Mid-Morning Art Thread [Kris]

Poussin Arcadia.jpg


Et in Arcadia ego
Nicolas Poussin

Nicholas Poussin was one of the most influential painters of the Baroque era. While other Baroque artists were composing art with dramatic forms and lighting, vivid, radiant color, and huge action, Poussin’s art is quiet scenes of heavy classicism. “Poussinisme” would come to describe art that emphasizes form over color, with clean lines and defined pictorial regions, and compositions that appealed to the mind rather than the heart or emotions. His style would define French tastes for almost a century, until the rise of Rococo.

This work is a pastoral, artworks in idyllic landscapes that a viewer is supposed to just enjoy. The subjects are usually shepherds who while away their days playing their pan flutes or lutes, or just relax, while their animals graze in lush, green fields. Arcadia was an area in ancient Greece where Pan, the god of herds, lived, so an “Arcadia” in art is a pastoral located in ancient Greece.

In “Et in Arcadia Ego”, we see three male shepherds and one female figure. The males crowd around a large stone object that just sits on a rise in the middle of this landscape. It is engraved with the work’s title, which translates to: “I am also in Arcadia.” They think about this when a woman appears. She is not with the men because her clothes and body language are different, and the men seem to defer to her. Usually artists will use attributes to identify their figures so audiences don’t have to guess. Poussin has left her identification ambiguous. Many scholars I’ve read believe she is a goddess.

The woman is tall and statuesque. One hand is on her hip while she gently rest the other on the back of the red shepherd. No emotion shows on her face. If she is a goddess then Poussin is adhering to the Classical trait of aloofness in the gods. She seems to listen patiently to their questions about the object and its meaning.

The color palette is subdued here except in the cloaks of the three central figures. This immediately draws our attention to them. Each figure wears one of the primary colors for further emphasis. Of these three, I think the two on the right, dressed in red and yellow, are the most important. The two most vivid colors right next to each other radiate in the neutral browns and tans surrounding them. These figures are opposites: male and female, body and spirit, confusion and confidence, bent over and standing straight, ignorance and knowledge, emotion and rationality. I think Poussin might be acknowledging the two sides of human existence, but is placing importance on rationality and knowledge and saying that they are found in the Divine.

The goddess is almost mirrored by the young man in tan on the very left. Unlike his friends, he doesn’t examine the inscription closely. Instead it seems as though he realizes its implication, accepts its truth, and is saddened by it. His world isn’t what he thought it was. I think the drab color in his outfit may be a reflection of his mood. I also like that, while he is standing while his friend crouch, he is still not as straight or tall as the goddess. This emphasizes her authority and importance further.

The painting is laid out like a scene in a play. Everything is centered and right up front. The gestures are clear and the figures are very well-defined. The landscape is like a painted backdrop in a play. It establishes that Arcadia is truly paradise—beautiful, with green fields and picturesque mountains that stretch as far as the eye can see. But in the center of it all, mounted on a rise for all to see, is the object and its inscription. Its meaning cannot be ignored.

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM




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1 Sponge!

Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2019 09:30 AM (cF8AT)

2 I don't get it.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 09:30 AM (O+iVW)

3 Art! Thx kris

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 20, 2019 09:30 AM (PkVlr)

4 not sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 09:31 AM (q80AH)

5 Ancient aliens...gotta be.

Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2019 09:31 AM (X/Pw5)

6 Is the guy in blue sticking his finger in a dyke?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 09:32 AM (ob5xJ)

7 Looks like the chick is saying "I told you to ask for directions back at the last stop."

Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2019 09:33 AM (ZfRYq)

8 Momma aint happy

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 09:33 AM (G546f)

9 That doesn't look like any 'ette that I know.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:33 AM (Boy/L)

10
"Crack this safe!"

"But I see no tumbler dial here, as this is not a safe!"

"Question me not, yokel! Crack this safe!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:33 AM (pNxlR)

11
Ancient video game arcades kind of sucked. Pac-Man drawn in charcoal on a stone lacks something...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2019 09:34 AM (kw0bd)

12 The body language of the two on the left to me suggests they aren't aware of the woman's presence.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 09:34 AM (O+iVW)

13 Willowed, in case anyone is curious about last Saturday's election in LA:

And in 100 comments you are welcome to chat about it. [CBD]

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:34 AM (Lyh9/)

14 Ancient Greeks Build a Backyard Barbecue
Wife Supervises

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 20, 2019 09:34 AM (oVJmc)

15 thanks Kris for this insight - I know little about art [or Art], so your
descriptions are always interesting!

Posted by: geezer der mensch at November 20, 2019 09:34 AM (D80T6)

16 You guys are supposed to be working, nit goofing off and getting stoned

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 09:34 AM (G546f)

17 13 Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:34 AM (Lyh9/)

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Dude, please remember the 100 post rule on art threads. CBD justly guards that rule.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 09:35 AM (q80AH)

18 If it ain't Barouqe, don't fix it

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 09:35 AM (KUaJL)

19 Thank you, Kris. I like this painting. And I always enjoy your commentary.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2019 09:36 AM (aXucN)

20
I, Too, Am In Arcadia


I see no PacMan here

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:36 AM (pNxlR)

21 Nicholas Poussin was one of the most influential painters of the Baroque era.

Influential? Pffft! The guy was a chicken when it came to art.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (ejd/p)

22 Yay Kris!

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (y7DUB)

23 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (arJlL)

24 The goddess is almost mirrored by the young man in tan on the very left. Unlike his friends, he doesn't examine the inscription closely. Instead it seems as though he realizes its implication, accepts its truth, and is saddened by it. His world isn't what he thought it was.


You're ugly and your momma dresses you funny.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (ob5xJ)

25 There are two specific images that give away the meaning of the piece. I'll reveal them when the comments reach 100 or so.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (OyyDO)

26 I'm going to have to read Kris's description again. I think I'm missing something.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (lwiT4)

27 Et in Arcadia Ego

-Paolo

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 09:38 AM (KUaJL)

28
Nicholas Poussin


He was cruelly, and inaccurately, called "Fish-Face" behind his back.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:38 AM (pNxlR)

29 17 13 Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:34 AM (Lyh9/)

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Dude, please remember the 100 post rule on art threads. CBD justly guards that rule.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 09:35 AM (q80AH)


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Huh, I've seen people post willowed stuff in morning threads before, but, ok, I'll wait next time.

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:38 AM (Lyh9/)

30 But in the center of it all, mounted on a rise for all to see, is the object and its inscription. Its meaning cannot be ignored.


It says 'Drink More Ovaltine'.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:38 AM (lwiT4)

31 Honestly looks like a tomb to me with the dead person revealed only to the one guy on the right.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 09:38 AM (O+iVW)

32 The body language of the two on the left to me suggests they aren't aware of the woman's presence.
Posted by: Someguy


"And I told her, no, it's ok. Just put it in your mouth. It'll be ok. Trust me."

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 09:39 AM (ob5xJ)

33 High Art. Not cartoonish. Like me. Would put on wall.

Posted by: Calvin at November 20, 2019 09:39 AM (vqIkG)

34 One of the shepherds drew a dick on that rock.
She is making them clean it off.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 09:39 AM (88+cf)

35 Oh, and the artist has an unfortunate last name.

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:39 AM (Lyh9/)

36
Shepherd Tranny Story Hour..... hard pass

Posted by: I may be drunk, but I ain't THAT drunk at November 20, 2019 09:39 AM (nEmT7)

37 hiya
Posted by: JT


Morning again.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 09:39 AM (ob5xJ)

38
The goddess tagged the farter.

His companions already knew who did it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:40 AM (pNxlR)

39 21 Nicholas Poussin was one of the most influential painters of the Baroque era.

Influential? Pffft! The guy was a chicken when it came to art.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (ejd/p)

Perhaps, but he had the ear of the king, and his style would be THE accepted style for the French Royal Academy. The French Academy essentially set the bar for art for the next 200 years. Including the American ones even after the Revolution.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 09:40 AM (OyyDO)

40 18
If it ain't Barouqe, don't fix it


... tempting ...


Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 20, 2019 09:40 AM (XzVUd)

41 I like the one-shoulder look. Don't know how they manage to keep it on though. Maybe some of that sticky tape they use on cleavage.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:40 AM (lwiT4)

42 Many scholars believe "I am also in Arcadia" refers to Death, but the Horde knows it realky refers to surprise otter

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 09:40 AM (G546f)

43 The goddess seems like she needs to hit the gym . . . but that could just be due to all the swaths of clothing she has on.

"Et in Arcadia ego" is Latin, yet these are supposed to be Greek shepherds? Even if they could read, if this is 800 B.C. or whatever it was, close to Homer's time, the Romans hadn't even gotten their village by the Tiber started yet. Well, a touch of anachronism gives the art critics something to wrangle over.

Good painting.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 09:41 AM (Ejm1K)

44 Huh, I've seen people post willowed stuff in morning threads before, but, ok, I'll wait next time.
Posted by: Jackal


CBD has recently started re-enforcing the rule.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 09:41 AM (ob5xJ)

45 Arcadian Graffiti

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 20, 2019 09:41 AM (PkVlr)

46 41 I like the one-shoulder look. Don't know how they manage to keep it on though. Maybe some of that sticky tape they use on cleavage.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:40 AM (lwiT4)

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Pine sap maybe?

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:41 AM (Lyh9/)

47
Being put in the box in Arcadia was tantamount to a death sentence.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:41 AM (pNxlR)

48 Dude, please remember the 100 post rule on art threads. CBD justly guards that rule.

He swims through the thread like a barracuda

Uh-oh ! Here he comes !

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 09:42 AM (arJlL)

49 Looks like Tom Sawyer whitewashing a fence.

Posted by: johnd01 at November 20, 2019 09:42 AM (ukNFU)

50 "Et in Arcadia ego" is Latin, yet these are supposed to be Greek shepherds? Even if they could read, if this is 800 B.C. or whatever it was, close to Homer's time, the Romans hadn't even gotten their village by the Tiber started yet. Well, a touch of anachronism gives the art critics something to wrangle over.

Good painting.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius



Good catch.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 09:42 AM (ob5xJ)

51 I hate it when I'm reading the interesting description of the painting about the shepherds and the goddess when my IPad news alert flashes with the Sondland 'bombshell.'
This is why the right can never have nice things.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 20, 2019 09:42 AM (wiXsO)

52 CBD, the goddess is likely Despoina. Despoina was the daughter of Demeter and Poseidon and sister of Arion. She was the goddess of mysteries of Arcadian cults who was worshipped under the title Despoina ("the mistress"), alongside her mother Demeter, one of the central figures of the Eleusinian Mysteries.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 09:42 AM (yRAFu)

53 Influential? Pffft! The guy was a chicken when it came to art.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (ejd/p)

He was only a chicken when he was young.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 09:43 AM (WI7YS)

54 *plays 2001: A Space Odyssey theme*

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 09:43 AM (HUANM)

55 Art that the viewer is supposed to enjoy, what kind of talk is that?

Posted by: Fat Man on an Ottoman at November 20, 2019 09:43 AM (H5knJ)

56 44 Huh, I've seen people post willowed stuff in morning threads before, but, ok, I'll wait next time.
Posted by: Jackal


CBD has recently started re-enforcing the rule.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 09:41 AM (ob5xJ)

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Huh, good to know. I haven't been following the morning stuff all that heavily for the past few months.

My apologies, CBD!

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:43 AM (Lyh9/)

57 12 The body language of the two on the left to me suggests they aren't aware of the woman's presence.
Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019


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A good point. It looks as though the goddess has just appeared, poof, and only the guy on the right has realized she's there. Sort of like, "Oops, maybe we weren't supposed to be poking around this monument because it's sacred to her --!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 09:43 AM (Ejm1K)

58 One of the shepherds drew a dick on that rock.
She is making them clean it off.
Posted by: Roland THTG


LOL !!!

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 09:43 AM (arJlL)

59
Reading slowly: "Eat ... moar ... chikin"

Sits back: "It's a crummy commercial!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:43 AM (pNxlR)

60 The mood I'm getting from this painting is about the same as what you'd see if you took the characters and photoshopped them into a scene where the 3 dudes were trying unsuccessfully to change a tire or something and the woman's watching and judging.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 09:44 AM (KUaJL)

61 31 Honestly looks like a tomb to me with the dead person revealed only to the one guy on the right.
Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 09:38 AM (O+iVW)

I like that. And the inscription is saying, then, "I am "in" Arcadia, too," lying dead here in the ground.

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 09:44 AM (oGFm1)

62 High Art. Not cartoonish. Like me. Would put on wall.
Posted by: Calvin



Just like Epstein, this ain't gonna hang itself.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 09:44 AM (ob5xJ)

63 60 The mood I'm getting from this painting is about the same as what you'd see if you took the characters and photoshopped them into a scene where the 3 dudes were trying unsuccessfully to change a tire or something and the woman's watching and judging.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 09:44 AM (KUaJL)

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Yeah, me too. Some things are timeless.

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:44 AM (Lyh9/)

64 I find paintings like this aggravating. There are clever ways of making the meaning of your puzzle clear. This one just assumes you'll infer what the clues are, what the references are to, and what the artist meant by including them. It's all so inside baseball that I just shut down and don't care. And that ticks me off, because I actually want to understand what motivates people.

It's why I'm even more irritated by modern art, where the meanings are not at all hidden, but simply unattainable by looking at some schmear on a wall. All meaning is projected onto the piece by the viewer, while the "artist" mocks the attempts at discerning what the hell he was thinking. And there's not even any skill displayed in the art in the first place.

Posted by: red speck at November 20, 2019 09:44 AM (nrC0n)

65 Her shoes. Would not buy.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:45 AM (lwiT4)

66 Looks like mom asked the kids to construct something in the garden and she is none too pleased with how they've been wasting their time.

Posted by: red speck at November 20, 2019 09:45 AM (nrC0n)

67 65 Her shoes. Would not buy.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:45 AM (lwiT4)

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Not a fan of sandals?

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:45 AM (Lyh9/)

68 Death is also in Paradise (Arcadia).

Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019 09:46 AM (5oWLH)

69 Now Kris has me crawling all over this thing trying to figure it out.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:46 AM (Boy/L)

70 doesn't this painting have something to do with the 'Holy Grail' / DaVinci code nonsense?

"So Lame The Hair Of Tom"

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at November 20, 2019 09:46 AM (saZtE)

71 If it ain't Baroque, don't fix it.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 09:46 AM (NWiLs)

72 The cat on the far left looks something like the young Elvis, if he'd grown his hair like that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 09:47 AM (Ejm1K)

73 43 The goddess seems like she needs to hit the gym . . . but that could just be due to all the swaths of clothing she has on.

"Et in Arcadia ego" is Latin, yet these are supposed to be Greek shepherds? Even if they could read, if this is 800 B.C. or whatever it was, close to Homer's time, the Romans hadn't even gotten their village by the Tiber started yet. Well, a touch of anachronism gives the art critics something to wrangle over.

Good painting.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 09:41 AM (Ejm1K)

For Western art of the time, anything classical might be Greek in origin but will be filtered through Rome. The gods will all have the Roman names, for example. But I think it's probably OK to think of classical imagery in art as Greco-Roman, rather than strictly Greek or strictly Roman.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 09:47 AM (OyyDO)

74 Unbeknownst to everyone, "Kilroy Was Here" was written on the back of the rock

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 20, 2019 09:47 AM (Oq/TM)

75 Now Kris has me crawling all over this thing trying to figure it out.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:46 AM (Boy/L)
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"How to keep a moron busy."

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2019 09:47 AM (aXucN)

76 In the north, we spell it borrow-cue, and while you dry-rub, we use lube.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at November 20, 2019 09:47 AM (HT4Y5)

77 Her shoes. Would not buy.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:45 AM (lwiT4)
************
She needs a pedicure.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 20, 2019 09:47 AM (wiXsO)

78 A democrat focus group has determined that accusing Trump of murder would be more damning than bribery.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 20, 2019 09:47 AM (LxTcq)

79 68 Death is also in Paradise (Arcadia).
Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019 09:46 AM (5oWLH)

Too bad they paved it and put in a parking lot.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (NWiLs)

80 64 I find paintings like this aggravating. There are clever ways of making the meaning of your puzzle clear. This one just assumes you'll infer what the clues are, what the references are to, and what the artist meant by including them. It's all so inside baseball that I just shut down and don't care. And that ticks me off, because I actually want to understand what motivates people.

It's why I'm even more irritated by modern art, where the meanings are not at all hidden, but simply unattainable by looking at some schmear on a wall. All meaning is projected onto the piece by the viewer, while the "artist" mocks the attempts at discerning what the hell he was thinking. And there's not even any skill displayed in the art in the first place.
Posted by: red speck at November 20, 2019 09:44 AM (nrC0n)

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I think that there are a lot of memes that are flying over our head when it comes to art. "The past is a different country" and all that.

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (Lyh9/)

81 Not a fan of sandals?

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:45 AM (Lyh9/)



Too strappy. I prefer flip flops.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (lwiT4)

82 I love it, great commentary too.

Posted by: CN at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (U7k5w)

83 Stop it Paolo!


Posted by: Arcadia at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (XzVUd)

84 75 Now Kris has me crawling all over this thing trying to figure it out.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:46 AM (Boy/L)
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"How to keep a moron busy."

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2019 09:47 AM (aXucN)

They are beautiful knockers aren't they?

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (O+iVW)

85 54 *plays 2001: A Space Odyssey theme*

You beat me to it. It also reminded me of the ape-men and the monolith.

Posted by: Pervy Grin at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (g2h27)

86 Fun fact that pollutes my brain: the name "Cajun" given to folks from a section of the US South (Louisiana, etc) derives from the word "Arcadia".

Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019 09:49 AM (5oWLH)

87 Now Kris has me crawling all over this thing trying to figure it out.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:46 AM (Boy/L)
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"How to keep a moron busy."
Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2019 09:47 AM (aXucN)

1. Bewbs
2. Art
3. Shelving
4. Archery
5. Global thermonuclear war

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:49 AM (Boy/L)

88 Too bad they paved it and put in a parking lot.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (NWiLs)

every time I hear that song, "parking lot" sounds like "f--king lie" to me

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 09:50 AM (G546f)

89 81 Not a fan of sandals?

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:45 AM (Lyh9/)



Too strappy. I prefer flip flops.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (lwiT

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Can't stand flip flops. They most certainly are not made for webbed toes.

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:50 AM (Lyh9/)

90 Woman: "Don't you have work to do."

Posted by: WisRich at November 20, 2019 09:50 AM (G0vdT)

91 52 CBD, the goddess is likely Despoina. Despoina was the daughter of Demeter and Poseidon and sister of Arion. She was the goddess of mysteries of Arcadian cults who was worshipped under the title Despoina ("the mistress"), alongside her mother Demeter, one of the central figures of the Eleusinian Mysteries.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 09:42 AM (yRAFu)

Interesting. I had not heard that one. I think she is someone else, but yours is a good idea too.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 09:50 AM (OyyDO)

92
I think that there are a lot of memes that are flying over our head when it comes to art. "The past is a different country" and all that.

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (Lyh9/)

Typically they follow pretty broadly employed rules though. Having a goddess(if that is what is intended) without any of her symbols(as far I can tell) is practically a party foul.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 09:50 AM (O+iVW)

93 Her shoes. Would not buy.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:45 AM (lwiT4)
************
She needs a pedicure.
Posted by: redridinghood


Needs a trip to the farrier.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (ob5xJ)

94 5. Global thermonuclear war

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Another Swalwell reference?

Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (sX1BW)

95 91 52 CBD, the goddess is likely Despoina. Despoina was the daughter of Demeter and Poseidon and sister of Arion. She was the goddess of mysteries of Arcadian cults who was worshipped under the title Despoina ("the mistress"), alongside her mother Demeter, one of the central figures of the Eleusinian Mysteries.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 09:42 AM (yRAFu)

Interesting. I had not heard that one. I think she is someone else, but yours is a good idea too.
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Despoina is later known as Persephone.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (yRAFu)

96 Does the guy with no shoes represent anything other than a guy with no shoes?

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (aXucN)

97
52 CBD, the goddess is likely Despoina. Despoina was the daughter of Demeter and Poseidon and sister of Arion. She was the goddess of mysteries of Arcadian cults who was worshipped under the title Despoina ("the mistress"), alongside her mother Demeter, one of the central figures of the Eleusinian Mysteries.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 09:42 AM (yRAFu)


Also the great grandmother, many generations back, of Don Demeter, outfielder with the Detroit Tigers in the mid-60s. Traded to them with another player, by the Phillies, in exchange for Jim Bunning, pitcher and future Hall of Famer, and another player.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (pNxlR)

98 Fun fact that pollutes my brain: the name "Cajun" given to folks from a section of the US South (Louisiana, etc) derives from the word "Arcadia".

Yep, after the British kicked the French out of Nova Scotia.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (Boy/L)

99
"Et in Arcadia ego" is Latin, yet these are supposed to be Greek shepherds? Even if they could read, if this is 800 B.C. or whatever it was, close to Homer's time, the Romans hadn't even gotten their village by the Tiber started yet. Well, a touch of anachronism gives the art critics something to wrangle over.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 09:41 AM (Ejm1K)

For Western art of the time, anything classical might be Greek in origin but will be filtered through Rome. The gods will all have the Roman names, for example. But I think it's probably OK to think of classical imagery in art as Greco-Roman, rather than strictly Greek or strictly Roman.
Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019


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Right. For Poussin's purposes, and no doubt to a lot of his public, the "ancient" world was all this monolithic Time Before Christ Came Along, all mixed together. My historian's mind was thinking of it as a snapshot in time: "800 B.C., and what the hell is a Roman inscription doing there?"

But exact historical accuracy was, I suppose, irrelevant to Poussin's purpose, like a modern moviemaker using a U.S. tank dressed in German colors and markings in a WWII film.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 09:52 AM (Ejm1K)

100 Despoina is later known as Persephone.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (yRAFu)

The paleness of skin certainly calls her to mind.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 09:52 AM (O+iVW)

101 Hey, nobody move! I just dropped a contact. Look around.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at November 20, 2019 09:52 AM (IttZ7)

102 92
I think that there are a lot of memes that are flying over our head when it comes to art. "The past is a different country" and all that.

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (Lyh9/)

Typically they follow pretty broadly employed rules though. Having a goddess(if that is what is intended) without any of her symbols(as far I can tell) is practically a party foul.
Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 09:50 AM (O+iVW)

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Unless the artist is trying to be sly and is implying her status by her dress (rich colors, gold sandals, etc).

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:52 AM (Lyh9/)

103 As I look closes at the inscription on the rock it appears to read... Epstein didn't kill himself.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 20, 2019 09:52 AM (wiXsO)

104
Despoina is later known as Persephone.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (yRAFu)


In a manner similar to Epstein, who now is known as Not A Suicide.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:53 AM (pNxlR)

105 "Guys, look, I know you're all taken by the skill in the carving, but I'm telling you they cheaped out on the materials. Look over here at this fissure, if this was legit stone it wouldn't be this wide alread..."

"What are you shitheads doing? You're flock's across half the district!"

"Sorry, bosslady, I guess we got carried away, what with our useless degrees in lesbian stonecarving we'll spend the rest of our lives paying for."

"Not my fault, now back to work!"

Posted by: Brother Cavil
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at November 20, 2019 09:53 AM (Rvlwi)

106 Nick Pussy took some great pictures, but this isn't one of 'em.

Posted by: monkey at November 20, 2019 09:53 AM (CLteG)

107 86 Fun fact that pollutes my brain: the name "Cajun" given to folks from a section of the US South (Louisiana, etc) derives from the word "Arcadia".
Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019


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I thought it was "Acadia," no "r." Did "Acadia" evolve from "Arcadia"?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 09:53 AM (Ejm1K)

108 86 derives from the word "Arcadia".


No "r".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadia

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 20, 2019 09:53 AM (XzVUd)

109 Fun fact that pollutes my brain: the name "Cajun" given to folks from a section of the US South (Louisiana, etc) derives from the word "Arcadia".

Yep, after the British kicked the French out of Nova Scotia.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (Boy/L)

"The Great Upheaval"

Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2019 09:53 AM (X/Pw5)

110 Me.
I mean, it's art, so that's good. But Poussin does "generic tree" so much that it's a trope with him. Check out his trees. They aren't really all that happy. You can't tell species or even genus. This one we have: OK, deciduous dicot. yay Poussy-boy.

Also, the painting could be improved by a cabin. Cabins are always nice.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (CPk08)

111 Interesting. I had not heard that one.
Posted by: Kris


Didja hear the one about The Farmer's Daughter ?

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (arJlL)

112
Right. For Poussin's purposes, and no doubt to a lot of his public, the "ancient" world was all this monolithic Time Before Christ Came Along, all mixed together. My historian's mind was thinking of it as a snapshot in time: "800 B.C., and what the hell is a Roman inscription doing there?"

But exact historical accuracy was, I suppose, irrelevant to Poussin's purpose, like a modern moviemaker using a U.S. tank dressed in German colors and markings in a WWII film.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 09:52 AM (Ejm1K)

Japanese people put English words on products because they think it looks cool. QED.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (O+iVW)

113 105 "Guys, look, I know you're all taken by the skill in the carving, but I'm telling you they cheaped out on the materials. Look over here at this fissure, if this was legit stone it wouldn't be this wide alread..."

"What are you shitheads doing? You're flock's across half the district!"

"Sorry, bosslady, I guess we got carried away, what with our useless degrees in lesbian stonecarving we'll spend the rest of our lives paying for."

"Not my fault, now back to work!"
Posted by: Brother Cavil
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at November 20, 2019 09:53 AM (Rvlwi)

==========

*nods sagaciously*

And Moby Dick was just about whaling.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (q80AH)

114 107 86 Fun fact that pollutes my brain: the name "Cajun" given to folks from a section of the US South (Louisiana, etc) derives from the word "Arcadia".
Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019

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I thought it was "Acadia," no "r." Did "Acadia" evolve from "Arcadia"?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019


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And the people of the Lafayette-Mamou-Ville Platte area still call it "Acadiana."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (Ejm1K)

115 88 Too bad they paved it and put in a parking lot.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 09:48 AM (NWiLs)

every time I hear that song, "parking lot" sounds like "f--king lie" to me
Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 09:50 AM (G546f)

They probably put a few of those in the application for a zoning variance.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (NWiLs)

116 those are some nice sandals. They look like Mephistos. I promise you no one who has owned Mephisto sandals says they don't like them.


Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (n13/j)

117
Unless the artist is trying to be sly and is implying her status by her dress (rich colors, gold sandals, etc).
Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:52 AM (Lyh9/)


She will impart to the Arcadians the secret for making rich Corinthian leather, which is inscribed on the rock.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (pNxlR)

118 Meh, not Me. whatever........

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (CPk08)

119 105 "Guys, look, I know you're all taken by the skill in the carving, but I'm telling you they cheaped out on the materials. Look over here at this fissure, if this was legit stone it wouldn't be this wide alread..."

"What are you shitheads doing? You're flock's across half the district!"

"Sorry, bosslady, I guess we got carried away, what with our useless degrees in lesbian stonecarving we'll spend the rest of our lives paying for."

"Not my fault, now back to work!"
Posted by: Brother Cavil
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at November 20, 2019 09:53 AM (Rvlwi)

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Now THAT is the story the painting tells me. I mean, look at her expression for crying out loud!

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (Lyh9/)

120 Does the guy with no shoes represent anything other than a guy with no shoes?



Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2019 09:51 AM (aXucN)

Paul McCartney.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (88+cf)

121 100
Despoina is later known as Persephone.


According to wiki, they are sisters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demeter

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (XzVUd)

122 111 Interesting. I had not heard that one.
Posted by: Kris

Didja hear the one about The Farmer's Daughter ?
Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (arJlL)

A perfect Horde conversation.

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (oGFm1)

123 very good commentary. my own inclination is to the classical over the romantic, line over color, structure over expression.

yet, here i've just bought my second old master painting (my first was a wonderful luca giordano), a large landscape by salvator rosa, perhaps the antithesis of poussin & claude, and considered a proto-romantic for generations of artists.

Posted by: mjc at November 20, 2019 09:56 AM (Pg+x7)

124 Paul McCartney.


Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (88+cf)



ISWYDT

Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:56 AM (lwiT4)

125 Art like this would have been for public viewing. This is about the time the Salon developed. The Salon was a biennial art show, free and open to the public. They were very popular. Almost anyone who went to one, where artwork like this was shown, would have known the imagery and symbols, and what they meant. Art at this time was meant to speak to as many viewers as possible because its purpose was to edify and teach. You can't do that if the meanings are obscure.

Modern and post-Modern art are the opposite. It's for the initiated only--like a mystery religion with secret rites. The artists painted for themselves and their buddies. If you don't get it, guess what? It's very pretentious and quite annoying. And still they wonder why people are turned off by it and them. Go figure.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 09:57 AM (OyyDO)

126 ... oops, i mentioned acquiring a painting... was that wrong?

Posted by: mjc at November 20, 2019 09:57 AM (Pg+x7)

127 *nods sagaciously*

And Moby Dick was just about whaling.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (q80AH)

------------------------------------

Wait. There's whaling in Moby Dick? I don't remember that. Maybe I shouldn't have stopped reading after 10 pages.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 20, 2019 09:58 AM (xsUk9)

128 127
Wait. There's whaling in Moby Dick? I don't remember that. Maybe I shouldn't have stopped reading after 10 pages.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 20, 2019 09:58 AM (xsUk9)

==========

You probably thought it was just about two guys sharing a bed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 09:58 AM (q80AH)

129 Things are going great at the Pentagon.

Air Force's Inventory Listed Wrong Sites for 79 Nuclear Missiles

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:58 AM (Boy/L)

130 Also, the painting could be improved by a cabin. Cabins are always nice.


Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (CPk0

A couple happy little trees would have helped also. Those in the background look a bit mad, if you ask me.

Posted by: Bob R. zombie at November 20, 2019 09:58 AM (vqIkG)

131
Also, the painting could be improved by a cabin. Cabins are always nice.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (CPk0


Thatched roof, smoke lazily ascending from the chimney and candlelit windows, too!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:59 AM (pNxlR)

132 rich Corinthian leather

None of those guys look like Ricardo Montalban.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 10:00 AM (Boy/L)

133 91I think she is someone else, but yours is a good idea too.
Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 09:50 AM (OyyDO)

Who?

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 10:00 AM (oGFm1)

134
Et in Arcadia ego was also the name of the part one of Brideshead Revisited. It was engraved on a skull in Charles Ryder's dorm room

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2019 10:00 AM (mpeBU)

135 Also, the painting could be improved by a cabin. Cabins are always nice.


Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (CPk0

A couple happy little trees would have helped also. Those in the background look a bit mad, if you ask me.
Posted by: Bob R. zombie at November 20, 2019 09:58 AM (vqIkG)
*************
Throw in some sheep and it would be perfect.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 20, 2019 10:00 AM (wiXsO)

136 Now THAT is the story the painting tells me. I mean, look at her expression for crying out loud!
Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (Lyh9/)

yeah, you can tell they were all looking at the rock and she sneaks up and puts her hand on one guy's shoulder and he looks startled and guilty
"busted!"

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:00 AM (G546f)

137 She will impart to the Arcadians the secret for making rich Corinthian leather, which is inscribed on the rock.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (pNxlR)

---------------------------------

Seeing as this leads to naked men on ottoman, she should have kept that information to herself.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 20, 2019 10:01 AM (xsUk9)

138 Things are going great at the Pentagon.

Air Force's Inventory Listed Wrong Sites for 79 Nuclear Missiles
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 09:58 AM (Boy/L)

********

Top
Men

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 20, 2019 10:01 AM (flINI)

139 Turned on the radio and more hearings going on (I thought they would take a day off to get the narrative straight) Witness is extremely aggressive, self-righteous, hostile to Trump. Who is this a-hole?

Posted by: Ripley at November 20, 2019 10:01 AM (MxEKc)

140 Man in blue tunic: I tell ya it's this doo- hicky right here that's the problem.

Posted by: Catwrangler at November 20, 2019 10:01 AM (hYrMH)

141 Witness is extremely aggressive, self-righteous, hostile to Trump.

Schiff?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 10:02 AM (Boy/L)

142 124 Paul McCartney.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 09:55 AM (88+cf)

ISWYDT
Posted by: grammie winger at November 20, 2019 09:56 AM (lwiT4)

I don't.

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 10:02 AM (oGFm1)

143 Who?

The guy on first.

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:03 AM (arJlL)

144 I saw that story about the nukes. But you can trust the government with healthcare and all else.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 20, 2019 10:03 AM (H5knJ)

145 Witness is extremely aggressive, self-righteous, hostile to Trump. Who is this a-hole?
----
Sondland. He flipped on Trump.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 20, 2019 10:03 AM (CQ3Qb)

146 This one is easy.

One of the features that gives away the meaning is the small shrub, cast in shadow, at the right of the picture. Death blights every hope, even of the young. The other is, of course, the unusual growth pattern of the tree directly behind the stone structure. There are no large branches on it until it gets to abut head height, and then it demonstrates a dense brush of shrt heavily leafed branches, quite different from the long, clean-limbed boles of its confreres just behind. It's almost as though it has be pollarded, but in Arcadia, that would be unusual. Likely, it has been struck by a falling limb from its neighbors and injured. Even a brush with death radically alters life.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 20, 2019 10:03 AM (CPk08)

147 Baroque Plumbers got around Plumbers Crack by wearing spiffy togas

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 20, 2019 10:03 AM (flINI)

148 125 "this was about the time the salon developed for public viewing..."

actually, i think the salon was later. but this is the beginning of the academy (colbert) and poussin defined its standard for years afterward.

Posted by: mjc at November 20, 2019 10:03 AM (Pg+x7)

149 Things are going great at the Pentagon.



Air Force's Inventory Listed Wrong Sites for 79 Nuclear Missiles

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)


Is that a public-facing document? If so, what idiot would put the CORRECT location of nuclear missiles in a publicly available document?

Posted by: Brother Cavil
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at November 20, 2019 10:04 AM (Rvlwi)

150 Right here! This is the spot where we should slap some hot iron to this doohickey!
Right Ma?
Ma?

Posted by: Ancientus Redneckicus at November 20, 2019 10:04 AM (vqIkG)

151 All I can think of is they are playing the Greek national anthem.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 20, 2019 10:04 AM (Q5ALd)

152 If we go by the footwear, she's not from another world. The barefoot guy is.

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 10:04 AM (oGFm1)

153 131


Also, the painting could be improved by a cabin. Cabins are always nice.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 20, 2019 09:54 AM (CPk0



Thatched roof, smoke lazily ascending from the chimney and candlelit windows, too!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 09:59 AM (pNxlR)

=========

I got this.

Posted by: Thomas Kinkade, Painter of Light(TM) at November 20, 2019 10:05 AM (IttZ7)

154 One of the features that gives away the meaning is the small shrub

The first known artistic reference to the Knights Who Say Ni.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 10:05 AM (Boy/L)

155 It just occurred to me from our 2nd Amendment Sanctuary City still obeying 2019 laws that it's the Democrat cities that actually engage in true 2nd Amendment Sanctuary City activism.

It's incredible to realize that. We're asking to please keep our 10 round magazine limits and may we pretty-please have a piece of paper to allow us to carry this approved FFL purchase, and the Democrats are the ones truly advancing the 2nd Amendment legislation.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 20, 2019 10:05 AM (aZuds)

156 148 125 "this was about the time the salon developed for public viewing..."

People watching me get my hair cut would creep me out.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 10:05 AM (NWiLs)

157 According to my studies...

The object is a tomb. Death is also in paradise.

The woman is more ambiguous. There are no attributes to identify her, so she could be anyone that fits the setting or meaning. I think she is Clio, the Muse of History. She represents the memory and lessons of time. These shepherds are learning of something that happened long ago in the past. So long a go that it seems to have been forgotten. Clio is that memory, and she appears to people who are curious to learn about the past.

She is reminding them of a tragedy from history and warning them that an idyllic existence can end.

That's my take.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 10:05 AM (OyyDO)

158 It's the esteemed ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland. (Thanks for your service!!!)

Posted by: Ripley at November 20, 2019 10:06 AM (MxEKc)

159 154
One of the features that gives away the meaning is the small shrub



The first known artistic reference to the Knights Who Say Ni.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 10:05 AM (Boy/L)


Yes, the two-level effect is striking.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 20, 2019 10:06 AM (CPk08)

160
"I have a purse AND a phone!"

* wearily * "Oh, ha, ha! We GET IT, Persephone!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:06 AM (pNxlR)

161 She will impart to the Arcadians the secret for making rich Corinthian leather, which is inscribed on the rock.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM)


A critical revelation for those men, as their previous livelihoods hunting naugas for their hydes have dried up due to hunting those poor creatures to extinction.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
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at November 20, 2019 10:06 AM (Rvlwi)

162 This isn't a painting that reveals all its meaning(s) at one glance. As Kris points out, the use of color in the garments matters. Also, the position and posture of each figure makes a difference: acceptance (or indifference) about past glory in the figure in brown; puzzled interest by the shepherd in red being encouraged by the goddess; and the active approach of discovery by the shepherd kneeling in the center of the scene. All have different reactions to a symbol of culture beyond their pastoral world.

I wonder if the goddess could be Athena, encouraging these bucolic figures to relearn wisdom that was lost to their society long before the shepherds were born into it. The action of the figure in blue, trying to understand the markings on the stone, is the same as the blue in the skirt of the goddess. A coincidence or a connection?

I've heard of Nicolas Poussin but haven't paid attention to his art. Now to study more of them for his approach and use of color.

Kris and CDB, thanks so much for these glimpses into the world of painting. They expand my understanding and enjoyment.

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2019 10:06 AM (bmdz3)

163 159 154
One of the features that gives away the meaning is the small shrub



The first known artistic reference to the Knights Who Say Ni.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 10:05 AM (Boy/L)

Yes, the two-level effect is striking.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 20, 2019 10:06 AM (CPk0

Needs a path through the middle.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 10:06 AM (NWiLs)

164 152 If we go by the footwear, she's not from another world. The barefoot guy is.

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 10:04 AM (oGFm1)

The barefoot guy also is the only one without a brightly colored tunic.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 10:07 AM (O+iVW)

165 157 According to my studies...

The object is a tomb. Death is also in paradise.

The woman is more ambiguous. There are no attributes to identify her, so she could be anyone that fits the setting or meaning. I think she is Clio, the Muse of History. She represents the memory and lessons of time. These shepherds are learning of something that happened long ago in the past. So long a go that it seems to have been forgotten. Clio is that memory, and she appears to people who are curious to learn about the past.

She is reminding them of a tragedy from history and warning them that an idyllic existence can end.

That's my take.
Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 10:05 AM (OyyDO)

That's all very convincing.

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 10:07 AM (oGFm1)

166 @155 Moron Robbie- You mean the left is in charge? What gives you that idea?

Posted by: JROD at November 20, 2019 10:07 AM (Ie8wE)

167 Does every painting have to be the DaVinci code?

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 20, 2019 10:08 AM (Q5ALd)

168 Kris, who do you think she is?

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:08 AM (G546f)

169 She shows up and the sheep get a break?

Posted by: Jim H at November 20, 2019 10:08 AM (E8rdu)

170 "I have a purse AND a phone!"

* wearily * "Oh, ha, ha! We GET IT, Persephone!"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:


Barack? Is that you?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:08 AM (fBape)

171 A path!
A path!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (QUD4S)

172
"Muh record? Muh record! Why you go diggin' up that part of my past, woman? How's I supposed to know she was only thirteen -- she said she was sixteen! Don' you go bringin' up muh record!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (pNxlR)

173 152 If we go by the footwear, she's not from another world. The barefoot guy is.

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 10:04 AM (oGFm1)

The barefoot guy also is the only one without a brightly colored tunic.
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Hmm. Maybe he's the one who's dead and it's his tomb?

Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (5oWLH)

174 People watching me get my hair cut would creep me out.
Posted by: Insomniac

Do you have a funny shaped head ?

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (arJlL)

175 146: it's around this time in the 17th century that the lone, leafless tree appears in painting, often thought of as a metaphor for mortality and the power of nature. the "blasted tree" as it's called, becomes a feature in dutch landscapes (ruisdael, wijnants) and my rosa painting has a large one dominating the right foreground.

Posted by: mjc at November 20, 2019 10:10 AM (Pg+x7)

176 US Ambassador to the European Union?

Do we have an ambassador to ISIS too?

Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 10:10 AM (sX1BW)

177 Hmm. Maybe he's the one who's dead and it's his tomb?

Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (5oWLH)

It all fits!

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 10:10 AM (88+cf)

178 You mean the left is in charge? What gives you that idea?

Posted by: JROD at November 20, 2019 10:07 AM (Ie8wE)

--

Football analogy:

It just sucks to realize we're satisfied to keep getting backed up to our goal and breathing a sigh of relief when they only score two points on a safety by tackling us behind our own goal line again.

Could've been worse! At least they didn't score a TD!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 20, 2019 10:11 AM (aZuds)

179 oh I see my q was answered - Clio

that's better than my guess, which was Hades' mother in law Demeter

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:11 AM (G546f)

180 She is reminding them of a tragedy from history and warning them that an idyllic existence can end.

Who do we know who died AFTER dying or who dies among the immortals?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2019 10:11 AM (Boy/L)

181 It all fits!

And that rhymes with TITS !

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:11 AM (arJlL)

182 ... but i don't think poussin made any thematic use of the trees in this painting.

Posted by: mjc at November 20, 2019 10:11 AM (Pg+x7)

183 Could've been worse! At least they didn't score a TD!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 20, 2019 10:11 AM (aZuds)

Our marching band is way better!

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 10:12 AM (88+cf)

184
176 US Ambassador to the European Union?

Do we have an ambassador to ISIS too?
Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 10:10 AM (sX1BW)


Barky had Chris Stevens slotted for that posting, but an unfortunate turn of events prevented that from going through.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:12 AM (pNxlR)

185 173 152 If we go by the footwear, she's not from another world. The barefoot guy is.

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 10:04 AM (oGFm1)

The barefoot guy also is the only one without a brightly colored tunic.
-----------------
Hmm. Maybe he's the one who's dead and it's his tomb?

Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (5oWLH)

Those could be burial linens. I just noticed the guy on the left and right are both wearing wreaths.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 10:12 AM (O+iVW)

186 ... but i don't think poussin made any thematic use of the trees in this painting.

Posted by: mjc


He had to include them for it to be classified as "art". Tax reasons, I think.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
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at November 20, 2019 10:12 AM (Rvlwi)

187 Buncha Greek Homos probably started that fire at Freddy's Fashion Mart. Yeah.

Posted by: Al Sharptato at November 20, 2019 10:12 AM (VNUun)

188 I wonder if the goddess could be Athena, encouraging these bucolic figures to relearn wisdom that was lost to their society long before the shepherds were born into it. The action of the figure in blue, trying to understand the markings on the stone, is the same as the blue in the skirt of the goddess. A coincidence or a connection?

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2019 10:06 AM (bmdz3)

This is a good one too. That may explain why she's clothed and wearing shoes. Usually by this time in art history, the gods and goddesses were almost always nood. Minerva is almost always an exception.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 10:13 AM (OyyDO)

189 The esteemed Ambassador Gordon would be more credible if he wasn't foaming at the mouth.

Posted by: Ripley at November 20, 2019 10:13 AM (MxEKc)

190 What happened to Amb Sondland? He went from no quid pro quo in his first testimony to the other side today. Not sure if this is to destroy Rudy or PT and Rudy, but not good.

Posted by: Ever at November 20, 2019 10:14 AM (ZZDMQ)

191 189 The esteemed Ambassador Gordon would be more credible if he wasn't foaming at the mouth.
Posted by: Ripley at November 20, 2019 10:13 AM (MxEKc)
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"You mad, bro?"

Posted by: WisRich at November 20, 2019 10:14 AM (G0vdT)

192
Oh, a barefoot boy with stockings
Came walking down the street
His hands were full of pockets
And his shoes were full of feet

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:14 AM (pNxlR)

193 Witness is extremely aggressive, self-righteous, hostile to Trump. Who is this a-hole?
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Sondland. He flipped on Trump.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 20, 2019 10:03 AM (CQ3Qb)



He magically started to remember things that he claimed didn't happen before

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2019 10:14 AM (mpeBU)

194 It's helpful to note it's an unmarked tomb.

Poissin's plain dead.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 20, 2019 10:15 AM (aZuds)

195 174 People watching me get my hair cut would creep me out.
Posted by: Insomniac

Do you have a funny shaped head ?
Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (arJlL)

Not especially but it's large and thick.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 10:15 AM (NWiLs)

196 The man in red also appears to be pointing not at the tomb or writing but the man reading the inscription, who has neither a wreath nor walking stick.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 10:15 AM (O+iVW)

197 It is a nice shrubbery. I like the laurels especially.

But you must now bring us...ANOTHER SHRUBBERY!
*dramatic music*

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 10:16 AM (NWiLs)

198 What happens if Prince Andrew becomes too much of a liability for the Windsors? Could they strip him of his titles and would they?

Posted by: Augustine at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (BDZWU)

199 Here's another analysis.

https://tinyurl.com/wxbxkg7

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The woman, who could be an allegorical figure
(representing the art of painting that is challenging death's claim to
rule over Arcadia), looks like a figure from the classical past.
----

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (XzVUd)

200
Arrrrgh! Try again:

Oh, a barefoot boy with shoes on
Came walking down the street
His hands were full of pockets
And his shoes were full of feet

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (pNxlR)

201 198 What happens if Prince Andrew becomes too much of a liability for the Windsors? Could they strip him of his titles and would they?
Posted by: Augustine at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (BDZWU)

Send him to the wall!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (KUaJL)

202 People watching me get my hair cut would creep me out.
Posted by: Insomniac

Do you have a funny shaped head ?
Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (arJlL)

Not especially but it's large and thick.
Posted by: Insomniac

It'll fit through a doorway, right ?

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (arJlL)

203 197 It is a nice shrubbery. I like the laurels especially.

But you must now bring us...ANOTHER SHRUBBERY!
*dramatic music*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 10:16 AM (NWiLs)

But not as tall, to get a two-level effect

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2019 10:18 AM (7HtZB)

204 What happens if Prince Andrew becomes too much of a liability for the Windsors?

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The Queen will sum up the will to live another 50 years.

Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 10:18 AM (sX1BW)

205 He magically started to remember things that he claimed didn't happen before
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2019 10:14 AM (mpeBU)
+++++++++++
I think they call that "coaching."

It's lying and obfuscation, enabled by the implicit guarantee that there will be no consequences if playing their parts in the farce is counter to any tangential notion of "truth"

Also, this is a great picture and essay. Thanks, Kris!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 10:18 AM (I2dne)

206 202 People watching me get my hair cut would creep me out.
Posted by: Insomniac

Do you have a funny shaped head ?
Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (arJlL)

Not especially but it's large and thick.
Posted by: Insomniac

It'll fit through a doorway, right ?
Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (arJlL)

Depends on the doorway.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 10:18 AM (NWiLs)

207 Thanks for the thoughtful analysis, Kris.

O/T: just heard Andy McCarthy refer to the ClownHouse ShitShow as the "Seinfeld impeachment" -- because it's an impeachment about nothing. * Status: Stolen *

Posted by: ShainS -- it's the "Seinfeld impeachment": an impeachment about nothing at November 20, 2019 10:18 AM (KS7f3)

208

The Only Question For Sondland is: Were you lying two weeks ago or are you lying now?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 20, 2019 10:19 AM (A3yzb)

209 Thanks for the informed commentary, Kris; It's very helpful and interesting! I appreciate your time spent on this.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 10:19 AM (WI7YS)

210 "et in arcadia ego" is latin for "i'm off to the mall to play video games"?

Posted by: Anachronda at November 20, 2019 10:19 AM (sGtp+)

211 Former B'more mayor has been indicted.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ueaw8h7

Posted by: It's a start at November 20, 2019 10:19 AM (vqIkG)

212 207 Thanks for the thoughtful analysis, Kris.

O/T: just heard Andy McCarthy refer to the ClownHouse ShitShow as the "Seinfeld impeachment" -- because it's an impeachment about nothing. * Status: Stolen *
Posted by: ShainS -- it's the "Seinfeld impeachment": an impeachment about nothing at November 20, 2019 10:18 AM (KS7f3)
===

Jimmy Dore absolutely ripped it to shreds.

Posted by: Augustine at November 20, 2019 10:19 AM (BDZWU)

213 People watching me get my hair cut would creep me out.
Posted by: Insomniac

Do you have a funny shaped head ?
Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (arJlL)

Not especially but it's large and thick.
Posted by: Insomniac

It'll fit through a doorway, right ?
Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (arJlL)

Depends on the doorway.
Posted by: Insomniac

Is that why you're not a cat burglar ?

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:19 AM (arJlL)

214 Those are olive trees, I think.

Generic trees are best grown in the climate north of Acadia

Posted by: Kincltot at November 20, 2019 10:20 AM (1glZx)

215 Oh, a barefoot boy with shoes on
Came walking down the street
His hands were full of pockets
And his shoes were full of feet
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (pNxlR)
+++++++++++++
One bright morning in the middle of the night
Two dead boys got up to fight
They faced each other back-to-back
Drew their swords and shot each other
A deaf policeman heard the noise
And came to kill the two dead boys
If you don't believe that this lie is true
Just ask the blind man - he saw it, too.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 10:20 AM (I2dne)

216 The barefoot guy also is the only one without a brightly colored tunic.
-----------------
Hmm. Maybe he's the one who's dead and it's his tomb?
Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019


*
*

That's interesting, especially as the other two men give no indication that they know he is there.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 10:20 AM (Ejm1K)

217 ABC Radio News last night tried as hard as they could to put a positive spin on the SCHITTSHOW cherry picking to soundbites. I just laughed my ass off

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 10:20 AM (BqBId)

218 I love this. First of all, it's gorgeous and shows remarkable talent and skill.

Second, it's morbid and thoughtful. That "stone object" is totally a gravestone. The sawn off stump of a mighty tree gives it away. The verdant landscape, rich colors and young, strong, clueless men are the juxtaposition. The inscription/title drive home the message that death stalks us all, even in the best and happiest of worlds. Not a bit of subtlety in this one.

I love this. I want to steal this.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 10:21 AM (5aX2M)

219 Is that why you're not a cat burglar ?
Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:19 AM (arJlL)

Nah, it's a simple matter of risk/reward. Cats don't have much of a street value.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 10:21 AM (NWiLs)

220 If we go by the footwear, she's not from another world. The barefoot guy is.

Posted by: m at November 20, 2019 10:04 AM (oGFm1)

The barefoot guy also is the only one without a brightly colored tunic.
-----------------
Hmm. Maybe he's the one who's dead and it's his tomb?

Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019 10:09 AM (5oWLH)

Those could be burial linens. I just noticed the guy on the left and right are both wearing wreaths.
Posted by: Someguy


Bruce Willis! Back in the tomb!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:21 AM (fBape)

221 Since we're past 200 comments, can I ask an unrelated question. I have some bagged spinach
which I haven't used and it says "Enjoy by 11-13". Will I not enjoy it-ie get the runs or something, or does that just mean it's best by that date?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (WI7YS)

222 Quid pro quo is how foreign policy is supposed to work. It makes me postal that they are trying to make it something nefarious.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (Q5ALd)

223 Nah, it's a simple matter of risk/reward. Cats don't have much of a street value.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 10:21 AM (NWiLs)
+++++++++++++
With the right customers (ahem), you could make it up on volume.

Posted by: Seedy Chinese Restaurant at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (I2dne)

224 ABC Radio News last night tried as hard as they could...

--

I walked in to see ABC News on TV yesterday morning with enormous text under an impeachment graphic that said THE THREE AMIGOS

Way to go, journalists.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (aZuds)

225 >>I love this. I want to steal this.

Of course you do, it looks like they are rolling dice.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 10:23 AM (ZLI7S)

226 Posted by: It's a start at November 20, 2019 10:19 AM (vqIkG)
*******
& Elijah Cummings went to Hell to escape being indicted

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 10:23 AM (BqBId)

227 221 Since we're past 200 comments, can I ask an unrelated question. I have some bagged spinach
which I haven't used and it says "Enjoy by 11-13". Will I not enjoy it-ie get the runs or something, or does that just mean it's best by that date?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (WI7YS)


Feel it. If it appears a bit slimy, toss it.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2019 10:23 AM (U6f/q)

228 201 198 What happens if Prince Andrew becomes too much of a liability for the Windsors? Could they strip him of his titles and would they?
Posted by: Augustine at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (BDZWU)

Send him to the wall!
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (KUaJL)

Ex-King Edward VIII, who abdicated and then tried to collaborate with the Nazi's, was sent to be Governor of the Bahamas and was never allowed to set foot in Great Britain again. It was a lot like sending Napoleon to Elba.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 10:23 AM (Kpl3J)

229 Quid pro quo is how foreign policy is supposed to work. It makes me postal that they are trying to make it something nefarious.

-------------

Its even worse. US Presidents are not to exploit their supreme bargaining power.

Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 10:23 AM (sX1BW)

230 Since we're past 200 comments, can I ask an unrelated question. I have some bagged spinach
which I haven't used and it says "Enjoy by 11-13". Will I not enjoy it-ie get the runs or something, or does that just mean it's best by that date?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (WI7YS)
++++++++++++++
It's probably fine if it's been refrigerated, especially if it's still sealed. Open it up. Is it slimy, weak or wilted? If so, you may have waited too long. If not, you're probably good.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 10:23 AM (I2dne)

231 Since we're past 200 comments, can I ask an unrelated question. I have some bagged spinach

which I haven't used and it says "Enjoy by 11-13". Will I not enjoy
it-ie get the runs or something, or does that just mean it's best by
that date?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (WI7YS)

Probably ok, but you will only be mildly entertained.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 10:23 AM (88+cf)

232 Reading too much into this painting. Just a group of people asking for directions.

Posted by: It's a start at November 20, 2019 10:24 AM (vqIkG)

233 Quid Pro Quo We ought to change it to Quid Pro D'OH

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 10:24 AM (BqBId)

234 I have some bagged spinach
which I haven't used and it says "Enjoy by 11-13". Will I not enjoy it-ie get the runs or something, or does that just mean it's best by that date?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (WI7YS)

--

Personally I don't think it's worth it, and I'll eat pretty much anything way after the date passes. I know more than a few people who have gotten sick after eating old bagged salad.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 20, 2019 10:24 AM (aZuds)

235 197 It is a nice shrubbery. I like the laurels especially.

But you must now bring us...ANOTHER SHRUBBERY!
*dramatic music*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019


*
*

Would it have hurt us, I wonder . . . to have gathered a few laurel leaves?

Posted by: Capt. Kirk at November 20, 2019 10:24 AM (Ejm1K)

236 Since we're past 200 comments, can I ask an unrelated question. I have some bagged spinach
which I haven't used and it says "Enjoy by 11-13". Will I not enjoy it-ie get the runs or something, or does that just mean it's best by that date?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

If you had watched the video, you'd know that's what made Swallwell fart .

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2019 10:24 AM (arJlL)

237 Tell me Ambassador, did the Vice President hold Epstein while Trump strangled him?

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2019 10:25 AM (U6f/q)

238 226 Posted by: It's a start at November 20, 2019 10:19 AM (vqIkG)
*******
& Elijah Cummings went to Hell to escape being indicted
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 10:23 AM (BqBId)

He just wanted to spend more time with his friends and family.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 10:25 AM (Kpl3J)

239 Always fascinated by the intricate straps on their sandals. It would drive me nuts.

#nevertrustalibertarian. Especially not a boomer Libertarian.

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 10:25 AM (Fxgkp)

240 People watching me get my hair cut would creep me out.
Posted by: Insomniac

Do you have a funny shaped head ?
Posted by: JT


Not especially but it's large and thick.
Posted by: Insomniac


I've been told I have a thick head before, too.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:25 AM (fBape)

241 (Opens refrigerator and looks lovingly at $1 bottle of mustard stamped USE BY 07-2013)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 20, 2019 10:25 AM (aZuds)

242 188 I wonder if the goddess could be Athena
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Not likely. Athena was the goddess of wisdom, courage, inspiration, civilization, law and justice, strategic warfare, mathematics, strength, strategy, the arts, crafts, and skill.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 10:25 AM (yRAFu)

243 Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 10:25 AM (Kpl3J)
******
Yep

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 10:26 AM (BqBId)

244
Does Sondland think he is auditioning for the role of Frank Pentangeli in a "Godfather" remake?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:26 AM (pNxlR)

245 . I have some bagged spinach
which I haven't used and it says "Enjoy by 11-13". Will I not enjoy it-ie get the runs or something, or does that just mean it's best by that date?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (WI7YS)

Spinach cannot read dates. Use the sniff and feel test.

Also ewww veggies
*munches on bacon in self defense*

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:26 AM (G546f)

246
The Art Thread: pearls, swine, some assembly required.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 20, 2019 10:26 AM (1WVHz)

247 Per twatter:
"The inspector general said FBI lacked adequate staff, oversight and provided unclear guidance to conduct its operations involving confidential human sources.
The FBI used confidential human sources in its 2016 investigation of the Trump campaign. Halper and Steele."

Doesn't sound like a bunch of indictments to me.

Posted by: CN at November 20, 2019 10:26 AM (U7k5w)

248 This Prince Andrew: Is he the same royal that people in the '80s used to call "Randy Andy"? Put another way, since there is probably only one Prince Andrew among the Windsors, did people nickname him that?

Posted by: Capt. Kirk at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (Ejm1K)

249 We are down to poor supervision.

Posted by: CN at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (U7k5w)

250 The hands on the hips makes the painting comical to me no matter what its intention was .

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (Q5ALd)

251 Bagged spinach was never any good to begin with.

Notice Mesquite Barbecue Potato Chips never have these kind issues. /s

Posted by: Common Tater at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (wedPR)

252 I have some bagged spinach
which I haven't used and it says "Enjoy by 11-13". Will I not enjoy it-ie get the runs or something, or does that just mean it's best by that date?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (WI7YS)

--

Personally I don't think it's worth it, and I'll eat pretty much anything way after the date passes. I know more than a few people who have gotten sick after eating old bagged salad.
Posted by: Moron Robbie


As long as it hasn't turned slimy, you should be ok.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (fBape)

253 Does Sondland think he is auditioning for the role of Frank Pentangeli in a "Godfather" remake?

---------------

Please let Don Jr walk in with his brother and sit in the back.

Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (sX1BW)

254 Reading too much into this painting. Just a group of people asking for directions.
sock failure in aisle 232. sock failure in aisle 232.

Posted by: randus mcnallycus at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (vqIkG)

255 "The inspector general said FBI lacked adequate staff, oversight and provided unclear guidance
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So the IG met Strozk?

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (yRAFu)

256 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 20, 2019 10:26 AM (1WVHz)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (WI7YS)

257 Thank you Kris. Excellent study of thsi painter that allowed me to go back and examine it further. I enjoy it very much. Sometime I enjoy art foe as ons I don't understand. This one. Colors, composition, figures and gestures keep me interested and I keep going back to it attempting to understand what they are thinking. You have helped. I might add that when I see hands on hips, and with a woman it has a slightly different connotation than with a man I believe, I see some mother-child connection. Not biologically but in wisdom. Like she might be attempting to explain at their level of understanding?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (oY5lM)

258 Reasons. Ugh.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:28 AM (oY5lM)

259 Hope the Republicans can point out that Sondland, and all the rest, disagree on Policy with Trump who happens to be the first US President to stand up to the corruption in Ukraine before sending them our tax payer funds. Obama refused to do anything about election meddling and Trump is getting to the bottom of it. Rudy might end up roadkill in all of this.

Posted by: StellasTwoCents at November 20, 2019 10:28 AM (KSBDE)

260 251 Bagged spinach was never any good to begin with.

Notice Mesquite Barbecue Potato Chips never have these kind issues. /s
Posted by: Common Tater at November 20, 2019


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Amazing, isn't it, how spinach in a quiche is just fine, but the stuff by itself is a big turn-off?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 10:28 AM (Ejm1K)

261
200 posts and no booby talk? Are you guys ok?

Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019 10:29 AM (Vbjl4)

262 A whole lot of presuming and assuming in Sondland's testimony

Posted by: Eric at November 20, 2019 10:29 AM (abQDf)

263 hey Cannibal Bob, how's da hip?
Are you a hipster now?

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:29 AM (G546f)

264
Personally I don't think it's worth it, and I'll eat pretty much anything way after the date passes. I know more than a few people who have gotten sick after eating old bagged salad.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 20, 2019 10:24 AM (aZuds)


Tell me about it!

-- Huma Abdin

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:29 AM (pNxlR)

265 The poor babies were understaffed and overworked. Nobody was supervising the poor senior level dearie doos. Now how, I ask you, can you call them criminals, the poor misguided thingies?

Posted by: CN at November 20, 2019 10:29 AM (U7k5w)

266 216 The barefoot guy also is the only one without a brightly colored tunic.
-----------------
Hmm. Maybe he's the one who's dead and it's his tomb?
Posted by: Ohio lurking gal at November 20, 2019
*
That's interesting, especially as the other two men give no indication that they know he is there.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 10:20 AM (Ejm1K)

Or maybe he's just asleep on his feet because he frolicked with the sheep all night.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 10:29 AM (Kpl3J)

267 261
200 posts and no booby talk? Are you guys ok?

Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019


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*

We're tired. It's a long way until Friday.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 10:30 AM (Ejm1K)

268 Amazing, isn't it, how spinach in a quiche is just fine, but the stuff by itself is a big turn-off?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius



I prefer a baby leaf spinach salad over any made with iceberg or romaine lettuce.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:30 AM (fBape)

269 267

We're tired. It's a long way until Friday.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 10:30 AM (Ejm1K)

=========

At work, we're having a Thanksgiving dip day with beer.

It's just about the only thing on my calendar for the day.

Maybe the best Wednesday ever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:30 AM (q80AH)

270 Schiff-head : "You said Biden."

Sondland : "No I didn't."

Schiff-Head : "Yes you did."

Sondland denies this 7 more times. Schiff-head keeps repeating himself.

Sondland : "FINE! WILL YOU SHUT UP IF I SAY YES?"

Posted by: Allie at November 20, 2019 10:31 AM (UnA8+)

271 I really like the idea that barefoot guy is the ghost of the guy buried under the stone.

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:32 AM (G546f)

272 248 Capt Kirk, *Randy Andy* was dating a porn girl named Koo Stark. I think he has always been an indiscreet troll.

Posted by: Cheribebe at November 20, 2019 10:32 AM (a4qVe)

273
Tired? oh ok then.
Carry on!

Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019 10:32 AM (Vbjl4)

274 Can the prezdent just fire all these motherfuckers and start over?

I think this would have overwhelming support by the American people. Overwhelming support, enthusiasm, and grateful admiration and accolades.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 20, 2019 10:33 AM (wedPR)

275 242
188 I wonder if the goddess could be Athena

-------------

Not likely. Athena was the goddess of wisdom, courage, inspiration,
civilization, law and justice, strategic warfare, mathematics,
strength, strategy, the arts, crafts, and skill.


arcade. video games. most of those are applicable.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 20, 2019 10:33 AM (sGtp+)

276 Ok, Theo, you go long down past the red Chevy and hook left; Mom, block the incoming rushers - give the big guy a forearm to the throat like last time; Alexander - a short jog out to the right - look for the pass when you get to the hash mark - you'll be primary.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 20, 2019 10:33 AM (Y4EXg)

277 I might add that when I see hands on hips, and with a woman it has a slightly different connotation than with a man I believe, I see some mother-child connection. Not biologically but in wisdom. Like she might be attempting to explain at their level of understanding?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (oY5lM)

I see the same thing, some kind of maternal connection. The boy in red is clearly the youngest of the group, not bearded like the man examining the inscription. And by putting her hand on him she is clearly expressing a level of affection, but in an adult/child manner.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 10:34 AM (Kpl3J)

278 I think Minerva is a reasonable interpretation for this woman. You need wisdom to comprehend the meaning of the inscription. The three men represent three different steps for obtaining wisdom: curiosity, inquiry, and acceptance/meditation.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 10:34 AM (OyyDO)

279 So the IG met Strozk?
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 10:27 AM (yRAFu)

And blew him under the table. Horowitz is an Obama guy with roots in SDNY.

Posted by: CN at November 20, 2019 10:34 AM (U7k5w)

280 I was able to zoom in on the painting and the inscription reads: Be sure to drink your Ovaltine

Posted by: Eric at November 20, 2019 10:35 AM (abQDf)

281 The wreath thing is really starting to bother me. Given how influential the Catholic Church was on the baroque period, I want to say that the men with wreaths are saints, the wreaths symbolizing victory over death. The red tunic symbolizes martyrdom. The woman would then likely be the Virgin Mary, but doesn't really have any of her symbols either.

Posted by: Someguy at November 20, 2019 10:36 AM (O+iVW)

282 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. I like this picture.
Goes looking for coffee

Posted by: Diogenes at November 20, 2019 10:36 AM (axyOa)

283 263 hey Cannibal Bob, how's da hip?
Are you a hipster now?

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:29 AM (G546f)

A miracle of science VM. God gives doctors more and more technology to work with, and I hope the Dems don't fuck it up. PT had me walking with a walker about 30 minutes after i woke up. I was wobbly but hey. Left the surg. Center 30 min. After that. Little to zero pain, small incision, and now walking confidently with walker. Expect to ditch that by Monday for follow up. i had 2 knees done at once. this is nothing. Thank you for checking on me.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:36 AM (oY5lM)

284 I don't think I've seen art talk so dominate an art thread like this.

Impressive.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:36 AM (q80AH)

285 At work, we're having a Thanksgiving dip day with beer.

It's just about the only thing on my calendar for the day.

Maybe the best Wednesday ever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison




Please tell me you are bringing the Cherokee Land Crab dip?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:37 AM (fBape)

286 I prefer a baby leaf spinach salad over any made with iceberg or romaine lettuce.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:30 AM (fBape)

Spinach salad with a warm bacon dressing! (vinagrette) Yes, it's real and it's wonderful.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 10:37 AM (Kpl3J)

287 285
Please tell me you are bringing the Cherokee Land Crab dip?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:37 AM (fBape)

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I brought the beer.

I didn't have to do anything for it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:37 AM (q80AH)

288
University of Michigan fan consoles Ohio State fan.

(Hey, this is historical and not present day, okay?)

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:38 AM (pNxlR)

289 259 stellastwocents "the first president to stand up to ukraine's corruption before sending them taxpayer's dollars..."

good point and it's consistent with trump's policy toward nato, that they have to pay their share or we walk, and generally with his america first policy.

Posted by: mjc at November 20, 2019 10:38 AM (Pg+x7)

290 Hey, OT but...can someone point me to information regarding Trump's side of the story regarding the Atlantic City casino that failed? Google searches and such turn up politicized emotionally charged stuff. Looking for cold facts. i know that his contractor, Perini, was itself rather corrupt. Curious as to the details, the basic facts.

Posted by: WTP at November 20, 2019 10:39 AM (66rlH)

291 Impressive.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:36 AM (q80AH)

You can blame Kris for this. We're being nice cuz we don't wanna get yelled at.

Posted by: Hide me! at November 20, 2019 10:39 AM (vqIkG)

292 She looks like the Statue of Liberty

Posted by: JoeF. at November 20, 2019 10:39 AM (CqE5x)

293 Cannibal Bob, and you didn't even have to slap a hot iron on it? Impressive!!!

Keep walking and heal.fast.

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:40 AM (G546f)

294 She is not with the men because her clothes and body language are different, and the men seem to defer to her.


I wish I could have been here for the whole thread. Thanks, Kris.

The way she's draping her hand on that guy is very familiar, very comfortable. I don't think they are afraid of her. She may be an authority figure, but everyone is copacetic.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at link in nic at November 20, 2019 10:40 AM (wzVKm)

295 146
This one is easy.

One of the features that gives away the
meaning is the small shrub, cast in shadow, at the right of the picture.
Death blights every hope, even of the young. The other is, of course,
the unusual growth pattern of the tree directly behind the stone
structure. There are no large branches on it until it gets to abut head
height, and then it demonstrates a dense brush of shrt heavily leafed
branches, quite different from the long, clean-limbed boles of its
confreres just behind. It's almost as though it has be pollarded, but in
Arcadia, that would be unusual. Likely, it has been struck by a falling
limb from its neighbors and injured. Even a brush with death radically
alters life.


sure, sure. and see those trees way in the back? how they have very few leaves? like they're the grandparents with very little life left.


Posted by: Anachronda at November 20, 2019 10:40 AM (sGtp+)

296
Were that Athena, I'd expect her to be wearing a helmet, what with Goddess of War and all that.

She is Psychochromia, Goddess of Small Slams and Drawing to An Inside Straight.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:40 AM (pNxlR)

297 I think Minerva is a reasonable interpretation for this woman. You need wisdom to comprehend the meaning of the inscription. The three men represent three different steps for obtaining wisdom: curiosity, inquiry, and acceptance/meditation.
Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 10:34 AM (OyyDO)

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From the rest of the context, I initially thought "Nyx." She's also pallorous by comparison to the men.

But it's in daylight, and she's always depicted wearing black and blue (if anything at all), so I doubt it.

The chick is the mystery in this one.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 10:40 AM (5aX2M)

298 You know what? As odious as Comey and Brennan are, Schiff has got them both beat. He is truly disgusting and the deference that the media shows him is sickening.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 20, 2019 10:41 AM (CqE5x)

299 "Kilroy was here"? Whattsat mean?

Posted by: klaftern at November 20, 2019 10:41 AM (RuIsu)

300 In my car in traffics. What is going on at the bullshit hearing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2019 10:41 AM (7Oc9e)

301 Nicholas Poussin was one of the most influential painters of the Baroque era.

Influential? Pffft! The guy was a chicken when it came to art.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (ejd/p)

Perhaps, but he had the ear of the king, and his style would be THE accepted style for the French Royal Academy. The French Academy essentially set the bar for art for the next 200 years. Including the American ones even after the Revolution.
Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 09:40 AM


*sigh*

Influential? Pffft! The guy was a chicken when it came to art.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 09:37 AM (ejd/p)

He was only a chicken when he was young.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 09:43 AM


At least Fen got it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 10:41 AM (ejd/p)

302 The goddess is actually Zeus in disguise.

He's waiting for the men to leave so he can bone the stone.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:41 AM (q80AH)

303 She is not with the men because her clothes and body language are different, and the men seem to defer to her.


I wish I could have been here for the whole thread. Thanks, Kris.

The way she's draping her hand on that guy is very familiar, very comfortable. I don't think they are afraid of her. She may be an authority figure, but everyone is copacetic.
Posted by: Bandersnatch


She's an angel. The guy on the far left is dead. His two buddies just buried him.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:41 AM (fBape)

304 So it appears that Sondeland got the memo, you will have no post Trump prospects unless you play ball with our shampeachment efforts.


All these people need smacked.

Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at November 20, 2019 10:42 AM (f7vuZ)

305
She's an angel. The guy on the far left is dead. His two buddies just buried him.
Posted by: rickb223


Mostly dead. And not a suicide!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:42 AM (pNxlR)

306
@CalebJHull

Schiff keeps saying he doesn't want to talk about the text message...

Well, here's the text message he doesn't want to talk about:

https://tinyurl.com/ruqzt2z

Posted by: redridinghood at November 20, 2019 10:43 AM (wiXsO)

307 265 The poor babies were understaffed and overworked. Nobody was supervising the poor senior level dearie doos. Now how, I ask you, can you call them criminals, the poor misguided thingies?
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This is how you turn a turd into a Popsicle - you fucked up cuz you didn't have enough staff - so the answer is more staff. Big Government knows how fail upwards.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 10:43 AM (yRAFu)

308 Does Sondland think he is auditioning for the role of Frank Pentangeli in a "Godfather" remake?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:26 AM


Someone should remind him how that ended.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 10:43 AM (ejd/p)

309 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:36 AM (oY5lM)

dang! great results!
Have a buddy that had to have a hip replacement in his 40s (skateboarder from the 70s) and once it was done and he was getting around 2-3 months later they called him in to tell the 'appliance' had been recalled and would have to be replaced.

He cried...until they mentioned he would not have to pay a dime, would get full PT AND $100,000.

Glad to report he is fine and has a much nicer house and keeps his surfing to the oceans.

Posted by: DanMan at November 20, 2019 10:43 AM (XTiHL)

310 Quid pro quo is how foreign policy is supposed to work. It makes me postal that they are trying to make it something nefarious.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 20, 2019 10:22 AM (Q5ALd)

I heard Andy McCarthy say that they just should have owned up to Quid Quo Pro from the beginning.

Now Schiff thinks he's got Trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 20, 2019 10:43 AM (CqE5x)

311 70 doesn't this painting have something to do with the 'Holy Grail' / DaVinci code nonsense?
Yep. Check out the Wiki for the Priory of Sion.

Posted by: Captain Ned at November 20, 2019 10:43 AM (XIfux)

312 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:37 AM (q80AH)

Hey TJM, thanks for the reminder of War and Peace. Just downloaded it. Funny question I guess but is there anything I should keep in mind while reading it?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:44 AM (oY5lM)

313 Hey, OT but...can someone point me to information
regarding Trump's side of the story regarding the Atlantic City casino
that failed? Google searches and such turn up politicized emotionally
charged stuff. Looking for cold facts. i know that his contractor,
Perini, was itself rather corrupt. Curious as to the details, the basic
facts.

Posted by: WTP at November 20, 2019 10:39 AM (66rlH)

who cares? I am not sure what casino you are referring to. I remember Trump Marina, Trump International (or something like that) and Trump Taj Mahal. I think AC has had a lot of problems over the years. There has been an explosion of casino gambling around the country and near NJ. They have casino gambling in MD, WV, PA, etc. So of course AC has lost some lustre.

I mean, it is AC. Again, what is your point?

Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 10:44 AM (n13/j)

314 Oooh... no shit... I think the tree in the background is an olive. That might be Athena.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 10:44 AM (5aX2M)

315 CNBC already preaching about Sondland's testimony that there was quid pro quo. Sondland originally supported Jeb. Guess this is payback.

Posted by: Ever at November 20, 2019 10:44 AM (ZZDMQ)

316 I GOT IT!

Barefoot guy is a ghost, right, and therefore represents death.

That means the woman is the tax collector!

Coz Death and Taxes.

Death: I am in Arcadia
Taxes: I am ALSO in Arcadia

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:44 AM (G546f)

317 298 You know what? As odious as Comey and Brennan are, Schiff has got them both beat. He is truly disgusting and the deference that the media shows him is sickening.
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Thats cuz Schiff has Soros on speed dial.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 10:44 AM (yRAFu)

318
Somebody above said Sondland flipped. I don't think so; isn't he the guy that said, in effect, "there's always a quid pro quo. Get used to it."??
The vibe I get is he's just brutally frank and doesn't give a shit who doesn't like it.

Has PDT roasted him in a tweet yet?

Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019 10:45 AM (Vbjl4)

319 300 Captain NGU, I will address you as Captain, a traffic jam is more fun.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 20, 2019 10:45 AM (C1Lsn)

320 the best goddess story is Peisistratos' attempt to make himself tyrant in Athens. he found some six foot farm girl, put armour on her, and staged a triumphal entry with "Athena".

He got laughed out of the city. (he came back later.) Herodotus remembered this as the most stupid political stunt in the city 's history.

I hope the girl at least found a gig modeling for statuary.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 20, 2019 10:45 AM (I1age)

321 Two guys making shadow puppets while the third man blurps out a sneaky swalwell.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 20, 2019 10:46 AM (9c5tq)

322 Should we really be designing the front triple load washer in granite before we have plumbing?

Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2019 10:46 AM (FhXTo)

323 @CalebJHull

Schiff keeps saying he doesn't want to talk about the text message...

Well, here's the text message he doesn't want to talk about:

https://tinyurl.com/ruqzt2z
Posted by: redridinghood at November 20, 2019 10:43 AM (wiXsO)

Is this authentic?

If so, no wonder Schiff doesn't want to talk about it.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 20, 2019 10:46 AM (CqE5x)

324 Yay GoreBull warming! We are getting some rain here in CA.

Woot!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 20, 2019 10:46 AM (qC1Sy)

325 A bunch of AC casinos failed
Blame NJ

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:46 AM (G546f)

326 Two guys making shadow puppets while the third man blurps out a sneaky swalwell.
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 20, 2019 10:46 AM (9c5tq)

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Ok, I laughed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 10:47 AM (5aX2M)

327 I GOT IT!

Barefoot guy is a ghost, right, and therefore represents death.
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Like McCartney on the cover of Abbey Road?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 20, 2019 10:47 AM (CqE5x)

328 293 Cannibal Bob, and you didn't even have to slap a hot iron on it? Impressive!!!

Keep walking and heal.fast.

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:40 AM (G546f)

Tennis is again an option!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:48 AM (oY5lM)

329 Rudy might end up roadkill in all of this.
Posted by: StellasTwoCents at November 20, 2019 10:28 AM (KSBDE)


Why? I doubt he's done anything illegal and DJT likes him.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2019 10:48 AM (y7DUB)

330 lol, now i look it up, apparently the stunt worked. at first.

peisistratos got kicked out because he had an alliance with some other politician and wouldn't bang his daughter.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 20, 2019 10:48 AM (I1age)

331 Cannibal Bob, I didn't know you had hip surgery. Glad you are doing so well.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 20, 2019 10:48 AM (BLT3V)

332 " mean, it is AC. Again, what is your point?"

I'm not making a point, I'm just asking a question. I'm looking for his side of the story. Why be a dick about simply asking a question?

Posted by: WTP at November 20, 2019 10:48 AM (66rlH)

333
Yikes.. Over at Conservative tree house some are ready to jump off the roof saying Sondland says there was a quid pro quo... Is this true?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (6XlcD)

334 "Kilroy was here"? Whattsat mean?
Posted by: klaftern at November 20, 2019 10:41 AM


Sigh. Despite CBD's and Kris' best efforts, not all roads lead to classical appreciation.

ET EPSTEINIVS NON COMMITTERE MORS VOLVNTARIA

Posted by: Gaius Kilroynius at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (qzF84)

335 329 Rudy might end up roadkill in all of this.
Posted by: StellasTwoCents at November 20, 2019 10:28 AM (KSBDE)

Why? I doubt he's done anything illegal and DJT likes him.
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He cleaned up NYC and supported Trump. He is Evil.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (yRAFu)

336 Yikes.. Over at Conservative tree house some are ready to jump off the roof saying Sondland says there was a quid pro quo... Is this true?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (6XlcD)

Yes, but relax

Posted by: JoeF. at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (CqE5x)

337 312 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:37 AM (q80AH)

Hey TJM, thanks for the reminder of War and Peace. Just downloaded it. Funny question I guess but is there anything I should keep in mind while reading it?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:44 AM (oY5lM)

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I'm no expert, but I would just suggest finding a way to keep the names straight. Tolstoy can refer to the same character a few different ways (from nick names to formal titles to Christian names) all in the same paragraph.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:50 AM (q80AH)

338 DJT likes him.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2019 10:48 AM (y7DUB)

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That's a criminal count in Swampworld.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 10:50 AM (5aX2M)

339 I wish Joe Pesci's character from My Cousin Vinny was asking questions during the impeachment hearing.

OK, back to the art.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 10:50 AM (OyyDO)

340 338 DJT likes him.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2019 10:48 AM (y7DUB)

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That's a criminal count in Swampworld.

Ain't that the truth

Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:51 AM (6XlcD)

341 Yay GoreBull warming! We are getting some rain here in CA.

Woot!
Posted by: blake


Yay!

Mudslides!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:51 AM (fBape)

342 >>Yikes.. Over at Conservative tree house some are ready to jump off the roof saying Sondland says there was a quid pro quo... Is this true?

I thought we were doing bribery today? Quid pro quo is so two weeks ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 10:51 AM (ZLI7S)

343 339 I wish Joe Pesci's character from My Cousin Vinny was asking questions during the impeachment hearing.

The Yutes... LOL

Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:51 AM (6XlcD)

344 Guliani is Commissioner Gordon to Trump's Batman

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:52 AM (G546f)

345 Yikes.. Over at Conservative tree house some are ready to jump off the roof saying Sondland says there was a quid pro quo... Is this true?

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Sondland started off strong (relatively speaking) for the Dems, but he is weakening, and I suspect by the end of the day will be useless.

Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 10:52 AM (sX1BW)

346 342 >>Yikes.. Over at Conservative tree house some are ready to jump off the roof saying Sondland says there was a quid pro quo... Is this true?

I thought we were doing bribery today? Quid pro quo is so two weeks ago.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 10:51 AM (ZLI7S)

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All I know is that impeachment is going to happen because a guy who takes top secret phone calls about potentially illegal acts in public spaces says that he has bad feelings.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:52 AM (q80AH)

347 Over at Conservative tree house some are ready to jump off the roof saying Sondland says there was a quid pro quo... Is this true?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (6XlcD)


Ignore those monkey spankers. They're like a Bizzarro world Patterico level of density.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2019 10:52 AM (y7DUB)

348 I'm no expert, but I would just suggest finding a way to keep the names straight. Tolstoy can refer to the same character a few different ways (from nick names to formal titles to Christian names) all in the same paragraph.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:50 AM (q80AH)

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I bought a copy from a hobo in NYC, and it had a key printed in the foreword. I don't know if they all have that or not.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 10:53 AM (5aX2M)

349 I just looked at lot of other paintings by Poussin and the phrase that came to mind was: he knows how to make use of color both as a symbol and to create a realistic impression, but he doesn't rely on it as a way to impress the viewer.

A minor point perhaps, but it is mine. :-)

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2019 10:53 AM (bmdz3)

350 293 Cannibal Bob, and you didn't even have to slap a hot iron on it? Impressive!!!

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 20, 2019 10:40 AM (G546f)

I was never ours about Heidi with that, SnceI was like and injured wilderbeast. I'd have no chance of out running her.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:54 AM (oY5lM)

351 I'm no expert, but I would just suggest finding a way to keep the names straight. Tolstoy can refer to the same character a few different ways (from nick names to formal titles to Christian names) all in the same paragraph.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:50 AM (q80AH)

I think it's a Russian thing. When reading Solzhenitsyn, it took me several pages to figure out that the characters have several different names: a first name, a formal family name, and a name based on their father's that was used informally. And then the nick-names popped in every so often.

Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 10:54 AM (OyyDO)

352 The only way the republicans can save the day in these hearings is to focus solely on Hunter Biden.

Start by saying:

"Ambassador, as you know Barisma hired Hunter Biden, son the then Vice President of the United States, paying him approximately 83 thousand dollars a month. When this Ukrainian company hired him, Hunter was an alcoholic, a drug addict and was just recently thrown out of the Navy Reserve for drug use. He didn't speak the language and had no experience in the energy business."

"Apparently, Hunter Biden's only qualification was that he was the son of Joe Biden, who had responsibility for policy in Ukraine."

"No agency investigated this blaring conflict of interest. No news media bothered to look into this blatant act of corruption."

"Don't you believe that the President would be remiss in his duties if he didn't call for an investigation into this obviously rotten arrangement?"

Everyone after this statement needs to hammer on Hunter being an alcoholic and drug addict.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2019 10:54 AM (U6f/q)

353 >>All I know is that impeachment is going to happen because a guy who takes top secret phone calls about potentially illegal acts in public spaces says that he has bad feelings.

Here we go again with someone who never was told by Trump that there was any deal, he just made an assumption.

Lot of that going around.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 10:55 AM (ZLI7S)

354 347 Over at Conservative tree house some are ready to jump off the roof saying Sondland says there was a quid pro quo... Is this true?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (6XlcD)

Ignore those monkey spankers. They're like a Bizzarro world Patterico level of density.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2019 10:52 AM (y7DUB)

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Haven't been there in a while. Is Sundance still an arrogant sanctimonious little shit?

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 10:55 AM (Lyh9/)

355 Well, if you read Drudge, its closing time for Trump. Again.

Posted by: IC at November 20, 2019 10:55 AM (a0IVu)

356
I'm no expert, but I would just suggest finding a way to keep the names straight. Tolstoy can refer to the same character a few different ways (from nick names to formal titles to Christian names) all in the same paragraph.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:50 AM (q80AH)

Whoa, remembering multiple characters with foreign names is not my forte, Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (oY5lM)

357 Manhattan Tolstoy Hobo is best hobo.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (I1age)

358 348 I'm no expert, but I would just suggest finding a way to keep the names straight. Tolstoy can refer to the same character a few different ways (from nick names to formal titles to Christian names) all in the same paragraph.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:50 AM (q80AH)

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I bought a copy from a hobo in NYC, and it had a key printed in the foreword. I don't know if they all have that or not.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 10:53 AM (5aX2M)

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That's actually kinda funny. A key for names.

But a bigger thought about War and Peace:

It's amazing at how simply entertaining the book is. It's full of high emotions, battles, balls, infidelities, and such. It's got this big reputation as unreadable because of its reputation and size, and I don't think it fits. The book is a task because of its size, but it's fun at the same time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (q80AH)

359 I also got a good book on Meiji Japan from that hobo, but I forget what it was called. Dang.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (5aX2M)

360 351 I think it's a Russian thing. When reading Solzhenitsyn, it took me several pages to figure out that the characters have several different names: a first name, a formal family name, and a name based on their father's that was used informally. And then the nick-names popped in every so often.
Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019 10:54 AM (OyyDO)

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The only other Russian novelist I've read is Dostoevsky, and he did the exact same thing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (q80AH)

361 if you read Drudge, you have too much time on your hands.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (I1age)

362 Well, I was back but gotta go again. The fiber optic crew is here with a heavy duty machine to free up the other one they got stuck yesterday. Some day I may actually get fiber optic service.

Keep yer hand on it, Horde.

Posted by: creeper at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (fE1wp)

363 VM. Damn auto cucumber. UGH.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (oY5lM)

364 Seen elsewhere:

It's a mistake to vote for any candidate for any office except for a straight white man.

Every other variety is protected from criticism by liberal race, sex and class doctrine. You're racist, sexist or classist if you dare to criticize them.

So, if you want accountability from public officials, you must vote for straight white men.

Posted by: SMOD at November 20, 2019 10:57 AM (3aI0K)

365 Well, if you read Drudge, its closing time for Trump. Again.
Posted by: IC at November 20, 2019 10:55 AM (a0IVu)

So which time was Sondland lying? Today or the other testimony where he says no quid pro quo?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:57 AM (6XlcD)

366 It's amazing at how simply entertaining the book is. It's full of high emotions, battles, balls, infidelities, and such. It's got this big reputation as unreadable because of its reputation and size, and I don't think it fits. The book is a task because of its size, but it's fun at the same time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM


I haven't actually read War and Peace yet. I may have to now.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 10:57 AM (ejd/p)

367 361 if you read Drudge, you have too much time on your hands.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (I1age)

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Agreed. Drudge has gone off the deep end.

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 10:57 AM (Lyh9/)

368 366
I haven't actually read War and Peace yet. I may have to now.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 10:57 AM (ejd/p)

==========

Read 40 pages a day, and you're done in a month.

That's a lot for a single book, but in the end, you've read a great book.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:58 AM (q80AH)

369 Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (6XlcD)
******
ProTip Stay away from CTH They are batshit crazy

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 10:58 AM (BqBId)

370 I don't read Drudge - just glance at the headlines to see what has his panties in wad this time.

Posted by: IC at November 20, 2019 10:58 AM (a0IVu)

371 355 Well, if you read Drudge, its closing time for Trump. Again.
Posted by: IC at November 20, 2019 10:55 AM (a0IVu)

The wheels are closing in on the walls that are coming off!!!!1!!

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 20, 2019 10:58 AM (J+mig)

372 369 Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (6XlcD)
******
ProTip Stay away from CTH They are batshit crazy
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 10:58 AM (BqBId)

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Aka, "the Cult of Sundance"

Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 10:58 AM (Lyh9/)

373 I also got a good book on Meiji Japan from that hobo, but I forget what it was called. Dang.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

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My Life with Mutsuhito?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 20, 2019 10:59 AM (Y4EXg)

374 Haven't been there in a while. Is Sundance still an arrogant sanctimonious little shit?
Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 10:55 AM (Lyh9/)


I assume so but have no recent first hand knowledge.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2019 10:59 AM (y7DUB)

375 Keep yer hand on it, Horde.
Posted by: creeper at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (fE1wp)


That's what SHE said.

Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2019 10:59 AM (9VeU0)

376 339 I wish Joe Pesci's character from My Cousin Vinny was asking questions during the impeachment hearing.

OK, back to the art.
Posted by: Kris at November 20, 2019


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Or from Goodfellas.

Schiff: "I'm funny? Funny how? Just how am I funny to you? Am I comical or what? Funny how?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 10:59 AM (Ejm1K)

377 Aka, "the Cult of Sundance"
Posted by: Jackal at November 20, 2019 10:58 AM (Lyh9/)
******
Their God is a Publix Store Manager

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 11:00 AM (BqBId)

378  if you read Drudge, you have too much time on your hands. 
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 20, 2019 10:56 AM (I1age) 


So many people here get worked up by what cnn or MSNBC or Drudge says.

They are Dem fronts.

But omg!!!! Did you see what they said?!!!

Posted by: Wut at November 20, 2019 11:00 AM (Q5eBq)

379 I live and work in deep blue CA and even the lefties I work with have tuned this whole thing out..its all about getting ready for thanksgiving and christmas. Dems should have started their impeachment nonsense in January.

Posted by: IC at November 20, 2019 11:00 AM (a0IVu)

380 "I think it's a Russian thing."

Definitely. Anna Karenina was not too bad about that but I made a point, after previously giving up on The Idiot, to keep a running list of characters and all of their various names.

Posted by: WTP at November 20, 2019 11:00 AM (66rlH)

381 Read 40 pages a day, and you're done in a month.

That's a lot for a single book, but in the end, you've read a great book.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:58 AM


This plan has merit. And winter is coming. And I have a chair by the fireplace.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 11:00 AM (ejd/p)

382 Sometimes you're hungry for knowledge.

Sometimes you're just hungry.

Either way, hobos fit the bill.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 11:00 AM (5aX2M)

383 379 I live and work in deep blue CA and even the lefties I work with have tuned this whole thing out..its all about getting ready for thanksgiving and christmas. Dems should have started their impeachment nonsense in January.
Posted by: IC at November 20, 2019 11:00 AM (a0IVu)

==========

Fodder for my idea that this will go away as soon as the campaign season actually begins.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 11:01 AM (q80AH)

384 @370

Drudge no longer runs his site, he sold out a four years ago to an web ad company owned by Google.


The Drudge Report exists in name only.

Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at November 20, 2019 11:01 AM (f7vuZ)

385 354 347 Over at Conservative tree house some are ready to jump off the roof saying Sondland says there was a quid pro quo... Is this true?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 10:49 AM (6XlcD)


There are some republicans who are so stupid that they accept the premise that if Trump called for an investigation into Barisma and Biden, it was for the benefit of his campaign.

Our side needs to take the position that any investigation into Barisma and Biden was Trump's duty as president to investigate corruption and to insure no foreign aid given to still corrupt governments.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2019 11:01 AM (U6f/q)

386 Sondland literally and emphatically said today that Trump told him no quid pro quo.

Who cares what anyone says about his testimony. You can hear it for yourself.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 11:01 AM (ZLI7S)

387 381 Read 40 pages a day, and you're done in a month.

That's a lot for a single book, but in the end, you've read a great book.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 10:58 AM

This plan has merit. And winter is coming. And I have a chair by the fireplace.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 11:00 AM (ejd/p)

==========

It's how I did it. I gave myself a deadline (the day my copy of Bondarchuk's Soviet adaptation was to come in the mail some weeks later), and said to myself that I wasn't going to watch it until I finished the book. I finished about a week before the movie came.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 11:02 AM (q80AH)

388 Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 11:01 AM (ZLI7S)
*******
But But But The Cult of the Publix Store Manager said

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 11:02 AM (BqBId)

389 WE HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT

Posted by: ... at November 20, 2019 11:02 AM (7eoML)

390 341 Yay GoreBull warming! We are getting some rain here in CA.

Woot!
Posted by: blake


Yay!

Mudslides!
Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 10:51 AM (fBape)

They got riots, fires and mud slides
They got sushi in the mall
Water bars and Brontosaurs
Chinese modern lust
Shake and bake life with the quake
The secret's in the crust

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 20, 2019 11:02 AM (JFO2v)

391 342
>>Yikes.. Over at Conservative tree house some are ready to jump
off the roof saying Sondland says there was a quid pro quo... Is this
true?



I thought we were doing bribery today? Quid pro quo is so two weeks ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 10:51 AM (ZLI7S)


No don't do the bribery this week.

Posted by: $500m Palletized Cash at November 20, 2019 11:02 AM (ymnmz)

392 No hits for Drudge. Reading https://thelibertydaily.com/ as suggested by Ace the other day. Very good site.

Posted by: dingbat at November 20, 2019 11:03 AM (Qkbqn)

393 So a transcript of a call between the President and a foreign leader isn't reliable, and prone to forgery, BUT the hand-written notes of FBI agents is literally gospel.

Got it.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 11:03 AM (KUaJL)

394 380 "I think it's a Russian thing."

Definitely. Anna Karenina was not too bad about that but I made a point, after previously giving up on The Idiot, to keep a running list of characters and all of their various names.
Posted by: WTP at November 20, 2019


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A college lit class forced me to read Notes From Underground. At least it was short. I find I vastly prefer Woody Allen's parody, "Notes From the Overfed." ("I am fat. I am disgustingly fat. . . .")

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 11:03 AM (Ejm1K)

395 368 366
I haven't actually read War and Peace yet. I may have to now.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 10:57 AM (ejd/p)

==========

Read 40 pages a day, and you're done in a month.

That's a lot for a single book, but in the end, you've read a great book.
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The problem becomes one of focus. I still haven't finished Quiet Flows the Don, Anna Karenina, and Brothers Karamazov cuz life keeps getting in the way. Same with Tristan Shandy.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 11:03 AM (yRAFu)

396
Who cares what anyone says about his testimony. You can hear it for yourself.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 11:01 AM (ZLI7S)

I can't.... My BP is too high...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 11:03 AM (6XlcD)

397 @317
Remember that Schiff was related by marriage to Soros. Never mentioned, for some reason.

Posted by: artemis at November 20, 2019 11:03 AM (AwPyG)

398 I haven't actually read War and Peace yet. I may have to now.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 10:57 AM (ejd/p)


I haven't read it in 20 years (it was the first book the book group I'm in tackled) but only the sheer size has prevented a reread.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2019 11:03 AM (y7DUB)

399 362
Well, I was back but gotta go again. The fiber optic crew is here with a
heavy duty machine to free up the other one they got stuck yesterday.
Some day I may actually get fiber optic service.


i've seen this film before. it doesn't end well.

Posted by: Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly at November 20, 2019 11:04 AM (sGtp+)

400
Glad to report he is fine and has a much nicer house and keeps his surfing to the oceans.

Posted by: DanMan at November 20, 2019 10:43 AM (XTiHL)

Excellent DM. Coulda had my knees replaced in my 40's. I was bow legged, played tennis, martial arts, blah blah so wore them out. But then the knees didn't last very long and replacement was guaranteed. Luckily I was an Ortho-surgical rep and had custom knee braces made for athletes and used them to play sports and forestall the replacement so had them done 6 years ago,. I asked if they had had any recalls on the hardware he was using. Nope.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 11:05 AM (oY5lM)

401 395 The problem becomes one of focus. I still haven't finished Quiet Flows the Don, Anna Karenina, and Brothers Karamazov cuz life keeps getting in the way. Same with Tristan Shandy.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 11:03 AM (yRAFu)

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I've read three of those! Anna, Brothers, and Tristram.

Ever seen the movie adaption of Tristram Shandy? Stars Steve Coogan as Tristan and...himself. It's meta, and quite fun. It's how I decided to read the book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIMQQPdwns

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 11:05 AM (q80AH)

402 They got riots, fires and mud slides
They got sushi in the mall
Water bars and Brontosaurs
Chinese modern lust
Shake and bake life with the quake
The secret's in the crust
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 20, 2019


*
*

"There's a holdup in the Bronx,
Brooklyn's broken out in fights;
There's a traffic jam in Harlem
That's backed up to Jackson Heights.
There's a Scout troop short a child,
Khrushchev's due at Idlewild --

Car 54, Where Are You?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 11:05 AM (Ejm1K)

403 379 I live and work in deep blue CA and even the lefties I work with have tuned this whole thing out..its all about getting ready for thanksgiving and christmas. Dems should have started their impeachment nonsense in January.
Posted by: IC at November 20, 2019 11:00 AM (a0IVu)


Maybe CA is not as far gone as we all think. In Vermont it seems to be the talk of the town. People here are convinced Trump is gone and the only thing left to discuss is the timing. I even had a contractor client take a couple of days off from work to watch the nonsense on the TV - then breathless ask me if I was following it. The holidays are not even on the radar from what I can tell.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at November 20, 2019 11:06 AM (kUmUV)

404 Our side needs to take the position that any investigation into Barisma and Biden was Trump's duty as president to investigate corruption and to insure no foreign aid given to still corrupt governments.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2019 11:01 AM (U6f/q)


My good man, Failure Theater wasn't built on a foundation of such adherence to facts and principles.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2019 11:06 AM (y7DUB)

405 Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 11:03 AM (6XlcD)
*******
So you read the doom blog?

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 11:06 AM (BqBId)

406 Sondland testifies Trump said "no quid pro quo".

Schiff looks like he just swallowed a frog...

https://tinyurl.com/qlvomsu

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2019 11:07 AM (so+oy)

407 She's an angel. The guy on the far left is dead. His two buddies just buried him.


Not in that crypt, it's old and cracked.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at link in nic at November 20, 2019 11:07 AM (wzVKm)

408 Boy, I dunno... it really looks to me as of she just said, "OK, Boomer".

Posted by: jdm at November 20, 2019 11:07 AM (P9DvC)

409 Remember that Schiff was related by marriage to Soros. Never mentioned, for some reason.
Posted by: artemis


Soros and Schiff are married? Well ain't that a queer one!

(Johnny Carson voice) I did not know that!

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at November 20, 2019 11:07 AM (vcOmj)

410 The only reason the House hasn't impeached Trump as of last January is because they don't have the votes.

Posted by: artemis at November 20, 2019 11:08 AM (AwPyG)

411 Just got done xmas shopping for the granddaughter. Who knew Archie comics would be so popular in 2019.
"Southside serpents gear gramps!"
Slow as I am, it took me a few minutes to realize it was tan updated Jughead, Archie, Veronica in "Riverdale"

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 11:08 AM (Fxgkp)

412 Sondland testifies at the impeachment hearing that he asked @realDonaldTrump "What do you want from Ukraine?" He says that Trump abruptly replied "I want nothing, I want nothing, I want no quid pro quo, just tell Zelensky to do the right thing."

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 11:08 AM (BqBId)

413 "A college lit class forced me to read Notes From Underground."

What I find amusing about Anna Karenina is that many women read it in college (including my wife who recommended it to me). Occasionally the subject comes up when discussing books (not something I often do but this one was a fav), I like to point out that Tolstoy was on record as saying he conceived of Anna as a fallen woman not, as was becoming the thing with the rise of communism, as a heroine. Some women who read it in college want to argue with me about it, but I'm always impressed by the women who did not know this and I get to see the lights come on. Many felt the exact same way as Tolstoy but were intimidated by their teachers to believe that they were wrong.

Posted by: WTP at November 20, 2019 11:08 AM (66rlH)

414 Ever seen the movie adaption of Tristram Shandy? Stars Steve Coogan as Tristan and...himself. It's meta, and quite fun. It's how I decided to read the book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIMQQPdwns
------------------
Not yet, but I look forward to seeing it. Currently I'm entangled in reading Charles Portis. The man is likely the greatest American writer of the second half of the 20th C. Now into Masters of Atlantis. Can't stop laughing. I also dread finishing Gringoes cuz there will be no more Portis.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 11:08 AM (yRAFu)

415 The only reason the House hasn't impeached Trump as of last January is because they don't have the votes.
Posted by: artemis


They don't have the votes because they don't have a reason.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 11:09 AM (fBape)

416 @409

Soros' son was married to Schiff's sister.

Posted by: artemis at November 20, 2019 11:09 AM (AwPyG)

417 >>The only reason the House hasn't impeached Trump as of last January is because they don't have the votes.

And they don't have the votes because if they do impeach him over this weak shit Nancy is in danger of losing her gavel.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 11:09 AM (ZLI7S)

418 410 The only reason the House hasn't impeached Trump as of last January is because they don't have the votes.
Posted by: artemis at November 20, 2019


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They'd have gone for it in January 2017 if they'd had the House then.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 11:09 AM (Ejm1K)

419
i've seen this film before. it doesn't end well
********
Yes. The first machine has struck a buried meteorite possessed by the soul of an ancient race of sentient snow sharks. The second machine will free him, unleashing a hilariously cliched Armageddon of gore, boobies, plot holes and tired cliches. Our only hope is the senile rasta shaman Ace keeps locked in the basement.
Or something

Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (Vbjl4)

420 " mean, it is AC. Again, what is your point?"



I'm not making a point, I'm just asking a question. I'm looking for
his side of the story. Why be a dick about simply asking a question?

Posted by: WTP at November 20, 2019 10:48 AM (66rlH)

Why call me a dick when I asked the point? Is this news of some kind?

Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (n13/j)

421 @415
Exactly, hence this attempt to find a reason so that those who are holdouts have cover.

Posted by: artemis at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (AwPyG)

422 How did Nunes manage to get elected in California?

Posted by: Eric at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (Uu+Jp)

423 I think whoever said in the comments that they should have just admitted to Quid Pro Quo had it right. Then relentlessly point who and how many times the Dems insist on all that Pork put into bills before they will sign it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (oY5lM)

424 Remember that Schiff was related by marriage to Soros. Never mentioned, for some reason.
Posted by: artemis


Soros and Schiff are married? Well ain't that a queer one!

(Johnny Carson voice) I did not know that!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative


Shiff is boning Soros' daughter.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (fBape)

425 417 >>The only reason the House hasn't impeached Trump as of last January is because they don't have the votes.

And they don't have the votes because if they do impeach him over this weak shit Nancy is in danger of losing her gavel.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 11:09 AM (ZLI7S)

===========

I think she's already guaranteed to lose it for letting impeachment dominate the Congress for the entirety.

Red district Democrats won't be able to point to anything that they did. And, when constituents ask them about their promises to not pursue impeachment in Congress, these critters won't have a good alibi, especially when they voted for the procedures.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (q80AH)

426 This is going so very badly, I'm starting to believe the GOP could actually have a shot at taking back the House...IF, Kevin McCarthy would come out FOR the President, and not just against the process.

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (Fxgkp)

427 If the Dems can hang on to the house in 2020 (which should be impossible given the last two years, but it sadly isn't), I wonder if Nancy loses the gavel anyway.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 11:12 AM (I2dne)

428
Seen elsewhere:



It's a mistake to vote for any candidate for any office except for a straight white man.



Every other variety is protected from criticism by liberal race, sex
and class doctrine. You're racist, sexist or classist if you dare to
criticize them.



So, if you want accountability from public officials, you must vote for straight white men.

Posted by: SMOD at November 20, 2019 10:57 AM (3aI0K)

Been my thinking all along actually.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 20, 2019 11:12 AM (9Om/r)

429 422 How did Nunes manage to get elected in California?
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He's a dairy farmer so he knows how to handle wine moms.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 11:12 AM (yRAFu)

430 When will the republicans learn that if they act like Quid Pro Quo is a crime, then everyone will think it is.

The best defense is to say "yeah, no money until you clean up your act".

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2019 11:12 AM (U6f/q)

431
dammit, doubled up on "cliche", which is...cliched.

Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019 11:13 AM (Vbjl4)

432 IF, Kevin McCarthy would come out FOR the President, and not just against the process.
Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019


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*

I liked his work in the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 11:13 AM (Ejm1K)

433 Just got done xmas shopping for the granddaughter. Who knew Archie comics would be so popular in 2019.
"Southside serpents gear gramps!"
Slow as I am, it took me a few minutes to realize it was tan updated Jughead, Archie, Veronica in "Riverdale"
Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster

........

I thought they killed off Archie!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2019 11:13 AM (so+oy)

434 431
dammit, doubled up on "cliche", which is...cliched.
Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019 11:13 AM (Vbjl4)

==========

Well, head off those cliches at the pass.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 11:13 AM (q80AH)

435 See ole' Vindy showed up to work today at the White House...in a suit. Why is he still working there? Or anywhere in the Govt?

Posted by: dingbat at November 20, 2019 11:13 AM (Qkbqn)

436 I think the BS claim that Sondland said Trump asked for a quid pro quo is coming from reading the media. "I've been online doing some browsing and the yahoo and other sites are screaming that Sondland just said that Trump demanded a quid pro quo.

It's why everyone is asking what the hell is going on.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 20, 2019 11:13 AM (v2Axo)

437 I thought they killed off Archie!"

They kinda did. Last I saw it in the supermarket, picked it up for old times sake, it was full-on woke. Not the Archie I remember.

Posted by: WTP at November 20, 2019 11:14 AM (66rlH)

438 Just got done xmas shopping for the granddaughter. Who knew Archie comics would be so popular in 2019.
"Southside serpents gear gramps!"
Slow as I am, it took me a few minutes to realize it was tan updated Jughead, Archie, Veronica in "Riverdale"
Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster

........

I thought they killed off Archie!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


He came out and moved off to San Francisco.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 11:14 AM (fBape)

439 Update: This is a big problem for Schiff:


Kelly O'Donnell
@KellyO
SONDLAND TESTIMONY:
He says Pres. never spoke about military aid as a condition to him "EVER" but he came to learn by Sept 8th that 'EVERYONE" knew and "I was absolutely convinced it was"


This isn't even hearsay on the quid pro quo for military aid. It's opinion and gossip.

===========

That's from Ed at Hot Air.

This thing is dead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 11:14 AM (q80AH)

440 Ignore the media.

https://tinyurl.com/tuh6r36

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2019 11:15 AM (ZLI7S)

441 also how fucked up a leader did Ukraine have to offer LTC. Pillsbury Doughboy the Defense Minister spot, not once, not twice but 3 TIMES??? There is a lot more to that story

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 11:15 AM (BqBId)

442 412 Sondland testifies at the impeachment hearing that he asked @realDonaldTrump "What do you want from Ukraine?" He says that Trump abruptly replied "I want nothing, I want nothing, I want no quid pro quo, just tell Zelensky to do the right thing."
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 11:08 AM (BqBId)

All righty then - why would Schiff call him as a witness?

Wow.

If he didn't know what this guy would say about quid pro quo, Schiff-for-Brains really is as dumb as we think.

And it's out there for everyone to see. Daily.

Apparently he's also nuts and immune to embarrassment.

Any sane person with a scrap of self-respect would have slinked offstage a long time ago, or never got up on stage at all.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 20, 2019 11:15 AM (CmURZ)

443 437 I thought they killed off Archie!"

They kinda did. Last I saw it in the supermarket, picked it up for old times sake, it was full-on woke. Not the Archie I remember.
Posted by: WTP at November 20, 2019


*
*

The Riverdale series, despite being in color, is kind of film noir. Last I saw a year or so ago, Archie got sent to prison. Yeah, really.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 11:15 AM (Ejm1K)

444 It's a mistake to vote for any candidate for any office except for a straight white man.



Every other variety is protected from criticism by liberal race, sex
and class doctrine. You're racist, sexist or classist if you dare to
criticize them.

-

Sarah Palin, Clarence Thomas, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Nikki Haley, and Ben Carson could not be reached for comment.

Minorities who happen to be conservative can be criticized just fine, it seems.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 11:16 AM (KUaJL)

445 The next phase has already begun. Trump must be removed by the 25th because he is unfit because of adderall and Sudafed use and abuse. The mockingbirds are chipping louder about this.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at November 20, 2019 11:16 AM (ngSZO)

446 How did Nunes manage to get elected in California?
Posted by: Eric at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (Uu+Jp)
+++++++++++
Interior. California is really 2-3 states
Coastal: Communist
Inland: Fairly conservative
--> Potential subdivision here based on proportion of illegal aliens, between "fairly conservative" and "third-world outpost"

Nunes is from CA-22 - an inland district.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 11:16 AM (I2dne)

447
Well, head off those cliches at the pass
------------

Somebody's going to get shot in the foot...

Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019 11:16 AM (Vbjl4)

448 Veronica and Betty bought a Lesbaru, loaded it up with softball gear and Melissa Etheridge CDs and headed out of Riverdale.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 20, 2019 11:16 AM (1XNk8)

449 How did Nunes manage to get elected in California?
Posted by: Eric at November 20, 2019 11:10 AM (Uu+Jp)

He represents the farm and ranch areas of the San Joachim area. Check out his official website, and look at this bio. He was heavily involved in helping to get water rights regulations that helped farmers in the area beat back the environuts in CA and held office in CA before running for the House.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 20, 2019 11:17 AM (v2Axo)

450 Kelly O'Donnell
@KellyO
SONDLAND TESTIMONY:
He says Pres. never spoke about military aid as a condition to him "EVER" but he came to learn by Sept 8th that 'EVERYONE" knew and "I was absolutely convinced it was"


---


Well by that standard, who's going down for the Epstein murder?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 11:17 AM (KUaJL)

451 This painting moves me in all the right ways.

Posted by: Lower GI at November 20, 2019 11:17 AM (Pzzpr)

452 MAD Magazine sent Archie to prison in the 50s. Everything old is new again.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 20, 2019 11:17 AM (1XNk8)

453 448 Veronica and Betty bought a Lesbaru, loaded it up with softball gear and Melissa Etheridge CDs and headed out of Riverdale.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 20, 2019 11:16 AM (1XNk

--------------

Got tired of waiting for Archie to make a decision.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 20, 2019 11:17 AM (qC1Sy)

454 When will the republicans learn that if they act like Quid Pro Quo is a crime, then everyone will think it is.

The best defense is to say "yeah, no money until you clean up your act".

Fucking idiots.
Posted by: jwest


Federal money used to ALWAYS come with strings.

STRINGS = ALSO KNOWN AS Quid Pro Quo.
Especially money going to police departments.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 11:18 AM (fBape)

455 Et in Albuquerque ego!



Posted by: Bugs Bunny at November 20, 2019 11:18 AM (gmo/4)

456 447
Well, head off those cliches at the pass
------------

Somebody's going to get shot in the foot...
Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019 11:16 AM (Vbjl4)

==========

Yay!

Potentially obscure reference understood!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 11:18 AM (q80AH)

457 Monkey up

Posted by: DocJ at November 20, 2019 11:18 AM (DU2N9)

458 448 Veronica and Betty bought a Lesbaru, loaded it up with softball gear and Melissa Etheridge CDs and headed out of Riverdale.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 20, 2019 11:16 AM (1XNk

LOL.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 11:19 AM (oY5lM)

459 @KellyO
SONDLAND TESTIMONY:
He says Pres. never spoke about military aid as a condition to him "EVER" but he came to learn by Sept 8th that 'EVERYONE" knew and "I was absolutely convinced it was"
+++++++++++++
Okay, so I have a probably stupid question. The Big Guy never talked talked to his EU Ambassador about a quid-pro-quo. In fact, he explicitly *denied* and desire in that regard.

But then, based on the rumor chamber that is DC and diplomatic core, Sondland came to believe not what he was directly told by his boss but instead what he was told by others his boss purportedly said to him.

That is weak-minded and weak-spined. No one like that should be an Ambassador to anything.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 11:19 AM (I2dne)

460 I think the BS claim that Sondland said Trump asked for a quid pro quo is coming from reading the media. "I've been online doing some browsing and the yahoo and other sites are screaming that Sondland just said that Trump demanded a quid pro quo.

It's why everyone is asking what the hell is going on.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 20, 2019 11:13 AM (v2Axo)

I"m going to repost this, as 436 left off half my post?

Posted by: Jen the original at November 20, 2019 11:19 AM (v2Axo)

461
Love that movie.

Posted by: Gooshy at November 20, 2019 11:19 AM (Vbjl4)

462
Chad Pergram @ChadPergram
45s
The future of the Trump presidency and impeachment could pivot on the next 45 minutes and how Republicans handle Sondland. Remember. Sondland is their witness
*******
He soooooo Hopes

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 11:20 AM (BqBId)

463 The President and foreign minister of Ukraine both say they were unaware of any Quid Pro Quo demand. What the fuck else do they need? I want to take a flamethrower to these Dems.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 20, 2019 11:20 AM (Q5ALd)

464 304
So it appears that Sondeland got the memo, you will have no post Trump
prospects unless you play ball with our shampeachment efforts.





All these people need smacked.

--------------------------

There are protesters outside his Hotels in Portland (Baghdad on the Willamette)

The libs are pretty much saying: "Nice businesses you got here. It would be a shame if something were to happen to 'em."


Posted by: portlandon at November 20, 2019 11:21 AM (+oR7L)

465 450
Kelly O'Donnell

@KellyO

SONDLAND TESTIMONY:

He says Pres. never spoke about military aid as a condition to him
"EVER" but he came to learn by Sept 8th that 'EVERYONE" knew and "I was
absolutely convinced it was"





---





Well by that standard, who's going down for the Epstein murder?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 11:17 AM (KUaJL)



So they all got into Schiffs big circle jerk, made up the story and agreed to it as "TRUTH" in spite of the facts. Then LtCol Puffy McMuffinstuffer tried to access the transcript to insert what they all agreed to and found it to be under lock and key. But the ball was already rolling and maybe Puffy McMuffinstuffer tried to access the secure classified server above his authorization level..........



Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 20, 2019 11:21 AM (ymnmz)

466 Chad Pergram @ChadPergram
45s
The future of the Trump presidency and impeachment could pivot on the next 45 minutes and how Republicans handle Sondland. Remember. Sondland is their witness
*******
He soooooo Hopes
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 11:20 AM (BqBId)

It should take all of 15 seconds.

"Hey Sondland, why don't you just go and get your fucking shinebox."

Fin.

Posted by: Roy at November 20, 2019 11:21 AM (hr2+k)

467 I have zero time in my life anymore for people who can't or won't what these America-hating commie shitstains are.

Posted by: ... at November 20, 2019 11:23 AM (7eoML)

468 And here goes Sondland's credibility

Posted by: Eric at November 20, 2019 11:27 AM (abQDf)

469 No Federal Highway funds until you lower the speed limit to 55! - The 1970's

Posted by: Archer at November 20, 2019 11:29 AM (gmo/4)

470 Wanda Ventham was a Bond girl? In which film?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 11:31 AM (Ejm1K)

471 Wanda Ventham was a Bond girl? In which film?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 20, 2019 11:31 AM (Ejm1K)
----
She might have been a girl in a Bond film, but that doesn't ne cc essarily make her a Bond Girl.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 20, 2019 11:39 AM (3Z6pZ)

472 Oh, a barefoot boy with shoes on
Came walking down the street
His hands were full of pockets
And his shoes were full of feet
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2019 10:17 AM (pNxlR)
+++++++++++++
One bright morning in the middle of the night
Two dead boys got up to fight
They faced each other back-to-back
Drew their swords and shot each other
A deaf policeman heard the noise
And came to kill the two dead boys
If you don't believe that this lie is true
Just ask the blind man - he saw it, too.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 10:20 AM (I2dne)
+++++++++++++
'Twas midnight on the ocean, not a streetcar was in sight
I stepped across the street just to get myself a light
The man behind the counter was a woman old and grey
Who used to peddle roses on the road to Mandalay
"Good evening, sir" she smiled at me; her eyes were filled with tears
She put her head between her legs and stood that way for years
Her children, six, were orphans, but for one small tiny tot
Who lived in the 2nd story just above the vacant lot.

Posted by: Ain't we crazy at November 20, 2019 11:53 AM (17+9D)

473
"I'm pretty sure the squeekhole is here somewhere."

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 20, 2019 12:08 PM (1hM1d)

474 176 US Ambassador to the European Union?
Do we have an ambassador to ISIS too?

That's gonna be Sondland's next gig...

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 20, 2019 12:16 PM (XN/6y)

475 this is so boring

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 20, 2019 12:29 PM (0O7c5)

476 I saw something different in the painting than what is described in the comment. I see it as a statement on human nature. The Goddess and the tablet represent knowledge. In this case the tablet represents history, (fact,) and the Goddess represents truth or understanding.

The three men represent three different reactions to knowledge. To the left we have indifference as that shepherd seems more concerned with what they will have for lunch. The next one is studying it, and the one to the right is questioning.

That is all.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 20, 2019 12:41 PM (LWu6U)

477 "It's Niki The Fish"!!!!

Posted by: The Guy at November 20, 2019 03:54 PM (4WWFs)

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