Gun Thread: 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries [Weasel]

American-Bullet-Flag-Freedom-Second-Amendment- scaled.jpg

Faithful readers of the Gun Thread will know by now that I try and keep politics out of our weekly discussions. I do this for a couple of reasons. First, I think we all basically agree on the issues, and second, because by the time the weekend comes around I'm usually pretty damn sick and tired of thinking about the constant stream of bullshit from the left. For a few hours I thnk it's nice to have a place where we can discuss guns and shooting without having the veins pop out on our foreheads while pounding the table over the latest outrage. Having said that, I feel compelled to make an exception from time-to-time, and this is one such occasion. Lets find out what in the ever-loving hell I'm talking about below, shall we?

The State of the Commonwealth
In the recent elections in my home state of Virginia, control of the state legislature was taken by the Democrats. There were a number of reasons for this, which yours truly was given the opportunity to rant about here, but whatever the cause, in a few weeks the Democrats will be making the laws with little the Republicans can do to stop them. To make matters worse, we have a certified retard in the governor's mansion whose long stated goal, among other abominations, is to enact a radical agenda of gun control measures. With me so far?

For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Commonwealth, there are really two Virginias (three if you count West Virginia) which are culturally and economically very different. By size, the overwhelming majority of the state is occupied by good, decent, hard-working and God-fearing people. These are people who have lived and worked in the same typically rural places for generations and are predominantly very conservative. The connections to family and the community at-large in these areas is very strong, and so is a long tradition of hunting and gun ownership. By contrast, the areas around DC, Richmond and Hampton Roads are very densely populated by people who rely on the federal and state governments for employment and who often have very little connection to the areas in which they live. While small in relative size, the concentrated population of affluent and liberal-minded people in these places create reliable Democrat Party strongholds.

I will spare you details of the long history of outside money and influence in Virginia politics. Suffice it to say it exists, as for many years the Democrats have seen the opportunity for gains in Virginia. This time it worked and the Democrats in the state will soon be running the show and are ready to enact all of their stupid ideas, beginning with guns. The results of the elections had barely been announced, when all sorts of radical anti-2nd Amendment measures were being advanced in the Virginia House of Delegates, which the Senate can't wait to approve, and which Governor Retard is itching to sign.

Virginia Citizens Defense League
The Virginia Citizens Defense League, or VCDL, describes their purpose as follows:

VCDL is a non-profit, non-partisan, grassroots organization dedicated to advancing the fundamental human right of all Virginians to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article I Section 13 of the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia.

Fortunately, the VCDL takes their work seriously. Amid all the post-election incendiary rhetoric, and with Governor Retard doubling down on stupid and declaring the election represented a gun-control mandate, the VCDL launched a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary campaign and provided sample adoption language to counties and independent cities, with the following results over a matter of weeks:

[credit: Gun Rights Watch]

Pretty impressive, huh? I'm thinking there was a mandate after all, but it's not exactly what Governor Retard thinks it is, and with him muttering about "consequences" for localities that don't comply, this idiot decides to up the ante and pour gas on the fire by suggesting the Virginia National Guard may be needed to enforce the anticipated new laws. This in turn resulted in the Adjutant General of Virginia releasing the following statement:

"We have received multiple questions regarding proposed legislation for the 2020 General Assembly session and the authority of the Governor of Virginia to employ the Virginia National Guard in a law enforcement role. We understand and respect the passion people feel for the U.S. Constitution and 2nd Amendment rights. We will not speculate about the possible use of the Virginia National Guard. I encourage everyone to be patient while we allow our elected officials to work through the legislative process. We have not received any requests from the Governor, or anyone on his staff, about serving in a law enforcement role related to any proposed legislation. I expect our Soldiers, Airmen and members of the Virginia Defense Force to be professional and respectful in their discussions about this subject. As private citizens, our personnel are free to express their opinions to their elected officials, but they should not engage in any political activity while in a uniformed status. We will provide regular updates when appropriate during the General Assembly session. Please utilize your chain of command to direct any questions or concerns to my office, and we will do our best to address them."
- Maj. Gen. Timothy P. Williams, the Adjutant General of VA

So we have a lot to unpack here, and I'm going to let you do the unpacking. I realize the 2nd Amendment Sanctuary declarations hold little weight in terms of the law, but they sure as hell send an unambiguous message to Richmond and the rest of the nation regarding the opinion of the people of Virginia on the subject of gun control. My little farm is located in Appomattox County, and I'm here to tell you this is the topic being discussed both in public places and in private conversations around the dinner table. Said another way, the people in the overwhelming majority of the Commonwealth are not amused. Already tired of the antics in Washington and Richmond, any significant push in this direction could very well have dire consequences.

So how about you all? How far away is this from happening where you live?

******

Link-O-Rama

Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
Palmetto State Armory
SG Ammo
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan

***Mail Bag***

Why didn't I think of this? [H/T multiple people]

******

Please note the new and improved gmail account morongunthread at gmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

(Jump to bottom of comments)

1
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 15, 2019 07:03 PM (L83do)

2 pew
pew pew pew
pew

Posted by: vmom and the book thief haters club at December 15, 2019 07:03 PM (G546f)

3 Never give up your guns.

Never.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2019 07:04 PM (Z+IKu)

4 Evening all!

Took another new shooter to the range this week. He was kind of neutral towards the entire 2A thing beforehand but enjoyed the heck out of his range time. Already has requested I take him again.

He is now definitely leaning towards buying his own shootin' iron once he gets himself further educated.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 07:07 PM (Y4EXg)

5 That turret is so freakin' cool that I can't even.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 15, 2019 07:07 PM (uDh3k)

6
Your little farm? The vast desmene with the downtrodden indentured laboring under the stern gaze of that fierce overseer, WeaselDog?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 15, 2019 07:07 PM (7rVsF)

7 I'm downright alarmed over the statements being made about confiscating arms. If I recall correctly, there was talk about outlawing all forms of self-defense. Is there anything the rest of us can do to support our brothers in Virginia?

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:08 PM (87gB3)

8 sick and tired of thinking about the constant stream of bullshit from the left

I was sitting in front of some doodz and left of some other doodz when I was trying to watch the Houston game (against the exHouston team, at the exHouston stadium). Both sets of doodz did their best to ruin the occasion with loud political discussions.

Didn't know what their brand of politics was. Didn't care. I wanted to watch the game.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 15, 2019 07:08 PM (ykYG2)

9 And how we burned in the camps later...

Posted by: jsg at December 15, 2019 07:09 PM (3BoiW)

10 Top 10 at least
I want one for my truck, ball turret that is

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:09 PM (ZCEU2)

11 7 I'm downright alarmed over the statements being made about confiscating arms. If I recall correctly, there was talk about outlawing all forms of self-defense. Is there anything the rest of us can do to support our brothers in Virginia?
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:08 PM (87gB3)
---------
Take notes and try to keep it from happening where you live.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

12
What they can get away with this time determines what they'll demand the next time.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 15, 2019 07:10 PM (7rVsF)

13

He is now definitely leaning towards buying his own shootin' iron once he gets himself further educated.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 07:07 PM (Y4EXg)
-------
Great job, Tonypete!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

14
If the VCDL makes an appeal for militia volunteers to the other 49 states in the union, I believe many Americans will travel there and assist with the defense of the Commonwealth.

Virginia is a smaller version of the Dem/Nazi power grab that will happen if the national government is run by the Dems.

The Dems continue to push the country to cw2. They need to understand what will happen if they continue on this course.

Posted by: Sapwolf at December 15, 2019 07:11 PM (nuv3n)

15 Your little farm? The vast desmene with the downtrodden indentured laboring under the stern gaze of that fierce overseer, WeaselDog?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 15, 2019 07:07 PM (7rVsF)
------
That's the one!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

16 Interesting update on what's happening in VA. That map is pretty impressive. Curious? Do you know what the darker green "Additional Measures" includes?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (Dhht7)

17 Anyway, where I live in CO, this is a far FAR left town. I do not have my finger on the pulse of the mountain valleys or the basically-desert eastern third. I know there was talk about secession but that's all it was - a lot of talk.

Governor Polis is more intelligent than Governor Blackface so really hasn't done much on guns; he's been more interested in rearranging the economy in this state, to make it dependent on Denver.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (ykYG2)

18 As usual, I have questions:

I have a Hoppe's gun cleaning kit. As far as any rags I use to wipe off excess cleaner and lube, can the rags be laundered and re-used? Can I put them in with normal laundry, or must they be washed separately? Are they a fire hazard in the meantime?

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (87gB3)

19 Good evening, Mr. Weasel. You Second Amendment guys have wrought mighty labors for the Commonwealth. Well done! Couple things, your VNG Adj. Gen seems to be a sensible soldier, and not entirely a politician, and Virginia is a lesson and harbinger for America, even for Texas. And stop me if I natter on about the Glock 44, a nifty .22 long rifle-calibered Glock, yay! And since there was more Kraken left than Ezra Brooks, I finished of the EB. Am I nattering yet?

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (UUkQp)

20 One can only hope the overreach by a state government will wake up people elsewhere. Pennsylvania could be another like Virginia with big urban areas and lots of space between that is well stocked in firearms. While we have a Democrat governor the state house is still Republican.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (ZCEU2)

21 16 Interesting update on what's happening in VA. That map is pretty impressive. Curious? Do you know what the darker green "Additional Measures" includes?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (Dhht7)
-------
No sure really. I think the county sheriff in Culpeper has threatened to deputize all the gun owners in the county.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

22
And Weasel in a white suit sitting on the veranda of his stately manor house sipping a julip brought to him by a cringing liveried lackey.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 15, 2019 07:15 PM (7rVsF)

23 If VA gets sporty, I've given some thought to visiting some Civil War 1 battlegrounds.

And yes, I have already put my name down for a Glock 44 in .22

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 07:16 PM (d1uFV)

24 We are in Frederick County and this is likewise the same conversation many of us are having.

I really hope the elected representatives see they will lose elections if they start mandating this nonsense. Then again, the other possibility of them slow-walking these things in is another danger (viz., universal background checks).

Posted by: DC at December 15, 2019 07:17 PM (/TvO8)

25 18 As usual, I have questions:

I have a Hoppe's gun cleaning kit. As far as any rags I use to wipe off excess cleaner and lube, can the rags be laundered and re-used? Can I put them in with normal laundry, or must they be washed separately? Are they a fire hazard in the meantime?
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (87gB3)

I wash my cleaning rags in the washer by themselves with a good amount of Tide.

Seems to work ok that way.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 07:17 PM (d1uFV)

26 18 As usual, I have questions:

I have a Hoppe's gun cleaning kit. As far as any rags I use to wipe off excess cleaner and lube, can the rags be laundered and re-used? Can I put them in with normal laundry, or must they be washed separately? Are they a fire hazard in the meantime?
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (87gB3)
-------
I wouldn't wash them for fear of messing up the washing machine. I just reuse mine.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

27 Weasel, I emailed this last night so it was probably too late to make it into this week's thread, but Palmetto State is selling a special edition lower to help fund the VCDL:
https://tinyurl.com/wtbh7ac

Posted by: Bert G at December 15, 2019 07:17 PM (OMsf+)

28
Seems to work ok that way.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 07:17 PM (d1uFV)
----
Good to know!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

29 It's illegal to teach a person to operate a handgun in Virginia.
Honk
Honk

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 15, 2019 07:18 PM (aqwWL)

30 The new 1/48 HK B-17G Flying Fortress kit has a Sperry ball turret that has to have over a dozen pieces. Bad news still no ammo feeds or ability to open hatch.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 15, 2019 07:19 PM (FP0mT)

31 I wouldn't wash them for fear of messing up the washing machine. I just reuse mine.
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

Special storage instructions? Seems like the rags would be rather flammable.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:19 PM (87gB3)

32 "How far away is this from happening where you live?"

There are two Georgias too. Atlanta and the larger cities are infected by all of the varieties of lefty insanity. Out away from that there are hell of a lot of gun owners and rednecks who are not about to put up with no big city faggot coming round to take their guns.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 07:19 PM (Tnijr)

33 19 Good evening, Mr. Weasel. You Second Amendment guys have wrought mighty labors for the Commonwealth. Well done! Couple things, your VNG Adj. Gen seems to be a sensible soldier, and not entirely a politician, and Virginia is a lesson and harbinger for America, even for Texas. And stop me if I natter on about the Glock 44, a nifty .22 long rifle-calibered Glock, yay! And since there was more Kraken left than Ezra Brooks, I finished of the EB. Am I nattering yet?
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (UUkQp)
----
Natter away, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

34 I wash my cleaning rags in the washer by themselves with a good amount of Tide.

Seems to work ok that way.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 07:17 PM (d1uFV)

Thanks, Mark.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:20 PM (87gB3)

35 Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (87gB3)

I always wash my rags once by themselves (or maybe some other towels or miscellany), in hot water. Then leave them in for a second pass with a regular load.

I have never had a problem with oil, Hoppes, or any lingering stink.

Posted by: Pete Polarek at December 15, 2019 07:20 PM (C1NyB)

36 Come on over to West Virginia. Our gun laws are: 1) Don't shoot people unless you have a good reason; 2) You don't need a permit for open or concealed carry.

We left Virginia long ago, but we have plenty of room in the hollers for a few of our progenitors from The Old Dominion.

Posted by: Elric at December 15, 2019 07:21 PM (oSDkQ)

37 Anyway, did visit the range with the Nurse.
We were trying out some double tap drills with .22, since getting the trigger finger a good workout is easier than with Fiocci 9mm.

We tried transitioning to different parts of the target, putting two pills into it, then shooting another location.

It's not something we're great at, but we practiced. Wound up the session with a box of full power ammo. The Glock 36 I bought has an aftermarket trigger that is super light and super crisp. At 40 feet or less, it's a fucking laser.

Also shot my XD9 a bit, which is a VERY different trigger from my CZ P07. After so many weeks of mostly shooting the CZ, I had to relearn how to shoot striker fired pistols.

I wish Springfield Armory had an adapter like CZ has the Kadet. The Advantage Arms slide I bought was junk. Just junk, sights fell off in the first range session.

Anyway....Glock 44 should be good. Wish it came in more than 10 round capacity. If Beretta can figure out a 15 round magazine, Glock should.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 07:21 PM (d1uFV)

38 As usual, I have questions:
I have a Hoppe's gun cleaning kit. As far as any rags I use to wipe off excess cleaner and lube, can the rags be laundered and re-used? Can I put them in with normal laundry, or must they be washed separately? Are they a fire hazard in the meantime?
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (87gB3)

I use paper towels. Use, toss, no worries.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2019 07:21 PM (Z+IKu)

39 Also, everyone feel free to utilize my new moniker for the VA governor: "Mao Jolson".

Posted by: Bert G at December 15, 2019 07:21 PM (OMsf+)

40 27 Weasel, I emailed this last night so it was probably too late to make it into this week's thread, but Palmetto State is selling a special edition lower to help fund the VCDL:
https://tinyurl.com/wtbh7ac
Posted by: Bert G at December 15, 2019 07:17 PM (OMsf+)
------
I saw that and thanks for posting the link here Bert G!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

41 Those bastards in Richmond will not give up as long as they are in office. Even if they have to back track a little from their goal of confiscation, it will be temporary and they will look at other ways to fvck the citizens like screwing with access to ammo.

BTW, I am not reassured by the statement from the head of the National Guard. It is no assurance that he cares about the 2A.

Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2019 07:22 PM (7EjX1)

42 I saw that and thanks for posting the link here Bert G!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:22 PM

Happy to help out!

Posted by: Bert G at December 15, 2019 07:23 PM (OMsf+)

43 And another thing, I talked to a RN the other day who was asking about how to choose their FIRST firearm. I resisted flaying them over waiting this long, and explained the process of mission, fit, purchase, and training. How the fcuk does a 29+ year old in today's Texas not have at least one firearm and the skills to use it? Their dad is a co-worker so I was gentle.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 07:23 PM (UUkQp)

44 Ezra Pound wrote a short poem called, "The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner"

Posted by: mnw at December 15, 2019 07:23 PM (Cssks)

45 I use paper towels. Use, toss, no worries.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2019 07:21 PM (Z+IKu)

Yeah, I considered that, especially those shop paper towels that I think are designed to be low lint.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:23 PM (87gB3)

46 It was Dahl

And they washed me out withba hose.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 15, 2019 07:24 PM (FP0mT)

47 What is the NRA doing in Virginia? Can't some lawsuits be filed or something? Are they doing anything to challenge the blatent violations of your constitutional rights?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 07:24 PM (Tnijr)

48 OT: I love Appomattox County. I could live there. I did a week long trip through parts of VA this summer. Appomattox was one of the stops. Lovely area. BR Pkwy is also gorgeous. Sorry about my neck of VA (Alexandria). It has very little relation to the rest of the state.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 15, 2019 07:24 PM (DR/Dl)

49 I liv in true blue DE but even ther they have not been so bold as to enact any anti-2nd A laws, despite the chance last year,.

Posted by: Mikey at December 15, 2019 07:25 PM (rkNc+)

50 Anna Puma

"no... ability to open the hatch" was a problem on the REAL one, too.

Posted by: mnw at December 15, 2019 07:25 PM (Cssks)

51
BTW, I am not reassured by the statement from the head of the National Guard. It is no assurance that he cares about the 2A.
Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2019 07:22 PM (7EjX1)
------
Noticed that too, huh?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:25 PM (MVjcR)

52 Another way of looking at the Va map is that most of the islands of red are college towns. And we taxpayers are subsidizing those bastions of 2A hate.

That ball turret is bad. ass. I want one. And southwestern ranch to shoot it in.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at December 15, 2019 07:25 PM (coLd8)

53 Unpacking the statement from the Maj. Gen. Williams, I see someone who is, at very least, a professional. He clearly understands politics better than his civilian overlords.

The language about understanding and respecting the people's passion for their enumerated rights could be read both ways, though - given his professionalism and political acumen demonstrated by his statement - I'm leaning toward him tactfully letting the governor know that he may go fvck himself should the time comes.

Posted by: McLurkerson at December 15, 2019 07:25 PM (1hM5m)

54 I saw where one county in New Jersey was going 2A sanctuary. There may have to be a showdown.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 07:25 PM (Tnijr)

55 Red Flag Law goes into effect in CO in January. Some sheriffs and county commissioners have made declarations opposed to enforcing the law. I suppose there will be some test cases. I wonder if there will be a surge of reports beginning in Jan.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2019 07:26 PM (m45I2)

56 47 What is the NRA doing in Virginia? Can't some lawsuits be filed or something? Are they doing anything to challenge the blatent violations of your constitutional rights?
Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 07:24 PM (Tnijr)
-------
The NRA? Who the hell knows. I don't have a lot of faith in them frankly.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

57 One caution with rags and chemicals that burn is keeping them safe and away from other flammable materials until disposal. Air them if possible and do not store in a sealed container.
Personally I take them to the burn barrel straight away if possible, and also taliking about paint thinner or mineral spirits as well as gun cleaner.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:27 PM (ZCEU2)

58 54 I saw where one county in New Jersey was going 2A sanctuary. There may have to be a showdown.
Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 07:25 PM (Tnijr)
-------
Check out the Gun Rights Watch link.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

59 "Take notes and try to keep it from happening where you live."

Note 1. Do not elect Democrats. Ever.
Note 2. See note 1.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at December 15, 2019 07:28 PM (coLd8)

60 Here's the article about outlawing all forms of self-defense.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/uv5kyt2

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:28 PM (87gB3)

61 Polesucker may be more discreet but I don't know that he's smarter than the VA pols.

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners (RMGO) has been sending emails with an alleged wish list the CO demo-fascists want to pass here. Haven't seen much in the news, yet...

>>> 21 16 Interesting update on what's happening in VA. That map is pretty impressive. Curious? Do you know what the darker green "Additional Measures" includes?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (Dhht7)
-------
No sure really. I think the county sheriff in Culpeper has threatened to deputize all the gun owners in the county.
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

I very much like this idea, and not just for the immediate concern. I would like to see more genuine community involvement and less of the hmm, "standing army" style police force complete with actual military surplus.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 15, 2019 07:28 PM (0ReGO)

62 Posted by: Puddleglum at December 15, 2019 07:24 PM (DR/Dl)
-------
That's where I'm headed!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

63 Mark Andrew Edwards @ 23- GT Distributors Blue Label 359.00 pre-order for 1/20/20. Whoohoo! and just when (looks over shoulder, whispers) Mrs. E told me NOT to attend gubshow today, or at least not spend any money.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 07:29 PM (UUkQp)

64 Here is Loudoun County (Virginia) our idiotic and wholly worthless board of supervisors were asked to consider the 2nd Amendment sanctuary question. They declined to even consider it saying that the US Constitution already does that. Never mind that it would have to come to an actual physical confrontation between a gun owner and the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office to even bring the US Constitution into play. And by the time it reaches SCOTUS, the gun owner will have been in jail (assuming he refuses to hand them over) for a considerable amount of time. So, I believe it's important for we law-abiding gun owners in LoCo, to appeal to Sheriff Mike Chapman to not allow his deputies or any LCSO money to be spent enforcing any new laws.

Posted by: TimInVirginia at December 15, 2019 07:30 PM (621ey)

65 I have stated a few times the last few days I think it's wishful thinking on the part of some representative and will not come to gun confiscation by the NG.
But if they are going to start the civil war II Virginia is a good place, they have seen it before.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:30 PM (ZCEU2)

66 I think the problem has already happened in CO. The state has gone from red to blue in my lifetime. It sucks.

Posted by: Ronster at December 15, 2019 07:30 PM (Ydtlf)

67 Sounds like the VA Gov is spoiling for a hot war.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2019 07:31 PM (NWiLs)

68 Posted by: McLurkerson at December 15, 2019 07:25 PM (1hM5m)
-------
I wish I knew more about the guy. Agreed it's a very measured and carefully worded statement.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

69 "What is the NRA doing in Virginia?"

Dunno. It's not like their HQ is based in Fairfax County or anything...

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at December 15, 2019 07:31 PM (coLd8)

70 "The NRA? Who the hell knows. I don't have a lot of faith in them frankly."

Me either. They seem to be pretty good at wasting a lot of money on junk mail though.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 07:31 PM (Tnijr)

71 That Ball turret video is great. Bomber Camp. In a real B-17 or B-24. With a 250 pound dummy bomb and using a Norden bombsight.

OMG!!! Is this a great country or what?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2019 07:32 PM (u82oZ)

72 I wouldn't wash them for fear of messing up the washing machine. I just reuse mine.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

May be a late comment that was already covered, but if you are on well and septic, I would definitely NOT recommend washing gun-cleaning rags!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 07:32 PM (BiNEL)

73 But Weasel you see why you need a dug in bunker at least.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:33 PM (ZCEU2)

74 The ball turret vid is awesome.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 07:33 PM (K22Va)

75
May be a late comment that was already covered, but if you are on well and septic, I would definitely NOT recommend washing gun-cleaning rags!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 07:32 PM (BiNEL)
------
That is a VERY good point!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

76 73 But Weasel you see why you need a dug in bunker at least.
Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:33 PM (ZCEU2)
------
Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

77 69 "What is the NRA doing in Virginia?"

Dunno. It's not like their HQ is based in Fairfax County or anything...
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings

Fairfax County; the Natural Habitat of grifters and parasites.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 15, 2019 07:34 PM (DR/Dl)

78 74 The ball turret vid is awesome.
Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 07:33 PM (K22Va)
-----
Isn't it?!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

79 How the fcuk does a 29+ year old in today's Texas not have at least one firearm and the skills to use it? Their dad is a co-worker so I was gentle.
Posted by: Eromero

---

I was under the impression that all infants born in TX hospitals were issued a sidearm as a matter of pride.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 07:34 PM (Y4EXg)

80 Heh heh. Ball turret. Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2019 07:35 PM (NWiLs)

81 I did not go to the range this week! ... but I did last week, and will next week.

In addition to prioritizing my vacation time for MoMees

I'm also planning to go to a couple courses at one or the other of these two:
https://www.frontsight.com
https://www.gunsite.com

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 15, 2019 07:36 PM (0ReGO)

82 I've seen a lot of Little Ceasar's ads today. I guess the young ones don't know how awful that stuff is.

Posted by: jsg at December 15, 2019 07:36 PM (3BoiW)

83 70 "The NRA? Who the hell knows. I don't have a lot of faith in them frankly."

Me either. They seem to be pretty good at wasting a lot of money on junk mail though.
Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 07:31 PM (Tnijr)
---
You made me laugh out loud!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

84 ---
I was sitting in front of some doodz and left of some other doodz when I was trying to watch the Houston game (against the exHouston team, at the exHouston stadium). Both sets of doodz did their best to ruin the occasion with loud political discussions.

Didn't know what their brand of politics was. Didn't care. I wanted to watch the game.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 15, 2019 07:08 PM (ykYG2)

Their quarterback gave the "white power" signal to his men.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 15, 2019 07:36 PM (pGnDm)

85 CO was never truly 'red'. It was always complacently electing hurr durr consrrrvativz into local office and sending Gary Hart and Nighthorse Campbell into the Senate. (Campbell had to wise up, himself.)

Hardly ever sent a R to the Denver governor's mansion.

And now, here we are.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 15, 2019 07:36 PM (ykYG2)

86 ..As usual, I have questions:

I have a Hoppe's gun cleaning kit. As far as any rags I use to wipe off excess cleaner and lube, can the rags be laundered and re-used? Can I put them in with normal laundry, or must they be washed separately? Are they a fire hazard in the meantime?

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 07:14 PM (87gB3)

Yeah, you need a metal can with a spring powered lid for oily rags. Spontaneous Combustion is a REAL thing with decaying VOCs.

And you guys who wash 'em in your home machines aren't doing your machines any favors.

Those solvents are slowly making themselves to the nylon parts in your machines, and believe me, your machine has got a lot of nylon parts in the water-flow.

But you won't notice a fail, till it fails suddenly.

I worked eight years in the Industrial Laundry business, and the machines that do the shop rags are very seriously isolated from the apparel machines.

Also, in the Industrial Laundry plants, the wastewater is both highly regulated and the technology to clean that wastewater of solvents and other solids is expensive, thorough and effective.

Sending that mess downstream to your municipal sewage plant isn't exactly the best thing you can do. And if a working shop does it enough, you can be assured that wastewater treatment plant will send it's "detectives" right back up the lines till it finds the offending point of origin.

Rags are CHEAP. Buy you some new tee shirts already, and feed your rag supply with your cast-offs.

We brag about us all being mature, experienced shooters who pick up all of OUR trash at the range, unlike those crude yahoos who shoot the whole place up and leave shot up 2 liter bottles, ammo boxes and empty beer cans scattered about.

Don't be the crude yahoo who's putting powerful solvents, oils and greases down your drains.

/rant

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 15, 2019 07:36 PM (QzJWU)

87 Their quarterback gave the "white power" signal to his men.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 15, 2019 07:36 PM (pGnDm)



Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2019 07:36 PM (NWiLs)

88 emmie,
I use Hoppes for all my modern gun cleaning. I just use paper towels to wipe off excess cleaner and throw them out with the cotton cleaning patches. They get thrown in the trash. Never had a problem in over 30 years. I do use a silicone impregnated cloth to wipe down the guns before I put them away.

None of this is a problem with black powder weapons which I clean with water. I use the silicone cloth afterwards or, better, wipe them down with Renaissance Wax.

Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2019 07:38 PM (7EjX1)

89 One I am glad the VCDL is now on the case - took a while for their public relations part to catch up. They should be loud about SB16 which would make VA one of the strictest on guns in the country - Maryland would be more free!

Second, I think the 2A Sanctuary counties are...eh. I may be turning around on it seeing that so many have been put in place in VA. But to me it is virtue signalling to the right. It is not a right-wing mirror of immigration sanctuary localities, where they refuse to work with Federal authorities at all, let people out of jail early so they won't get caught, and actually pardon or change change charges to make illegal immigrants not a target for serious criminal designation.

The 2A sanctuary counties are resolutions that county funds can not be expended on enforcement of the new gun control measures. But in most cases they are not enforceable. And is a county not going to help prosecute say, MS-13 running guns?

Where I am starting to turn the corner on this is that the large swath of counties is a stron message to the state.

VCDL is doing a lobbying day Jan 20 in Richmond - I am going to make sure I participate in that.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 07:38 PM (ZfRYq)

90 I'm taking this to mean we need a shoot/scoot target range next year?

Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 07:38 PM (oigoJ)

91 You folks sometimes disappoint me. Don't you know that ANYTHING flammable needs to be disposed of in FLAME?

It's very cool. Safer than putting in your washing machine, too.

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 07:38 PM (r2qz1)

92 No sure really. I think the county sheriff in Culpeper has threatened to deputize all the gun owners in the county.
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

Why would that be a "threat"?

Is a DA plea bargaining criminal aliens down to petty misdemeanors to protect them from deportation making a threat? Similarly, a Governor who pardons convicted aliens for the same reason. Are they making threats?

Not finding fault. Offering the Sheriff a talking point.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2019 07:38 PM (1g7ch)

93 91 You folks sometimes disappoint me. Don't you know that ANYTHING flammable needs to be disposed of in FLAME?

And a beverage.

Beer and Fire. Mmmmmmm.

Posted by: jsg at December 15, 2019 07:39 PM (3BoiW)

94 This all sounds like something we would have here in Illinois already. Our governor is way left and the fvcking mayor of Chicago is even further out. Crook County seems a prime place to try that shit, though the red flag thing probably won't work too well on the south and west sides.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 07:40 PM (K22Va)

95 We have a gun sporting shop going out of business here, everything must go so hoping Wednesday it can be on my way home. No doubt will be a madhouse but could use ammo, cleaning gear.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:40 PM (ZCEU2)

96 "They seem to be pretty good at wasting a lot of money on junk mail"

I keep get fargin' membership renewals every 3 months, even though I'm paid up for multiple years. Do their records suck, or do they just like harassing their members?

They do have a decent indoor range at least.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at December 15, 2019 07:40 PM (coLd8)

97 77 69 "What is the NRA doing in Virginia?"

Dunno. It's not like their HQ is based in Fairfax County or anything...
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings

Fairfax County; the Natural Habitat of grifters and parasites.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 15, 2019 07:34 PM (DR/Dl)

What happened to that dust up: North resigning and Whine LePierre's five thousand dollar suits purchased by the NRA.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 15, 2019 07:41 PM (pGnDm)

98 We had a bunch of new restrictive gun laws pass in WA state. (Not as bad as VA but still). People just say, oh well Seattle. But this state has many conservative areas, that also passed 2nd amendment sanctuary counties. Don't have a solution.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 15, 2019 07:41 PM (Lqy/e)

99
Where I am starting to turn the corner on this is that the large swath of counties is a stron message to the state.

VCDL is doing a lobbying day Jan 20 in Richmond - I am going to make sure I participate in that.
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 07:38 PM (ZfRYq)
---------
Agreed on the messaging.

Matt Bracken had an interesting take on the 1/20 Richmond Rally over at WRSA in the last day or so.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:41 PM (MVjcR)

100 Not sure what the long term holds here in Ohio. Gov. DeWineMom seems to be caving the the "something must be done!" squawking coming from the "concerned" proletariat. I think that the election will clear things up a bit.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 15, 2019 07:41 PM (EgshT)

101 Why has Richmond, VA become the land of the cucks? Lots of my parents friends relocated there to retire, and teh men turned into weeping vaginas over the sins of the Civil War. Serious question btw

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 15, 2019 07:42 PM (aqwWL)

102 91 See my comment at 57
Burn first if possible
Helps warm the globe also so a two for 1

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:42 PM (ZCEU2)

103 NRA-ILA has been on top of the Virginia stuff for a while.

They spent a lot of money during the election.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 07:43 PM (ZfRYq)

104 I keep get fargin' membership renewals every 3 months, even though I'm
paid up for multiple years. Do their records suck, or do they just like
harassing their members?

I get those too. Don't know why but I just toss them and I'll let it run out if it doesn't stop.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 07:43 PM (K22Va)

105 Not sure what the long term holds here in Ohio.
Posted by: Notorious BFD

---

Long term I fear we are toast.

Part of the reason I'm heading out. The other is taxes.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 07:43 PM (Y4EXg)

106 This is unfolding about 1500 miles away but I am keeping an eye on this. We are about to find out how many people know the difference between "legal" and "moral".

My thought is that the politics of guns isn't discussed here because, let's face it, it's preaching to the choir to this crowd; but the enemy does occasionally get a vote, as in VA, and thus intrudes on forums like this one. So the occasional discussing of the issues such as these when the Statist crazies take over a government is not only important, but necessary.

In the meantime, we should continue to practice our hobby, try to introduce more people to it, and close ranks behind national and state gun rights organizations in the meantime in order to convince the clueless governments of the truth: 1) we are not the problem and 2) leave us the f*** alone.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 15, 2019 07:43 PM (dJGLL)

107 The schnizzels will be how they prosecute self defense cases.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 15, 2019 07:44 PM (pGnDm)

108 Ben Had @ 90- Shoot and scoot? I nominate D'OhBoy as the instructor/rangemaster. I'd be proud to be a snuffy on his crew.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 07:44 PM (UUkQp)

109 Eromero, sounds like a good plan to me.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 07:45 PM (oigoJ)

110 ..Ben Had @ 90- Shoot and scoot? I nominate D'OhBoy as the instructor/rangemaster. I'd be proud to be a snuffy on his crew.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 07:44 PM (UUkQp)

Seconded.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 15, 2019 07:46 PM (QzJWU)

111 UGH. I don't understand how a CWP requirement is Constitutional. I have the RIGHT to defend myself. Catholics are under attack. I'm carrying at Mass. No one will ever know unless the shot hits the fan. And then, I think a CWP will be the least of my worries.

Why do I have to be worried about following the rules when no one else is.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 07:46 PM (PkVlr)

112 The proper politics for guns is none.

Unfortunately liberals don't play that way.

My message when I go to lobbying day is that if they pass the law banning ownership of "assault firearms" (or even with the latest proposed grandfather if you register) I am moving out of Virginia. Period. End of sentence.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 07:46 PM (ZfRYq)

113 109 Eromero, sounds like a good plan to me.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 07:45 PM (oigoJ)
--------
That's an excellent idea.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 07:47 PM (MVjcR)

114 I've been looking through a copy of "Sixguns By Keith". It's fun reading and I'm especially enjoying the chapters on long range revolver shooting and reloading. Some of the information is outdated but not much. It's also fun to see how he helped develop what became the 357, 41, and 44 magnum cartridges.

Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2019 07:48 PM (7EjX1)

115 I saw where one county in New Jersey was going 2A sanctuary. There may have to be a showdown.
Posted by: freaked

Which county ?

Posted by: JT at December 15, 2019 07:49 PM (arJlL)

116 Nurse ratched : I've noted here at AOSHQ that Vincent de Paul in Houston forbids parishioners to carry on the premises.

But then, Houston's Cardinal-Bishop covers for paedo, so.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 15, 2019 07:50 PM (ykYG2)

117 Oh, and Gung la gunga !

Posted by: JT at December 15, 2019 07:50 PM (arJlL)

118 Christmas came early for me. Mrs. Simple brought me a WWII "bring-back" that her father scored in Germany in 1946. I am now the happy possessor of a WWI Luger (1915) , which has been stored in a WWII 1911 U.S. tankers rig on a shelf in a closet for the last 75 years. As it was in SoCal, there's no rust, with probably 95 per cent bluing and perfect wood grips. A little cleaning and lube and it goes bang every time the trigger is pulled. I'm happy.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at December 15, 2019 07:50 PM (w7U7L)

119 I will get with Thug Life and see what we need to do to plan this out.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 07:50 PM (oigoJ)

120
The Dems continue to push the country to cw2. They need to understand what will happen if they continue on this course.
Posted by: Sapwolf

Weren't the first major battles of the first CW fought in Virginia? Any CW buffs please feel free to coorect me.

Posted by: Sock Monkey..armed primate at December 15, 2019 07:50 PM (aT8XW)

121 Range report:

I suck. Need more practice. Need to figure out more practical practice. I need to learn how to move and shoot. And hit a moving target.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 07:50 PM (PkVlr)

122 Bloody hell. I have no clue how I copied the entire thread. SMH

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 15, 2019 07:51 PM (dJGLL)

123 We have a gun sporting shop going out of business here, everything must go so hoping Wednesday it can be on my way home. No doubt will be a madhouse but could use ammo, cleaning gear.
Posted by: Skip

A few years back, they opened a gun shop in my town, and a few nights later, thieves broke in and stole EVERY gun !

Posted by: JT at December 15, 2019 07:52 PM (arJlL)

124 This week was the Springfield SAR-48 HB FAL and the Czech VZ-58 in 5.56 instead of the standard 7.62 x 39.

I was shocked, shocked I say, as to the accuracy of the VZ-58 at distance. From 100-200-300-400-500 and 600 yards this rifle delivered hit after hit. I shot 55, 62 and 77 grain out of her and she ate it all but really liked the 62 grain as her barrel is 16.15 inches. Could not miss with this rifle and the iron sights, just like an AK's, delivered. This rifle is big in Canada and I see why.

The Springfield SAR-48 HB FAL is a unique rifle. Put out by Springfield back in the day and built using Israeli parts and an Imbel receiver, she is a semi version of the SAW carried by the IDF in the 60's-70's. Bi-pod included. Even has the thingee that goes up.
Heavy, but fun to shoot. Very accurate and when you get the gas dialed in just right will leave your spent brass in a neat pile a few inches from the rifle.

Kinda of a hoot when your hear the steel go blang! from the 5.56mm then goes BamBlang!!!! from the 7.62 x 51.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2019 07:52 PM (Z+IKu)

125 I see The Barrel is getting fed tonight.

Posted by: Bert G at December 15, 2019 07:52 PM (OMsf+)

126 I have the RIGHT to defend myself. Catholics are under attack. I'm carrying at Mass.

Posted by: Nurse ratched

---

Nurse, just recently our Priest authorized a security team to be stood up for Masses. It is still in it's infancy but at least we started the ball rolling.

(But I, and a number of others, carried long before we were "allowed" to during Mass.)

Shhhhh.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 07:52 PM (Y4EXg)

127 bth, I'm I. The people's republic of Seattle. And I don't gaf what anyone says. I'm not a sacrificial lamb. I'm an American. I have the God given right to protect myself.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 07:52 PM (PkVlr)

128 Caught one!

Posted by: the Barrel at December 15, 2019 07:53 PM (ykYG2)

129 I live in a deep Blue city in a deep Red state. Periodically the state has to gut measures inacted by the city. My guess is this would happen quite swiftly if the city council infringed on firearms rights; much of the "city" is exurban and has high incidents of gun ownership and a lot of hunting. I seriously doubt any city-imposed firearms laws would be imposed on the vibrant, dangerous urban core and the mostly white rural areas would be targeted. So much for "crime control"...

That aside, let's contrast "Sanctuary Cities and States" for illegal aliens with those for Second Amendment rights. One is upholding the constitution and the other is not. Quite frankly, if Northam were to use the state guard against Virginians, I would fully expect President Trump would nationalize the force and order them to stand down.

This will get hot and the Left is in for a huge dose of shock.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 15, 2019 07:53 PM (iw59Q)

130 That was interesting.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 15, 2019 07:53 PM (EgshT)

131 ..Range report:

I suck. Need more practice. Need to figure out more practical practice. I need to learn how to move and shoot. And hit a moving target.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 07:50 PM (PkVlr)

With the exception of her signature line, I would put this on a tee shirt and wear it.

We ALL need more practice, always.

That one was a shooter's Lombardi quote. I think I'll print a copy to reside inside my gun safe, taped to the inside of the door.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 15, 2019 07:53 PM (QzJWU)

132 Damn it!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 07:54 PM (Y4EXg)

133 Uh oh

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 07:54 PM (K22Va)

134 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 15, 2019 07:51 PM (dJGLL)

The Barrel thanks you for that recap.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2019 07:54 PM (NWiLs)

135 Le Barrel, how you say?

She is roomier than I imagined.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 07:55 PM (Y4EXg)

136 Sock Monkey your right that first ground battles started there

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:55 PM (ZCEU2)

137
What movie did someone call the National Guard "weekend warriors?"
First Blood?

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at December 15, 2019 07:55 PM (F8O+m)

138 Nearly the same thing is about to happen in WA state.

Dems took control of the Senate last month, so a fully Blue Olympia.

Already they are talking banning semi-autos that are scary, 10 round mags, a license to buy any ammo, and other clearly unconstitutional nonsense.

It is essentially Seattle, and Island county (the San Juan Islands, where the multi-millionaires go for retirement) against most of the rest of the state.

Honestly, if the US Supreme Court doesn't stand up to these lawless Democrat blatant naked takings of citizen rights, I believe there eventually will be shooting. Not that I am saying I will, but the anger is getting so high, especially after the 3 year propaganda effort against Trump by the Demos and their owners/masters in Progda, some people see their backs against the wall against these traitors.

I honestly do.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 07:56 PM (sy5kK)

139 120: Weren't the first major battles of the first CW fought in Virginia? Any CW buffs please feel free to coorect me.

Manassas.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 15, 2019 07:56 PM (DR/Dl)

140 Hi Insom!

Pew pew pew pew!
I want a Glock 36. Mark is an evil man.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 07:57 PM (PkVlr)

141 Hi Mr Weasel. Love the ball turret vid. Only have the flexible gun and only one "sad face". And hi to Red? if he is around, from a day ago when he said if he was to visit he would come and see me and my toys. He is most welcome, hell y'all are welcome if any of you every get down south to visit. Hope the VA laws get slapped down as they should . We have 5 days to hand our evil guns in and as of today only 28% compliance rate. We will see what a police state looks like after the 20th Dec.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 07:57 PM (bgJ0E)

142 Greta's been caught lying again. This time about being on an overcrowded German train, sitting on the floor, when she was actually seated in First Class.

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/
1206344878306865152

Other questions here:
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/
1206335480041787394

Posted by: andycanuck at December 15, 2019 07:57 PM (Dh1wo)

143 The few gun shops I get to seem alarmed and camera complete.
Am wondering wht French Creek Outfitters are going out of business. Few times I have been there seemed quite busy.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 07:59 PM (ZCEU2)

144 Manassas.
Posted by: Puddleglum

Thanks PG . First battle of the Bullrun? My chronology was /is fuzzy.

Posted by: Sock Monkey..armed primate at December 15, 2019 08:00 PM (aT8XW)

145 He may say you don't have to be a teeny person, but I toured a B-24 once that had the door to the lower ball turret opened, and I realized that I might could have gotten my legs into it but nothing else. Maybe the 10 year old me could have gotten into that, but even the 17 year old me wouldn't have had a chance of fitting into one.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2019 08:00 PM (f+zJo)

146 140 Hi Insom!

Pew pew pew pew!
I want a Glock 36. Mark is an evil man.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 07:57 PM (PkVlr)

Hiya! Mark is merely encouraging comprehensive exercise of 2d Amendment rights.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2019 08:00 PM (NWiLs)

147 Sorry I was wrong it was not a New Jersey county a township. West Milford.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 08:00 PM (Tnijr)

148 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 07:57 PM (bgJ0E)
-----
Great to see you, NZFrank!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

149 Virginian by choice, not birth.Four decades here. Living just outside of Richmond. If they, (gun-grabbers), go down this road, they will not like where it leads.

Posted by: Mister at December 15, 2019 08:01 PM (Nw1FJ)

150 149 Virginian by choice, not birth.Four decades here. Living just outside of Richmond. If they, (gun-grabbers), go down this road, they will not like where it leads.
Posted by: Mister at December 15, 2019 08:01 PM (Nw1FJ)
-----
Nice to have you here, Mister!

Oh, and agreed.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

151 "120
The Dems continue to push the country to cw2. They need to understand what will happen if they continue on this course.
Posted by: Sapwolf

Weren't the first major battles of the first CW fought in Virginia? Any CW buffs please feel free to coorect me."

The First Battle of Bull Run is considered the first combat of the Civil War although several arguably happened between Kansas and Missouri nearly a decade before the war and Ft. Sumpter kind of was a battle.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 15, 2019 08:03 PM (iw59Q)

152 144: Yep. First Battle of Bull Run (or Manassas, depending on what side of the Mason/Dixon you're on).

;-)

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 15, 2019 08:03 PM (DR/Dl)

153 Hi Nurse, Mark.
The sheriff over here already told the state AG to fvck off with the new laws. VA is scary though. WA and OR are one party states as well and they'd just love to do the same thing here.
I doubt the Nat Guard, the troops at least, would cooperate with confiscation. Too much like getting shot for the dolts in Olympia.
btw, I heard that there is a petition to recall both Inslee and Ferguson. Have you seen anything about that?

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at December 15, 2019 08:04 PM (Tt761)

154 I live in Stafford, VA. Our sheriff doesn't report suppressor stamps to the state.

So I've added a suppressed Ruger precision rifle in 22lr to the suppressed LaRue PredatOBR in 5.56.

It's, um, quiet..

As to Virginia, I'm truly starting to think it's going to come to guns. I've not been convinced of that before the way I am now.

They mean to disarm us. They mean to compel us to comply.

I'm raising two kids by myself, so my lines are different from others, but I still have lines that i won't abide being crossed.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 15, 2019 08:05 PM (T8HPM)

155 Here is what is up with Virginia politics.

It was Democrat forever, in the old Southern Democrat tradition. Deep Democrat, even out there in the rural areas where everyone is conservative.

In 2009 we elected a Republican governor who beat his Democrat opponent by 30 points. The Obama Justice Department opened a Federal case on him based on a whistleblower in the Governor's Mansion and convicted him - SCOTUS later overturned the conviction because turns out that what he was convicted of was not even a crime. Long story short on that, the Republican Party was destroyed at the state level.

So now the Virginia Democrat party has 2 large bases - the large African American community (about 20% of the population) is concentrated in cities like Richmond and Lynchburg. And Northern Virginia which has a ton of government workers and contractors dependent on the government - and something often overlooked - a large tech sector. Northern VA was called the Silicon Valley of the East. There is a reason why Amazon is putting HQ2 here, and it isn't proximity to the government. So the politics and mores of the tech crowd are very strong here.

Republicans did not control the legislature in VA until 2001.

So the interregnum has been relatively short. Virginia has a LOT of liberal laws on the books. We are going to get more.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 08:05 PM (ZfRYq)

156
Need more practice. Need to figure out more practical practice. I need to learn how to move and shoot. And hit a moving target.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 07:50 PM

two words: USPSA &/or IDPA

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 15, 2019 08:05 PM (L83do)

157 Really no idea about NZ but can't imagine a %28 compliance rait here.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 08:05 PM (ZCEU2)

158 Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 15, 2019 08:05 PM (T8HPM)
-----
Howdy neighbor!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

159 I make that %28 rate here out of 350M only 98M

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 08:07 PM (ZCEU2)

160 Hey Weasel.

Did you ever get that range finished?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 15, 2019 08:08 PM (T8HPM)

161 Turkey could shut down its Incirlik airbase, which hosts U.S. nuclear warheads, in response to threats of U.S. sanctions and a separate U.S. Senate resolution that recognized mass killings of Armenians a century ago as genocide, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday.

Good. And then we kick those fuckin Turks out of NATO finally

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2019 08:08 PM (85Gof)

162 We had a bunch of new restrictive gun laws pass in WA state. (Not as bad as VA but still). People just say, oh well Seattle. But this state has many conservative areas, that also passed 2nd amendment sanctuary counties. Don't have a solution.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

There is a new initiative being circulated to overturn 1639. I'm sure you can find a copy to sign at any gun shop. Not sure if it would pass but needs the effort. There is also a court challenge I believe. I live in a sanctuary county but that is only a stop gap if onerous laws continue to be thrown at us.

Posted by: Sock Monkey..armed primate at December 15, 2019 08:09 PM (aT8XW)

163 "The Obama Justice Department opened a Federal case on him based on a whistleblower in the Governor's Mansion and convicted him - SCOTUS later overturned the conviction because turns out that what he was convicted of was not even a crime. "

Just one of many examples of Obama's lawless behavior that was ignored. The damage he did to this country is his legacy.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 08:09 PM (Tnijr)

164 Nurse @ 128- Exactly. Next to my family, my church are the dearest people to me on this earth. I do not wish them to be harmed by anyone and will do my utmost to prevent violence against them.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 08:09 PM (UUkQp)

165 Did you ever get that range finished?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 15, 2019 08:08 PM (T8HPM)
---------
Not as long as I'd like, yet. It's much easier clearing in the winter!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

166 "154 I live in Stafford, VA. Our sheriff doesn't report suppressor stamps to the state.

So I've added a suppressed Ruger precision rifle in 22lr to the suppressed LaRue PredatOBR in 5.56.

It's, um, quiet..

As to Virginia, I'm truly starting to think it's going to come to guns. I've not been convinced of that before the way I am now.

They mean to disarm us. They mean to compel us to comply.

I'm raising two kids by myself, so my lines are different from others, but I still have lines that i won't abide being crossed."

You probably are not an outlier. What's being described as Civil War II more or less will be the dissolution of states. I once discounted the Left was using illegal aliens to settle rural areas as a sort of Hessian troop arrangement but believe that is the motive. It didn't happen fast enough so Virginia, Georgia, Oregon, and Washington will be the first states to dissolve, either formally or informally, and soon will be joined by California, Mississippi, and eventually Texas.

The "United States" will look remarkably different by the end of the upcoming decade.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 15, 2019 08:09 PM (iw59Q)

167 What movie did someone call the National Guard "weekend warriors?"
First Blood?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at December 15, 2019 07:55 PM (F8O+m)

"Southern Comfort" with Powers Booth comes to mind too.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2019 08:09 PM (Z+IKu)

168 ..As to Virginia, I'm truly starting to think it's going to come to guns. I've not been convinced of that before the way I am now.

They mean to disarm us. They mean to compel us to comply.

I'm raising two kids by myself, so my lines are different from others, but I still have lines that i won't abide being crossed.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 15, 2019 08:05 PM (T8HPM)

Template is the Bundy Ranch Standoff.

The problem they'll "present" to us in a place like VA, is that they'll seal off access to the entire area should such a scenario begin to develop.

They'll cut-off reinforcements and in so doing, cut off supplies.

What it's going to take is local "guides" who know the back hills n' hollers like their own families.

And then we're going to have to hump it on foot, or four-wheelers, horseback or push-bicycle, Viet Cong style.

But we're going to have to reinforce the fk out of our VA brethren, one way or another.

Applies not just to VA, but to EVERY where.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 15, 2019 08:10 PM (QzJWU)

169 Well, we know this: the Left never stops. NEVER. All we've ever done in this country, or I should say all our leaders have ever done, is appease or temporarily stall the Left. At some point we're going to have to recognize this isn't going to work, not if we want to save this country.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 15, 2019 08:11 PM (H8QX8)

170 AltonJackson,
Mark and I were out through the paces of IDPA courtesy of LazyMessenger a couple of weeks ago. It was really fun! We went out to the woods and set up a course and there was a timer, which added a certain amount of urgency. I did ok. I didn't shoot the hostage, but I was quite slow. I did manage to hit the targets. I like moving and shooting. It seems so much more practical.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 08:11 PM (PkVlr)

171 wipe them down with Renaissance Wax.
Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2019 07:38 PM (7EjX1)

I actually have some of that stuff.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 08:11 PM (87gB3)

172 Nurse: Moving and shooting is taught at the Seattle Firearms Academy in their Defensive Handgun class. Their Concealed Carry course is very good, too. https://tinyurl.com/rezq26p

Posted by: Chris H at December 15, 2019 08:12 PM (gfA/H)

173 Don't y'all just burn y'alls junk mail and such? Gun rags start great fires. Pine needles? Palm fronds? Feed bags?

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at December 15, 2019 08:12 PM (UXDRE)

174 Anybody know if a good book or some sort of write-up of the Bundy story has been done?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 15, 2019 08:13 PM (H8QX8)

175 This kid is being trained...are yours?

https://youtu.be/Iw7uns8ZiSA

Posted by: Bert G at December 15, 2019 08:13 PM (OMsf+)

176 Winston,

Please try to get to this side and shoot with me and Mark someday. I'll email you and bug you about it. Unless, of course, you have access to an outdoor range. Then we may come to you!!!!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 08:13 PM (PkVlr)

177 Weasel, I'd be up for a range day at your convenience.

As to the means by which they intend to compel us to comply, I really don't think it'll be huge, camera-worthy events. I think it'll be traffic stops, license plate hits, and online purchase blocking.

They'll take us one at a time, rather than pick a fight.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 15, 2019 08:13 PM (T8HPM)

178 I want to rant and this is the only place I can really do it. God Damn smart phones. Literally, not the throwaway curse, but literally open a crack of hell and pull them in.

I am so sick of people who are so self-absorbed in their little phone world that they are utterly rude and treat others with contempt. Gotta finish this text, sorry I wasn't paying attention to you, I was watching a kitten video, I can't do that, I have to finish this level of Candy Crush, Don't call me text!

My brother, who used to hate phones is sucked in now, its the first thing he grabs in the morning like he used to his glasses, carries the thing around with him all the time, any spare moment it comes out like its his external brain. He runs Spottify off it into his car stereo so its going then too. He is hunched over the thing like gollum masturbating on a public train, to crib Ace, ignoring people while at a family party. And he's not the only one.

These damned things have sucked most of the population in, every moment not otherwise occupied by sleep or compulsory activity like work (and even then) its back to the phone like a baby to a tit, thumbs working, ignoring the world.

Its like having those glasses from They Live on to walk around without doing it. You're seeing a completely different world.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:14 PM (KZzsI)

179 157 Really no idea about NZ but can't imagine a %28 compliance rait here.
Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 08:05 PM (ZCEU2)

As they are using carrot and stick. $$ for your bangstick or 10 years in gaol, it is about your own personal rules.
If you are a unlicensed gang banger you only get 1-3 years for firearms offences, whereas previously lawful gun owners can get 10 years plus warrantless raids by the filth.
What the fools have not worked out is that 28% is the official number based on the filths estimates. We gun owners have more brains and have worked out that it is more like 6% compliance. PERSEC for my situation currently.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 08:14 PM (bgJ0E)

180 I believe many Americans will travel there and assist with the defense of the Commonwealth.

Defense. Hell.

Offense

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 15, 2019 08:14 PM (lD3vL)

181 121 Range report:

I suck. Need more practice. Need to figure out more practical practice. I need to learn how to move and shoot. And hit a moving target.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 07:50 PM (PkVlr)

Don't believe a word she says.

Posted by: Wash state woodpeckers and deer at December 15, 2019 08:14 PM (sy5kK)

182 A Weasel-Range-Mo-Me would be a thing of beauty.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 08:15 PM (ZfRYq)

183 Chris H,
Thank you for the recommendation. I will look in to it.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 08:15 PM (PkVlr)

184 Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 15, 2019 08:13 PM (T8HPM)
------
That can be arranged!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

185 Members of the Virginia national guard come from those green counties. They will not open fire on their neighbors. I live in Fluvanna County. We had over 500 armed citizens at our 2A Resolution council meeting. No lead will fly, but if it does, Richmond will lose.

Posted by: Reggie at December 15, 2019 08:15 PM (6WjdD)

186 There was a time when we needed Incirklik. That time is past.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2019 08:16 PM (f+zJo)

187 182 A Weasel-Range-Mo-Me would be a thing of beauty.
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 08:15 PM (ZfRYq)
------
Hmmm...

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:16 PM (MVjcR)

188 Phone Slaves.

Posted by: davidt at December 15, 2019 08:16 PM (l3+k2)

189 Weasel range MoMee.

I'm in.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 15, 2019 08:16 PM (T8HPM)

190 Maybe Hannity can take a lesson from Levin. Levin is actually letting
him answer questions without interrupting him every 10 seconds. Are you listening Sean.

Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2019 08:17 PM (7ZQe3)

191 Weasel range MoMe?
If allowed, I'd fly across the country for that one.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 08:18 PM (PkVlr)

192 Weasel, this is how it starts.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 08:18 PM (oigoJ)

193 Gun laws in general have been largely observed in the breach. I suspect, should the Virginia National Guard get called up there going to be a lot of vehicle maintenance required before the troops will be able to move out.

Posted by: Eugene Podrazik at December 15, 2019 08:19 PM (reKAM)

194 Hi Nurse!
I'd love to. Travel is a bit difficult now as my old car needs some tending at present. As for open spaces, I have Durr Road if it isn't snowed under.
Out in the county. Open country and no one living out there. Great place to shoot. By all means though, let me know and if possible, I'll make the trip over.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at December 15, 2019 08:19 PM (Tt761)

195 Are you listening Sean.

Way back in the stone age, Hannity used to be able to just sit and talk with people, he and Colmes had a decent show where they would be fair to each other and let the other one or guests talk. He's turned spastic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:19 PM (KZzsI)

196 Has anyone checked out ammo sales at Walmart since they are stupid enough to stop selling guns and gear? I've seen some reports of good deals and others that the shelves are pretty bare.

Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (7EjX1)

197 Emmie - I don't know if anybody else answered, but I don't re-use rags after cleaning. I buy bags of them at Wallyorld, cheap. Cleaning products are petroleum based, and I'd rather not run that through my washing maxhine, and certainly not in my dryer.

As long as the trash is well ventilated, there should not be a fire hazard (i.e., spontaneous combustion).
Regards,

Posted by: butch at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (hXu8T)

198 I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.

That is the National Guard Oath of Enlistment. If they do any thinking at all, they will understand the US Constitution takes precedence and orders to confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens are unlawful. Hopefully, if it comes to that, the Major General in charge of the Virginia Guard will fall on his sword. (figuratively speaking)

Posted by: Bill R. at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (wzzJf)

199 187 182 A Weasel-Range-Mo-Me would be a thing of beauty.
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 08:15 PM (ZfRYq)
------
Hmmm...
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:16 PM (MVjcR)

Please do eeeeeeeeett. Next October when I am on my honeymoon to the States would be awesome. I am going to SHOT Show in Jan but am LA - Las Vegas - LA booked with only a few days in Cali before and after so no ability to go elsewhere.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (bgJ0E)

200 190 Maybe Hannity can take a lesson from Levin. Levin is actually letting
him answer questions without interrupting him every 10 seconds. Are you listening Sean.
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2019 08:17 PM (7ZQe3)

Levin is a superior interviewer.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (H8QX8)

201 And that sidebar thing with Greta off script is sad. The poor girl without something to read is simply lost. She should be home listening to lousy music and drawing hearts around boys in her yearbook, not touring the world in front of cameras. Her parents are truly repugnant human beings.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (KZzsI)

202
These damned things have sucked most of the population in, every moment not otherwise occupied by sleep or compulsory activity like work (and even then) its back to the phone like a baby to a tit, thumbs working, ignoring the world.

Its like having those glasses from They Live on to walk around without doing it. You're seeing a completely different world.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

It reminds me of the Star Trek Next Gen episode "The Game"

https://tinyurl.com/z9xywxn

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2019 08:21 PM (aKsyK)

203 192 Weasel, this is how it starts.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 08:18 PM (oigoJ)
-------
I can see that!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

204 Weasel range MoMee.

I'm in.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 15, 2019 08:16 PM

In.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2019 08:22 PM (rBtIz)

205
Please do eeeeeeeeett. Next October when I am on my honeymoon to the States would be awesome. I am going to SHOT Show in Jan but am LA - Las Vegas - LA booked with only a few days in Cali before and after so no ability to go elsewhere.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (bgJ0E)
--------
TEXAS!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

206 Please do eeeeeeeeett
NZ Frank, the Texas MoMe is in Oct, Check with Ben Had.

Posted by: Panhandler at December 15, 2019 08:23 PM (S/rwf)

207 And that sidebar thing with Greta off script is sad. The poor girl without something to read is simply lost. She should be home listening to lousy music and drawing hearts around boys in her yearbook, not touring the world in front of cameras. Her parents are truly repugnant human beings.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (KZzsI)

Hey at 16 I was smoking dope. Trying to get into any girls pants who I could and look how I turned out. Ok scratch that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2019 08:23 PM (85Gof)

208 IIRC Honeywell made the ball turrets. Damn fine piece of engineering but would never want to be in one.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at December 15, 2019 08:23 PM (pw+jk)

209 This is a comment from This Ain't Hell: Did a little research on the Virginia national Guard 1 regimental combat team about 3,400 Bodies. If Every unit is at full Strength Line infantry 2 battalions of 580 troops each again if they are at full strength. The rest are an artillery battalion and support troops. At least some of the infantry are combat vets from Iraq or Afghanistan.
Not very many line troops to go around confiscating weapons. If I was the Governor and the powers that be I would be worried about the national guard 1. refusing to obey orders, 2 Elements withing the guard units going rogue and using their weapons against the powers that be. 3. Moles within the guard units gaining control of unit arms room (s) and turning those weapons and vehicles against the powers that be. Just some thoughts

Another comment noted that most likely a great many of those Guardsmen come from the more rural areas of the state.

Posted by: Bill R. at December 15, 2019 08:23 PM (wzzJf)

210 It reminds me of the Star Trek Next Gen episode "The Game"

Sci Fi has been warning about this for over a century, yet people dive straight in, on purpose. Its like those listening devices people put in their houses. In the cautionary dystopias, they put a camera in your TV and forced you to have it. What idiots; they didn't have to bother, people will do it to themselves.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:23 PM (KZzsI)

211 The death of the 2A is The Whole Enchilada for the left. Personally, that makes its defense paramount. No additional motivation required.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 15, 2019 08:24 PM (EgshT)

212

The question is: What legal CAUSE does the Virginia government have for sending the National Guard or any police?

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at December 15, 2019 08:24 PM (w8DQ0)

213 The call out the National Guard thing was a throwaway line by an old African American delegate. Race doesn't matter but I mention it because he likely gets 95% of the vote in his district and thus can say anything. (Okay I looked it up he only won 62% of his district but still it is safe)

It is NOT the widespread thought or proposal of the Democrats in Virginia.

So it is not a real thing in VA. But, if some fringe Republican said that women should be arrested for abortion, well, we don't actually have to wonder how that would play out.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 08:24 PM (ZfRYq)

214 I won't hold with mocking the national guard, I know some guardmen and they are plenty capable. Criminy, thousands of them were fighting in Iraq next to front line soldiers, you can't tell me they're a bunch of bumbling screwups. They're the closest thing our country has to the constitutional concept of state militias.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:25 PM (KZzsI)

215 And yes, the guys I know would turn their guns ON THEIR COMMANDERS if ordered to confiscate guns from people or shoot them. Or in the case of one, the tank he commands...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:26 PM (KZzsI)

216 The question is: What legal CAUSE does the Virginia government have for sending the National Guard or any police?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at December 15, 2019 08:24 PM (w8DQ0)

SB16 makes POSSESSION on an "assault firearm" a felony. And the latest mod proposed by Blackface Northam is well we will grandfather existing owners but you have to register your assault firearms.

Not registering is a felony.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 08:26 PM (ZfRYq)

217 206 Please do eeeeeeeeett
NZ Frank, the Texas MoMe is in Oct, Check with Ben Had.
Posted by: Panhandler at December 15, 2019 08:23 PM (S/rwf)

Only problem is I get married on 24th (I think) then go to the US on honeymoon. What is the TX Mo Me date?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 08:26 PM (bgJ0E)

218

Think about it this way, and this is how WE should be framing it:

This is BULL CONNOR all over again. It is.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (w8DQ0)

219 NZ Frank, The TX MoMe is in Oct and we would love to have you come. We do great wedding receptions in conjunction with the shooting.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (oigoJ)

220
Another comment noted that most likely a great many of those Guardsmen come from the more rural areas of the state.
Posted by: Bill R. at December 15, 2019 08:23 PM (wzzJf)
-----
This is exactly why I emphasized their connections to and allegiance with their communities. I'm not too worried about the VA NG, truthfully.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (MVjcR)

221 Her parents are truly repugnant human beings.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM

Well, they're actors, so it goes without saying.

Posted by: Bert G at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (OMsf+)

222 @Emmie,

We used something like this in the missile batteries I was in during the cold war to store used oil rags and another one for used solvent rags. We had a (probably unhealthy) burn every month to get rid of them as we weren't supposed to reuse them
Once we accidentally mixed oil/solvent tags and of course they caught on fire. The cans stopped it from spreading. https://www.homedepot.com/ p/Behrens-6-Gal-Galvanized- Steel-Round-Trash-Can-with-Locking-Lid-00108/20226476

Remove spaces in two places.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (VcFUs)

223 Pete Seria @ 190, Hannity is incapable of shutting up, saying the same things over and over. Maybe he sees this as some kind of catechism to educate the uneducated? Well, damnit it Sean, I was educated way before you came on the scene. I was educated before Limbaugh or Levin, or Beck came on the scene. I was educated when I left the military (the first time ) in 1970. So Sean, if your guests are worth having them on your show let them say something, ok? Who knows what we may learn?

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (UUkQp)

224 TX MoMe in October? Hmmm...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (rBtIz)

225 The Texas MoMe is a range meet up...

Posted by: lin-duh at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (UUBmN)

226 Bookmark
Good night horde

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2019 08:28 PM (ZCEU2)

227 197 Thanks, Butch!

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 08:28 PM (87gB3)

228
For A Few Dollars More is on.

The scene when Clint rips the badge off the crooked sheriff was just on.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at December 15, 2019 08:29 PM (w8DQ0)

229 And the latest mod proposed by ~~Blackface Northam~~ Mao Jolson...

Yeah, I'm trying to make this a thing.

Posted by: Bert G at December 15, 2019 08:29 PM (OMsf+)

230 Weasel,
A few minor suggestions for folks that might be helpful. First, you might want to have someone with good Virginia constitutional law experience. VA has let its seminal Bill of Rights fall into disuse and defining it the same way as the U.S. Sup. Ct. does in its caselaw. It need not do so and you need to recover this area. I remember reading a lament from a VA Court of Appeals judge that basically said that VA had abdicated defining its Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution. I suspect that if you try to use the VA Constitution, you might just be pushing on a door that VA judges are willing to open.

Second, all these folks wanting to move--do you really think it stops there--it will come soon to your door so you better start thinking about stopping the creeping crud in your state instead of planning to flee to others. It will come there too. I already suspect that the same tactic is planned for either NC or GA of flooding these states one by one with outside dollars and litigation to change voting districts and laws via friendly courts. VA got a coordinated hit between the DNC, Bloomberg's Billions, and other assorted leftists goomba organizations.

Third, You want to take that out dynamic--go after minority and female voters through outreach which starts with taking them shooting to demystify it. Tell them correctly that state and local government has no legal duty to protect them and no lawsuit for police failures to protect can be litigated unless you are in prison or jail. Direct experience inoculates folks from media garbage as most people are more conservative about what they know.
It is not enough to go to the range, take someone with you. Become an Eddie Eagle NRA safety course instructor and their basic Refuse to be a Victim course.

Fourth, spend this time, before they are in office, if you are in VA or really anywhere, taking your legislator to lunch D or R. If they are of a different party, can the red meat partisan stuff and try to find areas of agreement then apply that to policy specifics. E.g. no one wants suicides--but firearm restrictions do little to stem such as Japan's rate shows--people simply use alternative means. Do not assume at first that they have been assimilated. New legislators often want to do a good job but get no input from the public when they can be educated. By the time they get to the capital city for a term or two, the lobbyists/party borg has got them. Get to them before they take office.

Everybody has to eat including legislators and it is a time to help educate these new legislators about the facts of life regarding guns that Bloomberg's organization fails to include in their snazzy powerpoint presentations. Explain how many of these proposals have been tried and failed in other localities. If you can find a copy, the ATF has a publication that compiles federal, state, and local laws regarding firearms. That might prove useful.

The left has the advantage of borg-like collective behavior like a swarm of yellowjackets or fireants. The right has the advantage of innovation, individualism, and a strong bedrock of decency running through it. It is time to use it to our advantage and take back our country, state, and locality one voter at a time. You can do political work now or be in the trenches of a shooting civil war later and there is no other place to hide unless you want to live as a hermit.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 08:29 PM (MwILh)

231 196 Has anyone checked out ammo sales at Walmart since they are stupid enough to stop selling guns and gear? I've seen some reports of good deals and others that the shelves are pretty bare.
Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (7EjX1)

They stopped selling all handgun ammo and .223/5.56. They cleared existing inventory at some decent prices I bought a bunch of 9mm at a good price. I could have bought a bunch more Tula steelcase dirt cheap but SPIT!

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 08:29 PM (ZfRYq)

232 TEXAS!
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

Yep.
Dude, as you are a Virginian you will NOT want to see my Don't Mess With Texas tat.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 08:30 PM (bgJ0E)

233 So how long before George Soros comes and buys up all the Sheriff's and District Attorney's offices in the sanctuary areas?

Posted by: Socratease at December 15, 2019 08:31 PM (2GbWn)

234 Posted by: BifBewalski at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (VcFUs)

Sounds ... exciting!

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 08:31 PM (87gB3)

235 Hey at 16 I was smoking dope. Trying to get into any girls pants who I could and look how I turned out. Ok scratch that.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2019 08:23 PM (85Gof)

So, NGU, did you cop to that in your navy entrance exams?
Serious question. I told my son to just say, yeah, I tried it and don't do it anymore. The dope, not the girls' panties.

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 08:31 PM (r2qz1)

236
In the cautionary dystopias, they put a camera in your TV and forced you to have it. What idiots; they didn't have to bother, people will do it to themselves.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

biblioklept.org/2010/12/14/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webcomic/

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2019 08:31 PM (aKsyK)

237 I have a close friend who teaches at a private high school in Prince Edward County (Farmville). According to her, the students are all keyed up about this issue, and their parents and grandparents are just as irate. And it's not even the reddest part of Virginia by a long shot.

There is no way Governor Retard and company are going to be able to enforce these laws, based on everything I'm seeing and hearing (admittedly from a distance).

Posted by: Dr. T at December 15, 2019 08:32 PM (2PXwn)

238 So, NGU, did you cop to that in your navy entrance exams?
Serious question. I told my son to just say, yeah, I tried it and don't do it anymore. The dope, not the girls' panties.
Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 08:31 PM (r2qz1)

I will answer that off line

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2019 08:32 PM (85Gof)

239 Ben, what is the exact date in OCT?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 08:32 PM (bgJ0E)

240 For a Few Dollars More is the best of the trilogy.

There, I said it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:32 PM (d1uFV)

241 Could someone in VA please describe the proposed law, for a simple-minded non-Virginian? Is it registration of some or all types of firearms, or making some or all types of firearms illegal to possess? Or...? Thanks!

Posted by: Gref at December 15, 2019 08:32 PM (AMIL/)

242 So how long before George Soros comes and buys up all the Sheriff's and District Attorney's offices in the sanctuary areas?
Posted by: Socratease

Ever heard the expression "Y'all aint from around here are ya" ?

Posted by: Sock Monkey..armed primate at December 15, 2019 08:32 PM (aT8XW)

243 Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 08:29 PM (MwILh)
-----
Thanks for the suggestions!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

244 Where is the TX MoMe? I might seriously want attend.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2019 08:33 PM (rBtIz)

245 Do it Weasel!

Heck, I'd barely have settled into my seat during a trip to VA.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 08:34 PM (Y4EXg)

246 I was with family this weekend, we got to discussing some of my grandpa's guns that we remembered, and trying to figure out which relative ended up with them. (he passed away in 1989, had 7 children and LOTS of grandchildren) We figured out most of it, and I was pleased to find that one of my uncles actually still had one of the guns I remembered grampa letting me hold once. (I never got to shoot it, but just holding it was fun) I remembered it as the rifle from the Rifleman, but he was able to tell me that officially, it was a model 1894 Winchester 32-40 with a nickel plated octagon barrel. And he said he *had* shot it, and that gun could knock over a buffalo at 50 yards. (well that's what he said) I remember that the barrel weighed a *ton* to a kid, and it seemed to be one of the heaviest guns I ever picked up. Of course, that's why it made a Big Bang.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2019 08:34 PM (f+zJo)

247 Orwell warned what could happen in a single society with a powerful tyrant. Huxley warned what WILL happen in all societies without a set of core values and virtues that gives us something to live for other than ourselves.

We have no tyrant, but we also have lost our souls. So we get Huxley.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:34 PM (KZzsI)

248 PROGRAMMING REQUEST: Please use tinyurl!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

249 So, NGU, did you cop to that in your navy entrance exams?
Serious question. I told my son to just say, yeah, I tried it and don't do it anymore. The dope, not the girls' panties.
Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 08:31 PM (r2qz1)

When I enlisted in 1980, I said Yes on the form. The recruiter looked at it, asked the other recruiter sitting there if it would hurt my getting a job and when he replied that it would, he tore up the form and told me to fill out another one.

Posted by: Bill R. at December 15, 2019 08:35 PM (wzzJf)

250 NZ Frank, I won't know for a couple of weeks yet. We schedule it the weekend before the World Show for the horses and they haven't put their schedule out yet.

A soon as I know I will have Weasel email you.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 08:35 PM (oigoJ)

251 ..The Texas MoMe is a range meet up...

Posted by: lin-duh at December 15, 2019 08:27 PM (UUBmN)

Two suggestions for "moar fun" at the Texas Mo Meet.

* "Mad Minute". At days end, before the final cease fire is called. Line up, Light 'em up, Let 'er rip!

* Artillery. Well, okay. Black Powder cannon, anyway.

I would have also suggested airpower live-fire demonstrations, but don't want to wear out our welcome with Rancher Bob. Well, that and I don't know any currently serving Forward Combat Air Controllers with "the hookup" to an A-10 squadron flying hot. *sigh*

What I will do though, is volunteer to go out and bust ass a few days in the Spring, to work with Rancher Bob on any range improvements he wants made before October.

I do have a chainsaw with the shoulder thing what goes up.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 15, 2019 08:36 PM (QzJWU)

252 Prince Edward County VA here, thanks for giving exposure to our plight and giving the VCDL the credit they are earning in my eyes.

Posted by: Daddyof2 at December 15, 2019 08:36 PM (2GPk7)

253 RMBS, Corsicana TX.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 08:36 PM (oigoJ)

254 244 Where is the TX MoMe? I might seriously want attend.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2019 08:33 PM (rBtIz)

It's near Corsicana sometime in October, unless Ben Had's friends want a break from all the Moronics.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 08:37 PM (87gB3)

255 245 Do it Weasel!

Heck, I'd barely have settled into my seat during a trip to VA.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 08:34 PM (Y4EXg)
------
You'll probably have a better time at the TXMoMe. WeaselAcres isn't set up for much of a crowd yet.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

256 Not sure if Ben Had has set the date yet. Might be able to pursued her to do a Halloween one this year if someone is willing to make it from New Zealand. It's held about an hour south of a Dallas.

Posted by: lin-duh at December 15, 2019 08:37 PM (UUBmN)

257 Well, my family came to Virginia in about 1675. My cousin Dick lives on the last parcel of land owned by the family there...All that said... Bite me Ralphie!!

Petition to recall ol Blackface.
https://virginiaconservatives.net/recall-radical-ralph-northam

If eligable, sign it and spread it around.

Finally, I have always been taught that the 2A was part of the Constitution to serve as the peoples bulwark against Tyranny. If violating or god forbid ending an enumerated right is not tyranny, what is?
My entire life, we the gun owning people, have been pushed back, and back and back some more. At some point we either have to make it stop, or we will have no rights. Clearly, the Communist Left will never stop, and a whole lot of LEOs get paid by the PTB. Guess who they will support when push comes to shove?

I pray the elected sheriffs are better than that, but it will be way late to find out otherwise.
I pray these stupid bastards come to their senses, but they might not. What then? That IS the crux of the biscuit is it not?

Posted by: Jesse in DC at December 15, 2019 08:37 PM (ouR/N)

258 Many years ago an electrician buddy linseed oiled his tool belt and threw the rag in the open kitchen garbage can. Pure luck he got up to take a piss just as it started on fire. I wouldn't put any chemical soaked rags inside the house, anywhere.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 08:37 PM (K22Va)

259 Star Trek Nxt Gen at the wiki link:

After Data (who, as an android, is unaffected by the game) is incapacitated,

No, it's Data, the android, you insidious bastards.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 15, 2019 08:37 PM (pGnDm)

260 Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 08:36 PM

Thanks!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2019 08:38 PM (rBtIz)

261 252 Prince Edward County VA here, thanks for giving exposure to our plight and giving the VCDL the credit they are earning in my eyes.
Posted by: Daddyof2 at December 15, 2019 08:36 PM (2GPk7)
------
Howdy and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

262 That IS the crux of the biscuit is it not?

From what I understand, that is the apostrophe

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:39 PM (KZzsI)

263 @241 -

Current law as proposed. Note this is "prefile"

https://tinyurl.com/w9lnx2v

Key things are that sale, transfer, or possession of an assault fiream is prohibited.

Also, purchase, sale, or import of any removable magazine of more than 10 rounds is a felony.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 08:39 PM (ZfRYq)

264 Been lurking for the better part of 8 years, as shooting enthusiast I always enjoy the fun thread!

Posted by: Daddyof2 at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (2GPk7)

265 18 U.S. Code 241:
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or
intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession,
or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege
secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or
because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises
of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or
enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in
violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an
attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit
aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined
under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or
both, or may be sentenced to death.

Note that this is a potential capital crime.
The sheriffs from the sanctuary counties need to show up at the legislature. As soon as two or more Democrats publicly start conspiring to oppress people's Constitutional rights, arrest them and charge them with this felony. While sheriffs don't have jurisdiction outside of their own counties they do have a right to arrest anyone who commits a felony in their presence anywhere in the state.

Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (l8Qs6)

266 153 Hi Nurse, Mark.
The sheriff over here already told the state AG to fvck off with the new laws. VA is scary though. WA and OR are one party states as well and they'd just love to do the same thing here.
I doubt the Nat Guard, the troops at least, would cooperate with confiscation. Too much like getting shot for the dolts in Olympia.
btw, I heard that there is a petition to recall both Inslee and Ferguson. Have you seen anything about that?
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at December 15, 2019 08:04 PM (Tt761)

Winston!

Good to hear from you, sir.

There's a lot of WA that is red and if the GOP in the state wasn't worthless or worse, we could retake the state house and senate. I'm hoping that happens.

If there's a recall for Inslee, I'll be voting to recall.

If they try confiscation or call for it, well....that's a line.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (d1uFV)

267 Bill R. @ 209- Concerning the NG and fed troops, I too would like them remember the Constitution. Now might be a good time to read any book by James Wesley, Rawles or William R. Forstchen. Oh heck, throw in Lucifer's Hammer by Niven and Pournelle. These are all good primers on what an American's duties are.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (UUkQp)

268 Another question:

What's the best Sig P365 food?

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (87gB3)

269 Many years ago an electrician buddy linseed oiled his tool belt and threw the rag in the open kitchen garbage can. Pure luck he got up to take a piss just as it started on fire. I wouldn't put any chemical soaked rags inside the house, anywhere.
Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 08:37 PM (K22Va)

*glances around*

...well, how did he put the fire out?

Posted by: hogmartin at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (t+qrx)

270 Understood, NGU. Not necessary to answer.
I'm amazed at what I got away with, and somehow it didn't affect my competence as a soldier.

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 08:41 PM (r2qz1)

271 250 NZ Frank, I won't know for a couple of weeks yet. We schedule it the weekend before the World Show for the horses and they haven't put their schedule out yet.

A soon as I know I will have Weasel email you.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 08:35 PM (oigoJ)

Ta muchly, I might have to reconfigure a wedding date!

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 08:41 PM (bgJ0E)

272 264 Been lurking for the better part of 8 years, as shooting enthusiast I always enjoy the fun thread!
Posted by: Daddyof2 at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (2GPk7)
-----
Well we're certainly glad to have you!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

273 We have no tyrant, but we also have lost our souls. So we get Huxley.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2019 08:34 PM (KZzsI)

Diversity "may" be our strength, but it is also the key to guaranteeing that we have no common values or mores as a society, they (the Progs) have been planning ahead for a century or more!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 08:41 PM (BiNEL)

274 Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (l8Qs6)

I really appreciate your emphasis on this. So many people are so blase about our constitutional rights and liberties being infringed.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 08:43 PM (87gB3)

275 Daddyof2, welcome to the greatest place there is.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 08:43 PM (oigoJ)

276 Ta muchly, I might have to reconfigure a wedding date!

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 08:41 PM (bgJ0E)

You can get married any old day, but the TXMoMee only happens once a year!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 08:44 PM (BiNEL)

277 I continue to wonder if the Dems/Marxists actually think they have sufficient power to bypass the Constitution, or are they so stupid so as to be led around by the nose by the activists?
Or is everyone just corrupt?
I embrace the concept of "and."

Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2019 08:44 PM (axyOa)

278 Ben had,
I just saw your question on the food thread. Which ever you have the most of. I love both types.

Posted by: lin-duh at December 15, 2019 08:45 PM (UUBmN)

279 268 Another question:

What's the best Sig P365 food?
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (87gB3)

Any 9mm ball ammo should work just fine.
CCI Brass
Fiocci
Winchester
Sellier and Bellot
IWI

If you want hollowpoints, I'd go with Hornady Critical Defense . They make a load for short barrels, Critical Defense Lite.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:45 PM (d1uFV)

280
If they try confiscation or call for it, well....that's a line.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (d1uFV)

It's not confiscation if you don't somehow "qualify" for the proposed ammunition buyer's license.

See how insidious these dirtbags are?

Oh, and the Wash State Supreme Court, it is rumored, has a daily worship session, praying to Mao Tse Tung and his Little Red Book.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 08:45 PM (sy5kK)

281 NZFrank with a M2

First, congratulations on your engagement.

The Mo Meet in Texas, curated by Ben Had and her wonderful friends, can be summed up in one word:
Joyous.

Good luck with your negotiations with your new bride.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2019 08:46 PM (u82oZ)

282 I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.

That is the National Guard Oath of Enlistment. If they do any thinking at all, they will understand the US Constitution takes precedence and orders to confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens are unlawful. Hopefully, if it comes to that, the Major General in charge of the Virginia Guard will fall on his sword. (figuratively speaking)
Posted by: Bill R. at December 15, 2019 08:20 PM (wzzJf)

Note the lack of SCOTUS.

It should be simplified to "Comply with SCOTUS decrees" and keep it at that... or so should I believe that when in any debate somebody brings up, "Well SCOTUS decided that in..."

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2019 08:46 PM (1g7ch)

283 Weasel,
I am sorry about the long post but damn it one can see what is coming a mile off. The decay of republics into tyrannies has been repeated too many times in the past and the causes of this are well known. If we do not fight with our ballots and the political process, then we will lose our rights and be subjugated or else fight a bloody civil war about it. It is avoidable, but only if we act in the limited time we have.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 08:46 PM (MwILh)

284 Virginia and my state Washington sound much alike. The 3 counties around metro Seattle control all branches of government ....Sheriffs in the counties outside of the Puget Sound have at times stated they will not enforce radical gun laws.

Shit is going to hit the fan sometime as the geographic majority of the state is well armed and pissed off.

Probably describes most of the country. Wonder what the trigger will be when things start.

Posted by: DOGGFISH at December 15, 2019 08:47 PM (lMn1U)

285 280
If they try confiscation or call for it, well....that's a line.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:40 PM (d1uFV)

It's not confiscation if you don't somehow "qualify" for the proposed ammunition buyer's license.

See how insidious these dirtbags are?

Oh, and the Wash State Supreme Court, it is rumored, has a daily worship session, praying to Mao Tse Tung and his Little Red Book.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 08:45 PM (sy5kK)

I'm prepared to use all 4 boxes, but in order.

If the Soapbox, Ballotbox and Jurybox don't work...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:47 PM (d1uFV)

286 well, how did he put the fire out?

Threw the whole thing out the back door into the parking lot. Kicked it over and stomped it out. Scared the shit out of me that stuff could start on fire spontaneously. We were young.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 08:47 PM (K22Va)

287 And...just sayin:
Insights Training around Seattle has an urban patrol class coming up next year. Won't be cheap but might need to take the time to take it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:48 PM (d1uFV)

288 Hey all, late to the thread.

Good job of laying things out in VA, weasel.

Any chance the 2A counties will decide to join WV?

From what I understand, it's much easier, relatively speaking, for counties to band together and join another state versus becoming their own entity.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 08:48 PM (WEBkv)

289
"Really, the only problem I have with Pol Pot, is that he just didn't follow through. Great idea guy, though."

Posted by: Wash state Attorney General and Mao admirer Bob Ferguson at December 15, 2019 08:48 PM (sy5kK)

290 279 Thank you, Mark. I will have to see which of these are available locally.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 08:48 PM (87gB3)

291 283 Weasel,
I am sorry about the long post but damn it one can see what is coming a mile off. The decay of republics into tyrannies has been repeated too many times in the past and the causes of this are well known. If we do not fight with our ballots and the political process, then we will lose our rights and be subjugated or else fight a bloody civil war about it. It is avoidable, but only if we act in the limited time we have.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 08:46 PM (MwILh)
-----
Oh, I agree! I suppose it's why I'm generally pessimistic about the eventual outcome.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

292 Ok, off topic and back to gunz. Whaaa?
Just saw a u toob video about cutting down .243 brass to make 6.5 Creedmoor.
I'm definitely getting a woody thinking about it.
I bought some federal match 6.5 at Wally World yesterday. Yikes. $28.00.
Already started my reloading list.

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 08:49 PM (r2qz1)

293 Understood, NGU. Not necessary to answer.
I'm amazed at what I got away with, and somehow it didn't affect my competence as a soldier.
Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 08:41 PM (r2qz1)

Well what I did or did not do I. High school and college kinda seems irrelevant when I took my oath when I was 53. Lol

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2019 08:49 PM (85Gof)

294 well, how did he put the fire out?

Threw the whole thing out the back door into the parking lot. Kicked it over and stomped it out. Scared the shit out of me that stuff could start on fire spontaneously. We were young.
Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 08:47 PM (K22Va)

Water isn't always the best for extinguishing chemical fires.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 15, 2019 08:50 PM (aS1PU)

295 Here we go. We can have NZ Frank's wedding at the TX MoMe and there will be many wedding planners and then the happy couple can have another ceremony in NZ after the honeymoon.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 15, 2019 08:50 PM (oigoJ)

296 Posted by: DOGGFISH at December 15, 2019 08:47 PM (lMn1U)
----
Howdy DOGFISH and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

297 There is talk floating about of leaks from Governor Coonman's office indicating that they've been inquiring about the feasibility of cutting off power and comms to parts of the state during confiscation efforts.

They've really fucked up this time unless their intent is to kick things off. The single biggest impact of all of this is showing that the last 20 years of whining from deep blue state gun owners - "you're all going to roll over too when it's your turn!" - was bunk. VA has already openly fought back more than CA, NY, or NJ since 1994. This is a bloody nose for the gun grabbers and it establishes a new high water mark for modern non-compliance.

People also seem to be rapidly shifting their January demonstration goals from "political engagement" to "show of force". I'm not in a position to tell you whether that's a good or a bad thing, but what I can say is that people are pissed enough that it will be hard to pull back from that. The Jan 20 demonstration looks like it will be best summed up thusly:

"Go ahead and do it, pussies"

It also gets lost in the national news cycles that the mid-atlantic states have had a pretty rough run of murders and rapes committed by illegals released by Dems. Yet another reason why people are ripshit.

Posted by: clown nose at December 15, 2019 08:51 PM (67XdO)

298 63 Mark Andrew Edwards @ 23- GT Distributors Blue Label 359.00 pre-order for 1/20/20. Whoohoo! and just when (looks over shoulder, whispers) Mrs. E told me NOT to attend gubshow today, or at least not spend any money.
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 07:29 PM (UUkQp)

Want.

Nurse and I are on the wishlist for a Glock 44 at West Coast Armory.

Honestly...I'm super, super happy with the CZ P-07 with the Kadet adapter but...I can't not buy a Glock in .22

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:52 PM (d1uFV)

299 Water isn't always the best for extinguishing chemical fires.

That we knew somehow. I think alcohol may have been involved as well.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 08:52 PM (K22Va)

300 The Virginia Democrats went from "common-sense gun control" and "we're not going to take your guns" to "We are going to crush any dissent and seize all your guns with the National Guard if you don't comply with our unconstitutional demands" in damn New York minute!

This is intolerable and I think the Governor and his minions have forgotten the meaning of Sic semper tyrannis.

This is quite likely to get ugly really quick.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at December 15, 2019 08:52 PM (P3IRG)

301 This place feels like home after all these years. My parents are both avid followers as well, keep up the great work!

Posted by: Daddyof2 at December 15, 2019 08:52 PM (2GPk7)

302 257, I thought that there was no recall for statewide officials but then I read the law. It does not specifically rule out recall of state officials so if nothing else it would serve as a focus on Northam's misdeeds whether or not a court would allow it. You need 10% of voters from what I read in Ballotpedia and the petition must be made to the district court judge where the capital is from my understanding. Then, there will be a trial with a jury with appeals to the VA Sup. Ct. if removed.

Given what Northam has probably done regarding his other notorious abortion right up until birth and his offensive Med School picture, you might be able to get outreach to the minority and pro life community as well.

Good luck and God speed.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 08:53 PM (MwILh)

303 290 279 Thank you, Mark. I will have to see which of these are available locally.
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 08:48 PM (87gB3)

My pleasure.

It is a huge money saver though if you can buy online. If you buy 1000 rounds in bulk you will save a good amount of money over buying by the box. Weasel has links above for lots of sites.

Good luck, I'm proud of you getting into shooting more!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:53 PM (d1uFV)

304 Water isn't always the best for extinguishing chemical fires.

That we knew somehow. I think alcohol may have been involved as well.
Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 08:52 PM (K22Va)

I should have added that it was very good thinking alcohol or not.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 15, 2019 08:54 PM (aS1PU)

305 Discussion of FISA warrants might be aided by review of the federal BATF process used to secure warrants to arrest and search David Koresh and his Waco compound.

http://www.davekopel.com/Waco/LawRev/warrant.htm

Does our current "due process" actually secure our rights... Under the 2nd or 4th or even 1st? At all?

Posted by: Pouncer at December 15, 2019 08:54 PM (L/ssi)

306 Another WA resident. Def wondering how far the libs want to take it here. Doing my part tho, rehabbed a Rem 700, was gonna rebarrel her but shoots 2" at 200 with original 1983 barrel off the bench. Sure she can do better with some tweaking! Picking up a Redhawk 45 Colt / 45acp end of the month. Gun show today for reloading goodies.

Posted by: Tuner at December 15, 2019 08:54 PM (VkUW4)

307 Emmie -

I feed my Sig P290 (similar to P365 but older) on Hornady Critical Defense (115 grain FTX hollowpoint) for carry & occasional range fire (not much at that price!) and Fiocchi 115 gr FMJ for general range firing.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 15, 2019 08:54 PM (JwHjN)

308 Posted by: clown nose at December 15, 2019 08:51 PM (67XdO)
-----
Welcome to you too, clown nose. Great nic!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

309 Good evening, Horde.

I remain the most ignorant of all of the Horde regarding firearms and self-protection.

I am the classic sitting duck.

Posted by: Ladyl at December 15, 2019 08:56 PM (TdMsT)

310 301 This place feels like home after all these years. My parents are both avid followers as well, keep up the great work!
Posted by: Daddyof2 at December 15, 2019 08:52 PM (2GPk7)
-------
A bunch of great commenters, that's for sure!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

311 300 The Virginia Democrats went from "common-sense gun control" and "we're not going to take your guns" to "We are going to crush any dissent and seize all your guns with the National Guard if you don't comply with our unconstitutional demands" in damn New York minute!

This is intolerable and I think the Governor and his minions have forgotten the meaning of Sic semper tyrannis.

This is quite likely to get ugly really quick.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at December 15, 2019 08:52 PM (P3IRG)
-------------

Yeah, the "no one is going to take your guns" nonsense has been exposed for just that.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM (WEBkv)

312 Career politicians lust for absolute power.

Citizen gun ownership prevents politicians from achieving absolute power.

Politicians hate guns.
Gun owners hate politicians.

ALL career politicians hate guns. (R) and (D).

The Uniparty can only control the areas of the world that have given up their gun rights. Like California. Like New York. Like New Jersey.

Like little bitches.

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM (ykID5)

313 I'm prepared to use all 4 boxes, but in order.

If the Soapbox, Ballotbox and Jurybox don't work...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:47 PM (d1uFV)

Well said Mark.
I'm going to use that.
I signed the repeal initiative today.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM (axyOa)

314 BTW, Wally World has marked down pistol ammo big time. Like at least 50%.

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM (r2qz1)

315 There is talk floating about of leaks from Governor Coonman's office indicating that they've been inquiring about the feasibility of cutting off power and comms to parts of the state during confiscation efforts.
Posted by: clown nose at December 15, 2019 08:51 PM (67XdO)

The governor, ordering utilities to shut off power to whole regions where they want to raid homes?

FERC and DHS might have some questions about that.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM (t+qrx)

316 Posted by: Ladyl at December 15, 2019 08:56 PM (TdMsT)
-----
Hi Ladyl!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

317 300 The Virginia Democrats went from "common-sense gun control" and "we're not going to take your guns" to "We are going to crush any dissent and seize all your guns with the National Guard if you don't comply with our unconstitutional demands" in damn New York minute!

I don't follow VA politics much, but guessing this cycle didn't take long to complete.

Which shows that they always thought forced general gun confiscation is cool, they were just holding their views close for a while.

Now, the mask is off. Once it starts, all bets are off.

Remember lefties, you asked for this, no, demanded this, after you crapped and puked all over the simplest Amendment to understand.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 08:58 PM (sy5kK)

318 316 Posted by: Ladyl at December 15, 2019 08:56 PM (TdMsT)
-----
Hi Ladyl!
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

Hi Weasel!

Posted by: Ladyl at December 15, 2019 08:59 PM (TdMsT)

319
Yeah, the "no one is going to take your guns" nonsense has been exposed for just that.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM (WEBkv)
------
Funny how that turned out, eh?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

320 The governor, ordering utilities to shut off power to whole regions where they want to raid homes?

FERC and DHS might have some questions about that.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM (t+qrx)
----------------

Either someone inside of government is having everyone on, or, they are stupid enough to think this is a good idea.

Really? Giving everyone advance notice you're coming to take guns is a good idea?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 08:59 PM (WEBkv)

321 LadyL, never too late to start. And it's not difficult. Just find like-minded near you. And there are plenty.
Even better, find someone of the Horde persuasion.

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 08:59 PM (r2qz1)

322 Ben Had @ 295- That right there is a good idea, would be our first wedding ceremony, n'est pas? So cool. You gotta believe NZ Frank always wanted to go get married in Republic of Texas and any woman he married would too.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (UUkQp)

323 I remain the most ignorant of all of the Horde regarding firearms and self-protection.

Posted by: Ladyl

---

Ladyl!

Not true! You just need more practice.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (Y4EXg)

324 309 Good evening, Horde.

I remain the most ignorant of all of the Horde regarding firearms and self-protection.

I am the classic sitting duck.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 15, 2019 08:56 PM (TdMsT)

We can help, if you want.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (d1uFV)

325 The Virginia State Flag, State Seal has that motto on it.
In Latin.
Well done, Weasel!

Posted by: navybrat, at large at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (w7KSn)

326 Having read the AGs statement I will bet he and his staff jag officer wrote multiple versions.
As I stated earlier last week, if we see a sudden and unexpected change in command in the Virginia NG then get ready, they are coming.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (axyOa)

327 Hi LCD
Mark. The GOP in this state uis utterly worthless.
The real issue is that King, Pierce, Snohomish and San Juan counties have the money and population. Just look at the commies on the Seattle City Council.
The rest of the state is outnumbered and outspent. My congress critter is a pediatrician from Issaquah and never even bothered to come here to campaign. The fix was in. Same with our esteemed, sarc, senator Cantwell. Never bothered with anyplace east of the Cascades. The state supreme court would make RBG blush at how insanely liberal they are. Corrupt to the bone.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (Tt761)

328 I never thought the Old Commonwealth state would try to become Illinois in one fell swoop. WTF America? Hmm, I foresee that the Republicans will make gains in elections for he next few years, but before then a lot of firearms will be reported lost, sunk, destroyed, etc. Meaning of course they will have been safely put away for later, and the authorities can go pound sand. I also think the police will accept such reports at face value and look the other way.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 15, 2019 09:01 PM (W+kMI)

329 The governor, ordering utilities to shut off power to whole regions where they want to raid homes?

Got that bullshit from California.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 09:01 PM (K22Va)

330 Weasel can you repost the link to the AV recall petition, or maybe perma-link it in the thread intro?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 09:01 PM (BiNEL)

331 Either someone inside of government is having everyone on, or, they are stupid enough to think this is a good idea.

Really? Giving everyone advance notice you're coming to take guns is a good idea?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 08:59 PM (WEBkv)

Sorry about your kid on the ventilator but hey, nothing personal. It's just these guns. We hate them so much.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 15, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)

332 How much does proximity to Wash DC have to do with the gun grabbing in VA?

Posted by: davidt at December 15, 2019 09:02 PM (l3+k2)

333 There is talk floating about of leaks from Governor Coonman's office indicating that they've been inquiring about the feasibility of cutting off power and comms to parts of the state during confiscation efforts....

It would be wiser to put a cordon around the State Capital.

And stockpile food and fuel first.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2019 09:02 PM (1g7ch)

334 322 Ben Had @ 295- That right there is a good idea, would be our first wedding ceremony, n'est pas? So cool. You gotta believe NZ Frank always wanted to go get married in Republic of Texas and any woman he married would too.
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (UUkQp)
------
Does this mean we get to make up wedding ceremony traditions, like jumping through flaming hoops and shooting and so forth?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

335 5 That turret is so freakin' cool that I can't even.
-----
I would pay $$ to sit in that sucker, crank it around, and squeeze off a few rounds. At 50 years of age I could fit in it too, which is better than some of my male friends.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 15, 2019 09:02 PM (W+kMI)

336 I mean, about the Gub thread

Posted by: navybrat, at large at December 15, 2019 09:02 PM (w7KSn)

337 Sorry about your kid on the ventilator but hey, nothing personal. It's just these guns. We hate them so much.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 15, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)
--------------

Now there's a thought. Nothing like breaking a few eggs before the eggs are really and truly broken.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 09:03 PM (WEBkv)

338 Good luck, I'm proud of you getting into shooting more!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 08:53 PM (d1uFV)

I'm excited! I have several friends who have range privileges and have invited me to join them for practice. I don't know enough about ranges around here yet to choose where to get a membership.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 09:03 PM (87gB3)

339 Well, Mr. Weasel, if it kicks off in VA, how many bunks ya got at Camp Lexington, uhh, Camp Happy Fun Time Place?

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 09:03 PM (r2qz1)

340 330 Weasel can you repost the link to the AV recall petition, or maybe perma-link it in the thread intro?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 09:01 PM (BiNEL)
----
Will do.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

341 Just a note on Hampton Roads: A *LOT* of those people who "rely on the federal and state governments for employment" are military and retired military, who do NOT agree with the antics of the idiots in Richmond.

However, there is also a sizable racial component to the voting in this area, which went for 0bama in 2008 and 2012. (Note that the racial component is mixed as a LOT of black folks around here also have Tea Party license plates.) I think the turnout of that demographic has increased since 2008, and it shows.

And, of course, there's the whole re-un-gerrymandering thing the courts imposed. (They struck down the Republican re-drawing from the 2010 census, then later demanded some group re-gerrymander to benefit the Dems. Oh yes, some are very unhappy with that - it affected Hampton Roads, among other spots.)

Personally, I think we should march on Richmond - armed - on the opening day of the legislature. I think, besides open carry of all sorts of legal weapons, we should all carry spears, as well, and carry the Va state flag or seal - just to remind them of their precarious position in a republic of freemen.

Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2019 09:03 PM (7hcwx)

342 332 How much does proximity to Wash DC have to do with the gun grabbing in VA?
Posted by: davidt

Northern Virginia is a separate entity in comparison to the rest of the state. It also has the highest population in the state.

Posted by: Puddlglum at December 15, 2019 09:04 PM (DR/Dl)

343 291, Weasel, thanks but a lot of "hopeless" political campaigns can catch fire and hold the line for another generation. Howard Jarvis is an example and so is Ward Connorly. CO is another where Coloradans liked TABOR more than Jared Polis.

Enough public outrage can lead to getting rid of the normal Washington General gatekeepers and force steely resolution into wavering pols if concentrated on a single point--a previsou posted noted that y'all have an ill defined recall statute. If y'all concentrate on getting Northam's resignation and ending his political dreams of any higher office, it might work. I think that very few folks actually like him but tolerate his garbage for the betterment of the borg.

A recall effort of collecting signatures will usually force other pols to distance themselves from him for their own ambitions. If he can keep the focus on Bloomberg's agenda, he can win. If you can make the agenda his personal conduct and threats and unconstitutional provisions, you can win. Make him the face of the unconstitutional gun laws of the crowning of his incompetent career-just as Alinsky says--find a target, freeze it, and polarize it. It is easy to get people to despise an officeholder than to understand the ins and outs of a policy.

It is so crazy that it might just work.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 09:04 PM (MwILh)

344 Does this mean we get to make up wedding ceremony traditions, like jumping through flaming hoops and shooting and so forth?
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:02 PM (MVjcR)
----------------

"With this .50 cal "blam blam blam blam" I thee wed..."

I smell money and matchmaking heaven!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 09:04 PM (WEBkv)

345 336 I mean, about the Gub thread
Posted by: navybrat, at large at December 15, 2019 09:02 PM (w7KSn)
----
Thank you, navybrat!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

346 Personally, I think we should march on Richmond - armed - on the opening day of the legislature. I think, besides open carry of all sorts of legal weapons, we should all carry spears, as well, and carry the Va state flag or seal - just to remind them of their precarious position in a republic of freemen.
Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2019 09:03 PM (7hcwx)

It's going to take a lot of civil disobedience.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2019 09:06 PM (axyOa)

347 Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

Of course, you know I meant VA not AV!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 09:06 PM (BiNEL)

348 307 Emmie -

I feed my Sig P290 (similar to P365 but older) on Hornady Critical Defense (115 grain FTX hollowpoint) for carry & occasional range fire (not much at that price!) and Fiocchi 115 gr FMJ for general range firing.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 15, 2019 08:54 PM (JwHjN)

Noted; thank you, Sock.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 09:07 PM (87gB3)

349 I would like to say that this situation will NOT happen in Ohio. Ohio has reasonable concealed carry legislation, reasonable transport, use, and purchase legislation, and enough of a gun using population to keep Columbus smart. After the 2000 race riot in Cincinnati gun control in Ohio lost a lot of momentum. Yeah there's a bunch of pinko gun control weenies. No they are not going to get their way.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 15, 2019 09:07 PM (W+kMI)

350 When I go to the range, I buy two boxes of ammo, one to shoot, one to stockpile. This allows me to build up my reserve while not being a big bite out of my wallet. It also saves me a trip to the ammo store.

Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2019 09:07 PM (n13pf)

351 Not true! You just need more practice.

We can help, if you want.

***

Part of the issue is that the terminology is above my head, so that although I have done some of the recommended reading for beginners, reading the comments is sometimes like deciphering a foreign language.

When I get the time, I'll take a class.

Posted by: Ladyl at December 15, 2019 09:07 PM (TdMsT)

352 Glad to help out, Emmie !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 15, 2019 09:07 PM (JwHjN)

353 By the way, Matt Bracken, of "Enemies, Foreign and Domestic" fame, recommends not doing a show of force in Richmond, because he thinks it's just asking for a false flag operation. Rather, he thinks one should be advertised, let antifa show up, and then hold the real rally in a county and city that supports the Second Amendment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 09:08 PM (WEBkv)

354 Tuner,
I hope you're interested in a PNW MoMe in May. Would love to meet you!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 09:09 PM (PkVlr)

355 Looking at VCDL's lobbying day - it is Martin Luther King Day.

State government will be closed. Who are they going to lobby?

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 09:09 PM (ZfRYq)

356 I also heard the 2016 Virginia election turned on voter fraud permitting ex-felons and illegals to vote. Any truth to that situation, and how it can be reversed to allow uncorrupted elections to return to the state?

Posted by: exdem13 at December 15, 2019 09:09 PM (W+kMI)

357
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:05 PM (MVjcR)
Thanks for the great thread. I don't comment much in this one but appreciate what I can learn from you guys.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 09:09 PM (K22Va)

358 The National Guard is the least of your worries. I have no doubt that DJT would welcome to chance to federalize them and remove them from a power mad governor. Little Rock Central is the key there. Once federalized, the gubnor and his cronies have no say. Ike kept the AR Nat. Guard with orders to stay at home for a year except for a few guard who were not from the Little Rock area that were used inside the school to escort students to classes while the 101 addressed external security.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 09:10 PM (MwILh)

359 356 I also heard the 2016 Virginia election turned on voter fraud permitting ex-felons and illegals to vote. Any truth to that situation, and how it can be reversed to allow uncorrupted elections to return to the state?
Posted by: exdem13 at December 15, 2019 09:09 PM (W+kMI)
--------------

"Battle of Athens" comes to mind.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 09:10 PM (WEBkv)

360 Part of the issue is that the terminology is above my head

LadyL, just remember that all a gun is is a tool for making holes at a distance. Everything else is details.

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 09:10 PM (r2qz1)

361 The fellow who sold me my gun says his purpose in life is to convert as many people as people possible to gun ownership and to sell as many guns as possible so that the would-be tyrants have no chance against the freedom-lovers.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 09:10 PM (87gB3)

362 When I go to the range, I buy two boxes of ammo, one to shoot, one to stockpile. This allows me to build up my reserve while not being a big bite out of my wallet. It also saves me a trip to the ammo store.
Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2019 09:07 PM (n13pf)

Goes for nonperishable food and medical supplies too.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 15, 2019 09:12 PM (t+qrx)

363 Ok, all that venting out of my system, I don't think we're going to see the Left making a serious gun grab while Trump is in office.

I know, I know. That means I get older and fatter before the music starts to play, but I think the Dems need the presidency before they're willing to start shooting people. This IS important and we need to fight back....but do it with the first three boxes first.

I suspect the 4th box will be opened in 2025.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2019 09:12 PM (d1uFV)

364 Ladyl, do please ask questions if the terminology is unclear, you know how happy we would be to explain it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 15, 2019 09:12 PM (JwHjN)

365 Thanks for the great thread. I don't comment much in this one but appreciate what I can learn from you guys.
Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2019 09:09 PM (K22Va)
------
Thanks dartist!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:13 PM (MVjcR)

366 Cutting off communication raises another issue. Should patriots be equipping themselves with alternative communication avenues? Does HAM radio suit the situation, or can that be blocked?

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 09:13 PM (87gB3)

367 356 I also heard the 2016 Virginia election turned on voter fraud permitting ex-felons and illegals to vote. Any truth to that situation, and how it can be reversed to allow uncorrupted elections to return to the state?
Posted by: exdem13 at December 15, 2019 09:09 PM (W+kMI)

No, this is wishcasting. While certainly the felon voting rights restoration had some impact, Trump lost VA by 5 points over 200k votes. Only about 16k felons had voting rights restored by McAuliffe.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 09:13 PM (ZfRYq)

368 "Battle of Athens"

https://tinyurl.com/wcpj55k

I can't vouch for the source, though, it looks like it's pretty good.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 09:13 PM (WEBkv)

369
LadyL, just remember that all a gun is is a tool for making holes at a distance. Everything else is details.
Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 09:10 PM (r2qz1)

That's the one fact I'm pretty certain of!

Posted by: Ladyl at December 15, 2019 09:14 PM (TdMsT)

370 VA GOP didn't even run candidates in what, 31 districts? Can't remember the exact number. The VA GOP is a waste of oxygen.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 15, 2019 09:15 PM (DR/Dl)

371 The governor, ordering utilities to shut off power to whole regions where they want to raid homes?

FERC and DHS might have some questions about that.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM

They might be able to get away with power, but shutting down comms for damn sure will involve the FCC.

Posted by: Bert G at December 15, 2019 09:15 PM (OMsf+)

372 GWB @ 341, when I was stationed in Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Little Creek area (the second time) a lot of retirees in Hampton Roads told me to retire someplace else besides Virginia. After most of my Navy career being a legal Florida (no state income tax) resident, it was a nobrainer to retire in Texas, and we never looked back. I pray Texas is at least 5 years behind Virginia. Being way the hell away from the yankee government in Washington City is good.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 09:16 PM (UUkQp)

373
Well said Mark.
I'm going to use that.
I signed the repeal initiative today.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM (axyOa)

Most gun stores and ranges have the initiative I-1094 on the counter for registered voters to sign.

also, you can get a copy for yourself at:
https://www.waguns.org/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=104796 , just print it out and sign it. Get your friends to sign it, and then make sure you mail it in before December 27, the deadline for turn-in.

The recent big uptick in signature efforts is good, this effort isn't over quite yet.

I would much rather use the ballot box myself, too.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 09:16 PM (sy5kK)

374 Cede NoVa to DC. Give District One a single electoral vote from Virginia's 13.

Simple.

Posted by: mikeyG is going into the chrysallis at December 15, 2019 09:16 PM (ykID5)

375 PDT joked about Nanzi's dentures falling out on Twitter tonight. THat was hilarious.

Posted by: jmel at December 15, 2019 09:18 PM (OeWgo)

376 327 Hi LCD
Mark. The GOP in this state uis utterly worthless.
The real issue is that King, Pierce, Snohomish and San Juan counties have the money and population. Just look at the commies on the Seattle City Council.
The rest of the state is outnumbered and outspent. My congress critter is a pediatrician from Issaquah and never even bothered to come here to campaign. The fix was in. Same with our esteemed, sarc, senator Cantwell. Never bothered with anyplace east of the Cascades. The state supreme court would make RBG blush at how insanely liberal they are. Corrupt to the bone.
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (Tt761)

Well said, Winston.

If you EVER get over to the wet side of the state and don't take up my offer of free beer, I will be disappointed.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 09:19 PM (sy5kK)

377 353, Why not meet at Williamsburg which was the original capital of Virginia in 1776 and where Virginia's Bill of Rights was drafted. Bit of symbolism there which you need. If the issue is guns vs. VA Govt, you have lost the rhetorical fight. If the issue is VA Govt versus the rights protected by the VA Bill of Rights which include guns, then it is better rhetoric for the squeamish. I also believe that royal Gov. Dunham tried the seize the gunpowder out of Williamsburg's armory in 1775 which ended up with Dunham fleeing Virginia.

The pageantry and symbolism would be far better than a bunch of armed guys apparently threatening the VA govt. and address the real problem which is the actions proposed are unconstitutional then in 1775 and now in 2019. Maybe you can get Northam to repeat Dunham's vanishing act.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 09:19 PM (MwILh)

378 I would much rather use the ballot box myself, too.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 09:16 PM (sy5kK)
---------------

Me too, though, considering what's happened with th election of PDT and the fact none of our so-called "betters" accept him as president, I'm pretty sure voting only puts off the inevitable.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 09:19 PM (WEBkv)

379
I remember how the left used to mock us for being afraid of forcible gun confiscation using the armed forces. What paranoid lunatics we were. All they wanted was common-sense gun control. For the children. And wine moms.

Under the Insurrection Act, POTUS could nationalize the national guard and take control away from the guv. It would take balls to invoke that.

It all depends on who is President at the time. A Dem POTUS would let it happen, and hell, might back the effort, using federal troops to make it happen.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 15, 2019 09:19 PM (f1Vqw)

380 Just spit-balling here, but a general loss of communications would seem to me to be the signal for individual local community action. As Bracken might say.
Then again, it might be solar activity.
Imagine my embarrassment.

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 09:20 PM (r2qz1)

381 "371 The governor, ordering utilities to shut off power to whole regions where they want to raid homes?

FERC and DHS might have some questions about that.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 15, 2019 08:57 PM

They might be able to get away with power, but shutting down comms for damn sure will involve the FCC."

Cutting off electricity would violate a slew of federal laws. Utilities even now have to tread lightly for non-payment due to ADA and so forth.

I also know there are plenty of military retirees in Virginia who in retaliation could sabotage and knock out the entire grid in Richmond.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 15, 2019 09:21 PM (iw59Q)

382 375 PDT joked about Nanzi's dentures falling out on Twitter tonight. THat was hilarious.
Posted by: jmel at December 15, 2019 09:18 PM (OeWgo)

---------

Oh dearie me.

Posted by: El Gobernador Heb Booosch at December 15, 2019 09:21 PM (XVuno)

383 Meeting in Richmond is key, it is the seat of government.

Showing up armed is dumb with a capital D. It's bad optics and the people who want to take our guns will say "see this is why we have to."

But now that I see VCDL is doing it on MLK day, I am like, seriously? Can't anybody here play this game?

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 09:21 PM (ZfRYq)

384 361 Emmie, that guy gets it. That is the way we win in the long run and short run. People have a curious loss avoidance preference where people will fight harder to avoid a loss than they will to get a potential gain. More firearm owners, less support for the gun grabbers.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 09:21 PM (MwILh)

385 Hiya

Posted by: ALH at December 15, 2019 09:22 PM (eozwC)

386 346 Personally, I think we should march on Richmond - armed - on the opening day of the legislature. I think, besides open carry of all sorts of legal weapons, we should all carry spears, as well, and carry the Va state flag or seal - just to remind them of their precarious position in a republic of freemen.
Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2019 09:03 PM (7hcwx)

It's going to take a lot of civil disobedience.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2019 09:06 PM (axyOa)

Toss in a half-dozen folks carrying flaming torches, just for effect.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 09:23 PM (sy5kK)

387 Well, time to wander.

Great thread, but depressing in its portent.

Night all and practice, practice practice.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 09:23 PM (WEBkv)

388 Send a poor moron to bomber camp. Donate to my go fund me account.....

Posted by: Archer at December 15, 2019 09:23 PM (0E35O)

389 When I get the time, I'll take a class.
Posted by: Ladyl

---

Both Shoot Point Blank in Lewis Center and The Bullet Ranch in Reynoldsburg has Beginner Handgun classes going all the time.

They would love to see you!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 09:23 PM (Y4EXg)

390 Although I see the appeal and symbolism, unless you all can convince me otherwise, I see a fair amount of potential downside to the big rally in January. Anything that happens is going to be "our" fault. Still, I'm tempted to go.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

391 VA GOP didn't even run candidates in what, 31 districts? Can't remember the exact number. The VA GOP is a waste of oxygen.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 15, 2019 09:15 PM (DR/Dl)

The campaign ads in NoVA were pathetic: Not one mention that I ever heard of Coonman Gosnell-Northam's infanticide propensities, the corrupt Lieutenant Governor or the sleazy Attorney General and not one tirade about the dangers of gun grabbing by raving progs (when it had JUST BEEN beaten down by a parliamentary maneuver by the Republicans in the VA legislature)!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 09:24 PM (BiNEL)

392 NEVER trust anyone who wants to take away your ability to defend yourself.

Posted by: boynsea at December 15, 2019 09:24 PM (Fks5r)

393 Yes, I've seen quite a few PNW morons here, I'd really enjoy meeting like minded people! May is certainly possible!

Posted by: Tuner at December 15, 2019 09:24 PM (VkUW4)

394 326 Having read the AGs statement I will bet he and his staff jag officer wrote multiple versions.
As I stated earlier last week, if we see a sudden and unexpected change in command in the Virginia NG then get ready, they are coming.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (axyOa)

If that were to happen, I predict that the new commander, his family, and all relatives will be publicly DOXXED within 24 hours.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 09:24 PM (sy5kK)

395 whig

You must be experienced in politics. You propose sound, well thought out methods to avoid calamity.

Can they be adopted? I guess I need to contact my reps more.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2019 09:24 PM (u82oZ)

396 I agree that a demonstration/meeting at Williamsburg or Yorktown would be more ... demonstrative?

I'm really pulling for you Virginians! Can't believe what is going on there it breaks my heart.

or how about Lexington VA

Posted by: BlackOrchid, Wanna-Be Ukrainian Asset at December 15, 2019 09:24 PM (Rarvo)

397 384 Whig, we have Dems in our state salivating over whatever rights they can deny us. We tried a recall petition for our governor and I'm very suspicious about it supposedly coming up short on signatures. I wonder how many signature gatherers were fake and just threw their signatures away.

Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2019 09:25 PM (87gB3)

398 @Weasel - I will go on the Jan 20 bus ride but I am concerned about the fact that it is MLK day, the government will be closed, and thus no one to lobby. Makes the lobby day look dumb. If its going to be a rally, that is one thing. But call it a lobbying day when the offices are closed?

Own goal.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 09:25 PM (ZfRYq)

399 The governor, ordering utilities to shut off power to whole regions where they want to raid homes?

Fine. If its morally OK to cut off the power to whole regions, then return the favor. Fire large clouds of carbon graphite in on the electrical transformers in key areas.

have them short out. millions of dollars and many months to replace them.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 15, 2019 09:25 PM (lD3vL)

400 The Virginia GOP is largely useless. Some of the best are now retired. But the party is largely controlled by Bushies and have nominated some pathetic candidates in the last 8 years. Frankly, the Democrats might well have won even without massive influx of out-of-state money and voter fraud.

I hope right now the Governor and his minions are just trying to prove the have some balls and making threats they know they can't enforce. But this is the same guy who openly advocated killing babies at and immediately after birth. He may well be as unhinged as he seems right now.

I don't think it will take much to trigger some awful confrontation next year when any new laws might take effect. All it takes is one hot head on either side to set off an massive disaster.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at December 15, 2019 09:26 PM (P3IRG)

401
Virginia Senate Bill No. 64 would legally classify firearms training, lending a gun, or formation of a firearms related organization as "illegal paramilitary activity." Scheduled for vote Jan. 8. Does this piece of crap have any chance of passing?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2019 09:26 PM (t5m5e)

402 As long as VA persists with their radar detector ban I wish the state all the harm in the world.

Posted by: JEM at December 15, 2019 09:27 PM (Loq+3)

403 Thank you, Weasel, for a smashing Gun Thread.

I think I will dream of bomber camp.

Anyone want to try and get a NGFS camp going? 127 mm and up for the win.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2019 09:27 PM (u82oZ)

404 Oh, and here's my weekly 9:30 comment:
A big thanks to all of you for showing up and spending part of your weekend here. Great discussion. You all are the best!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:27 PM (MVjcR)

405 If that were to happen, I predict that the new commander, his family, and all relatives will be publicly DOXXED within 24 hours.

That a funny way to say "killed".

Face it. They want you dead. This time it is for real.

Coonman is a sociopathic murderer. He gets off on this sort of thing.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 15, 2019 09:27 PM (lD3vL)

406 322 Ben Had @ 295- That right there is a good idea, would be our first wedding ceremony, n'est pas? So cool. You gotta believe NZ Frank always wanted to go get married in Republic of Texas and any woman he married would too.
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 09:00 PM (UUkQp))

My Norwegian is very understanding about my gun life, not too sure she would leave the family behind to get hitched even in Texas, she would love a TX Mo Me tho. And we have Mercins travelling to Nil Zilind for the shooting and then a wedding.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 15, 2019 09:27 PM (bgJ0E)

407 ---

Both Shoot Point Blank in Lewis Center and The Bullet Ranch in Reynoldsburg has Beginner Handgun classes going all the time.

They would love to see you!
Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2019 09:23 PM (Y4EXg)

Thanks!

Posted by: Ladyl at December 15, 2019 09:28 PM (TdMsT)

408 Virginia Senate Bill No. 64 would legally classify firearms training, lending a gun, or formation of a firearms related organization as "illegal paramilitary activity." Scheduled for vote Jan. 8. Does this piece of crap have any chance of passing?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2019 09:26 PM (t5m5e)

Yes.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 09:28 PM (ZfRYq)

409 When I get the time, I'll take a class.
Posted by: Ladyl

{{{Ladyl}}} Find the time! Please!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 09:28 PM (BiNEL)

410 The governor, ordering utilities to shut off power to whole regions where they want to raid homes?

How is this not terrorism?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 15, 2019 09:30 PM (lD3vL)

411 Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2019 09:27 PM (u82oZ)
----
Thank you Salty!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

412 NOOD early ONT

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 15, 2019 09:31 PM (aS1PU)

413 Not everyone in the Richmond area (I live in Glen Allen) is a carpetbagger. The first member of my family to set foot in Virginia sailed over in 1637.

If we could just shove Fairfax and Loudon counties into Maryland, none of this garbage would be happening.

Posted by: radar at December 15, 2019 09:32 PM (aPhDV)

414 378 I would much rather use the ballot box myself, too.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 09:16 PM (sy5kK)
---------------

Me too, though, considering what's happened with th election of PDT and the fact none of our so-called "betters" accept him as president, I'm pretty sure voting only puts off the inevitable.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 15, 2019 09:19 PM (WEBkv)

In my relatively simple, black ampersand white thinking, I look at this similarly to a good football game between two great teams.

There is ebb and flow, and momentum. One side gets beaten on a few plays, but then rises up and shuts them down.

This is where we are with 2A rights today. Those citizens that believe in the traditional written view of gun rights are stiffening up the line after a few long pass gains from the left. Albeit, the left receivers pushed off and the defender didn't get the call, because that is not how some state Supreme Courts roll.

Like my state of Washington.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 09:32 PM (sy5kK)

415 Saturday, brand new Bartlein #13 barrel (26-inch 308 SAAMI chamber) on the PRS gun. Retorqued brake to barrel, barrel to receiver, receiver to stock, base to receiver, and scope to base. 100 yards. I haven't shot any bolt gun for about 4 months. Bore sight at the range. First shot 8 inches low, adjust scope, shoot 4, last two touching. Slip turrets. Went home and cleaned. It might shoot.

Sunday, carbine at 10 yards. Iron sights. Target is a sandwich-sized paper plate stapled to an IPSC. Singles, controlled pairs, and doubles. 50 rounds. Accuracy good, figured out a couple things but I am not happy with the speed. Starting from low ready, I want the first shot under a second and both shots under 1.5 seconds. Not there yet.

Posted by: Richard at December 15, 2019 09:32 PM (huaUe)

416 Thank you for your work and dedication, Weasel.
Smooch!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 09:32 PM (PkVlr)

417 or how about Lexington VA

The home of Washington & Lee University. Student "Activists" are trying to change the name because both Washington and Lee owned slaves. Really. Don't pick a college town. Petersburg would be an interesting choice. Just south of Richmond. Or head down to South Boston, Danville, or Martinsville. Some fine NASCAR short tracks down there too.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 15, 2019 09:32 PM (DR/Dl)

418 Coonman is a sociopathic murderer. He gets off on this sort of thing.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 15, 2019 09:27 PM (lD3vL)

If you can find it, listen to pediatric-neurologist Gosnell-Northam's verbal description about the proper procedure to practice post birth abortion. If you can still believe he has NOT done this personally after listening to that, you are a far more trusting soul than I am!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 15, 2019 09:33 PM (BiNEL)

419 379
I remember how the left used to mock us for being afraid of forcible gun confiscation using the armed forces. What paranoid lunatics we were. All they wanted was common-sense gun control. For the children. And wine moms.

Under the Insurrection Act, POTUS could nationalize the national guard and take control away from the guv. It would take balls to invoke that.

It all depends on who is President at the time. A Dem POTUS would let it happen, and hell, might back the effort, using federal troops to make it happen.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 15, 2019 09:19 PM (f1Vqw)

Hopefully, the Supreme Court will stop the VA laws if they're made into law, and provide a firewall against a Dem House, Senate, and President enacting extreme firearms policies and laws at the national level. There are two sides to that coin, though: The Second Amendment only says what five SCOTUS justices say it does. If SCOTUS ever has a majority of RBG-type Justices, the Second Amendment may be ruled to mean a citizen can have one black powder musket. And maybe not even that.

Posted by: Gref at December 15, 2019 09:33 PM (AMIL/)

420 416 Thank you for your work and dedication, Weasel.
Smooch!
Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 15, 2019 09:32 PM (PkVlr)
---------
*blushes*
You're welcome!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

421 SB64 can be read as outlawing any form of self defense training, not just firearms. Martial arts as well.

Posted by: radar at December 15, 2019 09:33 PM (aPhDV)

422
If we could just shove Fairfax and Loudon counties into Maryland, none of this garbage would be happening.
Posted by: radar at December 15, 2019 09:32 PM (aPhDV)
-----
Agreed!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

423 coonman is a baby killing terrorist. it's a short drive for that hitleresque fuck to start killing law abiding citizens. good luck virginia.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2019 09:35 PM (KP5rU)

424 393 Yes, I've seen quite a few PNW morons here, I'd really enjoy meeting like minded people! May is certainly possible!
Posted by: Tuner at December 15, 2019 09:24 PM (VkUW4)

The 2nd PacNWMoMe will be real, and spectacular!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 09:35 PM (sy5kK)

425 NZ Frank @ 406, when you get to Corsicana probably second weekend of October if previous TX MoMe's hold constant, check the Thrifty Nickel trade paper stands in front of any store. They will have a section titled something such like 'Rural Properties For Sale'. That's the ticket. And Happy Trails till Monday. Up at 0400.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 09:35 PM (UUkQp)

426 The VCDL is having a rally in Richmond because it's what they do every year. That's the reason it will be here and not some where like Williamsburg.

Posted by: radar at December 15, 2019 09:36 PM (aPhDV)

427 Welp, looks like the ONT has kicked us to the curb. Thanks again everyone! Have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

428 "36
Come on over to West Virginia. Our gun laws are: 1) Don't shoot people
unless you have a good reason; 2) You don't need a permit for open or
concealed carry."

I wonder if West Virginia could usefully dispute its border with Virginia. SCOTUS might very well rule in their favor, thus making the problem go away for most of Virginia.

The only other (legal) idea I've come up with is to suggest that Trump call up the Virginia National Guard and send them to defend the Mexican border. Then they won't be available for the new Governor to use them for mischief.

"98 We just had a bunch of restrictive new gun laws pass in WA state."

Today's good news is that Trump just put a Republican majority on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (which has been the big obstacle to gun rights in its district, especially in CA). Now we should be able to get Heller and MacDonald made to apply here.

If not nationwide Constitutional Carry. We need to hurry and bring such a case before the next DemonRat President and Senate can pack the courts with bad guys again.

Posted by: jdgalt at December 15, 2019 09:36 PM (3SFo/)

429 408 Virginia Senate Bill No. 64 would legally classify firearms training, lending a gun, or formation of a firearms related organization as "illegal paramilitary activity." Scheduled for vote Jan. 8. Does this piece of crap have any chance of passing?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2019 09:26 PM (t5m5e)

Yes.
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 09:28 PM (ZfRYq)

So, taking away the 2A isn't enough?

They are taking away the 1A right of freedom of assembly, too?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2019 09:40 PM (sy5kK)

430 Read up on the Athens (Tennessee) Rebellion in 1946.

Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2019 09:40 PM (n13pf)

431 Are they doing anything to challenge the blatent violations of your constitutional rights?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2019 07:24 PM (Tnijr)

Well, nothing has actually _happened_ yet. So they have nothing to file suit _over_.

Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2019 09:41 PM (7hcwx)

432 Being way the hell away from the yankee government in Washington City is good.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2019 09:16 PM (UUkQp)

Yep. Though less "yankee" and more "King George".

Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2019 09:42 PM (7hcwx)

433 Most laws passed and signed into law won't take effect until July 1, 2020. That gives Virginians several months to organize and plan strategies.

Of course, that gives Governor Blackface McAbortion time to plan too.

Cutting off power into areas would easily result in many deaths and injuries. Quite literally the elderly and children would be hardest hit. Imagine how much insulin might spoil and how many oxygen systems might get disabled. Cutting off power isn't necessarily a surgical act.

If Bubba in the National Guard finds out his granny or mother died as a result of the Governor's decision he may not be quite so enthusiastic about showing up for mobilization. If he is ordered to his neighbor's house, or his sister's house or his own house to confiscate a personal AR-15 his loyalty might be somewhat suspect.

There are 1.5 to 2 million gun owners in the state. There are 2100 State Troopers. Assuming 1/2 of those troopers don't call in sick, the odds don't favor the governor even if 90% of people comply with his unconstitutional acts. And I think he'll be lucky if he gets 5% compliance.

This is giant leap toward the government pushing citizens into open and armed defiance against an illegitimate government. And I don't think Democrats realize this or maybe they just don't care. Who knows. But we could find out quicker than they realize.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at December 15, 2019 09:45 PM (P3IRG)

434 Down here in the southwest corner of the Commonwealth, the sentiment's the same as the rest of Virginia. The City of Norton and Wise County both passed 2nd amendment sanctuary resolutions. One wonders if blackface Northam is getting the message. National Guard indeed.

Posted by: brinster at December 15, 2019 09:46 PM (8zrY8)

435 Showing up armed is dumb with a capital D. It's bad
optics and the people who want to take our guns will say "see this is
why we have to."

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2019 09:21 PM (ZfRYq)

And the right answer is "See? THEY are why we have to!"No, it's time to stop with the "Oh, that might scare people" crap and show the gov't that WE are the ultimate power in the state, and their power grab will be treated properly.

It might JUST head off anyone else having to do it if we do it early enough and forcefully enough.

Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2019 09:47 PM (7hcwx)

436 Any law which claims to be able to take away any constitutional rights is a Jim Crow Law. The federal law I cited earlier was written to specifically prevent Democrats in the Old South from writing Jim Crow laws.

Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2019 09:48 PM (n13pf)

437 434 Down here in the southwest corner of the Commonwealth, the sentiment's the same as the rest of Virginia. The City of Norton and Wise County both passed 2nd amendment sanctuary resolutions. One wonders if blackface Northam is getting the message. National Guard indeed.
Posted by: brinster at December 15, 2019 09:46 PM (8zrY

--------
Hi brinster! Welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

438 Thoughts?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

Even though it's too late, by my measure (should be the first day of the legislature), I plan on going.

Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2019 09:49 PM (7hcwx)

439 Interesting and uncomfortable thread tonight, Mr. W.

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 09:51 PM (r2qz1)

440
Even though it's too late, by my measure (should be the first day of the legislature), I plan on going.
Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2019 09:49 PM (7hcwx)
---------
Would you consider writing a summary of your observations and impressions for the rest of us?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

441 439 Interesting and uncomfortable thread tonight, Mr. W.
Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 09:51 PM (r2qz1)
-----
Yeah. It's going to be an interesting year, that's for sure.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:53 PM (MVjcR)

442 Yeah. It's going to be an interesting year, that's for sure.
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:53 PM (MVjcR)

"20/20. The year it all became clear."
Hah!

Posted by: RI Red at December 15, 2019 09:55 PM (r2qz1)

443 Hi Weasel,

I'm sorry you have to endure this BS but it is what it is. Maybe the next election the Republicans will understand what the consequences of doing nothing really are.

As far as that happening in my state, Alabama, which celebrated 200 years of existence as a state Saturday, it will be a time of ice skates and winter land wonderment in Hell.

Posted by: Gmac- The light at the end of the tunnel is the Trump 2020 train. at December 15, 2019 10:03 PM (qZdIZ)

444 395, I have been involved in politics at the local, state, and federal level (only one preznet campaign) since the 1970's. I have lobbied, petitioned, promoted candidates, etc.

The major rule in politics is all politics is local and the votes are in the precincts. Bloomberg type mass media and social media campaigns only work when people do not know each other or the candidate. Most people are not ideological as in they believe that principle a causes b to happen. Thus, they have outcome preferences rather than policy preferences. That is where you can work.

Dishonest policy activists depend on screwing trusting souls just as Obamacare's (and Romney's) health care guru Gruber rudely indicated after it passed. The way that it has to work to counteract that is an Army of Davids as Instapundit put it. Use your friends and family network, like the military, go around strong points (truly committed activists) to get to the soft underbelly of political support for a policy.

Single women often know that they are vulnerable but figure that the police and government will take care of their protections. It is cruel like field surgery, but you have to disillusion them that Custer is coming. There is a long line of cases that government has no legal duty to protect any individual outside of that individual being in custody of the state (see Winnebago Cty v. DeShaney regarding protection of a child by social workers). Circuit court of appeal decisions have upheld this principle where literally people have been raped for hours even after calling 911 and being told that police were on their way but they did not show up (Warren v. D.C. (1981)). This has been reiterated by other circuits.

To minorities, who often face dangerous neighborhoods, you can use similar arguments whereas blacks were banned from owning firearms before the Civil War and Justice Taney in the Dred Scott decision used that to claim that blacks could not be citizens of the United States.

Few, if any, want to be dead, few if any, want to be hurt by criminals. So a wise person seeking to preserve firearm rights needs to have alternative policies and information for such fears as mass shooters, terrorism, etc. This can convert outcome preferences into solid numbers for policies. That is why even extreme gun banners have been unable to get rid of handguns as the NRA has persuaded since the 1960's that it is useful for self defense. Utility to individuals will beat a hypothetical right every time.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 10:07 PM (MwILh)

445 Would you consider writing a summary of your observations and impressions for the rest of us?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2019 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

Sure.

Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2019 10:11 PM (7hcwx)

446 443, It is a two pronged attack, one is at the national level but the anti-gunners are also going after state by state to reverse gun rights victories in the past. They are not idiots but folks that are following a long range plan to eliminate firearms and they suffer no lack of funds nor volunteer activists to get there.

Thus, if the Dems win the national lottery of House, Senate, and President, then they move to ban it at the national level, but the state by state campaign is their alternative to outflank us and get votes for Dems. What Alabama does as a state matters less if the orders come from Washington on confiscation. At that point, you confront the same bleak decisions as VA folks have.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 10:11 PM (MwILh)

447 "Showing up armed is dumb with a capital D. It's bad

optics and the people who want to take our guns will say "see this is

why we have to."

They're trying to take them to make it easier to kill and imprison us. They'll say literally anything that they think will get the job done. Bad optics might change what excuses they use, but ultimately the fence sitters are irrelevant; nothing they think matters, because leftists think they control them via the MSM and will continue on regardless.

We're getting closer to leaving the realm of sound bytes and entering a place where what matters is logistics and the real sources of political power.

Posted by: clown nose at December 15, 2019 10:18 PM (67XdO)

448 426, I understand that. But, if you are going to have an all hands on deck, it is not great optics to have the seat of government surrounded by armed guys. If it is supposed to be a lobbying day, there is even less reason to hold it on MLK Birthday when govt. offices are closed. If armed people show up en masse at Richmond, the governor would be well within his power and right to summon national guard folks to protect the Capitol and other govt buildings. How will those optics help your cause?

Remember, the goal is to win hearts and minds, not to overawe and raise fright among the people. You want to win without violence, then you win within the political system which means paying attention to average Joe voter.

Col. Rex Applegate wrote a book called Kill or Be Killed. In it, he talks about his lessons regarding organized street violence in Latin America and how police/military were trained to fight it. Leftists have no conscience in getting other people killed to advance the cause so to show up with firearms is to enter a trap.

Simply, if the plan goes forward, the VCDL has no ability to prevent agent provocateurs from infiltrating the protests and giving the VCDL a bloody nose. To wit, look what happened in Charlottesville, VA which was suddenly a cause celebre nationwide for a former Obama activist to hijack the protest over statute removals into one for white supremacy.

I understand a lot of folks are upset, a lot of folks are outraged, and a lot of folks are terrorized about what the future brings in VA. But, the whole incitement to show up armed en masse is not smart politics.

Want to show up armed, bring your smokepoles aka black powder muskets, bring the reenactors, and so on which reemphasizes the historical roots of Virginia's own Bill of Rights and RKBA that predates the U.S. Constitution. The royal government collapsed after trying a gun and powder grab of the colonial armory at Williamsburg. Make it a Virginia thing rather than Dem versus R.

That is my advice and YMMV.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 10:27 PM (MwILh)

449 This is what gets me; the proposed bill lists the characteristics of a modern "assault rifle," any one of which means the rifle falls under this category. One of the characteristics is a bayonet lug. For those who have studied history, particularly firearms history, you know that bayonets have been fitted to rifles since the 1720s. So if this bill passes, it will classify a replica 1723 British Long Land Brown Bess FLINTLOCK MUSKET as a modern assault rifle and, as such, owning one in Virginia after this nonsense passes becomes a 5th degree felony. So much for the Democrat's "common sense gun control" when common sense is so blatantly absent from said bill.

Posted by: Mattski at December 15, 2019 10:29 PM (u6VIU)

450 449, That is an example of the kind of absurdity that gets attention. Carry those instead of EBR's to highlight the stupidity of the action. Use statistics that show how many mass bayonet killings have happened in the U.S. recently. etc. Sarcasm and ridicule are highly effective tools in political rhetoric.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2019 10:47 PM (MwILh)

451 450: oh, I am all about ridiculing. I'm just trying to figure out how best to get points like these out to the general public. If enough people see that and start rattling the cages of the legislature, they won't have the stones to pass it for fear of retribution/backlash

Posted by: Mattski at December 15, 2019 10:51 PM (u6VIU)

452 I figure the Civil War will start in Virginia. And except for the blood and damage a better place could not have been found.

Right next door to the treacherous hive of scum and villainy that thinks it runs the country; Washington, DC.

When y'all are done you can step across the river and continue to flush out the bastards.

Doing so will be tough but you are surrounded by those who will come to your aid whenever called upon.

New Jersey is even emulating y'all right now and the movement just might grow quite rapidly.

And if enough folks get behind it, it will no longer be just rhetoric and resolutions it will be an armed and angry National Militia with members far and wide.

I said before this movement got started that we would have an opportunity to see how a government can devolve into a tyrannical enemy of it's citizens such as what California has become only now we may get to watch the other side of that coin and see it's citizens take action before the dictators get too entrenched. California will take dynamite and an assault or two.
Virginia just might stop this shit in it's tracks giving us all an example and an icon.

I look forward to them marching on Richmond. Armed and organized. But POLITE!

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at December 15, 2019 11:43 PM (PiE+K)

453 Alas, whigs seems to know nothing about Virginia. The 20th is Lobby Day. There have been large, armed crowds in Richmond every year for years. And, in Virginia it is a state holiday known as Lee-Jackson Day and not MLK Day.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at December 16, 2019 04:17 AM (kSQK1)

454 As a fellow Virginian, I too fear the state of our Commonwealth. I vacationed this fall in Wyoming and Montana, and if VA goes the way it's heading. the kids and grand kids will have to visit me out west.
In the meantime, I'm practicing the phrase "What guns?" with a straight face.

Posted by: Fellow Virginian at December 16, 2019 04:10 PM (/tdMH)

Processing 0.07, elapsed 0.0866 seconds.
14 queries taking 0.025 seconds, 462 records returned.
Page size 272 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.8 beta.