Thread before the Gardening Thread: Getting Out [KT]

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What can happen when restrictions are lifted

They are thinking about letting apartment-dwelling children outdoors for the first time in over a month in Spain. If they are accompanied by an adult. Imagine what it must be like being with kids who cannot go outdoors at all.

This week, right before President Trump's press conference, the one where he mentioned seeing light at the end of the tunnel, Gerard Van der Leun wrote, Come Out, Come Out, Wherever You Are.

It's time for somebody to turn on the light at the end of the tunnel because I have had it up to here with "the inside."
I have struggled to maintain my composure and my facade of good cheer when I am working out in The Yard of the Federal/State exercise program in our self-imposed and, so far, consensual prison. But if California is letting felons out of prison so that they can spread their prison viruses and criminal behavior among us while at the same time checking the homeless into free in fancy hotels, then I need to bust out of this jail if only to stock up on some torches and pitchforks.
I'm not alone.

One of the reasons I did fairly well with magazine and book publishing is that I have always had a good feel for the mood of the American mob. This morning I can feel several hundred million Americans getting fed up to here with this current clown show.
You can feel it too, can't you?

The great part of being in self-quarantine is that you don't have to look your best.
The great thing about breaking out of self-quarantine is you do have to look your best.
"Come out, come out, wherever you are...."

You might want to read the whole thing. It's short.

Signs of Hope

New government testing is modifying the earlier line we all read that sunlight did not kill the virus. A good reason to end some stupid government restrictions!

Today, I would like to invite you to take heart from The Occasional Fishing Threads here at AoSHQ, which also feature other wholesome outdoorsness. We hope it is not illegal to boat where you live.

And of course, the Saturday Gardening and Puttering Threads might also lure some of The Horde out of doors. At least where it is not illegal to buy seeds, and where the governor does not think that landscaping should be prohibited because it exposes people to "risk, serious risk".

Of course, there are always risks that people will go wild when restrictions, say, on beaches, are lifted. Especially if restrictions last too long.

Taking things too far

David Thompson found a piece about a woman who spends a lot of time outdoors.

There are members of The Horde who spend some time preparing for the Zombie Apocalypse, but this is something different - "The Romance of the Primitive:

I'm on my way to meet Lynx Vilden, a 54-year-old British expat who, for most of her adult life, has lived wholly off the grid. The slick roads don't help my apprehension about what lies ahead: a three-day, one-on-one experience of "living wild." The details are hazy. I've been advised to prepare for bracing climes and arduous excursions. "Wear sturdy shoes," Lynx told me. "Bring meat."

This is a woman who travels around the world, often by plane, offering primitive experiences to people.

Primitive living, it turns out, is so much easier with an inheritance.

When I finally arrive at the property in the early afternoon, she welcomes me to her wooded outpost wearing hand-stitched leathers. She heats her 900-square-foot log cabin--also the handiwork of the prior owners--by tending a wood-burning stove.
Again, if you're into Stone Age role-play, then spare cash and pre-built property, complete with solar panels, power outlets and rudimentary plumbing, does seem rather handy, perhaps a prerequisite. Such that our fearless disdainer of modernity can "divide her time" flying between continents as mood suits, from Sweden to France's Dordogne Valley and back to the mountains of Washington, USA. It's the prehistoric way.

Thompson also wrote about a young woman who lives where she could go outdoors, but spends her time stuck in a rented cabin in rural Montana, keeping a wood stove stoked very warm and belching lots of CO2, to defiantly keep a bunch of houseplants alive in the Age of Trump.

Sometimes, it can feel surprising that any beauty still exists in the world. It can feel wrong to keep cultivating our gardens while the world shatters outside our windows.
Yes, it's time to once again gawp at the mindset of the Salon-reader demographic. Or at least the Salon-writer demographic, with which it presumably overlaps. Specifically, a piece by Ms Alex Dew, "a recent graduate of Eastern Washington University's Master of Fine Arts programme in Creative Nonfiction," and whose urgent bulletin to the world is titled My Houseplant Garden Is A Tiny National Park Donald Trump Can Never Destroy.
If that sounds a tad overwrought and not entirely even-keeled, do read on.

I begin each day by taking a mental inventory of whatever horrors Trump has committed since I have been asleep,
As one does.

Don't let the two women above scare you off from the Gardening and Puttering Thread which will be coming up later today.

Music

Have a good weekend. Hope you can get outdoors a little.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:14 AM

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1 Saturdays are made for gardening.

And pets.

Hiya.

Posted by: mindful webworker
radically inclined
at April 18, 2020 11:15 AM (sLVyZ)

2 Pa is cutting prisoners loose too

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 11:18 AM (ZCEU2)

3 They're trying to turn us all into fearful alcoholic shut-ins marinating in our misery and pathetic gratitude for whatever meager liberty we've still been allowed. You know, Russians circa Soviet control.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 18, 2020 11:19 AM (H8QX8)

4 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

5
But my retirement dream is to be a full-time shut-in.
It's just not the same when everyone else is doing it, too, though.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:20 AM (gwQC+)

6 Famed and renowned gardener:

https://youtu.be/L3tnH4FGbd0

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

7 Freedom

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 11:21 AM (G546f)

8 I fail to wrap my head around releasing prisoners because of 'rona.

They're already quarantined. Why release them to infect or possibly intentionally KILL others?

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:21 AM (Zz0t1)

9 Pa is cutting prisoners loose too

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 11:18 AM (ZCEU2)

They're relaxing restrictions, Skip?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2020 11:22 AM (lwiT4)

10 2 Pa is cutting prisoners loose too
Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 11:18 AM (ZCEU2)

Setting prisoners free to and imprisoning law abiding people seems to be Democrat policy in a nutshell.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at April 18, 2020 11:22 AM (Uu+Jp)

11
Pa is cutting prisoners loose too

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 11:18 AM (ZCEU2)

They're relaxing restrictions, Skip?

Posted by: grammie winger

No, they're literally releasing criminals.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:23 AM (gwQC+)

12 Just had the thought that old saying
Never have so many gave their lives for so few
is happening right now.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 11:23 AM (ZCEU2)

13 Cold, damp and windy here in the western Poconos. What should have been trout season opener is deserted. PA Fish commission surprised announced the season was open a week ago Tuesday to cut down on opening day crowding. The weather today would have helped anyway.

Posted by: Cosda at April 18, 2020 11:23 AM (CWcH8)

14 Nevermind. I see what you were saying now.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2020 11:23 AM (lwiT4)

15
This Is The World We Live In Now.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:23 AM (gwQC+)

16 We're not under quarantine. Quarantine is forced isolation imposed upon those suspected of carrying a disease. We're under house arrest. Words matter.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 18, 2020 11:23 AM (H8QX8)

17 Freedom
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 11:21 AM (G546f)

You asked for it.

https://youtu.be/RTpWJikt_NA

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

18 Roomy

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at April 18, 2020 11:24 AM (ip00L)

19 This Is The World We Live In Now.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:23 AM (gwQC+)

But, this is not who we are.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:24 AM (Zz0t1)

20 The sun is shining and temps are headed to 60 today. Yesterday it snowed. Typical Illinois weather.
Happy Spring. I want to plant things.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 18, 2020 11:24 AM (Xt7n2)

21 Its supposedly the so far non-violent prisoners who might have picked up a trick or two while in the big house.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 11:25 AM (ZCEU2)

22 They're already quarantined. Why release them to infect or possibly intentionally KILL others?
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe!

I genuinely believe it is part of the "removal of masks" thing. They do it to intentionally create further misery and chaos. It's probably written down as part of their playbook.

Posted by: Biergood at April 18, 2020 11:25 AM (FQWHA)

23
MacGyver is on. It's the episode with Abe Vigoda.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:25 AM (gwQC+)

24 Rev crosses the border illegally everyday. I told him this morning to start wearing his clerical collar on his commute. Maybe they'll let him off easy. Or throw him in jail because, church.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2020 11:25 AM (lwiT4)

25 Skip, is that just the State slammers or are county prisons being ordered (by Harrisburg) to cut them loose? (In PA, it's county prison, not jail).

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 18, 2020 11:25 AM (C1Lsn)

26 Setting prisoners free to and imprisoning law abiding people seems to be Democrat policy in a nutshell.
Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at April 18, 2020 11:22 AM (Uu+Jp)

Girl in Wisconsin posts on Instagram that she's got the 'rona.

Sheriff visits her home and tells her to delete the post or she AND her parents will be arrested.

Should'a shot that fucker in the doorway.

That's not how this works, dickhead.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)

27 You asked for it.

https://youtu.be/RTpWJikt_NA
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe!

I was expecting Braveheart

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 11:26 AM (G546f)

28 I want to plant things

Democrats. Wetbacks.

Posted by: banned gardens at April 18, 2020 11:26 AM (ogbWw)

29 The yucca out front has a big beautiful bloom on it and I saw 3 hummingbirds eating while having a coffee

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 18, 2020 11:26 AM (N8G3E)

30 The sun is shining and temps are headed to 60 today. Yesterday it snowed. Typical Illinois weather.
Happy Spring. I want to plant things.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 18, 2020 11:24 AM (Xt7n2)

I hate Illinois nazis.....

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)

31 hiya

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2020 11:26 AM (arJlL)

32 If I hear the words "new normal" again I just might shoot the effing television.

Posted by: Cosda at April 18, 2020 11:26 AM (CWcH8)

33 Why release them to infect or possibly intentionally KILL others?
Because its not about the virus. These Guvs are using the virus as an excuse for most of their tyrannical decisions.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2020 11:27 AM (r+sAi)

34 Sponge - do you know which town in Wisconsin where that happened?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2020 11:27 AM (lwiT4)

35 I was expecting Braveheart
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 11:26 AM (G546f)

You expect the left jab, I sweep your feet from the right.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:27 AM (Zz0t1)

36 28. Heh. I was thinking tomatoes but those would plant too.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 18, 2020 11:27 AM (Xt7n2)

37 Pa is cutting prisoners loose too
Posted by: Skip

Guess they wanna beef up the crime stats.

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2020 11:28 AM (arJlL)

38 hummingbirds eating while having a coffee

Them humminbirds know their onions then

Posted by: banned keeping eye on the birdie at April 18, 2020 11:28 AM (ogbWw)

39 Sponge - do you know which town in Wisconsin where that happened?
Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2020 11:27 AM (lwiT4)

Marquette County

https://tinyurl.com/ya9e7rm4

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)

40 Because its not about the virus. These Guvs are using the virus as an excuse for most of their tyrannical decisions.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2020 11:27 AM (r+sAi)

"The issue is never the issue." Saul Alinsky

The virus is no longer the issue. Not really. Few of the governors could care less about it. Some want it to continue. This is about power and control. The virus is the most elegant and foolproof mechanism to achieve enormous irreversible ideological gains in the shortest period of time ever devised.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 18, 2020 11:29 AM (H8QX8)

41 MacGyver is on. It's the episode with Abe Vigoda.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:25 AM (gwQC+)

Watched that show the other day.

I forgot how horrible it was......

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)

42 Its supposedly the so far non-violent prisoners who might have picked up a trick or two while in the big house.
Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 11:25 AM (ZCEU2)

If It Saves Just One Life.
https://tinyurl.com/yaay4bfa

Posted by: hogmartin at April 18, 2020 11:30 AM (t+qrx)

43 The yucca out front has a big beautiful bloom on it and I saw 3 hummingbirds eating while having a coffee
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

Where did the hummingbirds get coffee ?

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2020 11:30 AM (arJlL)

44
Yeah, MacGyver is garbage.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:30 AM (gwQC+)

45 Thanks Sponge.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2020 11:30 AM (lwiT4)

46 Thanks Sponge.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2020 11:30 AM (lwiT4)

My pleasure.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)

47 there was a sort of ad hoc protest at the Salem capitol building yesterday, for about 30 or so minutes people were driving around the block the builiding is no, honking.

Day before yesterday there was some sort of child care provider protest too, which, while they were keeping 6 feet apart by holding onto a rope (child care providers do that for group visits) it still came off kind of wimpy.
It may have been the leader doing chants through the playskool looking bullhorn.

If you drive over the bridge over the Willamette river you can see the hobo encampment at the city park that has sprung up. Originally they were camping on the city streets, and then the city decided to house them at the state fair grounds, and apparently that wasn't good enough.
The least coherent ones are back to roaming the streets.

There was an article in the local rag, on the front page, about the Sheriff doing a clean up at the park yet again, so I am wondering how long the shut down is going to remain something to endure.

I have said my life is in the hands of a higher power. I did not mean Kate Brown.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 18, 2020 11:31 AM (WyVLE)

48
Fascism, straight up:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8231851

A Wisconsin threatened to arrest a 16 yr old girl and her parents for inciting panic if they didn't take one of her Instagram posts. The idiot girl went on Spring Break, and came back and came down with presumed WuFlu. She posted pictures of herself with an O2 mask on shit.

Sheriff didn't like it, saying it was causing panic, so he sends a goon out to threaten her.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 11:32 AM (f1Vqw)

49 32 Heh. I was thinking about that earlier. If I hear "new normal" or "we're all in this together", or the cart jockey at the grocery is deserving a Silver Star, it might be, in small town Arkansas news " Barling man caps tv. Local Police compliment him on his marksmanship".

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 18, 2020 11:32 AM (C1Lsn)

50
I have struggled to maintain my composure and my facade of good cheer
when I am working out in The Yard of the Federal/State exercise program
in our self-imposed and, so far, consensual prison. But if California
is letting felons out of prison so that they can spread their prison
viruses and criminal behavior among us while at the same time checking
the homeless into free in fancy hotels, then I need to bust out of this
jail if only to stock up on some torches and pitchforks.

I'm not alone.

Nailed it.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 11:32 AM (MQ0v4)

51 Pa has both county and state lock ups. Graterford is a state pen.
Would think state was the ones being released.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 11:32 AM (ZCEU2)

52 Sheriff didn't like it, saying it was causing panic, so he sends a goon out to threaten her.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 11:32 AM (f1Vqw)

Totally chilling. If this doesn't appall you as an American you don't deserve citizenship.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 18, 2020 11:33 AM (H8QX8)

53 Stay at home...wear a mask...don't work...don't touch stuff....annnnnd here's your mail with envelopes licked from around the world.

(eye roll)

Posted by: Orson at April 18, 2020 11:33 AM (g4936)

54 Again, if you're into Stone Age role-play, then spare cash and pre-built
property, complete with solar panels, power outlets and rudimentary
plumbing, does seem rather handy, perhaps a prerequisite. Such that our
fearless disdainer of modernity can "divide her time" flying between
continents as mood suits, from Sweden to France's Dordogne Valley and
back to the mountains of Washington, USA. It's the prehistoric way.

This is why I find the Alaska shows so irritating. They pretend they're all about a natural lifestyle, and getting back to basics, all while they drive snowmobiles and boats with outboard motors, cut wood with chainsaws, shoot game with nice rifles, and in general use modern tech when it's convenient. The big one, of course, is that when they or their kids get sick, they head out to the state-supported modern medical facility, payed for with oil money made possible by the most advanced oil tech in the world.

Yeah, you're a real wild man.

Posted by: pep at April 18, 2020 11:33 AM (T6t7i)

55 Ah well, I've always been an "indoor sportsman" pretty much, anyway.

Posted by: BignJames at April 18, 2020 11:34 AM (X/Pw5)

56 Girl in Wisconsin posts on Instagram that she's got the 'rona.

Sheriff visits her home and tells her to delete the post or she AND her parents will be arrested.

Should'a shot that fucker in the doorway.

That's not how this works, dickhead.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)

When the SHTF, the cops are not going to be on our side or the side of the Constitution. We're seeing more evidence of this every single day with this fascist police state bullshit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:34 AM (NWiLs)

57 The CONCEPT of self reliance in the woods is very satisfying, but the real work of living like it is 1935 is ... well I don't know because I have not tried. It would be much harder, though I have most of what I need if the EMP from the sun, or some other crushing blow to modern society were to arrive.

The homesteading movement has caught on to some degree, but modern ag is still feeding the world. If only we could get more "Buy Local" without the commie "Sustainable" nonsense that has pushed global warming lies into every local movement. Even with the virus thing, we get to hear "and let's not forget the other threat to humanity, Global Warming".

Maybe the more self reliant will now consider leaving BigCity and acquiring their country home, developing a nice estate that is productive and culturally enriching. Or maybe people just became more reliant on Amazon and Googulag, idk. A little of both I suppose.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 18, 2020 11:35 AM (Cus5s)

58 I have said my life is in the hands of a higher power.

Browning P35?

Posted by: getting the banned into the classics at April 18, 2020 11:35 AM (ogbWw)

59 Is that a picture of The Great Wall? Looks like it.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 11:36 AM (ZLI7S)

60 JackStraw

Yup.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 11:37 AM (u82oZ)

61 Sheriff didn't like it, saying it was causing panic, so he sends a goon out to threaten her.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 11:32 AM (f1Vqw)

The goon's name is Sgt. Cameron Klump. Not as smart as Sherman.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:37 AM (NWiLs)

62 The war game of the Democrats is to keep us miserable as long as possible while demonizing Trump incessantly as ALL HIS FAULT.

This will unleash enough pent up fury for folks to vote in A Democrat as something, anything different.

Posted by: RM at April 18, 2020 11:37 AM (0Kazp)

63 The brighter side of the virus: Taylor Swift has announced that she is cancelling all shows and appearances in 2020.

Posted by: Stu-22 at April 18, 2020 11:37 AM (kZT36)

64 JackStraw

I mean nope. It looks like the national park approach to a popular overlook.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 11:38 AM (u82oZ)

65 Locally, there appears to be lax enforcement, at best, of various idiotic "social distancing" nonsense.

I fully expect things may just start opening up, locally, sooner, rather than later, no matter what Governor GoodHair AKA Newsom may say.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 18, 2020 11:39 AM (WEBkv)

66 I didn't shoot no deputy.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 18, 2020 11:39 AM (PUmDY)

67 The romancing of Nature is nothing more than an infantile attempt to throw off the moral backpack we humans lug through life. And I say that as one who in his younger days spent a fair amount of time huddled in tents above various treelines during snow storms. Mother Nature's "mommy parts" ain't so alluring when she's trying to kick your ass.

Posted by: RS at April 18, 2020 11:39 AM (cT2Wi)

68 When the SHTF, the cops are not going to be on our side or the side of the Constitution. We're seeing more evidence of this every single day with this fascist police state bullshit.

"The Cops" isn't really a thing. They are all individuals. Sadly, law enforcement is a magnet for people who like exerting power over people, but they aren't all like that. Too many, but not all.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at April 18, 2020 11:39 AM (QS7aK)

69 "Don't let the two women above scare you off..."

These are not women. They are female children who probably wore out their welcome in their parents' home, and being 18 or over, could no longer force others to provide for them, while their ability to attract a mate is almost certainly dubious. Thus, the woods.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 18, 2020 11:40 AM (Zag26)

70 Where did the hummingbirds get coffee ?
Posted by: JT at April 18, 2020 11:30 AM (arJlL)

The tiny mugs they drink out of must be truly adorable.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at April 18, 2020 11:40 AM (Uu+Jp)

71 No gun shows for you.

Posted by: Karen at April 18, 2020 11:40 AM (ogbWw)

72
Stay at home...wear a mask...don't work...don't touch stuff....annnnnd
here's your mail with envelopes licked from around the world.

(eye roll)

" Would you like to make that a Corona Combo?"

Posted by: 13 filthy booger picking teens at Chick Fil A at April 18, 2020 11:40 AM (MQ0v4)

73 56 The problem with cops nowadays is stricter requirements. A lot of big city departments require college education, some with a degree. Olden days, you get out of the service, or your whole family were cops, you went to the academy. Now, you get the SJW indoctrination first.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 18, 2020 11:40 AM (C1Lsn)

74 40 Because its not about the virus. These Guvs are using the virus as an excuse for most of their tyrannical decisions.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2020 11:27 AM (r+sAi)

"The issue is never the issue." Saul Alinsky

The virus is no longer the issue. Not really. Few of the governors could care less about it. Some want it to continue. This is about power and control. The virus is the most elegant and foolproof mechanism to achieve enormous irreversible ideological gains in the shortest period of time ever devised.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 18, 2020 11:29 AM (H8QX

Exactly. This explains why the obergruppenfuhrers in places like MI and KY are being even more extreme and totalitarian, even as the trend lines flatten and decline. THEY'RE panicking as the pretext for their fascist bullshit is starting to slip away.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:41 AM (NWiLs)

75 I've lived with no electricity, haul your own water, no refrigeration. No electricity makes things take 20-30% longer to do. Cutting wood takes time. (Husband liked to use an ax on slash pile leavings). I have some good skills and I like to get into arguments with people telling me to cut back on using electricity. It's their turn. I've done my time.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2020 11:41 AM (Lqy/e)

76 66 I didn't shoot no deputy.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 18, 2020 11:39 AM (PUmDY)

I Shot the Sherrif will be banned.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at April 18, 2020 11:41 AM (Uu+Jp)

77 My late partner, named Karen and no, she would've kicked the current crop of 'Karens' asses, wrote for the outdoor magazines, websites and newspapers in the Northwest.
This lock down would've had her completely frantic. She HAD to be out in the mountains and forests. For the first time in the last six years I'm relieved that she isn't here to see this.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at April 18, 2020 11:41 AM (Eb+fP)

78 I have a theory about Reopening America. based on a similarity to economic history following the end of WWII:

1) The end of WWII was both sudden & completely unexpected. The war was supposed to go on at LEAST another year, & probably longer, but then... Enola Gay.

Economists, ALL of them, predicted that America would go right back into its pre-War economic recession. After all, govt orders to factories ("cost plus 10%") came to an abrupt end. These factories were shut down for re-tooling, & Rosie the Riveter got a pink slip, and... no-one had confidence that there would be any demand for consumer goods.

But there was, and how! All that enforced savings for 3+ years ("Buy War Bonds!") fueled the greatest economic boom in U.S. history-- everybody wanted 1) a baby; 2) a new car; & 3) a pre-fab house.

2) On a much smaller scale, there has been de facto "forced savings" for the last 3 months (i.e., by the time businesses start to reopen).

I posit that there will be a mini-boom after the Reopening, because people have been saving money whether they wanted to or not... no restaurants; nowhere to drive to; no dog groomer expenses, etc.

If I'm right, based on U.S. economic history following WWII, then fasten your seatbelts.

Posted by: mnw at April 18, 2020 11:41 AM (Cssks)

79 When the SHTF, the cops are not going to be on our side or the side of the Constitution. We're seeing more evidence of this every single day with this fascist police state bullshit.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:34 AM (NWiLs)

Power corrupts. Some can handle it, a lot can't.

How was Week 1?

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:42 AM (Zz0t1)

80 The tiny mugs they drink out of must be truly adorable.
Posted by: Northernlurker
---------

Like those dollhouse place settings.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2020 11:42 AM (dP625)

81 Morning everyone.
Are we all still alive?

Getting real tired of this BS.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 18, 2020 11:42 AM (axyOa)

82 You could hear the hummingbirds buzzing about social distancing, and the one with the mask on was having a hell of a time.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 18, 2020 11:43 AM (N8G3E)

83 The correct observation is that it's not about the virus anymore, it's about power and checking how far the public can be manipulated. The program want full control and this is just another social experiment to them.

Posted by: Abby at April 18, 2020 11:43 AM (SM/op)

84 Happy Spring. I want to plant things.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 18, 2020 11:24 AM (Xt7n2)

I'd like to plant things. But they would just die. I have a black thumb.

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 18, 2020 11:43 AM (OzQGF)

85 We're going out to the sticks today. The trails around the metro have been packed. We're going to a trail marked "rugged", "tell a friend if you're going." "bring a cell phone" etc. Hoping to have a little seclusion to go with the sun.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 18, 2020 11:43 AM (7Fj9P)

86 Freedom
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 11:21 AM (G546f)

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Where?

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 11:44 AM (RU4sa)

87 Red Fox mom update:
We saw the fox making her rounds this morning, and Ihad remarked to my wife that we'd never seen her with anything in her mouth, and her kits must be hungry. Not 30 minutes later, she ran past with a squirrel in her mouth.
I'm gonna guess the squirrel was less than enamored of the au naturel lifestyle at that point.

Posted by: pep at April 18, 2020 11:44 AM (T6t7i)

88 but then... Enola Gay.
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It just came to me, the HIV 'epidemic' should have been called 'The Ebola Ghey' epidemic.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2020 11:44 AM (dP625)

89 Out and about on my morning walk... Saw 3 people one with mask and 2 without... It's now mandatory if you go into any building except your home... We have 2 deaths 180 cases majority "cured" and 13 in hospital... In a County of over 500 thousand

Posted by: It's me donna at April 18, 2020 11:44 AM (5bxa0)

90 >>I mean nope. It looks like the national park approach to a popular overlook.

Well the Great Wall is a national park now and some of it is actually just giant boulders or hillside.

One thing about Chinese, the have no concept of personal space the way westerners do. Their idea of social distancing is about 6 inches not 6 feet.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 11:44 AM (ZLI7S)

91 Freedom rocks.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 18, 2020 11:44 AM (PUmDY)

92 Happy Spring. I want to plant things.
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Oldest is raising veggies from seed. All indoors now, had a hard frost last night. My yard is less than ideal for growing stuff; might have to do a raised bed in the front yard.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 18, 2020 11:45 AM (7Fj9P)

93 Sheriff didn't like it...
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 11:32 AM (f1Vqw)

I'm here trying to take this seriously, and there you go getting The Clash stuck in my head.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 18, 2020 11:46 AM (t+qrx)

94 The number one phrase of the year 2020 will go down in history as "Fuck you, Karen".

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 18, 2020 11:46 AM (C1Lsn)

95 Hmmm, going to have to hit the grocery store again (it is amazing how much food you go through at home when not working.)

Wonder if I could just wear my balaclava if'n they are trying to enforce masks? They have not been the past few times I have gone out, but not much would surprise me. Might be a bit warm.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 11:46 AM (A5zUN)

96 Power corrupts. Some can handle it, a lot can't.

How was Week 1?
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 18, 2020 11:42 AM (Zz0t1)

Yes it does. And positions of power tend to attract the absolute last sort of people you want having power, especially when it comes with guns and arrest powers.

Week 1 was good! A few technical hiccups here and there, as is to be expected. Otherwise things went pretty well. I'm a little rusty, but I've still got it, and I think I'll settle into the groove within the next week or two. It's definitely an adjustment process.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:46 AM (NWiLs)

97 Will we get to the point where you go shopping and see plentiful stocks of everything, but find out you have to wait in line, and find out its all for show.
Anyone remember 'Service Merchandise', Where you went in the store and looked, picked out what you wanted and then were given a ticket and waited in another line for the thing to come down a conveyor belt, if it was available.
Our future, for sure.

Posted by: Colin at April 18, 2020 11:47 AM (IXPzo)

98 It just came to me, the HIV 'epidemic' should have been called 'The Ebola Ghey' epidemic.

Not bad. Not bad at all.

Posted by: pep at April 18, 2020 11:47 AM (T6t7i)

99 The correct observation is that it's not about the virus anymore, it's
about power and checking how far the public can be manipulated.

There are FAR too many wannabe-fascists in law-enforcement. Several sheriffs in at least 3 states have refused to enforce Unconstitutional law.

The enforcers are a problem . But the root of the problem isn't the enforcers. It's the law-makers.

You think these governors are doing this shit without the advice of counsel?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 11:47 AM (MQ0v4)

100 We on the right endured 8 long freaking years of abuse at the hands of the Obama administration.

We can list the ways in which the Obama administration went out of its way to make life hard for the average American.

Yet, we went on about our business.

Meanwhile, the left, as exemplified by Alex Drew, who is not really a notable example of leftist psychosis, but, rather unremarkable in that regard, is hysterical over imagined things President Trump has done to make her life hard.

The leftist mind is quite the funhouse mirror, isn't it?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 18, 2020 11:48 AM (WEBkv)

101 Anyone remember 'Service Merchandise', Where you went in the store and looked, picked out what you wanted and then were given a ticket and waited in another line for the thing to come down a conveyor belt, if it was available.
Our future, for sure.
Posted by: Colin at April 18, 2020 11:47 AM (IXPzo)

Ours always had a peculiar smell. Cannot describe it, but you knew it when you were in the store.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 11:48 AM (A5zUN)

102 97 Will we get to the point where you go shopping and see plentiful stocks of everything, but find out you have to wait in line, and find out its all for show.
Anyone remember 'Service Merchandise', Where you went in the store and looked, picked out what you wanted and then were given a ticket and waited in another line for the thing to come down a conveyor belt, if it was available.
Our future, for sure.
Posted by: Colin at April 18, 2020 11:47 AM (IXPzo

I 'member. I'm actually older than I look...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:49 AM (NWiLs)

103 Is that a picture of The Great Wall? Looks like it.
Posted by: JackStraw

There's a sale on toilet paper.

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2020 11:49 AM (arJlL)

104 101 Anyone remember 'Service Merchandise', Where you went in the store and looked, picked out what you wanted and then were given a ticket and waited in another line for the thing to come down a conveyor belt, if it was available.
Our future, for sure.
Posted by: Colin at April 18, 2020 11:47 AM (IXPzo)

Ours always had a peculiar smell. Cannot describe it, but you knew it when you were in the store.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 11:48 AM (A5zUN)

Holy shit, you're right. I had forgotten all about it until you mentioned it just now. I can almost smell it. It wasn't necessarily bad, but it was distinctive.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:50 AM (NWiLs)

105 Come out and play all you Soi-Bois and Karens...

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8aew4xp

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 18, 2020 11:50 AM (sVQnU)

106 Ours was also divided into two halves. There was housewares (furniture, dishes, so forth) on one side and Sport (Bikes, toys, weights, etc) on the other.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 11:50 AM (A5zUN)

107 Black negligee face masks get my blood galloping.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 11:50 AM (wcUdU)

108 I know I'm getting cabin fever because I've been going out to dinner with friends in my dreams for about a week now....
..and get well soon, Ace.

Posted by: vivi at April 18, 2020 11:50 AM (11H2y)

109 Is that a picture of The Great Wall? Looks like it.
Posted by: JackStraw

They could've at least painted it; instead of standing around doing nothing.

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2020 11:51 AM (arJlL)

110 Ace ...sick?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 11:51 AM (wcUdU)

111 78 I have a theory about Reopening America. based on a similarity to economic history following the end of WWII:

1) The end of WWII was both sudden & completely unexpected. The war was supposed to go on at LEAST another year, & probably longer, but then... Enola Gay.

Economists, ALL of them, predicted that America would go right back into its pre-War economic recession. After all, govt orders to factories ("cost plus 10%") came to an abrupt end. These factories were shut down for re-tooling, & Rosie the Riveter got a pink slip, and... no-one had confidence that there would be any demand for consumer goods.

But there was, and how! All that enforced savings for 3+ years ("Buy War Bonds!") fueled the greatest economic boom in U.S. history-- everybody wanted 1) a baby; 2) a new car; & 3) a pre-fab house.

2) On a much smaller scale, there has been de facto "forced savings" for the last 3 months (i.e., by the time businesses start to reopen).

I posit that there will be a mini-boom after the Reopening, because people have been saving money whether they wanted to or not... no restaurants; nowhere to drive to; no dog groomer expenses, etc.

If I'm right, based on U.S. economic history following WWII, then fasten your seatbelts.

Posted by: mnw at April 18, 2020 11:41 AM (Cssks)

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A little tidbit to add to that. YOU KNOW that the guy in the White House is going to stick it to the Chinese. I guarantee that right this very moment his entire Economic team is throwing together incentives for retail, electronics, textiles and steel to return massively to this country at the outright expense of China. One of the big costs these days is distribution. Somehow that will be leveraged to make it more expensive to import from China. The recovery here will be faster than it could have been because it's basically a clean slate and large manufacturers have to adapt to their current revenue. They will, almost, be forced to follow whatever highway the White House lays out for them.

I predict China will regret the last few months... a lot.

Posted by: Orson at April 18, 2020 11:51 AM (g4936)

112 Sounds like IKEA.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 18, 2020 11:51 AM (PUmDY)

113 I posit that there will be a mini-boom after the Reopening, because people have been saving money whether they wanted to or not... no restaurants; nowhere to drive to; no dog groomer expenses, etc.

If I'm right, based on U.S. economic history following WWII, then fasten your seatbelts.

Posted by: mnw at April 18, 2020 11:41 AM (Cssks)
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I think companies will move post-haste out of China, also, which should fuel a boom, too. And, I expect President Trump will probably find a way to encourage business to move back to the US, also.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 18, 2020 11:51 AM (WEBkv)

114 Holy shit, you're right. I had forgotten all about it until you mentioned it just now. I can almost smell it. It wasn't necessarily bad, but it was distinctive.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:50 AM (NWiLs)

Yeah, it is/was strange. I know the smell, and you are right, it is not unpleasant or anything, just peculiar (particular?) Maybe it was the smell of new furniture, some glue like 'New Car Smell'?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 11:51 AM (A5zUN)

115 This is fascinating. Look at the geo-political games Trump is playing behind the scenes to hurt China.

https://tinyurl.com/y73lgv78

Anyone think Biden would've done this?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 11:53 AM (ZLI7S)

116 Maybe Tomorrow is a great j5 song.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 18, 2020 11:53 AM (PUmDY)

117 "Visitors crowded pathways at the Huangshan, or Yellow, Mountains in Anhui province on the weekend to celebrate the annual Ching Ming festival, also known as Tomb Sweeping Day."

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 11:53 AM (sGotD)

118 JackStra

Been talking through my hat this morning. I need more caffeine.

Has RI relaxed it's dragnet for New Yorkers?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 11:53 AM (u82oZ)

119 Top Story at WZs is pretty sweet.

https://tinyurl.com/y6v2pbpp

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 11:53 AM (A5zUN)

120 75 I've lived with no electricity, haul your own water, no refrigeration. No electricity makes things take 20-30% longer to do.

==

backbreaking work

just maintenance chores - laundry by hand - is a huge effort

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 11:53 AM (G546f)

121 Service Merchandise store and smell. The most distinctive smell of any store was the old A and P stores. The smell of 8 O'clock coffee you ground, coupled with the fact they all seemed to have wood floors, absorbing everything from the produce department.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 18, 2020 11:54 AM (C1Lsn)

122 Imagine the smell of one of those Japanese used panty vending machines

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 18, 2020 11:54 AM (N8G3E)

123 >Imagine what it must be like being with kids who cannot go outdoors at all.

Imagine a kid having a cellphone and you're right there.

Posted by: ArthurK at April 18, 2020 11:55 AM (RYewJ)

124 122 Imagine the smell of one of those Japanese used panty vending machines
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 18, 2020 11:54 AM (N8G3E)

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Why???

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 11:55 AM (RU4sa)

125 Imagine the smell of one of those Japanese used panty vending machines

I'll leave that to you... nyah.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 18, 2020 11:55 AM (sVQnU)

126 A little tidbit to add to that. YOU KNOW that the guy in the White House is going to stick it to the Chinese.

So you're saying there's a new tariff in town?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 11:55 AM (MQ0v4)

127 Orson & blake:

Don't forget pharmaceuticals! I'm gd CERTAIN some of that's moving back here from China!

Pharma companies will start relocating to the U.S., in the EXPECTATION that the govt will make them do so anyway.

Posted by: mnw at April 18, 2020 11:56 AM (Cssks)

128 120 75 I've lived with no electricity, haul your own water, no refrigeration. No electricity makes things take 20-30% longer to do.

==

backbreaking work

just maintenance chores - laundry by hand - is a huge effort
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 11:53 AM (G546f)

I do not think all of these granola chomping, crystal gripping hippies actually realize what a wonder AC is. They are mostly doing this back to nature shtick in the mountains or someplace that tends toward cool.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 11:56 AM (A5zUN)

129 The Left likely did not imagine, a lifetime ago during the impeachment circus, that they could beat us with public health as the issue, but here we are.

Public health trumps all, which is why we see the police at ever level, state, county, municipal, village, all so totally on board with mandates for masks, assembly control, business closures, and all the rest.

It is why the Karens can, with some emails and phone calls, and messages to newly-built online snitch boards, close parks, beaches, hiking trails, bikeways, and any kind of outdoor recreation.

Having found this, they really need nothing else. Going forward, it'll be public health all the way.

To demonstrate is to kill people.

To have a political rally is to kill people.

To vote in person is to kill people.

Demand a face to face with a politician at any level from small town board up to U.S. Senate? It is killing people to do it.

Meetings like (so last centurn, so almost medieval) the Tea Party had? Sorry, can't do. Armed jackbooted cops in Kevlar vests, wearing all kinds of new PP gear, will shut it down and take you away in cuffs.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 18, 2020 11:56 AM (+fPHo)

130
Bisuteki?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:57 AM (gwQC+)

131 Here's a crazy thought that will probably get me some hate, but here goes...

What if the models were actually correct?

What if the "best case" even with social distancing and shut down orders really was 2.5 million American dead, clogged hospitals, and mass graves?

And then we started praying.

And God *heard our prayers.*

What if the scientists aren't puzzling because they are liars or stupid but because something that happened that *cannot be explained* by science?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2020 11:57 AM (cfSRQ)

132 There may be a few comparisons to post WW2, but maybe more like the Marshall Plan than a domestic boom. The war was years of pent up demand AND we bombed to oblivion most of our competition around the world. It set America in a unique position, with the UN and IMF being centered in the US, and we became The Superpower.

The $5-10 TRILLION of government money is now filling the big holes, many of which were dug pre-virus (e.g. all the US debt in the system, pension holes, corporate debt, personal debt). Much will be poured into corporate debt, some of it bad debt. The richest will once again benefit the most ... even the bad actors.

Choosing a more fulfilling lifestyle is one thing, saving the country from the globalist oligarchs is another aspect that must be confronted, if we are to maintain/regain liberty. A restructuring of debt on behalf of America, and on behalf of the citizens living on credit (debt slaves) ... should be part of the "new world order" ... which has indeed been thrust upon us.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 18, 2020 11:57 AM (Cus5s)

133
Speaking of which...

Hibachi grills are extinct.

Why are we letting China build 99% of our bbq grills?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:58 AM (gwQC+)

134 Anyone remember 'Service Merchandise', Where you went in the store and looked, picked out what you wanted and then were given a ticket and waited in another line for the thing to come down a conveyor belt, if it was available.
Our future, for sure.
Posted by: Colin at April 18, 2020 11:47 AM

Every person working the pick up conveyor belt side were the least helpful unmotivated people in retail. The store staff, I think, were on commission like old Circuit City so they were a little over helpful but that was good. But then when you had to go to pick what you bought up it was 20-30min of wait. So I stopped going even with a sale.

Posted by: banana Dream at April 18, 2020 11:58 AM (l6b3d)

135 another absurd email exchange with BOA over this PPP plan. G-D I hate them with a passion. The fuckin morons were asking for BOTH a Schedule C and a Profit and Loss statement???????? Actually non of their fuckin business for this Pay Check Protection Plan. I am sure Congress was not intending this kind of absurd documentation

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 11:59 AM (85Gof)

136 Been listening to 007 theme for 12 hours.....by The Art of Noises. Now playing Beat The Brat With A Baseball Bat by those salon singers...The Ramones.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 11:59 AM (wcUdU)

137 Ace put up a thread last night, first stomping but then undernood he wasn't feeling well but sure it wasn't the virus in popular demand.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 11:59 AM (ZCEU2)

138
FRED will show the real GDP drop at the end of WWII:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPCA

To see it, you're going to have narrow the range. It used to be you could do the changes and it would generate a URL for that change, but no more with the update system.

Note this is real GDP (inflation adjusted) in 2012 dollars.

You can change the units to look at change, and see that drop was between 10 and 15% in GDP.

This was a YUGE drop in GDP, but no real recession as we think of it occured.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (f1Vqw)

139 Anyone remember 'Service Merchandise', Where you went in the store and looked, picked out what you wanted and then were given a ticket and waited in another line for the thing to come down a conveyor belt, if it was available.
Our future, for sure.
Posted by: Colin at April 18, 2020 11:47 AM

Ah your a youngin...Remember Green Stamps redemption centers?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (85Gof)

140 So at Walmart, they now have signs -- on the floor -- saying which way to go down the aisles. And, before I noticed these signs, I had "Kyle" telling me I was going the wrong way.

Like we don't pass each other in other aisles, or stack up behind each other in the one-ways.

Crap. Bull-bleep.

Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is overreaction at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (w3u2W)

141
Trump's administration celebrates an important victory over Beijing:
Kiev is ready to ban the sale of the engine building company Motor Sich
to China and yield it to the Americans. This is the result of strong
pressure from Washington on Vladimir Zelensky, including the freezing of
military aid. However, Ukraine's relations with its largest trading
partner, China, will be spoiled from now on.

It's not a nuke.

But it's a nice start!

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (MQ0v4)

142 >>Has RI relaxed it's dragnet for New Yorkers?

Not so much. It turns out we are getting hit from both NY and MA. Out of staters have turned the Providence area into a hot spot which of course means the whole state has been paying for it.

We have 4 old military bases on the island, 5 if you count Dutch Island, and they have all been turned into parks. Great places to hike and walk the dog. And now all but one of them, one almost nobody but locals knows about, are closed.

It's getting tedious.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)

143 A restructuring of debt on behalf of America, and on behalf of the
citizens living on credit (debt slaves) ... should be part of the "new
world order" ... which has indeed been thrust upon us.

It's an interesting thought, but there will be no return to not living on credit. The real problem is the Dallas effect, which means it's easy now for the average person to see how the wealthy live, and want summa that for themselves, whether they've earned it or not. Thus, people's spending outstrips their means. That won't stop.

Posted by: pep at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (T6t7i)

144 I could use a beerman, you know, like the old milkmen did when I was a kid. Show up early,take the empties and leave a fresh supply on the front porch.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 18, 2020 12:01 PM (N8G3E)

145 I know I'm getting cabin fever because I've been going out to dinner with friends in my dreams for about a week now....
..and get well soon, Ace.
Posted by: vivi

No Calories !

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2020 12:01 PM (arJlL)

146 >>> Why are we letting China build 99% of our bbq grills?
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 11:58 AM

Weber grills are still made in USA. They're one of the main grill companies. I got the nice master touch charcoal grill.

Posted by: banana Dream at April 18, 2020 12:01 PM (l6b3d)

147 If you wonder why I'm for the Death Penalty, just look to the mass release of criminals going on right now.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2020 12:02 PM (uEbPt)

148 It's getting tedious.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)

Very Tedious

Ya think it is a problem I keep opening my safe and petting my guns? And calling them my precious? LOL
( just kidding...mostly)

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:02 PM (85Gof)

149 https://tinyurl.com/y73lgv78

Anyone think Biden would've done this?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 11:53 AM (ZLI7S)

er, Donbas Insider ? kidding. as good a source as any from overseas, I suppose.

Here is something : "The fact is that despite the huge resources invested in the development of its own aircraft industry, the Chinese failed to develop aircraft engines with a large overhaul capacity. " They were counting on getting old Soviet technology (which would be advanced to them, by pressuring the Ukrs.)

And these primitive mucks think they have capability to splice genomes and create cures ?

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:02 PM (zr5Kq)

150 life on a pre-Rural Electrification West Texas farm:

Audie Murphy: "I liked the Army right away, because they let you sleep all the way to 5am."

Posted by: mnw at April 18, 2020 12:02 PM (Cssks)

151 148 It's getting tedious.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)

Very Tedious

Ya think it is a problem I keep opening my safe and petting my guns? And calling them my precious? LOL
( just kidding...mostly)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:02 PM (85Gof)

This is Vera. She's my favorite gun in the whole 'verse.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:02 PM (NWiLs)

152 Why can't i get all the popular diseases?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 12:02 PM (wcUdU)

153 If you wonder why I'm for the Death Penalty, just look to the mass release of criminals going on right now.
Posted by: ... at April 18, 2020 12:02 PM (uEbPt)

Which is another reason I pet my guns and say sweet things to them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:03 PM (85Gof)

154 I do not think all of these granola chomping, crystal gripping hippies actually realize what a wonder AC is. They are mostly doing this back to nature shtick in the mountains or someplace that tends toward cool.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 11:56 AM (A5zUN)
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Those kind of people are too stupid to understand that only in a society as rich as the US are they able to indulge in their fantasies.

Ship them over to the ME, or India, and they can find out just what it's like for that to be a way of life and not just an indulgence.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 18, 2020 12:03 PM (WEBkv)

155 What if the scientists aren't puzzling because they are liars or stupid
but because something that happened that *cannot be explained* by
science?

This is a really interesting point.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 12:03 PM (MQ0v4)

156 Gee, I wonder if a few people on the Hill could sponsor a bill saying "Any product sold in this country must be labeled as to where even the contents were made". You know, maybe even Aspirin.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 18, 2020 12:03 PM (C1Lsn)

157 Trump's administration celebrates an important victory over Beijing:
Kiev is ready to ban the sale of the engine building company Motor Sich
to China and yield it to the Americans. This is the result of strong
pressure from Washington on Vladimir Zelensky, including the freezing of
military aid. However, Ukraine's relations with its largest trading
partner, China, will be spoiled from now on.

Collusion! Impeach! IMPEEEAAACH!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:04 PM (NWiLs)

158 Ace better get well or im going to play badddd music.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 12:04 PM (wcUdU)

159 ...

Criminals set free. Law abiding locked up.

We are not a Cartel run country, but not for the lack of trying of some.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:04 PM (u82oZ)

160 Those kind of people are too stupid to understand that only in a society as rich as the US are they able to indulge in their fantasies.

Ship them over to the ME, or India, and they can find out just what it's like for that to be a way of life and not just an indulgence.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 18, 2020 12:03 PM (WEBkv)

This. The mountains are great- if it is just you. The cool areas are pretty nice in fact, but it is hard to produce enough food to maintain a society.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 12:05 PM (A5zUN)

161 Ah your a youngin...Remember Green Stamps redemption centers?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (85Gof)
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Mom used to save and redeem Blue Chip stamps.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 18, 2020 12:05 PM (WEBkv)

162 Paul ONeill, a former Treasury Secretary under President George W. Bush, has died age 84 after battling lung cancer, his family announced Saturday.

I guess another coronvirus stat ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:05 PM (85Gof)

163 >>Here is something : "The fact is that despite the huge resources invested in the development of its own aircraft industry, the Chinese failed to develop aircraft engines with a large overhaul capacity. " They were counting on getting old Soviet technology (which would be advanced to them, by pressuring the Ukrs.)

Did you happen to notice the part about Trump withholding military aid to Ukraine to force the deal?

I seem to remember Trump holding military aid from Ukraine last year. It was kind of a thing at the time.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:06 PM (ZLI7S)

164 We have 4 old military bases on the island, 5 if you count Dutch Island, and they have all been turned into parks. Great places to hike and walk the dog. And now all but one of them, one almost nobody but locals knows about, are closed.

It's getting tedious.
Posted by: JackStraw

I was stationed at Quonset Point, until it closed.

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2020 12:06 PM (arJlL)

165 Nevergiveup

Good Morning Sir.

I can feel the spring compressing in my fellow Americans.

I recommended a recruitment drive to the leadership of our local Conservative, Constitutional, 501(c) 3 group. We should organize. Because the Left is more organized, and can defeat us in detail.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:07 PM (u82oZ)

166 You can change the units to look at change, and see that drop was between 10 and 15% in GDP.

This was a YUGE drop in GDP, but no real recession as we think of it occured.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (f1Vqw)

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Where do you get this "no recession" stuff? It was a deep recession and cost the Democrats control of congress. Truman was dead man walking in 1948 and only managed to scrape in because Dewey was so complacent that the sleepwalked through the election.

High unemployment, massive housing shortages - it sucked. My grandfather volunteered to stay in the Army and was the last officer demobilized in his unit because his wife was pregnant (with my uncle) and he had no prospects for a job or any way to pay the hospital bill.

I suggest watching "The Best Years of Our Lives" to get a sense at how super-prosperous everyone was at the end of the war.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2020 12:07 PM (cfSRQ)

167 THEY'RE panicking as the pretext for their fascist bullshit is starting to slip away.

I expect more lashing out by these 'rats as they get cornered. They are writing their opponent's campaign commercials every day.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 12:07 PM (MQ0v4)

168 JackStraw

I spent some time at Newport. Three different schools. It was fun.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:07 PM (u82oZ)

169 One thing about Chinese, the have no concept of personal space the way
westerners do. Their idea of social distancing is about 6 inches not 6
feet.
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Huh, I wonder if that was something we should have thought of two months ago.

Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 12:08 PM (kOpft)

170 I was up in the mountains so didn't need it much there. The car had AC so we'd take a drive to cool off. I really need AC here in the flatlands. If I'm still here in the summer, I'll buy one of those small units. The maple tree keeps it cool but it's too hot to sleep well.

In the desert and deep south, pretty much a necessity.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2020 12:08 PM (Lqy/e)

171 >>I was stationed at Quonset Point, until it closed.

If I walk down to the end of my street I can see Quonset across the bay. You should see it now, the state has turned it into a huge shipping/manufacturing/office complex.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:09 PM (ZLI7S)

172 "I've lived with no electricity, haul your own water,
no refrigeration. No electricity makes things take 20-30% longer to do.
Cutting wood takes time. (Husband liked to use an ax on slash pile
leavings). I have some good skills and I like to get into arguments with
people telling me to cut back on using electricity. It's their turn.
I've done my time.

Posted by: Notsothoreau"

I spent 3 years in remote part of South America. Most people had electricity but very appliances, power tools, phones etc... You quickly learn that everything we take for granted becomes way more complicate. Incredible amount of time, like half the day, is spent n food prep and washing clothes. Try setting up a meeting when nobody has a phone or computer.

It was challenging and interesting but would no want to live like that willingly. People that think we should live more simply should try it for an extended period.

Posted by: Ripley at April 18, 2020 12:09 PM (MxEKc)

173 Did you happen to notice the part about Trump withholding military aid to Ukraine to force the deal?

I seem to remember Trump holding military aid from Ukraine last year. It was kind of a thing at the time.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:06 PM (ZLI7S)

Yes. The topic bandied about around em-peach ?

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:09 PM (zr5Kq)

174 Did you happen to notice the part about Trump withholding military aid to Ukraine to force the deal?

I seem to remember Trump holding military aid from Ukraine last year. It was kind of a thing at the time.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:06 PM (ZLI7S)

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Well, Schiff is totallly owned by China, so...

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2020 12:09 PM (cfSRQ)

175 Yep Florida

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8qks8r8

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 18, 2020 12:09 PM (sVQnU)

176 I recommended a recruitment drive to the leadership of our local Conservative, Constitutional, 501(c) 3 group. We should organize. Because the Left is more organized, and can defeat us in detail.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:07 PM (u82oZ)

Yup. Works for me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:09 PM (85Gof)

177 AHL

I didn't say "at the end of the war." I said "after the war."

It took awhile to start the baby boom-- 1947. Meantime, cars were on back order.

You didn't mention the GI Bill, btw.

Posted by: mnw at April 18, 2020 12:10 PM (Cssks)

178 If we had the full measure of American culture available to us, without the Left's artificial restrictions, regulations, importing scabs, etc., the prosperity and progress would be wondrous.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:10 PM (u82oZ)

179 175
Yep Florida

Did she freeze it first?

Posted by: pep at April 18, 2020 12:10 PM (T6t7i)

180 Anybody keeping tabs on quarantine deaths...is there a digital death counter on Tv? ...i dont watch tv so...

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 12:11 PM (wcUdU)

181 Remember a lot of unused s ampersand h green stamps in kitchen cabinet after they closed, maybe $100 worth representing $1,000 or more of purchases. Confederate money.

Posted by: banned bullion at April 18, 2020 12:11 PM (ufh+P)

182 >> Where do you get this "no recession" stuff?

Because it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the drop in GDP would've predicted. That GDP was basically govt. war production. Yes, it was bad for some people, but it wasn't nearly as severe as expected.

It was a mere bump in the road.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 12:11 PM (f1Vqw)

183 >>I spent some time at Newport. Three different schools. It was fun.

Yea, fun town. If we don't get plugged in pretty soon we are going to lose a lot of restaurants, bars, inns, etc.. The place should be gearing up for the season but it's like everywhere else right now, a ghost town.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:11 PM (ZLI7S)

184 Gang, I have a prayer request. I can't be too specific because of OpSec but a relative is probably in the process of dying right now. For those inclined, please pray for the family as they are watching their loved one slip away. Thank you.

And no, it's no COVID. This was not unforeseen.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:11 PM (NWiLs)

185 We should organize. Because the Left is more organized, and can defeat us in detail.

I don't know.

Maybe you're right and they are more organized.
But then maybe they are just instinctively better at political survival. They are the people that shove children aside in order to get to the life boat.
And murder their fellow survivors over the last of the rations.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 12:11 PM (MQ0v4)

186 I , personally, don't think it is a good idea to give Ukraine advanced military equipment. They may do stupid things with it. Like, I don't know, prolong that conflict in Eastern regions.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:11 PM (zr5Kq)

187 Remember well Green Stamps as a kid, certain stores had them and at least kept a loyal customer base.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 12:12 PM (ZCEU2)

188 They just serviced and activated the swamp coolers here, high desert so they work great except during monsoon storms, then not so much.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 18, 2020 12:12 PM (N8G3E)

189 175 Yep Florida

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8qks8r8
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 18, 2020 12:09 PM (sVQnU)

If it was Louisiana or West Virginia she would've eaten it after to dispose of the evidence.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:13 PM (NWiLs)

190 Some good news...

The 25-year-old NJ man who was airlifted to UPenn for Remdesivir therapy weeks ago has finally been released from the hospital. Walked out on his own. He had been in a coma and on a ventilator since March 13.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:13 PM (sGotD)

191 >>Well, Schiff is totallly owned by China, so...

Think about Biden. What were the two countries Obama gave him to focus on? China and Ukraine.

I bet some people lost a bunch of money when Trump stopped that deal.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:13 PM (ZLI7S)

192 I've seen some MAGA masks being advertised, not seen anyone wearing them though

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 12:13 PM (G546f)

193 I know some mail has been misplaced by the Post office in this crap that is going on....but Citibank actually "lost" an email I sent them with my Official Military Orders on them? How the fuck do they do that? Anyway i resent and got confirmation. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:13 PM (85Gof)

194 >>> 175 Yep Florida
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8qks8r8
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 18, 2020 12:09 PM

News report says South Carolina:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yb9j4nde

Posted by: banana Dream at April 18, 2020 12:13 PM (l6b3d)

195 The Salon people seem like asshoes.

My conservative kid in DC has a beautiful selection of houseplants/patio plants and volunteers/learns at the National Hort Garden ALL in the age of Trump.

What jackassery from those libs.

Posted by: CN at April 18, 2020 12:13 PM (ONvIw)

196 Remember well Green Stamps as a kid, certain stores had them and at least kept a loyal customer base.
Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 12:12 PM (ZCEU2)
~~~~~

We had Plaid Stamps from the A&P.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:14 PM (sGotD)

197 196 Remember well Green Stamps as a kid, certain stores had them and at least kept a loyal customer base.
Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 12:12 PM (ZCEU2)
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We had Plaid Stamps from the A&P.
Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:14 PM (sGotD)

I got a rock.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (NWiLs)

198 Seeing that train compartment reminds me of something.....what was it....oh yeah!

Anyone ever do the nasty in one while underway?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (Z+IKu)

199 Screen cap says Pinelas which is in Florida, so....

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (sVQnU)

200 Over on Faux News Leland Vittert just said 'expodentially'. Not a word. What a douche that guys is.

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (377Zs)

201 runner

Ukraine prolonging that conflict in Eastern regions is a strategic plus for the US. It adds to Imperial Overstretch of Russia, gives us a look at their EW and electronic OOB, and helps burns out corruption in Ukraine.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (u82oZ)

202 The 25-year-old NJ man who was airlifted to UPenn for Remdesivir therapy weeks ago has finally been released from the hospital. Walked out on his own. He had been in a coma and on a ventilator since March 13.
Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:13 PM (sGotD)

What was stopping the NJ hospital from using remdesivir. The Chinese have been producing and using it since they first tried it. The West is kneecapping themselves by adhering to the tyranny of methodology.

Posted by: CN at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (ONvIw)

203 Irish - Have you fixed your twitter issue yet?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (ZLI7S)

204 This is a really interesting point.

Posted by: at April 18, 2020 12:03 PM (MQ0v4)

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When a monster blizzard is predicted with 10 inches of snow, etc., people grumble about how the forecasters hype things, but other than the kids (and teachers) who want snow days, people are usually glad when Snowmageddon passes them by.

Similarly, when I hear a line of super-cell thunderstorms is on the way, I'm glad if the power doesn't go out and all we get is nature's fireworks display.

I don't want to get all mystical, but I know a lot of people who went all-in on prayer as this thing came upon us. I certainly took Lent a lot more seriously and when our bishop called for additional fasting days, I went along.

Can prayer lift a plague? Science says "no," but science also tells us the dead can't rise from tomb.

Just something to think about.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (cfSRQ)

205 My sister who works as a probation officer tried to explain to me the idea about releasing prisoners into the open during the virus outbreak and it has to do with prisoners contracting the virus in prison and suing the State--or their survivors suing the State should the prisoner die.

She thinks it's dumb and so do I, but then I realized so many of the restrictions and stupid things we have to endure during this crisis has it's basis in LEGAL LIABILITY and the fear of it among government ad business.

Schools are closed because if ONE kid gets corona and dies, they will be sued for millions.
Professional Sports are shut down because God forbid a sickly basketball fan contracts the virus and dies--the league and the owners of the venue will be sued.

The lawyers are going to have a field day anyway when this thing is finally over, but it's all bout fear of LEGAL LIABILITY, not SAVING LIVES.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (CqE5x)

206 Insom -
(shrugs, wipes dust from eyes)

Posted by: humbled banned at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (ufh+P)

207 Well, off I go.

Need to go buy 800 lbs of rock to finish a project.

In case anyone is interested, moving 2200 lbs of rock from point A to point B is work.

/the more you know

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (WEBkv)

208 I begin each day by taking a mental inventory of whatever horrors Trump has committed since I have been asleep,

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Looks like someone has been missing her Hysterical Drama Queens Anonymous meetings.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (XVuno)

209 The Service Merchandise Christmas catalog was like catnip for children. They had a store in Springfield, OH, next door to the Gold Circle, both of which are long gone now.

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (uM6CE)

210 Ukraine prolonging that conflict in Eastern regions is a strategic plus for the US. It adds to Imperial Overstretch of Russia, gives us a look at their EW and electronic OOB, and helps burns out corruption in Ukraine.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (u82oZ)

I don't see it that way, because prolonging civil war is never a plus. Lose lose for everyone involved. Especially dead people.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (zr5Kq)

211 Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (CqE5x)

I am in favor of releasing them also, Argentinian Style

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:17 PM (85Gof)

212 ..Ah your a youngin...Remember Green Stamps redemption centers?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:00 PM (85Gof)

My late Dad once owned a small T.V. repair shop, in Orlando, FL.

I have the S&H Green Stamps, two-sided, illuminated sign from that shop. Aluminum frame, about four inches wide, with the green, red, black & white plastic S&H logo on either side.

Hangs from a chain in my garage. Sign is about 18" tall, and maybe 12" wide.

Classic.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2020 12:17 PM (QzJWU)

213 Aren't gardening threads illegal?

I wonder how many states this will help in. Michigan is an obvious one to hope for, while California is hopeless. They'll vote Stalinist no matter what. And I fear Virginia is in that pile, too.

Oh, well. I smell bacon.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 18, 2020 12:18 PM (ZbwAu)

214 Wow! It's the WNBA VIRTUAL DRAT!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:19 PM (2uyoE)

215 runner

It is sad for the Ukrainians on both sides of the conflict. But the bigger danger is a stronger Russia. And we need a tempered and strong Ukraine to not be rolled by a summer offensive of Russia.

We are an aggressive species. No human culture has seen the last of conflict and war.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:20 PM (u82oZ)

216 >>And then we started praying.

And God *heard our prayers.*

Well, ther eis a first time for everything...

but, yeah - the Models were retarded.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2020 12:20 PM (wCt/A)

217 194 some ppl are just nuts about beer

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 12:20 PM (G546f)

218 It's an interesting thought, but there will be no return to not living
on credit. The real problem is the Dallas effect, which means it's easy
now for the average person to see how the wealthy live, and want summa
that for themselves, whether they've earned it or not. Thus, people's
spending outstrips their means. That won't stop.

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Yes, because debt bubbles never pop.

Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 12:20 PM (kOpft)

219 Ukraine prolonging that conflict in Eastern regions
is a strategic plus for the US. It adds to Imperial Overstretch of
Russia, gives us a look at their EW and electronic OOB, and helps burns
out corruption in Ukraine.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (u82oZ)

I don't see it that way, because prolonging civil war is never a
plus. Lose lose for everyone involved. Especially dead people.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (zr5Kq)

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The war is "frozen" because neither side can break the deadlock.

The initial Russian momemtum collapsed and the cumulative cost to gain ground is beyond Russia's ability to sustain.

Similarly, Ukraine lacks the capability to dig out the separatists, so the stalemate continues.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2020 12:21 PM (cfSRQ)

220 ..And no, it's no COVID. This was not unforeseen.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:11 PM (NWiLs)

Prayers up, brother.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2020 12:21 PM (QzJWU)

221 Welp, I'm gonna go seize the day.

The cool damp, rainy day.

And enjoy the last day of maskless living.

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2020 12:21 PM (arJlL)

222 Need to go buy 800 lbs of rock to finish a project.

In case anyone is interested, moving 2200 lbs of rock from point A to point B is work.

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I'd like to see a calculation of ergs needed for that project. You may assume that each rock is perfectly spherical. And show your work.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:21 PM (XVuno)

223 >>> 196 Remember well Green Stamps as a kid, certain stores had them and at least kept a loyal customer base.
Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 12:12 PM (ZCEU2)

Ok, anyone from KS, Sedgwick CO area remember plastic chips to Joyland in their potato chip bags?

Posted by: banana Dream at April 18, 2020 12:21 PM (l6b3d)

224 209 The Service Merchandise Christmas catalog was like catnip for children. They had a store in Springfield, OH, next door to the Gold Circle, both of which are long gone now.
Posted by: Chunk Hunger at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (uM6CE)

I loved that book, and we always used the computer in store to get what we wanted, because the Future.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (dKiJG)

225 I'm starting to really loathe George W. Bush. This "man of Deep Faith" who never stood up for himself or his SUPPORTERS or their beliefs, let the media run roughshod over him and said NOTHING bad about Obama while he was in office--and blaming him for EVERYTHING---has he spoken up? Has he offered any words of encouragement or help or advice to President Trump during this unprecedented time?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (CqE5x)

226 Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:11 PM (NWiLs)

Prayers up, brother.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2020 12:21 PM (QzJWU)

Thanks, Jim.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (NWiLs)

227 "It's an interesting thought, but there will be no return to not living on credit." pep

At some point, the printing of infinite money may fail. Either a currency problem, or inflation sets in, or interest rates jump up. Easy Money is now "zero-bound", after 35 years of lower fed fund rates. The new thing is ZIRP plus QE to infinity, or MMT (magic money tree). Does that really work?

Well we have been doing it ... to some degree ... something could break, one way or another. The bailouts or the richest, and the economy revolving around banking and lending infinite "money" ... I think maybe it could end. To get their I think a lot of personal debt has to be forgiven down to what people can pay, without only making interest payments.

I mostly see Paul Craig Roberts as goofy, but I think he may be on the right track on this ... he suggests right down personal debts to where people can pay ... better than bailing out the top so they can try to squeeze more debt out of the overburdened proles. (my paraphrase) Private debt overhang could lead to a greater depression, triggered by virus close downs. (he also says nationalize the banks or any that get the fed bailouts, explains how to get them back into private hands after "fixed")

https://tinyurl.com/ycxv2vpo

Posted by: illiniwek at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (Cus5s)

228 >>Need to go buy 800 lbs of rock to finish a project.

>In case anyone is interested, moving 2200 lbs of rock from point A to point B is work.

Gramps was a stone mason. I have moved more rock (and Block) than you could ever imagine.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (wCt/A)

229 Has he offered any words of encouragement or help or advice to President Trump during this unprecedented time?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (CqE5x)

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Bushies despise Trump.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:23 PM (XVuno)

230 Oh, well. I smell bacon.
Posted by: Eeyore

That's my bacon

So in Fauda - I thought the main character us Israeli? Why is hus brother and nephew on the run then?

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 12:23 PM (G546f)

231 Gramps was a stone mason. I have moved more rock (and Block) than you could ever imagine.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (wCt/A)

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Piker.

Posted by: Khufu at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (XVuno)

232 200
Over on Faux News Leland Vittert just said 'expodentially'. Not a word. What a douche that guys is.

Maybe he has a cold.

Posted by: pep at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (T6t7i)

233 Counselor! Counselor!

Come out, come out wherever you are!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (Ept+j)

234 I'm starting to really loathe George W. Bush. This "man of Deep Faith" who never stood up for himself or his SUPPORTERS or their beliefs, let the media run roughshod over him and said NOTHING bad about Obama while he was in office--and blaming him for EVERYTHING---has he spoken up? Has he offered any words of encouragement or help or advice to President Trump during this unprecedented time?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (CqE5x)

Nope and his foundation is urging more globalization, not less...I am also starting to hate that fuck and his whole fuckin family

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (85Gof)

235
Looks like someone has been missing her Hysterical Drama Queens Anonymous meetings.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (XVuno)

+++++++Problem is they refuse to remain anonymous.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (QzF6i)

236 Eeyore good point, should be a warning for Michiganders not to go near the Garden Thread under penalty.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (ZCEU2)

237 Prayers are up Insom.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (uEbPt)

238 229 Has he offered any words of encouragement or help or advice to President Trump during this unprecedented time?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (CqE5x)

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Bushies despise Trump.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:23 PM (XVuno)

I've grown to despise the Bushes. I was never real keen on HW, but W really disappointed the hell out of me, then it just got worse. Fuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (NWiLs)

239 Now playing...Boy Named Sue...by Cash.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (wcUdU)

240 What was stopping the NJ hospital from using remdesivir. The Chinese have been producing and using it since they first tried it. The West is kneecapping themselves by adhering to the tyranny of methodology.

for some bizarre reason NJ is unable to find the treatments, they are not allowing docs to prescribe HCQ and they are sending their patients to us in PA for in-patient treatments like HCQ and the new ones.

I think it's because NJ is utterly incompetent, has no actual governance, and is a basket case. this virus just has shown that to the world.

Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:25 PM (j9HX3)

241 >>> 199 Screen cap says Pinelas which is in Florida, so....
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM

It was probably just their weird news of the day segment on a local station that they get from some national or foreign syndicated source. A lot of local news seems to come from syndication these days.

Posted by: banana Dream at April 18, 2020 12:26 PM (l6b3d)

242 Nope and his foundation is urging more globalization, not less...I am also starting to hate that fuck and his whole fuckin family
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (85Gof)

W is a cuck and a phony and his supposed fweindship with Moochelle is vomit-inducing.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:26 PM (CqE5x)

243 >>> Irish - Have you fixed your twitter issue yet?
~~~~~

No. They haven't even told me why I've been knocked off (but I kinda know.)

I have figured out that I can access long threads that have been unrolled on ThreadReaderApp with just the Twitter URL which I can see on TinyURL links. But it only works on unrolled threads.

What also stinks--I can't even view pictures or videos that are embedded here if the original came from Twitter.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:26 PM (sGotD)

244 It is sad for the Ukrainians on both sides of the conflict. But the bigger danger is a stronger Russia. And we need a tempered and strong Ukraine to not be rolled by a summer offensive of Russia.

We are an aggressive species. No human culture has seen the last of conflict and war.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:20 PM (u82oZ)

Sorry NaCly, but those who think like that are operating under the old paradigm. Russia is not USSR. Not even close. Need to be watched and tampered, but now it ismore concerned with keepig its borders intact - from China, ME neighbors, not fighting in every corner for the glorious revolution. Old paradigm - looking out, new paradigm - keeping what they have. And FYI, Crimea is Russia as far as I am concerned. Always was.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:26 PM (zr5Kq)

245 I still have a card table that my parents got with Green Stamps in the early 1960s. Much better product than any modern equivalent.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at April 18, 2020 12:27 PM (fTtFy)

246 prayers for your family, Insomn

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 12:27 PM (G546f)

247 Has he offered any words of encouragement or help or advice to President Trump during this unprecedented time?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (CqE5x)

Ummmmmmmm.....No.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2020 12:27 PM (Z+IKu)

248 *Crimea is Russian

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:27 PM (zr5Kq)

249 Gosh, I miss Uncle Palp. He knew what was what.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:28 PM (zr5Kq)

250 Bushies despise Trump.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:23 PM (XVuno)

I've grown to despise the Bushes. I was never real keen on HW, but W really disappointed the hell out of me, then it just got worse. Fuckers.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:24 PM (NWiLs)

Trump said W was at fault for 9/11. It almost made me not vote for him and it still sticks in my craw.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 12:29 PM (2DOZq)

251 hey guys

so has anyone noted Stetlers amazing spaz out on tweeter last night??

Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:29 PM (j9HX3)

252 I think it's because NJ is utterly incompetent, has no actual governance, and is a basket case.

.....

Nah.

They just actually don't care if someone dies.

We forget there are doctors that will chop your wiener off and call you Susie, give you a 90 day supply of OxyContin for a toothache and prescribe little children hormone blockers.

Doctors have their own political agendas and monetary goals, never forget it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 18, 2020 12:29 PM (Ept+j)

253 *anticipates flamewar

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:29 PM (zr5Kq)

254 "The Cops" isn't really a thing. They are all individuals. Sadly, law enforcement is a magnet for people who like exerting power over people, but they aren't all like that. Too many, but not all.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at April 18, 2020 11:39 AM

Thank you for saying this. I sometimes feel like this place is infested with Black Lives Matter people with all the irrational hatred of law enforcement.

My brother is a Chicago police officer and a good man. My former manager is a local Sheriff and also a good man.

There are plenty of good men and women who are in law enforcement. Broad brush smearing of them is unfair, whether it's coming from Colin Kaepernick or commenters on a blog.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 18, 2020 12:29 PM (Do5/p)

255
I think it's because NJ is utterly incompetent, has no actual governance, and is a basket case. this virus just has shown that to the world.
Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:25 PM (j9HX3)

Because Phil Murphy is a clueless fraud with dictatorial impulses who is aided by having the entire USAToday-owned media in the state cheering him on and because NJ is filled with ghetto rats who are the ones spreading this shit into nursing homes ( where they work, but "Shhhhh!) and it's also loaded with Suburban Karens who act as an informal Gestapo making sure everyone stays in line.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:30 PM (CqE5x)

256

The first picture looks like a scene outside of Home Depot. They are now making you wait in a roped off line to get in so too many people aren't in the store at the same time. They change the name to Studio 54

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 12:30 PM (2rIKM)

257
I think it's because NJ is utterly incompetent, has no actual governance, and is a basket case. this virus just has shown that to the world.
Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:25 PM (j9HX3)

NJ does "allow" plaquenil for known cases, the restrictions were to prevent people from handing out scripts to the unaffected friends "just in case". I know the RWJ system and Hackensack Meridian are using it. Remdesivir is a mystery. That was IDd and written off as "anectotal" when Washington State was having its first cases. The Chinese ran with it, the US bureaucracy hid it under a pile of academic horseshit.

Posted by: CN at April 18, 2020 12:30 PM (ONvIw)

258 Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:26 PM (sGotD)

are you sure it's not just your browser screwing around?

try one of these:

1.delete all your Twitter cookies and data
2. Try opening a private browsing window to get ibto Twitter

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 12:31 PM (G546f)

259 On September 11, 1990, (yes really, 9/11) George H W Bush coined a new phrase in a speech to a joint session of Congress. The phrase was "a new world order".

The speech was made because of Saddam Hussein's aggression in Kuwait. And it's a big reason we are where we are today.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:31 PM (ZLI7S)

260

Scenes from the front lines. Toilet paper is in stock but home haircut/grooming kits are gone. I'm going to look like Cousin It before this is over

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 12:32 PM (2rIKM)

261 runner

I respect your thought process. Russia is much weaker that the USSR.

Crimea was the second "Change Borders" event for Russia after the Cold War ended. But lines on a map do not equal national identity and culture.

We know globalism will fail, and default to nationalism and tribalism. The rate matters.
If Russia had a baby boom, it would protect them. Alas.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:32 PM (u82oZ)

262 >>Thank you for saying this. I sometimes feel like this place is infested with Black Lives Matter people with all the irrational hatred of law enforcement

Nothing irrational about it. They are people and the najority of people are self serving.

Your family and friends are exceptions, as are a ton more, but that doesn't change anything.

Law Enforcement is the fist of the Government.
Never trust the Government to care about you or your rights.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2020 12:32 PM (wCt/A)

263 Could not stand HW Bush. He squandered almost if not every gain made by Reagan.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:33 PM (zr5Kq)

264 115 This is fascinating. Look at the geo-political games Trump is playing behind the scenes to hurt China.

https://tinyurl.com/y73lgv78

Starve a cold
Starve a Chinese fever

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 12:33 PM (pr9ci)

265
Trump said W was at fault for 9/11. It almost made me not vote for him and it still sticks in my craw.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 12:29 PM (2DOZq)

I see your point and at the time I didn't like what Trump said--although nothing would have stopped me from voting against Hillary--but with hindsight, maybe Trump already knew that the Bush's had it in for him and were doing everything they could to thwart him.
He already knew they were phonies and I understand why he was punching below the belt.

But Trump--unlike Bush--stands up for his supporters and for himself. So I allow his personal idiosyncrasies....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (CqE5x)

266 >>No. They haven't even told me why I've been knocked off (but I kinda know.)

It sounds more like a browser issue. Someone here is smart enough to help you.

You would be interested in reading Undercover Huber these days.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (ZLI7S)

267 196 Remember well Green Stamps as a kid, certain stores had them and at least kept a loyal customer base.�
Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 12:12 PM (ZCEU2)�
~~~~~�

We had Plaid Stamps from the A&P.�
Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:14 PM (sGotD)�

I got a rock.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (NWiLs)

*******

Lucky...

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (flINI)

268 Sorry NaCly, but those who think like that are operating under the old
paradigm. Russia is not USSR. Not even close. Need to be watched and
tampered, but now it ismore concerned with keepig its borders intact -
from China, ME neighbors, not fighting in every corner for the glorious
revolution. Old paradigm - looking out, new paradigm - keeping what
they have. And FYI, Crimea is Russia as far as I am concerned. Always
was.
---
Ukraine seems to disagree with you.

Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (kOpft)

269 >>> are you sure it's not just your browser screwing around?
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 12:31 PM (G546f)
~~~~~

No, I'm banned. They told me I was, they just haven't told me why.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (sGotD)

270 We forget there are doctors that will chop your wiener off and call you Susie, give you a 90 day supply of OxyContin for a toothache and prescribe little children hormone blockers.

SPEAKING OF!

Richard Levine, our embarrassing Public Health Dictator here in PA, is a tranny who I HOPE never practiced as an MD, but guess what his specialty was?

PEDIATRICS

of course it was

EW

Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:35 PM (j9HX3)

271 Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:46 AM (NWiLs)

Insom, did you get a new job???

Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 12:35 PM (9hauA)

272 It's not just the Leftists that ignore history and context.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 12:35 PM (2DOZq)

273 The cops here haven't shot and killed any unarmed homeless people during the shut down, not sure about dog's though.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 18, 2020 12:35 PM (N8G3E)

274 Sounds like IKEA.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie
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Except, Service Merchandise didn't sell horse meat meatballs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2020 12:35 PM (X22L5)

275 Have the local news on.
Ugh.
My head hurts

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (2uyoE)

276 Need to go buy 800 lbs of rock to finish a project.

>In case anyone is interested, moving 2200 lbs of rock from point A to point B is work.

Gramps was a stone mason. I have moved more rock (and Block) than you could ever imagine.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2020 12:22 PM (wCt/A)

I once moved three full-sized long beds brimming with wall boulders in one weekend, because they were free. Hoo boy. My back hurts just thinking about it.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (KnJdm)

277 Government exerts too much responsibility/ pressure on cops doctors and more im sure.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (wcUdU)

278 could use a beerman, you know, like the old milkmen did when I was a kid. Show up early,take the empties and leave a fresh supply on the front porch.
============================

While visiting my hometown's sister city in Germany many years ago they had a beerman deliver the local beer to the front door. This was a small village but still beer delivered.

Still use the bottle opener the delivery guy gave. It opens the bottle then you can slide it over the opening sealing it so the beer doesn't go flat.

Posted by: Beartooth at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (JY8Ei)

279 You would be interested in reading Undercover Huber these days.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (ZLI7S)
~~~~~

Yes. I was able to read a couple of things you linked yesterday.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (sGotD)

280 Aetius linked a vid recently of Reagan's (1976 ??) appearance on Carson's show. Was reminded how unique he was, how intelligent.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (zr5Kq)

281
Well, hell. This is the first time a pathogen escaped from Chicom labs. The 1977 flu was due to a Chicom lab incident.

Idiots were trying to work on a vaccine against swine flue and used frozen samples of a 1950s flu. They let it get out.

At the time, Western govt, including the US, kept that quiet because they didn't want to antagonize the Chicoms during the Cold War agin' Russia.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (f1Vqw)

282
A horrifying story that will be repeated many times this Fall:

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-

assets/2020/04/92355126_3189986381020404_41961

33965305741312_n.jpg?w=854&ssl=1

(remove extra spaces)

Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (z0XD8)

283 It's not just the Leftists that ignore history and context.
Posted by: Kilroy
----

Comfort and security tend to breed complacency.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (X22L5)

284 So at Walmart, they now have signs -- on the floor -- saying which way
to go down the aisles. And, before I noticed these signs, I had "Kyle"
telling me I was going the wrong way.

Jewel grocery stores are doing the same thing. Funny thing is I've only seen Jewel employees not following the silly arrows

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 12:37 PM (2rIKM)

285 Ukraine seems to disagree with you.

yeah I don't want to get into this but I know a lot of Ukes and they do NOT agree with that statement about Crimea

they may have bigger problems on their minds (living in the western part) but still, no, Russia seized that. Russia also sent Russians en masse into Ukraine to colonize it and forcibly moved out ethnic Ukrainians

I'm not on board with ignoring all of that just to "keep peace" with Russian still-extant dreams of empire (and retaking Ukraine).

Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:37 PM (j9HX3)

286 I got a rock.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (NWiLs)

*******

Lucky...

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (flINI)

---
LUXURY!

We couldn't afford a rock - the most we could afford was a pebble.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2020 12:37 PM (cfSRQ)

287 SPEAKING OF!

Richard Levine, our embarrassing Public Health Dictator here in PA, is a tranny who I HOPE never practiced as an MD, but guess what his specialty was?

PEDIATRICS

of course it was

EW
Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:35 PM (j9HX3)

Oh yeah, our celebrated health czar who looks like a clean shaven but rough looking heavy dude with long hair for some reason, LOL.

Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 12:37 PM (9hauA)

288 Greetings:

Luckily, I had parents who taught me (mostly through repetition) the fundamentals: good food, proper rest, fresh air, and exercise. That sunlight hasn't yet been recognized media-wise as a positive strikes me as a "too tight" a narrative effect. Free vitamin D for all.

I also haven't seen any recognition that this would be a good time to eat more vegetables.

Posted by: 11B40 at April 18, 2020 12:37 PM (evgyj)

289 Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (z0XD

---

Or use tinyurl.

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 12:38 PM (RU4sa)

290 271 Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 11:46 AM (NWiLs)

Insom, did you get a new job???
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 12:35 PM (9hauA)

I did! Started this week. Going to take a little bit to get back in the groove, but I think I'm off to a good start.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:38 PM (NWiLs)

291 >>Yes. I was able to read a couple of things you linked yesterday.

He's obviously ex-DOJ. He's doing a great job pulling the remaining few redacted pieces of the Horowitz footnotes to the surface.

As Solomon said last night, it's even worse than he thought.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)

292 Ukraine seems to disagree with you.
Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (kOpft)

I am sad.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:38 PM (zr5Kq)

293 Thank you for saying this. I sometimes feel like this place is infested with Black Lives Matter people with all the irrational hatred of law enforcement.

My brother is a Chicago police officer and a good man. My former manager is a local Sheriff and also a good man.

There are plenty of good men and women who are in law enforcement. Broad brush smearing of them is unfair, whether it's coming from Colin Kaepernick or commenters on a blog.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 18, 2020 12:29 PM (Do5/p)

I agree, but I think a lot has to do with the particular area. In other words, there are some jurisdictions that seem to attract the power mad and others where the cops are more grounded. Believe it or not, I think the NYPD is one of the more professional police organizations around, while across the Hudson, the Bergen County Sheriffs are the worst.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:38 PM (CqE5x)

294 275 Have the local news on.
Ugh.
My head hurts
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (2uyoE)

The solution is elegant in its simplicity: turn it off.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:39 PM (NWiLs)

295 New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio posted a video to Twitter Saturday encouraging residents to take photos of and report other people for violating social distancing guidelines.

Commies got to commie and de Commio wants to go full Stasi

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 12:39 PM (2rIKM)

296 Trump said W was at fault for 9/11. It almost made me not vote for him and it still sticks in my craw.

Which is odd since it is 9/11 and the following few days that W shined. He was the right man for the right moment but only then though. Otherwise he was a profound disappointment. We did escape a Gore presidency so there is that too.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 18, 2020 12:39 PM (MVR7y)

297 George H W Bush coined a new phrase in a speech to a joint session of Congress. The phrase was "a new world order".

Ahem. What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Sir Winston Churchill at April 18, 2020 12:39 PM (BcTij)

298 Richard Levine, our embarrassing Public Health Dictator here in PA, is a tranny who I HOPE never practiced as an MD, but guess what his specialty was?
PEDIATRICS
of course it was
EW
Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:35 PM (j9HX3)
~~~~~

Muldoon told us he went to med school with him. Said he was not a stellar student and was homely as a guy too. LOL

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:39 PM (sGotD)

299 Comfort and security tend to breed complacency.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (X22L5)

That is very true and sums up why democracies are relatively temporary.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 12:40 PM (2DOZq)

300 You would be interested in reading Undercover Huber these days.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (ZLI7S)

---
I'm increasingly bored with the endless teases. I'll pay attention again when charges are filed. Until then, meh.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2020 12:40 PM (cfSRQ)

301 flounder but moving 2200 pounds of foam rubber would be easier right?

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 12:40 PM (ZCEU2)

302 Scenes from the front lines. Toilet paper is in
stock but home haircut/grooming kits are gone. I'm going to look like
Cousin It before this is over

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 12:32 PM

---

The gun shelves at Academy Sports were nearly empty this morning, never seen anything like it before.

They still had some Glocks, the guy said they were getting shipments of them in almost every day.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 18, 2020 12:40 PM (JUOKG)

303 Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (z0XD

---

Or use tinyurl.
Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 12:38 PM (RU4sa)

Nope.

I refuse. I'm standing up for freedom like all true Americans.

You mask-wearing, glove-loving, tinyurl user you!

FREEDOM!!!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2020 12:40 PM (z0XD8)

304 Oh yeah, our celebrated health czar who looks like a clean shaven but rough looking heavy dude with long hair for some reason, LOL.
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 12:37 PM (9hauA)

--------

Yep. Nothing says sober and judicious medical judgment more than an ugly guy smeared with lipstick and make-up pretending to be a woman.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:40 PM (XVuno)

305
Re that '77 flu. It only infected those under 20. Anyone older had immunity to it. I was just reading that modern techniques have proven that '77 virus had not mutated a whit since the '50s. That proves it was kept in a lab, and then released.

It was the Chicoms. And again, the US didn't make a big deal because of Cold War concerns.

And the top flight labs in the Western world have also had a few oopsies with pathogens over the years. I'm concluding this is not something to be playing with.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 12:40 PM (f1Vqw)

306 Muldoon told us he went to med school with him. Said he was not a stellar student and was homely as a guy too. LOL

did he?!?! wow yeah Dick went to Tulane

if he wasn't a stellar med student at TULANE...

welp

I don't think he ever practiced (thank God) and went straight into "public policy"

he did write some thesis on gender dysphoria - natch

yes he is fugly

Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:41 PM (j9HX3)

307 >In case anyone is interested, moving 2200 lbs of rock from point A to point B is work.
--------

For better or worse, at least you can pick it up. I moved a yard of pea gravel one 5 gallon bucket at a time, and the stuff had to be shoveled into the bucket.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2020 12:41 PM (X22L5)

308 263 Could not stand HW Bush. He squandered almost if not every gain made by Reagan.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:33 PM (zr5Kq)

He tried, he tried.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 12:41 PM (pr9ci)

309 *eyeroll*

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 12:41 PM (RU4sa)

310 Yep. Nothing says sober and judicious medical judgment more than an ugly guy smeared with lipstick and make-up pretending to be a woman.

it's painful, really.

he also dabbled in psychology

of course he did

Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:42 PM (j9HX3)

311 >>I'm increasingly bored with the endless teases. I'll pay attention again when charges are filed. Until then, meh.

To each his own. A lot of you like to read books, I like to follow real spy thrillers unfold in front of me.

And John Solomon said last night that his sources, which are usually right, said a handful of indictments are happening soon.

You didn't think Durham called a grand jury just to issue subpoenas did you?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:42 PM (ZLI7S)

312 The gun shelves at Academy Sports were nearly empty this morning, never seen anything like it before.

----------

One of my clients is a firearms accessory designer and manufacturer. His business thrived during Obama but was slack once Trump took office. He's going full tilt now, barely able to fill all of his orders.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:43 PM (XVuno)

313 I agree, but I think a lot has to do with the particular area. In other words, there are some jurisdictions that seem to attract the power mad

SI SE PUEDE GRINGOS!!

Posted by: MS13 infiltrating LAPD at April 18, 2020 12:43 PM (BcTij)

314 Have the local news on.
Ugh.
My head hurts
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:36 PM (2uyoE)

The solution is elegant in its simplicity: turn it off.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:39 PM (NWiLs)

have not watched the "news", local or otherwise. in MONTHS.
i have caught Trump's daily briefings when i can and I'm amazed at his leadership, his stamina and his knowledge. And his marshalling the resources of industry.
Obama or Bush would have been one and done and then put their minions in charge.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:44 PM (CqE5x)

315 Here's a crazy thought that will probably get me some hate, but here goes...

What if the models were actually correct?

What
if the "best case" even with social distancing and shut down orders
really was 2.5 million American dead, clogged hospitals, and mass
graves?

And then we started praying.

And God *heard our prayers.*

What
if the scientists aren't puzzling because they are liars or stupid but
because something that happened that *cannot be explained* by science?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2020 11:57 AM (cfSRQ)

Not crazy at all. I've been saying several rosaries every week. God is listening.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at April 18, 2020 12:44 PM (j42ZK)

316 oof not to dis Tulane! its not known for med school! it's great for other majors

kermit gosnell was bottom of his class at a not-very-good med school ... it is somewhat indicative

certainly it is often indicative of people who will not actually practice, or not for long (thank the lord)

gosnell being the exception. he really ought to have failed med school but that couldn't happen

Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:44 PM (j9HX3)

317 got a rock.�

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (NWiLs)�

*******�

Lucky...�

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 18, 2020 12:34 PM (flINI)

---
LUXURY!

We couldn't afford a rock - the most we could afford was a pebble.

Posted by:�Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd�at April 18, 2020 12:37 PM (cfSRQ)

********

We got nothing!... and we LIKED it!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 18, 2020 12:44 PM (flINI)

318 >>> And John Solomon said last night that his sources, which are usually right, said a handful of indictments are happening soon.
~~~~~

Where was that?

I watched Bongino's podcast with Solomon. It was excellent.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 12:45 PM (sGotD)

319 Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:37 PM (j9HX3)

The historical deserved hatred that Ukraine has for Russia has caused them not to make the best decisions in their interest. Their internal corruption doesn't help either.

One of the main triggers Russia used for seizing the Crimea was the unnecessary ban by Ukraine of the Russian language.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 12:45 PM (2DOZq)

320 {{{......SMH......}}}

I hope you and ex-ex are thriving. And ex-ex is protected from Covid-19 Wuhan.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:45 PM (u82oZ)

321 >>I watched Bongino's podcast with Solomon. It was excellent.

Lou Dobbs. I'll see if I can find it.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:46 PM (ZLI7S)

322 God is listening.

---

He's listening all right.

The cries of murdered babies fills his ears.

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 12:46 PM (RU4sa)

323 hey guys

so has anyone noted Stetlers amazing spaz out on tweeter last night??
Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:29 PM (j9HX3)

Is it the tweet where he bravely announced that he finally let his month-long pent up tears for those suffering due to the pandemic roll down his ample face as he couldn't take the grief anymore. Or something.

Some of the replies were: grow a pair, real men don't cry, look into treatment for excessive estrogen (that one was from a chick). Twas a fun thread.

Of course some rubes were taking in by his Twitter display.

So it's not just Don Le-mon that fake cries. But at least he can do it on demand. Stelter can't and has to wait till he's off on the weekend to shed his "tears".

Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 12:46 PM (9hauA)

324 Strategically, Trump had to go against Bush. The Democrats were going to run against Bush for the next 4 presidential elections in a row. They had already done it successfully twice. Aligning with Bush was electoral death.

It didn't hurt in the least that Bush was clearly part of the cabal trying to screw Trump to let Heb be their sacrificial lamb against the queen and her CORONAtion.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2020 12:46 PM (uEbPt)

325
I was just reading. There have been many accidental releases of pathogens from bio labs over the years.

Chicoms have let SARS escape a total of 4 times. It didn't get out of hand. Brits let smallpox escape a couple of times.

The track record of bio security is not too good. PLaying with fire, they are.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 12:47 PM (f1Vqw)

326 We got nothing!... and we LIKED it!
Posted by: Truck Monkey
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Pfft. All we got was hand-me-down nothing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2020 12:47 PM (WZ5i4)

327 Kilroy wasn't here

Roll Russia and the old Ukraine down a hill in a refrigerator box and a SOB will be on top.

I hope Ukraine's new President gets a handle on corruption.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:47 PM (u82oZ)

328 Hey Salty.

We're okay.

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 12:47 PM (RU4sa)

329 I got a rock.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 18, 2020 12:15 PM (NWiLs)

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A guy with his own rock. My, how one percent of you.

I had to wait for the neighbor kids to go to bed so I could sneak into their yard to play with their rock.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:47 PM (XVuno)

330 Could not stand HW Bush. He squandered almost if not every gain made by Reagan.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:33 PM (zr5Kq)

He tried, he tried.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 12:41 PM (pr9ci)

I didn't hate HW--he was a man from a different time, a WW2 veteran who was a establishment type from the get go. It was the only world he knew and he knew how to play that game. it was the Cold War after all.

But his son was a --and I know i'm now using the language of the Left during 2000-2008, but fuck it--a useless fratboy who didn't do dick.
Yes he shined in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, but in the following days he'd fuck that up too.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:48 PM (CqE5x)

331 publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear
The track record of bio security is not too good.

Gulp. NBAF, a P4 facility, goes online south of me in 2021.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:48 PM (u82oZ)

332
Pfft. All we got was hand-me-down nothing.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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I've got plenty of nothing, but then, so do most people in my position.

Posted by: Richard Farina at April 18, 2020 12:48 PM (WZ5i4)

333 Strategically, Trump had to go against Bush. The Democrats were going to run against Bush for the next 4 presidential elections in a row. They had already done it successfully twice. Aligning with Bush was electoral death.

It didn't hurt in the least that Bush was clearly part of the cabal trying to screw Trump to let Heb be their sacrificial lamb against the queen and her CORONAtion.
Posted by: ... at April 18, 2020 12:46 PM (uEbPt)

You said better what i was trying to say.
Nicely put.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:49 PM (CqE5x)

334 Cicero (@cicero)

The Four Yorkshireman have nothing on you.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:49 PM (u82oZ)

335 I don't think he ever practiced (thank God) and went straight into "public policy"

he did write some thesis on gender dysphoria - natch

yes he is fugly
Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:41 PM (j9HX3)

Sounds like excellent qualifications for the position.

Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 12:50 PM (9hauA)

336 I just have the news on for the background noise. I'm not accustomed to being alone. It's spooky. And depressing.

Help?

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:50 PM (F9mYO)

337 I've got plenty of nothing, but then, so do most people in my position.
Posted by: Richard Farina
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Hell, we had a hugely successful TV show about it.

Posted by: Seinfeld at April 18, 2020 12:50 PM (WZ5i4)

338 Irish-

This is a twitter link to the video. Hope you can see it.

https://tinyurl.com/y7ay4o78

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 12:51 PM (ZLI7S)

339
The GOPe needs to bury Nanzi Pelosi with ads showing her in front of her $24,000 freezers eating from her artisanal ice cream horde while she kept the House from releasing further small business loans' funds. Bury her and the Dims!

Will they? Color me skeptical.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 12:51 PM (pNxlR)

340 I was just reading. There have been many accidental releases of pathogens from bio labs over the years.

Chicoms have let SARS escape a total of 4 times. It didn't get out of hand. Brits let smallpox escape a couple of times.

The track record of bio security is not too good. PLaying with fire, they are.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 18, 2020 12:47 PM

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And I read some time back about an experiment to "bring back to life" some dead/dormant virus they found in a bog under melted permafrost in Russia. Something that supposedly has been extinct for over 50,000 years.

Yep, someone thought that would be a good idea.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 18, 2020 12:53 PM (JUOKG)

341 The Four Yorkshireman have nothing on you.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 18, 2020 12:49 PM (u82oZ)

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Heh. That was a funny bit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 18, 2020 12:53 PM (XVuno)

342 he war is "frozen" because neither side can break the deadlock.

The initial Russian momemtum collapsed and the cumulative cost to gain ground is beyond Russia's ability to sustain.

Similarly, Ukraine lacks the capability to dig out the separatists, so the stalemate continues.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2020 12:21 PM (cfSRQ)

Something like that. I am not sure Russian intent extended beyond securing Crimea. They always said they will fight for it tooth and nail. As far as current conflict, there is an agreement in place brokered by third parties holding things together and a new president who is not opposed to federalism.

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 12:53 PM (zr5Kq)

343 yes he is fugly
Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:41 PM (j9HX3)

Sounds like excellent qualifications for the position.
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 12:50 PM (9hauA)

I just bingled this Levine fella.

I regret doing so.

What the hell is wrong with this country?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Processing Survey Topos Pantsless Since Mid-March at April 18, 2020 12:53 PM (x8Wzq)

344
shit

"... artisanal ice cream hoard ..."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 12:53 PM (pNxlR)

345 Awww...

Comic-Con Officially Canceled Due to Coronavirus Pandemic

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 12:53 PM (RU4sa)

346 I just have the news on for the background noise. I'm not accustomed to being alone. It's spooky. And depressing.

Help?
Posted by: Nurse ratched
----

I could probably arrange to ship you Mike Hammer's Cat. He's just full of surprises that would take your mind off things.

[crash!]

Now what...?!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2020 12:54 PM (GBHAb)

347 The GOPe needs to bury Nanzi Pelosi with ads showing her in front of her $24,000 freezers eating from her artisanal ice cream horde while she kept the House from releasing further small business loans' funds. Bury her and the Dims!

Will they? Color me skeptical.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 12:51 PM (pNxlR)

Twitter is a a gold mine for this. There are countless tweets mocking her.

I expect Trump's folks to do something soon. Somebody just needs to show one to Trump and he will retweet it, LOL.

Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 12:54 PM (9hauA)

348 shit

"... artisanal ice cream hoard ..."
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 12:53 PM (pNxlR)

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I'll allow it.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Comment Propriety Review Referee at April 18, 2020 12:55 PM (XVuno)

349 336
I just have the news on for the background noise. I'm not accustomed to being alone. It's spooky. And depressing.

Help?

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:50 PM (F9mYO)

++++++Like you, I'm on my own. I used to listen to talk radio but then could just not take the constant negative loud voices. I switched to Sports radio. Try it. It is easy to not be invested in what is being said and although they sometimes talk about the plague, it is mostly in relation to sports so again, easy to just let it be background noise. When I get tired of that, I listen to country music which is very up. I sing along with the music and sometimes dance around my kitchen.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2020 12:55 PM (QzF6i)

350 Chicoms have let SARS escape a total of 4 times.

.....

Here's a story on how they accidentally let it escape to Detroit in 2018.

*wink wink nudge nudge*

https://tinyurl.com/tmrw4by

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 18, 2020 12:55 PM (Ept+j)

351 336 I just have the news on for the background noise. I'm not accustomed to being alone. It's spooky. And depressing.
Help?
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:50 PM (F9mYO)

As an antisocial already self isolating retired grump, even I feel alone now. No tv, radio only, and any briefing, well, cant have a campaigning prezzy talk! So cut away to other b.s.

BTW, always look forward to your posts, meeper.

Posted by: getting the banned uptight at April 18, 2020 12:56 PM (BcTij)

352 I just have the news on for the background noise. I'm not accustomed to being alone. It's spooky. And depressing.

Help?
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:50 PM (F9mYO)

Seriously, what would possess you to turn on something like that, and let it seep into your brain?

The concept of the subliminal message is real. If you are ACTIVELY watching/listening to a news show, you can filter the lies through your rational brain. If you are inactively listening, the messages go right to the center of your brain, without filter. Hence, depression.

TURN IT OFF!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 12:56 PM (hku12)

353 collection of info about covid worth scanning

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 12:56 PM (G546f)

354 I just have the news on for the background noise. I'm not accustomed to being alone. It's spooky. And depressing.

Help?

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:50 PM (F9mYO)

I simply play MST 3k in the background while I'm working alone with only my kitteh nearby. Far less stressful than the "news." I get all the news I need right here on the HQ.

Mrs. Mahon still works at her office, as her yob is considered "essential."

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Processing Survey Topos Pantsless Since Mid-March at April 18, 2020 12:57 PM (x8Wzq)

355 If the TV is on, it generally is showing whatever random pre-war movie that I can find.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2020 12:59 PM (GBHAb)

356 Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 12:50 PM (F9mYO)

++++++Like you, I'm on my own. I used to listen to talk radio but then could just not take the constant negative loud voices. I switched to Sports radio. Try it. It is easy to not be invested in what is being said and although they sometimes talk about the plague, it is mostly in relation to sports so again, easy to just let it be background noise. When I get tired of that, I listen to country music which is very up. I sing along with the music and sometimes dance around my kitchen.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2020 12:55 PM (QzF6i)

I used to have a general sense of China as a world menace. Then all this happened.

So... there are plenty of sources of information out there, many interviews with a variety of voices, talking about what they've learned over long careers, dealing with this country.

I'm getting an education in China.

And it's all on Youtube. For free.

If one needs background "noise," turn that on, and turn off the stupid shitty insipid teevee talking heads.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 12:59 PM (hku12)

357 Nurse ratched, I started listening to old time radio again to escape everything Rona all the time. If you end up liking it, it may be a nice form of escapism. There are different types of shows. I mostly listen to the detective shows, but you can try Suspense or The Whistler to start with.

You can find them in many places on the web. There are also several apps and podcasts.

Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 01:00 PM (9hauA)

358 So, "primitive living" is just CosPlay for virtue signaling rich people. I always figured that was it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 18, 2020 01:00 PM (q3gwH)

359 Nood.

Posted by: banned at April 18, 2020 01:00 PM (BcTij)

360 I just want my tennis club to open back up before I lose the stage of physical shape I had worked at maintaining while I aged. It takes a lot more work to regain that stage than it did when I was younger. Especially in the heat of a Houston summer.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 01:00 PM (2DOZq)

361 NOOD garden

Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 01:00 PM (zr5Kq)

362 I just have the news on for the background noise. I'm not accustomed to being alone. It's spooky. And depressing.

....

Text a couple of old flames out of the blue.

Horny dudes will text with you all day if they think there is a chance.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 18, 2020 01:02 PM (Ept+j)

363 18 USC 242

Posted by: filbert at April 18, 2020 01:02 PM (NiXyF)

364 NOOD garden
Posted by: runner at April 18, 2020 01:00 PM (zr5Kq)

It's been up for half an hour. It's for those who like to get their hands dirty.

My fingernails are clean.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:03 PM (hku12)

365 Oh, No! Just read that Governor is considering not reopening on 5/4 but extending into June based on those stupid metrics from that group that keeps changing their charts on a daily basis.This is just unacceptable. I need to sell my house and move out of this crazy state. I cannot spend another two months not touching someone. For those of you who have a loved one stuck in the house with you, be grateful that you have someone who can put their arms around you.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2020 01:03 PM (QzF6i)

366 And it's all on Youtube. For free.

If one needs background "noise," turn that on, and turn off the stupid shitty insipid teevee talking heads.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 12:59 PM (hku12)

Yeah, YouTube has a lot of interesting stuff. I watch /listen to mostly politics and anti-SJW culture stuff, but I also dabble in videos things that I really have no interest or ability in. Lately, I got into tech reviews while trying to decide on a tablet /laptop and computer art stuff (I can barely draw a smikey).

Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 01:03 PM (9hauA)

367 God is listening.

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He's listening all right.

The cries of murdered babies fills his ears.
===
People can make up whatever beliefs they want, I guess, but the Biblical precedent is that God delivers his people, not from the awful thing they think is coming, but from their awful present circumstance, and that only when it has served its purpose in teaching them the need to change their ways.

I'm not seeing a lot of "change our ways" just yet.

Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 01:03 PM (kOpft)

368 Although, I did buy some Roundup. The weeds outside are getting uppity. Time for me to show them who's boss.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:03 PM (hku12)

369 Ok ok. It's off.

Mostly I wanted to see the weather. Which is grey.

Seattle has allowed two of the dozens of neighborhood farmers markets to reopen this weekend. Unfortunately, the bridge that connects my community to the rest of seattle is closed for the next three years.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 18, 2020 01:05 PM (GxV1H)

370 Although, I did buy some Roundup. The weeds outside are getting uppity. Time for me to show them who's boss.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:03 PM (hku12)

Wrong thread?

Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 01:05 PM (9hauA)

371 And it's all on Youtube. For free.

If one needs background "noise," turn that on, and turn off the stupid shitty insipid teevee talking heads.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 12:59 PM (hku12)

Yeah, YouTube has a lot of interesting stuff. I watch /listen to mostly politics and anti-SJW culture stuff, but I also dabble in videos things that I really have no interest or ability in. Lately, I got into tech reviews while trying to decide on a tablet /laptop and computer art stuff (I can barely draw a smikey).
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 01:03 PM (9hauA)

Youtube, for whatever reason, is different from the other "social media" outlets, in that there may be some censorship being done, but it's generally not political. They use a heavy hand when it comes to copyright stuff, which lots of creators HATE, but generally if you have an interest in whatever topic you mind can think of, there are shedloads of videos on that topic.

And you can usually rely on the algorithm to find what you're looking for and feed it right to you.

So for example, let's say you want to hear Thomas Sowell talk about a particular topic. You put his name in there, and bang, there's a dozen videos of Thomas Sowell, and another endless stream of others who have similar takes to Mr. Sowell's.

In other words there is NO censorship of conservative content, and all you have to do is give Youtube a hint what you are looking for. It's there.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:08 PM (hku12)

372 The lawyers are going to have a field day anyway when this thing is finally over, but it's all bout fear of LEGAL LIABILITY, not SAVING LIVES.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (CqE5x)

You do realize, don't you, that Congress could change this with one single vote? Blanket Immunity for all Corona Virus cases, Congress has the power to do it.

But of course, they won't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 18, 2020 01:09 PM (q3gwH)

373 any doctors here wanna give this video a watch?
I can't really understand what he's saying, something about pulmonary edema similar as seen in high altitudes. He's an NYC dr

https://youtu.be/NmRlvX3VrAQ

"Rather than primarily V/Q mismatch or shunt physiology, could COVID19 disease be a DIFFUSION hypoxemia triggering maladaptive pulmonary vasoconstrictive responses?"

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 01:10 PM (G546f)

374 Although, I did buy some Roundup. The weeds outside are getting uppity. Time for me to show them who's boss.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:03 PM (hku12)

Wrong thread?
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at April 18, 2020 01:05 PM (9hauA)

Nope! That's the first and last thing anyone here will hear from me on the subject of plant life.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:10 PM (hku12)

375 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 18, 2020 01:09 PM (q3gwH

Most insurance policies should also have exclusions but the legal logic decisions by judges allow the suits to proceed.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 01:11 PM (2DOZq)

376 "Rather than primarily V/Q mismatch or shunt physiology, could COVID19 disease be a DIFFUSION hypoxemia triggering maladaptive pulmonary vasoconstrictive responses?"
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 01:10 PM (G546f)

Gesundheit!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:11 PM (hku12)

377 Although, I did buy some Roundup. The weeds outside are getting uppity. Time for me to show them who's boss.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:03 PM (hku12)

Those Roundup lawsuit commercials are another example of what's wrong with the country.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 01:13 PM (2DOZq)

378 In other words there is NO censorship of conservative content, and all
you have to do is give Youtube a hint what you are looking for. It's
there.

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It's available, but does it have commercials?

From the youtubers I watch, the censorship comes primarily in the for of whether or not you can monetize your video. If you don't mind posting content for free, that's not an issue, but there's quite a few people making a living off it these days.

Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 01:13 PM (kOpft)

379 "Rather than primarily V/Q mismatch or shunt physiology, could COVID19
disease be a DIFFUSION hypoxemia triggering maladaptive pulmonary
vasoconstrictive responses?"

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 01:10 PM (G546f)

Christ, what language was that? lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 18, 2020 01:13 PM (9Om/r)

380 77% of College Students Say Online Learning Is Worse than Normal Classes

https://tinyurl.com/ybssptt7

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 01:14 PM (RU4sa)

381 Dems would never go against the big donor they created, trial lawyers. Not a chance of a blanket immunity on Covid-19, shit they themselves are going to be going after President Trump for it very soon.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 01:14 PM (ZCEU2)

382 so many of the restrictions and stupid things we have to endure during this crisis has it's basis in LEGAL LIABILITY

So we are going to sue the very concept of risk into oblivion.
Awesome.

I am SO looking forward to our drab, gray, unexciting, totalitarian but completely zero-risk future.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 01:14 PM (MQ0v4)

383 Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 01:13 PM (kOpft)

Wasn't Prager having an issue with his 'educational' videos?

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 01:14 PM (2DOZq)

384 The lawyers are going to have a field day anyway when this thing is finally over, but it's all bout fear of LEGAL LIABILITY, not SAVING LIVES.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:16 PM (CqE5x)

You do realize, don't you, that Congress could change this with one single vote? Blanket Immunity for all Corona Virus cases, Congress has the power to do it.

But of course, they won't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 18, 2020 01:09 PM (q3gwH)

I would hope they would't.

Even now, there's some patient somewhere, being fed some meds that don't work, or being hooked up to a machine that is helping to kill them faster, and there are some idiot doctors who think "well I have to do something or they'll sue me."

Yes. You should be sued. And how.

Leave Dewey and Cheatham out of this one. This is Howe's speciality.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:15 PM (hku12)

385 I am SO looking forward to our drab, gray, unexciting, totalitarian but completely zero-risk future.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 01:14 PM (MQ0v4)

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I'd rather be hooked up to a virus-infected ventilator.

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 01:15 PM (RU4sa)

386 Free on youtube:
_ I The Jury, the first, 1953, motion picture make of a Mickey Spillane novel.
_ The Pushover, Kim Novak's first feature. Fred MacMurray is the leading man.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 01:17 PM (pr9ci)

387 Rather than primarily V/Q mismatch or shunt physiology, could COVID19
disease be a DIFFUSION hypoxemia triggering maladaptive pulmonary
vasoconstrictive responses?"

Posted by: vm

So I should take Cialis as a preventative? I need a better outlet for its side effects though.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 01:17 PM (2DOZq)

388 Christ, what language was that? lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 18, 2020 01:13 PM (9Om/r)

I know right?

watching the video was kinda like watching a younger Dr House though

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 01:17 PM (G546f)

389 SMH no hook up possibility

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 01:18 PM (ZCEU2)

390 virus-filled.

Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2020 01:18 PM (RU4sa)

391 385 I am SO looking forward to our drab, gray, unexciting, totalitarian but completely zero-risk future.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 01:14 PM (MQ0v4)

So, after all the lockdowns are lifted and we've all gone back to work. You're still going to complain that the world's just not the same?

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 01:19 PM (pr9ci)

392 The 9/11 government fund was set up mainly as an alternative to other entities being sued for some created responsibility for terrorists flying planes into the twin towers.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 01:20 PM (2DOZq)

393 250

Trump said W was at fault for 9/11. It almost made me not vote for him and it still sticks in my craw.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 12:29 PM

Yep, I was full on the "NeverTrump" train early on in the 2016 campaign because of his 9/11 conspiracy crap and his wishy-washiness on the sanctity of life.

I had been supporting Scott Walker. Then when he dropped out like a coward, I reluctantly looked at Cruz, even though I only vote for Governors or those with executive experience for President.

I eventually went full in my support for Trump when it became clear to me he was the only one serious about the issue of illegal immigration and the wall.

It became crystal clear to me the rest of the GOP was worthless when I realized that all they had to do to neutralize Trump was to take on his prime issue of illegal immigration and the wall. But no one would. I knew then the entire Party was BS.

Proudly voted for Trump in 2016 and have grown to be an even bigger supporter throughout his Presidency based on both his policies as well as how he fights the Democrats and the media.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 18, 2020 01:20 PM (Do5/p)

394 In other words there is NO censorship of conservative content, and all
you have to do is give Youtube a hint what you are looking for. It's
there.

---
It's available, but does it have commercials?

From the youtubers I watch, the censorship comes primarily in the for of whether or not you can monetize your video. If you don't mind posting content for free, that's not an issue, but there's quite a few people making a living off it these days.
Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 01:13 PM (kOpft)

I think those guys are generally getting demonetized because they're being provocative, in ways that attract the copy strikers. So the copy strikers attack them because of content, and Youtube isn't very good at sorting out a valid copyright claim from a bogus one.

I don't know who is still dealing with that now, I know PJ Watson has had his share of it, but I don't think he's still being targeted. I could be wrong though.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:20 PM (hku12)

395 "Rather than primarily V/Q mismatch or shunt
physiology, could COVID19 disease be a DIFFUSION hypoxemia triggering
maladaptive pulmonary vasoconstrictive responses?"

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 01:10 PM (G546f)

It could be but only if the thingamajig is in the whatchamacallit

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 01:20 PM (TGRa1)

396

Gunsmoke is on. It's the episode when the townspeople take justice in their own hands after a couple of Asshoes pick on a nice young man. Good ep.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 01:21 PM (zDOov)

397 Now playing..Son of A Preacher Man.....by Dusty Springfield.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 01:21 PM (I2582)

398 Anybody know what today is? Today is the one year anniversary of Mueller Time!

Time flies.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 18, 2020 01:21 PM (ZLI7S)

399 "calm piano" is my recent favorite for early morning activity ... mostly though, I find music a distraction, if I am reading or "thinking". But yeah, "news" is not just a distraction, it is a weaponized assault from the left.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 18, 2020 01:22 PM (Cus5s)

400 Posted by: illiniwek at April 18, 2020 01:22 PM (Cus5s)

I've been playing my sax a lot to the great dismay of my cats.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 01:23 PM (2DOZq)

401

Home hair cutting kits look to be sold out in stores and online. I may have to use the weed wacker if this goes on any longer

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 01:24 PM (TGRa1)

402
George W Bush might not have been somewhat responsible for 9/11 but he did just as bad or worse to Us during his 8 years.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 01:24 PM (zDOov)

403 Cats like dirty sax.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 01:24 PM (I2582)

404 Law Enforcement is the fist of the Government. Never trust the Government to care about you or your rights.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2020 12:32 PM

So I take it I should also feel this way about military members? Also the fist of the government?

Both my brothers are in the military. Youngest is a Major in Army, middle one former Air Force, now Chicago police officer and IL National Guard.

I guess I should inform them I have to hate them, because they are the fist of the government.

Good to know.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 18, 2020 01:24 PM (Do5/p)

405 I've been playing my sax a lot to the great dismay of my cats.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 18, 2020 01:23 PM (2DOZq)

You and Warren Beaty

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 01:24 PM (pr9ci)

406
These tv stations are horrible! They cut to commercial right in the middle of scenes.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 01:25 PM (zDOov)

407 Heaven Can Wait

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 01:25 PM (pr9ci)

408 This bitch is my recital

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 18, 2020 01:25 PM (H4CEY)

409
402
George W Bush might not have been somewhat responsible for 9/11 but he did just as bad or worse to Us during his 8 years.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 01:24 PM (zDOov)

He and Karl Rove with their passive non-aggressive acceptance of criticism were abso-fucking-lutely useless. But they sure taught the GOPe to do it well, didn't they?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 01:27 PM (pNxlR)

410 On this week's "Real Time," Bill Maher took issue with how people,
especially in the media, have been reacting to the coronavirus pandemic.
Expressing the worry that "panic porn" will cede any optimism about
this crisis to President Trump, Maher complained about how news
organizations have covered the pandemic, saying media should "calm down
and treat us like adults."

What's gotten into that douchebag? Last week he said there's nothing wrong with calling it the China virus because that's where it started now he's calling out the MFM for their fear mongering.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 01:27 PM (TGRa1)

411 Cats like dirty sax.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 01:24 PM (I2582)

Mine like to supply their own violins.

While I supply the sax.

For some reason the ASPCA and local vice squads are always showing up.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:27 PM (hku12)

412 But his son was a --and I know i'm now using the language of the Left during 2000-2008, but fuck it--a useless fratboy who didn't do dick.
Yes he shined in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, but in the following days he'd fuck that up too.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 18, 2020 12:48 PM (CqE5x)

He did succeed at making Iran a democracy though, didn't he?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 18, 2020 01:28 PM (1g7ch)

413 Don't just hate when a government man sniffs your hair or teases the peach fuzz on your neck.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 18, 2020 01:28 PM (I2582)

414 or some bizarre reason NJ is unable to find the treatments, they are not allowing docs to prescribe HCQ and they are sending their patients to us in PA for in-patient treatments like HCQ and the new ones.

I think it's because NJ is utterly incompetent, has no actual governance, and is a basket case. this virus just has shown that to the world.
Posted by: BlackOrchidMasked at April 18, 2020 12:25 PM (j9HX3)

This morning I saw a post from my old pastor in NJ's wife. She's one of the head RN's over at Holy Name hospital in Teaneck, NJ. She was praising the potential good news of the Rev drug. Yes of course it's good news but I wanted to comment about using HCQ since I'm not understanding why their hospital is still under such fire and duress. (Tons of cases and deaths). Are they not using HCQ? And why not? It just doesn't make any sense but it's NJ so...

Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne at April 18, 2020 01:29 PM (xU7mE)

415 Home hair cutting kits look to be sold out in stores and online. I may have to use the weed wacker if this goes on any longer

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 01:24 PM (TGRa1)

My hair has been long since christ was a corporal, so that don't even affect me. Its one of the few "business as usual" things I got going on in this frigging mess.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 18, 2020 01:30 PM (9Om/r)

416
Just a brief rant -- please indulge me.

If you are a software developer or application deliverer and you alone choose destinations for files from common actions, say screen shots, without affording me the opportunity to decide whether that is something to which I agree, come visit me in person.

I WANT TO WRING YOUR SCRAWNY NECK ...

(...but in a nice way)

That is all. Thank you.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 01:30 PM (pNxlR)

417 Wasn't Prager having an issue with his 'educational' videos?

---
I've seen some Prager U videos as ads, so they are paying to get them seen, so that's a different issue. There's also an issue where videos don't get "reommended" which is a little wonky, and another where notifications (If you say you want to see videos from a particular youtuber) are less than reliable. I just meant that the main one youtubers worry about (that I've heard) is cutting the commercials.

Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 01:32 PM (kOpft)

418 You do realize, don't you, that Congress could change this with one
single vote? Blanket Immunity for all Corona Virus cases, Congress has
the power to do it.

But of course, they won't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 18, 2020 01:09 PM (q3gwH)

I would hope they would't.

Even now, there's some patient somewhere, being fed some meds that
don't work, or being hooked up to a machine that is helping to kill them
faster, and there are some idiot doctors who think "well I have to do
something or they'll sue me."

Yes. You should be sued. And how.

---
How many doctors/ administrators/ whatnot avoided giving their patients HCQ because #OrangeManBad?

Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 01:33 PM (kOpft)

419 Law Enforcement is the fist of the Government. Never trust the Government to care about you or your rights.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2020 12:32 PM

....
I guess I should inform them I have to hate them, because they are the fist of the government.

Good to know.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 18, 2020 01:24 PM (Do5/p)

You know, now is probably as good a time as any to be having reasoned, rational debates about the role of government, and the extent to which various aspects of it are necessary. The argument can range from necessary to necessary evil to just straight up evil.

Having this debate is not the same as saying anybody should hate anybody, because that is beside the point. Your brothers MIGHT be good people... and still be serving in an evil system.

And maybe they aren't, but it doesn't do any good to shut down the debate, due to an emotional attachment to specific individuals.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:34 PM (hku12)

420
What if the models were actually correct?

I am not denying that Divine Providence hasn't played a role in the lower than predicted cases of Wuhan Flu and deaths.

I cannot, however, grant your premise the the models were actually correct because, as someone who created, updated and worked with mathematical models, I am well aware that the useless hacks who foisted their crap on clueless policy makers were not only wrong, but incompetently wrong.

It was always about getting there "firstest with the mostest" because that keeps the gubmint funding sluices open and running to their brim.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 01:36 PM (pNxlR)

421 Anyone complaining about Trump hammering home the "saved millions of lives" narrative, think about it. Consider the state of the economy, he's putting himself in a golden spot and the Left can't do anything about it. They certainly can't say he *didn't* save millions of lives... because if so, then what the shit was this all about? So either he's a hero and saved millions of lives or the Left has overblown this whole thing. With either narrative, the public can't sour on him, only the Left.

If he starts going on about how we all overblew this thing, then HE is partly responsible for that and has to answer to it. Also every death after that can be pinned on him because he's the one saying it's "overblown".

If things take a dramatically bad turn - or the Left continues inflating the death/illness numbers - he looks like a total fucking idiot and say hello to President Jarrett again.

Much as I love all the morons and ettes (and I mean that), and I know a lot of you are pissed off at what the Left has done here, I'm glad several of you aren't the ones trying to get Trump reelected.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2020 01:38 PM (uEbPt)

422 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 18, 2020 01:09 PM (q3gwH)

I would hope they would't.

Even now, there's some patient somewhere, being fed some meds that don't work, or being hooked up to a machine that is helping to kill them faster, and there are some idiot doctors who think "well I have to do something or they'll sue me."

Yes. You should be sued. And how.

---
How many doctors/ administrators/ whatnot avoided giving their patients HCQ because #OrangeManBad?
Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 01:33 PM (kOpft)

Someone the other day was talking about the well known circumstance, after Reagan was shot, how he made a joke about hoping the docs who were getting ready to work him over, that he hoped they were all Republicans.

To which one of the docs replied "we are now."

That's an open question that is worth pursuing. Are there docs who are so politicized, they'll provide care based on outcomes they seek that have concern for the patient as an afterthought?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:38 PM (hku12)

423 Prager has been trying to build up useage and video hits so while haven't seen any ads for them not surprised they are paying for them.
I do fully believe they are trying to get younger people to see them to give them a view they will never otherwise see.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 01:39 PM (ZCEU2)

424 Dr Campbell on vitamin D.

https://youtu.be/GCSXNGc7pfs

Notice that those with dark skin tend to have a deficiency. And may have something to do with their infection rate.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2020 01:40 PM (Lqy/e)

425 So, after all the lockdowns are lifted and we've all
gone back to work. You're still going to complain that the world's just
not the same?

Posted by: Braenyard

Not sure what your point is but...
Damn straight I will complain. I will complain like hell that the ChiComs launched an, admittedly weak, first strike against us and screwed us economically for the forseeable future.

Thousands of small businesses are going broke and will continue going broke as a long as we keep trying to convince the weak-minded and soft-headed among us that somehow if everybody Just Wears The Mask (TM) that somehow all disease-related death will stop.

But hey at least the corpses that are piling up will be from suicide rather than Chinese Lung Aids, flu, or various pneumonias.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 01:41 PM (MQ0v4)

426 The rhythm will not allow

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 18, 2020 01:42 PM (PUmDY)

427
How many doctors/ administrators/ whatnot avoided giving their patients HCQ because #OrangeManBad?
Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 01:33 PM (kOpft)

I'm willing to bet, "a lot". And that is de facto malpractice, irrespective of the "argument" regarding there having been no vetted clinical trials for this particular treatment regimen.

That an unlettered layperson like Rita Wilson (Tom Hanks' spouse), who had the disease in Australia, was apparently administered chloroquine (instead of hydroxychloroquine), had an adverse reaction to it, (survived nonetheless), has gone public to bad mouth the treatment, and has been accorded unlimited credence by the media, a good portion of the public and a good portion of the medical establishment, is all you need to know regarding the majority of people's understanding of "science", despite their saying at every opportunity that they "effin' love science".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 01:44 PM (pNxlR)

428 What's gotten into that douchebag? Last week he said there's nothing wrong with calling it the China virus because that's where it started now he's calling out the MFM for their fear mongering.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 01:27 PM (TGRa1)

He's big on free speech, and generally has taken the left to task when they try to stifle the truth.

Doesn't change the fact that his bent is ALWAYS to the left. He just can't seem to grasp the notion that leftist concerns go hand in hand with crushing authoritarianism.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:46 PM (hku12)

429
That's an open question that is worth pursuing. Are there docs who are so politicized, they'll provide care based on outcomes they seek that have concern for the patient as an afterthought?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:38 PM (hku12)

My profoundly cynical side says, "yes, there are such practitioners".

Witness the nurse who publicly voiced her attitude that should a person come into her facility wearing any MAGA gear, that person's priority to be treated would be summarily downgraded (at least by her).

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 01:48 PM (pNxlR)

430 That month off I had was equal to all the time I had off in the last 9 1/2 years combined and 3 weeks of that was a temporary lay-off around 5 years ago.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 01:48 PM (ZCEU2)

431 That's an open question that is worth pursuing. Are there docs who
are so politicized, they'll provide care based on outcomes they seek
that have concern for the patient as an afterthought?

Based on those two psychotic gynecologists in Florida , who tore down a veteran's Trump2020 flag while their children watched and screamed?

Gonna go with "yes".

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 01:50 PM (MQ0v4)

432 "He and Karl Rove with their passive non-aggressive acceptance of criticism were abso-fucking-lutely useless. But they sure taught the GOPe to do it well, didn't they?"

Remember when Colbert (I think?) trashed him horribly in a speech at some event, and Bush's only reply was "good job"? This is why we voted for Trump.

Posted by: Chris M at April 18, 2020 01:51 PM (6XZdO)

433 The kids' old charter school staff is going around putting congrats lawn signs on the yards of their graduatung seniors.

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 01:54 PM (G546f)

434 That's an open question that is worth pursuing. Are there docs who are so politicized, they'll provide care based on outcomes they seek that have concern for the patient as an afterthought?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:38 PM (hku12)

My profoundly cynical side says, "yes, there are such practitioners".

Witness the nurse who publicly voiced her attitude that should a person come into her facility wearing any MAGA gear, that person's priority to be treated would be summarily downgraded (at least by her).
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 01:48 PM (pNxlR)

And when such incidents are documented, there should be licenses ripped up. Period.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:54 PM (hku12)

435 "Are there docs who are so politicized, they'll provide care based on outcomes they seek that have concern for the patient as an afterthought?"

There is no depth to which the left will not sink.

Posted by: Chris M at April 18, 2020 01:54 PM (6XZdO)

436 Witness the nurse who publicly voiced her attitude
that should a person come into her facility wearing any MAGA gear, that
person's priority to be treated would be summarily downgraded (at least
by her).

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 01:48 PM (pNxlR)

And when such incidents are documented, there should be licenses ripped up. Period.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 01:54 PM (hku12)

I do believe you misspelled left to rot in an iron cage.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 18, 2020 01:55 PM (9Om/r)

437 That's an open question that is worth pursuing. Are there docs who
are so politicized, they'll provide care based on outcomes they seek
that have concern for the patient as an afterthought?

Tucker's segment on that crazy, racist SJW who is the head of the NIH research on the Coronavirus vaccine was eye-opening.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 01:58 PM (MQ0v4)

438 Flipping through channels and came upon a NatGeo show on Y2K. And who should pop up on the screen but John Koskinen. Apparently the sniveling weasel was Clinton's Y2K Czar.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 01:59 PM (sGotD)

439 Broken glass everywhere

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 18, 2020 02:00 PM (PUmDY)

440 Germany is starting to reopen and they were hit with this later than us. They are even reopening schools.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2020 02:01 PM (Lqy/e)

441 That's an open question that is worth pursuing. Are there docs who are so politicized, they'll provide care based on outcomes they seek that have concern for the patient as an afterthought?
--------------------
Tucker's segment on that crazy, racist SJW who is the head of the NIH research on the Coronavirus vaccine was eye-opening.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 01:58 PM (MQ0v4)

Probably a good thing I didn't see it.

I remain hopeful (and possibly hopelessly naive) that when all this is over, we can have these discussions. Expose the various ways this stuff is being politicized where it shouldn't be.

I think there are way too many people operating inside the Medical Industrial Complex who believe they have immunity to being exposed this way.

It all should be on the table. Having licensed people lose their licenses, criminal charges where they are appropriate, and yes, lawsuits when necessary.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 02:02 PM (hku12)

442 Only God knows what you're going to do.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 18, 2020 02:04 PM (PUmDY)

443 Miracle on Ice 80s olympics on NatGeo now.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020 02:05 PM (sGotD)

444 Germany is starting to reopen and they were hit with this later than us. They are even reopening schools.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2020 02:01 PM (Lqy/e)

It should be possible to open schools, but that's one of those areas where the politics trump reason. I think teachers and administrators are loving this, not having to deal with all the dripping snot.

If there was any justice, kids would be in school all summer long. Time for parents to have a break.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 02:06 PM (hku12)

445

Mayor Bill de Blasio

@NYCMayor
How do you report places that aren't enforcing social distancing? It's simple: just snap a photo and text it to 311-692. #AskMyMayor

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 18, 2020 02:06 PM (aKsyK)

446 I haven't seen this mentioned. I noticed that the South Koreans have slippers to wear in the home. Now I've known folks that do that to keep the home cleaner. I think it could also cut down on bringing in viruses. I think it's a good idea.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2020 02:07 PM (Lqy/e)

447 Mayor Bill de Blasio

@NYCMayor
How do you report places that aren't enforcing social distancing? It's simple: just snap a photo and text it to 311-692. #AskMyMayor
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 18, 2020 02:06 PM (aKsyK)

People should snap photos of folks (obscured by masks, of course) flipping the bird, and send them to da mayer. See Mayor DeCommio, these people aren't obeying you!!!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 02:11 PM (hku12)

448 Miracle on Ice 80s olympics on NatGeo now.
Posted by: IrishEi at April 18, 2020

That was a great time in my life. I just turned 18 and was able to vote for Reagan. Trying to put the stench of the peanut farmer behind us.

Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2020 02:14 PM (nvc6v)

449 Mayor Bill de Blasio
@NYCMayor
How do you report places that aren't enforcing social distancing? It's simple: just snap a photo and text it to 311-692. #AskMyMayor
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 18, 2020 02:06 PM (aKsyK)

Ah, there's your fist of the guvmint right there.

Mayor Bill Fakelastname loves him some fisting.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2020 02:15 PM (Z+IKu)

450 People should snap photos of folks (obscured by masks, of course) flipping the bird, and send them to da mayer. See Mayor DeCommio, these people aren't obeying you!!!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2020 02:11
---------------------------------
Found this reply to the mayor at Twitchy:

https://twitter.com/TugboatPhil/status
/1251516024563867650

Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at April 18, 2020 02:16 PM (Dhht7)

451 Have a change of shoes by the door. Was doing that especially in beginning as a request by wife, had store shoes and house shoes.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 02:17 PM (ZCEU2)

452 Anyone complaining about Trump hammering home the "saved millions of lives" narrative, think about it. Consider the state of the economy, he's putting himself in a golden spot and the Left can't do anything about it. They certainly can't say he *didn't* save millions of lives... because if so, then what the shit was this all about? So either he's a hero and saved millions of lives or the Left has overblown this whole thing. With either narrative, the public can't sour on him, only the Left.

If he starts going on about how we all overblew this thing, then HE is partly responsible for that and has to answer to it. Also every death after that can be pinned on him because he's the one saying it's "overblown".

If things take a dramatically bad turn - or the Left continues inflating the death/illness numbers - he looks like a total fucking idiot and say hello to President Jarrett again.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2020 01:38 PM (uEbPt)

Well said.

Notice how Trump has now maneuvered the governors into being the ones who are responsible for testing, treatment, deciding on when/how to open up again. Doing so not only revives the previously moribund federalism,* but also puts the governors on the hook for their own decisions. No bungling of decisions and then blaming Trump; their decisions are 100% on their own tab.

*In this context notice how many Red apparatchiks in the WH media pool keep asking Trump if he's going to issue a nationwide order for this or that. They LOVE the concept of the General Secretary issuing orders.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 18, 2020 02:18 PM (xCDE6)

453
I haven't seen this mentioned. I noticed that the South Koreans have
slippers to wear in the home. Now I've known folks that do that to keep
the home cleaner. I think it could also cut down on bringing in viruses.
I think it's a good idea.

Really good point.

People are going bananas over masking up at the grocery and literally no one has talked about the acres of floor boogers that they track across from the store into their home and transfer to pets , furniture and family.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 02:18 PM (MQ0v4)

454 olddog

good doggeh!

Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2020 02:19 PM (nvc6v)

455 Hey Skip, will you do me a favor? Could you let the 'ettes know that I won't be able to give the Melania fashion review on the Chest thread. Wife just called and said they kicking her out of hospital at 4p today.

Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at April 18, 2020 02:19 PM (Dhht7)

456 olddog, where do you find those?

Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2020 02:20 PM (nvc6v)

457 Hi Infidel. My post @455 was mostly for your benefit.

Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at April 18, 2020 02:20 PM (Dhht7)

458 Found this reply to the mayor at Twitchy:

https://twitter.com/TugboatPhil/status

/1251516024563867650

LOLOLOL I think I cracked a rib!

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 18, 2020 02:23 PM (MQ0v4)

459 olddog, where do you find those?

Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2020 02:20
----------------------------
What? The Melania information? I upload pic to google image search and work from there. Most hits are for shit and typically trashing her. Takes time. Also, I search Breitbart. But that's laborious because I have to search every pic they've posted of Melania.

Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at April 18, 2020 02:25 PM (Dhht7)

460 olddog, glad you are bringing Mrs. olddog home. I will try to see if I can find something. I always enjoy the narratives you post! Thank you!

Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2020 02:28 PM (nvc6v)

461 olddog WHOO Hoo, can do

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 02:29 PM (ZCEU2)

462
@NYCMayor

How do you report places that aren't enforcing social distancing?
It's simple: just snap a photo and text it to 311-692. #AskMyMayor

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Let's fuck with him!

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 02:29 PM (ZHvCS)

463
Let's all text Kaiser Wilhelm pics of him and pelosi telling people to go to chinktown!

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 02:30 PM (ZHvCS)

464
Bobby!

Cindy!

BOBBY!

CINDYYYY!!

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 02:35 PM (ZHvCS)

465 Soothsayer, Twitchy has some of the responses to the mayor.

https://tinyurl.com/y8vo265h

Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at April 18, 2020 02:35 PM (Dhht7)

466
*In this context notice how many Red
apparatchiks in the WH media pool keep asking Trump if he's going to
issue a nationwide order for this or that. They LOVE the concept of the
General Secretary issuing orders.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 18, 2020 02:18 PM (xCDE6)

Absolutely. Also they so badly want something to pin on him and he refuses to give it to them.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2020 02:37 PM (uEbPt)

467

lulz @ twitchy

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 02:39 PM (ZHvCS)

468 Speaking of Youtube, a little amusement from there.

Garth Marenghi's "Dark Place", the funeral scene from Episode 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VamgprCpEGw

"The Lord moves in mysterious ways. Sometimes he'll come in at an angle. Other times, he can hover and swoop. Sometimes he can even come in from beneath, like a worm or mole. The Lord, it's his call how he chooses to maneuver."

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 18, 2020 02:39 PM (7s3Gx)

469 Every NYer shoujld make it a mission to find every NY employee not 'social distancing

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2020 02:41 PM (ZCEU2)

470 @NYCMayor

How do you report places that aren't enforcing social distancing?

It's simple: just snap a photo and text it to 311-692. #AskMyMayor

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Let's fuck with him!

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 18, 2020 02:29 PM (ZHvCS)

Send him a copy of the picture at the top of the thread.

Posted by: Methos at April 18, 2020 02:42 PM (kOpft)

471 Witness the nurse who publicly voiced her attitude that should a person come into her facility wearing any MAGA gear, that person's priority to be treated would be summarily downgraded (at least by her).
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 01:48 PM (pNxlR)

That nurse would make a good fascist - doesn't need marching orders to do what the collective wills.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 18, 2020 02:45 PM (1g7ch)

472 saw a fb thing that made sense
long but the gist of it is:

We are NOT all in the same boat!
We are in different boats trying to weather through the same storm.

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 02:47 PM (G546f)

473 olddog, good news for you and Mrs. olddog.
Glad she's coming home.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 02:48 PM (pr9ci)

474 Grocery store update: Everything seemed to be pretty much back in stock.

Masks on about... 1/3 of the people.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 02:50 PM (A5zUN)

475 Masks on about... 1/3 of the people.

That is completely unacceptable.

Posted by: The Universal Mast Consortium at April 18, 2020 02:51 PM (EgshT)

476 Grocery store run, no tp, looking more normal as far as stocking goes(weeks ago had a glimpse of Soviet Union)

Posted by: A dude in MI at April 18, 2020 02:53 PM (/6GbT)

477 It puts the mask on its face.

Posted by: The Left at April 18, 2020 02:53 PM (uEbPt)

478 Cruising for a China Virus list discovered that

"African swine fever that has decimated the country's pig population over the past two years."
and
"Hunan province, where the avian influenza outbreak announced on Saturday took place,"

Feb. 1, article:
http://tinyurl.com/y8rzzwca

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 02:53 PM (pr9ci)

479 If it saves just one nose hair...

Posted by: The Universal Mask Consortium at April 18, 2020 02:59 PM (EgshT)

480 PET NOOD

Posted by: Skip, the guy who says NOOD at April 18, 2020 03:01 PM (ZCEU2)

481 had to run away from home with doggeh for a bit coz hubby was on a tds phone rant with his friend

am back now
it's cold and windy

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 03:01 PM (G546f)

482 @NYCMayor

How do you report places that aren't enforcing social distancing?

It's simple: just snap a photo and text it to 311-692. #AskMyMayor

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Flood it with pictures of de Commio

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 18, 2020 03:02 PM (ekmlY)

483 Wuhan Flu CCP "is inactivated by soap, which destabilises its lipid bilayer". _wiki

A hotel size bar of soap and a spritzer of water.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 03:18 PM (pr9ci)

484 Eat Mohr Sope ...

Posted by: illiniwek at April 18, 2020 03:29 PM (Cus5s)

485
483 Wuhan Flu CCP "is inactivated by soap, which destabilises its lipid bilayer". _wiki

A hotel size bar of soap and a spritzer of water.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 03:18 PM (pr9ci)

That is true of every virus or bacterium. Soap and water break up the lipid bilayer that constitute their wall or membrane.

One would think that this was taught in schools in science classes these days, but no. Science classes are devoted to teaching about the 57 genders, one gender per week!

Priorities, people!

This advice does not apply to the titanium-clad virus particles that are COVID-19 -- do NOT ignore your betters!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 03:57 PM (pNxlR)

486
474 Grocery store update: Everything seemed to be pretty much back in stock.

Masks on about... 1/3 of the people.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 18, 2020 02:50 PM (A5zUN)

Roving squads of the Karen Stasi will take care of that, comrades!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 03:58 PM (pNxlR)

487
review on the Chest thread.

kbdabear's ONT postings have their own reviews now?

What a classy place this has become!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2020 04:01 PM (pNxlR)

488 "I have said my life is in the hands of a higher power. I did not mean Kate Brown."

This website will be sure to get your blood pressure up.

https://www.professorhinkley.com/

Posted by: Russtovich at April 18, 2020 04:04 PM (0HOdZ)

489 Real tyranny has now fallen on my little far flung town, they've ordered all of the Dunkin Donuts to close until further notice.

I guess the StarCucks who had all voluntarily closed complained and got the fascists to close down their competition.

This is bullshit.

Posted by: Matt Hoffman at April 18, 2020 04:18 PM (lrLm3)

490 Epidemics from China

- 1957 Asian flu pandemic H7N9 (A/H7N9)
- 1968 Hong Kong flu (H3N2) pandemic of 1968
- 1977 Russian Flu A/H1N1 1st occurred in ne China
- 1997 “bird flu.” H5N1, Hong Kong
- 2002-04 SARS - (SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-1)
- 2003 Avian influenza (Bird Flu) virus A H7
- 2009 Swine Flu _ H1N1 _(SIV)
- 2012 MERS-CoV
- 2013 H7N9
- 2016 H7N9, fifth epidemic
- 2019 Wuhan flu - COVID-19 (covid-2)

Common words or phrases:
poor hygiene, close proximity of all consumed species in unsanitary wet markets, reptiles (nasty critters) in proximity to mammals in wet markets, wet markets, insistence of even (middle class) people on wet markets, proximity of personal residences to wet markets

http://tinyurl.com/un35t6u

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 04:20 PM (pr9ci)

491 @490
You are a very bad man for posting that link without a warning.

OMG!!!

Posted by: Matt Hoffman at April 18, 2020 04:23 PM (lrLm3)

492 490 Braenyard, made a tweet from it

https://twitter.com/votermom/status/
1251608107769364491

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 18, 2020 04:27 PM (G546f)

493 Cool

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 04:29 PM (pr9ci)

494 In case y'all missed it
Sarah Hoyt paid a complementary visit to ONT last night.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 04:32 PM (pr9ci)

495 https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

Posted by: m at April 18, 2020 05:13 PM (oGFm1)

496 Dennis Miller
1tms Sponlhsirormoed �
I had a nightm...no...make that a dream...I had a dream last night that General George Patton slapped Brian Stelter so hard the tectonic ripple emanating off his baldy baby blubbering bean eradicated Covid-19 thru what the General deemed "plenty o' positive pulsin' power." I sat up in bed and applauded like a Frenchman greeting Lindy at Le Bourget Airfield and then I laid back and slept a sleep much like Ripley after she flushed the Pelosibeast out of the loading bay door.

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at April 18, 2020 05:14 PM (kZXyx)

497 Wow, it's on!

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 05:16 PM (pr9ci)

498 Numbers disproportionate in black and Hispanic communities.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 05:18 PM (pr9ci)

499 Caught a % typo

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2020 05:19 PM (pr9ci)

500 Hey Open B.... thanks for the linkage,

Posted by: Gerard vanderleun at April 18, 2020 05:53 PM (n9plY)

501 Now let's all go up to Nancy's and have some ice cream. Everyone gets two scoops, at least

Posted by: plainjane31@gmail.com at April 18, 2020 06:49 PM (cyRVk)

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