The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

Oh...this is rich. A bunch of entitled assholes who make millions of dollars each year playing a game are whining about the unfairness of decreasing their obscene salaries because their employers aren't making nearly as much money. This is tone deafness on a grand scale.

MLBPA won't agree to league's revenue plan, labels it a 'salary cap'

"A system that restricts player pay based on revenues is a salary cap, period," MLBPA executive director Tony Clark told Rosenthal and Drellich. "This is not the first salary cap proposal our union has received. It probably won't be the last.

In my perfect baseball world, these guys would be kicked to the curb and the guys who are being paid the minimum (still a huge amount of money) would take over the league, and the holes would be filled by minor leaguers who would kill to get to the Bigs for even an abbreviated season and a smaller salary.
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Speaking of tone deafness...

In response to a comment about the murder of a jogger/burglar in Georgia, I said:

I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job.

I was promptly accused of virtue signaling and casting aspersions on Southerners as racists.

Yes...I claim the mantle of virtue here, and wear it proudly. We are a nation of laws, and vigilantism does not belong in America. As for the imagined suggestion of racism? I am not a mind reader...I have no idea whether racial animus had anything to do with this killing, and nobody else does either. But, a reflexive defense of murderers because they are White and the victim is Black is just as bad as screaming racism every time a Black man is killed.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 Morning, monkey!

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 12, 2020 11:01 AM (isv/S)

2 nd or rd

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 12, 2020 11:01 AM (7joQO)

3 The others have been summoned.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 12, 2020 11:01 AM (isv/S)

4 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

5 Wow. Coulda been first. Nothing worse than reading down to the bottom and seeing no comments.

I am a failure.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at May 12, 2020 11:02 AM (H6oke)

6 hola CBD! agree on the "citizens arrest"

here's hoping for post number 11th

Posted by: WolfsCaptiveBlackOrchid at May 12, 2020 11:02 AM (j9HX3)

7 Top Ten.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2020 11:02 AM (axyOa)

8 "I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job."

amen

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at May 12, 2020 11:03 AM (tYDHt)

9 Argle boopy humpo glap

Posted by: WIConservative at May 12, 2020 11:03 AM (jjPW1)

10 wow way too early!

the MLBPA is generally a decent players union. they'll come around (they have to!)

Posted by: WolfsCaptiveBlackOrchid at May 12, 2020 11:03 AM (j9HX3)

11 yeah, because the police are going to come arrest some guy just for burglary right now. They're too busy arresting moms for letting their kids play outside.

So, if you've got a serial burglar hitting your neighborhood, just let the fucker do it. I hear you! Good idea!

Posted by: GMan at May 12, 2020 11:04 AM (sxq57)

12
OMG that sorry little Eddie Munster lookin' bitch Paul Ryan posts here?

I guess we're famous.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2020 11:04 AM (5jaxN)

13 I'd just avoid any comment on the Georgia shooting matter.

You'll be dragged into the muddy shit no matter what you say.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 12, 2020 11:04 AM (QLUrq)

14 New CNN poll has Trump's approval at 45, but people hate his handling of the Virus issue and those numbers are just getting worse

Really, who is "people?"

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:05 AM (nRWPy)

15 How do you prove hate crime?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 11:05 AM (+fPHo)

16 "A system that restricts player pay based on revenues is a salary cap, period,"

So...

A system that restricts a worker's pay based on sales revenue is a salary cap, period.

Okay

So...

Welcome to America pal.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2020 11:05 AM (axyOa)

17 Time to get going
https://youtu.be/6hJ9tHvP55g

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 12, 2020 11:05 AM (W4zGS)

18 Ah, Besbol. Used to be a game played in the summer, si?

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 11:05 AM (bCLt0)

19 That disturbing video from Georgia looked more like a lynching than anything else. I almost think there might have been a previous encounter between these individuals.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 12, 2020 11:05 AM (7joQO)

20 "I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job."

I've made the same sentiment elsewhere and gotten pretty much the same response. It's sad really to see people locked into ideological stances instead of thinking about the logical application of the law.

Posted by: SamVonSam at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (Oyenf)

21 Man it's early for a troll sighting...#9

Posted by: USMC 8541 at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (xGZ+b)

22 Hmm, vigilantism has a long and storied history in America. We could use more of it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (d1uFV)

23 I heard some sports yakker say that one of the collateral victims of this Plandemic shitshow will be MiLB. Say it ain't so!

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (FpybW)

24 13 I'd just avoid any comment on the Georgia shooting matter.

You'll be dragged into the muddy shit no matter what you say.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 12, 2020 11:04 AM (QLUrq)

A prudent course of non-action.

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (bCLt0)

25 I could have seen every Tex Ranger games for about 10 years as my wife had office right where Bush offices was in centerfield.

I saw 2 games.

I could NOT care less!

Posted by: rhennigantx dont californicate my TEXAS at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (JFO2v)

26 OMG that sorry little Eddie Munster lookin' bitch Paul Ryan posts here?

I guess we're famous.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2020 11:04 AM (5jaxN)

Whaaaaa...

YD, I missed that revelation. When was this announced?

I'm still waiting for some intrepid Moron to link the Treacher meltdown.

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (gD6Ka)

27 LOL!! fixed

Posted by: USMC 8541 at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (NmR1a)

28 14 New CNN poll has Trump's approval at 45, but people hate his handling of the Virus issue and those numbers are just getting worse

Really, who is "people?"
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:05 AM (nRWPy)

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I'm still convinced that polls 7 months out from an election are 100% predictive and never use shoddy methodology or samples.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (LvTSG)

29 Corgi puppy ate the baseboard corner this morning. No, I'm not getting her. She's in the fucking crate.

My fault entirely. She should be wearing a short leash at all times, and never out of my sight.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (+fPHo)

30 22 Hmm, vigilantism has a long and storied history in America. We could use more of it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (d1uFV)

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*growls in agreement*
-Batman

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (LvTSG)

31 It's sad really to see people locked into ideological stances instead of thinking about the logical application of the law.

I'll think about the logical application of the law when the law is actually being applied.

Posted by: GMan at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (sxq57)

32 We are a nation of laws.

lol

Posted by: Peter Strzok at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (mjJ4C)

33 Treachervisca douche

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (nRWPy)

34 15 How do you prove hate crime?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 11:05 AM (+fPHo)

Last time I look up DoInJ the hate crime laws were used against minorities more than white people.

Posted by: rhennigantx dont californicate my TEXAS at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (JFO2v)

35 23 I heard some sports yakker say that one of the collateral victims of this Plandemic shitshow will be MiLB. Say it ain't so!
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (FpybW)

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They were already talking about shuttering a few dozen teams before this whole stupid stuff.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (LvTSG)

36 Never wrestle with a shotgun.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (7iLKU)

37 @jeffsessions
Today, I am setting the record straight on recusal.
Read my open letter to the people of Alabama.

Here's a link:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybgbz78p

Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (sGotD)

38 We are a nation of laws.

lol

Posted by: Hilary Clinton at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (mjJ4C)

39 I'll think about the logical application of the law when the law is actually being applied.

Posted by: GMan at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (sxq57)

So you approve of capital punishment for the unproven charge of burglary?

Good to know...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (dLLD6)

40 I would never attempt a citizen's arrest
I don't know the laws pertaining to such and would likely end up in jail
call 911 and leave it to trained professionals

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (iTXRQ)

41 Let us NOT forget one of the shooters was a former cop who obviously was VERY familiar with the laws of GA.

His son, not so much, but after the Black guy tired to take the former cops shotgun, the son, responded. AKA, if the guy was innocent, why did he first try to take the gun and second run?

Posted by: Kemp at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (nz8WK)

42 Good show Mindful Webworker!

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (FpybW)

43 It's a shitty world where a lot of shitty things happen and a lot of shitty people demand everyone get outraged over every shitty outrage.
And when they move on to the next shitty outage, it's still a shitty world only more people are covered in shit.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (QLUrq)

44 I was promptly accused of virtue signaling and casting aspersions on Southerners as racists.

I neither know nor care whether race was a component in this event. I believe that Tom Servo, IIRC, spelled out that this was felony murder and why. At no point in that explanation was the race of any involved party taken into account.

While I cannot say, truthfully at least, that I've read every post on this site, I don't recall CBD ever raising the issue of race in this instance.

Race is not relevant. Some people chased down and killed someone else. The end.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (isv/S)

45 If they thought he was stealing, call the cops. Be done with it. They had him on camera already.

The mistake made was chasing him. The bigger mistake was chasing him with a loaded weapon. The even bigger mistake was getting out of the truck.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (9oAtN)

46 I'm still convinced that polls 7 months out from an election are 100% predictive and never use shoddy methodology or samples.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM

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Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (axyOa)

47 One wonders why the MLB contracts do not have a Acts of God clause in them.. the owners are going to have to pay these guys for sitting on their asses for months?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (CjFDo)

48 Treacher...

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (nRWPy)

What did he say?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (dLLD6)

49 The MLBPA should be very careful.

I am a huge baseball fan. Seriously. Last year, I watched nearly every Rockies game, followed the stats, etc. - the whole magilla.

And over the past several years, I have seen the MLB *finally* coming out from under the storm clouds of the 1995 strike. Players are loosened up. They're having fun. They're making the game good to watch again.

And it took 20 years to get there. After the strike, the opinion seems to have been generally, "you big babies turfed a season to become slightly richer. You won. Now serious up." So they did. They got serious and brittle and stodgy. The 1998 home run chase helped, until it came out that most or all of them were cheating which was another setback.

It took not only for all of those guys to be out of the league, but for the guys who came up in the aftermath to be out of the league. It took a generation for baseball to recover.

With the likelihood of not allowing fans into the ballpark and reduced capacity for possibly a long time, the problems of streaming games without a cable subscription and the recent cheating scandal with the Astros where no players were punished, they're on the brink. A strike now will be at least as bad as the strike in 1995 was. It could be fatal. The MLBPA needs to pick its battles. This is not the battle. Even if it is the battle, this is definitely the wrong time to engage in it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (hYcqw)

50 Yeah, I would say chasing anyone down the street and shooting them is immoral as well as illegal. One exception: If I had just witnessed them killing an innocent in cold blood, I would chase them down and kill them If I could.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (o2MD2)

51 Justice Thomas asks the House attorney "When was the first subpoena ever issued by Congress against a president?"

He didn't know.

Not good lawyering.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (gAXBD)

52
So you approve of capital punishment for the unproven charge of burglary?

Good to know...

Well, unproven except for the video of him going into a home and running back out.

Oh, and his capital punishment? Dumbass wrestled for the shotgun and shot himself. Played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

Again, there's *video* of this.

Posted by: GMan at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (sxq57)

53 Wow. Coulda been first. Nothing worse than reading down to the bottom and seeing no comments.

Rookie mistake.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (isv/S)

54 House Attrny at SCOTUS: 4th Amendment? Never heard of it.

Posted by: WisRich at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (G0vdT)

55 it will be interesting to see what happens to "professional sports" when all this mellows out.

most of the individual franchises will not be able to make payroll if they can't sell tickets.

stadiums will not be allowed to be at full capacity for at least a couple of years.

tickets are already obscenely expensive and cost prohibitive to most Americans.

the NFL has mostly been on free tv stations, are they going to start charging for access or go to PPV?

players' salaries will HAVE TO BE CHOPPED.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (d7Ww2)

56 RE the Georgia shooting: Don't try to apprehend a fleeing criminal. Get a good description and call the cops.

Posted by: Guzalot at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (Rz36l)

57 Looks like Gorsuch will be siding with the liberals on the Trump tax return issue.

He's even mentioning Kagan in his questioning.

Posted by: NicePutt at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (Vy9KV)

58 If the serial burglar in Georgia was serially burgling houses, the guys could have laid in wait, and shot him in the act of breaking in. Then they would have been in the legal right.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (LZcDP)

59 I'd just avoid any comment on the Georgia shooting matter.

You'll be dragged into the muddy shit no matter what you say.

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Media is asshoe!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (+y/Ru)

60 A system that restricts player pay based on revenues is a salary cap, period

Unless your team is owned by the Federal Reserve, that system is also called the real world.

Posted by: t-bird at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (Lt1JN)

61 hiya

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (arJlL)

62 Bernie up - first statement spilling out of his bumbling mouth is TDS-related.

Get a life, you addle-brained dumba**

Posted by: Marybeth at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (4pK1/)

63 51 Justice Thomas asks the House attorney "When was the first subpoena ever issued by Congress against a president?"

He didn't know.

Not good lawyering.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (gAXBD)

54 House Attrny at SCOTUS: 4th Amendment? Never heard of it.
Posted by: WisRich at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (G0vdT)

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These don't seem to be very good lawyers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (LvTSG)

64 It's a shitty world where a lot of shitty things happen and a lot of shitty people demand everyone get outraged over every shitty outrage.
And when they move on to the next shitty outage, it's still a shitty world only more people are covered in shit.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM

Thus we see why they went for all the TP first.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2020 11:10 AM (axyOa)

65 If you are called out by a neighbor to take up arms, ride out in pursuit of a suspect, and draw down on him, you're in an unauthorized posse. That's vigilantism.
And if you gun down a man suspected of burglary or trespassing or loitering, as a result of your pursuit, that's automatic manslaughter, since we don't have DeputyFife-icide on the lawbooks yet.

Posted by: Downcast at May 12, 2020 11:11 AM (kKmoE)

66 They'll say he was a suspected thief, that they wanted to talk to them, that he ran away, one of us confronted him with a weapon, he charged, there was a struggle, shots fired.

Where's the hate? What does "hate crime" really mean?

Adrenaline-fueled mayhem maybe, but hate was what caused the murder? Not sure you can convince me, because you cannot define it.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 11:11 AM (+fPHo)

67 New CNN poll has Trump's approval at 45, but people hate his handling of the Virus issue and those numbers are just getting worse

Really, who is "people?"
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:05 AM (nRWPy)

Covid-19 and the fall out from it is the biggest story in the country and has been for weeks, and if that many people thought Trump was doing a poor job of handling it, i think his overall number would be LOWER than 45.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 12, 2020 11:12 AM (CqE5x)

68 His son, not so much, but after the Black guy tired to take the former cops shotgun, the son, responded. AKA, if the guy was innocent, why did he first try to take the gun and second run?

Posted by: Kemp at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (nz8WK)

The former cop should've known better than to go after the victim with a shotgun in the first place.

Both these guys are gonna spend a lot of time in PMITAP.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 12, 2020 11:12 AM (7joQO)

69 We are a nation of lawns.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 12, 2020 11:12 AM (E+OcO)

70 I would never attempt a citizen's arrest
I don't know the laws pertaining to such and would likely end up in jail call 911 and leave it to trained professionals

Please leave a message!

Posted by: The Cowards of Broward County at May 12, 2020 11:12 AM (/2aWP)

71 I'm still waiting for some intrepid Moron to link the Treacher meltdown."

A meltdown? Over what?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Get the Flu Manchu Blues at the Outrage Outlet! at May 12, 2020 11:12 AM (0QYMt)

72 35. Unbelievable. Minor league ball is way more accessible to the common xim/xer, and we get to take a look at tomorrow's stars in development.

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:13 AM (FpybW)

73 AKA, if the guy was innocent, why did he first try to take the gun and second run?

Posted by: Kemp at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (nz8WK)

This is America...we don't have to explain ourselves to randos carrying shotguns.

If someone approached me with a shotgun and I thought I could defend myself by grappling with him, I would try. Getting close is the only reasonable defense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:13 AM (dLLD6)

74 >One exception: If I had just witnessed them killing an innocent in cold blood, I would chase them down and kill them If I could.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

and in most cases you'd be charged with homicide

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 11:13 AM (iTXRQ)

75 72 35. Unbelievable. Minor league ball is way more accessible to the common xim/xer, and we get to take a look at tomorrow's stars in development.
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:13 AM (FpybW)

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Very believable.

Most minor league teams don't make much money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

76 Sam Jaffe and Eve Arden?

Posted by: FingerBang Joe at May 12, 2020 11:13 AM (gnl1m)

77
I'll say this - I generally don't care for vigilantism. And I really don't know enough about this case to comment on whether that's what was going here, or not. If it was, then haul 'em across the boards. Also, I don't define things like what Zimmerman did as "vigilantism," and I don't appreciate the really loose definition some have for vigilantism.

In any event, I'll make one exception on the vigilantism thing - corrupt lawmen. If the law can't be trusted, then I have no problem with people making it up on the fly, and if an angry mob were to beat someone like Comey to death with bats, I'd demand they immediately be deputized by the US Marshals, and issued golden bats, and released in the Hoover building with a SEAL team to escort on them on their rounds.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2020 11:13 AM (5jaxN)

78 >>>>>>>>>>>>Yes...I claim the mantle of virtue here, and wear it proudly. We are a
nation of laws, and vigilantism does not belong in America<<<<<<<<
Would it be ok to chase him down and hold him until the police arrive? I agree that shooting him if it wasn't in self defense was clearly wrong - but your comment implies we have no right to protect our homes or neighborhoods and that doing anything in the face of crime but lying down and taking it is somehow unAmerican and immoral.
Which is absurd.

Posted by: pantsomime at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (gd3bR)

79 72 35. Unbelievable. Minor league ball is way more accessible to the common xim/xer, and we get to take a look at tomorrow's stars in development.
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I can't think of one minor league ball player I ever watched that made it to the bigs.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (7iLKU)

80 Yes...I claim the mantle of virtue here, and wear it proudly. We are a nation of laws, and vigilantism does not belong in America. As for the imagined suggestion of racism? I am not a mind reader...I have no idea whether racial animus had anything to do with this killing, and nobody else does either. But, a reflexive defense of murderers because they are White and the victim is Black is just as bad as screaming racism every time a Black man is killed.
Posted by: CBD

And......you reached this level of cogency after eating Maple Syrup, right ?

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (arJlL)

81 Not completely sure, but it looks like this week's Terror Tuesday is

Fauci Testimony!

Otherwise I don't see one. They want us paying attention to that - so let's see what headline comes out of it.

Posted by: The Scorpion at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (uEbPt)

82 71 I'm still waiting for some intrepid Moron to link the Treacher meltdown."

A meltdown? Over what?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Get the Flu Manchu Blues at the Outrage Outlet! at May 12, 2020 11:12 AM (0QYMt)

Arthur Treacher had a meltdown??? Did not know he was still alive.

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (bCLt0)

83 79 72 35. Unbelievable. Minor league ball is way more accessible to the common xim/xer, and we get to take a look at tomorrow's stars in development.
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I can't think of one minor league ball player I ever watched that made it to the bigs.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (7iLKU)

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Aaron Judge started with the Charleston Riverdogs, my hometeam minor league team.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (LvTSG)

84 and in most cases you'd be charged with homicide

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 11:13 AM (iTXRQ)

Justifiable homicide.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (o2MD2)

85 Happy Rapey Tuesday!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 12, 2020 11:15 AM (NWiLs)

86 My husband's cousin was the victim of a home invasion in upstate SC, was kidnapped, held and tortured for a few days before he was shot execution style on Christmas Day a year ago, and his body dumped next to railroad tracks.

The murderers were five black men with lengthy criminal histories. One is actually out on bail, and at the hearing, cousin's sister was in attendance and the judge made her stand up so the murderers' family members could see her.

Not a peep in the national media. Not a word.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 11:15 AM (ptqGC)

87 >Please leave a message!
Posted by: The Cowards of Broward County

bravely spoken

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 11:15 AM (iTXRQ)

88 51 Justice Thomas asks the House attorney "When was the first subpoena ever issued by Congress against a president?"

He didn't know.

Not good lawyering.
osted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (gAXBD)

Speaking of Thomas....saw the guy that produced this talking about it on Ingraham's show last night.

Created Equal: Clarence Thomas in His Own Words.

PBS - Monday 5/18 8:00 pm Central.

They showed several clips from it. Looked good.

Posted by: Tami at May 12, 2020 11:15 AM (cF8AT)

89 Posted by: GMan at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (sxq57)

Ah...you can act as judge, jury and executioner? Nice gig.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:15 AM (dLLD6)

90 Now do a post on the old white couple who were murdered in the cemetery by the black guy with a rifle.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:15 AM (0kCTs)

91 Beisbol been berry berry good to me....

Posted by: Chico Escuela at May 12, 2020 11:16 AM (PiwSw)

92 House Attrny at SCOTUS: 4th Amendment? Never heard of it.

Posted by: WisRich at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM (G0vdT)

I believe him.

Posted by: BignJames at May 12, 2020 11:16 AM (X/Pw5)

93 They showed several clips from it. Looked good.

Posted by: Tami at May 12, 2020 11:15 AM (cF8AT)
+++++++++++++++
I saw it in theaters during its limited release in the Before Times.

It was good. I really like Thomas and I have never heard him talk so much. It does have a similar problem that many narrative documentaries do: it might as well be a book on tape.

But that is an aesthetic gripe and nothing more. It is well worth watching.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:16 AM (hYcqw)

94 Treacher went Karen.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:16 AM (nRWPy)

95 Justice Alito is roasting Douglas Letter, U.S. House of Representatives General Counsel. He is so unprepared.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 12, 2020 11:16 AM (gAXBD)

96 12
OMG that sorry little Eddie Munster lookin' bitch Paul Ryan posts here?

Is this true? Has Raimundo been unmasked?

Posted by: Downcast at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (kKmoE)

97 Things for me never to comment on in the blogosphere : ME killing someone for any reason.

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (bCLt0)

98 Corgi puppy ate the baseboard corner this morning. No, I'm not getting her. She's in the fucking crate.

My fault entirely. She should be wearing a short leash at all times, and never out of my sight.

Posted by: Les Kinetic.....
we had a beagle like that once..
started eating the drywall right off the wall.. and he was very aggressive..

finally ended up taking him to a dog behaviorist.. she found the beagle had no submission reflex.. she advised getting rid of him.. that he would best be out on a farm or something.. not with a family..
cute pup.. but not a good house pet.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (CjFDo)

99 And......you reached this level of cogency after eating Maple Syrup, right ?

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (arJlL)

I use maple syrup on my nipples when I am sunbathing in the nude.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (dLLD6)

100 "We are a nation of laws"

LOLGF

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (Ei0/7)

101 Justice Alito is roasting Douglas Letter, U.S. House of Representatives General Counsel. He is so unprepared.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 12, 2020 11:16 AM (gAXBD)

Funny. You'd expect him to be letter-perfect.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (LZcDP)

102 90 Now do a post on the old white couple who were murdered in the cemetery by the black guy with a rifle.
------------------------
Yep. Stories that never get told. I'm kind of shit out of sympathy for feral youts.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (7iLKU)

103 If law enforcement or prosecutor says somebody violated the law then they are guilty. This is known.

/just practicing up. Got my jury summons in the mail last week.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (1g7ch)

104 When it comes to sports I'm almost entirely on the side of the team owners. There was a time when players were underpaid (back when they had to get winter jobs to feed their families like the 1950s and before) but fog God's sake, league minimum these days is enough to live on the rest of your life if you're frugal.

It is utterly irrelevant how much money the teams or the owners make. If they are getting rich, good for them, that's why they built the team. All that matters is if the employees are being paid what they are worth, and when you see the average MLB contract is nearly 4.5 million dollars a year* I would suggest they are getting damned well enough money to play a game 8 months out of the year.

*source https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9s3xjmf

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:18 AM (KZzsI)

105 @jeffsessions
You got rolled.

LOLGFY

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 12, 2020 11:18 AM (88+cf)

106 I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job.

This seems self evident, but what do I know.

A recent little factoid did come out though -- The father is a retired cop, which is likely why the local prosecutor didn't charge the pair to start with.

It took community protests and press coverage to bring the pressure to get these guys charged with murder. I applaud this. Now they will have their day in court, something their victim did not get a chance at.

But, and there is always a but, there is now 'pressure' to have them additionally charged with a hate crime. On what basis?

I'd kinda like to know that.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 12, 2020 11:18 AM (Z4rgH)

107 We are a nation of lawns.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 12, 2020 11:12 AM (E+OcO)

The basis of all conflict.

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at May 12, 2020 11:18 AM (uhPTO)

108 at the hearing, cousin's sister was in attendance and the judge made her stand up so the murderers' family members could see her.

What the fuck was this about? What possible legal necessity did that satisfy?

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 12, 2020 11:18 AM (y7DUB)

109

The mayor of Elmurst IL (it's just west of Chicago and south of O'Hare Airport) said that Jabba the Pritzker's plan is unrealistic and Elmurst and DuPage county shouldn't have been lumped in with Chicago. He's saying Fatso must revise his plan. Don't hold your breath.

The mayor of Quincy IL has said they don't have many cases at all and they have to start reopening. Fatso said yesterday that the Illinois peak NOW won't happened until mid June based on SCIENCE! He'll never reopen so cities and towns will have to go it alone

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 11:18 AM (96SSR)

110 I'm not incredibly sympathetic to the burglar. When I was a toddler, there were two teenage boys in the neighborhood who were regularly and routinely breaking into homes and garages and stealing small items. It was just outside city limits and the sheriff didn't really care because teenagers and burglary is a "minor" offense (and, if I remember, their dad was an LEO at one of the local police forces, but I could be wrong). Until they broken into one of the homes and brutally raped the woman who lived there. Again, the sheriff didn't care because he claimed there wasn't enough evidence that they had done it, so the men in my neighborhood (my dad included) got together and went (armed, IIRC my dad's stories) and said if they didn't leave, then the boys were just going to go missing one day. So the family packed up and left.

Serial criminals are all potentially violent and are definitely evil. I wouldn't be losing any sleep over what those guys did, whether the perp was black or white (though if he were white, none of us would be hearing about this - because who honestly cares what happens to a serial criminal?).

Posted by: sunny-dee at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (Z2HD7)

111 Chasing and shooting anybody felon or not is not a good idea. Leads to murder charges. Rightfully so.

Posted by: USNtakim at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (0OmEj)

112 Yes...I claim the mantle of virtue here, and wear it proudly. We are a
nation of laws, and vigilantism does not belong in America.
---

Justice is more important than laws.

You can preen about laws sometime when the state isn't emptying out prisons because it values the lives of criminals above ours.

Posted by: Methos at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (kOpft)

113 Do black males think they are invincible? Evidence suggests they do.

This is a prime example of the police/laws protecting the criminals. The citizens are fed up. That is bad for criminals. Tough shit.

Posted by: nip at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (Izot6)

114 "We are a nation of laws"

and blow jobs!

LOL

Posted by: Lisa Page at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (Ei0/7)

115 I use maple syrup on my nipples when I am sunbathing in the nude.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (dLLD6)

Sounds like a good way to get bug bites.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (Ez6QX)

116 Now do a post on the old white couple who were murdered in the cemetery by the black guy with a rifle.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:15 AM (0kCTs)

Who is talking race? Not I.

As Ace has said many times...this is not a forum for his racist friends...because they don't exist.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (dLLD6)

117 99 And......you reached this level of cogency after eating Maple Syrup, right ?

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2020 11:14 AM (arJlL)

I use maple syrup on my nipples when I am sunbathing in the nude.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (dLLD6)

Does it caramelize?

Posted by: Tami at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (cF8AT)

118 But, a reflexive defense of murderers because they are White and the victim is Black is just as bad as screaming racism every time a Black man is killed.

One of the great achievements of the media is to convince most of the public that young black men are at significant risk of being killed by white people, particularly the cops.

In reality, of course, the overwhelming risk to young black men comes from other young black men.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (I2/tG)

119
Brooke Singman @BrookeSingman
4h
NEW: Sources confirm to Fox News that acting Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell has declassified the names of Obama officials behind the #Unmasking of #MichaelFlynn

Sources say documents related to that process are expected to be released soon

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (Lrula)

120 Justice Alito is roasting Douglas Letter, U.S. House of Representatives General Counsel. He is so unprepared.

Obama's legal team was always awful and incompetent as well. I think these guys are political creatures promoted for their zealotry rather than ability.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (KZzsI)

121 Here's the thing about the Georgia jogger / burgler murder.

It's a local crime story. PERIOD. It has no bearing on anything, anywhere, except the people involved and local law enforcement.

Anything else is a bunch of horseshit. I don't give a damn if you think it was justified, not justified, racist, not racist - you are absolutely 100% playing into the left's hand by addressing it - AT ALL. Unless you live next door, your opinion is 100% IRRELEVANT.

Posted by: deadrody at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (V9901)

122 99. No way CBD, that attracts the yellowjackets, maybe even murder hornets!

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:20 AM (FpybW)

123 Yeah, I would say chasing anyone down the street and
shooting them is immoral as well as illegal. One exception: If I had
just witnessed them killing an innocent in cold blood, I would chase
them down and kill them If I could.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2020 11:09 AM

---

The law allows you to do that in most States. The law in Georgia allowed those two idiots to do exactly what they did too, but they did not have to shoot the guy.

That is why they are going to do time for murder or negligent homicide. They did not fear for their lives and that is the most important element in a self defense case.

Reminds me of the guy who came into the gun range/store open carrying a .45 with five extra magazines on his belt. The owner looked at the guy and told him the Prosecutor will love to get him in on a shooting charge, he could prove that he went looking for a chance to shoot.

And that's what these guys did, they went looking for a shoot.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 11:20 AM (JUOKG)

124 at the hearing, cousin's sister was in attendance
and the judge made her stand up so the murderers' family members could
see her.

What the fuck was this about? What possible legal necessity did that satisfy?

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 12, 2020 11:18 AM (y7DUB)

My husband called her and asked her that very question. She has no idea why, but is afraid now because the vicious thugs' families know her name and where she lives now. The one released on bail is wearing an ankle bracelet.

Insanity.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 11:20 AM (ptqGC)

125 116 Now do a post on the old white couple who were murdered in the cemetery by the black guy with a rifle.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:15 AM (0kCTs)

Who is talking race? Not I.

As Ace has said many times...this is not a forum for his racist friends...because they don't exist.

I think you are missing my point.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:20 AM (0kCTs)

126 >Things for me never to comment on in the blogosphere : ME killing someone for any reason.
Posted by: tubal

agreed
anyone with a carry permit- anyone who owns a gun- better know the laws from front to back

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 11:20 AM (iTXRQ)

127 I saw it in theaters during its limited release in the Before Times.

It was good. I really like Thomas and I have never heard him talk so much. It does have a similar problem that many narrative documentaries do: it might as well be a book on tape.

But that is an aesthetic gripe and nothing more. It is well worth watching.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:16 AM (hYcqw)

Oh, didn't know it had been shown in theaters.

'Before Times' LOL!

Posted by: Tami at May 12, 2020 11:20 AM (cF8AT)

128 The couple that was murdered while visiting the cemetery in Bear is a pretty big story around here...

just awful

FYI the release of prisoners around here is becoming problematic

the other problem is - the people I know who live in Center City Philly or in Wilmington are learning what it's like to live in a city when the "hated yuppie" suburbanites aren't coming in to go to work or to dinner or whatever.

it's terrifying

apparently the homeless have essentially taken over Center City

crime is rampant

they miss us, huh? well guess what. we're not coming back. I'll not forget the nasty social media posts about how NICE it was not to have us around during this. now they're crying.

tough.

Posted by: WolfsCaptiveBlackOrchid at May 12, 2020 11:20 AM (j9HX3)

129 My son has a dog who wont respond to simple commands. He has to literally catch him to put a leash on him.

My dogs will go get the leash if told (and other times just for a hint).

I think dogs are like people. Many are just dumb.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:21 AM (nRWPy)

130 summons in the kitchen with Dinah
strummin' on her ole banjo.

Posted by: banned back together at May 12, 2020 11:21 AM (csYnw)

131 I use maple syrup on my nipples when I am sunbathing in the nude.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

If you were trying to make me sorry that I asked that, you succeeded ........BIGLY !

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2020 11:21 AM (arJlL)

132 Interracial crime skews 90-10 in the black/white direction, yet CBD needs to jump on the media bandwagon in a shooting from February!

Trained seal much?

Posted by: FingerBang Joe at May 12, 2020 11:21 AM (gnl1m)

133 I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job.

Right. He was clearly up to no good, but based on what we know right now, that doesn't make what was done to him okay. And I don't care if 9000 examples of white people being evilly killed by blacks are ignored by the press to focus on this one story, that doesn't change the information we now have or make what happened just.

It just shows how crappy the news organizations are. And they aren't new at this. It used to be that 9000 black people could be cruelly done and the one white person who was killed by a black guy got all the press. All that's happened is they flipped the bigotry.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:22 AM (KZzsI)

134 Well said Joe Mannix.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 12, 2020 11:22 AM (dUJdY)

135
Ah...you can act as judge, jury and executioner? Nice gig.

Nice strawman.

now comment on how the douche was wrestling for a shotgun.

Because that's what happened. You can argue that they shouldn't have tried to detain him. You can argue that they shouldn't have had the gun in the first place (so you're all for more progressive gun control laws, eh?) or any number of other things. But try to stick with what I'm actually arguing.

You know, that if the police don't enforce laws against things like "burglary" because they're too busy enforcing unconstitutional bullshit and arresting mom's in parks, then expect to see more people trying to protect their neighborhoods.

It's a natural outcome of the whole "we aren't going to arrest or prosecute, or even respond to these types of calls."

Posted by: Gman at May 12, 2020 11:22 AM (GfWuY)

136 "We are a nation of laws"

Well, that right there shows you're too naive to be let out without a keeper.

Posted by: SDN at May 12, 2020 11:22 AM (K9d/B)

137 Now do a post on the old white couple who were murdered in the cemetery by the black guy with a rifle.

So that makes it OK to go around shooting random black people?

Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2020 11:22 AM (ZGrMX)

138 use maple syrup on my nipples when I am sunbathing in the nude.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:17 AM (dLLD6)

*Golf clap*

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 12, 2020 11:22 AM (7joQO)

139 Some people just need killin', no matter what their color.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:22 AM (0kCTs)

140 @jeffsessions
Today, I am setting the record straight on recusal.
Read my open letter to the people of Alabama.

Here's a link:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybgbz78p
Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (sGotD)

Setting the record straight... that's cute.

Sorta like how Bill Clinton set the record straight about having cigar relations with that woman, Mizz Looinski.

Or Christine O'Donnell set the record straight on her status as a witch.

The science is settled, Jeffy. You were a pawn. You got prawned. They dipped you in butter and served you on Taco Tuesday. While I'm sure you'd be fine, if they gave you your sinecure back, you have the stank of recusal all over your carcass.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2020 11:23 AM (hku12)

141

MURDER HORNETS ? where ??

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 11:23 AM (zr5Kq)

142 Yeah, I'm staying way away from that GA case.

From what I can tell there are no smart people involved.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:23 AM (nRWPy)

143 137 Now do a post on the old white couple who were murdered in the cemetery by the black guy with a rifle.

So that makes it OK to go around shooting random black people?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't random. No need to be hystronic.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:23 AM (0kCTs)

144 The first prosecutor gave several reasons why he saw no reason to charge the shooter(s). "Vigilantism" is "without legal authority" (like when our founders rebelled against the throne) ... so these men were not out of line.

I said I felt no need to virtue signal (never accused anyone else here of that), because obviously the media has found their news cycle story ... "black man hunted down like a rabid dog and murdered" ... just like Trayvon.

Servo said (repeatedly) that Georgia law makes it open/shut murder ... not true according to the prosecutor's statement. (three prosecutors have now recused apparently, they are on four, waiting for one that will prosecute I guess ... because ... racial element I assume). They legally followed a suspect, who attacked the man with the gun and tried to take it. The assault was by the "jogger".

And more video from inside the under construction home shows that "jogger" in that home several times, sometimes at night. The racial element is imposed by the media, because all whites, especially in Georgia, are KKK. And Guns are Bad ... so a double whammy for the media.

"If only he had stayed in his car" was what was the ninnies said of neighborhood watch guy Zimmerman ... also assaulted and almost killed before he shot. Trayvon also had a history/record, but became a martyr.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 11:23 AM (Cus5s)

145 95 Justice Alito is roasting Douglas Letter, U.S. House of Representatives General Counsel. He is so unprepared.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 12, 2020 11:16 AM (gAXBD)

Well, that just makes me all happy inside

Posted by: Marybeth at May 12, 2020 11:23 AM (4pK1/)

146 >>> Unbelievable. Minor league ball is way more accessible to the common xim/xer, and we get to take a look at tomorrow's stars in development.
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020

=====

Not to mention the games are quicker, as you don't have the additional 3 minutes between each half inning for TV commercial breaks.

Posted by: Turn Two at May 12, 2020 11:23 AM (rKsgt)

147 I think Trump has Thomas and Alito. The Lib's are unified. The rest I can't tell.

Posted by: WisRich at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (G0vdT)

148 use maple syrup on my nipples when I am sunbathing in the nude.

Attracts Murder Hornets and Don Lemon.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (nRWPy)

149 From what I can tell there are no smart people involved.

Reminds me of the stupid Zimmerman/Trayvon case. Knuckleheads all around.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (KZzsI)

150 A couple of years ago, I took a trip to the DR and it was booked through a travel agent (it was a semi-group thing). She sends me E-Mails to drum up business ever since. Now she is offering "virtual tours" of vacation destinations for when things open back up.

I do envy those in her industry. It must be absolutely brutal.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (hYcqw)

151 They should have slapped hot iron on the wound.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (7iLKU)

152 146 >>> Unbelievable. Minor league ball is way more accessible to the common xim/xer, and we get to take a look at tomorrow's stars in development.
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020

=====

Not to mention the games are quicker, as you don't have the additional 3 minutes between each half inning for TV commercial breaks.
Posted by: Turn Two at May 12, 2020 11:23 AM (rKsgt)

==========

Maybe more minor league teams could survive if they sold ad time between innings.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (LvTSG)

153 >>Arthur Treacher had a meltdown??? Did not know he was still alive.

Its been a slow burn since he fell out with Long John Silver.

Posted by: Floyd of Rosedale at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (O6DoG)

154 Al Sharpton is now involved in the GA case, and Leonard Pitts has written a nasty racist screed about white people. Again.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (ptqGC)

155 I can't even drink an OJ outdoors without being 'visited' by yellowjackets. One landed on my hand the other day when I was washing the porch rails. I realized it was the orange oil based cleaner I was using.

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (FpybW)

156 From what I can tell there are no smart people involved.

I've never seen a case before where everyone involved, including the people filming it, were this dumb.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (ZGrMX)

157 Trained seal much?

Posted by: FingerBang Joe at May 12, 2020 11:21 AM (gnl1m)

Aren't you a dumb one. Try to read for comprehension a little more, and not just to stoke your idiotic preconceived notions.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (dLLD6)

158 We are a nation of laws.
===
Oh I laughed and laughed at that.
Tip your waiter and come back soon.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (pw+jk)

159 ...I was promptly accused of virtue signaling and casting aspersions on Southerners as racists...

I'm not saying Southerners are racists, but following black people around with trucks and confronting them with shotguns is not something you see a lot of in other parts of the country.

Now, this is an outlier, no doubt. Most folks don't do this sort of thing. But an awful lot of people tolerate it when other people do this sort of thing. Rednecks have their uses, I guess.

This sort of nonsense should be condemned whenever it happens, whether it results in a dead person or not. If you have people doing "neighborhood watch" in your neighborhood, and they are racist in how they go about their "job", you have a problem, and you should probably do something about that.

Posted by: Gridlock at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (rBYnq)

160 His son, not so much, but after the Black guy tired to take the former cops shotgun, the son, responded. AKA, if the guy was innocent, why did he first try to take the gun and second run?
Posted by: Kemp at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM

If I am an innocent jogger and two guys pull guns on me, I am going to try to grab one of the guns because that is tactically better than trying to outrun bullets from two guns. The one I am grappling with can't shoot me, and the other one can't shoot because he might hit his partner.

Posted by: Chuck C at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (r6GXX)

161 Murder has not been established. It's for a jury to decide.
After the deaths of Saint Trayvon and Choirboy Michael, half of my friends were screaming that we should lynch the supposed perps right away, since everyone knew they were guilty and trials were superfluous. But the juries looked at all the evidence, not just slanted news reports, and found otherwise. Saint Trayvon was not so saintly and Choirboy Michael couldn't carry a tune.

Always wait on the evidence unless there is imminent and indisputable danger to individuals' lives or to the nation.

Posted by: A Fair Witness at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (Pnd/Z)

162 don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job. >>>>>

But that's not what happened. That's where I have an issue on any advocacy argument. The need to exaggerate or purposely leave out facts.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (2DOZq)

163 Brooke Singman @BrookeSingman
4h
NEW: Sources confirm to Fox News that acting Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell has declassified the names of Obama officials behind the #Unmasking of #MichaelFlynn

Sources say documents related to that process are expected to be released soon
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (

I hope theyre delivered in a satchel. Or maybe in a dossier.

Who will be on the list? Will it be that awful Powers? Or the equally awful Rice? Both? ASo many options. ..

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (Ed8Zd)

164 It's a natural outcome of the whole "we aren't going to arrest or prosecute, or even respond to these types of calls."
Posted by: Gman at May 12, 2020 11:22 AM (GfWuY)

Seems like the whole of the rule of law is failing lately

When it finally goes, you'll see a return to mobs and clan/family/tribe/subculture feuds.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 12, 2020 11:26 AM (J+mig)

165 149 From what I can tell there are no smart people involved.

Reminds me of the stupid Zimmerman/Trayvon case. Knuckleheads all around.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:24 AM (KZzsI)

Yes, that was an absolute Clown Show.

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 11:26 AM (bCLt0)

166 If I caught RBG jogging in my neighborhood I would gun her down. Shotgun - shoot for she runs now.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:26 AM (7iLKU)

167
@jeffsessions
Today, I am setting the record straight on recusal.
Read my open letter to the people of Alabama.

==

@BenedictArnold
Today I am setting the record straight on my defection to the British side to the people of West Point, NY. Read my open manuscript.

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 11:26 AM (zr5Kq)

168 And with hearing about Fauci etc's connections to the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton's long history with China, it supports my theory that all of this was planned and timed to occur under The Hag.

Imagine this kind of lockdown but they have the presidency, the DOJ, the media, big tech, and the Supreme Court (Scalia?). No rallies for the Republican challenger in an election year, and the institution of mail-in balloting, guaranteeing Democrats in the White House for Life.

The Democrats would have got what they've been angling for since as far back as I can remember - the total destruction of the Western World - with us, the lead domino taking out national sovereignty and prosperity in every possible place.

I will never be convinced otherwise, because I was saying for years that people had "no idea" what they planned to do to us under Hillary. This fits that bill.

Obama had clearly only been the warmup act, and Kamala was going to finish us off from '24-'32.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 11:26 AM (uEbPt)

169 My biggest problem with the Georgia case is my assumption that every single word written by the media is a lie.
Seriously, I have a hard time getting past that.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM (Uu+Jp)

170 Posted by: Gridlock at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (rBYnq

You must be from Boston.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM (2DOZq)

171 71 I'm still waiting for some intrepid Moron to link the Treacher meltdown."

A meltdown? Over what?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Get the Flu Manchu Blues at the Outrage Outlet! at May 12, 2020 11:12 AM (0QYMt)

sorry Mikey, I had to step away for a moment.

The Art Thread had a few posts about Treacher having a meltdown on site. When and where was hard to determine, but the request was made asking for some intrepid member of the Horde to source the post.

I never saw a response to the request. I sure hope some one with good google fu can come up with the goods.

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM (gD6Ka)

172 I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job.

Is it possible to have a problem with being spoonfed a false Narrative, rather than looking to take a particular side in the incident in question?

My own particular view on this event is to question the story and details being used to incite public opinion. Like Trayvon being a 12-year-old waif shot 'execution-style,' as the immediate outrage-fodder in that story was.

I'm not pointing at any of the participants re: right or wrong, but at whoever is guiding the Narrative.

Posted by: Alternate Holy Grail Credits at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM (oVJmc)

173 We are a nation of laws, and vigilantism does not belong in America.
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An overstatement. Though this is not such a case, there are situations where the rule of law has broken down, and vigilantism is justified. E.g., the Korean shopkeepers in the LA riots. Again, I see no reason to believe this fits into that model.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM (ZbwAu)

174 If the jogger had been a 25 year old white man, conservacucks would have said "play stupid games win stupid prizes."

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM (p0Y1J)

175 Always wait on the evidence unless there is imminent and indisputable danger to individuals' lives or to the nation.
Posted by: A Fair Witness at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (Pnd/Z)

The first report on any incident on the mainstream media is often the furthest from the truth.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM (J+mig)

176 If I am an innocent jogger and two guys pull guns on me, I am going to try to grab one of the guns because that is tactically better than trying to outrun bullets from two guns. The one I am grappling with can't shoot me, and the other one can't shoot because he might hit his partner.
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Never Wrestle with a Shotgun. Stuff to remember.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM (7iLKU)

177 158 We are a nation of laws.
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Oh I laughed and laughed at that.
Tip your waiter and come back soon.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (pw+jk)

Well, not " laws", more like " guidelines".

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM (bCLt0)

178 Paraphrasing the Morning Report: resist government, they're not the ones responsible for your possessions/businesses.

Paraphrasing the Morning Rant: Shut up and do what we say, rednecks, nobody but the government is responsible for your possessions/businesses.

We're a nation of laws.*

*Unless someone is robbing your neighborhood. No one cares about laws against theft, apparently.

Posted by: brainy435 at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (UWVw1)

179 We are a nation of laws

lol

Posted by: Lois Lerner at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (DTX3h)

180 . Unbelievable. Minor league ball is way more accessible to the common xim/xer, and we get to take a look at tomorrow's stars in development.

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:13 AM

I remember when the Tacoma Tigers had all the greats...Canseco, Nettles, McGwire (when he was a skinny little kid). Baseball when it's fun.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (axyOa)

181 169 My biggest problem with the Georgia case is my assumption that every single word written by the media is a lie.
Seriously, I have a hard time getting past that.

I think the probability of your assumption is close to 1.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (0kCTs)

182 168 Obama had clearly only been the warmup act, and Kamala was going to finish us off from '24-'32.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 11:26 AM (uEbPt)

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Heh.

Kamala.

The woman couldn't secure the nomination with the establishment's early support, the media's early adulation, and a very long lead up time to the first primary.

Political justice would be the California Democratic Party getting rid of her as a senator out of sheer embarrassment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (LvTSG)

183
I went to see the Clarence Thomas movie in theaters. I recommend it. It's a rare chance to hear Thomas speak about his life and ideas on jurisprudence. Recommend every Moron make an exception, and tune into the State Media channel to see it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (5jaxN)

184 Brooke Singman @BrookeSingman
4h
NEW: Sources confirm to Fox News that acting Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell has declassified the names of Obama officials behind the #Unmasking of #MichaelFlynn

Ric Grennell is a hero.

As is PDT, who will have a field day with all of this.

Posted by: Marybeth at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (4pK1/)

185 Well, that right there shows you're too naive to be let out without a keeper.

Posted by: SDN at May 12, 2020 11:22 AM (K9d/B)

You are a grunting fool if you believe that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (dLLD6)

186 > I can't even drink an OJ outdoors without being 'visited' by yellowjackets.

I got stung on the tongue by a yellow jacket. sipping a coke at a football game- turned my head for a second, then raised the cup to my mouth
yellow jacket was on the rim of the cup
ouch

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (iTXRQ)

187 I went to see the Clarence Thomas movie in theaters. I recommend it. It's a rare chance to hear Thomas speak about his life and ideas on jurisprudence. Recommend every Moron make an exception, and tune into the State Media channel to see it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (5jaxN)
++++++++++
My fear is that they'll chop it up. I guess I'll find out. I set my DVR.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:29 AM (hYcqw)

188 Paraphrasing the Morning Rant: Shut up and do what
we say, rednecks, nobody but the government is responsible for your
possessions/businesses.

Posted by: brainy435 at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (UWVw1)

Reading isn't your strong suit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:29 AM (dLLD6)

189 Who here would not have shotgunned Capt America for flipping you the bird?

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (7iLKU)

190

Vigilantism bad?
Consider this situation, then--I have a wife and 2 beautiful daughters.

Some deranged person does something truly horrifying to ANY of them, and I discover who it was.

Don't believe the police would be troubled in resolving the matter.

Our family is prone to stomping our own snakes--it's been thus since forever.

So I'm not willing to entertain criticism for what I said, only to say that any such behavior toward me or mine is emphatically not allowed.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (KATBx)

191 Addendum: They also had the intelligence community to back them up, and any who ever pointed out the intelligence community was a partisan operation would have been labeled a "conspiracy theorist", what with all our Top Men.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (uEbPt)

192 "I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job."

-------------

Townhall had a great piece on this the other day.

https://townhall.com/columnists/scottmorefield/2020/
05/11/what-the-discussion-over-the-ahmaud-arbery-
shooting-should-actually-be-focused-on-n2568560

Posted by: red speck at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (gS3OW)

193
Oh...this is rich. A bunch of entitled assholes who make millions of dollars each year playing a game are whining about the unfairness of decreasing their obscene salaries because their employers aren't making nearly as much money.

Oh come on. Do you have ANY idea how much it costs to maintain a fleet of Rolls Royce Wraiths, one of each body color?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (EGyGV)

194 Regardless of your views on the actual incident, picking a fight with CBD on his own thread seems tactically unwise. *starts up popcorn machine*

Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (ZGrMX)

195 "but based on what we know right now, that doesn't make what was done to him okay."

no, what was done to him was "OK" because he tried to take the gun away from the men that legally stopped to question (?) him.

The prosecutor described the legal reasons, someone here linked it yesterday. I'm not clear on the exact language for them "stopping" him, but it was legal. What was unexpected was the the runner would assault the man with the gun ... immediately ... he was shot in the struggle, which he initiated.

Not deserving to be shot even if he was robbing every house has nothing to do with why he got shot.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (Cus5s)

196 White Hispanic George Zimmerman should never have followed Tray Tray. It's Zimmerman's fault that Tray Tray was forced to slam his head into the asphalt and was then executed in a racist rage.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (BRpqW)

197 A lot of unfamiliar nics showing up on this thread. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (LZcDP)

198 I am not a mind reader...I have no idea whether racial animus had anything to do with this killing, and nobody else does either. But, a reflexive defense of murderers because they are White and the victim is Black is just as bad as screaming racism every time a Black man is killed.
________

The first two sentences clash with the third. If you are not indeed a mind reader, how can you impute, to those defending the shooters, the motive that it is because they are white and the guy they shot was black?

I agree with the general import of the post. And I agree that in these cases we should be careful before jumping to conclusions. But that is all the more reason to avoid doing so oneself.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (ZbwAu)

199 The Art Thread had a few posts about Treacher having a meltdown on site. When and where was hard to determine, but the request was made asking for some intrepid member of the Horde to source the post.

I don't know what they are referring to but I remember when he crashed and burned on this blog when teased about an event in his past. He turned on everyone, attacking without pattern or logic, no matter what they said or who they were, like someone having a mental breakdown or a rabid dog.

It was sad to watch, because I like the guy and his former humorous work. I hope he's happier now because it was clearly not a good time for him back then.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:31 AM (KZzsI)

200 Oddly enough if Georgia was a "duty to retreat" state the dead guy would be ay fault because he escalated the situation. Running away would have been the legal recourse when faced against armed hostiles, even in your own home (in worst case times and states).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 12, 2020 11:31 AM (1g7ch)

201 Without ticket revenue, concession revenue, swindling cities into building fancy sports venues and the upper crust perks, like sky boxes, to pass around to business associates

why would anybody want to own a sorts franchise ?

I suspect we will see a spate of ownership change in the bigs

Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 11:31 AM (tQbpU)

202 197 A lot of unfamiliar nics showing up on this thread. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (LZcDP)

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Yeah...

Who is this "CharlieBrown'sDildo"?

I never heard of 'im.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:32 AM (LvTSG)

203 Casey (D-Nazi Pennsylvania) got the response from Fauci he wanted.

"The states reopening are not following CDC guidelines and we will slip into an unrecoverable death spiral. And our economies will never ever recover, either."

I'm paraphrasing, but that is the point of the fucking Dems today with the Fauci circus. Keep it all closed through the election, and to have a "safe" election, we must MUST vote by mail.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 11:32 AM (+fPHo)

204 @ChadPergram

Fauci: "There's no guarantee that a vaccine is going to be effective

WTF does this guy want then?! JHC...

Posted by: Tami at May 12, 2020 11:32 AM (cF8AT)

205 Professional athletes AND a union!

It's like a mythical beast with 2 assholes!

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 11:32 AM (fJ/iF)

206 Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

He most definitely has an agenda and Trump needs to dump this guy.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 11:32 AM (JUOKG)

207 Posted by: Eeyore at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (ZbwAu)

Valid point. And I infer it because I made no mention of race, but my interlocutors make constant mention of it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (dLLD6)

208 so Storm Front is here today

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (Lrula)

209 Without ticket revenue, concession revenue, swindling cities into building fancy sports venues and the upper crust perks, like sky boxes, to pass around to business associates

why would anybody want to own a sorts franchise ?

I suspect we will see a spate of ownership change in the bigs
Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 11:31 AM (tQbpU)
+++++++++++++++
TV is extremely lucrative. But if there is a persistent secular move to little in-person attendance, the ball fields will shrink. They won't hold 50k people anymore. Maybe a thousand or two, with more expensive tickets and a really awesome in-person experience. Probably more akin to a two-class system where the rich and/or dedicated go in person and everyone else watches on TV.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (hYcqw)

210 202

Yeah...

Who is this "CharlieBrown'sDildo"?

I never heard of 'im.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:32 AM (LvTSG)

Yeah, he pops in from time to time. Pretty cromulent, normally.

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (bCLt0)

211 Treacher blocked me on twitter. I don't remember why.

Goldberg too.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (nRWPy)

212 So Obamas spying started in 2009! I wonder who was in his crosshairs back then, and where all the info is now.

Interesting that when it came to Flynn, he was no neophyte at this, although I dont think he was smart enuf to really call the shots.

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (Ed8Zd)

213 The media is lying about Georgia. I don't know what the lies are but it's the only way they can get us to argue about it.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (uEbPt)

214 The mayor of Elmurst IL (it's just west of Chicago and south of O'Hare
Airport) said that Jabba the Pritzker's plan is unrealistic and Elmurst
and DuPage county shouldn't have been lumped in with Chicago. He's
saying Fatso must revise his plan. Don't hold your breath.

You're right, TheQuietMan, about taking this into our own hands. It's the only way. Already had a phone call this morning from someone who has an inkling.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (lwiT4)

215 I'd shotgun Schiff in a Burbank Minute.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (7iLKU)

216 181
169 My biggest problem with the Georgia case is my assumption that every single word written by the media is a lie.

Seriously, I have a hard time getting past that.

I think the probability of your assumption is close to 1.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (0kCTs)

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After all the hoaxes and lies, the non coverage of all black on white murder and crime, and never saying a black person did a crime but only singling out white in a report, I naturally think it is the opposite to what is reported.
Now that Sharpton is involved, I think it is 110% opposite of what is being fed to us.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 12, 2020 11:34 AM (pw+jk)

217 Those guys got themselves jammed up good and hard. "Citizen's arrest" is a dicey proposition these days. I wouldn't try it.

But that guy could have kept running, he wasn't obligated to stop just because someone was telling him to. He ran around the front of the pickup and tried to wrestle a firearm away from someone. Video clearly shows that. I wouldn't try it.

Posted by: Monty James at May 12, 2020 11:34 AM (Zqz9o)

218 212 So Obamas spying started in 2009! I wonder who was in his crosshairs back then, and where all the info is now.

Interesting that when it came to Flynn, he was no neophyte at this, although I dont think he was smart enuf to really call the shots.
Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (Ed8Zd)

============

The target was everyone who would cause problems for Obama.

And the FBI probably volunteered FISA as a way to spy on Americans to Holder.

Because they're good, honest, non-partisan civil servants.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:34 AM (LvTSG)

219 Casey (D-Nazi Pennsylvania) got the response from Fauci he wanted.

"The states reopening are not following CDC guidelines and we will
slip into an unrecoverable death spiral. And our economies will never
ever recover, either."

I'm paraphrasing, but that is the point of the fucking Dems today
with the Fauci circus. Keep it all closed through the election, and to
have a "safe" election, we must MUST vote by mail.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 11:32 AM (+fPHo)

Why it's almost like Miguelito Fauci is part of the Deep State to help sink the economy for the election

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 11:34 AM (S3kJC)

220 I'd shotgun Schiff in a Burbank Minute.

I'd put an air compressor hose in his mouth and see if his eyes bulged out more first.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM (ZGrMX)

221 "But, a reflexive defense of murderers because they are White and the victim is Black is just as bad as screaming racism every time a Black man is killed."

Are they murderers now? Looked like a struggle and the gun went off.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM (CLteG)

222 Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

I thought Scarf Lady said they're much lower than is being reported. Does she not believe in science?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM (lwiT4)

223 Not deserving to be shot even if he was robbing every house has nothing to do with why he got shot.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (Cus5s)

If someone pulls a gun on me I am going to try to defend myself. I think that assuming that the jogger/burglar is guilty because he grappled with a guy pointing a gun at him is illogical.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM (dLLD6)

224 Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

Officials shouldn't report unofficial numbers, should they?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM (oVJmc)

225 Fauci: "There's no guarantee that a vaccine is going to be effective

WTF does this guy want then?! JHC...
Posted by: Tami

---

...That you should stay inside your house forever.

How you PAY to own that house is your problem.

BTW, anyone see that interview with Bill Gates where he's being told that everyone's going to be out of work and the economies of the world are crashing... and he's smiling and giggling.

Fuck! That guy's a textbook psychopath.

...But he's going to save us.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM (fJ/iF)

226 Bucatini is the best Pasta.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM (7iLKU)

227 Candice Owens had excellent commentary on this. Once again reminding everyone of certain uncomfortable statistics. If the two men running this guy down had also been black you would never even have heard of it.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at May 12, 2020 11:36 AM (BRpqW)

228 167
@jeffsessions
Today, I am setting the record straight on recusal.
Read my open letter to the people of Alabama.

==

@BenedictArnold
Today I am setting the record straight on my defection to the British side to the people of West Point, NY. Read my open manuscript.

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 11:26 AM (zr5Kq)

LOL

Props

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 12, 2020 11:36 AM (l4C/z)

229 Ha! Love the graphic MWW.

No those guys should not have chased that guy down. They could have taken video and pictures and pointed the cops to him as a suspect. In my experience though, the cops would do nothing anyway though unless they caught him red handed. Then they would book him and let him go.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 11:36 AM (Tnijr)

230 Al Sharpton is now involved in the GA case, and Leonard Pitts has written a nasty racist screed about white people. Again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

So it's a day ending in "y"?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2020 11:36 AM (8mOxN)

231 Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

So glad Trump has got him front and center. When the mothers of America find out what he's done over the years...he's going to beg for a bunch of his own vaccines.

Posted by: t-bird at May 12, 2020 11:36 AM (/2aWP)

232 F^ck Fa^ci.

Rand Paul just told him he's a single voice and we need to listen to others.

Fa^ci is firing back.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (+fPHo)

233 Those guys in Georgia are fucked. If they are acquitted there will be Ferguson style riots in major cities across the country. Given the increased tensions in the air over the lockdowns they'll be sacrificed to appease the mob.

Posted by: Guzalot at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (Rz36l)

234 Fuck! That guy's a textbook psychopath.

...But he's going to save us.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM (fJ/iF)

He's the Anti-Christ and Fauci is his False Prophet.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (lwiT4)

235 Isn't the "jogger" case going to come down ultimately to what happened when the cop's son stood in front of him and who attacked first?

If the son first puts hands on the "jogger" I imagine he's getting some kind of manslaughter charge, and if the "jogger" did then its going to be self defense?

Overall this is a weird case where an ex-cop has someone who is likely a BE suspect that he'd been involved in prosecuting in his neighborhood right in front of him.

This is the stuff they usually stick into the plot of tv series where a detective is a retired cop.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (WdocV)

236 The best kind of shotgun is a pump shotgun. When people hear that pump chamber a round nobody tries to to wrestle the shotgun. They skeedaddle.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (7iLKU)

237 If the two men running this guy down had also been black you would never even have heard of it.

That's normally true, but there's the twist here that a friend of the shooters filmed the whole thing and sent it to media.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (ZGrMX)

238 236 The best kind of shotgun is a pump shotgun. When people hear that pump chamber a round nobody tries to to wrestle the shotgun. They skeedaddle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (7iLKU)

========

My favorite for dealing with hellspawn on Mars.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

239 206
Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

He most definitely has an agenda and Trump needs to dump this guy.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 11:32 AM (JUOKG)
Only because they haven't fabricated the cause of death on all the death certificates yet

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (N39Ws)

240 Yep. Fauci is Terror Tuesday. He's delivering *all* possible bad news for the media to run with this week.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (uEbPt)

241 Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

And Birx is saying the numbers are over-reported by 25%.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (8mOxN)

242 WTF does this guy want then?!

More doctors to prescribe and buy the drug he keeps pushing.

If the two men running this guy down had also been black you would never even have heard of it.

Sure, but again, that's a condemnation of the press. This doesn't even rise to the level of a national story: dumb people hunt down a suspicious character and in a pointless struggle he dies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (KZzsI)

243 Fauci: "There's no guarantee that a vaccine is going to be effective

Gates: "We should be able to get [the world's population] down to 6.9 billion with proper vaccinations."

Posted by: t-bird at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (/2aWP)

244 238 236 The best kind of shotgun is a pump shotgun. When people hear that pump chamber a round nobody tries to to wrestle the shotgun. They skeedaddle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (7iLKU)

========

My favorite for dealing with hellspawn on Mars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

That fucking Marine barely needs the shotgun. Rip and Tear indeed...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (l4C/z)

245 241 Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

And Birx is saying the numbers are over-reported by 25%.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (8mOxN)

=========

#BelieveAllWomen

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

246 234

He's the Anti-Christ and Fauci is his False Prophet.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (lwiT4)

I dunno, never had the AntiChrist pegged as an Asperger's Dipshit, grammie.

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (bCLt0)

247 79. Wilmington Blue Rocks gave MLB one of the Royals' best hitters. Unfortunately his name escapes me.

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (FpybW)

248 Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

I thought Scarf Lady said they're much lower than is being reported. Does she not believe in science?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM (lwiT4)
+++++++++++
They can disagree. Science is, at its very root, about disagreement. I have a hypothesis. I test it. I publish my methodology, controls, variables, data and conclusions and then invite others to tear it down. It's all about disagreement. It's good. It's healthy.

It's also why no *one* scientist who hides his methods and his acolytes should guide major policy (I'm looking at you Ferguson, Fauci, et. al). I am glad they disagree. Policy is not scientific. Give the policymakers your conclusions even if (especially if) they differ and let them make policy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (hYcqw)

249 Whoa! Three F16s just shot by overhead. They were accompanying what looked like a regular passenger jet, but it was painted grey (not commercial.)

Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (sGotD)

250 I think Sessions case is simple - he lost his spine. Presumably the Deep State has something on him as well....but he was afraid and acted out of fear.

It is very understandable. And not what we want in a leader.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (WdocV)

251 Vigilantism doesn't belong here... UNTIL the government demonstrates that it has no intention of equally enforcing the law.

At that point, vigilantism becomes duty.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (T8HPM)

252 244
My favorite for dealing with hellspawn on Mars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

That fucking Marine barely needs the shotgun. Rip and Tear indeed...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (l4C/z)

==========

But those black health boxes were so rare.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

253 Now that we're talking about shooting people can anyone tell my why Neil Young Shot His Baby Down by the River? Did Neil use a pistol, rifle or shotgun?

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (7iLKU)

254 And Birx is saying the numbers are over-reported by 25%.

And of the two, Birx has the facts and data backing her assertion. If anything, she's wrong only in understating how many are over-reported.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (KZzsI)

255 where the rule of law has broken down, and vigilantism is justified. E.g., the Korean shopkeepers in the LA riots.

Wasn't it republican mayor dick reardon in '92?
Feckless democrat mayor "earn your priveleges back" garcetti would send swat Against korean rooftoppers, ignore looters and jail shopkeepers.
Where do i get a "Koreatown '92" t shirt?

Posted by: banned sez live tv a hoot in 92 at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (svE5j)

256 I have no idea what really happened in George between the AA man and the white father and son. However, after numerous media reports on crimes where the perp is shown as a smiling, angelic looking youngster who were are told was just minding his own business, or in the case the fellow is a shown as smiling guy wearing a prom outfit, I'm more than slightly cynical. That, in addition to the fact that whatever happened, happened in Feb, and we're just hearing about it now?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (bW1Yb)

257 I dunno, never had the AntiChrist pegged as an Asperger's Dipshit, grammie.

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 11:38 AM (bCLt0)

Sneaky disguise

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (lwiT4)

258 There's no guarantee that a vaccine is going to be effective

Yep - most Americans get the seasonal flu vaccine and it still kills 30-80K a year.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (WdocV)

259 a repost of something I wrote at the end of a thread yesterday:

How can anything like that be called murder?
Posted by: jwest at May 11, 2020 03:10 PM (mrrpT)

You don't understand the charge of Felony Murder. "Progressive" states have dropped it, because it is very harsh, but most southern states still have it, including Georgia. I know there's a nood, but on the chance you're still looking, it's best illustrated by a case in Oklahoma a couple years back.

You may remember that a twenty something girl recruited two of her teen boy friends to burglarize what they thought were rich people's houses. She drove them to a house, they broke in, but the owners grandson was there and came down the stairs with an AR-16. After a brief confrontation , he shot them both to death.

The shooter was NOT charged with anything, because self defense. He was facing two burglars inside his house. The girl in the car, however - and remember, she never intended to harm anyone, she never touched a weapon, she wasn't even in the house when the shootings happened - SHE was tried and convicted of TWO counts of Felony Murder, for the deaths of her two friends. She's in the Oklahoma State Prison today, and will be there for quite a while.

If you are committing a felony, and ANYONE dies for ANY REASON out of the chain of events you started, then you are guilty of Felony Murder. It is a harsh, harsh law. All the DA needs for conviction is to point to a body, and point out your involvement.,

In the Georgia case, the Felony was Aggravated Assault when they used a gun to try and detain Arbery on the road. That's the element that nails them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (trdmm)

260 256-Georgia, not George; Sorry.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (bW1Yb)

261 The Art Thread had a few posts about Treacher having a meltdown on site.
When and where was hard to determine, but the request was made asking
for some intrepid member of the Horde to source the post.
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Treacher flipped out about folks in CO going back to a restaurant that had reopened defying state orders, maybe that's what they were talking about.

Posted by: Methos at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (kOpft)

262 208 so Storm Front is here today

Pretty big broad stroke there Ghost. I am an unfrequent commenter here.

I'm not affiliated with stormfornt or any of those groups. Just tired of supposedly right of center people knee jerk believing what they are feed by the media. Isn't this what Ace bitches about on a regular basis.

Whenever the media says something is like a lynching or hate motivated, my assumption is that they are making it up. Of course, commenting when the victim is black and the presumed guilty are white and ignoring truly hateful crimes when the victim(s) are white and the presumed guilty are black is the standard playbook of our betters in the media.

But if CBD feels that 'white man' bad is the only thing he will comment on, I guess that makes me a racist. Don't know if I can find the flaw in your logic Ghost.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (0kCTs)

263 Whoa! Three F16s just shot by overhead. They were accompanying what looked like a regular passenger jet, but it was painted grey (not commercial.)
Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (sGotD)
++++++++++++
Something spooky and official - like that blank-slate airline that runs to Area 51.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (hYcqw)

264 251 Vigilantism doesn't belong here... UNTIL the government demonstrates that it has no intention of equally enforcing the law.

At that point, vigilantism becomes duty.
----------------------
Yep. That's why the 2nd Amendment exists.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (7iLKU)

265 - string of burglaries in that neighborhood dating back to October 2019
- owner of house had to install cameras
- owner of house lives far away
- owner of house had 2500 worth of fishing gear stolen that he didn't file a police report about
- Jr. had a 9mm stolen out of an unlocked car in January 1st, which he did report
- jogger had a juvenile and adult felony rap sheet.
- jogger knew Sr because of past investigations and run ins
- see laws on carrying a long gun legally in Georgia, which was followed by Sr.
- Sr. And Jr. followed the law and were on the phone with dispatch telling them to hold the jogger until they could get there. A neighbor called when the jogger exited the house.
- it was a lawful citizens arrest
- the crime was the jogger making a sharp turn to the left to violently attack, punch, and attempt to disarm Sr.
- the house the jogger left had busted pipes that had to be fixed which is in the police logs
- Jr. was on the phone with dispatch when this happened.

If the jogger was white pulling this shit, nothing would change in my eyes. Yet conservacucks almost always expose their anti-white and anti-South bias at every chance they get.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (p0Y1J)

266 That was a pjmedia article, I think.

Posted by: Methos at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (kOpft)

267 You can't chase a burglar down the street and kill them. Simple as that. Nor can you shoot them.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (o2MD2)

268 I got stung on the tongue by a yellow jacket.
sipping a coke at a football game- turned my head for a second, then
raised the cup to my mouth

yellow jacket was on the rim of the cup

ouch

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (iTXRQ)

===
I go camping and am outdoors quite a bit.

A good rule I have is to always give a Coke or beer can a good thump with my finger. If it starts to buzz put it in the trash.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (pw+jk)

269 "I'm not saying Southerners are racists, but following black people
around with trucks and confronting them with shotguns is not something
you see a lot of in other parts of the country."

I think people are not informed on what really happened. They observed the suspect illegally entering the home. In Georgia they can legally follow (arrest?, ask Barney/Gomer) the suspect. They did not randomly follow black people. That statement completely ignores the facts, makes up new "facts".

My guess is the two with guns knew the laws, but they were assaulted, as they were acting legally.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (Cus5s)

270 Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

I thought Scarf Lady said they're much lower than is being reported. Does she not believe in science?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM

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Like I said earlier, fauci has an agenda and it ain't to help Trump.

I would believe birk over fauci any day, and she says they are inflating the numbers. She has been steady during this whole thing and didn't try to panic people from what I saw of her at the podium.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (JUOKG)

271 Wilmington Blue Rocks gave MLB one of the Royals' best hitters. Unfortunately his name escapes me.
Posted by: kallisto

The guy with the pine tar ?

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (arJlL)

272 Gates: "We should be able to get [the world's population] down to 6.9 billion with proper vaccinations."
Posted by: t-bird

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My favorite Gates quote is about carbon emissions: "We need to get this number down to zero."

Zero.

God almighty! CO2 is plant food! Why does he hate plants?!

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (fJ/iF)

273 I'm a Southerner & I'm appalled by the killing of Arbery.

Tell the virtue fascists to FOAD.

Posted by: aelfheld at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (IxDhF)

274 Here's the thing about the Georgia jogger / burgler murder.

It's a local crime story. PERIOD. It has no bearing on anything, anywhere, except the people involved and local law enforcement.

Anything else is a bunch of horseshit. I don't give a damn if you think it was justified, not justified, racist, not racist - you are absolutely 100% playing into the left's hand by addressing it - AT ALL. Unless you live next door, your opinion is 100% IRRELEVANT.
Posted by: deadrody at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (V9901)

Yup. If I'm not going to be selected to be on the jury (which I won't), I don't see how this has anything to do with me.

That being said, it really hits me the wrong way when people easily toss around the word "murder."

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (hku12)

275 Check out this deadly, terrifying gun the NYPD proudly tweet that they saved the streets of NYC from. Behold how carefully staged and arranged the image is. The hard part was getting the powdered sugar and donut crumbs off the diorama.

https://twitter.com/NYPD77Pct/status/1259829682985488384

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (KZzsI)

276 just getting in...did you folks notice there is a boob on the front page? a boob ! right out in the open!

Was that a tribute to Fauci because I missed him too?

Posted by: DanMan at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (XTiHL)

277 "Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job."
BOOM. Game, set, match.

Posted by: Doubleshot Matrix, with Matrix & xtra matrix at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (4ceyg)

278 218 212 . . .

And the FBI probably volunteered FISA as a way to spy on Americans to Holder.

Because they're good, honest, non-partisan civil servants.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower
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We're NOT civil servants anymore. We resigned en masse because we couldn't bear to see our beloved agency tarnished by the five or six bad actors at the top.

Posted by: 99% Of All FBI Agents Who Are So Honest And Hardworking That It Fucking Boggles The Mind at May 12, 2020 11:42 AM (9vQJW)

279 Treacher flipped out about folks in CO going back to
a restaurant that had reopened defying state orders, maybe that's what
they were talking about.

Posted by: Methos at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (kOpft)

I think they're referring to an unpleasant incident on the blog a few years ago. Treacher came on here roaring drunk and abusive. He tangled with EmpireOfJeff, who you don't tangle with and it got real ugly real fast.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:42 AM (lwiT4)

280 Okay. Youngest son just informed me it was three F16s and a KC135.

Hey, at least I got the F16s right.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:42 AM (sGotD)

281 If the guy was an ex-cop he could have taken his video evidence to the cops and they probably would have paid attention to him more than the average citizen. The problem with a lot of cops is they think they are above the average citizen.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (Tnijr)

282 Yep. That's why the 2nd Amendment exists.
Posted by: Puddin Head

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Come on! We all know that the 2nd Amendment is there in case the government gets taken over by ducks and deer.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (fJ/iF)

283 278 We're NOT civil servants anymore. We resigned en masse because we couldn't bear to see our beloved agency tarnished by the five or six bad actors at the top.
Posted by: 99% Of All FBI Agents Who Are So Honest And Hardworking That It Fucking Boggles The Mind at May 12, 2020 11:42 AM (9vQJW)

===========

"Oh, the FBI rank and file will be coming out of the woodwork now..."
-Me, right after Comey's public "exoneration" of Hillary

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (LvTSG)

284 supposedly Rand Paul Tore up FAUX-chi

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (Lrula)

285 Regardless of your views on the actual incident,
picking a fight with CBD on his own thread seems tactically unwise.
*starts up popcorn machine*
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2020 11:30 AM (ZGrMX)
Wow, what a nuanced argument. "Disagree and you'll get banned." That's awesome stuff. Did you learn that from Melissa Click?

Maybe the issue isn't race, but zeroing in on the leftist anti-gun cause celebre of the moment and saying that it's off-limits. That it's racism to question the veracity of the case.

The left can talk stuff like this up all it wants, but it's off limit for the right-wing commentariat. Is that what you're saying, CBD? Or you, smug lackey?

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (8IQhD)

286 This father and son should never have gone full Obama on that Jogger/Thief.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (7iLKU)

287 Breyer is going to lead the Majority in striking down the House subpoenas.

RBG is going to write the dissent.

Trump is going to win.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (gAXBD)

288 MLB shouldn't resume until every member of the Houston Astros hands in their WS rings, the league revokes their title, and every member of that organization from the owner to the guy who cleans the toilets at the stadium publicly apologizes for cheating.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (Dc5Qe)

289 You can't chase a burglar down the street and kill them. Simple as that. Nor can you shoot them.

***

Well, you can chase them down the street. No you can't shoot them.

But what happens when you chase a burglar down the street and he tries to take your gun from you?

It isn't clear exactly what happened between this guy and the son right before he got shot....but I presume that's what the case will turn on.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (WdocV)

290 I forgot about "Conservacuck". Thank you.

They are so very reasonable.

Posted by: nip at May 12, 2020 11:43 AM (Izot6)

291 The woman couldn't secure the nomination with the establishment's early support, the media's early adulation, and a very long lead up time to the first primary.
Political justice would be the California Democratic Party getting rid of her as a senator out of sheer embarrassment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (LvTSG)

Democrats were trying to find someone who could beat an incumbent Trump. Very different world than the one I'm talking about.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (uEbPt)

292
I have no idea what really happened in George between the AA man and the
white father and son. However, after numerous media reports on crimes
where the perp is shown as a smiling, angelic looking youngster who were
are told was just minding his own business, or in the case the fellow
is a shown as smiling guy wearing a prom outfit, I'm more than slightly
cynical. That, in addition to the fact that whatever happened, happened
in Feb, and we're just hearing about it now?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (bW1Yb)

The article someone here linked to Town Hall says the young man brought a gun to a sporting event in high school, and had been arrested for shoplifting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (ptqGC)

293 Radio sez san fernando valley to have fighter flyover wednesday 11:00am.
Cloudy right now.

Posted by: banned back together at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (svE5j)

294 I miss EOJ. We didn't always get along, but I appreciated his awesome sense of humor.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (o2MD2)

295 My favorite Gates quote is about carbon emissions: "We need to get this number down to zero."

Zero.

God almighty! CO2 is plant food! Why does he hate plants?!
Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (fJ/iF)
+++++++++++++
Well, at least he is being consistent. As is, oddly, AOC (or at least her handlers). If you believe the models (I don't), we have about a decade to get to net-zero carbon emissions or we cross the Rubicon and the damage becomes irreversible.

Assuming you believe the models, there are two ways to do that. Gates, AOC and the rest of the New Green Deal cult have picked the "net-zero emissions through heavy-handed policy and massive collateral damage" approach. They're wrong and their value system is completely broken, but they are being consistent in their approach toward a goal.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (hYcqw)

296 Citizens arrests in the circumstances in Georgia are just stupid. That was a whole chain of events that the dad, a retired investigator (which I believe is a sworn LEO, or at least is in other states), should have known would lead to ruin.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (svbBD)

297 " "Vigilantism" is "without legal authority" (like when our founders
rebelled against the throne) ... so these men were not out of line."

I muddied my point there ... I meant even though the founders may have acted outside the law .... these men were not vigilantes because the obeyed specific Georgia law on what citizens can do in regards to having observed the suspect trespassing.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (Cus5s)

298 Great fauci is telling bernie that the numbers of covid deaths are likely higher than is being reported.

I thought Scarf Lady said they're much lower than is being reported. Does she not believe in science?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:35 AM

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Like I said earlier, fauci has an agenda and it ain't to help Trump.

I would believe birk over fauci any day, and she says they are inflating the numbers. She has been steady during this whole thing and didn't try to panic people from what I saw of her at the podium.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (JUOKG)

It pleases me to see the gods of Expertise tossing lightning bolts at each other.

Anything that undermines our Rule of Experts' ability to control through fear is a good thing.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (hku12)

299 Is it just me...or is watching CBD beat down trolls just plain fun!?

Posted by: USMC 8541 at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (NmR1a)

300 I'm beyond pissed that the MLB is even talking about making the NL accept DHs. If I wanted to watch a bunch of wusses, I'd watch the Angels. But I don't, so I watch my Dodgers.

Posted by: pookysgirl, diehard Dodgers fan at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (XKZwp)

301 I think people are not informed on what really
happened. They observed the suspect illegally entering the home. In
Georgia they can legally follow (arrest?, ask Barney/Gomer) the suspect.
They did not randomly follow black people. That statement completely
ignores the facts, makes up new "facts".

My guess is the two with guns knew the laws, but they were assaulted, as they were acting legally.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (Cus5s)You think?

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (8IQhD)

302 You can't chase a burglar down the street and kill them.

Was that the chain of events? Straight from a-to-b?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (oVJmc)

303 144 Posted by: Captain Hate at May 12, 2020 09:36 AM (y7DUB)

Oh man I'd love to see that
Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 12, 2020 09:38 AM (IYHxL)

Now that the 100 comment threshold has been reached could one of you who knows how to search this piece of shit wonderful software find and link the ancient thread where Treacher lost his shit?
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 12, 2020 09:57 AM (y7DUB)

Here's the original post about Treacher...

Grammie seemed to have a recollection of the incident.

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (gD6Ka)

304 About this shooting of the "Jogger". We now know that he wasn't a black jogger who was chased down and shot but, a person fleeing from where he had been spotted inside someone else's home where he had been photographed previously. But again, had these guys stayed in the truck the "Jogger" would not have been able to attack the individual who is now charged with shooting him just as had Zimmerman stayed in the truck Trayvon would not have been bashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk just prior to meeting his demise
Really pretty simple. Unless someone is being harmed, stay in the fucking truck

Posted by: macko at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (adVtW)

305 @269

Per the FBI UCS, the South has the lowest incidence of bias crime reporting, the NE and California have the highest.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (NkeJ4)

306 But if CBD feels that 'white man' bad is the only
thing he will comment on, I guess that makes me a racist. Don't know if
I can find the flaw in your logic Ghost.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (0kCTs)

You reveal your motivation by bringing up race.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (dLLD6)

307 This is Trayvon Martin 2.0 to give Obama cover, a dog whistle so to speak.

We don't know the whole story and unfortunately we don't have trustworthy journalism. If the narrative in this country wasn't so well defined and worn down to weary, then maybe a reasoning would be worth it.

Crimes were committed. Let it play out in the court the way ALLLLL the rest of them do.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (sI15f)

308 MLB shouldn't resume until every member of the Houston Astros hands in their WS rings

And give them all to the Yankees, right?

But what happens when you chase a burglar down the street and he tries to take your gun from you?

pretty sure that group of guys could have subdued him without needing to pull the trigger. Its not like he was Blacula or something

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (KZzsI)

309 If I am an innocent jogger and two guys pull guns on me, I am going to try to grab one of the guns because that is tactically better than trying to outrun bullets from two guns. The one I am grappling with can't shoot me, and the other one can't shoot because he might hit his partner.

Posted by: Chuck C at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM (r6GXX)

That is actually pretty funny.

Would be even better than the tueller drill (So?)

YouTube the simulations and let us know how they turn out.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (1g7ch)

310 291 The woman couldn't secure the nomination with the establishment's early support, the media's early adulation, and a very long lead up time to the first primary.
Political justice would be the California Democratic Party getting rid of her as a senator out of sheer embarrassment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (LvTSG)

Democrats were trying to find someone who could beat an incumbent Trump. Very different world than the one I'm talking about.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (uEbPt)

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Nah, she's a non-issue on the national level from here on out. I think that even if she becomes Biden's VP pick, she'll never gain any national prominence after 2020.

She's simply bad at politics.

A side effect of rising to power in a one party state like California.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (LvTSG)

311 Vigilantism sprouts up when the public no longer feels that the elected authorities can properly enforce law and order or protect their citizens.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (Dc5Qe)

312 The big problem with the Georgia shooting is this is clearly a national hate crime story that will be used to bash conservatives,southerners, whites, Trump.... the usual suspects. Every single one of these stories turn out to not be what is presented at first by the MSM so why should I believe this will be any different? If it is it, it will be a first. I will wait until all the facts are out, if they are allowed to be presented, to make a judgement.

Posted by: Ripley at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (MxEKc)

313 "We are a nation of laws, and vigilantism does not belong in America."

Says who?

If GA law allows for private apprehension of a fleeing felon AND armed self-defense, which, thus far, it appears to allow, then is it really "vigilantism?"

Fact is, we do not know all the facts, including the contours of GA law AND whether the suspects' intent was to mete justice or to detain an apparently fleeing felon IAW GA law.

So, yeah, prompt criticism and apparent pearl-clutching is more on the side of virtue-signaling.

You can have a discussion about vigilantism's pros and cons without throwing the suspects and by extension, southerners, under the bus.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (KnJdm)

314 Whoa! Three F16s just shot by overhead. They were accompanying what looked like a regular passenger jet, but it was painted grey (not commercial.)
Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (sGotD)
++++++++++++
Something spooky and official - like that blank-slate airline that runs to Area 51.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Black helicopters are sooooo 20th century.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (+y/Ru)

315
I miss EOJ. We didn't always get along, but I appreciated his awesome sense of humor.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (o2MD2)

I was scared to death of him. I lurked for 6 months before making a peep cuz I was scared. LOL

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (lwiT4)

316 277
"Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job."
BOOM. Game, set, match.

Posted by: Doubleshot Matrix, with Matrix xtra matrix at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (4ceyg)
Oh, it was volunteer justice. You know like the Meal Team 6 guys out in Ector County Texas with their MRAP only without even the thin veneer of being sorta legal.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (e284m)

317 308 MLB shouldn't resume until every member of the Houston Astros hands in their WS rings

And give them all to the Yankees, right?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (KZzsI)

==========

No, the A's. I mean, they were number 2 in the division that won the World Series.

Makes sense to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

318 "Despite the effects of the pandemic citywide, gun arrests have increased as we continue our practice of precision policing."

Translation: we continue our practice of racial profiling.

And come on, it was a .22lr Ruger Single Action. Not your typical gun a hardened criminal carries.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (JUOKG)

319 They *have* to inflate the SARS 2 death numbers because the virus is mutating to a weaker form, therefore burning out. If Fauci doesn't know this, he's a stupid little sawed-off bitch.

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (FpybW)

320 We are a nation of laws my ass! After all that's transpired since at least the Obama Administration, and especially during the last three years, no one actually buys that BS short of the mentally incapacitated. Not the Left, NeverTrump or of course conservatives. The former two act as if it were so only because every organ of government does their bidding.

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (dearX)

321 "In defense of vigilantism..."

Yeah, think about what you are doing, folks. And if CBD is virtue signaling, I'll eat my size 10 Allen Edmonds wingtips on national television. No salt.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (fVRF2)

322 Okay. Youngest son just informed me it was three F16s and a KC135.

Hey, at least I got the F16s right.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:42 AM (sGotD)

IIRC, the KC135 is the air tanker version of the Boeing 707, so that would account for the resemblance.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (LZcDP)

323 Oh, that ape is wonderful! Thanks for starting me out with a laugh, CBD.

Posted by: creeper at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (XxJt1)

324 We now know that he wasn't a black jogger who was chased down and shot but, a person fleeing from where he had been spotted inside someone else's home where he had been photographed previously.

He was looking into a home under construction. Was he there to try to steal power tools or just having a looksee as probably most of you and certainly I have? I dunno.

But that doesn't justify what we've see on that video and know right now. If this was reversed, if it was a white guy poking around and a buncha black guys roared down on him and shotgunned him I think that a few folks around here would be singing a different tune.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (KZzsI)

325 Check out this deadly, terrifying gun the NYPD proudly tweet that they saved the streets of NYC from. Behold how carefully staged and arranged the image is. The hard part was getting the powdered sugar and donut crumbs off the diorama.

https://twitter.com/NYPD77Pct/status/1259829682985488384
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM

Just when you think people can't beclown themselves any further, this comes along.

The cartridge in front of the barrel was a nice touch.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (ejd/p)

326 Come on! We all know that the 2nd Amendment is there in case the government gets taken over by ducks and deer.

So we can vote the current bunch of turkeys out, but not the ducks? It's all so confusing.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Anyone want to live in a cardboard box? at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (SchxB)

327 I have no idea what really happened in George between the AA man and the
white father and son. However, after numerous media reports on crimes
where the perp is shown as a smiling, angelic looking youngster who were
are told was just minding his own business, or in the case the fellow
is a shown as smiling guy wearing a prom outfit, I'm more than slightly
cynical. That, in addition to the fact that whatever happened, happened
in Feb, and we're just hearing about it now?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (bW1Yb)

Yep. First I heard of this, I saw a picture of a smiling young man in a tuxedo, next to a blurry picture of a couple grinning fellas in trucker hats.

My "here we go again" meter started pinging.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (hku12)

328 Another serial leftist misrepresentation of a local crime story in an attempt to cause riots and shred gun rights and we're getting an AOSHQ cob DCing the horde as racist.

CBD, what's the joke with your username? I have to confess, I don't get it and never got it. Charlie Brown's Dildo... what?

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (8IQhD)

329 314
Whoa! Three F16s just shot by overhead. They were accompanying what
looked like a regular passenger jet, but it was painted grey (not
commercial.)

Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (sGotD)

++++++++++++

Something spooky and official - like that blank-slate airline that runs to Area 51.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Now tell us about the contrails!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (e284m)

330 If I saw a suspected burglar running down the street, I would try to note his appearance and get a good description for the police. I ain't a cop, so I don't have authority to chase him at all, much less with a shotgun.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (o2MD2)

331 271 Wilmington Blue Rocks gave MLB one of the Royals' best hitters. Unfortunately his name escapes me.
Posted by: kallisto

The guy with the pine tar ?
Posted by: JT at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (arJlL)

Capt. Preparation H...

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (gD6Ka)

332 f you are committing a felony, and ANYONE dies for ANY REASON out of the chain of events you started, then you are guilty of Felony Murder.

Fortunately, as you've pointed out, this is not true in every state.

Posted by: Eric Holder, Partner-at-Law, Covington, Burling, Fast & Furious, LLP at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (Lt1JN)

333 Like I said earlier, fauci has an agenda and it ain't to help Trump.

I would believe birk over fauci any day, and she says they are
inflating the numbers. She has been steady during this whole thing and
didn't try to panic people from what I saw of her at the podium.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (JUOKG)

I've loathed him from the beginning.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (ptqGC)

334 The article someone here linked to Town Hall says
the young man brought a gun to a sporting event in high school, and had
been arrested for shoplifting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (ptqGC)

I have read that also. And the adorable prom photo with a smiling young man are intentional.

But that has nothing to do with anything. I have granted the possibility that the guy was a thug. "Jogger/burglar" is a serious phrase.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:48 AM (dLLD6)

335 George Brett

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at May 12, 2020 11:48 AM (MZrBi)

336 MLB shouldn't resume until every member of the Houston Astros hands in their WS rings

And give them all to the Yankees, right?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (KZzsI)

Cubs. The answer is always the Cubs

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 11:48 AM (MChhi)

337 Whoa! Three F16s just shot by overhead. They were accompanying what looked like a regular passenger jet, but it was painted grey (not commercial.)
Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (sGotD)
++++++++++++
Something spooky and official - like that blank-slate airline that runs to Area 51.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM

***

More of the Great American Airshow

Three fighters and a refueling aircraft.

Yawn...

I want tanks in the cities!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2020 11:48 AM (axyOa)

338 @DailyCaller

Sen. Rand Paul:

"The history of this when we look back will be wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction... As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end all, I don't think you're the one person that gets to make a decision."

Video: https://tinyurl.com/y8g4ebqh

Posted by: Tami at May 12, 2020 11:48 AM (cF8AT)

339 I went to a news station website to try to see this video of the GA case, but all the TV station showed was three snippets and you got no idea of what actually happened. It was guy running/struggle/someone dead on ground (couldn't even tell who). About three seconds total.

I searched for the whole vid, came up empty, and then went on to other things, so I still haven't seen the actual chain-of-events.

Only later I began to wonder where the Hell the 'out jogging' part came in. Obviously not from the dead guy, so who? Spin from the lawyers/family?

That's when I became more interested in the spin of the case rather than the case itself.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2020 11:48 AM (oVJmc)

340 I'm beyond pissed that the MLB is even talking about
making the NL accept DHs. If I wanted to watch a bunch of wusses, I'd
watch the Angels. But I don't, so I watch my Dodgers.

Posted by: pookysgirl, diehard Dodgers fan at May 12, 2020 11:44 AM (XKZwp)

What?!? What's this about designated hitters? What?!? DH is of the debil

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (lwiT4)

341 Reading isn't your strong suit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:29 AM (dLLD6)

That's one explanation. The other is you are obviously guilty of the pathetic kind of virtue signaling you were whining about.

Posted by: brainy435 at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (UWVw1)

342 Yeah, think about what you are doing, folks. And if
CBD is virtue signaling, I'll eat my size 10 Allen Edmonds wingtips on
national television. No salt.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (fVRF2)Not defending vigilantism - cases tried on twitter like this one mutate by the hour, new evidence comes out and old evidence turns out to have been twisted. Just interested in our right to discuss things here, and saddened by a cob accusing some undefined percentage of the userbase here as reflexively racist trash.

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (8IQhD)

343 I'm a little unclear what the Democrats point is in these hearing. Fauci is saying the exact same thing he has said at the Task Force briefings. The guidelines he set with Birx are the basis for the reopening plan. The president has done everything they recommended and more. The angle of using the private sector has NEVER been done before and the response was overwhelming and unprecedented.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (VpIIl)

344 The mayor of Elmurst IL (it's just west of Chicago and south of O'Hare

Airport) said that Jabba the Pritzker's plan is unrealistic and Elmurst

and DuPage county shouldn't have been lumped in with Chicago. He's

saying Fatso must revise his plan. Don't hold your breath.

You're
right, TheQuietMan, about taking this into our own hands. It's the only
way. Already had a phone call this morning from someone who has an
inkling.
---

B,but we can't take situations into our own hands...that's the government's job!!!

Posted by: Methos at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (kOpft)

345 Welp, no one will ever hear the story of my husband's tortured, murdered cousin at the hands of five black criminals.

Local story.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (ptqGC)

346 Political justice would be the California Democratic Party getting rid of her as a senator out of sheer embarrassment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (LvTSG)
----------------
The same CA that kept Barbara Boxer in office for 30 years?

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (7iLKU)

347 You reveal your motivation by bringing up race.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:45 AM (dLLD6)
********
Storm Fronters get triggered & go Eva Braun When someone brings up Storm Front

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (Lrula)

348 Charlie Brown's Dildo... what?

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (8IQhD)

It's from a conversation in the comments a long, long time ago. Ace gave me that nic, and I ran with it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (dLLD6)

349 Fauci: "There's no guarantee that a vaccine is going to be effective

WTF does this guy want then?! JHC...

Posted by: Tami

===
Scientific history says that the vaccine will at best be 60% effective... AT BEST.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (pw+jk)

350 249 Whoa! Three F16s just shot by overhead. They were accompanying what looked like a regular passenger jet, but it was painted grey (not commercial.)
Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:39 AM (sGotD)

my guess - 3 F-16's with a flying fuel tanker (KC-135?) headed on a long distance flight.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (trdmm)

351 Check out this deadly, terrifying gun the NYPD proudly tweet that they saved the streets of NYC from. Behold how carefully staged and arranged the image is. The hard part was getting the powdered sugar and donut crumbs off the diorama.

https://twitter.com/NYPD77Pct/status/1259829682985488384
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:41 AM (KZzsI)
++++++++++++++
In the Knoxville, TN airport, they have these signs up along the line to security showing pictures of firearms and captions like
"Office Smith stopped this GUN from getting onto an airplane 5/3/2019"

It bothers me every time, both because I don't really care if an airplane passenger is armed but also because the GUN didn't try to get onto an airplane. A person tried tried to carry it on to an airplane. The gun ain't gonna get up and walk around of its own accord. It has no volition.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:50 AM (hYcqw)

352 And come on, it was a .22lr Ruger Single Action. Not your typical gun a hardened criminal carries.

Yeah don't you love that full cartridge posed by the barrel like its being shot?

This was somebody's family heirloom with a mother of pearl handle, not a some thug's weapon. And I cannot understand how on earth a .22 wheel gun is illegal.

They are being savaged in the responses over that tweet, though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:50 AM (KZzsI)

353 346 Political justice would be the California Democratic Party getting rid of her as a senator out of sheer embarrassment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:28 AM (LvTSG)
----------------
The same CA that kept Barbara Boxer in office for 30 years?
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (7iLKU)

=========

I didn't say it was likely.

She's there until she becomes governor.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:50 AM (LvTSG)

354 Sen. Rand Paul:

"The history of this when we look back will be wrong prediction
after wrong prediction after wrong prediction... As much as I respect
you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end all, I don't think you're
the one person that gets to make a decision."

You know, Rand is a pain in the ass, but he's a good guy to have on your team.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:50 AM (lwiT4)

355 119
Brooke Singman @BrookeSingman
4h
NEW: Sources confirm to Fox News that acting Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell has declassified the names of Obama officials behind the #Unmasking of #MichaelFlynn

Sources say documents related to that process are expected to be released soon
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (Lrula)

Then Trump and Barr do not think there is any reason to keep things quiet.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Get the Flu Manchu Blues at the Outrage Outlet! at May 12, 2020 11:50 AM (0QYMt)

356 306 But if CBD feels that 'white man' bad is the only
thing he will comment on, I guess that makes me a racist. Don't know if
I can find the flaw in your logic Ghost.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:40 AM (0kCTs)

You reveal your motivation by bringing up race.

Well, I think you are mistaken. Ghost is making accusations that those who disagree with you belong to racist organizations. But it is a free country, for now, so think what you want to think. Good luck with your virtue signalling. Maybe you can get a job with the Bulwark folks.

Posted by: saxinis at May 12, 2020 11:50 AM (0kCTs)

357 IIRC, the KC135 is the air tanker version of the Boeing 707, so that would account for the resemblance.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (LZcDP)
~~~~~

Thanks AOP.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:50 AM (sGotD)

358 348 Charlie Brown's Dildo... what?

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (8IQhD)

It's from a conversation in the comments a long, long time ago. Ace gave me that nic, and I ran with it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (dLLD6)

===========

It's on your CV, isn't it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 11:50 AM (LvTSG)

359 I remember when the cop gunned down that nice young man in Ferguson.

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM (88+cf)

360 Now tell us about the contrails!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (e284m)
*********
That is CHEMtrails

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM (Lrula)

361 Just got back from my walk.. So is fauci "blaming " trump for everything?

Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM (Zmnko)

362 We'd get more accurate info if Fauci was fired and replaced by Cliff Klavin.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM (fJ/iF)

363 You can have a discussion about vigilantism's pros
and cons without throwing the suspects and by extension, southerners,
under the bus.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (KnJdm)
And we can wait for a jury to decide what happened before declaring either way. In the meantime, skepticism is another of our rights.

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM (8IQhD)

364 121..... I don't give a damn if you think it was justified, not justified, racist, not racist - you are absolutely 100% playing into the left's hand by addressing it - AT ALL......
Posted by: deadrody at May 12, 2020 11:19 AM (V9901)
-----------------------------------
Yep. This is just the standard election-year ploy to drum up racial hatred. The ONLY way to fight it is to ignore it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM (M/9m0)

365 What?!? What's this about designated hitters? What?!? DH is of the debil
Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (lwiT4)
++++++++++
I agree. I am actually okay with saying the pitcher doesn't have to hit. It is a specialty position unlike any other. But if you want to go down that road, just shorten the lineup by one hitter instead of trying to square the circle with the DH.

Also, get rid of the infield fly rule.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM (hYcqw)

366 The president has done everything they recommended and more.

There's yer trouble.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (lwiT4)

367 If this was reversed, if it was a white guy poking around and a buncha black guys roared down on him and shotgunned him I think that a few folks around here would be singing a different tune.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (KZzsI)

This is a ridiculous assertion.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (KnJdm)

368 I don't really see the moral angle here. Legally speaking, obviously you're better off relying on the cops for post-crime arrests. As a practical matter, in certain places such as Chicago(not so much Georgia), you have to be your own law enforcement. I don't see why people living in Chicago would need to care much about the law.

Posted by: Someguy at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (Zm+LZ)

369 It's from a conversation in the comments a long, long time ago. Ace gave me that nic, and I ran with it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (dLLD6)

Word. Sometimes I pause in the middle of the food thread and think about taking food advice from a dildo... but then I move ahead with my sous vide plans

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (8IQhD)

370 If the DH comes to the National League, I'mma be pissed. Keep it in Quadruple A where it belongs, or get rid of it altogether.

As long as we're talking baseball, stealing signals from the outfield, using technology, yep--I'd consider that cheating. Stealing signals from second base because your catcher gives it away, not cheating, part of the game...

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (MZrBi)

371 Charlie Brown's Dildo... what?

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:47 AM (8IQhD)

It's from a conversation in the comments a long, long time ago. Ace gave me that nic, and I ran with it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM

***

So we should tell Peppermint Patty to quit tearing her bedroom apart looking for her...stuff?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (axyOa)

372 I'm fairly sure even here in the "Wild West" we're not permitted to chase a man down when he's not on our property and shoot his ass, even if he's a Yankee or a guy from California.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (e284m)

373 Just interested in our right to discuss things here

"Rights" on a blog. Unclear on the concept.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (fVRF2)

374 363 You can have a discussion about vigilantism's pros
and cons without throwing the suspects and by extension, southerners,
under the bus.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2020 11:46 AM (KnJdm)
And we can wait for a jury to decide what happened before declaring either way. In the meantime, skepticism is another of our rights.
Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM (8IQhD)

Exactly.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (KnJdm)

375 Bernard Goetz had the right idea.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (7iLKU)

376 Vigilantism doesn't belong in America? Except that a citizen arrest is legal.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (50gG9)

377 Treacher was always a weird guy. He was really observant and funny back in the HA days, and was a well liked commenter.

I was also a regular over there and he mistook one of my comments making fun of liberals as liberal trolling. And he was like a dog with a bone. No matter *what* I said, how I carefully explained I was only making a sarcastic observation, or how stupid I ended up making him look about it, he doubled down and down and down and insisted I was a liberal troll. Couldn't get him to shut up. It was really weird.

When that shit happened that night with EoJ here, he made himself look even stupider, but it didn't remotely surprise me.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (uEbPt)

378 The other is you are obviously guilty of the pathetic kind of virtue signaling you were whining about.

Posted by: brainy435 at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (UWVw1)

That's a nice throwaway accusation that makes no sense. You have no appreciation for my point, maybe because you are too dumb to understand it, or too stubborn and ignorant to recognize the logic.

Either way, try to argue the merits instead of your thinly veiled contempt for the law and our rights.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (dLLD6)

379 I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job.

The people on our side trying to defend the murderers is disgusting. Schlichter in particular really disappointed me.

Oh and those Stefan Molyneux videos somebody was pimping earlier prove nothing. Just more "guy entered a house under construction, he deserved to be shot" BS.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (+7yf7)

380 Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (Lrula)
Hey, keep your distance buddy, we might both be ghosts but this social distancing stuff is important...

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (8IQhD)

381 Ah, yes, populist outrage on behalf of billionaire, public-teat-sucking, MLB team owners...

Someone is tone-deaf, alright.

Posted by: RichieC at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (838ff)

382 Then Trump and Barr do not think there is any reason to keep things quiet.

Screams of "political persecution" and "witch hunt" emanating from the left in 3... 2... 1...

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Anyone want to live in a cardboard box? at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (SchxB)

383 Why it's almost like Miguelito Fauci is part of the Deep State to help sink the economy for the election
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 11:34 AM (S3kJC)

There is no evidence that fauci loves himself some Hillary .

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (1g7ch)

384 324....

If it were reversed, you'd probably never have heard about it. Which reminds me...some black thug murdered an elderly white couple this past Friday in Delaware. No riots, protests, and I'm betting you were unaware of the story. Wonder why that is? I mean, we're a nation of laws and all that, right?

"29-year-old Sheldon Francis gunned down a married couple in their 80s on Friday in the Delaware Veterans Memorial Cemetery.
The woman died at the scene; her husband died a day later, in the hospital."

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (dearX)

385 "3 F-16's with a flying fuel tanker (KC-135?) headed on a long distance flight."

Flyover to honor gas station attendants.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (Tnijr)

386 Yep. This is just the standard election-year ploy to drum up racial hatred. The ONLY way to fight it is to ignore it.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM (M/9m0)

Yeah. There is no question at all that the mainstream media seized upon this case to stoke the fires of racist hatred. Otherwise, it would have remained a local crime story.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (LZcDP)

387 Fatso Pritzker says Illinois won't peak until June. It will never peak if they keep counting like they are.

7th Cook County Jail Inmate Dies Due to COVID-19 Complications

Before being transferred to Stroger (hospital), Sobczyk was being treated at CermakHealth Services for cancer that had spread to his liver, lung, bones and brain, the sheriff's office said. He suffered from other significant health issues, including hypertension, congestive heart failure and coronary artery disease.

He was the picture of health before Flu Manchu so he has to have died from that

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (MChhi)

388 I've pretty much totally ignored the whole Georgia thing. Honestly, I really can't bring myself to care very much one way or the other.

"Local story."

Shit happens.

Posted by: filbert at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (NiXyF)

389 372 I'm fairly sure even here in the "Wild West" we're not permitted to chase a man down when he's not on our property and shoot his ass, even if he's a Yankee or a guy from California.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 11:52 AM (e284m)

Blue state WA still has a fleeing felon justification for lethal force. Be sure of what you speak. You may be surprised.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (KnJdm)

390 Sen. Rand Paul:

Dr. Rand Paul ?

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (zr5Kq)

391 >>I agree. I am actually okay with saying the pitcher doesn't have to hit.

Me too. As long as we are talking about girls softball or the American League.

There's no crying in baseball and no designated hitter either.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 11:55 AM (ZLI7S)

392 Screams of "political persecution" and "witch hunt" emanating from the left in 3... 2... 1...
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Anyone want to live in a cardboard box? at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (SchxB)

Oh, they've already begun. You've seen the spittle-flecked D Congresscritters bleating "Barr Must Resign," yes?

Posted by: filbert at May 12, 2020 11:55 AM (NiXyF)

393 How many joggers have been gunned down in Baltimore this past week?

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 11:56 AM (7iLKU)

394 Blue state WA still has a fleeing felon justification for lethal force. Be sure of what you speak. You may be surprised.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (KnJdm)

The laws that govern this sort of thing are pretty varied by state.

Posted by: Someguy at May 12, 2020 11:56 AM (Zm+LZ)

395 379...

Tell you what. If we ever reach a point at which we return to "a nation of laws", then I'll grant you your point. But until then, I don't give a flying fuck!

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 12, 2020 11:56 AM (dearX)

396 3 F-16's with a flying fuel tanker (KC-135?) headed on a long distance flight."

Flyover to honor gas station attendants.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM

***

Meanwhile little Nguyan sets up his miniature home-made radar set and says to his buddy Tran, Hey, hold my beer!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2020 11:56 AM (axyOa)

397 my guess - 3 F-16's with a flying fuel tanker (KC-135?) headed on a long distance flight.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (trdmm)
~~~~~

You are correct as per my USAF vet son.

I'm in coastal New Jersey and there are F16s down at Atlantic City airport so we do get to see them occasionally. These were flying relatively low as they frequently do over the ocean, and heading north (as usual) toward NYC. It's always fun--like a mini air show.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:56 AM (sGotD)

398 CBD, I'm with you on the Arbery killing. An unarmed (and presumably innocent) man is dead and I have yet to see a good reason for that.

Almost as bad, authorities evidently did everything in their power to excuse the killers. And now conservatives' biggest whine is that it's somehow "unfair" that the story is being told. The right isn't coming off well here.

Posted by: creeper at May 12, 2020 11:56 AM (XxJt1)

399 Before being transferred to Stroger (hospital),
Sobczyk was being treated at CermakHealth Services for cancer that had
spread to his liver, lung, bones and brain, the sheriff's office said.
He suffered from other significant health issues, including
hypertension, congestive heart failure and coronary artery disease.

He was the picture of health before Flu Manchu so he has to have died from that

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (MChhi)

Oh my gosh. You want I should go drill a hole in the bottom of his boat? It's a real nice boat.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:56 AM (lwiT4)

400 20 "I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job."

I've made the same sentiment elsewhere and gotten pretty much the same response. It's sad really to see people locked into ideological stances instead of thinking about the logical application of the law.
Posted by: SamVonSam at May 12, 2020 11:06 AM (Oyenf)

No, what you are seeing is the almost inevitable outcome of the People loosing faith in the Justice system.

These games in DC? The Illegals getting away with shit? Letting prisoners go without finishing their sentences?

When the 'Justice' system is perceived to have failed, people will take shit into their own hands.

Not condoning it. Just stating a fact.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 12, 2020 11:57 AM (NgKpN)

401 Oh and those Stefan Molyneux videos somebody was
pimping earlier prove nothing. Just more "guy entered a house under
construction, he deserved to be shot" BS.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (+7yf7)
Heh - I'd be dead. When they were building up our neighborhood I used to go in and check out the floor plans and the carpentry to see if I could learn some shit about framing.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 11:57 AM (e284m)

402 Murphy (Communist-Connecticut) to the doctors:

"We need the Fed to pay all of those quarantined at home that cannot work, but the quarantine is jeopardized by those fucking redneck states.

Tell those fucking redneck states what to do. "

I'm paraphrasing.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 11:57 AM (+fPHo)

403 Oh, they've already begun. You've seen the spittle-flecked D Congresscritters bleating "Barr Must Resign," yes?

I'd seen some headlines, but I mostly ignore them as "D Congresscritter" equates to "bullshit merchant" at least 99.9999% of the time.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Anyone want to live in a cardboard box? at May 12, 2020 11:57 AM (SchxB)

404 Just interested in our right to discuss things here,
and saddened by a cob accusing some undefined percentage of the
userbase here as reflexively racist trash.

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (8IQhD)

Ease up on the generalizing. I referred to specific people, and did not expand that to anyone else.

You have zero right to anything on this blog, and neither do I. It is a business owned by Ace, and his rules are the only ones that count. He can yank my coblogger credentials any time he sees fit, and I have no recourse...nor should I.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:57 AM (dLLD6)

405 Hey, keep your distance buddy, we might both be ghosts but this social distancing stuff is important...
Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (8IQhD)
*********
Don't cross the Ghosts ??

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 12, 2020 11:58 AM (Lrula)

406 Also, the NYPD has *nothing* on the ATF when it comes to brain-dead tweeting. The ATF still holds the trophy for the stupidest and most tone-deaf tweet by a government agency:

https://tinyurl.com/tonedeafatf

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:58 AM (hYcqw)

407 There's no crying in baseball and no designated hitter either.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 11:55 AM (ZLI7S)

Finally. Finally something JS and I can agree on.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:58 AM (lwiT4)

408 I think they're referring to an unpleasant incident
on the blog a few years ago. Treacher came on here roaring drunk and
abusive. He tangled with EmpireOfJeff, who you don't tangle with and it
got real ugly real fast.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 11:42 AM (lwiT4)

EoJ was awesome.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 12, 2020 11:58 AM (9Om/r)

409 Something spooky and official - like that blank-slate airline that runs to Area 51.

Speaking of, an enterprising Congressman could have a lot of fun by trying to stop funding for JANET on the grounds that it's a fuckton of carbon emissions to fly people back and forth from Vegas to Area 51.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2020 11:58 AM (ZGrMX)

410 I was also a regular over there and he mistook one of my comments making fun of liberals as liberal trolling. And he was like a dog with a bone. No matter *what* I said, how I carefully explained I was only making a sarcastic observation, or how stupid I ended up making him look about it, he doubled down and down and down and insisted I was a liberal troll. Couldn't get him to shut up. It was really weird.

When that shit happened that night with EoJ here, he made himself look even stupider, but it didn't remotely surprise me.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (uEbPt)

Can't imagine anyone mistaking you for a liberal troll.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 12, 2020 11:58 AM (sI15f)

411 The laws that govern this sort of thing are pretty varied by state.
Posted by: Someguy at May 12, 2020 11:56 AM (Zm+LZ)

Agreed. What doesn't? Definition of vigilantism.

If action is allowed by law, it is, per se, NOT vigilantism. It is lawful and sanctioned action.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2020 11:59 AM (KnJdm)

412 My guess is the two with guns knew the laws, but they were assaulted, as they were acting legally."

The first and biggest legal mistake they made, and the one which dooms them - if you pull a gun on someone in a threatening way in public (and that's on the video), and YOU are the one who's initiated the confrontation, and especially if the other party is unarmed - then that is textbook Aggravated Assault. (aka Assault with a Deadly Weapon) Remember that Assault is just the threat - battery is actual physical harm.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 11:59 AM (trdmm)

413
It's a local crime story. PERIOD.

As was JonBenet Ramsey.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2020 11:59 AM (aKsyK)

414 I was also a regular over there and he mistook one of my comments making fun of liberals as liberal trolling. And he was like a dog with a bone. No matter *what* I said, how I carefully explained I was only making a sarcastic observation, or how stupid I ended up making him look about it, he doubled down and down and down and insisted I was a liberal troll. Couldn't get him to shut up. It was really weird.

----

I used to frequent a site called "I Own The World" a few years back. I mentioned that I was an actor and dissed some known actor. One of the IOTW folks went insane and said, "RKae said before that he worked at an airport and now he's claiming he's an actor! HE'S A TROLL!"

...Yeah.

'Cause actors never have other jobs. We's all millionaires.

Lots of weird people on the internet doing weird things. And people scare me when they are "like a dog with a bone." They seem utterly beyond reason.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 11:59 AM (fJ/iF)

415 Hey, then we can just go out and do whatever 'justice' we think is okay, am I understanding this correctly?

and when someone else comes by and renders upon us whatever 'justice' they think is okay in response to our 'justice' that will be okay too.

Right?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (e284m)

416 When the 'Justice' system is perceived to have failed, people will take shit into their own hands.

Not condoning it. Just stating a fact.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 12, 2020 11:57 AM (NgKpN)

I've got no moral beef against "vigilantism". A justice/legal system is the alternative constructed to handle these issues in a more efficient and uniform fashion, but "vigilantism" is the original from which it comes. The destruction of the justice/legal system does not mean the needs which it served go away.

Posted by: Someguy at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (Zm+LZ)

417 Blue state WA still has a fleeing felon justification for lethal force. Be sure of what you speak. You may be surprised.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2020 11:54 AM (KnJdm)

Doesn't Texas have defense along the lines of "that guy just needed killing, or is that just one of those tall tales told to bamboozle us yankees?

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (IrOVa)

418 CBD is a moron, and not in a good way. Arbery, black trespasser/jogger, went out of his way to attack McMichael, the white man with the shotgun who wanted to stop him for questioning.

Arbery had already evaded McMichael, cutting over to the right side of the pickup truck as he ran by. McMichael, at the other end of the pickup, did not move over to intercept Arbery but stayed to the left of the pickup.

As he got past the pickup Arbery could have continued straight but instead darted across in front of it to attack McMichael and try to get his shotgun.

Arbery knew full well that these neighborhood people had good reason to thy to stop and question him because he had just been trespassing through a construction site.

It's like if the homeowner where he was trespassing confronted him with a shotgun and he attacked the homeowner and tried to get the shotgun away from him.

As soon as Arbery went for McMichael's gun he was NOT unarmed. He was at first going for a gun, and the moment he got his hands on the gun he was armed.

There is simply no doubt that McMichael shot Arbery in self defense. Whether McMichael might legitimately face some legal liability for creating a dangerous situation, that depends on state law, but in general it is good when trespassers are stopped and questioned.

CBD thinks should people lose their right to self-defense in the event that they try to question a trespasser. If the trespasser reacts by attacking you and immediately goes for a gun, whether yours or his, CBD thinks you should be held guilty of murder for defending yourself against this criminal attack.

Bad moron.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (wh9C3)

419 EoJ was awesome.
-------------------
Yes he was.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (7iLKU)

420 my guess - 3 F-16's with a flying fuel tanker (KC-135?) headed on a long distance flight.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM (trdmm)
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NJ177th doing a flyby for healthcare profssionals.

Posted by: BluesFish at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (WQZ1O)

421 I'm a little unclear what the Democrats point is in
these hearing. Fauci is saying the exact same thing he has said at the
Task Force briefings. The guidelines he set with Birx are the basis for
the reopening plan. The president has done everything they recommended
and more. The angle of using the private sector has NEVER been done
before and the response was overwhelming and unprecedented.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2020 11:49 AM

---

It ain't over yet. No one has brought up the "leaked" CDC plan to keep the Country shut down until there are zero deaths from the virus.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (JUOKG)

422 I've been watching a lot of old World Series games on yootoobe via the mlb vault channel. Last night was game 7 of the '60 version, Pirates v Yankees. Pitchers didn't screw around much back in the day, just toed up and threw, and I enjoy watching Yogi and a bunch of others still swinging around a few bats right before getting in the box and a kid having to follow them all the way up there. Oh and lots of suits and smokes in the seats.

Posted by: jhawk90 at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (/ZYFC)

423 It's a local crime story. PERIOD

I agree with this... Everytime some black person is killed by a white person all white people are blamed including the President... Enough with this shit... By the way.. Hope they throw the book at these POS if everything is at it looks

Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2020 12:01 PM (Zmnko)

424 412 My guess is the two with guns knew the laws, but they were assaulted, as they were acting legally."

By their own admission, they saw the guy they thought was responsible for the robberies, called 911, THEN grabbed their guns and chased him down. He was not robbing their house, he did not confront them on the street. They armed themselves and gave chase for no reason.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 12, 2020 12:01 PM (dNzKv)

425 415 Hey, then we can just go out and do whatever 'justice' we think is okay, am I understanding this correctly?

and when someone else comes by and renders upon us whatever 'justice' they think is okay in response to our 'justice' that will be okay too.

Right?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (e284m)

Well there are three alternatives.

1. No one is punished for crimes. This eventually becomes option 2.
2. People handle crimes through cultural and individual means with corresponding standards. This tends to be a lot messier but is orderly enough for a society to exist.
3. A legal system handles crime and punishment. This is currently collapsing towards option 1.

Posted by: Someguy at May 12, 2020 12:01 PM (Zm+LZ)

426 Dr Flu Fow Chee is a medical guy and that's all he knows. he also believes it's the only thing that matters in this case, and thus should have the last word. He has devoted his life's work to medicine and frankly he doesn't understand why you yahoos are arguing with him.

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 12:01 PM (iTXRQ)

427
There's no crying in baseball and no designated hitter either.
Posted by: JackStraw

How about a designated cryer?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2020 12:01 PM (aKsyK)

428 There's no crying in baseball and no designated hitter either.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 11:55 AM (ZLI7S)

Finally. Finally something JS and I can agree on.
Posted by: grammie winger

There's a whole lot of crying in base a ball.
Usually right after the first pitch of the season when the Indians are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2020 12:01 PM (8mOxN)

429

Continued prayers please for an incredible, young sister in the Lord who is like a daughter to me.
Having very hard time with childbirth.

Posted by: TeeJ at May 12, 2020 12:02 PM (l1wsb)

430 Lots of weird people on the internet doing weird things

==

Hey, why you looking at me when you say that ??

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:02 PM (zr5Kq)

431 "If the jogger was white pulling this shit, nothing
would change in my eyes. Yet conservacucks almost always expose their
anti-white and anti-South bias at every chance they get"

Posted by: Widespread Pepe

wow, nice summary, details I had not seen yet. Makes it appear this is yet another media attempt to Trayvonize (make hero) out of the criminal jogger, based mainly on race.

10 year old child with candy
hands up don't shoot

I can't breathe (that one was half true, but his health was the problem, not the choking, iirc)

then Freddie in Baltimore, murdered by cops? no, tried to bang his own head to collect a payment for abuse ... something went wrong.

The overall theme now is "these men should have let him go, because they being white should know how bad the optics would be. White man must bleed a lot, black man is righteous, just stealing back what the white man stole from him".

(not directly referring to argument here, but in general, that has indeed become the theme in America ... white privilege and all that ... which is basically white virtue signaling, payment for white guilt, shoplifting is a right)

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 12:02 PM (Cus5s)

432 "If the trespasser reacts by attacking you and immediately goes for a
gun, whether yours or his, CBD thinks you should be held guilty of
murder for defending yourself against this criminal attack."

They should not have pulled a gun on the guy. If I did that I'd go to jail for brandishing. Maybe not murder but manslaughter. It was stupid of the stupid ex-cop.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 12:02 PM (Tnijr)

433 I'm local to this story.

Still DGAF

Posted by: MJ at May 12, 2020 12:02 PM (gAMkn)

434 I've decided to do a study on the three versions of Oliver Stone's Alexander.

The failure fascinates me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:02 PM (LvTSG)

435 Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms has blamed Trump for the killing.

I'm waiting for our mayor to chime in as well.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (ptqGC)

436 >>CBD is a moron, and not in a good way. Arbery, black trespasser/jogger, went out of his way to attack McMichael, the white man with the shotgun who wanted to stop him for questioning.

So that's the new rule? If you are out walking in my neighborhood I can roll up on you with a shotgun and you must submit to my questioning?

Cool.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (ZLI7S)

437 Oh good grief. Liz Warren chiming in.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (ptqGC)

438 Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (wh9C3)

You seem to be a mind reader...you know what everyone was thinking that day?

Pretty damned impressive.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (dLLD6)

439 I have no comment on vigilantism.

But I do think there's room for a"punchable face law."

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (fJ/iF)

440 Black racists, like Bottoms, are fascinating.

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (zr5Kq)

441 Also, I haven't seen it mentioned on this thread, but the McMichaels are former cops and work as investigators for the prosecutors' office. It's not like they're some randos -- if the argument is that only police have the wisdom to use force, these are those guys. Unless they only have special wisdom while on duty.

And FOUR prosecutors declined to bring charges; the state and the feds had to step in. So, you have two formre LEOs who are following the law for a citizens arrest and the burglar gets shot while grabbing for a gun. I'm just not seeing the major issue here. Race is the reason for the publicity. But, assuming we even heard of this story, I wouldn't start crying just because the criminal is white. "Oh, my house got broken in by a white guy? Whew! I almost got upset, but now I'm fine. No harm, no foul."

Posted by: sunny-dee at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (Z2HD7)

442 Argle burglee dompy poo

Posted by: mGrant at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (mMVt4)

443 436 >>CBD is a moron, and not in a good way. Arbery, black trespasser/jogger, went out of his way to attack McMichael, the white man with the shotgun who wanted to stop him for questioning.

So that's the new rule? If you are out walking in my neighborhood I can roll up on you with a shotgun and you must submit to my questioning?

Cool.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (ZLI7S)

==========

Have you ever picked your feet in Poughkeepsie?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

444 My husband is attempting to eat lunch while listening to Fauci.

Not going well.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (ptqGC)

445 Can't imagine anyone mistaking you for a liberal troll.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 12, 2020 11:58 AM (sI15f)

LOL, I know right? Sarcasm was rarer back then (seriously), but I couldn't have been any plainer with him once he started attacking.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (uEbPt)

446 Breyer is going to lead the Majority in striking down the House subpoenas.

RBG is going to write the dissent.

Trump is going to win.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

I hope youre right

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (Ed8Zd)

447 People better wake up. Some stats have plans to keep this virus stuff going right into the fall. They want your kids tracked, masked and tested as a precondition to go back to school. They want this to be a trial run for a future for whenever they declare it, they whip out this tactic and put you under their thumb.

The Chinese has to be laughing their asses off at Democrats.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (VpIIl)

448 160
If I am an innocent jogger and two guys pull guns on me, I am going to try to grab one of the guns because that is tactically better than trying to outrun bullets from two guns. The one I am grappling with can't shoot me, and the other one can't shoot because he might hit his partner.

Posted by: Chuck C at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM

I'd say the real-world results of this encounter do not support this course of action.

Posted by: Grimaldi at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (Of/Uk)

449 Funny haha story. IL Gov Pritzger has a summer mansion here on Lake Geneva WI. Rumor is, Lake Geneva is going to close roads coming from Illinois into LG. Not sure if they can do that, but I'd love to see Pritzger lose his summer retreat. Stay home and shelter in place, FatBoy.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (lwiT4)

450 Now if the "jogger" pulled a gun on them, then blast away.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (Tnijr)

451 CBD, I'm with you on the Arbery killing. An unarmed
(and presumably innocent) man is dead and I have yet to see a good
reason for that.

Almost as bad, authorities evidently did
everything in their power to excuse the killers. And now conservatives'
biggest whine is that it's somehow "unfair" that the story is being
told. The right isn't coming off well here.

Posted by: creeper at May 12, 2020 11:56 AM (XxJt1)Thanks for summing up the inanity of your position for me.
First of all, your takeaway is political ("the right isn't coming off well here"), and as such you don't actually have the moral high ground you claim to have, in which everyone who disagrees with you is automatically a vigilante justice-supporting racist. You don't give a damn about Ahmaud Arbery, you care about high-level political ramifications.
Secondly, since leftists serially misrepresent situations like this, think Mike Brown as an easy example, it is not "evident" that authorities "excuse[d]" the killers. Nothing about this case is evident until there's been an actual court case, because this is a serious situation that bad-faith actors, on the right AND the left, are attempting to leverage for political gain.
"And now conservatives'
biggest whine is that it's somehow "unfair" that the story is being
told."
What a weaselly crock of shit sentence. Please see post 384 for why this politics of anecdote piss-and-moan act is bullshit. CONCERN TORLL

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (8IQhD)

452 As I recall the officer assaulted by Gentle Giant Michael Brown also stayed in his vehicle. Consequently the Gentle Giant attempted to reach through the open window and wrestle his firearm away.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (BRpqW)

453 So that's the new rule? If you are out walking in my neighborhood I can roll up on you with a shotgun and you must submit to my questioning?

Cool.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (ZLI7S)

This is much more a case of hot pursuit than "rolling up on a random jogger".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (LZcDP)

454 435 Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms has blamed Trump for the killing.

I'm waiting for our mayor to chime in as well.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (ptqGC

Cool. I blame the Atlanta Mayor for a gas station robbery in Seattle.

This is fun.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (9oAtN)

455 My god this guy is as dumb as the "jogger" that grabbed a gun that was pointed at him. Youre not a Conservative, youre a confused anti American.

Posted by: fisht at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (g5ddn)

456 This comments-section argument rates right up there with 'Is a hot dog a sandwich?' over at NRO. Y'all should just give each other a tongue bath and plan a cruise together.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (MZrBi)

457 then Freddie in Baltimore, murdered by cops? no,
tried to bang his own head to collect a payment for abuse ... something
went wrong.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 12:02 PM

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For the life of me I can't figure out why they had no cameras in those trucks.

Every Cop there has a body cam and every cruiser has one going all of the time, but for whatever lame a$$ reason they did not have cameras in those paddy wagons.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (JUOKG)

458 Wait, there is actually a mayor named Bottoms?

Posted by: Northernlurker at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (Uu+Jp)

459 Doesn't Texas have defense along the lines of "that guy just needed killing,

or is that just one of those tall tales told to bamboozle us yankees?
Posted by: moon_over_vermont

Tall tale told BY yankees to make us look like rubes.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (8mOxN)

460 I think they're referring to an unpleasant incident
on the blog a few years ago. Treacher came on here roaring drunk and abusive."

LOL - I gave up drunk posting many, many years ago, and NEVER did it here. It's a lot like stumbling into a biker bar and threatening to kick everyone's asses.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (trdmm)

461 I'm wondering why we are having hearings about the handling of the China virus while we are in the middle of the ... china virus... Shouldn't they wait? I know..... politics

Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (Zmnko)

462 And FOUR prosecutors declined to bring charges; the
state and the feds had to step in. So, you have two formre LEOs who are
following the law for a citizens arrest and the burglar gets shot while
grabbing for a gun. I'm just not seeing the major issue here. Race is
the reason for the publicity. But, assuming we even heard of this story,
I wouldn't start crying just because the criminal is white. "Oh, my
house got broken in by a white guy? Whew! I almost got upset, but now
I'm fine. No harm, no foul."

Posted by: sunny-dee at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (Z2HD7)
You'll be ignored, this information is always ignored.

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (8IQhD)

463 There's a whole lot of crying in base a ball.
Usually right after the first pitch of the season when the Indians are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2020 12:01 PM (8mOxN)

rickb223, this is not the 70's, nor the 80's.

#retirethetrope

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (gD6Ka)

464 Continued prayers please for an incredible, young sister in the Lord who is like a daughter to me.

Having very hard time with childbirth.

Posted by: TeeJ at May 12, 2020 12:02 PM (l1wsb)

I saw that on an earlier thread TeeJ. Will pray. Let us know.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (lwiT4)

465 We don't know what happened to start the confrontation. The coconspirator with the camera pans away at just the right time.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (dNzKv)

466 Oh good grief. Liz Warren chiming in.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 202

Trying to remind people shes still alive?

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (Ed8Zd)

467
Funny haha story. IL Gov Pritzger has a summer mansion here on Lake
Geneva WI. Rumor is, Lake Geneva is going to close roads coming from
Illinois into LG. Not sure if they can do that, but I'd love to see
Pritzger lose his summer retreat. Stay home and shelter in place,
FatBoy.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (lwiT4)

Isn't his wife at their mansion in FL? How many houses do they own?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (ptqGC)

468 If you are out walking in my neighborhood

But that wasn't what he was doing. He was breaking into homes in the neighborhood. There was video of him doing it. There were witnesses of him doing it. There were calls to the police about him at that time.

So why change what he was doing? Because if you describe what he was doing in reality, it makes what the McMichaels did seem more reasonable (or at least less crazy).

Posted by: sunny-dee at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (Z2HD7)

469 Moral of the Story - Never Go Full Obama.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (7iLKU)

470 A prudent course of non-action.
Posted by: tubal
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Strictly as an aside, the Hammer Motto: Action Through Inaction!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (hnA3K)

471 466 Oh good grief. Liz Warren chiming in.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 202

Trying to remind people shes still alive?
Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (Ed8Zd)

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If rumors are to be believed, she's in the running to be Biden's VP pick.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (LvTSG)

472 422 I've been watching a lot of old World Series games on yootoobe via the mlb vault channel. Last night was game 7 of the '60 version, Pirates v Yankees. Pitchers didn't screw around much back in the day, just toed up and threw, and I enjoy watching Yogi and a bunch of others still swinging around a few bats right before getting in the box and a kid having to follow them all the way up there. Oh and lots of suits and smokes in the seats.
Posted by: jhawk90

I have that game on DVD. Old Forbes Field, The Maz breaking the Yankee's hearts, young whippersnappers like Roberto Clemente, great Pirates like Vern Law, Bill Virdon, etc. (sigh) The Pittsburgh Pirates used to matter.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (b+e6V)

473 Prayers up TeeJ.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (a4EWo)

474 >Posted by: TeeJ

I said a prayer

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (iTXRQ)

475 So that's the new rule? If you are out walking in my
neighborhood I can roll up on you with a shotgun and you must submit to
my questioning?

Cool.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:03 PM (ZLI7S)
Bingo.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (e284m)

476 What?!? What's this about designated hitters? What?!? DH is of the debil

I fear that it is inevitable. The commissioner's office of drooling clowns and idiots is all for it, along with a host of other really stupid ideas.

When that shit happened that night with EoJ here, he made himself look even stupider, but it didn't remotely surprise me.

Like alot of us, sadly, Treacher is his own worst enemy

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (KZzsI)

477 >>This is much more a case of hot pursuit than "rolling up on a random jogger".

Probably. And not a single person here actually knows what that " much more" is.

But you don't just get to pull up on some guy with a multiple guns and demand he submits to your questioning. Or you can give it a shot and see how it works out for you but I don't think it will end well.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)

478 People better wake up. Some stats have plans to keep this virus stuff going right into the fall. They want your kids tracked, masked and tested as a precondition to go back to school. They want this to be a trial run for a future for whenever they declare it, they whip out this tactic and put you under their thumb.

The Chinese has to be laughing their asses off at Democrats.
Posted by: Marcus T

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Yup. This whole thing has been a test run of "Let's see what we can get away with if we keep screaming 'emergency situation' over and over."

For government.

For big tech.

For mainstream media.

And the answer is: The can get away with just about anything.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (fJ/iF)

479 @TeeJ - praying. Y'all prayed for me and I'm alive because of it. There is power and love in prayer, and I will pray God shows his mercy and grace.

Posted by: sunny-dee at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (Z2HD7)

480 I'm wondering why we are having hearings about the
handling of the China virus while we are in the middle of the ... china
virus... Shouldn't they wait? I know..... politics

Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM

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Impeachment Part Duex.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (JUOKG)

481 If rumors are to be believed, she's in the running to be Biden's VP pick.
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Is Biden that weak with wine moms?

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (7iLKU)

482 He was not robbing their house, he did not confront them on the street. They armed themselves and gave chase for no reason.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 12, 2020 12:01 PM (dNzKv)
And you're not allowed to talk about it, white man.

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (8IQhD)

483 The Indians are still shitty.

Posted by: Asian Groundskeeper Guy at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (MZrBi)

484 Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 12, 2020 12:00 PM (wh9C3)

The fact that they cut him off a couple of times with the truck proves they weren't trying to kill him, or they would have just blasted him in the back. They were trying to subdue him, not kill him, and if he hadn't grabbed the gun he would be alive today, but probably in the county jail.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (50gG9)

485 481 If rumors are to be believed, she's in the running to be Biden's VP pick.
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Is Biden that weak with wine moms?
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (7iLKU)

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He must pick a woman because reasons.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (LvTSG)

486 If it's the same one, I think I saw video of the shooting. Pickup truck, etc etc.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (4k/Uz)

487 Trayvon Martin.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (ysC0S)

488 I've been watching a lot of old World Series games on yootoobe via the mlb vault channel. Last night was game 7 of the '60 version, Pirates v Yankees. Pitchers didn't screw around much back in the day, just toed up and threw, and I enjoy watching Yogi and a bunch of others still swinging around a few bats right before getting in the box and a kid having to follow them all the way up there. Oh and lots of suits and smokes in the seats.

I love MLB Vault, for that and many other reasons.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (KZzsI)

489 Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (lwiT4)

I would imagine from what I hear about Pritzger, that he'll just go there anyway-kind of like Chris Christie sitting on the beach when the beaches were closed.

I read today that Pritzger said churches may need to be closed for a year?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (bW1Yb)

490 OK had to do some work...how are the hearings going

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (85Gof)

491 @TeeJ

Prayers for the Mom and Baby

Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (Zmnko)

492 So the real reason for this local news story to go national is that it is proof that violating the national lockdown will result in death.

If that is not it I got no fricken idea why anyone in NYC or LA would give a rat's ass about it unless for pure agitprop... but I guess that would true if it was Kung Flu too.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (1g7ch)

493 Fauci knee-capping Trump. He really wants to see a continued shutdown.

And SHUT UP Liz Warren. She and Fauci seem to be fans of each other.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (ptqGC)

494 This is much more a case of hot pursuit than "rolling up on a random jogger".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (LZcDP)

There was no "hot pursuit" in the Georgia case, the suspects have already admitted that was a lie. The first DA put that in as a justification as to why he didn't press any charges, and now he's going to be explaining why he did that to the Federal Prosecutor that's being hired to investigate him personally.

it's probably too late for him to just resign, but that would be a good start.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (trdmm)

495 Isn't his wife at their mansion in FL? How many houses do they own?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (ptqGC)

Three that I know of. A huge mansion here, a house in FL, and a horse farm just west of us, in Kenosha County. I think 250 acres. Oh, and then wherever they live in Illinois.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (lwiT4)

496 I wonder how many of the people who oppose vigilantism on the basis that we are a nation of laws also believe that Obama and Hillary will never see the inside of a prison.

Posted by: Methos at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (kOpft)

497 449 Funny haha story. IL Gov Pritzger has a summer mansion here on Lake Geneva WI. Rumor is, Lake Geneva is going to close roads coming from Illinois into LG. Not sure if they can do that, but I'd love to see Pritzger lose his summer retreat. Stay home and shelter in place, FatBoy.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (lwiT4)

Blockading a State would be very legally problematic, as well as functionally very difficult. Doubt it will happen, grammie. But, keeping Jabba locked out of Illinois would be a Laff Riot!!

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (bCLt0)

498 There's a whole lot of crying in base a ball.
Usually right after the first pitch of the season when the Indians are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
Posted by: rickb223

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You misspelled "Mariners."

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (fJ/iF)

499 462. Didnt this guy work with all four of the prosecutors that declined to file charges? Not saying this is the deciding detail, but it should be included. They know him and he knows them. That is important as well.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (svbBD)

500 Oh fuck the players association, the players, the owners, the commish. Fuck MLB.

I have has it with all sports

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (85Gof)

501 Wait, there is actually a mayor named Bottoms?
Posted by: Northernlurker at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (Uu+Jp)

Oh, yes. Keisha Lance Bottoms.

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (zr5Kq)

502 477 >>This is much more a case of hot pursuit than "rolling up on a random jogger".

Probably. And not a single person here actually knows what that " much more" is.

But you don't just get to pull up on some guy with a multiple guns and demand he submits to your questioning. Or you can give it a shot and see how it works out for you but I don't think it will end well.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)

Laws regarding confronting criminals and even self-defense (God save you if you're ever battered by a woman/wife) vary enormously by state. The smart play is to call the cops(unless you're being battered by your wife, protocol there is to arrest the man).

Posted by: Someguy at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (Zm+LZ)

503 "And you're not allowed to talk about it, white man."

I don't care what color he is. Stupid ex-cop did a stupid thing. I can't go around pointing a gun at people that I see committing a non-violent crime. If I could there would be a whole bunch of shot out car windows.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (Tnijr)

504 Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2020 11:37 AM (WdocV)

the mindset of Ahmaud will come into play

this is the point that most people are missing

my thoughts are this and I may be wrong

First, let's dispense with the myth that he was jogging

Ahmaud is scoping out construction site, then is spooked by something

come out front door, running at top speed

Ahmaud knows he is on probation and is afraid he has broken that probation, he's panicking. Not uncommon with people on probation, thinking they have violated that probation

he tries to avoid the McMichael's but tires

this is where you see the last vid

Ahmaud decides to make his stand

if you watch the vid, you can see thru the windshield of the truck, Ahmaud moving very quickly towards the shooter and the shooter retreating feverishly.

now the shooter may have already shot him, IDK

but the prosecution is gonna have to prove that

Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (tQbpU)

505 I read today that Pritzger said churches may need to be closed for a year?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (bW1Yb)

18-24 months. Even better.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (lwiT4)

506 "It's a local crime story. PERIOD
"

No, it is national news, it is the latest FakeNewsNarrative ... they bring out their Howitzers and soften the ground, which they assault in force in due time. So there has to be return fire, their lies exposed ... the local story became a National Meme ... as with Trayvon and the rest. ... it is their modus operandi ..

(and I don't think anyone is picking a fight, we are bringing to light more details and facts. CBD is a rational thinker ... he didn't bring up the point (I assume) to demand everyone bend the knee to his view. So we "fleshed it out".

Murder is wrong ... crime is wrong ... a suspect attacking a man legally holding a gun endangers his own life. Change the Georgia laws if the desire is that suspects should only be stopped by on duty cops. I think the law is good, and the two men were good, and the trespasser assaulter was bad.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (Cus5s)

507 Funny haha story. IL Gov Pritzger has a summer mansion here on Lake Geneva WI. Rumor is, Lake Geneva is going to close roads coming from Illinois into LG. Not sure if they can do that, but I'd love to see Pritzger lose his summer retreat. Stay home and shelter in place, FatBoy.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (lwiT4)
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I am sure the state of IL has a helicopter he can use. It's good to be the king.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (hYcqw)

508 But you don't just get to pull up on some guy with a multiple guns and demand he submits to your questioning. Or you can give it a shot and see how it works out for you but I don't think it will end well.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)

Oh, I don't think they handled it well. But neither did the dead perp. If he had let himself be arrested, he'd have most likely been back on the street inside of 48 hours, with a couple of good meals in his belly.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (LZcDP)

509 He must pick a woman because reasons.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower

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Biden "picking a woman."

There's a joke there, but I just can't put my finger in it.

ON it.

Sorry.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (fJ/iF)

510 448 160
If I am an innocent jogger and two guys pull guns on me, I am going to try to grab one of the guns because that is tactically better than trying to outrun bullets from two guns. The one I am grappling with can't shoot me, and the other one can't shoot because he might hit his partner.

Posted by: Chuck C at May 12, 2020 11:25 AM

I'd say the real-world results of this encounter do not support this course of action.
Posted by: Grimaldi

Shit. Fling shit.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (9PtLS)

511 I don't know guys, shooting joggers seems right. Dittos asshole bicyclists and sign twirlers.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (7iLKU)

512 Has anyone ever checked the weight of AL pitchers vs NL pitchers? Because almost every time the AL pitchers look rounder to me, and I'd imagine that's a side effect of not having to haul ass around the bases on a regular basis.

Posted by: pookysgirl, probably pondering what you're pondering at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (XKZwp)

513 That's a nice throwaway accusation that makes no sense. You have no appreciation for my point, maybe because you are too dumb to understand it, or too stubborn and ignorant to recognize the logic.

Either way, try to argue the merits instead of your thinly veiled contempt for the law and our rights.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:53 AM (dLLD6)

I can't recognize "logic" if you don't actually use it. The police were called, the men purportedly tried to stop the guy to help the police enforce the law. This is allowed by law in GA. They weren't sure if the suspect was armed, so they exercised their Constitutional right to bear arms themselves. It was tragic that the "jogger" looks to have attacked the man armed with a shotgun, forcing the man to legally use his right to defend himself. If you want to make a logical case that the GA citizens arrest laws weren't followed properly or that the armed men provoked the attack, fine, but that's not what you did. You just repeated the narrative of the media, who already lied about the somewhat similar Zimmerman case. Absolutely ignorant on your part, and in no way logical.

Only one showing contempt for laws and right so far is you.

Posted by: brainy435 at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (UWVw1)

514
The fact that they cut him off a couple of times with the truck proves they weren't trying to kill him, or they would have just blasted him in the back. They were trying to subdue him, not kill him, and if he hadn't grabbed the gun he would be alive today, but probably in the county jail.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (50gG9)

And as I've posted up thread, none of that matters. It's still Felony Murder under Georgia state law. If EVERYTHING they say about the dead man is completely and absolutely true, it's STILL Felony Murder. That's why they're cooked.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (trdmm)

515 @499 - yeah, I think he knows everyone (or close to everyone) in the office.

FWIW, he also knew Ahmaud Abrey. He had arrested him on the weapons charge, I think. One of the times he was arrested.

Posted by: sunny-dee at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (Z2HD7)

516 I don't care what color he is. Stupid ex-cop did a
stupid thing. I can't go around pointing a gun at people that I see
committing a non-violent crime. If I could there would be a whole bunch
of shot out car windows.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (Tnijr)Good boy, that's the right angle. No opposing view is allowed.

Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (8IQhD)

517 Fakenews is one thing, Fakecomments are another.

Posted by: nip at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (Izot6)

518 I don't know the whole story because all the evidence is not yet in, but the part of the video I saw was the the suspect fighting, throwing punches and grabbing the shotgun. It appears the suspect contributed to his own demise.

Posted by: Archer at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (gmo/4)

519 483 The Indians are still shitty.
Posted by: Asian Groundskeeper Guy at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (MZrBi)

Cheap owners, maybe. Shitty team, no!

Shitty was the 70's & 80's.

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (gD6Ka)

520 I am sure the state of IL has a helicopter he can use. It's good to be the king.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (hYcqw)

That's EXACTLY what Rev said. He'll just helicopter in.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (lwiT4)

521 We are a nation of laws, and vigilantism does not belong in America.

I have no opinion on the GA jogger case but with regards to the statement above, I used to believe that, but no longer do. The law has been twisted into an unrecognizable monstrosity by the Democrat Party and its media henchmen and is now nothing but a tyrannical weapon to use against its opponents. And I know of fewer and fewer ways to combat something like that. Elections would be one way but even those are going to be stolen right in front of our eyes. Just watch.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (qSQV7)

522 They set up an ambush. Who knows what was said as they drove past him. They pulled around a curve, blocked the road. One guy got the high ground in the back of the truck, the other was under cover at the front. That wasn't a citizens arrest.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (dNzKv)

523 He was breaking into homes in the neighborhood.
There was video of him doing it. There were witnesses of him doing it.
There were calls to the police about him at that time.

Posted by: sunny-dee at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (Z2HD7)

If you can substantiate any of this it would make your argument a bit better.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (dLLD6)

524 Yep, same video. It's on a rather creepy site so I hesitate to link to it.

Doesn't seem random to me. Does seem more than a bit wrong for them to look for the burglar, even though they are ex cops.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (4k/Uz)

525 Funny haha story. IL Gov Pritzger has a summer
mansion here on Lake Geneva WI. Rumor is, Lake Geneva is going to close
roads coming from Illinois into LG. Not sure if they can do that, but
I'd love to see Pritzger lose his summer retreat. Stay home and shelter
in place, FatBoy.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (lwiT4)

That was brought up on the AM 560 morning show and if Fatso would take his boat out on the lake. The host Dan Proft said, I didn't know they could get an aircraft carrier on that lake because that's all he could fit on. Cheap fat joke? Sure. Am I still laughing at it? Yes.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (DMos/)

526 OK had to do some work...how are the hearings going
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Not so good. Wish you were an ear guy rather than a tooth guy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (ysC0S)

527 @jeffsessions
Today, I am setting the record straight on recusal.
Read my open letter to the people of Alabama.

Tommy's got this.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (Lk/fE)

528 CBD, I'm with you on the shooting thing.

It's not the citizen's purview to chase someone down and shoot them in the back. Firearms are there to protect you if you're being threatened. If someone is running away from you and you are in a truck, I cannot think of a way in which that shooting is justified.

This is the kind of actions that will lead to the confiscation of our firearms.

Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (9V81o)

529 >>But that wasn't what he was doing. He was breaking into homes in the neighborhood. There was video of him doing it. There were witnesses of him doing it. There were calls to the police about him at that time.

Really, I haven't seen that video. Do you have a link? I still question the need to go vigilante on a guy running around in his shorts but if they have video of him doing real break-ins that would be somewhat mitigating.

The only video I've seen is him walking into a house under construction which I would venture something a lot of people here have done without someone pulling a shotgun on them.

I live in a town with little violence but we do have a number of break-ins because we have a lot of summer residents and those large, empty homes are an inviting target. There aren't a lot of people rolling with guns hunting them down.

I'll wait for more facts but it doesn't look great for the father son team from what I've seen.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (ZLI7S)

530 527 @jeffsessions
Today, I am setting the record straight on recusal.
Read my open letter to the people of Alabama.

Nice try..... Not

Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (Zmnko)

531 I have has it with all sports

I'm getting there. MLB seems determined to slit its own throat like NASCAR. Baseball has been able to claw their way back from nearly destroying themselves after former strikes and stupid scandals in the past. If they strike after this shutdown crap, I don't think MLB recovers. ESPECIALLY if they close down all those minor league teams as they plan.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (KZzsI)

532 Any word as to why these yokels are "ex" police officers?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (dNzKv)

533 Fakenews is one thing, Fakecomments are another.

Posted by: nip

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"Fake internet comments are the last refuge of the scoundrel." - Benjamin Franklin.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (fJ/iF)

534
Oh good grief. Liz Warren chiming in.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Corona virus transmitted by blankets.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (aKsyK)

535
29 Corgi puppy ate the baseboard corner this morning. No, I'm not getting her. She's in the fucking crate.

My fault entirely. She should be wearing a short leash at all times, and never out of my sight.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (+fPHo)

We have "puppy sign" on some of our baseboards as well. There's no point engaging in extensive repairs as we'll likely take on at least one more before seeking another abode.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (pNxlR)

536 On the one hand, I want Biden to take Warren, because she's so inherently unlikable.

On the other hand, if he picks Warren, she might be POTUS soon, & we'd all miss Hillary then, by comparison.

Posted by: mnw at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (Cssks)

537 OK had to do some work...how are the hearings going
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Not so good. Wish you were an ear guy rather than a tooth guy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (ysC0S)

Shit for the right price I could drill another hole in your ear?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2020 12:14 PM (85Gof)

538 536 On the one hand, I want Biden to take Warren, because she's so inherently unlikable.

On the other hand, if he picks Warren, she might be POTUS soon, & we'd all miss Hillary then, by comparison.
Posted by: mnw at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (Cssks)

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We could promise her a nicer office is she listed herself as a Republican in the register.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:14 PM (LvTSG)

539 14... Really, who is "people?"
Posted by: dagny, first of her name

Not us.

Posted by: Flyover, tired of treasonous government. at May 12, 2020 12:14 PM (Rbu5d)

540 My daughter volunteers at a community blood bank.
She is considered essential.

I'm still thinking about that...

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2020 12:14 PM (axyOa)

541 Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (lwiT4)

BTW, on another note is Rev, drafting a note to the congregation members about what he plans to do About opening for groups, etc. If so, and with his permission I'd like to see this. I see various reports but on churches opening but not about how they're handling things with correspondence.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:14 PM (bW1Yb)

542 The first and biggest legal mistake they made, and the one which dooms
them - if you pull a gun on someone in a threatening way in public (and
that's on the video), and YOU are the one who's initiated the
confrontation, and especially if the other party is unarmed - then that
is textbook Aggravated Assault. (aka Assault with a Deadly Weapon)
Remember that Assault is just the threat - battery is actual physical
harm.
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Not being sarcastic here, just curious as you seem to know the details of the law. If the law allows citizen arrests, how exactly is that supposed to happen without some form of assault occurring?

Posted by: Methos at May 12, 2020 12:14 PM (kOpft)

543 If someone is running away from you and you are in a truck, I cannot think of a way in which that shooting is justified.

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Well, there's "the challenge of it" argument.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2020 12:14 PM (fJ/iF)

544 We know shitty!

Posted by: Pittsburgh Pirates at May 12, 2020 12:15 PM (GIQ+L)

545 Really, I haven't seen that video. Do you have a link?

SOMEONE was breaking into homes, and there is a picture of him looking into a home under construction. As in, the frames are up but no walls or roof yet. That's being a bit... embellished on by some

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:15 PM (KZzsI)

546 It appears the suspect contributed to his own demise.

Posted by: Archer at May 12, 2020 12:12 PM (gmo/4)

If somebody pulls a gun on me I am going to fight back. It's not the optimal situation, but closing on the gun is the best tactic.

Or should he have gotten down on the ground and hoped that the two randos with guns were there for noble purposes?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:16 PM (dLLD6)

547 Trayvon Martin.

And Michael Brown. That one also began as 'shot execution style by white cop for walking in the middle of the street.'

More Narrative.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2020 12:16 PM (oVJmc)

548 Bucatini, also known as perciatelli, is a thick spaghetti-like pasta with a hole running through the center. The name comes from Italian: buco, meaning "hole", while bucato or its Neapolitan language variant perciato means "pierced". Bucatini is common throughout Lazio, particularly Rome.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 12:16 PM (7iLKU)

549 Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 12:04 PM (8IQhD)

*yawn*

Posted by: creeper at May 12, 2020 12:16 PM (XxJt1)

550 I am sure the state of IL has a helicopter he can use. It's good to be the king.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (hYcqw)

Helicopter? Don't know if it could lift off with him aboard. They'll need a cargo plane

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 12:16 PM (DMos/)

551 The fact that they cut him off a couple of times
with the truck proves they weren't trying to kill him, or they would
have just blasted him in the back. They were trying to subdue him, not
kill him, and if he hadn't grabbed the gun he would be alive today, but
probably in the county jail.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (50gG9)

And as I've posted up thread, none of that matters. It's still
Felony Murder under Georgia state law. If EVERYTHING they say about the
dead man is completely and absolutely true, it's STILL Felony Murder.
That's why they're cooked.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM

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I agree. This other stuff is strawman argument territory.

This is exactly like the zimmerman case when everybody was crying about the stand your ground law that Florida has which did not apply in the case but it kept coming up in nearly every news report and article being written about the case.

They even tried to get that law repealed because of the zimmerman case.

They were using the shooting as an excuse to get rid of a law they didn't like that had absolutely nothing to do with the actual case that went to trial. The defense never invoked it because it didn't apply. But they kept trying to repeal the law for years based on that shooting.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 12:16 PM (JUOKG)

552 The experts are concerned that we are not listening to them.

When you are consistently wrong about everything, and when your message is "ZOMG we're all gonna DIE!!!! we need the government to take over everything" you tend to get that.
Good afternoon roonz and roonettez, what's happening?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 12, 2020 12:17 PM (CcOog)

553 381 Ah, yes, populist outrage on behalf of billionaire, public-teat-sucking, MLB team owners...

Someone is tone-deaf, alright.
Posted by: RichieC at May 12, 2020 11:54

In a dispute between employers and a union, the default dispute is likely to side against the union. It's usually the correct stance to take today.

Posted by: Buzzion at May 12, 2020 12:17 PM (G2zl5)

554 544 We know shitty!
Posted by: Pittsburgh Pirates at May 12, 2020 12:15 PM (GIQ+L)

And that's a damn shame.

Just cheap ownership.

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 12:17 PM (gD6Ka)

555 505 I read today that Pritzger said churches may need to be closed for a year?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (bW1Yb)

18-24 months. Even better.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (lwiT4)

Religious Persecution is all this is.

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 12:17 PM (bCLt0)

556 493 Fauci knee-capping Trump. He really wants to see a continued shutdown.

And SHUT UP Liz Warren. She and Fauci seem to be fans of each other.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 12:09 PM (ptqGC)

This was the genius of Trump: Leave it to the governors who will deal with their states' population and other variables.

Posted by: Steve in SoCal at May 12, 2020 12:17 PM (Ozpxd)

557 "If the law allows citizen arrests, how exactly is that supposed to happen without some form of assault occurring?"

Physical restraint, but if I'm an ex-cop I might point my gun at some guy on the street and think I can get away with it when the average citizen would be charged with brandishing.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 12:17 PM (Tnijr)

558 "I can't recognize "logic" if you don't actually use it. The police were called, the men purportedly tried to stop the guy to help the police enforce the law."

They did NOT personally witness the man committing the alleged crime, and they did NOT follow him with an unbroken line of vision from the scene. Those are the requirements for "citizens arrest" under Georgia law. Since those were not met, what they did was clear aggravated assault.

This is why everyone with sense will advise that "Citizens Arrest" is a bad, bad, idea. If you're unarmed, you're probably going to get your ass beat. If you're armed, and your gun goes off, you're going to be charged with murder. Don't do it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (trdmm)

559 These idiots in GA tried to play vigalante and it went south. They deserve everything they have coming to them. NO where in the released police tape do the police say to help them apprehend the individual in question, who was not being sought for any crime.

What they did was indefensible

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (85Gof)

560 We know shitty!
Posted by: Pittsburgh Pirates

"Yeah get back to us on that"
--The Seattle Mariners, only team without a world series ring in MLB even after over 40 years

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (KZzsI)

561 >>SOMEONE was breaking into homes, and there is a picture of him looking into a home under construction. As in, the frames are up but no walls or roof yet. That's being a bit... embellished on by some

I noticed.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (ZLI7S)

562 So when will the DOJ release the stuff Grenell gave them? I hope Grenell kept copies....

Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (Zmnko)

563 Good afternoon roonz and roonettez, what's happening?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 12, 2020 12:17 PM (CcOog)

A debate about complex legal technicalities. Some moral arguing too, but mostly the former.

Posted by: Someguy at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (Zm+LZ)

564 I'm getting there. MLB seems determined to slit its own throat like NASCAR.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (KZzsI)
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I stopped on some sort of e-race thing over the weekend and they had gone to old North Wilkesboro Speedway and "restored" it to its past glory digitally to do an e-race. It was really cool seeing it for a bit and then it just made me sad.

Posted by: jhawk90 at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (/ZYFC)

565 11 Posted by: GMan at May 12, 2020 11:04 AM (sxq57)

Classical felons are on a "catch and release" license right now, they need the jail room for barbers, and hikers.
Democrats are going to learn prison is not to keep the criminals away from society so much as it is to keep society from the crook.

Posted by: sven at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (oRLRa)

566
Shit for the right price I could drill another hole in your ear?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Not a lot to lose at this point.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (830x5)

567 I was drunk posting on an ONT a few months ago.

IIRC I was on the rooftop preparing for the zombie apocalypse.

sorry if I offended anyone.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (d7Ww2)

568 If somebody pulls a gun on me I am going to fight back. It's not the optimal situation, but closing on the gun is the best tactic.
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If that someone was known to you as a police officer you'd be dead. This is what happened. Never wrestle with a shotgun from a guy you knew was a cop. Even Hollywood isn't dumb enough to sell that. Duh.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (7iLKU)

569 516 I don't care what color he is. Stupid ex-cop did a
stupid thing. I can't go around pointing a gun at people that I see
committing a non-violent crime. If I could there would be a whole bunch
of shot out car windows.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (Tnijr)Good boy, that's the right angle. No opposing view is allowed.
Posted by: ghost of kari at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (8IQhD)

If your comment were on any way true Kari you wouldn't be posting them.

Posted by: Buzzion at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (G2zl5)

570 @JackStraw, no I've seen the video of the shooting (which was blocked by the truck mostly, but I think it's the only one of the shooting). The video is from the construction site, at least going by the (totally accurate) news reports.

And, FYI, in my old neighborhood, they installed fences, lights, and video around all construction sites because of the insane amount of theft from the sites - at one point, someone cut through the chain link and loaded the entire back of his truck with tools that were onsite. Yes, I have wandered around construction sites to look at the cool new house. However, that doesn't mean that that is the only type of person who goes into a construction site.

Posted by: sunny-dee at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (Z2HD7)

571 But that has nothing to do with anything. I have granted the possibility that the guy was a thug. "Jogger/burglar" is a serious phrase.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:48 AM (dLLD6)

I don't see an initial felony -- He was witnessed inside a house under construction, and left without carrying anything away from the house. So it's not burglary.

It's trespassing, and that's a misdemeanor. And his past has nothing to do with the event.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (Z4rgH)

572
If somebody pulls a gun on me I am going to fight back. It's not the optimal situation, but closing on the gun is the best tactic.

I'd say that all but guarantees you'll get shot.

As we see.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (oVJmc)

573 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:16 PM (dLLD6)

I think people are reflexively defending or offering up other explanations because of the media.

I agree with you CBD. You dont fucking chase down a dude if no crime has been committed.

Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (kuLb4)

574 Nurse, there is no offense where none is taken.

All good.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (4k/Uz)

575 Only one showing contempt for laws and right so far is you.

Posted by: brainy435 at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (UWVw1)

I cut the regular commenters a lot of slack, but you aren't one of them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (dLLD6)

576 BTW, on another note is Rev, drafting a note to the
congregation members about what he plans to do About opening for groups,
etc. If so, and with his permission I'd like to see this. I see various
reports but on churches opening but not about how they're handling
things with correspondence.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:14 PM (bW1Yb)

Yes! He is actually leading a Bible Study at church right now - first in nearly two months. Then we have a proposal for the board we'll present tonight. It's in two documents. Do you want me to send them to you?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (lwiT4)

577 And as I've posted up thread, none of that matters.
It's still Felony Murder under Georgia state law. If EVERYTHING they
say about the dead man is completely and absolutely true, it's STILL
Felony Murder. That's why they're cooked.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:11 PM (trdmm)

Tell that to the jury. He creeped around a housed that was being renovated at night, and then ran when he was caught doing it during the day. If you don't want shot then don't do dodgy shit. Young black men seem to have a problem understanding that. Perhaps it's because they don't have a father to teach it to them.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (50gG9)

578 "I don't care whether he was burgling every house on the block. Chasing him down in a vehicle and then shooting him was not their job."

Former investigator might have felt differently.
And they only shot him when he tried to take the shotgun away from one of them.
Not to mention they also called 911 - twice.
I finally got around to reading about this one today, but this isn't shaping up to be the execution we are being sold.

Posted by: Inogame at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (+2xjH)

579 Sorry, bro.
We are not a nation of laws. If we were, Flynn would be running the FBI and James Comey would be in jail.
Don't you read the news?

Posted by: superspreader at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (OJ0zz)

580 Tim Kaine is asshoe.

That is all.

Posted by: Marybeth at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (4pK1/)

581 LOL - I gave up drunk posting many, many years ago,
and NEVER did it here. It's a lot like stumbling into a biker bar and
threatening to kick everyone's asses.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:05 PM (trdmm)

LONG LIVE KING GEORGE

Posted by: The Patriot at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (kOpft)

582 >>>Also, get rid of the infield fly rule.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May

Please show your work.

Posted by: Turn Two at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (rKsgt)

583 559 Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2020 12:18 PM (85Gof)

They should have reported the fine young individual for "COVID 19 Lockdown Breaking fun."
Here is SW Louisiana the law enforcers are out harassing "too crowded vehicles" going out to enjoy the parks and river.

Posted by: sven at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (oRLRa)

584 By the way this story shows the power of narrative. Compare...

A) Local black man out for a jog. Gets chased down by two armed white men who then shoot the unarmed man for no reason.

B) Ex-cop catches neighborhood burglar in the act. Tries to hold him until the cops can arrive....but the burglar attacks his son and gets shot.

I bet you almost everyone will find their narrative "most true" based on whether they feel this was justified or not....and the media will certainly push the former.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (WdocV)

585 I read today that Pritzger said churches may need to be closed for a year?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (bW1Yb)

18-24 months. Even better.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (lwiT4)

A Baptist church in Elgin said it will resume services this Sunday. No one under 65, masks and social distancing. Let's see what Fatso will do

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (DMos/)

586 If someone points a shotgun at you, you have three choices: Freeze, Flee, or Fight.

Any one will get you killed.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (Lk/fE)

587 557 "If the law allows citizen arrests, how exactly is that supposed to happen without some form of assault occurring?"

Physical restraint, but if I'm an ex-cop I might point my gun at some guy on the street and think I can get away with it when the average citizen would be charged with brandishing.
Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 12:17 PM (Tnijr)

"Citizens Arrest" in Georgia is ONLY allowed if you personally witness the crime being committed, and if you attempt to detain the person you witnessed committing the crime at the scene. These guys did not meet that standard.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (trdmm)

588 I'd say that all but guarantees you'll get shot.

As we see.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (oVJmc)

It's an awful situation, and I hope none of us ever have to make the decision to submit or fight.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:21 PM (dLLD6)

589 Tim Kain is a MASSIVE sucker of cock.

Posted by: SturmToddler at May 12, 2020 12:21 PM (+NdM9)

590 "SOMEONE was breaking into homes, and there is a picture of him looking into a home under construction."

I have mentioned before that someone stole the wiring out of my MIL's house when it was being built. If I had come upon the criminals in the act I would have called the cops and taken pictures and notes, and maybe even followed them in a vehicle, but I wouldn't pull a gun on them and detain them unless they were on my property. That would be stupid.

Posted by: freaked at May 12, 2020 12:22 PM (Tnijr)

591 So I'm buying a KelTec KS7.

As soon as I am allowed to leave the house for nonessentials, or something.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at May 12, 2020 12:22 PM (4k/Uz)

592 571 But that has nothing to do with anything. I have granted the possibility that the guy was a thug. "Jogger/burglar" is a serious phrase.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 11:48 AM (dLLD6)

I don't see an initial felony -- He was witnessed inside a house under construction, and left without carrying anything away from the house. So it's not burglary.

It's trespassing, and that's a misdemeanor. And his past has nothing to do with the event.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (Z4rgH)

They wouldn't have necessarily known that though and knowledge and intent can be a key component in establishing criminal liability. Tom Servo presumably knows the most about how the liability aspect works out though.

Posted by: Someguy at May 12, 2020 12:22 PM (Zm+LZ)

593
B) Ex-cop catches neighborhood burglar in the act. Tries to hold him until the cops can arrive....but the burglar attacks his son and gets shot.

I bet you almost everyone will find their narrative "most true" based on whether they feel this was justified or not....and the media will certainly push the former."

My entire point is that under Georgia State law, Narrative B is still Felony Murder. That's why this is a slam-dunk conviction.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:22 PM (trdmm)

594 A Baptist church in Elgin said it will resume
services this Sunday. No one under 65, masks and social distancing.
Let's see what Fatso will do

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (DMos/)

Bad optics handcuffing ladies in the choir.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:22 PM (lwiT4)

595 "Citizens Arrest" in Georgia is ONLY allowed if you
personally witness the crime being committed, and if you attempt to
detain the person you witnessed committing the crime at the scene.
These guys did not meet that standard.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (trdmm)

WRONG There is a second condition.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (50gG9)

596 The only video I've seen is him walking into a house under construction which I would venture something a lot of people here have done without someone pulling a shotgun on them.

I live in a town with little violence but we do have a number of break-ins because we have a lot of summer residents and those large, empty homes are an inviting target. There aren't a lot of people rolling with guns hunting them down.

I'll wait for more facts but it doesn't look great for the father son team from what I've seen.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (ZLI7S)

It would never occur to me to enter a construction site, if I didn't have a clear purpose to do so.

Especially when no one else is around.

More often than not, ANYONE walking through a construction site after hours is there to try to get their hands on copper wire, or power tools laying around.

Having not seen any videos here, was this at night?

If so, the odds this was someone trying to case the joint for burgling to up quite a bit. Especially if the guy has, you know, a history of burgling.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (hku12)

597 I liken this story to Obama who unwisely grabbed Trump's shotgun after trying to steal an election from him. Seems to be a pattern here.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (7iLKU)

598 587. Tom Servo, love the analysis. A pretty solid crim defense attorney I know in ATL agrees with you completely.

But, too many people want their narrative, and omit facts to make it fit.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (svbBD)

599 Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (lwiT4)

That would be great, if it's o.k. with him.

Is your larger denomination still saying not to have services or they're leaving it up to the pastors?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (bW1Yb)

600 It's sad really to see people locked into ideological stances instead of thinking about the logical application of the law.

I'll think about the logical application of the law when the law is actually being applied.
Posted by: GMan at May 12, 2020 11:07 AM (sxq57)

I agree. Also when laws are enforced equally. Don't see that either anymore. Our complacency toward both of these elements of American justice have been disregarded for social justice. I will not participate in this destruction.

If the body politic and the judiciary insist on the destruction of American law then the people will enforce their own laws however ugly that might get.

Posted by: Sooner at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (Fs5vw)

601 When my new house was being built, I walked through the site after hours all the time.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (4k/Uz)

602 573 Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (kuLb4)

Right and I was raised you do not creep around on other people's property in the dark, bonus points for doing so when law enforcement has made it quite clear to the people "bro you're on your own we need to serve no knocks on barber shops."
It is a tragedy, prosecute the idiots but a lot like the initial response here to the Saint Trayvon saga you have a lot of people reflexively taking the deseased's defense when sh*t is probably more messy and nuanced like life often is.
If it winds up being a righteous shoot so be it, and if as it looks to me you have overzealous vigilantism prosecute the SOBs.
There problem solved.

Posted by: sven at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (oRLRa)

603 If Dem governors keep up with the shutdowns there's no way they avoid a bloodbath come November.

Come to think of it, I wonder which of these Branch Covidians will have to face the voters then. Are these the safe seats locking us down?

Posted by: creeper at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (XxJt1)

604 Lotta new nics eh? or is it me.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (e284m)

605 "If they thought he was stealing, call the cops."

Waste of time. Might as well call Dominoes Pizza. We had a string of car breakins over here, same perp once a week. One resident actually got the perp's identity via security ca. Called the cops and they still wouldn't arrest or even question him.

I disagree with the OP. In the beginning, the Police were meant as a backup to citizens enforcing the law, not the primary responders.

It WAS their job to chase down the perp. Where they went wrong was killing him. The penalty for robbery is not execution.

Posted by: Fen at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (WE806)

606 I don't like the infield fly rule either. First off like a balk few really understand it. Second, its a chance for the defense to screw up which makes for exciting baseball. Third, its an automatic call which has nothing at all to do with the skill or ability of the players. Like the "signal a base on balls" its a crap rule.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (KZzsI)

607 595. They would need "immediate knowledge"

The arrestor must also only apply "reasonable force" for what its worth.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (svbBD)

608 Also, get rid of the infield fly rule.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2020 11:51 AM

A rule that has been in effect since 1901? Sure. Why not.

Posted by: Chuck C at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (r6GXX)

609 Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (50gG9)

So it's worth to chase a dude down who at worst committed a misdemeanor?

I'd chase him off, call the cops, give them a description and ask for more drivethrus of the neighborhood

Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (kuLb4)

610 564 I'm getting there. MLB seems determined to slit its own throat like NASCAR.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:13 PM (KZzsI)
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I stopped on some sort of e-race thing over the weekend and they had gone to old North Wilkesboro Speedway and "restored" it to its past glory digitally to do an e-race. It was really cool seeing it for a bit and then it just made me sad.
Posted by: jhawk90

I've been watching old Winston Cup races at North Wilkesboro on Y-Tube. It really was a fine half mile racetrack. Pretty part of NC too.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (b+e6V)

611 Oh good grief. Liz Warren chiming in.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 202

Trying to remind people shes still alive?
Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2020 12:06 PM (Ed8Zd)

=========

If rumors are to be believed, she's in the running to be Biden's VP pick.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020

*
*

Like Cankles, Warren's too unlikeable to make pres. on her own, so she's going to sneak in the back way.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (rpbg1)

612 Oooh fly by's ...

Single military jet, north to south, just over downtown Buffalo.

Haven't seen that type of activity around here, except for air shows.

Usually anything done by the Niagara Falls air base stays up there.

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (gD6Ka)

613 Tom Servo, love the analysis. A pretty solid crim defense attorney I know in ATL agrees with you completely.

But, too many people want their narrative, and omit facts to make it fit.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM

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Big problem is we don't have all of the facts and "we" never will.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (JUOKG)

614 I read today that Pritzger said churches may need to be closed for a year?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (bW1Yb)

18-24 months. Even better.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (lwiT4)

link?

Posted by: Methos at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (kOpft)

615 If somebody pulls a gun on me I am going to fight back. It's not the optimal situation, but closing on the gun is the best tactic.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:16 PM (dLLD6)

Just asking but have you ever done such a thing ?

I've been in similar situations and the thought of grabbing the gun never enter my mind.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (tQbpU)

616 I read today that Pritzger said churches may need to be closed for a year?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:08 PM (bW1Yb)

18-24 months. Even better.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:10 PM (lwiT4)

Religious Persecution is all this is.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 12:17 PM (bCLt0)

It fills my heart with sorrow that I see so few examples of church leadership standing up to this. The fact that freedom of speech and freedom to worship are the first amendment is not by happenstance. I don't believe they are in that position based on the wisdom and intent of our founding fathers . They were merely instruments. Our Lord and Saviour is the author. He gave us these rights as a gift so that his church might prosper for awhile and sadly, I feel as though many are viewing that gift as a mere trinket.

Posted by: Sock Monkey..safety off at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (hX3V/)

617 601 Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (4k/Uz)

It is your property I did the same thing when I built my house in Indiana....
You know what I would not have done had my neighbor called LE or yelled at me?
Fled, tried to take the shotgun while we waited for LE, or shown my a**.
If this is a failure it was a team failure.

Posted by: sven at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (oRLRa)

618 CA-25:

If the GOP guy wins (Garcia), it will likely be a 5-month rental, thanks to cheat-by-mail in November.

Also, since the special is a vote-by-mail election (almost entirely, but not quite), we won't know the result for days, probably.

Posted by: mnw at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (Cssks)

619 This happened two months ago. Why is this news front and center now ?

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (zr5Kq)

620 The bottom line, I think, is that they were trying to pretend they were on-duty cops. They weren't, and something went wrong, and a man died. Now they're going to pay the price for pretending they were cops.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (trdmm)

621

Thank you grammie, DDS, DB, sunny-Dee and any I've missed.
I'm a bit of a wreck right now.

How close are we?
She got married in a quite small church.
Some cousins, all from area, had to watch from outside sanctuary.
She insisted I be in there.
They all knew me. Most understood. Others...?

Posted by: TeeJ at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (l1wsb)

622 613. Its not really a big problem at all, as we are not on the jury.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (svbBD)

623 Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (hku12)

From what I understand it wasn't a new construction, but a renovation, and the family might have still been living there, but I haven't heard a legit source on that. He was also on video creeping around on more than one occasion, and at night.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:26 PM (50gG9)

624 Any Democrat Senator:

"Doctors, would you agree with me that Trump totally fucked this up and is responsible for every single Wuhan death?"

I'm paraphrasing.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2020 12:26 PM (+fPHo)

625 And now you're all pissy 'cause I dared talk to you the way you talked to me. Cements the virtue signaling charge. Ban me, tf do I care?. Just proves you're everything this site claims to hate.

Posted by: brainy435 at May 12, 2020 12:26 PM (UWVw1)

626 Is your larger denomination still saying not to have services or they're leaving it up to the pastors?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (bW1Yb)

They have gone underground from what I can see. Of course, I don't see everything, but I asked Rev if he's gotten guidance or emails regarding holding services or opening up? Nothing. They are hiding under their beds, as are our Elders. Talk about a bunch of frightened old Karens. They will never make it through the Tribulation,, that;s for sure. I'll send you those attachments.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:26 PM (lwiT4)

627 I've had a gun pulled on me. I ran.

Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 12, 2020 12:26 PM (kuLb4)

628 I pay no attention to sports writing or ESPN now that there are no live sports, but is anyone discussing what will happen to all college sports if the NCAA cancels football season? The effect on Title IX sports from the lack of revenue will be devastating. Sure, places like Stanford will still subsidize all of their "Olympic" sports (read revenue-negative), because that's where they win their championships. But who will they play against? Who's footing that bill if there's no football or basketball revenue?

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at May 12, 2020 12:26 PM (uhPTO)

629 One of the interesting things about the shooting case.

Does it MATTER if they were Cops, vs Uniformed Armed Security Guards, vs non uniformed armed security guards, vs Private Investigators, vs normal legally armed civilians.

Everyone here seems to believe there should be different standards for behavior for those separate groups, but WHAT are they.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 12, 2020 12:26 PM (NgKpN)

630 Just asking but have you ever done such a thing ?

I've been in similar situations and the thought of grabbing the gun never enter my mind.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (tQbpU)

Never...and I am very happy about that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (dLLD6)

631 When are all the experts going to start pointing out all the predictions they got right?

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (QLUrq)

632 589 Tim Kain is a MASSIVE sucker of cock.
Posted by: SturmToddler

Unfortunately, Virginia has no shortage of those in power right now. He's just one of them.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (b+e6V)

633 >>It would never occur to me to enter a construction site, if I didn't have a clear purpose to do so.

>>Especially when no one else is around.

From my experience you are the exception not the rule.

I bought my house from the builder as a spec house. After moving in my neighbors had a little cocktail party to welcome me. Every single one at the part came up to tell me how they like the layout of my place because they walked through it during construction.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (ZLI7S)

634 Enough already with the georgia shooting... People are gonna have their own opinions....

Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (Zmnko)

635 I agree entirely with Servo's analysis, & I was in that line of work for 40 years.

Posted by: mnw at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (Cssks)

636 Cellphone video was leaked online last week. Who took it and why leak now. Was this video given to authorities prior to leaking online?

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (zr5Kq)

637 Sciatica Stretch Granny!

Posted by: wth at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (v0R5T)

638 When my new house was being built, I walked through the site after hours all the time.

Yeah I like to do that in homes being built. I like to imagine how they are laid out, see how the construction is being done, enjoy the craftsmanship on display. But its also possible he was just looking for stuff to steal, and in that neighborhood, probably not the wisest thing to do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (KZzsI)

639 I don't like the infield fly rule either. First off like a balk few really understand it. Second, its a chance for the defense to screw up which makes for exciting baseball. Third, its an automatic call which has nothing at all to do with the skill or ability of the players. Like the "signal a base on balls" its a crap rule.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM

Sure, let's make any infield popup with runners on first and second, or first, second, and third into a double or triple play. That should be fun.

Posted by: Chuck C at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (r6GXX)

640 611
Like Cankles, Warren's too unlikeable to make pres. on her own, so she's going to sneak in the back way.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (rpbg1)

==========

VPs don't matter materially, only on the margins of vote totals.

I do believe that she could end up being a small millstone on the party in November, especially if Biden's being hidden for most of the race.

Warren would be the number 1 draw in most events, and she's just so thoroughly unlikable outside of the "elite" that she's going to end up pushing away the Obama-Trump voters the Democratic Party desperately needs to win the election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (LvTSG)

641 QuietMan, I live in South Elgin, what's the name of the church, I would love to go!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (Xt7n2)

642 Is the video complete ? Doctored?

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (zr5Kq)

643 619 This happened two months ago. Why is this news front and center now ?
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (zr5Kq)

This is the other part of the story, the one that might get William Barr involved. The father of the shooter was old friends with the local DA, and the local DA helped them to cover it up for 2 months.

and then the geniuses were so proud of what they had done that they poste video of themselves committing the murder and bragged about it on social media.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (trdmm)

644 As a kid I entered construction sites all the times..best place to play, but all I got was a nail in foot. Good times

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (85Gof)

645 >>I've had a gun pulled on me. I ran.

I've had a gun stuck in my face and I was rescued by a bunch of players from the KC Royals farm team.

Long story.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (ZLI7S)

646 This happened two months ago. Why is this news front and center now ?

Video went "viral" on social media

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:29 PM (KZzsI)

647 600 Posted by: Sooner at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (Fs5vw)
Correct in the absence of equally enforced law the law devolves to the people.
It is like Mexifornia where LEGAL CITIZENS are told daily "your labors are illegal now" in the wake of this virus, BUT the governor and government play games where ILLEGAL ALIENS whose very presence and labor are by definition illegal are IGNORED.
Eventually the response becomes "f*ck you" and people inflict the law themselves.

Posted by: sven at May 12, 2020 12:29 PM (oRLRa)

648 By the way this story shows the power of narrative. Compare...

A) Local black man out for a jog. Gets chased down by two armed white men who then shoot the unarmed man for no reason.

B) Ex-cop catches neighborhood burglar in the act. Tries to hold him until the cops can arrive....but the burglar attacks his son and gets shot.

I bet you almost everyone will find their narrative "most true" based on whether they feel this was justified or not....and the media will certainly push the former.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2020 12:20 PM (WdocV)

Both plausible, and nobody here knows, one way or the other.

Which is why tossing around legal sounding language is rather pointless. Even if one is a lawyer.

It's not your case.

If you are a prosecutor here, make your case. If you are the defense attorney, make yours.

In court.

Otherwise, anyone... and I do mean ANYONE in this here comments section who has already made up their minds, you are showing your ignorance.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2020 12:29 PM (hku12)

649 My husband called her and asked her that very question. She has no idea why, but is afraid now because the vicious thugs' families know her name and where she lives now. The one released on bail is wearing an ankle bracelet.

Insanity.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2020 11:20 AM (ptqGC)

That black robed tyrant should pay, out of his pocket, for 24/7 security for her until she feels 100% safe. Furthermore that Patterico level numbnuts prosecutor should get off his/her dead ass and start challenging some of this horseshit on behalf of the municipality that already failed miserably to maintain a peacefully thug free community.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 12, 2020 12:29 PM (y7DUB)

650 self defense. the burglar runs up and was trying to wrestle the shotgun from the guy.

Posted by: x at May 12, 2020 12:29 PM (nFwvY)

651 645 >>I've had a gun pulled on me. I ran.

I've had a gun stuck in my face and I was rescued by a bunch of players from the KC Royals farm team.

Long story.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (ZLI7S)

Well...

It's not like we're going anywhere.

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 12:29 PM (gD6Ka)

652 619 This happened two months ago. Why is this news front and center now ?
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (zr5Kq)

Because Obama is in trouble. Period.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (sI15f)

653 Looks like Lindsey Graham does have a few challengers for the R primary on June 9. TJM, if you're still here, take a look at Michael LaPierre. If his profile is to be believed, he's very conservative. I know it's a snowball's chance in Hades, but I'll vote for him over Graham.

Here are our US Senator choices for SC:

https://tinyurl.com/ydc8y8e8

Here's LaPierre's profile:

https://tinyurl.com/ybptb3gy

Posted by: Lady in Black, sans mask at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (O+I8R)

654 Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (ZLI7S)

I got time.

Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (kuLb4)

655 599 Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2020 12:19 PM (lwiT4)

That would be great, if it's o.k. with him.

Is your larger denomination still saying not to have services or they're leaving it up to the pastors?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2020 12:23 PM (bW1Yb)

My Baptist church here in Missouri ( I am in exile ) opened this Sunday. Spread the chairs out, no masks required, no numbers of attendees limit, no handshaking. It was wonderful to have the Body of Christ back together!!

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (bCLt0)

656 burn the fucking senate down. this whole hearing is nothing more than a fishing expedition in search of only sound bites they can use for their campaigns.

Posted by: SturmToddler at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (+NdM9)

657 >>Enough already with the georgia shooting... People are gonna have their own opinions....

You must be new here. There are arguments still going on about events that happened years ago.

We haven't begun to wear this one out yet.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (ZLI7S)

658 This is the other part of the story, the one that might get William Barr involved. The father of the shooter was old friends with the local DA, and the local DA helped them to cover it up for 2 months.

and then the geniuses were so proud of what they had done that they poste video of themselves committing the murder and bragged about it on social media.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (trdmm)

so those two posted a video themselves ?

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (zr5Kq)

659 653 Looks like Lindsey Graham does have a few challengers for the R primary on June 9. TJM, if you're still here, take a look at Michael LaPierre. If his profile is to be believed, he's very conservative. I know it's a snowball's chance in Hades, but I'll vote for him over Graham.

Here are our US Senator choices for SC:

https://tinyurl.com/ydc8y8e8

Here's LaPierre's profile:

https://tinyurl.com/ybptb3gy
Posted by: Lady in Black, sans mask at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (O+I8R)

==========

Sure, I'll vote against Graham. It's a long standing tradition for me.

I just have no hope that he'll lose.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (LvTSG)

660 When I qualified the Range master said " DOC if you turn around with a gun in your hand, I am going to shoot you". And that was the nicest thing they said all day...they do love to rag on their Navy Docs. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (85Gof)

661 Later all... I'll be back when the subject changes

Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (Zmnko)

662 657 >>Enough already with the georgia shooting... People are gonna have their own opinions....

You must be new here. There are arguments still going on about events that happened years ago.

We haven't begun to wear this one out yet.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (ZLI7S)

==========

Enough about how Hitler mismanaged World War II.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (LvTSG)

663 This happened two months ago. Why is this news front and center now ?
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:25 PM (zr5Kq)

Because Obama is in trouble. Period.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (sI15f)

You get it.

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (zr5Kq)

664 Never...and I am very happy about that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (dLLD6)

I didn't think so

And I can assure you, you wouldn't.

you seem too smart for such a dumb move

Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (tQbpU)

665 >>> Sure, let's make any infield popup with runners on first and second, or first, second, and third into a double or triple play. That should be fun.
Posted by: Chuck C at

Correct. Eliminating it essentially turns a pop-up into an automatic double/triple play. Well, maybe not down at the pee see level. But at the professional level? Absolutely.

Posted by: Turn Two at May 12, 2020 12:32 PM (rKsgt)

666 Isn't ML baseball losing money in most markets? Who gives a shit about baseball anymore? People watch the world series for something to do.

People like sports, baseball players (dumb as they are) would be smart to capitalize on this.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 12, 2020 12:32 PM (jUVms)

667 Ban me, tf do I care?.

In fairness, neither does anyone else.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 12, 2020 12:32 PM (Lk/fE)

668 you seem too smart for such a dumb move
Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (tQbpU)

CBD? Assuming facts not in evidence!
And I can say that, since he is an MOT

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2020 12:32 PM (85Gof)

669
VPs don't matter materially, only on the margins of vote totals.

I do believe that she could end up being a small millstone on the
party in November, especially if Biden's being hidden for most of the
race.

Warren would be the number 1 draw in most events, and she's just so
thoroughly unlikable outside of the "elite" that she's going to end up
pushing away the Obama-Trump voters the Democratic Party desperately
needs to win the election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM

---

Just a reminder, she couldn't win her own State in the primary. She would be a bad pick for biden or whoever replaces him.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 12:32 PM (JUOKG)

670 If Dem governors keep up with the shutdowns there's no way they avoid a bloodbath come November.

Come
to think of it, I wonder which of these Branch Covidians will have to
face the voters then. Are these the safe seats locking us down?

Posted by: creeper at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (XxJt1)

There are a lot of people who think we have to stay in our homes forever or the Covid monster will get them. They are in full support of the lock down tyrants

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2020 12:32 PM (DMos/)

671 Ha!! Found the church! I am going this Sunday!!!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (Xt7n2)

672 662 657 >>Enough already with the georgia shooting... People are gonna have their own opinions....

You must be new here. There are arguments still going on about events that happened years ago.

We haven't begun to wear this one out yet.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (ZLI7S)

==========

Enough about how Hitler mismanaged World War II.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (LvTSG)

Time to talk about the Civil War again?

Posted by: Someguy at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (Zm+LZ)

673 >This happened two months ago. Why is this news front and center now ?
Posted by: runner

reporterette asked Trump about it yesterday at his presser

I don't think presidents should comment on local crime stories

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (iTXRQ)

674 636 Cellphone video was leaked online last week. Who took it and why leak now. Was this video given to authorities prior to leaking online?
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (zr5Kq)

From the video itself it's clear that it was taken by the driver of the 2nd truck, their friend that was helping them. He's sitting in his truck while he records. Now that genius is probably going to be convicted as an accessory because of the video that HE took and leaked. (why do we know he leaked it? Who had it besides him?)

one of the secondary things that disgusts me about the shooters is that they were so incredibly stupid. They filmed themselves killing a man and then bragged about it online.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (trdmm)

675 I think that Pence helped Trump a LOT!

Before the 2016 election, Trump & evangelicals were a mighty odd couple indeed. Pence fixed that.

I also think that Pence's calm, consistent loyalty makes him an asset this time too. Two tweeters would be too many.

Posted by: mnw at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (Cssks)

676 37 @jeffsessions
Today, I am setting the record straight on recusal.
Read my open letter to the people of Alabama.

Here's a link:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybgbz78p
Posted by: IrishEi at May 12, 2020 11:08 AM (sGotD)

That's great!

Posted by: m at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (Yhl4a)

677 Ugh, just ran into a bunch of Karen's. Cancelling travel reservations next February because they are convinced Canada won't let them leave until there is a vaccine.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (Florida leading the way) at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (5p7BC)

678 Oh, fer chrissakes! My neighbor and I walked all around the house across the road that's being renovated. She wanted a closer look at the color of the paint and the type of stone surrounding the foundation because they are renovating their house, too.

I gotta go. This nastiness is no fun. Good luck, CBD. Catch ya later.

Posted by: creeper at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (XxJt1)

679 you seem too smart for such a dumb move

Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (tQbpU)

I spent 15 years learning and teaching a self-defense oriented martial art. I am familiar with the various tactics used when confronted with a weapon, so spare me the suggestion that there is one way to deal with it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (dLLD6)

680 It would never occur to me to enter a construction site, if I didn't have a clear purpose to do so.

>>Especially when no one else is around.

--------------------------
From my experience you are the exception not the rule.

I bought my house from the builder as a spec house. After moving in my neighbors had a little cocktail party to welcome me. Every single one at the part came up to tell me how they like the layout of my place because they walked through it during construction.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (ZLI7S)

Probably depends on where one is building.

There's a house being built about 100 feet from where I sit.

I wouldn't dream of going in there. Especially not after hours.

I know LOTS of guys who have told me they get their drug money by... finding abandoned buildings and/or construction sites, ripping out anything of value, especially metal, and selling it for scraps.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (hku12)

681 Tom Servo is correct.
Ga. has a law called Felony Murder.
They are fooked.

Posted by: attilla the thrilla at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (w7KSn)

682 657 >>Enough already with the georgia shooting... People are gonna have their own opinions....

You must be new here. There are arguments still going on about events that happened years ago.

We haven't begun to wear this one out yet.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (ZLI7S)

Longbows / Crossbows - Not Settled

Civil War - Not Settled

French Toast - Sweet v Savory - Not Settled

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (gD6Ka)

683
So it's worth to chase a dude down who at worst committed a misdemeanor?

I'd chase him off, call the cops, give them a description and ask for more drivethrus of the neighborhood

Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 12, 2020 12:24 PM (kuLb4)

It depends, since the facts are still emerging. If it was a renovation and not a new construction and the family was still occupying the house during renovations then it's a completely different situation. However, I've only seen comments that make that claim, so we'll see.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (50gG9)

684 624 Any Democrat Senator:

"Doctors, would you agree with me that Trump totally fucked this up and is responsible for every single Wuhan death?"

I'm paraphrasing.

Not a lot, though. You've pretty much nailed it.

Posted by: Marybeth at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (4pK1/)

685 The Chinese are directing the Democrats, who suspect nothing. Money talks.

Posted by: klaftern at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (RuIsu)

686 I bought my house from the builder as a spec house. After moving in my neighbors had a little cocktail party to welcome me. Every single one at the part came up to tell me how they like the layout of my place because they walked through it during construction.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (ZLI7S)

Yep, exact same situation here.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (Ez6QX)

687 669
Just a reminder, she couldn't win her own State in the primary. She would be a bad pick for biden or whoever replaces him.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 12, 2020 12:32 PM (JUOKG)

=========

Yup, and she ran 10 points behind Obama on the same ballot in 2012. She's awful.

I have no idea who Biden will chose, but apparently the top two contenders are Warren and Harris with Klobucher as the third choice.

Klobucher is the nothing pick who won't do much, but both Harris and Warren are so thoroughly awful and appeal so exclusively to important wings of the Democratic Party that it seems more than likely one of them will be the choice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (LvTSG)

688 673 >This happened two months ago. Why is this news front and center now ?
Posted by: runner

reporterette asked Trump about it yesterday at his presser

I don't think presidents should comment on local crime stories
Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (iTXRQ)

PDT basically said "Let justice be done."

Posted by: m at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (Yhl4a)

689 >You must be new here. There are arguments still going on about events that happened years ago.

I think we re-fought the Eastern Front of WW2 just yesterday

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (iTXRQ)

690 Ooh. I vote that we hear JackStraw's story. Sounds interesting. Even a comment section executive summary would be fine.

Otherwise, I admit I haven't looked at this other story for even 10 seconds. Because, literally, "local crime story". I imagine it will get sorted out. Only point to add is that I wouldn't post video of myself raking leaves, much less involvement in a shooting/homicide, regardless of circumstances. Duh.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM (El6T/)

691 Ace is up.
NOOD!

Posted by: attilla the thrilla at May 12, 2020 12:35 PM (w7KSn)

692 657 >>Enough already with the georgia shooting... People are gonna have their own opinions....

You must be new here. There are arguments still going on about events that happened years ago.

We haven't begun to wear this one out yet.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (ZLI7S)

Hell, we still fight the Civil War here!!!

Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2020 12:36 PM (bCLt0)

693 The one thing that people who think these guys will fry is that one hurdle

a jury

and just like this comment section, unanimous isn't happening

and I'm pretty sure the prosecutors can't ask for COV

Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 12:36 PM (tQbpU)

694 >>It's not like we're going anywhere.

Not that great a story. When I lived in PR I went to a New Year's party at one of the resorts with a guy I worked with. My friend asked a girl at the bar to dance not knowing she was with someone.

Guy saw him asking her to dance and got angry (Puerto Rico) and started pushing him. I tried to play peacemaker. Bad idea.

Fight moved outside and unbeknownst to me the Royals had a bunch of their farm guys in PR doing winter league. They came out to watch the fight and made a circle around us.

The guy who wanted to fight turned around, pulled a gun from under his jacket and stuck it in my face. One of the Royals said something like you better have a lot of bullets cause you're going to have to shoot all of us if you shoot him.

Standoff ended but my buzz had faded.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:36 PM (ZLI7S)

695 Anyone who ever lived in a neighborhood where construction was going on has walked through an unfinished house.

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue! at May 12, 2020 12:36 PM (UUBmN)

696 Longbows / Crossbows - Not Settled

Civil War - Not Settled

French Toast - Sweet v Savory - Not Settled
Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 12:34 PM

Hardwood/Carpet - Not settled

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2020 12:37 PM (ejd/p)

697 Sure, let's make any infield popup with runners on first and second, or first, second, and third into a double or triple play. That should be fun.

You're joking but... yes, it would be. Exciting, interesting, fun. Or a bad throw and a few runs. Either way: good baseball.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2020 12:37 PM (KZzsI)

698 695 Standoff ended but my buzz had faded.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:36 PM (ZLI7

===========

That's a fun story.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:38 PM (LvTSG)

699 " if you pull a gun on someone in a threatening way in public"

"threatening way" ... it doesn't look like they pointed it at him, that is why he could grab it. What does "holding a shotgun in a defensive way" look like? As opposed to PULLING a gun in a THREATENING way?

I think there is a lot more nuance here, and the perp knew he was guilty, maybe facing prison if allowed to be caught (cops were on the way). Devil is in the details ... but they have a clear case ... imo the "jogger" knew they were not going to shoot, they had plenty of chances already. He chose to attack and maybe get away, rather than peacefully surrender. I don't believe he thought they would shoot him if he just stopped and waited for cops.

Four prosecutors did not want to push charges ... were they all just protecting "murderers"? What really happened seems mostly clear, even if there was some detail of the letter of law the two men slightly missed (did they follow him too far? even as they spoke with dispatch saying to follow? ... more details needed)

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2020 12:38 PM (Cus5s)

700 >>That's a fun story.

A lot more fun now than it was then.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)

701
More often than not, ANYONE walking through a construction site after hours is there to try to get their hands on copper wire, or power tools laying around.

Having not seen any videos here, was this at night?

I've seen the home surveillance video from across the street. It was in the afternoon.

The guy walks up the street (not jogging), goes into construction site. Neighbor comes out across the street and watches. Guy comes out of construction home, sees neighbor, takes off running.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2020 12:39 PM (oVJmc)

702 I think we need to dwell more on the eastern front thing.

Some folks need to delve deeper into the history that relies on the greater info available in recent decades, that makes it clear it wasn't a case of this/that particular decision by the Germans that cost them the game.

That, and even more starkly, the notion that "oh if we had just finished off the russkis in '45 when we had the chance" thing, which is divorced from every single aspect of reality at the time.

We could follow with the French toast thing, as a palate cleanser.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2020 12:39 PM (El6T/)

703 75 "If someone approached me with a shotgun and I thought I could defend myself by grappling with him, I would try. Getting close is the only reasonable defense."

This makes no sense to me. If two armed men approached me in a truck on a bright sunny day in a nice neighborhood, I'd talk to them first, not instantly try to disarm one of them. Hey guys, what's up? Live to sue the shit out of them.

And I'm never inviting CBD on a sporting clays outing if he's going to grapple with me every time I get close to him.

Posted by: Ironwood at May 12, 2020 12:39 PM (n5L++)

704 695
Anyone who ever lived in a neighborhood where construction was going on has walked through an unfinished house.

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue! at May 12, 2020 12:36 PM (UUBmN)

you shouldn't. If you go when a contractor is there he probably won't let you look around for insurance reasons, and you shouldn't go at night because there are lot more thieves than there use to be. The best thing to do is mind your own business like a good neighbor should.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:40 PM (50gG9)

705 BurtTC

I am "a prosecutor here" (retired after 40 years). Servo has it right. The End.

Posted by: mnw at May 12, 2020 12:40 PM (Cssks)

706 Tim Kain is a MASSIVE sucker of cock.
Posted by: SturmToddler

Unfortunately, Virginia has no shortage of those in power right now. He's just one of them.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 12, 2020 12:27 PM (b+e6V)

yeah, and thanks to NoVA, we can't even vote the fuckers out.

i can't wait to move...

Posted by: SturmToddler at May 12, 2020 12:40 PM (+NdM9)

707 In regards to this shooting, I learned during the Zimmerman case that the news is pumping the narrative, and the narrative isn't what you think it is. So I will reserve judgement until the case is brought and the facts come out.

"I wonder how many of the people who oppose vigilantism on the basis that
we are a nation of laws also believe that Obama and Hillary will never
see the inside of a prison."

That would be me. I also believe that if the goobermint doesn't hold up its end of the bargain vigilantism is inevitable.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 12, 2020 12:40 PM (CcOog)

708 >>>You're joking but... yes, it would be. Exciting, interesting, fun. Or a bad throw and a few runs. Either way: good baseball.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May

That might happen one out of 100 times. Like missing an extra point attempt from the 10 yard line.

Posted by: Turn Two at May 12, 2020 12:40 PM (rKsgt)

709 @JackPosobiec

US official tells @OANN on declassification:

"This goes way beyond Flynn"

Posted by: Tami at May 12, 2020 12:40 PM (cF8AT)

710 680 It would never occur to me to enter a construction site, if I didn't have a clear purpose to do so.

>>Especially when no one else is around.

I redo houses, I've worked on construction sites, I've always been fascinated by how things are built.
I've strolled through dozens of construction sites after the crews have left for the day, or the weekend. I'm nosy, I guess.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2020 12:41 PM (trdmm)

711 672 662 657 >>Enough already with the georgia shooting... People are gonna have their own opinions....

You must be new here. There are arguments still going on about events that happened years ago.

We haven't begun to wear this one out yet.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:30 PM (ZLI7S)

==========

Enough about how Hitler mismanaged World War II.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (LvTSG)

Time to talk about the Civil War again?
Posted by: Someguy

Charles II was a bitch.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 12, 2020 12:43 PM (b+e6V)

712 Thanks Jack, good story indeed.

Only guns I've had pointed at me were "friendly" M2s and other fun toys, at checkpoints. And probably some less friendly, different ones, at greater distance, with no result. But no hot Latinas involved.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2020 12:43 PM (El6T/)

713 Standoff ended but my buzz had faded.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:36 PM (ZLI7S)

Whoa...

That'll cause some shrinkage right there it will.

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 12:46 PM (gD6Ka)

714
Sen. Rand Paul:

"The history of this when we look back will be wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction... As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end all, I don't think you're the one person that gets to make a decision."

Video: https://tinyurl.com/y8g4ebqh
Posted by: Tami at May 12, 2020 11:48 AM (cF8AT)

The guy who gets to put his elbows on the Resolute Desk is the only decision maker. Everyone else makes suggestions.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 12, 2020 12:48 PM (Wztg5)

715 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIuIcqi9sA

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:48 PM (50gG9)

716 self defense. the burglar runs up and was trying to wrestle the shotgun from the guy.

As soon as somebody gets their hands on your gat w/o permission it becomes armed robbery, a forcible felony, lethal force is authorized. In certain jurisdictions anyway. Doesn't mean you won't become a political hackie sack though for people who would not give a shit if under most common circumstances.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 12, 2020 12:48 PM (1g7ch)

717 Notice the boat in that video. It's probably not a new construction site.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2020 12:49 PM (50gG9)

718 645 >>I've had a gun pulled on me. I ran.

I've had a gun stuck in my face and I was rescued by a bunch of players from the KC Royals farm team.

Long story.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:28 PM (ZLI7S)

May we have a story, please, Mr. Straw?

Posted by: m at May 12, 2020 12:49 PM (Yhl4a)

719 As a child, me and my friends would wonder onto construction sites and homes being built. Then one day around age 15, we were told it's against the law and stop doing it, and we did. This new subculture of white people proclaiming they wonder around unsupervised on construction sites without anybody's knowledge is fascinating. Is it some kind of Urban Exploring sport Fox Sports should be broadcasting?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 12, 2020 12:50 PM (p0Y1J)

720 May we have a story, please, Mr. Straw?
Posted by: m at May 12, 2020 12:49 PM (Yhl4a)

Just upthread aways...

Posted by: browndog at May 12, 2020 12:51 PM (gD6Ka)

721 694 Not that great a story.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2020 12:36 PM (ZLI7S)

Excellent story!

Posted by: m at May 12, 2020 12:51 PM (Yhl4a)

722 "This new subculture of white people proclaiming they wonder around unsupervised on construction sites without anybody's knowledge is fascinating."

This is a remnant from the past, when no one was so pathetic as to rip out plumbing just to get the copper. Everything has been getting worse for a while. We're more like a 3rd world country now, thanks to God damned Democrat criminals. What a bunch of assholes.

Posted by: Chris M at May 12, 2020 01:06 PM (eAZVt)

723 If someone is burgling my house. I'm gonna end them. But yeah, I didn't see any racism in the claim either.

Posted by: Draki at May 12, 2020 01:15 PM (HDwJc)

724 679 you seem too smart for such a dumb move

Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 12:31 PM (tQbpU)

I spent 15 years learning and teaching a self-defense oriented martial art. I am familiar with the various tactics used when confronted with a weapon, so spare me the suggestion that there is one way to deal with it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2020 12:33 PM (dLLD6)

Isn't this the place were the guy gets chunked out the window in Braveheart

Posted by: REDACTED at May 12, 2020 01:16 PM (tQbpU)

725 "we live in a nation of laws"
How amusingly naive.

Posted by: Schoolbus Vagabond at May 12, 2020 01:20 PM (A+nOj)

726 Regarding the MLBPA not agreeing to the owners' proposal, the players already agreed to cut their salaries in proportion to the number of games lost. As of now that stands at 50%. The owners want them to agree to revenue sharing of TV money, which cuts their salary even further because there are no fans. At a minimum the owners should disclose their financials to prove they need to cut player salaries further, which MLB as stands does not do.

As for Trayvon 2.0, you left out 1) the white men went to go do a citizen's arrest, which is legal under Georgia law, 2) they would not have shot Trayvon 2.0 if he had not assaulted them and tried to take one of their guns. Deadly force in self-defense was justified at that point.

Look up Paul Kersey and "Their Lives Matter Too" for hundreds of stories of whites horrifically murdered and raped by blacks that you never give a shit about, but demonize and lie about white men whenever the MSM calls on you to be a good little white. Disgusting.

Posted by: KRockFM at May 12, 2020 01:21 PM (iyn6/)

727 R*n*ck is ok here but not the n word?

Posted by: Goatweed at May 12, 2020 01:25 PM (iR3Gu)

728 Is it allowed to note that the story of this shooting of a black man has been delivered wrapped in lies (he was just out jogging, he was a model citizen, they chased him down, they shot him in the back)?Is it allowed to note that this is not the first time that such a story has been delivered in this manner? (Nor the second, nor the third. Etc.)Is it allowed to note that juicing the story with lies makes justice less likely?
Is it allowed to note that these stories are always deployed politically against conservatives?Is it allowed to note that the real underlying cause (racial resentment and contempt) was constructed by the left?Is it allowed to object to yet another emotion-based liestorm about race?
Is it allowed to question the media narrative?Is it allowed to do so without the assumption that you're somehow "defending" "murderers?"

Posted by: AMartel at May 12, 2020 01:27 PM (WWgnZ)

729 As soon as somebody gets their hands on your gat w/o permission it becomes armed robbery, a forcible felony

or self-defense.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 12, 2020 01:37 PM (Lk/fE)

730 727 R*n*ck is ok here but not the n word?

Grow up.

Posted by: RichieC at May 12, 2020 01:38 PM (838ff)

731 Right on both the MLBPA and vigilantism, CBD.

However, still wrong about maple syrup on French toast.

Two out of three ain't bad!

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 12, 2020 01:39 PM (HabA/)

732 "This is the other part of the story, the one that might get William Barr involved. The father of the shooter was old friends with the local DA, and the local DA helped them to cover it up for 2 months.

and then the geniuses were so proud of what they had done that they poste video of themselves committing the murder and bragged about it on social media."

See, that's interesting. I read the DA recused from the case BECAUSE they worked together and a DA from a neighboring county took it. Also, I read the vid was sent to the media from a lawyer.

Posted by: Inogame at May 12, 2020 01:39 PM (+2xjH)

733 From what I understand, the two clowns chasing that guy were under the impression from the authorities that they had permission to patrol the area. Sounds like whoever told them that is the problem here (in addition to the rest of it).

Posted by: Mech at May 12, 2020 01:51 PM (HPcI7)

734 It's possible to believe both of the following are true:

1. The murdered man was a criminal and scumbag.
2. It's wrong to chase him down and shoot him.

Of course, the media is going to use this to paint Southerners as racist. Of course, the media ignores cases of brutal black on white crime.

None of that changes the particulars of this case.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 12, 2020 01:51 PM (HabA/)

735 734 2. It's wrong to chase him down and shoot him.

It may have been wrong to chase him down, but it was not wrong to shoot him once he began trying to disarm the man with the shotgun.

It was legal to carry. It was legal to verbally accost. The only illegal thing I saw on the video is when he attempts to disarm the son. That must always be met by deadly force resistance.

Posted by: Ironwood at May 12, 2020 02:10 PM (n5L++)

736 The guy was recorded on video casing the joint multiple times, and he's on video assaulting the people who followed him and grabbing their shotgun.

He shot himself by grabbing the barrel of the shotgun.

Plus, citizens have a right to protect themselves and their property and their neighborhoods when our traitor government releases criminals from prisons to prey on us.

Posted by: TH at May 12, 2020 04:47 PM (YAzlc)

737 I agree it was not their job to chase him down like that. I also don't think he would have been shot if he hadn't charged the guy with the shotgun and scuffled with him.

Posted by: SamIam at May 12, 2020 06:14 PM (oasF3)

738 The strike 25 years ago taught me that MLB owners and players don't care about the fans. As a result I learned not to care about them. It appears they want to teach a new generation of fans that same lesson. It can't be very important if the owners and players don't care. They were already teaching the lesson to the 45 communities losing minor league teams this coming year. Now the whole country will know, again.

Posted by: STW at May 12, 2020 06:52 PM (mYibQ)

739 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKKn7D2c5kQ

Posted by: Karl at May 13, 2020 04:15 AM (IKvHA)

740 I read that as Infidel fly rule ........

Posted by: saf at May 13, 2020 10:26 AM (5IHGB)

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