Gun Thread: A Quickie! [Weasel]

Time for a Quickie?

Hey! I'm talking about the delicious, wholesome and refreshing milk chocolate drink, you perverts!

Geez - has it been another whole week already? And how in the ever-loving hell did it get to be September? Frankly, I'm not done with last summer yet, much less this one! I was going to lead off with some sort of Labor Day theme, but since celebrating Labor Day is for Commies, I decided agin' it. With your permission I'm going to keep this week's thread on the short and quick side if that's OK.

With that, let's see what there is to discuss, shall we?

One thing we hear a lot from new shooters, or old shooters looking at a new gun, is a certain model doesn't "fit" their hand correctly, or doesn't "feel" right. What I suspect they mean is that the grip isn't comfortable for one reason or another. A great example of this are the smaller pocket pistols, like the Ruger LCP or Sig P238, and it may be because they aren't able to wrap all four fingers around the grip and their pinky is just sort of hanging there with nothing to do. If you follow the Sig link, you'll see some models are shown with a magazine (the "clip" for you retards) extension to accommodate the undercelebrated smallest finger, the pinky. You can see what I'm referring to on the slightly larger Sig P230SL shown below.

Sig P230SL - see the pinky extension?

The fact is, even with space to join the other fingers, the pinky doesn't realy contribute much in terms of grip strength and it doesn't really matter if it's on the grip or not. Having said that, comfort and feel contribute bigly to a shooter's confidence so from that perspective, it's still important. I want my grip to be firm and comfortable, but also realize the benefit of these small guns is, well, their smallness. You can often become accustomed to a grip that doesn't feel comfortable to begin with through practice, and I always advise people to try a gun on the range whenever possible before they buy it. Many ranges offer rental guns in same the models they sell, and shooting a hundred rounds or so can give you a much better feel for the handling characteristics than a minute or two with it at the sales counter.

The whole idea behind these small compact pistols is concealed carry and use in a self-defense situation. These guns may not even be your primary carry weapon, but rather the one you take along when your usual handgun isn't practical. With that in mind, in an emergency do you really think you would notice how happy your pinky is, or would you be more focused on drawing the weapon and addressing the situation before you? I have never been in combat or had to draw a weapon on anyone, but I'm pretty certain in that circumstance I'd be all jacked up on adrenaline and wouldn't be thinking very much about the mechanics of my grip. I'll be the first to admit this is entirely conjecture on my part. I've never been in that situation and can only surmise what my reaction would be.

What do you think? Have any of you have any actual experience with this and if so, do you remember thinking about your grip at all, or am I just full of shit? Do you think a magazine pinky extension would help?

Next week we'll take a look at larger handguns and some aftermarket replacement grips that might make an initially uncomfortable gun into a comfy one.

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Link-O-Rama
Well, despite being a holiday for Commies, Labor Day is big for sales in the world of retail, with gun stuff and ammunition being no exception. It pays to be ahead of the supply curve and wait for sales and free shipping offers when you can, rather than buying when you need it. Here are a few sales that found their way into my inbox this week:

Ammunition Store: SALE!
Georgia Arms: SALE and FREE SHIPPING!
Fulton Armory: SALE!
AR 500 Targets: SALE and FREE SHIPPING!
Powder Valley: Black Powder FREE HAZMAT!
White Oak Armament: FREE Bolt Carrier Group Upgrade Offer!
Palmetto State Armory: SALE!
Brownells: SALE!
Lucky Gunner: SALE!

If I missed your favorite, don't forget to check them out this weekend - chances are they're having some sort of special offer. If you choose to share links in the comments, please use tiny URL to keep the margins intact. Thank you!

***Mail Bag***

We've spent some time lately discussing different range time practice strategies, and a couple of you have mentioned spending time with the .22LR as an economical way to do so. Our pal Butch makes a great point about using the often overlooked cartridge as a practice tool.

Dialed back to a .22LR pistol (S&W22 Victory) to focus on fundamentals

The 22LR is a great cartridge, and is often passed over in favor of larger caliber cartridges which make a bigger bang. As Butch demonstrates, it's the perfect cartridge with which to practice fundamentals, and it's hard to argue with his results! Nice shooting, Butch!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

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1 st!

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:00 PM (jaNjl)

2 Mmmm. Quickies.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:00 PM (7o/VJ)

3 Bang!

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:01 PM (jaNjl)

4 Bleg: anyone here have experience mounting a scope with a BORS2 system, on an Barrett M-99?

ideas, hints, suggestions, etc, most welcome.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:02 PM (jaNjl)

5 Not first . DYE.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 01, 2019 07:02 PM (bgJ0E)

6 Maybe we could combine two Sunday posts and have a thread on shooting vegetables.

I nominate chard.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:02 PM (7o/VJ)

7 If banning guns will save thousands of lives, why don't we ban hurricanes?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 01, 2019 07:04 PM (+y/Ru)

8 4 Bleg: anyone here have experience mounting a scope with a BORS2 system, on an Barrett M-99?

ideas, hints, suggestions, etc, most welcome.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:02 PM (jaNjl)

Some experience. Suggestion do not do it unless you have paid for it already. There are better systems now.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 01, 2019 07:04 PM (bgJ0E)

9
All ready on the left ...

All ready on the right ...

All is ready on the commenting thread.

Commence commenting!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2019 07:05 PM (DMUuz)

10 do you remember thinking about your grip at all, or am I just full of shit?"

You left yourself open to this one...

Yes...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 01, 2019 07:06 PM (6qErC)

11 Welp. Nascar has screwed the pooch.

Posted by: golfman at September 01, 2019 07:06 PM (OE84+)

12 "That's it for this week - have you been to the range?"

Yes! This morning, with AltonJackson. I just brought the Walther PPS M2 and the SIGM400.

The Sig works fine now with the replacement LE145 trigger, so good job to Rise Armament for prompt resolution. I put about 50-60 rounds through it while dialing in the scope a little better, with no failures of any sort.

The Walther PPS M2 is an excellent example of getting enough on the grip to feel comfortable. I just shoot better with the seven round mags and the pinky rest than with the sixes and the flat floorplate, even though it's not quite as concealable. It just doesn't add enough dimension, compared to the rest of the gun, to be a make-or-break for carrying it, but in the hand it makes a difference.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 07:07 PM (t+qrx)

13 Word question time:

"Darren robbed a convenience store. He got shot three times. Then he tried to rob the pizza place next door. He got shot seven more times. What does Darren have now?"

Death. Darren haz death.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 01, 2019 07:07 PM (L2ZTs)

14 Check out Andrew Branca's column at Legal Insurrection on the child slashing and possible response.

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:07 PM (BbGew)

15 And yes, grip is a key factor. If it doesn't fit, then no matter how much one tries, the results will be less than optimal (but can still be satisfactory).

That's why I'll put my lil' Taurus G2 9mm up against any number of other handguns. It fits.

FWIW, the LCR seems to fit better than the LCP, so...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 01, 2019 07:08 PM (6qErC)

16 I have s and w 9 mm. It came with 2 Magazines. One has the pinky extension, the other one doesn't. I much prefer the one w/ extension. I suppose I could buy the extension.

Posted by: Ronster at September 01, 2019 07:09 PM (NOanj)

17 Check out Andrew Branca's column at Legal Insurrection on the child slashing and possible response.
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:07 PM (BbGew)

I did, thank you for posting the link in the previous thread. Worth reading.
https://tinyurl.com/yyucf2ds

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 07:09 PM (t+qrx)

18 The Walther PPS M2 is an excellent example of getting enough on the grip to feel comfortable. I just shoot better with the seven round mags and the pinky rest than with the sixes and the flat floorplate, even though it's not quite as concealable. It just doesn't add enough dimension, compared to the rest of the gun, to be a make-or-break for carrying it, but in the hand it makes a difference.
Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 07:07 PM (t+qrx)
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Agreed. I really don't think the extension is big enough to worry about, one way or another. I have them on some pistol magazines and not on others and think it's fine either way.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:10 PM (o/+iT)

19 FWIW, the LCR seems to fit better than the LCP, so...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 01, 2019 07:08 PM

A Hogue grip *significantly* improves the LCP.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2019 07:10 PM (DMUuz)

20 Is buying ammo on line and by mail cheaper than a box store?

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:10 PM (BbGew)

21 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 01, 2019 07:04 PM (bgJ0E)

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per the main poast: it was on sale and herself bought as a birfday present to herself.

so yeah, it's a done deal. since it's never (we hope) going to be used for long range plinking, it's good enough for us.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:11 PM (jaNjl)

22 20 Is buying ammo on line and by mail cheaper than a box store?
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:10 PM (BbGew)

Frequently but not always.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 07:11 PM (NWiLs)

23 A great example of this are the smaller pocket pistols, like the Ruger LCP or Sig P238, and it may be because they aren't able to wrap all four fingers around the grip and their pinky is just sort of hanging there with nothing to do.

As I have told the Horde I am the proud new Pappy of a previously loved Ruger LCP. Pinky doesn't bother me, there's no room for it on the grip so it just slides underneath like it belongs there.

What I hadn't considered when I bought it was left-handedness. I held it and sighted it left handed and it felt fine so I bought it. And it is fine. But it's better right handed.

There's an extra groove on the left side of the grip for your thumb to nestle in to if you're right handed, and the cylinder release only works right handed so I have to load it and change hands.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, what is a proud Nitwit Lion at September 01, 2019 07:12 PM (fuK7c)

24 so yeah, it's a done deal. since it's never (we hope) going to be used for MORE THAN long range plinking, it's good enough for us.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:11 PM (jaNjl)

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type ALL THE WORDS, you idiot.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:12 PM (jaNjl)

25 A Hogue grip *significantly* improves the LCP."

I have the black rubber on the LCR now. It's very, very nice indeed.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 01, 2019 07:13 PM (6qErC)

26 In California you can buy ammo by mail, but then the delivery person is authorized to give you the background check, including an anal probe. Yick.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 01, 2019 07:13 PM (L2ZTs)

27 Happy Birthday, JJ!

*sees all the gubs*

*backs out slowly*

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 01, 2019 07:13 PM (EZebt)

28 Haven't made the range in a while as recovery from back surgery has led to other ailments. Did add a new rifle to the safe though. A PSA AR47. Been in violation of my rule of having at least two firearms in every caliber I own. My other 7.62 x 39 rifle is a Rock River. Both are AR style rifles that accept AK magazines. The RR is one of my favorite toys and has been absolutely reliable.

Posted by: Agitator at September 01, 2019 07:13 PM (m9DnX)

29 Death. Darren haz death.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 01, 2019 07:07 PM (L2ZTs)

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Darren is a victim of white supremacy.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:13 PM (jaNjl)

30 Was listening to Dana Loesch Friday on way home and she talked about that slashing case, She said she would have drawn on the woman holding her for arrest. Of course Dana carries and has more trading with firearms than most.

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:14 PM (BbGew)

31 25 A Hogue grip *significantly* improves the LCP."

I have the black rubber on the LCR now. It's very, very nice indeed.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 01, 2019 07:13 PM (6qErC)
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I'm a BIG fan of Hogue combat grips.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:14 PM (o/+iT)

32 Question for the gun horde - why do modern pistols have to have slides? The Nambu didn't (and its .22 grandson, the Ruger Mark- whatever, doesn't).

When I look at a Ruger .22 pistol with the rail top, I think, "Perfect. Mount an optic with no fuss. And it's not banging back and forth on a slide."

So how come I can't have a striker-fired 9mm with a moving bolt in a solid-top frame? I understand the locking system would have to be different/beefier than the .22's. Does something about that preclude making a centerfire pistol in this configuration?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 01, 2019 07:14 PM (j4zcI)

33 If banning guns will save thousands of lives...

Then why did millions of German Jews die?

How did Mao, Pol Pot, Chauchesku, Castro, et al murder up to 250 million people if banning guns saves lives?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 01, 2019 07:15 PM (lD3vL)

34 Yeah, I should get a 22 that as closely as possible mimics the Glock sub-compact I carry and a revolver for Heidi. We would enjoy shooting them.

On that note also, I have big meaty hands and yet the sub with a finger extension 'clip' (lol) seems to be perfect for me. And thanks weasel.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:15 PM (Zv1X1)

35 Are additional grips possible with smaller hand guns?

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:16 PM (BbGew)

36 And thanks weasel.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:15 PM (Zv1X1)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:16 PM (o/+iT)

37 26 In California you can buy ammo by mail, but then the delivery person is authorized to give you the background check, including an anal probe. Yick.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 01, 2019 07:13 PM (L2ZTs)

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Nevada has lots of great places to buy ammo.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:17 PM (7o/VJ)

38 This week was Yugo SKS 59/66A1 time at the range. The one I have was made in 1985 and in basically brand new condition.

Easy to operate if a bit heavy, this rifle zeroed out at 25 and 100 yards before I shot her at 200-600 yards, irons sights.

From 200-300 she did ok, but out further she tends to spread a bit. The 7.62 x 39 drops like a rock after about 300 meters, so when I dialed up the sights she would hit steel about 50-50. Plus the trigger drags a lot and I tend to pull her right if I don't go real slow.

The fun part was I have some rubber practice grenades and using surplus Russian blanks was able to use the grenade launcher to shoot the practice grenades out to about 150 yards. They fly in a straight arc and you can get pretty good at placing them. Only downside is you have to walk out and pick them up to shoot again.

Here is the link for the rubber grenades:

https://tinyurl.com/yynfv5ec

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 07:17 PM (Z+IKu)

39 Cicero, another reason I wanna move there.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 01, 2019 07:17 PM (L2ZTs)

40 Grrr. Ammunition Store has a good price on Federal Gold Match but I can't get through the checkout to see if shipping is going to kill the deal.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 07:17 PM (qc+VF)

41 The Sunday Gun Thread cigar of the week is a Romeo y Julieta Anniversario Madura.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:18 PM (o/+iT)

42 Was listening to Dana Loesch Friday on way home and she talked about that slashing case, She said she would have drawn on the woman holding her for arrest. Of course Dana carries and has more trading with firearms than most.

So Dana feels that walking up to a situation without any legal authority or any knowledge of what is going on and drawing down with the intent to kill is a safe legal move?

Why couldn't another party come up and blast Dana away since she might be considered an accomplice to the slasher being held for the authorities?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 01, 2019 07:19 PM (lD3vL)

43 Range?

Yes!! Took another newbie this trip. She had a bad experience a few weeks ago downtown and decided it's time to get her some learning to protect herself. Her shooting was crap but it really was just an introduction to handguns.

I'm going back on Tuesday.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 01, 2019 07:19 PM (Y4EXg)

44 BREAKING NEWS: Dorian is in the lead to get the Dems' VP nod in 2020 :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 01, 2019 07:20 PM (L2ZTs)

45 Dr. No is on. 007 just had to trade in his Beretta for a Walther PPK.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 07:20 PM (xPIsN)

46 the #Failifornia ammo law is being challenged in federal court, in front of the same judge who ruled the magazine ban unconstitutional.

and i happen to know one of the plaintiffs.

http://michellawyers.com/rhode-v-becerra/

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:20 PM (jaNjl)

47 Yes!! Took another newbie this trip. She had a bad experience a few weeks ago downtown and decided it's time to get her some learning to protect herself. Her shooting was crap but it really was just an introduction to handguns.

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As long as she didn't take out the RSO or any of the other customers, count it a success.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:20 PM (7o/VJ)

48 In California you can buy ammo by mail, but then the delivery person is authorized to give you the background check, including an anal probe. Yick.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 01, 2019 07:13 PM (L2ZTs)

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Nevada has lots of great places to buy ammo.

Just slap a origination address of somewhere in China on to the box and have USPS send it in just like they mailed 30kg of Fentanyl.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 01, 2019 07:21 PM (lD3vL)

49 Nevada has lots of great places to buy ammo.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:17 PM (7o/VJ)

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and #Failifornia has cops over there, just looking for people doing that, or buying magazines, etc.

good way to lose all your gubs.

and your freedom too.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:22 PM (jaNjl)

50 I happened into an odd gun this week, an Egyptian Maadi Helwan. A licensed copy of the Beretta M1951.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmGDBqqP

I paid basically nothing for it as a parts gun with no magazine or slide stop but when I cleaned and lubed it, I found that it's definitely in fireable shape, after I bend the mag well back out. It sort of looks like it, or the guy carrying it in 1967, got run over by a heavy vehicle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 01, 2019 07:22 PM (yQpMk)

51 No range time. Personal issues + heat = no time for range.

Darn it.

Should be ready go though in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 07:22 PM (WEBkv)

52
Yes!! Took another newbie this trip. She had a bad experience a few weeks ago downtown and decided it's time to get her some learning to protect herself. Her shooting was crap but it really was just an introduction to handguns.

I'm going back on Tuesday.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 01, 2019 07:19 PM (Y4EXg)
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Good job! I sort of feel like it's gun owner's responsibility to introduce new shooters to the sport if they have a chance.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:23 PM (o/+iT)

53 Are additional grips possible with smaller hand guns?
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:16 PM

"grips" as in hand positions, or "grips" as in additions or replacements for stock "stocks"?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2019 07:23 PM (DMUuz)

54 Also I have a Glock 26 (compact 40) that used to be my carry till I got the sub. Slipped a rubber hogue grip over it that has nice finger grooves. The sub is newer and already has a nice fingered grip. I would like to get a 22 for holster draw practice.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:23 PM (Zv1X1)

55 Dr. No is on. 007 just had to trade in his Beretta for a Walther PPK.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 07:20 PM (xPIsN)

7.65mm, with a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 07:24 PM (t+qrx)

56
and #Failifornia has cops over there, just looking for people doing that, or buying magazines, etc.

good way to lose all your gubs.

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Fuck 'em.

California gun laws are such a travesty I don't even try to comply anymore.

You break a social compact and this is the result.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:24 PM (7o/VJ)

57 Range time yesterday was getting to know the newest canoe ballast, a DWM "Artillery" Luger from 1917. Once I got the sight picture straightened out, the weapon is a tack driver. Also found out I had a bad extractor on a C96 Broomhandle - parts on order.

Posted by: Panhandler at September 01, 2019 07:24 PM (S/rwf)

58 Short and Quick. There are NO clay pigeons in my town.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:24 PM (Sf7dd)

59 Reading Andrew Branca's column he states by my understanding if this was happening to you, and Dana was saying to her or if she was directly very close, that your opportunity to engage the suspect is a small window of time. Dana was not shooting first, I take it she is well versed in what one can or can't do.

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:25 PM (BbGew)

60 53 Are additional grips possible with smaller hand guns?
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:16 PM
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Oftentimes yes. That's what we'll look at next week. I was a little behind the time curve last week or I'd have made it one big post.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:25 PM (o/+iT)

61 I still want to convert my Rem 870 12 ga. To a home defense gun since I don't like it for clays.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:26 PM (Zv1X1)

62 Short and Quick. There are NO clay pigeons in my town.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:24 PM

Some can be delivered Saturday morning, if needed.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2019 07:26 PM (DMUuz)

63 Fuck 'em.

California gun laws are such a travesty I don't even try to comply anymore.

You break a social compact and this is the result.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:24 PM (7o/VJ)

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i appreciate the sentiment, but i'm too old for prison, and i'd be way too popular.

besides, i don't look good in orange.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:27 PM (jaNjl)

64 Grips as replacement, I have Pachmyrs on my 357 Colt, didn't for my 1911.

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:27 PM (BbGew)

65 Had a multi-generation range trip this past week with my oldest and my father, which was pretty cool. Mostly shot with a SigPro 9mm, Glock 23 and 1911. Standard two-handed practice mostly with some one-handed practice thrown in too, both strong side and off hand, with the 1911. All things considered, it went reasonably well. Nothing went outside the 9 ring on the one-hand practice, though the groups were nothing to write home about. It was better than the last time, though.

My son did pretty good, especially for someone who doesn't get a whole lot of practice. He tore up the 10 ring his first target or two, and was pretty consistent for the front half of our range time. Fatigue started setting in toward the end of the back half, which frustrated him a bit. Still, we all had a really great time.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 07:27 PM (NWiLs)

66 "and #Failifornia has cops over there, just looking for people doing that, or buying magazines, etc."

Perhaps walk in with an empty backpack.

Leave with your backpack full of sodas that you bough inside.

Get into your ca with the California plates....and see what happens.

Posted by: Richard 'hide the hamster' Greer at September 01, 2019 07:27 PM (jg1QG)

67 61 I still want to convert my Rem 870 12 ga. To a home defense gun since I don't like it for clays.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:26 PM (Zv1X1)
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Brownells should have replacement barrels.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:27 PM (o/+iT)

68 I still want to convert my Rem 870 12 ga. To a home defense gun since I don't like it for clays.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:26 PM (Zv1X1)

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buy a shorter barrel, take out the magazine plug, and maybe get a tube extension.

next problem?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:28 PM (jaNjl)

69 I still want to convert my Rem 870 12 ga. To a home defense gun since I don't like it for clays.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:26 PM

Easily done. A plethora of options. www.870.com is worth checking out.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2019 07:29 PM (DMUuz)

70 I have unusually large hands and long ago gave up trying to fit my pinky on the grip, even with oversized replacement grips. It's just something you get used to.

Weasel is correct that in a dangerous situation, you won't be thinking about placing your little finger 'properly'. At least that's what I've found doing practice draws (unloaded).

Posted by: JTB at September 01, 2019 07:29 PM (bmdz3)

71 Duncanthrax, Thanks, but I need some for Friday.

I'll find them but I was looking for the easy way.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:29 PM (Sf7dd)

72 ---
per the main poast: it was on sale and herself bought as a birfday present to herself.

so yeah, it's a done deal. since it's never (we hope) going to be used for long range plinking, it's good enough for us.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:11 PM (jaNjl)

Barrett had a goodish idea, I find it very clunky.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 01, 2019 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)

73 Fuck 'em.

California gun laws are such a travesty I don't even try to comply anymore.

You break a social compact and this is the result.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:24 PM

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I never complied with the old CT "assault weapons" ban/registration. Lived there over 15 years as a felon and refused to comply even took the gun to the range to shoot it.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 01, 2019 07:29 PM (JUOKG)

74 65 Had a multi-generation range trip this past week with my oldest and my father, which was pretty cool. Mostly shot with a SigPro 9mm, Glock 23 and 1911. Standard two-handed practice mostly with some one-handed practice thrown in too, both strong side and off hand, with the 1911. All things considered, it went reasonably well. Nothing went outside the 9 ring on the one-hand practice, though the groups were nothing to write home about. It was better than the last time, though.

My son did pretty good, especially for someone who doesn't get a whole lot of practice. He tore up the 10 ring his first target or two, and was pretty consistent for the front half of our range time. Fatigue started setting in toward the end of the back half, which frustrated him a bit. Still, we all had a really great time.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 07:27 PM (NWiLs)
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Coming Soon: Why practicing making teensy groups might not always be the best idea.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:30 PM (o/+iT)

75 I just ordered an assortment of AR500 steel plate targets last week. Haven't even opened the box yet and see the same thing for sale almost $40 off.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 07:30 PM (rnXGe)

76 Perhaps walk in with an empty backpack.

Leave with your backpack full of sodas that you bough inside.

Get into your ca with the California plates....and see what happens.

Posted by: Richard 'hide the hamster' Greer at September 01, 2019 07:27 PM (jg1QG)

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what happens is, they raid your home a week or two later, seize everything they find, arrest you, and put you through the legal system.

even if you eventually win your case, you're broke and fucked over.

it's not worth it to me. for ~$200, i got my COE and 03FFL. i just tell UPS/FedEx to hold the deliveries at their local station and pick it up when i've got time.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:31 PM (jaNjl)

77 Get into your ca with the California plates....and see what happens.
Posted by: Richard 'hide the hamster' Greer at September 01, 2019 07:27 PM (jg1QG)

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You can park your car with its California plates at a big place like the Silverton Resort, walk through the casino to the Bass Pro Shop, stock up on ammo, and walk back through the casino to your car. Nobody would ever know what you bought.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:31 PM (7o/VJ)

78 Insom, left a request for you at the end of the food thread.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:31 PM (Sf7dd)

79 buy a shorter barrel, take out the magazine plug, and maybe get a tube extension.

Add Flashlight and folding stock.

Some people like adding pistol grips fore and aft - I imagine it would aid in weapons retention in CQB.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 01, 2019 07:31 PM (lD3vL)

80 buy a shorter barrel, take out the magazine plug, and maybe get a tube extension.

next problem?
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:28 PM (jaNjl)

And a pistol grip stock.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:33 PM (Zv1X1)

81 Bent? 1967?

Think the Egyptians had a set to with the Israelis then. And lost.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 07:33 PM (xPIsN)

82 75 I just ordered an assortment of AR500 steel plate targets last week. Haven't even opened the box yet and see the same thing for sale almost $40 off.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 07:30 PM (rnXGe)
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That did look like a good sale.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:33 PM (o/+iT)

83 42 Was listening to Dana Loesch Friday on way home and she talked about that slashing case, She said she would have drawn on the woman holding her for arrest. Of course Dana carries and has more trading with firearms than most.

So Dana feels that walking up to a situation without any legal authority or any knowledge of what is going on and drawing down with the intent to kill is a safe legal move?

Why couldn't another party come up and blast Dana away since she might be considered an accomplice to the slasher being held for the authorities?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 01, 2019 07:19 PM (lD3vL)

I know SFA on the case at hand but having meet Dana twice and her hubby, if she says that's what she would do I would normally back her opinion.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 01, 2019 07:33 PM (bgJ0E)

84 Barrett had a goodish idea, I find it very clunky.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 01, 2019 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)

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i live with Gadget Grrrl...

and she loves her toys.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:34 PM (jaNjl)

85 Easily done. A plethora of options. www.870.com is worth checking out.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2019 07:29 PM (DMUuz)

Doesn't seem to work Duncan. What am I missing?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:35 PM (Zv1X1)

86 The magazine extension plays an outsized role in controlling recoil torque in small pistols. The German made Walther PPK pistols in .380 ACP used to ship with two magazines, one with a finger extension and one without.

The underside of the pistol's slide would painfully engrave its recoil path on the web of your shooting hand between thumb and index finger with the flat bottomed magazine, but not so much with the finger rest magazine. Your pinkie finger may not be very strong, but the magazine extension's location far from the bore axis gives it quite a lever arm.

Posted by: 10x25mm at September 01, 2019 07:35 PM (Zan64)

87 I have Hogue grips, and they are rubber, somewhat tacky to the touch.
They feel secure in my hand, but it does increase the draw and presentation time.

Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at September 01, 2019 07:35 PM (w7KSn)

88 Grips as replacement, I have Pachmyrs on my 357 Colt, didn't for my 1911.
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:27 PM

Many, many options for 1911 grips. If you like Pachmayr's, they have several models.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2019 07:36 PM (DMUuz)

89 I know SFA on the case at hand but having meet Dana twice and her hubby, if she says that's what she would do I would normally back her opinion.

I would quickly check to see if my CHL insurance was paid and up to date, then walk away since I still wouldn't want to accept the legal bills and the endless hassle from the authorities.

We just don't live in a day and age where we can have citizen sheep dogs anymore.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 01, 2019 07:37 PM (lD3vL)

90

I started both my kids with a Colt Woodsman .22.

Long before they actually shot the thing there was much practice involving safe handling, until it was pretty much ingrained.

After that, we had an entire year shooting a pistol with no perceptible recoil. Took some flak for spending that much time, but they have a lifetime of shooting ahead, so proper grounding (IMHO), is an imperative.

Now the older one can sometimes outshoot her father (I must admit I'm pretty good--so it makes me proud she can)if I have an off day.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 01, 2019 07:38 PM (KATBx)

91 78 Insom, left a request for you at the end of the food thread.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:31 PM (Sf7dd)

Got it. Done.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 07:38 PM (NWiLs)

92 Doesn't seem to work Duncan. What am I missing?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:35 PM

You're not doing anything wrong, I am. The correct address is www.rem870.com.

I Duckducked 870.com, and there was a result, so I stupidly thought it was good to go. Sorry about that!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2019 07:39 PM (DMUuz)

93 Howdy! Not late this time. Off to read the post and comments. BRB

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 01, 2019 07:39 PM (n2qq8)

94 Coming Soon: Why practicing making teensy groups might not always be the best idea.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:30 PM (o/+iT)

Wait, what?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 07:39 PM (NWiLs)

95
We just don't live in a day and age where we can have citizen sheep dogs anymore.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 01, 2019 07:37 PM (lD3vL)

Oh I agree with you on that,but Dana holds strong views.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 01, 2019 07:39 PM (bgJ0E)

96 Late. Lingering over steak tips and garden golden potatoes. Copying recipe for blueberries and vodka.
No range time but did clear the backyard range of vegetation and built new uprights for the portable stand. Jr. had centered some targets there with predictable results.
Yes on pinky grip for LCP. No on Hogue grip for that gun - won't fit in Talon wallet holster. (Yes, on Colt Cobra; makes it much more controllable.)
Once in a while, I'll just say "bad guys!", draw and shoot cold with LCP. I figure it's more real life than the range. Not even thinking about the pinky.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 07:39 PM (zxBYp)

97 Ben Had, did you get the pics I emailed you?

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 01, 2019 07:40 PM (uDh3k)

98 Posted by: McGyver at September 01, 2019 07:39 PM (n2qq

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Howdy McGyver!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:40 PM (o/+iT)

99 94 Coming Soon: Why practicing making teensy groups might not always be the best idea.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:30 PM (o/+iT)

Wait, what?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 07:39 PM (NWiLs)
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Yeah, crazy huh?

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:41 PM (o/+iT)

100 My S&W 457 is a .45 ACP with the pinky hook built into the magazine. Smallest manageable .45 I've fired.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at September 01, 2019 07:43 PM (+Abq4)

101 Dana said nothing about shooting first, She would as I remember draw on person detaining them, woman was continually holding a knife, attacked 1 child, tried to attack a second child. It becomes a whole nother scenario after that if your detaining a person with drawn weapon and they have decided to attack you or wait out their situation.

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:43 PM (BbGew)

102 Feds take guns under red flag law because man said he would defend himself against AntiFa

https://archive.is/YLbMF

Posted by: lucas hood at September 01, 2019 07:43 PM (QwmrN)

103 94 Coming Soon: Why practicing making teensy groups might not always be the best idea.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:30 PM (o/+iT)

I figure that with the excitement and adrenalin rush if I shoot "minute of man" that will accomplish closure.

Posted by: Panhandler at September 01, 2019 07:45 PM (S/rwf)

104 49 Nevada has lots of great places to buy ammo.
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and #Failifornia has cops over there, just looking for people doing that, or buying magazines, etc.

good way to lose all your gubs.

and your freedom too.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:22 PM

It is illegal in CA to buy ammo in another state and bring it back to CA? How is that legal?

Posted by: clutch at September 01, 2019 07:45 PM (Z3oWA)

105 Thanks Duncan!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:45 PM (Zv1X1)

106
I figure that with the excitement and adrenalin rush if I shoot "minute of man" that will accomplish closure.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 01, 2019 07:45 PM (S/rwf)
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That's it. Practice real world scenarios. Making little holes is fun, but not always practical.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:46 PM (o/+iT)

107 94 Coming Soon: Why practicing making teensy groups might not always be the best idea.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:30 PM (o/+iT)

Wait, what?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 07:39 PM (NWiLs)

"Clutches chest, tries to take pulse"

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 01, 2019 07:46 PM (bgJ0E)

108 Smallest groups not always best? So Crazy Uncle Joe and his idea everyone only should own 12guage shotguns isn't far off?

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:46 PM (BbGew)

109 94 Coming Soon: Why practicing making teensy groups might not always be the best idea.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:30 PM (o/+iT)

Alternate Title:

Tight Groupings and OCD.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 07:47 PM (Zv1X1)

110 Coming Soon: Why practicing making teensy groups might not always be the best idea.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:30 PM (o/+iT)

Yeah, I been thinking a lot about that. I've recently changed my beginning range time to cold, not in position, etc.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 07:47 PM (zxBYp)

111 It is illegal in CA to buy ammo in another state and bring it back to CA? How is that legal?

It's legal the same way a bunch of crap is legal: they passed a law and it hasn't been repealed or overturned in court. Yet.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 07:47 PM (qc+VF)

112 >>> 71 Duncanthrax, Thanks, but I need some for Friday.

I'll find them but I was looking for the easy way.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:29 PM (Sf7dd)

I could bring some Friday Noon-ish. Would that work?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 01, 2019 07:47 PM (0ReGO)

113 gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at September 01, 2019 07:47 PM (arJlL)

114 I can come into a CZ 455 22lr with a heavy threaded barrel, that I'd put a Dead Air Mask HD on.

Is this a decent SHTF weapon, or is it unnecessary if I already have a suppressed Larue in 5.56?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at September 01, 2019 07:48 PM (T8HPM)

115 Found a gunsmith less than a mile from my in-laws that does cerakoting. Winning!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 01, 2019 07:48 PM (Yo3dV)

116 Yeah, grips are a thing, but how big ?

Dunno, but just about every pistol I own has aftermarket grips:
- Pachmayr rubber on the various 1911's
- Pachmayr round-butt on the 629, square on the 66
- the carry J-frame has these hogue-knockoff cocobolo grips that rock for indexing the hand perfectly and maintaining grip through recoil - wish I knew where to get more; all they had, 30 years ago, was a little sticker that said Made In Phillipines. A pair for the 629 would be cool. Planning on carrying that next month when we go camping Up North.
- the Sig P290 and the old Model 60 have the factory grips still, as does the Colt Targetsman, the Beretta .25, and the PP. oh, and the newer mini .22.
- the old mini .22 grips are milled flat, but original otherwise

Being high canning season, and dealing with a bushel of very ripe 'maters, no range time today. SAD ! Maybe carve out some weekday time for it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 07:49 PM (XNDy+)

117 I happened into an odd gun this week, an Egyptian Maadi Helwan. A licensed copy of the Beretta M1951.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 01, 2019 07:22 PM (yQpMk)

Very cool Grump! Nice find, congrats!

I am also glad the rockets of Helwan never flew.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 07:49 PM (Z+IKu)

118 Maud'dib , I did and I left you a comment on that thread but I owe you an email to tell you how special that boy is. It's all in the eyes.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:49 PM (Sf7dd)

119 Ben Had - Is there a sporting goods store in Dallas that would have them? I could pick them up on my way down from the airport.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:50 PM (o/+iT)

120 Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:31 PM (jaNjl)

Who raids your home in CA? Feds or cops?

Posted by: clutch at September 01, 2019 07:51 PM (Z3oWA)

121 s this a decent SHTF weapon, or is it unnecessary if I already have a suppressed Larue in 5.56?

Depends. Does your concept of SHTF including having to poach small game for food? If so, yeah, it'd be great.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 07:51 PM (qc+VF)

122 Helena, If you can bring some that would be great, We only have a case and a half and that is going to go pretty quick.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:51 PM (Sf7dd)

123 Hi Weasel,
I'm looking forward to your discussion about pinpoint vs practical accuracy in defensive situations. I try for control more than one hole accuracy in practice sessions.

Posted by: JTB at September 01, 2019 07:51 PM (bmdz3)

124 Put Hogues on the old Model 10 .38. Yes.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 07:52 PM (zxBYp)

125 123 Hi Weasel,
I'm looking forward to your discussion about pinpoint vs practical accuracy in defensive situations. I try for control more than one hole accuracy in practice sessions.
Posted by: JTB at September 01, 2019 07:51 PM (bmdz3)
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I'll try and include it next week!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:52 PM (o/+iT)

126 I'm a believer in having Pachmayrs on anything you might have to fight with.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 01, 2019 07:53 PM (yQpMk)

127 007, license to kill ... tarantulas

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 07:53 PM (xPIsN)

128 "73 Fuck 'em.

California gun laws are such a travesty I don't even try to comply anymore.

You break a social compact and this is the result.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:24 PM

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I never complied with the old CT "assault weapons" ban/registration. Lived there over 15 years as a felon and refused to comply even took the gun to the range to shoot it.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 01, 2019 07:29 PM (JUOKG) "

Affirm.
Just what I did for many years in Crook County.
My old Winchester pump .22 was an "assault weapon" ferchrissakes.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 07:54 PM (XNDy+)

129 Weasel, not without sending you to G-D knows where.

I can get them delivered from amazon but I will use that as a last resort. There is still plenty of time.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:54 PM (Sf7dd)

130 Why would feds be busting firearm violations not against any federal firearm laws?

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 07:55 PM (BbGew)

131 124 Put Hogues on the old Model 10 .38. Yes.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 07:52 PM (zxBYp)
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I love the Model 10, but think the Magna grips are the most horrible things in the history of the universe.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:55 PM (o/+iT)

132 Damn. All y'all are going to TX MoMe and will probably talk about it forever.
Think I'll just go out and eat worms.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 07:55 PM (zxBYp)

133 133 Damn. All y'all are going to TX MoMe and will probably talk about it forever.
Think I'll just go out and eat worms.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 07:55 PM (zxBYp)

I'll join you.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 07:56 PM (NWiLs)

134 It is illegal in CA to buy ammo in another state and bring it back to CA? How is that legal?

Posted by: clutch at September 01, 2019 07:45 PM (Z3oWA)

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it shouldn't be, but our legislature and voters are stupid.

that's one of the grounds the lawsuit is filed on.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:56 PM (jaNjl)

135 129 Weasel, not without sending you to G-D knows where.

I can get them delivered from amazon but I will use that as a last resort. There is still plenty of time.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:54 PM (Sf7dd)
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No worries - just let me know!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:57 PM (o/+iT)

136 The worms at the TXMoMe are gonna be amazing. Like the worms from Tremors.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 07:58 PM (t+qrx)

137 RI Red and Insom, we will toast a round to you both.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:58 PM (Sf7dd)

138 132 Damn. All y'all are going to TX MoMe and will probably talk about it forever.
Think I'll just go out and eat worms.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 07:55 PM (zxBYp)
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So come to the TXMoMe!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:58 PM (o/+iT)

139 >>> 122 Helena, If you can bring some that would be great, We only have a case and a half and that is going to go pretty quick.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:51 PM (Sf7dd)

Cool, I'll grab a couple boxes!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 01, 2019 07:59 PM (0ReGO)

140 138 RI Red and Insom, we will toast a round to you both.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 07:58 PM (Sf7dd)

Much appreciated! Just can't make it this time. Hoping for next year to be different.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 07:59 PM (NWiLs)

141 Weasel, See- Helena does clay pigeons and BACON.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:01 PM (Sf7dd)

142 There are a few people who I wish could make it to the TXMoMe, but can't.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 08:01 PM (t+qrx)

143 141 Weasel, See- Helena does clay pigeons and BACON.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:01 PM (Sf7dd)
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I know!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:01 PM (o/+iT)

144 For years, when there was a skeet/trap range on the Chicago lakefront (O glory!) I shot clays with an old state police trunk-gun 870; 19" cylinder barrel, 8 shot mag tube, "thing that goes up", ...
got some weird looks, but they always let me shoot. I credit the wide pattern of that barrel with holding the Sedgwick Street Gun Club title for several years.
In that kinder, gentler time (80's) I could ride my bike up through Lincoln Park with a cased shotgun strapped on.

And yes, you may exit my lawn at your convenience.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:02 PM (XNDy+)

145 hogmartin, send me that list.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:03 PM (Sf7dd)

146 Yeah, slow recovery from the attempted retirement. Next year should be a MoMe year.
BTW, Insomniac, have you seen a good recipe on the Food Thread for worm? I'm thinking a marinade.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:03 PM (zxBYp)

147 146 Yeah, slow recovery from the attempted retirement. Next year should be a MoMe year.
BTW, Insomniac, have you seen a good recipe on the Food Thread for worm? I'm thinking a marinade.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:03 PM (zxBYp)
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Sell some blood or something!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:04 PM (o/+iT)

148 Gonna weigh in on mouse guns. I am very happy with my Ruger .380 LCP. I've mounted a Viridian Reactor to it and it fits nicely in my hip pocket and (mostly) doesn't print. I've the mag with the pinky hook, which doesn't mean much. This thing is really "snappy" and you wouldn't want to spend TOO much time at the range... but practice, practice, practice.

I went thru a number of pistols for CC and I really like this one. YMMV

Mcgyver, over (HI! Weasel!)

Posted by: McGyver at September 01, 2019 08:05 PM (n2qq8)

149 What? Are there documented cases of 1] cops raiding homes on the basis of the new idiotic ammo law? or 2] any CA resident ever being busted for purchases in AZ or NV based on surveillance at the store there?

Will be new to me.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:05 PM (QDnY+)

150 I have Hague's on the P230 shown above (stock photo). I really like that pistol and should get it out more often.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:06 PM (o/+iT)

151 Hogues.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:06 PM (o/+iT)

152 146 Yeah, slow recovery from the attempted retirement. Next year should be a MoMe year.
BTW, Insomniac, have you seen a good recipe on the Food Thread for worm? I'm thinking a marinade.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:03 PM (zxBYp)

I dunno. Dredging in seasoned flour and frying seems the way to go for worms.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 08:07 PM (NWiLs)

153 Weasel, did you hear from the fellow with the spotting scopes?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:07 PM (Sf7dd)

154 Yeah, I been thinking a lot about that. I've recently changed my beginning range time to cold, not in position, etc.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 07:47 PM (zxBYp)

The state DNR ranges here don't allow rapid follow-up shots or holster draw, so lately I've been doing little drills on sight picture starting from low ready, loading short mags, and doing lots of reloads.

https://stoatnet.org/dl_frontsight.jpg
https://stoatnet.org/dl_reload.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 08:08 PM (t+qrx)

155 So come to the TXMoMe!
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 07:58 PM

Hell, I'd love to, but no vacay time this fall. *sad trombone*

Maybe next year...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:08 PM (Lkiqj)

156 Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 08:07 PM (NWiLs)
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Bummer man. I was hoping you could make it this year.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:08 PM (o/+iT)

157 Who raids your home in CA? Feds or cops?

Posted by: clutch at September 01, 2019 07:51 PM (Z3oWA)

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in the scenario i described, the state, with local cop back up.

the case i read about was some guy up north, who bought some magazines, among other things, and was spotted getting into his car with them.

they ran the plate, got a warrant, then raided his house...

this was a few years ago, and i can't find the story quickly.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:08 PM (jaNjl)

158 153 Weasel, did you hear from the fellow with the spotting scopes?
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:07 PM (Sf7dd)
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I did and replied but owe him a follow up email.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:09 PM (o/+iT)

159 McGyver, I'm with you on the LCP. Yeah, snappy. But with that looong trigger pull I find I can stay on target. And it can be carried with any fashion ensemble.
.380? Yeah, bad-breath range.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:09 PM (zxBYp)

160 BTW, Insomniac, have you seen a good recipe on the Food Thread for worm? I'm thinking a marinade.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:03 PM (zxBYp)

I dunno. Dredging in seasoned flour and frying seems the way to go for worms.

When I was a kid, my dad told me that was how they made Cheetoes.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 08:09 PM (qc+VF)

161 I haven't bought ammo for awhile as I had quite enough ( is that possible) but I was in Academy yesterday and it appears ammo prices are quite low now relatively speaking. Picked up another couple hundred rounds of .45 and 9mm. Also a couple of boxes of .223 and .308. Somebody is going to inherit a lot of ammo if we avoid a civil war. I can't possibly shoot all I have at the range.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 01, 2019 08:10 PM (2DOZq)

162 Weasel, we've got a little brightner for Insom.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:10 PM (Sf7dd)

163 Sorry if the post was too
#@%&.
It was from Full Metal Jacket.
I almost like ya. Last ones I'd want to alienate .
I am sorry.

Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 08:10 PM (9PtLS)

164 No range time this week, but did have some quality gun time.

Son had talked me into doing an AR-15 build. Last one we did was 50 Beowulf. This one is 350 Legend.

Last night, he took me and Mrs IMG out for dinner and brought my upper. I have a stripped lower and trigger on hand. Need to get the rest and assemble.

Cabela's had a good deal on ammo ($10.99 a box w/ free shipping). So I got 30 boxes.

Started Prelim Marksmanship Instruction with Grandson the Elder, too. He wants to go deer hunting this year. The Legend may be good for him, so I'll build it light as I can. And I may swap out the flash suppressor for a brake, but I think the recoil may be low enough for his young frame.

Also brought home a used 336 in 35 Rem. It's been to the woods more than a few times. I'll borescope it, but seems nicely serviceable.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 01, 2019 08:11 PM (di1hb)

165 I did and replied but owe him a follow up email.

I'm bringing a 60 power scope, will that help?

Posted by: Panhandler at September 01, 2019 08:11 PM (S/rwf)

166 162 Weasel, we've got a little brightner for Insom.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:10 PM (Sf7dd)
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Good deal!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:11 PM (o/+iT)

167 83 42 Was listening to Dana Loesch Friday on way home and she talked about that slashing case, She said she would have drawn on the woman holding her for arrest. Of course Dana carries and has more trading with firearms than most.

So Dana feels that walking up to a situation without any legal authority or any knowledge of what is going on and drawing down with the intent to kill is a safe legal move?

Why couldn't another party come up and blast Dana away since she might be considered an accomplice to the slasher being held for the authorities?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 01, 2019 07:19 PM (lD3vL)

Wouldn't shooting the slasher be more appropriate?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 01, 2019 08:11 PM (bETih)

168 hogmartin, send me that list.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:03 PM (Sf7dd)

Aw, it's not for lack of trying. People can't show for one reason or another. A couple of years ago I wouldn't have been able to make it. Sometimes things just come up or schedules don't work out. What can you do?

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 08:11 PM (t+qrx)

169 165 I did and replied but owe him a follow up email.

I'm bringing a 60 power scope, will that help?
Posted by: Panhandler at September 01, 2019 08:11 PM (S/rwf)
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Sure will! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:12 PM (o/+iT)

170 Regarding the "pinky" extension.

I've shot my 1st gen. Ruger LCP without it.

I've shot my Taurus .380 both with and with out.

Both are "snappy" no matter how I hold them.

They are close in, last line of defense weapons. Pick your poison. But don't expect to engage beyond 10 yards with any accuracy.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 01, 2019 08:12 PM (3H9h1)

171 Weasel, someone would think you were an organic tree farmer with a day job what runs a gun thread.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:12 PM (Sf7dd)

172 On the other hand there are guns, pistols, that you pickup and it feels like part of your hand/arm.

One of my great disappointments was the first time I held a P#* and it just did not feel right. I's wanted one all of my then short life. I was bummed and at the time not justify a pistol that was not a great feel when I held it. With 20/20 hindsight I should have bought it no matter how it felt in my hand, It was only $175. I kick myself for not having done so.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 01, 2019 08:12 PM (pw+jk)

173 I'm bringing a 60 power scope, will that help?

Ditto that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 08:13 PM (qc+VF)

174 Would there be any interest in an AR15 building thread? I'd keep it short, unlike the epic reloading thing.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:13 PM (o/+iT)

175 Anybody else see that video clip of a Phila mobile phone store guy shooting a would-be robber? All happens very fast. But the good guy appears to put 3-4 *more* rounds into the bad guy as the latter is lying motionless on the ground [!]. No movement by the perp, but flashes clearly visible, trigger pulls, etc.

Unless I'm missing something, I think our good guy might have a problem.

AND .... if it's city of Phila ..... oh boy. Current DA is a brazen nutcase fascist "progressive", would imagine he would crucify the shooter if it's as dicey as it looks.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:14 PM (QDnY+)

176 171 Weasel, someone would think you were an organic tree farmer with a day job what runs a gun thread.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:12 PM (Sf7dd)
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I'm at the farm now - great night for stargazing,

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:14 PM (o/+iT)

177 Hairyback Guy, very cool !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:15 PM (XNDy+)

178 I vote yes on the AR building thread. Specifically, trigger mechanism upgrades and vices.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at September 01, 2019 08:15 PM (T8HPM)

179 178 I vote yes on the AR building thread. Specifically, trigger mechanism upgrades and vices.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at September 01, 2019 08:15 PM (T8HPM)
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OK!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:16 PM (o/+iT)

180 But the good guy appears to put 3-4 *more* rounds into the bad guy as the latter is lying motionless on the ground [!]. No movement by the perp, but flashes clearly visible, trigger pulls, etc.

Unless I'm missing something, I think our good guy might have a problem.

Yeah, who does he think he is? A cop?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 08:16 PM (qc+VF)

181 AR build thread would be great

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 08:17 PM (NWiLs)

182 Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at September 01, 2019 08:15 PM (T8HPM)
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And howdy! How's things?

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:17 PM (o/+iT)

183 and vices.

>>>178 I vote yes on the AR building thread. Specifically, trigger mechanism upgrades and vices.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at September 01, 2019 08:15 PM (T8HPM)

Especially vices!

Posted by: Braenyard at September 01, 2019 08:17 PM (bETih)

184 174 Would there be any interest in an AR15 building thread? I'd keep it short, unlike the epic reloading thing.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:13 PM (o/+iT)

Are you sh*tting me/us?
And BTW, your reloading thing was too short.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:18 PM (zxBYp)

185 Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:14 PM (QDnY+)

You reminded me of the Oklahoma pharmacist case . Poor guy convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life. And the Steinle murderer gets off without even a slap on the wrist. This is a fucked up world.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 01, 2019 08:18 PM (2DOZq)

186 Ursula Andress playing with shells.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 08:18 PM (xPIsN)

187 Weasel, aye aye to the AR building thread.

For the day I finally get around to building my first. I do have .... 2 receivers, iron sights, a bench block, reloading dies for 5.56/.223, and 2 cases of ammo.

Wait - you mean that's not really enough to get started?

And Weasel thanks as always for gubs!

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:18 PM (QDnY+)

188
And BTW, your reloading thing was too short.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:18 PM (zxBYp)
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I have a lot of things that are too short!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:19 PM (o/+iT)

189 RI Red Yeah. But that's what its for. Take one of Andrew Branca's classes. In Person seminar if possible. You won't regret it. EDC - Smallish pepper spray (non lethal), easily drawn lockback knife (less lethal, sorta), LCP for the Tuller drill. misc other items that seem to fit

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 01, 2019 08:19 PM (n2qq8)

190 Ben Had, is there any public land in TX for quail hunting, or is everything private? I'd like to go southwest with my bird dog some day.

Posted by: clutch at September 01, 2019 08:19 PM (6GlRA)

191 Last I heard Thursday maybe no charges were being filed in Philadelphia on the robbery attempt.

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 08:19 PM (BbGew)

192
And Weasel thanks as always for gubs!

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:18 PM (QDnY+)
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:20 PM (o/+iT)

193 I would be interested in info about assembling an upper, specifically headspacing and tools needed.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 08:20 PM (qc+VF)

194 I have a lot of things that are too short!

Curse of the Irish. That's why we compensate with gubs.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:21 PM (zxBYp)

195 I do love a good vice.

In this case though, I mean gun vices. I need to remove a stock flash hider and install a qd for my suppressor.

Weasel, I'm well. Working, taking care of my tiny people. Same ol, same ol.

How are you and the missus? And have you built your range yet?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at September 01, 2019 08:21 PM (T8HPM)

196 P#* should be P38.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 01, 2019 08:21 PM (pw+jk)

197 FL barometric pressure down to 1012 the 1016 line is at the FL/GA line.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 01, 2019 08:21 PM (bETih)

198 Video is at the Breaking911 twatters thread for those interested. Yeah, whoa, I think our good guy's gonna need an even better lawyer than he would have anyway. Yikes.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:21 PM (QDnY+)

199 Hairyback Guy, very cool !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:15 PM (XNDy+)

Thanks Sock Rat!

Funny part was I bought the blanks by mistake, in a bunch of 7.62 x 39 rounds in unmarked brown wrapping from Mother Russia, and had forgotten all about the practice grenades sitting on my shelf.

Then it all came together.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 08:21 PM (Z+IKu)

200 193 I would be interested in info about assembling an upper, specifically headspacing and tools needed.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 08:20 PM (qc+VF)
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I can do a lower (easy) but have never built an upper.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:21 PM (o/+iT)

201 An relatively obscure variant, the Pachmayr "Gripper-Pro" offers a much more "squared" profile as compared to any other Pachmayr model.

Slightly "finger grooved", the front of the grip is relatively flat across the front-strap area, and the "Pro" is an Open Backstrap design, following the factory contour to the bottom of the grip-frame, and continuing on another 1/4" or so.

End result? Best recoil-absorption of any of the "rubber grips", not due to "softness", but rather, to a SUPERB engineering of recoil force distribution across much wider surfaces.

The ergonomics on these, at least to my hand, feel like I molded the grips myself, onto a wet-clay blank.

I'll have the S&W Highway Patrolman Model 28 there at the Mo Meet. Y'allz is welcome to shoots it!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

p.s. @ Weasel. That Nightforce scope is MINE & on the way now. For $50 less than asking, too.

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 08:22 PM (QzJWU)

202 And BTW, your reloading thing was too short.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:18 PM (zxBYp)
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I have a lot of things that are too short!
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:19 PM (o/+iT

It's the girth of the post that counts.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 01, 2019 08:22 PM (2DOZq)

203 Weasel, AR build thread ?
Want.
Got a stripped lower sitting at my elbow as I type.

Mt lifetime in R&D has left me without fear of doing what I have never done before, which is why I bought it, but I would never scorn a few sage words from those who know.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:23 PM (XNDy+)

204
p.s. @ Weasel. That Nightforce scope is MINE & on the way now. For $50 less than asking, too.

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 08:22 PM (QzJWU)
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Nice! Congratulations.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:23 PM (o/+iT)

205 Jukin yeah you should have

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 08:24 PM (BbGew)

206 Skip check out the video. Happy to hear no charges, but wow. Hard to see how even a normal DA would not do something in this case.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:24 PM (QDnY+)

207 clutch, We have plenty of dove in my area but no quail. I would venture that anything in south Texas is going to be private.

I can help ya with a hog hunt though.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 08:24 PM (Sf7dd)

208 McGyver, I've memorized Branca's book. And my EDC is the same. Except for the pepper spray. I've substituted a #32 baseball bat.
Hard to fit in the pants. But it covers up the Irish disease.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:25 PM (zxBYp)

209 I'm slowly assembling an ultralight for Mrs928 to try to get her interested in rifles. She does not much care for rifles now, particularly my heavy milsurps with their weight and recoil. You can save a lot of money when you aren't in any hurry and can wait for sales or people unloading new parts they didn't need. I just got a Faxxon 16" midlength barrel for $160 delivered by keeping my eyes open. I was hoping that DSA would have a big sale this weekend so I could get the sand cut ultralight BCG they make.

I'm shooting for under 5 lbs. She should like that I think.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 01, 2019 08:25 PM (yQpMk)

210 Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:05 PM (QDnY+)

-=--i haven't seen anything on the ammo law yet, but a quick search shows busts for magazine purchases, and straw purchases of gubs in Nevada with NV ID obtained fraudulently.

and i wouldn't put anything past the fascists in the CA DOJ.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:25 PM (jaNjl)

211 "Would there be any interest in an AR15 building thread?" Would there? Oh, hells yeah. and we could go on and on about assembling (a guy I know says you assemble an AR, you BUILD an AK) a Grendel or a 300 blackout or a LR308 or, or more!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 01, 2019 08:25 PM (n2qq8)

212 Thanks Ben Had but my pointer would probably run from hogs.

Posted by: clutch at September 01, 2019 08:26 PM (Z3oWA)

213 Joyce DeWitt and Suzanne Somers were both 30 years old when playing in 3s Company

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 08:27 PM (BbGew)

214 Lost my chance to get stripped lowers this weekend.

Gun show canceled because of hurricane.
I cannot believe they would cancel a gun show because of a hurricane. Whatever happened to Florida Man?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 01, 2019 08:27 PM (1g7ch)

215 The range we use has a couple of steel falling plate areas. Reactive targets are always fun but I use them in defensive drills. The idea is to knock over the plates as quickly as possible while keeping some degree of control. It forces you to concentrate on the front sight and consistent trigger pulls. This is one of the few times I shoot fast.

Anyone else do speed runs like this? It can be humbling when you miss half the 12 inch diameter plates at only 20 yards.

Posted by: JTB at September 01, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3)

216 Its amazing that every reporter, and every politician, runs to a microphone whenever there is a high profile shooting.

Way before they know any of the facts of the case, they are pontificating upon how WE should live.

Yet they are silent on the many murders that happen in Chicago, or most other big cities, every damn day.

Posted by: Don Q at September 01, 2019 08:28 PM (NgKpN)

217 I can do a lower (easy) but have never built an upper.

Yeah, me neither and it's looking like I'll have to to get what I want.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 08:28 PM (qc+VF)

218
Anyone else do speed runs like this? It can be humbling when you miss half the 12 inch diameter plates at only 20 yards.
Posted by: JTB at September 01, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3)
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That's the idea behind hits being more important than tiny groups.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:29 PM (o/+iT)

219 red - busts for mag buys based on surveillance out of state? A straw purchase/fake ID is of course a good thing to bust, not really what we're talking about. Federal offense.

I very much do not expect the CA fuzz to go to the effort and legal risk it would take to enforce the ammo or mag laws. That would surprise me. Diligence and effort are not the hallmarks of LE here.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:29 PM (QDnY+)

220 "Then it all came together.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 08:21 PM (Z+IKu) "

A lotta good stuff happens that way !

Gonna tell Shooting Buddy about that ... he's got an SKS, and so do I; it's what sits in the back of the truck wrapped in a towel and a black garbage bag with the jack and the lug wrench & a litter of hand tools.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:29 PM (XNDy+)

221 "still want to convert my Rem 870 12 ga. To a home defense gun since I don't like it for clays."

1) Unscrew mag tube cap.
2) Pull off duck barrel.
3) Insert 18 1/2" riot barrel.
4) Screw mag tube cap back on.

If it's an Express, throw in a metal magazine follower and machined extractor (twenty bucks each, easy install). And you'll have to grind off the nubbins in the mag tube if you decide you need an extended mag.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 01, 2019 08:29 PM (j4zcI)

222 Although Ben, there is a lot of bird hunting by horseback. Dogs with a lot of legs to get way out there.

Posted by: clutch at September 01, 2019 08:30 PM (Z3oWA)

223 Ben Had, how big is your spread in TX? Girthy?
I take it that hogs sort of just take over.
I love shootin' bacon.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:30 PM (zxBYp)

224
One of my kids gets assaulted like those two and it's guaranteed the assailant gets shot.

Couldn't care less about the perceived legality or lack of in the situation.

No way is it allowable and I flat don't give a shit about any arguing the response.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 01, 2019 08:30 PM (KATBx)

225 How about a BAR building thread after the AR building thread?

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 08:30 PM (BbGew)

226 194 I have a lot of things that are too short!

Curse of the Irish. That's why we compensate with gubs.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:21 PM (zxBYp)

the only thing I have that is too short?

My Patience.

And its diminishing more as time goes on.

Posted by: Don Q at September 01, 2019 08:31 PM (NgKpN)

227 Whatever happened to Florida Man?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 01, 2019 08:27 PM

Bad run in with Triangle Man.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:32 PM (Lkiqj)

228 225 How about a BAR building thread after the AR building thread?
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 08:30 PM (BbGew)

Will the BAR have shelves, to hold the liquor?

If so, we might want to keep Ace away from it!

Posted by: Don Q at September 01, 2019 08:32 PM (NgKpN)

229 Gonna tell Shooting Buddy about that ... he's got an SKS, and so do I; it's what sits in the back of the truck wrapped in a towel and a black garbage bag with the jack and the lug wrench & a litter of hand tools.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:29 PM (XNDy+)

Hahaha...yup! As it should be....the SKS is indestructible even in the hands of a Russian draftee back in the day.

Perfect truck gun.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 08:32 PM (Z+IKu)

230 Grump I share your strategy - save $ by patiently buying sales and private bargain sales. I just haven't executed. Hmmm, I am sorta looking for a 16-inch mid-length Faxon barrel myself, in fact. Are those still available at that price? [I'd also like a factory-pinned gas block on that]

Whole AR build thing looks pretty easy, only thing that seems sporty would be mounting the barrel to the receiver, and headspacing.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:33 PM (QDnY+)

231 My SandW snubbie doesn't have room for a pinky, natch. I've before used to curling it under the bottom of the grip, sorta letting it resist any tendency for the gun to roll with recoil. The little booger stings a bit with full power loads.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at September 01, 2019 08:33 PM (T+ERo)

232 Gotta run. Giggles is calling. ThanX! Weasel and everyone!

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at September 01, 2019 08:34 PM (n2qq8)

233 I built my first AR lower at four in the morning, in my bathrobe, on Thanksgiving, when I had insomnia. Took about an hour.

Uppers are a little more labor-intensive, but not much.

Beware. Once you start, it's hard to stop. I now stand at three lowers and six uppers, in three calibers.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 01, 2019 08:35 PM (j4zcI)

234 Hiya!

Ben Had, I will get Insom his great in the mail this week. I promise. I feel bad I've not done it yet

All y'all going to Texas...

Pleas know I am so happy and jazzed for you to meet and talk and join together. It is so very cool that we have the capability of bringing together so many folks, different ages, different upbringings..
But a core of beliefs that is common.

I hope to be able to join y'all soon.

I'll be there in spirit, anyway.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 01, 2019 08:35 PM (PkVlr)

235 Posted by: McGyver at September 01, 2019 08:34 PM (n2qq

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Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:35 PM (o/+iT)

236 Joyce is 70 now, Suzanne is 72 soon 73, I'm getting old

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 08:36 PM (BbGew)

237 Don Q I just updated the Horde earlier today on this, August fatal shootings in Chicago were down 2O% over last year. 2O%! They're turning their lives around, or something. And only 45 fatal shootings last month - I mean you don't really think *that* is anything that would make a pol run to a microphone, do you?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:36 PM (QDnY+)

238 Yes on the AR build thread, as long as M4 receives no disrespect

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at September 01, 2019 08:37 PM (9Tukj)

239 "Anyone else do speed runs like this? It can be humbling when you miss half the 12 inch diameter plates at only 20 yards.

Posted by: JTB at September 01, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3) "

Used to have several plates-on-chains that I had hanging from trees but we sold that place years ago and I so need to get them deployed on Shooting Buddy's outdoor range area.
Kind of scrap-yard randomized, but all 8x10 - 9x12 size in 1/4 - 5/16 inch hotrolled plate.

They made outstanding targets for that kind of offhand reactive / defensive shooting practice. Thanks for reminding me, still enough time to use them this year if I unass promptly !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:37 PM (XNDy+)

240 Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 01, 2019 08:35 PM (PkVlr)

Nurse, you live anywhere near Lewiston Idaho? There is a car there I wanna buy.

Posted by: clutch at September 01, 2019 08:39 PM (Z3oWA)

241 Weasel, when you do the AR build thread, please put something in about 6.5 creed. Yeah, fanboi, but it might be something that I can move forward on in the short term.
Also, did you already do Optics On A Budget?

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:39 PM (zxBYp)

242 Range report:

Went with Mark. Focus was two handed accuracy, focus and control. It was a little comforting after the last three weeks of one handed and off handed shooting.
I put 50 rounds through my 1911 and it felt pretty good. But my EOTWAWKI gun is my Glock 19. We did a lot of dry firing and muscle memory. I found my stance is odd, but works for me.
I felt good, and I almost kept up with Mark!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 01, 2019 08:39 PM (PkVlr)

243 Are those still available at that price? [I'd also like a factory-pinned gas block on that]

It was a private party sale so it was the only one. On the Faxxon site they are $175 + shipping. They have a 14.5" pencil barrel with the hider pinned on for $259.00, but they are currently sold out.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 01, 2019 08:39 PM (yQpMk)

244 search "california man arrested for buying gun magazines in nevada" in your favorite search engine.

you will NOT come up empty.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:40 PM (jaNjl)

245 Last I heard Philly good guy won't face charges. Soros DA would be stupid to charge him. No jury would convict.

Posted by: kallisto at September 01, 2019 08:40 PM (XMhQP)

246 In that Philly shooting, the perp retained his gun and was moving both legs until the clerk fired his final shot.

Posted by: cool breeze at September 01, 2019 08:41 PM (UGKMd)

247 174 Would there be any interest in an AR15 building thread? I'd keep it short, unlike the epic reloading thing.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:13 PM (o/+iT)

Yes.

I can see there's several folks here who have not built one and want to. It might be helpful to spend some time on tools that are really helpful, but not essential, and why someone who might only build one rifle should think about getting a specialty tool for a single use.

Corollary to the tools are which parts one should have on hand for spares in case of loss during the build.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 01, 2019 08:41 PM (di1hb)

248
Also, did you already do Optics On A Budget?
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:39 PM (zxBYp)
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Not yet!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:41 PM (o/+iT)

249 Hellooooooo nurse!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 08:41 PM (NWiLs)

250 That Sig P230SL looks a lot like a Bernardelli. Or did somebody already say that?

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2019 08:41 PM (UUkQp)

251 I would like to hear optics on a budget.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:42 PM (Lkiqj)

252 the M-4 gets all the respect it earns.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:42 PM (jaNjl)

253 Clutch,
Lewiston is about 6 hours away
But if it's a weekend, I could make it out there.

Email Mark. We could get in touch

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 01, 2019 08:42 PM (PkVlr)

254
I felt good, and I almost kept up with Mark!
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 01, 2019 08:39 PM (PkVlr)
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Good job!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:42 PM (o/+iT)

255 I would like to hear optics on a budget.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:42 PM (Lkiqj)

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buy the best glass you can afford.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:43 PM (jaNjl)

256 In that Philly shooting, the perp retained his gun and was moving both legs until the clerk fired his final shot.
Posted by: cool breeze at September 01, 2019 08:41 PM (UGKMd)

The only charge that I might consider is Abuse of Corpse.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 01, 2019 08:43 PM (2DOZq)

257 @114 Nearsider, it's a damn shame that shooting tiny groups is not for the cool kids any more, because that CZ is one of the finest for that useless OCD trick. I did some testing with those, years back, even had some heart-to-heart with some of their factory guys.

Not that it matters -- since target shooting is now, we are given to understand here, totally obsolete -- but back when certain Anschutz models and uncle's-closet Winchester 52's were about all that were worth bringing to a match NOT THAT ANYONE HERE WOULD EVER LOWER THEMSELVES TO SHOOT IN A MATCH -- when the CZ American came on the scene, the only reason it wasn't competitive for that useless and reviled form of shooting was that the factory insisted on sweating-on a hooded front sight which was not a globe-sight, the front sight you would use for competition. And, for reasons of their own, the factory did not have an easy way to un-sweat that field sight. Its out-of-the-box accuracy was impressive, and its potential was unlimited.

If you have the front hood removed, as you would for some sound-attenuating device, it would be no trouble at all to fit up a Redfield front globe sight, and then you would have an eminently competent rifle for a sport the bang-bang shoot-em-up mall ninjas here don't see the need for.

You boys play nice now.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 01, 2019 08:43 PM (8ZmvG)

258 Thanks Grump. I have to resume vigilance if I really expect to begin amassing the key parts. Just going for a very basic, simple, light carbine in 5.56.

Actually only practical accuracy interests me. Just not a precision/bullseye type. And even, as is typical, I'm looking at paper on a range, I'll want to make it interesting by shooting off-hand, changing positions, rapid and with reload, etc. Just personal taste.

And reactive targets much, much preferred.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:44 PM (QDnY+)

259 Weasel and IMG, I think AR 15 parts kits would be a good topic. I have some spares, but probably woefully inadequate.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:44 PM (zxBYp)

260 *backs up*
*wiggles*

*full sprint*
*POUNCE!*

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 01, 2019 08:44 PM (PkVlr)

261 Whole AR build thing looks pretty easy, only thing that seems sporty would be mounting the barrel to the receiver, and headspacing.
Posted by: rhomboid

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I'm no skilled gunsmith but have built two AR platforms after watching/helping on one other. It is really a straightforward build. Mounting the barrels wasn't difficult.

As for checking the headspace, I haven't done that for either of my two rifles. Maybe I should have but didn't see the need.

Stand by. . .

Checked with #4 son - previously a gunnersmate in the Navy and did loads of work with all the weapons aboard his ships. His opinion is that if you buy decent components, there is no need to check the headspace. He said the parts are machined to decent tolerances these days and it simply isn't needed.

But I am no expert.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 01, 2019 08:44 PM (Y4EXg)

262 49 Nevada has lots of great places to buy ammo.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 07:17 PM (7o/VJ)

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and #Failifornia has cops over there, just looking for people doing that, or buying magazines, etc.

good way to lose all your gubs.

and your freedom too.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 07:22 PM (jaNjl)
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complete bulls**t. California is nearly lost for good. My state is trying to be as morally corrupt, but still a few years behind Cali, as they usually are.

I have to stop my self now from commenting further. I'm really pissed off at these effing traitors to the Constitution. Their actions will bring the opposite of what they supposedly desire, peace and goodwill.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 01, 2019 08:44 PM (sy5kK)

263
buy the best glass you can afford.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:43 PM (jaNjl)
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Agree

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:45 PM (o/+iT)

264 Gun show canceled because of hurricane.
I cannot believe they would cancel a gun show because of a hurricane. Whatever happened to Florida Man?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 01, 2019 08:27 PM (1g7ch)

Florida Man remains strong, proud, and deranged. The pusillanimous yellow-bellies in charge of the gun show venue do not share in Florida Man's tradition of laughing in the face of danger, then gnawing it off.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 08:45 PM (NWiLs)

265 255 I would like to hear optics on a budget.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:42 PM (Lkiqj)
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Burris builds some good optics for the budget minded.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 08:45 PM (WEBkv)

266 I was at the range yesterday, doing what I always do - shooting clays with my little 20-gauge Mossberg 500, which is not a trap gun but a home-defense weapon. Wasn't keeping a strict count, but I hit around 40% - down from the week before when I hit around 75%, but I guess I can't expect to do that well every time.
Get 'em next week...

Posted by: Annalucia at September 01, 2019 08:45 PM (S6ArX)

267 174 Would there be any interest in an AR15 building thread? I'd keep it short, unlike the epic reloading thing.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:13 PM (o/+iT)

Yes, please ! ! !

Topics like caliber choices / tradeoffs; required tools; tips & techniques would be of interest to me.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at September 01, 2019 08:46 PM (bjCNA)

268 251 I would like to hear optics on a budget.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:42 PM (Lkiqj)

You're gonna need a bigger budget.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 08:46 PM (NWiLs)

269 260 *backs up*
*wiggles*

*full sprint*
*POUNCE!*
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 01, 2019 08:44 PM (PkVlr)

OOMPH! Ha ha! Whee!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 08:47 PM (NWiLs)

270 Mentioning the Reloading stuff, in conjunction with some SHTF stuff.

Gunbroker has .30 cal Raufus projectiles available for purchase there. 'Bout ten bucks per, but if you know what that thing *does*, you might want to have twenty or so loaded up.

Just in case.

Bad guy hiding behind a cinder block wall?

That round lets you turn significant portions of said wall into lethal shrapnel. I know in the .50 BMG size, that's about a six to ten ft. lethal radius on the exit side of the wall.

I'd presume the .30 cal ought to offer about 3 ft. to 4 ft. of misery, there.

It would be worth "sacrificing" one of those "500" steel plates, with a broad sheet of brown wrapping paper set up about 5' behind the plate. Just to see what the damage zone sizes out to be.

Digressing....yes, hits outweigh tiny groups in the real world. Which is why Falling / Swinging Plate stages are so valuable in IDPA and other matches.

I'll preach it again. Master this with the Double Action Revolver, and you'll be WAY better with every other gun out of your safe in the bargain.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 08:47 PM (QzJWU)

271 27 People Shot, 7 Killed In Chicago So Far This Weekend . . . And No One Seems To Care

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Well, it is a three day weekend so expect those numbers to rise.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 01, 2019 08:48 PM (+y/Ru)

272 Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 01, 2019 08:42 PM (PkVlr)

Will do. E. Washington is another place on my bird hunting bucket list, but it is a long drive from here.

Posted by: clutch at September 01, 2019 08:49 PM (Z3oWA)

273 Bleg: anyone have suggestions/recommendations on a torque wrench set up for installing sights to spec w/o Fing things up from too loose/too tight?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:50 PM (jaNjl)

274 buy the best glass you can afford.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:43 PM (jaNjl)
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Agree
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:45 PM

*examines wallet*

*looks at ammo stocks*

Hmmm...good glass will have to wait a while.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:50 PM (Lkiqj)

275 "Perfect truck gun.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 08:32 PM (Z+IKu) "

Exactly !
Just about time for its kinda-semi-annual outing, in fact.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:50 PM (XNDy+)

276 OT: made it home

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 01, 2019 08:51 PM (ykYG2)

277 203
My lifetime in R&D has left me without fear of doing what I have never done before . . .

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:23 PM (XNDy+)

Same here. I consider it my super power, although occasionally things go bad. Very bad.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at September 01, 2019 08:51 PM (bjCNA)

278 273 Bleg: anyone have suggestions/recommendations on a torque wrench set up for installing sights to spec w/o Fing things up from too loose/too tight?
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:50 PM (jaNjl)
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redc1c4- remind me and I'll give you the specifics of my torque wrenches when I get home tomorrow.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:52 PM (o/+iT)

279 What about mounts? Is there a ballpark for the fraction of your optics budget that should go to the mounts?

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 08:52 PM (t+qrx)

280 Well, it's been a very laborious Labor Day Sunday.
As much as I hate to fade, ....
Weasel, hope Weasel Dog loves his MAGA collar.
Does Weasel Woman have one?
Aaah, probably shouldn't ask. We have enough of that stuff with Nurse and Insom pouncing.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:53 PM (zxBYp)

281 273 Bleg: anyone have suggestions/recommendations on a torque wrench set up for installing sights to spec w/o Fing things up from too loose/too tight?
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:50 PM (jaNjl)

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I bought a torque screw driver from Amazon for setting up my scope.

see here:

https://tinyurl.com/y4rtjt3m

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 08:53 PM (WEBkv)

282 OK red I found one story but it was definitely not someone like you or I buying a 15-round pistol mag at Cabela's near Reno for our own use. Info is very sketchy but appears to have been a guy looking to re-sell, and the inclusion of guns in the picture means basic federal violation, not CA violation. And no info about surveillance out of state.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:53 PM (QDnY+)

283 Grip is one of your most important fundamentals. I can't think of one pistol I haven't either ordered with a modified grip or modified myself.

The new Sig modular pistols are a perfect example.

Look at their offerings such as the p365 and p365xl.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 01, 2019 08:54 PM (8ts9m)

284 Looking at the German elections. If the CDU and the AfD joined, they would have had over 50% in Brandenburg and Saxony each, smashing the Left to smithereens.

As it is, each individually is ahead of all the other also-rans.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 01, 2019 08:55 PM (ykYG2)

285 279 What about mounts? Is there a ballpark for the fraction of your optics budget that should go to the mounts?
Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 08:52 PM (t+qrx)
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This is not the place to save money, either. It always made me nuts to see a guy with a $5k custom rifle and a $2k scope putting them together with $20 rings and bases. I buy mine from an aerospace machinist.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:55 PM (o/+iT)

286 The grate peeple of Obamaboro have taken up a donation fund to help all persins of coler effected by that Herricane thing in Florida. Pleese donate to help and do something good for this cuntry for once !! Pleese comes buy the Obamaboro Gay and Lesbian Reproducktive Hellth cenetr to makes your donation .. What has your town done to help these peeple effected ???

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Obamaboro, VT and proud of it !!!! at September 01, 2019 08:56 PM (qM84C)

287 *examines wallet*

*looks at ammo stocks*

Hmmm...good glass will have to wait a while.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:50 PM (Lkiqj)

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i get e-mails from EuroOptic and Optics Planet all the times with sales on scopes.

someone here had a bad experience with EO, but they've been fine with us.

YMMV.

sign up, and wait for something to hit the sweet spot for funding and price range.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:56 PM (jaNjl)

288 The Narrative is strong though. AfD is "Far Right".

Since they are the second-strongest party in these states, that makes them just... the Right. The CDU is the Left party, by default, just by not being as Right. The rest are far left.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 01, 2019 08:57 PM (ykYG2)

289 282 OK red I found one story but it was definitely not someone like you or I buying a 15-round pistol mag at Cabela's near Reno for our own use. Info is very sketchy but appears to have been a guy looking to re-sell, and the inclusion of guns in the picture means basic federal violation, not CA violation. And no info about surveillance out of state.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:53 PM (QDnY+)
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It's sort of understood that CA cops are watching larger sporting goods stores in NV and aren't above pulling someone over that comes into CA that was spotted at one of the stores.

The problem is: It may very well not be true, however, I wouldn't put it past CA to do such a thing.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 08:57 PM (WEBkv)

290 What has your town done to help these peeple effected ???

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Obamaboro, VT and proud of it !!!! at September 01, 2019 08:56 PM (qM84C)

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we're shooting looters.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:57 PM (jaNjl)

291
OT: made it home

Posted by: boulder t'hobo

That's geat.
Poor Steve Winwood still can't find his way home.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 08:57 PM (JVAak)

292 Tonypete, I have the same impression on headspace - and you can buy components that are already checked together, though harder to come up with bargains that way [recall a few vendors offering BCGs headspaced to their barrels]. Just mentioned it as one of the few things that didn't seem very basic and easy [checking it of course is easy - just need gauges - but fixing a problem might be different].

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 08:58 PM (QDnY+)

293 "Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 08:50 PM (jaNjl) "

It depends on the sight. For dovetail sights I have a tool from Wheeler Engineering. Pricey, but worth every penny.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 01, 2019 08:58 PM (8ts9m)

294 This is not the place to save money, either. It always made me nuts to see a guy with a $5k custom rifle and a $2k scope putting them together with $20 rings and bases. I buy mine from an aerospace machinist.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:55 PM (o/+iT)
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Yeah, rings should cost at least $25!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 08:59 PM (WEBkv)

295 Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2019 08:53 PM (zxBYp)
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All good brother. See you next week.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 08:59 PM (o/+iT)

296 "266 I was at the range yesterday, doing what I always do - shooting clays with my little 20-gauge Mossberg 500, which is not a trap gun but a home-defense weapon. Wasn't keeping a strict count, but I hit around 40% - down from the week before when I hit around 75%, but I guess I can't expect to do that well every time.
Get 'em next week...

Posted by: Annalucia at September 01, 2019 08:45 PM (S6ArX) "

Good for you, Annalucia !
Used to do the same thing with my home-defense-configured 12 ga. Remington 870, loads of fun !

see 144, above.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 08:59 PM (XNDy+)

297 "Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:50 PM (Lkiqj) "

Three words. SWFA Sample List.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 01, 2019 09:00 PM (8ts9m)

298 LOL I wouldn't put it past CA LEO to open up their own ammo shop somewhere, maybe Sparks, maybe Reno, just for the purpose of ensnaring CA residents making illegal purchases.
I've seen worse.

Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at September 01, 2019 09:01 PM (w7KSn)

299 Good news. Bernie wants to cancel all medical debt and make it illegal for medical debt to affect credit scores.

In other words Bernie wants all private hospitals to declare bankruptcy.

This is why the left always wins in the end. They wont outright declare private care illegal they will simply make it impossible for private care to exist.

Same with guns. They wont ban guns outright. They will make it impossible to make, sell or buy them via taxes and regulation.

And the GOP will go along with it cuz suburbs!!! Or something.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at September 01, 2019 09:01 PM (FiUMj)

300 blake I don't claim to know for sure, but I am far beyond extremely skeptical that CA is putting the $, time, and energy into an op to nab people buying a 15-round mag or a case of 9mm in NV or AZ.

In any case, as a citizen who is purer than the driven snow, it would never occur to me to circumvent any CA law, no matter how idiotic or unconstitutional, thus the whole topic is academic to me.

Wipe that grin off your face.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 09:01 PM (QDnY+)

301 "
233 I built my first AR lower at four in the morning, in my bathrobe, on Thanksgiving, when I had insomnia. Took about an hour.

Uppers are a little more labor-intensive, but not much.

Beware. Once you start, it's hard to stop. I now stand at three lowers and six uppers, in three calibers.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 01, 2019 08:35 PM (j4zcI) "

That's kinda what I figured on, pretty much how I built the stainless 1911, I mostly just haven't kicked out the $ for all the other parts ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:01 PM (XNDy+)

302 ...I would like to hear QUALITY optics on a budget.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 08:42 PM (Lkiqj)

That's going to be pretty much in the $500 to $900 range. A great many quality manufacturers, and your choice is going to be driven more by features and reputation, than by brand alone.

Go over $1,000, and you're getting into the low-end of the Professional zone.

Break the $2,000 barrier, and you're out there running with (some of) the Big Boys.

$3,000 and up, you're ranking with the best of them, be they Tactical or Precision Competition types.

And yes, there are even spendier scopes than those.

I suppose there are few folks out there too, with equipment and skills demanding of such. But damn few.

Going full circle though. I've killed LOTS of deer with a simple 6x42 Leupold fixed power mounted on a Ruger 77 International in .308.

Long as you're not buying a scope that's packaged in "blister pack" and hanging on the pegboard at Wal Mart, the odds are you're going to get a "good enough" scope for out to 200 yards.

Further, and inferior optics, parts, assembly and design, will really begin to show.

Here's the problem in today's world. Entry level rifles such as the Savage Axis, Ruger American, etc, all around $300 or so, offer so great of an "out of the box" accuracy, that it'd be a SIN to put a "mere" $300 scope on one.

You want to get everything the rifle offers, start at least $500, not including mounts and rings.

Don't skimp on those, either!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:02 PM (QzJWU)

303 It's sort of understood that CA cops are watching larger sporting goods stores in NV and aren't above pulling someone over that comes into CA that was spotted at one of the stores.

The problem is: It may very well not be true, however, I wouldn't put it past CA to do such a thing.
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 08:57 PM (WEBkv)

And the Police's Jurisdiction ends... where?

First time someone gets nailed using an out of state surveillance as probably cause, expect it to go to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Don Q at September 01, 2019 09:02 PM (NgKpN)

304 they may be holding off on the ammo law enforcement out of state, because that is one of the arguments raised in the suit.

they might figure there's no sense helping the plaintiffs by proving their point, when they can just wait for the 9th Circus to pronounce it totes legal to do so.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 09:03 PM (jaNjl)

305 And on thread topic - the CZ-83 is the one gun that feels most natural in the hand. Points very naturally.

I rather like all my various gubs, can't think of any that don't feel right, but the CZ is the most natural, maybe because small, not very heavy either.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 09:04 PM (QDnY+)

306 298 LOL I wouldn't put it past CA LEO to open up their own ammo shop somewhere, maybe Sparks, maybe Reno, just for the purpose of ensnaring CA residents making illegal purchases.
I've seen worse.
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You would know it was a trap because (1) it would be open four hours a day weekdays and closed weekends; (2) the help would be scarce, rude and overpaid; (3) they would be out of everything.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2019 09:04 PM (7o/VJ)

307 Yeah, rings should cost at least $25!
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 08:59 PM (WEBkv)

Yeah, three months' pay, right?

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 09:04 PM (t+qrx)

308 Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:02 PM (QzJWU)
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Couldn't have said it better!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:04 PM (o/+iT)

309 First time someone gets nailed using an out of state surveillance as probably cause, expect it to go to the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Don Q at September 01, 2019 09:02 PM (NgKpN)

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Bring it.

*inks up ITS A TAX stamp*

Posted by: Chief Justice J. Roberts, A Solid Conservative Pick at September 01, 2019 09:06 PM (7o/VJ)

310 Barrett makes a "zero gap" ring (various sizes/flavors) that is supposed to make sure the ring holds the tube all the way around, which would make it a surer grip, which would effect maintaining zero.

they're ~$200, but with optics i believe in "buy once, cry once"

so does Jim, apparently.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 09:06 PM (jaNjl)

311 And the GOP will go along with it cuz suburbs!!! Or something.

We are focused on the values of Colorado. The Democrats aren't, despite that they win elections. So we'll be refocusing this campaign on what Coloradans want, whatever that is.

Do you really NEED that ar-15 with the thing that goes up?

Posted by: the Fiercely Severely Republican Corey Gardner campaign at September 01, 2019 09:06 PM (ykYG2)

312
And the GOP will go along with it cuz suburbs!!! Or something.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at September 01, 2019 09:01 PM

White suburbian women

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2019 09:06 PM (aKsyK)

313 "307 Yeah, rings should cost at least $25!
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 08:59 PM (WEBkv)

Yeah, three months' pay, right?

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 01, 2019 09:04 PM (t+qrx) "

LOL !

At the time, Mrs Eez was in the julery biz ... we both picked out our wedding rings from a gallon size Baggie-full from the safe of her business partner. Don't think we spent much more than a c-note for both.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:08 PM (XNDy+)

314 AR building is addictive. I've built three NY/CA compliant AR-15s for my kids and an AR-15 pistol for myself. Multiple builds helped justify cost of tools.

I have a lower and an upper receiver sitting in the basement; not sure what do with them.

Posted by: butch at September 01, 2019 09:09 PM (hXu8T)

315 I've pretty much gone to BO, KAC or Larue scope mounts and rings with few exceptions. Some of the newer Leupold stuff isn't bad either.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 01, 2019 09:09 PM (8ts9m)

316 And the Police's Jurisdiction ends... where?

First time someone gets nailed using an out of state surveillance as probably cause, expect it to go to the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Don Q at September 01, 2019 09:02 PM (NgKpN)
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After reading "Licensed to Lie" I no longer believe in redress through the courts.

Rhomboid makes a good point @300 but, this is CA and they make and enforce their own laws, regardless of the Constitution.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 09:09 PM (WEBkv)

317 Nevada needs to arresting some California cops.

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2019 09:10 PM (UUkQp)

318 *looks up, out window*

gettin' dark out there

'Bout time, thanks for a nother Nug Tread !

Look forward to it Evry Weak !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:11 PM (XNDy+)

319 In any case, as a citizen who is purer than the driven snow, it would never occur to me to circumvent any CA law, no matter how idiotic or unconstitutional, thus the whole topic is academic to me.

Wipe that grin off your face.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 09:01 PM (QDnY+)
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LOL!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 09:13 PM (WEBkv)

320 I have a CCW license but I don't normally carry. I'm wondering what makes you carry. Is it working or living in a dangerous neighborhood?

Posted by: FloridaMan at September 01, 2019 09:13 PM (r28kI)

321 I'm working, so no range time for the next 24 days. But I did get out 2 weeks ago and put enough lead through the new 300 BLK upper to make sure it ran and sight in the scope.
I really enjoyed the round. What little recoil there was was straight back with very little muzzle rise. 1 MOA groups with factory Hornady 125 grain SST.
I would have put some 9mm down range, but the "feels like" temp at the time was around 106 degrees. Gotta love SETX in August.

Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at September 01, 2019 09:14 PM (YE85g)

322 ...Nevada needs to arresting some California cops.

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2019 09:10 PM (UUkQp)

Amen to that, bruddah.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:14 PM (QzJWU)

323 318 *looks up, out window*

gettin' dark out there

'Bout time, thanks for a nother Nug Tread !

Look forward to it Evry Weak !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:11 PM (XNDy+)
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My pleasure. Thanks for tuning in each week!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:14 PM (o/+iT)

324 Well, I'm off, thanks again for another great thread, sir Weasel!

Later, all!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 09:14 PM (WEBkv)

325 Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:02 PM

Well said. Will search accordingly. Inherited a beautiful Winchester Model 70 target rifle. Needs good glass.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 09:15 PM (Lkiqj)

326 320 I have a CCW license but I don't normally carry. I'm wondering what makes you carry. Is it working or living in a dangerous neighborhood?
Posted by: FloridaMan at September 01, 2019 09:13 PM (r28kI)
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For me, it's the situations I cannot anticipate.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:15 PM (o/+iT)

327 po' me...

opened up one of the toy chests so i could clean her M-99, and had to move some weird gub out of the way....

i was like "WTF is this?"

then it dawned on me: it was a Spanish Mauser barrelled receiver we bought for dirt a few years ago, that we had the local toy store re-do, with Parkerization, etc, on a sporterized stock they had lying around in the spare parts bin.

got get it to the range and see how it does.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 09:15 PM (jaNjl)

328 AR tools - years ago I bought, in cosmoline, a brick of 10 objects purporting to be the field service tool for the 16 ... about 10 - 12 inches overall, various wrench-notches; riveted on, a swiveling pin punch.
Any opinions ? real deal or scrap metal ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:15 PM (XNDy+)

329 Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 01, 2019 09:14 PM (WEBkv)
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You're welcome! 'Night blake!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:16 PM (o/+iT)

330 Nevada needs to arresting some California cops.

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2019 09:10 PM (UUkQp)

Amen to that, bruddah.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:14 PM

Heh. New Hampshire did that a few years ago. MA state cops were sitting in NH parking lots near the border watching people who bought fireworks. The local sherrif got tired of it and arrested them for loitering. LOL. Ended that shite quickly.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 09:19 PM (Lkiqj)

331 Love my blued P232 - rock solid, light, accurate. They made them in .32 ACP also, though these are very rare. Japanese cops used them - all of theirs had lanyard loops. A great little gun.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 01, 2019 09:19 PM (k3g2v)

332 310 Barrett makes a "zero gap" ring (various sizes/flavors) that is supposed to make sure the ring holds the tube all the way around, which would make it a surer grip, which would effect maintaining zero.

they're ~$200, but with optics i believe in "buy once, cry once"

so does Jim, apparently.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 09:06 PM (jaNjl)

Or, lap the rings. Takes just a few minutes.

Also, when I shop for an optic, I divide the price by the number of rifles or pistols I have that I can/will mount it on.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 01, 2019 09:19 PM (di1hb)

333 RI Red, sorry for the delay in answering. We are going to be on 600 acres this year and have arranged a hog hunt for hogmartin and Alton Jackson

Nurse, you have mail

clutch, no good bird dog would have anything to do with a hog. That's what pit bulls are for.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 09:21 PM (Sf7dd)

334 I have a rifle that shoots 22LR. Love it. I don't hunt with it. but it has it's uses.

I put a very cheap scope on it, which does what I want.

I want more than narrow glass. For the situational awareness that is in it.

Are electronic scopes a sound alternative?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 01, 2019 09:21 PM (u82oZ)

335 Ken Farrell (.com) is my ring and base guy.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:21 PM (o/+iT)

336 I've always been pleased with Talley rings.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2019 09:21 PM (DMUuz)

337 "For me, it's the situations I cannot anticipate.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:15 PM (o/+iT) "

This, very, very much.

From todays EMT, more-or-less re the odessa/midland thing:

"90 Ted Bundy killed more people armed with only a charming smile and a crowbar.

Posted by: LASue at September 01, 2019 07:12 AM (Ed8Zd)

101 " ... charming smile and a crowbar."

Yup.

That's why, even though I live in very rural WI, I always carry, and "head on a swivel and a Mattis plan" is a daily mantra.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 07:16 AM (XNDy+)"

I have long thought of all kinds of things like this, (not just weapons carry, though I have done that since before puberty) as The Candid Camera Clause : ...
"When you least expect it, you're elected ... "

Same reason I have a knife (the first tool after the hammer), or a flashlight, or two multi-tools, or ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:24 PM (XNDy+)

338 FloridaMan, I carry for that very thing which would never happen in a hundred years. That incident you never want to be a part of. That needful thing which only you are prepared for and for that time when only you are present to make a difference. Speaking strictly for myself here, of course your mileage may vary.

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2019 09:25 PM (UUkQp)

339 Hi Jim.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 09:25 PM (Sf7dd)

340 326 320 I have a CCW license but I don't normally carry. I'm wondering what makes you carry. Is it working or living in a dangerous neighborhood?
Posted by: FloridaMan at September 01, 2019 09:13 PM (r28kI)
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For me, it's the situations I cannot anticipate.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:15 PM (o/+iT)

Exactly this. It's a matter of being prepared.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 09:26 PM (NWiLs)

341 326 320 I have a CCW license but I don't normally carry. I'm wondering what makes you carry. Is it working or living in a dangerous neighborhood?
Posted by: FloridaMan at September 01, 2019 09:13 PM (r28kI)
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For me, it's the situations I cannot anticipate.
Posted by: Weasel

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Ditto. I don't go into any crappy neighborhoods or into risky situations anymore. But that doesn't mean the places I do go - church, grocery, etc. are risk free. You never know.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 01, 2019 09:26 PM (Y4EXg)

342 Weasel, re the topic of using smaller calibers to practice fundamentals, I mentioned last week that I used to "warm up" at each shootin' session with the Single Six. Just to practice breathing, patience, front sight focus, straight trigger pull. Gotta get back to doing that.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 09:27 PM (QDnY+)

343 in other local gun nooz, i discovered two more closeted gub owners locally.

he's in the "industry" as it were, and thus subject to peer pressure.

i've offered both of them (hub and wife) to participate in "group therapy" with me and/or Resident 3v1L.

they pay their range fees, i provide everything else, even ammo.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 09:27 PM (jaNjl)

344 I'll throw this out here to Teh Horde, as this is a new set-up for me, and I really don't know the market as such:

Just bought a Ruger M-77 Africa Rifle in 6.5x55. It comes with a set of Ruger 1 in. rings.

The Nightforce scope is of course, a 30mm tube.

Ruger makes 30mm rings in Low, Medium & High.

The Objective Bell on the scope is 42mm.

Question 1. Which height Ruger rings would be the best ones to try first? I don't mind having to send 'em back for a different height, but would like to get it right on the first try.

Question 2. Given the Ruger "receiver to base' mounting system, are there superior aftermarket rings that I should consider which are compatible with this system?

Thanks in advance for your input and assistance!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:28 PM (QzJWU)

345 Exactly this. It's a matter of being prepared.

Then why are you so surprised when Nurse pounces?

Posted by: Panhandler at September 01, 2019 09:28 PM (S/rwf)

346 >>> 340 326 320 I have a CCW license but I don't normally carry. I'm wondering what makes you carry. Is it working or living in a dangerous neighborhood?
Posted by: FloridaMan at September 01, 2019 09:13 PM (r28kI)
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For me, it's the situations I cannot anticipate.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:15 PM (o/+iT)

Exactly this. It's a matter of being prepared.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 09:26 PM (NWiLs)

I have a fire extinguisher in my car, not because I expect my car to burst into flames at any moment, but because it would really suck to need it and not have it.

I have actually seen a few engine fires over the years and it just looks nasty.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 01, 2019 09:28 PM (0ReGO)

347 Don't trust Google maps.
They will send you straight through a sketchy neighborhood if it saves 100 feet.
Because, reasons.

Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at September 01, 2019 09:28 PM (w7KSn)

348 Now that I think of it, between the P232 and P230, only the P230 gave you the choice of .380 or .32.
Though some Euro models came in 9mm Police - with a cartridge length halfway between a .380 and a 9.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 01, 2019 09:29 PM (k3g2v)

349 @337 -

I'm not really as OCD as that sounds ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:30 PM (XNDy+)

350 Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:28 PM (QzJWU)
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Jim - see #335.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:30 PM (o/+iT)

351 Or, lap the rings. Takes just a few minutes.

Also, when I shop for an optic, I divide the price by the number of rifles or pistols I have that I can/will mount it on.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 01, 2019 09:19 PM (di1hb)

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a man's got to know his limitations, and i know mine.

it's easier to buy what i need and be done with it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 09:30 PM (jaNjl)

352 Hi, Ben Had.

Glad you're here. Would you send Jewells a mail, and have her send to me, please?

I've tried sending, and I'm not sure there's not a blockage somewhere in the system.

I have several pounds of junk costume jewelry here for her to disassemble as raw material, plus "help" for her trip to the Mo Meet.

Thanks !

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:30 PM (QzJWU)

353 Panhandler distills life to one comment.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 09:31 PM (Sf7dd)

354 ]334 I have a rifle that shoots 22LR. Love it. I don't hunt with it. but it has it's uses.

I put a very cheap scope on it, which does what I want.

I want more than narrow glass. For the situational awareness that is in it.

Are electronic scopes a sound alternative?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 01, 2019 09:21 PM (u82oZ)

By electronic, I am thinking you mean red dot or holographic.

For SA considerations, you want your optic to be true 1x. Then you can shoot with both eyes open. This will work with a 1x scope, too, but it needs to be truly 1x, not 1.2x or 1.1x.

The next thing is eyebox. Holographic sights are more forgiving. Telescopic sights the least.

I have lots of astigmatism, so red dots and holographic sights show me a spiky smear, not a nice dot. So, I go with 1-4x or 1-6x scopes.

For the 350 Legend, I'll likely go with a first focal plane scope and a 300 Blackout BDC type reticle.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 01, 2019 09:31 PM (di1hb)

355 345 Exactly this. It's a matter of being prepared.

Then why are you so surprised when Nurse pounces?
Posted by: Panhandler at September 01, 2019 09:28 PM (S/rwf)

We're talking about WAY different subjects...

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 09:31 PM (NWiLs)

356 Then why are you so surprised when Nurse pounces?
Posted by: Panhandler at September 01, 2019 09:28 PM

It's like Calvin and Hobbes. Some people never learn.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 09:32 PM (Lkiqj)

357 Heh. New Hampshire did that a few years ago. MA state cops were sitting in NH parking lots near the border watching people who bought fireworks. The local sherrif got tired of it and arrested them for loitering. LOL. Ended that shite quickly.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 09:19 PM (Lkiqj)

MA, CT, VT and NY cops have all staked out NH state liquor stores and arrested people when they crossed back into the cops' jurisdiction. NH has tried to push back against the practice, but it is a game of who catches who.
And all of this is over the difference in liquor tax, not something that is supposed to be prohibited, like fireworks or firearms.

Posted by: cool breeze at September 01, 2019 09:32 PM (UGKMd)

358 gotta go start the charcoal for dinner.

at least this isn't a w*rk night for herself, or i'd already be getting dirty looks.

see all y'all on the ONT, if you're there.

rhomboid: did you ever make it to Alpha/Omega?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2019 09:33 PM (jaNjl)

359 Was disappointed w/"Quickie" article,

signed.

a pervert

Posted by: Psycho Chiken at September 01, 2019 09:33 PM (uTquT)

360 MA, CT, VT and NY cops have all staked out NH state liquor stores and arrested people when they crossed back into the cops' jurisdiction

Then MA, CT, VT and NY cops are a bunch of cocksuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 09:33 PM (NWiLs)

361 Jim , will do first thing in the morning.

There is a Houston guy you are going to meeting at the MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 09:35 PM (Sf7dd)

362 ...Exactly this. It's a matter of being prepared.

Then why are you so surprised when Nurse pounces?

Posted by: Panhandler at September 01, 2019 09:28 PM (S/rwf)

They're playing by Cavin's Balls Rules.

Differs from "Calvinball" in at least one significant respect.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:35 PM (QzJWU)

363
Is Quickie a real brand?

Did QUIK sue them copyright infringement?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 09:36 PM (JVAak)

364 Iron Mike Golf

Thanks!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 01, 2019 09:37 PM (u82oZ)

365 nooners are always good.

Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 09:37 PM (BLFnH)

366 Ben Had. I'll look forward to the meeting!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:37 PM (QzJWU)

367 Cops who pull people over for revenue violations are road bandits, highwaymen with a letter-of-marque.

The cop who wrestled Eric Garner to his grave are a case in point.

Those are the cops who make it hard for people to respect cops when the good ones are trying to enforce real laws.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 01, 2019 09:37 PM (ykYG2)

368 Then MA, CT, VT and NY cops are a bunch of cocksuckers.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 01, 2019 09:33 PM

I've never seen them do that for alcohol. Half of MA buys alcohol in NH. It's not illegal. But otherwise, you're more or less on target. Our staties aren't exactly covering themselves with glory these days.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 09:37 PM (Lkiqj)

369 You will need a few tools to assemble the uppers easily: upper vise, AR armorers tool, a torque wrench, gas tube alignment guide, and a set of roll pin tools. Depending on the gas block, a set of allen wrenches or good screwdrivers.

Posted by: Agitator at September 01, 2019 09:38 PM (m9DnX)

370 red, for our audience, I'll jump in to add that "in the industry" in LA means - show biz, movies, TV, entertainment. Thus the hoplophobic peer pressure.

And on the topic of gubs and movies, just a reminder to those trying to figure out exactly which heaters were used in a given movie, remember the website "imfdb.org" - internet movie firearms database. Also cool incredibly esoteric gun nut trivia - one of my faves was how in the classic "Zulu" ["introducing Michael Caine"] they didn't have enough of the proper period rifle, so they also used some modified historic rifles as stand-ins [think it was a Moron who first brought that up] - and they have stills to illustrate the point.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 09:39 PM (QDnY+)

371
The funny part is the MA State Police is extremely corrupt.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 09:39 PM (JVAak)

372 Dorian isn't going to turn north is he?

Posted by: lucas hood at September 01, 2019 09:40 PM (QwmrN)

373 hi Infidel!

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 01, 2019 09:40 PM (ykYG2)

374 Jim, I just popped in and saw your post. Can you try again? I was getting your emails so I'm not sure what's going on..maybe yahoo is just being stupid.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 01, 2019 09:40 PM (dUJdY)

375
It's rare to see a fan of BANSHEE, here.
Very good tv series.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 09:41 PM (JVAak)

376 Dorian isn't going to turn north is he?
Posted by: lucas hood at September 01, 2019 09:40 PM (QwmrN)

Ummmmmmmm....No.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 09:41 PM (Z+IKu)

377 The funny part is the MA State Police is extremely corrupt.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 09:39 PM

*nods*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 01, 2019 09:41 PM (Lkiqj)

378 How dare you say that Massachusetts police have any ulterior motives. They always did right by us.

Posted by: Whitey Bulger, Amy Bishop, and all the Kennedies at September 01, 2019 09:42 PM (ykYG2)

379 ...Jim, I just popped in and saw your post. Can you try again? I was getting your emails so I'm not sure what's going on..maybe yahoo is just being stupid.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 01, 2019 09:40 PM (dUJdY)

Jewell's.... I need you to send me your full contact info again. What I had dies on old dead laptop.

Got several pounds of costume jewelry to send you for raw materials.

I'll watch my inbox for your reply!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:42 PM (QzJWU)

380 Jewells. let me know if I can help.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 09:43 PM (Sf7dd)

381 Ben Had, is there any public land in TX for quail hunting, or is everything private? I'd like to go southwest with my bird dog some day.

My experience is old '95 and earlier but back then most of west Texas was tied up in private land and leases. Can't imagine that it has gotten better thru the years. Southwest Kansas has a lot of public land that, in good hatch years, has a lot of birds. Last year was bad but year before was fabulous.

Posted by: Agitator at September 01, 2019 09:44 PM (m9DnX)

382 I'm'a just toss in a quick situational awareness thing I (re)started recently .. the tiny monocular.
Back when the old SovUnion failed, they were selling off, well, everything. KGB had these little pocket telescopes with a finger-ring attached, you could do a handkerchief stall and watch someone closely in a street situation without being too obvious ... perfect for catching spies and enemies of the people. Bought one out of the back pages of Shotgun News, and had a lot of fun watching streetcorner activities; loaned(!) it to a buddy, never saw it again.
Fifteen bucks on Amazon, made in China.

Still working it up into my edc.

no link, and self-denunciation for giving Bezos my $.

Live out here, I gotta drive 40 minutes to get to a town with 5 digit population, lotta stuff I gotta buy online.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:44 PM (XNDy+)

383 Hi, bth.

Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 09:45 PM (BLFnH)

384 Problem with using bird dogs anywhere in Texas...

It's damn hard to throw those dogs up HIGH enough to catch anything.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:45 PM (QzJWU)

385 Just sent you an email Jim.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 01, 2019 09:46 PM (dUJdY)

386 Dunno if still the case, but Weasel VA had a pretty bad case of police acting as obnoxious tax collectors WRT booze, years back. They'd stake out Eagle Liquors just across Key Bridge in Georgetown/DC for people buying bulk booze for parties back in VA.

Best ever, though indirect "evidence" [thankfully no actual event to confirm], returning thru Dulles airport from Fwahnce back in the 9Os, a customs guy asked me - after I'd declared my 6 bottles of wine, I think - whether I had driven to the airport myself. I laughed and asked why such an odd question.

He explained that with that much imported alcohol, VA cops could seize my car. I had taken the bus, so academic, but I never did find out if he was correct. Pretty idiotic to have a federal customs guy warning you about predatory state "law enforcement", though - and/or telling about the state of things.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 09:47 PM (QDnY+)

387 I'll watch for your mail, Jewells. Nuttin' yet.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 09:47 PM (QzJWU)

388 Back in the 60's my dad used to go into Washington DC to buy liquor... the taxes were cheaper. He'd then go to his parents, who lived in DC for "lunch." He was tailed several times because he had Maryland plates, but when he would pull up at his parents for a couple of hours they'd leave.

His brother didn't get so lucky. He was pinched crossing I495 into VA with a truck load of booze.

My dad worked for the National Security Agency, his brother Central Intelligence Agency.

Go figure.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 01, 2019 09:48 PM (3H9h1)

389 375
It's rare to see a fan of BANSHEE, here.
Very good tv series.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 09:41 PM (JVAak)

It literally has it all.

Posted by: lucas hood at September 01, 2019 09:50 PM (QwmrN)

390 Had a fellow email about range rules for the MoMe. Reply, What ever Jim, Weasel and Eromero says is final.

Recipient was ecstatic.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 09:50 PM (Sf7dd)

391 Jim - well kinda on-topic to your last comment/joke: at the zoo recently the handler showing the serval [?], a cool smaller African cat, said they'd been observed to make 12-foot vertical leaps [!!!] while hunting, i.e., snagging birds. Now *that* is a vertical leap to turn Olympic volleyball and NCAA roundball coaches green with envy.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 09:51 PM (QDnY+)

392 What are recommended optics for hog hunting? I'm thinking of using an AR 6.5 Grendel, 16-inch barrel.

Posted by: Gref at September 01, 2019 09:51 PM (L6Xpu)

393 Jim, did you change your email? I sent it to the one I already had.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 01, 2019 09:51 PM (dUJdY)

394 347 Don't trust Google maps.
They will send you straight through a sketchy neighborhood if it saves 100 feet.
Because, reasons.

Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at September 01, 2019 09:28 PM (w7KSn)

Because avoiding the sketchy neighborhood would racist.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at September 01, 2019 09:52 PM (bjCNA)

395 The ONT will be along soon so I want to thank you all for stopping by this evening. I appreciate your time and contribution to the discussion. Thanks and hope to see you all next Sunday.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:53 PM (o/+iT)

396 That Hurts kid is pretty good.

Posted by: lucas hood at September 01, 2019 09:54 PM (QwmrN)

397 Yes, the MA state police are corrupt assholes. But this discussion started over whether CA residents were crazy to worry about CA cops staking out out-of-state gun shops looking for ammo or magazine sales.

I think the answer is pretty clear that they are right to be concerned. This kind of stakeout has been done by many states, and I am guessing that the CA cops are not far behind MA in being obnoxious, overreaching jerks.

Posted by: cool breeze at September 01, 2019 09:55 PM (UGKMd)

398 338 FloridaMan, I carry for that very thing which would never happen in a hundred years. That incident you never want to be a part of. That needful thing which only you are prepared for and for that time when only you are present to make a difference.
Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2019 09:25 PM (UUkQp)

Good to know; food for thought.

Posted by: FloridaMan at September 01, 2019 09:55 PM (r28kI)

399 Thank You Weasel !

if I didn't already say it

or even if I did !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:55 PM (XNDy+)

400 Night Weasel, may the Pines sing you to sleep.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 09:56 PM (Sf7dd)

401 399 Thank You Weasel !

if I didn't already say it

or even if I did !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 09:55 PM (XNDy+)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:56 PM (o/+iT)

402 400 Night Weasel, may the Pines sing you to sleep.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2019 09:56 PM (Sf7dd)
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'Night Ben Had!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:57 PM (o/+iT)

403 Thanks again, Weasel. Great thead, as always.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 09:58 PM (qc+VF)

404 Congrats, Weasel, on another great thread!

Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at September 01, 2019 09:58 PM (w7KSn)

405 403 Thanks again, Weasel. Great thead, as always.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 01, 2019 09:58 PM (qc+VF)
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My pleasure. Thanks BtB!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:58 PM (o/+iT)

406 404 Congrats, Weasel, on another great thread!
Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at September 01, 2019 09:58 PM (w7KSn)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 09:59 PM (o/+iT)

407 ONT up.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at September 01, 2019 09:59 PM (bjCNA)

408 Goodnight everyone - have a good week!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 10:00 PM (o/+iT)

409 Thanks, Weasel. Over a year, and not ONE Gun Thread that wasn't a winner.

Whole lotta dead tree gun magazine writers can't say that, and they only publish monthly!

Jewells. This computer has utterly fouled up my email account. I'm trying to fix it.

I have the feeling it dropped yours, and some others addresses, into a "block" file.

I'd like to learn to code. With a sledgehammer.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 10:00 PM (QzJWU)

410 *fistbump right back atcha !*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 10:00 PM (XNDy+)

411 @Jim

For your M-77 African, check out Weigand Machine and Design. They make a Picatinny rail that mounts to the ring mounting spots milled into the M-77's receiver. That will add height, so a low ring set should work. I used one of their rails on my Redhawk.

Ruger site says to use their Medium rings for the receiver mounted ones.

Does your objective bell need to clear a rear iron sight? NightForce makes 30mm rings in 5 heights.

Worst case: some measuring with calipers, some cipherin', maybe email or phone calls to get rail height.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 01, 2019 10:01 PM (di1hb)

412 they said they wernt gonna be no cipherin !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 10:02 PM (XNDy+)

413 Re: optics and budget

There is a minimum floor depending on the type of optic you want, below which you're just pissing away money.

Red dots - for many years it was basically Aimpoint or bust. A new one runs about 450, used can be had for as low as 300 with mount. Surprisingly, Holosun, mostly via the Primary Arms in-house models, has been trying to break into the good quality red dot market, and has been holding up to hard use on rental ranges. I would still stay get the Aimpoint if you have the scratch for it and stick with irons and a good light if not, *if* you can use irons. Not everyone has the eyes for them.

Magnified optics - this is where the price pain comes in. There are A LOT of shit scopes. I highly recommend SWFA Super Sniper for budget precision; their entire shtick is tank-like, no-frills glass that is optically adequate combined with dead nuts reliable tracking. They're Japanese, not made in China or the Philippines. I would not worry about taking some of their stuff to war, but would touch very little else in terms of "tactical" glass under $1000.
.

$300 and up will get you a fixed power SWFA in 6/10/12/20x
$600 will get you an SWFA 3-9x

For low power variable non-precision use with capped turrets, $400-550 will get you a 1-4x Trijicon Accupower with Japanese glass assembled in the US. There are also similar models at about $550+ in the Steiner P4xi and Zeiss Conquest, both of which should have much brighter illumination (for the purpose of using them like a red dot on 1x)
.

It is ABSOLUTELY worth dropping ~$130 or more on rings, even on a Super Sniper. Something like Seekins. You will basically have the things forever and will save a shit ton of time, money, and ammo on chasing scope mounting problems. You also may avoid scope mounting problems some day when you can't go out and shoot freely. I also highly recommend buying or borrowing an Arisaka scope leveling tool..

Don't use vertically split rings for precision glass (they pinch parts of the scope tube that can interfere with tracking), however the LT204 mounts are hard to beat for low power 1-whatever scopes on AR's and the like, at about $140..

Some of the 1-6x Vortex lines like the Strike Eagle and Viper are gaining popularity even overseas among the military, but the guys using them usually have 1-2 other sighting methods on their rifles and a team full of buddies with rifles, so I don't think that's applicable to a budget optic discussion for individual civilians..

I'm not the person to ask about capped-turret scopes for hunting purposes; that's usually going to be a matter of light weight, ability to hold zero with impacts, and more of the price sunk into good glass instead of consistent adjustments (since you're not going to dial it). But those are for critters, not fighting..

If you want to add above average glass to "tracks consistently and holds up to abuse", you are looking at $1000+ cutting some corners (Nightforce SHV/Bushnell LTRS/higher end Super Sniper), $1500 and up for no-shit military grade stuff (NXS, NX8, Razor, etc)

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at September 01, 2019 10:09 PM (67XdO)

414 Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2019 10:00 PM (QzJWU)
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Holy crap! Thanks for the compliment Jim!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 10:11 PM (o/+iT)

415 Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at September 01, 2019 10:09 PM (67XdO)
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Thanks for this! You all have probably figured it out by now but I'm a big believer in Nightforce optics.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2019 10:15 PM (o/+iT)

416 An AR building thread would be good. The first time I ever saw the inside of an AR was when my first Palmetto arrived. An afternoon of youtube and launching assorted springs was both frustrating and rewarding. A bunch of guns later it all seems so straight foreword and logical, kind of like everything else in life.

Posted by: ck at September 01, 2019 10:15 PM (GXRoa)

417 The one $12 tool you need to build AR's. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078KSDGZ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Posted by: ck at September 01, 2019 10:31 PM (GXRoa)

418 iffen yer still checkin' in ...

how's the chest rig workin' out ?

as mentioned up above, going camping w/ Mrs Eez later this year, planning on going camping up north, thinking about alternatives to the Galco shoulder holster I currently use ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 01, 2019 10:38 PM (XNDy+)

419 I am 6'2" with fairly large hands. My wife's Kel-Tec P-32 feels comfortable to me. (For those who have not held one, it is truly a tiny gun.)

Middle finger and ring finger go on the grip. Pinky finger folds under the bottom of the magazine and against my palm. Feels perfectly secure to me while shooting.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 01, 2019 10:42 PM (tkyK5)

420 redc1c4,

Congrats on the Barrett M-99.

Someone should make sure they haul out an engine block on their flight to the next MoMe.

Red can then entertain us by shooting through the engine!

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