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IG Report Released
COMPLETE WHITEWASH
Here. I'm going to start skimming. If you see anything good, quote it in the comments, if you would be so kind.
MORE: In statement, Attorney General Bill Barr says evidence compiled by IG shows FBI "launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken." https://t.co/VDyYyO67Br
— ABC News (@ABC) December 9, 2019
Don't be surprised when media ignore or distort what the IG report says about rampant FISA abuses and the officials who perpetrated them. Democrat-affiliated media are deeply implicated in the Russia collusion hoax and desperate to avoid any accountability for it.
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) December 9, 2019
I have no doubt that that will be MSNBC's headline today no matter what the report says. https://t.co/PJ4UHMWA2Z
— Chuck Ross (@ChuckRossDC) December 9, 2019
Brennan testified under oath to the contrary: https://t.co/foDzo3TQCc
— Julie Kelly (@julie_kelly2) December 9, 2019
The AG Guidelines and the DIOG do not provide"Predication" means "pretext," effectively. The rules provide for a very low standard -- almost a complete lack of standard -- for opening up an investigation into a Republican presidential candidate. They're saying that literally anything can constitute a "good faith" reason for suspicion. Here, the "FFG" information means "Friendly Foreign Government" and refers to Alexander Downer's claim that Papadoplous said something about Russia having Hillary's emails.
heightened predication standards for sensitive matters,
or allegations potentia lly impacting constitutionally
protected activity, such as First Amendment rights.
Rather, the approval and notification requirements
contained in the AG Guidelines and the DIOG are, in
part, intended to provide t he means by which such
concerns can be considered by senior officials.
However, we were concerned to find that neither the AG
Guidelines nor the DIOG contain a provision requiring
Department consultation before opening an
investigation such as the one here involving the alleged
conduct of individuals associated with a major party
presidential campaign. Crossfire Hurricane was opened as a Full
Investigation and all of the senior FBI officials who
participated in discussions about whether to open a
case told us the information warranted opening it. For
example, then Counterintel ligence Division (CD)
Assistant Director (AD) E.W. "Bill" Priestap, who
approved the case opening, told us that the
combination of t he FFG information and the FBI 's
ongoing cyber intrusion investigation of the July 2016
hacks of the Democratic Nat ional Committee's (DNC)
emails, created a count erintelligence concern that the
FBI was "obligated" to investigate. Priestap stated that
he considered whether the FBI should conduct
defensive briefings for the Trump campaign but
ultimately decided that providing such briefings created
the risk that "if someone on the campaign was engaged
with the Russians, he/she would very likely change
his/her tact ics and/or otherwise seek to cover-up
his/her activities, thereby preventing us from finding
the truth." We did not identify any Department or FBI
policy that applied to this decision and therefore
determined t hat the decision was a judgment call that
Department and FBI policy leaves to the discretion of
FBI officia ls. We also concluded that, under the AG
Guidelines and the DIOG, the FBI had an authorized
purpose when it opened Crossfire Hurricane to obtain
information about, or protect against, a national
security threat or federal crime, even though the
investigation also had the potential to impact
constitutionally protected activity. Additionally, given the low threshold for
predication in the AG Guidelines and the DIOG..
...we concluded that the FFG information, provided by aLow threshold means "no threshold whatsoever." Now we turn to the whitewashing of bias:
government the United States Intelligence Community
(USIC) deems trustworthy, and describing a first-hand
account from an FFG employee of a conversation with
Papadopoulos, was sufficient to predicate the
investigation. This information provided the FBI with an
articulable factual basis that, if true, reasonably
indicated activity constituting either a federal crime or a
t hreat to national security, or both, may have occurred
or may be occurring. For simi lar reasons, as we detail
in Chapter Three, we concluded that the quantum of
information articulated by the FBI to open t he individual
investigations on Papadopoulos, Page, Flynn, and
Manafort in August 2016 was sufficient to satisfy the
low threshold established by the Department and the
FBI.
Oh -- there was an Interagency Consensus. I see. The omissions -- the deliberate lies and actual fraud perpetrated upon the FISA court -- is "concerning," but none of the rats confessed to having been responsible for the lies, therefore there are no lies, or at least we're going to pretend them away:
As part of our review, we also sought to
determine whether there was evidence that political
bias or other improper considerations affected decision
making in Crossfire Hurricane, including the decision to
open the investigation. We discussed t he issue of
political bias in a prior OIG report, Review of Various
Actions in Advance of the 2016 Election, where we
described text and instant messages between then
Special Counsel to the Deputy Director Lisa Page and
then Section Chief Peter Strzok, among others, that
included statements of hostility toward then candidate
Trump and statements of support for then candidate
Hillary Clinton. In this review, we found that, while Lisa
Page attended some of the discussions regarding the
opening of the investigations, she did not play a role in
the decision to open Crossfire Hurricane or the four
individual cases. We further found that while Strzok
was directly involved in the decisions to open Crossfire
Hurricane and the four individual cases, he was not the
sole, or even the highest-level, decision maker as to
any of those matters. As noted above, then CD AD
Priestap, Strzok's supervisor, was the official who
ultimately made the decision to open the investigation,
and evidence reflected that this decision by Priestap
was reached by consensus after multiple days of
discussions and meetings that included Strzok and
other leadership in CD, the FBI Deputy Director, the FBI
General Counsel, and a FBI Deputy General Counsel.
We concluded that Priestap's exercise of discretion in
opening the investigation was in compliance with
Department and FBI policies, and we did not find
documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias
or improper motivation influenced his decision. We
similarly found that, while the formal documentation
opening each of the four individual investigations was
approved by Strzok (as required by the DIOG), the
decisions to do so were reached by a consensus among
the Crossfire "Hurricane agents and analysts who
identified individuals associated with the Trump
campaign who had recently traveled to Russia or had
other alleged ties to Russia. Priestap was involved in
these decisions. We did not find documentary or
testimonial evidence that political bias or improper
motivation influenced the decisions to open the four
individual investigations.
We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applicationsThanks to artisinal 'ette for that one.
and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we
did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
part of the case agents who assisted in preparing the applications, or the agents
and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information....
Page xiv of the executive summary more or less says: "That so many basic and fundamental errorsThat via alexthechick.
were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process." There's more but all that's being done? A fucking audit.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:08 PM (3sOO0)
Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:08 PM (3sOO0)
Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 01:08 PM (CT57M)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (3sOO0)
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (oZ6kz)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (x2wJm)
Posted by: Joe Mama at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (im6pB)
Posted by: Nevyan at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (J4uXz)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (yfoZs)
The FBI should review the performance of all employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation,and take any action deemed appropriate. "
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (0GvUH)
Posted by: Old Dude at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (LGXGf)
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (77WPm)
Here's one:
"We concluded that the failures described above
and in this report represent serious performance
failures by the supervisory and non-supervisory agents with responsibility over the FISA applications."
So these are cast as oversight errors and not criminal.
Complete and total white wash.
Posted by: Fuller Brush Salesman at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (YHoQw)
So can we get some frog-marching before the end of the day?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (kw0bd)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (Dh1wo)
[Spit] I don't know why we expected accountability from bureaucrats. LITERAL BUREAUCRATIC DECIMATION NOW.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Fritz at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (2Mnv1)
Posted by: Judge Smails at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (cz8Bv)
Posted by: Mobile Goal Posts at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (6A9Kg)
Posted by: BluesFish at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (WQZ1O)
And I read the content. Woo.
Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:08 PM (3sOO0)
Ok. I laughed.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (VqhL9)
Posted by: Nevyan at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (J4uXz)
Let me guess, some GS-4 level secretarial type?
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Joe Mama at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (im6pB)
Posted by: McCool at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (sZaoP)
related individual investigations was, under Department and FBI policy, a
discretionary judgment call and that the FBI's exercise of discretion was in
compliance with those policies.]
In other words, the crooks decided it was all good.
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Bert G at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (OMsf+)
disclose that his report was politically sourced and the FBI didn't
care.
No one is going to get into any trouble at all over this.
Whatever negatives are in this report were already known months ago and
there will be no consequences for anyone.
Exactly what us "eyeores" have been saying.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (Dh1wo)
Well, she otter know.
Posted by: Linn Ridge at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (ECrgQ)
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (Izzlo)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (VqhL9)
Posted by: Low Level Cincinnati Feral Gubmint Operators at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (flINI)
-
I had joked about some employees only getting a 3.5% raise this year instead of the full 5% because of the" does not meet expectations" in one column of their annual performance review, but that's hilarious.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (0GvUH)
Anyhoo, DJT said the IG report was going to be "bad"- and I believe him, not the media organs of the IC.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (DJFLF)
@Cernovich
Oh fuck this report is bad for the FBI.
"the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to inform Department officials of significant information that was available to the team at the time that the FISA applications were drafted and filed."
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: SuberE at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (EPXLU)
=========
Remember, it's Barr's opinions that matter in terms of future actions by DOJ.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (q80AH)
I just read the nine recommendations. Not one criminal referral. What is Mollie Hemingway talking about?
It's all strengthen policy, clarify language, instruct managers, etc.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (Izzlo)
Something about otters and painful surprises.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (RD7QR)
/just made that up
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (1g7ch)
This is all I need:
We concluded that the FBI's decision to open Crossfire Hurricane and the four
related individual investigations was, under Department and FBI policy, a
discretionary judgment call and that the FBI's exercise of discretion was in
compliance with those policies.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (oiNtH)
This is a partisan report, but even the IG did not find any illegal conduct.
Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (+0uDE)
Department officials of significant information that was available to
the team at the time that the FISA applications were drafted and filed."
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (BqBId)
So f'ing what?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (VqhL9)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (7jTtI)
But I'll order moar ammo first!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (BiNEL)
it's Barr's opinions that matter in terms of future actions by DOJ.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz
======
How far into the future?
/
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (M9ntN)
The hell?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: No at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (n4Oho)
Posted by: Old Dude at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (LGXGf)
******
Might wanna read Mollie Hemingway from last thread
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (VqhL9)
It's not stopping me.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (JwHjN)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (NVYyb)
How many criminal referrals were there??
Posted by: rickb223
=======
The Nine Recommendations at the end have zero criminal referrals.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (3sOO0)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
So ANOTHER #TwoWeeks?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (I3OPu)
Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (+0uDE)
FTFY
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (BiNEL)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (CQ3Qb)
The IG can't take any action based on FIB failures however AG Barr can, according to his above statement tweeted by ABC news.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (DJFLF)
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (RU4sa)
Yep, nothing is going to happen.
Posted by: WOPR at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (rSVGg)
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (prSvo)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (3ZQT1)
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (CQ3Qb)
Nicole Wallace is such an arrogant, obnoxious bitch. She's a perfect example of the rot that is Vichy Republicans
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (mpeBU)
Julie Kelly above states that Brenner testified to the contrary. Contrary to what? Nunes quote that the Steele Dossier was used as a basis for the FISA? Or to the MSM spin? Who is Julie Kelly? DSN operative?
Posted by: Iris at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (lSFe/)
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (bloh/)
it's Barr's opinions that matter in terms of future actions by DOJ.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz
======
How far into the future?
/
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (M9ntN)
=========
Good question.
I dunno.
Though the idea that this IG report was the end of action of FISA abuse is not true. It will continue.
And, if there is a political aspect to the series of actions, having it all happen next year means a larger impact.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (oiNtH)
Because they go exactly by the book for both left and right? Give me a break.
Bias isn't how you treat Trump. Bias is how you treat Trump compared to how you treat Hillary.
It is still bias if you only show bias to the other side.
Posted by: cpurick at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (7YrFp)
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (BqBId)
No, I'm reading the report. I don't need to be told what to think.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (RD7QR)
twoweeks
Posted by: Hannity at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (6XlcD)
@RepMarkMeadows
BREAKING: IG report officially released. It reveals FBI "fell far short" in vetting accuracy of FISA applications, knowingly withheld exculpatory information, used 'defensive briefings' to secretly asses the Trump campaign, used known illegitimate sources, and more
******
Here Brian this won't help your butthurt
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (0GvUH)
Posted by: Grump928(C)
===========================
Nope, we're not.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (prSvo)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (3ZQT1)
I have it on good authority that most anything can be used to hang oneself ~Epstein, who did not kill himself
Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (3sOO0)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (vtcmf)
disclose that his report was politically sourced and the FBI didn't
care.
No one is going to get into any trouble at all over this.
Whatever negatives are in this report were already known months ago and
there will be no consequences for anyone.
Exactly what us "eyeores" have been saying."
I'm reading again but, yep. Asking the FBI to take "actions it deems appropriate" is, well, lulzy.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (VqhL9)
Further also, at least so far, all of the wild eyed conspiracy theories on the Right about what was done appear to be true.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (I3OPu)
I'm supposed to feel better that the Intel and Law Enforcement bureaucracies of the Fed.Gov can be weaponized against the opposition party POTUS campaign over foreign-sourced bullshit? Because I don't.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Lisa Page's Third Grade Teacher at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (9vQJW)
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (3ZQT1)
It would make good fire starters.
Posted by: Linn Ridge at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (ECrgQ)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: J B Sessionzzzz ex-AG at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (BiNEL)
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (bloh/)
*********
#twoweeks
Part duex
The eclectic boogaloo
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (flINI)
Posted by: I.G. C. Nothing at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (im6pB)
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Yes. A true McCain acolyte along with Steven Schmidt.
Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: Grump928(C)
You're not premature. Been the case for quite some time now.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (77WPm)
Y'all I know this looks bad but let's just calm down and wait a couple of weeks and see what Durham has.
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (bloh/)
Yanno, I actually agree with something that Pee-Lousy said in one of her heavily sedated appearances last week.
Something to the effect of:
"We (demonrats) don't agonize, we organize".
GOPes and hangers-on luvs them some crying in their pea soup.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Hannity at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (6XlcD)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (v0R5T)
It just needed to give the media and Demorcrats and their supporters DENIABILITY. That's all they needed. And they have it.Whenever it comes up, "But the IG report said it was proper..." and that will be the end of it.
Burn it all down. The whole place it corrupt to its core and it can not be saved.
Burn it down.
Posted by: Tommy V at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (GCivW)
Democrat/Media Proclamation: Mueller and House Intel Committee found no documentary evidence of Trump Collusion with Russia or Trump Bribery of Ukrainian President, but we know he committed treason, bribery, and many crimes against humanity!
Posted by: Gref at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Cheri
The IG does. He send criminal referrals to the DoJ. THEN the DoJ declines to prosecute.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (X+a7J)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (vEIlU)
Time to grease the axles on the goalposts.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (hLRSq)
Internal Justice watchdog finds that Russia probe was justified, not biased against Trump.
Authors are Ken Dilanian, Pete Williams and Julia Ainsley
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (IttZ7)
It couldn't be more of a white wash if Tom Sawyer had painted it on Aunt Polly's fence.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (BeYX8)
"In our view, this was a failure of not only the operational team, but also of the managers and supervisors, including senior officials, in the chain of command. For these reasons, we recommend that the FBI review the performance of the employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers and supervisors in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, including senior officials, and take any action deemed appropriate. In addition, given the extensive compliance failures we identified in this review, we believe that additional OIG oversight work is required to assess the FBI's compliance with Department and FBI FISA-related policies that seek to protect the civil liberties of U.S. persons. Accordingly, we have today initiated an OIG audit that will further examine the FBI's compliance with the Woods Procedures in FISA applications that target U.S. persons in both counterintelligence and counterterrorism investigations. This audit will be informed by the findings in this review, as well as by our prior work over the past 15 years on the Department's and FBI's use onational security and surveillance authorities, including authorities under FISA, as detailed in Chapter One.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: Mobile Goal Posts at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (6A9Kg)
This, then, is the story of Nadler and Schiff, et al.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (6XlcD)
Is that about right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (RD7QR) "
Actually, I'm thinking we need a new procedure, maybe call it "inverse decimation", where 1 in 10 gets to walk away.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (JwHjN)
Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (tVQUs)
So Barr beg's to disagree. And he's the boss with the power to bring charges. I guess we wait.
Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (X+a7J)
Actually, no. Today is the day we all go out and kill ourselves.
SEE?? Trump's presidency really *did* kill us all!!?!@!
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (DJFLF)
How far into the future?
/
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (M9ntN)
=========
Good question.
I dunno.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz
=======
That was a joke. The answer is, as always, #TwoWeeks.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (M9ntN)
How does that not rate as a damning conclusion?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (NVYyb)
"Michael Horowitz, the Justice Department's highly respected inspector general"
----
"Lance Link, the highly respected captain of a garbage scow"
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (DHfRi)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (pw+jk)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (KZzsI)
What the f*cking F*ck does this mean? ... THINNEST of SUSPICIONS ... but its justified? ... AYFKM
Posted by: Pliney at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (nzKWW)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (x2wJm)
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Yes. A true McCain acolyte along with Steven Schmidt.
Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (oiNtH)
That those two turds had major campaign responsibilities in a Presidential race shows what a shit show Paul Singer and other Top Men bankrolled at the GOP.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (y7DUB)
1m
IG says officials all agreed that they should launch massive counterintel probe on basis of that one uncorroborated tip and not tell campaign (which included US Sen. and future AG Jeff Sessions and former NJ Gov. Chris Christie, notably) in case they were all in on it.
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (BqBId)
Horowitz is going to take a sledgehammer to the Deep State and there will be massive FBI raids of the perps simultaneous with the release of the report.
Posted by: MAGA at December 05, 2019 08:01 AM (I5LRE)
Horowitz didn't take a jeweler's hammer to a sugar cube.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Sock Monkey...imperialist stooge at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (Fy0Aq)
Posted by: Pliney at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (nzKWW)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (JwHjN)
You would be that lenient?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (mpeBU)
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: AG Barr at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (Udx7m)
I think every FBI and DOJ employee and contractors (those noble, professionals) mentioned in this report should be assigned to distant Indian Reservations and Eskimo Villages to investigate these disappearances. They should continue to investigate the disappearances until A) they are found to be incompetent political hacks and fired; B) they quit in disgust; or C) they find or account for every woman and child, and bring their murderers to Justice.
Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
The report is out. Morons be reading it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (cK+AV)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (vtcmf)
Come on my good man, trust the straight-shooting, honest, hard-working men and women of the FBI and DOJ, and besides, everyone makes a teensy little error of judgment now and again...
and again...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (BiNEL)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (VqhL9)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (M9ntN)
Good news tho, they're initiating an audit of FISA! So what?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (CQ3Qb)
You know the answer already: in bureaucratic world they have to do the audit first, before they do the reform.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (F8rys)
Posted by: Notorious BFD
The abuse will only go one direction. Kind of like Journalistic 'errors' corrected a month later only go in one direction.
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (vN4+Q)
"We concluded that Ohr committed consequential errors in judgment"
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (CQ3Qb)
consequently not considered by, the decision makers who ultimately decided to
support the applications. The failure to update 01 with accurate and complete
information resulted in FISA applications that made it appear that the evidence
supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (vEIlU)
Patience gives me more time for drinking.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (yQpMk)
We should divvy up the report between us so as to skim it more quickly.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
======
chapters 11 and 12 are the bottom line.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: Burnt Toast
Because we were repeatedly told to wait for it when we said nothing would happen.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (F8rys)
I think we are going to need it.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (pw+jk)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (cK+AV)
********
I'll take the part with the pictures
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (flINI)
If you and I were to have such "error" of judgement, we would be sitting in a jail cell
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (6XlcD)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (6XlcD)
..........
No, they will be trained to keep track of their car keys.
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (v0R5T)
honest, hard-working men and women of the FBI and DOJ, and besides,
everyone makes a teensy little error of judgment now and again...
and again...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (BiNEL)
Not the rank and file.
Posted by: Hannity at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (VqhL9)
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (NWiLs)
The failure to update 01 with accurate and complete
information resulted in FISA applications that made it appear that the evidence
supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
======
Insanity. The failure made it appear that the feds HAD a case when they DIDN'T.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (M9ntN)
and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we
did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
part of the case agents who assisted 01 in preparing the applications, or the agents
and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information....
eh?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (vEIlU)
And in a day or so, people will be informed enough to have an intelligent and useful contribution. But not yet. And probably not even then from the pundits who wrote all their columns last night.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Old uncle Joe at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (GBBOD)
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (F8rys)
Because I want the Left to be convicted in the court of public opinion almost as much as in a court of law. Unfortunately if the IG report can be spun as expected , that's not going to happen.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (2DOZq)
"According to FBI training materials, "everyone in the FISA process" relies on the case agent's signature on the Woods Form verifying that the factual assertions
contained in the application are accurate."
How cute. They all sign forms under penalty of perjury, but in reliance on only one person.
A built-in "we're not guilty, we're gullible" defense. Yeesh.
Posted by: jc at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (PuMKG)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (vEIlU)
"As we described earlier in connection with the FBI's decision not to conduct defensive briefings to the Trump campaign about the information the FBI received from the FFG, we did not identify an Department or FBI policy that applied to that decision and determined that those decisions are judgement calls left to the discretion of FBI officials." Similarly, we did not identify any Department or FBI policy or guidance that specifically addresses using FBI counterintelligence and security briefings to members of political campaigns for investigative purposes, as occurred in Crossfire Hurricane. We believe there should be."
---
And yet the Washington Examiner reported on June 23, 2019 that the FBI gave two different counter-intel briefings to the campaigns of Clinton and Trump. So how can there not be a case of bias on behalf of the FBI leaders (who make these 'judgement calls') in providing one type of briefing to one candidate and another type to another candidate -- especially if there is concern that THAT candidate might be more susceptible to foreign influence or the campaign internally compromised.
There HAD to be a conscious reason for changing it up but the report skips right over it and moves on.
Posted by: Nevyan at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (J4uXz)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (cK+AV)
.........
minor edit
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (v0R5T)
Right on the first page:
Our role in this review was not to second-guess
discretionary judgments by Department personnel
about whether to open an investigation, or specific
judgment calls made during the course of an
investigation, where those decisions complied with or
were authorized by Department rules, policies, or
procedures. We do not criticize particular decisions
merely because we might have recommended a
different investigative strategy or tactic based on the
facts learned during our investigation. The question we
considered was not whether a particular investigative
decision was ideal or could have been handled more
effectively, but rather whether the Department and the
FBI complied with applicable legal requirements,
policies, and procedures in taking the actions we
reviewed or, alternatively, whether the circumstances
surrounding the decision indicated that it was based on inaccurate or incomplete information, or considerations
other than the merits of the investigation.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (7jTtI)
--
Ha. Close it up.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (3rtj0)
Posted by: Cromwell's Ghost at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (rSVGg)
Posted by: politics uber alles at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (0hOKG)
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (gmo/4)
*spit*
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (emUSt)
Horowitz is going to take a sledgehammer to the Deep State and there will be massive FBI raids of the perps simultaneous with the release of the report.
Posted by: MAGA at December 05, 2019 08:01 AM (I5LRE)
Horowitz didn't take a jeweler's hammer to a sugar cube.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (7jTtI)
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Sorry, my bad. I meant mandatory training sessions.
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (bloh/)
Is that about right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (I2dne)
Well all except the "All Expenses Paid Cushy Resort Training" part!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (BiNEL)
Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (bFkYZ)
discretionary judgments by Department personnel
about whether to open an investigation
...............
In other words.. Not my job!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (CQ3Qb)
I guess nobody thought to ask where Papadopoulos got that information?
Perhaps Barr and Durham are wondering about that.
Posted by: cpurick at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (7YrFp)
"We concluded that Ohr committed consequential errors in judgment"
Posted by: It's me donna
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Yo Inspector, would a consequential error in judgment be like getting behind the wheel of a truck while you're stone drunk and then killing five pedestrians?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (BqBId)
Tonypete, if you show up here, I just got the chance to look at your kitchen you posted on the Food Thread. Is that five different stains on the cabinets?
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (61e6C)
89 Miss Page, I hope you brought enough gum for everyone in the room.
Posted by: Lisa Page's Third Grade Teacher at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (9vQJW)
...and in traffic, there is a five mile backup approaching the Lisa Page Memorial tunnel....
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (e1mEI)
"The FBI should review the performance of all employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, for any action deemed appropriate."
I'm sure they'll get right on it.
Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (gAMkn)
Right on the first page:
Our role in this review was not to second-guess
discretionary judgments by Department personnel
about whether to open an investigation, or specific
judgment calls made during the course of an
investigation, where those decisions complied with or
were authorized by Department rules, policies, or
procedures. We do not criticize particular decisions
merely because we might have recommended a
different investigative strategy or tactic based on the
facts learned during our investigation. The question we
considered was not whether a particular investigative
decision was ideal or could have been handled more
effectively, but rather whether the Department and the
FBI complied with applicable legal requirements,
policies, and procedures in taking the actions we
reviewed or, alternatively, whether the circumstances
surrounding the decision indicated that it was based on inaccurate or incomplete information, or considerations
other than the merits of the investigation.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (so+oy)
Well, that certainly seems like a lot of words.
Posted by: J. Peterman at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (Izzlo)
the employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or
approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior
officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, and take any
action deemed appropriate. In addition, given the extensive compliance failures we
identified in this review, we believe that additional OIG oversight work is required
to assess the FBI's compliance with Department and FBI FISA-related policies that
seek to protect the civil liberties of U.S. persons. Accordingly, we have initiated an
OIG audit that will further examine the FBI's compliance with the Woods Procedures
in FISA applications that target U.S. persons in both counterintelligence and
counterterrorism investigations. This audit will be informed by the findings in this
review, as well as by our prior work over the past 15 years on the Department's
and FBI's use of national security and surveillance authorities, including authorities
under FISA, as detailed in Chapter One.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: LOL
Scrawls LOL on 30 06 shell
In the end it will work out just fine AH
Posted by: Sock Monkey...imperialist stooge at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (Fy0Aq)
If we cannot put them in jail, put them in bankruptcy.
Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (+0uDE)
"Performance failures"
you think?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (vEIlU)
Oh great, now they'll get free Viagra.
Posted by: Hannity at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (VqhL9)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (vEIlU)
So "Mistakes were made", and "We need better training".
Oh, and you didn't "receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information". Why do you think that might be, Inspector Magoo?
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: OCBill at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (M7Utf)
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (emUSt)
The ABC News tweet flips the entire thing on its head.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (hYUjK)
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: AG Barr at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (Udx7m)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Sorry, headlines are already blasting, the narrative which was pre written is out there.
All the Low Info Voters will think that it was AOK for Trump to be investigated.
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (gAMkn)
Yo Inspector, would a consequential error in judgment be like getting behind the wheel of a truck while you're stone drunk and then killing five pedestrians?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Navy shooter only guilty of error in judgement.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (61e6C)
From what I understand the intro and executive summary are not written by the IG, have no legal weight, and are added on after the work is done.
Also; this is the only part reporters read.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Moon howler at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (hLiaa)
Disgusting.
There is no America.
It is time for solemn revolution.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (61e6C)
Does it smell anything like hair?
Posted by: Joey Leghairs at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (tVQUs)
and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we
did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
part of the case agents who assisted 01 in preparing the applications, or the agents
and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information....
eh?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (vEIlU)
====
Translation from bureaucratspeak:
"We know one or more of them did it, but no one confessed so we can not say for sure which one(s)."
Posted by: jc at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (PuMKG)
Posted by: Pinochet Air Tours Flt Attendant at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (zL/eJ)
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (fK2gX)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (6XlcD)
and THAT was outside scope of IG.
So the FBI can claim they got the info from CIA
and CIA can claim that the FBI were supposed to verify its authenticity.
One big circle jerk with nobody to pin it on...
Posted by: McCool at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (sZaoP)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)
You would think that in a free country, there might be something like a majority opposition party that could orchestrate a US Senate investigation!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:29 PM (BiNEL)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 01:29 PM (U7qMl)
Crossfire Hurricane and to task him in October 2016 were based on multiple factors
unrelated to political considerations includin :
uh huh
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:29 PM (vEIlU)
It's really not that hard to digest, it's a PDF, search for the word conclusion, there are 28 of them.
They for all intents and purposes, exonerate the whole coup attempt and crew.
No criminal referrals.
So it's a complete and total white wash.
And regardless what anyone says, this report is a nut punch to the Barr/Durham investigation, this report essentially says there is no basis for them to continue their criminal investigation.
This is fucked up.
This is fucked up mightily.
Posted by: Fuller Brush Salesman at December 09, 2019 01:29 PM (YHoQw)
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 01:29 PM (Zz0t1)
So it's it and that's that as near as I can tell. Durham can't prosecute someone who has a govt report saying "eh, mistakes were made, but it happens".
Our long national russian discussion has come to an end with not a bang, but a whimper.
The End.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 01:29 PM (r+sAi)
and if you don't think that's the case, you're a fucking moron.
and not the good kind.
Posted by: Uncle Pinochet's Heli Tours at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (Ayk4B)
Just stop.
Posted by: Wut at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (6A9Kg)
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (bloh/)
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (fK2gX)
1. Burn it.
2. Salt it.
3. PROFIT!!!
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)
1. trump would not be impeached
2. IG Report would mean something
Hows that working for everyone?
Posted by: LOL at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (xydBW)
Have you been reading another blog?
1. Maybe 75/25(this is admittedly impressively stupid of Democrats)
2. Two weeks (the joke is that it's been two weeks for years, sounds like it went over youe head, this expresses low, not high, expectations)
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (prSvo)
Posted by: Gomer Pyle at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (GBBOD)
All the Low Info Voters will think that it was AOK for Trump to be investigated.
Posted by: Don Q
If there are no criminal referrals, then guess what?
It was.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (7jTtI)
So, the IG says everything is AOK, just need further review.
Because we need more time than the last 3 F'n years to figure out something was wrong.
OK then.
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 01:29 PM (U7qMl)
It's been dead since Woodrow Wilson, at the latest.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (sm6Pk)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (mpeBU) "
Never said what happens to that 1 in 10 ...
#137 above is interesting, others have suggested a Transcontinental Peace And Dignity Canal, ...
Let A Thousand Flowers Bloom, to steal a phrase.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (JwHjN)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (I3OPu)
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)
--
In fairness, it was. *If* you're on the side of the government.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (3rtj0)
Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (Pg+x7)
Posted by: squeakywheel at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (cBpq4)
Posted by: The Tree of Liberty at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (HpfZ0)
"We concluded that Ohr committed consequential errors in judgment"
Operation Fast and Furious was a consequential error in judgement. Mistakes were made.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (ptqGC)
It was.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:30 PM (7jTtI)
And now they have a green light to do this to anybody they want.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (sm6Pk)
Posted by: Moon howler at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (hLiaa)
Perhaps JackStraw had an advance look at this abomination and decided to spend more time with his family!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (BiNEL)
And yet the Washington Examiner reported on June 23, 2019 that the FBI gave two different counter-intel briefings to the campaigns of Clinton and Trump. So how can there not be a case of bias
Posted by: Nevyan
======
As Chi-town Jerry pointed out:
>>Right on the first page:
>>Our role in this review was not to second-guess
discretionary judgments by Department personnel
After all, we're not Merlin the Magnificent.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (M9ntN)
Disgusting.
There is no America.
It is time for solemn revolution.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (PbpT7)
No, you don't get it! It's sooper-extra-damaging to the Deep State and the Democrat Party exactly BECAUSE it's a weak-ass whitewash! It lulls them into a false sense of security!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 01:32 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 01:32 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: eleven at December 09, 2019 01:32 PM (M0u+N)
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 01:32 PM (prSvo)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:32 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 01:32 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:32 PM (CQ3Qb)
Yeah, that's this IG report.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (x2wJm)
Posted by: IC at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (a0IVu)
I guess nobody thought to ask where Papadopoulos got that information?
Perhaps Barr and Durham are wondering about that.
Posted by: cpurick at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (7YrFp)
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If the stupid insular bastards that wrote this whitewash had asked me or any of a dozen morons the same question in the Spring of 2015, we would have said the Russians, AND the Chinese, Iranians, British, French, Germans, Israelis, and any freaking country with a half way decent cyber hacking organization.
Everyone had Hillary's Freaking Emails!
And Everyone still has them!
Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (Wd55D)
and THAT was outside scope of IG.
So the FBI can claim they got the info from CIA
and CIA can claim that the FBI were supposed to verify its authenticity.
One big circle jerk with nobody to pin it on...
Posted by: McCool at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (sZaoP)
Getting a little sick of the excuses based on "legalese" when it's as clear as day.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (emUSt)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (9Om/r)
It is time for solemn revolution.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (PbpT7)
Until people are willing to sacrifice their employment, it won't happen.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (sm6Pk)
Posted by: Max Power at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (QCc6B)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (BiNEL)
March - "Nothing will happen to anyone involved."
July - "Nothing will happen to anyone involved."
October - "Nothing will happen to anyone involved."
December - "Nothing will happen to anyone involved."
December 9th: IG report released, nothing will happen to anyone involved.
"HAHA AT THE RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!!"
- Trolls
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (3rtj0)
Durham needs to find out if anyone knew or should have known and if so, they need to be (a) prosecuted; (b) stripped of any clearance; and (c) disbarred if they are lawyers.
Barr is doing a great job here. It is a damn shame he wasn't AG from the beginning vs. non-entity Sessions.
Posted by: arminius at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (wRJix)
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (9221z)
Posted by: McCool at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (sZaoP)
What comes next is either tyranny or anarchy.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (J+mig)
1. trump would not be impeached
2. IG Report would mean something
Hows that working for everyone?
Posted by: LOL at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (xydBW)
Mixed bag actually, but overall pretty dammed well.
On point one most here likely thought the Dems wouldn't be that stoopid, but wonders will never cease. That just illustrates that as screwed up as the RINO repubs are the Democrats are in full political civil war by comparison. And that's working out GREAT! Thanks to the far left base's impeachment fever Trump just passed the entire democratic field in election polling. Dems could easily lose the hose in addition to Trump's guaranteed reelection.
On point two, it was just the opposite. After the shame investigation into Clinton why would you expect more?
Most people expected a whitewash and would have been happily surprised if otherwise, but bureaucrats gonna bureaucrat.
Posted by: Keith at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (jdGlx)
I mean this is nice and all, but it's the equivalent of an instagram model, isn't it?
It's not real until my dick is wet.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (d1uFV)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: eleven at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (M0u+N)
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (8/E19)
I'm not saying wait for Huber or whatever. I'm saying its too soon to be running around angrily or happily whatsoever. A PDF search will only get you so far, until you read you don't know what it says.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: McCool at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (sZaoP)
Buying ammo and steel is always good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2019 01:35 PM (d1uFV)
>>Our role in this review was not to second-guess
discretionary judgments by Department personnel
After all, we're not Merlin the Magnificent.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:31 PM (M9ntN)
But the Democrats can mind read and knew Donald Trump's intentions even without a shred of evidence and there is an impeachment moving forward based on their bullshit
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 01:35 PM (Un9AW)
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:35 PM (emUSt)
Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 01:35 PM (lgy2g)
Disgusting.
There is no America.
It is time for solemn revolution.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (PbpT7)
Careful ace. Talk like that will get Deep state deep shit to come after you and accuse you of moving the goal posts.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 01:35 PM (CLxlH)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:35 PM (x2wJm)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 01:35 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Max Power at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (QCc6B)
We have no levers to steer it.
Abolition is the only option.
Posted by: Cato, Deep State Delenda Est at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (J+mig)
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (VP1E6)
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (32YRo)
Voting our way out of this status:
[ ] are
[x] are not
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (x2wJm)
What he said.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (flINI)
Yeah they'd have been reaching for their rifles under the Lincoln administration, let alone the Wilson. We put up with tyranny because its just easier that way.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (KZzsI)
1. trump would not be impeached
2. IG Report would mean something
Hows that working for everyone?
Posted by: LOL at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (xydBW)
You evidently never read a word I wrote as I've been saying for literally months that the IG report was going to be a nothingburger.
But back at you - how's impeachment working out for your heroes on Team Blue, eh?
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: McCool
=========================
You stopped buying? Beans, bullion and bullets, never stop buying.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (prSvo)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (VqhL9)
Posted by: No at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (n4Oho)
They asked everybody at the FBI if bias influenced the decision, and they all said "nope".
This wasn't an investigation.
Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (tX3BM)
Nothingburger
Posted by: Kurt at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (atSuo)
Posted by: jsg at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (cz8Bv)
Posted by: Ripley at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (MxEKc)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (NWiLs)
GTFOH.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (2DOZq)
From what I understand the intro and executive summary are not written by the IG, have no legal weight, and are added on after the work is done.
Also; this is the only part reporters read.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (KZzsI)
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That what Sundance says and at one time JS agreed to.
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (bloh/)
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (PbpT7)
Until people are willing to sacrifice their employment, it won't happen.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (sm6Pk)
The majority of people would be perfectly content losing all their rights so long as they still had bread and circuses.
Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (tVQUs)
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (P96+U)
It's a complete whitewash. I excerpted the whitewash part, announcing
that everything is legal and proper if it's a Republian the Democrat
Deep State is trying to get.
Disgusting.
There is no America.
It is time for solemn revolution.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (PbpT7)
Well, now at least we know what can be done "legally" and allowed to get away with it. If there was only an opposing party, one in power, we can do the exact same maneuvers to the Dems.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (N39Ws)
So they lied to the FISA judges. And nothing happens. If I were Trump, I'd have a draft FISC warrant in front of a FISA judge tomorrow for Biden, Warren, Buttbang and the others. Let's see their dirty-ass laundry, now that it's A-OK to lie to federal judges, or at least present them with BS warrant applications.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (F8rys)
Comey and pals are sleazeballs, but they're not stupid. They are not going to write emails and memos containing a smoking gun that they're spying on Trump for political reasons.
Posted by: Gref at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (emUSt)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (flINI)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (sD1Jj)
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (xPl2J)
Man... I wasn't optimistic.
But I thought it would at least have referrals for prosecution for one or two peons. Probably Page and Peterstroke.
Nothing though. Goose-egg. "Bruce Ohr was naughty and must report to OPR for detention and must clean the erasers for teacher."
Jay-zus. What a joke.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (ayFCE)
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (32YRo)
Durham can't prosecute someone who has a govt report saying "eh, mistakes were made, but it happens".
Our long national russian discussion has come to an end with not a bang, but a whimper.
The End.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
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Restructuring, clarifying, and strengthening of various policies, rules, and procedures were all recommended.
So they'll do that, and that will hold until the FBI figures a way around them.
Then comes the next "emergency" (Republican candidate surges in 2024 polls or whatever), a riot of unethical and illegal but narrowly conforming activity takes place, and we do Bride of Horowitz.
Lather rinse repeat until the Republic is drowned.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (sD1Jj)
I don't have to read the body of it, we already know the breadth and scope of the criminality therein, all that matters are the conclusions.
The conclusions wash away all the sins.
They also kick out the legs of the Barr/Durham investigation.
The IG's reports effectively end the story on the coup attempt.
What's Barr going to do?
Pull a Mortimer?
Turn those machines back on, turn those machines back on!!!
It's over.
The Deep State has won.
Posted by: Fuller Brush Salesman at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (YHoQw)
Posted by: Ripley at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (MxEKc)
--
It sucks that so many quit their jobs after the corruption was exposed. Imagine if we still had people in place with the...
Wait, what?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (3rtj0)
So its a question of whether or not the AG and anyone at Justice (or the president himself) decide to act on the information. Judging by the previous report... not gonna happen. Evidently it wouldn't be prudent, at this juncture.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: nip at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (Izot6)
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (fK2gX)
Barr should fire Horowitz now.
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (9221z)
And to think our founders wigged out on a tea tax.
Yeah they'd have been reaching for their rifles under the Lincoln
administration, let alone the Wilson. We put up with tyranny because
its just easier that way.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (KZzsI)
And we aren't voting ourselves out of this one.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (r+sAi)
There is that phrase again. I sure wish I could get off scott free if I plead that.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: rammajamma at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (PQRcz)
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (VP1E6)
Posted by: Surfperch
=======================
Yep. When they start missing meals is when it gets sporty.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (prSvo)
he was baited, the regurgitated bait, why no mention of that as far as I can see?
In July 2016, 3 weeks after then FBI Director James Corney announced the
conclusion of the FBI's "Midyear Exam" investigation into presidential candidate
Hillary Clinton's handling of government emails during her tenure as Secretary of
State, the FBI received reporting from a Friendly Foreign Government (FFG) that, in
a May 2016 meeting with the FFG, Trump campaign foreign policy advisor George
Papadopoulos "suggested the Trump team had received some kind of a suggestion"
from Russia that it could assist in the election process with the anonymous release
of information during the campaign that would be damaging to candidate Clinton
and President Obama. Days later, on July 31, the FBI initiated the Crossfire
Hurricane investigation that is the subject of this report.
As we noted last year in our review of the Midyear investigation, the FBI has
developed and earned a reputation as one of the world's premier law enforcement
agencies in significant part because of its tradition of professionalism, impartiality,
non-political enforcement of the law, and adherence to detailed policies, practices,
and norms. It was precisely these qualities that were required as the FBI initiated
and conducted Crossfire Hurricane. However, as we describe in this report, our
review identified significant concerns with how certain aspects of the investigation
were conducted and supervised, particularly the FBI's failure to adhere to its own
standards of accuracy and completeness when filing applications for Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) authority to surveil Carter Page, a U.S. person
who was connected to the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign. We also
identified what we believe is an absence of sufficient policies to ensure appropriate
Department oversight of significant investigative decisions that could affect
constitutionally protected activity.
meh
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (P96+U)
Don't be ridiculous. Some people just believe things because they want to believe them, it doesn't imply they're agents of some power.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (flINI)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Insomniac
Yet we were all told we were full of shit and we were moving goalposts.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (dyCdQ)
Christ Almighty,
Barr and Durham, YOU'RE TEARING ME APART!
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (sD1Jj)
I did not hit Leeesa, this is bullshit! I did not hit her, I did naaaaaht!
Posted by: Peter Strzok at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (NWiLs)
did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
part of the case agents who assisted in preparing the applications, or the agents
and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information. . .
I'm reading that as essentially "no intent, so it's all good" - is that about right?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (N39Ws)
Let's not pretend it's getting shot out of, either.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (sm6Pk)
You know how in high school, how you'd be crushing on this chick who was
in a terrible relationship with a douchebag, and then she finally
breaks up with him and you're psyched that you're going to get a chance
to ask her out, only to find that she already started dating someone a
week ago?
Yeah, that's this IG report.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:33 PM (x2wJm)
I was thinking as I read it that when you finally walked up to her she had halitosis and bad BO. But that works too.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (VqhL9)
Singing the songs of angry men.
It is the music of a people who
Will NOT be slaves again.
Posted by: Linn Ridge at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (ECrgQ)
"We concluded that the failures described above and in this report represent serious performance failures by the supervisory and non-supervisory agents with responsibility over the FISA applications. These failures prevented OI from fully performing its gatekeeper function and deprived the decision makers the opportunity to make fully informed decisions. Although some of the factual misstatements and omissions we found in this review were arguably more significant than others, we believe t hat all of them taken together resulted in FISA applications that made it appear that the information supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case."
Posted by: cpurick at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (7YrFp)
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (88+cf)
Posted by: Light29ID at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (mFjHy)
Error of judgement in misleading FISC, if Barr decides to indict/prosecute, that argument can be made at trial. Horowitz can white wash in his conclusions all he wants, but the raw facts get the indictment party started, and more subpoenas by DOJ (not the resisters) will determine their own conclusions (as Barr indicates he is not falling for the "mistakes were made", banana in the tailpipe trick)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (Cus5s)
this is a plan I can get behind
what did we expect from this report
did we think a fish could suddenly become an opera singer? these are bureaucrats. this is what they do. justify themselves.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (Rarvo)
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (emUSt)
Yeah but that was true the first time around, too. The problem today is that nearly EVERYONE would rather just take it as long as they have food and distractions. Back then about 30% had enough and took to arms.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (VpIIl)
It will definitely save more Americans.
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (9221z)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (x2wJm)
Disgusting.
There is no America.
It is time for solemn revolution.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 01:28 PM (PbpT7)
Page xiv of the executive summary more or less says
"That so many basic and fundamental errors
were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process."
There's more but all that's being done? A fucking audit.
This is as close as it gets to an outright statement that the FBI lied to the FISA courts and *nothing* is going to happen to anyone.
But Chief Justice Roberts is overseeing it, y'all! It'll be fine!
*throws things*
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (mf5HN)
Mistakes were made.
Failure to...
bad judgment...
w/e
wipe out the Dems at election time
keep cleaning out the swamp
Trump will have a better handle on the traitors in all agencies and will be able to clean up the trash even more so.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (mf5HN)
--
No reasonable prosecutor something something.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (3rtj0)
My question is and has always been... did someone change those regs and safe guards?
Posted by: itsacookbook at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (yPxXc)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: mrp at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (Pqytn)
Posted by: Surfperch
=======================
Yep. When they start missing meals is when it gets sporty.
Posted by: Guzalot
Ssssssshhhh! Dominos pizza is almost here and the Masked Singer is about to come on!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (cEsBM)
If you have power, and are a leftist, you can do what you will without consequences.
BTW, since the IG report was released we can fire this prick now, right?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: attila the thrilla at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (3rtj0)
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Tentotwo at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (yhf6w)
While the IG can only talk to FBI sources, Barr is under no such restriction. If the FBI yahoos in charge, under penalty of perjury, of making sure that applications to the FISA court are truthful and complete did not make sure of that, Barr doesn't have to prove anything to charge them other than they knew the Steele Dossier was a flawed political hit piece and used it anyway.
Posted by: red at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (ERkyq)
The FISA warrants by the FBI were improper but nobody is in trouble for it.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (CQ3Qb)
It was just a series of oversights that lead the FBI to file what they thought was a legitimate FISA application to spy on the Trump campaign though every word in the application was a lie orchestrated by the Hillary campaign and Obama holdovers. Could happen to anyone. No Bias, no intent, just Trumps bad luck again.
So once they found out it was all BS, what else could they do but have a special counsel and continue digging on the dirty dirty Trump.
Did you hear about the impeachment treason?
Posted by: MSM Suits at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (ymnmz)
The Deep State has won.
Posted by: Fuller Brush Salesman at December 09, 2019 01:38 PM (YHoQw)
Won the ability to spark a second civil war, most likely.
Posted by: Cato, Deep State Delenda Est at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (J+mig)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (vcOmj)
What you got: You're a young woman, looking for a job in hollywood and you've just been locked in a room with Jeffery Epstein and Harvey Weinstein.
Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (bloh/)
Nice
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (dyCdQ)
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (gmo/4)
Okay, realistically:
What the report condemns is the FBI policies and procedures, which actually allowed all this.
So the solution is to either reform the FBI (lol, had to say that for form's sake) or burn it to the ground.
As I read it, there's no reason for rank-and-file, law-abiding agents to get mad about this. They simply know now what they're allowed to get away with.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (M9ntN)
I don't even have a garage, you can call home and ask my wife!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (yQpMk)
Or when the internet is unavailable. All those people addicted to their phones, what happens when they can't text, tweet, or see youtube videos? Riots and blood.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (gAMkn)
Don't be ridiculous. Some people just believe things because they want to believe them, it doesn't imply they're agents of some power.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (7nTlT)
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Yeah. There are many people who love what this country was (for good damn reason) so much that they can't bear the thought of its subversion and destruction.
But here we are. I accepted it some time ago.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Gref at December 09, 2019 01:37 PM (AMIL/)
That's precisely what Obama meant when he said "... by the book."
Posted by: Deep State 368 at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (i7KWZ)
Posted by: ace
I agree with every word except "solemn." You must have misspelled "brutal."
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (fK2gX)
I think every FBI and DOJ employee and contractors (those noble, professionals) mentioned in this report should be assigned to distant Indian Reservations and Eskimo Villages to investigate these disappearances. They should continue to investigate the disappearances until A) they are found to be incompetent political hacks and fired; B) they quit in disgust; or C) they find or account for every woman and child, and bring their murderers to Justice.
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I have some personal experience with the above approach.
I screwed up, I was assigned to a seemingly prestigious project that was a miserable slog. I toughed it out, and after nine months was forgiven by management.
If you cannot fire the bastards, make their lives miserable until they quit, and make sure their misery is far, far away from their friends and co-conspirators in Washington DC.
Alternatively, assign them as Legal Attaches in some Sub Saharan African Shithole Embassy.
Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (mf5HN)
What were you doing that might've broken things?
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: Max Power at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (QCc6B)
@brookefoxnews
NEW: in a rare statement,US Attorney John Durham says:
"Based on the evidence collected to date,and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
yep
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Augustine at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (BDZWU)
Durham statement: he does not agree with some of Horowitz's findings. Same as Barr. They have all the investigatory tools, Horrowitz does not.
Posted by: trapper's girl at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (Vugy1)
*looks suspiciously at ol' Green Teeth*
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: clutch cargo at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (Z1ykJ)
This is as close as it gets to an outright statement that the FBI lied to the FISA courts and *nothing* is going to happen to anyone.
But Chief Justice Roberts is overseeing it, y'all! It'll be fine!
*throws things*
Posted by: alexthechick
Welcome to the dark side Empress.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: Ripley at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (MxEKc)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (KZzsI)
--
I remember when we had people on this very site freaking out because youtube was down one night.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (3rtj0)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 01:41 PM (zr5Kq)
We find this statement has merit.
Posted by: Snopes! at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (Zz0t1)
@brookefoxnews
NEW: in a rare statement,US Attorney John Durham says:
"Based on the evidence collected to date,and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
yep
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (vEIlU)
But are they going to do anything about it?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (ayFCE)
Posted by: Every MSM Outlet at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (koNhm)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2019 01:36 PM (flINI)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Insomniac
Yet we were all told we were full of shit and we were moving goalposts.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (7jTtI)
Why, yes. Yes we were.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (NWiLs)
@brookefoxnews
·
15m
NEW: per #HorowitzIGReport ,Joseph Mifsud, the Maltese professor who allegedly told
@GeorgePapa19
about "dirt" on
@HillaryClinton
was NOT working with the FBI as a confidential human source.
bs
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (gmo/4)
As if on any other Sunday the same incompetence might have gone against Hillary...
This is how they fail to find bias???
Posted by: cpurick at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (7YrFp)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (7jTtI)
Uh, yep. Not happy about being completely right about this one.
Apologies to ace and COBs for reposting the banned troll.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (77WPm)
Seriously, what do we do now?
Posted by: Cheribebe at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (kgEaa)
Posted by: IronDave at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (0mskG)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (flINI)
@brookefoxnews
NEW: in a rare statement,US Attorney John Durham says:
"Based on the evidence collected to date, & while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
#FISA
10:34 AM - 9 Dec 2019
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (FBrfY)
C'mon, Trump. Get out your XO pen and eliminate the DoJ. Make a new skeleton organization, put Mulvaney in charge of it and rebuild.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (I2dne)
Hit the Ace tip jar. We're going to need him.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: MJ
Lie.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: Surfperch
Well, yes. Did we expect more? These people will protect each other's professional stature.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Sock Monkey...willing to pay the price for my children's freedom at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (Fy0Aq)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (3rtj0)
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (M+Lyo)
I should move to a country where the corruption is at least more democratic. Only elites here can do whatever they want without fear. Everyone else lives in fear of the boot.
Posted by: Tim at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (Wp/ZE)
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (1CjJc)
Seconded.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (ayFCE)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (so+oy)
Ok, haven't had time to read it (like who has, really?) but it sounds like the IG concluded at the time the investigation started, all FISA regs and pre-regs were followed.
My question is and has always been... did someone change those regs and safe guards?
Posted by: itsacookbook
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apparently no.
What it comes down to is a dim view of the FBI's regs, policies, structures, etc., and a recommendation that they be reformed and personnel trained accordingly.
Next up, Lisa Page's new CNN show, "The Legal Page," aren't we cute.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (M9ntN)
The FBI requested 8.87B in 2019 to support 34,694 positions. That's 225K per position. Not average salary, but what it costs to support each person.
We always think government employees are paid less than private sector people, which is generally true, but the benefits make up the difference and then some.
Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (gAMkn)
Posted by: corn and beans at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (tkNkP)
Internet is the key, everyone is so wrapped into it and addicted to it they cannot imagine a world without it. WHERE WILL I GET MY CUTE CAT VIDEOS AND MEMES????
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (KZzsI)
Horowitz's findings. Same as Barr. They have all the investigatory
tools, Horrowitz does not.
Posted by: trapper's girl at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (Vugy1)
Yep.
#SixMoreMonths!
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (CQ3Qb)
I guess nobody thought to ask where Papadopoulos got that information?
Perhaps Barr and Durham are wondering about that.
Posted by: cpurick at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (7YrFp)
Assuming that was really the 'start', what is the crime?
- Thinking that there is 'dirt' on Hillary?
- Thinking about the RUSSIANS?
Or a combination of the two.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (1g7ch)
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
If the traitors are Dems, you must acquit
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (lgy2g)
@brookefoxnews
NEW: in a rare statement,US Attorney John Durham says:
"Based on the evidence collected to date,and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
yep
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (vEIlU)
But are they going to do anything about it?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (ayFCE)
Right. Wake me when this guy starts issuing indictments.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Sherpa_K2 at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (BsCoj)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Section Chief Peter "Costello" Strzok at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (zD38/)
Posted by: Professor Karlint at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (PtOP4)
publicly that his own investigation is not constrained as is the IG, and
that he does not see things in the same way as the IG.
Posted by: IronDave at December 09, 2019 01:44 PM (0mskG)
They're all just teasing us at this point.
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 01:40 PM (Cus5s)
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Whatever
:rolls eyes:
:jacking off motion:
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (bloh/)
Was Steele biased?
Well, no. We asked him that and he said no. Case closed!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
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Strange that prosecuting hate crimes isn't that easy.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (M9ntN)
https://tinyurl.com/wnqdgnh
Stroyzks attorney... his personal opinions never impacted his work...
lmao, yeah, right
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (vEIlU)
[ ] Ballot box
[ ] ?
Posted by: attila the thrilla at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (w7KSn)
[ ] Mail box
Posted by: Surfperch, knowing there's a Fourth Box at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (tVQUs)
@brookefoxnews
NEW: in a rare statement,US Attorney John Durham says:
"Based on the evidence collected to date,and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
yep
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (vEIlU)
It's meaningless unless people go to jail. And from what I can see, nobody will suffer in the slightest.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (RD7QR)
I should move to a country where the corruption is at least more democratic. Only elites here can do whatever they want without fear. Everyone else lives in fear of the boot.
Posted by: Tim at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (Wp/ZE)
Mexico?
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (7nTlT)
Sure, Jan!
Funny how it only ever results in harm to one side, huh?
Kinda like how the MSM always gets the story wrong by slandering the right/GOP/conservatives/Trump.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (bDqIh)
This is a serious question: What does the FBI do? I know we pay $9B annually to them but what exactly do they do?
Posted by: MJ
Lie.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (7jTtI)
And spend yours and my money.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (3ZQT1)
but the initial report looks like shit.
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (M+Lyo)
406 Barr and Durham can issue indictments without having a "referral" from Horowitz you know.
Posted by: corn and beans at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (tkNkP)
#twoweeks
Posted by: Roy at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (XP2Jg)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (ptqGC)
Was Steele biased?
Well, no. We asked him that and he said no. Case closed!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
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Strange that prosecuting hate crimes isn't that easy.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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I think I meant "defending" against them.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (M9ntN)
what tha?
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (FEQY4)
Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (TlQrr)
I always over-analyzed, because I was capable of actually reading WHAT THE STORY WAS ABOUT, and then picking the answer that I thought best described the situation as my analytical mind saw it.
But, no - the people who designed the tests weren't capable of seeing how any interpretation other than the one that was crystal clear to their not-quite-as-analytical way of thinking, so my answers were always wrong.
Most journalists and political pundits (and politicians and bureaucrats) fall into the "obvious answer" part of the populace.
Which is why they see us as conspiracy theorists.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (SRRAx)
Posted by: McCool at December 09, 2019 01:34 PM (sZaoP)"
Are there actually optimists out there who stopped ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (JwHjN)
I think this is over. Shut it down, shut it all down.
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (32YRo)
Likewise, a number of people were not able to be interviewed by Horowitz. McCabe, most likely Brennan, Baker and Comey and a host of others - unless they voluntarily did - were not interviewed because they aren't in gov't anymore.
And as Mollie H said - this was about the opening of the investigation. So if the FBI got from the CIA the Steele Dossier and assumed it was fine, then on face value, there was evidence to "open" the investigation. Now, getting the actual FISA warrants will be an issue as even this IG report indicates that errors in filing.
Not asking if this "report" is true is an error in judgement. Swearing to a court the contents is true - is not an error in judgement, but an error in following policy. However, saying it's true while knowing you did not specifically ask/determine it's true is illegal.
Yes, a bummer. But wait for Durham. People like Brennan - even he has said he probably would be asked by Durham - and others have surely been asked by Durham about certain things. Durham/Barr would not open a criminal investigation unless they planned to bring charges. If not, why go thru the effort to open one when you could just go thru the motions and be done with it?
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (zVXtJ)
publicly that his own investigation is not constrained as is the IG, and that he does not see things in the same way as the IG.
--
When he wraps up HIS two year investigation then we can really get down to business!
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (3rtj0)
Barr and Durham can issue indictments without having a "referral" from Horowitz you know.
Posted by: corn and beans at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (tkNkP)
#twoweeks
Posted by: Roy
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Lol. What'd they do with the referrals against McCabe and Comey?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: corn and beans at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (tkNkP)
They need a grand jury. A Washington DC grand jury.
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (xPl2J)
While the IG can only talk to FBI sources, Barr
is under no such restriction. If the FBI yahoos in charge, under penalty
of perjury, of making sure that applications to the FISA court are
truthful and complete did not make sure of that, Barr doesn't have to
prove anything to charge them other than they knew the Steele Dossier
was a flawed political hit piece and used it anyway.
Posted by: red at December 09, 2019 01:42 PM (ERkyq)
THIS x 1m.
Everyone in the federal government who is of the left gets to point at the blame at the next guy in the line and the buck stops nowhere. The guy who signed off on the BS application needs his ass in a sling until they find the guy who committed the crime, otherwise it was him.
This was BS FISA application to spy on the president! There is not one sole at this time who was involved in the process that can stand up and say that what is included in the application isn't total BS. But "hey mistakes happen" is no defense for using the federal government ot spay on a disfavored party and current occupant of the white house. It's a f-ing coup..
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (TlQrr)
Exactly. They just greenlit the same tactic to be used over and over again in the future.
Posted by: Liberty at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (2BaZC)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (dJrqU)
@RealSaavedra
·3m
BREAKING: IG Report Finds FBI 'Fell Far Short,' Made 'Serious' Errors In FISA Application To Surveil Trump Campaign
this is all so embarrassing
and clownish
and 3rd world
and banana republic
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (NgKpN)
Look, I'm tired and I had some schnapps. Maybe if you do that thing with...you know...
Posted by: Steiner at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (7nTlT)
Cut and pasted directly from the report.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (mf5HN)
Barr should fire Horowitz now.
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (9221z)
Link please for Durham
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (CmURZ)
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (xPl2J)
Who says it has to be in DC
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (cEsBM)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (r+sAi)
Fuck them, too. The rank and file know their bureau is disgustingly corrupt and they say nothing. They're no better than their bosses.
And Barr's "disagreement," doesn't mean shit. It's just to keep conservatives on the hook until he reaches the same fucking conclusion as the IG.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (I3OPu)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNUcjqP11OY
Posted by: Max Power at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (QCc6B)
--
I'm no lawyerologist, but that's an interesting point.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (3rtj0)
hey I called Bullshit also and before Durham. What am I chopped Liver?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (cEsBM)
Its just our turn, now. The only question is what we do about it and how we respond?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (KZzsI)
Well, no. We asked him that and he said no. Case closed!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (so+oy)
Given the IG's limited investigative authority, the above statement is true.
I think many were expecting more from the Horowitz report than could possibly be delivered.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (aS1PU)
but what about new legal rule that "political opponents" are immune from investigation for purely personal political gain?
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (FEQY4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (cEsBM)
I don't know. Could it be anywhere else?
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: corn and beans at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (tkNkP)
They need a grand jury. A Washington DC grand jury.
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (xPl2J)
Venue for conspiracy charges can be levied in any district where an overt act took place. Supposedly this could be used to have a jury in Utah for example, since a lot of data passes through computer servers there.
Posted by: Liberty at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (2BaZC)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (NWiLs)
I'm thrilled to learn that the IG has cleared the Trump campaign to start spying on the DNC during the 2020 election.
Posted by: Professor Karlint at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (PtOP4)
Oh no, I'm pretty sure that's treason - even though Obama involved a FFG in and excuse to investigate his parties opponent, Trump can't do that.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (aJkzG)
Brennan - even he has said he probably would be asked by Durham - and
others have surely been asked by Durham about certain things.
Durham/Barr would not open a criminal investigation unless they planned
to bring charges. If not, why go thru the effort to open one when you
could just go thru the motions and be done with it?
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (zVXtJ)
What can Durham do when the IG's report says no laws were broken? What is he going to prosecute?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (CQ3Qb)
Well, no. We asked him that and he said no. Case closed!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (so+oy)
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From the looks of it, it appears Horowitz just asked "did any of you guys use any bias in your decision making?"
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (bloh/)
I kinda liked it but I can't figure out what is going on or what the story is. Looked nice visually and I like the New Order song.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (KZzsI)
For months we were told ny Jack Straw and others that the IG Report was going to be damning--but limited in scope. Horowitz could only do som much. We were told time and time again not to expect orange jump suits and frog marches.
Now the report drops and the same people who wre saying all along that it was going to be a nothingburger are screaming the loudest that it's a nothingburger.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (CqE5x)
Amazing.*
* using the current definition of "amazing" - i.e. everyday, routine jaw-dropping nonsense that was unimaginable from almost every angle just a few years ago
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (El6T/)
Wait, let me start over...
Posted by: Sons O' Liberty 2.0 at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (koNhm)
@Techno_Fog
·
35m
IG REPORT
The FBI used Christopher Steele to get information on General Flynn.
FBI promised Steele he would be paid "significantly" for this information.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (vEIlU)
Barr doesn't like this "report" nor does Durham apparently, so if they whiff on it, then I will disappear from the 'Net and y'all can watch what happens next.
Posted by: Irongrampa at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (KATBx)
than private sector people, which is generally true, but the benefits
make up the difference and then some.
Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (gAMkn)
______
Well, on the upside -- it's easy to fire federal employees, so at least we've got that going for us.
Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (lgy2g)
@brookefoxnews
NEW: in a rare statement,US Attorney John Durham says:
"Based on the evidence collected to date,and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
yep
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (vEIlU)
Holy crapoly....that's pretty damn significant!
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: LOL
Scrawls LOL on 30 06 shell
In the end it will work out just fine AH
Posted by: Sock Monkey...imperialist stooge at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (Fy0Aq)
Good one. Reminds me of that Steve Buscemi scene in Billy Madison.
Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (377Zs)
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If the rank and file don't care that the leadership of their organization has shredded the FBI's credibility and good standing with the voting public that typically supports law enforcement, then why should we care about the rank and file.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 01:51 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at December 09, 2019 01:51 PM (JP4mP)
You really think it's ridiculous to think that certain interests run info ops to advance their narratives and to send Judas goats to lead their enemies to wait peacefully for their own destruction?
Certainly, there is some subset of "true believers" like the ones you mention. Which is why it's useful to have someone out there nudging them to wait just a bit longer for Steiner to save them.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 01:51 PM (P96+U)
Posted by: Tommy V at December 09, 2019 01:51 PM (GCivW)
*spit*
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:51 PM (emUSt)
....yeah, yeah, CA, we know you're on it.
Posted by: Blake - Blackberry for the win at December 09, 2019 01:51 PM (9V9l3)
It's meaningless unless people go to jail.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize
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#TwoWeeks, we promise.
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (M9ntN)
Naw, this IG report will sink whatever Durham has going - its exhibit a for the defense. It needed to be damning - or neutral at best - not come out an exonerate everyone down to Al Capone - its a disaster. I still think that when the press saw through the window Trump going off on Barr, this is the shit he was getting heated over - and if so, he was right to take the bark right off of Barr's ass over this - its a monumental fuck up.
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (CQ3Qb)
That is not what the IG really said and he is not tasked with making a decision like that anyway. You all are making to much of what an IG does and does not do.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (cEsBM)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (aS1PU)
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This report could've been written over a year ago.
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (bloh/)
Now, commence firing.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (NVYyb)
But, then, I always thought he had something on them anyway.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (vEIlU)
"Based on the evidence collected to date,and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
yep
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (vEIlU)
Holy crapoly....that's pretty damn significant!
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Not if no arrests are made.
Forget arrests - how about some firings.
How about some house cleaning.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (I3OPu)
THIS
Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (CqE5x)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (zr5Kq)
I think this is over. Shut it down, shut it all down."
No. There's quite a bit of value for Joe and Jane Normie to see what "their" government is and how it behaves.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (iw59Q)
at least more democratic. Only elites here can do whatever they want
without fear. Everyone else lives in fear of the boot.
Posted by: Tim at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (Wp/ZE)
Mexico?
Posted by: Somegu:
I'd prefer that type of corruption where anybody can bribe official or cops to get out of trouble. Much more fair than our US system of corruption where only those with proper credentials and connections get benefits.
Posted by: Ripley at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (MxEKc)
Holding on to their job and pension matters more than honor, justice, and truth, evidently. No one should really be surprised, just remember this every time you talk about civil war and how the military won't fight against Americans or how we can rely on the police.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Former Lurker at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (jZKiq)
Steele was totally biased but the FBI proceeded anyway. They weren't biased, so it's ok.
Lots of mistakes were made. Prolly shouldn't have gotten a warrant, but nothing nefarious going on.
It's all good though. Lessons learned. FBI should do better next time. Or else!
Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (gAMkn)
Statement of U.S. Attorney John H. Durham
"I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff. However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (Mh0FI)
That's right, there were plenty of "rank and file" members of the FBI that participated in Mueller's witch hunt and said nothing. The swamp is wide and deep.
Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (JP4mP)
Posted by: Tim at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (Wp/ZE)
Mexico?
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 01:46 PM (7nTlT)
Greece has a better climate, IMO.
Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (tVQUs)
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (M+Lyo)
Kabukakke.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (sm6Pk)
Posted by: Liberty at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (2BaZC)
It was speculated that Utah was the reason Huber was asked to do his investigation. But that is looking more like something Jeff Sessions did to get everybody off his back.
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (xPl2J)
@brookefoxnews
NEW: in a rare statement,US Attorney John Durham says:
"Based on the evidence collected to date,and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
yep
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (vEIlU)
Holy crapoly....that's pretty damn significant!
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (cF8AT)
HUGE
Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (CqE5x)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (2DOZq)
You mean the way the Mueller report sank what Schiff and Nadler had going?
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (vPKfA)
Meekly? Totally mute?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (7jTtI)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 09, 2019 01:49 PM (aS1PU)
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This report could've been written over a year ago.
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (bloh/)
Bureaucracy gotta bureaucate.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (aS1PU)
That is as far as the IG can take it.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (1g7ch)
"Based on the evidence collected to date,and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."
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"We advised them that the terms clearly state that 72 hours must pass before releasing documents on page 6, 15, and 24, and they released pages 6 and 24 after only 48 hours had passed."
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (3rtj0)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (aJkzG)
Do you have any doubt about that? Dog and pony show. They'll condemn some players but no one will be held accountable. As always.
Meanwhile, the president will be impeached, because the GOP blows.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (AFSld)
He audits the agency's compliance with law and agency policy.
That's it.
Of course, MSM is happy to keep people ignorant on that.
Barr and Durham have already publically disagreed that the FBI is exonerated. And they are the ones who make that call from a law enforcement standing.
Additionally, don't be surprised when this report leads to sweeping changes re: FISA warrants, which is sorely needed.
Posted by: Venus at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (lZaEn)
than private sector people, which is generally true, but the benefits make up the difference and then some.
Job security is supposed to be the biggest one, and why their pay and other benefits are always meant to be lower than private sector. At least, until they unionized.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (KZzsI)
But with the amount of malfeasance called out in this report, the recommendations are, in essence, "the FBI should follow the rules and its own procedures, as they did not in this case. The FBI should develop more procedures and involve more senior executives more often. We're auditing the organization and recommend more training. Specific individuals in this particular farce should be reviewed by OPR."
That is the whitewash - not on the IG's scope and limitations, but on their list of recommendations.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Van Jones at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (CqE5x)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (pilVY)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (aS1PU)
And earn their phony balony salaries
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (cEsBM)
AP - FBI's Russia probe justified, no bias found.
Case closed. The Deep State can do whatever it wants
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (mpeBU)
Forget arrests - how about some firings.
How about some house cleaning.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (sX1BW)
Durham (and Barr) seem to be the ones with the real power. And if the statement from Durham is any indication...I think (hope?) something big comes from him.
I was always kinda meh about Horowitz.
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (cF8AT)
Not exactly, they can conclude the obvious based on evidence and logic that misdeeds took place and power was abused, procedure was not followed, and evidence was tampered with. They chose not to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (KZzsI)
But when my college gets burglarized for over a half million bucks worth of copper they wouldn't even give notice that they're going to do nothing.
Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (Y274z)
Posted by: Sherpa_K2 at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (BsCoj)
You mean the way the Mueller report sank what Schiff and Nadler had going?
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 01:53 PM (ZGrMX)
You know this only works in one-direction, right?
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
This ^^^
"Your Honor, even the FBI/DOJ own IG said there was no criminality here! My clients are innocent!"
Case dismissed
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (32YRo)
tasked with making a decision like that anyway. You all are making to
much of what an IG does and does not do.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (cEsBM)
The exec summary says no rules were broken and that people just made errors in judgement. Things were withheld from FISA courts but not not on purpose. Translation: "no intent".
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (CQ3Qb)
Fuck them, too. The rank and file know their bureau is disgustingly corrupt and they say nothing. They're no better than their bosses.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp
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Hell, it's like I say, this report is Christmas for them. "Look at all the shit it turns out we can get away with!"
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (M9ntN)
It's the middle finger and the Aphex Twin-level Shit-Eating-Grin they've giving as they hand down the whitewash.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (sm6Pk)
He was furious.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (pilVY)
Try replacing "Youtube" in the url with "Hooktube".
Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (tVQUs)
I guarantee he was not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (KZzsI)
Hannity, Soloman, etc. were all-in on this investigation and Justice Come a Callin'. When its actually an inverse of the Russian Collusion scam. With the Russia scam, there was no evidence, but there was massive appearance of investigatory action making it look like there was. When the smoke cleared, there was no evidence. So it was all talk.
Here, there is evidence, mountains of it, however the was no appearance of serious investigation. All done behind the scenes. They gather all the facts (which, unlike Muh Russia, are damning), but since they can't ignore it, they then right it all off as "mistakes were made, judgment call, etc.". Sound familiar (Hillary Clinton's offenses she walked away on due to "no intent" when the investigation SCREAMED intent).
Difference - there is criminality with the FISA/Coup, but its pooh-poohed. Meanwhile, we'll Lynch Trump because he didn't return the Little Engine that Could to his Elementary School Library when he was 7.
All is not lost. Barr's investigation is what really matters, but only a fool refuses to see this Report as what it is - excusing the crime as "discretion" and undermining Barr to cast his criminal investigation as partisan. This is EXACTLY why you don't let the IG go first, spinning his wheels with limited scope, and why you DON'T do this type of investigation in an election year.
Oh, and any QAnon followers, I hope ya know that is a disinformation op itself, designed to keep Trump supporters docile and compliant and to rely on "official investigations" despite appearances to the contrary, until time runs out and statutes of limitations or terms in office expire. Q says to "trust the plan" when there isn't one. Oops, ya found out too late.
As a guy on Twitter posted, the Left doesn't have to "trust the plan" - they just charge, convict and sentence their political opponents. And Giuliani is next.
Expect Hannity, etc. to take a hit on viewers, ala Madcow. No need to
tune in to hear some false hope. I will live life, but be sure to get back to me when
Barr actually perp walks some muthers. Until then, its oral flatulence.
One more legitimate avenue of consequence removed from us. They are running low now.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (i6shs)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: Caspar Whiteberger at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (1g7ch)
But with the amount of malfeasance called out in this report, the recommendations are, in essence, "the FBI should follow the rules and its own procedures, as they did not in this case. The FBI should develop more procedures and involve more senior executives more often. We're auditing the organization and recommend more training. Specific individuals in this particular farce should be reviewed by OPR."
That is the whitewash - not on the IG's scope and limitations, but on their list of recommendations.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 01:54 PM (I2dne)
And the recommendations is the propaganda for the enemy as Horowitz intended. This was no mistake.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (emUSt)
You really think it's ridiculous to think that certain interests run info ops to advance their narratives and to send Judas goats to lead their enemies to wait peacefully for their own destruction?
Certainly, there is some subset of "true believers" like the ones you mention. Which is why it's useful to have someone out there nudging them to wait just a bit longer for Steiner to save them.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 01:51 PM (P96+U)
Here's the thing. They're incompetent. This is not to say that propaganda and psy ops do not exist, but if Russian efforts might be considered some of the best in the world, US efforts may be considered someof the worst.
The Iran deal is an example of what they consider to be successfully fooling the rubes(who were not in fact fooled).
There is not one masterfully crafted conspiracy but a few hundred incompetent ones.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (7nTlT)
B) You do not have to be a Lawyer to know A
C) If you do not agree with what I said in A, you are inherently Biased
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (cEsBM)
And there are still parts I need to read.
But so far the IG's product, as with the Mid-Year Exam report, is a huge problem in itself. We are literally getting "mistakes were made" about obvious, unprecedented abuses *which are entirely within the IG's ambit*.
This is "these judgements were not unreasonable" all over again.
Unless I'm missing a lot, which is possible.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (El6T/)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
This ^^^
"Your Honor, even the FBI/DOJ own IG said there was no criminality here! My clients are innocent!"
Case dismissed
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (32YRo)
The IG is an internal inquiry that means essentially nothing, at least in the real world.
Durham and Barr coming out and rebuking this is kind of a big effing deal.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (zBaqJ)
Hit the Ace tip jar. We're going to need him.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (1CjJc)
Seconded.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 09, 2019 01:45 PM (ayFCE)
For the cost of 1,000 9mm 124 grain FMJ, you, too, can keep an ewok in valuerite and shelf repair kits.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 01:57 PM (1CjJc)
For months we were told ny Jack Straw and others that the IG Report was going to be damning--but limited in scope. Horowitz could only do som much. We were told time and time again not to expect orange jump suits and frog marches.
Now the report drops and the same people who wre saying all along that it was going to be a nothingburger are screaming the loudest that it's a nothingburger.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 01:50 PM (CqE5x)
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You right, tick tock
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:57 PM (bloh/)
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 01:55 PM (M9ntN)
It's pretty blatant that they can get away with anything. Why would they care about the report?
Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (tVQUs)
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (32YRo)
It can only be so damning. Remember, even if we don't like McCabe, Brennan, etc, this report can't come out and said they broke the law. Because that requires a jury/court. They did not follow company policy is as tough as it's going to get.
And these folks aren't able to use this to defend themselves. Remember, Horowitz only spoke to people who are still at the Gov't. And he can't compel testimony. It's the people who aren't there (Ohr excluded) who are the main characters. How could a report on them, with out the ability to talk to them, possibly say "they broke the law."
Again, I refer you to Mollie H.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (zVXtJ)
Yes, but he could have been more direct/damning of all the malfeasance at the FBI. But he's in the circle, so the Feebs get a Hillary write-up.
Fire/transfer this prick by the end of the week, Mr. President.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (AFSld)
tasked with making a decision like that anyway. You all are making to
much of what an IG does and does not do.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:52 PM (cEsBM)
it was a total waste of time and taxpayer money, it sounds like
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (ZA8br)
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 01:47 PM (zVXtJ)
Au contraire. Prosecutors using a Grand Jury have two options: Indict or shut up. Shut up means you never hear of the sealed Grand Jury testimony.
UNLESS you are out to get Trump, then an Obama judge will unseal the testimony
Posted by: FloridaMan at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (r28kI)
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:57 PM (bloh/)
Tick Tock is a diner on Route 3 in NJ
Posted by: Van Jones at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (CqE5x)
Mom: No, we have Criminal Indictments at home.
Criminal Indictments at home: *this IG report*
guys, it's hard to meme through the grey boxes.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (x2wJm)
There was some funny stuff over the weekend where the Drudge Report twitter account mocked Bongino's Secret Service past and then deleted the tweet. That was followed by Rasmussen (the polling people) saying they'd heard that Matt Drudge had completely sold out and was no longer involved with his own website, which is why it went left.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (3ZQT1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (vEIlU)
IGs? Yup pretty much.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (cEsBM)
It is illegal for a Republican to win the presidency who is not part of the uniparty. The entire edifice of our government is in agreement on this and is allowed to use any means possible to prevent such a thing from happening.
The Republic was nice while it lasted.
Posted by: Thatch at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (zW1B4)
Even if you try to drain it beavers will dam it up agin.
Posted by: Zombie Daniel Boone at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (l3+k2)
I guess I just don't get one essential element - at some point didn't anyone say "Whoa, wait, we are going to do what now?
Spy on the Trump campaign?" I mean, they just assumed this would be perfectly fine and a-ok. No biggy - just wiretap a presidential candidate.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (+DS2f)
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (sD1Jj)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (ycWCI)
Barr should fire Horowitz now.
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2019 01:39 PM (9221z)
Link please for Durham
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 01:48 PM (CmURZ)
Ace just posted it
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (9221z)
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Statements will not rebuke this.
Arrests and prosecutions do.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (eoQWY)
>>Although we
did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
part of the case agents who assisted in preparing the applications, or the agents
and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information. . .
I'm reading that as essentially "no intent, so it's all good" - is that about right?
Posted by: Lizzy
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I'm reading it as essentially "the subjects wouldn't answer our questions, so never mind."
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: JoeF
Because we were TOLD to STFU & STFU because "is too".
We SAID nothing was going to happen and we were told it was.
Because if what you say were true, JackStraw and I would have had nothing to argue about. Because I said from jump street that nothing was going to happen.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (7jTtI)
@Techno_Fog
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12m
IG Report confirms our previous suspicions:
Counter-intelligence investigations undertaken for FARA violations (conflated with 951 violations).
don't understand this
but they say in May
Suspicions starting to emerge: The DOJ's failure to enforce FARA violations was intentional.
Not because they ignored the law - but because the DOJ used FARA (or conflated as Section 951) "violations" as a predicate to obtain FISA warrants.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Augustine at December 09, 2019 01:43 PM (BDZWU)
Kennedy's warning seems especially prescient here. They may imagine they can hold onto power against the consent of the governed.
Whether they actually can is something else entirely.
Posted by: Cato, Deep State Delenda Est at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (J+mig)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (Dh1wo)
And that's how Hillary walked away scot free. Now repeat with McCabe, Comey, Brennan. Clapper, Page, Strzok, etc, etc.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (AFSld)
Durham and Barr coming out and rebuking this is kind of a big effing deal.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (zBaqJ)
After these IG reports and the way they've been deliberately worded anything Barr and Durham try to prosecute will easily be spun as political retribution.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (CQ3Qb)
I'm a big fan of reciprocity.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (i6shs)
Posted by: McCool
Barter goods. Airline bottles of booze, cigarettes, peanut butter, .22 ammo and shotgun shells.
Posted by: Sock Monkey...willing to pay the price for my children's freedom at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (Fy0Aq)
As this 'conspiracy' is now OFFICIALLY debunked.
Any talk of this on YouTube, or Twitter, or Facybook, will be censored.
Bank on it.
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (NgKpN)
The intent is the whole ball of wax actually, their political motivations for doing it, but its not need to prosecute, however Horowitz gave a report to say it was and they had none.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (r+sAi)
Durham is calling bullshit.
Barr should fire Horowitz now.
Posted by: Iblis
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Obama didn't hesitate to do just that when an IG crossed one of Obama's buddies.
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (M9ntN)
I can't think of one.
Even Mueller was a dud.
Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (gAMkn)
The tell came from Carter Page, who was quoted numerous times saying that no statements were taken from him and he volunteered to give them, hence no subpoena would have been required. No surprises here.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (iw59Q)
UNLESS you are out to get Trump, then an Obama judge will unseal the testimony
Posted by: FloridaMan at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (r28kI)
You think Barr/Durham coming out immediately and saying they disagree with Horowitz really leads to the latter option? Why would they do that? To make themselves look bad? To only say: Nevermind ??
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (zVXtJ)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
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Meetings, notes, phone calls, recollections, hurt feelings, what the Founders intended. Lots of stuff.
Oh wait....
Posted by: Ripley at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (MxEKc)
After these IG reports and the way they've been deliberately worded anything Barr and Durham try to prosecute will easily be spun as political retribution.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
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Exactly. Everyone is now immune.
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (M9ntN)
I guess I just don't get one essential element - at some point didn't anyone say "Whoa, wait, we are going to do what now?
Spy on the Trump campaign?" I mean, they just assumed this would be perfectly fine and a-ok. No biggy - just wiretap a presidential candidate.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (+DS2f)
It just shows that spying on Americans is normal procedure, not something exceptional that needs justification. Otherwise they would have provided more convincing cover for themselves.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (3ZQT1)
Posted by: Bean Counteress of Rohan at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (2+j2N)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (3ZQT1)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (iw59Q)
Or, what could Page possibly say about anything of an internal review? He has no knowledge of that information.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (zVXtJ)
As this 'conspiracy' is now OFFICIALLY debunked.
Any talk of this on YouTube, or Twitter, or Facybook, will be censored.
Bank on it.
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (NgKpN)
The Mueller report officially debunked the Russiagate conspiracy nonsense, yet it is still being used by the MSM and Democrats today.
We don't have to buy their report nor their analysis.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (3ZQT1)
Have had one for years.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (eoQWY)
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Miss Page always has lots of gums with her.
Posted by: FrodoB at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (XiQ9r)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 01:56 PM (zBaqJ)
Which is why they both should RECUSE themselves!
Posted by: Media is 5 minutes.... at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (CqE5x)
Keep it up assholes. See what happens.
Tea Party was soap box
Trump was ballot box
Try to figure out what comes next. Perhaps read some Kipling.
Posted by: milquetoast bourgeoisie mortgage-paying neighbor in flyover country at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (TPgeI)
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (FEQY4)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (iw59Q)
Or, what could Page possibly say about anything of an internal review? He has no knowledge of that information."
Page could confirm or debunk claims made about him in 302's, etc. Discrepancies are noted in the report between what was real and what was claimed.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
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Exactly. Everyone is now immune.
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (M9ntN)
Barr and Durham investigations were already in the pipeline when this came out.
Posted by: Media is 5 minutes.... at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (CqE5x)
Posted by: FrodoB at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (XiQ9r)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
It means a lot, JJ - you're not going to get very far down the "prosecution" road if the internal watch dog at the DOJ says everyone is innocent. Even McCarthy is saying this is not helpful to any case for a spygate conspiracy. The defense will use this report like as cane over the head of the prosecution, if it even gets that far.
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (32YRo)
Different languages used in training manuals?
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (9Om/r)
government the United States Intelligence Community
(USIC) deems trustworthy, and describing a first-hand
account from an FFG employee of a conversation with
Papadopoulos, was sufficient to predicate the
investigation."
The issue is that PapaD talked about Hillary's emails with Downer, after he was told about them by Stefan Halper, a CIA operative.
The entrapment was that this info about Hillary was injected into PapaD to be extracted by Downer later in order to serve as the predicate.
Horowitz can't interview Halper, he has no jurisdiction.
Barr and Durham went to Italy and got Halper on tape in a interview about this.
So in effect Horowitz is drawing an unsubstantiated conclusion based on incomplete information.
Posted by: Flubber at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (PQnIX)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (Oq/TM)
Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (TlQrr)
We SAID nothing was going to happen and we were told it was.
Because if what you say were true, JackStraw and I would have had nothing to argue about. Because I said from jump street that nothing was going to happen.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (7jTtI)
If the report said that everyone was stone guilty, and deserved to burn in hell, still at this point NOTHING WILL HAVE HAPPENED. It is just a report.
Now that it is here, its information can be used as information by either side. The report says bad stuff went down, people did bad stuff, Justice can use that to take action or not take action.
Media can spin this their way, Trump can use it for his purposes. So far, he has been a better spinner than they are, to more people.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (eoQWY)
"Have you no sense of decency, Sir?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8llS0ZkLVGA
Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (EMi53)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (qu1px)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (oiW2a)
Posted by: Inspector General Pitch Meeting at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (IdZgM)
far down the "prosecution" road if the internal watch dog at the DOJ
says everyone is innocent. Even McCarthy is saying this is not helpful
to any case for a spygate conspiracy. The defense will use this report
like as cane over the head of the prosecution, if it even gets that far.
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (32YRo)
The internal watchdog did not say everyone was innocent though. He said the Steele Dossier was used to get the FISA warrant and that there was wrongdoing there. Just because the guilty were not stupid enough to talk about their conspiracy using intraoffice memos or FBI email does not mean evidence does not exist in places and with people that the IG was not tasked, or even allowed, to talk to.
Posted by: red at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (ERkyq)
Posted by: Cromwell's Ghost at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (56r43)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (oiW2a)
He didn't but he does not have to.
Posted by: red at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (ERkyq)
I mean once Durham turned criminal... the IG report to me really didn't matter.
Posted by: Reality Man at December 09, 2019 02:36 PM (xOBRH)
Posted by: Reality Man at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (xOBRH)
This is their M.O. Accuse your enemies with what you are doing in Spades.
Now they are murmuring about "treason", I guess we are about to find a vast gallery of candidates for DC's skeleton wind chimes dangling from the lampposts of Constitution Avenue.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (DfaM+)
What is the equivalent of the Lubyanka?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (DfaM+)
Posted by: mediapostate at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (0/r+h)
Posted by: aelfheld at December 09, 2019 04:11 PM (IxDhF)
Dude has literally never been right about anything.
Posted by: Ree at December 09, 2019 04:28 PM (N3yvc)
Posted by: DFCtomm at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (50gG9)
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 04:44 PM (U7k5w)
Durham is coming!
Posted by: Mobile Goal Posts at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (6A9Kg)
hahahaha I'm amazed that you all continue to believe that the bureaucracy will begin to police the bureaucracy. I don't know if you all are just plucky go getters or dumb as fuck. It's a toss up.
Posted by: DFCtomm at December 09, 2019 04:55 PM (50gG9)
How many boxes have we exhausted yet?
Posted by: jdgalt at December 09, 2019 08:28 PM (3SFo/)
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