Gun Thread: Buy Ammo [Weasel]

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Bountiful Supply!

We spend a lot of time discussing shooting here on the ol' Gun Thread. In fact, if it wasn't for shooting, we'd be stuck talking about h8, or social awareness, or even the horrors of climate change. What we haven't covered is how much we have of what we are shooting. Lets take a peek below and find out exactly what the ever-loving hell I'm talking about, shall we?

What am I talking about? Well I'm glad you asked!

Buy Ammo
All of the talk about practice and shooting techniques doesn't amount to much if you don't have the ammunition to shoot. A long time ago, I think it's been two or three big 'scares' ago now, I decided to keep on hand a basic supply in every caliber I own. Then I started reloading and buying components in bulk. Now I have very little room left in the basement, much to WeaselWoman's annoyance, but that's a different problem. Some states or localities may have restrictions on the amount you can store at home, but for now, my state does not. Be aware of any such restrictions and decide how to proceed in your own particular situation. Today I'm very comfortable knowing the next time ammo is scarce I will not be caught short-handed.

What had happened is early in my obsession with guns and shooting I was buying ammo at the range or sporting goods stores as needed, and that meant maybe 100 or 200 rounds at a time. As my firearm collection grew to include many different calibers, this just simply wasn't a good solution anymore. It was also mildly retarded, even when buying for just one caliber, because I was at the mercy of the retailer and limited to whatever was on the shelf at the time. One day I went to the store and there wasn't anything on the shelf. Sad and dejected I went home, sobbed into my pillow, and waited for the supply to catch back up with demand.

I don't recall hearing about an ammo shortage for a while now, and that's mainly because I don't really pay too much attention anymore. One of my shooting pals has never seemed to really grasp the idea of stocking up, even a little bit, and is constantly running out of ammo even absent a shortage. I think he keeps a magazine or two of self-defense ammunition in reserve, but for long periods when ammo was hard to find he could never go shooting. Eventually though, the ammo he needed would reappear on the shelves and he'd be good to go again.

But what if the ammo shortage never resolved itself? What if it was never coming back? What do you have on hand right now, today, if the trucks were to stop delivering ammo? Are you comfortable with that answer?

The reasons for the shortages of the past generally had to do with a politician saying or doing something stupid to upset the markets. All of a sudden everyone would run out to the store and buy what they could and we had an instant supply shortage. Since the current administration is gun friendly, times are good right now, but believe me when I say it's not going to last forever. Every single challenger to our beloved President Trump really does mean to restrict or eliminate altogether your rights under the 2nd Amendment. Think I'm kidding? Just listen to what they have to say on the matter, and don't for a minute think they don't mean it.

Do I think our current social and political situation will continue to deteriorate? Your guess is as good as mine, but let's just say I don't think it's going to get better. Do I think it will descend into open warfare and street fighting where I'm going through thousands of rounds of ammunition saving democracy? Probably not, but I'm not betting against that, either. Who the hell knows? Given the uncertainty, what I can do is simply be prepared for the possibility that the supply will someday dry up and what I have on-hand is all I'm going to get.

If you couldn't buy ammo starting tomorrow, realistically how much would you want to have on-hand?

Do you have it?

Stocking Up
If what you think you need is greater than what you have, then now is the time to start doing domething about it. If you have decided you need to stock up, and have developed some idea how much you should realistically have around, how do you go about it? Well, there are are a couple of ways; a little at a time, or a lot at once.

Buying at Retail - this is fine if really necessary and you're in a pinch, but unless you find a big sale you're probably paying a premium. The upside is you're not paying for shipping so in many cases it might not be the end of the world. Do the math - shipping a thousand rounds of ammo can cost $25 in freight alone.

Gun Shows - Ammo sellers are usually well represented especially at larger shows. My experience, however, is the prices are often no better than regular retail. Again, you won't pay for shipping, but don't expect a great deal price-wise. I think gun shows can be a fun place to look around and rarely offer a bargain on much of anything, but you can pay with cash.

Online Sales - this is where you can sometimes get a good deal and buy in bulk. Again, the key to shopping is to stay ahead of the demand curve. When the rest of the shooters in the world are panicking, you typically aren't going to find great deals online either, so plan ahead. There are a gazillion places online to shop for ammo, and I link them regularly here. Ammoseek is an online search tool including fairly real-time pricing and is an excellent tool. Georgia Arms, Palmetto State Armory and SG Ammo are a few online sellers just off the top of my head. Subscribe to their mailing lists and wait for sales. Since many of these sellers have little or no overhead, prices can be attractive compared to stores. When you find a good discount or especially a free shipping offer it's time to get out the credit card.

So now you have a pile of ammo - will it go bad on the shelf and be a big waste of monry? The short answer is No. Stored properly, newly purchased modern cartridges are probably not going to go bad in your lifetime. I regularly shoot surplus ammo made nearly 70 years ago and it still works just fine. I have no idea how it was kept before I got it, and I have never had a problem. What is proper storage? Simply store ammunition in a cool, dry place and above all, avoid high humidity and wide variations in temperature. That's it. I would not store large quantities of ammunition in a gun safe or any tightly confined space in case of fire. A cartridge box in your closet will be just fine. Keep in mind though, this is for ammunition made today. What if later the propellants are altered to degrade over time as a deterrent to stockpiling? I'm not a chemist, but cannot imagine that would be a hard thing to do.

I hope this gives you something to think about. Have a conversation with yourself and realistically assess where you are and where you think you need to be, and act accordingly. If necessary, concentrate on ammunition for the one or two guns you're likely to use most. Things are quiet now but that probably will not always be the case.

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Link-O-Rama

Skilled Survival: Ammo Storage
PewPew Tactical: Ammo Storage
U.S. Concealed Carry: Ammo Storage
AmmunitionStore: Ammo Storage
Gun Pros: How Long Does Ammo Last
Active Response Training: Old Ammo

You get the idea.

***Mail Bag***

Once again, our pal Neon Madman delivers the mail!

In the blackpowder rimfire cartridge days, .32 was a very popular caliber and quite a few brands of rifles and pistols were chambered for them. The .32 Long was probably the most common, originally used in the Smith & Wesson New Model 2 revolver, and later in many other rifles and pistols. Although now these are all obsolete in the US, per Cartridges of the World, Navy Arms had a run of .32 Long made in Brazil in 1990.

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(l-r): .32 Extra Short, .32 Short, .32 Long, .32 Extra Long, .32 Long shotshell, .32 Short shotshell, .32 Short blank.

Am I the only one who finds these fascinating? Thank You Neon Madman!


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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?


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1 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at October 13, 2019 07:00 PM (yQpMk)

2 Still haven't gotten out, but did cast some musket balls yesterday I now want to try out. So need to bug my co-workers to see if I can go up to their place soon.

Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2019 07:03 PM (ZCEU2)

3

Pics Of My Stash could be the next Pet Thread!

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 13, 2019 07:04 PM (jL0DI)

4 th

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2019 07:04 PM (z79tQ)

5 I've had a good experience with buying at gun shows. A number of retailers are competitive with online and if you count shipping (which you must) you break about even.
In fact, I've found some sellers undercut the online stores because they came upon a batch and want to turn it around quickly.

I go to each show with an ammo budget above and beyond any purchases.

I also keep a reserve that is only for emergencies.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:05 PM (cfSRQ)

6 That time already?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at October 13, 2019 07:05 PM (J6P5a)

7 ZOD RETICLE.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:06 PM (hgpSN)

8 The price of ammo is inversely proportional to how popular it is. Want to shoot 9MM? Cheap. Want some 32-20 Winchester? Expect to pay out the butt.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:06 PM (yQpMk)

9 Haven't been to the range because Husband and self just got back from ten days in Virginia. Hope to go next weekend, though.
I have a 20-ga Mossberg, a home-defense weapon with which I also shoot trap because hey, I've got this shotgun, might as well practice with it. The range only allows 7 1/2, 8 and 9, but I also have a couple of boxes of 4 which I bought by mistake some years ago. So I'm saving those for any baddies who might try to break into my house.
Up 'til now I've been buying my shells at Walmart, but am thinking of ordering bulk from some place like Lucky Gunner.

Posted by: Annalucia at October 13, 2019 07:06 PM (S6ArX)

10 Weasel- Did you see the story of the little girl who literally was arrested for owning a finger gun?
The anti gun madness has jumped the shark.

Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2019 07:06 PM (ZCEU2)

11 I will add that I don't maintain a deep reserve for the historical/fun guns because in a crisis, I'm not going to pull out my famously defective Dreyse M1907 and use it in a gun fight.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:06 PM (cfSRQ)

12 *files missing ammo report*

.32 ACP

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2019 07:07 PM (plu6+)

13 >>I also keep a reserve that is only for emergencies.Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:05 PM (cfSRQ)

Different strokes for different folks. Zod keeps only enough in reserve to kill someone else who keeps ammunition in reserve.

So he can, umm, take their reserve.

Is math kind of thing.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:08 PM (hgpSN)

14 Here is an interesting sale on AR mags. Cammenga Easymag.

I think this would be a great idea for the range but I wouldn't bet my life on them.

http://bit.ly/2os7qCB

I bought half a dozen for Christmas gifts.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:09 PM (yQpMk)

15 10 Weasel- Did you see the story of the little girl who literally was arrested for owning a finger gun?
The anti gun madness has jumped the shark.

Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2019 07:06 PM (ZCEU2)
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I did not. They really seem to be outdoing each other, don't they? It's only a matter of time, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

16 Ammo prices right now are cheaper than reloading! Buy low!

Posted by: Doc Samson at October 13, 2019 07:09 PM (ZZtOH)

17 Ammoman dot com offers free shipping on orders over $100.

It is not hard to go over $100 on an ammo order. And they ship very fast.

I have no affiliation with this seller.

Posted by: Pete Polarek at October 13, 2019 07:09 PM (C1NyB)

18 Ammoman dot com offers free shipping on orders over $100.

It is not hard to go over $100 on an ammo order. And they ship very fast.

I have no affiliation with this seller.

Posted by: Pete Polarek at October 13, 2019 07:09 PM (C1NyB)
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I've bought a bunch of ammo from Ammoman over the years. Never a problem.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

19 Different strokes for different folks. Zod keeps only enough in reserve to kill someone else who keeps ammunition in reserve.



So he can, umm, take their reserve.



Is math kind of thing.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:08 PM (hgpSN)

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That sounds singularly dangerous. Especially since the person you're going after by definition can outlast you in a prolonged gunfight.

And then eat you.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:11 PM (cfSRQ)

20 Weasel
I'd mentioned it on an earlier gun thread but no one took notice.
I ran across, at a gun show, some .38/70 ammo. Looked like rifle or carbine cartridges but I've never heard of it before.
Has anyone here?

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at October 13, 2019 07:11 PM (Tt761)

21 Hello Horde!

As I mentioned last night, the 6th(!) Annual SW Ohio MoMe was a smashing success, and this year we added a pre-MoMe trip to a range. I had previously promised Weasel a range report, and that will be forthcoming, but for the nonce let me say that you should NEVER mess with a dead Moron: before yesterday, buzzion had never fired a weapon IRL, and his performance was LEGENDARY.

Special Thanks to Alton Jackson who drove all the way from Michigan to grace us with his presence and expertise.

Aside: I'll post a MIL update on the ONT (Spoiler Alert: things are NOT good).

Posted by: ibguy at October 13, 2019 07:12 PM (EHVbt)

22 Weasel
I'd mentioned it on an earlier gun thread but no one took notice.
I ran across, at a gun show, some .38/70 ammo. Looked like rifle or carbine cartridges but I've never heard of it before.
Has anyone here?

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at October 13, 2019 07:11 PM (Tt761)
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Neither have I! Anyone?

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

23 Stocking wasn't an issue for me until Wally World went PC.
It was as easy as a)go to range b)shoot 100 rounds c) go to Wally's and buy 200

Not so easy now. Plus, I'm getting uneasy at the pressure being applied to corporations to do the restricting government hasn't the balls to do. I think that's going to increase going forward.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2019 07:13 PM (z79tQ)

24 >>can outlast you in a prolonged gunfight.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:11 PM (cfSRQ)

This 'prolonged gunfight' you speak of. I have heard of it. It is flirting between two shooters with poor aim, no?

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:13 PM (hgpSN)

25 Speaking ammo, I'm looking to change things up a bit, and see how my firearms (the ones not at the bottom of the Red Ceder) respond to some variations in ammo.

I've been very happy on the whole with a steady (and inexpensive) supplier of remanufactured ammo, but I'm noticing it seems dirtier than the factory stuff.

So I think I'll switch stuff out for a bit and see if I see a difference.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:13 PM (cfSRQ)

26 pjmedia.com/kansas schoolgirl arrested for-brandishing finger gun

https://tinyurl.com/yy57lsv8

Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2019 07:13 PM (ZCEU2)

27 This 'prolonged gunfight' you speak of. I have heard of it. It is flirting between two shooters with poor aim, no?

In war it takes a man's weight in munitions to bring him down

Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2019 07:14 PM (ZCEU2)

28 and speaking of AR mags, the build on Mrs928's AR continues. Last week I installed a Brownells BCG and since it is very lightweight, I went with a Superlative Arms adjustable gas block. This week a Romeo5 red dot.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmHd9pzF

It is essentially ready to shoot except that I remembered I gave away my ProMags to my minister a couple years ago. Not being an AR guy I had only bought them because I was worried that standard capacity mags were going to be outlawed. I think I paid the princely sum of $30 a piece in the Sandyhook Panic.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:15 PM (yQpMk)

29 Finger-gun-show-loophole.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:15 PM (hgpSN)

30 I've got an 1889 '86 Winchester in .40-65, but I've never heard of .38-70.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at October 13, 2019 07:15 PM (J6P5a)

31 We're just observing.

Posted by: Bagpipe Bill and Cuck Canterbury at October 13, 2019 07:16 PM (Pzzpr)

32 And this, my friends, is why I have selected my SHTF calibers and keep those stocked.

Other guns calibers, not as much ammo, but, if SHTF, might make good trade items.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman
at October 13, 2019 07:16 PM (WEBkv)

33 This 'prolonged gunfight' you speak of. I have heard of it. It is flirting between two shooters with poor aim, no?

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:13 PM (hgpSN)

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How many rounds do you think troops going outside the wire carry?

Go ahead, I'll let you round to the nearest hundred.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:17 PM (cfSRQ)

34 Since I shoot older weapons, I always buy and shoot what I buy. I buy in dribs and drabs and when I get a few hundred rounds of a particular caliber, I go shoot it.

French 7.5, Carcano 6.5, Jap 6.5 or 7.7, 8mm Mauser, etc, etc.

I always keep back about 40 rounds of each caliber just for insurance until I build it back up.

Weird pistol/revolver rounds like Jap 9 mm or French 7.65 long I shoot only half the box then keep the other half in storage as I just want to make sure the stuff works.

Worst thing in the world is have a rifle or pistol with no ammo to shoot it with if you feel the need.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 13, 2019 07:17 PM (Z+IKu)

35 You can never have too much ammo.

And what about .32-20, 32.40 and similar cartridges? There are more .32 caliber cartridges than you can shake a stick at.

Posted by: Elric at October 13, 2019 07:18 PM (oSDkQ)

36 I bought the Romeo5 because it looked like a good deal. I'm still wrestling with what is the proper sighting arrangement for a HD rifle for a little woman whose vision ain't all that.

Perhaps the Morons have some suggestions. Laser sight maybe?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:18 PM (yQpMk)

37 Hi everyone!

Posted by: PicklePete at October 13, 2019 07:18 PM (PToZ9)

38 Made the mistake of seeing "Ad Astra" yesterday. Didn't realize it was about (gasp!) "toxic masculinity."

So I drove my toxically-masculine ass from the theater straight to Cabela's where (joy of joys!) I spied a mint-condition Yugoslavia M70A Tokarev. Sadly, it was 9mm. Now, I've wanted a Tok forever, but I really wanted a 7.62x25. But the gun was nice and the price was right, so it went home with me.

It came with two mags, which is good, because the mags are pure unobtanium (no, regular Tok mags won't work, the Yugos made their Toks with a longer grip to take an extra round.)

I looks enough like a Browning design (which it was cribbed from) that it gives me warm fuzzies.




Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 07:19 PM (j4zcI)

39 So has it begun?

Posted by: The Guy Who's Not Sure Whether It's Begun Yet at October 13, 2019 07:19 PM (ZYB2s)

40 In war it takes a man's weight in munitions to bring him down
Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2019 07:14 PM (ZCEU2)

Supressive fire keeps the enemy down while allowing movement for your side. It also burns ammo, while keeping the enemy alive, but hunkered.* That would be the only reason why what you said is true.

or to take it literally, they weigh our boys down with so much gear their knees give out.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2019 07:19 PM (z79tQ)

41
Well, with a lot of help from the refs, the Cowboys get in the end zone.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 13, 2019 07:20 PM (jL0DI)

42 >>How many rounds do you think troops going outside the wire carry? Go ahead, I'll let you round to the nearest hundred. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:17 PM (cfSRQ)

Enough to supply those among them who are better shots when they are felled, or are smaller targets, or have the protection of Ares.

I think this is not the answer you seek. You will now answer your own question.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:20 PM (hgpSN)

43 What was odd about the .38/70 is that the guy who had it in his booth didn't know what would shoot it.
I suspect he found it in some lake after an unfortunate canoe accident. They were old cartridges but it's a curiosity.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at October 13, 2019 07:20 PM (Tt761)

44 How many rounds do you think troops going outside the wire carry?

Go ahead, I'll let you round to the nearest hundred.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:17 PM (cfSRQ)

7 loaded mags and 300 on strippers?
510?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2019 07:21 PM (z79tQ)

45 RANGE REPORT: Visited Rose Lake yesterday. Excellent weather.

Shot a friend's Galil. Heavy bastard. Not my cup of tea. I mean it was cool, but a very heavy platform to be pumping out 5.56.

I took the Mauser C96 out yet again, having replaced the leaf spring on the sights AND the sear spring.

Naturally the follower started to act up. The only real issue was the bolt wouldn't lock open, which made reloading a bit of a chore. Upon getting home I think I fixed the problem with careful cleaning an reassembly.

One of these days, the thing will just work...

I shot a Beretta Cheetah in .22 LR that was sweeeet. Fun little gun, maybe not the most accurate but easily the nicest-shooting .22 I've ever used. Must. Get. One.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:21 PM (cfSRQ)

46 Bought a H&K 416 pistol in 22LR. Alas, not ready for travel to the MoMeet. This year.

My right wrist fused, making semi-autos with slides difficult to work. This is a possible solution.

I do have one question, Weasel. Is an application for a 22LR silencer putting me at the top of various government lists?

Not that I'm not on lists already, because I venerate the wisdom in the Constitution.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 07:22 PM (u82oZ)

47 >>35 You can never have too much ammo.
Posted by: Elric at October 13, 2019 07:18 PM (oSDkQ)

Navin R. Johnson's wannabe assassin had too much ammo.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:22 PM (hgpSN)

48 The .38-70 WCF was introduced in 1886 along with the Winchester Model 1886 rifle. It wasn't very popular, and was discontinued a few years later.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 07:23 PM (DMUuz)

49 Navin R. Johnson's wannabe assassin had too much ammo.
Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:22 PM (hgpSN)

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He hated those cans.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 13, 2019 07:23 PM (ZYB2s)

50 Worst thing in the world is have a rifle or pistol with no ammo to shoot it with if you feel the need.


Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 13, 2019 07:17 PM (Z+IKu)

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Yep. When I reach the last box, I wait to get more before shooting again. Since gun shows are frequent (and the internet never sleeps) it's usually not too long before I can restock the more exotic stuff.

And let's face it, some stuff you have to buy in quantity when it turns up.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:24 PM (cfSRQ)

51 Not that I'm not on lists already, because I venerate the wisdom in the Constitution.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 07:22 PM (u82oZ)
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I suspect most of us on AoS are on a list somewhere.

That whole outmoded and quaint "fidelity to the Constitution as written" probably qualifies us as seditionists.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman
at October 13, 2019 07:25 PM (WEBkv)

52 To answer your question, I have enough ammo for a couple months interregnum in polite society. Any longer, and my wife runs out of live-extending drugs.

I can supply Festung NaCly and any stray stalwarts that defend it. Until I need to locate the nearest Hillary voter, and take her stuff.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 07:25 PM (u82oZ)

53 >>>Every single challenger to our beloved President Trump really does mean to restrict or eliminate altogether your rights under the 2nd Amendment.


If they carry the argument through the general and somehow win (because it is all about who counts the ballots, not who votes),
they will claim to have a mandate to wipe the 2nd, amendment or not.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 13, 2019 07:26 PM (1g7ch)

54 9 ... "I also have a couple of boxes of 4 which I bought by mistake some years ago. So I'm saving those for any baddies who might try to break into my house."

At household distances number 4 shot will do the job. There won't even be time for the shot column to spread much so there will be a lot of pellets in a rather small, condensed space.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 07:26 PM (bmdz3)

55 >>> 46 Bought a H&K 416 pistol in 22LR. Alas, not ready for travel to the MoMeet. This year.

My right wrist fused, making semi-autos with slides difficult to work. This is a possible solution.

I do have one question, Weasel. Is an application for a 22LR silencer putting me at the top of various government lists?

Not that I'm not on lists already, because I venerate the wisdom in the Constitution.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 07:22 PM (u82oZ)

I've heard the wait time (not for any specific caliber) was a high as 14 months, but more recently has been down to 3.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 13, 2019 07:26 PM (0ReGO)

56 I have recently came into possession of my dads old Ithica Saddle rifle in 22LR. My assumption is that it hasn't been cleaned in 30 years. Is this something I can clean and check out myself? (I am not an armourer)

Posted by: PicklePete at October 13, 2019 07:26 PM (PToZ9)

57 I do have one question, Weasel. Is an application for a 22LR silencer putting me at the top of various government lists?

Not that I'm not on lists already, because I venerate the wisdom in the Constitution.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 07:22 PM (u82oZ)
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Geez - I dunno. I can't imagine it would help, but I also wouldn't worry about it if it were me. I'm sure we'll see a lot of differing opinions!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

58 7 loaded mags and 300 on strippers?

510?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2019 07:21 PM (z79tQ)

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It's a trick question. The answer is: as much as they can carry.

Zod brings just two: one for his enemy and then the last bullet he saves for himself.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)

59 So I drove my toxically-masculine ass from the theater straight to Cabela's where (joy of joys!) I spied a mint-condition Yugoslavia M70A Tokarev. Sadly, it was 9mm. Now, I've wanted a Tok forever, but I really wanted a 7.62x25. But the gun was nice and the price was right, so it went home with me.


This is what you seek. C&R with a trigger safety instead of being butchered up.

http://bit.ly/2KjLnay

Replace the glockish trigger with an original and Bob's your uncle. You'll have a straight up military configured 5 Torch M57 like my brothers.

http://bit.ly/2BaDdKO

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:27 PM (yQpMk)

60 Looks like a round of original .38-70 WCF goes for around $15-20.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 07:28 PM (DMUuz)

61 Can anybody suggest where I might have a Star 9mm Luger barrel re-chambered to 9mm Largo? Seems an easy enough operation, but my internet searches have proven fruitless. My suspicion is that it might prove costlier than it's worth, since I doubt most gunsmiths have 9mm Largo reamers laying around.

And to those who may ask, the reason is that I have a Star Super Modelo B in 9mm Luger that is a jam-o-matic. I suspect that the mags it came with are actually Modelo A mags for 9mm Largo (which the pistol was originally designed for). There's extra real estate at the front of the mags, and after the first few rounds come out, the rest assume a nose-down position halfway out of the feed lips and bang straight into the bottom of the chamber mouth.

And no, the proper mags are not available. I seem to have a fetish for pistols with rare mags.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 07:28 PM (j4zcI)

62 >>It's a trick question. The answer is: as much as they can carry. Zod brings just two: one for his enemy and then the last bullet he saves for himself.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)

This is incorrect.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:28 PM (hgpSN)

63 And let's face it, some stuff you have to buy in quantity when it turns up.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:24 PM (cfSRQ)
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7.5 x 55 Swiss certainly qualifies. Whenever surplus stuff shows up, I buy it.

Haven't seen it for a while, though.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman
at October 13, 2019 07:29 PM (WEBkv)

64 To assist me, I only have 56 types of ammo. 1 rifle caliber, 3 shotgun types (12 gauge, 16 gauge, 410), and two pistol calipers.

After the last scare, I have plenty of pistol ammo.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 07:29 PM (u82oZ)

65 21 Hello Horde!

As I mentioned last night, the 6th(!) Annual SW Ohio MoMe was a smashing success, and this year we added a pre-MoMe trip to a range. I had previously promised Weasel a range report, and that will be forthcoming, but for the nonce let me say that you should NEVER mess with a dead Moron: before yesterday, buzzion had never fired a weapon IRL, and his performance was LEGENDARY.

Special Thanks to Alton Jackson who drove all the way from Michigan to grace us with his presence and expertise.

Aside: I'll post a MIL update on the ONT (Spoiler Alert: things are NOT good).

Posted by: ibguy at October 13, 2019 07:12 PM (EHVbt)



Definitely fun. And I'll probably never be that lucky again next time I do shoot. And I did email you the target picture file. Apparently though it only sends an image on the first one. All other e-mails were just scores.

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 07:29 PM (Z7lwY)

66 This is incorrect.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:28 PM (hgpSN)
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If you're doing it right, the other guy won't even know he's in a gunfight.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

67 buzzion, I hope you had to buy a lot of raffle tickets to win the NOOD cup.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 07:31 PM (FyBLL)

68 Amen on SG Ammo.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 07:31 PM (UUkQp)

69 Just picked up some more today at the local gun show. Always a good day when that happens.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2019 07:31 PM (axyOa)

70 If you're doing it right, the other guy won't even know he's in a gunfight.
Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)
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The Ma Bell/AT&T solution.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman
at October 13, 2019 07:32 PM (WEBkv)

71 38. My bro and uncle went to see Ad Astra. The toxic masculinity message must have gone right over their heads though. Neither of them particularly liked it, said it was too slow.

Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2019 07:33 PM (3o++7)

72 Amen on SG Ammo.


Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 07:31 PM (UUkQp)
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Thinking about it now, I've probably used 8 or 10 different online suppliers over the years, and have never had any sort of problem with an order. Anyone have a different experience?

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

73 This is a fine topic.

Just bought another 1k .45 ACP ammo!

Stuff is not cheap...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:33 PM (xJa6I)

74 61
Can anybody suggest where I might have a Star 9mm Luger barrel
re-chambered to 9mm Largo? Seems an easy enough operation, but my
internet searches have proven fruitless. My suspicion is that it might
prove costlier than it's worth, since I doubt most gunsmiths have 9mm
Largo reamers laying around.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 07:28 PM (j4zcI)

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Not an expert but....

Isn't 9mm Largo very similar in terms of pressure? Are the bullet diameters that different?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:34 PM (cfSRQ)

75 >>> 73 This is a fine topic.

Just bought another 1k .45 ACP ammo!

Stuff is not cheap...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:33 PM (xJa6I)

I bet it would be cheaper if you'd quit dropping it in the lake.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 13, 2019 07:34 PM (0ReGO)

76 Duncanthrax
Thank you. The guy didn't have a price on the ammo. It was in a box, Winchester, so maybe original?
I'd be kind of wary about it even if I had something that it would feed.
The box had water stains and was very fragile.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at October 13, 2019 07:34 PM (Tt761)

77 The Ma Bell/AT&T solution.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman
at October 13, 2019 07:32 PM (WEBkv)
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exactly!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

78 The Henry used .44 Rimfire, they made a small run in the 1930s but it is basically unobtanium. So are original Henry rifles, so it's kind of moot. But people buy, and sell, and shoot it when they can. I think there is a fellow out in South Dakota or somewhere out there in the West, whose ancestors acquired a Henry and a supply of ammo from a bluebelly and they pop off a couple rounds every year.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 13, 2019 07:34 PM (SEDJv)

79 Thinking about it now, I've probably used 8 or 10 different online suppliers over the years, and have never had any sort of problem with an order. Anyone have a different experience?
Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:33 PM (MVjcR)
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I was shipped an order that was short, and I didn't catch it until I got home. (CA, all order have to go through FFL) Took some wangling, but, the company eventually made it right.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman
at October 13, 2019 07:35 PM (WEBkv)

80 >>If you're doing it right, the other guy won't even know he's in a gunfight.
Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

If you're doing it right, Wicked 42 overhead has informed you whether there are lights on, and when you cite Article 4 of the Iraqi constitution at his door, he's still sleepytime.

So, yeah, what you said.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:36 PM (hgpSN)

81 ibguy
I'm keeping your MiL in my prayers.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at October 13, 2019 07:36 PM (Tt761)

82 Frh.

"Article 4."

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:36 PM (hgpSN)

83 Thinking about it now, I've probably used 8 or 10 different online suppliers over the years, and have never had any sort of problem with an order. Anyone have a different experience?


In 2014, PSA was running a sale on 54r. $89.90 a can and free shipping. I order 5 crates. Got confirmation, credit card charged and everything. A week later when I inquired about when I would receive it they cancelled my entire order. Claimed to have run out.

I have not bought anything from them since.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:37 PM (yQpMk)

84 Well two gun related activities this week. Bought another Marlin XT-22 to replace the one that I shot the crown out of (better than 8000 rounds of mostly high velocity 22s have carved a chrysanthemum into the crown at the bore). Took it to the range and could definitely see the difference in accuracy.
Secondly - today I gave a pistol safety, take down, cleaning, and dry fire accuracy course to one of my black belts. When his absolutely breath taking Ukrainian girl friend comes to town in a few weeks - he wants me to do the same thing for her - plus all 3 of us will go to the range for some shooting.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 07:37 PM (1Q15G)

85
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 13, 2019 07:38 PM (KCxzN)

86 >>Just bought another 1k .45 ACP ammo! Stuff is not cheap...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:33 PM (xJa6I)

You will tithe 10 percent of this to the Zod Prep National Sequestered Undergrounded Arsenal.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:39 PM (hgpSN)

87 Did I mention that they had the 54r back in stock the next week and much greater price? Because they did.

I think they just stiffed me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:39 PM (yQpMk)

88 Most states have gotten more gun friendly. Witness the increase in Shall Issue states

There are seven to ten that have been going the other way. They will start restricting ammo purchases as and around to Heller.

Be Prapared, as the Boy Scouts say

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 13, 2019 07:39 PM (1Wbhb)

89 Great topic and a valuable on.

I keep a certain amount of commercial ammo available for CC and HD purposes and I could add to it with my reloads if needed.

I take advantage of big sales on 9mm, 223, and 22lr. This is SD and practice ammo and I want to maintain good amounts of it. I'll take advantage of other sales on 38 special and 30-06 but they don't happen too often.

I haven't seen any great deals on ammo at gun shows for some time. That may have changed recently.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 07:39 PM (bmdz3)

90 I have not bought anything from them since.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:37 PM (yQpMk)
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Interesting. Thanks for the input. Years ago there were some complaints about their customer service if I recall correctly, but I haven't heard anything recently. Not that it means much!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

91 Hi Ya Alton. one week!

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 07:40 PM (FyBLL)

92 >> Not that I'm not on lists already, because I venerate the wisdom in the Constitution.
>> Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 07:22 PM (u82oZ)

The suppressor industry has been pushing hard recently to get suppressors into the general market. I think The Lists of people who own suppressors is getting large enough that you won't stand out much more by going for it.

Plus, the good thing about buying a suppressor now is that if things do go really bad, you'll have a suppressor.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at October 13, 2019 07:40 PM (f0Pv6)

93 Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at October 13, 2019 07:40 PM (arJlL)

94
67 buzzion, I hope you had to buy a lot of raffle tickets to win the NOOD cup.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 07:31 PM (FyBLL)



I think everyone that bought them bought a lot.

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 07:40 PM (Z7lwY)

95
hey, Ben Had!

mere days, actually

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 13, 2019 07:41 PM (KCxzN)

96 Need more ammo for the Storm, only have 400rds of 9mm.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 07:41 PM (jpV2c)

97 Yesterday was our 1911 themed range day. The Nurse, myself and Lazy Messenger threw some 230 grain downrange.

LM also brought a couple of suppressors, in .22 and .45.

The result...well, the Nurse is very good with single action anything. She regularly outshot me. LM is also very very good with any of his many, many 1911's.

I still don't have a good relationships with 1911s. I'm very impressed with the Rock Island 1911s and would reccomend them to anyone. It doesn't hurt that I shot them the best. My Ruger is also fine, good sights on it, but I'm not used to the 1911 trigger.

I'm used to striker fired triggers, with their takeup and softer 'wall' that I'm used to. I keep trying to 'force' the trigger break on 1911's and it makes me push my shots low.

So that problem is a me problem, but I just find most 1911's to be angular and uncomfortable in my hands compared to XD, CZ's or PPQs.

Next week, I plan on bringing my double stack polymer 45's to compare

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:41 PM (xJa6I)

98 Well, again, time to wander.

No time for range stuff as I have an aging parent that takes up my weekends.

Been tough these last few months.

Great thread, as usual, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman
at October 13, 2019 07:41 PM (WEBkv)

99 Been to the range today - shot reloaded rounds!

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 13, 2019 07:42 PM (RjYVG)

100 I still have the email. I never delete anything.


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Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:42 PM (yQpMk)

101 I haven't seen any great deals on ammo at gun shows for some time. That may have changed recently.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 07:39 PM (bmdz3)
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Hey JTB - What are your thoughts on the big gun show out by Dulles? It's a madhouse and so I typically avoid it.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

102 You can often find those steel "Flammables" safety cabinets on Craigslist. They're made of a heavy sheet metal, usually with louvers on the door. "Flammables" cabinets are normally painted a bright yellow, with "Flammables" a prominent decal or stencil (in red) on the door.

It wouldn't be difficult to add a hasp for a lock, or otherwise make them lockable. Some, are so equipped as made.

This is about ideal for ammo storage, as the cabinet can be to the floor or wall studs, and the locked cabinet gives a modicum of security to the ammo. And the ventilation helps prevent an overpressure in case of fire.

Got a lot of ammo though? Do your websearches, and find a set of surplus school gym lockers. All the attributes of the flammables cabinet, and you can store ammo by type, divided among the different bays. Surplus school lockers can often be found at verrrrrryyy cheap prices.

Happy hunting!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 07:44 PM (QzJWU)

103 Just saw Reacher on cable

Do shooters like it

Genuinely curious

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 13, 2019 07:44 PM (1Wbhb)

104 Posted by: blake - used sock salesman
at October 13, 2019 07:41 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks Blake!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

105 And no, the proper mags are not available. I seem to have a fetish for pistols with rare mags.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 07:28 PM (j4zcI)

Yup....Spanish Star Model A became the Model B, and went from 9 mm Largo to 9 mm Parabellum/Luger.

However, the magazines were still made for the 9 mm Largo specs for a time, in typical Spanish fashion, so you do have to switch out and try different magazines to find one that works well in my experience.

Also, try just loading 5 rounds in the mag and see what happens. The spring and fit may vary and I have found this helps getting the pistol running right, even though at a reduced round capacity.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 13, 2019 07:44 PM (Z+IKu)

106 86 >>Just bought another 1k .45 ACP ammo! Stuff is not cheap...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:33 PM (xJa6I)

You will tithe 10 percent of this to the Zod Prep National Sequestered Undergrounded Arsenal.
Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:39 PM (hgpSN)

I'll just need the donation form...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:45 PM (xJa6I)

107 Surplus school lockers can often be found at verrrrrryyy cheap prices.


Brilliant!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:45 PM (yQpMk)

108
Instead of buying and storing ammo, I want one of those pistols on TV crime shows that the shooter holds sideways and the mag never empties.

Sometimes they shoot 50 or more shots, and they are still shooting!

And in California, no less!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 13, 2019 07:45 PM (sy5kK)

109 61 >38ACP/38 Super reamer should be identical or close enough to 9MM Largo.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 13, 2019 07:45 PM (C1Lsn)

110 Jim, do you still have that set of nippers in your bag?

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 07:46 PM (FyBLL)

111 103 Just saw Reacher on cable

Do shooters like it

Genuinely curious
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 13, 2019 07:44 PM (1Wbhb)

I got about 10 min into Jack Reacher. What bothered me wasn't Tom Cruise...it was the veteran character who 'just had to kill someone' before leaving Iraq and 'accidentally' murdered some US servicemen who'd been visiting a rape house for fun. I saw that and went 'nope', turned it off and have no intention of going back.

Plus the author is a Brit stoner fuckhead, so screw him too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:46 PM (xJa6I)

112 The forward assist on Zod's pill-pusher used to play "Dixie" when punched.

Recustomized to play "Red Rubber Ball" by Cyrkle.

Carry on.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:47 PM (hgpSN)

113 Ordered some .22mag years ago and UPS showed and handed me an empty box. I chewed UPS out and they basically laid it off on a 'contract' worker. The supplier made good on the order. Never a problem with SG Ammo though.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 07:47 PM (UUkQp)

114 Any ideas on AR sighting packages for HD/CQB for the Missus? I was expecting to be deluged with suggestions. The AR has a keylock handguard so I could add a laser and flashlight if they were light enough. Beyond that I have no idea.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:49 PM (yQpMk)

115 Got a lot of ammo though? Do your websearches, and find a set of surplus school gym lockers.

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 07:44 PM (QzJWU)

I ended up needing a 20 foot Conex.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at October 13, 2019 07:49 PM (l7Kbv)

116 That should be enough to cause A National Hysteria.

"News outlets report that gun enthusiasts are cooperatively stockpiling common calibers of ammunition in carefully-hidden five-gallon plastic buckets around the nation. Thousands of them, according to reports..."

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 07:50 PM (hgpSN)

117 I've got a spam can of 7.62x39 milsurp that I figured might come in handy for the zombie apocalypse when I bought it. I've had it for at least 10 years and for part of that time had it stored in a less than ideal location, temperature-wise. I've always been curious if it will look like brass soup if and when it is ever opened.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 07:50 PM (EgshT)

118
I keep food in quantity for 4 weapons. I always have the same amount for each, and rotate each caliber in keeping with what I shoot.

If TSHTF I'm going to be forced to evacuate, I think. Not an easily defended base, the fallback is a different story. So it'll be necessary to leave some stuff but I CAN take weapons and ammo in quantity that will be adequate. I hope.

With luck I'll never have to find out if my prep was enough. Already been through combat once and have no great desire to repeat the experience.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 13, 2019 07:50 PM (KATBx)

119 "I regularly shoot surplus ammo made nearly 70 years ago and it still works just fine. I have no idea how it was kept before I got it, and I have never had a problem."

Yes, I've fired milsurp ammo from all the way back to the 1940s without problems. Clean your bore well afterwards, because some of that stuff is corrosive.

If you morons want awesome deals on ammo, go to the Knob Creek machine gun shoot, and bring dollies to wheel it out. It's the best fun, for the lowest price, of ANY amusement attraction in the USA.

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 13, 2019 07:50 PM (mk9aG)

120 Jim, I plan on bringing the two target stands and the box of targets from last year.

lin-duh is bringing BB guns for the kids.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 07:50 PM (FyBLL)

121 114 Any ideas on AR sighting packages for HD/CQB for the Missus? I was expecting to be deluged with suggestions. The AR has a keylock handguard so I could add a laser and flashlight if they were light enough. Beyond that I have no idea.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:49 PM (yQpMk)

For the money, I like Holosun.
I've been happy with Primary Arms too.

If you have serious cheddar, or only one or two guns to set up, Trijicon

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:52 PM (xJa6I)

122 Since I just got back from watching Alien, would .45ACP have settled that xenomorph PDQ?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 07:52 PM (jpV2c)

123 For the money, I like Holosun.
I've been happy with Primary Arms too.

If you have serious cheddar, or only one or two guns to set up, Trijicon


So just a red dot?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:52 PM (yQpMk)

124 Oh and despite many, many, many online orders...never had a problem. I stick with SGammo mostly, but also Carolina Munitions and SurplusAmmo.

I won't deal with LAX Ammo any more. Too many quality control issues. But that wasn't a shipping problem, it was a MFG problem.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)

125 Well I think their name says it all - LAX

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 07:54 PM (jpV2c)

126 123 For the money, I like Holosun.
I've been happy with Primary Arms too.

If you have serious cheddar, or only one or two guns to set up, Trijicon

So just a red dot?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:52 PM (yQpMk)

For under 200 yards, yeah normal red dots will be good. If you need some magnification, I'd go with Primary Arms.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)

127 I have a lot more rifle ammo than I do pistol ammo. I figure if I am ever reduced to having to seriously fight with my pistols I'm probably not going to live long enough to use up the ammo I do have.
I have about 100 rounds of my .9 mile supersonic .300 WinMag 225 grain Hornady sub MOA hand loads. I figure if I live long enough to have made that many precision long range shots - my side will have won.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 07:54 PM (1Q15G)

128 125 Well I think their name says it all - LAX
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 07:54 PM (jpV2c)

True facts

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 07:55 PM (xJa6I)

129 How many rounds do you think troops going outside the wire carry?

Go ahead, I'll let you round to the nearest hundred.


Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:17 PM (cfSRQ)


My cousin was a Nam vet. He used to said he used to carry as much ammo as he could possibly carry in bandoliers and then pack his pockets, and would have packed his ass with ammo if he could have. He got over run twice and survived, so I'm guessing he was a tad over cautious.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 13, 2019 07:55 PM (9Om/r)

130 Can't go wrong with a Trijicon ACOG.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 07:55 PM (EgshT)

131 101 ... Weasel,
I haven't been to the Dulles show for a couple of years. You're right, it is a madhouse. I stopped going because I just wasn't finding any bargains in guns or ammo or components. If I were looking for some odd item, like a particular Lee Loader Kit, I might go. A guy used to come down from PA with cast bullets at good prices but he stopped coming.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 07:57 PM (bmdz3)

132 As was mentioned earlier, the drawback is the price point.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 07:58 PM (EgshT)

133 Since I just got back from watching Alien, would .45ACP have settled that xenomorph PDQ?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 07:52 PM


They all fall to hardball.

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 07:59 PM (DMUuz)

134 ...Jim, do you still have that set of nippers in your bag?


Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 07:46 PM (FyBLL)



Yes, and it's a "project in process". Had a welder build up material to the jaws, but then he went and flat-ground the top surface, eliminating the "rolling fulcrum" attribute of the too.

So, had another welder add more material to the top and "bite" area, by welding the jaws shut.

I've ground the right profile onto the top, but need to get the tool to a fab shop with a lazer cutter, so as to get a very fine, very perfect cut at the "bite".

I can then file the basic "chisel" angles on each jaw, and I have the VERY fine triangular Arkansas stones to set the edge.

Oh, and I've gotta harden them at the bite, then temper that after, so they'll be hard enough to sharpen, tough enough to work, but not be "brittle" in the doing.

One final thing. I don't know what composition of steel they're made of, but it was damn hard to find the right welding rod and settings to NOT just run right through the tool. But I think we've got the right stuff on 'em now, and I'll be able to make them work.

I'll bring them with me so you can see what I've got left to do.

*grins*


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 08:01 PM (QzJWU)

135 If I had to do my gun buying all over again, I'd have stuck with just a few calibers:
9mm
45 ACP
.22 lr
5.56
12 garage

All fairly inexpensive. But nooooooo I have to fall in love with 10mm and 9mm MAK and 7.62 Tokarev and 7.62x39 and 5.45x39....

Sigh.

I'm glad I have good garage storage options.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 08:01 PM (xJa6I)

136 For under 200 yards, yeah normal red dots will be good. If you need some magnification, I'd go with Primary Arms.


This is for the half blind missus so I'm thinking under 100 feet is the more likely use. I'm planning to sight the Romeo spot-on at 25 yards though I'm not that sure what I am doing as I have no reflex sight experience.
Just sneaking around the house and yard with it and it seems pretty cool. Both eyes open and not even looking at the dot. Just lining it up on things. I was expecting to take that tall mount off and put it lower but I have changed my mind. It seems like you would have to go nose to charging handle if it was that low. I can just touch my face to the buffer tube and voila!, there it is.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 08:01 PM (yQpMk)

137 Bullets did seem to go through those alien creatures fairly easy for looking like armor.

Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2019 08:01 PM (ZCEU2)

138 For under 200 yards, yeah normal red dots will be good. If you need some magnification, I'd go with Primary Arms.

Primary Arms scopes are excellent for AR style rifles - they really extend the effective range of an AR out to 500 yards or so. I really like the HUD reticle with ranging and wind holds built in without having to dial in a shooting solution.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 08:01 PM (1Q15G)

139 The Romeo5 was $108 off Amazon, btw. Pretty inexpensive.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 08:02 PM (yQpMk)

140 Would an alien even know it has been shot? It might not have any concept of a gun.

Posted by: freaked at October 13, 2019 08:02 PM (Tnijr)

141 I ended up needing a 20 foot Conex.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at October 13, 2019 07:49 PM (l7Kbv)


Still a $1000 deposit on a conex?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 13, 2019 08:03 PM (1g7ch)

142 96
Need more ammo for the Storm, only have 400rds of 9mm.


Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 07:41 PM (jpV2c)

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Moron Storm Fan club!

*offers secret handshake*

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)

143 >>How many rounds do you think troops going outside the wire carry? Go ahead, I'll let you round to the nearest hundred. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 07:17 PM (cfSRQ)

We were issued 14 magazines each, but I carried eight on my vest and one in the rifle.

Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 08:03 PM (U7voe)

144 I came across a reference to 38/70 caliber a while back. IIRC, it was an 1880s Winchester development, black powder of course. For some reason the round wasn't too popular and was discontinued.

If it was a bottleneck cartridge that bullet would be zipping right along but it would be harder to reload compared to straight wall cases like the 38/55.

Sorry I can't remember more.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 08:03 PM (bmdz3)

145 All right, off to walk the pup.

See folks later!

Glad to see you, Zod. Go write stuff so I can read it and give you money for it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 08:03 PM (xJa6I)

146 "Bullets did seem to go through those alien creatures fairly easy for looking like armor."

That's why Ash said "Hey, use flamethrowers." He wanted to save the Alien from more effective weapons.

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 13, 2019 08:04 PM (mk9aG)

147 Still a $1000 deposit on a conex?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 13, 2019 08:03 PM (1g7ch)

I bought mine outright for $2700.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at October 13, 2019 08:04 PM (l7Kbv)

148 In the movie they know they are getting hit by bullets and flames, it does as I remember appear not knowing what from yet they are portrayed as being intelligent.

Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2019 08:05 PM (ZCEU2)

149 Also, I'm going to the Texas MoMe in a week. Should I bring hardware? Is anybody else?

Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 08:05 PM (U7voe)

150 .40 S&W. The ugly bulldog of ammunition. It's been said that the slug actually "grunts with satisfaction" upon impact.

Don't hate.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:05 PM (hgpSN)

151 There was someone here last week who mentioned that Brownell's had a one cent hazmat and free shipping over a certain value.

Thanks. Exploited that offer.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:06 PM (lD3vL)

152 All fairly inexpensive. But nooooooo I have to fall in love with 10mm and 9mm MAK and 7.62 Tokarev and 7.62x39 and 5.45x39....



Sigh.



I'm glad I have good garage storage options.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 08:01 PM (xJa6I)

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If you keep going archaic, things get easier.

I've noticed Tokarev 7.62 costs the same as Mauser 7.63.

So if I buy a Tokarev, my ammo supply situation actually gets easier! (At least that's what I tell my wife).

If you must go exotic (or at least more expensive) I do see some advantages to picking common calibers, like .380 or .32 auto. Since buying one of each, the cost of getting more is a little less since - gosh - I've already got that caliber in stock.

I knew a guy who had a varied collection who decided it was too much of a hassle so he sold everything and collected only 9mm for a while.

Oh, did he regret that....

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:07 PM (cfSRQ)

153 Also, I'm going to the Texas MoMe in a week. Should I bring hardware? Is anybody else?

Is the Pope Catholic ?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:07 PM (lD3vL)

154 Notorious BFD @ 130- If I could afford a Trijicon ACOG I'd damn sure have one.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:07 PM (UUkQp)

155 Since I just got back from watching Alien, would .45ACP have settled that xenomorph PDQ?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 07:52 PM (jpV2c)


Would've sorted out Ash for sure, then it never would have come up.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:08 PM (t+qrx)

156 .40 S&W. The ugly bulldog of ammunition. It's been said that the slug actually "grunts with satisfaction" upon impact.

It grunts because its pissed off that it could have been a 10mm if the owner wasn't such a pussy.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:08 PM (lD3vL)

157 Is the Pope Catholic ?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:07 PM (lD3vL)


*shakes magic hate ball*

"Don't count on it."

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:09 PM (t+qrx)

158
149 Also, I'm going to the Texas MoMe in a week. Should I bring hardware? Is anybody else?
Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 08:05 PM (U7voe)
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Absolutely.
PSA for everyone coming to the TXMoMe: if you plan on shooting, and there will be a lot of opportunities to do so, please bring some sort of hearing and eye protection!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

159
I just ordered stink bombs from ebay to deal with a pesky neighbor.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 13, 2019 08:10 PM (jL0DI)

160 Need more ammo for the Storm, only have 400rds of 9mm.

Play The Storm like a FPS. If it gets that bad, all of the posers who bought a gun, ammo and thought that was all they needed (e.g. No Training) will be those caches that you find along the way.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:11 PM (lD3vL)

161 Vanya, I am so freaking dumb. It just hit me what you were asking. Talk about being slow on the up take.

I will answer for Weasel, there will a enough brass from lead separators to arm a militia.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:11 PM (FyBLL)

162 f they carry the argument through the general and somehow win (because it is all about who counts the ballots, not who votes),
they will claim to have a mandate to wipe the 2nd, amendment or not.



In which case they will find themselves in a shooting war, cause I won't be surrendering my rights to the Gimmedats.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 08:12 PM (1Q15G)

163 >>It grunts because its pissed off that it could have been a 10mm if the owner wasn't such a pussy.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:08 PM (lD3vL)

10mm. Futbol. Soixante-neuf. Brie.

It is to laugh.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:12 PM (hgpSN)

164 If I could afford a Trijicon ACOG I'd damn sure have one.

I have to admit that I made three trips to a local shop before I "pulled the trigger", so to speak, on the ACOG. I just kept looking at it a saying to myself "you just can't justify this". Well, I ended up justifying it. Not too sorry I did, though.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:12 PM (EgshT)

165
I will answer for Weasel, there will a enough brass from lead separators to arm a militia.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:11 PM (FyBLL)
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BH - I'm so dumb!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:12 PM (DoOTF)

166 It grunts because its pissed off that it could have been a 10mm if the owner wasn't such a pussy.



Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:08 PM (lD3vL)

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I have one good thing to say about.40 SW: The guns are going cheap.

A friend of mine tipped me off and said "Look, I know you want an HK, and if you watch the market for used guns, people are begging to get rid of them."

"Yeah, but then I've have a .40."

"How bad do you want an HK?"

He spoke truth. If you don't mind shooting .40 SW, there are some really good bargains as the 90s fad goes out to pasture.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:13 PM (cfSRQ)

167 164 If I could afford a Trijicon ACOG I'd damn sure have one.

I have to admit that I made three trips to a local shop before I "pulled the trigger", so to speak, on the ACOG. I just kept looking at it a saying to myself "you just can't justify this". Well, I ended up justifying it. Not too sorry I did, though.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:12 PM (EgshT)
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I have one on an AR and love it. I think I featured it here a month or two ago.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:13 PM (DoOTF)

168 >>162 f they carry the argument through the general and somehow win (because it is all about who counts the ballots, not who votes),
they will claim to have a mandate to wipe the 2nd, amendment or not.

Implementation of this should be interesting.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:14 PM (hgpSN)

169 Jim, I plan on bringing the two target stands and the box of targets from last year.

So how many pallets of Tannerite will be available?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:14 PM (lD3vL)

170 We've discussed this before in reloading threads but I like to be able to hand load for every caliber I own, except 22lr. During the last shortage, even components were hard to find. That situation is not one I will repeat. I have powder, bullets, primers, and tools to reload as needed. And I never have less than several hundred cases to work with, some calibers the number of cases is a few thousand. But that comes with years of bargain hunting and serious brass scavenging.

For BP shooters, the last shortage made finding percussion caps VERY difficult. I've made sure that won't be a problem for me again. Same with flints.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 08:14 PM (bmdz3)

171 Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

Roger. Thank you!

Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 08:14 PM (U7voe)

172 Vanya @ 149- There will be much diversity of gubs at the TxMoMe.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:15 PM (UUkQp)

173 I have never seen Alien before. And though I arrived a bit late, after the classic scene where Ash lets them into the ship, I was not terribly impressed.

Weyland-Yutani gets some of the blame for such a poorly worded order. It let Ash kill the crew and still not get the xenomorph.

For an air trunk with only one opening, it certainly had a few branches. Why not close all the hatches including the one Parker is guarding. Then Dallas goes in, pokes flamethrower through small center porthole and fires, and repeats process until main airlock.

How can Ripley with just a few key taps get the dirty info from Mother when it seems Dallas never did.

How did Ash get in where Ripley was without any sound of the doors opening? Unless each door has a sound effect chip that goes whoosh.

Running for the shuttle and Ripley goes chasing after the cat. Why? Also why did she try to cancel the self-destruct?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:15 PM (jpV2c)

174 Absolutely.
PSA for everyone coming to the TXMoMe: if you plan on shooting, and
there will be a lot of opportunities to do so, please bring some sort
of hearing and eye protection!


I so wish I could go. We have a martial arts clinic that weekend that I have to help teach so no deal.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 08:15 PM (1Q15G)

175 171 Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

Roger. Thank you!
Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 08:14 PM (U7voe)
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Looking forward to seeing you!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:15 PM (DoOTF)

176 Weasel, that was some classic wit on Vanya's part and I completely missed it.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:16 PM (FyBLL)

177 Weasel, I hit the Dulles show every chance I get. I do not necessarily find and deals per se. I purchase ammo there every time I go. The Georgia folks usually have a large quantity of their reloads, and I buy whatever interesting ammo I can find. Cash and carry of course.
They have killed all the shows near me in MD, so the dulles show works OK.
Last, the Virginia arms collector show is the first weekend in November, at the Prince William fairground.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at October 13, 2019 08:16 PM (ouR/N)

178 174 Absolutely.
PSA for everyone coming to the TXMoMe: if you plan on shooting, and
there will be a lot of opportunities to do so, please bring some sort
of hearing and eye protection!

I so wish I could go. We have a martial arts clinic that weekend that I have to help teach so no deal.
Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 08:15 PM (1Q15G)
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Bummer. It's going to be epic.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

179 Grump- For a home defense AR (or any other HD gun), I'd say a mounted flashlight is strongly recommended in addition to the red dot.

I don't have much deep knowledge about flashlight brands. Surefire is the big name, and I've had no problems with my low-intensity usage of Streamlight products so far.

If you don't intend to be firing thousands of rounds with the light mounted, you can probably get away with a light in the $50-100 range.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at October 13, 2019 08:17 PM (f0Pv6)

180 Running for the shuttle and Ripley goes chasing after the cat. Why? Also why did she try to cancel the self-destruct?


Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:15 PM (jpV2c)

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The sequel is actually the better movie.

Definitely more quotable.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:17 PM (cfSRQ)

181 I so wish I could go.

Same here. Sigh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:17 PM (EgshT)

182 Running for the shuttle and Ripley goes chasing after the cat. Why?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:15 PM (jpV2c)


Are you being serious? Would you not go back for the cat?

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:18 PM (t+qrx)

183 Question for discussion...

Guns are the quintessential all American bad ass tools.

But everything about them is measured in metric, the tool of soy drinking commie sucks.

Does this make gun enthusiasts a bunch of crypto commies?

Posted by: Robert is probably going to regret this later at October 13, 2019 08:18 PM (TTsVU)

184 Posted by: Jesse in DC at October 13, 2019 08:16 PM (ouR/N)
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One good tactic is to go as soon as it opens on Friday afternoon. Weekends are nuts.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

185 But everything about them is measured in metric, the tool of soy drinking commie sucks.
Posted by: Robert is probably going to regret this later at October 13, 2019 08:18 PM (TTsVU)


This is an artifact of NATO.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:19 PM (t+qrx)

186 ..So how many pallets of Tannerite will be available?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:14 PM (lD3vL)



The ranch guidelines were VERY clear on this.

There will be NO Tannerite on the range. Full stop. PERIOD.

Hope everyone cooperates in this regard!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 08:19 PM (QzJWU)

187 Are you being serious? Would you not go back for the cat?

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:18 PM (t+qrx)

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The first time we watched Aliens, my kids were absolutely TERRIFIED that something would happen to the cat.

When the cat stayed back, they were like "Ok, cool, kill everyone else so long as the cat is okay."

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:19 PM (cfSRQ)

188 Lloyd, yes the sequel is better.

Save the cat or survival? Survival wins nyah.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:19 PM (jpV2c)

189 >>182 Running for the shuttle and Ripley goes chasing after the cat. Why? Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:15 PM (jpV2c)

Emergency rations.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:20 PM (hgpSN)

190 186 ..So how many pallets of Tannerite will be available?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:14 PM (lD3vL)


The ranch guidelines were VERY clear on this.

There will be NO Tannerite on the range. Full stop. PERIOD.

Hope everyone cooperates in this regard!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 08:19 PM (QzJWU)
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Thanks Jim. Beat me to it!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

191 I so wish I could go. We have a martial arts clinic that weekend that I have to help teach so no deal.

You can always beat people up.

This is like saying, "No, I don't think Woodstock would be very interesting, I have to wash my hair that weekend".

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:20 PM (lD3vL)

192 The first time we watched Aliens, my kids were absolutely TERRIFIED that something would happen to the cat.

When the cat stayed back, they were like "Ok, cool, kill everyone else so long as the cat is okay."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:19 PM (cfSRQ)


Jonesy is the only one from the Nostromo who survives the whole ordeal, in the end.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:21 PM (t+qrx)

193 There will be a machine gun at the MoMe but No RPG's.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:21 PM (FyBLL)

194 Running for the shuttle and Ripley goes chasing after the cat. Why?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:15 PM (jpV2c)

Sigourney Weaver isn't anyone's idea of a looker. She's a 23rd or whichever century lonely cat lady.

Posted by: Robert is probably going to regret this later at October 13, 2019 08:21 PM (TTsVU)

195 If you don't intend to be firing thousands of rounds with the light mounted, you can probably get away with a light in the $50-100 range.

Thanks. I'm not hearing any love for lasers in the house.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 08:21 PM (yQpMk)

196 ------
If you're doing it right, the other guy won't even know he's in a gunfight.
Posted by: Weasel
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heh. I recall this scene in Judge Roy Bean. F/F to 1:30
https://tinyurl.com/y6f9t7pa

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2019 08:21 PM (plu6+)

197
This is like saying, "No, I don't think Woodstock would be very interesting, I have to wash my hair that weekend".
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:20 PM (lD3vL)
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It's epicness will be epic.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

198 Weasel is going to have one hell of a range report for the next gun thread!

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:22 PM (FyBLL)

199 Guns are the quintessential all American bad ass tools.

But everything about them is measured in metric, the tool of soy drinking commie sucks.

Does this make gun enthusiasts a bunch of crypto commies?

Posted by: Robert is probably going to regret this later at October 13, 2019 08:18 PM (TTsVU)

.38/.357
.45acp
impact measured in lb. ft.
velocity in fps.

I don't understand. Wachootalkinbout, Willis?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2019 08:22 PM (z79tQ)

200 Laser pointer in a dark house...

Hey thief! Shoot here!

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:23 PM (jpV2c)

201 No Woodstock II for me. I already have herpes.
-things Joe Cocker may have said.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:23 PM (UUkQp)

202 For a home defense AR (or any other HD gun), I'd say a mounted flashlight is strongly recommended in addition to the red dot.

For a night firing course, I brought along a Klarus XT11 GT mounted to the Tavor. It was like firing during full sun.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:24 PM (lD3vL)

203 Yankees had their way with the Astros last night so tonight I am hoping Houston turn it over

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 13, 2019 08:24 PM (/q/gM)

204 198 Weasel is going to have one hell of a range report for the next gun thread!
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:22 PM (FyBLL)
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Epic range report.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:24 PM (DoOTF)

205 >>a light in the $50-100 range.

Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:24 PM (hgpSN)

206
But everything about them is measured in metric, the tool of soy drinking commie sucks.



Does this make gun enthusiasts a bunch of crypto commies?

Posted by: Robert is probably going to regret this later at October 13, 2019 08:18 PM (TTsVU)

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This is nothing but lies, spread by the devil.

Many fine, American calibers are in standard nomenclature. Others use Euro-weenie measurements because Americans like John Moses Browning was earning an honest buck making kick-ass designs.

I don't own a 7.65 Browning, I own a .32 Auto and I don't give a damn what's engraved on the slide.

Even 9mm Short has an alias - .380 Auto.

Honestly, very few calibers are metric-only. We gave them 9mm Parabellum because it sounded kind of cool. Most of the rest we kept in normal, masculine nomenclature.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:24 PM (cfSRQ)

207 That pic looks like one side of my closet.

Posted by: Lo! at October 13, 2019 08:25 PM (2DOZq)

208 Found out why the military doesn't use reflector type telescopes for spotting scopes but instead uses refractors. With a Reflector like a Celestron when you are slightly off axis the mirror reflects the ambient light back to you, and the scope looks like a bright spot that makes you easy to spot. On the shooting range they work great and save a lot of money compared to a comparable refractor - but no good for combat.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 08:26 PM (1Q15G)

209 Si vis pacem, 9MM para bellum

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 08:26 PM (yQpMk)

210 Thanks. I'm not hearing any love for lasers in the house.

Why give up your location? Use the NVG for in house defense.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:26 PM (lD3vL)

211 A long time ago, I went to a weekend meetup of folks that frequented that slimy blog that is never to be mentioned again. It was held at the host's large spread in the middle of nowhere and much lead was slung downrange. It was an absolute blast but the TXMoMe sounds like it's going to be way better.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:27 PM (EgshT)

212 Laser pointer in a dark house...

Hey thief! Shoot here!
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:23 PM (jpV2c)


Offer not valid if the laser is already on the target.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:27 PM (t+qrx)

213 I don't understand. Wachootalkinbout, Willis?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2019 08:22 PM (z79tQ)

Dammit! Need...distraction...*Pulls out laser pointer, shines it on the ground*









This is an artifact of NATO.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:19 PM (t+qrx)

Those commie motherFUCKERS!

I say it's high time we bombed those nato bastards Into the stone age.

Posted by: Robert is probably going to regret this later at October 13, 2019 08:27 PM (TTsVU)

214 No Woodstock II for me. I already have herpes.
-things Joe Cocker may have said.
Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:23 PM (UUkQp)


Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song
And I'll try to not sing on a Kia
O baby hoggify...

Posted by: Joe Cocker at October 13, 2019 08:27 PM (aS1PU)

215 >>206 But everything about them is measured in metric, the tool of soy drinking commie sucks.

Dresden was destroyed by 3900 tons of bombs in 1944.

That's 3538 metric ghey-tonnes.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:28 PM (hgpSN)

216 211 A long time ago, I went to a weekend meetup of folks that frequented that slimy blog that is never to be mentioned again. It was held at the host's large spread in the middle of nowhere and much lead was slung downrange. It was an absolute blast but the TXMoMe sounds like it's going to be way better.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:27 PM (EgshT)
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It's one of the few things I'm willing to get on an airplane for anymore.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:28 PM (DoOTF)

217 200
Laser pointer in a dark house...

Hey thief! Shoot here!


Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:23 PM (jpV2c)

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My cats race towards the spot, tripping the intruder so I get a clean shot.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:28 PM (cfSRQ)

218 >> Posted by: Robert is probably going to regret this later at October 13, 2019 08:18 PM (TTsVU)

It's true that 9mm is the mark of the Euro-weenies, and I find it shameful that it's spreading so far in the US.

Fortunately, there's enough concentrated America in one .45 ACP to balance out dozens (or even hundreds!) of 9mms, so the US gun culture as a whole is well-inoculated against commie Euro cooties.

I will add that the 'millimeter' factor is also a good argument for .40S&W over 10mm.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at October 13, 2019 08:28 PM (f0Pv6)

219 But everything about them is measured in metric, the tool of soy drinking commie sucks.
Posted by: Robert is probably going to regret this later at October 13, 2019 08:18 PM


I know I'm ridiculed here both frequently and often, but even I know gauge isn't metric, nor are shot loads.

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 13, 2019 08:28 PM (DMUuz)

220 A fine range day. Perfect weather, and the fun of taking a young lad to the range. Nothing like watching an 11 year old boy's eyes light up when you hand him a scary black rifle and a Garand. Good times, noise and smoke ensued. Little guy shot pretty well, too.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2019 08:29 PM (P5uiK)

221 Notorious BFD, We have added a skeet range this year also.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:29 PM (FyBLL)

222 220 A fine range day. Perfect weather, and the fun of taking a young lad to the range. Nothing like watching an 11 year old boy's eyes light up when you hand him a scary black rifle and a Garand. Good times, noise and smoke ensued. Little guy shot pretty well, too.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2019 08:29 PM (P5uiK)
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Very nice!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:30 PM (DoOTF)

223 Notorious BFD, We have added a skeet range this year also.

Aaargh. Keep rubbin' it in.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:30 PM (EgshT)

224 Honestly, very few calibers are metric-only. We gave them 9mm Parabellum because it sounded kind of cool. Most of the rest we kept in normal, masculine nomenclature.

.223 vs 5.56,
.308 vs 7.62 x 51

Manly calibers include .45LC, .454 Casull and .460S&W, which, coincidentally, can be fired from the same handgun.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:30 PM (lD3vL)

225 Notorious BFD @ 211- There won't be no grenades (green or notherwise) at the TxMoMe. Yo.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:31 PM (UUkQp)

226 Notorious BFD, We have added a skeet range this year also.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:29 PM (FyBLL)


Dang. Shooting skeet is a hoot.

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 13, 2019 08:31 PM (aS1PU)

227 I will add that the 'millimeter' factor is also a good argument for .40S&W over 10mm.
Posted by: Lazy Messenger at October 13, 2019 08:28 PM


Except for the fact that, in this instance, the S&W stands for Short & Weak.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 08:31 PM (DMUuz)

228 There won't be no grenades (green or notherwise) at the TxMoMe. Yo.

Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:32 PM (EgshT)

229 I say it's high time we bombed those nato bastards Into the stone age.

They are well on their way without our help.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:32 PM (lD3vL)

230 183 .. Thinking about it, European stuff like 9mm and the various Mauser calibers are soiboi metric. True blue American calibers are decimals of an inch, as prescribed in Scripture: 38 special, 357 magnum, 30 caliber rife calibers, 32 long and similar and, of course, 45 Colt. You get the idea. Guess which system gets more use in my reloading room.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 08:33 PM (bmdz3)

231 A grenade with no pin is no friend of yours.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:34 PM (jpV2c)

232 N-BFD, I'll make it worse. hogmartin and AltonJackson have their own feral hog hunt also.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:34 PM (FyBLL)

233 So an M79 Thumper is right out?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 08:34 PM (DMUuz)

234 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at October 13, 2019 08:34 PM (9Y7/Z)

235 A grenade with no pin is no friend of yours.

Meh. Just toss it through the front door.

Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at October 13, 2019 08:35 PM (EgshT)

236 Very nice!
Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:30 PM

Always a great time. This will be done again. Young Moron in training.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2019 08:35 PM (P5uiK)

237 No tannerite? But tannerite is FUN!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 13, 2019 08:35 PM (NWiLs)

238 The gun shows I went to in Virginia were a mixed bag. One of the vendors (Dark Sun) was selling for less than WalMart, so that was pretty good.

Posted by: FloridaMa at October 13, 2019 08:36 PM (InBA3)

239 Blooper gun?

Trained -203 grenadier here. USAF training that is. Ladder sight? Heck no, we shot at the open car windows like a regular EBR.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:36 PM (jpV2c)

240 So an M79 Thumper is right out?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 08:34 PM (DMUuz)


https://stoatnet.org/m32.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:36 PM (t+qrx)

241 This was my strategy for building up an ammo inventory on a budget:

1. Buy Cabelas/Bass Pro/Dicks gift cards at a discount of roughly 15%. They offer these regularly and legitimately at SVM Gift Cards on ebay. There are also reputable discounted gift card resellers. Check GiftCardGranny for current pricing.

2. Wait for a store sale (i.e 15% off, $20 off $100)

3. Preferably, coinciding with a product sale or rebate (i.e. "Good Brand" 9mm for $10 or less per box)

4. Stock up, stacking a 15% + 15% + 15% discount for something like 40-50% off

Using that strategy and a little patience, I could regularly add 9mm to my inventory for 15-17 cents/round and .22LR for 4-7 cents/round.
I hope that information is helpful to other in the Horde.

Posted by: cool breeze at October 13, 2019 08:36 PM (UGKMd)

242 The 9mm is the caliber of the Uzi so it gets a pass from me.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 13, 2019 08:36 PM (2DOZq)

243 To be fair, the one big metric caliber is 9mm and who invented it?

The Germans.

The Germans have made some awesome guns. They've earned a caliber - even if it's in metric.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:37 PM (cfSRQ)

244 N-BFD, I'll make it worse. hogmartin and AltonJackson have their own feral hog hunt also.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:34 PM


This is Texas. One could say the feral hogs have their own hogmartin and AltonJackson hunt.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 08:38 PM (DMUuz)

245 Posted by: cool breeze at October 13, 2019 08:36 PM (UGKMd)
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That's a great method for saving. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

246 A new gun thread Motto

Women of low maintenance and guns of high caliber!

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:39 PM (FyBLL)

247 I have a 20-ga Mossberg, a home-defense weapon
Posted by: Annalucia at October 13, 2019 07:06 PM (S6ArX)

Me too. And I view it more dearly since I read the (sad) statistics on the stopping power of my night table gun, a Ruger MkIII .22. Gonna need a bigger gun...

Posted by: FloridaMa at October 13, 2019 08:39 PM (InBA3)

248 I'd also suggest that the Kaiser's Germany wasn't exactly swamped with limp-wristed soyboys.

The metric cartridges were probably the last gasp of actual backbone and European pride in their nations.

After that it was communism, fascism and then nihilism.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

249 "Flammables" cabinets are normally painted a bright yellow, with "Flammables" a prominent decal or stencil (in red) on the door.

I like how in the 1970s, truck carrying petroleum and other inflammable products had to change the signage by dropping the "in" part because products of our government education system thought that "Inflammable" meant that the contents wouldn't burn.

Because labeling cargo with a sign telling people what dangerous thing it won't do sounds like something government would mandate.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:40 PM (lD3vL)

250
WTF is going on? I'm scared!!!!!

Posted by: Spun & Murky at October 13, 2019 08:40 PM (4DCSq)

251 Posted by: cool breeze at October 13, 2019 08:36 PM (UGKMd)

The gift card thing sounds too good to be true but it is true and it works!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 13, 2019 08:40 PM (BiNEL)

252 Or we hit a Wally World.

The Horde buys up their favorite calibers.

Then swipe discount card, any caliber not on clearance, instant 10% off before taxes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:41 PM (jpV2c)

253 .40 s&w = 10mm @ bullet diameter.

both are .400 inch

10mm is usually heavier bullet: 200gr vs 155/165/180gr @ .40cal

What do I win?

Posted by: ammo amirite? at October 13, 2019 08:41 PM (nIvDu)

254 Use to be that Big 5 sporting goods would send out coupons for $10 off a $30 purchase. Made a lot of $30-40 ammo purchases there until they changed the coupons to exclude ammo.

Posted by: Pix Hamp at October 13, 2019 08:42 PM (RBFmA)

255 I'll make it worse. hogmartin and AltonJackson have their own feral hog hunt also.

Yes, that makes it worse. Actually, I parted with my last .30-06 bolt gun a while back. I still have a .25-06 and suppose that would do the job with the right load and placement. In any event, I'll just have to remain envious.

Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at October 13, 2019 08:42 PM (EgshT)

256 A grenade with no pin is no friend of yours.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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*?*

So, no fan of timing air bursts, eh? Tch, tch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2019 08:42 PM (plu6+)

257 No tannerite? But tannerite is FUN!
Posted by: Insomniac at October 13, 2019 08:35 PM (N

That's one thing that I'm surprised by that I can walk into an Academy sports store and buy as much as I want just because it's packaged as two separate components.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 13, 2019 08:42 PM (2DOZq)

258 Ugh. Commie sock off.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:43 PM (EgshT)

259 The 9mm is the caliber of the Uzi so it gets a pass from me.

Fun Fact: The UZI can be found in .22, .45 ACP, .40 S&W, .41 AE, 10mm!

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)

260 Let's not be too hard on metric calibers. We do hav a fellow Moron building a 6.5x55 Swiss.

He has so much confidence that he's going to put a scope on it!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 08:44 PM (DMUuz)

261 258 Ugh. Commie sock off.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:43 PM (EgshT)

Daysocks!
Eveninksocks!
Svimsocks!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 13, 2019 08:44 PM (NWiLs)

262 Hi, my name is Eromero. I like 9mm. There. I said it. Probably have more 9mm gubs than any other caliber. The damn things do the job they were designed for, hence why we use them at work.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:44 PM (UUkQp)

263 Although, 10mm is longer round than .40 s-w, of course...

Posted by: ammo amirite? at October 13, 2019 08:45 PM (nIvDu)

264 >>248 I'd also suggest that the Kaiser's Germany wasn't exactly swamped with limp-wristed soyboys.
The metric cartridges were probably the last gasp of actual backbone and European pride in their nations.

"We remain unimpressed with the performance of our men in the field...they have disgraced the nation, and they are soy-boys..." -- Kaiser Wilhelm II, Spa, Belgium, November 1918.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:45 PM (hgpSN)

265 Anyone that likes reloading mil surp check out everglade ammo. I do 75gr 223 for 16 1/2 cents and 147gr 308 for 15. I usually end up at lucky gunner when I re up 762x39. all the rest of my calibers I don't shoot that much but I buy everything by the 1000 and 8lb cans if IMR 4895. I'm cheap but enjoy the hell out of shooting and I can shoot more this way.

Posted by: ck at October 13, 2019 08:45 PM (GXRoa)

266 Fun calibers have two numbers to them, and the second indicates grains of black powder in the cartridge.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:46 PM (t+qrx)

267 Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)

Now as with other classic firearms. Just meeting civilian demand.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 13, 2019 08:46 PM (2DOZq)

268 Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:44 PM (UUkQp)

I have three automatics and they're all 9mm. It's been dropping people since World War One. It's fine.

Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 08:47 PM (U7voe)

269 I would be interested in preferences for 9mm loads. If you have to pick just one for plinking, range, bedside.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2019 08:47 PM (plu6+)

270 Me too. And I view it more dearly since I read the (sad) statistics on
the stopping power of my night table gun, a Ruger MkIII .22. Gonna
need a bigger gun...


One thing interesting about that caliber debate study; if you look closely - while the .22 failed to end the highest number of fights - it did have a higher one shot kill rate than any of the pistol calibers studied. Talk to any trauma surgeon - they hate working on .22 wounds.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 08:47 PM (1Q15G)

271 ..That's one thing that I'm surprised by that I can walk into an Academy sports store and buy as much as I want just because it's packaged as two separate components.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 13, 2019 08:42 PM (2DOZq)



Don't mix your Tannerite until you're damn sure n' ready to use it.

Once mixed, it goes weak in a day, and I'm not sure of the "inert" working life, but it damn sure ain't all that long.

Along with the splodey chemicals, they also have a decaying catalyst in the mix, which breaks down the compounded product, by design.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 08:48 PM (QzJWU)

272 "We remain unimpressed with the performance of our
men in the field...they have disgraced the nation, and they are
soy-boys..." -- Kaiser Wilhelm II, Spa, Belgium, November 1918.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:45 PM (hgpSN)

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Kaiser Bill's not exactly an authority on smart moves or keen perception.


Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)

273 A new gun thread Motto

Women of low maintenance and guns of high caliber!
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:39 PM (FyBLL)

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Works for me.

Posted by: SMH at October 13, 2019 08:49 PM (RU4sa)

274 >>Talk to any trauma surgeon - they hate working on .22 wounds. Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 08:47 PM (1Q15G)

Sounds reasonable. A .22 bullet in the ribcage would be like a human pachinko machine.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:50 PM (hgpSN)

275 273 A new gun thread Motto

Women of low maintenance and guns of high caliber!
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 08:39 PM (FyBLL)

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Works for me.
Posted by: SMH at October 13, 2019 08:49 PM (RU4sa)
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I like it!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

276 Me too. And I view it more dearly since I read the
(sad) statistics on the stopping power of my night table gun, a Ruger
MkIII .22. Gonna need a bigger gun...

Posted by: FloridaMa at October 13, 2019 08:39 PM (InBA3)

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The .22 that hits has far more stopping power than the .45 that misses.

Always use what you are comfortable with. If you can put the .22 on the target, that's the ticket.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:51 PM (cfSRQ)

277 >>Kaiser Bill's not exactly an authority on smart moves or keen perception. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)

True. Not him, nor his shitty generals, nor their soy-boy landsers.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:51 PM (hgpSN)

278 Hi, my name is Eromero. I like 9mm. There. I said it. Probably have more 9mm gubs than any other caliber. The damn things do the job they were designed for, hence why we use them at work.
Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:44 PM (UUkQp)


Agree.

At one end is 5.5mm Velo-Dog. You can shoot something all day with it and not hurt anyone. At the other end is .559 Bearf***er. The concussion from firing each $8 cartridge feels like getting punched in the teeth, and it is suitable for air defense.

Somewhere in between are all the handgun cartridges that are effective and reasonable to shoot, and as long as you're using .380 or better, placement > power.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:51 PM (t+qrx)

279 Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 08:48 PM (QzJWU

I guess that's another reason why the ATF doesn't classify it as a restricted / regulated explosive. Just surprised they don't.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 13, 2019 08:51 PM (2DOZq)

280 Mike Hammer @ 369- 9mm 124 gr jhp at work, 9mm 135 gr jhp for carry and home defense, 9mm 155 gr/124/gr for range.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:51 PM (UUkQp)

281 Blooper gun?

Trained -203 grenadier here. USAF training that is. Ladder sight? Heck no, we shot at the open car windows like a regular EBR.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2019 08:36 PM (jpV2c)

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https://stoatnet.org/m32.jpg
Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:36 PM


Yah, Bloop Gun was another nickname for it. The ladder sight let you reach out 350-400 meters.

hogmartin, that looks like fun!

Fun fact: The 40mm grenades were spin armed. A grenadier carrying a bandolier or two of ammo was 'encouraged' to hit the deck away from everyone else in case of ambush, in case one had armed itself due to joggling while moving.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 08:53 PM (DMUuz)

282 Got home from the range about 30 minutes ago.

Weasel, I'm zeroed at 200 yards, ~1.5 moa (I'm a true amateur), with the Federal Premium 69 gr Sierra BTHP ammo. Acceptable baseline point for your MoMe exercise? I'm using an AR with a 24-inch barrel, 1 in 9 twist (the bullets seem to be stable; punching round holes at 200). Leupold Vari-X III, 20x max zoom.


Also, I patterned 2 different CCI 38 Spcl shotshells at 12 feet out of a 3-inch-barrelled revolver:

#9 shot (blue capsule): ~12-inch diameter;
#4 shot (red capsule): ~10.5-inch diameter.

Which one do you veterans and Ben Had recommended for MoMe pest extermination purposes?

Posted by: Gref at October 13, 2019 08:53 PM (AMIL/)

283 I would be interested in preferences for 9mm loads. If you have to pick just one for plinking, range, bedside.

I'm partial to Hornady Critical Duty for self defense applications. Good old Sellier Bellot works just fine for range and plinking.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 08:54 PM (EgshT)

284 Alternate Gun Thread Motto.

"High Caliber Guns and Women Who Like to BANG!"


*innocent look*

nope, that didn't work.

*baby who just shit his diaper grin*

yeah, that's the one!





Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 08:54 PM (QzJWU)

285 67 buzzion, I hope you had to buy a lot of raffle tickets to win the NOOD cup.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 07:31 PM (FyBLL)


Last night I won a cookbook, signed by Bluebell and Weasel. I won one last year as well, so I had the Dayton-area morons sign the copy I won last night, and I'm bringing it to you.

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 08:54 PM (TdMsT)

286 270 Me too. And I view it more dearly since I read the (sad) statistics on
the stopping power of my night table gun, a Ruger MkIII .22. Gonna
need a bigger gun...

One thing interesting about that caliber debate study; if you look closely - while the .22 failed to end the highest number of fights - it did have a higher one shot kill rate than any of the pistol calibers studied. Talk to any trauma surgeon - they hate working on .22 wounds.
Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 08:47 PM (1Q15G)

This.

.22 LR is bad for stopping power.
It's good for killing people, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 08:54 PM (xJa6I)

287 I would be interested in preferences for 9mm loads. If you have to pick just one for plinking, range, bedside.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2019 08:47 PM (plu6+)


Blazer Brass 124s for range, because I can get it cheap (about $0.19 a round) a few blocks away and I've had no complaints with it. Carry and bedside, Hornady Critical Defense FTX 115.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 08:55 PM (t+qrx)

288
Weasel, I'm zeroed at 200 yards, ~1.5 moa (I'm a true amateur), with the Federal Premium 69 gr Sierra BTHP ammo. Acceptable baseline point for your MoMe exercise? I'm using an AR with a 24-inch barrel, 1 in 9 twist (the bullets seem to be stable; punching round holes at 200). Leupold Vari-X III, 20x max zoom.
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Sounds good!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:55 PM (MVjcR)

289 Damnit Mike, that's 115 grain. Can't be humping around a single 155 much less 15/19 depending on mag. Heh.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 08:55 PM (UUkQp)

290 Jim, Change that to "Women who like to be bang on target. "

'Ettes are not sluts.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 08:56 PM (u82oZ)

291 Howdy, Horde. Once again late to the discussion. Just down from the mountain at Rancho Plan "B". Lemme finsih getting the truck unloaded and I'll be back

McGyver, Over

Posted by: McGyver at October 13, 2019 08:56 PM (gMngZ)

292 Winchester white box has been my plinking ammo for a long time and Federal Hydra shok has been my carry choice.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 13, 2019 08:57 PM (2DOZq)

293
'Ettes are not sluts.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 08:56 PM (u82oZ)


Thank you!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 08:57 PM (TdMsT)

294 >>.22 LR is bad for stopping power. It's good for killing people, though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 08:54 PM (xJa6I)

Grandpa Zod was always good for a Folgers can, a fencepost, a box of Remington .22, and the Marlin.

There are worse ways for a kid to kill an afternoon in rural Kansas.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 08:58 PM (hgpSN)

295 I submit our women are high caliber AND low maintenance. And pulchritudenous AND perspicacious.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 08:58 PM (DMUuz)

296 LadyL, I will be picking you up at Love Field. Has Ben Had given you my cell number?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 08:58 PM (u82oZ)

297 147 grain hollow points for my CC glock. 115, 124 or whatever for plinking.

Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 08:59 PM (U7voe)

298 269 I would be interested in preferences for 9mm loads. If you have to pick just one for plinking, range, bedside.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2019 08:47 PM (plu6+)

I mostly carry Hornady Critical defense, 9mm 124 gr or 115 JHP.

Lately been shooting a lot of Fiocci ball ammo

My 45's are all running 230 ball because it works.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 08:59 PM (xJa6I)

299 Duncanthrax

All of that is true, except low-maintenance.

IMHO, there is no such thing, for either sex, as low maintenance. But it depends on what you appreciate. One person's low maintenance is another's Joy Killer.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 09:01 PM (u82oZ)

300 Fun fact: The 40mm grenades were spin armed. A
grenadier carrying a bandolier or two of ammo was 'encouraged' to hit
the deck away from everyone else in case of ambush, in case one had
armed itself due to joggling while moving.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 08:53 PM (DMUuz)

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I often reflect with fondness at my all-to-brief Army training with such things.

It's about the only thing I miss about the Army.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)

301
296 LadyL, I will be picking you up at Love Field. Has Ben Had given you my cell number?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 08:58 PM (u82oZ)


How awfully kind of you, NaCly! My email address is ssgudz at yahoo dot com, if you wouldn't mind emailing it to me.

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:01 PM (TdMsT)

302 ..'Ettes are not sluts.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 08:56 PM (u82oZ)



Of COURSE they're not. Duh!

There will undoubtedly be more Ribald Humor than that, in person, at the Mo Meet. And that from many sources, other than me.

Oh, and you DID notice the *innocent look* and other addendum there, or does humor have to be spelled out to you in single syllable words in crayon?

GEEEZ, what's next? Trigger Warnings on the Gun Thread?

I mean, besides good Trigger Discipline, etc.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 09:01 PM (QzJWU)

303 My visit to my range this week was simply for research although, I did shoot.

Trying to decide on the next purchase:

CZ 75 SP-01 or
CZ 75 Compact

Still undecided. Need to go back. LOL

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2019 09:03 PM (Y4EXg)

304 Jim

You are a natural gentleman, and I'm going for cheap laughs.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 09:03 PM (u82oZ)

305 Stupid question, but wife and I are planning to stay at the MoMe now, rather than driving back to Dallas on Friday night. Where are people staying? Hampton Inn?

Posted by: In Exile at October 13, 2019 09:03 PM (SDmIR)

306 FWIW, ammo storage at casa mouse consists of watertight cases. Temps can fluctuate, but a good seal and some dry packs work wonders...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 13, 2019 09:04 PM (6qErC)

307 That's a great method for saving. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)


Thank you for hosting the Gun Thread!

My personal best was 5 cents for Remington 9mm (net of Remington rebate) and 3 cents for Remington .22LR, but I didn't want to make it sound like that is typical. Still, it is possible using this method and some patience. Regardless, it is a great way to have plenty of inventory and plenty for practice, without spending a lot.

Posted by: cool breeze at October 13, 2019 09:05 PM (UGKMd)

308 305 Stupid question, but wife and I are planning to stay at the MoMe now, rather than driving back to Dallas on Friday night. Where are people staying? Hampton Inn?
Posted by: In Exile at October 13, 2019 09:03 PM (SDmIR)
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I am!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

309 In Exile, No, The Hampton jacked their rates to double because of the car race. I will email you some info in the morning.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 09:05 PM (FyBLL)

310 Goddammit, I tried to post about 9mm brands and it kept getting rejected as spam. For range time I go with cheap 115gr usually. I've used Bla[z]er, S&B, PMC, Freedom Munitions and others without any significant problems I can think of

Posted by: Insomniac at October 13, 2019 09:05 PM (NWiLs)

311 Thanks, Weasel! See you there!

Posted by: In Exile at October 13, 2019 09:06 PM (SDmIR)

312 GEEEZ, what's next? Trigger Warnings on the Gun Thread?



I mean, besides good Trigger Discipline, etc.




Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 09:01 PM (QzJWU)

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Book thread was pretty ugly earlier today. Creeping 'wokeness', I guess.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:06 PM (cfSRQ)

313 Tony Pete @ 303- If those are your only choices, get the CZ75-SP-01. I have one and it's the cat's pajamas.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 09:06 PM (UUkQp)

314 I hate it when a 11mm Snowflake with a muzzle brake is triggered next to me on the line!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 09:06 PM (DMUuz)

315 Posted by: cool breeze at October 13, 2019 09:05 PM (UGKMd)
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My pleasure. Thank you for participating!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

316 PSA for everyone coming to the TXMoMe: if you plan on shooting, and there will be a lot of opportunities to do so, please bring some sort of hearing and eye protection!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)


I am bringing several extra hearing protectors and eye protection glasses for community use.

Posted by: Gref at October 13, 2019 09:06 PM (AMIL/)

317 Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 13, 2019 08:07 PM (lD3vL)

Sometimes I'm not sure he is!

Posted by: Grannymimi at October 13, 2019 09:07 PM (u5LFV)

318 LadyL, I posted the link to your first comment in the ONT, did you see it?

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:07 PM (Z7lwY)

319 ..You are a natural gentleman, and I'm going for cheap laughs.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 13, 2019 09:03 PM (u82oZ)



I'll have a good bourbon and premium cigar with your name on it, at the Mo Meet.

Thanks, amigo!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 09:07 PM (QzJWU)

320 Got a room at Best Western. A lot of other places were full.

Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 09:07 PM (U7voe)

321 37 Hi everyone!
Posted by: PicklePete

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Dude! Pleased to see you irl yesterday!

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM (Y4EXg)

322 I'd go with the CZ SP-01 from that list too.

I'm very happy with my P07. Very nice.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM (xJa6I)

323 Oh, and your second comment at the HQ was, "What's a poofter?"

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM (Z7lwY)

324 320 Got a room at Best Western. A lot of other places were full.
Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 09:07 PM (U7voe)

Next Best Western probably has vacancies.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM (NWiLs)

325 Sorry to hear about bad experiences with PSA. I've built 8 of their rifles and bought 2100 rounds of Israeli 556 (30 cents delivered). All orders have been correct and shipped within 2 days(if you live in the west UPS is slower than molasses in winter). I had 1 308 with incorrect headspace and they exchanged and upgraded to stainless barrel. So, all things considered for 24 orders I'd have to give them an A+.

Posted by: ck at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM (GXRoa)

326 Hey, did anyone ever get back to the 9mm Largo vs Parabellum question?

I saw someone talk about the feed issue, but is the pressure difference that significant?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM (cfSRQ)

327 What car race, BH?

Posted by: SMH at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM (RU4sa)

328 311 Thanks, Weasel! See you there!
Posted by: In Exile at October 13, 2019 09:06 PM (SDmIR)
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Sounds good. Check what BH sends you though. The Hampton rates are nutty this weekend

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

329 318 LadyL, I posted the link to your first comment in the ONT, did you see it?
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:07 PM (Z7lwY)


Yes! I went through the entire thread. It was hysterical. And the comments went on and on. And some of the morons were MEAN to me! How did you find the thread?

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:09 PM (TdMsT)

330 Blazer is Yang worship word.

Posted by: Cloud William at October 13, 2019 09:09 PM (yQpMk)

331
Daysocks!
Eveninksocks!
Svimsocks!
Posted by: Insomniac


Does Wendy's have an impossible single?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2019 09:10 PM (aKsyK)

332
Oh, and your second comment at the HQ was, "What's a poofter?"

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM[/o]

snort

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 13, 2019 09:10 PM (KCxzN)

333 I saw someone talk about the feed issue, but is the pressure difference that significant?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM (cfSRQ)

I have heard (take that for what it's worth) that it's not safe to shoot Parabellum in Largo guns. Higher pressure and the springs and lockwork are usually not up to it. So it might work... A few times, and then stop working.

Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 09:10 PM (U7voe)

334 15 new gun control laws in CA. THIS WEEK

Posted by: MAxIE at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (9TR2V)

335 Yes! I went through the entire thread. It was hysterical. And the comments went on and on. And some of the morons were MEAN to me! How did you find the thread?
Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:09 PM (TdMsT)

Hazing

Posted by: Insomniac at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (NWiLs)

336 BTW Buzzion, congratulations for being the prodigy of the range last night!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (TdMsT)

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (KCxzN)

338 SMH, there is some big NASCAR race that same weekend and when I called the Hampton about a block of rooms they said no can do and the room rate went from 100+ to 225 a night.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (FyBLL)

339 Halfway through The Last Jedi. It is pretty bad.

Posted by: jhawk90 at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (T8jqv)

340 Hazing
Posted by: Insomniac at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (NWiLs)


I'll say!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (TdMsT)

341 Oh, and your second comment at the HQ was, "What's a poofter?"

Against the rules!

Posted by: Bruce at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (NWiLs)

342 332
Oh, and your second comment at the HQ was, "What's a poofter?"

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:08 PM[/o]

snort
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 13, 2019 09:10 PM (KCxzN)


Is it my fault I've lived a quiet life?

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:12 PM (TdMsT)

343 I'd be content to sleep in my tent if I could make it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 09:12 PM (EgshT)

344 339 Halfway through The Last Jedi. It is pretty bad.
Posted by: jhawk90 at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (T8jqv)

SPOILER ALERT:














It just sucks harder the further along it goes.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 13, 2019 09:12 PM (NWiLs)

345 Sig Sauer 180 Grain V-Crown JHP 10mm - 1250 fps...on sale at Cheaper than dirt for $15.31 a box of 20 rd boxes...usually $24.00 bucks a box. My Springfield Armory XDM loves them!

Posted by: Tentotwo at October 13, 2019 09:12 PM (yhf6w)

346 Just got here! Did I miss anything good???

Guess I'll have to read the content.

Posted by: RI Red at October 13, 2019 09:12 PM (e5186)

347 How did you find the thread?

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:09 PM (TdMsT)



I searched for your name and "rules." Probably was made easier that I'm guessing you didn't stick with that name too long so there are probably fewer threads. Probably wouldn't have found it if you started with LadyLibertarian right away.

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:13 PM (Z7lwY)

348 Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable
Heidegger Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table

Posted by: Bruce at October 13, 2019 09:14 PM (NWiLs)

349 346 Just got here! Did I miss anything good???

Guess I'll have to read the content.
Posted by: RI Red at October 13, 2019 09:12 PM (e5186)
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Howdy amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

350

I searched for your name and "rules." Probably was made easier that I'm guessing you didn't stick with that name too long so there are probably fewer threads. Probably wouldn't have found it if you started with LadyLibertarian right away.
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:13 PM (Z7lwY)


So you had to search post by post?

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:15 PM (TdMsT)

351 N-BFD, there are some people that are bringing tents and there a lot of RV's.

This is a very user friendly MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 09:15 PM (FyBLL)

352 Even grammie winger was mean to LadyL

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:15 PM (Z7lwY)

353 Hey, did anyone ever get back to the 9mm Largo vs Parabellum question?


Have you considered just buying a 9mm Largo barrel?

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (1Q15G)

354 I have heard (take that for what it's worth) that
it's not safe to shoot Parabellum in Largo guns. Higher pressure and
the springs and lockwork are usually not up to it. So it might work... A
few times, and then stop working.

Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 09:10 PM (U7voe)

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That's what I thought as well.

Funny how there are a number of calibers that are *just close enough* to cause trouble.

Checking back it appears to be a magazine feed issue and it seems to me easier to alter the magazine than rechamber the barrel.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (cfSRQ)

355 I am now the proud possessor of a New York City Restricted Handgun Permit ( Premises), and I have purchased my first firearm ever. A Sig Sauer P226 RX Legion in 9mm.
I will not be picking this up until I get back from a road trip. I am currently in Florida visiting relatives and hope to be back Tuesday. I plan on picking up the gun Wednesday and on Thursday bring it down to 1 Police Plaza to have it "inspected ".
After that I am hitting the range!! Wooo Hooo!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (BG1XZ)

356 334 15 new gun control laws in CA. THIS WEEK
Posted by: MAxIE at October 13, 2019 09:11 PM (9TR2V

It's total bullshit. Someone told me they tried to buy ammo and they couldn't because their gun wasn't "registered".
That's coffee shop talk so who knows.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (7bcfy)

357 FyBLL)

352 Even grammie winger was mean to LadyL
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:15 PM (Z7lwY)


She was, a bit. It's was pretty funny.

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (TdMsT)

358 Fun fact: The 40mm grenades were spin armed. A
grenadier carrying a bandolier or two of ammo was 'encouraged' to hit the deck away from everyone else in case of ambush, in case one had armed itself due to joggling while moving.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 08:53 PM (DMUuz)

Designing soldier- and sailor-safe artillery shell fuses is an art. I don't know how complex the 40mm grenade fuse safeties are, but most artillery fuses use a spin-released safety mechanism. An interesting comment by Ian Hogg (I think), based on his military experiences in the 40s and 50s: The British design safe fuses and struggle to make them work; the Americans design fuses that work and struggle to make them safe.

Posted by: Gref at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (AMIL/)

359 355 I am now the proud possessor of a New York City Restricted Handgun Permit ( Premises), and I have purchased my first firearm ever. A Sig Sauer P226 RX Legion in 9mm.
I will not be picking this up until I get back from a road trip. I am currently in Florida visiting relatives and hope to be back Tuesday. I plan on picking up the gun Wednesday and on Thursday bring it down to 1 Police Plaza to have it "inspected ".
After that I am hitting the range!! Wooo Hooo!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (BG1XZ)
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Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

360 I have a ton of Hilton points (ex-consultant), so the cash rate doesn't bother me too much. Will wait to see what weasel sends, though. I'm so excited to meet some like minded folks. Don't have a ton of cool toys to bring, but will bring what I have!

Posted by: In Exile at October 13, 2019 09:18 PM (SDmIR)

361 Ahhh, ammo. Like candy, never enough.

Posted by: RI Red at October 13, 2019 09:18 PM (e5186)

362 Posted by: CaliGirl at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (7bcfy)
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Hi CaliGirl!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:18 PM (MVjcR)

363 and I have purchased my first firearm ever.

We accept him--one of us--gooble, gobble--we accept him--one of us--gooble, gobble...

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 09:18 PM (yQpMk)

364 Even grammie winger was mean to LadyL
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:15 PM


Probably high on her own supply of lutefisk.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 09:18 PM (DMUuz)

365 Have you considered just buying a 9mm Largo barrel?


Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (1Q15G)

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It wasn't my question, I was just curious if it was answered.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:18 PM (cfSRQ)

366 Congrats, Scuba_Dude!

Posted by: In Exile at October 13, 2019 09:18 PM (SDmIR)

367 So you had to search post by post?

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:15 PM (TdMsT)



No, if you want to search the site just use "site:acecomments.mu.nu" along with whatever you're searching for in a search engine. Sometimes you can get lucky and it's one of the first couple results. Other times you won't be successful.

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:18 PM (Z7lwY)

368 Probably high on her own supply of lutefisk.

Possibly on a jello salad binge.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 09:19 PM (EgshT)

369 Weasel,

I heard a part of this on the radio in the car today. Give it a listen in your copious free time and see how well it applies to your coaching.

https://tinyurl.com/y29ombyx (Link to NPR)

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 13, 2019 09:19 PM (qc+VF)

370 I guess I'll bring the AK74 and Vepr. The Horde will collude with Russia and Bulgaria a bit

Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2019 09:19 PM (U7voe)

371 360 I have a ton of Hilton points (ex-consultant), so the cash rate doesn't bother me too much. Will wait to see what weasel sends, though. I'm so excited to meet some like minded folks. Don't have a ton of cool toys to bring, but will bring what I have!
Posted by: In Exile at October 13, 2019 09:18 PM (SDmIR)
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I think Ben Had is sending you some alternatives to the Hampton. If you end up there, see you at breakfast!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:20 PM (MVjcR)

372 For instance it took me forever to find the post where I was killed but I did eventually.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358675

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:20 PM (Z7lwY)

373 355 I am now the proud possessor of a New York City Restricted Handgun Permit ( Premises), and I have purchased my first firearm ever. A Sig Sauer P226 RX Legion in 9mm.

Congratulations!

I will not be picking this up until I get back from a road trip. I am currently in Florida visiting relatives and hope to be back Tuesday. I plan on picking up the gun Wednesday and on Thursday bring it down to 1 Police Plaza to have it "inspected ".

Ah. Where the nice men in snappy Hugo Boss uniforms will ask to zee your paperz.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 13, 2019 09:20 PM (NWiLs)

374 Well, on the PLUS side, besides Hillary Clinton`s ass, .300 blackout ammo is coming way down in price~...

Posted by: Tentotwo at October 13, 2019 09:21 PM (yhf6w)

375 Scuba_Dude, congratulations on you first gub purchase, I hope you have unlimited disposable income and a canoe.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 09:22 PM (UUkQp)

376 Ah. Where the nice men in snappy Hugo Boss uniforms will ask to zee your paperz.

LOL, my friend in Texas is surprised I was not put in interrogations when I first applied.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:22 PM (3I7GG)

377 For instance it took me forever to find the post where I was killed but I did eventually.


It was a sad day but like the Phoenix from the ashes...

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2019 09:22 PM (EgshT)

378 An interesting comment by Ian Hogg (I think), based
on his military experiences in the 40s and 50s: The British design safe
fuses and struggle to make them work; the Americans design fuses that
work and struggle to make them safe.

Posted by: Gref at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (AMIL/)

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Ian Hogg has written a number of books on guns that I used to respect, but as I've started shooting the guns he talks about, I begin to have doubts.

I've got a Webley .455. The official version is that it was "too powerful," so they switched to an oddball .38.

Unless the loads are dramatically different. .455 Webley is a very soft round to shoot out of the massive Mk VI. A 9mm gives more of a report. I was actually disappointed. My C96 has far more noise and recoil, and no one ever writes about how brutal the Broomhandle was to shoot.

Anyhow, I've been doubting a lot of the conventional firearms lore more and more as I've gotten a chance to experience it first-hand.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)

379 369 Weasel,

I heard a part of this on the radio in the car today. Give it a listen in your copious free time and see how well it applies to your coaching.

https://tinyurl.com/y29ombyx (Link to NPR)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 13, 2019 09:19 PM (qc+VF)
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I like to scream and yell and cuss and throw things to reinforce concepts. Didn't I mention that?

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:22 PM (MVjcR)

380
I plan on picking up the gun Wednesday and on Thursday bring it down to 1 Police Plaza to have it "inspected ".

What if they say it "fails" inspection?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2019 09:24 PM (aKsyK)

381 Eromero, the canoe purchase was done before the gun purchase (nudge nudge wink wink).

While I am in Florida and driving back I am tempted to pick up ammo on the way back.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:24 PM (3I7GG)

382
minor range report from the SW Ohio MoMe yesterday;

the Heritage Rough Rider in .22WMR was a big hit; everyone who shot it walked away smiling

the only gun anyone liked more that the Rough Rider was the 1911, because of course they did

really nice range, Vandalia Range & Armory. had one of those "video arcade" set-ups (first time I'd ever seem that kind of system), it was wicked cool.

& props to Buzzion for shooting the center out of the target with whatever he was handed to shoot.

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 13, 2019 09:25 PM (KCxzN)

383 I plan on picking up the gun Wednesday and on Thursday bring it down to 1 Police Plaza to have it "inspected ".

Make sure you obey all of their arcane "travel with your gun" rules - there is nothing the NYPD enjoys more than a good game of "Gotcha" at your expense.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 09:25 PM (1Q15G)

384 So just a red dot?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 13, 2019 07:52 PM (yQpMk)

Any eye surgeries in Mrs. Grumps past? RK and lasik can make red dots difficult to use. I get six dots, of varying brightness, arranged in a horizontal arc in my Vortex red dot. I zeroed it for the leftmost dot and it works for me but confusing.

Posted by: Agitator at October 13, 2019 09:26 PM (VP1T8)

385 "Isn't 9mm Largo very similar in terms of pressure? Are the bullet diameters that different?"

Same diameter, Largo case is longer by two millimeters.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 09:28 PM (j4zcI)

386 382 Alton

It was such a treat to meet you IRL! Thanks, also, for bringing The Moron Banner!

Posted by: ibguy at October 13, 2019 09:28 PM (EHVbt)

387
Any eye surgeries in Mrs. Grumps past? RK and lasik can make red dots difficult to use. I get six dots, of varying brightness, arranged in a horizontal arc in my Vortex red dot. I zeroed it for the leftmost dot and it works for me but confusing.
Posted by: Agitator at October 13, 2019 09:26 PM (VP1T
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Interesting. I never thought about that.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

388
it was my pleasure, ibguy

good times

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 13, 2019 09:28 PM (KCxzN)

389 Ah, the Moron Banner.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 09:31 PM (t+qrx)

390 Before the ONT comes along and kicks us to the curb, thanks for tuning in this week everyone.

And for all of you headed for Texas, I'm really looking forward to seeing you and doing some shooting together!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

391 I am now the proud possessor of a New York City Restricted Handgun Permit (Premises)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:16 PM (BG1XZ)


How on earth did you do that? Is that what you get with the AoSHQ Unobtainium level membership?

Posted by: cool breeze at October 13, 2019 09:31 PM (UGKMd)

392 An Observation, Yes, the gun will have the be empty, no mags and the trigger lock on in a locked case. Which I will keep in a bag so no one knows what I have on me.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:31 PM (BG1XZ)

393 372 For instance it took me forever to find the post where I was killed but I did eventually.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358675
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:20 PM (Z7lwY)


I just went through the thread. You had a very heartwarming send off!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:32 PM (TdMsT)

394 No pics of the moron banner?

Posted by: Infidel at October 13, 2019 09:32 PM (OM4Ma)

395 If you don't happen to be carrying and are set upon by commies, do it like this guy:

1 MAGA guy vs 8 Antifa

https://gab.com/PoisonDartPepe/posts/102957663939957164

Posted by: Monty James at October 13, 2019 09:32 PM (aNZO8)

396 Ditto what Weasel said.

The TX Horde is so pleased at having so many of you joining us.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 09:33 PM (FyBLL)

397 "Have you considered just buying a 9mm Largo barrel?"

Yep, but near impossible to find. Plus, the Spaniards did A LOT of hand-fitting, so it's unlikely to be a drop-in proposition.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 09:33 PM (j4zcI)

398 Same diameter, Largo case is longer by two millimeters.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 09:28 PM (j4zcI)

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Hey! You're still here.

So the issue seems to be magazines, which while annoying, is probably easier (and cheaper) to fix than doing a rechambering.

*Not an expert on 9mm Largo disclaimer*

You might be able to mod the magazines to get a better feed. Off the top of my *not an expert disclaimer* head, it would seem to me easier to insert a shim into the mag and file down the follower than have your barrel altered.

Consulting a talented gunsmith would be helpful.

Note: don't use the dolt who "solved" the problem of my Dreyse having the wrong mag by simply cutting a notch into it without filing it down, ensuring that inserting more than five round WILL guarantee feed problems.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:34 PM (cfSRQ)

399 Cool Breeze, I am sworn to secrecy on that subject. LOL

Seriously, I really thought it would be denied given the current Mayor and climate of gun grabbing idiots.

I was pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:34 PM (BG1XZ)

400 AltonJackson, again, thanks for bringing The Moron Banner and allowing us to deface, uh, sign it!

Very nice meeting you irl.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2019 09:34 PM (Y4EXg)

401 Great prices on hi-capacity pistol and rifle magazines...
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/

Posted by: Tentotwo at October 13, 2019 09:34 PM (yhf6w)

402 Well damn, I just heard 'zombie' for the first time on TWD. Was I hallucinating?

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 09:35 PM (UUkQp)

403
It was such a treat to meet you IRL! Thanks, also, for bringing The Moron Banner!
Posted by: ibguy at October 13, 2019 09:28 PM (EHVbt)


Thank you for organizing and hosting the Mome, Ibguy. You did such a great job and I had a blast! Even though I didn't go to the range... It was so nice to see old and new faces!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:35 PM (TdMsT)

404 Taro Tsujimoto

Whoa, blast from the past. Nice to see you!

Posted by: Infidel at October 13, 2019 09:35 PM (OM4Ma)

405 When I was young and dumb I had a single shot sawed off shotgun I brought with me when I moved to NYC. It scares me thinking of what could have happened to me if ever discovered by the authorities.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 13, 2019 09:35 PM (2DOZq)

406 399
Cool Breeze, I am sworn to secrecy on that subject. LOL



Seriously, I really thought it would be denied given the current Mayor and climate of gun grabbing idiots.



I was pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:34 PM (BG1XZ)


It's a trap!

Posted by: Admiral Akbar at October 13, 2019 09:35 PM (L2A48)

407 400 AltonJackson, again, thanks for bringing The Moron Banner and allowing us to deface, uh, sign it!

Very nice meeting you irl.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2019 09:34 PM (Y4EXg)

Yes! I was so pleased to meet you, AltonJackson!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:36 PM (TdMsT)

408 15 new gun control laws in CA. THIS WEEK

And everyone of them not only unconstitutional, but a federal felony for any armed police officer to enforce. The only good news is that you can sue any such officer personally under 42 U.S. Code 1983 and they don't have any kind of immunity to the lawsuit.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 09:36 PM (1Q15G)

409 >>the current Mayor and climate of gun grabbing idiots.

Beto O'Rourke will take your firearm now, citizen. Resistance is futile.

Posted by: Zod at October 13, 2019 09:37 PM (hgpSN)

410 Clarification: by "shim" I mean a thin piece of steel along the appropriate side of the magazine (depending on the dimensions).

Basically, you'd be necking down the mag to get a tighter fit on a smaller round so they don't wobble around in there.

Another question: Does it lock open on empty? You could basically use it in single-fire mode until you find the right mags.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (cfSRQ)

411
I just went through the thread. You had a very heartwarming send off!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:32 PM (TdMsT)



I think the thread or two after that was even better.

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (Z7lwY)

412
thanks, everyone

the pleasure was all mine

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (KCxzN)

413 Ladyl, did you see the message from your knight in shining armor upthread?

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (FyBLL)

414 I probably have 12-15K in various calibers.

3K or so 30-06 I got from CMP a decade or so ago. Lake City ex boxed and Greek in clips on bandoleers.

3-4K 5.45x39. It was so cheap I just started buying 2K at a time when I went in the R guns store looking for other things. Had to buy a rifle eventually, AK-74 Tantal to go with it

A few thousand each of .30 carbine, .303, 5.56, 7.62x54R, 9mm, 9mm mak, .45, 8mm, bunch of spent brass for when I start reloading. Not to mention .22. A hundred or so rounds in another 3-4 calibers.

I believe in the costco model with ammo. See a great deal, see a surplus caliber that is getting a bit short here or there, buy it and stock u. It wont go bad and won't get any cheaper.

Posted by: Keith at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (jdGlx)

415

I think the thread or two after that was even better.
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (Z7lwY)

I'll go through those, too!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (TdMsT)

416 "You might be able to mod the magazines to get a better feed."

I've been ruminating on that. I was playing around with different mags and found that a SW M39 spring and follower fits. A shim should be easy enough. I think I'll try it.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 09:39 PM (j4zcI)

417 When I was young and dumb I had a single shot sawed off shotgun I brought with me when I moved to NYC. It scares me thinking of what could have happened to me if ever discovered by the authorities.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions

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Are we brothers? During that period of my life I came into knowledge of a device that looked like a big pen. It held one .410 shell.

Shot it once and decided that since God spared my life I would never do that again. Long since gone.

Would have gone to jail forever for that one.

Jeebus I was stupid.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2019 09:39 PM (Y4EXg)

418 413 Ladyl, did you see the message from your knight in shining armor upthread?
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (FyBLL)


Yes! And I'm so grateful for his generosity! Did you see my message to you, up-thread?

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:40 PM (TdMsT)

419 It is ridiculous that every time I buy a handgun I have to bring it down to 1PP. And they only do inspections between 12-2 M-F. So I basically have to take a day of from work as I am NOT bringing a gun, even an empty one locked 3 ways to Sunday into work.
And I am only permitted to purchase 1 firearm every 90 days and only after I get a purchase authorization approved

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:40 PM (3I7GG)

420 Hi. Infidel! Yeah, Sundays are usually too late for me to be up yammerin' on guns, but I'm on vacay.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (j4zcI)

421 Weasel, my apologies if I in any way sullied the Gun Thread tonight.

Alas, I'm going to have to miss the ONT, due to an unusual midnight passenger run. Hunnert n' sixty miles, here I come!

Hasta la nite nite, Horde!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (QzJWU)

422 Of course, since I didn't go to the SWOHMoMe, I didn't get called in to work. If I'd been out of the state, I would have. I'm not complaining, but I kind of am a little bit

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (t+qrx)

423 378 ... "I've got a Webley .455. The official version is that it was "too powerful," so they switched to an oddball .38."

The Brits have some odd ideas about recoil and power in handguns. In the first James Bond movie, Bond is forced to give up his 32 acp for his signature PPS in 380. The armorer described the 380 power like a brick through a plate glass window or words to that effect.

I'm not saying the .380 is ineffective, but iti sn't exactly a powerhouse round either.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (bmdz3)

424 and i was busy, making me totes forget the gub thread.

but, since i was weilding a nail gub, i ought to be forgiven.

not sure exactly how much ammo is on hand, but enough so that Gavin Newsom would stroke right the F out if he saw it would be an accurate description.

Posted by: redc1c4, the ONT Rx Tech at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (tjNqg)

425 419 It is ridiculous that every time I buy a handgun I have to bring it down to 1PP. And they only do inspections between 12-2 M-F. So I basically have to take a day of from work as I am NOT bringing a gun, even an empty one locked 3 ways to Sunday into work.
And I am only permitted to purchase 1 firearm every 90 days and only after I get a purchase authorization approved
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:40 PM (3I7GG)
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Man, that sucks.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

426 419
It is ridiculous that every time I buy a handgun I have to bring it down
to 1PP. And they only do inspections between 12-2 M-F. So I basically
have to take a day of from work as I am NOT bringing a gun, even an
empty one locked 3 ways to Sunday into work.

And I am only permitted to purchase 1 firearm every 90 days and only after I get a purchase authorization approved

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:40 PM (3I7GG)


Easier than buying a copy of Huckleberry Finn.

Posted by: Barack at October 13, 2019 09:42 PM (L2A48)

427 Jeebus I was stupid.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2019 09:39 PM (Y4EXg)

What exactly did you shoot it at?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2019 09:42 PM (ycWCI)

428 421 Weasel, my apologies if I in any way sullied the Gun Thread tonight.

Alas, I'm going to have to miss the ONT, due to an unusual midnight passenger run. Hunnert n' sixty miles, here I come!

Hasta la nite nite, Horde!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (QzJWU)
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Huh? If you did, I missed it! All good, brother.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

429 Scuba_Dude, get your ass to Texas (in Arnold voice).

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 09:44 PM (UUkQp)

430 TT, not sure I'm going to make the ONT. I'm wilting fast.

Glad all the OH moron had fun.

Posted by: Infidel at October 13, 2019 09:44 PM (OM4Ma)

431 I've been ruminating on that. I was playing around
with different mags and found that a SW M39 spring and follower fits. A
shim should be easy enough. I think I'll try it.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 09:39 PM (j4zcI)

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Let us know how that goes.

One thing with vintage firearms: sometimes you have to bust out the file.

You shudder, sweat and tremble, but not all the parts were made to spec. A couple of passes or mods can make a big difference.

My multi-year torment with the C96 and then the Dreyse have given me a lot of lessons in this.

As I see it, there are two ways to approaching vintage/obscure firearms.

The collector doesn't touch them, but instead sticks them under glass. All well and good.

But the shooter knows that machines need to be tweaked and sometimes you have to get in there and change stuff.

Just be sure you know which group you're in before you reach for a tool...

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:44 PM (cfSRQ)

432 LadyL, I did and that is too kind.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2019 09:44 PM (FyBLL)

433 425 419 It is ridiculous that every time I buy a handgun I have to bring it down to 1PP. And they only do inspections between 12-2 M-F. So I basically have to take a day of from work as I am NOT bringing a gun, even an empty one locked 3 ways to Sunday into work.
And I am only permitted to purchase 1 firearm every 90 days and only after I get a purchase authorization approved
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:40 PM


None o'that crap in Tejas. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 09:45 PM (DMUuz)

434 So, question for you all.

Did I go overboard buying the gun that I did? My nephew thinks I should have started with a revolver
But I have been shooting for about a year now with my nephew. He has a nice collection of rifles, shotguns and handguns that I used, and I figured at my age might as well get what I want.
Besides, when I kick the bucket many years from now my nephew will inherit all my guns. LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:46 PM (3I7GG)

435 427 Jeebus I was stupid.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2019 09:39 PM (Y4EXg)

What exactly did you shoot it at?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2019 09:42 PM (ycWCI)
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Remind me sometime to tell you guys the story about my MIL, a prison made zip-gun, and flying commercial to Florida from DC with it. Loaded.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

436 422 Of course, since I didn't go to the SWOHMoMe, I didn't get called in to work. If I'd been out of the state, I would have. I'm not complaining, but I kind of am a little bit
Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (t+qrx)

We were all sorry that you couldn't be there. it was a great evening!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:47 PM (TdMsT)

437
Easier than buying a copy of Huckleberry Finn.
Posted by: Barack


Haven't they banned that, yet?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2019 09:47 PM (aKsyK)

438 What exactly did you shoot it at?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Inside the barn at an old, worn out door. Punched a good side hole in it - I was pretty close.

Burned my hands from the gases, temporarily deafened me and damn near tore my hands from my arms.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2019 09:47 PM (Y4EXg)

439 For instance it took me forever to find the post where I was killed but I did eventually.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358675
Posted by: buzzion
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Hmm. Didn't Grammie off Fenelon? Or was it the other way around?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2019 09:48 PM (hnyqs)

440 Eremo, when and if I do retire I am looking at both Texas and Florida to move to.
I was in Texas visiting a friend last year.
We were in Houston and he took me to a range there where I shot his guns and I rented out a fully automatic.
IT
WAS
AMAZING

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:48 PM (3I7GG)

441 Remind me sometime to tell you guys the story about my MIL, a prison made zip-gun, and flying commercial to Florida from DC with it. Loaded.
Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

Shudder to think how they smuggled in the bullets for that one.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2019 09:48 PM (ycWCI)

442 "The collector doesn't touch them, but instead sticks them under glass. All well and good.

But the shooter knows that machines need to be tweaked and sometimes you have to get in there and change stuff.

Just be sure you know which group you're in before you reach for a tool..."

Words of wisdom, Lloyd. Words... of... wisdom.

Love tinkering with the old girls.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 09:48 PM (j4zcI)

443 415

I think the thread or two after that was even better.
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (Z7lwY)

I'll go through those, too!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:38 PM (TdMsT)




Well it carried on through to the ONT. here's the one you'll probably enjoy most.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358682


I'm just sad I don't have ace's moving tribute from the sidebar to me.

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:48 PM (Z7lwY)

444 The Brits have some odd ideas about recoil and power in handguns. In the first James Bond movie, Bond is forced to give up his 32 acp for his signature PPS in 380. The armorer described the 380 power like a brick through a plate glass window or words to that effect.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (bmdz3)

I heard that Fleming wasn't much of gun guy. A "gun guy" wrote him a letter complaining about the .32 and he bumped it up.

While the language was over the top... I suppose at the time things were relative. There were no really super compact pistols in 9mm. For a snubbie you had .38 special. So, .380 actually was a hot pocket pistol solution.

FWIW both .32 and .380 were common police rounds for many decades in Europe and the 9mm mak round used by the military and police in the USSR and eastern Europe was basically the same as a +p .380.

Posted by: Keith at October 13, 2019 09:49 PM (jdGlx)

445 I'm glad the folks at the MoMe enjoyed the Heritage Rough Rider so much. But I'm not surprised. The Rough Rider is a great value in a fun to cost ratio.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 09:49 PM (bmdz3)

446 The Brits have some odd ideas about recoil and power
in handguns. In the first James Bond movie, Bond is forced to give up
his 32 acp for his signature PPS in 380. The armorer described the 380
power like a brick through a plate glass window or words to that effect.




I'm not saying the .380 is ineffective, but iti sn't exactly a powerhouse round either.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 09:41 PM (bmdz3)

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That's what I mean. I see them refer to calibers my wife comfortably shoots as "brutal" or "crippling" and I'm like "WHAT???"

And Hogg is supposed to be some sort of expert, seasoned shooter, etc. Guy's wrists must measure three inches 'round, including the embossed cufflinks if he thinks the Webley had tough recoil.

Seriously, my Hi-Power had more zip on it than the Webley. It's a big, soft, slow round. I can see getting rid of the revolver because it's frickin' HUGE, but not because .455 is a beast.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:49 PM (cfSRQ)

447 Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR

See that's proof TSA should pat down old ladies.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 13, 2019 09:50 PM (2DOZq)

448 Did I go overboard buying the gun that I did?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:46 PM


You made a fine choice! It will serve you well.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 09:50 PM (DMUuz)

449 Remind me sometime to tell you guys the story about my MIL, a prison made zip-gun, and flying commercial to Florida from DC with it. Loaded.
Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

Ouch.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2019 09:50 PM (ycWCI)

450 Weasel, wow.
Were you on a secret mission from God? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 13, 2019 09:51 PM (L2ZTs)

451 447 Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR

See that's proof TSA should pat down old ladies.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 13, 2019 09:50 PM (2DOZq)
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No shit! It was in her carry-on. I cannot imagine the shit storm that would've ensued if they'd caught her with that.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

452 http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358682


I'm just sad I don't have ace's moving tribute from the sidebar to me.
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 09:48 PM (Z7lwY)


You got a tribute from Ace? You are in a class well above me!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:52 PM (TdMsT)

453 We were all sorry that you couldn't be there. it was a great evening!
Posted by: Ladyl at October 13, 2019 09:47 PM (TdMsT)


See you in a couple days though, right?

Posted by: hogmartin at October 13, 2019 09:52 PM (t+qrx)

454 Thanks Duncanthrax, my nephew owns a Sig Sauer P220 Legion in .45 and I LOVE shooting that gun.

But I went for the 9mm and I wanted the Red dot sight which I think might help me a bit.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:52 PM (3I7GG)

455 NOOD.

(Not the cool swag cup)

Posted by: ibguy at October 13, 2019 09:52 PM (EHVbt)

456 And Hogg is supposed to be some sort of expert, seasoned shooter, etc. Guy's wrists must measure three inches 'round
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:49 PM


Maybe it's a Hogg thing. David Hogg's upper arms don't measure 3" areound.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 13, 2019 09:52 PM (DMUuz)

457 Remind me sometime to tell you guys the story about my MIL, a prison made zip-gun, and flying commercial to Florida from DC with it. Loaded.
Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

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Oh, we will remind you, alright.

So, so many questions...

Posted by: SMH at October 13, 2019 09:53 PM (RU4sa)

458 Actually, Bond goes from a .25 Beretta to a .32 Walther, so it's even sillier.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 09:53 PM (j4zcI)

459 Weasel,

Thanks for the thread which is aways a pleasure. It also reminded me to start prepping some 38 special brass. I'll do it while the Nats game is on the radio. That will keep me from hyperventilating with every pitch.

Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 09:54 PM (bmdz3)

460 434 Did I go overboard buying the gun that I did? My nephew thinks I should have started with a revolver

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2019 09:46 PM (3I7GG)


Meh, I've never owned a revolver. And, look how *I* turned out!

*shifty eyes*

Anyway, it looks like a nice choice!

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 13, 2019 09:55 PM (DTX3h)

461 Wall of text alert!

Searching through old texts got me to wanting to dig this one up. A good, collaborative effort from the horde. This is Buzzion's collection of the various posts from the mid morning thread the next day:

210 From the Don Lemon thread last night I compiled the posts of several morons and put it into one and put it on the ONT. But in case anyone missed it I present to you MORONS ON PARADE!

Now passing the reviewing stand, I don't know these people. Anyone in the booth? The program says "Ace of Spades HQ Blog Kazoo and Harmonica Marching Mand", but they don't seem to be marching, and it isn't much of a formation. Can't tell what they are playing but you have to admire their enthusiasm, especially the kazoo section. They are playing their hearts out.

Are they really in the parade? or have they infiltrated the event? Anyone know.

Wait, here comes security now. It looks like the band is forming up into a symbol.. wait... ok, no, we can't show you that on camera. Security is trying to get control off... there is fire! There is fire coming from the bagpipe sections, look out.... oh the humanity people are on fire!

What? Fire eaters? Spitting flaming vodka? Seriously? The flames have driven security back. Now the have unfurled a pirate flag. Who are these people?

Wait, they are getting out crossbows and longbows, and are starting to skuffle amongst themselves.

I heard one of them yell "Shit just got real."

Wait, I just heard another one yell:

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THINGS WERE ALREADY GETTING OUT OF HAND!


"Some of them seem to have donned Confederate uniforms, while others are wearing Union blue."


One of them just shouted 'Messenger Bags are gayer than Crocs' for some reason.


Another just yelled in response:

"I saw Messenger Bags open for the Green Crocs at the Pink Flamingo in 1986!"

'All the while there's a lone, naked, fat man sitting on a White Ottoman to the very left of the stage.

Is his inclusion symbolic?

Your guess is as good as mine, Bill.'

Wait, standing next to the man on the ottoman is another man... is he dressed as a dildo?! Orange, with jagged brown stripes across the front? What the f*ck is that!?!

I got nothing, Bill.

"Wait now someone is walking around passing out pudding cups. And they're all opening them, but I don't see any spoons. What are they...

Oh, God no. Cut to commercial! Cut to commercial!"

Now... they are setting fire to a skull (what did they cover it with?) and another is dressed like a robot and he is humping the air!

It's a complete madhouse down here. We need to get the national guard down here!
Posted by: buzzion at December 29, 2016 11:00 AM (cAnNx)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2019 09:55 PM (ycWCI)

462 Weasel, got stopped one time and DPS said' You have a CCH. Do you have any firearms?' Me- 'Yeah, I have a pistol on my right hip, another in the console, a shotgun under the back seat, and my wife has a firearm in her purse. Oh yeah, I have a revolver on my left ankle.'

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 09:55 PM (UUkQp)

463 Really quickly - her uncle was a prison guard who had confiscated it from a prisoner decades before. It was handed down through the family and ended up with the MIL. She decided to take it to her brother in Florida when we made a trip down. As soon as he got it he was playing around with it and shot a .22 cal hole in the ceiling. That was when she acted all surprised and mentioned she'd had it in her carry-on.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

464 Posted by: JTB at October 13, 2019 09:54 PM (bmdz3)
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My pleasure pal.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

465 While the language was over the top... I suppose at
the time things were relative. There were no really super compact
pistols in 9mm. For a snubbie you had .38 special. So, .380 actually was
a hot pocket pistol solution.



FWIW both .32 and .380 were common police rounds for many decades in
Europe and the 9mm mak round used by the military and police in the
USSR and eastern Europe was basically the same as a +p .380.

Posted by: Keith at October 13, 2019 09:49 PM (jdGlx)

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One thing I've learned from dipping my toes into the waters of Euro pistols: they were designed for melee range, not 25 yard targets.

My Webley is really nice. Honestly, too nice to shoot, but some jackoff shaved the cylinder, so I'm going to shoot it.

And you know what? It sucks at any kind of range. This is a gun designed to kill the guy IN YOUR FACE. Think "charging Zulu."

A lot of those old rounds were basically a way out of a fist-fight and at extreme close range, a .32 auto would be really nasty. I shoot my Dreyse (when it works) and it's got some pep in it, but it's designed for 21 feet or less.

The C96? Oh yeah, it's got horsepower to spare, but it's a cavalry officer's weapon and did well in that role. But those Euro 380s and 32s weren't made for that sort of thing.

My problem is with experts like Hogg who generalize in a post WW II environment when pistols have gained in power and accuracy. No, the .455 Webley was not "overpowered" or "intimidating." The Mk VI had a six-inch barrel and weighed a ton.

A while ago on the book thread I mentioned how I got rid of books on tanks and aircraft that I subsequently learned were in fact full of crap. I'm doing the same thing with my books on guns.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 13, 2019 09:59 PM (cfSRQ)

466 462 Weasel, got stopped one time and DPS said' You have a CCH. Do you have any firearms?' Me- 'Yeah, I have a pistol on my right hip, another in the console, a shotgun under the back seat, and my wife has a firearm in her purse. Oh yeah, I have a revolver on my left ankle.'
Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2019 09:55 PM (UUkQp)
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Love it!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

467 No shit! It was in her carry-on. I cannot imagine the shit storm that would've ensued if they'd caught her with that.

If it's inside the statute of limitations time period - I sure wouldn't post about it.

Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 09:59 PM (1Q15G)

468 "My pleasure pal."

And this, kids, is why commas are important.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 10:01 PM (j4zcI)

469 ,

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

470 I'll bet those teeny European police calibers worked fine on teeny, undernourished European criminals.

Although they did wear layers of wool...

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 13, 2019 10:03 PM (j4zcI)

471 Post that to the ONT Aetius, they should get a kick out of it there.

Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2019 10:10 PM (Z7lwY)

472 Buzzion. Went back to read when you died in a previous thread. All's i saw was Ricardo Kills nic. I miss that guy!

Posted by: t-dubya-d at October 13, 2019 10:13 PM (RZWC0)

473 467 No shit! It was in her carry-on. I cannot imagine the shit storm that would've ensued if they'd caught her with that.

If it's inside the statute of limitations time period - I sure wouldn't post about it.
Posted by: An Observation at October 13, 2019 09:59 PM (1Q15G)
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You mean there's still hope?!

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2019 10:14 PM (MVjcR)

474 Hi Weasel, interesting thread.

This is probably TMI but whateves.

I carry a min of 1k for each caliber I shoot and .22 ... well lets just say I'll never run out. So lets see, I have .22, .380, 9mm, .44, .223, 7.62 39 and 54, .270 WBY Mag, 12 ga in 2 3/4' and 3", 20 ga 2 3/4" and a lot of .177 and .22 air rifle (quiet hunting) pellets. I reload everything except 22.

PS, the Weatherby ammo was pricey back when I acquired it and it's the only one I don't have 1k+ rounds hanging around for. I also store EVERYTHING in mil surp ammo boxes except the 7.62 as it's already sealed.

So yeah, if it gets exciting I think I'm in a fairly safe position all the way around.

Posted by: Gmac- The light at the end of the tunnel is the Trump 2020 train. at October 13, 2019 11:19 PM (qZdIZ)

475 Well, THAT was interesting. ThanX! to Weasel and all who made it so. I'm sorry not to be able to attend the TXMoMe. work interferes and alas, I will be in FL. Speaking of which, I need to checkin and then to bed, as its an early wake up tomorrow.

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at October 13, 2019 11:27 PM (gMngZ)

476 It's pretty common during wartime smokeless powder production to reduce wash cycles to speed production. Shelf life isn't as good but when the ammunition is used in less than a year or two, this is hardly noticed.

Posted by: Jay Dee at October 26, 2019 07:07 PM (95gIl)

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