Is It Time To Cut Puerto Rico Loose, Or Completely Take It Over?

Puerto Rico, an unincorporated territory of the United States, was struck by hurricanes in September 2017. These storms left the island devestated.

Hurricane Irma struck Puerto Rico in early September 2017. Two weeks later, on September 20, Hurricane Maria made landfall in the municipality of Yabucoa. When the debris settled, almost 3,000 people were dead, thousands more were displaced, and the island’s already aging infrastructure was severely weakened. The island’s antiquated power grid, which had been neglected for years, took an especially hard blow. Immediately after the storm, at least 1.5 million people were left without electricity, some for almost a year, casting the island into the longest blackout in U.S. history.

Of course "climate change" was blamed. As we all know, living in the middle of an ocean has no risk whatsoever. And there is no reason to build your infrastructure accordingly for example.


When the scolds came up for air, it was "Orange Man Bad"."

The mouthy representative was joined by Miami Representative Donna Shalala, who said:

“It’s been almost 2 1/2 years since Hurricane Maria devastated the island, but the Trump administration continues delaying the disbursement of billions of dollars in disaster relief for Puerto Rico. Rebuilding Puerto Rico cannot continue to be postponed due to bureaucratic inertia in Washington.”

Not all of the problems with Puerto Rico's recovery were Washington's fault. The duly elected governor resigned.


And of course we can't forget about aid wasting away in warehouses.


The government of Puerto Rico is either inept or corrupt. I'm starting to think there are more inept individuals there than corrupt. The latest news from Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico’s government fell victim to a $2.6M email phishing scam

The government of Puerto Rico has revealed it fell victim to an email phishing scam, with the attackers making off with more than $2.6 million in stolen funds.

On February 12, the finance director of the island’s Industrial Development Company, Rubén Rivera, filed a compliant to police, noting the agency wired the funds to a fraudulent account, AP reports.


The transfer purportedly took place on January 17, after the agency received an email which suggested there has been a change to a banking account tied to remittance payments, according to a police statement.


It's time to say "Buh-bye" Puerto Rico. Give them a set amount of money and let them sink or swim on their own. Without Uncle Sam's cash trough to prop them perhaps they will get serious about governing. There is no need to take them as the 51st State of the U.S.A. as we have enough incompetent states. (Looking at Illinois and California)

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at 02:15 PM




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1 I have the same attitude I have towards more money for schools. Show me you can spend the money intelligently, and that people will be held to account for incompetence / malfeasance, and we can talk. Absent that, LOLGF.

Posted by: pep at February 16, 2020 02:17 PM (T6t7i)

2 Roomy

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (gMngZ)

3 new one!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (ghFVE)

4 First?

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (/UQ/R)

5 no way!

Posted by: lin-duh at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (UUBmN)

6 Dang! Read the content. Rookie mistake

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (/UQ/R)

7 It's time to say "Buh-bye" Puerto Rico. Give them a set amount of money and let them sink or swim on their own.

Agree with this, but since Puerto Ricans are US citizens, what happens when the entire island decides to move to the mainland?

Posted by: pep at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (T6t7i)

8 Take it over and all you gain is another failed Democrat state

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 02:20 PM (ZCEU2)

9 8
Take it over and all you gain is another failed Democrat state

Posted by: Skip


That doesn't speak English.

Posted by: pep at February 16, 2020 02:20 PM (T6t7i)

10 Porto rice...

Not in my lifetime

Posted by: krusty at February 16, 2020 02:21 PM (QTR/U)

11 2 Democrat Senators, 1 or 2 Democrat Congressmen, and a pile of debt to be paid by taxes from 50 other states.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 02:21 PM (ZCEU2)

12 Take it over and all you gain is another failed Democrat state

Posted by: Skip

That doesn't speak English.


Like California will be soon.

Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at February 16, 2020 02:22 PM (SchxB)

13 Dammit MisHum! I have work to do, and these meaty postings are wrecking my plans! Put up some Yoko.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:22 PM (2ygtH)

14 Just what we need, a really corrupt 51st state. Cut 'em loose.

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 02:23 PM (cF8AT)

15 sorry...

porto pobre...!

Posted by: krusty at February 16, 2020 02:24 PM (QTR/U)

16 I say cut them loose. They seem to hate the USA anyway. Why on earth do we cling to this useless speck anyway?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:24 PM (KZzsI)

17 Cut em loose.

Posted by: Prickly Pete Salmonella at February 16, 2020 02:25 PM (cJqki)

18 I say cut them loose. They seem to hate the USA anyway. Why on earth do we cling to this useless speck anyway?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

The colorful parades.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:25 PM (2ygtH)

19 I say cut them loose. They seem to hate the USA anyway. Why on earth do we cling to this useless speck anyway?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:24 PM (KZzsI)
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Coaling stations in the Caribbean.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Co. Q, 365th Dog Faced Pony Soldier Bn. at February 16, 2020 02:25 PM (jW9oF)

20 "Make them a state!!"

Posted by: Every Idiot DemonTard at February 16, 2020 02:25 PM (7Fj9P)

21 Former (cheating) manager of the Red Sox (Alex Cora) now has plenty of time to save P.R.

Posted by: Groundhog at February 16, 2020 02:26 PM (VYwSh)

22 I disagree, because I think with even a tiny bit of competent management Puerto Rico could be one of the most wonderful and profitable spots in the entire Caribbean. Our Congress over the last 50 years deserves every bit of the blame that anyone on Puerto Rico does, they have used it as a toy to scam money out of and nothing more.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 02:26 PM (V2Yro)

23 I remember not long after one of the hurricanes in the midst of one of those :look at all the suffering Trump is causing" stories, the reporter accidentally committed an act of journalism and mentioned that most of the destroyed buildings were never built to code in the first place.

Taking it over would require an attempt to change the culture from banana republic to first world republic, and I doubt it's possible. Heck, I'd probably resent it if I were them.

Sell it to the Chinese.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at February 16, 2020 02:26 PM (Wm5SB)

24 willowed,

lin-duh! good to see you! How are you feeling?

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 16, 2020 02:26 PM (PkVlr)

25 Cut the cord. Sink or swim, Puerto Rico. It's up to you.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 02:26 PM (XxJt1)

26 I disagree, because I think with even a tiny bit of competent management Puerto Rico could be one of the most wonderful and profitable spots in the entire Caribbean. Our Congress over the last 50 years deserves every bit of the blame that anyone on Puerto Rico does, they have used it as a toy to scam money out of and nothing more.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 02:26 PM (V2Yro)
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Well, so could Gaza, for that matter, but look at who the locals have chosen to run the place.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Co. Q, 365th Dog Faced Pony Soldier Bn. at February 16, 2020 02:27 PM (jW9oF)

27 We probably need to reel them in with a strong dose of Conservative oversight.
If not I bet the Venezuelan and Cubans will find the resources to put a Brigade on the ground and render the case moot.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 16, 2020 02:27 PM (axyOa)

28 They don't "hate the US" - they hate the way the US has mismanaged them, and they're right on that count.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 02:27 PM (V2Yro)

29 Yup, PR is a sad almost failed state. Cut them loose. Let the citizens move to the mainland or remain on the island and remain as peurto ricans the limbo between not a state but being us citizens is not working.

Posted by: USNtakim at February 16, 2020 02:27 PM (0OmEj)

30 Cut em loose, I just don't know how that really goes down legally. But don't send another nickel their way and they'll go off on their own real fast.

I'm glad Trump pushed back on his critics, but at the end of the day, even he basically gave them what they wanted so he wouldn't be called a racist. Just money down a rabbit hole.

Posted by: Blago at February 16, 2020 02:28 PM (sjTfF)

31 Clearly, Trump is looking for a quid pro quo...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 16, 2020 02:28 PM (/dN1M)

32 We probably need to reel them in with a strong dose of Conservative oversight.
If not I bet the Venezuelan and Cubans will find the resources to put a Brigade on the ground and render the case moot.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 16, 2020 02:27 PM (axyOa)
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Haiti had the best time since they threw out the French when the U. S. was running the place, and look what happened when we left.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Co. Q, 365th Dog Faced Pony Soldier Bn. at February 16, 2020 02:29 PM (jW9oF)

33 How dare you ... call Illinois incompetent ... they are 99% corrupt, and very competent at it.


that means the Richard Daly gang, that was passed down to his son, then to Madigan. And Chicago, the commie capital of the US, gives us Obama, Hillary (spent some time there) ... lots of commie forces operate out of Chicago ... they must be competent, only our governors go to prison, not the main Crime Lords.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 16, 2020 02:29 PM (Cus5s)

34 Well, so could Gaza, for that matter, but look at who the locals have chosen to run the place.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Co. Q, 365th Dog Faced Pony Soldier Bn. at February 16, 2020 02:27 PM (jW9oF)\

Gaza is infected with the poison of Islam. That's incurable. Puerto Rico is still very Catholic.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 02:29 PM (V2Yro)

35 Sell it to the Chinese.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at February 16, 2020 02:26 PM (Wm5SB)


Trade it to Denmark for Greenland. Denmark needs a Caribbean outpost.

Posted by: DR.WTF at February 16, 2020 02:29 PM (aS1PU)

36 22
I disagree, because I think with even a tiny bit of competent
management Puerto Rico could be one of the most wonderful and profitable
spots in the entire Caribbean.


And with $1000B I could run the world. The problem is that corruption is part of the culture, and achievement isn't, so unless you're willing to pick up the white man's burden and force them to do things your way, it's up to them to change it. I, for one, feel no need to save the world.

Posted by: pep at February 16, 2020 02:30 PM (T6t7i)

37 Agree with this, but since Puerto Ricans are US citizens, what happens when the entire island decides to move to the mainland?
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they basically are. A local contractor group my company helps sponsor was tripping all over their dicks to tell us how easy it was to recruit laborers from PR. "No immigration requirements!" This is the one downside to Trump's economy, there's a vacuum for skilled/unskilled jobs being filled with a permanent Dcrat voter base.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:31 PM (7Fj9P)

38 urse,
Thanks for asking. Yes, I'm feeling better but still feel tired all the time. Also a bit of dizziness and light headedness. I guess that just means I'm not over it completely yet. I think it took me about 3-4 weeks before I felt myself again last time I got the flu.

Posted by: lin-duh at February 16, 2020 02:31 PM (UUBmN)

39 competent management.

i doubt anyone in puerto rico understands that concept.

Posted by: krusty at February 16, 2020 02:31 PM (QTR/U)

40 Well, so could Gaza, for that matter, but look at who the locals have chosen to run the place.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Co. Q, 365th Dog Faced Pony Soldier Bn

Hmmmm, it's almost like there is a racial or cultural component in play.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:33 PM (2ygtH)

41 Move all the bureaucrats to PR and turn Washington into a theme park. Trumpworld.

Posted by: freaked at February 16, 2020 02:33 PM (Tnijr)

42 Sell Puerto Rico to Britain.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:33 PM (Hg4NE)

43 PDT and Melania!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6_H6NjiIMk

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:33 PM (ghFVE)

44 39 competent management.

i doubt anyone in puerto rico understands that concept.
Posted by: krusty at February 16, 2020 02:31 PM (QTR/U)


The lack of which is the defining characteristic of all Third World countries.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 02:34 PM (7p0Hn)

45 Trade them to Canada. What do we want from Canada? Not Ontario or Quebec.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:34 PM (u82oZ)

46 Appoint Alex Cora to direct the rebuild. I hear he has time these days.

Posted by: mr tmz at February 16, 2020 02:34 PM (m/Gc2)

47 Cut it loose.

Posted by: Gref at February 16, 2020 02:34 PM (AMIL/)

48 41 Move all the bureaucrats to PR and turn Washington into a theme park. Trumpworld.

Posted by: freaked at February 16, 2020 02:33 PM (Tnijr)


Genius

The District of Puerto Rico

Not a city
Not a mayor
Not a vote

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:34 PM (Hg4NE)

49 What do we want from Canada?
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British Columbia. That province is awesome.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:35 PM (7Fj9P)

50 Swap it for Iceland.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 16, 2020 02:35 PM (2kj6M)

51 We have been carrying them for decades after decades. I say give them nothing and cut them lose. But the Democrats will howl. But the House will not be able to stop it since they are a treaty. Also remove the ability of them to travel to the US unless they get a visa like any other country. And remove their right to vote if the set one foot in the US.

Posted by: Vic at February 16, 2020 02:35 PM (mpXpK)

52 "The government of Puerto Rico is either inept or corrupt."

At some point, there is no distinction.

Posted by: Schuler at February 16, 2020 02:36 PM (ySdHR)

53 "...casting the island into the longest blackout in U.S. history."

If Trump would just build a train going to Puerto Rico I could go there and take some money from Trump's vault and with the help of my family we will make Puerto Green again!

Posted by: AOC at February 16, 2020 02:36 PM (Vy7tf)

54 If you want to see what PR is like, all you have to do is hit every city from New Haven CT to Holyoke Mass.

Puerto Ricans at least in this area were brought in to pick tobacco and never went back.

3-4 generations now and English is their 2nd language.

Posted by: Groundhog at February 16, 2020 02:37 PM (VYwSh)

55 50
Swap it for Iceland.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.


Now there's an idea. Best vacation spot on planet Earth.

Posted by: pep at February 16, 2020 02:37 PM (T6t7i)

56 Close the border first, or we'll have a flood of 'refugees.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 02:37 PM (wc1vX)

57 They don't want *us*. I'm okay with that. Give them a set amount of cash and pull out EVERYTHING that ties them to the USA. Sink or swim d*ckheads, sink or swim.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 02:37 PM (a4qVe)

58
Trade it to Denmark for Greenland. Denmark needs a Caribbean outpost.
Posted by: DR.WTF at February 16, 2020 02:29 PM (aS1PU

We brought what are now the US Virgin Islands from them before our entry into The Great War.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 16, 2020 02:38 PM (qyH+l)

59 And with $1000B I could run the world. The problem is that corruption is part of the culture, and achievement isn't, so unless you're willing to pick up the white man's burden and force them to do things your way, it's up to them to change it. I, for one, feel no need to save the world.
Posted by: pep at February 16, 2020 02:30 PM (T6t7i)

The core problem is, it's US that is enforcing, enabling, and backing the corruption! We always have.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 02:38 PM (V2Yro)

60 Trump up to microphone!

Jets taking off....

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 02:38 PM (cF8AT)

61 Devil is in the details ... we can't just surrender all our efforts at global influence ... give them over to China. But the corrupt DeepState is so entrenched, every effort at "spreading democracy" ends up in Barisma/Ukraine style grift on a hug scale.


Soros and the Foundations love their NGOs, and fund them with tax-free income. Ukraine could be the start of cleaning up our "World Policing used for oligarch profiteering" game. We need to engage with neighbors and allies around the world, but cut the DeepState middle men out of the process. (not so easy when witnesses like Epstein, Whitey and Seth disappear ... and patriots face oppressive persecution and malicious prosecution)

Posted by: illiniwek at February 16, 2020 02:38 PM (Cus5s)

62 Trade it for Greenland. The Danes need somewhere warm to go and Greenland is rightfully ours in the first place.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 02:38 PM (gd9RK)

63 Captain Obvious, Co. Q, 365th Dog Faced Pony Soldier Bn.

We closed Naval Station Roosevelt Roads at the PR government's request. And closed an excellent Vieques Island training area also.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (u82oZ)

64 The government of Puerto Rico is either inept or corrupt."

At some point, there is no distinction.
Posted by: Schuler at February


***

And sprinkled liberally with Latin machismo bullshit.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (axyOa)

65 Annnnd friggin' Fox goes to commercial. WTFF!?

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (cF8AT)

66 Shit. Second with that idea. Fucking Horde.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (gd9RK)

67 There is something about the tropics which seems to corrode ambition and ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and incompetent. Its like a belt of sloth and failure around the world

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (KZzsI)

68 43 PDT and Melania!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6_H6NjiIMk

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:33 PM (ghFVE)


FOX Broadcast managed not to show this.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (Hg4NE)

69 Oh, yea, they can't move to Florida either, no passport no visits. Amp up the Coastguard on the Florida coast.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (a4qVe)

70 There's only 3.6 million people on the entire island, less than most major US urban areas.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (V2Yro)

71 Of the two choices, CUT THEM OFF.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 16, 2020 02:40 PM (pw+jk)

72 Fox has become what they used to mock.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 16, 2020 02:40 PM (PkVlr)

73 So Trump just finished speaking. What a breath of fresh air this man is. I don't recall hearing the word "I" even once.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 02:40 PM (XxJt1)

74 Good afternoon!

Let's smile and be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

My Internet works! Yeah. Now my wife can shop.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:40 PM (u82oZ)

75 Say what you will about the Ottomans, but they knew how to govern territories such a Puerto Rico.


Do what you are told or Rape, Plunder, Pillage.



HQ School of Business 101

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:40 PM (HALdu)

76 The District of Puerto Rico

Not a city
Not a mayor
Not a vote
Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:34 PM (Hg4NE

But more than ten miles square.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 16, 2020 02:40 PM (qyH+l)

77 The core problem is, it's US that is enforcing, enabling, and backing the corruption! We always have.

Posted by: Tom Servo


It's not quite so simple, but I agree we should stop subsidizing the corruption. It's like a lazy 20-something in your basement. If you don't make them shift for themselves, they've no reason to grow up.

Posted by: pep at February 16, 2020 02:40 PM (T6t7i)

78 fox sucks. that is all.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 16, 2020 02:41 PM (KP5rU)

79 they basically are. A local contractor group my
company helps sponsor was tripping all over their dicks to tell us how
easy it was to recruit laborers from PR. "No immigration requirements!"
This is the one downside to Trump's economy, there's a vacuum for
skilled/unskilled jobs being filled with a permanent Dcrat voter base.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:31 PM (7Fj9P)
______________________________________________My old boss when I was in college hired a lot of PRs to work in his restaurant kitchen. They all universally disparaged America as inferior to Puerto Rico in every way, but could never answer why they were living in the States.

Posted by: elliot at February 16, 2020 02:41 PM (k94B5)

80 There is something about the tropics which seems to
corrode ambition and ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and
incompetent. Its like a belt of sloth and failure around the world

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


Great observation! (steals idea, slinks off.)

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:41 PM (2ygtH)

81 Have we ever cut anyone loose? What will it be called ? Conscious uncoupling ??

Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 02:41 PM (zr5Kq)

82 If we're gonna move Washington DC anywhere, I say it should be somewhere in the Aleutian Islands, not a tropical paradise.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:41 PM (KZzsI)

83 When I visited there the Tour guide from Ireland and a Botanist and did tours of the side for extra money, He said most of the Population was on welfare over 70%. They could grow coffee but they are too lazy to pick it so it has to be imported. He would fit in here.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 02:41 PM (dKiJG)

84 Welcome back to cyberspace, Salty.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 02:42 PM (XxJt1)

85 Wait, I tuned in to Hick Rally to see PDT and you're telling me it happened and they didn't show it?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 02:42 PM (gd9RK)

86 There is something about the tropics which seems to
corrode ambition and ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and
incompetent. Its like a belt of sloth and failure around the world

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor




Has something to do with the rum fueled incest

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:42 PM (HALdu)

87 The Daytona 500 is coming on. It's like a giant Trump rally. Lap in The Beast. The Thunderbirds. And hundreds of thousands of screaming deplorables.

Posted by: Redenzo at February 16, 2020 02:42 PM (E7vND)

88 Greenland is nice. Cold though.

Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 02:42 PM (zr5Kq)

89 67
There is something about the tropics which seems to corrode ambition and
ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and incompetent. Its like
a belt of sloth and failure around the world


The funny thing is that my personal mentor and scientific hero is of PR ancestry. He grew up in NYC (Brooklyn, maybe?) and was twice the worker and 10x the brain I ever was.

Posted by: pep at February 16, 2020 02:43 PM (T6t7i)

90 We have a sister church in Campo Alegre, PR that we have been sending aid to over the past few years.

One of the things that they noted to us is that after the hurricanes, the professional individuals that had the means fled to the the US, leaving behind mostly unskilled laborers, impoverished low education individuals and elderly and disabled, all who lacked the resources to leave.

So basically, they are attempting to rebuild the island and care for the elderly and infirmed with relief workers and unskilled laborers. When skilled individuals are needed the most, they are the least available.

This is a glimpse at what will happen, IMO, if our own government attempts to turn socialist. The best and brightest will flee leaving an ever increasing incompetent citizenry to try to sort out increasingly difficult problems.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 16, 2020 02:43 PM (MMC4G)

91 There's nothing wrong with Puerto Rico per se, i.e., geographically.

What's wrong with Puerto Rico is it's full of Puerto Ricans. Same thing with South America, Africa, and the Middle East (sans Israel).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 02:43 PM (7p0Hn)

92 85: you would be correct. fox blows flaming clown boners.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 16, 2020 02:43 PM (KP5rU)

93 I get that working in 150% humidity and 120 degree weather is damned unpleasant but that doesn't explain everything.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:43 PM (KZzsI)

94 My dear departed Dad once made the observation (as we were strolling through Acapulco) that he's never been anywhere that Spanish was the primary language that wasn't totally corrupt. I've yet to see evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 02:44 PM (OMsf+)

95 Greenland is nice. Cold though.
Posted by: runner at Februar




No puerto ricans

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:44 PM (HALdu)

96 The government of Puerto Rico is either inept or corrupt.

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Yeah, right. Inept "or" corrupt.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 02:44 PM (+y/Ru)

97 One of the things that they noted to us is that after the hurricanes, the professional individuals that had the means fled to the the US, leaving behind mostly unskilled laborers, impoverished low education individuals and elderly and disabled, all who lacked the resources to leave.

Aka "social distillation."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 02:44 PM (7p0Hn)

98 Melania is dangerous. Probably part of Trump's initial attraction.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:44 PM (Hg4NE)

99 81 Have we ever cut anyone loose? What will it be called ? Conscious uncoupling ??
Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 02:41 PM (zr5Kq)


Phillippines?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 02:45 PM (7p0Hn)

100 The government of Puerto Rico is either inept or corrupt.

-
Yeah, right. Inept "or" corrupt.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February



Is there someone here not familiar with the power of "and"?

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:45 PM (HALdu)

101 The Daytona 500 is coming on. It's like a giant Trump rally. Lap in The Beast. The Thunderbirds. And hundreds of thousands of screaming deplorables.
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They should deploy the mini-gun are spit off a bunch of blanks. Truly a triggering moment!

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:45 PM (7Fj9P)

102 Lease it out to China ?

Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 02:46 PM (zr5Kq)

103 94 - Spain?

Posted by: kallisto at February 16, 2020 02:46 PM (0Dnge)

104 Cut. It. Loose.

Next.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at February 16, 2020 02:46 PM (jWe5r)

105 The funny thing is that my personal mentor and scientific hero is of PR ancestry. He grew up in NYC (Brooklyn, maybe?) and was twice the worker and 10x the brain I ever was.

Supposedly Jamaicans are super hard workers -- when not in Jamaica. 3 jobs, work all day long. Its the region, somehow. Everything comes too easily, its too relaxed and comfortable to care, and too hot to work.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:46 PM (KZzsI)

106 @CurtisHouck

Video: Trump addressing the #Daytona500 audience pre-race to raucous applause -> "My fellow race fans, there is no greater thrill than to join you at the World Center of Racing for the 620nd second Daytona 500 -- so exciting!"

https://tinyurl.com/rx6l6c6


For those that missed this because Effing Fox cut to commercials....

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 02:47 PM (cF8AT)

107 this fox broadcast in mind numbing. retarded even. so fucking many layers of stupid.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 16, 2020 02:47 PM (KP5rU)

108 Spain?

Posted by: kallisto at February 16, 2020 02:46 PM


Hell, that was his *first* experience, in the early 60s.

Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 02:47 PM (OMsf+)

109 not so

The Greenland natives have been crushed by alcoholism and no jobs. The Danes emigrating to Greenland took most of the good jobs.

Hrothgar's book Tuning the Rig was very helpful in pointing this out.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:47 PM (u82oZ)

110 Trump needs to make a visit to puerto rico.

When he gets up to make his speech he needs to begin by asking

"WHAT THE FUCK IS WONG WITH YOU!?"

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:47 PM (HALdu)

111 Trade it for Greenland. The Danes could use a warm vacation land.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 02:48 PM (+y/Ru)

112 My dear departed Dad once made the observation (as we were strolling through Acapulco) that he's never been anywhere that Spanish was the primary language that wasn't totally corrupt.

Long, long ago the Spaniard had honor and was hard working and productive. Then they discovered the new world and found an ocean of cheaply obtained riches. Shiploads of MILLIONS of dollars of silver every year. Slaves working for basically nothing to produce ship loads of food sold for a fortune.

After like 30 generations, they're all lazy as hell and corrupt.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:48 PM (KZzsI)

113 {{{creeper}}}

How are you doing? I trust you are well, and a survivor of another OK winter.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:48 PM (u82oZ)

114 not so

The Greenland natives have been crushed by alcoholism and no jobs. The Danes emigrating to Greenland took most of the good jobs.

Hrothgar's book Tuning the Rig was very helpful in pointing this out.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February




meh

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:49 PM (HALdu)

115 The Daytona 500 is coming on. It's like a giant Trump rally. Lap in The Beast. The Thunderbirds. And hundreds of thousands of screaming deplorables.
-------------------------------------
'MURICA!!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 02:49 PM (0zDoP)

116 Supposedly Jamaicans are super hard workers -- when not in Jamaica. 3 jobs, work all day long. Its the region, somehow. Everything comes too easily, its too relaxed and comfortable to care, and too hot to work.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:46 PM (KZzsI)


You can kind of see that at work in Hawaii. Life is just too easy ("ain't no ting, bruddah"). It's not as though you have to plan and lay aside resources to get through a bitter winter. The weather is clement all year round.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 02:49 PM (7p0Hn)

117
The core problem is, it's US that is enforcing, enabling, and backing the corruption! We always have.



And we're making a bundle!

Posted by: Hillary! at February 16, 2020 02:50 PM (wc1vX)

118 The think I dislike about PR is that a lot of their case law is focused on Spanish (as in the current legal system in SPAIN) precedents.

I would not be concerned so much if it were based on Spanish Colonial case law, after all the goal was a continuity of legal systems, customs and usages, but since there has been 5 serious changes in Spanish governments and their laws since 1898, if renewal is required I would feel a focus on English common law would be more germane.

That and to be honest, I don't deal much with people from PR, but the ones I have made me think fondly of the Cubans I have had to deal with. Cubans have some sort of sense of humor for one.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 16, 2020 02:50 PM (6rS3m)

119
This is a glimpse at what will happen, IMO, if our own government attempts to turn socialist. The best and brightest will flee leaving an ever increasing incompetent citizenry to try to sort out increasingly difficult problems.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger


Where will they go?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 02:51 PM (aKsyK)

120 did I miss Trump's lap at Daytona?

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 16, 2020 02:51 PM (iTXRQ)

121 Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

Nah. That's how we got the American Virgin Islands.

Buy Greenland outright, make it an American economic zone, site a lot of missiles there, and then trade Puerto Rico to Canada for draft picks to be named later.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:51 PM (u82oZ)

122 Spain was corrupt before they found the Americas.

Story goes that only the accountants and ships captains knew how much gold was carried back to Spain.

The captains and accountants became very wealthy.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:51 PM (Hg4NE)

123 Phillippines?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 02:45 PM (7p0Hn)


True. They were not US citizens though, were they ? That adds a complication.

Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 02:51 PM (zr5Kq)

124 99 81 Have we ever cut anyone loose? What will it be called ? Conscious uncoupling ??
Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 02:41 PM (zr5Kq)

Phillippines?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 02:45 PM (7p0Hn

PI manage to have daily blackouts in goodweather.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at February 16, 2020 02:51 PM (Vy7tf)

125 Two of the first Spanish words I was taught were "propina" and "mordida".

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 02:51 PM (XxJt1)

126 70
There's only 3.6 million people on the entire island, less than most major US urban areas.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (V2Yro)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------It is estimated that 5.8 million Puerto Ricans live in the states.
I remember listening to the President of Ireland talk about 4 million people living in Ireland and 30 million people in the US of Irish descent. The numbers were pretty eye opening.

Posted by: elliot at February 16, 2020 02:51 PM (k94B5)

127 68 43 PDT and Melania!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6_H6NjiIMk

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:33 PM (ghFVE)


FOX Broadcast managed not to show this.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (Hg4NE)

WTF are you doing Fox, I don't give a shit about Shamus,

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 02:52 PM (dKiJG)

128 Here's a 17-second clip of PDT in the Beast taking a lap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEJlVdzgC0

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:52 PM (ghFVE)

129 The thing I know about puerto ricans is that their women do not seem to know that you should not cheat on your new husband with your exboyfriend in the hotel where the husband works.


re: my neighbor

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:52 PM (HALdu)

130 Trump and Melania now trackside.

Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 02:52 PM (OMsf+)

131 Donald Trump has arrived. Melania looks nervous. Trump is in his element.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 02:52 PM (0zDoP)

132 Give up Puerto Rico or try and save it, an age old problem

One the one hand, its always going to be filled with, well, Puerto Ricans - so, corrupt and lazy and stupid. Sorry, Carmen, who I know lurks here.

On the other hand, you don't want those filthy ChiComs or CubeComs to get their bloody hands on it - because they'll turn Ricans into corrupt lazy stupid communists in a heart beat, another island threat off our coast.

I'd let it go, but with a caveat - we'll turn the place into rubble unless they sign a status of force agreement into perpetuity.

Posted by: Boswell at February 16, 2020 02:53 PM (32YRo)

133 Does anyone have a link to the Beast on the track?

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 02:53 PM (XxJt1)

134 Thanks, m.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 02:53 PM (XxJt1)

135 Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Inland. A USexit, with rumps on either coast.

Prepare for expeditionary warfare to return CA and NY to America.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:53 PM (u82oZ)

136 https://preview.tinyurl.com/u57rctw

Start of the race.

PDT and Melania again!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:54 PM (ghFVE)

137 As a former resident I can say with confidence you are never going to reform PR. It is culturally more in sync with Latin America than the US.

Set it free.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 02:54 PM (ZLI7S)

138 there he is

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 16, 2020 02:55 PM (iTXRQ)

139 There is something about the tropics which seems to corrode ambition and ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and incompetent. Its like a belt of sloth and failure around the world
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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First you learn the native custom
Soon a word of Spanish or two
You know that you cannot trust them
Cause they know they can't trust you

Posted by: J. Buffet at February 16, 2020 02:55 PM (2kj6M)

140 Spain was corrupt before they found the Americas.

I think it all started with Umayyad rule.

Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 02:55 PM (OMsf+)

141 heard '4 more years'

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 16, 2020 02:55 PM (iTXRQ)

142 There is something about the tropics which seems to corrode ambition and ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and incompetent. Its like a belt of sloth and failure around the world
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
--------

First you learn the native custom
Soon a word of Spanish or two
You know that you cannot trust them
Cause they know they can't trust you
Posted by: J. Buffet
---------

Send lawyers, guns, and money.

Posted by: W. Zevon at February 16, 2020 02:55 PM (2kj6M)

143 The anthem singer is stationed at Bolling AFB in DC.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 02:56 PM (0zDoP)

144 I LOVE these announcers.

"In Jesus's name we pray."

National Anthem!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/u57rctw

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:56 PM (ghFVE)

145 131 Donald Trump has arrived. Melania looks nervous. Trump is in his element.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 02:52 PM (0zDoP)


She's got that cat's eyem watching you look.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:56 PM (Hg4NE)

146
There is something about the tropics which seems to corrode ambition and ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and incompetent. Its like a belt of sloth and failure around the world
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

=======

Too effin' true.

It may be related or not, but I had an experience with attending a Puerto Rican friend's wedding in Puerto Rico. He just about lost his mind over his family's behavior. He explained to them up, down, sideways, and back again, getting their affirmation at every sentence, that this time it had to be different. His American friends were flying in, he'd hired American friends as the minister, the photographer who would do candid outdoor photos of the wedding and the reception (to take place at the same venue boom-boom), and to do the cooking for the reception, so they HAD TO BE ON TIME FOR HIS WEDDING.

I couldn't believe how casually his family arrived 2 hours late, with the photographer having lost most of her light and the food gone cold. Just *sauntered* in.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 16, 2020 02:56 PM (G51Gf)

147 runner

We had plenty of Philippines citizens serving in the US Navy after it became independent.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:56 PM (u82oZ)

148 You betcha, creeper.
Stuff's hard to find!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:56 PM (ghFVE)

149 Maybe that's why the Aztec's had to lop off some heads in order to get some work done.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 02:57 PM (dKiJG)

150 GO AIR FORCE! !

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 02:57 PM (0zDoP)

151 That girl can sing!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:57 PM (ghFVE)

152 lol BF just called spitting mad because FOX cut away from POTUS. I told him to relax and switch to YT.

Posted by: kallisto at February 16, 2020 02:57 PM (0Dnge)

153 Long, long ago the Spaniard had honor and was hard working and productive. Then they discovered the new world and found an ocean of cheaply obtained riches. Shiploads of MILLIONS of dollars of silver every year. Slaves working for basically nothing to produce ship loads of food sold for a fortune.

After like 30 generations, they're all lazy as hell and corrupt.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:48 PM (KZzsI)

The other factor was that at the same time all this wealth poured in, in the 1500's and 1600's, the Spanish Monarchy set up a massive Bureaucracy to run everything, which was accountable to no one but itself. ALL of the Spanish speaking countries inherited this system, and IT more than anything else is the source of the constant corruption.

For hundreds of years, the only way for anyone to get anything done has been to find the proper official, big or small, and pay him off.

How to run Puerto Rico - put in place a provisional government, and have all posts staffed by NON Puerto Ricans with no connections to the island - and rotate them out of their postings every 6 months.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 02:57 PM (V2Yro)

154 Yeah, if you set it free it is going to be named Wuhan Rico within days.


Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:58 PM (HALdu)

155 Christopher R Taylor

Explain Singapore.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:58 PM (u82oZ)

156 Daytona. Thunderbirds, Trump and Melania, God Bless America sung, Star Spangled Bannervous sung.

Tough day for liberals.

Posted by: Redenzo at February 16, 2020 02:58 PM (E7vND)

157 As mentioned above corruption is the key ingredient of inept, or the other way around.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 02:58 PM (ZCEU2)

158 156 Daytona. Thunderbirds, Trump and Melania, God Bless America sung, Star Spangled Bannervous sung.

Tough day for liberals.
Posted by: Redenzo at February 16, 2020 02:58 PM (E7vND)

Maybe they'll get with the program.
Could happen!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:59 PM (ghFVE)

159



"AND"




Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:59 PM (HALdu)

160
There is something about the tropics which seems to corrode ambition and ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and incompetent. Its like a belt of sloth and failure around the world


Nothin' to do but help help Ginger and Mary Ann make coconut creampies.

Posted by: Hillary! at February 16, 2020 02:59 PM (wc1vX)

161 155 Christopher R Taylor

Explain Singapore.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:58 PM (u82oZ)

Old Chinese culture + a Benevolent Dictator.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 03:00 PM (V2Yro)

162 Did Fox cut away because of MurdochSpawn or because Bloomberg insisted with his ad spend

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 03:00 PM (8Kudz)

163 162: the power of and.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 16, 2020 03:00 PM (KP5rU)

164 81 Have we ever cut anyone loose? What will it be called ? Conscious uncoupling ??
Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 02:41 PM (zr5Kq)

As mentioned above, Philippines. Northern Marianas, "kind of". Returned Iwo and Okinawa, and some other islands, to Japan.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 16, 2020 03:00 PM (qyH+l)

165 156 Daytona. Thunderbirds, Trump and Melania, God Bless America sung, Star Spangled Bannervous sung.

Tough day for liberals.
Posted by: Redenzo
-----------------------
They're not watching.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:01 PM (0zDoP)

166 Tom Servo

Ass: On top of a British colonial governance system.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:01 PM (u82oZ)

167 156 Daytona. Thunderbirds, Trump and Melania, God Bless America sung, Star Spangled Bannervous sung.

Tough day for liberals.
Posted by: Redenzo at February 16, 2020 02:58 PM (E7vND)

And "The Beast" on the track.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 16, 2020 03:01 PM (qyH+l)

168 Canal Zone.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 03:01 PM (XxJt1)

169 Explain Singapore.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:58 PM (u82oZ)

Old Chinese culture + a Benevolent Dictator.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February




British colonial rule

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (HALdu)

170 Watching Daytona, the opening.

What a difference! The NFL can go fuck themselves.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (SELQh)

171 cut it

Posted by: CN at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (ONvIw)

172
Long, long ago the Spaniard had honor and was
hard working and productive. Then they discovered the new world and
found an ocean of cheaply obtained riches. Shiploads of MILLIONS of
dollars of silver every year. Slaves working for basically nothing to
produce ship loads of food sold for a fortune.



After like 30 generations, they're all lazy as hell and corrupt.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:48 PM (KZzsI)


Not really. Spain has always been corrupt. The riches of the Indies just made it worse. Prior to the end of the reconquista it was a collection of warring principalities, just like the German states, and there is a place to say Catalonia was a cut above, but on the whole, opportunistic, power grabbing strongmen. Once the crown got all the power and all the money, it was more of the same in a bigger sandbox.
Spain's saving grace was local autonomy and local laws, but even that went by the board with the liberal reforms to consolidate power after the Napoleonic wars

Franco was pretty honorable, but even he had to bend to the needs and wants of the power blocks in the kingdom. Even the absolute dictator had to bend a bit.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (6rS3m)

173 They're not watching.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:01 PM (0zDoP)

Yeah, they're most likely watching Bill Moyer reruns on their local PBS station...

Posted by: Boswell at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (32YRo)

174 My God Trump's wife is so damn Hot.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (dKiJG)

175 Did The Beast make a lap? Did I miss it?

Posted by: IrishEi at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (sGotD)

176 Add: On top of a British colonial governance system.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (u82oZ)

177
Explain Singapore.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
----------

#&$!&# guns were pointed the wrong way.

Posted by: Winston Churchill at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (4bd7D)

178 >>There is something about the tropics which seems to corrode ambition and ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and incompetent.

It's hot, there is a lot of rum, sand, ocean and palm trees.

I don't think we need a Congressional inquiry to solve this mystery.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 03:03 PM (ZLI7S)

179 175 Did The Beast make a lap? Did I miss it?

Posted by: IrishEi at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (sGotD)

Most of us missed it. Fox decided commercials were way more important.

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:03 PM (cF8AT)

180
British colonial rule
Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (HALdu)


refusal of Keynesian money theory, and Socialist economic theories.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 16, 2020 03:03 PM (6rS3m)

181 Bloomberg insisted with his ad spend

-
How Mini Mike thought it would be.

https://bit.ly/38xsGZr

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:03 PM (+y/Ru)

182 Fox actually interviewing 2 Scoops on camera

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 16, 2020 03:03 PM (iTXRQ)

183 175 Did The Beast make a lap? Did I miss it?
Posted by: IrishEi at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (sGotD)

128 Here's a 17-second clip of PDT in the Beast taking a lap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEJlVdzgC0
Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:52 PM (ghFVE)

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:04 PM (ghFVE)

184 Bitter hack, bitterly hacking....

@maggieNYT

Using the official apparatus of government for what appears to be a political event

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:04 PM (cF8AT)

185 British Colonial Rule had its ups and downs. Didn't do so well here in the States.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 03:05 PM (V2Yro)

186 Lived in the Republic of Panama for a while. As far as I am concerned, we could cut Puerto Rico loose and let it sink or swim. Spanish colonial is not the best way to rule a nation.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at February 16, 2020 03:05 PM (WFcrO)

187 As mentioned above, Philippines. Northern Marianas, "kind of". Returned Iwo and Okinawa, and some other islands, to Japan.
Posted by: Fox2! at February 16, 2020 03:00 PM (qyH+l)

so, possible. none given US passports, none were US citizens, though, right ? ( You can serve in US armed forces without being citizen.) will be taken over by China or Mexico, maybe turned into full-fledged drug republic within months. too close to home.

Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 03:05 PM (zr5Kq)

188

one word...

Siesta.

Posted by: krusty at February 16, 2020 03:06 PM (QTR/U)

189 Excellent bit of writing on the sub-topic that's emerged here - what makes for successful vs. unsuccessful economies and countries - was in two adjacent chapters in a PJ O'Rourke book (forget which)

From Everything, Nothing: Tanzania

From Nothing, Everything: Hong Kong

Just the chapter titles have tremendous meaning.

Anyway, been years, but greatly simplified - yep, how you do things, standards, behavior, "culture", not weather or resources.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:06 PM (El6T/)

190 British colonial rule

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:02 PM (HALdu)

Yeah, India sucks. So does Pakistan. Maybe its the Kurdish or Punjab or Pashtun but whatever was the issue - British Colonial Rule couldn't unbake that unholy cake.

Posted by: Boswell at February 16, 2020 03:06 PM (32YRo)

191 Did The Beast make a lap?

-
Yeah, right. Like Hillary could run a lap.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:06 PM (+y/Ru)

192 I had a chance to speak with several Families that made it to the Mainland after the storms (Boy Scout camp). It is truly sad how the corruption has devastated the country even with out the natural disasters. The Utilities are some of the worst.

Posted by: Picric at February 16, 2020 03:06 PM (nonGu)

193
Most of us missed it. Fox decided commercials were way more important.

Mini Mike commercials

Posted by: It's me donna at February 16, 2020 03:06 PM (6XlcD)

194 Nasty, mean Brits; all of their colonies were force fed discipline, math, reading, and orderly office management. Bastards.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 03:07 PM (Hg4NE)

195 184 Bitter hack, bitterly hacking....

@maggieNYT

Using the official apparatus of government for what appears to be a political event
Posted by: Tami
-------------------------------------
Livin' large and rent free in Maggie's head.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:07 PM (0zDoP)

196 Most of us missed it. Fox decided commercials were way more important.
Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:03 PM (cF8AT)
~~~~~

Jerks.
------------------------------------

128 Here's a 17-second clip of PDT in the Beast taking a lap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEJlVdzgC0
Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:04 PM (ghFVE)
~~~~~

Thanks, m!

Posted by: IrishEi at February 16, 2020 03:07 PM (sGotD)

197 thanks rhomboid.
Will look up

Posted by: krusty at February 16, 2020 03:08 PM (QTR/U)

198 184 - now we know at least one libtard was watching!

Posted by: kallisto at February 16, 2020 03:08 PM (0Dnge)

199 How are the US Virgin Islands?

Cue Outrage that Trump didn't include the Female Driver.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 03:08 PM (dKiJG)

200 Yeah, India sucks. So does Pakistan. Maybe its the Kurdish or Punjab or Pashtun but whatever was the issue - British Colonial Rule couldn't unbake that unholy cake.
Posted by: Boswell at February


Which explains nothing.

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:09 PM (HALdu)

201 Livin' large and rent free in Maggie's head.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:07 PM (0zDoP)

Wide open space in there for running around...

Posted by: Boswell at February 16, 2020 03:09 PM (32YRo)

202 What's up with Bloomberg's ad featuring Obama? Is he seriously thinking Obama will endorse him?

Posted by: IC at February 16, 2020 03:09 PM (sYDum)

203 Oh wait....

He may be getting ready to take the lap now!

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:10 PM (cF8AT)

204 Which explains nothing.

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:09 PM (HALdu)

Don't be obtuse - It explains why British Colonial Rule is not a dispositive reason to give for any one country's success after it has long since left.

Posted by: Boswell at February 16, 2020 03:10 PM (32YRo)

205 Here weeeeeeeeeee gooooooooooooooooooooo

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 03:11 PM (dKiJG)

206 He's going to do a lap.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 03:11 PM (Hg4NE)

207 203 I am under the impression that he didn't take the lap yet.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 03:09 PM (dKiJG)

Maybe that clip was a test run?

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:11 PM (ghFVE)

208 He's taking the pace lap now.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:11 PM (0zDoP)

209
Bloomberg insisted with his ad spend

-
How Mini Mike thought it would be.

https://bit.ly/38xsGZr
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler


Paywall

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 03:11 PM (aKsyK)

210 wow we just went w i d e

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 16, 2020 03:11 PM (iTXRQ)

211 Patrick from Ohio

They drive on the Left there, but seem more together than Puerto Rico.

We do have some interesting intel resources in Puerto Rico, so we gots that.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:11 PM (u82oZ)

212 Are they going to time the lap?

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 03:11 PM (Hg4NE)

213 Time was when I would agree that we should hold on to PR. But now? Cut it loose. Make it independent. Sink or swim.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 16, 2020 03:12 PM (kFLDt)

214
There is something about the tropics which seems to corrode ambition and ability, just makes everyone lazy and corrupt and incompetent. Its like a belt of sloth and failure around the world
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

=======

Hmm, just stumbled on this:

>>Air conditioning is important for the economy. In machine shops, productivity is at its peak at 65 degrees Fahrenheit with humidity between 65% and 75%. Productivity is 15% lower at 75 degrees and 28% lower at 86 degrees.



There's the laziness thing, which probably contributes to the corruption thing. If you're not going to produce, you'll have to scam.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 16, 2020 03:12 PM (G51Gf)

215 Roomy

Posted by: Tonypete at February 16, 2020 03:13 PM (Y4EXg)

216 PDT gets more press coverage and FREE TV time today than all Democrat candidates combined. Does he know marketing, or what?

Posted by: Gref at February 16, 2020 03:13 PM (AMIL/)

217 so wide

Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 03:13 PM (zr5Kq)

218 As Boswell put it, British colonial rule couldn't undo everything bad or unhelpful about a particular place or culture. Question is, how much of what's best about these places has clear roots in British influence (answer, often - a lot). Hong Kong and Singapore being the best examples.

There are quieter, less well understood cases. Oman and Jordan, even the current UAE a bit. Impossible to believe that much of their best governance or civic features would exist without the British influence (which, in those cases, is not merely in the rear-view mirror - "behind every minister is a retired senior British civil servant" is still somewhat the case).

Shortened and AOSHQ'd: "what have the Romans ever done for US?"

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:13 PM (El6T/)

219 Even the absolute dictator had to bend a bit.
Posted by: Kindltot

Occasionally, problem is you don't know when he's going to bend or kill everyone with your mDNA

Posted by: Jean at February 16, 2020 03:13 PM (B7KlG)

220
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 03:10 PM (dKiJG)

=======

Communist.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 16, 2020 03:13 PM (G51Gf)

221 Don't be obtuse - It explains why British Colonial Rule is not a dispositive reason to give for any one country's success after it has long since left.
Posted by: Boswell at February


Your analysis fails to account for dozens of important factors, including geography, history, religion, education, national identity, population size, integration into trading systems.

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:14 PM (HALdu)

222 They went to one of the driver's mic's....

"This is great. He's so awesome!"

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:14 PM (cF8AT)

223
Holy Shit this is great
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio

=======

You can simply *tell* a Dad joke. You don't have to pull one.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 16, 2020 03:15 PM (G51Gf)

224 Holy Shit this is great
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February




How does it look from the barrel?

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:15 PM (HALdu)

225 Explain Singapore.

I'm not really sure, it has to be either cultural or religions and cultural.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 03:15 PM (KZzsI)

226 You can simply *tell* a Dad joke. You don't have to pull one.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February




Swing and a miss, again

He doesn't know he

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:16 PM (HALdu)

227 Ok, lap is done.

Now, someone fix the margins.

Patrick...the barrel is too good for you!

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:17 PM (cF8AT)

228 And there are some Private companies there that also need a house cleaning. I worked for Safety Kleen in the 90s and had to help clean up a mess there.

(Yearly corporate site inspections were not done due to remoteness, so after about a 10 year hiatus an announced inspection was done, and everything looked great. About a month later there was a bill to the Headquarters in Elgin, Illinois for about 90 trucks to pick up, drive around the island, and drop off at the same place as pick up. Turns out that the inventory was picked up and driven around while the inspection was going on. The next inspection was about 4 days later. It was unannounced and had Hand cuffs involved.)

Posted by: Picric at February 16, 2020 03:17 PM (nonGu)

229 Hmmmm, it's almost like there is a racial or cultural component in play.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:33 PM (2ygtH)

Race has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. (Corruption and ineptness do not care about your skin pigmentation. The sooner people figure these things out, the better.)

Culture, especially a culture of corruption, DOES, because that is learned and handed down over decades and centuries. It CAN be unlearned, and can be altered while preserving what works. But that as we have seen is not easy.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 16, 2020 03:17 PM (kFLDt)

230 The wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Democrats over this makes it all worth it. Well done President Trump.

Now the race. I still don't like the segment racing stuff. Hopefully the rain will stay away. Most of all, not too many cautions, please guys?

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:18 PM (0zDoP)

231 So, how come Patrick from Ohio hates 'rons reading on smart phones?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 16, 2020 03:18 PM (Dhht7)

232 Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 03:10 PM (dKiJG)

Hey, Patrick from Ohio! You blew the margins.

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:18 PM (ghFVE)

233 Double wide. Uptown!

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 03:18 PM (XxJt1)

234 Two of the first Spanish words I was taught were "propina" and "mordida".
Posted by: creeper

Cervesas

Posted by: Jean at February 16, 2020 03:18 PM (B7KlG)

235 AoSHQ reach around.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 03:19 PM (Hg4NE)

236 You know it never occurred to me that the thing worse than blowing the margins is no knowing you wrecked the margins.

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:19 PM (HALdu)

237 At least I have a 17" laptop.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 16, 2020 03:20 PM (Dhht7)

238 There's an old trick we learned
in typing class. It's the key
at your right little finger
the return key.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 03:20 PM (Hg4NE)

239 Hmmm it's expansive in here

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 03:21 PM (a4qVe)

240 I just want to know how that gets through. Whenever I try to post a link half as long I get the rejection message.

Posted by: mark1971 at February 16, 2020 03:21 PM (xPl2J)

241 238 AoSHQ reach around.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 03:19 PM (Hg4NE)

No, just the assfucking without common courtesy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 16, 2020 03:21 PM (NWiLs)

242 Paywall

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Here's another link.

https://bit.ly/39BWSTa

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:22 PM (+y/Ru)

243 Siesta is a word. So is blowing margins.

Posted by: runner at February 16, 2020 03:23 PM (zr5Kq)

244 Here's another link.

https://bit.ly/39BWSTa
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:22 PM (+y/Ru)
* * * *

Thanks, AWTW!

How's Charlie?

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at February 16, 2020 03:24 PM (WFcrO)

245 Well that's as much NASCAR as I will watch this year. Pretty cool though, I couldn't imagine the dogeater doing anything like that.

Posted by: freaked at February 16, 2020 03:24 PM (Tnijr)

246 your blog is so fat that when it sits around the house, it sits AROUND the house

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 16, 2020 03:24 PM (iTXRQ)

247 Donald Trump Jr. Just posted a pic of a young lady who tweeted earlier from the race her goal was to get Trump to sign her helmet today. He responded "DM me...I may know someone." Then a couple of pics of her, Trump, Melania, Trump Jr., and the girl holding her signed helmet.

Posted by: Biergood at February 16, 2020 03:24 PM (yb6r+)

248 FYI,


in the barrel, "banal" does not mean what you think it does

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:24 PM (HALdu)

249 Now this is really poor form... blowing the margins and then not even sticking around for a cigarette.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 03:25 PM (XxJt1)

250 Patrick from Ohio did a hit and run, looks like!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:25 PM (ghFVE)

251 Thanks, AWTW!

How's Charlie?

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He's good except he's developed a bit of a marking problem.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:25 PM (+y/Ru)

252 *turns tablet to landscape*

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 03:25 PM (XxJt1)

253 It seems to me the only colonies that turned out ok we're under British control. Turn it over to them.

Posted by: Regular joe at February 16, 2020 03:26 PM (6/uwW)

254 Fox Sports is posting little clips of Daytona events, including PDT's laps, now:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/rwyz92l

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:27 PM (ghFVE)

255 Donald Trump Jr. Just posted a pic of a young lady
who tweeted earlier from the race her goal was to get Trump to sign her
helmet today. He responded "DM me...I may know someone." Then a couple
of pics of her, Trump, Melania, Trump Jr., and the girl holding her
signed helmet.

Posted by: Biergood at February 16, 2020 03:24 PM (yb6r+)

Hailie Deegan. She finished second in the ARCA race earlier this week. She will go places if she has the talent. She is likeable, unilke Danica Patrick.

Posted by: mark1971 at February 16, 2020 03:27 PM (xPl2J)

256 Your analysis fails to account for dozens of important factors, including geography, history, religion, education, national identity, population size, integration into trading systems.

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:14 PM (HALdu)

You being argumentative to be argumentative - Colonial Rule did not work out as a factor in many areas - it ought not be given as the sole reason any one area that had it once became success because - oh, I don't know, maybe
"geography, history, religion, education, national identity, population size, integration into trading systems" were more important

so, to quote you, not Colonial Rule.


Posted by: Boswell at February 16, 2020 03:27 PM (32YRo)

257 turn me loose

turn me loose

Posted by: PR at February 16, 2020 03:27 PM (rpxSz)

258 @realDailyWire

President @realDonaldTrump: Gentlemen, start your engines.

https://tinyurl.com/rc78e37

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:28 PM (cF8AT)

259 It seems to me the only colonies that turned out ok we're under British control. Turn it over to them.


Posted by: Regular joe at February 16, 2020 03:26 PM

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Most of the Middle East begs to disagree with that statement.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 16, 2020 03:28 PM (JUOKG)

260 The interesting thing about the British is that while yes, indeed, there are populations that despised British colonial rule, that for the most part, they are not resented as much as you would think. (Hell, in Singapore and Hong Kong the Brits are more or less admired.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 16, 2020 03:28 PM (kFLDt)

261 Shoulda taken typing class with the women. STEM classes were not populated with a lot of women back when I went to school. The Periodic table had 4 elements.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:29 PM (u82oZ)

262 I wonder if the Secret Service told Fox not to comment on how fast the car is going.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 03:29 PM (dKiJG)

263 He's good except he's developed a bit of a marking problem.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:25 PM (+y/Ru)
* * * *

Sorry to hear that. Hope you can get it turned around.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at February 16, 2020 03:29 PM (WFcrO)

264 250 Patrick from Ohio did a hit and run, looks like!
Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:25 PM (ghFVE)

Yes he did it appears.
And it better stop

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 16, 2020 03:31 PM (aA3+G)

265 {cough}..new york...{cough}

Posted by: socalcon at February 16, 2020 03:31 PM (Roy2Z)

266 247 Donald Trump Jr. Just posted a pic of a young lady who tweeted earlier from the race her goal was to get Trump to sign her helmet today. He responded "DM me...I may know someone." Then a couple of pics of her, Trump, Melania, Trump Jr., and the girl holding her signed helmet.

Posted by: Biergood at February 16, 2020 03:24 PM (yb6r+)



https://tinyurl.com/r3rgloo

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:31 PM (cF8AT)

267 Thank you for fixing the margins...

Posted by: Max Power at February 16, 2020 03:31 PM (llxrS)

268 Phew! Thank you, whichever cob shrunk the margins back.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 03:31 PM (XxJt1)

269
turn me loose

turn me loose
Posted by: PR


It always votes to stay. Why wouldn't it?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 03:31 PM (aKsyK)

270 Who's doing the halftime show this year? Michael Feinstein?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 03:32 PM (wc1vX)

271 268 Phew! Thank you, whichever cob shrunk the margins back.
Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 03:31 PM (XxJt1)

Thank Tami for alerting me.

I step away to grab lunch and this happens.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (aA3+G)

272 Thank you, MisHum.
Bad, Patrick from Ohio!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (ghFVE)

273 so tell this new-ish commenter what NOT to do to blow the margins

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (iTXRQ)

274 That's much better, MisHum. My eyeballs were wearing out tracking across the page.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (XxJt1)

275 You being argumentative to be argumentative - Colonial Rule did not work out as a factor in many areas - it ought not be given as the sole reason any one area that had it once became success because - oh, I don't know, maybe
"geography, history, religion, education, national identity, population size, integration into trading systems" were more important

so, to quote you, not Colonial Rule.


Posted by: Boswell at February



First off, you decided to be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, then offered a stupid argument.

see - your initiial comment.


British colonialism is not sufficient in and of itself, it was the code for success. They gave it to them. That they decided to adopt and stay with it afterwards was dependent upon and affected by numerous things.

It was the foundation for success.

Why is this hard for you?

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (HALdu)

276 Mr. Scott

Jorden and Egypt are better, contrasted with Syria (French). There were not a lot of resources for the colonies and mandates they got after WWI. Malaysia, Hong Kong, India and Singapore were colonies for a lot longer.

I would compare India with Brazil for colonial influence, and both are better than the Congo.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (u82oZ)

277 >>It seems to me the only colonies that turned out ok we're under British control. Turn it over to them.

Some of them became unruly and down right uppity.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (ZLI7S)

278 273 so tell this new-ish commenter what NOT to do to blow the margins
Posted by: DB- just DB at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (iTXRQ)

Put spaces between words, so the text can wrap.

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:34 PM (ghFVE)

279 Move the Haitians to Puerto Rico and the Puerto Ricans to Haiti.

Appoint Billy Jeff as overseer of both and let the rapes begin.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 16, 2020 03:34 PM (Z+IKu)

280 Thanks, Tami. My nascent headache is receding.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 03:34 PM (XxJt1)

281 109 not so

The Greenland natives have been crushed by alcoholism and no jobs. The Danes emigrating to Greenland took most of the good jobs.

We were warned that it was against the law to give the migrating "Dog People" candy when I was at Thule.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 16, 2020 03:34 PM (qyH+l)

282 Select French colonies (Ivory Coast probably tops) actually did very very well for a long time - again, because the French hadn't really left. And they (or at least their elites) were integrated with the metropole (independent first generation leaders typically had served in the National Assembly for years). There was a brilliant and hilarious article in the 80s about how the French had never really left West Africa.

Of course that all fell apart. Some places that weren't as good (Burkina Faso, Cameroon) slid further back, Ivory Coast sadly declined greatly.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:35 PM (El6T/)

283 We may think we don't need naval stations in the Caribbean. We are wrong.

But, the thing to remember is that ten minutes after "we" set Puerto Rico "free" on the international market, every other piss-ant wannabe world power will have a naval station in the Caribbean. Same applies to the USVI, and for that matter, Fort Jefferson in the Dry Tortugas.

Big, cute joke, until you actually fly over it once or read the charts of where the channels are ("channel is," for Tortuga). Do you think you don't need the Gulf Coast open to the Atlantic? Ask the Confederates how that worked out.

If you were about to ask about giving away the Panama Canal, go ahead and ask. One of the stupider things this nation ever did. It's part of China now.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at February 16, 2020 03:35 PM (8IOEj)

284 For a telling contrast, try Republic of Botswana, the longest lived democracy in Africa, with excellent score for lack of corruption and growth, with the failures in Swaziland.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:36 PM (u82oZ)

285 f you were about to ask about giving away the Panama Canal, go ahead and ask. One of the stupider things this nation ever did. It's part of China now.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at February 16, 2020 03:35 PM (8IOEj)


Jimmy Carter strikes again.

Posted by: DR.WTF at February 16, 2020 03:36 PM (aS1PU)

286 F the 500. For 20+ years I don't think I missed a race. Now, whatever. Thank god I'm recording this cluster.

START THE F'ING RACE!!!!

And when they do, there'll be a caution on lap 5 and 20 and 30 and 47..........

Posted by: Groundhog at February 16, 2020 03:37 PM (VYwSh)

287 Not a NASCAR follower, but .... wow, Trump & Co. are basically hitting grand slam homers every time they turn around, in terms of political marketing.

So good it makes me laugh.

Of course it helps that 1) he actually does love American culture 2) is a hyper-energetic emotional patriot 3) has helped create and presides over a booming economy whose benefits are more far-reaching (within the society) than most booms have been.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:37 PM (El6T/)

288 >>For a telling contrast, try Republic of Botswana, the longest lived democracy in Africa, with excellent score for lack of corruption and growth, with the failures in Swaziland.

My sister lived in Botswana for a couple years. She loved it.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 03:37 PM (ZLI7S)

289 We closed Naval Station Roosevelt Roads at the PR government's request. And closed an excellent Vieques Island training area also.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (u82oZ)

Closed Ramey AFB on the other end of the island ca 50 years ago.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 16, 2020 03:37 PM (qyH+l)

290 I would compare India with Brazil for colonial influence, and both are better than the Congo.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (u82oZ)

Speaking of the Congo.....

https://tinyurl.com/td8ykmh

Roland strikes again.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 16, 2020 03:38 PM (Z+IKu)

291 Way, Way Downriver a

We have to balance strategic gains with strategic overstretch.

We can not even get a clean Presidential;] election in the US of A. Since 1960.

We have some tending in our own garden first.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:38 PM (u82oZ)

292 Yep, Botswana.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:38 PM (El6T/)

293
Of course it helps that 1) he actually does love American culture 2) is a hyper-energetic emotional patriot 3) has helped create and presides over a booming economy whose benefits are more far-reaching (within the society) than most booms have been.



Trump also understands one thing a lot of (GOP) pols don't:

Kiss your supporters' asses, not your enemies'.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 03:38 PM (wc1vX)

294 PDT talked to the Daytona drivers on an official's radio!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/su2avds

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:38 PM (ghFVE)

295 259 lets do apples to apples: the Carribean. Not all successes, but compare the results to the Spanish, Portugese, French, and goddamned Dutch.

Posted by: Regular joe at February 16, 2020 03:40 PM (6/uwW)

296 If you were about to ask about giving away the Panama Canal, go ahead and ask. One of the stupider things this nation ever did. It's part of China now.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at February 16, 2020 03:35 PM (8IOEj)

It will be replaced by the sea level National Dignity Canal.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 16, 2020 03:40 PM (qyH+l)

297 don't get me started on the Dutch

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 16, 2020 03:40 PM (iTXRQ)

298 If you were about to ask about giving away the Panama Canal, go ahead and ask. One of the stupider things this nation ever did. It's part of China now.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at February 16, 2020 03:35 PM (8IOEj)
* * * *

Totally agree with you on the Panama Canal. We should never have ceded control. China was staking their claim as soon as the U.S. left the air bases. Huge strategic mistake.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at February 16, 2020 03:41 PM (WFcrO)

299 Why is this hard for you?

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:33 PM (HALdu)

You take your handle here and yourself too seriously

And you're basically a knucklehead

Posted by: Boswell at February 16, 2020 03:41 PM (32YRo)

300 Rain. They deserve their fate. Putz around for hours with BS (not PDT) and you get what you get.

Posted by: Groundhog at February 16, 2020 03:42 PM (VYwSh)

301 You take your handle here and yourself too seriously

And you're basically a knucklehead
Posted by: Boswell at February



That's why this is hard for you?

So, not your fault, interesting.

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:42 PM (HALdu)

302 "Fill it up and give it back" - Sen. Sam Hayakawa, on the Panama Canal issue

"We stole it fair and square" - also Sam, I think.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:43 PM (El6T/)

303 https://tinyurl.com/r3rgloo

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:31 PM

Tami, did you see in the comments to Hailie's tweet that Twitter flagged as "includes potentially sensitive content." ?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 16, 2020 03:43 PM (Dhht7)

304 PDT talked to the Daytona drivers on an official's radio!

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Having fun and kicking ass the Trump way.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:44 PM (+y/Ru)

305 We were just in Aruba. While it's a mixture of languages and under the Dutch, people still did their jobs, albeit a bit slowly. We never saw any homeless or panhandlers and we did leave the comforts of our resort. We really loved it there.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 03:44 PM (a4qVe)

306 I live in the disaster zone area from Hurricane Michael. Florida, via Governor Scott and Governor DeSantis, plus the citizens, have made amazing progress in less than a year and a half. If you don't have a strong ethic to help yourself, I don't bl you can ever recover from a major catastrophe.

Posted by: EveR at February 16, 2020 03:44 PM (ZZDMQ)

307 I could t find haileys tweet with the picture.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 03:44 PM (a4qVe)

308 Every once in a while a website comes with blown margins so I try to use the tablet sideways but can only see maybe a paragraph at a time.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 03:45 PM (ZCEU2)

309
It seems to me the only colonies that turned out ok we're under British control. Turn it over to them.

Posted by: Regular joe at February 16, 2020 03:26 PM (6/uwW)



Zimbabwe: What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 16, 2020 03:45 PM (Zy4Mt)

310 Donald Trump Jr. Just posted a pic of a young lady
who tweeted earlier from the race her goal was to get Trump to sign her
helmet today. He responded "DM me...I may know someone." Then a couple
of pics of her, Trump, Melania, Trump Jr., and the girl holding her
signed helmet.



Posted by: Biergood at February 16, 2020 03:24 PM (yb6r+)







https://tinyurl.com/r3rgloo


Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:31 PM

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And twitter is listing it as "sensitive content" because Trump.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 16, 2020 03:45 PM (JUOKG)

311 289 We closed Naval Station Roosevelt Roads at the PR government's request. And closed an excellent Vieques Island training area also.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (u82oZ)

how necessary was it, really? I remember it was a Marine corps bombing range - but everything is going to smart bombs, missiles, drones. It was a training area fit for fighting a Vietnam type war, which we're not going to do again, not in any of our lifetimes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 03:45 PM (V2Yro)

312 how necessary was it, really? I remember it was a Marine corps bombing range - but everything is going to smart bombs, missiles, drones. It was a training area fit for fighting a Vietnam type war, which we're not going to do again, not in any of our lifetimes.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February




It was use by carriers for practice

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:46 PM (HALdu)

313 Rain. They deserve their fate. Putz around for hours with BS (not PDT) and you get what you get.
Posted by: Groundhog

I could certainly do without the thing where they announce the drivers and they walk out on stage to loud crappy music, dancing badly, and holding sponsor product.

Posted by: Biergood at February 16, 2020 03:46 PM (yb6r+)

314 Zimbabwe: What could possibly go wrong?

-
Thank you, Jimmy Carter!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:46 PM (+y/Ru)

315 Tami, did you see in the comments to Hailie's tweet that Twitter flagged as "includes potentially sensitive content." ?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 16, 2020 03:43 PM (Dhht7)

Yes, and people have brought it up in the comments.

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 03:46 PM (cF8AT)

316 >>Zimbabwe: What could possibly go wrong?

Bermuda, Canada and a few other colonies in North America turned out ok.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 03:47 PM (ZLI7S)

317 Nuke it from orbit.

Just to be sure.


Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at February 16, 2020 03:47 PM (ykID5)

318 Spent a week in Aruba (free place to stay), years ago. Windsurfing (turned out to be a bit too powerful, wind-wise, for my level at the time), diving, horsing around.

Ended up eating at one restaurant ..... 3 times.

Peter and Jeannette's. Dutch former math teacher, his Surinamese wife. Indonesian (rijstaffel), with Surinamese twists. Fantastic.

Our group felt funny going their the second time, but by the third, we'd established there was no other "ethnic" place on the island up to our standards.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:47 PM (El6T/)

319 Posted by: Boswell at February 16, 2020 03:27 PM (32YRo)

She was making a funny.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 03:47 PM (Hg4NE)

320 Nuke it from orbit.

Just to be sure.


Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at February



move everybody to one side

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 03:48 PM (HALdu)

321 Vieques was pretty important for NGFS training.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2020 03:49 PM (tT0V4)

322 Jack, I think the case of Canada is being submitted for additional review ..... (tragically).

Of course - since the UK itself has morphed partly into Orwell's dystopian nightmare, Canada following along is kind of "natural", I guess, even with the citadel of freedom next door.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:49 PM (El6T/)

323 CNN And MSNBC Analysts Sign Petition Urging William Barr To Resign

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Well, if both CNN and MSNBC say so . ..

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:49 PM (+y/Ru)

324 It seems to me the only colonies that turned out ok we're under British control. Turn it over to them.

Posted by: Regular joe at February 16, 2020 03:26 PM (6/uwW)

Zimbabwe: What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 16, 2020 03:45 PM (Zy4Mt)

They threw over the excellent English Legal System (which goes hand in hand with government) and went back to pure Kleptocracy.

One of the main themes that Winston Churchill spoke much about, in his later years, is that the English Speaking People had developed an attitude of practical self governance and contempt for corruption that was almost unheard of in world history, and that because of that the Anglosphere was always going to produce the best, most fair, and most prosperous societies on the planet.

that's not a very "woke" point of view these days.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 03:50 PM (V2Yro)

325 Rhomboid was that Madame Jeanettes restaurant?
It's supposed to be one of the best on the island. the area it's in seems sketchy.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 03:50 PM (a4qVe)

326 255:Hailie Deegan. She finished second in the ARCA race earlier this week. She will go places if she has the talent. She is likeable, unilke Danica Patrick.
Posted by: mark1971



If you look at her Twitter feed, you'll see the pic. Twitter deemed it sensitive for viewers so you'll have to click that link so you can view the pic. Twitter is full of sad, miserable people if that pic offends you.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:50 PM (0zDoP)

327 You can't judge the colonies by our standards but by - how were they before and after the Brits.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 03:50 PM (Hg4NE)

328 PR has been a clusterfuck for a long time, thanks in no small part to a former member of FDR's so-called Brains Trust being its governor and entrenching its system of government-run everything.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 16, 2020 03:51 PM (NWiLs)

329 is that the English Speaking People had developed an attitude of practical self governance and contempt for corruption that was almost unheard of in world history,"

Is that the 'acting white' that we always hear about?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2020 03:51 PM (tT0V4)

330 Tom Servo

I aver that the training you got at Vieques Island is still needed today. I could go into reasons, but we have lots some of our edge in Amphib, Surface, NGFS, and Air Strike Ops because the alternatives are less handy.

Well, except for Fallon. They do a great job, now.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:52 PM (u82oZ)

331 Of course - since the UK itself has morphed partly into Orwell's dystopian nightmare, Canada following along is kind of "natural", I guess, even with the citadel of freedom next door.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:49 PM (El6T/)

Canada's problem is that it's a low population country dominated by a handful of big cities, which are just like Northeastern US cities. It's what the Left wants for the US - a US Government which was run only by NYC, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, and San Fran.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 03:52 PM (V2Yro)

332 This "petition" from former DOJ types is darkly hilarious.

After 8 years, then a few more, of the utter politicization and hollowing out of DOJ, capped by the FISA abuse festival, the Mueller outrage and its satellite outrages, *now* they're concerned.

About a probably deliberately provocative stunt by prosecutors who may well have been involved in various kinds of improper conduct? Concerning a nothing case involving no crimes of any importance whatever?

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:53 PM (El6T/)

333 323 CNN And MSNBC Analysts Sign Petition Urging William Barr To Resign

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Well, if both CNN and MSNBC say so . ..
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks



LOLGF!

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:53 PM (0zDoP)

334 Jack you may want to throw in Hong Kong, India, Australia, Malaysia...

Posted by: Regular joe at February 16, 2020 03:53 PM (6/uwW)

335 Never been to Caribbean islands, do the former Dutch possessions still have a connection to Holland?

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 03:53 PM (ZCEU2)

336 333 323 CNN And MSNBC Analysts Sign Petition Urging William Barr To Resign

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Well, if both CNN and MSNBC say so . ..
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks


LOLGF!
Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:53 PM (0zDoP)

Putting the "anal" in "analysts."

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 16, 2020 03:54 PM (NWiLs)

337 Puerto Rico is still very Catholic.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 02:29 PM

So is Venezuela, and all the other central and south American economic basket cases. Means precisely nothing in terms of sustaining a free market economy and the rule of law.Per capita income in PR is far below the poorest U.S. state (Mississippi). The only reason anybody wants to make PR a state is to create another Democratic stronghold. No thanks.


Posted by: Bigsmith at February 16, 2020 03:54 PM (G/mW5)

338 333 323 CNN And MSNBC Analysts Sign Petition Urging William Barr To Resign

-
Well, if both CNN and MSNBC say so . ..
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks


LOLGF!
Posted by: Puddleglum at February 16, 2020 03:53 PM (0zDoP)

Operation Chaos Bernie Bro might work to shut them up!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 03:54 PM (ghFVE)

339 Skip

They sure usta. I think the support is more subtle these days.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 03:55 PM (u82oZ)

340 >>CNN And MSNBC Analysts Sign Petition Urging William Barr To Resign

The seem afraid of Barr for some reason. Odd.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 03:55 PM (ZLI7S)

341 Cheriebebe, I have no idea - could be? Given the time since I was there, would think Peter would have long since retired (he wasn't young then). She was younger, could be her place.

I don't recall any sketchy areas on the island, and we covered most of it.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:56 PM (El6T/)

342 When it comes down to it, Puerto Rico wants the benefits of someone else paying for everything while they do not have to do anything and their leaders grow fat from graft.

They are kind of like a money digging girlfriend who is past her prime.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 16, 2020 03:57 PM (XyVor)

343 San Francisco Mayor Admits to Receiving Thousands of Dollars Worth of "Unreported Gifts"

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The Hell you say!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 03:57 PM (+y/Ru)

344 Skip, I think the ABC islands do. Aruba is still under the Dutch. Things seem very well run there.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 03:58 PM (a4qVe)

345 VIA, good comment, but I would direct our attention to the skin pigmentation of some of the most robustly and thoroughly corrupt places on earth (Belarus, Ukraine, Russia), to point out that people of pallor take 2nd place to nobody when it comes to corruption-capacity.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:58 PM (El6T/)

346 I thought Trump sent disaster relief immediately. Am I misremembering?

I'm assuming the corrupt people appropriated it for themselves.

Posted by: Emmie at February 16, 2020 03:58 PM (87gB3)

347 Cut it loose. (Although I enjoyed my trip to PR 20 plus years ago.)

Make it a state and you have one more state in the Deep Blue column.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V at February 16, 2020 03:59 PM (d6Ksn)

348 She is likeable, unilke Danica Patrick.

I liked Danica and Jessica's Hardee's commercial.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at February 16, 2020 03:59 PM (ykID5)

349 MisHum is the hardest working man in show business !

Posted by: JT at February 16, 2020 03:59 PM (arJlL)

350 I would direct our attention to the skin pigmentation of some of the most robustly and thoroughly corrupt places on earth (Belarus, Ukraine, Russia), to point out that people of pallor take 2nd place to nobody when it comes to corruption-capacity.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 16, 2020 03:58 PM (El6T/)

Let's not forget California and Washington state. Or hell, DC.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 16, 2020 03:59 PM (XyVor)

351 So is Venezuela, and all the other central and south American economic basket cases. Means precisely nothing in terms of sustaining a free market economy and the rule of law.Per capita income in PR is far below the poorest U.S. state (Mississippi). The only reason anybody wants to make PR a state is to create another Democratic stronghold. No thanks."

I agree, I only brought that up because someone compared it to Gaza, and since Gaza is infected with radical Islam, it is absolutely a lost cause. We don't like to admit that the PR's aren't capable of governing themselves, but they aren't, and they never will be. I think we need to govern them with that in mind, and it could be done. I don't like the idea of cutting them loose because they'll just invite someone else, like China, to come in and take over, and we don't need to be handing China prime real estate just off our borders, especially not when we already own it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 04:00 PM (V2Yro)

352 Food thread is nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 16, 2020 04:00 PM (XyVor)

353 MisHum is the hardest working man in show business !
Posted by: JT at February



That's why he is so popular with the ladies,

he always works hard.

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 04:00 PM (HALdu)

354 >>I thought Trump sent disaster relief immediately. Am I misremembering?

Guess who is in charge of straightening out Puerto Rico's finances?

If you said the same woman who was put in Ukraine from 2014 - 2016 to straighten out their's, you win.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 04:00 PM (ZLI7S)

355 63 Captain Obvious, Co. Q, 365th Dog Faced Pony Soldier Bn.

We closed Naval Station Roosevelt Roads at the PR government's request. And closed an excellent Vieques Island training area also.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 02:39 PM (u82oZ)


Not true. They were very much against closing RR. I was involved tangentially in that cluster.

There was a group of developers that wanted to put up a bunch of expensive houses on Vieques, which was part of the only range we had that had the capability for live fire on air, sea, and land. You could set up a full blown amphibious exercise with live fire.

Anyway these developers bought a bunch of politicians in PR and also in the US (looking at you, Al Sharpton) to push the US out of Vieques. Eventually, they prevailed.

This had two effects. One, the remaining training area around RR became nothing special. It no longer had a bombing range or any place to do amphibious landings. Live fire ship-based AA exercises would be constantly interrupted by civilian traffic around Vieques. We had other facilities on the coasts and Hawaii with the same capability.

And two, Congress was irritated. They had been tarred as racists and colonialists by virtually the entire Puerto Rican political class. Congress does not like to be irritated, and there was a rather large outlay of military funding they could zero out without affecting a single US voter.

So Congress decided to close Roosevelt Roads, which had been either the second or third largest industry in PR. The locals howled like stuck pigs. Congress was again called racist, and also vindictive. The Puerto Ricans protested and sang hippie songs and wailed and cried and rended their garments. But in the end it didn't matter because they had no longer had anything to offer.

I do not feel sorry for the Puerto Ricans. They brought this on themselves. We should cut them loose, and after a grace period of, say, five years anyone who stays on the island should have their US citizenship revoked. It was only ever granted by an act of congress and can be removed the same way.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 16, 2020 04:01 PM (wGeit)

356 Nood. Food.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at February 16, 2020 04:01 PM (WFcrO)

357 What we really hate to admit is that Puerto Rico could work very, very well if we had the nerve to treat the entire island as one big plantation.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 04:02 PM (V2Yro)

358 Hurricane Irma struck Puerto Rico in early September 2017. Two weeks
later, on September 20, Hurricane Maria made landfall in the
municipality of Yabucoa



You people really have trouble with subtle hints.

Posted by: God at February 16, 2020 04:03 PM (ykID5)

359 I don't like the idea of cutting them loose because they'll just invite someone else, like China, to come in and take over, and we don't need to be handing China prime real estate just off our borders, especially not when we already own it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 04:00 PM (V2Yro)


Why not give the Chinese a constant drain on the treasury?

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 16, 2020 04:05 PM (wGeit)

360 Ace's liver

Thank you. I thought we told them that RR was not needed if we lost the training areas.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 04:07 PM (u82oZ)

361 360 Ace's liver

Thank you. I thought we told them that RR was not needed if we lost the training areas.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 16, 2020 04:07 PM (u82oZ)


I'm sure they were made aware of the possibility and, for whatever reason, didn't take it seriously.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 16, 2020 04:25 PM (wGeit)

362 I think one of the main reservations about independence for PR was the likelihood of communist intrusion and a new Cuba or Nicaragua forming on the island. And the Democrats have long sought two new left-wing Democrat Senators as they pushed for statehood.

I'd be happy to cut the place loose and let them see what they can do to improve their own lives. Or, in reality, let them see how quickly they can fall apart like the rest of central and south America.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at February 16, 2020 04:27 PM (/bKlZ)

363 China was staking their claim as soon as the U.S. left the air bases.

Oh, it was worse than that. For decades, there had been talk that one day the old canal would be obsolete, and that a new one would have to be built alongside it.
Unbeknownst to us actual US citizens and taxpayers, most of that work had already been done, concealed in the underbrush. When the Chinese took over, most of the new access to US east-coast ports was already there.
Thank you, US taxpayers!There were hearings before both houses of Congress when the giveaway was under consideration, and this information was never made public. "We" would never have stood for it if the extent of the loss had been known.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at February 16, 2020 04:32 PM (8IOEj)

364 I'd be happy to cut the place loose and let them see what they can do to improve their own lives. Or, in reality, let them see how quickly they can fall apart like the rest of central and south America.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at February 16, 2020 04:27 PM (/bKlZ)


Yeah, I wonder what would happen. /sarc

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 04:32 PM (mlxZk)

365 I've been to Disney's private island on a Disney cruise we took. LOL! What nationality is that?

Posted by: Chris M at February 16, 2020 04:37 PM (6XZdO)

366 OK, one more pass and then I give up.

We were willing to make global thermonuclear war to avoid giving the Russians a base 90 miles from Florida. And in 1962, snotnose, that was not the name of a computer game. Actual smoking-ruin world war.

But, snide-assed comments about "cutting PR loose" to teach them a lesson. They would quickly learn the same lesson the Cubans did. And apparently that is fine with everybody. Big joke. Well, at least we don't have beards!

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at February 16, 2020 04:38 PM (8IOEj)

367 You people really have trouble with subtle hints.
Posted by: God at February 16, 2020 04:03 PM (ykID5)

---

Lord, ain't that the truth.

Posted by: SMH at how dense people are at February 16, 2020 04:39 PM (RU4sa)

368 Bermuda, Canada and a few other colonies in North America turned out ok.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 03:47 PM (ZLI7S)

It must be remembered that Canada is not a free country. And its people have completely acquiesced, and indeed demanded, the destruction of their liberty; and therefore they are unfit to be free, and incapable of self-government. (h/t, TX Declaration of Independence, 1836)

(And also with apologies to our Canadian friends who post here. CLEARLY, there are exceptions. But they are consistently outvoted.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 16, 2020 04:43 PM (kFLDt)

369 No, take it over (but not as a state). 100 years ago we tried to switch education to English etc. Time to do it again.

Remove the government, Military government, Keep the tax incentives, Switch education and the official language to English only. Screw international peace corps missions, send all those twits to PR to teach English and hand out diabetes medicine.

In a generation it'd be Florida south. Not that that's awesome, but it'd be an improvement.

It's a lovely island, again except for the people. And even some of the people are nice.



Posted by: Dave at February 16, 2020 05:10 PM (KWYbg)

370 Give it back to Spain.

Posted by: Michael L Blair at February 16, 2020 05:16 PM (yiAMj)

371 This piece is unfair. Puerto Rico's status as a territory puts it outside most of the Constitution and denies its people the kind of control they would have if it were a state. I say make it one and then see if they want to live in it or not.

Posted by: jdgalt at February 16, 2020 05:39 PM (3SFo/)

372 PR has been and prolly will continue as a graft raft for Dc swamp critters.
Failure is a built in feature of the Fed disease.

Posted by: daddycrocodile at February 16, 2020 05:40 PM (JpdPK)

373 "Give them a set amount of money and let them sink or swim on their own" is known as 'reparations'. Do that and you'll have just blasted open the door and the whole opposition to reparations will be destroyed. Plus, and you know this as well as the rest of us, it will NEVER stop at a one-time payment. Who are you trying to kid?

Posted by: IRReverend Sharpton at February 16, 2020 05:40 PM (17+9D)

374 The Bahamas get hit more often than does Puerto Rico and don't seem to be particularly distressed. And no, the Bahamas are not all a wealthy yachting club; there are plenty of locals who are no where near the scale of their advertised clientele. Maybe there's a lesson there?

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at February 16, 2020 05:44 PM (17+9D)

375 Cut them loose. Now. Puerto Rico is a net cost and a source of shitbag immigrants. Cut it loose. We can be friends. We can be allies. But we are not family and never will be.
Good-bye Puerto Rico.

Posted by: Esteban at February 16, 2020 05:54 PM (6bzH1)

376 I cry for you, Puerto Rico.


Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 16, 2020 06:18 PM (3H9h1)

377 AF1 Flyby.

https://youtu.be/dLHz4xK4sHY


Slightly premature 2020 Trump victory lap.

https://youtu.be/HBbrunsOlF8

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 16, 2020 06:23 PM (1CjJc)

378 Cut American citizens "loose"?
No.
But definitely time to acknowledge that the people there cannot manage their own affairs and have a government put in place for them until a new generation of locals can be educated and trained for management.

Posted by: Sam at February 16, 2020 07:38 PM (ohyxL)

379 agree, I only brought that up because someone compared it to Gaza, and since Gaza is infected with radical Islam, it is absolutely a lost cause. We don't like to admit that the PR's aren't capable of governing themselves, but they aren't, and they never will be. I think we need to govern them with that in mind, and it could be done. I don't like the idea of cutting them loose because they'll just invite someone else, like China, to come in and take over, and we don't need to be handing China prime real estate just off our borders, especially not when we already own it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 04:00 PM (V2Yro)




Tom, I agree... which is more or less the reasoning for the current "halfway house" Commonwealth status of PR. I don't believe it is at all clear that either statehood or independence would be better for either the Puerto Ricans or us.

Posted by: Bigsmith at February 16, 2020 07:41 PM (G/mW5)

380 Dump them. And revoke the voting rights of their citizens in the United States if they don't renounce their PR citizenship.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 16, 2020 07:59 PM (gAXBD)

381 >>Skip, I think the ABC islands do. Aruba is still under the Dutch. Things seem very well run there.
Posted by: Cheriebebe

You don't say.

Posted by: Natalee Ann Holloway at February 16, 2020 08:58 PM (2cuLk)

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