One Thing Of Which We Can Be Certain; When Given A Range Of Options, California Always Chooses The Worst One

Sometime in the not-so-distant future it might behoove America to build a fence around California, because if this level of nuttiness and stupidity and total and complete ignorance of reality and human nature leaks out we are in big trouble

Another Bad Idea in San Francisco

Before Covid-19 struck, San Francisco officials took no meaningful action to address the squalid conditions under which so many homeless people live. They threw money at the problem, but the problem grew. Homeless activists and some city leaders have argued that living on the street is a right, but today it presents a serious public-health dilemma: how will officials get homeless people to comply with social-distancing requirements, and what should they do with those who’ve contracted the virus?

Yes, we have known about this, and mocked it, for years. It has been an ongoing problem in San Francisco for many years, with a brief respite in the 1990s when Mayor Frank Jordan had the police do the unthinkable...uphold the law. But for the most part San Francisco has been a bum's paradise, and it is getting worse.

But with Sino-Lung-Rot's threat to the homeless population, San Francisco has a new problem, and as usual they have discarded the more rational ideas such as housing them in Moscone Center, and moved on to a monumentally bad idea...

Instead, Mayor London Breed and the Human Services Agency came up with the plan to route over 3,000 people currently living in shelters and navigation centers into hotels. The city is planning to put thousands of physically and psychologically sick people into private hotel rooms, in some of the most luxurious hotels in San Francisco—the InterContinental, Mark Hopkins, and The Palace. Occupants would receive three meals per day, hygiene products, and access to nurses.

The article mentions some of the very obvious problems with this plan, so it's worth a read, even with its slightly "big government can do good" tone.

It is so typical of California, and San Francisco in particular that a problem among a small segment of its population can be solved (I use that word very loosely) only by inconveniencing, endangering, and impoverishing the vast majority.

Crime running rampant? Decriminalize many things so there are fewer criminals! Some unknown fish is threatened? Destroy the most productive agricultural area on earth. Housing getting expensive? Make it almost impossible to build anything quickly through a maze of regulations and restrictions, so housing becomes even more expensive!

I could go on and on, and the Californians in our midst will no doubt be able to provide even more insanely stupid examples.

But...what is the goal? Is it to turn California into Venezuela on the Pacific? Because if that is the case they are doing well. The socialist goal of flattening society's strata is already happening. California is losing its middle class, and will soon be a state of 39,000,000 poor people, most of whom receiving some sort of government assistance, with 500,000 wealthy people scattered around in their gated enclaves.

And it needn't be so. California is fabulously wealthy...oil, minerals, agriculture, industry, and is also an amazingly beautiful place, which adds tourism to the mix. The saddest thing is that it wasn't always dysfunctional. Aside from San Francisco and a few other outliers, California was, until the 1990s a vibrant energetic place in which the tone was that you could do anything if you just worked at it.

Now? My sense is that Californians cling to their memories of what it once was...enjoying the leisurely life of the ocean and the deserts and the mountains and the vineyards, and carefully ignoring the decay that is all around them.

It is unsustainable, and the exploding homeless (bums, vagrants, addicts mostly, with very few truly homeless) problem is simply the most obvious signal. When it fails is the question...not, "if."

[Hat Tip: Jay Guevara]

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

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1 When you can't even run off people who freely crap in the streets you know you have already lost.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2020 12:17 PM (mpXpK)

2 Holiday Inn not good enough? Meh.

Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2020 12:18 PM (X/Pw5)

3 Prager points that out regularly

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:18 PM (ZCEU2)

4 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at April 05, 2020 12:19 PM (p87tJ)

5 Did anyboby NOOD yet?

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:19 PM (8HBLI)

6 Woohoo! Just scored TP and paper towels!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:20 PM (g8Yc+)

7 hiya

Posted by: JT at April 05, 2020 12:20 PM (arJlL)

8 Did anyboby NOOD yet?
Posted by: PennaLady

Vic did.

Posted by: JT at April 05, 2020 12:20 PM (arJlL)

9 I wouldn't give a fuck about California if they didn't expect the rest of us to bail them out.

Posted by: Clark Griswald at April 05, 2020 12:21 PM (tCH68)

10 On other hand advised not long ago for NY to follow SF route and have homelesd put onto the UN's building

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:21 PM (ZCEU2)

11 Off stupid sock

Posted by: jsg at April 05, 2020 12:21 PM (tCH68)

12 Woohoo! Just scored TP and paper towels!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire

Didja have to shoot yer way out ?

Posted by: JT at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (arJlL)

13 I used to love trips to California.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (79x8N)

14 Top 10?

Posted by: Morticus Khan at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (3HSUi)

15 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (Zz0t1)

16 Public Service Announcement:

https://youtu.be/L3tnH4FGbd0

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (Zz0t1)

17 Nein!

Posted by: Morticus Khan at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (3HSUi)

18 Woohoo! Just scored TP and paper towels!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire

Didja have to shoot yer way out ?
Posted by: JT at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (arJlL)
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Fortunately not.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (g8Yc+)

19 But dat weather, tho!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (NWiLs)

20 California: Prime example of the results of liberalism.

Take something beautiful and fuck it into the ground.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (Zz0t1)

21 6 Woohoo! Just scored TP and paper towels!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:20 PM (g8Yc+)

How far we have fallen in a month.

Posted by: jsg at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (tCH68)

22 Another big issue: California's legislature. Overwhelmingly Democrat and in session way too much, so it's like a game of one-upsmanship with the bills they come up with in order to give them something to do.

Posted by: Vendette at April 05, 2020 12:23 PM (nRNOc)

23 I used to live in CA. Left in 1977 and I am glad I did.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2020 12:23 PM (mpXpK)

24 San Francisco is hardly unique. Downtown LA has become an out-of-control, squalid shithole with bums and crazy people residing on every sidewalk and under every bridge. They wander down the middle of the streets and appear to be officially immune to any attempt to enforce the law or maintain basic sanitary standards.

As a commuter into downtown, I watched this for the past 30 years. The explosion in the homeless population during the Obama years was startling.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 12:23 PM (XVuno)

25 I'm sure that the owners of the plush hotels will be compensated for the damage to their properties out of the taxpayers' coffers. And when it comes time to tell them to leave, nobody will try to claim that the hotel owners are hateful elitists for wanting to rent their rooms to "the rich."

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:23 PM (8HBLI)

26 But dat weather, tho!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:22 PM (NWiLs)

It's why they have so many homeless. They can survive the elements and the government will take care of them if they can just hold out long enough.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 05, 2020 12:23 PM (Zz0t1)

27 I am only allowed to post 2 sentences, if I post 3, I go to the dreaded Page 500. Does anyone know why?

Posted by: Akua Makana at April 05, 2020 12:24 PM (YkUJb)

28 The obvious correct answer is to move them into Nancy Pelosi's house.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 05, 2020 12:24 PM (ZbwAu)

29 Really sick of the 'I'm More Concerned Than YOU!!' conspicuous virtue signalling. Nobody's going to change their behavior because of your Facebook posts, idiots.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:25 PM (oVJmc)

30 California is my native state. It used to be able to do things like shift governorships from Reagan to Brown to Deukmejian. But now, it's stuck on stupid.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:26 PM (g8Yc+)

31 The city is planning to put thousands of physically and psychologically sick people into private hotel rooms, in some of the most luxurious hotels in San Francisco -- the InterContinental, Mark Hopkins, and The Palace. Occupants would receive three meals per day, hygiene products, and access to nurses.

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This wouldn't be necessary if only Starbucks would step up and expand the size of their Homeless Loafing Areas.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 12:26 PM (XVuno)

32 California is like the Titanic and the 'Rona is like the iceberg.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 05, 2020 12:26 PM (+y/Ru)

33 It's why they have so many homeless. They can survive the elements and the government will take care of them if they can just hold out long enough.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 05, 2020 12:23 PM (Zz0t1)

We have a lot of them here in FL for the same reason. However, we have somehow been able to avoid the sidewalk tent cities, human sewage and used needle problems that pervade places like San Francisco and Seattle.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:26 PM (NWiLs)

34 2 trips to grocery stores, same chain. 1st no idea what was going on but line went along the front then all the way to the back. Some was distancing but it wasn't much more than cart and person then cart.
Went to their other store and no where as many people in it, lots of checkout lines so only waited for 1 person ahead.
So only grabbed essentials for today and will try tomorrow 6am.

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:27 PM (ZCEU2)

35 My Mom and Dad were married at Camp Pendleton in the early 50's. They left CA permanently as soon as Dad was discharged from the Navy.

They felt CA was full of 'fruits and nuts', as they termed it, even back then and did not want to raise children there.

(CA Horde members excepted of course. )

Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 12:28 PM (Y4EXg)

36 Victor Davis Hanson has chronicled the destruction of the Central Valley, based on his firsthand experience of it.

It terrifies me that that could be the future for my own kids.

Btw, if you mention VDH's "Mexifornia" anywhere, u r a rayciss!

Posted by: mnw at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (Cssks)

37 They felt CA was full of 'fruits and nuts', as they termed it, even back then and did not want to raise children there.

(CA Horde members excepted of course. )
Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 12:28 PM (Y4EXg)

My dad used to call it "The land of the fruits, nuts and the whispering bush......PSSST!!! Hey buddy. Wanna buy a watch?"

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (Zz0t1)

38

Newsom claims that California has a budget surplus and actually props up deadbeat red states with it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (aKsyK)

39 After the "homeless" quarantine.

https://tinyurl.com/tz5l4c5

Posted by: PJ at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (qlTN9)

40 You people and your third-world issues. Have you no concern about the inconceivable hardships your betters are struggling with?

Gwenyth Paltrow opens up about the her struggle with finding satisfying intimacy during enforced quarantine with her two offspring:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/tpqku2q

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (DMUuz)

41 Over the past year, I have joined in many conversations with a few bon mots. But page 500 has stopped it every time.

Posted by: Akua Makana at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (YkUJb)

42 We have a lot of them here in FL for the same reason. However, we have somehow been able to avoid the sidewalk tent cities, human sewage and used needle problems that pervade places like San Francisco and Seattle.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:26 PM (NWiLs)

You still have some form of Republican government there. Cali, not so much.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 05, 2020 12:30 PM (Zz0t1)

43 My theory on why so many homeless, throw money at anything and you get more of it. Also besides the mentally ill and substance abuse people there is probably a large group who have no drive for personal advancement being told there is no reason for it and believing it.

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:30 PM (ZCEU2)

44 Over the past year, I have joined in many conversations with a few bon mots. But page 500 has stopped it every time.
Posted by: Akua Makana at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (YkUJb)

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Well there's your problem right there. You've exceeded the bon mot capacity of the thread.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 12:31 PM (XVuno)

45 ~~Mars~~ California ain't the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact it's ~~cold~~ dumb as hell

Posted by: Elton John at April 05, 2020 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

46 29 Really sick of the 'I'm More Concerned Than YOU!!' conspicuous virtue signalling. Nobody's going to change their behavior because of your Facebook posts, idiots.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:25 PM (oVJmc)

The self-righteous smugness on FB is hysterical. Little totalitarians, all of them.

Posted by: Ladyl at April 05, 2020 12:31 PM (TdMsT)

47 Gwenyth Paltrow opens up about the her struggle with finding satisfying intimacy during enforced quarantine with her two offspring:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/tpqku2q
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (DMUuz)

Oh, cry me a river, you insignificant cuunt.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 05, 2020 12:31 PM (Zz0t1)

48 Now? My sense is that Californians cling to their memories of what it once was...enjoying the leisurely life of the ocean and the deserts and the mountains and the vineyards, and carefully ignoring the decay that is all around them.

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You're right CBD. If they can afford to.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:32 PM (EZebt)

49 My theory on why so many homeless, throw money at anything and you get more of it. Also besides the mentally ill and substance abuse people there is probably a large group who have no drive for personal advancement being told there is no reason for it and believing it.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:30 PM (ZCEU2)

Why bother when they can go Puttin' On The Ritz.

Posted by: DR.WTF at April 05, 2020 12:32 PM (aS1PU)

50 I've begun my boycott of China and now doing the legwork on what new brands I can purchase to replace some of my stuff that were manufactured elsewhere.

I noticed one company that sells bathroom scales I was looking into removed the "made in China" and instead says "manufactured in the far east."

And what far east would that be, dickweeds? Maine?

Posted by: Two Weeks Saying China Is ASSHOE at April 05, 2020 12:32 PM (+dsLj)

51 Prager is sure alot is Democrat dictatorship having no Republicans to even wory about in numbers. Every Democrat idea is approved 100% of the time.

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:32 PM (ZCEU2)

52 But page 500 has stopped it every time.

Posted by: Akua Makana at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (YkUJb)

Take a look at the formatting by clicking on the "< >" in the menu. That may show you what is going on. And then try turning off some of your browser's formatting apps....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 12:33 PM (dLLD6)

53 As I am flat on my back, recovering from Covid-19, I am compelled to join in at my favorite place. So please forgive me if I can only do it 2 sentences at a time.

Posted by: Akua Makana at April 05, 2020 12:33 PM (YkUJb)

54 The self-righteous smugness on FB is hysterical. Little totalitarians, all of them.
Posted by: Ladyl

--

I'm a bit surprised you haven't responded:

"Jawohl, mein Herr!!"

(Good morning btw.)

Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 12:34 PM (Y4EXg)

55 Or, as Joe Cocker's band would put it, fry me a liver.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:34 PM (g8Yc+)

56 So here comes NBC with the new theory about why the death rate for this disease is still so low, given all their whoo-hawing about how we were about to all die - US deaths from Corona are, get this, "not getting reported" ala China...

This will be the new tactic by the media - you can't go back to work, you can never return to life as you knew it, because who knows how many people are "really dying!" Unless Demento Joe is elected - then everything will immediately return to life as we knew it of course.

Posted by: Boswell at April 05, 2020 12:34 PM (32YRo)

57 29 Really sick of the 'I'm More Concerned Than YOU!!' conspicuous virtue signalling. Nobody's going to change their behavior because of your Facebook posts, idiots.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:25 PM (oVJmc)

Naw. Maine is down East.

Posted by: Ladyl at April 05, 2020 12:34 PM (TdMsT)

58 25 I'm sure that the owners of the plush hotels will be compensated for the damage to their properties out of the taxpayers' coffers. And when it comes time to tell them to leave, nobody will try to claim that the hotel owners are hateful elitists for wanting to rent their rooms to "the rich."
Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:23 PM (8HBLI)

That's when the claims of squatter's rights will come, along with hundreds of court filings. That should be amusing, only because I don't live there.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at April 05, 2020 12:34 PM (Wm5SB)

59 I thought the Wuhan Flu was the solution to the homeless problem.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 05, 2020 12:34 PM (h1jJh)

60 I'm sure that the owners of the plush hotels will be compensated for the damage to their properties out of the taxpayers' coffers. And when it comes time to tell them to leave, nobody will try to claim that the hotel owners are hateful elitists for wanting to rent their rooms to "the rich."
Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:23 PM (8HBLI)

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*rushes to report PennaLady to the Human Rights Commission*

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:34 PM (EZebt)

61 "Newsom claims that California has a budget surplus and actually props up deadbeat red states with it"

it would be interesting to see his numbers ... CA has Silicon Valley (supported by BigGov free research) and they have Fruit and Nuts (and lots of other horticulture) ... but also get to use unlimited slaves that work cheap, as long as they get fed subsidized welfare and Medicaid for their whole (illegal) extended family.

There is also the military, and so much shipping, Hollywood ... do they count the illegal drug and human trafficking?

Posted by: illiniwek at April 05, 2020 12:35 PM (Cus5s)

62 Fruits and nuts also heard, steers, queers, and hot rods. But that's totally unacceptable.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 05, 2020 12:35 PM (yTd+z)

63 You're right CBD. If they can afford to.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:32 PM (EZebt)

I drove the PCH between Santa Barbara and L.A. last Independence Day. It was wall-to-wall expensive toys...campers and pick-ups and RVs and on and on...

It was conspicuous consumption on a grand scale.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 12:36 PM (dLLD6)

64 Also besides the mentally ill and substance abuse people there is probably a large group who have no drive for personal advancement being told there is no reason for it and believing it.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:30 PM (ZCEU2)

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A disturbingly large segment of the population requires a foot in the back to do anything productive. Hunger and shelter are the foot (with apologies to Dean Wormer). Take away the foot and this is what you get.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 12:36 PM (XVuno)

65 Kind of like Rome just before the fall. Small number of rich living a hedonistic life style and a great number of poor. Unfortunately, the rest of us will have to bail their silly asses out. Maybe it is time to redraw state lines so that big cities cannot destroy everything. NYC, Chicago, LA, SF, Baltimore, Atlanta, Seattle, Portland (to name a few) screw it up for everyone.

Posted by: oldgeezer at April 05, 2020 12:36 PM (Wb5vb)

66 Thanks, CBD. Will try.

Posted by: Akua Makana at April 05, 2020 12:36 PM (YkUJb)

67 The best option for California is the Luthor Plan.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:36 PM (oVJmc)

68 Unless Demento Joe is elected - then everything will immediately return to life as we knew it of course.
Posted by: Boswell at April 05, 2020 12:34 PM

As VP, it will be mine! Mine, I tell you! I advise you to tread lightly, less a turret of vitriol is unleashed!

Posted by: Stacey Abrams at April 05, 2020 12:37 PM (DMUuz)

69 Really sick of the 'I'm More Concerned Than YOU!!' because I ignore reality better than you conspicuous virtue signalling.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 05, 2020 12:38 PM (+y/Ru)

70 I can smell the burning times. Fire is not choosy.

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 12:38 PM (WX+x0)

71 Old Geezer, they become city/states like Athens? Very interesting idea.

Posted by: Akua Makana at April 05, 2020 12:38 PM (YkUJb)

72 As VP, it will be mine! Mine, I tell you! I advise you to tread lightly, less a turret of vitriol is unleashed!
Posted by: Stacey Abrams at April 05, 2020 12:37 PM (DMUuz)
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A turret?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:38 PM (g8Yc+)

73 As a native Californian, left there in the summer of '75 and never looked back, San Diego of the 60's and early 70's was a great place to live. Us kids rode our bikes all over the place with no supervision. We could hop on the bus and ride down to Mission Beach with our surf boards.

There was Balboa Park with all the various museums and the largest zoo in the world, at the time. There was camping in the desert and mountains.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't recognize the place now. In fact, did a Google Earth search of my old neighborhood and recognized nothing except the house we were imminent domained out of for the 805, and some of the streets. None of the old stores are left and the little league fields at the corner of Home Ave and Spillman drive are no more, replaced with a "Headstart" facility.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 12:39 PM (R5lpX)

74 You still have some form of Republican government there. Cali, not so much.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 05, 2020 12:30 PM (Zz0t1)

This is true.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:39 PM (NWiLs)

75 I like to eat my poop in the morning with a sprinkle of Cheerios

Posted by: Kurt at April 05, 2020 12:39 PM (SDo8L)

76 I cannot imagine that the Mark Hopkins, etc want to take in the homeless. They would be shitting in the hallways just out of habit.

Posted by: JAS at April 05, 2020 12:40 PM (2BZBZ)

77 38

Newsom claims that California has a budget surplus and actually props up deadbeat red states with it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (aKsyK)

He's lying sucker of cock. It's an open secret that Cali has been cooking their books for a loooooong time.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:40 PM (NWiLs)

78 Kurt, that's a great idea. Shoot them.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 12:40 PM (XVuno)

79 From the previous thread:
"Like this?

https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/5754815-china-is-asshole
Posted by: OregonMuse"

Thank you OM. Order placed.

Posted by: Boxx Culvert, bouncin' through potholes at April 05, 2020 12:40 PM (wmfhQ)

80 As VP, it will be mine! Mine, I tell you! I advise you to tread lightly, less a turret of vitriol is unleashed!
Posted by: Stacey Abrams at April 05, 2020 12:37 PM (DMUuz)
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A turret?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:38 PM (g8Yc+)

Raaacccisssst. You can't criticize even autocucumber mistakes made by certain groups. Report to re-education camp.

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:41 PM (8HBLI)

81 Kurt's mind pooped again. And he's all out ot TP.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:41 PM (oVJmc)

82 CA is going to give our tax money to illegals small businesses. Federal relief dollars need to be cut off.

Posted by: Regular joe at April 05, 2020 12:41 PM (6/uwW)

83 He's lying sucker of cock. It's an open secret that Cali has been cooking their books for a loooooong time.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:40 PM (NWiLs)
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He's got a briefcase full of IOUs, just like Harry and Lloyd.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:41 PM (g8Yc+)

84 . . . that's a great idea. Shoot them.
Posted by: Cicero

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Damn it C, beat me to it.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 12:42 PM (Y4EXg)

85 I take it there are Republicans, but its 8 wolves and 2 sheep voting for dinner menu.

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:42 PM (ZCEU2)

86 They threw money at the problem, but the problem grew.

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Well we know that the politicians bank accounts grew.

And that's the important thing.

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 05, 2020 12:43 PM (T09ml)

87 Actually, one if the characteristics I have found common among natives like Mrs and her parents, they do not retain memories. Over 30 years I have often asked them "what was here before this...?" indicating some building or landmark, and they always shrug their shoulders.

I remember buildings etc that have been torn down, replaced, or rebuilt, and they tend to forget. People on the East coast have a much longer sense of place than these people.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:43 PM (EZebt)

88 Say, Skip, what rules set do you use for your miniatures games?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:43 PM (g8Yc+)

89 *memories of places

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:43 PM (EZebt)

90 What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2020 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)

91 I think Kurt just told us he's a homeless bum from San Fran. With an internet connection.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 05, 2020 12:45 PM (q3gwH)

92 Kurt, look up 'moral hazard' and compare it to California's policies on the homeless.

You won't understand it, though.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:46 PM (oVJmc)

93 he's a homeless bum from San Fran. With an internet connection.
Posted by: Tom Servo

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Paid for by the taxpayers. It's his right, don't 'cha know.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 12:46 PM (Y4EXg)

94 "I've begun my boycott of China and now doing the legwork on what new brands I can purchase to replace some of my stuff that were manufactured elsewhere."

this is a worthy endeavor. Beyond worthy. Well done, 2WeeksSaying.

Something the horde could Moron Source?

Posted by: Boxx Culvert, bouncin' through potholes at April 05, 2020 12:46 PM (wmfhQ)

95 I think Kurt just told us he's a homeless bum from San Fran. With an internet connection.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 05, 2020 12:45 PM (q3gwH)

And a hankering for a stay at a 5-star hotel, freeloader style.

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:46 PM (8HBLI)

96 I think Kurt just told us he's a homeless bum from San Fran. With an internet connection.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 05, 2020 12:45 PM (q3gwH)

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Free wifi is a fundamental human right.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 12:47 PM (XVuno)

97 I remember buildings etc that have been torn down, replaced, or rebuilt, and they tend to forget. People on the East coast have a much longer sense of place than these people.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:43 PM (EZebt)

It's also possible that all of the people who retain memories have left, and the only ones who've remained are those who don't have the ability to realize how much things have changed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 05, 2020 12:47 PM (q3gwH)

98 Kinda OT but had to share.

My oldest son's two boys have been home, and this week the oldest (6 y.o.) called the youngest (2 y.o.) a "natural disaster"

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 05, 2020 12:47 PM (T09ml)

99 None of the old stores are left and the little league fields at the corner of Home Ave and Spillman drive are no more, replaced with a "Headstart" facility.
Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 12:39 PM (R5lpX)

"Headstart". What a scam.

A guy I know, who is a slum lord and one of the worst, also works as a community director (whatever that is) at the local "Headstart" in the area of his slumdom.

He laughs all the time about the baby momma's who drop their kids off as the ho's and hood rats he also rents to at over market prices for his rat holes as their credit is so bad they can't live anywhere else and can't even qualify to get into the government housing reservations or any section 8 properties.

He has also bragged about banging a few for the rent and I told him once he better be careful lest I tell his old lady.

He ain't the least bit ashamed.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 05, 2020 12:47 PM (Z+IKu)

100 A turret?
Posted by: Captain Obvious

I think that's a small turd.
Or would that be a turdlette?

Posted by: Bruce at April 05, 2020 12:47 PM (vd8XM)

101 My oldest son's two boys have been home, and this week the oldest (6 y.o.) called the youngest (2 y.o.) a "natural disaster"

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 05, 2020 12:47 PM (T09ml)

That's really funny!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:48 PM (NWiLs)

102 CA is a waste of money.

Posted by: klaftern at April 05, 2020 12:48 PM (RuIsu)

103 A very old set Empire III, played at convention Glory and Carnage that I like but its a computer ruled game that tracks movement casualty and fire capability

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:48 PM (ZCEU2)

104 My oldest son's two boys have been home, and this week the oldest (6 y.o.) called the youngest (2 y.o.) a "natural disaster"

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 05, 2020 12:47 PM (T09ml)
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That's hilarious!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:49 PM (g8Yc+)

105 Today, ABC was coming through on my antenna, so I was watching local news. Nothing but Corona. Stephanopolous (?) was next with Rahm and Christie as guests. Goodness, gracious, the work is never done. President Trump ignored all the perfect advice and advisors that former Pres Obama had in place for pan/epidemics.

Dear Heavens to Betsy.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 05, 2020 12:50 PM (MIKMs)

106 I love being the exception to Kurt's rules

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:50 PM (EZebt)

107
Newsom claims that California has a budget surplus and actually props up deadbeat red states with it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

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California Dems are very proud that the state has no deficit. Meanwhile, there's the matter of its debt -- and the debt of many cities.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 05, 2020 12:50 PM (oGNNA)

108 I'd like California to explain the difference between an out-of-control homeless problem you spend billions on and one you don't.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:51 PM (oVJmc)

109 My oldest son's two boys have been home, and this week the oldest (6 y.o.) called the youngest (2 y.o.) a "natural disaster"

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 05, 2020 12:47 PM (T09ml)

Already thinking with the Horde mind. I like it!

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:51 PM (8HBLI)

110 I'd like California to explain the difference between an out-of-control homeless problem you spend billions on and one you don't.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

"Something" was done

Posted by: Bruce at April 05, 2020 12:51 PM (vd8XM)

111 103 There are many ways to aid solo gaming, random events, and actions but so far haven't and just play each as I see that side.

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)

112 FS1 is once again having professional drivers playing iRacing today.

I just saw on the chyron the following headline: English Premier League players turn down 30% pay cut during coronavirus shutdown, player's union cites concerns that the government would lose an estimated $245 million in tax revenue, which it needs to fund health services.

Posted by: Methos at April 05, 2020 12:52 PM (kOpft)

113 I remember buildings etc that have been torn down,
replaced, or rebuilt, and they tend to forget. People on the East coast
have a much longer sense of place than these people.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:43 PM (EZebt)

That is an interesting observation. Living in the moment, planning just for the pleasures of the next weekend will tend to do that...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 12:52 PM (dLLD6)

114 Wife was going to send a Easter type of jigsaw puzzle to her nieces.
2 to 3 weeks on delivery. They are that backed up with orders

Posted by: Bruce at April 05, 2020 12:52 PM (vd8XM)

115 Accounting trick: Here's the debt.

No it isn't.

Alrighty then.

Posted by: klaftern at April 05, 2020 12:53 PM (RuIsu)

116 Amazon is giving away Dickens A Christmas Carol for free today.

https://tinyurl.com/wtbustv

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2020 12:54 PM (mpXpK)

117 I love being the exception to Kurt's rules

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:50 PM (EZebt)

Heh...I lived there for 20 years...I consider myself a bit more than a passive observer.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 12:54 PM (dLLD6)

118 Accounting trick: Here's the debt.

No it isn't.

Alrighty then.
Posted by: klaftern

Hmmm. Let me write that down.

...State of Illinois...

Posted by: Bruce at April 05, 2020 12:54 PM (vd8XM)

119 116 Amazon is giving away Dickens A Christmas Carol for free today.

It's PUBLIC DOMAIN. Thanks a shitload, Bozos.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:55 PM (oVJmc)

120 California ain't dreamin it's way out of the debt load it has.

I have fond memories of growing up there but Texas has become my forever home.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 12:55 PM (BQEAt)

121 I love being the exception to Kurt's rules

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:50 PM (EZebt)
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Wait...Kurt has rules? I thiught he just made shit up as he went along.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 12:56 PM (g8Yc+)

122 TravelingMan, indeed, San Diego in the 60s/70s was paradise, was lucky to enjoy it also.

It's still remarkably nice - and 90% of the decline is a direct result of growth, not of any of the pathologies that get all the attention.

Driving around this morning, it was like 20 or more years ago. That is, very quick from place to place, no traffic, on the excellent* roads.

Much of the life you had as a kid here is still entirely possible - but it doesn't happen, not because of idiotic government policies state-wide, or lazy/misinformed/self-dealing voters, but because of whatever one calls the new mindset with parents (OMG keep the kids inside can't let them have a life must have them programmed into 1,000 organized activities OMG OMG there are people-eating space aliens outside!!!).

* the basic layout and design are excellent, but 1) the growth in population and traffic, and 2) the erosion in public service mindset and quality of governance - once excellent - has allowed the *condition* of the roads in many cases to resemble what I found to be common in the northeast when I first went back there, and which was literally exotic and unknown in the CA of my yute

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 12:56 PM (El6T/)

123 That is my theory. Over the years a lot of gas stations have disappeared, sometimes without my awareness or notice. So I pull up for gas, and my FiL says, there's no gas station here anymore!

Well, when did that happen?

*FiL shrugs shoulders*

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:56 PM (EZebt)

124 Newsom claims that California has a budget surplus and actually props up deadbeat red states with it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (aKsyK)

New York seems to believe that they support the entire nation, never mind just the red states. I think this goes a long way toward explaining why they feel entitled to every other state's vents and masks (while still supporting exporting the same to places like Germany and France).

Posted by: CN at April 05, 2020 12:56 PM (ONvIw)

125 The way CalPERS' books are cooked would make Enron's Jeff Skilling blush.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:57 PM (NWiLs)

126 Amazon is giving away Dickens A Christmas Carol for free today.

It's PUBLIC DOMAIN. Thanks a shitload, Bozos.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:55 PM (oVJmc)

Dickens is my favorite author so I went to check it out. It has a free sample of some other book in it. In other words, a sales gimmick. I do appreciate the original link from Vic though.

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:58 PM (8HBLI)

127 Texas became home after Katrina soaked my house and job site (lakeview). I really do thank God for floating us out of N.O. and to F. Worth. The wife would have been in the parade seen for sure.
Often remarked to her that Katrina was a blessing.

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 12:59 PM (WX+x0)

128 The way CalPERS' books are cooked would make Enron's Jeff Skilling blush.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:57 PM (NWiLs)

What are you talking about? What's wrong with planning a 12% return every year...forever?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 12:59 PM (dLLD6)

129 Kurt is rather the ignorant, illiterate dick, is he not?

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 05, 2020 12:59 PM (T09ml)

130
Amazon is giving away Dickens A Christmas Carol for free today.

It's PUBLIC DOMAIN. Thanks a shitload, Bozos.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

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Plus, that's just the Kindle edition. Paper copies are going for actual $.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 05, 2020 01:00 PM (oGNNA)

131 125 The way CalPERS' books are cooked would make Enron's Jeff Skilling blush.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:57 PM (NWiLs)

The Port Authorities print bonds, to pay for bonds, then buy cash (with the bonds) to pay investors interest.

Ponzi Scheme.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 05, 2020 01:00 PM (JFO2v)

132 As always, it's entertaining to read the sometimes extravagant takes on CA. I love regionalism - well, at least accents and cultural differences and things, contra the homogenization of everything that wealth and travel and communications have brought - and quite willing to take the bigotry and nonsense that come along with it.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:00 PM (El6T/)

133 Ha! yah, they're not akshually rools either!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 01:01 PM (EZebt)

134 Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:58 PM (8HBLI)

https://www.gutenberg.org

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 01:01 PM (dLLD6)

135 The way CalPERS' books are cooked would make Enron's Jeff Skilling blush.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:57 PM (NWiLs)

What are you talking about? What's wrong with planning a 12% return every year...forever?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 12:59 PM (dLLD6)

Makes sense to me.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at April 05, 2020 01:01 PM (kOpft)

136 Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 12:56 PM (El6T/)

My brother went back out there for his Navy bootcamp. He told me that a lot had changed in just the few years between when we moved and when he went back. Places like the apple orchards in Julien were razed and banks of condos put up instead. Spring Valley was totally different.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 01:02 PM (R5lpX)

137 128 The way CalPERS' books are cooked would make Enron's Jeff Skilling blush.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 12:57 PM (NWiLs)

What are you talking about? What's wrong with planning a 12% return every year...forever?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 12:59 PM (dLLD6)

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When I left civil service I took out my pension in immediate lump sum. Still not sure that was smart, but we will know for sure in hindsight.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 01:03 PM (EZebt)

138 100
A turret?

Posted by: Captain Obvious

I think that's a small turd.

Or would that be a turdlette?

nonsense. everyone knows a turdlette is a female turdlar. turdlar, of course, is a portmanteau of "turd" + "burglar".

Posted by: Anachronda at April 05, 2020 01:04 PM (kf5Ci)

139 the bigotry and nonsense that come along with it.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:00 PM (El6T/)

It's not bigotry, and it certainly isn't nonsense. I lived in California for a long time, and I love it. I was sad when I left, and I am sadder when I return and see how far it has fallen.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 01:04 PM (dLLD6)

140 Grew up in HB. Hadn't been back for years. Went back last August to take Dad's ashes to the ocean via Catalina. Flew into Long Beach. It's a nice little airport. Stayed with cousins in Lakewood and Aunt and Uncle in HB. It sure has changed. The areas they live in are still ok, but a far cry from what I remember from 75 when we left.

Posted by: Infidel at April 05, 2020 01:05 PM (vF+fs)

141 From despair I haven't even bothered to look at so-called state finances in a while - I assume any "surplus" is 90% the Trump Boom, and 10% accounting fraud?

CalPERS - assume there's lots of shenanigans there, and since not connected have never paid it much attention.

Guess I should see whether the latest local pageant of mismanagement and mediocrity, an initiative to raise hotel taxes (the most loathsome and infuriating kind of tax), passed (it requires 2/3 vote to pass, one of the few guard-rails thankfully still left from the prior, now-distant era of very good, prudent local government).

Oh, you see, they needed MOAR money to fix more roads - funny, for decades, the best roads on earth outside Switzerland didn't require ANY special taxes. Oh, and also to expand - or something, not sure what they can even do, there's no room left between the bay, the ballpark, and the existing hotels - the Convention Center (in order to keep ComiCon!!! - the precious!!).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:06 PM (El6T/)

142 What are you talking about? What's wrong with planning a 12% return every year...forever?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 12:59 PM (dLLD6)

Oh right, sorry. Totally reasonable, legitimate, and above-board.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 01:06 PM (NWiLs)

143 "It is unsustainable, and the exploding homeless (bums, vagrants, addicts mostly, with very few truly homeless) problem is simply the most obvious signal. When it fails is the question...not, 'if.'"

The Exploding Homeless would be a good name for a band.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 01:06 PM (t+qrx)

144 Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 12:58 PM (8HBLI)

https://www.gutenberg.org
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2020 01:01 PM (dLLD6)

Thanks for the heads-up, but I beat you to it. I've downloaded LOTS of books from there.

My turn: Do you know about LibriVox that has free audio recordings of classics? It's hit-or-miss, but some very high quality stuff is available.

https://librivox.org

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 01:06 PM (8HBLI)

145 New Orleans moved their homeless into the Hilton in the central business district. Meals and standard services. Don't know if the rooms have a mini bar or not. What could go wrong?

Posted by: Javems at April 05, 2020 01:07 PM (ofIwF)

146 My brother went back out there for his Navy bootcamp. He told me that a lot had changed in just the few years between when we moved and when he went back. Places like the apple orchards in Julien were razed and banks of condos put up instead. Spring Valley was totally different.
Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 01:02 PM (R5lpX)

There are still *a lot* of apple orchards in Julian, Condos, not so much.

Posted by: DR.WTF at April 05, 2020 01:07 PM (aS1PU)

147 CBD, wasn't referring to you, I know you had a CA background of sorts. Lots of bigotry and nonsense from others, forever, but that's characteristic, of all areas, about other areas, among certain people.

Like I said, it's merely amusing, can't be taken seriously.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:07 PM (El6T/)

148 The Exploding Homeless would be a good name for a band.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 01:06 PM (t+qrx)

sadly there is no detonator

Posted by: CN at April 05, 2020 01:08 PM (ONvIw)

149
As always, it's entertaining to read the sometimes extravagant takes on
CA. I love regionalism - well, at least accents and cultural
differences and things, contra the homogenization of everything that
wealth and travel and communications hav
As always, it's entertaining to read the sometimes extravagant takes on
CA.
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LOL because when corporate gypsies were infecting my little area of Northern Illinois, I could deal with West Coasties on a reasonable level. East Coasties were different species altogether. I guess we weren't worthy. Corporate types wanted to know speech therapists to get rid of their Southern accents, but were pretty easy to interact with as reasonable people.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 05, 2020 01:08 PM (MIKMs)

150 Hey, we got a late start. A little time and we will equal and surpass California! Imagine a California with rain and water!

Posted by: Washington State at April 05, 2020 01:08 PM (e1mEI)

151 The Exploding Homeless would be a good name for a band.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 01:06 PM (t+qrx)
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Entertaining, if messy.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 01:08 PM (g8Yc+)

152 Our state can not run up debt. Spending has to be within income (taxes, fees, etc.) or with bonds. We just have to wait for roads or bridges or other improvements. So much for red states being bums.
Of course some states say we are poor.
Poor with a balanced budget.

Posted by: Case at April 05, 2020 01:09 PM (yvDbr)

153 We have a tent city where 45, 59, and 288 meet. It pisses me off.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at April 05, 2020 01:10 PM (rWZ8Y)

154 Guess I should see whether the latest local pageant of mismanagement and mediocrity, an initiative to raise hotel taxes (the most loathsome and infuriating kind of tax), passed (it requires 2/3 vote to pass, one of the few guard-rails thankfully still left from the prior, now-distant era of very good, prudent local government).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:06 PM (El6T/)

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We laugh about the hotel tax when there are no tourists around to hear.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 01:10 PM (EZebt)

155 147 CBD, wasn't referring to you, I know you had a CA background of sorts. Lots of bigotry and nonsense from others, forever, but that's characteristic, of all areas, about other areas, among certain people.

Like I said, it's merely amusing, can't be taken seriously.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:07 PM (El6T/)

So the gross mismanagement, shit alerts, massive homeless populations, and ooen cultural/moral degeneracy (see, e.g. Folsom Street Fair) are just figments of my unsophisticated, provincial rube imagination?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 01:11 PM (NWiLs)

156 Do the Muni's finance their own debt by purchasing their own bonds in fact? Or maybe in a big circle yerk?

Posted by: klaftern at April 05, 2020 01:11 PM (RuIsu)

157 I'd like California to explain the difference between an out-of-control homeless problem you spend billions on and one you don't.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 12:51 PM (oVJmc)

It's like with roaches, if you spend money on making it difficult for roaches to live (i.e., like starving and/or poisoning them), you get rid of the roaches. Most of them, anyway.

If you spend money on feeding and making comfy housing for the roaches, you get more roaches.

Leading to lots of roach poop and used needles on your sidewalks.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 05, 2020 01:12 PM (hku12)

158 We laugh about the hotel tax when there are no tourists around to hear.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 01:10 PM (EZebt)

gonna be lots of laughing in the days to come, I guess.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 05, 2020 01:12 PM (q3gwH)

159 Like Dr WTF said, probably just a small error - Julian doesn't have condos, but a zillion have gone up in other areas, including Spring Valley - though that area has gone from fairly pleasant low-density/lots of properties with orchards and horses to, well, mixed, with some parts - uh - places you mostly would go in the day-time.

As I said above, GROWTH - which is how people have jobs and advancement, and how more housing is built, which keeps prices lower - all the normal good things involve growth. But growth, much more than CA-specific pathologies, are what have changed SD.

LA exploded in the late 40s and 50s, extending to perimeter areas in the 60s - Orange County stayed fairly sleepy until the 80s. San Diego was always very different, much quieter and slower. There's still a big difference, but San Diego is more like the nicer outlying areas of the LA megaplex in the 80s than the way it used to be.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:12 PM (El6T/)

160 Provincial Rubes would be a good name for a band.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 01:12 PM (g8Yc+)

161 Our state can not run up debt. Spending has to be within income (taxes, fees, etc.) or with bonds.
Posted by: Case at April 05, 2020 01:09 PM (yvDbr)

What state is that?

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 01:13 PM (t+qrx)

162 This sounds like a bailout for the flagging hotel industry during this period of non-travel.

And, since they are doing it because of the COVID-19 "crisis", they will probably be using our federal emergency funds to pay for it!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2020 01:14 PM (CjFDo)

163 160 Provincial Rubes would be a good name for a band.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 01:12 PM (g8Yc+)

Country prog-rock fusion

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 01:14 PM (NWiLs)

164 No, Insomniac, but lots of other nonsense one reads here is close to that. It'd be incredibly tedious and invidious to pick out examples, but they're standard fare.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:14 PM (El6T/)

165 Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:07 PM (El6T/)

So the gross mismanagement, shit alerts, massive homeless populations, and ooen cultural/moral degeneracy (see, e.g. Folsom Street Fair) are just figments of my unsophisticated, provincial rube imagination?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 01:11 PM (NWiLs)

You don't understand, man.

The seals. The wind. The surf.

Not to mention Comicon.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 05, 2020 01:15 PM (hku12)

166 There are still *a lot* of apple orchards in Julian, Condos, not so much.
Posted by: DR.WTF at April 05, 2020 01:07 PM (aS1PU)

Just going by what my brother told me. As I haven't been back since we left 45 yrs ago, I really don't know.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 01:15 PM (R5lpX)

167
Just before the whole Chinese Lung AIDS thing started, I ended up having to move back to Cali from Texas, which sucks ass because fucking California.

Luckily, I'm stuck indoors and don't have to deal with California shit yet, but I'm dreading it when things get back to normal. Plus, I'm back with family after many years, so that makes up for it. Somewhat.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 05, 2020 01:15 PM (EGyGV)

168 Country prog-rock fusion
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 01:14 PM (NWiLs)
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Well, Steeleye Span did it with British Isles traditional music...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 01:15 PM (g8Yc+)

169 @161 Alabama.

Posted by: Case at April 05, 2020 01:16 PM (yvDbr)

170 If you're referring to the local hotel tax proposal, Chi-town, no, that pre-dated the virus by quite a bit, and of course no federal $$ were involved. It's all about fleecing the tourists to add to the oceans of money the city already has, which isn't enough of course. CO did something like that in the 90s, with rental cars, and I never have been back, after going there every year for winter sports.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:16 PM (El6T/)

171 Our state can not run up debt. Spending has to be within income (taxes, fees, etc.) or with bonds.

Bonds are debt

Posted by: cool breeze at April 05, 2020 01:17 PM (UGKMd)

172 First person I know that has the wuhu flu. Dad of one of my kids schoolmates. He owns a trucking company, so natch he was high likelihood.
In his 40's, healthy, mild so far.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 05, 2020 01:17 PM (r+sAi)

173 I lived in CA from age 8 to 14, 5 years in Whittier, which is SE of LA, and the rest in Saratoga, up in the Bay area. What a great place it was to grow up. Plenty of adventures and great vacations.

So sad to see what's become of a once beautiful state.

Posted by: George V at April 05, 2020 01:17 PM (U2Tva)

174 NYC, San Francisco, and LA should draw blood from their homeless populations and give that to their sick seeing as how NONE of the freaking people get the Corona virus! They're obviously immune and they must have super powers to ward off any illness!

Posted by: Boswell at April 05, 2020 01:17 PM (32YRo)

175 ITC, you're back? SB again?

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:17 PM (El6T/)

176 Our state can not run up debt. Spending has to be within income (taxes, fees, etc.) or with bonds.
Posted by: Case at April 05, 2020 01:09 PM (yvDbr)

What state is that?
Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 01:13 PM (t+qrx)

Missouri and Illinois live side by side. People often complain about services that are not available in Missouri, and yet are in abundance in Illinois.

Missouri has $0 debt. Illinois is in the tens of billions.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 05, 2020 01:18 PM (hku12)

177 I had a dude from Finland claim they have no homeless. I told him sure you do, they're just buried under 6ft of snow and you don't find them.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 05, 2020 01:18 PM (9Om/r)

178 170 If you're referring to the local hotel tax proposal, Chi-town, no, that pre-dated the virus by quite a bit, and of course no federal $$ were involved. It's all about fleecing the tourists to add to the oceans of money the city already has, which isn't enough of course. CO did something like that in the 90s, with rental cars, and I never have been back, after going there every year for winter sports.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:16 PM (El6T/)

But it's not coming out of our pockets!!!
Local Taxpayers Who Can't Think Why Tourism is Down

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 01:18 PM (8HBLI)

179 Like I said.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:19 PM (El6T/)

180 My flashlight is at the end of the tunnel

and the batteries are running low

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 01:19 PM (rpxSz)

181 You don't understand, man.

The seals. The wind. The surf.

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The sea lions are an attraction only from a distance where they're not sinking your dock and blasting seal shit all over the side of your boat.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:19 PM (XVuno)

182 One other point about California that might have a lot to do with its homeless problem, as Prager also says if the weather wasn't so nice the taxes would make him move.

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 01:19 PM (ZCEU2)

183 67 The best option for California is the Luthor Plan.

Lex was a genius. An evil genius, but you gotta admit that he was years ahead of the rest of us with a plan to sink California.

Posted by: MrObvious at April 05, 2020 01:19 PM (5prN7)

184 Kidlet needs rubbing alcohol. I found a bottle that has expiration date of 1998. I don't think rubbing alcohol goes bad.

Posted by: Infidel at April 05, 2020 01:20 PM (vF+fs)

185 That is my theory. Over the years a lot of gas stations have disappeared, sometimes without my awareness or notice. So I pull up for gas, and my FiL says, there's no gas station here anymore!

Well, when did that happen?

*FiL shrugs shoulders*
Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 05, 2020 12:56 PM (EZebt)

Here in New Jersey there are fewer corner or Main Street gas stations than there used ti be--they've all moved to the highways. The highways are where all the action is and all the stations have convenience stores attached.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 05, 2020 01:20 PM (CqE5x)

186 I thought about moving my antique shop to SF in the late eighties

then I discovered that people in SF had the taste you could die from.

Stayed in Dallas

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 01:22 PM (rpxSz)

187 You don't understand, man.

The seals. The wind. The surf.

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The sea lions are an attraction only from a distance where they're not sinking your dock and blasting seal shit all over the side of your boat.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:19 PM (XVuno)

The one time I was in San Diego, I was amazed at how much the stunk, even if you never got very close to them.

Or maybe that was the people.

Either way, San Diego seemed to me no better than LA or San Franny. Just slightly nicer weather.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 05, 2020 01:22 PM (hku12)

188 I lived in CA from age 8 to 14, 5 years in Whittier, which is SE of LA,

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HOMIE! The first school I ever attended was West Whittier Elementary on Norwalk Blvd. And it's still there.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:22 PM (XVuno)

189
Prager also says if the weather wasn't so nice the taxes would make him move.
Posted by: Skip

The weather is nice in prison.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 05, 2020 01:23 PM (aKsyK)

190 The sea lions are an attraction only from a distance where they're not sinking your dock and blasting seal shit all over the side of your boat.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:19 PM (XVuno)
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Astoria, OR, has a problem with fat lazy creatures lolling about in public places, being obnoxious to locals and causing the city to spend a lot of money trying to deal with them.

And they have sea lion problems, too.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 01:23 PM (g8Yc+)

191 The seal problem is part federal, part CA idiocy. Two separate "protection" acts that are beyond absurd.

With luck, with two terms, Two Scoops can do more to dismantle "environmental" idiocy (trying break CA's stranglehold of stoopid on vehicle emissions is a great start).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:23 PM (El6T/)

192 And they have sea lion problems, too.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 01:23 PM (g8Yc+)

LOL

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:23 PM (XVuno)

193 Kidlet needs rubbing alcohol. I found a bottle that has expiration date of 1998. I don't think rubbing alcohol goes bad.
Posted by: Infidel at April 05, 2020 01:20 PM (vF+fs)

Taste it and find out!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 05, 2020 01:24 PM (hku12)

194 190 The sea lions are an attraction only from a distance where they're not sinking your dock and blasting seal shit all over the side of your boat.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:19 PM (XVuno)

sea lions > strippers

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 01:24 PM (rpxSz)

195 The sea lions are an attraction only from a distance where they're not sinking your dock and blasting seal shit all over the side of your boat.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:19 PM (XVuno)

Or you're out fishing in the bay and one latches onto that live Anchovy you used for bait. Cut your line quick or you will have an empty reel because you sure as hell ain't reeling the thing in.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 01:24 PM (R5lpX)

196 Here in New Jersey there are fewer corner or Main Street gas stations than there used ti be--they've all moved to the highways. The highways are where all the action is and all the stations have convenience stores attached.

I think that's related to the Gas Pumpers Full Employment Act. Since you can't get out of your car you don't go in the shop so they don't sell you Twizzlers.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 05, 2020 01:24 PM (gd9RK)

197 Chicago added the twist of forcing those admitted to these hotels to remain under threat of arrest should they decide to check out early. Cops are really loving this plan. Going hands in with Wuhan positive homeless with no PPE. Nice.

Posted by: RedinaBlueState at April 05, 2020 01:24 PM (BTsx4)

198 Or you're out fishing in the bay and one latches onto that live Anchovy you used for bait. Cut your line quick or you will have an empty reel because you sure as hell ain't reeling the thing in.
Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 01:24 PM (R5lpX)

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But if you play it long enough you could reel in an Orca.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:25 PM (XVuno)

199 44 Over the past year, I have joined in many conversations with a few bon mots. But page 500 has stopped it every time.
Posted by: Akua Makana at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (YkUJb)

Are you composing in Notepad,Word, etc and copying to AOS? It always fails me.

Posted by: Slow Reader at April 05, 2020 01:26 PM (kE3dB)

200 ITC, We are going to miss you.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 01:26 PM (BQEAt)

201 "Bonds are debt."

I know. Debt that has to be paid back.

Posted by: Case at April 05, 2020 01:26 PM (yvDbr)

202 Posted by: RedinaBlueState at April 05, 2020 01:24 PM (BTsx4)

hows things in your woods ?

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 01:26 PM (rpxSz)

203 Drug addicted, mentally ill homeless people in 4 or 5 star hotels - what could go wrong? This is classic put on your "what was I thinking?" cap stuff.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 05, 2020 01:26 PM (SwWMX)

204 Ah well, back to work on my project. Later y'all.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 01:27 PM (R5lpX)

205
Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:17 PM (El6T/)

Up around Fresno. People are relatively sane out here. I used to truthfully tell folks in Texas that you could transplant towns from the Valley into rural TX and the only thing that would be strange would be the accent.

Plus Sheriff Mims believes in CCW so one of the great unwashed can actually get a permit out here.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 05, 2020 01:27 PM (EGyGV)

206 Bonds are debt."

I know. Debt that has to be paid back.
Posted by: Case at April 05, 2020 01:26 PM (yvDbr)

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Debt that has to be paid back is the worst kind of debt.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:27 PM (XVuno)

207 Here in New Jersey there are fewer corner or Main Street gas stations than there used ti be--they've all moved to the highways. The highways are where all the action is and all the stations have convenience stores attached.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 05, 2020 01:20 PM (CqE5x)

Isn't that a direct result of having the "No Self-Service" pumping of gas in NJ? Also, aren't there price controls on gas there? Trying to remember the time I was there and had to pay ransom (tolls) to leave the Garden State. (We were laughing because you didn't have to pay tolls to get into NJ, but it was like Hotel California if you wanted out.)

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 01:27 PM (8HBLI)

208 Chicago added the twist of forcing those admitted to these hotels to remain under threat of arrest should they decide to check out early. Cops are really loving this plan. Going hands in with Wuhan positive homeless with no PPE. Nice.
Posted by: RedinaBlueState at April 05, 2020 01:24 PM (BTsx4)

If they can't leave, who brings in the booze and crack?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 05, 2020 01:27 PM (hku12)

209 I went to San Fransisco for a little over a week for business back in 1998. It was literally the most fun business trip I have ever taken. Even better than Portland in 1985, which was pretty damn fun in it's own right. There were bums and burnouts but the city had them under control then.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 01:29 PM (yQpMk)

210 Bonds are debt."

I know. Debt that has to be paid back.
Posted by: Case at April 05, 2020 01:26 PM (yvDbr)

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Debt that has to be paid back is the worst kind of debt.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 05, 2020 01:27 PM (XVuno)

That's rayciss!

Posted by: Womens Studies Millennials at April 05, 2020 01:29 PM (hku12)

211 Loved Vandenburg and surroundings as a kid, Bakersfield in the late 90's with kids of my own, San Fran in the early 2000's, not so much.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 05, 2020 01:29 PM (SwWMX)

212 Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 01:26 PM (BQEAt)

BEN HAD

my wife knew of the yellow lady but never met her

knew her decorator, Jed Mace

but we didn't really didn't deal in her kinda thing

Mrs REDACTED said she was part the Preston Hollow group

We mostly dealt with Park cities crowd and River Oaks peeps

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 01:30 PM (rpxSz)

213 Been raising hell and making complaints to the city and state about the illegal day workers still congregating at the BP gas station 1/4" from my house in open defiance of SIP order. No action or response yet, I imagine they are deemed essential workers or some BS. I will be going to BP costumer relations/complaints next, unfortunately probably run by SJW that will ignore me as well. I wonder if ICE could be any help with this.

Posted by: Ripley at April 05, 2020 01:30 PM (MxEKc)

214 My sinuses are going nuts. I think the European Birch across the street has started its yearly pollen dump.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 01:30 PM (g8Yc+)

215 This is why I gave up on my sci-fi novel set in San Francisco, How do I top reality?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 05, 2020 01:30 PM (aeXqn)

216
Someone gonna get killed out there
And I turn to her and say

Texas..she says what
Texas..she says what
They got big long roads out there

Warms winds blowing
Heating blue sky
And a road that goes forever
I'm going to Texas

Chris Rea: The Road to Hell (cd)

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 01:30 PM (WX+x0)

217 I've tried to explain to the handful of sentient humanoids I know here that CA is now a horrible, over-priced tourist restaurant with the most spectacular view on Earth.

That is, the natural glory (and some, vestigial, man-made or human elements, in a few areas) is the key, without it, far fewer would want to live here, or tolerate living here, or wherever they are on that spectrum.

But for those who actually know and use the wonders, depending on their situation, and location, it's still quite doable. Without the horrors so many seem to assume attend daily life for everyone out here.

And you don't have to live in a "gated community" to avoid 99% of the dysfunction, and still enjoy the ocean, the desert, etc. Just like everywhere else in the US, there are invisible/informal/whatever "gates" that separate different kinds of neighborhoods.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:31 PM (El6T/)

218 Are you composing in Notepad,Word, etc and copying to AOS? It always fails me.

Composing? Most of us just use stream of consciousness and ass-pulls.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 01:31 PM (yQpMk)

219 EPA regs got rid of the gas stations. All of the old stations had to remove the tanks and pumps. Now they rent textyphones.

Posted by: klaftern at April 05, 2020 01:31 PM (RuIsu)

220 203 Drug addicted, mentally ill homeless people in 4 or 5 star hotels - what could go wrong? This is classic put on your "what was I thinking?" cap stuff.
Posted by: rammajamma at April 05, 2020 01:26 PM (SwWMX)

Hope they find all the broken needles in the rug.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 05, 2020 01:32 PM (e1mEI)

221 The President, speaking at his Wuhan Virus Task Force daily briefing said yesterday, as he has been saying for days now, that "This will end, it will be over, and America needs to get back to work. We have to get back to work. Americans need to work."

Yesterday, he said it with more emotion than he has said it before, and I believe it will continue from him as the main theme going forward.

We have to find a way to get back to work soon. Soon.

But the camera showed the faces of the smug "reporters" from the networks and cable outlets, while he was saying this. None, not a one, was registering any agreement with the President's position. All were trying to look serious and earnest and attentive, but none showed agreement.

They don't because they know that the coming war, the one they hope will defeat him, and they long to defeat him because they hate him, they hate us, and they want The State to conquer, that war is between those that want to get back to work, and those that will drag their snowflake feet saying oh no it's not safe and we are all gonna die and it will be blood on his hands.

They are willing to turn this country into a version of Cormac McCarthy's "The Road," in order to defeat PDT.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 05, 2020 01:32 PM (+fPHo)

222 214 My sinuses are going nuts. I think the European Birch across the street has started its yearly pollen dump.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 05, 2020 01:30 PM (g8Yc+)

Birch bukkake.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 01:33 PM (NWiLs)

223 Here in New Jersey there are fewer corner or Main
Street gas stations than there used ti be--they've all moved to the
highways. The highways are where all the action is and all the stations
have convenience stores attached.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 05, 2020 01:20 PM (CqE5x)

I'm guessing it depends on where you are in jersey. Where I am, and not counting the highway stations, there is at least 7 local stations within a mile of me, starting from around the corner. I can hit at least one within a 1/4 mile in any direction. What I noticed though, is that there are less stations occupying the same intersections. We used to have as many as 3 stations at an intersection, but over time the weaker ones will close leaving 1 or 2 left, or one just does repairs only and no gas.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 05, 2020 01:33 PM (9Om/r)

224 Yeah this idea of putting homeless in hotels - what's even the stupid public health rationale, I don't see it? - is sort of a "hold my craft beer" moment, and sadly not limited to CA.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:34 PM (El6T/)

225 They are willing to turn this country into a version of Cormac McCarthy's "The Road," in order to defeat PDT.

They will find this Mr. Humungus to be a reasonable man, I trust.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 01:34 PM (yQpMk)

226 For those interested in which states are in the worst financial shape, Moody's bond ratings has the answer. IL is by far the worst (Baa3, one step above "junk"), followed by NJ (A3), CT (A1) and a tie among AK, CA, KY, LA and PA (Aa3).

Posted by: cool breeze at April 05, 2020 01:35 PM (UGKMd)

227 Birch bukkake.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 01:33 PM (NWiLs)

cum on, man !

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 01:35 PM (rpxSz)

228 Yes its public domain while you can also get it free from Gutenburg but since I got my Fire 10 I can never get books in the right director w/o going through Amazon. So I no longer use Gutenburg.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2020 01:35 PM (mpXpK)

229 Or Wesley Snipes in Demolition Man.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 05, 2020 01:35 PM (aeXqn)

230 REDACTED, Her daughter is one of my long standing customers.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 01:35 PM (BQEAt)

231 I'm taking a break from moving shit around in the attic. Our CH&A is hors de combat and the man is coming to replace it on Tuesday.

I'm having to get everything out of the way and off the air handler. Not fun work that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 01:37 PM (yQpMk)

232 I'm Joe Biden, and I approve my message!

Posted by: Fingerbang Biden at April 05, 2020 01:37 PM (vGJY7)

233 230 REDACTED, Her daughter is one of my long standing customers.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 01:35 PM (BQEAt)

as I found out as a little kid

It's always nice to have wealthy customers !!

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 01:37 PM (rpxSz)

234 The nice thing about where I live in California (Lake Arrowhead), is that I get to enjoy the mountains and the desert with ZERO squalor and decay. I live amongst the biggest group of self-reliant conservatives you could possibly imagine. The kids here grow up with firearms (the desert is just ten minutes away) are patriotic (we have the largest youth Fife and Drum corps west of the Mississippi) and even the priviliged sons of the wealthy go into the military. Now, don't go thinking about moving here. There are some drawbacks...

Posted by: Charles the Simple at April 05, 2020 01:37 PM (HuH1F)

235 ITC, oh yes - the politix/culture/etc, as I joke with people, doesn't change from the time you get to east San Diego County (or the Central Valley, or equivalent areas up and down the state) until you get to major cities in the west, or TX. Oh and BTW, the SD sheriff surrendered on CCW last year, when a challenger (the Dem - and gay! - of all things) made it the center-piece of his campaign.

The gun idiocy is not, strictly speaking, the fault of CA idiocy - it's the direct result of the collapse of the constitutional system. A real judiciary would have addressed and smacked down 90% of all gun laws here, and in other states, long ago. It may yet happen, though SCOTUS has a weighty legacy of lawlessness and laziness and irresponsibility to overcome.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:38 PM (El6T/)

236 Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 01:27 PM (8HBLI)

I think there are exactly two gas stations in Princeton. One is on the very edge of town. There were others but they closed for largely asthetic reasons and were not sold as gas stations. One is now a restaurant, another a car rental for those coming off the Dinky (a little rail branch), two others were demolished for university housing. I don't know how the one actually in town survives, as I am sure it is despised.

Posted by: CN at April 05, 2020 01:38 PM (ONvIw)

237 REDACTED, with out a doubt!

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 01:38 PM (BQEAt)

238 208 they can't leave, who brings in the booze and crack?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 05, 2020 01:27 PM (hku12)
________
"Hello, Room Service?"

Posted by: FoodWaterAmmo at April 05, 2020 01:39 PM (brYzZ)

239 I think the current state of California is largely the result of the voter fraud schemes. How many homeless are there? No one can say, but by some miracle they will all vote.
A relative told me of going to a school event in Orange County, and being told that the man over there in the corner was the Dem candidate for a fed representative position. My relative thought; wow--that poor guy isn't even bothering to introduce himself around; he knows his candidacy is a hopeless cause.Nope; it turned out he was one of the "harvested ballot" winners. He didn't have to bother trying to meet his constituents, the fix was in.It's all about voter fraud, so they can say their candidate won the "popular" vote and the electoral college should be thrown out.

Posted by: artemis at April 05, 2020 01:39 PM (AwPyG)

240 I love California. Last time I was out there, I visited the Alamo and was surprised at how small it was. Then I went to the Hoover Dam and that Hoover, he knew what he was doing, he knew concrete. Last I visited Camp LeJeune where our brave Coasties train to become Corpsemen, what a sight! Oh boy!

My campaign will have a new slogan, "Hope and Change II: Biden's Boogaloo". It has to work. The rubes fell for "Hope and Change" the first time around so why not? Rubes are dumb folks and need my help.

Here, pull my finger.

Posted by: Joe Biden, Asshoe at April 05, 2020 01:40 PM (Z+IKu)

241 Not being in California, I got a little Beretta 71 this week at an estate sale, cash on the barrel head. Cute, with, surprisingly, one of the best triggers I have ever experienced. Customized 1911 good.

I'll try to take some pictures for the Gub Thread tonight.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 01:41 PM (yQpMk)

242 cool breeze, good info - but as we know from 2008, integrity of financial markets, including debt ratings, is among the core institutions/pillars of the country that has cracks in it.

Do you see the state debt ratings as reasonable? Or politicized a bit?

And how do those ratings you listed compare with the same ones from saner times (say, the 80s) in almost all those states, if you know?

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:41 PM (El6T/)

243 228 Yes its public domain while you can also get it free from Gutenburg but since I got my Fire 10 I can never get books in the right director w/o going through Amazon. So I no longer use Gutenburg.
Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2020 01:35 PM (mpXpK)

I had this problem too, and I think I went and got free Kindle editions of the Gutenberg books I had downloaded when I saw them for free on Amazon, so my use of Gutenberg is reading with the computer. I did send Amazon an email about the Project Gutenberg books not working properly, and they DID respond. But it was an email account I rarely check so I missed my chance to help.

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 01:42 PM (8HBLI)

244
Murder-Suicide: Man Feared Coronavirus, Family Says

A man and woman in their 50s found dead Thursday have since tested negative for the virus, according to officials.

Family members of Jesernik told investigators that he had been scared
that he and Schriefer had contracted coronavirus, and that Schriefer had
been having trouble breathing.

An autopsy conducted Friday showed both died of gunshot wounds to the
head. Jesernik's death was the result of a self-inflicted gunshot wound,
according to police, who said Schriefer's death has been ruled a
homicide.

A
buddy of mine sent me that story. Said he went to high school with the
guy. Don't know any back story of this, but if people are that terrified
or stupid to do this because of the hysteria that's been created by
media and government over Flu Manchu there ought to be a reckoning.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 05, 2020 01:42 PM (XfxTk)

245 Media now praising former President George W. Bush for his study of pandemics. Using his words against President Trump's reaction to COVID-19.

ABC News:
George W. Bush in 2005: "If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare."

"Bush did not just insist on preparation for a pandemic. He was obsessed with it."

https://bit.ly/39Jm0qI

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 05, 2020 01:44 PM (Do5/p)

246 Lived near SF in 89-90.

It was pretty creepy even back then.

Used to sit in my car before work, waiting for mgmt to unlock the store I worked at. Watched thugs walking thru parking lot, (strip-mall, so shoppers at several other stores) checking cars' door handles as they strode along. I prayed they wouldn't come near mine-- who knows what they would've done to one defenseless woman such as I was? After that, tried to time my arrival closer to opening, but also not be late.

Bums were hanging out outside of nearly every business, no matter where it was. If you made eye contact-- whoosh! They'd be right in your face, telling some sob story and wanting money.

Nasty place. Couldn't wait to leave!!!

Posted by: JQ at April 05, 2020 01:45 PM (whOIk)

247 "Bush did not just insist on preparation for a pandemic. He was obsessed with it."

Alas, President Boyfriend threw all that prep away, though I doubt the MFM will stress that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 01:46 PM (yQpMk)

248 I had a dude from Finland claim they have no homeless. I told him sure you do, they're just buried under 6ft of snow and you don't find them.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 05, 2020 01:18 PM

So they're finished?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 01:47 PM (DMUuz)

249 The government gets what it pays for. Hobos are attracted to California because the state pays them more.
In return, the state gets a higher census count and more reps in Congress. For the state to get more money and power the citizens have to put up with the homeless and illegals.

Posted by: Another Wasted Comment at April 05, 2020 01:48 PM (bi73b)

250 I hope CA has enough and elects a Rudy type to clean house. When I arrived in NYC, Dinkins was mayor, and it was pretty daunting. Crime was very high, and there was little being done about it. Rudy changed this, and Bloomberg piggybacked. Wilhelm is fucking it up again, but Rudy proved it can be done

Posted by: CN at April 05, 2020 01:49 PM (ONvIw)

251 239 I think the current state of California is largely the result of the voter fraud schemes. How many homeless are there? No one can say, but by some miracle they will all vote.
A relative told me of going to a school event in Orange County, and being told that the man over there in the corner was the Dem candidate for a fed representative position. My relative thought; wow--that poor guy isn't even bothering to introduce himself around; he knows his candidacy is a hopeless cause.Nope; it turned out he was one of the "harvested ballot" winners. He didn't have to bother trying to meet his constituents, the fix was in.It's all about voter fraud, so they can say their candidate won the "popular" vote and the electoral college should be thrown out.
Posted by: artemis at April 05, 2020 01:39 PM (AwPyG)

Did you see Trump's straight-up, in-you-face retort to the "journalist" who asked about doing the November election by mail? He said, straight out, that that's not going to happen because it's too easy to cheat that way. It was beautiful. I yelled, "THANK YOU!" at the TV. It was Friday night, I think, at the very end.

Posted by: PennaLady at April 05, 2020 01:49 PM (8HBLI)

252 "If you made eye contact-- whoosh! They'd be right in your face, telling some sob story and wanting money. "

I see these guys coming and I make eye contact and say "NOPE" even before they finish their spiel. I'm not taking my eye off them. If they persist, I tell them to get the f' away from me.

Posted by: freakdd at April 05, 2020 01:49 PM (Tnijr)

253
"Bush did not just insist on preparation for a pandemic. He was obsessed with it."

And then came TFG to destroy all preparation.

lolgf mfm.

Posted by: Infidel at April 05, 2020 01:50 PM (vF+fs)

254 "Media now praising former President George W. Bush
for his study of pandemics. Using his words against President Trump's
reaction to COVID-19.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton"

Wait! I though Bush was bumbling idiot, incompetent and literally Hitler. Well, a few years ago anyway. Maybe he has turned his life around.

Posted by: Ripley at April 05, 2020 01:50 PM (MxEKc)

255 @251 Yes, it was great!

Posted by: artemis at April 05, 2020 01:51 PM (AwPyG)

256 We've pointed out before in these threads that another aspect of these types of crises is that there are completely different requirements of lawfulness depending on who you are. Want to do something constructive and profitable that benefits the entire community? Here, jump through all of these hoops, spend all your seed money on legal expenses, and then get shut down for some bogus reason.

Want to poop in the streets or otherwise diminish everyone's quality of life? Knock yourself out. In fact, everyone else will be required to make sure there's no stigma for your antisocial behavior.

Posted by: Emmie's kitteh at April 05, 2020 01:51 PM (ouBhA)

257 "Bush did not just insist on preparation for a pandemic. He was obsessed with it."

Alas, President Boyfriend threw all that prep away, though I doubt the MFM will stress that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 01:46 PM (yQpMk)

It's all Trump's fault. New story at All Propaganda (AP) that Trump squandered months before doing anything letting people die.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 05, 2020 01:51 PM (XfxTk)

258 California was, until the 1990s a vibrant energetic place in which the
tone was that you could do anything if you just worked at it.
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Sounds like America about a dozen years ago.

Posted by: ... at April 05, 2020 01:53 PM (uEbPt)

259 So the entire medical establishment of the USofA works for Trump? Who knew?

Posted by: klaftern at April 05, 2020 01:54 PM (RuIsu)

260 237 REDACTED, with out a doubt!
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 01:38 PM (BQEAt)

here's to hoping your biz does well !

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 01:55 PM (rpxSz)

261 Wait! I though Bush was bumbling idiot, incompetent and literally Hitler. Well, a few years ago anyway. Maybe he has turned his life around.

Posted by: Ripley at April 05, 2020 01:50 PM

"Enemy of my enemy" and all that.

For as much as the media hated/hates President Bush, he is/has always been Deep State. And he (Bush) hates President Trump rocking the boat of the "establishment" as much as the left.

So this is Deep State/Establishment joining up against President Trump.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 05, 2020 01:55 PM (Do5/p)

262 Family members of Jesernik told investigators that he had been scared

that he and Schriefer had contracted coronavirus, and that Schriefer had

been having trouble breathing.

An autopsy conducted Friday showed both died of gunshot wounds to the

head.
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There is a larger lesson to be learned here I'm pretty sure.

Posted by: ... at April 05, 2020 01:56 PM (uEbPt)

263 We are here to appropriate your sinuses.

Posted by: European Birch at April 05, 2020 01:56 PM (EgshT)

264 What I find most interesting is the disproportionate spread of CCP Lung AIDS on the eastern half of America compared to the western. It's almost as if China knew it was released, how bad it was, and sent Chinese nationals disproportionately to the Eastern part of America to spread it compared to the West coast because China considers the West coast theirs (the ports). California is just as densely populated as NY and Jersey and yet they look where they rank.
It's like China purposely spread it to Western Countries after the accident in the lab.

Posted by: it begins... at April 05, 2020 01:57 PM (a5D9R)

265 252 I see the bums coming.....

Know what else works with the NO is letting the coat slid open to flash the SIG 239 with a smile. No problem. Open carry now and then does work. They lurk at the QT gas station often. 9mm

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 01:57 PM (WX+x0)

266
The bums will shit on the hotel room floors in the manner they are used to, and tear out the wiring and plumbing to sell for drug money. They'll steal the towels and sheets. They scatter needles and throw blood on the walls. They will menace paying guests and demand money, and also menace and assault them for no reason at all --- in the very brief interval between the bums moving in and the paying guests disappearing forever.

It won't matter if they have special segregated sections of the hotels for the bums. They will find a way. Any rules whatsoever imposed on the bums will cause them to immediately return to the street.

Also, transmission of Wuhan virus is calculated to be a out 20 times as efficient indoors as out.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at April 05, 2020 01:58 PM (t5m5e)

267

Newsom claims that California has a budget surplus and actually props up deadbeat red states with it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at

...

Funny that they want to end the SALT emargo Trump enacted then.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 05, 2020 01:58 PM (hr5kG)

268 It's all Trump's fault. New story at All Propaganda (AP) that Trump squandered months before doing anything letting people die.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 05, 2020 01:51 PM (XfxTk)

As soon as the news of wuflu hit the US, it became nearly impossible to get masks. The US seemed to understand that the need was in China, China however, sees a need to withhold supplies and put Western nations at each other's throats., so much so that even France wants it's own PPE industry, and in France, not the EU where Germany will rule

Posted by: CN at April 05, 2020 01:58 PM (ONvIw)

269 Over the past year, I have joined in many conversations with a few bon mots. But page 500 has stopped it every time.
Posted by: Akua Makana at April 05, 2020 12:29 PM (YkUJb)

Browser? Hardware? What tools are you using to get here?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2020 01:59 PM (miJU3)

270 Were you guys aware that in Los Angeles, they're going to use FEMA money to house the homeless in hotels? (these hotels are not operating due to the 'stay at home' orders)

Posted by: LilyG at April 05, 2020 02:00 PM (A/N4l)

271 Newsom claims that California has a budget surplus and actually props up deadbeat red states with it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at

Newsom also claims he's not a hangdown aficionado

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 02:00 PM (rpxSz)

272 247 "Bush did not just insist on preparation for a pandemic. He was obsessed with it."

Alas, President Boyfriend threw all that prep away, though I doubt the MFM will stress that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 01:46 PM (yQpMk)

Media Bias?
Sunday Morning Futures with Maria Bartiromo
@25:35 (during display of China Coronavirus Campaign image) the chyron states:

Some US states and cities have received unusable medical equipment from the nation's medical stockpile as they seek desperately needed supplies to fight the [Chinese] coronavirus pandemic ... Nearly 6,000 masks sent to Alabama had dry rot and a 2010 expiration date, while more than 150 ventilators sent to Los Angeles were broken and had to be repaired... an Oregon official said several shipments of equipment were well past their expiration dates, ...on and on

Thank you President O'Fiddlesticks.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 05, 2020 02:01 PM (yTd+z)

273 Nood.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 02:01 PM (Y4EXg)

274 cool breeze, good info - but as we know from 2008,
integrity of financial markets, including debt ratings, is among the
core institutions/pillars of the country that has cracks in it.

Do you see the state debt ratings as reasonable? Or politicized a bit?

And how do those ratings you listed compare with the same ones from
saner times (say, the 80s) in almost all those states, if you know?

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 01:41 PM (El6T/)

I had to look those up in the past two weeks for work in order to make important business decisions. I see them as generally reasonable, not perfect. They correlate with those of the other, competing bond rating agencies and I don't think they are terribly politicized. Many financial professionals find them useful. There is little doubt in my mind that IL is in much, much worse shape than any other state. I also think the rank ordering of that "bottom 8" is about right.
I had to look up how the current ratings compared with a few years back, not the 80s. CA used to be the worst. The change from then until now is more a case of IL getting much worse than it is of CA getting better.

Posted by: cool breeze at April 05, 2020 02:02 PM (UGKMd)

275 In the interest of fairness I would like to suggest bringing back the good old fashion firehose.

Working in San Fran cured my homeless sympathy problem.

Posted by: nip at April 05, 2020 02:03 PM (Izot6)

276 nood

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2020 02:04 PM (mpXpK)

277 Working in San Fran cured my homeless sympathy problem.

^This.

Posted by: JQ at April 05, 2020 02:05 PM (whOIk)

278 >>>It's like China purposely spread it to Western Countries after the accident in the lab.

Posted by: it begins... at April 05, 2020 01:57 PM (a5D9R)

Interesting observation, although CA and WA followed the mitigation guidelines and NY did not.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 05, 2020 02:05 PM (yTd+z)

279 We are here to appropriate your sinuses.

Posted by: European Birch at April 05, 2020 01:56
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We lost most of European Birch 30 yrs ago to the bronze birch borer. Now you just see river birch. They're immune to the borer but not as pretty.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 05, 2020 02:07 PM (Dhht7)

280 Welp, time to get after the chores...

Be well, horde!

Posted by: JQ at April 05, 2020 02:07 PM (whOIk)

281 Watching "old" movies. In the 80s and 90s, we had action heroes who knew actual martial arts. Norris, Segal, Van Damme, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan.

Who do we have in this century? Matt Damon?

Posted by: Slow Reader at April 05, 2020 02:08 PM (kE3dB)

282 257 Bush did not just insist on preparation for a pandemic. He was obsessed with it."

Alas, President Boyfriend threw all that prep away, though I doubt the MFM will stress that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 01:46 PM (yQpMk)

It's all Trump's fault. New story at All Propaganda (AP) that Trump squandered months before doing anything letting people die.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 05, 2020 01:51 PM (XfxTk)

When a new president comes into office, he must immediately review and make modifications where necessary to all existing policies, programs, materials, stockpiles, and personnel. If he does not, he is responsible for every American malady that can be remotely related.

If he makes any changes, he will be vilified and declared "impeachable" unless he is The Lightbringer, who must be asked what he finds enchanting about being POTUS. The Lightbringer's wisdom shall not be questioned, heretic.

It's in the penumbras emanating from something that the SCOTUS can see coming out of somewhere or other. Look it up because I can't be bothered with sourcing something so obvious.

Posted by: AOC or Someone Else Similarly EDUCATED at April 05, 2020 02:09 PM (8HBLI)

283 As a lifelong Californian, I can authoritatively state that our current demographic of "homeless people" can be generally divided into three categories, which cover just about all of them:

-- The mentally ill. Crazy people.
-- Addicts. Druggies and winos.
-- The professional homeless. People who are homeless by choice because they are either runaways, or "free spirits" (i.e. shiftless losers) who learned that if you are classified as homeless you get inundated with freebies that basically allow you to live without working or having any income aside from panhandling.

I would say that 99% of the California homeless population fall into one or more of these categories. (There is of course a big overlap between "crazies" and "druggies," etc.) The myth of "I'm homeless only because I'm poor" is a vestige that might have been true in a bygone era, but isn't really true any more except in a tiny number of cases.

But here's the thing about all three types of homeless people here:

Most DON'T WANT the free housing offered them.

This is the part that frustrates and mystifies the liberal do-gooders operating on the falsehood that people are homeless solely because they're poor. They can't imagine that a homeless person would TURN DOWN a free place to stay. But in practice, most do refuse to get housed.

Why?

Well, each demographic has its reasons:

-- Crazy people are crazy and can't make rational decisions. Also, accepting the free house usually comes with restrictions and requirements, such as going to therapist and "taking your meds" and being monitored by social services. No thank you, the crazies say.

-- Druggies refuse free housing because the handout almost always comes with a rule: NO DRUGS ALLOWED in the free housing. This rule is necessary, because without it most free bum-housing will very rapidly become drug dens, crack-houses and shooting galleries (where heroin addicts shoot up). Since the druggies' main goal in life all day every day is getting and taking drugs, the LAST thing they'd want is to live somewhere where drugs are forbidden.

-- The Professional Homeless already are turning down the free housing they could get from their families, because they have consciously chosen the free-and-easy professional bum lifestyle. Moving into a welfare house or hotel completely negates their lifestyle. (Many of the people in this demographic come from middle class homes and are just trying to piss off their parents.)

Add these three reasons up and what you get is the fact the most homeless adamantly refuse the free housing offered to them. This happens all day every day in San Francisco and other CA cities.

Of course, sane observant people like us see this issue very clearly. But the liberals and politicians refuse to acknowledge or even perceive this fact, so keep throwing "free housing" at the bums, which will never solve the problem, because most reject the free housing.

Posted by: zombie at April 05, 2020 02:10 PM (N9G0H)

284 Why is it all these urban shitholes that Republican presidents fail to prepare for disasters all have Democrat mayors and governors?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 05, 2020 02:11 PM (oVJmc)

285 Nood., I say.

Posted by: zombie at April 05, 2020 02:20 PM (N9G0H)

286 And a pandemic under Bush would have seen widespread media reports on his "obsession" and "preparedness", right?

Posted by: ... at April 05, 2020 02:39 PM (zhDMZ)

287 O, Sweet Saint Of San Andreas; Hear my prayer.
(stolen from small dead animals)
If we all jump up and down three times so that the tiny surface waves traveling at 5.5 km/sec all converge at Bodega Bay at noon Pacific time tomorrow, will something great happen? For me that is 1:52:45 pm Central time.
Lil'hoppers, you need to do this on a paved surface to created the best surface wave. Find the great circle distance to figure the time. No need to stomp, just a good hop with soft soles will work. Of course if you have a crane.....
Might as well have a good drink at the same time to make this exercise worthwhile.

Posted by: FlimFlammed at April 05, 2020 02:40 PM (ZTDnL)

288 And who would ever pay real money to stay in one of these hotels after the bums have lived there. Yes I know no one goes to SF other than under duress but kiss the St Francis and all the others Good Bye

Posted by: jaytrain at April 05, 2020 03:00 PM (eh3OZ)

289 283; All true, and supporters of local politicians feel sooo good when something is being DONE. The most forlorn worker in San Francisco is the homeless outreach worker.

Breaking News San Francisco; the first arrest has been made under the Shelter In Place ordinance. An 86 year old man was arrested in front of the Planned Parenthood Clinic. There will not be a congregating enhancement because it was a solitary (and long running) vigil.

Posted by: SF jeff at April 05, 2020 03:05 PM (kJqpv)

290 76 I cannot imagine that the Mark Hopkins, etc want to take in the homeless. They would be shitting in the hallways just out of habit.

Posted by: JAS at April 05, 2020 12:40 PM (2BZBZ)

Vagrant in the Mark Hopkins: "Can I go outside? I really need to go to the bathroom, and I can't hold it much longer."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 05, 2020 03:36 PM (YqDXo)

291 "When" had best better damn happen before the "if" happens to the rest of the country, particularly Texas. If California goes while a lot of states are intact with constitutional-trending laws, then we can save California a lot faster. But if the rest of the country is Californicated, then we had best have very secure, very confidential bugouts with very powerful firearms.

Posted by: Jonah Kyle at April 05, 2020 03:45 PM (SH7Tr)

292 I lived in San Diego in the 80's while assigned to the USS Constellation at NAS North Island. We lived in Navy housing in Pacific Beach and loved it. Conservative town with a republican mayor. Oh how times have changed.

Posted by: Esteve at April 05, 2020 03:51 PM (2IA0F)

293 At some point, it will be pretty easy for an external agent to conduct a quick bloodless non-democratic take over of California. Wonder who it will be.

Posted by: Jaxso at April 05, 2020 04:01 PM (mx7nO)

294 Excellent post

Posted by: Summer of Love at April 05, 2020 05:22 PM (FJrl0)

295 Following the directives of the Governor and Mayor, we are recovering here in SF, but miss the Giants.

Posted by: Native San Franciscan at April 05, 2020 05:26 PM (L5yo0)

296 ...And when Californicate fails, Washington will screw U. S. over by bailing them out.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at April 05, 2020 07:14 PM (vVNeI)

297 Hehe. I'm drunk tonight, but I just realized, "Do you smoke CBD, rub it on your skin, or just put it on your tongue?"

Posted by: DinsdalePiranha at April 05, 2020 11:52 PM (I6LPk)

298 What is the goal? It has nothing to do with the good of the state, or the people. The goal is for the person proposing the latest greatest retardation plan to get the little rush that goes with being the kindest, nicest, sweetest, biggest hearted, most generous person on this entire flat planet, no matter what it costs (somebody else). Then there is a huge "emporer has no clothes" factor, because once a moronical plan is proposed, no one else can say how dumb it is, or they won't be invited to the huge gala celebrating the guilt aswaging idiocy.

Posted by: Cactus salad at April 06, 2020 02:25 AM (olpu0)

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