Oh Goody! Another Debt-Busting Budget Deal, This Time Courtesy Of The Usual Suspects: Everyone In DC

This is one of the things that worried me about President Trump; his comfort with huge amounts of debt. That's the way real estate works, and he was better than most at playing the game. At first I entertained the naive hope that with a booming economy and even a cursory attempt at budget control we would be able to grow our way out of the spiraling deficits that have become the new normal.

Clearly that isn't going to happen: Hey...nobody said I was smart.

'Indistinguishable from Democrats': Daniel Horowitz tells Mark Levin what's behind Republicans' debt-exploding budget deal

Horowitz explained that the current spending levels are the result of the budget deals that congressional Republicans cut during the last session of Congress, “and now they’re looking for a repeat performance” in the current spending debate. They appear ready to hand Speaker Nancy Pelosi a debt-exploding deal that suspends the debt limit, busts spending caps, and “give away the president’s leverage on the border.”
Read the article...it's the usual gang of craven and shortsighted politicians who simply don't care about the future financial health of the country. Government spending has become so ridiculous that I wonder whether they are still trying to buy votes! How many voters actually pull the lever for the incumbent because he voted for some pork? Spending is out of control on all fronts, so how do people recognize directed spending vs. the background abomination that is the federal budget?

It reminds me of watching a chain smoker; lighting one cigarette from the stub of the previous one, never enjoying it but driven by his addiction to the process.

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Posted by: Big Star at July 21, 2019 12:16 PM (nb8+g)

2 The inevitability of the debt crash.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at July 21, 2019 12:16 PM (l7Kbv)

3 th

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 21, 2019 12:20 PM (BqBId)

4 IN regards to the weather this past week: I think the great 20th Century Philosopher Beavis said it best when he said "Butthead this SUCKS, Make it STOP"

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 21, 2019 12:20 PM (BqBId)

5 I can't blame Trump for this. Republicans have been spending like Democrats for a long time. They just have different priorities and pet constituencies.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:22 PM (sdi6R)

6 This subject is why I wonder why we have Federal Taxes. What's the point when we finance most of the budget anyway? I know that politicos use taxes and subsidies as a way to control behavior, but in the aggregate if debt doesn't matter neither should revenue.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (r+sAi)

7 It's OK we'll just print more money!!
- AOC

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (FiUMj)

8 The Romans used decimation to put some backbone into troops, and Sulla used proscription to rally the lazy self-indulgent upper classes.

Are the lessons of Rome applicable here?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee in hand at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (cyuo5)

9

Hey, it worked for Zimbabwe.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 12:24 PM (aKsyK)

10 Now I want a Cigarette.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:24 PM (yE4ie)

11 Once you hit DC, whatever your good intentions are, you get sucked into other people's money spending.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 12:25 PM (BbGew)

12 Now I want a Cigarette.
That'll be 4 bitcoins.

Posted by: Inflation Master at July 21, 2019 12:25 PM (r+sAi)

13 First line in the new Federal Budget should be a Remittance Tax of 95%.

Followed by about 50 lines of Welfare Reform.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:26 PM (yE4ie)

14 Now I want a Cigarette.


Running drugs?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 12:26 PM (fuK7c)

15 >>Once you hit DC, whatever your good intentions are, you get sucked into other people's money spending.


You can't take your cut of Zero Dollars Spent.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:27 PM (yE4ie)

16 Part of the problem I think is we've had people screaming about the debt for 30 years. Ross Perot got 20% of the vote twice on the matter. People kind of shrug their shoulders now. And anyone who points out that the debt situation is unsustainable is tuned out by the masses because they've been hearing about a debt bomb all their lives and it has never happened.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:27 PM (FiUMj)

17 Meh, the debt is never going to decrease, and no one outside of a small percentage of white men - whom no one is going to listen to - are ever going to ask for government spending to decrease, or even to stop *increasing* quite so fast.

Unfunded liabilities will eventually become never-paid-out "we took the liberty of bullshitting you" non-liabilities, and the tears will be delicious.

The only question is which factor breaks up the US first: financial collapse, or demographic balkanization. Either way, figure 15 years, maybe 20 tops. Possibly much less.

Posted by: John Bradley at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (2ZZVu)

18 "How many voters actually pull the lever for the incumbent because he voted for some pork?"

There must be something to it, since many politicians have made huge careers out of it.

Sure as hell voters will vote for the other guy if the first guy cuts the pork that's already there.

Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (hNTtn)

19 5 I can't blame Trump for this. Republicans have been spending like Democrats for a long time. They just have different priorities and pet constituencies.
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Yep.

It's yet another thing the GOPe lies about.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (MAstk)

20 My one small thought about the deficit/national debt is that it will require something like "the military base closing commission" to address the problem. Remember that?

It took a bipartisan buy-in, & delegation of Congressional authority to the commission, to make VERY unpopular decisions. Once the commission made its decisions to close military bases, Congress could've overridden the commission, but did not.

To do something like that again, only on a vastly bigger scale, a crisis would probably be a necessary condition precedent.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (Cssks)

21 If interest rates ever go up, hoo boy. Of course Teh Fed has a large amount of control of this, until it doesn't.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 12:30 PM (r+sAi)

22 How many voters actually pull the lever for the incumbent because he voted for some pork?
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It worked for Robert Byrd. I'm not sure how many are "craven and shortsighted". Many are doing what they went to Washington to do. And they get praised for "governing" and "doing the people's business" and crap like that.

Of course, there are turncoats, too. Paul Ryan first arose as someone who would fight it. That worked great, didn't it? In a sense, we're better off with McTurtle, who at least knows what he's doing.

The best thing we could do is adopt the Shirley Jackson solution. An annual lottery of the 535 members of the two houses. The one chosen will be stoned by taxpayers on April 15th, every year. Might not actually fix anything, but it'd be fun.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (VaN/j)

23 P.S. I think people will wake up when Social Security benefits start being cut. And that's no surprise: every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.

Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)

24 >>If interest rates ever go up, hoo boy.


If they don't, this whole 'recovery' is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (yE4ie)

25 the only way to reduce debt is to attack entitlements. they won't. trump campaigned on not touching soc. sec. & medicare and most likely would have lost had he intended otherwise.

i gave up on being a fiscal hawk back in the bush II years.

i read somewhere that servicing the debt is already in the hundreds of billions and will reach a trillion in around a decade. something like that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM (Pg+x7)

26 18 "How many voters actually pull the lever for the incumbent because he voted for some pork?"

There must be something to it, since many politicians have made huge careers out of it.

Sure as hell voters will vote for the other guy if the first guy cuts the pork that's already there.
Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (hNTtn)

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There is an air force base in by district. The last 2 election cycles all the incumbent's ads mentioned how hard she fought to keep the base open. And in 2018 the challenger to the incumbent was a state legislator whose ads all mentioned how much money she got to her district from the state.

Pork wins elections, no doubt about it.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM (FiUMj)

27 The Fed is going to cut rates at the next meeting.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM (MAstk)

28 Painting of the Horde.

https://bit.ly/2JRgB66

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM (+y/Ru)

29 Clinton admin. guaranteeed that anyone under the age of 30 (in 1992-4 or so, I forget) was NOT going to receive their benefits.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:33 PM (yE4ie)

30 8 The Romans used decimation to put some backbone into troops, and Sulla used proscription to rally the lazy self-indulgent upper classes.

Are the lessons of Rome applicable here?
Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee in hand at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (cyuo5)
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You and I (#22) are on the same page here.

I'm not letting Trump off the hook entirely. He's not the ultimate cause, but he DID promise he wouldn't let it happen again. He needs to at least offer some resistance.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:33 PM (VaN/j)

31 Now I want a Cigarette.
Running drugs?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 12:26 PM

Probably worse than that, loosies

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 12:34 PM (BbGew)

32 How many fingers am I holding up now, Winston?

I want the budget to go so far down the rabbit hole that they can never get it out of the red. I used to care about such things but my fellow Americans seem not to so fuck it. I want medicare and Social Security Ponzi for all, RV's and Harleys for all the old farts who still think they are teenagers and free kollege for all the utes in the Young Pioneers. Land of the Freebies and Home of the Broke Ass.

Serves us right for being so selfish, short sighted, stupid and voting for Santa Marx.

As the government ponzi check hits my checking account, I have won the battle against myself. I have learned to love Big Debt.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 12:34 PM (Z+IKu)

33 Clearly that isn't going to happen: Hey...nobody said I was smart.

Of course you are. No one bats 1.000.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:34 PM (YqDXo)

34 I'm not letting Trump off the hook entirely. He's not the ultimate cause, but he DID promise he wouldn't let it happen again. He needs to at least offer some resistance.
..

Then we have another worthless govt shutdown that T gets blamed for.

We saw this last winter. The Dems never get the blame. Then at some point the GOP caves and Pelosi gets what she wants anyways.

Lose-lose.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:35 PM (MAstk)

35 23 P.S. I think people will wake up when Social Security benefits start being cut. And that's no surprise: every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.
Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)
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Not a problem. Soylent Gray is Boomers.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:35 PM (VaN/j)

36 Batman seduces Catwoman.

https://bit.ly/2Y7sUQG

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 12:36 PM (+y/Ru)

37 The budget deficit & Social Security deficit are 2 different problems, & SSA is much easier to fix.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 12:36 PM (Cssks)

38 The debt will never be repaid. They go through the motions to try to convince as many people as possible that the financial system isnt smoke and mirrors -- but it is. One day the merry-go-round will stop, but it wont stop just in the USA, the whole world will be hit and the entire global economy will change. Congress will never stop it.

Posted by: Revenant at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (bD2Jh)

39 Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)


It's guaranteed they will take your money but not guaranteed they will give it back.

It's a safety-net!

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (MAstk)

40 BTW, my wife recently told me the original model for Catwoman was Hedy Lamarr. That beauty than which no greater can be conceived.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (VaN/j)

41 The Romans used decimation to put some backbone into troops, and Sulla used proscription to rally the lazy self-indulgent upper classes.

He also used it to raise cash, because those on the proscription lists were executed and forfeited their wealth to the state.

Say, anyone seen George Soros around?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:38 PM (YqDXo)

42 The conventional wisdom was that Congress would NEVER close all those military bases, but they did.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 12:38 PM (Cssks)

43 Posted by: Revenant at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (bD2Jh)

Yep.

We are running trillion dollar deficits with 3+% growth.

Insanity.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:39 PM (MAstk)

44 hedy lamarr?

julie newmar was something special. & also a genius.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 12:39 PM (Pg+x7)

45 ... (newmar invented and patented a kind of spanx back in the '70s).

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 12:40 PM (Pg+x7)

46 I agree this is a "defect" of Trump conservatism. He doesn't give a damn about spending.

I really don't think anything serious is going to be done until it's a real crisis.

I'll say this though, I don't think voters care about the issue and I think the debt can be kicked down the road for another generation or two and Trump realizes this and just wants to get reelected.

It's far more important Trump get reelected and appoint more judges than token reforms that maybe cut 1% off discretionary spending.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:41 PM (UfkIY)

47 23 P.S. I think people will wake up when Social Security benefits start being cut. And that's no surprise: every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.

Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)


From what I've read, Social Security is fixable (raising the retirement age, means testing, etc.), but Medicare isn't. Medicare is unsustainable as it is today; "Medicare For All" would probably require a Third World standard of health care.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:41 PM (sdi6R)

48 debt for the future? Well one good point...I will be dead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (85Gof)

49 Are the lessons of Rome applicable here?
Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee in hand at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (cyuo5)

Yeah. Rome fell.

Once you realize that in any country that has a debt based financial system you can never pay off the debt, you can come to the understanding that the entire purpose of the Federal Government and, now, the State Governments is to borrow more money into existence. The Romans did this, but they were able to go out an conquer other entities so they could just steal the interest from them. We're more "woke" than the Romans, so we just place the debt onto the peasants. The system will default some day. The scum in DC and your State Capitols are just trying to time it so they're no longer there when the SHTF. Maybe that's why we're seeing so many retirements?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (m79Dg)

50 44 hedy lamarr?

julie newmar was something special. & also a genius.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 12:39 PM (Pg+x7)
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Hedy's #1, but Julie was special too. The very first Playboy I ever saw had a pictorial of her (she was much hotter than the centerfold.) One picture has remained with me, always.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (VaN/j)

51 Obligatory:

That's Hedley!

Funny how that never gets old.


Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (aurSP)

52 In this case, I think I'll practice the subtle art of not giving a f*ck.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (H8QX8)

53 BTW, my wife recently told me the original model for Catwoman was Hedy Lamarr. That beauty than which no greater can be conceived.
Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (VaN/j)


And smart with it. She (with a co-inventor, IIRC) invented frequency-hopping as a way of preventing the jamming of torpedoes. The electronics of the time couldn't implement her invention, but frequency-hopping is used routinely now.

You'd have thought Hedda Hopper would have thought of it first...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (YqDXo)

54 Think of the debt as refinancing a house in perpetuity. It will never be paid off.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:43 PM (FiUMj)

55 I forgot to mention that Hedy was apparently the model for the first comic book Catwoman. Long before it made it to a screen. Anyway, that's what my wife tells me.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (VaN/j)

56 The problem is that every time the Republicans "reform" taxes they crow about how many people they've taken off the tax rolls. Too many people in this country get from Uncle Sugar but don't contribute.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (xQfPr)

57 52 In this case, I think I'll practice the subtle art of not giving a f*ck.
..

That's my newly adopted position.

Although I do, greatly.

But *no one* will do what needs to be done.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (MAstk)

58 56 The problem is that every time the Republicans "reform" taxes they crow about how many people they've taken off the tax rolls. Too many people in this country get from Uncle Sugar but don't contribute.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (xQfPr)

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Dubya started this stupidity.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:45 PM (FiUMj)

59 Yay me!

I made delicious migas for brunch.


Satisfied tummies all around.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 12:45 PM (2EMYr)

60 The debt will never be repaid. They go through the motions to try to convince as many people as possible that the financial system isnt smoke and mirrors -- but it is. One day the merry-go-round will stop, but it wont stop just in the USA, the whole world will be hit and the entire global economy will change. Congress will never stop it.
Posted by: Revenant at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (bD2Jh)


The only way out, short of frank collapse: to inflate the bejesus out of the currency.

"OK, we owe you $10,000,000,000. Here ya go. That'll buy a loaf of bread now. I dunno, maybe two."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:45 PM (YqDXo)

61 And the Social Security withholding they have confiscated, without my permission, since I was 15? Lucky if I see a dime.

*spit*

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 12:46 PM (BLFnH)

62 From what I've read, Social Security is fixable (raising the retirement age, means testing, etc.), but Medicare isn't. Medicare is unsustainable as it is today; "Medicare For All" would probably require a Third World standard of health care.
Posted by: rickl

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Yea, Social Security could be fixed pretty easily, at least for everyone here to get their full benefits. It's probably going to be something both sides don't like, raise payroll tax cap and the age of eligibility. They also need to cut the disability nonsense.

MediCare is the big issue that needs real reforms, something like a voucher system

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:46 PM (UfkIY)

63 56 The problem is that every time the Republicans "reform" taxes they crow about how many people they've taken off the tax rolls. Too many people in this country get from Uncle Sugar but don't contribute.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (xQfPr)


Exactly! I remember seeing an article in the Bush 43 years that said that. So his tax cuts had the effect of ensuring that fewer voters even give a shit about taxes.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:47 PM (sdi6R)

64 The only way out, short of frank collapse: to inflate the bejesus out of the currency.

"OK, we owe you $10,000,000,000. Here ya go. That'll buy a loaf of bread now. I dunno, maybe two."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

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The thing is, most of the "debt" are entitlements you can't inflate away. Things like Social Security are tied to inflation rates.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:47 PM (UfkIY)

65 When I lived in Europe the leftists had some ridiculous pie-in-the-sky program (you're astonished, I know) and to be fair, a reportertte asked the leading leftist proponent how he'd pay for the program.

"Easy - we'll borrow the money!" he chirped, apparently not grasping the distinction between paying for the program and financing the program.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:48 PM (YqDXo)

66 Yea, Social Security could be fixed pretty easily, at least for everyone here to get their full benefits. It's probably going to be something both sides don't like, raise payroll tax cap and the age of eligibility. They also need to cut the disability nonsense.

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Raise the cap without raising the benefits for those who pay more. Awesome!! But this will only affect rich old white guys so it's all good.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:49 PM (FiUMj)

67 Honestly, it's this kind of stupid shit that makes me think about investing in bitcoin.

And bitcoin is a literal nothing. Worse than the Great Tulip Balloon. At least, you got a snazzy garden outta that.

A round of "go fuck yourself"s for the members of Congress.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 12:49 PM (2EMYr)

68 Probably worse than that, loosies
Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 12:34 PM (BbGew)

Punishable by summary execution!

Posted by: NYPD at July 21, 2019 12:49 PM (NWiLs)

69 A nation that doesn't even have real budgets for its departments and agencies doesn't give a damn about deficits and debt.

The national debt? That ship has sailed son and it ain't ever coming back.

You might as well find something else to fret about.

This ain't it chief.

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2019 12:50 PM (cknjq)

70 "OK, we owe you $10,000,000,000. Here ya go. That'll buy a loaf of bread now. I dunno, maybe two."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Zimbabwe bucks.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 12:50 PM (NWiLs)

71 The thing is, most of the "debt" are entitlements you can't inflate away. Things like Social Security are tied to inflation rates.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:47 PM (UfkIY)


That's true. Also, after a while, lenders get leery about lending money because of the inflation threat, since they don't want to be paid off in funny money, or if they will, they demand an exorbitant interest rate.

Cue "quantitative easing," where we lent ourselves money because the Chinese snapped their checkbook shut.

I like the idea of lending yourself money. Btw, I'm now a billionaire, as I loaned myself a billion dollars on some very generous terms.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:51 PM (YqDXo)

72 Remember when

that financial genius Paul Ryan, he with his 75 year plan to balance the budget, couldn't round up enough votes from fiscally conservative Repubs to pass the yearly spending bills so he gave the DEMS moar money than they asked for to get the bills passed with big Dem votes?

Cuz I do.

And Mitch ain't no better.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 21, 2019 12:51 PM (Z4rgH)

73 Zimbabwe bucks.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 12:50 PM (NWiLs)


Exactly. I used to have a zillion Zimbabwean dollar bill. I forget how many zeroes were on it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:52 PM (YqDXo)

74 Raise the cap without raising the benefits for those who pay more. Awesome!! But this will only affect rich old white guys so it's all good.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

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Yea, pretty much.

It always has been a welfare program and not a real pension.

The people that contribute very little make out like gangbusters, the people that max it out get something like a 1% rate of return on their money.

The average American would probably retire with 7 figures if they could drop that money in the S&P500 instead.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:53 PM (UfkIY)

75 28 Painting of the Horde.

https://bit.ly/2JRgB66
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM

KINKS !!!

Posted by: Heirloominati at July 21, 2019 12:53 PM (hgEPl)

76 67 Honestly, it's this kind of stupid shit that makes me think about investing in bitcoin.

And bitcoin is a literal nothing. Worse than the Great Tulip Balloon. At least, you got a snazzy garden outta that.

A round of "go fuck yourself"s for the members of Congress.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 12:49 PM (2EMYr)


Much like the Democrats' risible notion of a trillion dollar coin. For my part I thought we should mint it, and use it to be welfare.

"Here ya go. Can we get change for the difference?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:53 PM (YqDXo)

77 Bernie calls for the electoral college to be abolished. Then . . .

David Burge
@iowahawkblog
Get your wife on it, she's good at bringing down colleges

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 12:53 PM (+y/Ru)

78 use it to PAY welfare

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:54 PM (YqDXo)

79 The problem I have with Trump on this is he gets nothing for it. No wall, no final killing of obamacare, etc. Even PP continues to get funding.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 12:55 PM (r+sAi)

80 >>Bernie calls for the electoral college to be abolished.


Retarded Commie can't be bothered to read our founding documents and play by the rules set forth.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:56 PM (yE4ie)

81 Now here's the real pisser: we pay foreign aid to various shitholes countries. Where do we get the money? WE BORROW IT. Now why can't the shithole countries just borrow the money directly? Because they're shithole countries, and no one in his right mind would lend the contents of his handkerchief to them.

Maybe we should get Chelsea's hubby Mezvinsky on this. He thought Greek debt was going to be a brilliant financial play for his (now defunct) hedge fund. I hope that that was just a scheme to launder money for crooked Democrat politicians. I hate to think any higher primate was actually that stupid.

Then again, he DID marry Chelsea, so the jury is still out.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

82 77 Bernie calls for the electoral college to be abolished.

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Should be simple. Just takes 2/3 of congress and 3/4 of states.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (FiUMj)

83 Oh, everybody's here.

Oh well, my last comment in the last thread fits in here.

Everyone is a Keynesian. When seen from that perspective, all of this starts to make sense.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (cY3LT)

84 I still believe nobody gives a shit about shutdowns.

The first republican with teh balls to do it will be rewarded.

I mean really - does the rest of the country worry about non essential washington dc?

Posted by: Socialist Man at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (7NSrk)

85 >>Now here's the real pisser: we pay foreign aid to various shitholes countries. Where do we get the money? WE BORROW IT. Now why can't the shithole countries just borrow the money directly? Because they're shithole countries, and no one in his right mind would lend the contents of his handkerchief to them.


Stop Redlining!

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (yE4ie)

86 Both Social Security and Medicare are welfare programs, if you reach the point where you receive more benefits than you paid in. Beyond that, they're pure welfare.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (sdi6R)

87 Honestly, it's this kind of stupid shit that makes me think about investing in bitcoin.

And bitcoin is a literal nothing. Worse than the Great Tulip Balloon. At least, you got a snazzy garden outta that.

A round of "go fuck yourself"s for the members of Congress.

Posted by: naturalfake

___________

I love the concept of bitcoin and no government involvement, but to me it's like paying money for a video game score.

If you really worry about this, buy physical gold. It will almost certainly be dead money in terms of growth, but even in a collapse I could see it preserving wealth.

I've just stopped worrying about it, I actually think fiscal issues are more easily solved than other bigger issues like a million illegals walking over here every year.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (UfkIY)

88 Who runs bartertown?!! won't actually be a meme someday.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:00 PM (r+sAi)

89 The only way out, short of frank collapse: to inflate the bejesus out of the currency.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:45 PM (YqDXo)

No, that's only the way your elected representatives prefer. They are more beholden to the private entities that finance the debt than they are to you. The only way out is to take back control of the government, hoping that the military and police forces don't decide to support the financiers (like the Soviet military), and repudiate the debt. This is the main reason they want to outlaw your right to bear arms. And arm bears.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:00 PM (m79Dg)

90 SS works like this

Pay in $10 get back $100

Pay in $25 get back $50

Pay in $50 get back $25

Pay in $100 get back $10

So basically a welfare program disguised as a pension plan.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:00 PM (FiUMj)

91 The fundamental problem: we've expanded the franchise MUCH MUCH too far. People who cannot handle their own finances, and who contribute f-all to the nation's, get a say in how the nation handles ITS finances. (Yeah, I'm looking at you, Peggy Joseph. Did Barack pay your bills from his stash? Did you learn anything when he didn't? I'm betting "no.")

THAT'S the fundamental problem. Hat tip to de Tocqueville. He called it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:00 PM (YqDXo)

92 I still believe nobody gives a shit about shutdowns.

The first republican with teh balls to do it will be rewarded.

I mean really - does the rest of the country worry about non essential washington dc?
Posted by: Socialist Man

_____________

I sort of agree, but I just know every Republican will eventually fold, so it just seems to accomplish nothing.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:01 PM (UfkIY)

93 Which perpetual motion machine stops first?

Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 01:02 PM (RuIsu)

94 I mean really - does the rest of the country worry about non essential washington dc?
Posted by: Socialist Man at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (7NSrk)

Ummmmmmm......Nope.

Lay all their asses off permanently.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 01:02 PM (Z+IKu)

95 I've just stopped worrying about it, I actually think fiscal issues are more easily solved than other bigger issues like a million illegals walking over here every year.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (UfkIY)

A million illegals walking over here every year is engineered by those that finance the debt to distract you from focusing on your slavery.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:03 PM (m79Dg)

96 86 Both Social Security and Medicare are welfare programs, if you reach the point where you receive more benefits than you paid in. Beyond that, they're pure welfare.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (sdi6R)


Include my bete noire, the earned income tax "credit," which is straight-up welfare. A credit is a cashless forgiveness of a future obligation. Getting cash from the Federal government is welfare, coming and going.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:03 PM (YqDXo)

97 A million illegals walking over here every year is engineered by those that finance the debt to distract you from focusing on your slavery.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male

___________

I think if you get control of who's here, a lot falls into place.

A big reason why CA is in the shape it's in is because of who their residents are.

If the US never had an illegal immigration problem, my guess is most of these fiscal issues would be much less just because of the voter base.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (UfkIY)

98 It's OK we'll just print more money!!
- AOC


As self-evidently stupid as that is, it's an actual economic theory being taken seriously by actual economists. They've even given a a seriously Marxist sounding name: "Modern Monetary Theory." NPR has reported on it a couple of times. Apparently, the idea is that as long as the economy as a whole is growing and inflation is not too high, you can kick the can indefinitely. AFAIK, the theory doesn't say what happens if those conditions change.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (E94D/)

99 Man, 65, made fake bomb threat to get date with flight attendant
The Serbian man, who has not been named, wanted to keep the woman in the country longer after she refused a date with him.

. . . .

All 130 passengers and five crew members had to leave the aircraft while it was searched by a special police squad and sniffer dogs.

https://bit.ly/2M5Ak4z

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)

100 Stop Redlining!
Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (yE4ie)


Exactly. Oooh, now you've done it.

The Reds and the bruthas would have us believe that banks won't loan money to the bruthas because they're racist.

We must know different bankers. The ones I know would loan money to Satan if they thought the loan would perform. It's not as though if they loan money in the ghetto that they have to marry their daughters off there.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:06 PM (YqDXo)

101 Include my bete noire, the earned income tax "credit," which is straight-up welfare. A credit is a cashless forgiveness of a future obligation. Getting cash from the Federal government is welfare, coming and going.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

___________

And this was championed by conservatives like Milton Friedman as a way to avoid welfare.

My theory has been even if you only make $1 a year, at least some portion should be going to taxes just make people understand where the government gets its money.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:06 PM (UfkIY)

102 Then we should eliminate public unions. Why lay them off? They will get unemployment. Can't fire them because of union contracts. The whole thing has turned into a house of cards.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 01:06 PM (BLFnH)

103 77 Bernie calls for the electoral college to be abolished.

Once again, demonstrating his brave and original thinking. What a leader!

What a schmuck. My brother voted for him in 2016. He said it was best he'd ever felt about voting. I said, "have you ever listened to him? He's schmuck." End of conversation.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 21, 2019 01:07 PM (H8QX8)

104

David Atkins, who is the regional director of the California Democrat Party, tore into "rural white Americans" in a Twitter rant.

"You know who is not grateful enough? Rural white Americans," he said. "They are heavily subsidized, drowning in federal largesse, blessed with political affirmative action & overrepresentation, have all their bills paid by cities and blue states, but they whine and yell constantly."

https://tinyurl.com/y2olh29e

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (aKsyK)

105 Irish guy just won the British Open played in Ireland (Northern) . First time in 68 years that British Open played in Ireland. Wonder why? /s

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (2DOZq)

106 I think if you get control of who's here, a lot falls into place.

A big reason why CA is in the shape it's in is because of who their residents are.


Semi OT: we just this morning saw our first tent in our upscale coastal community. It begins. Grrrrr.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (YqDXo)

107 blessed with political affirmative action

WTF?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (YqDXo)

108 Medicare would maintain itself if they took the gathered funds out of the general fund and put the monies collected into its own untouchable account.

It's sustainability projects much further into the future.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:09 PM (x3tTl)

109 Burning time exchange rate:

BB/Pellet Penny
00 Buck Nickle
.22 Dime
9mm/38 Quarter
45acp/357/.223 2Bits
30-06/.308 Dollar

Bitcoin, you get shot for being a fool

Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2019 01:09 PM (yYouH)

110 I mean really - does the rest of the country worry about non essential washington dc?

Posted by: Socialist Man at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (7NSrk)



Ummmmmmm......Nope.



Lay all their asses off permanently.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 01:02 PM (Z+IKu)


THIS!!!! I know someone who works for a federal agency. He makes a yuge salary. He "works from home" every Monday and Friday. And working from home means taking his kids to movies, going out to eat and generally fucking around. He's job is a total waste of taxpayer money and I'm sure there are thousands just like that.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:09 PM (6ooku)

111 We're living on borrowed money and borrowed time.


Now, it's just a race between financial collapse and cultural collapse. At this point, I'm betting con cultural collapse to win, so that will solve the debt problem.


You're welcome.



Posted by: McLurkerson at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (7UCSd)

112 "You know who is not grateful enough? Rural white Americans," he said. "They are heavily subsidized, drowning in federal largesse, blessed with political affirmative action & overrepresentation, have all their bills paid by cities and blue states, but they whine and yell constantly."

-
Hey! At least we're house broken!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (+y/Ru)

113 >>Semi OT: we just this morning saw our first tent in our upscale coastal community.


Unless it is made of Canvas, it'll go up fast.

Just a hint of flame and...

Poof!

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (yE4ie)

114 Lay all their asses off permanently.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 01:02 PM (Z+IKu)

I had hopes Trump would prove to be that kind of radical reformist. My naivete.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (H8QX8)

115 electoral college:

If OH passes the referendum this fall on "the national vote compact," & it might do so if the turnout is low enough, we will then be one micrometer away from abolishing the electoral college.

The left has shown real genius in flying this below the radar.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 01:11 PM (Cssks)

116 I don't understand the objection to conditioning voting on paying taxes (or having served in the military). If someone doesn't pay taxes, and hasn't served in the military, why should he have any say in our taxes are spent, or how the military is deployed?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:11 PM (YqDXo)

117 Rural white Americans put food on that douchebags table. But like all urban retards they think food just magically appears in the grocery stores.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:12 PM (2DOZq)

118 Semi OT: we just this morning saw our first tent in our upscale coastal community. It begins. Grrrrr.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (YqDXo)

Yup. I hear them things sprout like mushrooms after a rainstorm.

Then comes the heartbreak of drum circles.

Gonna need some Slayer, you guys.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 01:12 PM (aurSP)

119
Here's my hope-

That Trump says..

"Well, I'm all for spending this money, but we have to be responsible.

So, I want a 10% cut in budgets plus 10% personnel cut across all federal departments effective immediately.

To make it fair, we'll begin with the most junior personnel.

Oh, and I get my wall."

That would be stab at fiscal responsibility and I think most people would go along with that.

Plus...BONUS! The 10% personnel cut of the most junior would almost certainly scoop most, if not all, of the Obama personnel out of the gov't.

Win win win.


But, I'm afraid, it's all just a beautiful dream.

A beautiful, beautiful dream.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 01:12 PM (2EMYr)

120 >>I don't understand the objection to conditioning voting on paying taxes (or having served in the military). If someone doesn't pay taxes, and hasn't served in the military, why should he have any say in our taxes are spent, or how the military is deployed?


You should only get the representation you pay for.

Pay Property Taxes - You get to Vote Local.
Pay Income Tax to the State - You get to Vote at the State level.
Pay Income Tax to the Feds - You get to Vote in the Federal Elections.


No Representation Without Taxation!

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:13 PM (yE4ie)

121 "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pound ought and six, result misery."

~Charles DIckens

Can I get my economics degree now?

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:13 PM (sdi6R)

122 I don't understand the objection to conditioning voting on paying taxes (or having served in the military). If someone doesn't pay taxes, and hasn't served in the military, why should he have any say in our taxes are spent, or how the military is deployed?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:11 PM (YqDXo)

I agree. But we, the West, are so lost to this sort of severe common sense, there's no way.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 21, 2019 01:13 PM (H8QX8)

123 No Military exemptions, though.

You people trust the military too much.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:14 PM (yE4ie)

124 As self-evidently stupid as that is, it's an actual economic theory being taken seriously by actual economists. They've even given a a seriously Marxist sounding name: "Modern Monetary Theory." NPR has reported on it a couple of times. Apparently, the idea is that as long as the economy as a whole is growing and inflation is not too high, you can kick the can indefinitely. AFAIK, the theory doesn't say what happens if those conditions change.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (E94D/)


The economy does an occasional oopsie, and when it does, some of the haves will collapse entirely, many will see a noticeable drop in their overall wealth profile, and the rest will go on just as before, with at most a temporary inconvenience.

The have-nots, well, some of them will die miserable horrible deaths, and many of them will suffer catastrophic drops in their overall wealth and well-being, and some may join us in the sky chambers above, having learned how to game the system.

So it all works out.

When you die, you will be mourned by some, your death will be a welcome relief to others, and the vast majority of the world will go on as if nothing of any significance happened. Because it didn't.

This is the pervasive mindset of the rich and powerful who make most of the decisions as to which levers get pushed and pulled.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:15 PM (cY3LT)

125 Reason #342 Voting is not going to solve this problem.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 01:15 PM (EZebt)

126 A preponderance of people get their money from the government, be it entitlements, financial assistance, direct government employment, government contracting or providing services that are paid for by the government.

This is why the system can and never will work at this point,

I can't pay a government worker $100, tax back $30 of it and continue to pay the $100 again.

The ratio is now, and has been for a while, such that the earnings of the private sector are no longer sufficient to bridge the gap to overcome this.

In my estimation, you need 75% of the country operating in a private economy free from government compensation in order to tax creates wealth enough to fund the other 25% employed in the public sector.

This will never happen. Ever.

So the question becomes: Is there ever a maximum borrowing limit for the federal government?

That answer is no.

So then the next question is: What happens when the balance sheets are such that the rules of accounting no longer apply?

I don't know, but I suspect it will be chaotic when the illusion of fiat currency as having any intrinsic value is broken.

I think many states are already banking on that outcome. States with huge debt loads are purchasing infrastructure at incredible levels ahead of an impending dollar crash, at which point their debt will mean nothing, but the infrastructure acquisition will already be realized.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 01:16 PM (48XXE)

127 I do think people like Ron Paul were unfairly dismissed by conservatives when he would talk about reforming the Federal Reserve.

A lot of our spending problems is a FED that basically hands out the credit cards. if you could put the brakes there, a lot would be fixes.

Problem is, people don't that to happen on both sides of the aisle and it probably would have some major short term pain economically.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:16 PM (UfkIY)

128 David Atkins, who is the regional director of the
California Democrat Party, tore into "rural white Americans" in a
Twitter rant.



"You know who is not grateful enough? Rural white Americans," he
said. "They are heavily subsidized, drowning in federal largesse,
blessed with political affirmative action overrepresentation, have
all their bills paid by cities and blue states, but they whine and yell
constantly."



https://tinyurl.com/y2olh29e

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (aKsyK)


The left keeps trotting out that bullshit and that red states get the most welfare. Because the south and west sides of Chicago are so self-sufficient.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:17 PM (6ooku)

129 99 Man, 65, made fake bomb threat to get date with flight attendant
The Serbian man, who has not been named, wanted to keep the woman in the country longer after she refused a date with him.

. . . .

All 130 passengers and five crew members had to leave the aircraft while it was searched by a special police squad and sniffer dogs.

https://bit.ly/2M5Ak4z

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)


I bet that impressed the hell out of her.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (sdi6R)

130 I think if you get control of who's here, a lot falls into place.

A big reason why CA is in the shape it's in is because of who their residents are.

If the US never had an illegal immigration problem, my guess is most of these fiscal issues would be much less just because of the voter base.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (UfkIY)

You mean like the US did prior to the 21st century? Oh, wait, we didn't do that when we had an insignificant illegal immigration problem, did we?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (m79Dg)

131 112 "You know who is not grateful enough? Rural white Americans," he said. "They are heavily subsidized, drowning in federal largesse, blessed with political affirmative action & overrepresentation, have all their bills paid by cities and blue states, but they whine and yell constantly."


Big Cities make their money cataloging, facilitating, and allocating the transfer of goods produced elsewhere. Big cities secondary income is from the federal government.

More and more Big Cities primary functions are being moved away from city confines to more business and family friendly suburban areas.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (x3tTl)

132 The paying taxes as a requirement is too convoluted to do that now. Keeping track who qualifies each year would be too burdensome. I would be more for a system of those that were banned from voting based on the government benefits they were receiving. But that definitely would never happen.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (2DOZq)

133 >>California Democrat Party, tore into "rural white Americans" in a
Twitter rant.



California is a cancer.

It should be excised and drowned in the Pacific.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:19 PM (yE4ie)

134 The left keeps trotting out that bullshit and that red states get the most welfare. Because the south and west sides of Chicago are so self-sufficient.
Posted by: TheQuietMan

____________

And take a wild guess what demographics in the Red States get the most subsidies? The southern red states have a very high population of black voters that are anything but Republican.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:19 PM (UfkIY)

135 >> The paying taxes as a requirement is too convoluted to do that now. Keeping track who qualifies each year would be too burdensome.



Nah - Just go Paper with a Vote Coupon attached.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:20 PM (yE4ie)

136 126 A preponderance of people get their money from the government, be it entitlements, financial assistance, direct government employment, government contracting or providing services that are paid for by the government.


This is correct. It explains the current voting patterns of the "collar counties" of southeastern PA, who have very rapidly turned purple/blue from solid red, and who are very happy with RINO (or just Dem) governance all of a sudden. Our high standard of living is either partly or entirely dependent on govt - even in the "private sectors" of banking, credit, and pharma.

Not sure if its possible, but the only potential fix is to grow the private sector enough. It's a tough battle.

I'm still slightly hopeful however. If not, yeah, it's gonna collapse.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 21, 2019 01:20 PM (Rarvo)

137 Have a little sympathy for the commies. They have done a lot to destroy this country and it will not go down. Cloward and Piven stab it with their steely knives but they just can't kill the beast.
For the commies the free market system is one huge macroaggression. Their own countries do not qualify as safe spaces. Sucks to be them.

Posted by: Random Poster at July 21, 2019 01:20 PM (zeg38)

138 We must know different bankers. The ones I know would loan money to Satan if they thought the loan would perform. It's not as though if they loan money in the ghetto that they have to marry their daughters off there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:06 PM (YqDXo)


Most of the bankers I've encountered are coiffed middle aged women who don't seem to notice anything about me and my person, other than my credit score.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:21 PM (cY3LT)

139 You mean like the US did prior to the 21st century? Oh, wait, we didn't do that when we had an insignificant illegal immigration problem, did we?
Posted by: Anonymous White Male

_________________________

You don't think California has changed dramatically since the era when a Ronald Reagan could be Governor?

I have family in CA and the state went from something of a paradise with its only real problem being traffic to now being completely gone and might as well be its own 3rd world country.

illegals are about 90% to blame for it.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:22 PM (UfkIY)

140 I don't understand the objection to conditioning voting on paying taxes
A review of history will reflect that it puts power in only the wealthy. Yes, the pendulum has swung way to far the other way in putting power in those that receive govt largess, but no reason to swing power all the way back to Soros and Zuckerberg fiats.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:22 PM (r+sAi)

141 California Democrat Party, tore into "rural white Americans" in a
Twitter rant.



California is a cancer.

It should be excised and drowned in the Pacific.
Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:19 PM (yE4ie)


I'm not sure the Pacific is capable of handling the job. Can we go in with blow torches and machetes?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:23 PM (cY3LT)

142 97% of climate scientists agree that red states get all the money.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 01:23 PM (oVJmc)

143 the budget's exploding again, newly
discussed here as yearly and duly.
it's really too late,
so i'd rather debate
who's sexier -hedy or julie?


Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 01:24 PM (Pg+x7)

144

We (wife and I) won our personal war on poverty some time ago.

We did it by practicing all the ways to save money possible.

We aren't rich, just comfortable--or so our financial advisor tells us. At least we won't be waiting by the mailbox for the SS check.

All this was done (from MY standpoint , not wife's) with out factoring SS into retirement. Basically, I don't need it.

I still receive it, since I was enrolled by my parents long before I ever worked. I mean to take it until I reach my total contribution into the fund. Sort of a tax rebate if you will.

It'll become a donation after that, to what is undecided right now.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:24 PM (KATBx)

145 every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.

Don't you love one way contracts where you are beholden to every jot and tittle in the contract, have no say, no remediation other than the one they select, and they can change the contract at any time for any reason.


In this case, the other party can confiscate all of your goods and kill you in your own home if you don't comply.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:25 PM (lD3vL)

146 You're never going to pass anything regarding voting eligibility and taxes. You would have retirees on social security completely locked out of voting, and that's actually a huge swath of the Republican vote.

Far easier to just pass some reforms, and much of this is actually popular but elected Republicans are spineless.

Remember how everybody was afraid to touch welfare reform and the when someone finally had the balls to say we should end it, even Democrats were scrambling to say they also wanted to end it?

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (UfkIY)

147 Nah - Just go Paper with a Vote Coupon attached.
Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:20 PM (yE4ie)

===

When I really began to lose faith in the ballot: Paper Ballots in the bay

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (EZebt)

148 You must answer 5 random simple civic questions in the voting booth or your vote doesn't count.


Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (2DOZq)

149 Most of the bankers I've encountered are coiffed middle aged women who don't seem to notice anything about me and my person, other than my credit score.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:21 PM (cY3LT)


There is no personal relationship with a bank anymore. You are account # xxx, they look at your record with them, your credit rating, your income, and your debt.

That's what they base their *decision on.


*pending federal affirmative action regulation

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (x3tTl)

150 All 130 passengers and five crew members had to leave the aircraft while it was searched by a special police squad and sniffer dogs.

https://bit.ly/2M5Ak4z

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)

I bet that impressed the hell out of her.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (sdi6R)


It should. Any woman who can't appreciate that level of dedication to her must be a rug muncher.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:27 PM (cY3LT)

151 Horowitz explained that the current spending levels are the result of the budget deals that congressional Republicans cut during the last session of Congress...

---

"Budget deals"

Yawn.

We haven't had a budget since 1997. We're riding this train to the end of the line and busting through it full speed ahead.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:27 PM (+0ddm)

152 I have to wonder, don't the DC crowd know that sooner or later they won't have chairs when the music stops? That sooner or later there will be a crop that kicks the can and has it bounce back in their face? Do they just assume it won't be them? Or do they just all scoot up to Canada or the UK or NZ or whatever as it all burns down?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, something something punk at July 21, 2019 01:29 PM (lLeln)

153 Every day the rhetoric from Leftists makes me more certain I'd be a candidate for happy camp when they come into power.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 01:29 PM (BbGew)

154 You don't think California has changed dramatically since the era when a Ronald Reagan could be Governor?

I have family in CA and the state went from something of a paradise with its only real problem being traffic to now being completely gone and might as well be its own 3rd world country.

illegals are about 90% to blame for it.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:22 PM (UfkIY)

No, the illegals are not the cause. They are just a symptom. You're ignoring the camel's nose under the tent and focusing on the camel being fully in the tent.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (m79Dg)

155 Unless it is made of Canvas, it'll go up fast.

Just a hint of flame and...

Poof!
Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (yE4ie)


Don't tempt me.

I saw a recent interview of a vagrant in LA who was a veteran. So ... sympathetic, right? But he frankly said he'd rather live on the streets and do drugs than straighten up and fly right.

So military service is one transaction, but it does not offset this second transaction, IMO.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (YqDXo)

156 148 You must answer 5 random simple civic questions in the voting booth or your vote doesn't count.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (2DOZq)


"Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (sdi6R)

157 Biden: "This is not a generation of socialists." Blue-on-Blue just went to eleventy.
Y'know what I miss? I haven't heard peep from Brennan, Clapper, or Comey for weeks. Whatsup with that?

Posted by: mrp at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (Pqytn)

158 And take a wild guess what demographics in the Red States get the most subsidies? The southern red states have a very high population of black voters that are anything but Republican.

The South is also made up of a large number of retirees who prefer the warmer year round weather and don't want the excessive tax burden of the Blue States.

Part of the lie w/r/t the recipients of "government money" is that the money is in the form of SS and Medicare.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (lD3vL)

159 I have to wonder, don't the DC crowd know that sooner or later they won't have chairs when the music stops? That sooner or later there will be a crop that kicks the can and has it bounce back in their face? Do they just assume it won't be them? Or do they just all scoot up to Canada or the UK or NZ or whatever as it all burns down?


Gather rosebuds while ye may.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (oVJmc)

160 So military service is one transaction, but it does not offset this second transaction, IMO.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (YqDXo)

Unfortunately that's the profile of the patients you see over burden the VA.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (2DOZq)

161 I do think people like Ron Paul were unfairly dismissed by conservatives when he would talk about reforming the Federal Reserve.

A lot of our spending problems is a FED that basically hands out the credit cards. if you could put the brakes there, a lot would be fixes.

Problem is, people don't that to happen on both sides of the aisle and it probably would have some major short term pain economically.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:16 PM (UfkIY)


Ron Paul was/is dismissed because he's a goof, bordering on being psychotic.

I'm not sure I ever saw or heard anyone say he was wrong about everything. The problem is, you can't have part of Ron Paul. You only ever get all of Ron Paul, so on balance, we're better off without any of Ron Paul.

Same with the Libertarian Party.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (cY3LT)

162 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

... and certain members of Congress..

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (lD3vL)

163 >>Don't tempt me.


"Pro Tip : Hey Kid - You want some Fireworks?"

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (yE4ie)

164 No, the illegals are not the cause. They are just a symptom. You're ignoring the camel's nose under the tent and focusing on the camel being fully in the tent.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (m79Dg)


Exactly right. The cause is the Great Liberal Infestation that began after the ill-named "summer of love." The infestation really kicked into high gear in the 70s, when the state first elected Jerry Brown, and went downhill from there.

It used to be commonplace for people to ask others where they were from, and when they'd moved here. That is where the problem came from.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (YqDXo)

165 47 23 P.S. I think people will wake up when Social Security benefits start being cut. And that's no surprise: every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.

Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)

From what I've read, Social Security is fixable (raising the retirement age, means testing, etc.), but Medicare isn't. Medicare is unsustainable as it is today; "Medicare For All" would probably require a Third World standard of health care.

Posted by: rickl

It all depends how many doctors will be willing to deliver health care for almost no money.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (/Fmtj)

166 We (wife and I) won our personal war on poverty some time ago.

We did it by practicing all the ways to save money possible.

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We've done the same. It's boring but effective. No credit cards, cook meals at home, etc.

One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

I understand it, but that's a horrible direction for society to have moved in.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)

167 "Name the three branches of government"
Oak, Maple and Fern!

Posted by: AOC at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (r+sAi)

168 I'd be happy if it twern't 5,000 degrees outside.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (MVjcR)

169 Unfortunately that's the profile of the patients you see over burden the VA.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (2DOZq)


I'm not surprised. That's why I rage-stroke when those libertarian idiots want to legalize drugs. Does Singapore have a drug problem? A vagrancy problem? A crime problem? No.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (YqDXo)

170 Meanwhile all my "Hate Has No Home Here" neighbors don't seem to see a connection between "rising school enrollment" de facto open borders and taxes.

And, at the same time the SALT deduction max was lowered to well below our current tax rate, my magnanimous neighbors overwhelmingly voted for a new 60M local bond issue for school taxes. Yes, that's 60 million dollars for "improvements" to various "aging infrastructure" yada yada yada.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (SqopC)

171 I've given up worrying about the debt - no one will ever do anything about it, and yeah, it's going to cause a huge crisis and collapse of some sectors when it comes. So plan on it, get ready for it. The only real question is who is going to be in positions of power, ready and waiting to take advantage of the crisis when it happens.

Not joking, for example that could be a perfect opportunity to strip all of the universities of their endowments, when it happens. A lot of big cities like Chicago will go bankrupt, it'll be a good time to put them under martial law as well. So, give up trying to fight it, accept it and get ready for it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:35 PM (V2Yro)

172
"Name the three branches of government"
Oak, Maple and Fern!
Posted by: AOC


And the trees were all made equal by hatchet, ax and saw.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 01:35 PM (aKsyK)

173 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

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50? You're such an optimist.

It's no-joke 75%.

https://tinyurl.com/y5fe436a

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (+0ddm)

174 One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)


No, you don't get a worse deal. You get a higher up-front price, but overall, including interest, you get a much better deal.

I'm old enough to remember when automobile loans were for three years. It seems so long ago.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (YqDXo)

175 "Name the three branches of government"

Graft
Racial feelgoodz
Free shit

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (SqopC)

176 Social Security taken out of the general fund (read: petty cash drawer) and placed in its own account would be extended many more years.

But that fix is too simple.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (x3tTl)

177 I've been shying away from investing in a couple of mutual funds, because I'm expecting the market to tank and wipe everything out.

However, another part of me says go for it, because the next crash will probably take out everything, banks, bonds, etc., so, might as well see if I can make a few bucks before the inevitable.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (WEBkv)

178 If trump signs it, will he still be your huckleberry?

Posted by: macleod at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (SOVvt)

179 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

Easy: masculine, feminine, and neuter.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (YqDXo)

180 Alternatively, I'd also be happy if Kate Upton were here fanning me and feeding me grapes.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (MVjcR)

181 Far easier to just pass some reforms, and much of this is actually popular but elected Republicans are spineless.


One easy reform would be to require for at least one year that every single entitlement check is picked up in person by the designated recipient, along with utility bills and grocery receipts.

That would weed out all of the dead, the pets, illegals, multiple enrollments, the financially capable, Disney characters and whoever else is making claims and receiving public money.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:37 PM (lD3vL)

182 Most of the bankers I've encountered are coiffed middle aged women who don't seem to notice anything about me and my person, other than my credit score.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:21 PM (cY3LT)


There is no personal relationship with a bank anymore. You are account # xxx, they look at your record with them, your credit rating, your income, and your debt.

That's what they base their *decision on.

*pending federal affirmative action regulation
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (x3tTl)


I went into the bank last week, something I rarely do anymore. This woman had so much cake on her face, it was sorta symbolic. The artificial layer keeping her from showing herself...

We completed our interaction, she was nice, I was nice, but there wasn't anything real about the experience, from one human being to another.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:37 PM (cY3LT)

183 Meanwhile all my "Hate Has No Home Here" neighbors
don't seem to see a connection between "rising school enrollment" de
facto open borders and taxes.



And, at the same time the SALT deduction max was lowered to well
below our current tax rate, my magnanimous neighbors overwhelmingly
voted for a new 60M local bond issue for school taxes. Yes, that's 60
million dollars for "improvements" to various "aging infrastructure"
yada yada yada.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (SqopC)


It's really amazing how stupid people are when it comes to their taxes. I try to explain to people at work about the massive waste of our taxes (our money) and the idiot response of "Well they need it for...." They need to waste our money?!?!?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:37 PM (6ooku)

184 What I expect will happen with SS is that it will become asset based. You own a house? sorry too rich.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (r+sAi)

185 173 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

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50? You're such an optimist.

It's no-joke 75%.

https://tinyurl.com/y5fe436a

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (+0ddm)


That's why I'm skeptical about the Flynn effect, the gradual rise in IQ scores over time. I sure as hell don't see any evidence of it. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (YqDXo)

186 @ 168

Weasel, write those words down, so you can refer to them come January.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (KATBx)

187 However, another part of me says go for it, because the next crash will probably take out everything, banks, bonds, etc., so, might as well see if I can make a few bucks before the inevitable.

Plus all of your prepper supplies and "surplus" will be collected and redistributed.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (lD3vL)

188 It's really amazing how stupid people are when it comes to their taxes. I try to explain to people at work about the massive waste of our taxes (our money) and the idiot response of "Well they need it for...." They need to waste our money?!?!?

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But it's not taxes. It's a bond.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (v4v6L)

189 Pay Income Tax to the State - You get to Vote at the State level.

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What if the state has no income tax?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (FiUMj)

190

Weasel, write those words down, so you can refer to them come January.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (KATBx)
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Heal yes! I'll be whining about short days, ice and cold!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (MVjcR)

191 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.
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Easy: masculine, feminine, and neuter.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (YqDXo)


I was gonna guess Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (cY3LT)

192 One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

I understand it, but that's a horrible direction for society to have moved in.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)
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No house and no car payments here at Che Blake.

It's mind blowing how much more money one has when one doesn't have those payments.

Even though our cars are worn and all, I just cannot bring myself to go buy a new car. Well, in our case, a used late model car.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (WEBkv)

193 Heal = Hell

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (MVjcR)

194 Romans were in a box because they still thought "money" had to be a physical thing like gold or silver. They didn't realize it could just be a promise by somebody to maybe do something or not sometime, maybe. One you understand "Money" in today's economy, you will understand "debt."

They're both like the spoon in the Matrix. You look at it, you hold it, you think it's real.

But there is no spoon. Understand that and you can do anything.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (V2Yro)

195 Been sharpening drill bits in basement, just took a index out to my truck, has to be 20 degrees temperature difference.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (BbGew)

196 One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

I understand it, but that's a horrible direction for society to have moved in.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)


Buy it on finance then pay it off in three months.
Making sure the terms have no penalty for early pay off.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (x3tTl)

197 The only future we have for this nation is a hot economy and budget cuts. They don't have to be deep, but they hvae to be real. Instead, congress tries to spend more and more and more every year at an almost exponential rate.

Its a war between congress and the president, and Trump keeps capitulating. He has GOT to draw the line here and say "no further". He must.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (39g3+)

198 >>What if the state has no income tax?


They'll figure it out.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (yE4ie)

199 184 What I expect will happen with SS is that it will become asset based. You own a house? sorry too rich.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (r+sAi)


Notice Democrats mumbling about taxing assets instead of income. They're clearly thinking in that direction.

It's a win-win-win for them. They get their snouts further in the trough, they can use the proceeds to buy votes (and pocket some for shipping, handling, and restocking costs), AND they hose the bourgeoisie, as commanded by St. Karl of Trier.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (YqDXo)

200 And, at the same time the SALT deduction max was lowered to well
below our current tax rate, my magnanimous neighbors overwhelmingly
voted for a new 60M local bond issue for school taxes. Yes, that's 60
million dollars for "improvements" to various "aging infrastructure"
yada yada yada.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (SqopC)

___

Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (FiUMj)

201 The GOP elites are bear much responsibility for our problems. They helped crush the Tea Party and collaborated with the Democrats. Paul Ryan probably retired due to the fear people were about to find out all that he had done.

Posted by: Random Poster at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (zeg38)

202 I think my bank is the exception since it's a family owned Texas Bank.

Frost Bank still tries to make sure you're not just an account number. At least in my experience. I could very well be the exception.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (2DOZq)

203 https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/mobile/
Less than 15 minutes until the Lunar module leaves Tranquility base.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (BbGew)

204
Democrat presidential candidate Bernie Sanders announced this weekend he will cut staffers' hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hourminimum wage,prompting mockery from critics who say the move is more evidence that Sanders' plan to raise the national minimum wage is hypocritical and would only lead to less work and more unemployment.





Economics. How do it work, Comrade Bernie?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (6ooku)

205 177 I've been shying away from investing in a couple of mutual funds, because I'm expecting the market to tank and wipe everything out.

However, another part of me says go for it, because the next crash will probably take out everything, banks, bonds, etc., so, might as well see if I can make a few bucks before the inevitable.
Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (WEBkv)

Actually the next crash will be met by a frantic attempt at inflating everything, so the sign of the next crash will be when the DJIA hits 50,000, then 100,000, then 500,000, in quick order. And then everyone will have millions of nothings in their bank accounts.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (V2Yro)

206 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.
----------
Easy: masculine, feminine, and neuter.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (YqDXo)


I was gonna guess Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria.



Moe, Larry and Curly.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 01:42 PM (oVJmc)

207 196 One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

I understand it, but that's a horrible direction for society to have moved in.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)


_____

Car ads don't even have prices anymore, only monthly payments are advertized.

But the way to work the system is take the 144 month loan, get the incentives that come with it, make sure there is no prepayment penalty and pay it off the next day.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:42 PM (FiUMj)

208 >>Heal = Hell


It's the Burn that lets you know it's working.

Posted by: Hot Iron at July 21, 2019 01:42 PM (yE4ie)

209 175 "Name the three branches of government"

Graft
Racial feelgoodz
Free shit

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (SqopC)


I think we have a winner.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:42 PM (sdi6R)

210
Actually the next crash will be met by a frantic attempt at inflating everything, so the sign of the next crash will be when the DJIA hits 50,000, then 100,000, then 500,000, in quick order. And then everyone will have millions of nothings in their bank accounts.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (V2Yro)
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In many ways, this is the story of the Obama and Bush administration.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (WEBkv)

211 Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a
vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between
county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR
SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (FiUMj)



The bloated salaries, benefits and pensions are for the children.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (6ooku)

212 Notice Democrats mumbling about taxing assets instead of income. They're clearly thinking in that direction.

What the hell do you think a property tax is?

Its a wealth tax - on hypothetical wealth. (Cuz you really don't know what it is worth until you sell it).

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (lD3vL)

213 Even though our cars are worn and all, I just cannot bring myself to go buy a new car. Well, in our case, a used late model car.
Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (WEBkv)


I've owned precisely one new car in my life. Since then we've only bought used cars. What's the point of a new car, when you spend half the time sitting in traffic on the freeway? A Trabant would do perfectly well. Let some other sucker take the depreciation hit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (YqDXo)

214 "i buy gold from rowland capital"

william devane

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (Pg+x7)

215 No, you don't get a worse deal. You get a higher up-front price, but overall, including interest, you get a much better deal.

--

Granted that over the life of the loan it can be, but I just mean an outright price. It's a worse deal initially because there are promotions based on the financing. I've seen as much as $1500 off.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (+0ddm)

216 I don't buy new cars, either, so this is solely academic.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:44 PM (+0ddm)

217 rosland not rowland. i swear i'm going to shoot splchk.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 01:44 PM (Pg+x7)

218 "Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time."

And the biggest reason is that the schools have all the troops on the ground.

Our local Board of Ed routinely violates the spirit, if not the letter of the law prohibiting public funds for electioneering, by sending out all kinds of blast emails to every parent in the District about how necessary the new budget is. That, and the teachers all vote at 105% participation in favor of the budget in generally low turnout elections.

If only there were some kind of political organization, call it a "party" that would take the cause of taxpayers and maybe even organize some counter messaging and a voter turnout campaign.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:44 PM (SqopC)

219 "Name the three branches of government"

Regulatory,
Hawaiian Judge,
George Soros

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:44 PM (lD3vL)

220 197 The only future we have for this nation is a hot economy and budget cuts. They don't have to be deep, but they hvae to be real. Instead, congress tries to spend more and more and more every year at an almost exponential rate.

Its a war between congress and the president, and Trump keeps capitulating. He has GOT to draw the line here and say "no further". He must.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (39g3+)

As long as we have a political situation that is balanced on a 50/50 knifes edge, the one most willing to spend public money in susceptible areas wins. Trump has to spend like a drunken sailor to stay in office.

Cutting budgets is the luxury of a government with 75% support or better. Until we achieve that, we cannot do it.

and if we cannot ever do it, well chalk that up to one of the prime reasons that Democracy has a lot of things in its favor, but it is not a sustainable form of government over the long run.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (V2Yro)

221 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)

222 "Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time."

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Just wait until you get the lottery to pay for it, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:46 PM (+0ddm)

223 Various lenders compete for car loans so the lenders offer incentives to get the business. $1500 to $3000 is the typical incentive. So buying with cash is a bad move since nobody will offer incentives to take your cash. It makes sense from that standpoint.

The dealers also get a kickback from the financing companies so they hate cash buyers.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:46 PM (FiUMj)

224 My favorite appliance cars are $10-$15K Japanese with 50K miles or so.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (+0ddm)

225 When the dollar collapses, and it will, I think the union breaks up. It might be a good thing. Until the people forget the lessons of history once again.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (RM0Vx)

226 221 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)
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Heck, I work for the local school system and I vote against every single one of those bonds, even though it might cost me my job.

The bonds still sail through with flying colors, which just blows my mind. And it's not like this area doesn't have some economic issues, due to the city being in CA.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (WEBkv)

227 Granted that over the life of the loan it can be, but I just mean an outright price. It's a worse deal initially because there are promotions based on the financing. I've seen as much as $1500 off.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (+0ddm)


Fair enough. I love the promotions that say "$1500 cash back." Where do the rubes think that that $1500 comes from? GM's stash?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (YqDXo)

228 Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (FiUMj)


Same here, they always pass, and then immediately we start seeing new buildings being thrown up, fancier football stadium, nicer cars on the teacher's lot, and more and more and more "administrators" in the business of administratin' the skrewel system on six figger salaries.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (cY3LT)

229 Just wait until you get the lottery to pay for it, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:46 PM (+0ddm)

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Oh we have that too. And also some additional surtax on license plates. But it's never fucking enough.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (FiUMj)

230 I've owned precisely one new car in my life. Since then we've only bought used cars.

I went with two new cars, after inheriting two well used ones. My last vehicle purchase was in 1995.

As long as I can find parts.
Also telecommuting and two wheeled transport go a long way. I'm down to two tanks of fuel a year. (yet another reason I hate ethanol)

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (lD3vL)

231 I dunno. President Trump has probably decided that Western finance is a Ponzi scheme holding up unsustainable debts that no nation is interested in paying back. He is probably correct.

If you see a war coming, the correct option is to max out your leverage early and use the benefits to get ready for the worst. If Trump wins, he can inform the useless financiers that tried to act against America that they are being dispossessed. If he loses, he will be too dead to care.

Posted by: trev006 at July 21, 2019 01:48 PM (o5jh5)

232 "Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time."


"It's for the children!"

In American Republic 2.0, I propose that anyone bleating those words be immediately dragged outside and shot.

Anyone second that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:49 PM (YqDXo)

233 "Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time."

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Just wait until you get the lottery to pay for it, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles


In the local cage liner this am, editorial from the "editor" of the paper. They are worried the school mill levy won't pass because there is a road mill levy on the ballot.


On a happy note, the Air Show is next weekend, the Blue Angels will be here and I can see most of it from the back patio.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (BLFnH)

234 Nothing anyone can do about it right now. Our best course of action is to thrive despite it.

On the bright side, people have been predicting the imminent debt disaster since before I could even vote. The logic behind the arguments makes sense to me, but somehow it hasn't happened yet. I

Posted by: GalosGann at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (z6Rh+)

235 Second!

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (sdi6R)

236 Anyone second that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:49 PM (YqDXo)

I'd like to be on the enforcement committee. Extend the mandate to people who drop connection on Xbox Live when they are losing.

Posted by: trev006 at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (o5jh5)

237 Third.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (nDe2U)

238 Oh we have that too. And also some additional surtax on license plates. But it's never fucking enough.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (FiUMj)


Here in CA we have sky-high gasoline taxes, supposedly to pay for roads. But now they're proposing toll roads, having pocketed the gasoline taxes to pay off their public sector union cronies.

I just hope we have enough lamp posts at the appropriate time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (YqDXo)

239 @228
You left out the new Diversity and Inclusion positions.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (SqopC)

240


We don't buy new cars, either. Year old is fine, that massive depreciation is over with, plus there are applicable warranties left.
I try for the single payment plan, and if you want to get to the nut cutting right away, bring cash.

Let them know it's walking right back out the door unless they REALLY want to deal.

As in any car dealing, you best be prepared as far as knowing what you want and will pay, etc.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (KATBx)

241 Jays just miss pulling a triple play on in-field bases-loaded hit! 1-0 Tigers.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 01:52 PM (Dh1wo)

242 Just wait until you get the lottery to pay for it, too.

The amount of greed and waste within the Texas Public School Cartel is amazing.

The state lottery is allegedly used for schools, one-half of the state gasoline tax is sent to the schools, the largest by over 50% portion of the property tax is funneled to the schools.

When Rick Perry's administration grew the "Rainy Day Fund" the school unions treated it as an uncashed lottery ticket and demanded that they get massive raises just because the money existed.

The pension and the school funding problem is so out of control now, if all of the schools closed forever and every teacher paid through their contract, the bond servicing and the pensions would still require another forty years of taxes at current rates to be collected.

Its a total complete Communist racket that can't even be burned down by fire.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:53 PM (lD3vL)

243 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:54 PM (FiUMj)

244 " "Modern Monetary Theory." NPR has reported on it a
couple of times. Apparently, the idea is that as long as the economy
as a whole is growing and inflation is not too high, you can kick the
can indefinitely. AFAIK, the theory doesn't say what happens if those
conditions change."Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg


also heard it called "Cold Fusion" ... and yeah, it is actually gaining a little traction in discussions, I guess because there is no other political choice available.


But it is better to just print the money out of thin air (Quantitative Easing) than have to sell bonds and pay interest. The problem is there is no discipline imposed ... but we have no discipline in any case, so at least quit paying the interest.


My brainstorm is a one time QE to pay current debt (call it $25T) and link that with a balanced budget amendment. That would force the necessary cuts (and other hard choices, like build the wall) to the rest of the $200T unfunded liabilities, but as Barry Obama did, delay the pain for a couple years, so those that only care about the next election can vote for it.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 21, 2019 01:54 PM (Cus5s)

245 Public employee unions are a criminal enterprise. Few believe how much money is wasted on them.

Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 01:55 PM (RuIsu)

246 Here in CA we have sky-high gasoline taxes, supposedly to pay for roads. But now they're proposing toll roads, having pocketed the gasoline taxes to pay off their public sector union cronies.

I just hope we have enough lamp posts at the appropriate time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (YqDXo)

I drove to LAX yesterday and some stretches of the 405 are just horrible - pot holes, uneven surfaces..pretty pathetic.

Posted by: IC at July 21, 2019 01:56 PM (fiC74)

247 Oops. 1-1

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 01:56 PM (Dh1wo)

248 It all depends how many doctors will be willing to deliver health care for almost no money.



Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (/Fmtj)

+++This is what kills me - the Dem candidates all raise their hands, generously offering free health care to the illegal migrants. No regard whatsoever for the doctors/health staff who have to attend to their needs, without anyway near adequate recompense, no regard whatsoever for the taxpayer who has to subsidize the needy invaders. Just come on in!

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 01:56 PM (9+jnX)

249 "It's for the children!"



In American Republic 2.0, I propose that anyone bleating those words be immediately dragged outside and shot.



Anyone second that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:49 PM (YqDXo)


Second!

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (sdi6R)

Third.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (nDe2U)

Motion passed. Next order of business get rid of government pensions.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:57 PM (6ooku)

250 +++This is what kills me - the Dem candidates all raise their hands, generously offering free health care to the illegal migrants. No regard whatsoever for the doctors/health staff who have to attend to their needs, without anyway near adequate recompense, no regard whatsoever for the taxpayer who has to subsidize the needy invaders. Just come on in!
Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 01:56 PM (9+jnX)

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Easy. H1B doctors will gladly work for $40K a year. See England's NHS for Exhibit A.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:57 PM (FiUMj)

251 My brainstorm is a one time QE to pay current debt (call it $25T) and link that with a balanced budget amendment. That would force the necessary cuts (and other hard choices, like build the wall) to the rest of the $200T unfunded liabilities, but as Barry Obama did, delay the pain for a couple years, so those that only care about the next election can vote for it.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 21, 2019 01:54 PM (Cus5s)


Delaying the pain for a while has the virtue (?) of using the electorate's stupidity against its worse instincts to achieve a desirable end.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:57 PM (YqDXo)

252 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:54 PM (FiUMj)


I've walked in and out of many a car dealership. That very act I think is sufficient to get the message across.

I hate nickel and diming over anything. I don't care if it's a major purchase that ends up being financed, or a tomato.

Just tell me what you are selling it for. I'll buy it or I won't. If you think you pulled a fast one over on me, so be it. I don't care. I want what I want, and I'll pay what seems reasonable, or go somewhere else.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (cY3LT)

253 On a happy note, the Air Show is next weekend, the Blue Angels will be here and I can see most of it from the back patio.

In Texas, the Blue Angels will be in Fort Worth while on the same date the Thunderbirds are in Houston and Ben Had hosts the TxMoMe.

(sigh)

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (lD3vL)

254 What about funding to help gays and lesbians in the budget ???? WE does not support this bbudget until more money for gays, lesbians, and children of coler our added !!!

Posted by: Mary Cloginstein from Obamaboro, VT and Proud of it !!! at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (qM84C)

255 Easy. H1B doctors will gladly work for $40K a year. See England's NHS for Exhibit A.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:57 PM (FiUMj)


Nah. Replace Medicaid with SanteriaCare. Most of the recipients would probably be thrilled.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (YqDXo)

256 221 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)


That new athletic arena sure is pretty.
And the auditorium too.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (x3tTl)

257 In Texas, the Blue Angels will be in Fort Worth while on the same date the Thunderbirds are in Houston and Ben Had hosts the TxMoMe.

(sigh)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (lD3vL)


I keep hoping the Blue Angels will fetch up at Sacramento.

IYKWIM.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (YqDXo)

258

In American Republic 2.0, I propose that anyone bleating those words be immediately dragged outside and shot.



Anyone second that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:49 PM (YqDXo)


Second!

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (sdi6R)

Third.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (nDe2U)

Motion passed. Next order of business get rid of government pensions.

I will help donate the bullets!

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (BLFnH)

259 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.

Amen.

I did some work for one of the largest digital marketing firms for auto retailing. Learned a lot about the industry.

The sales weasels don't make that much, all of the money comes in through the finance department.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (lD3vL)

260 That new athletic arena sure is pretty.
And the auditorium too.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (x3tTl)


The library, not so much.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (YqDXo)

261 Social Security was never intended to be a full pension.
It is intended to be a foundation to build on. It was designed to pay better to lower income people. Means testing would actually be redundant.

The benefit is figured by averaging your salary for the 35 highest years of earnings after indexing for inflation.

The monthly average is broken into three parts. For the first tier you get 90 percent. For the second tier, 32 percent. For anything above that, 15 percent. Lower income gets a higher rate of return.

Posted by: Random Public Service Announcement at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (zeg38)

262 Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 01:11 PM (Cssks)
*******
It means NOTHING

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (BqBId)

263 As in any car dealing, you best be prepared as far as knowing what you want and will pay, etc.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (KATBx)
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Heh, once walked out of a dealership and apologized to the salesman for wasting his time.

Got called the next day and they met my price.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (WEBkv)

264 Didja see the latest hate crime? Black Georgia State Representative Erica Thomas was accosted by MAGA honkey when she tried to sneak through the express lane of a grocery store checkout with too many items. He told her to go back where she came from and she feared for her life. The usual media and politician suspects decried the racist hatred of Trump's America, DeCommio, Ted Lieu etc.

Except . . .

The perpetrator has come forward disputing her version and she backed down. Plus he's a Trump-hating Donk from Cuba.

Well, at least he was a white hispanic.

https://bit.ly/2YbxYYA
https://bit.ly/2JSt2yt
https://bit.ly/2Lz3lWZ
https://bit.ly/2JGCoi2

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:01 PM (+y/Ru)

265 And the school votes are always sold as "the average home owner will only pay $18 more a year". And come on, isn't $18 worth it to have good schools?

Yeah $18 more a year on top of the $21 from last year and the $35 from the year before that and the $65 from the year before that, and the $216 from the special bond of 5 years ago, etc.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:01 PM (FiUMj)

266 That new athletic arena sure is pretty.
And the auditorium too.


But your home schooled and private schooled kids can't use any of those facilities, even though the families are paying through confiscatory levels of taxation for the use of it - for the children - just not yours unless you subject them to the abuse of the government school cartels.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:02 PM (lD3vL)

267 Learned a lot about the industry.

The sales weasels don't make that much, all of the money comes in through the finance department.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21


Exactly why I financed thru my credit union with a cash down payment.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:02 PM (BLFnH)

268 And the school votes are always sold as "the average home owner will only pay $18 more a year". And come on, isn't $18 worth it to have good schools?

Yeah they also calculate those numbers from at least ten year old data that includes the property tax collected on apartments.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:03 PM (lD3vL)

269 Heh, once walked out of a dealership and apologized to the salesman for wasting his time.

Got called the next day and they met my price.
Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (WEBkv)

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#MeToo except the call came about 30 minutes later while I was having dinner with my wife. We finished our meal, drove back to the dealership and bought it. I remember it well, 1 year old car, asking price $37K. We offered $31K.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:04 PM (FiUMj)

270 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)


That new athletic arena sure is pretty.
And the auditorium too.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (x3tTl)


I think people are willfully ignorant about teacher salaries too. They still think teachers are getting paid $18K per year, and have to buy all their own crayons and glue sticks.

What utter bullshit.

And the media is already starting up on that line of tripe, the stories showing how teachers are doing all this scrambling around to secure supplies for the kiddies?

Good grief... as I am fond of saying, anyone who thinks the human condition has improved in any measurable way in the past... oh, say 6000 years, isn't really paying attention to the big picture. We're still as pig ignorant as ever.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 02:04 PM (cY3LT)

271 A observation vehicle buying is timing it, end of month seems best. Bad timing on my part was a Memorial day could have had a loaded truck for price I paid at same dealer a few months later for a lot less options.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:04 PM (BbGew)

272
The perpetrator has come forward disputing her version and she backed down. Plus he's a Trump-hating Donk from Cuba.



Well, at least he was a white hispanic.



https://bit.ly/2YbxYYA

https://bit.ly/2JSt2yt

https://bit.ly/2Lz3lWZ

https://bit.ly/2JGCoi2



Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:01 PM (+y/Ru)

+++Doesn't matter that it did not happen, AOC, Omar, Hillary, probably Warren, will run with the story anyway. Even if it has been debunked. It's their "truth".

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 02:05 PM (9+jnX)

273 252
I hate nickel and diming over anything. I don't care if it's a major purchase that ends up being financed, or a tomato.

Just tell me what you are selling it for. I'll buy it or I won't. If you think you pulled a fast one over on me, so be it. I don't care. I want what I want, and I'll pay what seems reasonable, or go somewhere else.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (cY3LT)


I always bought used cars from the previous owner. I never set foot in a car dealer. But the last time I needed a car, I had enough money in the bank to pay for it, and saw an ad for a car in my price range that was marked down 14% from the sticker price.

I remembered that a customer at work had told me that the end of a quarter was the best time to buy because the dealers want to turn over inventory. The date was June 30.

So I went in there, took a test drive, and signed the paperwork. The next day I returned with a cashier's check from my bank and drove home.

Maybe I could have gotten a better deal if I had haggled, but I think I did OK.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (sdi6R)

274 But your home schooled and private schooled kids can't use any of those facilities, even though the families are paying through confiscatory levels of taxation for the use of it - for the children - just not yours unless you subject them to the abuse of the government school cartels.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:02 PM (lD3vL)


And the codgers.
My grandfather would say , 'I paid for your parents education, they should pay for yours.'

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (x3tTl)

275 Yeah $18 more a year on top of the $21 from last year and the $35 from the year before that and the $65 from the year before that, and the $216 from the special bond of 5 years ago, etc.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker

Yep, going to hate refinancing the house. Dad had a ARM loan I didn't know about. My name is on the mortg. and it's QC'd to all three of us. Need to buy out little bro. Going to lose the property tax homestead exemption in which the taxes are cut in half.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (BLFnH)

276 221 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)


Here there was a bond issue to pay for "school building construction and maintenance," a campaign replete with photos of decaying school buildings.

It passed. Brown used the money to give the schoolteachers (/spit) a raise, since they hadn't had one in weeks.

Next ballot had ... you guessed it ... a bond issue to pay for "school building construction and maintenance."

It passed, too. Welcome to California.

Effing teachers' unions.


By constitutional amendment (Prop. 9 >39% of the state budget MUST be spent on K-12 "education."

Meanwhile, California is 49th in the league tables in educational results. (Que?) Liberals say we need to spend more. I've responded that we should cut educational subvention to the bone. We can only drop one place. Move over, Mississippi, you've got competition!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (YqDXo)

277 To be fair, I don't really care about the future financial health of the country either. At least not until the default is out of the way, and either the crushing defeat of the leftists and/or the national divorce.

This is like having your spouse run up 400k in credit card debt, then try to poison you to death. You don't buckle down and worry about paying off the debt - you divorce them and kick them the fuck out.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at July 21, 2019 02:07 PM (67XdO)

278 271

Every month is different incentives from different manufacturers. It can vary by several thousand dollars between June and July for example or between March and April.

I bought my truck a couple of years ago for almost 30% off MSRP since I hit a sweet spot of incentive bonanza. It's just in time pricing, certain model didn't sell well the previous month, those units need to move the next month and will be heavily discounted.

The end of the month thing is kind of a myth.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:07 PM (FiUMj)

279 Easy. H1B doctors will gladly work for $40K a year. See England's NHS for Exhibit A.

And those H1B doctors are the only ones available to provide medical services to the parasite class.

And if the parasite class complains - call them out as racists for hating on the H1Bs.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:08 PM (lD3vL)

280 I remember when someone hear used to call him Luap Nor so the whackadoodles wouldn't get all Truh Ttub.

Luap Nor FTW!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 02:08 PM (Z+IKu)

281 The GOP elites are bear much responsibility for our problems. They helped crush the Tea Party and collaborated with the Democrats.

I put it all on their shoulders. If they had done right when they had the power to do so, and fought when they didn't we wouldn't be in this state. Instead they lust after more spending because that means power for them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 02:09 PM (39g3+)

282 I bought my truck a couple of years ago for almost 30% off MSRP since I hit a sweet spot of incentive bonanza.

Meanwhile, the new Jeep Gladiator is going $8k over MSRP.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:09 PM (lD3vL)

283 It's called 2CarPros iirc. They have utub and radio and web site. The main honcho used to own car dealerships and is a car nut. His site walks you through a lot of questions.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:10 PM (x3tTl)

284 "And come on, isn't $18 worth it to have good schools?"


a local farmer that lives in town was getting fed up with the increases ... and how the teachers retire early on golden pensions ... approaching $100k in a low cost town. He said "what do we have to do, start killing them". He seems like a moderate guy for the most part ... a professional before he went (back) to farming.


But the smaller towns are under strain, but just last year teacher went on strike ... which itself is absurd since the are government AND monopoly, and can never fire them on performance, and 9 months a year ... disgusting. And probably 90% Democrat ... teaching kids to hate Trump. less in smaller towns, but still most are Dems.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 21, 2019 02:11 PM (Cus5s)

285 Going to lose the property tax homestead exemption in which the taxes are cut in half.

Turn it over to rental property and deduct every single expense.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:12 PM (lD3vL)

286 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.


Depends. If you also include the length of the loan then you are basically negotiating the price and you force them to figure out how to make the deal.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:12 PM (2DOZq)

287 I think people are willfully ignorant about teacher salaries too. They still think teachers are getting paid $18K per year, and have to buy all their own crayons and glue sticks.

What utter bullshit.


A friend of mine was a VP of a major bank who lost his job in a reshuffle, and was old enough he had trouble finding another job. (You know those age discrimination laws? Yeah. Good one.)

His brother and sister had become teachers, and were in Fat City, so late in life he clawed his way into becoming a math teacher (he'd been a math major). He was stuck in a shitty neighborhood, but stuck it out and retired with a hefty pension.

So I don't want to hear about how teachers are underpaid. If you have trouble recruiting suitably qualified people, THEN you're underpaying. But if you have to fight back qualified applicants with a baseball bat, you are most definitely NOT underpaying.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:12 PM (YqDXo)

288 286 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.


Depends. If you also include the length of the loan then you are basically negotiating the price and you force them to figure out how to make the deal.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:12 PM (2DOZq)

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Dealers don't lend money.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:13 PM (FiUMj)

289 Should don my flame resistant suit and go water my garden.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (BbGew)

290 Cooling off. Down to 100F.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (Ws3LK)

291 "And come on, isn't $18 worth it to have good schools?"

They claim it is to pay the teachers more.

"What, you have been holding back? Isn't that extortion?"

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (lD3vL)

292 And those H1B doctors are the only ones available to provide medical services to the parasite class.

And if the parasite class complains - call them out as racists for hating on the H1Bs.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:08 PM (lD3vL)
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Those H1B doctors are the only one's available to deliver services to rural America.

No H1B Doc, No Doc in Littleberg.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (x3tTl)

293 Meanwhile, California is 49th in the league tables in educational results. (Que?)

Si... I live in NorCal... the Hispanics have ruined the schools, I know I'm racist, but there were some good charter schools... CA. couldn't have that so they have legislation more or less killing them too.

Posted by: It's me donna at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (O2RFr)

294 279 Easy. H1B doctors will gladly work for $40K a year. See England's NHS for Exhibit A.

And those H1B doctors are the only ones available to provide medical services to the parasite class.

And if the parasite class complains - call them out as racists for hating on the H1Bs.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:08 PM (lD3vL)


I knew someone who was involved with hiring physicians for prisons. Yow.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:15 PM (YqDXo)

295 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany. No casualties but a big hole.

https://bit.ly/2JYFDjX

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:16 PM (+y/Ru)

296 A friend of mine was a VP of a major bank who lost his job in a reshuffle, and was old enough he had trouble finding another job. (You know those age discrimination laws? Yeah. Good one.)

The ADEA is a fucking joke. All they have to claim is you're "overqualified."

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 02:16 PM (NWiLs)

297 And those H1B doctors are the only ones available to provide medical services to the parasite class.

And if the parasite class complains - call them out as racists for hating on the H1Bs. "

Since everyone is about to be given Medical Degrees based on their Wokeness rather than on what they know, the H1B's may end up being more talented than anyone from this country.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 02:17 PM (k1TUh)

298 Dealers don't lend money.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:13 PM (FiUM

Not technically , but it makes no difference . They know what lenders they have and rates.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:17 PM (2DOZq)

299 Going to lose the property tax homestead exemption in which the taxes are cut in half.

Turn it over to rental property and deduct every single expense.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy

No can do. Sold my house and moved in here. (Promise made, I don't go back on promises.) The mortgage is way more than half paid off. Very nice neighborhood and I have known some of the neighbors for decades. I will be able to claim the exemption on my own soon enough.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:17 PM (BLFnH)

300 #133 if California West of the San Andreas fault were to drown in the Pacific the remainder would be a reliably red state.

Posted by: torabora at July 21, 2019 02:18 PM (OqSi4)

301 Si... I live in NorCal... the Hispanics have ruined the schools, I know I'm racist, but there were some good charter schools... CA. couldn't have that so they have legislation more or less killing them too.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (O2RFr)


A friend and neighbor of mine is a dual citizen was telling about one of his cousins (he has a zillion of them!) who worked with some plantation in Mexico or Central America (I've forgotten which).

The cousin was trying to implement education for the children of those who worked the plantation. His biggest impediment? The parents saw no point in it. They wanted Juan and Lupe to go to work as soon as they were out of diapers.

So that cultural perspective is part of the problem.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:18 PM (YqDXo)

302 Willowed ... but I'm so impressed by Correira's development as a writer that I'm repeating.

Just downloaded and started reading Correira's Son of the Black Sword.

Great heavens, this is the same guy who wrote the MHI books? I swear, the style and even genre are totally different. Even not quite through the first chapter, I can say I'm unlikely to get much sleep tonight, even if there aren't any sequels -- and I think I saw one at Amazon.

Talk about developing as a writer -- this is astonishing, truly.

Posted by: Empire1 at July 21, 2019 02:19 PM (ZWw89)

303 The ADEA is a fucking joke. All they have to claim is you're "overqualified."
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 02:16 PM (NWiLs)


It really is. Anyone over 50 is pretty much hosed, from what I've heard.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)

304 They claim it is to pay the teachers more.

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Studies show that a teacher who is paid 18% more teaches 18% better.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (v4v6L)

305 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany.

Metaphor alert.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)

306 303
Anyone over 50 is pretty much hosed, from what I've heard.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)


Yeah, that's kind of an impediment to saving Social Security by raising the retirement age.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 02:22 PM (sdi6R)

307 The ADEA is a fucking joke. All they have to claim is you're "overqualified."
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 02:16 PM (NWiLs)

I've learned your resume has to fit the job you're applying for.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:22 PM (2DOZq)

308 Studies show that a teacher who is paid 18% more teaches 18% better.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (v4v6L)


That's the implication, isn't it? So now they're resting on the oars, but if they get more money, they'll actually do their jobs? Is that what they want us to believe?

The truth: educational results are much more a function of the demographics of the students and the teachers than they are of the amount spent on education.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:22 PM (YqDXo)

309
It really is. Anyone over 50 is pretty much hosed, from what I've heard.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I was so relieved to get the job I have. Was out of work for a year and landed one a year and a half ago. Not easy for a *mumble* yo. Also probably one the the best places I have worked! I will retire from there in just over seven years.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:23 PM (BLFnH)

310
Those H1B doctors are the only one's available to deliver services to rural America.



No H1B Doc, No Doc in Littleberg.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (x3tTl)

+++
It is not just paying the doctors to say, "Open your mouth and say aaah".It is the costs of the facilities, the tests, the testing equipment, the medicines, and all of the extra components - the millions of tons of disposable paper products used in just everyday office visits.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 02:23 PM (9+jnX)

311 305 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany.

Metaphor alert.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)
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Has it started?!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (MVjcR)

312 311 305 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany.

Metaphor alert.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)
------
Has it started?!
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (MVjcR)


A metaphor for the immigration bomb.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (YqDXo)

313 My grandfather would say , 'I paid for your parents education, they should pay for yours.'

So lets do some of the maths.

Say a teacher "works" for thirty years then gets that Fat Pension.

Class room size is twenty kids. K-12 is thirteen years. To keep it simple, the teacher officiates the same kennel of kids year after year until they graduate. That is just over two litters of children in a single career. so what? Roughly 45 kids received any benefit from that teacher.

That teacher pulls $100k in benefits annually, live another thirty-forty years in retirement at a reduced but COLA matching increasing rate. We are looking at no less than $4.5 million spread across forty five people. Each of those kids needs to pony up $100k just for the teacher alone. Probably quadruple that number to cover the facilities, operation, admin and maintenance costs, the stadiums, the band equipment, the buses, the usual graft, fraud and corruption.

All for an "education" that doesn't include identifying the three branches of government, how to balance a checkbook, or able to tell the difference between a biological man and a woman.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (lD3vL)

314 I've learned your resume has to fit the job you're applying for.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation

THIS. I took classes at the local county workforce center. It was a big help.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (BLFnH)

315 312 311 305 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany.

Metaphor alert.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)
------
Has it started?!
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (MVjcR)

A metaphor for the immigration bomb.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (YqDXo)
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Oh. That.

Dang it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:25 PM (MVjcR)

316 debt?
never heard of it

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 02:26 PM (dm05u)

317 Talk about developing as a writer -- this is astonishing, truly.

-
I read Gravity Wells by Canadian syfy author James Alan Gardner. It is a collection of his short stories (some rather and-American). His range impressed me. Some are light comedies, others dark and foreboding.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:26 PM (+y/Ru)

318 I've learned your resume has to fit the job you're applying for.

My resume says nothing about insurance yet I keep getting emails from State Farm saying that my background would be perfect to be an insurance agent.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:27 PM (lD3vL)

319 Yeah $18 more a year on top of the $21 from last year and the $35 from the year before that and the $65 from the year before that, and the $216 from the special bond of 5 years ago, etc.

And the schools get worse each year.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 02:28 PM (39g3+)

320 Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (cY3LT)

I always bought used cars from the previous owner. I never set foot in a car dealer. But the last time I needed a car, I had enough money in the bank to pay for it, and saw an ad for a car in my price range that was marked down 14% from the sticker price.

I remembered that a customer at work had told me that the end of a quarter was the best time to buy because the dealers want to turn over inventory. The date was June 30.

So I went in there, took a test drive, and signed the paperwork. The next day I returned with a cashier's check from my bank and drove home.

Maybe I could have gotten a better deal if I had haggled, but I think I did OK.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (sdi6R)


Yeah, I'll spare details, but I'm going to have a new car in a few weeks, will be paying near what the dealer paid for it (they say I'm getting it at their cost, but I'm not that gullible).

And I'm fine with that. They're not in the business of giving away cars, and I don't go in with the idea that salesmen are jerks and scum. They're people, trying to earn a living. I'll get what I want, they get what they want.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 02:28 PM (cY3LT)

321 Living debt free can be done, tricky but it can be done.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:28 PM (BbGew)

322 Watching women's beach volleyball. Brazil vs US. Playing in Gstadd, Switzerland. The views all round are amazing.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:28 PM (2DOZq)

323 It really is. Anyone over 50 is pretty much hosed, from what I've heard.

I'm in tech and had over four competing offers at one time a month ago. That isn't "come in for an interview" that is bona fide "here is a dollar amount, when can you start?"

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:29 PM (lD3vL)

324 Democrats NOOD

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:31 PM (BbGew)

325 Since everyone is about to be given Medical Degrees based on their Wokeness eagerness to perform abortions and addadicktomy operations rather than on what they know,

FIFY

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:31 PM (lD3vL)

326 Cleveland company releases flamethrower drone spitting out 25-foot-long, targeted stream of fire
POSTED 9:11 PM, JULY 20, 2019, BY NATASHA ANDERSON

I could use one of those. Keep the kids off my lawn.

https://bit.ly/2YjnVAG

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:31 PM (+y/Ru)

327 Studies show that a teacher who is paid 18% more teaches 18% better.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (v4v6L)

You know the old saw about everyone is most conservative about what they themselves know best? It seems to be the opposite for teachers I have known. This is only my experience, but every one is a blue eyed zealot, Jonestown kool aid drinker when it comes to pretty much anything related to teaching reform or fiscal responsibility- even the ones who are actually pretty rational and logical about other things.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2019 02:32 PM (ycWCI)

328 Flying into LGB next month. Unfortunate call numbers. It looks nicer than I remember.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:32 PM (BLFnH)

329 Sad to say that President Trump will sign this.

Posted by: GigantorX at July 21, 2019 02:33 PM (4M9SF)

330 I've learned your resume has to fit the job you're applying for.
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My resume says nothing about insurance yet I keep getting emails from State Farm saying that my background would be perfect to be an insurance agent.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:27 PM (lD3vL)


Have you ever been convicted of racketeering and/or loan sharking?

That may be why.

No but seriously, yes. A lot of the time, the resume is going to be read by a computer, before a human ever sees it. So you look at the job description, then look at your qualifications. What you put on your resume MUST match their description as closely as possible... and with some level of concern as to whether you do, indeed, have the skills you say you have.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 02:34 PM (cY3LT)

331 Skip --

Yes, living debt free can be done ... and after the first year or two, it's actually easy. Mr. Empire and I have been doing it for at least 20 years now. Paid cash for our current car (it was used) after the old one was totalled the day of Obama's re-election, so maintained our record there!

Posted by: Empire1 at July 21, 2019 02:34 PM (ZWw89)

332 I'm okay with this kind if budget and debt. What can't go on forever won't. So they are inadvertently doing more to destroy the federal government than the GOP has tried in the last two decades. And I don't feel sorry for anyone holding our debt, because at some point someone sensible has to look at the situation and know that it will never be satisfied.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 21, 2019 02:36 PM (H5knJ)

333 The perpetrator has come forward disputing her version and she backed down. Plus he's a Trump-hating Donk from Cuba.



Well, at least he was a white hispanic.



https://bit.ly/2YbxYYA

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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:01 PM (+y/Ru)


She's got some splainin' to do. But because Democrat won't have to

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 02:46 PM (oVjPY)

334 Welp, time for baseball

Catch all ya'll on the gun thread!

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 02:55 PM (WEBkv)

335 People should demand the same level of efficiency from the government that they demand of Apple or Samsung, but they don't, and then whine about all the crap they get.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 03:25 PM (u0f7+)

336 In order for spending to ever be cut, a faction needs either 60 votes in the Senate, or the 50 votes to return the filibuster to it's pre-70's state(the preferred course of action) or abolish it entirely. Anything short of that, and serious spending cuts will never be made, only stuff that lets you nibble at the edges and slight of hand like Trump is doing with the departments he's moving out of DC.

Posted by: ravenshrike at July 21, 2019 04:58 PM (f3oi6)

337 So that cultural perspective is part of the problem.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:18 PM (YqDXo)

THIS.

CULTURAL MINDSETS, not race, is the issue. If you hail from a culture that does not value education, the less likely you will value education.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 05:24 PM (u0f7+)

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