Is This The Truck For You?

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(H/T American Digest)


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As many of you know I live in the northern climbs of the great U.S.A. We face snow from the end of October to May. Now, this is not a bitch fest about where I live. I chose to live here and stay here.

One of the items that makes my life here enjoyable is my Chevrolet Z71 4x4 pick up truck. From towing the boat to a nearby lake, hauling lumber from the local lumber yard or plowing the driveway, I love my truck. Sure, it's a V8 and a gas guzzler. It's the American way and there are numerous gas stations, amirite?

But what about the current or future pickup truck owner who wants to make a lifestyle statement? It appears that the new lifestyle choice will be an electric truck. Several manufacurers are getting into the electric truck market.

There’s a pickup war coming, and it’s going to be electric.

Inspired by the success of Tesla’s performance brand, an army of American startups — and one very large legacy automaker — will roll out five battery-powered trucks over the next two years.

Although we’ve seen only prototypes, sketches and teaser photos of the five electric titans — the GMC Hummer EV, Tesla Cybertruck, Rivian R1T, Lordstown Endurance and Bollinger Motors B2 — they look to be big, powerful and defiantly different. And more truck makers may join the battery-power revolution, including an electric F-150 from Ford.


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Recently Tesla introduced a pickup truck. My humble opinion? It looked like a piece of crap and not practical. Now a new EV truck will be hitting the showroom floors in the near future.

Nikola Corporation has unveiled the Badger, the automaker's first electric pickup truck.

It has a maximum range of 600 miles by using its fuel cell — hydrogen — and battery power sources.

Nikola traditionally manufactures electric and hydrogen-powered vehicles for "heavy-duty" use, including semi-trucks, off-roading power sport vehicles, and jet ski-esque watercraft. This is the company's first time entering the soon-to-be crowded electric pickup truck market.

"I have been working on this pickup program for years and believe the market is now ready for something that can handle a full day's worth of work without running out of energy," CEO of Nikola, Trevor Milton, said in a statement.

They are a nice looking vehicle.

Well that certainly is a big boast. I can see the Badger working for an urban weekend warrior who lives in warmer climates. But what about the Wyoming rancher, Minnesota logger and the other hard working and playing truck owners?

What about charging stations? What about the grid improvements that are needed to provide all the juice for these Evs?


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I'll be looking for a "new" truck this summer. My 1998 Chevrolet with 200,000 miles needs to be put to snow plow pasture only. The EV prices aren't frightening. Look at a fully loaded pickup with a motor.

But for me, I'll stick with the internal combustion engine.


Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at 12:15 PM




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1 No weigh

Posted by: REDACTED at February 16, 2020 12:18 PM (rpxSz)

2 Just the periodic reminder that the preferred plural of Prius is Prii.

Posted by: Prii Owners at February 16, 2020 12:19 PM (DMUuz)

3 No EV, just no...

Posted by: browndog at February 16, 2020 12:20 PM (gD6Ka)

4 We are looking at Trucks because we want to tow a camper and we are looking at getting a some type of Diesel Truck and we were impressed that they get good mileage along with better towing depending on what we buy.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 12:21 PM (dKiJG)

5 I want a truck!

Posted by: Grannymimi at February 16, 2020 12:21 PM (u5LFV)

6 Prius...ugh

Posted by: None shall pass at February 16, 2020 12:22 PM (JdcHc)

7 2 Just the periodic reminder that the preferred plural of Prius is Prii.
Posted by: Prii Owners at February 16, 2020 12:19 PM (DMUuz)

I thought it was Prius.

Posted by: Yammato, Admiral, IJN, Commander in Chief. Mobile Striking Force at February 16, 2020 12:22 PM (qyH+l)

8 Have a 4wd F-150 but would love a Raptor version so But in the End

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 12:22 PM (ZCEU2)

9 When I fist saw "Prius" I thought it said "Pious".

Posted by: Grannymimi at February 16, 2020 12:23 PM (u5LFV)

10 I still just want a pony.

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at February 16, 2020 12:23 PM (EgshT)

11 when do I get a nuclear powered car?

Posted by: vmom 2020 at February 16, 2020 12:24 PM (G546f)

12
It has a maximum range of 600 miles by using its fuel cell - hydrogen - and battery power sources.

Just drive down to the hydrogen station and top off.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 12:25 PM (aKsyK)

13 A electric truck will never work imo.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 12:25 PM (ZCEU2)

14 Electric cars would fail today without government subsidies and corporate MPG mandates.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 16, 2020 12:26 PM (Ph5jo)

15 The Army has looked into this, especially during the Obama era. A pure electric pickup will never be anything more than a novelty for local use utility only. The driving engineering trade off is, and always will be, between payload capacity and power storage. It's a no-win trade off.

It might, however, make sense to look at a diesel-electric solution, especially with motor-in-hub electric drive.

Posted by: EndOfPatience at February 16, 2020 12:27 PM (ttfl2)

16 They named it Prius because it is the antidote to Priapism.

Posted by: batterup at February 16, 2020 12:27 PM (K4I9O)

17 The first rule of marketing is understand your customer. I suspect Elon does not know anyone who actually drives a pickup. The crazy a$$ look (notice how similar pickups, even the Japanese ones look.. that's not an accident. The science fiction prop look will not sell except to a few EV groupies)

My daily driver is a 30 year old gas burning Jeep with over 360K miles. And it still goes offroad frequently.

Posted by: jay at February 16, 2020 12:27 PM (Lv3Ws)

18 The same people who by a Tesla for show will buy those trucks.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 12:27 PM (ZCEU2)

19 northern climes

Unless "climbs" is new slang for mountains.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 16, 2020 12:27 PM (Ph5jo)

20 There are Tik Tok memes that use that same format: A bunch of yoots talking about how everyone is different, and don't agree on most things... but everyone agrees that Lele Pons is NOT funny.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:27 PM (hku12)

21 Northern climes; not "climbs".

Please make a note of it.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 16, 2020 12:28 PM (tNuhy)

22
These are what I call "urban pickups". Highly polished and shiny trucks that have never seen a sack of cement or a bale of hay.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 16, 2020 12:28 PM (7rVsF)

23 I like this post. FYI, you might want to say northern climes .

Feel free to delete this post. =)

Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at February 16, 2020 12:28 PM (9acFt)

24 What happened to the GMC hybrid that gave you 120VAX outlets, sort of a rolling genset?

Posted by: Jean at February 16, 2020 12:29 PM (B7KlG)

25 Fuel cell makes more sense than pure battery... but where is the hydrogen station? (Insert Zeppelin crash here). Why not a fuel cell that converts hydrocarbons directly to electricity? We can get that gas anywhere.

Posted by: henry at February 16, 2020 12:30 PM (J3Rfi)

26 How about Northern climb climes?

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 12:31 PM (ZCEU2)

27 These are what I call "urban pickups". Highly polished and shiny trucks that have never seen a sack of cement or a bale of hay.

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All pickup, no cattle.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

28 The first rule of marketing is understand your customer. I suspect Elon does not know anyone who actually drives a pickup. The crazy a$$ look (notice how similar pickups, even the Japanese ones look.. that's not an accident. The science fiction prop look will not sell except to a few EV groupies)

My daily driver is a 30 year old gas burning Jeep with over 360K miles. And it still goes offroad frequently.
Posted by: jay at February 16, 2020 12:27 PM (Lv3Ws)


I suspect Musk DOES know what he's doing.

I hate American auto makers with a passion of a thousand burning suns, and would NEVER buy anything they make.

Ever.

But I'm going to get a pickup reasonably soon.

Right now my options are Toyota and Nissan. Period.

I wouldn't mind seeing some mold-breaking models from somewhere, but I'm not going to be one of the first to buy one. Somebody will though.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:31 PM (hku12)

29 That picture is soooo true.

On a car board I'm a member of - not Prius or even Toyota - there was a Prius owner on there who considered himself somewhat of an evangelical for the Prius and took every opportunity to tell us we bought the wrong car. He was insufferable and was eventually kicked off the board.I told him once I would never buy a Prius because I didn't want to be thought of as the type of person who would own a Prius.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 16, 2020 12:32 PM (TtMOe)

30 sure, my truck use is generally short haul stuff ... I'd be glad to pay $15K for a working electric version, as long as you morons would pony up for the other $55K in real cost. (of course it would be a government tax/debt that would take those 'donations' by force, but don't worry, it is for the greater good)

Posted by: illiniwek at February 16, 2020 12:32 PM (Cus5s)

31 I just got a used 2017 Ford F-150 XL regular cab for bombing around my AO.

3.5 liter V6 Engine and six speed tranny.

Some old Boomer had it and didn't drive it much, only had 8,000 miles on it. When I went to get it, I lifted the hood and the amount of leaves in there was proof the old bastard never even lifted the hood. Otherwise it was clean as a whistle except for the cab.

I cleaned out the stink and filth left behind by the old coot and the truck now smells, drives and runs great.

Takes 5w-20 oil.......weird.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 16, 2020 12:32 PM (Z+IKu)

32 Northern climes; not "climbs".

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And we're back to Nazis.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 16, 2020 12:32 PM (+y/Ru)

33 These are what I call "urban pickups". Highly polished and shiny trucks that have never seen a sack of cement or a bale of hay.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

The sole reason SUVs and pickups outsell other models is the CAFE regulations. People want the biggest car they can afford. That's SUV/pickups now.

Automakers can't make big sedans anymore and still hit the evermore-stringent MPG regs. The SUV/pickup lines have lower CAFE mileage standards.

So we're driving bigger vehicles than we need/want, because regs keep automakers from selling us what we want.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 16, 2020 12:32 PM (Ph5jo)

34 Oh, c'mon. Electric trucks are fashion accessories for urbanites with necrotic soydick and will never be feasible as anything more than a short-haul station wagon that's missing its roof from the B-pillar back.

Unless you incorporate hydrogen fuel cells or some dramatically new power source, the math makes zero sense. But if ALL you ever have to do is haul a few bundles of 2x4s for a few miles so the Paolo can construct the gazebo your lonely and frustrated wife wants (directly before he meets her other womanly demands) it'll be just fine.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at February 16, 2020 12:32 PM (pftYY)

35 My weekend truck is a '97 Dakota wit a Magnum 318.

There's no replacement for cubic displacement.

Wish it had a 360, but it's enough.

Posted by: jsg at February 16, 2020 12:32 PM (Bj1MG)

36 I don't see how one functions in this life without at least one pick-em-up truck!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 16, 2020 12:33 PM (BiNEL)

37 Just the periodic reminder that the preferred plural of Prius is Prii.
Posted by: Prii Owners at February 16, 2020 12:19 PM (DMUuz)

I thought it was Prius.
Posted by: Yammato, Admiral, IJN, Commander in Chief. Mobile Striking Force at February 16, 2020 12:22 PM (qyH+l)


You stay out of this, you're dead.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:33 PM (t+qrx)

38 So when I go fishing tomorrow 120 miles one way from home, and the temps are low teens just how much juice will I need to run it, to start it?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 16, 2020 12:33 PM (aA3+G)

39 I still just want a pony.
Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at February 16, 2020 12:23 PM (EgshT)


I don't want a pickle.

Posted by: Arlo Guthrie at February 16, 2020 12:34 PM (t+qrx)

40 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at February 16, 2020 12:32 PM (pftYY)

So I drove to town and back this morning. No hydrogen stations. 3 gas stations that had 3 grades of gasoline and diesel

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 16, 2020 12:35 PM (aA3+G)

41 My neighbor has a Tesla and when it gets really cold he loses 25-30% of battery power, If you are towing a camper you are going to have to drop whatever you are towing so you can fit into the parking spot to charge your truck.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 12:35 PM (dKiJG)

42
Are these electric pickups going to have smoke generators to imitate the assholes who gun their engines to gas the cars behind them?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 16, 2020 12:36 PM (7rVsF)

43 re 30 yo Jeep notes above. Here in northern climes the government makes sure to bath our daily drivers in salt. At 350,000 miles my 30 yo Jeep developed an uncomfortable flex in the frame. The newerJeeps strike me as tinker toys.

Posted by: henry at February 16, 2020 12:36 PM (J3Rfi)

44 OT, I'm off for a nap, but wanted to share.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/sm8vxsp

Article in local fishwrap about a woman who volunteered at the local VA hospital for almost 50 years.

Posted by: Infidel at February 16, 2020 12:36 PM (MTxDQ)

45 In any 3-5 minute drive where I live I will typically see between 3-5 Teslas. It's unusual to even drive the mile to the gas station and not see one. It's a game at this point, like slug-bug used to be. I see far more Teslas than Prius' which gives you an idea of the insane CA kickbacks on buying a 6 figure car.

And I'd say 1 out of 5 has some uber snotty license plate "grn4gaia" or "sokleen" or similar. Fuck I hate these idiots. Even worse they get their commute lane sticker and free subsidized charging stations.

Posted by: clutch cargo at February 16, 2020 12:38 PM (8B6Ng)

46 If I can't drive it across country to see the grandkids it has no value for me.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at February 16, 2020 12:38 PM (Vf4Y7)

47 Are these electric pickups going to have smoke generators to imitate the assholes who gun their engines to gas the cars behind them?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 16, 2020 12:36 PM (7rVsF)


Artificial diesel smell would be nice too. I just can't get enough of that diesel smell when I'm at a stoplight.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:38 PM (hku12)

48 So I drove to town and back this morning. No hydrogen stations. 3 gas stations that had 3 grades of gasoline and diesel
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 16, 2020 12:35 PM (aA3+G)

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Oh sure. Diesel-electric could well be feasible. Maybe even for pickups as opposed to long-haul. But Douchebag Logic has two iron rules:

1.) It can't be fuelled by petrochemicals.

2.) It can't be fuelled by nuclear power production.

So, Douchebag Logic is impossible.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at February 16, 2020 12:38 PM (pftYY)

49 I had a prius and it was a good commuter car, so good my folks bought one. Colorado Front range, we do not get a whole lot of winter temps, and I'd never recommend for areas that get more months of winter cuz the mpg boost suffered quite a bit on cold days.

And for a pickup? Give me the portable energy storage of diesel or gasoline. I tow a heavy trailer so I think the extra costs of buying and maintaining a diesel were an OK tradeoff. My veterinarian was telling me once most of his clients tell him he should have a diesel. I just looked at him and said "but you hardly ever tow, and you don't have a huge trailer when you do"

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 16, 2020 12:39 PM (n4y+3)

50 Right now my options are Toyota and Nissan. Period.

I wouldn't mind seeing some mold-breaking models from somewhere, but I'm not going to be one of the first to buy one. Somebody will though.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:31 PM

FIFY. Sadly, Nissan quality, particularly Titan, seems very poor right now. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth for the last few years on the forums and car magazines.

If you can hang on for a year or two, Toyota will be refreshing. The Tundra is a bit dated. OTOH, I own one, and am overall satisfied.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:39 PM (DMUuz)

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:39 PM (DMUuz)

52 Hydrogen is a good way to make an electric-powered car. Clean, proven, reliable nuclear fission is used to produce hydrogen. Hydrogen is transported to convenient refueling stations and used to refill the fuel cells. There you go. Electric car.

Shame about the infrastructure. Someone else get on that. I'm just the ideas guy.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:40 PM (t+qrx)

53 Good day MH!

Sent you an email a couple of days ago re Colorado Morondevous

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at February 16, 2020 12:40 PM (/UQ/R)

54 If you get a Tundra, get the 5.7L V8 and the 38 gal. tank.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:40 PM (DMUuz)

55 An electric truck to pull my 30ft horse trailer with 6500lbs of horses in it. I'll be gone before that ever happens.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 16, 2020 12:41 PM (BQEAt)

56 https://tinyurl.com/w5gkypb

Posted by: jollyr at February 16, 2020 12:41 PM (1Ds+X)

57
Shame about the infrastructure. Someone else get on that. I'm just the ideas guy.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:40 PM (t+qrx)


Didn't you give a TED talk about this?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 16, 2020 12:41 PM (7rVsF)

58 Bloomberg forced the NYPD to increase Giuliani's
stop and frisk 6x. If you got found with pot you spent two days getting processed in central processing. This pissed off minority voters and helped give us DiBlasio.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 12:41 PM (8Kudz)

59 Artificial diesel smell would be nice too. I just can't get enough of that diesel smell when I'm at a stoplight.

Posted by: BurtTC


Not to worry. Just get behind me and you'll spend the next 20 minutes going 2 miles, with plentiful stops and long waits, and an exhaust pipe pointed straight back at you.

Posted by: School bus at February 16, 2020 12:42 PM (T6t7i)

60 How energy efficient are electrics when a utility has to burn fuel and then transmit the electricity, and then have it stored in a battery for later use.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 12:43 PM (8Kudz)

61 Are these electric pickups going to have smoke generators to imitate the assholes who gun their engines to gas the cars behind them?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 16, 2020 12:36 PM (7rVsF)

Artificial diesel smell would be nice too. I just can't get enough of that diesel smell when I'm at a stoplight.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:38 PM (hku12)


Spare a thought for the poor 'ettes, who must keep a spare pair of panties in the car in case they're at a stop light and someone revs a truck.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:43 PM (t+qrx)

62 What about charging stations? What about the grid improvements that are needed to provide all the juice for these Evs?

Not to mention, what about truck owners who want to work on their own trucks (i.e. maintenance, oil changes, etc.), not take them into the dealer. The electric vehicle underhood setup is nothing like an internal combustion engine underhood. Unless new owners educate themselves on how an electric vehicle works, they are forced to take their vehicle in to the dealer for maintenance they previously did themselves.

The only reason there is even a push by all the vehicle manufacturers to go electric is because of the government regulations and penalties for MPG and GGE (Greenhouse Gas Emissions). In other words, future automobile design is being pushed by lawyers and former bartenders and radicals. Brilliant...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at February 16, 2020 12:44 PM (Do5/p)

63 I would consider an all-electric vehicle to replace my Cruze Eco commuter-mobile, but I do occasionally take long trips (7 hours each way) and would need another vehicle for those.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 16, 2020 12:44 PM (TtMOe)

64 Hydrogen is a good way to make an electric-powered car. Clean, proven, reliable nuclear fission is used to produce hydrogen. Hydrogen is transported to convenient refueling stations and used to refill the fuel cells. There you go. Electric car.

Shame about the infrastructure. Someone else get on that. I'm just the ideas guy.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:40 PM


The problem is that Hydrogen is a pesky escape artist (being a very small molecule helps), and embrittles metal over time. Coming up with a reliable and safe distribution network will take effort.

Back in the '70s, the materials science folks were working on ceramic 'pebbles' that would sit in the tank and provide storage via enhanced surface area. Over time, the pebbles broke up and got smaller, and more efficient. I haven't seen anything about that over the years.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:44 PM (DMUuz)

65 How energy efficient are electrics when a utility has to burn fuel and then transmit the electricity, and then have it stored in a battery for later use.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 12:43 PM (8Kudz)


You're making the argument for harnessing the clean, reliable atomic power of the future for me here.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:45 PM (t+qrx)

66 Right now my options are Toyota and Nissan. Period.

I wouldn't mind seeing some mold-breaking models from somewhere, but I'm not going to be one of the first to buy one. Somebody will though.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:31 PM

FIFY. Sadly, Nissan quality, particularly Titan, seems very poor right now. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth for the last few years on the forums and car magazines.

If you can hang on for a year or two, Toyota will be refreshing. The Tundra is a bit dated. OTOH, I own one, and am overall satisfied.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:39 PM (DMUuz)


I'm not going big. I don't need big. I'm looking at Frontiers and Tacomas.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:45 PM (hku12)

67
How energy efficient are electrics when a utility has to burn fuel and then transmit the electricity, and then have it stored in a battery for later use.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 12:43 PM (8Kudz)


Douchebag thinking says stuff comes from somewhere. Details are for losers.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 16, 2020 12:45 PM (7rVsF)

68 How energy efficient are electrics when a utility has to burn fuel and then transmit the electricity, and then have it stored in a battery for later use.

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Funniest part is, sanctimonious Leftists demanding we all drive cars powered by the clean coal they demand be banned. Jackasses.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at February 16, 2020 12:45 PM (pftYY)

69 I like my Tacoma. Simple two wheel drive and 110k. Just getting broke in.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 16, 2020 12:46 PM (axyOa)

70 My weekend truck is a '97 Dakota wit a Magnum 318.



There's no replacement for cubic displacement.



Wish it had a 360, but it's enough.

Posted by: jsg


That's close to my weekend truck, a '00 Dakota but with the 5.9/360.
Apparently I don't drive it enough, and had to go to the pick-and-pull last weekend to get a replacement fuel rail, which I just installed yesterday. The friggin squirrels apparently decided to make a home under the 'kota's hood and chewed the crossover tube of the fuel rail (which, naturally, is no longer in production). Thank God for the LKQ pick-and-pulls.

But, humming like a bird again with 224k miles on it.

Now, to find a permanent solution to the friggin tree-rats chewing the hoses under my hood.

Posted by: Seal the deal and let's boogie (nee Oedipus) at February 16, 2020 12:46 PM (N4r5a)

71 Back in the '70s, the materials science folks were working on ceramic 'pebbles' that would sit in the tank and provide storage via enhanced surface area. Over time, the pebbles broke up and got smaller, and more efficient. I haven't seen anything about that over the years.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:44 PM (DMUuz)


I'd honestly assumed this was a semi-solved problem at this point, that hydrogen could be kept in suspension with other materials like you mention, without bleeding out of its container.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:46 PM (t+qrx)

72 Not to worry. Just get behind me and you'll spend the next 20 minutes going 2 miles, with plentiful stops and long waits, and an exhaust pipe pointed straight back at you.
Posted by: School bus at February 16, 2020 12:42 PM (T6t7i)

Yup.....and with all the talk of how fat and lazy kids are today it's time to eliminate skool busing and get all those fat assed kids bicycles to ride to their government indoctrination centers.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM (Z+IKu)

73 An electric truck to pull my 30ft horse trailer with 6500lbs of horses in it. I'll be gone before that ever happens.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 16, 2020 12:41 PM


You could have that today. Torque can be even better than diesel (there's a reason locomotives use diesel/electric motive power).

Getting more than 30 miles down the road before recharging might be problematic, however. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM (DMUuz)

74 Spare a thought for the poor 'ettes, who must keep a spare pair of panties in the car in case they're at a stop light and someone revs a truck.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:43 PM (t+qrx)

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WTF?

Is this a joke?

Posted by: SMH at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM (RU4sa)

75 My truck has to have a V8, 4wd, and hold at least 35 gallons of gas. Any other "features" I can do without.

Posted by: freaked at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM (Tnijr)

76 Diesel hi-lux. Bring them here, and this EV truck stupidity dies.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM (581br)

77 Are these electric pickups going to have smoke generators to imitate the assholes who gun their engines to gas the cars behind them?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 16, 2020 12:36 PM (7rVsF)

Artificial diesel smell would be nice too. I just can't get enough of that diesel smell when I'm at a stoplight.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:38 PM (hku12)

Spare a thought for the poor 'ettes, who must keep a spare pair of panties in the car in case they're at a stop light and someone revs a truck.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:43 PM (t+qrx)


Is that a thing?

My experience is, more often than not, if you pull up to said diesel truck, it's being driven by a chick, or some toothless yokel, driving to spend his Social Security check at Walmart.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM (hku12)

78 The other day I saw a "Cool Prius" -- Nobody Ever sticker on a Prius. I laughed out loud. Have to admire a Prius owner with a sense of humor.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 16, 2020 12:49 PM (NWiLs)

79 Spare a thought for the poor 'ettes, who must keep a spare pair of panties in the car in case they're at a stop light and someone revs a truck.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:43 PM (t+qrx)

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WTF?

Is this a joke?
Posted by: SMH

LOL !!!

Posted by: JT at February 16, 2020 12:50 PM (arJlL)

80 My experience is, more often than not, if you pull up to said diesel truck, it's being driven by a chick, or some toothless yokel, driving to spend his Social Security check at Walmart.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM (hku12)

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In my neck of the woods, they're used in farming operations.

Posted by: SMH at February 16, 2020 12:50 PM (RU4sa)

81 Now, to find a permanent solution to the friggin tree-rats chewing the hoses under my hood.
Posted by: Seal the deal and let's boogie (nee Oedipus) at February 16, 2020 12:46 PM


Once-a-week spraying with a peppermint-oil solution in the corners of the engine compartments has been working for me.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:50 PM (DMUuz)

82 WTF?

Is this a joke?
Posted by: SMH at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM (RU4sa)


...yes? Guys pull up to stops in the summer and rev trucks when girls walk by. Girls are, near as I can tell, not particularly impressed.

Maybe it's a college town thing.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:50 PM (t+qrx)

83 I have a Prius and I love it. Don't care (or evangelize) about protecting the environment or anything....I just drive in the city a lot, between work and taking kids to and from activities, and the mileage is great. Plus, it's small and has a great turn radius, which helps.

If you fold the rear seats down, the storage capacity is also pretty handy. I've hauled several deer from the field in my Prius (wrapped in a tarp to keep blood off the upholstery).

Posted by: Grimaldi at February 16, 2020 12:51 PM (r6oYH)

84 WTF?
Is this a joke?
Posted by: SMH at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM


Calm your mammiform protuberances.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:51 PM (DMUuz)

85 it surprised me to see the battery pack was only 10% degraded after 300,000 miles. (in certain cases, other cases had other problems, more degradation). Still seems pricey, but supposedly maintenance is also much cheaper than exploding fuel in an engine.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 16, 2020 12:51 PM (Cus5s)

86 Also, let's pretend all of the huge technical hurdles were jumped, WITHOUT moving to nuclear, as demanded...

So called renewables are incapable of meeting demand for the foreseeable future, and the massive increase in coal-seam methane emissions will offset reduction of carbon emissions by several times.

If greenhouse gas reduction is your goal, this is fucking retarded.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at February 16, 2020 12:52 PM (pftYY)

87 Just drive down to the hydrogen station and top off.



Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 12:25 PM


Good luck with that, buddy.

Posted by: The Hindenburg at February 16, 2020 12:52 PM (OMsf+)

88 I like my Tacoma. Simple two wheel drive and 110k. Just getting broke in.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 16, 2020 12:46 PM (axyOa)


Pretty sure I'm going to buy used, and it has to have 4wd, otherwise I wouldn't need it. My car does fine on most roads, but I'd like the option of better traction on the rare occasions when I'll need it. And... the main reason I need one, is so I can leave the pavement on weekends.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:53 PM (hku12)

89 Will there be charging stations at wilderness area trailheads?

Posted by: Cosda at February 16, 2020 12:53 PM (O9VW1)

90 I have always wanted a pickup because I'm shallow and pickups look cool. But I don't get how they're practical unless you literally move salt for a living.

I need 4WD. I like to go places where the roads aren't and maybe sand is.

But how do you keep your fishing rods and camping gear secure in a pickup? An SUV does all of the 4WD goodness and lets you lock your shit up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 12:54 PM (gd9RK)

91 I'm not going big. I don't need big. I'm looking at Frontiers and Tacomas.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:45 PM


Tacomas ('Tacos') have had some frame corrosion issues, but there's not nearly the b*tching about them that there is around Nissans in the forums.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:54 PM (DMUuz)

92 42
Are these electric pickups going to have smoke generators to imitate the assholes who gun their engines to gas the cars behind them?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 16, 2020 12:36 PM (7rVsF)

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Nah, just RGB truck nuts.

Posted by: Groundhog at February 16, 2020 12:55 PM (VYwSh)

93 Only truck I ever owned was a beater light pickup I had over 20+ years ago. Leaked just about everything, held together with proverbial chewing gum and baling wire, and would've failed inspection in any state with an inspection requirement. It's nigh unto miraculous I never got into an accident or got stranded.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 16, 2020 12:55 PM (NWiLs)

94 Once-a-week spraying with a peppermint-oil solution in the corners of the engine compartments has been working for me.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere


Thanks. Wife suggested moth balls, but I'm afraid that'll make the passenger compartment smell like an old person's attic, lol. I think I could deal with the peppermint oil smell.

Posted by: Seal the deal and let's boogie (nee Oedipus) at February 16, 2020 12:55 PM (N4r5a)

95 Volkswagen just announced that there will be no pickup in its future, but it has already broken ground on an all-new plant at its Tennessee manufacturing operation. The new plant will be exclusively dedicated to assembling electric vehicles, which VW has determined will be a high-volume product in the USA within a few years. VW has also announced that the current internal combustion engine on the Passat will be the last internal combustion engine it develops. Meanwhile, Volvo has also announced that it will not develop any further internal combustion engines, as it is going all-electric. The European auto companies are either going to be involuntarily exiting the American market if they remain committed to this all-electric nonsense, or they'll need to betray the clerics of The Sustainable Organic Church Of The Carbon Apocalypse - the state religion of Europe.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at February 16, 2020 12:55 PM (d9Cw3)

96 My wife's Kia hybrid just went off warranty and the electric motor went boom. Will cost over $5000 to replace.

Posted by: Cosda at February 16, 2020 12:56 PM (O9VW1)

97 My experience is, more often than not, if you pull up to said diesel truck, it's being driven by a chick, or some toothless yokel, driving to spend his Social Security check at Walmart.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:48 PM (hku12)

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In my neck of the woods, they're used in farming operations.
Posted by: SMH at February 16, 2020 12:50 PM (RU4sa)


Understood. I ain't got nothin' against folks with work trucks.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:56 PM (hku12)

98 Hey, Eris, I missed your comment in the Book Thread about whether The Expanse series of books is recommended.

HIGHLY recommended, I would say. Some of the best Science Fiction I have read. I am impatiently awaiting publication of the 9th and final book in the series. When the date of that pub is revealed, I will go back and re-read the previous 8 before the last. The series is that good.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 16, 2020 12:56 PM (0o2qn)

99 Never not had a truck. First new car was a Ranger, then Nissan Hardbody, then Ram, then Frontier, then back to Ram. Loved them all. The 96 Ram is still on the road. Saw it at Walgreens. Kid driving it said it was approaching 250k.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 12:57 PM (87EdW)

100 53 Good day MH!

Sent you an email a couple of days ago re Colorado Morondevous
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at February 16, 2020 12:40 PM (/UQ/R)

I saw that. I'll get to it.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 16, 2020 12:58 PM (aA3+G)

101 Only truck I ever owned was a beater light pickup I had over 20+ years ago. Leaked just about everything, held together with proverbial chewing gum and baling wire, and would've failed inspection in any state with an inspection requirement. It's nigh unto miraculous I never got into an accident or got stranded.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 16, 2020 12:55 PM (NWiLs)

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LOL. I grew up in a county with no emissions test. I just tied what was left of my dad's Chevy's exhaust system to the chassis with wire coathangers, to prevent it from dragging on the ground and sparking a wildfire.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at February 16, 2020 12:58 PM (pftYY)

102 I think Musk is on the money. It's all about CAFE.

1978/80s when CAFE started kicking in heavy suburban dads bought their wives Suburbans.
The Musk Truck is the new Suburban; it's big, it's beafy, it rides six passengers comfortably, you can put sports gear or even a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed.

It's the new city wagon.

And the price point $40K is competitive.

Me, I'm driving my 150 until it or I drop.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 12:59 PM (Hg4NE)

103 I have a Chevy 3/4 ton crew cab with Duramax diesel and Allison transmission. I always have chains and tow straps aboard for Fords and now for electric "trucks" as well.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 16, 2020 12:59 PM (Um2IM)

104 41 My neighbor has a Tesla and when it gets really cold he loses 25-30% of battery power


Right when you need the heater...which draws on the battery, too.

In a gas engine, the heater is run on waste heat. Doesn't affect mileage at all.

And don't forget about a/c in the summer...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 01:01 PM (wc1vX)

105 91- there's actually a stealth recall for the Taco frame rust issue for certain years.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:02 PM (87EdW)

106 This morning on way to grocery store passed a house with Bernie 2020 sign on front yard, wish I had a tent to go camp next to it and see if they live what they wish.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 01:02 PM (ZCEU2)

107 Will there be charging stations at wilderness area trailheads?

Posted by: Cosda at February 16, 2020 12:53 PM


All your cargo space will be consumed by the solar panels you had to bring along.

Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 01:02 PM (OMsf+)

108 Once-a-week spraying with a peppermint-oil solution in the corners of the engine compartments has been working for me.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:50 PM (DMUuz)


My attic is infested, think I will try it there.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 01:02 PM (Hg4NE)

109 Why is nobody purpose building technicals trucks for the coming unpleasantness? One day picking up groceries, next week leading a neighborhood armed convoy to pick up those last essentials.

Scenario: Beat up diesel trucks (one with amazing sound system and ripping guitar soloist)with armed citizens escort a tanker from burger place to burger place confiscating fryer oil for future conversion.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 16, 2020 01:03 PM (e1mEI)

110 I'm not going big. I don't need big. I'm looking at Frontiers and Tacomas.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 12:45 PM

Tacomas ('Tacos') have had some frame corrosion issues, but there's not nearly the b*tching about them that there is around Nissans in the forums.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 12:54 PM (DMUuz)


I'm generally going by what the "pros" are saying.

As you know, the problem with forums (this place included) is you never know what axe the particular commenter has to grind.

It's like Amazon reviews. If you read enough of them, you can get a consensus, but you can't rely on the occasional one star review, because they might not like the color, or they are using it in a manner that is nothing like what you intend... or, occasionally, they've got a vested interest in promoting a competitor, so they just make stuff up.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:03 PM (hku12)

111 Bander, I'm with you on SUVs. I'm babying a 2003 Durango with 4WD and an iron V8 because it's just so handy. Hauls my boat and locks up like Leavenworth.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:03 PM (XxJt1)

112 Lots of diesel dailies around here- farmers and ranchers. Newer ones require some sort of urine-based fuel additive to meet emissions requirements.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:03 PM (87EdW)

113 Pertinent to electric vehicles from yesterday's This Week In Pictures at Powerline.

https://tinyurl.com/ve2bz3v

Posted by: DR.WTF at February 16, 2020 01:04 PM (aS1PU)

114 Thanks. Wife suggested moth balls, but I'm afraid that'll make the passenger compartment smell like an old person's attic, lol. I think I could deal with the peppermint oil smell.
Posted by: Seal the deal and let's boogie (nee Oedipus) at February 16, 2020 12:55 PM


It slightly smells like candy canes for a day or two outside; haven't ever detected the smell inside.

Here's what I'm using off of Amazon:

Mighty Mint - 16oz Mice Repellent Peppermint Oil - Non Toxic

There's another brand "Colton's" that I might try next (cheaper on a /oz. basis), but so far the Mighty Mint has worked.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 01:04 PM (DMUuz)

115 Thank you so much Mis Hum! You are the best!

And Donnie Two Scoops is in the house!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at February 16, 2020 01:05 PM (/UQ/R)

116 Bander, I'm with you on SUVs.

Posted by: creeper



That's because you're smart and of good moral character. You were surely raised right and are probably good looking.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 01:06 PM (gd9RK)

117 I have always wanted a pickup because I'm shallow and pickups look cool. But I don't get how they're practical unless you literally move salt for a living.

I need 4WD. I like to go places where the roads aren't and maybe sand is.

But how do you keep your fishing rods and camping gear secure in a pickup? An SUV does all of the 4WD goodness and lets you lock your shit up.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 12:54 PM (gd9RK)


Lots of SUVs are just car frames with 4wd and bigger wheels.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:06 PM (hku12)

118 I've owned a Prius and I've owned a 4Runner. Both serve their purposes but the bottom line is they are both outstandingly reliable. I have no need for either application right now, so I've got a Rav4. Which is also outstanding.

Tomorrow I'm taking a rental Camry on a long road trip, which I expect to be role perfect as well.

Yeah, I've been a confirmed Toyota loyalist after years of other brands (and quite a bit of GM junk).

Not wanting to start any fights or anything.

Posted by: Pete Seria at February 16, 2020 01:06 PM (7ZQe3)

119 When AOC was vomiting up the Green New Deal, she said something about getting rid of 99% of the Internal Combustion vehicles. The moment I heard that, I wished there was a real journalist present who would have asked.
"How do I qualify to be in the 1% who gets to keep their IC engine vehicles? I mean, is it a political decision? Money? Will there be a special government department that gets to make the call?
One of the things I would love to see a real journalist do is insist the left defines their terms. Obama said "Hope and Change" but never defined what he meant.
Bloomberg is claiming he will get "It" done without defining what "It" really is.
AOC said 1% got to keep their IC engines, make her define who the 1% is.
The left says the immigration system is 'broken' but never really gives details, only that the solution is open borders.

Posted by: JB1000 at February 16, 2020 01:06 PM (1nz3P)

120 But how do you keep your fishing rods and camping gear secure in a pickup? An SUV does all of the 4WD goodness and lets you lock your shit up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 12:54 PM (gd9RK)


I have a gun rack in my window. I keep two rods there for any fishing emergency. I keep my lures in a flat compartmentalized container.

In my tool box in the back, tools are on the driver's side. On the passenger's side I have a tent, a tarp, a hammock, a pot, flatware, e.t.c and st least 3 days emergency rations. I also have a tough box 63 gallon secured in the bed.

With all this i still have room for the 4 and 8 foot leaders that i use daily and the propane bottle i always haul around.

Posted by: Ex-ex at February 16, 2020 01:06 PM (RU4sa)

121 Posted by: DR.WTF at February 16, 2020 01:04 PM (aS1PU)

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Ha, yea I'll pass. One drunk bastard drops the "pump," and it's curtains for everyone!

I kid, I'm sure they're safetied. But the thought makes me laugh.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at February 16, 2020 01:07 PM (pftYY)

122 Lots of SUVs are just car frames with 4wd and bigger wheels.


No, those are bullshitty crossovers, no matter what they call themselves.

A real SUV is a truck with body on frame and leaf spring suspension.

Nothing with a unibody is a truck or an SUV.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 01:08 PM (gd9RK)

123 Tacoma.

Posted by: WTP at February 16, 2020 01:08 PM (WQfDg)

124 I keep two rods there for any fishing emergency. I keep my lures in a flat compartmentalized container.

...

With all this i still have room for the 4 and 8 foot leaders that i use daily and the propane bottle i always haul around.
Posted by: Ex-ex at February 16, 2020 01:06 PM


Where do you keep the flies you put on the leaders?

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 01:09 PM (DMUuz)

125 Bander, one out of four.


Are you going to the TXMoMe?

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:09 PM (XxJt1)

126 109 Trucks should come with a option turret ring for a Ma Deuce

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 01:10 PM (ZCEU2)

127 CA and NY have already been put on a path to electricity shortfalls. Now what happens when the CAFE rules force use of Pious's

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:10 PM (8Kudz)

128 There's a pickup war coming, and it's going to be electric.

Look for the electric pickups by the side of the road, where they've run out of juice.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:10 PM (7p0Hn)

129 Waiting for the EV truck with backup power - exercise bike in bed with a fan belt tied to a charger.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 16, 2020 01:11 PM (X2ND2)

130 Used Hummer H2s have finally reached my budget, so I got one. Loving it so far. No interest in an electric version.

Posted by: drerbrererd at February 16, 2020 01:11 PM (mZC3Q)

131 An electric vehicle in a MN winter? Sure.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 01:11 PM (wc1vX)

132 127 CA and NY have already been put on a path to electricity shortfalls. Now what happens when the CAFE rules force use of Pious's
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:10 PM (8Kudz)


We'll just need more batteries, that's all. Batteries are the power source of the future, I've been assured.

I'd have posted this sooner, but my cell phone ran out of juice.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:11 PM (7p0Hn)

133 The internal combustion engine stole my childhood.

Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at February 16, 2020 01:12 PM (EgshT)

134 There's a pickup war coming, and it's going to be electric.

Look for the electric pickups by the side of the road, where they've run out of juice.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:10 PM (7p0Hn)


I seem to recall that if one were to run a Prius battery all the way down, the car would brick.

Posted by: DR.WTF at February 16, 2020 01:12 PM (aS1PU)

135 Are you going to the TXMoMe?

If I still have this gig, yes. I'm on double secret probabtion. They like me but there's bureaucracy and things. So yes. Probably.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 01:12 PM (gd9RK)

136 I've owned a Prius and I've owned a 4Runner. Both serve their purposes but the bottom line is they are both outstandingly reliable. I have no need for either application right now, so I've got a Rav4. Which is also outstanding.

Tomorrow I'm taking a rental Camry on a long road trip, which I expect to be role perfect as well.

Yeah, I've been a confirmed Toyota loyalist after years of other brands (and quite a bit of GM junk).

Not wanting to start any fights or anything.
Posted by: Pete Seria at February 16, 2020 01:06 PM (7ZQe3)


I'm on my fourth Honda. Different models, different needs.

I had a Ridgeline, which was perfect for my needs at the time, but right now I don't think it would be the right truck for what I want... an occasional off-roader that can go places my car can't.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:12 PM (hku12)

137 What time is PDJT"s lap around the track?

Posted by: Pete Seria at February 16, 2020 01:13 PM (7ZQe3)

138 @132 The irony! It Berns!

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:13 PM (8Kudz)

139 How many of these new electric Trucks will have a generator in the back to power the batteries?

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 16, 2020 01:13 PM (dKiJG)

140
An electric vehicle in a MN winter? Sure.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles
Plus those in the hinterlands. They really do hate us.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:14 PM (2ygtH)

141 Lots of SUVs are just car frames with 4wd and bigger wheels.

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No, those are bullshitty crossovers, no matter what they call themselves.

A real SUV is a truck with body on frame and leaf spring suspension.

Nothing with a unibody is a truck or an SUV.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 01:08 PM (gd9RK)


And so, the "true" SUVs these days are what?

Jeeps?

Anything else? Cuz I ain't buying no damned Jeep.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:14 PM (hku12)

142 OT. When the hell do you sleep MisHum?

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:14 PM (2ygtH)

143 Electric trucks could be the EVs Waterloo. Most people who own and use trucks seem to put up over 100k before they shop for something new. I think the average car buyer puts 5 years on a car and then goes shopping. Certainly someone who shops EVs wants the latest and greatest. Now, how many charge cycles can an EV battery take in 2020 before it starts it show wear? In a Tesla, the cost of replacement for a battery pack is 10-20 percent of the cost of the vehicle.

Also for Tesla, their hand-finished body work is a bitch to repair. Can you imagine the cost if the repair is being done on an exoskeleton on the Tesla truck instead of just a side or quarter panel? Now that the Model 3 is attracting a lot of new customers we're going to start to see how much body work Tesla shops can really handle.

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at February 16, 2020 01:14 PM (sN9mD)

144 Where do you keep the flies you put on the leaders?

;-)
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 01:09 PM (DMUuz)


Flies? I can't speak to that. I don't know anybody in south Georgia or around here that fly fishes.

Posted by: Ex-ex at February 16, 2020 01:16 PM (RU4sa)

145 Waiting for the EV truck with backup power - exercise bike in bed with a fan belt tied to a charger.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 16, 2020 01:11 PM (X2ND2)


I want the Fred Flintstone option.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:16 PM (hku12)

146 Fox has Daytona at 2:30 Eastern

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:16 PM (8Kudz)

147 131 An electric vehicle in a MN winter? Sure.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 01:11 PM (wc1vX)


I really don't get it. Battery life depends on the loads applied. Turning on the heater will drain the bejesus out of a battery, which of course supplies less power at low temperatures. So how far can you get on a battery charge depends critically on the temperature.

But no problem in a balmy MN winter, right? You miscalculate, you can just sit by the side of the road and catch up on your reading, right?

Another factor: battery performance inevitably degrades over time. Maybe you could've gotten, say, 250 miles out of a charge when the battery was brand new, but now - unbeknownst to you - you can only get 200 miles on a charge, and it's really cold, so maybe you can only get 170 miles, what with the heater and lights on, the low temperature, and degradation of the battery's performance.

But that's not a problem in a MN winter, right?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:17 PM (7p0Hn)

148 by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020

I do here & there

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 16, 2020 01:17 PM (aA3+G)

149 Yabba dabba vroom?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 16, 2020 01:17 PM (X2ND2)

150 Maybe a mast and sails could be carried for emergency on a electric truck.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 01:17 PM (ZCEU2)

151 That's good news, Bander. I'll see you at Ben's.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:17 PM (XxJt1)

152 And so, the "true" SUVs these days are what?


My XTerra is a truck. They don't make them anymore, though, so I hope it never dies. Only 240K on it so far, so no rush.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 01:17 PM (gd9RK)

153 I want the Fred Flintstone option.

It's our only hope.

Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at February 16, 2020 01:18 PM (EgshT)

154 AOC said 1% got to keep their IC engines, make her define who the 1% is.

Posted by: JB1000 at February 16, 2020 01:06 PM (1nz3P)

Not only that, but if we still have a 1% need for these vehicles (say, just for kicks, EMT, Firetrucks, Electric Lineworker vehicles, and the like), how does anyone produce them profitably?

Posted by: April at February 16, 2020 01:19 PM (OX9vb)

155 Air Force One did a flyby of Daytona International Speedway!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/whzcuzf

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:20 PM (ghFVE)

156 Skip! The new wax ring is in. No more trekking through the house to the spare bathroom at 0300.

Though I hadn't noticed it, the old ring gave evidence of wobble. New one is solid as a rock.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:20 PM (XxJt1)

157 133 The internal combustion engine stole my childhood.
Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at February 16, 2020 01:12 PM (EgshT)


Not to mention your training bra.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:20 PM (7p0Hn)

158 We are looking at 6500 pounds Camper, And right now I'm trying to go between either a ram truck or Ford F150 and we want to go diesel anybody here have any thoughts, we plan on going long distances, out west and to Florida.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 16, 2020 01:21 PM (dKiJG)

159 Wobble might have been the clue

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 01:21 PM (ZCEU2)

160 And so, the "true" SUVs these days are what?



Jeeps?



Anything else? Cuz I ain't buying no damned Jeep.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:14 PM


Toyota 4Runner.

Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 01:21 PM (OMsf+)

161 I was watching that there "Mountain Man" show before I cut the cable some years back and Festus or whatever his name was converted his pick up into a wood burning vehicle.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 16, 2020 01:22 PM (Z+IKu)

162
Not only that, but if we still have a 1% need for these vehicles (say, just for kicks, EMT, Firetrucks, Electric Lineworker vehicles, and the like), how does anyone produce them profitably?



Or produce the fuel supply for a 1% market?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 01:22 PM (wc1vX)

163 Melania in a sleeveless dress...for all those interested.

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:22 PM (cF8AT)

164 Creeper - I would suspect the bolts were not tight

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 01:22 PM (ZCEU2)

165 Plus those in the hinterlands. They really do hate us.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:14 PM (2ygtH)


What about people in the cities who run out of juice in the ghetto on a hot summer night?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:22 PM (7p0Hn)

166 Range is important. I'll consider an electric something that will let me cross Oklahoma, stop in Shamrock TX, and recharge in the time it takes for a meal. And AC. And heat.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at February 16, 2020 01:23 PM (C1Lsn)

167 So we're driving bigger vehicles than we need/want, because regs keep automakers from selling us what we want.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 16, 2020 12:32 PM (Ph5jo)

Dude, personally I have always wanted to drive big trucks. When I was 10 years old I wanted either a blue Dodge Ram short bed with KC lights OR a 65 mustang fastback. I don't care about the politics I never wanted a sedan. It's either a truck or a muscle car for me.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:23 PM (a4qVe)

168 Again, it takes watts to do work. Sure, getting around ones fair city is just fine. But, the rest of the planet has to grow your food, move your materials, keep you warm, pump your water, light your life and batteries, wind, solar will not cut it. You'll die. Ummmm, oops, sorry. Please leftists, continue on your merry way, it'll all work out fine.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:23 PM (2ygtH)

169 The concept of profitability is foreign to Communism.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 16, 2020 01:23 PM (X2ND2)

170 m, thanks for that link to the flyover. Too awesome for words.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:23 PM (XxJt1)

171 139 How many of these new electric Trucks will have a generator in the back to power the batteries?
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 16, 2020 01:13 PM (dKiJG)


No generator. Just solar panels. Batteries run down, you just cool your heels for eight hours. Assuming the sun is out. Otherwise, just get comfy because you're going to be there for a while.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:24 PM (7p0Hn)

172 158- my Ram is gas- we have a 23' ultralight TV that weighs 4300. Except for only getting about 12 mph, it does the trick easily, power-wise.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:24 PM (87EdW)

173 155
Air Force One did a flyby of Daytona International Speedway!



https://preview.tinyurl.com/whzcuzf

Posted by: m at February 16,

Heh, tell me our magnificent President had it do a barrel roll!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:25 PM (2ygtH)

174 166 Range is important. I'll consider an electric something that will let me cross Oklahoma, stop in Shamrock TX, and recharge in the time it takes for a meal. And AC. And heat.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at February 16, 2020 01:23 PM (C1Lsn)


Recharging time is a critical flaw. If it takes much longer than gassing up - which it does - electric vehicles will be a niche market only.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (7p0Hn)

175 As someone who actually uses a pickup truck in daily work, hauling lumber, trash, dirt, building materials of all sorts, furniture, etc, etc, I'd be happy if the manufacturers would start making trucks with a real honest-to-goodness 8-foot box again. Unless you special order one, you're pretty much consigned to the used market, and they're beginning to get old and rusty.

The current crop of "trucks" are anything but. Luxurious, high-riding cars with a box the size of a steamer trunk.

Posted by: Bret at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (Wnxq0)

176 Or produce the fuel supply for a 1% market?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 01:22 PM (wc1vX)

But she has an Econ degree, right? LOL

Posted by: April at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (OX9vb)

177 No thank you. I will keep my 7.3 diesel F250.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (pw+jk)

178 It's weird, Skip. I don't recall the commode wobbling before but it must have been because the first thing I noticed about the new installation was how solid it is.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (XxJt1)

179 138 @132 The irony! It Berns!
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:13 PM


Tell us about it.

Posted by: Lithium Batteries for Pete Buttigeg! at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (DMUuz)

180 I have a coworker that bought a Tesla car and he has definitely drunk the koolaid. I'm a truck guy and am unimportant with the Tesla truck despite his glowing recommendations.

I too needed to tow a camper (my parents gave me their old 2003 Dutchman) and went halfway. I sold my 2014 Nissan Frontier (miss it - trouble free very underrated truck) and bought a 2014 Dodge Ecodiesel. Great mileage, but I hate going from a Nissan piece of perfect Engineering to an American made POS that I have to slap parts on every 4 to 6 months. Finally bought a high end OBD scanner. It's a must for American made vehicles
When a check light comes on you can see the code and clear it if its BS. My welcome to the 21st century of owning a truck.

Posted by: The Guy at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (4cEdi)

181 Seriously, what if you run out of electricity in the desert? With a real car you walk 12 miles to town, you're miserable, but you buy a gallon of gas and maybe someone gives you a ride back out there. Gas in the tank, vrooom!

You run out of juice, you walk 12 desert miles to town, and now what? A can of electricity?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (gd9RK)

182 I swear I am going to make a bumper sticker that says:

"Coal/Oil-Fired Electric"

And start dropping by Tesla charging stations with them.

Seriously, you walkers, DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW ELECTRICITY IS GENERATED!?!?!

Posted by: Sharkman at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (0o2qn)

183 Little bit longer video of AF1 arriving at Daytona...

https://tinyurl.com/rxnaxku

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (cF8AT)

184 Ford Explorer used to be real SUV but I think they unibodied them around 2013 or so.

Posted by: kallisto at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (71bXH)

185 Air Force One did a flyby of Daytona International Speedway!


https://preview.tinyurl.com/whzcuzf



Posted by: m at February 16,
----
Heh, tell me our magnificent President had it do a barrel roll!


Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:25 PM


Has Trump taken the lap in The Beast yet?

https://tinyurl.com/un6986s

Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 01:27 PM (OMsf+)

186 Ford has partnered with another all-electric pickup-truck manufacturer. Your concerns about the paucity of charging stations, cold-weather battery life, RANGE on ONE charge (particularly if plowing snow or towing more than 1K lbs.) are well-placed.
But the single most significant question is that of the charging-station infrastructure. Until that's resolved, the only use for EV's will be for "in-town" shopping, theater, grand-kids, etc. IOW, they will be very nice golf-carts......although the Chevy Bolt sedan looks awful and has all the comfort of a Willys GP.

Posted by: dad29 at February 16, 2020 01:27 PM (5QjOf)

187 Unimportant = Unimpressed.

Posted by: The Guy at February 16, 2020 01:27 PM (4cEdi)

188
161 I was watching that there "Mountain Man" show before I cut the cable some years back and Festus or whatever his name was converted his pick up into a wood burning vehicle.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 16, 2020 01:22 PM (Z+IKu)

We were watching some old Disney Movie and the Truck was coal powered and the movie was ONE IF OUR DINOSAURS IS MISSING. Very problematic movie since the Chicoms are the bad guys

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 16, 2020 01:27 PM (dKiJG)

189 183 Little bit longer video of AF1 arriving at Daytona...

https://tinyurl.com/rxnaxku
Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (cF8AT)

Wow!!!!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:28 PM (ghFVE)

190 A bonus question: where is all this electricity going to come from?

(Anybody who says "batteries" gets smacked upside the head.)

We already have a problem with brownouts and such, and at least here in the People's Republic, they're shutting down power plants, while encouraging greater use of electricity. It's those clever liberals at it again.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:28 PM (7p0Hn)

191 It's either a truck or a muscle car for me.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:23 PM (a4qVe)

===
The healing power of "and."
Use it.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 16, 2020 01:28 PM (pw+jk)

192 You run out of juice, you walk 12 desert miles to town, and now what? A can of electricity?

Posted by: Bandersnatch


Gonna be a lot of EVs towed by ICEs!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:28 PM (2ygtH)

193 I don't know if you can roll a 747 but Robert Vesco's pilot rolled his 707 once.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:28 PM (XxJt1)

194 I was watching that there "Mountain Man" show before I cut the cable some years back and Festus or whatever his name was converted his pick up into a wood burning vehicle.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy a

Eustace, Festus is Gunsmoke.

Posted by: Infidel at February 16, 2020 01:29 PM (MTxDQ)

195 167 Cheriebebe, same here. Trucks or SUVs (no interest in muscle cars).

Maybe because Dad always drove a truck? All the sexiest boys drove trucks? Who cares why?

The other reason is, I commute to town from the country, and I like to have a chance against the deer.

Posted by: April at February 16, 2020 01:29 PM (OX9vb)

196 If they can come up with a really quick charging system, maybe dealerships will have them like they used to have gas pumps.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at February 16, 2020 01:29 PM (C1Lsn)

197 I think a possible solution to the refueling issue is standardized, removable cells. Then it's just a swap- but there are a host of related issues with that, too.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:30 PM (87EdW)

198 Eustace, Festus is Gunsmoke.
Posted by: Infidel at February 16, 2020 01:29 PM (MTxDQ)

Yeah that's him.....Eustace.

He seemed like a real nice guy.

Thanks Infidel!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 16, 2020 01:30 PM (Z+IKu)

199 185 Has Trump taken the lap in The Beast yet?

https://tinyurl.com/un6986s
Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 01:27 PM (OMsf+)

Nope. Just landed at the airport a little while ago.
I'm trying to find a good online site for watching this.

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:30 PM (ghFVE)

200 ErinMPerrine

Wow. Listen to that crowd!

https://tinyurl.com/wmfw225

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:30 PM (cF8AT)

201 I have a theory that the success of free market economies is getting people who are smart (120 ish IQs) in positions to make decisions with incentives for success. Nice to have geniuses, but you can copy their work product. With smart people freely but competitively in charge, everything tens to work well

If you're smart, life sucks in a Commie society, you go through life frustrated or worse. Unless you join the party and make your goal in life the oppression of others. If you're not so smart you're a dumb cow and go along with the program

It sucks to be in a country where the average IQ is 80 -- and there are many -- because nothing will ever get done right

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:31 PM (8Kudz)

202 What time is PDJT"s lap around the track?

If I had DJT money, I'd secretly have a replica built with a fiberglass body, a 700 HP engine, and race tires tucked into the wheel wells and hidden with fake wheel covers. Then have a real driver bring it out on the track doing 60 MPH for a lap and then suddenly wick it up to 160 for four or five laps. It'd probably cost a $1M for a ten minute prank but you know the car would go directly to the NASCAR HoF with Trump's name and picture. Would be worth every cent for the PR.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at February 16, 2020 01:31 PM (qc+VF)

203 I think Power Line has a photo of a charging station with a bunch of chargers. And the whole lot was flooded. That could get sticky

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 16, 2020 01:31 PM (X2ND2)

204
What about people in the cities who run out of juice in the ghetto on a hot summer night?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


How does one make an electric Molotov cocktail?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 01:31 PM (aKsyK)

205 A bonus question: where is all this electricity going to come from?

(Anybody who says "batteries" gets smacked upside the head.)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:28 PM


Duh! Petting cats on clear winter days. It's static science!

Posted by: Brattleboro Wymyn's & Feline Health Coöperative at February 16, 2020 01:32 PM (DMUuz)

206 The thing about electric cars is when the battery is out of charge, you still have the weight of the battery.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 16, 2020 01:32 PM (pw+jk)

207 I guess this livestream will work, in about an hour? But there's (obviously!) some good pre-race stuff to watch.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1231750

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:32 PM (ghFVE)

208 Seriously, you walkers, DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW ELECTRICITY IS GENERATED!?!?!
Posted by: Sharkman at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (0o2qn)


Seriously? I think a lot of people do not, especially on the distaff side. They really think electricity comes from outlets, and that's as far as they go.

How many humanities majors have any conception of power generation and distribution? My guess? Precious few. I bet most of them never think about it.

I (very briefly) dated a gal who wondered aloud how incandescent light bulbs and air conditioners worked. She was probably trying to inflate my male ego by playing dumb, but all she succeeded in doing was making me think of how dumb our kids might be.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:32 PM (7p0Hn)

209 We already have a problem with brownouts and such,
and at least here in the People's Republic, they're shutting down power
plants, while encouraging greater use of electricity. It's those clever
liberals at it again.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

We were just told because Washington has so many dams, we'll be just fine. Well, good luck supplying 100% of power with 20% capacity. PLUS! Our idiots want to REMOVE dams. THAT level of stupid can't be natural, it must be learned!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:32 PM (2ygtH)

210 It sucks to be in a country where the average IQ is 80 -- and there are many -- because nothing will ever get done right





Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:31 PM (8Kudz)

===
And that is going down every year due to illegals and refugees.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 16, 2020 01:33 PM (pw+jk)

211 Nobody buys an electric truck because they want a work vehicle or something to haul things in. They buy it because they want a truck-shaped car.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 01:33 PM (KZzsI)

212 What about people in the cities who run out of juice in the ghetto on a hot summer night?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

How does one make an electric Molotov cocktail?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 01:31 PM (aKsyK)


I'm sure the locals will be happy to show one.

Actually, under those circumstances, you'd definitely need the Ma Deuce option on your vehicle.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:33 PM (7p0Hn)

213 Seriously, what if you run out of electricity in the desert? With a real car you walk 12 miles to town, you're miserable, but you buy a gallon of gas and maybe someone gives you a ride back out there. Gas in the tank, vrooom!

You run out of juice, you walk 12 desert miles to town, and now what? A can of electricity?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (gd9RK)


Serious question, and of course feel free to tell me I'm an idiot if this is an idiotic question, but....

Could drones potentially be the answer? Sending a drone with enough electrical juice to charge a stranded vehicle?

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:33 PM (hku12)

214 The Democrats in Washington State (and the governor of Oregon) are calling for several hydroelectric power plants along the Snake River to be shut down.

Because fewer power plants is good, apparently.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 01:34 PM (KZzsI)

215 193 I don't know if you can roll a 747 but Robert Vesco's pilot rolled his 707 once.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:28 PM (XxJt1)


There's a video of the original exhibition of the 707, (Seattle?) Big deal fly over with folks all along the river and the pilot does a barrel roll.

Beautiful.

Conference with the boss, not so much.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 01:34 PM (Hg4NE)

216 Our idiots want to REMOVE dams. THAT level of stupid can't be natural, it must be learned!


That's because dams are evil.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, on behalf of the salmon at February 16, 2020 01:35 PM (gd9RK)

217 April, I grew up in Chicago but imma country girl at heart. I want a big truck or a super fast muscle car to burn up the back roads. I've lived in rural America. I *fly low* on a country road

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:35 PM (a4qVe)

218 We were just told because Washington has so many dams, we'll be just fine. Well, good luck supplying 100% of power with 20% capacity. PLUS! Our idiots want to REMOVE dams. THAT level of stupid can't be natural, it must be learned!
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:32 PM (2ygtH)


IIRC, California is already removing dams, so that the guppies and other fish can romp and play.

Once again, California leads the way! Right behind Venezuela.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:35 PM (7p0Hn)

219 Electric cars are "positional goods." They are bought not for utility primarily, but for the message it sends to others.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:35 PM (87EdW)

220 Has anyone converted a Prius to propane/electric

Posted by: Jean at February 16, 2020 01:35 PM (B7KlG)

221 We were just told because Washington has so many
dams, we'll be just fine. Well, good luck supplying 100% of power with
20% capacity. PLUS! Our idiots want to REMOVE dams. THAT level of stupid
can't be natural, it must be learned!


Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:32 PM (2ygtH)

===
I tried to explain to a very, very smart leftist that hydro power was the only effective solar power. He called me stupid and went off in a huff.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 16, 2020 01:35 PM (pw+jk)

222 Erin Perrine, again:

The Beast is on the track!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/vgy7gdq

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:36 PM (ghFVE)

223

181 Seriously, what if you run out of electricity in the desert?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (gd9RK)

You send a flatbed out to get it or you bury it there. Those are the only two options.

Posted by: drerbrererd at February 16, 2020 01:36 PM (mZC3Q)

224 Right now, a good name for an electric truck would be the Mk 1 GBGC (great big golf cart).

Posted by: bill in arkansas at February 16, 2020 01:36 PM (C1Lsn)

225 Could drones potentially be the answer? Sending a drone with enough electrical juice to charge a stranded vehicle?

Have to be a pretty hefty drone to carry that much extra electricity. But it could work (would also work for gasoline)

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM (KZzsI)

226 Isn't Nascar on FS1?

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM (cF8AT)

227 My neighbor drove from Columbus to Orlando in their Tesla and it only cost him 10.00 dollars because most of the charging stations were free and it took him 30 minutes per charge and the Car Directed him to the Charging stations and then let him know he could stop charging and directed him to the next one

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM (dKiJG)

228 Iowahawk's got nothing on Daytona! I'm stunned.

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM (ghFVE)

229 AOC has a BU degree in International Economics, which is multiple courses in how oppressor countries fuck over the third world. Like how the USA fucked over Venezuela. She was never going to be a FX trader

But tits. Won her the audition

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM (8Kudz)

230 Electric cars are "positional goods." They are bought not for utility primarily, but for the message it sends to others.
Posted by: Farmer Bob

So my .50 is a positional good, I thought position refered to a place, as in: OP, alternate fighting position, etc.

Posted by: Jean at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM (B7KlG)

231 Braenyard, was that barrel roll not on the menu?

Vesco's pilot did it when Vesco sold the airplane...a last flight "Good-bye".

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM (XxJt1)

232 Iowahawk's got nothing on Daytona! I'm stunned.

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM


I'm not.

Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 01:38 PM (OMsf+)

233 228 Iowahawk's got nothing on Daytona! I'm stunned.

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM (ghFVE)

Isn't he a NT-er?

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:38 PM (cF8AT)

234 Seriously, you [bwalkers, DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW ELECTRICITY IS GENERATED!?!?!
Posted by: Sharkman at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM


Begun the Nightcrawler/Daywalker Wars have.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 01:38 PM (DMUuz)

235 I think a recharging drone would probably run into the same issues that make battery powered aircraft super difficult. Energy density being the main issue. Can never get enough power for weight to achieve lift for a sustained period. And, as a charging platform, none of that stored energy would be available for flight.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:38 PM (87EdW)

236 I doubt this video is real but it claims to be a Virgin Atlantic 747 doing an aileron roll.

https://youtu.be/yi0_u_WaPWk

Posted by: Sharkman at February 16, 2020 01:38 PM (0o2qn)

237 Here in the belly of the non NASCAR world, it's on FOX

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:38 PM (8Kudz)

238 Could drones potentially be the answer? Sending a drone with enough electrical juice to charge a stranded vehicle?



Have to be a pretty hefty drone to carry that much extra electricity. But it could work (would also work for gasoline)

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 01:37 PM (KZzsI)

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Work much better and have an extended range for gasoline as the return trip you would have a much lighter load.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 16, 2020 01:39 PM (pw+jk)

239 213 Seriously, what if you run out of electricity in the desert? ...


Camping somewhere there's a sign saying - you are 120 miles from the closest medical facility and 80 miles from the closest tow truck. We are not responsible for you. Be careful.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 01:39 PM (Hg4NE)

240 237 Here in the belly of the non NASCAR world, it's on FOX

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:38 PM (8Kudz)

Ah, you're right. Thanks!

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:39 PM (cF8AT)

241 just got home and saw that "The End" is playing on MGM (a cable channel) It's always surprised me that this movie isn't more well known or shown often, since I think this is probably the funniest movie that Burt Reynolds and Dom Deluise ever did together. If you've never seen it, you should!

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 01:39 PM (V2Yro)

242 I (very briefly) dated a gal who wondered aloud how incandescent light bulbs and air conditioners worked. She was probably trying to inflate my male ego by playing dumb, but all she succeeded in doing was making me think of how dumb our kids might be.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:32 PM (7p0Hn)


Omagosh no, man. I think you seriously missed out there.

She's not that dumb, but she wanted to see if you passed the man test.

What is the man test?

Any time she asks you something, even if it's something like how to catch and kill a mouse, or move a heavy object, or fix something. How you react... if there's ANY hesitation on your part, you failed the man test.

I have on occasion, failed said test. Not because I couldn't so something, but because I was on the wrong side of the equation. My thought was, "you ain't puttin' out, honey, I ain't doin' that for you. I'm not your chump."

Her thought, of course, was "I ain't puttin' out until you prove your manliness."

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM (hku12)

243 motor-in-hub electric drive.

Why increase the un-sprung weight and expose the motor/s to more shock and road salt?

Diesel-electric

They're making 9 and 10 speed transmissions nowadays. Generator/motor transmission e.g. locomotives make sense for trains where your pulling thru long stretches of time that might not be at ideal rev's for your prime mover.

Posted by: DaveA at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM (FhXTo)

244 Electric cars are "positional goods." They are bought not for utility primarily, but for the message it sends to others.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:35 PM


In Austin, one amplifies the positional through the application of one or more Beto stickers.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM (DMUuz)

245 219 Electric cars are "positional goods." They are bought not for utility primarily, but for the message it sends to others.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:35 PM (87EdW)


They could just put signs on their cars that read "I'm an a-hole with more money than sense."

Same message, pretty much.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM (7p0Hn)

246 219. That's what I'm thinking. Just can't wait to see which 'woke' builder mandates an all EV truck fleet to gain Greta cred with the Wine Moms.

Posted by: kallisto at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM (71bXH)

247 I kinda think Melania should wear a pair of Daisy Dukes, a gingham off the shoulder top and her ever present Christian Louboutins for the flag drop.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:41 PM (a4qVe)

248 There are E85 and propane Prius conversions out there

Posted by: Jean at February 16, 2020 01:41 PM (B7KlG)

249 "They are a nice looking vehicle".
What the fuck is this shit? Are we British all of a sudden or just elite cocksuckers? And don't fucking start with the Merriam-Webster alternate form bullshit either goddammit.
"They are nice looking vehicles" or "It is a nice looking vehicle". Agreement motherfuckers. Agreement.

Posted by: E. B. White at February 16, 2020 01:41 PM (AsjQP)

250 Trump the showman!
AF 1 flyover at Daytona.
The donkeys are in AAA league and Trump is in the show.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 16, 2020 01:42 PM (pw+jk)

251 I want to be chauffeured around in The Beast while you lot pay for it.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 01:42 PM (ZLI7S)

252 Sharkman, that's fake. Beyond the folly of rolling a 747, no one in her right mind would do it at two hundred feet.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:42 PM (XxJt1)

253 They could just put signs on their cars that read "I'm an a-hole with more money than sense."

Same message, pretty much.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM


I still have some stickers and lawn signs ...

Posted by: Beto at February 16, 2020 01:42 PM (DMUuz)

254 Ooooo. Lookie here! Shiny new thing.
Revolution, is it? Well it ain't gonna revolve too much if the power goes out now is it Edison?
And what about the nasty disposal trouble and the increase in power grid consumption? No plan for either?

Posted by: Dan Patterson at February 16, 2020 01:43 PM (AsjQP)

255 Whats the temperature in Daytona?

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 01:43 PM (ZCEU2)

256 I would like to see more experimentation done on diesel/electric though, its worked brilliantly for trains for like 80 years now. Seems like that would work great for a semi.

Or a mini nuke but nobody will ever let that happen.

Electric cars are "positional goods." They are bought not for utility primarily, but for the message it sends to others.

If I lived in town and had a job in town, and enough money for like 3 cars, I would get a little electric car for commuting to work and back. That's pretty much the only circumstance I can imagine them being useful.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 01:43 PM (KZzsI)

257 Bad as ObamaCare was, his Energy bill was worse. It passed the House, but died in the Senate

At the time of the House vote,there was not a single copy of the final bill in Congress. Minions were still sticking in crazy things

Had it passed we would have been thrown into a deep D depression while we retrofitted for a Green New World

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:44 PM (8Kudz)

258 Patrick, how much longer did it take him to get there?

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:44 PM (a4qVe)

259 I hope to be surprised. I can't see the Beast with tinted windows being toddled around the track while we're told PDT is inside as being exciting.

I want him at the wheel of a ceremonial Shelby or at the very least in an open roofed JFK-mobile. I'm pretty sure the SS has kept Mannlicher-Carcanos out of the stadium.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, on behalf of the salmon at February 16, 2020 01:44 PM (gd9RK)

260 Holy crap Bloomberg ads on fox are frequent and heinous.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:45 PM (a4qVe)

261 I think a recharging drone would probably run into the same issues that make battery powered aircraft super difficult. Energy density being the main issue. Can never get enough power for weight to achieve lift for a sustained period. And, as a charging platform, none of that stored energy would be available for flight.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:38 PM (87EdW)


Ok, so it was a dumb question, and thanks for answering it without saying so.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:45 PM (hku12)

262 250 Trump the showman!
AF 1 flyover at Daytona.
The donkeys are in AAA league and Trump is in the show.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 16, 2020 01:42 PM (pw+jk)

And then he's going to take a "Victory Lap"! And speak from "Victory Lane" at Daytona!

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:46 PM (ghFVE)

263 You put out once and then you say, "There's more where that came from but first you will hang these shelves."

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:46 PM (XxJt1)

264 Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM (hku12)

Ever the pedogogue, I did explain how they worked, but she's convinced me she really didn't know, and I couldn't shake the image of sitting around a dinner table with her and a couple of kids who were dullards.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:46 PM (7p0Hn)

265 And then he's going to take a "Victory Lap"! And speak from "Victory Lane" at Daytona!
Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:46 PM (ghFVE)


I'm ripped on Victory Gin!

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 01:46 PM (t+qrx)

266
Holy crap Bloomberg ads on fox are frequent and heinous.

Posted by: Cheriebebe
I just laugh when they come on. Keep spending that money short round, keep sharing that wealth!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:47 PM (2ygtH)

267 Now I am on a mission to find a real video of a 747 rolling.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 16, 2020 01:48 PM (0o2qn)

268 Ok, so it was a dumb question, and thanks for answering it without saying so.

No, I think it could be done but its going to have to be a huge drone like one of those Air Force ones that circle the globe. Big enough that it can carry the weight of all those extra batteries its not tapping into and make the run. Which would cost a crapload to build and maintain. Probably not worth the expense to charge your stuck Chevy Leaf.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 01:48 PM (KZzsI)

269 Speaking of Prius.

I don't own one.

But there is a parking spot at my garden club bank that is "reserved for low-emitting vehicles."
I go out of my way to park there every time I go.

Sue me.

Posted by: Ladyl at February 16, 2020 01:49 PM (TdMsT)

270 I just laugh when they come on. Keep spending that money short round, keep sharing that wealth!
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:47 PM (2ygtH)

Well there is that. He is such an exhausting insufferable prick.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:49 PM (a4qVe)

271 This looks like it'll be a livestream starting in 10 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6_H6NjiIMk

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:50 PM (ghFVE)

272 I want to be chauffeured around in The Beast while you lot pay for it.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 01:42 PM (ZLI7S)
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Hey everybody, JackStraw is running for president! You heard it here first.

You need a campaign manager. I can't do it because I plan to be in charge of bimbo eruptions and I understand that will be a full-time job.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:50 PM (/669Q)

273 Here's another thing about electric vehicles: wouldn't they kind of dangerous to work on?

I mean, if you a short in the electrical system of a gas-powered car, no problem, you can just track it down.

But if you a short in an EV, you could get fried if the short makes the chassis hot. I don't know the voltage and current of an EV battery, but it HAS to be substantial to power the motor moving the vehicle.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:50 PM (7p0Hn)

274 I haven't the foggiest what NASCAR is but I approve this message!

Posted by: Little Mikey Bloomberg at February 16, 2020 01:50 PM (EgshT)

275 Well there is that. He is such an exhausting insufferable prick.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:49 PM (a4qVe)


He sure is.

Posted by: Ladyl at February 16, 2020 01:50 PM (TdMsT)

276 Got a new car a couple of weeks ago and went looking for WeatherTechs for the front. Happened on some knock-offs that were half the price and had excellent reviews. Took a chance, and I'm happy to say that they are terrific. Fit perfectly too, just as WTs.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 16, 2020 01:51 PM (sGotD)

277 Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM (hku12)

Ever the pedogogue, I did explain how they worked, but she's convinced me she really didn't know, and I couldn't shake the image of sitting around a dinner table with her and a couple of kids who were dullards.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 01:46 PM (7p0Hn)


Well, that's unfortunate for her.

That's my thing though, I think it's perfectly fine if someone doesn't understand something, and says so, but then if you go to the trouble to explain it (presuming you aren't using overly technical language), then at least have the courtesy to sit through a short educational description.

If you can't be bothered to at least feign interest (and demonstrate some grasp of what is being explained), then yeah, you might not be good for much.

At least not for the long haul.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:51 PM (hku12)

278 Sharkman, that's fake. Beyond the folly of rolling a 747, no one in her right mind would do it at two hundred feet.


Much less coming into an airport.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 01:52 PM (wc1vX)

279 Good afternoon LadyL, hope you're doing well!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:52 PM (a4qVe)

280 I wonder if Harry and Meghan are at Daytona.

Much snark.

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 01:52 PM (ghFVE)

281 ot a new car a couple of weeks ago and went looking for WeatherTechs for the front. Happened on some knock-offs that were half the price and had excellent reviews. Took a chance, and I'm happy to say that they are terrific. Fit perfectly too, just as WTs.

Posted by: IrishEi

What is the name of the knockoffs?

Posted by: Bruce at February 16, 2020 01:53 PM (vd8XM)

282 Hey, Eris, I missed your comment in the Book Thread about whether The Expanse series of books is recommended.



HIGHLY recommended,


Ditto. The TV series is very well done also. There are scenes where they pull off a chapters worth of back-story/pain with a look.

Posted by: DaveA at February 16, 2020 01:53 PM (FhXTo)

283 Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 01:39 PM (V2Yro)


"I've found a new way to lose weight'.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 01:53 PM (Hg4NE)

284 >>You need a campaign manager. I can't do it because I plan to be in charge of bimbo eruptions and I understand that will be a full-time job.

It will be a cabinet level job in my administration. You will serve alongside my Minister of Rum and Beer.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 01:53 PM (ZLI7S)

285 I'm 55. I have a 1995 F-150 XLT with 112k on it.
They can make whatever they want. I'll never need another truck.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at February 16, 2020 01:53 PM (jWe5r)

286 Took a chance, and I'm happy to say that they are terrific. Fit perfectly too, just as WTs.

Posted by: IrishEi

Link?

Posted by: Infidel at February 16, 2020 01:54 PM (MTxDQ)

287 I wonder if Harry and Meghan are at Daytona.


Just the thought of all of those smelly, drunken flyover rubes in one place gives me the vapors.

Posted by: Muggles Merkin at February 16, 2020 01:54 PM (EgshT)

288 279 Good afternoon LadyL, hope you're doing well!
Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:52 PM (a4qVe)


Hi Cheriebebe! I'm doing great! How about you?

Posted by: Ladyl at February 16, 2020 01:54 PM (TdMsT)

289
Does HE get to boff the trophy girl till it HERTZ.


I see Paris
I see Bill France
I see chequered underpanties.

Posted by: saf at February 16, 2020 01:54 PM (5IHGB)

290 This isn't his lap but here's the beast getting on the track:

@LizRNC

The Beast!

https://tinyurl.com/uxdc9zs

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:54 PM (cF8AT)

291 Tex Johnson rolling the 707...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AaA7kPfC5Hk

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:54 PM (XxJt1)

292 What is the name of the knockoffs?
Posted by: Bruce at February 16, 2020 01:53 PM (vd8XM)
~~~~~

3D MAXpider All-Weather Mat

Got them on Amazon. $60!

Posted by: IrishEi at February 16, 2020 01:55 PM (sGotD)

293 Have any of short rounds followers noted, the only way he became a billionaire is by not sharing with his workers? HE DID NOT SHARE!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 01:55 PM (2ygtH)

294 It will be a cabinet level job in my administration. You will serve alongside my Minister of Rum and Beer.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 01:53 PM (ZLI7S)
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Ooh, thank you. I know it will be a demanding job but I will work tirelessly for my lime daiquiri at the end of each week. Someone else can have the beer.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:55 PM (/669Q)

295
My neighbor drove from Columbus to Orlando in their Tesla and it only cost him 10.00 dollars because most of the charging stations were free

Who gives away free electricity?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 01:55 PM (aKsyK)

296 3D MAXpider All-Weather Mat

Got them on Amazon. $60!

Posted by: IrishEi

Excellent!

Thank you!

Posted by: Bruce at February 16, 2020 01:56 PM (vd8XM)

297 Sorry. I love NASCAR, Trump and all sorts of redneck stuff. But this country music crap needs a mute.

I don't get it.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at February 16, 2020 01:56 PM (jWe5r)

298 Ok, so it was a dumb question, and thanks for answering it without saying so.
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No, I think it could be done but its going to have to be a huge drone like one of those Air Force ones that circle the globe. Big enough that it can carry the weight of all those extra batteries its not tapping into and make the run. Which would cost a crapload to build and maintain. Probably not worth the expense to charge your stuck Chevy Leaf.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 01:48 PM (KZzsI)


Right, but that's what I mean. I wanted to know if it was practical, and apparently the answer is resoundingly, "no."

Reminds me of Hughes' Spruce Goose. He made damned sure the thing COULD fly, but also at the same time demonstrated without any question, it would never be practical. Thus showing once again, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:56 PM (hku12)

299 Tell me true. Do you watch NASCAR for the crashes? It can't be for the 2,000 left turns

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:56 PM (8Kudz)

300 It will be a cabinet level job in my administration. You will serve alongside my Minister of Rum and Beer.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 01:53 PM (ZLI7S)

I'll take Weed Minister.

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:56 PM (cF8AT)

301 Hi Cheriebebe! I'm doing great! How about you?
Posted by: Ladyl at February 16, 2020 01:54 PM (TdMsT)

Doing good!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:57 PM (a4qVe)

302
Ooh, thank you. I know it will be a demanding job but I will work tirelessly for my lime daiquiri at the end of each week. Someone else can have the beer.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:55 PM (/669Q)


I would love to join you for a lime daiquiri!

(My goodness that's hard to spell)

Posted by: Ladyl at February 16, 2020 01:57 PM (TdMsT)

303 I'll take Weed Minister.
Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:56 PM (cF8AT)
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I kind of figured that job would go to garrett.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:57 PM (/669Q)

304 I have on occasion, failed said test. Not because I couldn't so something, but because I was on the wrong side of the equation. My thought was, "you ain't puttin' out, honey, I ain't doin' that for you. I'm not your chump."

Her thought, of course, was "I ain't puttin' out until you prove your manliness."
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM (hku12)

I had a good friend who was the perfect stereotype of an engineer, and he used to consistently fail that test the other way. Some girl would ask him something simple about an appliance, and he couldn't stop himself from launching into an hour long lecture about the theory of Electrons.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 01:57 PM (V2Yro)

305 I want to be chauffeured around in The Beast while you lot pay for it.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 01:42 PM (ZLI7S)
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Hey everybody, JackStraw is running for president! You heard it here first.

You need a campaign manager. I can't do it because I plan to be in charge of bimbo eruptions and I understand that will be a full-time job.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:50 PM (/669Q)


Sounds like there might be some wet work involved. You up for that?

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)

306 I would love to join you for a lime daiquiri!

(My goodness that's hard to spell)
Posted by: Ladyl at February 16, 2020 01:57 PM (TdMsT)
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Quick! Sign up for a position in JackStraw's cabinet and you have have the Minister of Rum and Beer make one for you too.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:58 PM (/669Q)

307 Tell me true. Do you watch NASCAR for the crashes?
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 01:56 PM (8Kudz)


No. Nor for any other reason.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 01:58 PM (t+qrx)

308 303 I'll take Weed Minister.

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:56 PM (cF8AT)
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I kind of figured that job would go to garrett.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:57 PM (/669Q)

Damnit. I wanna do something!

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:58 PM (cF8AT)

309 Patrick, how much longer did it take him to get there?
Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 01:44 PM (a4qVe)

He thinks it only added about an over an Hour and half , because the car would tell him that he had enough of a charge for the next station. You have to include Bathroom breaks and eating with kids. It coats me about 180 in fuel and he did it for less than 10 dollars.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 01:58 PM (dKiJG)

310 Bertram - didn't surprise me, in the beginning its all about free publicity to get it started.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 01:59 PM (ZCEU2)

311 Sounds like there might be some wet work involved. You up for that?
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)
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You're asking the lady with the shiv collection, you know.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:59 PM (/669Q)

312 Who gives away free electricity?



Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Well, quite frankly, it ain't free, but since you're the one paying, we'll keep that lie alive.

Posted by: Green new deal at February 16, 2020 01:59 PM (2ygtH)

313 Nope. Nobody has ever rolled 747. In fact, unless you disable some safety features it's not even possible.

Now to pay attention to Daytona.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:59 PM (XxJt1)

314 Darius Rucker having to apologize for making an appearance where PDT will also be in 3...2...1...

Posted by: Nurse ratched at February 16, 2020 01:59 PM (PkVlr)

315 261- wasn't dumb, who knows what the future holds? We aren't tapping nearly the energy available. I think there are incredible efficiency gains still available. Mazda is supposed to have developed a new skyactiv motor (whatever that is) that makes good ol gas much more efficient as a fuel (something like 70% for motive force- I think the best today are under 50. That makes energy dense compounds like hydrocarbons (gas) much more efficient power/weight than any extant batteries.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:59 PM (87EdW)

316 Damnit. I wanna do something!
Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 01:58 PM (cF8AT)
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Minister of Grilling. We will need some good steaks to go with those daiquiris.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 02:00 PM (/669Q)

317 My comment on EVs: in season 2 of Grand Tour, Richard Hammonds drives all over Switzerland in a Croatian "hyper car." It looks super cool, it's wicked fast, even compared to the Lambo that Clarkson is driving. then Hammonds takes it to a hill climb time trial. Just across the finish line, the "throttle" sticks open or faults. He ends up roof side down in a wreck that should have killed him. He was fine. But get this: the car burned for 5(!?) days, as the battery cells continued to cook off. Electric isn't green, OR safe.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:00 PM (7Fj9P)

318 My dad was big into racing and we've watched it since King Richard ruled the tracks. Racing isn't as fun because they've added restrictor plates, phantom track debris, and just too many frickin rules.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 02:00 PM (a4qVe)

319 >>Damnit. I wanna do something!

Don't worry, there will be plenty to do since I will be spending most of my time on Air Force One and in the Beast someone is going have to do the actual work.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 16, 2020 02:01 PM (ZLI7S)

320 I only casually have ever watched NASCAR, If anything the very few times they use a road track.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 02:01 PM (ZCEU2)

321 I have on occasion, failed said test. Not because I couldn't so something, but because I was on the wrong side of the equation. My thought was, "you ain't puttin' out, honey, I ain't doin' that for you. I'm not your chump."

Her thought, of course, was "I ain't puttin' out until you prove your manliness."
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:40 PM (hku12)

I had a good friend who was the perfect stereotype of an engineer, and he used to consistently fail that test the other way. Some girl would ask him something simple about an appliance, and he couldn't stop himself from launching into an hour long lecture about the theory of Electrons.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 16, 2020 01:57 PM (V2Yro)


Heh. Alas, the nerd. Thinking she really WANTS to understand it. Occasionally believing he's found Miss Right.

I realize those kinds of couples DO exist. They spend their days discussing how the universe works. Meanwhile, they have plumbing and light fixtures that remain unrepaired for decades.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 02:01 PM (hku12)

322 Gonna need to shovel a whole lotta coal to power up the grid to power those flimsy Prius batteries for those new trucks...

Posted by: Silence Dogood at February 16, 2020 02:02 PM (SH7Tr)

323 My neighbor drove from Columbus to Orlando in their Tesla and it only cost him 10.00 dollars because most of the charging stations were free

Who gives away free electricity?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 01:55 PM (aKsyK)


Taxpayers.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 16, 2020 02:02 PM (7p0Hn)

324
My dad was big into racing and we've watched it since King Richard ruled
the tracks. Racing isn't as fun because they've added restrictor
plates, phantom track debris, and just too many frickin rules.

Posted by: Cheriebebe


Could never get into: "Go fast, turn left, turn left, turn left..."

Posted by: Green new deal at February 16, 2020 02:03 PM (2ygtH)

325 Nikola traditionally manufactures electric and hydrogen-powered vehicles for "heavy-duty" use, including semi-trucks, off-roading power sport vehicles, and jet ski-esque watercraft. This is the company's first time entering the soon-to-be crowded electric pickup truck market.

They do, eh? Never heard of them. And the blue lights on the running board look faggy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (LxWV7)

326 Re: the Cybertruck in particular: I get the impression from looking at it that it was designed around the need that Musk needed to get a prototype out without spending a lot of money, so the panels on the outside aren't designed right.

And he used "exotic type of stainless steel" as an excuse.

I'm not sure with the various tax-farming schemes going on that any of these vehicles would be being made.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Channeling Vir, and Waving, Like This.... at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (dwojT)

327 Harry, do be a dear and make me a sammich.

Posted by: Muggles Merkin at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (EgshT)

328 Off green sock.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (2ygtH)

329 Here's Fox, live from the track, but there's no sound yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6_H6NjiIMk

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (ghFVE)

330 I will put myself forward as Minister of Sloth and Underachievement and I shall perform the duties of the office whether I'm appointed or not.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (gd9RK)

331 Patrick that is pretty impressive. Altho I'm not sure traveling with 3 kids in a Prius is a sane idea.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 02:05 PM (a4qVe)

332 Mazda is supposed to have developed a new skyactiv motor (whatever that is) that makes good ol gas much more efficient as a fuel (something like 70% for motive force- I think the best today are under 50.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:59 PM (87EdW)


It's a catch-all marketing term that covers a lot of drivetrain bits, but for the engine, it means something like a 13:1 compression ratio. On some, it includes regenerative braking that charges a capacitor (instead of a battery) for the hotel load at stoplights so it can disengage the alternator from the A/C, lights, stuff like that, and it doesn't shut off the engine at stops.

No, I don't know how they get a claimed 13:1 compression ratio on 87 octane.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 02:05 PM (t+qrx)

333 Harry, do be a dear and make me a sammich.
Posted by: Muggles Merkin at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (EgshT)
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Which reminds me: there will be an opening in President JackStraw's cabinet for Minister of Sammiches. Applications now being accepted.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 02:05 PM (/669Q)

334 (Ugh. Maybe I should have said: I doubt that any of these things would be being made without the tax farming schemes that have been implemented.)

(Anyway, y'all get the idea).

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Channeling Vir, and Waving, Like This.... at February 16, 2020 02:05 PM (dwojT)

335 330 I will put myself forward as Minister of Sloth and Underachievement and I shall perform the duties of the office whether I'm appointed or not.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (gd9RK)

Oh this, this I can do! I'll be your assistant.

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 02:05 PM (cF8AT)

336 Darius Rucker having to apologize for making an appearance where PDT will also be in 3...2...1...
Posted by: Nurse ratched
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Oh thanks. Now 'Wagon Wheel' is going to be the earworm du jour. Great road tune:

https://tinyurl.com/mucamm9

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 16, 2020 02:06 PM (ZMWtN)

337 295
My neighbor drove from Columbus to Orlando in their Tesla and it only cost him 10.00 dollars because most of the charging stations were free

Who gives away free electricity?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 01:55 PM (aKsyK)

Some places have courtesy charges.

We bought HUSKY LINERS made in the USA for our mini van


My brother in law said at the Ford Dealer he worked for had a wooden shepherd's hook in case the mechanic is getting electrocuted and you could pull him off.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 02:06 PM (dKiJG)

338 Who gives away free electricity?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 01:55 PM (aKsyK)


Taxpayers. You.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 02:06 PM (gd9RK)

339 315 261- wasn't dumb, who knows what the future holds? We aren't tapping nearly the energy available. I think there are incredible efficiency gains still available. Mazda is supposed to have developed a new skyactiv motor (whatever that is) that makes good ol gas much more efficient as a fuel (something like 70% for motive force- I think the best today are under 50. That makes energy dense compounds like hydrocarbons (gas) much more efficient power/weight than any extant batteries.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 01:59 PM (87EdW)


Yes, we have a future that none of us can properly conceive... if we don't kill ourselves first.

My assumption has been, someday vehicles will all be, not propelled by fuel, but pulled by a magnetic field, in such a way where no fuel will be present inside the vehicle itself.

And self-driving appears to be inevitable, so you program your destination, then sit back and let the vehicle take you. All part of a grid, so that every possible intersection with every other possible vehicle is "known" in a way that accidents are all but entirely eliminated.

I won't live to see it, but I think it only makes sense to go that way.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 02:06 PM (hku12)

340 I will put myself forward as Minister of Sloth and Underachievement and I shall perform the duties of the office whether I'm appointed or not.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (gd9RK)


I'd fight you for that honor but eh... effort.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 02:06 PM (t+qrx)

341 Hottie ain't gonna apologize. He did a video with the Duck Dynasty folks. Even if he ain't overt, he's sure not covert. Worst case is implicit versus explicit for him.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 02:06 PM (87EdW)

342 There's a pickup war coming, and it's going to be electric.


Yeah. No.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at February 16, 2020 02:07 PM (ykID5)

343 Solmeme with a Ricky Bobby one...

https://tinyurl.com/vspyloc

Posted by: Tami at February 16, 2020 02:07 PM (cF8AT)

344
As someone who actually uses a pickup truck in daily work, hauling lumber, trash, dirt, building materials of all sorts, furniture, etc, etc, I'd be happy if the manufacturers would start making trucks with a real honest-to-goodness 8-foot box again. Unless you special order one, you're pretty much consigned to the used market, and they're beginning to get old and rusty.

The current crop of "trucks" are anything but. Luxurious, high-riding cars with a box the size of a steamer trunk.
Posted by: Bret at February 16, 2020 01:26 PM (Wnxq0)







You sure your name isn't Chris? Because that's almost word for word my buddy Chris' rant about modern trucks and the difficulties in finding a long bed pickup. Except he hauls hay and horse trailers.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 16, 2020 02:07 PM (eXA4G)

345 Mazda is supposed to have developed a new skyactiv motor (whatever that is) that makes good ol gas much more efficient as a fuel (something like 70% for motive force- I think the best today are under 50.
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Wankel for the WIN!! (please zoom...)

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:08 PM (7Fj9P)

346 Sounds like there might be some wet work involved. You up for that?
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)
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You're asking the lady with the shiv collection, you know.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:59 PM (/669Q)


Yes ma'am. And again, it's not a question of can, but a question of will.

By the way, you asked some time ago where I moved to, and if you are still wondering, the answer, which is as specific as I am going to be at this time is, Colorado.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 02:08 PM (hku12)

347 I'd fight you for that honor but eh... effort.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 02:06 PM (t+qrx)
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Sorry hogmartin but your skills are way too valuable to squander. You shall be Minister of Cybersecurity and Hacking into the DNC. Part of your duties for the latter will be changing all their email entreaties into fund-raising for the second term of President JackStraw.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 02:08 PM (/669Q)

348 mr. creeper used to ferry A.J. Foyt to and from races. A.J. was a prince...until you crossed him.

IIRC, the last Daytona saw A.J. boarding the airplane in a leg cast. He didn't know any way to drive but lights out.

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 02:08 PM (XxJt1)

349 Tex Johnson rolled a 707 prototype 65 years ago over Lake Washington.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at February 16, 2020 02:09 PM (PkVlr)

350 AOP - To my surprise the local PBS affiliate aired a brief 4-5 minute segment last night on the resting place of your donated crystals:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yx4aex5c

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 16, 2020 02:09 PM (ZMWtN)

351 Could never get into: "Go fast, turn left, turn left, turn left..."
Posted by: Green new deal at February 16, 2020 02:03 PM (2ygtH)

I get that. Racing isn't a 'regular' sport. I just don't like the people that don't "get" racing that slam it.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 02:09 PM (a4qVe)

352 You're asking the lady with the shiv collection, you know.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February




you reuse shivs?

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:09 PM (HALdu)

353 By the way, you asked some time ago where I moved to, and if you are still wondering, the answer, which is as specific as I am going to be at this time is, Colorado.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 02:08 PM (hku12)
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Ah, very nice! Beautiful state. I hope you are very happy there.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 02:09 PM (/669Q)

354 Earlier, when AF1 did the flyover, the announcer (in the video I linked) referred to the President as "46"! And commenters were saying, "That'll be Don Jr.!"

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:09 PM (ghFVE)

355 I get the impression from looking at it that it was designed around the need that Musk needed to get a prototype out without spending a lot of money, so the panels on the outside aren't designed right.

And he used "exotic type of stainless steel" as an excuse.


My brother thinks its a scam to raise revenue. All those pre-orders are cash on the barrel for him to work with, but the truck is just to get the pre-orders.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 16, 2020 02:10 PM (KZzsI)

356 "Hootie" (stupid autocucumber). Normally I'd ignore, but, you know.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 16, 2020 02:10 PM (87EdW)

357 Racing @ Daytona should be a beach in a Ferrari Daytona in Bike Week.
Moar Bitches 'n Boobs than you can shake a stick shift at,and ample opportunities for anal sunning...bring the kids.

Posted by: saf at February 16, 2020 02:10 PM (5IHGB)

358 IIRC, the last Daytona saw A.J. boarding the airplane in a leg cast. He didn't know any way to drive but lights out.


Posted by: creeper



Race drivers, fighter pilots. Idle or red line.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:10 PM (2ygtH)

359 Mazda has been working on a new engine used in road racing like
le Mans, and F- 1 cars use some kind of kinetic energy breaking system that charges a battery for later use.

Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 02:11 PM (ZCEU2)

360 My brother thinks its a scam to raise revenue.

aka Elon's entire business model.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at February 16, 2020 02:11 PM (ykID5)

361 comment on EVs: in season 2 of Grand Tour, Richard Hammonds drives all over Switzerland in a Croatian "hyper car." It looks super cool, it's wicked fast, even compared to the Lambo that Clarkson is driving. then Hammonds takes it to a hill climb time trial. Just across the finish line, the "throttle" sticks open or faults. He ends up roof side down in a wreck that should have killed him. He was fine. But get this: the car burned for 5(!?) days, as the battery cells continued to cook off. Electric isn't green, OR safe.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:00 PM (7Fj9P)

We looked at the Pacifca Hybrid but the batteries were right where my son sits so we just got the gas and it gets 28 MPG. No way am I having the batteries that can catch on fire right under my son.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 02:12 PM (dKiJG)

362 Hiya anyone have a link for the Daytona 500?

Posted by: ALH at February 16, 2020 02:12 PM (Xe15a)

363 I will put myself forward as Minister of Sloth and Underachievement and I shall perform the duties of the office whether I'm appointed or not.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 16, 2020 02:04 PM (gd9RK)

I'd fight you for that honor but eh... effort.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 02:06 PM (t+qrx)


If there's an office of the Undersecretary For Criticizing Everything and Everybody, I would like to put myself up for that position. I have a very particular set of skills, which I have developed over a long career.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 02:12 PM (hku12)

364 We are looking at Trucks because we want to tow a camper and we are looking at getting a some type of Diesel Truck and we were impressed that they get good mileage along with better towing depending on what we buy.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 12:21 PM (dKiJG)

I have owned three Diesel Suburbans, so I am definitely not anti-Diesel. But I would not buy a current-model Diesel truck.

1. They cost a lot more to buy, and more to service.

2. You have to put monkey piss in a tank to "clean up" their exhaust. This basically amounts to an additional tax on fuel, that provides exactly zero perceived benefit to the user.

3. The increase in fuel mileage is offset by the fact that Diesel now sells for a lot more than gasoline.

If you routinely tow heavy loads, the better towing qualities of the Diesel engine might offset these negatives. That's for you to decide.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2020 02:12 PM (LxWV7)

365
Tex Johnson rolled a 707 prototype 65 years ago over Lake Washington.





Posted by: Nurse ratched


During Seafair!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:12 PM (2ygtH)

366 No, I don't know how they get a claimed 13:1 compression ratio on 87 octane.
Posted by: hogmartin
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Possibly the mechanical ratio. The actual effective ratio might be less, particularly assuming variable vale timing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 16, 2020 02:12 PM (2kj6M)

367 Who gives away free electricity?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 01:55 PM (aKsyK)

Taxpayers. You.



Bernie!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 16, 2020 02:13 PM (wc1vX)

368 Possibly the mechanical ratio. The actual effective ratio might be less, particularly assuming variable vale timing.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 16, 2020 02:12 PM (2kj6M)


Clearly, I have much to learn.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 02:13 PM (t+qrx)

369 I don't know the voltage and current of an EV battery,

Look at the 00 or thicker gauge cables.
And you can put a gasoline fire out.

Posted by: DaveA at February 16, 2020 02:13 PM (FhXTo)

370 Some rat, is it safe to assume you are the voice of experience in at least one of those fields...airplanes or race cars?

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 02:14 PM (XxJt1)

371 362 Hiya anyone have a link for the Daytona 500?
Posted by: ALH at February 16, 2020 02:12 PM (Xe15a)

I think this is gonna work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6_H6NjiIMk

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:14 PM (ghFVE)

372 291 Tex Johnson rolling the 707...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AaA7kPfC5Hk

Posted by: creeper at February 16, 2020 01:54 PM (XxJt1)


Beautiful, 'course it would be Tex Johnson.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:14 PM (Hg4NE)

373 Meh, I am not a tesla fanboi but they do seem to have achieved some things that the other big manuffactuers have not.

I am something of a fanboi of Porsche and their new Taycan underperforms Tesla bigly.

A lot of guys have wasted a lot of money betting against them.

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:14 PM (HALdu)

374 My husband is lusting after a Ford 350 dually...

Posted by: lin-duh at February 16, 2020 02:14 PM (UUBmN)

375 By the way, you asked some time ago where I moved to, and if you are still wondering, the answer, which is as specific as I am going to be at this time is, Colorado.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 02:08 PM (hku12)
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Ah, very nice! Beautiful state. I hope you are very happy there.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 02:09 PM (/669Q)


Thank you! Yes, I turn my head to the left right now, look at the vista that dominates the landscape, and it is like nothing else on the planet, literally.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 02:15 PM (hku12)

376 Minister of Sammiches. Applications now being accepted.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 02:05 PM (/669Q)

This ones MINE!! I excel at sammich making!!!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 02:16 PM (a4qVe)

377 I don't care to watch racing, because it's boring to me. But, I'll watch poker for hours, and I realize others would find that as exciting as watching paint dry.

Posted by: April at February 16, 2020 02:16 PM (OX9vb)

378 hiya Rat!

*waves across Sound*

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 16, 2020 02:16 PM (PkVlr)

379 'Merica.

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:16 PM (ghFVE)

380
Some rat, is it safe to assume you are the voice of experience in at least one of those fields...airplanes or race cars?


Posted by: creeper


Heh, nope, but dad did some local stock car racing...Spokane, and State line Idaho.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:16 PM (2ygtH)

381 Patrick that is pretty impressive. Altho I'm not sure traveling with 3 kids in a Prius is a sane idea.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 02:05 PM (a4qVe)

It was a Tesla and the Wife swears they won't do it again. I love to drive and I lower the seats in the back so that whe I get tired I can sleep in the back while one of us drives.

The day they have self drive RV will be great.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 02:17 PM (dKiJG)

382 It has a maximum range of 600 miles by using its fuel cell - hydrogen - and battery power sources.

Just drive down to the hydrogen station and top off.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 16, 2020 12:25 PM (aKsyK)

A company in Vancouver, B.C., Ballard Power Systems, has long been pushing hydrogen fuel cells. I think they sold some fuel cell powered buses to B.C. Transit, the government transit company. They did not work as well as planned. If fuel cells cannot work in a controlled environment like that, how will they ever work "out in the wild"?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2020 02:17 PM (LxWV7)

383 I don't know the voltage and current of an EV battery,

Look at the 00 or thicker gauge cables.
And you can put a gasoline fire out.
Posted by: DaveA
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Li-ion = 3.6V, current capacity will depend on the cell size.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 16, 2020 02:17 PM (2kj6M)

384 Mazda has been working on a new engine used in road racing like
le Mans, and F- 1 cars use some kind of kinetic energy breaking system that charges a battery for later use.
Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 02:11 PM (ZCEU2)


This might be what I was referring to in #332. My Mazda6 has some kind of regenerative engine braking system ("i-ELOOP™") that charges a capacitor when you let off the accelerator. It's supposed to manage routine hotel loads like climate control, lights, stereo, etc so it can decouple the alternator from those loads for a minute or two.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 02:17 PM (t+qrx)

385 Thank you m

Posted by: ALH at February 16, 2020 02:17 PM (Xe15a)

386 Interesting juxtaposition.

Trump riding The Beast in person to lead a celebration of Americana

Bloomberg buying ads to tout how he'll problem solve away a lot of Americana.

So who's going to win the South and Mid-West

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 16, 2020 02:17 PM (8Kudz)

387 nood puerto rico

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:17 PM (ghFVE)

388 Nurse! Waves back! Still have cider for ya if you get to this side of the pond!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (2ygtH)

389 I cannot ever believe that an Electric vehicle will ever be "Better" for the environment.

First. 1st law of Thermodynamics "Energy can neither be created or destroyed, it only changes state." (So chemical to mechanical).

2. No perfect transfer of energy exist. You will never get 100% of your original energy back.

Now knowing these things lets start at fossil fuels. You burn the fuels (Gas)to power the car (Chemical to Mechanical.)


New model. Burn fuel (Coal) make electricity, run through wires (Line Loss electricity). Charge battery (Electricity to Chemical). Use battery to run car (Chemical to Electricity to Mechanical)

Sounds like a great plan. Count me out.

Posted by: Picric at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (nonGu)

390 Thank you! Yes, I turn my head to the left right now, look at the vista that dominates the landscape, and it is like nothing else on the planet, literally.
=====================
If you haven't yet, take a weekend (or longer) and head down to Montrose and check out the Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP. it's spectacular. it's like they shoved the Grand Canyon together so the rims are less than a mile apart. It's breathtaking.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (7Fj9P)

391 Clearly, I have much to learn.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 02:13 PM


First, you have to understand the functioning of the turbo encabulator.

Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (OMsf+)

392 New truck gas engines are so strong and maintenance free one must really work a truck in order to justify a diesel.


That they are dropping big V8s from the menu is the problem.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (Hg4NE)

393
My brother thinks its a scam to raise revenue. All those pre-orders are cash on the barrel for him to work with, but the truck is just to get the pre-orders.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February



The fee to pre-order the truck is $100, so

The model 3 required $1000

Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:20 PM (HALdu)

394 First, you have to understand the functioning of the turbo encabulator.
Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (OMsf+)


No mortal man can truly understand the nature of turbo-encabulation.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 02:20 PM (t+qrx)

395 Meh, I am not a tesla fanboi but they do seem to have achieved some things that the other big manuffactuers have not.

I am something of a fanboi of Porsche and their new Taycan underperforms Tesla bigly.

A lot of guys have wasted a lot of money betting against them.
Posted by: not so at February 16, 2020 02:14 PM (HALdu)


Of course, there is something to be said for fierce competition, as a driver of innovation.

I don't know if Musk is a charlatan or not. Maybe more accurately, the question is how MUCH of a charlatan he is, because all great innovators in history have had at least a bit of carnival barker in their DNA.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 02:20 PM (hku12)

396 I want PDT to say, "Whose victory? Your victory! Four more years!"

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:20 PM (ghFVE)

397 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2020 02:12 PM (LxWV7)

Thanks, I saw they changed the diesel standards I don't mind changing the oil myself.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 16, 2020 02:21 PM (dKiJG)

398 If you haven't yet, take a weekend (or longer) and head down to Montrose and check out the Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP. it's spectacular. it's like they shoved the Grand Canyon together so the rims are less than a mile apart. It's breathtaking.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (7Fj9P)

Don't, that place sucks sweaty balls.

Posted by: Infidel at February 16, 2020 02:21 PM (MTxDQ)

399 Have a 4wd F-150 but would love a Raptor version so But in the End
Posted by: Skip at February 16, 2020 12:22 PM (ZCEU2)

10 I still just want a pony.
Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at February 16, 2020 12:23 PM (EgshT)

11 when do I get a nuclear powered car?
Posted by: vmom 2020 at February 16, 2020 12:24 PM (G546f)

Where's my flying car!? I was promised a flying car, dangit!

Posted by: Headless Roland at February 16, 2020 02:22 PM (z79tQ)

400 lin-duh!

how are you feeling, hun? getting over the flu?

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 16, 2020 02:23 PM (PkVlr)

401 Thank you! Yes, I turn my head to the left right now, look at the vista that dominates the landscape, and it is like nothing else on the planet, literally.
=====================
If you haven't yet, take a weekend (or longer) and head down to Montrose and check out the Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP. it's spectacular. it's like they shoved the Grand Canyon together so the rims are less than a mile apart. It's breathtaking.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (7Fj9P)


It's on my agenda. I've been there before, but it was many years ago. Same could be said of Canyonlands, in Utah. The Grand Canyon is grand and all, but Canyonlands is two, count 'em, TWO canyons with nearly as much spectacularity as the GC.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 02:24 PM (hku12)

402 When do we get to see the president?

Posted by: Braenyard at February 16, 2020 02:24 PM (Hg4NE)

403 First, you have to understand the functioning of the turbo encabulator.
Posted by: Bert G at February 16, 2020 02:18 PM (OMsf+)

No mortal man can truly understand the nature of turbo-encabulation.
Posted by: hogmartin
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There are two fundamental problems, first, the phalange plates *must* be made of unobtanium, secondly, on account of corrosion resistance, only crapalloy may be used for the separator vanes, and we all know how rare crapalloy is.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 16, 2020 02:24 PM (/dN1M)

404 The live chat at the youtube NSACAR link is pretty funny. They're ALL Morons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6_H6NjiIMk

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:25 PM (ghFVE)

405 Shame about the infrastructure. Someone else get on that. I'm just the ideas guy.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 12:40 PM (t+qrx)

We already have the infrastructure, in place, and operating, to transport and market hydrogen. We just coordinate hydrogen atoms around a lesser number of carbon atoms, creating a range of liquid and gaseous fuels which are easy transport and burn.

There is more hydrogen in a gallon of gasoline, than there is in a gallon of liquid hydrogen. True fact.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2020 02:28 PM (LxWV7)

406 Nikola? And relationship to Tesla?

Posted by: Prickly Pete Salmonella at February 16, 2020 02:28 PM (cJqki)

407 Nurse,
Thanks for asking. Yes, I'm feeling better but still feel tired all the time. Also a bit of dizziness and light headedness. I guess that just means I'm not over it completely yet. I think it took me about 3-4 weeks before I felt myself again last time I got the flu.

Posted by: lin-duh at February 16, 2020 02:29 PM (UUBmN)

408 You need a campaign manager. I can't do it because I plan to be in charge of bimbo eruptions and I understand that will be a full-time job.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2020! at February 16, 2020 01:50 PM


I suspect that after the first two or three bimbos are shown a shiv, the job will turn into being the fictional Maytag repairperson.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at February 16, 2020 02:32 PM (DMUuz)

409 PDT and Melania!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6_H6NjiIMk

Posted by: m at February 16, 2020 02:35 PM (ghFVE)

410 No mortal man can truly understand the nature of turbo-encabulation.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 16, 2020 02:20 PM


Ahem.

Posted by: Ens. Wesley Crusher at February 16, 2020 02:45 PM (DMUuz)

411 Could drones potentially be the answer? Sending a drone with enough electrical juice to charge a stranded vehicle?
Posted by: BurtTC at February 16, 2020 01:33 PM (hku12)

Yeah, if the drone were the size of a heavy-lift helicopter.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2020 02:49 PM (LxWV7)

412 LinDuh, talk DH into the straight F350. Or not, you don't have much ice worries in Texas, Dually is not so good on slick roads. They make them for folks with super heavy LQ horse trailers that need dually to handle the bed weight, and the 'cool' factor but like diesel itself you pay extra for routine maintenance for dually.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 16, 2020 02:53 PM (n4y+3)

413 My dad was big into racing and we've watched it since King Richard ruled the tracks. Racing isn't as fun because they've added restrictor plates, phantom track debris, and just too many frickin rules.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 16, 2020 02:00 PM (a4qVe)

That, and they are not "stock" cars anymore, nor do they even remotely resemble them. NASCAR is now formula car racing. Full stop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2020 03:07 PM (LxWV7)

414 LinDuh, talk DH into the straight F350.
----
Oh, did I mention he also wants an 11.5 foot, triple slide truck camper to put back there? That's the he "needs" a dually... *rolls eyes*

Posted by: lin-duh at February 16, 2020 03:09 PM (UUBmN)

415 AOP - To my surprise the local PBS affiliate aired a brief 4-5 minute segment last night on the resting place of your donated crystals:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yx4aex5c
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 16, 2020 02:09 PM (ZMWtN)

Nice video. Editing kind of choppy. There is a pretty nice radio museum in Bellingham, Washington, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2020 03:15 PM (LxWV7)

416 I have a 10-year-old Duramax Allison crew-cab dually - 4x4, so winter not a problem. Tow 11k fifth wheel up and down the big dune between Lake Michigan and Lake Huron, done masonry and deck building that beat the crap out of the bed - 4k pallet of bricks no issue. Gets 19mpg empty at 60mph, but I wish the Allison had another gear for higher speed travel. 12mpg towing that trailer, but drops to 10.5 at 80 mph.

Posted by: Apb at February 16, 2020 03:38 PM (wUn1D)

417
Rod Stewart, Gasoline Alley.

Now that's a blast from the past, MisHum!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 16, 2020 03:42 PM (sy5kK)

418 I predict that the Tesla PU will replace the DeLorean in Pedowood's next remake of Back to the Future.
Because that's about all a Tesla is good for.

Posted by: jdgalt at February 16, 2020 04:59 PM (3SFo/)

419 Looking at the current offerings reminds me:

First truck of my own: '86 Toy HiLux 4x4. Absolutely indestructible. I loved it to death, but 10 years later life changed and I had to do a lot of interstate driving and wanted ABS/airbags. Sold it and got a Ram. What a complete piece of shit.

Why is there nobody selling a cheap, standard cab 4x4 any more? I don't want a fashion statement, I just want to haul crap around. "Crew" and "extended" cabs do nothing but detract from bed space, the raison d'etre of a pickup.

Idiot manufacturers.

Posted by: Jim at February 16, 2020 07:30 PM (RnWbG)

420 northern CLIMES as in climates

Posted by: Francesca at February 16, 2020 10:14 PM (ZhCec)

421 NOT northern CLIMBS.

Posted by: Francesca at February 16, 2020 10:16 PM (ZhCec)

422 Gotta say...this stuff coming out of the late Great city of San Francisco...takes me back to my time living there with the Navy...1978-1986..."the Great Coming Out"....Carter was the CIC...and there was the masterful columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle..Mr...Herb...Caen....who told more truth about his beloved city in a single column than all the news outlets in a 24 hr. cycle...he called San Fran..."Bagdad by the Bay"...(how prophetic)...and yet...If he were alive today...I sense..he would not be doing 3 dot journalism...

He would be doing 3 shot groupings on the vile Socialist/Marxists Hyenas feeding off the carcass of his once beloved city...

Just saying...

Posted by: Nightwatch stone axe smith at February 17, 2020 01:29 AM (kFkpX)

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