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Charles Schumer: The House Totally Made a Convincing Case for Impeachment But Also We Totally Need to Call New Witnesses to Make the Case for Impeachment

But oh, by the way, we also don't want to hear from certain witnesses, like Hunter Biden.

From Epoch Times:

Schumer wrote to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) over the weekend, telling his counterpart he wants Mulvaney to testify, along with Robert Blair, a senior adviser to Mulvaney; former National Security Advisor John Bolton; and Michael Duffey, associate director for national security at the Office of Management and Budget.

....

Schumer said the Senate Democrats are open to hearing from additional witnesses, if they have direct knowledge of the Trump administration decisions that the opposition party is arguing constitute impeachable offenses.

Asked if he’d support calling some of the witnesses that Republicans want to testify, such as the person who filed the complaint against Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Schumer suggested he wouldn't.

If Schumer wants to hear from these witnesses, why doesn't he ask his fellow party hack Nancy Pelosi to call them, instead of insisting, impotently, that Mitch McConnell do what Nancy Pelosi refused to do?

Schumer was just on TV. In 1999, he adamantly refused any new witnesses, claiming they'd heard all they'd needed to hear from the House inquiry. Now he demands witnesses. He just claims the two situations are "completely opposite." Meaning they're trying to get someone of the opposite party.

He also babbled about why he needed new witnesses but why Trump's proposed witnesses -- such as Alexandria Chalupa and Hunter Biden -- must not be called. He claimed that anyone claiming anything at all about Ukraine is pushing "conspiracy theories," and he added, only Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele and CNN and MSNBC are permitted to do that.

Well he didn't say that. But it was heavily implied.

Byron York commented on the Democrats' "pre-trial trolling" strategy.

In coming weeks Senate Democrats will insist on hearing testimony House Democrats didn't even try to hear. Might be a tough argument to make. House has made its case. Time for Senate to judge.

Democratic pre-trial trolling strategy already clear. We need new witnesses! What does Mitch McConnell have to hide? What are they afraid of? New witnesses, new evidence. Americans deserve the whole story. (Except for 'distractions' like Hunter Biden or whistleblower.)

Schumer and other veteran Democrats will totally flip their positions from 1999. Their argument will be: It's OK because that was a Bad Impeachment and this is a Good Impeachment.

Meanwhile, mentally decrepit leftwing lawyer and deranged Trump Obsessive Lawrence Tribe is proposing... emergency bail-out procedures to just quit impeachment and stop the bleeding.

He wants the House to refuse to transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate, blaming McConnell or something.





Sure sounds like these guys are trying to make excuses in advance and/or bail out of impeachment.

I wonder why.



Below, this gasbag's full press conference, and by "press conference," I mean his public conference with the press coordinating their mutual political strategy together.




Posted by: Ace of Spades at 02:55 PM




Comments

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1 First!

Posted by: Flyguy at December 16, 2019 02:56 PM (3sOO0)

2 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 02:57 PM (q80AH)

3 How about McConnell use Schiff's rules and procedures on Schumer and co.?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2019 02:57 PM (bDqIh)

4 fuck that guy. why is he still relevant, much less breathing? fuck you, new york.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 02:58 PM (KP5rU)

5 Wut?

Posted by: Bosk at December 16, 2019 02:58 PM (9m9TT)

6 First and I called nood.

Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 02:58 PM (M0u+N)

7 First, what's with this sudden "direct knowledge" crap? No such rules in the House. Obviously, the Senate is not bound by those rules but this is a sudden commitment to "direct knowledge" by the Dems.

Second, take the damn win, Chuck. The Rs are going to turf the thing and send it for a vote with no debate and no witnesses. You're safe. You corrupt government bastards are all safe with the "no witnesses at all" approach. It is the biggest gift the Rs have given you, probably in my lifetime.

Don't get greedy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 02:58 PM (I2dne)

8 Let the red district Democrats kill it in the House.

It's their only move remaining that could remotely rescue the Democratic House in 2020.

And it probably wouldn't work anyway.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 02:58 PM (q80AH)

9 Breaking news Chuckles... you aren't in charge of the Senate.

Posted by: henry at December 16, 2019 02:59 PM (JMDly)

10 Nancy is gonna take the hindenberg out for one last ride.

Posted by: garrett at December 16, 2019 02:59 PM (zOZae)

11 Fuck Schooooomer and that retard Tribe.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 16, 2019 02:59 PM (y7DUB)

12 9 Breaking news Chuckles... you aren't in charge of the Senate.
Posted by: henry at December 16, 2019 02:59 PM (JMDly)

=========

"But Reid always was no matter what! Why can't I be?!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 02:59 PM (q80AH)

13 He wants the House to refuse to transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate, blaming McConnell or something.


Ah, the "take my ball and go home" gambit. Well played, Prof. Tribe, well played.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (T6t7i)

14 He wants the House to refuse to transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate, blaming McConnell or something.

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For a while, I have always wondered why Mitch insisted that once the House impeaches, the Senate must have a trial - the way he said it. Now it makes sense.

McConnell saw through this potential strategy of the House getting impeachment without the downside of an acquittal a long time ago.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (sX1BW)

15 They really have nothing left do they? I mean, never mind the bottom of the barrel, they knocked out the boards and dug a tunnel underneath the barrel.

Posted by: Flyguy at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (3sOO0)

16 Sorry, Chuckie. You get to have a nice bite of the giant shit sandwich your House colleagues prepared, prepared according to the chef's recommendations. Enjoy!

Posted by: Swanzinator at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (FEaBh)

17 Dunno what all this means, but Judge Sullivan, the judge presiding over the Gen Flynn fiasco, has denied Flynn's motion to compel Brady material ie the exculpatory stuff that the DOJ's hiding. Flynn will have his sentencing hearing at the end of January.

https://tinyurl.com/wo86vvz

Seems like an L for Flynn, despite his new lawyer's best efforts.

Posted by: The Institute at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (LhK3i)

18 Nancy is gonna take the hindenberg out for one last ride.

lol

Nice visual.

Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (M0u+N)

19 Fuck Chuck.

No one cares what he thinks.

America has moved on. We are planning for an epic holiday season.

Merry Christmas, you
Filthy animal.

Posted by: Czech Chick at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (WU8si)

20 There was something on the last thread regarding CJ Roberts' role:

The Chief Justice is not in control of the process. This has been done twice in our history, the CJs only role is to apply the rules that the senate votes on. Even when the CJ acts, the senate can overrule him with a simple majority.

People are speculating that CJ Roberts can have a heavy hand. He can only do that if there are 51 (or 50 if you like) votes in the senate to back him up. This is NOT a regular courtroom.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 16, 2019 03:01 PM (JRaU+)

21 Cuck Schemer is a buffoon. He looks like a retarded Charlie Chaplin standing next to that talking, slippery denture corpse, Nanzy Foolosi.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 16, 2019 03:01 PM (VpIIl)

22 >>>Seems like an L for Flynn, despite his new lawyer's best efforts.


yes, it is. I just saw that a few minutes ago.

Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:01 PM (PbpT7)

23 McConnell would never allow this. He is not going to wait for the House to deliver the impeachment. Once the vote is recorded, he is moving forward.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:01 PM (sX1BW)

24 They are insane. Like, literally should have a diagnosis in the DSM-5.

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at December 16, 2019 03:01 PM (/5WQL)

25 Willowed, crap.

Agree to Nancy/Schumer demands - them change the rules after the bill is transferred

Posted by: Jean at December 16, 2019 03:02 PM (t1ckn)

26 I added this:


If Schumer wants to hear from these witnesses, why doesn't he ask his fellow party hack Nancy Pelosi to call them, instead of insisting, impotently, that Mitch McConnell do what Nancy Pelosi refused to do?

Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:02 PM (PbpT7)

27 Schemer has some big balls making demands as the Senate Minority after the bitch-slapping his party did to the Republicans in the House.McConnell's only reply to Schemer needs to be: FYNQ.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 03:02 PM (N39Ws)

28 Charles Schumer: The House Totally Made a Convincing Case for Impeachment But Also We Totally Need to Call New Witnesses to Make the Case for Impeachment
But oh, by the way, we also don't want to hear from certain witnesses, like Hunter Biden.




The Republicans are gonna fuck this up.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:02 PM (vc6c9)

29 heh Carly Fiorina.

I remember her from a podcast, long long ago...

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (93FI+)

30 Laurence Tribe and Fauxahontas walk into a bar...

Posted by: Marcus T at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (VpIIl)

31 What I'd do if I were McConnell:

Cite the Democrats history of submitting incomplete bills with placeholder text as an example that the Senate does not need a complete bill to vote on it.

Call for a vote on Impeachment immediately. Make the carnival in the House absolutely impotent, and a pointless waste of taxpayer money.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (J+mig)

32 LOLGF

Posted by: t-bird at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (nIvDu)

33 Chuck knows he is going to get Schmucked by Cocaine Mitch

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (BqBId)

34 Delusion ain't just a river in Egypt

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (m45I2)

35 My way or the highway, eh?

Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (v0R5T)

36 Seems like an L for Flynn, despite his new lawyer's best efforts.


yes, it is. I just saw that a few minutes ago.
Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:01 PM (PbpT7)

Fuzznuts Sullivan is just another black robed tyrant.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (y7DUB)

37 >>>I remember her from a podcast, long long ago...


i feel ashamed

Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (PbpT7)

38 The Chief Justice is not in control of the process. This has been done twice in our history, the CJs only role is to apply the rules that the senate votes on. Even when the CJ acts, the senate can overrule him with a simple majority.

People are speculating that CJ Roberts can have a heavy hand. He can only do that if there are 51 (or 50 if you like) votes in the senate to back him up. This is NOT a regular courtroom.

------------

I suspect he will be more of an observer than anything. But the lack of a lot of precedence means we don't have that much guidance. However, the more it looks like a "trial" - with witnesses by each side, length of trial, etc. - the more of a hand he will likely have.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (sX1BW)

39 Chuck can demand, but he's in no position to get what he wants. More Democrat Failure Theater.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (hLRSq)

40 you know what trump should do? he should release the transcript of the call!

Posted by: mjc at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (Pg+x7)

41 My way or the highway, eh?
Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (v0R5T)
++++++++++++
That's a bold stance when you're the passenger.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (I2dne)

42 The main reason impeachment is underwater is that no one for impeachment can explain why they are impeaching other than Orangeman bad.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (qQ7kL)

43 37 >>>I remember her from a podcast, long long ago...


i feel ashamed
Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (PbpT7)

==========

You were great, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (q80AH)

44 >>The Republicans are gonna fuck this up.


Well, yeah...


this is not the hill to Die on and all that.

Posted by: garrett at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (zOZae)

45 These are not the acts of confident people.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (RD7QR)

46 Say what you want about McConnell, the man is a legislative and parliamentary genius. He is going to run circles around people like Cuck Schemer.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (VpIIl)

47 >>Delusion ain't just a river in Egypt


It's a winter Olympics sport!!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (bDqIh)

48 The plan always seemed to be:

1) Impeach Trump, did not matter what the charges were.

2) Once Impeachment began, they hoped to be able to dig up something truly incendiary (not really, but something that would catch the collective zeitgeist. Whisper campaign.

3) Schumer still seems to be trying to go for the toss enough salad, some tasty bit will come to the surface.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (ycWCI)

49 The Republicans will rightly be accused of cuckery if they make rules any more bipartisan than Adam Schiff did. It is the clearest sign that not only have they learned nothing from the age of Trump, but they have as much to lose as the Dems.

If only there was a department dealing in justice, that answered to the President. Ah well, Trump is winning anyways. Why put that at risk to hear the Bidens tell lies that no one will call them on, much less lies that will result in their arrest?

Posted by: trev006 at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (su29i)

50 The interesting part comes when they call Biden to testify, and he refuses to show up.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (T6t7i)

51 >>>38 The Chief Justice is not in control of the process. This has been done twice in our history, the CJs only role is to apply the rules that the senate votes on. Even when the CJ acts, the senate can overrule him with a simple majority.


thanks for clarifying. I was wondering if Schumer was hoping that Roberts would direct these witensses to testify on his own authority, ignoring the fact that the full Sup. Ct. usually decides matters of executive privilege. But based on what you say, he can't.

Unless Romney, Murkowski, and collins flip. Which they could.

Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (PbpT7)

52 Posted by: garrett at December 16, 2019 02:59 PM (zOZae)

Der Luft Balloon Herr Nadler?

Oh the Huge Manatee.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (PiE+K)

53
So, Schumer's demands are:

1.) Dems are allowed to call any witnesses they please, including ones which haven't yet appeared in House proceedings, effectively denying Republicans the equivalent of "discovery," but...

2.) Democrats will also decide which witnesses Republicans are allowed to call.

The Senate GOP of the past would unquestionably accede to these demands. I hope in this case that they understand folding like a cheap suit and pissing themselves in the corner will not bode well for them next year.

If they permit this, they're finished.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (AzW6q)

54 schumer and nanzi, the casket mannequins speak gibberish for the educated elite. fuck them with supercharged flamethrowers. in the ASS.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (KP5rU)

55 I think the D's in the Senate should be allowed to call as many witnesses as the R's in the House were allowed to call.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (kUmUV)

56 O/T Greta put down her statement about putting people up against the wall to mistranslation of a Swedish saying. She did not give an example of a use that predates her own. I have failed to find any in my searches which admittedly were in English. Any morons know Swedish? And if so, is really such a Swedish saying?

Posted by: CtHillary, Dead but Dreaming... at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (JXKKq)

57 38. That is not correct. The senate decides who testifies, and how long, and through what manner. The CJ does not decide any of that, unless he is the tie breaking vote.

Issues such as who is a relevant witness (usually decided by a judge) is decided "solely" by the senate, as the federal rules of criminal/civil procedure to not apply unless the senate makes them part of their rules.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (JRaU+)

58 They really have nothing left do they? I mean, never mind the bottom of the barrel, they knocked out the boards and dug a tunnel underneath the barrel.
Posted by: Flyguy at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (3sOO0)
........

There's a tunnel underneath the Barrel? That's good to know.

Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (v0R5T)

59 Am I the only one that is disappointed Congress is raising the smoking age to 21?

Fucking soccer moms.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2019 03:06 PM (sjTfF)

60 These are not the acts of confident people.
Posted by: joncelli


Who? The Republicans? I agree.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:06 PM (vc6c9)

61 8 Let the red district Democrats kill it in the House.

It's their only move remaining that could remotely rescue the Democratic House in 2020.

And it probably wouldn't work anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 02:58 PM (q80AH)

========

Pelosi's courting of Cortez et. al. has put them between fire and flood: Impeach and you placate the hard left but hang a target on the back of practically every Dem in Trump districts. Fail to impeach (because red state dems killed it) and the hard left will absolutely lose their shit and go scorched earth on any dem to the right of Stalin. But that might, just might, give those red state dems enough "independent" cred to squeak by in 2020 if Pelosi leans on some of the donor class to shut of the money spigot to the hard left (I doubt she'd be all that successful). Would enough remain to keep the majority? I'm not optimistic for the dems.

Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 03:06 PM (rY+0U)

62
The first comment on that Flynn case update Tweet.
"Oh, the exculpatory evidence that proves your innocence? Yeah you can't use that"
While the Runway Impeachment Fraud Machine makes excuses and demands more cherry-picked "witnesses"...

8 years of Obama's lawlessness.


Here we are.

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:06 PM (93FI+)

63 Here's an idea - why don't they just mint a trillion dollar coin?

These people always try to be "clever."

Yes, let's impeach but not transmit.

That is not even a thing.

Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2019 03:06 PM (9VeU0)

64 51. That is correct Ace. The way that McConnel is crowing and posturing, I am going to guess he has 51 votes for whatever he wants. If he does not, then all bets are off.

Also, this is my first Ace reply, so I am honored!

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 16, 2019 03:06 PM (JRaU+)

65 Nuts: Clint Eastwood's "Richard Jewell" is a big bomb at the box office, despite almost universally strong reviews

Totally expected. It's like Gosnell. Mr. and Mrs. Average American non-Political Moviegoer looks at the description, especially at this time of year, and says nah, brah.

They don't want to see a depressing movie about an unfairly accused man any more than they were going to flock to a film about an abortion doctor/monster.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM (H9cB7)

66 The impeachment polls are underwater, and that's even after you remove the non-responses from Trump supporters who tell the pollsters to FOAD and then hang up.

Posted by: Roy at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM (cspJy)

67 51
>>>38 The Chief Justice is not in control of the process. This
has been done twice in our history, the CJs only role is to apply the
rules that the senate votes on. Even when the CJ acts, the senate can
overrule him with a simple majority.





thanks for clarifying. I was wondering if Schumer was hoping that
Roberts would direct these witensses to testify on his own authority,
ignoring the fact that the full Sup. Ct. usually decides matters of
executive privilege. But based on what you say, he can't.



Unless Romney, Murkowski, and collins flip. Which they could WILL.





Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (PbpT7)

FIFY Ace.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM (N39Ws)

68 "The House Totally Made a Convincing Case for Impeachment But Also We Totally Need to Call New Witnesses to Make the Case for Impeachment"

Translation: Democrats can only spank their monkey because the House doesn't have the votes for impeachment.

Posted by: If Nancy is a key holder she sucks at it at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM (4ceyg)

69 Fuckie Schmuckie Chuckie blow me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM (cEsBM)

70 >>i feel ashamed

Why? You gave a non-establishment GOP candidate an opportunity to reach your blog audience, back when there were 17 candidates. Having as a guest does not = agreement. It's the Left that likes to shut out non-establishment voices (see: Tulsi and Yang's treatment by MSM).

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM (bDqIh)

71 Am I the only one that is disappointed Congress is raising the smoking age to 21?

Fucking soccer moms.
Posted by: Blago


But kids are adult enough to vote at 16.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM (vc6c9)

72 Issues such as who is a relevant witness (usually decided by a judge) is decided "solely" by the senate, as the federal rules of criminal/civil procedure to not apply unless the senate makes them part of their rules.

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I'd say yes & no. Yes, in that the Senate is in charge. No in that the Constitution does give the CJ a seat at the impeachment trial. One could easily see Mitt, Collins, and Murk deferring to the CJ on certain matters. Allows them to virtue signal fairness and deflect accountability at the same time.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM (sX1BW)

73 42
The main reason impeachment is underwater is that no one for impeachment
can explain why they are impeaching other than Orangeman bad.

Not true. The reasons are Abuse of Power, and Obstruction of Congress, or possibly Abuse of Congress, and Obstruction of Power. I forget. Failure to Rewind is another possibility.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:08 PM (T6t7i)

74 56 O/T Greta put down her statement about putting people up against the wall to mistranslation of a Swedish saying. She did not give an example of a use that predates her own. I have failed to find any in my searches which admittedly were in English. Any morons know Swedish? And if so, is really such a Swedish saying?
Posted by: CtHillary, Dead but Dreaming... at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (JXKKq)

HOW DARE YOU?!?!

Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2019 03:08 PM (9VeU0)

75 I'm starting to seriously think that the push for impeachment was driven by the brainless weirdos in the democrat base who thought impeachment meant removal from office. These people have no knowledge of US civics or history or anything beyond basic shapes & colors. Schiff convinced Pelosi that the Ukraine phone call was a smoking gun, she gave the green light & by the time Trump released the transcript, it was too late to back down.

Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 03:08 PM (Izzlo)

76 If they permit this, they're finished.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (AzW6q)
+++++++++++
I don't think they will. I suspect they will go with the friendliest approach to all of the corrupt Washington critters: No trial at all. Just open the trial, call no witnesses, conclude proceedings and vote.

Impeachment fails, the Dems get to claim injustice in the Senate, the Rs get to bleat about the railroading in the House, no one's dirty laundry gets aired on either side and the Dem campaigns are uninterrupted.

It's a win/win for the state, and a loser for the people. It would be a cynical and self-serving way to proceed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:08 PM (I2dne)

77
TJM's right. The best play would be for red state Dems to kill it. The Party is terrified of the Leftist base after what happened in 2016.

But they need not be, now. Their incandescent hatred of Trump means they will lay all the blame on the moderate Demcucks, and vote their legislators back in anyway.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (AzW6q)

78 Chucky?

*types*

*deletes*

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (c1Tot)

79 Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 16, 2019 03:01 PM (JRaU+)

But he's also in charge of the FISA court which puts him square in the headlights of all the shenanigans and could be used to make him recuse himself and then WHO PRESIDES? And who picks the Presider?

That crap could wind up taking months to decide and either side could force it.

And you are correct about the votes but votes for procedures will be different politically than the vote for/not for a guilty finding. So it won't be as cut and dried on who will back what.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (PiE+K)

80 i feel ashamed

Posted by: ace

I once wore some cranberry colored Superdenims to 4th grade , got in a hurry to leave the bathroom and got a pee spot on my crotch that was there for hours. And cute girl Amy SAW IT.


Now THAT's shame.


Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (93FI+)

81 -
--
They don't want to see a depressing movie about an
unfairly accused man any more than they were going to flock to a film
about an abortion doctor/monster.


Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM

----------------------

I'm guessing Clint knew this but wanted to make the film anyway.

Posted by: irright at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (pMGkg)

82 When is the vote?

Posted by: MJ at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (gAMkn)

83 61
Pelosi's courting of Cortez et. al. has put them between fire and flood: Impeach and you placate the hard left but hang a target on the back of practically every Dem in Trump districts. Fail to impeach (because red state dems killed it) and the hard left will absolutely lose their shit and go scorched earth on any dem to the right of Stalin. But that might, just might, give those red state dems enough "independent" cred to squeak by in 2020 if Pelosi leans on some of the donor class to shut of the money spigot to the hard left (I doubt she'd be all that successful). Would enough remain to keep the majority? I'm not optimistic for the dems.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 03:06 PM (rY+0U)

==========

I find it hard to believe that there would be enough organizational ability and enough time to put together a bunch of primary challenges now, especially if the establishment is going to have the red district Democrats' backs.

I think most wouldn't see challengers manifest. Out of those that did manifest, most would be jokes. Out of those that weren't jokes, the Establishment could put forward the kind of message and money that would appeal to Democrats in red districts that let them keep the nomination.

Hell, even if the red district Democrats end up losing to Republicans, at least they wouldn't be adding to the Squad.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (q80AH)

84 56 O/T Greta put down her statement about putting people up against the wall to mistranslation of a Swedish saying. She did not give an example of a use that predates her own. I have failed to find any in my searches which admittedly were in English. Any morons know Swedish? And if so, is really such a Swedish saying?
Posted by: CtHillary, Dead but Dreaming... at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (JXKKq)

The Swedish Chef used to say it to the muppet chickens all the time.

Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (Izzlo)

85 I was going to applaud Greta's honesty and appreciation of how socialism works - if people don't agree with implementing socialism, line 'em up against the wall and give them the good news. I think that is really how she feels and she was probably surprised about the backlash, as history shows summary executions as the fastest path to a socialist form of government.

Posted by: CtHillary, Dead but Dreaming... at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (JXKKq)

86 Chanel Rion OAN @ChanelRion
REPORT: Artem Sytnyk, head of Ukraine's NABU, (central figure in Biden coverup) charged with corruption in Kyiv. Sources report he refuses to step down but is expected to be fired.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (BqBId)

87 Senator Schumer? You can have my answer now, if you like. My offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (ZLI7S)

88 >>i feel ashamed


Of all the shit you have shared with us, this is the one thing you feel shame about?

Posted by: garrett at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (zOZae)

89 Translation: Democrats can only spank their monkey because the House doesn't have the votes for impeachment.



Seriously? You don't think even the House has the votes?

Holy rake face.

Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (M0u+N)

90 46 Say what you want about McConnell, the man is a legislative and parliamentary genius. He is going to run circles around people like Cuck Schemer.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (VpIIl)
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The obvious response is "If these people were so important, why didn't the House slow down and wait for a court ruling?

Posted by: WisRich at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (G0vdT)

91 I was going to applaud Greta's honesty and appreciation of how socialism works - if people don't agree with implementing socialism, line 'em up against the wall and give them the good news. I think that is really how she feels and she was probably surprised about the backlash, as history shows summary executions as the fastest path to a socialist form of government.
Posted by: CtHillary, Dead but Dreaming... at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (JXKKq)




Klimafuhrer

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (HALdu)

92 does nanzi take her teeth out when she blows chuckie? that's the shit we need to know. does she throw her tits over her shoulders?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (KP5rU)

93 75 I'm starting to seriously think that the push for impeachment was driven by the brainless weirdos in the democrat base who thought impeachment meant removal from office. These people have no knowledge of US civics or history or anything beyond basic shapes & colors. Schiff convinced Pelosi that the Ukraine phone call was a smoking gun, she gave the green light & by the time Trump released the transcript, it was too late to back down.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 03:08 PM (Izzlo)

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Don't forget Tom Steyer's money.

He's all about "term limits" now, but he first put his money down ($50 million was the total, if I remember correctly) designed to force Democrats to support impeachment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:11 PM (q80AH)

94 i feel ashamed
Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (PbpT7)

Why? I was on her bandwagon for a while based on incomplete information. She doesn't even crack my top 10 of misjudgments.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 16, 2019 03:11 PM (y7DUB)

95 31,
"Cite the Democrats history of submitting incomplete bills with placeholder text as an example that the Senate does not need a complete bill to vote on it."

What, the old deemed as passed that Nancy Pelosi liked in the Obama years?

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2019 03:11 PM (MwILh)

96 81 -
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They don't want to see a depressing movie about an
unfairly accused man any more than they were going to flock to a film
about an abortion doctor/monster.


Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:07 PM

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I'm guessing Clint knew this but wanted to make the film anyway.

Posted by: irright at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (pMGkg)

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That's why he's the man: he don't give a shit, he's gonna put it out there and that's that.

Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 03:11 PM (rY+0U)

97 77
TJM's right. The best play would be for red state Dems to kill it. The Party is terrified of the Leftist base after what happened in 2016.

But they need not be, now. Their incandescent hatred of Trump means they will lay all the blame on the moderate Demcucks, and vote their legislators back in anyway.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (AzW6q)

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Assuming the primary doesn't turn into a giant replay of 2016 where the leftist candidate is obviously screwed over by the Establishment, the activist left will come home to vote against Literally Hitler.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:11 PM (q80AH)

98 Nancy is gonna take the hindenberg out for one last ride.

The Hindenburg is no more.

She's gonna hafta ride Nadler.

Posted by: JT at December 16, 2019 03:11 PM (arJlL)

99 You want a fair trial? You're a Democrat, you wouldn't know what it is.

Posted by: FloridaMan at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (OFz7E)

100 Tribe has been working with Dems all along. This isn't "BREAKING". It's been planned. Explains why Pelosi finally went along with moving forward on impeachment. Get the House to Impeach, then create an scenario where it is impossible for Trump to be acquitted.

Posted by: dave at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (xgg9w)

101 Byron York. Not on our side, yes? Cause I want to put together an accurate enemies list.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (90T4r)

102 I know Chuck isn't much of a student of English or Math (or much else, really), but I'd like to point out that when you're the minority party, that means you don't have enough people to win a vote. So you're not making "demands," you're making "requests."

Posted by: Ted K. at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (FJYfm)

103 Just got the news on Flynn.


Where is our next assignment?

Posted by: Mobile Goal Posts at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (UU64l)

104 89 Translation: Democrats can only spank their monkey because the House doesn't have the votes for impeachment.



Seriously? You don't think even the House has the votes?

Holy rake face.
Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (M0u+N)

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Supposition:

This is the activist Left begging the moderate members to vote for impeachment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (q80AH)

105 The Senate trial will be whatever McConnell, Graham, and Trump deem to be in their best political interest. Chuck Schumer's concerns are:

[ ] Noted
[ ] Not Noted
[X] Used For Comic Relief

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (hLRSq)

106 Was Carly the witch? Don't remember.

Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (M0u+N)

107 >>I'm starting to seriously think that the push for impeachment was driven
by the brainless weirdos in the democrat base who thought impeachment
meant removal from office. . .

In addition to Tom Steyer, it was pushed by the MEDIA, and by whoever is behind people like Maxine Waters - Clinton and Obama, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (bDqIh)

108 What's this I hear about people changing potty affiliation? Is this about those transgender bathrooms?




Never mind.

Posted by: Emily Litella at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (IttZ7)

109 Tribe has never NOT been working for the Democrats.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (JRaU+)

110 Fun Fact: "String 'em up!" in the original Swedish is a folksy aphorism that means roughly "Knit them a nice sweater!"

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (m45I2)

111 Schumer may be the most despicable Senator ever. Other leftist in Congress, well, forgive them, they know not what they do. But Smarmy Schumer always knows exactly what he is doing. He is the essence of Demunist Evil.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (ujg0T)

112
Trump has upset Chucky Schumer's owners, the Deep State and the Foreign powers who hate America, like George Soros.

Anything that comes from his mouth is barf. Worse than lies, they are anti-American propaganda. He is a tool of the anti-American forces, both domestically and internationally.

Chucky should someday be swinging at the short end of a traitor's hangman noose.

Along with a number of other traitors to America.



On a related note, ammo is a great Christmas gift!


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (sy5kK)

113 83 61
Pelosi's courting of Cortez et. al. has put them between fire and flood: Impeach and you placate the hard left but hang a target on the back of practically every Dem in Trump districts. Fail to impeach (because red state dems killed it) and the hard left will absolutely lose their shit and go scorched earth on any dem to the right of Stalin. But that might, just might, give those red state dems enough "independent" cred to squeak by in 2020 if Pelosi leans on some of the donor class to shut of the money spigot to the hard left (I doubt she'd be all that successful). Would enough remain to keep the majority? I'm not optimistic for the dems.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 03:06 PM (rY+0U)

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I find it hard to believe that there would be enough organizational ability and enough time to put together a bunch of primary challenges now, especially if the establishment is going to have the red district Democrats' backs.

I think most wouldn't see challengers manifest. Out of those that did manifest, most would be jokes. Out of those that weren't jokes, the Establishment could put forward the kind of message and money that would appeal to Democrats in red districts that let them keep the nomination.

Hell, even if the red district Democrats end up losing to Republicans, at least they wouldn't be adding to the Squad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (q80AH)

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The whackos have a fuckton of Si Valley cash to play with: that can cause a lot of chaos in some districts with the wine moms.

Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (rY+0U)

114 This is a really clumsily handled revolution. It is comedy opera revolution, a farce in three acts.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (90T4r)

115 103 Just got the news on Flynn.


Where is our next assignment?
Posted by: Mobile Goal Posts at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (UU64l)
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What did you hear?

Posted by: WisRich at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (G0vdT)

116 The fact that Schumer picked Weiner as his protege is everything you need to know about Schumer.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (HALdu)

117 106 Was Carly the witch? Don't remember.
Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 03:12 PM (M0u+N)

No, Carly is the one that killed the once great HP.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (kUmUV)

118 Keep the Senate trial short. Why in the h*ll should McConnell call any more witnesses than the House did?

Posted by: FloridaMan at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (OFz7E)

119 They are going to allude to impeachment?

Posted by: klaftern at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (RuIsu)

120 29
heh Carly Fiorina.

I remember her from a podcast, long long ago...


Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:03 PM (93FI+)
I'm beginning to doubt my ability to judge people's character. I was a big fan of hers at least early on.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (N39Ws)

121 >>>101 Byron York. Not on our side, yes? Cause I want to put together an accurate enemies list.


york is totally on our side. Good man.

Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (PbpT7)

122 My name is Cryin' Chucky and I'm a lie-a-holic..

Bwahahaha - good job Chukie! Now commence to fucking yourself with this flamin' barbed pineapple.............sideways twice.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (lwKRt)

123 We're supposed to have a sense of shame around here? When did THAT happen?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (RD7QR)

124 113 The whackos have a fuckton of Si Valley cash to play with: that can cause a lot of chaos in some districts with the wine moms.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (rY+0U)

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Yeah, I purposefully didn't mention money because I knew that it would flow wherever.

But that doesn't buy expired filing deadlines, or any sort of knowledge of the district, or name recognition.

Money's big, but it ain't everything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (q80AH)

125 72. I see what you are saying, and through that lens, you not not wrong. But, you also say that, through a majority, the senate could empower the CJ, which is obviously true. I am saying the CJ is not automatically empowered as a judge normally is, as the trial is. A1,S2 gives the senate exclusive authority.

This means that pre-existing laws, such as our very familiar Federal Rules of Evidence, do not automatically apply unless the senate incorporates them into the rules. And they can overrule the CJ with enough votes (should they have them).

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (JRaU+)

126 21 Cuck Schemer is a buffoon. He looks like a retarded Charlie Chaplin standing next to that talking, slippery denture corpse, Nanzy Foolosi.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 16, 2019 03:01 PM (VpIIl)


Must disagree either. Other Leftists are buffoons. Schumer is smarmy and cleverly evil.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (ujg0T)

127 York is the only one at the C**ked-Out Washington Examiner worth a damn.

Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (PbpT7)

128 I'm guessing we're about 4 hours away from from some CNN guest demanding the Senate be disbanded because Dems don't presently control it.

Only real question is whether the CNN guest demands Senate representation be proportional to population or something more like the House of Lords ... but the entrance requirement being you must be a university professor (humanities and social sciences only) and/or James Comey.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (hdzef)

129 >>york is totally on our side. Good man.


...and thorough.

Posted by: Maude Lebowski at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (zOZae)

130 She's gonna hafta ride Nadler.


*******

Heavier than air flight contradicts all the known laws of physics.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (m45I2)

131 116 The fact that Schumer picked Weiner as his protege is everything you need to know about Schumer.
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (HALdu)

When you have a Weiner, for a protege, you know you are a cuck.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (90T4r)

132 118
Keep the Senate trial short. Why in the h*ll should McConnell call any more witnesses than the House did?

Posted by: FloridaMan at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (OFz7E)

I want them to take the opportunity and expose -for the record - just how corrupt Schiff/Nadler/Dems are. Will it matter in the 2020 elections? Probably not. But it will go down in the Congressional record where they were exposed for this coup attempt.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (N39Ws)

133 am i the only one who wants to shove those glasses up schumer's ass sideways? nice plugs, bitch.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (KP5rU)

134 Michael Flynn, the Army general who briefly served as President Donald Trumps first national security advisor, will be sentenced for lying to the FBI on Jan. 28, a judge said Monday.

The sentencing date was set after Judge Emmet Sullivan rejected Flynns repeated requests to compel prosecutors to turn over additional evidence in his criminal case.

????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)

135 The Swedish SA/SS guys said it

Posted by: Jean at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (t1ckn)

136 Carly Fiorina the womand that destroyed Lucent nearly singlehandedly

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (HALdu)

137 york is totally on our side. Good man.

Posted by: ace

And a nice guy, if my interaction with him on a train is any indication. However, he really needs to reconsider that haircut.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:16 PM (T6t7i)

138 87 Senator Schumer? You can have my answer now, if you like. My offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (ZLI7S)
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Senator Jefferson Smith > Senator Mitch McConnell > Senator Pat Geary > Amy Schumer> Senator Chuck Schumer

Posted by: theATL at December 16, 2019 03:16 PM (yFgwo)

139
When I said "kill the outliers," it was a reference to stats analysis on climate change, you dum-dums.

When I said "then hunt down and eliminate the widows and orphans," i was talking about typography cleanup in the IPCC report.

Stop stealing my words!!

Posted by: GRETA THUNDERBORG at December 16, 2019 03:16 PM (AzW6q)

140 Heavier than air flight contradicts all the known laws of physics.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (m45I2)
+++++++++++++
We'd like to have a word with you.

Posted by: Wilbur and Orville Wright at December 16, 2019 03:16 PM (I2dne)

141 I don't want your witnesses, just my witnesses, because, only fair.

Posted by: Chuckie Schumer at December 16, 2019 03:16 PM (xSo9G)

142 >>Heavier than air flight contradicts all the known laws of physics.


That's only because he's allowed to off-gas.

Posted by: garrett at December 16, 2019 03:16 PM (zOZae)

143 I'm guessing Clint knew this but wanted to make the film anyway.

Posted by: irright at December 16, 2019 03:09 PM (pMGkg)

Oh, absolutely. Not disputing that at all. Just saying that to expect a film called Jewell to rake in the mega-bucks like the latest Hollyweird holiday blockbusters was always wishful thinking.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:16 PM (H9cB7)

144 No one can ride Nadler, they slide off the gunt.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:16 PM (HALdu)

145 121 >>>101 Byron York. Not on our side, yes? Cause I want to put together an accurate enemies list.


york is totally on our side. Good man.
Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (PbpT7)

Thank you ace. I was tending towards guilt by association. ( York goes to allies list).

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:17 PM (90T4r)

146 Heavier than air flight contradicts all the known laws of physics.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (m45I2)
+++++++++++++
We'd like to have a word with you.
Posted by: Wilbur and Orville Wright
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Harrumph!

Posted by: Bernoulli and Venturi at December 16, 2019 03:17 PM (xSo9G)

147 The sentencing date was set after Judge Emmet Sullivan rejected Flynns repeated requests to compel prosecutors to turn over additional evidence in his criminal case. 

????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)

Did you have a question?

Posted by: Barr at December 16, 2019 03:17 PM (UU64l)

148 I'm beginning to doubt my ability to judge people's character. I was a big fan of hers at least early on.

In fairness, we were all still seeing the universe through the Conservative, Inc. lens that we had been trained to look through.

And our donor class superiors knew exactly which buttons to push in order to win our brief affection , if not our trust.

The Great Unmasking began when Trump began to talk about all those nasty little truths that no one else would say publicly.


And even PDT has had trouble with personnel selection.


Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:17 PM (93FI+)

149 146 Heavier than air flight contradicts all the known laws of physics.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (m45I2)
+++++++++++++
We'd like to have a word with you.
Posted by: Wilbur and Orville Wright
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Harrumph!
Posted by: Bernoulli and Venturi at December 16, 2019 03:17 PM (xSo9G)

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"I shall destroy these flying monsters!"
-Beowulf

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (q80AH)

150 Stop stealing my words!!

Posted by: GRETA THUNDERBORG at December 16, 2019 03:16 PM (AzW6q)

Well done.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (1CjJc)

151 98
Nancy is gonna take the hindenberg out for one last ride.



The Hindenburg is no more.



She's gonna hafta ride Nadler.

Posted by: JT at December 16, 2019 03:11 PM (arJlL)

Hydrogen was clean burning.... don't want to know what gasses a Nadler is full of.

Posted by: henry at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (JMDly)

152 That's only because he's allowed to off-gas.





Posted by: garrett

Just don't let him near any open flames.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (T6t7i)

153 That's why he's the man: he don't give a shit, he's gonna put it out there and that's that.
Posted by: Jackal

a film's impact on culture can be bigger than it's box office.

Richard Jewell didn't frame himself.

Posted by: x at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (nFwvY)

154 Get the House to Impeach, then create an scenario where it is impossible for Trump to be acquitted.

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Mitch saw through this gambit months ago. He has insisted that once the House impeaches, the Senate must have a trial. Not once we receive the bill from the House.

Give Mitch credit. He swatted this down months ago.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (sX1BW)

155 The sentencing date was set after Judge Emmet Sullivan rejected Flynns repeated requests to compel prosecutors to turn over additional evidence in his criminal case.

????
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)
++++++++++++++
Per my understanding:

* Flynn's lawyers wanted to compel the turnover of what they think is exculpatory material.
* The State said, "Nah, bro, ain't gonna do it."
* The judge said, "Sounds good, State" and then set a sentencing date.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)

156 ????
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)

da fuq!

Posted by: vmom and the book thief haters club at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (G546f)

157 Sounds like the Dems in the House are . . . what's the word?

Oh, yeah.

Stalling.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (Ejm1K)

158 Rick Wilson was on the podcast, for God's sake. It is not like we hold HIM any more against you than Carly.

People are assholes. That happens whether they are on a podcast or not. Podcast=/=endorsement in perpetuity.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (ycWCI)

159 Dunno what all this means, but Judge Sullivan, the judge presiding over the Gen Flynn fiasco, has denied Flynn's motion to compel Brady material ie the exculpatory stuff that the DOJ's hiding. Flynn will have his sentencing hearing at the end of January.

https://tinyurl.com/wo86vvz

Seems like an L for Flynn, despite his new lawyer's best efforts.

Posted by: The Institute at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (LhK3i)

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That would be even more proof of the Deep State punishing anyone who dares make a peep against it and more reason to vote against Dems.

On the other hand, the nightmare procedure will at least be over and then Trump can pardon him.

How far has the system deteriorated that the only justice the non-favored can hope for is a presidential pardon?

Posted by: Decaf at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (xarPm)

160 york is totally on our side. Good man.
Posted by: ace
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Mostly. I begrudge him his hair.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (CDGwz)

161 I'm telling him your talking shit about his haircut.

Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (M0u+N)

162
I noticed that most of the prominent Leftoid Twitter accounts have been purged of the dissenting views and ridicule that used to be so copious. Happened several months ago. Nobody left but the delusional TDS shriekers.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 16, 2019 03:19 PM (CMzwe)

163 -
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She's gonna hafta ride Nadler.





*******



Heavier than air flight contradicts all the known laws of physics.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM

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I see you are unaware of the volume of my gas production.

Posted by: Jerry "Old Fartful" Nadler at December 16, 2019 03:19 PM (pMGkg)

164 So who is running the hot new ban porn campaign?

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:19 PM (HALdu)

165 >>Mostly. I begrudge him his hair.

The cut or just it's existence?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (ZLI7S)

166 "Seems like an L for Flynn, despite his new lawyer's best efforts."

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How far has everything deteriorated when the only hope of justice for the unfavored is a presidential pardon?

Posted by: Decaf at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (xarPm)

167 Can there be a better personification of the utter uselessness of the California Republican Party than Carly Fiorina?

Oh, and UpChuck? lolgf.

Posted by: DocJ at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (77WPm)

168 Can't Trump just pardon Flynn already?

Posted by: vmom and the book thief haters club at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (G546f)

169
She's gonna hafta ride Nadler.

Only if she can dislocate both hips.

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (93FI+)

170 124 113 The whackos have a fuckton of Si Valley cash to play with: that can cause a lot of chaos in some districts with the wine moms.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 03:13 PM (rY+0U)

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Yeah, I purposefully didn't mention money because I knew that it would flow wherever.

But that doesn't buy expired filing deadlines, or any sort of knowledge of the district, or name recognition.

Money's big, but it ain't everything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (q80AH)

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There's certainly a time crunch, but I doubt filing deadline are less than a couple of months out. Name recog'n and district knowledge, I'll grant you those can make things a bit more complicated. It'll all depend on whether Pelosi et. al. can get the tech sector gazillionaires to stand down from supplying money and expertise to the Cortez sector of the party.

Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (rY+0U)

171 Hydrogen was clean burning.... don't want to know what gasses a Nadler is full of.

Sweet Lady Propane.

Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (M0u+N)

172 Captain Ahab was once a good captain, he knew how to run a ship & hunt whales. But he lost his mind when it came to the White Whale. Pelosi may have been a smart politician, but Trump is her Orange Whale.

Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (Izzlo)

173 >>>158 Rick Wilson was on the podcast, for God's sake. It is not like we hold HIM any more against you than Carly.


was he? I'm not sure of that. I don't remember that, and I don't know what I'd talk to his short fat dumpy ass about.

Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (PbpT7)

174 Mostly. I begrudge him his hair.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (CDGwz)




Byron York? You would think he is praying for the sweet release of baldness.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (HALdu)

175 What would be best for America, a long, drawn out Senate Trial.

So, don't hold yer breath. There are plenty of Republicans (apparently) balls deep in the Ukraine money laundering operation, er, "conspiracy theory" that everyone knows about, but Shall Never Speak Of This Again.

What needs to happen is to utterly expose these charlatans and grifters regardless of party, break on through the public fatigue, and get them highly and utterly pissed off and outraged.

I mean, more than they already are. Pretty much white hot rage at this point. Americans want it all to "go away" only insofar none of the perpetrators have been indicted much less locked up. Worse, they are free to move about the country, the world, write books, enjoy their taxpayer funded pensions, and network TV gigs.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (hptIz)

176 We'd like to have a word with you.
Posted by: Wilbur and Orville Wright

********

I knew you two would provide some blowback. What did you manage? 175 feet or so? Pffftt.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:21 PM (m45I2)

177 york is totally on our side. Good man.
Posted by: ace
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Mostly. I begrudge him his hair.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (CDGwz)

161 I'm telling him your talking shit about his haircut.
Posted by: eleven
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It's not the haircut, per se, it's the sheer volume and thickness.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, with thinning hair at December 16, 2019 03:21 PM (aKxkI)

178 Richard Jewell didn't frame himself.

Posted by: x at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (nFwvY)

Doing gingerbread houses this weekend, my apolitical teen nephew put in icing, "Epstein did not kill himself" on the roof, if that is any indication of the penetration of the idea of government corruption.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:21 PM (1CjJc)

179 149 146 Heavier than air flight contradicts all the known laws of physics.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (m45I2)
+++++++++++++
We'd like to have a word with you.
Posted by: Wilbur and Orville Wright
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Harrumph!
Posted by: Bernoulli and Venturi at December 16, 2019 03:17 PM (xSo9G)

=========

"I shall destroy these flying monsters!"
-Beowulf

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:18 PM (q80AH)


FUS RO DAH!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 16, 2019 03:21 PM (hLRSq)

180 how many dems are saying Trump can't sign the funding authorization bill because he's under a cloud of impeachment?

Posted by: x at December 16, 2019 03:21 PM (nFwvY)

181
Chuck Schumer, after being out of the TV cameras for a while, now speaks up.

This entire foolish charade was a set up by his Deep State tool in the house, Adam Schiff. Schiff ignored not only the basic tenants of the US Constitution, but of the Magna Carta.

The word you are looking for is "scam".

It reminds me of a losing NFL team with bad running backs. One starts, fumbles the ball a few times, and is benched. Then, the next running back comes in, looks ok for a couple of games, then starts fumbling.

This continues again and again, until all the running backs have proven themselves incompetent.

So, the coach starts the loser Schumer again. Who immediately fumbles in his next start.

This is why we are seeing Schumer on the TV talk shows again, Progda has run through their entire bench, and Schumer seems a better choice in comparison.

On the Sunday shows, Schumer fumbled the ball once again.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:22 PM (sy5kK)

182 164
So who is running the hot new ban porn campaign?

I don't know, but if you haven't, you should read the link at the end of the Morning Report. It's a pretty good summary of the state of the science, and to some extent, the social science.

Bottom line: there are lots of reasons to conclude that it isn't good for individuals or society as a whole. Busty lesbian pron is especially contraindicated.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:22 PM (T6t7i)

183 Jennifer Idiocy Rubin just said something on MSNBC that is beyond idiocy. She said that if McConnell and the other Republican Senators do not agree to hold a fair Senate trial, one that Nancy Pelosi and Chuckles Schumer consider fair, Nancy should threaten to hold-off on the impeachment vote until McConnell caves. Alrighty then, that threat would scare McConnell and Trump to death, no doubt about it!

Posted by: Gref at December 16, 2019 03:22 PM (AMIL/)

184 Sweet Lady Propane.
Posted by: eleven
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Methane, half-digested bean soup from the Senate Cafeteria.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, with thinning hair at December 16, 2019 03:22 PM (xSo9G)

185 Bottom line: there are lots of reasons to conclude that it isn't good
for individuals or society as a whole. Busty lesbian pron is especially
contraindicated.

Link(s)?

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:23 PM (93FI+)

186 Michael Flynn, the Army general who briefly served as President Donald Trumps first national security advisor, will be sentenced for lying to the FBI on Jan. 28, a judge said Monday.

The sentencing date was set after Judge Emmet Sullivan rejected Flynns repeated requests to compel prosecutors to turn over additional evidence in his criminal case.

????
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)

As I recall Judge Sullivan granted the motion to postpone until after the IG's report was released in case that shed light on the Flynn set up. Now that its out, I guesss there wasn't enuf in it related to Flynn to require further hearings or delays, or alternatively, he's seen all he needs to see.

Posted by: LASue at December 16, 2019 03:23 PM (Ed8Zd)

187 was he? I'm not sure of that. I don't remember that, and I don't know what I'd talk to his short fat dumpy ass about.
Posted by: ace at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (PbpT7)


That was the special "How To Get Rich While Losing Elections" podcast.

Posted by: Ted K. at December 16, 2019 03:23 PM (FJYfm)

188 She's gonna hafta ride Nadler.


********

♫♫♪
I done been seen most everything
But I ain't seen an elephant fly!

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:23 PM (m45I2)

189 50 The interesting part comes when they call Biden to testify, and he refuses to show up.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019

*
*

Or is found wandering the Mall talking to himself.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 16, 2019 03:23 PM (Ejm1K)

190 i feel ashamed


Of all the shit you have shared with us, this is the one thing you feel shame about?

Posted by: garrett


Yeah. "Something something a deer".

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:23 PM (vc6c9)

191
Doing gingerbread houses this weekend, my apolitical teen nephew put in icing, "Epstein did not kill himself" on the roof, if that is any indication of the penetration of the idea of government corruption.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:21 PM (1CjJc)


Smart nephew!

give him ammo for Christmas!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:23 PM (sy5kK)

192 Yeah, I purposefully didn't mention money because I knew that it would flow wherever.

But that doesn't buy expired filing deadlines, or any sort of knowledge of the district, or name recognition.

Money's big, but it ain't everything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:14 PM (q80AH)



Mentioned before, but Bloomberg and Steyer are both buying shedloads of California TV ads. One interesting difference: Bloomberg is *playing down* how much of a Commiecrat he is, focusing upon his business acumen and how he can work with all sorts of people. Steyer is playing up his Demunist aspects, boasting about how he hates the NRA and how he "will work to promote people of color" -- literally, those very leftist buzzwords in his TV spots.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:23 PM (ujg0T)

193 How far has everything deteriorated when the only hope of justice for the unfavored is a presidential pardon?
Posted by: Decaf at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (xarPm)

Yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (cEsBM)

194 Jennifer Idiocy Rubin just said something on MSNBC that is beyond idiocy. She said that if McConnell and the other Republican Senators do not agree to hold a fair Senate trial, one that Nancy Pelosi and Chuckles Schumer consider fair, Nancy should threaten to hold-off on the impeachment vote until McConnell caves. Alrighty then, that threat would scare McConnell and Trump to death, no doubt about it!
Posted by: Gref at December 16, 2019 03:22 PM (AMIL/)

OH NO! Not the briar patch!!!!

Posted by: LASue at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (Ed8Zd)

195 >>Bottom line: there are lots of reasons to conclude that it isn't good for individuals or society as a whole.


Well, neither is the 19th amendment.

...and we aren't going back, now.

Posted by: garrett at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (zOZae)

196 So who is running the hot new ban porn campaign?

I don't know, but if you haven't, you should read the link at the end of the Morning Report. It's a pretty good summary of the state of the science, and to some extent, the social science.

Bottom line: there are lots of reasons to conclude that it isn't good for individuals or society as a whole. Busty lesbian pron is especially contraindicated.
Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:22 PM (T6t7i)



Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't care if someone's kid watched so much porn he went gay. Unless someone is going to explain their mechanism for banning porn they need to go away.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (HALdu)

197 The interesting part comes when they call Biden to testify, and he refuses to show up.
Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (T6t7i)
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Which is why they won't call him. That would be a public power struggle they don't want to have.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (I2dne)

198 171
Hydrogen was clean burning.... don't want to know what gasses a Nadler is full of.



Sweet Lady Propane.

Posted by: eleven

Methyl mercaptan.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (T6t7i)

199 She said that if McConnell and the other Republican Senators do not agree to hold a fair Senate trial, one that Nancy Pelosi and Chuckles Schumer consider fair, Nancy should threaten to hold-off on the impeachment vote until McConnell caves.

---------------

May be the smartest thing Rubin has said in a long while - ever.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (sX1BW)

200 Cannot decide if a drawn out, or a short, Senate trial is better for our side. Pluses and minuses for both. I find myself trusting Mitch on this. Hope he does not break my heart.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (90T4r)

201 Anyone concerned that impeachment is barely underwater only now and that there are still recent polls that show support in favor. Republicans are terrible at messaging.

Posted by: Keyser at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (rhq1x)

202 59 Am I the only one that is disappointed Congress is raising the smoking age to 21?

Fucking soccer moms.

Posted by: Blago
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I blistered Todd Young when I found out he was one of the co-sponsors to this shit sammich as I told him that if folks 18 and older we old enough to vote and serve their country then they damn sure old enough to make a decision on whether to smoke or not and it isn't up to Big Nanny to dictate otherwise and he replied "but muh families or some shit" and I gave it back to him twice as hard by citing he was exactly the reason why we are slowly moving towards the totalitarian state that the Gimmedats are trying to get to: what to watch, what to think, what to wear, who to vote for, who old that I as an ADULT has to be to decide to smoke or not, etc.. and he didn't reply to that one. Fucker..

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (lwKRt)

203 Fun fact: The closest expression to "genocide" in Swedish is "hygge."

Posted by: CtHillary, Dead but Dreaming... at December 16, 2019 03:25 PM (JXKKq)

204 Well, neither is the 19th amendment.



...and we aren't going back, now.

Posted by: garrett at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (zOZae)

You're not putting that bottle back in the Genie.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:25 PM (1CjJc)

205 my dream is that at the Flynn sentencing, the Judge throws the prosecution into jail

Posted by: vmom and the book thief haters club at December 16, 2019 03:25 PM (G546f)

206 Of all the shit you have shared with us, this is the one thing you feel shame about?

---
Yeah. "Something something a deer".

"flaming clown boners"

"Bearf*ckers: The Reality Show"

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:25 PM (93FI+)

207 Response rates for phone polls fell to a new low recently, as (I presume) Republicans/Centrists stop responding to polls; so if anything, these polls may way understate the disgust over impeachment and hate for Democrats.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 16, 2019 03:25 PM (NVYyb)

208 Schumer...fuck that motherfucker in particular.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 03:26 PM (nNPAz)

209 Going with the vote-n-hold in the house would not serve Ds well. It should be said: See, this was all just a waste of time and money just to have the "I" by Trump's name, not give him a chance of acquittal. Please Ds. . . . listen to Larry Tribe.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 16, 2019 03:26 PM (zVXtJ)

210 Can we go ahead and Gulag Jen after the election? I find her particularly repulsive.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:26 PM (90T4r)

211 She's gonna hafta ride Nadler.
.........

If his lap band snaps she'll be the first woman on the moon.

Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 03:27 PM (v0R5T)

212 So who is running the hot new ban porn campaign?

I don't know, but if you haven't, you should read the link at the end of the Morning Report. It's a pretty good summary of the state of the science, and to some extent, the social science.

Bottom line: there are lots of reasons to conclude that it isn't good for individuals or society as a whole. Busty lesbian pron is especially contraindicated.
Posted by: pep


WAG. The scientists? They haven't had pussy since pussy had them. Correct?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:27 PM (vc6c9)

213
185
Bottom line: there are lots of reasons to conclude that it isn't good

for individuals or society as a whole. Busty lesbian pron is especially

contraindicated.

Link(s)?


Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis

https://tinyurl.com/w3rbjm4
Full disclosure: I may have made up the part about BLP.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:27 PM (T6t7i)

214
Response rates for phone polls fell to a new low recently, as (I presume) Republicans/Centrists stop responding to polls

Epstein Did Not Poll Himself

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:27 PM (93FI+)

215
Any mechanism for "banning" "porn" would involve government censorship of the internet. If we give them that authority, it will be misused immediately.

Have we learned nothing from the Patriot Act? Even as it's been twisted and deformed to enable a coup against the President?

Why would anyone countenance giving this corrupt, power-crazed government MOAR SWEEPING POWERS in this environment?

Posted by: GRETA THUNDERBORG at December 16, 2019 03:27 PM (AzW6q)

216 Unless someone is going to explain their mechanism for banning porn they need to go away.
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (HALdu)

It's like trying to ban air. Any half-decent artist with a pencil and paper can make porn.

Trying to ban porn would make a gun ban (already a ludicrous idea due to the common nature of materials and mechanical skills required to make one) look easy by comparison.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (J+mig)

217 Why is Pedo Van Tribe so popular on Twitter? Just kidding..... asked and answered.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (iLaBB)

218 as my old boss used to say,"we have reached the crux of the precipice." then he would laugh like dr. evil. i would laugh too. everybody else sat around with their mouths wide open.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (KP5rU)

219 Full disclosure: I may have made up the part about BLP.
Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:27 PM (T6t7i)




That's ok, they made up the science.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (HALdu)

220 my dream is that at the Flynn sentencing, the Judge throws the prosecution into jail
Posted by: vmom and the book thief haters club at December 16, 2019 03:25 PM (G546f)

Well, that's not gonna happen. This particular Clinton appointee has quite a record of allowing prosecutors to withhold Brady information.

On appeal, I have to believe Flynn's team will demand a change of venue, arguing that there is no conceivable way he can receive a fair hearing inside DC.

Posted by: DocJ at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (77WPm)

221 Bottom line: there are lots of reasons to conclude that it isn't good for individuals or society as a whole. Busty lesbian pron is especially contraindicated.
Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:22 PM (T6t7i)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't care if someone's kid watched so much porn he went gay she went lesbian. Unless someone is going to explain their mechanism for banning porn they need to go away.
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (HALdu)


Fixing.....

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (ujg0T)

222 So, is it at all possible that the anomalous Fox News Poll is actually being influenced by Pro-Trump people wishing for impeachment because it will be so destructive to the Democrat Party?

Posted by: Nelson at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (PxdrF)

223 The internet, she is for porn. I read that, on the internet.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (90T4r)

224 From the David French cuck files: "I've got my panties in such a bunch, my raisin testicles have fallen off"

David French
@DavidAFrench

He's a continual embarrassment. He's juvenile. He's ignorant. He's unfit. And every Republican in America would be freaking out if a Democratic president uncorked a schoolyard insult like this.

David French added, Retweeted Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Because Nancy's teeth were falling out of her mouth, and she didn't have time to think!

10:19 PM-15 Dec 2019

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (FBrfY)

225 Going with the vote-n-hold in the house would not serve Ds well. It should be said: See, this was all just a waste of time and money just to have the "I" by Trump's name, not give him a chance of acquittal. Please Ds. . . . listen to Larry Tribe.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal


And then Mitch says, "you voted. The vote is recorded. We don't need your piece of paer to proceed. Game on!"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (vc6c9)

226 *scoldilocks sock off*

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (AzW6q)

227 199 She said that if McConnell and the other Republican Senators do not agree to hold a fair Senate trial, one that Nancy Pelosi and Chuckles Schumer consider fair, Nancy should threaten to hold-off on the impeachment vote until McConnell caves.

---------------

May be the smartest thing Rubin has said in a long while - ever.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (sX1BW)
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Must be part of the Liberal elite brain trust.

Posted by: WisRich at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (G0vdT)

228 Mentioned before, but Bloomberg and Steyer are both buying shedloads of California TV ads. One interesting difference: Bloomberg is *playing down* how much of a Commiecrat he is, focusing upon his business acumen and how he can work with all sorts of people. Steyer is playing up his Demunist aspects, boasting about how he hates the NRA and how he "will work to promote people of color" -- literally, those very leftist buzzwords in his TV spots.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:23 PM (ujg0T)

Just saw a Steyer ad in the DC area.

Term Limits. That was what he was pimping. Term limits.

Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (9VeU0)

229 183 Jennifer Idiocy Rubin just said something on MSNBC that is beyond idiocy. She said that if McConnell and the other Republican Senators do not agree to hold a fair Senate trial, one that Nancy Pelosi and Chuckles Schumer consider fair, Nancy should threaten to hold-off on the impeachment vote until McConnell caves. Alrighty then, that threat would scare McConnell and Trump to death, no doubt about it!
Posted by: Gref at December 16, 2019 03:22 PM (AMIL/)


Statements like that make me hold out hope that when this is all over, Ms. Rubin turns out to be a double agent.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (ujg0T)

230 Indeed, it is so compelling that I now
believe that online porn addiction is the number one public health
challenge facing the West today.


Strong opener.

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (93FI+)

231 211
She's gonna hafta ride Nadler.

.........



If his lap band snaps she'll be the first woman on the moon.

Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 03:27 PM (v0R5T)



This is why this is the best little Smart Military Blog on the Internet....

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (IttZ7)

232 216 Unless someone is going to explain their mechanism for banning porn they need to go away.
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (HALdu)

It's like trying to ban air. Any half-decent artist with a pencil and paper can make porn.

Trying to ban porn would make a gun ban (already a ludicrous idea due to the common nature of materials and mechanical skills required to make one) look easy by comparison.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (J+mig)


See: Pompeii.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (90T4r)

233 The True Conservative Case For Letting Left-Wing Radical Congresscritters Fully Dictate The Terms For An Impeachment Trial Of The Bad Bad OrangeMan Who Is Bad

By Totes Conservative Jenny Rubin

Posted by: DocJ at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (77WPm)

234 208: berserker, i have it from honest people he did in fact, fuck his mother. there are photos.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 03:30 PM (KP5rU)

235 Why would anyone countenance giving this corrupt, power-crazed government MOAR SWEEPING POWERS in this environment?
Posted by: GRETA THUNDERBORG at December 16, 2019 03:27 PM (AzW6q)



Surprisingly, some of the people at The Federalist and lots of others.

But you raise a good point. The stupidest thing I ever did was agree that the Patriot Act was a good idea, I mean who would abuse a law designed to prosecute terrorists to prosecute regular Americans?

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:30 PM (HALdu)

236 And then Mitch says, "you voted. The vote is recorded. We don't need your piece of paer to proceed. Game on!"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (vc6c9)

And get the Senate Dems to go on record for NOT proceeding with impeachment. Fun.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:30 PM (1CjJc)

237 236 And then Mitch says, "you voted. The vote is recorded. We don't need your piece of paer to proceed. Game on!"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (vc6c9)

And get the Senate Dems to go on record for NOT proceeding with impeachment. Fun.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:30 PM (1CjJc)

===========

Set it up as a vote to proceed without the paper from Nancy.

Let the Democrats all vote against it first, and then have the Republicans vote no as well, killing impeachment bipartisanly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:31 PM (q80AH)

238 That's ok, they made up the science.

Posted by: not

Which parts? From what I read, it's a sober-minded analysis.

Also, it is a misconception that scientists don't get any. I was rolling in it until I got married. I made Paolo jealous, but he couldn't do quantum mechanics, so tough luck for him.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:31 PM (T6t7i)

239 t's like trying to ban air. Any half-decent artist with a pencil and paper can make porn.

Trying to ban porn would make a gun ban (already a ludicrous idea due to the common nature of materials and mechanical skills required to make one) look easy by comparison.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (J+mig)


See: Pompeii.
Posted by: tubal at December




Yeah but they want to try, some even want to try because it is their turn to use gov against the libs.

Wait until the get to how they are going to ban foreign porn.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:31 PM (HALdu)

240 Basic questions for Schumer (which should be asked by any half aware 'journolist")


1. if they are so important, why didn't you call these witnesses yourself?

2. Did you put any restrictions of the Republicans ability to call witnesses or question them and if so, was that a fair exercise of the majority power?

3. if yes, why can't the senate majority also exercise similar fights and abilities?

4. Which of your "impeachment" witnesses had personal knowledge of the July phone call that is at the center of your impeachment charges?

5. What law protects the fake whisteblower from testifying about his personal knowledge of that phone call?

6. What law protects Senator Biden and Hunter Biden from testifying regarding defenses raised to impeachment?

7. What law protects Adam Shiff from testifying?

Posted by: LASue at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (Ed8Zd)

241 I blistered Todd Young when I found out he was one of the co-sponsors to this shit sammich as I told him that if folks 18 and older we old enough to vote and serve their country then they damn sure old enough to make a decision on whether to smoke or not and it isn't up to Big Nanny to dictate otherwise and he replied "but muh families or some shit" and I gave it back to him twice as hard by citing he was exactly the reason why we are slowly moving towards the totalitarian state that the Gimmedats are trying to get to: what to watch, what to think, what to wear, who to vote for, who old that I as an ADULT has to be to decide to smoke or not, etc.. and he didn't reply to that one. Fucker..
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (lwKRt)


"you're old enough to kill, but not for smokin....." Doesn't quite have the same ring for a protest song.

Honestly, I thought it was overreach when all the states were coerced into making 21 the national alcohol age.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (ujg0T)

242 21 Cuck Schemer is a buffoon. He looks like a retarded Charlie Chaplin standing next to that talking, slippery denture corpse, Nanzy Foolosi.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 16, 2019 03:01 PM (VpIIl)


I used to think this.

Now, I believe Schumer, and his ilk that have spewed this nonsense for 3 years, are enemies of a Free America.

Financed by Soros (TM)

Schumer has more in common with Jeremy Corbin or Kim Jong Un than Clint Eastwood.

Clint Eastwood is an American, for starters.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (sy5kK)

243 Just saw a Steyer ad in the DC area.



Term Limits. That was what he was pimping. Term limits.

On Gutfeld the other night , the group made a pretty funny point about this as Biden was making his claim of being a "one term president".


"If you want to get elected, isn't the point to convince people to want MORE of you and not LESS of you???"

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (93FI+)

244 224 From the David French cuck files: "I've got my panties in such a bunch, my raisin testicles have fallen off"

David French
@DavidAFrench

He's a continual embarrassment. He's juvenile. He's ignorant. He's unfit. And every Republican in America would be freaking out if a Democratic president uncorked a schoolyard insult like this.

David French added, Retweeted Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Because Nancy's teeth were falling out of her mouth, and she didn't have time to think!

10:19 PM-15 Dec 2019
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (FBrfY)

Kinda like that time Obama got an erection on the campaign plane, and showed it off to all the fawning reporters who took pictures and recorded the happening.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (iLaBB)

245 I mean who would abuse a law designed to prosecute terrorists to prosecute regular Americans?

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:30 PM (HALdu)

Evil exists. "Would you hand your worst enemy the power over you granted by the legislation?" should be a litmus test for support among others.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (1CjJc)

246 Progressive Science. It can be made to say anything. Right?

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (90T4r)

247 So who is running the hot new ban porn campaign?
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:19 PM (HALdu)

From what I've seen it's an alt-right thing. Basically some lefties on Twitter went full retard over No Nut November, and the alt-right folks are pushing back. The left seems very very insistent on porn being freely available and on young men being obsessed with masturbation. The alt-right is pointing out how stupid and destructive it is to young men, and also using it to illustrate the hypocrisy and incompetence of the establishment right, who talk about the importance of society but won't lift a finger to protect it.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (wCmLp)

248 But you raise a good point. The stupidest thing I ever did was agree that the Patriot Act was a good idea, I mean who would abuse a law designed to prosecute terrorists to prosecute regular Americans?


I knew the Patriot Act was gonna suck b/c Tom Ridge had a hand in it. that RINO was the dumbest piece of dullard I've ever met! seriously listening to him talk made you want to pull a Dwyer

/VeryPennsyPost

Posted by: BlackOrchid, Wanna-Be Ukrainian Asset at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (Rarvo)

249 Got a feeling that pelosi might not be wanting to hold the House floor vote on impeachment. Something is going on and it appears to me that they are trying to walk this back or at least put it on hold, hence the shenanigans with schumer.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (JUOKG)

250 Just once I would like McConnell's response to be, "Blow me".

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (m/eiQ)

251 She's gonna hafta ride Nadler.



***********

We're gonna need a bigger 5th Avenue!

/Macy's

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:33 PM (m45I2)

252 Which parts? From what I read, it's a sober-minded analysis.

Also, it is a misconception that scientists don't get any. I was rolling in it until I got married. I made Paolo jealous, but he couldn't do quantum mechanics, so tough luck for him.
Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:31 PM (T6t7i)




Whatever.

The science is meaningless, when are they going to share their porn banning mechanism?

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:33 PM (HALdu)

253 If'n I were McConnell...

1. House votes to impeach but doesn't transmit report.
2. McConnell schedules trial anyway. States that everyone knows what the House did but, apparently, they're too incompetent to know how to do their job.
3. Call on the prosecution to present their case. Either they do and are shown to be buffoons or don't and are shown to be idiots.
4. Regardless of the outcome of step 3, call on the defense to present their case. Allow the Democrats to complain about each and every witness...vote them down and point out that, once again, the Democrats are not interested in getting to the truth.
5. Acquit.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 16, 2019 03:33 PM (ExV1e)

254 tom steyer is a penis dressed in a fake denim work shirt. fuck that guy. should have at least put a top hat on the head.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 03:33 PM (KP5rU)

255 From the David French cuck files: "I've got my panties in such a bunch, my raisin testicles have fallen off"



David French

@DavidAFrench



He's a continual embarrassment. He's juvenile. He's ignorant. He's
unfit. And every Republican in America would be freaking out if a
Democratic president uncorked a schoolyard insult like this.



David French added, Retweeted Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump



Because Nancy's teeth were falling out of her mouth, and she didn't have time to think!



10:19 PM-15 Dec 2019

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 16, 2019 03:28 PM (FBrfY)

David french, the only man in history that can piss on his own nuts.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 03:33 PM (nNPAz)

256 I'm kinda liking this Carlo Finkerino guy.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 16, 2019 03:33 PM (sWM8x)

257 In any congressional fight based on procedural rules, my money is on McConnell. He knows this stuff inside and out and how to use it to his advantage.

Posted by: LASue at December 16, 2019 03:34 PM (Ed8Zd)

258 228 Just saw a Steyer ad in the DC area.

Term Limits. That was what he was pimping. Term limits.
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2019 03:29 PM (9VeU0)

=========

I see his ads on TV in SC more than any other candidate.

It's weird that the guy known for climate change and impeachment has chosen term limits as his big issue.

Also, it's weird that he's running an outsider campaign when our current president is still pretty much the definition of outside despite being atop the executive branch for 3 years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:34 PM (q80AH)

259 Set it up as a vote to proceed without the paper from Nancy.



Let the Democrats all vote against it first, and then have the Republicans vote no as well, killing impeachment bipartisanly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:31 PM (q80AH)

You are an evil genius.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:34 PM (1CjJc)

260 Demand in one hand and shit in the other, Chuck. See which one fills up first.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (FVvBL)

261 "215
Any mechanism for "banning" "porn" would involve government censorship of the internet. If we give them that authority, it will be misused immediately.

Have we learned nothing from the Patriot Act? Even as it's been twisted and deformed to enable a coup against the President?

Why would anyone countenance giving this corrupt, power-crazed government MOAR SWEEPING POWERS in this environment?"

Amen. Add the TSA to the steaming power of statist dung. The durability of police state powers is evinced in no serious discussion of the abolition of FISA courts and dismantling the FBI, although these represent far greater threats to actual Americans than crooked Russians.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (iw59Q)

262 also #LOLGF

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (FVvBL)

263 259 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:31 PM (q80AH)

You are an evil genius.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:34 PM (1CjJc)

=========

Now...if I could just figure out how to use that to sell my books...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (q80AH)

264 I do tend to think that all the talk about banning porn is-as others have noted before-is an attempt to divide libertarians from social conservatives.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (WI7YS)

265 I used to push a one eight year term for President. Then, I pivoted to Presidente for life El Donaldo.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (90T4r)

266 I can piss on my own nuts.

Posted by: David Hogg at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (lC2P/)

267 Andrew Yang, who is currently polling at roughly -1% in the Democrat Primary, said he's "open" to being Gropey's Veep.

I'm sure Quid Pro Joe will get right on that.

Posted by: DocJ at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (77WPm)

268 Amen. Add the TSA to the steaming power of statist dung. The durability of police state powers is evinced in no serious discussion of the abolition of FISA courts and dismantling the FBI, although these represent far greater threats to actual Americans than crooked Russians.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (iw59Q)

Goes back to Cicero. The enemy within is always more dangerous than the barbarian at the gates.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (J+mig)

269
Whatever.



The science is meaningless, when are they going to share their porn banning mechanism?

Posted by: not so

The article doesn't address that topic. It's about whether marinating in porn from a young age is a good thing for people and society. One doesn't require the other.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (T6t7i)

270 I do tend to think that all the talk about banning porn is-as others have noted before-is an attempt to divide libertarians from social conservatives.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (WI7YS)

Libertarians despise socons and were already drifting to the left. They don't need some porn debate as an excuse to split from the right.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (wCmLp)

271 Now...if I could just figure out how to use that to sell my books...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (q80AH)

Write books that bash Trump and appeal to left-wing mouthbreathers. They'll sell themselves.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (1CjJc)

272 252 Whatever.

The science is meaningless, when are they going to share their porn banning mechanism?
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:33 PM (HALdu)

==========

This really is the best way to counter the argument while still staying on topic.

I, personally, prefer, "This is not the time to even consider this as the left is at a point of such utter desperation that they are tearing themselves apart."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (q80AH)

273 Got a feeling that pelosi might not be wanting to hold the House floor vote on impeachment. Something is going on and it appears to me that they are trying to walk this back or at least put it on hold, hence the shenanigans with schumer.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (JUOKG)

Yep. This Tribe and Toobin crap is just looking for a safe way to dismount the snarling impeachment monster they are riding.

Posted by: LASue at December 16, 2019 03:37 PM (Ed8Zd)

274
Banning porn and raising the smoking age have no more to do with either 'porn' or 'smoking' than seizing guns have anything to do with 'guns'.

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:37 PM (93FI+)

275 See Pompei

*********


No way they were going to prevent Vesuvius from erupting.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:37 PM (m45I2)

276 Eating nothing but blocks of cheddar cheese from a young age is bad for individuals and society as a whole.

We must ban the practice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:37 PM (q80AH)

277 I do tend to think that all the talk about banning porn is-as others have noted before-is an attempt to divide libertarians from social conservatives.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (WI7YS)



No, it is a thing started by the right somewhere. That is why there is a new media campaign with new stories every day for about a week now.

There are some that think giving the gov more power to censor and control the Internets is a good thing.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:37 PM (HALdu)

278 From what I've seen it's an alt-right thing. Basically some lefties on Twitter went full retard over No Nut November, and the alt-right folks are pushing back. The left seems very very insistent on porn being freely available and on young men being obsessed with masturbation. The alt-right is pointing out how stupid and destructive it is to young men, and also using it to illustrate the hypocrisy and incompetence of the establishment right, who talk about the importance of society but won't lift a finger to protect it.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (wCmLp)


I must admit I have some sympathy for the "NoFapstronauts" here. There argument is that rather than InCels wanking gloomily in their homes over women they can never have, they should take that young male energy and do something productive, even challenging, with it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (ujg0T)

279 274

Banning porn and raising the smoking age have no more to do with
either 'porn' or 'smoking' than seizing guns have anything to do with
'guns'.


Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 16, 2019 03:37 PM (93FI+)

This.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (1CjJc)

280
3) Schumer still seems to be trying to go for the toss enough salad, some tasty bit will come to the surface.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 16, 2019 03:04 PM (ycWCI)


"Tossing salad", the current Urban Dictionary use of the phrase, is accurate and appropriate when the subject is Chuck Schumer.

If you don't know what it means, you shouldn't look it up if you are in your lunch hour, or on a company computer.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (sy5kK)

281 Yep. This Tribe and Toobin crap is just looking for a safe way to dismount the snarling impeachment monster they are riding.

--------------

I'd go with the Jen Rubin option. It is their least bad and only way out of this mess of their creation.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (sX1BW)

282 278
I must admit I have some sympathy for the "NoFapstronauts" here. There argument is that rather than InCels wanking gloomily in their homes over women they can never have, they should take that young male energy and do something productive, even challenging, with it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (ujg0T)

=========

It's just not a political discussion.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (q80AH)

283 >>Banning porn and raising the smoking age have no more to do with either 'porn' or 'smoking' than seizing guns have anything to do with 'guns'.


I've not yet begun to fap!

Posted by: John Paul Jones at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (zOZae)

284 I don't have a dog in the never-ending "SoCon v. Libertarian Pron" fight, only to know that Social Conservatives have a pretty piss-poor record of "conserving" much of anything. They're certainly playing a weak hand, given the amoral leftist control of media and education, but seriously, their record is appallingly bad.

Posted by: DocJ at December 16, 2019 03:39 PM (77WPm)

285 Why in the world do they want to ban porn?

I don't like porn. I don't watch porn.
It doesn't have to be banned for me to not watch it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 16, 2019 03:39 PM (d7Ww2)

286 At this point I can only see the GOPe snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.



So it's too close to call.

Posted by: Archer at December 16, 2019 03:39 PM (CKCGT)

287 Libertarians despise socons and were already
drifting to the left. They don't need some porn debate as an excuse to
split from the right.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile

Again, I'm not endorsing a government ban on porn, just that it is a problem. Alcohol is the same, and I'm not in favor of prohibition. People need to be able to make their own mistakes.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:39 PM (T6t7i)

288 276 Eating nothing but blocks of cheddar cheese from a young age is bad for individuals and society as a whole.

We must ban the practice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:37 PM (q80AH)

Really, you need to start with cheese curds - the gateway drug.

Posted by: Roy at December 16, 2019 03:39 PM (cspJy)

289 278

I must admit I have some sympathy for the "NoFapstronauts" here. There argument is that rather than InCels wanking gloomily in their homes over women they can never have, they should take that young male energy and do something productive, even challenging, with it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (ujg0T)



Have you SEEN the Geek Squad desk at Best Buy?

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:39 PM (90T4r)

290 283
>>Banning porn and raising the smoking age have no more to do with
either 'porn' or 'smoking' than seizing guns have anything to do with
'guns'.





I've not yet begun to fap!

Posted by: John Paul Jones at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (zOZae)

I regret that I have but one nut to give.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 16, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)

291 That 1980s picture of extra fat Nadler talking at a microphone and Schumer waiting in the wings says everything about entrenched corrupt power in DC.

Posted by: LASue at December 16, 2019 03:39 PM (Ed8Zd)

292 ... an attempt to divide libertarians from social conservatives.


*********

With a crowbar...same as in town.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (m45I2)

293 If there is one effing person who MUST testify that would be Mrx. Whistleblower.

This entire shamocracy-shampeachment , we were assured, had to happen because of the whistle blower. Well, time to be heard.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (xptlg)

294 247 So who is running the hot new ban porn campaign?
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:19 PM (HALdu)

From what I've seen it's an alt-right thing. Basically some lefties on Twitter went full retard over No Nut November, and the alt-right folks are pushing back. The left seems very very insistent on porn being freely available and on young men being obsessed with masturbation. The alt-right is pointing out how stupid and destructive it is to young men, and also using it to illustrate the hypocrisy and incompetence of the establishment right, who talk about the importance of society but won't lift a finger to protect it.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 16, 2019 03:32 PM (wCmLp)

You mean exposing kids to hardcore porn has terrible consequences for society? Next thing you will tell me that hardcore porn ruins the ability to pair bond in men and women and causes erectile dysfunction in Men, leads to infidelity, and rewires the brain.
Yes, porn should be banned. Pornographers should be thrown in prison. Its obviously terrible for society as a whole. We would be objectively healthier if it was banned.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (iLaBB)

295 All these little ideas about impeachment are "trial balloons." Seeing what polls well, what the arguments will be for and against.

The House will vote this week, perhaps it will be Friday. But they will vote. And they will pass it.

There is no such thing as "not transmitting" an impeachment. The House either votes for it or it doesn't.


Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (9VeU0)

296 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (Zz0t1)

297 David French

@DavidAFrench

He's a continual embarrassment. He's juvenile. He's ignorant. He's
unfit. And every Republican in America would be freaking out if a
Democratic president uncorked a schoolyard insult like this.


Oh FFS, pansy. Just raise the back of one lavender-scented wrist to your forehead and swoon gracefully onto your fainting couch.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (H9cB7)

298 The article doesn't address that topic. It's about whether marinating in porn from a young age is a good thing for people and society. One doesn't require the other.
Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (T6t7i)




Who would think that it is? The thing is that giving the government the power to ban it in whatever way is insane.

You do not trade freedom for security.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (HALdu)

299 >> Eating nothing but blocks of cheddar cheese from a young age is bad for individuals and society as a whole.



Eating?

Posted by: Christopher Pagano at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (zOZae)

300 Amen. Add the TSA to the steaming power of statist dung. The durability of police state powers is evinced in no serious discussion of the abolition of FISA courts and dismantling the FBI, although these represent far greater threats to actual Americans than crooked Russians.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (iw59Q)
++++++++++++++
Graham wants to "reform" FISA and bring some "accountability."

This is the problem. The frame changes the instant a new power, agency, administration, force, etc. is signed into law. The world *before* that new thing, or any contemporary or future world *without* that new thing becomes impossible to consider - at least for anyone within the system.

The correct answer isn't "reform" and it isn't "more accountability." The correct answer is "Being as generous as we can possibly be, this was a terribly bad idea. The only reasonable move is to dismantle it altogether and throw it on the ash heap. It is broken. It had no choice but to be broken. We were wrong to think that it wouldn't be broken. We need to undo this operation, try to make right the people we hurt, try to punish the people who abused this facility, and try to move past it when it's gone."

I think that this thought doesn't occur to any of them. I think they may actually be *incapable* of thinking like that. Their frame of reference is the government itself. Anything that is part of the government is an immutable aspect of that frame.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (I2dne)

301 Trumpkins who are aghast at antifa now threaten a violent civil war if the trumpster is impeached. You can see video it on democratic underground. By the way vietnam war draft dogging neo-con artist never trumpers have come out with an impeach trump ad. Looks like rats are leaving the ship!

Posted by: raimondo at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (3Pg0J)

302 Pelosi overstepped her authority by giving her speech demanding that the articles be brought.

She does not have that power.

She and Schumer can both go fuck each other until they bleed.

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (Zz0t1)

303
I must admit I have some sympathy for the "NoFapstronauts" here. There argument is that rather than InCels wanking gloomily in their homes over women they can never have, they should take that young male energy and do something productive, even challenging, with it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (ujg0T)

------

I agree.

But that agreement does not extend to "empower a manifestly corrupt and lawless government that demonstrates its boundlessly evil obsession with total power and social control every single day in new and exciting ways to censor the speech of its citizens."

One doesn't lead to the other, AFAIC.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:41 PM (AzW6q)

304 You do not trade freedom for security.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (HALdu)

It's the first rule of rights club.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:41 PM (1CjJc)

305 ban porn? good luck putting that toothpaste back in the tube.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 03:41 PM (KP5rU)

306 270 Libertarians despise socons and were already drifting to the left. They don't need some porn debate as an excuse to split from the right.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (wCmLp)

==========

Limiting it to just "libertarians" who support the free speech side of things is too far.

There are plenty of non-libertarians in the conservative movement who would consider the free speech side of the debate more important than the moral side.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:41 PM (q80AH)

307 I must admit I have some sympathy for the "NoFapstronauts" here. There argument is that rather than InCels wanking gloomily in their homes over women they can never have, they should take that young male energy and do something productive, even challenging, with it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (ujg0T)

I participated because it's a good challenge and one should be able to show self-discipline and restraint when required. The alt-right folks on 4chan, twitter, etc., are really big on the idea of encouraging young men to engage in self-improvement.

Like I said, what really got it rolling was the left's response, which was unhinged hatred towards it. The alt-right responded by pushing the issue and asking the question, "why does this upset them so? Why is it so important that you be awash in porn all the time?"

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 16, 2019 03:41 PM (wCmLp)

308 I used to push a one eight year term for President. Then, I pivoted to Presidente for life El Donaldo.
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (90T4r)
.......

JEFE!

Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 03:41 PM (v0R5T)

309 265 I used to push a one eight year term for President. Then, I pivoted to Presidente for life El Donaldo.
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (90T4r)


Time to Repeat My Modest Proposal: Presdient Pence (2025-2033) should create a Cabinet Post of "President Emeritus", which Donald Trump could fill.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:41 PM (ujg0T)

310 Yeah, government control over the internet. What could Possibly Go Wrong?

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:41 PM (90T4r)

311
293 If there is one effing person who MUST testify that would be Mrx. Whistleblower.

This entire shamocracy-shampeachment , we were assured, had to happen because of the whistle blower. Well, time to be heard.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore

I thought impeachment was all about RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!

they can't just keep changing the subject. this is utter bullshit.



Posted by: nurse ratched at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (d7Ww2)

312 Yes, porn should be banned. Pornographers should be thrown in prison. Its obviously terrible for society as a whole. We would be objectively healthier if it was banned.

-------------

If Big Tech and the government is going to ban the use of genders to describe the two genders, then why shouldn't society demand that porn be banned?

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (sX1BW)

313 241 I blistered Todd Young when I found out he was one of the co-sponsors to this shit sammich as I told him that if folks 18 and older we old enough to vote and serve their country then they damn sure old enough to make a decision on whether to smoke or not and it isn't up to Big Nanny to dictate otherwise and he replied "but muh families or some shit" and I gave it back to him twice as hard by citing he was exactly the reason why we are slowly moving towards the totalitarian state that the Gimmedats are trying to get to: what to watch, what to think, what to wear, who to vote for, who old that I as an ADULT has to be to decide to smoke or not, etc.. and he didn't reply to that one. Fucker..
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 16, 2019 03:24 PM (lwKRt)


"you're old enough to kill, but not for smokin....." Doesn't quite have the same ring for a protest song.

Honestly, I thought it was overreach when all the states were coerced into making 21 the national alcohol age.

Posted by: Curmudgeon
---------
Yep, couldn't agree more.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (lwKRt)

314 270 I do tend to think that all the talk about banning porn is-as others have noted before-is an attempt to divide libertarians from social conservatives.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (WI7YS)

Libertarians despise socons and were already drifting to the left. They don't need some porn debate as an excuse to split from the right.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (wCmLp)

What the social conservatives need to realize is that you can't legislate people into heaven. There's no virtue in a forced decision.

If you think you are fit to make everyone's decisions for them in an attempt to save their souls, you neither achieve that goal, nor your own salvation, as you have succumbed to a different sin - pride.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (J+mig)

315 Oh goodie, the stoopid has arrived.

Posted by: DocJ at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (77WPm)

316 Piss off, racist foreign retard.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (FVvBL)

317 I'm not going to go back and figure out how we got from Schumer and impeachment to porn but it's not a surprise.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (WI7YS)

318 I regret that I have but one nut to give.


You have to allow for the refractory period.

Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (M0u+N)

319
Whatever.

The science is meaningless, when are they going to share their porn banning mechanism?

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:33 PM (HALdu)

Relatively easy to have modest to weak enforcement, like we do on many things. For argumentation some people seem to assume that any ban of a substance must necessarily have a war on drugs style campaign. Shutting down major purveyors is as sample as attaching fines to and then applying said fines, they are generally speaking incorporated after all.

Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (7nTlT)

320 Who would think that it is? The thing is that giving the government the power to ban it in whatever way is insane.



You do not trade freedom for security.

Posted by: not so

You seem determined to counter an argument I did not make.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (T6t7i)

321 264 I do tend to think that all the talk about banning porn is-as others have noted before-is an attempt to divide libertarians from social conservatives.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (WI7YS)

Never trust a libertarian. Almost all of them are progressives.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (iLaBB)

322 Does the troll even know how to English?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (H9cB7)

323 Seems like an L for Flynn, despite his new lawyer's best efforts.

Posted by: The Institute at December 16, 2019 03:00 PM (LhK3i)


He needs to pull his guilty plea and make them put up all their evidence.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (sT+5I)

324 You mean exposing kids to hardcore porn has terrible consequences for society? Next thing you will tell me that hardcore porn ruins the ability to pair bond in men and women and causes erectile dysfunction in Men, leads to infidelity, and rewires the brain.
Yes, porn should be banned. Pornographers should be thrown in prison. Its obviously terrible for society as a whole. We would be objectively healthier if it was banned.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (iLaBB)




You do not seem as attached to your Constitutional rights as I am.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (HALdu)

325 I think the dems will decide they are too far in it to fail to vote but will spend the next week spinning their complaints about the senate and just hope that everyone forgets about this over the Christmas holiday.

Then they'll screech "IMPEACHED" ten million times over the next 11 months.

Posted by: LASue at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (Ed8Zd)

326 They ban child pornography without taking over the internet so I'm sure they could use the same process to ban regular porn. Whether to do it is another question.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (qQ7kL)

327 Time for McConnell to pull the Animal House method and tell Schumer "YOU'LL get your chance, smart guy....." all the while flipping him the bird.

Because the bird is the word.

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (Zz0t1)

328 I'm out.

*slaps down a Benjamin*

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 16, 2019 03:44 PM (FVvBL)

329 Libertarians despise socons and were already drifting to the left. They don't need some porn debate as an excuse to split from the right.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 16, 2019 03:36 PM (wCmLp)

Fuck the libertardians. Trusting those dickweeds is like thinking Carly Fiorina is just what the GOP needs.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 16, 2019 03:44 PM (y7DUB)

330 Never trust a libertarian. Almost all of them are progressives.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (iLaBB)

Libertarian = [(progressive + weed) - Doritos]

Posted by: Roy at December 16, 2019 03:44 PM (cspJy)

331 322
Does the troll even know how to English?





Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (H9cB7)

His strong suit is critical thinking. You play to your strengths.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:44 PM (1CjJc)

332 Relatively easy to have modest to weak enforcement, like we do on many things. For argumentation some people seem to assume that any ban of a substance must necessarily have a war on drugs style campaign. Shutting down major purveyors is as sample as attaching fines to and then applying said fines, they are generally speaking incorporated after all.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (7nTlT)




You going to block access to foreign sites?

Do you have a definition of porn?

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:44 PM (HALdu)

333 Beatoff isn't running for TX senate seat held by Cornyn. The Commies have 12 candidates with no clear front-runner.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 16, 2019 03:44 PM (sWM8x)

334 barely coherent. mommy should have the furnace checked for a carbon monoxide leak.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (KP5rU)

335 Does the troll even know how to English?





Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (H9cB7)
'
well, its only been a few months since they hosed it down and taught it to speak.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (nNPAz)

336 Over/ under on whether this drags on into Primary Season?

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (90T4r)

337 56 O/T Greta put down her statement about putting people up against the wall to mistranslation of a Swedish saying. She did not give an example of a use that predates her own. I have failed to find any in my searches which admittedly were in English. Any morons know Swedish? And if so, is really such a Swedish saying?
Posted by: CtHillary, Dead but Dreaming... at December 16, 2019 03:05 PM (JXKKq)


Don't know if anyone still speaks Swedish. Isn't it one of those dead countries, like Latinia, that spoke Latin?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (sy5kK)

338 Yes, porn should be banned. Pornographers should be thrown in prison. Its obviously terrible for society as a whole. We would be objectively healthier if it was banned.


I would like to buy you a hot, steaming cup of hide and go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (Zz0t1)

339 300








300Graham wants to "reform" FISA and bring some "accountability."

This is the problem. The frame changes the instant a new power, agency, administration, force, etc. is signed into law. The world *before* that new thing, or any contemporary or future world *without* that new thing becomes impossible to consider - at least for anyone within the system.

The correct answer isn't "reform" and it isn't "more accountability." The correct answer is "Being as generous as we can possibly be, this was a terribly bad idea. The only reasonable move is to dismantle it altogether and throw it on the ash heap. It is broken. It had no choice but to be broken. We were wrong to think that it wouldn't be broken. We need to undo this operation, try to make right the people we hurt, try to punish the people who abused this facility, and try to move past it when it's gone."

I think that this thought doesn't occur to any of them. I think they may actually be *incapable* of thinking like that. Their frame of reference is the government itself. Anything that is part of the government is an immutable aspect of that frame."

They love the power grab. Infringing on the autonomy of others is their Viagra.

"








Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (iw59Q)

340 Good.

My Democratic representative, Joe Cunningham, of SC-1, is going to vote for impeachment.

I was tired of having a Democratic congressman anyway.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:46 PM (q80AH)

341 Don't know if anyone still speaks Swedish. Isn't it one of those dead countries, like Latinia, that spoke Latin?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (sy5kK)
++++++++++++++++++
You're thinking of Finland, which doesn't exist (and has never existed).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:46 PM (I2dne)

342 I do tend to think that all the talk about banning porn is-as others have noted before-is an attempt to divide libertarians from social conservatives.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 16, 2019 03:35 PM (WI7YS)

Never trust a libertarian. Almost all of them are progressives stoned.
Posted by: squirrelly dan


Fixed.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:46 PM (vc6c9)

343 fuck them with supercharged flamethrowers. in the ASS.
--No otters were harmed in this process.

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (vhYTW)

344 326
They ban child pornography without taking over the internet so I'm sure
they could use the same process to ban regular porn. Whether to do it
is another question.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (qQ7kL)

Yeah, but being rounded up for having hairy palms or looking at boobs requires a justification on par with the justification for child pornography enforcement, which is nonexistent at least at that same level and same level of public support.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (1CjJc)

345 Beatoff isn't running for TX senate seat held by Cornyn. The Commies have 12 candidates with no clear front-runner.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 16, 2019 03:44 PM (sWM8x)

I haven't seen the but I hope the dems waste a lot of $$ on this losing battle.

Posted by: LASue at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (Ed8Zd)

346 You're thinking of Finland, which doesn't exist (and has never existed).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:46 PM (I2dne)

No. That's Delaware.

Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (M0u+N)

347 I've not yet begun to fap!

Posted by: John Paul Jones at December 16, 2019 03:38 PM (zOZae)

I regret that I have but one nut to give.
Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 16, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)

Four score and seven strokes ago...

Posted by: Horny zombie Abe at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (v0R5T)

348 You going to block access to foreign sites?

Do you have a definition of porn?
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:44 PM (HALdu)


"I know it when I see it...."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobellis_v._Ohio

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (ujg0T)

349 Don't know if anyone still speaks Swedish. Isn't it one of those dead countries, like Latinia, that spoke Latin?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (sy5kK)

Opeth just released their latest album in two versions: vocals in English and in their native Swedish. First time they've done one in Swedish. I hear it's better than the English version, but since they hardly remember to metal anymore, I haven't rushed to check it out.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (H9cB7)

350 They love the power grab. Infringing on the autonomy of others is their Viagra.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (iw59Q)
++++++++++++++
Many of them. Probably most of them. I think that even those who believe they're doing the right thing fail to do so because the government is their entire and only frame of reference.

This might change if we semi-randomly assigned legislative seats for a single term and ended career politicking, but I am by no means sure.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (I2dne)

351 324 You mean exposing kids to hardcore porn has terrible consequences for society? Next thing you will tell me that hardcore porn ruins the ability to pair bond in men and women and causes erectile dysfunction in Men, leads to infidelity, and rewires the brain.
Yes, porn should be banned. Pornographers should be thrown in prison. Its obviously terrible for society as a whole. We would be objectively healthier if it was banned.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 03:40 PM (iLaBB)




You do not seem as attached to your Constitutional rights as I am.
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (HALdu)

We lost our Constitutional Rights a long time ago. Stop pretending like they exist. They don't.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (iLaBB)

352 You'll get my porn when you pry it from my warm, messy hands!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (1CjJc)

353 Beatoff isn't running for TX senate seat held by Cornyn. The Commies have 12 candidates with no clear front-runner.

beatoff could probably win this time.

Cornhole is a miserable disappointment of a Congress Critter. He completely represents the idea that Democrats hate America and Republicans have no love for America.

Cornhole surely doesn't represent Texas and is about as American as an anchor baby.

I wish that someone will primary that hopeless failure otherwise I'll be voting for whatever Libertarian runs.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (lD3vL)

354 @DavidAFrench

He's a continual embarrassment. He's juvenile. He's ignorant. He's unfit. And every Republican in America would be freaking out if a Democratic president uncorked a schoolyard insult like this.
_________________

Yeah, 'cuz Democrat presidents just use the federal bureaucracy as their own personal campaign machine, siccing the IRS on groups trying to prevent fraudulent voting, siccing the FBI and CIA on rival campaigns, spying illegally on citizens, lying to FISA judges, and breaking all sorts of laws.

They never do anything really upsetting like saying something juvenile on Twitter!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (k4dH2)

355 people that want porn banned are the worst offenders of morality. what's next, a fucking smoking ban?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (KP5rU)

356 Do you have a definition of porn?
Posted by: not so



Bare bewbies!


/s

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (vc6c9)

357 You're thinking of Finland, which doesn't exist (and has never existed).


*********


It's as if they were Finnish before they even started.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (m45I2)

358 Russian?

I was, but now I'm Finnish.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (H9cB7)

359 Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (1CjJc)

I'm assuming it would be the distributors of the porn who would be pursued.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (qQ7kL)

360 Sweden is a fake Hollywood country, like Grand Fenwick and Lichtenstein.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (FVvBL)

361 So when does the Left NOT get to make demands. Win, lose, majority, minority -- it's always about THEIR demands. You'd think Republicans would get tired of it.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 16, 2019 03:49 PM (H8QX8)

362 We, the Fappers of the United Squirts, n order to form a more perfect Jerk Sock, establish Fap Justice and Fap Unity...

Posted by: Preamble to the Fapper's Constitution at December 16, 2019 03:49 PM (zOZae)

363 359 Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (1CjJc)

I'm assuming it would be the distributors of the porn who would be pursued.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (qQ7kL)

=========

Just like only the distributors of drugs are pursued?

Never trust the government to limit itself to harder targets.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 03:49 PM (q80AH)

364 359
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (1CjJc)



I'm assuming it would be the distributors of the porn who would be pursued.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (qQ7kL)

Internet.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:49 PM (1CjJc)

365 Sweden is a county in Northern Minnesota. The fake country just stole the name.

Posted by: Roy at December 16, 2019 03:49 PM (cspJy)

366 >>Do you have a definition of porn?


I know it when I can get off to it.

Posted by: 'Ficus' Potter Stewart at December 16, 2019 03:50 PM (zOZae)

367 You do not seem as attached to your Constitutional rights as I am.
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (HALdu)

We lost our Constitutional Rights a long time ago. Stop pretending like they exist. They don't.

---------------

If Big Government is to exist, and it most certainly does. Then why can't we use Big Government to orient society in a way socons find a more healthy society?

Or as others have put, what has been conserved?

That's the argument as I see it.

It is not one that I necessarily subscribe to.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:50 PM (sX1BW)

368 Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (1CjJc)

I'm assuming it would be the distributors of the porn who would be pursued.
Posted by: Easy Andy


Good luck going after Russia.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:50 PM (vc6c9)

369 Some folks here seem really defensive regarding pron.

Posted by: SMH at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (RU4sa)

370 Banging kids is illegal. The speech contains an underlying crime. Banning people for documenting otherwise legal activity is purely a speech ban, and will be used not next year, not tomorrow, but immediately as justification for encroaching upon other legal speech that the authorities dislike.

You can believe me or not, but if you don't I think I'm right about this, you have been living in some other, much better country than the one I'm observing at the moment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (AzW6q)

371 86 Chanel Rion OAN @ChanelRion
REPORT: Artem Sytnyk, head of Ukraine's NABU, (central figure in Biden coverup) charged with corruption in Kyiv. Sources report he refuses to step down but is expected to be fired.
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 16, 2019 03:10 PM (BqBId)


Chanel Rion, of One America Network, has been leading the corruption-from-Ukraine reporting efforts. The Bidens, and the kids of Kerry and Boneless Rectum, should be scared. Progda can't hide all the facts forever regarding their corruption.

Of course ignored by Progda, her accuracy and factual information has been second to none.

Keep an eye out for her reports. Trust me, your eyes will thank you.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (sy5kK)

372 You do not seem as attached to your Constitutional rights as I am.
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:43 PM (HALdu

Not saying I'm in favor of a ban but Porn was banned prior as recently as the 70's. I just wish there was a way that it was not so accessible to minors other than parental oversight which is no roadblock.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (qQ7kL)

373 In the words of Ronald Reagan, the most frightening words, " We are from the government, and are here to help".

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (90T4r)

374 I'm assuming it would be the distributors of the porn who would be pursued.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:48 PM (qQ7kL)

Or it could be used as an excuse to place cameras in your home (or access your Alexa) to be certain that you don't have any contraband material.

If you don't have anything to hide, you don't have anything to fear...

At least, until the same rationale bans something that actually is important to you...

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (J+mig)

375 Why do young men need pornography in order to masturbate? Why can't they just peer in their next door neighbor's window like my grandpappy did?

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (m45I2)

376 332 Relatively easy to have modest to weak enforcement, like we do on many things. For argumentation some people seem to assume that any ban of a substance must necessarily have a war on drugs style campaign. Shutting down major purveyors is as sample as attaching fines to and then applying said fines, they are generally speaking incorporated after all.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 03:42 PM (7nTlT)

You going to block access to foreign sites?

Do you have a definition of porn?

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:44 PM (HALdu)

The idea of weak to modest enforcement, is funnily enough, weak to modest enforcement. Not like sodomy laws got even this level of involvement generally.

Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 03:52 PM (7nTlT)

377 (Sorry grandpappy!)

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:52 PM (m45I2)

378 Chanel? Cool name.

Posted by: Tiffany Maples-Trump at December 16, 2019 03:52 PM (H9cB7)

379 I am defensive about authoritarian encroachment, not porn.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:52 PM (90T4r)

380 375
Why do young men need pornography in order to masturbate? Why can't
they just peer in their next door neighbor's window like my grandpappy
did?

why are there no great radio dramas like there used to be?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 16, 2019 03:52 PM (sGtp+)

381 Some folks here seem really defensive regarding pron.
Posted by: SMH at December




It is not defending porn it is making sure no one gives the government the power of censorship to abuse.

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (HALdu)

382 Ban porn and watch what happens to the world economy.

POOF!

BILLIONS of dollars gone in the blink of a cumstained eye.

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)

383 Do you have a definition of porn?


I know it when I can get off to it.
Posted by: 'Ficus' Potter Stewart


Nekkid Hillary and Nancy Pelosi scissoring?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (vc6c9)

384 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (AzW6q)

Don't let history just begin yesterday for you.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (qQ7kL)

385 338 Yes, porn should be banned. Pornographers should be thrown in prison. Its obviously terrible for society as a whole. We would be objectively healthier if it was banned.

I would like to buy you a hot, steaming cup of hide and go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 03:45 PM (Zz0t1)


While I side with Sponge and oppose "legislation of morality" attempts, I do see squirrelly dan's point: It often IS destructive.

Think of it like Howard Stern's broadcasts. Would I ban them outright? No. But would I have them restricted to certain hours on terrestrial radio where the kiddies are unlikely to be listening? Yes.

And all the "poo poo, pee, pee, ca ca" coming from Mr. Stern's mouth gets stale really quickly, as does much porn.

Do erotica AND profanity with some style and class. Bolero was a moving piece of classical music about having sex, you know.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (ujg0T)

386 The government won't ban porn, what the hell would they do at work all day?

Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (v0R5T)

387 It is not defending porn it is making sure no one gives the government the power of censorship to abuse.

----------------

Seems like we crossed that bridge a long time ago.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (sX1BW)

388 Why do young men need pornography in order to masturbate? Why can't they just peer in their next door neighbor's window like my grandpappy did?



In the olden days, the pleasure of finding a wet stash of nudie magazines that someone had hidden in the woods cannot be overstated.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (FVvBL)

389 375 Why do young men need pornography in order to masturbate?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (m45I2)

George Costanza only needed a Cosmo.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (H8QX8)

390 The idea of weak to modest enforcement, is funnily enough, weak to modest enforcement. Not like sodomy laws got even this level of involvement generally.
Posted by: Someguy at December




describe your enforcement mechanism

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (HALdu)

391 Opeth just released their latest album in two
versions: vocals in English and in their native Swedish. First time
they've done one in Swedish. I hear it's better than the English
version, but since they hardly remember to metal anymore, I haven't
rushed to check it out.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:47 PM (H9cB7)

Last year I got asked to join a band. They told me they had a slight opeth influence. I didn't think much of it, but I went to their practice anyway to give it a listen. Their music was ok, but not really my thing. After they played they cracked open a bottle of booze and sat down and started watching opeth vids. Yeah, it was at that point a slowly inched towards the door to make my escape.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (nNPAz)

392 Chanel Rion is good looking, but I am not accustomed to seeing brunettes with really big hair like she has - it seems to almost always be a blonde thing.

She seems to be doing well, like Emerald Robinson from the same outfit. They did a big three-hour thing on Ukraine this weekend, talked to Ukrainian officials, followed Rudy on some his foreign investigation activities, etc. I missed it and am waiting for a work-compatible replay.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (I2dne)

393 386 The government won't ban porn, what the hell would they do at work all day?
Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (v0R5T)

Two tiered justice system allows exemption.

Posted by: Roy at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (cspJy)

394 Sooo...I see that Tyrus is the latest Fox News personality to be accused of something Me-Too related. Suggestive e-mails I guess.

He's fighting back all the way, says he's completely innocent.

They better not pull him off of Greg Gutfeld's show.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (H9cB7)

395 Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (J+mig)

Everything is a slippery slope if you want it to be.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (qQ7kL)

396 370 Banging kids is illegal. The speech contains an underlying crime. Banning people for documenting otherwise legal activity is purely a speech ban, and will be used not next year, not tomorrow, but immediately as justification for encroaching upon other legal speech that the authorities dislike.

You can believe me or not, but if you don't I think I'm right about this, you have been living in some other, much better country than the one I'm observing at the moment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (AzW6q)

Authoritarians do not in fact need precedent. If they did need one, well bans have existed previously in the USA so new efforts would not provide one. More extensive and specific bans on political speech have in fact been employed in the US.

Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (7nTlT)

397 Some folks here seem really defensive regarding pron.
Posted by: SMH


Has nothing to do with porn. It has everything to do with trying to tell my 57 yr old grown ass how I'm supposed to live according to someone else's ideals.

Fuck. That. Shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (vc6c9)

398 http://bit.ly/2Eu7tSt
*******
Disgruntled Reagan and Bush era officials pay for 'anti-Trump' ad in Times Square - Sara A. Carter

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (BqBId)

399 Notice how the media consciously avoids discussing that there is a Rule requiring that the Minority in the House be given an entire day to call witnesses relative to any Impeachment inquiry. This Rule was overlooked when the Majority re-wrote the Rules of Impeachment. A letter by the Minority was forwarded to the Majority and it was turned down out of hand in violation of their own tailored Rules of Impeachment.

And not a peep...

Posted by: Orson at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (3heFf)

400 Not saying I'm in favor of a ban but Porn was banned prior as recently as the 70's. I just wish there was a way that it was not so accessible to minors other than parental oversight which is no roadblock.

Posted by: Easy Andy


Parental oversight is most certainly effective.

For kids under 12:
NO computers in your room.
NO smart phones or tablets in your room.

Done.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (d7Ww2)

401 Has nothing to do with porn. It has everything to do with trying to tell my 57 yr old grown ass how I'm supposed to live according to someone else's ideals.

Fuck. That. Shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at December




That too

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (HALdu)

402
Don't let history just begin yesterday for you.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (qQ7kL)

-------

I take your point, and I know it hasn't always been thus.

But it is now. This government is not to be trusted. Not in any way. They're absolutely lawless. Until their existing powers are drastically curtailed, and I mean drastically, I am unwilling to negotiate any additional ones.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (AzW6q)

403 I think that this thought doesn't occur to any of them. I think they may actually be *incapable* of thinking like that. Their frame of reference is the government itself. Anything that is part of the government is an immutable aspect of that frame."

FISA is basically a law that supersedes the US Constitution and allows the current hostile occupying enemy force, euphemistically called "The Federal Government", to harm We The People in yet another way.

Given that we are living without Rule of Law, and that the Trump regime is a complete and total failure when it comes to maintaining some resemblance of Law and Order, there isn't a need to have FISA since it is pointless to have a law enforcement mechanism when there is no justice, legal or even rational court system to backstop it.

Its a fig leaf the Enemy uses to engage in espionage, coercion and blackmail.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (lD3vL)

404 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (nNPAz)

Don't blame you. Swedish death metal isn't for everyone. I dig them though.

They just do straight Prog Rock nowadays. I like Prog but not their variety of it.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (H9cB7)

405 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (I2dne)
*******
Probably on Utube

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (BqBId)

406 It is not defending porn it is making sure no one gives the government the power of censorship to abuse.
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (HALdu)
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Yeah, I dislike porn, but, I also understand the cure, government intervention, is even worse.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (S/yWr)

407 For kids under 12:
NO computers in your room.
NO smart phones or tablets in your room.

Done.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December




What she said

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (HALdu)

408 While I side with Sponge and oppose "legislation of morality" attempts, I do see squirrelly dan's point: It often IS destructive.


Communism IS destructive. Be we seem to be rushing headlong into it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (vc6c9)

409
describe your enforcement mechanism

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (HALdu)

Hand it off to DOJ, they'll run around suing major purveyors as is their wont. Essentially what we do with a number of major laws/regulations.

Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (7nTlT)

410 Keep it up Dems. At this rate you won't have a seat left in DC after 2020.

Posted by: creeper at December 16, 2019 03:57 PM (XxJt1)

411 Do erotica AND profanity with some style and class. Bolero was a moving piece of classical music about having sex, you know.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (ujg0T)

You do have to search out porn on your own. You can't view it on TV without paying for it. You can't rent it without paying for it.

However, you can view it on the internet for free, BUT you must go out of your way to look for it.

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 03:57 PM (Zz0t1)

412 Here we are about to raise the national tobacco age to 21. Don't be surprised when people seek using the same power of government to limit other things.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:57 PM (sX1BW)

413 Banning pornography is a slippery slope?


So I guess we're not doing nuanced phrasing any more.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 03:58 PM (m45I2)

414 409
describe your enforcement mechanism

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (HALdu)

Hand it off to DOJ, they'll run around suing major purveyors as is their wont. Essentially what we do with a number of major laws/regulations.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (7nTlT)


You might add, " selectively sue" whomever they want to sue.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:58 PM (90T4r)

415 412 Here we are about to raise the national tobacco age to 21. Don't be surprised when people seek using the same power of government to limit other things.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:57 PM (sX1BW)
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Young man! You can go off to war, die in battle, all before the age of 21. However, cigarettes? No way, because those things are dangerous!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 03:58 PM (S/yWr)

416 I don't give a shit about porn, never did. I never really indulged in it, and I don't do stripper or go-go bars either. I was just never into window shopping. At the same time I say nooo fucking way the government should have the power to ban it. Its a way slippery slope.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 03:59 PM (nNPAz)

417 167 Can there be a better personification of the utter uselessness of the California Republican Party than Carly Fiorina?

Oh, and UpChuck? lolgf.
Posted by: DocJ at December 16, 2019 03:20 PM (77WPm)


Now there is some TRUTH right there, yes it is.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 03:59 PM (sy5kK)

418 FISA is basically a law that supersedes the US Constitution and allows the current hostile occupying enemy force, euphemistically called "The Federal Government", to harm We The People in yet another way.

Given that we are living without Rule of Law, and that the Trump regime is a complete and total failure when it comes to maintaining some resemblance of Law and Order, there isn't a need to have FISA since it is pointless to have a law enforcement mechanism when there is no justice, legal or even rational court system to backstop it.

Its a fig leaf the Enemy uses to engage in espionage, coercion and blackmail.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (lD3vL)
++++++++++++++++
Yes. FISA is not the problem. FISA is symptomatic of the problem.

It starts with "we can get away with it" (e.g., FISA, Patriot, the very existence of the DHS, etc., etc. etc. throughout history) and then immediately is a part of how it always was.

There are a lot of power abusers and vicious, evil bastards in government. It is probably a majority and might be an overwhelming, near-total majority.

But everyone in government, even if they're trying (apparently, anyway) to do the "right thing" fails to see that the "right thing" might involve dismantlement, I think because they cannot comprehend that such a thing is possible or than any other world could be.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 03:59 PM (I2dne)

419 But it is now. This government is not to be trusted. Not in any way. They're absolutely lawless. Until their existing powers are drastically curtailed, and I mean drastically, I am unwilling to negotiate any additional ones.

Given the trajectory as seen in California and now Virginia threatening to roll out the tanks and go all Sherman on the people of Virginia, we are an embarrassment and shame to our founding fathers.

Even the people of Hong Kong make us all look like timid little pussies.

America will have its own Pol Pot within fifteen years.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 16, 2019 03:59 PM (lD3vL)

420 253 If'n I were McConnell...

1. House votes to impeach but doesn't transmit report.
2. McConnell schedules trial anyway. States that everyone knows what the House did but, apparently, they're too incompetent to know how to do their job.
3. Call on the prosecution to present their case. Either they do and are shown to be buffoons or don't and are shown to be idiots.
4. Regardless of the outcome of step 3, call on the defense to present their case. Allow the Democrats to complain about each and every witness...vote them down and point out that, once again, the Democrats are not interested in getting to the truth.
5. Acquit.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 16, 2019 03:33 PM (ExV1e)

====

6. Confirm another batch of judges just to rub it in.

Posted by: can of spam at December 16, 2019 03:59 PM (g0aRc)

421 I would dare to say that media and it's lying beyond reproach to the American Public for the last several decades has done more to harm society than PORN has.

By leaps and bounds and balloon fake tits.

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 03:59 PM (Zz0t1)

422 Everything is a slippery slope if you want it to be.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (qQ7kL)

Trusting the government with more power, at a time when it already has too much, is how you take those last few steps to totalitarianism.

If you can't see the danger, the problem isn't with me.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (J+mig)

423 Yep. If 18 is old enough for the Army it's old enough for everything else.

Posted by: eleven at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (M0u+N)

424 Sponge!

Posted by: First! at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (kTF2Z)

425 415 412 Here we are about to raise the national tobacco age to 21. Don't be surprised when people seek using the same power of government to limit other things.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 03:57 PM (sX1BW)
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Young man! You can go off to war, die in battle, all before the age of 21. However, cigarettes? No way, because those things are dangerous!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 03:58 PM (S/yWr)

Progressivism makes a crime out growing up.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (JFO2v)

426 416 I don't give a shit about porn, never did. I never really indulged in it, and I don't do stripper or go-go bars either. I was just never into window shopping. At the same time I say nooo fucking way the government should have the power to ban it. Its a way slippery slope.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 03:59 PM (nNPAz)
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Yep.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (S/yWr)

427 421 I would dare to say that media and it's lying beyond reproach to the American Public for the last several decades has done more to harm society than PORN has.

By leaps and bounds and balloon fake tits.
Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 03:59 PM (Zz0t1)

==========

Leftist control of the education system.

Go join your local school board.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (q80AH)

428 McConnell should laugh and dismiss the impeachment because neither "charge" brought against Trump IS A CRIME.

This is an embarrassing open buttfucking of the American public and our CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (Zz0t1)

429 I find eating cheddar cheese while watching porn to be quite pleasurable.

Posted by: Jolo at December 16, 2019 04:01 PM (WrMOC)

430 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 03:55 PM (AzW6q)

And I also understand you point and basically agree with you.

Now I feel I have to flame you because you're not supposed to acknowledge each other's positions at aos.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 04:01 PM (qQ7kL)

431 The Turtle should tell Chucky " How's it feel to want?"

Posted by: Skip at December 16, 2019 04:01 PM (ZCEU2)

432 Well we will see. After not allowing any Trump witnesses in the House, Schumer wants to dictate the witness list in the Senate. If McConnell doesn't say LOLGF, then he is dumber than a box of rocks.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 16, 2019 04:01 PM (r+sAi)

433 I " might" feel differently if not convinced that our governments hand is not fundamentally turned against us.


Nah, government is what we should be protected AGAINST.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 04:01 PM (90T4r)

434 406 It is not defending porn it is making sure no one gives the government the power of censorship to abuse.
Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:53 PM (HALdu)
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Yeah, I dislike porn, but, I also understand the cure, government intervention, is even worse.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (S/yWr)

Right Wing Derth Quads and helicopter rides would shut down the porn production in our country pretty quick. And for free.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 04:01 PM (iLaBB)

435 Young man! You can go off to war, die in battle, all before the age of 21. However, cigarettes? No way, because those things are dangerous!
Posted by: blake


However, they want kids to be able to vote at 16.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (vc6c9)

436 414 409
describe your enforcement mechanism

Posted by: not so at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (HALdu)

Hand it off to DOJ, they'll run around suing major purveyors as is their wont. Essentially what we do with a number of major laws/regulations.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (7nTlT)


You might add, " selectively sue" whomever they want to sue.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 03:58 PM (90T4r)

That's true but given their greed you effectively achieve a fairly noninvasive ban(there's not really much in the way of monitoring or a new bureaucracy, suits would tend to occur on as opportunistic as reported basis).

The argument that it can't be done to a reasonable degree without giving the government direct control over the internet is incorrect.

Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (7nTlT)

437 In Sweden we speak Arabic

Posted by: Muhammad Muhammadquist at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (CKCGT)

438 I find eating cheddar cheese while watching porn to be quite pleasurable.


It is the single most popular cheese in the world..

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (FVvBL)

439 Leftist control of the education system.

Go join your local school board.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (q80AH)

Not sure that would work out well for me or my kid.....I've contemplated it, however.

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (Zz0t1)

440 Here we are about to raise the national tobacco age to 21. Don't be surprised when people seek using the same power of government to limit other things.

But we are still on track to universally decriminalize marijuana, right?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (lD3vL)

441 Right Wing Derth Quads and helicopter rides would shut down the porn production in our country pretty quick. And for free.
Posted by: squirrelly dan



And doesn't do shit against Russia.

Unless you plan for our internet to be policed like China's is.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 04:03 PM (vc6c9)

442
Trusting the government with more power, at a time when it already has too much, is how you take those last few steps to totalitarianism.

If you can't see the danger, the problem isn't with me.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (J+mig)

My point is if you see everything as a slippery slope then it becomes a free for all.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 04:03 PM (qQ7kL)

443 The Turtle should tell Chucky " How's it feel to want?"
Posted by: Skip at December 16, 2019 04:01 PM (ZCEU2)



Or, like my mother used to say, "want in one hand, shit in the other. Tell me which one fills up first."

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 04:03 PM (Zz0t1)

444 Go join your local school board.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (q80AH)

seconded only to reinforce the importance. The Left does this, they know how much it matters. We can't even get first time R voters from 2016 to back it up in the off year. Not here, but people really don't understand that the big issues are decided at the state level.

Posted by: Quint at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (n13/j)

445 No one is going to stop the Left but us. Forget McConnell and Graham and Barr and anybody else. You can't count on them. We will put them on their heels in November 2020 or we won't.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (H8QX8)

446
And I will admit that I may have a bit of Political Trauma Stress Disorder going on, here... I will never, ever forgive myself for defending the PATRIOT Act.

The Left was right about it, except they neglected to mention THEY'D be the ones to rampantly abuse it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (AzW6q)

447 435
Young man! You can go off to war, die in battle, all before the age of
21. However, cigarettes? No way, because those things are dangerous!

Posted by: blake





However, they want kids to be able to vote at 16.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (vc6c9)

And have abortions without parental consent from the moment they hit puberty.

Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (rP4OC)

448 369
Some folks here seem really defensive regarding pron.

Posted by: SMH at December 16, 2019 03:51 PM (RU4sa)

Aside from any potential affinity I may or more likely may not have with porn, banning it is a monumental stupid and expensive idea.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (1CjJc)

449 Here we are about to raise the national tobacco age to 21. Don't be surprised when people seek using the same power of government to limit other things.

But we are still on track to universally decriminalize marijuana, right?

---------------

We have never been about decriminalizing marijuana.

Just about figuring out how the state can control and rent seek from it.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (sX1BW)

450 Yeah, I dislike porn, but, I also understand the cure, government intervention, is even worse.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (S/yWr)

And ultimately, it'd be uses as another attempt to justify a gun ban. "Look, we banned something pervasive, we can totally ban guns!"

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (J+mig)

451 Don't blame you. Swedish death metal isn't for everyone. I dig them though.



They just do straight Prog Rock nowadays. I like Prog but not their variety of it.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 03:56 PM (H9cB7)

I got nooo problem with death metal, I played a shitload of it in my time. I really like Amon Amarth, but thats more like a viking metal and more my style. I lean waaay towards skandi metal to start with. It might have actually been the prog elements of opeth that turned me off. It was a tad weird.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (nNPAz)

452 442
Trusting the government with more power, at a time when it already has too much, is how you take those last few steps to totalitarianism.

If you can't see the danger, the problem isn't with me.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 04:00 PM (J+mig)

My point is if you see everything as a slippery slope then it becomes a free for all.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 04:03 PM (qQ7kL)

==========

How about we roll back one power before we give it another?

Let's start with secret courts that give an unelected bureaucracy the authority to spy on any American citizen it wants. Get rid of that, and then I'll consider supporting the federal government going after porn.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (q80AH)

453 Did somebody tell Schumer by not transmitting the articles, they are in breach of the House oath?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (r+sAi)

454 Between Leftists taking over the media or the public school system

I'll take door number.............

Posted by: Skip at December 16, 2019 04:05 PM (ZCEU2)

455 Don't know if anyone still speaks Swedish. Isn't it one of those dead countries, like Latinia, that spoke Latin?

I knew a guy that spoke "Ruffia." He was a Ruffian.

Posted by: CtHillary, Dead but Dreaming... at December 16, 2019 04:05 PM (JXKKq)

456 As I've said before - I'm only nominally on the same side as most everyone here. I'm not a Republican, and I'm not a Conservative. Used to be - certainly not anymore.

And I'm only on your side, for now, because you're not in charge. If you ever get in charge - Republicans and Conservatives will be just as miserable to live around as Democrats and Progressives. Neither side can help themselves but to go around fixing things whenever they're in charge. And you're all so fucking sure that you're right.

Porn won't be the end of it. Doing good ain't got no end.

Posted by: Clayton Bigsby at December 16, 2019 04:05 PM (D4H9I)

457 Nude Scoldilocks.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 16, 2019 04:05 PM (FVvBL)

458 Did somebody tell Schumer by not transmitting the articles, they are in breach of the House oath?

Democrats and oaths?

Seriously?

LOL.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 16, 2019 04:06 PM (lD3vL)

459 And ultimately, it'd be uses as another attempt to justify a gun ban. "Look, we banned something pervasive, we can totally ban guns!"

-------------------

I think you have those things backwards.

Look they are trying to ban my guns. Why can't they ban porn?

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 04:06 PM (sX1BW)

460 Does anyone hear really trust government to control our access to information ? Hell, it's bad enough as it is, with the corporate monopolies.

Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 04:06 PM (90T4r)

461 My point is if you see everything as a slippery slope then it becomes a free for all.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 04:03 PM (qQ7kL)

And if you don't see a greased chute as a slippery slope, you're blind.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 04:06 PM (J+mig)

462 Did somebody tell Schumer by not transmitting the articles, they are in breach of the House oath?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (r+sAi)

They. Don't. Care.

Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 04:06 PM (Zz0t1)

463 If we allow government to take over the porn industry it will be all ugly people and no one will want to watch it anyway.

Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 04:06 PM (v0R5T)

464 To me sounds like Chucky wants to take his ball and bat home with him and stop the game.

Posted by: Skip at December 16, 2019 04:06 PM (ZCEU2)

465 447
435

Young man! You can go off to war, die in battle, all before the age of

21. However, cigarettes? No way, because those things are dangerous!


Posted by: blake








However, they want kids to be able to vote at 16.



Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (vc6c9)

And have abortions without parental consent from the moment they hit puberty.


Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (rP4OC)

Oh, and begin transgender hormones and surgery before they know how to spell their own name or count to 5.

Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 16, 2019 04:07 PM (rP4OC)

466 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 03:54 PM (nNPAz)
*********
Nightwish is Better

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 16, 2019 04:07 PM (BqBId)

467 Does anyone hear really trust government to control our access to information ? Hell, it's bad enough as it is, with the corporate monopolies.
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 04:06 PM (90T4r)

Beware of those who would deny you access to information, in their hearts, they dream themselves your masters.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 04:07 PM (J+mig)

468 463 - They would enforce diversity, you get fat chicks and trans genders and like it.

Posted by: Skip at December 16, 2019 04:08 PM (ZCEU2)

469 I accept most of the criticisms of porn, including some feminist ones (stopped clocks and all that). But I can't agree with government prosecutions. 1. It's a poor expenditure of limited law-enforcement funds. 2. With modern-day electronics, amateur porn is so easy and prevalent that going after the professionals won't really dampen the supply. 3. Given the anti-First Amendment culture that is developing in some quarters, I'm not for rolling back rights in that area of the law in any context, because it'll be cited as precedent for the next limitation. 4. I find what-about-the-children arguments unpersuasive; it's the parents' job to see to their children's wellbeing, rather than demanding that society be child-proofed.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2019 04:08 PM (e46OR)

470 Here we are about to raise the national tobacco
age to 21. Don't be surprised when people seek using the same power of
government to limit other things.



But we are still on track to universally decriminalize marijuana, right?





Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (lD3vL)

"but I really can stand smoke so it is ok if they simply ban it", says everyone who doesn't understand too much about small government and liberty.

They get you by banning things you want banned and then you wonder how they got the power to ban the things you cherish.

Posted by: Quint at December 16, 2019 04:08 PM (n13/j)

471 Dear Chuck the Schmuck,

FOAD.

Yours,

Normal Americans

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at December 16, 2019 04:08 PM (T09ml)

472 Any governmental effort large enough and effective enough to ban pr0n in the US is the same one that would install sharia as law of the land.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 16, 2019 04:09 PM (GPz65)

473 Let's start with secret courts that give an unelected bureaucracy the authority to spy on any American citizen it wants. Get rid of that, and then I'll consider supporting the federal government going after porn.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (q80AH

Unless the court was in on it it wasn't the court that authorized illegal spying. It was the individual coup members who lied to the court .

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 04:09 PM (qQ7kL)

474 If we allow government to take over the porn industry it will be all ugly people and no one will want to watch it anyway.



next ... evenink wear!

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 16, 2019 04:10 PM (FVvBL)

475 472 Any governmental effort large enough and effective enough to ban pr0n in the US is the same one that would install sharia as law of the land.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 16, 2019 04:09 PM (GPz65)

Yep. And ban anything else our would-be rulers don't want, like guns.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 04:10 PM (J+mig)

476 However, they want kids to be able to vote at 16.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 04:02 PM (vc6c9)
++++++++++++++
I despise this bifurcated adulthood we have legally.

The vote - that is, a full member of society - should be tied to everything else (well, vice-versa).

If you want to have a vote, you have to be an adult. If you want to give someone the vote, they have to be adults - full adults.

If you can vote, you have to have all of the rights and responsibilities of adulthood. Right now, that doesn't happen until 21. The voting age should be 21.

Do they want it to be 16? Okay. So long as:
1) Public school has finished for most by that time.
2) That group registers for Selective Service and can perform military service.
3) They can buy firearms of any kind (including pistols).
4) They can gamble where it is legal.
5) They can drink alcohol legally.
6) They can enter into contracts and own property on their own.
7) They are tried as adults for crimes.
Etc.
9) Etc.

This "you can vote but don't have the full rights of a citizen" crap is humiliating for both the individual (who is denied those same full rights of citizenship) and for the polity in general (who has people who are unworthy of the full rights of citizenship voting).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2019 04:10 PM (I2dne)

477 473 Let's start with secret courts that give an unelected bureaucracy the authority to spy on any American citizen it wants. Get rid of that, and then I'll consider supporting the federal government going after porn.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 04:04 PM (q80AH

Unless the court was in on it it wasn't the court that authorized illegal spying. It was the individual coup members who lied to the court .
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 04:09 PM (qQ7kL)

=========

Since the stopgaps in place were so weak for something so huge, I'm going to assume that anything the federal government does regarding porn will be just as bad.

Get rid of the courts first.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 04:10 PM (q80AH)

478 Oh, and nood.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 16, 2019 04:11 PM (GPz65)

479 I knew it was coming

Posted by: Skip at December 16, 2019 04:13 PM (ZCEU2)

480 I'll just add that every adult in this country has the power, and the right, to ban porn in their own household whenever they choose.

So what we're talking about is people too damn lazy to ban it in their own homes, or really excited about banning it in their neighbor's homes.

Posted by: Clayton Bigsby at December 16, 2019 04:13 PM (D4H9I)

481 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 04:10 PM (q80AH)


Come on JM. This coup is pretty much unprecedented and unanticipated, at least by most. That such a large and highly placed group was able to coordinate this was not expected.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 04:13 PM (qQ7kL)

482 At the end of the day, the Dems want impeachment without a trial, because they know what will happen. Because like all Stalinists, their show trial wasn't for the benefit of the accused. It one strategy, lets see how it works out.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 16, 2019 04:13 PM (r+sAi)

483 475 472 Any governmental effort large enough and effective enough to ban pr0n in the US is the same one that would install sharia as law of the land.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 16, 2019 04:09 PM (GPz65)

Yep. And ban anything else our would-be rulers don't want, like guns.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 16, 2019 04:10 PM (J+mig)

Our rulers love porn. The Right Wing hates porn. The Left, libertarians, and now conservatives love it.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 16, 2019 04:16 PM (rMbRx)

484 481 I do not believe the abuse of the FISA court process was limited to this.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 16, 2019 04:17 PM (7joQO)

485 I got nooo problem with death metal, I played a shitload of it in my time. I really like Amon Amarth, but thats more like a viking metal and more my style. I lean waaay towards skandi metal to start with. It might have actually been the prog elements of opeth that turned me off. It was a tad weird.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019

++++

Eldest son used to work for Relapse Records.

He likes some weird music, too.

He's also influenced the next generation.

Last year he asked my 5 YO grandson if he'd like to go to a concert.

Guess what he picked?

Iron Maiden

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at December 16, 2019 04:17 PM (T09ml)

486
I think you have those things backwards.

Look they are trying to ban my guns. Why can't they ban porn?
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 04:06 PM (sX1BW)

Isn't the 3rd Amendment to the Constitution the one that guarantees that British porn will not be allowed to quarter in private homes?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 16, 2019 04:18 PM (sy5kK)

487 394
Sooo...I see that Tyrus is the latest Fox News personality to be accused
of something Me-Too related. Suggestive e-mails I guess.
He's fighting back all the way, says he's completely innocent.
They better not pull him off of Greg Gutfeld's show.
They should quit wasting time investigating Tyrus, and drill down on who in management thought it was a good idea to sign off on hiring Britt McHenry, and why. She was already famous for hurling a torrent of abuse at a towing company employee while she was working at ESPN, and then when ESPN declined to renew her contract, she ran around telling the media that she'd been let go because she was white. That's basically like having "Do Not Hire" tattooed on your forehead, and yet somebody at Fox had some reason to hire her. Gotta wonder what kind of "favors" she'd provided and tucked away incriminating evidence of?

Posted by: Snowflake Grill at December 16, 2019 04:22 PM (Isnf2)

488 Nightwish is Better

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 16, 2019 04:07 PM (BqBId)

hell yeah, that chick's voice is proof that god exists and wants us to have nice things.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 04:23 PM (nNPAz)

489 Fed judge E. Sullivan just denied Sydney Powell's motion on behalf of Mike Flynn. Set sentencing for 28 January.






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Posted by: T.Featherstone at December 16, 2019 04:29 PM (+/4Mh)

490 I come for you Featherstone.

Posted by: The Barrel at December 16, 2019 04:33 PM (FVvBL)

491
hell yeah, that chick's voice is proof that god exists and wants us to have nice things.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2019 04:23 PM (nNPAz)
*******
So you have Experienced a Floorgasm

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 16, 2019 05:07 PM (BqBId)

492 You porn lovers must not have much imagination.

Posted by: creeper at December 16, 2019 05:10 PM (XxJt1)

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