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Tucker Carlson: The Government Needs to Stop Lying to Us About Coronavirus
He means, specifically, the stories the government put out that "masks don't help you avoid transmitting, or even contracting, the virus."
That was a lie. The lie was told in order to reduce demand on masks, so that health workers -- who do of course have a more pressing need for them -- could get them. It was a lie, and now people still believe the lie and are still saying "masks don't help." And can you blame them? The people whose guidances and orders we are supposed to follow without question were just telling us the lie that masks don't work, in order to free up supply for high-risk personnel.Comments
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 03:43 PM (zZbCU)
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The nine scariest words in the English Language.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2020 03:43 PM (uEbPt)
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Yeaaaaah buddy
Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at March 31, 2020 03:44 PM (DfXtM)
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Masks don't work.
Posted by: Superman at March 31, 2020 03:44 PM (Eicbe)
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I don't even put on a mask for the barrel.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 31, 2020 03:44 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:44 PM (LCwhA)
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top ten
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 31, 2020 03:44 PM (DjiZK)
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here in Ohio they just had the press conference about if you have a homemade mask wear it, assume you have the KungFlu and a mask helps stop the spread
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (dKiJG)
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I have 60 N95 masks. I have them for the fires. We stockpiled them during the fires because our employees had to wear them.
Posted by: CaliGirl at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (7bcfy)
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All well and good, but in many places you can't get even a surgical mask now if you want one.
Posted by: Bigsmith at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (G/mW5)
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And can you blame them? The people whose guidances and orders we are supposed to follow without question were just telling us the lie that masks don't work, in order to free up supply for high-risk personnel.
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Also, eat fifteen servings of carbs a day to keep healthy.
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Also, eat fifteen servings of carbs a day to keep healthy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (zZbCU)
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At some point, I think we're going to have to have a conversation about TuCa and his midnight drive to Mar-a-Lago, and how afterwards Trump did a 180 overnight.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (KxVoZ)
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This is why I'm always leery of experts who are dismissive of otherwise common sense ideas.
Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (DfXtM)
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (uEbPt)
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A government that can't enforce the borders against foreign nationals has zero moral authority to enforce a quarantine against its own citizens.
Posted by: Oschisms at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (LVx0E)
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Masks do work.
Even the cloth, Not N95 masks work.
Not perfectly, but much better than nothing
But peer pressure prevent us from even thinking of using them.
Even the cloth, Not N95 masks work.
Not perfectly, but much better than nothing
But peer pressure prevent us from even thinking of using them.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (+0uDE)
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Yes, they've been regularly lying this whole time.
Another lie (well, by omission) ... that things are going to re-open any time soon.
The whole idea of "flattening the curve" is to spread out peak infections so it doesn't' all happen at once and the hospitals don't get flooded.
So right now the first peak is predicted to be 4/15.
The plan is to then relax things a little bit, so more people get sick. Then back in quarantine.
So on and so forth until we have a vaccine or everyone has enough antibodies where it's no big deal.
The original studies on this were saying 18 months. I don't know if that's changed or not, but...
Another lie (well, by omission) ... that things are going to re-open any time soon.
The whole idea of "flattening the curve" is to spread out peak infections so it doesn't' all happen at once and the hospitals don't get flooded.
So right now the first peak is predicted to be 4/15.
The plan is to then relax things a little bit, so more people get sick. Then back in quarantine.
So on and so forth until we have a vaccine or everyone has enough antibodies where it's no big deal.
The original studies on this were saying 18 months. I don't know if that's changed or not, but...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (ZkXld)
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Double Oh Thirteen: Licence to Lie.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (+y/Ru)
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I know gloves are discarded after one use, but how long is one N95 or P95 lasting when testing people for things that end up not being Chinese Lung AIDS? Ten minutes? One day? A week?
Anyone in the field able to shed some light on this?
Anyone in the field able to shed some light on this?
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:46 PM (PRN3w)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (zZbCU)
Limit red meat and fats. Not because it's bad for you, but because the planet depends on it!
Limit red meat and fats. Not because it's bad for you, but because the planet depends on it!
Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at March 31, 2020 03:46 PM (DfXtM)
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mhhhmhl frugic hhhehmmmmmeleeeellll
Posted by: Bane at March 31, 2020 03:46 PM (BRpqW)
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>>>10 All well and good, but in many places you can't get even a surgical mask now if you want one.
bandanas work. There's nothing special about surgical masks. They're just a partial barrier that can help stop some saliva from spraying around.
also factories are now starting to crank out production.
bandanas work. There's nothing special about surgical masks. They're just a partial barrier that can help stop some saliva from spraying around.
also factories are now starting to crank out production.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:46 PM (PbpT7)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 03:47 PM (Zz0t1)
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Masks don't work... until we mandate them 100%, day and night.
Posted by: Washington at March 31, 2020 03:47 PM (Eicbe)
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Maybe some Billy Joel ?
Or some Motley Crue Theater of Pain?
Anything but Fleetwood Mac would do.
Or some Motley Crue Theater of Pain?
Anything but Fleetwood Mac would do.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:47 PM (42l6d)
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What I like about Trump: As a competent CEO, he listens to his people, weighs the pros and cons and quickly makes decisions.
Posted by: JAS at March 31, 2020 03:47 PM (2BZBZ)
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I don't even put on a mask for the barrel.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 31, 2020 03:44 PM
Well, to be fair, nothing helps in the Barrel.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 31, 2020 03:44 PM
Well, to be fair, nothing helps in the Barrel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 31, 2020 03:47 PM (ejd/p)
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (42l6d)
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TuCa is just uninformed is all.
Masks if they are in short supply should only be worn by people who have symptoms and people around them.
If they are plentiful, wear as many masks as you think will make you safe. The virus by the way will pass through anything but a personal respirator fitted for you by a qualified professional. But by all means, wear the mask.
Masks if they are in short supply should only be worn by people who have symptoms and people around them.
If they are plentiful, wear as many masks as you think will make you safe. The virus by the way will pass through anything but a personal respirator fitted for you by a qualified professional. But by all means, wear the mask.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (EZebt)
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We all wear masks, metaphorically speaking.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (NWiLs)
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So right now the first peak is predicted to be 4/15.
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Other things that happened on 4/15:
Lincoln died.
Titanic sank.
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Other things that happened on 4/15:
Lincoln died.
Titanic sank.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (+y/Ru)
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Top 43.
Posted by: eleven at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (Qf83p)
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I'm waiting for the Paisley Masks. I wouldn't be seen in one of those hospitally things.
Posted by: Puddin Head at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (NLDk+)
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You can make your own masks,
Go to Youtube, and look.
Even a bandanna like the wild west stagecoach robbers will help.
Go to Youtube, and look.
Even a bandanna like the wild west stagecoach robbers will help.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (+0uDE)
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Pretty sure WHO was still peddling that lie over the weekend.
If there's one organization that has shown itself to be utterly useless in all of this, it is WHO.
But hey, at least Tedros Whatever, Director-General, had time in his busy schedule to chat with Lady Gaga and then tweet about it - and also wish her a happy birthday. SMFH
If there's one organization that has shown itself to be utterly useless in all of this, it is WHO.
But hey, at least Tedros Whatever, Director-General, had time in his busy schedule to chat with Lady Gaga and then tweet about it - and also wish her a happy birthday. SMFH
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 03:49 PM (bDqIh)
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Mosques don't work
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 03:49 PM (CqE5x)
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I wonder what they will do at my bank if I walk in with a bandana on my face.
Posted by: Mark1971 at March 31, 2020 03:49 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: Elanor Rigby at March 31, 2020 03:49 PM (gd9RK)
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Virtue has a veil, vice a mask.
Posted by: Victor Hugo at March 31, 2020 03:49 PM (uEbPt)
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I pretty much don't believe anything the govt tells me
the govt is not interested in my welfare- the govt is interested in its own welfare
the govt is not interested in my welfare- the govt is interested in its own welfare
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 31, 2020 03:49 PM (iTXRQ)
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I wore a bandanna on my face for a couple days...I stopped after a trip to the bank.
Posted by: nip at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (Izot6)
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I heard today that the CDC is thinking of recommending everyone wear a mask when they go out.
However, the gloves have to be removed using your wrists rubbing them off, or you just transfer whatever you came in contact with on your hands. And yes, you should dispose of them after every use.
A local nurse said she doesn't use the gloves when she goes to the grocery store, or a mask. She sanitizes her hands before leaving her car, and carries sanitizing wipes in her purse. When she returns to her car, she wipes the door handle and when she's home, wipes down her groceries and counter.
However, the gloves have to be removed using your wrists rubbing them off, or you just transfer whatever you came in contact with on your hands. And yes, you should dispose of them after every use.
A local nurse said she doesn't use the gloves when she goes to the grocery store, or a mask. She sanitizes her hands before leaving her car, and carries sanitizing wipes in her purse. When she returns to her car, she wipes the door handle and when she's home, wipes down her groceries and counter.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (ptqGC)
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I'm thinking a Pirate Eye Patch and a Mask would be cool.
Posted by: Puddin Head at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (NLDk+)
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I'm guessing wearing a mask cuts down on the moisture particles flying from your mouth or nose, knocking down the chance of spread.
Will it prevent everything? No. But, they're saying that was a BIG reason Korea got ahead of this thing.
Will it prevent everything? No. But, they're saying that was a BIG reason Korea got ahead of this thing.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (gKD7h)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (+y/Ru)
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Billy Joel - Seen the Lights go out on Broadway
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: eleven at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (Qf83p)
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29 TuCa is just uninformed is all.
Masks if they are in short supply should only be worn by people who have symptoms and people around them.
If they are plentiful, wear as many masks as you think will make you safe. The virus by the way will pass through anything but a personal respirator fitted for you by a qualified professional. But by all means, wear the mask.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (EZebt)
When I had to wear respirators on occasion as a contractor, I failed to receive my certificate in putting on a respirator. So I guess I can't wear one?
(I'm being sarcastic, but you definitely don't need to be a "professional" to figure out how to use a respirator, surgical mask, or n95 mask. The "attach to your face" part is painfully simple.)
Also, if everyone wore masks in public and we disinfected surfaces religiously, no viruses would ever spread. It's silly to say that everyone wearing masks is a bad idea.
Masks if they are in short supply should only be worn by people who have symptoms and people around them.
If they are plentiful, wear as many masks as you think will make you safe. The virus by the way will pass through anything but a personal respirator fitted for you by a qualified professional. But by all means, wear the mask.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (EZebt)
When I had to wear respirators on occasion as a contractor, I failed to receive my certificate in putting on a respirator. So I guess I can't wear one?
(I'm being sarcastic, but you definitely don't need to be a "professional" to figure out how to use a respirator, surgical mask, or n95 mask. The "attach to your face" part is painfully simple.)
Also, if everyone wore masks in public and we disinfected surfaces religiously, no viruses would ever spread. It's silly to say that everyone wearing masks is a bad idea.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (ZkXld)
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The fear has possessed so many people, even on this blog. No wonder it has been so easy to lock everyone down.
Posted by: Sooner at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (Fs5vw)
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Plus a mask is not a respirator is not a face shield.
But people that do not understand standard precautions, droplet precautions, or contact precautions cannot be expected to understand that either.
The government is not lying to you TuCa. And Iran actually is at war with us too.
But people that do not understand standard precautions, droplet precautions, or contact precautions cannot be expected to understand that either.
The government is not lying to you TuCa. And Iran actually is at war with us too.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (EZebt)
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Shout at the Devil > Theater of Pain
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (41zJX)
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If there's one organization that has shown itself to be utterly useless in all of this, it is WHO.
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It depends on what task you've given them
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It depends on what task you've given them
Posted by: Chinese People's Foreign Ministry of Truth at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (kOpft)
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The plan is to then relax things a little bit, so more people get sick. Then back in quarantine.
So on and so forth until we have a vaccine or everyone has enough antibodies where it's no big deal.
The original studies on this were saying 18 months. I don't know if that's changed or not, but...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (ZkXld)
You know what?
By 4/15 enough people are going to say "fuck it" and head out.
So on and so forth until we have a vaccine or everyone has enough antibodies where it's no big deal.
The original studies on this were saying 18 months. I don't know if that's changed or not, but...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (ZkXld)
You know what?
By 4/15 enough people are going to say "fuck it" and head out.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (CqE5x)
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Capes don't work either.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (KnJdm)
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>>We all wear masks, metaphorically speaking.
Though we share so many secrets,
there are some we never tell.
Though we share so many secrets,
there are some we never tell.
Posted by: Billy Joel at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (gKD7h)
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When you wear the mask, the mask becomes you.
Posted by: Qiu Xiaolong at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (ptqGC)
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Hey everybody, again.
Ruben Navarette drives me crazy.
In just the past day or two, he says he loves that a pastor in Tampa just got arrested for still holding two public worship services.
OTOH... Ruben praised Mike Lindell for helping step up mask production.
Ruben Navarette drives me crazy.
In just the past day or two, he says he loves that a pastor in Tampa just got arrested for still holding two public worship services.
OTOH... Ruben praised Mike Lindell for helping step up mask production.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (L2ZTs)
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Not so funny now that you need the new MyPillow Masks, eh media bros?
And if you order today using coupon code SUCKITMSM you get 60% off a Giza Dream Sheets!
And if you order today using coupon code SUCKITMSM you get 60% off a Giza Dream Sheets!
Posted by: Mike Lindell at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (bDqIh)
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I, for one, welcome our new Healthlords.
Posted by: Axeman at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (Eicbe)
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>> Shout at the Devil > Theater of Pain
Yes. But sadly, no masks on the cover.
Dr Feelgood is pretty damn good, too. For later Crue.
Yes. But sadly, no masks on the cover.
Dr Feelgood is pretty damn good, too. For later Crue.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (gKD7h)
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If there's one organization that has shown itself to be utterly useless in all of this, it is WHO.
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My favorite WHO story is when they sent tens of millions of pounds of dried milk to South Africa in the 70s in order to help provide adequate nutrition for the people who couldn't take care of themselves.
You know. The population that is something like 99% lactose intolerant.
It was used as paint. Everything for miles painted white.
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My favorite WHO story is when they sent tens of millions of pounds of dried milk to South Africa in the 70s in order to help provide adequate nutrition for the people who couldn't take care of themselves.
You know. The population that is something like 99% lactose intolerant.
It was used as paint. Everything for miles painted white.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (PRN3w)
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Story at the Daily Mail about how rats have taken over New Orleans with the lockdown.
Residents have been reported to welcome the improved conditions since the rats have taken over.
Residents have been reported to welcome the improved conditions since the rats have taken over.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (KnJdm)
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44 I'm guessing wearing a mask cuts down on the moisture particles flying from your mouth or nose, knocking down the chance of spread.
Will it prevent everything? No. But, they're saying that was a BIG reason Korea got ahead of this thing.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Yeah. Next time you're walking down the street, look at someone smoking or vaping. See all of that smoke / vapor coming out of their blow hole? You're breathing that in.
Smoke and vapor helps visualize how much of each others used, diseased air we're constantly breathing in. Anything to filter that air out, at least a little, is helpful.
Will it prevent everything? No. But, they're saying that was a BIG reason Korea got ahead of this thing.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Yeah. Next time you're walking down the street, look at someone smoking or vaping. See all of that smoke / vapor coming out of their blow hole? You're breathing that in.
Smoke and vapor helps visualize how much of each others used, diseased air we're constantly breathing in. Anything to filter that air out, at least a little, is helpful.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (ZkXld)
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Though we share so many secrets,
there are some we never tell.
Posted by: Billy Joel at March 31, 2020
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The Stranger "isn't always evil / And he is not always wrong."
Unfortunately, the same does not seem to be true of our "leaders."
there are some we never tell.
Posted by: Billy Joel at March 31, 2020
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The Stranger "isn't always evil / And he is not always wrong."
Unfortunately, the same does not seem to be true of our "leaders."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (rpbg1)
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bad news for those hoping for a quick economic recovery - IHS Markit has put out a forecast to the effect that an economic recovery will take 2 - e years. And that's a best case scenario. Between the virus and the oil war, the Texas economy is going to be especially hard hit.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (trdmm)
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Choose your self-presentations carefully, for what starts out as a mask may become your face.
Posted by: Erving Goffman at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (uEbPt)
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Not a lie. Surgical masks are for the sole purpose of preventing a doctor sneezing on or inadvertently spitting on (or inside) a patient. That's all they're good for.
Only gas mask type apparatus with an uninterrupted seal can keep a virus from transmitting.
Only gas mask type apparatus with an uninterrupted seal can keep a virus from transmitting.
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (0jZvB)
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wear the mask
Seeing people driving ALONE with windows rolled up (still cool weather here) AND WEARING MASKS. C'mon, man!
Seeing people driving ALONE with windows rolled up (still cool weather here) AND WEARING MASKS. C'mon, man!
Posted by: getting masks for the banned back together at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (8h8q2)
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The media has such little respect for conservatives and Trump supporters, they can't even refer to Mike Lindell by his name.
He's only known as "The My Pillow Guy."
At least everyone knows his company, now.
He's only known as "The My Pillow Guy."
At least everyone knows his company, now.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)
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My husband had four N95 masks in his warehouse, and gave them to a pediatrician friend.
The scared, selfish part of me wanted us to keep two of them.
The scared, selfish part of me wanted us to keep two of them.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (ptqGC)
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The masks aren't 100% proof, they are of limited value, but do help YOU from contaminating those around you.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (KZzsI)
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I never understood all the folderol about '3d printing' masks, since making a plastic shell still didn't include any filter elements.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (oVJmc)
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You know what?
By 4/15 enough people are going to say "fuck it" and head out.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (CqE5x)
Maybe. I agree, I don't see how this goes on forever. Social shaming and laws only go so far.
But... we shall see.
By 4/15 enough people are going to say "fuck it" and head out.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (CqE5x)
Maybe. I agree, I don't see how this goes on forever. Social shaming and laws only go so far.
But... we shall see.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (ZkXld)
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@realDonaldTrump
Great news! American families will now be able to buy safer, more affordable, and environmentally friendly cars with our new SAFE VEHICLES RULE. Get rid of those old, unsafe clunkers. Build better and safer American cars and create American jobs. Buy American!
My Administration is helping U.S. auto workers by replacing the failed Obama Emissions Rule. Impossible to satisfy its Green New Deal Standard; Lots of unnecessary and expensive penalties to car buyers!
My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3500, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Positive impact on the environment! Foolish executives!
Great news! American families will now be able to buy safer, more affordable, and environmentally friendly cars with our new SAFE VEHICLES RULE. Get rid of those old, unsafe clunkers. Build better and safer American cars and create American jobs. Buy American!
My Administration is helping U.S. auto workers by replacing the failed Obama Emissions Rule. Impossible to satisfy its Green New Deal Standard; Lots of unnecessary and expensive penalties to car buyers!
My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3500, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Positive impact on the environment! Foolish executives!
Posted by: Tami at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (cF8AT)
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>>>50 The fear has possessed so many people, even on this blog. No wonder it has been so easy to lock everyone down.
you're the one arguing for as long of a lockdown as possible.
You scoff at any alternative to a lockdown.
So enjoy the semipermanent lockdown you're arguing for.
you're the one arguing for as long of a lockdown as possible.
You scoff at any alternative to a lockdown.
So enjoy the semipermanent lockdown you're arguing for.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (PbpT7)
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I can't have this argument. I'm out of this thread.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (PbpT7)
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In just the past day or two, he says he loves that a pastor in Tampa just got arrested for still holding two public worship services.
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Everybody wants to go to Heaven. Nobody wants to die.
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Everybody wants to go to Heaven. Nobody wants to die.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (+y/Ru)
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Masques do not work
Posted by: Edgar Allan Poe at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (2N7oZ)
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The real thing that pissed off the lefties was Lindell talking about Christianity.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (oVJmc)
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People of Walmart in the time of Coronavirus:
https://tinyurl.com/qlyr8hq
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (ptqGC)
Now that is funny. Thanks for sharing that. BTW - Mrs OCiS and I hit Walmart over the weekend and saw exactly what picture #3 shows.
People of Walmart in the time of Coronavirus:
https://tinyurl.com/qlyr8hq
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (ptqGC)
Now that is funny. Thanks for sharing that. BTW - Mrs OCiS and I hit Walmart over the weekend and saw exactly what picture #3 shows.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (N39Ws)
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79 again, it seems that some people think that the jury is still out on the germ theory of disease.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (PbpT7)
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Call me when your humors are out of alignment.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (PbpT7)
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Call me when your humors are out of alignment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (zZbCU)
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If my Modeling Predictions are correct: Soon you won't be able to tell the difference between Tucker Carlson and Nancy Grace.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (8Cjpz)
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>>>By 4/15 enough people are going to say "fuck it" and head out.
to where? Businesses that will be fined or lose their operating licenses if they open?
to where? Businesses that will be fined or lose their operating licenses if they open?
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (d7Ww2)
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42 I heard today that the CDC is thinking of recommending everyone wear a mask when they go out.
However, the gloves have to be removed using your wrists rubbing them off, or you just transfer whatever you came in contact with on your hands. And yes, you should dispose of them after every use.
A local nurse said she doesn't use the gloves when she goes to the grocery store, or a mask. She sanitizes her hands before leaving her car, and carries sanitizing wipes in her purse. When she returns to her car, she wipes the door handle and when she's home, wipes down her groceries and counter.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (ptqGC)
The wrist thing is silly.
Use weak hand to pull glove off dominant hand, still hold onto glove. Grab weak hand glove on inside of wrist, pull it where it turns inside-out, containing the other glove that you were holding. Dispose of properly.
You never touch any contact surface that way, the inside is out, and all contaminated surfaces are contained within.
However, the gloves have to be removed using your wrists rubbing them off, or you just transfer whatever you came in contact with on your hands. And yes, you should dispose of them after every use.
A local nurse said she doesn't use the gloves when she goes to the grocery store, or a mask. She sanitizes her hands before leaving her car, and carries sanitizing wipes in her purse. When she returns to her car, she wipes the door handle and when she's home, wipes down her groceries and counter.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (ptqGC)
The wrist thing is silly.
Use weak hand to pull glove off dominant hand, still hold onto glove. Grab weak hand glove on inside of wrist, pull it where it turns inside-out, containing the other glove that you were holding. Dispose of properly.
You never touch any contact surface that way, the inside is out, and all contaminated surfaces are contained within.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (J+mig)
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You don't even need a N95 mask to protect yourself. One of these would suffice...
https://twitter.com/SeriousCat5000/status/1245073259676262400/photo/1
https://twitter.com/SeriousCat5000/status/1245073259676262400/photo/1
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (zqs/f)
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Truth is a white privilege social construct ... or something.
Posted by: ShainS at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (RZE1M)
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (PbpT7)
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Also, you are gonna need eye protection.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (gKD7h)
Glasses will do a very good job.
Safety glasses with side shields are very, very good.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (gKD7h)
Glasses will do a very good job.
Safety glasses with side shields are very, very good.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (+0uDE)
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I want transparency and let the chips fall where they may. If that means a run on masks, so be it. Try to appeal to people's virtue and say hoarding them means health care workers may not get one, but don't lie.
Also, how on Earth did we win WW2 with Ford making bombers in a few months and we can't even fucking make paper masks.
Also, how on Earth did we win WW2 with Ford making bombers in a few months and we can't even fucking make paper masks.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (sjTfF)
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Yeah. Next time you're walking down the street, look at someone smoking or vaping. See all of that smoke / vapor coming out of their blow hole? You're breathing that in.
Smoke and vapor helps visualize how much of each others used, diseased air we're constantly breathing in. Anything to filter that air out, at least a little, is helpful.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (ZkXld)
Oh no!
Yeah. Next time you're walking down the street, look at someone smoking or vaping. See all of that smoke / vapor coming out of their blow hole? You're breathing that in.
Smoke and vapor helps visualize how much of each others used, diseased air we're constantly breathing in. Anything to filter that air out, at least a little, is helpful.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (ZkXld)
Oh no!
Posted by: Sooner at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (Fs5vw)
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69 Not a lie. Surgical masks are for the sole purpose of preventing a doctor sneezing on or inadvertently spitting on (or inside) a patient. That's all they're good for.
Only gas mask type apparatus with an uninterrupted seal can keep a virus from transmitting.
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (0jZvB)
They've done studies on this with flu transmission. viruses themselves are ludicrously tiny and can get through anything short of an n95 mask. However, most transmission is aerosol, as in, mixed in with peoples saliva (either exhaling or coughing or sneezing). Those droplets are huge compared to the actual viruses (which are in the droplets).
That's why the gov't is now saying any cloth barrier can be useful.
Only gas mask type apparatus with an uninterrupted seal can keep a virus from transmitting.
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (0jZvB)
They've done studies on this with flu transmission. viruses themselves are ludicrously tiny and can get through anything short of an n95 mask. However, most transmission is aerosol, as in, mixed in with peoples saliva (either exhaling or coughing or sneezing). Those droplets are huge compared to the actual viruses (which are in the droplets).
That's why the gov't is now saying any cloth barrier can be useful.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (ZkXld)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (pw+jk)
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Finally I won't look suspicious in public !
Posted by: Zorro at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (zr5Kq)
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Only gas mask type apparatus with an uninterrupted seal can keep a virus from transmitting.
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100% HAZMAT level protection sure, but a P95 or N95 will reduce the risk of catching or spreading it to near zero in most situations.
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100% HAZMAT level protection sure, but a P95 or N95 will reduce the risk of catching or spreading it to near zero in most situations.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (PRN3w)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (ZkXld)
See garrett above. Wearing the respirator is totally pointless without ALSO eye protection, etc..
The eyes are as much a point of entry as nose and mouth.
See garrett above. Wearing the respirator is totally pointless without ALSO eye protection, etc..
The eyes are as much a point of entry as nose and mouth.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (EZebt)
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If there's one organization that has shown itself to be utterly useless in all of this, it is WHO.
Did you guys see the WHO turdlette that got a Taiwan question from a reporter and went all Baghdad Bob on her.
Huh? I didn't hear the question. No, no, don't repeat the question, let's just move on.
*hangs up*
She called him back and asked him again. He acted confused, then told her he already talked about China.
What a tool.
Did you guys see the WHO turdlette that got a Taiwan question from a reporter and went all Baghdad Bob on her.
Huh? I didn't hear the question. No, no, don't repeat the question, let's just move on.
*hangs up*
She called him back and asked him again. He acted confused, then told her he already talked about China.
What a tool.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (9t0Zz)
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I am not so sure how much wearing masks will really help w/o complimentarly sterilizing every surface you touch? And And this is a fly like disease and it will spread. The big problem is nobody at this point, or very few, have an immunity to it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (85Gof)
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Donald Trump just lost me today.
And now news has come out that Trump wants to give the Democrats another chance to complete their Bolshevick Revolution with yet another Two Trillion Dollars in Helicopter Money Sweepstakes.
This con makes the treachery of the four senators that used inside information to strengthen their portfolios pale in comparison.
Because We need that extra push to resemble Zimbabwe.
Given the lawlessness and penchant for jack booted tyranny within the governors role...
It looks like we will be emulating Russia's system of oligarchs and War lords. If you are politically connected you win. Everyone else - your 401k and retirement is liquidated.
I don't care about November anymore. It is all over.
And now news has come out that Trump wants to give the Democrats another chance to complete their Bolshevick Revolution with yet another Two Trillion Dollars in Helicopter Money Sweepstakes.
This con makes the treachery of the four senators that used inside information to strengthen their portfolios pale in comparison.
Because We need that extra push to resemble Zimbabwe.
Given the lawlessness and penchant for jack booted tyranny within the governors role...
It looks like we will be emulating Russia's system of oligarchs and War lords. If you are politically connected you win. Everyone else - your 401k and retirement is liquidated.
I don't care about November anymore. It is all over.
Posted by: 🐧 at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (C+evo)
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Only gas mask type apparatus with an uninterrupted seal can keep a virus from transmitting.
Well, they are of some limited use in stopping aerial liquids containing the virus. Its not a lot, but its something.
Well, they are of some limited use in stopping aerial liquids containing the virus. Its not a lot, but its something.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (/rUIs)
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Depends on the mask on how you use it. They way I've seen most people use PPE, they're worthless.
And stop discarding you're fucking gloves in the shopping store parking lot for the challenged kid stacking carts to pick up. Assholes.
And stop discarding you're fucking gloves in the shopping store parking lot for the challenged kid stacking carts to pick up. Assholes.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (8/E19)
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you can't really trust any news during a war or pandemic or a day ending in y
Posted by: x at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (nFwvY)
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I really want a plague mask.
it would be awesome
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (d7Ww2)
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If you sew I bet you could find instructions for how to make one.
How's everything going out there on the front lines?
it would be awesome
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (d7Ww2)
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If you sew I bet you could find instructions for how to make one.
How's everything going out there on the front lines?
Posted by: bluebell at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (/669Q)
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People of Walmart in the time of Coronavirus:
https://tinyurl.com/qlyr8hq
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020
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Arrgh. I see stuff like that every time I go there . . . and even when I don't.
https://tinyurl.com/qlyr8hq
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020
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Arrgh. I see stuff like that every time I go there . . . and even when I don't.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (rpbg1)
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That's why the gov't is now saying any cloth barrier can be useful.
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Any word yet on if eating eggs is unhealthy again this year?
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Any word yet on if eating eggs is unhealthy again this year?
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (PRN3w)
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88 I really want a plague mask.
it would be awesome
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2
I want one too, while carrying a sign that reads "bring out your dead"
it would be awesome
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2
I want one too, while carrying a sign that reads "bring out your dead"
Posted by: CaliGirl at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (7bcfy)
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Everybody wants to go to Heaven. Nobody wants to die.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (+y/Ru)
And the all want the Kingdom, but they don't want God in it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (+y/Ru)
And the all want the Kingdom, but they don't want God in it.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (J+mig)
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Everybody knows the masks don't help studies were paid for by 'Big Pandemic.'
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (e1mEI)
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God this country is soft.
Posted by: rammajamma at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (SwWMX)
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103 I don't care about November anymore. It is all over.
Posted by: at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (C+evo)
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Disengage and bye, then.
Posted by: at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (C+evo)
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Disengage and bye, then.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (zZbCU)
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And can you blame them? The people whose guidances and orders we are supposed to follow without question were just telling us the lie that masks don't work, in order to free up supply for high-risk personnel.
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Masks aren't perfect, but based on my reading they help in two ways:
1) Apparently even poor masks (like those made of cotton that you sew up at home) aren't ineffective at stopping viral transmission. They aren't great and definitely inferior to the real thing, but they do some.
2) They help you not touch your face (or, rather, those sensitive mucus membranes that are peppered around your face).
But there are alternatives to just saying, "you don't need it, you reactionary now close your wallet and get out of the way." I dig that medical workers need them, and so do folks like construction workers who need them for non-medical PPE when sanding, spraying, etc. But encouraging people to wear them (even if supplies are being restricted to supply vital industries), providing guidance on how to make good ones, etc. would be a net benefit for two big reasons.
The first is that they are apparently *not* ineffective (and "not perfect" and "not effective at all" are very different things). The second is that by doing what they did when they declared that masks are useless and stupid for the plebes while they are out and about, they make people *less* inclined to wear them if they have or can get them or to make their own masks to wear - no one wants to look stupid or invite some busybody to lace into them at the grocery store.
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Masks aren't perfect, but based on my reading they help in two ways:
1) Apparently even poor masks (like those made of cotton that you sew up at home) aren't ineffective at stopping viral transmission. They aren't great and definitely inferior to the real thing, but they do some.
2) They help you not touch your face (or, rather, those sensitive mucus membranes that are peppered around your face).
But there are alternatives to just saying, "you don't need it, you reactionary now close your wallet and get out of the way." I dig that medical workers need them, and so do folks like construction workers who need them for non-medical PPE when sanding, spraying, etc. But encouraging people to wear them (even if supplies are being restricted to supply vital industries), providing guidance on how to make good ones, etc. would be a net benefit for two big reasons.
The first is that they are apparently *not* ineffective (and "not perfect" and "not effective at all" are very different things). The second is that by doing what they did when they declared that masks are useless and stupid for the plebes while they are out and about, they make people *less* inclined to wear them if they have or can get them or to make their own masks to wear - no one wants to look stupid or invite some busybody to lace into them at the grocery store.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (Q8c/L)
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>>>See garrett above. Wearing the respirator is totally pointless without ALSO eye protection, etc..
The eyes are as much a point of entry as nose and mouth.
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you still don't get that masks are more about not TRANSMITTING disease than not contracting it, huh?
I guess it's just all about saving yourself.
The eyes are as much a point of entry as nose and mouth.
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you still don't get that masks are more about not TRANSMITTING disease than not contracting it, huh?
I guess it's just all about saving yourself.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (PbpT7)
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Not sure why anyone listens to politicians about anything. 99% of them are nothing but lawyers with zero real world experience or knowledge about anything else.
I always do my own research about everything.
Couple weeks ago, I found this information on masks. Good info.
https://bit.ly/2xCrczu
I always do my own research about everything.
Couple weeks ago, I found this information on masks. Good info.
https://bit.ly/2xCrczu
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (Do5/p)
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Not a lie. Surgical masks are for the sole purpose of preventing a doctor sneezing on or inadvertently spitting on (or inside) a patient. That's all they're good for.
Only gas mask type apparatus with an uninterrupted seal can keep a virus from transmitting.
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (0jZvB)
DIY seal with bandaid style paper tape ???
Only gas mask type apparatus with an uninterrupted seal can keep a virus from transmitting.
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (0jZvB)
DIY seal with bandaid style paper tape ???
Posted by: Adriane the Plague Doctor Uniform Critic ... at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (LPnfS)
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@realDonaldTrump
Great news! American families will now be able to buy safer, more affordable, and environmentally friendly cars with our new SAFE VEHICLES RULE. Get rid of those old, unsafe clunkers. Build better and safer American cars and create American jobs. Buy American!
My Administration is helping U.S. auto workers by replacing the failed Obama Emissions Rule. Impossible to satisfy its Green New Deal Standard; Lots of unnecessary and expensive penalties to car buyers!
My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3500, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Positive impact on the environment! Foolish executives!
Posted by: Tami at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (cF8AT)
I thought this was a parody.
I'm gobsmacked. This is Kash for Klunkers 2
Great news! American families will now be able to buy safer, more affordable, and environmentally friendly cars with our new SAFE VEHICLES RULE. Get rid of those old, unsafe clunkers. Build better and safer American cars and create American jobs. Buy American!
My Administration is helping U.S. auto workers by replacing the failed Obama Emissions Rule. Impossible to satisfy its Green New Deal Standard; Lots of unnecessary and expensive penalties to car buyers!
My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3500, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Positive impact on the environment! Foolish executives!
Posted by: Tami at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (cF8AT)
I thought this was a parody.
I'm gobsmacked. This is Kash for Klunkers 2
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (CqE5x)
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You can't handle the truth comrades, one day's truth at a time, that's the ticket!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (BiNEL)
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100% HAZMAT level protection sure, but a P95 or N95 will reduce the risk of catching or spreading it to near zero in most situations.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (PRN3w)
Exactly. It's absurd to believe that cancer patients are told to wear them because they offer no protection.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (PRN3w)
Exactly. It's absurd to believe that cancer patients are told to wear them because they offer no protection.
Posted by: CN at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (ONvIw)
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Cato, that line is actually in a U2 song. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (L2ZTs)
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You can get a Bubonic Plague Doctor Kit at Amazon for $25. Bet it works as well as a mask.
https://www.amazon.com/elope-Plague-Doctor-Kit/dp/B07ZBNVR6V
https://www.amazon.com/elope-Plague-Doctor-Kit/dp/B07ZBNVR6V
Posted by: Puddin Head at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (NLDk+)
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Yeah I spotted it right off. Basically talking about the effectiveness of masks based on the particulate size of the virus instead of the necessary moisture drop that carries it which is thousands of times bigger.
Posted by: mikethemoose at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (Y6UV7)
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Did you guys see the WHO turdlette that got a Taiwan question from a reporter and went all Baghdad Bob on her.
Yeah apparently that guy is now nowhere to be found at WHO and cannot be called any more.
Yeah apparently that guy is now nowhere to be found at WHO and cannot be called any more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (KZzsI)
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Everybody wants to go to Heaven
I have it on good sources, that hell is much more fun. Aside from those pineapples.
I have it on good sources, that hell is much more fun. Aside from those pineapples.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (85Gof)
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AOC will be waving her arms and shouting, so we've got that going for us, which is nice.
Posted by: BourbonChicken with Face Colander at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (LxTcq)
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80 I can't have this argument. I'm out of this thread.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (PbpT7)
You assholes! You chased happy fun ace out of the thread.
What exactly did you do?
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (PbpT7)
You assholes! You chased happy fun ace out of the thread.
What exactly did you do?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (gd9RK)
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Masks give you another reason to touch your face.
Also, you are gonna need eye protection.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (gKD7h)
*starts digging around for a WWI gas mask*
I've got to have something terrifying enough around here somewhere...
Also, you are gonna need eye protection.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (gKD7h)
*starts digging around for a WWI gas mask*
I've got to have something terrifying enough around here somewhere...
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (8D42x)
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Finally I won't look suspicious in public !
Posted by: Zorro at March 31, 2020
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Don't forget about us!
Posted by: Zorro at March 31, 2020
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Don't forget about us!
Posted by: Green Hornet and Lone Ranger at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (rpbg1)
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And if Baby Tucker wants to cry about the Surgeon General and dunk on him, grow some balls and have him on again.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (8/E19)
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Hey TJM, could you please send me Moviegique's email address? I need to send something to him/her. I'm at QDPSJL at the gmail thingy.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (L2ZTs)
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i have one. It is awesome. It is hot and rubbery though.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (PbpT7)
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Perfect disguise to wear to our MoMe. No one will know it's you.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (PbpT7)
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Perfect disguise to wear to our MoMe. No one will know it's you.
Posted by: bluebell at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (/669Q)
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Democrats on the dole don't work.
Posted by: Roy at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (ABjxW)
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (G546f)
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People in China don't wear masks for diseases. They wear them because their air is horrible. They still unleashed Kung Flu.
It might be marginally better to wear them. However, unless they are the high quality kind, you're still breathing out or in the virus. It will cut down on some particulates. Really, washing hands and keeping distance is the best defense. And not being a complete spaz while recognizing life has risks.
It might be marginally better to wear them. However, unless they are the high quality kind, you're still breathing out or in the virus. It will cut down on some particulates. Really, washing hands and keeping distance is the best defense. And not being a complete spaz while recognizing life has risks.
Posted by: WOPR at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (qI+4l)
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Masks sort of work.. If you keep your fingers out of your eyes.. Good luck finding them though... That being said, I've stopped watching Tucker because of the hysteria he seems to be having recently.. And yes I know the china virus is dangerous
Posted by: Chris Cuomo begging for the drug at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (5bxa0)
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>>>103 Donald Trump just lost me today.
And now news has come out that Trump wants to give the Democrats another chance to complete their Bolshevick Revolution with yet another Two Trillion Dollars in Helicopter Money Sweepstakes.
This con makes the treachery of the four senators that used inside information to strengthen their portfolios pale in comparison.
Because We need that extra push to resemble Zimbabwe.
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Can I ask how you propose that businesses and individuals will live -- other than becoming armed scavengers -- with near-zero economic activity?
And now news has come out that Trump wants to give the Democrats another chance to complete their Bolshevick Revolution with yet another Two Trillion Dollars in Helicopter Money Sweepstakes.
This con makes the treachery of the four senators that used inside information to strengthen their portfolios pale in comparison.
Because We need that extra push to resemble Zimbabwe.
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Can I ask how you propose that businesses and individuals will live -- other than becoming armed scavengers -- with near-zero economic activity?
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (PbpT7)
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You could probably make decent money producing plague masks with P95 filter inserts.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (PRN3w)
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (zr5Kq)
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Damn it, Tonto! This mask won't help at all!
Posted by: The Lone Ranger at March 31, 2020 03:59 PM (+y/Ru)
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How are you supposed to wear masks that aren't available? Yeah yeah sew you're own blah blah blah. I don't sew and loose fabric is not a mask.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 31, 2020 03:59 PM (lwiT4)
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Also, politicians lying about everything all the time is why a large percentage of the population is saying lolgf when it comes to "social distancing". Because a lot of people don't believe SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19 is serious.
It's a 'boy who cried wolf' scenario.
And the lying about the masks is not going to convince those people to start believing politicians about anything anytime soon.
It's a 'boy who cried wolf' scenario.
And the lying about the masks is not going to convince those people to start believing politicians about anything anytime soon.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 31, 2020 03:59 PM (Do5/p)
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If I put on a mask to go out during the great Chinese lung rot plague it will be one of the following....
Rubber Freddy Krueger mask
Authentic style Medieval plague mask.
Those are the only acceptable options.
Rubber Freddy Krueger mask
Authentic style Medieval plague mask.
Those are the only acceptable options.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at March 31, 2020 03:59 PM (myjNJ)
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If masks don't help, why does any one need one?Besides, they DO hide the ugly.BTW, make your own. Easy to make. Tutorials all over the internet and even if you don't sew... there's hot glue.Or find the "Sewing Girl" in your family. She's probably already has the pattern.
Everyone in your family should have a couple of washable masks; if not for this virus, for the next one. We are NOT at the top of the food chain.
Everyone in your family should have a couple of washable masks; if not for this virus, for the next one. We are NOT at the top of the food chain.
Posted by: itsacookbook at March 31, 2020 03:59 PM (yPxXc)
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part of the mask.shortage is because Chinese ppl have bern buying up local supplies and shipping them to China
reportedly (according to Australia - check Daily Mail) on orders of the CCP
reportedly (according to Australia - check Daily Mail) on orders of the CCP
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 03:59 PM (G546f)
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92 >>>88 I really want a plague mask.
i have one. It is awesome. It is hot and rubbery though.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (PbpT7)
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My son was a plague doctor for Halloween a couple years back. Had a very cool rubber mask. Problem was, whoever designed it didn't think you actually needed to breathe under it, and so had not included any air holes. We had to cut a section out under the beak so he wouldn't pass out.
i have one. It is awesome. It is hot and rubbery though.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (PbpT7)
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My son was a plague doctor for Halloween a couple years back. Had a very cool rubber mask. Problem was, whoever designed it didn't think you actually needed to breathe under it, and so had not included any air holes. We had to cut a section out under the beak so he wouldn't pass out.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at March 31, 2020 03:59 PM (CAJOC)
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Quick aside, Susan Rice is a vile POS
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 03:59 PM (85Gof)
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i have one. It is awesome. It is hot and rubbery though.
Posted by: ace
I didn't know I could love you more
Posted by: ace
I didn't know I could love you more
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (d7Ww2)
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See garrett above. Wearing the respirator is totally pointless without ALSO eye protection, etc..
The eyes are as much a point of entry as nose and mouth.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (EZebt)
a) yes you can get viruses through your eyes. I wear glasses most days (sometimes contacts), so my eyes are already pretty covered. But, sure, feel free to add safety glasses to your mask and you're in a great position to go.
and, more importantly
b) the wearing masks is more about YOU not sneezing in my eyeballs. If you're wearing a mask, your germs will stay away from my eyeballs in the first place.
The eyes are as much a point of entry as nose and mouth.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 31, 2020 03:56 PM (EZebt)
a) yes you can get viruses through your eyes. I wear glasses most days (sometimes contacts), so my eyes are already pretty covered. But, sure, feel free to add safety glasses to your mask and you're in a great position to go.
and, more importantly
b) the wearing masks is more about YOU not sneezing in my eyeballs. If you're wearing a mask, your germs will stay away from my eyeballs in the first place.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (ZkXld)
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>>again, it seems that some people think that the jury is still out on the germ theory of disease.
Theories are nice and all, but asbestos proved that surgical (and in particular, paper) masks are useless when attempting to prevent particulate matter from getting into the lungs.
I learned this when I became a certified asbestos remover a few years back.
Theories are nice and all, but asbestos proved that surgical (and in particular, paper) masks are useless when attempting to prevent particulate matter from getting into the lungs.
I learned this when I became a certified asbestos remover a few years back.
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (0jZvB)
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I don't know, Ace.
It seems that the guidance is still pretty uniform that masks are most effective when you are in intimate contact/distance with an infected for 20-30 minutes or more.
Of course a mask would help on the off chance that there is a sneezer spewing greater than six feet from you and you catch a stray aerosolized glob of virus. It would help more if it was the sneezer was wearing one, which seems fairly consistent since the beginning.
The biggest benefit - with the presumed primary vector being hand to mouth/nose/eyes from an infected surface - is keeping your booger hooks out of your nose and mouth and off your face.
It seems that the guidance is still pretty uniform that masks are most effective when you are in intimate contact/distance with an infected for 20-30 minutes or more.
Of course a mask would help on the off chance that there is a sneezer spewing greater than six feet from you and you catch a stray aerosolized glob of virus. It would help more if it was the sneezer was wearing one, which seems fairly consistent since the beginning.
The biggest benefit - with the presumed primary vector being hand to mouth/nose/eyes from an infected surface - is keeping your booger hooks out of your nose and mouth and off your face.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (KnJdm)
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Masks give you another reason to touch your face.
Also, you are gonna need eye protection.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (gKD7h)
Juicy eyeballs!!! YUM!
Also, you are gonna need eye protection.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (gKD7h)
Juicy eyeballs!!! YUM!
Posted by: KUNG FLU at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (qI+4l)
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (+0uDE)
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Illinois extending economy-killing lockdown to the end of April...and it's not even the most draconian at this point.
So I cannot earn a living for another month.
Fuck the old
Fuck the weak
Fuck the anxious
This is the tyranny of the weak writ large.
So I cannot earn a living for another month.
Fuck the old
Fuck the weak
Fuck the anxious
This is the tyranny of the weak writ large.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (DY3v8)
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I suspect the vast majority of transmissions happen from common use spaces, not random encounters in public. I think 100% no touching face would be more effective than 100% masks in public.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (zqs/f)
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79 again, it seems that some people think that the jury is still out on the germ theory of disease.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (PbpT7)
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It's an imbalance in the humours. Blood-letting is the only reasonable course of action.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:54 PM (PbpT7)
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It's an imbalance in the humours. Blood-letting is the only reasonable course of action.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (CAJOC)
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>>you still don't get that masks are more about not TRANSMITTING disease than not contracting it, huh?
>>I guess it's just all about saving yourself.
Don't get hysterical now.
Just pointing out that masks are not necessarily the answer to our woes and can very well impart a false sense of security that would undermine the whole point of this (over re-) action.
>>I guess it's just all about saving yourself.
Don't get hysterical now.
Just pointing out that masks are not necessarily the answer to our woes and can very well impart a false sense of security that would undermine the whole point of this (over re-) action.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (8LJ8V)
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I want to know what it is that is so awful about that compared to the flu.
That's not argumentative, that's a question.
Why are we putting 30-40% of American workers out of work for however long?
Is this wildly contagious or not?
Is it a death sentence or not?
Is this bioengineered or not?
How, specifically, is this not like the flu?
That's not argumentative, that's a question.
Why are we putting 30-40% of American workers out of work for however long?
Is this wildly contagious or not?
Is it a death sentence or not?
Is this bioengineered or not?
How, specifically, is this not like the flu?
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (mf5HN)
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63 If there's one organization that has shown itself to be utterly useless in all of this, it is WHO.
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My favorite WHO story is when they sent tens of millions of pounds of dried milk to South Africa in the 70s in order to help provide adequate nutrition for the people who couldn't take care of themselves.
You know. The population that is something like 99% lactose intolerant.
It was used as paint. Everything for miles painted white.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (PRN3w)
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And they, or the UN -- same thing -- are demanding $100 billion for COVID-19 intervention in Africa, saying the continent faces "unprecedented" disaster from the disease. ... Right now, the WHO sitreps show Africa with a tiny fraction of a fraction of the world's cases, and that only because of S.Africa and Algeria. Subsaharan Africa looks virtually immune to this disease. "unprecedented" indeed, in a continent where a half-million die every year from malaria, not to mention scores of other diseases you can't pronounce or never heard of.
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My favorite WHO story is when they sent tens of millions of pounds of dried milk to South Africa in the 70s in order to help provide adequate nutrition for the people who couldn't take care of themselves.
You know. The population that is something like 99% lactose intolerant.
It was used as paint. Everything for miles painted white.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:52 PM (PRN3w)
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And they, or the UN -- same thing -- are demanding $100 billion for COVID-19 intervention in Africa, saying the continent faces "unprecedented" disaster from the disease. ... Right now, the WHO sitreps show Africa with a tiny fraction of a fraction of the world's cases, and that only because of S.Africa and Algeria. Subsaharan Africa looks virtually immune to this disease. "unprecedented" indeed, in a continent where a half-million die every year from malaria, not to mention scores of other diseases you can't pronounce or never heard of.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (TXOkZ)
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At my major hospital, access is now limited to a number of entrances. Everyone is screened at the door (typical questions, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow), and if you pass (none shall pass!) you are given a squirt of hand sanitizer, an ear loop mask (not N95) and a brown paper bag. At the end of the day, you place it in the bag and drop it in a bin for sterilization and re-use. This was implemented today. Yesterday we were told that if everyone couldn't get masks, then no one was allowed to wear masks (unless indicated). So every day is a new day around he'ah.
Posted by: stumck at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (uksaT)
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Years ago during the first Gulf War, Israel disptributed full face Gas Masks to everyone...turned out the filters were defective ( Probably made in China )
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (85Gof)
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Seeing people driving ALONE with windows rolled up (still cool weather here) AND WEARING MASKS. C'mon, man!
Posted by: getting masks for the banned back together at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (8h8q2)
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I can sort of get that. My house is clean and I just washed my hands. I put my mask on before I leave because I am just running down the street to get groceries. I'll take it off when I get home after washing my hands. I can get that in the context of "minimize hand-to-face contact when in an unknown environment."
Posted by: getting masks for the banned back together at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (8h8q2)
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I can sort of get that. My house is clean and I just washed my hands. I put my mask on before I leave because I am just running down the street to get groceries. I'll take it off when I get home after washing my hands. I can get that in the context of "minimize hand-to-face contact when in an unknown environment."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (Q8c/L)
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L A sheriff just removed from emergency operations dept!
Posted by: getting the banned rofl at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (8h8q2)
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I'm thinking of wearing a burka - will that help?
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (G546f)
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i have one. It is awesome. It is hot and rubbery though.
Posted by: ace
plague mask, sex toy.
tomayto, tomahto.
Posted by: ace
plague mask, sex toy.
tomayto, tomahto.
Posted by: Roy at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (ABjxW)
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77 >>>50 The fear has possessed so many people, even on this blog. No wonder it has been so easy to lock everyone down.
you're the one arguing for as long of a lockdown as possible.
You scoff at any alternative to a lockdown.
So enjoy the semipermanent lockdown you're arguing for.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (PbpT7)
I'd like to see the same attitude this nation shows during the annual flu season. No shutdowns, no isolations, just common sense behavior.
you're the one arguing for as long of a lockdown as possible.
You scoff at any alternative to a lockdown.
So enjoy the semipermanent lockdown you're arguing for.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (PbpT7)
I'd like to see the same attitude this nation shows during the annual flu season. No shutdowns, no isolations, just common sense behavior.
Posted by: Sooner at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (Fs5vw)
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What I do know is that it is practically impossible to flush N95s down a toilet, so they are not the best substitute for toilet paper.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (Hcsoi)
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That's why we hid 39 million of them. Trump said they were bad!
Posted by: SEIU at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (CDGwz)
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San Franpsycho is correct. A cloth mask does not filter out a virus. Remember we never even saw then until the electron microscope.
Posted by: AnnaS at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (l4l/z)
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Also, politicians lying about everything all the time is why a large percentage of the population is saying lolgf when it comes to "social distancing". Because a lot of people don't believe SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19 is serious.
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I think most people believe it's serious. It's just that a lot of people believe it's been here longer than the experts say , is only dangerous for the old and infirm, and the timing of all this is just too suspect
There is a degree of truth in all of this.
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I think most people believe it's serious. It's just that a lot of people believe it's been here longer than the experts say , is only dangerous for the old and infirm, and the timing of all this is just too suspect
There is a degree of truth in all of this.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (CqE5x)
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The fear has possessed so many people, even on this blog. No wonder it has been so easy to lock everyone down.
Corona Virus has always been the MacGuffin.
What you should understand now, is that we are witnessing a coup d'etat of the US Constitution and the wrecking of free markets and western civilization.
The best we can hope for is a Russian system of billionaire, politically connected oligarchs who rule by fiat and whimsy.
Considering how wicked and hate-filled our Ruling Class is, they will probably treat us like the buffalo when the plains were filled with them.
Corona Virus has always been the MacGuffin.
What you should understand now, is that we are witnessing a coup d'etat of the US Constitution and the wrecking of free markets and western civilization.
The best we can hope for is a Russian system of billionaire, politically connected oligarchs who rule by fiat and whimsy.
Considering how wicked and hate-filled our Ruling Class is, they will probably treat us like the buffalo when the plains were filled with them.
Posted by: 🐧 at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (C+evo)
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Ugly people should be required to wear those masks, so the last thing the rest of us see before the WooHoo flu kills us is an ugly person. Issue Hillary a paper bag too, just to be safe.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (o2MD2)
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Where's Antifa these days? I miss laughing at them.
Posted by: Puddin Head at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (NLDk+)
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I think it's true that they don't help when used improperly like most people would probably do. Like wear them and still wipe their eyes or take them off and touch their face. The healthcare workers know how to use them properly.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (+0AKE)
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>>I don't care about November anymore. It is all over.
This reminds me of Red Hat Guy.
'It's over man, it's over!'
This reminds me of Red Hat Guy.
'It's over man, it's over!'
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (8LJ8V)
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The eyes are as much a point of entry as nose and mouth.
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I'll never recover from seeing Lena Dunham naked.
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I'll never recover from seeing Lena Dunham naked.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (+y/Ru)
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apes don't work either.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (KnJdm)
NO CAPES!!
-- Edna Mode
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 03:51 PM (KnJdm)
NO CAPES!!
-- Edna Mode
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (8D42x)
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I try not to touch my face now...so I keep my hands in my pants playing pocket billards
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (85Gof)
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I'm gobsmacked. This is Kash for Klunkers 2
Posted by: JoeF.
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It's weakening the ridiculous CAFE fuel economy standards the Obama Deep State put in place on their way out the door.
I don't see anything about paying people to destroy their cars.
Posted by: JoeF.
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It's weakening the ridiculous CAFE fuel economy standards the Obama Deep State put in place on their way out the door.
I don't see anything about paying people to destroy their cars.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (sjTfF)
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It was a lie, and now people still believe the lie and are still saying "masks don't help."
I was promised 50 million dead from this. Don't tell me that was a lie too.
I was promised 50 million dead from this. Don't tell me that was a lie too.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (W2taJ)
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I see the MFM are jizzing themselves that there are now more deaths from Flu Manchu in America than in China. Because the numbers out of China are so legit
I see the MFM are jizzing themselves that there are now more deaths from Flu Manchu in America than in China. Because the numbers out of China are so legit
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (/rUIs)
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>>Quick aside, Susan Rice is a vile POS
Aw geez, what did she say now?
I really hate the Obama admin attack dogs. STFU.
Aw geez, what did she say now?
I really hate the Obama admin attack dogs. STFU.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (bDqIh)
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Yes, Tucker, you're a Smart Boy for figuring out the painfully obvious. Unfortunately there are too many crazy douchebags who don't understand that masks are most needed for the ones with regular exposure to China Flu, so they have to be dissuaded any way possible.
Honestly, while I look down on Tucker, I don't watch his show or think he's an actual nationalist so I'm not bothered. I'm much more angry about the people who sent medical equipment to China before those treacherous dog eaters started sending back defective equipment to the West. If their cities were all nuked into glass I would only shrug.
Honestly, while I look down on Tucker, I don't watch his show or think he's an actual nationalist so I'm not bothered. I'm much more angry about the people who sent medical equipment to China before those treacherous dog eaters started sending back defective equipment to the West. If their cities were all nuked into glass I would only shrug.
Posted by: trev006 at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (0HpOW)
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I don't talk to my family without a mask on. I don't leave the house without a mask on. I wear an N-95 for all patient contacts.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (dNzKv)
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What would Greg House do in this situation?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (rpbg1)
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I thought this was a parody.
I'm gobsmacked. This is Kash for Klunkers 2
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (CqE5x)
It's a rollback of impossible Obama-era emissions standards that would have ratcheted up to 50 miles per gallon by 2025. Impossible with current technology, and he was absolurely spot-on about the extra costs those standards imposed on the consumer.
The rest was just being a cheerleader and trying to drive sales in a down economy. I don't think they're actually giving people money to buy cars.
I'm gobsmacked. This is Kash for Klunkers 2
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (CqE5x)
It's a rollback of impossible Obama-era emissions standards that would have ratcheted up to 50 miles per gallon by 2025. Impossible with current technology, and he was absolurely spot-on about the extra costs those standards imposed on the consumer.
The rest was just being a cheerleader and trying to drive sales in a down economy. I don't think they're actually giving people money to buy cars.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (J+mig)
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Illinois extending economy-killing lockdown to the end of April...and it's not even the most draconian at this point.
So I cannot earn a living for another month.
Fuck the old
Fuck the weak
Fuck the anxious
This is the tyranny of the weak writ large.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (DY3v
I'm so sorry, Big Fat Meanie. Rev works in Illinois. I guess that means he's shut down too. Pritzger. Ugh.
So I cannot earn a living for another month.
Fuck the old
Fuck the weak
Fuck the anxious
This is the tyranny of the weak writ large.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (DY3v
I'm so sorry, Big Fat Meanie. Rev works in Illinois. I guess that means he's shut down too. Pritzger. Ugh.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (lwiT4)
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Can I ask how you propose that businesses and
individuals will live -- other than becoming armed scavengers -- with
near-zero economic activity?
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (PbpT7)
If that happens, I am wearing Demi Rose as a plague mask.
individuals will live -- other than becoming armed scavengers -- with
near-zero economic activity?
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (PbpT7)
If that happens, I am wearing Demi Rose as a plague mask.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (KnJdm)
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>>>160 I want to know what it is that is so awful about that compared to the flu.
supposedly three times as contagious -- because it's "sticky," I think, and hangs around alive on surfaces for long times -- and it's ten to twelve times as deadly.
flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
supposedly three times as contagious -- because it's "sticky," I think, and hangs around alive on surfaces for long times -- and it's ten to twelve times as deadly.
flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (PbpT7)
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Someone had posted about this on Friday last week, saying the CDC was going to revise their guidance about masks in ten days.
IOW on Monday April 6, next week
IOW on Monday April 6, next week
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (+0uDE)
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Imma start selling fireproof shampoo.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (oVJmc)
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Quick aside, Susan Rice is a vile POS
Aw geez, what did she say now?
I really hate the Obama admin attack dogs. STFU.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (bDqIh)
PDT is afraid of strong black women and yada yada yada
Aw geez, what did she say now?
I really hate the Obama admin attack dogs. STFU.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (bDqIh)
PDT is afraid of strong black women and yada yada yada
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (85Gof)
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Hi bluebell!
I'm only in the acute clinic twice per week.
Their clinic is slow today, but #twoweeks!
More people are out walking dogs and riding bikes. I saw a couple of dads riding bikes with younger boys yesterday. It was so cool. I bet this is a good time for families to reconnect and spend some time with each other.
Too bad my kids are grown, it's just me and the cat.
I'm only in the acute clinic twice per week.
Their clinic is slow today, but #twoweeks!
More people are out walking dogs and riding bikes. I saw a couple of dads riding bikes with younger boys yesterday. It was so cool. I bet this is a good time for families to reconnect and spend some time with each other.
Too bad my kids are grown, it's just me and the cat.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (d7Ww2)
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21 mhhhmhl frugic hhhehmmmmmeleeeellll
Posted by: Bane at March 31, 2020 03:46 PM (BRpqW)
Ok, that was funny.
Posted by: Bane at March 31, 2020 03:46 PM (BRpqW)
Ok, that was funny.
Posted by: Gem at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (65i3Q)
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How is Mexico fairing these days? Rampant plague outbreak or not much to talk about?
Posted by: A dude in MI at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (/6GbT)
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The government also lied to us and told us that burning jet fuel melts steel. Rosie knows better!
BTW, WTF happened to her?
BTW, WTF happened to her?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (dNzKv)
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Chinese wear mask to prevent the formation of huge filthy boogers.
Posted by: Puddin Head at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (NLDk+)
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181 I'm gobsmacked. This is Kash for Klunkers 2
Posted by: JoeF.
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It's weakening the ridiculous CAFE fuel economy standards the Obama Deep State put in place on their way out the door.
I don't see anything about paying people to destroy their cars.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (sjTfF)
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Yeah, Trump is just encouraging people to buy new cars by promising them cheaper new cars with the relaxed standards.
That's not paying them to trash old cars.
Posted by: JoeF.
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It's weakening the ridiculous CAFE fuel economy standards the Obama Deep State put in place on their way out the door.
I don't see anything about paying people to destroy their cars.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (sjTfF)
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Yeah, Trump is just encouraging people to buy new cars by promising them cheaper new cars with the relaxed standards.
That's not paying them to trash old cars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (zZbCU)
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The wrist thing is silly.
Use weak hand to pull glove off dominant hand, still hold onto
glove. Grab weak hand glove on inside of wrist, pull it where it turns
inside-out, containing the other glove that you were holding. Dispose
of properly.
You never touch any contact surface that way, the inside is out, and all contaminated surfaces are contained within.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (J+mig)
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I own an RV. I dump the black tank.
I know how to take gloves off without getting poop juice on my hands. Like Cato said it is basic.
People are stupid and getting more stupid by the second.
Use weak hand to pull glove off dominant hand, still hold onto
glove. Grab weak hand glove on inside of wrist, pull it where it turns
inside-out, containing the other glove that you were holding. Dispose
of properly.
You never touch any contact surface that way, the inside is out, and all contaminated surfaces are contained within.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (J+mig)
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I own an RV. I dump the black tank.
I know how to take gloves off without getting poop juice on my hands. Like Cato said it is basic.
People are stupid and getting more stupid by the second.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (pw+jk)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (ptqGC)
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I'm sorry, but Tucker is too hysterical for me right now...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (5bxa0)
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>>I see the MFM are jizzing themselves that there are now more deaths from Flu Manchu in America than in China. Because the numbers out of China are so legit
Translation: "I want more dead Americans to score political points against #OrangeManBad!!"
How to the kids say it nowadays? Not a good look.
Translation: "I want more dead Americans to score political points against #OrangeManBad!!"
How to the kids say it nowadays? Not a good look.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (bDqIh)
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This virus is some bad shit. I know four people who died from it. Some were older and comprised, one was not to the best of my knowledge. I also know more people who has it. One intubated, one getting out in a day and one asymptomatic but tested positive. The one getting out of the hospital said a few days ago he was thinking about asking someone to shoot him.
I think you can only lock people up for so long. But at this point to not take every mitigation you can is foolish for you and your family.
I think you can only lock people up for so long. But at this point to not take every mitigation you can is foolish for you and your family.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (8/E19)
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I see the MFM are jizzing themselves that there are now more deaths from Flu Manchu in America than in China. Because the numbers out of China are so legit
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (/rUIs)+
Well, technically deaths by CCP action don't count toward the WuFlu count.
I see the MFM are jizzing themselves that there are now more deaths from Flu Manchu in America than in China. Because the numbers out of China are so legit
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (/rUIs)+
Well, technically deaths by CCP action don't count toward the WuFlu count.
Posted by: Roy at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (ABjxW)
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The Captain of the Theodore Roosevelt reports 100 cases of Chinese Attack Virus, and growing. He's docked in Guam and wants to offload his sailors and disinfect the ship.
If China deliberately infected sailors while they were out and about during their port call in Da Nang, it would not surprise me at all. Remember the Chinese state media tried to get a sick correspondent into a White House briefing two weeks ago.
One is happenstance, twice coincidence, viewed charitably. Three times is enemy action and we should be very concerned that is what is happening.
If China deliberately infected sailors while they were out and about during their port call in Da Nang, it would not surprise me at all. Remember the Chinese state media tried to get a sick correspondent into a White House briefing two weeks ago.
One is happenstance, twice coincidence, viewed charitably. Three times is enemy action and we should be very concerned that is what is happening.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (NVYyb)
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What would Greg House do in this situation?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (rpbg1)
Have Jeeves bail him out? Oh wait...different character
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (rpbg1)
Have Jeeves bail him out? Oh wait...different character
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (/rUIs)
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My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3500, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Positive impact on the environment! Foolish executives!
Posted by: Tami at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (cF8AT)
I thought this was a parody.
I'm gobsmacked. This is Kash for Klunkers 2
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (CqE5x)
I don't think this story has been covered well. The Trump admin LOWERED the gas mileage requirements that had been placed into law by the Obama administration. The push about safety is a way of saying people will be safer if they're allowed to buy heavier cars than if they're required to buy high mileage cracker boxes. I don't know of any government grants to people to buy anything. So it's not "cash for clunkers".
Posted by: Tami at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (cF8AT)
I thought this was a parody.
I'm gobsmacked. This is Kash for Klunkers 2
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 03:57 PM (CqE5x)
I don't think this story has been covered well. The Trump admin LOWERED the gas mileage requirements that had been placed into law by the Obama administration. The push about safety is a way of saying people will be safer if they're allowed to buy heavier cars than if they're required to buy high mileage cracker boxes. I don't know of any government grants to people to buy anything. So it's not "cash for clunkers".
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (trdmm)
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Hold on there, pardner. All day today y'all been callin FBI agents 'Cowboys' , and comparing a cowboy bandana to a bank robbers hoodie.
First. There are no good FBI agents. NONE.
Second. Gov employees are like Democrats. There might be a few good ones, but they always go bad when it counts.
No cowboy ever stooped to a government job.
You Yankees wouldn't know a real cowboy if you woke up in bed with one. Not that it could happen. I dont hate my dick that much.
First. There are no good FBI agents. NONE.
Second. Gov employees are like Democrats. There might be a few good ones, but they always go bad when it counts.
No cowboy ever stooped to a government job.
You Yankees wouldn't know a real cowboy if you woke up in bed with one. Not that it could happen. I dont hate my dick that much.
Posted by: Cowboy and Cowgirl Association of Western Palm Beach County at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (y3cH7)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (gd9RK)
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>>I keep my hands in my pants playing pocket billards
I keep a Wocket in there.
They are great at pocket pool and disinfecting things.
I keep a Wocket in there.
They are great at pocket pool and disinfecting things.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (8LJ8V)
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Who should get masks?
Kardashians and other celebs
Politicians and their kids
Tenured academics
Award-winning journalists
Who should get masks?
Kardashians and other celebs
Politicians and their kids
Tenured academics
Award-winning journalists
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (7rVsF)
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Are all of you people talking about me?
Posted by: Rocky Dennis at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (xPYsj)
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>>Quick aside, Susan Rice is a vile POS
Aw geez, what did she say now?
I really hate the Obama admin attack dogs. STFU.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (bDqIh)
Everyone is a racisty racist. More or less.
>>Quick aside, Susan Rice is a vile POS
Aw geez, what did she say now?
I really hate the Obama admin attack dogs. STFU.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (bDqIh)
Everyone is a racisty racist. More or less.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (KnJdm)
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I'm all for everyone wearing masks if they'll open stuff up again
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (G546f)
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Quick aside, Susan Rice is a vile POS
Aw geez, what did she say now?
I really hate the Obama admin attack dogs. STFU.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (bDqIh)
PDT is afraid of strong black women and yada yada yada
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (85Gof)
Oh and he hates asians.
Unlike Jewish guys, who most know, all have the old yellow fever
Aw geez, what did she say now?
I really hate the Obama admin attack dogs. STFU.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (bDqIh)
PDT is afraid of strong black women and yada yada yada
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (85Gof)
Oh and he hates asians.
Unlike Jewish guys, who most know, all have the old yellow fever
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (85Gof)
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How, specifically, is this not like the flu?
how is this worse than the biochemical soup of doom that doctors and nurses work in every day?
how is this worse than the biochemical soup of doom that doctors and nurses work in every day?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (KZzsI)
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I don't talk to my family without a mask on. I don't
leave the house without a mask on. I wear an N-95 for all patient
contacts.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (dNzKv)
Not to be snarky, truly, but you have access to those resources whereas other people do not. I get it, daughter is a nurse. Doesn't mean it makes me happy.
leave the house without a mask on. I wear an N-95 for all patient
contacts.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (dNzKv)
Not to be snarky, truly, but you have access to those resources whereas other people do not. I get it, daughter is a nurse. Doesn't mean it makes me happy.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (lwiT4)
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Considering how wicked and hate-filled our Ruling Class is, they will probably treat us like the buffalo when the plains were filled with them.
Posted by: at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (C+evo)
Buffalo couldn't shoot back.
Posted by: at March 31, 2020 04:02 PM (C+evo)
Buffalo couldn't shoot back.
Posted by: trev006 at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (0HpOW)
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I'd like to see the same attitude this nation shows during the annual flu season. No shutdowns, no isolations, just common sense behavior.
Posted by: Sooner
Or, as soon as we pass 2000 deaths, shut this bitch down. Every fucking year. Or admit this is bullshit.
We are at 24,000 deaths for the annual flu and counting.
Posted by: Sooner
Or, as soon as we pass 2000 deaths, shut this bitch down. Every fucking year. Or admit this is bullshit.
We are at 24,000 deaths for the annual flu and counting.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (W2taJ)
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Further research suggests that this wasn't a lie. These idiots legitimately believe that masks won't help ordinary people, based on some shoddy studies.
https://tinyurl.com/r4cscpz
"And during the 2015 MERS epidemic, NPR said South Koreans were wrong to wear masks:
Masks can be helpful for protecting health workers from a variety of infectious diseases, including MERS...
But either type of mask is less likely to do much good for the average person on the street... Wearing a mask might make people feel better. After all, MERS has killed about a third of the people known to be infected.
But there are no good studies looking at how well these masks prevent MERS transmission out in the community, says Geeta Sood, an infectious disease specialist at Johns Hopkins University. "On the street or the subway, for MERS specifically, they're probably not effective," she says. One problem is that the masks are loose fitting, and a lot of tiny airborne particles can get in around the sides of the masks."
The incompetence -- 'evidence based' even! -- runs deep.
https://tinyurl.com/r4cscpz
"And during the 2015 MERS epidemic, NPR said South Koreans were wrong to wear masks:
Masks can be helpful for protecting health workers from a variety of infectious diseases, including MERS...
But either type of mask is less likely to do much good for the average person on the street... Wearing a mask might make people feel better. After all, MERS has killed about a third of the people known to be infected.
But there are no good studies looking at how well these masks prevent MERS transmission out in the community, says Geeta Sood, an infectious disease specialist at Johns Hopkins University. "On the street or the subway, for MERS specifically, they're probably not effective," she says. One problem is that the masks are loose fitting, and a lot of tiny airborne particles can get in around the sides of the masks."
The incompetence -- 'evidence based' even! -- runs deep.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (IB++I)
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88 I really want a plague mask.
it would be awesome
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (d7Ww2)
I told ya, should've ordered one from Amazon!
it would be awesome
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (d7Ww2)
I told ya, should've ordered one from Amazon!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (NWiLs)
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>>PDT is afraid of strong black women and yada yada yada
Oh. I don't even want to know what brought that on (but thanks for the details).
Oh. I don't even want to know what brought that on (but thanks for the details).
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (bDqIh)
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8 here in Ohio they just had the press conference about if you have a homemade mask wear it, assume you have the KungFlu and a mask helps stop the spread
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (dKiJG)
"Assume you have the KungFlu"?
That's a leap.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (dKiJG)
"Assume you have the KungFlu"?
That's a leap.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (ghFVE)
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This is a variation of the flu. More people have currently died of the flu than this disease. And yet we now have 32% unemployment because of this, which makes this more of a disaster than the Great Depression.
I really believe that the powers that be decided to crush the economies of the world so that they could usher in a worldwide police/surveillance state. Why else would we be reacting to a disease this way?
/yes, I know I am crazy.
I really believe that the powers that be decided to crush the economies of the world so that they could usher in a worldwide police/surveillance state. Why else would we be reacting to a disease this way?
/yes, I know I am crazy.
Posted by: shibumi in a tinfoil hat at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (ZCiJZ)
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The wrist thing is silly.
Dr. Marc Seigel was pushing the wrist removal thing this morning.
Anyhow, I'll stick with hand sanitizer and wipes.
The wrist thing is silly.
Dr. Marc Seigel was pushing the wrist removal thing this morning.
Anyhow, I'll stick with hand sanitizer and wipes.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (ptqGC)
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191 flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (PbpT7)
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Based on data with huge biases.
Testing is centered on people with symptoms arriving at hospitals, and then hospitals deciding to test them.
The data sets are no where near random and should not really be used to draw conclusions on the virus's rates at this point.
We need randomized samples to figure that out, and no one seems interested in doing that.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (PbpT7)
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Based on data with huge biases.
Testing is centered on people with symptoms arriving at hospitals, and then hospitals deciding to test them.
The data sets are no where near random and should not really be used to draw conclusions on the virus's rates at this point.
We need randomized samples to figure that out, and no one seems interested in doing that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (zZbCU)
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Just pointing out that masks are not necessarily the answer to our woes
and can very well impart a false sense of security that would undermine
the whole point of this (over re-) action.
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Well, I think the idea is that you need to give people a false sense of security to offset the false sense of threat that the media has given them in order to get them to leave their homes and go to work.
This of course ignores the fact that the only reason we're not leaving our homes and going to work is that the tyrants have shut everything down. So maybe this is to give *them* a false sense of security/political cover
and can very well impart a false sense of security that would undermine
the whole point of this (over re-) action.
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Well, I think the idea is that you need to give people a false sense of security to offset the false sense of threat that the media has given them in order to get them to leave their homes and go to work.
This of course ignores the fact that the only reason we're not leaving our homes and going to work is that the tyrants have shut everything down. So maybe this is to give *them* a false sense of security/political cover
Posted by: Methos at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (kOpft)
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Can I jury-rig the mask to fit better?
YES you can mess with the mask to make it seal better. You can use gel designed to make snorkeling gear seal, or you can try Vaseline around the edges. I would not suggest double stick tape unless you want to peel your face off at the end of the day. And Vaseline might be kind of greasy. But there are a number of products out there that could enhance the seal of your "respirator."
So, let's say that the mask is sealed. Will this protect me fully?
NO. No, it will not. Because your eyeballs are out there just waiting to be sprayed with respiratory aerosol. Viruses in the eyeballs can travel down into the nose through those pesky tear duct things. That is why a NON VENTED goggle can be used to protect your eyes. Again, you can use one of those little snorkeling mask sealants to get a nice seal without putting too much suction on your face. But your eyeballs do not constantly SUCK IN AIR like your nose and mouth, so realistically, you are less likely to get into a problem from the eyes, but it is certainly a concern.
So I can buy a mask and goggles and I am good to go, right?
Well, not exactly. Those pricey masks are supposed to be single use, rated for about 8 hours. If you think about it, the OUTSIDE OF THE MASK AND GOGGLES will be CONTAMINATED after use. And the corona virus can live on solid surfaces for like 9 days or something ridiculous like that. When you take them off, the EXTERIOR SURFACE will have VIRUS that you might TOUCH while removing your personal protective equipment (PPE). So use care and then wash up after touching them. DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE!
https://bit.ly/2xCrczu
YES you can mess with the mask to make it seal better. You can use gel designed to make snorkeling gear seal, or you can try Vaseline around the edges. I would not suggest double stick tape unless you want to peel your face off at the end of the day. And Vaseline might be kind of greasy. But there are a number of products out there that could enhance the seal of your "respirator."
So, let's say that the mask is sealed. Will this protect me fully?
NO. No, it will not. Because your eyeballs are out there just waiting to be sprayed with respiratory aerosol. Viruses in the eyeballs can travel down into the nose through those pesky tear duct things. That is why a NON VENTED goggle can be used to protect your eyes. Again, you can use one of those little snorkeling mask sealants to get a nice seal without putting too much suction on your face. But your eyeballs do not constantly SUCK IN AIR like your nose and mouth, so realistically, you are less likely to get into a problem from the eyes, but it is certainly a concern.
So I can buy a mask and goggles and I am good to go, right?
Well, not exactly. Those pricey masks are supposed to be single use, rated for about 8 hours. If you think about it, the OUTSIDE OF THE MASK AND GOGGLES will be CONTAMINATED after use. And the corona virus can live on solid surfaces for like 9 days or something ridiculous like that. When you take them off, the EXTERIOR SURFACE will have VIRUS that you might TOUCH while removing your personal protective equipment (PPE). So use care and then wash up after touching them. DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE!
https://bit.ly/2xCrczu
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (Do5/p)
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supposedly three times as contagious -- because it's "sticky," I think, and hangs around alive on surfaces for long times -- and it's ten to twelve times as deadly.
flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (PbpT7)
Thank you.
flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (PbpT7)
Thank you.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (mf5HN)
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Oh for goodness sake!
People who are not healthcare workers wearing masks are actually touching their faces more and take more risks getting closer to others. I have also seen people wearing their masks incorrectly with the lower ties open and flapping. They are also reusing regular surgical masks....what is that doing to protect them?
People who are not healthcare workers wearing masks are actually touching their faces more and take more risks getting closer to others. I have also seen people wearing their masks incorrectly with the lower ties open and flapping. They are also reusing regular surgical masks....what is that doing to protect them?
Posted by: Floridachick at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (HkkrU)
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The lung and chest congestion is apparently much worse than the flu. Guy I know that had it said it was like breathing through pudding.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (8/E19)
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186 I don't talk to my family without a mask on. I don't leave the house without a mask on. I wear an N-95 for all patient contacts.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (dNzKv),
How many do you go through every day? How is their efficacy after awhile?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (dNzKv),
How many do you go through every day? How is their efficacy after awhile?
Posted by: Gem at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (65i3Q)
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44 I'm guessing wearing a mask cuts down on the moisture particles flying from your mouth or nose, knocking down the chance of spread.
Will it prevent everything? No. But, they're saying that was a BIG reason Korea got ahead of this thing.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (Zz0t1)
The typical blue paper masks with white earloops work to prevent breathing in some viruses and bacteria and prevents one from breathing them out UNTIL the mask becomes damp. Which is does within a short time, depending on how quickly one is breathing or if you are talking a lot.
Once they are damp, it opens up the "pores" of the paper, allowing contaminates through.
Next on the list is the formed paper type of masks that have a metal band across the nose that allows you to adjust it and has an elastic band to go around your head and over your ears. The kind you often see sold at hardware stores to do house demos, etc.
Work better, IMO, and last longer. But have the same limitations about getting wet. And they do, especially if you are working and sweating.
N 95 masks have a better fit mechanism and filter smaller aerosols. They require putting on a bit differently than surgical masks to get a tight seal.
Have two straps to hold them to your face and have the ability to push a seal around your mouth and nose that cheap paper masks don't have.
N 95's are actually the best type of mask to avoid breathing in any kind of aerosolized virus or bacteria.
None of the above masks work for oil based types of aerosols such as paint, etc. which require a full on respirator.
Will it prevent everything? No. But, they're saying that was a BIG reason Korea got ahead of this thing.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (Zz0t1)
The typical blue paper masks with white earloops work to prevent breathing in some viruses and bacteria and prevents one from breathing them out UNTIL the mask becomes damp. Which is does within a short time, depending on how quickly one is breathing or if you are talking a lot.
Once they are damp, it opens up the "pores" of the paper, allowing contaminates through.
Next on the list is the formed paper type of masks that have a metal band across the nose that allows you to adjust it and has an elastic band to go around your head and over your ears. The kind you often see sold at hardware stores to do house demos, etc.
Work better, IMO, and last longer. But have the same limitations about getting wet. And they do, especially if you are working and sweating.
N 95 masks have a better fit mechanism and filter smaller aerosols. They require putting on a bit differently than surgical masks to get a tight seal.
Have two straps to hold them to your face and have the ability to push a seal around your mouth and nose that cheap paper masks don't have.
N 95's are actually the best type of mask to avoid breathing in any kind of aerosolized virus or bacteria.
None of the above masks work for oil based types of aerosols such as paint, etc. which require a full on respirator.
Posted by: Jen the original at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (hhYtz)
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Can I ask how you propose that businesses and individuals will live -- other than becoming armed scavengers -- with near-zero economic activity?
Universal Basic Income
Then we fight over zoo animals.
Universal Basic Income
Then we fight over zoo animals.
Posted by: 🐧 at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (C+evo)
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What I want to know is how many shits in Congress are hoarding hydroxy cloroquine. I want to know if Biden is dosing the drug.
What I want to know is how many shits in Congress are hoarding hydroxy cloroquine. I want to know if Biden is dosing the drug.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (++3nO)
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"I recall talking to an American who worked for the Aftosa Commission in Mexico. Six hundred a month plus expense account: ``How long will the epidemic last?'' I enquired. ``As long as we can keep it going. . . . And yes . . . maybe the aftosa will break out in South America,'' he said dreamily."
Posted by: getting the wm s burroughs banned back together at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (8h8q2)
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I don't talk to my family without a mask on. I don't leave the house without a mask on. I wear an N-95 for all patient contacts.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
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How many masks do you go through each day on the job? If one, how many days does that single mask last?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
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How many masks do you go through each day on the job? If one, how many days does that single mask last?
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (PRN3w)
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187 What would Greg House do in this situation?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (rpbg1)
Say it's not Lupus, insult the patient and their family, then say it's not really Coronavirus but a variant of the common cold that can be fought off with Flintstones chewables and vodka. Someone will insist on a conventional treatment for bubonic plague and almost kill them. Patient gets chewables and vodka, recovers fully, but with a slight Russian accent.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (rpbg1)
Say it's not Lupus, insult the patient and their family, then say it's not really Coronavirus but a variant of the common cold that can be fought off with Flintstones chewables and vodka. Someone will insist on a conventional treatment for bubonic plague and almost kill them. Patient gets chewables and vodka, recovers fully, but with a slight Russian accent.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (J+mig)
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Based on data with huge biases.
Testing is centered on people with symptoms arriving at hospitals, and then hospitals deciding to test them.
The data sets are no where near random and should not really be used to draw conclusions on the virus's rates at this point.
We need randomized samples to figure that out, and no one seems interested in doing that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (zZbCU)
Current data shows death rates to be 18-19%. This is overstated for the reasons you've noted. The real rate is probably in the range of 1-3%.
Testing is centered on people with symptoms arriving at hospitals, and then hospitals deciding to test them.
The data sets are no where near random and should not really be used to draw conclusions on the virus's rates at this point.
We need randomized samples to figure that out, and no one seems interested in doing that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (zZbCU)
Current data shows death rates to be 18-19%. This is overstated for the reasons you've noted. The real rate is probably in the range of 1-3%.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (IB++I)
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I think you can only lock people up for so long. But
at this point to not take every mitigation you can is foolish for you
and your family.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (8/E19)
Yeah. I'll worry about Phase IV, The Indebtening, when the time comes.
at this point to not take every mitigation you can is foolish for you
and your family.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (8/E19)
Yeah. I'll worry about Phase IV, The Indebtening, when the time comes.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (KnJdm)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (NWiLs)
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What would Greg House do in this situation?
I don't know, but I can't wait for the episode of The Good Doctor where the autistic lead character magically solves the entire worldwide CV crisis in *one* episode.
I can't watch network TV drama anymore because it's all so SJW/PC, chock full of Mary Sues, formulaic and wretched.
I don't know, but I can't wait for the episode of The Good Doctor where the autistic lead character magically solves the entire worldwide CV crisis in *one* episode.
I can't watch network TV drama anymore because it's all so SJW/PC, chock full of Mary Sues, formulaic and wretched.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (8LJ8V)
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Can I ask how you propose that businesses and
individuals will live -- other than becoming armed scavengers -- with
near-zero economic activity?
Posted by: ace
It's simple. Just raise taxes.
individuals will live -- other than becoming armed scavengers -- with
near-zero economic activity?
Posted by: ace
It's simple. Just raise taxes.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (+y/Ru)
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Here is a physician dealing with Wuhan Flu in NYC. The interview is about an hour, but at the 7:00 mark, he explains how the virus is transmitted, how we can protect ourselves and why wearing a mask will actually help. ( hint: keep your hands clean and do NOT touch your face) He is calm, informative and a straight-talker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YitWZj9QhdQ&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YitWZj9QhdQ&feature=youtu.be
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (8/7u2)
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Theories are nice and all, but asbestos proved that surgical (and in particular, paper) masks are useless when attempting to prevent particulate matter from getting into the lungs.
I learned this when I became a certified asbestos remover a few years back.
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (0jZvB)
Ace was joking. Germ theory is about as solid of medical science as you can find.
As for asbestos -- yes, asbestos particles are very small and can make it through normal surgical masks, which is why you wear particulate filtering respirators when working with it.
Viruses are also tiny too.
Droplets of saliva from sneezing, coughing, and breathing are, my comparison, huge, and can be stopped by normal cloth barriers.
The virus is mostly transmitted through those saliva particles, which are now trapped in your mask since you couldnt sneeze them out in to someone else's eyeballs, or the air they are breathing.
I learned this when I became a certified asbestos remover a few years back.
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at March 31, 2020 04:00 PM (0jZvB)
Ace was joking. Germ theory is about as solid of medical science as you can find.
As for asbestos -- yes, asbestos particles are very small and can make it through normal surgical masks, which is why you wear particulate filtering respirators when working with it.
Viruses are also tiny too.
Droplets of saliva from sneezing, coughing, and breathing are, my comparison, huge, and can be stopped by normal cloth barriers.
The virus is mostly transmitted through those saliva particles, which are now trapped in your mask since you couldnt sneeze them out in to someone else's eyeballs, or the air they are breathing.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (ZkXld)
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Former President Barack Obama suggested on Twitter on Tuesday that President Donald Trump denied
warnings of the coronavirus pandemic.
Weve seen all too terribly the consequences of those who denied warnings of a pandemic, Obama wrote.
Fuck you, Drop dead
warnings of the coronavirus pandemic.
Weve seen all too terribly the consequences of those who denied warnings of a pandemic, Obama wrote.
Fuck you, Drop dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (85Gof)
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191 >>>160 I want to know what it is that is so awful about that compared to the flu.
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supposedly three times as contagious -- because it's "sticky," I think, and hangs around alive on surfaces for long times -- and it's ten to twelve times as deadly.
flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM
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Also it is brand new and different. No one is immune, because no one has been exposed to this virus before.
It hits a new population and it just goes nuts infecting everyone that is exposed to enough virus.
That is what the Spanish Flu did in 1918, and 1918, and 1920, and 1921. That was before Jet Airliners, and Freeways.
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supposedly three times as contagious -- because it's "sticky," I think, and hangs around alive on surfaces for long times -- and it's ten to twelve times as deadly.
flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM
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Also it is brand new and different. No one is immune, because no one has been exposed to this virus before.
It hits a new population and it just goes nuts infecting everyone that is exposed to enough virus.
That is what the Spanish Flu did in 1918, and 1918, and 1920, and 1921. That was before Jet Airliners, and Freeways.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (+0uDE)
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I don't think this story has been covered well. The Trump admin LOWERED the gas mileage requirements that had been placed into law by the Obama administration. The push about safety is a way of saying people will be safer if they're allowed to buy heavier cars than if they're required to buy high mileage cracker boxes. I don't know of any government grants to people to buy anything. So it's not "cash for clunkers".
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (trdmm)
Okay, I jumped the gun.
But what does Trump mean by "get rid of your old Klunker?" Is everyone driving '79 Dodge Diplomats?
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (trdmm)
Okay, I jumped the gun.
But what does Trump mean by "get rid of your old Klunker?" Is everyone driving '79 Dodge Diplomats?
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (CqE5x)
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Not to be snarky, truly, but you have access to those resources whereas other people do not. I get it, daughter is a nurse. Doesn't mean it makes me happy.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (lwiT4)
Made our own masks for around the house. Wash daily.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 31, 2020 04:05 PM (lwiT4)
Made our own masks for around the house. Wash daily.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (dNzKv)
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How many masks do you go through each day on the job? If one, how many days does that single mask last?
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (PRN3w)
Depends on the mask. When it's used up you can UV-purify it and there are various ways to clean it for re-use instead of just throwing it away. The mask WILL eventually wear down, like a rechargeable battery.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (PRN3w)
Depends on the mask. When it's used up you can UV-purify it and there are various ways to clean it for re-use instead of just throwing it away. The mask WILL eventually wear down, like a rechargeable battery.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (IB++I)
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187 What would Greg House do in this situation?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (rpbg1)
Say it's not Lupus, insult the patient and their family, then say it's not really Coronavirus but a variant of the common cold that can be fought off with Flintstones chewables and vodka. Someone will insist on a conventional treatment for bubonic plague and almost kill them. Patient gets chewables and vodka, recovers fully, but with a slight Russian accent.
Posted by: Cato
Uncanny.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (rpbg1)
Say it's not Lupus, insult the patient and their family, then say it's not really Coronavirus but a variant of the common cold that can be fought off with Flintstones chewables and vodka. Someone will insist on a conventional treatment for bubonic plague and almost kill them. Patient gets chewables and vodka, recovers fully, but with a slight Russian accent.
Posted by: Cato
Uncanny.
Posted by: eleven at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (Qf83p)
Posted by: guy who tries but misremembers history at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (8KSPd)
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241 Current data shows death rates to be 18-19%. This is overstated for the reasons you've noted. The real rate is probably in the range of 1-3%.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (IB++I)
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US death rate is currently running at about 1.7%.
I have no idea where you pulled 18-19%. Italy isn't even that high, and it's a ridiculous outlier at ~10%.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (IB++I)
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US death rate is currently running at about 1.7%.
I have no idea where you pulled 18-19%. Italy isn't even that high, and it's a ridiculous outlier at ~10%.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (zZbCU)
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late last week, I wore a neck gaiter pulled up to just below my eyes/sunglasses, and wearing a ballcap to pick up a prescription.
Pharmacist had one hand below the counter during the transaction.
Pharmacist had one hand below the counter during the transaction.
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (iQmdl)
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so far 6 Patients on the Comfort
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (85Gof)
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"Posted by: Floridachick at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (HkkrU)"
Please stop. You sound too much like you know what you're talking about.
We need more of the jazz fingers hysteric.
Please stop. You sound too much like you know what you're talking about.
We need more of the jazz fingers hysteric.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (8/E19)
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Fake News is in fake outrage over the words "you people."
It's so stupid and so fake I'm not even going to continue.
Fake News is in fake outrage over the words "you people."
It's so stupid and so fake I'm not even going to continue.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (++3nO)
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I want to know what it is that is so awful about that compared to the flu.
That's not argumentative, that's a question.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (mf5HN)
Same here. It would be nice if they would tell the truth. If they think it's an escaped bioweapon, then say it, because they are sure acting like it is. I suspect that people would take stay at home directives a lot more seriously if that were the case. Otherwise, back off and let the low risk groups get back to life because this isn't living, it's existing.
That's not argumentative, that's a question.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 31, 2020 04:01 PM (mf5HN)
Same here. It would be nice if they would tell the truth. If they think it's an escaped bioweapon, then say it, because they are sure acting like it is. I suspect that people would take stay at home directives a lot more seriously if that were the case. Otherwise, back off and let the low risk groups get back to life because this isn't living, it's existing.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (pjkQR)
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Now is actually a pretty good time to announce lowered CAFE standards, since it will be probably lost in the background noise
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (KZzsI)
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I would amend the headline to read "The Democrats Need to Stop Lying..."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (E+OcO)
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Mask, snorkel, flippers.
Posted by: klaftern at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (RuIsu)
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245 Thanks JamesMadison.
This 1-1.2% thing is retarded high.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (8LJ8V)
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My dad, the Shewhart Medalist and worldwide expert in experimental design, laughs at the conclusions drawn from the data sets available. Literally. He laughed about them when we talked about them a few days ago.
This 1-1.2% thing is retarded high.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (8LJ8V)
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My dad, the Shewhart Medalist and worldwide expert in experimental design, laughs at the conclusions drawn from the data sets available. Literally. He laughed about them when we talked about them a few days ago.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (zZbCU)
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30 We all wear masks, metaphorically speaking.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (NWiLs)
hahahahaha
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 03:48 PM (NWiLs)
hahahahaha
Posted by: m at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (ghFVE)
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Fuck you, Drop dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (85Gof)
As much as I dislike the Chinese right now, the Kenyan dog eating nagger should be hanged, drawn, and flayed.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (85Gof)
As much as I dislike the Chinese right now, the Kenyan dog eating nagger should be hanged, drawn, and flayed.
Posted by: trev006 at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (0HpOW)
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flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (PbpT7)
I still think that as testing becomes widespread, that 1% number is going to drop significantly. Assuming 1% is where people have come up with the 2 million to 3 million deaths here in America, and I do not think we're going to see that. 0.1% is where you get 200,000 to 300,000 deaths, spread out over the time it takes for 100% of the population to be exposed.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (PbpT7)
I still think that as testing becomes widespread, that 1% number is going to drop significantly. Assuming 1% is where people have come up with the 2 million to 3 million deaths here in America, and I do not think we're going to see that. 0.1% is where you get 200,000 to 300,000 deaths, spread out over the time it takes for 100% of the population to be exposed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (ptqGC)
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WHAT IS THE THREAT? Do I really need a mask?
If you can stay about 6 feet away from other people, and constantly avoid touching your eyes and nose, then no, you do not need a mask. If you live out in the suburbs, feel free to walk your dog and stay away from your neighbors without a mask. No risk.
The bigger risk in this case is SURFACES. Getting those viruses onto your hands, and then touching your face is an absolute no-no. On average, people will touch their faces 4 times per hour without even realizing it. That is nearly 100 face rubs PER DAY! JUST STOP IT! Well, you can't just stop it, because you don't typically think about it. This is where ordinary glasses and a light surgical mask would be helpful. It will keep you from rubbing your eyes and nose after touching that doorknob or grocery cart.
So if you are not going out, not going into a crowd, living in the suburbs where you can stay 6 feet away from others, you do not need a mask or goggles. If you worry about visiting grandma who lives alone out in the country, YOU ARE THE ONE who should wear a mask to visit her. In this case, a surgical mask is fine, just on the off chance that you are incubating a virus and don't know it yet.
If you work with other people, going to crowded places, live in a crowded city, etcetera, I think that the mask and goggle idea is a reasonable precaution, and so is putting alcohol on literally everything.
If you work in a school, at a doctor's office, in a hospital, in a store with lots of customers, etcetera, then this is when you should think about whether or not you will need it.
https://bit.ly/2xCrczu
If you can stay about 6 feet away from other people, and constantly avoid touching your eyes and nose, then no, you do not need a mask. If you live out in the suburbs, feel free to walk your dog and stay away from your neighbors without a mask. No risk.
The bigger risk in this case is SURFACES. Getting those viruses onto your hands, and then touching your face is an absolute no-no. On average, people will touch their faces 4 times per hour without even realizing it. That is nearly 100 face rubs PER DAY! JUST STOP IT! Well, you can't just stop it, because you don't typically think about it. This is where ordinary glasses and a light surgical mask would be helpful. It will keep you from rubbing your eyes and nose after touching that doorknob or grocery cart.
So if you are not going out, not going into a crowd, living in the suburbs where you can stay 6 feet away from others, you do not need a mask or goggles. If you worry about visiting grandma who lives alone out in the country, YOU ARE THE ONE who should wear a mask to visit her. In this case, a surgical mask is fine, just on the off chance that you are incubating a virus and don't know it yet.
If you work with other people, going to crowded places, live in a crowded city, etcetera, I think that the mask and goggle idea is a reasonable precaution, and so is putting alcohol on literally everything.
If you work in a school, at a doctor's office, in a hospital, in a store with lots of customers, etcetera, then this is when you should think about whether or not you will need it.
https://bit.ly/2xCrczu
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (Do5/p)
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Not touching your face is hard for those of us with acne. For real.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (zqs/f)
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We should just scrap CAFE altogether.
The amount of stupid shit on cars to just eek out another tenth of an mpg to meet some bureaucrats standard he pulled out of his ass in insane.
Start/Stop features on new cars are the ones I hate the most. Car stalls out at every light. Wearing out just about everything to save a nickel on your trip.
You really are talking about like another $3-$5k in equipment all to save like $3 a week in gas. And the stuff breaks all the time. Ford put in some crazy transmission to hit these standards and they basically all break.
The amount of stupid shit on cars to just eek out another tenth of an mpg to meet some bureaucrats standard he pulled out of his ass in insane.
Start/Stop features on new cars are the ones I hate the most. Car stalls out at every light. Wearing out just about everything to save a nickel on your trip.
You really are talking about like another $3-$5k in equipment all to save like $3 a week in gas. And the stuff breaks all the time. Ford put in some crazy transmission to hit these standards and they basically all break.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (sjTfF)
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Copper wool + Sock= Mask
Posted by: portlandon at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (+oR7L)
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>>Current data shows death rates to be 18-19%. This is overstated for the reasons you've noted. The real rate is probably in the range of 1-3%.
Are you eating your Healthy 40% portions of Grains, too?
Are you eating your Healthy 40% portions of Grains, too?
Posted by: Government Figures You Trust at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (8LJ8V)
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I'll tell you guys the same thing I told Corn Pop. If your sick, don't come to the Pool, even if your wearing a mask.
And NO, I did not stick my fingers in that young girl's Yammy. Not Once!
My word as a Biden.
And NO, I did not stick my fingers in that young girl's Yammy. Not Once!
My word as a Biden.
Posted by: JOE BIDEN at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (lMn1U)
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Former President Barack Obama suggested on Twitter on Tuesday that President Donald Trump denied
warnings of the coronavirus pandemic.
Weve seen all too terribly the consequences of those who denied warnings of a pandemic, Obama wrote.
Fuck you, Drop dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (85Gof)
Obama may be sorry he went there.....
warnings of the coronavirus pandemic.
Weve seen all too terribly the consequences of those who denied warnings of a pandemic, Obama wrote.
Fuck you, Drop dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (85Gof)
Obama may be sorry he went there.....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (CqE5x)
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Truth at last cannot be hidden. Dissimulation is of no avail. Dissimulation is to no purpose before so great a judge. Falsehood puts on a mask. Nothing is hidden under the sun.
Posted by: Leonardo DaVinci at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (uEbPt)
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Universal Basic Income
Then we fight over zoo animals.
Posted by: (C+evo)
Universal Basic Income.
I love that phrase.
Turning your country into Zimbabwe is easy.
Comedy, now that is hard.
Then we fight over zoo animals.
Posted by: (C+evo)
Universal Basic Income.
I love that phrase.
Turning your country into Zimbabwe is easy.
Comedy, now that is hard.
Posted by: The Gods of the Copybook Headings at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (J+mig)
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RELEVANT
Forbes report on how hundreds of millions(!!) of N95 masks are leaving the country. These are bought and sold by brokers and the states and FEMA can not compete with foreign buyers who can show proof of funds quicker. Prices are inflated and buyers don't have time for FEMA promises that they will pay once the paperwork goes through.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/vbgm5ub
Forbes report on how hundreds of millions(!!) of N95 masks are leaving the country. These are bought and sold by brokers and the states and FEMA can not compete with foreign buyers who can show proof of funds quicker. Prices are inflated and buyers don't have time for FEMA promises that they will pay once the paperwork goes through.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/vbgm5ub
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (LWu6U)
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Federal judges in three states have blocked orders suspending elective abortions in order to preserve medical essentials such as personal protective equipment (PPE) for healthcare professionals who are treating victims of the infection caused by the coronavirus.
And pray tell why are abortions in their own special catagory?
And pray tell why are abortions in their own special catagory?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (85Gof)
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/yes, I know I am crazy.
Posted by: shibumi in a tinfoil hat at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (ZCiJZ)
Then I am too.
Posted by: shibumi in a tinfoil hat at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (ZCiJZ)
Then I am too.
Posted by: Gem at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (65i3Q)
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You can construct a makeshift mask out of toilet paper.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (NWiLs)
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Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (d7Ww2)
89 42 I heard today that the CDC is thinking of recommending everyone wear a mask when they go out.
Hur, hur, hur. Simon Says.
89 42 I heard today that the CDC is thinking of recommending everyone wear a mask when they go out.
Hur, hur, hur. Simon Says.
Posted by: Simon von Sinister at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (Vy7tf)
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I will post it again. Interview with the head of infectious diseases in South Korea. He explains that masks do work and why.
https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU
https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (Lqy/e)
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I wear the mask. It does not wear me.
Posted by: The Man in the Iron Mask at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (uEbPt)
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Also it is brand new and different. No one is immune, because no one has been exposed to this virus before.
Except that experts are saying about half the population appears to be immune to it.
A lot of old, now-discounted info is being still passed around.
Except that experts are saying about half the population appears to be immune to it.
A lot of old, now-discounted info is being still passed around.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (KZzsI)
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282 You can construct a makeshift mask out of toilet paper.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (NWiLs)
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Used is best. Filters out more of the particulates in the air.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (NWiLs)
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Used is best. Filters out more of the particulates in the air.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (zZbCU)
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Louisiana 1200 new cases just today. 30% increase. Most states are holding it to 10-12%. Distancing his helping.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (dNzKv)
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flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Based on what sample and population?
NYC is engaged in reporting fraud. Kings county reports ZERO cases. Those get moved to NY County and those cases are then the numerator to NY County's population denominator - leaving out the most populated county in NYC.
When you do that sort of thing of course you will have inflated numbers - better to shock and terrify the masses.
Based on what sample and population?
NYC is engaged in reporting fraud. Kings county reports ZERO cases. Those get moved to NY County and those cases are then the numerator to NY County's population denominator - leaving out the most populated county in NYC.
When you do that sort of thing of course you will have inflated numbers - better to shock and terrify the masses.
Posted by: 🐧 at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (C+evo)
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MacGyver would had this solved in 20 minutes using nothing more than a pocket knife.
Posted by: Puddin Head at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (NLDk+)
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I had to run over to Newport today to do some errands. The place is a ghost town, virtually everything is closed.
But the baseball diamond had a bunch of kids playing ball cause kids are immune.
But the baseball diamond had a bunch of kids playing ball cause kids are immune.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (ZLI7S)
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As much as I dislike the Chinese right now, the Kenyan dog eating nagger should be hanged, drawn, and flayed.
Posted by: trev006 at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (0HpOW)
So far there's one case of Bat Flu on Martha's Vineyard. Karma could turn out to be a bitch for the dog-eater.
Thoughts and prayers, Barack. Inshallah.
Posted by: trev006 at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (0HpOW)
So far there's one case of Bat Flu on Martha's Vineyard. Karma could turn out to be a bitch for the dog-eater.
Thoughts and prayers, Barack. Inshallah.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (ptqGC)
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Corona, corona, corona. Day in, day out 24/7 non-stop. I am so fucking sick of this shit.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (F6tBH)
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256 241 Current data shows death rates to be 18-19%. This is overstated for the reasons you've noted. The real rate is probably in the range of 1-3%.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (IB++I)
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US death rate is currently running at about 1.7%.
I have no idea where you pulled 18-19%. Italy isn't even that high, and it's a ridiculous outlier at ~10%.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (zZbCU)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Most comprehensive and based on raw statistics. Guessing the rate is really 1.5% from there and then also adding on the overstatement due to only testing people with significant symptoms seems premature. Note also that China is lying about deaths here, and Italy was not counting non-hospital deaths (reflected in these statistics, I believe.)
In the long term, they should resolve to around the 1%-3% range due to the reason you stated plus the fact that full recoveries generally take longer than deaths.
Thankfully, MD has started to taper off in new cases, which means we can go back to normal sooner.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (IB++I)
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US death rate is currently running at about 1.7%.
I have no idea where you pulled 18-19%. Italy isn't even that high, and it's a ridiculous outlier at ~10%.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (zZbCU)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Most comprehensive and based on raw statistics. Guessing the rate is really 1.5% from there and then also adding on the overstatement due to only testing people with significant symptoms seems premature. Note also that China is lying about deaths here, and Italy was not counting non-hospital deaths (reflected in these statistics, I believe.)
In the long term, they should resolve to around the 1%-3% range due to the reason you stated plus the fact that full recoveries generally take longer than deaths.
Thankfully, MD has started to taper off in new cases, which means we can go back to normal sooner.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (IB++I)
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i saw a guy yesterday wearing his bandana like a train robber......i'm gonna start doing that........
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (0O7c5)
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But what does Trump mean by "get rid of your old Klunker?" Is everyone driving '79 Dodge Diplomats?
Posted by: JoeF.
__________
He's basically implying cars made during Obama's EPA reign were junk, but his standards makes sure they're not.
Trump needs states that make cars to do well.
Just Trump being Trump
Posted by: JoeF.
__________
He's basically implying cars made during Obama's EPA reign were junk, but his standards makes sure they're not.
Trump needs states that make cars to do well.
Just Trump being Trump
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (sjTfF)
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If everybody starts wearing a mask, we will look back at this in years to come as the golden age of armed robbery.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (C1Lsn)
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It seems to me, that a mask that would filter out virus spores wouldn't pass enough fucking air to keep you alive. Virus spores are incredibly miniscule, so the pores in the mask would have to be smaller still. So the surface area needed to let enough air in to breath would far exceed the practical size of the masks people wear.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (o2MD2)
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Before going out, I tape a plastic bag over my head.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (oVJmc)
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The death. rate is not 3% - stop with that bs submarine. It will shake out .8 to 1.2 at worst.
Posted by: rammajamma at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (SwWMX)
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But what does Trump mean by "get rid of your old Klunker?" Is everyone driving '79 Dodge Diplomats?
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (CqE5x)
Average age of the American passenger fleet is now higher than ever before, because a) cars are lasting longer than they used to, and b) new cars have become fabulously expensive for many working class people. As far as what Trump said, I just took it as him being a cheerleader for the economy.
But what does Trump mean by "get rid of your old Klunker?" Is everyone driving '79 Dodge Diplomats?
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (CqE5x)
Average age of the American passenger fleet is now higher than ever before, because a) cars are lasting longer than they used to, and b) new cars have become fabulously expensive for many working class people. As far as what Trump said, I just took it as him being a cheerleader for the economy.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (trdmm)
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I still think that as testing becomes widespread, that 1% number is going to drop significantly. Assuming 1% is where people have come up with the 2 million to 3 million deaths here in America, and I do not think we're going to see that. 0.1% is where you get 200,000 to 300,000 deaths, spread out over the time it takes for 100% of the population to be exposed.
and even that, Tom, assumes we the People and our doctors and scientists won't adjust to this over that amount of time, and come up with better treatment protocols.
that said, a lot of that 200K will be elderly people who were running out the clock already, and just happen to succumb to this particular URI (instead of some other one). unless what we're doing now pre-empts even that, which does seem to be happening according to some data sets!
and even that, Tom, assumes we the People and our doctors and scientists won't adjust to this over that amount of time, and come up with better treatment protocols.
that said, a lot of that 200K will be elderly people who were running out the clock already, and just happen to succumb to this particular URI (instead of some other one). unless what we're doing now pre-empts even that, which does seem to be happening according to some data sets!
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (j9HX3)
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>>>Same here. It would be nice if they would tell the truth. If they think it's an escaped bioweapon, then say it, because they are sure acting like it is
I'm trying to understand this: Those who think this is an actually BIOWEAPON are those most resistant to any kind of mitigation efforts?
That seems awfully backwards, doesn't it?
I'm trying to understand this: Those who think this is an actually BIOWEAPON are those most resistant to any kind of mitigation efforts?
That seems awfully backwards, doesn't it?
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (PbpT7)
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>>Thankfully, MD has started to taper off in new cases, which means we can go back to normal sooner.
Not according to your governor.
Not according to your governor.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (ZLI7S)
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49 if everyone wore masks in public and we disinfected surfaces religiously, no viruses would ever spread.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (ZkXld)
That's not who we are.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (ZkXld)
That's not who we are.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (ghFVE)
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Our death rate is 2%. Most European countries are 6-8%.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (dNzKv)
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262 Now is actually a pretty good time to announce lowered CAFE standards, since it will be probably lost in the background noise
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (KZzsI)
I agree
Trump should be seizing this time to quietly undo a bunch of malarkey leftist regulations
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:09 PM (KZzsI)
I agree
Trump should be seizing this time to quietly undo a bunch of malarkey leftist regulations
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (G546f)
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Only gas mask type apparatus with an uninterrupted seal can keep a virus from transmitting.
That's strictly true, but according to the data even just putting a T-shirt or bandana over your nose/mouth cuts transmission in half, and that rate gets even better with an N95 mask.
That's strictly true, but according to the data even just putting a T-shirt or bandana over your nose/mouth cuts transmission in half, and that rate gets even better with an N95 mask.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (ZGrMX)
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294 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Most comprehensive and based on raw statistics. Guessing the rate is really 1.5% from there and then also adding on the overstatement due to only testing people with significant symptoms seems premature. Note also that China is lying about deaths here, and Italy was not counting non-hospital deaths (reflected in these statistics, I believe.)
In the long term, they should resolve to around the 1%-3% range due to the reason you stated plus the fact that full recoveries generally take longer than deaths.
Thankfully, MD has started to taper off in new cases, which means we can go back to normal sooner.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (IB++I)
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
You pulled the death rate on closed cases and said that was the death rate overall.
You're smart.
Most comprehensive and based on raw statistics. Guessing the rate is really 1.5% from there and then also adding on the overstatement due to only testing people with significant symptoms seems premature. Note also that China is lying about deaths here, and Italy was not counting non-hospital deaths (reflected in these statistics, I believe.)
In the long term, they should resolve to around the 1%-3% range due to the reason you stated plus the fact that full recoveries generally take longer than deaths.
Thankfully, MD has started to taper off in new cases, which means we can go back to normal sooner.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (IB++I)
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
You pulled the death rate on closed cases and said that was the death rate overall.
You're smart.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (zZbCU)
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288 Louisiana 1200 new cases just today. 30% increase. Most states are holding it to 10-12%. Distancing his helping.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (dNzKv)
What's the rate of people getting over it?
What's the age range of victims?
Are most victims ones with bad lungs or chronic illness?
What is the comparison to flu and H1N1?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (dNzKv)
What's the rate of people getting over it?
What's the age range of victims?
Are most victims ones with bad lungs or chronic illness?
What is the comparison to flu and H1N1?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (pS94+)
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At the corona
Coronacabana
Lung AIDS and passion
Were always in fashion
At the corona
Coronacabaaaanaaaaaaa
Coronacabana
Lung AIDS and passion
Were always in fashion
At the corona
Coronacabaaaanaaaaaaa
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (NWiLs)
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>>>284 I will post it again. Interview with the head of infectious diseases in South Korea. He explains that masks do work and why.
https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU
thanks!
https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU
thanks!
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (PbpT7)
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296 Our death rate is 2%. Most European countries are 6-8%.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (dNzKv)
I think it's even less than that.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (dNzKv)
I think it's even less than that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (pS94+)
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We have 6 cases in our county. We have had 6 cases in our county for four days. Seems I should be able to go the donut shop.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (lwiT4)
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Repeating news I heard on Sunday.
The 51 y.o. son of dear friends of ours who live in TX, came down with a "respiratory ailment" in February. It got bad, and he was placed in a medically induced coma. He never came out of it and passed away on Saturday.
His 50 y.o. wife is still in the same hospital in ICU with pneumonia.
This is in Ft. Lauderdale.
The 51 y.o. son of dear friends of ours who live in TX, came down with a "respiratory ailment" in February. It got bad, and he was placed in a medically induced coma. He never came out of it and passed away on Saturday.
His 50 y.o. wife is still in the same hospital in ICU with pneumonia.
This is in Ft. Lauderdale.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (ptqGC)
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Well, not exactly. Those pricey masks are supposed to be single use, rated for about 8 hours. If you think about it, the OUTSIDE OF THE MASK AND GOGGLES will be CONTAMINATED after use. And the corona virus can live on solid surfaces for like 9 days or something ridiculous like that. When you take them off, the EXTERIOR SURFACE will have VIRUS that you might TOUCH while removing your personal protective equipment (PPE). So use care and then wash up after touching them. DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE!
https://bit.ly/2xCrczu
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (Do5/p)
Unless you have access to a contamination box and can send your N95's to Batelle's sterilization gizmo, you need to properly take off the mask every time you use it and properly dispose of it. Preferably wearing gloves that you peel off and dispose of without touching the outside surfaces.
Healthcare workers go through a lot of training and retraining regarding proper decontamination of items and disposal. The average person on the street is not going to realize what they need to do .
For example, Mr. Jen brought home peppers from the grocery store. He carefully washed them off then proceeded to pick up the same bag he had brought them home in to put them back in for the fridge. Until I stopped him and pointed out he was putting the clean peppers back in the contaminated bag he had pulled them out of.
He's not stupid, he just didn't think about it.
https://bit.ly/2xCrczu
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (Do5/p)
Unless you have access to a contamination box and can send your N95's to Batelle's sterilization gizmo, you need to properly take off the mask every time you use it and properly dispose of it. Preferably wearing gloves that you peel off and dispose of without touching the outside surfaces.
Healthcare workers go through a lot of training and retraining regarding proper decontamination of items and disposal. The average person on the street is not going to realize what they need to do .
For example, Mr. Jen brought home peppers from the grocery store. He carefully washed them off then proceeded to pick up the same bag he had brought them home in to put them back in for the fridge. Until I stopped him and pointed out he was putting the clean peppers back in the contaminated bag he had pulled them out of.
He's not stupid, he just didn't think about it.
Posted by: Jen the original at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (hhYtz)
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Tucker misunderstood the intent, which is not that masks don't necessarily prevent transmission of COVID-19, but of OTHER diseases that health professionals need masks to not spread to thier vulnerable patients, and others.
If there is a mask shortage, health professionals will spread other diseases.
It has nothing to do with COVID-19.
If there is a mask shortage, health professionals will spread other diseases.
It has nothing to do with COVID-19.
Posted by: @PeeteySDee at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (1xOtO)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
You think small. Just extend the furlough indefinitely for all non-essential gov. workers. I think Rand had a list of 7 agencies somewhere that no one would miss.
You think small. Just extend the furlough indefinitely for all non-essential gov. workers. I think Rand had a list of 7 agencies somewhere that no one would miss.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (LWu6U)
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I would like to get the Kung Flu, so there are no fucks available here. I also wanted to get the Bird and Pig Flus- but failed. I gotta get something, or I'll be puking up organs like everyone else when CPT Tripps comes to town.
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (MJ1tp)
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my.minivan isas old as my college freshman
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:15 PM (G546f)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 31, 2020 04:15 PM (pS94+)
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>> Further research suggests that this wasn't a lie. These idiots legitimately believe that masks won't help ordinary people, based on some shoddy studies
WHO thinks they won't work because people can't put them on correctly.
WHO thinks they won't work because people can't put them on correctly.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:15 PM (bDqIh)
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You really are talking about like another $3-$5k in equipment all to save like $3 a week in gas. And the stuff breaks all the time. Ford put in some crazy transmission to hit these standards and they basically all break.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (sjTfF)
interesting. I've got 5 Fords ranging from 2014 to 1995 and have had zero transmission failures.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (sjTfF)
interesting. I've got 5 Fords ranging from 2014 to 1995 and have had zero transmission failures.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 04:15 PM (Zz0t1)
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I read that the n95 has three micron holes and viruses are about 1 micron. So they can't be 100% effective, especially for the air gaps which are millimeters or more bigger on the mask to face interface.
But masks will cut down on a good percentage of the virus. From years of doing smoke and effluent filter designs, I'd estimate it will knock down 85% of a given moles of virus in a given volume. It would be a very complex calculation with many assumptions. However, I've made a career on gut intuition and have been very close to the correct answers.
Bottom line is masks is better than no masks for both the non infected getting the virus and the infected for spreading the virus.
But masks will cut down on a good percentage of the virus. From years of doing smoke and effluent filter designs, I'd estimate it will knock down 85% of a given moles of virus in a given volume. It would be a very complex calculation with many assumptions. However, I've made a career on gut intuition and have been very close to the correct answers.
Bottom line is masks is better than no masks for both the non infected getting the virus and the infected for spreading the virus.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 31, 2020 04:15 PM (pw+jk)
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Yeah. I'll worry about Phase IV, The Indebtening, when the time comes.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (KnJdm)
The Gods of the Market Place say money grows on trees, and the moon is made of cheese.
All is well, until it isn't.
We will see you soon enough.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (KnJdm)
The Gods of the Market Place say money grows on trees, and the moon is made of cheese.
All is well, until it isn't.
We will see you soon enough.
Posted by: The Gods of the Copybook Headings at March 31, 2020 04:15 PM (J+mig)
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303 >>>Same here. It would be nice if they would tell the truth. If they think it's an escaped bioweapon, then say it, because they are sure acting like it is
I'm trying to understand this: Those who think this is an actually BIOWEAPON are those most resistant to any kind of mitigation efforts?
That seems awfully backwards, doesn't it?
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (PbpT7)
Hard to square the circle of 'it's China's fault for releasing this deadly plague' and 'it's just the flu, don't shut anything down.'
But that is the circle we are given. We can only do the trigonometry.
I'm trying to understand this: Those who think this is an actually BIOWEAPON are those most resistant to any kind of mitigation efforts?
That seems awfully backwards, doesn't it?
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (PbpT7)
Hard to square the circle of 'it's China's fault for releasing this deadly plague' and 'it's just the flu, don't shut anything down.'
But that is the circle we are given. We can only do the trigonometry.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:15 PM (IB++I)
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I think of people saying 'just use common sense' -then I see a website like 'People Of Walmart' and think-
we're doomed as a species
we're doomed as a species
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (iTXRQ)
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Here's my problem with any percentage rate that's quoted: let's say, "1%". is that 1% of...
a) people who seek treatment?
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
a) people who seek treatment?
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (trdmm)
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19 I know gloves are discarded after one use, but how long is one N95 or P95 lasting when testing people for things that end up not being Chinese Lung AIDS? Ten minutes? One day? A week?
Anyone in the field able to shed some light on this?
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:46 PM (PRN3w)
CNN had a Doctor on and she stated that the hospital went through a years worth of Masks in 1 month.
Now they keep changing masks, gloves etc everytime they go to a Different Patient. Now My wife stated that she feels they are wasting stuff. You can have the paper mask that's not a N95 or a paper mask over your N95 mask and you throw out the paper mask.
Also they are having to hide Masks and Gloves because at the time Visitors were stealing them.
Pray for Families, They have banned all visitors and if you are dying you get 1.
Anyone in the field able to shed some light on this?
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at March 31, 2020 03:46 PM (PRN3w)
CNN had a Doctor on and she stated that the hospital went through a years worth of Masks in 1 month.
Now they keep changing masks, gloves etc everytime they go to a Different Patient. Now My wife stated that she feels they are wasting stuff. You can have the paper mask that's not a N95 or a paper mask over your N95 mask and you throw out the paper mask.
Also they are having to hide Masks and Gloves because at the time Visitors were stealing them.
Pray for Families, They have banned all visitors and if you are dying you get 1.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (dKiJG)
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April 15 ?!? That's the Ides of April !!!!!!!
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March, July, October, May
Ides is on the fifteenth day
The Nones the seventh all besides
Two days less for Nones and Ides
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March, July, October, May
Ides is on the fifteenth day
The Nones the seventh all besides
Two days less for Nones and Ides
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (+y/Ru)
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the masks work for stopping/reducing the odds of catching the "germs", but probably even better for those that have the germs, to reduce their spread to other people/surfaces.
someone yesterday linked to studies comparing surgical to N-95, and they were both the same. They tested nurses catching the flu, iirc. They found a way to "test" without masks ... I forget details, but parents with kids or something. Without masks was like 25% caught it, with masks was like 5-10% caught it. So they are not perfect ... but pretty good, at preventing infection if you have no infection.
someone yesterday linked to studies comparing surgical to N-95, and they were both the same. They tested nurses catching the flu, iirc. They found a way to "test" without masks ... I forget details, but parents with kids or something. Without masks was like 25% caught it, with masks was like 5-10% caught it. So they are not perfect ... but pretty good, at preventing infection if you have no infection.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (Cus5s)
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Same here. It would be nice if they would tell the truth. If they think
it's an escaped bioweapon, then say it, because they are sure acting
like it is.
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They can't say that without announcing we're nuking China in retaliation.
And, at the moment, we're not.
it's an escaped bioweapon, then say it, because they are sure acting
like it is.
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They can't say that without announcing we're nuking China in retaliation.
And, at the moment, we're not.
Posted by: Methos at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (kOpft)
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>>>324 I read that the n95 has three micron holes and viruses are about 1 micron. So they can't be 100% effective, especially for the air gaps which are millimeters or more bigger on the mask to face interface.
as several commenters are pointing out, most virus will not be transmitted as a naked virus, but in droplets of saliva, which are many times larger than a micron across.
as several commenters are pointing out, most virus will not be transmitted as a naked virus, but in droplets of saliva, which are many times larger than a micron across.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (PbpT7)
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I don't have any masks. If I tried to order them from Amazon it would probably take three weeks. I will socially distance myself from people as much as I can and have been washing my hands more frequently. That's about it. I would rather health workers have the masks.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (WI7YS)
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328 Here's my problem with any percentage rate that's quoted: let's say, "1%". is that 1% of...
a) people who seek treatment?
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (trdmm)
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It's supposed to be everyone infected.
But the data is so incomplete on COVID that it's effectively just those tested.
a) people who seek treatment?
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (trdmm)
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It's supposed to be everyone infected.
But the data is so incomplete on COVID that it's effectively just those tested.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (zZbCU)
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What would Greg House do in this situation?
Taunt 13, challenge Foreman, and bang Cuddy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 31, 2020
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Ah, Thirteen, aka Remy Hadley. Much as I loved Cameron (Jennifer Morrison), any episode with Olivia Wilde in it is a must-watch.
Taunt 13, challenge Foreman, and bang Cuddy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 31, 2020
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Ah, Thirteen, aka Remy Hadley. Much as I loved Cameron (Jennifer Morrison), any episode with Olivia Wilde in it is a must-watch.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (rpbg1)
Posted by: Hillary at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (Y274z)
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It seems to me, that a mask that would filter out virus spores wouldn't pass enough fucking air to keep you alive. Virus spores are incredibly miniscule, so the pores in the mask would have to be smaller still. So the surface area needed to let enough air in to breath would far exceed the practical size of the masks people wear.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (o2MD2)
Studies and real world experience differs from that.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 31, 2020 04:12 PM (o2MD2)
Studies and real world experience differs from that.
Posted by: Jen the original at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (hhYtz)
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Now they keep changing masks, gloves etc everytime they go to a Different Patient. Now My wife stated that she feels they are wasting stuff. You can have the paper mask that's not a N95 or a paper mask over your N95 mask and you throw out the paper mask.
Changing gloves between patients is standard infection control protocol.
Changing gloves between patients is standard infection control protocol.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (NWiLs)
340
We have 6 cases in our county. We have had 6 cases in our county for four days. Seems I should be able to go the donut shop.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (lwiT4)
We have 19 holding steady in our very large county. Two elderly people died yesterday of the virus, but they had pre-existing conditions.
And our very own Mayor Fredo is fining any businesses who aren't "essential" $1,200. He's already fined 30. Now he's threatening to place Savannah in a curfew. The place is already like a ghost town. The only people out roaming around in groups are yutes.
Guy's a native New Yorker and a prog. Thanks, libs.
We have 6 cases in our county. We have had 6 cases in our county for four days. Seems I should be able to go the donut shop.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 31, 2020 04:14 PM (lwiT4)
We have 19 holding steady in our very large county. Two elderly people died yesterday of the virus, but they had pre-existing conditions.
And our very own Mayor Fredo is fining any businesses who aren't "essential" $1,200. He's already fined 30. Now he's threatening to place Savannah in a curfew. The place is already like a ghost town. The only people out roaming around in groups are yutes.
Guy's a native New Yorker and a prog. Thanks, libs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (ptqGC)
341
I think of people saying 'just use common sense' -then I see a website like 'People Of Walmart' and think-
we're doomed as a species
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (iTXRQ)
And it's not just Americans. These types are global. This is what happens with liberals take over the education systems and government intervenes in EVERYTHING.
we're doomed as a species
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (iTXRQ)
And it's not just Americans. These types are global. This is what happens with liberals take over the education systems and government intervenes in EVERYTHING.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (Zz0t1)
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You think small. Just extend the furlough indefinitely for all non-essential gov. workers. I think Rand had a list of 7 agencies somewhere that no one would miss.
Yeah I think that would be a good move on Trump's part. Dump jobs like the guy who makes sure the border between Washington State and Canada doesn't get changed.
Yeah I think that would be a good move on Trump's part. Dump jobs like the guy who makes sure the border between Washington State and Canada doesn't get changed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (KZzsI)
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>>>328 Here's my problem with any percentage rate that's quoted: let's say, "1%". is that 1% of...
a) people who seek treatment?
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
1% of anyone who catches it.
The percentages are much higher for people who have to be hospitalized.
a) people who seek treatment?
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
1% of anyone who catches it.
The percentages are much higher for people who have to be hospitalized.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (G546f)
345
You really are talking about like another $3-$5k in equipment all to save like $3 a week in gas. And the stuff breaks all the time. Ford put in some crazy transmission to hit these standards and they basically all break.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (sjTfF)
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Then there's the maths.
Cash for Clunkers encouraged people to get rid of a paid for car, then, get a car with a $300/month car payment in order to save $40/month on gasoline.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM (sjTfF)
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Then there's the maths.
Cash for Clunkers encouraged people to get rid of a paid for car, then, get a car with a $300/month car payment in order to save $40/month on gasoline.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (WEBkv)
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We are wasting masks. We have a health care system which has not been able to adapt to a crisis.
Masks are STILL being changed between each patient even though every patient has the same disease. That is how they go through 300K in a week.
CDC set up guidelines and hospitals follow them. They require mask for each encounter with a patient, and doffing the PPE between patients.
That is madness.
Masks are STILL being changed between each patient even though every patient has the same disease. That is how they go through 300K in a week.
CDC set up guidelines and hospitals follow them. They require mask for each encounter with a patient, and doffing the PPE between patients.
That is madness.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (LWu6U)
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I have masks
when I ordered them, everyone I knew on FB told me I was a LOONY
lol
and now they're all screaming bloody murder on FB that some kid is outside walking the dog
when I ordered them, everyone I knew on FB told me I was a LOONY
lol
and now they're all screaming bloody murder on FB that some kid is outside walking the dog
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (j9HX3)
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71 The media has such little respect for conservatives and Trump supporters, they can't even refer to Mike Lindell by his name.
He's only known as "The My Pillow Guy."
At least everyone knows his company, now.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)
Well that's the Streisand Effect in action, right there.
He's only known as "The My Pillow Guy."
At least everyone knows his company, now.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)
Well that's the Streisand Effect in action, right there.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (iuFgi)
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324 I read that the n95 has three micron holes and viruses are about 1 micron. So they can't be 100% effective, especially for the air gaps which are millimeters or more bigger on the mask to face interface.
But masks will cut down on a good percentage of the virus. From years of doing smoke and effluent filter designs, I'd estimate it will knock down 85% of a given moles of virus in a given volume. It would be a very complex calculation with many assumptions. However, I've made a career on gut intuition and have been very close to the correct answers.
Bottom line is masks is better than no masks for both the non infected getting the virus and the infected for spreading the virus.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 31, 2020 04:15 PM (pw+jk)
I hear that even surgical masks are 100% effective, because virus size doesn't matter in transmission unless the virus is fully airborne like Measles. What matters is droplet size, and studies suggest that surgical masks actually block the real particles involved in transmitting the virus, which are relatively large droplets.
I linked to some stuff yesterday about this, trials concerning other coronaviruses (so a virus that is similar in size and transmission means) comparing n95 to surgical masks and finding them both effective and relatively identical.
But masks will cut down on a good percentage of the virus. From years of doing smoke and effluent filter designs, I'd estimate it will knock down 85% of a given moles of virus in a given volume. It would be a very complex calculation with many assumptions. However, I've made a career on gut intuition and have been very close to the correct answers.
Bottom line is masks is better than no masks for both the non infected getting the virus and the infected for spreading the virus.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 31, 2020 04:15 PM (pw+jk)
I hear that even surgical masks are 100% effective, because virus size doesn't matter in transmission unless the virus is fully airborne like Measles. What matters is droplet size, and studies suggest that surgical masks actually block the real particles involved in transmitting the virus, which are relatively large droplets.
I linked to some stuff yesterday about this, trials concerning other coronaviruses (so a virus that is similar in size and transmission means) comparing n95 to surgical masks and finding them both effective and relatively identical.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (IB++I)
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Some advice.
Wear latex or nitrile gloves if you want. You can wash them, just like you eash your hands, except with the gloves on your hands.
Cloth masks. Be careful removing them. Wash your hands after you remove them. Wash the cloth masks in HOT WATER, with bleach if possible.
Don't be afraid to change cloth masks if you are out and about. Make sure you don't contaminate yourself with the mask. Put it in a plastic bag, and wash your hands.
Wash your hands!
Can't wash your hands? Use Clorox wipes, or baby wipes, or sanitizer gel.
Wear latex or nitrile gloves if you want. You can wash them, just like you eash your hands, except with the gloves on your hands.
Cloth masks. Be careful removing them. Wash your hands after you remove them. Wash the cloth masks in HOT WATER, with bleach if possible.
Don't be afraid to change cloth masks if you are out and about. Make sure you don't contaminate yourself with the mask. Put it in a plastic bag, and wash your hands.
Wash your hands!
Can't wash your hands? Use Clorox wipes, or baby wipes, or sanitizer gel.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (+0uDE)
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"281 /yes, I know I am crazy.
Posted by: shibumi in a tinfoil hat at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (ZCiJZ)
Then I am too."
Same. This has more than the usual malevolent left-wing vibe to it. The virus is a serious problem but never warranted much/most of this reaction, which seems calculated to tank the economy deliberately. Whether it was deliberate or exploited to do so, this will accomplish what the Green New Deal was designed to do unless a miracle happens.
Posted by: shibumi in a tinfoil hat at March 31, 2020 04:06 PM (ZCiJZ)
Then I am too."
Same. This has more than the usual malevolent left-wing vibe to it. The virus is a serious problem but never warranted much/most of this reaction, which seems calculated to tank the economy deliberately. Whether it was deliberate or exploited to do so, this will accomplish what the Green New Deal was designed to do unless a miracle happens.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (puu6v)
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I guess it never occurred to them to say "these work, but we are restricting who can get them and want you not to buy them until we have enough for our healthcare workers who need them most."
And of course, just regular masks could be a big help as well if it became normal for people to wear them.
And of course, just regular masks could be a big help as well if it became normal for people to wear them.
Posted by: Thatch at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (qWceQ)
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Is it my imagination or has every TV commercial become a virtue signaling drama telling us how much they care for us and will be there for us?
It's just weird.
It's just weird.
Posted by: Pete Seria at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (7ZQe3)
Posted by: torabora at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (Y274z)
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Changing gloves between patients is standard infection control protocol.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (NWiLs)
This is the case even in food prep. If you touch one type of food, you must change gloves before you touch another type of food.
Not changing gloves in a Dr/hospital situation is stupid.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (NWiLs)
This is the case even in food prep. If you touch one type of food, you must change gloves before you touch another type of food.
Not changing gloves in a Dr/hospital situation is stupid.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (Zz0t1)
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You don't need a mask. Just do what I do. Visibly open carry and when people start to get too close place your hand on the pistol.
Oh yeah, and stop touching your face.
Oh yeah, and stop touching your face.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (8/E19)
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Also -- "Guns never work for self-defense"...says the leftist politician surrounded by several armed guards.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (N9G0H)
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The whole government not being truthful "for our own good" reminds me of the whole Roswell UFO conspiracy theory.
You better damn well believe if the government couldn't be straight with us about disposable masks, they would have lied to us about UFOs if they did find something.
You better damn well believe if the government couldn't be straight with us about disposable masks, they would have lied to us about UFOs if they did find something.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (sjTfF)
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Many people would have already gotten checks if Pelosi didn't delay things with her bullshit.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (CqE5x)
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I'm convinced that many simply do not comprehend the difference between "risk mitigation" and "risk remediation." It's as though some think that access to anything less than a PPPS means that ya might as well let Chinese citizens spit in your mouth.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: azalea city at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (WX+x0)
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MacGyver would had this solved in 20 minutes using nothing more than a pocket knife.
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And a cantaloupe.
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And a cantaloupe.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (+y/Ru)
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>>>But the data is so incomplete on COVID that it's effectively just those tested.
as a commenter pointed out, the actual numbers are something like 18% fatality rate -- because not enough people are being tested and shown to have it.
But discounting for that, it seems to be the fatality rate will be around 1% or a bit over 1%.
as a commenter pointed out, the actual numbers are something like 18% fatality rate -- because not enough people are being tested and shown to have it.
But discounting for that, it seems to be the fatality rate will be around 1% or a bit over 1%.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (PbpT7)
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>>Hard to square the circle of 'it's China's fault for releasing this deadly plague' and 'it's just the flu, don't shut anything down.'
We have taken pretty drastic steps to mitigate both the spread and the death rate of this virus. Many countries including Italy, Spain, France did not until they were overwhelmed.
I don't understand why people can't look at two completely different approaches with vastly different outcomes to the same virus and say to themselves, hey maybe what we are doing is helping hold the rates down or America is unique on the planet as it relates to this virus.
We have taken pretty drastic steps to mitigate both the spread and the death rate of this virus. Many countries including Italy, Spain, France did not until they were overwhelmed.
I don't understand why people can't look at two completely different approaches with vastly different outcomes to the same virus and say to themselves, hey maybe what we are doing is helping hold the rates down or America is unique on the planet as it relates to this virus.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (TQ/zJ)
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Just to add to question about flu and why this virus is different, (I am paraphrasing somebody smart) we know how to predict mortality with flu, we know what the outcome is. We do not know the outcome with this virus. We know how to treat flu. Not this. So far.
Just to add to question about flu and why this virus is different, (I am paraphrasing somebody smart) we know how to predict mortality with flu, we know what the outcome is. We do not know the outcome with this virus. We know how to treat flu. Not this. So far.
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (N9G0H)
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He means, specifically, the stories the government put out that "masks don't help you avoid transmitting, or even contracting, the virus."
Paging Captain John Yossarian, Captain John Yossarian, please pick up the with paging phone.
Paging Captain John Yossarian, Captain John Yossarian, please pick up the with paging phone.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (axyOa)
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I think I'll just stay home... And bar the windows and doors
Posted by: It's me donna at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (5bxa0)
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Trump will make Obama pay for wading into this.....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (CqE5x)
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One other thing to consider is the Just In Time Supply System allows no margin of error. Remember stores having stock on the shelves? That built in an reserve of things that JIT supply system said would not be necessary.
Posted by: Puddin Head at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (NLDk+)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (++3nO)
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Understand that the c-virus dies in not-all-that-high heat. I've seen quoted 160 F in an oven for 30 minutes to bake out the 'rona. It'll rid a lot of other germs too. Maybe not some bacteria but if for home use, you should be fine.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (ykYG2)
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It's probably not even worthwhile to make the effort, but there is no scientific evidence that COVID-19 is more "sticky" than other viruses. A study was published in the NEJM, the world's top medical journal, which concluded that it "sticks" or survives for up to 72 hours on hard surfaces like steel and plastic and 24 hours on cardboard. Thinking it was a SARS virus, the authors compared it with another SARS coronavirus and found that they had the same "stickability." Common viruses, however, can last 4-5 days on hard surfaces and up to 9 under certain condisions.
Posted by: Caliban at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (QE8X6)
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Oh yeah, and stop touching your face.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy
Is it OK if I touch your face?
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM
Hard to touch your face with a beer in each hand.
Just sayin'
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy
Is it OK if I touch your face?
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM
Hard to touch your face with a beer in each hand.
Just sayin'
Posted by: Diogenes at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (axyOa)
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Here in Washington, as far as I know we were never told they didn't work. We were explicitly told to leave them for the front line because they really needed them and we didn't unless we were unable to social distance.
We were always told that the mask worked and that front line medical people needed them more than us.
That said, lots of people wear masks. We have a large asian population in Seattle and lots of people were wearing masks on buses and in Costco long before any of this started.
We were always told that the mask worked and that front line medical people needed them more than us.
That said, lots of people wear masks. We have a large asian population in Seattle and lots of people were wearing masks on buses and in Costco long before any of this started.
Posted by: Seattle Slough at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (IJG6N)
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363 >>>But the data is so incomplete on COVID that it's effectively just those tested.
as a commenter pointed out, the actual numbers are something like 18% fatality rate -- because not enough people are being tested and shown to have it.
But discounting for that, it seems to be the fatality rate will be around 1% or a bit over 1%.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (PbpT7)
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The actual numbers are no 18%.
The actual numbers in the US are 2%. 18% comes from comparing deaths to total number of closed cases, which is not how you calculate overall death rates.
as a commenter pointed out, the actual numbers are something like 18% fatality rate -- because not enough people are being tested and shown to have it.
But discounting for that, it seems to be the fatality rate will be around 1% or a bit over 1%.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (PbpT7)
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The actual numbers are no 18%.
The actual numbers in the US are 2%. 18% comes from comparing deaths to total number of closed cases, which is not how you calculate overall death rates.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (zZbCU)
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the other important thing, even if some inoculum gets past a mask, the dosage makes a difference. (plus masks and maybe glasses mean you can't rub your eyes, after touching a contaminated surface)
Posted by: illiniwek at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (9ls8w)
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Here's a question, and it's probably dumb. Couldn't a N95 mask, after seeing a patient, be placed in a closed box and given a short blast of uv light?
Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (C1Lsn)
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That built in an reserve of things that JIT supply system said would not be necessary.
Ah, the AGILE method. Inventory is "waste", they teach us.
Ah, the AGILE method. Inventory is "waste", they teach us.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (ykYG2)
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restricting who can get them and want you not to buy them until we have enough for our healthcare workers who need them most."
Because people would just hoard them.
Because people would just hoard them.
Posted by: dagny at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (6KKvB)
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89 Use weak hand to pull glove off dominant hand, still hold onto glove. Grab weak hand glove on inside of wrist, pull it where it turns inside-out, containing the other glove that you were holding. Dispose of properly.
You never touch any contact surface that way, the inside is out, and all contaminated surfaces are contained within.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (J+mig)
cool
You never touch any contact surface that way, the inside is out, and all contaminated surfaces are contained within.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (J+mig)
cool
Posted by: m at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (ghFVE)
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Instead of using logic, our healthcare system is mired in procedures and regulations.
And the best part is that EVERYONE KNOWS that it does not work. HCW are getting infected. The masks are not enough in a hospital. This is why they used outdoor tents with lots of ventilation in past epidemics. This is why they all need powered respirators.
Watching this unfold is like watching idiocracy, but not as funny.
And the best part is that EVERYONE KNOWS that it does not work. HCW are getting infected. The masks are not enough in a hospital. This is why they used outdoor tents with lots of ventilation in past epidemics. This is why they all need powered respirators.
Watching this unfold is like watching idiocracy, but not as funny.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (LWu6U)
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343:
"1% of anyone who catches it."
Based on confirmed cases, right? TJM hit it above about random testing. To know an actual mortality rate we would need to know the actual number of cases or be able to approximate it.
"1% of anyone who catches it."
Based on confirmed cases, right? TJM hit it above about random testing. To know an actual mortality rate we would need to know the actual number of cases or be able to approximate it.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (puu6v)
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259 "Posted by: Floridachick at March 31, 2020 04:07 PM (HkkrU)"
Please stop. You sound too much like you know what you're talking about.
We need more of the jazz fingers hysteric
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Used to be an RN in a previous life. Once an RN always one. Rusty now on clinical skills and you wont see me putting an iv on anyone, but the healthcare knowledge is still present in the old brain.
People wearing full head knitted caps with eye slits walking around in south florida grocery stores really baffle me.
Please stop. You sound too much like you know what you're talking about.
We need more of the jazz fingers hysteric
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Used to be an RN in a previous life. Once an RN always one. Rusty now on clinical skills and you wont see me putting an iv on anyone, but the healthcare knowledge is still present in the old brain.
People wearing full head knitted caps with eye slits walking around in south florida grocery stores really baffle me.
Posted by: Floridachick at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (HkkrU)
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Work better, IMO, and last longer. But have the same limitations about getting wet. And they do, especially if you are working and sweating.
N 95 masks have a better fit mechanism and filter smaller aerosols. They require putting on a bit differently than surgical masks to get a tight seal.
Have two straps to hold them to your face and have the ability to push a seal around your mouth and nose that cheap paper masks don't have.
N 95's are actually the best type of mask to avoid breathing in any kind of aerosolized virus or bacteria.
None of the above masks work for oil based types of aerosols such as paint, etc. which require a full on respirator.
Posted by: Jen the original
CBRN Full Face Mask and Respirator with Attached Drinking Tube.
N 95 masks have a better fit mechanism and filter smaller aerosols. They require putting on a bit differently than surgical masks to get a tight seal.
Have two straps to hold them to your face and have the ability to push a seal around your mouth and nose that cheap paper masks don't have.
N 95's are actually the best type of mask to avoid breathing in any kind of aerosolized virus or bacteria.
None of the above masks work for oil based types of aerosols such as paint, etc. which require a full on respirator.
Posted by: Jen the original
CBRN Full Face Mask and Respirator with Attached Drinking Tube.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (W2taJ)
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so how Taiwan is doing it s they are tracking mask purchases per person (via insurance card)
You can buy 3 masks per week for an adult, and 5 per week for a child.
You can buy 3 masks per week for an adult, and 5 per week for a child.
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (G546f)
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There needs to be an end of declarations about the Wuhan Flu based on personal tragedy or experience. Whether your grannie got it and lived or got it and died means nothing whatsoever about the science or the danger. It just means you have personally experienced an event.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (KZzsI)
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343 >>>328 Here's my problem with any percentage rate that's quoted: let's say, "1%". is that 1% of...
a) people who seek treatment?
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
1% of anyone who catches it.
The percentages are much higher for people who have to be hospitalized.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (PbpT7)
Correct. The worldmeter data is pretty explicit, it is 18%-19% of closed cases, which means that at present that percentage of cases died, and the other percentage recovered. The overstatement we expect is from 1. real cases which were never confirmed, 2. late discharges for recovery lagging behind dying.
I don't think the overstatement can be more than 10x, an order of magnitude, but given that statistics across the board are being collected differently, it's hard to know.
a) people who seek treatment?
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
1% of anyone who catches it.
The percentages are much higher for people who have to be hospitalized.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (PbpT7)
Correct. The worldmeter data is pretty explicit, it is 18%-19% of closed cases, which means that at present that percentage of cases died, and the other percentage recovered. The overstatement we expect is from 1. real cases which were never confirmed, 2. late discharges for recovery lagging behind dying.
I don't think the overstatement can be more than 10x, an order of magnitude, but given that statistics across the board are being collected differently, it's hard to know.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:22 PM (IB++I)
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358 The whole government not being truthful "for our own good" reminds me of the whole Roswell UFO conspiracy theory.
You better damn well believe if the government couldn't be straight with us about disposable masks, they would have lied to us about UFOs if they did find something.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (sjTfF)
The government, particularly the bureaucratic establishment, has through its own actions lent new credibility to every conspiracy theory over the past 4 years.
Once it's established that they are soulless liars, the only questions are how many things they've lied about, how much, and when.
You better damn well believe if the government couldn't be straight with us about disposable masks, they would have lied to us about UFOs if they did find something.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (sjTfF)
The government, particularly the bureaucratic establishment, has through its own actions lent new credibility to every conspiracy theory over the past 4 years.
Once it's established that they are soulless liars, the only questions are how many things they've lied about, how much, and when.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at March 31, 2020 04:22 PM (J+mig)
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as several commenters are pointing out, most virus will not be transmitted as a naked virus, but in droplets of saliva, which are many times larger than a micron across.
What is left when the droplets evaporate? Airborne virus, no?
What is left when the droplets evaporate? Airborne virus, no?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 31, 2020 04:22 PM (o2MD2)
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Surgeon General was on WMAL this am and they asked him specifically. He sticks by the story that masks don't help. BUT they help medical professionals.
He said in response to a question about other countries that use masks or REQUIRE mask usage and whether they were wrong, the SG said "well they have different cultures and maybe more experience wearing masks."
Okay then.
It was sad, honestly.
He said in response to a question about other countries that use masks or REQUIRE mask usage and whether they were wrong, the SG said "well they have different cultures and maybe more experience wearing masks."
Okay then.
It was sad, honestly.
Posted by: blaster at March 31, 2020 04:22 PM (ZfRYq)
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uv light?
Posted by: bill in arkansas
UV kills the static charge that they rely on. The plastic is charged to attract particles. Heat is OK, but takes time.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
UV kills the static charge that they rely on. The plastic is charged to attract particles. Heat is OK, but takes time.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:22 PM (LWu6U)
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98 Finally I won't look suspicious in public !
Posted by: Zorro at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (zr5Kq)
; )
Posted by: Zorro at March 31, 2020 03:55 PM (zr5Kq)
; )
Posted by: m at March 31, 2020 04:22 PM (ghFVE)
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Yeah just had a heated discussion with my husband about this. Apparently he believes it. I just found a box of masks didn't even know we had. I don't remember why we bought them.
Posted by: Jewells45 at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (dUJdY)
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Ah, the AGILE method. Inventory is "waste", they teach us.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (ykYG2)
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Heh.
Worked in a factory when they decided to try and go to "JIT" rather than build to inventory.
What a disaster.
JIT made sense for low volume product, but stuff we consumed 10's of thousands of parts per year? No.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 31, 2020 04:20 PM (ykYG2)
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Heh.
Worked in a factory when they decided to try and go to "JIT" rather than build to inventory.
What a disaster.
JIT made sense for low volume product, but stuff we consumed 10's of thousands of parts per year? No.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (WEBkv)
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supposedly three times as contagious -- because it's "sticky," I think, and hangs around alive on surfaces for long times -- and it's ten to twelve times as deadly.
flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (PbpT7)
Ace,
I'd disagree with the second half of this. it's resolving out to about 1% based on confirmed cases vs deaths. If you factor in, admittedly just an estimate, the fact that of those tested, less than 20% of those with some sort of symptoms are actually contracting it, and the number who are asymptomatic or "just flu" symptoms they treat themselves, i think it's safer to say it's going to end up in the .1-.3% mortality over all.
now how that interacts with more infectious, i have a hard time determining.
flu has a 0.1% fatailty rate and this one has what seems to be resolving into the 1.0-1.2% range.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:03 PM (PbpT7)
Ace,
I'd disagree with the second half of this. it's resolving out to about 1% based on confirmed cases vs deaths. If you factor in, admittedly just an estimate, the fact that of those tested, less than 20% of those with some sort of symptoms are actually contracting it, and the number who are asymptomatic or "just flu" symptoms they treat themselves, i think it's safer to say it's going to end up in the .1-.3% mortality over all.
now how that interacts with more infectious, i have a hard time determining.
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (8D42x)
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"1% of anyone who catches it."
Based on confirmed cases, right? TJM hit it above about random testing. To know an actual mortality rate we would need to know the actual number of cases or be able to approximate it.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat
Guesstimated 2018-2019 Flu Season:
35.4 million cases
34k deaths
And they'll never know the exact number because some people get the flu and never report it.
Based on confirmed cases, right? TJM hit it above about random testing. To know an actual mortality rate we would need to know the actual number of cases or be able to approximate it.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat
Guesstimated 2018-2019 Flu Season:
35.4 million cases
34k deaths
And they'll never know the exact number because some people get the flu and never report it.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (W2taJ)
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>>>Based on confirmed cases, right? TJM hit it above about random testing. To know an actual mortality rate we would need to know the actual number of cases or be able to approximate it.
no, no, no. The fatality rate just among confirmed cases is very high. The 1% number is a guess of what the actual fatality rate would be if you assume infection rates 10-20 times greater than the number of people confirmed to have it
What I'm trying to say is: We're already taking into account the "discount" you're looking for.
no, no, no. The fatality rate just among confirmed cases is very high. The 1% number is a guess of what the actual fatality rate would be if you assume infection rates 10-20 times greater than the number of people confirmed to have it
What I'm trying to say is: We're already taking into account the "discount" you're looking for.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (PbpT7)
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>>But discounting for that, it seems to be the fatality rate will be around 1% or a bit over 1%.
When we get done with this, I don't see how it gets to .6%.
We are being awful gracious with these caused by Covid #'s in a population of victims predominantly over 60+ years of age.
When we get done with this, I don't see how it gets to .6%.
We are being awful gracious with these caused by Covid #'s in a population of victims predominantly over 60+ years of age.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (WhtJc)
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And again, "flu" is a word we use to describe certain upper or lower resiratory symptoms caused by lots of viruses. It is not a specific disease. The vast majority of people who contract COVID-19 are either asymptomatic or have relatively mild symptoms. For them, it is "the flu."
Posted by: Caliban at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (QE8X6)
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The actual numbers in the US are 2%. 18% comes from comparing deaths to total number of closed cases, which is not how you calculate overall death ratio
Yeah the media especially likes to compare apples and oranges as long as it makes the US (and Trump) seem bad. Tons of bad info and misinformation going around.
Yeah the media especially likes to compare apples and oranges as long as it makes the US (and Trump) seem bad. Tons of bad info and misinformation going around.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (KZzsI)
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I read somewhere the virus was killed in direct sunlight UV rays in 2 seconds.
Vitamin D helps prevent infection, also gained by sun exposure.
Suns out, go out. Transmission rates, seems to me, would be much lower in direct sunlight. That doesn't mean you can go around frenching everyone in the sun, however.
Vitamin D helps prevent infection, also gained by sun exposure.
Suns out, go out. Transmission rates, seems to me, would be much lower in direct sunlight. That doesn't mean you can go around frenching everyone in the sun, however.
Posted by: Sponge at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (Zz0t1)
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I still think that as testing becomes widespread, that 1% number is going to drop significantly. Assuming 1% is where people have come up with the 2 million to 3 million deaths here in America, and I do not think we're going to see that. 0.1% is where you get 200,000 to 300,000 deaths, spread out over the time it takes for 100% of the population to be exposed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM
Yeah, I'm not quite sure how anyone is determining anything with regards to the mortality of this virus. Since we have no idea how many cases there are.
The only cases count that we have is based on people who have been tested. But since we know for a fact that not everyone who has COVID-19 has been tested for it, how can we know what the mortality rate is?
We can't. It's all a guess based on very limited testing.
Keep in mind that the CDC guesstimates the number of influenza cases each year and gives a range. And that is because not everyone who contracts influenza every year is sick enough to have to go to a doctor.
Their range for '19 - '20 influenza hospitalizations? 400,000 - 730,000.
Their range for illnesses (cases): 38,000,000 - 54,000,000
That's a pretty wide range.
54 million is 17% of the American population.
The sad thing is, if you told the average American right now that 38,000,000 Americans were going to get COVID-19, they would probably freak out, not even realizing that that is the low estimate for influenza cases this year.
https://bit.ly/2R2k0Dv
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:10 PM
Yeah, I'm not quite sure how anyone is determining anything with regards to the mortality of this virus. Since we have no idea how many cases there are.
The only cases count that we have is based on people who have been tested. But since we know for a fact that not everyone who has COVID-19 has been tested for it, how can we know what the mortality rate is?
We can't. It's all a guess based on very limited testing.
Keep in mind that the CDC guesstimates the number of influenza cases each year and gives a range. And that is because not everyone who contracts influenza every year is sick enough to have to go to a doctor.
Their range for '19 - '20 influenza hospitalizations? 400,000 - 730,000.
Their range for illnesses (cases): 38,000,000 - 54,000,000
That's a pretty wide range.
54 million is 17% of the American population.
The sad thing is, if you told the average American right now that 38,000,000 Americans were going to get COVID-19, they would probably freak out, not even realizing that that is the low estimate for influenza cases this year.
https://bit.ly/2R2k0Dv
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (Do5/p)
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Guesstimated 2018-2019 Flu Season:
35.4 million cases
34k deaths
And they'll never know the exact number because some people get the flu and never report it.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (W2taJ)
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The flu has decades of data behind it which makes it easier to model. COVID is new, we're still figuring it out, and there's a lot of guesswork.
Guesstimated 2018-2019 Flu Season:
35.4 million cases
34k deaths
And they'll never know the exact number because some people get the flu and never report it.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (W2taJ)
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The flu has decades of data behind it which makes it easier to model. COVID is new, we're still figuring it out, and there's a lot of guesswork.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (zZbCU)
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"Is it OK if I touch your face?
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (N9G0H)"
You can try. But that comes with a high risk of lead poisoning.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:19 PM (N9G0H)"
You can try. But that comes with a high risk of lead poisoning.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (8/E19)
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394 Thanks.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (C1Lsn)
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Because people would just hoard them.
Posted by: dagny at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (6KKvB)
no way
Posted by: dagny at March 31, 2020 04:21 PM (6KKvB)
no way
Posted by: wine mom sittung on a throne of TP at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (G546f)
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PinkNews@PinkNews
Lady Gaga just got off the phone with the director of the World Health Organisation, and she's ready to fight coronavirus
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Well, I'm glad we're taking this shit seriously.
Lady Gaga just got off the phone with the director of the World Health Organisation, and she's ready to fight coronavirus
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Well, I'm glad we're taking this shit seriously.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (+y/Ru)
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Israel has begun testing a COVID-19 vaccine prototype on rodents at its bio-chemical defense laboratory, a source said on Tuesday.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR), in rural Nes Ziona, to join the fight against the coronavirus pandemic on Feb. 1, prompting an easing of its secrecy as it cooperates with civilian scientists and private firms.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR), in rural Nes Ziona, to join the fight against the coronavirus pandemic on Feb. 1, prompting an easing of its secrecy as it cooperates with civilian scientists and private firms.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (85Gof)
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1% of anyone who catches it.
The percentages are much higher for people who have to be hospitalized.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (PbpT7)
thank you, and that points out the math error in that estimation, as it is used for predictions.. Until we get to the point that we can test *everyone* in an area, without any regard to whether they are showing any symptoms, we have no idea how many people have been exposed and are (and will remain) asymptomatic. We also can never know how many people have been exposed, but who will never test positive and never show any symptoms.
If there are significant amounts of people in those two categories (they happen in all other diseases), then the % number is misleading, the way we're using it. As a percentage of those who show symptoms, it's valid, but we can't yet extrapolate from that to total death projections.
The percentages are much higher for people who have to be hospitalized.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (PbpT7)
thank you, and that points out the math error in that estimation, as it is used for predictions.. Until we get to the point that we can test *everyone* in an area, without any regard to whether they are showing any symptoms, we have no idea how many people have been exposed and are (and will remain) asymptomatic. We also can never know how many people have been exposed, but who will never test positive and never show any symptoms.
If there are significant amounts of people in those two categories (they happen in all other diseases), then the % number is misleading, the way we're using it. As a percentage of those who show symptoms, it's valid, but we can't yet extrapolate from that to total death projections.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (trdmm)
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#361 Not Groucho but a Victorian (into Edwardian??) actor. Don't feel like duckduckgoing his name.
Posted by: andycanuck at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (TQ/zJ)
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Slightly relevant: just returned from buying provisions at Fry's in Apache Junction. Less than 10% of the shoppers wearing masks, and none of the staff I encountered. Store is remaining open for the foreseeable future. No paper products, but got all the food items I wanted. Sugar was getting very scarce.
On the way back, I was stopped for a red light at Ironwood Road, and heard the screech of tires, and some guy in a Jeep had 'em all locked up, and stopped a yard short of my back bumper. I looked all around, and didn't see any titties; can't imagine what distracted him.
On the way back, I was stopped for a red light at Ironwood Road, and heard the screech of tires, and some guy in a Jeep had 'em all locked up, and stopped a yard short of my back bumper. I looked all around, and didn't see any titties; can't imagine what distracted him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (miJU3)
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04 >>Thankfully, MD has started to taper off in new cases, which means we can go back to normal sooner.
Not according to your governor.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (ZLI7S)
Yup. The State gov and media are on the same page with hyping the threat as much as possible. Cases were 247 Saturday, dropped to 174 Sunday, but went back to 274 Monday. But The Baltimore Sun described that as "an 18% increase over the previous day".
By the way, only 11% of people tested in MD have COVID-19... which makes me think it's not nearly as prevalent, at least serious cases, if 89% of people have regular flus and colds (only people wit doctors not can get a test).
Not according to your governor.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (ZLI7S)
Yup. The State gov and media are on the same page with hyping the threat as much as possible. Cases were 247 Saturday, dropped to 174 Sunday, but went back to 274 Monday. But The Baltimore Sun described that as "an 18% increase over the previous day".
By the way, only 11% of people tested in MD have COVID-19... which makes me think it's not nearly as prevalent, at least serious cases, if 89% of people have regular flus and colds (only people wit doctors not can get a test).
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (zqs/f)
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Masks are bullshit. Do they protect a small percentage of wearers from the virus? Maybe, but I used to work for a large company manufacturing these masks, the key method of filtration is extruded polypropylene that is electrostatically charged. This charge dissipates over time once the mask is put on and is not meant for repeated use. Of course, as soon as you touch the outside of it and then rub your eyes, the point of wearing a mask is meaningless. If you walk through a path where someone has sneezed, you're more likely to adsorb something through your eyes anyway.
Also once you touch the outside of the mask and then forget to wash your hands you just exposed yourself anyway. This is America. I refuse to wear a fucking mask. If you live in a fucking homeless tent city in San Francisco then sure, a mask is probably beneficial. Other than that, it's mostly a waste of time.
Also once you touch the outside of the mask and then forget to wash your hands you just exposed yourself anyway. This is America. I refuse to wear a fucking mask. If you live in a fucking homeless tent city in San Francisco then sure, a mask is probably beneficial. Other than that, it's mostly a waste of time.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (3ufaJ)
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346 We are wasting masks. We have a health care system which has not been able to adapt to a crisis.
Masks are STILL being changed between each patient even though every patient has the same disease. That is how they go through 300K in a week.
CDC set up guidelines and hospitals follow them. They require mask for each encounter with a patient, and doffing the PPE between patients.
That is madness.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (LWu6U)
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Not in the ER or at a testing station. The next patient(s) might be negative. 85-95% of the people getting tests are NOT Infected.
That is why simple things like handing you a swab, and having you shove it up your own nose are so important.
Everyone keeps their distance, and no PPE are needed.
Masks are STILL being changed between each patient even though every patient has the same disease. That is how they go through 300K in a week.
CDC set up guidelines and hospitals follow them. They require mask for each encounter with a patient, and doffing the PPE between patients.
That is madness.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (LWu6U)
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Not in the ER or at a testing station. The next patient(s) might be negative. 85-95% of the people getting tests are NOT Infected.
That is why simple things like handing you a swab, and having you shove it up your own nose are so important.
Everyone keeps their distance, and no PPE are needed.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (+0uDE)
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>>The flu has decades of data behind it which makes it easier to model. COVID is new, we're still figuring it out, and there's a lot of guesswork.
You know what else the flu has going against it? A vaccine.
Which vaccine should I use for Wuhan virus?
You know what else the flu has going against it? A vaccine.
Which vaccine should I use for Wuhan virus?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (ZLI7S)
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I was pleased to hear the Gov of Ohio Mention that we should no longer rely on foreign makers and bring back Medical Makers to the US, I feel a full ban or 100% tax on any Medical device or Medicine not made in the USA.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (dKiJG)
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I do t need an n95 mask. I have a shemagh. Works for me.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (8/E19)
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Seattle - put a flesh-cork in your fronthole. Tired of hearing you.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (II2Y0)
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I joked before but it would be really cool if we could train Chinese Flu Sniffing Dogs.
this seems actually very doable
I wonder if anyone is working on?
this seems actually very doable
I wonder if anyone is working on?
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (j9HX3)
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Good news: the feed store called to say that my older cat's special rabbit-based dry food has come in -- a LOT sooner than I expected. I can pick it up tomorrow. I also need to shoot by Home Depot to get some rubber or foam insulation strips to go around my door -- I don't want the precious cold air leaking out.
And tomorrow may be drier and less hot, so that sounds like a good morning.
And tomorrow may be drier and less hot, so that sounds like a good morning.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (rpbg1)
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
You pulled the death rate on closed cases and said that was the death rate overall.
You're smart.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (zZbCU)
The death rate overall is 100%.
Always has been ...
: -))
You pulled the death rate on closed cases and said that was the death rate overall.
You're smart.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:13 PM (zZbCU)
The death rate overall is 100%.
Always has been ...
: -))
Posted by: Adriane the Plague Doctor Uniform Critic ... at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (LPnfS)
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That doesn't mean you can go around frenching everyone in the sun, however.
That's why I recommend meth, to dry out the mouth after those drunken benders. And doing it from behind.
That's why I recommend meth, to dry out the mouth after those drunken benders. And doing it from behind.
Posted by: Andrew from FL at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (ykYG2)
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>>UV kills the static charge that they rely on. The plastic is charged to attract particles. Heat is OK, but takes time.
Well then : We're Out.
Well then : We're Out.
Posted by: ASIA at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (WhtJc)
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363 >>>But the data is so incomplete on COVID that it's effectively just those tested.
as a commenter pointed out, the actual numbers are something like 18% fatality rate -- because not enough people are being tested and shown to have it.
But discounting for that, it seems to be the fatality rate will be around 1% or a bit over 1%.
Posted by: ace
A, I know you are rumored to be in the general New-York-esque region, so from your vantage point (a la the famous New Yorker cover) everything might seem NY-centric, and thus the epidemic is spiralling out of control...but as revealed at this veyr good site which is reliably tracking all the stats day-by-day...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
...the crisis int he US is now entirely focused on New York, specifically on Brooklyn and Queens. As that link above show, over HALF of all current infections and over HALF of all currently daily deaths int he entire USA are now happening in New York, and (as other maps have shown) specifically those two boroughs.
But outside that very limited area, for most of the US the "curve" has already flattened and the slope is going down and the epidemic is petering out. Even here in California, which previous was a hotspot, our new infections and deaths are starting to dwindle, and are now 10% of what Brooklyn has. The same is true for most of the US, aside from a very few hotspots mostly in urban centers.
In other words:For 49 states, the epidemic is receding. That;s why most people are shrugging it of.
as a commenter pointed out, the actual numbers are something like 18% fatality rate -- because not enough people are being tested and shown to have it.
But discounting for that, it seems to be the fatality rate will be around 1% or a bit over 1%.
Posted by: ace
A, I know you are rumored to be in the general New-York-esque region, so from your vantage point (a la the famous New Yorker cover) everything might seem NY-centric, and thus the epidemic is spiralling out of control...but as revealed at this veyr good site which is reliably tracking all the stats day-by-day...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
...the crisis int he US is now entirely focused on New York, specifically on Brooklyn and Queens. As that link above show, over HALF of all current infections and over HALF of all currently daily deaths int he entire USA are now happening in New York, and (as other maps have shown) specifically those two boroughs.
But outside that very limited area, for most of the US the "curve" has already flattened and the slope is going down and the epidemic is petering out. Even here in California, which previous was a hotspot, our new infections and deaths are starting to dwindle, and are now 10% of what Brooklyn has. The same is true for most of the US, aside from a very few hotspots mostly in urban centers.
In other words:For 49 states, the epidemic is receding. That;s why most people are shrugging it of.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
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Well, TuCa has a point, they DO need to stop lying to us .. but meh, I think I am fully adapted to the current era of lying and gaslighting, which in this kind of case means that if I am told, no matter how "authoritatively", something that contradicts my factual knowledge, I ignore it, note that I have been lied to yet again, and go on doing what I'm gonna do.
I have been trained in the correct use of a wide range of PPE over the decades (I remember the creation of OSHA ferchrissakes!) and I knew that using a mask, properly fitted, was effective. End of story.
I only use N95 masks for the most trivial of hazards, by the way.
If I really don't want to breathe something, I go N100. The disposables are pricey, so mostly that means a modern silicone half mask with appropriate filters ... personally I prefer 3M because they seem to fit my face just slightly better. ymmv, it's like a pistol, try 'em until you find one that fits best.
/rant, thanks for your patience.
I have been trained in the correct use of a wide range of PPE over the decades (I remember the creation of OSHA ferchrissakes!) and I knew that using a mask, properly fitted, was effective. End of story.
I only use N95 masks for the most trivial of hazards, by the way.
If I really don't want to breathe something, I go N100. The disposables are pricey, so mostly that means a modern silicone half mask with appropriate filters ... personally I prefer 3M because they seem to fit my face just slightly better. ymmv, it's like a pistol, try 'em until you find one that fits best.
/rant, thanks for your patience.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (cqteU)
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Flu mortality is also based on confirmed cases, right?
the one time I knew I had the flu, I didn't get tested. A couple other times I maybe had it, also didn't get tested
the one time I knew I had the flu, I didn't get tested. A couple other times I maybe had it, also didn't get tested
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (G546f)
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In everyday life, masks probably work best/better to prevent you from transmitting to others rather than as personal protection. I mean, surgeons don't wear surgical masks when they're doing brain surgery because they're afraid they're going to catch a tumor from the patient.
That's the way Japanese people also tended to wear them (before this started at least). Say you had a cold/cough, but not bad enough to stay home, you wore a mask when you went out on the street/subway as courtesy to others.
But the WHO/CDC line that "Masks won't do anything to keep you from getting Wuhan'ed" was always clearly nonsense. Maybe it won't stop all possible routes of transmission or be a 100% effective, but you better believe they'd want to wear one if they had to tour a flu ward in Milan.
That's the way Japanese people also tended to wear them (before this started at least). Say you had a cold/cough, but not bad enough to stay home, you wore a mask when you went out on the street/subway as courtesy to others.
But the WHO/CDC line that "Masks won't do anything to keep you from getting Wuhan'ed" was always clearly nonsense. Maybe it won't stop all possible routes of transmission or be a 100% effective, but you better believe they'd want to wear one if they had to tour a flu ward in Milan.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (dYe5S)
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it of = it off
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
Posted by: pep at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (T6t7i)
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a) people who seek treatment?
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
1% of anyone who catches it.
The percentages are much higher for people who have to be hospitalized.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (PbpT7)
We don't know that... not really. We still don't have a firm grasp of how many people have it. Anecdotally, I know of several people in the nyc area with symptoms. Only one was actually tested, she tested positive and was told to stay home unless her symptoms got worse.
Two other friends were told that they won't get tested unless their symptoms get worse, and to basically just chill out at home and ride it out. (All of these people in their late 20's / early 30's.)
I *suspect* we will find that the death rate is actually lower then we think.
That being said, we don't have enough data to know one way or another, so we probably should err on the side of "it could be as high as 1-2%, and upwards of 100% of people could get infected" until we have a chance to do some widespread randomized testing.
b) people who are hospitalized?
c) people who are infected?
d) the general population?
1% of anyone who catches it.
The percentages are much higher for people who have to be hospitalized.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:17 PM (PbpT7)
We don't know that... not really. We still don't have a firm grasp of how many people have it. Anecdotally, I know of several people in the nyc area with symptoms. Only one was actually tested, she tested positive and was told to stay home unless her symptoms got worse.
Two other friends were told that they won't get tested unless their symptoms get worse, and to basically just chill out at home and ride it out. (All of these people in their late 20's / early 30's.)
I *suspect* we will find that the death rate is actually lower then we think.
That being said, we don't have enough data to know one way or another, so we probably should err on the side of "it could be as high as 1-2%, and upwards of 100% of people could get infected" until we have a chance to do some widespread randomized testing.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM (ZkXld)
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I'm beginning to regret having retired and handed in my MSA full-face respirator. Sure, it's not virus proof since it's not positive pressure like an SCBA setup. But it would repel the virus in a way you just can't get with an n95 mask.
By scaring the hell out of everyone and making them run away...
By scaring the hell out of everyone and making them run away...
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM (7s3Gx)
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Can I ask how you propose that businesses and individuals will live -- other than becoming armed scavengers -- with near-zero economic activity?
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (PbpT7)
Wait - so we are ANTI armed scavenging now?
I JUST got my colander facemask in from Amazon.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 03:58 PM (PbpT7)
Wait - so we are ANTI armed scavenging now?
I JUST got my colander facemask in from Amazon.
Posted by: blaster at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM (ZfRYq)
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All well and good, but in many places you can't get even a surgical mask now if you want one.
Posted by: Bigsmith at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (G/mW5)
This. If they would hand out masks, even the cheap-ass paper dust masks, that I might have a few of, I would cheerfully wear one while in the store. I am not going to deplete my stock, because I need them around here for actual dust.
Posted by: Bigsmith at March 31, 2020 03:45 PM (G/mW5)
This. If they would hand out masks, even the cheap-ass paper dust masks, that I might have a few of, I would cheerfully wear one while in the store. I am not going to deplete my stock, because I need them around here for actual dust.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM (miJU3)
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And again, "flu" is a word we use to describe certain upper or lower resiratory symptoms caused by lots of viruses
Yeah this kind of pisses me off. If you call it the flu colloquially, there's always some pissant pedant who purses their lips and exclaims that IT IS NOT THE FLU!!!!
No, its not influenza, but as a people we basically use flu and cold interchangeably, and the term is wider than is being insisted upon here. Normally I am very insistent upon clear and accurate language, but "flu" has been so broadly used for over a century now that it doesn't really have a particular exact meaning in common use.
Yeah this kind of pisses me off. If you call it the flu colloquially, there's always some pissant pedant who purses their lips and exclaims that IT IS NOT THE FLU!!!!
No, its not influenza, but as a people we basically use flu and cold interchangeably, and the term is wider than is being insisted upon here. Normally I am very insistent upon clear and accurate language, but "flu" has been so broadly used for over a century now that it doesn't really have a particular exact meaning in common use.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM (KZzsI)
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413 thank you, and that points out the math error in that estimation, as it is used for predictions.. Until we get to the point that we can test *everyone* in an area, without any regard to whether they are showing any symptoms, we have no idea how many people have been exposed and are (and will remain) asymptomatic. We also can never know how many people have been exposed, but who will never test positive and never show any symptoms.
If there are significant amounts of people in those two categories (they happen in all other diseases), then the % number is misleading, the way we're using it. As a percentage of those who show symptoms, it's valid, but we can't yet extrapolate from that to total death projections.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (trdmm)
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You don't have to test everyone. This is what statistics are for. You get a random sample and test them, then you get statistics based on levels of confidence.
If there are significant amounts of people in those two categories (they happen in all other diseases), then the % number is misleading, the way we're using it. As a percentage of those who show symptoms, it's valid, but we can't yet extrapolate from that to total death projections.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (trdmm)
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You don't have to test everyone. This is what statistics are for. You get a random sample and test them, then you get statistics based on levels of confidence.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM (zZbCU)
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I don't have any masks. If I tried to order them from Amazon it would probably take three weeks. I will socially distance myself from people as much as I can and have been washing my hands more frequently. That's about it. I would rather health workers have the masks.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (WI7YS)
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Make one. Cotton isn't terrible. Not wonderful, but not terrible. Plenty of patterns out there, and most folks have an old T-Shirt they don't mind using up. Two-layer. If you can throw a non-woven fabric layer in there, do so.
Government of India has published a pattern and walk-through to make a cotton facemask if you want or need to. It even uses imperial measurements.
https://tinyurl.com/s6yff7m
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 31, 2020 04:16 PM (WI7YS)
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Make one. Cotton isn't terrible. Not wonderful, but not terrible. Plenty of patterns out there, and most folks have an old T-Shirt they don't mind using up. Two-layer. If you can throw a non-woven fabric layer in there, do so.
Government of India has published a pattern and walk-through to make a cotton facemask if you want or need to. It even uses imperial measurements.
https://tinyurl.com/s6yff7m
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM (Q8c/L)
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203 I'm sorry, but Tucker is too hysterical for me right now...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (5bxa0)
He gets like that sometimes. The whole Loeffler/Burr 'insider trading' kerfuffle was similar. Notice that nobody - not a single person - went after Feinstein for doing the same thing. Tucker doesn't do our side well in those (few-ish) instances when he goes off the deep end unnecessarily like that.
Posted by: It's me donna at March 31, 2020 04:04 PM (5bxa0)
He gets like that sometimes. The whole Loeffler/Burr 'insider trading' kerfuffle was similar. Notice that nobody - not a single person - went after Feinstein for doing the same thing. Tucker doesn't do our side well in those (few-ish) instances when he goes off the deep end unnecessarily like that.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM (iuFgi)
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I completely agree with the idea that the danger of this flu was overstated -- and possibly for malicious political reasons, too.
But some of you seem to be arguing that there is NO danger, or barely any danger, from this disease.
One person actually said it's time to let the "old and infirm" just fucking die. Let God sort 'em out.
I understand that when you're talking about shutting down the economy, and plunging people into joblessness and poverty, then you certainly can start to talk about the price of saving each life.
But it that's a lot different than saying: "I don't care if this trivial, short-term measure of wearing a mask in public can reduce the death rate, I'm just not going to do it, because fuck the libs."
Is it possible to maybe pick something in the middle besides "1-2 million people will die" and "this is all made-up Fake News" and/or "I don't care how many people die, I don't want to be inconvenienced."
But some of you seem to be arguing that there is NO danger, or barely any danger, from this disease.
One person actually said it's time to let the "old and infirm" just fucking die. Let God sort 'em out.
I understand that when you're talking about shutting down the economy, and plunging people into joblessness and poverty, then you certainly can start to talk about the price of saving each life.
But it that's a lot different than saying: "I don't care if this trivial, short-term measure of wearing a mask in public can reduce the death rate, I'm just not going to do it, because fuck the libs."
Is it possible to maybe pick something in the middle besides "1-2 million people will die" and "this is all made-up Fake News" and/or "I don't care how many people die, I don't want to be inconvenienced."
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
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415
Slightly relevant: just returned from buying provisions at Fry's in
Apache Junction. Less than 10% of the shoppers wearing masks, and none
of the staff I encountered. Store is remaining open for the foreseeable
future. No paper products, but got all the food items I wanted. Sugar
was getting very scarce.
On the way back, I was stopped for a red light at Ironwood Road, and
heard the screech of tires, and some guy in a Jeep had 'em all locked
up, and stopped a yard short of my back bumper. I looked all around, and
didn't see any titties; can't imagine what distracted him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (miJU3)
Titties on his cell phone
Slightly relevant: just returned from buying provisions at Fry's in
Apache Junction. Less than 10% of the shoppers wearing masks, and none
of the staff I encountered. Store is remaining open for the foreseeable
future. No paper products, but got all the food items I wanted. Sugar
was getting very scarce.
On the way back, I was stopped for a red light at Ironwood Road, and
heard the screech of tires, and some guy in a Jeep had 'em all locked
up, and stopped a yard short of my back bumper. I looked all around, and
didn't see any titties; can't imagine what distracted him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (miJU3)
Titties on his cell phone
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (N39Ws)
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Israel has begun testing a COVID-19 vaccine prototype on rodents at its bio-chemical defense laboratory, a source said on Tuesday.
There no way this can go wrong.
There no way this can go wrong.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (9ls8w)
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Oh yeah, and stop touching your face.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy
Is it OK if I touch your face?
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020
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I'd like to touch Olivia Wilde's face. And as much of the rest of her as I could.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy
Is it OK if I touch your face?
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020
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I'd like to touch Olivia Wilde's face. And as much of the rest of her as I could.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (rpbg1)
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We are being awful gracious with these caused by Covid #'s in a population of victims predominantly over 60+ years of age.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (WhtJc)
This is sort of irrelevant. The 'death rate' of any disease is always affected by the demographics. If our population is more old people, all diseases are more deadly. There is no ideal death rate number you can refer to.
Anyway, check the death rate of seasonal flu on those populations and compare. That's the closest you can get to an apples-to-apples.
Italy is 8.15 per 100,000 or 0.8 percent. That is _BELOW_ the USA. However, that relies on this site's statistics being valid, your mileage may vary:
https://tinyurl.com/v64a4f8
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (WhtJc)
This is sort of irrelevant. The 'death rate' of any disease is always affected by the demographics. If our population is more old people, all diseases are more deadly. There is no ideal death rate number you can refer to.
Anyway, check the death rate of seasonal flu on those populations and compare. That's the closest you can get to an apples-to-apples.
Italy is 8.15 per 100,000 or 0.8 percent. That is _BELOW_ the USA. However, that relies on this site's statistics being valid, your mileage may vary:
https://tinyurl.com/v64a4f8
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (IB++I)
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On the way back, I was stopped for a red light at Ironwood Road, and
heard the screech of tires, and some guy in a Jeep had 'em all locked
up, and stopped a yard short of my back bumper. I looked all around, and
didn't see any titties; can't imagine what distracted him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (miJU3)
Titties on his cell phone
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (N39Ws)
His hands were at ten and six...
heard the screech of tires, and some guy in a Jeep had 'em all locked
up, and stopped a yard short of my back bumper. I looked all around, and
didn't see any titties; can't imagine what distracted him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:25 PM (miJU3)
Titties on his cell phone
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (N39Ws)
His hands were at ten and six...
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (NWiLs)
448
430 Flu mortality is also based on confirmed cases, right?
the one time I knew I had the flu, I didn't get tested. A couple other times I maybe had it, also didn't get tested
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (G546f)
As I understand it, flu mortality is based on estimates of how many people get it every year. Which is... not an ideal way to calculate morality rates.
Similar to you, I had the flu two years ago. Everyone in my office basically was sick, 2 people went to the doctor and got diagnosed and most of us just rode it out (it SUCKED, by the way, for anyone who hasnt had the flu.)
the one time I knew I had the flu, I didn't get tested. A couple other times I maybe had it, also didn't get tested
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (G546f)
As I understand it, flu mortality is based on estimates of how many people get it every year. Which is... not an ideal way to calculate morality rates.
Similar to you, I had the flu two years ago. Everyone in my office basically was sick, 2 people went to the doctor and got diagnosed and most of us just rode it out (it SUCKED, by the way, for anyone who hasnt had the flu.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (ZkXld)
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Make one. Cotton isn't terrible. Not wonderful, but not terrible.
Like a Houston Astros 2017 World Series!! t shirt?
I mean, if I had one.
Like a Houston Astros 2017 World Series!! t shirt?
I mean, if I had one.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (ykYG2)
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Geez, ordering online is become a pain in the ass. When you check out, if you don't do it quickly there's a good possibility it will be out of stock.
I am spending too much time trying to find items.
Tylenol is becoming the new toilet paper.
I am spending too much time trying to find items.
Tylenol is becoming the new toilet paper.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (wiXsO)
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Stay classy NBC. Bashing Franklin Graham instead of showing his charity in setting up the NYC field hospital.
https://tinyurl.com/tqsj3rq
https://tinyurl.com/tqsj3rq
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (C4hN7)
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Wear latex or nitrile gloves if you want. You can wash them, just like you eash your hands, except with the gloves on your hands.Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:18 PM (+0u)
Washing latex gloves opens the pores in the gloves and starts the break down of them. Health care professionals will actually change gloves in the middle of a procedure if they get wet with fluids and the procedure is of a length of time. Or they double glove for the above reason.
DO NOT DO THIS and expect the gloves to protect you from whatever.
Washing latex gloves opens the pores in the gloves and starts the break down of them. Health care professionals will actually change gloves in the middle of a procedure if they get wet with fluids and the procedure is of a length of time. Or they double glove for the above reason.
DO NOT DO THIS and expect the gloves to protect you from whatever.
Posted by: Jen the original at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (hhYtz)
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Do any of you mask experts know if the mask works exclusively by simply having holes to small or the virus to pass through, or is there a treatment of the filter so that the particles undergo sticky collisions whenever they encounter a filter surface, which seems like a very high probability event?
Posted by: pep at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (T6t7i)
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hey everyone
I just wanted to say you should not be surprised that the govt lied to us about wearing masks
the reason we're all here is we are critical thinkers. we're HERE because we know better than to trust the government. I'm not saying all govt is evil. but bureaucracies make decisions sometimes in ways that do not make sense.
we're here because we think different
and that's ok
just keep on keeping on
and hang in there, ace. I'm thinking of you. I know things are tough in NYC. it will be ok tho. if anyone is tough enough to kick COVID's butt, it's New Yorkers
I just wanted to say you should not be surprised that the govt lied to us about wearing masks
the reason we're all here is we are critical thinkers. we're HERE because we know better than to trust the government. I'm not saying all govt is evil. but bureaucracies make decisions sometimes in ways that do not make sense.
we're here because we think different
and that's ok
just keep on keeping on
and hang in there, ace. I'm thinking of you. I know things are tough in NYC. it will be ok tho. if anyone is tough enough to kick COVID's butt, it's New Yorkers
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (j9HX3)
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I could rig a couple cans of lysol spray into a backpack connected to some hoses that would have nozzles around the front to automatically spritz your face with disinfectant spray once every minute or so.
I should really take this idea on shark tank. What could possibly go wrong?
I should really take this idea on shark tank. What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: justasheep at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (L9Eia)
456
In epidemiology class, the first case we studied was that plague in London that was finally traced back to the well pumps.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
In epidemiology class, the first case we studied was that plague in London that was finally traced back to the well pumps.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (++3nO)
457
Never had a flu test.
Never had a flu shot.
Never going to a doctor again, unless I break something I can't set myself.
Never had a flu shot.
Never going to a doctor again, unless I break something I can't set myself.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (azg+y)
458
Where's Zod? We're all gonna die!
Posted by: It's me donna at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (5bxa0)
459
PinkNews@PinkNews
Lady Gaga just got off the phone with the director of the World Health Organisation, and she's ready to fight coronavirus
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Well, I'm glad we're taking this shit seriously.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (+y/Ru)
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She is gonna bitch slap that sucka!
PinkNews@PinkNews
Lady Gaga just got off the phone with the director of the World Health Organisation, and she's ready to fight coronavirus
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Well, I'm glad we're taking this shit seriously.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (+y/Ru)
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She is gonna bitch slap that sucka!
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (+0uDE)
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Is it possible to maybe pick something in the middle besides "1-2 million people will die" and "this is all made-up Fake News" and/or "I don't care how many people die, I don't want to be inconvenienced."
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
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My take: The media has turned a serious health issue, one that should have been approached in a rational manner, into a panic.
Once the panic started, it was the proverbial genie let out of the bottle and put the administration into reactive rather than proactive mode.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
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My take: The media has turned a serious health issue, one that should have been approached in a rational manner, into a panic.
Once the panic started, it was the proverbial genie let out of the bottle and put the administration into reactive rather than proactive mode.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (WEBkv)
461
That doesn't mean you can go around frenching everyone in the sun, however.
"Dammit"
--Frenchy McSuntan
"Dammit"
--Frenchy McSuntan
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
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A local nurse said she doesn't use the gloves when she goes to the grocery store, or a mask. She sanitizes her hands before leaving her car, and carries sanitizing wipes in her purse. When she returns to her car, she wipes the door handle and when she's home, wipes down her groceries and counter.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (ptqGC)
We have been told to use Paper bags rather than plastic, the virus doesn't live as long on paper rather than plastic. also place your bags on the floor rather than the counter, then empty your groceries.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 03:50 PM (ptqGC)
We have been told to use Paper bags rather than plastic, the virus doesn't live as long on paper rather than plastic. also place your bags on the floor rather than the counter, then empty your groceries.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (zr5Kq)
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I have a box of masks I purchased 10 years or so ago that supposedly kills ( inactivates) viruses that comes in contact with the mask. It's coated with a hydrophilic plastic that absorbs aerosol droplets away from the outer surface and first and second layers are treated with different compounds that inactivate the virus. I think some zinc and copper and citric acid are the active ingredients.
Made by Curad the bandaid people.
Made by Curad the bandaid people.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (2DOZq)
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400:
"no, no, no. The fatality rate just among confirmed cases is very high. The 1% number is a guess of what the actual fatality rate would be if you assume infection rates 10-20 times greater than the number of people confirmed to have it
What I'm trying to say is: We're already taking into account the "discount" you're looking for."
Based on CDC official numbers of confirmed cases and deaths the mortality rate has been between 1.6 and 1.9 percent (today's number), which is high. So I'm not following how 10 let alone 20 times the number of confirmed cases would be higher than .19, a scary enough number.
"no, no, no. The fatality rate just among confirmed cases is very high. The 1% number is a guess of what the actual fatality rate would be if you assume infection rates 10-20 times greater than the number of people confirmed to have it
What I'm trying to say is: We're already taking into account the "discount" you're looking for."
Based on CDC official numbers of confirmed cases and deaths the mortality rate has been between 1.6 and 1.9 percent (today's number), which is high. So I'm not following how 10 let alone 20 times the number of confirmed cases would be higher than .19, a scary enough number.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2020 04:31 PM (puu6v)
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The mortality rate of 2% is of those sick enough to engage the healthcare system, and be sick enough to get tested. If you are one of those who only get a scratchy throat that may also be allergies, then you don't count.
At the end of the day, the statisticians may come up with a case number in the millions, but for now, we are generally only counting the ones sick enough to warrant a test.
At the end of the day, the statisticians may come up with a case number in the millions, but for now, we are generally only counting the ones sick enough to warrant a test.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:31 PM (dNzKv)
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>>In other words:For 49 states, the epidemic is receding. That;s why most people are shrugging it of.
That's just not true. Louisiana is currently going off and will be a big hot spot. They just found 28 people in Austin, Texas who were part of a group of 90 that went to Mexico for Spring Break and brought it back with them. They are currently testing the other 62 and trying to track down all the people the 90 came in contact with after returning.
These kinds of things are continuing to happen around the country. It's not just in NY.
That's just not true. Louisiana is currently going off and will be a big hot spot. They just found 28 people in Austin, Texas who were part of a group of 90 that went to Mexico for Spring Break and brought it back with them. They are currently testing the other 62 and trying to track down all the people the 90 came in contact with after returning.
These kinds of things are continuing to happen around the country. It's not just in NY.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:31 PM (ZLI7S)
468
right now we are trying to flatten the curve ... to spread out the demand on care facilities for the (maybe) 20% that need care.
BUT if we find the HCQ cocktail is a 96% cure if used immediately after testing (maybe in a Zelenko protocol, only for over 60 and/or otherwise compromised) ... then we want to maybe steepen the curve to get the herd immunity much sooner.
We could give (in stages) give all the healthy people a small dose, minimal amount to build antibodies, and have them self isolate two weeks. Those that get advanced problems then get the cocktail. Other advanced cases never overwhelm the system, because the cocktail works in hours or a few days.
So why don't they give us day by day updates on how effective the HCQ cocktail really is? France has .. and it is marvelous.
HCQ and a few others I guess, are the only things attacking the virus itself ... (stopping it from replicating in the cell). We have old protocol for treating symptoms, but that makes for lots of suffering and long term damage. We need to cut it off at the knees ... not just flatten the curve and treat symptoms because that is the protocol we have.
BUT if we find the HCQ cocktail is a 96% cure if used immediately after testing (maybe in a Zelenko protocol, only for over 60 and/or otherwise compromised) ... then we want to maybe steepen the curve to get the herd immunity much sooner.
We could give (in stages) give all the healthy people a small dose, minimal amount to build antibodies, and have them self isolate two weeks. Those that get advanced problems then get the cocktail. Other advanced cases never overwhelm the system, because the cocktail works in hours or a few days.
So why don't they give us day by day updates on how effective the HCQ cocktail really is? France has .. and it is marvelous.
HCQ and a few others I guess, are the only things attacking the virus itself ... (stopping it from replicating in the cell). We have old protocol for treating symptoms, but that makes for lots of suffering and long term damage. We need to cut it off at the knees ... not just flatten the curve and treat symptoms because that is the protocol we have.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 31, 2020 04:31 PM (Cus5s)
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But it that's a lot different than saying: "I don't care if this trivial, short-term measure of wearing a mask in public can reduce the death rate, I'm just not going to do it, because fuck the libs."
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
loro sono molto macho
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
loro sono molto macho
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (G546f)
470
Anyone just want to get the Wuhan flu and get it over with? Like a kid making sure they get Chicken Pox before they're older?
I'm not in the camp that thinks it's just like any other flu, but as long as I didn't infect my family, I would almost rather take my lumps now and get it over with. Maybe even get lucky and be asymptomatic.
I'm not in the camp that thinks it's just like any other flu, but as long as I didn't infect my family, I would almost rather take my lumps now and get it over with. Maybe even get lucky and be asymptomatic.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (sjTfF)
471
3 cans of Lysol sold for $300.
Posted by: azalea city at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (WX+x0)
472
In other words:For 49 states, the epidemic is receding. That;s why most people are shrugging it of.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
Not really.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/
Try there.
Look at the PEAK for the US - that is April 14.
California? April 27.
Florida? May 3.
Virginia? May 28.
There are no states that have passed the peak yet.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
Not really.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/
Try there.
Look at the PEAK for the US - that is April 14.
California? April 27.
Florida? May 3.
Virginia? May 28.
There are no states that have passed the peak yet.
Posted by: blaster at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (ZfRYq)
473
well Didn't Fucker Carlson tell PDT what to do?
Posted by: WuHAN Solo at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (u76tJ)
474
456
In epidemiology class, the first case we studied was that plague in London that was finally traced back to the well pumps.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile
Cholera.
In epidemiology class, the first case we studied was that plague in London that was finally traced back to the well pumps.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile
Cholera.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (N9G0H)
475
I am not going to deplete my stock, because I need them around here for actual dust.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM
This. I gave BabyBro a few of mine before the shutdown. I generally use five a year. We have allergies to mold that can knock us down for a day or so after working in the yard.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:27 PM
This. I gave BabyBro a few of mine before the shutdown. I generally use five a year. We have allergies to mold that can knock us down for a day or so after working in the yard.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (/+bwe)
476
Interesting that no one wants to point out that "masks don't work" seems to be urged by the same people who are ready to stroke out because not enough people are dying.Same with "don't use the cure, it's bad medicine."
PS Gee--if masks don't help prevent the spread of germs, why do doctors wear them in the first place?
PS Gee--if masks don't help prevent the spread of germs, why do doctors wear them in the first place?
Posted by: artemis at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (AwPyG)
477
What is true is that this is deadlier than the flu. Of those who are sick enough to seek medical care, more require ICU care, and more die.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (dNzKv)
478
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But it that's a lot different than saying: "I don't care if this trivial, short-term measure of wearing a mask in public can reduce the death rate, I'm just not going to do it, because fuck the libs."
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Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
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It is. And not to channel Ben Shapiro, this isn't binary. There is a word of difference between "not totally effective" and "totally ineffective." If there are steps I can take - even if only partially effective - I will do so to get the world moving again. If the government were to come out and state, "We need to bend the curve. A great way to bend the curve is to wear a facemask. We're not saying it's foolproof, but it's decent. Wear a mask and get back to work," then I am on board. I'm probably on board anyway. I'm not gonna wear a mask at home, but when I go out? Sure.
If wearing masks and keeping my hands clean or wearing gloves is what it takes to "bend the curve" and get back to work, then I am more than happy to do so.
...
But it that's a lot different than saying: "I don't care if this trivial, short-term measure of wearing a mask in public can reduce the death rate, I'm just not going to do it, because fuck the libs."
...
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
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It is. And not to channel Ben Shapiro, this isn't binary. There is a word of difference between "not totally effective" and "totally ineffective." If there are steps I can take - even if only partially effective - I will do so to get the world moving again. If the government were to come out and state, "We need to bend the curve. A great way to bend the curve is to wear a facemask. We're not saying it's foolproof, but it's decent. Wear a mask and get back to work," then I am on board. I'm probably on board anyway. I'm not gonna wear a mask at home, but when I go out? Sure.
If wearing masks and keeping my hands clean or wearing gloves is what it takes to "bend the curve" and get back to work, then I am more than happy to do so.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (Q8c/L)
479
Everyone keeps their distance, and no PPE are needed.
Posted by: rd
But if Nurse swabs patient they have to change mask. Why? How is patent exposed by nurse's mask more than just walking in the place?
OK, I understand that a reception point is special case, but once inside the wards need to be segregated to prevent constant PPE changing.
Posted by: rd
But if Nurse swabs patient they have to change mask. Why? How is patent exposed by nurse's mask more than just walking in the place?
OK, I understand that a reception point is special case, but once inside the wards need to be segregated to prevent constant PPE changing.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (LWu6U)
480
I'm still waiting for my plague mask, long coat and top hat.
H. R. and their lackeys can suck it!
H. R. and their lackeys can suck it!
Posted by: Fritz at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (95j/9)
481
These kinds of things are continuing to happen around the country. It's not just in NY.
Truly. It's been slow in coming here but the infected count in Eddy County, NM is starting to take off.
Truly. It's been slow in coming here but the infected count in Eddy County, NM is starting to take off.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (7s3Gx)
482
463 Flu mortality is also based on confirmed cases, right?
Has to be.
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (zr5Kq)
Correct.
It seems like most arguments that COVID is overstated can also be applied to seasonal flus.
It also looks like my math was shady on the above link. 8.15/100,000 seems low? Anyone got a better grasp on how these statistics compare to the claimed numbers? It looks like the death rate is *by population* and not necessarily by confirmed cases.
Has to be.
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (zr5Kq)
Correct.
It seems like most arguments that COVID is overstated can also be applied to seasonal flus.
It also looks like my math was shady on the above link. 8.15/100,000 seems low? Anyone got a better grasp on how these statistics compare to the claimed numbers? It looks like the death rate is *by population* and not necessarily by confirmed cases.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (IB++I)
483
In epidemiology class, the first case we studied was that plague in London that was finally traced back to the well pumps.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (++3nO)
Cholera.
Indoor plumbing, sewers and chlorinated tap water has saved more lives than all the doctors in the world.
In epidemiology class, the first case we studied was that plague in London that was finally traced back to the well pumps.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (++3nO)
Cholera.
Indoor plumbing, sewers and chlorinated tap water has saved more lives than all the doctors in the world.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (+0uDE)
484
When I took NBC training in the army the instructor said "If the guy telling you it's "all clear" is wearing a gas mask, don't believe him."
Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (5fSr7)
485
Is it possible to maybe pick something in the middle besides "1-2 million people will die" and "this is all made-up Fake News" and/or "I don't care how many people die, I don't want to be inconvenienced."
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
That's a fair point, and I know that I certainly think this is a serious health care concern. I've had pneumonia in the past, and I certainly don't want to catch this one myself. In light of that, if wearing a mask is required to start going back to work, I think that would be a tiny price to pay.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2020 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
That's a fair point, and I know that I certainly think this is a serious health care concern. I've had pneumonia in the past, and I certainly don't want to catch this one myself. In light of that, if wearing a mask is required to start going back to work, I think that would be a tiny price to pay.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (trdmm)
486
@474 Jon Snow, Victoria's doctor, noticed that no one who was using a prison well for water was getting sick with cholera. Really remarkable, considering they didn't understand bacteria
Posted by: artemis at March 31, 2020 04:34 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:34 PM (zr5Kq)
488
In epidemiology class, the first case we studied was that plague in London that was finally traced back to the well pumps.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile
Cholera.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (N9G0H)
There was an episode of Ripper Street about that.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile
Cholera.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (N9G0H)
There was an episode of Ripper Street about that.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 31, 2020 04:35 PM (Uu+Jp)
489
She is gonna bitch slap that sucka!
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (+0uDE)
She can vacuum it up with her cooch.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (+0uDE)
She can vacuum it up with her cooch.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:35 PM (miJU3)
490
In other words:For 49 states, the epidemic is receding. That;s why most people are shrugging it of.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
Not receding, but rather than 25% daily increase, we are at about 10%. That ain't nothin.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
Not receding, but rather than 25% daily increase, we are at about 10%. That ain't nothin.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:35 PM (dNzKv)
491
476 Interesting that no one wants to point out that "masks don't work" seems to be urged by the same people who are ready to stroke out because not enough people are dying.Same with "don't use the cure, it's bad medicine."
PS Gee--if masks don't help prevent the spread of germs, why do doctors wear them in the first place?
Posted by: artemis at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (AwPyG)
Check my post above. Some weird ass studies supposedly showed that when ordinary people wear masks they are not effective at all but when "medical professionals" do, they are. Yet, those studies didn't check to see *if the people were really wearing the masks* -- which it seems only 1/5 of the study group did?
PS Gee--if masks don't help prevent the spread of germs, why do doctors wear them in the first place?
Posted by: artemis at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (AwPyG)
Check my post above. Some weird ass studies supposedly showed that when ordinary people wear masks they are not effective at all but when "medical professionals" do, they are. Yet, those studies didn't check to see *if the people were really wearing the masks* -- which it seems only 1/5 of the study group did?
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:35 PM (IB++I)
492
>>Where's Zod? We're all gonna die!
Making cheese, or perhaps working on that Sinema breeding project. . .
Making cheese, or perhaps working on that Sinema breeding project. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2020 04:35 PM (bDqIh)
493
Indoor plumbing, sewers and chlorinated tap water has saved more lives than all the doctors in the world.
Dude.
Dude.
Posted by: Edward Jenner at March 31, 2020 04:35 PM (ykYG2)
494
There's one big upside to the mask lies, a lot of normies are getting exposed to the reality that mainstream "expert advice" is almost never for their benefit. It's simply trying to keep the herd from rocking the boat.
Posted by: AaronInMVD at March 31, 2020 04:35 PM (GOsVE)
495
Boiled water !
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:35 PM (zr5Kq)
496
480
I'm still waiting for my plague mask, long coat and top hat.
H. R. and their lackeys can suck it!
Do you have your potpourri ready?
I'm still waiting for my plague mask, long coat and top hat.
H. R. and their lackeys can suck it!
Do you have your potpourri ready?
Posted by: pep at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (T6t7i)
497
Indoor plumbing, sewers and chlorinated tap water has saved more lives than all the doctors in the world.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (+0uDE)
+++++++++++++
There has been no greater gift to the longevity and health of man than modern sanitation. Running water, flush toilets and landfills are the ultimate lifesaving trifecta.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (+0uDE)
+++++++++++++
There has been no greater gift to the longevity and health of man than modern sanitation. Running water, flush toilets and landfills are the ultimate lifesaving trifecta.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (Q8c/L)
498
459
PinkNews@PinkNews
Lady Gaga just got off the phone with the director of the World Health Organisation, and she's ready to fight coronavirus
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Well, I'm glad we're taking this shit seriously.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (+y/Ru)
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She is gonna bitch slap that sucka!
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (+0uDE)
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She's gonna put on her p-p-p-poker face.
PinkNews@PinkNews
Lady Gaga just got off the phone with the director of the World Health Organisation, and she's ready to fight coronavirus
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Well, I'm glad we're taking this shit seriously.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (+y/Ru)
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She is gonna bitch slap that sucka!
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:30 PM (+0uDE)
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She's gonna put on her p-p-p-poker face.
Posted by: WisRich at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (OAlmw)
499
So now there's a pub called the "Jon Snow" near to where the pump used to be. Saved countless lives.
Posted by: artemis at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (AwPyG)
500
I did see a family in single file doing the "Ministry of Silly Walks" along the beach yesterday. dad, mom, three kids. it was so lovely.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (d7Ww2)
501
485:
" In light of that, if wearing a mask is required to start going back to work, I think that would be a tiny price to pay."
It would be a very low price. We need to be told the truth about the efficacy of masks to make informed decisions.
" In light of that, if wearing a mask is required to start going back to work, I think that would be a tiny price to pay."
It would be a very low price. We need to be told the truth about the efficacy of masks to make informed decisions.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (puu6v)
502
Cholera.
Indoor plumbing, sewers and chlorinated tap water has saved more lives than all the doctors in the world.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (+0uDE)
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the guy who wrote "The Skeptical Environmentalist" Lomborg, made the case, I believe, that all the money people want to spend on fighting "global warming" would be better spent supplying clean drinking water to those who do not have it.
Indoor plumbing, sewers and chlorinated tap water has saved more lives than all the doctors in the world.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (+0uDE)
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the guy who wrote "The Skeptical Environmentalist" Lomborg, made the case, I believe, that all the money people want to spend on fighting "global warming" would be better spent supplying clean drinking water to those who do not have it.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (WEBkv)
503
467 >>In other words:For 49 states, the epidemic is receding. That;s why most people are shrugging it of.
That's just not true. Louisiana is currently going off and will be a big hot spot. They just found 28 people in Austin, Texas who were part of a group of 90 that went to Mexico for Spring Break and brought it back with them. They are currently testing the other 62 and trying to track down all the people the 90 came in contact with after returning.
These kinds of things are continuing to happen around the country. It's not just in NY.
Posted by: JackStraw
Well, at the current moment, New York is only only "hot" hot spot. And a bit of Jersey. Yes, a handful of other states -- in particular, Louisiana, Michigan, Georgia and Texas, maybe a couple others have the potential to erupt into hotspots, but aren't really there (yet, or ever maybe).
Look at the numbers on that stats - -NY's numbers absolutely dwarf every other state by many orders of magnitude. Texas, the state you cite, had just 3% the number of deaths that NY had yesterday.
That's just not true. Louisiana is currently going off and will be a big hot spot. They just found 28 people in Austin, Texas who were part of a group of 90 that went to Mexico for Spring Break and brought it back with them. They are currently testing the other 62 and trying to track down all the people the 90 came in contact with after returning.
These kinds of things are continuing to happen around the country. It's not just in NY.
Posted by: JackStraw
Well, at the current moment, New York is only only "hot" hot spot. And a bit of Jersey. Yes, a handful of other states -- in particular, Louisiana, Michigan, Georgia and Texas, maybe a couple others have the potential to erupt into hotspots, but aren't really there (yet, or ever maybe).
Look at the numbers on that stats - -NY's numbers absolutely dwarf every other state by many orders of magnitude. Texas, the state you cite, had just 3% the number of deaths that NY had yesterday.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (N9G0H)
504
One person actually said it's time to let the "old and infirm" just fucking die. Let God sort 'em out.
I hope that person has flown off the handle so much that they're now banned.
I hope that person has flown off the handle so much that they're now banned.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (WI7YS)
505
Any of our fellow small business owning morons should get to the SBA website to use the new, improved, streamlined loan application.
They will advance $10,000 even if the loan is declined and then forgive the advance.
Also, it gives them your direct deposit info for the next round.
They will advance $10,000 even if the loan is declined and then forgive the advance.
Also, it gives them your direct deposit info for the next round.
Posted by: jwest at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (mrrpT)
506
Is it possible to maybe pick something in the middle besides "1-2 million people will die" and "this is all made-up Fake News" and/or "I don't care how many people die, I don't want to be inconvenienced."
If it helps, I'm somewhere between those two extremes. I don't think it's fake. I'm OK with being inconvenienced. I believe and hope far fewer than 1-2 million people will die.
If it helps, I'm somewhere between those two extremes. I don't think it's fake. I'm OK with being inconvenienced. I believe and hope far fewer than 1-2 million people will die.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (9t0Zz)
507
463 Flu mortality is also based on confirmed cases, right?
Posted by: runner
They count up the excess deaths, and then do surveys to see what percentage of population got the flu. This is estimate but pretty close.
It does not rely on people showing up at hospital.
They have not done any antibody studies to see how many people got the death hack yet.
Posted by: runner
They count up the excess deaths, and then do surveys to see what percentage of population got the flu. This is estimate but pretty close.
It does not rely on people showing up at hospital.
They have not done any antibody studies to see how many people got the death hack yet.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (LWu6U)
508
We are being awful gracious with these caused by Covid #'s in a population of victims predominantly over 60+ years of age.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (WhtJc)
Ignore all those other problems of the obese guy in the wheelchair with liver failure and atrial fibrillation, it was the corona that did him in, otherwise he'd have lived to 100!
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:23 PM (WhtJc)
Ignore all those other problems of the obese guy in the wheelchair with liver failure and atrial fibrillation, it was the corona that did him in, otherwise he'd have lived to 100!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (BiNEL)
509
497 Indoor plumbing, sewers and chlorinated tap water has saved more lives than all the doctors in the world.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (+0uDE)
+++++++++++++
There has been no greater gift to the longevity and health of man than modern sanitation. Running water, flush toilets and landfills are the ultimate lifesaving trifecta.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (Q8c/L)
Some even go so far as to say most of the supposed gains from vaccination can be attributed to better sanitation instead.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (+0uDE)
+++++++++++++
There has been no greater gift to the longevity and health of man than modern sanitation. Running water, flush toilets and landfills are the ultimate lifesaving trifecta.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (Q8c/L)
Some even go so far as to say most of the supposed gains from vaccination can be attributed to better sanitation instead.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (IB++I)
510
In epidemiology class, the first case we studied was that plague in London that was finally traced back to the well pumps.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (++3nO)
IIRC, cholera.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM (++3nO)
IIRC, cholera.
Posted by: RickZ at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (Y8PSl)
511
So now there's a pub called the "Jon Snow" near to where the pump used to be. Saved countless lives.
Posted by: artemis
Heh.
So now there's a pub called the "Jon Snow" near to where the pump used to be. Saved countless lives.
Posted by: artemis
Heh.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (++3nO)
512
Once the panic started, it was the proverbial genie let out of the bottle and put the administration into reactive rather than proactive mode.
Cratering the US economy is not simply "put the administration into reactive... mode"
FOUR TRILLION dollars in helicopter money. And that is only a few weeks in.
This will be fourteen digits of train robbery before this is recognized as the new normal.
Cratering the US economy is not simply "put the administration into reactive... mode"
FOUR TRILLION dollars in helicopter money. And that is only a few weeks in.
This will be fourteen digits of train robbery before this is recognized as the new normal.
Posted by: 🐧 at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (uYQjf)
513
Flu mortality is also based on confirmed cases, right?
When you hear "in 2017 20 million had the flu and 80,000 died" The 20 million figure is statistical. the 80,000 figure is death where flu was a contributor. COVID kills all by itself, and the cases are test confirmed positive.
When you hear "in 2017 20 million had the flu and 80,000 died" The 20 million figure is statistical. the 80,000 figure is death where flu was a contributor. COVID kills all by itself, and the cases are test confirmed positive.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (dNzKv)
514
This is not the place to argue math...
So, hypothetically, so guy dies of an until then unknown virus, the fatality rate would be 1/1 %, or 100%.
Or, in a population of 100,000 it would be 1 in 100,000
But if you say that ten other people have because a computer model said so, but you have no idea who they are, the rate would be 10%?
No, you are just making shit up, if one wanted to be derogatory. Let me polish that turd - well credentialed individuals estimate that the fatality rate is 10%.
Appeal to authority always works.
So, hypothetically, so guy dies of an until then unknown virus, the fatality rate would be 1/1 %, or 100%.
Or, in a population of 100,000 it would be 1 in 100,000
But if you say that ten other people have because a computer model said so, but you have no idea who they are, the rate would be 10%?
No, you are just making shit up, if one wanted to be derogatory. Let me polish that turd - well credentialed individuals estimate that the fatality rate is 10%.
Appeal to authority always works.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (1g7ch)
515
@493 I think Jenner (another Englishman, who noticed that the dairy maids never caught smallpox) is credited with saving more lives than anyone in history
Posted by: artemis at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (++3nO)
517
Cholera is really a sad disease, since the main trick for getting rid of it is figuring out that you can't let raw sewage get into your drinking water.
I remember that one of the big clues came when doctors tried to understand why working men who only drank beer, never water, seemed to all be immune to the disease.
I remember that one of the big clues came when doctors tried to understand why working men who only drank beer, never water, seemed to all be immune to the disease.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (trdmm)
518
...the crisis int he US is now entirely focused on New York, specifically on Brooklyn and Queens. As that link above show, over HALF of all current infections and over HALF of all currently daily deaths int he entire USA are now happening in New York, and (as other maps have shown) specifically those two boroughs.
But outside that very limited area, for most of the US the "curve" has already flattened and the slope is going down and the epidemic is petering out. Even here in California, which previous was a hotspot, our new infections and deaths are starting to dwindle, and are now 10% of what Brooklyn has. The same is true for most of the US, aside from a very few hotspots mostly in urban centers.
In other words:For 49 states, the epidemic is receding. That;s why most people are shrugging it of.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
Ok. So i'm going with ' a plague visited on those who would terminate life of the innocent via abortion '.
As a commenter from NY said about NY (paraphrased) I don't give two pinches of owl shit what happens to New Yorkers and I live here!".
But outside that very limited area, for most of the US the "curve" has already flattened and the slope is going down and the epidemic is petering out. Even here in California, which previous was a hotspot, our new infections and deaths are starting to dwindle, and are now 10% of what Brooklyn has. The same is true for most of the US, aside from a very few hotspots mostly in urban centers.
In other words:For 49 states, the epidemic is receding. That;s why most people are shrugging it of.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
Ok. So i'm going with ' a plague visited on those who would terminate life of the innocent via abortion '.
As a commenter from NY said about NY (paraphrased) I don't give two pinches of owl shit what happens to New Yorkers and I live here!".
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (Vy7tf)
519
I mean if you're willing to take any precaution to reduce your risk a tiny fraction, then I guess the black lady from Memphis we were all laughing at a couple weeks ago who had wrapped herself completely in garbage bags had the right idea. I mean it was better than nothing right?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (3ufaJ)
520
That Jon Snow, going on about cholera. Nobody in my neighborhood has cholera.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (dNzKv)
521
You know what else the flu has going against it? A vaccine.
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Unless the 'experts' guess wrong about the strain they pick for the vaccine, and then we just weather it.
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Unless the 'experts' guess wrong about the strain they pick for the vaccine, and then we just weather it.
Posted by: Methos at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (kOpft)
522
Look at the numbers on that stats - -NY's numbers absolutely dwarf every other state by many orders of magnitude. Texas, the state you cite, had just 3% the number of deaths that NY had yesterday.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (N9G0H)
New York has less than half of the cases.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (N9G0H)
New York has less than half of the cases.
Posted by: blaster at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (ZfRYq)
523
the guy who wrote "The Skeptical Environmentalist" Lomborg, made the case, I believe, that all the money people want to spend on fighting "global warming" would be better spent supplying clean drinking water to those who do not have it.
Posted by: blake
_______________
Environmentalists want people to die in mass numbers, and I'm not using hyperbole.
Posted by: blake
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Environmentalists want people to die in mass numbers, and I'm not using hyperbole.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (sjTfF)
Posted by: SMH at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (RU4sa)
525
Also, it gives them your direct deposit info for the next round.
Posted by: jwest at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (mrrpT)
What could go wrong with having these slimy bastards having even more of your banking information?
Posted by: jwest at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (mrrpT)
What could go wrong with having these slimy bastards having even more of your banking information?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (BiNEL)
526
>>Anyone just want to get the Wuhan flu and get it over with?
No better time to get sick, really.
At home.
Nothing to do...
No better time to get sick, really.
At home.
Nothing to do...
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (oSGFR)
527
@ 474 Jon Snow, Victoria's doctor, noticed that no one who was using a prison well for water was getting sick with cholera. Really remarkable, considering they didn't understand bacteria
So he did, in fact, know something.
So he did, in fact, know something.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (9ls8w)
528
501 485:
" In light of that, if wearing a mask is required to start going back to work, I think that would be a tiny price to pay."
It would be a very low price. We need to be told the truth about the efficacy of masks to make informed decisions.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (puu6v)
we don't have the manufacture ability to make Masks right now for everybody, and you see the Dems asking for money for the Poor so they can buy them.
" In light of that, if wearing a mask is required to start going back to work, I think that would be a tiny price to pay."
It would be a very low price. We need to be told the truth about the efficacy of masks to make informed decisions.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2020 04:36 PM (puu6v)
we don't have the manufacture ability to make Masks right now for everybody, and you see the Dems asking for money for the Poor so they can buy them.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (dKiJG)
529
Wait - so we are ANTI armed scavenging now?
I JUST got my colander facemask in from Amazon.
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Posted by: Lace Whigs Online Sales ... at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (LPnfS)
530
OT...
So, I'm home early from work watching Sponge Bob, and all of sudden Nickelodeon runs a spot promoting "National Transgender Day"...aimed at children. Maybe we shouldn't survive Wu-Flu.
So, I'm home early from work watching Sponge Bob, and all of sudden Nickelodeon runs a spot promoting "National Transgender Day"...aimed at children. Maybe we shouldn't survive Wu-Flu.
Posted by: PacosMojo at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (ivZ+f)
531
Annual flu mortality rates are based on reported deaths and *estimated* total cases. The total cases are estimated by models using partial data from healthcare system reports (doctor office visits
per Medicare, hospitalizations, etc.).
per Medicare, hospitalizations, etc.).
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (dYe5S)
532
Environmentalists want people to die in mass numbers, and I'm not using hyperbole.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (sjTfF)
was gonna say the same
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (sjTfF)
was gonna say the same
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (G546f)
533
Thoughts and prayers, Barack. Inshallah.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (ptqGC)
I prefer Deus Vult, but I like the sentiment.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:11 PM (ptqGC)
I prefer Deus Vult, but I like the sentiment.
Posted by: trev006 at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (0HpOW)
534
Not really.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/
Try there.
Look at the PEAK for the US - that is April 14.
California? April 27.
Florida? May 3.
Virginia? May 28.
There are no states that have passed the peak yet.
Posted by: blaster at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (ZfRYq)
Ummm... not sure if that site should be trusted. Just last night it was projecting 1,100 deaths for Maryland. But now it's projecting 1,700!! Why? Probably because deaths jumped from 15 to 19 overnight. It looks to be using very basic math projections that can swing wildly with day to day noise.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/
Try there.
Look at the PEAK for the US - that is April 14.
California? April 27.
Florida? May 3.
Virginia? May 28.
There are no states that have passed the peak yet.
Posted by: blaster at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (ZfRYq)
Ummm... not sure if that site should be trusted. Just last night it was projecting 1,100 deaths for Maryland. But now it's projecting 1,700!! Why? Probably because deaths jumped from 15 to 19 overnight. It looks to be using very basic math projections that can swing wildly with day to day noise.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (zqs/f)
535
490 In other words:For 49 states, the epidemic is receding. That;s why most people are shrugging it of.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
Not receding, but rather than 25% daily increase, we are at about 10%. That ain't nothin.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
On the logarithmic charts that everyone is referring to when they say "flatten the curve," a 10% daily increase does count as the curve having been flattened.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:26 PM (N9G0H)
Not receding, but rather than 25% daily increase, we are at about 10%. That ain't nothin.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
On the logarithmic charts that everyone is referring to when they say "flatten the curve," a 10% daily increase does count as the curve having been flattened.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (N9G0H)
536
I've been watching reruns of Moonshiners. I'm pretty sure I can make a still and get the ingredients I need to make a new living. Plus hand sanitizers! Win.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (8/E19)
537
Posted by: blaster at March 31, 2020 04:32 PM (ZfRYq)
Thank you.
Minnesota looks to be in good shape.
April 18 peak. Needs 712 ICU Beds. We have exactly 1/2 at 355 beds.
Here is the site again,
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Thank you.
Minnesota looks to be in good shape.
April 18 peak. Needs 712 ICU Beds. We have exactly 1/2 at 355 beds.
Here is the site again,
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (+0uDE)
538
What could go wrong with having these slimy bastards having even more of your banking information?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (BiNEL)
As long as the flow of money is from them to me.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (BiNEL)
As long as the flow of money is from them to me.
Posted by: jwest at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (mrrpT)
539
*Waves back to SMH*
I'm getting by, but this whole scenario is more than a bit depressing. How are you doing?
I'm getting by, but this whole scenario is more than a bit depressing. How are you doing?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (BiNEL)
540
I've never had a flu shot, nor have I ever had the flu. Ever.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (o2MD2)
Posted by: Lace Whigs Online Sales ... at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (LPnfS)
542
it would be useful to see the curve with the hot spots removed ... and consider what parade type known spread events happened in those hot zones. Now that everyone else is on a "war footing", we might find we could relax the isolation and get back to work in most of America, with certain guidelines still in place.
There should not be one rule for the whole country ... not even for whole states. But they seem to be telling us it won't stop until enough have been exposed to develop herd immunity.
They want to flatten that curve ... we need more data. There are other curves at play ... the suicide curve from failed business and other stress, the loss of sovereign rights curve, the small business destruction curve ... probably a dozen more.
There should not be one rule for the whole country ... not even for whole states. But they seem to be telling us it won't stop until enough have been exposed to develop herd immunity.
They want to flatten that curve ... we need more data. There are other curves at play ... the suicide curve from failed business and other stress, the loss of sovereign rights curve, the small business destruction curve ... probably a dozen more.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (Cus5s)
543
What is true is that this is deadlier than the flu. Of those who are sick enough to seek medical care, more require ICU care, and more die.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (dNzKv)
What is the percentage of deaths where there were other significant underlying conditions? With the H1N1, it effected the young and healthy more than those over 65.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:33 PM (dNzKv)
What is the percentage of deaths where there were other significant underlying conditions? With the H1N1, it effected the young and healthy more than those over 65.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (2DOZq)
544
" In light of that, if wearing a mask is required to start going back to work, I think that would be a tiny price to pay."
hmm....Let's look at hospitals. how many times a day do they change masks, gloves ? exactly. no. sending all back may not work and may spread it a bit more and further. we need a to find a successful treatment.
hmm....Let's look at hospitals. how many times a day do they change masks, gloves ? exactly. no. sending all back may not work and may spread it a bit more and further. we need a to find a successful treatment.
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (zr5Kq)
545
In England in the olden days, everyone was a Sherlock Holmes.
In England in the olden days, everyone was a Sherlock Holmes.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (++3nO)
546
Texas, the state you cite, had just 3% the number of deaths that NY had yesterday.
Posted by: zombie
Death is a lagging metric. The cases come into view first. Then it's the ICU and the morgue.
So if TX has the same cases as NY but fewer deaths, given when those cases started rolling in ... wait a week.
Posted by: zombie
Death is a lagging metric. The cases come into view first. Then it's the ICU and the morgue.
So if TX has the same cases as NY but fewer deaths, given when those cases started rolling in ... wait a week.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (ykYG2)
Posted by: Gariel Garcia Marquez at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (oSGFR)
548
503:
"Well, at the current moment, New York is only only "hot" hot spot. And a bit of Jersey. Yes, a handful of other states -- in particular, Louisiana, Michigan, Georgia and Texas, maybe a couple others have the potential to erupt into hotspots, but aren't really there (yet, or ever maybe).
Look at the numbers on that stats - -NY's numbers absolutely dwarf every other state by many orders of magnitude. Texas, the state you cite, had just 3% the number of deaths that NY had yesterday."
As to the "current moment" thing, we've never gotten a straight answer about heat and humidity's effect on this coronavirus. That disinformation/lack of information is as important as the issue about masks. A peak would assume the summer has no effect and we don't have a straight answer there.
"Well, at the current moment, New York is only only "hot" hot spot. And a bit of Jersey. Yes, a handful of other states -- in particular, Louisiana, Michigan, Georgia and Texas, maybe a couple others have the potential to erupt into hotspots, but aren't really there (yet, or ever maybe).
Look at the numbers on that stats - -NY's numbers absolutely dwarf every other state by many orders of magnitude. Texas, the state you cite, had just 3% the number of deaths that NY had yesterday."
As to the "current moment" thing, we've never gotten a straight answer about heat and humidity's effect on this coronavirus. That disinformation/lack of information is as important as the issue about masks. A peak would assume the summer has no effect and we don't have a straight answer there.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (puu6v)
549
As long as the flow of money is from them to me.
Posted by: jwest at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (mrrpT)
Trust us comrade!
Posted by: jwest at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (mrrpT)
Trust us comrade!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (BiNEL)
550
527 @ 474 Jon Snow, Victoria's doctor, noticed that no one who was using a prison well for water was getting sick with cholera. Really remarkable, considering they didn't understand bacteria
So he did, in fact, know something.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (9ls8w)
You don't need microbiology to notice that water is making someone sick. Otherwise, we'd never have discovered microbiology.
So he did, in fact, know something.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (9ls8w)
You don't need microbiology to notice that water is making someone sick. Otherwise, we'd never have discovered microbiology.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (IB++I)
551
the guy who wrote "The Skeptical Environmentalist" Lomborg, made the case, I believe, that all the money people want to spend on fighting "global warming" would be better spent supplying clean drinking water to those who do not have it.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (WEBkv)
But that would just cause overpopulation.
- Erlich
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (WEBkv)
But that would just cause overpopulation.
- Erlich
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:42 PM (N9G0H)
553
we don't have the manufacture ability to make Masks right now for everybody, and you see the Dems asking for money for the Poor so they can buy them.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (dKiJG)
India released a pdf on how to majeany number of low tech masks, how to sterilize them ("boil for 15 min, adding salt helps")
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (dKiJG)
India released a pdf on how to majeany number of low tech masks, how to sterilize them ("boil for 15 min, adding salt helps")
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:42 PM (G546f)
554
Babylon on reopening schools so indoctrination can continue
https://babylonbee.com/news/teachers-warn-parents-arent-properly-equipped-to-indoctrinate-children
https://babylonbee.com/news/teachers-warn-parents-arent-properly-equipped-to-indoctrinate-children
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 31, 2020 04:42 PM (Uu+Jp)
555
Unless the 'experts' guess wrong about the strain they pick for the vaccine, and then we just weather it.
Posted by: Methos at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (kOpft)
And there always seems to be more than one strain.
Posted by: Methos at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (kOpft)
And there always seems to be more than one strain.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2020 04:42 PM (miJU3)
556
487
Anyone just want to get the Wuhan flu and get it over with?
Russian roulette.
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:34 PM (zr5Kq)
Twenty, twenty, twenty fours hours to go . . . to get inoculated.
Anyone just want to get the Wuhan flu and get it over with?
Russian roulette.
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:34 PM (zr5Kq)
Twenty, twenty, twenty fours hours to go . . . to get inoculated.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 31, 2020 04:42 PM (KnJdm)
557
So he did, in fact, know something.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (9ls8w)
** volleyball clap **
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (9ls8w)
** volleyball clap **
Posted by: Adriane the Sport Critic ... at March 31, 2020 04:42 PM (LPnfS)
558
>>Look at the numbers on that stats - -NY's numbers absolutely dwarf every other state by many orders of magnitude. Texas, the state you cite, had just 3% the number of deaths that NY had yesterday.
Absolutely. I don't think anyone is arguing that NY doesn't have the lion's share of the cases today.
But it is not true that other states won't see a lot more case or that we are at anywhere close to the projected peak of this outbreak which will hit different states at different times.
I keep hearing that Washington has relatively few cases now. That's true. Its also true that they are projected to hit their peak in a couple weeks and they are currently turning an event center into a hospital to handle the surge just as they did with the Javits Center, the tents and the Navy hospital ship.
The virus doesn't give a shit about state lines. It will spread. If we do nothing we get a result like Italy. If we take strong steps to mitigate we will keep the rates of infection and death much lower.
And then we can have people say "See, it wasn't that big a deal after all and we didn't need to do anything!"
Because that makes total sense.
Absolutely. I don't think anyone is arguing that NY doesn't have the lion's share of the cases today.
But it is not true that other states won't see a lot more case or that we are at anywhere close to the projected peak of this outbreak which will hit different states at different times.
I keep hearing that Washington has relatively few cases now. That's true. Its also true that they are projected to hit their peak in a couple weeks and they are currently turning an event center into a hospital to handle the surge just as they did with the Javits Center, the tents and the Navy hospital ship.
The virus doesn't give a shit about state lines. It will spread. If we do nothing we get a result like Italy. If we take strong steps to mitigate we will keep the rates of infection and death much lower.
And then we can have people say "See, it wasn't that big a deal after all and we didn't need to do anything!"
Because that makes total sense.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:42 PM (ZLI7S)
559
Holy shit. The time to find out most people can't do math and statistics is not during a crisis.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:42 PM (8/E19)
560
That would be Babylon Bee
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (Uu+Jp)
561
From the Seattle Times:
Hospitalizations for patients with symptoms of COVID-19-like illnesses in Washington declined last week by more than 20%, a hopeful sign for the region and a nation gripped by the coronavirus pandemic.
The state Department of Health (DOH) survey, covering the seven-day period that ended Saturday, tallied 193 admissions of patients with symptoms of fever, cough and shortness of breath, down from 251 the previous week. This also marks the end of a monthlong rise in these admissions, which dates back to the last week in February, when only 61 hospitalizations of COVID-19-like illness were counted in Washington state.
Hospitalizations for patients with symptoms of COVID-19-like illnesses in Washington declined last week by more than 20%, a hopeful sign for the region and a nation gripped by the coronavirus pandemic.
The state Department of Health (DOH) survey, covering the seven-day period that ended Saturday, tallied 193 admissions of patients with symptoms of fever, cough and shortness of breath, down from 251 the previous week. This also marks the end of a monthlong rise in these admissions, which dates back to the last week in February, when only 61 hospitalizations of COVID-19-like illness were counted in Washington state.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (d7Ww2)
562
so you got the sba loan, jwest? that's good!
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (G546f)
563
I posted this yesterday. The Israelis have developed a brilliant reusable mask:
https://tinyurl.com/tlr8tln
https://tinyurl.com/tlr8tln
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (ptqGC)
564
Flu mortality is also based on confirmed cases, right?
Posted by: runner
They count up the excess deaths, and then do surveys to see what percentage of population got the flu. This is estimate but pretty close.
It does not rely on people showing up at hospital.
They have not done any antibody studies to see how many people got the death hack yet.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (LWu6U)
I was not the one who asked the question. It was vmom.
Posted by: runner
They count up the excess deaths, and then do surveys to see what percentage of population got the flu. This is estimate but pretty close.
It does not rely on people showing up at hospital.
They have not done any antibody studies to see how many people got the death hack yet.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (LWu6U)
I was not the one who asked the question. It was vmom.
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (zr5Kq)
565
Here it is, not quite three, and I've had a rum and coke. Shameful I suppose.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (Uu+Jp)
566
, the small business destruction curve ... probably a dozen more.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (Cus5s)
Is a flat line a curve? Asking because my business of 30 years is pretty much flat lined and I don't see any way to resuscitate it.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (Cus5s)
Is a flat line a curve? Asking because my business of 30 years is pretty much flat lined and I don't see any way to resuscitate it.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (1dJNh)
567
You don't need microbiology to notice that water is making someone sick. Otherwise, we'd never have discovered microbiology.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (IB++I)
Peace. It's a Game of Thrones joke ...
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (IB++I)
Peace. It's a Game of Thrones joke ...
Posted by: Adriane the Season 8 Critic ... at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (LPnfS)
568
Can anyone tell me how to stretch out the outside muscle on the upper thigh? I have spots that are knotted up and it's really crippling me.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 31, 2020 04:44 PM (Lqy/e)
569
I think I'll sit it out until most people throwing around math start showing their work.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (8/E19)
570
The flu has decades of data behind it which makes it easier to model. COVID is new, we're still figuring it out, and there's a lot of guesswork.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (zZbCU)
So we've shut down the nation and the economy on guesswork.
The flu has decades of data behind it which makes it easier to model. COVID is new, we're still figuring it out, and there's a lot of guesswork.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (zZbCU)
So we've shut down the nation and the economy on guesswork.
Posted by: Sooner at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (JGreO)
571
There are a non-insignificant number of 30-40 year olds who are dying.
Overall, there are fewer deaths. I reality, COVID is saving lives.
Overall, there are fewer deaths. I reality, COVID is saving lives.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (dNzKv)
572
Anyone just want to get the Wuhan flu and get it over with? Like a kid making sure they get Chicken Pox before they're older?
What happens when Covid-20 comes out this fall and is totally different than Covid-19?
We shutting this bitch down again for three months?
What happens when Covid-20 comes out this fall and is totally different than Covid-19?
We shutting this bitch down again for three months?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (W2taJ)
573
I've been watching reruns of Moonshiners. I'm pretty sure I can make a still and get the ingredients I need to make a new living. Plus hand sanitizers! Win.
As long as you're only making personal consumption levels and not trying to sell, I don't see how they can catch you. If we get to the point where law enforcement can't effectively do their jobs, then you have free reign to sell, but might have troubles getting the ingredients.
Also, you don't need to rely on Moonshiners for your knowledge. There are plenty of youtube videos that will walk you through every step.
As long as you're only making personal consumption levels and not trying to sell, I don't see how they can catch you. If we get to the point where law enforcement can't effectively do their jobs, then you have free reign to sell, but might have troubles getting the ingredients.
Also, you don't need to rely on Moonshiners for your knowledge. There are plenty of youtube videos that will walk you through every step.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (9t0Zz)
574
I'm getting by, but this whole scenario is more than a bit depressing. How are you doing?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (BiNEL)
---
I'm doing fine, actually.
Currently playing fetch with the kitteh.
Avoiding the news helps a lot.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:40 PM (BiNEL)
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I'm doing fine, actually.
Currently playing fetch with the kitteh.
Avoiding the news helps a lot.
Posted by: SMH at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (RU4sa)
575
>>>284 I will post it again. Interview with the head of
infectious diseases in South Korea. He explains that masks do work and
why.
The doctor being interviewed also says that the interviewer is protected from eye transmission because he's wearing eyeglasses.
I'm sure his meaning is that droplets sneezed out by someone cannot penetrate the glasses, and thus transmission potential is reduced but...
infectious diseases in South Korea. He explains that masks do work and
why.
The doctor being interviewed also says that the interviewer is protected from eye transmission because he's wearing eyeglasses.
I'm sure his meaning is that droplets sneezed out by someone cannot penetrate the glasses, and thus transmission potential is reduced but...
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (0jZvB)
576
570
The flu has decades of data behind it which makes it easier to model. COVID is new, we're still figuring it out, and there's a lot of guesswork.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (zZbCU)
So we've shut down the nation and the economy on guesswork.
Posted by: Sooner at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (JGreO)
==========
It's like when coastal states empty at the first sign of a hurricane.
The flu has decades of data behind it which makes it easier to model. COVID is new, we're still figuring it out, and there's a lot of guesswork.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:24 PM (zZbCU)
So we've shut down the nation and the economy on guesswork.
Posted by: Sooner at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (JGreO)
==========
It's like when coastal states empty at the first sign of a hurricane.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (zZbCU)
577
FOUR TRILLION dollars in helicopter money. And that is only a few weeks in.
This will be fourteen digits of train robbery before this is recognized as the new normal.
Posted by: at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (uYQjf)
I knew that people would be getting upset about this, which is why a couple weeks ago I went ahead and aggravated some by trying to explain what a devastating economic impact this is going to have, 2 - 3 times WORSE than the Great Depression. And we are *not* going to bounce back very quickly, that's just wishful thinking.
Economically, this is an Extinction Level Event. Treasury Sec. Mnuchin thinks we buy ourselves about 8 weeks of survival for every $2 Trillion, I think it's less than that, we need about $2 Trillion per month to keep going once we hit 50% unemployment. That's why we all say this shutdown cannot go on - but since it IS going on, we have no choice but to create money like it literally has never been created before. It's not a good solution, it is admittedly a BAD solution - but our only other choice is the Death of our Economy, the Collapse of our Society, and almost certainly the breakup and end of this Country. We don't do this, We Lose Everything. That's how it is, plain and simple.
will there be long term problems? Oh hell yes! But you don't worry about the problems you might have 5 years from now when you're scheduled to be executed tomorrow.
This will be fourteen digits of train robbery before this is recognized as the new normal.
Posted by: at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (uYQjf)
I knew that people would be getting upset about this, which is why a couple weeks ago I went ahead and aggravated some by trying to explain what a devastating economic impact this is going to have, 2 - 3 times WORSE than the Great Depression. And we are *not* going to bounce back very quickly, that's just wishful thinking.
Economically, this is an Extinction Level Event. Treasury Sec. Mnuchin thinks we buy ourselves about 8 weeks of survival for every $2 Trillion, I think it's less than that, we need about $2 Trillion per month to keep going once we hit 50% unemployment. That's why we all say this shutdown cannot go on - but since it IS going on, we have no choice but to create money like it literally has never been created before. It's not a good solution, it is admittedly a BAD solution - but our only other choice is the Death of our Economy, the Collapse of our Society, and almost certainly the breakup and end of this Country. We don't do this, We Lose Everything. That's how it is, plain and simple.
will there be long term problems? Oh hell yes! But you don't worry about the problems you might have 5 years from now when you're scheduled to be executed tomorrow.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (trdmm)
578
Can anyone tell me how to stretch out the outside muscle on the upper thigh?
Warm, wet towel. Massage. Repeat.
Gentle stretching.
Can anyone tell me how to stretch out the outside muscle on the upper thigh?
Warm, wet towel. Massage. Repeat.
Gentle stretching.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (++3nO)
579
I am at a loss as to why everybody is shitting on the MY PILLOW guy? FFS he's switching from making pillows and sheets to making masks. BarStool Sports and that Jackass Samantha Bee.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (dKiJG)
580
Trust us comrade!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (BiNEL)
We put in three applications today for the advances. Also, I applied for a 1.2 million SBA loan for one of the businesses and another $800,000 for another.
A grant just came through for $5000 for the restaurant from a local CEO who put up a million for small business. We have two billionaires in town who are working on other programs.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 31, 2020 04:41 PM (BiNEL)
We put in three applications today for the advances. Also, I applied for a 1.2 million SBA loan for one of the businesses and another $800,000 for another.
A grant just came through for $5000 for the restaurant from a local CEO who put up a million for small business. We have two billionaires in town who are working on other programs.
Posted by: jwest at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (mrrpT)
581
If you think about it the old plague doctor masks did help a bit with social distancing.
Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (XEC2p)
582
Is it possible to maybe pick something in the middle besides "1-2
million people will die" and "this is all made-up Fake News" and/or "I
don't care how many people die, I don't want to be inconvenienced."
---
Can we have a recommendation that people wear masks in congested (in terms of population) area and allow individuals to determine for themselves if their situation warrants it, and avoid going the UK route of "Here's the police tip line so you can snitch on your neighbors"?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just not sure if that's possible.
million people will die" and "this is all made-up Fake News" and/or "I
don't care how many people die, I don't want to be inconvenienced."
---
Can we have a recommendation that people wear masks in congested (in terms of population) area and allow individuals to determine for themselves if their situation warrants it, and avoid going the UK route of "Here's the police tip line so you can snitch on your neighbors"?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just not sure if that's possible.
Posted by: Methos at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (kOpft)
583
The point is: The diseased "well-pump" today is China.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (++3nO)
Needs Repeating
H1N1
SARS
Swine Flu
Now Wuhan Pneumonia
The point is: The diseased "well-pump" today is China.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:38 PM (++3nO)
Needs Repeating
H1N1
SARS
Swine Flu
Now Wuhan Pneumonia
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (+0uDE)
584
Peace. It's a Game of Thrones joke ...
Posted by: Adriane the Season 8 Critic ... at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (LPnfS)
I've never watched it, nor ever will, I guess that's my excuse.
Posted by: Adriane the Season 8 Critic ... at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (LPnfS)
I've never watched it, nor ever will, I guess that's my excuse.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (IB++I)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (ZLI7S)
586
Can anyone tell me how to stretch out the outside muscle on the upper thigh? I have spots that are knotted up and it's really crippling me.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 31, 2020 04:44 PM (Lqy/e)
Massage with a small ball - rubber super ball, tennis ball, et c. ???
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 31, 2020 04:44 PM (Lqy/e)
Massage with a small ball - rubber super ball, tennis ball, et c. ???
Posted by: Adriane the Season 8 Critic ... at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (LPnfS)
587
So we've shut down the nation and the economy on guesswork.
Posted by: Sooner at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (JGreO)
Well, if you assume the best case scenario, do nothing and 1 million die, where are you then?
Posted by: Sooner at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (JGreO)
Well, if you assume the best case scenario, do nothing and 1 million die, where are you then?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (dNzKv)
588
My business pretty flatlined after my wife died mostly because of indifference but there is actually a little bit of evidence it could pick up during this crisis.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (Uu+Jp)
589
563 I posted this yesterday. The Israelis have developed a brilliant reusable mask:
https://tinyurl.com/tlr8tln
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (ptqGC)
wow
that's so Bane
https://tinyurl.com/tlr8tln
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (ptqGC)
wow
that's so Bane
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (G546f)
590
I mean, surgeons don't wear surgical masks when they're doing brain
surgery because they're afraid they're going to catch a tumor from the
patient.
I would never kill a surgeon!
BTW, when will this freakin' funeral end??
surgery because they're afraid they're going to catch a tumor from the
patient.
I would never kill a surgeon!
BTW, when will this freakin' funeral end??
Posted by: john mccain's tumor at March 31, 2020 04:47 PM (TQ/zJ)
591
The numbers from that university of washington covid site are all off. For example, they say Va businesses are still open and no stay at home order.
Posted by: dagny at March 31, 2020 04:47 PM (6KKvB)
592
568
Can anyone tell me how to stretch out the outside muscle on the upper
thigh? I have spots that are knotted up and it's really crippling me.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
Hot iron?
Can anyone tell me how to stretch out the outside muscle on the upper
thigh? I have spots that are knotted up and it's really crippling me.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
Hot iron?
Posted by: pep at March 31, 2020 04:47 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:47 PM (dNzKv)
594
522 Look at the numbers on that stats - -NY's numbers absolutely dwarf every other state by many orders of magnitude. Texas, the state you cite, had just 3% the number of deaths that NY had yesterday.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (N9G0H)
New York has less than half of the cases.
Posted by: blaster
Look again:
For yesterday (the most recent day with full totals:
NY deaths: 279
USA deaths grand total: 558
Exactly half. 50.00%
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:37 PM (N9G0H)
New York has less than half of the cases.
Posted by: blaster
Look again:
For yesterday (the most recent day with full totals:
NY deaths: 279
USA deaths grand total: 558
Exactly half. 50.00%
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:47 PM (N9G0H)
Posted by: pep at March 31, 2020 04:48 PM (T6t7i)
596
BreatheHealthy dot com sells USA produced masks. I ordered for my family in January. Great product. You can also sanitize nitrile gloves. Use hand sanitizer while wearing the gloves.
Posted by: DuhMasksWork at March 31, 2020 04:48 PM (YkawN)
597
I am at a loss as to why everybody is shitting on the MY PILLOW guy? FFS
he's switching from making pillows and sheets to making masks. BarStool
Sports and that Jackass Samantha Bee.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (dKiJG)
Because he's a terrible Person of Jesus.
I am at a loss as to why everybody is shitting on the MY PILLOW guy? FFS
he's switching from making pillows and sheets to making masks. BarStool
Sports and that Jackass Samantha Bee.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (dKiJG)
Because he's a terrible Person of Jesus.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:48 PM (ptqGC)
598
>> I want to know if Biden is dosing the drug.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile
Only drug he doses is Aricept.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile
Only drug he doses is Aricept.
Posted by: Aviator at March 31, 2020 04:48 PM (2cuLk)
599
Here in Michigan, the talk is making roadwork "nonessential" and pass the masks used on big projects to the hospitals. Even though the workers are probably safer than ever due to low traffic.
But at least the pot shops are making money and increasing the number of cashiers. https://tinyurl.com/taos3yv
But at least the pot shops are making money and increasing the number of cashiers. https://tinyurl.com/taos3yv
Posted by: NaughtyPine at March 31, 2020 04:48 PM (/+bwe)
600
579 I am at a loss as to why everybody is shitting on the MY PILLOW guy? FFS he's switching from making pillows and sheets to making masks. BarStool Sports and that Jackass Samantha Bee.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (dKiJG)
-------
He believes in two things that are UNCLEAN to our betters,
GOD, and
President Donald Trump
579 I am at a loss as to why everybody is shitting on the MY PILLOW guy? FFS he's switching from making pillows and sheets to making masks. BarStool Sports and that Jackass Samantha Bee.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (dKiJG)
-------
He believes in two things that are UNCLEAN to our betters,
GOD, and
President Donald Trump
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:49 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:49 PM (++3nO)
602
And for anybody who sews there are tutorials online to make your own.
Posted by: DuhMasksWork at March 31, 2020 04:49 PM (YkawN)
603
"Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 31, 2020 04:44 PM (Lqy/e)"
Start with simple, unweighted squats and toe touches. Also runners stretches (heel pulled to buttocks ) should help if it's muscular.
Start with simple, unweighted squats and toe touches. Also runners stretches (heel pulled to buttocks ) should help if it's muscular.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 31, 2020 04:49 PM (8/E19)
604
>>>The Government Needs to Stop Lying to Us About Coronavirus<<<
Hell, I'm still waiting for the government to stop lying to me about Marilyn Monroe. Those fucking Kennedys!
Hell, I'm still waiting for the government to stop lying to me about Marilyn Monroe. Those fucking Kennedys!
Posted by: Fritz at March 31, 2020 04:49 PM (95j/9)
605
"will there be long term problems? Oh hell yes! But you don't worry about the problems you might have 5 years from now when you're scheduled to be executed tomorrow."
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (trdmm)
As I mentioned in previous comments, we can either go broke in increments of 2 trillion a month of borrowed money or go big with my plan of selling off federal assets and resetting everyone with zero debt.
I like my plan better.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (trdmm)
As I mentioned in previous comments, we can either go broke in increments of 2 trillion a month of borrowed money or go big with my plan of selling off federal assets and resetting everyone with zero debt.
I like my plan better.
Posted by: jwest at March 31, 2020 04:50 PM (mrrpT)
606
>>Can anyone tell me how to stretch out the outside muscle on the upper
thigh? I have spots that are knotted up and it's really crippling me.
Bar Stretches.
Like a ballet dancer.
Pink Tutu helps.
thigh? I have spots that are knotted up and it's really crippling me.
Bar Stretches.
Like a ballet dancer.
Pink Tutu helps.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2020 04:50 PM (WhtJc)
607
So we've shut down the nation and the economy on guesswork.
That and some pointy headed academic's model on how to prevent hospital flooding, spreading it out over time.
Notice, they don't promise this will save lives. Only that it will make things easier on the hospitals, which MIGHT save lives by not overwhelming resources
That and some pointy headed academic's model on how to prevent hospital flooding, spreading it out over time.
Notice, they don't promise this will save lives. Only that it will make things easier on the hospitals, which MIGHT save lives by not overwhelming resources
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2020 04:50 PM (KZzsI)
608
Basic pro mask argument. Assuming that vector is breathing air, do you prefer maskless 100% transfer and assimilation or 85%(made up hypothetical)
More viruses in you means more viruses to replicate. Viral load builds faster. So symptoms trigger earlier and give the immune system less time to react and build antibodies
So you may still get sick but immune system has a better chance at defence.
Its like a delaying force chipping away at an invading army so the big battle has you facing a less numerous opponent.
More viruses in you means more viruses to replicate. Viral load builds faster. So symptoms trigger earlier and give the immune system less time to react and build antibodies
So you may still get sick but immune system has a better chance at defence.
Its like a delaying force chipping away at an invading army so the big battle has you facing a less numerous opponent.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 31, 2020 04:50 PM (e1mEI)
609
There are a non-insignificant number of 30-40 year olds who are dying.
Overall, there are fewer deaths. I reality, COVID is saving lives.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (dNzKv)
With underlying problems or not and what's the that non significant percentage?
Overall, there are fewer deaths. I reality, COVID is saving lives.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy The ChiComTerrorVirus is in the house! at March 31, 2020 04:45 PM (dNzKv)
With underlying problems or not and what's the that non significant percentage?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 31, 2020 04:50 PM (2DOZq)
610
>>Can anyone tell me how to stretch out the outside muscle on the upper thigh? I have spots that are knotted up and it's really crippling me.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
Tennis ball is good as mentioned. Also a small rolling pin can help.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
Tennis ball is good as mentioned. Also a small rolling pin can help.
Posted by: Aviator at March 31, 2020 04:50 PM (2cuLk)
611
I saw some Fuck of a Federal Judge ruled that Plan ParentHood could stay open, They are special and we don't need their equipment.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:50 PM (dKiJG)
612
The numbers from that university of washington covid site are all off. For example, they say Va businesses are still open and no stay at home order.
Posted by: dagny at March 31, 2020 04:47 PM (6KKvB)
Yeah, and as I pointed out earlier the site's total for deaths in Maryland went from 1,100 -> 1,700 overnight. Methinks its not a very sophisticated algorithm.
Posted by: dagny at March 31, 2020 04:47 PM (6KKvB)
Yeah, and as I pointed out earlier the site's total for deaths in Maryland went from 1,100 -> 1,700 overnight. Methinks its not a very sophisticated algorithm.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 31, 2020 04:51 PM (zqs/f)
613
Peace. It's a Game of Thrones joke ...
Posted by: Adriane the Season 8 Critic ... at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (LPnfS)
I've never watched it, nor ever will, I guess that's my excuse.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (IB ++ I)
and being an ass, but mostly, the ass part.
Posted by: Adriane the Season 8 Critic ... at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (LPnfS)
I've never watched it, nor ever will, I guess that's my excuse.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (IB ++ I)
and being an ass, but mostly, the ass part.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 31, 2020 04:51 PM (R7RsF)
614
Death is a lagging metric. The cases come into view first. Then it's the ICU and the morgue.
So if TX has the same cases as NY but fewer deaths, given when those cases started rolling in ... wait a week.
Posted by: boulder
Again, those a prediction, a projection. We really don't know. Currently, TX is at 3% of what NY is. In a week, let's see where we are then. Hopefully, NY will go down, so the ratio will get closer, but also hopefully TX won't go up much.
So if TX has the same cases as NY but fewer deaths, given when those cases started rolling in ... wait a week.
Posted by: boulder
Again, those a prediction, a projection. We really don't know. Currently, TX is at 3% of what NY is. In a week, let's see where we are then. Hopefully, NY will go down, so the ratio will get closer, but also hopefully TX won't go up much.
Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2020 04:51 PM (N9G0H)
615
I didn't have masks on hand, and just gave up looking for any. But today I made two out of a vacuum cleaner bag, unused, from my old vacuum. They go over nose and chin and work great. Have enough of the bag left to sew one more. Guess I'll wear one next grocery run, I'm past caring if I look stupid or overreacting.
Posted by: skywch at March 31, 2020 04:51 PM (Y/Ps0)
616
Well, my Dad got the bug. He's in the hospital and not doing too good. He has/had COP, cryptologic organizing pneumonia in December, and is still fighting that then he gets hit with this. Aging fucking sucks.
He won't be placed on a ventilator, apparently that is something that it's hard to be weaned from once it's applied due to his lung damage...
Well, my Dad got the bug. He's in the hospital and not doing too good. He has/had COP, cryptologic organizing pneumonia in December, and is still fighting that then he gets hit with this. Aging fucking sucks.
He won't be placed on a ventilator, apparently that is something that it's hard to be weaned from once it's applied due to his lung damage...
Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at March 31, 2020 04:51 PM (lg/F7)
617
588 My business pretty flatlined after my wife died mostly because of indifference but there is actually a little bit of evidence it could pick up during this crisis.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (Uu+Jp)
As long as your business is still active at some level, get to the SBA and get the advance.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (Uu+Jp)
As long as your business is still active at some level, get to the SBA and get the advance.
Posted by: jwest at March 31, 2020 04:52 PM (mrrpT)
618
Environmentalists want people to die in mass numbers, and I'm not using hyperbole.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (sjTfF)
-----------------
Well, they can get in line behind MSM, Democrats and large sections of our government.
Posted by: Blago at March 31, 2020 04:39 PM (sjTfF)
-----------------
Well, they can get in line behind MSM, Democrats and large sections of our government.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 31, 2020 04:52 PM (WEBkv)
619
I am at a loss as to why everybody is shitting on the MY PILLOW guy? FFS
he's switching from making pillows and sheets to making masks. BarStool
Sports and that Jackass Samantha Bee.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (dKiJG)
Because he's a terrible Person of Jesus.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:48 PM
And BarStool is a bunch of losers. And Samantha Bee is a waste of breath who couldn't make it as a live comedian, so she's following the Bill Maher pseudo-serious route.
he's switching from making pillows and sheets to making masks. BarStool
Sports and that Jackass Samantha Bee.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (dKiJG)
Because he's a terrible Person of Jesus.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:48 PM
And BarStool is a bunch of losers. And Samantha Bee is a waste of breath who couldn't make it as a live comedian, so she's following the Bill Maher pseudo-serious route.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at March 31, 2020 04:52 PM (/+bwe)
620
When a higher number than usual of a
demographic that has good good personal hygiene and is on the upward part of the iq curve is in the hospital or dead. -> Something unusual is up.
demographic that has good good personal hygiene and is on the upward part of the iq curve is in the hospital or dead. -> Something unusual is up.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 31, 2020 04:52 PM (vv8pr)
621
With underlying problems or not and what's the that non significant percentage?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 31, 2020 04:50 PM (2DOZq)
Not a huge sampel, ~10k cases. But in South Korea 55% of cases were under 50 years old but only two died from it. One man with liver disease, another with hypertension.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 31, 2020 04:50 PM (2DOZq)
Not a huge sampel, ~10k cases. But in South Korea 55% of cases were under 50 years old but only two died from it. One man with liver disease, another with hypertension.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 31, 2020 04:53 PM (zqs/f)
622
I think that before we go Apocalyptic Economic Wasteland we will all just go back to work and take our losses.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 31, 2020 04:53 PM (BHaRb)
623
https://tinyurl.com/tlr8tln
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (ptqGC)
wow
that's so Bane
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (G546f)
It's a cup?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 31, 2020 04:43 PM (ptqGC)
wow
that's so Bane
Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 31, 2020 04:46 PM (G546f)
It's a cup?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 31, 2020 04:54 PM (1g7ch)
624
We just hit a new daily high of 20,699 which is larger than the growth from Sunday to Monday.
And the day is far from over.
And the day is far from over.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2020 04:55 PM (ZLI7S)
625
Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at March 31, 2020 04:51 PM (lg/
Prayers for you. I'm worried about my 80 year old mom with COPD.
Prayers for you. I'm worried about my 80 year old mom with COPD.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 31, 2020 04:56 PM (2DOZq)
626
nood fish tank
Posted by: m at March 31, 2020 04:57 PM (ghFVE)
627
Curious, what percentage of respiratory infections are caught via contact with eyes versus the mouth? Could be that goggles are WAY more effective than masks.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 31, 2020 04:58 PM (zqs/f)
628
Because I'm a kidney patient who does home dialysis, I've known all along that along with proper hygiene, masks DO work. I get a box or two of 50 Level 2 masks every month when I order supplies.
Posted by: Bill R. at March 31, 2020 05:00 PM (wzzJf)
629
Jerome Adams repeated the same lie again this morning on Fox Friends. He covered his lies in loads of excuses about not even medical students following proper procedures and N95s requiring a personalized fit. What hooey and garbage. These are disposable masks. They were created for industrial and construction work. This is the Surgeon General of the United States telling bald-faced, common-sense-defying lies to the public.
But given the public's misbehavior in panic buying and hoarding and refusing to follow distancing guidelines and stay at home orders, I'm not sure we can completely blame the liars for telling their lies.
Start buying and wearing masks.
But given the public's misbehavior in panic buying and hoarding and refusing to follow distancing guidelines and stay at home orders, I'm not sure we can completely blame the liars for telling their lies.
Start buying and wearing masks.
Posted by: Nikola's Notion at March 31, 2020 05:03 PM (hrHLc)
630
Personally I find that masks work great.
Posted by: Bank Robber at March 31, 2020 05:10 PM (+nWCH)
631
Tom Servo,
"I still think that as testing becomes widespread, that 1% number is going to drop significantly."
I'm way late here, but I'm not so sure. Our testing has really ramped up in the last two weeks, and fatalities are more than keeping up.
Of two countries who tested very widely from the very beginning, South Korea is over 1.5% now (up from 0.5% for the first several weeks), and Germany topped 1% today before dipping (barely) back under. They were at 0.1% for so long that articles were written about why they were so low.
"I still think that as testing becomes widespread, that 1% number is going to drop significantly."
I'm way late here, but I'm not so sure. Our testing has really ramped up in the last two weeks, and fatalities are more than keeping up.
Of two countries who tested very widely from the very beginning, South Korea is over 1.5% now (up from 0.5% for the first several weeks), and Germany topped 1% today before dipping (barely) back under. They were at 0.1% for so long that articles were written about why they were so low.
Posted by: JPS at March 31, 2020 05:11 PM (LE1bq)
632
Also it is brand new and different. No one is immune, because no one has been exposed to this virus before.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM
WRONG!
Some of a population will naturally be immune to any particular pathogen, even something completely new, because their genetics make them immune for whatever reason.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM
WRONG!
Some of a population will naturally be immune to any particular pathogen, even something completely new, because their genetics make them immune for whatever reason.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at March 31, 2020 05:17 PM (edlKR)
633
Unless you are talking hazmat suits, medical masks are meant to protect the patient, not the medical staff, for the same reason they wear surgical gowns, gloves, etc.
According to the FDA, the N95 mask doesn't provide the protection people think it provided. I'd cut and paste, but when I tried, the post was rejected. Google fda n95 respirators.
I think that if you can breath, you are not protected against airborne viruses.
According to the FDA, the N95 mask doesn't provide the protection people think it provided. I'd cut and paste, but when I tried, the post was rejected. Google fda n95 respirators.
I think that if you can breath, you are not protected against airborne viruses.
Posted by: Brent Glines at March 31, 2020 05:20 PM (uYwv+)
634
Tucker is generous, "we all know masks work."
Not my experience at all, especially 2+ weeks ago. The vast majority of folks I've talked to believe the exact opposite, "No, I was reading, experts say they don't work unless you're sick."
Not my experience at all, especially 2+ weeks ago. The vast majority of folks I've talked to believe the exact opposite, "No, I was reading, experts say they don't work unless you're sick."
Posted by: Doug at March 31, 2020 05:21 PM (XLlBu)
635
In epidemiology class, the first case we studied was that plague in London that was finally traced back to the well pumps.
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM
Cholera
I forget the plague. Bubonic? African-American?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at March 31, 2020 04:29 PM
Cholera
Posted by: Cybersmythe at March 31, 2020 05:37 PM (edlKR)
636
Ace, it seems to me that finding that middle ground requires our confirming info on how the disease affects different age groups.
Everything I have heard, while I was hearing anything about it, was that it was deadly almost exclusively for the over-50 crowd, getting worse as age increased from there, and getting much much less lethal/serious quickly as the age went down.
I've heard almost nothing about that in a long time.
To the contrary, all the talk now is just about the overall percentage (not that the numbers are very good even for that).
If the under-50 crowd has nothing in particular to fear other than an unpleasant illness with mortality likelihood similar to seasonal flu, then imo they need to get out and get back to work. And that's the case a fortiori if the MAGA meds are effective.
We high-risk types have learned how to take care of ourselves through the years.
So the question is, WTF is actually the deal with this thing?
Everything I have heard, while I was hearing anything about it, was that it was deadly almost exclusively for the over-50 crowd, getting worse as age increased from there, and getting much much less lethal/serious quickly as the age went down.
I've heard almost nothing about that in a long time.
To the contrary, all the talk now is just about the overall percentage (not that the numbers are very good even for that).
If the under-50 crowd has nothing in particular to fear other than an unpleasant illness with mortality likelihood similar to seasonal flu, then imo they need to get out and get back to work. And that's the case a fortiori if the MAGA meds are effective.
We high-risk types have learned how to take care of ourselves through the years.
So the question is, WTF is actually the deal with this thing?
Posted by: Hierominous Botch at March 31, 2020 05:37 PM (YqED9)
637
Weve seen all too terribly the consequences of those who denied warnings of a pandemic, Obama wrote.
Fuck you, Drop dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (85Gof)
This! Poetry, pure poetry.
Fuck you, Drop dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 31, 2020 04:08 PM (85Gof)
This! Poetry, pure poetry.
Posted by: free tibet at March 31, 2020 05:53 PM (2PzhE)
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So the question is, WTF is actually the deal with this thing?
Posted by: Hierominous Botch at March 31, 2020 05:37 PM
Nobody knows. All the data we have is crap, and the only way that's going to get better is to wait for better data to arrive, and everybody's afraid that the world will come to an end if we wait for good data before doing something.
Posted by: Hierominous Botch at March 31, 2020 05:37 PM
Nobody knows. All the data we have is crap, and the only way that's going to get better is to wait for better data to arrive, and everybody's afraid that the world will come to an end if we wait for good data before doing something.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at March 31, 2020 05:57 PM (edlKR)
Posted by: DaveA at March 31, 2020 06:08 PM (FhXTo)
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Heck, most of us figured this out on day one.
Posted by: Jim windon at March 31, 2020 06:19 PM (gVRcP)
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What in the HELL are "health workers"?
The biggest victim of this plague clearly will be the English language.
The biggest victim of this plague clearly will be the English language.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 31, 2020 06:35 PM (Exv3s)
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