Judge <i>Orders</i> Jury to Find Against David Daleiden in Planned Parenthood Exposee Case

Judge Orders Jury to Find Against David Daleiden in Planned Parenthood Exposee Case

Planned Parenthood could not sue for defamation, for the simple reason that what Dale Daleiden and the Center for Medical Progress was all true.

Instead, they sued on the theory that he had "trespassed" on their property -- he was permitted to be there, but the permission was granted to his undercover alias, and they're claiming that nullifies the permission -- in order to do "harm" to their reputation.

Obviously, if this ruling were to be taken as a real ruling, it would mean that undercover investigations are now illegal in the US.

But this judge does not mean the ruling to mean that. He means it to be a Conservatives-Only ruling. Liberal undercover journalists will of course continue to be immune (on First Amendment grounds) from lawsuit based on the theory that they were "trespassing" on property by securing permission to be there by using a false name and fictitious purpose for the visit.

And Jonah Goldberg will continue talking about Marvel Movies and the "alt-right" which dares to find fault with him.

In a statement released by the Center for Medical Progress, Daleiden said the decision is a threat to citizen journalism and First Amendment rights.
"While top Planned Parenthood witnesses spent six weeks testifying under oath that the undercover videos are true and Planned Parenthood sold fetal organs on a quid pro quo basis, a biased judge with close Planned Parenthood ties spent six weeks influencing the jury with pre-determined rulings and by suppressing video evidence, all in order to rubber-stamp Planned Parenthood’s lawsuit attack on the First Amendment," he said. "This is a dangerous precedent for citizen journalism and First Amendment civil rights across the country, sending a message that speaking truth and facts criticizing the powerful is no longer protected by our institutions."
Earlier in the week, Judge William Orrick ordered the jury to find Daleiden guilty of trespassing at Planned Parenthood conferences and clinics, where Daleiden and others from CMP met with Planned Parenthood executives and staff.
“I have already determined that these defendants trespassed at each of these locations,” the judge said, as he explained to the jury they must accept his rulings and only decide what damages Planned Parenthood should be awarded, if any.

Repulsive.

The media should, of course, be scandalized by this ruling, as it is a direct assault on the process of journalism.

But they are not journalists first; they are partisan liberals first. And they understand this is a Conservatives-Only ruling.

This nation will not continue to exist under two distinct sets of laws.

Note that Planned Parenthood did NOT sue Daleiden for defamation. They did not and could not dispute his findings or his claims against them. Instead they sued him for the manner in which he exposed them.
— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) November 15, 2019

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 06:10 PM

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1 It's San Francisco looks like so...

I don't know whether that will survive on appeal.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 15, 2019 06:13 PM (j3npP)

2 So why have a jury?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 15, 2019 06:14 PM (cfSRQ)

3 A house divided...something, something...

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 15, 2019 06:14 PM (3DZIZ)

4 Also Obama judge.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 15, 2019 06:15 PM (j3npP)

5 /pedant

Leftists, not liberals

/pedant

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 15, 2019 06:15 PM (1Vobx)

6 DJT should pardon him.

He should go on a pardon spree on all his supporters fucked by partisan courts. Stone. Flynn . the Proud Boys. even that guy from Charlottesville.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:15 PM (NqyM4)

7 It shouldn't survive an appeal. And that judge should be severely reprimanded. But that will never happen.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 15, 2019 06:15 PM (VNmG1)

8 I don't know, Ace, seems like the law has been working out pretty well for the Epsteins up until 2019. It can go on just fine for abortion mills and terrorist groups.

Posted by: trev006 at November 15, 2019 06:15 PM (FoV3c)

9 They really intend to beat us into submission. From all corners of the culture, they seem completely united on this.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 15, 2019 06:15 PM (H8QX8)

10 why have a jury? so the judge has someone to hit for "contempt" when bullshit is called on his Rod Of Lordly Might.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:16 PM (NqyM4)

11 -- in order to do "harm" to their reputation.

By telling the truth.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:16 PM (oVJmc)

12 what if the jury overrules the judge?

and shouldn't a judge that determines verdicts and orders juries to comply ... be impeached? idk, but that is better than having to shoot a bunch of them, the other remedy.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 15, 2019 06:17 PM (Cus5s)

13 Yeesh, and I thought the Trump impeachment was a kangaroo court.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 15, 2019 06:17 PM (r+sAi)

14 oh OK, in that case, not guilty AND fuck you, judge

Posted by: x at November 15, 2019 06:17 PM (nFwvY)

15 Huh. So judges can now order a jury to come up with a specific verdict? Sounds like a sound judicial system to me.

Posted by: DangerGirl the SanityProd(tm) is lost at November 15, 2019 06:17 PM (SRarZ)

16 At some point, we need to find the guts to hold judges responsible. They can be impeached, too right?

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at November 15, 2019 06:18 PM (xptlg)

17 James O'Keefe better get a good lawyer.

Posted by: irright at November 15, 2019 06:18 PM (RVcmP)

18 Can one of our lawyerly Morons tell us if this rises to the level of judicial misconduct?

Posted by: Old Blue at November 15, 2019 06:18 PM (VNmG1)

19 I am thinking of requesting to be deleted from the Jury rolls.

Because there is no impartial justice. Evidence and data matter much less than connections and party affiliation.

And because of the two standards of justice.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:18 PM (u82oZ)

20 Judgement first, deliberations later.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 15, 2019 06:18 PM (Q9ugn)

21 Yes well, Jury Nullification is a real thing. Mind you the judge can ignore them but its a valid form of protest in our legal system and has actually been very useful in the past.

Our entire concept of freedom of speech and how libel laws work is based in a large part on a jury nullification before the revolution. A governor was criticized by the press and back then the truth of the claim was no defense. You either did or did not say something that annoyed a nobleman and if you did, you were guilty even if it was accurate.

The defense attorney argued "F that, he really is all that and you should find the paper not guilty" and the jury agreed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:18 PM (KZzsI)

22 Appeal goes to 9th Circus.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 15, 2019 06:18 PM (xPl2J)

23 I always thought trespassing required you to tell the person he couldn't be there first.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 15, 2019 06:19 PM (Ua91j)

24 Looks like Megyn deleted her bizarrely hateful and hostile tweet against Roger Stone. What did he do, not sufficiently tonguebathe her father in his career or something? What spawned that attack??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:19 PM (KZzsI)

25 "We award the plaintiff one cent."

Posted by: Vanya at November 15, 2019 06:19 PM (U7voe)

26 The president just now sent out a tweet that threatens our witness, Ambassador Yovanovich, and I'll read you want it says.

He says, "If that bitch"--excuse my language, but that's what it says, "...if she talks I'll kill her whole family!"

Clearly, Mr. Trump has descended to the level of a mafioso.

Posted by: Adam Schiff at November 15, 2019 06:19 PM (DuZls)

27 nullify!

And if the judge bitches, tell him to go fuck his mother and let him hold you in contempt. And every time he lets you out to ask you to change your decision, ask him what he is still doing there, as you told him to go fuck his mother.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 15, 2019 06:19 PM (LWu6U)

28 Umm, how can a judge order a jury to deliver a predetermined verdict?

What is the point of a trial by jury then?

This is as antithetical to justice as can be imagined.

This is bullshit.

Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at November 15, 2019 06:20 PM (E1uMk)

29 I am thinking of requesting to be deleted from the Jury rolls.

Oh I'm the opposite. I cannot WAIT to get onto another trial. As long as there's no justice for people like Comey and Holder and Hillary and the rest... none for anyone else either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:20 PM (KZzsI)

30 23 I always thought trespassing required you to tell the person he couldn't be there first.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 1

And they have to remain after you ask them to leave.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 15, 2019 06:20 PM (OBEna)

31 Ya know, in the 1500s in most parts of what is now Germany, if an executioner took more than 3 swings of the sword to get a head off, the crowd would turn on him, and he'd be lucky to escape with his life.

There might be a useful parallel here.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 15, 2019 06:20 PM (tb1RC)

32

No, it is not judicial misconduct to have ruled as matter of Law and liability prior to a jury trial. It's actually an unremarkable rolling if that is indeed the law in the state. There's no First Amendment right to trespass. That said, it's still a crappy application of the law, and one that would only happen to a conservative group because the media is ignoring the case.

Posted by: imp at November 15, 2019 06:20 PM (uKiy5)

33 19 I am thinking of requesting to be deleted from the Jury rolls.

Can you do that?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 15, 2019 06:21 PM (H8QX8)

34 Roland Freisler smiles.

Posted by: Lebron Horowitz at November 15, 2019 06:21 PM (UFgOG)

35 Judge William Orrick

Let his name be written on the special roll call of Traitors to Justice.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:21 PM (u82oZ)

36 Jury nullification is real world stuff, as CRT says, but it happens about as often as Haley's Comet passes overhead.

Posted by: mnw at November 15, 2019 06:21 PM (Cssks)

37 "on liability" and "unremarkable ruling"

Posted by: imp at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (uKiy5)

38 19 I am thinking of requesting to be deleted from the Jury rolls.

Because there is no impartial justice. Evidence and data matter much less than connections and party affiliation.

And because of the two standards of justice.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:18 PM (u82oZ)

Can you do that? I think you can get a quick pass if you're over a certain age or with disabilities, etc.

And Jury Nullification has a very long history in this country. Goes back to colony days when the British had to quit trying to have trials here in maritime courts because there was so much nullification going on.

Just mentioning it during jury selection is usually an automatic dismissal. But be careful there are judges that will throw you in the clink for bringing it up. They don't want ANYONE knowing this is a completely valid tactic that anyone can employ.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (j3npP)

39 Hey buddy, come on in! Good to see you! Let's sit down and talk!

I mean he's trespassing!

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (Ua91j)

40 Appeal goes to 9th Circus.

Trump's 'New and Improved' Ninth Circus?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (oVJmc)

41 Good, this was in a Federal Court. This case has got a LOT of litigation still to go.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (Kpl3J)

42 Also Obama judge.

= Anti-American Progressive who should be impeached and removed from the bench immediately.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (HaL55)

43 This is why I supported the OJ decision. Not because he was innocent, but because the jury was making a bigger point about the corruption of the PD -- that was more important than putting one murderer in prison.

nullify. nullify until the whole thing collapses.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (LWu6U)

44 which Megyn? Kelly? I have been avoiding news mostly today.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (NqyM4)

45 Just as long as cops can still lie to people, I'm all good.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (Ovo84)

46 No, it is not judicial misconduct to have ruled as matter of Law and liability prior to a jury trial. It's actually an unremarkable rolling if that is indeed the law in the state.

Yeah the judge in that poor kid's trial in Texas just ignored the jury ruling entirely. That I didn't know was legal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (KZzsI)

47 I have to go to the CMP website and download the testimony before 'they' disappear the awful truth.

Posted by: kallisto (I Am Troll Bitch) at November 15, 2019 06:23 PM (80Uh3)

48 It may be time for some of these so called "judges" to have some unfortunate accidents.

Lightning strikes, run over by a bus, drowned in their bath tubs, etc, etc.

Criminals in black pajamas is all they are.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 15, 2019 06:23 PM (Z+IKu)

49 Judge orders jury to find one way or another...

IF, I was on the jury I would do that exact opposite and state in deliberation room that is the 'evidence' irreparably formed my verdict for what it is. Y'all do what you want. My verdict will never change....
... sure I can do this all week / month / year, whatever you got, that Judge is not going to wait that long.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 15, 2019 06:23 PM (1g7ch)

50 the shitty part about jury duty is the eleven government employee slugs on the jury with you.

Posted by: x at November 15, 2019 06:23 PM (nFwvY)

51 San Fran? Yeah that guy is hosed. He needs to hope for at least one stubborn juror.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 15, 2019 06:23 PM (r+sAi)

52 which Megyn? Kelly? I have been avoiding news mostly today.

Megan McCain declared on twitter that Roger Stone could rot in hell. That's it, that's all she said.

I have no clue where that came from.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:23 PM (KZzsI)

53 Someone may have already asked/noted; but I am curious about an appeal to such a decision.

Posted by: DC at November 15, 2019 06:24 PM (/TvO8)

54 "In a jury trial, a directed verdict is an order from the presiding judge to the jury to return a particular verdict. Typically, the judge orders a directed verdict after finding that no reasonable jury could reach a decision to the contrary."
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Somehow, that last sentence sounds familiar.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 15, 2019 06:24 PM (xSo9G)

55 This judge is no different than the heroes in Benghazi!

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 15, 2019 06:24 PM (Ua91j)

56 Just got home from work, you guys moved too fast for me. I was about to post and found this new thread so under the guise of being will owed I'm going to post it anyways early in the thread.
I agree with caliban at 401 in last thread. I used to respect Bret Baier but his post about Trump's tweet about yovanovitch is idiotic. Trump was not intimidating her as he knew she was testifying at the time it was effing Adam Schiff that read that tweet to set up a charge of intimidation. He's just a crooked jackass. If you haven't seen Tom Shillue's imitation of him it is hysterical.

Posted by: Farmer at November 15, 2019 06:24 PM (Ga24s)

57 This nation will not continue to exist under two distinct sets of laws. -Ace-

You've got that right.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (z79tQ)

58 "And if the judge bitches, tell him to go fuck his mother and let him hold you in contempt."

does this option involve a steady diet of California prison penis? because that could get boring after awhile.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (NqyM4)

59 Megan McCain declared on twitter that Roger Stone could rot in hell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:23 PM (KZzsI)
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As all process criminals should.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (DuZls)

60 Some crackpots would say if you're not ready to go full 1776, it would be morally permissible (and some cranks would even go so far as to call it a moral obligation) to sabotage the system by every plausible-deniability-friendly means possible such as requesting payments in cash, being a bad juror, being a bad bureaucrat and so on.

Posted by: ElKomandante at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (XnhDT)

61 "Megan McCain declared on twitter that Roger Stone could rot in hell. That's it, that's all she said."

He and the Maverick are buds?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (tb1RC)

62
Jonah is still making SMOD jokes. Wasn't that an AOS in joke like five years ago?

Posted by: Sam Beezi at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (SLSp+)

63 Why bother with the jury?

Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (ZCEU2)

64 "...as he explained to the jury they must accept his rulings and only decide what damages Planned Parenthood should be awarded, if any."

Umm, how about, "No, Judge, you're wrong."? As juror, I get to decide the totality of the case. Don't like my rebuke/nullification, then mistrial and go again to another, smarter Court.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (6eEQ+)

65 he can say hi to Maverick while he's there.

Posted by: x at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (nFwvY)

66 I can't believe this case went to trial.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 15, 2019 06:25 PM (OBEna)

67 I hold Congress in contempt already. I hold many courts in contempt.

Np.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:26 PM (DuZls)

68 Heil Trump!

Posted by: George Lincoln Trump at November 15, 2019 06:26 PM (rsKFy)

69 oh THAT Meghan.

she sucks.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:26 PM (NqyM4)

70 Dan Smoot's Apprentice

I lived in Reston, VA for a number of years, ironically about 3 miles from bluebell. The Greater Reston Republican Club got the head of the Fairfax County jury system to to talk with us.

I was never called to a jury in Fairfax County, but he told us that if you make a special request to be on a jury, you were struck from the rolls.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:26 PM (u82oZ)

71 >>Umm, how about, "No, Judge, you're wrong."? As juror, I get to decide the totality of the case. Don't like my rebuke/nullification, then mistrial and go again to another, smarter Court.

Yep - Fuck You

...and let me warn you : that stain ain't washing out of your robe. I've been saving up for No Nut November.

Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2019 06:27 PM (JSFuc)

72 Yeah the judge in that poor kid's trial in Texas just ignored the jury ruling entirely. That I didn't know was legal.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:22 PM (KZzsI)

Judges have more power than many realize - but they know that they'll get in trouble if they use it too openly. If a jury makes a decision that the Judge thinks is contrary to the evidence presented, he/she can often just toss it out. (depends on the state and other things)

But I would point out that in the Oberlin trial, that Judge was very, very careful to do everything by the book, in order to make sure there would be very few, if any grounds for appeal based on his rulings. (He knew an appeal was coming) The Judge in this case has just made a great big sign with flashing lights saying APPEAL! APPEAL!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 15, 2019 06:27 PM (Kpl3J)

73 Megan McCain declared on twitter that Roger Stone could rot in hell.

Meghan McCain hasn't been promoted to the Godhead yet. She may hope he rots in hell, but telling God what to do as far as eternal damnation-well that's not a good thing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 15, 2019 06:27 PM (WI7YS)

74 We're not going to win this playing by their rules in their swamp.

Posted by: Blago at November 15, 2019 06:28 PM (sjTfF)

75 >>Megan McCain declared on twitter that Roger Stone could rot in hell.

Daughter of ISIS Founder Says Wha?

Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2019 06:28 PM (JSFuc)

76 As I said, Twitter is not a good thing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 15, 2019 06:28 PM (WI7YS)

77 Heil Trump!
Posted by: George Lincoln Trump at November 15, 2019 06:26 PM (rsKFy)
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LOL.

As the left celebrates all the "Trump associates" going to jail, Trump's still the "fascist dictator" running rampant through Washington.

Do you people ever worry about how far from reality you stray?

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:28 PM (DuZls)

78 I haven't been called for a jury in like a decade. I think its because they aren't sure I even exist any longer, having not filed any taxes for a very long time.

Technically I'm supposed to for state taxes, no matter that I make too little to pay any, but the tax advisor at H&R Block told me not to bother. Feds you don't even have to file unless you make a certain amount. I just don't sell that many books. Came close one year.

I could probably file for Earned Income Tax Credit, but as a single guy, probably not worth much.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:29 PM (KZzsI)

79 don't quote the troll.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:29 PM (NqyM4)

80 Wanna get deleted from the jury rolls?

Cancel your driver's license. Un-register to vote. And cancel your magazine subscriptions too.

Otoh, just report for jury duty & write the most outrageous thing you can think of on the jury questionnaire:

"I think I boinked defense counsel a couple of times," will usually work.

Or, you could take off your shoes & socks & ask the bailiff to hold them for you.

Posted by: mnw at November 15, 2019 06:29 PM (Cssks)

81 bth - Happy B'day Friend!

Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:29 PM (80Uh3)

82 What does the most Reverend David French have to say?

Oh, and I just learned Mr. Kellyanne Conway was an MSLSD panelist during the hearing today.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2019 06:29 PM (ptqGC)

83 Appeal goes to 9th Circus.

Trump's 'New and Improved' Ninth Circus?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

Yes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 15, 2019 06:30 PM (1Vobx)

84 don't quote the troll.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:29 PM (NqyM4)
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Oh come on. He was being ridiculous. And his ridiculousness is *right* before his eyes.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:30 PM (DuZls)

85 thank you kallisto. in the dentist lobby now.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:30 PM (NqyM4)

86 What's the point of a jury trial if the judge is going to demand a verdict? Also, how did PP manage to get a lawsuit out of trespassing for undercover journalism?

Get the Horde out.Burn California down.Scatter the stones of university campii.Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: pookysgirl and her technologically-adept cats at November 15, 2019 06:30 PM (XKZwp)

87 The Amish Asshole Returns.

Posted by: mikeyG at November 15, 2019 06:30 PM (XJkoT)

88 What's most weird about this is the very tenuous connection between the tort and the damages.

If I bust down your door and catch you diddling your maid, by this ruling/reasoning, I'd be on the hook for the your alimony payments because your wife divorced you when I told her about the maid ... but not because I told her about the maid, but because I trespassed at some point. I mean, being on the hook for fixing the door (and nominal damages for the trespassing) makes sense ... but the rest of it?

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at November 15, 2019 06:30 PM (hdzef)

89 Huh.

Not a criminal case, so I guess the right to a jury can be over-ridden by the judge without the judge being found to have abused his discretion on appeal?

Sounds a bit fishy.

Time to do some research!

Posted by: Sharkman at November 15, 2019 06:30 PM (bQngX)

90 effing ghouls

Posted by: vmom is on her last nerve with these traitors at November 15, 2019 06:30 PM (G546f)

91 Meggie Mac wants Roger Stone to join her dad?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2019 06:31 PM (ptqGC)

92 how can you trespass in a public space?

damn good thing i'm not on the jury or that so called "judge" would be citing me for contempt of court, because Fuck him.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 15, 2019 06:31 PM (8hiZZ)

93 IIRC, a judge can overrule a jury. But if my recollection is correct, the judge can only overturn a guilty verdict. I don't think I've ever heard of an instance in which a judge was allowed to find for the plaintiff.
If I were a juror on this case, then I'd find for damages of one dollar, though I'm guessing that the judge also ordered a minimum amount of damages that the jury must find.

Posted by: junior at November 15, 2019 06:31 PM (OtL8F)

94 So if my name is Bob but I tell everyone it's Steve I am literally trespassing everywhere I go.

Posted by: Max Power at November 15, 2019 06:31 PM (q177U)

95 Forget it, Jake. It's Hawaiian judges.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at November 15, 2019 06:31 PM (xptlg)

96 This is one of the rare times I miss Bill O'Reilly. He would've been all over this trial.

Posted by: Ktgreat at November 15, 2019 06:31 PM (f8ilN)

97 49 Judge orders jury to find one way or another...

IF, I was on the jury I would do that exact opposite and state in deliberation room that is the 'evidence' irreparably formed my verdict for what it is. Y'all do what you want. My verdict will never change....
... sure I can do this all week / month / year, whatever you got, that Judge is not going to wait that long.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 15, 2019 06:23 PM (1g7ch)

Yep. I think I've got a touch of Oppositional Defiant Disorder or whatever it is.

You gonna order me to A? Welp I'll do B all day and all night for as long as it takes. Done it before. Don't care. Days, weeks, months...doesn't mean a thing to me. A judge in a civil matter isn't going to outlast me.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 15, 2019 06:31 PM (j3npP)

98 does the 9th Circus have a trained tiger yet? I want to see it sicced on Obama judges who lose on appeal.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:31 PM (NqyM4)

99 Ye Olde Trolle has a very limited repertoire.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 15, 2019 06:31 PM (bQngX)

100

Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark

anyone??

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 15, 2019 06:32 PM (bW2bs)

101 CBS "News" leads with WITNESS INTIMIDATION!!!

Posted by: freaked at November 15, 2019 06:32 PM (Tnijr)

102
Not a criminal case, so I guess the right to a jury can be
over-ridden by the judge without the judge being found to have abused
his discretion on appeal?

JNOV

You want to see who our Elite Ruling Class is?
Straight up judicial dictators.

Posted by: mikeyG at November 15, 2019 06:32 PM (XJkoT)

103 damn good thing i'm not on the jury or that so called "judge" would be citing me for contempt of court, because Fuck him.

"yeah my ass, your 'honor'"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:32 PM (KZzsI)

104 The Left sure loves whistleblowers/

Posted by: redridinghood at November 15, 2019 06:32 PM (wiXsO)

105 does the 9th Circus have a trained tiger yet? I want to see it sicced on Obama judges who lose on appeal.

At the risk of sounding all Roman and shit, I'd pay to see that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 15, 2019 06:33 PM (HaL55)

106 Megan McCain declared on twitter that Roger Stone could rot in hell.

He can be Daddy's cell mate.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:33 PM (oVJmc)

107 anyone??
Posted by: Soothsayer

If you leave, don't leave now

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:33 PM (KZzsI)

108 Appeal! Appeal! Appeal!

Posted by: redridinghood at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (wiXsO)

109 Judges have more power than many realize - but they know that they'll get in trouble if they use it too openly. If a jury makes a decision that the Judge thinks is contrary to the evidence presented, he/she can often just toss it out. (depends on the state and other things)

But I would point out that in the Oberlin trial, that Judge was very, very careful to do everything by the book, in order to make sure there would be very few, if any grounds for appeal based on his rulings. (He knew an appeal was coming) The Judge in this case has just made a great big sign with flashing lights saying APPEAL! APPEAL!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 15, 2019 06:27 PM (Kpl3J)

Unless the judge is elected, there is not a single thing we can do. And it they are elected, the thing we can do is quite limited.

Why would a judge care if his rulling is appealed? Is there some scorecard? Is he going to get less of a bonus that year? He going to get suspended without pay? With pay?

Nah.

Judges can do whatever they want, and no one will say dick.

Posted by: blaster at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (ZfRYq)

110 the troll is the mad mathematician , AmishDude?

why isn't he solving the Navier Stokes Existence problem?

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (NqyM4)

111 There is a legitimate thing known as a directed verdict, but it's supposed to have a high standard and sparingly applied. I'm sure this will end up being appealed.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (NWiLs)

112 Remember 60 minutes?

I was thinking about it the other day. Plenty of false pretenses to be on private property--and they played it up like it was a *crime* simply to lie to the American people.

Now, because most of the media are lackies to those made powerful through the Deep State, they don't actually investigate, but simply relay press releases and official DNC talking points (as the DNC emails exposed).

So now, it's no big deal if what you're lying about is not illegal, and by the way, investigative reporting IS.

Profoundly Marcusean.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (DuZls)

113
If you leave me now
you take away the biggest part of me

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (bW2bs)

114 Our legislators are not acting as feedback mechanisms by impeaching bad judges. We need to encourage more impeachments.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (u82oZ)

115 So now the hearings have to be started all over.

Posted by: freaked at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (Tnijr)

116 1h
NEW: Prince Andrew says he "let the side down" by staying at home of convicted US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein - BBC

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (BqBId)

117 Reminds me of "The Verdict" when Paul Newman tells the corrupt Judge, "if you're going to try my case for me, try not to lose it."

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 15, 2019 06:35 PM (H8QX8)

118 "While top Planned Parenthood witnesses spent six weeks testifying under
oath that the undercover videos are true and Planned Parenthood sold
fetal organs on a quid pro quo basis..."

Is that legal?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 15, 2019 06:35 PM (HaL55)

119 mnw: "Wanna get deleted from the jury rolls?"

Last time I was called, a guy stood up during voir dire and pretty much said, "F*** all of you and your system. I think all of you lawyers are corrupt."

I smiled inside but the room was eerily silent. And it was a BIG room with about 250 potential jurors. He was dismissed on day one.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 15, 2019 06:35 PM (6eEQ+)

120 Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark

anyone??

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 15, 2019 06:32 PM (bW2bs)

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Enola Gay

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 15, 2019 06:35 PM (8hiZZ)

121 You want to see who our Elite Ruling Class is?
Straight up judicial dictators.

Posted by: mikeyG at November 15, 2019 06:32 PM (XJkoT)
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And the Deep State is coming for Alex Jones.

Enemies of the State.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:35 PM (DuZls)

122 Our legislators are not acting as feedback mechanisms by impeaching bad judges. We need to encourage more impeachments.

We should require a minimum of three impeachments a year.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:35 PM (oVJmc)

123 I suppose I was listening to Yazoo earlier, which is marginally gayer than Orchestral Manouevres In The Dark.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 15, 2019 06:36 PM (NqyM4)

124

Best Judge Ever: Herman Munster

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 15, 2019 06:36 PM (bW2bs)

125 We will continue to get hammered by these types of judicial decisions so long as these court cases are decided in jurisdictions where the partisan split is 95-5. A Republican or conservative cannot get justice in DC, NYC, or California. A jury of 12 angry liberal will always do this kind of thing. Federal agencies need to be moved out of DC so that their illegal conduct is committed in Texas or Utah or Alabama. There is no point in getting upset when the scorpion stings the frog.

Posted by: tommylotto at November 15, 2019 06:36 PM (dYinJ)

126 122 Our legislators are not acting as feedback mechanisms by impeaching bad judges. We need to encourage more impeachments.

We should require a minimum of three impeachments a year.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:35 PM (oVJmc)

Burning at the stake.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2019 06:36 PM (NWiLs)

127 This is the Iowahawk Theorem at its finest.

Take over a respected institution(the judiciary), kill its respect, gut it, and demand respect while wearing its corpse as a skin-suit.

Watch. Once all the Trump appointed judges turn the judiciary in general anti-leftist, there will be a big leftist anti-judiciary movement, based on the nonsense created by these leftist judges.

Posted by: davidt at November 15, 2019 06:36 PM (l3+k2)

128 It's now obvious why Democrats are getting frantic on all the judicial appointments President Trump has made, and why RBG is living on life force only.

Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 06:36 PM (ZCEU2)

129 Why would a judge care if his rulling is appealed? Is there some scorecard? Is he going to get less of a bonus that year?

Well it used to be damaging to your career and chances of advancement, and hurt your standing as a judge to be overruled by a higher court. These days I think its a badge of honor to them or something.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:36 PM (KZzsI)

130 >>NEW: Prince Andrew says he "let the side down" by staying at home of convicted US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein - BBC

"But when you are Balls Deep in Teenage Snizz it's hard to see your way...or something." He continued.

Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2019 06:37 PM (JSFuc)

131 This and the impeachment fiasco are following the legal concept of 'Leftists are above the law.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:37 PM (oVJmc)

132 My nightmare dream continues, I can't seem to wake up, and the stores in my dream are all out of ammo!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:37 PM (BiNEL)

133 Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Trump!

Posted by: George Lincoln Trump at November 15, 2019 06:37 PM (rsKFy)

134 387 someone is going to respond to what i said upthread. I am sure of it. even a that is gross would suffice.
Posted by: Quint at November 15, 2019 06:10 PM (n13/j)
That is gross.

And you will eventually get used to being ignored. Happens to us all, er, some of us.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 15, 2019 06:37 PM (z79tQ)

135 Just when are these judges Trump appointed going to begin making rulings the right agrees with?

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (Fxgkp)

136 CBS "News" leads with WITNESS INTIMIDATION!!!
Posted by: freaked at November 15, 2019 06:32 PM (Tnijr)
***************
CBS-
Complete Bull Shit

Posted by: redridinghood at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (wiXsO)

137 does the 9th Circus have a trained tiger yet? I want to see it sicced on Obama judges who lose on appeal.

At the risk of sounding all Roman and shit, I'd pay to see that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 15, 2019 06:33 PM (HaL55)

Seeing I'm Italian with roots in Rome, I say fucking go for it.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (9Om/r)

138 >>NEW: Prince Andrew says he "let the side down" by staying at home of convicted US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein - BBC

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I totes got this global warming stuff figured out, though!

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (Ua91j)

139 you people are too smart. Who is Marcuse?

Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (80Uh3)

140 Our legislators are not acting as feedback mechanisms by impeaching bad judges. We need to encourage more impeachments.

Correct. At this point it would be better for the nation to have too many, too trivial impeachments and removals than the almost never impeachments we now see. Legislators have almost entirely abandoned their proper role as a check against judicial overreach, because they find judges too damned handy.

Its politically costly to take certain stances or push for certain laws, so you just let a judge make a new law with some cockamamie ruling and hey, you get what you want without political cost!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (KZzsI)

141 NEW: Prince Andrew says he "let the side down" by staying at home of convicted US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein - BBC
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 15, 2019 06:34 PM (BqBId)

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?????

What's "the side?"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (LGkrj)

142
Last time I was called, a guy stood up during voir dire and pretty much said, "F*** all of you and your system. I think all of you lawyers are corrupt."

I smiled inside but the room was eerily silent. And it was a BIG room with about 250 potential jurors. He was dismissed on day one.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel

Doesn't work in some states. The judges in CA at least will just make sure you're entertained somehow.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (1Vobx)

143 Oh no! Closed door testimony "damning".

Posted by: freaked at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (Tnijr)

144 You could literally charge every kid on Halloween who steps on your property with trespassing.

"I'm sorry, you're not actually a witch?"

Posted by: Max Power at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (q177U)

145 The new class of troll is not even funny in an ironic way. Not much to fun.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (xPJvm)

146 "This nation will not continue to exist under two distinct sets of laws."

Well when does that kick in? Nixon thought he could do what LBJ did and found out there are different rules for R presidents. Sanctuary cites are not a brand new thing. Illegal aliens can get busted for DUI with no license and go right on about their lives in Denver, LA etc.

I'd like to believe that Americans won't keep taking this BS, but the biggest backlash I ever witness is complaining about it. Is not even funny anymore when liberals complain about the thieving illegals moving into/near their neighborhoods but still proudly vote for the commiecrats.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (cDw3P)

147 Exactly how stupid would I have to be while reveling in the Impeachment Trials and in all Trump's associates "going to jail" to persist in Trump is a fascist dictator garbage?

I mean what level of swamp rat stupidity is that?

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (DuZls)

148 Posted by: George Lincoln Trump at November 15, 2019 06:37 PM (rsKFy)

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su madre, pendeja.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (8hiZZ)

149 Ah.

I see the jury found violations of RICO.

There's your problem.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (bQngX)

150
How do you intimidate a witness who wasn't a witness to anything??

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (bW2bs)

151 >>>Oh no! Closed door testimony "damning".
Posted by: freaked at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (Tnijr)

The walls are closing in!

Posted by: Max Power at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (q177U)

152 A Republican or conservative cannot get justice in DC, NYC, or California

Its always been true that some groups can't get justice some places. All that changes is which groups in what places.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (KZzsI)

153 you people are too smart. Who is Marcuse?
Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (

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German Communist philosopher of the Frankfurt school.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (LGkrj)

154 What's "the side?"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

the soccer team

Posted by: x at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (nFwvY)

155 NEW: Prince Andrew says he "let the side down" by staying at home of convicted US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein - BBC
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Eeeew... just don't tell us which side. Don't need another mental image I can't shake.

Posted by: ... at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (yokAj)

156 You could literally charge every kid on Halloween who steps on your property with trespassing.

"I'm sorry, you're not actually a witch?"
Posted by: Max Power at November 15, 2019 06:39 PM (q177U)
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LOL.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (DuZls)

157 This and the impeachment fiasco are following the legal concept of 'Leftists are above the law.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:37 PM (oVJmc)

I can easily identify at least four sets of laws in play in the US judicial system, perfectly consistent with a caste system, and that would be fine except that I am one of the untouchables and thus am on the bottom rung!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (BiNEL)

158 Mr. Peebles: "We should require a minimum of three impeachments a year."

And one hanging. For inspiration... and to show we're not wholly barbaric.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (6eEQ+)

159 Arbeit Macht Frei!

Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (80Uh3)

160 136 CBS "News" leads with WITNESS INTIMIDATION!!!
Posted by: freaked at November 15, 2019 06:32 PM (Tnijr)

Trump is fighting back. The gall. They hate that. Up until Trump, our politicians always knew their place.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (H8QX8)

161 Diesmal die Welt!!

Posted by: George Lincoln Trump at November 15, 2019 06:41 PM (rsKFy)

162 OMD? Sure!

Memories are uncertain friends

Posted by: Lickmiffin at November 15, 2019 06:41 PM (Yiig1)

163 WEISSMAN MEANS 'WHITE BOY'!

Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:41 PM (80Uh3)

164 Yudhishthira's Dice

Tight, young, side piece, or his former wife, Sarah Ferguson?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:41 PM (u82oZ)

165 What's the point of juries then in a kritarchy?

Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (WqPYg)

166 Stone had absolutely nothing to do with Russia. Muller is the real criminal here.

Posted by: freaked at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (Tnijr)

167 74 We're not going to win this playing by their rules in their swamp.

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yes, their rules are:

1. everything you do is wrong and outrageous.
2. why would you even suggest that we've done anything wrong, are you an alt-right racist?

Posted by: mushroom maniac at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (FEQY4)

168 Its always been true that some groups can't get justice some places. All that changes is which groups in what places.
_____________

Yes, but all the gears of our leviathan government are in locations where we are the ones behind the eight ball.

Posted by: tommylotto at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (dYinJ)

169 "Wanna get deleted from the jury rolls?"

Drop the all-powerful N-Word. Good as gold.

Posted by: davidt at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (l3+k2)

170 Until Judges ON THE RIGHT replace conservatives judge, who seem to be perfectly fine with never ever ever rolling back leftist ill gotten gains, we will continue to deteriorate. We can't become them, so we'll just lose to them instead is cuck. Fuck the cuck.

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (Fxgkp)

171 Husband is bringing home noms from our fave Mexican place.

For some reason, I ordered the extra spicy shrimp again. I guess I love pain.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2019 06:43 PM (ptqGC)

172 "But when you are Balls Deep in Teenage Snizz it's hard to see your way...or something." He continued.

Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2019 06:37 PM (JSFuc)

And yet, people wonder why I keep coming here!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:43 PM (BiNEL)

173 Drinking cognac but its not making me French

Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 06:43 PM (ZCEU2)

174 I have had enough with this shadow diplomacy bullshit and just called the news room at wbap and asked if anyone of them had ever read the Constitution and that Foreign policy was the sole purview of the President.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 15, 2019 06:44 PM (6LZkj)

175 Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH

So you can tell your groupies about the gang you hang around with?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:44 PM (u82oZ)

176 That Masha Youhavabitch - I assumed she sounded like Natasha from Rocky and Bullwinkle, but she sounds like a Becky.

Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:44 PM (80Uh3)

177 yes, their rules are:

1. everything you do is wrong and outrageous.
2. why would you even suggest that we've done anything wrong, are you an alt-right racist?
Posted by: mushroom maniac at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (FEQY4)

There aren't rules about us so much as a collective understanding that we're subhuman.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 15, 2019 06:44 PM (H8QX8)

178 153 you people are too smart. Who is Marcuse?
Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (

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German Communist philosopher of the Frankfurt school.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (LGkrj)

Beat me to it. Herbert Marcuse is one of tne of the assholes that gave us "critical theory" which has poisoned academia for decades now.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2019 06:44 PM (NWiLs)

179 When is it enough?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 15, 2019 06:45 PM (2B9A/)

180 Criminals in black pajamas is all they are.

Well, actually it is more of a moo-moo.

Posted by: Paladin at November 15, 2019 06:45 PM (JDw72)

181 For some reason, I ordered the extra spicy shrimp again. I guess I love pain.

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Something something diablo? I tend to order that everywhere I go. I've had some that I regret ordering, and others that I regret I'll probably never be able to order again.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 15, 2019 06:45 PM (Ua91j)

182 More specifically, Marcuse and Dutschke were the intellectual architects of the Marxist cultural and institutional subversion techniques used so effectively against the Western democracies in the past half century.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 15, 2019 06:45 PM (LGkrj)

183 We are being othered. As long as we can hold weapons, we should be OK. Not afterward, however.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (u82oZ)

184

But they are not journalists first; they are partisan liberals first. And they understand this is a Conservatives-Only ruling.

This nation will not continue to exist under two distinct sets of laws.

I think this right, but I don't think that this is all. The Monster Babies refused to grow up and now they are in their 40s and 50s and never took responsibility for anything or held themselves accountable for anything.
You know who I am talking about. People with no soul. No compassion and no feeling and no sympathy toward anyone but themselves. Immature 60 year old 6 year olds who can't EVER laugh at themselves and they MUST NOT EVER be exposed to any type of pain or suffering or even difficulty. THEY ARE SPECIAL AND NEED THESE DRUGS, don't you see? They are so alien to decent humanity, they might as well be from Alpha Centauri.

Our nation has a problem with the character of it's people. The law and legal system have been hijacked by politicians for sure, but the squeaky wheels get the grease and around half our country is throwing a big , rotten putrid stinking, squeaky tantrum.

Even the Pinochet Option had only apparently a temporary effect on Chile.

If it doesn't result in a shooting war it will be some kind of miracle.

Posted by: mikeyG at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (XJkoT)

185 What's the point of juries then in a kritarchy?

Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (WqPYg)

They provide the necessary illusion of an ordered society based on "laws" to lull the proles into accepting the creep of totalitarian socialism!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (BiNEL)

186 153
you people are too smart. Who is Marcuse?

Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (

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German Communist philosopher of the Frankfurt school.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (LGkrj)

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Saul Alinsky's "Radicals for No Rules for Radicals" was initially titled the "Marcuse of Queensbury Rules."

Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (WqPYg)

187 What's the point of juries then in a kritarchy?
Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (WqPYg)
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Some amount of camouflage is often strategic.

It's why the Dems pretend to be for representative government and "The Consitution" (really just the title of Supreme Law of the Land, that they covet).

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (DuZls)

188 Good for you, Ben Had!

And good news just now: Trump has just granted full pardons and clemency for three of our military who were accused of murder and worse for killing the enemy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (ptqGC)

189 Burning at the stake.

Posted by: Insomniac

Decimation.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (OqsNP)

190 CBS "News" leads with WITNESS INTIMIDATION!!!
Posted by: freaked
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UH, by Schiff? I mean he's the one that read the Tweet, no?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (CDGwz)

191 Drinking cognac but its not making me French
Posted by: Skip

You need to crack open a pack of Gauloises and speak disdainfully about les américains.

And a zebra-striped shirt wouldn't hurt either.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (1Vobx)

192 German Communist philosopher of the Frankfurt school.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 15, 2019 06:40 PM (LGkrj)

Beat me to it. Herbert Marcuse is one of tne of the assholes that gave us "critical theory" which has poisoned academia for decades now.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2019 06:44 PM (NWiLs)

I believe he also articulated the idea of "repressive tolerance," a selective nullification of free speech.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 15, 2019 06:47 PM (H8QX8)

193 For some reason, I ordered the extra spicy shrimp again. I guess I love pain.

Some good food burns twice

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:47 PM (KZzsI)

194 And Steve Hayes isn't sure about the clemency and pardons. Idiot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2019 06:47 PM (ptqGC)

195 Drinking cognac but its not making me French

Posted by: Skip

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Well duh. It's beer that makes you oui oui.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 15, 2019 06:47 PM (Ua91j)

196
I believe he also articulated the idea of "repressive tolerance," a selective nullification of free speech.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 15, 2019 06:47 PM (H8QX

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Yes.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 15, 2019 06:48 PM (LGkrj)

197 Oh no! Closed door testimony "damning".

But you'll have t take their word for it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:48 PM (oVJmc)

198 They provide the necessary illusion of an ordered
society based on "laws" to lull the proles into accepting the creep of
totalitarian socialism!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (BiNEL)

_______

"Ah ... kind of like being someone's beard then?" -- The Mooch/Rosario 2020!!!

Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 15, 2019 06:48 PM (WqPYg)

199 So you can tell your groupies about the gang you hang around with?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:44 PM (u82oZ)

Believe me, they are in awe of the people I hang with, although I am starting to fear we shall all hang together!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:49 PM (BiNEL)

200 you people are too smart. Who is Marcuse?

Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (
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Marcuse is a member of the Frankfurt school that suggested a very cynical media strategy of starting out by demanding free speech to introduce Americans to ideas they weren't fond of, but then as the power switched hands, as they hoped, speech would have to be restricted. It would have to be rolled back.

Hatespeech, "denier" and all those sorts of things is how they hope to accomplish that.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:49 PM (DuZls)

201 Drop the all-powerful N-Word.

Wahrheit, by Trump!!

Posted by: George Lincoln Trump at November 15, 2019 06:49 PM (rsKFy)

202 What did Stone do to piss of Megan McCain? Probably speaking the truth about her dad.

Washington Times: "Roger Stone denounces the late John McCain as treasonous, 'epically corrupt'"

https://tinyurl.com/ybg6bc5e

Posted by: buzzion at November 15, 2019 06:50 PM (Z7lwY)

203 We can divorce pleasant like, or we can do it the hard way. But we can't continue with two sets of laws.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2019 06:50 PM (dEvh1)

204 Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH

Or we can flip the script. We need to be clever on how we push back.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:50 PM (u82oZ)

205 "Ah ... kind of like being someone's beard then?" -- The Mooch/Rosario 2020!!!

Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 15, 2019 06:48 PM (WqPYg)

Your concept is so much easier for the populace to understand!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:50 PM (BiNEL)

206 192. Thank you all for answering.

Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:50 PM (80Uh3)

207 What did Stone do to piss of Megan McCain? Probably speaking the truth about her dad.

Yeah that would do it. Truth hurts when its about one's idolized daddy, I suppose.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:50 PM (KZzsI)

208 Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 15, 2019 06:45 PM

Gloria no one ever said enough is enough
Lumineers

Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 06:50 PM (ZCEU2)

209 Troll recycles 'Bushitler' tropes from 2004.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:51 PM (oVJmc)

210 d good news just now: Trump has just granted full
pardons and clemency for three of our military who were accused of
murder and worse for killing the enemy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2019 06:46 PM (ptqGC)

______

Awesome! Three years too late, but still. Too bad they (presumably) can't sue ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 15, 2019 06:51 PM (WqPYg)

211 So now they want to arrest Alex Jones? Wtf.... Lawfare gone wild

Posted by: Pliney at November 15, 2019 06:51 PM (nzKWW)

212 Yes, but all the gears of our leviathan government are in locations where we are the ones behind the eight ball.

Yeah but when you were a black man in 1910 you were in the same boat. There's never really been justice, not consistently. Its just out turn as white men to be the ones who take it in the shorts.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:52 PM (KZzsI)

213 **Jonah is still making SMOD jokes. Wasn't that an AOS in joke like five years ago? **

Totally...micro novas are the new SMOD. suspicious observers. Com

Posted by: Paladin at November 15, 2019 06:52 PM (JDw72)

214 211 So now they want to arrest Alex Jones? Wtf.... Lawfare gone wild
Posted by: Pliney at November 15, 2019 06:51 PM (nzKWW)

They'll come for us all sooner or later.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 15, 2019 06:53 PM (H8QX8)

215 Well, I guess we're all burning in hell then.

Posted by: Ktgreat at November 15, 2019 06:53 PM (f8ilN)

216

Hatespeech, "denier" and all those sorts of things is how they hope to accomplish that.

Consider they're also replacing the Sexual Revolution with the New Puritanism, as well. Same process.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:53 PM (oVJmc)

217 You know, there IS a way to do this. But no one will do it.
You have to move from your comfort to California. You have to move to San Fransisco /West coast. And you have to get noisy. Same for New York City / NE corridor.
It's the only way.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at November 15, 2019 06:53 PM (t41dG)

218 Jane - A longtime coming but better late than never

Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 06:53 PM (ZCEU2)

219
207
What did Stone do to piss of Megan McCain? Probably speaking the truth about her dad.

Yeah that would do it. Truth hurts when its about one's idolized daddy, I suppose.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:50 PM (KZzsI)

How dare you cretins disrespect one of the greatest of all Americans, daddy dearest!

Posted by: Porkchop Barbie at November 15, 2019 06:53 PM (LLUXC)

220 What's the point of juries then in a kritarchy?
Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 15, 2019 06:42 PM (WqPYg)

Money for trial attorneys who put the dumbest people they can find on them and rake in the dough.

Those Billboard ads don't pay for theyselves.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 15, 2019 06:54 PM (Z+IKu)

221 So now they want to arrest Alex Jones? Wtf.... Lawfare gone wild
Posted by: Pliney at November 15, 2019 06:51 PM (nzKWW)
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If significant enough sector can be convinced that Trump intimidated a witness by saying something bad about her, and that same sector can be glad as each "Trump associate" goes up the river for process crimes, they can badger Jones until he "lies to the FBI".

They want to lock us all up. That's becoming clear to me. (And I'm not even that well-disposed to AJ.)

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:54 PM (DuZls)

222 Well, I guess we're all burning in hell then.
Posted by: Ktgreat at November 15, 2019 06:53 PM (f8ilN)

#Soon

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:55 PM (BiNEL)

223 You have to move from your comfort to California. You have to move to San Fransisco /West coast. And you have to get noisy. Same for New York City / NE corridor.
It's the only way.

Then you have to have lots of kids, raise them carefully, and have them have lots of kids. In 40 years or so, the hippies will be outbred and out of power. If we'd started doing this in the Reagan years guess what it would be like now?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:55 PM (KZzsI)

224 Christopher R Taylor

What if we had a day in which no conservative spent money? Or posted anything? Or if we all wore red MAGA hats.

Or carried signs "Islam is right about LGBTs" at a protest rally.

My favorite is to throw a traffic cone at Anti-fas heads.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:55 PM (u82oZ)

225 Amazingly, Allen Funt would be convicted under the same premise of the judge.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:55 PM (oVJmc)

226 legalinsurrection.com/sen ron johnson would subpoena the bidens schiff and the whistleblowe

He hehe, but doubt the Democrats will ever get that far to hand it off to the Senate.

Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 06:56 PM (ZCEU2)

227 I joined against the left when I saw that they wanted to suppress traditionalists. And then I saw that they wanted to silence traditionalists.

And now it's becoming clear they want to jail opponents.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:56 PM (DuZls)

228 NaCly Dog, I'd read a book published post WW2 called 'The Dutch Jews'. It described how the Nazis systematically and methodically unpersoned the Jews. I realized this is what the Maoists are doing to all anti-Leftists, not just Deplorables.

Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:56 PM (80Uh3)

229
Amazingly, Allen Funt would be convicted under the same premise of the judge.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:55 PM (oVJmc)

Only if he was a conservative.

Posted by: ... at November 15, 2019 06:57 PM (yokAj)

230 This sounds a few days old but good enough:

@markknoller
·
3m
Pres Trump grants pardons to two Army officers and issues an order to promote a NAVY SEAL who was reduced in rank. All three were tried or facing trial in separate military criminal cases.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 15, 2019 06:57 PM (1Vobx)

231 Consider they're also replacing the Sexual Revolution with the New Puritanism, as well. Same process.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 06:53 PM (oVJmc)

We have always been at war with ~~EastAsia~~ WestAsia!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:57 PM (BiNEL)

232 What if we had a day in which no conservative spent money? Or posted anything? Or if we all wore red MAGA hats.

I tried for months to get conservatives to just avoid social media entirely for one day a week. Social Media Sabbath. Take Sunday off and don't post or read or visit any social media site.

You would have thought I asked people to choose which testicle to cut off.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:57 PM (KZzsI)

233 Tried by a ~~jury of your peers~~ judge that is your political enemy.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (VCajk)

234 Axeman - Have written here countless times
Show me a Leftist and I will show you someone just waiting for the gulags to open

Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (ZCEU2)

235 Can we start fertilizing the tree yet???

Posted by: Tommy Jefferson of Old Virginia at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (BDQo0)

236 What's "the side?"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (LGkrj)
******
The Royals

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (BqBId)

237 The fundamental destruction of the justice system and rule of law is one thing, horrible puns are quite another.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (2B9A/)

238 You have to move from your comfort to California.
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Excuse me. But I like the 1st World. I have no desire to locate to a 3rd world People's Republic.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (DuZls)

239 kallisto

Been seeing it for decades. One big reason I moved my family to rural Kansas from Reston, VA.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (u82oZ)

240 Marcuse, who worked in the oss during the war as an analyst on germany, was a mentor to the sds at Berkeley and uc santa cruz,

Posted by: gaius martius at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (hMlTh)

241 219
207
What did Stone do to piss of Megan McCain? Probably speaking the truth about her dad.

Yeah that would do it. Truth hurts when its about one's idolized daddy, I suppose.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 15, 2019 06:50 PM (KZzsI)

How dare you cretins disrespect one of the greatest of all Americans, daddy dearest!

Posted by: Porkchop Barbie at November 15, 2019 06:53 PM (LLUXC)

And right in the middle of his funeral!

Posted by: buzzion at November 15, 2019 06:59 PM (Z7lwY)

242 Been seeing it for decades. One big reason I moved my family to rural Kansas from Reston, VA.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

You sound like my husband. He wants out of NoVA, especially since the election a couple of weeks ago.

Posted by: Moki at November 15, 2019 06:59 PM (mFoNl)

243 The First Amendment is dead in the U.S., with the Second to follow.

Host the "wrong" website? Your host will shut you off. Say the "wrong" thing? You'll be sued to oblivion and denied employment.

Try to assemble in public saying the "wrong" things? The FBI's street death squad, antifa, will come try to kill you, and the cops will look the other way.

So many end runs around the First Amendment that it's meaningless.

That'll be what they do with guns too.

Unless, you know, the GOP decides to take any steps at all towards stopping their electoral demographic doom via mass immigration. Bringing it up any day now would be splendid.

Posted by: KRockFM at November 15, 2019 06:59 PM (VzNZ/)

244 Who is Dale Dandelion?

Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always asks... at November 15, 2019 07:00 PM (EgshT)

245 Theo Marcuse was a character actor back in the 60s.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 15, 2019 07:00 PM (oVJmc)

246 Well duh. It's beer that makes you oui oui.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

heh

Posted by: MiklosPM at November 15, 2019 07:00 PM (QzkSJ)

247
We have always been at war with EastAsia WestAsia!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 15, 2019 06:57 PM (BiNEL)
Yes Comrade, I see the the truth of your statement. We have never been at war with WestAsia.

Posted by: Zombie George Orwell at November 15, 2019 07:00 PM (LLUXC)

248 nood

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 15, 2019 07:01 PM (1Vobx)

249 "Take Sunday off and don't post or read or visit any social media site. "

And miss the book thread? This is as social as I get.

Posted by: freaked at November 15, 2019 07:01 PM (Tnijr)

250 The First Amendment is dead in the U.S., with the Second to follow.

Host the "wrong" website? Your host will shut you off.

You can just get a new isp. That's what everyone here tells me.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2019 07:01 PM (dEvh1)

251 Also - Alinsky was a hack and a fraud. He simply distilled Gramsci, Marcuse, and Dutschke into a punchy short-form format for American audiences, and then took credit for the ideas once he got famous.

Just a run of the mill Western commie stooge agitator. Never had an original thought.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 15, 2019 07:02 PM (LGkrj)

252 Two words: jury nullification.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 15, 2019 07:02 PM (3Z6pZ)

253 Show me a Leftist and I will show you someone just waiting for the gulags to open
Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (ZCEU2)

You are correct. They long for our incarceration and/or eradication.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 15, 2019 07:02 PM (H8QX8)

254 Moki

When Bob Dix (a terrible person but great Commissioner) was replaced by Hudgens, I knew. I saw how she operated, and it was bad.

I started convincing my wife to move. Took 8 years.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 07:02 PM (u82oZ)

255 Axeman - Have written here countless times
Show me a Leftist and I will show you someone just waiting for the gulags to open
Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (ZCEU2)
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I have a process. I have a skeptical nature. I have to reach my conclusions point by point.

However, even so, I saw the converging lines when the lefties would alternate "Hate speech isn't protected" with "So much hate on the right". "Hate speech should be suppressed because it's HATESPEECH" and "All Rush Limbaugh does is PREACH HATE!"

So, I've seen the lines coming closer for a long time. You just are never sure when they are going to converge.

Unfortunately, the same side has been isolating people from reality (it seems to me), so that they can't even be grounded against bolshevism.

Posted by: Axeman at November 15, 2019 07:03 PM (DuZls)

256 Christopher R Taylor: "You would have thought I asked people to choose which testicle to cut off."

I'm going to lay out a truthbomb here: It's the dopamine, Man.

Posted by: Jonah G at November 15, 2019 07:03 PM (6eEQ+)

257 Marcuse, who worked in the oss during the war as an analyst on germany, was a mentor to the sds at Berkeley and uc santa cruz,

Posted by: gaius martius at November 15, 2019 06:58 PM (hMlTh)

It's the lure of easy power
It's gotta very strong appeal
Perhaps you'd understand it better
Standing in my shoes

It's the ultimate enticement
It's the totalitarian's blues

Posted by: Zombie Glenn Frey at November 15, 2019 07:04 PM (BiNEL)

258 When you start persecuting people for their political and religious beliefs it's no longer "equal justice under the law". In fact it's no longer an American republic. We are in a post Constitutional world of despots and malefactors

You want to know why across the history of revolution the first people to the gallows are "judges"? Look no further.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at November 15, 2019 07:05 PM (F73W5)

259 Some good food burns twice

Come on, icecream!

Posted by: Just the Punchline at November 15, 2019 07:05 PM (Q9ugn)

260 I started convincing my wife to move. Took 8 years.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 07:02 PM (u82oZ)

Child, you are wise beyond your years!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 15, 2019 07:06 PM (BiNEL)

261 242, Been seeing it for decades. One big reason I moved my family to rural Kansas from Reston, VA.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

You sound like my husband. He wants out of NoVA, especially since the election a couple of weeks ago.
======================

Precisely what I have been saying to my wife as well. We are very close to W. VA, and I am beginning to consider that option.

Posted by: DC at November 15, 2019 07:06 PM (/TvO8)

262 Hesco Gypsy

Or tax men. Antoine Laurent Lavoisier hardest hit.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 07:07 PM (u82oZ)

263 All the wrong people are getting dead...

Posted by: Builder Berg at November 15, 2019 07:08 PM (9sE8A)

264 Axeman in the last year thete have been quite a few celebrities saying denying global warming should be jailed

Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2019 07:08 PM (ZCEU2)

265 139 you people are too smart. Who is Marcuse?
Posted by: kallisto at November 15, 2019 06:38 PM (80Uh3)

Not smart, just old. Herbert. Marxist and soulmate of Howard Zinn.

Zinn tried to get him into BU when I was there. Silber, the one-armed pirate king, prevented him.

Best thing he ever did.

Posted by: Caliban at November 15, 2019 07:08 PM (QE8X6)

266 Unless, you know, the GOP decides to take any steps at all towards stopping their electoral demographic doom via mass immigration. Bringing it up any day now would be splendid.

Posted by: KRockFM at November 15, 2019 06:59 PM (VzNZ/)

Comrade, let's not be hasty, all in good time...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 15, 2019 07:09 PM (BiNEL)

267 "Or tax men. Antoine Laurent Lavoisier hardest hit.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 15, 2019 07:07 PM (u82oZ)"

Indeed.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at November 15, 2019 07:11 PM (F73W5)

268 Nood, thanks guys for letting us know!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 15, 2019 07:11 PM (BiNEL)

269 When the cartels start murdering US judges, I don't think I'll give a fuck.

Posted by: Reality Is a Bitch at November 15, 2019 07:13 PM (2N7oZ)

270 @rickb223

Look up Cloudflare and the first site they shut off. The site never got their domain back (separate issue from Cloudflare but its host was GoDaddy, and then later stolen by Google). There's no guarantee the site's current host won't ultimately boot them either. (There's also Gab and 8chan, the latter which had to neuter its free speech policies to return, the former which only might come back under a new name and also with different speech policies.)

Assuming host providers will hold firm on protecting free speech is as shortsighted as not stopping mass immigration when the voters it imports go 70-30 against you. Or mainstream conservatism's strategies towards pretty much any of its stated goals (abortion, gay marriage, family, all complete failures). It's long past time for "get a different provider brah" to go away as a talking point.

Posted by: KRockFM at November 15, 2019 07:15 PM (VzNZ/)

271 Last.

Posted by: TxMarko at November 15, 2019 07:44 PM (Pw3eY)

272 Understand please that this "judge's" father is the son of another federal judge, a JFK appointee. He worked as a lawyer for 25 years at an SF law firm that included Supreme Court Justice Steven Breyer's brothers as a named partner (and fellow SF Federal District Judge).We are being ruled by a self-appointed hereditary aristocracy. This decision goes beyond the limits of what we should any longer give deference to; people like this Judge Orrick have breached the basic understanding of what it means to be a citizen of a democratic republic. The Democrats and their supporters and puppet-judges have brought it to this point. Time for a Revolution. Seriously, time to withdraw any deference to any Court or judge who does this.

Posted by: jamesmadison501 at November 15, 2019 09:14 PM (zd6n9)

273 Perchance is this "judge" tribe???

The tribe loves them some baby butchers!!!

Posted by: Mark Matis at November 15, 2019 10:17 PM (nZJej)

274 I have mentioned in the past that people on juries are fucking stupid.

Exhibit #258,259

Smart people are not on juries. They get excused. Lawyers can't manipulate the smart as easy.

In this case Judge is also a corrupt punk. Twofer.

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