Gun Thread: Bring Lots of Ammo! [Weasel]

Heckler & Koch MP5K

Q: What's better than owning your very own submachine gun?
A: Having a friend who owns submachine guns!!

HAHAHA! Boy, do I crack myself up!

This fun little rascal is a Heckler & Koch MP5K. In case you lost count in the video above, that was a 30 round 9mm magazine dump in about two seconds. And contrary to popular belief, the NRA doesn't sell these in the parking lot of gun shows without background checks. Sorry to disappoint you. A little bit of paperwork, mucho dinero and quite a bit of time spent waiting for tax stamps are required to own one. I'm pretty sure you have to use your real name and everything!

Anyhoo - my primary shooting buddy, who has always been very considerate of my shooting needs, has two MP5's, an Uzi and an M-16, and we have a great ol' time on the machine gun range at the farm with them. It's very relaxing with birds chirping, a summer breeze blowing, and the sound of fully-automatic weapons fire. The H&K is an extremely nice weapon; very solidly built and with some tuning (this one had to be slowed down a little), runs perfectly as you can see. The K model has a rate of fire around 800 rounds per minute, so you do tend to go through ammo quickly. You may also notice it's very compact with a folding stock and a barrel that's maybe 5 inches long. The day the video was shot we were plinking steel at about 50 yards, and in full-auto it did a great job of covering the target.

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In last week's Gun Thread I linked to a couple of National gun rights lobbying organizations (NRA-ILA and GOA) and was reminded by a few commenters I had not mentioned one specifically in Virginia; the Virginia Citizens Defense League, or VCDL . If you have a particular state organization you feel is doing good work, send me an email with a link to their website and a brief note on why you feel they're doing a good job. Please also include your state name in the subject line of the email, and we'll feature a few. Sound bueno?

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It's about a thousand degrees across much of the country which has most sensible people looking for ways to stay cool. Rifle ranges aren't very shady places and I've spent many a hot day on the line shooting, or worse, taking my turn in the pits scoring targets. Heat and humidity can affect your performance, so I always did everything I could to stay as cool and hydrated as possible. One of my favorite places to shoot is near Phoenix where the heat and dry air can suck the life right out of you, and back on the east coast, it's almost impossible to stay cool due to the summer humidity. Plenty of water and sun screen are key, and a hat with a wide brim will help a lot too. Our team would use a pop-up canopy tent which offered a little protection from the sun but other than that, what can you do? Any tips for staying cool?

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Texas MoMe Rifle Clinic
I don't have to tell anyone who has been to a Texas MoMe how great they are. Food, drink, prizes and nothing but Morons as far as the eye can see! Not to mention Ben Had's world class hospitality. Bigly fun! This year, the festivities will cover two days, October 18th and 19th, and if you're interested in being one of the cool kids, then be sure to drop Ben Had a line for details.

Oh, did I not mention shooting? Did I not mention the shooting thing at the Texas MoMe?

No Texas MoMe would be complete without shooting. There will be a range set up for handguns, rifles and shotguns both days, and this year there will be a separate rifle clinic on Friday (18th) for those interested in learning about shooting at longer distances. Our pal Jim - Sunk New Dawn will be the supervising adult and co-instructor, so you may actually learn something. The idea is to cover the basics of gear, shooting positions and natural point of aim, ballistics and wind reading, as well as the concepts of working together as a shooter and spotter to a small group of about eight in a 'classroom' setting. After lunch, we'll pair up and spend the rest of the time working on steel targets at about 600 yards.

If you're interested, first get in touch with Ben Had about attending the MoMe, and once you're confirmed for that then send me an email regarding the rifle clinic. Participants will need to bring a scoped rifle in .308 or 5.56 as well as a few other basic items of gear and ammo. If you're a TXMoMe veteran and have already let Ben know you're planning to attend, then claim your rifle clinic spot now and I'll be in touch with specifics.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Lock and load

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:01 PM (BbGew)

2 !

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:02 PM (i6sQg)

3 Isn't "bring lots of ammo" redundant?

Posted by: Roy at July 21, 2019 07:02 PM (ABjxW)

4 Corgis dutifully summoned, not that the smell of gun powder doesn't draw them in.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:03 PM (BbGew)

5 An full auto MP5 is my dream gun.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 07:04 PM (NWiLs)

6 5 An full auto MP5 is my dream gun.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019

What suppressor do I put on it this morning? Thats my problem.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 21, 2019 07:05 PM (bgJ0E)

7 ( calculating how long a road trip to Texas would be)

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:05 PM (BbGew)

8 Was hoping for the H&K slap.

Was a little bit disappointed.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (t+qrx)

9 I've decided I need a SIG P365. They are finally showing up at dealers around here. I suppose I should shoot one first.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (k3g2v)

10 I would rather have a BAR

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (BbGew)

11 6 5 An full auto MP5 is my dream gun.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019

What suppressor do I put on it this morning? Thats my problem.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 21, 2019 07:05 PM (bgJ0E)

I hate you so much right now.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (NWiLs)

12 CCI has a subsonic .22lr that is supposed to work well in semi-auto. I guess the new quiet one is an upgrade.

Posted by: Roy at July 21, 2019 07:07 PM (ABjxW)

13 Damn, Skippy! The corn on the cob butter on my fingers made my screen all greasy and cost me a First on the Gun Thread!

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:08 PM (i6sQg)

14 I hate you so much right now.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 07:06

My work here is done. And I was given a 1000 rds of PMC 9mm on Fridy from a "scource".

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 21, 2019 07:08 PM (bgJ0E)

15 I want in on the rifle clinic but:

1) I've only ever shot one the one time you guide me through it.

2) I don't own a rifle...

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:09 PM (UUBmN)

16 Was hoping for the H&K slap.

Was a little bit disappointed.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (t+qrx)
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Next time!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

17 Nice!

Posted by: G marks the spot at July 21, 2019 07:10 PM (OL7xG)

18 Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:09 PM (UUBmN)
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We might be able to come up with a spare gun. I'm thinking about bringing one of my match rifles for funsies.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

19 I have MP5 envy.

Honestly...the various semi auto 9mm and 45 carbines are fine, I don't need to spend the money on a real or copied MP5.....but I still want one.

I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)

20 What time are you starting on Friday?

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (UUBmN)

21 Haven't fired auto since Uncle was paying. But now that 5.56 is down around $0.27/round, I could probably afford one mag dump on my SS stipend.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (i6sQg)

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I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)
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Get an Uzi. It's slow compared to the MP5.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

23 Just don't join the John Brown Gun Club.

Antifa, or in other words they want their group to have guns, so they can take ours away from us.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 07:14 PM (NgKpN)

24 20 What time are you starting on Friday?

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (UUBmN)

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Would like people there by 8:30 or so.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

25 Short range report:

Took my SIG P320 with the Romeo 1 red dot. I adjusted the optic and put in new battery and...damn if it didn't work. I mean, really work.

Red dots make for very consistent hits, since you don't have to align front and rear sights. So long as I don't flinch or fuck up the trigger press, the bullets all go pretty much in the same location.

Also shot some mozambique and slow fire drills with the CZ P07 .22 Kadet adapter. Admirable and fun. What's not fun, using that stupid Federal HV match with continued it's streak of fucking up the show. The CCI MiniMags were flawless.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:15 PM (xJa6I)

26 A Sten type to take pistol ammunition!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 07:16 PM (Dh1wo)

27 Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

Select Fire M-14s.

Pain to clean, but we carried them on Boarding Ops because the rounds would go clear through a Merchant Ships bulkhead.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 07:16 PM (NgKpN)

28 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:15 PM (xJa6I)
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Nice!
That's an Aimpoint red dot on the H&K.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

29 ...I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)

Might I suggest a 40mm Bofors Gun, sire?

*hoists four-round en-block clip into place in feed chute*

..... well, a Moron can dream, eh?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (QzJWU)

30 I've never owned a full auto rifle, and only fired one a couple of times. I've always wondered whether there's ever a situation where full-auto is better than three-round burst... it seems like maybe if you were in real close quarters with one or two guys, it would be pretty awesome, but I don't think I'd want to dump ammo that fast if I thought there might be another person to deal with or if I were in a space bigger than an apartment. A small apartment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (3NbUO)

31 the world bencherest championships were held in alberta and just saw the u.s. win 2 gold and a silver.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 07:18 PM (Pg+x7)

32 Ever had someone hold an MP5 on you? It's an uncomfortable feeling.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (xSo9G)

33 Well, put me down for the rifle clinic for now.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (UUBmN)

34 I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)

Oerlikon 20mm? We almost had one at the trap range for the June MIMoMe, but then we remembered that none of us own one and have no way to obtain one and each shell is a $200 DD stamp by itself.

But almost!

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (t+qrx)

35 29 ...I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)

Might I suggest a 40mm Bofors Gun, sire?

*hoists four-round en-block clip into place in feed chute*

..... well, a Moron can dream, eh?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (QzJWU)

Ohhhhh yes.

40mm Bofors would be awesome.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (xJa6I)

36 I've never owned a full auto rifle, and only fired one a couple of times. I've always wondered whether there's ever a situation where full-auto is better than three-round burst... it seems like maybe if you were in real close quarters with one or two guys, it would be pretty awesome, but I don't think I'd want to dump ammo that fast if I thought there might be another person to deal with or if I were in a space bigger than an apartment. A small apartment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (3NbUO)
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It may be hard to tell in the photo, but the selector has a 3 round burst position, too. The full-auto is just fun once in a while!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

37 Oerlikon 20mm? We almost had one at the trap range for the June MIMoMe, but then we remembered that none of us own one and have no way to obtain one and each shell is a $200 DD stamp by itself.

But almost!
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (t+qrx)

So close!

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 07:20 PM (aS1PU)

38 Ugly as hell but I'd like a Kriss .45 sub . No sense in having a semi auto as ugly as it is . Defeats the entire purpose of its design in a semi.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (2DOZq)

39 33 Well, put me down for the rifle clinic for now.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (UUBmN)

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Same here, for Ex-Ex and I.

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (RU4sa)

40 Here's something new around Casa928: my Galil kit gun.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmFm3TKp

I need a press to finish it. It could actually fire single right now, headspace is good, but the gas block isn't on nor the port drilled. Not to mention the mag catch not being riveted on.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (yQpMk)

41 Well, put me down for the rifle clinic for now.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (UUBmN)
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OK - do me a favor and send me a quick note so I remember to add you to the list.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

42 Might be old news to you gun nuts (j/k), but some moron earlier in the week linked to a YouTube video entitled "CIVIL WAR 2 in America - WHO WOULD WIN? In-Depth Analysis" by John Mark. He's advocating for a national divorce instead, believing that a hot civil war is inevitable once the right eventually (owing to continued, unabated illegal and legal immigration) loses the ability to win national elections and is forced to submit to Commie SJW rule.

https://tinyurl.com/y6h3bqvb

Anyway, just finished it -- it was a decent 50-minute overview and provided a little additional food for thought. The first/top comment pretty much sums up the likely result: "One side has millions of guns and military veterans, the other doesn't know which bathroom to use."

Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (WqPYg)

43 28 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:15 PM (xJa6I)
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Nice!
That's an Aimpoint red dot on the H&K.
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

Aimpoints are Quality.

I got the Romeo 1 factory mounted and the whole kit on sale at Cabelas.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:22 PM (xJa6I)

44 36 I've never owned a full auto rifle, and only fired one a couple of times. I've always wondered whether there's ever a situation where full-auto is better than three-round burst... it seems like maybe if you were in real close quarters with one or two guys, it would be pretty awesome, but I don't think I'd want to dump ammo that fast if I thought there might be another person to deal with or if I were in a space bigger than an apartment. A small apartment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (3NbUO)
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It may be hard to tell in the photo, but the selector has a 3 round burst position, too. The full-auto is just fun once in a while!
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

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Yes.

Yes it is.

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:22 PM (RU4sa)

45 Same here, for Ex-Ex and I.

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (RU4sa)
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email me when you have a minute. thx.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

46 Range Report (if "range" includes 100 yards of my side lot).
.22 Day! I had seen a post at WRSA about shooting "varmints" in the head at 300-400 yds with a suppressed .22. I don't "yet" have a can, but I wanted to know more about .22 ballistics.
So, even thought it was 91 and humid in Siberian NH, I made myself shoot my three .22s at 25, 50 and 100 yds.
I had also just installed a 20 MOA ramp on my 10-.22, so it was a good excuse to shoot.
It took a lot longer than I anticipated, but I developed a nice notebook on how they did with CCI MiniMag. Short answer- how can you hit anything with a .22 at 400 yds is beyond me.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:22 PM (i6sQg)

47 Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

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Yeah, and for 3rd burst, the higher rate of fire, the better for the obvious reasons. I'm guessing it was probably designed for that as the primary use, at 15/sec. Fast!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:23 PM (3NbUO)

48 lin-duh and SMN, I've put you on the list in case Weasel should forget.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (HG3Kb)

49 Any chance you can bring your friend along to the MoMee, Weasel?

Never fired a MP5 before...

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (RU4sa)

50 A friend has a bunch of full auto weapons. BAR, Sten, MP-40, Grease gun, Tommy Guns, and more. That BAR makes you feel like Rambo, but the Sten is so fun. I'd like to have two, one for each hand.

Posted by: freaked at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (UdKB7)

51 Thanks Ben Had!

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (RU4sa)

52 H & K is always about quality......they just do things right. Not for everyone but man do they do it right.

Nice video Weasel!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (Z+IKu)

53 OK - do me a favor and send me a quick note so I remember to add you to the list.
Posted by: Weasel
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Done

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (UUBmN)

54 Three settings... pew; pew-pew; and pew-pew-pew!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 07:25 PM (Dh1wo)

55 Love the beard, Weasel!

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 21, 2019 07:25 PM (1FhAQ)

56 If that British tanker had a Bofor it might be sailing on its way right now.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:26 PM (BbGew)

57 Any chance you can bring your friend along to the MoMee, Weasel?

Never fired a MP5 before...

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (RU4sa)
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I'll ask him! He's a really good guy and would fit right in. Not sure if he'd bring the MP5 though - handing it over to the baggage people would give him a heart attack.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

58 lin-duh- does hubby want to be your spotter?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (HG3Kb)

59 I'm looking at a Springfield Armory 1911. MIL Spec. .45 ACP. Y'all have any feedback?

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (UU59y)

60 Full auto shotguns are better.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (2DOZq)

61 48 lin-duh and SMN, I've put you on the list in case Weasel should forget.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (HG3Kb)
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But please send me an email so I can send you a list of stuff to bring.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

62 Benchrest world championship link in my sock. Warning... alot of pics so slow-loading at least on my tablet.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 07:28 PM (Dh1wo)

63 59 I'm looking at a Springfield Armory 1911. MIL Spec. .45 ACP. Y'all have any feedback?
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (UU59y)

The sights on the Milspec aren't great. On the whole, Springfield Armory 1911's are good, though. I've owned two.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:28 PM (xJa6I)

64 Love the beard, Weasel!

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 21, 2019 07:25 PM (1FhAQ)
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Thanks! I'm thinking of putting rubber bands and paperclips in it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

65 Might I suggest a 40mm Bofors Gun, sire?

*hoists four-round en-block clip into place in feed chute*

..... well, a Moron can dream, eh?

Jim
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Can't speak to the 40mm Bofors, but I looked over one of these pretty carefully two weeks ago, as I mentioned here. It wasn't for sale...

http://tinyurl.com/y5x2vpj7

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2019 07:29 PM (xSo9G)

66 Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (UU59y)

Though it looks like the new model GI model has new sights! So good! If you like the arched mainspring housing, go for it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:29 PM (xJa6I)

67 Thanks Mark.

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:30 PM (UU59y)

68
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 21, 2019 07:30 PM (KCxzN)

69 ...I've never owned a full auto rifle, and only fired one a couple of times. I've always wondered whether there's ever a situation where full-auto is better than three-round burst... it seems like maybe if you were in real close quarters with one or two guys, it would be pretty awesome, but I don't think I'd want to dump ammo that fast if I thought there might be another person to deal with or if I were in a space bigger than an apartment. A small apartment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (3NbUO)

In the MP-5 class of submachine gun, effective full auto fire is a distinct function of proper training, and that especially in team or squad tactics, emphasizing the "when and how" a fun-gun is employed.

The better the training, the more effective the full auto function. And the guys who *have* that training will astonish you with how much they're NOT "spray n' pray". They can engage and hit their targets damn near as well as you or I in semi-auto fire.

Uncle Sam pickin' up the tab for all that training, of cour$e.

Get into the bipod supported, belt fed Medium Machine Gun, and now you're getting into the theory of "beaten-zone" sustained fire, and/or sustained suppressive fire, in order to let your fire team move into superior positions.

And when you get up into Ma-Deuce territory, crew-served Heavy Machine Guns, well, now you're nudging up damn near to light artillery in fire effectiveness. This gets you up above "anti-personnel", and clean into "anti-materiel" fire options.

The .50 M-2 will absolutely convert most known "cover" into flimsy concealment. It'll turn a cinder-block wall into concrete shrapnel, multiplying the effect of each round several times over.

Myself, if I found myself in full Escape & Evasion mode... I'll take a nice, suppressed .22 lr. boltie, and (quietly) take my chances.

Horses for Courses, as they say.

Full auto is HUGE fun, any way you cut it. But unlike Hollywood, it's a high-knowledge, high-skill endeavor to derive it's full effect.

Fun though. Lots n' lots of fun!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:31 PM (QzJWU)

70 I'm looking at a Springfield Armory 1911. MIL Spec. .45 ACP. Y'all have any feedback?
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (UU59y)

Muad'dib, I've got one of those. Great basic 1911. Has the basic metal forged sights, so it's not going to any matches. But we had our guys using them for about 70 years and they seemed to do ok. And it's a frickin' 1911!

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:31 PM (i6sQg)

71
I'm looking at a Springfield Armory 1911. MIL Spec. .45 ACP. Y'all have any feedback?

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM

buy it

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 21, 2019 07:31 PM (KCxzN)

72 NZ Frank - Finished the Upham book. Hell of a guy.

I was appalled to learn that his VC(s) were stolen. Good that they were recovered, but the person or people stealing them should have been taken out and shot. I expect that finding folk to do that would have been easy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2019 07:32 PM (xSo9G)

73 OT: Natalie Portman is playing female Thor in next Marvel Thor movie.

Posted by: some asshole at July 21, 2019 07:33 PM (ym5eo)

74 25...
Red Dots are so much easier to use than irons. I recently installed a Sig Romeo 5 on my Daniel Defense AR, and finally had a chance to sight it in today. Ten rounds later, and I was shooting 11/4" to 3/4" groups at 50 yards, and that was with Silver Bear ammo. Not exactly match fodder.

Posted by: WVinMN at July 21, 2019 07:33 PM (pV4s0)

75 64 Love the beard, Weasel!

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 21, 2019 07:25 PM (1FhAQ)
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Thanks! I'm thinking of putting rubber bands and paperclips in it.
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

BWahahaha!

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 21, 2019 07:34 PM (1FhAQ)

76 Thanks Red and Alton

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:35 PM (UU59y)

77 MAE, ya beat me to it on the milspec. Still licking the butter off my corncob stained fingers.
But glad to see we're on the same page.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (i6sQg)

78 Thanks Red and Alton

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:35 PM (UU59y)
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What they said!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

79 If you don't have a pickup truck you best have a good friend who has a pickup truck. Guns are the same way.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (UUkQp)

80 Full auto is HUGE fun, any way you cut it. But unlike Hollywood, it's a high-knowledge, high-skill endeavor to derive it's full effect.

Fun though. Lots n' lots of fun!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

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Hooah.

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (RU4sa)

81 I don't know enough to tell if this is done correctly, or horribly, but it's interesting and has a cameo by the quality assurance rep (remove spaces):
https://hooktube.com/ watch?v= 86356fRR1VY

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (0ReGO)

82
When the HELL does that Winchester Wildcat ship?

Posted by: ArthurK at July 21, 2019 07:38 PM (LvfmT)

83 Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:31 PM (QzJWU)

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Oh, for sure - I totally get using full-auto at range with heavier calibers for strafing and suppressing. I was just asking about SMGs and infantry rifles. I guess with beaucoups training like you're talking about, that would make a big difference. But for lil' ol' me, I think the full auto on an MP5 would be just to show off for my buddies, lol.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:39 PM (3NbUO)

84 Thor is trans gender? Eh, nothing surprises me from Hollywood

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:39 PM (BbGew)

85 Someone asked about Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network last week.
I'm a member, and have taken classes from president Marty Hayes at his Firearms Academy in WA. Massad Ayoob is on the board. Thankfully I've never needed to be defended in court for using a firearm, but they have a $2 million fund to do that for members. It's not insurance, but a self-funding group that takes care of each other.

https://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org

Posted by: Chris H at July 21, 2019 07:40 PM (L7f6N)

86 This TXMoMe thing sounds like fun, by crackee!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 07:41 PM (DMUuz)

87 Posted by: Chris H at July 21, 2019 07:40 PM (L7f6N)
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Thanks for posting that, Chris H!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

88 >>>OT: Natalie Portman is playing female Thor in next Marvel Thor movie.

Didn't she play Thor's love interest in the first Thor movie?

Posted by: davidt at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (jY3BZ)

89 I wish H&K had worked the kinks out of the MP10.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (DMUuz)

90 RI Red @ 21- I miss burning up DoD ammunition too. Those were the days and they won't be back for guys my age until the zombie apocalypse come.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (UUkQp)

91 Oh, and FWIW.

Probably one of the best low-cyclic submachine guns out there, is also one of the most cheaply made, ever.

The U.S. M-3, .45 ACP "Grease Gun".

It is so very good at it's intended purpose. Ugly, non-ergonomic, (seemingly) crude.... but, it works.

And .45 ACP at 350~400 rounds per minute... that's a whole lot of hurt going downrange, 230 Copper Jacketed grains at a time.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (QzJWU)

92 This TXMoMe thing sounds like fun, by crackee!
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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I wonder if someone is going to provide another "door prize" like last year....///

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:46 PM (UUBmN)

93 Ok this will be sort of a ramble:
During the .22 shoot-out, my old Mossberg 352 KA semi, vintage 1965, started to have trigger problems. As in you squeeze, the trigger and nothing happens. Then a second later it happens. No, not a hangfire.
So, needing a break from the sun, I went in, cleaned it and noticed that the trigger group was moving slightly. Never being one to let common sense interfere, I promptly disassembled the whole thing. Neglecting, of course, to take a picture of before and after.
I found that the sole mounting screw had backed off, so that was an easy fix. The harder fix was pitting it back together. No else has ever had that problem, of course. Happy ending- I figured it out, had some needed shade time and went back out.
Where I promptly turned 5 inches right into three inches high and got that scope completely FUBAR.
I love shooting.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:46 PM (i6sQg)

94 But for lil' ol' me, I think the full auto on an MP5 would be just to show off for my buddies, lol.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:39 PM (3NbUO)

FA is also for Mad Snek.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3nfnuhq

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:48 PM (t+qrx)

95 We Eromero tribe plan to bring some 'beginner' stuff if any gub-curious would like and if Ben Had/Weasel/Jim SND troika say 'da'.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:48 PM (UUkQp)

96 I just want a mid-grade Ansley Fox in 16 gauge.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 07:49 PM (k3g2v)

97 @Jim 91: Yessir, the grease gun is a hoot to shoot.
But for history and coolness factor my dream SMG will always be the Thompson gun.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 21, 2019 07:50 PM (wZ9cV)

98 RI Red @ 21- I miss burning up DoD ammunition too. Those were the days and they won't be back for guys my age until the zombie apocalypse come.
Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (UUkQp)

Eromero, you are right about that. Trying to shoot prone yesterday, I finally said fu** it and got a bench. How I am going to fight off the Zombies is an open question.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:50 PM (i6sQg)

99 Like a DE Grade from the mid-1920s.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 07:52 PM (k3g2v)

100 88 >>>OT: Natalie Portman is playing female Thor in next Marvel Thor movie.

Didn't she play Thor's love interest in the first Thor movie?
Posted by: davidt at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (jY3BZ)

Girlfriend, Jane. It's a story arc from the comics before the overt SJW movement. But still....
She is so tiny.

Posted by: some asshole at July 21, 2019 07:52 PM (ym5eo)

101 MP5 is far and away my favorite gun I've ever shot.

Posted by: Sobek at July 21, 2019 07:53 PM (SNns0)

102 ...We Eromero tribe plan to bring some 'beginner' stuff if any gub-curious would like and if Ben Had/Weasel/Jim SND troika say 'da'.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:48 PM (UUkQp)

Do the brightly colored "darts" have soft rubber suction cups on the tips?

/snrk

Eromero, in my book, you're Good to Go with anything up to and including the aforementioned Bofors.

And if we have a number of "newbies", well, the help will be greatly appreciated.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:54 PM (QzJWU)

103 101 MP5 is far and away my favorite gun I've ever shot.
Posted by: Sobek at July 21, 2019 07:53 PM (SNns0)
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I have always been impressed at how solid they are. Great guns!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

104 I need a press to finish it. It could actually fire single right now, headspace is good, but the gas block isn't on nor the port drilled. Not to mention the mag catch not being riveted on.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (yQpMk)
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get thee to China Freight!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 21, 2019 07:56 PM (MasTK)

105
Eromero, in my book, you're Good to Go with anything up to and including the aforementioned Bofors.

And if we have a number of "newbies", well, the help will be greatly appreciated.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:54 PM (QzJWU)
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Absolutely!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

106 Joey Biden doesn't take instruction very well even if it's a granddaughter:
https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/
1152787552040083456

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 07:57 PM (Dh1wo)

107 I have two Remington shotguns. During pheasant season I shoot birds. Any other time, I'll shoot anything that threatens my home or family.

That's about the extent of my interest in guns.

Posted by: Regular joe at July 21, 2019 07:58 PM (6/uwW)

108 Would it be a major faux pas if I show up without a gun? My carbine might be able to do 600yd, but I doubt I could. TX has reciprocity with MI, but I'm just planning on going from the airport to the MoMe and back, and I can't bring ammo on the plane. If I carry, I'll have to buy ammo in Dallas and then get rid of it before I board again. Besides, I don't think I have anything exciting that wouldn't already be there.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:58 PM (t+qrx)

109 Ok, now back to our Benefactor. Weasel, what do you think about SS barrels vs. regular blued? I'm thinking about a threaded barrel for my eventual can on the 10-22.
I'm also reading about barrel length. Some say the standard 18.5" bbl is perfect, some say 16 will do, or that 20 will just slow the bullet down.
Any thoughts? What do you use in the big-boy calibers?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:59 PM (i6sQg)

110
That's about the extent of my interest in guns.
Posted by: Regular joe at July 21, 2019 07:58 PM (6/uwW)
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Welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

111 Lost my shooting range and lost my paid for and approved suppressor to a local range. I was in there in early May and there were two ATF agents inventorying everything in the place. It was not looking good and I suspect the gun store lost his license and now he won't respond to my emails or phone calls.

Just went by the range the other day that has been closed for "medical" reasons for the last 15 weeks and now there is a County Tax assessor seizure warning taped to the door for failure to pay taxes. I have 5 guns on consignment there and my paid for suppressor

Going to try and talk to the ATF in Sherman next week but I am not hopeful as the number has no answering service and they never answer the phone. Even if I get a lawyer there really isn't much I can do.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 21, 2019 08:00 PM (JUOKG)

112 Years ago, a friend of a friend had us out to his farm for a "little" shooting. I didn't know it but he was a collector of fully auto guns. We were allowed to shoot whatever we wanted. Everything from a belt fed Maxim to a Lewis gun and on and on. We must had fired at least 35 separate machine and sub guns. We were there all afternoon and I have NO idea how much ammo we burned up. I found out later that this was kind of annual thing (a celebrate the harvest event). Unfortunately, we moved far away and never made it back. From a mechanical point, the Lewis gun was the coolest.

Posted by: oldgeezer at July 21, 2019 08:00 PM (Wb5vb)

113 Eromero, That is a very generous offer and it will greatly appreciated.

How's that for politikin?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 08:00 PM (HG3Kb)

114 Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:59 PM (i6sQg)
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All of my match barrels are plain stainless. No fluting.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:01 PM (Ws3LK)

115 Oh, have I been to the range. The week...well, it sucked, and didn't go quite the way I wanted it to go, so before I go back to the drawing board...I decided to go to one of my favorite Houston haunts: Top Gun Range. Why yes, I will shamelessly plug them. Who wants to shoot in 90 degree weather with about a 75 degree dewpoint? Not I. So I go there and shoot indoors.

I had a good day and sent close to 600 9mm rounds downrange and blew some holes in the targets, with my EDC G26, Sig P226 TacOps, and my Weapon of War, the M9. (Well, it will be a weapon of war for a little longer, at least).

One scare, though. This never happened on my Sig before. The mag fed a round into the chamber, which did not fire. The firing pin didn't even strike the casing. BUT...it was still jammed in the gun. A range safety officer was called over and he helped clear the round from the chamber. It did not happen again, but it was enough to give me pause.

All the same, a great day out on the range, and I anxiously await the next visit.

Thanks for the thread as always, Weasel.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:01 PM (/0HPZ)

116 I've never fired or even held a full auto. No doubt it's fun but I'm too cheap to blow away ammo that fast. So I will read along and get some learning about them.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 08:01 PM (bmdz3)

117 For not much sleep last night not very tired but its lights out time nevertheless.
If your up at 4am log in.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 08:02 PM (BbGew)

118 9 I've decided I need a SIG P365. They are finally showing up at dealers around here. I suppose I should shoot one first.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (k3g2v)

I have fired one and was impressed.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:02 PM (/0HPZ)

119 ...Would it be a major faux pas if I show up without a gun? My carbine might be able to do 600yd, but I doubt I could. TX has reciprocity with MI, but I'm just planning on going from the airport to the MoMe and back, and I can't bring ammo on the plane. If I carry, I'll have to buy ammo in Dallas and then get rid of it before I board again. Besides, I don't think I have anything exciting that wouldn't already be there.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:58 PM (t+qrx)

Let us know if you have a particular "wish list" for what to shoot? Odds are, someone here owns one and can bring it for you.

I think unlike last year, this time around I'll attempt some major haulage in the hardware department, just 'cause I hear of several who will have to arrive without toys of their own.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 08:03 PM (QzJWU)

120 I wish I could go to the TX MoMee.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 08:03 PM (nDe2U)

121
Thanks for the thread as always, Weasel.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:01 PM (/0HPZ)
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My pleasure! Not sure what might have gone wrong with the Sig. Any guesses?

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

122 118 - Catch Thirty-Thr33, good to know. What did you like about it?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 08:04 PM (k3g2v)

123 No fluting; got it. I have SS on my 10-22 and I can do 1 moa out to 100. So far.
I love .22. I spent the morning policing brass off of the porch and lawn.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:05 PM (i6sQg)

124 get thee to China Freight!

Indeed. $99 for a 12ton press until the end of the month.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 08:05 PM (yQpMk)

125 117 For not much sleep last night not very tired but its lights out time nevertheless.
If your up at 4am log in.
Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 08:02 PM
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'Night Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

126 Late to the thread as always! Where is TX MoMee? When? Thankee

Posted by: AnnaS at July 21, 2019 08:06 PM (i0+aj)

127 hogmartin, you don't need to worry about bringing anything to shoot. There will be plenty of fire power for you to shoot.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 08:08 PM (HG3Kb)

128 Let us know if you have a particular "wish list" for what to shoot? Odds are, someone here owns one and can bring it for you.
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 08:03 PM (QzJWU)

Hmm.

Well, nothing really comes to mind. Maybe some neat old milsurp, from whatever country and era. I can't think offhand of any one thing that I just have to shoot that I haven't.

I should be practicing for my duet with Ben Had anyhow.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:08 PM (t+qrx)

129 It's been too freaking hot and humid to go to the range this week. Hopefuly this coming week when things cool down. And not a moment too soon as I have some recent purchases to get used to.

To compensate, in my weird way, I've been wiping down the rifles and reading about flintlocks and colonial era long hunters.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 08:08 PM (bmdz3)

130 NZFrank you still here? I didn't get a chance to say hello and ask how things are going.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

131 AnnaS, Corsicana, TX Oct18/19

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 08:11 PM (HG3Kb)

132 And on to suppressors. Since I came out of retirement and back into lawing, I've had the opportunity to draft an NFA trust. I intend to check its efficacy with BATFE soon. It usually is a 6 month turnaround, but if it passes muster, I'll be glad to share it with the Horde. Gratis. Free. Without charge.
Well, you might have to buy me a beverage at some point.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:12 PM (i6sQg)

133 '$99 for a 12ton press until the end of the month.'

I don't know how the make them so cheap and ship them over here. Even if there was a 50 percent tarriff on it it would still be a bargain.

Posted by: freaked at July 21, 2019 08:14 PM (UdKB7)

134 132 And on to suppressors. Since I came out of retirement and back into lawing, I've had the opportunity to draft an NFA trust. I intend to check its efficacy with BATFE soon. It usually is a 6 month turnaround, but if it passes muster, I'll be glad to share it with the Horde. Gratis. Free. Without charge.
Well, you might have to buy me a beverage at some point.
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:12 PM (i6sQg)
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RIRed - I can send you a copy of mine if that would be helpful.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:14 PM (Ws3LK)

135 122 118 - Catch Thirty-Thr33, good to know. What did you like about it?
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 08:04 PM (k3g2v)

A compact gun like that can and should be expected to have a lot of kick - goes with the territory, per physics. I expected that issue. As an aside, I encountered that problem with the G26, but after I got extensions put on the magazines which allowed me to get my pinky around it, the handling is amazing.

The Sig P365 that I fired had no such extensions and though I would seek them out if I bought one, even without extensions, it handled well. Combine that with the fact that it is even more compact than the G26, well, you have the makings of a good EDC candidate.

I say...guns are much like shoes. You have to try on pairs of shoes to see which one works for you. If you have a range that will let you rent a P365, do so. But for the reasons I noted above, I like it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:16 PM (/0HPZ)

136 When it's hot, it's a good time to buy ammo and sit on the porch cleaning gunz.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (axyOa)

137 Weasel, that would be fantastic! My firm has never done one, so I was forced to do some research. Comparing mine to yours would be a great reality check.
Yes, you do have my email.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (i6sQg)

138 Howdy all! On the downhill side of week 3 of my hitch and found out that the 10.5" 300 BLK upper arrived at the house on Friday! 10 and a wake up until I get to strap it on my pistol lower for a leisurely canoe trip to the deer lease.

Query for the Horde... it's intended to be the hog exterminator, so looking for suggestions on optics. I was thinking Athlon Talos in 3-12, illum BDC. The price is right, and I'm not looking for something to drive tacks at 300 yards. Just killing swine and not feeling too bad if it gets torn up bouncing around the lease.

Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (YE85g)

139 You can all have a full auto. Just get a bump stock.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (2DOZq)

140 137 Weasel, that would be fantastic! My firm has never done one, so I was forced to do some research. Comparing mine to yours would be a great reality check.
Yes, you do have my email.
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (i6sQg)
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Absolutely! Either later tonight or tomorrow.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:18 PM (Ws3LK)

141 Sitting at DQ for dinner and watching several idiots try to tow an old Chevrolet S10 with a tow rope attached to the rear bumper to get the S10 started. After four tries they did it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:18 PM (CUgyF)

142 AnnaS, did you just send me an email?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 08:19 PM (HG3Kb)

143 135, Catch Thirty-Thr33 - Yes, thanks, I appreciate it.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 08:20 PM (k3g2v)

144 I got my gun trust from https://thetrustshop.net

As I've been waiting over 9 months for approval of my first trust nfa stamp,I yet can't swear to their efficacy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 08:20 PM (yQpMk)

145 And still on the suppressor question, NZFrank, or anyone else with experience, what have you found re accuracy effects?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:20 PM (i6sQg)

146 My pleasure! Not sure what might have gone wrong with the Sig. Any guesses?
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

I'm still not sure. Could it be possible that the round was manufactured just - JUST - too short a length for the firing pin to reach the casing?

The RSO and I looked at the dud and noted that right away. The round looked like it just came out of the box. I've had rounds not fire where the pin struck the casing, but for whatever reason, the powder settled or something else happened which caused the round to not fire. Not here.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:21 PM (/0HPZ)

147 Grump, let us know when it happens. More data for the Horde. Thx.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:22 PM (i6sQg)

148 For those in TX: what do y'all think of the TSRA (Texas State Rifle Association)? Yea or nay?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:24 PM (/0HPZ)

149 135, Catch Thirty-Thr33 - thanks, much appreciated.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 08:25 PM (k3g2v)

150 The Machine Pistolen-5 Kurz would go through my 9mm stash in 30 seconds. Guess need more.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:25 PM (CUgyF)

151 150 The Machine Pistolen-5 Kurz would go through my 9mm stash in 30 seconds. Guess need more.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:25 PM (CUgyF)

You need more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 08:26 PM (xJa6I)

152 148 For those in TX: what do y'all think of the TSRA (Texas State Rifle Association)? Yea or nay?

I'm a member, but I only joined to get my Garand from the CMP. It seems like they do some good work in the legislature, and are good at keeping you informed if pending legislation.

Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at July 21, 2019 08:27 PM (YE85g)

153 Muad'dib, If looking for a GI style 1911, also check out the Rock Island GI 45 auto. Nothing against Springfield but the Rock Island has performed flawlessly for me so far and it's much less expensive.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3)

154 151 150 The Machine Pistolen-5 Kurz would go through my 9mm stash in 30 seconds. Guess need more.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:25 PM (CUgyF)

You need more.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 08:26 PM (xJa6I)

9 mm is almost as cheap as .22 today. I was prepping some brass today and wondering why I was bothering. Other than the fact that I paid for my components a long time ago.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (i6sQg)

155 108 "...and I can't bring ammo on the plane."

Really? You can bring up to 11 pounds of ammo, so long as the ammo isn't loose. I have filled up my magazines for travel with my guns (and I wind up traveling back empty, except for my self-defense magazines which I always travel with). I get some dirty looks from the agents at the check in counter, but so long as I am within regulations, screw em.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (/0HPZ)

156 Fox2 to the Barrel

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (CUgyF)

157 Catch Thirty-Thr33 @ 148- TSRA is a good organization. Life Member a long while.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (UUkQp)

158 Weasel, that would be fantastic! My firm has never done one, so I was forced to do some research. Comparing mine to yours would be a great reality check.
Yes, you do have my email.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (i6sQg)
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RI Red - check your email.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

159
lulz: Democrats stop calling President Trump a "racist" because it means nothing...so they start saying President Trump is, get this, "worse than a racist."

I shit you not.

Worse. Than. A Racist. is now a fake "thing."

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 08:31 PM (fwESp)

160 um.... ah.... Fox2 ?

"Barrel" in this instance, is not the boolit firing protuberance defining the nozzle end of yer gun.

It's much worse than that, mate.

*Cheers!*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 08:31 PM (QzJWU)

161 Wow, not too many emBarrelings here. May be a first on this thread.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:32 PM (i6sQg)

162 The thread so nice, you read it twice.

Posted by: freaked at July 21, 2019 08:32 PM (UdKB7)

163 The Gun Thread is always worth reading twice!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

164 Recap!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 08:32 PM (NWiLs)

165 PSA AK-V
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ak-47/ak-v.html

Posted by: Kenny at July 21, 2019 08:33 PM (jgNHa)

166 Operator headspace and timing?

Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at July 21, 2019 08:33 PM (YE85g)

167 Really? You can bring up to 11 pounds of ammo, so long as the ammo isn't loose. I have filled up my magazines for travel with my guns (and I wind up traveling back empty, except for my self-defense magazines which I always travel with). I get some dirty looks from the agents at the check in counter, but so long as I am within regulations, screw em.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (/0HPZ)

Well how about that. I just looked it up and yeah, that's the TSA rule. I have no idea why I thought you couldn't.

I would still check with the airline. If they choose to make their own rule, maybe they can and maybe they can't, but they can certainly keep me from making that particular flight on that day.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:35 PM (t+qrx)

168 @Ben Had

I've sent a note about TX MoMe. Excited to see you all then

Posted by: In Exile at July 21, 2019 08:35 PM (Jk+3L)

169 I added some pictures with the bipod dummied up on the galil.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmFm3TKp

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 08:37 PM (yQpMk)

170 Hogmartin, I've flown with gunz 'n ammo many times. As long as you check your airline's site, you'll be fine. I've had TSA in RI look on without comment to TSA in Texas asking about calibers, approvingly.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:37 PM (i6sQg)

171 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 08:39 PM (Kk/yR)

172 I would still check with the airline. If they choose to make their own rule, maybe they can and maybe they can't, but they can certainly keep me from making that particular flight on that day.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:35 PM (t+qrx)

Just don't fly into New York City. Check the local ordinances of where you are going, not just the TSA.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 08:39 PM (NgKpN)

173 I would get more than dirty looks from TSA if I could get a Beretta SMG 30rd stick mag to work with my 9mm BerettaCX-4 Storm.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:40 PM (CUgyF)

174 Silencers

I have shot with them

They can change your zero

But most people shoot better because muzzle blast and recoil are way less

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 08:41 PM (Kk/yR)

175 Hogmartin, what do you like to shoot? Make your preferences known well before October. Just like Ben Had said, we are a diverse lot.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 08:41 PM (UUkQp)

176 This is probably not the time to revise and "extend" my remarks.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:42 PM (MwFQu)

177 172 I would still check with the airline. If they choose to make their own rule, maybe they can and maybe they can't, but they can certainly keep me from making that particular flight on that day.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:35 PM (t+qrx)

Just don't fly into New York City. Check the local ordinances of where you are going, not just the TSA.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 08:39 PM (NgKpN)

Very true! I have only ever flown into gun-friendly locales. Truth be told, the only state I have ever taken my guns to outside TX is FL and I got absolutely no static about transport there.

TX is plenty big enough to justify flying from place to place at times and that is when I will typically travel with the guns, so I've never had anything to worry about.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:43 PM (/0HPZ)

178 This is probably not the time to revise and "extend" my remarks.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:42 PM (MwFQu)
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no worries. I managed to do the same thing here a couple of weeks ago!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

179 Other than changing zero, does a suppressor affect muzzle velocity?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (i6sQg)

180 Just don't fly into New York City. Check the local ordinances of where you are going, not just the TSA.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 08:39 PM (NgKpN)

True. But ammo in checked baggage shouldn't matter for a connection, right?

Hogmartin, what do you like to shoot? Make your preferences known well before October. Just like Ben Had said, we are a diverse lot.
Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 08:41 PM (UUkQp)

I like all kinds of stuff. Don't worry about me, I'll be fine. Though if anyone has a Swiss K-rifle or an 1873 Springfield that they wouldn't mind sharing for a bit... *shrug*

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:45 PM (t+qrx)

181 Other than changing zero, does a suppressor affect muzzle velocity?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (i6sQg)
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Now you're thinking!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:45 PM (MVjcR)

182 Other than changing zero, does a suppressor affect muzzle velocity?
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (i6sQg)

Not unless it's an older type with wipes.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:47 PM (t+qrx)

183 Excellent day at the range this morning. 2 mags(308&223) at the 100 yd berm and a couple at the 200. 8:30 am, 78 degrees 14% humidity and the benches are in the shade, so nice!! 110 rounds down range, all shiny and reloaded now. Why yes, a very enjoyable day at 5000 ft., overlooking The Great Salt Lake.

Posted by: ck at July 21, 2019 08:47 PM (GXRoa)

184 Meanwhile, the sage of the Dreyse M1907 continues...

Yesterday I took the Dreyse out to the range yet again, using different ammo.

In
addition, before it put it away from last time, I did a deep cleaning
and disassembly and practically immersed the thing in CLP.

So when I locked and loaded the little bugger, it was practically squiring oil.

But
it fired 15 shots without a hiccup before having a trigger issue that I
solved with a forceful clear and reload. Another hiccup was resolved
by testing the safety.

The issue there is that it is striker
fired and if the slide doesn't go all the way back AND if you don't let
the trigger reset while it's moving, the firing pin isn't fully cocked.

After
correction, I was able to go through the rest of the box without
incident. As it began to heat up in the 95 degree weather, I openly
speculated on whether the excessive oil would catch fire. You see,
after the magazine empties, a dark stream of black smoke would curl out
of the barrel.

I'm going to say it was the ammo, though the
cleaning and lube did make it cycle easier as well. For a pure blowback
like this firing a mouse round, that's important.

So enjoyment was had.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (k++qu)

185 Other than changing zero, does a suppressor affect muzzle velocity?
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (i6sQg)

For clarity, I think it won't unless it's uses wipes, because that's what I've been told. Source: gun people on the internet.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (t+qrx)

186 Posted by: ck at July 21, 2019 08:47 PM (GXRoa)
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very nice!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (MVjcR)

187 " Rifle ranges aren't very shady places" one more reason to avoid them and just go to the forest.

Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (IpD7L)

188 I've been to some shady rifle ranges.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:49 PM (t+qrx)

189 Chasing the links and their trails I found
CCI Quiet 22 Segmented HP.

Which according to American Hunter, what it "lacks in energy--45 ft.-lbs. --it makes up for in terminal performance". Also less ricochet.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 08:52 PM (OIwXy)

190 I've been to some shady rifle ranges.

My local range is covered so you can shoot steel in the rain.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 08:52 PM (yQpMk)

191 You guys and your luxurious shady rifle ranges!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (MVjcR)

192 Ok,hogartin, I'll bite. What are "wipes"?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (i6sQg)

193 My range is indoor and air conditioned!

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (UUBmN)

194 Weasel,

Thanks for the cleanup.

There are two kinds of people:

Those who have copied the entire thread, and those who haven't. Yet.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (MwFQu)

195 I've been to some shady rifle ranges.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:49 PM (t+qrx)

Outside the Army, I've never been on an actual range. Grew up in Wyoming. And even in my part of CO, I can go out and shoot legally (as long as I am not shooting TVs and antique booze bottles).

I pray that this does not change any time soon. But...

Colorado. Quickest shift from right to left I ever saw. Makes me ascared. Very Ascared.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 08:56 PM (aurSP)

196 My range is indoor and air conditioned!

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (UUBmN)
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show-off!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

197 187
" Rifle ranges aren't very shady places" one more reason to avoid them and just go to the forest.

Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (IpD7L)

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The Rose Lake range (home of MiMoMe's) just got an upgrade. They now have two lean-to shelters behind the firing line, so while waiting for the target check to end, you can sit in the shade. Also useful in rainy conditions. Shooters were already congregating there and chatting about results.

Apparently they went in last week, so very new for those that know the place.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 08:57 PM (k++qu)

198 I don't own a rifle...

Do you want to fire a bolt .308 bull barrel with Nightforce scope, a semi-auto .308 (AR-10T w/ Nightforce scope) or .300 Win Mag bull barrel with Nightforce scope?

I don't have an entrenchment 5.56 but know where to get one.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 08:57 PM (lD3vL)

199 Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (MwFQu)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

200 lin-duh- Shameless plug alert. Top Shop at Longview.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 08:59 PM (UUkQp)

201 >>>Those who have copied the entire thread, and those who haven't. Yet.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (MwFQu)

The other night I came this >< close.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 09:00 PM (OIwXy)

202 The other night I came this >

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 09:00 PM (OIwXy)
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The other night I did it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

203 There's a place here in the 'Ville that has an indoor range that they say is rifle rated up to at least .30. And they have some separate electronically scored 100 yard lanes for sighting in. Only been there for the nickel tour. Have to take the -10 out for a spin someday.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 09:01 PM (MwFQu)

204 Ok,hogartin, I'll bite. What are "wipes"?
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (i6sQg)

An early suppressor technology that used a repackable baffle chamber full of rubber discs; the first bullet would perforate the disk and each subsequent one would go through the same hole, contacting the wipes on the way out. If you hear people talk about a suppressor as "good for x rounds", this is what they're talking about. Modern suppressors are built with baffle chambers that don't have any parts that contact the bullet and don't need to be repacked.

I'm hoping to find a cross-section diagram or a cutaway or something, but coming up empty. Bear in mind that I am not a silencerologist and this is purely "read in articles on the internet"-grade information.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)

205 I wish I could go to the TX MoMee.

Are you in jail?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 09:03 PM (lD3vL)

206 Apparently they went in last week, so very new for those that know the place.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 08:57 PM (k++qu)

That's welcome news. Rose Lake is a pretty top-notch range, definitely worth the price of admission.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:03 PM (t+qrx)

207 I'm hoping to find a cross-section diagram or a
cutaway or something, but coming up empty. Bear in mind that I am not a
silencerologist and this is purely "read in articles on the
internet"-grade information.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)
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I thought I saw something about that on Forgotten Weapons. He was looking at the one carbine (Delisle?) that was made to be suppressed.

Could be thinking of something else, though. I did a lot of binge-watching gun vids when I was on furlough.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:05 PM (k++qu)

208 Air conditioned ranges. Preheat

Air conditioned ranges, pfeh! Blazing sun, sweat, dirt, and dryer sheets tucked in your headgear to keep the bugs off.
That was back when Men were Men and Sheep were Scared.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:06 PM (i6sQg)

209 Looks like the wikipedia entry for "Silencer (firearms) has good diagrams, scroll down to the "design and construction" section. The top one is a modern design and the bottom one is one with wipes.

https://tinyurl.com/y5fy32l2

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:06 PM (t+qrx)

210
I would get more than dirty looks from TSA if I could get a Beretta SMG 30rd stick mag to work with my 9mm BerettaCX-4 Storm.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:40 PM (CUgyF)

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Do you have the carbine?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:08 PM (k++qu)

211 Wipes are a good way to build an improvised 22LR muffler, if one were so inclined. Common hardware store stuff.

*shiftyeyes*

Or so I've read on the webz.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:09 PM (yQpMk)

212 Thx, hogmartin.
I've always wondered about the soda bottle over the barrel thing. Wouldn't you at least have to have steel wool inside to suppress the sound? Probably Hollywood, but I'm into the physics.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:10 PM (i6sQg)

213 Just don't join the John Brown Gun Club.

Antifa, or in other words they want their group to have guns, so they can take ours away from us.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 07:14 PM

Do you think anyone has told these historical illiterates what happened to John Brown?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (rBtIz)

214 Colorado. Quickest shift from right to left I ever saw. Makes me ascared. Very Ascared.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 08:56 PM (aurSP)

No way I travel there armed. I do not trust the authorities there whatsoever. (Yeah, some sheriff's departments are OK, but what if I'm stopped by the CO State Patrol? Then I'm screwed.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (/0HPZ)

215
Some day soon we need to discuss the "Sky King."

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (fwESp)

216 The suppressor for the OSS suppressed M3 was built with solid stacked screen mesh, IIRC.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (yQpMk)

217 Thx, hogmartin.
I've always wondered about the soda bottle over the barrel thing. Wouldn't you at least have to have steel wool inside to suppress the sound? Probably Hollywood, but I'm into the physics.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:10 PM (i6sQg)
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That's going to totally ruin the soda bottle.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

218 Suppressed M3 google

http://bit.ly/2StEch4

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:13 PM (yQpMk)

219 I've always wondered about the soda bottle over the barrel thing. Wouldn't you at least have to have steel wool inside to suppress the sound? Probably Hollywood, but I'm into the physics.
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:10 PM (i6sQg)
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That's going to totally ruin the soda bottle.
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

But you'll have ten years to find a new one.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:14 PM (t+qrx)

220 ...Bear in mind that I am not a silencerologist and this is purely "read in articles on the internet"-grade information.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)

You really have to watch out for the Operating Sliencertologists at the range.

They'll let you shoot their guns with the cans, but you have to hold one in each hand while they ask you all kinds of intrusive questions.

And clean out your bank account for the "privilege" of joining their cult.

You *do* know what they call us who oppose them in their quests?

Yeah, that's right: "Suppressive Personalities".

Which is right up there with Deplorable and Irredeemable.

Yeah, we need some Deplorable and Irredeemable shoulder patches!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:15 PM (QzJWU)

221 No way I travel there armed.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (/0HPZ)
There isn't much illegal in CO. You can't buy mags bigger than 14 rounds, but you can own them.

Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 09:17 PM (IpD7L)

222 C-33 @ 214- What a shame about Colorado. Mrs. E was born and raised there and I really despair for those good people who still live there. As for me, I don't travel in places where I can't protect myself and family, nor do I spend my money in those places.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 09:17 PM (UUkQp)

223 Forget the soda bottle, what you need to do is buy a few solvent trap kits. They have some nice titanium one that screw right on to the end of the barrel.

https://tinyurl.com/y5zvfjyx

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 09:18 PM (lD3vL)

224 Hickup showed one as an automobile oil filter.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (OIwXy)

225 Well, youse buys are the best. It's time to wind down.
Weasel, you and the other Cobs (and Ace, of course), do a wonderful thing. Radio Free America.
Now, to find some soda bottles. And handy-wipes.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (i6sQg)

226 Biggest reason I don't use the Soda Bottle on the end of the barrel trick?

Cleaning up all that broken glass afterwards is a pain in the ass.

*blink* *blink*

....whaa.....why you lookit me like dat?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (QzJWU)

227 220

LOL I was a silencertologist when I was 18. Loonytown. I had to escape in the middle of the night.

Posted by: Chris H at July 21, 2019 09:21 PM (L7f6N)

228 Yeah, we need some Deplorable and Irredeemable shoulder patches!
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:15 PM (QzJWU)

I'm gonna need to place a bigger order next time.

https://stoatnet.org/mimomerangebag.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:21 PM (t+qrx)

229 >>> 228 Yeah, we need some Deplorable and Irredeemable shoulder patches!
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:15 PM (QzJWU)

I'm gonna need to place a bigger order next time.

https://stoatnet.org/mimomerangebag.jpg
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:21 PM (t+qrx)

Oooh! I think I recognize the thing near the bag!!

...sorry I dropped it in the lake though.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2019 09:22 PM (0ReGO)

230 Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (i6sQg)
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goodnight, amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

231 Any tips for staying cool?
Underweigh, in the engine room (115F) we used to stick a hose down our collar, soak our clothers, and slop around for ten minutes until we were dry. Repeat.

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at July 21, 2019 09:23 PM (kD3S+)

232 ...sorry I dropped it in the lake though.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2019 09:22 PM (0ReGO)

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:24 PM (t+qrx)

233 ......sorry I dropped it in the lake though.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2019 09:22 PM (0ReGO)

"Ironbottom Sound"

Not just a Pacific sea battle site any more.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:24 PM (QzJWU)

234 Silencers

I have shot with them

They can change your zero

But most people shoot better because muzzle blast and recoil are way less

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 08:41 PM

Imma call 'bullshit' on that last sentence!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at July 21, 2019 09:25 PM (7WaWV)

235 Guns! Boom! Thanks weasel!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 09:26 PM (l0HIT)

236 I wonder if someone is going to provide another "door prize" like last year....///
Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:46 PM

I would still like to have a discussion with them about the manner in which they 'provided' her. OTOH, I continue to feel I ended up with the grand prize.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 09:27 PM (DMUuz)

237 235 Guns! Boom! Thanks weasel!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 09:26 PM (l0HIT)
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My pleasure, CB, and howdy to Heidi!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

238 I continue to feel I ended up with the grand prize.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 09:27 PM (DMUuz)
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You sure did!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

239 OT: looks like there is going to be an Anti-Antifa rally in Portland. Proud Boys, 3%, and others.

Should be fun.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:31 PM (nDe2U)

240 Xalifornia delights in making criminals out of law abiding citizens.

Posted by: torabora at July 21, 2019 09:31 PM (OqSi4)

241 OT: looks like there is going to be an Anti-Antifa rally in Portland. Proud Boys, 3%, and others.

Should be fun.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:31 PM (nDe2U)
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*steeples fingers*

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

242 ...OT: looks like there is going to be an Anti-Antifa rally in Portland. Proud Boys, 3%, and others.

Should be fun.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:31 PM (nDe2U)

Sure hope someone puts up a live-feed of the festivities!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:32 PM (QzJWU)

243
Silencers and Suppressors:

The wiki link from #209 (hogmartin) shows many suppressors, and potentially a silencer or two. Suppressors are useful, in that they can reduce the SPL of the muzzle blast by 30 or so dB, but in the case of 5.56mm, the result is still over 100dB. A vacuum cleaner is 80db. A quiet conversation measures about 30dB.

However, 1 gunshot is a spike of noise, so even the DeLisle, at about 84dB seems very quiet.

Click on the DeLisle link at the bottom, then scroll down to Notes, Ref 8. Click that link to get to s detailed article on the DeLisle carbine, with the patent drawing of the silencer itself. Note the barrel (8"), the large number of gas vents in the last 1-2" of the barrel, and the overall size of the can. Remember, the ammunition is .45 ACP, probably 230gr RN, about 900fps, maybe less. A heavy, slow bullet with a very large expansion chamber, and it's good for 84dB.

Changing Zero: IDK. However,there are reports that the baffles in the can, and probably the porting aroound the end of the barrel, divert expanding gas away from the projectile after it leaves the muzzle, decreasing the possinility of destabilizing the projectile. This makes sense, but I know of no conclusive tests.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:33 PM (FlRtG)

244 >>>OT: looks like there is going to be an Anti-Antifa rally in Portland. Proud Boys, 3%, and others.

When, etc?

Posted by: davidt at July 21, 2019 09:33 PM (jY3BZ)

245 #30 The heat burns the barrels out. And results in misplaced rounds.

Posted by: torabora at July 21, 2019 09:34 PM (OqSi4)

246 Eromero,
Here's my plug... The Range in Austin.

Duncanthrax,
I agree with you on that. That kitteh won the lottery of life.

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 09:35 PM (UUBmN)

247 However, 1 gunshot is a spike of noise, so even the DeLisle, at about 84dB seems very quiet.

Yeah, it also changes the quality of the sound. A gunshot in the open air is one of the most recognizable sounds in the world. A muffled gunshot is just a noise. People may hear it, but don't recognize it for what it is.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:36 PM (yQpMk)

248 Get ready to rumble on August 17th. 11am at the Waterfront.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:36 PM (nDe2U)

249 Yeah, it also changes the quality of the sound. A gunshot in the open air is one of the most recognizable sounds in the world. A muffled gunshot is just a noise. People may hear it, but don't recognize it for what it is.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:36 PM (yQpMk)
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That's a really good point.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

250 Before the ONT comes along and makes us the old thread, I just want to thank you all for checking in week after week. I really do appreciate it! Y'all are cool.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

251 If you want a silent weapon, just get a crossbow (or a blowgun). Also, ideal for the burning times, since the ammo is reusable.

Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (IpD7L)

252 Changing Zero: IDK. However,there are reports that the baffles in the can, and probably the porting aroound the end of the barrel, divert expanding gas away from the projectile after it leaves the muzzle, decreasing the possinility of destabilizing the projectile. This makes sense, but I know of no conclusive tests.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:33 PM (FlRtG)

Once the projectile leaves the muzzle, it's the fastest thing around. The gas just wants to expand; it will do so into the most convenient area of lesser pressure which should be perpendicular to the path of the bullet or very near to it. I don't think there's any way for a suppressor to affect the bullet before or after it leaves bore, whether it's still in the can or not, but again, I don't know for certain either.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (t+qrx)

253 Before the ONT comes along and makes us the old thread, I just want to thank you all for checking in week after week. I really do appreciate it! Y'all are cool.
Posted by: Weasel
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No problemo, you're welcome! *tongue in cheek*

Are you Kidding me? We thank you for your time and knowledge! Besides, I heard you're kind of a big deal...

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 09:42 PM (UUBmN)

254 Thanks, Weasel and all. Taps at Eromero position. Manana.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 09:43 PM (UUkQp)

255
Check YouTube for videos of modern, reproduction DeLisle carbines being fired. Allowing for the quality of sound pickup, the firing is really very much like a pellet rifle firing, with the bullet impact (echo?) registering a second or two later.

Part of the noise is the striker, which argues for a shield around the receiver. Some of it is indeed blast. For starters, I think that wrapping the can with sound-deadening fiberglass mat and rubber, plus doubling the number of baffles, to absorb more heat, might help a lot.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:43 PM (FlRtG)

256 Besides, I heard you're kind of a big deal...

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 09:42 PM (UUBmN)
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Well, yes, just not according to WeaselWoman!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

257 (sigh) Late to the party again.

TxMoMe: I've almost talked myself over my self-consciousness and into committing to going. It'll take some negotiating with Mrs. theB. I'll email Ben and Weasel if I can make it happen.

Gun trusts: my understanding is that the first time you apply for a stamp, it will take as long as it takes because that's when they do the background check. Subsequent applications should go faster since they don't redo the check. However, each time you add a new person to the trust, the next application puts you back into the wait list.

Range time: this week I took one of my dad's guns that I've never shot before. A Colt Series 70 Government Model. Nothing really special about it except that it was my dad's. I had forgotten what it's like to shoot a 1911 without a beaver tail. Didn't get bitten but did run a little skin off the web of my hand.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (qc+VF)

258 224
Hickup showed one as an automobile oil filter.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (OIwXy)

They work great for .22.
Fun fact: Firearm suppressors and car mufflers were invented by the same person.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (rnXGe)

259 ...If you want a silent weapon, just get a crossbow (or a blowgun). Also, ideal for the burning times, since the ammo is reusable.

Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (IpD7L)

If you want a silent weapon, avoid my ex-wife.

*plays track of Charlie Brown's Teacher at full effect*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (QzJWU)

260 Thanks, Weasel and all. Taps at Eromero position. Manana.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 09:43 PM (UUkQp)
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Thanks and goodnight Eromero!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:45 PM (MVjcR)

261 If you want a silent weapon, just get a crossbow (or a blowgun). Also, ideal for the burning times, since the ammo is reusable.
Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (IpD7L)

Or the Chuck Bartowski tranq' dart. Flawless and the dose is perfect.

Every. Time.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 09:45 PM (aurSP)

262 Fun fact: Firearm suppressors and car mufflers were invented by the same person.
Posted by: Brian
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Midas? Thrush?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2019 09:46 PM (CDGwz)

263 If you want a silent weapon, just get a crossbow (or a blowgun).

I don't want a "silent" weapon, though I guess that would be nice all else aside, so much as I want a weapon that won't blind and deafen me if I have to use it.

The whole mufflers being NFA items is retarded. If firearms were just being introduced to the market today, I guarantee you that the FTC would require mufflers on them as a consumer protection.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:46 PM (yQpMk)

264 Fun fact: Firearm suppressors and car mufflers were invented by the same person.

From a good family.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:46 PM (yQpMk)

265 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (qc+VF)
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Hope you can make it BtB! It'd be nice to meet you.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:47 PM (MVjcR)

266 Weasel, did you take WeaselWoman to the LGSs as part of the prescribed therapy?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 09:48 PM (DMUuz)

267 Weasel, did you take WeaselWoman to the LGSs as part of the prescribed therapy?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 09:48 PM (DMUuz)
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Local Gun Store? She has her own mini-arsenal!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

268 I've moved from yes, to no to a tentative yes on the TexasMoMe. Finances are very shaky right now. Praying something goes my way.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (dUJdY)

269 I've moved from yes, to no to a tentative yes on the TexasMoMe. Finances are very shaky right now. Praying something goes my way.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (dUJdY)
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Sell me some earrings!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

270 Since we're in off-topic mode now. Thanks to whomever in the horde posted the link for the "real-time" link to the Apollo 11 mission.

Holy hell, those men had balls of depleted uranium. I've known the story of the mission for years. Hearing them, real time, sometimes bickering like men do when confined to small quarters.

I love the part where Mike is asking Buzz and Neil about what kind of samples they got, and whatnot. A lot of that was not audio, just transcribed later.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (aurSP)

271
252 hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (t+qrx)

"Once the projectile leaves the muzzle, it's the fastest thing around. ..."

I've watched high-speed videos of artillery being fired. In all of the cases that I can remember, the projectile does indeed make it out of the barrel first, but once the driving band leaves the barrel, the propelling gas usually envelopes the projectile for a foot or so. I think this is only true for "artillery" (105, 155, etc.), not tank guns firing APFSDS rounds. I suspect this is also true for firearms, but for maybe an inch or so for lower velocity ammunition.

Some discussion last week, about crowning muzzles, supports this, although I think most of the value of crowning is to even-out the gas release and protect the rifling.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:51 PM (FlRtG)

272 Sell me some earrings!

Buy my earrings!! lol! I have free shipping now ya'll.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:52 PM (dUJdY)

273 I like my keychain, Jewels.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (nDe2U)

274 I like my keychain, Jewels.

Thank you

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (dUJdY)

275
Fun fact: Firearm suppressors and car mufflers were invented by the same person.
Posted by: Brian
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Midas? Thrush?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

W1AW?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (aKsyK)

276 Some discussion last week, about crowning muzzles, supports this, although I think most of the value of crowning is to even-out the gas release and protect the rifling.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:51 PM (FlRtG)

I missed that, I should go take a look. I had thought that crowning was to ensure that the rifling was even all the way around at the muzzle.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (t+qrx)

277 W1AW?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (aKsyK)

Pretty sure that's it.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:55 PM (t+qrx)

278 BTW.. did you guys know I sold 42 of those keychains!! 42!!! That's so awesome.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:55 PM (dUJdY)

279 Late to the thread.

Range yesterday with mark was fun. I'm getting close to almost proficient with the Glock 19.

Got my 1911 back after getting a new front sight on it. I love my 1911.

Signed my papers and am on the wait phase for my Glock 42. I will be very happy to start running ammo through her and make her my carry.

Love this thread, weasel, thank you for all your time and effort!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 09:56 PM (PkVlr)

280 Love this thread, weasel, thank you for all your time and effort!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 09:56 PM (PkVlr)
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You're very welcome!
*peck*

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

281 Buy my earrings!! lol! I have free shipping now ya'll.

Can you do an unofficial AoSHQ hat pin?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 09:58 PM (qc+VF)

282 I wonder what the ATF would say about a gun with a built in suppressor in the barrel?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:00 PM (2DOZq)

283 250....

Thanks Weasel. As for an MP5....maybe one day! Good night.

Posted by: WVinMN at July 21, 2019 10:00 PM (pV4s0)

284 Can you do an unofficial AoSHQ hat pin?

I will look into it Bob!

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 10:00 PM (dUJdY)

285 I think garrett is in the market for earrings.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (2DOZq)

286 Ont is up.

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (MAstk)

287 Weasel needs some of those beard ornaments....

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (UUBmN)

288 Thanks Weasel. As for an MP5....maybe one day! Good night.

Posted by: WVinMN at July 21, 2019 10:00 PM (pV4s0)
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Thanks and thanks for stopping by WVinMN!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

289 I wonder what the ATF would say about a gun with a built in suppressor in the barrel?

They would say $200 please.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (yQpMk)

290 Bob, if you think you want to come please let me know because motel rooms are next to non existent

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (HG3Kb)

291 OK - that's it. Have a great week everyone!
'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

292 I wonder what the ATF would say about a gun with a built in suppressor in the barrel?

All the same rules apply as to a removable suppressor.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (qc+VF)

293 Georgia Arms is pretty good ammo. I buy it from time to time.

Also, the Real Avid 18-in-1 gun tool shotgun choke does work on Stoeger Condor O/U shotguns. Available on Amazon for a great price.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at July 21, 2019 10:05 PM (+Kpte)

294 Bob, if you think you want to come please let me know because motel rooms are next to non existent.

Ben, thanks. Look for an email from me tomorrow.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 10:05 PM (qc+VF)

295 Weasel needs some of those beard ornaments....

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (UUBmN)
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heck yeah! Maybe a little bell!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:14 PM (MVjcR)

296 Excellent day at the range this morning. 2 mags(308&223) at the 100 yd berm and a couple at the 200. 8:30 am, 78 degrees 14% humidity and the benches are in the shade, so nice!! 110 rounds down range, all shiny and reloaded now. Why yes, a very enjoyable day at 5000 ft., overlooking The Great Salt Lake.

CK, I would be interested in knowing where you are shooting, as I live in northern Utah as well.
thanks.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at July 21, 2019 10:24 PM (RBFmA)

297 The CCI Quiet .22 LR are quieter than my pellet rifle.
Good medicine for squirrels in the orchard out to 75 yards or so.
Due to being solids shot placement is everything.
I found a couple of boxes of the segmented type, but they would not feed from the magazine of my Browning T-Bolt. The segmented rounds were more effective (more expensive, too), but not worth dealing with the FTF issue.
Penetration is better than I expected, but my neighbor reported failure to penetrate the skull of a ewe he had to put down. They will penetrate three 3/4 pine boards at twenty-five yards.
There is no appreciable noise reduction when fired in a pistol.
I like them a lot.

Back in another century, before suppressor were readily available, I was at a LGS in Eugene, Oregon and was talking to the owner about an older gentleman who lived in Northern California that made suppressed Ruger MkIIs and 10/22s for military and law enforcement folks. I described the MKII as appearing to have to have a ten-inch bull barrel, but the suppressor and barrel are in a ten-inch tube.
He says, "Like this?" And pulls a suppressed Ruger MKII just as I had described from under his desk drawer. He told me that it was fun to shoot, but that he really liked do is to take his suppressed MP5 with a laser sight and ride his quad through the high desert in Eastern Oregon at night and shoot jack rabbits on the run.
Oregon has gone downhill rapidly since.

Posted by: Waepnedmann at July 22, 2019 02:09 AM (fk08e)

298 Oh, and thank you for the gun thread. I look forward to it every week.

Posted by: Waepnedmann at July 22, 2019 02:10 AM (fk08e)

299 Thank you Ben Had! I am in Corsicana often and that is a good date. I guess site will be mentioned later.

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