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LTC Hickman Demolishes Strategic Pastry Repository Alex Vindman
From someone who actually served with Vindman, & is in contact w/many other soldiers who have as well, let me just say wrong on integrity, honor, & patriotism. Vindman's a partisan who made disparaging comments about Americans, & I had to reprimand him for it in 2013. Speaking to those within his Apache Troop/1/2SCR, his command was cut to the minimum for credit, & just prior to deployment for combat, because, according to his NCOs, he lacked the qualities you just mentioned, & leadership. Also, he was the worse commander they've ever served under & a couple of those NCOs are still active duty Soldiers. Not all officers are good, as some slip through the system like Vindman. His career should've ended as a CPT, but he switched from Infantry to functional area FAO & survived. The primary takeaway is Vindman acted out of partisanship by foregoing his chain of command, & leaking to a known partisan Democrat to initiate this impeachment. In the military we resolve things in an apolitical military fashion, through the immediate chain of command, & at the lowest level possible. That he 'perceived' the President's request as a demand is not a fact, nor should his partisan perceptions or opinions matter. Vindman's disagreement with President Trump on foreign policy, is ridiculous on it's face, as @POTUS sets foreign policy, not congress, and certainly not some LTC staff officer. If Vindman testifies before the Senate, I have a feeling more military folks will stand to tell the truth.🇺🇸 #TruthExposed #TruthMattersTrump just gave a short statement to the press from the Cabinet Room, but I haven't found a link to the video yet.
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First!
Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (3sOO0)
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not first
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (q80AH)
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The original headline with "Strategic Pastry Reserve" was funnier. Or at least I thought so.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (ZGrMX)
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Nah, I think I'll stay in bed today.
Posted by: Steiner at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (T6t7i)
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did he scream and leap at rolling pastries?
Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (JMDly)
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It's never too late for Tim Hortons.
Posted by: Lt. Col. Bearclaw at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (vtcmf)
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Two Thumbs Up!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (vEIlU)
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Ah, but everybody you've never heard of on Twitter swears up and down that all the troops love Vindman even though they can't actually describe any.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (RD7QR)
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Gosh a person like that should no longer be working in the NSC
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (MLfDH)
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"If Vindman testifies before the Senate, I have a feeling more military folks will stand to tell the truth."
Therefore, the Senate won't have him testify.
Therefore, the Senate won't have him testify.
Posted by: santan at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (+/dRU)
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I get the feeling that Vindman is not very well liked... He'll fit right into a cushy CNN correspondents job.
Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (3sOO0)
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>>>3 The original headline with "Strategic Pastry Reserve" was funnier. Or at least I thought so.
maybe I'll change it back. I thought "Repository" made more actual sense, because he's not the actual pastry, just the hole we store the pastry in.
maybe I'll change it back. I thought "Repository" made more actual sense, because he's not the actual pastry, just the hole we store the pastry in.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (PbpT7)
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okay I changed it back
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (PbpT7)
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Hang on, everyone, I got this:
*ahem*
"OMG, DOOM DOOM DOOM WHITEWASH, HAIR ON FIRE!
...
...
...
Anyone questioning my pessimism is delusional because only I can see the future. How do I know? Because I looked at the past and concluded that the future must always be the same. That's called "being smart", and if you question it, then you're automatically stupid. That's the way it works."
Ok, now that that's summarized approximately 95% of all comments, you can continue on your merry way.
Look how much time I saved everyone!
*ahem*
"OMG, DOOM DOOM DOOM WHITEWASH, HAIR ON FIRE!
...
...
...
Anyone questioning my pessimism is delusional because only I can see the future. How do I know? Because I looked at the past and concluded that the future must always be the same. That's called "being smart", and if you question it, then you're automatically stupid. That's the way it works."
Ok, now that that's summarized approximately 95% of all comments, you can continue on your merry way.
Look how much time I saved everyone!
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (Hi8cV)
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Pastry reservoir?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (ycWCI)
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Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (cEsBM)
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maybe I'll change it back. I thought "Repository"
made more actual sense, because he's not the actual pastry, just the
hole we store the pastry in.
Posted by: ace
Ah, that makes sense. As in the Texas Schoolbook Repository, which is the only one most people can name.
made more actual sense, because he's not the actual pastry, just the
hole we store the pastry in.
Posted by: ace
Ah, that makes sense. As in the Texas Schoolbook Repository, which is the only one most people can name.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (T6t7i)
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Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
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Vindman and Kerry seem Mohave the same leadership traits.
I wonder if they play cards together on Tuesdays.
I wonder if they play cards together on Tuesdays.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (tT0V4)
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Two dozen crullers a day keep the wingnuts away!
Posted by: Lt. Col. Bearclaw at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (vtcmf)
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Pastry Bank?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ycWCI)
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Mary Poppins Practically Perfect Piercing screamed loud and long that Vindman should not even be at large considering his violation of the UCMJ.
This is a bad fvcking day.
Mary Poppins Practically Perfect Piercing screamed loud and long that Vindman should not even be at large considering his violation of the UCMJ.
This is a bad fvcking day.
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (M9ntN)
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Repository opens up good limerick action too.
Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (JMDly)
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Damned Swiftboaters again.
Posted by: Jean Fraude Kerry at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (l3+k2)
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That's LTC Hover- round to you civilians!
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (gmo/4)
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Vindmann still has a job in the White House.
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (MLfDH)
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Q: How do you describe an apparently shitty commander with a long history of bad behavior who admitted under oath that he attempted to change the transcript?
A: Star Witness
A: Star Witness
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (I2dne)
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Strategic Pastry Reserve Sump Alex Vindman?
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (T6t7i)
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I'd demote him and send him to the front lines in Afghanistan to lead a squad of 1.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (sX1BW)
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They call him that because he weighs as much as a Lincoln Town Car.
They call him that because he weighs as much as a Lincoln Town Car.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (AzW6q)
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suppository makes more sense when speaking about that fat fucking parade float wannabe.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (KP5rU)
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maybe I'll change it back. I thought "Repository" made more actual sense, because he's not the actual pastry, just the hole we store the pastry in.
I beg to differ, cut him and the man bleeds glaze.
I beg to differ, cut him and the man bleeds glaze.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (cGJ7O)
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Wait, I thought it was 'book depository'.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (ycWCI)
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Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
+++++++++++
We need to focus on what's important.
What size is his salt shaker?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
+++++++++++
We need to focus on what's important.
What size is his salt shaker?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (I2dne)
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BuT tRuMp'S BrEaKiNg ThE NoRms~!!!
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (GPz65)
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Vindman, MLRS. Multiple Lunch Raving Seditionist.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (1CjJc)
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LTC hoveround ALWAYS takes the cannoli
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (gmo/4)
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What's FAO? Fucking Asshole, Overweight?
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (Izzlo)
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18 Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
Hopefully he's got something pungent to say about the Horowitz shitshow. Something about suppurating anus sores.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
Hopefully he's got something pungent to say about the Horowitz shitshow. Something about suppurating anus sores.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (T6t7i)
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from the other thread:
In simpler terms, its like when popeye says "I've taken all I can stands, and I can't stands no more. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (9Om/r)
Fourth Turnings don't happen overnight, there's a process. These are political movements of revolution and retrenchment, reconfiguration.
How many times during the Revolutionary War did it look like the Patriots were finished? The American Revolution occurred during a Fourth Turning.
In simpler terms, its like when popeye says "I've taken all I can stands, and I can't stands no more. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (9Om/r)
Fourth Turnings don't happen overnight, there's a process. These are political movements of revolution and retrenchment, reconfiguration.
How many times during the Revolutionary War did it look like the Patriots were finished? The American Revolution occurred during a Fourth Turning.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (DJFLF)
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I'd love to take a bill dookie to this crowd
Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (rpxSz)
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40 33
Wait, I thought it was 'book depository'.
You are correct. I feel foolish.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (T6t7i)
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I thought book suppository.
Wait, I thought it was 'book depository'.
You are correct. I feel foolish.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (T6t7i)
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I thought book suppository.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (q80AH)
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29 I'd demote him and send him to the front lines in Afghanistan to lead a squad of 1.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (sX1BW)
Why not a squad of 2?
He could lead Manning and Bergdahl.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (sX1BW)
Why not a squad of 2?
He could lead Manning and Bergdahl.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (Oq/TM)
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Plus, Vindman was always pushing to the front of the line when danish and czech pastries were brought out, taking the lions share for himself.
Posted by: LTC Hickman at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (q1Pj5)
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I'd demote him and send him to the front lines in Afghanistan to lead a squad of 1.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (sX1BW)
Voted most likely to get fragged.
I'd demote him and send him to the front lines in Afghanistan to lead a squad of 1.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (sX1BW)
Voted most likely to get fragged.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (1CjJc)
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Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
Link?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
Link?
Posted by: Jean Fraude Kerry at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (l3+k2)
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Should be an interesting evening on the chattering shows. Or perhaps not. Too much binge watching to catch up on.
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (7ZQe3)
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Ok, now that that's summarized approximately 95% of all comments, you can continue on your merry way.
See, this is the kind of mockery we get annoyed with. The attempt to portray people who notice that we're being spit on as the bad guy. HOW DARE YOU BE FRUSTRATED AND UPSET AT INJUSTICE!
See, this is the kind of mockery we get annoyed with. The attempt to portray people who notice that we're being spit on as the bad guy. HOW DARE YOU BE FRUSTRATED AND UPSET AT INJUSTICE!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (KZzsI)
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"10 "If Vindman testifies before the Senate, I have a feeling more military folks will stand to tell the truth."
Therefore, the Senate won't have him testify."
Checkmate.
Let's recall the chairs:
Intelligence: Burr.
Judiciary: Graham.
Foreign Relations: Risch.
All Deep Staters, all corrupt. Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff. The other two will fall into line.
Therefore, the Senate won't have him testify."
Checkmate.
Let's recall the chairs:
Intelligence: Burr.
Judiciary: Graham.
Foreign Relations: Risch.
All Deep Staters, all corrupt. Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff. The other two will fall into line.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (rpxSz)
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Chris Wray is part of the problem. Fire his ass.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (NVYyb)
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/off traitor sock
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (l3+k2)
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Why is Vindman allowed to testify, and why in uniform? If he is military, then he needs to shut up about politics, but if he is testifying as a civilian, then lose the uniform. Either way, what he did is against all the rules. He stepped out of chain of command, and attacked his boss's boss. Not cool.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (vVOK2)
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Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
+++++++++++
We need to focus on what's important.
What size is his salt shaker?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (I2dne)
Slightly smaller than yuge.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
+++++++++++
We need to focus on what's important.
What size is his salt shaker?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (I2dne)
Slightly smaller than yuge.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (q1Pj5)
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All Deep Staters, all corrupt. Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff. The other two will fall into line.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (iw59Q)
++++++++++
Burr's been in line for a very long time.
I don't know anything about Risch.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (iw59Q)
++++++++++
Burr's been in line for a very long time.
I don't know anything about Risch.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (I2dne)
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civilians and democrats (BIRM) do not understand the chain of command, how it works, and how going outside of it is simply not tolerated, because it cannot be tolerated.
Posted by: x at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (nFwvY)
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I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
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Let's recall the chairs:
Intelligence: Burr.
Judiciary: Graham.
Foreign Relations: Risch.
All Deep Staters, all corrupt. Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff. The other two will fall into line.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (iw59Q)
Graham sought out the Judiciary Chair. I don't trust him.
Intelligence: Burr.
Judiciary: Graham.
Foreign Relations: Risch.
All Deep Staters, all corrupt. Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff. The other two will fall into line.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (iw59Q)
Graham sought out the Judiciary Chair. I don't trust him.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (1CjJc)
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I'd demote him and send him to the front lines in Afghanistan to lead a squad of 1.
The left has a problem with understanding the right's respect and gratitude toward the military. They cannot understand the individual they only know the collective. So they figure trot out a military guy and we'll all fall down and worship without knowing that many of the people on the right have experience with lousy officers.
Its why nobody was fooled by John "ready to serve" Kerry and his magic hat. He had fraggable awful officer written all over him.
The left has a problem with understanding the right's respect and gratitude toward the military. They cannot understand the individual they only know the collective. So they figure trot out a military guy and we'll all fall down and worship without knowing that many of the people on the right have experience with lousy officers.
Its why nobody was fooled by John "ready to serve" Kerry and his magic hat. He had fraggable awful officer written all over him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (KZzsI)
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58 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
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More than you'd like to think about.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
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More than you'd like to think about.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (RU4sa)
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Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff.
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I had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.
Not one single investigation has been initiated.
He's still a bastard.
Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff.
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I had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.
Not one single investigation has been initiated.
He's still a bastard.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (AzW6q)
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58
I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
It's very difficult to pull a trigger while holding a cruller.
I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
It's very difficult to pull a trigger while holding a cruller.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (T6t7i)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (KZzsI)
oh come on, is this as bad or equally offensive to commenters "prediction-shaming" others by reposting their comment - IN BOLD text?
oh come on, is this as bad or equally offensive to commenters "prediction-shaming" others by reposting their comment - IN BOLD text?
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (DJFLF)
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They aren't getting it that Trump is their last chance. It's going to get very dicey when the ghost of Pinochet shows up.
Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (48RE5)
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Sanders has promised to make me a Jumbo Colonel, should he be elected.
Posted by: Lt. Col. Bearclaw at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (vtcmf)
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I really want a cigarette
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (z6z5Y)
Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (+dsLj)
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I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
Probably not as many as ones that would frag his fat ass.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
Probably not as many as ones that would frag his fat ass.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (9Om/r)
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My young daughter said to me today, "Daddy, if people like Vindman are allowed to continue working in the govt, won't that have a deleterious effect on not only our freedoms but on the constitution and the very nature of man?"
- off parody of some douchbag testifying at today's hearing.
My young daughter said to me today, "Daddy, if people like Vindman are allowed to continue working in the govt, won't that have a deleterious effect on not only our freedoms but on the constitution and the very nature of man?"
- off parody of some douchbag testifying at today's hearing.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (r+sAi)
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It's very difficult to pull a trigger while holding a cruller.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (T6t7i)
+++++++++++++
Not if you hang the cruller from your scope.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (T6t7i)
+++++++++++++
Not if you hang the cruller from your scope.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (I2dne)
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I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
Those guys are staff, not line. They don't work with troops.
There are tons of them about, I'm sure. They get shaken out in a hurry if a shooting war starts.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
Those guys are staff, not line. They don't work with troops.
There are tons of them about, I'm sure. They get shaken out in a hurry if a shooting war starts.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (eoQWY)
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Meh. I don't care about Vindman and I don't care about this douchebag either. Fuck them both.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (wCmLp)
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58: i consider all of them the enemy until i'm proven wrong. so far, i'm right. the military is entirely deep state.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (KP5rU)
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My young daughter said to me today, "Daddy, if people like Vindman are allowed to continue working in the govt, won't that have a deleterious effect on not only our freedoms but on the constitution and the very nature of man?"
- off parody of some douchbag testifying at today's hearing.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (r+sAi)
You forgot the mutual tears at the end.
- off parody of some douchbag testifying at today's hearing.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (r+sAi)
You forgot the mutual tears at the end.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (eoQWY)
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I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
The question isn't how many officers would order men to open fire on rebelling citizens, because the answer is "nearly all of them." They have careers to save, politics to be steeped in, etc.
The question is how many of the men under them would do so, and I fear that answer is "most of them" as well. At least, initially. The British military was largely made up of men who didn't particularly care for the British government, either, and were very sympathetic toward Americans. So much so that they were constantly bleeding deserters.
But they still opened fire and fought when ordered to.
That's why the military takes young people in and does months and years of training to get people to follow orders.
The question isn't how many officers would order men to open fire on rebelling citizens, because the answer is "nearly all of them." They have careers to save, politics to be steeped in, etc.
The question is how many of the men under them would do so, and I fear that answer is "most of them" as well. At least, initially. The British military was largely made up of men who didn't particularly care for the British government, either, and were very sympathetic toward Americans. So much so that they were constantly bleeding deserters.
But they still opened fire and fought when ordered to.
That's why the military takes young people in and does months and years of training to get people to follow orders.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (KZzsI)
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. . . there I was, deep in the shit. . . . so I screamed "Danish" and fell on the deadly pastry to save my buddies. True story.
Posted by: Vindman at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (q1Pj5)
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58 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator
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A valid question.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator
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A valid question.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (prSvo)
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In my recent experience, there are lots of crappy officers and a leadership that was, well, lead by Obammy. Consider the leadership from the top. That's how we get Naval Officers who crash their ships into each other, openly mentally ill folks advocating for government sex change operations while on duty, etc. It will take years to clean up the mess Obammy left in his wake.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (vVOK2)
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I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
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More than you'd like to think about.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (RU4sa)
Sigh. Yup
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
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More than you'd like to think about.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (RU4sa)
Sigh. Yup
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (cEsBM)
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They aren't getting it that Trump is their last chance. It's going to get very dicey when the ghost of Pinochet shows up.
Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (48RE5)
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I have made this point many times myself.
Trump is the moderate choice. He is the guy who wants to work within the system to fix it. He's the guy who respects the balance of power. Trump is not the radical revolutionary. He is not the dictator the statists make him out to be.
But you know who will be? The next guy will be if they keep going down this path.
Trump is their chance at salvation. They're just too corrupt, blind, greedy, power-hungry and stupid to realize it.
Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (48RE5)
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I have made this point many times myself.
Trump is the moderate choice. He is the guy who wants to work within the system to fix it. He's the guy who respects the balance of power. Trump is not the radical revolutionary. He is not the dictator the statists make him out to be.
But you know who will be? The next guy will be if they keep going down this path.
Trump is their chance at salvation. They're just too corrupt, blind, greedy, power-hungry and stupid to realize it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (I2dne)
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is this as bad or equally offensive to commenters "prediction-shaming" others by reposting their comment - IN BOLD text?
I'm not talking about good or bad here, just expressing why people might be so upset and angry as to do that. Frustration, rage, helplessness, watching your country collapse, and then along comes some sneering jackwagon to mock you for it.
I'm not talking about good or bad here, just expressing why people might be so upset and angry as to do that. Frustration, rage, helplessness, watching your country collapse, and then along comes some sneering jackwagon to mock you for it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (KZzsI)
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"Hit him with the proton beams and go ahead and cross the streams" (Venkman)
Posted by: Builder Berg at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (qMnBn)
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More than you'd like to think about.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (RU4sa)
I read all the replies to the question - just didn't feel like pasting them all them all.
I don't know - I've been out a long time. Over twenty years now, and I was just junior enlisted. I have no doubt the composition has changed. When I was in, there were plenty that would do as they were told. All it would take would be the right briefing, to give their little pin-heads the minimum of justification.
Wasn't a whole lot of deep thinking amongst the rank and file in my time. We weren't exactly Constitutional Scholars. But we were extremely proficient at drinking beer.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (RU4sa)
I read all the replies to the question - just didn't feel like pasting them all them all.
I don't know - I've been out a long time. Over twenty years now, and I was just junior enlisted. I have no doubt the composition has changed. When I was in, there were plenty that would do as they were told. All it would take would be the right briefing, to give their little pin-heads the minimum of justification.
Wasn't a whole lot of deep thinking amongst the rank and file in my time. We weren't exactly Constitutional Scholars. But we were extremely proficient at drinking beer.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (UdYkW)
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It will take years to clean up the mess Obammy left in his wake.
Take even longer with a president who doesn't seem to be making it a priority.
Take even longer with a president who doesn't seem to be making it a priority.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:15 PM (KZzsI)
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82 I'm not talking about good or bad here, just expressing why people might be so upset and angry as to do that. Frustration, rage, helplessness, watching your country collapse, and then along comes some sneering jackwagon to mock you for it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (KZzsI)
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It's not like we're talking about anything important here, like Marvel movies.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (KZzsI)
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It's not like we're talking about anything important here, like Marvel movies.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:15 PM (q80AH)
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Strasburg re-upped with the Nationals
245 million
245 million
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)
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Risch seems to be one of the good guys...or he just hides his shit better...
Posted by: Builder Berg at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (qMnBn)
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From last thread: 543 OK. new civil service rule: every government employee is fired when a new administration takes over.
Posted by: x at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (nFwvY)
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Then we only hire back 25% of them. Maybe.
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (v0R5T)
That actually WAS the rule for the first 100 years of this countries existence.
Posted by: x at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (nFwvY)
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Then we only hire back 25% of them. Maybe.
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (v0R5T)
That actually WAS the rule for the first 100 years of this countries existence.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (trdmm)
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Strasburg re-upped with the Nationals
245 million
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)
That's a lot of clams!
245 million
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)
That's a lot of clams!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (q1Pj5)
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Maybe we need more cute baby weasel pictures.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (RD7QR)
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Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.
You really think the deep state and their elected stooges are going to allow their impeachment to be honest?
You really think the deep state and their elected stooges are going to allow their impeachment to be honest?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (vPKfA)
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Carthage comes to mind so frequently lately.
Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (mO8tz)
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Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff.
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I had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.
Not one single investigation has been initiated.
He's still a bastard.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (AzW6q)
And yet I get shat on when I predict nobody will so much as get their hair mussed at the end of it all. At this point, why even bother to have an election next year? Since nobody who is purportedly on "our side" is interesting in stopping the Deep State coup, why go through all the hassle of polling, politicking and voting? Just call up Vindman, Nadler, Pelosi and Graham and say, "Who do you want? Warren, Biden or Buttgargle?"
And while we're at it, let's lay to rest that silliness about the ballot box and the cartridge box, too, since we're too busy clucking over yesterday's Pats game to drag these bastards out by the neck.
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I had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.
Not one single investigation has been initiated.
He's still a bastard.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (AzW6q)
And yet I get shat on when I predict nobody will so much as get their hair mussed at the end of it all. At this point, why even bother to have an election next year? Since nobody who is purportedly on "our side" is interesting in stopping the Deep State coup, why go through all the hassle of polling, politicking and voting? Just call up Vindman, Nadler, Pelosi and Graham and say, "Who do you want? Warren, Biden or Buttgargle?"
And while we're at it, let's lay to rest that silliness about the ballot box and the cartridge box, too, since we're too busy clucking over yesterday's Pats game to drag these bastards out by the neck.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (Ki5SV)
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It will take years to clean up the mess Obammy left in his wake.
Take even longer with a president who doesn't seem to be making it a priority.
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The military should really be shrunk - in terms of manpower. That is how you eliminate these people. Without a real war to fight, they start finding other missions - missions they have no business to take on.
This country has shown an ability to mobilize quickly when necessary.
Take even longer with a president who doesn't seem to be making it a priority.
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The military should really be shrunk - in terms of manpower. That is how you eliminate these people. Without a real war to fight, they start finding other missions - missions they have no business to take on.
This country has shown an ability to mobilize quickly when necessary.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (sX1BW)
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Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (DJFL
Come on. Posting others comments to contradict claim that they were never said is in no way out of bounds.
Come on. Posting others comments to contradict claim that they were never said is in no way out of bounds.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (oiW2a)
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Leftists think they can parade a bunch of military medals in front of conservatives and we'll swoon with admiration, as a sort-of automatic reflex response.
Thus, their greatest dream is a decorated military man who espouses leftist or Deep State narratives. They think that we will internalize those narratives if delivered to us by an Unimpeachable Patriot.
Of course, the left is delusional in this assumption. I think it was John Kerry himself back in '71 who forever obliterated right-wingers' assumption that all soldiers are pro-America. When Kerry accused all his squad members, the military in general and the entire United States as war criminals, and claimed to have thrown his medals over the White House fence, all with a poncy elitest accent, that was it. The enemy can wear an American uniform too, we all realized.
Thus, their greatest dream is a decorated military man who espouses leftist or Deep State narratives. They think that we will internalize those narratives if delivered to us by an Unimpeachable Patriot.
Of course, the left is delusional in this assumption. I think it was John Kerry himself back in '71 who forever obliterated right-wingers' assumption that all soldiers are pro-America. When Kerry accused all his squad members, the military in general and the entire United States as war criminals, and claimed to have thrown his medals over the White House fence, all with a poncy elitest accent, that was it. The enemy can wear an American uniform too, we all realized.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (fK2gX)
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had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.
Isn't Grassley due to take over that committee very soon?
Isn't Grassley due to take over that committee very soon?
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (cfSLd)
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Tie the fat fuck to a pole and use him to sight in mortar rounds.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (dJrqU)
100
... I tried to keep my voice steady, but it became increasingly difficult - the rage and feelings of helplessness were just too much. I think my daughter could tell something was wrong. I found myself at a loss for words - nothing makes sense anymore. I finally had to admit "Honey, I just don't know - I don't know what's going on in this country anymore...."
When I finished, her lower lip started to tremble and her eyes began to fill with tears. "Daddy," she said, "Why is Trump doing this to our country?" Well, that was it for me. I finally fell apart. She just fell into my arms and we both began sobbing for several minutes.
For once, she had to comfort me and get me back on my feet. Sometimes I think it's just too much, but seeing the strength in my daughter's voice helped to get me through.
When I finished, her lower lip started to tremble and her eyes began to fill with tears. "Daddy," she said, "Why is Trump doing this to our country?" Well, that was it for me. I finally fell apart. She just fell into my arms and we both began sobbing for several minutes.
For once, she had to comfort me and get me back on my feet. Sometimes I think it's just too much, but seeing the strength in my daughter's voice helped to get me through.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (cGJ7O)
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Pastry Repository Alex Vindman
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I hope somebody has thanked him for his service today, maybe the clerk at his local bakery?
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I hope somebody has thanked him for his service today, maybe the clerk at his local bakery?
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (v0R5T)
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Maybe we need more cute baby weasel pictures.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (RD7QR)
Ya'll need to fire up a blunt and chill.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (RD7QR)
Ya'll need to fire up a blunt and chill.
Posted by: Vote for Marijuana! at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (88+cf)
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That actually WAS the rule for the first 100 years of this countries existence.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (trdmm)
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The greatest negative consequence of Pendleton.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (trdmm)
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The greatest negative consequence of Pendleton.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)
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elitest = elitist
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:19 PM (fK2gX)
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And while we're at it, let's lay to rest that
silliness about the ballot box and the cartridge box, too, since we're
too busy clucking over yesterday's Pats game to drag these bastards out
by the neck.
Dude, look, I get it - you're upset. But come on, dial it back.
They're still gonna' make the Wild Card. Brady's got a good game or two left in him. There's hope.
silliness about the ballot box and the cartridge box, too, since we're
too busy clucking over yesterday's Pats game to drag these bastards out
by the neck.
Dude, look, I get it - you're upset. But come on, dial it back.
They're still gonna' make the Wild Card. Brady's got a good game or two left in him. There's hope.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:19 PM (UdYkW)
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98 had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.
Isn't Grassley due to take over that committee very soon?
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (cfSLd)
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Next Congress.
Isn't Grassley due to take over that committee very soon?
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (cfSLd)
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Next Congress.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:19 PM (q80AH)
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I linked some i.chzbgr.com in the willow zone last thread.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 03:19 PM (FhXTo)
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willowed
Yeah yeah we just print zillions of $$$ to cover guvamint budgets [and it's no longer even a topic, much less an issue, in the political arena], but the IG budget looks like a source for savings.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (El6T/)
I wish that were true, but IG"s aren't going anywhere. More than likely, if you dig deep for days into one of the millions of regulations propagated by some agency or law that was enacted by Congress, you will find a rule requiring an agency to host and fully fund an IG's office, replete with hundreds of lawyers. It won't be something that Barr, or Manuchin or Wray, or the sec. of Ag can eliminate with a pen, nor can an EO from Trump.
Who do you all think applies to be a "government lawyer"? How do you think they get hired for a particular department in the first place. It's because they knew someone who knew someone and they applied back when a particular party was in control and they were one of the members. And they become buried in the bureaucracy.
Remember the screaming and howls from the jerks at the dept. of AG who refuse to move to where Ag is actually located to do their job? Why do you think that is, LOL. The majority of these people are there to get a paycheck and benefits and have zero interest in the subject of their job.
Also, I highly doubt Horowitz (like Mueller) interviewed and assembled this report all by himself directly. His hundreds of minion lawyers and their legal aids and their assistants are the ones who did this. He just rubber stamped it because he has no ability to actually conduct the thousands of hours of interviews and research on the agency himself. He is simply depending on his staff, many of whom he's probably never met, LOL.
And so we get an HR dictated report. I would suggest you all who are having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)
Yeah yeah we just print zillions of $$$ to cover guvamint budgets [and it's no longer even a topic, much less an issue, in the political arena], but the IG budget looks like a source for savings.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (El6T/)
I wish that were true, but IG"s aren't going anywhere. More than likely, if you dig deep for days into one of the millions of regulations propagated by some agency or law that was enacted by Congress, you will find a rule requiring an agency to host and fully fund an IG's office, replete with hundreds of lawyers. It won't be something that Barr, or Manuchin or Wray, or the sec. of Ag can eliminate with a pen, nor can an EO from Trump.
Who do you all think applies to be a "government lawyer"? How do you think they get hired for a particular department in the first place. It's because they knew someone who knew someone and they applied back when a particular party was in control and they were one of the members. And they become buried in the bureaucracy.
Remember the screaming and howls from the jerks at the dept. of AG who refuse to move to where Ag is actually located to do their job? Why do you think that is, LOL. The majority of these people are there to get a paycheck and benefits and have zero interest in the subject of their job.
Also, I highly doubt Horowitz (like Mueller) interviewed and assembled this report all by himself directly. His hundreds of minion lawyers and their legal aids and their assistants are the ones who did this. He just rubber stamped it because he has no ability to actually conduct the thousands of hours of interviews and research on the agency himself. He is simply depending on his staff, many of whom he's probably never met, LOL.
And so we get an HR dictated report. I would suggest you all who are having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (I3OPu)
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OT: If you search today's report for James "Comey", you'll come up with 0 results.
If, however, you search for "Corney", that is, with an 'r' and an 'n', you'll find him mentioned 149 times.
"You got the wrong guy, Copper!"
If, however, you search for "Corney", that is, with an 'r' and an 'n', you'll find him mentioned 149 times.
"You got the wrong guy, Copper!"
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (cfSLd)
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Tie the fat fuck to a pole and use him to sight in mortar rounds.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (dJrqU)
Press his fat fucking ass into a 16" naval gun and use enough powder to get him sub orbital.
Tie the fat fuck to a pole and use him to sight in mortar rounds.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (dJrqU)
Press his fat fucking ass into a 16" naval gun and use enough powder to get him sub orbital.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (9Om/r)
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The greatest negative consequence of Pendleton.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)
What does an exercise bike have to do with this!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)
What does an exercise bike have to do with this!
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)
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111 The greatest negative consequence of Pendleton.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)
What does an exercise bike have to do with this!
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)
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*points at board with red string*
Everything!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)
What does an exercise bike have to do with this!
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)
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*points at board with red string*
Everything!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (q80AH)
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The greatest negative consequence of Pendleton.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)
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What do high-quality woollen garments have to d with it?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)
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What do high-quality woollen garments have to d with it?
Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (3Z6pZ)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (kw0bd)
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Fat lying partisan fucking Fobbit. He could pass the ACFT if he had someone take it for him.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (8/E19)
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What does an exercise bike have to do with this!
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)
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Misogyny and patriarchy, bro.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)
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Misogyny and patriarchy, bro.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (I2dne)
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92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)
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441 Has Getcha Pull-my-finger come in and spiked the football on how great the IG report is yet?
Posted by: StefanH
No. And MAGA has totally ignored what they wrote Thursday morning.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (7jTtI)
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Willowed.
What?
Posted by: StefanH
No. And MAGA has totally ignored what they wrote Thursday morning.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (7jTtI)
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Willowed.
What?
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (bloh/)
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106. Thats the biggest drawback of the Senate's automatic seniority system. You end up with people who "play ball" with the swamp, and therefore survive and prosper.
No one that is actually in line to chair the Senate Judiciary Committee would actually do anything right now.
No one that is actually in line to chair the Senate Judiciary Committee would actually do anything right now.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (JRaU+)
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Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.
You really think the deep state and their elected stooges are going to allow their impeachment to be honest?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (vPKfA)
Uh, Trump's lawyers get to call witnesses, not the Republicans.
You really think the deep state and their elected stooges are going to allow their impeachment to be honest?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (vPKfA)
Uh, Trump's lawyers get to call witnesses, not the Republicans.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (I3OPu)
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Party time! Just got a letter from Social Security, I am in the money now. I am getting a 1.6% raise in my SS check!
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (JUOKG)
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When I'm President, I'm going to smell you like you've never been smelled before. Gonna smell you like Patton smelled Vicksburg and you know what you're gonna do about it? Nothing, fatty, that's what, if you know what's good for you. Fatty.
Posted by: Old uncle Joe at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (GBBOD)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (Zz0t1)
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117 92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)
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Anyone who will expose the graft on either side. To expose one side is to expose all sides.
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)
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Anyone who will expose the graft on either side. To expose one side is to expose all sides.
Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (G0vdT)
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Party time! Just got a letter from Social Security, I am in the money now. I am getting a 1.6% raise in my SS check!
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You're welcome.
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You're welcome.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (sX1BW)
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I saw Strategic Pastry Repository open for Dredd Zepplin at The Grenada in '92.
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (Zz0t1)
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Vindman is exactly the type of officer who would sashay into son's NCO office and everyone would immediately clam up. "What's everyone talking about?" NCOs: "Oh, nothing. The weather."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (ptqGC)
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120. During an impeachment, the Senate determine who is relevant, and who is not relevant to be called a s a witness.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (JRaU+)
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125 Party time! Just got a letter from Social Security, I am in the money now. I am getting a 1.6% raise in my SS check!
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You're welcome.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (sX1BW)
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I was assured that SS was just us paying into an account for us to use later personally.
Was I misled?
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You're welcome.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (sX1BW)
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I was assured that SS was just us paying into an account for us to use later personally.
Was I misled?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (q80AH)
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92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.
You really think the deep state and their elected stooges are going to allow their impeachment to be honest?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (vPKfA)
One outlet this morning suggested a possible "deal" in the Senate; if McConnell and Graham refrain from calling people like Schiff and Biden as witnesses, then Collins, Murkowski, and Romney will vote anyway McConnell wants them to vote on everything else. I'm guessing Manchin, and maybe Sinema and a few others would be in on that deal also.
You really think the deep state and their elected stooges are going to allow their impeachment to be honest?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (vPKfA)
One outlet this morning suggested a possible "deal" in the Senate; if McConnell and Graham refrain from calling people like Schiff and Biden as witnesses, then Collins, Murkowski, and Romney will vote anyway McConnell wants them to vote on everything else. I'm guessing Manchin, and maybe Sinema and a few others would be in on that deal also.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (trdmm)
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Proposed legislation:
WHEREAS internal controls, processes, procedures and accountability structures have clearly and obviously failed and this failure has been detrimental to the liberties and freedoms of the free citizens of the United States, the US PATRIOT act and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act are hereby repealed.
If any congressman brings that forward, he or she gets the maximum donation from me for the 2020 campaign.
WHEREAS internal controls, processes, procedures and accountability structures have clearly and obviously failed and this failure has been detrimental to the liberties and freedoms of the free citizens of the United States, the US PATRIOT act and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act are hereby repealed.
If any congressman brings that forward, he or she gets the maximum donation from me for the 2020 campaign.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (I2dne)
132
They tried to hide LTC douchebag with the 3rd Infantry Division. But he's such a fat fuck they had to put him up in the stables and everyone knew he wasn't a horse.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (8/E19)
133
Strategic Pastry Receptacle
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (v0R5T)
134
And while we're at it, let's lay to rest that silliness about the ballot box and the cartridge box, too, since we're too busy clucking over yesterday's Pats game to drag these bastards out by the neck.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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We're closer than you think IMO.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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We're closer than you think IMO.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (prSvo)
135
Happy Birfday to you, Mr Scott.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (dJrqU)
136
117
92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)
Witnesses that admit that PDT never asked for quid pro qou, but he used his secret mind rays to make them think they heard it and then testify to that in Schiff 'blanket fort in the cellar of the House but ultimately refute it in cross examination?
92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)
Witnesses that admit that PDT never asked for quid pro qou, but he used his secret mind rays to make them think they heard it and then testify to that in Schiff 'blanket fort in the cellar of the House but ultimately refute it in cross examination?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (ymnmz)
137
You know when you buy a box of donuts at the donut store and by the afternoon the donut box is covered with grease spots? That is how I envision LTC bearclaws closet.
Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (377Zs)
138
I sweat butter and bleed the gravy of heros.
Posted by: Vindman at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (AzW6q)
139
116 What does an exercise bike have to do with this!
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)
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Misogyny and patriarchy, bro.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
The real truth: Feminists hate the Peloton ad because they are simply JEALOUS of how hot the wife is. They also think: I'd kill to look like her, and yet this company is implying that she's not hot enough? You mean -- my striving for hotness will never reach a finish line, that it's always possible to look better? Noooooo!
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)
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Misogyny and patriarchy, bro.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
The real truth: Feminists hate the Peloton ad because they are simply JEALOUS of how hot the wife is. They also think: I'd kill to look like her, and yet this company is implying that she's not hot enough? You mean -- my striving for hotness will never reach a finish line, that it's always possible to look better? Noooooo!
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (fK2gX)
140
I've always wanted secret mind rays. Think of the tail you could pull.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (RD7QR)
141
O5 and below seems okay yet, from what I understand through sources.
And as someone already mentioned, those ring knockers are mostly staff, not line.
O5 and below seems okay yet, from what I understand through sources.
And as someone already mentioned, those ring knockers are mostly staff, not line.
Posted by: Irongrampa at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (KATBx)
142
124 117 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)
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Anyone who will expose the graft on either side. To expose one side is to expose all sides.
Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (G0vdT)
Maybe I'm naiive, but I think/hope Cruz, Josh Hawley and Tom Cotton are the straight shooters in the Senate.
Offhand can't think of anyone else.
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)
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Anyone who will expose the graft on either side. To expose one side is to expose all sides.
Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (G0vdT)
Maybe I'm naiive, but I think/hope Cruz, Josh Hawley and Tom Cotton are the straight shooters in the Senate.
Offhand can't think of anyone else.
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (CmURZ)
143
He sure puts the MF in REMF.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (Z4rgH)
144
Come on. Posting others comments to contradict claim that they were never said is in no way out of bounds.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (oiW2a)
sure, reposting is common. But highlighting in bold is just so in-yo-facey.
Like why should any of us be happy that another one was wrong about this report? Or its outcome? I sure am not dancing on anyone's grave. I thought we were all in this together.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (oiW2a)
sure, reposting is common. But highlighting in bold is just so in-yo-facey.
Like why should any of us be happy that another one was wrong about this report? Or its outcome? I sure am not dancing on anyone's grave. I thought we were all in this together.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (DJFLF)
145
120. During an impeachment, the Senate determine who is relevant, and who is not relevant to be called a s a witness.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (JRaU+)
Do the Democrats have anyone who is relevant to call on?
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (JRaU+)
Do the Democrats have anyone who is relevant to call on?
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (I3OPu)
146
92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
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Sitting Congressmen, Former Senators, and Former Senator offspring.
Its just a coincidence that they are all Democrats.
But to call on our elected representatives, or former colleagues and their cokedup children would be beyond the pale.
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
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Sitting Congressmen, Former Senators, and Former Senator offspring.
Its just a coincidence that they are all Democrats.
But to call on our elected representatives, or former colleagues and their cokedup children would be beyond the pale.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (sX1BW)
147
I'd like to ask a guy who was one of our son's BFFs in the Marines, who's now in the Army at Ranger School, what he thinks of chow thiefs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (ptqGC)
148
The real truth: Feminists hate the Peloton ad because they are simply JEALOUS of how hot the wife is. They also think: I'd kill to look like her, and yet this company is implying that she's not hot enough? You mean -- my striving for hotness will never reach a finish line, that it's always possible to look better? Noooooo!
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (fK2gX)
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Maybe. If her lesbo "wife" had given her one, I doubt we'd have heard an objection.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (fK2gX)
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Maybe. If her lesbo "wife" had given her one, I doubt we'd have heard an objection.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (I2dne)
149
138
I sweat butter and bleed the gravy of heros.
Posted by: Vindman at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (AzW6q)
They said heros, and you thought they were talking sandwiches and signed up twice.
I sweat butter and bleed the gravy of heros.
Posted by: Vindman at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (AzW6q)
They said heros, and you thought they were talking sandwiches and signed up twice.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (1CjJc)
150
Read his fucking Purple Heart citation. Most infantry guys call that "Monday".
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (8/E19)
151
LTC FatBoy could use some remedial PT. I'd love to see some vindictive Spec4 run him through some grass drills, or maybe a 12 mile road march while barking orders at him the whole way.
Flutter kicks in the mud. Shit like that.
LTC FatBoy could use some remedial PT. I'd love to see some vindictive Spec4 run him through some grass drills, or maybe a 12 mile road march while barking orders at him the whole way.
Flutter kicks in the mud. Shit like that.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (kw0bd)
152
140 X Ray specs for the win!
Posted by: rammajamma at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (PQRcz)
153
And so we get an HR dictated report. I would suggest you all who are
having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be
immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work
or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)
People are pissed that the system failed. Less and less people give a shit as time goes on about the intricacies of why failure is built into the system.
The more people having the vapors, the better. This failure has been accepted for far too long, and it won't cure itself.
having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be
immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work
or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)
People are pissed that the system failed. Less and less people give a shit as time goes on about the intricacies of why failure is built into the system.
The more people having the vapors, the better. This failure has been accepted for far too long, and it won't cure itself.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (UdYkW)
154
I bet the rally in Hershey tomorrow is going to be lit...Can't wait to hear that.
Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (CT57M)
155
What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
I'm thinking Gropey Joe and his crackhead spawn. Collegiality of the Senate and all that oligarchical bullshit.
I'm thinking Gropey Joe and his crackhead spawn. Collegiality of the Senate and all that oligarchical bullshit.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (DJFLF)
156
OT: If you search today's report for James "Comey", you'll come up with 0 results.
If, however, you search for "Corney", that is, with an 'r' and an 'n', you'll find him mentioned 149 times.
"You got the wrong guy, Copper!"
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (cfSLd)
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How many times does "Cornhole" appear?
If, however, you search for "Corney", that is, with an 'r' and an 'n', you'll find him mentioned 149 times.
"You got the wrong guy, Copper!"
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (cfSLd)
........
How many times does "Cornhole" appear?
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (v0R5T)
157
154 I bet the rally in Hershey tomorrow is going to be lit...Can't wait to hear that.
Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (CT57M)
Can we make smores out of Sta-Puft self inflating bearclaw Vindbag?
Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (CT57M)
Can we make smores out of Sta-Puft self inflating bearclaw Vindbag?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (zBaqJ)
158
I bet the rally in Hershey tomorrow is going to be lit...Can't wait to hear that.
Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (CT57M)
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Cool nic.
I bet the rally in Hershey tomorrow is going to be lit...Can't wait to hear that.
Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (CT57M)
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Cool nic.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (AzW6q)
159
145. If the Senate does not allow hearsay witnesses, the DEMS will have to produce the whistle blower. I do not believe there are that many actual fact witnesses for the DEMS to call (because Trump did not do anything wrong).
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (JRaU+)
160
I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
He's a total Bolshevik and is probably descended from bolsheviks
How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)
He's a total Bolshevik and is probably descended from bolsheviks
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (U7k5w)
161
I'm waiting for Brian Stelter to comment on his fellow pastry repository.
I'm waiting for Brian Stelter to comment on his fellow pastry repository.
Posted by: Sphynx at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (rXie1)
162
We usually send chow thief's to the CSM. Because he's very understanding and genteel about fat, thieving fobbits.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (8/E19)
163
The Military is just like any other large organization. It contains a low percentage of criminals, traitors, self serving dead weight, imbeciles. That is inevitable. But still, most members are a credit to America and have much reason to be proud of their branch of the service and their personal service to their country. The bad apples usually get their due and do not reflect on the rest. JMHO.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (yfoZs)
164
The real truth: Feminists hate the Peloton ad
because they are simply JEALOUS of how hot the wife is. They also think:
I'd kill to look like her, and yet this company is implying that she's
not hot enough? You mean -- my striving for hotness will never reach a finish line, that it's always possible to look better? Noooooo!
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (fK2gX)
Just like the patriarchy to build a bike that won't take women out of the house no matter how hard the pedal and makes them wear skimpy cloths cause its so hot...like in a kitchen.!!!!!
because they are simply JEALOUS of how hot the wife is. They also think:
I'd kill to look like her, and yet this company is implying that she's
not hot enough? You mean -- my striving for hotness will never reach a finish line, that it's always possible to look better? Noooooo!
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (fK2gX)
Just like the patriarchy to build a bike that won't take women out of the house no matter how hard the pedal and makes them wear skimpy cloths cause its so hot...like in a kitchen.!!!!!
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (ymnmz)
165
"I'm thinking Gropey Joe and his crackhead spawn. Collegiality of the Senate and all that oligarchical bullshit."
YOU SHUT UP YOUR FAT MOUTH, FATTY, AFORE I COME OVER THERE AND GIVE YOU A GOOD SMELLIN'!
YOU SHUT UP YOUR FAT MOUTH, FATTY, AFORE I COME OVER THERE AND GIVE YOU A GOOD SMELLIN'!
Posted by: Old uncle Joe at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (GBBOD)
166
Dems impeachment lawyer basically admits to quid pro quo on the part of Joe Biden-
https://tinyurl.com/qkpshv3
https://tinyurl.com/qkpshv3
Posted by: redridinghood at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (wiXsO)
167
I've always wanted secret mind rays. Think of the tail you could pull.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (RD7QR)
X-ray specs. Whoa!
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (RD7QR)
X-ray specs. Whoa!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (q1Pj5)
168
159 145. If the Senate does not allow hearsay witnesses, the DEMS will have to produce the whistle blower. I do not believe there are that many actual fact witnesses for the DEMS to call (because Trump did not do anything wrong).
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (JRaU+)
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Um, wasn't WB report based on hearsay?
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (JRaU+)
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Um, wasn't WB report based on hearsay?
Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (G0vdT)
169
And so we get an HR dictated report. I would suggest you all who are
having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be
immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work
or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)
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That's not the point. The point isn't the IG's power or lack thereof. The point is a report full of gross malfeasance with a conclusion and recommendations section that boils down to "people really screwed up and the FBI needs better process control and training and to close process gaps."
Even if the IG has no power to actually do anything, he can still call it what it is.
having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be
immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work
or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)
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That's not the point. The point isn't the IG's power or lack thereof. The point is a report full of gross malfeasance with a conclusion and recommendations section that boils down to "people really screwed up and the FBI needs better process control and training and to close process gaps."
Even if the IG has no power to actually do anything, he can still call it what it is.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (I2dne)
170
I'm waiting for Brian Stelter to comment on his fellow pastry repository.
Posted by: Sphynx at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (rXie1)
What does Brian Setzer have to do with anything?
Posted by: Sphynx at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (rXie1)
What does Brian Setzer have to do with anything?
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (Zz0t1)
171
Oh FFS. Witness is blathering about Vindman being a "war hero" to Steve "Chicken Eatin'" Cohen.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (ptqGC)
172
Repository opens up good limerick action too.
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Challenge Accepted - a limerick
The strategic pastry repository
Went to Congress in all of his glory
His fellow soldiers had some class
And told him, 'Shove it up your ass.
Like a secondhand rectal suppository!"
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Challenge Accepted - a limerick
The strategic pastry repository
Went to Congress in all of his glory
His fellow soldiers had some class
And told him, 'Shove it up your ass.
Like a secondhand rectal suppository!"
Posted by: Muldoon at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (m45I2)
173
History is the best predictor.
On the accountable side, we have one Eddie Slovik, shot for desertion WWII.
On the deep state side of history, we have Bowe Bergdahl, Chelsea Manning, Lois Lerner and John Koskinen, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Comey, Baker, Strock, Page, etc.
Enablers: Sessionszzz, Rosenstein, Wray, Horowitz and players to be named later.
Hopes = dashed.
On the accountable side, we have one Eddie Slovik, shot for desertion WWII.
On the deep state side of history, we have Bowe Bergdahl, Chelsea Manning, Lois Lerner and John Koskinen, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Comey, Baker, Strock, Page, etc.
Enablers: Sessionszzz, Rosenstein, Wray, Horowitz and players to be named later.
Hopes = dashed.
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (r28kI)
174
168. The report was, yes. We do not know what the whistelblower knew or did not know, as they did not testify.
Based on only the report, then yes, the whole thing is hearsay.
Based on only the report, then yes, the whole thing is hearsay.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (JRaU+)
175
Leftists think they can parade a bunch of military medals in front of conservatives and we'll swoon with admiration, as a sort-of automatic reflex response.
Thus, their greatest dream is a decorated military man who espouses leftist or Deep State narratives. They think that we will internalize those narratives if delivered to us by an Unimpeachable Patriot.
Of course, the left is delusional in this assumption. I think it was John Kerry himself back in '71 who forever obliterated right-wingers' assumption that all soldiers are pro-America. When Kerry accused all his squad members, the military in general and the entire United States as war criminals, and claimed to have thrown his medals over the White House fence, all with a poncy elitest accent, that was it. The enemy can wear an American uniform too, we all realized.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (fK2gX)
Same thing with the Russia-Russia-Russia. They think we Cold Warriors will just tumble into line, when they were the pinko sympathizers who opposed any resistance to the USSR back in the 70s and 80s.
Thus, their greatest dream is a decorated military man who espouses leftist or Deep State narratives. They think that we will internalize those narratives if delivered to us by an Unimpeachable Patriot.
Of course, the left is delusional in this assumption. I think it was John Kerry himself back in '71 who forever obliterated right-wingers' assumption that all soldiers are pro-America. When Kerry accused all his squad members, the military in general and the entire United States as war criminals, and claimed to have thrown his medals over the White House fence, all with a poncy elitest accent, that was it. The enemy can wear an American uniform too, we all realized.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (fK2gX)
Same thing with the Russia-Russia-Russia. They think we Cold Warriors will just tumble into line, when they were the pinko sympathizers who opposed any resistance to the USSR back in the 70s and 80s.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (eoQWY)
176
145. If the Senate does not allow hearsay witnesses, the DEMS will have to produce the whistle blower. I do not believe there are that many actual fact witnesses for the DEMS to call (because Trump did not do anything wrong).
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I don't think that is the controversial witness.
But I don't think you need to call Biden or his son as a witness.
Their testimony offers nothing.
It is obvious that it was a corrupt arrangement.
In fact, by not talking about it, I think they make it worse.
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I don't think that is the controversial witness.
But I don't think you need to call Biden or his son as a witness.
Their testimony offers nothing.
It is obvious that it was a corrupt arrangement.
In fact, by not talking about it, I think they make it worse.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (sX1BW)
177
I think I've reached a saturation point regarding corruption and disgusting behavior.by the Left. We're asked to endure these endless trials and longueurs awaiting justice and all we get is more grit kicked in our face by gloating Leftists.
Justice delayed is justice denied. Give us justice, somebody.
Justice delayed is justice denied. Give us justice, somebody.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (H8QX8)
178
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (DJFLF)
I get it but I also note that a lot depends on who is getting the in your face. Jackstraw is a good guy and long time poster who is well liked as opposed to , well someone like garrett.
I get it but I also note that a lot depends on who is getting the in your face. Jackstraw is a good guy and long time poster who is well liked as opposed to , well someone like garrett.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (oiW2a)
Posted by: JT at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (arJlL)
180
The majority of citizens are becoming more and more cynical about the system. That kind of erosion of trust in the government and justice system does not heal easily and eventually boils over.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)
181
176. My response was to Jen, regarding any relevant witnesses.
The controversial witnesses are obviously the current and former congress critters and their kin.
The controversial witnesses are obviously the current and former congress critters and their kin.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (JRaU+)
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Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (r28kI)
Lindsey isn't investigating because he's have to take down the McCain Institute and disclose his own role.
Lindsey isn't investigating because he's have to take down the McCain Institute and disclose his own role.
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (U7k5w)
183
Just read Kurt Schlichter's latest and had to love the appearance of the "spud-shaped General Stelter." I was reading it on an airplane and kept trying to hold my chuckles down.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (U7qMl)
184
The Military is just like any other large organization. It contains a low percentage of criminals, traitors, self serving dead weight, imbeciles. That is inevitable. But still, most members are a credit to America and have much reason to be proud of their branch of the service and their personal service to their country. The bad apples usually get their due and do not reflect on the rest. JMHO.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (yfoZs)
Exactly. And much of the political division and PC crap in the Military has less to do with Fredo and more to do with just the basic divisions and the hyjcking of the educational system in this country than anything Fredo did or did not do. As I have said continually here, Fredo or any President has very little to do with the make up of the Officer Corps to well past O-7
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (yfoZs)
Exactly. And much of the political division and PC crap in the Military has less to do with Fredo and more to do with just the basic divisions and the hyjcking of the educational system in this country than anything Fredo did or did not do. As I have said continually here, Fredo or any President has very little to do with the make up of the Officer Corps to well past O-7
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (cEsBM)
185
Is willow up for some purty pichers?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (yfoZs)
186
The IG is giving a nod to 3 fkn years of lies and damage to the country and presidency. Does he comment on McCabe the hardly did anything wrong going on CNN?
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (3Lhlu)
187
Sitting Congressmen, Former Senators, and Former Senator offspring.
Its just a coincidence that they are all Democrats.
But to call on our elected representatives, or former colleagues and their cokedup children would be beyond the pale.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (sX1BW)
Calling Joe Biden and asking him what his punishment was for the quid prop qou he bragged about and having him say "None" would make for a pretty short Senate trial.
Its just a coincidence that they are all Democrats.
But to call on our elected representatives, or former colleagues and their cokedup children would be beyond the pale.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (sX1BW)
Calling Joe Biden and asking him what his punishment was for the quid prop qou he bragged about and having him say "None" would make for a pretty short Senate trial.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (ymnmz)
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Weirder and weirder.
CNBC is implying Steele had the hots for Ivanka, after meeting her in 2006 and staying in touch thereafter, and even hoped to go into business with Trump financial backing after leaving MI6. Instead he ended up being backed by Russians and Ukranians. This guy lives in a dream world.
CNBC is implying Steele had the hots for Ivanka, after meeting her in 2006 and staying in touch thereafter, and even hoped to go into business with Trump financial backing after leaving MI6. Instead he ended up being backed by Russians and Ukranians. This guy lives in a dream world.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (NVYyb)
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171 Oh FFS. Witness is blathering about Vindman being a "war hero" to Steve "Chicken Eatin'" Cohen.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Vindman was a "war hero" the same way that Jimi Hendrix was in the Royal Hussars.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Vindman was a "war hero" the same way that Jimi Hendrix was in the Royal Hussars.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (fK2gX)
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What about all the. Lies and leaks to media? Only slightly naughty?
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (3Lhlu)
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I'd like to ask a guy who was one of our son's BFFs
in the Marines, who's now in the Army at Ranger School, what he thinks
of chow thiefs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (ptqGC)
I'm not a religious man, but if there is a Hell, it is surely not hot enough for the rotten bastard that rat-fucks the MREs.
Stealing chow is one thing. Rat-fucking the MREs is quite another. If Vindman is guilty of that, I'll build the gallows myself.
And I've seen Vindman - I won't go cheap on the lumber bill.
in the Marines, who's now in the Army at Ranger School, what he thinks
of chow thiefs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (ptqGC)
I'm not a religious man, but if there is a Hell, it is surely not hot enough for the rotten bastard that rat-fucks the MREs.
Stealing chow is one thing. Rat-fucking the MREs is quite another. If Vindman is guilty of that, I'll build the gallows myself.
And I've seen Vindman - I won't go cheap on the lumber bill.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (UdYkW)
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What is that in your locker, Private Vindman?
Posted by: Zombie R. Lee Ermey at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (q1Pj5)
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YOU SHUT UP YOUR FAT MOUTH, FATTY, AFORE I COME OVER THERE AND GIVE YOU A GOOD SMELLIN'!
Posted by: Old uncle Joe at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (GBBOD)
Come at me Joe!
Posted by: Old uncle Joe at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (GBBOD)
Come at me Joe!
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (DJFLF)
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The majority of citizens are becoming more and more cynical about the system. That kind of erosion of trust in the government and justice system does not heal easily and eventually boils over.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)
One might even suggest that Russia has an interest in using their Democratic assets to foment just this type of discord.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)
One might even suggest that Russia has an interest in using their Democratic assets to foment just this type of discord.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (cGJ7O)
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The majority of citizens are becoming more and more cynical about the system. That kind of erosion of trust in the government and justice system does not heal easily and eventually boils over.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)
++++++++++++
Yup. People see this crap but it doesn't hit home. Then they get a speeding ticket. Or they (or a friend or loved one) gets railroaded by a corrupt prosecutor (BIRM).
Then the cold anger builds. In their inner monologue, it becomes "law? What law? Ain't no law. Fuck the law."
And eventually that becomes outer monologue.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)
++++++++++++
Yup. People see this crap but it doesn't hit home. Then they get a speeding ticket. Or they (or a friend or loved one) gets railroaded by a corrupt prosecutor (BIRM).
Then the cold anger builds. In their inner monologue, it becomes "law? What law? Ain't no law. Fuck the law."
And eventually that becomes outer monologue.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (I2dne)
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Eek. Xipe!
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (3Lhlu)
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Go Gohmert!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (q1Pj5)
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What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
I'm thinking Gropey Joe and his crackhead spawn. Collegiality of the Senate and all that oligarchical bullshit.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (DJFLF)
Actually, why have Biden appear as a witness or Crackhead Biden? The fact that Trump asked the Ukranian president to determine what happened in the investigation of Burisma and whether Biden and spawn were involved in corruption is why Trump is being impeached( improperly) . There isn't anything to be asked of Biden and Spawn that would refute or support Trump's discussion with the Ukranian president.
Any investigation of the Bidens( which Rudy has done) should be given to Barr for possible prosecution, not the frickin Senate. Even Clinton wasn't prosecuted by the Senate for his actual felony he committed, he was impeached for having committed a possible felony. (lying to a federal grand jury) . He was eventually prosecuted when he was out of office by the Arkansas AG, found guilty, fined and then the Arkansas Bar disbarred him for five years.
So Trump's threats of calling the Bidens as witnesses is unfortunately, one of those things he occasionally does as a threat that has no teeth.
I'm thinking Gropey Joe and his crackhead spawn. Collegiality of the Senate and all that oligarchical bullshit.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (DJFLF)
Actually, why have Biden appear as a witness or Crackhead Biden? The fact that Trump asked the Ukranian president to determine what happened in the investigation of Burisma and whether Biden and spawn were involved in corruption is why Trump is being impeached( improperly) . There isn't anything to be asked of Biden and Spawn that would refute or support Trump's discussion with the Ukranian president.
Any investigation of the Bidens( which Rudy has done) should be given to Barr for possible prosecution, not the frickin Senate. Even Clinton wasn't prosecuted by the Senate for his actual felony he committed, he was impeached for having committed a possible felony. (lying to a federal grand jury) . He was eventually prosecuted when he was out of office by the Arkansas AG, found guilty, fined and then the Arkansas Bar disbarred him for five years.
So Trump's threats of calling the Bidens as witnesses is unfortunately, one of those things he occasionally does as a threat that has no teeth.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (I3OPu)
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YOU SHUT UP YOUR FAT MOUTH, FATTY, AFORE I COME OVER THERE AND GIVE YOU A GOOD SMELLIN'!
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My favorite Biden moment of the past week was when he mentioned that he should have challenged the town hall fat guy to a push up contest during an interview about the exchange.
Um, he did.
Dude is seriously touched.
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My favorite Biden moment of the past week was when he mentioned that he should have challenged the town hall fat guy to a push up contest during an interview about the exchange.
Um, he did.
Dude is seriously touched.
Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (gAMkn)
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I'd like to ask a guy who was one of our son's BFFs in the Marines, who's now in the Army at Ranger School, what he thinks of chow thiefs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (ptqGC)
Not a chow thief, but that got me thinking about one of the guys in my unit who went through Ranger School, talking about one of the other students. The instructors kept seeing him chewing on something, but could never catch him hiding pogy bait. Until they noticed that he was only chewing when he retied his boots.
Turns out that like most of the other guys, he'd use 550 cord for his boot laces, but he pulled out the inner strands and threaded that thin red licorice through the cord sheath.
They dinged him for smuggling pogy bait into the class, but gave him a credit for ingenuity, so it was a wash.
I'd like to ask a guy who was one of our son's BFFs in the Marines, who's now in the Army at Ranger School, what he thinks of chow thiefs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (ptqGC)
Not a chow thief, but that got me thinking about one of the guys in my unit who went through Ranger School, talking about one of the other students. The instructors kept seeing him chewing on something, but could never catch him hiding pogy bait. Until they noticed that he was only chewing when he retied his boots.
Turns out that like most of the other guys, he'd use 550 cord for his boot laces, but he pulled out the inner strands and threaded that thin red licorice through the cord sheath.
They dinged him for smuggling pogy bait into the class, but gave him a credit for ingenuity, so it was a wash.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (kw0bd)
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Same thing with the Russia-Russia-Russia. They think we Cold Warriors will just tumble into line, when they were the pinko sympathizers who opposed any resistance to the USSR back in the 70s and 80s.
Posted by: Oldcat
Oh, of course. The entire purpose and strategy of accusing Trump of being in league with "the Russians" is to trigger our automatic knee-jerk reflex reaction "Russian=Rooskies=commies!" and believe that Trump was a commie. That is the genesis and thrust of the whole hoax.
Posted by: Oldcat
Oh, of course. The entire purpose and strategy of accusing Trump of being in league with "the Russians" is to trigger our automatic knee-jerk reflex reaction "Russian=Rooskies=commies!" and believe that Trump was a commie. That is the genesis and thrust of the whole hoax.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:36 PM (fK2gX)
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GO MERT
Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 03:36 PM (rpxSz)
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The phrase "criminal referral" does not appear in the IG report.
Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 03:36 PM (mdsFe)
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Look how much time I saved everyone!
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (Hi8cV
You don't understand - the wailing, the lighting of the hair, the rage-twitching on the ground - these are some of our sacred traditions. Traditions that must be upheld lest they be lost.
Now, I must go and put on my sackcloth gown, the Despondency Cotillion is tonight.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (Hi8cV
You don't understand - the wailing, the lighting of the hair, the rage-twitching on the ground - these are some of our sacred traditions. Traditions that must be upheld lest they be lost.
Now, I must go and put on my sackcloth gown, the Despondency Cotillion is tonight.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (hLRSq)
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Actually, why have Biden appear as a witness or Crackhead Biden?
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I think it is actually better to not have them appear.
It is so obviously corrupt.
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I think it is actually better to not have them appear.
It is so obviously corrupt.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (sX1BW)
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garrett.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (oiW2a)
It actually was neither of those two. Yes, I can see why someone would want to spike the ball in garrett's face though.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (oiW2a)
It actually was neither of those two. Yes, I can see why someone would want to spike the ball in garrett's face though.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (DJFLF)
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171 Oh FFS. Witness is blathering about Vindman being a "war hero" to Steve "Chicken Eatin'" Cohen.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (ptqGC)
He ain't no Michael Corleone.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (ptqGC)
He ain't no Michael Corleone.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (zBaqJ)
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203 The phrase "criminal referral" does not appear in the IG report.
Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 03:36 PM (mdsFe)
Party at McCabe's place!
Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 03:36 PM (mdsFe)
Party at McCabe's place!
Posted by: Whorowitz at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (U7k5w)
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Louie Gohmert is on fire. Just made a snide reference to Barry and his "I've got a pen and a phone" comment. That that was acting more like a damned "king" than anything Trump has said or done.
Gohmert just said, "I'm scared for my country." Called the hearing a "kangaroo court."
And some ass just said, "Treason is not mentioned in the report." And Gohmert said, "It is in the copy we were given."
Gohmert just said, "I'm scared for my country." Called the hearing a "kangaroo court."
And some ass just said, "Treason is not mentioned in the report." And Gohmert said, "It is in the copy we were given."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (ptqGC)
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The phrase "Epstein killed himself" also does not appear in the IG report.
Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 03:38 PM (mdsFe)
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Now, I must go and put on my sackcloth gown, the Despondency Cotillion is tonight.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (hLRSq)
WHAT??
No one told me. I thought tonite was the Eveningn of the Opening of the Veins.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (hLRSq)
WHAT??
No one told me. I thought tonite was the Eveningn of the Opening of the Veins.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:38 PM (DJFLF)
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Read his fucking Purple Heart citation. Most infantry guys call that "Monday".
Yeah that's the impression I got as well. "I was nicked by a tiny piece of flying debris! Pin the medal to my pillow as I lie in my bed!"
Yeah that's the impression I got as well. "I was nicked by a tiny piece of flying debris! Pin the medal to my pillow as I lie in my bed!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:38 PM (KZzsI)
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Goldman = ass
Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (377Zs)
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I saw Despondency Cotillion open for Burning Hair at the Superdome in '83
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (zBaqJ)
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Why would only part of my post send and not all???
"he was eventually prosecuted when he was out of office by the Arkansas AG and found guilty of lying and fined(no jail time). He was then disbarred by the Arkansas Bar for five years and permanently stripped of his ability to argue in front of the Supreme Court.
"he was eventually prosecuted when he was out of office by the Arkansas AG and found guilty of lying and fined(no jail time). He was then disbarred by the Arkansas Bar for five years and permanently stripped of his ability to argue in front of the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (I3OPu)
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I am a hero and so is Rosenstein.
Posted by: Whorowitz at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (U7k5w)
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206
garrett.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (oiW2a)
It actually was neither of those two. Yes, I can see why someone would want to spike the ball in garrett's face though.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (DJFLF)
Easy, unless you are joking. Garrett is not here to return the spike into your faces.
garrett.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (oiW2a)
It actually was neither of those two. Yes, I can see why someone would want to spike the ball in garrett's face though.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (DJFLF)
Easy, unless you are joking. Garrett is not here to return the spike into your faces.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)
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The majority of citizens are becoming more and more cynical about the system. That kind of erosion of trust in the government and justice system does not heal easily and eventually boils over.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)
++++++++++++
Yup. People see this crap but it doesn't hit home. Then they get a speeding ticket. Or they (or a friend or loved one) gets railroaded by a corrupt prosecutor (BIRM).
Then the cold anger builds. In their inner monologue, it becomes "law? What law? Ain't no law. Fuck the law."
And eventually that becomes outer monologue.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (I2dne)
The DeepState dooshbags keep forgetting that this same principle applies on the Left as well as the Right. That's why Bernie has been viable as a candidate, he and Trump are both symptoms of the same cynicism against the government and the major political party elites, although they approach that cynicism from different perspectives.
The majority of citizens are becoming more and more cynical about the system. That kind of erosion of trust in the government and justice system does not heal easily and eventually boils over.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)
++++++++++++
Yup. People see this crap but it doesn't hit home. Then they get a speeding ticket. Or they (or a friend or loved one) gets railroaded by a corrupt prosecutor (BIRM).
Then the cold anger builds. In their inner monologue, it becomes "law? What law? Ain't no law. Fuck the law."
And eventually that becomes outer monologue.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (I2dne)
The DeepState dooshbags keep forgetting that this same principle applies on the Left as well as the Right. That's why Bernie has been viable as a candidate, he and Trump are both symptoms of the same cynicism against the government and the major political party elites, although they approach that cynicism from different perspectives.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (kw0bd)
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So, LTC Sta-Puft's Purple Heart is right up there with John F'in Kerry's "Shot myself in the ass" PH?
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (U7qMl)
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Gah. Hank Johnson is yakking. He actually sounds borderline "special."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (ptqGC)
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to be fair kallisto, the realists have gotten alot of "if only someone told you" spiked balls in our face the last 2 years.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (r+sAi)
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They dinged him for smuggling pogy bait into the class, but gave him a credit for ingenuity, so it was a wash.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (kw0bd)
When I went in, nothing worried me more than the stereotypes of bad food in the Army. At least during my time, '90 - '96, that was not the case. I never went hungry, and ate quite a bit that I liked. No complaints.
But damn, they just about killed me on sleep. I could never get enough. I grew late, and am convinced I would be at least a couple inches taller if it wasn't for boot camp.
On the plus side, I can sleep on command now. I think because I'm still fucking tired from twenty years ago.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (kw0bd)
When I went in, nothing worried me more than the stereotypes of bad food in the Army. At least during my time, '90 - '96, that was not the case. I never went hungry, and ate quite a bit that I liked. No complaints.
But damn, they just about killed me on sleep. I could never get enough. I grew late, and am convinced I would be at least a couple inches taller if it wasn't for boot camp.
On the plus side, I can sleep on command now. I think because I'm still fucking tired from twenty years ago.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (UdYkW)
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I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
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The thing is, I think the left understands the rage out there and fears people acting on it. They're just sure that if they can just get power again, they can make all the bad go away and fix it all because they're smart enough, they're good enough, and gosh darn it, people like them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (KZzsI)
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I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
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I think it is true, but would not say with certainty.
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I think it is true, but would not say with certainty.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (sX1BW)
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221 Gah. Hank Johnson is yakking. He actually sounds borderline "special."
We must impeach or Guam will tip over.
We must impeach or Guam will tip over.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (U7qMl)
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The DeepState dooshbags keep forgetting that this same principle applies on the Left as well as the Right. That's why Bernie has been viable as a candidate, he and Trump are both symptoms of the same cynicism against the government and the major political party elites, although they approach that cynicism from different perspectives.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (kw0bd)
+++++++++++
Yes. From one standpoint - the "fuck off and die, government pig" anti-establishment one - Trump and Sanders are the same person.
Trump thinks the answer is classic American values and disengaging from globalism. Bernie thinks the answer is communism.
Very big difference on prescription, but the underlying phenomenon is the same.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (kw0bd)
+++++++++++
Yes. From one standpoint - the "fuck off and die, government pig" anti-establishment one - Trump and Sanders are the same person.
Trump thinks the answer is classic American values and disengaging from globalism. Bernie thinks the answer is communism.
Very big difference on prescription, but the underlying phenomenon is the same.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (I2dne)
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I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
Yup
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
Yup
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (cEsBM)
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Ok, I"m leaving. The hamsters put the rest of my post back onto my original post...
like it partially fell out of the bag they were carrying and they went back and got it and put the letters up.
like it partially fell out of the bag they were carrying and they went back and got it and put the letters up.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I3OPu)
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I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
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I think they used those up in the Gulf War, but they might still be using new old stock.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
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I think they used those up in the Gulf War, but they might still be using new old stock.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I2dne)
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So Trump's threats of calling the Bidens as
witnesses is unfortunately, one of those things he occasionally does as a
threat that has no teeth.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (I3OPu)
His threats are likely a tactical maneuver, as well as him believing this action can be taken. It's his big fat FU to all y'all deep state bitches. He's not backing down and also has the goods on their perfidy. And his attitude is reaping results in regards to his approval rating. Why are his numbers going up? Because nobody likes a loser, and Trump is behaving like a winner. A fighting, balls to the wall, unafraid, courageous WINNER.
witnesses is unfortunately, one of those things he occasionally does as a
threat that has no teeth.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (I3OPu)
His threats are likely a tactical maneuver, as well as him believing this action can be taken. It's his big fat FU to all y'all deep state bitches. He's not backing down and also has the goods on their perfidy. And his attitude is reaping results in regards to his approval rating. Why are his numbers going up? Because nobody likes a loser, and Trump is behaving like a winner. A fighting, balls to the wall, unafraid, courageous WINNER.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (DJFLF)
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224
I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
Sounds like that may very well be the case. My poor uncle earned his the hard way. Posthumously.
I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
Sounds like that may very well be the case. My poor uncle earned his the hard way. Posthumously.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (zBaqJ)
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Brian Cates is still holding to his idea that the IG report was damning to the deep state and outlined a coup. What kind of shit is he smoking?
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (U7k5w)
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On the plus side, I can sleep on command now. I think because I'm still fucking tired from twenty years ago.
One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position, whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.
One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position, whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
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Trump thinks the answer is classic American values and disengaging from globalism. Bernie thinks the answer is communism.
Very big difference on prescription, but the underlying phenomenon is the same.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (I2dne)
'zactly.
Trump thinks the answer is classic American values and disengaging from globalism. Bernie thinks the answer is communism.
Very big difference on prescription, but the underlying phenomenon is the same.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (I2dne)
'zactly.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (kw0bd)
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Cates "knows what's going on" and everyone else is delusional.
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (U7k5w)
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I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
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Yup. Same with body bags. Untill very recently, if i recall.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
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Yup. Same with body bags. Untill very recently, if i recall.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (8XRCm)
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I think they used those up in the Gulf War, but they might still be using new old stock.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I2dne)
Nope. Came no where near to using them up
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I2dne)
Nope. Came no where near to using them up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (cEsBM)
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The DeepState dooshbags keep forgetting that this same principle applies on the Left as well as the Right. That's why Bernie has been viable as a candidate, he and Trump are both symptoms of the same cynicism against the government and the major political party elites, although they approach that cynicism from different perspectives.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (kw0bd)
I watch quite a bit of the Jimmy Dore show on Youtube - it is like a mirror of a conservative show for motives, but the hatred and contempt of the Mainstream Dems is similar....and the reporters they have on are actually investigating things.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (kw0bd)
I watch quite a bit of the Jimmy Dore show on Youtube - it is like a mirror of a conservative show for motives, but the hatred and contempt of the Mainstream Dems is similar....and the reporters they have on are actually investigating things.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (eoQWY)
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Brian Cates is still holding to his idea that the IG report was damning to the deep state and outlined a coup.
What I've seen is pretty damning, the problem is that its also exonerating. It tries to have things both ways: here's what they did wrong but gosh they didn't mean to. Yes, the were surveiling the Trump campaign out of political animus but also because they were just so afraid bad things were happening.
What I've seen is pretty damning, the problem is that its also exonerating. It tries to have things both ways: here's what they did wrong but gosh they didn't mean to. Yes, the were surveiling the Trump campaign out of political animus but also because they were just so afraid bad things were happening.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (KZzsI)
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Nope. Came no where near to using them up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (cEsBM)
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Thank G-d for atomic bombs and blockade.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (cEsBM)
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Thank G-d for atomic bombs and blockade.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)
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Brian Cates is still holding to his idea that the IG report was damning to the deep state and outlined a coup. What kind of shit is he smoking?
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (U7k5w)
It did. The IG concluded nothing much should be done about it though....
Why Barr is saying the IG can't do anything but he can.
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (U7k5w)
It did. The IG concluded nothing much should be done about it though....
Why Barr is saying the IG can't do anything but he can.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I3OPu)
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Yup. Same with body bags. Untill very recently, if i recall.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (8XRCm)
They did not use up the body bags, but time and poor storage required new ones
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (8XRCm)
They did not use up the body bags, but time and poor storage required new ones
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (cEsBM)
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The thing is, I think the left understands the rage
out there and fears people acting on it. They're just sure that if they
can just get power again, they can make all the bad go away and fix it
all because they're smart enough, they're good enough, and gosh darn it,
people like them.
Nope. Nada. Nyet. Chris - on this - you are simply wrong.
The Left doesn't fear anything except guns in the hands of Citizens. This is true of the rank and file as well as the leadership. As they see it, the privately owned gun is the only lever of power they don't completely control. It's why they hate it so damn much. And that hatred is mostly instinctual - because they really can't completely visualize what it's widespread use would look like.
And they don't give a flying fuck if they're liked. They intend on being obeyed.
out there and fears people acting on it. They're just sure that if they
can just get power again, they can make all the bad go away and fix it
all because they're smart enough, they're good enough, and gosh darn it,
people like them.
Nope. Nada. Nyet. Chris - on this - you are simply wrong.
The Left doesn't fear anything except guns in the hands of Citizens. This is true of the rank and file as well as the leadership. As they see it, the privately owned gun is the only lever of power they don't completely control. It's why they hate it so damn much. And that hatred is mostly instinctual - because they really can't completely visualize what it's widespread use would look like.
And they don't give a flying fuck if they're liked. They intend on being obeyed.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (UdYkW)
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221 Gah. Hank Johnson is yakking. He actually sounds borderline "special."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (ptqGC)
The more people see the Democrats in action, the better it gets - for unintended comedy.
221 Gah. Hank Johnson is yakking. He actually sounds borderline "special."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (ptqGC)
The more people see the Democrats in action, the better it gets - for unintended comedy.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (hLRSq)
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Why Barr is saying the IG can't do anything but he can.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I3OPu)
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I hope he actually freaking does it.
Also, that presupposes that the IG wanted to do something about it. He didn't. I know he *can't* but he could have made referrals and called it what it is.
He chose not to.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I3OPu)
++++++++++++++
I hope he actually freaking does it.
Also, that presupposes that the IG wanted to do something about it. He didn't. I know he *can't* but he could have made referrals and called it what it is.
He chose not to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)
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But I don't think you need to call Biden or his son as a witness.
Their testimony offers nothing.
It is obvious that it was a corrupt arrangement.
In fact, by not talking about it, I think they make it worse.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM
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I disagree. biden is an actual material witness in this case. He claimed that he did the exact same thing the democrats are accusing Trump of doing and it's on video.
He needs to be put on the spot under oath and questioned about his bragging about withholding US aid until the prosecutor investigating his son got fired.
Their testimony offers nothing.
It is obvious that it was a corrupt arrangement.
In fact, by not talking about it, I think they make it worse.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM
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I disagree. biden is an actual material witness in this case. He claimed that he did the exact same thing the democrats are accusing Trump of doing and it's on video.
He needs to be put on the spot under oath and questioned about his bragging about withholding US aid until the prosecutor investigating his son got fired.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (JUOKG)
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Thank G-d for atomic bombs and blockade.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)
Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)
Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
250
I watch quite a bit of the Jimmy Dore show on Youtube - it is like a mirror of a conservative show for motives, but the hatred and contempt of the Mainstream Dems is similar....and the reporters they have on are actually investigating things.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (eoQWY)
I watch him too. He's about the only liberal I can watch.
Pretty funny, he likes Tucker Carlson, and while I disagree with 90% of his politics I do like the way he goes after the Left like we go after our "side" here.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (eoQWY)
I watch him too. He's about the only liberal I can watch.
Pretty funny, he likes Tucker Carlson, and while I disagree with 90% of his politics I do like the way he goes after the Left like we go after our "side" here.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (U7qMl)
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In 2015 most of us didn't know the deep state existed.
I was one of those willing to push for GOP as a better alternative to Dem.
I admit it is possible (or probable) that no one is punished at all for a naked attempted coup.
One year from now we might be screaming about an obviously fixed election.
But at least we now know. Whether or not the citizens find a way to take back the republic is to be seen. But the masks are off and we know that they are corrupt and intending is to be their serfs.
That will be Trump's biggest legacy I think.
I was one of those willing to push for GOP as a better alternative to Dem.
I admit it is possible (or probable) that no one is punished at all for a naked attempted coup.
One year from now we might be screaming about an obviously fixed election.
But at least we now know. Whether or not the citizens find a way to take back the republic is to be seen. But the masks are off and we know that they are corrupt and intending is to be their serfs.
That will be Trump's biggest legacy I think.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (gVkxx)
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249 Thank G-d for atomic bombs and blockade.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)
Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
Ditto.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)
Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
Ditto.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (zBaqJ)
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Yup. Same with body bags. Untill very recently, if i recall.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (8XRCm)
They did not use up the body bags, but time and poor storage required new ones
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (cEsBM)
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I stand corrected.
How about amalgam??
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (8XRCm)
They did not use up the body bags, but time and poor storage required new ones
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (cEsBM)
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I stand corrected.
How about amalgam??
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (8XRCm)
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The Left doesn't fear anything except guns in the hands of Citizens.
And that's what they're trying to get ahead of. They think if only they can get back in power, they can fix it all and make all that go away. They know people are angry. The know there's real danger ahead. They just think they are outrunning the fuse.
And that's what they're trying to get ahead of. They think if only they can get back in power, they can fix it all and make all that go away. They know people are angry. The know there's real danger ahead. They just think they are outrunning the fuse.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (KZzsI)
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Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
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Maybe me, maybe not. My grandfather was badly wounded but still in service as a quartermaster.
But there are many *many* people who would never had been.
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
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Maybe me, maybe not. My grandfather was badly wounded but still in service as a quartermaster.
But there are many *many* people who would never had been.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (I2dne)
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Ditto.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (zBaqJ)
Yes. I'm glad Truman made the decision he did
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (zBaqJ)
Yes. I'm glad Truman made the decision he did
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Irongrampa at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (KATBx)
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I think that both parties will be unrecognizable in another ten years, if they even still exist. Everyone hates them and everything they stand for. The Uniparty controls everything for now, but the reaper spares no one, and as these dessicated old monkey skeletons all meet the cold embrace of the grave, they will be replaced by hardline communist radicals and nationalist populists.
I think that both parties will be unrecognizable in another ten years, if they even still exist. Everyone hates them and everything they stand for. The Uniparty controls everything for now, but the reaper spares no one, and as these dessicated old monkey skeletons all meet the cold embrace of the grave, they will be replaced by hardline communist radicals and nationalist populists.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (AzW6q)
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I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
That is true. They had something like a million Purple Hearts and 500,000 body bags ordered. Olympic and Coronet would have been bloody like nothing ever in human history.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
That is true. They had something like a million Purple Hearts and 500,000 body bags ordered. Olympic and Coronet would have been bloody like nothing ever in human history.
Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (U7voe)
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One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is
that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position,
whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need
to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
Yup.'Someone wakeup Hicks.' - Sgt Apone
'Wakeup Gordo, let's light this candle.' - CAPCOM Grissom
that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position,
whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need
to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
Yup.'Someone wakeup Hicks.' - Sgt Apone
'Wakeup Gordo, let's light this candle.' - CAPCOM Grissom
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (q1Pj5)
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learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
My brother did counter intelligence and had a badge. When he retired from the army the badge was retired with him. He has it, it has a number engraved into it along with the words "War Department".
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
My brother did counter intelligence and had a badge. When he retired from the army the badge was retired with him. He has it, it has a number engraved into it along with the words "War Department".
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (hLRSq)
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I think they used those up in the Gulf War, but they might still be using new old stock.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I2dne)
Nope. Came no where near to using them up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM
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I believe there a couple of hundred thousand left. The US expected the casualties resulting from an invasion of Japan to be over a half a million KIA, wounded and missing. The had that many purple hearts made ahead of time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I2dne)
Nope. Came no where near to using them up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM
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I believe there a couple of hundred thousand left. The US expected the casualties resulting from an invasion of Japan to be over a half a million KIA, wounded and missing. The had that many purple hearts made ahead of time.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (JUOKG)
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Latest example of the Principle Dems-don't-use-words-too-good is what I overheard at the hearing.
They have repeatedly said that they have a case of the president doing "this" for "personal gain".
Let's be straight. Ignoring which way the bribery is supposed to go for HC&M (it should be *to* an official), they argued that Trump "bribed" Zelensky--that is *spent* money--of course it was money that was already cleared and supposed to go sooner, but they wanted to use the word "bribe".
And then if we look at what is face implication, is that he wanted to dig up "dirt" on Biden to get re-elected. But "this" is the incident they have him on--they don't have any other incident. If we talk about re-election as a "personal gain" then there is a lot of that out there that we've been forgiving because they were just trying to get re-elected.
So "personal gain" (which I get they believe) is another chapter in Dem-don't-use-words-too-good.
They have repeatedly said that they have a case of the president doing "this" for "personal gain".
Let's be straight. Ignoring which way the bribery is supposed to go for HC&M (it should be *to* an official), they argued that Trump "bribed" Zelensky--that is *spent* money--of course it was money that was already cleared and supposed to go sooner, but they wanted to use the word "bribe".
And then if we look at what is face implication, is that he wanted to dig up "dirt" on Biden to get re-elected. But "this" is the incident they have him on--they don't have any other incident. If we talk about re-election as a "personal gain" then there is a lot of that out there that we've been forgiving because they were just trying to get re-elected.
So "personal gain" (which I get they believe) is another chapter in Dem-don't-use-words-too-good.
Posted by: Axeman at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (YOhRS)
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I disagree. biden is an actual material witness in this case. He claimed that he did the exact same thing the democrats are accusing Trump of doing and it's on video.
He needs to be put on the spot under oath and questioned about his bragging about withholding US aid until the prosecutor investigating his son got fired.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (JUOKG)
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Its not only that...... but the claim is Biden wasnt corrupt.
If he WAS corrupt.... that would make Trumps request for an investigation in corruption PROPER, ergo..... NO FUCKING IMPEACHMENT.
He needs to be put on the spot under oath and questioned about his bragging about withholding US aid until the prosecutor investigating his son got fired.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (JUOKG)
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Its not only that...... but the claim is Biden wasnt corrupt.
If he WAS corrupt.... that would make Trumps request for an investigation in corruption PROPER, ergo..... NO FUCKING IMPEACHMENT.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (8XRCm)
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Also, that presupposes that the IG wanted to do something about it. He didn't. I know he *can't* but he could have made referrals and called it what it is.
He chose not to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)
He went with Wind driven Snow White in a nice semi-gloss
He chose not to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)
He went with Wind driven Snow White in a nice semi-gloss
Posted by: Ask Sherwin Williams at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (U7k5w)
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258 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (AzW6q)
The GOP cannot exist with a base fully awakened to the likes of Pee-Air Defecto, the Koch Brother and Paul Singer, etc.
It either goes the way of the Whigs or just gets subsumed by the Democrats. Both will never allow a real party based on the Trump doctrine to ever form if they can help it.
The GOP cannot exist with a base fully awakened to the likes of Pee-Air Defecto, the Koch Brother and Paul Singer, etc.
It either goes the way of the Whigs or just gets subsumed by the Democrats. Both will never allow a real party based on the Trump doctrine to ever form if they can help it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (zBaqJ)
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The thing is, I think the left understands the rage out there and fears people acting on it. They're just sure that if they can just get power again, they can make all the bad go away and fix it all because they're smart enough, they're good enough, and gosh darn it, people like them.
The Left is perfectly safe, based on the circular firing squad that's been going on all day here. Nobody wants to punish Comey, but lots of people want to punish MAGA or JackStraw or apparently now garrett.
The Left is perfectly safe, based on the circular firing squad that's been going on all day here. Nobody wants to punish Comey, but lots of people want to punish MAGA or JackStraw or apparently now garrett.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (ZGrMX)
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I think that both parties will be unrecognizable in another ten years,
if they even still exist. Everyone hates them and everything they stand
for.
My buddy and I were just discussing this. We're of the opinion that the Republic will only survivie if a new coatlition of centrist dems and GOP types forms - with a foundational constitutional/populist platform.
if they even still exist. Everyone hates them and everything they stand
for.
My buddy and I were just discussing this. We're of the opinion that the Republic will only survivie if a new coatlition of centrist dems and GOP types forms - with a foundational constitutional/populist platform.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (DJFLF)
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I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
Even in my younger, mind of mush days, I never doubted the wisdom of dropping those bombs. Minimum of 100K casualties ? No.
Truman got it right.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
Even in my younger, mind of mush days, I never doubted the wisdom of dropping those bombs. Minimum of 100K casualties ? No.
Truman got it right.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (UdYkW)
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Nope. Nada. Nyet. Chris - on this - you are simply wrong.
The Left doesn't fear anything except guns in the hands of Citizens. This is true of the rank and file as well as the leadership. As they see it, the privately owned gun is the only lever of power they don't completely control. It's why they hate it so damn much. And that hatred is mostly instinctual - because they really can't completely visualize what it's widespread use would look like.
And they don't give a flying fuck if they're liked. They intend on being obeyed.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (UdYkW)
I disagree.
They hate being ignored and they have being laughed at just as much as the fear guns in our hands.
That's why they try and silence the means we use to talk to each other outside of their filters and why they infiltrate things normal people like and try and break them down or just break them.
They need us to admit that we need them, but we don't.
The Left doesn't fear anything except guns in the hands of Citizens. This is true of the rank and file as well as the leadership. As they see it, the privately owned gun is the only lever of power they don't completely control. It's why they hate it so damn much. And that hatred is mostly instinctual - because they really can't completely visualize what it's widespread use would look like.
And they don't give a flying fuck if they're liked. They intend on being obeyed.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (UdYkW)
I disagree.
They hate being ignored and they have being laughed at just as much as the fear guns in our hands.
That's why they try and silence the means we use to talk to each other outside of their filters and why they infiltrate things normal people like and try and break them down or just break them.
They need us to admit that we need them, but we don't.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (eoQWY)
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On the plus side, I can sleep on command now. I think because I'm still fucking tired from twenty years ago.
One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position, whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
Yup. I practically trained myself to sleep while driving....
On the plus side, it gave birth to some fun pranks. Sleeping while marching through the woods is actually quite possible. And on nights with a new moon, you can't see diddly squat in front of you, so you were issued those tiny little chemlights to stick in your helmet band (because the glow eyes on the camo band didn't have enough light to work).
It was fun to take your helmet off and walk it down to knee level and back again, and have the guy behind you trip up because his feet were looking for the hole you'd walked through. Or better yet, take off your helmet and walk it into a tree, and then cover the lights.
If you were awake, you didn't fall for those tricks. But if you were dozing while marching....
On the plus side, I can sleep on command now. I think because I'm still fucking tired from twenty years ago.
One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position, whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
Yup. I practically trained myself to sleep while driving....
On the plus side, it gave birth to some fun pranks. Sleeping while marching through the woods is actually quite possible. And on nights with a new moon, you can't see diddly squat in front of you, so you were issued those tiny little chemlights to stick in your helmet band (because the glow eyes on the camo band didn't have enough light to work).
It was fun to take your helmet off and walk it down to knee level and back again, and have the guy behind you trip up because his feet were looking for the hole you'd walked through. Or better yet, take off your helmet and walk it into a tree, and then cover the lights.
If you were awake, you didn't fall for those tricks. But if you were dozing while marching....
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (kw0bd)
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That is true. They had something like a million Purple Hearts and 500,000 body bags ordered. Olympic and Coronet would have been bloody like nothing ever in human history.
Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (U7voe)
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And the Japanese might have been destroyed by it. Like "no longer enough of them to have a functioning culture" destroyed.
I suspect it wouldn't have gotten that far. Japan was desperate beyond belief due to blockade. It is possible that they would have capitulated fairly quickly after we landed on Honshu. They were very weak.
But looking at an atomic bomb versus *that* gamble and the scores of people dying every day due to random fire and operational losses?
No bid. Drop the big one.
Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (U7voe)
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And the Japanese might have been destroyed by it. Like "no longer enough of them to have a functioning culture" destroyed.
I suspect it wouldn't have gotten that far. Japan was desperate beyond belief due to blockade. It is possible that they would have capitulated fairly quickly after we landed on Honshu. They were very weak.
But looking at an atomic bomb versus *that* gamble and the scores of people dying every day due to random fire and operational losses?
No bid. Drop the big one.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (I2dne)
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Even in my younger, mind of mush days, I never doubted the wisdom of dropping those bombs. Minimum of 100K casualties ? No.
Truman got it right.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (UdYkW)
Pope Frankie disagrees.
Truman got it right.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (UdYkW)
Pope Frankie disagrees.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (ptqGC)
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The know there's real danger ahead. They just think they are outrunning the fuse.
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The left think's its a Sooper Genius.
Really, the left is Wile E. Coyote.
We're just hoping not to be standing too close when the Jet Pack explodes.
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The left think's its a Sooper Genius.
Really, the left is Wile E. Coyote.
We're just hoping not to be standing too close when the Jet Pack explodes.
Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (C6xeQ)
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Will Trump clean house from top to bottom?
We know Vindman isn't the only Team Coup POS in the WH/Nat Security ranks.
We know Vindman isn't the only Team Coup POS in the WH/Nat Security ranks.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (bDqIh)
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Dem genius recently just suggested that crime in your country is the "type of thing" for which you remove your chief prosecutor.
Whole lot of blue cities need to remove their corrupt, Soros-paid, DAs.
Whole lot of blue cities need to remove their corrupt, Soros-paid, DAs.
Posted by: Axeman at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (YOhRS)
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Sean Davis currently kicking James Comey's sorry ass from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other, right in front of his former colleagues at the formerly respected FBI
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (NVYyb)
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Brian Cates is still holding to his idea that the IG report was damning
to the deep state and outlined a coup. What kind of shit is he smoking?
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (U7k5w)
It did. The IG concluded nothing much should be done about it though....
Why Barr is saying the IG can't do anything but he can.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I3OPu)
So let me get this straight....the IG report pretty much says that everything the FISA application was built on was bullshit and the FBI drones all fell for the lies that some un named black hats fed them, so they should not be held in legal jeopardy cause they are stupid and fell for it.............but the IG report seems to be silent on the fact that once the good hearted retards figured out is was all bullshit why didn't they go all medieval on those asses who lied to them and besmirched their boy/girl scout reputations and made the look all tarded?
Cause the Peepo under scrutiny here don't look at all upset "someone" made asses out of them.
Brian Cates is still holding to his idea that the IG report was damning
to the deep state and outlined a coup. What kind of shit is he smoking?
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (U7k5w)
It did. The IG concluded nothing much should be done about it though....
Why Barr is saying the IG can't do anything but he can.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I3OPu)
So let me get this straight....the IG report pretty much says that everything the FISA application was built on was bullshit and the FBI drones all fell for the lies that some un named black hats fed them, so they should not be held in legal jeopardy cause they are stupid and fell for it.............but the IG report seems to be silent on the fact that once the good hearted retards figured out is was all bullshit why didn't they go all medieval on those asses who lied to them and besmirched their boy/girl scout reputations and made the look all tarded?
Cause the Peepo under scrutiny here don't look at all upset "someone" made asses out of them.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (ymnmz)
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I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
Even in my younger, mind of mush days, I never doubted the wisdom of dropping those bombs. Minimum of 100K casualties ? No.
Truman got it right.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (UdYkW)
The idiots moaning about the A bombs never did the math about losses from the firebombing of nearly every other Japanese city *but* Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And we did those multiple times.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
Even in my younger, mind of mush days, I never doubted the wisdom of dropping those bombs. Minimum of 100K casualties ? No.
Truman got it right.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (UdYkW)
The idiots moaning about the A bombs never did the math about losses from the firebombing of nearly every other Japanese city *but* Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And we did those multiple times.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (eoQWY)
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Pope Frankie disagrees.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (ptqGC)
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Pope Frankie is a dumb ass Commie.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (ptqGC)
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Pope Frankie is a dumb ass Commie.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 03:52 PM (NVYyb)
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264 I disagree. biden is an actual material witness in this case. He claimed that he did the exact same thing the democrats are accusing Trump of doing and it's on video.
He needs to be put on the spot under oath and questioned about his bragging about withholding US aid until the prosecutor investigating his son got fired.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (JUOKG)
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Its not only that...... but the claim is Biden wasnt corrupt.
If he WAS corrupt.... that would make Trumps request for an investigation in corruption PROPER, ergo..... NO FUCKING IMPEACHMENT.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (8XRCm)
Ya'll are exactly right.
Wonder if the Bidens are considered controversial witnesses.
Yeah, thought so.
He needs to be put on the spot under oath and questioned about his bragging about withholding US aid until the prosecutor investigating his son got fired.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (JUOKG)
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Its not only that...... but the claim is Biden wasnt corrupt.
If he WAS corrupt.... that would make Trumps request for an investigation in corruption PROPER, ergo..... NO FUCKING IMPEACHMENT.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (8XRCm)
Ya'll are exactly right.
Wonder if the Bidens are considered controversial witnesses.
Yeah, thought so.
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:52 PM (CmURZ)
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The IG report pretty much says they were not bias ( BULLSHIT), only incompetent?
Hell of a report. LOL
Hell of a report. LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:52 PM (cEsBM)
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And the Japanese might have been destroyed by it. Like "no longer enough of them to have a functioning culture" destroyed.
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What went on on Okinawa scared the bejeebus out of the War Department.
Invading Japan proper would have been even worse.
And the Japanese might have been destroyed by it. Like "no longer enough of them to have a functioning culture" destroyed.
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What went on on Okinawa scared the bejeebus out of the War Department.
Invading Japan proper would have been even worse.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (8XRCm)
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Whole lot of blue cities need to remove their corrupt, Soros-paid, DAs.
Posted by: Axeman at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (YOhRS)
Living in the Philly metro, which has been cursed with a Soros DA, and now subject to the Soros-dictated rule of Philly DA's mini-me in Delaware County, I was heartened this morning to hear that Trump has been hosting police chiefs from those Soros=ruled cities to get progress reports about how many criminals are being released and enabled by these scum suckers.
I'm thinking he plans to take federal action against the soros DAs.
Posted by: Axeman at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (YOhRS)
Living in the Philly metro, which has been cursed with a Soros DA, and now subject to the Soros-dictated rule of Philly DA's mini-me in Delaware County, I was heartened this morning to hear that Trump has been hosting police chiefs from those Soros=ruled cities to get progress reports about how many criminals are being released and enabled by these scum suckers.
I'm thinking he plans to take federal action against the soros DAs.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (DJFLF)
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Nobody wants to punish Comey
Really? Seems like everyone here is calling for his imprisonment at minimum and just upset at people for mocking them because they are skeptical anything will happen. I mean various people specifically mentioned putting Comey in the stocks, prison, and firing squad in previous threads...
I would consider that punishment, personally.
Really? Seems like everyone here is calling for his imprisonment at minimum and just upset at people for mocking them because they are skeptical anything will happen. I mean various people specifically mentioned putting Comey in the stocks, prison, and firing squad in previous threads...
I would consider that punishment, personally.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (KZzsI)
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NOOD trailer
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (zr5Kq)
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Whole lot of blue cities need to remove their corrupt, Soros-paid, DAs.
And Secretaries of State, while we're at it.
And Secretaries of State, while we're at it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (KZzsI)
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Estimated 124,711 died in Tokyo alone.
Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (377Zs)
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Easy, unless you are joking. Garrett is not here to return the spike into your faces.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)
That big smiley face at the end of the post should have been a clue. Frankly though I thought it was the obvious ball busting that goes back and forth with garrett's posts that even that wouldn't be necessary.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)
That big smiley face at the end of the post should have been a clue. Frankly though I thought it was the obvious ball busting that goes back and forth with garrett's posts that even that wouldn't be necessary.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (oiW2a)
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The IG report pretty much says they were not bias ( BULLSHIT), only incompetent?
Hell of a report. LOL
PDT oughta announce that since they're all incompetent they're all fired.
I read last week that Betsy DeVos just eliminated 600 (!) positions at the Department of Education, so let's do a lot more of that sort of thing.
Hell of a report. LOL
PDT oughta announce that since they're all incompetent they're all fired.
I read last week that Betsy DeVos just eliminated 600 (!) positions at the Department of Education, so let's do a lot more of that sort of thing.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (ZGrMX)
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The idiots moaning about the A bombs never did the math about losses from the firebombing of nearly every other Japanese city *but* Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And we did those multiple times.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (eoQWY)
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Curtis Lemay made no bones about it. He said something along the lines of "We burned more of those bastards to death on the night of 10th March than in this raid."
American firebombing was so effective and so uncontested that a propaganda campaign near the end of the war was launched where we leafleted Japan.
Each leaflet had a list of 10 cities on one side. On the other side, the text said effectively, "within six months 7 of the cities listed on the reverse side will be destroyed. End the war."
And we did those multiple times.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (eoQWY)
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Curtis Lemay made no bones about it. He said something along the lines of "We burned more of those bastards to death on the night of 10th March than in this raid."
American firebombing was so effective and so uncontested that a propaganda campaign near the end of the war was launched where we leafleted Japan.
Each leaflet had a list of 10 cities on one side. On the other side, the text said effectively, "within six months 7 of the cities listed on the reverse side will be destroyed. End the war."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (I2dne)
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One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is
that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position,
whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need
to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
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I read something months ago about how young RAF pilots during the Battle of Britain were taught body and mind relaxation and meditation techniques in order to get sleep between missions.
The few times I've tried it, it's so mind-boggling imagining what they were facing vs. the problems in my life, that it had the opposite effect of making me even more agitated.
that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position,
whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need
to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
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I read something months ago about how young RAF pilots during the Battle of Britain were taught body and mind relaxation and meditation techniques in order to get sleep between missions.
The few times I've tried it, it's so mind-boggling imagining what they were facing vs. the problems in my life, that it had the opposite effect of making me even more agitated.
Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (HsFkI)
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The GOP cannot exist with a base fully awakened to the likes of Pee-Air Defecto, the Koch Brother and Paul Singer, etc.
It either goes the way of the Whigs or just gets subsumed by the Democrats. Both will never allow a real party based on the Trump doctrine to ever form if they can help it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (zBaqJ)
That ship has sailed, it is Trump's party now.
The Dems seem to be the one on the breakers.
It either goes the way of the Whigs or just gets subsumed by the Democrats. Both will never allow a real party based on the Trump doctrine to ever form if they can help it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (zBaqJ)
That ship has sailed, it is Trump's party now.
The Dems seem to be the one on the breakers.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (eoQWY)
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What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)
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Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (I2dne)
I've wondered about that. If we'd actually conquered the islands it might have meant the end of them as an independent people.
I've wondered about that. If we'd actually conquered the islands it might have meant the end of them as an independent people.
Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (U7voe)
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Then there was this I heard earlier this morning. Trump *didn't* have concerns about corruption in the Ukraine *because* Zelensky (a politician) ran on a *platform* of anti-corruption.
Now, my latest thought. Trump worries about corruption in the US despite that he ran on a Drain the Swamp (of Corruption) platform.
So that must inherently mean that they have no worries about Trump being corrupt?
So,
Zelensky's anti-corruption platform => Trump has no actual doubts about Ukraine's corruption anywhere.
Trump ran on DtS and has never said the word "dirt" or "bribe" or "extortion" or "quid pro quo" => Dems have no actual doubts about US corruption anywhere--especially Trump.
Another chapter of Dems-Don't-Argue-Too-Well in the books.
Now, my latest thought. Trump worries about corruption in the US despite that he ran on a Drain the Swamp (of Corruption) platform.
So that must inherently mean that they have no worries about Trump being corrupt?
So,
Zelensky's anti-corruption platform => Trump has no actual doubts about Ukraine's corruption anywhere.
Trump ran on DtS and has never said the word "dirt" or "bribe" or "extortion" or "quid pro quo" => Dems have no actual doubts about US corruption anywhere--especially Trump.
Another chapter of Dems-Don't-Argue-Too-Well in the books.
Posted by: Axeman at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (YOhRS)
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Thank G-d for atomic bombs and blockade.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)
Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
F-i-L was part of the invasion fleet waiting to go in. He would not allow anyone to criticize the use of the bombs. He knew the odds were slim that he would survive. He also marched through one of the nuked cities a few months after the surrender. His thoughts on the matter were "Better them than me. They started it, we finished it."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)
Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
F-i-L was part of the invasion fleet waiting to go in. He would not allow anyone to criticize the use of the bombs. He knew the odds were slim that he would survive. He also marched through one of the nuked cities a few months after the surrender. His thoughts on the matter were "Better them than me. They started it, we finished it."
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (7zQnd)
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The idiots moaning about the A bombs never did the math about losses from the firebombing of nearly every other Japanese city *but* Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And we did those multiple times.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (eoQWY)
Besides the prospect of casualties during the invasion, I really think that retribution was in order. The Japanese Empire had spent the last 20 years or more engaged in unrestrained savagery so horrifying that it would have made a Nazi death camp guard puke in disgust.
Frankly, the Japan of the 1930s and 1940s got off light with just two nukes.
The idiots moaning about the A bombs never did the math about losses from the firebombing of nearly every other Japanese city *but* Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And we did those multiple times.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (eoQWY)
Besides the prospect of casualties during the invasion, I really think that retribution was in order. The Japanese Empire had spent the last 20 years or more engaged in unrestrained savagery so horrifying that it would have made a Nazi death camp guard puke in disgust.
Frankly, the Japan of the 1930s and 1940s got off light with just two nukes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (kw0bd)
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Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (DJFLF)
Easy, unless you are joking. Garrett is not here to return the spike into your faces.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)
Yes I was joking but many a truth is said in jest. garrett and I barb at each other from time to time, he knows he's an a-hole and I know I can be um, problematic at times too.
Easy, unless you are joking. Garrett is not here to return the spike into your faces.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)
Yes I was joking but many a truth is said in jest. garrett and I barb at each other from time to time, he knows he's an a-hole and I know I can be um, problematic at times too.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (DJFLF)
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They need us to admit that we need them, but we don't.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (eoQWY)
Meh - I don't buy into all of that, but I see some of it.
In my day to day interactions, they definitely can't stand their "I think" being replied to with my "I don't fucking care". And that really is how it goes, day to day. But not every day - I live pretty rural. Rural folks ain't always conservatives - there's quite a bit of long haired country boys around here, me included.
But we never forget that an opinion is like an asshole, and a man is always king of his own castle. I don't know what you'd call that political philosophy, but it's pretty much mine.
Been fun, y'all. Later.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (eoQWY)
Meh - I don't buy into all of that, but I see some of it.
In my day to day interactions, they definitely can't stand their "I think" being replied to with my "I don't fucking care". And that really is how it goes, day to day. But not every day - I live pretty rural. Rural folks ain't always conservatives - there's quite a bit of long haired country boys around here, me included.
But we never forget that an opinion is like an asshole, and a man is always king of his own castle. I don't know what you'd call that political philosophy, but it's pretty much mine.
Been fun, y'all. Later.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (UdYkW)
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>>I think that both parties will be unrecognizable in another ten years,
if they even still exist. Everyone hates them and everything they stand
for. The Uniparty controls everything for now, but the reaper spares no
one, and as these dessicated old monkey skeletons all meet the cold
embrace of the grave, they will be replaced by hardline communist
radicals and nationalist populists.
Yes - we've got extremist on both ends (left: justice democrats and right: groypers) and they are rubbing salt in the would of the less radicalized in their respective sides over how the uniparty treats them. No one is happy with the DC crowd, except maybe foreign donors (Soros*, Qatar, China, etc.) and some tech billionaires.
*Regarding Soros, he is a foreigner/stateless individual, regardless of him getting US citizenship
if they even still exist. Everyone hates them and everything they stand
for. The Uniparty controls everything for now, but the reaper spares no
one, and as these dessicated old monkey skeletons all meet the cold
embrace of the grave, they will be replaced by hardline communist
radicals and nationalist populists.
Yes - we've got extremist on both ends (left: justice democrats and right: groypers) and they are rubbing salt in the would of the less radicalized in their respective sides over how the uniparty treats them. No one is happy with the DC crowd, except maybe foreign donors (Soros*, Qatar, China, etc.) and some tech billionaires.
*Regarding Soros, he is a foreigner/stateless individual, regardless of him getting US citizenship
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: redridinghood at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (wiXsO)
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What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)
Because he was under investigation for Russiagate, and then the Special Olympics Council.
They didn't call it an "insurance policy" for nothing.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)
Because he was under investigation for Russiagate, and then the Special Olympics Council.
They didn't call it an "insurance policy" for nothing.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (eoQWY)
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And the Japanese might have been destroyed by it. Like "no longer enough of them to have a functioning culture" destroyed.
I suspect it wouldn't have gotten that far. Japan was desperate
beyond belief due to blockade. It is possible that they would have
capitulated fairly quickly after we landed on Honshu. They were very
weak.
But looking at an atomic bomb versus *that* gamble and the scores of
people dying every day due to random fire and operational losses?
No bid. Drop the big one.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM
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If we had been forced to invade Japan, there would not be a Country called Japan today. Every man, woman and child was ready to sacrifice themselves to try and take out a US Soldier or even better a tank. They were training daily with sticks, lunge mines and even bricks as weapons.
Our people would have walked into a meat grinder the like they had never seen before and they would have killed any person they saw and leveled entire towns and villages with artillery.
It would have made Genghis Khan look like a piker.
I suspect it wouldn't have gotten that far. Japan was desperate
beyond belief due to blockade. It is possible that they would have
capitulated fairly quickly after we landed on Honshu. They were very
weak.
But looking at an atomic bomb versus *that* gamble and the scores of
people dying every day due to random fire and operational losses?
No bid. Drop the big one.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM
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If we had been forced to invade Japan, there would not be a Country called Japan today. Every man, woman and child was ready to sacrifice themselves to try and take out a US Soldier or even better a tank. They were training daily with sticks, lunge mines and even bricks as weapons.
Our people would have walked into a meat grinder the like they had never seen before and they would have killed any person they saw and leveled entire towns and villages with artillery.
It would have made Genghis Khan look like a piker.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (JUOKG)
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295 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (I2dne)
I've wondered about that. If we'd actually conquered the islands it might have meant the end of them as an independent people.
Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (U7voe)
If that had happened the Soviets would have landed in the home islands and there would have been another Cold War border to defend, not just in Germany.
I've wondered about that. If we'd actually conquered the islands it might have meant the end of them as an independent people.
Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (U7voe)
If that had happened the Soviets would have landed in the home islands and there would have been another Cold War border to defend, not just in Germany.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:59 PM (DJFLF)
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He chose not to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)
Yes, because the IG is going to be on the side of employees, just like HR runs interference for employees all the time in the corporate world.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)
Yes, because the IG is going to be on the side of employees, just like HR runs interference for employees all the time in the corporate world.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (I3OPu)
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>>What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.I think it's a combination of factors, including that he was under attack immediately (think daily leaks of phone calls with foreign leaders, prosecuting some of his people like Flynn, etc.), and he had hired Reince Preibus and some other GOP party people to help him staff. The latter was a fatal mistake, as these guys purposely shafted Trump campaign people and hired uniparty NeverTrumper DC insiders.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (bDqIh)
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F-i-L was part of the invasion fleet waiting to go in. He would not allow anyone to criticize the use of the bombs. He knew the odds were slim that he would survive. He also marched through one of the nuked cities a few months after the surrender. His thoughts on the matter were "Better them than me. They started it, we finished it."
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (7zQnd
Also it saved a lot of Japanese. They were starting to weaponize the civilians as suicide bombers and if things had gone there like it did on the islands before the troops would have had to kill a large fraction of the civilian population as well until they gave up, or committed suicide.
Perhaps they might have snapped out of it at some point and given in, but experience at that point said losses would be near total.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (7zQnd
Also it saved a lot of Japanese. They were starting to weaponize the civilians as suicide bombers and if things had gone there like it did on the islands before the troops would have had to kill a large fraction of the civilian population as well until they gave up, or committed suicide.
Perhaps they might have snapped out of it at some point and given in, but experience at that point said losses would be near total.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (eoQWY)
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If we had been forced to invade Japan, there would not be a Country called Japan today. Every man, woman and child was ready to sacrifice themselves to try and take out a US Soldier or even better a tank. They were training daily with sticks, lunge mines and even bricks as weapons.
Our people would have walked into a meat grinder the like they had never seen before and they would have killed any person they saw and leveled entire towns and villages with artillery.
It would have made Genghis Khan look like a piker.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (JUOKG)
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Maybe. I am not convinced of that. The Japanese army fell like wheat before the thresher when the Soviets invaded Mongolia. Granted, that was an underpowered outpost. The Kuriles, though, may be more telling. The Soviets - who had no experience in contested amphibious landings and basically no appropriate equipment for the same - smashed them there on the their own doorstep. They took heavy losses, but nothing like they assumed they would. This also didn't occur in a vacuum, though, which complicates things. The Soviets took the Kuriles after Hiroshima and before Nagasaki. The Japanese army was in a panic.
By the time Autumn of 1945 rolled around, given the continuing blockade and continuing starvation in the home islands, it is more than possible it would not have been nearly as bad as the forecast indicated.
All things we know now, and it is by no means guaranteed either way. At the time - and in retrospect - the A-bomb was fully justified. We were losing scores of men every day just maintaining positions and operations, and had months more of that to go before we'd be ready for Olympic and Coronet.
Our people would have walked into a meat grinder the like they had never seen before and they would have killed any person they saw and leveled entire towns and villages with artillery.
It would have made Genghis Khan look like a piker.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (JUOKG)
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Maybe. I am not convinced of that. The Japanese army fell like wheat before the thresher when the Soviets invaded Mongolia. Granted, that was an underpowered outpost. The Kuriles, though, may be more telling. The Soviets - who had no experience in contested amphibious landings and basically no appropriate equipment for the same - smashed them there on the their own doorstep. They took heavy losses, but nothing like they assumed they would. This also didn't occur in a vacuum, though, which complicates things. The Soviets took the Kuriles after Hiroshima and before Nagasaki. The Japanese army was in a panic.
By the time Autumn of 1945 rolled around, given the continuing blockade and continuing starvation in the home islands, it is more than possible it would not have been nearly as bad as the forecast indicated.
All things we know now, and it is by no means guaranteed either way. At the time - and in retrospect - the A-bomb was fully justified. We were losing scores of men every day just maintaining positions and operations, and had months more of that to go before we'd be ready for Olympic and Coronet.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (I2dne)
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What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)
My understanding is because once Obama did it, he and Holder changed the rules prohibiting future adminstrations from doing the same thing. Whether that can hold up to constitutional scrutiny I don't know. But the rule is there.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)
My understanding is because once Obama did it, he and Holder changed the rules prohibiting future adminstrations from doing the same thing. Whether that can hold up to constitutional scrutiny I don't know. But the rule is there.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (I3OPu)
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299 The FBI rounding up the miscreants as we speak.
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (bloh/)
I don't think they're going to round up their buddies . . .
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (bloh/)
I don't think they're going to round up their buddies . . .
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (CmURZ)
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If that had happened the Soviets would have landed in the home islands and there would have been another Cold War border to defend, not just in Germany.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (hLRSq)
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They almost did anyway. Stalin had the opportunity to land on Hokkaido and start conquering them from the north. They had plans to do so and were positioning forces.
I don't know exactly why he stopped. The assumption is he saw our armadas and armies arrayed to the south, and that he wasn't entitled to jack squat beyond the Kuriles per the Yalta agreement, and blinked.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (hLRSq)
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They almost did anyway. Stalin had the opportunity to land on Hokkaido and start conquering them from the north. They had plans to do so and were positioning forces.
I don't know exactly why he stopped. The assumption is he saw our armadas and armies arrayed to the south, and that he wasn't entitled to jack squat beyond the Kuriles per the Yalta agreement, and blinked.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (I2dne)
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My understanding is because once Obama did it, he and Holder changed the rules prohibiting future adminstrations from doing the same thing. Whether that can hold up to constitutional scrutiny I don't know. But the rule is there.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (I3OPu)
As Trump has shown, one XO can undo another XO.
I think the insurance policy was the main impediment. Trump was handcuffed until Mueller made his report, and his actions since have shown that he has a lot more freedom now.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (I3OPu)
As Trump has shown, one XO can undo another XO.
I think the insurance policy was the main impediment. Trump was handcuffed until Mueller made his report, and his actions since have shown that he has a lot more freedom now.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (eoQWY)
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What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)
My understanding is because once Obama did it, he and Holder changed
the rules prohibiting future adminstrations from doing the same thing.
Whether that can hold up to constitutional scrutiny I don't know. But
the rule is there.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM
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Yes obama embedded hundreds of positions in the White House and State that used to be political appointees into the Civil Service system and gave them the protections against firing that go along with that.
We need to go back to the spoils system and let each new Administration fire the entire federal Government and bring in their people.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)
My understanding is because once Obama did it, he and Holder changed
the rules prohibiting future adminstrations from doing the same thing.
Whether that can hold up to constitutional scrutiny I don't know. But
the rule is there.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM
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Yes obama embedded hundreds of positions in the White House and State that used to be political appointees into the Civil Service system and gave them the protections against firing that go along with that.
We need to go back to the spoils system and let each new Administration fire the entire federal Government and bring in their people.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (JUOKG)
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I don't think Trump had any idea how to staff 5000 executive branch positions. So he assumed the incumbants would just continue to do their jobs and let them be.
He didn't understand that hundreds if not thousands of those holdovers are arrayed to end his Presidency by any means necessary.
I fear the worst.
He didn't understand that hundreds if not thousands of those holdovers are arrayed to end his Presidency by any means necessary.
I fear the worst.
Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 04:11 PM (Y274z)
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Perhaps they might have snapped out of it at some point and given in, but experience at that point said losses would be near total.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (eoQWY)
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This too is the story of Obama.
Perhaps they might have snapped out of it at some point and given in, but experience at that point said losses would be near total.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (eoQWY)
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This too is the story of Obama.
Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (Y274z)
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Apparently Hickman did not report his views on LTC Vindman or his views were disregarded or the Pentagon would not have sent him into the White White House
Posted by: Kurt at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (atSuo)
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19 Vindman and Kerry seem Mohave the same leadership traits.
I wonder if they play cards together on Tuesdays.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (tT0V4)
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Vindman is the catcher.
I wonder if they play cards together on Tuesdays.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (tT0V4)
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Vindman is the catcher.
Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (Y274z)
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The shit show that is the impeachment hearing is even worse than the prior ones.
Gohmert walked out in disgust.
Gohmert walked out in disgust.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (Nv4st)
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The Left is perfectly safe, based on the circular firing squad that's been going on all day here. Nobody wants to punish Comey, but lots of people want to punish MAGA or JackStraw or apparently now garrett.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (ZGrMX)
I don't know who you're talking about, but it sure as hell isn't me. JackStraw may be wrong, IMO, but he comments in good faith.
I want Comey against a wall. I want 100% of the Dems and 99% of the GOP congress to be arrested today for treason. And I want Scankles to swing from a lamppost at the end of the day.
At this point, if I knew Achmed the Terrorist had a suitcase nuke and needed it delivered to DC, I would happily drive him there.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (ZGrMX)
I don't know who you're talking about, but it sure as hell isn't me. JackStraw may be wrong, IMO, but he comments in good faith.
I want Comey against a wall. I want 100% of the Dems and 99% of the GOP congress to be arrested today for treason. And I want Scankles to swing from a lamppost at the end of the day.
At this point, if I knew Achmed the Terrorist had a suitcase nuke and needed it delivered to DC, I would happily drive him there.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (Ki5SV)
323
And I hear they can't fire him, either. They're stuck with him.
Posted by: Horton Harris at December 09, 2019 04:23 PM (9IE7O)
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Re firing of undesirerables that 'can't' be fired.
At McClellan AFB the new base commander had a couple of fossilized (civilian) GS15's that wouldn't retire.
So on a weekend, he used airmen to remove one's office to a generator test cell and the other to the lobby of their building. In their exact entireity.
They retired.
At McClellan AFB the new base commander had a couple of fossilized (civilian) GS15's that wouldn't retire.
So on a weekend, he used airmen to remove one's office to a generator test cell and the other to the lobby of their building. In their exact entireity.
They retired.
Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (Y274z)
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Partisanship?
Ace seems to have omitted that LTC Hickman is a big fan of QAnon
To me that indicates the man is a nut case
Ace seems to have omitted that LTC Hickman is a big fan of QAnon
To me that indicates the man is a nut case
Posted by: Kurt at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (atSuo)
326
Honestly, I'm glad you roundeyes didn't nuke Japan into the bronze age. Yeah. I know what you meta nerds are going to say, but still.
Posted by: Godzilla at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (ldmQR)
327
Wray is pissed:
Asked whether he thought the FBI unfairly targeted the Trump campaign, Wray offered a terse reply: "I do not."
Wray, reacting to the release of the IG report in an interview with ABC News, said that one key takeaway for him was that "the Inspector General did not find political bias or improper motivations impacting the opening of the investigation or the decision to use certain investigative tools during the investigations."
"Including FISA?"
"Including FISA," Wray said
Wray pushed back on the "Deep State" characterization of the bureau's work.
"I think that's the kind of label that's a disservice to the men and women who work at the FBI who I think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rigor, with objectivity, with courage," Wray said. "So that's not a term I would ever use to describe our work force and I think it's an affront to them."
Asked whether he thought the FBI unfairly targeted the Trump campaign, Wray offered a terse reply: "I do not."
Wray, reacting to the release of the IG report in an interview with ABC News, said that one key takeaway for him was that "the Inspector General did not find political bias or improper motivations impacting the opening of the investigation or the decision to use certain investigative tools during the investigations."
"Including FISA?"
"Including FISA," Wray said
Wray pushed back on the "Deep State" characterization of the bureau's work.
"I think that's the kind of label that's a disservice to the men and women who work at the FBI who I think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rigor, with objectivity, with courage," Wray said. "So that's not a term I would ever use to describe our work force and I think it's an affront to them."
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