The Mask [KT]

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Fashion Masks - Old News (February)

March's mask theme: Sew face masks for medical professionals.

A good idea, really. It was hard for importers to get permits to import, for one thing.

Maybe now that it's April, we can sew some for ourselves, our friends and our neighbors, too. Several companies are supplying masks to medical professionals now. The CDC is expected to endorse cloth masks for civilians. Any day now. I did a search for "mask" and "CDC" at Instapundit. Interesting.

*** CDC Stages of masking grief ***

Denial: Don't wear masks, they don't work

Anger: you're wasting masks and your selfishness will kill doctors

Depression: All the masks are gone

Bargaining: What if people use bandanas?

Acceptance: Everyone wear masks all the time

Larro has been busy:

Help! I'm being held captive...

In the QuiltCave!!!

--forced to cut fabrics for adult and children's face masks
Destined for Dallas Children's Hospital, I think. My wife is a mean task master!!!

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I think this is an Apple pattern. There are several other designs. Anybody else sewing them? There are also styles that require no sewing. I think I would prefer one where the fabric overlapped over the mouth area.

Bulldog at Maggie's Farm is Covid Positive. He describes his experiences with the illness.

I KNEW I was going to get it. That was the point of my original article. If you believe you can avoid it, you're fooling yourself. I DO NOT believe social distancing works. But don't worry - the politicians and other liars will convince you it's working.

He makes some good points. I think that masks still have a place, because I think that the initial dose of virus may make a difference in the severity of the illness you get if you are infected. Common sense suggests that a mask would keep larger virus-laden droplets out. And of course, it may be important to reduce the speed of infection in areas where health care may be overwhelmed, by not coughing and sneezing on people. It is a bad idea to have all your health care workers infected at the same time.

It seems to me that a lot of deaths are being connected to "super-spreader events". Were there high amounts of virus in the air there? And many of the younger victims seem to be health care professionals who were likely exposed to high doses of the virus.

Before the cowpox vaccine for smallpox, people in some countries "vaccinated" children with small doses of live smallpox. Wonder if we could determine the level of antibodies to the coronavirus which would indicate immunity after low-level exposure? Wonder if this virus follows the pattern of milder disease with a lower initial dose of virus?

Addendum: if you are actually trying not to get the virus, a mask reminds you not to touch your face.

Some notes from abroad

In India, a religious gathering featuring visitors from Indonesia became a "super-spreader event" for the Coronavirus. Doctors and nurses have been tasked with tracking down contacts of COVID patients as well as treating the ill. They are being attacked in Muslim-dominated areas. They wear masks.

Sweden is staying with its controversial course of avoiding lock-downs. A lot of people seem to be going without masks. Do you think their strategy will pay off in the long run? Would a similar strategy be possible in the USA, now or in the near future?

France, March 24: French 'confinement' is now approaching house arrest.

France, April 1: Coronavirus brings out the worst in France?

Snitches, nurses being threatened, blaming the capitalist elite and Jews.

The virus's impact on French political attitudes has been, from my perspective, mostly appalling:
A big majority of the country wants a more powerful protective state to emerge from the crisis. More than 70 per cent want the state to curb capitalism and nationalise key sectors, according to a Viavoice poll for today's Liberation newspaper. A similar reflex led Charles de Gaulle to nationalise big industries after the German occupation. Over half the country wants to impose tight curbs on foreign goods, whether from Europe or beyond, the poll found.
I can't explain what "curbing capitalism" has to do with the COVID-19 virus. The predominant French reaction seems to be, "The government is corrupt, it lies about everything and betrays its citizens, let's give it more power!"

In tune with the public, Mr Macron proclaimed this week that the pandemic has "changed the world" and signalled the return of the protective state in the face of globalisation. "We must produce more in France and reduce our dependence" on imported goods, he said. In his declaration of war against the virus on March 12, he promised a break with the past. "There are goods and services that must be placed beyond the laws of the market place."
Notice he is talking about producing in France, not the EU. The coronavirus might bring about the demise of the European Union, or at least its diminution-if so, one of its few happy effects.

And police still can't enforce the "confinement" in Muslim neighborhoods.

While we're at Powerline, how about some cartoons and such from Steven Hayward? The Week in Pictures: The Great Hunkering

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Midweek in pictures: April Fools Day

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Bonus, last week: Life is Zoom-ing by

Featuring the disappearing Joe Biden.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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1 Morning.

I noodles.

Posted by: Robert heats what he wants to hear at April 04, 2020 11:17 AM (9GniR)

2 Noodles?

Nooded.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:18 AM (9GniR)

3 So spacious.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:18 AM (9GniR)

4 Willowed and on topic:

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would like to be able to get a haircut.

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We can't risk it, citizen. You might come in contact with someone who might come in contact with someone who cares for an elderly person, and that person might not wash his hands or wear a mask during the performance of his duties.

(now go for a drive and notice the age of the people also driving around)

Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 04, 2020 11:19 AM (YCAti)

5 Puts feet up on coffee table

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:19 AM (9GniR)

6 For those of you who are sewing challenged, here is a video of how to make a simple mask from a bandana.

https://tinyurl.com/vxyjtex

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 11:21 AM (ZLI7S)

7 I have on pants but I feel like I should take them off.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:21 AM (9GniR)

8 I want a werewolf mask.

Posted by: freaked at April 04, 2020 11:21 AM (Tnijr)

9 In the days of old, if you came into the bar wearing a bandana over your face you would be shot!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 04, 2020 11:21 AM (BiNEL)

10 Did anyone else hear that Trump fired Michael Atkisson? The Wuhan flu completely buried the story.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 04, 2020 11:21 AM (I99aF)

11 Are we supposed to wear masks when we go to banks?

Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 04, 2020 11:21 AM (YCAti)

12 I thought you said how to make a mask from a banana.

I'd wear a banana mask!

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:22 AM (9GniR)

13 I want a werewolf mask.

Posted by: freaked at April 04, 2020 11:21 AM (Tnijr)


I told nurse r she needed a roadrunner mask!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 04, 2020 11:22 AM (BiNEL)

14 If I wear a mask in public it will be to hold up the liquor store.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 04, 2020 11:22 AM (gd9RK)

15 Seeing very little "bargaining" and "acceptance".
That would require extinguishing the fire in one's hair.

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:22 AM (E0PSG)

16 Is that person on the left in the top pic supposed to be a guy? I can't tell.

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 04, 2020 11:22 AM (6ofTb)

17 I want a colander face like the Lord Humongous.

Or a Jason

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 04, 2020 11:22 AM (9TdxA)

18 I'd wear a banana mask!

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:22 AM (9GniR)


Mine keeps slipping off!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 04, 2020 11:22 AM (BiNEL)

19 If anyone sees CBD please let him know the Kindle version of Good Eats: The Early Years is $3 on Amazon.

Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 04, 2020 11:24 AM (YCAti)

20 Sorry to hear about Maggie's Farm guy but his moral equivalence crap is stupid and annoying.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 11:24 AM (H8QX8)

21 OK, how does wearing a mask help keep YOU safe, especially if you're around sick people and touching your face.

Posted by: Fortcoins at April 04, 2020 11:24 AM (JbL9Q)

22 Are we supposed to wear masks when we go to banks?
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 04, 2020 11:21 AM (YCAti)

My bank will only allow people inside with an appointment, otherwise it's drive-thru or ATM is *shudders* online banking.

Online banking is only secure as your device.

Infected with a keylogger? Kiss your password and money goodbye.

Fuck online banking.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:24 AM (9GniR)

23 Thinking nap time.
Said downstairs Philadelphia giving out tickets to people seeming outside doing nothing deemed necessary

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:24 AM (ZCEU2)

24 As long as it is voluntary to wear a mask, I won't. If it is made mandatory, I will find a humorous defiant mask.

Someone yesterday said they would be making MAGA and Trump 2020 masks.

Posted by: AmericqnKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:24 AM (IDhUW)

25 I'd wear a banana mask!

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:22 AM (9GniR)


Those are quite apeeling!

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:24 AM (E0PSG)

26 Don't let sick people touch your face if you're allergic to sick people touching your face.

Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 04, 2020 11:25 AM (YCAti)

27 Eyes Wide Shut masks would be cool.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 11:25 AM (PUmDY)

28 Best analogy for the mask craze:

If you aren't wearing a mask, it's like having a hundred machine guns firing at you.

If you wear a mask, it's like having only one machine gun firing at you.

You're fooling yourself if you think it's going to make you less dead.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:25 AM (hku12)

29 "The virus's impact on French political attitudes has been, from my perspective, mostly appalling:
A big majority of the country wants a more powerful protective state to emerge from the crisis. More than 70 per cent want the state to curb capitalism and nationalise key sectors..."

Brings to mind the rousing patriotic scene from "Casablanca," doesn't it?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 11:26 AM (H8QX8)

30 >>Did anyone else hear that Trump fired Michael Atkisson? The Wuhan flu completely buried the story.

I heard. Should be interesting to see how Democrats and the media respond.

His testimony to the House has still not been released.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 11:26 AM (ZLI7S)

31 You're fooling yourself if you think it's going to make you less dead.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:25 AM (hku12)


They are to protect others from your infected ass

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:26 AM (E0PSG)

32 The media was always lying about masks. If they sucked and were useless, , why push the immunocompromised to wear them and why make sure medical people wear them around people with respiratory illnesses?

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 11:27 AM (ONvIw)

33 There's a spider on my monitor. Do I freak out and scream and call somebody to get it? No, I just leave it there. It'll go away.

Posted by: freaked at April 04, 2020 11:27 AM (Tnijr)

34 dbs were a great band

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 11:27 AM (PUmDY)

35 6 For those of you who are sewing challenged, here is a video of how to make a simple mask from a bandana.

https://tinyurl.com/vxyjtex
Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 11:21 AM (ZLI7S)
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This is genius!

I don't know how effective it is, but it will do in a pinch. I only have four 3M dust masks and one N100 respirator, which I am saving for the inevitable caravan across a desolate wasteland.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 11:27 AM (Dc2NZ)

36 Yay! Another mask effectiveness thread! Is my biker bones hoorag a good choice or in bad taste?

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 11:28 AM (SwWMX)

37 OK, how does wearing a mask help keep YOU safe, especially if you're around sick people and touching your face.
Posted by: Fortcoins at April 04, 2020 11:24 AM (JbL9Q)



It doesn't. It. Just. Doesn't.

But we have to go through this phase. I like the five stages of mask grief above, except acceptance is "We're in a communist state now, so learn to make it fashionable."

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:28 AM (hku12)

38 My problem with wearing a mask is that I have a beard that Moses would envy. And I ain't shaving it off. I reckon I should hope that my beard will help with filtering the air. Besides, I hate wearing a mask.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 04, 2020 11:28 AM (R5lpX)

39 Burka for the win!

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 11:28 AM (SwWMX)

40 I only hand stitch but I'm gonna give it a try

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:29 AM (G546f)

41

Ugh, the male kinda looks like camera Hogg in the eyes.

The young gal is a cutie. In fact, if she had dazzling, green eyes to go with the rest of her coloring, ouch.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2020 11:29 AM (DMcz+)

42 The trick to this lock down was getting everyone to beleave the virus if you got it you had a high chance of it being your demise.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:29 AM (ZCEU2)

43 Mask-Free or DIE.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 11:29 AM (59YkD)

44 Thought it was Boss Hogg too

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:30 AM (ZCEU2)

45 His testimony to the House has still not been released.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 11:26 AM (ZLI7S)


And isn't the FISA court (finally) trying to cover up the complicity by asking for more information from the FBI about the dirty warrants?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 04, 2020 11:30 AM (BiNEL)

46 Speaking of historic vaccination techniques, remember the vaccination scene in the "John Adams" miniseries? Yecch.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 04, 2020 11:30 AM (g8Yc+)

47 You're fooling yourself if you think it's going to make you less dead.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:25 AM (hku12)

They are to protect others from your infected ass
Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:26 AM (E0PSG)


I'm not infected.

But if it makes YOU feel better, then sure, let's all go around forcing others to provide you with comfort.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:30 AM (hku12)

48 He's too pretty to be Hogg. Maybe Brook Shield's sister?

Posted by: freaked at April 04, 2020 11:31 AM (Tnijr)

49 WE'RE ALL GONNA DIIIIIIEEEEEE!!!!!!*

*in #twoweeks

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 11:31 AM (NWiLs)

50 Said beards might increase the factor. Stay clean, out of crowds and hope for the best

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:31 AM (ZCEU2)

51 Burka for the win!
Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 11:28 AM (SwWMX)


Exactly. Let's stop fooling around with this.

It's for the children.

Don't you.... LOVE your children???

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:31 AM (hku12)

52 If I have to wear a mask, it's a plague doctor mask or bust.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 11:32 AM (rCwaK)

53 Well, what is America's response to the virus? Looks like, yessir, whatever you say sir. I understand that but also think we should be vocal about knowing our rights are being denied us and we expect them back.

Also, in the spirit of not letting a crisis go to waste we should be demanding the restorations of some of the freedoms/ responsibilities we've already given up that belong to states and individuals.

Posted by: AmericqnKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:32 AM (IDhUW)

54 I like that Mask free or die line - I wonder if I can get that on a license plate?

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 11:32 AM (SwWMX)

55 >>And isn't the FISA court (finally) trying to cover up the complicity by asking for more information from the FBI about the dirty warrants?

Do you know where Atkinson worked before he was the ICIG?

He worked for the DOJ in the National Security Division helping oversee FISA applications.

Funny that.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 11:32 AM (ZLI7S)

56 "I commute, via train, every day. I went to the bank. I was playing poker one night with 50 people at a bar the week before being sent home (...) If you believe you can avoid it, you're fooling yourself. I DO NOT believe social distancing works. But don't worry - they politicians and other liars will convince you it's working."

Clearly I'm missing something, because commuting via train daily and playing poker with 50 people at a bar does not sound to me like a failure of social distancing.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 11:32 AM (t+qrx)

57 I pimped this in the last thread, but it was almost dead, so I'll pimp in this thread and again tomorrow in the Book Thread:

Moe Lane, formerly the best writer at RedState, has written a novel and is Kickstarting it to help pay for all the pesky things like artwork and ISBN numbers. It's a post-apocalyptic noir fantasy detective novel. Wizards and Elves AND trenchcoat-wearing flatfoots.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/moelane/frozen-dreams-a-novel?ref=user_menu

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at April 04, 2020 11:33 AM (ijEPD)

58 Clearly I'm missing something, because commuting via train daily and playing poker with 50 people at a bar does not sound to me like a failure of social distancing.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 11:32 AM (t+qrx)
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The royal flush made it all worth it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 11:33 AM (Dc2NZ)

59 Jim Acosta has earned a promotion.

He is now officially a Loathsome Asshole Toad:

Here he is interrupting Dr. Birx at a press conference in order to blame President Trump.

https://tinyurl.com/tz2c3l9

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 04, 2020 11:33 AM (T09ml)

60 And did I look to see there were only five comments and put down my under-10 marker, or did I foolishly read the content first? "♪ Only a Moron knows for sure." Anyway...

Last few times we went out, we wore no masks.

I'd thought of wrapping my scarf around my face, but it was too warm (then; now it's ~35°.

Some folks, usually older, were wearing masks. About 25% I'd say. Good for them. They're probably carriers.

Next outing, I was thinking of at least having a train-robber bandana mask - with my trenchcoat and cowboyish hat. Alas, not packing two six-guns. Or spurs.

There's a very good possibility that some form of this bug swept through our area (NE Okla) 'way back in December, when many folks had the sniffles, and the docs were talking about "an as-yet unidentified virus." Wasn't too deadly, or else no one was connecting dots. Think we may have had it.

Whether we got inoculated then, or became carriers, or more vulnerable, who knows? I just take my B vitamins in the morning and avoid humanity as much as possible - as usual.

Posted by: mindful webworker
a webwork by any other name would something something
at April 04, 2020 11:34 AM (AoLFQ)

61 We see you without your mask. Shame.

Posted by: NextDoor at April 04, 2020 11:34 AM (EgshT)

62 I'm not infected.

But if it makes YOU feel better, then sure, let's all go around forcing others to provide you with comfort.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:30 AM (hku12)


Oh, really? Been tested? Been out in public in the last two weeks?

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:34 AM (E0PSG)

63 speaking of India, their health ministry.released a how to make masks and use them that is usefully low tech

like an idiot I lost the link

anyway for sanitizing cloth masks they recommend pressure cooker or hoil for 15 min (adding salt is helpful)

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:34 AM (G546f)

64 Clearly I'm missing something, because commuting via train daily and playing poker with 50 people at a bar does not sound to me like a failure of social distancing.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 11:32 AM (t+qrx)

Yeah, I stopped listening to him pretty quickly.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 11:34 AM (H8QX8)

65 For those of us who spend early spring as coughing, sneezing, and itching martyrs to tree pollen allergies: I'll wear a mask soon to keep everyone else from freaking out.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 04, 2020 11:35 AM (MIKMs)

66 For any SE PA Morons: At the Shady Maple Market in East Earl PA (one of the largest groceries on the East Coast btw) a fight broke out at the deli counter on Thursday. A woman cut into the line at the deli and then berated another woman for failing to maintain the proper distance. First woman then struck second woman in the face and fled the store. She drove a late model, silver Volvo station wagon. Police are searching for the miscreant.

My cousin vehemently denied she was woman #1 as she would never hit anyone with an open fist.

(all of this is true btw)

Posted by: Tonypete at April 04, 2020 11:35 AM (Y4EXg)

67 A big majority of the country wants a more powerful protective state to
emerge from the crisis. More than 70 per cent want the state to curb
capitalism and nationalise key sectors, according to a Viavoice poll for
today's Liberation newspaper.




Get rid of capitalism. Yeah, that ought to solve all of their problems

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 11:36 AM (IHjJr)

68
We took Val to the veterinary chiropractor this morning and they were kind enough to give me an extra mask.

These things are supposed to protect others from me, right? Because I can't see them protecting me from others.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 04, 2020 11:36 AM (7rVsF)

69 if everyone wears a mask we all keep most of our spit droplets to ourselves
so yeah it would help
of course it's the one asymptomatic unmasked person that screws everyone else

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:36 AM (G546f)

70 The young gal is a cutie. In fact, if she had dazzling, green eyes to go with the rest of her coloring, ouch.
Posted by: teej at April 04, 2020 11:29 AM (DMcz+)

Looks like she has bluish gray eyes.

Posted by: Fox2! at April 04, 2020 11:36 AM (SXmvw)

71 @16 I would not know. Just how fat IS your ass, anyway?
See what I'm sayin?

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at April 04, 2020 11:37 AM (8IOEj)

72 I have American flag themed head wraps that I could use.

That will likely be the extent of my defiance.

I would enjoy seeing plague dr masks and such.

Posted by: AmericqnKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:37 AM (IDhUW)

73 TonyPete LOL

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:37 AM (G546f)

74 WTF is an open fist?
I call that a hand.

Posted by: navybrat, holed up at April 04, 2020 11:37 AM (w7KSn)

75 Wear mask, mouth "fuck you" to everyone you see.

Or you can seductively lick your lips at the sight of every beautiful woman you see.

Make a little game of it.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:37 AM (9GniR)

76 Here's fabric with virus design, for those so inclined:

https://www.spoonflower.com/tags/viruses

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 11:37 AM (Dc2NZ)

77 And police still can't enforce the "confinement" in Muslim neighborhoods.

Muslim women already wear masks all the time. And they're supposed to be, basically, confined to the home so as to not be touched by "male gaze". I'm surprised DeBlasio hasn't ordered everyone in NYC to convert yet.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 11:37 AM (ExV1e)

78 We should all make up our own KISS masks.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 11:38 AM (PUmDY)

79 I'm not infected.

But if it makes YOU feel better, then sure, let's all go around forcing others to provide you with comfort.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:30 AM (hku12)

Oh, really? Been tested? Been out in public in the last two weeks?
Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:34 AM (E0PSG)


Yes! I've been out in public. Go ahead and report me to the gestapo.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:38 AM (hku12)

80 Oh, and remember, the people who brought you the WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE projections for Wuhan virus used computer modeling.

The same people who brought us global warming.

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 04, 2020 11:39 AM (T09ml)

81 Nooded.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:18
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No you didn't. You Mooded.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 11:39 AM (Dhht7)

82 81 Nooded.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:18
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No you didn't. You Mooded.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 11:39 AM (Dhht7)

Completely different udderance.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 11:40 AM (NWiLs)

83 For any SE PA Morons: At the Shady Maple Market in East Earl PA (one of the largest groceries on the East Coast btw) a fight broke out at the deli counter on Thursday.

FWIW, I've discovered Tuesdays evenings. You have the place to yourself. I was told that's normal, even before the plandemic.

Posted by: t-bird at April 04, 2020 11:40 AM (jyVW0)

84 Hey y'all - I just stumbled on to a weekend post from J.J. at his cross-posted site...
http://cutjibnewsletter.com/2020/04/04/dow-50000-with-this-one-neat-trick/

Posted by: doof2112 at April 04, 2020 11:40 AM (mZUr4)

85 Tonypete what are the odds a Amish person is carrying? Not much so it was a fairly safe cut in.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (ZCEU2)

86 Completely different udderance.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 11:40 AM (NWiLs)

Are we going to now milk this one for all it's worth?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (H8QX8)

87 My county of residence has a population density of 44 people/sq. mile.

Compare this to NYC with >27,000 people/sq. mile.


I'll wear a mask if I go to NYC.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (m45I2)

88 Morning teej

Posted by: AmericqnKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (IDhUW)

89 I remember there used to be a pro wrestler who used the Mr. Clean schtick to good effect.

Bald, dressed all in white and even had the ear ring.

He used to whoop up on Haystack Calhoun's fat ass.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (Z+IKu)

90 Yes! I've been out in public. Go ahead and report me to the gestapo.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:38 AM (hku12)


By the way, did you ever manage to get a mask, that you were crying about not being available just a few days ago?

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (E0PSG)

91 Someone on this blog posted a beautiful line recently about all of us forced to behave like members of an hive society. And the response within days, here, is "well it's for our own good" - or the thinly veiled, "burn the witch" - looking at you db. The Founders are laughing at us from the beyond.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (SwWMX)

92 Ugh, fixing nic

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (IDhUW)

93 Or you can seductively lick your lips at the sight of every beautiful woman you see.

Make a little game of it.


Once it becomes a habit, better keep wearing a mask.

Posted by: t-bird at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (jyVW0)

94 Should we see if we can convince people that you have to wear a Propeller Beanie to keep safe or is that too 4-Chan?

Posted by: JB1000 at April 04, 2020 11:42 AM (geO1h)

95 Willowed:

Okay, here's further evidence that Chinese Wu Ping Cough was released from a Chinese lab.

Yeah, it's HotAir. But, it's a good article.

Be sure to watch the video at the bottom. Check out the timing of the listings for researchers.


https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-

2/2020/04/03/additional-evidence-coronavirus-

accidentally-released-chinese-lab/

(remove extra spaces)



This goes along with an article I saw roughly a week ago where a Chinese researcher released a paper stating that she believes that she'd found Patient Zero for COVID-19.

It was a Chinese researcher exposed to bat urine who subsequently got sick.

She disappeared the day after she published.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 11:42 AM (z0XD8)

96 I tried that mask from bandana and hair bands and it was a complete fail. I could not keep the bands over my ears.

My dad found a few old masks. One might be N-95, of course it is the one with with dry rotted ties, but I'm thinking maybe I can cut an old T-shirt to go over it. Polis wants everyone to wear masks here. I'm not clear if its on order yet. I may have some transparency films. I think the face shield would do more to protect from strangers sneezing and stop the unconscious face rubbing.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at April 04, 2020 11:42 AM (T9Hmo)

97 Wait until the zombie masks get out. Thinking creativity will be needed.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:42 AM (ZCEU2)

98 Are we going to now milk this one for all it's worth?
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (H8QX
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The Cream of the Jest.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 04, 2020 11:42 AM (g8Yc+)

99 One Man can save us?

Is he calling SMOD?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2020 11:43 AM (NgKpN)

100 I'm not infected.

But if it makes YOU feel better, then sure, let's all go around forcing others to provide you with comfort.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:30 AM (hku12)

Oh, really? Been tested? Been out in public in the last two weeks?
Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:34 AM (E0PSG)


Yes! I've been out in public. Go ahead and report me to the gestapo.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:38 AM (hku12)

Thank you for calling.

For instructions in English, press 1!

Para instrucciones en espaņol, marque dos.

Posted by: Gestapo at April 04, 2020 11:43 AM (9GniR)

101 East Earl PA

Just down the road from Blue Ball.

And just up the road from Intercourse.

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 04, 2020 11:43 AM (T09ml)

102
I just saw two shoppers at Sam's in the full hazmat bunny suit...they arrived in a prius

draw your own conclusions

Posted by: AltonJackson
Impeach Whitmer!!!
at April 04, 2020 11:43 AM (ttazl)

103 Completely different udderance.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 11:40 AM (NWiLs)

Are we going to now milk this one for all it's worth?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (H8QX


We really should mo-ve on from the bovine puns

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 04, 2020 11:43 AM (BiNEL)

104 Man Muldoon you're making me feel crowded here - we have 56 persons per square mile in my county!

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 11:44 AM (SwWMX)

105 FWIW, I've discovered Tuesdays evenings. You have the place to yourself. I was told that's normal, even before the plandemic.
Posted by: t-bird

-----

Yep. Every Moron owes it to themselves to make a pilgrimage at least once in their lifetime if only to gaze upon the pretzel/potato chip aisle.

Truly, world class and nothing else like it.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 04, 2020 11:44 AM (Y4EXg)

106 Upside down flag masks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie has got the Kung Fu Grippe at April 04, 2020 11:44 AM (41rs/)

107 My county of residence has a population density of 44 people/sq. mile.

Compare this to NYC with >27,000 people/sq. mile.


I'll wear a mask if I go to NYC.
Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (m45I2)


Damn. I just got an idea!

I won't go to New York City.

Oh well, guess I'll have to do without New York style Thai bagels at 4AM.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:45 AM (hku12)

108 I just saw two shoppers at Sam's in the full hazmat bunny suit...they arrived in a prius
draw your own conclusions
Posted by: AltonJackson
Impeach Whitmer!!!
at April 04, 2020 11:43 AM (ttazl)

Did they have the flap on the butt? You gotta have a butt flap....I mean.....you know.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 04, 2020 11:45 AM (Z+IKu)

109 Nooded.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:18
----------------------
No you didn't. You Mooded.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 11:39 AM (Dhht7)

I bet no one who's dyslexic noticed.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:45 AM (9GniR)

110 We really should mo-ve on from the bovine puns
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 04, 2020 11:43 AM (BiNEL)

So you're dairying to push this further?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 11:45 AM (H8QX8)

111 And then it's gone, like the wind.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 11:45 AM (PUmDY)

112 East Earl PA
Just down the road from Blue Ball.
And just up the road from Intercourse.


More importantly, right next to the Sportsman's Shop (although I like Kerper's much better)

Posted by: t-bird at April 04, 2020 11:45 AM (jyVW0)

113 freaked: There's a spider on my monitor. Do I freak out and scream and call somebody to get it? No, I just leave it there. It'll go away.

Tiny innocent little wolf spider? Get your Mindful Webworks Bug-Trapper™ cup and escort the little guy outside.

Brown recluse? Flamethrower, probably not just the monitor, but the whole desk and its environs, practically a nuke it from space just to be sure thing.

Posted by: mindful webworker
a webwork by any other name would something something
at April 04, 2020 11:45 AM (AoLFQ)

114 Where our cabin is the county has 2.7 people per square mile.

If you can see another person through binoculars you need to don your mask.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 11:45 AM (m45I2)

115 91 Someone on this blog posted a beautiful line recently about all of us forced to behave like members of an hive society. And the response within days, here, is "well it's for our own good" - or the thinly veiled, "burn the witch" - looking at you db. The Founders are laughing at us from the beyond.
Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (SwWMX)

We have entered the true Nanny State zone.

Government is acting just like MOM, won't let us play outside, and dresses us funny.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2020 11:46 AM (NgKpN)

116 The homeschooling meme above is funny.

I'm considering starting a family schooling consulting practice.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:46 AM (IDhUW)

117 We see you without your mask. Shame.


Posted by: NextDoor at April 04, 2020 11:34 AM (EgshT)


These NextDoor and Karen stories remind of many moons ago I worked with this girl from Bratislava, Slovakia. One day we were talking and there were two office soy boys there. I said something about commie countries and they rolled their eyes and made some comment about that was just propaganda. She ripped into them. What do you think living in a communist country was? You were spied on all the time. The mailman, your landlord they were probably all spying on you. You had no idea who was spying on you but you knew they were spying on you all the time. Sadly, that's the country the Karens want us to live in

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 11:46 AM (IHjJr)

118

#quarantitties is a real hashtag on Twitter.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 04, 2020 11:46 AM (TLxpZ)

119 Are we going to now milk this one for all it's worth?
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020

+++++

That's a pretty cheesy joke.

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 04, 2020 11:46 AM (T09ml)

120 No you didn't. You Mooded.

Yeah, I thought it must be a cow thread.

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:47 AM (E0PSG)

121 I wore a mask when I went to Costco
cloth gloves too

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:47 AM (G546f)

122
If I gotta wear a mask, I'm going to-

carry a Marks-A-Lot and draw a big "Z" on the chest of everyone I meet
1


Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 11:48 AM (z0XD8)

123

Bluish-gray? You may be right Fox2!

Still, with the med Brown hair, I'm still thinking bright green...


And someone replaced an a with a q.
Accidental I'm guessing, being next to each other on the keyboard.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2020 11:48 AM (DMcz+)

124 103 Completely different udderance.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 11:40 AM (NWiLs)

Are we going to now milk this one for all it's worth?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (H8QX

We really should mo-ve on from the bovine puns
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 04, 2020 11:43 AM (BiNEL)

I will ruminate upon your suggestion.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 11:49 AM (NWiLs)

125 So question is Robert from Jersey if this is a cow pun thread?

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:49 AM (ZCEU2)

126 94 Should we see if we can convince people that you have to wear a Propeller Beanie to keep safe or is that too 4-Chan?
Posted by: JB1000 at April 04, 2020 11:42 AM (geO1h)

Genius! Battery powered propeller hats!

If they blew down, then anything headed towards your face would blow down onto your shirt!

Where you are less likely to get duh Coronas!

It'll sell I tells ya! Genius!

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2020 11:49 AM (NgKpN)

127 I'm confused. Are they recommending masks for cows now?

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:50 AM (E0PSG)

128 are we better off if the virus thwarts globalism, but also builds the fascist state? The current stimulus to save "markets" (corporations) makes TARP (bailing out banks) look small.


For now I'm presuming (based on real evidence) that the HCQ+Z treatment would prevent 90% of hospital stays. Ventilators are the last desperate stage of a hospital stay, and those numbers would also be drastically reduced ... AND the long term damage to those that survive the long term damage from the later stages would also be vastly reduced.


But the whole other communist (oligarch control) agenda is SO attractive to the Global Foundation elitist saviors (such as self aggrandizing Napoleon complex Fauci) ... that even if they are not PURE evil, they nonetheless are in love with their UN partners, even scum like the WHO director or the various child trafficker types that inhabit high office at the UN. (scum WHO director was praised by Fauci ... wtf?)


HCQ+Z is the game changer, several doctors have said, yet there is a definite effort to thwart its usage, to maintain the shutdown. There seems to be a clear agenda at work, to permanently change "The West", with this 3 month forced behavior modification PsyOp.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 11:50 AM (Cus5s)

129 102
I just saw two shoppers at Sam's in the full hazmat bunny suit...they arrived in a prius

draw your own conclusions
Posted by: AltonJackson
Impeach Whitmer!!!
at April 04, 2020 11:43 AM (ttazl)
-----

Super woke environmentally conscious germs phones who welcome being told what to do?

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:51 AM (IDhUW)

130 127 I'm confused. Are they recommending masks for cows now?
Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:50 AM (E0PSG)

That's udderly ridiculous.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2020 11:51 AM (NgKpN)

131 The prez needs to stop this horseshit . Give us our country (and freedom) back now.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 11:51 AM (Fs5vw)

132 I just saw that China sent Pakistan some N95 Masks, the Masks are fake and he's the real Kicker made from Underwear and it looks like Male Underwear. the video is Funny if not so sad.

shorturl.at/cksK9

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 04, 2020 11:52 AM (dKiJG)

133 Should we see if we can convince people that you have to wear a Propeller Beanie to keep safe or is that too 4-Chan?
Posted by: JB1000 at April 04, 2020 11:42 AM (geO1h)

Genius! Battery powered propeller hats!

If they blew down, then anything headed towards your face would blow down onto your shirt!

Where you are less likely to get duh Coronas!

It'll sell I tells ya! Genius!
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2020 11:49 AM (NgKpN)


I think everyone should wear weather vanes on their heads. One that shows wind direction, so... if I'm walking toward you, and the wind suddenly changes so it's at my back, and headed in your direction, by law I have to turn around and go the other way.

It's the only way to defeat this.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 11:52 AM (hku12)

134

Morning back atcha pretty bird.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2020 11:52 AM (DMcz+)

135 I don't understand mocking mask wearers

a lot of store workers and grocery workers are not allowed to wear masks coz it might make customers uncomfortable

think about that

I hope Trump's presser yesterday changed corporate 's minds

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:52 AM (G546f)

136 Jersey?

JERSEY?!?

Fuck that shit!

I'm French Canadian.

I'm kidding!

I'm from Texas.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:52 AM (9GniR)

137 Anyone think there will be a resurgence in Home Ec. or at least Home Ec. skills?

Nothing like being stuck at home and no knowing how to make bread, sew a mask, stock a pantry with long-term items like homemade canned sauce and jam...

Posted by: Lizzy at April 04, 2020 11:52 AM (bDqIh)

138 Germs phones-whatever I'll just go with it - autocucumber

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:52 AM (IDhUW)

139 Masque of the Red Holstein?

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:53 AM (E0PSG)

140 94 Should we see if we can convince people that you have to wear a Propeller Beanie to keep safe or is that too 4-Chan?
Posted by: JB1000 at April 04, 2020 11:42 AM (geO1h)

You could argue that reversing the rotation while increasing the speed will create an air curtain in front of your face to force virus carrying droplets downward.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 11:53 AM (ExV1e)

141 76 Here's fabric with virus design, for those so inclined:

https://www.spoonflower.com/tags/viruses

I love spoonflower. I can get as lost there as I can in youtube or the twatters.

Posted by: April at April 04, 2020 11:53 AM (OX9vb)

142 Just sent email to city manager and staff about illegal horde that continues to congregate at gas station close to my house in violation of SIP order. Can't wait to see what justification he uses to not crack down.


Sick of this shit and will take to county or state level if necessary. Unfortunately, I'll probbaly be the one that get fined or goes to jail. Or shamed by Karen.

Posted by: Ripley at April 04, 2020 11:53 AM (MxEKc)

143 Masque of the Red Holstein?
Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:53 AM (E0PSG)



The Cow in the Iron Mask


Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 11:54 AM (z0XD8)

144 Robert even better its a Long horn cow thread

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:55 AM (ZCEU2)

145 121 I wore a mask when I went to Costco
cloth gloves too
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:47 AM (G546f)


Good. You are doing exactly what the government wants you to do, comrade.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 11:55 AM (Fs5vw)

146

A haircut, a haircut. My kingdom for a haircut

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 11:55 AM (IHjJr)

147 Masque of the Red Holstein?
Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:53 AM (E0PSG)


The Cow in the Iron Mask


Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 11:54 AM (z0XD
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A Cask of Amootillado

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 04, 2020 11:56 AM (g8Yc+)

148 >>a lot of store workers and grocery workers are not allowed to wear masks coz it might make customers uncomfortable


???
That's as stupid as telling people to go eat dinner in Chinatown in February.

This is getting onto the Gavin de Becker safety stuff about not putting politeness (on desire to not offend strangers) above personal safety.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 04, 2020 11:56 AM (bDqIh)

149 Tin foil hats might come back

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:56 AM (ZCEU2)

150 So, assuming that HQ+Z works and we're not all about to become zombies, what are we gonna do will the millions of ventilators/respirators currently being produced in panic?

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 11:56 AM (ExV1e)

151 Sewed 8 surgical style masks yesterday. Made them from old t-shirts. I have a bunch of shirts I no longer wear. Gave 6 to my niece and kept 2 for me. No way will Mr. NEC wear one so they're both mine. My first one wasn't so great so I'll wear it while sanding furniture.
Still have one unused contractor style dust mask. Saving it for the zombie times.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 04, 2020 11:56 AM (JVgnl)

152 I'd want a piece of wire in the top of the mask, to bend it around the nose. When you consider how small the nose is, and how big that mask gap is without a wire, it is easy to see the air's path of least resistance would be around the mask through that gap. But they would still help stop that vapor coming from the wearer ... when he talks or coughs.


Even the N-95 masks leak a little around the edge, which I think is why that nurse study showed the surgical style mask was equally effective. And any tightly fitting mask is indeed (90%?) effective at stopping the wearer from catching a virus in a contaminated space. But they are perhaps more effective at stopping an infected person from becoming a super spreader.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 11:56 AM (Cus5s)

153 My local Albertson's and CVS workers are all masked and gloved and I think that is appropriate given their job. Me, I don't know; don't think I will unless it becomes mandatory.

Posted by: IC at April 04, 2020 11:56 AM (a0IVu)

154 Fauci...still lives?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 04, 2020 11:57 AM (DY3v8)

155 Good. You are doing exactly what the government wants you to do, comrade.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 11:55 AM (Fs5vw)


No, the government is finally following my natural germaphobia and isolationist insticts

effing extroverts can suck.it

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:57 AM (G546f)

156 I wore a mask when I went to Costco
cloth gloves too
Posted by: vmom 2020


That's good thinking. No fingerprints, no usable surveillance footage.

Posted by: t-bird at April 04, 2020 11:57 AM (gHCnG)

157 out on the pavement, thinking about the government.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 11:57 AM (PUmDY)

158 So. The other day Ace had a post about everyone wearing masks in order to open everything back up. Is that what we're talking about here? Or are we talking about everyone wearing masks and STILL being locked down until who knows when?

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 04, 2020 11:57 AM (JcosR)

159 Store personal wear masks it will encourage shoppers to do the same.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:58 AM (ZCEU2)

160 The last time I visited a grocery store, the air was filled with the scent of antiseptic wipes.

Which makes me cough.

Which earns the side-eye.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 11:58 AM (ouBhA)

161 Picked up an online order at Home Depot yesterday. Wore my mask. Employee I interacted with said they couldn't get masks otherwise they would be wearing them.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 04, 2020 11:58 AM (JVgnl)

162 Saw a woman at Menard's decked out like an IRA terrorist.

I was tempted to float her a donation but don't have any spare cash right now.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 04, 2020 11:58 AM (DY3v8)

163 "94 Should we see if we can convince people that you have to wear a Propeller Beanie to keep safe or is that too 4-Chan"


All you need to do is say the CDC and WHO said propeller beanies don't help and I'll start wearing one.

Posted by: lowandslow at April 04, 2020 11:58 AM (4thlk)

164 Test

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 11:58 AM (QZCjk)

165 Anyone see the article that the Battelle clowns got their mask sterilization process 'certified' by the government.

Posted by: Jean at April 04, 2020 11:58 AM (B7KlG)

166 145 121 I wore a mask when I went to Costco
cloth gloves too
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:47 AM (G546f)


Good. You are doing exactly what the government wants you to do, comrade.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 11:55 AM (Fs5vw

If Mask wearing helps get People out of this quarntine then I am for it, you don't know if you are sick and are spreading it. My Wife works in the Hospital and she's scared, she wasn't scared during the AIDS crisis but this stuff scares her.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 04, 2020 11:59 AM (dKiJG)

167 115 91 Someone on this blog posted a beautiful line recently about all of us forced to behave like members of an hive society. And the response within days, here, is "well it's for our own good" - or the thinly veiled, "burn the witch" - looking at you db. The Founders are laughing at us from the beyond.
Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (SwWMX)

We have entered the true Nanny State zone.

Government is acting just like MOM, won't let us play outside, and dresses us funny.
-------
And what I'm struggling with is what is the appropriate response of an educated freedom loving American.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:59 AM (IDhUW)

168 So. The other day Ace had a post about everyone wearing masks in order to open everything back up. Is that what we're talking about here? Or are we talking about everyone wearing masks and STILL being locked down until who knows when?
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 04, 2020 11:57 AM (JcosR)

Sir, this is a cow pun thread.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:59 AM (9GniR)

169 The masks I'm making with pleats and ties actually fit tight around the edges. Elastic not so much.

The pleated mask gives breathing space then is tight, with the ties, around the edges.

Posted by: dagny at April 04, 2020 11:59 AM (8HSj8)

170 So, assuming that HQ+Z works and we're not all about to become zombies, what are we gonna do will the millions of ventilators/respirators currently being produced in panic?
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 11:56 AM (ExV1e)


Our nation's finest burnout engineers have come up with plans for a bong that, with sufficient weed, can orbit sixty metric tons.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 11:59 AM (t+qrx)

171 If I had to go through NY or north Jersey or a few other major cities I would wear one.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:00 PM (ZCEU2)

172 Is that what we're talking about here? Or are we talking about everyone wearing masks and STILL being locked down until who knows when?
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 04, 2020 11:57 AM (JcosR)

well, gov Wolf and his tranny dr nanny say wear masks and still social distance, BUT I'm hoping it's baby steps towards opening back up.
sick of house arrest

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:01 PM (G546f)

173 Or are we talking about everyone wearing masks and STILL being locked down


No, I don't think wearing a mask at home is the point.

Posted by: dagny at April 04, 2020 12:01 PM (8HSj8)

174 And what I'm struggling with is what is the appropriate response of an educated freedom loving American.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel

---

Yes, exactly. I don't want to overreact but, by the same token, I don't want to be needlessly foolish either.

Given all the competing sources lying at me, I am a bit undecided as to what is the proper course.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 04, 2020 12:01 PM (Y4EXg)

175 165 Anyone see the article that the Battelle clowns got their mask sterilization process 'certified' by the government.
Posted by: Jean at April 04, 2020 11:58 AM (B7KlG)

Yes. they are only doing 2 weeks of free Sterilization then you have to pay

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 04, 2020 12:01 PM (dKiJG)

176 You notice how you don't hear of a given meme or You Tube video "Going Viral", these days?

hmmmm?



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (QzJWU)

177 Been looking for Calrose rice for more than a month. Tried again yesterday. Plenty of Basmati and Jasmine rice available but no Calrose. Now who in NOVA has been hoarding rice? I take the answer to be screw you round eye.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (QZCjk)

178 I don't understand mocking mask wearers

a lot of store workers and grocery workers are not allowed to wear masks coz it might make customers uncomfortable

think about that

I hope Trump's presser yesterday changed corporate 's minds
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:52 AM (G546f)


Oh, I think that's actually not what's going on here.

Some of us actually DO know how this stuff works, and if you are NOT wearing hospital grade PPE, you're not going to avoid infection by whatever means you are engaging in.

You're just not.

So as SOME of us have been pointing out, it's not really helpful, other than making you feel better about being out and about.

But Ace got it in his head this week that somehow South Korea had the answer, and it was everyone wearing masks. Which, if I lived in New York City, I'd probably be doing too.

But I don't.

So then then other part of this is the rather disconcerting kneejerk attitude of some people that it's their right to FORCE the rest of us to comply with their rules for OUR behavior.

The mockery mostly comes from that.

But for those of you who are terrified of becoming infected, I'm more concerned about how your stress levels are being elevated by this whole mess, and the health consequences of that are likely to dwarf the effects of this virus, when all is said and done.

Not to mention the incredible task we face of trying to force this oppressive government enforced social compliance back once all is said and done.

So if it looks like mockery, it's because I take this deadly seriously.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (hku12)

179 I will not wear a mask in my own home.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (IDhUW)

180 Sir, this is a cow pun thread.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 11:59 AM (9GniR)

I'm not a sir, dammit. That cheeses me off!

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (6ofTb)

181 I used the flat bendy wire things from my coffee bean bags (which fold the top of the bag over and bend the sides around to seal) to put in the tops of my vacuum cleaner bag masks, to shape around the bridge of the nose. Just made a little inner sleeve at the top of the mask and slid it in.

Posted by: skywch at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (Y/Ps0)

182 Subterranean Homesickness Blues topical song.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (PUmDY)

183 I'm being reduced to writing out slogans on my driveway in sidewalk chalk.

"Question Authority", or "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

I'd like to make sure the kids know that all adults are full of shit, all of the time. Maybe today's young-uns will become the Hero Generation, cause I don't think the Millennials are quite up to it.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (DY3v8)

184 I'm not a sir, dammit. That cheeses me off!
Posted by: Jordan61

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You know how it works around here Sister - pics for proof.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 04, 2020 12:03 PM (Y4EXg)

185 Good afternoon, Horde!

Posted by: Ladyl at April 04, 2020 12:03 PM (TdMsT)

186 159 Store personal wear masks it will encourage shoppers to do the same.
Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 11:58 AM (ZCEU2)


I guess if you're into following the crowd, this will be true. I'll risk not wearing one.

Tired of this shit.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 12:04 PM (Fs5vw)

187 Before the directive the other day by the CDC that masks are voluntary many suspected it might be mandatory and I was one who said I could see that coming. Even with voluntary that doesn't mean some petty dictator won't do it.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:04 PM (ZCEU2)

188 will not wear a mask in my own home.


I don't think that's a thing.

Posted by: dagny at April 04, 2020 12:04 PM (8HSj8)

189 hubby is swapping our old tv for the btoken one
looks pretty good

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:04 PM (G546f)

190 I resisted the plague nonsense for several weeks. Then I started thinking that PDT and the Feds know something I don't and it ain't pretty. I believe the Chinee had a little oops out of the Wuhan lab.
If I have to wear a mask to go out in public I will. Won't hurt me and may actually help. Who knows.
Now if 6 months from now we're stilled quarantined I may change my mind and have to reevaluate. Wearing a mask, even one I sewed myself is a small sacrifice compared to everything else going on.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 04, 2020 12:04 PM (JVgnl)

191 I will not wear a mask in my own home.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (IDhUW)


Agree, and what's more, I refuse to wear anything aside this protective coronavirus collar the nice lady told me to.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 12:04 PM (t+qrx)

192 Given all the competing sources lying at me, I am a bit undecided as to what is the proper course.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 04, 2020 12:01 PM (Y4EXg)

Three options:

1. an informed and effective resistance forms within the political system
2. Spontaneous mob eruptions at some point, which will probably be counter-productive
3. we surrender into total compliance.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 12:04 PM (H8QX8)

193 Now if the CDC mandates that I wear a codpiece, then I'm ready to comply.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (DY3v8)

194 also wearing a mask means no need for makeup while still looking better than barefaced

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (G546f)

195 My wife pointed out that DJT has a reputation as a "germophobe" and yet is declining to wear a mask. I am not sure what to make of that.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (m45I2)

196 Face mask with a big red-lipped Joker smile on it.

Funny not funny‽‽‽

Silence of the Lambs butterfly?

Posted by: mindful webworker
a webwork by any other name would something something
at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (AoLFQ)

197 But if wearing masks and gloves would open up the economy because we can get back to work, then heck yeah, I'll wear them happily. But if I am still in house arrest, nah.

Posted by: IC at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (a0IVu)

198
The lovely and cautious Mrs naturalfake wants me to wear a mask when I go to the store.

Meh.

I'll do it for her peace of mind.

And because I've noticed some people shopping who've let their hygiene slide.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (z0XD8)

199 So if it looks like mockery, it's because I take this deadly seriously.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (hku12)


Well, you certainly had me fooled!

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (E0PSG)

200 Something y'all might want to be aware of. I've got a very uncomfortable front-row seat for the COVID-19 outbreak in the US, due to where I live (north of Seattle). Also, there was a super-spreader outbreak near Anacortes at a choral practice. My cousin was there, and she came down with the coronavirus. Fortunately she is young and healthy and never got more than sniffles and loss of smell and is recovering nicely at home. (Her thoughtful husband tests if she's "better" by inflicting weird cocktails on her....)

However. This choral practice happened March 10, when we knew the virus was being spread locally. The choir people notified everyone if they even thought they might be sick, don't come. Everyone was greeted at the door with hand sanitizer, hugs and handshakes verboten. Chairs were deliberately spaced apart from each other. 60 people were present. Over 40 got sick and two have died. From sitting in a room singing for two hours.


My personal theory is the singing is what did them in, you do a lot of deep breathing and the like. Getting the virus inside the lungs from the start is bad. They suspect that is what gets some of the healthy medical types that have come down with it, they aspirate aerosol droplets from infected patients. So yes, I do think masks help. They keep the virus out and keep unaware infected from spreading it further. Now, how do we GET these masks they are thinking of requiring? Everybody is out of them!

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (exg7Q)

201 Now if the CDC mandates that I wear a codpiece, then I'm ready to comply.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie

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Sounds fishy.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (Y4EXg)

202 I think it's funny that the euros are bitching about Americans getting masks "intended" for them, when I don't recall anyone bitching about China not shipping any for months and nationalizing the supply.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:06 PM (ONvIw)

203

@167 -

Awww, ya took out the q.
I was kinda liking it.
Phone going on charger for a bit.

Give it a half hour then use the bat signal if you like.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2020 12:06 PM (DMcz+)

204 So just to fucking piss and trigger everyone off straight to hell Im making a bandana mask that says MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Other variations might be:

MAKE AMERICA CHINESE FREE AGAIN

MAKE AMERICA MANUFACTURE AGAIN

CHINA IS ASSHOE

Wear the masks with pride!

Posted by: Two Weeks Saying China Is ASSHOE at April 04, 2020 12:06 PM (+dsLj)

205 295 Trump should put the WH press core in a plexiglass box

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:06 PM (G546f)

206 vmom2020

The worker's at my grocery store had masks and gloves. Some had sneeze guard shield face mask covers. It did feel surreal but I was glad the store was taking care of employees.

Why that would freak someone out, I don't understand.

Posted by: Iris at April 04, 2020 12:06 PM (6lKe4)

207 If by chance a family member does get it a mask in your house would be essential, otherwise I can't see need. Save it for very public outings and wash it when you can meaning have a few to switch daily.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:07 PM (ZCEU2)

208 Trump should put the WH press core in a plexiglass box

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:06 PM (G546f)


The Cone of Silence

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 12:07 PM (IHjJr)

209 Robert, you said "Mood". Nobody got it.

Posted by: creeper at April 04, 2020 12:07 PM (XxJt1)

210 So if it looks like mockery, it's because I take this deadly seriously.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:02 PM (hku12)

Well done.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at April 04, 2020 12:07 PM (H8QX8)

211 Bill de Blasio Rejects Claim U.S. Knew Asymptomatic People Could Spread the Virus: Only Learned That 'In the Last 48 Hours'

This explains why NYC is in deep do-do

Posted by: SMOD at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (X5CsJ)

212 197
But if wearing masks and gloves would open up the economy because we can
get back to work, then heck yeah, I'll wear them happily. But if I am
still in house arrest, nah.

Posted by: IC at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (a0IVu)

Exactly.

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (6ofTb)

213 195 My wife pointed out that DJT has a reputation as a "germophobe" and yet is declining to wear a mask. I am not sure what to make of that.
Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (m45I2)

As we know, the n95s in particular are a bitch to wear. They are hot and uncomfortable. I find the 3Ms itchy. Surgical masks are better, but both are bad for a prolonger period.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (ONvIw)

214 My wife pointed out that DJT has a reputation as a "germophobe" and yet is declining to wear a mask. I am not sure what to make of that.
Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (m45I2)



Trump's trying to communicate with people when we see him.

Not a surprise that he doesn't wear a mask then.

The face communicates a lot. As a TV star/celeb, Trump knows this and wants to use that skill.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (z0XD8)

215 And what I'm struggling with is what is the appropriate response of an educated freedom loving American.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 11:59 AM (IDhUW)


If you live in an area with high infection rates, avoid people.

That's about the best I can offer. Do all that other stuff too, like washing your hands if you're going out. Take off clothes you wore outside and wash it. Keep your freakin' fingers out of your eyes.

Oh, and being outdoors has a much much lower risk of infection than being indoors around said people.

So this business about arresting people at parks for not "social distancing" is particularly disturbing.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (hku12)

216 think it's funny that the euros are bitching about Americans getting masks "intended" for them, when I don't recall anyone bitching about China not shipping any for months and nationalizing the supply.


Because we're the world's daddy and Santa claus. We're supposed to save them. They don't have to do shit.

Posted by: dagny at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (8HSj8)

217 You know how it works around here Sister - pics for proof.





Posted by: Tonypete at April 04, 2020 12:03 PM (Y4EXg)

Oh, that's me in the top pic on the right...

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (6ofTb)

218 anyway for sanitizing cloth masks they recommend pressure cooker or hoil for 15 min (adding salt is helpful)
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 11:34 AM (G546f)


And this is the only way to kill COVID-19?


OH MY F***ING GOD! WASHING MY HAND WITH SOAP IS NOT ENOUGH? I HAVE TO PRESSURE COOK THEM LIKE GREEN BEANS NOW!!!?!?!?!?


I suspect that is for actual, you know, masks for surgeries.

I am so tired. Be my guest everyone. Be afraid. Find new ways to be afraid. It is as good as being full TDS.

Find those endorphins while running with the panicked flock

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (rb4zU)

219 Muldoon, none of them are and neither are the WH press.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:09 PM (PUmDY)

220 A cashier is getting close interaction with lots of people so agree their job is hazardous. They have plastic shields and sanitizer, most wear gloves and everyone pushes to get into self checkout.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:09 PM (ZCEU2)

221 Yes. they are only doing 2 weeks of free Sterilization then you have to pay
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 04, 2020 12:01 PM (dKiJG)

The first taste is always free?

Posted by: Fox2! at April 04, 2020 12:09 PM (qyH+l)

222 Cow puns!!??

Yay!!!


Lactose Intolerance - a limerick

An overly sexualized cow
Threw a tantrum and caused quite a row
She said, "Hey there brudder!
Get yer hands off my udder!
You need written consent for that now."

Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 12:09 PM (m45I2)

223 db: I'm confused. Are they recommending masks for cows now?

Used to be we just had to have the methane traps on the cattles' back ends. That was bad enough. With the masks on the front end, grazing has become somewhat of a task.

It's a vegan plot, I tellz ya.

Posted by: mindful webworker
a webwork by any other name would something something
at April 04, 2020 12:09 PM (AoLFQ)

224 Trump should put the WH press core in a plexiglass box
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:06 PM (G546f)


With an array of primitive but ingenious weapons.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 12:09 PM (t+qrx)

225 131 The prez needs to stop this horseshit . Give us our country (and freedom) back now.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 11:51 AM (Fs5vw)

I can't imagine he's going to let this go on past the 30 days we're currently suffering. If he does, I'll never again have hope that any leader will ever fight the power.

I think he's been walking a tightrope and trying to balance medical expert opinion against public opinion and his own gut feelings about what we can withstand as a country, and economically. I sense that he thinks we've gone far enough, but if I'm wrong, well...it was a good run, America.

Posted by: April at April 04, 2020 12:10 PM (OX9vb)

226 Oh, that's me in the top pic on the right...
Posted by: Jordan61

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So, How you doin'?

Posted by: Tonypete at April 04, 2020 12:10 PM (Y4EXg)

227 I want a Tor Johnson mask

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 12:10 PM (CqE5x)

228 216 think it's funny that the euros are bitching about Americans getting masks "intended" for them, when I don't recall anyone bitching about China not shipping any for months and nationalizing the supply.


Because we're the world's daddy and Santa claus. We're supposed to save them. They don't have to do shit.
Posted by: dagny at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (8HSj

If 3M is really shunting US orders aside for higher foreign bids, then its the Euros who are undermining the supply chain and encouraging gouging. I don't mind the Canadians as much as Canada supplies a lot of the pulp for the product

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:10 PM (ONvIw)

229 Some dude just Tweeted:
"We could all be at the bar, but someone just had to eat a f*^king bat."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 04, 2020 12:10 PM (7Fj9P)

230 Are Klan masks acceptable?

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 12:10 PM (QZCjk)

231 My personal theory is the singing is what did them in, you do a lot of deep breathing and the like. Getting the virus inside the lungs from the start is bad.

==

Sabrina, I read about that too.
shallow breathes are better.
Saw a Japanese thing about micro droplets having the potential to stay in the air for 3 hours.
I'm glad your cousin is better!

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:10 PM (G546f)

232
If I gotta wear a mask, I'm going to-

carry a Marks-A-Lot and draw a big "Z" on the chest of everyone I meet
Posted by: naturalfake


These days you need a Marx-A-Lot.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 04, 2020 12:11 PM (aKsyK)

233 I dont goddamned trust a fucking thing that comes out the CDC.

MASKS DONT HELP ANYONE

MASKS ONLY PROTECT CARRIERS FROM SPREADING THE VIRUS, MAYBE

STOP BUYING MASKS YOU GO HOME NOW

OMG MASKS MIGHT HELP!

WHAT NO MASKS OK LETS WEAR ANTIFA BANDANAS

EVERYONE MUST WEAR MASKS NOW!!!11ELEVENTY

Fuck off.

Posted by: Two Weeks Saying China Is ASSHOE at April 04, 2020 12:11 PM (+dsLj)

234 WRT masks

1. Need eye coverage, how can this be done at home
2. Any issue with self amplifaction of viral load during an early stage infection
3. What's this do to other infectious agents, esp longer lived stuff

Posted by: Jean at April 04, 2020 12:11 PM (B7KlG)

235 194 also wearing a mask means no need for makeup while still looking better than barefaced
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (G546f)


I'm sure that's what muslim women think too.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 12:12 PM (Fs5vw)

236 Well I'd stay and lock horns with the anti-maskers, but I need to do some yardwork. I'm good with wearing a mask in public regardless of its 100% worthless for preventing viral spread cuz if I leave my phone at home, my car is so dirty the license plate is probably unreadable from a pic so I'll be invisible to big brother.

Later I should read the manual for my ozone generator. I think we could keep sanitizing the dust masks we have with ozone and eventually I'll figure out how to use it for freshening up the carpets and furniture. (I think I'll need to have the puppy outside when running so she won't rip off the plastic sheeting of whatever small area being targeted)

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at April 04, 2020 12:12 PM (T9Hmo)

237 I'm just confused about cow threads. What kind of threading would work on a cow? And what would you screw a cow into, anyway?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 04, 2020 12:12 PM (g8Yc+)

238 I would think if your all cloth mask was tossed in with towels washed in hot water it is going to be as clean as needed. The danger is not washing and all the pollen, germs other than Wuhan will build up and eventually you will breath them in.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:12 PM (ZCEU2)

239 Re: the choir contagion thing--been wondering, would the same thing have happened on the same scale if it had been swine flu?

Posted by: skywch at April 04, 2020 12:12 PM (Y/Ps0)

240 Wearing masks in public during a pandemic

Stopping at a stop sign where there may be other drivers

Why do we chafe at one but not the other?

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (ouBhA)

241 Are Klan masks acceptable?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 12:10 PM (QZCjk)

Won't know for sure until ya try!

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (9GniR)

242 Horses had gas masks in WWI why not cows now?

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (ZCEU2)

243 Trump should put the WH press core in a plexiglass box
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:06 PM (G546f)

With an array of primitive but ingenious weapons.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 12:09 PM (t+qrx)



And a series of ingenious deadly traps throughout the corridor leading to the exit.*





*Improved for entertainment value.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (z0XD8)

244 Off to mow and soak up some vitamin D.
Stay (reasonably) safe horde!

Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (E0PSG)

245 I'm sure that's what muslim women think too.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 12:12 PM (Fs5vw)

yeah, they rank number 1 for getting nose and eye plastic surgery

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (G546f)

246 I'm trying to decide if I want to work today or not...

The fountain in our pond is running at about half strength, which means there is something sucked into the intake screen or something partially blocking the output side.

It can't be properly worked on at the shore because you need about 3 feet of water to let it flow. So yesterday, I tried to get our little paddle boat drained and ready to use. It's filthy, having spent the winter next to the pond.

So, all it takes is working up the ambition to go do the job.

This may take a while.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (mrrpT)

247 this business about arresting people at parks for not "social distancing" is particularly disturbing.



Pablo and Paco were still having their guatemalan extended family village fests with soccer matches in the parks. They treat local parks like the village square in whatever shithole country they came from. Often with food trucks and music.

That's why.

They "social distance" while the cops drive by then resume their activities.

There's a middle school near me that I walk by. I've been watching it. They've had to lock up all the entrances to the field AND post a guard.

Posted by: dagny at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (8HSj8)

248 Anyway, now that the US knows it has to outbid the euros we'll see more masks here. I suspect we provided more equipment to China than the Euros did, as well.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:14 PM (ONvIw)

249 Re: the choir contagion thing--been wondering, would the same thing have happened on the same scale if it had been swine flu?
Posted by: skywch at April 04, 2020 12:12 PM (Y/Ps0)

Who is president? Obama or Trump?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 12:14 PM (CqE5x)

250 This cow thread needs more bell

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:15 PM (ZCEU2)

251 Are Klan masks acceptable?


Governor Northam doesn't have the 'rona yet, so yes.

Posted by: dagny at April 04, 2020 12:15 PM (8HSj8)

252 I haven't seen anyone mention decreasing efficiency of a fabric mask the longer you wear it in the course of a day. Consider that expired air contains moisture. Moisture on fabric promoted "wicking" of particles (dust, droplets, bacteria, viruses, etc) which can actually have the effect of increasing your exposure.

Missus Muldoon mentions that if you wear your mask into the restroom, envision what microbes are aerosolized while you do your business, when you flush the toilet, etc.

Surgical masks are meant to be worn for a relatively short time period, not continuously all day.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 12:16 PM (m45I2)

253 Trump should put the WH press core in a plexiglass box
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:06 PM (G546f)

With an array of primitive but ingenious weapons.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 12:09 PM (t+qrx)


And a series of ingenious deadly traps throughout the corridor leading to the exit.*





*Improved for entertainment value.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (z0XD


And riddles. Fiendishly cunning puzzles and riddles, with ironically appropriate penalties for failure.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 12:16 PM (t+qrx)

254 What is five people standing together on a corner have all tested negative for coronavirus?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 12:16 PM (CqE5x)

255 Pressure cooking green beans?

Who does that?

What is left of a green bean after it's pressure cooked?

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2020 12:16 PM (mrrpT)

256 Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 12:09 PM (m45I2)

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:16 PM (G546f)

257 1. an informed and effective resistance forms within the political system
-----
What would this look like?

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 12:16 PM (IDhUW)

258 vmom: I wore a mask when I went to Costco
cloth gloves too


t-bird: That's good thinking. No fingerprints, no usable surveillance footage.

This is true. I've been thinking about how wearing masks and gloves and all the rest is antithetical to the facial recognition surveillance society. Battle of the tyrannical memes!

Show your face! Don't breathe! Cover your face! Breathe! Rinse! Repeat! Backup! Slowdown! Speedup! Now Progress, Pedal to the Metal! THERE ARE FOUR HORSEMEN!

Posted by: mindful webworker
a webwork by any other name would something something
at April 04, 2020 12:17 PM (AoLFQ)

259 Are Klan masks acceptable?
Posted by: Puddin Head

Only at Trump rallys

Posted by: Jean at April 04, 2020 12:17 PM (B7KlG)

260 everyone pushes to get into self checkout.

At my grocery they've shut down half the self checkout stations to maintain separation and wipe them down after every use. As of yesterday my area had 1 case.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 12:17 PM (ExV1e)

261 What did that Asian bint ask Trump that got him pissed off at yesterday's presser? I had the sound off.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 12:17 PM (CqE5x)

262 That third picture...the blue masks with the little circle patterns on them. I immediately thought of a mens' underwear pouch. We could all just rig up some men's drawers at throw them on our faces. Pouch already there for convenient breathing room!

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 04, 2020 12:17 PM (JoUsr)

263 A flat green rectangle.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:18 PM (PUmDY)

264 And riddles. Fiendishly cunning puzzles and riddles, with ironically appropriate penalties for failure.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 12:16 PM (t+qrx)
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Life hasn't been the same since that Oedipus guy.

Posted by: The Sphinx of Thebes at April 04, 2020 12:18 PM (g8Yc+)

265 AmericanKestrel: And what I'm struggling with is what is the appropriate response of an educated freedom loving American.

And that, my friends, is the crux of the current biscuit.

Posted by: mindful webworker
a webwork by any other name would something something
at April 04, 2020 12:19 PM (AoLFQ)

266 I dont goddamned trust a fucking thing that comes out the CDC.

MASKS DONT HELP ANYONE

MASKS ONLY PROTECT CARRIERS FROM SPREADING THE VIRUS, MAYBE

STOP BUYING MASKS YOU GO HOME NOW

OMG MASKS MIGHT HELP!

WHAT NO MASKS OK LETS WEAR ANTIFA BANDANAS

EVERYONE MUST WEAR MASKS NOW!!!11ELEVENTY

Fuck off.
Posted by: Two Weeks Saying China Is ASSHOE at April 04, 2020 12:11 PM (+dsLj)


As I'm reading this, I'm picturing a pride of lions, leisurely meandering at the edge of a buffalo heard... and with every gentle change of direction from the lions, the buffalo heard, en mass, stampede off in this direction then that, and back again.

And in the end, the lions get the slowest of the herd anyway.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:19 PM (hku12)

267
They Angus alone if we don't Angus together.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 12:19 PM (z0XD8)

268 Sounds fishy.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 04, 2020 12:05 PM (Y4EXg)

Nah, he's just being koi.

Posted by: April at April 04, 2020 12:19 PM (OX9vb)

269 At my grocery they've shut down half the self checkout stations to maintain separation and wipe them down after every use. As of yesterday my area had 1 case.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 12:17 PM (ExV1e)


Meijer here has the lane where you scan everything on your way through the store on your phone, then the 'checkout' is a cashier spot-checking two or three random items and waving you through. They never had anybody but me in them before, and so far, nobody's been rushing to use them.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 12:20 PM (t+qrx)

270 1. an informed and effective resistance forms within the political system
-----
What would this look like?

****************************

Operation Valkyrie maybe?

That attempt and genius resistance to overthrow Hitler might have actually worked because the bomb literally exploded next to him. Just really bad luck that it didn't take his head off.

Posted by: Two Weeks Saying China Is ASSHOE at April 04, 2020 12:20 PM (+dsLj)

271 I dunno why ppl think self checkout is safer unless there's someone disonfecting it between customers?

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:20 PM (G546f)

272 Liz Wheeler
@Liz_Wheeler
China wins a seat on the U.N. Human Rights Council panel to help select other human rights officials.

After starting a global pandemic.

And LYING about it.

While they disappear whistleblowers.

And deny imprisoning 1M Uighur Muslims.

Only at the U.N. (Which WE fund.)

Posted by: WuHAN Solo at April 04, 2020 12:20 PM (Rg3Mf)

273 And I want add if heavy breathing is a risk factor the Horde is in deep, deep trouble...

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at April 04, 2020 12:20 PM (exg7Q)

274 If you live in an area with high infection rates, avoid people.

That's about the best I can offer. Do all that other stuff too, like washing your hands if you're going out. Take off clothes you wore outside and wash it. Keep your freakin' fingers out of your eyes.

Oh, and being outdoors has a much much lower risk of infection than being indoors around said people.

So this business about arresting people at parks for not "social distancing" is particularly disturbing.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (hku12)
----
This is common sense and easily practiced by a natural introvert.

I don't want this situation to be used to fundamentally change America..... Some more, unless it is in freedom restoration ways.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 12:20 PM (IDhUW)

275 Are Confederate bandannas acceptable?

Will Crips shoot you on sight if you were a red bandanna?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 12:21 PM (CqE5x)

276 So precious, why do we chafe at one and not the other? Get in line zek.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 12:21 PM (SwWMX)

277 everyone pushes to get into self checkout.
----------------
At my grocery they've shut down half the self checkout stations to maintain separation and wipe them down after every use. As of yesterday my area had 1 case.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 12:17 PM (ExV1e)


Assuming they're still limiting self-checkout to maybe as much as 20 items or less, that would mean folks are taking more and more trips to the store... so they can avoid the regular checkout lanes.

Brilliant.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:21 PM (hku12)

278 I'm doing these for family and friends who want them. Just sent a batch to the sibling who took the family to their second home in CA, where the beaches were promptly closed...

I wear them in public, b/c I have seasonal allergies and am a surprise sneezer. And rub my eyes, so it's a good reminder to me to keep my hands off my face.

I have plenty of fabric- it only takes a bit- but elastic will run out soon.

AFAIK- we are still 0 for tested positive cases in our county here in Central TX.

Posted by: Sal at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (bo8pf)

279 >>So precious, why do we chafe at one and not the other? Get in line zek.

Will there be camps?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (ZLI7S)

280 263 A flat green rectangle.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:18 PM (PUmDY)


Correction: A tasteless flat green rectangle.

Next time, toss the green beans into boiling water for not more than 2 minutes. Drain and put them into ice water. Miracle of miracles, they'll turn a brilliant and appetizing green. A few minutes before you're ready to serve, put the beans in a saute pan with a little olive oil, salt and pepper. Toss them around and warm them through. Done.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (mrrpT)

281 In tune with the public, Mr Macron proclaimed this week that the pandemic has "changed the world" and signalled the return of the protective state in the face of globalisation. "

Getting ready to grill some burgers, but chew on this

Macron was requesting 1billin masks from Xi and they said "we'll give them to you if you implement 5G Huawei "

Blackmail to take over communications.

This was Mark Green (R-TN), House Homeland Security Committee saying this a short while ago.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (8fB/R)

282 Local Detroit paper this morning had some news that Michigan State University has found a way to recycle N95 masks using a commercial convection oven. Sounds like they basically bake it, then seal it in plastic for a couple of days. We'll see how many weeks it takes for the FDA to think about considering this process.

The article about the severity of symptoms being related to the "dose" of virus received confirms what I was thinking weeks ago. If someone infected coughs in your face just as you inhale it has to be worse than picking up a small amount and brushing it on the end of your nose. A 50 y/o bus driver here contracted the disease a few days after a woman on his bus was coughing up a storm. He died after a few days of symptoms.

With these young people getting seriously ill makes me wonder how big a dose they got. But there are enough people getting sick in this area that I wonder if we still don't know enough about how this virus works.

Ultimately I think everyone has to get it at some level or get a vaccine and with our family situation it means we have to be isolated as much as possible, masked when we go out, and do all the washing/sanitizing stuff.

I will never buy another thing from China.

Posted by: George V at April 04, 2020 12:23 PM (U2Tva)

283 Think of this as practice, for when China finally gets their Gwailo Bioweapon right

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:23 PM (G546f)

284

The only solution is to dress in full space suits. It's the only way to protect us from the plague

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 12:23 PM (IHjJr)

285 What did that Asian bint ask Trump that got him pissed off at yesterday's presser? I had the sound off.

Asked what Jared Kushner meant by "ours" in terms of medical stockpile.

She was trying to catch Trump in saying they were hoarding medical equipment only for themselves WHILE THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS DYING.

Another fucking smunty scrunt hack.

Posted by: Two Weeks Saying China Is ASSHOE at April 04, 2020 12:23 PM (+dsLj)

286 The truly comical thing is that not only do 90 plus pct of the masks get produced and shipped from China, the constituent components we will have to make improvised masks from, come from China as well.

We need a better collection of masterminds.

Posted by: Inspector Johnson at April 04, 2020 12:24 PM (U8WBs)

287 >>> I resisted the plague nonsense for several weeks. Then I started thinking that PDT and the Feds know something I don't and it ain't pretty. I believe the Chinee had a little oops out of the Wuhan lab.



Kun Flu Freakout is orders of magnitude beyond what is needed for a bug that kills maybe 1% of the infected.

This Freakout might have been justified if Kung Flu was as bad as VX. Soooooo.... world wide commie conspiracy to get countries to crash their own economies or....

Kung Flu is 90% lethal after everything looks hunkie dorie for six months.

If the Freakout was a hoax it s not like the Administration is going to sat that now.




Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2020 12:24 PM (1g7ch)

288 I heard somewhere that vacuum cleaner bags would make good material for a mask. It's close to the sort of tough paper the bought masks are made of, and they do stop particles from getting through, as they're designed to stop dust and dirt from escaping into the machine. I might give that a try. Just need a pattern.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at April 04, 2020 12:24 PM (1co9i)

289 Let's look to the French for a solution. That always works.

Posted by: klaftern at April 04, 2020 12:24 PM (RuIsu)

290 Macron was requesting 1billin masks from Xi and they said "we'll give them to you if you implement 5G Huawei "

Blackmail to take over communications.

This was Mark Green (R-TN), House Homeland Security Committee saying this a short while ago.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (8fB/R)

And will Macron rail against this, or will he just blame the US for not handing him masks and wiping his ass?

China held shipments of masks as they needed them: GREAT

US held shipments of masks because they needed them: CRIME against humanity.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (ONvIw)

291 Only at the U.N. (Which WE fund.)
Posted by: WuHAN Solo at April 04, 2020 12:20 PM (Rg3Mf)


This has to change. Fuck that place and its WHO circle jerk buddies. Kick them out of the country.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (y7DUB)

292 Posted by: Sal at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (bo8pf)

What county is that? I don't see a lot of centex that's clear.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (ExV1e)

293 Let's look to the French for a solution. That always works.

Posted by: klaftern at April 04, 2020 12:24 PM (RuIsu)


Don't bathe and smoke a lot?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (IHjJr)

294 btw HBO is doing a free month of selected shows

Silicon Valley is freaking funny

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (G546f)

295 288 I heard somewhere that vacuum cleaner bags would make good material for a mask. It's close to the sort of tough paper the bought masks are made of, and they do stop particles from getting through, as they're designed to stop dust and dirt from escaping into the machine. I might give that a try. Just need a pattern.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at April 04, 2020 12:24 PM (1co9i)

Yep, the Cambridge study rates this material highly

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (ONvIw)

296 Oh yeah. What's with Lou Diamond Phillips and Tonya Harding?

Posted by: klaftern at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (RuIsu)

297 Even if I refuse to wear a mask do clean my hands when I get in my truck

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (ZCEU2)

298 276 So precious, why do we chafe at one and not the other? Get in line zek.
Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 12:21 PM (SwWMX)


So you're saying we ought not consider what are appropriate levels of cooperation when living in a society?

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (ouBhA)

299 will someone please explain how creating a warm, moist patch of cloth, with no effective bar to pathogens is going to do anything besides create a safe haven for said pathogens as they transit the kabuki protection and enter either my respiratory system, or my home?

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 04, 2020 12:26 PM (vwf8z)

300 I dunno why ppl think self checkout is safer unless there's someone disonfecting it between customers?
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:20 PM (G546f)

I was at H-E-B the other day to do something at customer service. So they have these things on the floor indicating six feet of separation, right? But something hit me... the line is U-shaped!

So if the dude directly ahead of me is six feet away the next dude ahead of him is like two feet to my right.

I've been saying this, not here mind you, but I've been saying the other name for "social distancing" may as well be "security theater".

As Insty says, I'll believe it's a real crisis when people act like it's a real crisis.

Posted by: Robert at April 04, 2020 12:27 PM (9GniR)

301 So, so far in the fucking rabbit hole we are.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 04, 2020 12:27 PM (EgS06)

302 Good points, Muldoon. Also, surgical masks are worn in an environment that is already as sterile as possible. We're not asking a lot of them to begin with. I can't see how they would be effective in the open.

Posted by: creeper at April 04, 2020 12:27 PM (XxJt1)

303 Dagny,

I lol about you describing you 16 yo son.

I have 3 kids, 10, 12, & 13, and I can relate. I don't have time to structure their every waking moment. While I am working from home, I do actually have to work. Same with my husband. Next week they formally start online learn. I can't get them out of bed before mid afternoon. There have been many mornings where they are still awake when I get up at 7. Mean while Austin ISD is closed for the rest of the school year and they are pushing me to register my kids for next school year. How about you finish teach my kids this year first then I'll decide?

Posted by: lin-duh at April 04, 2020 12:27 PM (UUBmN)

304 Old fashion trend "better dead than red" t-shirts
New fashion trend "better red than dead" masks

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 12:27 PM (SwWMX)

305 KTY suggested hooded capes for outside wear

going retro plague

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:27 PM (G546f)

306 Bloomberg Economics@economics
Hold the outrage. Wet markets are a healthy alternative to supermarkets,

-
Good to know.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 04, 2020 12:28 PM (+y/Ru)

307 I like how this is constantly mutating to become indefensible. Evil shit.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:28 PM (PUmDY)

308 I bring John McAfee not because I agree with him but for entertainment. Notice at one spot Daniela can barely restrain laughter.

Daniela Cambone with John "Apacolypse Now" McAffee.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ttxnshw

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (lnWzE)

309 Posted by: creeper at April 04, 2020 12:27 PM (XxJt1)

Also, surgical masks are worn to keep pathogens in, not out.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (ExV1e)

310 I went to get gas today, and as I mused how to hold the nozzle with a tissue and press the buttons with another, it occurred to me that we really should bring back full-serve gas stations.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (1co9i)

311 TBH kids are public schooled by day drinkers.

Posted by: BluesFish at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (FW0lq)

312 Jordan61: I'm not a sir, dammit. That cheeses me off!

RU serius? I most respectfully suggest that you live with it. Jordan sounds like a guy's name, so laugh off any confusion. I was a while figuring it out. But I watch for clues and make no presumptions. Others not so much.

Another one among us who intentionally did not "come out" for a while was our dear FenelonSpoke, whose handle may still cause newcomers confusion.

We'z all jus' folks here.

I learned not to presume 'way back in the pre-web CompuServe days - that guy named Big Butch, the Pounder of Wimps? Yeah, turns out she was a slight teenage girl. Reversal on the usual basement denizen nerd pretending to be a teen girl.

Posted by: mindful webworker
webworks make lasting investments
at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (AoLFQ)

313 302 Good points, Muldoon. Also, surgical masks are worn in an environment that is already as sterile as possible. We're not asking a lot of them to begin with. I can't see how they would be effective in the open.
Posted by: creeper at April 04, 2020 12:27 PM (XxJt1)

Sure we are. We're wearing them around patients with active infections, patients that have to be fed, medicated and assisted and not with a 6ft safety buffer.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (ONvIw)

314 299 you are supposed to insert a sheet of disposable non woven material in between the cloth to act as a barroer

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (G546f)

315 Will there be camps?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (ZLI7S)

Ummmmmmmm......Da.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (Z+IKu)

316 Where do I get the China is Asshole bumper sticker?

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 12:30 PM (QZCjk)

317
Oh God, I hope we don't see a bunch of lame Punisher cloth masks.

Posted by: Sapwolf at April 04, 2020 12:30 PM (nuv3n)

318 Cleaning my truck inside out should be my next job.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:30 PM (ZCEU2)

319 240 Wearing masks in public during a pandemic

Stopping at a stop sign where there may be other drivers

Why do we chafe at one but not the other?
Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:13 PM (ouBhA)
----
Fair question
A) stop signs have more or less importance depending on density of traffic and most people act accordingly.
2) the constant lying from our betters makes me doubtful of the importance of their declarations.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 12:31 PM (IDhUW)

320 306 Bloomberg Economics@economics
Hold the outrage. Wet markets are a healthy alternative to supermarkets,


==

it's nice that they translate the ChiCom.press releases for us

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:31 PM (G546f)

321 category dairy, and the answer is "udder destruction"

.. buzzz...


What do you get when a milk cow jumps a barb wire fence?

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 12:31 PM (Cus5s)

322 >So precious, why do we chafe at one and not the other? Get in line zek.


One is for imminent well-recognized danger the other is for passive, the-government-and-the-always-afraid telling you it might be dangerous.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 12:31 PM (Fs5vw)

323 314:

Here are the recommended strategies for fabric and how they were tested: https://tinyurl.com/vegygzu

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:32 PM (ONvIw)

324 Posted by: mindful webworker
webworks make lasting investments
at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (AoLFQ)

Of course I wasn't serious. I was playing into the cow pun (cheese).

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 04, 2020 12:32 PM (6ofTb)

325 @316
There are specialty sites that will make you any bumper sticker you want, the kicker is that they are made in some guys apartment in Yuan Province.

You can usually get them in a week though.

Posted by: Inspector Johnson at April 04, 2020 12:32 PM (U8WBs)

326 What is left of a green bean after it's pressure cooked?
Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2020 12:16 PM (mrrpT)


Yummy tasty canned green beans that don't kill the entire family from botulism next February.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 12:32 PM (rb4zU)

327 318 Cleaning my truck inside out should be my next job.
Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:30 PM (ZCEU2)


That reminds me, I've got to go start up my beaters to see if the batteries are still up.

Haven't gone anywhere in weeks and when we do go, it's in the wife's car.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2020 12:33 PM (mrrpT)

328 Macron was requesting 1billin masks from Xi and they said "we'll give them to you if you implement 5G Huawei "

Blackmail to take over communications.

This was Mark Green (R-TN), House Homeland Security Committee saying this a short while ago.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (8fB/R)

And will Macron rail against this, or will he just blame the US for not handing him masks and wiping his ass?

China held shipments of masks as they needed them: GREAT

US held shipments of masks because they needed them: CRIME against humanity.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (ONvIw)




The Chinese have a plan in place to infect the entire 5G internet through their Huawei products (phones).

Huawei is a known Chinese gov't/military front for gathering info and hacking. That's why so many countries pulled the plug on their phone products last year.

So, surprise! A virus is released which gives them the ability to arm-twist the rest of the world into using products which will give them a YUGE upper hand in the next big consumer technological breakthrough.

Imagine that.


CHINA

For All Your Infective Viral Needs!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 12:33 PM (z0XD8)

329 92 Posted by: Sal at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (bo8pf)

What county is that? I don't see a lot of centex that's clear.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 12:25 PM (ExV1e)

Bosque. Actually, we did have one- some guy who drove up from Waco, b/c the testing line was too long there. They sent him back home, afterwards.

Posted by: Sal at April 04, 2020 12:33 PM (bo8pf)

330 If you live in the land of pollen, find a gas station with an automated car wash.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:33 PM (PUmDY)

331 I went to get gas today, and as I mused how to hold the nozzle with a tissue and press the buttons with another, it occurred to me that we really should bring back full-serve gas stations.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (1co9i)


Hmmm, so who's going to do those jobs. Not Amerkins.... Say! Let's get the messicans. They got a bunch o them south of teh border, just dying to work!!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:33 PM (hku12)

332 2) the constant lying from our betters makes me doubtful of the importance of their declarations.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 12:31 PM (IDhUW)


Yep. That lying is a HUGE violation of the social contract. Makes it much harder to make good decisions for ourselves if we can't trust information.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:34 PM (ouBhA)

333



Also, surgical masks are worn in an environment that is already as sterile as possible. We're not asking a lot of them to begin with. I can't see how they would be effective in the open.
Posted by: creeper


*******

Yup.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 12:34 PM (m45I2)

334 To the tune of Climb Every Mountain



Read every article
Follow every link
Reply to every comment
Til you can not think

Posted by: mindful webworker
webworks make lasting investments
at April 04, 2020 12:34 PM (AoLFQ)

335 299 you are supposed to insert a sheet of disposable non woven material in between the cloth to act as a barroer

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 04, 2020 12:29 PM (G546f)

---
plastic wrap?

aluminum foil?

chip board?

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 04, 2020 12:34 PM (vwf8z)

336 Eyes wide open plague masks, robes, and nudity underneath are recommended for the 'ettes

Posted by: Jean at April 04, 2020 12:35 PM (B7KlG)

337 Oh God, I hope we don't see a bunch of lame Punisher cloth masks.
Posted by: Sapwolf at April 04, 2020 12:30 PM (nuv3n)



Prediction: You will see a bunch of lame Punisher cloth masks.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 12:35 PM (z0XD8)

338 Emmie, appropriate levels of cooperation are staying home if you are sick, washing your hands and not behaving like a commissar.

90 deaths in Texas as of today - we are at 1000 plus suicides and 1000 plus road fatalities in the same period - the mask reaction to be relatable to those facts would be what? Why haven't they been done? Personal freedom = personal responsibility.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 12:35 PM (SwWMX)

339 Yeah, I think a mask could become your own personal vector. Wear it to the store then wash it.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 12:35 PM (lnWzE)

340

Q: Where do you get dragon milk?



A: From a short-legged cow

Posted by: Muldoon at April 04, 2020 12:35 PM (m45I2)

341 We have 15 confirmed cases in a county of 65k. (.0002%). Nope, not wearing a mask.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 12:35 PM (Dhht7)

342 Sapwolf count on it
Thinking zombie masks with rotting mouth busted open

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:36 PM (ZCEU2)

343 In Jersey the gas attendants are old guys whose 401k's were crushed after their jobs offshored and they were laid off during the reign of the Mocha Messiah.

Posted by: BluesFish at April 04, 2020 12:36 PM (FW0lq)

344 In a previous thread people were talking about disbanding the FBI. Horrors, who would protect our rights by enforcing 18 USC 241 and 242? I shouldn't laugh at my own jokes.

Posted by: An Observation at April 04, 2020 12:36 PM (gJwMg)

345 You have to admit, Cameron Diaz was pretty damn hot in The Mask.

Now, a mask would look better on her.

Of course, I may have aged a bit myself over the last 25 years.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 04, 2020 12:36 PM (DY3v8)

346 290 Macron was requesting 1billin masks from Xi and they said "we'll give them to you if you implement 5G Huawei "

Blackmail to take over communications.

This was Mark Green (R-TN), House Homeland Security Committee saying this a short while ago.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (8fB/R)
----------

Just wow. I don't know who learned from who but Xi and the Democrats have the "Don't let a crises go to waste" theory down pat.

Posted by: WisRich at April 04, 2020 12:36 PM (OAlmw)

347 'There have been many mornings where they are still awake when I get up at 7.'

I fixed that problem by turning off their internet and threating to take their computers.

Posted by: freaked at April 04, 2020 12:37 PM (Tnijr)

348 Wyoming still hasn't had 1 death yet, ok there are only 100 people in the entire state but still.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:37 PM (ZCEU2)

349 A question for the horde:

If you were to cast Dave Grohl as Ted, rather than Keanu, then what rock musician would you cast as Bill?

Of course Bill and Ted are awful musicians but we will overlook this.

Posted by: BourbonChicken with Face Colander at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (LxTcq)

350 290 Macron was requesting 1billin masks from Xi and they said "we'll give them to you if you implement 5G Huawei "

Blackmail to take over communications.

This was Mark Green (R-TN), House Homeland Security Committee saying this a short while ago.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2020 12:22 PM (8fB/R)

And Macron will use that blackmail threat to blackmail the US. Not sure which of the fuckers I hate more.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (ONvIw)

351 299 will someone please explain how creating a warm, moist patch of cloth, with no effective bar to pathogens is going to do anything besides create a safe haven for said pathogens as they transit the kabuki protection and enter either my respiratory system, or my home?
Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 04, 2020 12:26 PM (vwf8z)

I got nothing

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (IDhUW)

352 >>Hmmm, so who's going to do those jobs. Not Amerkins.... Say! Let's get the messicans. They got a bunch o them south of teh border, just dying to work!!

We have this whole group of people who are constantly looking for entry level jobs. We call them teenagers.

I pumped gas in high school. I think we can teach the average teenager today how to handle the technology.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)

353 Meijer here has the lane where you scan everything on your way through the store on your phone, then the 'checkout' is a cashier spot-checking two or three random items and waving you through. They never had anybody but me in them before, and so far, nobody's been rushing to use them.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 12:20 PM (t+qrx)

------------------------------

Sam's has an app for your phone. You scan stuff as you put it in the cart, pay from the phone, and then just show a barcode to the person at the exit. They scan it, and then scan 1 item in your cart. And you're done.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (CAJOC)

354 90 deaths in Texas as of today - we are at 1000 plus suicides and 1000 plus road fatalities in the same period - the mask reaction to be relatable to those facts would be what? Why haven't they been done? Personal freedom = personal responsibility.
Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 12:35 PM (SwWMX)


Thank you. That response addresses my question.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (ouBhA)

355 will someone please explain how creating a warm,
moist patch of cloth, with no effective bar to pathogens is going to do
anything besides create a safe haven for said pathogens as they transit
the kabuki protection and enter either my respiratory system, or my
home?
Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 04, 2020 12:26 PM (vwf8z)




I said, take your shoes off.

Posted by: Your respectful TSA worker striving for your comfort, self respect, and safety at April 04, 2020 12:39 PM (rb4zU)

356 I want a mask of petrified pressure cooked green beans.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:39 PM (PUmDY)

357

Everybody needs Chinese 5G so they can watch Chinese movies on their Chinese phones.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 04, 2020 12:39 PM (aKsyK)

358 You have to admit, Cameron Diaz was pretty damn hot in The Mask.

Now, a mask would look better on her.

Of course, I may have aged a bit myself over the last 25 years.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 04, 2020 12:36 PM (DY3v


Yes. Too bad she didn't retire then along with Jim Carrey.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 04, 2020 12:40 PM (y7DUB)

359 I am immune suppressed. I don't wear a mask. I go to the store. I probably will kill off the entire population of Walworth County.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:40 PM (lwiT4)

360 "Also, surgical masks are worn to keep pathogens in, not out."

and yet a study of nurses in a flu environment found both (surgical and N-95) performed equally at prevention for the nurses.


it was linked here a few times ... kinda makes sense to me ... the virus mostly rides on small droplets/vapor ... so the mask just needs to stop the mist, not the tinier virus. ... same for the cloth mask, though they were a less effective iirc.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 12:40 PM (Cus5s)

361 will someone please explain how creating a warm, moist patch of cloth, with no effective bar to pathogens is going to do anything besides create a safe haven for said pathogens as they transit the kabuki protection and enter either my respiratory system, or my home?
Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 04, 2020 12:26 PM (vwf8z)

I got nothing
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (IDhUW)


I shall repeat, paraphrasing a rather well known (but not working under CDC/WHO) virologist: The difference between having 100 machine guns firing at you (not wearing mask) and having 1 machine gun firing at you (wearing mask).

Either way, the bullets are gonna hit you.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:41 PM (hku12)

362 We have this whole group of people who are constantly looking for entry level jobs. We call them teenagers.

I pumped gas in high school. I think we can teach the average teenager today how to handle the technology.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)


Too bad we are not allowed to pay inexperienced workers commensurate with the value they generate.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:41 PM (ouBhA)

363
Sam's has an app for your phone. You scan stuff as you put it in the cart, pay from the phone, and then just show a barcode to the person at the exit. They scan it, and then scan 1 item in your cart. And you're done.
Posted by: No One of Consequence


I suppose I will eventually have to break down and buy a smart phone if I want to engage in commerce. Sort of a mark of the beast.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 04, 2020 12:42 PM (aKsyK)

364 Any idea on wether this plague is hitting wymyns and minorities hardest?

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 12:42 PM (QZCjk)

365 Wearing masks in public during a pandemic
Stopping at a stop sign where there may be other drivers
Why do we chafe at one but not the other?


Yet another example of Stockholm Syndrome.

So Karen, if the government tells you to wear a gimp suit, you will be one of the first ones calling the authorities with a muffled voice reporting on your non-complying neighbor.

Posted by: 🐧 at April 04, 2020 12:42 PM (uYQjf)

366 Has anyone seen the Stones Hampton Tattoo You full show? Holy crap.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:42 PM (PUmDY)

367 Not sure if this has already been mentioned or not but...for those that are interested:

@HawleyMO

FINALLY at 10:39 last night the SBA issued new guidance clarifying that churches & religious nonprofits DO qualify for Paycheck Protection loans (which are forgivable). This is a victory - and what Congress clearly wrote in the law

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 12:43 PM (cF8AT)

368 and yet a study of nurses in a flu environment found both (surgical and N-95) performed equally at prevention for the nurses.


it was linked here a few times ... kinda makes sense to me ... the virus mostly rides on small droplets/vapor ... so the mask just needs to stop the mist, not the tinier virus. ... same for the cloth mask, though they were a less effective iirc.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 12:40 PM (Cus5s)

Yes, and what you sneeze or cough into the mask will have greater pressure than the stuff coughed form 6ft AT you. If masks were ineffective, we'd tell medical staff not to bother wearing them around infectious patients. But no, you wear a mask and eye protection.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:43 PM (ONvIw)

369 Grohl as Ted, going with Phil Collins as Bill

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 12:43 PM (SwWMX)

370 I suppose I will eventually have to break down and buy a smart phone if I want to engage in commerce. Sort of a mark of the beast.

Thorn Industries is coming out with its new 666 Model. Once you break the seal, it's yours forever. I strongly advise you get one.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 04, 2020 12:43 PM (DY3v8)

371 I'll wear a mask if it says MAGA!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2020 12:44 PM (dLLD6)

372 I pumped gas in high school. I think we can teach the average teenager today how to handle the technology.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)


Ha! Only if they can do it behind a computer screen, with a joystick in their hands.

Teenagers... bah.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:44 PM (hku12)

373 Lots of those starting jobs are done by illegals in my view.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:44 PM (ZCEU2)

374 Grandpa, what did you do in the Great Hunkering Down?

Why Little Boo, I was a hero.
I did jack shit.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 04, 2020 12:45 PM (9TdxA)

375 Either way, the bullets are gonna hit you.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:41 PM (hku12)

---
no they aren't...

Frank is in NZ, and even a 50 cal won't carry from there to #Failifornia.

i'm safe.

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 04, 2020 12:45 PM (vwf8z)

376 372 I pumped gas in high school. I think we can teach the average teenager today how to handle the technology.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)


Ha! Only if they can do it behind a computer screen, with a joystick in their hands.

Teenagers... bah.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:44 PM (hku12)

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Uh, yeah.... joystick...

Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 04, 2020 12:45 PM (CAJOC)

377 I am immune suppressed. I don't wear a mask. I go to the store. I probably will kill off the entire population of Walworth County.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:40 PM (lwiT4)


Dammit! And now you've infected all of us here too!

Someone call the gestapo!!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:45 PM (hku12)

378 373 Lots of those starting jobs are done by illegals in my view.
Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:44 PM (ZCEU2)

they have displaced the lawn cutting neighbor boys of yesteryear

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:45 PM (ONvIw)

379 Posted by: at April 04, 2020 12:42 PM (uYQjf)

It's interesting some of the responses I'm getting to this thought experiment. Like assuming I'm some kind of busybody.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:46 PM (ouBhA)

380 Are Pelosi, Schumer, and Schiff wearing masks? I didn't think so.

Posted by: freaked at April 04, 2020 12:47 PM (Tnijr)

381 Also, surgical masks are worn to keep pathogens in, not out.

-
These are my pathogens and you can't have them!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 04, 2020 12:47 PM (+y/Ru)

382 One of my friends is ENRAGED that the Comfort isn't taking on COVID-19 patients. Because the NYT posted an article with a hospital administrator saying, "It's a joke."

She should know that the medical ships aren't designed for plagues anymore. But Orange Man Bad while simultaneously Government Needs to Do Things Now.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at April 04, 2020 12:47 PM (/+bwe)

383 Masks made from jock straps. For those of you that frighten easily. Y'all need to think out of the box.

I'll pass on all of this bullshit.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 12:47 PM (Fs5vw)

384 I am immune suppressed. I don't wear a mask. I go to the store. I probably will kill off the entire population of Walworth County.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:40 PM (lwiT4)


You should probably be shamed to tears and mocked, or else not, depending on the whims of whatever we're advocating at the moment. But we definitely need to be very angry about things, and I'll let you know what those are as soon as I've worked out whether I'm a busybody yenta Karen or a self-diagnosed epidemiologist.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 12:47 PM (t+qrx)

385 Mick is very outrageous in it, and everyone is enjoying the hell out of it.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:47 PM (PUmDY)

386 Not sure if this has already been mentioned or not but...for those that are interested:



@HawleyMO



FINALLY at 10:39 last night the SBA issued new guidance clarifying
that churches religious nonprofits DO qualify for Paycheck
Protection loans (which are forgivable). This is a victory - and what
Congress clearly wrote in the law

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 12:43 PM (cF8AT)



Thanks Tami. We have been pursuing this all week with our church. Getting the neccessary forms and paperwork together. Treasurer and Chief Elder axed it yesterday. They want the church shut down. Won't take the forgivable loan. Told Rev not to report to the office. He is currently at the office, taping a sermon for tomorrow to put online. Probably without pay for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:48 PM (lwiT4)

387 >>Ha! Only if they can do it behind a computer screen, with a joystick in their hands.

>>Teenagers... bah.

Not the case around here. This is a resort area and it could not function without lots of kids working in the restaurants, marinas, hotels, etc.. So many in fact that they are imported around the high season to handle the load.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 12:48 PM (ZLI7S)

388 351 299 will someone please explain how creating a warm, moist patch of cloth, with no effective bar to pathogens is going to do anything besides create a safe haven for said pathogens as they transit the kabuki protection and enter either my respiratory system, or my home?
Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 04, 2020 12:26 PM (vwf8z)


Assuming short term, clean use. Best affect it. creates a barrier from you to others secondarily it does reduce the amount of virus that you inhale.

I think they don't know all they want to know about transmission, it's like we're in the 19th century but trying the things we know.
- Don't touch it. Don't breath it. Don't pass it to others.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 12:48 PM (lnWzE)

389 382 One of my friends is ENRAGED that the Comfort isn't taking on COVID-19 patients. Because the NYT posted an article with a hospital administrator saying, "It's a joke."

She should know that the medical ships aren't designed for plagues anymore. But Orange Man Bad while simultaneously Government Needs to Do Things Now.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at April 04, 2020 12:47 PM (/+bwe)

The ships were not meant to take wuflu, just the other stuff. So sorry NYC medica, the Navy isn't going to kiss your ass, and do your job for you.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:49 PM (ONvIw)

390 There is a difference between obeying well established traffic laws and obeying arbitrary pronouncements by people who are seeking more and more power over us by exploiting any opportunity.

Posted by: freaked at April 04, 2020 12:49 PM (Tnijr)

391 Is a welding mask okay?

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 12:49 PM (QZCjk)

392 It's interesting some of the responses I'm getting to this thought experiment. Like assuming I'm some kind of busybody.
Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:46 PM (ouBhA)

Friendships and family relations are going to be one other casualty of the epidemic. I have some that will sulk for a long time at the calmer ones, if it turns out they were panicked for not so much.

Posted by: Sal at April 04, 2020 12:50 PM (bo8pf)

393 I refuse to wear a mask. I refuse to be a prisoner in my house. I wear gloves when I'm out and wash my hands but I do not sanitize everything I buy.
I was scolded last night by my 36 year old son for going to Target. If there were 12 people in that giant store, I'd be surprised. I felt like an errant teenager breaking curfew. Scolded!This is ridiculous.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 04, 2020 12:50 PM (QzF6i)

394 I resisted the plague nonsense for several weeks. Then I started thinking that PDT and the Feds know something I don't and it ain't pretty. I believe the Chinee had a little oops out of the Wuhan lab.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The response level doesn't jibe with even the worst flu years.

Something happened and we can't handle the truth.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 12:50 PM (CqE5x)

395 Thanks Tami. We have been pursuing this all week with our church. Getting the neccessary forms and paperwork together. Treasurer and Chief Elder axed it yesterday. They want the church shut down. Won't take the forgivable loan. Told Rev not to report to the office. He is currently at the office, taping a sermon for tomorrow to put online. Probably without pay for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:48 PM (lwiT4)

That's outrageous grammie! Why would they WANT the church shutdown? Does he have to tape a sermon? Can he just apply for the individual UE payment?

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 12:51 PM (cF8AT)

396 Ha! Only if they can do it behind a computer screen, with a joystick in their hands.

Teenagers... bah.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:44 PM (hku12)

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Uh, yeah.... joystick...
Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 04, 2020 12:45 PM (CAJOC)


I'm just waiting... waiting, like a crouching tiger, for someone to come along and say "eh no, gamers these days don't play with joysticks, boomer."

Someone will come along, stick their foot in my trap.

Aaaaany second now.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:51 PM (hku12)

397 Morning Horde. Weather is improving which makes SIP much easier to endure. How much longer???

Posted by: zeera at April 04, 2020 12:51 PM (zUdXR)

398 Also, surgical masks are worn to keep pathogens in, not out.



-

These are my pathogens and you can't have them!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 04, 2020 12:47 PM (+y/Ru)


I deny them my essence pathogens

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 12:51 PM (W/BQv)

399 "Bargaining: What if people use bandanas?"

Great question! A lot of people- US Americans, such as, don't have masks. And I believe our education should help the South Africa and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future mask supplies. For our children.

Posted by: Joey Golden Hairs at April 04, 2020 12:51 PM (XPH0Y)

400 Jordan61: Of course I wasn't serious. I was playing into the cow pun (cheese).

Ah! My faith in humanity - and my ability to discern quality personas through the medium of online text - is reaffirmed.

Posted by: mindful webworker
webworks make lasting investments
at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM (AoLFQ)

401 Ha! Only if they can do it behind a computer screen, with a joystick in their hands.

>>Teenagers... bah.
-----------
Not the case around here. This is a resort area and it could not function without lots of kids working in the restaurants, marinas, hotels, etc.. So many in fact that they are imported around the high season to handle the load.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 12:48 PM (ZLI7S)


You said "handle the load."

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM (hku12)

402 Friendships and family relations are going to be one other casualty of the epidemic. I have some that will sulk for a long time at the calmer ones, if it turns out they were panicked for not so much.
Posted by: Sal at April 04, 2020 12:50 PM (bo8pf)

There are medical people, MDs, RNs and assistants, who feel that it's unfair that they are being put in "harm's way" and that they should be able to refuse to work with wuflus

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM (ONvIw)

403 359 I am immune suppressed. I don't wear a mask. I go to the store. I probably will kill off the entire population of Walworth County.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:40 PM (lwiT4)

So, like, 12 people?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM (NWiLs)

404 I want a "No Bat Soup" mask.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM (r+sAi)

405 That's outrageous grammie! Why would they WANT the
church shutdown? Does he have to tape a sermon? Can he just apply for
the individual UE payment?

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 12:51 PM (cF8AT)



Tami, ministers are usually not eligible for unemployment. There's a rule but I can't remember what it is. Yes, I believe they would rather see the church collapse than to take money from the government. They say God will provide. I believe He IS providing - thru these no-strings-attached funds. This is coming from people who haven't put a dime in the offering plate since I got here.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:54 PM (lwiT4)

406 But no, you wear a mask and eye protection.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:43 PM (ONvIw)


Considering wearing my safety glasses to the store.
1. to keep my hand from my eye
2. to prevent accidental aerosol exposure

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 12:54 PM (lnWzE)

407 LI - Malabu is where a life guard boat chased down a paddle boarder to stop him being outside, in clean air, hundreds of yards from anyone and alone.
It hits 70 I'm going bike riding.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:54 PM (ZCEU2)

408 390 There is a difference between obeying well established traffic laws and obeying arbitrary pronouncements by people who are seeking more and more power over us by exploiting any opportunity.
Posted by: freaked at April 04, 2020 12:49 PM (Tnijr)


There was a time when we had some autos but had not established traffic laws yet. We established them as the need became apparent. Then we decided to behave cooperatively to prevent accidents. We had to agree to give up driving however we wanted to in order to do this.

Do traffic laws infringe on our personal sovereignty?

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:55 PM (ouBhA)

409 I have four or five. Ones np

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 04, 2020 12:55 PM (9TdxA)

410 So, like, 12 people?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM (NWiLs)



13. Someone had a baby.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:55 PM (lwiT4)

411 410 So, like, 12 people?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM (NWiLs)



13. Someone had a baby.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:55 PM (lwiT4)

*snort*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 12:55 PM (NWiLs)

412 Braenyard thinking same thing, wearing my shooting glasses just to remind myself not to touch my eyes

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 12:56 PM (ZCEU2)

413 Considering wearing my safety glasses to the store.
1. to keep my hand from my eye
2. to prevent accidental aerosol exposure
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 12:54 PM (lnWzE)

I have always favored big 70s style glasses for that reason, but I do have regular safety glasses too.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:56 PM (ONvIw)

414 long ago some state senator was making a point about arbitrary laws ... said if he ever gets a speeding ticket for going 65 in the nationally mandated 55 zone ... he wanted to make sure it was a ticket for wasting gas. Because that was the alleged reason for 55 limit.

He said he could then prove in court his car performs more efficiently at 65. Global warming would fall flat if they had to actually prove any damage was being done ... what if I prove more CO2 makes the planet greener? Then the crazy warming laws should not apply ... of course ... they don't care, the laws are to build their globalist power structure, taking from the makers.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 12:56 PM (Cus5s)

415 I have always favored big 70s style glasses for that reason, but I do have regular safety glasses too.

Side shields. Gotta have side shields!

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 04, 2020 12:56 PM (7s3Gx)

416 I have always favored big 70s style glasses for that reason, but I do have regular safety glasses too.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:56 PM (ONvIw)


Everyone is going to look like Harry Carey or 70s Elton John

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (W/BQv)

417 I just bought a package of hepa vacuum bags from Amazon just in case I need to make some mask. Less than $10 so no big deal if I never use them.

Posted by: lin-duh at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (UUBmN)

418 I resisted the plague nonsense for several weeks. Then I started thinking that PDT and the Feds know something I don't and it ain't pretty. I believe the Chinee had a little oops out of the Wuhan lab.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The response level doesn't jibe with even the worst flu years.

Something happened and we can't handle the truth.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 12:50 PM (CqE5x)


I understand the temptation here, but a much simpler answer is, we're a nation that's gone insane, in a world that even more insaner.

We can't trust China, and we can't trust our own government to give us even remotely honest answers to questions they, frankly, don't really know the answers to.

So people have room for conspiracies.

And some conspiracies being more equal than others, I'm not sure there's anything unusual about this virus or this outbreak. So our overreaction is just that, a perfect storm of national/international insanity.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (hku12)

419 Place all your money in this bag, and no dye packs.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 04, 2020 12:58 PM (C1Lsn)

420 The problem with these is that the kids would wear them backwards.

https://amzn.to/2RaZpNr

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 04, 2020 12:58 PM (+y/Ru)

421 The response level doesn't jibe with even the worst flu years.

Something happened and we can't handle the truth.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 12:50 PM (CqE5x)

Thank you for using the correct word there.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 12:58 PM (NWiLs)

422 ---Is a welding mask okay?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 12:49 PM
----------------

Worked for me.

Posted by: Exterminator 2 at April 04, 2020 12:58 PM (RVcmP)

423 I just bought a package of hepa vacuum bags from Amazon just in case I need to make some mask. Less than $10 so no big deal if I never use them.
Posted by: lin-duh at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (UUBmN)


Hopefully somewhere on the package are the words "do not eat."

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (hku12)

424 And we still don't have complete data about this virus and it's characteristics.

I wonder why that is. Hmmm.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (Fs5vw)

425 Everyone is going to look like Harry Carey or 70s Elton John
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (W/BQv)

I like to think it looks more like Jackie O...lol

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (ONvIw)

426 Side shields. Gotta have side shields!
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 04, 2020 12:56 PM (7s3Gx)


buy those Vuarnets with the glacier guards on the side

Posted by: Your respectful TSA worker striving for your comfort, self respect, and safety at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (rb4zU)

427 Friendships and family relations are going to be one other casualty of the epidemic. I have some that will sulk for a long time at the calmer ones, if it turns out they were panicked for not so much.
Posted by: Sal at April 04, 2020 12:50 PM (bo8pf)


Well, let's try not to do that here. I love the Horde! And the disharmony during the last primaries broke my heart.

But I think it helps to explore our thought processes. How do we discern the proper level of compliance?

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (ouBhA)

428 "We established them as the need became apparent"

Then pass a law.

Posted by: freaked at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (Tnijr)

429 We survived Disco. Enough said. Quit being a pussy.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (QZCjk)

430 Shattered making a prophetic comeback

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (PUmDY)

431
FINALLY at 10:39 last night the SBA issued new guidance clarifying that churches & religious nonprofits DO qualify for Paycheck Protection loans (which are forgivable). This is a victory - and what Congress clearly wrote in the law
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 12:43 PM (cF8AT)

ACLU or Freedom From Religion Foundation to file suit in 3 - 2 - 1

Posted by: Fox2! at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (qyH+l)

432 But I think it helps to explore our thought processes. How do we discern the proper level of compliance?
Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (ouBhA)

I posit the following: fuck compliance.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 01:00 PM (NWiLs)

433 And we still don't have complete data about this virus and it's characteristics.



I wonder why that is. Hmmm.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (Fs5vw)


That's odd. They fully sequenced it back in February, and have been tracking it obsessively for some reason.

Posted by: Your respectful TSA worker striving for your comfort, self respect, and safety at April 04, 2020 01:00 PM (rb4zU)

434 Tami, ministers are usually not eligible for unemployment. There's a rule but I can't remember what it is. Yes, I believe they would rather see the church collapse than to take money from the government. They say God will provide. I believe He IS providing - thru these no-strings-attached funds. This is coming from people who haven't put a dime in the offering plate since I got here.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:54 PM (lwiT4)

Wait...the TREASURER and the CHIEF ELDER don't contribute to the church?!

Ok, I'm feeling the need to do something for fellow morons that are really feeling this shutdown financially.

Anyone have any ideas? Isn't there a similar site to GoFundMe that doesn't charge as much? Or something else...I'm open to suggestions.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 01:00 PM (cF8AT)

435 Fuck Compliance DEFCON 1 is needed.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 04, 2020 01:00 PM (EgS06)

436 Wait...the TREASURER and the CHIEF ELDER don't contribute to the church?!



Weird, eh?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 01:01 PM (lwiT4)

437 So the blog will be sweet 16 this month.
Does anyone know the Twitter handles of our cobs?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:01 PM (rCwaK)

438 There are medical people, MDs, RNs and assistants, who feel that it's unfair that they are being put in "harm's way" and that they should be able to refuse to work with wuflus
Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM

This floors me, but I am seeing it from a couple young relatives. My classmates who became nurses were taught by a woman who told them about careers ruined by contracting TB, Hepatitis C, etc. Another friend worked in psychiatric care; she was flat-out told, "You will be physically attacked."

There was no sugar-coating back then. What's going on now?

Posted by: NaughtyPine at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (/+bwe)

439 395 Thanks Tami. We have been pursuing this all week with our church. Getting the neccessary forms and paperwork together. Treasurer and Chief Elder axed it yesterday. They want the church shut down. Won't take the forgivable loan. Told Rev not to report to the office. He is currently at the office, taping a sermon for tomorrow to put online. Probably without pay for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 12:48 PM (lwiT4)

So sorry to hear this grammie, may all your needs be met with a minimum of stress and a real sense of the Procider being at your side.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (IDhUW)

440
And some conspiracies being more equal than others, I'm not sure there's anything unusual about this virus or this outbreak. So our overreaction is just that, a perfect storm of national/international insanity.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (hku12


Very much this. I was actually thinking this country was better than to fall for this. I was wrong.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (Fs5vw)

441 So sorry to hear this grammie, may all your needs be met with a minimum of stress and a real sense of the Procider being at your side.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (IDhUW)

I'm more Proliquor.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 01:03 PM (NWiLs)

442 Is a welding mask okay?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 12:49 PM


How about a fencing mask? It would look creepy as hell.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at April 04, 2020 01:03 PM (85Ax+)

443 >>The response level doesn't jibe with even the worst flu years.

>>Something happened and we can't handle the truth.

I've thought all along that this was not a result of eating a bat in a wet market that just happens to be located right around the corner from a lab in Wuhan that studies bat viruses was a big red flag.

Then the Chinese government partnering with the WHO to flat out lie about human to human transmission for weeks as well as infection and death rates made it an even bigger red flag. Why would you lie about something like this unless it was bad?

Despite the media blackout in China we do know they were taking incredibly draconian steps including sealing infected people in their homes to die. I suspect we will find out in time that the rates in Wuhan were way higher than they are claiming.

If you are sitting in the Oval Office and a new virus that has unknown lethality that has been allowed to grow unchecked in China, a virus for which there is no vaccine and it is now spreading at an alarming rate around the world and you know you don't have nearly enough supplies to deal with an outbreak if the worst predictions come true, what would you have done?

Can't say I disagree with the steps Trump has recommended even if it is personally painful. Look around the world, see if you can find a modern, western society that isn't doing things similar to us or even worse. The only one I can find is Sweden which has a much different approach to healthcare rationing. They are pro.

We'll see how that works out for them.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 01:03 PM (ZLI7S)

444 Wait... the NYC subways are still running?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2020 01:03 PM (r+sAi)

445 So sorry to hear this grammie, may all your needs be
met with a minimum of stress and a real sense of the Procider being at
your side.



Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (IDhUW)



Thank you very much. I have good kids with good jobs. I'm sure they'll fill in the gaps if need be.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 01:03 PM (lwiT4)

446 Very much this. I was actually thinking this country was better than to fall for this. I was wrong.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (Fs5vw)

A person is smart. People are dumb, dangerous, panicky animals and you know it!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 01:03 PM (NWiLs)

447 404 I want a "No Bat Soup" mask.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM (r+sAi)

Good one!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 01:03 PM (IDhUW)

448 Here's the ticket.

https://amzn.to/2X8a4MA

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 04, 2020 01:04 PM (+y/Ru)

449 Loaded album cover.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 01:04 PM (PUmDY)

450 16 huh, been around 10 I think going on 11.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 01:04 PM (ZCEU2)

451 Do traffic laws infringe on our personal sovereignty?
Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:55 PM (ouBhA)


Roundabouts do*.


*See prior thread.

The answer to your question is, yes. Yes they do. And if a people gather, and impose restrictions on each other, for the good of all, they damn well better have a good reason.

The burden of proof is on the oppressor of freedom, not on the oppressed.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:04 PM (hku12)

452 Muldoon: You need written consent for that now.

That's so sad.

Posted by: mindful webworker
webworks make lasting investments
at April 04, 2020 01:04 PM (AoLFQ)

453 Grohl as Ted, going with Phil Collins as Bill
Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 12:43 PM (SwWMX)

No, think twice.

Posted by: BourbonChicken with Face Colander at April 04, 2020 01:05 PM (LxTcq)

454 lolgf

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

COVID deaths are disproportionately spiking in Black + Brown communities.

Why? Because the chronic toll of redlining, environmental racism, wealth gap, etc. ARE underlying health conditions.

Inequality is a comorbidity. COVID relief should be drafted with a lens of reparations.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 04, 2020 01:05 PM (JFO2v)

455 I see tinfoil is still in adequate supply.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 04, 2020 01:05 PM (7s3Gx)

456 So our overreaction is just that, a perfect storm of
national/international insanity.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (hku12)


Karen: I'm reporting you!!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 01:05 PM (W/BQv)

457 This floors me, but I am seeing it from a couple young relatives. My classmates who became nurses were taught by a woman who told them about careers ruined by contracting TB, Hepatitis C, etc. Another friend worked in psychiatric care; she was flat-out told, "You will be physically attacked."

There was no sugar-coating back then. What's going on now?
Posted by: NaughtyPine at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (/+bwe)

Yes. But now they are bitching about how unfair it is that MDs and RNs "Lives are not important". When you take the job, you are told about infectious diseases. It's not a secret.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 01:05 PM (ONvIw)

458 I'm more Proliquor.<<<<<<
I like that meme of Schools non-essential, Liquor Stores Essential.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (r+sAi)

459 I think the rule is 1 person to a train, same as it was before the apocalypse

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (ZCEU2)

460 So for commenters who think I am wearing full hazmat gear and snitching on my neighbors and requiring Valium to sleep, sorry to disappoint you.

To all, I wish you a lovely day with plenty of sunshine!

I must get some work done. This economic shutdown is far more hassle than my regular work duties.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (ouBhA)

461 But I think it helps to explore our thought processes. How do we discern the proper level of compliance?
Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 12:59 PM (ouBhA)


more important, what do you do about non compliance? Do you bar entry or do you ticket? What is the metric you want to use?

In traffic accidents, the driver that blows a signal is held liable for damages, for example, and can be ticketed by state or city law.

If I refuse to wear a funny beanie with that cute knob on top like the governor says, what is the damage and what is the enforcement?


With traffic tickets the cops' inducement is the revenue to the state and local jurisdiction, so they are avid for tickets.

Who enforces the funny beanie that makes you look like a fool to amuse the governor, and what inducements are there for that enforcement?

At what point do we have neighbors turning in each other and for what reason? For some claimed safety? for the bounty? for revenge?

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (rb4zU)

462 I'm sick of hearing everyone marvel about what a great job Cuomo is doing "handling the crisis."

WHAT has he done?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (CqE5x)

463 Alla***dit used to link to Ace, that's how I found the blog. That was back in 2005 or 2006, is my guess. I didn't become a regular commenter here until 2016, though. I only read the posts.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:07 PM (rCwaK)

464 I'm sick of hearing everyone marvel about what a great job Cuomo is doing "handling the crisis."



WHAT has he done?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (CqE5x)


Democrat

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 01:07 PM (W/BQv)

465 WHAT has he done?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (CqE5x)

He established triage criteria.

Oh, how is bro Fredo doing,, btw?

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 01:07 PM (ONvIw)

466 The dentally challenged rejoice.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at April 04, 2020 01:07 PM (2ygtH)

467 Probably have 600 pounds of aluminum out back, not worth much

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 01:07 PM (ZCEU2)

468 Do traffic laws infringe on our personal sovereignty?

Of course they do.

But you are grossly simplifying the issue.

Traffic control is a function of a universal convention that has an objective and immediately recognizable benefit. If you are too stupid to see the benefit of a stop sign at intersections with traffic, then driving probably is not for you.

OTOH, many people see a deserted intersection and will roll through ignoring the stop sign. Is that just rebellion, or is that recognition that the convention is a hindrance rather than valuable in this instance?

I submit that people stop at a deserted intersection because habit, Stockholm, or fear of Karen in a uniform with ticket book and gun.

The mask, at this point, is Cargo Cult thinking feeling.

Traffic laws also establish culpability in the event of a collision or other reason that an incident ends up in civil courts. This is where the insurance industry has great influence, ergo, seat belt laws and child safety seats.

While there are many other factors, let me end with this:

I have never heard anyone justify traffic control regulations as "You don't have a Right to crash into me".

Yet, this is how masks are often sold to the retarded public. Through craven manipulation of emotions and presumed fair-play, only possible because human beings have been reduced to chattel and somehow the natural spread of diseases needs to have a human perpetrator and must have a human victim, because natural processes must have a name and a human face that we can collectively hate.

This is why Climate Change can never be a result of natural processes and variations in solar output, but must have an anthropocentric origin, and thus a target that can be taxed, regulated, demonized and hated.

So your demands that everyone wear a mask, is predicated on numerous logical fallacies, a rejection of the Imago Dei and naturalism, and buys into post-modern intersectionality and cultural Marxism.

That is why normal people mock it.

Posted by: 🐧 at April 04, 2020 01:07 PM (uYQjf)

469 462 I'm sick of hearing everyone marvel about what a great job Cuomo is doing "handling the crisis."

WHAT has he done?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (CqE5x)

Fuck all. Then bitch and whine and threaten.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 04, 2020 01:08 PM (NWiLs)

470 I can understand not licking the stripper pole. But wearing masks seems gay and creepy.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 04, 2020 01:08 PM (QZCjk)

471 And some conspiracies being more equal than others, I'm not sure there's anything unusual about this virus or this outbreak. So our overreaction is just that, a perfect storm of national/international insanity.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (hku12


Very much this. I was actually thinking this country was better than to fall for this. I was wrong.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (Fs5vw)


Even as we're in the middle this "national emergency," Schiff and Pelosi are wanting to reopen the whole "let's get Trump" circus.

I don't blame the Donald for being overcautious throughout this period, and since he's walking this tightrope, having to dodge the Democrats who are out to get him, I think maybe when all is said and done we ought to have a good hard look at whether attacking a President during a "national crisis" is tantamount to treason or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:08 PM (hku12)

472 He has made several threats.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 01:08 PM (PUmDY)

473 ha!

In just ten days, we discovered that neither the tampon issue, nor the participation of transsexuals in the Olympic Games, nor the climate emergency were real problems, nor emergencies, nor anything of the sort. They were just fictitious problems, the pastimes of a generation that hadnt known tragedy. Itxu Diaz, National Review

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 04, 2020 01:09 PM (JFO2v)

474 If 46,000 have died in WuHan to the WuHan Flu out of a population of 11 million, wouldn't that be a mortality rate of 0.4%?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:09 PM (TYbfU)

475 WHAT has he done?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (CqE5x)

He declared war on Texas to confiscate their supplies

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 01:09 PM (ONvIw)

476 If I can find one, I'ma wear a Hello Kitty mask to work monday.

Posted by: jsg at April 04, 2020 01:10 PM (POXG+)

477 I got here from Legal Insurrection, lurked easily a year before like 2009, started commenting regularly 2010.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 01:10 PM (ZCEU2)

478 441 So sorry to hear this grammie, may all your needs be met with a minimum of stress and a real sense of the Procider being at your side.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (IDhUW)

I'm more Proliquor.

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Lol, I didn't see that until after I posted, thought oh well it will be understood.

Well played.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 01:10 PM (IDhUW)

479 I resisted the plague nonsense for several weeks. Then I started thinking that PDT and the Feds know something I don't and it ain't pretty. I believe the Chinee had a little oops out of the Wuhan lab.
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The response level doesn't jibe with even the worst flu years.

Something happened and we can't handle the truth.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 12:50 PM (CqE5x)


I understand the temptation here, but a much simpler answer is, we're a nation that's gone insane, in a world that even more insaner.

We can't trust China, and we can't trust our own government to give us even remotely honest answers to questions they, frankly, don't really know the answers to.

So people have room for conspiracies.

And some conspiracies being more equal than others, I'm not sure there's anything unusual about this virus or this outbreak. So our overreaction is just that, a perfect storm of national/international insanity.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (hku12)



See me at Comment 95.

I think there's good reason/evidence to believe that the virus came out of one of two Wuhan biological labs.

If I'm designing a viral weapon, I'd want:

1) Easy transmissibility

2) A sting in the tail - like chicken pox and shingles.

Being a virus it wouldn't be hard to get it to upload a DNA or RNA bomb to your cells.

Then say 6 months from now- BOOM! Highly aggressive cardiac cancer or some such thing.

A sting in the tail would explain the panic.

But, more likely, we're seeing the same lame-ass lack of scientific methodology and panic that gave us Global Warming as a thing.

Combine that with Political Power Struggles and Greed and a truly malicious MSM and KAZOW!!!

Economy Destroying Panic!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 01:10 PM (z0XD8)

480 Posted by: NaughtyPine at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (/+bwe)

They want to occasionally be called a hero but they don't want to be exposed to any risk. They're children.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 04, 2020 01:11 PM (ExV1e)

481 437 So the blog will be sweet 16 this month.
Does anyone know the Twitter handles of our cobs?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:01 PM (rCwaK)

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Does that mean Ace gets to scream and throw a tantrum if everything isn't absolutely perfect?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 04, 2020 01:11 PM (CAJOC)

482 So your demands that everyone wear a mask, is predicated on numerous logical fallacies, a rejection of the Imago Dei and naturalism, and buys into post-modern intersectionality and cultural Marxism.

That is why normal people mock it.
Posted by: at April 04, 2020 01:07 PM (uYQjf)


Not even once have I ever demanded that anyone wear a mask.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 01:11 PM (ouBhA)

483 I think trump felt forced into the actions he's taken. Politically, they were necessary. We don't have a society that can tolerate risk anymore, and he would have been destroyed if he tried to do anything else.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2020 01:11 PM (q3gwH)

484 If you don't understand why when the government tells me to do something and I balk and refuse out of instinct, you may be ignorant and arrogant.

Which is a bad combination.

No Mas Masks!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 04, 2020 01:11 PM (Z+IKu)

485 Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 01:03 PM (ZLI7S)

Well said.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:11 PM (lnWzE)

486 So our overreaction is just that, a perfect storm of
national/international insanity.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:57 PM (hku12)


Karen: I'm reporting you!!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 01:05 PM (W/BQv)


Karen is a better meme than Ok boomer.

There, I said it.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (hku12)

487 "The difference between having 100 machine guns
firing at you (not wearing mask) and having 1 machine gun firing at you
(wearing mask).
Either way, the bullets are gonna hit you" Posted by: BurtTC

what I've read, and what makes sense, is the initial amount of inoculum makes a difference. start with one unit of virus, takes a long time to build up if it doubles every 8 hours (random guess on time) ... but if initial does is 100 units of virus ... it has a head start in the system ... less time for immune system to knock it down.


I'm not clear if the first "infection" gets wiped out by white blood cells ganging up on the virus, then more infection requires the building of anti-bodies, and then even more infection (or a poor immune system, or comorbidities) means a person needs anti-biotics ... or maybe other intervention in Corvid-19 case, while the body tries to create the anti-bodies before death.


So of course, at some point in that process, the HCQ+Z treatment stopping the virus replication would be Helpful, as either the anti-bodies can then catch up, and/or the white blood cell count increases to kill/stop the remaining virus. that is my current understand, open to further development. ha

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (Cus5s)

488 I'm not going out in public wearing a mask, it's ghey. Even wearing gloves at the market creeps me out a little. But I've done it.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (rCwaK)

489 475 WHAT has he done?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:06 PM (CqE5x)

He declared war on Texas to confiscate their supplies
Posted by: CN



Also loot resources of other towns in his own state to hand over to NYC.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (MVR7y)

490 >>Not even once have I ever demanded that anyone wear a mask.


I wouldn't worry about. Some of us can read and know you were just posing an intellectual question.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (ZLI7S)

491 440 Very much this. I was actually thinking this country was better than to fall for this. I was wrong.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:02 PM (Fs5vw)


25% of the country think the government has it's own money.

Posted by: jsg at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (POXG+)

492 I knew Cu(homo) was taking supplies from upstate but TX?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (EgS06)

493 I wish Cuomo had declared war on Texas

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (SwWMX)

494 Guy Fawkes masks to make a comeback.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (aKsyK)

495 Masks don't bother me, I haven't worn one yet but I am wearing gloves whenever I go anywhere.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (q3gwH)

496 Also loot resources of other towns in his own state to hand over to NYC.
Posted by: Puddleglum at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (MVR7y)

Red areas must be at risk to support blue ones.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 01:13 PM (ONvIw)

497 Penguin person, please show me where I said people must wear masks.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 01:13 PM (ouBhA)

498 CA's cases have been steadily ticking upwards - mostly LA county and I suspect the homeless. My area has 5 deaths and a few hundred active cases.

Posted by: IC at April 04, 2020 01:13 PM (a0IVu)

499 Does that mean Ace gets to scream and throw a tantrum if everything isn't absolutely perfect?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 04, 2020 01:11 PM (CAJOC)

I thought we could decorate the blog with shelves. And maybe streamers.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:13 PM (rCwaK)

500 492 I knew Cu(homo) was taking supplies from upstate but TX?
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (EgS06)

He initially demanded that Trump use the army to seize Texas' ventilators for NYC

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 01:14 PM (ONvIw)

501 Looks like new cases are exploding today.

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at April 04, 2020 01:14 PM (odrqb)

502 447 404 I want a "No Bat Soup" mask.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2020 12:53 PM (r+sAi)

Good one!
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 01:03 PM (IDhUW)

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So, then, what does Batman eat when he has a cold?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 04, 2020 01:14 PM (CAJOC)

503 Cuomo and Texas, lol! You and what army?

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2020 01:14 PM (q3gwH)

504

Mask ! --> https://tinyurl.com/tearrb8

Posted by: runner at April 04, 2020 01:14 PM (zr5Kq)

505 Triage in time of pandemic?

Actually Bush looked into that and the Liberals all went hair on fire over it.
https://annapuna.blogspot.com/2008/05/hard-call.html

Then we had the Occu-potties, Norovirus, and H1N1
https://annapuna.blogspot.com/2011/11/hard-call-in-2011.html

The Last Centurion anyone?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:14 PM (TYbfU)

506

Committee for the Defense of the Revolution

The best-known Cuban mass organization, the Committee for the Defense of the Revolution (CDR), was established on September 28, 1960. A CDR unit was set up on each square block throughout all urban areas, and equivalent counterparts were located in rural areas. The CDRs act as the eyes and ears of the regime at the most personal level; they are designed as a "neighborhood watch" in which neighbors are both the watching and the watched. The police tap into this network for information on any individual: information on the suspect's friends, visitors, family background, work history and volunteer activities is readily available, as well as CDR officials' personal assessments of the revolutionary commitment of each individual within the jurisdiction.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 04, 2020 01:15 PM (aKsyK)

507 If only Comrade Stalin knew.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 01:15 PM (El6T/)

508 I think there's good reason/evidence to believe that the virus came out of one of two Wuhan biological labs.

If I'm designing a viral weapon, I'd want:

1) Easy transmissibility

2) A sting in the tail - like chicken pox and shingles.

Being a virus it wouldn't be hard to get it to upload a DNA or RNA bomb to your cells.

Then say 6 months from now- BOOM! Highly aggressive cardiac cancer or some such thing.

A sting in the tail would explain the panic.

But, more likely, we're seeing the same lame-ass lack of scientific methodology and panic that gave us Global Warming as a thing.

Combine that with Political Power Struggles and Greed and a truly malicious MSM and KAZOW!!!

Economy Destroying Panic!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2020 01:10 PM (z0XD


Well, I can't say it won't happen, all I can say is, that's not how "normal" viruses behave.

Up to now, all indications are this virus is behaving like a normal virus.

So yeah, there's room to speculate, because this is the world we live in now, and I would not ever suggest the Chinese aren't capable of creating a weaponized virus that will have said "sting in the tail."

So I guess we're just going to have to wait and see.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:15 PM (hku12)

509 The answer to your question is, yes. Yes they do.
And if a people gather, and impose restrictions on each other, for the
good of all, they damn well better have a good reason.


The burden of proof is on the oppressor of freedom, not on the oppressed.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:04 PM (hku12)


in On Crimes and Punishments Cesare Beccaria states that people join together and give up the minimal amount of freedom to obtain safety, and that any rule of law takes that into consideration, in that its action should be as minimal as possible.

(Beccaria was very much a star for the founding fathers, by the way)

This pandemic is an example of scaring a populace into surrendering more freedoms in hopes of getting some sort of safety. We used to just have Communist scares and Terrorist scares and Conservative Christian White Men scares. Now they have breached the seal for Plague, I expect they will do Hunger next.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 01:15 PM (rb4zU)

510 Looks like new cases are exploding today.

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at April 04, 2020 01:14 PM (odrqb)



Where are you seeing figures?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 01:15 PM (lwiT4)

511 Bloomberg Economics@economics

Hold the outrage. Wet markets are a healthy alternative to supermarkets,



-

Good to know.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 04, 2020 12:28 PM (+y/Ru)


The best commie propaganda that money can buy. Although Bloomberg "News" is so left wing they would shill for them for free

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 01:16 PM (W/BQv)

512 As we expand testing, of course case numbers will explode. It confirms that there have been a lot of asymptomatic unknown cases out there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2020 01:16 PM (q3gwH)

513
He declared war on Texas to confiscate their supplies
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Bold move, let's see how that plays out.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 01:16 PM (IDhUW)

514 oh, and to take Beccaria further, any government that oversteps the concept for minimal violation of rights becomes, by the very definition, a tyranny. No matter how small, it is just the first step.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 01:16 PM (rb4zU)

515 488 I'm not going out in public wearing a mask, it's ghey. Even wearing gloves at the market creeps me out a little. But I've done it.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (rCwaK)

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You could wear long sleeve dinner gloves. Then you're just being elegant!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 04, 2020 01:16 PM (CAJOC)

516 @realDonaldTrump 7 minutes ago

I will be holding a News Conference at 3:30 P.M. at the White House. Thank you!

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 01:17 PM (cF8AT)

517 When you take the job, you are told about infectious diseases. It's not a secret.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 01:05 PM (ONvIw)


A short time ago tb, polio, and smallpox were not uncommon. Dr.s and nurses did not have to be warned about infectious disease; it was why they were there.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:17 PM (lnWzE)

518 nood

Posted by: runner at April 04, 2020 01:17 PM (zr5Kq)

519 Figures are compiled at Worldometers. They directly link to their sources, which are largely local and state governments.

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at April 04, 2020 01:17 PM (odrqb)

520 Does that mean Ace gets to scream and throw a tantrum if everything isn't absolutely perfect?
Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 04, 2020 01:11 PM


It's his blog. He can cry if he wants to.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 04, 2020 01:17 PM (ejd/p)

521 Finally got hair done this am. She is only doing long time clients. I think I have been going to her 17-18 years. I was about ready to cut it myself.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 01:17 PM (vF+fs)

522 We should all wear Trump masks https://preview.tinyurl.com/w99mmfh

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:17 PM (rCwaK)

523 Looks like new cases are exploding today.

Where? I've been tracking the numbers at a "not China", U.S., and some states level and I'm see some fairly predictable exponential growth.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 04, 2020 01:18 PM (7s3Gx)

524 I've thought all along that this was not a result of eating a bat in a wet market that just happens to be located right around the corner from a lab in Wuhan that studies bat viruses was a big red flag.

Don't forget that those who profiting most from this (Leftists and the politically connected) also knew of this Plannedemic and condemned Trump for any proactive action while at the same time they were promoting all of the things that allegedly compound the effects.

I make a connection involving the Left, Globalists and China since they all have a common cause in power and money.

Remember, they knew that this was bad. They sold off assets that would be effected. They lied to the public about the problem. Once they were divested, then they caused a panic which led the markets to crash.

The main reason why they are NOT telling us when or if this will be over is so that they can find the bottom of the market, place their buy orders and then announce a resumption of activity - juiced by the very same Stimulous Programs they have full control over.

This is using insider information, engineering the market collapse and rejuvenation, to buy up a quarter to a half of the world's traded assets.

Posted by: 🐧 at April 04, 2020 01:18 PM (uYQjf)

525 488 I'm not going out in public wearing a mask, it's ghey. Even wearing gloves at the market creeps me out a little. But I've done it.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (rCwaK)


Gloves still show fear. Fear induced by the deep state and the MFM. Seeing you wear gloves makes them happy.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:18 PM (Fs5vw)

526 I wouldn't worry about. Some of us can read and know you were just posing an intellectual question.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (ZLI7S)


Thank you, JackStraw. Sometimes I wonder when I am misunderstood whether I did a poor job of expressing myself.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 01:18 PM (ouBhA)

527 Had to walk out of store break room last night because the Gullible was strong.

Apparently "they" are saying we won't have elections.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:18 PM (TYbfU)

528 474 If 46,000 have died in WuHan to the WuHan Flu out of a population of 11 million, wouldn't that be a mortality rate of 0.4%?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:09 PM (TYbfU)
--------------------------------
If 43,876 elves ate 34,876,000 unicorn burgers, ......

That's what I hear when anyone cites ANY stats coming out of China.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 01:19 PM (M/9m0)

529 501
Looks like new cases are exploding today.

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This


This is where the cynic in me explodes. More tests mean more cases. Has the mortality rate increased? Have the demographics changed? The info they give us seems a little superficial.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at April 04, 2020 01:20 PM (2ygtH)

530 The main reason why they are NOT telling us when or if this will be over is so that they can find the bottom of the market, place their buy orders and then announce a resumption of activity - juiced by the very same Stimulous Programs they have full control over.

This is using insider information, engineering the market collapse and rejuvenation, to buy up a quarter to a half of the world's traded assets.
Posted by: at April 04, 2020 01:18 PM (uYQjf)


This assessment seems reasonable. They've been trying to crash the markets for awhile now to hurt Trump's re-election chances.

You have not answered my previous question.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (ouBhA)

531 I wish Cuomo had declared war on Texas
Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (SwWMX)

That would be so stupid. I can see Texas and Oklahoma or New York and Pennsylvania, but how would two states that don't even share a border "go to war?"

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (CqE5x)

532 I just hope rumors of this new hantavirus are not true. It's got a 6 week incubation period.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (rCwaK)

533 A short time ago tb, polio, and smallpox were not uncommon. Dr.s and nurses did not have to be warned about infectious disease; it was why they were there.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:17 PM (lnWzE)

There was a lot of balking when AIDS patients had a lot of IV meds. A lot of people wanted nothing to do with changing the dressings or tubing.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (ONvIw)

534 "The difference between having 100 machine guns
firing at you (not wearing mask) and having 1 machine gun firing at you
(wearing mask).
Either way, the bullets are gonna hit you" Posted by: BurtTC

what I've read, and what makes sense, is the initial amount of inoculum makes a difference. start with one unit of virus, takes a long time to build up if it doubles every 8 hours (random guess on time) ... but if initial does is 100 units of virus ... it has a head start in the system ... less time for immune system to knock it down.


osted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (Cus5s)


That's always true, with all infectious material.

Amount matters. But the point here is, the amount that's going to get in through a cloth mask is enough.

If you breathe in, and there are infectious virus particles in the breath you take, it's enough to infect you.

Laws of diminishing returns being what they are though, sure, the further away you are, in time and space, from the collection of virus you're coming into contact with, and the more cloth you put between you and the air you breathe, it's going to be a law of diminishing returns... for the virus perspective.

The most important point here though is, a cloth mask isn't going to prevent infection.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (hku12)

535 This is where the cynic in me explodes. More tests mean more cases. Has the mortality rate increased? Have the demographics changed? The info they give us seems a little superficial.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at April 04, 2020 01:20 PM (2ygtH)

I agree.

But also, why would people be still getting infected with all the steps that have been taken over the last few weeks?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:22 PM (CqE5x)

536 One of the guys at Power Line had to go to Israeli sources just find a very basic stat of mortality and WuHan Flu.

The age cohort with 50% mortality rate is... Guess what? The elderly.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:22 PM (TYbfU)

537 That is why normal people mock it.

Well put

* seal clap*

*tosses sardine to Oswald*

Posted by: Sock Monkey...covid survivor at April 04, 2020 01:23 PM (NXJEt)

538 Beijing statistics have as much reality to them as the projected revenue stream light rail will produce in San Francisco.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:24 PM (TYbfU)

539 532 I just hope rumors of this new hantavirus are not true. It's got a 6 week incubation period.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (rCwaK)


LOL. Yup. This is how it works.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:24 PM (Fs5vw)

540 Thank you, JackStraw. Sometimes I wonder when I am misunderstood whether I did a poor job of expressing myself.
Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 01:18 PM (ouBhA)

The common folk have been under attack for so long that it is easy to read hostility into an intellectual question.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 04, 2020 01:25 PM (IDhUW)

541 Sock Monkey, I have never said what penguin person is representing me as saying.

Posted by: Emmie at April 04, 2020 01:25 PM (ouBhA)

542 Wife and daughter just left to drop off donations at Teen Challenge. Then going to Wendy's to pick up lunch. Maskless!!

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 01:25 PM (Dhht7)

543 I just hope rumors of this new hantavirus are not true. It's got a 6 week incubation period.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Hydroxy Chloro Queen and Bat Soup Nazi at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (rCwaK)

Wait, what?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:26 PM (CqE5x)

544
But also, why would people be still getting infected with all the steps that have been taken over the last few weeks?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:22 PM (CqE5x)


It's because us kulaks aren't behaving correctly.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:27 PM (Fs5vw)

545 >>>There was a lot of balking when AIDS patients had a lot of IV meds. A lot of people wanted nothing to do with changing the dressings or tubing.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (ONvIw)


That was a new and strange monster.
I think that's what's in the back of their mind today.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:27 PM (lnWzE)

546 "Why would people still be getting infected?"

It doesn't stop overnight plus, I suspect a lot of these new cases have had it for two weeks or more and never shown any symptoms.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2020 01:28 PM (q3gwH)

547 I expect they will do Hunger next.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 01:15 PM (rb4zU)


I think it's already starting. They saw how we panicked over toilet paper. Now people are freaking out over beans and rice.

Imagine what happens when the shelves are devoid of Michelob and bagged Tyson nuggets.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:28 PM (hku12)

548 The age cohort with 50% mortality rate is... Guess what? The elderly.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:22
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Quantify elderly. Over 29?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 01:29 PM (Dhht7)

549 But also, why would people be still getting infected with all the steps that have been taken over the last few weeks?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:22 PM (CqE5x)


It's because us kulaks aren't behaving correctly.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:27 PM (Fs5vw)

Still, even if only 50% are wearing masks and being more proactive with hand washing and social-distancing---and around here it's far more than 50%--you would still expect to see a dent in the rate of new infections.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:29 PM (CqE5x)

550 Because too many politicians in the early stages whistled past Trump's warnings about WuHan Flu to control it in the early stages it has exploded out into the general populace.

So now we get to ride a roller coaster because the likes of Nancy Pelosi put lynching Trump ahead of actually doing their job.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:29 PM (TYbfU)

551 Joe Biden will be "deemed" to be president.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 04, 2020 01:30 PM (aKsyK)

552 If the EU busts up, what happens to all those euros? The Brits still had an independent currency, and so do the Swiss.

The German d-mark is no longer legal tender since 2002, though they can still be exchanged for euros at a permanent rate of ~2dm per euro.

Cues up song Breaking Up Is Hard To Do.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2020 01:31 PM (Z4rgH)

553 545 >>>There was a lot of balking when AIDS patients had a lot of IV meds. A lot of people wanted nothing to do with changing the dressings or tubing.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (ONvIw)
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That was a new and strange monster.
I think that's what's in the back of their mind today.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:27 PM (lnWzE)
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The big difference is that AIDS meant a death sentence back then. The odds of actually dying from Wu-flu are very small.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 01:31 PM (M/9m0)

554 Joey Bidet is already "deemed" electable...

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:31 PM (TYbfU)

555 >>>The most important point here though is, a cloth mask isn't going to prevent infection.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (hku12)


But it will reduce the level of infection.

Those that have symptoms and receive medication 5 days before onset respond much better than those that receive medication 2 days before onset.


Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:32 PM (lnWzE)

556 538 Beijing statistics have as much reality to them as the projected revenue stream light rail will produce in San Francisco.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:24 PM (TYbfU)
-------------------------
Ziiiiiinnnnggg!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 01:34 PM (M/9m0)

557 So of course, at some point in that process, the
HCQ+Z treatment stopping the virus replication would be Helpful, as
either the anti-bodies can then catch up, and/or the white blood cell
count increases to kill/stop the remaining virus. that is my current
understand, open to further development. ha
Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 01:12 PM (Cus5s)


Was reading about CASPER CRSPR techniques of gene editing, and how it comes from fairly commonplace soil bacteria's technique of defending against RNA viruses by inhibiting the virus' ability to replicate in the cells.
Apparently there is side research on CRSPR to look into an antiviral approach that is referred to as RNA-i (RNA interference)

What is interesting is that there is some speculation that what is happening with the HydroChloroquine and Zinc is that Zinc is being transferred into the cell via action of the hydrochloroquin and is inhibiting the virus replication that way. The molecule used in the gene editing seems to be built around Zinc, so I find that interesting. (Alternately it is suggested that the therapy is blocking the cell membrane transferrence points in the cell wall the Corona Virus uses to enter and preventing further infection, so your guess is as good as mine)

Anyway, it may be that if this is bioengineered, it may be the virus is vulnerable to the same techniques that were used to create it in the lab, which most likely was a CRSPR technique.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 01:34 PM (rb4zU)

558 This is where the cynic in me explodes. More tests mean more cases. Has the mortality rate increased? Have the demographics changed? The info they give us seems a little superficial.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at April 04, 2020 01:20 PM (2ygtH)

I agree.

But also, why would people be still getting infected with all the steps that have been taken over the last few weeks?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:22 PM (CqE5x)


Human behavior is the explanation.

More people being tested means more cases reported.

No one, as far as I know, is doing any sort of controlled studies to determine infection rates, anything to show how many people who are infected are asymptomatic, or to show precisely which conditions lead to infections more fully. Other than cruise ships and nursing homes, I mean.

So the bus driver who got infected and died, everyone is saying "it was the lady who coughed on him!"

How the hell does anyone know that?

We don't.

So it's all still, a lot of guessing by people with no knowledge of how this stuff works, and mere conjecture by the people who do.

The only number that is CLOSE to being important right now is number of deaths... and even then, it appears there's some shenanigans being played with those numbers.

We aren't going to know any of the percentages until this thing is long over. And my conjecture... which is only that, is the death rate will be something less than 1% EVERYWHERE, and it will have remained where these things always do, killing the elderly and immunocompromised.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:34 PM (hku12)

559 >>>Still, even if only 50% are wearing masks and being more proactive with hand washing and social-distancing---and around here it's far more than 50%--you would still expect to see a dent in the rate of new infections.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:29 PM (CqE5x)


Birx said data indicates that people in some areas are following guidelines closer than others.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:36 PM (lnWzE)

560 The average age of those who die of WuHan Flu in Israel is 79.8 years.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:37 PM (TYbfU)

561 This is pounding on existing fissures in the EU and opening new ones. The stuff KT cited from France is actually pretty striking - not the statist/authoritarian reflexes twitching, but the specific national/autarkic ones, which are stronger in France than any other major member state (now that the UK has left).

Something like this spectacularly highlights the (potential) value of borders and sovereign decision-making, in even more dramatic fashion than mass illegal migration has in recent years.

But it's all about the benjamins in the end, and Germany's ability to subsidize the whole ramshackle structure may be in doubt (darndest thing, junking your real energy production complex in favor of vapor-ware and unicorn flatulence poses economic challenges).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 01:38 PM (El6T/)

562 The most important point here though is, a cloth mask isn't going to prevent infection.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:21 PM (hku12)


But it will reduce the level of infection.

Those that have symptoms and receive medication 5 days before onset respond much better than those that receive medication 2 days before onset.


Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:32 PM (lnWzE)


Right right right, and again, you're talking about mask wearers spreading less virus, which is not what I was talking about.

If you think you might be infected, wear a mask. It'll help reduce the risk to others.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:39 PM (hku12)

563 521 Finally got hair done this am. She is only doing long time clients. I think I have been going to her 17-18 years. I was about ready to cut it myself.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 01:17 PM (vF+fs)

I sent my hairdresser a gif of Edward Scissor hands, saying "I'm gonna have to take matters into my own hands...".

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 01:40 PM (cF8AT)

564 I've been reading the 41 worst kinds of people on Twitter and I'm trying to figure out if my soon-to-be-ex-wife is a "Crazy Cat Lady" or a "Heel Turner." I have good arguments either way.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at April 04, 2020 01:40 PM (edlKR)

565
If the EU busts up, what happens to all those euros? The Brits still had an independent currency, and so do the Swiss.



The German d-mark is no longer legal tender since 2002, though they
can still be exchanged for euros at a permanent rate of ~2dm per euro.



Cues up song Breaking Up Is Hard To Do.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2020 01:31 PM (Z4rgH)


The Europeans are still buying old national currency coins.
France and to an extent Germany were selling off stored civil defense goods for a while, like they were emptying out warehouses.

My suspicion is that there are warehouses and bunkers full of old coin ready to deploy. All revalued against a certain hypothetical value of some commodity for the day the Euro goes away.


Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 01:41 PM (rb4zU)

566 542 Wife and daughter just left to drop off donations at Teen Challenge. Then going to Wendy's to pick up lunch. Maskless!!

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 01:25 PM (Dhht7)

Yikes! Hope your wife just waits in the car.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 01:42 PM (cF8AT)

567 Still, even if only 50% are wearing masks and being more proactive with hand washing and social-distancing---and around here it's far more than 50%--you would still expect to see a dent in the rate of new infections.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 01:29 PM (CqE5x)


Even if that were true, someone would change a few variables in the models and it comes back as, OMG! IT'S MUCH WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT!

The template has been cast.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:42 PM (Fs5vw)

568 >>>If you think you might be infected, wear a mask. It'll help reduce the risk to others.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:39 PM (hku12)


However, one may be infected/infectious for two weeks without symptoms.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:42 PM (lnWzE)

569 If you think you might be infected, wear a mask. It'll help reduce the risk to others.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:39 PM (hku12)


However, one may be infected/infectious for two weeks without symptoms.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:42 PM (lnWzE)


Ok.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:43 PM (hku12)

570 Reduced human interaction ("social distancing") will reduce both rate of infection and lower the peak infection/hospitalization/infection #s (the explicit goal of the exercise), but with a lag.

Unless fire can't melt steel, or something.

Of course much (most?) of the characteristics of this bug remain little or only partially understood at this point - but it's not magic, therefore it requires human contact/proximity to spread.

As I've said for weeks, when you open the toolbox for epidemic control, you have only a selection of sledgehammers to choose from. Which seems ridiculous to those who think the world resembles dumbed down fiction or movies.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 01:44 PM (El6T/)

571 One person in 70 in NYC is sick enough to have been tested and have a positive test.

Posted by: An Observation at April 04, 2020 01:45 PM (gJwMg)

572 I sent my hairdresser a gif of Edward Scissor hands, saying "I'm gonna have to take matters into my own hands...".
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 01:40 PM (cF8AT)

ROFL.


I understand your pain.

I went to her house. She's a clean freak and had a few spray bottles of 1/5 bleach.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 01:46 PM (vF+fs)

573 The PRC may not have a handle on WuHan Flu after all. The Jia region of Henan province reportedly got put into lock down last Tuesday.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=97833


Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:48 PM (TYbfU)

574 The muzzie men are real fond of beards, and in some countries they are damn near mandatory.

I hope that works out for them, in the age of masks.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2020 01:49 PM (Z4rgH)

575 Reduced human interaction ("social distancing") will reduce both rate of infection and lower the peak infection/hospitalization/infection #s (the explicit goal of the exercise), but with a lag.

Unless fire can't melt steel, or something.

Of course much (most?) of the characteristics of this bug remain little or only partially understood at this point - but it's not magic, therefore it requires human contact/proximity to spread.

As I've said for weeks, when you open the toolbox for epidemic control, you have only a selection of sledgehammers to choose from. Which seems ridiculous to those who think the world resembles dumbed down fiction or movies.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 01:44 PM (El6T/)


It's probably also worth noting, even IF social distancing reduces the rate of infections (meaning fewer people in the long run get the virus), its primary goal is to reduce the SPEED at which new viruses occur.

So as to not overwhelm hospitals and supply chains.

It remains probable that when all is said and done, the whole social distancing thing, with all the changes in behavior, including the stoppage of the economy, will not result in fewer people having been infected, or fewer people dying.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:49 PM (hku12)

576 Steve Bannon's "Claws of the Red Dragon"

https://tinyurl.com/thzhbq8

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:50 PM (lnWzE)

577
However, one may be infected/infectious for two weeks without symptoms.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 01:42 PM (lnWzE)


Whatever.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 01:50 PM (Fs5vw)

578 I sent my hairdresser a gif of Edward Scissor hands, saying "I'm gonna have to take matters into my own hands...".

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 01:40
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*snort*

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 01:53 PM (Dhht7)

579 The PRC may not have a handle on WuHan Flu after all. The Jia region of Henan province reportedly got put into lock down last Tuesday.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=97833


Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2020 01:48 PM (TYbfU)


Wait a minute... when they said they had peaked at the end of... didn't they say January, when they said they had peaked, they might not have been telling the truth?

How is that possible??

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:53 PM (hku12)

580 Couple interesting things about the Trumpentwatters currently.

He endorses an idea put out by Dana Perino (many here are big fans!!) to have a 2nd WH task force set up on "re-opening" the economy. Seems that's happening, in effect, anyway, but whatever.

And it's clear Two Scoops has not lost sight of the Mega-Scandal/coup attempt, and is chomping at the bit for things to get moving on that front again.

Finally, apparently Trump campaign offices have been quietly donating food to hospitals and clinics, buying at local restaurants for delivery. Nice.

Just about everyone I know is making a conscious effort to support their local restaurants (most are doing 2 carry-out dinners per week).

Gonna call one of my favorite craft breweries and see if they've set up curb-side pick up yet - a few have.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 01:53 PM (El6T/)

581 "I DO NOT believe social distancing works"

Then you're a retard and I can safely skip whatever else you have to say.

Thanks for finding the important clip to warn me off anything 'Bulldog' says in future.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 04, 2020 01:55 PM (ykYG2)

582 Gah, just got email State District Court is closed to public. Can't check local and they are down till midnight for maintenance. Not sure if we can check pick-up box. Some things need to be originals.

And the SOS Notary Rules are draconian. What a fucked up mess.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 01:55 PM (vF+fs)

583 Just about everyone I know is making a conscious effort to support their local restaurants (most are doing 2 carry-out dinners per week).

Gonna call one of my favorite craft breweries and see if they've set up curb-side pick up yet - a few have.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 01:53 PM (El6T/)


All I know is that when we were heading to the grocery store the other day, Taco Bell drive through had cars lined up, wrapped all the way around the building, and people waiting to get into the parking lot.

Yeah, I'll eat at home.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:57 PM (hku12)

584 Yikes! Hope your wife just waits in the car.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 01:42
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Most definitely. She was starting to get WuFlu panic disease. We've taken her for couple of car rides this week. Seems to help her mental state.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 01:57 PM (Dhht7)

585 I was thinking about Texas Roadhouse takeout tonight.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 01:57 PM (vF+fs)

586 And I need to use the drive thru car wash. The 4 hours I was at work yesterday, the birds evidently had play dates in the nearby trees. Asshoes.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:00 PM (vF+fs)

587 A friend of mine pointed out that when people are confined at home for a plague or civil unrest they tend to get squirrelly.

I am.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 02:01 PM (rb4zU)

588 558---And my conjecture... which is only that, is the death rate will be something less than 1% EVERYWHERE, and it will have remained where these things always do, killing the elderly and immunocompromised.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:34 PM (hku12)
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Seems to me a reasonable forecast --- well, except for the "everywhere" part.

There can be no doubt that some countries will have a lower death rate than others simply because they are willing and able to use heroic measures for the elderly.

I have been fascinated by the difference between current deaths-per-million-population in Germany and those in the Netherlands --- currently at 16 and 96 respectively.

The N'lands just don't have many ICU beds, ventilators, etc., because ..... um .....um......
Let's just say they are out of the habit of wasting resources on the old.

(Oh, USA is at 24 deaths per mil-peeps, at the low end of highly exposed countries.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 02:03 PM (M/9m0)

589 I posit the following: fuck compliance.


Indeed. Fucking indubitably.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 02:04 PM (59YkD)

590 And I need to use the drive thru car wash. The 4 hours I was at work yesterday, the birds evidently had play dates in the nearby trees. Asshoes.
Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:00 PM (vF+fs)


Plus your car might have had Woohoo germs all over it. We must start sterilizing our vehicles.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 02:04 PM (Fs5vw)

591 I was thinking about Texas Roadhouse takeout tonight.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 01:57
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I heard they've got the takeout down pat. Limited menu items quick service. Not sure if this is done at all locations.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 02:05 PM (Dhht7)

592 I DO NOT believe social distancing works.

It always has for me.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 02:06 PM (59YkD)

593 558---And my conjecture... which is only that, is the death rate will be something less than 1% EVERYWHERE, and it will have remained where these things always do, killing the elderly and immunocompromised.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 01:34 PM (hku12)
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Seems to me a reasonable forecast --- well, except for the "everywhere" part.

There can be no doubt that some countries will have a lower death rate than others simply because they are willing and able to use heroic measures for the elderly.

I have been fascinated by the difference between current deaths-per-million-population in Germany and those in the Netherlands --- currently at 16 and 96 respectively.

The N'lands just don't have many ICU beds, ventilators, etc., because ..... um .....um......
Let's just say they are out of the habit of wasting resources on the old.

(Oh, USA is at 24 deaths per mil-peeps, at the low end of highly exposed countries.)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 02:03 PM (M/9m0)


Right, I'm sure that's true. I probably should not underestimate the value of actual, you know, first world medicine.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 02:06 PM (hku12)

594 I was thinking about Texas Roadhouse takeout tonight

We have been supporting our local Longhorn.

Hell of a lot cheaper when you don't have to pay for drinks.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 02:07 PM (59YkD)

595 I was thinking about Texas Roadhouse takeout tonight.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 01:57
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I heard they've got the takeout down pat. Limited menu items quick service. Not sure if this is done at all locations.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 02:05

I will try to remember to report back. The local one is participating.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:07 PM (vF+fs)

596 As bad is this is for the US, health wise and economically, it is worst, way worse for every other country...

Posted by: lin-duh at April 04, 2020 02:08 PM (UUBmN)

597 IG Horowitz issued statement lauding integrity of canned IC IG. Well isn't that special.

And of course the dumb, corrupt Sen Warner of VA issued the standard "OMG this is intolerable blah blah blah during a national emergency blah blah blah".

Meanwhile the loathsome cretin Schiff sits on Atkinson's transcript, refusing to release.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:08 PM (El6T/)

598 A take on surgical masks . . . . SFW but creeppy

https://tinyurl.com/ryxhzhe

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 02:09 PM (rb4zU)

599 Everything is closed and Wal-Mart will soon have velvet ropes out front. The communists won.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 04, 2020 02:09 PM (E2o2V)

600 571 One person in 70 in NYC is sick enough to have been tested and have a positive test.
Posted by: An Observation at April 04, 2020 01:45 PM (gJwMg)

So 98.6% of people in NYC either don't have it or are experiencing little to no symptoms. Thanks! that makes me feel better.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at April 04, 2020 02:10 PM (Wm5SB)

601 Everything is closed and Wal-Mart will soon have velvet ropes out front. The communists won.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 04, 2020 02:09 PM (E2o2V)


We had to go thru the cattle lines yesterday to get into our WalMart. One door only with rope lines. Managers at the door. Have no idea what that was supposed to accomplish because once inside it was clogged aisles throughout.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 02:11 PM (lwiT4)

602 Everything is closed and Wal-Mart will soon have velvet ropes out front. The communists won.

Agreed. I don't think we are shoving this back into Pandora's Box.

"New normal" may be just that.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 02:13 PM (59YkD)

603 Soon they will count guests. You will have to wait for someone to leave to enter.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 04, 2020 02:13 PM (E2o2V)

604 Sock Monkey, I have never said what penguin person is representing me as saying.
Posted by: Emmie

Not to worry Emmie, as usual, I am applying a minimal amount of focus on the thread. IMHO,you are one of the more well balanced commentors here.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...covid survivor at April 04, 2020 02:14 PM (NXJEt)

605 social distancing works, if you are willing to scrub down and never
touch anything and shed your outer clothing like you suspect you have
been hit with mustard agent. Aerosols land on things other than your
mucous membranes. They land on your clothing, the floor, the counter,
on your carefully gloved hands that never touch anything . . .


Higher airflow and better filtering of air systems might, I suspect, work better. As would maybe some UV

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 02:15 PM (rb4zU)

606 The media is hyping the panic.

Direct quote from the local rag this am:

In other matters, the governor implored Coloradoans who are trying to apply for unemployment benefits but are having trouble doing to to have patients.

I shit you not.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:15 PM (vF+fs)

607 A take on surgical masks . . . . SFW but creeppy

https://tinyurl.com/ryxhzhe
Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 02:09 PM (rb4zU)


Egad, thanks. I'll be seeing that in my dreams tonight.

Which, now that I think about it, might be better than seeing my uncle and his cigar.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 02:15 PM (hku12)

608 In other matters, the governor implored Coloradoans who are trying to apply for unemployment benefits but are having trouble doing to to have patients.
Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:15 PM (vF+fs)


But not all of them are doctors.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 02:16 PM (t+qrx)

609 "Everything is closed and Wal-Mart will soon have velvet ropes out front. The communists won."




I was in Home Depot the other day and were streaming customers in through one entrance and out one exit, instead of the usual free-flow through multiple doors. I don't see how this helps anything, even in theory. Actual ended up with people closer than normal.

Posted by: Ripley at April 04, 2020 02:17 PM (MxEKc)

610 In other matters, the governor implored Coloradoans who are trying to apply for unemployment benefits but are having trouble doing to to have patients.
Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:15 PM (vF+fs)

But not all of them are doctors.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 04, 2020 02:16 PM (t+qrx)


You vill haff patients, comrade.

No, you will not be immune to malpractice lawsuits. Don't be silly.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 02:20 PM (hku12)

611 Everything is closed and Wal-Mart will soon have velvet ropes out front. The communists won.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 04, 2020 02:09 PM (E2o2V)


They want us standing in line for bread and toilet paper that isn't there

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 02:20 PM (2UlTd)

612 Masks. If "they" want me to wear one, "they" can provide them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 04, 2020 02:21 PM (miJU3)

613 Before only a few wore masks, they were scared of looking stupid.Now since it's recommended 3/4 of the people I see are wearing masks.I have worn on since my county got it's first confirmed case.

Posted by: obsidian at April 04, 2020 02:22 PM (7+yqP)

614 No, you will not be immune to malpractice lawsuits. Don't be silly.
Posted by: BurtTC

CO Bar suggests we check with our legal malpractice insurance re remote notarization. Na, 15 foot long conference table and lots of wipes.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:23 PM (vF+fs)

615 I don't see how this helps anything, even in theory.


If smart people can't understand it , it's probably some nanny-state fascist control freak living out their dictatorial fantasies.


Some people simply can't be happy unless they are controlling other people.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 02:24 PM (59YkD)

616 593---Right, I'm sure that's true. I probably should not underestimate the value of actual, you know, first world medicine.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 02:06 PM (hku12)
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Combined with Oldthink morals, that is.
They have to be ,not only able, but willing.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 02:24 PM (M/9m0)

617 Just watching Talking Head, Life During Wartime. Seems quite appropriate

Posted by: Pete Seria at April 04, 2020 02:24 PM (7ZQe3)

618 I'm not all that scared of this virus thing. The number of cases in my county are super small. Deaths are non-existent. I am much more concerned about what this is doing to our economy and our freedoms.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 02:25 PM (lwiT4)

619 One billion quatloo bet to anyone who pretends to believe that any tiny bit of these distancing measures will exist one nano-second past whatever form an "all-clear" takes.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:25 PM (El6T/)

620 Combined with Oldthink morals, that is.
They have to be ,not only able, but willing.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille


Maybe this 'crisis' will spur a return to that.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:26 PM (vF+fs)

621 One store we use has been limiting #s of customers inside at a time and it's great - much fast/easier, and effortless to stay spaced out.

I'll make sure to denounce them next time I go, maybe tomorrow morning.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:27 PM (El6T/)

622 If Trump threatened to postpone the national elections I bet this would all be over faster than you could turn around.

Posted by: lin-duh at April 04, 2020 02:27 PM (UUBmN)

623 587 A friend of mine pointed out that when people are confined at home for a plague or civil unrest they tend to get squirrelly.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 02:01 PM (rb4zU)
--------------------------------
Nuts!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 02:27 PM (M/9m0)

624 Probably already mentioned but Spectator has good piece "Not All Corona Cases Are Created Equal" talking about the age distribution of the plague.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 02:28 PM (SwWMX)

625 "One person in 70 in NYC is sick enough to have been tested and have a positive test."

and of the 69.0 others, 42.3 have been infected at various lower levels ... and with varying degrees of strength in their own immune system. Some had natural immunity carryover from other coronavirus, some had small inoculum and defeated it without developing resistance, many developed anti-bodies and no to mild symptoms.


Only random antibody tests will give us a better understanding of those numbers. (I of course made up the 42.3 number, adding the point three for dramatic effect , but it seems possible, and the herd immunity will be developed as the curve rolls over, not accounting for broad application of HCQ+Z)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 02:28 PM (Cus5s)

626 If Trump threatened to postpone the national elections I bet this would all be over faster than you could turn around.
Posted by: lin-duh at April 04, 2020 02:27 PM (UUBmN)

Heh, not taking that bet.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:28 PM (vF+fs)

627 Probably already mentioned but Spectator has good piece "Not All Corona Cases Are Created Equal" talking about the age distribution of the plague.
Posted by: rammajam


Misinformation.

Now BLOCKED

Posted by: google at April 04, 2020 02:29 PM (1g7ch)

628 Seems to me that most of these cases are concentrated in particular areas of the country. I don't see why all the rest of us have to suffer because of NYC people who still ride the subways.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 02:30 PM (lwiT4)

629 I'm confusulated.

So if Trump threatened to cancel/postpone national elections, then the measures he supports would be dropped in a flash?

So he'd be bluffing himself out of things he supports doing - or something.

If only Comrade Stalin knew.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:30 PM (El6T/)

630 Soon they will count guests. You will have to wait for someone to leave to enter.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 04, 2020 02:13 PM (E2o2V)


I believe that is official Walmart policy as of today. The # of customers allowed in the store will be based on store square footage -- For a typical sized neighborhood market, that's around 50; for a supercenter, 150.

An interesting thing I saw about meals - There have been about 1 billion more home cooked meals than the same period last year.

Oh, and airline passengers are down 94% in the US.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2020 02:30 PM (Z4rgH)

631 Oh, and airline passengers are down 94% in the US.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2020 02:30 PM (Z4rgH)


My mom has friends that flew somewhere. They were the only people on the flight.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 02:32 PM (lwiT4)

632 622 If Trump threatened to postpone the national elections I bet this would all be over faster than you could turn around.

Posted by: lin-duh at April 04, 2020 02:27 PM (UUBmN)

There was a joke going around saying that exactly. I posted it on FB. 2-3 days later FB informed me that they removed it because it 'displayed false information'.

With all their billions, you'd think they could buy a sense of humor....

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 02:32 PM (cF8AT)

633 618 I'm not all that scared of this virus thing. The number of cases in my county are super small. Deaths are non-existent. I am much more concerned about what this is doing to our economy and our freedoms.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 02:25 PM (lwiT4)
-------------------------
Yes.

And even on a purely personal, selfish level there are reasons to balk at the draconian measures applied everywhere, regardless of conditions.

My 86-yr-old mother, for example, says she would rather observe Holy Week (and see baseball!) than be in a "safe" environment. She wishes the government would let HER choose what to do.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 02:33 PM (M/9m0)

634 I was in Home Depot the other day and were streaming customers in through one entrance and out one exit, instead of the usual free-flow through multiple doors. I don't see how this helps anything, even in theory. Actual ended up with people closer than normal.
Posted by: Ripley at April 04, 2020 02:17 PM (MxEKc)

A lot of this I suspect is window dressing for the inevitable lawsuits that WILL follow,
"My client got exposed to infection in YOUR store. YOU should have taken steps...."

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 02:33 PM (CqE5x)

635 My 86-yr-old mother, for example, says she would
rather observe Holy Week (and see baseball!) than be in a "safe"
environment. She wishes the government would let HER choose what to do.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 02:33 PM (M/9m0)



Exactly.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 02:34 PM (lwiT4)

636 Before only a few wore masks, they were scared of looking stupid.Now since it's recommended 3/4 of the people I see are wearing masks.I have worn on since my county got it's first confirmed case.
Posted by: obsidian at April 04, 2020 02:22 PM (7+yqP)


Leftists and deep state all nod in approval.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 02:35 PM (Fs5vw)

637 With all their billions, you'd think they could buy a sense of humor....
Posted by: Tami

lol. Humor does not comport with the narrative. You will be watched comrade.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:36 PM (vF+fs)

638 I wish my 80 year old mother could be with us forever, she wishes they hadn't canceled the Aggie Spring game. Perspective.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 02:36 PM (SwWMX)

639 GnuBreed, note that the virtual cessation of airline passenger traffic was mostly organic. Airline friends have been describing things for weeks, and the drop-off started back in early March, exactly when people I know in the bar/brewery/restaurant business saw their traffic fall off a cliff - a week before this state's official recommendations went public.

The all-knowing will call it panic, others might call it temporary prudence, but some of the hardest-hit sectors would have been hit very hard without any "lock-down" guidance or restrictions. And already were. Because people decided they didn't want to do X or Y, for the moment.

That prudence will evaporate as quickly as it (organically) sprang up, once it is believed we're on the downside of the curve, and/or transmission is better understood, and/or the narrow mortality impact (elderly and medically compromised) is confirmed or at least widely perceived to be the case.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:37 PM (El6T/)

640 By the way, did you ever manage to get a mask, that you were crying about not being available just a few days ago?
Posted by: db at April 04, 2020 11:41 AM (E0PSG)

Masks are basically unavailable, because they are all bought by fucktards driven to panic from reading doomsayers like yourself.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 04, 2020 02:37 PM (miJU3)

641 Why do i hear Hillary's diabolical, blood-curdling cackle beneath the din ?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 02:37 PM (CqE5x)

642 Seems to me that most of these cases are concentrated in particular areas of the country. I don't see why all the rest of us have to suffer because of NYC people who still ride the subways.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 02:30 PM (lwiT4)

+++++++++++++

If they get to enjoy the benefits of big-city living that others cannot (fresh Honduran bagels piled high with borsch at 3:00am, yeah!) they can enjoy a real quarantine alone too.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2020 02:38 PM (1g7ch)

643 "social distancing works, if you are willing to scrub down and never

touch anything and shed your outer clothing like you suspect you have
been hit with mustard agent."

this is true ... if the inoculum is out there, it may be a cloud that lingers long enough for you to walk through it, or leaves that slight film on everything, even the one product you pick up.


This is not sterile technique though ... which is why I keep repeating about minimizing the amount of inoculum you expose yourself to ... that makes a big difference, probably ALL the difference.


This is always true of "germs" ... and is why we clean and treat open wounds, even as we are exposed in other ways to the same germs. The initial dosage of inoculum makes all the difference ... so a degree of separation is going to help stop the high inoculum infections.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 02:38 PM (Cus5s)

644 628 Seems to me that most of these cases are concentrated in particular areas of the country. I don't see why all the rest of us have to suffer because of NYC people who still ride the subways.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 02:30 PM (lwiT4)
------------------------------
My daughter is currently living in S Korea.
Their rules vary greatly depending on local conditions.
In Seoul and a couple of other hot-spots, they run a tight ship. Elsewhere it's much looser.

BUT, they are very strict about travel to or from hot-spots. If said daughter were to take a trip to Seoul, she could not return to her city without undergoing a monitored quarantine in a designated facility.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 02:40 PM (M/9m0)

645 lol. Humor does not comport with the narrative. You will be watched comrade.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:36 PM (vF+fs)

If they're watching me, they will be bored to death.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 02:40 PM (cF8AT)

646 If Trump threatened to postpone the national elections I bet this would all be over faster than you could turn around.

Posted by: lin-duh at April 04, 2020 02:27 PM (UUBmN)

There was a joke going around saying that exactly. I posted it on FB. 2-3 days later FB informed me that they removed it because it 'displayed false information'.

With all their billions, you'd think they could buy a sense of humor....
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 02:32 PM (cF8AT)



So Bookface supports/believes indefinite lockdown and/or suspending elections?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2020 02:41 PM (1g7ch)

647 That prudence will evaporate as quickly as it (organically) sprang up, once it is believed we're on the downside of the curve, and/or transmission is better understood, and/or the narrow mortality impact (elderly and medically compromised) is confirmed or at least widely perceived to be the case.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:37 PM (El6T/)

Except for the cohort in their 20's and 30's who are going to go into orgiastic overdrive, I disagree. I think there are more low-risk people these days than we think. This will stay with them for awhile.

The only caveat would be a vaccine or a quick, safe cure.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 02:41 PM (CqE5x)

648 A lot of this I suspect is window dressing for the inevitable lawsuits that WILL follow,
"My client got exposed to infection in YOUR store. YOU should have taken steps...."

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 02:33 PM (CqE5x)


The Karen Stasi reporting for duty

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 02:42 PM (2UlTd)

649
I'm not all that scared of this virus thing. The number of cases in my county are super small. Deaths are non-existent. I am much more concerned about what this is doing to our economy and our freedoms.
Posted by: grammie winger


Gradually, then suddenly.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 04, 2020 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

650 My BF's wife is a nurse. She strips in the garage and puts clothes in a bag before entering the house. I asked him what time is the show.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 02:43 PM (Dhht7)

651
This is always true of "germs" ... and is why we clean and treat open wounds, even as we are exposed in other ways to the same germs. The initial dosage of inoculum makes all the difference ... so a degree of separation is going to help stop the high inoculum infections.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 02:38 PM (Cus5s)


We'll never know. The government will make sure of that.

IMHO, it ain't making a fucking bit of difference except by dividing us even further.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 02:44 PM (Fs5vw)

652 I have been practicing social distancing my entire life....

I should have copyrighted it years ago.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 04, 2020 02:45 PM (Z+IKu)

653 If they're watching me, they will be bored to death.
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 02:40 PM (cF8AT)

That's why they don't like us normy's.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:45 PM (vF+fs)

654 My wife was an RN in ICU for years and either did the garage strip or the at work strip for the really dodgy stuff - part of the deal. Not sexy when you heard the cases they were dealing with.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 02:46 PM (SwWMX)

655 From reading a lot about the beer virus (what else is there to do?), my observation is that:

Sweden & S. Korea, which have NOT shut down their economies, are doing at least as well as other nations which did so.

I don't know what that suggests the U.S. should do, at this point. Trump is committed to following expert medical advice, & he can't change course now, I suspect.

Posted by: mnw at April 04, 2020 02:46 PM (Cssks)

656 A lot of this I suspect is window dressing for the inevitable lawsuits that WILL follow,
"My client got exposed to infection in YOUR store. YOU should have taken steps...."

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 02:33 PM (CqE5x)


I think this is absolutely inevitable. Of course, it might be 20 years before your particular case gets heard...

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2020 02:48 PM (Z4rgH)

657 I don't know what that suggests the U.S. should do, at this point. Trump is committed to following expert medical advice, & he can't change course now, I suspect.
Posted by: mnw at April 04, 2020 02:46 PM (Cssks)


Yes. He can.

Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 02:48 PM (Fs5vw)

658 I feel sorry for small children during all this. No, they aren't particularly at risk from this (so they say) but from now on, they are going to be even more swaddled and coddled and bubble-wrapped than ever before,destined to grow up without experiencing the joys (and health benefits) of playing in the dirt and putting rocks in their mouths.....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 02:48 PM (CqE5x)

659 "IMHO, it ain't making a fucking bit of difference except by dividing us even further."

I did a chart starting March 4th, of deaths, pretty much the very start ... the spread sheet can add an exponential trend line (log chart) .... before and after that social distancing show no difference at all. I forget exactly when the rules became more strict, but mid-March. (beware the ides of March)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 02:48 PM (Cus5s)

660 mnw, South Korea has taken very quick, draconian measures (as noted by another commenter just above). And there are of course lots of differences between the two countries.

Sweden, we'll see how it works out.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:49 PM (El6T/)

661 I don't know what that suggests the U.S. should do, at this point. Trump is committed to following expert medical advice, & he can't change course now, I suspect.
Posted by: mnw at April 04, 2020 02:46 PM (Cssks)


Yes. He can.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 02:48 PM (Fs5vw)

But he has to "time it" just right

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 02:49 PM (CqE5x)

662 Chances are that if you have cases in your locality and especially deaths, they are centered in nursing homes - sad but true. The exception are hives like NYC that compounds density with having had open access to places like Iran and China in the early part of the year.. I realize how lucky I was to get in and out of there in late February with nothing other than my usual feeling about the place.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 02:49 PM (SwWMX)

663
Yes. He can.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 02:48 PM (Fs5vw)

Circumstances change. The response must change.

Toodles, off for a car wash and beer run.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:51 PM (vF+fs)

664 What an effin' asshole!

@NYGovCuomo

We finally got some good news today.

The Chinese government helped facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will arrive in JFK today.

I thank the Chinese government, Jack Ma, Joe Tsai, the Jack Ma Foundation, the Tsai Foundation and Consul General Huang.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 02:51 PM (cF8AT)

665 Trump is committed to following expert medical advice, & he can't change course now, I suspect.
Posted by: mnw at April 04, 2020 02:46 PM (Cssks)
---------------------------

IIRC, Birx or Fauci said at one of the pressers that it's the President's call balancing medical advice with economic advice.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 02:52 PM (Dhht7)

666 What an effin' asshole!

@NYGovCuomo

We finally got some good news today.

The Chinese government helped facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will arrive in JFK today.

I thank the Chinese government, Jack Ma, Joe Tsai, the Jack Ma Foundation, the Tsai Foundation and Consul General Huang.
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 02:51 PM (cF8AT)

He really is a prick.
And no, he has no chance of being president. Not this year, and not in 2024.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 02:52 PM (CqE5x)

667
The Chinese government helped facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will arrive in JFK today.



F' the Chinese and F' Cuomo

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2020 02:54 PM (5bxa0)

668 Since reading and thinking about Ace's comment about whether someone has "the right to be a disease vector" I have been thinking about being manipulated through a sense of disgust and fear of disease, which are interlocked.
It is worse for me since I do now believe what is given to us as news is actually misinformation crafted to manipulate and control me and everyone else.


There are some people who are completely at risk from the WuFlu and I think they are potential fatalities in all families nowadays, but there are people with very low threshold for things they find disgusting. This is separate from concern for the lives of our loved ones.

Disgust is an element of identifying Taboo. Disgust does not create Taboo, as Taboo is what creates disgust; it is what acts as a wall around Taboo to keep our minds out.

Taboo is things like dietary limitations, your average musleman considers pork to be disgusting to consider, much less eat.
Generally we have Taboo things too, like eating live baby mice. A lot of disgust has been pointed out around this whole thing.

I wonder (in the shower sort of musing) if we are being primed for new Taboos as a form of social control.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 02:54 PM (rb4zU)

669 Toodles, off for a car wash and beer run.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 02:51
--------------------------
Mind picking me up a 30-pack. I'm down to 3. I'll pay you back Tuesday.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 02:54 PM (Dhht7)

670 What an effin' asshole!



@NYGovCuomo



We finally got some good news today.



The Chinese government helped facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will arrive in JFK today.



I thank the Chinese government, Jack Ma, Joe Tsai, the Jack Ma Foundation, the Tsai Foundation and Consul General Huang.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 02:51 PM (cF8AT)


They'll probably work as well as the test kits that China sent Spain

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 02:55 PM (2UlTd)

671 639 The all-knowing will call it panic, others might call it temporary prudence, but some of the hardest-hit sectors would have been hit very hard without any "lock-down" guidance or restrictions. And already were. Because people decided they didn't want to do X or Y, for the moment.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:37 PM (El6T/)

Yup. I'll disagree with you on it all snapping back though. Some sectors will more or less vanish. Cruise ships, for example.

Buffett bought big stakes in a couple of airlines a few weeks ago, anticipating a federal bailout and subsequent stock bump. Well, they are getting some bailout but it didn't help their stocks, and yesterday he dumped those stocks.

So apparently he concluded that the drop in traffic is more... permanent.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2020 02:55 PM (Z4rgH)

672 rhomboid

The conservative writer Patricia McCarthy has an article today, at American Thinker (I THINK), describing what S.Korea has done in detail.

Based of her description, I wouldn't call the measures taken "draconian" at all. More like common sense. But the factories & schools are OPEN right now, & they never closed.

Sweden closed its school & universities, but that's about all, from what I read. Ski resorts & everything else are running normally.

Posted by: mnw at April 04, 2020 02:56 PM (Cssks)

673
The Chinese government helped facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will arrive in JFK today.


Do we know how many NY'ers are on ventilators?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2020 02:56 PM (5bxa0)

674 He's been sent 1000's by the US taxpayer and who does he thank, the fuckin' Chinese!

Not that he'll see it but I told him this is why people have a problem with NY-ers.

Keep kissing Chinese ass, Cuomo...Lord know what else you'll pick up.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 02:57 PM (cF8AT)

675 South Korea has a very different economic and human geography, reacted very early, has travel controls and contact tracing and individual quarantine. I'd say very, very different than the wildly diverse situations we have here, and we have either none, or only rudiments, of their key responses. Apples and durian.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:59 PM (El6T/)

676 now I see it, KT linked to the dosage thing ... a NY Times opinion, say the distinction of dosage has not been made enough.


"Virus experts know that viral dose affects illness severity. In the lab, mice receiving a low dose of virus clear it and recover, while the same virus at a higher dose kills them. Dose sensitivity has been observed for every common acute viral infection that has been studied in lab animals, including coronaviruses."

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 02:59 PM (Cus5s)

677 @RealMattCouch

BREAKING: New York "Accidentally" Delivered Coronavirus patients to the USNS Comfort... Which was supposed to only be for NON Coronavirus Patients..

The hits just keep on rolling with the morons in charge of New York..

https://tinyurl.com/yx3wv4k3

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 03:00 PM (cF8AT)

678
BREAKING: New York "Accidentally" Delivered Coronavirus patients to the USNS Comfort... Which was supposed to only be for NON Coronavirus Patients..

The hits just keep on rolling with the morons in charge of New York..

You can bet the "media" will be blaming Trump for this today

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2020 03:00 PM (5bxa0)

679
@NYGovCuomo

He really is a prick.
And no, he has no chance of being president. Not this year, and not in 2024.
Posted by: JoeF.


They were hyperventilating about his father running in 1992 but it never happened. He wouldn't have received many votes outside of New York either.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 04, 2020 03:03 PM (aKsyK)

680 I never (heart)ed cruise ships anyway. Anybody who tries to see Alaska, for example, from a cruise ship won't.

You can't sail to the spectacular parts.

Posted by: mnw at April 04, 2020 03:04 PM (Cssks)

681 "Virus experts know that viral dose affects illness severity. In the lab, mice receiving a low dose of virus clear it and recover, while the same virus at a higher dose kills them. Dose sensitivity has been observed for every common acute viral infection that has been studied in lab animals, including coronaviruses."

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 02:59 PM (Cus5s)


Facts is facts, even if they come from some rando at the NYT. They can't all be wrong all the time.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2020 03:05 PM (Z4rgH)

682 660 mnw, South Korea has taken very quick, draconian measures (as noted by another commenter just above). And there are of course lots of differences between the two countries.

Sweden, we'll see how it works out.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 02:49 PM (El6T/)
------------------------------------------
Exactly.
And the notion that Sweden is doing just fine,....well,....
I dunno.
They have 6 times the deaths of Norway and nearly 4 times as many deaths per million population.

The Swedes are quite progressive, of course, even if not as much so as the Beneluxers, who positively pride themselves on upholding the "right to die." (A Dutch friend told my son than putting an oldster on a ventilator is demeaning. A natural death is more dignified.)

This is scary stuff --- especially when even someone like me, an ardent opponent of "progressive" triage, wonders whether shutting down a whole economy to save a few oldsters is sensible.
*sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 03:05 PM (M/9m0)

683 The Chinese government helped facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will arrive in JFK today.


900 hundred of them were named "Li" .

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 03:07 PM (59YkD)

684 Joe Rogan, who supported Sen. Bernie Sanders in the primary election:

"I'd rather vote for Trump than [Biden]. I don't think he can handle anything. You're relying entirely on his cabinet."

Posted by: WuHAN Solo at April 04, 2020 03:10 PM (Rg3Mf)

685 BREAKING: New York "Accidentally" Delivered Coronavirus patients to the USNS Comfort... Which was supposed to only be for NON Coronavirus Patients..

The hits just keep on rolling with the morons in charge of New York..

https://tinyurl.com/yx3wv4k3
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 03:00 PM (cF8AT)



Sure are a lot of 'accidents' that are used to portray Trump in a negative light. Almost like a significant number of oppo by BAMN.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2020 03:11 PM (1g7ch)

686 Well, not as productive as I had hoped. The drive thru car was was closed and blocked off.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 03:15 PM (vF+fs)

687 667 Well said

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 03:16 PM (SwWMX)

688 Saturday afternoon radio sports show, which usually has Georgia college sports playing rerun of some football game from 4 years ago.

I imagine sports fans must be desperate Maybe this gives them hope. Or maybe they wont notice if they drink enough beer.

Posted by: Ripley at April 04, 2020 03:17 PM (MxEKc)

689 >>>This is scary stuff --- especially when even someone like me, an ardent opponent of "progressive" triage, wonders whether shutting down a whole economy to save a few oldsters is sensible.
*sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 03:05 PM (M/9m0)


Just put them on a gurney and roll them to the back hall. _NHS

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 03:18 PM (lnWzE)

690 Mind picking me up a 30-pack. I'm down to 3. I'll pay you back Tuesday.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 02:54

I have an extra 12 pack I can spare.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 03:19 PM (vF+fs)

691 Looks like 3 of the hottest hot spots - NY, LA, MI - are projected to reach their peak in 5 days. NJ, oddly, seems to be improving, meaning a lower peak/fewer total number than earlier projected.

So by mid-week next week I think there will be a much better perspective on the whole thing, as well as a lot more info for the scientists to work with.

States with very late projected peaks (VA, MO) may benefit the most if (as I have always expected), things go better than earlier projected. WH has shied away from regional distinctions (though state-level discretion on the less restrictive side has consistently been endorsed by Trump, though you have to listen to hear it, it's not a bald stand-alone statement) on the way up the curve - I think there will be more flexibility on the way down.

Especially if enough serology data (finding out how widespread infection and exposure has been, more solid estimates thereof) looks right.

Poor Italy looks to have plateaued, several days of declining new cases.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 03:21 PM (El6T/)

692 Where are you seeing figures?
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2020 01:15 PM (lwiT4)

Dot-matrix rectal printer.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 04, 2020 03:22 PM (miJU3)

693 685 BREAKING: New York "Accidentally" Delivered Coronavirus patients to the USNS Comfort... Which was supposed to only be for NON Coronavirus Patients..

The hits just keep on rolling with the morons in charge of New York..

https://tinyurl.com/yx3wv4k3
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 03:00 PM (cF8AT)


The old Navy would have visited Marines upon Cuomo and arrested him. Maybe take him on board the Comfort.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 03:22 PM (lnWzE)

694 688 Georgia will probably still lose.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 04, 2020 03:23 PM (SwWMX)

695 "688 Georgia will probably still lose.

Posted by: rammajamma"

Tied with Fighting Irish at end of 1st quarter. Good game, could go either way.

Posted by: Ripley at April 04, 2020 03:26 PM (MxEKc)

696 Looks like 3 of the hottest hot spots - NY, LA, MI - are projected to reach their peak in 5 days. NJ, oddly, seems to be improving, meaning a lower peak/fewer total number than earlier projected.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Where possible, Democrat governors will be given ALL the credit.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 03:28 PM (CqE5x)

697 Interesting that a New Yorker - Teh Donald - shines, while other New Yorkers - Cuomo and DeBlasio - have (mostly) shown their a**es, in the same crisis.

But Don brings (mostly) the refreshing, likable, or at least entertaining New York features - plain-spoken, direct, brash but usually in a good way, optimistic, can-do, energetic. The other guys - arrogant, entitled, back-stabbing (again, not entirely - there has been a tenuous love-fest between the WH and both for over a week now, in public).

One thing already looks certain. As improbable as Trump seemed, on paper, to be a great president, it's hard to imagine anyone better suited to *this* particular and distinctive crisis.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 03:28 PM (El6T/)

698 "Where possible, Democrat governors will be given ALL the credit.



Posted by: JoeF"


But in all cases, Trump where be blamed for ruining the economy.

Posted by: Ripley at April 04, 2020 03:29 PM (MxEKc)

699 Is this the thread for the coronavirus task force press briefing?

https://preview.tinyurl.com/tsms9ll

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 03:30 PM (UZ8BZ)

700 677 @RealMattCouch

BREAKING: New York "Accidentally" Delivered Coronavirus patients to the USNS Comfort... Which was supposed to only be for NON Coronavirus Patients..

The hits just keep on rolling with the morons in charge of New York..

https://tinyurl.com/yx3wv4k3
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2020 03:00 PM (cF8AT)

ouch

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 03:31 PM (UZ8BZ)

701 the first two cases my county had were both people that had traveled, they did not give details. They tried to contact those they had been in touch with after they got back ... since that we have one that says he had not traveled. Of course that's the problem with not having the S Korea rules of quarantine if you have traveled, especially from a hot zone.


The average incubation period is 5 days ... probably two of those days the person can infect others with no awareness on the part of any involved in that point of contact spread. So yeah, that is a pretty big difference from S Korea ... street parade (NY and New Orleans) with traveling bands of revelers ... went home to spread it.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 03:32 PM (Cus5s)

702 361 I shall repeat, paraphrasing a rather well known (but not working under CDC/WHO) virologist: The difference between having 100 machine guns firing at you (not wearing mask) and having 1 machine gun firing at you (wearing mask).

Either way, the bullets are gonna hit you.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 04, 2020 12:41 PM (hku12)

Nice.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 03:33 PM (UZ8BZ)

703 Time will tell, but I don't see Trump getting blame vs. governors, who in literally every case are the ones who issued actual binding guidelines, and made specific calls.

If it goes as I expect, I actually don't see a lot of "blame" attaching to governors, either.

If it is perceived that the public health outcome is acceptable and the measures taken were reasonable under the circumstances, I expect most will be looking ahead and not behind.

Specific bone-head stunts by specific governors (looking at you, MI, and also at NV) might play, but may be lost in the shuffle. Especially as they're being rescinded.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 03:33 PM (El6T/)

704 Yes. He can.
Posted by: Sooner at April 04, 2020 02:48 PM (Fs5vw)

Easily. "We got some new figures in, and it looks like the measures we have been taking are so successful, that we can lighten up in some areas, effective immediately."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 04, 2020 03:34 PM (miJU3)

705 I hope all the "reporters" will be wearing masks. For so many reasons.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 03:36 PM (UZ8BZ)

706
I hope all the "reporters" will be wearing masks. For so many reasons.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 03:36 PM (UZ8BZ)


Like Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 03:37 PM (dFmBz)

707 is the navy insisting the ronas be returned? They should. NYC is trying to dump patients

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 03:41 PM (ONvIw)

708 press conference time has been delayed to 4pm

Category:
White House Event
Format:
News Conference
Location:
Briefing Room, White House, Washington, District of Columbia, United States
Will Air:
Apr 04, 2020 | 4:00pm EDT | C-SPAN 1
Airing Details

Apr 04, 2020 | 4:00pm EDT | C-SPAN 1

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 03:41 PM (UZ8BZ)

709 >>>Easily. "We got some new figures in, and it looks like the measures we have been taking are so successful, that we can lighten up in some areas, effective immediately."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 04, 2020 03:34 PM (miJU3)


But they haven't.
The last time Birx spoke on that she said it appeared that some areas were not following the guidelines and were doing worse than anticipated.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 03:42 PM (lnWzE)

710 MIT initiates mass manufacture of disposable face shields for Covid-19 response

https://tinyurl.com/tv4jkk3

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 03:43 PM (rb4zU)

711 The last time Birx spoke on that she said it appeared that some areas
were not following the guidelines and were doing worse than anticipated.



"The beatings will continue until everyone's health improves."

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 03:45 PM (59YkD)

712 Ugh. Notre Dame scored TD, now 10-3. Need another beer.

Posted by: Ripley at April 04, 2020 03:47 PM (MxEKc)

713 166 If Mask wearing helps get People out of this quarantine then I am for it, you don't know if you are sick and are spreading it. My Wife works in the Hospital and she's scared, she wasn't scared during the AIDS crisis but this stuff scares her.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 04, 2020 11:59 AM (dKiJG)

Sorry, Patrick; give her a big "thank you!" from me, please.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 03:47 PM (UZ8BZ)

714 ouch
Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 03:31 PM (UZ8BZ)

They need to be returned and the sending hospital needs to be hit with EMTALA violations, the fines for which are very significant

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 03:48 PM (ONvIw)

715 The demorats will blame DJT for NY deaths. Just another day ending in Y.

Posted by: azalea city at April 04, 2020 03:49 PM (WX+x0)

716 BREAKING: DADDY ORANGE DEMANDS PEOPLE NOT FLUSH TOILETS OR BATH. OR ELSE.

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE CALVIN KLEIN at April 04, 2020 03:49 PM (Pzzpr)

717 MIT initiates mass manufacture of disposable face shields for Covid-19 response

https://tinyurl.com/tv4jkk3

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 03:43
--------------------------
They're going to have to put more trash cans in the rooms to handles those.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 03:50 PM (Dhht7)

718 Seems none of the Cuomos have an IQ above 80.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 03:50 PM (vF+fs)

719 >>>"The beatings will continue until everyone's health improves."


I honestly don't understand it.
We voted for Trump, we've seen him fight for us, go through hell for us for three years. We know him to be honest and a man of his word.

And now, he asks us to suffer this for one month.
Is that really too much?

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 03:51 PM (lnWzE)

720
And now, he asks us to suffer this for one month.
Is that really too much?
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 03:51 PM (lnWzE)

Different venues have different stats. One rule should not cover the entire Country!

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 03:52 PM (vF+fs)

721 Ugh. Notre Dame scored TD, now 10-3. Need another beer.

Posted by: Ripley at April 04, 2020 03:47
--------------------
Me, too. Go ND!

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 03:53 PM (Dhht7)

722 And now, he asks us to suffer this for one month.

Is that really too much?


Yes.

It is precisely too much.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 03:56 PM (59YkD)

723 Different venues have different stats. One rule should not cover the entire Country!
Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 03:52 PM (vF+fs)

I agree, but the problem is that infected people will gravitate to fewer restrictions and better supplies, like the NYers who went to Rhode Island and points South. Then the problem will spread into your enclaves. It won't matter if they have homes there, if you have rentals and hotels.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 03:56 PM (ONvIw)

724 The lack of strict travel controls hurts (though probably simply infeasible, in this society).

The de facto collapse in travel helps.

But I still think there will be regional distinctions and changes in posture based on local realities - on the down-side of the curve.

It's not quite like kremlinology, but one has to listen to Trump's comments closely. Several times he has responded to questions at the briefings by saying, essentiall: 1) he supports strict measures taken by governors in states with high infection 2) he understands that places with low infection will have different policies.

In the context of stable/falling numbers in the major hotspots*, this translates into regional distinctions and variable "re-opening".

* NYC has been/hopefully will remain a unique case, for various reasons, so it likely will be under pressure for much longer

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 03:56 PM (El6T/)

725 217 Oh, that's me in the top pic on the right...
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 04, 2020 12:08 PM (6ofTb)

She has a sort of Margaux Hemingway look.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 03:57 PM (UZ8BZ)

726 Then the problem will spread into your enclaves

The "problem" that is not even close to matching a bad flu season.


I know! Let's kill the entire economy until people stop dying!



Yeah!


#welcometogovernmentbydoctor

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 03:58 PM (59YkD)

727 * NYC has been/hopefully will remain a unique case, for various reasons, so it likely will be under pressure for much longer
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 03:56 PM (El6T/)

I hope so, but they've fled all over the Eastern Seaboard. If the infections don't spike elsewhere, and we blow the bridges and flood the tunnels, we can open the rest of the country. Because they are still leaving NYC

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:00 PM (ONvIw)

728 Eww, on C-SPAN, they're showing wet markets.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:01 PM (UZ8BZ)

729 In case anybody wants, and doesn't have, the White House link for the coronavirus task force press briefing; it will be on youtube, here:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/tsms9ll

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:04 PM (UZ8BZ)

730 Texas has put quarantine restrictions on travelers coming into the state. All from the states of CA, WA, NY, LA, and NJ. They are checking airports, points of vehicle entry and license plates inside the state.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:04 PM (lnWzE)

731 And all the parts are moving, most of which makes it more likely that restrictions will be shortened, or at least varied.

The hydroxychloroquine prophylactic/therapy.

Other therapies, presumably including serum, the oldest epidemic "cure".

Data confirming that lethality is mostly confined to readily identifiable cohorts (elderly, medically compromised).

All of these will interact with the naturally downward-sloping curve, past the peak, to make relaxation more likely, and lower-risk (public health-wise).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:05 PM (El6T/)

732 Babylon Bee --

Everyone Jumps Off Bridge After New Government Order Telling Everyone To Jump Off Bridge
"Everyone jump off a bridge," said a representative of the government.


"OK," said everyone. "If the government says so, it's probably a good idea. Besides, what can we do? It's the government. They definitely have the best people working on it."

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:05 PM (59YkD)

733 cameras running in the briefing room

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:05 PM (UZ8BZ)

734 732 Babylon Bee --

Everyone Jumps Off Bridge After New Government Order Telling Everyone To Jump Off Bridge
"Everyone jump off a bridge," said a representative of the government.


"OK," said everyone. "If the government says so, it's probably a good idea. Besides, what can we do? It's the government. They definitely have the best people working on it."
Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:05 PM (59YkD)

Have you seen the comic xkcd on that topic?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:06 PM (UZ8BZ)

735 726 Then the problem will spread into your enclaves

The "problem" that is not even close to matching a bad flu season.


I know! Let's kill the entire economy until people stop dying!

Yeah!

#welcometogovernmentbydoctor
Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 03:58 PM (59YkD)

Hey, I'm all in favor of quarantining the hotspots.
I'm in favor of yanking the Comfort out of NYC and moving it to FL or some other place that will follow the rules. I hate being locked down because on 39 cases in my town and all NYC commuters. It's bullshit we'd have more of it locally if NYC felt they could have more fun here.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:06 PM (ONvIw)

736 xkcd bridge jump:

https://xkcd.com/1170/

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:07 PM (UZ8BZ)

737 730 Texas has put quarantine restrictions on travelers coming into the state. All from the states of CA, WA, NY, LA, and NJ. They are checking airports, points of vehicle entry and license plates inside the state.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:04 PM (lnWzE)

They better check drivers' licenses as plenty of people fleeing will get rental cars with plates from safer places.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:08 PM (ONvIw)

738
Hey, I'm all in favor of quarantining the hotspots.


I know. Not aimed at you . Just broke and broken.


Life has become a Twilight Zone episode.


#winning?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:08 PM (59YkD)

739 Alaska, Delaware, and Florida also establish quarantine rules for out of state travelers.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:09 PM (lnWzE)

740 730 Texas has put quarantine restrictions on travelers coming into the state. All from the states of CA, WA, NY, LA, and NJ. They are checking airports, points of vehicle entry and license plates inside the state.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:04 PM (lnWzE)

They started that about a week, 10 days ago, didn't they?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:09 PM (UZ8BZ)

741 CN, it's true that infection will "travel" from place to place absent draconian travel restrictions that simply aren't going to happen, but that doesn't make other places NYC.

NYC is so bad - almost certainly - not just due to early high rates of infection due to foreign travel exposure - and belated responses - but to its basic human and economic geography. Density, public transportation - I think that's 90% of it.

An infected NYer - or Jerseyite, or person from NOLA or Detroit - heading to a vacation house in Duck, NC may infect some people, but Duck isn't/won't/can't be the same kind of environment for transmission.

And the bug is, if not everywhere, most places by now (serology data will start to let us know pretty soon how widespread it is, geographically and in terms of the population).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:09 PM (El6T/)

742 hah
"maybe they'll find cookies?"

Well. Maybe...

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:10 PM (59YkD)

743 here's the C-SPAN link, in case anybody wants it:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/s8vzhae

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:11 PM (UZ8BZ)

744 FL I knew. AK? Well that's probably the easiest one to police.

One airport and a few ferry landings - done (well, OK, mostly one airport, suppose you'd have to monitor at Juneau too).

DE?? Um, how is that gonna work? Since the state is basically a short stretch astride the world's busiest highway, huh? Seal people in their cars when they cross the JFK Bridge or something? A zillion people transit DE in normal times, few "go there".

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:12 PM (El6T/)

745 Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:05 PM (El6T/)


White House site says 3:30 pfft. Someone upstream said 4:00. Anyway

Soon we'll hear the new numbers.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:12 PM (lnWzE)

746 Time to graze in the kitchen.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 04:13 PM (vF+fs)

747 www.whitehouse.gov/live for the briefings (or other WH events, in normal times)

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:13 PM (El6T/)

748 "The beatings will continue until everyone's health improves."
Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 03:45 PM (59YkD)



Please! It is called the Community Health Model.

Your participation is obligatory. You will obey your community health team in every command.

Non participation is a crime.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 04:13 PM (rb4zU)

749 xkcd coronavirus name

Alex the Chick needs to see this.

https://m.xkcd.com/2275/

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:14 PM (UZ8BZ)

750 WH site, uh, "live" now. So it begins (soon).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:14 PM (El6T/)

751 door opening
Birx!

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:15 PM (UZ8BZ)

752 >>>An infected NYer - or Jerseyite, or person from NOLA or Detroit - heading to a vacation house in Duck, NC may infect some people, but Duck isn't/won't/can't be the same kind of environment for transmission.


Why not? It travels like wildfire.
And if they traveled from NY one may assume they
will not follow any other guidelines.
_Helicopters.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:15 PM (lnWzE)

753 PDJT is on.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 04:16 PM (Dhht7)

754 I actually think both for symbolic and real reasons they should stand further apart on the podium. Yesterday and the day before at times they were bunched up pretty good, Trump, Pence, others, for extended periods.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:16 PM (El6T/)

755 Why is Trump praising Governor Murphy of NJ?
He will stab him in the back the first chance he gets.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:19 PM (CqE5x)

756 Braenyard, why is NYC much, much, much worse than anywhere else? There are reasons. It doesn't spread the same everywhere. Even NJ appears to be diverging in its transmission pattern - probably due to the differing density and lifestyle.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:19 PM (El6T/)

757 You will obey your community health team in every command.


I am imagining angry, dominating yet hot nurses.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:19 PM (59YkD)

758 Trump hammering the MSM for their lies and panic mongering.

Posted by: Ripley at April 04, 2020 04:19 PM (MxEKc)

759 755 Why is Trump praising Governor Murphy of NJ?
He will stab him in the back the first chance he gets.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:19 PM (CqE5x)

Somebody said, here, the other day, that PDT never disses someone with whom he is negotiating. Afterward, before, but not at the time. Might be right.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:20 PM (UZ8BZ)

760 Trump is being a real leader, and showing his comparative class (yes). And he'll do fine. Airheads and haters aren't gonna change.

Hah. Love the now low-key, almost pro forma swipes at "fake news". Hilarious.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:20 PM (El6T/)

761 The nice pink Easter'ish necktie is back.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:21 PM (UZ8BZ)

762 m, good point.

"My friend Xi, love that guy, really he's the best, tremendous, amazing respect for China".

I'm sad that he hasn't been heaping saccharine praise on the Iranian regime.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:22 PM (El6T/)

763 "And that need changes. One day it's one locale...."

He needs to keep hammering that home. To shut up Acosta. Or, to try.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:22 PM (UZ8BZ)

764 "There will be Death." This is the most metal of the COVID briefs.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 04:22 PM (Dc2NZ)

765 Trump's ties have been outstanding. He's moved off the red tie every day. Would like to see the bright yellow tie he debuted in India.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:22 PM (El6T/)

766 WE DON'T NEED THAT MANY. GOT IT. NOW LET US GO THE FUCK BACK TO WORK

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:23 PM (59YkD)

767 Somebody said, here, the other day, that PDT never disses someone with whom he is negotiating. Afterward, before, but not at the time. Might be right.
Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:20 PM (UZ8BZ)

Hence Trump saying nice things about Xi.
It would do none of us any good if Trump started screaming, "China will PAY!!"

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:23 PM (CqE5x)

768 An infected NYer - or Jerseyite, or person from NOLA or Detroit - heading to a vacation house in Duck, NC may infect some people, but Duck isn't/won't/can't be the same kind of environment for transmission.

And the bug is, if not everywhere, most places by now (serology data will start to let us know pretty soon how widespread it is, geographically and in terms of the population).
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:09 PM (El6T/)

No, it's not as dense, but we're still waiting to see how much spread there is from the rich migrants. It will also depend on how many people are in those summer houses. My neighbor who has a place on the NJ shore, said that one of the summer families came to their house with the wife's sister's family and 5 of their older son's friends from NYU. I'm not as optimistic that they won't spread it, but I'll be delighted if you're right.

On the same theme, we received our second "shelter at your house" request. This time it's the son of a former colleague (parents in AZ), who'd like to work from our house with his live in girlfriend. We declined, but if this guy who we haven't seen in 4 years has the nerve to ask it means others are trying to get out.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:24 PM (ONvIw)

769 765 Trump's ties have been outstanding. He's moved off the red tie every day. Would like to see the bright yellow tie he debuted in India.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:22 PM (El6T/)
---
Black leather with spikes and a death's head.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 04:24 PM (Dc2NZ)

770 Odds on somebody asking him what he meant by his mention of models.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:24 PM (UZ8BZ)

771 "Talk like Trump" was, for me, the best all-time HQ thread.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:24 PM (El6T/)

772 Open it now!

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:25 PM (ZCEU2)

773 Yes. "Have to open our country again. "


"HAVE TO"

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:25 PM (59YkD)

774 Here's the "model" quote and my latest theory:

; )

143 PDT on "models"

I was wondering, on reflection, if maybe when PDT referred to "models" in the presser yesterday, he didn't mean "fashion models," but the sort of mock-up architectural models that would be used in construction projects.

"You know what I want to do? I want to come way under the model. The professionals did the models. I was never involved in a model. But-- At least this kind of model."
Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 07:19 AM (Ne1i4)

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:25 PM (UZ8BZ)

775 but if this guy who we haven't seen in 4 years has the nerve to ask it means others are trying to get out.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:24 PM (ONvIw)

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:26 PM (lnWzE)

776 Trump laying the groundwork to end this sooner rather than later?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:26 PM (CqE5x)

777 FUCK "soon".

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:26 PM (59YkD)

778 m was self explanatory to me

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:26 PM (ZCEU2)

779 Sports day!

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:26 PM (El6T/)

780 Trump has "laid this groundwork" (which he didn't have to do anyway) from the very start. His rhetoric hasn't changed - some days he emphasizes it, others his focus is on other things.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:27 PM (El6T/)

781 768 No, it's not as dense, but we're still waiting to see how much spread there is from the rich migrants.
Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:24 PM (ONvIw)

And to Florida, too.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:28 PM (UZ8BZ)

782 CN it will spread wherever this is infection and anything short of draconian isolation measures.

It will not spread anything like it did in NYC absent similar factors.

My only point.

It'll be around for a while, to some degree. Hence the push for serology to better understand its actual spread, and for a vaccine, and for good therapies to blunt the impact where it pops up.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:29 PM (El6T/)

783 778 m was self explanatory to me
Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:26 PM (ZCEU2)

That he meant "architectural models"?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:29 PM (UZ8BZ)

784 The Great Ventilator Debate of 2020

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:30 PM (El6T/)

785 He just said models, pick your definition but works either way

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:30 PM (ZCEU2)

786 Donny Two Scoops used the word "retaliation" for malefactors.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 04:31 PM (Dc2NZ)

787 New York and other high-density areas are going to have higher death rates because a) they have more people and b) they live on top of each other like damn rodents.

The city is a health hazard.
Got it.


Open the damn country , Mr. President.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:31 PM (59YkD)

788 I read that ventilators work best if the patient is on his stomach.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:31 PM (lnWzE)

789 784 The Great Ventilator Debate of 2020
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:30 PM (El6T/)

Next Cuomo will be sending patients to where the vents are. Detroit is already pushing patients onto hospitals well outside the region

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:32 PM (ONvIw)

790 At least MUMR-grams have variety.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:32 PM (El6T/)

791 PDT is calling shenanigans

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 04:33 PM (PUmDY)

792 >>>
Open the damn country , Mr. President.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:31 PM (59YkD)



Tell us that 100 more times and we will relent and believe you.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:33 PM (lnWzE)

793 eh, maybe his staff will read it before I lose everything.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:34 PM (59YkD)

794 791 PDT is calling shenanigans
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 04:33 PM (PUmDY)

And NYC will provide them. The donk contempt for the military is strong there, so unless the ronas are returned to the senders, the shenanigans will grow

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:34 PM (ONvIw)

795 He looks tired. I don't blame him.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 04:35 PM (vF+fs)

796 794 791 PDT is calling shenanigans
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 04:33 PM (PUmDY)

And NYC will provide them.
Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:34 PM (ONvIw)

heh

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:35 PM (UZ8BZ)

797 The dude in the pic up top has horrible eye brows.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 04:36 PM (vF+fs)

798 I was really hoping to be back by Easter weekend at latest

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:36 PM (ZCEU2)

799 He should let Pence read the announcements and save his throat for the monkeys.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:36 PM (lnWzE)

800 Many thought looked like Boss Hogg

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:36 PM (ZCEU2)

801 Don't think he looks tired.

His manner varies day to day, I've noticed.

Some days more manic energizer-bunny Donny Two Scoops, kicking reporter ass and taking names and pushing on all fronts, other days the calm leader in time of crisis.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (El6T/)

802 India's going to make a deal.

F-22s?

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (lnWzE)

803 I was really hoping to be back by Easter weekend at latest

shh. You'll make the nanny-staters cry.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (59YkD)

804 798 I was really hoping to be back by Easter weekend at latest
Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:36 PM (ZCEU2)

Yep. My grandsons' schools just announced they'll be closed the entire month of April

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (ONvIw)

805 Trump will win every state but New York

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (CqE5x)

806 CN, I'm still laughing. And I'm revising to yield version two:

PDT is calling shenanigans.

And NYC will answer that call.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (UZ8BZ)

807 Yep. My grandsons' schools just announced they'll be closed the entire month of April

Done for the year here

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (5bxa0)

808 Would DJT take chloroquine as prevent?

Posted by: azalea city at April 04, 2020 04:38 PM (WX+x0)

809 PDT is calling shenanigans.

And NYC will answer that call.
Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (UZ8BZ)

Perfect, I'm sure Cuomo and Zucker are rallying their troops

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:38 PM (ONvIw)

810 Nice kudos to Ellison, one of the few biggg Silicon Valley guys to raise $ for Don and back him openly.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:39 PM (El6T/)

811 He should let Pence read the announcements and save his throat for the monkeys.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:36 PM (lnWzE)

He should force a member of the media to read the highlights.
A different one each day.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:39 PM (CqE5x)

812 808 Would DJT take chloroquine as prevent?
Posted by: azalea city at April 04, 2020 04:38 PM (WX+x0)

He'd be better off with the hydroxychloroquine, easier on the body systems

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:39 PM (ONvIw)

813 788 I read that ventilators work best if the patient is on his stomach.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:31 PM (lnWzE)
--------------------------------
Interesting.
I know that, when I have a cold/cough, that works best for me.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 04:39 PM (M/9m0)

814 Oh, some really smart "reporter" just stood up and blocked the camera.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:40 PM (UZ8BZ)

815 "Now we have to open"


NOW

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:40 PM (59YkD)

816 I think the stomach-down posture for ventilation depends on the individual, but not sure.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:40 PM (El6T/)

817 Thanks for that CN.

Posted by: azalea city at April 04, 2020 04:40 PM (WX+x0)

818 A. C. Nah, I understand there are side effects. I'm sure the WH docs have a supply of the HCQ on hand to treat Trump, Pence, cabinet members etc. if needed.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at April 04, 2020 04:40 PM (T9Hmo)

819 dailytimewaster.blogspot.com a solid american who knows his rights
https://tinyurl.com/wwcftmg
Check this short story out

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:41 PM (ZCEU2)

820 I wonder if Hillary! watches these press conferences.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:42 PM (UZ8BZ)

821 Interesting.
I know that, when I have a cold/cough, that works best for me.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 04:39 PM (M/9m0)

Proning increases oxygenation in vent patients and decreases mortality

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:42 PM (ONvIw)

822 I wonder if Hillary! watches these press conferences.

If she's not passed out already

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2020 04:42 PM (5bxa0)

823 "You can be feet away and just talking to somebody and catch it."

That was very genuine.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:43 PM (UZ8BZ)

824 805 Trump will win every state but New York
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (CqE5x)
----------------------------

Sure.
You know there are several states, including the biggest electoral vote one, where 2/3 of the peeps will push the D-button no matter what. No. Matter. What.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 04:43 PM (M/9m0)

825 Dr. Hahn (sp.?).

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:43 PM (UZ8BZ)

826 Good to go Palerider and thanks.

Posted by: azalea city at April 04, 2020 04:44 PM (WX+x0)

827 818 A. C. Nah, I understand there are side effects. I'm sure the WH docs have a supply of the HCQ on hand to treat Trump, Pence, cabinet members etc. if needed.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at April 04, 2020 04:40 PM (T9Hmo)

I am certain some are already on it, some hospital staff have taken it to ward off infection

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:44 PM (ONvIw)

828 Trump will win every state but New York
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:37 PM (CqE5x)
----------------------------

Sure.
You know there are several states, including the biggest electoral vote one, where 2/3 of the peeps will push the D-button no matter what. No. Matter. What.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 04:43 PM (M/9m0)

I was joking

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:44 PM (CqE5x)

829 This prick is the one Trump had to brow beat into the authorization.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:44 PM (lnWzE)

830 Donny Two Scoops used the word "retaliation" for malefactors.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 04:31 PM (Dc2NZ)

I like "vendetta."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2020 04:44 PM (XVuno)

831 Yeah, 49 states is improbable.

But, depending on how things go the next 4 months, I'm comfortable with pickups of NH, MN, and NV. High-water lower-probability estimate includes VA, NM, CO.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:45 PM (El6T/)

832 Dr. Downer up....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:46 PM (CqE5x)

833 Thought reason was in Washington mostly it was 1 nursing home

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:46 PM (ZCEU2)

834 Fauci says "Chiner."

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:46 PM (UZ8BZ)

835 It will be a bigger win than last time, for sure.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 04:46 PM (PUmDY)

836 Dr. Downer up...

Doctor Doom?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2020 04:47 PM (5bxa0)

837 One of those men on that stage is a tall alpha male wearing a nice pink tie.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:47 PM (UZ8BZ)

838 Fauci says stay in NY.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:47 PM (lnWzE)

839 Debbie Downer

Posted by: azalea city at April 04, 2020 04:47 PM (WX+x0)

840 I don't have the Fauci-hate I'm hearing here.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:48 PM (UZ8BZ)

841 Fauci does remind me of Mr. Burns.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 04, 2020 04:49 PM (KxVoZ)

842 They still want trump to give orders for a national lockdown

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:49 PM (CqE5x)

843 Q&A with PDT.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:49 PM (UZ8BZ)

844 Fauci happy that little toy soldiers are following his Draconian orders.


Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:49 PM (59YkD)

845 I don't see masks on the reporters.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:49 PM (UZ8BZ)

846 Fauci is professorial and doesn't to well with media.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:49 PM (lnWzE)

847 838 Fauci says stay in NY.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 04:47 PM (lnWzE)

I hope they listen.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:50 PM (ONvIw)

848 819 dailytimewaster.blogspot.com a solid american who knows his rights
https://tinyurl.com/wwcftmg
Check this short story out
Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 04:41 PM (ZCEU2)
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God bless that sheriff!
I am happy to say that the po-po in my (rural) county are not about to bother anyone on the road or pretty much alone in a park, etc.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 04:50 PM (M/9m0)

849 1000 medical troops are going to New York.
NYC, I guess.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:50 PM (UZ8BZ)

850 Fuckin presstitutes have no idea about anything other than the coasts.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 04:50 PM (vF+fs)

851 "We gotta get our country open."
--PDT

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:51 PM (UZ8BZ)

852 850 Fuckin presstitutes have no idea about anything other than the coasts.
Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 04:50 PM (vF+fs)

It's all they care about.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:51 PM (ONvIw)

853 "We're not gonna have to have separation for the rest of our time on the planet."

--PDT talking to his peeps

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:52 PM (UZ8BZ)

854 845 I don't see masks on the reporters.
Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:49 PM (UZ8BZ)

Rules don't apply to them and the fabric would spoil their make up

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:53 PM (ONvIw)

855 Biden slam.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 04:53 PM (PUmDY)

856 I see no Acosta.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:53 PM (UZ8BZ)

857 855 Biden slam.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 04:53 PM (PUmDY)

I missed that.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:53 PM (UZ8BZ)

858 828---I was joking
Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 04:44 PM (CqE5x)
---------------------------------
Should have guessed that!

BTW, what has His Holiness the Reverend Mittens Romney been up to lately? We haven't heard much from him lately.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 04:53 PM (M/9m0)

859 856 I see no Acosta.

Only half the corps in each presser now, for separation.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 04, 2020 04:53 PM (KxVoZ)

860 Anybody know how Fredo Cuoumo is making out? Any more chipped veneers?

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 04:54 PM (ONvIw)

861 Already thinking more $ for the SBA program. Good.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:54 PM (El6T/)

862 Fauci seems really happy about little x's in restaurants keeping patrons 6' apart. Where's he seen those? I thought restaurants were only doing carryout or delivery.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 04:54 PM (Dhht7)

863 862 Fauci seems really happy about little x's in restaurants keeping patrons 6' apart. Where's he seen those? I thought restaurants were only doing carryout or delivery.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 04:54 PM (Dhht7)

I saw them at a burger place the other day.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:54 PM (UZ8BZ)

864 olddog, lines to pick up the carry-out, etc. I've seen it.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:55 PM (El6T/)

865 Where's he seen those? I thought restaurants were only doing carryout or delivery.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 04:54 PM (Dhht7)

He said it was carryout people.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 04, 2020 04:55 PM (KxVoZ)

866 "You had said that you want to see as few lives lost as possible." Diss them governors.

Let's discuss federalism.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:55 PM (UZ8BZ)

867 that asshole Jeremy Diamond in CNN wants DJT to override the Constitution.

Posted by: vivi at April 04, 2020 04:55 PM (11H2y)

868 He was talking infinitesimally low percentages and said Joe Biden.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 04:56 PM (PUmDY)

869 859
Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 04, 2020 04:53 PM (KxVoZ)
--------------------------
For a moment I thought I saw the words "Acosta" and "corpse" juxtaposed and got a bit excited.
I am a bad person.
I also obviously need a nap.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2020 04:56 PM (M/9m0)

870 Already thinking more $ for the SBA program. Good.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:54
--------------------------
Yes, but what other swill will we have to swallow?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 04:56 PM (Dhht7)

871 868 He was talking infinitesimally low percentages and said Joe Biden.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 04:56 PM (PUmDY)

Thanks.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:56 PM (UZ8BZ)

872 867 that asshole Jeremy Diamond in CNN wants DJT to override the Constitution.

They want him to do that so they can blame him for everything that happens in every State

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2020 04:56 PM (5bxa0)

873 2017-2018 61,099 deaths
2018-2019 34,200 deaths
2019-2020 24,000 - 63,000 US flu deaths

Chinese Death bug - 64,277
oh sorry. That's the whole world.

US Chinese Lung Aids deaths: 8,347.

That's less than total motor vehicles deaths (9,630) in the US.

In 1917.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 04:56 PM (59YkD)

874 Actually good questions here, even though it seems like pestering to those not familiar with pressers, and Trump - again - pointing out that different situations call for different measures, and governors have the last call.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 04:57 PM (El6T/)

875 The Dems/MFM spent 3 years calling Trump an authoritarian who was trampling the Constitution.

Now those same voices want him to trample the Comstitution.

And if/when this is ever over, they'd impeach him for it if he did.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 04, 2020 04:57 PM (KxVoZ)

876 875 The Dems/MFM spent 3 years calling Trump an authoritarian who was trampling the Constitution.

Now those same voices want him to trample the Comstitution.

And if/when this is ever over, they'd impeach him for it if he did.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 04, 2020 04:57 PM (KxVoZ)

And he's wise to their shifty ways.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:58 PM (UZ8BZ)

877 PDT on Michael Atkinson

"I don't know him. I don't think I ever met him."

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 04:59 PM (UZ8BZ)

878 862 Fauci seems really happy about little x's in restaurants keeping patrons 6' apart. Where's he seen those? I thought restaurants were only doing carryout or delivery.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 04:54 PM (Dhht7)

I saw them at a burger place the other day.
Posted by: m at April 04

They were at the liquor store for a line, of which there was none.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 04:59 PM (vF+fs)

879 What was the question that Donald going off now? Something about firing Atkinson?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 05:00 PM (Dhht7)

880 loathsome toads

Posted by: azalea city at April 04, 2020 05:00 PM (WX+x0)

881 THIS is why PDT fired Atkinson. So he could tell us why, right here, on camera.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:00 PM (UZ8BZ)

882 Holy shit.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 05:00 PM (PUmDY)

883 Leftists always accuse what they are or want to do.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:01 PM (ZCEU2)

884 I wonder if DJT could say, next time the MSM asks if he will override the Constitution...

"If I do that, will you guarantee that you and everyone in your media outlet will NOT turn around and say I had no right to do that and it was unconstitutional?"

Posted by: vivi at April 04, 2020 05:01 PM (11H2y)

885 "That guy is a disgrace to IG's."

--PDT

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:01 PM (UZ8BZ)

886 It's almost like Trump was waiting for that question.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 05:01 PM (ZLI7S)

887 sue his ass off says DJT

Posted by: azalea city at April 04, 2020 05:01 PM (WX+x0)

888 879 What was the question that Donald going off now? Something about firing Atkinson?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 05:00 PM (Dhht7)

The question was: Yes or no, wasn't Atkinson doing his job?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:01 PM (UZ8BZ)

889 It's almost like Trump was waiting for that question.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 05:01 PM (ZLI7S)

LOl I'm sure he was

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2020 05:02 PM (5bxa0)

890 884 I wonder if DJT could say, next time the MSM asks if he will override the Constitution...

"If I do that, will you guarantee that you and everyone in your media outlet will NOT turn around and say I had no right to do that and it was unconstitutional?"

Posted by: vivi at April 04, 2020 05:01 PM (11H2y)

They'll just lie.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:02 PM (UZ8BZ)

891 Whooo!

Good stuff on the IG.

Still wish he'd hammer details about how the whole "whistleblower" thing was illegit, procedurally, and baseless, substantively. And that doesn't even include backdating internal memos to hide that the procedure itself was altered just to allow the farce to proceed.

Don is bringing it.

Things should get interesting when the peak of this bug is past.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:02 PM (El6T/)

892 886 It's almost like Trump was waiting for that question.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 05:01 PM (ZLI7S)

Almost!

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:02 PM (UZ8BZ)

893 Everyone in this room knows who the 2nd whistleblower is. Haha.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 05:03 PM (PUmDY)

894 Cuomo not "gracious" but okay. Heh.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2020 05:04 PM (XVuno)

895 "Why does it matter if they're gracious?"

"reporter" to PDT about governors and mayors PDT is giving stuff to

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:04 PM (UZ8BZ)

896 Funniest s**t in my lifetime.

Two New Yorkers going at it (Cuomo and Don).

Advantage: der Trumpenfuhrer

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:04 PM (El6T/)

897 and models...

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 05:04 PM (59YkD)

898 numbers for rhomboid

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:04 PM (lnWzE)

899 A guy could come out in the same suit day after day and no one would notice

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:05 PM (ZCEU2)

900 waiting for "granularity"

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:05 PM (UZ8BZ)

901 896 Funniest s**t in my lifetime.

Two New Yorkers going at it (Cuomo and Don).

Advantage: der Trumpenfuhrer
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:04 PM (El6T/)
--
And they say there's no contact sports right now.

POW!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 05:05 PM (Dc2NZ)

902 890 - of course they'll lie. That's what they do....but it would be nice for them to be on the other end of a gotcha question.
and for them to realize what a shitty and lowdown technique that is.
I wish he'd get a canned answer to any "can you guarantee" and "can you promise" type questions...

Posted by: vivi at April 04, 2020 05:06 PM (11H2y)

903 Olympic-class PDT

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:06 PM (UZ8BZ)

904 Italy's numbers are coming down

--Birx

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:06 PM (UZ8BZ)

905 Each metro cluster is on a different pathway.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:07 PM (lnWzE)

906 "Each metro cluster is on a different track."

--Birx

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:07 PM (UZ8BZ)

907 Just wait until the gardeners start spraying Roundup.


We'll be locked down for a year.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 05:08 PM (59YkD)

908 Yeah, I think "pathway" was the word.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:08 PM (UZ8BZ)

909 I wish he'd get a canned answer to any "can you guarantee" and "can you promise" type questions...
Posted by: vivi a

I wish he'd say "YOU'RE FIRED!" and have him leave the room, never to return.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 05:08 PM (vF+fs)

910 Still think compairing Italy and US is apples to oranges

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:08 PM (ZCEU2)

911 "We have a thing called the Constitution, which I cherish..."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 05:08 PM (Dc2NZ)

912 "I think the probable presidential candidate will be Joe Biden."

--PDT

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:08 PM (UZ8BZ)

913 But not a numbers guy. I prefer to start with my conclusion, which is based on long-standing poorly formed perceptions and hair-trigger hysteria about evil unseen forces, and work backwards to ignoring reality and pretending uncertainty doesn't dominate many high-stakes decision situations.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:09 PM (El6T/)

914 These young reporters are IDIOTS. Jeebus.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 05:09 PM (Dc2NZ)

915 Oh this is going to sting

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:10 PM (ZCEU2)

916 Captain Crozier

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:10 PM (UZ8BZ)

917 Ms Green is in over her head.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 05:10 PM (PUmDY)

918 Skip don't think she was comparing us to Italy - she was saying (true) that those two countries appear to be moving through the classic curve for epidemics (peak or near peak) - something even a layman can see in the numbers today.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:10 PM (El6T/)

919 Being captain is not decided through a popularity contest.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:10 PM (UZ8BZ)

920 Captain's don't usually let their crew off ship in the middle of a pandemic.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:11 PM (lnWzE)

921 Too funny, He didn't write that

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:11 PM (ZCEU2)

922 ha!

He is going to eat Biden alive.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 05:11 PM (ZLI7S)

923 "I agree with their decision 100%."

--PDT

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:11 PM (UZ8BZ)

924 Trump bringing the proverbial whip. lol.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 05:11 PM (vF+fs)

925 He doesn't understand what he is watching.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 05:11 PM (PUmDY)

926 Captain's don't usually let their crew off ship in the middle of a pandemic.

Or let the enemy know that one of our ships is compromised

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2020 05:12 PM (5bxa0)

927 Crozier will not be vindicated in this, I am confident.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:12 PM (El6T/)

928 Wow. I can't wait to get this clip of PDT on Biden.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:12 PM (UZ8BZ)

929 Joe can't write.
He's not watching and
if he is he doesn't understand what he's watching.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:12 PM (lnWzE)

930 BOO!

Posted by: Flu Season 2021 at April 04, 2020 05:12 PM (59YkD)

931 "Joe Biden didn't write that."

hahahaha

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:13 PM (UZ8BZ)

932 929 Joe can't write.
He's not watching and
if he is he doesn't understand what he's watching.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:12 PM (lnWzE)
----
"It's Matlock!"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at April 04, 2020 05:13 PM (Dc2NZ)

933 I just realized Fauci may be the same size as Bloomberg. lolololol.

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2020 05:13 PM (vF+fs)

934 Biden isn't watching, and even if he was, he wouldn't understand what we're talking about anyway.


Priceless

Posted by: JoeF. at April 04, 2020 05:13 PM (CqE5x)

935 if he is he doesn't understand what he's watching.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:12 PM (lnWzE)

He's a classic dementia patient.

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 05:14 PM (ONvIw)

936 For the few interested in how things actually work, you can get a good condensed public health/contagious disease management framework by listening to Fauci's answers, like the one he just gave.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:14 PM (El6T/)

937 Plasma discussion.
Is CNN tuning in?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:15 PM (UZ8BZ)

938 Pres.Trump is so clearly the right man for right now. We are blessed he is in charge, and when it's restarting our economy, I don't know of anybody else who would be more capable to be in charge than Pres. Trump and his team. I am so grateful and proud of him!

Posted by: Chillin the most at April 04, 2020 05:15 PM (lonOK)

939 Here an uncertainty model for you.


Income < expenses

where Income = 0 || shut the fuck down by government fiat.

Even a layman can understand that.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 04, 2020 05:16 PM (59YkD)

940 Sounds like the riot act to me against 3M

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:16 PM (ZCEU2)

941
Biden isn't watching, and even if he was, he wouldn't understand what we're talking about anyway.




Joe Biden: That Biden guy sounds clueless.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2020 05:16 PM (dFmBz)

942 Chillin the most - well said, echoes what I said earlier today.

Couldn't have a better guy in the job for this than the Scalp Weasel. As unlikely as it still kinda seems.

Whoa - anybody here got a lot of 3M in their portfolios?? Yeesh, and LOL.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:16 PM (El6T/)

943 Angel says Trump is a pirate. hahahahahahah

Trump unhappy with 3M moar, moar, moar


Trump is going to kick their asterisk

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:17 PM (lnWzE)

944 3M: "We'll get you the information."

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:17 PM (UZ8BZ)

945 940 Sounds like the riot act to me against 3M
Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:16 PM (ZCEU2)

Those global humanitarians, who sell someone else's order to the highest bidder? That 3M?

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 05:18 PM (ONvIw)

946 Stephen Hahn
Commissioner of Food and Drugs
I had not memorized that, yet.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:19 PM (UZ8BZ)

947 If I was you, I would investigate it. Lol

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 05:19 PM (PUmDY)

948 Can't hardly hear these wussy reporters.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:20 PM (UZ8BZ)

949 943 Angel says Trump is a pirate. hahahahahahah

Trump unhappy with 3M moar, moar, moar


Trump is going to kick their asterisk
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:17 PM (lnWzE)

Bint didn't care when China seized all the output, now did she?

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 05:20 PM (ONvIw)

950 RUSSIA!!!!!!!

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:20 PM (El6T/)

951 Fill up your gas tanks.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:21 PM (lnWzE)

952 Its a shame I have no place to go, well do but can't

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:21 PM (ZCEU2)

953 Imagine Obama dealing with 1/10 the range of issues like this, without major gaffes, blunders, or enough "ummms" to fill the Albert Hall.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:21 PM (El6T/)

954 I think PDT said, a minute ago, that he might take hydroxychlorioquine; that he'd check with his doctors.

Somebody earlier in the thread was wondering.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:21 PM (UZ8BZ)

955 Trump talks Russia? Pelosi must investigate this!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2020 05:21 PM (XVuno)

956 Filled my tank up in the beginning and its still full

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:21 PM (ZCEU2)

957 No, let's not talk about Barron.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:22 PM (UZ8BZ)

958 OM should be here with chess/dress/open thread in 10-15 mins. Guess this conversation will move there?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 05:22 PM (Dhht7)

959 953 Imagine Obama dealing with 1/10 the range of issues like this, without major gaffes, blunders, or enough "ummms" to fill the Albert Hall.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:21 PM (El6T/)

Now do Biden.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:22 PM (UZ8BZ)

960 This is entertaining as hell.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 05:22 PM (PUmDY)

961 How many times do you have to ask the same question?

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:23 PM (lnWzE)

962 Notice the reporters laughing, they can't resist Trump's natural sense of humor.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:23 PM (El6T/)

963 "You [presstitutes] enjoy your job. And some of you do it well."

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:23 PM (UZ8BZ)

964 Now do Biden.
Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:22 PM (UZ8BZ)

---------

OH COME ON, MAN!!!

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 04, 2020 05:23 PM (XVuno)

965 960 This is entertaining as hell.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 04, 2020 05:22 PM (PUmDY)


Every day.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:23 PM (lnWzE)

966 12 ways from Sunday thats how many

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:23 PM (ZCEU2)

967 961 How many times do you have to ask the same question?
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:23 PM (lnWzE)

Soon, we'll get the ventilators-guarantee question.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:24 PM (UZ8BZ)

968 Imagine Obama dealing with 1/10 the range of issues like this, without major gaffes, blunders, or enough "ummms" to fill the Albert Hall.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:21
-------------------------
He couldn't. And they'd never would've let him try it. Although, with compliant press he'd would not have experienced this.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 05:24 PM (Dhht7)

969 For those who wasted many years in these kinds of things/environments, these briefings are unbelievably entertaining.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:24 PM (El6T/)

970 I've been avoiding hand-shakes and washing my hands *a lot for 5 or 6 years*, specifically to avoid colds.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:25 PM (El6T/)

971 962 Notice the reporters laughing, they can't resist Trump's natural sense of humor.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:23 PM (El6T/)

That would make a great still shot.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:25 PM (UZ8BZ)

972 I vote for jumping chest bumps, a la NFL players celebrating a touchdown, in lieu of handshakes.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:25 PM (El6T/)

973 Nood chess.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 04, 2020 05:26 PM (Dhht7)

974 972 I vote for jumping chest bumps, a la NFL players celebrating a touchdown, in lieu of handshakes.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:25 PM (El6T/)

Nearly spewed tea all over the screen, here!

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:26 PM (UZ8BZ)

975 Fauci's voice cracked, when he was talking about the visible appreciation of doctors in this crisis.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:27 PM (UZ8BZ)

976 m - good one! Waiting for the "guarantee of perfection" in federal response!

olddog - correct - instead of hostile gotchas with *follow-up* gotchas and surliness, it would be mostly "how enchanted has it been to be president?".

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:27 PM (El6T/)

977 And Birx is tearing up.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:27 PM (UZ8BZ)

978 Reverend-Governor-VP Pence!

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:28 PM (UZ8BZ)

979 And whoever said it days ago -

Pence really needs the smoking jacket, comfortable chair, cute golden retriever at his feet, and a pipe.

Spectacular.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:28 PM (El6T/)

980 Pence is talking churchy!

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:29 PM (UZ8BZ)

981 Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:28 PM (El6T/)

On Race Bannon?

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2020 05:30 PM (ONvIw)

982 "I just urge people to pray for our healthcare workers."

VP Pence

CNN still tuned in?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:30 PM (UZ8BZ)

983 982 "I just urge people to pray for our healthcare workers."

VP Pence

CNN still tuned in?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:30 PM (UZ8BZ)



Vanished _ spontaneous combustion.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:31 PM (lnWzE)

984 "Think of next Sunday. Easter."

--PDT

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:31 PM (UZ8BZ)

985 Uh oh. Pence said "prayer." BURN THE WITCH!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2020 05:31 PM (XVuno)

986 "It's like a war."

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:33 PM (UZ8BZ)

987 To what extent can we use antibody tests to decide who can go back to work?

Hahn answers.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:34 PM (UZ8BZ)

988 Follow guidelines proactively - physical separation - we will see a turning of the curve.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:36 PM (lnWzE)

989 I wonder what Sunset Joe is up to today.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2020 05:36 PM (XVuno)

990 "Mitigation works."

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:36 PM (UZ8BZ)

991 I think the big decision will be on or close to the 15th.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:37 PM (lnWzE)

992 989 I wonder what Sunset Joe is up to today.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2020 05:36 PM (XVuno)

Isn't he going to give a robust 2-hour response to this press meeting?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:37 PM (UZ8BZ)

993 At some point hard decisions will have to be made
Bump those doctors aside

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:37 PM (ZCEU2)

994 "IS IT TIME FOR YOU TO LEVEL WITH THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT THERE WILL BE A SHORTAGE OF VENTILATORS."

--CNN

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:38 PM (UZ8BZ)

995 Just watching this presser, the interaction between Fauci's/public health perspective, and Trump's big picture/economy/decision-maker perspective, would be a fantastic (real) political science seminar in itself. Perfect, high-stakes example of the nature of decision-making.

Better than the Cuban missile crisis, as studied in "Essence of Decision".

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:38 PM (El6T/)

996 Doctors won't be bumped aside.

Their advice will be put through the mill and weighed against all the other considerations.


Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:39 PM (El6T/)

997 Fauci plays Spock to Trump's Kirk

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 04, 2020 05:40 PM (9TdxA)

998 To me you get opinions then brush aside those experts and make the command decision. Weighing all data.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:41 PM (ZCEU2)

999 Lock the cities down and let my people go, thats what I want to hear

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:42 PM (ZCEU2)

1000 1K

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 05:42 PM (ZCEU2)

1001 Good job, Skip!

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:43 PM (UZ8BZ)

1002 Next 6 to 10 days will be peek mortality in NY.

What was that website?

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:43 PM (lnWzE)

1003 "What we are seeing today is the [deaths of] people who were infected two to three weeks ago."

--Birx

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:44 PM (UZ8BZ)

1004 6 or 700 deaths per day

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:44 PM (lnWzE)

1005 The website has the word "data" in it. They'll say it again.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:45 PM (UZ8BZ)

1006 Braenyard -

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:45 PM (El6T/)

1007 Ny, NJ, CT, RI

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:46 PM (lnWzE)

1008 Thanks

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:46 PM (lnWzE)

1009 of course Oregon's Governor sent sent equipment to NY.

That's where our senator lives. He moved there to be closer to his wife's money.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 05:46 PM (rb4zU)

1010 Sorry CNN. No ventilator for you. You die now.

Posted by: BluesFish at April 04, 2020 05:47 PM (u/4tA)

1011 except to surfaces which we don't seem to be able to not stay 6 feet away from

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 05:47 PM (rb4zU)

1012 Trump is in the pocket of Big Chloroquine.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 05:48 PM (ZLI7S)

1013 1011 except to surfaces which we don't seem to be able to not stay 6 feet away from

Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 05:47 PM (rb4zU)


Strip down in the garage before entering the house.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:49 PM (lnWzE)

1014 Not sure the U.S. reaction is going to be that different in practice from the French reaction. We're not out of the woods and there is no guarantee our corrupt bureaucracy loving, control freak overlords will relinquish their police state once this thing is over.

Posted by: Squid_Hunt at April 04, 2020 05:50 PM (S5OQe)

1015 1006 Braenyard -

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Posted by: rhomboid at April 04, 2020 05:45 PM (El6T/)

Thanks!

Wonder if the "reporters" will pass that along?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:50 PM (UZ8BZ)

1016 1011 except to surfaces which we don't seem to be able to not stay 6 feet away from
Posted by: Kindltot at April 04, 2020 05:47 PM (rb4zU)

Don't touch your face.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:51 PM (UZ8BZ)

1017 1012 Trump is in the pocket of Big Chloroquine.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 04, 2020 05:48 PM (ZLI7S)

; )

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:51 PM (UZ8BZ)

1018 Fauci is more sneaky little ego driven nerd ... self aggrandizing ... not a Spock, so much... not sure if there is a character that fits that though.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 05:52 PM (Cus5s)

1019 1018 Fauci is more sneaky little ego driven nerd ... self aggrandizing ... not a Spock, so much... not sure if there is a character that fits that though.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 05:52 PM (Cus5s)

Judge Ito, somebody here said the other day.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:53 PM (UZ8BZ)

1020 Phil Murphy is a sweaty 3rd rate overnight infomercial jerkoff.

Posted by: BluesFish at April 04, 2020 05:53 PM (u/4tA)

1021 You been here 90 year. You go now

Posted by: CCP at April 04, 2020 05:54 PM (9TdxA)

1022 You can go outside so long as you download this little Google /CDC app that tracks your movements, body temperature and proximity to others.....

Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 04, 2020 05:54 PM (lcQJG)

1023 Posted by: Squid_Hunt at April 04, 2020 05:50 PM (S5OQe)

Posted by: BluesFish at April 04, 2020 05:53 PM (u/4tA)

Time for fish puns?

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 05:55 PM (UZ8BZ)

1024 Why the Fauci hate. He's doing his job. He's the best at this. Trump listens to him. He works as a foil to Trump. We're lucky to have him

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 04, 2020 05:57 PM (9TdxA)

1025 The reference is your *iphone* not phone, or android etc.


Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:59 PM (lnWzE)

1026 At 500 to 700 deaths a day the media is going to have a feast.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:59 PM (lnWzE)

1027 "This is a war. All unto itself. And it's a terrible thing."

--PDT

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 06:00 PM (UZ8BZ)

1028 1026 At 500 to 700 deaths a day the media is going to have a feast.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 05:59 PM (lnWzE)

Can't say they weren't warned.
Well, they CAN say that, but they'll be lying.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 06:00 PM (UZ8BZ)

1029 It would be rude to say Birx has nice buns, wouldn't it? She's such a lady.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 06:01 PM (lnWzE)

1030 Once the numbers in NYC start coming down, Trump can start opening up parts of the country

So #twoweeks

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 04, 2020 06:02 PM (9TdxA)

1031 1030 Once the numbers in NYC start coming down, Trump can start opening up parts of the country

So #twoweeks

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 04, 2020 06:02 PM (9TdxA)


Hope so. If we don't get flare up like LA.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 06:03 PM (lnWzE)

1032 1030 Once the numbers in NYC start coming down, Trump can start opening up parts of the country

So #twoweeks
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 04, 2020 06:02 PM (9TdxA)

Did you go to the data website?

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

Look at New York.

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 06:06 PM (UZ8BZ)

1033 Next coupla weeks in NY/NJ gonna be tough. Mostly because a large group of people decided to play chicken with Darwin.

Posted by: BluesFish at April 04, 2020 06:06 PM (u/4tA)

1034 I don't bring the mail into the house.
I open it in the garage let the info fall to the left
and put envelopes in the trash can then wash my hands before picking up the actual mail.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 06:09 PM (lnWzE)

1035 I don't give a hoot for their projections, their wish lists for those out to get the President. Thats why I kook at yesterday numbers daily to see where its going .

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2020 06:12 PM (ZCEU2)

1036 Pennsylvania's in pretty good shape, Skip!

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 06:14 PM (UZ8BZ)

1037 Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2020 06:09 PM (lnWzE)
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garage is the decon room. strip down, clothes go in the washer. mail and packages get sprayed with bleach solution, and put into container outside for 24 hours. get opened outside.

neighboring town infection rate is 6.62 per thousand. theyre dropping like flies.

Posted by: BluesFish at April 04, 2020 06:18 PM (WQZ1O)

1038 @1032. Great information
NY will leak a drop in 6 days, after a week of resource shortages

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 04, 2020 06:18 PM (9TdxA)

1039 Here's an NPR article about ventilators and survival rates.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ttyrk2z

Posted by: m at April 04, 2020 06:24 PM (UZ8BZ)

1040 I find this all incredibly ridiculous, China manufactures just about everything the world consumes.

They also have tens of millions of it's citizens spread out around the globe, at universities, in labs, in manufacturing and distribution hubs, theses citizens travel back and forth, which is how this thing spread in the first place.

When and if this madness is allowed to subside, what's to prevent this from becoming an annual occurrence?

Oh and according to WorldMeter, the US is now the main vector of the virus.

Comical.

Posted by: Inspector Johnson at April 04, 2020 06:26 PM (U8WBs)

1041 Fauci has dirty globalist connections ... stood up and praised the crooked Marxist WHO director ... in January he told us not to worry about this virus.


Steve Pieczenik is a PsyOp type guy across a few administrations, also assisted Tom Clancy, said he trained under Fauci, and thinks there are issues.


youtu.be/U3wPC9Z1PSU?t=31

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2020 06:48 PM (Cus5s)

1042 I know we occasionally wonder what would be happening now if Hillary had won, and I have a few thoughts.
Most likely we would never have heard of the Chinese flu-as I suspect this was all orchestrated to hurt Pres. Trump. They wanted to make him look bad. Unfortunately for them, he is -as you all say-acting "like a boss". Because they have failed to not only look inadequate, but they have allowed him to gain approval, I suspect that this whole crisis will be winding down soon. It's hurting them too much to continue.
On the off chance that the crisis is real, and Hillary was president , she would have used the occasion to direct the trillions to every union in the country, no money for us paroles, and no company's would be encouraged to return to America, etc.

Posted by: Chillin the most at April 04, 2020 09:11 PM (lonOK)

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