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John Durham: I'm the One With the Prosecutorial Power and the Final Say, IG Obama Holdover
NEW: in a rare statement,US Attorney John Durham says:
— Brooke Singman (@brookefoxnews) December 9, 2019
"Based on the evidence collected to date,&while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.” #FISA
The omissions -- the deliberate lies and actual fraud perpetrated upon the FISA court -- is "concerning," but none of the rats confessed to having been responsible for the lies, therefore there are no lies, or at least we're going to pretend them away:
We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applicationsThanks to artisinal 'ette for that one.
and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we
did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
part of the case agents who assisted in preparing the applications, or the agents
and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information....
That via alexthechick.
Page xiv of the executive summary more or less says: "That so many basic and fundamental errors
were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process." There's more but all that's being done? A fucking audit.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Old Dude at December 09, 2019 01:57 PM (LGXGf)
Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (JMDly)
Posted by: sparky at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (eFpg9)
Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (JMDly)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (VqhL9)
Posted by: Liberty at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (2BaZC)
Posted by: Old Dude at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (LGXGf)
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (sD1Jj)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (CLxlH)
Mom: No, we have Criminal Indictments at home.
Criminal Indictments at home: *this IG report*
guys, it's hard to meme through the grey boxes.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (x2wJm)
Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (pq7xD)
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (sX1BW)
--Durham
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (NWiLs)
Mom: No, we have Criminal Indictments at home.
Criminal Indictments at home: *this IG report*
guys, it's hard to meme through the grey boxes.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (x2wJm)
Imagine the Horde with memes and gifs.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: Surfperch, preparing to wait another #twoweeks at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (tVQUs)
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (v0R5T)
"and in three years, we'll begin making a case that stuff happened a long time ago that everyone forgot about!"
--Durham
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (KZzsI)
and oops, statutes of limitations.
Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (JMDly)
Short-circuit it. Call the grand jury. Find some sleight of hand to call it somewhere in the interior.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7nTlT)
I've heard rumors that this existed once.
Just like the FBI once existed to serve Americans.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (ayFCE)
When is it enough?
It is sad when rampant corruption and abuse of power are allowed to happen because of decorum.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (ycWCI)
"and in three years, we'll begin making a case that stuff happened a long time ago that everyone forgot about!"
--Durham
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (KZzsI)
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We can look forward to yet another year of forlorn hope about Durham Will Come.
Yeah, right.
This corruption doesn't get fixed by Durham, Barr or anyone else in government. It'll have to be fixed by the people. Or not.
But our government is too deeply criminal at all levels to be repaired this way.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (CLxlH)
Barr and Durham are working together, as we have always said. It's also been pointed out that the biggest hole in the Horowitz report is that he did not assess the CIA's role in an of this. So, if the CIA made up stuff, and gave it to the FBI, the FBI can say "But we relied on the CIA!" and that would be called "justified" under the standards Horowitz was working on.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (trdmm)
Then fucking act like it.
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A weapon unused is a useless weapon.
Or something to that effect.
Get on with it.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7nTlT)
It would certainly get spammy.
Posted by: Surfperch, preparing to wait another #twoweeks at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (tVQUs)
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (G546f)
Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (gmo/4)
John Durham: I'm the One With the Prosecutorial Power
Then fucking act like it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7jTtI)
This. x1000
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (JRaU+)
Posted by: Max Power at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (QCc6B)
Posted by: Ootenvault at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (CRBuu)
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (vPKfA)
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (G546f)
I've been doing that a lot lately.
Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (tVQUs)
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7nTlT)
Once upon a time, we had sparkly text and moving text and hyperlinks and the Horde treated that solemn responsibility as you would expect.
[ you ]
Two weeks! Two week! New comments thingy in two weeks! You're always two weeks awaaaaayy!
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (gmo/4)
*chuckles*
That's all right you scamps. Run along and play.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (ycWCI)
Ace is the tip of the spear.
'Tis the season.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (1CjJc)
It will allow all the Tech companies to censor any pushback about investigating Trump.
It will now be labeled an OFFICIALLY debunked Conspiracy theory.
So Twitter, Facybook, YouTube... will all be able to censor actual evidence of this conspiracy.
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (NgKpN)
Schrodinger's America
Either America and America's Justice System are stone cold dead.
Or, America and America's Justice System are not dead.
We don't know until Barr/Durham open a Can O'Righteous Judicial Whup-ass on the malefactors or not.
*sigh*
Political Physics is Ha-a-a-a-a-a-rd!
Posted by: naturalfake at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (9X624)
Massive counterintel investigation against political campaign of
opposing party was started solely on tip from foreign gov't, nothing
else, IG says. W/in days, 4 campaign officials targeted, picked because
they'd been to Russia or talked to Russians. Wow does this look flimsy.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (G546f)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (r+sAi)
Once upon a time, we had sparkly text and moving text and hyperlinks and the Horde treated that solemn responsibility as you would expect.
[ you ]
Two weeks! Two week! New comments thingy in two weeks! You're always two weeks awaaaaayy!
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (mf5HN)
Heh.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (kw0bd)
Can't Horowitz be replaced?
Posted by: Ootenvault at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (CRBuu)
LOL!!! Optics?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (ZA8br)
This will have some effect on the perception of the report.
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (N39Ws)
Because for now, the only conclusion one can (and will) draw is that "The FBI Was Justified".
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (77WPm)
That via alexthechick.
yep,
I read this and laughed out loud.
Sooo corporate.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
It will be used by defense attorneys.
"Your honor, my client is not guilty. Even the government's IG found no criminality!"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (7jTtI)
Yeah, I think I'm done with politics. This country is so corrupt there really is no going back. Buy guns and ammo.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (AFSld)
What the hell did they expect? What did any of us expect? This is Horowitz, for God's sakes.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (Izzlo)
Posted by: Joe "Sniffles" Biden at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (tVQUs)
A lot of use predicted that is what the I.G. report would say. And then we were told to shut up by a belligerent dick with rose colored glasses.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (CLxlH)
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As I've said, if anything will happen, it will happen in the 2nd term.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (sX1BW)
This will have some effect on the perception of the report.
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (M+Lyo)
Sez you!
- ABCNBCCBSNPRCNNMSNBCNYTWAPOLAT...
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Moron Robbie -It is illegal for an outsider to win the presidency at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (3rtj0)
When is it enough?
It is sad when rampant corruption and abuse of power are allowed to happen because of decorum.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (ycWCI)
The real question is, when does public fury give way to private retaliation? The recent story of the 4 rapists in India is the only way any actual retribution will be handed out in these cases.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: LOL at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (GcJhb)
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (3aI0K)
There's some of that in the Horde group on Gab. But Gab is now all in on the "true conservatives want to ban porn and execute the producers" thing that Matt Welch started, which what the actual fuck?
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (ZGrMX)
@Techno_Fog
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8m
"The FBI did not have information corroborating the Steele reporting"
Without corroboration - they lied to the FISC about Steele's credentials and his prior history as an informant.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (vEIlU)
But we're all just pants-shitters for, you know, actually noticing what the report says in its own fucking words.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (NWiLs)
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I'm pretty eeyorish myself when it comes to this stuff. Not as much as some, but definitely more than others.
What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.
I get that people want these things to turn out a certain way, and it can be irritating to be constantly told it won't.
But all things considered, virtually 100% of recent events bear out that position. I understand disagreeing with the assessment, and believing that things are going to turn around, but you can't simply write off that argument in a huff, because it's founded in experience.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (NgKpN)
Don't forget payment processors and banks having an excuse to cut you off from the economy.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (sm6Pk)
Time you put out your garbage .
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (ZA8br)
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Wait, these are the guys that are going to take down the deep state coup-ers?
Posted by: Moron Robbie -It is illegal for an outsider to win the presidency at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (3rtj0)
Correct. We the people have been hypotized and trained into waiting for and relying on the government to fix our problems so much so that now we just sit around and gnash our teeth in frustration when big daddy fed dosen't do it.
We have this collection of old John Wayne movies, those old ones before he was a big star. Every single one he's a federal marshall who shows up undercover to save a town that can't help its self and needs the gubmint to do it for them. Propaganda.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (KZzsI)
@KimStrassel
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34m
Two biggest IG takeaways so far:
--The FBI played the FISA court. The information about what it presented and what it excluded in Page application is damning.
--IG destroys Steele dossier as a work of fantasy.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (AFSld)
[X] - Cartridge Box
But don't abandon [] - Soap Box. Ace needs a new pair of hobo skinners.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (P96+U)
And there it is again. No intent. I guess that's going to be the new standard when Our Betters get caught breaking the law.
*spit*
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (U7qMl)
I think Durham is saying "leave the conclusions to me". And while I hate to sound optimistic, like another JackStraw, I think he is sounding pretty good.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (NVYyb)
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I don't remember a time when that wasn't the case here.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Moron Robbie -It is illegal for an outsider to win the presidency at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (3rtj0)
must that be done legislatively?
if ALL that follows from this is that FISA is no longer, I will be moderately happy
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (Rarvo)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (vEIlU)
The only logical explanation for these many mistakes by all these senior people is that they WERE NOT mistakes. Everyone was working toward the same goal: F*ck Trump
Posted by: FloridaMan at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (r28kI)
That's the problem with the logic of "these things take time". Trump doesn't have the luxury of time
Justice delayed is justice denied and all that
Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (mO8tz)
Yeah its almost religious zealotry, holding to a position of faith and rage at the heretic.
Look, we get you. We want it all to turn out wonderfully like the end of a movie too. We want to see the big dramatic moment where it all falls apart for the bad guys and justice reigns.
But that's not real life.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: SH
And if Trump loses? This all goes away and the coup was successful.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (7jTtI)
AG (sic)had to go with either:
(i) we're fucksticks who can't do anything right; or
(ii) we're politically biased fucksticks who can't do anything right.
And he decided to go with (i).
https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1204113212523864064
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (mf5HN)
Wednesday should prove interesting. The Senate is going to be asking some pointed questions of HorrorWitz.
This will have some effect on the perception of the report.
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (M+Lyo)
You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (l3+k2)
I think Durham is saying "leave the conclusions to me". And while I hate to sound optimistic, like another JackStraw, I think he is sounding pretty good.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (NVYyb)
so there is something slightly useful in the report ?
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (zr5Kq)
This IG report was another shenanigan and malarkey to distract and confuse the voters. Double speak, like Comey and the rest of them.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (vEIlU)
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Word is, Barr and Durham are privately "furious" at Obama-appointee Horowitz for pulling a Comey
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No, no. Bird. Bird is the word.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (pMGkg)
I mean it seems to me this could have been wrapped up in a month or two?
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (bloh/)
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I don't remember a time when that wasn't the case here.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM
We've had a handful of those. "Everything's just fine, it's all going to work out great, there's nothing to worry about you fucking stupid pants-shitting eeyore rubes!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (NWiLs)
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And the realists are preparing accordingly.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (RU4sa)
I'm a pessimist who wishes she were an optimist, so I don't feel any hostility, but I think there's a certain amount of self-protection in "attacking" those who present uncomfortable negative information and theories.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (Rarvo)
Posted by: Blake - Blackberry for the win at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (9V9l3)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (zr5Kq)
However, Durham can and will. There's a shitload of people Horowitz didn't talk to that Durham can. Based on the information Horowitz was able to get, this is what he got. To assume he got all the information is delusional.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (zVXtJ)
"Based on the evidence collected to date,&while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
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Barr doesn't seem like he's going to take the "decline to prosecute route".
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (q80AH)
The hell with Trump. WE don't have the luxury of time.
Either this is a nation under the rule of law or the rule of men. Which will it be? There's no third way. Either there's justice or there is not, its an absolute toggle.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (KZzsI)
I mean it seems to me this could have been wrapped up in a month or two?
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (bloh/)
And it was purposely incomplete
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (vEIlU)
Massive counterintel investigation against political campaign of
opposing party was started solely on tip from foreign gov't, nothing
else, IG says. W/in days, 4 campaign officials targeted, picked because
they'd been to Russia or talked to Russians. Wow does this look flimsy.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (NVYyb)
So in other words, the FBI were the ones that got played, fucking idiots
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (AFSld)
were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most
sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels
within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be
subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the
FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process.
I know....right!
Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein who did not kill himself at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (KP5rU)
"and in three years, we'll begin making a case that stuff happened a long time ago that everyone forgot about!"
A long time ago in an administration far, far away.
Posted by: Star Chamber Wars at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Vy7tf)
Nothing will happen and its time everyone start accepting this fact.
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (sed5H)
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There's a lot of hostility from the pessimists towards the optimists, too.
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo)
I'd like to believe they are smarter than that and knew it was coming.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (KZzsI)
You flipped cause and effect. If Trump loses, it's *because* the coup was successful.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (oVJmc)
I mean it seems to me this could have been wrapped up in a month or two?
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (bloh/)
Horowitz had two jobs
1) Clear the FBI of wrongdoing - Accomplished
2) Run-out the clock on anyone doing anything about it - Accomplished, with a big assist from Sessionzzzzz and Mueller
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (H8QX8)
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I don't remember a time when that wasn't the case here.
Posted by: SH
Especially when the
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (7jTtI)
*spit*
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (U7qMl)
And Trump will be impeached for a perceived intent of an action that never took place.
And this is all happening on the SAME DAMN DAY!
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: SH
And if Trump loses? This all goes away and the coup was successful.
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Yep.
The question is does prosecuting now help Trump win or hurt.
The Horde would obviously say help.
Those with experience in government are obviously saying, let's wait then we can really go after them.
I'd like to have faith in Barr. I think he is better than most. But he is a creature of government, and I think he will be one that as we get closer to the election will believe he needs to wait until after the election to really proceed further.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (prSvo)
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (zVXtJ)
exactly, so this report is irrelevant
but will be used as propaganda, as intended
along with the impeachment hoax
and the media lapdogs, this is all orchestated
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (vEIlU)
no, it was clearly slow-walked to a massive degree
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (Rarvo)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (yfoZs)
Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (X+a7J)
That's funny, because the last two threads have been wall-to-wall JackStraw bashing. Jack himself has said repeatedly that the IG report was going to be a whitewash.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (zr5Kq)
Yes.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (emUSt)
Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM
Can we pull a page from the Dem playbook and charge him with obstruction of justice?
Posted by: Grimaldi at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (Cqg4s)
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (7ZQe3)
There's a lot of hostility from the pessimists towards the optimists, too.
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo
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True, and I don't really get that either. I really want those guys to be right, I just don't think they are. No need to get pissed at them about it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (ZA8br)
And this is all happening on the SAME DAMN DAY!
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (NgKpN)
++++++++++++++++
If it weren't for double standards, there'd be no standards at all.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (I2dne)
That's nice. Show me "publicly furious". Illustrations shall include, but not be limited to, charges, trials and convictions.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (i6shs)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (7jTtI)
Where's the investigation into the ICIG who
CONSPIRED with shiff, vindman, and their
fake whistleblower?
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (e+eX2)
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (prSvo)
busy with the holidays over here!
don't let any of this bs get you down!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Wytshus at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (W7Inp)
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (V35Xz)
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo)
Look, some of us, by which I do not mean me, as I am a delicate flower of innocent virtue, only know how to present a simulacrum of human emotion as hostility.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (qM84C)
As I've said for quite some time - "Show. Me. The Money". Oops, account looks empty.
Hannity, Soloman, etc. were all-in on this investigation and Justice Come a Callin'. When its actually an inverse of the Russian Collusion scam. With the Russia scam, there was no evidence, but there was massive appearance of investigatory action making it look like there was. When the smoke cleared, there was no evidence. So it was all talk.
Here, there is evidence, mountains of it, however the was no appearance of serious investigation. All done behind the scenes. They gather all the facts (which, unlike Muh Russia, are damning), but since they can't ignore it, they then right it all off as "mistakes were made, judgment call, etc.". Sound familiar (Hillary Clinton's offenses she walked away on due to "no intent" when the investigation SCREAMED intent).
Difference - there is criminality with the FISA/Coup, but its pooh-poohed. Meanwhile, we'll Lynch Trump because he didn't return the Little Engine that Could to his Elementary School Library when he was 7.
All is not lost. Barr's investigation is what really matters, but only a fool refuses to see this Report as what it is - excusing the crime as "discretion" and undermining Barr to cast his criminal investigation as partisan. This is EXACTLY why you don't let the IG go first, spinning his wheels with limited scope, and why you DON'T do this type of investigation in an election year.
Oh, and any QAnon followers, I hope ya know that is a disinformation op itself, designed to keep Trump supporters docile and compliant and to rely on "official investigations" despite appearances to the contrary, until time runs out and statutes of limitations or terms in office expire. Q says to "trust the plan" when there isn't one. Oops, ya found out too late.
As a guy on Twitter posted, the Left doesn't have to "trust the plan" - they just charge, convict and sentence their political opponents. And Giuliani is next.
Expect Hannity, etc. to take a hit on viewers, ala Madcow. No need to
tune in to hear some false hope. I will live life, but be sure to get back to me when
Barr actually perp walks some muthers. Until then, its oral flatulence.
One more legitimate avenue of consequence removed from us. They are running low now.
Oh, and one more thing - since this whitewashes all the Coup's actions as "discretion", well, there's plenty of time for Trump and his DOJ to start making some "discretionary decisions " of their own on each and every Dem candidate (And some Dem Congress critters, I might add).
I'm a big fan of reciprocity.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (i6shs)
His use of Air Force One to fly to Afghanistan for a Christmas Vacation?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (aJkzG)
If horowitz is going to claim there was no political bias behind the coup attempt, then -
that leaves only one possible motive for the Democrats, and that is that -
they were helping the Russians (the sole source of the Steele dossier info) run a disinformation campaign with the goal of removing a duly elected President of the United States of America.
I believe that falls under treason and insurrection just for starters.
Even if you want to say it's a Ukrainian Disinformation Campaign to etc, et, etc, that's still treason and insurrection.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (9X624)
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (prSvo)
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This^
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: timactual at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (pPXFf)
I'm done pissing and moaning about this, I'll keep voting and prepping. The rest is in God's hands.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (prSvo)
Yep. Focus on what you can control, like supporting those on our side. Ace, for example.
Hit the tip jar.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo)
"You fucking stupid Polyanna Left-Wing Sleeper-Agent Troll!"
Something like that?
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (sm6Pk)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (mf5HN)
I wish he'd be more vocal, actually - yes, I know that's absurd to say - but he needs to be attacking the IG report, the coup plotters, the impeachment liars, etc, etc. Hammer them every day on TV, Twitter, whatever. They're already trying to destroy them. Fire back. What are they going to do, impeach him again?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (CLxlH)
Not really necessary Buzzion.
Think it's time for me to take break...
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (cF8AT)
I mean it seems to me this could have been wrapped up in a month or two?
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (bloh/)
And it was purposely incomplete
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (vEIlU)
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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (bloh/)
Horowitz is part of the deep state.
So warning for the optimists out there, many thought Horowitz was on the up and up.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (r+sAi)
I hit that back in June, I think.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (3ZQT1)
Posted by: Audit at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (ptqGC)
I'm-a gonna stick with my ammo buying plans then.
If we're not going to have rule of law, I intend to have a leg up on what comes after.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (d1uFV)
Also I've hit the not even pretending to do work for the rest of the year stage so that's nice.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (mf5HN)
Nice. Merry Trumpmas to you and your family. My pretending has caught up with me and it is crunch time.
Later, all.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (1CjJc)
while he is known to interrogate both sides of the aisle, he doesn't have a reputation for contrarianism and outspoken appeals to journalistic integrity that made Smith a hero to critics of Fox News and a villain to much of its audience.
If there's one thing Fox is looking to change with the 3 p.m. hour, it's the ratings. While Smith was widely celebrated outside the network, his hour often came dead last in viewership. Since his departure, ratings for the 3 p.m. hour have spiked.
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (FBrfY)
Barr's speech at the Federalist Society last month counts as "publicly furious at the libs". Not in the ways we want to see, of course, but it's a good window into his mind.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (FhXTo)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I promise to answer REALLY pointed questions. REALLY pointed, with points.
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (r28kI)
That's the question
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (CEYxb)
Posted by: Paolo del Toro at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (pPQeR)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (KP5rU)
Yep. God is always in charge, and we're always responsible to do the right thing ourselves. Be prepared, and do the right thing, whatever the cost. Leave the results in God's hands.
Heck, its my birthday today, wish I had a tip jar, or at least people would buy my books
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (0xBFn)
Posted by: Ian S.
That's exactly what we've said. So why was there any arguments?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (yfoZs)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (zr5Kq)
I wish he'd be more vocal, actually - yes, I know that's absurd to say - but he needs to be attacking the IG report, the coup plotters, the impeachment liars, etc, etc. Hammer them every day on TV, Twitter, whatever. They're already trying to destroy them. Fire back. What are they going to do, impeach him again?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (AFSld)
I am on record as stating that I want an Oval Office address where Trump gets out the yarn wall and explains all of this while Melania sits in a chair and taps a riding crop in her hand.
Mainly the Melania thing.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (mf5HN)
All you needed was the fully unredacted FISA warrants to show the breadth and width of the coup plot.
These guys know how properly predicated investigations are instigated and conducted.
Their investigatio should have been wrapped in a month.
I mean when are they going to wrap their investigation, the spring of 2020?
This has all become ridiculoaly absurd.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (JveFw)
I was wrong.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Scomo at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (YrjfA)
Posted by: Anyone? at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (vqIkG)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM
Maybe we could hook them up to those dynasmo-things and generate green energy!
Posted by: AOC at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (Cqg4s)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (zr5Kq)
[x] Ballot Box
[ ] Jury Box
[ ] Ammo Box
Don't make us go through that whole list, government. Please.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (7jTtI)
Because some people badly want to believe that long-time posters are long-con sleeper agents just waiting to go full Soros.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (sm6Pk)
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Burr and Durham should learn from this. And the lesson is this: simple criticism won't change anything. Dramatic actions are required. Medieval actions.
There needs to be serious punishment, up and down the command levels, to make these lessons stick.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (NVYyb)
I'm a big fan of reciprocity.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (i6shs)
Such a thing needs to be done through the bureaucracy. Which leans heavily left. We can't effectively retaliate in that manner. I don't disagree with the idea I'm saying it's not available to us.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (7nTlT)
MUMR went full Mitt. You never go full Mitt.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (ZGrMX)
*spit*
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (U7qMl)
Well, their intent was to get a Grand Slam breakfast at Denny's and all this shiite just happened on its own.
Even the word 'intent' has a new meaning.
Posted by: Caspar Whiteberger at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (6XlcD)
Posted by: Lord Comey at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (2Mnv1)
Posted by: FrodoB at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (XiQ9r)
Living my life.
Training.
Teaching kids and grandbabies the way of the horde.
Loving my friends and friends I haven't met.
Praying.
Oh, buying ammo.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (Y4EXg)
address where Trump gets out the yarn wall and explains all of this
while Melania sits in a chair and taps a riding crop in her hand.
Mainly the Melania thing.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (mf5HN)
And Barron is seen in the background cleaning a Glock.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (sed5H)
None of this surprises me. I've always had a much
darker view of this. History is the guide. Every Concord bridge has a
build up, every bullet ridden mussolini swinging upside down from a
lampost has a buildup, every Ceausescu has a buildup. This is nothing
more than a buildup.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (9Om/r)
Posted by: jhawk90 at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (/ZYFC)
Can Barr/Durham get Page or Sztrok to flip?
That's the question
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Lisa is always on top ... with a strap-on.
Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (Mvvar)
Mainly the Melania thing.
Hah, seconded!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (AFSld)
Oh, come on - I'd put the odds of JackStraw being a disinformation troll somewhere around 0.0%.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)
Odds of him lighting one up right now are greater than that.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (1CjJc)
Horowitz is going to take a sledgehammer to the Deep State and there will be massive FBI raids of the perps simultaneous with the release of the report.
Posted by: MAGA at December 05, 2019 08:01 AM (I5LRE)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (7jTtI)
But vote for us. Trust us, we've got this...
Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (mO8tz)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (6XlcD)
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (H8QX
Got it in one.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (3ZQT1)
steel tip, for reference, and not feather.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (H8QX8)
Stuff some guy said or something...
Posted by: Boots at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (oGBso)
It is always much much easier for the government employee in question to prove that he is an idiot. In fact, it's almost always a slam dunk conclusion.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: The Barr-Durham legal team at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (uGHnY)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (ZA8br)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)
Agreed - he's a hopeless optimist who has way, way too much faith in bureaucrats "doing the right thing". But no way is he a moby or a troll.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (Vy7tf)
If that's not criminal intent, that's only because Brennan, et. al. are the dumbest MFers in the world.
Posted by: Ted K. at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (FJYfm)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (3ZQT1)
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (RU4sa)
I was told that was happening and should just wait for it to reveal itself. I suppose, we still need to keep waiting for it.
I'll wait another #twoweeks, but after that I'm going start losing hope in certain people's analytic abilities.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (wAc7x)
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (3aI0K)
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (32YRo)
This needs a RICO approach, since they all rely on "gee, it was not me, I just depended on info from someone else" ... and the end of that circle jerk points back to the initial guy pointing to the next guy.
RICO (as I understand) puts together the series of "accidents" into a consistent pattern of criminal (sedition/coup in this case) activities. The persistent pattern proves the racketeering .. part of the pattern is observed in the Mueller and Whitaker whitewashing ... the Strzok emails on the insurance against a Trump presidency can't be explained away (except they think they run government, and crippling the POTUS is their highest duty, making them the traitors)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (Cus5s)
steel tip, for reference, and not feather.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (NVYyb)
Is she wearing clothes? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (gmo/4)
*spit*
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (U7qM
Yup. Any normal sap working in the Intelligence Agencies does NOT get away with intent. If you mishandle classified info, lack of intent does not get you off.
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (r28kI)
No, it's "God's in his heaven, MUMR's shitting on ace's carpet, all's right with the world."
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (P96+U)
Posted by: jhawk90 at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (/ZYFC)
Castor is like Ambien. Ugh. Doug Collins was excoriating someone earlier, and that was actually fun.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (0GvUH)
Now Storzk and Page, they might be right to be worried.
But I'll be very surprised if even Barr comes up with Brennan, or Clapper, and you can completely forget Clinton and don't even fantasize about Chocolate Jesus.
I'll settle for them being forced to leave Trump the Fluck alone for the remainder of the term.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (DI/ar)
That's all, I'm out
Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (jS35y)
That's what they have in mind. Destroy him, destroy anyone who publicly supported him, destroy anyone who donated to him, so there never will be another.
The only question is whether or not Trump is reelected. Even if they do impeach -- which I doubt, but they really are that dumb -- it won't affect the outcome of the election.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (0GvUH)
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that is a conclusion of every single IG or special commission report, I believe
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (zr5Kq)
Anything on HOW the information obtained by the FBI and DOJ pursuant to FISA warrants was ACTUALLY USED and BY WHOM?
I've said all along, the FISA Warrants (which allow 3 hop surveillance to the FISA Targets) make sense, beyond gambit as an "insurance policy" to hamstring Trump, if Fusion GPS or other Clinton Campaign interests were able to get access to the real time intelligence collected as a result of the FISA Warrants.
Yes, it was an "insurance policy," put the real gold to be mined as a result of the FISA warrants was the intelligence about Trump 2016 campaign strategy. We KNOW that third-party contractors abused the NSA database during the timeframe at issue (per that long heavily redacted FISA Court opinion about abuse of the data sets). WHO WERE THEY? What information do they get?
If THESE questions are not answered for the public, then our country is neither free nor governed by the rule of the law.
WHY did the Obama Admin open Crossfire Hurricane? Am I being told that this was just a routine counterintelligence investigation having nothing to do with affecting the outcome of the 2016 investigation? They did ALL of this, just to investigate if Carter Page, Manafort, Pada and/or Flynn were "Russia Assets"? And, that they USED the FISA intelligence product only for this purpose? We know now, that none of these four in fact did conspire with Russia or were Russia assets. OIG report makes clear today, the FBI and DOJ had ample evidence of this fact (no Russian collusion) all the way back at the beginning of the process. But they CHOSE to ignore it, and to mislead the FISA Court. WHY? Isn't the "WHY" question THE entire question here? Won't the answer to this question drive what should happen now?
So, then, I repeat -- WHY did they open Crossfire Hurricane? Because they wanted to collect real-time intelligence on Team Trump.
WHY? The answer MUST BE that they wanted to USE that intelligence, also in real-time.
HOW and WHY? They wanted to pass the intelligence to Clinton, to help her win the 2016 election.
These government types think we're stupid. The People need to start thinking about how to respond.
Posted by: RichardWindsor at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (DRgs8)
Ankara claimed it is the lone voice standing up for Palestinians today. Turkey has warm relations with Hamas. The Hamas member Saleh Arouri arrived in Turkey on Sunday. He has been accused of involvement in kidnapping, murder and other forms of terrorism in 2014. Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas also came to Turkey with Arouri and Moussa Abu Marzouk and others as part of a large delegation. Ankara has asked NATO to condemn terrorism but hosts Hamas.
Member of NATO ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (cEsBM)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (3ZQT1)
I've been careful to not bash the optimists, but bash the constant disappointment afterward. You can only hope for justice so many times until you simply stop believing. No one involved in this coup will ever be charged, so it's best to move on.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: jewells45 at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (BLT3V)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (DI/ar)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (iMxDC)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (KZzsI)
Precisely. The Deep State is pissing on our heads and it seems there are still plenty of people on our side who want to try to tell us it's raining.
Perhaps because the alternative - that we are simply not voting, legislating, or lawsuiting our way out of this - is (rightly) too horrifying to contemplate.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (trdmm)
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For servicemembers, non-judicial punishments such as Article 15s and Captain masts serve a similar purpose.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (RU4sa)
https://t.co/NevIAogl9X
"What happened to Drudge?"A lot of people have been asking that question lately. If you talk to conservatives these days, you'll hear that Matt Drudge's eponymous news aggregation site has gone over to the dark side - that Matt's joined the anti-Trump resistance. And now, Rasmussen Reports, an arguably reputable polling operation, is calling Drudge out on Twitter, even suggesting that the site has been sold.
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (FBrfY)
Investigations into Republicans on the flimsiest of falsified pretexts is Patriotism.
Investigations into Democrats even with clear probable cause is Treason.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (T0djb)
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (FEQY4)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (4fdba)
And just remember, your new ironclad defense is "have no intent" for anything you might do.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (DI/ar)
Except for Trump, in which case they call in Ms. Cleo to divine his actual intent.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (1CjJc)
There have never been any question about where to find this criminals, just no one has had to guts to go after them using the Chicago way. BTW, fire that former DOJ NSD IC inspector general too as he was in on the whole smear.
Posted by: whig at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (MwILh)
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (Zz0t1)
Now it's like everyone knew this was going to be nothing.
Huh.
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (sed5H)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (Zz0t1)
while he is known to interrogate both sides of the aisle, he doesn't have a reputation for contrarianism and outspoken appeals to journalistic integrity that made Smith a hero to critics of Fox News and a villain to much of its audience.
If there's one thing Fox is looking to change with the 3 p.m. hour, it's the ratings. While Smith was widely celebrated outside the network, his hour often came dead last in viewership. Since his departure, ratings for the 3 p.m. hour have spiked.
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (FBrfY)
Is Bill gonna start wearing eyeliner and mascara ?
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (ZA8br)
Disgusting. Corrupt sobs. We need an army of Sobieskis.
Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (mO8tz)
Supposedly Shep was all that and the bee's knees to the blue haired old lady set. Which is most of news broadcasting's demographic these days
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (KZzsI)
"If Trump isn't removed at the Senate Impeachment Trial, Trump will steal the election in 2020, because he has a history of participating in unfair elections."
Fuck, I hate these people.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (fp3O8)
Look what they are attempting to do to my beloved country.
This must not stand.
I have said all that I'm going to on the subject, you may infer whatever you wish about that, what comes next is going to remain unsaid.
Posted by: Irongrampa at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (KATBx)
were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process."
There's more but all that's being done? A fucking audit
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yes, all FBI agents will get a mandatory 5 minute workshop on not harassing republicans with made up evidence, to be sandwiched between their annual week long anti-islamaphobia workshop and their monthly gays-r-great lectures
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (FEQY4)
If they get away with this. How are we to assume anything but elections
are a farce? Our own govt agencies used their!!- positions to
seedvmisinformation in the media to sway elections and when unsuccessful
went further harrassing manipulating planting people to wreck the
president and elections
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (ZA8br)
Make your lists. Check them twice. Then encrypt them.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (1CjJc)
and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct ....."
Wow. This could have been lifted out of a parody done here in the comments.
In context. Was this the first FISA application, and series of renewals, done by these DOJ and FBI personnel? Was there a pattern of these "omissions and inaccuracies" in other applications? For a warrant that gave 2-hop access to ** a f**king presidential campaign**???
How can a spectacular, unprecedented [in significance, and nature] pattern of misconduct be other than intentional, ffs?
At a minimum, Horowitz has fatally discredited himself and maybe even the IG operation itself with this, and the absurd Mid-Year exam report [and recall - AFAWK, that outrage *was* the last word on one of the greatest, completely unpunished, scandals in our history, an Espionage Act crime wave on the 7th floor of State involving the Secretary herself - nobody will likely ever be punished for that].
Durham may well come, but this IG situation [at least for important matters] appears to be a complete trainwreck.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (El6T/)
@Techno_Fog
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18m
The Halper (FBI CHS)/Papadopoulos conversations were "conducted by the FBI" and recorded.
"The FISA application did not include the statements Papadopoulos made to his CHS that were in conflict with info included in the FISA application."
*yawn*
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (r28kI)
I disagree. I believe highly classified info is grossly mishandled every single day, and unless it's done by someone who someone else has a deep grudge against, it just gets swept under the rug because "everybody does it".
And to answer the obvious question, yes, I believe the vast majority of employees in the FBI and CIA are incompetent overcredentialed pencil pushers.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (trdmm)
I love the "errors were made " We make those "errors" and our butts are in jail
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (6XlcD)
This is what upsets me the most from the events of the past 4 years. I know deep down we all "knew" there were 2 sets of laws - one for them, one for us.. But seeing it so blatantly flaunted in our face is infuriating.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (Vy7tf)
As for me, it's breasts FTW!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (q1Pj5)
@Techno_Fog
·
2m
The worst accusations against
@carterwpage
- that he was was offered a "bribe" in return for lifting sanctions - turned out to be a Steele lie.
Texts from the "sub-source" never even discussed a bribe.
mistakes were made
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (vEIlU)
Can Barr/Durham get Page or Sztrok to flip?
That's the question
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (CEYxb)
Flip on what? This IG report vindicates them.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (CQ3Qb)
Why isn't Nadler dead? He's like a waddling, talking ad for high cholesterol.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: The Whirlwind at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (cGJ7O)
We will just have to accept the fact that leftists like Hillary can be allowed to destroy evidence, and have their accomplices given immunity for obvious crimes while our guys are hunted down for non-crimes based on lies. And the GOPe is fine with it.
Posted by: Thatch at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (zW1B4)
Reminds me of the Clinton administration; "We ain't crooked, we're just incompetent".
Posted by: timactual at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (pPXFf)
ITS FUNNY CAUSE SOMEONE IN THE FBI PASSED A FISA APPLICATION TO FISC WITH COMPLETE BULLSHIT IN IT FOR THE JUSTIFICATION TO SPY ON THE HIGHEST OFFICE HOLDER IN THE LAND, AND NO BODY DISPUTES THE FACTS OF THE CASE, AND NOBODY IS GOING TO BE PUNISHED AND THE JUDGE DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE AND MANY OF THOSE INVOLVED IN IT ARE PRESIDING OVER AN IMPEACHMENT HEARING.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (ymnmz)
@jsolomonReports
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2m
IG excoriates FBI conduct in Russia probe, concludes FISA court was misled. AG Barr says report substantiates 'clear abuse of FISA process'
Happy John Solomon.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)
Agreed - he's a hopeless optimist who has way, way too much faith in bureaucrats "doing the right thing". But no way is he a moby or a troll."
Agreed on all points. Jack is a wealth of information about procedure and has pored through the relevant documents. His analysis is flawed when he leans on how things are supposed to operate in a democratic republic. The United States no longer is one. If viewed through how a corrupt Banana Empire would handle X, the conclusion is more likely to be correct.
The idea that there would be a disinformation agent sent to AoSHQ, let alone Jack would be the guy, is ludicrous.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (V35Xz)
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (N39Ws)
They're in the "show-off" phase now. They're so entrenched, and win so often, that now they're directly shoving it in your face.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (sm6Pk)
Lord forgive me, but I wish most of these plotters dead every day now.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (AFSld)
[x] Ballot Box
[ ] Jury Box
[ ] Ammo Box
Don't make us go through that whole list, government. Please.
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forget about the jury box: no one is going to be indicted, let alone arrested and tried, (as if a DC jury would convict) so your only other option is submission to the Deep State and the Uni-party.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (NYIfp)
I'm a pessimist who wishes she were an optimist, so I don't feel any hostility, but I think there's a certain amount of self-protection in "attacking" those who present uncomfortable negative information and theories.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (Rarvo)
I'm pessimistic enough, and not following the comments all that closely but I can imagine a three times daily dose of "look, nothing has happened yet all is lost" can get a little old.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (q1Pj5)
Mmmmmmm.......booobsss......
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (FEQY4)
I figured that over a year ago. Someone bought his site and he's not running it at all any longer. The tone shifted completely right after Trump won, and that's not reasonable for someone to suddenly do.
I mean, he might have noticed his hits are plummeting because who wants to go to a 1990s era aggregate site when you can get better info elsewhere, so he decided to go nevertrump foolishly but... I don't think so.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (KZzsI)
That's what these people have been saying since the Obama administration.
Here's the problem: what happens when the hoi polloi comes to believe it, too? Because that may start to happen. For some, it has already begun. For others, it won't begin until they get that speeding ticket, or they see their husband or daughter get railroaded and then compare it to what has been done to (for) our betters.
You don't have to be too tuned-in for the tumblers to fall into place.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (ZGrMX)
Stem Cells and Child Blood Transfusions.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (sm6Pk)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (ZA8br)
Well interfering with elections isn't new. Valerie Plame under the Bush admin, and I understand the CIA has done similar things under previois Republican presidents. They crossed the line from corrupt factional jockeying to espionage here, though the Clintons may have done so previously with FBI files on their opponents.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (M+Lyo)
Whaddaya mean start?
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (3ZQT1)
There is no judicial or electoral recourse to this corruption. There's only one box remaining. God help us all.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (uGHnY)
Posted by: Concerned People's Front, Unbanned Chapter at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (vGJY7)
This all sounds EXACTLY like the last report. Funny, that.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (H8QX
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"Past is prelude." -- From my upcoming book [not really] entitled "Wisdom Lost"
Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (eHhEy)
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (V35Xz)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Yeah, I was one of those guys who Jack was kind of upset overt when I suggested that a whitewash by the IG now would be the last thing that the Durham investigation wanted - its a defense team's gold mine. It makes Barrs/Durham's job really very tough now. But in Jack's defense, he really truly felt that the IG report wouldn't hurt their case...I think it's devastating, but I think Jack would still disagree.
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (32YRo)
Holding out for Durham. Still not holding my breath.
If all the miscreants are allowed to recover we are in dire shape. . no idea what our realegal options are at that point.
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (ZA8br)
Now it's like everyone knew this was going to be nothing.
Huh.
Posted by: blaster
Exactly. Who in the hell have I been arguing with? My position have never changed.
I want a body count for the coup/treason. And no one is going to go to jail.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (I3OPu)
Posted by: jhawk90 at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (/ZYFC)
Castor is like Ambien. Ugh. Doug Collins was excoriating someone earlier, and that was actually fun.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (ptqGC)
The whole day has been staff attorneys examining other staff attorneys, re-summarizing what has been summarized before. Yawn.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (q1Pj5)
That I think is the most frustrating thing. It so blatant now, they look you straight in the eye, spit on your face, then walk away laughing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (9V81o)
@MZHemingway
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3m
Spying "implicated constitutionally protected activity," but IG says wasn't done "solely" to monitor opposition party's campaign so it's fine. IG remarkably nonplussed, though will admit concern activity could have led to "incidental receipt of sensitive campaign information."
heh
"solely"
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (vEIlU)
The idea that there would be a disinformation agent sent to AoSHQ, let alone Jack would be the guy, is ludicrous.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)
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Yeah. Not him. Now, the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group maintains operatives on virtually all political message boards, so they've probably sent some around. But I doubt they get much traction here, and roll out fairly quickly. There have been a couple I've been suspicious about. Won't say who, in case I'm wrong.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: Sam Adams at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (VDbGO)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)
I am tempted to come up with a more formal definition for this.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (7nTlT)
Yeah, we're totally running with it.
Posted by: ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, et al at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (w7KSn)
Well you couple together Horowitz's white wash reports and the ICIG working with Schiff to synthesize a whistleblower complaint for the purposes of impeachment and you have all the evidence you need about what the IGs role is in the political firmament.
They are tools of the Deep State.
Like everything else seems to be.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (JveFw)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (ZA8br)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (3ZQT1)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (N39Ws)
[x] Ballot Box
[ ] Jury Box
[ ] Ammo Box
Don't make us go through that whole list, government. Please.
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forget about the jury box: no one is going to be indicted, let alone arrested and tried, (as if a DC jury would convict) so your only other option is submission to the Deep State and the Uni-party. "
I assumed Christopher meant that in context of nullification. I've been there since Comey whitewashed the Clinton investigation.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (iw59Q)
"I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff," Durham said. "However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S."
Meanwhile, Attorney General William Barr ripped the FBI's "intrusive" investigation after the release of Horowitz's review, saying it was launched based on the "thinnest of suspicions."
"The Inspector General's report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken," Barr said in a statement.
Barr expressed frustration that the FBI continued investigating the Trump campaign, even as "exculpatory" came to the light.
"It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory," Barr said. "Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump's administration."
Barr said the FISA report shows a "clear abuse" of the surveillance process.
"In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source," Barr said.
He added, "The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory. While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector General's report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process."
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (FBrfY)
I was told that was happening and should just wait for it to reveal itself. I suppose, we still need to keep waiting for it.
I'll wait another #twoweeks, but after that I'm going start losing hope in certain people's analytic abilities.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (wAc7x)
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But Barr gave him a going away party!
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (bloh/)
Not that I've see.... I like what Durham said but they better wrap their investigation up soon.. Trump is on a fast track to impeachment
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (6XlcD)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (I3OPu)
- Mom/wife= Deep State/administrative state
- Dad = Trump/MAGA party
- kids = American citizens
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (gwQ4h)
And to answer the obvious question, yes, I believe the vast majority of employees in the FBI and CIA are incompetent overcredentialed pencil pushers.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (trdmm)
Ex Wife was a Chief Petty Officer in the Navy.
Messed up some paperwork on chain of custody for some classified material.
Was essentially kicked out of the Navy (not recommended for re-enlistment).
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: I Have Questions at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (BvNzB)
Posted by: Sam Adams at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (VDbGO)
Not at all. He's an SDNY donk who worked with Comey and interned with Mueller. He's just dishonest, and pretty brazen about it.
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (U7k5w)
I figured that over a year ago. Someone bought his site and he's not running it at all any longer. The tone shifted completely right after Trump won, and that's not reasonable for someone to suddenly do.
I mean, he might have noticed his hits are plummeting because who wants to go to a 1990s era aggregate site when you can get better info elsewhere, so he decided to go nevertrump foolishly but... I don't think so.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (KZzsI)
To me, it doesn't matter. He sold his name, he sold his soul. The website carries his name. He didn't announce the sale, let them keep the name. The direction it goes reflects directly on him.
Fuck him. Reap it, whore.
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (Zz0t1)
1. Upper-level decision-makers are not guilty because they were uninformed by the lower-level agents.
2. Lower level agents are not guilty because they didn't make the decisions.
...and that, boys and girls, is how deep state magic works.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (qu1px)
I dont think so. The left can delude themselves into thinking that. The millions that MAGA will never accept that and the left knows it. Let's see what they can do about that. We've been given enough examples with California and the cities. Our eyes are open wide: Virginia you first.
Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (mO8tz)
Then read the IG's conclusion about intentionality. But don't be drinking good booze or red wine with a white shirt when you do.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (El6T/)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (ZA8br)
Most of us are defending him.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (77WPm)
if I make "careless" errors like this I don't just get reprimanded. I'm
lucky to end the day employed once they're found out.
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (9V81o)
Yes, but you're little people. Deplorable. Common clay. You know, a moron!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: Sam Adams at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (VDbGO)
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Was he a friend of Epstein who didn't kill himself?
Posted by: Boots at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (oGBso)
Posted by: nip at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (Izot6)
It would seem to be a good test - Are they always this 'sloppy' or just when they are dealing with (this) Republicans?
Posted by: Caspar Whiteberger at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (1g7ch)
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Ha, ha. MUMR must be a mind-reader because I'm using Lamisil on my aged dad's left foot once a night!
Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (Dh1wo)
imo, exposing Obama's guy Whitaker is part of the process ... we have to see if more indictments come out of Ukraine, and if getting this report out of the way indicates they are ready to move into indictment phase ... idk, time will tell, we wait ... but yeah, lots of fake hope put on Whitaker ... now we get more impeachment 24/7 through Christmas ... great.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (ZA8br)
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (sm6Pk)
Been there for a while. The handling of Fort Hood, Fast and Furious and Benghazi were particularly appalling in their sheer chutzpah. I lived so angry back then. I refuse to do that now.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (3ZQT1)
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (P96+U)
Posted by: jewells45 at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (BLT3V)<<<
We'll save millions on the makeup budget alone!
**squirt**
Posted by: FOX News accountants at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (yk557)
Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (Pg+x7)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (oiW2a)
I suspect he's not here because he's either working or actually reading the report.
But for gosh sake's, he's a longtime commenter - as in, pretty much from the beginning of this blog - and has lots of good things to say and he's definitely not a troll or disinformation agent!
Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (I3OPu)
Okay, now THAT pisses me off!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (q1Pj5)
Yeah, in this context, jury box doesn't mean prosecution, it means rebellion by the jury -- nullification -- as an expression of the peoples' power against the state. That's why it is where it is in the sequence, an increasing demonstration of the rage of the citizens against their government.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (KZzsI)
1. Upper-level decision-makers are not guilty because they were uninformed by the lower-level agents.
2. Lower level agents are not guilty because they didn't make the decisions.
...and that, boys and girls, is how deep state magic works.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (qu1px)
Any bureaucracy really. The cover up effort is not so surprising, or even offensive, as the attempt to overthrow the President.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (7nTlT)
SFSG
Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (u6xw0)
- Dad = Trump/MAGA party
- kids = American citizens
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (gwQ4h)
More like:
Parents = Deep State
Rich Eccentric Uncle = Trump
kids = American citizens
We'll need to prove the parents unfit.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:36 PM (H8QX8)
It would seem to be a good test - Are they always this 'sloppy' or just when they are dealing with (this) Republicans?
Posted by: Caspar Whiteberger at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (1g7ch)
I'm sure there are leftists that they have axes to grind for as well as Republicans, and that they fuck up by accident as well and fudge the results.
People are People.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:36 PM (eoQWY)
Come in, man. If you really believe that I have a bridge you might be interested in.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:36 PM (U7qMl)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)
Maybe Jack Straw just thinks people will do the honest and right thing. I think they will do what suits their purposes no matter how much they have to bend reality. Yes, there are some honest people, but Horowitz' work has always been like this. I did not expect him to change, especially when the stakes were high for his Obamunist teammates.
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:36 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Jen the original
Not everything.
But unpunished crimes bordering on treason does.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (rpxSz)
Well I don't KNOW he sold it, so I was trying to consider two possibilities:
1) He did sell
2) he didn't sell and went NT to try to boost numbers
I'm inclined to believe #1. But as a homosexual man, sometimes they will react very oddly to political changes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (6XlcD)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (PZkLm)
Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (/669Q)
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But people are putting words in his mouth, so that means he's a troll.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: willow
Its not Jack's fault the IG report is complete mess - no one to blame but Horrowitz. He's a complete putz. But that was known.
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (32YRo)
SFSG
Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (u6xw0)
Strongly endorsed. It's not what's right for you, it's what will get you through.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (RD7QR)
At this point I have got well past hot anger and into a cold fury.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (koNhm)
that sucker needs to be drum outta the pond
Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (rpxSz)
Another Obama appointee that should have been dismissed. Thanks, Jeff Sessions.
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (6XlcD)
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We're need to scour the entirety of Rhode Island to find him.
Should take...30 minutes or so.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (I3OPu)
Okay, now THAT pisses me off!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (q1Pj5)
Tis better to be pissed off, then pissed on.
Shit Petty Officer Romeo13 said.
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (oiW2a)
We don't really need competing reports, we can just use this one. There's plenty of wrongdoing in there, and there's no need to accept the 'no harm no foul couldn't be helped' line.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (G0vdT)
That's funny, because the last two threads have been wall-to-wall JackStraw bashing. Jack himself has said repeatedly that the IG report was going to be a whitewash.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (ZGrMX)
Well I think the hostility directed towards Jack would be better directed at the one or two that really seemed like they wanted to sniff his jock that anytime he gave an optimistic view went attacking anyone didn't want to wear rose colored glasses.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (CLxlH)
Fuck that guy in particular.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (Z4rgH)
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (l3+k2)
Frank Drebin Horowitz: Nothing to see here. Move along.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (Un9AW)
Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (TlQrr)
1. Upper-level decision-makers are not guilty because they were uninformed by the lower-level agents.
2. Lower level agents are not guilty because they didn't make the decisions.
...and that, boys and girls, is how deep state magic works.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (qu1px)
+++++++++++++
It's lousy magic. Not even a three-year-old at a birthday party would find the effect compelling.
But yes, this seems to be a nice summary.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: John McCains aneurysms at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (dK4Ur)
Shit Petty Officer Romeo13 said.
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (NgKpN)
Twenty bucks, same as in town.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (KZzsI)
And by Top. Men they mean otters.
We are being ruled by a cabal of otters.
Posted by: Just Lily at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (pbyBh)
Posted by: John McCains aneurysms at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (dK4Ur)
+++++++++++++
I assume he's working or reading the report.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (I2dne)
yes.
Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (Pg+x7)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (32YRo)
Not by the Epoch Times guy who loved him so. He, with his "Soon" nonsense, did a loving tribute to Horowitz and Sessions just last evening.
I don't think that even he traffics in disinformation, just wish casting and fan fiction. He is a Western fiction "writer" and his work came complete with the guys in white hats.
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (U7k5w)
Some of You can be wrong.
Lol
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (PZkLm)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (KZzsI)
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He's not trusting of the system. He's trusting of Trump and, by extension, Barr.
Trump's assertion that they've caught the swamp is the sort of thing that he clings to. "Trump is happy about the state of things, and he knows more about this stuff than any of us. Patience."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (q80AH)
It does bother me that Horowhatz did not fact check his own ass by when writing everything off as 'errors' by pulling a random sample of work done by the same actors and checking their typical accuracy. That is what is done in audits, no?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (nNEyX)
Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (rpxSz)
It's IP value is in Drudge himself. If he really did sell, and that gets out, somebody overpaid.
Posted by: Boots at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (oGBso)
Well the man does have a job, and honestly I wouldn't blame him for avoiding these threads for now.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (KZzsI)
And by Top. Men they mean otters.
We are being ruled by a cabal of otters.
Posted by: Just Lily at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (pbyBh)
Really more of an anarcho syndicalistic commune of otters.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (iMxDC)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (jKBVK)
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo
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True, and I don't really get that either. I really want those guys to be right, I just don't think they are. No need to get pissed at them about it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (AzW6q)
All non trolls here love the country and are pissed off at how it's been subverted, including by the GOP so called saviors. Taking down the derp state isn't a quick opp and people here are frustrated by the slow pace; and take out their frustration on their erstwhile allies.
None of this is surprising.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (PZkLm)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (aJkzG)
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (CmURZ)
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (sX1BW)
None of this is surprising.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)
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*peeks around the corner*
-Otter
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)
I am tempted to come up with a more formal definition for this."
Please do. I cribbed it from lunatic comments on whackjob websites, but despite the sources thought it funny. In recent years I decided it was accurate, but it can be improved.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (7nTlT)
Weekly rotations of leadership? I'm in.
Posted by: Peasant Dennis Otter at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (q1Pj5)
Well I don't KNOW he sold it, so I was trying to consider two possibilities:
1) He did sell
2) he didn't sell and went NT to try to boost numbers
I'm inclined to believe #1. But as a homosexual man, sometimes they will react very oddly to political changes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (KZzsI)
Even some of the original NT crowd found reasons to come back into the fold as time went on - Beck, say, and some GOPers like Cruz. And after the election seems like an odd time to do the flipping based on some ideological transgression. What would that have been? Jerusalem or Abortion support? Dissing the Academy Awards?
If you were independently thinking of it as a business decision it would be hard to justify flipping after the election and then not flipping back once the loss of views and fans started to kick in.
If it is a backer's policy, well, just keep on plugging for your paycheck.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Maj. Tom at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (3+bkj)
If this is allowed to stand it will be a very bad precedent where pretty much anything goes as long as those abusing their powers don't put in writing that they are abusing their powers.
Posted by: Thatch at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (zW1B4)
Jack Straw is Carlos
Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (rpxSz)
Straw is Einhorn. Einhorn is Straw!
Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (G0vdT)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (GPz65)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (iVmfy)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (KP5rU)
Not quite lawless - in fact we have several sets of laws!
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (M9ntN)
I wonder what the NeverTrumpers are up to?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (ptqGC)
A little drinking, a little dancing, a little prepping the wife for the cuckery.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (aJkzG)
Then read the IG conclusion about inability to document the behavior was "intentional".
I assume Durham has info from outside DOJ that will bear on the issue. But the IG's ridiculous straddle about gross abuses from horizon to horizon, and yet doubts about whether they were intentional, really should be the kill-shot for him, and/or the IG system itself.
Yeah yeah we just print zillions of $$$ to cover guvamint budgets [and it's no longer even a topic, much less an issue, in the political arena], but the IG budget looks like a source for savings.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (El6T/)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (ptqGC)
1. Of course we were careful not to look for any such evidence - nor could we tell you what such evidence look like if we did accidentally stumble across any. Nobody at the FBI is stupid enough to actually admit to biased activity. So even when Stzrok said in an email "We'll stop him" we deduced that meant a traffic stop looking for smelly Wallmart voters being smuggled into the country - which is certainly a matter for predicated Bureau investigation.
Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (mdsFe)
Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (G0vdT)
It was always: the honest, hard-working rank and file will never stand for this, you'll see! Sessions isn't sleepy, he is making unseen moves that will soon bring results.
That is absolute trust in the system.
Posted by: Sjg at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (gDSJf)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (iVmfy)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (jKBVK)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (ptqGC)
++++++++++++++
Same as the rest of the elite, I reckon.
They're conferring with each other about whether to:
1) Crow about how there was no wrongdoing and that the FBI just needs to tighten up some of its loose shit
2) Acknowledge the wrongdoing in the main report and try to cover for the state
3) Ignore it after some snarky commentary about conspiracy theories.
Of those, I suspect it is #1 or #3.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (I2dne)
It was always: the honest, hard-working rank and file will never stand for this, you'll see! Sessions isn't sleepy, he is making unseen moves that will soon bring results.
That is absolute trust in the system.
Posted by: Sjg at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (gDSJf)
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It's also not what JackStraw says.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (q80AH)
It's IP value is in Drudge himself. If he really did sell, and that gets out, somebody overpaid.
Posted by: Boots at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (oGBso)
I suspect the real matt drudge is already out there making money under another name.
He was constantly being attacked and he warned us that he was afraid he would be destroyed and that his site would not last much longer, etc. He was under constant legal assault. We can all appreciate that.
If he decided to play games - so be it.
It's his life.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (iVmfy)
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Me too, willow. Me too.
Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (/669Q)
I call BS on both Barr and Durham. They are both integral parts of the same corruption machine.
They are faking just like everyone else is.
Posted by: Erik at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (R6qYB)
None of this is surprising.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)
Sure, but that is what the proverbial dog or cat to kick is for. And certainly here you can vent to your hearts content on this or that crap politico or kleptocrat without causing offense.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: I Have Questions at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (BvNzB)
Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (u6xw0)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (ptqGC)
always makes me laugh
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: StefanH at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (X4HjY)
Posted by: Thatch at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (zW1B4)
Heh - it's cute how you seem to think that Republicans would be in any way able to take advantage of this "precedent".
Hell, the current Republican POTUS is about to be impeached simply for asking someone to investigate something a Democrat politician was drunk-bragging about in an open forum. And for, wait for it, TREASON.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (77WPm)
Evidently they failed to learn from October:
Sports Illustrated shaken by major layoffs and massive reorganization https://tinyurl.com/yy6jvzz8
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (FBrfY)
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (eoQWY)
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You must be new here.
Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (/669Q)
So of course no reasonable Inspector could infer malign intent.
Posted by: Mr Magoo, IG at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (koNhm)
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (Izzlo)
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (CEYxb)
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)
**
Jack! Is that you?!
Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (u6xw0)
Who do they think is going to pay taxes, serve on juries, or sign up for military service if this stands?
Not me or mine.
Posted by: attila the thrilla at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (M9ntN)
If we've learned anything, we've learned that the nature of Man can't be limited by laws. The Founders were wrong - nobody is bound by the chains of Constitution. That's quite literally not how any of this works.
This will only be fixed by a re-division of the balance of power. And that's not going to be pretty or painless.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (UdYkW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (cEsBM)
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (Izzlo)
The jokes write themselves.
Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (u6xw0)
I figured that over a year ago. Someone bought his site and he's not running it at all any longer. The tone shifted completely right after Trump won, and that's not reasonable for someone to suddenly do.
I mean, he might have noticed his hits are plummeting because who wants to go to a 1990s era aggregate site when you can get better info elsewhere, so he decided to go nevertrump foolishly but... I don't think so.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (KZzsI)
To me, it doesn't matter. He sold his name, he sold his soul. The website carries his name. He didn't announce the sale, let them keep the name. The direction it goes reflects directly on him.
Fuck him. Reap it, whore.
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He got Google Money. That's who is ruling it now. He's still got an interest in it, but he's not calling the shots anymore. Actually, I think it was a combination of the carrot and the stick. The offered him ridiculous money, then dropped an oppo research file on him. He decided to take the money.
Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (7P7NR)
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I actually have a lot more faith in Americans than others do.
It may take a while, but eventually we usually get things right.
With that being said, I'm also realistic enough to realize that things never continue forever.
But its not just wanting your country to survive. You want it to survive in a way that matters to you.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (sX1BW)
For clam chowders
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (CEYxb)
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Soooo close. Manhattan and RI need to switch places.
Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (/669Q)
Hey the deep state may have abused their powers, let's use agents of the deep state to investigate that!
Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (+dsLj)
That's almost certain that there's an NDA involved. But Drudge traffic was down by tens of millions over the last two years or so, which means people can tell there's a difference. And now there are multiple competitors coming out (Dan Bongino's and at least one other one), so the blood's obviously in the water.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: IG Horowitz at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (88+cf)
Posted by: StefanH
No. And MAGA has totally ignored what they wrote Thursday morning.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (7jTtI)
The essence of the executive summary.
1. Upper-level decision-makers are not guilty because they were uninformed by the lower-level agents.
2. Lower level agents are not guilty because they didn't make the decisions.
...and that, boys and girls, is how deep state magic works.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (qu1px)
3. A group of peepo came to a consensus and therefore no bias or criminal intent was present.
Posted by: FBI Suits at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (M9ntN)
It wasn't that great of a movie. Way too many blue wangs to boobs ratio.
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (Izzlo)
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (U7k5w)
Of course you do, you festering ass-boil.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (cGJ7O)
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Azathoth at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (sLFUK)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (cEsBM)
If only he had the power to, maybe, relieve said IG of his duties.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (77WPm)
I think we've all learned a valuable lesson here.
Posted by: IG Horowitz at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (88+cf)
How dare you! You have stolen my adulthood!
Posted by: Greta Thunepeak at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (aJkzG)
Will Barr come thru and at least charge the shit stains?
Someone needs to burn for this.
(Goes back to building ARs and general gun stuff)
Posted by: SuberE at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (EPXLU)
Posted by: Lucy Van Pelt at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (jKBVK)
Posted by: Epstein Will Feel Better After His Nap at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (g5UVy)
Hurricane investigation. The supervisor did not memorialize the results of the briefing of candidate Clinton and her advisors."
But, of course!
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (qu1px)
off at how it's been subverted, including by the GOP so called saviors.
Taking down the derp state isn't a quick opp and people here are
frustrated by the slow pace; and take out their frustration on their
erstwhile allies.
None of this is surprising.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)
Like I said, this is a buildup phase. Every major event of liberation in history seems to have one. It washes the scales from your eyes, it clears your mind, focuses your purpose, reveals your path, exposes the true enemies, and gives you the strength of righteousness to kill with power at the precise time.
In simpler terms, its like when popeye says "I've taken all I can stands, and I can't stands no more. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (9Om/r)
Posted by: rammajamma at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (PQRcz)
Posted by: Erik at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (R6qYB)
I think so. They had to see if they could throttle back the anger a bit. It seems to have worked.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (eoQWY)
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You must be new here.
Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (/669Q)
Naw, in fact I took about 4 or 5 years off of here in the run up to the Romney election till after Trump was elected because of all the counterblasting.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (eoQWY)
They needed a black and white rule "do not spy on political campaigns?"
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (vPKfA)
Posted by: Lois Griffin at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (z6z5Y)
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (9221z)
Yeah but that's the President and the AG, hence, the system. And Trump always oversells, I'm not buying wine from him based on his endorsement, let alone the future of the republic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (MLfDH)
Posted by: Azathoth at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (sLFUK)
Yeah, "I'm not partisan, just incompetent" is a great resume-enhancer. That said, she'll have a show on CNN by Q2 2020 I'm sure.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (77WPm)
That's almost certain that there's an NDA involved. But Drudge traffic was down by tens of millions over the last two years or so, which means people can tell there's a difference. And now there are multiple competitors coming out (Dan Bongino's and at least one other one), so the blood's obviously in the water.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (ZGrMX)
J.J.'s Morning Report is better than Drudge. Except Drudge gives weird news like UFO sightings & exorcisms. I like weird news.
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (Izzlo)
(1) "Further, the failure to update OI on all significant case developments relevant to the FISA applications led us to conclude that the agents and supervisors did not give appropriate attention or treatment to the facts that cut against probable cause, or reassess the information supporting probable cause as the investigation progressed."
(2) + OIG cites overwhelming evidence of inaccuracies, omissions and failure to follow procedures re all FISA warrants;
(3) Therefore, the OIG has initiated an audit of FBI compliance with Woods Procedures.
Hey Horowitz -- MORON -- If you conduct investigations and the only result of the investigation is more investigations, and there are no recommended penalties or repercussions with the things that, you know, you actually find in your investigation, then WHAT'S THE FRIGGING POINT?!
I give up morons. The real bottom line conclusion of the OIG Report is that we've lost the nation. We live in a facsimile of a Republic governed by a Constitution.
In fact, our Country is governed by the Democratic Party and their unelected surrogates in the federal Bureaucracy, the Media and Academia.
Be very very afraid. All of us that have ever posted on this site (and other conservative ones) are undoubtedly on a list somewhere, and its just a matter of time before we pay a price for not submitting to the Democrat Overlord.
Posted by: RichardWindsor at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (DRgs8)
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)
I am tempted to come up with a more formal definition for this."
Please do. I cribbed it from lunatic comments on whackjob websites, but despite the sources thought it funny. In recent years I decided it was accurate, but it can be improved.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (iw59Q)
Rule by a foreign and exploitative elite class, while maintaining the pretense of another form of government, of a multitude of nations.
In regards to the foreign designation, that applies not in the technical sense but the more important sense that urban elites have more in common and act as a class/group with urban elites from other countries(this is the source of many problems). They are in a sense internationalist while despising everyone outside of their group(and so are also foreign to the nation in which they reside, ss it is foreign to them).
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (7nTlT)
We know what she did.
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Wouldn't it be great if her house was raided and she was arrested on Christmas Eve?
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (gmo/4)
I like big clams I cannot lie.
You other brothers cannot deny.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (KP5rU)
Who wants chowder?
Posted by: Lois Griffin at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (gmo/4)
Corn or Clam?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (aJkzG)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (9Om/r)
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Yes, this is the pony to be found in this pile of shit, and the Trump Presidency in general. He eposes the corruption, and gives people time and clarity to prepare for the physical phase of revolt. That's why I see his reelection as being very important - not for anything he will do. We need more time. The next Democrat will crack down, and kick shit off. The more time we have before that, the better.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Azathoth at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (sLFUK)
That's the problem. Trump's track record of personnel choices ain't great. Not at all.
I'll vote for Trump again - but I think he'd be better off picking names out of a hat. Trump Picked Him is not a ringing endorsement of Barr.
I do not trust Barr.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (UdYkW)
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (U7k5w)
So it's not exactly like any of this is a shock here.
Just wondering what it takes for anyone else to figure it out, I guess.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Democrats, Media, and Deep State:
Hostis Humani Generis
at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (Rvlwi)
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (cGJ7O)
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (MLfDH)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (cEsBM)
In writing.
Let's see some action now.
Actions speak louder than words.
Or so I've heard
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (CmURZ)
Me too, but every day is JJ's birthday so he's very busy.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (ZGrMX)
I'd scoff at that but...
Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.
Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God help us.
Soooo close. Manhattan and RI need to switch places.
I agree. I like all three but New England > Rhode Island > Manhattan
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (KZzsI)
If no one steps up and stops it, it's Game Over, Man!
Country is on a precipice.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2019 02:56 PM (4fdba)
"The supervisor memorialized the results of the briefing in an official
FBI document, including instances where he was engaged by Trump and
Flynn, as well as anything he considered related to the FBI or pertinent
to the Crossfire
Hurricane investigation. The supervisor did not memorialize the results of the briefing of candidate Clinton and her advisors."
But, of course!
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (qu1px)
Just an oversight. Honest accident. Weird how they all break against PDT. Oh well no intent.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 02:56 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (7nTlT)
Closest historical thing with a name I know of is a Mandarinate. And they had to pass a test to get in.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:56 PM (eoQWY)
the not even pretending to do work for the rest of the year stage so that's nice.
Cheezburgers for everyone!!!
a weasel
https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/19/12/2/NDedIBIhfkm2WD1zLJOWrA2.mp4
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (Izzlo)
I do miss the old Radio show that had the weird news UFO's etc. that was on late at night.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (dKiJG)
Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.
Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God help us.
Soooo close. Manhattan and RI need to switch places.
I agree. I like all three but New England > Rhode Island > Manhattan
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (KZzsI)
Someone wrote it on the wall where the banana was eaten in the art exhibit.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (eoQWY)
You other brothers cannot deny.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (q1Pj5)
Hey, sailor!
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (1CjJc)
Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.
Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God help us.
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (KZzsI)
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It's weird and spooky. It reminds me of "Who is John Galt" from Atlas Shrugged.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (KP5rU)
I bet she could scratch out a modest living on chatterbate.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (UdYkW)
Posted by: rammajamma at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (PQRcz)
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Barr at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (6A9Kg)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (I2dne)
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So, you're saying that Epstein is hiding out in Galt's Gulch?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (PZkLm)
that is not my dad....
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (FhXTo)
Strong disagree. It's nothing like clam chowder, but the Campbells version at least is extremely tasty.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (ZGrMX)
Without going too much into details: Much of my personal depression
comes from learning, at an early age, that the people who are supposed
to be responsible for your well-being will fail you. Sometimes even by
acting against those who actually will act in your interests.
So it's not exactly like any of this is a shock here.
Just wondering what it takes for anyone else to figure it out, I guess.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Democrats, Media, and Deep State:
Hostis Humani Generis
at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (Rvlwi)
Cuthbert Rule Number One- Everyone, EVERYONE,want to eat your lunch and take your shit. Especially government bureaucrats.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (3sOO0)
In Mexico they have the cartels, in America we have the alphabet deep state.
Posted by: rammajamma at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (PQRcz)
At least the cartels admit their behavior is criminal.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (aJkzG)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (ycWCI)
Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.
Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God help us.
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The Hunter Biden stuff seems to have the same effect.
No one - even the left - no one believes that Hunter Biden didn't have that job purely for the corruptible influence it would have on the VP.
And those types of positions are rampant in America - why was Hillary on Walmart Board?
But Hunter is in a whole different class of immoral ne'erdowells.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (sX1BW)
opportunity to call you all suppurating anus boils, you wonderful people
you.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (RD7QR)
I see your suppurating anus boils and raise you an impacted anal fistula, you wiper of other peoples bottoms.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (RD7QR)
Well, then, a Merry F*ing Xmas to you too, sir!
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (vVOK2)
How people stopped pretending Kwanzaa was a real thing. Years now, people just don't even bring it up any longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (KZzsI)
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National Divorce
Mainstream and Support Secessionist Parties
Any secession friendly state *ahem Texas/Alaska* should update their national guard and train them accordingly to defend against federal intrusion.
Finally, secession needs to be done without regard to federal law. for example there are several townships in Colorado that want to secede, but to do so it has to be approved by the Denver government, which is just bullshit. The people you want to secede from are the ones who decide if you can secede? Fuck that shit.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (+dsLj)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (q80AH)
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No, I'm saying that the viral uptake of verbal shibboleth like that, especially one that effectively says to the state, "you're lying and I don't believe you about anything" probably doesn't imply great things about our current state.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (cGJ7O)
I've been called worse.. BY BETTER PEOPLE THAN YOU A_HOLE !!
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (zr5Kq)
I'd expect that as a politically tuned document, its going to say bad things in passive voice and make throat clearing noises all while mumbling. But when you tweeze it apart, it'll say some seemingly pretty bad and unexplained/ unexcused shiff took place. It'll recommend training, institutional controls, and amendments to the employee handbook.
Nothing Horowitz said or did was going to put anyone in jail.
Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (1R9tp)
Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (Pg+x7)
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (7nTlT)
Closest historical thing with a name I know of is a Mandarinate. And they had to pass a test to get in.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:56 PM (eoQWY)
This happens routinely at high stages of development/later ages of a civilization.
The lingua franca is not spoken by peasants but nobles, though this particular distinction has been reversed with programs to make everyone speak the same language(which is frankly more sensible).
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (AzW6q)
The Inspector Generals report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken. It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory. Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trumps administration. In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source. The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory. While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector Generals report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (cEsBM)
I'd scoff at that but...
Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.
Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its
everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together
people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God
help us.
...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (KZzsI)
++++++++++++++++
It's weird and spooky. It reminds me of "Who is John Galt" from Atlas Shrugged.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (I2dne)
His name was Robert Paulson.
Posted by: Project Mayhem at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (l3+k2)
*******
No I'm here Junior
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (AzW6q)
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Wow. I am going to go look, but I can think of at least half a dozen topics based on this.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (I2dne)
Time to get off the Jack-Stabbing Train peeps
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (UdYkW)
Drudge himself can't publicly acknowledge that his namesake is now owned
by others."
I thought of that at first when Rasmussen said they thought he was not there, and they were waiting for confirmation. But I thought surely they could not claim it was Drudge Report and make it illegal to reveal that there is no Drudge at Drudge Report ... since the man was the product for so many years.
So maybe it is now a fully China run PsyOp, but they will advertise as "a conservative Drudge product"? Seems like false advertising, even if they just bought the name and consumer base.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (7nTlT)
Christ, does that mean that the elite's new lingua franca is quibbling about Star Trek and what the top 10 movies are?
Lord Help us.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: x at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere
We, (Texas), need to update, as in train and fund more than we do, the Texas State Guard.
Which is totally separate from the National Guard and only answers to the Governor.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (jKBVK)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (q80AH)
In August of 2016, Sessions arose from his deep slumber to set up a special task force in conjunction with DNI Coats to go after the leaks.
The first action was the firing of the FBI agent in Minnesota for leaking classified information. There are at least 26 other, active investigations.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 13, 2018 03:54 PM (/tuJf)
Horowitz actually is coming and obviously he isn't alone since he can't call a grand jury, only a prosecutor can do that. And I absolutely believe Barr will do the investigations he claims he's already started.
I think it is going to be a fun year.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2019 07:17 PM (/tuJf)
(replying to another comment)
so, now that Trump has won, that the swamp is being drained, that evidence of the deep state treachery is being revealed, where is the loyal, honorable, rank and file core? why are they not out there blowing their whistles and pointing the way to the evidence to prosecute the treacherous deep state agents?
How do you they aren't? Just because they aren't doing it in front of tv cameras doesn't mean people aren't talking behind the scene like most whistleblowers.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (/tuJf)
Yeah he definitely said none of those things. I must be imagining it.
Posted by: Sjg at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (gDSJf)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (z6z5Y)
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (eoQWY)
Come on you can't really believe this IG report and conclusions is anything but a finding of innocence of any intentional wrongdoing much less an attempt at a coup to overthrow the President.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (oiW2a)
I do not trust Barr.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (UdYkW)
Barr's clearly not happy with the way things have been going. It might be unprecedented for investigators to disagree this completely and officially with other investigators, and that's at least partly Barr's influence. I don't think Janet Reno went so far to disagree with the Starr Report.
But this is going to take some processing. I imagine this will no better than the previous IG report: a thorough explanation of all the crimes, with "please don't Epstein us" tacked on at the end. I don't trust anyone who claims they're already done reading it, unless they had early access (as the AG did).
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (6OzV/)
At the very least, it would require repeal of the 16th Amendment, and replaced by nothing.
The 16th Amendment made We The People chattel to the Ruling class within government.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (DfaM+)
How people stopped pretending Kwanzaa was a real thing. Years now, people just don't even bring it up any longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (KZzsI)
They've graduated to pretending that sexual differences aren't a real thing.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (koNhm)
Isn't that the thinking of the guy who testified against Trump today? That he didn't come out and tell Zelensky that he was bribing him, so Trump is automatically guilty, per the guy's 10 years of prosecutions of guilty people?
Sauce for the goose...
Posted by: red speck at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (nrC0n)
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (El6T/)
I wish that were true, but IG"s aren't going anywhere. More than likely, if you dig deep for days into one of the millions of regulations propagated by some agency or law that was enacted by Congress, you will find a rule requiring an agency to host and fully fund an IG's office, replete with hundreds of lawyers. It won't be something that Barr, or Manuchin or Wray, or the sec. of Ag can eliminate with a pen, nor can an EO from Trump.
Who do you all think applies to be a "government lawyer"? How do you think they get hired for a particular department in the first place. It's because they knew someone who knew someone and they applied back when a particular party was in control and they were one of the members. And they become buried in the bureaucracy.
Remember the screaming and howls from the jerks at the dept. of AG who refuse to move to where Ag is actually located to do their job? Why do you think that is, LOL. The majority of these people are there to get a paycheck and benefits and have zero interest in the subject of their job.
Also, I highly doubt Horowitz (like Mueller) interviewed and assembled this report all by himself directly. His hundreds of minion lawyers and their legal aids and their assistants are the ones who did this. He just rubber stamped it because he has no ability to actually conduct the thousands of hours of interviews and research on the agency himself. He is simply depending on his staff, many of whom he's probably never met, LOL.
And so we get an HR dictated report. I would suggest you all who are having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (v0R5T)
Mueller had no predicate, the whole thing was a sham (the Special Investigator had no predicate, was in search of a crime, never had anything). The start of the Trump/Russia fiasco also had no predicate, despite the fake evidence the FBI conjured up.
Mueller put an editorial (not his job) at the end of his investigation to dirty up Trump, saying he had not proven his innocence. Horowitz has an editorial also, but says there were lots of lies and frauds, but he couldn't prove any guilt ... assumes innocence (in the face of blatant evidence)
The pattern is clear ... we will see if there is prosecution and if the real evidence gets its day in court (not the court of public opinion that has been massaged for 3 years, going on four). DeepState influence operations ... the hydra is deep and wide.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: x at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (nFwvY)
..........
Then we only hire back 25% of them. Maybe.
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (v0R5T)
At the risk of being labeled one of the optimists, what did the report say in terms of statements of fact, vs. Horowitz conclusions?
While clearly the deep state, media and Dems were always going to spin this to be "nobody did anything criminal", I think there is probably a wealth of actual facts that buttress what we've been saying for years.
Whether or not any of that can get past the media gatekeepers is iffy, but that was always going to be the case. Macabe could be arrested, tried and executed, and CNN would keep covering impeachment.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (gVkxx)
How neat - no formal paper trail to investigate. Just Lisa Page facilitating Strzok and McCabe.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (qu1px)
Posted by: Starboardhelm at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (hOtJL)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (z6z5Y)
Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (mdsFe)
Posted by: Cooper at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (l8qDP)
Posted by: portlandon at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (+oR7L)
Posted by: PJ at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (qlTN9)
.........
PROVE IT
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (v0R5T)
This x 1000
Posted by: Ask Sherwin Williams at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (U7k5w)
He documented literally hundreds of errors, and not one of them was in Trump's favor. If all of this were merely incompetence rather than bias then how was it possible that at least some of these errors were not in Trump's favor?
If he says there may have been bias, but it was only bias to see an investigation on a matter of vital national importance was thorough and was seen through to the end then ask him why ALL of the errors in the Hillary Clinton faux investigation were in her favor?
These guys really are contemptuous of us and feel they can get away with anything.
Posted by: Thatch at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (zW1B4)
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