The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

I read about this incident but didn't pay much attention. I assumed (wrongly) that it was some low-level altercation that was newsworthy only because of the high-profile relations to an American prisoner.

But it was much bigger than that, and this blog thinks it was a very big deal, and indicative of the collapse of Mexican institutions. The author has an inflated opinion of Mexico's love of liberty and freedom (especially the expats here), but his analysis is rational and chilling.

Here is the description of the battle, but go to the link for the rest...it is well worth a read.

On Mexican State Collapse

You may have read the news just a few days back: the Mexican military captured not one but two of El Chapo’s sons in the heart of Culiacán, the Sinaloan capital. One son freed himself—which is to say his entourage and retainers at hand overpowered and killed the soldiers at hand—and then, in a decisive riposte, seized the entire city center of Culiacán to compel the liberation of his brother.
The forces that emerged were in the literal sense awesome and awful. Heavy weaponry that would be familiar on any Iraqi, Syrian, or Yemeni battlefield was brought to bear. More and worse: custom-built armored vehicles, designed and built to make a Sahel-warfare technical look like an amateur’s weekend kit job, were rolled out for their combat debut. Most critically, all this hardware was manned by men with qualities the Mexican Army largely lacks: training, tactical proficiency, and motivation.
Then the coup de grace: as the Chapo sons’ forces engaged in direct combat with their own national military, kill squads went into action across Culiacán, slaughtering the families of soldiers engaged in the streets.
Cowed and overmatched—most crucially in the moral arena—the hapless band of soldiers still holding the second son finally received word from Mexico City, direct from President AMLO himself: surrender. Surrender and release the prisoner.

This does not bode well for America, but unsaid is the logical extrapolation to other countries with similar origins. There seems to be a toxic mix of Colonial Spain, indigenous people and socialism for two thousand miles south of us, and it doesn't seem to be improving. One might ask why are we importing the raw ingredients for societal breakdown and a return to a feudal state? Because that is exactly what we are doing when we do not control our borders to the south.

Is it racist to point out the failures of most Spanish colonies? Well of course it isn't. How can a fact be racist, other than in the fever-dreams of the Left?

We once kept communists and anarchists out of our country because we felt, rightly, that their brand of totalitarianism was anathema to the culture and values of The United States of America. I see nothing different in the political philosophy of much of South, Central, and a dash of North America.

Hat Tip: Clutch Cargo

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 Yo!

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 11:00 AM (qC1Sy)

2 Stuck the landing!

Woot!

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 11:01 AM (qC1Sy)

3 1st

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 24, 2019 11:01 AM (dkvcO)

4 Damn. Slow phone.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 24, 2019 11:01 AM (dkvcO)

5 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:01 AM (q80AH)

6 Meanwhile, the left wants to invite those that helped Mexico to fail into the US.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 11:02 AM (qC1Sy)

7 In near the top!

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 24, 2019 11:03 AM (NTkSq)

8 Top 10?

Posted by: Thanatopsis at October 24, 2019 11:03 AM (iwziO)

9 Willowed but fly-fishing related so here it is again.

PSA

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Posted by: Moron Robbie - why don't Democrats speak ebonics to appeal to black voters? at October 24, 2019 11:03 AM (a7+mS)

10 here we go.

Posted by: gunga din at October 24, 2019 11:03 AM (B+t5k)

11 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

12 Mexico. Shithole to the south.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

13 *checks colander face mask*

Soon.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 24, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)

14 At least Mexico is a shorter logistics chain than Afghanistan.

Posted by: henry at October 24, 2019 11:04 AM (JMDly)

15 As I said in the art thread, we're literally besieged by failed and failing states to the south of us, and a bitterly divided, non-failed (for now) state to our north. Maybe it's time for us to stop concerning ourselves with the hopelessly fucked-up ME for a while and concentrate on stopping the spread of the failure contagion in our own continent.

Posted by: DocJ at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (77WPm)

16 Mexico. Shithole to the south.
Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:04 AM

Sir! We protest!

Posted by: Shitholes everywhere at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (dkvcO)

17 13 *checks colander face mask*

Soon.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 24, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)

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What you and nurse get up to is your own business.

Not judging, or anything.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (qC1Sy)

18
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
36m
Thank you to House Republicans for being tough, smart, and understanding in detail the greatest Witch Hunt in American History. It has been going on since long before I even got Elected (the Insurance Policy!). A total Scam!

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (BqBId)

19 Any proof of cross-pollination from the ME yet?

Posted by: klaftern at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (RuIsu)

20 We're going to have to invade at some point, I don't think there's any way around it now.

That or the Cartel becomes the de jure government rather than merely the de facto government.

Posted by: leoncaruthers at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (UfRqq)

21 13 *checks colander face mask*

Soon.

Posted by: Insomniac

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Posted by: nurse ratched at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (d7Ww2)

22 Heavy weaponry that would be familiar on any Iraqi, Syrian, or Yemeni battlefield was brought to bear.

Damn sure weren't AR-15's.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:06 AM (QFqpA)

23 we used to go to Cozumel to dive at least once a year

I watched the decline in security and services first hand

don't dive there anymore

really sad - lots of good people are being hurt

this is why "kindness to the cruel becomes cruelty to the kind." we in the US enable the cartels by our "nice-nice" border policies.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 24, 2019 11:06 AM (Rarvo)

24 Early efforts in much of the Spanish colonies were towards a feudal state(not by the Crown which didn't want more nobility). For some reason the US never got many European nobles. The history actually ties into the reconquista as well, Spain had a lot of military adventurer types.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 11:06 AM (QJ8Jo)

25 I read about this incident but didn't pay much attention"

Not a surprise. The US newz was "one guy got out" - if there was any mention at all. Univision kinda blew it off, but Telemundo had good coverage. Also, the fairly distant ms mouse family member there showed up a day later - said it was absolutely horrific.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:06 AM (6qErC)

26 Damn sure weren't AR-15's.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:06 AM

Only because we got caught.

Posted by: Eric Holder at October 24, 2019 11:07 AM (dkvcO)

27 i hope we can get through this thread without the lurking poll smoker dribbling splooge all over it. although he might wait until the thread is nood'ed.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 11:07 AM (ykYG2)

28 Nancy Pelosi won't care until they torch her vineyards.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:07 AM (26lyI)

29 Spanish isn't a 'race'.

don't let the left set the agenda on this by framing it that way - ever.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 24, 2019 11:07 AM (37IEG)

30 I've seen some speculation that some of the weapons used against the Mexican military were part of the Fast & Furious scam.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:07 AM (ZLI7S)

31 "One might ask why are we importing the raw ingredients for societal breakdown and a return to a feudal state?"

It's a mystery, wrapped in enigma.

Or one could say it's Gramscian.

Posted by: G. Soros & The Rat Bastard Commies at October 24, 2019 11:07 AM (DMUuz)

32 his is why "kindness to the cruel becomes cruelty to the kind." we in the US enable the cartels by our "nice-nice" border policies.

Follow the money. There's no "nice" about it.

Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2019 11:08 AM (g0Lfb)

33 28 Nancy Pelosi won't care until they torch her vineyards.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:07 AM (26lyI)

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"Lead me not into temptation....."

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 11:08 AM (qC1Sy)

34 I think the US would be better served by making Canada a vassal state - not Mexico. We just need to have a very secure border and lock that DOWN.

It will sort itself out.

But Canada is sparsely populated and physically important strategically. Easy get.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 24, 2019 11:08 AM (Rarvo)

35 Well, at least Mexico will evolve an aristocracy built on merit. America's elite are built on farts and giggles.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (yRAFu)

36 Spanish isn't a 'race'.

Si.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (6qErC)

37 Those are the people Weasel Ass Beto expects will round up your guns.

He'll be up at the big Hacienda on the hill sipping sangria, waiting for them to report in.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (37IEG)

38 Maybe Californians can move there and straighten it out. Then they can stop moving other places and bitching that they can't get good Mexican food.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (dMR4T)

39 Posted by: Insomniac

*sneaks up behind*
*POUNCE*
*SEIZE*
*PINS *
smoooooooch!
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (d7Ww2)

How often do you two talk on the phone?

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

40 Follow the money. There's no "nice" about it.

no there really isn't but for the LIVs who buy the nonsense it's couched that way

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (Rarvo)

41 Lead me not into temptation....."
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 11:08 AM

You know the way?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (dkvcO)

42 Mix simmering anger of the defeated Aztecs, the helplessness most Mexican citizens feel, Marxist educated elites, and a power structure that thrives on graft.

What do you get?

When the mob rules

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (26lyI)

43 35 Well, at least Mexico will evolve an aristocracy built on merit. America's elite are built on farts and giggles.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (yRAFu)

=========

Those who kill well enough long enough will call themselves royalty.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (q80AH)

44 Just in passing, I've noticed something I predicted yesterday has come true (in fairness, it was not a difficult prediction to make) - ALL of the stories about Syria are disappearing from the MSM. Now that Trump has been proven correct, and all of the predictions of the Never Trumpers about chaos and mayhem have proven false, all coverage is being brought to a screeching halt.

Remember 2 days ago, when McConnell was supposedly going to have a vote of Disapproval (or something) about Trump's Syria Policy? Yeah, you're never going to hear a word about that one again, either. Doesn't support the Narrative anymore, it's gone.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (Kpl3J)

45 at least Mexico will evolve an aristocracy"

Or break down into the various states...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:10 AM (6qErC)

46 Damn sure weren't AR-15's.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:06 AM (QFqpA)

NOPE! I've been to Mexico.

Posted by: BETO!!! at October 24, 2019 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)

47 Read the content or I coulda been... a lower comment number than this one.

The War South of the Border has been raging longer than our Middle East engagements post-9/11. The savages seem to have nearly won, and that's not good for US.

Can we build walls all around Mexico? You know, the kind that close in?

Posted by: mindful webworker - in case of beer, frost glass at October 24, 2019 11:10 AM (RnSBy)

48 Their technicals were better made than the ones I saw in Somalia.

Posted by: USMC 8541 at October 24, 2019 11:10 AM (xGZ+b)

49 Are feminists going to freak out about DJT using the words witch hunt?

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at October 24, 2019 11:11 AM (Uu+Jp)

50 Those who kill well enough long enough will call themselves royalty.

This is how it usually happens, we've just forgotten. The Gods of the Copybook Headings haven't tho.

ALL of the stories about Syria are disappearing from the MSM

Yep Tom, you were right as rain as per normal.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 24, 2019 11:11 AM (Rarvo)

51 I've seen some speculation that some of the weapons used against the Mexican military were part of the Fast & Furious scam."

Not enough firepower...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:11 AM (6qErC)

52 Just Nuke Sinaloa The people there are just as guilty or scared to death to point out, Rat out Cartel members

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 11:11 AM (BqBId)

53 Mexican technicals, built with VW dos Mexico skill

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:11 AM (26lyI)

54 One might ask why are we importing the raw ingredients for societal breakdown and a return to a feudal state?

Because our elites want to adopt a Latin American political system, with a Latin American culture - the very rich, the very poor, and very little in between.

Look at California - a corrupt one party state, with the highest levels of inequality in the United States.

That is the model.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 24, 2019 11:11 AM (I2/tG)

55
*sneaks up behind*
*POUNCE*
*SEIZE*
*PINS *
smoooooooch!
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (d7Ww2)

How often do you two talk on the phone

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Not much time for talking after they get through the heavy breathing.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 24, 2019 11:11 AM (941nP)

56 ALL of the stories about Syria are disappearing from the MSM. "

Where's the whistleblowers?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:12 AM (6qErC)

57 Early efforts in much of the Spanish colonies were towards a feudal state

This is one reason I'm notso hotso about Hernan Cortes. He replaced a couple of central Mexican despotisms, which ruled by human sacrifice, with a vast slave empire, which ruled by just plain murder. The only thing saving the locals was the Church which didn't really get going there until 1531.

And then the Mexican Revolution tried to kill that too. Hence the Cristero war.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 11:12 AM (ykYG2)

58 Posted by: nurse ratched at October 24, 2019 11:05 AM (d7Ww2)

Stealth pouncing! WOOHOO!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 24, 2019 11:12 AM (NWiLs)

59 43 35 Well, at least Mexico will evolve an aristocracy built on merit. America's elite are built on farts and giggles.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (yRAFu)

Mexico is developing an aristocracy built on access to drug trade money, nothing else.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:12 AM (Kpl3J)

60 Can we build walls all around Mexico? You know, the kind that close in?
Posted by: mindful webworker - in case of beer, frost glass at October 24, 2019 11:10 AM (RnSBy)

If you make a wish for a wall, I might be able to fill it with water.

Posted by: Genie at October 24, 2019 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)

61 Can we build walls all around Mexico? You know, the kind that close in?
Posted by: mindful webworker - in case of beer, frost glass at October 24, 2019 11:10 AM

Those are reserved for Trump, along with those wheels that are coming off.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 24, 2019 11:12 AM (DMUuz)

62 There is still Aztec blood aplenty flowing through the veins of modern Meskins.

With predictable results.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (g7BLK)

63 "Mexico is a pesthole."

"You're racist!"

"No. Just pointing out facts. Facts are not racist; they simply are."

"You've been brainwashed by FoxNews!"

Etc.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (ClOmq)

64 Because our elites want to adopt a Latin American political system, with a Latin American culture - the very rich, the very poor, and very little in between."

Indeed. And they all want to believe they'll be in the "rich" part...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (6qErC)

65 My proposal: recognise the northern cartels as sovereign governments. Let "Mexico" be the Valley of that name, and they can keep the museums. Hold the warlords responsible for any harm that comes to American citizens.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (ykYG2)

66 Funny thing about 'La Raza' - bunch of Spanish speaking Aztec wannabes who are going to restore what? Spanish Mexico? Azteca?

I guess naming it 'the race' and saying it in mishmash garbled Aztec wouldn't be quite as attractive to the stupid euro descended dipshits who have signed on to help them.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (37IEG)

67

Ann Coulter: We, Too, Can Be A Failed Latin American State!

https://tinyurl.com/yydcbt5e

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (aKsyK)

68 Races are not inbred. Populations are inbred.

Posted by: klaftern at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (RuIsu)

69 yes, Fast and Furious was deliberate arming of the cartels ... and Chicago and major cities have cartels making fortunes, operating rather freely apparently, with folks like mobbed up Pelosi giving them sanctuary.

And Congress has been very intent on protecting Open Borders ... most of the border is still open, despite promises that the wall is being built ... all in the face of strong approval for border control. Congress is at war with the citizenry ... but they hide behind virtue signals about racism and fairness ... the usual lies criminals voice to excuse their mafia behavior.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (Cus5s)

70 Can we build walls all around Mexico? You know, the kind that close in?

Posted by: mindful webworker - in case of beer, frost glass

There's only one reliable way to take care of a mess like Mexico, and we aren't up for it. Probably never were at any point in my lifetime.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
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at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (AM1GF)

71 I read that. The gov't totally capitulated to the cartel. How does that work going forward, who's the boss down there now?

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at October 24, 2019 11:14 AM (X+a7J)

72 41 Lead me not into temptation....."
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 11:08 AM

You know the way?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (dkvcO)

Do you know the way to San Jose?

It's just a couple of miles up the Camino Real.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 24, 2019 11:14 AM (MwFQu)

73 >>Not enough firepower...

When they caught El Chapo they found a .50 caliber rifle amongst the armory that definitely came from F & F.

There were a total of 34 of those style rifles in the 2000 total guns sent to Mexico.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:14 AM (ZLI7S)

74 "Then the coup de grace: as the Chapo sons' forces engaged in direct combat with their own national military, kill squads went into action across Culiacán, slaughtering the families of soldiers engaged in the streets."

Extreme doxxing consequences. Coming soon to a conflict near you.

Posted by: mindful webworker - in case of blues, break out harmonica at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (RnSBy)

75 The gov't totally capitulated to the cartel. How does that work going forward, who's the boss down there now?"

And that's the million peso question. No one knows.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (6qErC)

76 Zeera, read up on pre-1916 Mexico.

So who is Pancho Villa in this go around? And who's leg will be buried?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (26lyI)

77 59 43 35 Well, at least Mexico will evolve an aristocracy built on merit. America's elite are built on farts and giggles.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (yRAFu)

Mexico is developing an aristocracy built on access to drug trade money, nothing else.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:12 AM (Kpl3J)

Access to drug trade money involves merit. Of violence.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (QJ8Jo)

78 Fake news: Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws that exist anywhere so no way those dreamy cartel people had guns of any kind.

Posted by: dingbat at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (MXaJk)

79 We once kept communists and anarchists out of our country because we
felt, rightly, that their brand of totalitarianism was anathema to the
culture and values of The United States of America. I see nothing
different in the political philosophy of much of South, Central, and a
dash of North America.

American drug markets are at fault too, but this is thought provoking

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (NVYyb)

80 And Congress has been very intent on protecting Open Borders ... most of the border is still open, despite promises that the wall is being built ... all in the face of strong approval for border control. Congress is at war with the citizenry ... but they hide behind virtue signals about racism and fairness ... the usual lies criminals voice to excuse their mafia behavior.
Posted by: illiniwek at October 24, 2019 11:13 AM (Cus5s)

You WILL be liberal, or they will import those that will kill you to make room for replacements.

Posted by: Genie at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)

81 78
Fake news: Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws that exist anywhere
so no way those dreamy cartel people had guns of any kind.

Posted by: dingbat at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (MXaJk)
Oh, they may have the laws in place. Doesn't mean people follow them. Almost like the rich and powerful here in the USA.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 24, 2019 11:16 AM (N39Ws)

82 I think the US would be better served by making Canada a vassal state - not Mexico. We just need to have a very secure border and lock that DOWN.

Justine Trudeau: America can't invade Canada because I don't have a costume for that!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 24, 2019 11:16 AM (kw5n8)

83 All this diversity will be exciting!

And yet all the helicopter parents are much more concerned about making sure their kids always wear their safety helmet and bubble wrap when they ride a bike. If they are even allowed to do that.

Posted by: Ripley at October 24, 2019 11:16 AM (MxEKc)

84 I read that. The gov't totally capitulated to the cartel. How does that work going forward, who's the boss down there now?

Seems pretty obvious. The Mexican federal government has operational control of, maybe, 30% of their own country.

Don't believe me? Maybe you'll believe them: https://bit.ly/33ZHyNu

Posted by: DocJ at October 24, 2019 11:16 AM (77WPm)

85 Time to institute a 20 mile wide DMZ, south of the border, and yes I know there are cities currently in that space.

Posted by: rammajamma at October 24, 2019 11:16 AM (xceTB)

86 All those cokeheads in Hollywood, Broadway and the music industry are funding these monsters.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 24, 2019 11:17 AM (E+OcO)

87 45 at least Mexico will evolve an aristocracy"

Or break down into the various states...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:10 AM (6qErC)

More likely even lower than that - city by city, valley by valley. Unless a government emerges that can impose central authority, power will continue to devolve. Much was made of Obrador being a socialist; but if he doesn't find a way to take control of his country after this embarrassment, then his Presidency is effectively over.

Honestly, I don't believe any democratically elected leader can fix the Mexican situation anymore. It's going to take a dictator who is willing and able to wage war on large portions of his country, and the death toll is going to be huge. *If* it happens at all, but I think devolution is more likely.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:17 AM (Kpl3J)

88 Chapo sons' forces engaged in direct combat with their own national military, kill squads went into action across Culiac�n, slaughtering the families of soldiers engaged in the streets.

This means that Obrador is a retard as far as choosing which troops fight where. If he'd sent a team of Maya up there, a northern cartel would have no reach into their families.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 11:17 AM (ykYG2)

89 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Mexican government can ask the US, or any other country for that matter, for assistance, no?

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)

90 Brace yourselves. Festivities involving Turkish proxies and Kurd militia. In areas that were, apparently, supposed to be clear of such Kurd militia under the agreement. Ooops. Also, Kurd attack on Turkish observation post near key town.

I know, hard to believe, a cease-fire involving ancient throat-slitting enemies in the ME has had some problems.

Doesn't look like general breakdown, however. Yet.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 24, 2019 11:18 AM (QDnY+)

91 So who will be Mexico's strong man who will restore order with enough brutality to break the will of the drug cartel's foot soldiers.

Killing the families of soldiers can be applied to them also. And it should.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:18 AM (26lyI)

92 Is it even the cocaine anymore, or is it Fentanyl shipped in from China?

Posted by: leoncaruthers at October 24, 2019 11:19 AM (UfRqq)

93 The Magnificent Seven was not meant as an instruction manual

Posted by: rammajamma at October 24, 2019 11:19 AM (xceTB)

94
More likely even lower than that - city by city, valley by valley. Unless a government emerges that can impose central authority, power will continue to devolve. Much was made of Obrador being a socialist; but if he doesn't find a way to take control of his country after this embarrassment, then his Presidency is effectively over.

Honestly, I don't believe any democratically elected leader can fix the Mexican situation anymore. It's going to take a dictator who is willing and able to wage war on large portions of his country, and the death toll is going to be huge. *If* it happens at all, but I think devolution is more likely.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:17 AM (Kpl3J)

The cartels have already divided the country into large regions. It's three kingsdoms Mexico time.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 11:19 AM (QJ8Jo)

95 Great reporting from Red State about Representative Katie Hill, Congressional drunk and aficionado of threesomes:

Over the course of that week, Hill told Heslep [her husband] and her female staffer that she wanted to end the throuple relationship to focus on "this important work" of impeaching President Trump.

Hey, we all have to make sacrifices to overthrow Orange Man Bad!

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 24, 2019 11:19 AM (I2/tG)

96 Heavy weaponry that would be familiar on any Iraqi, Syrian, or Yemeni battlefield was brought to bear.

Damn sure weren't AR-15's.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:06 AM (QFqpA)

If we're getting battlefield gear, i want a M249, one of those automatic grenade launchers, claymores, mortars, an Iron Dome system, and enough ammo to supply a MEU for 6 months...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 24, 2019 11:19 AM (8D42x)

97 Is it even the cocaine anymore, or is it Fentanyl shipped in from China?
Posted by: leoncaruthers at October 24, 2019 11:19 AM (UfRqq)

Cocaine?

*SNNNIIIFFFFFFFF*

Nope. Not a player anymore. No way.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at October 24, 2019 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

98 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Mexican government can ask the US, or any other country for that matter, for assistance, no?

Nobody wants the headache and besides, Obrador is a retard.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 11:20 AM (ykYG2)

99 Lead me not into temptation....."
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 11:08 AM

You know the way?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 24, 2019 11:09 AM (dkvcO)

I used to be a tour guide there...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 24, 2019 11:20 AM (8D42x)

100 The Mexican army has always been a joke. The geezers in The Villages could give them a good run for their money.

Posted by: Galil at October 24, 2019 11:20 AM (Pzzpr)

101 Mexico can ask for assistance through the Organization of American States. But pride will keep Mexico City from asking for any Gringo help until it is all a lost cause.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:20 AM (26lyI)

102 I doubt Mexico's central government will collapse anytime soon ... primarily because it'll just pull a willow tree-like maneuver of bend don't break and keep control of Mexico City and give up de facto control of whatever else it has to.

It'll just stop trying to rule assorted regions and/or reach tacit agreement with cartels about management/enforcement in disputed regions for now.

You may ask what's difference between "collapse" and loss of control of large swaths of its territory, but I just think of the present course as like a return to the Mexico of olden times with de facto highly decentralized government.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at October 24, 2019 11:21 AM (hdzef)

103 This means that Obrador is a retard as far as choosing which troops fight where. If he'd sent a team of Maya up there, a northern cartel would have no reach into their families.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 11:17 AM (ykYG2)

I note this not in approval, but simply as an observation: this is why Latin American forces usually end up reverting to masked "death squads" to go after enemies.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:21 AM (Kpl3J)

104 ... and a dash of North America.

_________

A dash? You mean, like, a punctuation mark?

Posted by: ShainS at October 24, 2019 11:21 AM (u1vxc)

105 Justine Trudeau: America can't invade Canada because I don't have a costume for that!!!

Just wave a bedsheet, you even have cultural heritage for that, Frenchy.

Posted by: henry at October 24, 2019 11:21 AM (JMDly)

106 So who will be Mexico's strong man who will restore order with enough brutality to break the will of the drug cartel's foot soldiers.

¿Quien sera nuestro El Trumpo?

Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2019 11:21 AM (DCYln)

107 102 Kinda like the gang controlled areas of LA or Chicago?

Posted by: rammajamma at October 24, 2019 11:22 AM (xceTB)

108 Glad I made my visits to Mexico when it was relatively sane.

Posted by: Emmie at October 24, 2019 11:22 AM (i/wJA)

109 Mexico can ask for assistance through the Organization of American States. But pride will keep Mexico City from asking for any Gringo help until it is all a lost cause.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:20 AM (26lyI)

"I'm not the one that just got butt fucked on national TV, Dwayne...."

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

110 Hillary's most cringeworthy moments cut together in a clip from the more conservative talk radio station in NYC.This is why she lost. Because she was horrible, tone-deaf, non empathetic candidate who is only concerned with her own power and payback.

https://tinyurl.com/yyxvn8vn

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2019 11:22 AM (WI7YS)

111 Wonder if AMLO will just loot the treasury and sashay off to Italy or Costa Rica. I'd probably do that if I was him. And a sociopath. BIRM.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 11:22 AM (ykYG2)

112 This means that Obrador is a retard as far as choosing which troops fight where. If he'd sent a team of Maya up there, a northern cartel would have no reach into their families.

He's an idiot. Many armies (like Russia's) have a rule that you don't serve in your home province.

The Soviet Kremlin Guard was largely recruited from Siberia, for example, so they wouldn't have local connections.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (I2/tG)

113 Sardanapalus in art thread, destruction of Mexican govt in monkey thread...

I am sensing a theme of "the burning times, they are here.."

Posted by: LizLem at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (hvf9s)

114 Spanish colonies have largely been miserable failures, as were French, Belgian, etc. English colonies have almost without exception been incredible successes. The only ones that were particularly troubled were ones like South Africa that were Dutch and got taken over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (KZzsI)

115 More likely even lower than that - city by city, valley by valley."

Indeed - my .02 is that's already the case. Mexico City/Puebla is one state, while to the west of there each geographical segment is already it's own "state"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (6qErC)

116 I saw posts about this on Twitter while it was happening. But I didn't read about the cartels killing the soldiers' families until this article. And it's the only article that I've seen mention it.

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (JKNZq)

117 Emmie, same here. MexCity and Matamoros. Not since 2002.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (ykYG2)

118 It'll just stop trying to rule assorted regions and/or reach tacit agreement with cartels about management/enforcement in disputed regions for now."

I think it's pretty widely acknowledged that the central government has no control at all in any of the states that border the US, they are all run by the Cartels now. Which is why it's really kind of silly for us to think we can pressure the Mexican government into doing much there. Even if they wanted to, they don't have the power.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (Kpl3J)

119 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Mexican government can ask the US, or any other country for that matter, for assistance, no?

They have an "understanding" down there that's been in place for many years.

Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (DCYln)

120 A very sobering article indeed.
It should be very widely read, but will not because of "feelings"...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (wtvvX)

121 kill squads went into action across Culiac�n, slaughtering the families of soldiers engaged in the streets.
======

Act of love.

Posted by: Yeb! at October 24, 2019 11:24 AM (vg8iE)

122 Tianamem didn't happen until Beijing imported troops.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:24 AM (26lyI)

123 Glad I made my visits to Mexico when it was relatively sane."

Si. I won't go back.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:24 AM (6qErC)

124 i hope we can get through this thread without the lurking poll smoker dribbling splooge all over it. although he might wait until the thread is nood'ed.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo

He's still a moron compadre. Kinda like Thanksgiving with the in-laws you gotta tolerate differences.

Posted by: Anonymous squirrel tribunal at October 24, 2019 11:24 AM (tvKLv)

125 >>> Justine Trudeau: America can't invade Canada because I don't have a costume for that!!!

Jokers to the north of us, villains to the south...

Here I am, stuck in the middle with you...

Posted by: LizLem at October 24, 2019 11:24 AM (hvf9s)

126 "54 One might ask why are we importing the raw ingredients for societal breakdown and a return to a feudal state?

Because our elites want to adopt a Latin American political system, with a Latin American culture - the very rich, the very poor, and very little in between.

Look at California - a corrupt one party state, with the highest levels of inequality in the United States.

That is the model.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 24, 2019 11:11 AM (I2/tG) "

Yes, this, 100%.
I don't think I would have put it so succinctly.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez-we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 24, 2019 11:25 AM (bwo3w)

127 I wonder what the US inventory of toe-poppers is? Probably not enough for the whole Mexican border.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:25 AM (26lyI)

128 I wonder what the US inventory of toe-poppers is? Probably not enough for the whole Mexican border.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:25 AM (26lyI)

I'm more and more for moats and alligators.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)

129 Not since 2002."

Really hit the fan around 05/06, and has been hot ever since. (yeah, 13 years of conflict)

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (6qErC)

130 It should be remembered that Yeb (and Hillary too) were running for Emperor of the Western Hemisphere in 2016. I can't see Yeb handling these Cartel guys too well.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (yRAFu)

131 He's still a moron compadre. Kinda like Thanksgiving with the in-laws you gotta tolerate differences.

Posted by: Anonymous squirrel tribunal at October 24, 2019 11:24 AM (tvKLv)

Pretty charitable of you. I'm pretty well convinced he's a gaslighting troll.

Posted by: DocJ at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (77WPm)

132 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
47s
The Oil Fields discussed in my speech on Turkey/Kurds yesterday were held by ISIS until the United States took them over with the help of the Kurds. We will NEVER let a reconstituted ISIS have those fields!

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (BqBId)

133 124 i hope we can get through this thread without the lurking poll smoker dribbling splooge all over it. although he might wait until the thread is nood'ed.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo

Oh... He/she/it will be here... Ras went down another point

Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (O2RFr)

134 98 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Mexican government can ask the US, or any other country for that matter, for assistance, no?

Nobody wants the headache and besides, Obrador is a retard.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 11:20 AM (ykYG2)

=========

Asking a foreign government, especially one as apparently unpopular as the US government in Mexico, for help quelling internal matters is not something most governments want to do.

It makes them look weak at the absolute best.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (q80AH)

135 106 So who will be Mexico's strong man who will restore order with enough brutality to break the will of the drug cartel's foot soldiers.

�Quien sera nuestro El Trumpo?
Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2019 11:21 AM (DCYln)

Mexico has let itself go so far, and the Cartels and other forces inside it have become so strong, that I fear that it will literally take millions of casualties - yes, millions - for anything like that to happen. Which is why I think it will just be continued devolution.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:27 AM (Kpl3J)

136 Greg Rubini @GregRubini
51s
Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi spied on Trump from their SCIF?

SCIF = Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility

COVER UP ?

@HeidiAlpine
Replying to @HeidiAlpine @realDonaldTrump
Ask why did Schiff Pelosi +Congressional chairs access spy databases from their SCIFs? They spied on Potus and had to cover up their crime by seeking out a whistleblower!!! @parscale Get those 3.1M spy search FBI datadumps!

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 11:27 AM (BqBId)

137 Guess I won't need that Sonora Only sticker on the windshield anymore.

Driving in Mexico was a hassle anyway.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 24, 2019 11:27 AM (FTlwv)

138 Yeb has a Mexican wife. He knows how to handle this.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:28 AM (yRAFu)

139 Asking a foreign government, especially one as apparently unpopular as the US government in Mexico, for help quelling internal matters is not something most governments want to do.

It makes them look weak at the absolute best.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (q80AH)

Again....."I'm not the one that got butt fucked on national TV, Dwayne."

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)

140 Spanish colonies have largely been miserable failures, as were French,
Belgian, etc. English colonies have almost without exception been
incredible successes. The only ones that were particularly troubled
were ones like South Africa that were Dutch and got taken over.
=====

CT -- I honestly think that the difference is the legal/judicial system. If based on common law, they can succeed. If based on inquisitorial, Napoleonic systems, they fail -- no matter how rich in potential resources.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 24, 2019 11:28 AM (MIKMs)

141 Weak, useless, and lapdogs of the Gringos.

No Mexican politician will sign off on that, even if el Chapo Jr has just kidnapped his whole family and is boiling them in oil.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:28 AM (26lyI)

142 A coup by any other name is still a coup.

But we've seen puppet regimes before. Used to be Krushev pulling the strings. Now it's el jeffe of the cartel.

Been this way since the 80s.

Only answer is a war and eradication.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 24, 2019 11:28 AM (h41rK)

143
I caught up on the stuff I missed y'day afternoon.

Trump's tweets about the #NTs are interesting. Something is up.

I suspect he's heard some things we don't want to hear. Like about the Senate GOP.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 24, 2019 11:29 AM (AzW6q)

144
Fake news: Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws that exist anywhere so no way those dreamy cartel people had guns of any kind.

Posted by: dingbat at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (MXaJk)

They got all of them from Indiana.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 24, 2019 11:29 AM (7rVsF)

145 The demofascists and their allies the GOPe are all for sending our military to protect Kurds and Syrians but Americans... not so much.

This is our sad reality.
Buy ammo, lots of ammo.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 24, 2019 11:29 AM (pw+jk)

146 When they caught El Chapo they found a .50 caliber rifle amongst the armory that definitely came from F & F.

There were a total of 34 of those style rifles in the 2000 total guns sent to Mexico.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:14 AM (ZLI7S)

That didn't stop Vincente Fox from fellating Gaylord at every opportunity. Mexico's government is deeply corrupt.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 11:29 AM (y7DUB)

147 Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (O2RFr)
Ras, has lost me since they shitcanned Ras himself. Don't believe for a second that drop has happened. R Internal Polling show support for Impeachment tanking 20 points

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 11:29 AM (BqBId)

148 We used to have an Army that knew how to handle hot head Mexicans and Hadjis. Does anyone know what happened to Blackjack's heirs?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:29 AM (yRAFu)

149 He's still a moron compadre.

Is he really, though?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 24, 2019 11:29 AM (KZzsI)

150 >If we're getting battlefield gear, i want a M249,
one of those automatic grenade launchers, claymores, mortars, an Iron
Dome system, and enough ammo to supply a MEU for 6 months...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 24, 2019 11:19 AM (8D42x)

I with this moron.

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 24, 2019 11:30 AM (sjdRT)

151 from other thread -

Dang, I seem to always miss the good stuff. Was he banned?
Posted by: Tami at October 24, 2019 10:49 AM (cF8AT)

No, and I think I may have conjured xim/xer this morning. My bad!

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2019 11:30 AM (DJFLF)

152 147 Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (O2RFr)
Ras, has lost me since they shitcanned Ras himself. Don't believe for a second that drop has happened. R Internal Polling show support for Impeachment tanking 20 points

Oh, I agree... find it hard to believe that those "polled" would go up and down that much

Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 11:30 AM (O2RFr)

153 As to American help - imagine American troops going in and being asked to shoot every male in between the ages of 13 and 65. Because that's probably what it would take. (It's probably what we should have done in Afghanistan)

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:31 AM (Kpl3J)

154 Katie Hill 4 Way - Kind of SFW

https://tinyurl.com/y5y3mtcd

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 11:31 AM (jYnPD)

155 Oh, I agree... find it hard to believe that those "polled" would go up and down that much
Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 11:30 AM (O2RFr)

This is about me, isn't it.

Posted by: Stormy Daniels at October 24, 2019 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)

156 Oh, I agree... find it hard to believe that those "polled" would go up and down that much
========

How else do I get my surprise at the end?

Posted by: Mayor Buttplug at October 24, 2019 11:31 AM (vg8iE)

157 Sinaloa is coming apart. There have been fights about who controls the plazas along the border (he who controls the set of crossing points in a geographic area is said to control the plaza) that have spilled over into AZ recently. Texas is very familiar with that sort of fight, but AZ/MX border has been long controlled by Sinaloa and relatively peaceful. That is coming to an end.

Mexico has a caste-like system of their own. If a male can grow a beard he is considered to have more Spanish blood and has a higher status. For women it is lighter skin and larger mammaries. Males who are darker and cannot grow facial hair are considered untermenschen and are looked down on. They have more Indian blood than European.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at October 24, 2019 11:31 AM (GvT9q)

158 They got all of them from Indiana."

Lord I can't go back there...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:31 AM (6qErC)

159 We could form a Transgender Brigade and unleash them on the Cartels.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (yRAFu)

160 Yeb has a Mexican wife. He knows how to handle this.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:28 AM (yRAFu)

The one who got caught trying to sneak some purchases past customs? I thought she was from further south.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (y7DUB)

161 Might have to deploy the Army along the border after all

Posted by: steevy at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (KNsKs)

162 A coup by any other name is still a coup.

But we've seen puppet regimes before. Used to be Krushev pulling the strings. Now it's el jeffe of the cartel.

Been this way since the 80s.

Only answer is a war and eradication.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 24, 2019 11:28 AM

****

Perhaps.
Until a thousand cartel "soldiers" (spits) show up in Brownsville, or Santa Fe, or Tucson and kill a few thousand Americans. That would of course lead to an all out invasion ala 1840's. But do we want whats left when we win?

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (axyOa)

163 The answer to this kind of thing, of course, is to kill the hostage. You want your brother back? Here's his body. You're next.

No prisoners.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (KZzsI)

164 !Jeb's wife is from Colombia.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (26lyI)

165 152 147 Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (O2RFr)
Ras, has lost me since they shitcanned Ras himself. Don't believe for a second that drop has happened. R Internal Polling show support for Impeachment tanking 20 points

Oh, I agree... find it hard to believe that those "polled" would go up and down that much
Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 11:30 AM (O2RFr)

========

The problem with trying to read so much in polls right now for the general election is that the results today simply won't matter in 13 months.

How will these results matter in terms of actual policy/electoral results?

The only way they could is if they end up convincing Democrats to actually vote on impeachment articles. Since they're obviously not going to do that, then the poll results are a curio at best.

They're not something to put too much emphasis on at all because of their extremely limited practical use.

Harping on them all the time becomes really tiresome.

Start harping on them next October, then there might some real value to the harping.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:33 AM (q80AH)

166 While I doubt Mexico will actually collapse, I wouldn't mind some nice old-style imperialistic land grabbing of if it did. Baja California has some nice beaches, for example.

If we're going to end up taking in 50% of the Mexican population as "refugees," we're going to need some extra space ... or at least that's my argument/justification.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at October 24, 2019 11:33 AM (hdzef)

167 Perhaps.
Until a thousand cartel "soldiers" (spits) show up in Brownsville, or Santa Fe, or Tucson and kill a few thousand Americans. That would of course lead to an all out invasion ala 1840's. But do we want whats left when we win?
Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (axyOa)

Keep the mineral rights. Give back the rest.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)

168 161 Might have to deploy the Army along the border after all
Posted by: steevy at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (KNsKs)

---

To do what?

Babysit?

Posted by: SMH at October 24, 2019 11:33 AM (s5Kql)

169 A poll shows El Chapo is at 62% approval.

I kid, I kid.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 11:33 AM (FiUMj)

170 For women it is lighter skin and larger mammaries.

No way!

Posted by: Males! at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (I2/tG)

171 Justine Trudeau: America can't invade Canada because I don't have a costume for that!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 24, 2019 11:16 AM (kw5n

Canada has been sensitive about that ever since we tried it back in the war of 1812. The city of Ottawa has a fantastic canal and lock system for the sole purpose of giving them access to the Great Lakes without having to go on the section of the St. Lawrence that adjoins New York.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (kUmUV)

172 Mexico has a caste-like system of their own. If a male can grow a beard he is considered to have more Spanish blood and has a higher status. For women it is lighter skin and larger mammaries. Males who are darker and cannot grow facial hair are considered untermenschen and are looked down on. They have more Indian blood than European.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert

Which is completely bass-ackwards.
European does not equal Mexican.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (QFqpA)

173 So happy we sold our condo in Puerto Vallarta in 06. What used to be 3-4 trips a year turned into not having been back since then.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (pw+jk)

174 Until a thousand cartel "soldiers" (spits) show up in Brownsville, or Santa Fe, or Tucson and kill a few thousand Americans."

Flyover, so meh. Now San Diego...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (6qErC)

175 Pancho Villa part 87, the Reboot.

Posted by: Don Q at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (NgKpN)

176 To do what?

Babysit?
Posted by: SMH at October 24, 2019 11:33 AM (s5Kql)

Shoot any muthafucka that moves.....

Posted by: NWA at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

177 !Jeb's wife is from Colombia.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (26lyI)

Thank you. I figured that awkward oaf had to travel far to find someone to like him.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (y7DUB)

178 Mexico has a caste-like system of their own. If a male can grow a beard he is considered to have more Spanish blood and has a higher status. For women it is lighter skin and larger mammaries. Males who are darker and cannot grow facial hair are considered untermenschen and are looked down on. They have more Indian blood than European.
----------------
This is true. Their Indios were not like our Indians. It takes an imagination and set of balls to escape serfdom.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (yRAFu)

179 "116 I saw posts about this on Twitter while it was happening. But I didn't read about the cartels killing the soldiers' families until this article. And it's the only article that I've seen mention it.

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 24, 2019 11:23 AM (JKNZq) "

Don't want to give anyone any ideas.

Antifa has started doing the same thing here, see the online database of Trump supporters, with maps.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez-we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 24, 2019 11:35 AM (bwo3w)

180 Might have to deploy the Army along the border after all

Posted by: steevy at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (KNsKs)

To do what? Shoot illegals crossing the Rio Grande?

The wall will help...a lot!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2019 11:35 AM (wYseH)

181 Harold Coyle. Trial by Fire.

Glendon Swarthout. The Tin Lizzie Troop.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:35 AM (26lyI)

182 !Jeb's wife is from Colombia."

I thought that was her name...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:35 AM (6qErC)

183 173
So happy we sold our condo in Puerto Vallarta in 06. What used to be 3-4
trips a year turned into not having been back since then.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (pw+jk)

The condos at the Marina were nice. I haven't been back since before that. I once looked at RE in MX, but not a chance in hell, then or especially now.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 11:35 AM (jYnPD)

184 Exhibit A why 2019 polls don't matter - at this point in his first term, the milk-chocolate messiah was where PDJT is now, within a point in either direction. He won re-election just over a year later with over 51% of the vote - or nearly 10-points higher than his "approval rating" a year earlier.

Posted by: DocJ at October 24, 2019 11:35 AM (77WPm)

185 Might have to deploy the Army along the border after all

That's the justification that some generals made for keeping horse cavalry in the 1930's - one of the Army's operational responsibilities was to patrol the Mexican border.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 24, 2019 11:36 AM (I2/tG)

186 Mexico is no longer a sovereign country, its government controls less than 1/4 of its claimed territory. The government is in a state of progressive collapse, and the entire nation is descending into rule by Narco-warlords.

If we're going to do any invading and nation building, our southern border is where it needs to be done, lest the violence and chaos which is already spread to our inner cities via the cartels and their products fester into a fatal cancer we cannot recover from.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 24, 2019 11:36 AM (J+mig)

187 Until a thousand cartel "soldiers" (spits) show up in Brownsville, or Santa Fe, or Tucson and kill a few thousand Americans. That would of course lead to an all out invasion ala 1840's. But do we want whats left when we win?
Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (axyOa)

Keep the mineral rights. Give back the rest.
Posted by: Sponge

Create a 200 mile wide buffer zone in Mexico of nuclear waste from the pacific to the gulf.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:36 AM (QFqpA)

188 Willowed but fly-fishing related so here it is again.

PSA

Amazon has some Berkeley fly rods on clearance. There's a pull down list to look through the selection.

Example: $75, 9' - 5wt - 6 pc

amazon.com/gp/product/B01IDEMGI8

========================

Thank you. Tied 11 trout flies just last night. I am right in the market for one of my sons (Christmas). I am looking for an 8' 6 weight.

Posted by: DC at October 24, 2019 11:36 AM (RZIhl)

189 Antifa has started doing the same thing here, see the online database of Trump supporters, with maps.

Yeah, that's kind of not working out how they intended. They wanted it to be intimidating "WE KNOW WHERE YOU ARE" but instead its creating community "wow there are more around me than I thought!" and probably disheartening to the left, because of how many and where they are found.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 24, 2019 11:36 AM (KZzsI)

190 The only way they could is if they end up convincing Democrats to actually vote on impeachment articles. Since they're obviously not going to do that, then the poll results are a curio at best.

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I'm guessing you're right, and hoping so. The Senate Republicans will use a trial to harm Trump as much as they can. They will lie down like old, supine dogs and let the Dems hammer away.

I doubt they'd have the nerve to remove the President. Probably. But they won't make it easy on him.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (AzW6q)

191 200 mile wide buffer zone in Mexico of nuclear waste"

And that would be different how?

/kidding. Sort of.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (6qErC)

192 We all need to take a deep breath and remember that all cultures are equal. If you object to the sound of heavy weapons fire in the morning, it says more about your racist bigotry than it does about our friends to the south.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (+y/Ru)

193
No Mexican politician will sign off on that, even if el Chapo Jr has just kidnapped his whole family and is boiling them in oil.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Cuban troops

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (aKsyK)

194 Mexico has a caste-like system of their own. If a male can grow a beard he is considered to have more Spanish blood and has a higher status. For women it is lighter skin and larger mammaries. Males who are darker and cannot grow facial hair are considered untermenschen and are looked down on. They have more Indian blood than European.

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True in every country in S. and C. America. Rich, westernized, modern white areas where the elites live, surrounded by brown shantytowns.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (FiUMj)

195 CT -- I honestly think that the difference is the legal/judicial system. If based on common law, they can succeed. If based on inquisitorial, Napoleonic systems, they fail -- no matter how rich in potential resources.
Posted by: mustbequantum at October 24, 2019 11:28 AM (MIKMs)

The best explanation I've heard is that all of the Spanish Colonies inherited a Spanish Colonial government which they never replaced, just adapted. Which meant they started off with a large, overly powerful centralized bureaucracy that micro-managed economic activity, passed out economic favors to political favorites, and viewed it's primary purpose as extracting money from a subservient populace.

We didn't used to be like that, but we're getting closer every day.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (Kpl3J)

196 We used to have an Army that knew how to handle hot head Mexicans and Hadjis. Does anyone know what happened to Blackjack's heirs?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:29 AM

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Clinton and Obama routed them out.
Still a few good ones left, but unfortunately they have been saddled with an Army that has done nothing but kick down doors for the last 20 years. An enemy motorized rifle regiment will kick a lot of ass before it gets stopped.
Plus, the few leaders we have, have reverted to the old Viet Nam scenario where a squad comes into contact and 10 minutes later there are five helos overhead all trying to tell the sergeant what to do.
Only today they are directing skirmishes from the pentagon.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (axyOa)

197 Mexico is a shithole

Posted by: Yo! at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (1XAal)

198 192
We all need to take a deep breath and remember that all cultures are
equal. If you object to the sound of heavy weapons fire in the morning,
it says more about your racist bigotry than it does about our friends
to the south.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (+y/Ru)

Harsh, but fair.
/s

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (jYnPD)

199 The Texas Rangers used to do a lot of border patrolling as well, including a few trips into Mexico to get bad guys.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (KZzsI)

200 Rich, westernized, modern white areas where the elites live, surrounded by brown shantytowns."

Favelas.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (6qErC)

201 Northern Mexico has been a failed state for some time. It is because of this observation that our Nannies thought making Mexico rick via NAFTA would fix things. So, yeah, they gutted loyal American towns and cities to make Caucasian Mexicans richer than they were already. Social Justice Engineering really sucks.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (yRAFu)

202 199 The Texas Rangers used to do a lot of border patrolling as well, including a few trips into Mexico to get bad guys.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (KZzsI)

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Should have spent more time on the field actually playing baseball.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (q80AH)

203 I thought the cartel just kidnapped the soldiers' families, not slaughtered them. Also, the armored trucks I saw in videos were not the equal to actual military trucks. That article seems to be overstating things a bit.

Posted by: Panchito Pistoles at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (4gbNJ)

204 Only today they are directing skirmishes from the pentagon.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (axyOa)

That's disheartening.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (jYnPD)

205 LOL.

Dallas talk radio. Detective in Dallas PD decides to run for Sheriff against the sitting Sheriff. The sitting Sheriff demotes the Detective, then eventually fires him for "political actions."

Dallas is a liberal shithole.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)

206 Hey, but press 1 for English ....

Posted by: Yo! at October 24, 2019 11:39 AM (1XAal)

207 OT: Morons interested in the 737 MAX should read Karl @ market-ticker.

Worth a daily read.

Posted by: DaveA at October 24, 2019 11:39 AM (FhXTo)

208 "For women it is lighter skin and larger mammaries."

okay, so they're not completely wrong.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:39 AM (Kpl3J)

209 Anti-falalafal got it from their Communist mentors.

One of the atrocities that I remember from reading up on Tet is what happened in Hue when the hard core true believing Viet Cong took control of the city.

Anyone who worked for the government or the university was murdered. In one case not only was the family murdered by the VC, they also killed the goldfish.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (26lyI)

210
Should have spent more time on the field actually playing baseball.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (q80AH)

Why? They got a new $1.2 billion stadium.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)

211 Which is completely bass-ackwards.
European does not equal Mexican.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (QFqpA)

It's Mexico, rick. Do not expect consistancy. Or logic. Think Congress writ large and you have Mexico.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (GvT9q)

212 I really don't know why the former Spanish colonies are such hot messes

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (G546f)

213 No Mexican politician will sign off on that, even if el Chapo Jr has just kidnapped his whole family and is boiling them in oil.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Cuban troops
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr

I saw that movie.

Wolverinos!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (QFqpA)

214 I had a friend in college who was from El Paso. And he had some stories of going to Juarez to party in high school. It was no big deal from how he told it, get in the car, cross the border, party, come back a couple of hours later. Typical Friday night fun.

This was 20-25 years ago. I can't fathom any American teenager stepping foot into Juarez today. Goes to show how quickly shit can change.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (FiUMj)

215 I thought the cartel just kidnapped the soldiers' families, not slaughtered them. Also, the armored trucks I saw in videos were not the equal to actual military trucks.

I see a couple of problems with your assessment of the other assessment.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (Boy/L)

216 210
Should have spent more time on the field actually playing baseball.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (q80AH)

Why? They got a new $1.2 billion stadium.
Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)

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I'm sorry. I thought the point of having a major league baseball team was to play in October, not to get giant facilities.

Now that I say it out loud, I realize how wrong I was.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (q80AH)

217 Did you guys know that polls are reality?

Posted by: Buzzion at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (xFAh/)

218 Create a 200 mile wide buffer zone in Mexico of nuclear waste from the pacific to the gulf.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:36 AM

***

I'm good with that...or at least an occupied zone fifty miles deep. And every drug dealer/carrier/pusher is shot on site.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (axyOa)

219 Katie Hill 4 Way

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I'll climb that Hill when I get to it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (+y/Ru)

220 The best explanation I've heard is that all of the Spanish Colonies inherited a Spanish Colonial government which they never replaced, just adapted. Which meant they started off with a large, overly powerful centralized bureaucracy that micro-managed economic activity, passed out economic favors to political favorites, and viewed it's primary purpose as extracting money from a subservient populace.

We didn't used to be like that, but we're getting closer every day.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (Kpl3J)

Spanish absolutism started way earlier than other European powers thanks to the royalty realizing they could seize church power and purge nobles with an Inquisition. This was used to dissolve the many local crown jurisdictions that existed in Spain and the influence is shown in what you're talking about.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (QJ8Jo)

221 OT: Morons interested in the 737 MAX should read Karl @ market-ticker.

Worth a daily read.

Posted by: DaveA at October 24, 2019 11:39 AM (FhXTo)

Used to read Denninger daily, even bought Leverage (his book, which is a great read). Lost track of him for a while when he got overtly political (thought he was in the NT camp but could be wrong about that). May have to give him a read.

Posted by: DocJ at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (77WPm)

222 Good reason to close the border. Problem is our wall isn't finished and the border is supposedly secure cuz 27,000 Mexican Soldiers. We still have calvary units, you know?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (yRAFu)

223 I'm sorry. I thought the point of having a major league baseball team was to play in October, not to get giant facilities.

Now that I say it out loud, I realize how wrong I was.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (q80AH)

Silly rabbit. Tricks are for hookers!

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (Zz0t1)

224 Plus, the few leaders we have, have reverted to the old Viet Nam scenario where a squad comes into contact and 10 minutes later there are five helos overhead all trying to tell the sergeant what to do.
Only today they are directing skirmishes from the pentagon.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:37 AM (axyOa)

They're all looking to get their Air Medals and "V" device on their end of tour Bronze Stars.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (MwFQu)

225 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:33 AM (q80AH)
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I don't know no 1 Trump voter who answers these polls, so who are the Rep. ?? NeverTrumpers & Squishes who like him when they here how good the economy is doing & don't like him when he is ORANGEMANBAD

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 11:42 AM (BqBId)

226 I'll climb that Hill when I get to it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (+y/Ru)

Better wear 4 rubbers.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:42 AM (Zz0t1)

227 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 24, 2019 11:42 AM (arJlL)

228 The best explanation I've heard is that all of the Spanish Colonies inherited a Spanish Colonial government which they never replaced, just adapted. Which meant they started off with a large, overly powerful centralized bureaucracy that micro-managed economic activity, passed out economic favors to political favorites, and viewed it's primary purpose as extracting money from a subservient populace.

This seems to be most of it, yeah. Spaniards didn't view colonization as a way to expand or better the locals, they saw it merely as a way for the powerful to become more wealthy. The entire point of their colonies was to extract wealth from the area, with at best indifference to what happened to the locals.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 24, 2019 11:42 AM (KZzsI)

229 Catholic colonies generally suck. Someone should tell the Pope this.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:42 AM (yRAFu)

230 225 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:33 AM (q80AH)
********
I don't know no 1 Trump voter who answers these polls, so who are the Rep. ?? NeverTrumpers & Squishes who like him when they here how good the economy is doing & don't like him when he is ORANGEMANBAD
Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 11:42 AM (BqBId)

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So, you're Pauline Kael, huh?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:42 AM (q80AH)

231 !Jeb's wife is from Colombia."

I thought that was her name...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:35 AM (6qErC)

Close, Columba; and she is from Mexico.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (y7DUB)

232
Anyone with military service KNOWS the solution to the problem.

I'll go no further with this, lest I be banned for speaking what is irrefutable truth.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (KATBx)

233 Ralph Peters (who unfortunately is now an insane never-Trumper) devoted a fair chunk of his novel "War in 2020" (written in 1991) to the Army having to do counterinsurgency in Mexico.

Might be prescient.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (I2/tG)

234 They're all looking to get their Air Medals and "V" device on their end of tour Bronze Stars.
Posted by: Fox2! at October 24, 2019 11:41 AM (MwFQu)

Is that how Taylor got those?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (GvT9q)

235 Morons interested in the 737 MAX

I'll boil it down: Boeing got fat, hubris-filled, greedy, and lazy.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (Boy/L)

236 I thought the cartel just kidnapped the soldiers' families, not slaughtered them. Also, the armored trucks I saw in videos were not the equal to actual military trucks."

Killed them. Brutal murders.

And they're quite a step up from African/Mid East "technicals" - armor plating, sheet armor over wheels, etc.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (6qErC)

237 Shoot any muthafucka that moves.....
Posted by: NWA at October 24, 2019 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

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lol

Yeah, right.

Like the lawyers that write up the ROEs will allow that.

Posted by: SMH at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (s5Kql)

238 I really don't know why the former Spanish colonies are such hot messes
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 24, 2019 11:40 AM (G546f)

Look at Belize. Former British colony and not a shit hole.

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 24, 2019 11:44 AM (aS1PU)

239 I had a friend in college who was from El Paso. And he had some stories of going to Juarez to party in high school. It was no big deal from how he told it, get in the car, cross the border, party, come back a couple of hours later. Typical Friday night fun.

This was 20-25 years ago. I can't fathom any American teenager stepping foot into Juarez today. Goes to show how quickly shit can change.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker

Yeah. Going over to Tijuana for the Donkey Show is right out. Unless you go with Navy SEALS.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:44 AM (QFqpA)

240 Perhaps.
Until a thousand cartel "soldiers" (spits) show up in Brownsville, or Santa Fe, or Tucson and kill a few thousand Americans. That would of course lead to an all out invasion ala 1840's.

*
*

It *should* -- but with our spineless so-called "leaders" (not Trump, I mean the Yeb or Scankles or Jugears type) in charge, I doubt it.

I've never been to Mexico. Never did I have much interest in a place where it's hot nearly all year and you have to be careful about drinking the water. Now, since my doctor has told me to avoid having foreign objects in my body, like bullets, I don't think I'll ever visit.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 24, 2019 11:44 AM (ClOmq)

241 232
Anyone with military service KNOWS the solution to the problem.

I'll go no further with this, lest I be banned for speaking what is irrefutable truth.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (KATBx)

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Yeah, we know.

It won't happen though, so never fear.

Posted by: SMH at October 24, 2019 11:44 AM (s5Kql)

242 Yeah. Going over to Tijuana for the Donkey Show is right out. Unless you go with Navy SEALS.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:44 AM (QFqpA)

Not sure I've ever really had the desire to see one of those, actually. Much less in Mexico.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

243 I knew Ralph Peters years ago from Army days.
Smart guy, I'll give him that...but I never bought any of his books cause he's such an ass.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:45 AM (axyOa)

244 >>Catholic colonies generally suck. Someone should tell the Pope this.

He knows. He's Argentinian.

South America in general is a mess. The one mostly stable and not completely corrupt government was in Chile but even it is now sinking into the abyss.

It really is a tragedy that an area so rich in resources is so messed up.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:45 AM (ZLI7S)

245 202 199 The Texas Rangers used to do a lot of border patrolling as well, including a few trips into Mexico to get bad guys.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 24, 2019 11:38 AM (KZzsI)

There's a late night show on about Texas Game Wardens, reality tv, I've caught it a few times. Entertaining and eye opening, just film of what they deal with each day. One episode featured a trip onto Lake Amisted, on the border below Del Rio, to check for poaching and other illegal activity. It detailed how *any* time the game wardens go out on the lake, they always have to have one guy with an M-16 standing watch, because people will pop up on hills near the southern banks (in Mexico) and start popping off shots at them. Not for any real reason, just because that's what they do. And when it happens, all the Wardens can do is lay down suppressing fire while they get the hell out of there.

During the filming, no shots were fired, but the cameraman zoomed a shot to the south and you could clearly see a head or two popping up and down, keeping an eye on them. That's cartel territory, the Mexican Govm't won't even try to go there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:46 AM (Kpl3J)

246 I knew Ralph Peters years ago from Army days.
Smart guy, I'll give him that...but I never bought any of his books cause he's such an ass.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:45 AM (axyOa)

.....and that man's name, was George Zip.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

247 Which is completely bass-ackwards.
European does not equal Mexican.

Watch the news, watch their TV, watch who they interview.. Spanish descendants are all you'll see. Now go to Mexico (outisde of the D.F.). All you'll see are descendants of the Aztecs and Mayans.

Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2019 11:46 AM (lK7fO)

248 Ralph Peters (who unfortunately is now an insane never-Trumper) devoted a fair chunk of his novel "War in 2020" (written in 1991) to the Army having to do counterinsurgency in Mexico.

Might be prescient.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (I2/tG)

I'm pretty sure every Army officer has thought about what might happen if/when the Mexican government collapses.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 24, 2019 11:46 AM (wCmLp)

249 We have to destroy the village to save the village. A lot of that going around these days. Lets first destroy Nanzi's and Hillary's village and then branch out.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:46 AM (yRAFu)

250 The entire point of their colonies was to extract wealth from the area, with at best indifference to what happened to the locals."

An excellent summary.

The English, OTOH, wanted to "build" a colony that could trade/market/etc.

Led to a very, very different culture.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:46 AM (6qErC)

251
Antifa has started doing the same thing here, see the online database of Trump supporters, with maps.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez-we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 24, 2019 11:35 AM (bwo3w)

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I didn't know about this... got a link?

Also: For awhile now, /pol/ has been building it's own doxx-list of Antifa members.

Both sides are gathering intel.

Heatin' up over here, boss.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 24, 2019 11:47 AM (AzW6q)

252 If we're going to do any invading and nation building, our southern border is where it needs to be done, lest the violence and chaos which is already spread to our inner cities via the cartels and their products fester into a fatal cancer we cannot recover from.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est

One of two scenarios would be relatively palatable. One would be the gov't in Mexico City (I'm reluctant to call it the "central government" at this point) requesting US military aid. This still opens up issues with who ultimately will run the areas in question, but at least it looks better. The other would be the cartels basically just making the de facto into de jure and declaring themselves governmental authorities, at which point there shouldn't be much issue with direct attacks on them, given how little respect for our borders they show. Again, even if you cleaned out the cartels, the question of who governs the affected areas still lingers, though I have the seeds of a couple of possible ideas there.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
Your ad here! 1-800-MORON-AD
at October 24, 2019 11:47 AM (AM1GF)

253 My brother and a buddy and I went on a road trip to California, see the Hearst mansion, Disney land, etc. We got to San Diego, went to the zoo and talked about what to do next. I wanted to go to Mexico, to visit another country (this was in like 1991 and would have been pretty safe). They wanted to go to... Las Vegas. I got out voted and now they regret the decision, since it was just not a very nice place.

Now I'll never go to Mexico.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 24, 2019 11:47 AM (KZzsI)

254 247 Which is completely bass-ackwards.
European does not equal Mexican.

Watch the news, watch their TV, watch who they interview.. Spanish descendants are all you'll see. Now go to Mexico (outisde of the D.F.). All you'll see are descendants of the Aztecs and Mayans.
Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2019 11:46 AM (lK7fO)

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My stepmom is Peruvian and from a wealthy Peruvian family.

They strictly maintain their Spanish heritage, harping on about their connections to famous Spanish figures in Peruvian history.

She looks like a small native woman.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:47 AM (q80AH)

255 CT -- I honestly think that the difference is the legal/judicial system. If based on common law, they can succeed. If based on inquisitorial, Napoleonic systems, they fail -- no matter how rich in potential resources.
Posted by: mustbequantum at October 24, 2019 11:28 AM (MIKMs)

Actually, Napoleon did away with religious courts and as many land-owning religious institutions as he could, increasing middle-class access to government. Look what he did in feudal Germany after the Prussian defeat. In fact, German society was so horrified at this "Enlightenment" thinking, they initiated the Counter-Enlightenment via Kant and Hegel, which resulted in Nietzsche, and Marx.

Posted by: Al Crapton at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (GlmxK)

256 Well first the US military air drops into Cartel Country whole companies of JAGs to explain things.

When that fails. Flatten everything.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (26lyI)

257 There's a late night show on about Texas Game Wardens, reality tv, I've caught it a few times. Entertaining and eye opening, just film of what they deal with each day. One episode featured a trip onto Lake Amisted, on the border below Del Rio, to check for poaching and other illegal activity. It detailed how *any* time the game wardens go out on the lake, they always have to have one guy with an M-16 standing watch, because people will pop up on hills near the southern banks (in Mexico) and start popping off shots at them. Not for any real reason, just because that's what they do. And when it happens, all the Wardens can do is lay down suppressing fire while they get the hell out of there.

During the filming, no shots were fired, but the cameraman zoomed a shot to the south and you could clearly see a head or two popping up and down, keeping an eye on them. That's cartel territory, the Mexican Govm't won't even try to go there.
Posted by: Tom Servo

You should see the boats DPS has. Would rival Vietnam PBR's.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (QFqpA)

258 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:42 AM (q80AH)
******
Just talking to them in person & on FB

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (BqBId)

259 244 >>Catholic colonies generally suck. Someone should tell the Pope this.

He knows. He's Argentinian.

South America in general is a mess. The one mostly stable and not completely corrupt government was in Chile but even it is now sinking into the abyss.

It really is a tragedy that an area so rich in resources is so messed up.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:45 AM (ZLI

Isn't he actually Italian? Yeah he's born in Argentina but aren't both his parents Italian immigrants?

Posted by: Buzzion at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (xFAh/)

260 The Peronist Pope sold out some of his lefty brethren in the past and has been working off his guilt since through his dogshit pronouncements.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (y7DUB)

261 Now go to Mexico (outisde of the D.F.). All you'll see are descendants of the Aztecs and Mayans.
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Shit T-Bird, just go to you local 7-11 and see the Mayans, Aztecs, Olmecs and Incas. They live off of Spicy Bites and Modelo beer.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (yRAFu)

262 lol Anna

Posted by: SMH at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (s5Kql)

263 Ha!

NYC Bar Assoc. calls for Barr to recuse from Ukraine investigation.

Panic is spreading.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)

264 but I never bought any of his books cause he's such an ass.

Peter's first two novels, "Red Army" and "War in 2020" were excellent. He then deteriorated.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (I2/tG)

265 259 244 >>Catholic colonies generally suck. Someone should tell the Pope this.

He knows. He's Argentinian.

South America in general is a mess. The one mostly stable and not completely corrupt government was in Chile but even it is now sinking into the abyss.

It really is a tragedy that an area so rich in resources is so messed up.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:45 AM (ZLI

Isn't he actually Italian? Yeah he's born in Argentina but aren't both his parents Italian immigrants?
Posted by: Buzzion at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (xFAh/)

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That makes me French-English, not American.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (q80AH)

266 During the filming, no shots were fired,"

One Houston newz source said that there was some sort of gunfire during one film session, but details were sparse, and the tale was buried ASAP.

Wonder why?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 11:49 AM (6qErC)

267 Would rival Vietnam PBR's.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (QFqpA)

I thought Pabst Blue Ribbon was brewed in the US?

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)

268 Douche-baggery is up 22%. It'S TwuuuuE~~!

Posted by: Lunking Lunker at October 24, 2019 11:49 AM (1Vobx)

269 235
Morons interested in the 737 MAX

I'll boil it down: Boeing got fat, hubris-filled, greedy, and lazy.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 24, 2019 11:43 AM (Boy/L)

They relocated to Chicago.

Posted by: henry at October 24, 2019 11:49 AM (JMDly)

270 Again, even if you cleaned out the cartels, the question of who governs the affected areas still lingers, though I have the seeds of a couple of possible ideas there.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Your ad here! 1-800-MORON-AD
at October 24, 2019

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*

A tiny memory stirs. Who was it who cleaned out the Mafia in his country by the simple expedient of not only killing the criminals, but their families, and deporting any other troublemakers? Was that in Sicily, or Mussolini in Italy?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 24, 2019 11:49 AM (ClOmq)

271 This just supports my position on gun confiscation in America! If we were to get these weapons of war off the streets, this could NEVER happen here! For the children! *skateboards away*

Posted by: Beto at October 24, 2019 11:50 AM (IttZ7)

272 Argentina is full of full blooded Italians.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 24, 2019 11:50 AM (QZk3y)

273 PBR - Patrol Boat Riverine

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:50 AM (26lyI)

274 we should totally close the border until Mexico gains control of their country. If they don't, militarize it and keep it sealed except for largevscsle deportations. Their criminals need to be returned.

Posted by: CN at October 24, 2019 11:50 AM (U7k5w)

275 Isn't he actually Italian? Yeah he's born in Argentina but aren't both his parents Italian immigrants?
Posted by: Buzzion at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (xFAh/)

Yes he's Italian extraction. Argentina was a major landing spot for Italian emigrants.

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2019 11:50 AM (DJFLF)

276 There's a movie on Netflix called Our Godfather. It's about an Italian mobster who turned on the mafia in the 80s and led to a bunch of convictions.

What led him to turn was a rival mafia family killed his 2 sons, in a brutal way. Tortured for days, then dissolved the bodies in acid.

And during that time Palermo was seeing 300-400 deaths a year. Which for a city the size of Palermo, 500K, is an insane amount of murders.

This stuff isn't new.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 11:50 AM (FiUMj)

277 This seems to be most of it, yeah. Spaniards didn't view colonization as a way to expand or better the locals, they saw it merely as a way for the powerful to become more wealthy.

The encomienda system doomed South America and Mexico.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 24, 2019 11:51 AM (XVuno)

278 It may not be such a great idea to declare Mexico a failed state. The UN and the next dem president will gladly force us to take the entire population as refugees.

Posted by: Panchito Pistoles at October 24, 2019 11:51 AM (4gbNJ)

279 >>Isn't he actually Italian? Yeah he's born in Argentina but aren't both his parents Italian immigrants?

Don't know. I just know that he grew up in Argentina and boy howdy is that place a mess.

I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago and the currency fluctuation was so bad they wouldn't even change my Argentinian money for dollars when I left because they couldn't peg the value of the Argentinian peso.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:51 AM (ZLI7S)

280 I've never been to Mexico. Never did I have much interest in a place where it's hot nearly all year and you have to be careful about drinking the water. Now, since my doctor has told me to avoid having foreign objects in my body, like bullets, I don't think I'll ever visit.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 24, 2019 11:44 AM (ClOmq)

I was able to spend nearly a month in Guadalajara almost 20 years ago - it was a beautiful city, sad that now I'm scared to go back. Elevation is almost the same as Denver, but it's so far south that high temperature for the YEAR is about 85 degrees, and low temperature for the YEAR is in the 40's. and it's sunny every morning, and at about 4 in the afternoon every day, it clouds up and rains for one hour lightly, and then all the clouds blow away and the stars come out. What a gorgeous place- how many troubles they have.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:51 AM (Kpl3J)

281 Again, even if you cleaned out the cartels, the question of who governs the affected areas still lingers, though I have the seeds of a couple of possible ideas there.
Posted by: Brother Cavil

I say the best option is to give the cleaned out areas a choice, once civilian government is installed. Have a good clean referendum: Join the US as a Territory, or go Independent (returning to Mexico City's control should not be an option, given their national collapse.)

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 24, 2019 11:52 AM (J+mig)

282 compare and contrast the drug cartel control of Mexico, with the DeepState control of USA. DeepState is ? largely a banking/corporate/foundation cartel imo, but with ties to the various anti-American lobbying powers that run our cities and DC. (e.g. Chicago schools on strike ... highest paid, worst skools, demanding more money from a bankrupt city in a bankrupt state)

Chicago was "outed" by Mike Royko in The Boss, yet his proteges still run Illinois, and Chicago birthed red diaper babies like Obama and Clinton. The Commies and Globalists blend into DC to hammer out deals that serve the union bosses and the "elites", serviced by the grifter Congress.

The third world invasion has been welcomed by these subversive "elite", to keep the proles busy guarding their own families. But the corruption of the skools undermine a parent's efforts on that front as well. Will a couple arrests change anything?

Posted by: illiniwek at October 24, 2019 11:52 AM (Cus5s)

283 >>Now go to Mexico (outisde of the D.F.). All you'll see are descendants of the Aztecs and Mayans.

That explains the ritual beheadings and torture killings by the cartels. It's cultural.

Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2019 11:52 AM (Gvpa/)

284
Who was it who cleaned out the Mafia in his country by the simple expedient of not only killing the criminals, but their families, and deporting any other troublemakers? Was that in Sicily, or Mussolini in Italy?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 24, 2019 11:49 AM (ClOmq)

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Uribe took the gloves in Colombia. Beat FARC and the cartels to a bloody pulp.

One of his tactics was to kidnap (excuse me, arrest) the families of a few people in middle management.

Then tell them: kill your bosses, or bring them to me. Or else.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 24, 2019 11:52 AM (AzW6q)

285 Peter's first two novels, "Red Army" and "War in 2020" were excellent. He then deteriorated.

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I enjoyed his Civil War novels.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 11:52 AM (+y/Ru)

286 Argentina is full of full blooded Italians.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 24, 2019 11:50 AM (QZk3y)

Did I ever tell you about the problem with Scotland?

Posted by: Edward I Longshanks at October 24, 2019 11:52 AM (XVuno)

287 286 Argentina is full of full blooded Italians.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 24, 2019 11:50 AM (QZk3y)

Did I ever tell you about the problem with Scotland?
Posted by: Edward I Longshanks at October 24, 2019 11:52 AM (XVuno)

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Not enough Scots?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:53 AM (q80AH)

288 278:Time to defund and deport the UN "diplomats", too. Turtle Bay can be turned into housing. Trump can sell it to his Lefrak rivals.

Posted by: CN at October 24, 2019 11:53 AM (U7k5w)

289 Judge Judy wants you to know that the only way we could heal the country is by electing Bloomberg president.

Posted by: Wut at October 24, 2019 11:53 AM (keBn8)

290 And of course the Democrats in the US hated that Colombia actually won its drug war.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:53 AM (26lyI)

291 279 >>Isn't he actually Italian? Yeah he's born in Argentina but aren't both his parents Italian immigrants?

Don't know. I just know that he grew up in Argentina and boy howdy is that place a mess."

Unlike the rest of Latin America, Argentina is mostly made up of Italian immigrants. That's why they had such strong ties to Mussolini and his northern pals during WW2. They also seemed to have inherited the Italian's ability to govern themselves.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:53 AM (Kpl3J)

292 Isn't he actually Italian? Yeah he's born in Argentina but aren't both his parents Italian immigrants?
Posted by: Buzzion at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (xFAh/)

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That makes me French-English, not American.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (q80AH)

I'm betting his family held much closer to their Italian heritage while he grew up in Argentina than your family did to French and English here in America.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 24, 2019 11:53 AM (xFAh/)

293 Real clear politics article claims the cartel: "captured and held hostage eight soldiers, then kidnapped their families."

Is there a better source that the families were killed?

Posted by: Panchito Pistoles at October 24, 2019 11:54 AM (4gbNJ)

294 But do we want whats left when we win?
Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 11:32 AM (axyOa)

I call dibs on the Yucatan!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at October 24, 2019 11:55 AM (Vy7tf)

295 277 This seems to be most of it, yeah. Spaniards didn't view colonization as a way to expand or better the locals, they saw it merely as a way for the powerful to become more wealthy.

The encomienda system doomed South America and Mexico.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 24, 2019 11:51 AM (XVuno)

If we are to talk about unsuccessful colonies, surely India should be up for discussion. What parallels are there between India and South America?

Most of South America was doing pretty well in the 19th century heading into the 20th, but collapsed badly in the 20th century with socialism. Presently they tend to struggle to move beyond being a raw resource exporter.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 11:55 AM (QJ8Jo)

296 Heaven in Europe is where the English are the policemenm the French are the cooks, the German are the mechanics, the Italians are the lovers and the Swiss organize everything

Hell in Europe is where, the German are the policemen, the English are the cooks, the French are the mechanics, the Swiss are the lovers and the Italians organize everything

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 11:55 AM (FiUMj)

297 294: Some one said to capture Mexico would be arsenic for America

Posted by: CN at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (U7k5w)

298 America needs the cartels for our meth and fentanyl addictions
Appalachia would explode without it

Posted by: Kurt at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (GHn0h)

299 What is a clutch cargo?

Posted by: clutch at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (Z3oWA)

300
Judge Judy wants you to know that the only way we could heal the country is by electing Bloomberg president.
Posted by: Wut

Judy Judy Judy

Posted by: Goober Pyle at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (aKsyK)

301 OT. I read an article on so-called "HENRY" people - "High Earner, but Not Rich Yet" in the NY Post. These are people - mostly millenials (which makes sense) - who have a high income of $100k or more but have low or no wealth.

The profiles they show are interesting. I know it is NYC and $100k there is a lot less than it would be in other places, but if the article is accurate then the big reason for high income but no wealth is behavior. The people they profile talk about living lavishly but forgoing trips, or living less lavishly in order to pay for trips.

Neither behavior gets you wealth. Living modestly *and* forgoing exotic vacations, etc. (that is, living below your means, whatever your means are - easily possible with a high income) is what allows you to accumulate wealth - unless you can truly afford to live lavishly and/or travel *while* maintaining decent savings. If not, you have to wait and let some wealth accumulate and work on your investments before living lavishly and taking the exotic trips.

It isn't fun, but it's how you get wealthy. Being affluent does not equal being wealthy - they're different things. I wonder if their parents ever told them about the distinction.

https://tinyurl.com/yyt7p7b5

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (e/H31)

302 it was Emerson

Posted by: CN at October 24, 2019 11:57 AM (U7k5w)

303 Don't know. I just know that he grew up in Argentina and boy howdy is that place a mess.

I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago and the currency fluctuation was so bad they wouldn't even change my Argentinian money for dollars when I left because they couldn't peg the value of the Argentinian peso.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:51 AM (ZLI7S)Don't know. I just know that he grew up in Argentina and boy howdy is that place a mess.

I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago and the currency fluctuation was so bad they wouldn't even change my Argentinian money for dollars when I left because they couldn't peg the value of the Argentinian peso.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:51 AM (ZLI7S)

The Argentinian peso used to be hilarious to track on the international conversion charts. You could be a millionaire for about $12.30 in the 80s.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 11:57 AM (y7DUB)

304 "There seems to be a toxic mix of Colonial Spain, indigenous people and socialism for two thousand miles south of us, and it doesn't seem to be improving."

Indeed.
Read Churchill's "History of the English Speaking Peoples" and Hannan's "Inventing Freedom".
The concepts of our Anglo-American form of government simply do not exist in the Hispanosphere, and indeed cannot due to linguistic and cultural foundations.
They do not exist in any other linguistic and cultural spheres either, but those are nearly sidenotes in regards to the problem of the Hispanosphere in the Americas.

Posted by: Sam at October 24, 2019 11:57 AM (ohyxL)

305 it was Emerson
Posted by: CN at October 24, 2019 11:57 AM (U7k5w)

In the Study, with a Candlestick.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)

306 >>Unlike the rest of Latin America, Argentina is mostly made up of Italian immigrants. That's why they had such strong ties to Mussolini and his northern pals during WW2. They also seemed to have inherited the Italian's ability to govern themselves.

One of the more fascinating and beautiful places in South America is the Lake District in southern Chile. There is some Italian overflow from Argentina but it is largely German.

In the early 20th century Chile was desperate for immigrants so they started recruiting German immigrants and giving them generous benefits including free land. There are whole towns down there that look like they were imported from Bavaria.

Oh and Brazil is Portuguese. Treaty of Tordesillas.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (ZLI7S)

307 Fuck off, Kurt.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (+EMYa)

308 299: a cartoon pilot with his pals Spinner and Paddlefoot

Posted by: CN at October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (U7k5w)

309 Fucking iPad!

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (y7DUB)

310 1848 the US actually controlled all of Mexico. Then in order for the US to give back half their country, we had to put a gun to the Mexican leadership to sign.

And the Mexicans have never forgotten that.

Which is really why they will never ask for Gringo help until it is too late.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (26lyI)

311 FOAD, Kurt. Please. For the good of humanity.

Fucking bigot.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (vg8iE)

312 298 America needs the cartels for our meth and fentanyl addictions
Appalachia would explode without it
Posted by: Kurt at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (GHn0h)

___

What if I told you ultra blue states MA, MD and DE were in the top 10 states with opioid addictions?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (FiUMj)

313 299 What is a clutch cargo?
Posted by: clutch at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (Z3oWA)

He's a friend of Spinner and Paddlefoot

Posted by: FloridaMan at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (B8eTP)

314 It isn't fun, but it's how you get wealthy. Being affluent does not equal being wealthy - they're different things. I wonder if their parents ever told them about the distinction.

https://tinyurl.com/yyt7p7b5
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (e/H31)

Most of their parents aren't any better. Bigger houses, nice toys, vacations to keep up with the Joneses. Retirement planning? What's that?

Add in social media which becomes an arms race of "how can I make my life look better than everyone else?" and you get the current situation.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (wCmLp)

315 Hillary Clinton's Clit is 22% bigger today~!

Posted by: Lunking Lunker at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (1Vobx)

316 Kurt, stop free-basing octopus ink...

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (26lyI)

317 A tiny memory stirs. Who was it who cleaned out the Mafia in his country by the simple expedient of not only killing the criminals, but their families, and deporting any other troublemakers? Was that in Sicily, or Mussolini in Italy?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 24, 2019 11:49 AM (ClOmq)

That was Kaiser Soze

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (jp0Bv)

318 She looks like a small native woman.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:47 AM (q80AH)

It's interesting, a workmate is half Guatamalen, his father is an American doctor who spent some time there, she's very upper class. I've met her - she looks like an Italian movie star, I see why his dad grabbed her!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (Kpl3J)

319 Rep. Ilhan Omar@Ilhan
A nine month old died as a direct result of Trump's cuts to Medicaid and CHIP.

He is one of a million children to lose healthcare.

Let that sink in.

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And she's right! Except for the part about the baby being dead.

https://bit.ly/365Sbjt

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (+y/Ru)

320 Massachusetts ranked among the top ten states with the highest rates of drug overdose deaths involving opioids. In 2017, there were 1913 drug overdose deaths involving opioids in Massachusetts - a rate of 28.2 deaths per 100,000 persons

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 12:00 PM (FiUMj)

321 http://bit.ly/2JjKNrg
*******
CNN Writer Called Benghazi Hearings the 'Lynching' of Hillary Clinton

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 12:00 PM (BqBId)

322 Hillary Clinton's Clit is 22% bigger today~!

Posted by: Lunking Lunker at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (1Vobx)

We deem this fake but accurate

Posted by: cbs snuuz at October 24, 2019 12:00 PM (vqIkG)

323 Fun fact: Howard Hughes left Las Vegas because of the influence the mafia was having on his properties there. He began developing Cancun as a new casino playground and was flying to Houston for medical reasons when he died en route from there.

Almost 20 years ago we did a week at an all inclusive resort on Cozumel. That came about three months after we had spent a week in Hawai'i.

Mexico had beaches as nice as Maui, had way friendlier people and the cost and ease of travel made it by far the better deal.

I don't think I've been to Mexico since.

Posted by: DanMan at October 24, 2019 12:01 PM (XTiHL)

324 A nine month old died as a direct result of Trump's cuts to Medicaid and CHIP.
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Total fucking lie. Total fucking lie.

Even if Medicaid and CHIP were GONE today, 1. ER's MUST treat. By law.

2. There are NUMEROUS fucking charities that provide health care to the pooooooooooor.

Fuck that fucking adulterous, lying whore. I hope she literally DIAF.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 24, 2019 12:01 PM (vg8iE)

325 One of these days Ilhan, your headscarf will strangle you

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 12:02 PM (26lyI)

326 320 Massachusetts ranked among the top ten states with the highest rates of drug overdose deaths involving opioids. In 2017, there were 1913 drug overdose deaths involving opioids in Massachusetts - a rate of 28.2 deaths per 100,000 persons

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And what, exactly, does this have to do with cartel violence in Mexico?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 24, 2019 12:03 PM (ClOmq)

327 1848 the US actually controlled all of Mexico. Then in order for the US to give back half their country, we had to put a gun to the Mexican leadership to sign.

And the Mexicans have never forgotten that.

Which is really why they will never ask for Gringo help until it is too late.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (26lyI)

Well, Texas has already been independent for 10 years, and the California territory (then including Nevada and parts of Arizona) rebelled at the outset of the war and joined the USA. They were never going to get either back, short of total victory.

What we did with the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo was basically firm up the border to eliminate disputes, and give them the equivalent of 400 billion of today's dollars in exchange for AZ, NM, UT, and CO, which were largely undeveloped at the time.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 24, 2019 12:03 PM (J+mig)

328 If all hell breaks out in Mexico I have room to offer Yanet Garcia safe quarters.

Posted by: Galil at October 24, 2019 12:03 PM (Pzzpr)

329 DC had more opioid deaths than Kentucky. Must be all the hillbillies in DC.

Posted by: NCKate at October 24, 2019 12:03 PM (rx1QH)

330 301
OT. I read an article on so-called "HENRY" people - "High Earner, but
Not Rich Yet" in the NY Post. These are people - mostly millenials
(which makes sense) - who have a high income of $100k or more but have
low or no wealth.

The profiles they show are interesting. I know it is NYC and $100k
there is a lot less than it would be in other places, but if the article
is accurate then the big reason for high income but no wealth is
behavior. The people they profile talk about living lavishly but
forgoing trips, or living less lavishly in order to pay for trips.

Neither behavior gets you wealth. Living modestly *and* forgoing
exotic vacations, etc. (that is, living below your means, whatever your
means are - easily possible with a high income) is what allows you to
accumulate wealth - unless you can truly afford to live lavishly and/or
travel *while* maintaining decent savings. If not, you have to wait and
let some wealth accumulate and work on your investments before living
lavishly and taking the exotic trips.

It isn't fun, but it's how you get wealthy. Being affluent does not
equal being wealthy - they're different things. I wonder if their
parents ever told them about the distinction.

https://tinyurl.com/yyt7p7b5

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (e/H31)

This can be supplemented by the statistic of how many people have more than $1,000 in the bank. 57% of people have less than that in savings.
According to a survey:
$0 saved: 39 percent
Less than $1,000 saved: 18 percent
$1,000 to $4,999 saved: 12 percent
$5,000 to $9,999 saved: 6 percent
$10,000 or more saved: 25 percent

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 24, 2019 12:03 PM (N39Ws)

331 And what, exactly, does this have to do with cartel violence in Mexico?
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Rebuttal to Kurt's bullshit.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 24, 2019 12:03 PM (vg8iE)

332 Fuck that fucking adulterous, lying whore. I hope she literally DIAF.

I live in the country. I don't know what DIAF means.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 24, 2019 12:03 PM (Uu+Jp)

333 If kidnapping families starts happening here, the American people will be ready to murder anyone who likes tacos too much, never mind sponsors illegal immigrants. Death squads won't just stalk the streets, they'll run local government. Antifa in Portland, the military in sane states. It'll make Birth of a Nation look like Sesame Street.

Posted by: trev006 at October 24, 2019 12:04 PM (Zp6dW)

334 DIAF - "dies in a fire," "die in a fire"

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 24, 2019 12:04 PM (vg8iE)

335 Noodus drunken dollymop

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 24, 2019 12:04 PM (ClOmq)

336 Add in social media which becomes an arms race of "how can I make my life look better than everyone else?" and you get the current situation.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (wCmLp)
++++++++++++
That one is called explicitly - "Keeping up with the Jonses" has become a nationwide affair.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 12:05 PM (e/H31)

337 334 DIAF - "dies in a fire," "die in a fire"
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 24, 2019 12:04 PM (vg8iE)

Thanks.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 24, 2019 12:05 PM (Uu+Jp)

338 Die In A Fire

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 24, 2019 12:05 PM (+EMYa)

339 Pretty charitable of you. I'm pretty well convinced he's a gaslighting troll.
Posted by: DocJ

Yea. About the time I hit 29 I started carrying a few grains of salt in my pocket. Raimondo or Kurt he is not.

Posted by: Anonymous squirrel tribunal at October 24, 2019 12:05 PM (tvKLv)

340 Ukraine Joe's latest ad is tough!

https://bit.ly/361PsaW

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 12:05 PM (+y/Ru)

341 I wish we'd stop referring to $100K as rich. It's been the threshold for "upper income" for 25 years. Inflation has eaten away at that amount. It's now middle class and even lower middle class in places like NYC.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 12:06 PM (FiUMj)

342 Asking a foreign government, especially one as apparently unpopular as the US government in Mexico, for help quelling internal matters is not something most governments want to do.

It makes them look weak at the absolute best.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 11:26 AM (q80AH)

And surrendering to the cartels doesn't? It's like the old punchline -- We've already established what you are, now we are just negotiating the price.

As an aside, with the cartels running the illegal alien smuggling business into the US, I wonder how much cartel money winds up in the pockets of our pro open borders politicos?

Maybe we can set up a GoFundMe to buy a couple of Senators.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 24, 2019 12:06 PM (Z4rgH)

343 299 What is a clutch cargo?

Posted by: clutch at October 24, 2019 11:56 AM (Z3oWA)

He's a friend of Spinner and Paddlefoot

Posted by: FloridaMan at October 24, 2019 11:59 AM (B8eTP)
Mostly lurker occasional commenter since 2006ish or whenever i finally got banned from LGF.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 24, 2019 12:06 PM (Z1ykJ)

344 Panic is spreading.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)

Yep. It is palpable.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 12:07 PM (jYnPD)

345 Heh. Sorry I missed the Death by Orgy art thread. I expect that it was salty.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 24, 2019 12:07 PM (U7Mh9)

346 34
I think the US would be better served by making Canada a vassal state -
not Mexico. We just need to have a very secure border and lock that
DOWN.

It will sort itself out.

But Canada is sparsely populated and physically important strategically. Easy get.

Posted by: BlackOrchid

Before Obama left we were thinking of invading you. Easy get.
Canada has a built in advantage in that we get engaged in the really big wars several years before the US does. You do catch up quick tho.

Posted by: dirks strewn at October 24, 2019 12:07 PM (/Fmtj)

347 Unlike the rest of Latin America, Argentina is mostly made up of Italian immigrants.

I learned that as a kid working in the opening crew of misfits that opened 'Antonio's Flying Pizza' in Houston. Here I was a Texas kid hearing Sicilian Italian, thick New York, and latin by Argentinians. That place was a New York bistro when it opened.

Posted by: DanMan at October 24, 2019 12:07 PM (XTiHL)

348 All I know is that part of the cost of my cigars goes to CHIP. So fuck off.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at October 24, 2019 12:08 PM (gdGaA)

349 Bing Texas DPS River Patrol Boats

Three 300 hp engines. Twin 50's up front.
7.62 belt fed SAW's on the sides.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 12:08 PM (QFqpA)

350 Mexico's preznit should just surrender himself. Those poor soldiers he ordered to surrender won't be spared.

That country's whole fucking government is infested with cartel minions and subsidized by cartel money.

It's just a damn shame that Mexican can't own weapons to defend themselves.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 24, 2019 12:09 PM (Tf125)

351 So who is Pancho Villa in this go around? And who's leg will be buried?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2019 11:15 AM (26lyI)

There is an answer for this. Mexico needs to (be forced to, heh) create a Foreign Legion to exterminate the cartels. This force would be "nominally" under the control of the President of Mexico, but would be financed, armed, and mostly manned by the USA. No reason that Canadians and Brits and others who are veterans of the Afstan War couldn't join up. Rules of engagement: win, at all costs; try to avoid raping women and children.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 24, 2019 12:09 PM (QugKX)

352 Can we put Ann Coulter inside a wall like the Poe story? I want her complaints that none is being built to be muffled by brick and mortar.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 24, 2019 12:11 PM (Yur3k)

353 All those cokeheads in Hollywood, Broadway and the music industry are funding these monsters.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 24, 2019 11:17 AM (E+OcO)

So is the U.S. taxpayer. Congress grants aid to Ukraine, Ukrainian gas company hires Hunter Biden for a huge-salaried do-nothing job, Biden buys cocaine.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 24, 2019 12:13 PM (QugKX)

354 Mostly lurker occasional commenter since 2006ish or whenever i finally got banned from LGF.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 24, 2019 12:06 PM (Z1ykJ)
Glad you're here. You have to be as old as dirt (like me) to know about the Clutch Cargo cartoons.

Posted by: FloridaMan at October 24, 2019 12:16 PM (B8eTP)

355 Mexico's preznit should just surrender himself. Those poor soldiers he ordered to surrender won't be spared.

That country's whole fucking government is infested with cartel minions and subsidized by cartel money.

It's just a damn shame that Mexican can't own weapons to defend themselves.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 24, 2019 12:09 PM (Tf125)

If it weren't for the fact that there are plenty of George Soroses ready - and traitors in the US ready - to sell nukes to the cartels, now would be a good time for the Mexican president to order one of the cartel's headquarters to be nuked, with more to follow.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2019 12:17 PM (Ki5SV)

356 There is an answer for this. Mexico needs to (be forced to, heh) create a Foreign Legion to exterminate the cartels. This force would be "nominally" under the control of the President of Mexico, but would be financed, armed, and mostly manned by the USA.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 24, 2019 12:09 PM (QugKX)

How about a really strong border force instead of getting the USA into what will be a civil war? Problem of telling the good guys from bad -- no uniforms

Posted by: FloridaMan at October 24, 2019 12:20 PM (B8eTP)

357 Mexico should just kill El Chapo's spawn and everyone else involved in that

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 12:21 PM (NFEMn)

358 Importing the ideology of Socialistas is deliberate - a ready-made populace who is accustomed to oppression and revolution, to bring it into our country as if we had no mechanisms for peaceful change. And when our miseducated youth see agitators in the street, instead of following our system, they assume our system is broken, when it is simply ignored.

Posted by: Crowley at October 24, 2019 12:25 PM (qsj+A)

359 352 Can we put Ann Coulter inside a wall like the Poe story? I want her complaints that none is being built to be muffled by brick and mortar.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 24, 2019 12:11 PM (Yur3k)

Do we leave her a cask of Amontillado?

Posted by: Fox2! at October 24, 2019 12:27 PM (MwFQu)

360 359
352 Can we put Ann Coulter inside a wall like the Poe story? I want her
complaints that none is being built to be muffled by brick and mortar.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 24, 2019 12:11 PM (Yur3k)

Do we leave her a cask of Amontillado?

Posted by: Fox2! at October 24, 2019 12:27 PM (MwFQu)

For the love of God, Montresor!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at October 24, 2019 12:37 PM (IttZ7)

361 Fun fact: Howard Hughes left Las Vegas because of the influence the mafia was having on his properties there. He began developing Cancun as a new casino playground and was flying to Houston for medical reasons when he died en route from there.

Almost 20 years ago we did a week at an all inclusive resort on Cozumel. That came about three months after we had spent a week in Hawai'i.

Mexico had beaches as nice as Maui, had way friendlier people and the cost and ease of travel made it by far the better deal.

I don't think I've been to Mexico since.
Posted by: DanMan at October 24, 2019 12:01 PM (XTiHL)

I thought Howard Hughes died in his penthouse suite at the Bayshore Inn in Vancouver, B.C. He was resident there for quite a long spell.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 24, 2019 12:44 PM (QugKX)

362 Mexico has extreme gun control laws. so the law abiding are defenseless and criminals have all the weapons they can use/carry. Democrat plan: feed the chaos and keep the border open for all refugees from chaos. Republican plan: play tweedle dee and tweedle do

Posted by: 2nd hand whistleblower at October 24, 2019 12:58 PM (0hOKG)

363 Authoritarian Anarchy? Do you know what anarchy means? Anarchy is the far right pole of the political spectrum. Nobody on the American right is advocating for anarchy. Everyone on the left is advocating for tyranny.

Posted by: Fish at October 24, 2019 02:56 PM (g5ddn)

364 The problem isn't Mexico. It's us and the way we praise drug culture all the while fighting a war on drugs. We're the problem. This makes me wonder what the effect prohibition had upon Canada.

Posted by: DFCtomm at October 24, 2019 05:27 PM (50gG9)

365 For a different and more hopeful view, from my vantage point WAAAYYY down where no one will see this comment

See Quite Frankly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExzHwEczkoc

Jeffrey Peterson -- who talks a lot about AZ Mafia, used to have a business in Mexico, was a Democrat bundler -- sees release of Chapo son as GOOD... because normally there's coordination between president and cartels. The friction here shows that MAYBE this president is not partnering with cartels.

Also, their troops on border aren't just to please Trump...
and it's another sign of fighting cartels. Makes sense.

Posted by: Josco at October 24, 2019 05:51 PM (l9Soe)

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