State Department Details 23 Security Violations and Possible Hacking Incidents in Hillary Clinton's Illegal Server System

All I see here is a big pile of lack of intent.

The State Department revealed Monday that it has identified "multiple security incidents" involving current or former employees' handling of Hillary Clinton's emails, and that 23 "violations" and seven "infractions" have been issued as part of the department's ongoing investigation.
The information came in a letter to Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley, who is responsible for overseeing the security review.

"To this point, the Department has assessed culpability to 15 individuals, some of whom were culpable in multiple security incidents," Mary Elizabeth Taylor, the State Department's Assistant Secretary in the Bureau of Legislative Affairs, wrote to Grassley. "DS has issued 23 violations and 7 infractions incidents. ... This number will likely change as the review progresses."
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The document release revealed numerous episodes in which the Clinton team either suspected it had been hacked or seemingly acknowledged that security measures had come up short.
"omg," top Clinton aide Huma Abedin wrote to Justin Cooper, the technology pro overseeing Clinton's private home-based email servers, when he told her shortly after midnight on Jan. 9, 2011, that "someone was trying to hack us."

If you recall, the Justice Department imposed a ludicrously narrow definition of what emails Clinton had to turn over -- something that looked like the Justice Department was actively on Clinton's side in trying to hide her emails from them, and the public.

It looks more like that now:

And in March, it was revealed that the Justice Department "negotiated" an agreement with Clinton's legal team that ensured the FBI did not have access to emails on her private servers relating to the Clinton Foundation. Former FBI Agent Peter Strzok testified about the arrangement during a closed-door appearance before the House Judiciary Committee last summer, according to a transcript released this year.
"A significant filter team" was employed at the FBI, Strzok said, to "work through the various terms of the various consent agreements." Limitations imposed on agents' searches included date ranges and names of domains and people, Strzok said, among other categories.
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Former Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who chaired the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee until 2017 and is now a Fox News contributor, said the arrangement signaled that agents wanted willful blindness.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:22 PM

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1 Im in a box

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (GBteo)

2 Boxy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (gC2IV)

3 Former Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who chaired the House Oversight and
Government Reform Committee until 2017 and is now a Fox News
contributor, said the arrangement signaled that agents wanted willful
blindness.

Nuke the swamp from orbit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (ptqGC)

4
Lock her up (in Greyland)!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (dPMBY)

5 and I read the content. And still got 1st.

But I'm all boxed in.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (GBteo)

6 Well, at least the gray is soothing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (ptqGC)

7 Say, this would make a great song!

Posted by: Alice In Chains at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (gC2IV)

8 living in a box, like Hillary SHOULD be...

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (8D42x)

9
Greige goods!

OrangeManBad!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (dPMBY)

10 I cant comment because I am in mourning for Brother Morsi

Posted by: Regular Huma at June 18, 2019 01:25 PM (6/uwW)

11 I want Hillary indicted, and brought to court in a glass box.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:25 PM (ptqGC)

Posted by: mime at June 18, 2019 01:25 PM (nFwvY)

13 >>>And in March, it was revealed that the Justice Department "negotiated" an agreement with Clinton's legal team that ensured the FBI did not have access to emails on her private servers relating to the Clinton Foundation. Former FBI Agent Peter Strzok testified about the arrangement during a closed-door appearance before the House Judiciary Committee last summer, according to a transcript released this year.

Well, that sure is ... strange.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:25 PM (GBteo)

14 And in March, it was revealed that the Justice Department "negotiated" an agreement with Clinton's legal team that ensured the FBI did not have access to emails on her private servers relating to the Clinton Foundation. Former FBI Agent Peter Strzok testified about the arrangement during a closed-door appearance before the House Judiciary Committee last summer, according to a transcript released this year.

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Can you imagine if Manefort or Flynn "negotiated" anything about their conversations with Russians with Mueller?

Posted by: Gaius Baltar at June 18, 2019 01:25 PM (OJXf7)

15
10 I cant comment because I am in mourning for Brother Morsi
Posted by: Regular Huma at June 18, 2019 01:25 PM (6/uwW)

If only he'd taken #LearnToCode seriously, right?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (dPMBY)

16 When John Cusack's family immigrated they changed their last name for its original spelling, Ballsack.

Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (gmo/4)

17 Halp!
We are surrounded by gray ...

Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (1XAal)

18
I want Hillary indicted, and brought to court in a glass box.

Posted by: Jane D'oh-----
I'd prefer a pine one but different strokes, ya know?

Posted by: Tonypete at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (E8rdu)

19 Former Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who chaired the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee until 2017 and is now a Fox News contributor, said the arrangement signaled that agents wanted willful blindness.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:22 PM

The FBI seems to thrive on willful blindness.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (RD7QR)

20 Pffft! Only 23?
That's what all this has been about? Silly.
#ButHerEmails!!

/s

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (bDqIh)

21 Meanwhile, in a palace in the South of France, a certain mincing ponce is meeting with European heads of state in what appears to be a cover-your-ass move.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (ptqGC)

22 11 I want Hillary indicted, and brought to court in a glass box.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:25 PM (ptqGC)

There's a different box I have in mind when picturing Hilary in it.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (vkS2Z)

23 Cozy.

Posted by: battlewagon at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (MQaPm)

24 21 Meanwhile, in a palace in the South of France, a certain mincing ponce is meeting with European heads of state in what appears to be a cover-your-ass move.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (ptqGC)

All while sipping champagne and bad mouthing those 'stupid deplorable Americans who voted for Trump', no doubt.

Posted by: IC at June 18, 2019 01:27 PM (a0IVu)

25 I want Hillary indicted, and brought to court in a glass box.

Posted by: Jane D'oh-----

Does it have to have holes in it?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 18, 2019 01:27 PM (RD7QR)

26 This is racism

Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:27 PM (1XAal)

27 What am I, another Dick in a Box?

Posted by: Regular Carlos Danger at June 18, 2019 01:27 PM (6/uwW)

28 Meanwhile, in a palace in the South of France, a certain mincing ponce is meeting with European heads of state in what appears to be a cover-your-ass move.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (ptqGC)

wonder if there's a preadator about....

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 18, 2019 01:27 PM (8D42x)

29 Come get me coppers! - Hillzilla stomping on the Constitution!

Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019 01:27 PM (gmo/4)

30
Once you go gray, it ain't goin' 'way!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 18, 2019 01:28 PM (dPMBY)

31 21 Meanwhile, in a palace in the South of France, a certain mincing ponce is meeting with European heads of state in what appears to be a cover-your-ass move.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (ptqGC)

By "meeting" do you mean "sucking off"?

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 18, 2019 01:28 PM (vkS2Z)

32 GLAAD already having fabulous fits that new secdef nominee worked with " very anti lgbtqaiapq++" heritage at some point. Yawn.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:28 PM (nRWPy)

33 Peers into the gray gloom.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 18, 2019 01:28 PM (CXcDy)

34 So when is Scankles going to jail? How about the whole Obama DOJ?

Posted by: Vic at June 18, 2019 01:28 PM (mpXpK)

35 Ooo. Pretty!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 18, 2019 01:28 PM (axyOa)

36 Right, just like I said. Mistakes were made.

Posted by: Jim Comey at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (gC2IV)

37 Grey in here.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (pw+jk)

38 Ace tokin' with JackStraw and listening to some Dead Touch of Grey?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (yb7zP)

39
Whose job was it to turn on the fog horn?

Why isn't it on?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (dPMBY)

40 And THIS is why Deplorables have no faith in government.
Simply having that private server should have her residing in prison.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (sRczR)

41 Anyone in line in Orlando?

Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (1XAal)

42 So wait, was this a criminal investigation or no?

Because if it was a criminal investigation, why didn't the FBI just get a search warrant to search her server? Why negotiate an "agreement" that allowed the Clinton team to decide what to turn over?

And if it wasn't a criminal investigation, why was the FBI involved? Why not just run this from inside the state department? Because in that context, it would make sense to have an agreement about what to turn over or not?

This arrangement makes no sense. Police don't usually say to a criminal suspect "hey, let's negotiate an agreement on what you will and won't turn over to us while we're investigating you for possible crimes."

And by "don't usually say," I mean never do because they'd never be able to solve any cases if the criminals and their attorneys got to decide what to turn over and what not to turn over.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (GBteo)

43 16 When John Cusack's family immigrated they changed their last name for its original spelling, Ballsack.
Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (gmo/4)

Nah, it was Coppersack.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (e1mEI)

44 The FBI seems to thrive on willful blindness.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (RD7QR)

Learned it from us. - Project Blue Book, USAF

Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (gmo/4)

45 People keep overlooking the simple thing here.

She used this off-line account to e-mail her boss, the President, Barack Freakin Obama. He, her boss, the President, replied to her mails.

Now if I were to get mail from ace@ewokworks.net I'd ask some trusted third party to verify it. I'm not just going to automatically send all my fur oil to a P.O. Box.

So Obama knew, knew for a fact, that she was using insecure e-mail and he used it with her.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (fuK7c)

46 I'm sure somebody has used the joke about gray area. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (ClOmq)

47 If I were Billy Jeff, I'd be hiring a food tester right now. Hillary will go the grieving widow route, anything to garner sympathy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (ptqGC)

48 Is this the Hillary pant suit gray look?

Posted by: IC at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (a0IVu)

49 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)

50 I still think the grey looks better.

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)

51
It's not the heat, it's the humidity!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (dPMBY)

52 Guilty as sin,free as a bird.

Posted by: steevy at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (AjVAj)

53 >>So wait, was this a criminal investigation or no?

No of course not. It was a sham.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (PxX58)

54 Im in a box
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:24 PM (GBteo)

Marcel Marceau - Trapped in a box

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)

55
James "the Apostle" Comey I say unto you that was no big deal.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (OLCnA)

56 No one expects the Boxer Rebellion.

Posted by: Dowager Empress at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (AzW6q)

57 Is it grey or gray?

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (Zz0t1)

58 All yoga routines, people.....calm down.

Posted by: BignJames at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (ykq7q)

59 Hillary dresses like an over mit !!

Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (1XAal)

60 And in March, it was revealed that the Justice Department "negotiated" an agreement with Clinton's legal team that ensured the FBI did not have access to emails on her private servers relating to the Clinton Foundation.

This one sentence alone sums up the complete and total bullshit of this. The epitome of corruption.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (axyOa)

61 I bet that the "agreement" was predicated on what passed over the server; government business versus business of the foundation.

Posted by: battlewagon at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (MQaPm)

62 This entire fucking fiasco is about no one knowing Hillary Obama Blumenthal and enemies were manipulating/bombing/conspiring re oil and gas and weapons.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (nRWPy)

63
I still think the grey looks better.
Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)
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#MeToo. It's the no-nonsense "I mean business" version of the blog.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (AzW6q)

64
Is it grey or gray?

Posted by: Sponge
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Grey

Posted by: Mr. Poupon at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (E8rdu)

65 Guilty as sin,free as a bird.
Posted by: steevy at June 18, 2019 01:30 PM (AjVAj)

The primary reason to be a liberal. You get away with EVERYTHING.

I mean, the dude in Cali that smashed people in the head with a lock in a sock served no time, paid no fine and got away with assault with a deadly weapon.

It PAYS to strive for communism.

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (Zz0t1)

66 Gray in the beginning, gray in the end, thus is it for all humanity.

Pine needles: aphrodisiac.

Posted by: James Comey, Sage at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (RD7QR)

67 >>So Obama knew, knew for a fact, that she was using insecure e-mail and he used it with her.

Well, yea.

We've suspected this from Day 1. It was confirmed when the Comey/Strzok exoneration speech as changed to omit Obama and insert "senior government official".

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (PxX58)

68 Hillary dresses like an over mit !!
Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (1XAal)

that's because she's such hot stuff.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (CXcDy)

69
Behold the Matrix!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 18, 2019 01:33 PM (dPMBY)

70 Do not forget the bitch printed out her emails and handed over the paper

Not electronic copies

Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:33 PM (1XAal)

71 29
Come get me coppers! - Hillzilla stomping on the Constitution!

Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019
*
*
. . .
A remake of White Heat with Laurie Metcalf, Hillary in the recent stage play, as Hillary!

"Made it, Bill, you c*cks*ucker! Top o' the world!"

BOOM!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 18, 2019 01:33 PM (ClOmq)

72 Does this gray make my ass look like 40,000 tons?

Posted by: battlewagon at June 18, 2019 01:33 PM (MQaPm)

73 The conservative case for setting up an illegal email server and why it is good for America to have all of the State Department's secrets exposed to hostile foreign governments.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at June 18, 2019 01:33 PM (pw+jk)

74 40 And THIS is why Deplorables have no faith in government.
Simply having that private server should have her residing in prison.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (sRczR)

Well, let's take her at her word -- she had her own email address that she decided to use out of convenience, and decided not to use the .gov email address.

At the very least, she's violating record retention department rules, and I'm sure there are federal laws related to record retention as well.

Not that someone would serve jail time for that, but, uh -- that should be a somewhat big deal, I would think. We have record retention policies for very good reasons -- when you work for the government, you are representing the Government of the United States, you're not just some private citizen talking to people. So we need records of what was said / done on behalf of the US.

Also, it serves as some minor check against corruption, since in theory everything should be recorded and made public.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:33 PM (GBteo)

75 I am extremely relieved with my knowledge that this does not raise to the level of a scandal.

Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at June 18, 2019 01:33 PM (vI+F1)

76 So Obama knew, knew for a fact, that she was using insecure e-mail and he used it with her.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (fuK7c)

No no no.....

He found out about it the same way everyone else did.

USA Today.

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:34 PM (Zz0t1)

77 58 All yoga routines, people.....calm down.
Posted by: BignJames at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (ykq7q)

Trying to imagine Hillary assuming the down dog position: the opposite of an aphrodisiac.

Posted by: James Comey, Sage at June 18, 2019 01:34 PM (RD7QR)

78 Oven mit

Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:34 PM (1XAal)

79 Hillary dresses like an over mit !!
Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (1XAal)

that's because she's such hot stuff.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (CXcDy)

Ahem, the correct term is "hot shit" and, in regard to Hillary, it is true.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 18, 2019 01:34 PM (aS1PU)

80 Why we have FOIA laws Harry. And they're actual laws, not policies.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (nRWPy)

81 Hillary dresses like an over mit !!
Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (1XAal)

that's because she's such hot stuff.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 18, 2019 01:32 PM (CXcDy)

it wasn't until I read your message that I realized he meant to say OVEN mit.

I thought it was a Mitt Romney joke.

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (Zz0t1)

82 I think there's a grey area there Ace.

Posted by: simplemind at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (UgCsJ)

83 Hillary do not yoga

She can not get off the floor

Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (1XAal)

84 I just threw up in the back of my mouth with Yoga and Hillary in the same sentence. There goes lunch time.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (pw+jk)

85 You know that Lady Justice blindfold thing?
Now she wears it to maintain plausible deniability.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (koNhm)

86
Meanwhile, in a palace in the South of France, a certain mincing ponce is meeting with European heads of state in what appears to be a cover-your-ass move.

It won't help. When it all comes out they'll all say they were duped into participating in theattempted coup by Obama.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (TAmPV)

87 Send them all to the Uyghur camps for organ harvesting.

Posted by: Roland THTG at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (88+cf)

88 70 Do not forget the bitch printed out her emails and handed over the paper

Not electronic copies
Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:33 PM (1XAal)

Yeah, lawyers are famous for "burying people in paperwork" like that during discovery.

Haha -- I had it in electronic version, I printed it out, and now you have to scan it all back in to electronic form. Ha ha.

Yeah, judges don't like that.

But it has the added benefit (for Hillary) of removing the metadata, which could be / is incredibly useful.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (GBteo)

89 OK, now throw the old Gin Balloon in GITMO.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 18, 2019 01:36 PM (sm6Pk)

90 Oh right Hillary is a crook because she used the wrong email address!

Posted by: blaster at June 18, 2019 01:36 PM (ovpZu)

91 The agents wanted willful blindness. Certainly. If they dug too deep into her e-mails who knows who else they would find violating these protocols. Like the AG? The FBI director? CIA director? The president?

Which one of the agents wanted to kick over that rock and see who else crawled out? It's really easy to say what you would do when you don't have to be the one looking at that big pile of mess.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet presents All Is Lost - A Musical Fable of the Moron Horde! Tickets o at June 18, 2019 01:36 PM (hLRSq)

92 The Grays have taken over! I tried to warn you people!

Posted by: Zombie Art Bell at June 18, 2019 01:36 PM (7HtZB)

93 Not that someone would serve jail time for that, but, uh -- that should be a somewhat big deal, I would think. We have record retention policies for very good reasons -- when you work for the government, you are representing the Government of the United States, you're not just some private citizen talking to people. So we need records of what was said / done on behalf of the US.

Also, it serves as some minor check against corruption, since in theory everything should be recorded and made public.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:33 PM (GBteo)

Another good reason for using the .gov address, is that if your e-mails get hacked, it's the government's IT people that are on the hook for the blame. You run your own server, it's you on the hook.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 18, 2019 01:36 PM (CXcDy)

94 Blame the ~~flatulence~~ grey on the ~~dog~~ Pixy hamsters.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 18, 2019 01:36 PM (pfuwb)

95 The emails that weren't turned over would readily show the pay for play scam run through the Foundation. The Russians alone put in over $100 million

Holy violation of the Emoluments Clause Batman!

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 18, 2019 01:36 PM (Hdes1)

96 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
37m
....I thank Pat for his outstanding service and will be naming Secretary of the Army, Mark Esper, to be the new Acting Secretary of Defense. I know Mark, and have no doubt he will do a fantastic job!

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (BqBId)

97 Hillary should be doing time in the grey-box hotel before hanging her for treason.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (Dh1wo)

98 This bitch would make a good wartime consolari. - Joe "Crazy Joey" Bidenari

Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (gmo/4)

99 Is it grey or gray?
Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:31 PM (Zz0t1)

It is 2 shades of grey. So, yes.

Posted by: tbodie at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (YyH4g)

100

Ryan Saavedra
@RealSaavedra
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (aKsyK)

101
So Obama knew, knew for a fact, that she was using insecure e-mail and he used it with her.

Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Well, um, ughh, uh, I, I, I, um, ahhh, Well, let me be clear, uhhhh, I, I, I, didn't know the server was in her bathroom.

Posted by: Jugears at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (tYlrl)

102 Oooh I like this formatting.

Does clicking on the ads of women with big boobs help the site, or is the display enough? I want to do my part.

Posted by: David Prince at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (JkygK)

103
Do not forget the bitch printed out her emails and handed over the paper

Actually she had the housekeeper print out her emails.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (TAmPV)

104 >>Because if it was a criminal investigation, why didn't the FBI just get a search warrant to search her server? Why negotiate an "agreement" that allowed the Clinton team to decide what to turn over?

A few guesses:

Because they were breaking FOIA email rules themselves, as well as sloppy/leaky with classified docs? (Comey, Obama)

Because Hillary made a big donation to a spouse's campaign?(McCabe)

Because they were a toady to these people and committed to making sure Trump did not win?(Strzok, Page, others)

Because they were complicit in sending Hillary emails and classified docs to her via her private server? (TBD who, but she was getting classified stuff she had no business possessing).

Because they wanted a position/appointment from the Hillary presidency? (Lynch)

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (bDqIh)

105 I believe the "intent" you are looking for was a ginormous pay-to-play bribery op monetizing the Office of US SoS for campaign contributions via the Clinton Foundation.

Compromise to the national security was just collateral damage.

Posted by: Obiran Kinobi at June 18, 2019 01:38 PM (koNhm)

106 But, but ... Trump said "pussy!"

Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at June 18, 2019 01:38 PM (6iRZU)

107 Sure you should serve jail time if you set up a private email for the express purpose of avoiding FOIA.

Why wouldn't you?

It exposes your work to our enemies and thwarts record keeping and investigations.

It's illegal and corrupt.

To get documents from one system to the other they had to be printed out, markings removed and scanned in PURPOSEFULLY.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:38 PM (nRWPy)

108 She used this off-line account to e-mail her boss, the President, Barack Freakin Obama. He, her boss, the President, replied to her mails.

Now if I were to get mail from ace@ewokworks.net I'd ask some trusted third party to verify it. I'm not just going to automatically send all my fur oil to a P.O. Box.

So Obama knew, knew for a fact, that she was using insecure e-mail and he used it with her.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (fuK7c)

I have to imagine that the government has some pretty strict filters on the Presidents email address -- for practical purposes (I can't imagine how many people, malicious or not, try to email the president on any given day.)

And State probably does as well.

So, I'm thinking that Hillarys email address was probably both white listed, and possibly even federated by IT people at both State and in the White House (or whoever runs the presidents email) and whoever else in government she was emailing.

Because otherwise, spam filters and security filters would have been a constant problem for her when trying to email people.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:38 PM (GBteo)

109 Slow Joe loses more brain cells by the hour.

Posted by: steevy at June 18, 2019 01:39 PM (AjVAj)

110 Ryan Saavedra
@RealSaavedra
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (aKsyK)

He did want to take Trump behind the gym. This guy wants a war. He'll be sorry if he's obliged.

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:39 PM (Zz0t1)

111 Aaaand, nothing is going to happen to her or her cronies.

Posted by: SMH at June 18, 2019 01:39 PM (RU4sa)

112 Well, let's take her at her word -- she had her own email address that she decided to use out of convenience, and decided not to use the .gov email address.

I'll ask the obvious question: why is "hillary@scissoring.com" more convenient than "SecState@statedept.gov?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:39 PM (Jzd7W)

113 I would think that willful ignorance and intent are pretty close on the scale.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 18, 2019 01:39 PM (YslsA)

114
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan, who has done a wonderful job, has decided not to go forward with his confirmation process so that he can devote more time to his family....

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 18, 2019 01:39 PM (BqBId)

115 Gaylord on down deserve to serve time in the gray-bar hotel because they all knew Hillary was breaking the law with her private email server which was set up to avoid any Freedom of Information requests.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 18, 2019 01:40 PM (CSYCT)

116 >>Actually she had the housekeeper print out her emails.

Yes, as a regular practice, she would ask her immigrant maid toddle into her home scif and print out emails and attachments so that it would be ready and waiting for her when she arrived home.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 01:40 PM (bDqIh)

117 Because they thought Hillary would win and were ingratiating themselves.

Because they're also corrupt as all fucking get out?

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:40 PM (nRWPy)

118 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:40 PM (Jzd7W)

119 But GOD FORBID you withdraw 5,000 twice in a week without filling out Federal Banking Disclosure form XB8706-(a)2.
Intent to "structure" doncha know.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 18, 2019 01:40 PM (koNhm)

120 People keep overlooking the simple thing here.

She used this off-line account to e-mail her boss, the President, Barack Freakin Obama. He, her boss, the President, replied to her mails.

Now if I were to get mail from ace@ewokworks.net I'd ask some trusted third party to verify it. I'm not just going to automatically send all my fur oil to a P.O. Box.

So Obama knew, knew for a fact, that she was using insecure e-mail and he used it with her.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (fuK7c)

Not just her and Barack. Everybody she e-mailed. That's how deep it went. And as you note, no one wants to acknowledge that there was no way in hell that the FBI director was going to recommend indictments that would go that wide, that might include his boss and - oh wait! Maybe even himself.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet presents All Is Lost - A Musical Fable of the Moron Horde! Tickets o at June 18, 2019 01:40 PM (hLRSq)

121 Slow Joe loses more brain cells by the hour.

Posted by: steevy at June 18, 2019 01:39 PM (AjVAj)

=====
This is your brain.
This is your brain on paste.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (pw+jk)

122 100

Ryan Saavedra
@RealSaavedra
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 18, 2019 01:37 PM (aKsyK)

Okay Joe. Let's do it.*

*N.B.: The MSM will bury this quote and pretend it never happened. The left can talk any trash they want but the right will be crucified for things said as a teenager.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (RD7QR)

123 I wandered into the previous thread after lunch. Thanks ace.

Posted by: Someguy at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (EV0u2)

124
It's illegal and corrupt.

To get documents from one system to the other they had to be printed out, markings removed and scanned in PURPOSEFULLY.
Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:38 PM (nRWPy)

It just goes to show how confident Hillary was that anything she did would be kept under wraps or explained away by her besotted followers.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (TdMsT)

125 as a regular practice, she would ask her immigrant maid toddle into her home scif and print out emails and attachments

--

Each of which is another felony. Maybe they can at least prosecute the maid.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (YslsA)

126 I wonder how many CIA assets were killed because of the Beast?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (ptqGC)

127 Since Huma told her to hang up the fax phone so the fax would go through .....

Posted by: Yo! at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (1XAal)

128 I have to imagine that the government has some pretty strict filters on the Presidents email address -- for practical purposes (I can't imagine how many people, malicious or not, try to email the president on any given day.)

--------

If I were DJT, I'd be orangemanbad@whitehouse.gov.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (AzW6q)

129 105 I believe the "intent" you are looking for was a ginormous pay-to-play bribery op monetizing the Office of US SoS for campaign contributions via the Clinton Foundation.

Compromise to the national security was just collateral damage.
Posted by: Obiran Kinobi at June 18, 2019 01:38 PM (koNhm)

Well, I think that's part of it. But mostly I think Hillary and her aides wanted to be able to speak freely about all kinds of topics that they didn't want the wider world to know about.

I'm sure there's all kinds of shady shit in those deleted emails.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (GBteo)

130 118 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht could not be reached for comment.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:40 PM (Jzd7W)

And we know why...

Posted by: The Freikorps at June 18, 2019 01:42 PM (RD7QR)

131 @126
I suspect the Russkies waltzed into Crimea based on knowledge via SoS communications with Preezy Dogeater that confirmed there was nil chance for a confrontation.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 18, 2019 01:42 PM (koNhm)

132 Aaaand, nothing is going to happen to her or her cronies.
Posted by: SMH at June 18, 2019 01:39 PM (RU4sa)

________

Correct. As the new and awful revelations pour in just know that there will not be ONE. SINGLE. PERSON who will pay a price for their malfeasance.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 18, 2019 01:42 PM (flINI)

133 I don't think I've ever seen a grey box thread go on this long. I like it.

Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (cF8AT)

134

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

Dan Crenshaw should send him a set of brass knuckles with an invitation. He could also offer to wear a patch over his good eye to even the fight.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (TAmPV)

135 Washington, DC - worse than Mos Eisely

Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (gmo/4)

136 Vote Democrat, so we can have more of this !! Weeeee!!

Posted by: Marcus T at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (VpIIl)

137 Just wanted you all to know, we're super angry about this. Really, really, really angry. Totes angry.

Posted by: Rank and File FBI Agents Everywhere at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (YdDqa)

138 >>I don't think I've ever seen a grey box thread go on this long. I like it.

Just to be clear, you are talking about this thread and not Hillary, right?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (PxX58)

139
I thought my interview went very well. I really think they were impressed by my background and experience as well as my enthusiasm for intellectual property matters, coming from a technical background.

I have no idea how things will turn out; they're interviewing another couple of candidates and are looking to make their decision sooner than later, so maybe in the next week or so. But even if it doesn't work out, I can say I did the very best I could.

My profoundest thanks to all you Hordians for your support. It really bucked me up. God bless you all.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (BWL+E)

140 107
Sure you should serve jail time if you set up a private email for the express purpose of avoiding FOIA.

Why wouldn't you?

It exposes your work to our enemies and thwarts record keeping and investigations.

It's illegal and corrupt.

To get documents from one system to the other they had to be printed out, markings removed and scanned in PURPOSEFULLY.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:38 PM (nRWPy)
Yet they are still breathing free air. Only one prosecuted thus far is Carlos Danger - and that was just because he was sexting a minor. Even though his laptop had more on it than his DNA.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (N39Ws)

141 Well, let's take her at her word -- she had her own email address that she decided to use out of convenience, and decided not to use the .gov email address.

That doesn't even make sense.

My husband walks around with 2 phones. His own and a govt secured, camera disabled iPhone (used to be a blackberry). One does govt business, the other personal. There is no cross over, ever.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (nRWPy)

142 I don't think I've ever seen a grey box thread go on this long. I like it.
Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (cF8AT)

It goes against the grayin'.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (CXcDy)

143 Too bad we don't have the Executive Branch and can do a thorough investigation with the DOJ and prosecute.

Posted by: Blago at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (UfkIY)

144 Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

***

Tell em, Joe!

Posted by: Josef Stalin at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (Wws74)

145 But Trump said he would take information on his opponents from foreign governments!! Squirrel!!

Posted by: Marcus T at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (VpIIl)

146 >>She used this off-line account to e-mail her boss, the President, Barack Freakin Obama. He, her boss, the President, replied to her mails.

Because Obama had his own anonymous/hide-from-FOIA email.

Most of his cabinet was caught doing this.

Hillary was simply an overachiever in doing a private email account(s) + private server.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (bDqIh)

147 I wonder how many NCOs are sitting in Leavenworth right now for carelessly leaving a confidential email or two lying around?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (ptqGC)

148 I'll ask the obvious question: why is "hillary@scissoring.com" more convenient than "SecState@statedept.gov?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:39 PM (Jzd7W)

Because she was co-mingling state department business and clinton foundation business (as she admitted to when working with the FBI on their agreement, since she explicitly wanted the foundation stuff excluded), so it's marginally easier to do that with one email address then to maintain two separate ones.

Of course, it's a massive conflict of interest to co-mingle the state department with your private fake "charity" that is constantly seeking money from people who may or may not have to work with the state department. But apparently that's no big deal to the FBI.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (GBteo)

149 126 I wonder how many CIA assets were killed because of the Beast?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (ptqGC)

The Chinese wiped out a whole CIA network around that time. It makes you think.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (RD7QR)

150 88 Yeah, lawyers are famous for "burying people in paperwork" like that during discovery.

Haha -- I had it in electronic version, I printed it out, and now you have to scan it all back in to electronic form. Ha ha.

Yeah, judges don't like that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:35 PM (GBteo)

I recall Metallica pulling that stunt during the "Napster, BAD!!" trial.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (DTX3h)

151 Fuck Zuckerberg for giving the Facebook crypto-currency the Orwellian name "Libra".
Those bastards will probably implement social justice exchange rates where white male hetero dollars are worth less than minority tranny dollars.

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (1L9V9)

152 What is worse than the attitude of DC insiders that they are our betters and know how we need to live our lives, is that they most demonstrably aren't.

It isn't the blind leading the blind, it is the blind leading the sighted.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (YslsA)

153 Yet they are still breathing free air. Only one prosecuted thus far is Carlos Danger - and that was just because he was sexting a minor. Even though his laptop had more on it than his DNA.

Yes, they are because Lynch/Obama/mccabe/Comey and Wray body blocked any real investigation.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (nRWPy)

154 126: not enough. brennan is still here. anti american traitor.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (KP5rU)

155 I hate to be That Guy and/or Captain Obvious, but, uh, Hillary! and her cronies have, so far, gotten away with all of this.

And that's bad.

Should that situation change, great, but until then, things is bad.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (l8gTz)

156 Biggest tell of Intent?

Moving classified emails, stripping off the headers, and putting them on Hillary's private server.

Yet Barfley Manning got slammer time for far less.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (CSYCT)

157 >>Dan Crenshaw should send him a set of brass knuckles with an invitation. He could also offer to wear a patch over his good eye to even the fight.

He has that knife he keeps on his desk. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 01:46 PM (bDqIh)

158 138 >>I don't think I've ever seen a grey box thread go on this long. I like it.

Just to be clear, you are talking about this thread and not Hillary, right?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 01:43 PM (PxX5

Ewwww! Ewwww! Ewwwww!

I hate you Jackstraw!

Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2019 01:46 PM (cF8AT)

159 I'm not just going to automatically send all my fur oil to a P.O. Box.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM

I'll always be happy to sell you more, Bandersnatch.

Posted by: Gwenyth P., Lifestyle Coach at June 18, 2019 01:46 PM (pfuwb)

160 >>Of course, it's a massive conflict of interest to co-mingle the state department with your private fake "charity" that is constantly seeking money from people who may or may not have to work with the state department. But apparently that's no big deal to the FBI.

And do you know who one of the biggest donors to her fake charity was? Victor Pinchuk.

I suspect his name will be a household name by the time this is all over.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 01:46 PM (PxX58)

161 Setting up a server to avoid FOIA seems to indicate that the stuff on that server should be of highest interest to law enforcement.

But not to the FBI, strangely.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 18, 2019 01:46 PM (oVJmc)

162 That doesn't even make sense.

My husband walks around with 2 phones. His own and a govt secured, camera disabled iPhone (used to be a blackberry). One does govt business, the other personal. There is no cross over, ever.
Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (nRWPy)

I mean, every company I've worked at has had pretty solid set of rules against using personal email addresses to conduct business.

I used to have 2 phones, but now I consolidate both on to one phone, and just have 2 separate (well, 3, including my old school email address, but that's mostly dormant) mailboxes.

Which is... like I said, only a very very minor inconvenience.

But again, I'm not comingling anything.

Hillary clearly was.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (GBteo)

163 49 shades of gray!

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (H4VdJ)

164 James Carrillo said she used it because who wants Louis Gohmert looking at your email.

He knew the deal.

Posted by: blaster at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (ovpZu)

165 The wall would've been built under Carter were the illegals suspected of voting Republican.

No one in the Owebama administration will do time for their crimes. No one.

Not Comey

Not Clinton

Not Brennan

No one

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (Zz0t1)

166 While on the topic of traitors why isn't a Logan Act investigation being started against Ex El Presidente Obama for conducting foreign policy with Europe, especially in the midst of an Iranian crisis?

Good enough for an incoming team under the Sally Yates doctrine, should be enough for an ex President (who obviously has less need-to-know than the incoming).

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (koNhm)

167 156
Biggest tell of Intent?

Moving classified emails, stripping off the headers, and putting them on Hillary's private server.

Yet Barfley Manning got slammer time for far less.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (CSYCT)
Well, Manning did get his dick chopped off.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (N39Ws)

168 Personally, I think they only went after Weiner to send a message to Huma- "this could be you and worse if you cooperate".

Posted by: Marcus T at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (VpIIl)

169 The Feds deliberately DID NOT want to find evidence of Hillary's criminal activity.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (oVJmc)

170 Grey on!

Grey off!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (pw+jk)

171 Because she was co-mingling state department business and clinton foundation business (as she admitted to when working with the FBI on their agreement, since she explicitly wanted the foundation stuff excluded), so it's marginally easier to do that with one email address then to maintain two separate ones.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (GBteo)

Sure, as a practical matter, but I meant in the context of her trying to exculpate herself. The Clinton Foundation crap was illegal as all hell.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (Jzd7W)

172 the arrangement signaled that agents wanted willful blindness.

.................

ya think?

And lets give everyone immunity.. it's almost like it was a conspiracy or sumthin!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (so+oy)

173 My box is kind of gray too! Cute...

Posted by: Hillary! at June 18, 2019 01:48 PM (flINI)

174 Because Obama had his own anonymous/hide-from-FOIA email.

Most of his cabinet was caught doing this.

Hillary was simply an overachiever in doing a private email account(s) + private server.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (bDqIh)

So did Loretta Lynch....can't remember her 'name' now off the top of my head but she did.

Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2019 01:48 PM (cF8AT)

175 >> I have to imagine that the government has some pretty strict filters on the Presidents email address -- for practical purposes (I can't imagine how many people, malicious or not, try to email the president on any given day.)

IIRC, your email address has to whitelisted.
Obviously, Hillary's email address(es) were whitelisted.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 01:48 PM (bDqIh)

176 And the dawn comes!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 18, 2019 01:48 PM (CXcDy)

177 Awwwww. Washed the grey away.

Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019 01:48 PM (gmo/4)

178 wake me up for the frogmarch. i'm pretty sure i'll die of starvation while asleep. notgonnahappen.com.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 18, 2019 01:48 PM (KP5rU)

179 @paulsperry_
"I was actually dumbfounded why found out that Cheryl Mills had been given immunity [by the Comey FBI] , because I myself found that CheryI Mills had committed perjury and lied under oath" - U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lambert.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 18, 2019 01:49 PM (RBOtF)

180 Wow ... would you look at these pension statement !!! Suddenly, we're not so angry anymore.

Friendly reminder - you can't live without us. It would be anarchy. Dogs sleeping with cats. Don't even think about it.

Posted by: Rank and File FBI Agents Everywhere at June 18, 2019 01:49 PM (YdDqa)

181 I wonder how many NCOs are sitting in Leavenworth right now for carelessly leaving a confidential email or two lying around?

Iirc a sailor got in a shitload of trouble for taking a picture of an engine room or something. Big story.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at June 18, 2019 01:49 PM (l8gTz)

182 Well, I guess its a good thing the previous administration gave all those people immunity. We can skip the whole trial and punishment phase and just go straight to the lavish retirement funding stage.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 18, 2019 01:49 PM (r+sAi)

183 The Obama Reign of Terror: Not a smidge of corruption.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:49 PM (ptqGC)

184 your private fake "charity" that is constantly seeking money from people who...

...represent foreign government and commercial interests with business before the State Department.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2019 01:49 PM (fuK7c)

185 "the number will likely change"

I think they mean to say "skyrocket".

"unexpectedly"

Posted by: ... at June 18, 2019 01:49 PM (5Amnx)

186 so fucking what ?

Posted by: THE BOTTOM LINE at June 18, 2019 01:49 PM (DPjeO)

187 Awwwww. Washed the grey away.
Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019 01:48 PM (gmo/4)

The new barrel of Just For Ewoks just landed at Ace's place, courtesy UPS.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (CXcDy)

188 Carville. Thank you very much autocorrect.

Posted by: blaster at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (ovpZu)

189 Iirc a sailor got in a shitload of trouble for taking a picture of an engine room or something. Big story.

There's actually a whole lot more to that story than you know. He deserved every minute of his time, probably more.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (nRWPy)

190 Sure, as a practical matter, but I meant in the context of her trying to exculpate herself. The Clinton Foundation crap was illegal as all hell.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:47 PM (Jzd7W)

The excuse never made any sense unless you assume she was co-mingling everything. Which she was, and has seemingly admitted to.

So if an email came in from someone at the foundation, she could easily forward it to Huma, who was on the government payroll, or vice versa.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (GBteo)

191 the stuff on that server should be of highest interest to law enforcement.

But not to the FBI, strangely.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles

--

FBI and law enforcement are two very different things now.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (YslsA)

192 Dang it...

Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (cF8AT)

193 I am Grey.
I stand between the Candle and the Star.

We are Grey.
We stand between the Darkness and the Light.

Posted by: Satai Dalenn at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (4EqBd)

194 I feel nekkid.

Posted by: battlewagon at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (MQaPm)

195 Hide evidence against Hillary, make it up against Trump.

Washington Fairness.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (oVJmc)

196 Trump said doody.

Posted by: ... at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (5Amnx)

197 Apropos of nothing, I've noticed that the gray boxes are noticeably darker in Linux Mint than in the Mac OS. Same computer, same monitor. Dunno why that is.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (xjiRE)

198 But Trump said pussy. So she would have been a better president.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (FiUMj)

199 185 "the number will likely change"

It could go down

Posted by: The pile of skin and dentures aka Chucky Grassley at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (DPjeO)

200 The one thing about Hillary that no one talks about, why would Russia be against her?

In about 2010, Russia should have been looking forward to a Hillary Presidency. They had her e-mails, and there was every reason to believe she would be just as sloppy in the White House. She had be-clowned herself with the whole "Reset - Overcharge" thing and she had proven her decisions were negotiable in the whole Uranium One thing.

But then Russia learned that Hillary could not be blackmailed because the American public found out about her server and she was let off. She stabbed them in the back in Libya by dismembering one of their only clients in the area and she informed them that the 145 million to the Clinton Foundation was not a purchase agreement but a short term lease.

Like every bad Chicago politician, Hillary Clinton would not stay bought so Russia had to cut their losses.

Posted by: JB1000 at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (16OL0)

201 The Clinton Foundation closed down almost immediately after Hillary lost, right?

Posted by: Have I Told You Where I Like to Cram My Junk? at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (DnYTU)

202 Obama/Hillary left the server unguarded so the Russians and ChiComs could read All of HER message traffic.

That deliberate action was meant to disarm our global foes so that they and us could ascend to the bright sunlit uplands together hand in hand to Whirled Peas.

In real time our foes didn't believe a word of it and regarded the entire effort as either foolish or a disinformation campaign... mostly the latter.

Meanwhile, back home, it was a conspiracy and a felony and treasonous.

I'll be glad to light his last Kool.

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (hhrZn)

203 wake me up for the frogmarch. i'm pretty sure i'll die of starvation while asleep. notgonnahappen.com.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 18, 2019 01:48 PM (KP5rU)

Your lack of faith disturbs me.

Ha. Ha Ha. HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!

I can't believe I said that with a straight face. I kill me.

Posted by: Horowitz - I Will Come !!! at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (YdDqa)

204 133
I don't think I've ever seen a grey box thread go on this long. I like it.

Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2019
*
*
. . .

It's a hazy shade of winter!

Or a whiter shade of pale. Either way.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 18, 2019 01:52 PM (ClOmq)

205 There's actually a whole lot more to that story than you know. He deserved every minute of his time, probably more.
Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (nRWPy)

Whatever happened to that communist fuck posting his loyalty while at West Point?

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:52 PM (Zz0t1)

206 Fucking amazing. The Orlando Sentinel has published its 2020 Predisential endorsement editorial a year and a half before the election, declaring their choice as "Anyone But Trump".

Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Demofascists are certifiable at June 18, 2019 01:52 PM (LISuA)

207 198 But Trump said pussy. So she would have been a better president.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (FiUMj)

And his wife posed nude...tsk tsk..can't have that in a First Lady.

Posted by: IC at June 18, 2019 01:52 PM (a0IVu)

208 Another good reason for using the .gov address, is that if your e-mails get hacked, it's the government's IT people that are on the hook for the blame. You run your own server, it's you on the hook.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Another good reason for using the .gov address?
Mishandling classified documents.
Inside the firewall - ok.
Outside the firewall - bad juju.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2019 01:52 PM (sRczR)

209 There's actually a whole lot more to that story than you know. He deserved every minute of his time, probably more.

Oh. Well, that was the only semi-analogous case I could only vaguely remember.

I regret the... whatever.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at June 18, 2019 01:52 PM (l8gTz)

210 the fbi is a criminal organization. a legal mafia. time for them to have rico shoved up their ass.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 18, 2019 01:52 PM (KP5rU)

211 @paulsperry_
"I was actually dumbfounded why found out that Cheryl Mills had been given immunity [by the Comey FBI] , because I myself found that CheryI Mills had committed perjury and lied under oath" - U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lambert.
Posted by: redridinghood at June 18, 2019 01:49 PM (RBOtF)

Umm, that would be the ever effective circular pardoning squad which is a staple of the Dims...just like their circular firings squads and jerks.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at June 18, 2019 01:53 PM (kXoT0)

212 The excuse never made any sense unless you assume she was co-mingling everything. Which she was, and has seemingly admitted to.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (GBteo)

Yep. It's bad when your excuse actually doesn't excuse you from the original allegation. She must have been a great lawyer.

Al Capone: "I didn't kill that guy! My alibi is I was killing some OTHER guy at the time!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:53 PM (Jzd7W)

213 118 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

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Watch out, he has retard strength

Posted by: josephistan at June 18, 2019 01:53 PM (7HtZB)

214 None of Hillary's crew is even going to get transferred to HR.

Posted by: blaster at June 18, 2019 01:53 PM (ovpZu)

215 I have always thought Cheryl Mills was a twat. Just figured out she is black.

I hereby denounce my racism.

Posted by: nip at June 18, 2019 01:53 PM (DfGpI)

216
But Trump said pussy. So she would have been a better president.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (FiUMj)

Another reason to loathe the Bush family. They voted for the Beast because PDT was mean to Jeb.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:53 PM (ptqGC)

217 Bright.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 18, 2019 01:53 PM (J+mig)

218 Just out of curiosity, if a provably corrupt member of the FBI or DOJ offers immunity to someone, so they can both escape the consequences of illegal behavior, is the immunity still legitimate?

I would think a conspiracy that involves government officials giving immunity to their fellow conspirators might nullify said immunity.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (YslsA)

219 The one thing about Hillary that no one talks about, why would Russia be against her?

Posted by: JB1000 at June 18, 2019 01:51 PM (16OL0)

Why are we assuming that it was the official policy of the Russian government to be against Hillary?

I don't know that I believe that.

But if it is true, the easier explanation is because Obama and Hillary (and European governments) used the US government to try to overthrow the elected president of Ukraine in a power play to bring Ukraine in to the EU and/or NATO.

Which Russia is paranoid about, for obvious reasons. (I would be, too, if I were the president of russia)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (GBteo)

220 And his wife posed nude...tsk tsk..can't have that in a First Lady.
Posted by: IC at June 18, 2019 01:52 PM (a0IVu)

And God knows we didn't WANT it in any of the First Ladies heretofore.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (Jzd7W)

221 Another good reason for using the .gov address, is that if your e-mails get hacked, it's the government's IT people that are on the hook for the blame. You run your own server, it's you on the hook.
___________________

Bwahahahahahaha. In your dreams, maybe! Ain't no hook big enough to catch my fat, corrupt ass!

Posted by: Hilliary Clinton at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (k4dH2)

222 blaster @90:

"Oh right Hillary is a crook because she used the wrong email address!"

I love that one.

Posted by: JPS at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (ZJ8Be)

223 179
@paulsperry_

"I was actually dumbfounded why found out that Cheryl Mills had
been given immunity [by the Comey FBI] , because I myself found that
CheryI Mills had committed perjury and lied under oath" - U.S. District
Court Judge Royce C. Lambert.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 18, 2019
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Wasn't Cheryl Mills that hot young chick on Daktari?

Oh. It's been a few years?

Oh.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (ClOmq)

224 More than anything else, Hillary wanted to be president. Frankly, if the extent of her "punishment" is that she will never get that, and is continually exposed in a drip-drip manner over the years as being a corrupt fraud, I'm fine with that.

The other part of this is it exposes the total corruption of the Democrat Party. They are complete subversives, ubiquitous across all parts of the government. They undermine the rule of law, constitution and justice all for their political cult. This particular piece of nonsense will probably never happen again now that it is being exposed.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (VpIIl)

225 >>So did Loretta Lynch....can't remember her 'name' now off the top of my head but she did.

Loretta Lynch
Eric Holder
Carter Page
Kathleen Sibelius
Liza Jackson

All caught using one or more private email addresses to do official business in addition to TFG and FAB.

Heck, I think the Lois Lerner investigation turned up Lerner and others at IRS emailing private IRS material so they could 'work from home" or some other lame excuse.

The Obama administration was all about hiding what they did and said.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 01:55 PM (bDqIh)

226 >>But if it is true, the easier explanation is because Obama and Hillary (and European governments) used the US government to try to overthrow the elected president of Ukraine in a power play to bring Ukraine in to the EU and/or NATO.

They didn't try. They did it.

I'm telling you, if you want to understand where the real action came from in 2016 look to Ukraine and not Russia.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 01:55 PM (PxX58)

227 Yep. It's bad when your excuse actually doesn't excuse you from the original allegation. She must have been a great lawyer.

Al Capone: "I didn't kill that guy! My alibi is I was killing some OTHER guy at the time!"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

While cheating on my taxes!

Posted by: pep at June 18, 2019 01:55 PM (wW03z)

228 Hillary! had claimed she'd set up a No Fly Zone over Syria, which I guess Russia wouldn't want or acknowledge, so IN THEORY it would've dragged us into war with Russia, which no one wanted.

Other than that, yeah, I have to think Putin would prefer Hillary!, but he also likes American chaos.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (l8gTz)

229 213 118 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

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Watch out, he has retard strength
Posted by: josephistan at June 18, 2019 01:53 PM (7HtZB)

Next up: Mayor Buttplug will challenge Senate Republicans to a handbag fight.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (Jzd7W)

230 218 Just out of curiosity, if a provably corrupt member of the FBI or DOJ offers immunity to someone, so they can both escape the consequences of illegal behavior, is the immunity still legitimate?

I would think a conspiracy that involves government officials giving immunity to their fellow conspirators might nullify said immunity.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (YslsA)

I don't know that we have any case law on this scenario, to be honest.

I've never heard of immunity being pulled because of misconduct on the prosecutor's side.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (GBteo)

231 Joe.I remember the feeling of being the next POTUS

Nothing like it, not even watching your wife's attacker get fried. LOL

Posted by: Dukakis at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (DPjeO)

232 The Obama administration was all about hiding what they did and said.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 01:55 PM (bDqIh)

This.

It was the most transparent administration in history, as long as it's Spongebob's "opposite day."

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)

233 i'm sure there are some nude selfies of hillary out there. to be used in poisoning cases. they "will induce vomiting."

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (KP5rU)

234 I wiped my dick on her server and all was good....Magic Servers R Available @ Clints Clear Corruption Co.

the rash has since mostly gone away and only itches
when Huma walks by.....

Posted by: saf at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (5IHGB)

235 #211... immunity which is based on a fraud is revokable. DOJ doesn't have plenary power....only the President does.

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (hhrZn)

236 I seem to have misplaced my shocked face.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at June 18, 2019 01:57 PM (yQpMk)

237
According to Bloomberg "news" by the year 2050, 50% of energy will come from solar or wind. C'mon now, if you're going to do propaganda go big with it. Say 150% the lefty rubes will buy that too

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 18, 2019 01:57 PM (OLCnA)

238 All you need to know is that she deleted emails under subpoena and destroyed similarly subpoenaed communication devices, which to me would seem to be the smoking gun to prove intent.

What's going on here is beyond parody.

Oh well, at least she will never be President, hopefully.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at June 18, 2019 01:57 PM (88mwq)

239 They had orders to make sure they did an investigation but to make sure Hillary didn't get in trouble. Period.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (39g3+)

240 And God knows we didn't WANT it in any of the First Ladies heretofore.

Technically Jackie didn't pose, she got paparazzied, but she looked plenty good nekkid.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (fuK7c)

241 This is all theater to distract you from the real problem: that medical costs have been increasing at 7%-8% per year for the past 25 years, that in 2024 they will (if permitted) swallow the entire federal budget, and that a severe economic and possibly political dislocation will occur instead.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=236090

It can be stopped by applying antitrust law against the medical monopolies. Trump even talked about this - specifically about this - during his campaign, and had multiple references to it on his campaign website.

All of that text was removed the night he won and he hasn't said a word about it since.

Theater. Just theater, keeping the redneck dumbasses entertained.

Stop cooperating.

Posted by: Rollory at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (UWkfC)

242 I've never heard of immunity being pulled because of misconduct on the prosecutor's side.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (GBteo)

Fruit of the poison tree?

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (J+mig)

243 So, Governor Clinton, would you be in favor of the death penalty if someone killed your wife.

This is a trick question , right ???

Posted by: Billy at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (DPjeO)

244
Next up: Mayor Buttplug will challenge Senate Republicans to a handbag fight.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (Jzd7W)

Kristen Gillibrand will challenge Senate Republicans to a shot drinking contest.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (TAmPV)

245 Let's be fair people, the FBI doesn't have time to look at Hillary emails. They're too busy shill posting on 8chan blaming mass shootings on Mossad.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (eAshZ)

246 233 i'm sure there are some nude selfies of hillary out there. to be used in poisoning cases. they "will induce vomiting."
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (KP5rU)

They're kept in a glass box labeled "After the four hour mark, break glass and extract photo."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (Jzd7W)

247 a NO FLY ZONE those critters won't go near Hillary......

Posted by: saf at June 18, 2019 01:59 PM (5IHGB)

248 235 #211... immunity which is based on a fraud is revokable. DOJ doesn't have plenary power....only the President does.
Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (hhrZn)

...If the person given immunity lies or commits fraud, sure.

But if the prosecutor is the one who gave immunity with bad faith?

From a policy perspective, I'm not sure we'd want the government to be able to give someone immunity, have them give all kind of incriminating evidence, then retroactively pull the immunity when the immunized person spoke in good faith and followed the terms of his immunity.

(I'm talking in the wider context, not in this specific case.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:59 PM (GBteo)

249 I'm sorta half shocked she's still alive.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:59 PM (nRWPy)

250 #13 Clinton Foundation does lots of Sooper sekret squirrel buzineZz

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 01:59 PM (hhrZn)

251 What's going on here is beyond parody.

We left parody in the rearview mirror years ago. We're almost through dada and Grand Guignol and into uncharted territory.

Posted by: pep at June 18, 2019 01:59 PM (wW03z)

252 OT, folks waiting in line in Florida appear to be having themselves a good old time.

*envious, wish I was there*

Posted by: IC at June 18, 2019 01:59 PM (a0IVu)

253 >>I'm sorta half shocked she's still alive.

Me, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 02:00 PM (bDqIh)

254 Kristen Gillibrand will challenge Senate Republicans to a shot drinking contest.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (TAmPV)

Fauxcahontas will count coup on Senate Republicans.

Maxine Waters will scalp Senate Republicans, and wear the scalps instead of her usual fright wig.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:00 PM (Jzd7W)

255 249 I'm sorta half shocked she's still alive.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:59 PM (nRWPy)

She and RBG still alive - satan looks after his own I guess.

Posted by: IC at June 18, 2019 02:00 PM (a0IVu)

256 More than anything else, Hillary wanted to be president. Frankly, if the extent of her "punishment" is that she will never get that, and is continually exposed in a drip-drip manner over the years as being a corrupt fraud, I'm fine with that.

The other part of this is it exposes the total corruption of the Democrat Party. They are complete subversives, ubiquitous across all parts of the government. They undermine the rule of law, constitution and justice all for their political cult. This particular piece of nonsense will probably never happen again now that it is being exposed.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (VpIIl)

I AM NOT. She still gets to waddle around lying onstage for money wearing her expensive ugly couture, drunk off her @ss on the finest of booze, and breathing free air.

Yeah, it eats at her that she sucked it up by being loyal to BJ and all she got was that lousy SoS job, but, that is not the legal punishment for treason and if she never actually pays for her treason with a government imposed penalty, then we are just another banana republic--a little shinier, a little freer, but, still ruled by creeps who can let ambassadors die while they snuggle with the muslim brotherhood, et al, while we peasants actually go to jail for our tiny little crimes.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at June 18, 2019 02:00 PM (kXoT0)

257 Actor Kevin Sabo is killing it on Twitter with his truth bombs against the Left.

https://tinyurl.com/y36l6vhl

Posted by: redridinghood at June 18, 2019 02:00 PM (RBOtF)

258 OT, folks waiting in line in Florida appear to be having themselves a good old time.

*envious, wish I was there*

Posted by: IC at June 18, 2019 01:59 PM (a0IVu)

There's a group of lefties nearby with their own baby Trump balloon. I hope someone pops it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 02:00 PM (ptqGC)

259 #238 All you need to know is that she deleted emails under subpoena and
destroyed similarly subpoenaed communication devices, which to me would
seem to be the smoking gun to prove intent.

What's going on here is beyond parody.

Oh well, at least she will never be President, hopefully.
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Wasn't part of the Hillary-Mills agreement that the FBI would destroy the confiscated hard drives?

Posted by: mrp at June 18, 2019 02:00 PM (Pqytn)

260 Hopefully the Grays and the Reptilians take Felonia Von Pantsuit back to her home planet in the glass box filled with formaldehyde.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 18, 2019 02:01 PM (BRpqW)

261 Probably had nothing to do with our spies in China disappearing.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 18, 2019 02:01 PM (DB16e)

262 There's actually a whole lot more to that story than you know. He deserved every minute of his time, probably more.
Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (nRWPy)
~~~~~

Clue me in, please dagny.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 18, 2019 02:01 PM (NtglE)

263 Fruit of the poison tree?
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (J+mig)

Well, so the idea is that we should yank immunity from Cheryl Mills and Huma and whoever else and charge them for crimes they clearly committed.

And the theory is that the prosecutors who granted immunity acted in bad faith.

But like ... I don't know if there's precedent for that.

There might be, I'm by no means an expert on this subject, but ... I can't imagine this kind of scenario comes up very often in the US. It would require a lot of corruption for it to actually be a thing. We usually grant widddeee latitude to prosecutors, and usually the only real penalty they can face is an ethical violation in front of their state bar and/or losing their jobs.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:02 PM (GBteo)

264 From a policy perspective, I'm not sure we'd want the government to be
able to give someone immunity, have them give all kind of incriminating
evidence, then retroactively pull the immunity when the immunized person
spoke in good faith and followed the terms of his immunity.

From a "policy perspective", I'm pretty sure I don't want Federal Law Enforcement to even have the power to give immunity anymore, or to pull a FISA warrant, or operate an MRAP, or possess crew-served weapons, or a thousand other powers they currently enjoy.

Posted by: This is Not Sarcasm at June 18, 2019 02:02 PM (kk0Yg)

265 From a policy perspective, I'm not sure we'd want the government to be able to give someone immunity, have them give all kind of incriminating evidence, then retroactively pull the immunity when the immunized person spoke in good faith and followed the terms of his immunity.

(I'm talking in the wider context, not in this specific case.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:59 PM (GBteo)

Agree 100%.

It's important to consider the long-term public policy impact.

We don't want to do stupid, short-sighted stuff, such as Harry Reid nuking the two-thirds majority requirement for Senate confirmations.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:02 PM (Jzd7W)

266 255; nah, satan is a lazy fuck. he expects some other commie dumbass to do the shit jobs for him. he just reaps the rewards.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 18, 2019 02:02 PM (KP5rU)

267 229 213 118 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

He actually said that? WTF? It seems he's trying to prove the accusation that he's retarded.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at June 18, 2019 02:02 PM (JgA4k)

268 #248 If the recipient of the immunity was working with the prosecution to acquire immunity to avoid culpability that would be a conspiracy to obstruct justice.

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:03 PM (hhrZn)

269 252
OT, folks waiting in line in Florida appear to be having themselves a good old time.

*envious, wish I was there*

Posted by: IC at June 18, 2019
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If they're outdoors during a Florida June, no you don't. Hot and sticky, and have I mentioned hot?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 18, 2019 02:03 PM (ClOmq)

270 And the theory is that the prosecutors who granted immunity acted in bad faith.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:02 PM (GBteo)

Then go after the prosecutors, not the person who received the immunity.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:03 PM (Jzd7W)

271
I AM NOT. She still gets to waddle around lying onstage for money wearing her expensive ugly couture, drunk off her @ss on the finest of booze, and breathing free air.

Yeah, it eats at her that she sucked it up by being loyal to BJ and all she got was that lousy SoS job, but, that is not the legal punishment for treason and if she never actually pays for her treason with a government imposed penalty, then we are just another banana republic--a little shinier, a little freer, but, still ruled by creeps who can let ambassadors die while they snuggle with the muslim brotherhood, et al, while we peasants actually go to jail for our tiny little crimes.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at June 18, 2019 02:00 PM (kXoT0)

Beautifully stated.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 18, 2019 02:03 PM (TdMsT)

272 He actually said that? WTF? It seems he's trying to prove the accusation that he's retarded.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at June 18, 2019 02:02 PM (JgA4k)

He's trying to get the hard left onside, nothing more.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:04 PM (Jzd7W)

273 If they're outdoors during a Florida June, no you don't. Hot and sticky, and have I mentioned hot?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 18, 2019 02:03 PM (ClOmq)

So...sweat and BO?

Posted by: IC at June 18, 2019 02:04 PM (a0IVu)

274 According to Bloomberg "news" by the year 2050, 50% of energy will come from solar or wind. C'mon now, if you're going to do propaganda go big with it
--------

They DID go big with it.

Posted by: ... at June 18, 2019 02:04 PM (5Amnx)

275 262
There's actually a whole lot more to that story than you know. He deserved every minute of his time, probably more.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 01:50 PM (nRWPy)

~~~~~

Clue me in, please dagny.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 18, 2019
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I'm curious too. Hannity has been nattering about this gross inequity and gross miscarriage of justice for a long time.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 18, 2019 02:04 PM (ClOmq)

276 Did y'all see the Valedictorian speech where she called out her counselor and a drunk teacher?

Epic....

https://www.youtube.com/embed/YWcY5WxDecI?feature=oembed

Posted by: Sponge at June 18, 2019 02:04 PM (Zz0t1)

277 >>If the recipient of the immunity was working with the prosecution to acquire immunity to avoid culpability that would be a conspiracy to obstruct justice.

Yea, I don't see this setting any new evil precedent. If you have a corrupt prosecutor working in league with a corrupt suspect that seems like a fairly unique situation and even if it isn't then I still don't have a problem with it.

The FBI clearly operated with corrupt intent. Throw out the immunity agreements.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 02:05 PM (PxX58)

278 Of course, it's a massive conflict of interest to co-mingle the state department with your private fake "charity" that is constantly seeking money from people who may or may not have to work with the state department. But apparently that's no big deal to the FBI.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 01:44 PM (GBteo)

-------

To be clear: the work I do for my company is proprietary and copyrighted, but in no way sensitive - far from it, in fact. 95% of what I do is expressly for the public to see. I have to handle sensitive internal data that isn't meant for outsiders so rarely that it barely warrants mention.

I am expressly forbidden from using personal email for work. Period.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2019 02:05 PM (AzW6q)

279 267 229 213 118 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

Joe's idea of physical revolution is putting First Graders in a chokehold so he gets first dibs on the Elmers.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 18, 2019 02:05 PM (BRpqW)

280 This particular piece of nonsense will probably never happen again now that it is being exposed.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 18, 2019 01:54 PM (VpIIl)

If none of them go to jail, there's no reason for it NOT to happen again. Rules without consequences are really nothing more than suggestions.

Posted by: This is Not Sarcasm at June 18, 2019 02:05 PM (kk0Yg)

281 From a "policy perspective", I'm pretty sure I don't want Federal Law Enforcement to even have the power to give immunity anymore, or to pull a FISA warrant, or operate an MRAP, or possess crew-served weapons, or a thousand other powers they currently enjoy.

Posted by: This is Not Sarcasm at June 18, 2019 02:02 PM (kk0Yg)

Well, sure, all of that.

But usually when questions like this get in front of courts, they look a few steps down the road. "If we allow this immunity to be retroactively pulled because of bad faith on the part of the GOVERNMENT, and open a defendant up to prosecution when they acted in good faith, what would that precedent actually mean going forward?"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:06 PM (GBteo)

282 #268 Clearly Bite Me is inviting a milk shake attack.

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:06 PM (hhrZn)

283 If the recipient of the immunity was working with the prosecution to acquire immunity to avoid culpability that would be a conspiracy to obstruct justice.
Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:03 PM (hhrZn)

I think we may need to adopt the British phrasing for that crime, "perversion of justice", which adequately describes what is going on here. The justice system isn't just thwarted by an outside actor, but subverted by people within it.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 18, 2019 02:07 PM (J+mig)

284 >>Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

WHat's amazing is how often Biden says stuff like this. And then the MSM treats him like a charming old uncle. No, he is and has long been a jerk who says awful things.

His "They're gonna put y'all back in chains!" to a black audience in Virginia (complete with folksy Southern twang) was ugly and out of bounds. Blacks should have been insulted by it, the idea that this slick politician could roll into town, make them feel like slavery is just an election away and blame it one his opponents. Despicable.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2019 02:07 PM (bDqIh)

285 For those who dont know, on November 20, 2009, the State Department was awarded the NSAs highest information assurance award.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 18, 2019 02:07 PM (YIMAA)

286 Somebody mentioned Boris Johnson's chances in a party election today so I looked it up.

There's an election today. And tomorrow. And the next day. All actual elections, btw, narrowing the field. And then there's a month of hustings, whatever that means.

We don't know the new PM until July 22.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2019 02:07 PM (fuK7c)

287 Yea, I don't see this setting any new evil precedent. If you have a corrupt prosecutor working in league with a corrupt suspect that seems like a fairly unique situation and even if it isn't then I still don't have a problem with it.

The FBI clearly operated with corrupt intent. Throw out the immunity agreements.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 02:05 PM (PxX5

Well, I don't think it really matters at this point anyways -- the statute of limitations has probably run on any crimes they committed. Or will have run by the time this gets anywhere. I don't think it would be tolled because of bad faith on the side of the government.

It's more a political issue then a legal one.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:08 PM (GBteo)

288 Mysterious fire in the Clinton Chappaqua mansion ... Bit bleached hard drives. Obstruction of justice.

Posted by: mrp at June 18, 2019 02:08 PM (Pqytn)

289 #271 hear hear!

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:08 PM (hhrZn)

290 According to Bloomberg "news" by the year 2050, 50% of energy will come from solar or wind. C'mon now, if you're going to do propaganda go big with it

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The only way you go back to that percentages of renewable energy usage is by reverting to a pre-industrial society.... which is exactly what they'd prefer, now that I mention it.

Posted by: Gaius Baltar at June 18, 2019 02:08 PM (OJXf7)

291 A political candidate calling for violent revolution.

Your 2020 Dems, ladies and gentlemen and adrogynous xers.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (oVJmc)

292 According to Bloomberg "news" by the year 2050, 50% of energy will come from solar or wind. C'mon now, if you're going to do propaganda go big with it. Say 150% the lefty rubes will buy that too
Posted by: TheQuietMan

I found a funnier one today:

@climateprogress 9m

Renewables now cheaper than new coal or gas 'across two-thirds of the world'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (DrqHq)

293 "Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at June 18, 2019 02:00 PM (kXoT0)"

I just don't believe the system will prosecute her. She's a disgusting, treasonous, low-life bitch who succeeded only because she was connected and corrupt. I will never forgive her for leaving my friends to die in Benghazi for her politics, while simultaneously trying to steal credit from men, and frankly based on the policies of the prior administration they flogged, for the killing of UBL. People like Hillary and all of those involved are an anathema to a democratic republic, They encompass the worst fears of our Framers, Founders and people like the anti Federalists. They are a cancer within our government who doesn't seek to govern, they seek to rule and the world is a lesser place for any of them being born into it.

But I just believe they covered their asses far too well to actually be accountable for it in any material way or by placing them where they should be, federal prison.

That's why for scum like that, killing their ego and sense of self and power seems to be the best punishment.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (VpIIl)

294 But usually when questions like this get in front of
courts, they look a few steps down the road.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:06 PM (GBteo)

No Harry.

When questions like this get in front of the courts, the courts usually make sure to preserve the powers of the judiciary. Nothing more.

Today's current mess is largely because of a corrupt Judiciary. The solution will not be found within the Judiciary. Federal Law Enforcement is not going to crack down on Federal Law Enforcement.

Posted by: This is Not Sarcasm at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (kk0Yg)

295 >>Well, I don't think it really matters at this point anyways -- the statute of limitations has probably run on any crimes they committed. Or will have run by the time this gets anywhere. I don't think it would be tolled because of bad faith on the side of the government.

>>It's more a political issue then a legal one.

Much of what was happening was in 2016 including the destruction of evidence under subpoena.

That is not past the statute of limitations.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (PxX58)

296 From a "policy perspective", I'm pretty sure I don't want Federal Law Enforcement to even have the power to give immunity anymore, or to pull a FISA warrant,

Think. Suppose a low-level staffer had the goods on Obongo and/or Hillarhoid, but would only spill if given immunity. No immunity? No dice.

Re FISA warrants, suppose evidence came to hand that the Chinese/ Russians/ Muslims are planning or pulling some crap. No FISA warrant to investigate?

The fact that immunity and FISA have been abused is not a compelling argument for getting rid of them, since anything can be abused. See, e.g., London and knives.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (Jzd7W)

297 I think we may need to adopt the British phrasing for that crime, "perversion of justice", which adequately describes what is going on here. The justice system isn't just thwarted by an outside actor, but subverted by people within it.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 18, 2019 02:07 PM (J+mig)

Yeah, I mean -- we all agree what happened her is unjust and wrong. And there should be some kind of remedy...

but as I've pointed out before with the various Clinton bullshitery -- this was all orchestrated by lawyers (particularly slimy lawyers) who know the law, and know how to do things that will not open them up to criminal liability.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (GBteo)

298 hat medical costs have been increasing at 7%-8% per year for the past 25 years, that in 2024 they will (if permitted) swallow the entire federal budget

At 8% they double every 9 years so I'm not exactly sure how they will swallow the entire federal budget in 5.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at June 18, 2019 02:10 PM (yQpMk)

299 He's trying to get the hard left onside, nothing more.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:04 PM (Jzd7W)

My dyslexia led me to read that as "He's trying to get the left hard..."

Which, come to think of it, works too.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 18, 2019 02:10 PM (O8WFE)

300 And then there's a month of hustings, whatever that means.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2019 02:07 PM (fuK7c)

I'm going to assume that it's some kind of sport meant to be played between morning and afternoon tea, and probably involves hitting peasants with croquet balls or flung mallets by accident. Scoring is based on how believable your polite apologies sound.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 18, 2019 02:11 PM (J+mig)

301 Biden needs to fight his way out of his Depends, before anything else. Fucking weak sauce old bitch.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 18, 2019 02:11 PM (VpIIl)

302 #287 statute of limitations won't take effect if fraud was used to toll them.

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:11 PM (hhrZn)

303 Renewables now cheaper than new coal or gas 'across two-thirds of the world'
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (DrqHq)

Laughable. The "renewables" they're talking about are probably yak/ camel/ elephant dung.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:11 PM (Jzd7W)

304 Real American Steel: http://tinyurl.com/y3dopcfd

Sorry for the Thread Jack..

Posted by: catman at June 18, 2019 02:12 PM (4HMlb)

305 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that the way he would deal with Senate Republicans who oppose his agenda is with a "brass knuckle fight," later adds: "Let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it"

What a flippin' clown. I guess the "go sign" will be the shotgun blast through the door.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2019 02:12 PM (xjiRE)

306 Much of what was happening was in 2016 including the destruction of evidence under subpoena.

That is not past the statute of limitations.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (PxX5

Okay, so using 2016 as the date -- there's what... a 5 year SoL on most federal crimes? Shorter for civil stuff, IIRC?

I don't know enough about equitable tolling and the various tolling of SoL to really have an informed opinion about that, but ... yeah, I'm not holding my breath here.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:12 PM (GBteo)

307 I'd love nothing more than for the Left to be the ones to kick off the war. When we finish grinding their worthless faces into the filth of ignominy and defeat, the culpability will be theirs alone and the punishment won't be questioned.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2019 02:13 PM (AzW6q)

308 Another reason to loathe the Bush family. They voted for the Beast because PDT was mean to Jeb.
=====

I think we dodged a bullet because I think right now the main family wealth is in textbooks -- Common Core Compliant. If we ever get to the 'core' of that scam, it will not be pretty.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 18, 2019 02:13 PM (MIKMs)

309 Someone needs to give Biden brass knuckles while he is on stage so he can wave them at the crowd.

Kinda like an insider Project Veritas.

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:13 PM (hhrZn)

310 You wouldn't want me prosecuted if I took a selfie of myself and your naked 3 year old was running through the sprinklers in the background. You would want me prosecuted if I went to considerable trouble to climb through your 2nd story window and took pics of your kid in the bathtub and then accidentally "dropped" my new camera in a public park trash bin.

Just sayin'

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 02:13 PM (nRWPy)

311 He's trying to get the hard left onside, nothing more.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:04 PM (Jzd7W)

=================================
With the field of primary candidates even dropping down to five contenders, and DNC "superdelegates" prohibited from voting in the first round of nomination balloting, every vote counts. I wonder if the Dem primary delegate certification will require US citizenship.

Posted by: mrp at June 18, 2019 02:14 PM (Pqytn)

312 I could use a pitchfork to shovel live babies into a dump truck at this point and STILL nothing would happen to me...

Posted by: Hillary! at June 18, 2019 02:14 PM (flINI)

313 The younger generations in the Democrat Party are right. Biden is the past, not the future. He's everything people voted against in 2016. How they win with that message will be a feat of monumental accomplishment. There are not a majority of the voters sitting around pinning for the Obama years to come back.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 18, 2019 02:14 PM (VpIIl)

314 302 #287 statute of limitations won't take effect if fraud was used to toll them.

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:11 PM (hhrZn)

Maybe, I don't know.

I don't do criminal law, much less federal criminal law, and I can't think of anything I've ever read about what happens if the government is the one accused of committing the fraud and what would happen.

Logically, it would seem that the government would face punishment, not the suspect.

Like I don't think Hillary committed a crime by negotiating deals that were favorable to her in exchange for immunity. Every criminal tries to do that. The check on that kind of abuse is the prosecutor.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:15 PM (GBteo)

315 #307 After the Civil War we allowed the Democrats to lie about loyalty to the Union and regain their offices.

Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:15 PM (hhrZn)

316 OT, from Insty:

Swing states: Biden dominates, Trump's reelection in trouble.

But ... but ... if the Reds scupper Biden, then that goes over the side, a McGovern-style shellacking is a good bet.

OTOH, if they nominate Biden, I suspect we're going to see Chicago 1968 redux.

Hmmm. Quite the quandary, eh, comrades?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:16 PM (Jzd7W)

317 Think. Suppose a low-level staffer had the goods on
Obongo and/or Hillarhoid, but would only spill if given immunity. No
immunity? No dice.

Re FISA warrants, suppose evidence came to hand that the Chinese/
Russians/ Muslims are planning or pulling some crap. No FISA warrant to
investigate?

The fact that immunity and FISA have been abused is not a compelling
argument for getting rid of them, since anything can be abused. See,
e.g., London and knives.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (Jzd7W)

Think. How many of these "low-level staffers" have dropped a dime on anybody ? How many of these "Honest Rank and File Employees" have come forward ? None. That's part of why we're here. The tree is rotten all the way to the roots.

Think. How did the FISA system stop any of this, or stop Hillary from selling Uranium ? Or open up the Benghazi or Fast and Furious sham investigations ?

Think. Federal Law Enforcement is much more interested in monitoring the American Public and protecting the DC Establishment than foiling any foreign threat.

Think. Why do you still, after all we know, want to give them secret tools that they prove - time and again - they will only use against us.

Think.

Posted by: This is Not Sarcasm at June 18, 2019 02:16 PM (kk0Yg)

318 Didn't idiot Joe threaten to meet Trump outside?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at June 18, 2019 02:17 PM (JgA4k)

319 Renewables now cheaper than new coal or gas 'across two-thirds of the world'
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (DrqHq)

don't even have to do much research to know that they're talking about the 2/3 or so that's covered by water.

yep, hard to dig coal there. even tougher to burn it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 18, 2019 02:17 PM (k1TUh)

320 292 According to Bloomberg "news" by the year 2050, 50% of energy will come from solar or wind. C'mon now, if you're going to do propaganda go big with it. Say 150% the lefty rubes will buy that too
Posted by: TheQuietMan

I found a funnier one today:

@climateprogress 9m

Renewables now cheaper than new coal or gas 'across two-thirds of the world'
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 18, 2019 02:09 PM (DrqHq)

I'm betting that climateprogress isn't bothering to tell their readers that the magic renewables used by 2/3 of the world are either running crude wooden windmills or burning yak dung.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 18, 2019 02:17 PM (RD7QR)

321 Swing states: Biden dominates, Trump's reelection in trouble

Uh huh. Hillary up by 9 in Florida. Trump has no chance in Michigan. No path to electoral victory for Trump. Early night.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 18, 2019 02:18 PM (39g3+)

322 >>Think. How many of these "low-level staffers" have dropped a dime on anybody ? How many of these "Honest Rank and File Employees" have come forward ? None. That's part of why we're here. The tree is rotten all the way to the roots.

According to Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows just the other day, numerous.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 02:18 PM (PxX58)

323
#307 After the Civil War we allowed the Democrats to lie about loyalty to the Union and regain their offices.
Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:15 PM (hhrZn)

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I know. Never, ever again. This time, all leadership should be shot for treason, no exceptions. All known Democrats lose the franchise permanently, no exceptions. All Left parties permanently proscribed, no exceptions. And we get a Constitutional amendment expressly forbidding transfer payments from the US Treasury to a US citizen under any circumstances, preventing Leftism from ever, ever rising again.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)

324 Reminder: in the first days of the Trump Administration, the president wanted to cut the State Department budget to the bone, and Turtle McConnell said it ain't happening. That must be the Golden Goose of the Imperial City's cash cows.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 18, 2019 02:18 PM (k+UmV)

325 After the Civil War we allowed the Democrats to lie about loyalty to the Union and regain their offices.
Posted by: torabora at June 18, 2019 02:15 PM (hhrZn)

If there is another one, the penalty ought to be permanent exile. Maybe China will trade us its political prisoners and disaffected citizens with poor social credit in exchange. Win-win. Their collective gets our collectivists, we get their individualists.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 18, 2019 02:18 PM (J+mig)

326 I need more 20 round magazines.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 18, 2019 02:18 PM (V+bdf)

327 I still can't get over the absurdity of it all.

Hillary in 2015: "Yeah, I've got my emails on a server in a bathroom towel cupboard, but it's TOTALLY safe!"

Hillary in 2017: "We got hacked by Russians and Trump!"

How does the public ignore all this?

Insane.

Posted by: RKae at June 18, 2019 02:19 PM (Z7UfT)

328 I suspect the pro-biden polling numbers "leaking" from the Trump camp are a trap.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at June 18, 2019 02:19 PM (eAshZ)

329 I need more 20 round magazines.

I need nightvision.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at June 18, 2019 02:19 PM (yQpMk)

330 Think. How many of these "low-level staffers" have dropped a dime on anybody ? How many of these "Honest Rank and File Employees" have come forward ? None. That's part of why we're here. The tree is rotten all the way to the roots.

Think. How did the FISA system stop any of this, or stop Hillary from selling Uranium ? Or open up the Benghazi or Fast and Furious sham investigations ?

Think. Federal Law Enforcement is much more interested in monitoring the American Public and protecting the DC Establishment than foiling any foreign threat.

Think. Why do you still, after all we know, want to give them secret tools that they prove - time and again - they will only use against us.

Think.
Posted by: This is Not Sarcasm at June 18, 2019 02:16 PM (kk0Yg)

I agree about getting rid of secret courts like FISA. It's ridiculous, that's not how our court system should work. We have real courts where search warrants can be and are obtained every day in the US.

As for immunity -- it's a valuable tool that prosecutors (and grand juries) have, and is not going anywhere, nor would we want it to. It's also used every day in the US.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:19 PM (GBteo)

331 No exile. We deal with them here.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 18, 2019 02:19 PM (V+bdf)

332
OT, from Insty:
Swing states: Biden dominates, Trump's reelection in trouble.

Uh huh.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 18, 2019 02:20 PM (TAmPV)

333 Like I don't think Hillary committed a crime by negotiating deals that were favorable to her in exchange for immunity. Every criminal tries to do that. The check on that kind of abuse is the prosecutor.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:15 PM (GBteo)

I agree for the deal itself - but if she destroyed evidence and obstructed justice, the fact that a friendly prosecutor declined to press charges doesn't rule out a different prosecutor choosing to go back and revisit them, so long as SoL haven't run out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 18, 2019 02:20 PM (k1TUh)

334 Just sayin'
Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 02:13 PM (nRWPy)
~~~~~

Son of a ...

And now that you mention it, I remember wondering what the heck his phone was doing in the dumpster.

A dead drop.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 18, 2019 02:20 PM (NtglE)

335 Ugh.

Every single person involved with this scam needs to be fired and their pensions denied.

Then see who needs to go to jail and prosecute.

There cannot be 2 law systems in this country.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 18, 2019 02:21 PM (0xCxv)

336 new thread up... I am talking to myself

Posted by: Ann at June 18, 2019 02:21 PM (NDO5Q)

337 Lock Her Up!

But more importantly, go after all the officials that actively covered for her.

Posted by: zmdavid at June 18, 2019 02:21 PM (xqRaG)

338 The younger generations in the Democrat Party are right. Biden is the past, not the future. He's everything people voted against in 2016. How they win with that message will be a feat of monumental accomplishment. There are not a majority of the voters sitting around pinning for the Obama years to come back.
Posted by: Marcus T

Yeah. An old white guy older than their great grandparents. Not some young, woke, PoC.
That's who they want.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2019 02:21 PM (sRczR)

339 Think. How many of these "low-level staffers" have dropped a dime on anybody ? How many of these "Honest Rank and File Employees" have come forward ? None. That's part of why we're here. The tree is rotten all the way to the roots.

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I'm so sick of the line that "there are great and honest people in the FBI."

Bullshit.

There isn't a single one.

There's no virtue in keeping your head down until you can get your pension.

Perpetrators and bystanders alike: They're all going to the same Hell.

Posted by: RKae at June 18, 2019 02:21 PM (Z7UfT)

340 nood trannys

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:22 PM (GBteo)

341 NOOD!

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 18, 2019 02:22 PM (aS1PU)

342 I agree for the deal itself - but if she destroyed evidence and obstructed justice, the fact that a friendly prosecutor declined to press charges doesn't rule out a different prosecutor choosing to go back and revisit them, so long as SoL haven't run out.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 18, 2019 02:20 PM (k1TUh)

That's true if we assume that part of the immunity deal wasn't immunity for any potential evidence destruction / justice obstruction.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 18, 2019 02:23 PM (GBteo)

343 Yeah, the next time the FBI starts investigation me and getting warrants to search my stuff, I'll simply stop them cold in their tracks by sitting down and working out some "agreements" about what they can and can't search, because I've got some really embarrassing stuff on there about yoga appointments and gluten-free recipes. Then the FBI will respect my request for privacy and not really investigate me because they're really nice and respectful toward private citizens.

Yeah. that's my plan. The FBI are my best buds, especially when I leak a bunch of national security secrets to foreign powers 'n' stuff. Afterward, we'll go out for a beer and laugh about how they didn't really search me. Hahaha, we'll laugh!

Posted by: zombie at June 18, 2019 02:23 PM (oFcdC)

344 preventing Leftism from ever, ever rising again.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)

It will always rise again, it's born of magical thinking, which can't ever be entirely eliminated. The cause of evil can only be defeated temporarily, it always returns.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 18, 2019 02:24 PM (J+mig)

345 Think. How did the FISA system stop any of this, or stop Hillary from selling Uranium ? Or open up the Benghazi or Fast and Furious sham investigations ?

How many FISA warrants are you aware of?

This is just like, e.g., immigration laws. You can't blame the law for the outcome if the law is not faithfully enforced. Should we repeal all the immigration laws?

The failure is at the implementation level, not the conceptual one.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:24 PM (Jzd7W)

346 Son of a ...

JUST that piece alone should have had him locked up forever. So the idea he was persecuted...

There was an egyptian guy about 4 years ago who got his citizenship and was working at the shipbuilding contractor in Portsmouth. He was stealing blueprints and taking pictures. He had the misfortune of getting the same judge for his espionage trial who had also sworn him in as a new citizen. The judge remembered and was less than pleased. Heh.

Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 02:25 PM (nRWPy)

347

I'd like to see Hillary appear in an orange prison suit with shackles and hobbles.

Just for the humiliation factor.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 18, 2019 02:25 PM (KATBx)

348 246 233 i'm sure there are some nude selfies of hillary out there. to be used in poisoning cases. they "will induce vomiting."
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 18, 2019 01:56 PM (KP5rU)

They're kept in a glass box labeled "After the four hour mark, break glass and extract photo."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 01:58 PM (Jzd7W)

She went to Yale in the 60s & 70s, so yes, there are nude photos of her. Every incoming freshman at Yale & Harvard in that time period, and earlier, was photographed nude for their records. Our betters, folks.

Posted by: josephistan at June 18, 2019 02:25 PM (7HtZB)

349 According to Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows just the other day, numerous.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2019 02:18 PM (PxX5

And supposedly thousands of unsealed indictments are waiting to spring forth with a sound a fury that would make the Wall of Jericho tremble.

I'll believe it when I see it. Oh, what ? Yes, I know - you're sorry that things just aren't moving with the speed some of us impatient folks desire.

Meanwhile - here we talk about statutes of limitations expiring - and I may only be alive another 15 years or so.

Posted by: This is Not Sarcasm at June 18, 2019 02:25 PM (kk0Yg)

350 Strzok says they "negotiated" to let ole hillary pick what they could investigate because the fbi didn't think they could get q search warrant.

Lulz.
Did they consider trying a fisa court??

Posted by: MST3K at June 18, 2019 02:26 PM (OimzZ)

351 The price of Bill or Hill giving a speech in 2017 is 1/20th of what it was in 2016. As if, get this, people were expecting something in return.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 18, 2019 02:27 PM (Ywmji)

352 "329

I need nightvision.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at June 18, 2019 02:19 PM (yQpMk)"
..Pro tip; skip all the math, sight through your (zeroed) night vision compatible red dot at something several hundred yards away, and adjust the IR laser to meet the dot.
You'll have the same result as all of the close-in fancy pants parallel zero setup work with about 1/100th the effort.
If you don't have a red dot... well, I'd take NV and a laser over a day optic at this point, but you'll have to confirm zero with live fire and go with a parallel zero. A laser unit w/ slaved visible laser makes this doable on a regular range in daylight.
It's a game changer, but don't forget any schmuck with a pawn shop camcorder with the IR filter cut out can see your IR laser and illumination.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at June 18, 2019 02:27 PM (eAshZ)

353 The failure is at the implementation level, not the conceptual one.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 18, 2019 02:24 PM (Jzd7W)

The same thing Marxists tell me about Socialism.

This is why we have a modern Surveillance State, Jay. Because so many people want it. DC shows you, day after day after day, how much they hate you. And what do you do ? Insist they take more and more power, to protect you.

Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

Posted by: This is Not Sarcasm at June 18, 2019 02:28 PM (kk0Yg)

354 126 I wonder how many CIA assets were killed because of the Beast?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:41 PM (ptqGC)

The Chinese wiped out a whole CIA network around that time. It makes you think.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 18, 2019 01:45 PM (RD7QR)

Body count:

Kim Philby < Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: LASue at June 18, 2019 02:29 PM (wMHPW)

355 286 And then there's a month of hustings, whatever that means.

far and few, far and few
are the lands where the hustings live
their heads are green and their hands are blue
and they went to sea in a sieve

Posted by: Anachronda at June 18, 2019 02:29 PM (sGtp+)

356 >>> JUST that piece alone should have had him locked up forever. So the idea he was persecuted...

He and his family hitched themselves to the sympathy wagon and lots of Americans fell for it, myself included.

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>>> The judge remembered and was less than pleased. Heh.
Posted by: dagny at June 18, 2019 02:25 PM (nRWPy)

Excellent.
But damn, there's so much of this crap going on.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 18, 2019 02:34 PM (NtglE)

357 Journalists say if a foreigner gave Trump a hard drive of Hillary taking Uranium One bribes, he needed to turn over all copies to Comey or McCabe at once so they could smash it with hammers out in the parking lot.

Or maybe give it all to Dir. Mueller who signed off on the crooked deal in the first place.

Or even to Chris Wray, who doesn't answer the TIPSLine when kids are being shot at Stoneman-Douglas, who thinks bias training cures sedition and who is currently hiding evidence from the American people about their FBI. No wonder they want to make President Trump get the FBI's permission--the same FBI that was criminally wiretapping him.

How 'bout instead, we force journalists to contact the FBI when they are talking to foreigners like Christopher Steele who want to influence our elections?

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 18, 2019 02:52 PM (Ndje9)

358 ...and as for military personnel with secret or TS clearances that similarly play fast and loose with classified material?

They get severely punished, up to and including hard time at Leavenworth.

But please, continue preaching to me about the "rule of law" in this country.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 18, 2019 03:06 PM (mEn6y)

359 "DS has issued 23 violations and 7 infractions incidents. ... This number will likely change as the review progresses."

Hillary Clinton will not be among them.

Posted by: Cymbaline at June 18, 2019 03:07 PM (EvYPW)

360 First, "pour encourager les autres" hammer Clinton. She/they got away with this for years. That needs to stop and the rest of the swamp needs to fear criminal enforcement of these rules. If I am not above the law then neither are they.

At the very least pull their clearances for being untrustworthy. In DC a security clearance is the ticket to a lot of "insider job" opportunity, no clearance, no job and that should not take an endless show trial.

Second, take a really thorough look at the current DoS situation. DO NOT give the next administration the opportunity to prosecute the Trump administration for this. Security is too important to ignore, err on the side of "too cautious" rather than being a total dumba$$.

Posted by: Richard at June 18, 2019 03:09 PM (huaUe)

361 Having worked in those classified environments if I had done 1/1000th of compromising gov docs, old Cankles had done, I would be so far under the jail house, Satan himself would have a hard time finding me. Fire them all and start again, cleaning house about every oh 2 years?

Posted by: ASC in PGH at June 18, 2019 03:12 PM (KGniJ)

362 Of course when Comey testified under oath before Congress, he didn't have any trouble seeing the intent to commit a crime on her part; only when he was addressing the country - not under oath - could he do his "See no evil" routine.

Posted by: An Observation at June 18, 2019 03:13 PM (R/1/i)

363 Late to the party:

22 11 I want Hillary indicted, and brought to court in a glass box.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2019 01:25 PM (ptqGC)

There's a different box I have in mind when picturing Hilary in it.
Posted by: kathysaysso at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (vkS2Z)

I'm thinking an iron maiden.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 18, 2019 03:16 PM (JNTt1)

364 Lest we forget:
Transcripts of Comey testifying under oath to Congress. Trey Gowdy
questioning Comey about the FBI director's televised claim that there
was no prosecutable case against Hillary:

GOWDY: Secretary Clinton said she never sent or received any classified information over her classified email, was that true?

COMEY: Our investigation found that there was classified information sent.

GOWDY: ...Secretary Clinton said there was nothing marked classified on her emails either sent or received, was that true?

COMEY: That's not true.

GOWDY: Secretary Clinton said "I did not email any classified material
to anyone on my email, there is no classified material," was that true?

COMEY: There was classified material emailed.

GOWDY: Secretary Clinton said she used just one device, was that true?

COMEY: She used multiple devices during the four years of her term as secretary of state.

GOWDY: Secretary Clinton said all work-related emails were returned to the State Department, was that true?

COMEY: No, we found work-related emails--thousands--that were not returned.

GOWDY: Secretary Clinton said neither she nor anyone else deleted work-related emails from her personal account, was that true?

COMEY: ...There's no doubt there were work-related emails that were removed electronically from the email system.

GOWDY: Secretary Clinton said her lawyers read every one of the emails
and were overly inclusive, did her lawyers read the email content
individually?

COMEY: No.

GOWDY: ...I'm going to ask you to put on your old hat [as a prosecutor]. False exculpatory statements they are used for what?

COMEY: Well, either for a substantive prosecution, or for evidence of intent in a criminal prosecution.

GOWDY: Exactly. Intent, and consciousness of guilt, right? Is that right?

COMEY: Right.

Posted by: An Observation at June 18, 2019 03:18 PM (R/1/i)

365 I won't consider Trump successful, until he at least gets these bastards indicted.

Posted by: Iblis at June 18, 2019 03:23 PM (9221z)

366 43 16 When John Cusack's family immigrated they changed their last name for its original spelling, Ballsack.
Posted by: Archer at June 18, 2019 01:26 PM (gmo/4)

Nah, it was Coppersack.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 18, 2019 01:29 PM (e1mEI)

More like Culolinguarian

Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 18, 2019 03:26 PM (JNTt1)

367 Federal employees and contractors are required to report instances of improper document transmission and handling to their security POC.

Posted by: SMOD at June 18, 2019 03:38 PM (QkjLD)

368 I have to assume that Hillary's home brew didn't have an encryption PKI module so I guess she just transmitted stuff "in the clear".

Posted by: SMOD at June 18, 2019 03:42 PM (QkjLD)

369 I remember, back around the time of his inauguration, that Obama insisted on using his personal BlackBerry for presidential emails, rather than using the government-issued device.

Coincidence?

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