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Hi folks! Welcome to the Friday ONT.
Spicy!
This is a really neat article that talks about why we put spices in our food. The obvious answer is “they taste good”, but the article seeks to figure out why we think they taste good. What evolutionary advantage does desiring spices have for the human species? The answer might surprise you at first, but after a moments thought it makes perfect sense. Darwinian Gastronomy: Why We Use SpicesWe're #1! We're #1! The entire city of Baltimore was disappointed last week when the Ravens wet the bed against the Titans, but a new study was released this week that showed us right back up top where we belong. Baltimore is the top city in the US
The Ultimate In Alien Terror Nobody: Absolutely nobody: Etherial Snake:
Whoops Speaking of cold places. Glacier National Park is replacing signs that predicted its glaciers would be gone by 2020
Government Medicine NHS delays responsible for glaucoma patients going blind The 34 year old mother of 3 is now blind after 13 months of delays in getting treatment. Over here, octogenarians get the procedure in a week. THIS is what government insurance means, and what I wish I could get those M4A idiots to understand. Actually, I don't even want them to understand. If I could, I would wave a magic wand and let them have single payer, good and hard. Just leave the rest of us, you know, those with functioning brain cells, out of it. Maybe we could hook them all up with this guy: I campaign for the extinction of the human race. Funny thing about all these anti-lifers: All of them show a distinct lack of being dead. The planet is covered in tall buildings dude. Go. Jump. Show us you have the courage of your convictions. Strangely enough, they don't. Related: The Insulated Life Of Liberals Badass Of The Week THE LEGEND OF CHIEF SHANNON KENT Quite an amazing warrior. Our loss is Valhalla's gain. RIP. Just A Small Oversight U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report I just don't understand the Bush administration keeping this on the QT. Oh, not entirely on the QT, I've seen scattered reports on this since 2005 or so, but why didn't they shout this from the rooftops? “Oh, they were older weapons”. So what? They're WMDs. Bush got crucified in the press for years over “No WMDS found”. The stunning PR incompetence of the Bush administration was truly a wonder to behold. Ass Head Of The Week
This @target manager Tori is not honoring the price of their items per massachusetts law pic.twitter.com/7IYMjCcutZ
— David Leavitt (@David_Leavitt) January 17, 2020
David is wrong. That law doesn’t apply when discrepancy is a gross error, in that the lowest price is less than half of the checkout price and the seller, in the previous 30 days, did not intend to sell the grocery item at the lowest price. G.L. c. 94, s. 184C(i)(2) @AskTarget pic.twitter.com/NN7VqLKvgr
— Daniel I. Lampke (@daniellampke) January 17, 2020
Dude is blind! Lesson here? Enjoy your life no matter what it may be! Look how happy he is! pic.twitter.com/KlW93BQVBp
— Jevon Smith (@me_think_free) January 9, 2020
Tonight's ONT brought to you by hate:
H/T The Political Hat
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 09:56 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto at January 17, 2020 09:56 PM (7WaWV)
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Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 09:59 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: wing at January 17, 2020 09:59 PM (JFzNN)
Help me.
ps - I nooded.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 10:00 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: morigu at January 17, 2020 10:00 PM (Eu98u)
Posted by: Charles the Simple at January 17, 2020 10:01 PM (HuH1F)
Posted by: tbodie at January 17, 2020 10:02 PM (L6lkG)
Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at January 17, 2020 10:02 PM (SchxB)
Posted by: a rutabaga with a dream at January 17, 2020 10:02 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Fred at January 17, 2020 10:04 PM (vNeO/)
❤️
In other news, hello.
Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2020 10:04 PM (t+qrx)
KOKOMO, Ind. (WISH) - A Kokomo councilman who took office Jan. 1 resigned Friday after a Facebook comment he made in 2015 resurfaced earlier this week. In that comment, Greg Jones calls Islam a cult and its followers "goat humpers."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2020 10:04 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:04 PM (9Om/r)
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:04 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:04 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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Truth is no longer a suitable defense? Hmmm.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: wing at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (JFzNN)
If the next generation of planes is cow-shaped, I will admit my error.
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (dOV9E)
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Rob Crawford at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (naEeR)
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (TdMsT)
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Texas, how does a complex structure like that pass the safety requirements that a school has?
Posted by: Jean at January 17,
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Wilowed response; we can structure pretty nearly any wild shape you can imagine and meet code. But it's not efficient, in terms of quantity of steel or ease of erection.
The school in question has massive trusses throughout. Massive.
Posted by: TexasDan at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (u0oAO)
Posted by: davidt at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (B7KlG)
Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (t+qrx)
Should have promoted him to mayor.
Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (SchxB)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (TeF5i)
Florida hates Florida?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (sy5kK)
Yes, and it makes complete sense
Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (B7KlG)
https://youtu.be/4D2Kj0t4t9s
Blancolirio channel, expert discussion of fuel dumping,
Posted by: Fred at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (vNeO/)
Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (SchxB)
Damn, wish I had done that study!
Posted by: tbodie
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That would have been good information to have back in my cow tipping days.
"Oh, you turn them INTO the wind first."
Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (zUdXR)
Posted by: Dr. T at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (2PXwn)
Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at January 17, 2020 10:08 PM (SchxB)
Posted by: TexasDan
Thanks, also means it's expensive.
Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2020 10:08 PM (B7KlG)
Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2020 10:08 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:08 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Orson at January 17, 2020 10:08 PM (ekmWX)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:08 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (JFO2v)
Only if she is a "1".
Posted by: tbodie at January 17, 2020 10:08 PM (L6lkG)
Posted by: davidt at January 17, 2020 10:08 PM (l3+k2)
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Heh. I knew an older gentleman who liked to give Oklahomans hell. He said "When I'm in an airplane, I always know when we get over Oklahoma. It gives you the urge to steal something."
Posted by: irright at January 17, 2020 10:09 PM (RVcmP)
Florida hates Florida?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (sy5kK)
If you question that result, you've never been to Florida.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 17, 2020 10:09 PM (2PXwn)
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 10:09 PM (VNfwt)
Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (SchxB)
Welcome to the neighborhood.
Posted by: Mr. Barrel at January 17, 2020 10:10 PM (L6lkG)
Florida hates Florida?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (sy5kK)
If you question that result, you've never been to Florida.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 17, 2020 10:09 PM (2PXwn)
Only been there a couple of times, many years ago. I walked on South Beach once, and all I saw was either panting, or envy. But no hate.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2020 10:10 PM (sy5kK)
Lost a friend today. A good man, married, two kids; his wife is my best work friend. I'm feeling terrible for all of them. Good thoughts for the family appreciated.
Posted by: Dr Alice at January 17, 2020 10:10 PM (oW/8k)
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The school in question has massive trusses throughout. Massive.
Posted by: TexasDan
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They need to lift with their legs.
Posted by: irright at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (RVcmP)
Posted by: Infidel at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (MTxDQ)
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (VNfwt)
Damn, wish I had done that study!
Posted by: tbodie
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That would have been good information to have back in my cow tipping days.
"Oh, you turn them INTO the wind first."
Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (Y4EXg)
Next we will have liftoff speed of a cow.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (bXR6b)
Damn, wish I had done that study!
Posted by: tbodie
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That would have been good information to have back in my cow tipping days.
"Oh, you turn them INTO the wind first."
Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (Y4EXg)
Next we will have liftoff speed of a cow.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (JFO2v)
Texan or Oklahoman?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 17, 2020 10:12 PM (0ReGO)
Lost a friend today. A good man, married, two kids; his wife is my best work friend. I'm feeling terrible for all of them. Good thoughts for the family appreciated.
Posted by: Dr Alice at January 17, 2020 10:10 PM (oW/8k)
rough day so sorry many blessings
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:12 PM (JFO2v)
Damn, wish I had done that study!
Posted by: tbodie
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That would have been good information to have back in my cow tipping days.
"Oh, you turn them INTO the wind first."
Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (Y4EXg)
Next we will have liftoff speed of a cow.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (JFO2v)
Texan or Oklahoman?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 17, 2020 10:12 PM (0ReGO)
tff
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:12 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:13 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:13 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Kelly Johnson at January 17, 2020 10:13 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Drew.bicle at January 17, 2020 10:14 PM (6hnye)
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Next we will have liftoff speed of a cow.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (JFO2v)
Texan or Oklahoman?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 17, 2020 10:12 PM (0ReGO)
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And how would they grip the coconut?
Posted by: irright at January 17, 2020 10:14 PM (RVcmP)
Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at January 17, 2020 10:14 PM (IPvH/)
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 10:14 PM (n13/j)
. Made me sick to my stomachPosted by: westminsterdogshow at January 17, 2020 10:14 PM (/UQ/R)
Florida hates Florida?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg
Something to do with Florida Man?
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 17, 2020 10:15 PM (+lVUW)
Lost a friend today. A good man, married, two kids; his wife is my best work friend. I'm feeling terrible for all of them. Good thoughts for the family appreciated.
Posted by: Dr Alice at January 17, 2020 10:10 PM (oW/8k)
I'm so terribly sorry. I just sent up a prayers for his family and for you.
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:15 PM (TdMsT)
Gee, why do all the states bordering California hate California?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 17, 2020 10:15 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Ostral B Heretic
you obviously never saw the movie Twister
Posted by: Rick in SK at January 17, 2020 10:15 PM (zDwuO)
Posted by: irright at January 17, 2020 10:14 PM (RVcmP)
They have to carry it on a line.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:15 PM (9Om/r)
Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (t+qrx)
Damn, wish I had done that study!
Posted by: tbodie
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That would have been good information to have back in my cow tipping days.
"Oh, you turn them INTO the wind first."
Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 10:07 PM (Y4EXg)
Next we will have liftoff speed of a cow.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (JFO2v)
Texan or Oklahoman?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 17, 2020 10:12 PM (0ReGO
If you are asking me, yes.
Posted by: tbodie at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (L6lkG)
Posted by: davidt at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM (l3+k2)
That what it looks like to me.
Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (Rz2Nc)
Posted by: Mark1971 at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (m45I2)
Wait - why are we supposed to be upset about this again?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (rLvi3)
I'm late
I'm late
For a very important date
I've got to see
the ONT
I'm late I'm late I'm late
Now to savor the content
Posted by: mindful webworker - checks pocket watch, hops away at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (UE8f6)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (bXR6b)
Lost a friend today. A good man, married, two kids; his wife is my best work friend. I'm feeling terrible for all of them. Good thoughts for the family appreciated.
Posted by: Dr Alice at January 17, 2020 10:10 PM (oW/8k)
I'm very sorry.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (NWiLs)
It has over $8,000 in it in just over four hours.
'Murica!
Posted by: IrishEi at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (sGotD)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (rLvi3)
They're just waiting for us to let our guard down.
Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: parker at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (mmH7U)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at January 17, 2020 10:14 PM (/UQ/R)
That's severely fucked up.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: tbodie at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (L6lkG)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:11 PM (bXR6b)
States that hate Texas
Ark
La
Ok
Nm
that state where people go to to ski
Cal at least since 2005
Ark virgin ugly third grader
La virgin dad has money
Ok virgin girl faster than bros
Nm virgin taco truck register broken
need more
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (TdMsT)
Better lines, too.
(it's no Pontiac Aztek, I tellya!)
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 17, 2020 10:18 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: rhennigantx
Pretty sure that requires a tremoochet.
Posted by: mikeski at January 17, 2020 10:18 PM (P1f+c)
Posted by: tbodie at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (L6lkG)
too
find
friends
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:18 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 10:18 PM (Y4EXg)
Gee, why do all the states bordering California hate California?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 17, 2020 10:15 PM (13CQC)
Blond Morticia, I was going to go all apeshit on your comment, but then I saw you started it with "Gee". Like you already know the answer.
So all is good.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2020 10:18 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 17, 2020 10:15 PM (13CQC)
Hard to figure. Heads up: Reno is undergoing Californication. Yeah, Reno, that forsaken bit of scrub with the hideous downtown. Reason is it's close enough to the Bay Area that you can go back from time to time, while not paying CA taxes.
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 10:18 PM (dOV9E)
Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2020 10:18 PM (NpvYf)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:19 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 10:19 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 10:19 PM (dOV9E)
Also, when a Maineiac is travelling "abroad" (i.e. in another state) by car and another vehicle is spotted with Maine plates, he waves...
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto at January 17, 2020 10:19 PM (7WaWV)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:19 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: parker
You know why their hoo haw runs vertical and not horizontally?
Because if it was horizontally, when the dlid down, it'd go pbbbbbb pbbbbbbb pbbbbbbb pbbbbbb
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (bXR6b)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Dr Alice at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (oW/8k)
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (3qYFU)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (bXR6b)
Ace really needs to bring back the 24 hour banning for blowing the margins. That shit happens on most of JJ's morning threads.
Posted by: tbodie at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (L6lkG)
Posted by: Pete Seria at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (7ZQe3)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (0ReGO)
I knew Florida had different regions but I never realized how different they were till I worked there for a few years.
Northern Florida feels like the south, the Keys feel like the Caribbean, the west coast feels like the midwest in ugly shorts and Miami feels like hell.
I do have fun there.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (ZLI7S)
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A favorable drag cow-efficient.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:16 PM (m45I2)
I call bull!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (rLvi3)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:21 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:21 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM
Cow-shaped airplanes. Let's try that!
Posted by: Boeing at January 17, 2020 10:21 PM (r6GXX)
Posted by: parker at January 17, 2020 10:17 PM (mmH7U)
and acceptable rail polish.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:22 PM (JFO2v)
We as a culture have an elite that wallows in pedophilia and we are shocked there is pedophilia in the culture?
Keep in mind we are ripping down statues of generals because they fought on the wrong side of the civil war while we honor scumbags like Michael Jackson and Harvey Milk.
Try and hang Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, Safe Schools Czar Jennings and some of the rest and you'll see some changes in that culture real fast.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 10:22 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: tbodie at January 17, 2020 10:22 PM (L6lkG)
I knew Florida had different regions but I never realized how different they were till I worked there for a few years.
Northern Florida feels like the south, the Keys feel like the Caribbean, the west coast feels like the midwest in ugly shorts and Miami feels like hell.
I do have fun there.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (ZLI7S)
That's about right. We've got a little bit of everything depending on what part of the state you're in.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:22 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Bovine airflow specialist at January 17, 2020 10:22 PM (Pgcou)
Posted by: davidt at January 17, 2020 10:23 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 10:23 PM (2B9A/)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:23 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2020 10:23 PM (XVuno)
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM
Cow-shaped airplanes. Let's try that!
Posted by: Boeing at January 17, 2020 10:21 PM (r6GXX)
When they become saucer shaped will they be called cow pies?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:23 PM (9Om/r)
the west coast feels like the midwest in ugly shorts and Miami feels
like hell.
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Don't forget us!
Posted by: Retired, rich, New Yorkers lecturing us about global warming from beach front homes at January 17, 2020 10:23 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Jim at January 17, 2020 10:24 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:24 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 17, 2020 10:24 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:24 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:20 PM (rLvi3)
u get carrots
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:24 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 17, 2020 10:24 PM (aA3+G)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:25 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:25 PM (rLvi3)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 10:25 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2020 10:25 PM (Z1eux)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:26 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:24 PM (JFO2v)
*checks bag*
Why, yes I did. No. I am not BCochran.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:26 PM (rLvi3)
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Yet we across the sea here in Japan are much more enlightened.
Posted by: The country that sells hello kitty vibrators at January 17, 2020 10:27 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Jim at January 17, 2020 10:27 PM (QzJWU)
If the next generation of planes is cow-shaped, I will admit my error.
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 10:05 PM (dOV9E)
Boeing COW130 131 whatever!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:27 PM (JFO2v)
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Friendly Illinois Bretheren. It's their toll booths we hate. And their Superiority Complex. But I could go own and own and own.
Posted by: Pete Seria at January 17, 2020 10:27 PM (7ZQe3)
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They have to carry it on a line.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:15 PM
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Heh. I was hoping someone would get what my gibberish was about.
Posted by: irright at January 17, 2020 10:27 PM (RVcmP)
Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 10:27 PM (Qf83p)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 17, 2020 10:28 PM (aA3+G)
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They have to carry it on a line.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:15 PM
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Heh. I was hoping someone would get what my gibberish was about.
Posted by: irright at January 17, 2020 10:27 PM (RVcmP)
He could grip it by the husk.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:28 PM (NWiLs)
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We-ah wicket aweeeeesome in Bean Town. No one can stawhp owah Patriots, owah Red Socks, and owah Bruins!
Posted by: Taxachusetts at January 17, 2020 10:28 PM (WdocV)
Anyone remember the game Earthworm Jim? For no apparent reason you
started one of the levels by launching a cow into near-orbit, and it
would pass by in the sky later in the game. Absolutely insanely
hilarious.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:21 PM (NWiLs)
Why do you think we call it the MOO-N? Coincidence? I think not!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:28 PM (rLvi3)
103 Ladyl! How are ya?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:19 PM (NWiLs)
Pretty good, considering my age and temperament.
I'm getting some important things done.
Things are gonna break loose for you in you life this year. I so predict.
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:28 PM (TdMsT)
>>Retired, rich, New Yorkers lecturing us about global warming from beach front homes
That's the hell part.
I really loved my years of being in Florida. It was so much easier and cheaper than living up north and sun. I like sun.
But the crazy factor can't be overlooked. And it appears to be contagious.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2020 10:28 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (B06Zw)
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (RKPlw)
Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 10:27 PM (Qf83p)
Shoe envy
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (JFO2v)
Prayers up for your friend's family and friends, Dr. Alice. So sad.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (fNFgo)
From the toothbrush guy's twatter site:
"I have not been able to afford to go to a dentist in over three years."
But, also:
@David_Leavitt
Award-Winning Multimedia Journalist. Bylines: CBS, AXS, Yahoo, Examiner, etc
Hmm. Seems 'Award-Winning' doesn't pay very well.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (cg4r6)
May his memory be a blessing.
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (Tt761)
It's 2020. I was told we'd have flying cows by now!
Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2020 10:25 PM (Z1eux)
Darn it all! Keep that quiet!
Posted by: Lockheed Skunk Works at January 17, 2020 10:30 PM (rLvi3)
Posted by: Muldoon
Yeah. But they'd wander all over the sky.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:30 PM (bXR6b)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 17, 2020 10:30 PM (qAR6u)
I'm getting some important things done.
Things are gonna break loose for you in you life this year. I so predict.
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:28 PM (TdMsT)
I sure hope so!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:30 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
I go no beef!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:30 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 10:31 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:21 PM (NWiLs)
Hilariously silly game. There was an attempt a while ago to do a remake of it. Apparently the cancel culture was having a stink because of one of the original creators not being on board with SJW for some reason.
Posted by: Buzzion at January 17, 2020 10:31 PM (LsJqz)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
Thats udder crazy!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:31 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
Youre trying to milk these jokes.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:32 PM (JFO2v)
Keep in mind we are ripping down statues of generals because they fought on the wrong side of the civil war while we honor scumbags like Michael Jackson and Harvey Milk.
Try and hang Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, Safe Schools Czar Jennings and some of the rest and you'll see some changes in that culture real fast.
Posted by: 18-1
You left out Hollywood A listers like Meryl Streep and Robert DeNiro giving Roman Polanski an enthusiastic standing ovation. Right there in front of cameras.
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 17, 2020 10:32 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: Muldoon
Yeah. But they'd wander all over the sky.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:30 PM (bXR6b)
Cows are not very good at evasive action.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 17, 2020 10:32 PM (0ReGO)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
I am sure FAA does not have an ox to gore in this fight.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:33 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
Youre trying to milk these jokes.
Posted by: rhennigantx
No whey!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:33 PM (bXR6b)
North Dakota hates South Dakota because it's 10+ degrees warmer on any given winter day.
But why oh why does South Carolina hate--not North Carolina--but if I'm reading it right--Ohio????
Posted by: filbert at January 17, 2020 10:33 PM (NiXyF)
In my opinion.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:33 PM (m45I2)
157 Cow airplanes would be pretty cool. They could steer themselves.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
Youre trying to milk these jokes.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 17, 2020 10:32 PM (JFO2v)
Heifer heart guys and knock off the puns.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:33 PM (rLvi3)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
Youre trying to milk these jokes.
Posted by: rhennigantx
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Yeah, that's utterly ridiculous.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:33 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 17, 2020 10:32 PM (0ReGO)
Newp.
Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2020 10:34 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Bovine airflow specialist at January 17, 2020 10:22 PM (Pgcou)
Depends on the dude.
-Tater 'Moobs' Stelter
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 10:34 PM (2B9A/)
So he has to make some Target manager's life miserable and call the cops.
Asshole.
Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 10:34 PM (Qf83p)
https://tinyurl.com/vo97pa4
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https://tinyurl.com/rcp2t5a
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Posted by: kbdabear at January 17, 2020 10:35 PM (qAR6u)
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True, but the question is, how far cud they fly?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:35 PM (cg4r6)
*Checks the pasture*
Can confirm.
&
Hey, Oklahoma doesn't hate Texas. We love Texas like a brother. A big brother that keeps pulling stupid pranks on us. We love him anyway, but deal with him warily.
Now, those low-life Coloradishes, don't get me started.
Posted by: mindful webworker - Big Brother isn't just watching, he's giving you a noogie at January 17, 2020 10:35 PM (UE8f6)
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Well, what if you had a big enough trebuchet to get a cow into orbit?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 10:35 PM (WdocV)
157 Cow airplanes would be pretty cool. They could steer themselves.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
Their horns aren't loud enough, though.
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:35 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
You really think they cud
Posted by: REDACTED at January 17, 2020 10:36 PM (rpxSz)
So he has to make some Target manager's life miserable and call the cops.
Asshole.
Posted by: eleven
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He looks the part.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:36 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Pete Seria
Then there are the Chicago geniuses who vacation in small, resort towns on Lake Michigan and bitch because of the limited shopping, restaurants, and entertainment venues.
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 17, 2020 10:36 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:36 PM (m45I2)
Bur not you, you're a Moron
10-4! Think of the poor states taking in lib pussies that will just bring in their bullshit from lib states.
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:37 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2020 10:04 PM (aKsyK)
Well, he's right, isn't he?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2020 10:37 PM (LxWV7)
Gulf Coast Texans specifically hate New Orleans, and we had reason for that. (Sorry for the rest of Louisiana who have to put up with them too.)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 10:37 PM (ykYG2)
https://tinyurl.com/wh9b62y
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Posted by: kbdabear at January 17, 2020 10:37 PM (qAR6u)
Posted by: filbert at January 17, 2020 10:37 PM (NiXyF)
Now, those low-life Coloradishes, don't get me started.
Posted by: mindful webworker
Siblings. Only Texas can fuck with Oklahoma and only Oklahoma can fuck with Texas.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:37 PM (bXR6b)
I hear it was a lot of f*cking work, but they were willing to get their hands dirty and bang out a win for the other team.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 10:37 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: filbert
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Probably the g*damned locusts.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:37 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 10:38 PM (Qf83p)
So he has to make some Target manager's life miserable and call the cops.
Asshole.
Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 10:34 PM (Qf83p)
These people used to be able to just be laughed out of the store. Now there is Twitter.
And how many points does this score you? And among what fucking crowd of degenerates do you come off looking like a fucking hero instead of an insufferable little pinhead jackwagon?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 10:38 PM (2B9A/)
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 17, 2020 10:39 PM (79lT1)
The ladies may not be aerodynamic, but I'll suffer the poor gas mileage.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 10:39 PM (2B9A/)
___
The politically correct terms is humpers of goat...show some sensitivity will you?!?!
Posted by: Some goat humper at January 17, 2020 10:39 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2020 10:04 PM (aKsyK)
Well, he's right, isn't he?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Guess I'll never hold office thanks to those goat fuckers.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:39 PM (bXR6b)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 10:39 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: filbert
We've ruined Hilton Head.
Trust me.
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 10:40 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM
Would one who designs cow airplanes be known as a dairy-nautical engineer?
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto at January 17, 2020 10:40 PM (7WaWV)
Posted by: clutch at January 17, 2020 10:40 PM (+mbOC)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr
BEHEAD THOSE WHO SAY ISLAM IS INTOLERANT
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 10:40 PM (ykYG2)
___
Yeah I guess so. She just couldn't take that kind of load any more.
Posted by: Paris Hilton's boyfriend at January 17, 2020 10:41 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 10:41 PM (2B9A/)
Posted by: Equirhodont at January 17, 2020 10:41 PM (+2GwM)
Posted by: parker at January 17, 2020 10:41 PM (mmH7U)
***
Never send a GI when a bunch of 2,000 lb bombs will do the job.
Posted by: 18-1's presidential campaign slogan at January 17, 2020 10:42 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at January 17, 2020 10:42 PM (fNFgo)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (m45I2)
and they would not have to hoof it.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 10:42 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:43 PM (K22Va)
I mention this periodically, just because I like to say 'Cadillac to Kalamazoo', and I do not get very many opportunities.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:43 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: IrishEi at January 17, 2020 10:44 PM (sGotD)
Posted by: Camel at January 17, 2020 10:44 PM (IPvH/)
everyone, it would be more accurate to say that New Jersey hates New
Jersey. Specifically, North Jersey hates South Jersey, and vice versa.
Much of the hate revolves around the never-ending Taylor Ham/pork roll
kerfuffle... which only proves the South is full of shit.
Posted by: Equirhodont at January 17, 2020 10:41 PM (+2GwM)
And the ones who live in the central area think you're both fucked up. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:44 PM (9Om/r)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:43 PM (K22Va)
I get the same thing with e-liquid (although no scanning, that is creepy.) I will venture to say that I look younger than I am, but I in no way sound or look 16.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 10:44 PM (2B9A/)
Posted by: 18-1's presidential campaign slogan
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*fistbump*
Posted by: Curtis Lemay at January 17, 2020 10:44 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Mongo at January 17, 2020 10:44 PM (hrqrN)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 17, 2020 10:45 PM (M/9m0)
Posted by: clutch at January 17, 2020 10:45 PM (+mbOC)
The good thing about flying cows is that they can be powered on their own farts.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 17, 2020 10:45 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2020 10:45 PM (/669Q)
***
I still like that the hero of Watchmen was the right wing vigilante that just wouldn't let his liberals betters get away with killing a bunch of people for their own good.
A sequel that focused on an Obama like Ozymandias getting his comeuppance from the angry normies could be really, really great.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 10:46 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Greta! at January 17, 2020 10:46 PM (ykYG2)
on scanning my drivers license. Let me talk to the manager, I'm 66 and I
look it. You're not scanning my license. Sorry sir we'll get in
trouble.
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:43 PM (K22Va)
scanning? I guess that is the next level. Most of these corps are ID'ing everyone these days while that was very uncommon even a few years ago. They will go as far as we let them I guess. Nothing new about that really but people will let them go much further these days.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 10:46 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 10:46 PM (Qf83p)
Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2020 10:45 PM (/669Q)
Who?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:46 PM (9Om/r)
--
KOKOMO, Ind. (WISH) - A Kokomo councilman who took office Jan. 1
resigned Friday after a Facebook comment he made in 2015 resurfaced
earlier this week. In that comment, Greg Jones calls Islam a cult and
its followers "goat humpers."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2020 10:04 PM (aKsyK)
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The future must not belong to those who slander the profit.
Posted by: U.S. Chamber of Commerce wandering into the wrong thread at January 17, 2020 10:46 PM (RVcmP)
Like the Colorado Legislature?
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 10:46 PM (ykYG2)
********
My mom used to say that all the time. I used to wonder what she meant, but now I know.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (m45I2)
Posted by: parker at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (mmH7U)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (K22Va)
I once rode my GPz-750 from Cadillac to Kalamazoo, in the rain...cold rain, once.
I mention this periodically, just because I like to say 'Cadillac to Kalamazoo', and I do not get very many opportunities.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:43 PM (cg4r6)
US-131 to I-94, or did you jog down I-96/I-69?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (rLvi3)
Posted by: IrishEi at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (sGotD)
Trust me.
Posted by: Ladyl
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Word. I'm amazed at the difference from twenty years ago. The drive home to Ohio on Saturday is pretty much bumper to bumper from SC to OH. Blech.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (Y4EXg)
Are you a MI native?
Posted by: clutch
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Sorry.
Uh..., no. Tarheel, born and bred
Posted by: Curtis Lemay at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (m45I2)
Hah!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (2B9A/)
******
Re-moo-able energy!
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (m45I2)
Cadillac to Kalamazoo sounds gey. At least in Iowa.
Posted by: parker at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (mmH7U)
It's a Michigan thing - you corn-suppository states wouldn't understand.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:48 PM (rLvi3)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:46 PM (9Om/r)
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Oh wait, you guys hate it, right? Because you hate everyone.
Hey Rhode Island! Look, someone notices you!
Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2020 10:48 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:48 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 10:49 PM (Ct55T)
Posted by: rickb223
Culturally, Oklahoma is North Texas, but without the pollution of Dallas or Austin. When Texas secedes I hope the OK governor is on the phone immediately to see about terms of incorporation.
We hate them because of football allegiances, but we are they.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 10:49 PM (VNfwt)
Give NOVA and Baltimore to Washington DC.
Roll Rhode Island and Connecticut into Taxachusetts.
Roll Delaware into Maryland.
Split Mexifornia, Oregon, and Washington into western and eastern halves.
That way we'd have the same number of states, and a much better collection of Senators.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 10:49 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: clutch
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I was off on one of my long distance bike/camping trips. I think I had been up in Canada on that one.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:49 PM (cg4r6)
good thing about flying cows is that they can be powered on their own farts
Like the Colorado Legislature?
Posted by: boulder t'hobo
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Just about any legislature.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 17, 2020 10:49 PM (13CQC)
******
Re-moo-able energy!
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 10:47 PM (m45I2)
"Flatus" sounds like an Irish airline.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 10:50 PM (Ct55T)
I mention this periodically, just because I like to say 'Cadillac to Kalamazoo', and I do not get very many opportunities.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:43 PM (cg4r6)
Kalamazoo, the birthplace of some of the greatest guitars on the planet.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:50 PM (9Om/r)
One potato, two potato, three potato; four.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 10:29 PM (RKPlw)
Triggering memories of the Banana Splits theme in an unassuming mind is not an act of kindness.
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 10:51 PM (dOV9E)
everyone these days while that was very uncommon even a few years ago.
They will go as far as we let them I guess. Nothing new about that
really but people will let them go much further these days.
They're moving to self check out around here. It's faster than lines but no one is scanning my IDs.
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:51 PM (K22Va)
Thought that Jonah Goldberg guy always asking to smell them is kind of creepy.
Posted by: Tater Stelter at January 17, 2020 10:51 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 10:50 PM (Ct55T)
My female friend, Flatus Assus?
-The tribune from Life of Brian
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (2B9A/)
We wouldn't even think it was weird.
...
or would we?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (Ct55T)
We hate them because of football allegiances, but we are they.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski
*fistbump
Have many good friends in Oklahoma. Grandson was born there.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (bXR6b)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 10:50 PM
"Genitalia" is, in fact, not an Italian airline...
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (7WaWV)
Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (Qf83p)
Posted by: parker
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'Butterjug', OTOH, seems to have a certain appeal there.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: JoeF. at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (o1fzk)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 17, 2020 10:53 PM (Lqy/e)
Okay, maybe a little bit of hate.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 17, 2020 10:53 PM (2PXwn)
And is in a Glenn Miller song.
I was there once, at Western Michigan U. for a party. It was a great party, the human debris was everywhere the next morning. (That was back when three hours of sleep allowed me to bounce back; today I would need ten or so hours.)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:53 PM (rLvi3)
We wouldn't even think it was weird.
...
or would we?
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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Ualamazoo? Gee, I dunno...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:53 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:50 PM (9Om/r)
A B C D E F G H, I got a gal in Kalamazoo
Don't want to boast but I know she's the toast of Kalamazoo
Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo
Years have gone by, my my how she grew
I liked her looks when I carried her books in Kalamazoo
Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 10:53 PM (2B9A/)
Posted by: JoeF. at January 17, 2020 10:54 PM (o1fzk)
Kalamazoo, the birthplace of some of the greatest guitars on the planet.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:50 PM (9Om/r)
It is?
Posted by: clutch at January 17, 2020 10:54 PM (+mbOC)
Posted by: parker at January 17, 2020 10:54 PM (mmH7U)
1/2 the state is too much to cede to those commies.
Besides, the passes are easier to defend.
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at January 17, 2020 10:54 PM (Tt761)
Posted by: JoeF. at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (o1fzk)
There's a Citgo on 78 just going into Jersey from PA that sells fantastic Pork Roll sandwiches.
And yes, it's Pork Roll.
Says so right on the label.
(Because most of their customers are hungry half asleep commuters from PA)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 10:54 PM (Ct55T)
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 10:54 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:43 PM (cg4r6)
Is that as far as from Tucson to Tucumcari?
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=txX-kPn3h6s
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2020 10:55 PM (LxWV7)
Posted by: parker
We call it maize.
Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 10:55 PM (Qf83p)
Posted by: parker
They were originally called the Bug Eaters. No shit.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 10:56 PM (VNfwt)
Posted by: redridinghood at January 17, 2020 10:56 PM (wiXsO)
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 10:54 PM (n13/j)
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Believe me, we all hate DC and Maryland way more than WV. In fact, no one I know hates WV at all and I quite like it.
Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2020 10:56 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:25 PM (rLvi3)
I believe you would enjoy the Just Cause series of games which does allow you to do stuff like attach rocket boosters to animals.
Posted by: Buzzion at January 17, 2020 10:57 PM (LsJqz)
I think we need one more, assigned to 7th fleet, just to hear people of Asian origin try to pronounce the name.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:57 PM (rLvi3)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:57 PM (K22Va)
Remember, Oklahoma provides Texas a barrier, the buffer zone, from Colorado, Kansas, and Missouri.
Least we can do in return for keeping Mexico so far away.
Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice at January 17, 2020 10:57 PM (UE8f6)
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 10:58 PM (dOV9E)
Posted by: Warai-otoko
Have to like Gaelic.
flesmih llik t'ndid nietspe yreffej
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:58 PM (bXR6b)
Posted by: rickb223
My Dad played HS football for Catholic High in Texarkana - had to go up to Broken Bow, OK to play a game in the 40's - "Those mean-ass Indians broke my leg" is all he'll say about OK.
Posted by: Boswell at January 17, 2020 10:58 PM (32YRo)
in other news, my toenail letter to the DNC.
Posted by: Nightwatch on the ramparts at January 17, 2020 10:59 PM (kFkpX)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 17, 2020 10:45 PM (13CQC)
Morticia, I had another look at that Mercedes I mentioned the other night. It is a 1984 380 SEL, and it is for sale for $2000. Has Alaska plates on it. Paint is weatherbeaten. I guess the engines, with their mechanical fuel injection, can be expensive. I took some pics, and should be able to bring up the phone number.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2020 10:59 PM (LxWV7)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 10:57 PM (rLvi3)
Would be super easy in Japanese, except the "l" would be a little flappy, like an "r".
Same with Korean.
And Chinese people always sound fuckin' goofy, so whatever.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 10:59 PM (Ct55T)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:59 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: Mikey NTH
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That was *mumble mumble* years ago. Decades. I haven't the slightest idea. But, if it was possible to avoid interstates, I did.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 10:59 PM (cg4r6)
in Farsi
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:00 PM (RKPlw)
Lost a friend today. A good man, married, two kids; his wife is my
best work friend. I'm feeling terrible for all of them. Good thoughts
for the family appreciated.
Posted by: Dr Alice
.........
Condolences, Dr Alice
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 17, 2020 11:00 PM (CjFDo)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 10:59 PM (Ct55T)
You haven't been properly yelled at, until you've been yelled at in Cantonese. Or German.
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 11:00 PM (dOV9E)
Posted by: redridinghood at January 17, 2020 11:00 PM (wiXsO)
Diesel mechanical injectors are cheaper.
Posted by: clutch at January 17, 2020 11:01 PM (+mbOC)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Glide ratio is bad, though. Like really, really bad.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 11:01 PM (cg4r6)
Great tune and a great band that ended too soon.
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 10:59 PM (K22Va)
Yeah, turns out Val-U-Rite is not just a health tonic.
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 11:01 PM (dOV9E)
Posted by: Boswell
Damn. That was a hell of a long ride. Especially back then.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 11:01 PM (bXR6b)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 10:59 PM (Ct55T)
You haven't been properly yelled at, until you've been yelled at in Cantonese. Or German.
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 11:00 PM (dOV9E)
Truth.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 11:01 PM (Ct55T)
Remember, Oklahoma provides Texas a barrier, the buffer zone, from Colorado, Kansas, and Missouri.
Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice
Texas was never invaded during the War of Northern
Aggression. Native Americans stopped it from coming from Oklahoma. Native Americans were on both sides though.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 11:01 PM (VNfwt)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 11:02 PM (K22Va)
And speaks with a lisping vocal fry (at least that's how I hear it).
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 17, 2020 11:02 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 17, 2020 10:50 PM (9Om/r)
And Checker cabs, too, where many bass players were conceived.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2020 11:02 PM (LxWV7)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:58 PM
Only an absolute retard would run that through Go Ogle Translate...
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto at January 17, 2020 11:03 PM (7WaWV)
Posted by: redridinghood
Largest of the lower 48? Afterthought? People always say how large Texas is.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 11:03 PM (bXR6b)
We are currently watching Falmon and the snowman. J says we just read the book but I swear we saw the movie years ago. It's not too bad.
Posted by: Farmer at January 17, 2020 11:03 PM (P1qUs)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2020 11:02 PM (LxWV7)
Damn. AOP lulls you into a false sense of security just so he can unleash the savage at will.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (2B9A/)
Posted by: redridinghood at January 17, 2020 11:00 PM (wiXsO)
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My guess would be because most people think Texas is the biggest state because they forget about Alaska since it's not contiguous, so Alaska is miffed.
Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:58 PM
Only an absolute retard would run that through Go Ogle Translate...
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto
Hold it up to a mirror.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (bXR6b)
Johnson County, Kansas, anyway.
Posted by: filbert at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (NiXyF)
games which does allow you to do stuff like attach rocket boosters to
animals.
Posted by: Buzzion at January 17, 2020 10:57 PM (LsJqz)
I would pay money out of my wallet right now to see a Holstein kitted with a rocket pack and turned into a cruise cow targeted on a jihadi place somewhere.
Just imaging the cow, with helmet, goggles, and scarf jinking through the valleys and around the mountains and giving the "death moo" as a jihadi looks up to see the form *his* destructor has taken...gold, man. Totally gold.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (rLvi3)
Some customer came in and started speaking Mandarin, and they got super polite and official, and spoke Mandarin back to the customer. I can catch a few bits and bobs of Mandarin here and there, at least enough to recognize it.
The customer left, and I didn't have to speak any Cantonese to know they were talking shit about the guy.
It was amusing.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (Ct55T)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 17, 2020 11:02 PM (oVJmc)
Uh oh, I feel a rant coming on.
What is it with these supposedly professional women -- and MEN -- speaking in uptalk all the time? Are you ever planning to GROW UP AND SPEAK LIKE AN ADULT WHO OWNS HIS/HER WORDS??!??
Sorry. I feel much better now.
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (dOV9E)
games which does allow you to do stuff like attach rocket boosters to
animals.
Posted by: Buzzion at January 17, 2020 10:57 PM (LsJqz)
I would pay money out of my wallet right now to see a Holstein kitted with a rocket pack and turned into a cruise cow targeted on a jihadi place somewhere.
Just imaging the cow, with helmet, goggles, and scarf jinking through the valleys and around the mountains and giving the "death moo" as a jihadi looks up to see the form *his* destructor has taken...gold, man. Totally gold.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (rLvi3)
Use a pig for better results.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 11:05 PM (Ct55T)
Not sure how they handle the whole romance thing though with that same language. ....
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 11:05 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto at January 17, 2020 11:03 PM (7WaWV)
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So are you going to tell us or are you going to make each of us do it?
Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2020 11:05 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: parker at January 17, 2020 11:06 PM (mmH7U)
Lost a friend today. A good man, married, two kids; his wife is my
best work friend. I'm feeling terrible for all of them. Good thoughts
for the family appreciated.
Posted by: Dr Alice
all the best to them in this trying time. it is good she has a friend like you at such a difficult time. Sorry for their loss.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:06 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM
I'll stick with Go Ogle Translate...
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto at January 17, 2020 11:06 PM (7WaWV)
and the body of a 727? that terrorists were using for training.
Bush the lessor of Skull and Bones should have prosecuted Iraq to unconditional surrender then gave it to the generals to administrate.
We would have had fewer casualties, made money (see: Donald Trump on oil), and Iraq would be a civilized, literate nation today.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:07 PM (RKPlw)
Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2020 11:00 PM (dOV9E
I don't know about Cantonese, but German always sounds like everyone is getting ready to expectorate a lot of pfleghm.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:07 PM (rLvi3)
https://tinyurl.com/vel6ogu
My sense is, toothbrush boy isn't made of the same stuff.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 11:07 PM (cg4r6)
There'd be a market for all the feral hogs in the South for that.
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at January 17, 2020 11:08 PM (Tt761)
Not sure how they handle the whole romance thing though with that same language. ....
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 11:05 PM (WdocV)
KOMMEN SIE!
KOMMEN SIE!
ACH! ICH MUSS . .
ICH MUSS . . .
ICH MUSS . . .
ICH HABE BEKOMMEN!
Posted by: filbert at January 17, 2020 11:08 PM (NiXyF)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 11:08 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: redridinghood at January 17, 2020 11:00 PM (wiXsO)
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My guess would be because most people think Texas is the biggest
state because they forget about Alaska since it's not contiguous, so
Alaska is miffed.
Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2020 11:04 PM (/669Q)
and there are likely some old oil grudges. Quite a few Texans in the oil business spend some time in AK. But I agree, the size thing gnaws at both states. We are bigger ! But no one can live in 90 percent of the place! etc.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:08 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:07 PM (rLvi3)
I can speak a decent amount of German, but I've never been able to understand a lick of Bayerisch. It sounds like they're speaking German backwards.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 17, 2020 11:09 PM (Ct55T)
Try a nimble jog up US 395 along the eastern backbone of the Cali Sierra's..damn lonely and viciously cold...hell they send the Marines up there to "winterize" their war fighting skill sets so we can one day finally go and kick some ruskie ass.
Posted by: Nightwatch on the ramparts at January 17, 2020 11:09 PM (kFkpX)
"Ich habe gekommen!"
(Slipped into anglo-saxon for the "be" instead of the german "ge".)
Posted by: filbert at January 17, 2020 11:09 PM (NiXyF)
Not sure how they handle the whole romance thing though with that same language. ....
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 11:05 PM (WdocV)
If they've gone to school, they handle it by speaking French.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 17, 2020 11:11 PM (2PXwn)
state because they forget about Alaska since it's not contiguous, so
Alaska is miffed.
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Texans live in constant fear that Alaska will divide in two, and Texas will become the third largest state.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 11:11 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2020 11:05 PM
No.
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto at January 17, 2020 11:11 PM (7WaWV)
German is about the best language to yell at someone in.
Not sure how they handle the whole romance thing though with that same language. ....
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 11:05 PM (WdocV)
They glare and scream at each other until they are horse, glare some more, and then engage in sweaty, rage-exhausted, coupling.
So I've heard.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:12 PM (rLvi3)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 11:05 PM (WdocV)
Achtung! Penis!
-Heinz Guderian
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2020 11:13 PM (2B9A/)
Evenin' All.
Posted by: Average Guy at January 17, 2020 11:14 PM (BaHwF)
"Ich habe gekommen!"
(Slipped into anglo-saxon for the "be" instead of the german "ge".)
Posted by: filbert at January 17, 2020 11:09 PM (NiXyF)
Still wrong.
"Gekommen" is a motion verb, so it would conjugate as "Ich bin gekommen."
Posted by: Dr. T at January 17, 2020 11:15 PM (2PXwn)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 11:15 PM (m45I2)
https://tinyurl.com/y9wynand
Yeah, I don't get it either.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:16 PM (rLvi3)
I'm guessing Sharkman can back me up on this, but the interesting thing about the west coast sailor is he could always learn just enough Cantonese or Mandarin or Japanese or Korean, to get him to a bar in a taxi, buy beer, eat food, and get laid - but not necessarily always in that order - yet never learn much more than that!
Posted by: Boswell at January 17, 2020 11:16 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 17, 2020 11:16 PM (m45I2)
Except that one part of Ohio where my in-laws live.
Funny thing is my wife agrees. She's pretty much entirely estranged from her cloying, loud, disagreeable family.
Sons and I wish she would try to mend fences, at least a little bit, for her own soul. But, naw.
And I do not disagree. They are a handful.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, of the Butte Mahons at January 17, 2020 11:16 PM (x8Wzq)
Posted by: Sheriff Bart at January 17, 2020 11:17 PM (XVuno)
Aggression.
The Union hit Galveston. I think they did make landfall. I do know that this attack was a failure.
Texas sent troops to New Mexico, failing miserably, and to the Red River in upper Louisiana, where they did better but still failed to secure the Mississippi.
It was just like Sam Houston said: if Texas had seceded WITHOUT joining the Confederacy, they could have had independence again and kept it. But nooooo. Stupid slaveowners had to drag in the rest of the state, because they sided with their class, and not with their state.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:18 PM (ykYG2)
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:18 PM (RKPlw)
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2020 11:19 PM (K22Va)
I have always believed in the immersion technique. You go to a foreign land and have to hit the head, you are going to figure out how to say it.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:20 PM (n13/j)
I forget to unplug her some times. I like her as an alarm clock and to play Tunes but this eavesdropping b******* is not cool.
Posted by: Farmer at January 17, 2020 11:20 PM (P1qUs)
I think the best language for poetry is Persian.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:20 PM (ykYG2)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo
I remember reading long ago that the last battle of the war was fought in Texas (like a month after Appomattox, the Texans won). Maybe my statement is all wet.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 11:21 PM (VNfwt)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 17, 2020 11:22 PM (qAR6u)
Posted by: Braenyard
There it is.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 11:22 PM (VNfwt)
Is it a hate that you would rate,
Compare that to your hate for Adam Schiff.
Is it < than 10?....he is not EVER going to get scale. (He's from Glendale Ca. ....so)
Posted by: Nightwatch on the ramparts at January 17, 2020 11:22 PM (kFkpX)
Posted by: Quint
You could not be more right! We had 18 year old sailors from the deepest part of Alabama you couldn't understand without an interpreter - but yet they sang in Japanese like song birds when out on liberty.
Posted by: Boswell at January 17, 2020 11:22 PM (32YRo)
Oh Lord, watching the local news, Bloomberg has started running ads here. Steyer has been saturating the local channels, and I wonder if Nanny Bloomberg is going to do ad carpet bombing here as well.
The Feb primary can't get here fast enough, and it's going to start ramping up soon. Dems are gonna be carpet bombing.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 17, 2020 11:23 PM (rCwaK)
[voiceover: it's not, it's Matamoros del Norte]
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:24 PM (ykYG2)
All the Army of the Potomac had to do was hold the Army of Northern Virginia and not lose too badly. The south would be eroded from the west.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:25 PM (rLvi3)
Aggression.
The Union hit Galveston. I think they did make landfall. I do know that this attack was a failure.
Texas sent troops to New Mexico, failing miserably, and to the Red
River in upper Louisiana, where they did better but still failed to
secure the Mississippi.
It was just like Sam Houston said: if Texas had seceded WITHOUT
joining the Confederacy, they could have had independence again and kept
it. But nooooo. Stupid slaveowners had to drag in the rest of the
state, because they sided with their class, and not with their state.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:18 PM (ykYG2)
fair points but you also have to acknowledge the Texas Brigade that fought with Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. Lee thought of them as the best troops he had and they fought in the major battles in the Eastern Theater. They were at Gettysburg for example. There former leader Hood ended up in charge of an entire army with a pretty poor result. He was considered to be the best brigade commander on that side when he commanded the Texans. It was a peter principle thing.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:25 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: Nightwatch on the ramparts at January 17, 2020 11:26 PM (kFkpX)
Except that one part of Ohio where my in-laws live.
Funny thing is my wife agrees. She's pretty much entirely estranged from her cloying, loud, disagreeable family.
Sons and I wish she would try to mend fences, at least a little bit, for her own soul. But, naw.
And I do not disagree. They are a handful.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, of the Butte Mahons at January 17, 2020 11:16 PM (x8Wzq)
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There isn't enough money to get me to move to California. The Libs have ruined that state.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 17, 2020 11:26 PM (wiXsO)
One wonders how much money was involved.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 17, 2020 11:26 PM (axyOa)
They are going to put it on a rocket and at 90 seconds go through a procedure as if the rocket failed.
I think that means they are going to blow the capsule off the rocket and see if the test dummies survive.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:27 PM (RKPlw)
Posted by: vmom 2020 at January 17, 2020 11:27 PM (G546f)
Army of Northern Virginia and not lose too badly. The south would be
eroded from the west.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:25 PM (rLvi3)
I know one guy who did not share that view. His initials were A.,L.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:27 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 11:28 PM (VNfwt)
A great man to whom more Texans should have listened.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:29 PM (ykYG2)
Don't let Dick Dowling hear you say that.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:30 PM (RKPlw)
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:25 PM (n13/j)
Possibly my favorite quote from the Civil War is from Lee, when asked by Davis what he thought of putting Hood in command of the Army of Tennessee. Lee's response was "Hood is a bold fighter. I am doubtful as to other qualities necessary."
Awesome subtle put-down, and one Davis probably should have listened to.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 17, 2020 11:32 PM (2PXwn)
the war was fought in Texas (like a month after Appomattox, the Texans
won). Maybe my statement is all wet.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 11:21 PM (VNfwt)
Texas was the last state to surrender as I recall. If you want to read something interesting about the Texas border during that period read Three Months in the Southern States by Arthur Freemantle.
He was a British emmisary who landed by ship in Mexico and crossed the border into Texas. He traveled across Texas and the war driven South and ended up at Gettysburg when the battle began. After the battle he crossed into Union lines and sailed home via NYC. If you like history it is a good first hand account and not a long read. If you saw the movie Gettysburg he was portrayed in that film. But the guy was really impressed by Texas.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:33 PM (n13/j)
Not to mention the "little bird" sat shots of the convoy of trucks jetting across the border into Syria in the middle of the night "pre-invasion"......MSM choked that chicken in the hen house...cuz thats what they do....why else did we get Obama for 8 years...go figure
Posted by: Nightwatch on the ramparts at January 17, 2020 11:33 PM (kFkpX)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (bXR6b)
Got an uncle there. He had to leave Texas, but he won't say why.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 11:33 PM (SgjGX)
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:27 PM (RKPlw)
Cool. I love that the quest to seek new worlds continues. I have a theory that WE might be the leading edge of sentient beings inhabiting the galaxy.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, of the Butte Mahons at January 17, 2020 11:33 PM (x8Wzq)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo
Wait, what? I thought you were an ex pat Brit what lives in Colorado?
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 11:33 PM (VNfwt)
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 11:28 PM (VNfwt)
If you REALLY want to be inflammatory call it Lincoln's War to Destroy the Republic.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 11:34 PM (NWiLs)
Yep, Nanny Bloombutt is carpet bombing ads. Three of the same damn ads in 30 minutes of the local news.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 17, 2020 11:34 PM (rCwaK)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2020 10:52 PM (bXR6b)
Got an uncle there. He had to leave Texas, but he won't say why.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 11:33 PM (SgjGX)
Shot a man on the Mexican border?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 11:34 PM (NWiLs)
I imagine if the HoR removed Glacier National Park's funding based on their predictions of it being melted in 10 years, you'd suddenly find an amazing outcropping of new climate deniers.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 17, 2020 11:34 PM (rESni)
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at January 17, 2020 11:35 PM (Y274z)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 11:34 PM (NWiLs)
No, that was in Reno.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 11:36 PM (SgjGX)
For the past nine years, yes. For 28 years before that though...
I've been 29 for a long time.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:36 PM (ykYG2)
Posted by: Flyover at January 17, 2020 11:36 PM (Rbu5d)
from Lee, when asked by Davis what he thought of putting Hood in command
of the Army of Tennessee. Lee's response was "Hood is a bold fighter. I
am doubtful as to other qualities necessary."
Awesome subtle put-down, and one Davis probably should have listened to.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 17, 2020 11:32 PM (2PXwn)
yeah you know the drill. That was how Lee did things. Maybe he was too subtle but that is how he knocked you for sure. He also just sent poor commanders away, no fuss no muss. one day they are there, and the other they are gone.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:36 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: jsg at January 17, 2020 11:36 PM (NPr4O)
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:27 PM (n13/j)
Yes, everyone was so focused on the cockpit because Washington, DC, and Richmond were so close. Yet, it was in the west that the south started off losing and the losing there, in the west, eroded everything behind that sturdy shield of the Army of Northern Virginia. The final day of Gettysburg was when Vicksburg fell and the entire Mississippi valley was back in Union hands.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:37 PM (rLvi3)
When you're lying here in my arms,
I'm finding it hard to believe,
You're eleven.
Posted by: Mohammed Adams at January 17, 2020 11:38 PM (rESni)
Army of Northern Virginia and not lose too badly. The south would be
eroded from the west.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:25 PM (rLvi3)
I am not saying you are wrong, there is a lot of truth in that. But also it took Grant coming east to actually fight it out, it did not just happen because of the losses in the west.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:38 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: Nightwatch on the ramparts at January 17, 2020 11:38 PM (kFkpX)
Posted by: torabora at January 17, 2020 11:39 PM (Y274z)
Secession would cause a bloody war which the South would not win.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:39 PM (RKPlw)
Wait, what? I thought you were an ex pat Brit what lives in Colorado?
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 17, 2020 11:33 PM (VNfwt)
His is a rich, intricate tapestry. I've met the man. he's 9 feet tall, and wields an axe handle longer than my truck.
Just kidding. He's a good guy, for reals.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, of the Butte Mahons at January 17, 2020 11:39 PM (x8Wzq)
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:30 PM (RKPlw)
Okay, but what communication links did Texas have to the rest of the Confederacy? What resources could they contribute, especially once the Union secured the Mississippi valley? What manpower could they contribute beyond what they sent in 1861-62?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:40 PM (rLvi3)
Good thoughts for the family appreciated.
Posted by: Dr Alice at January 17, 2020 10:10 PM (oW/8k)
Prayers sent, DrA.
Posted by: Flyover at January 17, 2020 11:40 PM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 11:41 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 11:41 PM (2DOZq)
Just the New Yorkers that infest the southern parts of the state.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 11:42 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 11:33 PM (SgjGX)
Does he have a still, an Asian bride, sell land on time to slackers, and shoot tracers from his BAR?
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:42 PM (RKPlw)
And instead of "hate", they need to do a map of which states get ridiculed by which state. For example, years ago when I lived in Montana, it was Nodak jokes.
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at January 17, 2020 11:44 PM (3eV0J)
Posted by: kbdabear
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The problem here, is that the SRP moves to Florida, and then moves here. Halfbacks. I despise them.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 11:44 PM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 11:41 PM (2DOZq)
Just the New Yorkers that infest the southern parts of the state.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 17, 2020 11:42 PM (NWiLs)
I have a NYC Uncle that lives there now. I can see how his obnoxiousness would be hated. He's 83 now and getting worse.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 11:45 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 17, 2020 11:46 PM (l9m7l)
I'm guessing the Confederacy would have sued for peace rather than get conquered. In our timeline, that is exactly what Texas did.
So it boils down to: how McClellan would have handled the negotiations. He was an indecisive little bitch as a commander. I don't think he'd have been much better as President - he'd have been worse than Andrew Johnson.
I'm seeing a military coup in DC and chaos all 'round.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:46 PM (ykYG2)
He was more worried which buttons to put on uniforms than to listen to his best general.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:48 PM (RKPlw)
Washington, DC, and Richmond were so close. Yet, it was in the west that
the south started off losing and the losing there, in the west, eroded
everything behind that sturdy shield of the Army of Northern Virginia.
The final day of Gettysburg was when Vicksburg fell and the entire
Mississippi valley was back in Union hands.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:37 PM (rLvi3)
you are right about the west. For the CSA it was shit show. That is why they rarely talk about it. And also, the press was located in the East and they gave that theater much more prominence.
The USA generals who ended up wining the war such as Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, Thomas, and even Halleck (who sucked
) came out of the West.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:49 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: vmom 2020 at January 17, 2020 11:49 PM (G546f)
What if Britain had been a little less involved with France and thrown their support to the South.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:49 PM (RKPlw)
Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 10:27 PM (Qf83p)
You ain't from around here, are you...
Hoosiers, not Indianans
Volunteers, not tenneseeans.
Maybe southern hoosiers hate kentucky, but as I mentioned previously, northern hoosiers ....build a wall around Will, Cook and Lake counties. There may be more, but that would be a good beginning.
Illinois
Posted by: Flyover at January 17, 2020 11:51 PM (Rbu5d)
I agree. Lincoln went through generals until Gettysburg where Meade proved to be "good enough" for the job. Now coordinating the operations in the east and the west was supposed to be done by Halleck, but he proved to be more of an administrator (which is also valuable) than a strategist. By the time Grant was brought east there were people like Sherman and Thomas in the west who knew what Grant would want and would prosecute his directions. And in the east Grant got Meade to set the Army of the Potomac on the Army of Northern Virginia and not let go. It was death grapple, and we know how that ended.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:51 PM (rLvi3)
Posted by: Farmer at January 17, 2020 11:52 PM (P1qUs)
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:53 PM (n13/j)
Such support wouldn't have lasted long. That Parliament would have been unseated near immediately. Anti-slavery was (as of the 1860s) our justification for our African colonies. Supporting a slave nation would have been seen as rank hypocrisy.
It is true that the later Confederacy was backtracking from its own Constitution, to the extent of enlisting black soldiery; but those moves came [tragically, for them] late.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:55 PM (ykYG2)
Posted by: Nightwatch on the ramparts at January 17, 2020 11:56 PM (kFkpX)
Posted by: Nightwatch on the ramparts at January 17, 2020 11:57 PM (kFkpX)
Events, dear boy!
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:58 PM (ykYG2)
Oh, I wasn't implying that Vicksburg had any influence on Gettysburg; I was just noting that the taking of the Mississippi valley occurred on the same day. Many historians have recorded that day as the "high watermark" of the Confederacy, when you could easily say it was the day that sealed the Confederacy's doom, losing what they truly needed to hold.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:58 PM (rLvi3)
the rest of the Confederacy? What resources could they contribute,
especially once the Union secured the Mississippi valley? What manpower
could they contribute beyond what they sent in 1861-62?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:40 PM (rLvi3)
not much. Their best units were long since deployed and no more were coming .
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 11:59 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 18, 2020 12:00 AM (2DOZq)
Give NOVA and Baltimore to Washington DC.
Roll Rhode Island and Connecticut into Taxachusetts.
Roll Delaware into Maryland.
Split Mexifornia, Oregon, and Washington into western and eastern halves.
That way we'd have the same number of states, and a much better collection of Senators.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2020 10:49 PM (WdocV)
Plus, wall off chicago and surrounding counties from civilization, and don't give them a vote at all.
Posted by: Flyover at January 18, 2020 12:01 AM (Rbu5d)
My mama would rock me in the cradle
In them old cotton fields back home
Posted by: Sheriff Bart at January 18, 2020 12:01 AM (XVuno)
(And Catton was a Michigander, which is always a bonus.)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 18, 2020 12:01 AM (rLvi3)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 18, 2020 12:01 AM (LxWV7)
Posted by: SMH at January 18, 2020 12:02 AM (RU4sa)
They hate the mainland.
Posted by: SMH at January 18, 2020 12:02 AM (RU4sa)
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And these cans.
Posted by: Navin Johnson at January 18, 2020 12:05 AM (XVuno)
(D) had won in the 1864 election. He would have taken office in 1865...
with the Union in firm control of the Mississippi, and facing a bankrupt
Confederacy.
I'm guessing the Confederacy would have sued for peace rather than
get conquered. In our timeline, that is exactly what Texas did.
So it boils down to: how McClellan would have handled the
negotiations. He was an indecisive little bitch as a commander. I don't
think he'd have been much better as President - he'd have been worse
than Andrew Johnson.
I'm seeing a military coup in DC and chaos all 'round.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 17, 2020 11:46 PM (ykYG2)
for sure the hope by the CSA was a McClellan victory or and end to hostilities pushed by Congress. Many in the North were sick of the thing and USA morale reached its lowest point while Grant was fighting Lee. The only chance the CSA had was for the USA to say enough.
Few are taught that the famous New York City Draft riots that were shown on film in Gangs of New York happened AFTER Gettysburg. The battle too many think ended the war.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:05 AM (n13/j)
They hate the mainland.
Posted by: SMH
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I'll be the judge of that!
Posted by: Hawaiian Judge at January 18, 2020 12:06 AM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Kazi at January 18, 2020 12:07 AM (0x00j)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 18, 2020 12:08 AM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Rex B at January 18, 2020 12:08 AM (retgh)
What if Britain had been a little less involved with France and thrown their support to the South.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:49 PM (RKPlw)
Freemantle was an "observer" and he was clear he sided with the South. The Brits helped the CSA by producing a few warships and sending arms etc though it was never official. My guess is they didn't mind the
USA suffering but they didn't have the will or desire to officially side with the Confederacy. They kept their options open for a while, no doubt there.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:08 AM (n13/j)
Heck, I live in CA and hate CA.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 18, 2020 12:09 AM (WEBkv)
"Go over here, case colors, and stack arms."
"Go here, pick up your rations." "From the Yankees?" "Yes."
"Thank you for your service. You can go home now. It's done."
How many days would you need to process that change in reality?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (rLvi3)
They hate the mainland.
Posted by: SMH
Chinese guy that worked for me said Hawaii was the most racist place he'd ever lived
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (BiNEL)
I wanted to check in and share, I am following through with getting some treatment for my right arm problems that I was telling you all about.
Today I had an MRI taken, and everyone here who's ever had one knows it's quite the experience. The tunnel is only like three feet long but inside you feel like you're in a tiny plastic cave.
Also, they gave me ear plugs, but... those noises the machine makes. I would swear they were playing me a couple songs by Kraftwerk.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 18, 2020 12:11 AM (ykYG2)
Tonight I'm going big and having marinated salmon. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:11 AM (L2ZTs)
Meanwhile in Northern Illinois we're getting the snow and apparently then freezing rain. Sounds great except I had an accident last Saturday with the freaking ice. I'm getting old and cautious if it's shity outside tomorrow I'm calling off of work.
Posted by: Farmer at January 18, 2020 12:13 AM (P1qUs)
Posted by: Qasem Soleimani at January 18, 2020 12:13 AM (Pgcou)
the machine makes. I would swear they were playing me a couple songs by
Kraftwerk.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (L2ZTs)
Kraftwerk, thats a name I haven't heard in a long time.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 18, 2020 12:13 AM (9Om/r)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (BiNEL)
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It is.
Posted by: SMH at January 18, 2020 12:13 AM (RU4sa)
I had the MRI experience once, but since I was in for a micro-stroke (TEI) and that was my first opportunity to take a sustained nap, I really enjoyed it.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 18, 2020 12:14 AM (rLvi3)
What if Britain had been a little less involved with France and thrown their support to the South.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:49 PM (RKPlw)
The CSS Shenandoah finally lowered its flag in the UK long after Appomattox. If I recall correctly the ship was built in England as well. and then showed up at a British port. When the war was over the Brits had to follow custom and they required the ship to lower its flags and give up. I believe the crew went free.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:14 AM (n13/j)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:16 AM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 18, 2020 12:16 AM (rLvi3)
Posted by: Mikey NTH
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And then...'Reconstruction'.
Posted by: m at January 18, 2020 12:17 AM (cg4r6)
And you can choose the music. Not a bad time for $1999.99
Posted by: Clinic concierge services at January 18, 2020 12:19 AM (Pgcou)
"Gekommen" is a motion verb, so it would conjugate as "Ich bin gekommen."
Posted by: Dr. T at January 17, 2020 11:15 PM (2PXwn)
Danke.
High school German was a long, long, long time ago.
Posted by: filbert at January 18, 2020 12:19 AM (NiXyF)
influence on Gettysburg; I was just noting that the taking of the
Mississippi valley occurred on the same day. Many historians have
recorded that day as the "high watermark" of the Confederacy, when you
could easily say it was the day that sealed the Confederacy's doom,
losing what they truly needed to hold.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:58 PM (rLvi3)
i think it was the day after but your point remains. They lost at Gettysburg and as you say, they lost their last major holdout along the Mississippi. I am in no way playing that down. The CSA didn't just lose they lost an entire garrison and army. That was very rare in that war. So many generals went for a knock out punch but it rarely happened. I agree with you that the western theater was dominated by the USA. There is a reason why most Southerners focus on the East when recalling that war. But so did the press and so did both countries. It is just the way it was.
:Lincoln kept an eye on the west and that is why he supported Grant so much.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:19 AM (n13/j)
I had one, it was 40 minutes of near panic.
Posted by: attila the thrilla at January 18, 2020 12:20 AM (w7KSn)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (L2ZTs)
I've had a number of medical tests where the biggest pain was being told, 'Don't move'. Yeah, about that whole breathing thing . . . .
Posted by: RickZ at January 18, 2020 12:21 AM (Y8PSl)
Thank God I'm not claustrophobic, I guess. My tech said I sailed through with flying colors. But then it was only 20 minutes and I had a nice support for my back.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:21 AM (L2ZTs)
I was told to take short breaths and try not to swallow.
Thank God my tongue is big enough that it does a good job of blocking up my saliva glands in my mouth when I can't swallow.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:22 AM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (L2ZTs)
I can, and have, fallen soundly asleep in an MRI machine.
The white-noise seems to cancel out the tinnitus, and I find that a very peaceful happening, indeed.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 18, 2020 12:22 AM (QzJWU)
I had one, it was 40 minutes of near panic.
Posted by: attila the thrilla at January 18, 2020 12:20 AM (w7KSn)
I didn't know if I was claustrophobic or not before having my first MRI. Turns out I'm not, fortunately.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 18, 2020 12:22 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 18, 2020 12:23 AM (LxTcq)
I don't want the MRI plumber to have to get out the big plunger... ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:23 AM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (BiNEL)
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It is.
Posted by: SMH at January 18, 2020 12:13 AM (RU4sa)
Haole lies!
Just mail us your money and don't visit.
Posted by: Hawai'i Tourist Board at January 18, 2020 12:23 AM (Y8PSl)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:23 AM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Joe Kidd at January 18, 2020 12:24 AM (5WpEK)
And you can choose the music. Not a bad time for $1999.99
Posted by: Clinic concierge services
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Local Open MRI is $500.00
Posted by: m at January 18, 2020 12:25 AM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 18, 2020 12:28 AM (cg4r6)
Newest Moron offspring Marine graduated today. Expert Rifleman pin and promotion to PFC.
Oooorah!
Posted by: Nurse ratched at January 18, 2020 12:29 AM (PMqic)
influence on Gettysburg; I was just noting that the taking of the
Mississippi valley occurred on the same day. Many historians have
recorded that day as the "high watermark" of the Confederacy, when you
could easily say it was the day that sealed the Confederacy's doom,
losing what they truly needed to hold.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:58 PM (rLvi3)
in retrospect yes. One could say Winfield Scott's Anaconda plan won in the end. But like I said before. The only way the South was going to win if for the North to say enough is enough. They were never going to conquer the USA. But Union morale was at its lowest long after Gettysburg and Vicksburg. It is historical fact although it doesn't look like much on a map.
When Grant was losing thousands in 64 and 65 is when US support for the war reached its nadir. It was the losses that the press relayed that affected morale in the North. In the end, they stuck it out and were victorious. We had seen prior wars when the opponent said enough and we have seen later wars when even we said enough.
i am not discounting anything you are saying as it is factually accurate mostly. The only quibble is the inevitable part. There is always a chance for it to go one way or the other until it doesn't. It might be a philosophy thing but I am giving you my best opinion with no agenda at all. I have enjoyed the conversation btw.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:29 AM (n13/j)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:23 AM (L2ZTs)
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America's Funniest Videos could be yours for the taking!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 18, 2020 12:30 AM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Maj Daniel Kirby at January 18, 2020 12:31 AM (retgh)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:31 AM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 18, 2020 12:28 AM (cg4r6)
First you have to keep an army of hampsters quiet. Besides, Big Machine likes Big Noise; they come as a paired set.
Posted by: RickZ at January 18, 2020 12:32 AM (Y8PSl)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 12:33 AM (L2ZTs)
"Go over here, case colors, and stack arms."
"Go here, pick up your rations." "From the Yankees?" "Yes."
"Thank you for your service. You can go home now. It's done."
How many days would you need to process that change in reality?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (rLvi3)
a lifetime?
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:35 AM (n13/j)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 18, 2020 12:36 AM (cg4r6)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 18, 2020 12:39 AM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: DC at January 18, 2020 12:39 AM (ATCV4)
Virginia and Maryland once fought a naval battle when they were colonies in the 17th Century over possession of Smith Island in the Chesapeake bay. There were casualties on both sides and ultimately Maryland won. That is the reason to this day that Maryland controls all of the Potomac River.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 18, 2020 12:39 AM (d3k/b)
San Diego. Going to enjoy the beach tomorrow. Sooooo good to have him back, even for just a few days.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at January 18, 2020 12:40 AM (PMqic)
Though I suspect it is Chicago, NOT downstate Illinois, that the haters (particularly the haters from other states) really hate. I believe Wisconsinites and Michiganders coined the acronym FIB in reaction to Chicago area tourists and summer residents.
If there's hate coming from Missouri I suspect it has more to do with the Cubs-Cardinals and Blackhawks-Blues sports rivalries than anything else -- but bear in mind there are a LOT of downstate Illinois residents who side firmly with the St. Louis teams.
Posted by: Secret Square at January 18, 2020 12:40 AM (9WuX0)
Posted by: Nurse ratched at January 18, 2020 12:41 AM (PMqic)
Gettysburg where Meade proved to be "good enough" for the job. Now
coordinating the operations in the east and the west was supposed to be
done by Halleck, but he proved to be more of an administrator (which is
also valuable) than a strategist. By the time Grant was brought east
there were people like Sherman and Thomas in the west who knew what
Grant would want and would prosecute his directions. And in the east
Grant got Meade to set the Army of the Potomac on the Army of Northern
Virginia and not let go. It was death grapple, and we know how that
ended.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 11:51 PM (rLvi3)
yes we do. But Sherman always praised Grant and made it clear he could not have functioned as a commander without Grant's leadership. As an independent commander he was always afraid of the unknown. But with Grant as the lead he was freed up to focus on the job. He once said I stood with you when you were a drunk, and you stood with me when I was crazy. For a man like that, that was a hell of a thing to admit. They had a real bond.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:42 AM (n13/j)
Posted by: Nurse ratched
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What I noticed when I got my new Sailor back for a few days is that he just couldn't get use to walking around the house in bare feet after boot camp.
It's funny the things that register with you.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 18, 2020 12:46 AM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: parker at January 18, 2020 12:47 AM (mmH7U)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 18, 2020 12:28 AM (cg4r6)
They work by generating huge magnetic fields. You couldn't make a machine like that quiet because of all the stress those fields put on the metal parts.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 12:47 AM (wGeit)
Not sure how they handle the whole romance thing though with that same language. ...."
A joke I've heard several times:
In heaven the police are Brits, the chefs are French, the poets and lovers are Italian and the Germans organize everything.
In hell the police are French, the chefs are Brits, the poets/lovers are German and the Italians organize everything.
Posted by: Secret Square at January 18, 2020 12:49 AM (9WuX0)
Never know, but he might be eligible for a short bit of leave?
We could connect him with Jane D'oh's son, "Thug Life". Who is also a very Expert Shot. Whole lot of us would enjoy just standing back and watching the young warriors put lead on steel at distance.
Yeah, I know. Thin odds.
But if I didn't suggest it, well now, that'd be the sin, wouldn't it.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 18, 2020 12:50 AM (QzJWU)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 18, 2020 12:51 AM (frkRQ)
The more moderate one said it's understandable, because it is a little weird for someone to describe a phone call as "perfect", and it's easy to get the wrong idea from that, that rhetoric like that can give the impression that maybe something's being covered up.
Neither of them likes Trump, but they're coming around to the view that The Great Impeachening is just so much bullshit.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 18, 2020 12:52 AM (H3MF8)
In hell the police are French, the chefs are Brits, the poets/lovers are German and the Italians organize everything.
Posted by: Secret Square at January 18, 2020 12:49 AM (9WuX0)
The way I heard it:
In heaven the chefs are French, the waiters are British, the lovers are Italian, and the engineers are German.
In hell the chefs are British, the waiters are French, the lovers are German, and the engineers are Italian.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 12:52 AM (wGeit)
We have not set out to collect trophies or experiences but as we transition from a house full to something else we started talking about next.
You cannot talk next without knowledge of past but I don't know you well enough for that. And if I were good at telling you about past I would be published like AH Lloyd.
So with that intro. She asked me what do I want to do? D My immediate response was a sea voyage. Defining that became a different discussion.
I've got other ideas but help me out with thoughts.
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 18, 2020 12:53 AM (Ltv6g)
Will do. He's already planning on hitting the range with me and Mark next week. He's a next generation moron.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at January 18, 2020 12:53 AM (PMqic)
How many days would you need to process that change in reality?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 18, 2020 12:10 AM (rLvi3)
a lifetime?
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:35 AM (n13/j)
Probably; but also, everyone in Lee's army had known it was coming for a long time. They had no ammunition, no food, not even any shoes or blankets by that stage. They were done.
What I think was the saddest battle of the war was the battle of Franklin, Tennesse, in November, 1864. I've been to the site, and studied it a bit. Technically, it was the last Confederate victory since they ended up driving the Federal Army out of it's position (but they were trying to pull back to Nashville anyways) but what really mattered is that almost the entire officer corps on the Confederate side were slaughtered that day. There's a famous old photo of a house used as a field hospital which had 7 dead Confederate Generals laid out on the porch, including Granbury and Cleburne.
This wasn't an accident - they made full frontal attacks on barricaded federal positions over and over, with all of their officers at the front. This was an incredibly talented officer corps that had fought together for more than 3 years at this point - why did they do this?
I think it's clear that they all had an unspoken knowledge that the war was over, that they had lost, and rather than live in defeat, they decided to go out by doing their version of Banzai charges against massed guns, over and over, until they were all gone. it wasn't official, but it's clear that the Army made a choice to commit suicide en masse that day.
the next (and last) battle that army fought was the battle of Nashville - they had staged a nominal siege, but when Federal troops finally sallied forth and attacked them, they crumbled into a complete route, mainly because they didn't have any officers anymore, and the once powerful army of the west never fought as a coherent unit again. Most of the survivors just walked home after that battle, even if home was 700 miles away.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 12:54 AM (V2Yro)
And on another note, I find it hard to believe that Trump deliberately rolled back school regulations
because he knew it was Michelle's birthday. That just sounds kind of silly.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 18, 2020 12:54 AM (WI7YS)
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 12:52 AM (wGeit)
Which is funny by itself since the worst engineering I've seen is British. A boss of mine was a fan of classic Jags, and he had to drill a hole in the body of one of his cars to remove a bolt.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 12:55 AM (wGeit)
405 Quint : what-ifs are always fun.
What if Britain had been a little less involved with France and thrown their support to the South.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2020 11:49 PM (RKPlw)
The
CSS Shenandoah finally lowered its flag in the UK long after
Appomattox. If I recall correctly the ship was built in England as well.
and then showed up at a British port. When the war was over the Brits
had to follow custom and they required the ship to lower its flags and
give up. I believe the crew went free.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:14 AM (n13/j)
and that ship did a lot of damage to USA vessels. They kept attacking across the globe because they didn't know the war was over. They even took out commercial ships off of the pacific northwest as I recall.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:55 AM (n13/j)
Posted by: Ace's liver
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Wellll, that is the reason that it is noisy, but doesn't explain why it can't be controlled. That is to say, 'It can't be controlled' is not an explanation. In point of fact, I expect that, except for pole pieces, there are no ferrous metals in the machine.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 18, 2020 12:56 AM (cg4r6)
That seems odd to me, given that the South didn't require a military victory to win. All they had to do was make the price of victory too high for the North.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 12:57 AM (wGeit)
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 18, 2020 12:58 AM (79lT1)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 18, 2020 12:59 AM (H3MF8)
I assume they gave him a travel voucher to get back to Michigan.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 18, 2020 12:59 AM (cg4r6)
Posted by: MH53J at January 18, 2020 01:00 AM (WRfju)
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 12:42 AM (n13/j)
Sherman wasn't kidding about the crazy - he was prone to bad fits of depression and after one series of setbacks was very close to killing himself - I think Grant talked him out of it. I also recall that Sherman said (now of course he was quite the braggart, so keep that in mind) "oh hell, I'm twice the General that Grant is, always have been - but Grant has got 10 times my nerve!"
One of Grant's unique features was the ability to stay completely calm no matter what happened, and he had the reputation of being the best Poker player in the entire army.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:00 AM (V2Yro)
And let me sleep among your pies
You're a hefty gal, I know
But I'm accustomed to your size
Posted by: Splunge at January 18, 2020 01:00 AM (dOV9E)
because he knew it was Michelle's birthday. That just sounds kind of silly.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 18, 2020 12:54 AM (WI7YS)
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Trump did know it was Big Mike's birthday. After all, Trump's troll status is 'Emperor of the Universe'.
Posted by: RickZ at January 18, 2020 01:00 AM (Y8PSl)
Heaven: English house, Chinese food, Japanese wife, American salary
Hell: Japanese house, English food, American wife, Chinese salary
Posted by: Secret Square at January 18, 2020 01:02 AM (9WuX0)
I've got other ideas but help me out with thoughts.
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 18, 2020 12:53 AM (Ltv6g)
I know this all too well.
Me/You: "Sea Voyage" Blue Water sailboat of suitable size, construction and proven design.
She/Her: "Carnival, Norwegian or Princess?"
Don't even get me going on motorcycle touring.
Things that were discussed and thought to be understood years ago, fail to be understood in the present day.
It does confront one with the consideration of options.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 18, 2020 01:02 AM (QzJWU)
Posted by: Ace's liver
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Wellll, that is the reason that it is noisy, but doesn't explain why it can't be controlled. That is to say, 'It can't be controlled' is not an explanation. In point of fact, I expect that, except for pole pieces, there are no ferrous metals in the machine.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 18, 2020 12:56 AM (cg4r6)
I think the biggest problem is the magnets themselves.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:03 AM (wGeit)
So, how are you doing after your ortho surgery?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 18, 2020 01:03 AM (WI7YS)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:00 AM (V2Yro)
The drinking probably helped.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:05 AM (wGeit)
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 12:57 AM (wGeit)
It was November in 1864 - by then, everyone in their army knew that Lee was besieged inside Richmond, that he couldn't hold out past Spring, that their supplies were done, that Sherman had already wrecked Georgia, that everything was falling apart and would be over soon. But they couldn't and wouldn't accept surrender, and I think it's clear that they took the soldier's way out. Death with honor, rather then life with dishonor.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:05 AM (V2Yro)
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 12:57 AM (wGeit)
It was November in 1864 - by then, everyone in their army knew that Lee was besieged inside Richmond, that he couldn't hold out past Spring, that their supplies were done, that Sherman had already wrecked Georgia, that everything was falling apart and would be over soon. But they couldn't and wouldn't accept surrender, and I think it's clear that they took the soldier's way out. Death with honor, rather then life with dishonor.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:05 AM (V2Yro)
I would have switched over to a guerrilla war. I've always wondered why we didn't see a generation of irregulars attacking government installations from hidden bases.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:09 AM (wGeit)
Jayhawks, James Gang, Anderson's Raiders, etc ...
Posted by: Adriane the Idiots Gotta Dummy Critic ... at January 18, 2020 01:12 AM (LPnfS)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:00 AM (V2Yro)
The drinking probably helped.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:05 AM (wGeit)
He did drink, but it was probably exaggerated by his political enemies. People today look at a lot of strange quirks about him and think he was probably pretty far out on the Aspberger's spectrum. One quirk of Aspergers/Autism sufferers is that they tend to be much more comfortable with animals than humans - Grant was known for saying that he much preferred the company of dogs and horses to the company of Men. He might have had an inability to process emotion, or have been blind to it, which actually worked well for him in battle.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:12 AM (V2Yro)
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 12:57 AM (wGeit)
By the end of the war, the war itself had morphed from open field battle in line to trench warfare. Without cannons, shot and powder, it's hard to fight that type of trench warfare. You're side gets hammered by shelling and there's not any return fire. That would be pretty demoralizing. As we saw in WWI, getting shelled while in trench works was demoralizing even when you could fire artillery back.
And as has been mentioned, by the end, the Confederates were operating on fumes. If not for the loyalty the troops had for Bobby Lee, the Army of Northern Virginia would have disintegrated after Petersburg.
Posted by: RickZ at January 18, 2020 01:12 AM (Y8PSl)
Smells like astroturf.
'"Yeah, I buy it," Brian says. Brian is the CEO of Bark, the company spearheading this project.'
Then a couple of sentences later:
"Currently, we're covering more than 4 million kids, and we analyze 20 million activities a day. "
So apparently the author also works for this company (confirmed at the end of the article).
And I'm sure that "Bark" would be happy to sell you Protection for Your Child for a low, low monthly fee.
(checks...)
Yep. $9.00/month.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 18, 2020 01:13 AM (qUFPp)
Posted by: Adriane the Idiots Gotta Dummy Critic ... at January 18, 2020 01:12 AM (LPnfS)
That's what makes the Outlaw Josey Wales such a good story. It's a fictionalized account of one of those guys, and what he faces.
To keep up a guerrilla war, you gotta have something to fight for. The defeat was too complete for that to happen.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:15 AM (V2Yro)
(checks...)
Yep. $9.00/month.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 18, 2020 01:13 AM (qUFPp)
Hah. I knew that headline smelled like an advertisement.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:15 AM (wGeit)
I know this all too well.
Me/You: "Sea Voyage" Blue Water sailboat of suitable size, construction and proven design.
She/Her: "Carnival, Norwegian or Princess?"
I am blessed with a kindred spirit who is more tough and adventurous than I am. Probably much more so. I like theBlue Water adventure and articulated that option. Her question was more definitional. She suggested San Francisco to Tahiti like theCSN song, then switched to Ushuaia to Easter island. She does not have an adventure deficit.
I'm on board (pun intended) with either of those. My question was more about help with fantastical and magical. Going to space is on that list as well. That may be for our children.
Thank you for your thoughts.
I am hoping to become a Texas Mo Me participant soon
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 18, 2020 01:17 AM (Ltv6g)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:15 AM (V2Yro)
Wasn't Iraq in the same boat in 2003? A great many people in the South believed they were fighting a war of independence, and those sorts of guerrilla movements are incredibly easy to sustain.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:17 AM (wGeit)
To be clear here, there absolutely are creepazoids out there on the net.
However, the solution is not letting your 11 year old daughter hang out in random chat rooms, not installing some quack software.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 18, 2020 01:18 AM (qUFPp)
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:09 AM (wGeit)
The South didn't do that because of one man: Gen. Robert E. Lee. His word was God and when he said it was over and go home, they obeyed his last order.
That's the main reason why this push to tear down Confederate statues (and to rename Washington and Lee University) pisses me off so much. Yes, Lee fought against the Union, albeit reluctantly as he went with his State (a big deal back then and incomprehensible today), but he also had honor and knew a guerilla war was dishonorable.
Posted by: RickZ at January 18, 2020 01:18 AM (Y8PSl)
I know we already have the Sunday Gun Thread but if we really, truly think things are about to get "sporty" maybe we ought to get serious about helping one another survive... including those of us who are stuck, for various reasons, in those states everyone loves to hate or those blue cities you say you'd like to see wiped off the map, fall into the sea, etc.
Posted by: Secret Square at January 18, 2020 01:21 AM (9WuX0)
Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2020 10:06 PM
FIFY
Posted by: ptschett at January 18, 2020 01:21 AM (zB+vL)
I was entertained by that, as my first car, a '51 Plymouth, was nicknamed 'The Gray Ghost'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 18, 2020 01:22 AM (cg4r6)
I've got other ideas but help me out with thoughts.
Posted by: Pete Bog
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Ha, the lovely wife and I were just talking about that very thing. We did not share our early lives together as we found each other after our previous marriages ended.
We want to see more of the Western and Southwestern US - specifically Wyoming, Utah and Arizona. (We're in OH and have been). She has some mobility issues so backpacking in the back country is no longer doable but we'll do the best we can for that - horse camping or time at dude ranches.
One of my DILs is Greek and owns property in Greece so we are trying to schedule a trip there. I really have no desire to travel overseas but with my DIL and my son as guides, it should be fun.
We like driving trips so a few cross country recon trips were talked about as well. Texas has moved to the top of the heap for a possible move so we are heading there a few times this year to snoop around and see the sights (not the big cities!).
Good luck - this is a great time of life.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 18, 2020 01:23 AM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 01:24 AM (L2ZTs)
Haven't been to a graduation in a while.
Had hoped/planned to attend one with a Guadalcanal vet, MCRD recruit, and pre-war enlistee of my acquaintance - had talked to MCRD about having him recognized at the graduation - but he couldn't do it, then passed away not long after.
Beach?
This is what passes for "winter", and horrific weather, here. Actually pretty good for the beach, because it will reduce the number of people there (which, now, only rarely declines to the nice emptiness that used to be most of the "off seasons").
Posted by: rhomboid at January 18, 2020 01:27 AM (El6T/)
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 18, 2020 01:28 AM (Ltv6g)
that was a great description Tom. I am not as up on the Western Theater. I did read a book on Cleburne, he was a very interesting and unusual Confederate commander. He was an Irishman and he had no use for slavery at all. He proposed freeing the slaves early in the war and his friends and fellow officers kept the idea on the down low as much as they could.. It probably hurt his career but he had to be true to himself and his views. He was an ardent Confederate as that was his home.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 01:29 AM (n13/j)
https://tinyurl.com/qrxcmk3
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 18, 2020 01:29 AM (WI7YS)
As others have noticed losses in '64 were causing the Union to waver, and one could imagine a somewhat more successful Confederate war effort - perhaps even something as simple as getting to the high ground first at Gettysburg - leading to a McClellan victory in '64 and a "victory" for the South.
European involvement changes this a lot though. Now the South's allies have the capability to invade and occupy the North - Britain's army ended up with around 100,000 troops in the Crimean War, presumably they'd be able to supply more out of Canada and rely on large numbers of native Canadian troops.
Also, the British navy is at least the equal of the American. That means no blockade of the South and the prospect of coastal raids on major American cities on the coast. The British burned DC in the War of 1812 and could possibly have burned Boston in the 1860s...
But interestingly while this helps the South, a lot, in terms of military power it likely unites the North politically. What is the Union view if Boston is burned? Likely there is no McClellan in 64...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 18, 2020 01:29 AM (WdocV)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 18, 2020 01:31 AM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 18, 2020 01:33 AM (WI7YS)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 18, 2020 01:34 AM (WI7YS)
Posted by: klaftern at January 18, 2020 01:35 AM (RuIsu)
That seems odd to me, given that the South didn't require a military
victory to win. All they had to do was make the price of victory too
high for the North.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 12:57 AM (wGeit)
yeah I have to agree with Ace's liver on that one. But we can't see into their hearts so I guess it is up to interpretation.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 01:35 AM (n13/j)
We want to see more of the Western and Southwestern US - specifically Wyoming, Utah and Arizona. (We're in OH and have been).
I have some Wyoming knowledge and would be happy to throw input into your planning.
We need a searchable moron travel thread.
To your final point I don't think we appreciate how fortunate and unusual our situation is in world history that middle class exists and aspires to post retirement life
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 18, 2020 01:35 AM (Ltv6g)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 18, 2020 01:36 AM (WI7YS)
sadly life often comes down to what is the lesser evil, and how do you define it.
Right now, we no longer own our own property due to Property Tax (if we don't pay, the government takes our land).
About 1/3rd of our labor, is now owed to the Government, more than peasants in the dark ages.
Right now the government can steal your cash, if you have too much. (asset forfeiture laws).
And right now, in some states, the Federal and State Governments can decide if you have the RIGHT to defend yourself, in a meaningful manner.
This is ALL the result, of an overpowering Federal Government, which is what the South was fighting against.
Posted by: Don Q at January 18, 2020 01:38 AM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 18, 2020 01:39 AM (Y4EXg)
And they could have broken the blockade relatively easily. They had more ironclads and of higher quality. The extent to which the UK supplied the world with warships in the last half of the 19th century can't be overstated.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:40 AM (wGeit)
Posted by: parker
They were originally called the Bug Eaters. No shit."
Check out this postcard map of state nicknames from 1884, represented as cartoon pigs.
https://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/pga/03900/03942v.jpg
Not only were Nebraskans called Bug Eaters back then, Texans were Beef Heads, Marylanders were Crab Thumpers, South Carolinians were Weasels, Alabamians were Lizards, Illinoisans were Suckers, and Missourians were Pukes. And yes, the Missouri pig is doing exactly what his name implies....
Posted by: Secret Square at January 18, 2020 01:42 AM (9WuX0)
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 18, 2020 01:43 AM (Ltv6g)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 18, 2020 01:44 AM (L2ZTs)
Still in service with the Russian Federation is a submarine tender that was built for the Imperial Russian Navy 105 years ago. It survived the siege of Leningrad. In 2009 it was fitted with a British built mini-sub.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 18, 2020 01:44 AM (frkRQ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 18, 2020 01:45 AM (WI7YS)
always wondered why we didn't see a generation of irregulars attacking
government installations from hidden bases.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:09 AM (wGeit)
That one is easy. Lee forbade it. They came to him and said they should disperse and conduct a long guerilla war. He said enough was enough. It was not all altruism but also reality. The CSA was a mid 19th century modern state with the institution of slavery.
There was really no way to keep a functioning state of any kind as a bunch of guerillas. Lee said surrender and then go about living as USA citizens again. He lead by example and went off to teach at Washington University, which later became Washington and Lee.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 01:47 AM (n13/j)
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:48 AM (wGeit)
Posted by: klaftern at January 18, 2020 01:48 AM (RuIsu)
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The country, and I mean the Union/US, owes a major debt of gratitude to Lee for this.
Had he been a vengeful man he could have allowed his fellow confederates to tear the country apart after the war - as was seen in many other guerillas wars.
It is a shame that in pop culture he is now an "Enemy of the State".
Posted by: 18-1 at January 18, 2020 01:50 AM (WdocV)
Posted by: RickZ at January 18, 2020 01:18 AM (Y8PSl)
More, the South fought against an over powerful Congress, one that was imposing not only restrictions on how they lived their lives, but was capricious in their Taxation, and laws.
Sound familiar?
Posted by: Don Q at January 18, 2020 01:51 AM (NgKpN)
Yesterday I was looking up 4 ships we saw on Wednesday and all the notations for the Perry-class frigates (FFGs) - going to Thailand, going to Taiwan, etc. - reminded me of that site. Though not the name.
I recall there were still several WWII LSTs in service in the Philippines and elsewhere in the Pacific.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 18, 2020 01:51 AM (El6T/)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:00 AM (V2Yro)
The drinking probably helped.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 01:05 AM (wGeit)
He did drink, but it was probably exaggerated by his political
enemies. People today look at a lot of strange quirks about him and
think he was probably pretty far out on the Aspberger's spectrum. One
quirk of Aspergers/Autism sufferers is that they tend to be much more
comfortable with animals than humans - Grant was known for saying that
he much preferred the company of dogs and horses to the company of Men.
He might have had an inability to process emotion, or have been blind
to it, which actually worked well for him in battle.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 01:12 AM (V2Yro)
There is little to show he drank while on duty as the commander of Union forces. He had earlier bouts with depression and alcoholism before the war but not much proof he drank much during the war. He had a close aide that watched him and had the power to call him out if he went on some binge.
From the looks of it, he was one of those guys that may have been allergic to alcohol. It wasn't that he was pounding it, it was how it affected him if he drank at all.
The other stuff you have about his nature is most interesting. I do know he was quite the horseman and well known at the Point as an excellent rider.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 01:54 AM (n13/j)
***
The country, and I mean the Union/US, owes a major debt of gratitude to Lee for this.
Had he been a vengeful man he could have allowed his fellow confederates to tear the country apart after the war - as was seen in many other guerillas wars.
It is a shame that in pop culture he is now an "Enemy of the State".
Posted by: 18-1 at January 18, 2020 01:50 AM (WdocV)
Note, the only Southern Unit that never Surrendered, was Mosby's Raiders.
I am a direct descendant of one of them.
Posted by: Don Q at January 18, 2020 01:55 AM (NgKpN)
The other Mosins don't feed as well. And only the Bulgarian and Romanian clips work well, the Russian (WWII) and Chinese (brass) don't.
Gonna have to spend time examining the stripper clips to see exactly how they differ from each other.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 18, 2020 01:55 AM (El6T/)
https://youtu.be/9nAGbsjM5CE
There is a Part II
https://youtu.be/S-iymgVwxis
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 18, 2020 01:56 AM (frkRQ)
A lot of Grant's problems stemmed from his early military career, when he was told to put down a revolt in California, by any mean needed.
And was then thrown under the bus.
Posted by: Don Q at January 18, 2020 01:58 AM (NgKpN)
Posted by: MHK at January 18, 2020 01:58 AM (iQIUe)
Felton's really become a force of nature for WWII on UToob, hasn't he? Was not aware of the video you linked, have not checked his channel in a while.
About the USN ships - one thing I noticed was that a lot of the Perry-class being/already sent off to other countries were named for WWII figures, and in a quick scan of the entire active duty listing, my impression was that there were few WWII names among the newer/current classes. But that was a quick scan.
Think there was a new "The Sullivans", unless I'm mistaken, which is nice.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 18, 2020 02:01 AM (El6T/)
Posted by: norrin radd, sojourner of the spaceways at January 18, 2020 02:04 AM (evOmY)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 18, 2020 01:50 AM (WdocV)
Johnny Cash sang a song about. And yes the nation has turned on Lee in an amazing and quick way that few prior to our present generation would comprehend. Lee has been on five US postage stamps. Think of that. A man who fought against the US has been on five different US postage stamps.
Lee's home at Arlington is called a National Shrine by the US Park Service. There are so many reasons for this and most have to do with reunification and national healing. I guess some were left out on this long after the war and there is an argument there. But only describing the history, as in what has happened, what is occurring now would surprise a lot of people in the past.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 02:10 AM (n13/j)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 18, 2020 02:11 AM (frkRQ)
A union boat spotted the blockade runner and started toward it. As the runner started up the Sabine, there were 3 islands in a row near the mouth. The loot was quickly buried on the third island. Only one man survived and told the story which was passed down.
I don't know if anyone ever went looking for it...
Posted by: Meremortal at January 18, 2020 02:11 AM (Bwqq4)
There are three islands in a row just upstream from the mouth of the river.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 18, 2020 02:15 AM (Bwqq4)
i am not sure what my point is here but there is an argument in academic circles about a "Long Civil War" that incorporates so much history that happened long after the guns were silenced. That is not something I can discuss intelligently so I go with the standard ending of April 1865.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 02:20 AM (n13/j)
A lot of Grant's problems stemmed from his early military career,
when he was told to put down a revolt in California, by any mean needed.
And was then thrown under the bus.
Posted by: Don Q at January 18, 2020 01:58 AM (NgKpN)
the man is so interesting and such an American type hero. He was pretty much a failure before the war and even after the war his presidency and life did not end up too well. It was the war that made the man in a way that even Lee can't measure up. Lee was already highly regarded before the war. Grant only shined because of that war. And now few Americans can say a thing about him.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 02:23 AM (n13/j)
Quint - and others who raised it earlier - oddly enough, I find the Soviet-style* war on history and heritage WRT to the Civil War of the last few years to be - of all things, and after all the things - to be perhaps the most alienating and infuriating depredation.
* seems almost nobody understands how unique, or very unusual - in a positive sense - our post-Civil War history was, in world-historical terms ..... happened to have an actual experience in the USSR that seared this into my mind and probably adds to my disgust
Posted by: rhomboid at January 18, 2020 02:31 AM (El6T/)
investigation of the third island. After establishing your dominion
over the ursus and fish of Kamchatka, this should be, as we used to say,
"girls' gym".
Quint - and others who raised it earlier - oddly enough, I find the
Soviet-style* war on history and heritage WRT to the Civil War of the
last few years to be - of all things, and after all the things - to be
perhaps the most alienating and infuriating depredation.
* seems almost nobody understands how unique, or very unusual - in a
positive sense - our post-Civil War history was, in world-historical
terms ..... happened to have an actual experience in the USSR that
seared this into my mind and probably adds to my disgust
Posted by: rhomboid at January 18, 2020 02:31 AM (El6T/)
I think I know what you are saying. Most "civil wars" end in unmitigated terror. While the US had lots of problems that came out of that war or at least followed the war, it also had some pretty amazing attempts at reconciliation. There is a reason American presidents spoke at Gettysburg on the 25th and particulary the 50th anniversary.
The Boy Scouts brought guys in their 80s and 90s from all over the nation for a reunion. Many traveled across the nation and more than a few died on that field during the reunion. President Woodrow Wilson spoke to the men. "On the 75th president Roosevelt spoke.
There is an entire story of reconcilation and unity that is completely unknown today. Kennedy went to Gettysburg and his wife was so struck by the flame at the Eternal Light Peace Memorial that she chose to have the same at her husband's grave site. President Eisenhower loved Gettysburg so much he retired there and his home is right next to the battlefield.
When I used to study the Civil War is was mainly to learn about tactics, armies, battles, etc. But there is another story about reconciliation that seems completely lost to most Americans today. Anyone who looks at that war with no idea of the war itself or the history that followed really has no understanding of America at all. It is as if they have been plunked down on a foreign planet and everything is new to them.
Posted by: Quint at January 18, 2020 02:45 AM (n13/j)
Posted by: Pickled & Happy at January 18, 2020 03:23 AM (Tc6m0)
[...]
What I think was the saddest battle of the war was the battle of Franklin, Tennesse, in November, 1864.
[...]
This wasn't an accident - they made full frontal attacks on barricaded federal positions over and over, with all of their officers at the front.
[...]
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 18, 2020 12:54 AM (V2Yro)
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One version I've seen, via Shelby Foote, is that Hood was basically punishing the army for letting the Union Army march past them in the night.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 18, 2020 03:49 AM (t5m5e)
Jayhawks, James Gang, Anderson's Raiders, etc ...
Posted by: Adriane the Idiots Gotta Dummy Critic ... at January 18, 2020 01:12 AM (LPnfS)
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The Klan was a large guerrilla/terrorist force. Partially undid the results of the war.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 18, 2020 04:01 AM (t5m5e)
Posted by: DaveM at January 18, 2020 04:28 AM (WWC3Y)
Posted by: Skip at January 18, 2020 04:33 AM (ZCEU2)
Then you have the clowns screaming communism about the dump.
I'm a masochist.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 18, 2020 04:40 AM (Bk/kr)
Posted by: Skip at January 18, 2020 04:44 AM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Skip at January 18, 2020 04:47 AM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 18, 2020 04:53 AM (wGeit)
All my life kerosene's been said to be about the same as jet fuel. They sure smell the same when they're burning.
Posted by: Gooshy at January 18, 2020 04:59 AM (ed5HO)
Posted by: Skip at January 18, 2020 04:59 AM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Gooshy at January 18, 2020 05:02 AM (ed5HO)
Posted by: Skip at January 18, 2020 05:03 AM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Skip at January 18, 2020 05:05 AM (ZCEU2)
From the interesting wiki page on jet fuel:
"Most jet fuels in use since the end of World War II are kerosene-based."
And the first jet engine burned kerosene.
And the classifications are based on performance, not composition.
My dad was a crash/rescue firefighter, he told me a jet engine circa 1950s would burn just about anything...for a while.
Posted by: Gooshy at January 18, 2020 05:14 AM (ed5HO)
Posted by: Skip at January 18, 2020 05:16 AM (ZCEU2)
g'mornin', 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at January 18, 2020 05:22 AM (zEOTN)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 05:24 AM (jg1QG)
Posted by: My life is insanity at January 18, 2020 05:26 AM (Z/jzm)
Most Navy Helps used to burn it.
We used in in all of our ships small boats as well.
It fell fully within the 'Almost kerosine' family of aviation fuel.
SR-71 ran an unorthodox type of fuel.
But if it's civilian, it can pretty accurately be called kerosine based.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 05:27 AM (jg1QG)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 05:28 AM (jg1QG)
Long enough to be useful, I mean.
In the early 80s, DoD was going to all-deisel vehicles; 2 1/2 and 5 ton trucks were already multifuel and had a placard of ratios for mixing gasoline with oils to use.
I imagine they wanted to get to a single grade of jet fuel. maybe two (one for cold weather, I would guess).
Posted by: Gooshy at January 18, 2020 05:29 AM (ed5HO)
Posted by: Gooshy at January 18, 2020 05:31 AM (ed5HO)
up to 7 degrees from -1 on the way in...
Posted by: beanervt at January 18, 2020 05:37 AM (rOAaB)
Not much more to go on about.
Did 8 years in A-Gang, with Helo-refueling, and JP-5 pump room as part of our fiefdom.
Was terrified of the concept of being in a pump-room surrounded with honest to god jet fuel, until I learned the rather benign volatility characteristics of it.
And it was sort of like Frank''s Hot sauce. We ran that shit in everything. Helo's, Captains Gig, Motor whale boat, Emergency Diesels. Even had hard piped connections with a blind spectical flange to allow pumping that stuff into the fuel tanks for the ships boilers.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 05:42 AM (jg1QG)
Let's smile and be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 05:45 AM (u82oZ)
"until I learned the rather benign volatility characteristics of it."
Or finally shook "Learn or Burn" out of your subconscious!
Posted by: Gooshy at January 18, 2020 05:45 AM (ed5HO)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 05:46 AM (u82oZ)
Going out to my former company reunion this afternoon to see some guys I worked with for 20 some years.
Posted by: Skip at January 18, 2020 05:48 AM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 05:48 AM (jg1QG)
All we need now is NGU, and we will have a fair selection of Maritime Minds gathered.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 05:50 AM (jg1QG)
Posted by: JT at January 18, 2020 05:51 AM (arJlL)
JP-5 was a purified mix of hydrocarbons.
For surface ship gas turbines, diesels, and boilers, the Navy uses Diesel Fuel Marine. This is not as pure.
In many ships it is on top of seawater. Seawater enters the fuel tank as the ship uses fuel. This is to assist ship's stability. We lost some DDs in WWII to storms because they did not have this system. It's all automatic, so no more stability calculations every refueling by the DCA.
If you are the MPA, you need to have an eye on the fuel/water separator and the fuel filter. But with those working, you can burn a cheaper, less refined fuel, and indeed, fuel contaminated with algae or bacteria.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 05:53 AM (u82oZ)
Posted by: beanervt at January 18, 2020 05:53 AM (rOAaB)
We do have a vocal selection of USN veterans here. Add Vic, Eromeo, Laughing in Texas, and many more stalwarts.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 05:55 AM (u82oZ)
On my second ship we had a guy who was a good engineer on board. After drinks, not so much.
He came back looped to the gills, and quite belligerent. He took a swing at the Disbo standing OOD (inport). Then he open a JP-5 tank cover tried to throw a lit lighter into the tank. The flame arrester in the opening kept us safe.
He ended up shackled to the deck, howling all night long. What a long CDO duty day.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 05:59 AM (u82oZ)
Salty, my biggest question would be: When you say 'purified' do you mean something like filtration, or another step in distillation?
Posted by: Gooshy at January 18, 2020 06:03 AM (ed5HO)
Posted by: Citizen of Bureaustan at January 18, 2020 06:03 AM (ldmQR)
Before I entered the service I was a chemist.
In school I watched a crazed Bolivian smoke cigarettes in an organic chemistry lab. He even poured out diethyl ether (highly volatile and flammable) in a porcelain crucible and put his cigarettes out in that fluid. The trick was to get in the liquid fast.
If he had held a lit cigarette over the surface of the liquid, the flame would have hit the ceiling. Ether fires are fast.
So a lighter in JP-5 would go out.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 06:03 AM (u82oZ)
Just imagine an old Machinist Mate first hearing of the concept of Seawater Compensated fuel storage tanks.
Of course, I remmed being topside in Charleston when the very first Spruance Class arrived for her homeport shift to Charleston.
This massive, slab sided unorthodox thing with jet engines on it was a sight to behold.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 06:04 AM (jg1QG)
Yep.
First introduction to it was when my LPO took the #10 can partially full of the stuff, to clean paint brushes with, and flicked a lit cigarette into it, to extinguish it.
Just to prove a point.
Got the point across about the need to flange shield connections as well.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 06:07 AM (jg1QG)
All fuel is a specific cut of a refinery mix, selected by boiling point. Jet fuel is then carefully filtered, with specific additives.
The big chemistry is breaking down these long chain hydrocarbons that are very high boiling and not viscous. Cracking towers with special, usually expensive catalysts reform the long chains of hydrocarbons into medium-sized molecules that flow and burn well.
DFM was not as pure, but gas turbines (my ship had 4 LM-2500 (C5-A) engines for ship's motion) will burn it with no problem, if the water and junk is removed by filters
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 06:09 AM (u82oZ)
I loved serving in my Spruance DD. Driving it was a hell of a lot of fun.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 06:11 AM (u82oZ)
Flange shields are important. Every Bravo fire in a main space seems to start as a spray from a bad flange connection. Repair 5, where are you?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 06:13 AM (u82oZ)
That process I described turns oil from an oil field into usable fuels. The lack of sufficient refinery technology is why Iran and Venezuela need to import gasoline.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 06:17 AM (u82oZ)
Back in the day, they were trying to get real Engineers to cross rate over to Gas Turbine.
I had a chance to cross deck over to O'Bannon for a week underway.
Imagine going from a FF-1052 Class to a brandy newy Spruance, with the most luxurious of Engineering berthing, and enclosed engine modules, with a control console.
Alas, with a Class convening date in hand, they told me I would have to either extend, or re-enlist for the conversion and school.
So I didn't go that route.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 06:17 AM (jg1QG)
Mornin' all you navy folks.
Just a plain ol' redleg (no, not a Josie W. redleg) here.
NaCly, you' making me miss doing GC and GC/MS work.
Posted by: teej who will never buy another Yamaha instrument at January 18, 2020 06:17 AM (FwR7v)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 18, 2020 06:23 AM (jg1QG)
Dagnabit, you are not as old as Vic. Just stop it.
I used a GC/MS all the time. Just a tool. The multinuclear NMRS were the big toys.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 06:24 AM (u82oZ)
Of course, most of the GC work involved double bonded rings with some chlorines attched, but still...
The GC/MS work was mostly straight chains checking for leaking UST's.
Posted by: teej who will never buy another Yamaha instrument at January 18, 2020 06:26 AM (V9sPV)
Teej, have a great day. I'll go to the new thread and sign off.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 18, 2020 06:28 AM (u82oZ)
Thanks Salty.
Posted by: Gooshy at January 18, 2020 06:28 AM (ed5HO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZZlo0WZ_iU
Posted by: stonecutter at January 18, 2020 07:11 AM (Bfr22)
Every state except Ohio and Michigan would change.
Posted by: brainy435 at January 18, 2020 04:29 PM (LUT9I)
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