Sunday Morning Book Thread 05-10-2020

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Othmar Library, Brooklyn Historical Society, NYC


Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, crétins sans pantalon (who are technically breaking the rules), and those of you running for your lives from the murder hornets, killer bees, murder death kill bunnies, eastern brown snakes, and other critters that Australians consider normal life. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, witty repartee, hilarious bon mots, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, spending way too much money on books, writing books, and publishing books by escaped oafs and oafettes who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, which, for those of you who don't know, are a parody of this universally scorned and ridiculed shirt. And you should spend a few moments reading the reviews. Some of them are pretty funny.



Pic Note:

The BHS library page doesn't say much about it other than it's closed due to plague, but it does have a number of off-site collections, a couple of which I find interesting in a totally geeky sort of way. The first is the Brooklyn Bureau of Sewers records which date back to 1853, and another is a collection of records from the Lafayette Avenue Presbyterian Church, which mas material dating back in 1816. Like I said, geeky.



It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

This is a disease I wish more Americans would come down with:


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(This is cute. The only flaw is that It was not written by "Steven" King)



In The Year of the Plague - II

472 As Iíve said, my brain can only handle pulp and picture books during These Uncertain Times, but if youíre fully functional, bully for you!, and hereís a list of Tomes of Substance:
https://spectator.us/lockdown-list-books-quarantine/

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 26, 2020 12:01 PM (Dc2NZ

Here's another book from that list, and the title sounded vaguely familiar, so I did some checking, and sure enough, I had mentioned it in a 2014(!) book thread.

The Spectator says:

For uplift, delve into G.K. Chesterton’s 1914 novel The Flying Inn. It tells of a future England in which the ruling elite has given into Islam — controversial! — and outlawed all pubs. So two blokes ramble round the country in a cart selling rum to a booze-desperate populace. Anyone up for doing something similar in our currently pub-less countries?

I'll just cut and paste what I wrote about it 6 years ago, because lazy. And links:

Moron CBD brings to my attention G K Chesterton's novel The Flying Inn. Published in 1914, it is set in a future Islamicized England, where the British Army had been decisively beaten by the Turks. The result of this inglorious defeat is that shari'a law is now being imposed on the entire country. There's an extensive write-up about it on Daniel Pipes' blog. Free versions are available, too.




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Do-Gooders

Frequently, there are requests for books suitable for the HS/YA ages. Here is a non-fiction that looks like it would be worth looking into, the biography of a man most of us have never heard of, Dr. John Gorrie, a do-gooder who actually did good: He Made Ice and Changed the World: The Story of Florida's John Gorrie. Yes, that's right, Florida Man, only this time he didn't get high on bath salts and then put a microwave oven inside of another microwave oven and blow himself up along with his entire kitchen. But what he did had some unexpected consequences.

He wanted to find a cure for malaria and yellow fever.

He ended up inventing refrigeration:

Dr. John Gorrie changed the world with his invention, but many people have never heard of him. After taking the Hippocratic Oath, he vowed to do what no other physician of his day had done: cure malaria and yellow fever. Realizing that temperature affected how likely epidemics would occur,...Dr. Gorrie became a well-known face in the South, producing artificial ice in the dead of summer. Once big corporations took over operations, Dr. Gorrie’s new ice machine was making more ice than ever before, and people started to take notice everywhere. Though, Dr. Gorrie’s legacy didn’t end there; he’d start applying his technology in his medical practice, leading to the increased comfort and overall health of countless diseased victims suffering from the fevers, as tropical diseases were then called.

Today, Dr. Gorrie’s artificial ice has changed lives and made modern convenience possible.

Yes, Florida Man done good.

Oh, and Kindle edition is only 99 cents.

(h/t Hans Schantz



Who Dis:

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Last week's 'who dis' was character actor Preston Foster.



Moron Recommendations

57...Not sure why, but I started an autobiography by SNL comic Norm MacDonald. Wanted something light for our current societal situation. Jeeze... early on he strongly suggests he was molested, as a child, by a beloved worker on his parents farm; hope it gets a bit...less dark.

Posted by: MikeM at May 03, 2020 09:29 AM (L+pcj)

539 MikeM, Norm's book is about five percent true and the rest is an elaborate long form Norm joke. I initially thought it was going to be a straight autobiography, so don't feel alone.

...

540 Norm's chapter on his best gig ever reduces me to tears. The Moth Joke chapter is genius.

I've physically read the book twice and have done Norm's reading for the audiobook which I highly recommend. I am a huge Norm fan so this comment will be biased by that, but Based On A True Story is the funniest book I have read or listened to.

Posted by: SuperMayorSuperRonNirnberg at May 03, 2020 01:14 PM (s7uYf)

Let's see what Amazon has to say about Based on a True Story: Not a Memoir

When Norm Macdonald, one of the greatest stand-up comics of all time, was approached to write a celebrity memoir, he flatly refused, calling the genre “one step below instruction manuals.” Norm then promptly took a two-year hiatus from stand-up comedy to live on a farm in northern Canada. When he emerged he had under his arm a manuscript, a genre-smashing book about comedy, tragedy, love, loss, war, and redemption. When asked if this was the celebrity memoir, Norm replied, “Call it anything you damn like.”

I'm guessing there's a ton of 'meta' humor here.

FYI, I think my favorite long-form Norm joke is the Scrabble story.

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70 Joan Fontaine and Cary Grant in Suspicion: It's based on a superb but little-known novel called Before the Fact by one Francis Iles, whose real name was Anthony Berkeley and who published his pure detective stories in the '20s and '30s under that name. He used the Iles name for another psychological crime novel, Malice Aforethought. Berkeley/Iles was a pioneer in the reverse mystery novel, where we follow the criminal as he plans and then executes his crime, and then tries to stay away from justice.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 03, 2020 09:34 AM (rpbg1)

I guess this kind of like Columbo movies where we get to watch Patrick McGoohan's character plotting and executing what he thinks is going to be the perfect murder and then Peter Falk stumbles and bumbles around putting all of the puzzle pieces together. "Uh, just one more thing..."

But about Before the Fact:

Before the Fact is a ground-breaking psychological drama of immense power, described as 'one of the finest studies of murder ever written'. Inspiring Hitchcock's classic film Suspicion, this classic title was written in the golden age of crime fiction and remains utterly compelling to this day.

When wealthy but plain Lina McLaidlaw marries feckless Johnny Aysgarth, she is certain she can change him for the better. Despite her hopes, she is soon forced to acknowledge the truth - that he is not only a compulsive liar and a crook but also a murderer. She continues to love him, while fearing she will inevitably become one of his victims.

Iles' other novel that Wolfus Aurelius mentions, Malice Aforethought: The Story of a Commonplace Crime, is availble on Kindle, but Before the Fact is not, for some reason.

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Now for Eris, who says that she can only handle pulp or picture books at the moment, I offer The Professor's Daughter, described in the cover flap as "Three thousand years may separate them...but they still love each other. 19th century London. She is the daughter of renowned Egyptologist Professor Bowell, he the dashing mummy Imhotep IV, owned by the professor and awake for the first time in thirty centuries."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 03, 2020 09:18 AM (2JVJo)

The Amazon blurb says a little bit more about the plot:

The heap of trouble that they land in—brought on by Mozart, afternoon tea, and a passing gentleman’s sensitive nature—only deepens when they learn Imhotep IV’s father is in town. Can Imhotep IV and Lillian stay together when both their fathers, the London Police, and even the Archeological society are desperate to drag them apart?

The Professor's Daughter (Collector's Edition) is

Written by the hilarious and insightful Joann Sfar and painted in muted, sepia-toned watercolors by Emmanuel Guibert, this book is something to keep as a display piece, a thing of beauty—if you can put down the engaging story long enough for others to admire it!

Used hardbacks can be had for less than $7.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.




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1 Tolle Lege

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2020 09:01 AM (ZCEU2)

2 Book Thread.
The best of all possible threads.
Thanks and good (chilly) morning.
Happy Mother's day to the Moms.

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at May 10, 2020 09:01 AM (x8Q/V)

3 hiya

Posted by: JT at May 10, 2020 09:01 AM (arJlL)

4 That looks a hell of a lot like William Faulkner.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:02 AM (2JVJo)

5 Thinking my little used book shop might never open again I should get something I really want on line, but what?

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2020 09:02 AM (ZCEU2)

6 Faulkner reading

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 09:03 AM (ONvIw)

7
g'mornin', book-ish 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 09:03 AM (DUIap)

8 Does not look like a racially intergrated Library to me?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2020 09:03 AM (85Gof)

9 That is a cool collectipn of books, read the titles as a line.

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2020 09:04 AM (ZCEU2)

10 I like John Ellsworth. Does a lawyer series Thaddeus Murphy. Now has a series with a woman DA in San Diego. Was a pretty good book. Next one is out til Nov.

Posted by: rhennigantx dont californicate my TEXAS at May 10, 2020 09:04 AM (JFO2v)

11 MP4 for the win! CN missed it by *that* much....

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 09:04 AM (PiwSw)

12 I'd love to visit that Brooklyn library, but wonder how many feral yutes I'd have to fight off to get there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:06 AM (2JVJo)

13 Morning!

Posted by: A lotta nerve at May 10, 2020 09:09 AM (JdcHc)

14 Funny, "Animal Farm" and "1984" have been removed from circulation at our local library. The reason cited was "an abundance of caution"!

/s

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - YOU are all in it together! - at May 10, 2020 09:10 AM (jnM20)

15 What's the word for the yearning for the freedom Burgess Meredith had in that Twilight Zone episode?

I've had the streets to myself for so long, I've gotten resentful whenever I actually have to wait for a car before I jaywalk.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 10, 2020 09:10 AM (EZebt)

16 Nice Lieberry!

Those pants speak to me....

The who dis is General Flynn in retirement enjoying a pipe and reading his memoir, "How I Destroyed the Deep State and Barry Oblabla".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 10, 2020 09:11 AM (Z+IKu)

17 "Time, time enough at last"

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2020 09:11 AM (ZCEU2)

18 That's certainly one interesting way to shelve books.

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at May 10, 2020 09:12 AM (x8Q/V)

19 Currently reading Very Bad Wizards by C. M. Stunic.

Posted by: Vic at May 10, 2020 09:13 AM (mpXpK)

20 OK, since Little Richard est mort, I recommend to the Horde Nik Cohn's 1969 awopbopaloobop alopbamboom: The Golden Age of Rock.

He penned it in a little hut in Ireland in a few weeks; it's both a look at who he believed were the people most notable in rock, from the beginning with Bill Haley to the Stones and the Beatles as well as a semi-autobiography. The chapters divide up into "Roots," "English Rock," "Dylan" and so on, with a strange chapter dedicated to the now-forgotten singer P.J. Proby.

Cohn devotes a few pages to Little Richard, whom he describes: "He had a freak voice, tireless, hysterical, completely indestructible, and he never in his life sang at anything lower than an enraged bull-like roar. On every phrase, he'd embroider with squeals, rasps, siren whoops. His stamina, his drive, were limitless. And his songs were mostly total non-songs, nothing but bedrock twelve bars with playroom lyrics, but still he'd put them across as if every last syllable was liquid gold."

https://tinyurl.com/y8rkftbz

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:14 AM (2JVJo)

21 Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 09:03 AM (ONvIw)

Thanks for the kid's book recommendations last week. Grand-kidlets are enjoying them.

There is another set DiL found about "Pete the Cat" which looks good for the 5-6 range. I ordered the set based on the one she had.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - YOU are all in it together! - at May 10, 2020 09:14 AM (jnM20)

22 Claude Raines?

JustDave in GR

Posted by: JustDave in GR at May 10, 2020 09:14 AM (KBiU/)

23 (This is cute. The only flaw is that It was not written by "Steven" King)

And Nevil Shute is the spelling of that great writer's name.

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 09:15 AM (3Geud)

24 Posted by: JustDave in GR at May 10, 2020 09:14 AM (KBiU/)

Where's GR?

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 09:16 AM (3Geud)

25 Funny, "Animal Farm" and "1984" have been removed from circulation at our local library. The reason cited was "an abundance of caution"!

/s
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - YOU are all in it together!

Mind control can be very fragile, like eating tomato soup in a white soup. And no one hour Martinizing is available for soiled minds.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 09:16 AM (+y/Ru)

26 Yay! Book Thread! One of my two favorite threads of the week!

I'm still reading Stanley G. Payne's biography of Franco. Payne is kind of a liberal squish, but he really tries to be fair to his subject. I think he's one of the old school types that find lies personally offensive.

In writing new, I've had a radical change of plans. After doing the edits and publishing a revised e-book version of Battle Officer Wolf, I took a break because I find editing tedious and it really burns me out.

However, I fully planned on getting going on the sequel because I need to write *something* or go crazy.

And then the mania struck. I'm not sure what triggered it, but long about Wednesday I was overcome with a fanatical desire to write THE definitive military analysis of the Spanish Civil War.

That was 12,000 words ago. I've never tried long-form nonfiction before, so I don't know how this will play out, but right now I'm typing as much as my fingers can take. I've had creative bursts when writing novels, but nothing like this. I actually woke up at 4 a.m. on Friday and had to write for an hour before I could go back to bed. My living room is now littered with reference books and I'm slicing up scrap paper for book marks.

I think what's going on is that I'm basically "talking to the screen" about things I think other historians have missed. Clearly I have a lot to say.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:16 AM (cfSRQ)

27 Thanks for sharing that YA biography of Dr. John Gorrie. It was a fun and informative read that I think even adults will enjoy.

My current book is The Last Man Who Knew Everything, Robinson's biography of British polymath and doctor Thomas Young who established the wave theory of light, figured out how the eye works, first identified the Indo European language family and helped decipher the Rosetta Stone.

There's a great article in The Guardian making the rounds about the real life adventure of a half dozen boys stranded on a desert island that puts the lie to the "Lord of the Flies" scenario. Worth checking out.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at May 10, 2020 09:17 AM (8k7x2)

28 During Pandemic Time, I actually read a book: Women of the House,. It describes the family dynasty established by an enterprising Dutchwoman, the significant rights Dutch females enjoyed, and how those rights eroded, eventually vanished under British rule. It was a fascinating account of the foundation of what we now call Manhattan, Yonkers, and Bergen County, NJ.

Posted by: kallisto at May 10, 2020 09:17 AM (O98j8)

29 William Faulkner but I see MP4 got there ahead of me.

Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 09:18 AM (gLRfa)

30 Where's GR?
Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 09:16 AM (3Geud)


Between Rockford and Kentwood, roughly.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 09:18 AM (t+qrx)

31 I began Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series. I finished the Eye of the World. It's truly a fantasy classic.

I also read a whimsical novel that kept a smile on my face while reading it. It's a Man Called Ove by Fredrick Bachman. Ove is a curmudgeon, set in his ways, living in Sweden. His wife of many years died three months ago and now he is forced into an early retirement. He begins planning his suicide when a young couple with daughters 3 and 7 years old move in next store and spoil this attempt. Future attempts are also accidentally thwarted, and Ove slowly begins to change. This is a gem of a debut novel.

Finally, I did something I almost never do. I gave up reading a book that I started. The novel is The Journeyer by Gary Jennings. It's the story of the exploits of Marco Polo. I'm by no means a prude when it comes to my reading selections; but this book had a sex scene, both hetero- and homosexual, in almost every short chapter. What a waste of a potentially interesting topic.

Posted by: Zoltan at May 10, 2020 09:18 AM (3ugDL)

32 Booken Morgen Moron Mutter und Kinder

Posted by: vmom 2020 - check out Gen Flynn's book here at May 10, 2020 09:18 AM (G546f)

33 Another recommended UK dystopia would be "1985" by Anthony Burgess, describing a Britain ruled by Socialists and Islamists. Sort of like what they would be now if Jeremy Corbyn would have won....

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 09:19 AM (PiwSw)

34 I got a few pages done in the "You're not actually the hero" book I'm writing. Apparently there's ritualistic cult murders involved? I have no idea how this going to turn out, but it has been therapeutic to write again.

Posted by: pookysgirl, happy mom at May 10, 2020 09:19 AM (XKZwp)

35 I've never tried long-form nonfiction before, so I don't know how this will play out, but right now I'm typing as much as my fingers can take. I've had creative bursts when writing novels, but nothing like this. I actually woke up at 4 a.m. on Friday and had to write for an hour before I could go back to bed.

**fistbump**

Bravo! That feeling when you're flying along is like nothing else. I envy you and wish you all the best.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:19 AM (2JVJo)

36 Milburn Drysdale - Raymond Daily

Posted by: Bye Gone at May 10, 2020 09:20 AM (zOtIE)

37 There's a great article in The Guardian making the
rounds about the real life adventure of a half dozen boys stranded on a
desert island that puts the lie to the "Lord of the Flies" scenario.
Worth checking out.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at May 10, 2020 09:17 AM (8k7x2)

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Much of the "post-apocalypse" genre is basically violence porn/wishcasting.

We know what people do in these situations because it's happened many times in history. If the people are reasonable, have a moral compass, etc., they band together and get through it.

Otherwise, they eat each other.

I never got into The Walking Dead because the writing was so awful and the tactics/scenarios made no sense.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:21 AM (cfSRQ)

38 I got a few pages done in the "You're not actually the hero" book I'm writing. Apparently there's ritualistic cult murders involved? I have no idea how this going to turn out, but it has been therapeutic to write again.
Posted by: pookysgirl, happy mom at May 10, 2020 09:19 AM (XKZwp)


Good for you! I'd like to read that sometime.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:21 AM (2JVJo)

39 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading. Mine was interesting to say the least.

Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 09:21 AM (7EjX1)

40 There is another set DiL found about "Pete the Cat" which looks good for the 5-6 range. I ordered the set based on the one she had.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - YOU are all in it together! - at May 10, 2020 09:14 AM (jnM20)

My 5yo grandson loves Pete!

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 09:21 AM (ONvIw)

41 Comments from last week led me to borrow ' Nothing Lasts Forever ' the book basis for Die Hard.
It was much closer to the movie than I expected, as Wolfus Aurelius had commented. It's quite short (~180 pgs) so a fairly quick read.
Some major changes, a few deletions, but most of the characters and actions are there. I'm glad I read it, and one day I'll look for Roderick Thorp's longer first novel 'The Detective" where Joe Leland first appears. (changes from protagonist Leland to McLane are among the biggest differences)

The movie did a great job of fleshing out the minor characters, and most of the changes reflected the different needs of film from book. Other changes reflect the ten year timeframe update. Lastly the plot shifts move the story into the endless re-watchable movie that we love.

P.S. There is no disputing that it's a Christmas book.

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at May 10, 2020 09:23 AM (x8Q/V)

42 34
I got a few pages done in the "You're not actually the hero" book I'm
writing. Apparently there's ritualistic cult murders involved? I have no
idea how this going to turn out, but it has been therapeutic to write
again.


Posted by: pookysgirl, happy mom at May 10, 2020 09:19 AM (XKZwp)

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Good for you! I hope you consider the twist that the protagonist isn't THE hero, but can still find meaning and prove helpful to others.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:23 AM (cfSRQ)

43 OK, since Little Richard est mort, I recommend to the Horde Nik Cohn's 1969 awopbopaloobop alopbamboom: The Golden Age of Rock.



He penned it in a little hut in Ireland in a few weeks; it's both a
look at who he believed were the people most notable in rock, from the
beginning with Bill Haley to the Stones and the Beatles as well as a
semi-autobiography. The chapters divide up into "Roots," "English
Rock," "Dylan" and so on, with a strange chapter dedicated to the
now-forgotten singer P.J. Proby.



That sounds like something I'd be interested in. Thanks Mary Poppins.

And good morning to all - Happy Mothers Day

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2020 09:23 AM (lwiT4)

44 ''My 5yo grandson loves Pete!''

Agreed. My grandkids loved Pete.

The youngest also adored "Pout Pout Fish".

Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 09:23 AM (gLRfa)

45 Faulkner created a sensation in The Sound and the Fury by having a retard narrate the first part of the novel. Today we have retards writing books all the time.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 09:23 AM (+y/Ru)

46 We know what people do in these situations because it's happened many times in history. If the people are reasonable, have a moral compass, etc., they band together and get through it.


A good antidote to "Lord of the Flies" is "Tunnel in the Sky" by Robert Heinlein. One of his YA "Juveniles", all of which are highly recommended.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 09:24 AM (PiwSw)

47 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading. Mine was interesting to say the least.
Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 09:21 AM (7EjX1)


How so?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:24 AM (2JVJo)

48 My 5yo grandson loves Pete!

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 09:21 AM (ONvIw)



My grandsons have Pete too.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2020 09:24 AM (lwiT4)

49 Today we have retards writing books all the time.

I'm right here, you know.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:25 AM (2JVJo)

50 Those pants are fine,. I would wear them to sing the blues in my back yard.

Posted by: Howlin Wolf at May 10, 2020 09:25 AM (Tnijr)

51 I just started reading Long Range by C.J. Box.

I would love nothing better than to read the entire book today, but alas my list of chores beckons me .

Have a great one Horde, and Happy Mother's Day to all of the Moms !

Posted by: JT at May 10, 2020 09:27 AM (arJlL)

52 2
Book Thread.

The best of all possible threads.


Not if it doesn't include a discussion of Candide, it isn't.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 09:27 AM (T6t7i)

53 The reason I knew "who dis" was Faulkner was because I usually have his snark about his job as a postmaster bubbling somewhere in my brain:

"I reckon I'll be at the beck and call of folks with money all my life, but thank God I won't ever again have to be at the beck and call of every son of a bitch who's got two cents to buy a stamp."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:27 AM (2JVJo)

54 Still schlogging thru "Oil and Marble", about Da Vinci's rivalry with Michaelangelo. It's very good, I just can't seem to concentrate. Thus, my usual two books a week has condensed to one book a month.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2020 09:27 AM (lwiT4)

55 Last week Sal mentioned Dorothy Hartley's "Lost Country Life". It is, obstensively, about farming and related matters in medieval England. Sounds kinda dull or at least esoteric, right? My used copy arrived Friday.

I've just started but so far the book is not what I expected, which was some interesting, quaint details about farming 700 years ago. What I'm finding is a combination of historic details, how the land shaped the people and they shaped it, how the remnants of pagan religion continued as folk lore, and the mindset of the people who could deal with the vagaries of nature and their society. Also, how their approach to farming and the world compares to later times.

Hartley's writing is informative but also elegant, sometimes almost poetic. It is very effective and appealing. The style reminds me of CS Lewis' academic essays but I haven't decided quite how yet. I need to read more into the book but it is a fascinating discovery so far.


Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 09:28 AM (7EjX1)

56 Another recommended UK dystopia would be "1985" by Anthony Burgess, describing a Britain ruled by Socialists and Islamists. Sort of like what they would be now if Jeremy Corbyn would have won....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 09:19 AM (PiwSw)

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This is one of my favorite books by one of my favorite authors. Imho, a brilliant homage and riposte to Orwell. And if I recall the plot, Burgess too posits an Islamicised King Charles and Great Britain.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 10, 2020 09:28 AM (EZebt)

57 After reading The Captive Mind and Milosz's description of the life of Tadeusz Borowski I reread This Way for the Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen. I'd forgotten some of the brief portrayals of compassion and dignity randomly interspersed in a hellishly mechanized barbaric setting. Likewise I'd forgotten the stories of the immediate post war setting as displaced persons scattered hither and yon looking to establish a semblance of a normal life. The seeds were certainly there for Borowski to start working for the commies before realizing "this is fucked up too" and just ending it. Freedom is such an unattainable concept for most of the world that the current tyranny of the experts must be defeated.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 09:29 AM (y7DUB)

58 I'm stuck once again on my own writing. Not that I don't know what's going to happen - I have the penultimate scene all plotted out and right in front of me - but for some reason, I simply can't write. And this pisses me off and makes me angry at myself, because I've always bloviated "give me open time and I can finish in a month." Well, here I've had a month, did some, but now am in the quicksand. Ugh.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:29 AM (2JVJo)

59 It's very good, I just can't seem to concentrate. Thus, my usual two books a week has condensed to one book a month.

Ironic, isn't it? I suggest you go out and dig in the dirt (thus neatly tying in the garden thread). That works wonderfully to concentrate my mind.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 09:30 AM (T6t7i)

60 **fistbump**



Bravo! That feeling when you're flying along is like nothing else. I envy you and wish you all the best.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:19 AM (2JVJo)

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Thanks! I have no idea how this will play out, and I know that I'm going to have to revise the hell out of it because there's lots of facts I need to run to ground. I've already decided I'm not going to endnote the crap out of it because I find that really annoying. If I pull a quote, I'll do a footnote and let the bibliography speak for itself.

As for sales...HA! A number of my friends are military history geeks, but even they can't stand me droning on about the Spanish Civil War. It's a niche market, but I don't care.

By the way, I'm going to break precedent here and use a title besides "The Spanish Civil War." I know, I know, there's some rule that every book on the topic has to use that title and then you differentiate them by referring to the author, but I'm sick of it.

My working title is: "Long Live Death: A Military Study of the Spanish Civil War."

"Long Live Death" is the motto of the Spanish Foreign Legion, which played a heap big role in the war - and also the career of Franco.

What do you think?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:31 AM (cfSRQ)

61 Here in the spring of our discontent, I've begun playing X-Box again. I fired up Red Dead Redemption II (and noticed that I have a bandana face mask in my satchel, spooky). Anyway, I was eaten by a pack of wolves yesterday. That shirt brings back painful memories.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 09:31 AM (+y/Ru)

62 Available on Amazon, written by a friend and neighbor of mine, Tom Pado, the book, "Damn the Torpedoes, Full Steam Ahead"
He invented and patented some under-the-sea contraptions that are used to search for oil sources. His life story is interesting.

Posted by: AgathaPagatha at May 10, 2020 09:32 AM (xDMjB)

63 Candide was good, but I'm a bigger fan of Leibniz.

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at May 10, 2020 09:32 AM (x8Q/V)

64 Yes, A. H. Lloyd, I am making the not-a-hero into a hero by forcing him to protect his family from danger. Thank you for the help, and good luck on your epic quest!

Posted by: pookysgirl, happy mom at May 10, 2020 09:32 AM (XKZwp)

65 I suggest you go out and dig in the dirt (thus
neatly tying in the garden thread). That works wonderfully to
concentrate my mind.


Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 09:30 AM (T6t7i)



I think you're right about digging in the dirt, alas its about 33 degrees and rain. Wisconsin hasn't given up on winter just yet.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2020 09:33 AM (lwiT4)

66 By the way, I'm going to break precedent here and use a title besides "The Spanish Civil War."

I like the description of our CW as "The Recent Unpleasantness", so I suggest El Disgusto Espanol.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 09:33 AM (T6t7i)

67 That looks a hell of a lot like William Faulkner.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:02 AM (2JVJo)

I think you are correct. I remember seeing his photo for the first time and thinking that he looked nothing like what I had expected....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2020 09:33 AM (dLLD6)

68 Another recommended UK dystopia would be "1985" by Anthony Burgess, describing a Britain ruled by Socialists and Islamists. Sort of like what they would be now if Jeremy Corbyn would have won....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 09:19 AM (PiwSw)

===

This is one of my favorite books by one of my favorite authors. Imho, a brilliant homage and riposte to Orwell. And if I recall the plot, Burgess too posits an Islamicised King Charles and Great Britain.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 10, 2020 09:28 AM (EZebt)


It's been a long while and I can certainly believe is-slum being a major player, but what I mostly remember is the education system being total dogshit and gangs of yutes would break into shuttered libraries to read the classics of fiction, history and philosophy to stimulate their minds unlike the popular culture trash that numbed them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 09:34 AM (y7DUB)

69 Wisconsin hasn't given up on winter just yet.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2020 09:33 AM (lwiT4)

It snowed here yesterday afternoon...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2020 09:35 AM (dLLD6)

70 David Spade's autobio , Almost Interesting is a quick and very funny read.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 09:35 AM (2DOZq)

71 4 That looks a hell of a lot like William Faulkner.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:02 AM (2JVJo)


And there is a very good reason for that.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 09:35 AM (+klWv)

72 53 The reason I knew "who dis" was Faulkner was because I usually have his snark about his job as a postmaster bubbling somewhere in my brain:

"I reckon I'll be at the beck and call of folks with money all my life, but thank God I won't ever again have to be at the beck and call of every son of a bitch who's got two cents to buy a stamp."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:27 AM (2JVJo)

Ha!

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 09:35 AM (3Geud)

73 There's still time, Brother.

Happy Mothers Day

Thanks, OM

Posted by: LaRro at May 10, 2020 09:36 AM (10GNe)

74 I'm stuck once again on my own writing. Not that I
don't know what's going to happen - I have the penultimate scene all
plotted out and right in front of me - but for some reason, I simply
can't write. And this pisses me off and makes me angry at myself,
because I've always bloviated "give me open time and I can finish in a
month." Well, here I've had a month, did some, but now am in the
quicksand. Ugh.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:29 AM (2JVJo)

---
Too much free time wrecks my writing. I do best when I'm trying to avoid other work.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:36 AM (cfSRQ)

75 My working title is: "Long Live Death: A Military Study of the Spanish Civil War."

"Long Live Death" is the motto of the Spanish Foreign Legion, which played a heap big role in the war - and also the career of Franco.

What do you think?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:31 AM (cfSRQ)


I like it. As far as footnotes, I offer a suggestion that I've wished for in every book I've read about Nazi Germany: what happened to this person?

For example, I'll be reading along and come across a name - let's say, Anton Drexler - and I wonder whatever happened; did they die peacefully, did the Allies kill them, did Hitler throw them in a camp? There's a book, The Encyclopedia of the Third Reich, which presumes to give you knowledge about important people in Hitler's Germany, but it is woefully incomplete.

I would love it if a book that first mentioned Drexler would have a footnote or endnote that said "Founder of the German Worker's Party, he was quickly pushed aside by Hitler and relegated to a symbolic role. Died at home in 1942."

Anyway, my two cents.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:36 AM (2JVJo)

76 And then the mania struck. I'm not sure what triggered it, but long about Wednesday I was overcome with a fanatical desire to write THE definitive military analysis of the Spanish Civil War."

I find that a fascinating topic! Because I don't think I've seen a good one on that yet. All most everyone "knows" about it is a lot of myth and fantasy.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 09:37 AM (V2Yro)

77 I think you're right about digging in the dirt, alas its about 33
degrees and rain. Wisconsin hasn't given up on winter just yet.


Well, there's your problem.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 09:37 AM (T6t7i)

78 It snowed here yesterday afternoon...




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2020 09:35 AM (dLLD6)



Life just gets better and better, doesn't it?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2020 09:37 AM (lwiT4)

79 Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 09:23 AM (gLRfa)

Thanks for the fish tip, Tuna!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - YOU are all in it together! - at May 10, 2020 09:39 AM (jnM20)

80 Lloyd I like it too

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2020 09:40 AM (ZCEU2)

81 78: You must be in North Jersey

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 09:40 AM (ONvIw)

82 The woman in the painting looks like Michael J. Fox.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 09:40 AM (T6t7i)

83 "Long Live Death" is the motto of the Spanish Foreign Legion, which played a heap big role in the war - and also the career of Franco.

What do you think?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

I like it. I've been reading a novel set during the Spanish Civil War, Ben Pastor's The Horseman's song. Set in the Tureul region of Spain, the difficult terrain makes operations fairly low key to the extent that certain towns are neutral where men of both sides can go for a little commercial affection. However, expressing the wrong opinion at the wrong time could get you killed.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 09:40 AM (+y/Ru)

84 Eleutheromania: "An intense and irresistible desire for freedom.
Socialism: "The suicidal choice to trade freedom for security and ending up with neither."

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at May 10, 2020 09:42 AM (d9Cw3)

85 Posted by: pookysgirl, happy mom at May 10, 2020 09:32 AM (XKZwp)

PG: very glad you had a breakthrough and I hope the writing continues to go well!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - YOU are all in it together! - at May 10, 2020 09:42 AM (jnM20)

86 78 It snowed here yesterday afternoon...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2020 09:35 AM (dLLD6)


According to our models, that's just temporarily frozen superheated steam....

Posted by: The IPCC at May 10, 2020 09:42 AM (PiwSw)

87 Hello Book People. I slept in.

I was up late with "Eccentric Lives and Peculiar Notions" by John Michell. It's a series of droll little sketches of people obsessed by one idea: the flat earth, the hollow earth, lost tribes, the Illuminati, druids, etc.

Highly recommended! The author writes in an amused but sympathetic tone, as these obsessives are often highly intelligent and simply approached the data from a different perspective.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 09:42 AM (Dc2NZ)

88 One thing I have been able to concentrate on is short devotionals. I subscribe to daily devotionals from Alistair Begg, Mike Fabarez, David Jeremiah and David Platt. Also the Moody Bible Institute. Short, to the point, and almost always (currently) on maintaining faith and hope amidst crisis.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2020 09:42 AM (lwiT4)

89 Libraries. I think I remember what they're like. Someday I will be able to enter one again here in OH. Probably have to wear a body condom to get inside. They may actually allow me to return the 15 books that have been sliding around the back seat of my car for 2 months. Maybe!
Salons and such opening this week. And outside dining and bars on the 21st. Yipppeee!

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at May 10, 2020 09:42 AM (JVgnl)

90 I find that a fascinating topic! Because I don't think I've seen a good one on that yet. All most everyone "knows" about it is a lot of myth and fantasy.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 09:37 AM (V2Yro)

My possible myth or truth I do like is that Franco used Hitler like con man's mark and saved his country from the Commies and from WW2.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 09:43 AM (2DOZq)

91 Anyway, I took the plunge and bought Bolsano's 2666.
We'll see if it lives up to the hype.

For the older grandson, I dug out the 1965 Bank Street Readers given to me by my sister-in-law when my kids were little. It offers an orderly progression and not the silly classification levels offered by the district here.

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 09:43 AM (ONvIw)

92 I was waiting for Eris to show up, but I guess she's having fun with Mom. So I want to recommend this book, which was for her, but is also for you all: The Totally Useless History of the World.

It covers from the ancient world to 2007, and is a series of small, bite-sized chunks of historical happenings, all written in a dry British humor style. For example:

1667: Marquis Threatens to Infect King with Pox:

Madame de Montespan became the mistress of Louis XIV. Her outraged husband, the Marquis de Montespan, a fiery and impoverished Gascon, let it be known that he intended to visit the most unsalubrious brothels, infect himself with the nastiest of poxes, and pass on his infections to his wife and thence to the king. To avert this unpleasant outcome, Montespan was arrested and sent into exile."


https://tinyurl.com/y9emkmtc

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:43 AM (2JVJo)

93 I find that a fascinating topic! Because I don't
think I've seen a good one on that yet. All most everyone "knows" about
it is a lot of myth and fantasy.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 09:37 AM (V2Yro)

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Yes, and that's a major part of my motivation.

The other element is that the military aspects have never really been concentrated in a single source. When I first got serious about the topic last September, I was really frustrated by all the gaps I found. I went on a buying spree largely because I had to look in so many different places to build the full picture.

So this is not just a corrective on the myths, but a one-stop shop for the war in general.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:44 AM (cfSRQ)

94 Eris, there you are!

How did you like the chapter about Colonel Sibthorp? That was my favorite.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:45 AM (2JVJo)

95 In the SF short story collection Rockets Red Glare, I really enjoyed “Jupiter Convergence” by Robert E. Vardeman. A trio of atronomers on the Moon’s farside antenna relay discover a huge rogue planet travelling through the Oort Cloud, and it sends greetings and expresses a desire to exchange gifts. Bureaucrats from the UN try to muscle in, because of course they do.

I liked the odd fact that the three main spacefaring powers in this future are the UN, the North American Federation, and…Nigeria. Nigeria invented an atomic powered (and therefore illegal) engine, in part to use yellow cake uranium that’s banned for sale internationally.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 09:45 AM (Dc2NZ)

96 89
Libraries. I think I remember what they're like. Someday I will be able
to enter one again here in OH.


Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at May 10, 2020 09:42 AM (JVgnl)

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My local library is closed. Oddly, I still have to pay the taxes to support it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:45 AM (cfSRQ)

97 24 Posted by: JustDave in GR at May 10, 2020 09:14 AM (KBiU/)

Where's GR?
Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 09:16 AM (3Geud)


Grand Rapids?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 09:45 AM (+klWv)

98 The other part of the Spanish Civil war that I love and know is truth is that the Left / Commies turned on each other toward the end of the war. Beautiful.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 09:46 AM (2DOZq)

99 Use tinyurl or equivalent for links, otherwise you risk blowing the margins for phone users. [CBD]

Posted by: Menack at May 10, 2020 09:46 AM (buTO7)

100 My local library is closed. Oddly, I still have to pay the taxes to support it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:45 AM (cfSRQ)


Shut up and pay, peasant.

Posted by: Your friendly neighborhood local government at May 10, 2020 09:46 AM (+klWv)

101 I would love it if a book that first mentioned Drexler would have a footnote or endnote that said "Founder
of the German Worker's Party, he was quickly pushed aside by Hitler and
relegated to a symbolic role. Died at home in 1942."



Anyway, my two cents.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:36 AM (2JVJo)

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I hadn't thought of that. I'm not going all-in on name-dropping, but you raise a good point.

Spoiler alert: Franco becomes dictator of Spain. Don't tell anyone.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:46 AM (cfSRQ)

102 A good antidote to "Lord of the Flies" is "Tunnel in the Sky" by Robert Heinlein. One of his YA "Juveniles", all of which are highly recommended.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 09:24 AM (PiwSw)

I'll second that recommendation. Tunnel in the Sky is excellent.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at May 10, 2020 09:47 AM (8k7x2)

103 How did you like the chapter about Colonel Sibthorp? That was my favorite.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:45 AM (2JVJo)
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He was a Super Ultra-Tory! I loved his constant railing against Jews, Catholics, foreigners, the Crystal Palace, and...steam engines! Damn the trains!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 09:47 AM (Dc2NZ)

104 Since I have no idea when the karens will allow the library to reopen, I broke down and ordered Nabokov's book on Gogol, the first book he wrote after moving to the US. I also started reading volume 1 of The Complete Tales of Nikolai Gogol which I bought a really long time ago (I'm sure Vlad will completely trash the quality of the translation) and I think contains everything but Dead Souls. Anyway Nik was a pretty funny guy, at least the small number of pages I've read, and not at all like most of the famous Rooskis who followed him.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 09:47 AM (y7DUB)

105 98
The other part of the Spanish Civil war that I love and know is truth is
that the Left / Commies turned on each other toward the end of the war.
Beautiful.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 09:46 AM (2DOZq)

---
They only had one falling out, but it was continuous.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:48 AM (cfSRQ)

106 Good morning.

Because I like the series, "Poldark" I decided to get the first six novels of the series.

Very engaging, so far.

Also currently reading Amity Shlaes, "Great Society: A New History."

On top of that, I'm about half way through "Great Captains: Alexander."

I find it astonishing at how much Alexander accomplished and conquered, on foot. Alexander's army appears to have covered thousands of miles, on foot, and many of his soldiers seem to have survived many of those campaigns.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 09:48 AM (WEBkv)

107 100: Also applies to the schools, parks, and every other group of bureaucrats. Open up or lay them the fuck off

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 09:48 AM (ONvIw)

108 Franco used Hitler like con man's mark and saved his country from the Commies and from WW2.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here


Interesting.
At someone else's instigation here, I started Bocaccio's Decameron, which has been burning a hole in my bookshelf for awhile. It's a collection of short stories, and interesting from the point of view of shining a light on how little people have changed in 670 years. They do the same things, are stupid in the same ways, and are venal and self-interested. It's amazing to me that some people still think you can perfect man if only the right people have all the power.



Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 09:49 AM (T6t7i)

109 I'm surprised at what my library doesn't have. I tried to find "The Cruel Sea" by Monsarrat but no go.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 09:49 AM (Dc2NZ)

110 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 09:48 AM (WEBkv)

He partially built his Army with each country he conquered .

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 09:50 AM (2DOZq)

111 Read Titan Shade by Dan Stout, one part old hard boiled detective and one part fantasy cop story set in an oil boomtown. Setting is well dine and turns into a major character and enough is given on the major alien races to make them interesting, but not overly detailed. Liked it enough to pick up next book in series in the future, but not enough to need to buy now.

Posted by: Charlotte at May 10, 2020 09:50 AM (G0qhR)

112 My possible myth or truth I do like is that Franco
used Hitler like con man's mark and saved his country from the Commies
and from WW2.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 09:43 AM (2DOZq)

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I haven't gotten to their meeting in Franco's biography yet, but if I recall correctly, when Hitler met with Franco in 1940, the meeting ran two hours and Franco spent almost all of it telling war stories from his days in North Africa.

Hitler walked out vowing never to do it again.

Franco was absolutely a cagey guy. Writing in 1948, Churchill despised him for being an ingrate. I wonder if he changed his tune later?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:52 AM (cfSRQ)

113 Eris, I gave you another book recommendation at 92. I didn't know if you'd be around today.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:53 AM (2JVJo)

114 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 09:48 AM (WEBkv)

Virtues of War by Steven Pressfield is a fantastic historical fiction novel on Alexander the Great.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 09:53 AM (2DOZq)

115 The other part of the Spanish Civil war that I love
and know is truth is that the Left / Commies turned on each other toward
the end of the war. Beautiful.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 09:46 AM (2DOZq)


Yes it was and should happen more often. The left at each others throats and getting rid of each other would make the world a better place

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 09:53 AM (PFsz9)

116 Thanks MP4!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 09:53 AM (Dc2NZ)

117 "Long Live Death" is the motto of the Spanish Foreign Legion, which played a heap big role in the war - and also the career of Franco.
What do you think?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:31 AM (cfSRQ)

Love it.

"Viva la Muerte!"

Back in my younger days, I had a friend in my group who had that tattooed on his arm with the skull and crossbones underneath.

Made me read up on General Astray and the Spanish Civil War after he explained the meaning to me.

General Astray was one tough bastard.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 10, 2020 09:54 AM (Z+IKu)

118 39 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading. Mine was interesting to say the least.
Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 09:21 AM (7EjX1)


What happened?

Did you come down with coronavirus?
Did you win the lottery?
Did you hear from a long-lost relative you thought had passed years ago?

Don't just keep us here waiting, man. Out with it!

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 09:54 AM (+klWv)

119 97 24 Posted by: JustDave in GR at May 10, 2020 09:14 AM (KBiU/)

Where's GR?
Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 09:16 AM (3Geud)

Grand Rapids?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 09:45 AM (+klWv)

Oh! Thanks. And thanks, hogmartin; I had thought you were joking around:

30 Between Rockford and Kentwood, roughly.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 09:18 AM (t+qrx)

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 09:54 AM (3Geud)

120 (This is cute. The only flaw is that It was not written by "Steven" King)


I was gonna say-- King has never written a book that short in his life.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 10, 2020 09:56 AM (oVJmc)

121 118 39 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading. Mine was interesting to say the least.

Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 09:21 AM (7EjX1)


Wait, I know, you're pregnant!

Congratulations!

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 09:56 AM (+klWv)

122 I'm only cranky because I have a hemorrhoid. Seriously, have you ever had one? Hurts like the very devil. Really makes me cranky and crave human blood...

Posted by: Murder kill death bunny at May 10, 2020 09:57 AM (Vr/JW)

123 I find it astonishing at how much Alexander accomplished and conquered, on foot. Alexander's army appears to have covered thousands of miles, on foot, and many of his soldiers seem to have survived many of those campaigns.

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One of the things that impresses me in my readings on the Eastern Front in WWII is that the German Army trudged around vast expanses of Russia mostly on foot. For all of the PR gloss about the modern mechanized Wehrmacht, most of the transport still relied on horses and most of the infantry had to walk to where they were going.

The Russians, on the other hand, had scads of Studebaker trucks to move around in, supplied by us.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 10, 2020 09:57 AM (cuKeo)

124 After reading a second Matt Helm book this week I recalled that Donald Hamilton wrote other works: westerns, mysteries, and a couple of non-fiction. I read some of them many years ago and recall liking them. The copies are long gone so I'm trying to restore them to my shelves. This means a lot of time on the used book portions of Amazon trying to find a decent copy at a decent price from a reputable dealer. Not always an easy combination to find. Also, some of the prices I'm seeing are stupidly high, like several hundred dollars for a paperback in 'average' condition. Yeah, right!

While reading the Helm story I noticed how Hamilton uses the narrator, in this case Helm, to address some bugaboos that annoy him. These are just brief observations Helm mentions in the course of the story. They don't impede the flow of the action but do serve to flesh out his character a bit. These observations can be how clothing makers don't make breast pockets on work shirts as roomy as they used to, or the proper use of language. One example that touched my heart is irritation at people who can't distinguish between 'presently' and 'at present' or confuse 'disinterested' with 'uninterested'. Just little gems that make the character a bit more real or sympathetic to the reader.

Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 09:57 AM (7EjX1)

125 Posted by: Charlotte at May 10, 2020 09:50 AM (G0qhR)

Your mentioning that reminded me of a series set in New Orleans in the oughts and early 'teens, featuring a Creole detective, Valentin St Cyr. I haven't read the entire series, only Chasing the Devil's Tail, but I enjoyed it:

https://tinyurl.com/ya6eswjj

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:58 AM (2JVJo)

126 I got my official rejection from Baen a few days ago. Not very disappointed, I gave up on it about a year ago, but oh well. On to the next thing!

Posted by: Vanya at May 10, 2020 09:58 AM (QyqEw)

127 So, I learned that Governor Whitmer has used yellow tape to close off those "little libraries" that people have in front of their houses or by stores,because of course you're going to get Corona from books that have been sitting there for weeks/s.

I did pick up a Christian romance at a "Little Library", "A Most Noble Heir" by Susan Anne Mason. The story itself was o.k. What makes it Christian is that the characters pray a lot during it and occasionally quote passages of Scripture and , I suppose, that there are no steamy love scenes although people do kiss passionately. Except for getting married they never seem to go to church, though. You also get the impression that the father of the protagonist having been widowed at 23 remains celibate until touched by the love of another woman 20 years later, which seems unbelievable in Victorian England. When the married couple is about to have sex they don't do descriptions, but the virgin wife feels fulfilled afterwards . The only romances I have read are historical ones by Georgette Heyer (Yay!) and Heyer was a witty fine writer, and one by Barbara Cartland which was o.k. but not great) which don't contain sex scenes, but I don't know about modern romances having never read one except for this Christian one by Mason.

I don't know if this is a tendency of romance novelists but they use adjectives and adverbs a lot. I made my husband laugh by reading some of the passages. The first is not an exact quote, but it gives the flavor. The second one is a direct quote. Hannah's's bosom heaved fitfully as she thought about what John had said. "Her words unleashed a torrent of emotion that rose through his chest and congealed in his throat." I think writers call this "telling rather than showing."

"I believe I could write a romance novel if I just put in more overwrought passages using many adverbs and adjectives,," Fenelon said to herself as and her bosom swelled as she thought about the possible pecuniary advantages."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 09:58 AM (bW1Yb)

128 In two years, if I'm still around (one never knows), a book I have ("The Life of Mary Queen of Scotts, vol. II") will turn 200 years old. Yes, it was published in 1822. Yes, it is the original (needs to be re-bound). No, I have not read it, though I should. I also have an original of "Daniel Webster's Works, vol IV" though that was only printed in 1857. I have read part of it. I used it as an original source for an AP History essay on the Bank of the United States and my teach demanded to see it as proof. (Not too many 11th grade bibliographies have "1857" as the publishing date.) He was kind of gobsmacked when I brought it in. My father got these, and more (but none cooler) at a State Dept used book sale in 1983 or 84. He let me pick whatever I wanted, so now I've got a bunch of books from 1822 to the early 1900s. Thanks Dad!

Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2020 09:58 AM (KAi1n)

129 The Left doesn't have any principles higher than their "Will to Power."

Posted by: JAS at May 10, 2020 10:02 AM (dT9VH)

130 the Marquis de Montespan, a fiery and impoverished Gascon, let it be known that he intended to visit the most unsalubrious brothels, infect himself with the nastiest of poxes, and pass on his infections to his wife and thence to the king. To avert this unpleasant outcome, Montespan was arrested and sent into exile."

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Any man gives the King the pox, spends a lot of nights in the box.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 10, 2020 10:02 AM (cuKeo)

131 "I believe I could write a romance novel if I just put in more overwrought passages using many adverbs and adjectives,," Fenelon said to herself as and her bosom swelled as she thought about the possible pecuniary advantages."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 09:58 AM (bW1Yb)


In one of my writing books, the author talks about a friend of his who, in the first draft, writes any sex scenes as XXX as possible, then in rewrites, pares it all down to G or PG-rated, having got the mechanics and vocals out of his system.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:02 AM (2JVJo)

132 yes the back story to the civil war, as I recall from Michael Burleighs Sacred Places, the Popular Front government, much like the ones Spain has now, was elected in the height of the Depression, but as a sympathetic observer like Orwell noted it wasm't very good at managing basic tasks of government, the Soviet advisors had Largo Caballero going after anarquists and Trotskytes, the Church rightly resented the power grab, so did many small landowners, Franco a veteran of the Moroccan conquests was an imperfect vehicle for the project of reclaiming Spain from the Marxists he sought help from whoever would provide it, like German and Italian Forces,

Posted by: gaius martius at May 10, 2020 10:03 AM (hMlTh)

133 Hannah's's bosom heaved fitfully as she thought about what John had
said. "Her words unleashed a torrent of emotion that rose through his
chest and congealed in his throat."


Was it a dark and stormy night? Also, I'm pretty sure that it wasn't her words that caused things to rise in John. Her fitfully heaving bosom is the more likely culprit.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:03 AM (T6t7i)

134 I got my official rejection from Baen a few days ago. Not very disappointed, I gave up on it about a year ago, but oh well. On to the next thing!
Posted by: Vanya at May 10, 2020 09:58 AM (QyqEw)


I'm sorry! But fortunately, self-publishing is a lot cheaper and accepted than in the old days.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:03 AM (2JVJo)

135 (Spoilers)
Libraries and librarians.
I read the review of Pete the Cat:I love my white shoes!
Summary:
Pete the Cat goes walking down the street wearing his brand-new white shoes. Along the way, his shoes change from white to red to blue to brown to WET as he steps in piles of strawberries, blueberries, and other big messes!
Review:
The moral of the story keep going no matter what happens to you in life may sound like good advice, but it doesn't instill any sense of power in children it just tells them to accept their fate. ...there's not much here to get excited about.
Maryann H. Owen, Racine Public Library, WI

Posted by: Downcast at May 10, 2020 10:04 AM (xgpfE)

136 Wait a second, Cicero! You mean to tell me that Fozzie was right and a bear's natural habitat is a Studebaker?!

Posted by: pookysgirl, happy mom at May 10, 2020 10:04 AM (XKZwp)

137 "I believe I could write a romance novel if I just put in more overwrought passages using many adverbs and adjectives,," Fenelon said to herself as and her bosom swelled as she thought about the possible pecuniary advantages."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 09:58 AM (bW1Yb)



Put Fabio on the cover and start thinking about how you'll spend your royalty checks.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 10:04 AM (PiwSw)

138 One example that touched my heart is irritation at people who can't distinguish between 'presently' and 'at present' or confuse 'disinterested' with 'uninterested'. Just little gems that make the character a bit more real or sympathetic to the reader.

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The uninterested vs disinterested one is a pet peeve of mine but it seems to be a losing battle. They're mostly used interchangeably today.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 10, 2020 10:05 AM (cuKeo)

139 In two years, if I'm still around (one never knows), a book I have ("The
Life of Mary Queen of Scotts, vol. II") will turn 200 years old. Yes,
it was published in 1822. Yes, it is the original (needs to be
re-bound). No, I have not read it, though I should. I also have an
original of "Daniel Webster's Works, vol IV" though that was only
printed in 1857. I have read part of it. I used it as an original source
for an AP History essay on the Bank of the United States and my teach
demanded to see it as proof. (Not too many 11th grade bibliographies
have "1857" as the publishing date.) He was kind of gobsmacked when I
brought it in. My father got these, and more (but none cooler) at a
State Dept used book sale in 1983 or 84. He let me pick whatever I
wanted, so now I've got a bunch of books from 1822 to the early 1900s.


I need a cigarette, and I don't smoke.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:05 AM (T6t7i)

140 Good morning, all! Well, we took everyones' advice and held off reshelving all the books in the built-in hallway bookshelf ... and alas, there is not enough room for all. I thought there would be, but ... a serious cull is called for, as well as perhaps another custom bookshelf.
Dipping into the Outlander series, between bouts of carting boxes of paperbacks around...
And work on the next Luna City installment proceeds apace.

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at May 10, 2020 10:05 AM (xnmPy)

141 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 09:58 AM (bW1Yb
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You could always use the Old Testament as source material.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:05 AM (WEBkv)

142 I think the oldest book in my collection is a bound copy of issues of Punch magazine from 1857.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (2JVJo)

143 My Library is also still closed. I've been using the "Emergency Library" at Internet Archive (Archive.org) that I learned about from the book thread last month.

I don't believe anything new in the last 5 years is available. I searched about twenty books in my 'future' list, and I'd say about half were available.
('Nothing Lasts Forever' is there)

FYI:
Physical book > Kindle book > scanned pdf book.

I've been reading pdf copies from Archive.com
Not the best, but it's working for me.
I have a list that will keep me busy for longer than the "no waiting" emergency period should last.



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Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (x8Q/V)

144 In one of my writing books, the author talks about a
friend of his who, in the first draft, writes any sex scenes as XXX as
possible, then in rewrites, pares it all down to G or PG-rated, having
got the mechanics and vocals out of his system.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:02 AM (2JVJo)

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I should think doing the opposite would do more to boost sales.

Of course I find sex scenes tedious to write and boring to read. My novels have sex in them, but I don't see the need to provide a play-by-play description.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (cfSRQ)

145 The uninterested vs disinterested one is a pet peeve of mine but it seems to be a losing battle. They're mostly used interchangeably today.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 10, 2020 10:05 AM (cuKeo)
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I'm indifferent to your lack of curiosity.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (WEBkv)

146 Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:03 AM (T6t7i)

LOL. No, the two sentences were not connected. The first was made up. The male characters didn't talk about "boobies" or "breasts" in this Christian romance . They just generally remark on the great attractiveness of the women or say they're charming and flirtatious or their touching them makes their heart race, not that it causes other sensations in other parts of their bodies. . I didn't pay anything for this book, so I didn't lose anything, and I probably would prefer a historical Christian romance to a modern one.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 10:08 AM (bW1Yb)

147 My oldest book is an 1877 bio entitled "Prince Bismark". It's beautifully illustrated, leather bound and in great shape (for its age).

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:08 AM (T6t7i)

148 Eleutheromania shall be the official medical reason I am unable to wear a mask.

Posted by: LASue at May 10, 2020 10:09 AM (Ed8Zd)

149 Someone above mentioned On The Beach. I always thought it sounded good but never got around to reading it. Went to Amazon and it was free for kindle. So now it's on the stack and will be read (eventually)

Posted by: Who knew at May 10, 2020 10:09 AM (SfO/T)

150 A good antidote to "Lord of the Flies" is "Tunnel in the Sky" by Robert Heinlein. One of his YA "Juveniles", all of which are highly recommended.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 09:24 AM (PiwSw)

It also has a lovely takedown of journalism, prescient for its time.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 10, 2020 10:10 AM (qyH+l)

151 mr sinmi says Spanish Foreign Legion nickname is Los Novios de la Muerte (Bridegrooms of Death). ?Es verdad?

Posted by: sinmi at May 10, 2020 10:10 AM (A5IVt)

152 133 Hannah's's bosom heaved fitfully as she thought about what John had
said. "Her words unleashed a torrent of emotion that rose through his
chest and congealed in his throat."

Was it a dark and stormy night? Also, I'm pretty sure that it wasn't her words that caused things to rise in John. Her fitfully heaving bosom is the more likely culprit.
Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:03 AM (T6t7i)
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From the Bulwer-Lytton contest:

"Her heaving bosom rose and fell like twin boiling suet puddings at Epsomtide, gleaming in the low glow of the incredulous candelabrum, bursting the straining fabric of her wildly embroidered kimono."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:11 AM (Dc2NZ)

153 Many of Spain's Commie fighter's did join the French resistance to fight the Nazi's in WW2. Lot of commies in the French resistance. Probably one of the main reasons France sucked after WW2 IMHO.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 10:11 AM (2DOZq)

154 Of course I find sex scenes tedious to write and boring to read. My novels have sex in them, but I don't see the need to provide a play-by-play description.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (cfSRQ)


They are very hard. I'm fortunate in that my narrator never has sex with Theda Bara, but I do indulge a few of my little fetishes here and there in each book. I only ever wrote one full-out X-rated scene, but that was more a private indulgence to get it done and over with than anything else.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:11 AM (2JVJo)

155 The Russians, on the other hand, had scads of Studebaker trucks to move around in, supplied by us.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 10, 2020 09:57 AM (cuKeo)

136 Wait a second, Cicero! You mean to tell me that Fozzie was right and a bear's natural habitat is a Studebaker?!
Posted by: pookysgirl, happy mom at May 10, 2020 10:04 AM (XKZwp)

Why the book thread is the best of all possible threads example # 7,324

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at May 10, 2020 10:11 AM (x8Q/V)

156 *waves to sinmi*

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 10:11 AM (t+qrx)

157 Of course I find sex scenes tedious to write and boring to read. My novels have sex in them, but I don't see the need to provide a play-by-play description.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (cfSRQ)
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To be read in a Howard Cosell voice.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:12 AM (Dc2NZ)

158 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:11 AM (Dc2NZ)

Well done!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 10:13 AM (bW1Yb)

159 the Church rightly resented the power grab, so did
many small landowners, Franco a veteran of the Moroccan conquests was an
imperfect vehicle for the project of reclaiming Spain from the Marxists
he sought help from whoever would provide it, like German and Italian
Forces,

Posted by: at May 10, 2020 10:03 AM (hMlTh)

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I don't think the Church resented the power grab so much as the massacre of thousands of priests and nuns.

And the church burnings. Lots of them.

The left went on such a rampage that there were fears that ALL of Spain's historic art might go up in flames. I think they had to secretly empty some of the museums lest the Year Zero types break in.

Weird how wanton murder and mayhem might piss normal people off.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (cfSRQ)

160 Can anyone recommend a good history of the Italian campaign in WWII? I just finished a book about the North African campaign and realized I know nothing about Italy.

Posted by: Blutarski at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (VNfwt)

161 I think it's a very stupid idea to close libraries during this epidemic.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (bW1Yb)

162 JTB! JTB! Are you still there, JTB!
I am currently translating a 2-volume history of the Spanish Civil War by one Rafael Abella, who actually fought in Franco's army. This is a purely private project; the book is still under copyright, but I figure I'm OK as long as I don't try to sell it. Two volumes: Nationalist (Franco) Spain, which is the one I'm working on first, and Republican Spain. Almost done with the first. I have to trim some of the rhetorical orotundities, and I also have to footnote the hell out of it, because Abella was writing in the 70s and just referred to politicians and generals by their surnames, assuming his readers would know who he was talking about.

The title is "Daily Life During the Spanish Civil War," but it covers a good deal of army life as well, at least from the grunt's-eye view.

I would be happy to send along extracts if you're interested, or if not, at least point you to some of the more reliable Wiki sources I used to get clear descriptions of people and incidents which the author sometimes just skims over. You can reach me at abutzen - at - gmail dot com.

Posted by: Annalucia at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (S6ArX)

163 Of course I find sex scenes tedious to write and boring to read. My novels have sex in them, but I don't see the need to provide a play-by-play description.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (cfSRQ)

Totally unnecessary in the Jaws novel. I believe the success of the movie proves that opinion .

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (2DOZq)

164 Franco wasn't initially devout, but he became more so under the influence of his wife, of course the Republic had it's picks of propagandists like Hemingway who ended up recruited by the NKVD, Orwell soured on them after the persecutions of the Anarquists, Dos Passos had his Damascus experience under similar circumstances, a young Herbert Matthews, was busy publishing fake news, like what he would later do with Fidel twenty years later, The Natiomalists had few supporters, even Kim Philby who pretended to do so for the Times, had already been recruited by the Soviets by 1934 at the latest

Posted by: gaius martius at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (hMlTh)

165 Winnie the Pooh hears a WHO ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8304471

Der Spiegel published ...

President Xi 'asked WHO to delay global warning about Covid-19 ...

WHO called the report's shock claims 'unfounded and untrue' ...

Posted by: Christopher Robin at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (AHq56)

166 And I'm a f'ing idiot, because the email to JTB should have been to A H Lloyd, who is actually working on a Spanish Civil War book.
However, I also have a copy of "Lost Country Life," and I'm happy to discuss that too.

Posted by: Annalucia at May 10, 2020 10:15 AM (S6ArX)

167 Of course I find sex scenes tedious to write and
boring to read. My novels have sex in them, but I don't see the need to
provide a play-by-play description.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (cfSRQ)

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To be read in a Howard Cosell voice.



Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:12 AM (Dc2NZ)

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"I haven't seen a man take a blow like that since Hugh Grant!"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:15 AM (cfSRQ)

168 On a different note, has anyone else had the bitter experience of reading a series and then the author just stops well before the finish?

In my case, I mean the author Walter McDougall. In 2009, he began a 3-volume history of the US. The first volume was Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History, 1585-1828. The second volume was Throes of Democracy: The American Civil War Era, 1829-1877.

And then that was it. The third volume never came out.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:16 AM (2JVJo)

169 "To be read in a Howard Cosell voice. "


Hey, what about me?

Posted by: Bob Uecker at May 10, 2020 10:17 AM (PiwSw)

170 I find that a fascinating topic! Because I don't think I've seen a good one on that yet. All most everyone "knows" about it is a lot of myth and fantasy.

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I like pictures of the war because they were steampunk before there was a steampunk. For example . . .

https://bit.ly/2SSeLXZ

https://bit.ly/35MRlIC

https://bit.ly/2SQzTxS

https://bit.ly/2yLgojf

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 10:17 AM (+y/Ru)

171 Totally unnecessary in the Jaws novel. I believe the success of the movie proves that opinion .
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (2DOZq)
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Concur.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:17 AM (WEBkv)

172 I just finished a book about the North African campaign and realized I know nothing about Italy.

Posted by: Blutarski at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (VNfwt)

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Well, it's shaped like a boot and they eat a lot of pasta.

That's all I got.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:17 AM (cfSRQ)

173 118 ... "What happened?

Did you come down with coronavirus?
Did you win the lottery?
Did you hear from a long-lost relative you thought had passed years ago?

Don't just keep us here waiting, man. Out with it!"

OM,
Not trying for suspense. (Well, no really.)
As you can see in the comments, there was the pleasant surprise of the Dorothy Hartley book and recalling the non-Helm books by Donald Hamilton. Add in the ongoing hobby reading on guns, woodcarving, and history.

This is another way of saying I am avoiding, for my mental health, as much of the Wu-Flu related news that inundates EVERY F'ING THING these days as possible.

Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 10:18 AM (7EjX1)

174 Hey, what about me?
Posted by: Bob Uecker at May 10, 2020 10:17 AM (PiwSw)
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"Oh, the tag was slapped on him just as he thought he'd reached third base successfully!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:18 AM (WEBkv)

175 I'd prefer a historical Jewish romance. Something like:

"Becky Goldstein needs to lace her corset tighter because, yeah, her rack is like finding the Afikomen, but oy-fucking-vey, every time she opens her mouth, it's one whine after another. I tell you, last weekend, she wouldn't stop bitching about the color of the new carriage her father bought. Makes me think about finding a nice Catholic girl whose ass I can slap until she comes, and then cooks me up some fine matzah bri."

Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2020 10:19 AM (KAi1n)

176 On a different note, has anyone else had the bitter experience of reading a series and then the author just stops well before the finish?
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Alexei Panshin never finished his Anthony Villiers series.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 10:19 AM (4o2K3)

177 I've got a copy of "The Library Of Universal Knowledge, Vol XV", dated 1881. Covers Vegetable Chemistry thru Zymotic Diseases. I wish I had all the other volumes as my universal knowledge is incomplete.

Posted by: freaked at May 10, 2020 10:19 AM (Tnijr)

178 The moral of the story keep going no matter what happens to you in life may sound like good advice, but it doesn't instill any sense of power in children it just tells them to accept their fate. ...there's not much here to get excited about.
Maryann H. Owen, Racine Public Library, WI
Posted by: Downcast at May 10, 2020 10:04 AM (xgpfE)

Except the fate is stained shoes. It's a don't make a mountain of a molehill story. Which IS good sound advice.

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 10:20 AM (ONvIw)

179 the YA book that impressed me recently was The Far Frontier, by William O Steele.

Tobias Bledsoe is a settler boy in Tennessee (Holston River country) who is "bound over" as a guide for a naturalist, Asa Twistletree. from the East for ready money to his father.

"When an man spends two hours rooting around in the woods and comes back with a full poke, you might think he had game in it, rabbits or 'possums,, something to eat or at least worth skinning. He might have nuts or there'd be ginseng roots to sell, or even simples like Tobe's ma was forever gathering.
But no! What Asa Twistletree had in that sack, Tobe well knew, was leaves and seed pods and flowers, a rotten bird's egg, a dead lizard, a handful of rocks, and a ledger book."


They travel West, with Tobe hunting and doing camp duties, discover a coal seam by building a fire on it in the dark, get tangled up with the Cherokees around the war leader Dragging Canoe, and explore a Mound Builder's settlement site. While traveling Twistletree teaches Tobe his letters and some math
When they get back to home, Tobias discovers that his family had moved back Kentucky where they had come from, and he realized he could either go with them, or stay on the frontier.

William O Steel wrote a lot of YA frontier books, and was from Tennessee. He won a Newberry award, back when.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 10, 2020 10:21 AM (WyVLE)

180 Well, it's shaped like a boot and they eat a lot of pasta.

That's all I got.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:17 AM (cfSRQ)


On the field of battle they are abject cowards, and in the kitchen they're enthralled with bruised tomatoes and the noodle only.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 10:21 AM (t+qrx)

181 Of course I find sex scenes tedious to write and boring to read. My novels have sex in them, but I don't see the need to provide a play-by-play description.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (cfSRQ)

Totally unnecessary in the Jaws novel. I believe the success of the movie proves that opinion .
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (2DOZq)
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And how long would the protagobist survive after having sex with a shark?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 10:21 AM (4o2K3)

182 I did pick up a Christian romance at a "Little Library", "A Most Noble Heir" by Susan Anne Mason. The story itself was o.k. What makes it Christian is that the characters pray a lot during it and occasionally quote passages of Scripture and , I suppose, that there are no steamy love scenes although people do kiss passionately.

"I believe I could write a romance novel if I just put in more overwrought passages using many adverbs and adjectives,," Fenelon said to herself as and her bosom swelled as she thought about the possible pecuniary advantages."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 09:58 AM (bW1Yb)


I remember some years ago reading an article about a couple who wrote a romance novel and their efforts to get it published. Apparently, it wasn't all that good, so what they finally did was replace the steamy sex scenes with prayer scenes and pitched it to a Christian publisher.

Who, naturally, bought it. It sounds like it could be the one you just read. I mean, really, "heaving bosoms" is such a trope it's almost a parody.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 10:21 AM (+klWv)

183 Fenelon, if you are a fan of bad writing, you should check out the Bulwer-Lytton contest:

https://www.bulwer-lytton.com/winners

A testament to the turgid purple prose of this very popular Victorian author.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:22 AM (Dc2NZ)

184 Can anyone recommend a good history of the Italian campaign in WWII? I just finished a book about the North African campaign and realized I know nothing about Italy.

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Rick Atkinson's Day of Battle is good.

https://amzn.to/3cltz9i

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 10:22 AM (+y/Ru)

185 161 I think it's a very stupid idea to close libraries during this epidemic.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (bW1Yb)

NJ is a vast expanse of stupid ideas.

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 10:22 AM (ONvIw)

186 Franco wasn't initially devout, but he became more
so under the influence of his wife,

Posted by: gaius martius at May 10, 2020 10:14 AM (hMlTh)

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Payne's biography says otherwise.

Franco's mother was very religious and he alone of his brothers showed interest in religion. Unlike other officers he didn't visit brothers or get drunk and his courtships were entirely proper. When he first met his future wife she was considered too young to be properly engaged, so he bided his time and since she was in a convent school, went to daily mass just to see her.

His wife reinforced his faith, but he actually did a Marian consecration years before he met her.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:22 AM (cfSRQ)

187 Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2020 10:19 AM (KAi1n)

I had to look up "Afikomen." Well done.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:23 AM (2JVJo)

188 168
On a different note, has anyone else had the bitter experience of
reading a series and then the author just stops well before the finish?


William Manchester wrote what was to be a trilogy bio on Churchill (The Last Lion), but got Alzheimer's before he could write the last, and most important, volume. Volume 3 was "co-written" with Paul Reid, but IMHO, it just ain't the same.

In a particularly enraging aside, there is a bio of Teddy Kennedy entitled "The Last Lion; the Fall and Rise of Ted Kennedy". Putting those two in any kind of proximity violates the space-time continuum.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:23 AM (T6t7i)

189 I consistently forgot to look up the etymology for the name of Eleuthera Island. Greek for yogurt.

Posted by: klaftern at May 10, 2020 10:23 AM (RuIsu)

190 Alexei Panshin never finished his Anthony Villiers series.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 10:19 AM (4o2K3)


Which reminds me William Manchester never finished his Winston Churchill 3-volume bio.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:23 AM (2JVJo)

191 On Alexander: I saw a very thought provoking mini-series once, "Alexander's Lost World", about his forays into Central Asia. One of their provocative speculations is that we have no idea of how much central Asia has dried up over the last 2300 years, but the apparent population of the area at that time may have been 10 times as high as it is today, which implies that it was far, far wetter, a land of cultivated fields and orchards, not deserts as it is now.

They speculated that it may have been possible, due to now dried up rivers and waterways, for Alexander's Army to have gotten to the Caspian Sea, and even to the Aral Sea beyond it (Modern Kazakhstan) completely by boat. If so, Alexander's rapid conquest of the area is much easier to understand.

The series was fascinating in part because there was a lot of film of vast, once thriving cities, now nothing but ruins in the middle of deserts with nothing growing for miles.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 10:24 AM (V2Yro)

192 You know little of the Italian campaign because there really wasn't one. Some people will go on about Abyssinia or Albania. But, yeah. No.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 10, 2020 10:24 AM (EZebt)

193 To go back to the original question - what are we reading during the plague? - I'm too restless for pulp or anything light so I read biography and history - the longer ago, the better. Right now Brown Line and I are reading aloud John Julius Norwich's "History of Venice." We're in the year 1177 and there's been a Papal-Imperial-Venetian scrum that's only just got sorted out.
I'm also reading "Secret Enemy: The Story of a Disease." What disease, you ask? Syphilis. It was published in 1959 and I guess that prevented the S-word going into the title.

Posted by: Annalucia at May 10, 2020 10:24 AM (S6ArX)

194 And I'm a f'ing idiot, because the email to JTB
should have been to A H Lloyd, who is actually working on a Spanish
Civil War book.
However, I also have a copy of "Lost Country Life," and I'm happy to discuss that too.


Posted by: Annalucia at May 10, 2020 10:15 AM (S6ArX)

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My email is on my web site (link in nic). I'd love to read what you have.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:24 AM (cfSRQ)

195 In a particularly enraging aside, there is a bio of Teddy Kennedy entitled "The Last Lion; the Fall and Rise of Ted Kennedy". Putting those two in any kind of proximity violates the space-time continuum.
Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:23 AM (T6t7i)
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That book about Kennedy sounds more like "fluffing by print" than actual biography.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:25 AM (WEBkv)

196 Rick Atkinson's Day of Battle is good.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

Thank you! I'm on it. I think he wrote the book on the African campaign I just finished.

Posted by: Blutarski at May 10, 2020 10:25 AM (VNfwt)

197 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 10:17 AM (+y/Ru)

Are those dummies to fool reconnaissance, or training vehicles, or improvised tanks to scare the natives of the Hollow Earth?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:26 AM (Dc2NZ)

198 And pep mentioned Manchester before me.

BTW, I recommend Manchester's history of the Renaissance, A World Lit Only By Fire.

https://tinyurl.com/y8gqfokj

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:26 AM (2JVJo)

199 There's reputable medical intelligence that Vitamin D deficiency contributes to Virus mortality.

So sunshine and vitamins. Only some foods help, like egg yolks.

Vitamin D is thought to inhibit immune systems from redlining which causes respiratory damage

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 10:27 AM (9TdxA)

200 On the field of battle they are abject cowards, and in the kitchen they're enthralled with bruised tomatoes and the noodle only.



Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 10:21 AM (t+qrx)

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Don't forget the calamari.

Also: wine. In vino veritas. I think it means winos never lie.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:27 AM (cfSRQ)

201 The only thing I can tell you about the Italian campaign in WW2 is that the uniform with the feather in their cap was not very intimidating.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 10:27 AM (2DOZq)

202 Those killer bunny memes are not funny.

Posted by: Jimmuh Carter at May 10, 2020 10:28 AM (2HIdp)

203 I had to look up "Afikomen." Well done.

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2020 10:28 AM (KAi1n)

204 Right now Brown Line and I are reading aloud John Julius Norwich's "History of Venice." We're in the year 1177 and there's been a Papal-Imperial-Venetian scrum that's only just got sorted out.

One of these days I have to start reading Norwich's history of Byzantium.

He wrote a wonderful history of the Papacy, Absolute Monarchs:

https://tinyurl.com/y8xvuenm

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:28 AM (2JVJo)

205 His wife reinforced his faith, but he actually did a Marian consecration years before he met her.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:22 AM (cfSRQ)

Although separated by 300 years and from different cultures, I find Francisco Franco and Oliver Cromwell to be very similar men. From a pure military angle, I'd give Cromwell the edge, you could call him the Erwin Rommel of his day.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 10:28 AM (V2Yro)

206 A.H. Lloyd-

The "heaving bosom" line was made up. That was me The second quote was an actual one from the book.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 10:28 AM (bW1Yb)

207 One of their provocative speculations is that we have no idea of how
much central Asia has dried up over the last 2300 years, but the
apparent population of the area at that time may have been 10 times as
high as it is today, which implies that it was far, far wetter, a land
of cultivated fields and orchards, not deserts as it is now.


Damn Alexander and his fleets of SUVs.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:28 AM (T6t7i)

208 zymotic disease

An obsolete term for any epidemic, endemic, contagious, or sporadic affection which is produced by some morbific principle or organism acting on the system like a ferment.

Posted by: freaked at May 10, 2020 10:28 AM (Tnijr)

209 Rommel thought the Italian soldiers were fine, it was their leadership that stank.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:29 AM (Dc2NZ)

210 Italy in WWII short version:
Anzio
Catch 22
Volcano

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at May 10, 2020 10:29 AM (x8Q/V)

211 195 In a particularly enraging aside, there is a bio of Teddy Kennedy entitled "The Last Lion; the Fall and Rise of Ted Kennedy". Putting those two in any kind of proximity violates the space-time continuum.
Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:23 AM (T6t7i)


The working title "The Last Half of a Waitress Sandwich" was vetoed during the final edit...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 10:30 AM (PiwSw)

212 Okay folks, I'm off to see Mom. I'll check back this evening.

Cheeri-O!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:30 AM (Dc2NZ)

213 Right now Brown Line and I are reading aloud John Julius Norwich's "History of Venice." We're in the year 1177 and there's been a Papal-Imperial-Venetian scrum that's only just got sorted out.

I should probably read more of his work than just the three volume Byzantium. So many books, so little time...

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 10:30 AM (y7DUB)

214 the pattern was somewhat replicated in my parents lnative land a generation later, Batista was no rightist stalwart, he had let the commies into Government in the 30, and they helped write the 1940 constitution a documents as sjw as one could imagine, free education, free health care, et al, utterly unworkable in the best of times, the aftermath of the initial student takeovers was they were granted fiefdoms in the universities as weve seen with the Occupy movement that's a recipe for trouble,

Posted by: gaius martius at May 10, 2020 10:30 AM (hMlTh)

215 209 Rommel thought the Italian soldiers were fine, it was their leadership that stank.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:29 AM (Dc2NZ)

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To be fair, they were good against Ethiopians.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 10, 2020 10:30 AM (cuKeo)

216 I like pictures of the war because they were steampunk before there was a steampunk. For example . . .


Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 10:17 AM (+y/Ru)

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They were also all-about copies of the Mauser C-96, which is the steampunk pistol of choice.

Remember, it was the Spanish, not the Germans, who came up with making it full-auto and adding detachable box magazines.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:30 AM (cfSRQ)

217 "Can anyone recommend a good history of the Italian campaign in WWII? I
just finished a book about the North African campaign and realized I
know nothing about Italy."

Bill Mauldin's autobiography, "The Brass Ring", has a long section about Italy, from the grunt's POV. Mauldin wrote as well as he drew, and his observations about Italy and the soldiers who fought there, are well worth reading.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 10, 2020 10:30 AM (S6ArX)

218 Are those dummies to fool reconnaissance, or training vehicles, or improvised tanks to scare the natives of the Hollow Earth?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

As far as I know, they were improvised combat vehicles.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 10:31 AM (+y/Ru)

219 In a particularly enraging aside, there is a bio of Teddy Kennedy entitled "The Last Lion; the Fall and Rise of Ted Kennedy". Putting those two in any kind of proximity violates the space-time continuum.
Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:23 AM (T6t7i)


The working title "The Last Half of a Waitress Sandwich" was vetoed during the final edit...
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 10:30 AM (PiwSw)

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I would put in a vote for Waterproof

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 10, 2020 10:31 AM (cuKeo)

220 199 There's reputable medical intelligence that Vitamin D deficiency contributes to Virus mortality.

So sunshine and vitamins. Only some foods help, like egg yolks.

Vitamin D is thought to inhibit immune systems from redlining which causes respiratory damage
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 10:27 AM (9TdxA)

You can't turn around without reading how some supplement will be the be all and end all. Today someone sent me a link about L-glutathione. I said thanks and thought "maybe via prescription inhalation" like with CF. I can't wait for this to end

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 10:31 AM (ONvIw)

221 198
And pep mentioned Manchester before me.



BTW, I recommend Manchester's history of the Renaissance, A World Lit Only By Fire.


Agree, that was a very interesting read.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:31 AM (T6t7i)

222 "The Flying Inn" is also on Gutenberg, for free:

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/59239

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at May 10, 2020 10:32 AM (cqteU)

223 Vitamin D is thought to inhibit immune systems from redlining which causes respiratory damage

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 10:27 AM (9TdxA)


Interesting.Even "Doctor Mike Hansen" did not have this tidbit.This is the best overall explanation of how the virus works I've seen; from his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKvIYwqQkEHe also has a good one called "How COVID-19 kills" or something like that.

Posted by: Anthony Fauci at May 10, 2020 10:32 AM (AHq56)

224 From the Library of Universal Knowledge, 1881 on Zymotic Diseases

"They are emphatically called the "morbi populares"

It's the very last entry in the book.

Posted by: freaked at May 10, 2020 10:32 AM (Tnijr)

225 162 ... Annalucia,

I think you intended that for somene else.

Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 10:33 AM (7EjX1)

226 Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 10:21 AM (+klWv)

I think it's sad if people are including prayer scenes and Christianity in novels if they have no interest in prayer and faith aside to make fun of it (because parody is a different genre) or from selling things to Christian publishers. I get the impression from what she says about writing novels is that this author is a Christian.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 10:34 AM (bW1Yb)

227 I hate merely lurking, but the pinched nerve has reverted to the pain level of January. Can barely type.

The Sp Civil War military history sounds an interesting project. But to do it right would take a long time. Good luck.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 10, 2020 10:34 AM (ZbwAu)

228 Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 10:31 AM (ONvIw)


Vitamin D has long been linked to Immune response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bga_qG30JyY

see also other videos on this channel.

Posted by: Dr John Campbell at May 10, 2020 10:34 AM (AHq56)

229 Manchester's American Caesar is one of my favorites. That he reportedly did not like MacArthur makes it even better since I think MacArthur comes off looking very good IMHO and this lends truth to what is written.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 10:35 AM (2DOZq)

230 MiL told Mrs. Franpsycho if she can't go out for a drink it's not worth celebrating Mother's Day.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 10, 2020 10:36 AM (EZebt)

231 By the way, anyone know of a good book on the history of medicine?

I have a smattering of knowledge about various medical ideas over the centuries but it would be nice to read something that was a good overview of the subject.

The more in-depth the better.

Thanks.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:36 AM (WEBkv)

232 All right, I decided on a whim to order a book on the history of the papacy, so that's it for me. Now I am going to make a cup of tea, get away from my desk, curl up on the couch with my "scene slips" and see if I can get my way out of this block. Otherwise, I'll be tempted to visit naughty websites and that will only make me feel worse.

Hope you all have a lovely day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:36 AM (2JVJo)

233 209 Rommel thought the Italian soldiers were fine, it was their leadership that stank.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:29 AM (Dc2NZ)
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They actually saved his ass early in the Gazala battle.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 10, 2020 10:37 AM (ZbwAu)

234 Manchester's American Caesar is one of my favorites. That he reportedly did not like MacArthur makes it even better since I think MacArthur comes off looking very good IMHO and this lends truth to what is written.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 10:35 AM (2DOZq)
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Manchester in his memoir refers to MacArthur as a "baffling, frustrating man", so, yeah.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 10:38 AM (4o2K3)

235 Although separated by 300 years and from different
cultures, I find Francisco Franco and Oliver Cromwell to be very similar
men. From a pure military angle, I'd give Cromwell the edge, you could
call him the Erwin Rommel of his day.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 10:28 AM (V2Yro)

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I have a chapter analyzing Franco's generalship. I think he was better than most historians are willing to admit.

The plan for the book (so far) is to do a couple of chapters setting the scene and taking us to the start of the war.

I then pause and have a series of chapters discussing the military aspects of the war I feel are significant. I try to keep it conversational, but I do get into the deeper elements of regiments vs "mixed brigades" and so on. This is what I am working on now.

The third part will be a discussion of the course of the war using those aspects to explain what happened.

Thanks to MPPP's advice, I will probably add an appendix with mini-bios of the people mentioned in the text. I don't intend to do a ton of name-dropping, because the focus isn't politics but operational/strategic decision-making.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:38 AM (cfSRQ)

236 Thanks to MPPP's advice, I will probably add an appendix with mini-bios of the people mentioned in the text. I don't intend to do a ton of name-dropping, because the focus isn't politics but operational/strategic decision-making.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:38 AM (cfSRQ)
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Do you need a beta reader? Because this sort of history is something I really enjoy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:40 AM (WEBkv)

237 Hi hogmartin!! Great day to stay inside and read something recommended by Eris, I think.

Posted by: sinmi at May 10, 2020 10:42 AM (A5IVt)

238 227
I hate merely lurking, but the pinched nerve has reverted to the pain level of January. Can barely type.



The Sp Civil War military history sounds an interesting project. But to do it right would take a long time. Good luck.



Posted by: Eeyore at May 10, 2020 10:34 AM (ZbwAu)

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Sorry to hear that.

I'm not sure how detailed I will get. It could be just a series of essays. I write for fun, so when it stops being fun I'll wrap it up and publish it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:42 AM (cfSRQ)

239 Trump went on an Obamagate twitter tear today.

We're getting closer to something happening.

Shit's getting crazy. And Obama is now openly responding.

Let's get this over with.

Posted by: Last Days of the Republic. at May 10, 2020 10:43 AM (4Q1w7)

240 Continuing through my HP Lovecraft collection, I got to the big one: 'The Call of Cthulhu.' And it actually lived up to the hype. Way more interesting than anything in the collection up to that point. Given how the story is presented, I can see why it hasn't had a decent movie adaptation. The structure of the narrative only works in the context of old-fashioned short story....But the story itself is pretty cool.

Posted by: Castle Guy at May 10, 2020 10:45 AM (Lhaco)

241 I stand corrected that was the impression that Burleigh presented. Pope Pius was conflicted even as a diplomat, dealing with regimes like the Nationalists Salazar, who was an economist by training, he Italians and the Nazis the last two were very strongly anticlerical, in addition to their other faults, he was also running a spy ring through certain right of center German politicos inside Nazi Germany, this is what the anti Papal commie propagandists left out, and Cornwell, Goldhagen et al have carried to the current day,

Posted by: gaius martius at May 10, 2020 10:45 AM (hMlTh)

242 Vitamin D has long been linked to Immune response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bga_qG30JyY

see also other videos on this channel.

Posted by: Dr John Campbell at May 10, 2020 10:34 AM (AHq56)

I'm sure of it, but I will never accept the idea of a magic bullet or hyper-supplementation, especially with something that can be unsafely overdone. Some sunshine and a change in diet, Okay, Dr. Campbell, I can go with that. Sadly people run to the store and buy shit tons of supplements instead.

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 10:46 AM (ONvIw)

243 Manchester's American Caesar is one of my favorites.

Ditto. Manchester was a spectacularly good writer. One of my favorites of his is Goodbye Darkness. It's a memoir of his time in the Pacific War. The reviews on Amazon include some plausibly knowledgeable people who dislike the book intensely (on the Internet? Hard to believe) because they think it's a liberal political screed. I'll have to reread it to see what I think, but I still like the book because the prose approaches poetry at times.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:47 AM (T6t7i)

244 One of you history writing morons should get busy writing the story of Obamagate. It's going to be a best seller.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 10, 2020 10:48 AM (ZLI7S)

245 175 I'd prefer a historical Jewish romance. Something like:

"Becky Goldstein needs to lace her corset tighter because, yeah, her rack is like finding the Afikomen, but oy-fucking-vey, every time she opens her mouth, it's one whine after another. I tell you, last weekend, she wouldn't stop bitching about the color of the new carriage her father bought. Makes me think about finding a nice Catholic girl whose ass I can slap until she comes, and then cooks me up some fine matzah bri."
Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2020 10:19 AM (KAi1n)

That reads better than a heck of a lot of stuff out there!

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 10:50 AM (3Geud)

246 Ill be traveling to England this fall and will include a stay in Bath -unfortunately (maybe?) well be there just after their annual Jane Austen festival ends I guess I should read a few of Austens Bath- centric novels this summer. Also we plan to visit Churchills underground war offices in London , so Ill be reading more about Churchill during wartime, too

Posted by: LASue at May 10, 2020 10:50 AM (Ed8Zd)

247 I see that Dorothy Hartley wrote a cookbook, "Food in England". The cheapest edition I can find is about 28 bucks. But after the delightful surprise of her "Lost Country Life" I'm willing to splurge. The comments on Amazon are very positive. Just wondering if anyone is familiar with the cookbook.

Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 10:51 AM (7EjX1)

248 And Obama is now openly responding.

He's always been a mouthy punk retard with no impulse control. I'm surprised the Ferret didn't inject a small pharmacy up his pansy ass to force him to STFU.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 10:51 AM (y7DUB)

249 Shit's getting crazy. And Obama is now openly responding.

Let's get this over with.
Posted by: Last Days of the Republic. at May 10, 2020 10:43 AM (4Q1w7)

Things seem to becoming to a head. Finally. (I picture Obama giving coded instructions to his minions in his texts.)

Posted by: LASue at May 10, 2020 10:53 AM (Ed8Zd)

250 Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2020 10:19 AM (KAi1n)


You little blurb was pretty funny. Maybe you can start a new genre-Jewish romance novels. As I said, though, I don't know anything about romance novels so I don't know if "slap her ass until she comes" is considered over the top and more of the soft porn genre. Good luck!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 10:54 AM (bW1Yb)

251 He's always been a mouthy punk retard with no impulse control.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 10:51 AM (y7DUB)

That is an excellent description!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2020 10:54 AM (dLLD6)

252 Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 09:28 AM (7EjX1)

That sounds very interesting to me. I like history and I like when historians treat ordinary people with respect. There is this attitude now of "Ha, ha, those dumbbells of the medieval era who believed in God and all sorts of other nonsense and weren't smart and enlightened like us!"

All the smirking and condescension done by people who would die in a week if they had to live off the land and do manual labor to survive. (Honestly, I'd die pretty quickly myself.) Hell, the smirkers would die if they had to go without their cell phones for a day.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 10, 2020 10:54 AM (HabA/)

253 "127 So, I learned that Governor Whitmer has used yellow tape to close off those "little libraries" that people have in front of their houses or by stores,because of course you're going to get Corona from books that have been sitting there for weeks/s. ... "



I just can't even.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at May 10, 2020 10:54 AM (cqteU)

254 Happy Mothers Day to all the 'ette moms and grandmoms!

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 10, 2020 10:55 AM (HabA/)

255 He's always been a mouthy punk retard with no impulse control. I'm surprised the Ferret didn't inject a small pharmacy up his pansy ass to force him to STFU.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 10:51 AM (y7DUB)
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It's going to be a contest between the Obama wing and the Clinton wing to see who is tossed under the bus.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:55 AM (WEBkv)

256 231 By the way, anyone know of a good book on the history of medicine?
I have a smattering of knowledge about various medical ideas over the centuries but it would be nice to read something that was a good overview of the subject.
The more in-depth the better.
Thanks.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:36 AM (WEBkv)


I mentioned one in this thread a couple of weeks ago. Naturally, I forget the title. I'll have to look it up.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 10:56 AM (+klWv)

257 Hochhuth, was the first big slanderer of the Pontiff, he was backed up by the Commies bigtime as the Romanian Pacepa points out,

Of course the cleric who was firmly Mussolini and Hitler's correspondent was Haj Amin Husseini, Arafats unclie, who led the first intifadas in the 20s, in Hebron, and later in the 30s with the support of German arms, he recruited an all Arab SS battalion, the Handschar which worked with Waldheim in the Balkans,

Posted by: gaius martius at May 10, 2020 10:56 AM (hMlTh)

258 It's going to be a contest between the Obama wing and the Clinton wing to see who is tossed under the bus.

Must we choose?

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:56 AM (T6t7i)

259 ...My working title is: "Long Live Death: A Military Study of the Spanish Civil War."

"Long Live Death" is the motto of the Spanish Foreign Legion, which played a heap big role in the war - and also the career of Franco.

What do you think?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 09:31 AM (cfSRQ)


I like it ! Good for you.

Posted by: runner at May 10, 2020 10:56 AM (zr5Kq)

260 I would put in a vote for Waterproof
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 10, 2020 10:31 AM (cuKeo)


That is a great title for a Teddy K bio.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 10:56 AM (+klWv)

261 I'm gonna need a way bigger liquor cabinet.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 10, 2020 10:57 AM (ZLI7S)

262 Must we choose?
Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:56 AM (T6t7i)

That's the spirit!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 10:58 AM (bW1Yb)

263 Trump has previewed that Obama and Biden will be implicated. He's giving Media a chance to hang themselves by continuing to insist that everything "was done by the book"

Expect Schiff to be charged for leaking classified information in exchange for Media air time so that he could lie about Trump. Awkward for the networks, no?

Expect Sally Yates to flip against the Cabal and become the narrative witness to connect dots and establish motive.

Amazing that our Media ignored investigating the biggest scandal in our history. It's because they were a co-conspirator.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 10:58 AM (9TdxA)

264
127 So, I learned that Governor Whitmer has used yellow tape to close off those "little libraries" that people have in front of their houses or by stores,because of course you're going to get Corona from books that have been sitting there for weeks/s. ... "

I just can't even.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at May 10, 2020 10:54 AM


it's true...I have a picture here somewhere

little libraries, park benches, swingsets, play structures, slides, picnic tables, bike racks: all taped off by order of obergruppenfuehrer whitmer

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 10:58 AM (DUIap)

265 It's going to be a contest between the Obama wing and the Clinton wing to see who is tossed under the bus.

Must we choose?
Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 10:56 AM (T6t7i)
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It will be a political Iran/Iraq battle in which both sides incur casualties.

We can just sit back and watch while PDT goes Reagan on the Obama/Clinton machines.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:59 AM (WEBkv)

266 Re-reading Hammet, by Joe Gores. This is a fictional account of a time in Dashiell Hammett's life getting him tangled up in San Francisco politics while writing Red Harvest.

The book is eyebrows-deep in slang, period, history, and the times in an entertaining and well-told way. There was a film made about the book (screenplay also written by Joe Gores) that bears very little resemblance to the book.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 10:59 AM (KZzsI)

267
That sounds very interesting to me. I like
history and I like when historians treat ordinary people with respect.
There is this attitude now of "Ha, ha, those dumbbells of the medieval
era who believed in God and all sorts of other nonsense and weren't
smart and enlightened like us!"



All the smirking and condescension done by people who would die in a
week if they had to live off the land and do manual labor to survive.
(Honestly, I'd die pretty quickly myself.) Hell, the smirkers would
die if they had to go without their cell phones for a day.

Posted by: DonnaV at May 10, 2020 10:54 AM (HabA/)

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That snotty attitude permeates and pretty much ruins Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror, which is a study on 14th Century Europe.

She is a talented writer with an eye for historical detail, but then the narrative shudders to a stop as she comments on how silly it was that women couldn't own property and stuff.

Hmmm, maybe because without a strong sword arm there was no way they could keep it?

It is a book very deeply rooted in 70s-era triumphalist feminism and it's funny how her entire worldview - that women just needed a fair shot and they would prove themselves in every way equal to men - has already collapsed.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:59 AM (cfSRQ)

268 !Legionarios a morir! Is that the motto ?

Posted by: runner at May 10, 2020 11:00 AM (zr5Kq)

269 30 Between Rockford and Kentwood, roughly.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 09:18 AM (t+qrx)

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 09:54 AM (3Geud)

And if you end up in Borculo, well, good luck.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 10, 2020 11:01 AM (ufFY8)

270 On the field of battle they are abject cowards, and in the kitchen they're enthralled with bruised tomatoes and the noodle only.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 10:21 AM (t+qrx)

We beg to disagree.....The Lions of Folgore were not mere cooks or cowards.

Posted by: The Brits at El Alamein at May 10, 2020 11:01 AM (Z+IKu)

271 it's true...I have a picture here somewhere

little libraries, park benches, swingsets, play structures, slides, picnic tables, bike racks: all taped off by order of obergruppenfuehrer whitmer
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 10:58 AM (DUIap)


There's one a few blocks away, I'll go try to get a walk in before it rains and see if it's taped shut.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 11:02 AM (t+qrx)

272 Yep, Grand Rapids... Also surrounded by the "massive" suburban fixtures of Cutlerville and Byron Center to the south. Though Cutlerville, according to the Post Office, is also Kentwood and/or Grand Rapids.

JustDave in GR (ok, Cutlerville, but very few people know where that is).

To bring things back to the book thread, I've been reading "Target Rich Environment Volume 1" (Monster Hunter International) collected by Larry Correia.. All the stories appear so far to be well-written and a lot of fun!

Posted by: JustDave in GR at May 10, 2020 11:03 AM (KBiU/)

273 Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 10:58 AM (DUIap)

I don't know if folks from MI have "recall" but if they do, I hope they can get her out of there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 11:03 AM (bW1Yb)

274 That is an excellent description!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2020 10:54 AM (dLLD6)


The scene in King of Comedy when Rupert imagines being surrounded by deadbeat toadies while he's yammering about who to guest host his pretend talk show is the most Gaylord personification ever.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 11:03 AM (y7DUB)

275 I mentioned one in this thread a couple of weeks ago. Naturally, I forget the title. I'll have to look it up.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 10:56 AM (+klWv)
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Thank you, OM.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 11:04 AM (WEBkv)

276 I don't very often watch TV or go anywhere these days, so I get a bit out of touch with immediate pop culture (the day by day thing). Watching a little bit these days is... dismaying. A couple cute efforts like the book shelf above telling people to obey and hide from the world is one thing, but the nearly-constant bombardment of propaganda is horrifying to me. Its like walking out your door one day and its become 1984. Its They Live out there, but you don't need special sunglasses to see the billboards.

Going into a store, the signs are everywhere: social distance, stay home! Cover your coughs! Wear a mask! its broadcast from the muzak speakers. Its in advertising. Its in between songs as public service announcements. Its FREAKING EVERYWHERE BOMBARDING EVERYONE TO AN INSANE LEVEL OF OVERWHELMING EXCESS.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:04 AM (KZzsI)

277 it's true...I have a picture here somewhere

little libraries, park benches, swingsets, play structures, slides, picnic tables, bike racks: all taped off by order of obergruppenfuehrer whitmer
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 10:58 AM (DUIap)

Yes, she ordered all those little libraries to be police taped off. It's one of the saddest things to see, and kind of symbolic.
I live where there is a small lake outside of town with walking paths. The two person benches overlooking the lake on the walking paths are covered in police tape.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2020 11:05 AM (ymq7G)

278 256 231 By the way, anyone know of a good book on the history of medicine?
I have a smattering of knowledge about various medical ideas over the centuries but it would be nice to read something that was a good overview of the subject.
The more in-depth the better.
Thanks.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 10:36 AM (WEBkv)

Although I only covers one specific point in time, "Destiny of the Republic", covering the assassination of James Garfield, is surprisingly excellent in this respect. The author, Candace Millard, goes into great detail into how Garfield was killed not by the assassin's bullet, which was a minor wound, but by his own incredibly botched medical care. Millard also shows how this episode was the hinge point behind old style, 19th century (and earlier) medicine, and what we've come to know as Modern Medicine. For example, Alexander Graham Bell had already developed a rudimentary electronic metal detector, and he volunteered his services to help pinpoint the location of the bullet, but he was refused because his technology was too new and untested. (this alone would probably have saved Garfield)

It was a fascinating point in history where, because of the prominence of the case, everyone in society realized that Medicine needed to radically change from what it had been. The next step can be found in John Barry's "The Great Influenza", which tells the story of the 1918 Pandemic, but also covers the creation, in response, of what we now think of as the 20th century standard of scientific Medical Care.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 11:05 AM (V2Yro)

279 AltonJackson also by Emperor Wolf, been traveling around a lot of se Pa and everywhere public playgrounds are taped off with caution tape and if applicable fenced and locked.

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2020 11:06 AM (ZCEU2)

280 Shit's getting crazy. And Obama is now openly responding.


Let's get this over with.

Posted by: Last Days of the Republic. at May 10, 2020 10:43 AM (4Q1w7)


Obama's response would certainly been less chaotic. He would have just ignored it.

CDC flu deaths during his administration -256,651 estimated.


Posted by: Javems at May 10, 2020 11:08 AM (ofIwF)

281 Its FREAKING EVERYWHERE BOMBARDING EVERYONE TO AN INSANE LEVEL OF OVERWHELMING EXCESS.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:04 AM (KZzsI)
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William Shirer mentions, in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," that, while he lived in Nazi Germany, he found the constant propaganda he was subjected to had an effect, no matter that he had access to sources outside of Germany.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 11:08 AM (WEBkv)

282 In case anyone doubted the scholarly mendacity of the left, Insty has a link by David Bernstein concerning FDR's unconstitutional demand that everyone turn in all their gold.

Eric Rauchway's twitter says:Roosevelt's first action of repairing the banks and the dollar restored confidence in the banks and the currency. People brought their gold back to the Federal Reserve and their money to banks."

Right, at the point of a gun.

One of Rauchway's other books is "The Money Makers: How Roosevelt and Keynes Ended the Depression, Defeated Fascism, and Secured a Prosperous Peace".

Nuff said.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 11:08 AM (T6t7i)

283 Weird, pixy would not let me end the comment with a number.

Posted by: Javems at May 10, 2020 11:09 AM (ofIwF)

284 I don't know if folks from MI have "recall" but if they do, I hope they can get her out of there.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 11:03 AM (bW1Yb)


It exists, but the requirements are heavy. IIRC, you have 60 days to collect signatures for a recall petition, and you need at least 25% of the sum of the votes that were cast when the governor was elected (both for and against). So just over a million recall signatures in sixty days, which works out to about 1/10 of the population.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 11:09 AM (t+qrx)

285 Sadly people run to the store and buy shit tons of supplements instead.
Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 10:46 AM (ONvIw)

It is probably a good idea for blacks to get D supplements. I've read that one additional reason the black community is getting hit much harder by the Wuhan flu is not just because of levels of obesity, diabetes and other co-morbidities, but because they don't absorb Vitamin D from the sun as effectively as whites do. Efficiently absorbing D became important once humans moved out of Africa and sunny climates and into northern Europe. Since they needed less protection from the sun and a way to soak up Vitamin D, their skin lightened. I find it fascinating to learn about how different races evolved to met the demands of the particular environments and climates they found themselves in, although a SJW undoubtedly would call it racist...

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 10, 2020 11:09 AM (HabA/)

286 In one of my writing books, the author talks about a friend of his who, in the first draft, writes any sex scenes as XXX as possible, then in rewrites, pares it all down to G or PG-rated, having got the mechanics and vocals out of his system.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 10:02 AM (2JVJo)

I remember an instructional post by a writer of either romance or erotica (or both), which said that a sex scene should be written much like any other scene - to advance the story, either plotwise or character- wise, with conflict/tension

Posted by: vmom 2020 - check out Gen Flynn's book here at May 10, 2020 11:09 AM (G546f)

287 That sounds very interesting to me. I like
history and I like when historians treat ordinary people with respect.


I like historical fiction and especially mysteries. It is so hard to find books that do not have The One Woman Who Is Different or characters Who Wisely Reject Their Times or just modern characters parachuted into the past to be a protagonist. The more a character fits into the worldview of the time, the better the book, I find.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:10 AM (KZzsI)

288 Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 10:58 AM (DUIap)

I don't know if folks from MI have "recall" but if they do, I hope they can get her out of there.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 11:03 AM (bW1Yb)

Fen, she's not up for reelection until 2022. And unfortunately, like a lot of states, all she needs to do is win the three counties of Detroit and suburrbs, Ann Arbor( she's a Democrat, a shoe in) and Flint(Democrat) and she will win reelection. The remaining 83 counties don't matter to her, because the populations are too small to overcome the population and fraud in Detroit. It's why she is doing what she is doing. She wants to appear fully involved and protective of the populations there and especially wants to remind those resident of color how oppressed they are by whites, which is why they have been impacted heavily by Covid 19. It's now simply a vote for me operation.

The 77 year old barber in Owosso who is remaining open against orders. Eight State Police officers walked into his shop to serve him notice he is not in compliance. Eight in a shop about the size of someone's living room.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2020 11:11 AM (ymq7G)

289 Maybe someone can come up with a pic that says "Heil Whitmer" but the W is yellow-taped off.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2020 11:11 AM (KAi1n)

290 So dont ask Stacey Abrams for writing advice.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2020 11:11 AM (WXkcz)

291 Sup, y'all?

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2020 11:11 AM (MVjcR)

292 Fen, she's not up for reelection until 2022.

Yep. sad to say, but there's no way for Michigan to vote their way out of this. That horse is out the door. Same goes for California.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 11:12 AM (V2Yro)

293 hile he lived in Nazi Germany, he found the constant propaganda he was subjected to had an effect, no matter that he had access to sources outside of Germany.

Sure, you start to feel like a lunatic or idiot if you're the only one who isn't going along with it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:13 AM (KZzsI)

294 I finished The Pursuit of the Pankera last night. It's the most recent of the late Robert Heinlein's last novels. This tells basically the same story as The Number of the Beast in a far more conventional way. The unpublished manuscript was found and edited by someone I'd never heard of. I think I heard about it here, actually.

The first chapters had me muttering "Did people ever actually talk like this" about the dialog, but it got better. I wound up liking it a lot more than The Number of the Beast but since I didn't really care for tNotB, that's not saying much. This new novel is still set in other literary universes (in particular, the universes of Oz, Barsoom, and the Galactic Patrol) and I find that device, um, not as appealing as you might think. Rather than taking on the strengths of those additional universes, it just weakens those other stories for me. Your Mileage May Vary.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 10, 2020 11:13 AM (edlKR)

295 267
That snotty attitude permeates and pretty much ruins Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror, which is a study on 14th Century Europe.

She is a talented writer with an eye for historical detail, but then the narrative shudders to a stop as she comments on how silly it was that women couldn't own property and stuff.

Hmmm, maybe because without a strong sword arm there was no way they could keep it?

It is a book very deeply rooted in 70s-era triumphalist feminism and it's funny how her entire worldview - that women just needed a fair shot and they would prove themselves in every way equal to men - has already collapsed.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:59 AM (cfSRQ)
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It's also ignored that rules against women owning property were a recent development, under the influence of Roman Law. (Which was NOT just discovered in 1500.)

Regine Pernoud's Those Terrible Middle Ages covers this. But then, so does Ronald Knox in several places.

The case of actual feudal fiefs is a bit different, as you note. They also were not entirely "owned" in our sense; you had use, not ownership simply. Another effect of that was the entail - male only inheritance. If the whole point of your holding the land is to fight, well, that matters. But in other areas women had been able to own just as men could.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 10, 2020 11:13 AM (ZbwAu)

296 It is probably a good idea for blacks to get D supplements. I've read
that one additional reason the black community is getting hit much
harder by the Wuhan flu is not just because of levels of obesity,
diabetes and other co-morbidities, but because they don't absorb Vitamin
D from the sun as effectively as whites do.


That's very interesting. And yes, it is completely racist.

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 11:14 AM (T6t7i)

297
The 77 year old barber in Owosso who is
remaining open against orders. Eight State Police officers walked into
his shop to serve him notice he is not in compliance. Eight in a shop
about the size of someone's living room.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2020 11:11 AM (ymq7G)


They're letting criminals out of jail but the brave boys and girls in blue are arresting hair stylists in Texas, harassing barbers in Michigan and arresting parents at parks.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:14 AM (E3jXy)

298 A pleasure to see myself quoted on the Book Thread. Before the Fact is not at all like a Columbo episode; it's more the story of a marriage in which the intruder in the arrangement is the psychopathy of the husband, viewed by the wife and central character. There's hardly a policeman mentioned in it.

Still worth your time, though.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:15 AM (rpbg1)

299 For example, Alexander Graham Bell had already developed a rudimentary electronic metal detector, and he volunteered his services to help pinpoint the location of the bullet, but he was refused because his technology was too new and untested. (this alone would probably have saved Garfield)
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Bell's detector was eventually used, and would have worked had Garfield not been lying on a iron-framed bedstead...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 11:15 AM (4o2K3)

300
They're letting criminals out of jail but the brave boys and girls in blue are arresting hair stylists in Texas, harassing barbers in Michigan and arresting parents at parks.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:14 AM (E3jXy)
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The "Babylon Bee" reported on this before it happened.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 11:15 AM (WEBkv)

301 Bell's detector was eventually used, and would have worked had Garfield not been lying on a iron-framed bedstead...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire


D'oh!!!!

Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 11:15 AM (T6t7i)

302 292 Fen, she's not up for reelection until 2022.

Yep. sad to say, but there's no way for Michigan to vote their way out of this. That horse is out the door. Same goes for California.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 11:12 AM (V2Yro)

Isn't their a recall petition against Whitmer?

Gray Davis and Scott Walker both got recalled, so it's not an impossibility.

Posted by: Jose at May 10, 2020 11:15 AM (L9Ewk)

303 This pale face sunburns easily. Institutional racism!

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 11:17 AM (9TdxA)

304 Yes, Faulkner (whose work I care little for) as a mature man. I've tried and tried to read his stuff, and in college they tried to force-feed me Light in August. Still the only things of his I can handle are the famous short story "A Rose for Emily," and the mystery-detective tales collected in Knight's Gambit. Didn't know WF wrote some crime stories? He did, about a lawyer living in his unpronounceable Miss. county and dabbling in investigations. The stories are not Perry Mason-ish, still less Ellery Queen-like, but they have to do with crime among the citizenry, and that's pretty good.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:18 AM (rpbg1)

305 Writing sex scenes I much prefer the "fade to black" method or implied. I'll be somewhat graphic in writing violence, but I've written about why that's different several times. Violence can show character development, move the plot along, be dramatic, etc. Sex is just... titillating for the purpose of just being exciting.

Like in Iron Man: why even have the sex scene in there? To show off how adult the film is, see its adult, there's unclothed people rolling around in bed! Skip that and literally nothing changes about the movie except you've saved a couple minutes of running time and skipped extraneous scenery.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:19 AM (KZzsI)

306 FREAKING EVERYWHERE BOMBARDING EVERYONE TO AN INSANE LEVEL OF OVERWHELMING EXCESS.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Tater has a different opinion.

Brian Stelter@brianstelter
Replying to @brianstelter
Seen in CVS today: woman walked in without a mask. An employee politely told her it's required. Annoyed, she put a mask over her mouth, but not nose. The employee told her how to wear a mask. She walked up and down the aisles ranting about the rules. I thanked the employee for [strength].

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 11:19 AM (+y/Ru)

307 This pale face sunburns easily. Institutional racism!
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 11:17 AM (9TdxA)
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Heh.

Yah, me too.

Though, eventually I wind up with a decent "farmer's tan."

By "decent," I mean, blindingly white in the areas covered by my shirt, to the point my wife's glasses transition so she isn't rendered blind by the glare.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 11:20 AM (WEBkv)

308 *waves to all the Book Threadists, hands flowers to all the moms*

On the subject of children's books, a librarian friend of mine has started a Facebook group for sharing videos of yourself reading children's books: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ childrensstorytimecollective (take out the space; pardon the title). I've got a stack of books I want to record when I'm done with grading for the semester, including one called The Little Ships that's about Dunkirk. That's... about all I've been reading lately in the way of books, alas, but it's been fun to revisit some old favorites like The Ox-Cart Man, The Mouse and Mrs. Proudfoot, and "Stand Back," Said the Elephant, "I'm Going to Sneeze!"

On the writing front, I've gotten a tiny bit done on Loyal Valley: Diversion and about two pages on Loyal Valley: Exploitation (working title). My goal for the summer is to finish Diversion, but we'll see how it goes. Another friend and I are also working on a short story anthology called Sister Muses that I'm hoping we can have out by Labor Day; most of the stories are already written (and an eclectic mix they are, everything from historical fiction to urban fantasy to space Western).

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at May 10, 2020 11:20 AM (aFZYk)

309 Isn't their a recall petition against Whitmer?

Gray Davis and Scott Walker both got recalled, so it's not an impossibility.
Posted by: Jose at May 10, 2020 11:15 AM (L9Ewk)


1/10 of residents have to petition to recall, and signatures older than 60 days from the date of filing are invalid. The only way I could see it possibly happening is if every other state opens up by July, and Michigan is still locked down in, say, November.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 11:21 AM (t+qrx)

310 It is so hard to find books that do not have The One Woman Who Is Different or characters Who Wisely Reject Their Times or just modern characters parachuted into the past to be a protagonist.
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That's why "Pillars of the Earth" didn't do it for me. The characters are too modern in outlook, and the characters we aren't supposed to like are parodies.

Edith Pargeter does a mich better job of portraying the medieval mindset.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 11:21 AM (4o2K3)

311 Going into a store, the signs are everywhere: social
distance, stay home! Cover your coughs! Wear a mask! its broadcast
from the muzak speakers. Its in advertising. Its in between songs as
public service announcements. Its FREAKING EVERYWHERE BOMBARDING
EVERYONE TO AN INSANE LEVEL OF OVERWHELMING EXCESS.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:04 AM (KZzsI)


Yes, at least every 30 seconds, the CDC says....I want to yell the CDC has been wrong about this since day 1 so they can fck off

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:22 AM (E3jXy)

312 The more a character fits into the worldview of the time, the better the book, I find.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:10 AM (KZzsI)

same!!!

Posted by: vmom 2020 - check out Gen Flynn's book here at May 10, 2020 11:22 AM (G546f)

313 275 I mentioned one in this thread a couple of weeks ago. Naturally, I forget the title. I'll have to look it up.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 10:56 AM (+klWv)
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Thank you, OM.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 11:04 AM (WEBkv)


Here is the book, written by a lurking moron who is an actual MD:

A Brief History of Disease, Science and Medicine Kindle Edition

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CZV1T1Z/

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 11:22 AM (+klWv)

314 I wouldn't say the British Army was defeated by the Turks in The Flying Inn. It's more like the politicians surrendered without fighting.

However I sometimes have considerable difficulty pulling plots out of Chesterton's writing so I could be wrong. I very much like some of his writing and I like The Flying Inn but they can get a bit existential.

The Man Who Was Thursday completely alluded me although I discerned there are religious allegories in it. I'm going to give it another go some time along with The Flying Inn. Manalive I could better understand. And I enjoyed his Father Brown series a lot.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 10, 2020 11:22 AM (l6b3d)

315 Isn't their a recall petition against Whitmer?

Gray Davis and Scott Walker both got recalled, so it's not an impossibility.
Posted by: Jose at May 10, 2020 11:15 AM (L9Ewk)

There was an unofficial type of recall petition. Additionally, no one is excited to remove her and have her replacement, the Lt. Gov step in. He was , at one time, the Campaign director of MoveOn.org, worked in Detroit as a liason to help residents file complaints against the city, He worked as a community organizer after working at Microsoft as a software engineer for four years.

He's a smarter version of Obama, with the same leftist ideas.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2020 11:24 AM (ymq7G)

316 1/10 of residents have to petition to recall, and
signatures older than 60 days from the date of filing are invalid. The
only way I could see it possibly happening is if every other state opens
up by July, and Michigan is still locked down in, say, November.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 11:21 AM (t+qrx)


Jabba the Pritkzer: I got her back.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:24 AM (E3jXy)

317 Happy Mother's Day to all of you who qualify (or have qualified) for the description. (My sympathies to the latter group.)

With "Pawns" finished -- I enjoyed it but found the ending too pat -- I'm marking time, pondering which genre to start next. The main thing I've read is AoS threads, plus the first issues of Walt Simonson's run on Marvel's "Thor," which I own in singles and hardback collection. I came so close to not buying that first issue because the art was so different from what I had seen. Man, I would have missed out on so much!

Posted by: Weak Geek at May 10, 2020 11:24 AM (u/nim)

318 Brian Stelter@brianstelter
Replying to @brianstelter
Seen in CVS today: woman walked in without a mask. An employee politely told her it's required. Annoyed, she put a mask over her mouth, but not nose. The employee told her how to wear a mask. She walked up and down the aisles ranting about the rules. I thanked the employee for [strength].
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 11:19 AM (+y/Ru)


"Thank you, Herr Hitler, for keeping the order, lowering unemployment and for strength !"

-Brian Stelter , Nuremberg , 1938

Posted by: runner at May 10, 2020 11:25 AM (zr5Kq)

319 Chesterton was incredibly brilliant (whenever I'm feeling clever I find it useful to read fellow like him to show how dim my old Christmas light is next to their klieg lamp) but sometimes his books are more about the point he's trying to make than the story and that can get in the way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:25 AM (KZzsI)

320 By the way, anyone know of a good book on the history of medicine?

I have a smattering of knowledge about various medical ideas over the centuries but it would be nice to read something that was a good overview of the subject.

The more in-depth the better.

Thanks.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020


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Not really in-depth in the way you mean, but see if you can find Berton Rouche's collections of medical mysteries -- Eleven Blue Men is one of them. Each piece focuses on the eruption of a disease in then-modern America (the 1940s and 1950s) and how public health moved to handle it. In each one we get a history of the particular disease, smallpox or anthrax or leprosy, what causes it and what people imagined or knew about it over the centuries.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:26 AM (rpbg1)

321 Has RBG been released from the hospital?

She was only supposed to be there 1 or 2 days.

If not, hmmmmm.

Posted by: Ha at May 10, 2020 11:26 AM (4Q1w7)

322 Home: A Time Traveler's Tales from British Prehistory, by Francis Pryor.

He writes about what the archaeology might suggest to us about the society of prehistory. His style is conversational but he does include footnotes, diagrams, and photographs. It was published in 2014 so reasonably up to date.

Posted by: Lirio100 at May 10, 2020 11:26 AM (JK7Jw)

323
1/10 of residents have to petition to recall, and signatures older than 60 days from the date of filing are invalid. The only way I could see it possibly happening is if every other state opens up by July, and Michigan is still locked down in, say, November.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2020 11:21 AM


she originally wanted the lockdown to run out to 10JUN20, got "rebuked" by the legislature

she has been incrementally extending the lockdown by a couple of weeks, every couple of weeks

mark my words: in the next ten days, there will be a "spike" in reported "cases / deaths" (in Detroit Rock City, natch) & she'll extend it again, probably from the current 28MAY20 end date, out to...wait for it...10JUN20

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 11:27 AM (DUIap)

324 A Brief History of Disease, Science and Medicine Kindle Edition

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CZV1T1Z/
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 11:22 AM (+klWv)
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Thanks! Purchased!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 11:28 AM (WEBkv)

325 So much going on. Credible UFO evidence pushed to back pages. All we need now is RBG to croke.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 11:29 AM (9TdxA)

326 There was a great show on Netflix called The Poisoner's Handbook, I think it was on PBS first. Its a documentary about poisons and the way science and medicine caught up with poisons in crime and industry. I've told the Radium story here before, that's in there, so is leaded gasoline in factories, poor ventilation, several murder cases, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:29 AM (KZzsI)

327 Has RBG been released from the hospital?

She was only supposed to be there 1 or 2 days.

If not, hmmmmm.

Posted by: Ha at May 10, 2020 11:26 AM (4Q1w7)

Yes she was releases

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2020 11:29 AM (85Gof)

328 >>> That's why "Pillars of the Earth" didn't do it for me. The characters are too modern in outlook, and the characters we aren't supposed to like are parodies.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 11:21 AM

And the constant rape. Rapety rape rape rape. Ken likes him some rape writing. Sure the times were more violent yadda yadda but Ken obsessed a bit.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 10, 2020 11:30 AM (l6b3d)

329 Thanks NGU.

Darn.

Posted by: Ha at May 10, 2020 11:30 AM (4Q1w7)

330 I hit Post too soon, Poisoner's Handbook is also a book, so that would be an interesting medical history book.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:30 AM (KZzsI)

331 Is Who Dis Marlin Perkins?

That joke photo of the books leads me to wonder how book titles come to be, especially those that are just one word. (Wait a minute -- I think I've veered this way before. Well, if I'm misremembering, I'll leave this in anyway.)

Posted by: Weak Geek at May 10, 2020 11:30 AM (u/nim)

332 Perhaps the cringeist stay-at-home propaganda you'll ever see. Starting Joe Biden!

https://youtu.be/mx9eJSqovI0

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2020 11:31 AM (+y/Ru)

333 The big Supremes case coming up for arguments is the PDT Tax Records case this week.

I would assume, not being a lawyer, that a case without any predicate is a strong reason to shit can this thing also, but what the fuck do I know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2020 11:32 AM (85Gof)

334 And the constant rape. Rapety rape rape rape. Ken likes him some rape writing. Sure the times were more violent yadda yadda but Ken obsessed a bit.

Yeah, there's a sci fi writer called John Varney who writes really interesting, inventive stuff. But its impossible for me to read because he has two overarching, extremely emphasized themes:

1) women are better than men. Completely an in every way, and men should literally and specifically be servile wretches who cower at the feet of women.
2) sex. Sex sexity sex sexor sexing sextified sex0rz in every permutation and with everything, non human alien and beyond. Did I mention Sex? Because sex.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:32 AM (KZzsI)

335 I have not read it, though I should. I also have an original of "Daniel
Webster's Works, vol IV" though that was only printed in 1857. I have
read part of it. I used it as an original source for an AP History essay
on the Bank of the United States and my teach demanded to see it as
proof.



SFGoth, you couldn't find a copy of Rothbard's book?

(I kid, Rothbard probably used it for his history of banking and money in America)

Posted by: Kindltot at May 10, 2020 11:32 AM (WyVLE)

336 And thanks for the medical history suggestions.

Well, time for Church.

Later, all!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 10, 2020 11:34 AM (WEBkv)

337 The left went on such a rampage that there were fears that ALL of
Spain's historic art might go up in flames. I think they had to secretly
empty some of the museums lest the Year Zero types break in.

Weird how wanton murder and mayhem might piss normal people off. - AH Lloyd=======================================
Yeah, and the Marxists shipped Spain's gold reserves to the Soviet Union. Stalin, of course, kept every bit of it. Commies gotta Commie.

Posted by: mrp at May 10, 2020 11:34 AM (Pqytn)

338 Yeah, there's a sci fi writer called John Varney who writes really interesting, inventive stuff. But its impossible for me to read because he has two overarching, extremely emphasized themes:
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Varley?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 11:34 AM (4o2K3)

339 Comments from last week led me to borrow ' Nothing Lasts Forever ' the book basis for Die Hard.
It was much closer to the movie than I expected, as Wolfus Aurelius had commented. It's quite short (~180 pgs) so a fairly quick read.
Some major changes, a few deletions, but most of the characters and actions are there. I'm glad I read it, and one day I'll look for Roderick Thorp's longer first novel 'The Detective" where Joe Leland first appears. (changes from protagonist Leland to McLane are among the biggest differences)

The movie did a great job of fleshing out the minor characters, and most of the changes reflected the different needs of film from book. Other changes reflect the ten year timeframe update. Lastly the plot shifts move the story into the endless re-watchable movie that we love.

P.S. There is no disputing that it's a Christmas book.
Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at May 10, 2020


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The biggest difference is that Hans Gruber, the villain, is a much larger presence in the film and shares the screen with McLane. He becomes one of the towering film villains of all time. In the novel he has much less time devoted to him.

The Detective is a interesting novel, though not the same kind of adventure as NLF. It was filmed in 1966, I think, with Sinatra as Joe Leland and Lee Remick as his wife. Which leads me to imagine, what if Die Hard had been filmed in, say, 1962, with Sinatra as Leland/McLane? No, we couldn't have had the "Yippie-ki-yay" line. But Sinatra would have been an impressive screen hero.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:35 AM (rpbg1)

340 Varley?

That's probably it, let me check.

Yeah that's the guy, wrote Titan.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:35 AM (KZzsI)

341 That looks a hell of a lot like William Faulkner.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:02 AM (2JVJo)

And there is a very good reason for that.


Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 09:35 AM (+klWv)


It's the world's greatest William Faulkner look a like?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:35 AM (E3jXy)

342 303
This pale face sunburns easily.

john has a long mustache.
repeat: john has a long mustache.

Posted by: Anachronda at May 10, 2020 11:36 AM (kf5Ci)

343 To be read in a Howard Cosell voice.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:12 AM (Dc2NZ)


*ahem*

Gilbert Gottfried

Posted by: Kindltot at May 10, 2020 11:36 AM (WyVLE)

344 And the constant rape. Rapety rape rape rape. Ken likes him some rape writing. Sure the times were more violent yadda yadda but Ken obsessed a bit.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 10, 2020 11:30 AM (l6b3d)
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Hmmm. I only remember the one rape, but I have no interest in revisiting the book to check my memory.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 11:36 AM (4o2K3)

345 Yeah, there's a sci fi writer called John Varney who writes really interesting, inventive stuff. But its impossible for me to read because he has two overarching, extremely emphasized themes:

1) women are better than men. Completely an in every way, and men should literally and specifically be servile wretches who cower at the feet of women.
2) sex. Sex sexity sex sexor sexing sextified sex0rz in every permutation and with everything, non human alien and beyond. Did I mention Sex? Because sex.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020


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Try Varley's Mammoth. Great time travel, much less of the themes you mention, and a fascinating opening chapter that really hooks you.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:37 AM (rpbg1)

346 This pale face sunburns easily. Institutional racism!

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 11:17 AM (9TdxA)


You and your white sunburn privilege

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:37 AM (E3jXy)

347
The case of actual feudal fiefs is a bit different, as you note. They also were not entirely "owned" in our sense; you had use, not ownership simply. Another effect of that was the entail - male only inheritance. If the whole point of your holding the land is to fight, well, that matters. But in other areas women had been able to own just as men could.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 10, 2020 11:13 AM (ZbwAu)

I find that topic quite fascinating. Old Greco-Roman law was quite open towards women owning property independently. The injunctions against came mainly from "Salic Law" (the law of the Franks) and English Feudal Law, as established by William the Conqueror. Both of those systems had a primary goal of guaranteeing that there would be a strong male leader of the military at all times. The obvious fear was that even if they had allowed a woman to inherit the throne, whichever warrior ended up gaining control of the military would be able to overthrow her easily, so best to never go there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 11:38 AM (V2Yro)

348 I read David Hackett Fischer's "Paul Revere's Ride" this past week and I highly recommend it (I also recommend the same author's "Albion's Seed.")

The author's description of the British retreat from Lexington, pinned down by colonial fire, kept me up late. What is striking is how well prepared the Americans were. The popular notion - that a bunch of disorganized farmers took on the mighty Redcoats - is completely inaccurate. The New England militias had existed for generations and drilled regularly. Many of their commanders were seasoned veterans who had fought in the French and Indian Wars and studied warfare tactics extensively. The Brits were shocked at how disciplined they were.

Similarly, the romantic idea that Paul Revere was a lone night rider who heroically alerted Massachusetts to the threat is completely wrong. Many people helped him and there were dozens of riders sounding the alarm throughout eastern MA that night and into the morning. The colonial CinC, General Gage, had spies all over Boston - but the reverse was also true. Neither side could keep their plans secret.

I am looking forward to reading Fischer's "Washington's Crossing" next.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 10, 2020 11:39 AM (HabA/)

349 Book: Judy Mikovits' Plague of Corruption - Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science has been released for free:

files.catbox.moe/3lxs66.pdf

I'm just reading the foreword and the blood pressure is rising. If this stuff is true about viruses (and hydroxychloroquine) there won't be enough lampposts to go around.

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2020 11:39 AM (dYmWY)

350 To be read in a Howard Cosell voice.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:12 AM (Dc2NZ)
*ahem*
Gilbert Gottfried

James Brown. Heh!

Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2020 11:41 AM (KAi1n)

351 The biggest difference is that Hans Gruber, the villain, is a much larger presence in the film and shares the screen with McLane. He becomes one of the towering film villains of all time."

Because Alan Rickman. one of the few actors who was Great in everything he ever did.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 11:42 AM (V2Yro)

352
Because Alan Rickman. one of the few actors who was Great in everything he ever did.



He was great in 'The Brian Dennehy Story.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 10, 2020 11:43 AM (oVJmc)

353 I think a lot of "women can't inherit or own property" stuff came just from "I don't want my wife to have a seat at the table for God's sake" rather than logic or reason but there were some decent justifications at times for it. Matriarchal societies were the same way, in reverse: keep the men down so they will never rise to challenge us.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:43 AM (KZzsI)

354 I find that topic quite fascinating. Old
Greco-Roman law was quite open towards women owning property
independently. The injunctions against came mainly from "Salic Law"
(the law of the Franks) and English Feudal Law, as established by
William the Conqueror. Both of those systems had a primary goal of
guaranteeing that there would be a strong male leader of the military at
all times. The obvious fear was that even if they had allowed a
woman to inherit the throne, whichever warrior ended up gaining control
of the military would be able to overthrow her easily, so best to never
go there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 11:38 AM (V2Yro)
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One of the unexpressed truths is that men and women are different. Even with massive brainwashing, we still can't get women to join the military at the same rates as men. It's weird.

War and politics were closely intertwined, so a woman who wanted to rule in her own name knew she was going to be in for it.

A safer (and easier) route was to rule through a man, which was laughably common.
But that was bad or something, which is why in today's enlightened age, truly elite, accomplished women always marry 'beneath' them, shunning high-status, high-income men because they are so fierce and independent.

Oh wait...

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 11:44 AM (cfSRQ)

355 "Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2020 11:39 AM (dYmWY)
350 To be read in a Howard Cosell voice.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 10, 2020 10:12 AM (Dc2NZ)
*ahem*
Gilbert Gottfried

James Brown. Heh!"



Emo Phillips

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 10, 2020 11:44 AM (PiwSw)

356 348 ...Donna,

I really enjoyed Fischer's "Champlain's Dream". I'll have to look into his books you brought up. And the 18th century is one of my favorite hsitorical periods.

Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 11:45 AM (7EjX1)

357 The biggest difference is that Hans Gruber, the villain, is a much larger presence in the film and shares the screen with McLane. He becomes one of the towering film villains of all time.

Its tough to write a good, memorable villain. It helps a lot if you have someone incredibly gifted and charismatic with an amazing voice to portray them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:46 AM (KZzsI)

358 Of course I find sex scenes tedious to write and boring to read. My novels have sex in them, but I don't see the need to provide a play-by-play description.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 10:07 AM (cfSRQ)

Totally unnecessary in the Jaws novel. I believe the success of the movie proves that opinion .
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020


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In a story of mine, I completely skipped the bed-wrestling details and went from "She slipped into bed next to him" to, at the beginning of the next chapter, "It was good." Then I moved on with the viewpoint character, the woman, reflecting that "Sex wakes women up and puts men to sleep."

Some writer advised me that "Most people have had sex by a certain point in their adult lives, and don't need a lot of details in their fiction." Not to mention that it's awfully easy to skip over the line that separates straight storytelling from pr0n, or parody, which is worse.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:46 AM (rpbg1)

359 Because Alan Rickman. one of the few actors who was Great in everything he ever did.





He was great in 'The Brian Dennehy Story.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 10, 2020 11:43 AM (oVJmc)



Brian Dennehy being Alan Rickman playing Brian Dennehy in that movie was one of his best roles

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:48 AM (E3jXy)

360 341 That looks a hell of a lot like William Faulkner.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 10, 2020 09:02 AM (2JVJo)

And there is a very good reason for that.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor Social
Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 09:35 AM (+klWv)

It's the world's greatest William Faulkner look a like?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:35 AM (E3jXy)


Yes, that's right! That's Harold Delaney, who won the 'William Faulkner Lookalike Contest' 3 years in a row, 1952-1955.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 11:48 AM (+klWv)

361 The reason Paul Revere's ride is well know due to Longfellow's poem and none of the other riders were credited.

Posted by: Vic at May 10, 2020 11:48 AM (mpXpK)

362 On the topic of how to write great sex scenes without writing a lot: Victor Fleming.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2020 11:50 AM (KAi1n)

363 I am looking forward to reading Fischer's "Washington's Crossing" next.

Posted by: DonnaV at May 10, 2020 11:39 AM (HabA/)

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I own both books and have re-read them several times. Superb books. Fischer makes clear that the colonists' victories in both engagements relied heavily on very sophisticated intelligence and communication networks all ready in place. The last chapters in "Washington's Crossing", in my opinion, are the most informative. The Winter War in NJ was a masterful campaign. Little known, but an important milestone in the struggle which reached its conclusion at Yorktown.

Posted by: mrp at May 10, 2020 11:51 AM (Pqytn)

364 Alan Rickman was a better villain in Quigley Down Under. I like the way he died better too.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020 11:51 AM (2DOZq)

365 Because Alan Rickman. one of the few actors who was Great in everything he ever did.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2020 11:42 AM (V2Yro)

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There is no question that stage presence counts. I'm told that John Le Carre changed the way he described George Smiley and his mannerisms after seeing Alec Guinness' amazing performance.
"Live" villains (movie, tv, stage) have the advantage over written ones because actors often long to really dig into a role and being bad is simply more fun than being good and conflicted.

Jeremy Irons' turn in the DD movie is hilarious. The guy is having the time of his life and it's honestly the best part of the stupid film.

Vincent Price, Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing - all of them make the films they are in.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 11:52 AM (cfSRQ)

366
Brian Dennehy being Alan Rickman playing Brian Dennehy in that movie was one of his best roles


Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:48 AM (E3jXy)

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Wait, I thought Dennehy played the Nakatomi Tower.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 11:53 AM (cfSRQ)

367 Alan Rickman was a better villain in Quigley Down Under. I like the way he died better too.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 10, 2020


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I agree that he really made that film go. Along with Laura San Giacomo, of course.

Rickman amazed me. He often played thoroughgoing villains . . . and yet he had his own fan club.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:53 AM (rpbg1)

368 Alan Rickman was the best villain ever in Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.

Posted by: Vendette is in the Sidebar! at May 10, 2020 11:54 AM (6j2Bg)

369 One of the unexpressed truths is that men and women are different. Even with massive brainwashing, we still can't get women to join the military at the

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 11:44 AM (cfSRQ)


I greatly enjoy reading accounts of doctrinaire feminists who get knocked for a loop when, say, they get married and have kids, and then watch their girls and boys develop along completely different tracks despite everything she does to make them the same, or they get a job in a bookstore and see the difference in buying preferences between men and women. They get all frustrated because the sisterhood told them different, and then they have to rethink everything.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 11:54 AM (+klWv)

370 ...absorb Vitamin D from the sun...


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I have been seeing this formulation fairly frequently and find it jarring. Of course, vitamin D is not "absorbed" from the sun. Vitamin D (in a biologically inactive form - D3 aka cholecalciferol) can come from two sources.

One is via the diet, often via "fortified" products like dairy. Intestinal absorption may be a limiting factor for this route.

The other is by a chemical conversion of a cholesterol molecule that takes place in the skin, triggered by UV light.

From either source, the D3 is then enzymatically converted in the liver to the biologically active form and Bob's your uncle.


Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2020 11:54 AM (Fc5rx)

371 Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 09:35 AM (+klWv)


It's the world's greatest William Faulkner look a like?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2020 11:35 AM (E3jXy)


There's the old story, probably not true, that Chaplin, at the height of his fame, entered a Charlie Chaplin lookalike contest... and came in third.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2020 11:55 AM (hku12)

372 There is no question that stage presence counts. I'm told that John Le Carre changed the way he described George Smiley and his mannerisms after seeing Alec Guinness' amazing performance. . . .
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020


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I'm no LeCarre fan, and have only read the first Smiley novel, Call for the Dead once. But I seem to recall that Smiley was drawn as rather short and stout in it -- very unlike Alec Guinness.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:55 AM (rpbg1)

373 ''Because Alan Rickman. one of the few actors who was Great in everything he ever did. ''

I cannot help but think that "Dangerous Liaisons" would have been so much better with Rickman reprising his stage role as Valmont rather casting Malkovich as they did.

Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 11:56 AM (gLRfa)

374 356 348 ...Donna,

I really enjoyed Fischer's "Champlain's Dream". I'll have to look into his books you brought up. And the 18th century is one of my favorite hsitorical periods.
Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 11:45 AM (7EjX1)

It's startling to read about residents of Massachusetts who were outraged about unjust taxes and laws and not only knew how to shoot but formed citizen militias. Imagine, they behaved like they were Texans or something.

I want to read everything Fischer wrote. I like that he grinds no ideological axes and focuses on individuals making choices, rather than the Marxist narrative that individuals don't matter, they're just ciphers caught up in big historical forces, like being swept up in a tide. Human beings create those forces.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 10, 2020 11:57 AM (HabA/)

375 Rickman amazed me. He often played thoroughgoing villains . . . and yet he had his own fan club.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:53 AM (rpbg1)


Fun fact: After watching him scowl his way through Die Hard, I discovered, in seeing him in a movie with Sigourney Weaver, that he actually has a very pleasant smile.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 11:57 AM (+klWv)

376 The reason Paul Revere's ride is well know due to Longfellow's poem and none of the other riders were credited.
Posted by: Vic at May 10, 2020 11:48 AM (mpXpK)


Obligatory:

What does it matter. Were YOU one of those other riders??

Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2020 11:57 AM (hku12)

377 I greatly enjoy reading accounts of doctrinaire feminists who get knocked for a loop when, say, they get married and have kids, and then watch their girls and boys develop along completely different tracks despite everything she does to make them the same, or they get a job in a bookstore and see the difference in buying preferences between men and women. They get all frustrated because the sisterhood told them different, and then they have to rethink everything.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 11:54 AM (+klWv)

See Shannon Faulkner @ The Citadel

Posted by: BignJames at May 10, 2020 11:58 AM (X/Pw5)

378 @124 --

JTB, "Mac" Borden and Nero Wolfe ensured that much of my copy-editing career would be full of frustration. So many word misuses came flanked by quotation marks!

Posted by: Weak Geek at May 10, 2020 11:58 AM (u/nim)

379 Rickman amazed me. He often played thoroughgoing villains . . . and yet he had his own fan club.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:53 AM (rpbg1)

Fun fact: After watching him scowl his way through Die Hard, I discovered, in seeing him in a movie with Sigourney Weaver, that he actually has a very pleasant smile.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020


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Yes; he was in one of the 1990s Jane Austen adaptations, and convincingly plays a likeable man.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:58 AM (rpbg1)

380 I cannot help but think that "Dangerous Liaisons" would have been so much better with Rickman reprising his stage role as Valmont rather casting Malkovich as they did.

Incredibly better. Although I thought the other version Valmont was a better film. Malkovich I think is interesting but not a very good actor.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 11:59 AM (KZzsI)

381 The reason Paul Revere's ride is well know due to Longfellow's poem and none of the other riders were credited.


Good PR - a limerick

Now before we start placing the blame
Why Revere gets too much of the fame
On that glorious day
Two men each had their say
Paul Revere and old What's-His-Name

Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2020 11:59 AM (Fc5rx)

382 I greatly enjoy reading accounts of doctrinaire
feminists who get knocked for a loop when, say, they get married and
have kids, and then watch their girls and boys develop along completely
different tracks despite everything she does to make them the same, or
they get a job in a bookstore and see the difference in buying
preferences between men and women. They get all frustrated because the
sisterhood told them different, and then they have to rethink
everything.


Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 11:54 AM (+klWv)

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A while ago Instapundit linked a quote from a career woman on the brink of retirement who reflected that there were times when she was at yoga class or wrapping up a big project that she still felt that she was empowered with endless possibilities but that mostly when she comes home to a house with a couple of dogs but no husband and no children, she feels empty and depressed. She tries various "positive thinking" gambits, but they aren't working any more.

Reality always wins, though sometimes it may take a while to realize it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 12:00 PM (cfSRQ)

383 JTB, "Mac" Borden and Nero Wolfe ensured that much of my copy-editing career would be full of frustration. So many word misuses came flanked by quotation marks!
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 10, 2020


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In one novel, Archie shows us Wolfe using the word "curry" as a verb. Archie checks the dictionary later: "Check. I'll never live long enough to see the day when Wolfe curries anybody, including me."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 12:00 PM (rpbg1)

384 296 It is probably a good idea for blacks to get D supplements. I've read
that one additional reason the black community is getting hit much
harder by the Wuhan flu is not just because of levels of obesity,
diabetes and other co-morbidities, but because they don't absorb Vitamin
D from the sun as effectively as whites do.

That's very interesting. And yes, it is completely racist.
Posted by: pep at May 10, 2020 11:14 AM (T6t7i)

People should just eat a better diet, get a little exercise and sunshine (don't coat yourself with SPF 80 to go in the yard for 15 minutes) and not spend a fortune on whatever the latest fad is, then throw it in the garbage a year later. Supplements work well if you have an actual deficiency and one that is monitored.

I'm sick of reading that a few supplements will do the trick and save you from everything, especially wuflu. By all means, people should have adequate nutrition, but eating garbage, or next to nothing, and eating vitamin D tablets won't help. Someone with an extra 60lbs, breathing difficulties, HTN, and a sedentary life around the TV will not become a paragon of immunity by calling up lucky vitamin.

Everyday, someone pipes up about another immune boosting miracle.

Best plan is to take an honest look at what you eat and make a few changes or take a supplement if there is a real need.

My books should be arriving today! Hooray. Since I have the grandson's progress to track, it will be good to have tried and true "markers" available.

And I really do want to see if 2666 is a marvel.

I reread The Stranger, last week, thinking I would appreciate it more at this stage of life. I did not.

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 12:00 PM (ONvIw)

385 Thanks, OM! Another great and thought-provoking book thread.

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 12:00 PM (3Geud)

386 NOOD

Posted by: Skip the guy who calls noods at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (ZCEU2)

387 "The other is by a chemical conversion of a cholesterol molecule that takes place in the skin, triggered by UV light."

Thank you for the clarification, Muldoon. I am not a medically trained person and have no expertise at all on this subject.

Is there a difference regarding how people of different races convert that molecule?

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (HabA/)

388
Alan Rickman was the best part of Dogma

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (DUIap)

389 Die Hard was Rickmans first big role. His secret sauce was finding the right tone in his accent to sound like a snarling Nazi without it coming off as parody

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (9TdxA)

390 All Hail Eris, you asked about Erte jewelry last night, and I know you're usually on the Book Thread, so I hope I can reply here.

It occurred to me in the middle of the night that e-bay might be a source, so I checked this morning and they have half a dozen earrings up, one pair I think even more deco/barbaric than my own. Take a look.

BTW (to bring this back to books) does anyone else use ebay for writing research? Type in a year and you'll get everything from posters to music to doll furniture. Things you've never thought of that can send you in unexpected directions.

Posted by: Wenda at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (T2yOX)

391 Fun fact: After watching him scowl his way through Die Hard, I discovered, in seeing him in a movie with Sigourney Weaver, that he actually has a very pleasant smile.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 11:57 AM (+klWv)


There's a film called "Truly, Madly, Deeply," where Rickman is dead, and his wife is struggling with overcoming his death.

It's a film that manages to NOT slip into maudlin sentimentality, perhaps primarily due to Rickman's performance.

I don't think I could watch it again though.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (hku12)

392
Yes; he was in one of the 1990s Jane Austen adaptations, and convincingly plays a likeable man.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 11:58 AM (rpbg1)

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The best villains are the ones who can be charming and handsome - but choose otherwise.

The contrast amplifies the effect.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 12:02 PM (cfSRQ)

393 ''Yes; he was in one of the 1990s Jane Austen adaptations, and convincingly plays a likeable man.''

''Sense and Sensibility" Loved him that movie .

Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 12:02 PM (gLRfa)

394 I reread The Stranger, last week, thinking I would appreciate it more at this stage of life. I did not.
Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020


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I keep meaning to try that, having read that Camus was influenced by one of my favorite "hard-boiled" writers, James M. Cain.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2020 12:03 PM (rpbg1)

395 385 Thanks, OM! Another great and thought-provoking book thread.
Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 12:00 PM (3Geud)

386 NOOD
Posted by: Skip the guy who calls noods at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (ZCEU2)

How 'bout my timing, eh?

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 12:03 PM (3Geud)

396 I reread The Stranger, last week, thinking I would appreciate it more at this stage of life. I did not.

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 12:00 PM (ONvIw)

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The song is better.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 12:04 PM (cfSRQ)

397 385 Thanks, OM! Another great and thought-provoking book thread.
Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 12:00 PM (3Geud)


I am pleased that so many erudite and well-read morons show up every Sunday to make the thread worthwhile.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 12:04 PM (+klWv)

398 390 BTW (to bring this back to books) does anyone else use ebay for writing research? Type in a year and you'll get everything from posters to music to doll furniture. Things you've never thought of that can send you in unexpected directions.
Posted by: Wenda at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (T2yOX)

That's a handy tip.

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 12:04 PM (3Geud)

399 386 NOOD

Posted by: Skip the guy who calls noods at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (ZCEU2)



How 'bout my timing, eh?

Posted by: m at May 10, 2020 12:03 PM (3Geud)

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Bah, the book thread cares not for NOODS, especially if they're yet another rant about the wu-who-flu.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 12:05 PM (cfSRQ)

400 Is there a difference regarding how people of different races convert that molecule?
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V

********

Yes, the factors you mentioned- amount of skin pigmentation and clothing in particular can dramatically influence circulating bio-available Vit D levels.

Rickets in Dickensian London was attributed to both dietary deficiencies and smog-filled cloudy London clime blocking sunlight.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2020 12:05 PM (Fc5rx)

401 Alan Rickman was the best part of Dogma
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (DUIap)


Dear God I hated that movie, which I saw at my older daughter's insistence. She did a *lot* of penance for that waste of time.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 12:06 PM (y7DUB)

402 Alan Rickman had the ability to play thorough villains but there was always a little bit of fun or humor in his performances. Hans read about Asian Dawn in Time magazine. Marston 'fires' Quigley just before the last shoot out. Even Snape has his moments of sarcastic humor.

It makes for an appealing nd popular villain. Then see Rickman in an interview and he comes across as a really sweet guy.

Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2020 12:06 PM (7EjX1)

403 ''I am pleased that so many erudite and well-read morons show up every Sunday to make the thread worthwhile.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 12:04 PM (+klWv)''

No. Thank you OM for taking the time to put together this post every Sunday morning. It's a little bit of sunshine every week.

Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 12:07 PM (gLRfa)

404 389 Die Hard was Rickmans first big role. His secret sauce was finding the right tone in his accent to sound like a snarling Nazi without it coming off as parody
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (9TdxA)


My take is that Rickman chewed the scenery bigly in Die Hard, but you just didn't care.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 12:07 PM (+klWv)

405 Dogma had some good parts (the "buddy Jesus" bit showing churches trying to curry favor with the culture at the expense of their own truth) but was overall pretty awful yeah.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 12:08 PM (KZzsI)

406 It makes for an appealing nd popular villain. Then see Rickman in an interview and he comes across as a really sweet guy.

The documentary about the making of Galaxy Quest everyone said the same thing: he comes across as really aristocratic and condescending, with a biting sarcastic humor, but inside he was really sweet and everyone loved him.

Of course he's dead now so its hard to trust peoples' post-mortem applause. Everyone thinks Michael Jackson was just a beloved entertainer now that he's dead, not a child molesting freak who had to flee the country.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 12:10 PM (KZzsI)

407 Sunlight aids in Vit D synthesis. The preoccupation with getting NO UV rays on the skin is silly. Fortunately most people do not use enough to screen to attain their goal, but I have had the pleasure of meeting a few who have. Hats, long sleeves, umbrellas and high SPF reapplied regularly is extreme. There are a lot of extreme people out there, especially wine moms seeking perennial youth.

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 12:10 PM (ONvIw)

408 ''My take is that Rickman chewed the scenery bigly in Die Hard, but you just didn't care.''

It takes a highly skilled and talented actor to chew the scenery so effectively.

Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 12:10 PM (gLRfa)

409 Yes, OM, this thread is a weekly treasure. After my self imposed absence from the site, this is what initially brought me back.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 12:11 PM (y7DUB)

410 ''The documentary about the making of Galaxy Quest everyone said the same thing: he comes across as really aristocratic and condescending, with a biting sarcastic humor, but inside he was really sweet and everyone loved him.

Of course he's dead now so its hard to trust peoples' post-mortem applause. Everyone thinks Michael Jackson was just a beloved entertainer now that he's dead, not a child molesting freak who had to flee the country.''

He was a bit of a liberal flake but he was such a good actor I kind of ignored that part.

Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 12:13 PM (gLRfa)

411 I just hope one day to write a story that Blue Oyster Cult wants to make a song about

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 12:13 PM (KZzsI)

412
The song is better.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 10, 2020 12:04 PM (cfSRQ)

I took French classes at MSU to break up the day. in 20th Century lit, we read Camus, Gide, Mauriac and Sartre. Not my best choice of a class.

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2020 12:13 PM (ONvIw)

413 Paul Revere has two advantages: first, in addition to riding around at night he was a key node in the whole Sons of Liberty organizationm and an amazing silversmith, to boot.

His second advantage is that his name fits iambic pentameter very easily: "the MID night RIDE of PAUL re VERE" just rolls right off the tongue.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 10, 2020 12:15 PM (74T3z)

414 it's true...I have a picture here somewhere

little libraries, park benches, swingsets, play structures, slides, picnic tables, bike racks: all taped off by order of obergruppenfuehrer whitmer
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2020 10:58 AM (DUIap)

and why is nobody tearing down that tape, and setting fire to it? That's what masks are for, after all, concealing one's identity.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2020 12:16 PM (LZcDP)

415 Ok. I checked the Nood. I guess I'm ''flued out'', so to speak. The only "news" I'd like to hear today is that some of the coup conspirators have been arrested. A girl can dream.

Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 12:16 PM (gLRfa)

416 m I learned that is dumb luck trying to do that on a EMT

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2020 12:17 PM (ZCEU2)

417 That's what masks are for, after all, concealing one's identity.

Yeah its like they're begging us to rebel or something

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 12:19 PM (KZzsI)

418 ''I took French classes at MSU to break up the day. in 20th Century lit, we read Camus, Gide, Mauriac and Sartre. Not my best choice of a class.''

LOL. I took 19th century German Lit to meet a requirement. A 20 year old does need not to be exposed to that depressing shit.

Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 12:19 PM (gLRfa)

419 Dogma had some good parts (the "buddy Jesus" bit showing churches trying to curry favor with the culture at the expense of their own truth) but was overall pretty awful yeah.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 12:08 PM (KZzsI)


It didn't take long to do a 180 on Kevin Smith. The first half of Chasing Amy, which was the first thing I saw by him, was flat out hilarious and then turned really really stupid; although having Ben Affleck as a clueless fuckhead was inadvertently inspired casting. I laughed my way through Clerks and then rewatched it and thought I was dumb for enjoying it the first time. Plus I saw him on with Richard Roper when Fatfuck Ebert was too hideous to put on the air and he had some of the most ignorantly nonjudgmental takes on current films I've ever had inflicted on me.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 12:22 PM (y7DUB)

420 I just hope one day to write a story that Blue Oyster Cult wants to make a song about

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 12:13 PM (KZzsI)


You have already written a fine one for that: Life Unworthy. Now if only knew how to get them to read it.

Posted by: cool breeze at May 10, 2020 12:25 PM (UGKMd)

421 Thje best thing I ever saw by Kevin Smith was when he told the story of the time he played basketball with Prince. It was pretty hilarious. He was stoked at the notion of seeing Prince in sneakers, but he was disappointed when Prince came out dressed he always was, high heel boots included. And then proceeded to eat Smith's lunch on the court.

but I mostly hate his movies.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Clown Prince of Dumbness at May 10, 2020 12:26 PM (x8Wzq)

422 Kevin Smith is really hit and miss. I saw Clerks in a little art theater here (apparently low budget = art) and while it has a few funny lines, was not very good. But some of his stuff has been pretty funny, he'd be better off doing sketch comedy stuff rather than films.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 12:26 PM (KZzsI)

423 Playing basketball with Prince is rife with comedic potential, I gotta admit...

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 12:30 PM (y7DUB)

424 It takes a highly skilled and talented actor to chew the scenery so effectively.
Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 12:10 PM (gLRfa)
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I'd like to think that his take on first reading the script to the Costner "Robin Hood" was, "The only way I'm going to get through this idiocy is if I'm picking splinters out of my teeth after every take."

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 10, 2020 12:31 PM (4o2K3)

425 *insert random book thread comment to keep it alive*

Posted by: vmom 2020 - check out Gen Flynn's book here at May 10, 2020 12:36 PM (G546f)

426 I'd like to think that his take on first reading the script to the Costner "Robin Hood" was, "The only way I'm going to get through this idiocy is if I'm picking splinters out of my teeth after every take."

Probably his attitude was that of Shatner in season 3 Star Trek: I have to ham it up so badly that nobody notices how terrible and cheap the sets are. This is awful but if I play it up enough people might still be entertained and that's my job.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 12:36 PM (KZzsI)

427 No. Thank you OM for taking the time to put together this post every Sunday morning. It's a little bit of sunshine every week.
Posted by: Tuna at May 10, 2020 12:07 PM (gLRfa)

This. I faithfully read it every Sunday, even though I don't always comment. And I have a Word document called "Book Thread recs" that I use to save comments here. I got tired of going to Amazon to order books and then not remembering the titles and names of authors.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 10, 2020 12:40 PM (HabA/)

428 OM is amazing
love love love TSMBT

Posted by: vmom 2020 - check out Gen Flynn's book here at May 10, 2020 12:42 PM (G546f)

429 Reading Vol. 11 of "History of the Consulate and The Empire of France Under Napoleon" by Adolphe Thiers (1893). I'm at the part where Napoleon has returned from Elba and everyone is in a panic. He hadn't communicated with any of his former staff so they were taken by surprise. They were dismayed to hear he was back in France. The regular soldiers were ecstatic and immediately returned allegiance to Napoleon so the generals were forced to go along with it. But they no longer wanted to bow and scrape to Napoleon who was no more royal than they were. And they knew a useless war would be inevitable. The book is very compelling and not dry at all!

Posted by: microcosme at May 10, 2020 12:44 PM (B+xWY)

430 I guess that I should watch "Die Hard" because I have enjoyed all the other performances of Alan Rickman which I have seen. For Jane Austen fans, he is excellent as Colonel Brandon in "Sense and Sensibility" and from what I read about him, Rickman was indeed a genuinely nice guy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 12:49 PM (bW1Yb)

431 429 Yep

Posted by: Biding my time at May 10, 2020 12:51 PM (5wOoy)

432 418: I did better with Moliere, Corneille, and Racine.

Posted by: Biding my time at May 10, 2020 12:53 PM (5wOoy)

433 389 Die Hard was Rickmans first big role. His secret sauce was finding the right tone in his accent to sound like a snarling Nazi without it coming off as parody
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2020 12:01 PM (9TdxA)

IIRC, Die Hard was Rickman's movie debut.

Joel Silver saw him in London playing the lead in Liaisons, and that role made him a huge theater star. He didn't get the role in the movie, of course, but Silver had another role for him instead - as the villain in Die Hard. That was his very first movie.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 10, 2020 12:59 PM (m2EfB)

434 Has anyone read Lost Time: Lectures on Proust From a Soviet Prison Camp by Jozef Czapski? I gotta admit, for being such a bunch of quisling fucks, the New York Review of Books Publishing has a great catalogue.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 10, 2020 01:00 PM (y7DUB)

435 430 I guess that I should watch "Die Hard" because I have enjoyed all the other performances of Alan Rickman which I have seen.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 12:49 PM (bW1Yb)

Yippi ka yay!

Posted by: vmom 2020 - check out Gen Flynn's book here at May 10, 2020 01:05 PM (G546f)

436 Villains are tough to write because there's been eighty kabillion so you're never going to come up with anything really new and fresh. And too often because of so many villians, they can feel very derivative.

The modern answer is to make them not really villains at all, just Heroes Who Do Bad Things like movie Thanos (gosh he's so likable and all murdering half of life).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 01:18 PM (KZzsI)

437 Even some really memorable and well known villains like Moriarty are more known for what they represent than who they are. He has almost no lines in the Holmes books and is mentioned in only two or three.

Most of L'Amour's best villains were behind the scenes manipulators that had to be unmasked by the hero.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 10, 2020 01:21 PM (KZzsI)

438 Suggested title for a Spanish Civil War nonfiction: Between Death and Despair.

Posted by: Graves at May 10, 2020 01:27 PM (jlNTv)

439 Christopher R. Taylor @437, it is indeed rather curious that, although Moriartrty looms large in the popular conception of the Sherlock Holmes canon, he actually appears in only a few of the stories.

One of my favorite references to the sinister Professor Moriarty comes in "The Valley of Fear". Holmes and Watson are speaking:

"You have heard me speak of Professor Moriarty?"

"The famous scientific criminal, as famous among crooks as--"

"My blushes, Watson!" Holmes murmured in a deprecating voice.

" i was about to say, as he is unknown to the public."


"A touch! A distinct touch!" cried Holmes. "You are developing a certain unexpected vein of pawky humor, Watson, against which I must learn to guard myself..."

I love that exchange because it so neatly skewers the popular image of "Watson as doofus". A lot of that, of course, goes back to the movies.

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at May 10, 2020 01:40 PM (9AOND)

440 The book title 'story' is *very* cool. Noting the vintage of the books, I expected to find several that I had read, but, not so.

Only 'On The Beach', 'The English Patient', and academically-demanded bits of 'Common Sense'. I disappoint myself with regularity.

Assuming those books are from a book store, and not a private library, I'm glad that it is not in close proximity as it would be an irresistible lure.

It is also worth noting that almost all of those books have their dust jackets, which look to be in good condition.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2020 02:00 PM (WD9ZA)

441 His second advantage is that his name fits iambic pentameter very easily: "the MID night RIDE of PAUL re VERE" just rolls right off the tongue.
Posted by: Trimegistus
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I do love that poem, and risked 'Wall-O-Text' jeers by posting it on AoSHQ this past 4/18. There was a time when school children learned to recite the entire thing.

Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2020 02:08 PM (WZ5i4)

442
*stretches*
Ahhh. Quite a comfy place when you have it all to yourself.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2020 02:09 PM (X22L5)

443 Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2020 02:08 PM (WZ5i4)

We got to memorize:

Gaily bedight, a gallant knight
In sunshine and in shadow,
Had journeyed long,
Singing a song,
In search of Eldorado.

Posted by: vmom 2020 - check out Gen Flynn's book here at May 10, 2020 02:16 PM (G546f)

444 *stretches*
Ahhh. Quite a comfy place when you have it all to yourself.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2020 02:09 PM

Look, we'll draw a line down the middle and you stay on your side and I'll stay on mine. Mmmmmkay?

Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 10, 2020 02:52 PM (edlKR)

445 You little blurb was pretty funny. Maybe you can start a new genre-Jewish romance novels. As I said, though, I don't know anything about romance novels so I don't know if "slap her ass until she comes" is considered over the top and more of the soft porn genre. Good luck!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Now I've seen EVERYTHING !

Posted by: JT at May 10, 2020 02:56 PM (arJlL)

446 *stretches*
Ahhh. Quite a comfy place when you have it all to yourself.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2020 02:09 PM

Look, we'll draw a line down the middle and you stay on your side and I'll stay on mine. Mmmmmkay?
Posted by: Cybersmythe
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*mmmmph*

Oh, sorry, I must have dozed off. Which would explain this puddle of drool on the table.

But, where were we?, oh yes:


We got to memorize:

Gaily bedight, a gallant knight
In sunshine and in shadow,
Had journeyed long,
Singing a song,
In search of Eldorado.
Posted by: vmom
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The only long poem that I ever memorized was 'The Shooting of Dan McGrew'

"A bunch of the boys were whopping it up in the Malamute Saloon..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2020 03:03 PM (GBHAb)

447 Ooops. 'Whooping...'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2020 03:03 PM (GBHAb)

448 Ooops. 'Whooping...'
Posted by: Mike Hammer,

At least ya didn't write "Fapping"......

Posted by: JT at May 10, 2020 03:09 PM (arJlL)

449 125 Mary Poppins Practically Perfect

A Creole detective sounds interesting... off to check that out

Posted by: Charlotte at May 10, 2020 03:29 PM (Qq3ZN)

450 Who dis is too, too easy.

William Faulkner.

Posted by: RobertM at May 10, 2020 04:53 PM (lEqw+)

451 435 430 I guess that I should watch "Die Hard" because I have enjoyed all the other performances of Alan Rickman which I have seen.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 12:49 PM (bW1Yb)


Warning: It's pretty violent, and there lots of gratuitous cussing.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 05:21 PM (+klWv)

452 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2020 12:49 PM (bW1Yb)

Warning: It's pretty violent, and there lots of gratuitous cussing.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at May 10, 2020 05:21 PM (+klWv)

Taking the Lord's name in vain? never heard of it

You will in Die Hard.

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 10, 2020 05:29 PM (cknjq)

453 Look, we'll draw a line down the middle and you stay on your side and I'll stay on mine. Mmmmmkay?
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 10, 2020 02:52 PM (edlKR)

Your side my side! My side your side!

Posted by: Stark on FarScape at May 10, 2020 06:01 PM (G546f)

454 Good work morons, you drove the price up to $89

Posted by: Riderinthesky at May 10, 2020 07:16 PM (dMUuo)

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Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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