Apollo 11 and American History [KT]

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Gerard Van de Leun put up a series of posts on the Apollo 11 mission at American Digest. Have you seen anything else interesting on this topic?

Here are some clues to content of each post:

Bill Whittle

The four curves that put us on the moon

It was all faked

A family affair

The descent

The descent according to Neil Armstrong

And today, Moonrise.

A lot of interesting information in the links above, some poetry and some drama. I thought this was worth thinking about, from the post about the four curves:

After everyone else had finished speaking at the Caltech gathering, Neil Armstrong calmly rose and went to a chalkboard. He drew four bell-type curves, spaced slightly apart, and labeled them: Leadership, Threat, Economy, and Talent. And he said to the room, "My thought is, when you get all these lined up, you can't stop something really big from happening." Indeed, the early 1960s had it all: a bold (and in some ways, desperate) president; the threat of the Soviet Union; flush federal coffers; and an unprecedented number of college-educated youngsters. When the curves aligned, Armstrong suggested that an Apollo could rise. According to Gerry Griffin, engineer, flight director and eventual director of the Johnson Space Center, everyone in the room was nodding in agreement, as if to say "Of course, that's it."

The analysis of rarely aligned curves can help explain why we haven't yet sent humans back into the cosmos. But four peaks fail to fully capture the miracle: 400,000 souls uniting in peacetime on a project so ambitious as to appear ludicrous.

There was also a post about Teddy Kennedy's "achievement" during that time.

And some music released from the White House. Much nicer.

American History

Further to last week's post, I had some interactions with "friends of friends" on Facebook that really convinced me that a serious segment of our society is dedicated to wiping out anything good in American history (and most anything bad from communist history) because, "feelings". And I am not ready to abandon the flag that represents to Founding to associates of CNN's new white supremacist contributor, whose economic ideas are very similar to the progressives who think they are effective against people like him.

And earlier this week, in a different format, J.J. Sefton picked up this piece from VDH about the left's push to dismantle America:

In their radical progressive view -- shared by billionaires from Silicon Valley, recent immigrants and the new Democratic Party -- America was flawed, perhaps fatally, at its origins. Things have not gotten much better in the country's subsequent 243 years, nor will they get any better -- at least not until America as we know it is dismantled and replaced by a new nation predicated on race, class and gender identity-politics agendas.

About half the country disagrees. It insists that America's sins, past and present, are those of mankind. But only in America were human failings constantly critiqued and addressed.

America does not have be perfect to be good. . . .

The traditionalists see American history as a unique effort to overcome human weakness, bias and sin. That effort is unmatched by other cultures and nations, and explains why millions of foreign nationals swarm into the United States, both legally and illegally.

These arguments over our past are really over the present -- and especially the future.

If progressives and socialists can at last convince the American public that their country was always hopelessly flawed, they can gain power to remake it based on their own interests. These elites see Americans not as unique individuals but as race, class and gender collectives, with shared grievances from the past that must be paid out in the present and the future.

We've seen something like this fight before, in 1861 -- and it didn't end well.


So, here is another review of that new, more balanced history textbook, suitable for students on a path to an AP history exam, Land of Hope: an Invitation to the Great American Story:

McClay presents the upheavals of the twentieth century as the result of an ever-present temptation to deviate from the Founding's principles. The consistent application of this critique is one of this book's greatest strengths. . . . . McClay doesn't sacrifice facts, but instead builds up from them, reintroducing a grandeur to American history all but absent in most books of this kind.

Hope it helps.

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Posted by: HA at July 20, 2019 11:50 AM (MAstk)

2 nd

Posted by: HA at July 20, 2019 11:50 AM (MAstk)

3 Looks like a lot of good links.

Soyuz MS-13 is scheduled to launch to the ISS at 12:28 pm EDT.

NASA TV:
https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#public

Roscosmos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAB3PhS-96M

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 11:53 AM (sdi6R)

4 WTH


Corgies were called.

Posted by: HA at July 20, 2019 11:53 AM (MAstk)

5 Eff a bunch o' progs.

Posted by: BignJames at July 20, 2019 11:53 AM (ykq7q)

6

MS-13 in space!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2019 11:55 AM (aKsyK)

7 I'm watching some of the live feed replays. There are some who apparently believe the Apollo program was faked, or a hoax.

Having watched the incredible 16mm films of the lunar surface, undocking, descent, EVA, what are they thinking? Absolutely amazing terrain, there's no way that could be faked convincingly, even today.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2019 11:56 AM (psL96)

8 14th reason that we know that the Moon landing was faked; the astronauts didn't bring back any green cheese.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 20, 2019 11:56 AM (+y/Ru)

9 About half the country disagrees. It insists that America's sins, past and present, are those of mankind. But only in America were human failings constantly critiqued and addressed.
America does not have be perfect to be good. . . .

The traditionalists see American history as a unique effort to overcome human weakness, bias and sin. That effort is unmatched by other cultures and nations, and explains why millions of foreign nationals swarm into the United States, both legally and illegally.


Yes. This.

I recall some celebrity marveling that the US, "the country of slavery," had elected a black man for president. He spoke as if we had invented slavery.

He was a "seasoned" celebrity, and old enough to know better.

Posted by: Emmie at July 20, 2019 11:56 AM (4HMW8)

10 6

MS-13 in space!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2019 11:55 AM (aKsyK)


The capsule needs more tattoos.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 11:57 AM (sdi6R)

11 I wonder if the leftists in this country realize they have long been used to create strife and anarchy in order to create the conditions necessary for civil war and/or economic collapse, and chaos. These are further the conditions necessary to smash individual nation states, sovereignty, and the right of self-determination.

Are they cool with that? Are they cool with sacrificing their children for that? Because that's what this is about. It isn't any more complicated than that.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2019 12:00 PM (psL96)

12 "I'm not refusing to answer questions. I'm just not answering questions. Don't you put down that I'm refusing!"
"Call the ambulamps!"


WTF?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 20, 2019 12:00 PM (GDooN)

13 Things have not gotten much better in the country's subsequent 243 years, nor will they get any better -- at least not until America as we know it is dismantled and replaced by a new nation predicated on race, class and gender identity-politics agendas.

The biggest flaw with this approach, even if it had the slightest merit, is that what is acceptable today will be banned tomorrow. Progressivism cannot rest, it cannot win or finish its work. In order to have any meaning or justification, it has to keep progressing, forever.

And you cannot build a society around that, its just unstable chaos. If you demand something today, then ban it next week, nobody knows how anything works and cannot plan, build, or have a future. That kind of chaos is simply destructive not just to civilization or society, but individuals. It cannot work, ever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 20, 2019 12:02 PM (39g3+)

14 In short, they are being used to make the world "safe" for an unelected one world government. As bad as ours may be .. it's only this bad because they've already surrendered (obviously) but they don't have the guts to inform the American people.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2019 12:03 PM (psL96)

15 It's hard to explain how big the space program was from the beginning. I remember not liking the candy called sputnik because it was named after those dirty Reds. I couldn't get enough of it on tv.

Posted by: dartist at July 20, 2019 12:03 PM (K22Va)

16 Posted before, here's a filmmaker debunking the "landing hoax", purely because they couldn't have faked it. He's probably not someone I'd have much in common with politically, but speaking entirely from the point of view of someone who had worked with film and video of the era he says it would have been simpler to just go to the moon than to fake it with the technology of the era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_loUDS4c3Cs

It helps when you understand that the people who push the hoax myth don't know or care what's possible and what's not, it's just a symptom of some other pathology.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 12:04 PM (t+qrx)

17 Hey moslems! We landed Christian men on your "god". I guess you were totally wrong, and are going to hell!

Posted by: Chris M at July 20, 2019 12:05 PM (6XZdO)

18 We Built the Saturn V

https://www.airspacemag.com/space/we-built-saturn-v-180964759/

We couldn't go to the moon in this century because we can't even agree on what is a gender for that one small step.

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at July 20, 2019 12:07 PM (4ceyg)

19 Some conspiracy theories I can understand. I mean I can understand why some people believe a conspiracy theory as opposed to believing random things happen.
But I can't wrap my brain around why people believe the moon landing never happened.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at July 20, 2019 12:08 PM (JgA4k)

20 I remember an interview with the former Mexican president, Senor Fox. In response to a question he very clearly stated it is not illegal for illegal aliens to move to the US. It's always had this odor about it, that previous administrations or state department weenies cut some secret deal. Congress is out to lunch, etc.

That's why you got Trump. Drain the swamp, expose them all, "though the heaven's may fall". This must happen. It is simply the human condition. Every now and then, all the cream at the top needs to be skimmed off. No way around it, it's always been this way. Keeps 'em honest. A few lampposts is all it takes. I don't like the idea, but it's the only way apparently. Do unto others before they do unto you. Please.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2019 12:08 PM (psL96)

21 16 Posted before, here's a filmmaker debunking the "landing hoax", purely because they couldn't have faked it. He's probably not someone I'd have much in common with politically, but speaking entirely from the point of view of someone who had worked with film and video of the era he says it would have been simpler to just go to the moon than to fake it with the technology of the era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_loUDS4c3Cs

Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 12:04 PM (t+qrx)


Thanks for linking that. I've seen it before. I mentioned it yesterday, although I misremembered it as an article rather than a video.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:09 PM (sdi6R)

22 I don't believe that "half" of the country wants to "dismantle" America by wiping out it's history.

It's probably 25-30%

Unfortunately there are is a significant portion of bleeding hearts, do-gooders and other "go along to get along" types who help facilitate the goals of the radicals because they don't realize where it leads.

Add to that the distracted, the dumb and the " I only care about money" businessman types and here's where we are.....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 12:09 PM (NFEMn)

23 I can't wrap my brain around why people believe the moon landing never happened.

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Moon landing = American exceptionalism. That cannot stand!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 20, 2019 12:10 PM (+y/Ru)

24 Obligatory Mitchell and Webb fake moon landing sketch.

https://youtu.be/P6MOnehCOUw

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 12:10 PM (fuK7c)

25 The jerkoffs at the UK Guardian have an article up: "Apollo 11 is Precisely Not the Nationalism of Trump" (paraphrasing).

Hilariously, perfectly wrong.

Trump's nationalism is exactly that which brought us Apollo 11:

"America is uniquely great because of our principles and our people. I want America to be great again in the old way, because that America is the exquisite engine for positive global development that helps every citizen of the world."

Trump so lives inside the skulls of these idiots that they avoid reality at all costs.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 20, 2019 12:10 PM (xgyDD)

26 repost from late in last thread

shilling 3 Moron authors series that are on Kindle Unlimited because there is a KU deal right now - 3 months for the price of one

linky in nicky

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at July 20, 2019 12:11 PM (dm05u)

27

Does the Moon have a preferred pronoun?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2019 12:11 PM (aKsyK)

28 Relatively speaking, comparing the vast distances to other moons or planets, our moon is not very far away. Like a walk around the block. Why is this accomplishment so hard to grasp, that we could travel to it, and many instead believe we only pretended to land on a sound-stage or some such? What is their problem?

Posted by: washrivergal at July 20, 2019 12:12 PM (9+jnX)

29 Some conspiracy theories I can understand. I mean I can understand why some people believe a conspiracy theory as opposed to believing random things happen.
But I can't wrap my brain around why people believe the moon landing never happened.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at July 20, 2019 12:08 PM (JgA4k)

I can understand some skepticism on the part of some older Americans--in 1969.

It just probably seemed so fantastical. There were areas in the country where no too long before the moon landing, people would still point out an airplane in the sky every time they saw one.

But anyone who TODAY insists it was all fake, is a crank.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 12:13 PM (NFEMn)

30 25 The jerkoffs at the UK Guardian have an article up: "Apollo 11 is Precisely Not the Nationalism of Trump" (paraphrasing).

The only reason they would say that is ...because...

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at July 20, 2019 12:13 PM (JgA4k)

31 That's why you got Trump. Drain the swamp, expose them all, "though the heaven's may fall". This must happen. It is simply the human condition. Every now and then, all the cream at the top needs to be skimmed off. No way around it, it's always been this way. Keeps 'em honest. A few lampposts is all it takes. I don't like the idea, but it's the only way apparently. Do unto others before they do unto you. Please.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2019 12:08 PM


Research the phrase "circulation of the elites".

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2019 12:13 PM (ldJ5T)

32 Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at July 20, 2019 12:07 PM (4ceyg)

Babylon Bee has a story-can't find the link about a re-do of the faked moon landings with an all female cast. I think Scarlett Johhanson (sp_ is going to be one of the astronauts, "One small step for mankind, womankind, humankind, trangendered, gender fluid and otherkin."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2019 12:14 PM (+0VWg)

33 > It's probably 25-30%

Nope, it's not anything like that.

Don't confuse the volume of the screaming with the number of people doing the screaming.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 20, 2019 12:14 PM (GDooN)

34 Neat links KT.

A neat site that debunks the halfwit debunkers.
http://www.clavius.org/

This site has every photo (I think) taken by the Apollo astronauts from Apollo 7-17.
https://tinyurl.com/pexttpf

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at July 20, 2019 12:15 PM (TDyHc)

35 getting sporty here. streets lights on, air is soup, tornado warnings everywhere.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 20, 2019 12:15 PM (KP5rU)

36 1st

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 20, 2019 12:16 PM (BqBId)

37 Unfortunately there are is a significant portion of bleeding hearts, do-gooders and other "go along to get along" types who help facilitate the goals of the radicals because they don't realize where it leads.

Joe, in my circles, these blind ones think it makes them good people. They are awarding themselves morality "points."

Posted by: Emmie at July 20, 2019 12:17 PM (4HMW8)

38 23 I can't wrap my brain around why people believe the moon landing never happened.

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Moon landing = American exceptionalism. That cannot stand!

_________________________________________________

Bingo. Moon landing denial is largely motivated by hatred of the United States.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 20, 2019 12:17 PM (AZD0r)

39 13 Reasons Why Columbus' Discovery of America Was Fake

1. It's a really long way from Spain.
2. They'd have fallen of the edge of the world.
3. There be dragons.
4. No Google Maps in those days.
. . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 20, 2019 12:17 PM (+y/Ru)

40 Relatively speaking, comparing the vast distances to other moons or planets, our moon is not very far away. Like a walk around the block.
Posted by: washrivergal at July 20, 2019 12:12 PM


OTOH, as the saying goes, once you make it to LEO (Low Earth Orbit), you're half-way to anywhere.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2019 12:17 PM (ldJ5T)

41 The Apollo Program was all faked.

Here is the real story. The Old Negri Space Program:

https://youtu.be/T6xJzAYYrX8

Posted by: Sharkman at July 20, 2019 12:18 PM (xgyDD)

42 28 Relatively speaking, comparing the vast distances to other moons or planets, our moon is not very far away. Like a walk around the block. Why is this accomplishment so hard to grasp, that we could travel to it, and many instead believe we only pretended to land on a sound-stage or some such? What is their problem?
Posted by: washrivergal at July 20, 2019 12:12 PM (9+jnX)


Because the people espousing such conspiracy theories are cognitively disenfranchised, and realize that there is no way they themselves could possibly have even been involved in any such undertaking except perhaps in a custodial capacity, and therefore doubt that anyone else could have been either.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:18 PM (YqDXo)

43 So did the astronauts see alien bases on the moon? That's what I want to know.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at July 20, 2019 12:18 PM (JgA4k)

44 Some white men did something. For patriarchy.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2019 12:19 PM (NWiLs)

45 43 So did the astronauts see alien bases on the moon? That's what I want to know.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at July 20, 2019 12:18 PM (JgA4k)

Nazis.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2019 12:20 PM (NWiLs)

46 Does the Moon have a preferred pronoun?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2019 12:11 PM (aKsyK)


Funny thing about that, our moon is the only one that doesn't have a full proper name. It's just the moon.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 12:20 PM (t+qrx)

47 44 Some white men did faked something. For patriarchy.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2019 12:19 PM (NWiLs)

The leftist/ feminist perspective.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:20 PM (YqDXo)

48 Speaking of American history, given the discussion (and time frame), I think the argument over Beatles or Stones is not something that could or would be had today, not just because nobody does it like that anymore, but because people don't have that level of sustained interest in music.

Stuff comes and goes so fast now, that even if it wasn't throwaway garbage, listeners throw it away. They wouldn't know how not to.

So I'm going to give the music industry something of a pass. They're catering to a market, and that's capitalism. Can't argue with it. Well, I could, but I won't.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2019 12:21 PM (cY3LT)

49 It is probably the same people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 12:21 PM (PUmDY)

50 Here is the real story. The Old Negro Space Program:

https://youtu.be/T6xJzAYYrX8
Posted by: Sharkman at July 20, 2019 12:18 PM (xgyDD)


That is one of the funniest videos ever created.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 12:21 PM (t+qrx)

51 How long has the practice of dropping your pants to show others your bum been called mooning, or hanging a moon?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at July 20, 2019 12:21 PM (JgA4k)

52 I suspect most of the scribblers nit-picking the US space program an "US Nationalism" came of age after the end of the Cold War. None of them had to practice "duck and cover" in the second grade.

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 12:21 PM (Pqytn)

53 Minorities and women had long ago been to the moon. They just went to the dark side, and were modest about it, unlike those braggadocio white men (/spit).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:21 PM (YqDXo)

54 Here is the Babylon Bee article about the remake of the faked moon landing:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yyqx9dog

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:22 PM (sdi6R)

55 "When imperfections in the circulation of governing elites prevent the attainment of such judicious mixtures among the governing, regimes either degenerate into hidebound and ossified bureaucracies incapable of renewal and adaptation, or into weak regimes of squabbling lawyers and rhetoricians incapable of decisive and forceful action. When this happens, the governed will succeed in overthrowing their rulers and new elites will institute a more effective regime."

Yeah. What he said.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2019 12:22 PM (psL96)

56 The reason we abandoned space is that after the Moon landing, aliens came to earth and sabotaged all the space programs

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at July 20, 2019 12:22 PM (dm05u)

57 53 Minorities and women had long ago been to the moon. They just went to the dark side, and were modest about it, unlike those braggadocio white men (/spit).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:21 PM (YqDXo)

The Egyptians got there first, thousands of years ago.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2019 12:23 PM (NWiLs)

58 Funny thing about that, our moon is the only one that doesn't have a full proper name. It's just the moon.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 12:20 PM (t+qrx)


It's kind of like "The Man." The moon don't care about your pronouns. That's what makes it the moon.

All other moons are just pretenders and can go sux eggs.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2019 12:23 PM (cY3LT)

59 Ralph Kramden was sending Alice to the Moon in the '50s.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 20, 2019 12:25 PM (+y/Ru)

60 The thing that's amazing to me is that those promulgating conspiracy theories seem utterly impervious to logic and/or common sense.

The moon landings, 9/11, the Kennedy assassination all huge conspiracies. Sure, dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands of people involved, each of whom has remained tight-lipped for years or decades. None has ever drunk too much, ever bragged to impress a chick, never offered to tell the truth to beat a criminal rap, never been tempted to write a tell-all book.

It's ridiculous. At one point only two people knew Clinton had received a beejer in the Oval Office. Now natives in Papua New Guinea with bones through their noses know all about it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:25 PM (YqDXo)

61 Tornado Warning including Green Bay WI, Appleton WI, De Pere WI until 12:00 PM CDT
*******
Cheesehead Morons heads up

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 20, 2019 12:25 PM (BqBId)

62 Under T-4 minutes.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:26 PM (sdi6R)

63 apolloinrealtime.org

You can re-live the event down to the minute. Mission Control to Columbia and Eagle comms. Rather cool.

Posted by: filbert at July 20, 2019 12:26 PM (Lz9fr)

64 Undercover of the Night is awesome

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 12:26 PM (PUmDY)

65 The Egyptians got there first, thousands of years ago.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2019 12:23 PM (NWiLs)


Yep. And just like the Africans who invented algebra, geometry, etc., once those Greek homos stole it, they somehow inexplicably forgot what they'd invented.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:26 PM (YqDXo)

66 If it was faked, it's one hell of a better hoax than Q.

Posted by: filbert at July 20, 2019 12:27 PM (Lz9fr)

67 no power, wind big time, nasty bastard right now.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 20, 2019 12:28 PM (KP5rU)

68 http://bit.ly/2GmEotC
*******
Jazz Shaw on Twitter: "In case you missed the DNC's simply dismal June FEC report...

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 20, 2019 12:28 PM (BqBId)

69 Conspiracy theories only prove that William of Ockham lived in vain.

But, unfortunately, that's even true all too often here on the HQ.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:28 PM (YqDXo)

70 3 Looks like a lot of good links.

Soyuz MS-13 is scheduled to launch to the ISS at 12:28 pm EDT.

NASA TV:
https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#public

Roscosmos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAB3PhS-96M

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 11:53 AM (sdi6R)


Na goot, na thong, na goot.
Vomin inquisitr mus hav thong, mus hav cleavach.


Posted by: Yuri al Arian at July 20, 2019 12:28 PM (ePWRo)

71 Na goot, na thong, na goot.
Vomin inquisitr mus hav thong, mus hav cleavach.


Posted by: Yuri al Arian at July 20, 2019 12:28 PM (ePWRo)


Must have thong?

Da, tovarisch!

Posted by: filbert at July 20, 2019 12:29 PM (Lz9fr)

72 Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 12:20 PM (t+qrx)


It's kind of like "The Man." The moon don't care about your pronouns. That's what makes it the moon.

All other moons are just pretenders and can go sux eggs.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2019 12:23 PM (cY3LT)


And seriously (sorta), I'm really not sure pronouns ARE the big issue here. I think the issue might be the article.

If you say "I'm a woman, my pronouns are she/her/hers," maybe the word "a" is the most important one here.

That's a very different statement from "I am THE woman," or even "I'm your woman/ I am my own woman."

In a very real sense, what we're creating here is not just a distortion of the language, when we play the pronoun game, we're essentially creating a distortion regarding whose perspective matters most here.

If you want to be a woman, fine, go be that. But if you're going to try to MAKE me care, you're suddenly changing the dynamic, so I'm required to see it from your perspective.

It's such a monumentally cunning and damaging form of coercion, most idiots don't even know they're being controlled. They willingly expose their necks to the man... whether that man is a transjennered lizard of body positive color or an actual, you know, man.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2019 12:29 PM (cY3LT)

73 Is punch hole in clod.

Posted by: Yuri al Arian at July 20, 2019 12:30 PM (ePWRo)

74 there really wasn't a good reason to continue manned visits to the moon, emotionally or scientifically. after you hit some golf balls and collect some rocks, what philosophical or national or scientific justification would compel continuation. it's barren and desolate.

nevertheless, now we must establish a permanent lunar base. to look up at the moon knowing the chinese are there and we aren't would be intolerable.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 12:30 PM (Pg+x7)

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 12:30 PM (Pqytn)

76 Now you can own a piece of history!

https://bit.ly/2SqWwrf

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 20, 2019 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

77 Dinamik presure goot. ah

Posted by: Yuri al Arian at July 20, 2019 12:31 PM (ePWRo)

78 Personally, I think shooting MS-13 into space is an elegant solution to the problem.

Let'em come down the hard way.

Posted by: filbert at July 20, 2019 12:31 PM (Lz9fr)

79 I helped Neil Armstrong open a classroom window. "It's getting a little stuffy in here. Can you give me a hand?" "Yes, sir!"

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 12:32 PM (Pqytn)

80 In a very real sense, what we're creating here is not just a distortion of the language, when we play the pronoun game, we're essentially creating a distortion regarding whose perspective matters most here.

I think it's more fundamental than that. The implication of all this nonsense is that reality is determined by each individual's perspective on it, rather than existing independently. That's how we get such solecisms as "my truth." Truth is truth. No one is entitled to his own "truth."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:33 PM (YqDXo)

81 Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:22 PM (sdi6R)

Thanks!

How are you doing and feeling?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2019 12:33 PM (+0VWg)

82 there really wasn't a good reason to continue manned visits to the moon, emotionally or scientifically. after you hit some golf balls and collect some rocks, what philosophical or national or scientific justification would compel continuation. it's barren and desolate.

nevertheless, now we must establish a permanent lunar base. to look up at the moon knowing the chinese are there and we aren't would be intolerable.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 12:30 PM (Pg+x7)


The reasoning for establishing a moon base is pretty much exactly the same reasoning that we have McMurdo Station on Antarctica.

Because it's there.

Posted by: filbert at July 20, 2019 12:33 PM (Lz9fr)

83 Nice rocketcam view. I haven't seen that very much in Russian launches.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:34 PM (sdi6R)

84 Here is the real story. The Old Negro Space Program:

https://youtu.be/T6xJzAYYrX8
Posted by: Sharkman at July 20, 2019 12:18 PM (xgyDD)

That is one of the funniest videos ever created.

Posted by: hogmartin


I just rewatched it and gave myself a hernia laughing at Blackstronaut Sullivan Carew's letter home to his wife at 6 minutes in. Just about died laughing.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 20, 2019 12:34 PM (xgyDD)

85 I see Whittle got Part 4 up...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 20, 2019 12:34 PM (oVJmc)

86 "i helped neil armstrong open a window. 'it's gettin a little stuffy in here'..."

thank goodness you weren't't on the lander.

;-)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 12:35 PM (Pg+x7)

87 It's ridiculous. At one point only two people knew
Clinton had received a beejer in the Oval Office. Now natives in Papua
New Guinea with bones through their noses know all about it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:25 PM (YqDXo)

+++This, too, has been my trump card when arguing with people over these conspiracies - you'd have to have casts of hundreds, thousands involved, all vowing to air-tight secrecy, mouths zipped. Sure.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 20, 2019 12:35 PM (9+jnX)

88 > It's probably 25-30%

Nope, it's not anything like that.

Don't confuse the volume of the screaming with the number of people doing the screaming.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 20, 2019 12:14 PM (GDooN)


My SWAG is 3% - 5%. However, they have co-opted the Democrat party. The nice thing is that their hubris has made them fairly easy to identify.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 20, 2019 12:35 PM (5Yee7)

89
No one is entitled to his own "truth."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


You mean I'm not entitled to my own facts?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2019 12:37 PM (aKsyK)

90 Inserton kumplet, ahh.

Posted by: Yuri al Arian at July 20, 2019 12:39 PM (ePWRo)

91 The moon landing was real.

You know what was faked? The Great Society, the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs, the War on Blah blah blah and Barack Mugabe's marriage.

But democrats still believe.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 20, 2019 12:39 PM (Z+IKu)

92 81
How are you doing and feeling?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2019 12:33 PM (+0VWg)


Well... I'm feeling more or less OK, but apparently not doing so well. I saw the medical oncologist on Tuesday and he said a recent MRI of my left shoulder shows a lesion on the shoulder blade. I have an appointment with a radiation oncologist on Monday to discuss treatment of that.

I told the medical oncologist that I've been feeling numbness in my lower back and buttocks, and he said it sounds like there may be another tumor near my spine. He's starting chemotherapy on Tuesday and ordered another MRI of that area which I just had on Thursday. I guess I'll find out the results of that next week.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:40 PM (sdi6R)

93 91: "you know what was fake...?"

wow. well put.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 12:41 PM (Pg+x7)

94 if you ever saw kids trying to fly rockets, you know they don't go very far or very straight. It is so hard that I never even bothered to try. That is how I know they faked the moon landing ... it's too hard for me to comprehend, so it has to be impossible. (and I have my doubts that electricity is real)


/s

Posted by: illiniwek at July 20, 2019 12:41 PM (Cus5s)

95 Standing On The Moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOJZEDkT470

Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2019 12:41 PM (K/2j/)

96 I watched the CBS and ABC coverage of the moon landing and ABC did such a good job, Cronkite wouldn't such the fuck up and kept talking like today's commentators. ABC Just let it breath and just let it happen.

My Dad liked the ABC anchor and I remember watching him during the Reagan assassination attempt and yelling about get the information right.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 20, 2019 12:43 PM (dKiJG)

97 Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:40 PM (sdi6R)

Sorry that things are so complicated and more issues are coming up. Will continue to pray and put an update on the prayer list.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2019 12:43 PM (+0VWg)

98 @43 So did the astronauts see alien bases on the moon? That's what I want to know.

----------------

The alien bases are on the far side of the moon, which is why we signed a secret agreement with most of your planetary governments to keep them from sending manned missions there.

Posted by: Klaatu at July 20, 2019 12:43 PM (Fp6vo)

99 95
Standing On The Moon

Awesome tune.

Posted by: dartist at July 20, 2019 12:44 PM (K22Va)

100 "i helped neil armstrong open a window. 'it's gettin a little stuffy in here'..."



thank goodness you weren't't on the lander.



;-)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 12:35 PM (Pg+x7)

=======================
It's funny. I was 14 during the time of the Apollo 11 mission. I watched the TV mission coverage intently - all the way to capsule landing. Ohio had a special connection with Armstrong, who was born in Wapakoneta. He was auditing the the Russian language class I was taking at the University of Cincinnati, apparently in prep for the Apollo-Soyuz mission. He attended the class for about two months.

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 12:44 PM (Pqytn)

101 rickl, continuing to pray for you

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at July 20, 2019 12:45 PM (dm05u)

102
You know what was faked? The Great Society, the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs, the War on Blah blah blah and Barack Mugabe's marriage.

But democrats still believe.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 20, 2019 12:39 PM (Z+IKu)

"Camelot."

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 12:46 PM (NFEMn)

103 if you ever saw kids trying to fly rockets, you know they don't go very far or very straight. It is so hard that I never even bothered to try. That is how I know they faked the moon landing ... it's too hard for me to comprehend, so it has to be impossible. (and I have my doubts that electricity is real)
/s
Posted by: illiniwek at July 20, 2019 12:41 PM (Cus5s)


But, paradoxically, the converse is also true. Some believe, for example, that the CIA invented AIDS to hold down minorities. Those espousing this have absolutely no idea how to do it themselves, but they readily impute to others the ability to do it as a given.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 12:46 PM (YqDXo)

104 Of course the moon landings were faked. I have trouble just getting a stable orbit in Kerbal Space Program. You expect me to believe it's possible to go even further?

Posted by: junior at July 20, 2019 12:46 PM (Fp6vo)

105 Prayers up, rickl

Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2019 12:46 PM (NWiLs)

106 "you know what was fake...?"

Posted by: Any Wife "afterwards" at July 20, 2019 12:46 PM (NFEMn)

107 Old Glory standing stiffly, Crimson, white and indigo. Indigo.

Posted by: dartist at July 20, 2019 12:47 PM (K22Va)

108 ==
It's funny. I was 14 during the time of the Apollo 11 mission. I watched the TV mission coverage intently - all the way to capsule landing. Ohio had a special connection with Armstrong, who was born in Wapakoneta. He was auditing the the Russian language class I was taking at the University of Cincinnati, apparently in prep for the Apollo-Soyuz mission. He attended the class for about two months.
Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 12:44 PM (Pqytn)

It's still a crime that we named the Columbus airport after John Glenn and not Neil Armstrong, John Glenn didn't do anything special Neil Stood on the God Damn MOON.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 20, 2019 12:47 PM (dKiJG)

109 Hey Fen, I saw your comment about about "God incidents" in the EMT. My wife calls those Godwinks. I think she read the book (by same name) by Squire Rushnell after our son (Michael) died in 2011. She saw many signs that she felt were from God letting her know that Michael was OK.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 20, 2019 12:48 PM (cJBin)

110 Old Glory standing stiffly, Crimson, white and indigo. Indigo.
Posted by: dartist at July 20, 2019 12:47 PM (K22Va)

And used as an MTV logo for decades....

Posted by: Any Wife at July 20, 2019 12:49 PM (NFEMn)

111 rickl We include you in our prayers.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 20, 2019 12:49 PM (dKiJG)

112 Robert Hunter is a poet.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 12:49 PM (PUmDY)

113 Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:40 PM (sdi6R)

+++I am so sorry to hear about this new prognosis and am always praying for a favorable healing for you. You are much beloved on this site, with many people wishing and praying for a miraculous cure.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 20, 2019 12:50 PM (9+jnX)

114 Prayers up, rickl.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 20, 2019 12:51 PM (cJBin)

115 Well... I'm feeling more or less OK, but apparently not doing so well. I saw the medical oncologist on Tuesday and he said a recent MRI of my left shoulder shows a lesion on the shoulder blade. I have an appointment with a radiation oncologist on Monday to discuss treatment of that.

I told the medical oncologist that I've been feeling numbness in my lower back and buttocks, and he said it sounds like there may be another tumor near my spine. He's starting chemotherapy on Tuesday and ordered another MRI of that area which I just had on Thursday. I guess I'll find out the results of that next week.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:40 PM (sdi6R)

I'm sorry to hear this rick. Still praying for you.

Would you like to restart the meal deliveries? The money is still there as the thing for ace never materialized.

Posted by: Tami at July 20, 2019 12:51 PM (cF8AT)

116 they say that because of solar radiation the flag on the moon is likely white by now.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 12:51 PM (Pg+x7)

117 Nina Blackwood, yes. Rickl, what is going on?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 12:52 PM (PUmDY)

118 If we land on the moon, we will anger the USSR, and we can't have that you guys.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 20, 2019 12:52 PM (LxTcq)

119 I helped Neil Armstrong open a classroom window. "It's getting a little stuffy in here. Can you give me a hand?" "Yes, sir!"


Oh cool. Cincinnati?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 12:52 PM (fuK7c)

120 It's still a crime that we named the Columbus airport after John Glenn and not Neil Armstrong, John Glenn didn't do anything special Neil Stood on the God Damn MOON.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 20, 2019 12:47 PM (dKiJG)


John Glenn set the transcontinental speed record in a F8U Crusader. That's something.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 12:52 PM (t+qrx)

121 Thanks, everybody.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:54 PM (sdi6R)

122 It's an old tale. Go back to the Bible--when Israel kept its covenant with God, it prospered. When it did not, through neglect or outright abandonment, it suffered. When it returned, it rose again.

No wonder the progs have to disappear the Bible--it refutes their arguments with examples, to the last. The prog flag might as well be a golden calf on a red field flown from an asherah pole.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, something something punk at July 20, 2019 12:55 PM (lLeln)

123 Rl, sorry to hear. Scrolled up, and saw.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 12:55 PM (PUmDY)

124 they say that because of solar radiation the flag on the moon is likely white by now.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 12:51 PM (Pg+x7)

Aha!!! White Supremacy!!

WE must go back to the moon and remove it!!

Posted by: S J W mob at July 20, 2019 12:55 PM (NFEMn)

125 Sending up prayers for healing for you, dear Rickl.

Posted by: Ladyl urgent prayer needed for Laura and Allison at July 20, 2019 12:56 PM (TdMsT)

126 I highly recommend Kerbal Space Program. I learned so much attempting to reach the ersatz moon. It was surprisingly relevant to the SpaceX events.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 20, 2019 12:56 PM (LxTcq)

127 108
It's still a crime that we named the Columbus airport after John Glenn and not Neil Armstrong, John Glenn didn't do anything special Neil Stood on the God Damn MOON.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 20, 2019 12:47 PM (dKiJG)


Glenn was the first American to orbit the Earth. That was a big effing deal back in 1962, even though the Russians did it first.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 12:56 PM (sdi6R)

128 I'm watching "First Man." I'm not sure what to make of it. Curious what anybody else thought.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 20, 2019 12:56 PM (H8QX8)

129 helped Neil Armstrong open a classroom window. "It's getting a little stuffy in here. Can you give me a hand?" "Yes, sir!"





Oh cool. Cincinnati?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 12:52 PM (fuK7c)

=======================
Yep. See #100

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 12:57 PM (Pqytn)

130 John Glenn set the transcontinental speed record in a F8U Crusader. That's something.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 12:52 PM (t+qrx)

Let's face it. Fair or not, Glenn earned demerits for being a Democrat mouthpiece for decades.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 12:57 PM (NFEMn)

131 Posted by: olddog in mo at July 20, 2019 12:48 PM (cJBin)

Thanks; I have heard of that book, but I haven't read it. "Guideposts" magazine has a section called "His Mysterious Ways" which chronicle those things including stories about "God winks" after the death of loved ones. It's a much beloved section of that magazine.

I am sorry about your son, but glad to hear she felt those comforting experfeinces after his death.

Is your wife home now?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2019 12:58 PM (+0VWg)

132 I loved model rockets as a kid, so when No. 1 Son needed a science project I gave him a brilliant idea.

We'd set up a Saturn V model rocket with an electric fuse and a battery. We'd interrupt the circuit with two probes in a jar of water. Add salt to the water slowly and whoosh! We've proven that water is not conductive but salt water is.

Well, the kid is sweet as all get out but he's not good at things so it failed. I brought the rocket to school the next day and just launched it to show the kids. Model rockets are still cool.

I think you can't buy regular fuses anymore, it has to be the electric kind.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 12:59 PM (fuK7c)

133 >>I loved model rockets as a kid, so when No. 1 Son needed a science project I gave him a brilliant idea.

We used to build Estes rockets that used the solid rocket propellant. Even built a custom launch pad and controls.

We sent a lot of stuff into "space". Some of it even came back.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2019 01:01 PM (K/2j/)

134 Let's face it. Fair or not, Glenn earned demerits for being a Democrat mouthpiece for decades.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 12:57 PM (NFEMn)

====================
Keating Five.

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 01:01 PM (Pqytn)

135 Is your wife home now?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2019 12:58 PM


Yes. Mrs. got out of hospital Wed. Dr's want her skip at least her next 2 chemo treatments to let wound heal. In 2 weeks she sees the surgeon and a wound Dr. Hopefully they can figure something out so she can resume her chemo treatments.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 20, 2019 01:03 PM (cJBin)

136 We used to build Estes rockets that used the solid rocket propellant. Even built a custom launch pad and controls.


Exactly. You could even do multi-stage ones where one stage would ignite the next. You could put payloads on things.

And physics would give you very clear lessons on whether you'd glued the fins on well enough.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:03 PM (fuK7c)

137
they say that because of solar radiation the flag on the moon is likely white by now.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 12:51 PM (Pg+x7)

Aha!!! White Supremacy!!

WE must go back to the moon and remove it!!


Posted by: S J W mob at July 20, 2019 12:55 PM (NFEMn)



Denny's has announced they will discontinue their Moons Over My Hammy special after recieving multiple complaints and they wish to apologize to anyone who they may have offended.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 20, 2019 01:03 PM (TAmPV)

138 Posted by: olddog in mo at July 20, 2019 01:03 PM (cJBin)

Thanks for the update. Glad that she's home. Prayers continue

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2019 01:04 PM (+0VWg)

139 Let's face it. Fair or not, Glenn earned demerits for being a Democrat mouthpiece for decades.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 12:57 PM (NFEMn)

====================
Keating Five.
Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 01:01 PM (Pqytn)

He's like John Lewis in that sense.
The guy really did put his ass on the line for Civil Rights and got the snot beat out of him for his trouble. He was authentic in ways Obama or any of these newer assholes could ever be.

But he squandered it by being a party hack.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 01:04 PM (NFEMn)

140 'I Just Made It Up': Florida Dem Politcian Admits Lying About Treating Pulse Shooting Victims

-
This is what you get when you mix Florida, Democrat and
Politician. That's science.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 20, 2019 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)

141 And physics would give you very clear lessons on whether you'd glued the fins on well enough.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:03 PM (fuK7c)

======================
And why you needed to powder the parachutes with flour before launch

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 01:06 PM (Pqytn)

142 Drums/space was always a cool part of Dead shows.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:06 PM (PUmDY)

143 >>Exactly. You could even do multi-stage ones where one stage would ignite the next. You could put payloads on things.

We helped many a grasshopper slip the surly bonds of earth.

Getting them into the space suits was a bitch.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2019 01:06 PM (K/2j/)

144 For Neil, Buzz, Mike, NASA and the rest of the Team.

Thanks!

Posted by: Pleistocene Megafauna at July 20, 2019 01:06 PM (doAIC)

145 116 they say that because of solar radiation the flag on the moon is likely white by now.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 12:51 PM (Pg+x7)


That's probably true because of the unfiltered UV radiation. I've also read that it may have broken down the molecular bonds in the fabric, so it would crumble to dust if touched.

But imagine what the same flag would look like if you flew it continuously on Earth for 50 years. There would be some fading and color change, but more importantly, the wind and weather would have torn it to shreds. There would be nothing left but strips of fabric.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 01:08 PM (sdi6R)

146 134 Let's face it. Fair or not, Glenn earned demerits for being a Democrat mouthpiece for decades.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 12:57 PM (NFEMn)

====================
Keating Five.

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 01:01 PM (Pqytn)


The book and the movie hinted that he was a pos.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 01:10 PM (w6992)

147 Fucking Google doodle today commemorates Moon Landing with cheesy cartoon. Missing? Anything that would correctly identify it with the United States.

No flag, no nothing.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 01:11 PM (NFEMn)

148 Let's face it. Fair or not, Glenn earned demerits for being a Democrat mouthpiece for decades.



Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 12:57 PM (NFEMn)

====================
Keating Five.


Posted by: mrp

+++++++++++++++++++++
Same with McCain. Credits for military service, demerits for his senile Leftism and massive ego, plus Keating.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 20, 2019 01:12 PM (r+sAi)

149 There was a girl on Fox News earlier who was too young to have seen the moon landing. She said oh what a wonderful event that united all of humanity.

Well, I saw it. I was nine. To me it was "America, fuck yeah!". We beat the Russians. We did it.

We were all magnanimous about in peace for all mankind, but it was the United Fucking States of Fucking America and nobody else.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:14 PM (fuK7c)

150 There was a girl on Fox News earlier who was too young to have seen the moon landing. She said oh what a wonderful event that united all of humanity.

Well, I saw it. I was nine. To me it was "America, fuck yeah!". We beat the Russians. We did it.

We were all magnanimous about in peace for all mankind, but it was the United Fucking States of Fucking America and nobody else.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:14 PM (fuK7c)

Not only do they fail to context and proper credit (to the US), but the Moon Landing didn't "unite" shit.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 01:15 PM (NFEMn)

151 The moon landing did unite humanity.
It united humanity in line right behind us.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 01:15 PM (w6992)

152 >>We were all magnanimous about in peace for all mankind, but it was the United Fucking States of Fucking America and nobody else.

It was pretty much the entire point. We were in a space race then and were unapologetically trying to beat the Soviets.

I don't think Ivan felt all that unified.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2019 01:17 PM (K/2j/)

153
There was a girl on Fox News earlier who was too young to have seen the moon landing. She said oh what a wonderful event that united all of humanity.


Except for the Viet Cong.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 20, 2019 01:18 PM (TAmPV)

154 What, no love?

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=41244

Posted by: Lawrence Person at July 20, 2019 01:19 PM (QdGwK)

155 Ivan may have been unified in contempt.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 01:19 PM (w6992)

156 What is difference between amid and amidst?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:20 PM (PUmDY)

157 What is difference between amid and amidst?


Without recourse to sources, I'd say that amid is more conceptual and amidst is more physical.

Amid the contentious forces of the political climate. Amid the battering blows of criticism.

Amidst the seething hordes of the slums of Bombay.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:23 PM (fuK7c)

158 Rickl

I add my prayers to the many others.

Posted by: mnw at July 20, 2019 01:24 PM (Cssks)

159 Tell me if anybody else laughs when they hear in the JFK speech:
"We choose to go to the Moon and do the other things. "

Its like a 6th grader saying "and stuff". Otherwise good speech from the writer but it makes me laugh. Maybe just me.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 20, 2019 01:24 PM (r+sAi)

160 USA! USA! USA!

Suck it! Bitches.

Posted by: Fritz at July 20, 2019 01:24 PM (kLDv+)

161 145 rickl:

that's true.



be well.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 20, 2019 01:26 PM (Pg+x7)

162 REM's Man on the Moon is kind of great.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:27 PM (PUmDY)

163 Well, I saw it. I was nine. To me it was "America, fuck yeah!". We beat the Russians. We did it.

We were all magnanimous about in peace for all mankind, but it was the United Fucking States of Fucking America and nobody else.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:14 PM (fuK7c)

It also made me want all the more to become an engineer and one day be able to proudly wear one of those pocket protectors.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:27 PM (ABjxW)

164 Its like a 6th grader saying "and stuff".


Nah. He had laid out the other things in the speech. The moon was just the sexy part.

Also, I know everyone here hates JFK but consider what he achieved by this speech. America took it as a personal challenge to land on the moon by 1969 and we did.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:27 PM (fuK7c)

165 I love the comment at the link:

Q: What is the hardest substance in the known universe?
A: Armstrong's and Aldrin's balls.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:28 PM (ABjxW)

166 Having a glass of Tang to commemorate the landing on the moon.

Posted by: AzDesertRat at July 20, 2019 01:28 PM (/2TXu)

167 Here is an excellent article that was linked at Transterrestrial Musings a few days ago. That's a good blog written by Rand Simberg, a retired aerospace engineer. He covers a lot of space-related topics, but writes about other things as well.

Anyway, the article he linked explains very well why NASA was able to do what it did 50 years ago, but can't do it today. In a nutshell, back then NASA spent money to do things. Today it does things to spend money.

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/nasas-next-50-years

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 01:29 PM (sdi6R)

168 166 Having a glass of Tang to commemorate the landing on the moon.
Posted by: AzDesertRat at July 20, 2019 01:28 PM (/2TXu)

Awesome. Wash down a Space Food Stick with a glass of that.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:29 PM (ABjxW)

169 It also made me want all the more to become an engineer and one day be able to proudly wear one of those pocket protectors.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:27 PM (ABjxW)

==========================
My Dad worked for Chrysler Missile in the late Fifties. He always wore a pocket protector

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 01:29 PM (Pqytn)

170 I've watched the entire space program with fascination since starting to read SF at age 10. I was not quite 14 when Sputnik went up. Dad never let me forget my reaction when he came in to wake me and my sister to tell us.

My reaction: "It's about time!"

Twelve years later, he and I watched the moon landing in my parents' recreation room. At that point, I was certain we'd have a lunar colony, and probably one on Mars, by now, with asteroid mining common.

Boyohboy, was I wrong!

Posted by: Empire1 at July 20, 2019 01:30 PM (ZWw89)

171 Yeah, I know it was laid out in the speech Bander and I don't hate on JFK (he wouldn't even be allowed in the Dem party today), but that wording just makes me laugh.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 20, 2019 01:30 PM (r+sAi)

172 The left always accuses "us" of what they are doing, as cover.


Trump/Russia was cover for Hillary/Russia ... Trump obstruction cover for Hillary actually destroying hard drives that were under subpoena.


Go back to the 60's and American success is now denounced as either fake or -- all profits/ideas stolen by using the black man, or stealing from poor nations. American Greatness is all denounced with one issue ... slavery. "Racism" (and its newer identity politics variants like transphobia, xenophobia, etc.) ... is their trump card on all issues.


imo this America Hate did not happen organically at all, it was the Soviet infiltration and continued march through American institutions. A foreign enemy funded, engineered, marched this hate pandemic, WMD.


imo their infiltration goes back to the NY Times awarding Duranty for lying about the Soviet genocide in Ukraine, or even before that). Some suggest even WW2 was extended (by WH infiltration by commies) -- peace deals were delayed so Russia had time to move far enough to gain territory after the war. (did they really need to turn half of freed Europe over to commies?)

But we have hope ... despite the massive efforts to censor truth on the internet, videos are still getting out that reveal in detail, the lies and propaganda. Trump to some degree, can drive the narrative that leads to exposure. Things that would never see the light of day are now exposed, even if they flood us with many fake conspiracy theories as diversion/disinformation. MAGA.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 20, 2019 01:31 PM (Cus5s)

173 Twelve years later, he and I watched the moon landing in my parents' recreation room. At that point, I was certain we'd have a lunar colony, and probably one on Mars, by now, with asteroid mining common.

Boyohboy, was I wrong!
Posted by: Empire1 at July 20, 2019 01:30 PM (ZWw89)

But you got Watergate, gas lines, double digit mortgage rates, the Ayatollah, and Disco.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:33 PM (ABjxW)

174 That real time video gave me goose bumps, just like when I watched is as a kid!

Posted by: Infidel at July 20, 2019 01:34 PM (BLFnH)

175 But you got Watergate, gas lines, double digit mortgage rates, the Ayatollah, and Disco.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:33 PM (ABjxW)

=========================
LOL. A succinct summary of the 1970s.

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 01:35 PM (Pqytn)

176 Cnn is not covering the moon landing anniversary at all.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:36 PM (PUmDY)

177 >>>Also, I know everyone here hates JFK but consider what he achieved by this speech. America took it as a personal challenge to land on the moon by 1969 and we did.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:27 PM (fuK7c)


LBJ used it to distract Americans from all the crap he was pulling on them. He never shut up.
"We've got to keep RFK's promise" He held that over every politicians head like a hammer.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 01:37 PM (w6992)

178 176 Cnn is not covering the moon landing anniversary at all.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:36 PM (PUmDY)

Just like the Brits don't cover the 4th of July. Their side lost.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:37 PM (ABjxW)

179 I loved grape tang.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:37 PM (PUmDY)

180 144 For Neil, Buzz, Mike, NASA and the rest of the Team.

Thanks!
--------

Listening to the recordings, we all owe a great debt of gratitude to Roger, whoever he was.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2019 01:38 PM (psL96)

181
My Dad worked for Chrysler Missile in the late Fifties. He always wore a pocket protector


Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 01:29 PM (Pqytn)


My father was a tool buyer for Lockheed in the 60"s and his collection of branded pocket protectors was impressive.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 20, 2019 01:40 PM (TAmPV)

182 Listening to the recordings, we all owe a great debt of gratitude to Roger, whoever he was.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2019 01:38 PM (psL96)

He did seemed to be a bit more busy than the city of Houston during the mission.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:40 PM (ABjxW)

183 If i see Alexander the Grape in a gas station, I buy all of them.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:41 PM (PUmDY)

184 168
Awesome. Wash down a Space Food Stick with a glass of that.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:29 PM (ABjxW)


I used to take a Space Food Stick in my lunchbox every day. Eventually I noticed that they just started calling them Food Sticks, and then they stopped being manufactured.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 01:42 PM (sdi6R)

185 159 Tell me if anybody else laughs when they hear in the JFK speech:
"We choose to go to the Moon and do the other things. "

Its like a 6th grader saying "and stuff". Otherwise good speech from the writer but it makes me laugh. Maybe just me.
---------------

"We choose to do these things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard"

That's what she said!!

Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2019 01:42 PM (psL96)

186 So as a commemoration, did Trump show a picture of himself gazing at the moon?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 20, 2019 01:42 PM (O2RFr)

187 >>I used to take a Space Food Stick in my lunchbox every day. Eventually I noticed that they just started calling them Food Sticks, and then they stopped being manufactured.
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 01:42 PM (sdi6R)

I think in the later 70s they were deemed to be haram and Carter banned them,

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2019 01:43 PM (ABjxW)

188
DJT was 16 years old when Kennedy was elected, and came of age at the height of Camelot.

I really think that JFK's brand of patriotism, optimism and his taste for the grand gesture was very influential on young Trump, and in many ways serves as his unacknowledged spirit animal today.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 20, 2019 01:44 PM (SqopC)

189 I liked the "family affair" picture of all the astronauts and their families. That's sweet. Thanks, K.T.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2019 01:46 PM (+0VWg)

190 And teddy Kennedy murdered Mary Jo o July 19 50 years ago. No Google for that anniversary??

Posted by: vivi at July 20, 2019 01:46 PM (11H2y)

191 What is a space food stick?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:46 PM (PUmDY)

192
Doesn't Nixon deserve a lot of credit for the Space Shuttle, then?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 20, 2019 01:48 PM (G0Jop)

193 Has Buzz Aldrin punched anyone today?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2019 01:48 PM (Nu8Is)

194
What is a space food stick?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:46 PM (PUmDY)

==========================
A stick of chocolate-covered soft tootsie roll LOADED with vitamins and minerals. Or think of it as a first-generation energy bar.

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 01:49 PM (Pqytn)

195
"Human Civilization peaked on July 20, 1969."
--Shih Tzu


Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 20, 2019 01:50 PM (G0Jop)

196 The best argument that the moon landing was not faked is that . . . duh, the Soviets would have been all over it, with pics of movie sets, recordings of Top Men discussing the fake, etc., etc. Plus, isn't there the technology now to see the flag on the Sea of Tranquility?

On that note, theme music:

https://youtu.be/JtaAWk6YLqQ

Posted by: logprof at July 20, 2019 01:51 PM (S7WbR)

197 I was thinking lik-m-aid.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:51 PM (PUmDY)

198 Fucking Google doodle today commemorates Moon
Landing with cheesy cartoon. Missing? Anything that would correctly
identify it with the United States.



No flag, no nothing.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 01:11 PM (NFEMn)


Would you expect anything different from that anti-American scum? I'm surprised they didn't put a tranny from Somalia instead

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 01:51 PM (UDD5g)

199 169
My Dad worked for Chrysler Missile in the late Fifties. He always wore a pocket protector

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 01:29 PM (Pqytn)


Yes, they built a lot of early hardware, including the Saturn I.

https://www.allpar.com/history/military/missiles.html

Scroll about halfway down to see a magazine ad showing Chrysler's line of missiles.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 01:52 PM (sdi6R)

200 My father was a tool buyer for Lockheed in the 60"s and his collection of branded pocket protectors was impressive.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 20, 2019 01:40 PM (TAmPV)
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Somebody at work found an old WANG pocket protector in a drawer and everybody fought for it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 20, 2019 01:52 PM (kQs4Y)

201 Doesn't Nixon deserve a lot of credit for the Space Shuttle, then?


I prefer to blame Carter for that.

We sent one guy up into space and down. Then we sent a guy all the way up and around. Then we sent two guys into space. Then we sent two guys into space and let one get out and walk around.

Then we sent three guys into space. Then we sent three guys all the way to the Moon and around it! Then we practiced parking in space. Then we sent three guys to the Moon and they landed on it and got out and walked around.

It seemed like life was going to be nothing but forward progress. We even started sending dune buggies to the Moon.

And then we got bored and said no, a shuttle bus is the metaphor for what our ambitions are now.

That feels like Carter.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:52 PM (fuK7c)

202 The only time I go to google is on special occasions to see how they fkd it up.

Posted by: Infidel at July 20, 2019 01:54 PM (BLFnH)

203
It seemed like life was going to be nothing but forward progress. We even started sending dune buggies to the Moon.


The volleyball nets and girls in bikinis were supposed to be next, is what you're saying?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 20, 2019 01:54 PM (G0Jop)

204 196 The best argument that the moon landing was not faked is that . . . duh, the Soviets would have been all over it, with pics of movie sets, recordings of Top Men discussing the fake, etc., etc.

Posted by: logprof at July 20, 2019 01:51 PM (S7WbR)


Even simpler than that were the radio transmissions. The Russians could certainly hear them. If they noticed that they were coming from Earth orbit rather than the vicinity of the Moon, they would have screamed bloody murder about it.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 01:55 PM (sdi6R)

205 I saw Moonraker in a theater.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 01:56 PM (PUmDY)

206 So did WANG win?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2019 01:56 PM (Nu8Is)

207 193 Has Buzz Aldrin punched anyone today?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2019 01:48 PM (Nu8Is)

Not yet. The day is still young, though.

If he runs into any more fat soy boys who say he faked his moon landing, he'd be perfectly justified.

And I'd put my money on Buzz. Every time.

Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2019 01:58 PM (4pK1/)

208 Ha!

Always bet on wang.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 20, 2019 01:59 PM (kQs4Y)

209 I was 7 years old when Apollo 11 landed. My Dad was an engineer at a company that built components for the program. I remember being so proud of my Dad for being part of something that actually landed us on the moon.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 20, 2019 02:02 PM (SqopC)

210 About 45 years later, the President of the United State created an immense celebration because a Muslim boy did the most amazing thing - he took the innards of a clock from one encasement and put into another. And here we are.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 20, 2019 02:03 PM (9+jnX)

211 Can't get through this thread without . . . space weed:

https://youtu.be/TEairxQ21ks

Posted by: logprof at July 20, 2019 02:06 PM (S7WbR)

212 Couple hours to go. Will repost timeline as soon as I get it up.

Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 02:07 PM (BbGew)

213 Is Lois Chiles still alive?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 02:07 PM (PUmDY)

214 Whatever happened to Wang? A father of one of my friends in grade school worked there. They had a Wang PC in their den - probably one of the ubiquitous 8086/8088 models that everybody made then. Maybe a Zilog. I'm sure there's a whole "Wangs for the memories" tribute page out there with all the details.

Without looking it up, I'll put my marker on: they got their lunch eaten from one side by IBM and DEC on the other and didn't make it out of the 1980s.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 02:09 PM (t+qrx)

215
Having a glass of Tang to commemorate the landing on the moon.


Posted by: AzDesertRat at July 20, 2019 01:28 PM (/2TXu)





Foster Brooks joke - Every morning I have a glass of Tang just like the astronauts. Except I put prunes in it. (audience laughs) What's the matter don't you guys like a little prune-tang in the morning?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 02:10 PM (UDD5g)

216 193 Has Buzz Aldrin punched anyone today?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2019 01:48 PM (Nu8Is)


Not yet.
Wait until some jackass interviews him about his talk with Trump. thump

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 02:13 PM (w6992)

217 https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/mobile/
This is mission control, you can go between the diffent guys at the consoles.
https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4029/Apollo_11i_Timeline.htm
We're at
CSM/LM undocked.
100:12:00.0
17:44:00
20 Jul 1969

Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 02:13 PM (BbGew)

218 We were all magnanimous about in peace for all mankind, but it was the United Fucking States of Fucking America and nobody else.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:14 PM (fuK7c)

---

I was six months old, so no memories.

Google can EABOD.

Well said.

Posted by: SMH at July 20, 2019 02:14 PM (RU4sa)

219
g'afternoon, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 20, 2019 02:15 PM (KCxzN)

220 201
And then we got bored and said no, a shuttle bus is the metaphor for what our ambitions are now.

That feels like Carter.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 01:52 PM (fuK7c)


These things have a long lead time, and actually the Shuttle program was started during the Nixon administration.

It's a long and complicated story, but essentially the idea was to use the shuttle to build a space station in Earth orbit. There were a number of proposals at first, but they made a lot of compromises in order to save money. Then they said, "well, we can't really afford both a shuttle and a space station."

The thing was, Saturn and Apollo were both mature and proven technologies. There were a number of ideas for cargo variations of the Saturn V that could have put up tremendous payloads into Earth orbit. But they threw all that away to start over from scratch. They ended up launching Skylab using leftover Apollo and Saturn hardware after those programs were cancelled. But there is no reason that they couldn't have built a number of Skylabs and linked them together to form the nucleus of a permanent space station.

I can't prove it, but I have a suspicion that there were people in the government and/or military who didn't like that our space program was so dependent on ex-Nazis from WWII and wanted to start over with a clean sheet.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 02:17 PM (sdi6R)

221 So did WANG win?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2019 01:56 PM (Nu8Is)

Wang ALWAYS wins

Posted by: Poalo at July 20, 2019 02:18 PM (NFEMn)

222 Hey, AltonJackson.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 20, 2019 02:18 PM (t+qrx)

223 America: From Apollo to WOKE & BROKE in 50 Years

https://youtu.be/E3o4i7NtkRI

Posted by: logprof at July 20, 2019 02:18 PM (S7WbR)

224 I can't prove it, but I have a suspicion that there were people in the government and/or military who didn't like that our space program was so dependent on ex-Nazis from WWII and wanted to start over with a clean sheet.


Interesting theory.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 02:20 PM (fuK7c)

225 193

I hope so. There are so many faces that need punching.

Posted by: Pleistocene Megafauna at July 20, 2019 02:20 PM (doAIC)

226
hey, hogmartin

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 20, 2019 02:22 PM (KCxzN)

227 Naming new space program Artemis is brilliant.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 02:23 PM (PUmDY)

228 Anna - sure you have been asked all day but
How's your Dad doing?

Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 02:26 PM (BbGew)

229 I can't pay no doctor bills
But whitey's on the moon
https://youtu.be/iuqU5XSo-1U

Posted by: Gil Scott-Heron at July 20, 2019 02:26 PM (mgW6M)

230 I think many people under 50, who have no personal recollection of the Nixon years, imagine that Nixon was a hero to conservatives-- somewhat like Goldwater or Reagan.

The opposite, of course, is the truth. Nixon famously said, "Conservatives-- can't win with them & can't win without them."

He was the quintessential GOPe moderate. Conservatives such as W.F. Buckley detested his price controls, & also disliked the way he prosecuted the Vietnam War.

The best that can be said for him is that he was dealt a poor hand, imo.

Posted by: mnw at July 20, 2019 02:26 PM (Cssks)

231 I can't prove it, but I have a suspicion that there were people in the government and/or military who didn't like that our space program was so dependent on ex-Nazis from WWII and wanted to start over with a clean sheet.
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Possibly, but wouldn't most of these guys be retired-or near it--by the mid '70's?

Posted by: Poalo at July 20, 2019 02:29 PM (NFEMn)

232 Wang ALWAYS wins
Posted by: Poalo at July 20, 2019 02:18 PM (NFEMn)

sure, keep thinking that, sailor

Posted by: poon-tang at July 20, 2019 02:32 PM (dm05u)

233 I think many people under 50, who have no personal recollection of the Nixon years, imagine that Nixon was a hero to conservatives-- somewhat like Goldwater or Reagan.

The opposite, of course, is the truth. Nixon famously said, "Conservatives-- can't win with them & can't win without them."

He was the quintessential GOPe moderate. Conservatives such as W.F. Buckley detested his price controls, & also disliked the way he prosecuted the Vietnam War.

The best that can be said for him is that he was dealt a poor hand, imo.
Posted by: mnw at July 20, 2019 02:26 PM (Cssks)

I think you're right and I also think young people believe he started the Vietnam War.

I give him a bit of a pass because of the times--and because of the fact that they were out to get him from day one.

Posted by: Poalo at July 20, 2019 02:32 PM (NFEMn)

234 Off Poalo sock

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 02:33 PM (NFEMn)

235 Marco!

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 20, 2019 02:36 PM (PUmDY)

236 I think you're right and I also think young people believe he started the Vietnam War.

Because of Pearl Harbor.

The MSM and public education never sleep.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 02:36 PM (YqDXo)

237 231
Possibly, but wouldn't most of these guys be retired-or near it--by the mid '70's?

Posted by: Poalo at July 20, 2019 02:29 PM (NFEMn)


True; von Braun himself died in the mid-70s shortly after Apollo. But much of the hardware had been designed and built by him and his team. Like I said, I can't prove anything.

It could have been as simple as different aerospace companies having different supporters in Washington, and somebody decided that their favorite needed a contract to build new hardware.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 02:36 PM (sdi6R)

238

I think a lot of what killed the space program was all of the bitching about spending all of that money on space when people on Earth are starving and poor so let's pour billions into welfare and turn once prosperous cities into 3rd world shitholes.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 02:37 PM (UDD5g)

239 The space shuttle is **WHITE**.

Need I say more?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 20, 2019 02:38 PM (FiUMj)

240 I think a lot of what killed the space program was all of the bitching about spending all of that money on space when people on Earth are starving and poor so let's pour billions into welfare and turn once prosperous cities into 3rd world shitholes.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 02:37 PM (UDD5g)

--Tru dat

Before NASA became just another SJW make-work program, it had a great ROI in terms of scientific knowledge and new tech.

Posted by: logprof at July 20, 2019 02:39 PM (S7WbR)

241 I think a lot of what killed the space program was all of the bitching about spending all of that money on space when people on Earth are starving and poor so let's pour billions into welfare and turn once prosperous cities into 3rd world shitholes.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 02:37 PM (UDD5g)

This.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 02:39 PM (NFEMn)

242 I give him a bit of a pass because of the times--and because of the fact that they were out to get him from day one.
Posted by: Poalo at July 20, 2019 02:32 PM (NFEMn)


Because of Alger Hiss.

Read Whitaker Chambers's "Witness." Chambers gave Nixon major props for taking down Hiss just when it looked as though Hiss would skate. The NYT and WaPo were all-in on supporting Hiss and viciously excoriated Chambers (alleging he was an alcoholic, a homosexual, and a nut, IIRC).

It looked as though the whole thing would go away with Chambers discredited and Hiss vindicated. Then Nixon got involved, and ended up reversing that trend, with Hiss being convicted of perjury and discredited as a Soviet asset (later established by the VENONA decrypts).

The NYT and WaPo never forgave him for that, and those of us were sentient at that time remember how they went after Nixon tong and hammer, day after day after day after day, along with the alphabet networks. (It was not unusual that network news of that day started with "There were no new developments today in the Watergate scandal that has enveloped President Nixon and his Administration." No news? That's the news?)

And they finally got him. If they'd 1% as much agitating against Barky, he'd be in Club Fed right now.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 02:42 PM (YqDXo)

243 I think you're right and I also think young people believe he started the Vietnam War.

Because of Pearl Harbor.

The MSM and public education never sleep.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 02:36 PM (YqDXo)

Also, The Pentagon Papers.

Nixon fought to keep papers from JFK and LBJ from being made public.
People probably think it was his own ass he was trying to protect.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 20, 2019 02:42 PM (NFEMn)

244 I clearly remember Jesse Jackson leading a protest at one of the later Apollo launches, maybe Apollo 16.

Yeah, instead of spending money to do great things, let's just give it to poor people so they can buy booze and cigarettes. Great idea.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 02:43 PM (sdi6R)

245 I would love to see humans back on the moon, Mars would be even more awesome but that is a major undertaking. And might piss of the Martians.

Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 02:43 PM (BbGew)

246 I give him a bit of a pass because of the times--and because of the fact that they were out to get him from day one.

I got to have a correspondence (typrewriters, stamps on an envelope) with an old half-uncle. He was a union guy, starting on the docks in San Francisco. Ended up President of the Masters, Mates, and Pilots union. Fascinating guy.

Anyway, I thought everyone hated Nixon because of VietNam and Watergate and hippies hating square culture.

Uncle Bob had hated Nixon since 1948 because of the Alger Hiss (yes, he was guilty) investigation. Nixon hate goes back a long way.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 02:43 PM (fuK7c)

247 "... because of solar radiation the flag on the moon is likely white by now."

I wonder how long before the metal itself breaks down, and the whole thing returns to dust. I suppose most metal would endure a long time, but any rubber/plastic must be dust by now? Thank God for the magnetosphere.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 20, 2019 02:45 PM (Cus5s)

248 Guevara, we were making the same point at the same time. Funny old Horde.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 02:46 PM (fuK7c)

249

Zombie said that schools in San Fran were teaching that Nixon started the Viet Nam war.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2019 02:48 PM (aKsyK)

250 Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 02:17 PM (sdi6R)

Yeah. *Skylab, at the onset, was ambitious, cool, and a logical next step to further exploration.
I don't think it was the Nazi thing as much as it was DeepState push back on Nixon.

The idea of Nixon's name on the next big step to outer space would not be tolerated.


*The Disney show, every Sunday, had a vignette with vonBraun talking about space and rockets.
It was his vision of a circular wheel (space station) rotating to create an artificial gravity for a more natural working environment.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 02:50 PM (w6992)

251 Today NASA is building a giant new rocket called the Space Launch System, or SLS, along with the Orion spacecraft.

SLS uses 1970s technology developed for the Space Shuttle. But it will be bigger than the Saturn V!

Orion is basically a larger version of Apollo. It has been in development for 15 years and has not yet flown.

Oh, and there isn't a lunar lander or any money budgeted for actual missions. Presumably the missions and the money will just materialize at some point.

There is a reason that SLS is derisively called the Senate Launch System. It's being forced on NASA by Congress. The whole thing makes the F-35 program look frugal by comparison.

Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 02:53 PM (sdi6R)

252 I read this week the flag staff on the moon was only into the ground a few inches, not a whole lot to stand the test of time.

Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 02:54 PM (BbGew)

253 Zombie said that schools in San Fran were teaching that Nixon started the Viet Nam war.



Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2019 02:48 PM (aKsyK)


Nixon was president in 1964?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 02:54 PM (UDD5g)

254 Yes, they built a lot of early hardware, including the Saturn I.



https://www.allpar.com/history/military/missiles.html



Scroll about halfway down to see a magazine ad showing Chrysler's line of missiles.





Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 01:52 PM (sdi6R)

=========================
Thanks! I sent my Dad the link and he told me that he'd give it a read.

Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2019 02:55 PM (Pqytn)

255 America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damned well pleased.

- P. J. O'Rourke
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America, F Yeah!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 20, 2019 02:57 PM (IuPpm)

256 253
Nixon was president in 1964?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 02:54 PM (UDD5g)


1964, 1864, what's the difference?

Posted by: SJW at July 20, 2019 02:58 PM (sdi6R)

257 Twelve years later, he and I watched the moon
landing in my parents' recreation room. At that point, I was certain
we'd have a lunar colony, and probably one on Mars, by now, with
asteroid mining common.



Boyohboy, was I wrong!

Posted by: Empire1 at July 20, 2019 01:30 PM (ZWw89)


Well we do have a flag on Mars

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 02:59 PM (UDD5g)

258 " "There were no new developments today in the
Watergate scandal that has enveloped President Nixon and his
Administration." No news? That's the news?)



And they finally got him. If they'd 1% as much agitating against Barky, he'd be in Club Fed right now" Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


JFK spoke against the DeepState ... ended up dead.

Eisenhower spoke of the military/government joint industrial complex, survived, but didn't stop them.


Nixon won a landslide vote on populism, got us out of Vietnam with a win ... DeepState removed him, then Dems (commies) defunded S Vietnam despite Ford efforts, our old allies were butchered, helicopter escape from embassy as commies rolled tanks in.


Reagan was tethered to CIA/DeepState Bush, but also started the globalism and deficit spending, even though he fought some of it (Harley), the "global free trade" myth began then.


Clinton/Bush/Obama ... tools of the globalists, DC and WallSt and globalists merged, it would seem. Now they try to take down another populist America First president ... outcome unknown.


CIA/Media/Dems/DeepState ... seem to have been in charge for along time. Schumer says they have six ways from Sunday to get you, better to submit.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 20, 2019 02:59 PM (Cus5s)

259 Now that we aren't spending all of that money on space travel, there are no more starving people, right?

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at July 20, 2019 03:00 PM (b7tUd)

260 Tinfoil hat on....

The Epstein saga is a Deep State plan to get Trump. They arrest him and offer him a deal: say Trump was in on the action and you get a suspended sentence. And the "evidence" is Acosta who was given a spot in the Trump administration as payback for making all the unpleasantness go away back in the 2000s.

Tinfoil hat off....

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 20, 2019 03:04 PM (FiUMj)

261

Another problem is the country is getting dumber. For a lot of people their entire world is their phone and they eat up the bullshit that is pushed by the MFM and Big Tech. They don't want to think or act like adults. Which is why the whole lie of socialism is getting popular

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 03:04 PM (UDD5g)

262 Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 20, 2019 03:04 PM (FiUMj)
********
NOPE! if he was involved with Epstein that would have come out during Rep. Primary

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 20, 2019 03:05 PM (BqBId)

263 253 Zombie said that schools in San Fran were teaching that Nixon started the Viet Nam war.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2019 02:48 PM (aKsyK)
----------------------

Nixon was president in 1964?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 02:54 PM (UDD5g)
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Kennedy sent military *advisers* to Nam.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 03:06 PM (w6992)

264 159 Tell me if anybody else laughs when they hear in the JFK speech:
"We choose to go to the Moon and do the other things. "

Its like a 6th grader saying "and stuff". Otherwise good speech from the writer but it makes me laugh. Maybe just me.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 20, 2019 01:24 PM (r+sAi)

He mumbled it and I missed what he'd said!

Posted by: m at July 20, 2019 03:06 PM (u5MYq)

265 what if Michael Avenatti had a Press Conference & absolutely no Press people showed up??? well here it is ********
http://bit.ly/2Z3ggDH
********
HAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 20, 2019 03:07 PM (BqBId)

266 Nixon was president in 1964?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 02:54 PM (UDD5g)

Could have been.

Posted by: Cook County Machine at July 20, 2019 03:07 PM (NFEMn)

267 Kennedy sent military *advisers* to Nam.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 03:06 PM (w6992)


Yes, but I was just referencing the Gulf of Tonkin which really kick things off in Vietnam

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 03:07 PM (UDD5g)

268 The country as a whole may be getting dumber; However, there is a segment of our population that is smarter and better educated than ever.
And most of them are conservative.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 03:09 PM (w6992)

269 Could have been.

Posted by: Cook County Machine at July 20, 2019 03:07 PM (NFEMn)


It makes me wonder how different things would have been if Nixon officially won the election. No LBJ at the very least

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 03:10 PM (UDD5g)

270 Kennedy sent military *advisers* to Nam.


Yeah, well we have troops in 150 countries now. Putting a boot on the ground doesn't mean you have to commit to war.

Johnson started it. McNamara told him in 1965 that it couldn't be won. The two of them were so scared of the accusations of weakness and betraying JFK's legacy that they kept it going. There were fewer than 2,000 American dead by the end of 1965.

The other 56,000 were a waste.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 03:11 PM (fuK7c)

271 Starving people?
LBJ stopped all that with the Great Society

Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 03:14 PM (BbGew)

272 Johnson started it. McNamara told him in 1965 that
it couldn't be won. The two of them were so scared of the accusations
of weakness and betraying JFK's legacy that they kept it going. There
were fewer than 2,000 American dead by the end of 1965.



The other 56,000 were a waste.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 03:11 PM (fuK7c)


This would have been my handling of the war. Go on TV and tell the American people and Homo Chi Minh, that if the incursions into South Vietnam and support of the Viet Cong doesn't end I will wipe a North Vietnamese city off of the map every week. I will make Dresden 1945 look like a wienie roast. I will spare nothing. Now Homo, you have the power to stop it, so you decide.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2019 03:18 PM (UDD5g)

273 TheQuietMan, may I subscribe to your newsletter as this is the same sentiment that should be addressed to Iran.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2019 03:22 PM (BZzXD)

274 Next hoax racist hate crime is breaking here in Georgia. Some black state legislator claims she was in the wrong check out line at Publix and an evil white man yelled at her and, called her lazy and ignorant. Oh, and he also said "Go back to where you came from!" Imagine that, what are the odds?

But to skeptics she has proof. She has posted a video describing the incident and crying. And her little girl is terrified too!

All the elements of a typical hate crime . Well, not the big black pick-up with a confederate flag and MAGA sticker but we all know it was there.

Posted by: Ripley at July 20, 2019 03:23 PM (MxEKc)

275
Some black state legislator claims she was in the wrong check out line at Publix and an evil white man yelled at her and, called her lazy and ignorant. Oh, and he also said "Go back to where you came from!"



The frozen food aisle?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 20, 2019 03:26 PM (TAmPV)

276 I remember reading somewhere that the PAVN leadership realized in 1965-66 that to defeat the Americans it would take about 1 to 2 million casualties on their side in a protracted war.

They were happy to do it.

Now when Linebacker II put the PAVN leadership's asses in a sling, they were happy to pretend to make peace.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 20, 2019 03:27 PM (Z+IKu)

277
But to skeptics she has proof. She has posted a video describing the incident and crying. And her little girl is terrified too!


Let's see the stores security camera video.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 20, 2019 03:28 PM (TAmPV)

278 "But to skeptics she has proof. She has posted a video describing the incident and crying. And her little girl is terrified too!





Let's see the stores security camera video.

Posted by: Flawless Male"

She made a fatal mistake. She filed a police report, like Jussie. This swill be exposed as fraud if they investigate. Then sent down the memroy hole.

Posted by: Ripley at July 20, 2019 03:32 PM (MxEKc)

279 Experience has shown:

Black + Female + Democrat (I presume) = Liar & Idiot.

Posted by: Vlad the implaer, whittling away like mad at July 20, 2019 03:32 PM (dmoiP)

280 she was in the wrong check out line at Publix

Did they have a whites only check ou tline, or the person was in the 20 items only with 60 things in their basket and the white person yelled out "Go back to the regular order line?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2019 03:34 PM (+0VWg)

281 "Did they have a whites only check ou tline, or the
person was in the 20 items only with 60 things in their basket and the
white person yelled out "Go back to the regular order line?



Posted by: FenelonSpoke"

She had too many items for the quick check-out line which she admits. At the very most somebody told her to get in the right line and made a snide remark. but that is an racist hate these days. And all her twatter followers are dutifully denouncing Trumps climate of hate and white southerners.

Posted by: Ripley at July 20, 2019 03:38 PM (MxEKc)

282 It's only a matter of time if Democrats ( Socialist) take over hate speech will be a crime.

Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 03:44 PM (BbGew)

283
It's only a matter of time if Democrats ( Socialist) take over hate speech will be a crime.
Posted by: Skip


Joy Behar was wondering why Trump hasn't been arrested for "hate speech."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2019 03:48 PM (aKsyK)

284 HMS Montrose had been dispatched to rescue the British tanker but arrived ten minutes to late.

Video of capture included.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y48fxvuy

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 03:52 PM (w6992)

285 https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/mobile/
Getting to last 25 minutes

Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 03:52 PM (BbGew)

286 They have many of those little speed boats.
Good target practice for shooters with M-14s.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 03:53 PM (w6992)

287 Or a Ma Deuce

Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 04:03 PM (BbGew)

288 Not much sport with the Deuce.

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 04:08 PM (w6992)

289 244 I clearly remember Jesse Jackson leading a protest at one of the later Apollo launches, maybe Apollo 16.

Yeah, instead of spending money to do great things, let's just give it to poor people so they can buy booze and cigarettes. Great idea.
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2019 02:43 PM (sdi6R)


"Poor people" translation: "blacks." Jesse Jackson didn't want money given to poor people generally.

See also "Southern Poverty Law Center."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 20, 2019 04:16 PM (YqDXo)

290
Well, I gotta hand it to the canucks... taking it to the next level.

Here, it's "bake the cake, bitch."

There, it's "wax my balls, bitch."

That guy is a bastard, even by American gay mafia standards.

Posted by: Friedman's Doctor at July 20, 2019 04:20 PM (5aX2M)

291 Off, chin doctor sock.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 20, 2019 04:21 PM (5aX2M)

292 ???

Posted by: why haven't we been back at July 20, 2019 04:36 PM (ym5eo)

293 Johnson started it. McNamara told him in 1965 that
it couldn't be won. The two of them were so scared of the accusations
of weakness and betraying JFK's legacy that they kept it going. There
were fewer than 2,000 American dead by the end of 1965.



The other 56,000 were a waste.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2019 03:11 PM (fuK7c)

Perhaps Goldwater ends it "one way or another" if he's elected.

But daisy video.

Posted by: Cook County Machine at July 20, 2019 04:56 PM (NFEMn)

294 If only we hadn't gone to the Moon, no one would be poor today.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 20, 2019 04:57 PM (oVJmc)

295 [A Google] joint venture with newspaper publishing company McClatchy to revive local news. ... .

The Compass Experiment, part of the Google News Initiative, aims to develop sustainable business models for local news organizations. It plans to launch digital platforms in three mid-sized communities

http://preview.tinyurl.com/y5qnzpj5

Posted by: Rolin Martian at July 20, 2019 05:00 PM (w6992)

296 285 https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/mobile/
Getting to last 25 minutes
Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2019 03:52 PM (BbGew)

Thank you, Skip!

Posted by: m at July 20, 2019 05:28 PM (u5MYq)

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