AG Barr: I Think I've Figured Out a Way to Put the Citizenship Question Back on the Census

Via Matt Vespa at Townhall, the Post and Courrier reported that Barr told the press, "I think over the next day or two you'll see what approach we're taking and I think it does provide a pathway for getting the question on the census."

Expect some shrieking. The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:59 PM




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1 Foist

Posted by: FrodoB at July 09, 2019 04:05 PM (mnNV7)

2 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (q80AH)

3 nd

Posted by: FrodoB at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (mnNV7)

4 Probably around 12th.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (J+mig)

5 hey

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (M9ntN)

6

Use a Sharpie.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (aKsyK)

7 Expect some shrieking. The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason.

Posted by Ace of Spades at 03:59 PM Comments

He likes to pretend he's a little girl.

Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (RD7QR)

8 They called up Johannes Gutenberg?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (6qErC)

9 I honestly don't know whether it's a good thing or bad thing in the end but I think it's an honest question that should be asked.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (aXucN)

10 Expect some shrieking. The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason.

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"Barr's soul has been stolen by magical creature, Donald Trump!"
-David French, serious person you should take seriously

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (q80AH)

11 Expect some shrieking. The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason.

Will there also be skirts held over heads? That's important, but only in some cases. David French would not be one of those cases.

Posted by: pep at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (T6t7i)

12 He likes to pretend he's a little girl.
Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (RD7QR)
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*furrows brow*

Pretend?

Posted by: Blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (qC1Sy)

13 Call it a tax?

Posted by: SH at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (sX1BW)

14 Will there also be skirts held over heads?

>>
How about rending of clothes?

Posted by: FrodoB at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (mnNV7)

15 9 I honestly don't know whether it's a good thing or bad thing in the end but I think it's an honest question that should be asked.
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (aXucN)

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I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)

16 I'm surprised we are allowed to ask this question at the border and airports.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 09, 2019 04:08 PM (2LelM)

17 The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason.

maybe, but he'll be doing it through a pillow

Posted by: Mistress Midnight Flame at July 09, 2019 04:08 PM (3aB9K)

18 Old question: Are you an illegal?New question: Do you identify as an illegal?

Posted by: pep at July 09, 2019 04:08 PM (T6t7i)

19
Hmm, this would be the first actual action that he actually acts, won't it? Everything to now has been #TwoWeeks.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 09, 2019 04:08 PM (M9ntN)

20 "Barr's soul has been stolen by magical creature, Donald Trump!"
-David French, serious person you should take seriously
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (q80AH)

Surprised they haven't figured it out. The magical creature is the Golden Scalp Weasel. You only ever see them as familiars of high-level sorcerers.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at July 09, 2019 04:08 PM (J+mig)

21 Really liking this Barr fellow!!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (bDqIh)

22 14
Will there also be skirts held over heads?

>>
How about rending of clothes?


Posted by: FrodoB



Rending of garments and gnashing of teeth is implied.

Posted by: pep at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (T6t7i)

23 Also, I live here and I didn't hear anything about this: last Friday (7/5), Trump went out and shook hands and took photos with a bunch of people waiting in line to tour the White House. He was even letting people come under the rope to have their picture taken with him. Very nice to see.

https://youtu.be/i0yJjewCSPc

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (aXucN)

24 First thing Barr did was remove the old team of lawyers from the case and brought in new ones. I read that old team wanted to drop the case because, get this, they were embarrassed to go back to court with another justification for the question.

Posted by: WisRich at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (G0vdT)

25
Every damn job application I fill out requires me to answer whether I am legally allowed to work in the US.

Ignore the Judiciary. Time to dick punch Marbury v Madison for good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (zBaqJ)

26 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)

That's what they fear. Proof of their electoral shenanigans.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (J+mig)

27 AG Barr: I Think I've Figured Out a Way to Put the Citizenship Question Back on the Census


Tell SCOTUS to LOLGF?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (oVJmc)

28 whew

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (bcbK8)

29 A real AG, doing real AG stuff.


How refreshing!


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (sy5kK)

30 SCREAM AND LEAP!

By Barr, onto the anti-census question people. It's about time we had an AG who was not totally corrupt and/or asleep.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (ClOmq)

31 24 First thing Barr did was remove the old team of lawyers from the case and brought in new ones. I read that old team wanted to drop the case because, get this, they were embarrassed to go back to court with another justification for the question.

Posted by: WisRich at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (G0vdT)

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"It's not really unprecedented, but if we call it 'sort of unprecedented', we'll be able to cast the effort in a bad light!"
-The nonpartisan media

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (q80AH)

32 So is a Matt Vespa something a fat chick rides?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (bcbK8)

33 "Are you NOT a citizen of the United States of America?"

Posted by: andycanuck at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (Dh1wo)

34 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)
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Good point, but unless they do the census at the same time as every presidential election, they'll just explain away any discrepancies.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (aXucN)

35
If you've ever swam the Rio Grande check here.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (TAmPV)

36 How's that go? When in panic, fear and doubt, run in circles, scream and shout?

Burma Shave ?

Posted by: zeera My tomatos are doing GREAT at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (T9rmq)

37 He likes to pretend he's a little girl.


ORLY?

Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (oVJmc)

38 8 They called up Johannes Gutenberg?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (6qErC)

Little known fact, it another German, Johannnes Glutenberg, was the first known ass man.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (JgA4k)

39 Bill Barr is revealing himself to be one of, if not the, best of Trump's pics.

Posted by: makatta at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (Y7Qzg)

40 "15 9 I honestly don't know whether it's a good thing or bad thing in the end but I think it's an honest question that should be asked.
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (aXucN)

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I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH) "



I'm expecting that we will find out that 40 million is an undercount.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (I1oSB)

41 Barr, a wartime consigliere.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (yN3p4)

42 26 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)

That's what they fear. Proof of their electoral shenanigans.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (J+mig)

===========

Can you imagine the silence from the media?

1-2 million more votes than legal voters in the largest state in the union, and the NYT would cover it with a single story on page 19 of a Wednesday paper.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (q80AH)

43 First thing Barr did was remove the old team of lawyers from the case and brought in new ones. I read that old team wanted to drop the case because, get this, they were embarrassed to go back to court with another justification for the question.

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Yeah... right. Just the usual bureaucrat ploy to foil a Trump agenda item.

I heard the scrunt who abruptly pulled the plug ordered the ballots to print.

If so, she should be held liable for the entire botched press run. I bet it runs to hundreds of thousands of $$$, at least.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (AzW6q)

44 I honestly don't know whether it's a good thing or bad thing in the end but I think it's an honest question that should be asked.
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (aXucN)

I think it's absolutely essential that the country know how many of its residents are citizens, or non-citizens.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (abNpZ)

45 The Trumpian smell of VICTORY!

The Courts are meddling.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (DuZls)

46 AG Barr: I Think I've Figured Out a Way to Put the Citizenship Question Back on the Census

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Chief Justice Roberts, is this you with Jeffery Epstein?

Posted by: SH at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (sX1BW)

47 Man, these days it's "David French" this, and "David French" that around here?

What happened, ace? Maybe we weren't BFFs, but I thought we were FFs.

Posted by: Brian "Tater" Stetler at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (4a5K+)

48 At last, a creative lawyer on "our" side!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (AZxMX)

49 Does the SC read the polls?

Posted by: Regular joe at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (6/uwW)

50 Is your pronoun Mr. or El?

Posted by: DaveA at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (FhXTo)

51 Trump went out and shook hands and took photos with a bunch of people waiting in line to tour the White House.

Tell me that man doesn't have the common touch.

Posted by: pep at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (T6t7i)

52 How about rending of clothes?"

Sackcloth.

And some ashes.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (6qErC)

53 46 AG Barr: I Think I've Figured Out a Way to Put the Citizenship Question Back on the Census

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Chief Justice Roberts, is this you with Jeffery Epstein?
Posted by: SH at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (sX1BW)


"I don't have eyes in the back of my head, dude."

- - Chief Justice Roberts

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (zBaqJ)

54 34 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)
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Good point, but unless they do the census at the same time as every presidential election, they'll just explain away any discrepancies.
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (aXucN)

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California is losing people, not gaining them. Trying to use current numbers to justify it is just backwards.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (q80AH)

55 How about hanging them upside down until they confess?

And then launching them back across the border.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (sm6Pk)

56 I wonder why judges are suddenly acting unjust?

I mean, Trump, of course. But it's weird having these black robed fascists passing judgement on shit way outside their wheelhouse.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (bcbK8)

57 I think I hear the lactations of their women.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (DuZls)

58

Giant sucking sound

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (aKsyK)

59 "women".

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (DuZls)

60 Every Democrat volunteer will be helpfully filling in the "Yes" box for them.

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (NpvYf)

61 I'm expecting that we will find out that 40 million is an undercount.


Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM

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Yep and nobody wants the truth to come out because then 80% of US Citizens would be calling for a real deportation force.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (JUOKG)

62 46 AG Barr: I Think I've Figured Out a Way to Put the Citizenship Question Back on the Census

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Chief Justice Roberts, is this you with Jeffery Epstein?
Posted by: SH at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (sX1BW)
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Snort.

Posted by: Blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (qC1Sy)

63 Sometimes you question the Barr...
and...
sometimes the Barr questions you.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (cFjO7)

64 7 Expect some shrieking. The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason.

Posted by Ace of Spades at 03:59 PM Comments

He likes to pretend he's a little girl.
Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (RD7QR)

Well, Hello there!

Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (jp0Bv)

65
Oh for fucks sake.

That question has been on the census for the last 80 years. It was removed by Teh One for the 2010 census.

You can ask your race, religion, health history, how many bathrooms you have and if you have pets.

But now you cant ask if you're a citizen. Because of extreme woke theatre or some shit.

Put the damn question on the census, then add "but first you will blow me".

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (8XRCm)

66 49 Does the SC read the polls?
Posted by: Regular joe at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (6/uwW)

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I don't know, but it seems like Roberts at least used to take John Brennan's calls.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (q80AH)

67 57 I think I hear the lactations of their women.
Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (DuZls)


Udder nonsense...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (zBaqJ)

68 A day is coming when a David French tweet will cause eyes to roll beyond the point of return.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (JgA4k)

69 >>I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.


THIS

Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (bDqIh)

70 They also don't want the real number of illegals to be revealed as closer to 50 million than the fabled 11 million.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (oVJmc)

71 42 26 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)

That's what they fear. Proof of their electoral shenanigans.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (J+mig)

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Can you imagine the silence from the media?

1-2 million more votes than legal voters in the largest state in the union, and the NYT would cover it with a single story on page 19 of a Wednesday paper.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (q80AH)

They wouldn't cover it at all.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (bcbK8)

72 Trump went out and shook hands and took photos with a bunch of people waiting in line to tour the White House.

Tell me that man doesn't have the common touch.
Posted by: pep at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (T6t7i)


Trump is probably the best natural politician since Bill Clinton. Hell, I'd love to see a campaign between 2020 Trump and 2006 Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (wCmLp)

73 I wonder why judges are suddenly acting unjust?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (bcbK
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TDS is a street drug.

BDS was a useful term. TDS, more and more, describes an episode.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (DuZls)

74 I can't spare this man, he shrieks.

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln, Talking About David French at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (9vQJW)

75 66 49 Does the SC read the polls?
Posted by: Regular joe at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (6/uwW)

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I don't know, but it seems like Roberts at least used to take John Brennan's calls.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (q80AH)

And his haram cock

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (bcbK8)

76 David French skreeching?
So, another day ending in 'Y'?

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (TkuZ0)

77 AG Barr: I Think I've Figured Out a Way to Put the Citizenship Question Back on the Census

Yeah, me, too. Click "Print..."

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (NpvYf)

78 Like Nike. Just do it.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (ATv6t)

79 74 I can't spare this man, he shrieks.
Posted by: Abraham Lincoln, Talking About David French at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (9vQJW)

Bwa ha ha

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (bcbK8)

80 Expect some shrieking. The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason.

Posted by Ace of Spades at 03:59 PM Comments

He likes to pretend he's a little girl.
Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (RD7QR)

Well, Hello there!
Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (jp0Bv)




Back off, pal!

I got me some serious hair sniffing to do here.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (2EMYr)

81 >>>AG Barr: I Think I've Figured Out a Way to Put the Citizenship Question Back on the Census



The tits will not be calm.

Posted by: davidt at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (iMSq7)

82 I see where the IG interviewed Steele in London...the press is desperately playing it up as if, hey, they went there and saw how yugely competent this idiot is!

Brexit has Parliament over a barrel - they need the US - expect to see Steele and other yugely competent idiots thrown under the bus to appease Trump.

Posted by: Boswell at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (32YRo)

83 71 Can you imagine the silence from the media?

1-2 million more votes than legal voters in the largest state in the union, and the NYT would cover it with a single story on page 19 of a Wednesday paper.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (q80AH)

They wouldn't cover it at all.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (bcbK

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That have to cover it at least once in a place no one will notice or care. That way, when Trump and the right side of America says that the NYT ignored a huge story, they can play the "We're non-partisan" game by pointing to the single story they ran and no one read.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (q80AH)

84 38 8 They called up Johannes Gutenberg?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (6qErC)

Little known fact, it another German, Johannnes Glutenberg, was the first known ass man.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (JgA4k)

Frälein got back

Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (RD7QR)

85 "Judge Roberts' decision said we had the power to include this question but we had depraved intent.

Upon review, our considered opinion is 'nuh-uh,' so the question is hereby included.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (oVJmc)

86 it another German, Johannnes Glutenberg, was the first known ass man."

Tight, he was...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (6qErC)

87 Udder nonsense...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (zBaqJ)

Dayum JJ, you're still good in the late afternoon!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (AZxMX)

88 Gah! Fräulein

Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (RD7QR)

89 Thirst!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (Dkm+q)

90 It is rather amazing that per the SCOTUS you need a good reason to ask a question to certify that people who shouldn't be counted for representational apportionment because those people could potentially be deported and ie not be representable.


I might have not phrased the above sentence properly but you get the gist.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (UWptD)

91 Put the damn question on the census, then add "but first you will blow me".
Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (8XRCm)

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The real beauty of it?

These illegals were lying on that question in their millions, heretofore. Many, I'm sure, simply dodge the census - it's not hard. But those who took it, certainly lied.

Now that the media has made a Huge Deal™ out of this, many more will be spooked about it, and not answer the census at all, and not be counted for the precious apportionments they're looking to pad.

Whoops!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (AzW6q)

92 Trump is probably the best natural politician since Bill Clinton. Hell,
I'd love to see a campaign between 2020 Trump and 2006 Bill Clinton.


I assume you mean 1992 Bill Clinton. By 2006, he was showing signs of tertiary syphilis.

Posted by: pep at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (T6t7i)

93 Racist!

Oh sorry. Got carried away by a he moment.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (MAv19)

94 The conservative case for opening up U.S. elections to voting by all world citizens and their pets.

Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (U9Kwu)

95 73 I wonder why judges are suddenly acting unjust?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (bcbK
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TDS is a street drug.

BDS was a useful term. TDS, more and more, describes an episode.
Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (DuZls)

A psychotic episode

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (bcbK8)

96 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.

I think I read there were districts in Philadelphia or someplace that had 100% turnout and 100% of the votes went to Obama.

Which is a similar deal.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (l8gTz)

97 Sometimes you question the Barr...
and...
sometimes the Barr questions you.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (cFjO7)
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Yeah, just remember how the Dems spoke not a word as the Deputy AG talked about interference of Congressmen exercising oversight.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (DuZls)

98 OT: Epstein's lawyers have offered to name the people who paid him for sex with little girls in exchange for a five-year sentence. I don't like the way this is worded. I'm pretty sure Billy Bob didn't pay shit.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (hjaPQ)

99 I had it figured out as soon as the judge said it couldn't be done.
Just put it in there just to screw with them.

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (BbGew)

100 23 Also, I live here and I didn't hear anything about this: last Friday (7/5), Trump went out and shook hands and took photos with a bunch of people waiting in line to tour the White House. He was even letting people come under the rope to have their picture taken with him. Very nice to see.

https://youtu.be/i0yJjewCSPc
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (aXucN)

Dang, I was there at Christmas and I was so hoping he would do that.

Posted by: annem at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (bM37c)

101 I think it's absolutely essential that the country know how many of its residents are citizens, or non-citizens.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (abNpZ)
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I do too, make no mistake about that. It's just that I read a few articles when the ruling came down that made me think it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing to leave the question off. I just can't remember the arguments though, because I'm not that smart.

I'm not sure how good a count we would get in the end though because illegals just wouldn't answer the question. Or fill out the census form at all, perhaps.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (aXucN)

102 They also don't want the real number of illegals to be revealed as closer to 50 million than the fabled 11 million.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles


No one believes 11 million.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (ATv6t)

103 Good. am thoroughly sick of these illegals.

Posted by: IC at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (a0IVu)

104 Proposed Question:

"At what age did you first have sex with a high-ranking Democrat?"

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (NAs56)

105 84 38 8 They called up Johannes Gutenberg?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (6qErC)

Little known fact, it another German, Johannnes Glutenberg, was the first known ass man.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (JgA4k)

Frälein got back
Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (RD7QR)

Berlin face mit an Stuttgart booty

Posted by: josephistan at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (Izzlo)

106 Roberts won't allow it. It's a poll tax or something.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (MAv19)

107 91 The real beauty of it?

These illegals were lying on that question in their millions, heretofore. Many, I'm sure, simply dodge the census - it's not hard. But those who took it, certainly lied.

Now that the media has made a Huge Deal out of this, many more will be spooked about it, and not answer the census at all, and not be counted for the precious apportionments they're looking to pad.

Whoops!
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (AzW6q)

========

Prediction:

Citizenship question gets added.

Census goes forth, and illegals refuse to answer.

California loses 3-4 seats.

California sues.

RBG dies.

Amy Comey Barrett replaces RBG.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (q80AH)

108 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (1XAal)

109 No one believes 11 million.

We didn't even believe it in the 80's. I wonder how old that figure is?

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (NAs56)

110 I sense a disturbance in the cuck. Like a 100 grains of sand have gotten into French's vagina.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (pw+jk)

111 Don't mess with a motherfucker who plays the bagpipes.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (MAv19)

112 Any more news about the ACA overturn from the 5th Circuit? I suspect that's the case my boss left the office earlier to attend.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (ClOmq)

113
By 2006, he was showing signs of tertiary syphilis.
Posted by: pep at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (T6t7i)

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Please Clap

Posted by: Jeb! at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (8XRCm)

114 Put it on the form


That is bad ass

Posted by: Yo! at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (1XAal)

115 >>OT: Epstein's lawyers have offered to name the people who paid him for sex with little girls in exchange for a five-year sentence. I don't like the way this is worded. I'm pretty sure Billy Bob didn't pay shit.



So they admitted he is guilty. Nicely played.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (cFjO7)

116 105 84 38 8 They called up Johannes Gutenberg?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (6qErC)

Little known fact, it another German, Johannnes Glutenberg, was the first known ass man.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at July 09, 2019 04:10 PM (JgA4k)

Fraulein got back
Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (RD7QR)

Berlin face mit an Stuttgart booty
Posted by: josephistan at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (Izzlo)

Ack, mein Gott, Becky...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (bcbK8)

117 I think I read there were districts in Philadelphia or someplace that had 100% turnout and 100% of the votes went to Obama.

Which is a similar deal.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (l8gTz)
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I remember that. I believe it was the 2008 election. In at least one district in Philly Obama got more votes than there were registered voters.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (aXucN)

118 If it gets Demotards' panties in a twist I'm all for it.

Eff those guys anyway.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (4+h7o)

119 96 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.

I think I read there were districts in Philadelphia or someplace that had 100% turnout and 100% of the votes went to Obama.

Which is a similar deal.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (l8gTz)

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I'm just gonna say that I fully believe there are places in America where not one person would vote against Barack Obama, at least.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (q80AH)

120 Roberts won't allow it. It's a poll tax or something.

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Ironically, you can make a better argument for this under the taxing power than you can Obamacare.

As you see your honor, under the Article 1 taxing powers of the Constitution, in order to implement our plan of taxing citizens to give health insurance to illegals, we first need to know who is a citizen.

Posted by: SH at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (sX1BW)

121

No one believes 11 million.



Yet, that's the number that they're still using 30 years later.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (oVJmc)

122 Oh for fucks sake.

That question has been on the census for the last 80 years. It was removed by Teh One for the 2010 census.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (8XRCm)
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The Arc of History bends over for the Dems.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (DuZls)

123 ========

Prediction:

Citizenship question gets added.

Census goes forth, and illegals refuse to answer.

California loses 3-4 seats.

California sues.

RBG dies.

Amy Comey Barrett replaces RBG.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (q80AH)

Profit!

Posted by: josephistan at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (Izzlo)

124 Trump went out and shook hands and took photos with a bunch of people waiting in line to tour the White House.
..........

If I ever visit I hope he brings out Melania.

Posted by: wth at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (v0R5T)

125 >>They also don't want the real number of illegals to be revealed as closer to 50 million than the fabled 11 million.


It can't be under 40 million. No chance.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (cFjO7)

126 I assume you mean 1992 Bill Clinton. By 2006, he was showing signs of tertiary syphilis.
Posted by: pep at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (T6t7i)


1996 Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (wCmLp)

127 Prediction:

Citizenship question gets added.

Census goes forth, and illegals refuse to answer.

California loses 3-4 seats.

California sues.

RBG dies.

Amy Comey Barrett replaces RBG.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (q80AH)

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You;re such a tease.

Posted by: Jeb! at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (8XRCm)

128 McConnell on his great-great grandfathers being slave owners: "I find myself once again in the same position as Barack Obama. We both oppose reparations, and we both are the descendants of slave-holders."
********
Cocaine Mitch

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (BqBId)

129 80 Expect some shrieking. The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason.

Posted by Ace of Spades at 03:59 PM Comments

He likes to pretend he's a little girl.
Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:06 PM (RD7QR)

Well, Hello there!
Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (jp0Bv)



Back off, pal!

I got me some serious hair sniffing to do here.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 09, 2019 04:14 PM (2EMYr)

You guys are too much! Look, I have a way you can both be happy. I'll just set you up with twenty nine year olds. That should do it. I mean, c'mon, there's twenty of them!

Posted by: Bill Clinton at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (jp0Bv)

130 Please Clap
Posted by: Jeb! at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (8XRCm)
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Doesn't work.

Posted by: Rep Eric Swallwell (D-CA) at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (DuZls)

131 The citizen question has been in there forever until Jug Ears had it taken out in 2010.

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (BbGew)

132 I'd tell Roberts "We want the citizenship question on the census for the same reason it was on the 2000 census, whatever that reason was. If it could be asked then, it sure as hell can be asked now."

Posted by: WisRich at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (G0vdT)

133 >23
Also, I live here and I didn't hear anything about this: last Friday
(7/5), Trump went out and shook hands and took photos with a bunch of
people waiting in line to tour the White House. He was even letting
people come under the rope to have their picture taken with him. Very
nice to see.



https://youtu.be/i0yJjewCSPc



Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (aXucN)


Wow! Did you see the smiles on those faces??

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (sjdRT)

134 Udder nonsense...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:12 PM (zBaqJ)

Dayum JJ, you're still good in the late afternoon!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:15 PM (AZxMX)
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we should milk these puns for all they are worth,.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (Dkm+q)

135 So real law question.

Census is issued with question on citizenship. Can those numbers be deducted for purpose of representation? Or Does the DoJ have to sue to make that case?

Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (MAv19)

136 26 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)

That's what they fear. Proof of their electoral shenanigans.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (J+mig)


I want them to be afraid, but I think they are just out of control, and don't give a rat's hind end.

So far, election fraud is all good. And as the Left continues it, and the Right continues to have the vapors when anyone mentions what is actually happening, I don't see it changing.

I've said it a hundred times, Motor Voter laws have completely corrupted the voter rolls in every state MV is used.

Anyone who can get a license gets a vote if they want to. And nobody, nobody at all, bothers to check for illegal voters on their rolls.

Want to turn WA, CA, CO red overnight in national elections?

Require every voter to show their birth certificate or naturalization papers before they vote again. That paper defines each one of us as citizens. Nobody else is supposed to vote.

Results would be as red as the fantastic in-season local Chelan red cherries I am eating right now.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (sy5kK)

137 119 96 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.

I think I read there were districts in Philadelphia or someplace that had 100% turnout and 100% of the votes went to Obama.

Which is a similar deal.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (l8gTz)

========

I'm just gonna say that I fully believe there are places in America where not one person would vote against Barack Obama, at least.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (q80AH)

Like 1860 all over again

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (bcbK8)

138 117 I think I read there were districts in Philadelphia or someplace that had 100% turnout and 100% of the votes went to Obama.

Which is a similar deal.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (l8gTz)
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I remember that. I believe it was the 2008 election. In at least one district in Philly Obama got more votes than there were registered voters.
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (aXucN)

==========

Yeah, the more votes than registered voters thing...

I honestly believe there should be large criminal penalties for polling managers and workers when that happens.

Something like $100 per vote over the limit, and 30 days jail for each vote over the limit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (q80AH)

139 Tell me that man doesn't have the common touch.

Was it the Iowa State Fair where his opponents were all pretending to be normal humans while he leaned into his role as Super Rich Guy and gave people rides on his helicopter?

People loved that.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (l8gTz)

140 If the Cartels could bottle TDS, they would make a fortune.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (DuZls)

141
California loses 3-4 seats.


I'd bet they deserve to lose more than that.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (oVJmc)

142 Barr the Barbarian.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (VPvxh)

143 26 I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)

That's what they fear. Proof of their electoral shenanigans.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (J+mig)



Not only THAT, but if only Citizens are counted for district drawing, there is at least 2 and perhaps 4 Cali Commiecrat congresscritters gone right there.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (ujg0T)

144 "tell the printers to put it on there..."

that should be the answer

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (8D42x)

145 Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (cFjO7)
********
They don't need Uncle Pervy's help, they have them all

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (BqBId)

146 Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (hjaPQ)

This is why rich creeps hire world class lawyers.

"Your honor this statement is completely true!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:20 PM (AZxMX)

147 Check One only
[ ] Beaner[ ] Not a Beaner

Posted by: US CENSUS at July 09, 2019 04:20 PM (88+cf)

148 No one believes 11 million.


Yet, that's the number that they're still using 30 years later.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:18 PM (oVJmc)

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11 million are just the ones West of the Rockies.

I bet were AT LEAST 45 million.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 04:20 PM (8XRCm)

149 Prediction:



Citizenship question gets added.



Census goes forth, and illegals refuse to answer.



California loses 3-4 seats.



California sues.



RBG dies.



Amy Comey Barrett replaces RBG.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (q80AH)

===
And Hillary Clinton is appointed president.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at July 09, 2019 04:20 PM (pw+jk)

150 That Antifa vid in side bar is freaky

So Antifa has butch trannies as enforcers with rainbow parasols and fans

Who is scared of those mother fuckers anyway?

Posted by: Yo! at July 09, 2019 04:20 PM (1XAal)

151 I'm just gonna say that I fully believe there are places in America where not one person would vote against Barack Obama, at least.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (q80AH)

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Not in Philly. Even in Big Blue, some people vote for the Republicans. I think the closest we have (without tampering) is DC - which appears to have a naturally occuring 90-91% Dem vote, so there are probably precincts there where nobody votes (R).

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:20 PM (AzW6q)

152 I don't see the Epstein/Barr going contagion. Its just the DOJ trying to right itself and get some better press - 5 - 10 years no probation and no one else indicted.

Posted by: Boswell at July 09, 2019 04:20 PM (32YRo)

153
If the question is on the census, won't illegals just lie about it? What's to stop them from being dishonest?

Posted by: Glenn John at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (LilNs)

154 Am I to understand the citizenship question was removed by an Obama EO and that they are not allowing it to be added back on by an EO?

If that is accurate, I think the issue goes way beyond the citizenship question to Presidential Powers . What is done by EO should be able to be undone by EO.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (B1ik8)

155 If it is put on there, a "grassroots" movement will immediately begin to fill out the census form without giving an answer to the citizenship question.

It will be just enough to cast some doubt on the numbers for the idiots to buy into.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (wGbBR)

156 I assume you mean 1992 Bill Clinton. By 2006, he was showing signs of tertiary syphilis.

this statement is considered clinically correct

Posted by: DanMan at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (XTiHL)

157 150 That Antifa vid in side bar is freaky

So Antifa has butch trannies as enforcers with rainbow parasols and fans

Who is scared of those mother fuckers anyway?
Posted by: Yo! at July 09, 2019 04:20 PM (1XAal)

They don't worry me.

The pic Grump shared in the gun thread, those guys make me...focused.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (bcbK8)

158 142

Barr, Barr, Barr, Barrbarrian!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (AZxMX)

159 However, under the court's current interpretation of the Census, we still have to count every confessed illegal for apportionment of representatives.

Or Trump is going to have a *huge* fight on his hands.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (DuZls)

160 That's the thing I love about Epstein girls, I keep gettin older and they stay the same age. Awright awright awright.

Posted by: Matthew McConnaughclinton at July 09, 2019 04:22 PM (oZ6kz)

161
OK OK OK..... we'll print version of the census in Spanish.

How many will we need???

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 04:22 PM (8XRCm)

162 >>They don't need Uncle Pervy's help, they have them all


Yep. He just confirmed the victim / witness accounts.

Investigators will take it from here. But, thanks for the offer.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:22 PM (cFjO7)

163 139 Tell me that man doesn't have the common touch.

Was it the Iowa State Fair where his opponents were all pretending to be normal humans while he leaned into his role as Super Rich Guy and gave people rides on his helicopter?

People loved that.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (l8gTz)

Yup.

Trump as the knack of sincerity or of being able to fake it well.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:22 PM (bcbK8)

164 Is that the pic where they know where the plate carrier lines up?

Posted by: Yo! at July 09, 2019 04:22 PM (1XAal)

165 139 Tell me that man doesn't have the common touch.

Was it the Iowa State Fair where his opponents were all pretending to be normal humans while he leaned into his role as Super Rich Guy and gave people rides on his helicopter?

People loved that.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (l8gTz)

Will he continue the helicopter rides? Please?

Posted by: josephistan at July 09, 2019 04:22 PM (Izzlo)

166 112 Any more news about the ACA overturn from the 5th Circuit? I suspect that's the case my boss left the office earlier to attend.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (ClOmq)
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Yep, from CNN, reading the tea leaves, two of the three judges sound like they're ready rule that without the tax, it unconstitutional.

John Roberts hardest hit.

Posted by: WisRich at July 09, 2019 04:22 PM (G0vdT)

167 However, under the court's current interpretation of the Census, we still have to count every confessed illegal for apportionment of representatives.

Or Trump is going to have a *huge* fight on his hands.
Posted by: Axeman


Have BP and ICE perform the Census.
When one identifies, instant deportation.
Subtract one.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 04:23 PM (ATv6t)

168 >>Now that the media has made a Huge Deal out of this, many more will be spooked about it, and not answer the census at all, and not be counted for the precious apportionments they're looking to pad.

Whoops!
- - -
Yup.

Probably helps that DHS has already started using some federal dbs to identify illegal aliens, so they're already a little spooked about engaging with the government (as they should be, argh!!!).

Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:23 PM (bDqIh)

169 Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (DuZls)
********
Not what the SCOTUS said at all, But nice try

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 09, 2019 04:23 PM (BqBId)

170 From what I've found on the net, it looks like the justification is going to be that the Second Half of the clause in the 14th Amendment dealing with Citizenship mandates the counting of Citizens, as well as Persons, in order to determine whether or not the Constitution is being complied with.

Therefore, this is a Constitutional Mandate.
Therefore, this is the Justification for putting it on.
Recall that in Robert's opinion, he didn't say they couldn't ask it, he just said they had to have a legally neutral, non capricious explanation as to why they had chosen to change the policy. So this looks like it could fill the bill.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:23 PM (Kpl3J)

171 Wow! Did you see the smiles on those faces??
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (sjdRT)
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I know! It does my heart good.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:23 PM (aXucN)

172 159 However, under the court's current interpretation of the Census, we still have to count every confessed illegal for apportionment of representatives.

Or Trump is going to have a *huge* fight on his hands.
Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (DuZls)



Might it be time for that fight?

The Commiecrats could caterwaul about the 3/5 of all other persons and all that. It really WOULD show the Demunists as the 21st Century version of "The Slave Power".

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 04:23 PM (ujg0T)

173 166 112 Any more news about the ACA overturn from the 5th Circuit? I suspect that's the case my boss left the office earlier to attend.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (ClOmq)
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Yep, from CNN, reading the tea leaves, two of the three judges sound like they're ready rule that without the tax, it unconstitutional.

John Roberts hardest hit.
Posted by: WisRich at July 09, 2019 04:22 PM (G0vdT)

=========

I fully believe that SCOTUS, as it stands now, will reverse that choice.

RBG dies and gets replaced by Amy Comey Barrett? I could begin to believe that they hold it up then.

With Roberts writing the minority opinion.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:23 PM (q80AH)

174 I've obtained an advanced copy of the reason:

8========D

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at July 09, 2019 04:24 PM (k81AA)

175 What is done by EO should be able to be undone by EO.

DACA

it occures to DanMan that if a judge can block a presidential order, or block an EO from removing a prior EO, then what is to stop the president from simply rejecting a particular judges judgement?

Equal branches right?

Posted by: DanMan at July 09, 2019 04:24 PM (XTiHL)

176 Trump is probably the best natural politician since Bill Clinton. Hell, I*d love to see a campaign between 2020 Trump and 2006 Bill Clinton.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (wCmLp)

Hell, why not. I know, 22 amendment and all, but the leftist got their el presidente for life, it only seems fair that we should get one too.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at July 09, 2019 04:24 PM (o+pgY)

177 I say we start a rumor that if the illegal aliens fill out a census, automatic deport.

Posted by: Roland THTG at July 09, 2019 04:24 PM (88+cf)

178 Tell me that man doesn't have the common touch.

Was it the Iowa State Fair where his opponents were all pretending to be normal humans while he leaned into his role as Super Rich Guy and gave people rides on his helicopter?

----------

The press and establishment never seem to have figured out that the common man doesn't care about wealth. They care about phoniness and pretending you don't have wealth when you really do or illgotten wealth.

Posted by: SH at July 09, 2019 04:24 PM (sX1BW)

179 Am I to understand the citizenship question was removed by an Obama EO and that they are not allowing it to be added back on by an EO?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (B1ik
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A judge ruled that coastal shelf that can be taken in and out of leasing couldn't be put back into leasing because Obama really (really!) meant it to be taken out from now on.

He could remove it by EO, that was legal. The court argued that Trump could not reverse this EO, because Obama really meant his.

These people have no understanding of the bricks of our civic structure. You have to accept other people excercisting their power to have a real "democracy".

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:24 PM (DuZls)

180 Hey, how come we don't have a commenter who thinks things are always ending?

"And so it ends"

-Guy Who Thinks Everything is Always Ending

Posted by: Max Power at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (q177U)

181 41 Barr, a wartime consigliere.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (yN3p4)


In the upcoming movie, "Trump", in 2025, Bob Duvall will play the part of Bill Barr.

It will be his greatest roll ever, and win another Oscar.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (sy5kK)

182 I'd rather go down fighting than to just roll over and play dead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (3gwtv)

183
I want it shown that there aren't enough citizens in California to match the total votes from the state in 2016.



I think I read there were districts in Philadelphia or someplace that had 100% turnout and 100% of the votes went to Obama.



Which is a similar deal.


Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM

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They had an 85% registered voter turnout in Philly in 2012 IIRC, the norm is ~35-40%. That is literally off the charts and has never happened before.


They had to do that so obama would win PA.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (JUOKG)

184 Epstein girl
You been livin' in a pedo world

Posted by: Billy Joel-Clinton at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (oZ6kz)

185 If that is accurate, I think the issue goes way beyond the citizenship question to Presidential Powers . What is done by EO should be able to be undone by EO.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (B1ik


You don't fix Judicial Over-Reach by arguing before the Supreme Court.

Don needs to make a list of 34 Senators who will back his play - then ignore the ruling. Pure and simple.

Posted by: Ruger Guy at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (Okukq)

186 Require every voter to show their birth certificate or naturalization papers before they vote again. That paper defines each one of us as citizens. Nobody else is supposed to vote.

Results would be as red as the fantastic in-season local Chelan red cherries I am eating right now.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (sy5kK)
++++++++++++
Election fraud would be easy to fix. Not to completely eliminate, but to make it a non-factor. If I were the governor of a state, this would be the law I would propose to whatever rat's nest was my statehouse:
1) Voter registration is suspended for one day. On that day, all voter rolls are immediately destroyed.
2) Voter registration ends 60 days before election.
3) Proof of residence and citizenship must be shown to register.
4) Voting must be done in person. Absentee ballots are available, and must be requested at least three months before the election.
5) After the vote is certified by the Secretary of State, go to step 1.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (I2dne)

187 88+cF

you're stealing my act.

Posted by: Moby! at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (3aB9K)

188 159 However, under the court's current interpretation of the Census, we still have to count every confessed illegal for apportionment of representatives.

Or Trump is going to have a *huge* fight on his hands.
Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (DuZls)

"Current interpretation" happens to be the only "Interpretation" that has been used for the last 150 years.

Liberal Judges change interpretations whenever they want to change the law. Conservative Judges say "no, you have to actually work through the legislature and do what is required if you want to change the law."

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (Kpl3J)

189 >>However, under the court's current interpretation of the Census, we still have to count every confessed illegal for apportionment of representatives.

Or Trump is going to have a *huge* fight on his hands.
- - -

Seems like Trump can win either way:
-- They are sppoked and don't participate in the census, then CA looses representatives in Congress

-- They still participate, then we have a better accounting of the real # of illegal immigrants, and we can stop this "11 million" BS once and for all, and Trump makes this number a big deal when Dems bring up immigration reform, amnesty

Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (bDqIh)

190 He can't do that! Whatever it is!

Posted by: Chief waaahooo_Justice at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (37IEG)

191 I don't know if one out of ten people are illegal. That's approaching the percentage of the black population.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (B1ik8)

192 What is done by EO should be able to be undone by EO.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:21 PM (B1ik

As we say in the banlieue:

Quel naïf!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (AZxMX)

193 46 AG Barr: I Think I've Figured Out a Way to Put the Citizenship Question Back on the Census

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Chief Justice Roberts, is this you with Jeffery Epstein?
Posted by: SH at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (sX1BW)
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Now THAT'S a tax, Johnny!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (sy5kK)

194 "Yep, from CNN, reading the tea leaves, two of the three judges sound like they're ready rule that without the tax, it unconstitutional."

Other than Roe v Wade, probably the worse reasoned court decision was John Robert's "Its a tax!" - thanks, Bush, for giving us Justice Roberts for all eternity.

Posted by: Boswell at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (32YRo)

195 So, someone who actually believes in the rule of law works at the DoJ. How did Trump manage that?

Posted by: Iblis at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (9221z)

196 I'm not sure how good a count we would get in the end though because illegals just wouldn't answer the question. Or fill out the census form at all, perhaps.
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:16 PM (aXucN)

"Are you a citizen?" Legal resident alien, or legal visitor answers: "no". Citizen answers: "Yes". Illegal alien answers: "no"? No problem. There's scarcely any point to having a question on there about one's legal status, as the illegals will simply lie, anyway. If they answer "no" to the citizenship question, they haven't lied. If they answer "yes", then they have just committed another felony to ensure their deportation.

Just make it clear that the Census is not meant to be part of the investigative toolbox for ICE. But lying on a Census form will be used as a felony, if they do it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (abNpZ)

197 Have BP and ICE perform the Census.
When one identifies, instant deportation.
Subtract one.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 04:23 PM (ATv6t)



In fairness, it should be noted that California has millions of perfectly legal Resident Aliens.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (ujg0T)

198 Damn autocucumber!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (AZxMX)

199 The advertising gods seem to think I need to buy a boat.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (1ISKN)

200 Census is issued with question on citizenship. Can those numbers be deducted for purpose of representation? Or Does the DoJ have to sue to make that case?
Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (MAv19)


I think that would be a hard sell to SCOTUS. I'm actually in the camp that the Constitution says "persons" and not citizens. Yes, I know that the founders would have likely intended it to only be citizens because the idea of massive numbers of illegals wouldn't be something they could foresee... but I think that's stretching interpretation of the language as written too far.

That said, I think a case can be made that you still need to know where your citizens are, relative to the general population, through the need to ensure a republican form of government. Districts should be designed to best equalize the distribution of the total population, as well as the citizen population.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (wCmLp)

201 Your'e all racists, self-hating Jews and pretend Catholics!!

Posted by: David French's Twisted Panties at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (VpIIl)

202 There is no reason on Earth that Barr should be having to go to these legal contortions. He needs to keep reminding people of the utter absurdity of this deep state attempt to control the census.

Posted by: creeper at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (wYGUF)

203 Any more news about the ACA overturn from the 5th Circuit? I suspect that's the case my boss left the office earlier to attend.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (ClOmq)
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This should all have been behind us. The lack of a severability clause should have put the whole thing 6-feet under when the SCOTUS ruled against the burden on states.

If a condition of the law is wrong, and it is not particularly stated as severable, then the whole law has to be remade.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (DuZls)

204 201 Your'e all racists, self-hating Jews and pretend Catholics!!
Posted by: David French's Twisted Panties at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (VpIIl)

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I thought you just cared about the evangelicals and their inability to live up to your Hillary Clinton voting standards?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (q80AH)

205 Posted by: Max Power at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (q177U)

I think you confusing him with the the guy who always says 'and so it begins'

Posted by: DanMan at July 09, 2019 04:28 PM (XTiHL)

206 California is losing people, not gaining them. Trying to use current numbers to justify it is just backwards.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:11 PM (q80AH)

per wiki (I know...) 14,100,000 people voted in Cali in 2016 for a 75% turnout.

so you could do a little extrapolation and say that there's 18,800,000 citizens in Cali.

so yes, they've been losing people but if your number of actual claimed citizens is significantly below that, I think you've got a red flag for sure.

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 09, 2019 04:28 PM (8D42x)

207 203 Any more news about the ACA overturn from the 5th Circuit? I suspect that's the case my boss left the office earlier to attend.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:17 PM (ClOmq)
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This should all have been behind us. The lack of a severability clause should have put the whole thing 6-feet under when the SCOTUS ruled against the burden on states.

If a condition of the law is wrong, and it is not particularly stated as severable, then the whole law has to be remade.
Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (DuZls)

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"It wasn't Congress's intent to forget about the severability clause."
-James Comey John Roberts

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:28 PM (q80AH)

208 >>I think I read there were districts in Philadelphia or someplace that had 100% turnout and 100% of the votes went to Obama.


L.A. County, too - they have something 127% of the eligible voting population registered. Judicial Watch lawsuit now forcing them to (finally) purge their voter roll.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:28 PM (bDqIh)

209 OT but funny...

GOP-led Virginia Legislature abruptly adjourns gun session

RICHMOND, Va. - Less than two hours after beginning a special session called in response to a mass shooting, Virginia lawmakers abruptly adjourned Tuesday without taking any action and postponed any movement on gun control until after the November election.




Sometimes the VA GOP shows that they can fight back. Only sometimes though.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at July 09, 2019 04:29 PM (qSCcj)

210 174 I've obtained an advanced copy of the reason:

8========D
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at July 09, 2019 04:24 PM (k81AA)

Rates and times available?

Posted by: jess goldberg at July 09, 2019 04:29 PM (13dPG)

211 If we were invaded by the Russians in a Red Dawn scenario, leftist logic on the Census dictates that the Russians should be given a Census form.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:29 PM (1ISKN)

212 L.A. County, too - they have something 127% of the eligible voting population registered. Judicial Watch lawsuit now forcing them to (finally) purge their voter roll.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:28 PM (bDqIh)
++++++++++++++
Every election. Burn the rolls after every regular election. I don't like standing in line at government offices, but I'll register to vote every two years. Damn near the least I can do.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019 04:29 PM (I2dne)

213 211
If we were invaded by the Russians in a Red Dawn scenario, leftist logic
on the Census dictates that the Russians should be given a Census form.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:29 PM (1ISKN)

And free healthcare including abortions.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 09, 2019 04:30 PM (N39Ws)

214 191 I don't know if one out of ten people are illegal. That's approaching the percentage of the black population.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (B1ik8

So there's not a Home Depot in your town?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:30 PM (AZxMX)

215 212 Every election. Burn the rolls after every regular election. I don't like standing in line at government offices, but I'll register to vote every two years. Damn near the least I can do.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019 04:29 PM (I2dne)

===========

I don't mind the register to vote with every election idea.

But we'll get mobile phone voting instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:30 PM (q80AH)

216 189 >>However, under the court's current interpretation of the Census, we still have to count every confessed illegal for apportionment of representatives.

Or Trump is going to have a *huge* fight on his hands.
- - -

Seems like Trump can win either way:
-- They are sppoked and don't participate in the census, then CA looses representatives in Congress

-- They still participate, then we have a better accounting of the real # of illegal immigrants, and we can stop this "11 million" BS once and for all, and Trump makes this number a big deal when Dems bring up immigration reform, amnesty
Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (bDqIh)


If they can steal votes/ballots, they sure as hell can forge census questionnaires.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:30 PM (zBaqJ)

217 OT......... Ruth Bader Ginsburg encased in Carbonite until next Court Session..... ( Babylon Bee)...

Posted by: kraken at July 09, 2019 04:30 PM (bCLt0)

218 If were going to not have borders and given anyone a Census form, why aren't we mailing them to the entire world?

Shit, we should send some out in space just to be safe.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:30 PM (1ISKN)

219 "Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (wCmLp)"

This is what beguiles and intrigues me. On what basis do we make the assumption it is "person", and that it includes non citizens for the purpose of representation. That seem antithetical to the entirety of the Constitution and the history as related by the Framers.

To be clear, I've heard the case made both ways and that there is court precedent for "persons" (including non citizens, but that is weak and rife to be overturned.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (VpIIl)

220 Jake Gibson @JakeBGibson
1m
Former State Department employee Candace Claiborne sentenced to 40 months in federal prison for passing internal state department documents to Chinese agents in exchange for tens of thousands of dollars in cash and gifts.

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (BqBId)

221 Never mind the illegals, well I take that back, but it would be good to find out how many Resident Aliens are illegally voting. That happens more often than you think.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (ujg0T)

222 201 Your'e all racists, self-hating Jews and pretend Catholics!!
Posted by: David French's Twisted Panties at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (VpIIl)

And?

Posted by: jess goldberg at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (13dPG)

223 211 If we were invaded by the Russians in a Red Dawn scenario, leftist logic on the Census dictates that the Russians should be given a Census form.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:29 PM (1ISKN)

If we get invaded by Russians ala Red Dawn, people should shoot the Democrats first, then the Russians.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (bcbK8)

224 Every election. Burn the rolls after every regular election. I don't like standing in line at government offices, but I'll register to vote every two years. Damn near the least I can do.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019 04:29 PM (I2dne)

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One of the great things about your yuuuge, luxurious, excellent plan, Is that the number of people who will bother doing it will be drastically lower than the number of people who can be bothered to do it one time.

Drastically.

And which side, pray tell, is more civic-minded?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (AzW6q)

225 205 Posted by: Max Power at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (q177U)

I think you confusing him with the the guy who always says 'and so it begins'
Posted by: DanMan at July 09, 2019 04:28 PM (XTiHL)


Wasn't that Suzi Quatro and Chris Norman?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (zBaqJ)

226 224
One of the great things about your yuuuge, luxurious, excellent plan, Is that the number of people who will bother doing it will be drastically lower than the number of people who can be bothered to do it one time.

Drastically.

And which side, pray tell, is more civic-minded?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (AzW6q)

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Those with gender studies degrees?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (q80AH)

227 Did they send Census forms to the Confederacy during the Civil War?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (1ISKN)

228 I would be surprised if 25% of Chicago Voters aren't voting in at least one other state.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (cFjO7)

229 If they can steal votes/ballots, they sure as hell can forge census questionnaires.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:30 PM (zBaqJ)



True, they can. But if THAT is demonstrated, it only further proves our / Trump's point.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (ujg0T)

230 Sometimes the VA GOP shows that they can fight back. Only sometimes though.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at July 09, 2019 04:29 PM (qSCcj)

Not to worry, they'll betray us after the election!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (AZxMX)

231 And which side, pray tell, is more civic-minded?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (AzW6q)
+++++++++++
Honestly, it depends on the election and the people involved. It's actually a risk. It's a risk that's worth it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (I2dne)

232 I'd rather go down fighting than to just roll over and play dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at J



lol, you know that conjures the thought of some spartan dentist standing astride stacks of toothless sjws holding his pliers, with a tooth in them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (HALdu)

233 Did they send Census forms to the Confederacy during the Civil War?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (1ISKN)
++++++++++++
The Civil War didn't occur during a census year...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019 04:33 PM (I2dne)

234 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:33 PM (Zz0t1)

235 ThunBarr the Barbarian

Posted by: A dude in MI at July 09, 2019 04:33 PM (HQx/J)

236 >>Did they send Census forms to the Confederacy during the Civil War?


The Civil War was fought over the impending Census of 1862.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:33 PM (cFjO7)

237 I see the thread has come to the 300 Spartans stage.....

Posted by: kraken at July 09, 2019 04:33 PM (bCLt0)

238 I'd rather bleed out on a hot pile of brass then use someone's preferred pronoun.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:33 PM (1ISKN)

239 238 I'd rather bleed out on a hot pile of brass then use someone's preferred pronoun.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:33 PM (1ISKN)

Endorsed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (bcbK8)

240
I think you confusing him with the the guy who always says 'and so it begins'

Posted by: DanMan at July 09, 2019 04:28 PM (XTiHL)




Wasn't that Suzi Quatro and Chris Norman?


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019

*
*
. . .
"Stumblin' In." Dynamite song.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (ClOmq)

241 lol, some states have way more illegal mexicans that blacks.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (HALdu)

242 Bullshit reason why the Left doesn't want to have the citizenship question: "science" says that if you include it less Hispanic people respond so you are purposely undercounting them.

Secondary bullshit reason: the Constitution says all persons not citizens so you have to count them you cannot exclude for apportionment.

Actual reason why Trump wants question asked and why the Left really doesn't want it: to get data on the size and shape of the problem.

Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (ZfRYq)

243 237 I see the thread has come to the 300 Spartans stage.....
Posted by: kraken at July 09, 2019 04:33 PM (bCLt0)

...so it ends

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (bcbK8)

244 I'd rather go down fighting than to just roll over and play dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at J


That sounds like date night with Toothy McBigTits...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (zBaqJ)

245 Lincoln proposed asking about the number of hats per household.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (cFjO7)

246 I'm actually in the camp that the Constitution says "persons" and not citizens. Yes, I know that the founders would have likely intended it to only be citizens because the idea of massive numbers of illegals wouldn't be something they could foresee... but I think that's stretching interpretation of the language as written too far.

That said, I think a case can be made that you still need to know where your citizens are, relative to the general population, through the need to ensure a republican form of government. Districts should be designed to best equalize the distribution of the total population, as well as the citizen population.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:27 PM (wCmLp)
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I am in the same camp, because we have to abide by the "plain meaning" as well, unless a cracker-jack originalist argument can be made for a different original understanding (see "well-regulated" and "militia" circa 18th-century).

The problem is that "persons" were forseeable meant for people allowed in the country. To some degree representatives represent their interests as well--as long as the people have chosen to tolerate their presence.

However, illegal presence argues against any representation tolerance or acceptence by the people of that presence. So you are really arguing against the reason that "persons" was chosen.

I think this is a sound argument, I do not think it stands well in the tradition of the court though--it runs up against the limitation of the standard of "precedence"--however manipulated by the ignoring of precedence by activist judges, no less.

Does the census want to count the guy who I don't know is living in my basement as part of my household? I never said he could live there. Why would I count him as "household"?

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (DuZls)

247 I don't know if one out of ten people are illegal. That's approaching the percentage of the black population.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (B1ik8



So there's not a Home Depot in your town?



Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:30 PM

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They don't do the Home Depot thing around here anymore. They are "unionizing".


You have to call Ruben and tell him how many guys you need. He says OK, you have to pay them $20 an hour with a minimum guarantee of $200 for the day each. Then you cut Reuben a check after the work is done and he takes his cut upfront and divvies up the rest.

If you try and stiff Ruben, you get blacklisted.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (JUOKG)

248 Sanctuary states are in open defiance of Federal Law.

They should be stripped of representation and get no Census forms.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (1ISKN)

249 Seems to me over voting can easily be illegals as well as multiple votes.

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2019 04:35 PM (BbGew)

250 237 I see the thread has come to the 300 Spartans stage.....
Posted by: kraken at July 09, 2019 04:33 PM (bCLt0)

I look awful in capes and loin cloths.

Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:35 PM (RD7QR)

251 The conservative case for not knowing what the fuck is going on in your country.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 09, 2019 04:35 PM (t6MX/)

252 228
I would be surprised if 25% of Chicago Voters aren't voting in at least one other state.





Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019

*
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. . .
Yeah; Indiana is a short drive in one direction, and Wisconsin in the other.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:35 PM (ClOmq)

253 don't know if one out of ten people are illegal. That's approaching the percentage of the black population.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:26 PM (B1ik8

So there's not a Home Depot in your town?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:30 PM (AZxMX)

I live in Houston. One in ten still seems high even with observing the number of lawn care trailers.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:35 PM (B1ik8)

254
Did they send Census forms to the Confederacy during the Civil War?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:32 PM (1ISKN)


The Census was in 1860.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 09, 2019 04:35 PM (TAmPV)

255 Lincoln proposed asking about the number of hats per household.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (cFjO7)
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Fuck him--I can't pull off a hat!

Posted by: Modern at July 09, 2019 04:35 PM (DuZls)

256 There's a Pollack in SF who somehow survives there cleaning houses. He came here on a student visa and never went home. How does that happen?

Posted by: torabora at July 09, 2019 04:36 PM (b0tBX)

257 Who run Barrter Town?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 09, 2019 04:36 PM (t6MX/)

258
Lincoln proposed asking about the number of hats per household.
Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (cFjO7)

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Huh. I had never heard that. What was his reasoning?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:36 PM (AzW6q)

259 227
Did they send Census forms to the Confederacy during the Civil War?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019

*
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. . .
"I ask you! Did they send census forms to the Germans after they bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:36 PM (ClOmq)

260 254
Did they send Census forms to the Confederacy during the Civil War?

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How does no one get the joke?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:36 PM (1ISKN)

261 245 Lincoln proposed asking about the number of hats per household.
Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (cFjO7)


"Oh my gawd! I freed the what?!!!"

- - punchline from Congress of Wonders sketch

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:36 PM (zBaqJ)

262 >>>Trump is probably the best natural politician since Bill Clinton. Hell, I'd love to see a campaign between 2020 Trump and 2006 Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:13 PM (wCmLp)



I believe using the names Trump and Clinton in the same paragraph and in such equation violates AoS style guide and Aos TOS.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (RKPlw)

263 In re the next Civil War..... my ancestors fought in the first one..... written family history indicates it was not really much fun for them......

Posted by: kraken at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (bCLt0)

264 259 >> He gets it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (1ISKN)

265 I'm not sure this shows Barr in a good light. The old team was hoping to wave the white flag on the question (and leaked it into the news that way) obviously without Trump's consent. Barr didn't make a peep until Trump took to twitter.

Posted by: artemis at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (AwPyG)

266 >>Huh. I had never heard that. What was his reasoning?


He wanted to control the Beaver Trade.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (cFjO7)

267 Oh, I forgot, I'm weird.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (1ISKN)

268 259
227

Did they send Census forms to the Confederacy during the Civil War?



Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019
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"I ask you! Did they send census forms to the Germans after they bombed Pearl Harbor?"


Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:36 PM (ClOmq)

Fair point.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (t6MX/)

269
"The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason."

That's generally what happens when you get your pecker stuck in something you don't want it stuck in.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (1hM1d)

270 I'm missing how "persons" comports with things like the 14th Amendment. It actually seems in direct contravention.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (VpIIl)

271 257 Who run Barrter Town?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 09, 2019 04:36 PM (t6MX/)


"Hymie."

- - The-uh-Reverend-uh-JACK-sonnn

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (zBaqJ)

272 266 >>Huh. I had never heard that. What was his reasoning?


He wanted to control the Beaver Trade.
Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (cFjO7)

That's Huggy Bear's job.

Posted by: joncelli, adjusting the tinfoil hat at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (RD7QR)

273 We should take over Mexico set up new management.
Do not shoot, I am a man - thing.

Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (9PtLS)

274 Beaver Trade is what they used to call pimping.

I read that somewhere.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (1ISKN)

275
11 million are just the ones West of the Rockies.
______________

CA alone probably has more than 11 million now.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (k4dH2)

276 Comedy is hard, yo

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (bcbK8)

277 266 >>Huh. I had never heard that. What was his reasoning?


He wanted to control the Beaver Trade.
Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (cFjO7)


Like Jeffrey Epstein.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (zBaqJ)

278 To be clear, I've heard the case made both ways and that there is court precedent for "persons" (including non citizens, but that is weak and rife to be overturned.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (VpIIl)

The basis is that if you go read the Amendment (you can google it, it's easy to find) the Amendment uses the word "Persons" in some places, and "Citizens" in others, and clearly they are intended to have related but different meanings.

For example, the very first line is: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Although it's clear from the context, later Court decisions have confirmed that "Persons" means any human being standing and breathing within the physical confines of the United States. "Citizens" are defined by the line quoted above.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (Kpl3J)

279 273 We should take over Mexico set up new management.
Do not shoot, I am a man - thing.
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (9PtLS)

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Carpet bomb the upper 100 miles for 6 months straight.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (q80AH)

280 258


Lincoln proposed asking about the number of hats per household.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (cFjO7)


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Huh. I had never heard that. What was his reasoning?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019

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If the question was limited to the number of men's hats per household, that would equate to the number of eligible voters -- since women could not vote in the 19th Century (thank God). Maybe with the reasoning that a man with a dress hat would be prosperous, and would therefore own property and have a stake in his community.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (ClOmq)

281 Lol, that was quick: Suit filed against donkey chompers for blocking people on Twitter.

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at July 09, 2019 04:39 PM (k81AA)

282 Bullshit reason why the Left doesn't want to have the citizenship question: "science" says that if you include it less Hispanic people respond so you are purposely undercounting them.

Secondary bullshit reason: the Constitution says all persons not citizens so you have to count them you cannot exclude for apportionment.

Actual reason why Trump wants question asked and why the Left really doesn't want it: to get data on the size and shape of the problem.
Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 04:34 PM (ZfRYq)
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I actually agree that it inhibits the "scientific" purpose of counting "persons" to ask a question which is going to make an illegal not want to answer the census.

However, I believe that burdens can't be created in 9 years--if Congress wants to change the law, then change the law. If we have a decades-long history of asking this question, then this has been an operating procedure for such little time.

Posted by: Modern at July 09, 2019 04:39 PM (DuZls)

283 Beaver Hunt in Hustler was fun reading back in the day.

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:39 PM (Zz0t1)

284 276 Comedy is hard, yo
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (bcbK

========

I've always found it easy.

---wife whispers into ear---

What? At me? Not with me?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:39 PM (q80AH)

285 279 273 We should take over Mexico set up new management.
Do not shoot, I am a man - thing.
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (9PtLS)

==========

Carpet bomb the upper 100 miles for 6 months straight.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (q80AH)

New look at Zod's human flypaper idea?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:39 PM (bcbK8)

286 Election fraud would be easy to fix. Not to
completely eliminate, but to make it a non-factor. If I were the
governor of a state, this would be the law I would propose to whatever
rat's nest was my statehouse:

1) Voter registration is suspended for one day. On that day, all voter rolls are immediately destroyed.

2) Voter registration ends 60 days before election.

3) Proof of residence and citizenship must be shown to register.

4) Voting must be done in person. Absentee ballots are available,
and must be requested at least three months before the election.

5) After the vote is certified by the Secretary of State, go to step 1.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (I2dne)


Yep. Amen.


Every 2 years. People who want to drive legally go through a similar process. When they want us to pay taxes, we go through a similar enough process. Government has no problem getting us legally on the books, when it has a vested interest in doing so.

I can't imagine what could be more important to the interest of government than that it be elected and appointed and overseen by a true and certifiable citizenry.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (a2xio)

287 220 Jake Gibson @JakeBGibson
1m
Former State Department employee Candace Claiborne sentenced to 40 months in federal prison for passing internal state department documents to Chinese agents in exchange for tens of thousands of dollars in cash and gifts.



Three years? Pffff.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (oVJmc)

288 What a racist question, Are you an American citizen? Not are you illegal not are you black/white/ brown/yellow/ xe/ze/zim/zer/them/they/cis/bi/gay/straight/queer/ # of toilets/ poor/rich/Catholic/satanist/ Methodist/ communist...ect. WTF. Are you American? Where do you live? Are the two most relevant questions.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (0OmEj)

289 How does no one get the joke?

I don't get it. The Civil War was after 1860 and before 1870/

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (C78No)

290 281 Lol, that was quick: Suit filed against donkey chompers for blocking people on Twitter.

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at July 09, 2019 04:39 PM (k81AA)

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"I like this company's future prospects!"
-Twitter stockholder, apparently

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (q80AH)

291 If we get invaded by Russians ala Red Dawn, people should shoot the Democrats first, then the Russians.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (bcbK

At least that will solve the problem of trying to tell them apart.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (o+pgY)

292
There's a Pollack in SF who somehow survives there cleaning houses.

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Hmmm... now, I used to know an illegal I'll call "Lalo."

He worked hauling granite-countertops - straight up menial work for next to no pay from his unscrupulous employer.

Yet, he drove a fancy truck, and had a fancy pad.

Your first thought would be "drugs," right?

Nope.

Lalo was servicing half the wine moms in the swanky mountain town where he worked.

He'd send his meager wages to his two! wives in MX, and it sustained them in that economy, while his American paramours saw that he was kept in the manner he was accustomed to up here.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (AzW6q)

293 I don't know if one out of ten people are illegal. That's approaching the percentage of the black population.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation


The AA population was ~42 million as of 2010.

If it was revealed there were more illegals in country than there were folk of African descent? All hell would break loose.

Posted by: Grand Inquisitor Cavil at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (AM1GF)

294 >>If the question was limited to the number of men's hats per household, that would equate to the number of eligible voters -- since women could not vote in the 19th Century (thank God). Maybe with the reasoning that a man with a dress hat would be prosperous, and would therefore own property and have a stake in his community


This, too.

The instructions read : List ALL Hats. Brimmed or Brimless. Account for them directly on Form.

List no Bonnet upon it.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (cFjO7)

295 260
254

Did they send Census forms to the Confederacy during the Civil War?



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How does no one get the joke?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:36 PM (1ISKN)

Census in 1860, before the CW, and in 1870 after the CW?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (t6MX/)

296 289 The joke is the question is absurd, just like using illegals to determine representation in Congress.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (1ISKN)

297
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (ClOmq)

Ah-ha. Tricky. I like it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (AzW6q)

298 In fairness, it should be noted that California has millions of perfectly legal Resident Aliens.
Posted by: Curmudgeon


And millions of illegals. Only one's I'm after.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (ATv6t)

299 Jake Gibson @JakeBGibson
1m
Former State Department employee Candace Claiborne sentenced to 40 months in federal prison for passing internal state department documents to Chinese agents in exchange for tens of thousands of dollars in cash and gifts.


Three years? Pffff.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (oVJmc)


Yet nothing has been done to Dianne CheinStein.....

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (Zz0t1)

300 David French likes to suck my toes while I bang the 15 yr old in the flight attendant outfit at 30,000'. He is sooo conservative ya know!

Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (yhf6w)

301 This is what beguiles and intrigues me. On what basis do we make the assumption it is "person", and that it includes non citizens for the purpose of representation. That seem antithetical to the entirety of the Constitution and the history as related by the Framers.

To be clear, I've heard the case made both ways and that there is court precedent for "persons" (including non citizens, but that is weak and rife to be overturned.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:31 PM (VpIIl)



Well, the language itself is, "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed" from the 14th amendment.

Unless you're going to argue that illegals don't have personhood. But that argument will never fly.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (wCmLp)

302 100 23 Also, I live here and I didn't hear anything about this: last Friday (7/5), Trump went out and shook hands and took photos with a bunch of people waiting in line to tour the White House. He was even letting people come under the rope to have their picture taken with him. Very nice to see.

https://youtu.be/i0yJjewCSPc
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:09 PM (aXucN)

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You know what I hate.
I hate that the Democrats have so poisoned the country that I was conscious that there was just one black family in that ocean of whites.

God damn the Democrat partei and the lickspittle press!

And fcuk Academia too!

Posted by: Vlad the implaer, whittling away like mad at July 09, 2019 04:42 PM (4ED+0)

303
Carrie Johnson @johnson_carrie
12m
Spotted entering the Justice Department: Connecticut US Attorney John Durham, who's assisting Attorney General Bill Barr with what Barr calls a "spying" review of intel before the 2016 election.

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 09, 2019 04:42 PM (BqBId)

304 This, too.

The instructions read : List ALL Hats. Brimmed or Brimless. Account for them directly on Form.

List no Bonnet upon it.
Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (cFjO7)


What does Lisa Bonnet have to do with anything?

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:42 PM (Zz0t1)

305 "Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (Kpl3J)"

Perfect example. But in that line "persons" is simply a predicate to explain "who" is a "born or naturalized citizen".

For example, you could not replace "persons" with "citizens" in that construct. It would not make any sense.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:42 PM (VpIIl)

306 "Expect some shrieking. The totally non-SJW David French might do some shrieking too. For whatever reason."

*pants heavily* Well, I blame Jakey, who's my fave "Tapper", IYKWIMAITYD.....

OH, JAKEY!! ARE YOU READY FOR ROUND 2, MY LOVE-MUSCLE? ARE YOU?

Posted by: Davey French, D-Panties at July 09, 2019 04:42 PM (Bqoi/)

307 Carpet bomb the upper 100 miles for 6 months straight.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (q80AH)


shootin for the bleachers

Posted by: Braenyard at July 09, 2019 04:43 PM (RKPlw)

308 Lol, that was quick: Suit filed against donkey chompers for blocking people on Twitter.


If Twitter allows her to do it, are they culpable?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:43 PM (oVJmc)

309 do you remember that five years of intense debate over whether Obama would be allowed to remove the Citizenship question from the census? And SCOTUS decided it might not be OK, depending on what Obama's intentions were?


cricket chirp chirp chirp

yeah, I don't either.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 09, 2019 04:43 PM (Cus5s)

310 I don't get it. The Civil War was after 1860 and before 1870/

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2019

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The 1860 Census probably was suspended for the duration, since in those days (before computers and even Hollerith cards) it meant sending out actual people to ask the Census questions, and then took most of a decade to tabulate the results. Both North and South were a little busy 1861-1865.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:43 PM (ClOmq)

311 310 The 1860 Census probably was suspended for the duration, since in those days (before computers and even Hollerith cards) it meant sending out actual people to ask the Census questions, and then took most of a decade to tabulate the results. Both North and South were a little busy 1861-1865.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:43 PM (ClOmq)

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"With what?"
-Product of public education system

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:43 PM (q80AH)

312 304 This, too.

The instructions read : List ALL Hats. Brimmed or Brimless. Account for them directly on Form.

List no Bonnet upon it.
Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (cFjO7)

What does Lisa Bonnet have to do with anything?
Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:42 PM (Zz0t1)

Her work in Angel Heart was inspiring

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:44 PM (bcbK8)

313 I dunno.

I seem to recall in the Heller case that there was discussion of who the "people" were that the 2A mentions. I thought it said something like "people" were members of a political community, eg Americans, and that this meaning was consistent throughout the Constitution.

If so, illegals are not members of our political community and therefore do not get counted in apportionment calculations.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at July 09, 2019 04:44 PM (qSCcj)

314 I will say this: large numbers of non-citizens, legal Resident Aliens let alone illegals, leads to "rotten boroughs", where only a few thousand citizen votes can turn an election, and as a result "packing" actual citizens into other districts. Guess which ones vote Demunist and which ones vote Republican or at least Deep State Establican?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 04:44 PM (ujg0T)

315
The basis is that if you go read the Amendment (you can google it, it's easy to find) the Amendment uses the word "Persons" in some places, and "Citizens" in others, and clearly they are intended to have related but different meanings.

For example, the very first line is: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Although it's clear from the context, later Court decisions have confirmed that "Persons" means any human being standing and breathing within the physical confines of the United States. "Citizens" are defined by the line quoted above.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:38 PM (Kpl3J)

That definition on citizens does not apply to Indians. Per those same courts. For the obvious reason that Indians are subject to their respective tribes, even should they live in the USA.

It is absurd to suggest that we should have to include an invading army for purposes of representation. That would be a form of hyper literalism and selectively applied at that. As a general rule judges don't take laws to retarded read as written conclusions. That they have chosen to in this instance reflects poorly on them, as does their endless power seeking.

Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 04:44 PM (p997d)

316 @42 "Can you imagine the silence from the media?

1-2 million more votes than legal voters in the largest state in the union, and the NYT would cover it with a single story on page 19 of a Wednesday paper."

Trump Seeks to Disenfranchise One to Two Million California Voters

Posted by: NYTimes Headline Generator at July 09, 2019 04:44 PM (koNhm)

317 >>You know what I hate.
I hate that the Democrats have so poisoned the country that I was conscious that there was just one black family in that ocean of whites.

God damn the Democrat partei and the lickspittle press!

And fcuk Academia too!
Posted by: Vlad the implaer, whittling away like mad at July 09, 2019 04:42 PM (4ED+0)>>

Yeah, but the obvious enthusiasm of the little girl just to talk to "Heinrich Drumpf" the "RAYCIST!!" was adorbs, in such a good way.

Posted by: DMO at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (Bqoi/)

318 starting June 1, 1860, and lasting five months. It determined the population of the United States to be 31,443,321

And then the shooting started.

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (C78No)

319 186 Require every voter to show their birth certificate or naturalization papers before they vote again. That paper defines each one of us as citizens. Nobody else is supposed to vote.

Results would be as red as the fantastic in-season local Chelan red cherries I am eating right now.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:19 PM (sy5kK)
++++++++++++
Election fraud would be easy to fix. Not to completely eliminate, but to make it a non-factor. If I were the governor of a state, this would be the law I would propose to whatever rat's nest was my statehouse:
1) Voter registration is suspended for one day. On that day, all voter rolls are immediately destroyed.
2) Voter registration ends 60 days before election.
3) Proof of residence and citizenship must be shown to register.
4) Voting must be done in person. Absentee ballots are available, and must be requested at least three months before the election.
5) After the vote is certified by the Secretary of State, go to step 1.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019 04:25 PM (I2dne)


In WA state, virtually every thing they do invites voter fraud.

After the registration process I described, the ballots are mailed out about 3-4 weeks before the election. All mail, no in person voting (except a couple of local spots for show), and the ballots must be postmarked by 8pm election night. So many aren't even received for another couple of days. Many people speak up and tell the press they received 2 ballots, old address and new address, or married vs single name, or other reason. The Sec of State flutters, the Leftie press says "see! no corruption!", and nothing is done to address the root causes.

The Left even have voting parties, bring your ballot and we will vote together! Cookies and coffee are served! It is like effing kindergarten.


Voting in many states is hopelessly corrupt.

Until the desire to fix it exists, the single most powerful tool in human history to stop violent overthrows of governments continues to be dulled like running a knife against concrete.

Just don't claim you weren't warned when the box suddenly changes.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (sy5kK)

320 If it was revealed there were more illegals in country than there were folk of African descent? All hell would break loose.

It's why people like Kamala are frantic with reparations and mortgage down payments and etc for blacks.

And let's be honest, she's trying to buy black voters at retail, there's not even a hint of honesty here, she wants to buy them at retail over the counter.

We achieved Peak Black with Obama, the underhanded repeal of Prop 109 in California that'd allow the state to reinstate affirmative action in hiring and school admissions was instituted by the Hispanics and shot down by the Asians, neither the whites nor the blacks had a damn thing to do with it.

Posted by: JEM at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (8erNz)

321 Unless you're going to argue that illegals don't have personhood. But that argument will never fly.


For purposes of apportionment they are not persons.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (cFjO7)

322 Another point - section 2 of the 14A pretty much requires that we count citizens.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (qSCcj)

323 "Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (wCmLp)"

Ah, yes. But that's Section II, which is dependent on Section I, which in my simple mind defines a person as a citizen. You cannot disconnect the two.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (VpIIl)

324 Burgess Everett
@burgessev
Major scoop from @AliceOllstein: Sebelius will not run for Senate in Kansas

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (BqBId)

325 Her work in Angel Heart was inspiring
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:44 PM (bcbK8


Isn't that the one with Jean Claude Van Damme in it?

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (Zz0t1)

326 324 Burgess Everett
@burgessev
Major scoop from @AliceOllstein: Sebelius will not run for Senate in Kansas
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (BqBId)

========

So what's his face is probably safe, then?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (q80AH)

327 Unless you're going to argue that illegals don't have personhood. But that argument will never fly.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (wCmLp)

In fact, that's already been to the Supreme Court in a couple different contexts, and it's long since been decided. As for the "Indians not taxed", the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 rewrote all of the laws concerning them, so that particular language is a dead letter now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Kpl3J)

328 >>Lol, that was quick: Suit filed against donkey chompers for blocking people on Twitter.


EXCELLENT
They made the rules, they have to live by them, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (bDqIh)

329 Another point - section 2 of the 14A pretty much requires that we count citizens.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (qSCcj)


You're not taking into account that The Constitution is a living, breathing document.

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Zz0t1)

330 Perfect example. But in that line "persons" is simply a predicate to explain "who" is a "born or naturalized citizen".

For example, you could not replace "persons" with "citizens" in that construct. It would not make any sense.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:42 PM (VpIIl)
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Not really. It's using "persons" as a general category and delimiting it by condition, to define citizenship.

If I say an Orange is a tropical fruit, round dimpled and orange in color. I'm using the phrase "tropical fruit" in reference to the orange, but it is clearly the broader category, that I am qualifying.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (DuZls)

331 327 Unless you're going to argue that illegals don't have personhood. But that argument will never fly.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (wCmLp)

In fact, that's already been to the Supreme Court in a couple different contexts, and it's long since been decided. As for the "Indians not taxed", the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 rewrote all of the laws concerning them, so that particular language is a dead letter now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Kpl3J)

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Penumbras!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (q80AH)

332 298 In fairness, it should be noted that California has millions of perfectly legal Resident Aliens.
Posted by: Curmudgeon

And millions of illegals. Only one's I'm after.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (ATv6t)



Of course. But they are non-citizens. And sadly, they are used in counts to create "rotten borough" districts of a relatively small number of voters. How else to explain Alexandra Occassional Cortex?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 04:47 PM (ujg0T)

333 328 >>Lol, that was quick: Suit filed against donkey chompers for blocking people on Twitter.


EXCELLENT
They made the rules, they have to live by them, too.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (bDqIh)

She can blame climate change for this.

Posted by: Roy at July 09, 2019 04:47 PM (Gvpa/)

334 Still plan to self identify on the Census as Scotch Irish AKA Cracker-American.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 09, 2019 04:47 PM (e1mEI)

335 OT-Now that we've passed the #300 post
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2019 04:47 PM (+0VWg)

336
If we get invaded by Russians ala Red Dawn, people should shoot the Democrats first, then the Russians.

+++

No way Russians are almost bro tier nowadays

Posted by: Total Control Racist at July 09, 2019 04:47 PM (RTNNy)

337 334 Still plan to self identify on the Census as Scotch Irish AKA Cracker-American.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 09, 2019 04:47 PM (e1mEI)

=========

Torn between Meat Popsicle and Tub of Goo.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (q80AH)

338 Ah, yes. But that's Section II, which is dependent on Section I, which in my simple mind defines a person as a citizen. You cannot disconnect the two.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (VpIIl)


No, it defines citizens as a subset of persons who meet certain criteria (being born or naturalized in the United States).

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (wCmLp)

339 She can blame climate change for this.
Posted by: Roy at July 09, 2019 04:47 PM (Gvpa/)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (+0VWg)

340 The game is obvious for anyone with one functioning brain cell. Including illegals in the counting increases the number of Representatives apportioned to each state and therefore it's EVs. And I no longer care to argue with leftists about it.

Them: OMG you're a racist!

Me: ::shrug:: If that makes you happy, fine. I DGAF what you think.

Posted by: physics geek at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (huQJB)

341 Hypothetical: If a mass invasion of illegals swarmed Texas in 2020 and established some form of residency, filled out the Census, and then returned to their shitholes, then foreign residents would be determining US Governance.

And that is absurd.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (1ISKN)

342 Hilarious:

Ilhan Omar retold the plot of Les Miserables in a speech to high school students five years ago -- but acted like it really happened, and that she personally witnessed it, with the poor bread-thief sentenced to prison being a sad hungry African-American grandmother in the evil ol' USA, not a French peasant in the 18th century. Omar claimed to have been in the courtroom during the sentencing scene in Les Miserables , and leapt up like a righteous heroine to defend to poor shoplifter who was merely trying to feed her granddaughter!!! What a hero! :

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/ ilhan-omar-admits-she-may-have-flubbed-some- facts-in-dramatic-story-she-told-high-school-students/

When called out on this ludicrous lie, she conceded merely that she had "flubbed some facts" in her memory of the incident (from three centuries ago).

Posted by: zombie at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (oFcdC)

343 You're not taking into account that The Constitution is a living, breathing document.
Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Zz0t1)

But, only when Democrat Socialists are giving it mouth to mouth!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (AZxMX)

344 Well, the language itself is, "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed" from the 14th amendment.

Unless you're going to argue that illegals don't have personhood. But that argument will never fly.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (wCmLp)


Don't need to. Intent argument and legislative history may indeed prove that "person" was intended to include only slaves who formerly were not considered citizens.


The second clause reads thusly, implying that representation and apportionment indeed concern citizens, including those former non-citizens.


But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (t6MX/)

345 340 The game is obvious for anyone with one functioning brain cell. Including illegals in the counting increases the number of Representatives apportioned to each state and therefore it's EVs. And I no longer care to argue with leftists about it.

Them: OMG you're a racist!

Me: ::shrug:: If that makes you happy, fine. I DGAF what you think.
Posted by: physics geek at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (huQJB)

==========

"Calling him a racist didn't work, what do we do now?"
-Them 1

"Call him a racist again!"
-Them 2

"Yeah, but louder!"
-Them 3

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (q80AH)

346 The 1860 Census probably was suspended for the duration, since in those days (before computers and even Hollerith cards) it meant sending out actual people to ask the Census questions, and then took most of a decade to tabulate the results. Both North and South were a little busy 1861-1865.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:43 PM (ClOmq)
++++++++++++
Wasn't the census largely done by mail even then (as it is now)? Census takers couldn't do their work, obviously, but weren't the forms by mail? I thought one of the reasons that Post Office is the *only* service guaranteed by the federal government was to help make sure the census happened.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (I2dne)

347 For purposes of apportionment they are not persons.
Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (cFjO7)

Plyler vs Doe, 1982. Supreme Court Ruling, Illegal Aliens are considered "Persons" under the Constitution, and as such are granted Equal Protection under the Law.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (Kpl3J)

348 I'll be the judge of this.

Posted by: The Honorable Judge Malikikalamara at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (fK4Z3)

349 325 Her work in Angel Heart was inspiring
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:44 PM (bcbK8

Isn't that the one with Jean Claude Van Damme in it?
Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (Zz0t1)

....no?

There's Lionheart, with JCVD. It sings the song of my people.

Angel Heart had Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.

And tits.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (bcbK8)

350 Do you think it would be to this country's advantage to institute Australian election rules?

That is, you've got to have ID, but have to vote, and you're fined $50AUD (US maybe $40) if you DON'T vote?

Posted by: JEM at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (8erNz)

351 Somebody can see in my prior comments that I'm up to the inherent conflict of the legal category of somebody here without regard to the Law.

And if you could show me a convincing Constitutional argument that "persons" cannot refer to illegals, I'd buy it. That would close the classification problem above.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (DuZls)

352
He wanted to control the Beaver Trade.
Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:37 PM (cFjO7)

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Sounds like wife swapping to me.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (8XRCm)

353 343
You're not taking into account that The Constitution is a living, breathing document.

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Zz0t1)



But, only when Democrat Socialists are giving it mouth to mouth!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019

*
*
. . .

More like using a cattle prod on it.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (ClOmq)

354 350 Do you think it would be to this country's advantage to institute Australian election rules?

That is, you've got to have ID, but have to vote, and you're fined $50AUD (US maybe $40) if you DON'T vote?

Posted by: JEM at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (8erNz)

==========

Not voting is a valid political choice and should never be punished.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:50 PM (q80AH)

355 Jake Gibson @JakeBGibson
1m
Former State Department employee Candace Claiborne sentenced to 40 months in federal prison for passing internal state department documents to Chinese agents in exchange for tens of thousands of dollars in cash and gifts.



I sold out the US to China for 20 years, and all I got was a Chinese driver. Not even a t-shirt.

- Diane Feinstein

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:50 PM (sy5kK)

356 Without reading the above...

The best rational for asking citizenship,
We want to know how many Americans live in America.


Other than maybe age, no other questions will be asked.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 09, 2019 04:50 PM (1g7ch)

357 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/ ilhan-omar-admits-she-may-have-flubbed-some- facts-in-dramatic-story-she-told-high-school-students/

When called out on this ludicrous lie, she conceded merely that she had "flubbed some facts" in her memory of the incident (from three centuries ago).
Posted by: zombie at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (oFcdC)


Some people did some things......

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:50 PM (Zz0t1)

358 There's Lionheart, with JCVD. It sings the song of my people.

Angel Heart had Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.

And tits.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (bcbK
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And Brian Dennehy played?

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:50 PM (DuZls)

359 An idle thought, still working on it...

The preamble makes clear that the source of government power and authority is We The People.

Who are those "People?" Did the authors contemplate hordes of non citizens in that calculus?

I don't think they did.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at July 09, 2019 04:50 PM (qSCcj)

360 Aliens, legally in the country, were intended to be counted in the Census. Not illegal aliens.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (1ISKN)

361 346
The 1860 Census probably was suspended for the duration, since in those
days (before computers and even Hollerith cards) it meant sending out
actual people to ask the Census questions, and then took most of a
decade to tabulate the results. Both North and South were a little busy
1861-1865.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:43 PM (ClOmq)

++++++++++++

Wasn't the census largely done by mail even then (as it is now)?
Census takers couldn't do their work, obviously, but weren't the forms
by mail? I thought one of the reasons that Post Office is the *only*
service guaranteed by the federal government was to help make sure the
census happened.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 09, 2019

*
*
. . .

I'm guessing. Wildly.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (ClOmq)

362 343 You're not taking into account that The Constitution is a living, breathing document.
Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Zz0t1)

But, only when Democrat Socialists are giving it mouth to mouth!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (AZxMX)

It was horrible! [sobs]

Posted by: The Constitution at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (RD7QR)

363 >>Ilhan Omar retold the plot of Les Miserables in a speech to high school students five years ago -- but acted like it really happened


The worst part is that she used this made-up story to say that the US was worse than Somalia.
She is a horrid, America-hating person and she is in Congress to destroy it.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (bDqIh)

364 338 Ah, yes. But that's Section II, which is dependent on Section I, which in my simple mind defines a person as a citizen. You cannot disconnect the two.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 09, 2019 04:45 PM (VpIIl)

No, it defines citizens as a subset of persons who meet certain criteria (being born or naturalized in the United States).
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (wCmLp)

Yes, and to repeat the case, Plyler vs Doe held that Illegal Aliens are still Persons under the law, therefore in a Constitutional framework, "Persons" refers to something different than "Citizens".

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (Kpl3J)

365 And millions of illegals. Only one's I'm after.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 04:41 PM (ATv6t)




Of course. But they are non-citizens. And sadly, they are used in
counts to create "rotten borough" districts of a relatively small number
of voters. How else to explain Alexandra Occassional Cortex?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 04:47 PM (ujg0T)

And it is a perverse reading of the 14th Amendment that allows the disenfranchisement of actual citizens, including those the 14th Amendment intended to benefit, to read "persons" as including illegal invading hordes of non-citizens.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (t6MX/)

366 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Buy Crystal Embers Today! at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (q80AH)
*******
Kris Kobach?? I still would love for PDT to pick he to lead the DHS

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (BqBId)

367 The 3/5 compromise supports intention to count non-citizens and then you look at the non counting of Native Americans. That's a knuckle curve ball slider.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (B1ik8)

368 I put "science" in scare quotes because there was a study.

Hardly definitive and the finding was NOT that it caused lower response from illegals but from Hispanics in general.

Let's just say that is not credible.

And they deal with non-responses with census takers. Geez.

Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (ZfRYq)

369 358 There's Lionheart, with JCVD. It sings the song of my people.

Angel Heart had Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.

And tits.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (bcbK
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And Brian Dennehy played?
Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:50 PM (DuZls)

New Orleans.
He was great, as usual.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (bcbK8)

370 Betcha they could get a question about how many guns you own or if you smoke on the census no muss no fuss

Posted by: Total Control Racist at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (RTNNy)

371 Plyler vs Doe, 1982. Supreme Court Ruling, Illegal Aliens are considered "Persons" under the Constitution, and as such are granted Equal Protection under the Law.

Yeah that one's disgusting. If you look at the majority it's pretty clear why elections matter.

Posted by: JEM at July 09, 2019 04:52 PM (8erNz)

372
Angel Heart had Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.



And tits.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (bcbK

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And Brian Dennehy played?

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019

*
*
. . .
He played New Orleans, which subbed for 1950s New York.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:52 PM (ClOmq)

373 Are legal immigrants & permanent residents counted in the census?

Posted by: josephistan at July 09, 2019 04:52 PM (Izzlo)

374 You're not taking into account that The Constitution is a living, breathing document.
Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Zz0t1)

Constitution flatlined about 1968. Still twitching even though it's dead.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 09, 2019 04:52 PM (e1mEI)

375 Including illegals in the counting increases the number of Representatives apportioned

And asking the question attacks what the Democrats rely on: open borders. If we had the Wall, the question wouldn't matter much. But the question may help us get there.

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2019 04:52 PM (nIvDu)

376 350 Do you think it would be to this country's advantage to institute Australian election rules?

That is, you've got to have ID, but have to vote, and you're fined $50AUD (US maybe $40) if you DON'T vote?

Posted by: JEM at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (8erNz)


I would think being compelled for an opinion is not Constitutional.

Wait though. Is a vote also a tax?


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:52 PM (sy5kK)

377 >>Plyler vs Doe, 1982. Supreme Court Ruling, Illegal Aliens are considered "Persons" under the Constitution, and as such are granted Equal Protection under the Law.


That decision does not address apportionment, does it. I thought that was a Civil Rights case.

Nobody has a right to Federal Representation unless they are a citizen. Otherwise, the world could vote in our elections.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:52 PM (9jdGK)

378 When called out on this ludicrous lie, she conceded merely that she had "flubbed some facts" in her memory of the incident (from three centuries ago).
Posted by: zombie at July 09, 2019 04:48 PM (oFcdC)

Some people did some things......
Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:50 PM (Zz0t1)
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Yeah, I tried to pass Star Wars off as my personal story of growing up on a desert planet, too.

I might have flubbed a few facts--especially that part about finding out my father was the Evil Overlord.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:52 PM (DuZls)

379 She is a horrid, America-hating person and she is in Congress to destroy it.

Yeah, she's a nasty little savage but you won't get rid of her until you get rid of her district.

Posted by: JEM at July 09, 2019 04:53 PM (8erNz)

380 You can find a link to the .pdf of the original 1860 Census results right here: it was completed before the war began.

https://tinyurl.com/y3aroqkb

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:53 PM (Kpl3J)

381 367 The 3/5 compromise supports intention to count non-citizens and then you look at the non counting of Native Americans. That's a knuckle curve ball slider.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (B1ik

They basically wanted it to include permanent resident subjects. Its not as complicated as people make it out to be.

Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 04:53 PM (p997d)

382 Let's try this...before I get handed an Italican bottle and sent off to the barrel.

Posted by: JEM at July 09, 2019 04:53 PM (8erNz)

383 Not voting is a sign of societal health. The non-voter is unconcerned that his fellow citizens will place intolerable burdens upon him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at July 09, 2019 04:54 PM (fK4Z3)

384 Seriously? She cribbed from Les Miserables?

LOLOLOLOL.

How did she think that would fly? Unreal.

Next up:

A woman with three front doors will tell her harrowing tale of being ravished by orangeman in a manner eerily reminiscent of "The Rape of Lucretia."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 04:54 PM (AzW6q)

385 372
Angel Heart had Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.



And tits.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:49 PM (bcbK

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And Brian Dennehy played?

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019
*
*
. . .
He played New Orleans, which subbed for 1950s New York.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:52 PM (ClOmq)

He's so versatile. He's like the Daniel Day Lewis of actors.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:54 PM (bcbK8)

386 So Omar is living Les Miserables.

AOC is Evita.

I think Tlaib will be next with her family's failed attempt to get a Hitler musical set up.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at July 09, 2019 04:54 PM (qSCcj)

387 383 >> Voting is knowing they will.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:54 PM (1ISKN)

388 360 Aliens, legally in the country, were intended to be counted in the Census. Not illegal aliens.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (1ISKN)



There will need to be legislation on this, because even THAT is problematic for district drawing.

Resident Aliens, while perfectly fine, should not be voting. And where they are concentrated, like *cities*, you will get "rotten borough" districts.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (ujg0T)

389
Angel Heart had Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.

And tits.



I don't want to see either of their tits.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (oVJmc)

390 The 3/5 compromise was a compromise. The Northern states wanted slaves to count for zero. The Southern wanted them to count for one. So they compromised.

It was NOT based on the diminished value of people with black skin but rather because they were slaves. It wasn't like they chose to live there.

The fact that the original census language does not make other distinctions such as men or by age lends itself to counting people.

Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (ZfRYq)

391 >>He's like the Daniel Day Lewis of actors.


That guy should be on Mt Rushmore.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (9jdGK)

392 360 Aliens, legally in the country, were intended to be counted in the Census. Not illegal aliens.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (1ISKN)


this.

and it is consistent with the 1982 ruling, yes?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (sy5kK)

393 Yeah, I tried to pass Star Wars off as my personal story of growing up on a desert planet, too.

I might have flubbed a few facts--especially that part about finding out my father was the Evil Overlord.
Posted by: Axeman


I remember that time when I was working in a factory and there was this one guy named Sparatus who was trying to unionize the workers, and the boss came out onto the factory floor and said, "Alright you goddamn peons! Which one of you is Spartacus, trying to unionize this place?" But before the real Spartacus could identify himself, I leapt up and said, "I am Spartacus!" And then one by one all the other factory workers stood up and said, "No, I am Spartacus!"

Oh what a righteous scene it was! We were smashing capitalism that day. Rally happened just like that, swearsies!

Posted by: zombie at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (oFcdC)

394 That decision does not address apportionment, does it. I thought that was a Civil Rights case. "

No, but it did give us the legal Definition of "Persons", as mandated by the Supreme Court, for all legal disputes in the United Disputes.

Therefore that definition of "Persons" is mandatory for every Constitutional Case, no matter the subject matter, in every court in the US - even State Courts, since it is a civil rights matter.

If you want to change it, Amend the Constitution.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (Kpl3J)

395 The 3/5 compromise supports intention to count non-citizens and then you look at the non counting of Native Americans. That's a knuckle curve ball slider.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (B1ik
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Non-taxed Indians. I.e. Indians not living on what had legally been declared not our jurisdiction, their reservations.

So, Indians that had come to town to open up a shop and act like an American, were citizens and counted. (Not that the xenophobia allowed for that often).

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (DuZls)

396 They basically wanted it to include permanent resident subjects. Its not as complicated as people make it out to be.
Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 04:53 PM (p997d)

Native Americans not permanent residents?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 04:56 PM (B1ik8)

397 Barr's Elegant Solution:

Print up the 2010 Census Forms with a New Date at the top.

Problem solved.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 09, 2019 04:56 PM (NoKAc)

398 Aliens, legally in the country, were intended to be counted in the Census. Not illegal aliens.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 04:51 PM (1ISKN)
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What I'm wondering is this: at the time the Constitution was written, was there even such a thing as a legal vs. illegal alien? In other words, could anyone just come here and live here if they wanted to without going through naturalization? I rather think they could - they would not be citizens, so could not vote, but could live here perfectly legally.

What I'm trying to get at is that I don't know that there was a process in place that people had to follow in order to be able to come live in the New World, the way there is now.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:56 PM (aXucN)

399 What then is the point in having a DHS?

More freeloaders living on the taxpayers' dime?

Posted by: Fritz at July 09, 2019 04:56 PM (kLDv+)

400 You're not taking into account that The Constitution is a living, breathing document.

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Zz0t1)



But, only when Democrat Socialists are giving it mouth to mouth!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 09, 2019


------

Those assholes argue that the Constitution is a living breathing document WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY arguing that Stare Decisis states that settled law is settled law.

Which is it boyos.??

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 04:56 PM (8XRCm)

401 386 So Omar is living Les Miserables.

AOC is Evita.

I think Tlaib will be next with her family's failed attempt to get a Hitler musical set up.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at July 09, 2019 04:54 PM (qSCcj)

Springtime for Arafat
And Palestine.
Winter for Israel
And the US...

Posted by: Rancid Tlaib at July 09, 2019 04:57 PM (RD7QR)

402 But before the real Spartacus could identify himself, I leapt up and said, "I am Spartacus!" And then one by one all the other factory workers stood up and said, "No, I am Spartacus!"

Oh what a righteous scene it was! We were smashing capitalism that day. Rally happened just like that, swearsies!
Posted by: zombie at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (oFcdC)
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You stole Corey Booker's moment. (Style rule, Do I need "fiercely heterosexual" here?)

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 04:57 PM (DuZls)

403 This is a man that's at the end of his career and knows that their is nothing the Crazy's can do to him and gives no Fucks.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 09, 2019 04:57 PM (dKiJG)

404 The Northern states wanted slaves to count for zero. The Southern wanted them to count for one. So they compromised.

Using GOPe math.

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2019 04:57 PM (nIvDu)

405 393 Yeah, I tried to pass Star Wars off as my personal story of growing up on a desert planet, too.

I might have flubbed a few facts--especially that part about finding out my father was the Evil Overlord.
Posted by: Axeman

I remember that time when I was working in a factory and there was this one guy named Sparatus who was trying to unionize the workers, and the boss came out onto the factory floor and said, "Alright you goddamn peons! Which one of you is Spartacus, trying to unionize this place?" But before the real Spartacus could identify himself, I leapt up and said, "I am Spartacus!" And then one by one all the other factory workers stood up and said, "No, I am Spartacus!"

Oh what a righteous scene it was! We were smashing capitalism that day. Rally happened just like that, swearsies!
Posted by: zombie at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (oFcdC)

I cried when you were crucified by Crassus along the Appian Way.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:58 PM (bcbK8)

406 we need a push poll that asks ... if there were 30 million illegals in the USA, should they be given 40 representatives and 40 electoral votes, just for them?


They do get that, or maybe more. Especially now that their anchor babies and grand babies are voting, and they get the reps and ECs even if they are illegals (and they still have their government rep in their home country ... double representation ... they count twice).

Posted by: illiniwek at July 09, 2019 04:58 PM (Cus5s)

407 and it is consistent with the 1982 ruling, yes?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (sy5kK)

Actually, it is not. The 1982 ruling says that Illegal Aliens are Persons for all purposes under the Constitution.

Specifically, a school district in Texas tried to block illegal aliens from enrolling in public schools. The 1982 ruling ordered all public schools to enroll illegal aliens immediately.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:59 PM (Kpl3J)

408 Yeah, I tried to pass Star Wars off as my personal story of growing up on a desert planet, too.



I might have flubbed a few facts--especially that part about finding out my father was the Evil Overlord.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019

*
*
. . .
I tried to pass off the struggle with Doctor No as my personal story of How I Spent My Summer Vacation.

The teacher wanted to see my burn and giant squid sucker scars for proof. I pretended I was having a recurrence of chickenpox, and cleared the room in a hurry. Whew; that was close.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 04:59 PM (ClOmq)

409 389
Angel Heart had Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.

And tits.


I don't want to see either of their tits.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (oVJmc)

De Niro keeps his top on.

Lisa Bonet, on the other hand....rowr

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:59 PM (bcbK8)

410
What I'm wondering is this: at the time the Constitution was written, was there even such a thing as a legal vs. illegal alien? In other words, could anyone just come here and live here if they wanted to without going through naturalization? I rather think they could - they would not be citizens, so could not vote, but could live here perfectly legally.

What I'm trying to get at is that I don't know that there was a process in place that people had to follow in order to be able to come live in the New World, the way there is now.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:56 PM (aXucN)

There was not pretty much. You would however be a subject of the US and not simultaneously whatever Crown you belonged to before. Everyone who is a subject of the same entity is part of that country.
A single person could be king of Austria and Spain, but a Spaniard is not an Austrian. The way the law applies to them would be different.

Modern ideas of citizenship are vastly different.

Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 04:59 PM (p997d)

411 Simple approach - use the exact same form that was used before that also included the question. How can the courts say that something that was legal then and not challenged is illegal now when there have been no changes in the laws? Would that make the results of a previous census illegal?

Posted by: OldManRick at July 09, 2019 04:59 PM (CMkZa)

412 Off to read Plyler v. Doe

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 09, 2019 05:00 PM (t6MX/)

413
A few years ago, I was working a job of corporate drudgery. I wanted out so bad, I even considered resorting to crime.

At my lowest moment - I found a way out. A wise and solemn man in a leather trenchcoat, who I'd never seen before, helped me escape the clutches of the police, and explained to me that my life and this world were not what they seemed.

Not one bit. And he explained my higher calling.

He asked me to choose between two pills. If I took one, I could go back to my life as if nothing had happened. But if I took the other, I could see the world as it truly is, and accept the burden of my responsibility to fix it.

That man was Elizabeth Warren.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 05:00 PM (AzW6q)

414 What I'm wondering is this: at the time the Constitution was written, was there even such a thing as a legal vs. illegal alien? In other words, could anyone just come here and live here if they wanted to without going through naturalization? I rather think they could - they would not be citizens, so could not vote, but could live here perfectly legally.

What I'm trying to get at is that I don't know that there was a process in place that people had to follow in order to be able to come live in the New World, the way there is now.
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 04:56 PM (aXucN)
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It is arguable that there was no restriction on people jumping a ship from Europe and coming over here. And I know of no restrictions--except those that said they couldn't be "Natural-born citizens" and had to be "naturalized".

I'm pretty sure that a growing America probably would have welcomed such people, because America was fledgling and would probably have welcomed people who wanted to join in on the Lockean principles.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:00 PM (DuZls)

415 407 and it is consistent with the 1982 ruling, yes?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (sy5kK)

Actually, it is not. The 1982 ruling says that Illegal Aliens are Persons for all purposes under the Constitution.

Specifically, a school district in Texas tried to block illegal aliens from enrolling in public schools. The 1982 ruling ordered all public schools to enroll illegal aliens immediately.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:59 PM (Kpl3J)


so before we change the Constitution, how many D's need to be disappeared?

Oh, wait, that's a math question. Sorry.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 05:01 PM (sy5kK)

416 This is just part of the cover-up.

Posted by: Adam Schiff at July 09, 2019 05:01 PM (KoKdw)

417 409 389
Angel Heart had Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.

And tits.


I don't want to see either of their tits.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (oVJmc)

De Niro keeps his top on.

Lisa Bonet, on the other hand....rowr
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:59 PM (bcbK

She's either gotten work done on her face or else she aged evil.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at July 09, 2019 05:01 PM (RD7QR)

418 I'll never forget that fateful day when all I built up around me came crashing down, my idealism rent asunder through years of relentless social and political climbing, all culminating in the destruction of a snow globe on my deathbed as my mind drifted back to simpler, childhood memories. It made me the man I am today.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at July 09, 2019 05:02 PM (oZ6kz)

419 Seems to be a race to find how many Republicans had ancestors who owned slaves, leaving out they were Democrats. No one is looking for Democrats ancestors.

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2019 05:02 PM (BbGew)

420 But how does the 1982 ruling square with later rulings?

Verdugo-Urquidez, Heller, etc?

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at July 09, 2019 05:02 PM (qSCcj)

421 Of course illegals should be counted in the census that determines apportionment of Representatives and EVs. - said the unserious person

Cool. CA can bus in another 5 million non-citizens right before the Census, count them and add some more Reps and EVs to the state's total, just like the founders invisioned amirite?

Honestly, you can quibble over the word persons vs citizens or you can honestly answer with the question: do non-citizens deserve a say in our government? Nothing in the Constitution indicates that the answer is, or was ever meant to be, yes.

Posted by: physics geek at July 09, 2019 05:02 PM (huQJB)

422 417 409 389
Angel Heart had Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.

And tits.


I don't want to see either of their tits.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (oVJmc)

De Niro keeps his top on.

Lisa Bonet, on the other hand....rowr
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:59 PM (bcbK

She's either gotten work done on her face or else she aged evil.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at July 09, 2019 05:01 PM (RD7QR)

Uff da, yes

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 05:02 PM (bcbK8)

423 I am pretty sure that Barr's clever plan will be to just do it.

Because the case was not that the Census cannot ask the question but that the process did not satisfy some judges thinking about whether there had been a rational reason for it.

So go with a new process. I bet executive order for national security. Because the courts give the executive broad leeway there.

Is it an end run and not really the case because they made a different explanation earlier. Sure, but eff them, new rules. You going to play it like the courts have a say in census questions, we will play it this way.

Bring it Hawaiian judge.

Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 05:02 PM (ZfRYq)

424 So a shitty 1982 SCOTUS decision leaves a loophole that gets weaponized to criminal behavior by rogue states against the actual citizens in the union.


Good reason to overrule that shitty precedent.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (oVJmc)

425 Over my summer vacation I fought a shapeshifting clown spider with 5 of my friends in the sewer systems of rural Maine. And we all fucked too.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (oZ6kz)

426 Nancy Pelosi is a vicious life-sucking bitch from which there is no escape.

Posted by: SMOD at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (QkjLD)

427 The Constitution was written during a time and context where subject status predominated and was well understood. It is of course as clear as mud to us today on the topic, but one could be an American subject of the British Empire and not a British citizen whilst also being an Englishman. The American jurisdiction applies there.

Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (p997d)

428 I did my best to find out why the boy was practically catatonic with fear, until he whispered something about seeing dead people. All the time I wondered why my wife ignored me in public and I never changed clothes. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (ClOmq)

429 What I'm wondering is this: at the time the Constitution was written, was there even such a thing as a legal vs. illegal alien? "

From 1787 to 1867, there were no rules at all for Citizenship -- it depended on the States, and in many states only White, Landowning Men could be citizens. Not slaves, not women, not children, since none of them were allowed to vote.

the 14th Amendment, one of the three Reconstruction amendments, changed all that and set out the only rules we have for Citizenship. The entire concept was in the early stages, and I think there are serious flaws in the 14th, like Birthright Citizenship. But we need to face up to the fact that the Constitution has to be amended, and these portions rewritten, and that is going to be hard work. We can't just do like liberals would and "re-interpret" the clear wording into what we wish it would have said.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (Kpl3J)

430 How can the courts say that something that was legal then and not challenged is illegal now when there have been no changes in the laws? Would that make the results of a previous census illegal?
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*cough* Obergefell *cough*

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (DuZls)

431
De Niro keeps his top on.

Lisa Bonet, on the other hand....rowr
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 04:59 PM (bcbK


I always say "F*** De Niro", but in fact, I would rather F*** Lisa Bonet.


F*** is such a universal word. So many meanings.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 05:04 PM (sy5kK)

432
Actually, it is not. The 1982 ruling says that Illegal Aliens are Persons for all purposes under the Constitution.

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Ummm.... they cant purchase firearms.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 05:04 PM (8XRCm)

433 I am pretty sure that Barr's clever plan will be to just do it.

Because the case was not that the Census cannot ask the question but that the process did not satisfy some judges thinking about whether there had been a rational reason for it.

So go with a new process. I bet executive order for national security. Because the courts give the executive broad leeway there.

Is it an end run and not really the case because they made a different explanation earlier. Sure, but eff them, new rules. You going to play it like the courts have a say in census questions, we will play it this way.

Bring it Hawaiian judge.
Posted by: blaster


Dear judge, justify why it was on every census EXCEPT Obola's. Have a nice day and GFY.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 05:04 PM (ATv6t)

434 14th Amendment, Section 2 has a provision that requires the government to use the number of citizens.

Posted by: SMOD at July 09, 2019 05:04 PM (QkjLD)

435 I'm pretty sure that a growing America probably would have welcomed such people, because America was fledgling and would probably have welcomed people who wanted to join in on the Lockean principles.
Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:00 PM (DuZls)
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That's my thought too. So I think the reason the Founders (or Amenders) didn't include anything vis-a-vis legal vs. illegal aliens is because that situation didn't exist.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 05:04 PM (aXucN)

436 Anyone who thinks the Constitution is a "living document" should go play poker with a living Book of Hoyle.

Posted by: josephistan at July 09, 2019 05:04 PM (Izzlo)

437 @bluebell. YES there were legal and illegal immigrants. You will note in the Declaration one of the complaints was that the King had blocked new laws on Naturalization.

Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 05:05 PM (ZfRYq)

438 Actually, it is not. The 1982 ruling says that Illegal Aliens are Persons for all purposes under the Constitution.

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Ummm.... they cant purchase firearms.
Posted by: fixerupper


Can't be drafted.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 05:05 PM (ATv6t)

439 Fuck John Roberts and this concept that something is illegal because of what motivates it.

Either something is illegal or it's not, not your place to judge feelings.

Did the Supreme Court ever stop a single Obama Executive Order?

Posted by: Blago at July 09, 2019 05:05 PM (UfkIY)

440 Down in the sewer we just love the song "99 Luftballons"

Posted by: pennywise at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (4HMlb)

441 But we need to face up to the fact that the Constitution has to be amended, and these portions rewritten, and that is going to be hard work. We can't just do like liberals would and "re-interpret" the clear wording into what we wish it would have said.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (Kpl3J)


You mean like the 2A and the Left. Poster child for "re-interpreting" the Constitution.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (sy5kK)

442 Actually, it is not. The 1982 ruling says that Illegal Aliens are Persons for all purposes under the Constitution.

-----

Ummm.... they cant purchase firearms.
Posted by: fixerupper


Can't be drafted.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2019 05:05 PM (ATv6t)

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Cant vote.


Yet....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (8XRCm)

443 The 1982 ruling is shit. Lots of them are.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (xfb67)

444 I helped a friend pick up his Girlfriend at the Airport and she ended up being Kidnapped by some Asian Gang, we went after them then some gang war broke out and they STOLE MY TRUCK.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (dKiJG)

445
It all started when I was a baby, and I was abandoned by my mother.

I was just a bastard in a basket...

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (AzW6q)

446 No one thought to challenge Jug Ears when he had it taken off.

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2019 05:07 PM (BbGew)

447 John Roberts: the president has the constitutional authority to do this, but I don't like his reason, so no.

The president: Justice Roberts, my reason is that you should go forth and eat a satchel of Richards. My answer is yes.

Posted by: physics geek at July 09, 2019 05:07 PM (huQJB)

448 More illegals than Blacks? All signs point to Yes.

Posted by: Regular joe at July 09, 2019 05:07 PM (6/uwW)

449 As Tom Servo pointed out, being a citizen is not the same as being an American. However he is wrong in thinking that being temporary located here makes one an American. English troops stationed here remained English, unlike English Permanent residents.

Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 05:07 PM (p997d)

450 I think there are serious flaws in the 14th, like Birthright Citizenship. But we need to face up to the fact that the Constitution has to be amended, and these portions rewritten, and that is going to be hard work. We can't just do like liberals would and "re-interpret" the clear wording into what we wish it would have said.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (Kpl3J)
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No, that's actually saved by "subject to its jurisdiction". Yes foreigners couldn't just break the law, but they were not fully "subject to the jurisdiction" of America.

And neither is a baby when it hits American dirt. There is a some hard legal theory on this. That such a term would only apply to someone who's father owed no foreign allegeance.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:07 PM (DuZls)

451 Actually, Obama lost in the courts a lot.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 05:07 PM (xfb67)

452 444 I helped a friend pick up his Girlfriend at the Airport and she ended up being Kidnapped by some Asian Gang, we went after them then some gang war broke out and they STOLE MY TRUCK.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (dKiJG)

Sounds like Big Trouble, where did this happen?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (bcbK8)

453 444 I helped a friend pick up his Girlfriend at the Airport and she ended up being Kidnapped by some Asian Gang, we went after them then some gang war broke out and they STOLE MY TRUCK.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (dKiJG)

Go on about the girlfriend.

Posted by: jess goldberg at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (13dPG)

454 re 443: the Abortion ruling does come to mind..

Posted by: catman at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (4HMlb)

455 Don't you hate when you get killed by Libyans just because you're trying to buy some plutonium for your time machine?

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (oZ6kz)

456 Obama removes the question from the long form and it's hunky dory. Trump tries to add it back on and it's now racist and constitutionally suspect. Be advised that there is no Orange Man Bad exception, no matter how much a Hawaiian judge would like there to be.

Posted by: physics geek at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (huQJB)

457 Actually, Obama lost in the courts a lot.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 09, 2019 05:07 PM (xfb67)

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Lottsa 9-0 smackdowns too.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (8XRCm)

458 170 From what I've found on the net, it looks like the justification is going to be that the Second Half of the clause in the 14th Amendment dealing with Citizenship mandates the counting of Citizens, as well as Persons, in order to determine whether or not the Constitution is being complied with.

Therefore, this is a Constitutional Mandate.
Therefore, this is the Justification for putting it on.
Recall that in Robert's opinion, he didn't say they couldn't ask it, he just said they had to have a legally neutral, non capricious explanation as to why they had chosen to change the policy. So this looks like it could fill the bill.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:23 PM (Kpl3J)


In his defense, Roberts has shown through his opinions that he doesn't understand the Constitution.

But he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (sy5kK)

459 Yet....
Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM

They get representation in Congress

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (BbGew)

460 Over my summer vacation I fought a shapeshifting clown spider with 5 of my friends in the sewer systems of rural Maine. And we all fucked too.
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (oZ6kz)


So, you were the only dude then, right?

Posted by: Sponge at July 09, 2019 05:09 PM (VLp1b)

461 Please Clap
Posted by: Jeb!
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Easy for you to say.

Posted by: Biil Clinton at July 09, 2019 05:09 PM (/dN1M)

462 438 Actually, it is not. The 1982 ruling says that Illegal Aliens are Persons for all purposes under the Constitution.

-----

Ummm.... they cant purchase firearms.
Posted by: fixerupper


Can't be drafted.



No SS#s.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 05:09 PM (oVJmc)

463 I wasn't aware that Denise Huxtable was married to Aquaman.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at July 09, 2019 05:10 PM (fK4Z3)

464
Don't you hate when you get killed by Libyans just because you're trying to buy some plutonium for your time machine?
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (oZ6kz)

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The same injustice of American capitalist imperialism that drove us from our homes forced us to resort to uranium heists to get by in your relentlessly materialistic country.

And time travel is white privilege!

Posted by: Libyans at July 09, 2019 05:10 PM (AzW6q)

465 One of the major demands of the revolutionaries before things came to a head was for the 13 colonies to be treated as though they were England as opposed to a separate entity.

Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 05:10 PM (p997d)

466 458 And he likes to be invited to those Washington parties

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2019 05:10 PM (BbGew)

467 449 As Tom Servo pointed out, being a citizen is not the same as being an American. However he is wrong in thinking that being temporary located here makes one an American. English troops stationed here remained English, unlike English Permanent residents.
Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 05:07 PM (p997d)

Fine, the English troops can stay.

But not in my house!

Posted by: Third Amendment at July 09, 2019 05:10 PM (sy5kK)

468 I'll never forget that fateful day when all I built up around me came crashing down, my idealism rent asunder through years of relentless social and political climbing, all culminating in the destruction of a snow globe on my deathbed as my mind drifted back to simpler, childhood memories. It made me the man I am today.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at July 09, 2019 05:02 PM (oZ6kz)
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Noice.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:10 PM (DuZls)

469 461 Please Clap
Posted by: Jeb!
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Easy for you to say.
Posted by: Biil Clinton at July 09, 2019 05:09 PM (/dN1M)

And that little girl was Michelle Fields.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 05:10 PM (bcbK8)

470 The citizenship question is on the American Community Survey and no one says boo about it being inaccurate.

People say well it isn't the census!

It is however an instrument of the Census Bureau and the information is used to supplement the census on policy.

So John Roberts can indeed consume a satchel of Richards.

Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 05:11 PM (ZfRYq)

471 I grew up with basically an adopted black kid as a big brother who eventually played in the NFL .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 09, 2019 05:11 PM (B1ik8)

472 @bluebell. YES there were legal and illegal immigrants. You will note in the Declaration one of the complaints was that the King had blocked new laws on Naturalization.

Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 05:05 PM (ZfRYq)
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Yes, he blocked new laws on naturalization but that just meant people couldn't become citizens, not that they became illegal aliens, right? It doesn't say anything about people being here against the law.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 05:11 PM (aXucN)

473 No SS#s.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 05:09 PM (oVJmc)
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Except from Connecticut!

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:11 PM (DuZls)

474 452 444 I helped a friend pick up his Girlfriend at the Airport and she ended up being Kidnapped by some Asian Gang, we went after them then some gang war broke out and they STOLE MY TRUCK.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (dKiJG)

Sounds like Big Trouble, where did this happen?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (bcbK

She have green eyes?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 09, 2019 05:11 PM (NWiLs)

475 Check One only
[ ] Beaner[ ] Not a Beaner
Posted by: US CENSUS at July 09, 2019 04:20 PM


Check One only
[ ] Chili [ ] Beaner [ ] Carroter

FIFY.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 09, 2019 05:12 PM (QWAv9)

476 463 I wasn't aware that Denise Huxtable was married to Aquaman.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at July 09, 2019 05:10 PM (fK4Z3)

They're in an open relationship but, shhhh, don't tell her. It's a surprise.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 05:12 PM (bcbK8)

477
I did not know this, but when a woman suffers a break up, her vulva does too.

She needs a Yoni massage to get over her broken heart:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yyvz6jxe

This would be just the thing for the butt-hurt NeverTrump cucks, an ass-yoni massage.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 09, 2019 05:12 PM (f1Vqw)

478 Serious question, are foreign ambassadors counted in the census?

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at July 09, 2019 05:12 PM (fK4Z3)

479 There are bad court decisions.


Labeling them 'precedent' does not make them better, or make them something we should live under forever.


That is just fueling a myth of an infallible judiciary.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (oVJmc)

480 the 14th Amendment, one of the three Reconstruction amendments, changed all that and set out the only rules we have for Citizenship. The entire concept was in the early stages, and I think there are serious flaws in the 14th, like Birthright Citizenship. But we need to face up to the fact that the Constitution has to be amended, and these portions rewritten, and that is going to be hard work. We can't just do like liberals would and "re-interpret" the clear wording into what we wish it would have said.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 05:03 PM (Kpl3J)



How much can be done legislatively, where the Constitution is not spelled out? That is, rather than magically read into the Constitution what isn't there, or worse, read out what blatantly is, we legislatively change that is which is unclear. This is a layman's question, so have at me attorneys.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (ujg0T)

481 I was a side line helper for a local college team and wound up being a college football star.

Posted by: catman at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (4HMlb)

482 Twitter Blocks "More Guns Less Crime" Author John Lott Jr Over Factual New Zealand Tweet


https://tinyurl.com/y4gmzy9j

Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (T/DJH)

483 476 463 I wasn't aware that Denise Huxtable was married to Aquaman.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at July 09, 2019 05:10 PM (fK4Z3)

They're in an open relationship but, shhhh, don't tell her. It's a surprise.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 05:12 PM (bcbK

Jason Momoa must be drowning in poon.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (NWiLs)

484 If you want to change it, Amend the Constitution.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 04:55 PM (Kpl3J)

Not necessary. "Person" is a construction of the courts, at a time in which the question of apportionment and representation may have had no applicability. "Persons" under Plyler was not adjudicated as to this clause, and although it arguably has persuasive weight, I think it can be and should be challenged as distinguishable, or overturned as a bad construction, for at least the reasons that I highlighted above, wherein "persons" was used to distinguish from former non-citizen slaves, for the purpose of apportionment and representation.
This is the only logical and rational reading of the term, "persons."

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (t6MX/)

485 Please Clap

Posted by: Jeb!

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Easy for you to say.

Posted by: Biil Clinton at July 09, 2019 05:09 PM (/dN1M)

Assholes!

Posted by: Michele Fields at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (gmo/4)

486 474 452 444 I helped a friend pick up his Girlfriend at the Airport and she ended up being Kidnapped by some Asian Gang, we went after them then some gang war broke out and they STOLE MY TRUCK.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (dKiJG)

Sounds like Big Trouble, where did this happen?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 05:08 PM (bcbK

She have green eyes?
Posted by: Insomniac at July 09, 2019 05:11 PM (NWiLs)

Impossible. Chinese girls do not come with green eyes.

Right Patrick?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (bcbK8)

487
You must allow your yoni to grieve.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (f1Vqw)

488 "Persons" applies equally to citizens, nationals, aliens, and invading armies.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (1g7ch)

489 And neither is a baby when it hits American dirt. There is a some hard legal theory on this. That such a term would only apply to someone who's father owed no foreign allegeance.
Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:07 PM (DuZls)

internet theory that is not recognized by a single court in the entire country. Even current US Code says if someone is born on US Soil, they are an automatic citizen. I would like to see it changed, but for now, it is what it is.

I don't want to seem too dismissive of the theory, but a lot of lay people don't realize that there are tens of thousands of legal "theories" about different things floating around, thousands more are written every year by law students working on papers. Until one of them is actually picked up by a Real Court and used in an Actual Decision, they don't have any more legal validity than posts like this on the net do.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (Kpl3J)

490
Zoe Kravitz > Lisa Bonet


There. I said it.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (8XRCm)

491 485 Please Clap

Posted by: Jeb!

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Easy for you to say.

Posted by: Biil Clinton at July 09, 2019 05:09 PM (/dN1M)

Assholes!
Posted by: Michele Fields at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (gmo/4)

How dare you people! I quit! Again!

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (NWiLs)

492 Serious question, are foreign ambassadors counted in the census?
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at July 09, 2019 05:12 PM (fK4Z3)
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Just a WAG on my part but I doubt that people who are here representing a foreign government are counted in the census.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (aXucN)

493
I was just a bastard in a basket...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 05:06 PM (AzW6q)


The Mitt Romney Story?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (sy5kK)

494 I am on iPad so my cut and pasted is lame goggle Declaration of Independence naturalization and read the essay on Heritage.org.

Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (ZfRYq)

495 I was a bum and on a bet became a stockbroker and made a bazillion dollars. (I love orange juice!)

Posted by: catman at July 09, 2019 05:15 PM (4HMlb)

496 479 There are bad court decisions.


Labeling them 'precedent' does not make them better, or make them something we should live under forever.


That is just fueling a myth of an infallible judiciary.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (oVJmc)

Precedent is the basis of English Common Law. Which is basically the judge acting as a village wiseman to adjudicate issues.

Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 05:15 PM (p997d)

497 Precedent is the basis of English Common Law. Which is basically the judge acting as a village wiseman to adjudicate issues.

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The Common Law was our greatest inheritance.

Posted by: SH at July 09, 2019 05:16 PM (sX1BW)

498 I remember this time that my family was throwing this masquerade party at the castle, and a stranger wearing a skull mask shows up. Things got really weird that night.

We saw shadows from the King in Yellow in his tattered robes from rising Carcosa across the Lake of Cali, and just at midnight the stranger said to my sister Cassilda "Mask? Madame, I wear no mask."

"Not upon us, O King", we cried.

Good times. Because I've made you all crazy now.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:16 PM (DuZls)

499 How dare you people! I quit! Again!
Posted by: Ben Shapiro at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (NWiLs)

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I love your markers dude.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 05:16 PM (8XRCm)

500 How much can be done legislatively, where the Constitution is not spelled out? That is, rather than magically read into the Constitution what isn't there, or worse, read out what blatantly is, we legislatively change that is which is unclear. This is a layman's question, so have at me attorneys.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM (ujg0T)

I've come around to thinking that Congress, backed by the President, could go a very long ways towards redefining all of these things. They changed all the rules for Indians in 1924, and that didn't take an amendment.

But I think the flaw in that plan is pretty obvious.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 05:16 PM (Kpl3J)

501
I learned the fleeting nature of wealth and success when I made a capricious bet with my brother about employing a transient named catman. I found that I had badly underestimated young catman, and was laid low.

If only I could turn those machines back on.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2019 05:17 PM (AzW6q)

502 498 I remember this time that my family was throwing this masquerade party at the castle, and a stranger wearing a skull mask shows up. Things got really weird that night.

We saw shadows from the King in Yellow in his tattered robes from rising Carcosa across the Lake of Cali, and just at midnight the stranger said to my sister Cassilda "Mask? Madame, I wear no mask."

"Not upon us, O King", we cried.

Good times. Because I've made you all crazy now.
Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:16 PM (DuZls)

The play was better

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at July 09, 2019 05:17 PM (bcbK8)

503 You must allow your yoni to grieve.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 09, 2019 05:13 PM


If only I had a, how you say, a nickel for each time I've said this.

Posted by: Paolo at July 09, 2019 05:17 PM (QWAv9)

504 Nood

Posted by: Furious George at July 09, 2019 05:17 PM (9vQJW)

505 I am on iPad so my cut and pasted is lame goggle Declaration of Independence naturalization and read the essay on Heritage.org.
Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (ZfRYq)
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I will blaster but just to make it clear - my question was regarding the writing of the Constitution, when we we had officially become the USA, rather than the writing of the Declaration, when we still belonged to the British.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 05:17 PM (aXucN)

506 I am pretty sure diplomats and their families are counted in the census.

Posted by: blaster at July 09, 2019 05:17 PM (ZfRYq)

507 492 Serious question, are foreign ambassadors counted in the census?
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at July 09, 2019 05:12 PM (fK4Z3)
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Just a WAG on my part but I doubt that people who are here representing a foreign government are counted in the census.
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (aXucN)

But we serve America's interests first in Congress.

Posted by: dual citizens at July 09, 2019 05:18 PM (13dPG)

508 477
I did not know this, but when a woman suffers a break up, her vulva does too.

She needs a Yoni massage to get over her broken heart:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yyvz6jxe


So is there much call for yoni masseurs? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at July 09, 2019 05:18 PM (RD7QR)

509 How much can be done legislatively, where the Constitution is not spelled out?

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".....all other matters are left to the states" is spelled out pretty fucking clearly in my humble opinion.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2019 05:18 PM (8XRCm)

510 Because we are spending billion on representing those that deserve no representation and unfairly diminishing the representation of US Citizens. I don't see that there is any question here...other than when we 1776 the whole damn bunch.

Posted by: rob in katy at July 09, 2019 05:18 PM (yCDuR)

511 Just a WAG on my part but I doubt that people who are here representing a foreign government are counted in the census.
Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 05:14 PM (aXucN)

Ambassador's Residences and Embassies are considered to be little parts of foreign soil, here inside our borders, so they do not technically live in America.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2019 05:18 PM (Kpl3J)

512 Are you an illegal?New question: Do you identify as an illegal?

Posted by: pep

I identify as a billionaire - can I make some doctor surgically attached a billion $ to my bank account? I think I should - otherwise I might shriek like David French does...

Posted by: Boswell at July 09, 2019 05:18 PM (32YRo)

513
The Common Law was our greatest inheritance.

Posted by: SH at July 09, 2019 05:16 PM (sX1BW)

Honestly I think it doesn't make any sense in the context of appointed judges. At least not in a way that is consistent with its origins. The legitimacy is derived from everyone agreeing on the wiseman or elder. Doesn't really apply if he's sent out by the king. There is a tacit recognition that the rulings are actually lawmaking, but what happens to consent of the governed?

Posted by: Someguy at July 09, 2019 05:19 PM (p997d)

514 There are bad court decisions.
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Taney's Dred Scott opinion a very egregious one. We changed our view on states rights by a document that argues one of its chief points by the logical fallacy known as "Argument from Silence" (founders never specifically wrote that blacks could be full citizens).

It took a bloody war, the President, the Congress, and the People to fix that major egoistic judicial fuckup from a fuckup.

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 05:19 PM (DuZls)

515 to follow up on Barr:
Recall that he was asked by Sasse (!) at his confirmation hearing whether he'd recuse himself on the soon-to-be-reopened Epstein case, and he said he'd have to see (even though a member of a big firm never has a conflict on that sort of thing.)
Does that sound familiar?
Not feeling confident

Posted by: artemis at July 09, 2019 05:19 PM (AwPyG)

516 I was a newspaper tycoon and died remembering my childhood toy sled.

Posted by: catman at July 09, 2019 05:19 PM (4HMlb)

517 Attorney General William Barr will not recuse himself from involvement in the new federal criminal prosecution of accused child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein.

https://cnb.cx/2JLXgn1

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at July 09, 2019 05:21 PM (fK4Z3)

518 > Lisa Bonet, on the other hand....rowr
I remember at the time everyone was saying how badly Bill Cosby must've been disappointed in her.
Yeah... now I'm betting "not so much"* on that.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2019 05:23 PM (JUUk1)

519 You're right, blaster, dips are counted. I'm surprised at that. I guess it's just to count actual beings physically here.

Posted by: bluebell at July 09, 2019 05:24 PM (aXucN)

520 > Attorney General William Barr will not recuse himself from involvement
in the new federal criminal prosecution of accused child sex trafficker
Jeffrey Epstein.

Awesome sauce.
Now he just needs to yank Comey's kid off the case.
As Attorney General he can do that, right? He's her boss, yes?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2019 05:25 PM (JUUk1)

521
Yep. Amen.


Every 2 years. People who want to drive legally go through a similar process. When they want us to pay taxes, we go through a similar enough process. Government has no problem getting us legally on the books, when it has a vested interest in doing so.

I can't imagine what could be more important to the interest of government than that it be elected and appointed and overseen by a true and certifiable citizenry.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2019 04:40 PM (a2xio)



At least do it once every ten years, like the census.

For the same reason the census was call for in the Constitution.

But WAIT! There is some imagined person living in squalor in the backwoods, is a minority, and would lose their vote if forced to do this. Because they are too dumb to register to vote and must be protected.

Did I get that right, Hawaiian Judge?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 09, 2019 05:25 PM (sy5kK)

522 Dear Trump Administration,

Please just stop talking about shit you are GOING TO DO, and just fucking DO IT!!

Capice?!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 09, 2019 05:42 PM (C54Lv)

523 Obama and his cronies can ask, or Trump and his posse can ask. The only answer I am giving is "2".
The rest is all bullshit.

Posted by: Jamblaya at July 09, 2019 05:43 PM (l+4/C)

524 The response Trump needs to make to the Supreme Court when it rules he cannot reinstate the citizenship question that Obama removed...

"Okay, unless you are threatening to send Ruthie over to scare the grandkids or something, just hold my Pepsi, and watch me!"

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 09, 2019 05:55 PM (C54Lv)

525 That Barr fellow has big brass balls and is willing to fight. Too bad he works for the golden Scalpweasel , he would have been a great addition to our legal staff.

Posted by: Don Corleone at July 09, 2019 05:58 PM (cCxiu)

526 Last.


And say, this Barr fellow. I like the cut of his jib.

Posted by: PrincetonAl at July 09, 2019 06:41 PM (hHq/G)

527 Last.

Posted by: PrincetonAl at July 09, 2019 06:41 PM (hHq/G)
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Sure about that?

Posted by: Axeman at July 09, 2019 07:19 PM (DuZls)

528 Maybe they'll just re-print a questionnaire from the 1050s.

Posted by: Karl Lembke at July 09, 2019 10:56 PM (kMqJk)

529 Gah. 1950s

Posted by: Karl Lembke at July 09, 2019 10:57 PM (kMqJk)

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