Supreme Court Remands Decision Against "Sweet Cakes by Melissa" Bakery, Which Refused to Bake a Cake for a Gay Wedding

They sent the case back down to lower courts to reconsider in light of their Colorado decision, which said that a state agency cannot prosecute such cases while motivated by "animus" against religion.

The Supreme Court on Monday threw out a ruling against two Oregon bakers who refused to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple.
The couple, Melissa and Aaron Klein, cited religious beliefs as their reason for not providing services for a gay wedding. This touched off the latest in a series of such cases making headlines in recent years. During the court's last term, justices ruled in favor of a Colorado baker in a similar situation, stating that a state body demonstrated improper hostility toward the baker's religion in finding that he violated a state anti-discrimination law.

On Monday, the Supreme Court sent the Klein case back down to a lower court "for further consideration in light of" their Colorado decision.

Remember that The Also Fiercely Heterosexual Former Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy's decision in Colorado was a punt, though: his vote tipped the court against the Colorado persecution, but only on the narrow grounds that it had been mounted with "animus" against the religious.

Well, what if a state agency persecutes a business for refusing to violate their religious beliefs by taking a major role in a gay marriage, but the state agency does not exhibit an "animus" against religion while doing so?

The Supreme Court didn't say.
The Supreme Court had earlier remanded the state persecution of a florist in Washington State, sending the case back to the Washington (state) Supreme Court, also telling that state supreme court to reconsider in light of the Colorado decision.

Well, on June 6, the Washington (state) Supreme Court found again against the florist, finding that there was no "animus," just good ol' neutral discrimination against the religious.

Now that case will likely return to the Supreme Court, who will not be able to punt again.

In a hotly anticipated decision, the Washington Supreme Court ruled against a florist who was fined for not providing services for a gay couple's wedding.
The court had previously heard the case, State of Washington v. Arlene's Flowers, ruling that Barronelle Stutzman and her store, Arlene's Flowers, violated the Washington Law Against Discrimination (WLAD) for refusing to make floral arrangements for a gay couple in 2013. Stutzman claimed that she was only acting in accordance with her religious beliefs. The U.S. Supreme Court asked the state high court to take another look at whether it violated her religious rights by not being neutral to her religion when making its decision.
That court said no.
"We now hold that the answer to the Supreme Court's question is no; the adjudicatory bodies that considered this case did not act with religious animus when they ruled that the florist and her corporation violated the Washington Law Against Discrimination ... by declining to sell wedding flowers to a gay couple," the Washington Supreme Court's ruling said, "and they did not act with religious animus when they ruled that such discrimination is not privileged or excused by the United States Constitution or the Washington Constitution."

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 06:31 PM

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1 It's a Tax!

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at June 17, 2019 06:32 PM (qyqhr)

2 First?

Posted by: Thanatopsis at June 17, 2019 06:33 PM (Rny8K)

3 Watch them punt again anyway.

Posted by: Bete at June 17, 2019 06:33 PM (Gu/HL)

4 Judges are cowards.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Lktpy)

5 "I intend to rehabilitate the bakers." Oregon Bureaucrat

Yeah, no animus there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Ou6XS)

6 >>Watch them punt again anyway.

Pooch Kick.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (qyqhr)

7 I wonder how many times this garbage is going to have to go to SCOTUS before they smack down the lower courts?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (JUOKG)

8 Dammit! Read the content first.

Posted by: Thanatopsis at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Rny8K)

9 You got your emanations in my penumbras.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (t6MX/)

10 *sigh* I'm so very, very tired of all of this.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (pgXNG)

11 RGB was there for the arguments, right?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Ou6XS)

12
In the Age of Trump, Evangelicals Deserve Persecution

Posted by: Editorial Board of The Bulwark at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (AzW6q)

13
I had to call the corgis because you cutthroat firstists were running over your own grandmothers to get here.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2019 06:35 PM (Wx/+I)

14 Let me at 'em! - Judge Hummahawaiiwackamoley

Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2019 06:35 PM (gmo/4)

15 Something something wind chimes something something. Finally....
*types*
*deletes*

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 17, 2019 06:35 PM (Lktpy)

16 someone should sue Subaru

Posted by: x at June 17, 2019 06:35 PM (nFwvY)

17 The U.S. Supreme Court asked the state high court to take another
look at whether it violated her religious rights by not being neutral to
her religion when making its decision.

That court said no.
"We now hold that the answer to the Supreme Court's question is no; the
adjudicatory bodies that considered this case did not act with religious
animus when they ruled that the florist and her corporation violated
the Washington Law Against Discrimination ... by declining to sell
wedding flowers to a gay couple," the Washington Supreme Court's ruling
said, "and they did not act with religious animus when they ruled that
such discrimination is not privileged or excused by the United States
Constitution or the Washington Constitution."

This sounds like a judicial bitch slap fight of biblical proportions. Someone's gettin' a can of legal whoopass opened on 'em.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 06:35 PM (T6t7i)

18 20 years ago - Marraige is for breeders, we don't want it!

10 years ago - We want the same rights as married couples! Yes, civil unions will do.

5 Years ago - We'll settle for nothing less than recognition of our marriage by the church!

Now - Bake the cake, bitch!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2019 06:35 PM (gC2IV)

19 Let the lawfare continue. Let it be written; let it be done.

Posted by: SCOTUS at June 17, 2019 06:35 PM (6eEQ+)

20 So, is "no shirt, no shoes, no service" also against the law?

Posted by: shibumi, eagerly awaiting SMOD at June 17, 2019 06:36 PM (sktRI)

21 Fucking cowards.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 06:36 PM (dUJdY)

22 I had to call the corgis because you cutthroat firstists were running over your own grandmothers to get here.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Priorities, man.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:36 PM (Ou6XS)

23 someone should sue Subaru for not making Ford Excursions

Posted by: x at June 17, 2019 06:36 PM (nFwvY)

24 13 I went and did so. You just beat me to it.

And that is my bit of living up to expectations done for the day. Back to slackibg.

Posted by: Bete at June 17, 2019 06:36 PM (Gu/HL)

25 I don't understand all these punting back and forth. Just make a decision already. You are the highest court in the land.

Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 06:37 PM (a0IVu)

26 Next time they should ask for pie. Pie is nice.

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2019 06:37 PM (qBNEP)

27 And like "Masterpiece Cake Shop" if they're still in business she's be sued a couple of more times by people who could go to the Shop Rite or any local supermarket and get their cake made.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2019 06:37 PM (ivkO2)

28 and hello all....it's been a hectic monday.

Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 06:37 PM (a0IVu)

29 "We found some animus hiding under this penumbra."

Posted by: SCOTUS, punting on 2nd down at June 17, 2019 06:37 PM (P1f+c)

30 20 If the person is gay or trans, yes.

Posted by: Bete at June 17, 2019 06:38 PM (Gu/HL)

31 I never understand why these cases aren't covered under commercial contract law.

Basically, the Flower/Bakery/etc says "I don't want to be in a contract with you, no matter what the price, please find another."

Posted by: Scott_T at June 17, 2019 06:38 PM (NmR1a)

32 RGB was there for the arguments, right?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Ou6XS)

She had on sunglasses and her jaw kept falling open.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 06:38 PM (Mouru)

33 This sounds like a judicial bitch slap fight of biblical proportions. Someone's gettin' a can of legal whoopass opened on 'em.

Sounds like a strongly worded letter or something. I biblical bitchslap would involve fire, brimstone and the evaporation of the court.

I'd be OK with that.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 17, 2019 06:38 PM (e0nNm)

34 We want, a shrubbery!

Posted by: Oregon at June 17, 2019 06:39 PM (t6MX/)

35 The phrase "hanging judge" should be reversed.

Posted by: Miklos, Solomonic at June 17, 2019 06:39 PM (QzkSJ)

36
For the 'ettes...

https://tinyurl.com/y64zpoza

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2019 06:39 PM (AzW6q)

37 An attractive couple should have heretosexual sex in a Subaru Outback, record it, and post the highlights on YouTube.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 17, 2019 06:40 PM (Lktpy)

38 And like "Masterpiece Cake Shop" if they're still in business she's be sued a couple of more times by people who could go to the Shop Rite or any local supermarket and get their cake made.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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As we all know, it has nothing to do with getting a cake. It is about *compelling* compliance with their world view.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:40 PM (Ou6XS)

39 Does it seem the Roberts SC isn't going to make any waves, just keep a even keel?

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 06:40 PM (BbGew)

40 How many times will it take in the courts? As many times as it takes to get their desired outcome. That's how many.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 17, 2019 06:40 PM (4IPux)

41 I never understand why these cases aren't covered under commercial contract law.

Basically, the Flower/Bakery/etc says "I don't want to be in a contract with you, no matter what the price, please find another."
Posted by: Scott_T at June 17, 2019 06:38 PM (NmR1a)

Ask Ollie McClung. He's whacha call, a "slippery slope."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 06:40 PM (Mouru)

42 But just think of the horrible burden this placed on the lesbian couple. They had to find another bakery to make a lesbian wedding cake. In Portland! Why doesn't anyone consider the challenge that must have posed for them? I mean, there couldn't be more than 50 or 60 bakeries in Portland that would've been happy to make their cake.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 06:41 PM (Vy4a0)

43 25 I don't understand all these punting back and forth. Just make a decision already. You are the highest court in the land.
Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 06:37 PM (a0IVu)

They're led by a pussy.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 17, 2019 06:41 PM (WaxcS)

44 30 20 If the person is gay or trans, yes.
Posted by: Bete at June 17, 2019 06:38 PM (Gu/HL)

What if said person is a Transracial Bisexual? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Rachel Dolezal at June 17, 2019 06:41 PM (tVQUs)

45 But just think of the horrible burden this placed on the lesbian couple.
----

I believe that they did claim 'emotional trauma'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:42 PM (4bd7D)

46 What if said person is a Transracial Bisexual? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Rachel Dolezal at June 17, 2019 06:41 PM (tVQUs)

With a penis for a nose.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 17, 2019 06:42 PM (Lktpy)

47 I remember in Obambi's reign-of-error, our church elder's and diaconate were terrified some lezbo couple would sue us b/c they couldn't have their wedding there. I'm shocked this hasn't happened yet. Why mess around w/florists and bakeries, just go straight for the real target.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 17, 2019 06:42 PM (ty7RM)

48 What if said person is a Transracial Bisexual? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Rachel Dolezal

That's the easy case. The hard one is a transracial bisexual who identifies as a refrigerator.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 06:43 PM (T6t7i)

49
Did cocksucker fraud gabriel malor tweet his fake conservative disapproval of this?

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 17, 2019 06:43 PM (iZLl6)

50 But just think of the horrible burden this placed on the lesbian couple. They had to find another bakery to make a lesbian wedding cake. In Portland!

Portland exiled its lesbian bars because the lesbian bars wouldn't serve trannies.

The only reason for a lesbian to stay in Portland is for SJW advocacy, not for quality of lesbian life. It sure as fuck isn't for the climate; I've been there.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 17, 2019 06:43 PM (ykYG2)

51 Forcing someone to to violate their religious beliefs, beliefs that have existed damn near universally in the West for two millennia, seems like animus on it's face.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2019 06:43 PM (yQpMk)

52 This must have been horrible for that lesbian couple. I imagine they had to interview hundreds of bakers before they found one who refused to bake their wedding cake. Must've been exhausting!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2019 06:43 PM (gC2IV)

53 It's the reason I don't like the conspiracy theory that Roberts changed his decision on Obamacare because of a threat to his children for the adoption being somehow shady. That actually gives him a sort of nobility in why he did it: protecting his family.

No that's not why he did it. He's just a pussy cowardly traitor.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 17, 2019 06:44 PM (WaxcS)

54 As we all know, it has nothing to do with getting a cake. It is about *compelling* compliance with their world view.'

Yeah, but they don't force muslims to bake cakes. Becuase islam.

Posted by: shibumi, eagerly awaiting SMOD at June 17, 2019 06:44 PM (sktRI)

55 But just think of the horrible burden this placed on the lesbian couple.
----

I believe that they did claim 'emotional trauma'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:42 PM (4bd7D)

"My taste for eating carpet completely disappeared."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 06:44 PM (Mouru)

56 SCOTUS seems to have a lot of faith that these lower courts are willing to reconsider. I'm not seeing it.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at June 17, 2019 06:44 PM (1FhAQ)

57 I'm naked under my robe.

Posted by: The Notorious RBG at June 17, 2019 06:44 PM (QzkSJ)

58 it's been a hectic monday.

Try some alliteration.

Posted by: Susanna Hoffs and Prince at June 17, 2019 06:44 PM (ykYG2)

59 51 Forcing someone to to violate their religious beliefs, beliefs that have existed damn near universally in the West for two millennia, seems like animus on it's face.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2019 06:43 PM (yQpMk)

It's only animus when it's Muslims.

Because Muslims will kill you.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (pgXNG)

60 This is why there needs to be a Constitutional amendment that say, no, really, that First Amendment, you know, that's first because it's the most important, that one, yeah, we mean it.

Oberalsdf;ldahfa (I refuse to learn that name of it) was an abomination of a decision and SCOTUS trying to play cute on the religious freedom issue is disgusting.

A Christian baker shouldn't have to bake a cake for a gay wedding. An atheist gay baker shouldn't have to bake a cake with verses from Deuteronomy on it. This is not difficult. This isn't even a particularly difficult question of Constitutional law.

But yet, but yet, but yet.

For all my yelling the other day, I do comprehend why the subset of the Horde says the things they do. I get it. I really and honestly and truly get it.

Just remember, there are those of us out there who think this is horrible as well. And some of us KOFF ME KOFF have done the work to fight back both legally and legislatively. Fat lot of good it did but still.

I TOLD ALL Y'ALL THAT DOMA HAD TO BE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BUT DID YOU LISTEN NOOOOOO

Ahem.

Am not bitter.

Am fine.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (GbPPJ)

61 They VACATED the ruling as in "this never happened, now get it right" which is more than an implied censure. They slapped the judges in the face, basically.

And it was a godawful ruling from a bunch of hard left judges.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (39g3+)

62 Gabe M used to be A Thing at AoS, as I recall....

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (DpEis)

63 7 I wonder how many times this garbage is going to have to go to SCOTUS before they smack down the lower courts?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (JUOKG)

The Supreme Court has a long history of, when they make a ruling, first sending a case back down to the lower court to "reconsider" it's opinion in light of what the Supreme Court has just held. That has been the time honored, collegial way that the system has been run.

I have argued before, and will say again, that I think Washington State made a *huge* mistake for their side when they ruled as they did. The former ruling was mildly in favor of the bakers, but it was one of the last opinions written by Justice Kennedy, who was always very pro-gay rights.

Now that they have sent the same case back, forcing the SCOTUS to hear it again, they are almost certainly going to get a much harsher ruling against their side than the would have had to live with if they'd just let it alone.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (Kpl3J)

64 I don't know the details, but I'm guessing they'd happily sell the gays flowers. I'm guessing the problem was that they wouldn't join in the celebration.

Posted by: Have I Told You Where I Like to Cram My Junk? at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (mZ/17)

65 Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Rachel Dolezal

That's the easy case. The hard one is a transracial bisexual who identifies as a refrigerator.
Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 06:43 PM (T6t

Claimed!

Posted by: sarah silvermen at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (Lktpy)

66 I expect that at some point someone will realize that no plaintiff no tort.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (yQpMk)

67 An attractive couple should have heretosexual sex in a Subaru Outback, record it, and post the highlights on YouTube.
================
Ewwwww...het-normative sex in The People's car? So. Gross.

Posted by: Titania McGrath at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (ty7RM)

68 57 I'm naked under my robe.
Posted by: The Notorious RBG at June 17, 2019 06:44 PM (QzkSJ)

------------

I didn't need to eat dinner anyway.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2019 06:46 PM (gC2IV)

69 > I believe that they did claim 'emotional trauma'.

Seriously?

There are plenty of bakeries in Portland that would've been overjoyed to make them a cake in the form of a vulva with an aborted fetus being suctioned out of it.

IMO, if you can't show any ACTUAL, TANGIBLE damages, your case should be thrown out of court automatically.

Finding another Portlandistan bakery to make the cake would have posed zero problems. Therefore, no damages. Therefore, it should never have been a case in the first place.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 06:46 PM (Vy4a0)

70 Just remember, there are those of us out there who think this is horrible as well.

It seems to me that government and judicial antics which antagonize the bulk of the population for the benefit of a small number does not in the end truly help that small number out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 06:46 PM (39g3+)

71

Hotly anticipated animus

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2019 06:47 PM (aKsyK)

72 alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around.

You were right. DOMA had to be a Constitutional amendment, to get consent of the governed.

Again, and I struggle to say this; you were right.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 06:47 PM (u82oZ)

73 I TOLD ALL Y'ALL THAT DOMA HAD TO BE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BUT DID YOU LISTEN NOOOOOO

Ahem.

Well, you're in the club with us who keep trying to say that undoing Birthright Citizenship has got to be a Constitutional Amendment, it won't stand any other way.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 06:47 PM (Kpl3J)

74 This is why there needs to be a Constitutional amendment that say, no, really, that First Amendment, you know

It's also Freedom of Association

The right to associate also means the right not to associate.

Posted by: Miklos, not a lawyer in your state or province at June 17, 2019 06:47 PM (QzkSJ)

75 Since these individuals are seeking out people of religious faith and hoping to solicit a denial in order to sue, that would constitute 'animus' on their part.

And the state prosecution would be part of that.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 17, 2019 06:47 PM (oVJmc)

76 I don't understand all these punting back and forth. Just make a decision already. You are the highest court in the land.
Posted by: IC
___________

Conservative" justices that are jelly fish don't want to take the heat so they find some spineless way to cut the baby in half.

So their wives won't be embarrassed at the next dinner party or they get run out of their favorite DC haunt.

Liberal justices never find coy ways to decide a case.

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (UfkIY)

77 Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (GbPPJ)

Whoa! Perhaps this will soothe your spirits.

36

For the 'ettes...

https://tinyurl.com/y64zpoza

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2019 06:39 PM (AzW6q)

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (t6MX/)

78 51
Forcing someone to to violate their religious beliefs, beliefs that have
existed damn near universally in the West for two millennia, seems like
animus on it's face.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2019 06:43 PM (yQpMk)

---You don't understand: everything that came before now is WRONG.

All of it. Welcome to Year Zero, when true Wisdom happened.

Your faith, your tradition, your beliefs are WRONG. They are HATE CRIMES.

And you will be punished for them.

Posted by: Underappreciated Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (cfSRQ)

79 My kids even think it's a bullshit. I asked my daughter one time what she would do. She said mom, I would just go somewhere else.

AtC..you're a treasure.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (dUJdY)

80 Hey Lesbos show some real balls, ask a middleeastern bakery owned by muslims to bake your cake. Love to see a court ruling on that.

Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (gmo/4)

81 Think I'll head over to a Muslim bakery and get my order in....

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (H4VdJ)

82 71

Hotly anticipated animus
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2019 06:47 PM (aKsyK)

Great porn star.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at June 17, 2019 06:49 PM (1FhAQ)

83 I expect that at some point someone will realize that no plaintiff no tort.

-

Torts? I thought it was cake?

Posted by: Have I Told You Where I Like to Cram My Junk? at June 17, 2019 06:49 PM (mZ/17)

84 > I don't know the details, but I'm guessing they'd happily sell the gays flowers.

I think the issue here isn't with selling flowers or a cake, per se. Probably both businesses would have happily sold them a generic bouquet or a generic cake.

The issue is with forcing someone else to write "Happy Lesbian Marriage" on a special cake. At that point, you're forcing an artist to make art they don't want to make, which is, to be blunt, slavery.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 06:49 PM (Vy4a0)

85 alex, why you yell so??? You stamp tiny foot, we all has sadz..... I will make puja to you...

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 06:49 PM (DpEis)

86 I spit my drink reading Alexis rant, dammit woman. That was Valu-Rite.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 17, 2019 06:49 PM (4IPux)

87 Hotly anticipated animus

I'm putting that on my MasterCard.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2019 06:49 PM (yQpMk)

88 Because Muslims will kill you.

Yep.

In psychology, it's called displacement. Your boss yells at you so you kick your dog.

Muslims scare the left so the harass conservatives.

Posted by: shibumi, eagerly awaiting SMOD at June 17, 2019 06:50 PM (sktRI)

89 Yeah, there's no animus against religion when the state tells a person that they can't operate their business in accordance with their religious beliefs, and if they do their business will be bankrupted.

It's just tough love. Tough homosexual love. Right up the rear. No animus there. None at all.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 17, 2019 06:50 PM (k4dH2)

90
I wonder how many times this garbage is going to have to go to SCOTUS before they smack down the lower courts?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (JUOKG)

This is SCOTUS begging and pleading with yet another blue state supreme court to please, please, pretty pretty please with sugar on top change your mind. Because you're making us look bad.

Washington's court said No. When Oregon's court says No, Roberts will side with Sotomayor, Kagan, RBG, and Breyer and make up some bullshit along the lines of "Well, they have their reasons". Roberts will even get to write the opinion.

The kicker will be when Gorsuch joins in - because rules are rules. This is all to save face. The Supreme Court only has power as long as everyone else agrees to obey.

Play by the rules - and keep getting beat by those who don't.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 06:50 PM (iMj43)

91 I wonder how many times this garbage is going to have to go to SCOTUS before they smack down the lower courts?

There is something important to consider here, which the SCOTUS did and decided they didn't really want to deal with today.

The core of this case is about freedom of association, whether you can be compelled to do or be with folks you'd rather not. Now under the US Constitution and the American founding principles, this is a sacred liberty, it is one of those basic things which they believed was necessary for freedom and had very violently experienced the opposite of for centuries under tyrant kings.

Compelling someone to do something for you is enslavement at some level and repellent to the writers of the constitution (well most of them, the good ones at least). Violating someone's conscience (religious faith) is even worse.

But the problem the court rules is that if the bakery is free to reject business to certain folks, to not make a certain kind of cake in creative bakery, then that kind of opens up a can of worms they reaaaally don't want to touch.

Think about it: is it constitutional to tell a business that they cannot legally deny service to someone they don't like? What sort of other possible instances of law in this field might that impact?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 06:50 PM (39g3+)

92 Is is hot in here, or is that just me?

Posted by: MUMRBG at June 17, 2019 06:50 PM (QzkSJ)

93 But yet, but yet, but yet.

For all my yelling the other day, I do comprehend why the subset of
the Horde says the things they do. I get it. I really and honestly and
truly get it.

Just remember, there are those of us out there who think this is
horrible as well. And some of us KOFF ME KOFF have done the work to
fight back both legally and legislatively. Fat lot of good it did but
still.

At the risk of sounding obtuse, I'm not clear on what you're saying.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 06:50 PM (T6t7i)

94 If, as I do as a Washington State resident, you assume that all Washington State politicians and judges are the most insane leftist fuckheads who have ever lived, you will never be wrong.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 17, 2019 06:50 PM (NoKAc)

95 I say a picture of an Aussie spider eating a possum on daily mail. The thing of nightmares.

Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2019 06:50 PM (gmo/4)

96 Such a brave couple..when they go to a halal shop and sue them for not making a BLT, let me know how it goes.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 17, 2019 06:51 PM (e0nNm)

97 After the handicap act happened, there is a guy who went around suing every business he could find that didn't have a wheelchair ramp.
He is a multimillionaire now.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 17, 2019 06:51 PM (w7KSn)

98 *flamethrows Yudhishthira's Dice*

And, yes, going after people to violate their religious beliefs should be per se animus but here in the Eternal Now (which weirdly seems to still contain my previously run up debt Worst Eternal Now Ever) that is all hand wave hand wave hand wave.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 06:51 PM (GbPPJ)

99 I thought the Constitution entitled each person their own personal slave cake maker.

Even a part time slave cake maker infringes on one's right to a slave cake maker.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 17, 2019 06:51 PM (1g7ch)

100 And alex... we all love you, you know.... you make comment, you get 50 responses.... I make comment, just get poo flung back....

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 06:51 PM (DpEis)

101 Finding another Portlandistan bakery to make the
cake would have posed zero problems. Therefore, no damages. Therefore,
it should never have been a case in the first place.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 06:46 PM (Vy4a0)

---
No, you're missing the point. Legally, these people MUST BE SERVED. You don't get to take a pass, you must provide the service.

When it became a civil right, it superseded everything else. Religion, speech - none of that matters now.

The real tragedy is that by refusing to make a ruling, the hapless defendants are being bled white by court costs.

Posted by: Underappreciated Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 17, 2019 06:51 PM (cfSRQ)

102 Underappreciated Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books!

More weight. From The Crucible.

We need a playwright like that again to do this arc justice

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (u82oZ)

103 Let the trannies take care of the Lesbians

Posted by: Regular joe at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (6/uwW)

104 Hey Lesbos show some real balls, ask a middleeastern bakery owned by muslims to bake your cake

Animus hummus

Posted by: Miklos, time for dinner at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (QzkSJ)

105 I think the issue here isn't with selling flowers or a cake, per se. Probably both businesses would have happily sold them a generic bouquet or a generic cake.

Correct, they don't care who you are or what you do in your own time, they just won't endorse it with their creativity.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (39g3+)

106 The SCOTUS needs to be re-named the SCROTUM.

They suck donkey balls. All they had to do was come out and tell the sodomites to go bake their own GD cake.

Sodomites gotta sodom.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (Z+IKu)

107 For the 'ettes...

https://tinyurl.com/y64zpoza
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2019 06:39 PM

Ace, Yudhishthira's Dice is being mean to the 'ettes!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (/+bwe)

108 Leftists don't " go somewhere else " you will be made to care and conform.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (BbGew)

109 middleeastern bakery owned by muslims to bake your cake"

They're ok, cause they're brown people.

Or something.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (6qErC)

110 11 RGB was there for the arguments, right?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Ou6XS)
_______

They have a special team of mediums with ouija boards working throughout the hearings. Only the fastest plancheteers are employed.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (VaN/j)

111 70 Just remember, there are those of us out there who think this is horrible as well.

It seems to me that government and judicial antics which antagonize the bulk of the population for the benefit of a small number does not in the end truly help that small number out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 06:46 PM (39g3+)

It's not supposed to.

It's supposed to make you say "Yes, ALL [group x]."

That way the few stragglers who AREN'T raging Communists feel intimidated and abandoned and like they have no choice but to run to the Demoncrat Plantation.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 17, 2019 06:52 PM (pgXNG)

112 Texa Gov. Greg Abbott Signs Bill To Stop Infanticide, Care for Babies Born Alive After Abortion.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (RBOtF)

113 WA state SC justices are leftie tools that bake in their Seattle leftie worship status. Historical comparison: think Benito Mussolini, and that gets you close.

Remember, Seattle lefties have a crapton of money, and can throw the best parties.

WA SC justices are elected, and the leftie news stations and the leftie newspapers slobber over their alleged superior knowledge.

I have had to delete the last 3 sentences I typed, so I guess I'm done on the subject of these weaselly humans that give weasels a bad name.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (sy5kK)

114
I don't understand all these punting back and forth. Just make a decision already. You are the highest court in the land.

And the Constitution says that we have the inalienable right to associate with whomever we please.

But Billable Hours are what it's all about. That's far more important than any alleged "right" in an alleged "Constitution." Or any alleged "freedom."
The last thing any lawyer wants is a clear cut decision. How will their kids get that new Mercedes for their birthday every year?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (HaL55)

115 After the handicap act happened, there is a guy who went around suing every business he could find that didn't have a wheelchair ramp.

Yeah eventually the courts got wise to him but that was a perfect example of what is wrong with that kind of legislation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (39g3+)

116 Rachel Dolezol has had more cake inside her then mixer number #9 at the Little Debbie central processing plant.

Posted by: Max Power at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (q177U)

117 90
I wonder how many times this garbage is going to have to go to SCOTUS before they smack down the lower courts?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (JUOKG)

This is SCOTUS begging and pleading with yet another blue state supreme court to please, please, pretty pretty please with sugar on top change your mind. Because you're making us look bad.

Washington's court said No. When Oregon's court says No, Roberts will side with Sotomayor, Kagan, RBG, and Breyer and make up some bullshit along the lines of "Well, they have their reasons". Roberts will even get to write the opinion.

The kicker will be when Gorsuch joins in - because rules are rules. This is all to save face. The Supreme Court only has power as long as everyone else agrees to obey.

Play by the rules - and keep getting beat by those who don't.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 06:50 PM (iMj43)

I'll join too!

Posted by: teh honorable kav at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (Lktpy)

118 Think about it: is it constitutional to tell a
business that they cannot legally deny service to someone they don't
like? What sort of other possible instances of law in this field might
that impact?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Yup, that's the whole ball of wax.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (T6t7i)

119 being bled white"

That's rayciss.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (6qErC)

120 and hello all....it's been a hectic monday.
Posted by: IC

Hiya IC !

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (Y9Ocz)

121 But the problem the court rules is that if the bakery is free to reject business to certain folks, to not make a certain kind of cake in creative bakery, then that kind of opens up a can of worms they reaaaally don't want to touch.

This case is the demon spawn of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forever established the principle that the federal government has the power to tell a private business owner who it must do business with.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (Mouru)

122 108 That's my reason also why a divorce wouldn't work splitting the country up. It would have to be total non interaction.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (BbGew)

123 >>I say a picture of an Aussie spider eating a possum on daily mail. The thing of nightmares.

I was with an Australian associate last week. He showed me a picture of one his "mates" with his pet huntsman spider.

The thing is the size of my hand and he lets it crawl around the house, no cage.

Friggin savages.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (PxX58)

124 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (sy5kK)

Truth.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (t6MX/)

125 you will be made to care and conform."

You will want to care and confirm.

See the difference?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (6qErC)

126 I don't know the details, but I'm guessing they'd happily sell the gays flowers.
_____________

Yes, they offered to sell them whatever flowers they wanted. They just weren't willing to create the arrangements for a homosexual wedding.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (k4dH2)

127 This gay shit is really fucking things up.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2019 06:55 PM (v0R5T)

128 >>> RGB was there for the arguments, right?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Ou6XS)

She'll be there in spirit...literally.

Posted by: Max Power at June 17, 2019 06:55 PM (q177U)

129

Here's the Capt Kirk thing I was talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHXVJVqkHWE

I hate the Left. And wish they were all dead.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 17, 2019 06:55 PM (iZLl6)

130 Barely can stay awake, getting up and moving around would help I guess.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 06:56 PM (BbGew)

131 I love how liberals get clear unambiguous victories and
conservatives get ridiculously narrowly tailored decisions that will
require them to go through the gauntlet again.

This ruling is nonsense.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at June 17, 2019 06:56 PM (LyUr3)

132 Please SCOTUS. put an end this nonsense.

Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2019 06:56 PM (XAYDB)

133

Posted by: Mohamed Morsi at June 17, 2019 06:56 PM (Bjx2X)

134 How do these type suits comport with "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life."

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2019 06:56 PM (yQpMk)

135 This case is the demon spawn of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forever established the principle that the federal government has the power to tell a private business owner who it must do business with.

And even Justice Thomas trembles at the thought of undoing that even a little.

I don't like businesses turning people away for idiotic, arbitrary reasons like "We don't serve your kind here" but damn it that's one of the ugly prices of liberty.

The alternative is exactly what we're seeing here, where one group after another is unpersoned in the name of progressivism. What is acceptable today won't be tomorrow because once the left wins a victory that just means they have to find another offense to fight against, even if they were perfectly fine with it a week ago.

Without any absolutes, this is what you get.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 06:56 PM (39g3+)

136 This case is the demon spawn of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forever established the principle that the federal government has the power to tell a private business owner who it must do business with.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (Mouru)

Absolutely correct. Completely overriding the 14th Amendment with it's overreach and foolishness which we are still paying for today.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2019 06:56 PM (Z+IKu)

137 Looks like more 'Nole fans than Michigan fans at the CWS today.

Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (XAYDB)

138 I have animus!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (6TInh)

139 Remember that The Also Fiercely Heterosexual Former Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy's decision in Colorado was a punt, though: his vote tipped the court against the Colorado persecution, but only on the narrow grounds that it had been mounted with "animus" against the religious.

This case has nothing to do with religion. Homosexuality is a perversion no matter how you look at it. An individual or the business he owns has the right to refuse to take part in any celebration of perversion without having to cite any sort of religious justification. We're friggin rational beings, FFS.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (weya0)

140
Hiya IC !

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (Y9Ocz)

Hi ya back to you!

Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (a0IVu)

141 31 I never understand why these cases aren't covered under commercial contract law.

Basically, the Flower/Bakery/etc says "I don't want to be in a contract with you, no matter what the price, please find another."
Posted by: Scott_T at June 17, 2019 06:38 PM (NmR1a)

Because the right to be a gay freak in public and smearing those who disagree, is in all the Amendments to the Constitution. Every one of them. And in the state Constitutions of all 57 states, too.

Posted by: Eric Holder, Barry's wing man at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (sy5kK)

142 I love how liberals get clear unambiguous victories and
conservatives get ridiculously narrowly tailored decisions that will
require them to go through the gauntlet again.

This ruling is nonsense.
Posted by: Radical Centrist at June 17, 2019 06:56 PM (LyUr3)

You're Welcome.

Posted by: Fiercely Heterosexual Justice Anthony Kennedy at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (tVQUs)

143 127 This gay shit is really fucking things up.
Posted by: wth at June 17, 2019 06:55 PM (v0R5T)

Word!

Posted by: Tulsi 2020! at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (Lktpy)

144 What sort of other possible instances of law in this field might that impact?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Heart of Atlanta Motel should apply to Facebook and Twitter, non?

Posted by: Miklos, seems logical at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (QzkSJ)

145 The left chose to use attack us using the courts decades ago. It was a slow and methodical process.

Now we finally have the judges and the will to fight back. This is what fighting back in the courts looks like.

If you want drama and fast turnaround then you'll be disappointed but if you want lasting results and solid precedents then you'll be very happy. Be happy.

Posted by: GalosGann at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (z6Rh+)

146 I do wish the Constitution had Explicitly guaranteed the Freedom of Association...

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 06:57 PM (DpEis)

147 RGB was there for the arguments, right?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Ou6XS)
..........

They brought the rutabaga in a little clay pot.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (v0R5T)

148 I hate the Left. And wish they were all dead.

Would that they had but one neck.

Posted by: Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (yQpMk)

149 138
I have animus!

Posted by: Weasel

A little hydrogen peroxide will clear that right up.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (T6t7i)

150 In the previous thread, I can't believe nobody mentioned Dutch teeth !

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (Y9Ocz)

151 Yet they will argue a company like Facebook or Twitter is privately held and can discriminate against whoever they want.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (BbGew)

152 > After the handicap act happened, there is a guy who went around suing every business he could find that didn't have a wheelchair ramp.

Supposedly there was a lawyer who was shaking down Vietnamese nail salons in LA. The (vaguely worded) law can be interpreted as saying you can't reuse bottles of nail polish. What they were doing was pouring enough polish for the job onto a disposable tray and using a disposable brush, saving the unused polish in the bottle for later use (thus in compliance with the spirit of the law, which was to not pass nail fungus and shit around).

He'd send shills in to bust them for doing this and then file a claim of some sort (I forget... might've been some kind of bounty deal, but somehow he was getting money out of it).

This continued until a few Vietnamese gangbangers visited the Esteemed Counselor and emphasized their displeasure with his behavior. Strongly.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (Vy4a0)

153 This case is the demon spawn of the Civil Rights Act
of 1964, which forever established the principle that the federal
government has the power to tell a private business owner who it must do
business with.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (Mouru)

Yes. And also the notion of Incorporation - that the Federal Government must guarantee the Bill of Rights. That wasn't how this was supposed to go. The Bill of Rights was a check on Federal power, not State power.

Without Incorporation, nobody outside of Oregon and Washington need care about this. The Anti-Federalists would like to take this moment to tell you all I Told You So.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (iMj43)

154 So did the lower court actually make a factual finding of "no animus" or did the Washington Supreme Court just make dig that out of some dark penumbra floating through the nether regions of the Tri-Cities?
Or did the Court conclude there was no animus and further conclude that caprice is not actionable?

Posted by: Random Oberlin Administrator at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (hKi6n)

155 AtC..you're a treasure.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (dUJdY)

Awww thank you.

So I got put in Twitter time out because someone reported me for replying to them "you vile cunt" (a position which I continue to state is true) and I haz the sadz not only because I'm a Twitter whore but also because I've said why worse things to people and not gotten timed out

Amusingly, I appealed on the grounds that what I said wa srude, and intentionally so, but not harassment, or advocating violence, or attacking based on protected clas and then got back this reply:

"Our support team has determined that a violation did take place, and therefore we will not overturn our decision. You will not be able to access Twitter through your account due to violations of the Twitter Rules, specifically our rules around:"

I did not forget to type the actual infraction. It's blank. There is no citing what I actually did.

My dudes. At least admit that you don't want people calling other people cunts. That's fine, that's a nice bright line rule. Hell, ace doesn't want us doing that. But leaving it blank? My dudes, c'mon.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (GbPPJ)

156 Would a gay couple go into a rooftop halah bakery and demand a gay cake?

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (0bRr/)

157 >>>This case is the demon spawn of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forever established the principle that the federal government has the power to tell a private business owner who it must do business with.

Did it say who one must enter into a contract with?

/I am assuming this cake was not off the shelf cash on the barrel head type retail transaction.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 17, 2019 06:59 PM (1g7ch)

158 It's a no brainer. What the leftizoilds don't get is that they weren't denied service for say, cookies or cakes for a birthday party etc. They drew the line at the wedding cake as they feel it's taking part in the ceremony. It wasn't like they walked in for some scones and were told to GTFO because they're ghey.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2019 06:59 PM (H4VdJ)

159 Rachel Doughzeal.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2019 06:59 PM (H4VdJ)

160 This case is the demon spawn of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forever established the principle that the federal government has the power to tell a private business owner who it must do business with.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (Mouru)

Yep. A totally un-Constitutional and offensive law.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 06:59 PM (weya0)

161 OT - so my boss is convinced no one would vote for Trump next year (he was saying this to a San Fran lawyer). And then I read folks have already started getting in line for Trump's rally tomorrow...40 hours earlier. Hmmm.

Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 06:59 PM (a0IVu)

162 Hiya IC !

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2019 06:53 PM (Y9Ocz)

Hi ya back to you!
Posted by: IC

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2019 06:59 PM (Y9Ocz)

163 133

Posted by: Mohamed Morsi at June 17, 2019 06:56 PM (Bjx2X)

Well said.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at June 17, 2019 06:59 PM (1FhAQ)

164 This continued until a few Vietnamese gangbangers
visited the Esteemed Counselor and emphasized their displeasure with his
behavior. Strongly.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

Was the name of the company Victor and Charles Esq.?

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 06:59 PM (T6t7i)

165 Posted by: Mohamed Morsi at June 17

Try the kebab.

He won't be here all week.

Posted by: Miklos, unemployed PR guy for Mo Morsi at June 17, 2019 07:00 PM (QzkSJ)

166 "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING THE FREE PRACTICE THEREOF..." I hope WSC chokes on that part quite vigorously. Jeez

Posted by: Mattski at June 17, 2019 07:00 PM (UOsvH)

167 What is truly scary is that if people see that our normal institutions won't protect them - and worse than this, won't protect them from having the government forcibly cut off their sons' peckers - well they will go eventually to someone who will.

Of course the Troo Conservatives like Pastor French will no doubt offer to take the case. If he were to win, that's a year or two reprieve. If he loses, it's "My bad. Slice away. It's the law."

And I fear that the only ones who really will do so are the Musselmen.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (VaN/j)

168 Heart of Atlanta Motel should apply to Facebook and Twitter, non?

Well, and that's the flip side. If you can compel a business to serve you no matter who you are, then they can't ban anyone on Twitter... but Chez Chic cannot refuse you service for wearing no shoes, either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (39g3+)

169 The largest redpill of the 2020 election is that I'm the only candidate who can beat Yrump, and the Dems will never let me win the nomination or sniff the VP slot.
Fucking homos!

Posted by: Tulsi 2020! at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (Lktpy)

170

Anyone else thinking of Toll House cookies?

I keep seeing the word MORSELS. Morsel. Morsel. Morsel.

The only "morsel" I know of are the chocolate morsels for baking.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (iZLl6)

171 This case has nothing to do with religion.

It has to do with homosexuality being deemed a protected class under both state and federal law. Once that foundation is established, the state can go after businesses that won't cater to gays just like it can go after businesses that won't serve racial or ethnic minorities. The Civil Rights Act of 64 let the camel's nose in the tent.

This is a great example of power ceded to the government with the best of intentions winds up being used to oppress the citizenry. Inevitably.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (Mouru)

172 I afraid the Pollo Regio near me is going to sue me for not patronizing them anymore since they got a tranny built like Butkus working the drive through.

Posted by: x at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (nFwvY)

173 And then I read folks have already started getting in line for Trump's rally tomorrow...40 hours earlier. Hmmm.

Fox says they got 100k requests for tickets. The venue holds 20k.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (T6t7i)

174 The harassment of the Right, by the Left, will never end. The country leans Left now, and has for some time.

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (DpEis)

175 My dudes. At least admit that you don't want people calling other people cunts. That's fine, that's a nice bright line rule. Hell, ace doesn't want us doing that. But leaving it blank? My dudes, c'mon.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (GbPPJ)

Eh. They did it because they can. And now you have time to rest your Twittering muscles.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (1FhAQ)

176 129 I hate the Left. And wish they were all dead.
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 17, 2019 06:55 PM (iZLl6)

Do you automatically consider somebody to be "the Left" if they belong to a demographic that overwhelmingly votes Left, even if that individual does not?

Posted by: Hikaru at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (pgXNG)

177 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING THE FREE PRACTICE THEREOF...

I honestly believe most leftist are not aware that clause is even in the first amendment. But to the extent they are, they would likely argue "that only applies to organized religious activities, not personal conscience"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (39g3+)

178 This continued until a few Vietnamese gangbangers visited the Esteemed Counselor and emphasized their displeasure with his behavior. Strongly.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

They pick on devout Christians because they won't fight back.

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (0bRr/)

179 Melissa Sweet Cakes had managed to raise $109k on GoFundMe, before that shithole place shut down their donations page.

So they went to a Christian crowdfunding site, and raised $372k in short order. But they were faced with a $135k fine, plus lawyer fees and appeal costs. And the store itself had to close.

The SC sucked monkey balls on this decision to punt, as the case in CO was substantially different. The city council members expressed open hostility to the baker's religion, whereas the WA case is about 'public accommodation'.

The WA SC decision on this is no surprise at all. And now those two ladies in WA will have to wait for the SC to eventually get around to them again. And if I had to guess, I'd say their odds of prevailing are no better than 50:50 on the next go-round.

Meanwhile, the CO baker is now facing his 3rd legal assault after the last two cases got tossed. Sigh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (Z4rgH)

180 Don't worry about RBG, they get a 3 month vacation real soon. She can bulk up a little, do some cardio, swim laps. Good as gold.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (v0R5T)

181
By "the Left," I mean Leftists.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 17, 2019 07:03 PM (iZLl6)

182
This case is the demon spawn of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forever established the principle that the federal government has the power to tell a private business owner who it must do business with.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 06:54 PM (Mouru)

But the other side of the coin is the clear and unambiguous wording of the 1st Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion; or prohibiting the Free Exercise thereof..."

If the Civil Rights Act purports to prohibit the Free Exercise of Religion, then even the Civil Rights act would clearly be Unconstitutional. Otherwise, you have to back into the position that Gillibrand was spouting off about a couple days ago, in which she held that all Public Displays of Religious Faith were Unconstitutional.

The only logical answer is for the Civil Rights laws to stand, but for a Religious Exemption to be carved out of them for anyone who has a devoutly held religious belief on the matter. That is what the clear language of the Constitution demands.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 07:03 PM (Kpl3J)

183 Anyone else thinking of Toll House cookies?

I keep seeing the word MORSELS. Morsel. Morsel. Morsel.

The only "morsel" I know of are the chocolate morsels for baking.
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (iZLl6)

I thought I saw on Insty that today's the birthday of the lady who created the chocolate chip cookie recipe.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 07:03 PM (GbPPJ)

184 And like "Masterpiece Cake Shop" if they're still in business she's be sued a couple of more times by people who could go to the Shop Rite or any local supermarket and get their cake made.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

This is a good point.

Since when do people have a constitutional right to have a commonly obtainable product sold to them by ONLY this one company?

Yes, I know, Public Accomodations law and the 14th Amendment, but that was all back in a time when NO white business would serve black folks.

This is targeting, pure and simple, by these malicious ghey mafia fuckers.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 17, 2019 07:03 PM (NoKAc)

185 This is a great example of power ceded to the government with the best of intentions winds up being used to oppress the citizenry. Inevitably.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (Mouru)

There were never any "best of intentions" to begin with.

And homos certainly should be a protected species. They can't reproduce on their own so they are always at risk of extinction.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 07:03 PM (weya0)

186 In addition to my animus, I'm getting pretty goddamn sick and tired of people in general.

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2019 07:03 PM (MVjcR)

187 Since the Dallas shooters line prescence and motive wasn't immediately broadcast, I'll assume it wasn't proTrp

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2019 07:03 PM (0bRr/)

188 80 Hey Lesbos show some real balls, ask a middleeastern bakery owned by muslims to bake your cake. Love to see a court ruling on that.
Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (gmo/4)

81 Think I'll head over to a Muslim bakery and get my order in....
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (H4VdJ)

IIRC, someone already tried to do that a year or two ago. Person went to a Muzzie baker and asked to put a controversial theme on it (bearded bombmakers face or a penis, can't remember), they refused, local suit got thrown out.

So yeah, the Leftie courts are just screwing with us, while they protect those that are politically aligned lefties like they are.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (sy5kK)

189
Was her name Mrs Tollhouse?

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (iZLl6)

190 T Gabbard/H Schultz.... a formidable ticket, that the Left is too stupid to endorse... Schultz is a Leftist Trump...

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (DpEis)

191 Fox says they got 100k requests for tickets. The venue holds 20k.

Yeah but in the polls he's losing to Biden, Warren etc.. *rolls eyes*

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (dUJdY)

192 174 kraken

Conservative people (I prefer Pragmatic) could all be dead for 100 years, and the Leftists would still be blaming them for their inevitable failures.

See Wreckers, Capitalist Roader, etc.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (u82oZ)

193 RGB was there for the arguments, right?

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When is the last time any of the leftist justices have needed to be present to know how they should rule (good word, btw).

Posted by: Have I Told You Where I Like to Cram My Junk? at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (mZ/17)

194 I'm getting pretty goddamn sick and tired of people in general.
Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2019 07:03 PM (MVjcR)

I feel ya. Most days I feel the same way.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (dUJdY)

195 The thing is freedom is usually ugly and unpleasant. 4chan is what you get with freedom unless you also have virtue, usually in the form of religion, to control our baser impulses.

If a cake shop is free to refuse to make you a two girls get "married" cake, then they're free to refuse to make you a real marriage cake as well, cishetnormal! If you can pray in public schools, Satanists can as well. That's how it works.

The only thing that lets this function is a sense of politeness and propriety -- this belongs, this does not -- which was detonated and removed from American culture starting in the 60s because it was fascist, maaaan.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (39g3+)

196
20 years ago - Marraige is for breeders, we don't want it!

10 years ago - We want the same rights as married couples! Yes, civil unions will do.

5 Years ago - We'll settle for nothing less than recognition of our marriage by the church!

Now - Bake the cake, bitch!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2019 06:35 PM (gC2IV)

5 years from now - Heterosexual marriage is evil and must be banned.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (WJy0R)

197 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
--John Adams

Because those motivated by animus against Christianity will weaponize the rules made to govern the rest of us.
The Founding Fathers never dreamed of Muslims immigrating here and setting up mosques to train anti-American jihadis in when the First Amendment was written, for instance.
If they had been given a glimpse of the American public whimpering under the jackboots of militant homosexuality and Islam, they'd think we were all a bunch of emasculated wimps, undeserving of our heritage, who deserved to see our civilization wiped out.

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (adsVM)

198 Fucking homos!

Posted by: Tulsi 2020! at June 17, 2019 07:01 PM (Lktpy)
...........

Who you callin' a Homo, Bitch?!

Posted by: Mayor Peter, Cornhole Booker, etc. at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (v0R5T)

199 37 An attractive couple should have heretosexual sex in a Subaru Outback, record it, and post the highlights on YouTube.
Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 17, 2019 06:40 PM (Lktpy)

nurse is in FL today with Insom I believe, so that movie will have to wait until Insom visits her in Seattle again.

she already has the car.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (sy5kK)

200 I honestly believe most leftist are not aware that clause is even in the first amendment. But to the extent they are, they would likely argue "that only applies to organized religious activities, not personal conscience"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (39g3+)

They may argue that, but the entire body of American Jurisprudence for the last 230 years holds that Personal Conscience and Belief is all that matters, "Organized" religion does not.

Because "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (Kpl3J)

201 step 1: vote yourself second class citizen
step 2: complain about being second class citizens
step 3: figure out step 3.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (JziUy)

202
Eh. They did it because they can. And now you have time to rest your Twittering muscles.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (1FhAQ)

It was for the best as work was all worky. And it's not like the reminder to not call people foul names is unnecessary.

*breaks out Shakespearean insult generator*

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (GbPPJ)

203 Yeah but in the polls he's losing to Biden, Warren etc.. *rolls eyes*

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (dUJdY)

Fantasy: He is losing by a landslide
Reality: Folks waiting 40 hours in line to hear him.

Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (a0IVu)

204 The only logical answer is for the Civil Rights laws
to stand, but for a Religious Exemption to be carved out of them for
anyone who has a devoutly held religious belief on the matter. That is
what the clear language of the Constitution demands.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 07:03 PM (Kpl3J)

No.

The only logical, sustainable answer is My Business, My Rules. And if I get too picky about who I'll serve, I go out of business. No man is entitled to the labor of another. Stop trying to conjure clever rules to the contrary.

Maybe I don't want to serve you because of my "religion". Maybe I just don't damn like you. My house, my rules.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (iMj43)

205 Conservative people (I prefer Pragmatic) could all be dead for 100 years, and the Leftists would still be blaming them for their inevitable failures.

-

New Orleans is a great example. Last (R) mayor was in the 1850s, and everything wrong with New Orleans is a Republican's fault.

Posted by: Have I Told You Where I Like to Cram My Junk? at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (mZ/17)

206 Jewells45

When I went to the Trump Rally in Topeka, there were 10,000 seats and 20,000 tickets. Took 3 hours for us to get inside. We were some of the last ones seated. The ones behind us watch Jumbotrons in the mist.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (u82oZ)

207 The First Amendment has a commerce clause exception, right there in the penumbra.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (Mouru)

208 When is the last time any of the leftist justices have needed to be present to know how they should rule (good word, btw).
Posted by: Have I Told You Where

WHAT????

Posted by: William O. Douglas at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (QzkSJ)

209 155 AtC..you're a treasure.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 06:48 PM (dUJdY)

Awww thank you.

So I got put in Twitter time out because someone reported me for replying to them "you vile cunt" (a position which I continue to state is true) and I haz the sadz not only because I'm a Twitter whore but also because I've said why worse things to people and not gotten timed out

Amusingly, I appealed on the grounds that what I said wa srude, and intentionally so, but not harassment, or advocating violence, or attacking based on protected clas and then got back this reply:

"Our support team has determined that a violation did take place, and therefore we will not overturn our decision. You will not be able to access Twitter through your account due to violations of the Twitter Rules, specifically our rules around:"

I did not forget to type the actual infraction. It's blank. There is no citing what I actually did.

My dudes. At least admit that you don't want people calling other people cunts. That's fine, that's a nice bright line rule. Hell, ace doesn't want us doing that. But leaving it blank? My dudes, c'mon.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 06:58 PM (GbPPJ)

You should have claimed you lived in England for 6 years of your teens and 20s.

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (WaxcS)

210 They may argue that, but the entire body of American Jurisprudence for the last 230 years holds that Personal Conscience and Belief is all that matters, "Organized" religion does not.

Barely an inconvenience.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (yQpMk)

211 5 years from now - Heterosexual marriage is evil and must be banned.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (WJy0R)

Well, at some point the shooting has to start. That's why we're stockpiling the ammo.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (Kpl3J)

212 nurse is in FL today with Insom I believe, so that movie will have to wait until Insom visits her in Seattle again.

she already has the car.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (sy5kK)

They can steal one, armed with an carcked-up alligator, or something. It IS Florida.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (t6MX/)

213 OK I don't understand what just happened in this case.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (FiUMj)

214 Washington State Supreme Court is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic party.
Flower lady is lucky AG Ferguson didnt go for the death penalty.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (LGo6U)

215 202

It was for the best as work was all worky. And it's not like the reminder to not call people foul names is unnecessary.

*breaks out Shakespearean insult generator*
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (GbPPJ)

I offer the word " catamite".... just construct the sentence around it....

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (DpEis)

216 nurse is in FL today with Insom I believe, so that movie will have to wait until Insom visits her in Seattle again.

she already has the car.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (sy5kK)

Ohhh..that's right. I hope we don't read about *florida couple* in the news.

Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (a0IVu)

217 Florists and bakers usually set up the items at the hall too; it's not just either dropping it off or preparing it for pickup.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2019 07:08 PM (Dh1wo)

218 I'm thinking Cookies and Cream ice cream

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 07:08 PM (BbGew)

219 191 Fox says they got 100k requests for tickets. The venue holds 20k.

Yeah but in the polls he's losing to Biden, Warren etc.. *rolls eyes*
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (dUJdY)

The part where it falls apart is that they say he's losing to CORY BOOKER.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 17, 2019 07:08 PM (pgXNG)

220 176 129 I hate the Left. And wish they were all dead.
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 17, 2019 06:55 PM (iZLl6)

Do you automatically consider somebody to be "the Left" if they belong to a demographic that overwhelmingly votes Left, even if that individual does not?
Posted by: Hikaru at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (pgXNG)

Are you really that stupid?

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2019 07:08 PM (WaxcS)

221 If I win the nomination or get picked as VP to run in the general election, I'll finger bang and 69 with Kristi Noem live on Twitch.

Posted by: Tulsi 2020! at June 17, 2019 07:08 PM (Lktpy)

222 I was with an Australian associate last week. He showed me a picture of one his "mates" with his pet huntsman spider.

The thing is the size of my hand and he lets it crawl around the house, no cage.
Posted by: JackStraw

I refuse to live anywhere where I need a tame giant guard spider, to eat all the other poisonous critters that might crawl into my house.

Minnesota winters keep the vermin down to one year of growth before they all freeze to death.

Posted by: mikeski at June 17, 2019 07:08 PM (P1f+c)

223 75 Since these individuals are seeking out people of religious faith and hoping to solicit a denial in order to sue, that would constitute 'animus' on their part.

And the state prosecution would be part of that.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 17, 2019 06:47 PM (oVJmc)

not in our state.

unless it was a cake with a man humping a horse.

Posted by: Wash State Supreme Court at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (sy5kK)

224 This is why I call the Roberts Court, the Yo-Yo Sinecure Court. They rule on very narrow constructs of law, only to have the case come back again and again.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (VkWRL)

225 216 nurse is in FL today with Insom I believe, so that movie will have to wait until Insom visits her in Seattle again.

she already has the car.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 07:05 PM (sy5kK)

Ohhh..that's right. I hope we don't read about *florida couple* in the news.
Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (a0IVu)

I tells ya, it was just WEIRD!

Posted by: The poor alligator at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (1FhAQ)

226 Florists and bakers have to serve everyone. But YouTube and facebook can ban anyone they want.

Sounds legit.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (FiUMj)

227 OT - so my boss is convinced no one would vote for Trump next year (he was saying this to a San Fran lawyer). And then I read folks have already started getting in line for Trump's rally tomorrow...40 hours earlier. Hmmm.
Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 06:59 PM (a0IVu)
*************
You should have said, "That's not true, I will."

Posted by: redridinghood at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (RBOtF)

228 I offer the word " catamite".... just construct the sentence around it....
Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (DpEis)

Oh I've used catamite before and I meant it in the true definition of the word.

I'm assuming that didn't get reported because the person was too dumb to know just what it was I said.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (GbPPJ)

229 Reality: Folks waiting 40 hours in line to hear him.

Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (a0IVu)
...........

That doesn't necessarily mean they will go to the polls to actually vote for him.

Posted by: Donna Brazile at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (v0R5T)

230 aaaaaaand Wolverines get a one-out solo home run.

Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (XAYDB)

231 Just heard my mother-in-law is dying. Prayers, please.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (VaN/j)

232 @tomfitton: "senior State Obama officials - Victoria Nuland and Jonathan Winer - coordinated with Steny Hoyer's national security advisor, Daniel Silverberg, to work on Russia dossier information provided by Christopher Steele."

Fitton will be on Lou Dobbs shortly...

Posted by: Tami at June 17, 2019 07:10 PM (cF8AT)

233 "A nation of non-objective law ... if you can keep it."

Posted by: ShainS -- Quarter-Wit aspiring to be Half-Wit at June 17, 2019 07:10 PM (WnJWI)

234 I was with an Australian associate last week. He showed me a picture of one his "mates" with his pet huntsman spider.

The thing is the size of my hand and he lets it crawl around the house, no cage.

Posted by: JackStraw

Smart. Putting them in cages only pisses them off.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 07:10 PM (weya0)

235 215 202

It was for the best as work was all worky. And it's not like the reminder to not call people foul names is unnecessary.

*breaks out Shakespearean insult generator*
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 07:06 PM (GbPPJ)

I offer the word " catamite".... just construct the sentence around it....
Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (DpEis)

There's a comedian that had a bit about using Shakespearian insult.

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2019 07:10 PM (WaxcS)

236 52 This must have been horrible for that lesbian couple. I imagine they had to interview hundreds of bakers before they found one who refused to bake their wedding cake. Must've been exhausting!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2019 06:43 PM (gC2IV)

Back around the time this happened, the printing shop where I work was visited by a lesbian couple seeking to get wedding invitations printed. (One of them was quite attractive, but I digress.)

The owner, me, and the two pressmen were all hetero guys who were not terribly enthusiastic about the subject, but not cheesed off about it either. Sure we would have done it. We're not in the business of turning away customers.

At the time, we also had a female employee who was straight and married, but had a gay cousin who she loved, was a huge Lady Gaga fan, and supported All The Ghey Issues. So that was a match made in heaven.

The women came in, picked out their selection, and we gave them a price quote.

We never heard from them again. Yes, they were looking for trouble and someone to sue.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2019 07:10 PM (sdi6R)

237 Are you really that stupid?

Posted by: buzzion

**Throws flag for unnecessary roughness**

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 07:10 PM (T6t7i)

238 191 Fox says they got 100k requests for tickets. The venue holds 20k.

Yeah but in the polls he's losing to Biden, Warren etc.. *rolls eyes*
_______________

The 2020 polls will be worse than the 2016 polls were. They'll all have Trump losing to every Dim, right up until the polls close. Gotta try to depress Republican turn-out. "There's no path to victory for Trump!" "He's 50 points behind ___________ (whoever)!" "There's no point in voting, you deplorable Rethuglicans!!!"

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 17, 2019 07:10 PM (k4dH2)

239 Maybe I don't want to serve you because of my "religion". Maybe I just don't damn like you. My house, my rules.

I agree. I think its awful and hateful for someone to refuse service to a black person because they're black, but its your money, your business, and your property to be stupid, ugly, and hateful in. I suspect such a business wouldn't last long.

But here's where it gets unpleasant to consider. How should society respond to a person who does that? Boycott them? Protest? Stop selling supplies to them? Refuse them participation in your business organization? Reject their advertising in your newspaper?

OK, those are all fine. Its part of society correcting its self and following the rules of polite behavior. We're arguing government cannot and should not violate the constitution by passing laws compelling someone to serve everyone no matter what they think or feel.

But that's what the left is trying to do to anyone who disagrees with them. That's why Twitter bans people, that's why Chik Fil-A is being thrown out of Airports, that's why Chase is shutting down bank accounts of conservatives they don't like.

And the "conservative" voice these days seems to be "THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW!!!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:10 PM (39g3+)

240 The only logical, sustainable answer is My Business, My Rules. And if I get too picky about who I'll serve, I go out of business. No man is entitled to the labor of another. Stop trying to conjure clever rules to the contrary.

Maybe I don't want to serve you because of my "religion". Maybe I just don't damn like you. My house, my rules."

In a perfect world, yes, but then you bring back the NO BLACKS ALLOWED signs, or NO JEWS ALLOWED, and I really think everyone would like those days to stay behind us.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 07:11 PM (Kpl3J)

241 Very sorry, Eeyore.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 07:11 PM (Vy4a0)

242 Fox says they got 100k requests for tickets. The venue holds 20k.

Oh yeah. People will just love standing outside in the Florida heat during a violent thunderstorm.

I got a ticket but since I'm not guaranteed a seat inside, I can't go. Can't stand up for hours at a time because 29 years old. Plus, lighting. It. Will. Rain. Count on it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 17, 2019 07:11 PM (HaL55)

243 Catamite gained notoriety after the song "Down Under" broke into the charts and began experiencing heavy airplay.

Posted by: Have I Told You Where I Like to Cram My Junk? at June 17, 2019 07:11 PM (mZ/17)

244 230 aaaaaaand Wolverines get a one-out solo home run.
Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (XAYDB)

Well butter my biscuit if those faggits win it all.

Posted by: Tulsi 2020! at June 17, 2019 07:11 PM (Lktpy)

245 Remember when everyone was saying " I don't care if gays get "married" "?

Well guess what?

Now you have to care.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 17, 2019 07:11 PM (LL1Be)

246 131, That's because the left openly uses courts as rubber stamps for legislation they can never pass. Their legal reasoning is often obviously fake, even to them, because they rely on it never being challenged by the fake conservatives who are in on the grift. They built everything on this arrangement.

And now, miracle of miracles, real conservatives are in a position to challenge all of it by taking their flimsy precedents apart piece by piece.

But it's slower for us because, unlike the left, we have to do it for real and we have to do it right, if we want it to matter.

Posted by: GalosGann at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (z6Rh+)

247 Eeyore- Will do

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (BbGew)

248 99 I thought the Constitution entitled each person their own personal slave cake maker.
-----------------

not exactly, it says "three-fifths" of a personal slave cake maker.

just like flower arrangers.

Posted by: Wash State Supreme Court at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (sy5kK)

249 An attractive couple should have heretosexual sex in a Subaru Outback, record it, and post the highlights on YouTube.
Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 17, 2019 06:40 PM

Love, it's what makes a Subaru a Subaru. I want to punch the faggy voiced guy on the commercials. Too bad their cars are so fucking woke and ugly. They are made pretty well.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (H4VdJ)

250 Keep in mind that WA state passed a law first that gave gay couples (and older folks on SS) a civil "marriage" that had exactly the same legal rights as a regular marriage. It fixed the issues with medical treatment and inheritance. Two years later, they insisted on passing a bill to make "gay" marriage legal.

If you read what the tranny has been demanding of Masterpiece Cakes, it's outrageous. No bakery should be forced to make a cake with Satan sucking on a dildo. I'm sorry, those folks can do their own damn decorations. It is harassment, pure and simple. And the WA state court judges are not the brightest on the block.

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (JKNZq)

251 nurse is in FL today with Insom I believe, so that movie will have to wait until Insom visits her in Seattle again. she already has the car.

The joke's on us. The video's only going to be of a bouncing parked car with windows all steamed up

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (ykYG2)

252 Prayers, please.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (VaN/j)

Will do.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Hate-Filled Lion of the Right at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (xPJvm)

253 Eeyore - *hugs*. So sorry to hear that.

Posted by: IC at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (a0IVu)

254 I'll bet that was quite an experience NaCly.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (dUJdY)

255 IIRC, someone already tried to do that a year or two ago. Person went to a Muzzie baker and asked to put a controversial theme on it (bearded bombmakers face or a penis, can't remember), they refused, local suit got thrown out.

So yeah, the Leftie courts are just screwing with us, while they protect those that are politically aligned lefties like they are.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (sy5kK)

Steven Crowder did that a few years back, and haz video.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (Z4rgH)

256 242
Fox says they got 100k requests for tickets. The venue holds 20k.

Oh yeah. People will just love standing outside in the Florida heat during a violent thunderstorm.

**cough**Disney World**cough**

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 07:13 PM (T6t7i)

257 just like flower arrangers.
Posted by: Wash State Supreme Court

And pizza!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:13 PM (39g3+)

258 Prayers up, Eeyore

Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2019 07:13 PM (XAYDB)

259 Prayers, Eeyore.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at June 17, 2019 07:13 PM (1FhAQ)

260 In a perfect world, yes, but then you bring back the NO BLACKS ALLOWED
signs, or NO JEWS ALLOWED, and I really think everyone would like those
days to stay behind us.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Those signs are in bars all over down here. What do they mean?

Legal confusion = billable hours. This will get a lot worse.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 17, 2019 07:13 PM (HaL55)

261 Well butter my biscuit if those faggits win it all.
Posted by: Tulsi 2020! at June 17, 2019 07:11 PM (Lktpy)

--They beat some damn good teams to get here.

Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2019 07:14 PM (XAYDB)

262 The purpose of the polls is to prepare the battleground.
So that when Trump wins, the pollsters can all claim there must have been skullduggery.
Same as 2016.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 17, 2019 07:14 PM (w7KSn)

263 Posted by: Eeyore at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (VaN/j)

I'm so sorry. Prayers sent.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 07:14 PM (dUJdY)

264 226 Florists and bakers have to serve everyone. But YouTube and facebook can ban anyone they want.

Sounds legit.
__________________

Absolutely!

As I am explaining in my new article: "The Conservative Case for Using Government to Force Christians to Violate Their Faith"

Posted by: Cap'n Billie Kristol, Ahoy! at June 17, 2019 07:14 PM (k4dH2)

265 Prayers Eeyore.

Posted by: Tami at June 17, 2019 07:14 PM (cF8AT)

266 Catamite gained notoriety after the song "Down Under" broke into the charts and began experiencing heavy airplay.

Posted by: Have I Told You Where I Like to Cram My Junk? at June 17, 2019 07:11 PM (mZ/17)

I first heard it thrown around in some Western ... I can't remember which one it was, now. Some guy called another a catamite (scottish, too, I think) and them was fighting words.

Unforgiven, maybe? I think it was before that ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 07:14 PM (weya0)

267 Love, it's what makes a Subaru a Subaru. I want to punch the faggy voiced guy on the commercials.

Is that the one with the really effeminate, lisping announcer? Who thought that was a great idea???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:14 PM (39g3+)

268
And homos certainly should be a protected species. They can't reproduce on their own so they are always at risk of extinction.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Shakers all over!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2019 07:14 PM (aKsyK)

269 Love, it's what makes a Subaru a Subaru. I want to punch the faggy voiced guy on the commercials. Too bad their cars are so fucking woke and ugly. They are made pretty well.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (H4VdJ)

____

LOL!!

Posted by: Subaru Valve Cover Gaskets at June 17, 2019 07:15 PM (FiUMj)

270 Oh yeah - The Alamo. The newer version.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 07:15 PM (weya0)

271 The purpose of the polls is to prepare the battleground. So that when Trump wins, the pollsters can all claim there must have been skullduggery.
Same as 2016.

Yes, the polls exist to provide plausibility to the Democrat ballot stuffing.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2019 07:15 PM (yQpMk)

272 In a perfect world, yes, but then you bring back the
NO BLACKS ALLOWED signs, or NO JEWS ALLOWED, and I really think
everyone would like those days to stay behind us.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 07:11 PM (Kpl3J)

NO. We are PRECISELY in this situation because of two things.

One - State Governments made a law preventing shop-owners from freely associating with those they may wish to ... Blacks and Jews.

Two - the Federal Government made it worse by reversing the policy, by force. Just as bad as the original bad policy.

We would be much better off if every could buy and sell, or not, of their own free will.

Stop trying to come up with clever rules to circumvent the worst of freedom of association. Do you believe in freedom of association ? Doesn't sound like you do.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 07:15 PM (iMj43)

273 Well, there is Correct Justice, which hangs to the Left.... and then there's Racist Injustice, which hangs to the Right.... really, people, this is not that hard.....

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:15 PM (DpEis)

274 I offer the word " catamite".... just construct the sentence around it....
Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (DpEis

-------

"France elected a piano teacher's catamite."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2019 07:15 PM (9PqE2)

275 The Republican Party was FOUNDED in the 1850s and, believe me, they weren't voting for that bunch in Nawlins back then.

Maybe you intend the Reconstruction era of the late 1860s.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 17, 2019 07:15 PM (ykYG2)

276 228 I offer the word " catamite".... just construct the sentence around it....
Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (DpEis)

Oh I've used catamite before and I meant it in the true definition of the word.

I'm assuming that didn't get reported because the person was too dumb to know just what it was I said.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 17, 2019 07:09 PM (GbPPJ)

_______

I thought catamite was the substance Heisenberg used to burn through a locked warehouse door in "Breaking Bad." Ah, that was thermite -- nevermind!

Posted by: ShainS -- Quarter-Wit aspiring to be Half-Wit at June 17, 2019 07:16 PM (WnJWI)

277 Sorry to hear that Eeyore. For all the MIL jokes that get thrown around I know some can be very dear and close to a family. God be with you and yours.

Those signs are in bars all over down here. What do they mean?

Nothing, really. Its like the "no shirts no shoes" ones, I don't know if those have even ever been challenged.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:16 PM (39g3+)

278 "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Anyone can put up a sign, but that doesn't mean they can do what the sign says. It's like those construction trucks driving down the road with a sign on the back saying "Construction vehicle, stay back 200', not responsible for damages".

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you owned the road.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 07:16 PM (T6t7i)

279 Magic 8 ball says eventually the persecution of the bakers will be upheld.

Posted by: MAGA at June 17, 2019 07:16 PM (I5LRE)

280 >>In a perfect world, yes, but then you bring back the
NO BLACKS ALLOWED signs, or NO JEWS ALLOWED, and I really think
everyone would like those days to stay behind us.

Don't forget the Irish.

No Irish!

Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2019 07:16 PM (PxX58)

281 I offer the word " catamite".... just construct the sentence around it....
Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:07 PM (DpEis

-------

"France elected a piano teacher's catamite."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2019 07:15 PM (9PqE2)

If I had a catamite have to clean a litter box.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM (Mouru)

282 Given the enormous legal fees, I would just tell the couple "sure I'll bake your cake. I wouldn't eat it if I were you. Jus sayin."

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM (gC2IV)

283 **cough**Disney World**cough**

At least there are shops and restaurants they can scurry to at the Gigantic Rat's House. Downtown here at the Arena? Not so much.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM (HaL55)

284 > Ah, that was thermite -- nevermind!

Catamite is a special formulation used with catapults.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM (Vy4a0)

285 No Irish!

That goes without saying.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM (yQpMk)

286 Ballsy new guy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM (oVJmc)

287
Prayers sent for your MIL, Eeyore

Posted by: redridinghood at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM (RBOtF)

288 280 >>In a perfect world, yes, but then you bring back the
NO BLACKS ALLOWED signs, or NO JEWS ALLOWED, and I really think
everyone would like those days to stay behind us.

Don't forget the Irish.

No Irish!
Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2019 07:16 PM (PxX5

No Girls!!! No dumb old girls!!!

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM (DpEis)

289 I think eventually the Supreme Court will rule on this stuff using a very, very clever wording and ruling that allows all the other unconstitutional laws to stand but permits religious exceptions.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:18 PM (39g3+)

290 277 Nothing, really. Its like the "no shirts no shoes" ones, I don't know if those have even ever been challenged.

interestingly, I've yet to see a "no shirts no shoes" sign that says anything whatsoever about pants.

Posted by: Anachronda at June 17, 2019 07:18 PM (sGtp+)

291 In a perfect world, yes, but then you bring back the NO BLACKS ALLOWED signs, or NO JEWS ALLOWED, and I really think everyone would like those days to stay behind us.

Meh. Central Park West was built because 5th Avenue was restricted. Jews wanted their own 5th Avenue. Not bad.

And modern investment banking was created because Jews weren't allowed to work for JP Morgan and the rest of the WASP banks.

Those weren't such bad days and they ended up producing some pretty important things.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 07:18 PM (weya0)

292 245. Jewells45

An essay I wrote on the experience was liked in one Mis Hum ONT.

Here is a link to the original: https://tinyurl.com/y6a2v3d8

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 07:18 PM (u82oZ)

293 Anyone can put up a sign, but that doesn't mean they can do what the sign says. It's like those construction trucks driving down the road with a sign on the back saying "Construction vehicle, stay back 200', not responsible for damages".

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you owned the road.
Posted by: pep at June 17, 2019 07:16 PM (T6t7i)

It's an interesting principle. I always wondered why dog owners don't hang a sign from the dog's neck that says Not Responsible For Dog Bites.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 07:19 PM (Mouru)

294

The bottom of the cake should be black and blue, just like the girl

Posted by: My pimp shot my dealer at June 17, 2019 07:19 PM (rdqB3)

295 I would have baked the cake 6" taller than the cargo area of an Outback.

no refunds.

Posted by: x at June 17, 2019 07:20 PM (nFwvY)

296 I thought catamite was the substance Heisenberg used to burn through a locked warehouse door in "Breaking Bad."

I thought it was something you put on bread.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 07:20 PM (dUJdY)

297 Punt the punters.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2019 07:20 PM (CSYCT)

298 interestingly, I've yet to see a "no shirts no shoes" sign that says anything whatsoever about pants.

That has honestly always made me wonder. Its very specific about the other parts of your clothes. I wonder if anyone has tried to go in wearing only shirts and shoes.

I'm serious, the first time I saw one of those signs as a little kid that's the first place my mind went "so no pants is okay??"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:20 PM (39g3+)

299 as someone else said ... they would sell the flowers or cake ... but they were being required to apply their "art" (their heart) to celebrating something they religiously oppose. I recall there was some legal distinction ... on the cake thing ... about that. It involves them in the process ... (and yeah, they target the most religious ... little sisters of the poor ... attacked by Barry the Shithead ... for example)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 17, 2019 07:20 PM (Cus5s)

300 interestingly, I've yet to see a "no shirts no shoes" sign that says anything whatsoever about pants.

Best sign so far down here:

"Men: no shirt, no shoes, no service.

Women: no shirt, free beer!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 17, 2019 07:21 PM (HaL55)

301 All those "End Road Work" signs, and we still do it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 07:21 PM (u82oZ)

302 I thought catamite was the substance Heisenberg used to burn through a locked warehouse door in "Breaking Bad."

I thought it was something you put on bread.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 07:20 PM (dUJdY)

Yeah, the Aussies eat that crap.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 17, 2019 07:21 PM (aS1PU)

303 296 I thought catamite was the substance Heisenberg used to burn through a locked warehouse door in "Breaking Bad."

I thought it was something you put on bread.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 17, 2019 07:20 PM (dUJdY)

" He just smiled and gve me a catamite sandwich...."

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:21 PM (DpEis)

304 Justine Trudeau is a prime catamite.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2019 07:21 PM (CSYCT)

305 > interestingly, I've yet to see a "no shirts no shoes" sign that says anything whatsoever about pants.

The late Keith Moon was once refused entry to some fancy restaurant because he was wearing jeans.

So... he took them off. He was commando, naturally.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 07:21 PM (Vy4a0)

306 No Girls!!! No dumb old girls!!!
Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM

If the stupidhead boys keep giving us 'ettes possum-eating spiders and meh Who Dis? pics, we won't bake you any cakes!!!!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 17, 2019 07:21 PM (/+bwe)

307 One of the most disgusting things about the legal system is this nice sounding concept of "everybody gets their day in court".

Nevermind it can bankrupt you to get your day in court.

Judges will green light absolutely disgusting lawsuits that break people financially in the name of "fairness".

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2019 07:21 PM (UfkIY)

308 250
Keep in mind that WA state passed a law first that gave gay couples (and
older folks on SS) a civil "marriage" that had exactly the same legal
rights as a regular marriage. It fixed the issues with medical treatment
and inheritance. Two years later, they insisted on passing a bill to
make "gay" marriage legal.

If you read what the tranny has been demanding of Masterpiece Cakes,
it's outrageous. No bakery should be forced to make a cake with Satan
sucking on a dildo. I'm sorry, those folks can do their own damn
decorations. It is harassment, pure and simple. And the WA state court
judges are not the brightest on the block.

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (JKNZq)

IIRC, Seattle passed an ordinance that makes political ideology a protected class, or something to that effect. Time to head on down to Seattle in some MAGA hats with video cameras and go get "oppressed."

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 17, 2019 07:22 PM (t6MX/)

309 Catamite,
Vegamite,
Wait-mite!

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2019 07:22 PM (CSYCT)

310 Catamites form on the bottom of cave floors.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 17, 2019 07:22 PM (nDe2U)

311 Is that the one with the really effeminate, lisping announcer? Who thought that was a great idea???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:14 PM

Apparently Thubaru.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2019 07:22 PM (H4VdJ)

312
Its like the "no shirts no shoes" ones, I don't know if those have even ever been challenged.

I wonder if anyone has ever challenged the signs I see at the bank entrance barring hoodies, sunglasses and masks?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2019 07:22 PM (aKsyK)

313 > Catamites form on the bottom of cave floors.

Especially catacombs.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 07:22 PM (Vy4a0)

314 No Girls!!! No dumb old girls!!!
Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:17 PM (DpEis)

NO!

Dumb Girls with big knockers most wanted.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 17, 2019 07:23 PM (1g7ch)

315 Catamite,
Vegamite,
Wait-a-mite,]
Dyno-mite!

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2019 07:23 PM (CSYCT)

316 312
Its like the "no shirts no shoes" ones, I don't know if those have even ever been challenged.

I wonder if anyone has ever challenged the signs I see at the bank entrance barring hoodies, sunglasses and masks?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2019 07:22 PM (aKsyK)

Never seen the " No Bras" one, yet....

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:23 PM (DpEis)

317 Catamite was the compact Cadillac that GM tried to shill in the '80s.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2019 07:23 PM (Mouru)

318 > I wonder if anyone has ever challenged the signs I see at the bank entrance barring hoodies, sunglasses and masks?

The Elephant Man could probably have pulled it off.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 07:24 PM (Vy4a0)

319 190 T Gabbard/H Schultz.... a formidable ticket, that the Left is too stupid to endorse... Schultz is a Leftist Trump...
Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:04 PM (DpEis)

Yes....... and wrong. That would actually be a strong pair against Trump, but Schultz is trash.

Schultz is a leftist arrogant prick that cares zero about common people, Trump DOES care about common people.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 07:24 PM (sy5kK)

320 Marmite and vegemite are what Americans call "the trash you spray out of brewery vats."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2019 07:24 PM (9PqE2)

321 If the stupidhead boys keep giving us 'ettes possum-eating spiders and meh Who Dis? pics, we won't bake you any cakes!!!!

Who Dis?
http://tinyurl.com/yy5o75gf

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:24 PM (39g3+)

322 Cat- O-Mite!!!! Good Times...!!

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:24 PM (DpEis)

323 I never understood why some people used to speak negatively about homosexual s and lesbians.

I am beginning to understand now.

It has nothing to do with sexual choice but about if you do not agree with their choice you no longer any.

Posted by: Parker Longbaugh at June 17, 2019 07:24 PM (IoIaQ)

324 I see no gun signs everywhere... wonder how breaking that would hold up in court....

Posted by: lin-duh at June 17, 2019 07:24 PM (UUBmN)

325
If you read what the tranny has been demanding of Masterpiece Cakes,
it's outrageous. No bakery should be forced to make a cake with Satan
sucking on a dildo.

Make it a highly detailed Satan with the tranny's face.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2019 07:24 PM (aKsyK)

326 > IIRC, Seattle passed an ordinance that makes political ideology a protected class, or something to that effect.

The whole State of California has that.

That's why I have a good feeling about James Damore's case.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2019 07:25 PM (Vy4a0)

327 ""We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Those signs are in bars all over down here. What do they mean?"

They mean "You're drunk and obnoxious - get out."

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 17, 2019 07:25 PM (s6M7E)

328 Catamite was the compact Cadillac that GM tried to shill in the '80s.

No, no, no, those are the pointy things inside caves.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 17, 2019 07:25 PM (HaL55)

329 People are camped out in the rain a full day before Trump's rally in Orlando.

But Biden has a poll.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2019 07:25 PM (PxX58)

330 314 Burnt Toast

I just had a flashback to Chandra Levy.

What a waste. She was not too smart, put out, and was stacked as all get-out.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 07:25 PM (u82oZ)

331 As I've said before, the ticking timebomb is a judiciary filled with humans that "just don't get religion" or understand how it can be (very) important to people.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 17, 2019 07:25 PM (7d2kq)

332
Stop trying to come up with clever rules to circumvent the worst of freedom of association. Do you believe in freedom of association ? Doesn't sound like you do.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 07:15 PM (iMj43)

We got to that point because the abuses in the previous system were so great. I think a big part of my caution is the conviction that we're on the edge of a shooting civil war already; in fact I do think one is inevitable sooner or later. Still, I'd prefer it to be later, and bringing back open and legal racial discrimination is going to be the thing that guarantees that it will be starting real real soon.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 07:26 PM (Kpl3J)

333 One of the most disgusting things about the legal system is this nice sounding concept of "everybody gets their day in court".

Nevermind it can bankrupt you to get your day in court.

Judges will green light absolutely disgusting lawsuits that break people financially in the name of "fairness".

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2019 07:21 PM (UfkIY)

The one place in America where an innocent citizen truly has no rights, whatsoever, is in a courtroom where the judge deems the person to be a material witness to some bullshit trial. The court can demand that that person do or say pretty much anything it wants, under threat of open-ended imprisonment without any sort of charges or trial.

Or serving jury duty. You pretty much lose all your rights when you are requested to do jury duty. But they pay you something like $.83/hr (it varies) so that's cool.

Pretty weird the way that works out.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 07:26 PM (weya0)

334 Meanwhile, the CO baker is now facing his 3rd legal assault after the last two cases got tossed. Sigh.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2019 07:02 PM (Z4rgH)

He's being sued by that same tranny terrorist that sued him the first two times. Why isn't this grounds for a harassment counter-suit? That "religious freedom" legal org which is defending him better start playing some offense here and put the hurt on, otherwise this shit just isn't going to stop.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 17, 2019 07:26 PM (x7118)

335 Well, off to go cut the hay field. AKA my lawn.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2019 07:27 PM (H4VdJ)

336 We are allowed our christian belief but we dare not act on our belief. The only bigotry left is against whites, conservatives and the religious. I like to consider myself all three of these, I guess I know where I stand on the totem pole.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at June 17, 2019 07:27 PM (0OmEj)

337 He's being sued by that same tranny terrorist that sued him the first two times. Why isn't this grounds for a harassment counter-suit? That "religious freedom" legal org which is defending him better start playing some offense here and put the hurt on, otherwise this shit just isn't going to stop.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 17, 2019 07:26 PM (x711

Bingo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2019 07:27 PM (DRWZX)

338 321 If the stupidhead boys keep giving us 'ettes possum-eating spiders and meh Who Dis? pics, we won't bake you any cakes!!!!

Who Dis?
http://tinyurl.com/yy5o75gf
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:24 PM

Would you like ice cream with your cake, sweetheart?

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 17, 2019 07:27 PM (/+bwe)

339 These people are a virus. I just wish it was a flesh eating one.

SCOTUS, do your fucking job.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 17, 2019 07:27 PM (HNU3P)

340 I think the Left would give insolent Bakers Prefrontal Lobotomies, if allowed..... yeah, that evil, they are....

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:28 PM (DpEis)

341 I think all is turning out just as the Founders intended.
The peasants are now ruled over by an unelected unaccountable judiciary, where the peasants have access to the court system to make it fair.
Butt, since most of the judiciary are from elite colleges, like Harvard, it's really all for the best!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2019 07:28 PM (AZxMX)

342 We got to that point because the abuses in the previous system were so great.

And honestly that was a failure of Christians to properly teach and show love to our neighbor. Christianity was the dominant religious and ethical system in the nation when the worst excesses of mistreatment to non-whites and women took place. That was just flat evil, and sinful and we failed so badly in that.

Christians should have been the ones who were most willing to let the black lady sit in front of the bus when she was tired, the most willing to sell the home to a Jew, the most protective of Women. Its a shame.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:28 PM (39g3+)

343 As I've said before, the ticking timebomb is a
judiciary filled with humans that "just don't get religion" or
understand how it can be (very) important to people.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 17, 2019 07:25 PM (7d2kq)

They get it.

Prepare yourself for the landslide of accommodations our current judiciary is getting ready to give Muslims

And get this - I will not contract to any Muslim company, nor work in any Islamic country. Should I have to ? They "need" my expertise. Do I owe it to 'em ?

I'll pick up empty cans in ditches before I cave to that shit.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 07:28 PM (iMj43)

344 CAT-O-MITE!!!!

Posted by: Good Times, Good Times at June 17, 2019 07:28 PM (QzkSJ)

345 196
20 years ago - Marraige is for breeders, we don't want it!

10 years ago - We want the same rights as married couples! Yes, civil unions will do.

5 Years ago - We'll settle for nothing less than recognition of our marriage by the church!

Now - Bake the cake, bitch!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2019 06:35 PM (gC2IV)

5 years from now - Heterosexual marriage is evil and must be banned.

how long until gun good penis evil?

Posted by: Anachronda, looking for an excuse to buy red diapers at June 17, 2019 07:29 PM (sGtp+)

346 331 Tonic Dog

ISTR a positron F*19 brain study on mind functions that hinted that humans have an innate belief is something greater than themselves. Don't think is was the Babylon Bee.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 07:29 PM (u82oZ)

347 Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 17, 2019 07:26 PM

My good man, that's not who WE are!

Posted by: RNC Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2019 07:29 PM (AZxMX)

348 341 I think all is turning out just as the Founders intended.
The peasants are now ruled over by an unelected unaccountable judiciary, where the peasants have access to the court system to make it fair.
Butt, since most of the judiciary are from elite colleges, like Harvard, it's really all for the best!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2019 07:28 PM (AZxMX)

Heh.... and some think there is no class system in America....

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:29 PM (DpEis)

349 Hey, what's all the fuss? We get paid no matter what happens.

Posted by: Lawyers at June 17, 2019 07:31 PM (jXrK7)

350 The State Department are saying they have identified 15 current and former employees who mishandled classified information during Hillary's reign of terror. And the investigation is ongoing.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2019 07:31 PM (PxX58)

351 Babylon Bee is soliciting subscriptions in order for them to remain free of Leftist Repression.... a very good idea.... potential here??

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:32 PM (DpEis)

352 350 The State Department are saying they have identified 15 current and former employees who mishandled classified information during Hillary's reign of terror. And the investigation is ongoing.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2019 07:31 PM (PxX5

____

#TwoWeeks until indictments. Or Two months. Or years. Or most likely Never.

Posted by: Subaru Valve Cover Gaskets at June 17, 2019 07:32 PM (FiUMj)

353 JackStraw

The Embassy is the Congo needs staff.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 07:32 PM (u82oZ)

354 Inconvenient Truths @ 343- Neither will I surrender, kneel, or bow to islam. If it is GOD's Will that I confess Jesus Christ and die, so be it. Read Fox's Book Of Martyrs for a look at the past, and perhaps the future.

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2019 07:33 PM (qBNEP)

355 Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2019 07:31 PM (PxX5

15? LOL.

The real number is something like 15,000.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 07:33 PM (weya0)

356 kraken

Ace has almost no ad revenue.

Yet, except for some exceptions, I'll bet advertisers would love our demographics.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 07:34 PM (u82oZ)

357 We got to that point because the abuses in the
previous system were so great.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2019 07:26 PM (Kpl3J)

Then tell me what's worse ... a man freely refusing to buy and sell from another ... or government forcing that transaction to happen ?

C.S. Lewis talked about this, and the tyranny of good intentions.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 07:34 PM (iMj43)

358 Think I will watch some " Little Rascals " soon.... it's a wonderful antidote to Leftism.....

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 07:34 PM (DpEis)

359 Not even going to bother with the tortured logic they used to say that the state wasn't using prejudice against Christianity to force--at the barrel of a gun--a florist to violate their religious beliefs.

99% sure they just hand-waived it away by saying the florists are just lying about their religious conviction, that they just plain old hate gays

But, let's get that snit Gabe Molor in here to tell us fag marriage won't be used to persecute religion--I R dum and shouldn't believe my lying eyes.

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at June 17, 2019 07:34 PM (e+U71)

360 Hey, what's all the fuss? We get paid no matter what happens.

Posted by: Lawyers at June 17, 2019 07:31 PM (jXrK7)

You will note that BOTH sides have to hire lawyers to pursue a court case. Talk about planning for the long term...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2019 07:34 PM (AZxMX)

361 Nood

Posted by: Tonypete at June 17, 2019 07:35 PM (Y4EXg)

362 At least with the bakers, you could "accidentally" drops some pubes in their cake. Not sure what you can do to flowers.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2019 07:35 PM (jXrK7)

363 Ace has almost no ad revenue.

Yet, except for some exceptions, I'll bet advertisers would love our demographics.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2019 07:34 PM (u82oZ)

_____

Is that cuz of the badthink posted?

Posted by: Subaru Valve Cover Gaskets at June 17, 2019 07:35 PM (FiUMj)

364 C.S. Lewis talked about this, and the tyranny of good intentions.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 07:34 PM (iMj43)

There are never really even good intentions behind any of these shit laws.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 07:35 PM (weya0)

365 Hey, what's all the fuss? We get paid no matter what happens.

Posted by: Lawyers

"two lawyers can make a living in a town where one can't"

Posted by: Samuel Miklos Clemens at June 17, 2019 07:36 PM (QzkSJ)

366 The State Department are saying they have identified 15 ~~current and former employees~~ fall guys who mishandled classified information during Hillary's reign of terror. And the investigation is ongoing.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2019 07:31 PM (PxX5

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Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2019 07:36 PM (gC2IV)

367 Yeah, but they don't force muslims to bake cakes. Becuase islam.
Posted by: shibumi, eagerly awaiting SMOD at June 17, 2019 06:44 PM (sktRI)

Yeah, Crowder did a video where he went into Shatila bakery in east Dearborn and the guy told him to GTFO.

Posted by: clutch at June 17, 2019 07:36 PM (kiSdp)

368 36
For the 'ettes...

https://tinyurl.com/y64zpoza
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2019 06:39 PM (AzW6q)

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Was that supposed to be scary?

Posted by: SMH at June 17, 2019 07:36 PM (RU4sa)

369 And honestly that was a failure of Christians to properly teach and show love to our neighbor. Christianity was the dominant religious and ethical system in the nation when the worst excesses of mistreatment to non-whites and women took place. That was just flat evil, and sinful and we failed so badly in that.

Christians should have been the ones who were most willing to let the black lady sit in front of the bus when she was tired, the most willing to sell the home to a Jew, the most protective of Women. Its a shame.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

++++++++++++++

I'm not excusing all of it, but look what happened to South Africa when they lifted Apartheid. Sounds so nice and peaceful. White people are absolutely targets now fleeing for their lives.

A lot of this also was just over blown in that era. Right now, places in Japan have signs that say "no white people" and it's legal

Does it really bother you as a white person?

Posted by: Hoon at June 17, 2019 07:38 PM (DTx5v)

370
If you read what the tranny has been demanding of Masterpiece Cakes,
it's outrageous. No bakery should be forced to make a cake with Satan
sucking on a dildo. I'm sorry, those folks can do their own damn
decorations. It is harassment, pure and simple. And the WA state court
judges are not the brightest on the block.

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 17, 2019 07:12 PM (JKNZq)

IIRC, Seattle passed an ordinance that makes political ideology a protected class, or something to that effect. Time to head on down to Seattle in some MAGA hats with video cameras and go get "oppressed."
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 17, 2019 07:22 PM (t6MX/)

Fun fact: while a permit is needed for concealed carry, it is legal to open carry anywhere in Wash state, except courts, bars, public schools, and other places if they have a sign in the open on private property expressing it.

Like walking down a Seattle street.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 17, 2019 07:39 PM (sy5kK)

371 354 Inconvenient Truths @ 343- Neither will I surrender, kneel, or bow to islam. If it is GOD's Will that I confess Jesus Christ and die, so be it. Read Fox's Book Of Martyrs for a look at the past, and perhaps the future.

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2019 07:33 PM (qBNEP)

"I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees." ~ Attributed to several sources, but a most reasonable thought nonetheless!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2019 07:40 PM (AZxMX)

372 Still, I'd prefer it to be later, and bringing back open and legal
racial discrimination is going to be the thing that guarantees that it
will be starting real real soon.

It's right about here that I'd like to remind everybody that America's Favorite Domestic Terrorist, Little Billy Ayers, was going to use a race war to kick off his little revolution. You know, the one where he was talking to foreign gubmints like SoKo to help him take over by killing 125 million Americans.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 17, 2019 07:41 PM (HaL55)

373 368
Was that supposed to be scary?

Posted by: SMH at June 17, 2019 07:36 PM (RU4sa)

It scared the fuck out of me.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2019 07:41 PM (sdi6R)

374 40 How many times will it take in the courts? As many times as it takes to get their desired outcome. That's how many.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
Until the non-government-bottomless-money-pit party goes broke.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at June 17, 2019 07:41 PM (/Fmtj)

375 No Irish!
Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2019 07:16 PM (PxX5

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😠

Posted by: IrishEi at June 17, 2019 07:42 PM (NtglE)

376 There are never really even good intentions behind any of these shit laws.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 07:35 PM (weya0)

It works better when you think of them as "good" intentions!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2019 07:42 PM (AZxMX)

377 I'm not excusing all of it, but look what happened to South Africa when they lifted Apartheid. Sounds so nice and peaceful. White people are absolutely targets now fleeing for their lives.

South Africa was just stupidity. They were super hateful and oppressive, then just pretended they could end that overnight and nothing bad would happen in return. And further, they turned over the netire government to the very people they'd kept from even learning how to read and write. What kind of retard thinks that's going to work out?

There had to be a long, slow process, like a decade of transition, not something overnight. I know a lady who was related to the Foreign Minister or something like that. They gave him six months to train a complete staff who had no experience or even much education. That just cannot work.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:43 PM (39g3+)

378 373 368
Was that supposed to be scary?

Posted by: SMH at June 17, 2019 07:36 PM (RU4sa)

It scared the fuck out of me.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2019 07:41 PM (sdi6R)

SMH would rack her .45 and shortly nobody would have anything to be scared of!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2019 07:43 PM (AZxMX)

379 South Africa was just stupidity. They were super
hateful and oppressive, then just pretended they could end that
overnight and nothing bad would happen in return.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:43 PM (39g3+)

When you jail a cat for stockpiling heavy weapons, and his wife has a penchant for dropping people neck-first into a burning tire, feelings tend to get hurt.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 17, 2019 07:45 PM (iMj43)

380 378
SMH would rack her .45 and shortly nobody would have anything to be scared of!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2019 07:43 PM (AZxMX)

M249 I think, right?

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2019 07:46 PM (sdi6R)

381 M249 I think, right?

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2019 07:46 PM (sdi6R)

Nah, SMH understands the need for having a backup plan! So, phase 1 is the.45!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2019 07:50 PM (AZxMX)

382 Lezzie couple walks into a bakery, asks "how much to bake us a lezzie wedding cake?"

Baker says:

"$195 to bake the cake. $25,000 for me to compromise my religious convictions and actually do the commission. Non-negotiable, if you protest the surcharge, I raise it to $30,000." "Causing me to sin before Almighty God won't be cheap for you, but at least you'll be comforted by knowing that I'll be donating the proceeds to Falwell's Liberty University."

I have no idea if that'd pass "Constitutional Muster" in the WA court, but I'd love to see the publicity from such a case, nonetheless.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 17, 2019 08:17 PM (QzJWU)

383 Gov Abbott should announce that he and the state of Texas will offer asylum to anyone persecuted in other states for the religious views.

FORCE the SC to address the implications of what they are doing.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2019 08:27 PM (WdocV)

384
Like walking down a Seattle street.

***

I forget if it was WA or CA, but a man got mobbed by Antifa, drew his weapon, and told them to scram.

He was then arrested for "brandishing"

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2019 08:30 PM (WdocV)

385 There had to be a long, slow process, like a decade
of transition, not something overnight. I know a lady who was related
to the Foreign Minister or something like that. They gave him six
months to train a complete staff who had no experience or even much
education. That just cannot work.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2019 07:43 PM (39g3+)

That's nice but the reality is foreign pressure wouldn't have ended for anything less than a total removal. The only real solution would have been to divide the country by race.

Posted by: WOPR - Ewoks, it's like Chuck Norris went to Build-A-Bear and built a super army at June 17, 2019 09:04 PM (J70i0)

386 Does it seem the Roberts SC isn't going to make any waves, just keep a even keel?

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 06:40 PM (BbGew)

Trump needs three more SCOTUS picks.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 17, 2019 09:56 PM (F/KeJ)

387 62 Gabe M used to be A Thing at AoS, as I recall....
Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2019 06:45 PM (DpEis)

----

My question about that guy is, what did he know and when did he know it? The false statements about gay marriage being the ultimate goal, this far and no further-- did he know it was a lie when he said it? He was so resentful of the reactions he got when people came to the realization a short time later that it was only the beginning, and that there was begun an open-ended process towards what has by now materialized as coerced endorsements and commerce, normalization of pedophilia, legal consequences for not repeating made-up gender terms, the entire bloated, endless, dangerous and humiliating game of Simon Says they impose on us now -- it dawned on us and predictably, angered us. He came across as cognitively dissonant -- a smug con artist proud of his con, yet also convinced he was a victim.

What did he know? How many personalities does he have? Three or four? A single really shitty one?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 17, 2019 11:15 PM (t5m5e)

388 You can depend on SCOTUS to side with the perverse, the depraved, and the insane. Its the SCOTUS way, Jefferson warned about the dangers of an unelected, unaccountable court system.

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