Saturday Evening Movie Thread 06-15-2019 [Hosted By: TheJamesMadison]

The Second Time Around

For the kinds of stories that lend themselves to serialized storytelling in the motion picture medium, sometimes the second time around can prove more fruitful than the first. In the first, the story is concerned with origins of characters, conflicts, and settings. Oftentimes the first half of that first film is dedicated to simply explaining things.

Given a second two-hour timeframe to tell a story in the same universe with the same characters and suddenly that legwork isn't necessary. You don't have to explain everyone's relationships, the setting, and the overall conflicts. The audience should walk into the movie with the first film in the back of their minds. It's one way that franchise films actually operate differently from completely stand-alone movies. Franchise films are allowed a shorthand on certain key elements that allow for greater emphasis on more pressing storytelling elements like the plot and theme of the story at hand.

So, we can all think of second films that work better than the first, but I want to focus on one recent series that simply got better with every subsequent film: The Planet of the Apes trilogy.

Rise of the Planet of the Apes

Really, this one should have been titled Dawn and the second should have been titled Rise, but whatever. No one was thinking that far ahead.

I remember when the trailers came out for this, and no one seemed excited about it. We've been knee-deep in remakes of classics from the 60s through the 90s for years. One more prequel, sequel, reboot, pre-seq-re-sequel wasn't going to rise to the top of the pack by its IP alone. There were other, more immediate, Intellectual Properties trying to catch eyeballs and dollars than a Planet of the Apes thing.

But then it came out, reviews started reaching the world, and everyone was surprised. The movie wasn't great, but there were parts of the movie that certainly were. The story is about a scientist (played unconvincingly by James Franco) who develops a virus based gene therapy for chimps that increases their intelligence. He raises a chimp named Caesar (played marvelously by Andy Serkis under a layer of CGI) with these advantages. And therein lies the movie. On the one hand, we have the humans who are largely uninteresting cutouts rather than characters, and on the other we have the apes who are uniformly fantastic. By about the halfway point, the focus leans more towards the apes than the humans, so we end up realizing that the main character isn't Franco, but Caesar.

Caesar releases the same virus gene therapy he received (through his mother, don't get pedantic, I know the movie) on his fellow captives in a zoo-like enclosure and leads a small rebellion and escape across San Francisco, over the Golden Gate Bridge, and into the Redwood Forest. The action is well-lensed and Caesar's journey from innocent ape to reluctant leader is convincing. It's a solid movie, but, as a whole, not that special.

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes

Released a few years later with a new director, Matt Reeves, this got a bit more positive buzz before its release. We had seen Rise, knew there was promise and no James Franco, and were cautiously excited. Reeves had also directed the better than it should have been remake of the Swedish horror film Let the Right One In, Let Me In.

Dawn is a solid step better than Rise, but it shares a bit of the same issues with its predecessors. The human characters are improved. Instead of James Franco we have Jason Clarke and Gary Oldman, which is a definite step up. The characters, especially Oldman's, are more interesting than the generic scientist man and corporate boss man in the original, but they still pale horribly in comparison to Caesar.

Caesar, still utterly convincing CGI draped over Andy Serkis's unitard body, has hardened since we last saw him. He's led his people to carving out a tough existence in the forest away from any contact with humanity. He's also a father and family man (ape?). He doesn't just have an ideal of freedom and his own comfort to fight for, he has a people and a family to protect.

When apes and humans come into contact again, it's because the humans have left San Francisco in search of a hydroelectric dam hidden in the forest that they hope to get running again to provide them power in the upcoming winter. There's immediate distrust, but Caesar allows the humans their work under close supervision after he receives promises that the humans will make no encroachments on the ape's homes.

There is another ape, though, who simply cannot trust humans. Koba, who was in the first film, had a long history of being experimented on by human scientists and simply refuses to allow any charitable explanation for the humans' excursion out of their city. He doesn't believe they are capable of good, and if they won't start the fight he knows they want, he'll help them along.

That above scene is where the aggression between human and ape actually begins, and it's great. Koba knows exactly how to play the humans, having learned in his time moving from one lab to the next, until he teaches them that they shouldn't have trusted him. He's vicious and everything he thinks humans are. Maybe it's not his fault that he is that way, but the two men he kills are also not the ones who did the harm to him. They don't deserve it, and Koba is evil for doing what he did. There's no ambiguity around that. In fact, he takes it a step further and uses the weapons he gathers there to frame humans for a hit on Caesar.

The conflict that ends up developing isn't around humans versus apes, but between ideologies. We see the same conflict within the humans as Oldman and Clarke pit themselves against each other in the same way that Caesar and Koba do. The movie is a mature exploration of distrust, power, and violence. Oh, and it has monkeys firing automatic weapons while riding on horseback through fire:

That is just awesome.

War for the Planet of the Apes

Do you remember what the major flagging elements were in the previous two movies? The humans. They were borderline bad in the first and largely competently written in the second. You know what they are in the third? Fantastic.

Finally, the series put everything together, and we got a legitimately great genre picture that explores themes in mature ways while also delivering genre thrills.

First, I've already talked about how great Caesar is, and he continues to be here, but let's take a moment to talk about the new human: Woody Harrelson as The Colonel.

This isn't the first time Caesar has had a direct antagonist, but this is the first antagonist worthy of him. The Colonel is man driven by a higher ideal and the need for survival. When we first see him, he sneaks into Caesar's home and kills Caesar's family himself. We're automatically told to hate him. We don't see him again for a while, but we do see the results of some of his methods, which includes the killing of his own men without explanation.

When Caesar and The Colonel meet face to face at the Colonel's base, he seems almost like a man crazed with religious fervor for his cause, and we learn the cause. He's not mad at apes because of the virus that wiped out most of humanity, as the humans in Dawn were. He's not mad at apes because he's an asshole, as the humans in Rise were. No, he's mad at apes because they carry the virus, which has morphed and turned on humanity. Humans are no longer either dying or immune, those left with their immunity are now beginning to descend into the dumb primates we know from the very original Planet of the Apes movie. Humanity is descending from creatures of reason and high learning into beasts who cannot speak or think beyond finding their next meal. The Colonel wants to save humanity, and he's completely right when he says that it's either humanity or the apes.

The scene is quiet, but absolutely electric:

Here we have two foes that cannot exist at the same time in the same place. The existence of one means the destruction of the other. This isn't a conflict that can be resolved through words, but only violence. And how does the movie come to that violence? Spoilers!

It's a quiet resolution to a conflict only ever fought quietly, even in the midst of larger settings. It's perfect.

There's obviously more to the film. Caesar is haunted by visions of Koba. He has to deal with traitors in his own midst and appeal to apes helping the humans. There's a mute human girl named Nova (just a reference to the original's Nova, not supposed to actually be her) that Caesar ends up reluctantly taking under his protection. There's really no false note to the film. It's an exquisite conclusion to a trilogy of films that was born of a need to take advantage of an unused IP.

Back to the Point

So, in my opinion at least, the recent iteration of Planet of the Apes simply got better with every movie. Working within the same universe without the baggage of an origin movie and building off of the strengths while correcting the mistakes of the films that came before, provided a blueprint for the filmmakers to expand and deepen the material. They were able to use the previous films as starting points to explore new characters, new settings within the world, and similar themes without needing to take forty-five minutes to establish everything.

It's reasonable for the filmmakers to expect the audience to walk in knowing who Caesar is and the outline of his backstory, that humanity had been nearly wiped out, and that apes were now smart. Even if an individual audience member doesn't know it all, though, the filmmakers trust the audience to be smart enough to pay attention, appropriately suspend disbelief, and go along for the ride.

It really is unfortunate that more franchises don't treat their sequels as opportunities to expand rather than contract or retread.

Halloween II

So, I have to dig into this example. Halloween from 1978 is one of the great horror films. It's tense, really well constructed, and scary, all without getting too gory. It launched the 80s version of the slasher craze, and when Universal came to John Carpenter asking him to write a sequel, he ended up producing a movie that was nothing more than a bad Halloween imitation. Gone is any real sense of tension. Instead we get dumb teenagers and young adults who follow slasher movie tropes on the way to gory deaths.

Instead of asking questions about Michael Myers and trying to explore the ideas behind a faceless killer and how it can affect the world around him, he becomes a less interesting version of what he was in the original. Even the original elements that are there are misused, especially Laurie Strode who spends the first 75% of the movie in a hospital bed doing nothing (probably some of the easiest money Jamie Lee Curtis ever made). There was opportunity, but it was all squandered.

The new Halloween film made by David Gordon Greene does more with the idea. Myers is pure evil, he decided, so there's no development on him directly. However, how the town of Haddonfield reacts to him changed. People want more of an explanation of his actions other than he's evil, and in their search for more than what's there, they release evil upon the world. Laurie Strode didn't just move on with her life, she was scarred deeply by her experience and can't move on. It's an interesting direction to take. The movie isn't completely successful (I pretty much agree completely with RedLetterMedia's review, especially about the out of place humor), but it actually tries to take the franchise in a direction it hadn't gone before and explore a theme related to the original without repeating it.

So...

So there's my take on Northernlurker's suggestion in the comments of my last thread:

What are some sequels that you thought did better than the original?

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:
Men in Black: International
Shaft
The Dead Don't Die

Next in my Netflix Queue:
Whiplash

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:
Aladdin (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2.5/4) Full Review Poster blurb: "I was actually along with it for a while, but the movie kind of got bogged down in its final act that ended up dragging the rest of the movie down with it." [Theater]
Sawdust and Tinsel (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "What’s behind her artifice of cheap costumes and cheap perfume? A beautiful woman who loves him and stays with him." [Personal Collection]
Velvet Buzzsaw (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "When I figured this out, my appreciation of the movie jumped. I went from thinking it was pretty good to really good." [Netflix Instant]
All These Women (Netflix Rating 2/5 | Quality Rating 1/4) Full Review "What we get instead are a series of sketches or bits that would feel appropriate as filler in a silent comedy." [Personal Collection]
Halloween (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) Full Review "Here’s to hoping that if they do film a second film, that they work on getting a more effective and consistent tone." [HBO]
Europa Europa (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) Full Review "I really liked it, and the defense that “It actually happened that way” (assuming it did), doesn’t alleviate the fact that the ending ends up silly." ["Library"]
The Edge of Seventeen (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "It’s not a complicated movie. It’s simply a well told story, and it works really well." [Netflix Instant]
Bad Times at the El Royale (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "That can be both entertaining and frustrating, and the movie ends up working more towards the former than the latter." [HBO]

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Posted by: OregonMuse at 07:55 PM

Comments

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1 What are some sequels that you thought did better than the original?

Aliens.

It is known.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 07:52 PM (t4VPg)

2 *flings poo*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 07:58 PM (kQs4Y)

3 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 07:58 PM (ScThf)

4 What are some sequels that you thought did better than the original?
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The John Wick movies

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:01 PM (kQs4Y)

5 The new Apes movies were entertaining. I like to pretend the one with Mark Wahlberg never happened.

Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:01 PM (yQpMk)

6
La Trivia:

Name all movies co-starring both Kris Kristofferson and James Coburn.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:02 PM (kqTPz)

7 As I said I like King Kong movies

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2019 08:02 PM (BbGew)

8 Awesome double play by FSU to keep the game 0-0.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:02 PM (XAYDB)

9 What are some sequels that you thought did better than the original?

Aliens.

It is known.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 07:52 PM (t4VPg)

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I love Aliens, but Alien is one of the greatest movies ever made. I must respectfully disagree.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:02 PM (OoEEx)

10 Sequels that are better than the Original:

1.0 - Ronald Reagan

2.0 - Donald Trump

yeah, there were some off brand sequels that had to be retconned out of the story line.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:03 PM (V2Yro)

11 Yay! Movie thread!! Hello and thanks TJM!!!

Movies where the sequel was better than the original? Duh... The Empire Strikes Back. Today a lot of people say it should have won Best Picture.

Also, I haven't seen any of the First Blood movies, but I think some people here might believe Rambo (full title: RAMBO: First Blood Part II) was better than the original.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:03 PM (miE9U)

12 5 The new Apes movies were entertaining. I like to pretend the one with Mark Wahlberg never happened.
Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:01 PM (yQpMk

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What are you talking about?

Seriously, though that was Tim Burton's worst movie until he made Alice in Wonderland.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:04 PM (OoEEx)

13 New Category

Wackability

Score 1-10

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 08:04 PM (vGYXT)

14 Attack of the 50-foot Woman on Sven tonight.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 15, 2019 08:04 PM (oVJmc)

15 The Original "Alien" is probably the best Horror/SciFi movie ever.

"Aliens" is the best Space Marines movie ever.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:04 PM (V2Yro)

16 And then there's my personal choice for all-time best sequel:

The Road Warrior.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:04 PM (miE9U)

17 I thought WWII packed more of a punch than WWI.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 15, 2019 08:05 PM (+y/Ru)

18 What are some sequels that you thought did better than the original?

Road Warrior.

Empire Strikes Back.

Ghandi II.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 15, 2019 08:05 PM (oVJmc)

19 11 Yay! Movie thread!! Hello and thanks TJM!!!

Movies where the sequel was better than the original? Duh... The Empire Strikes Back. Today a lot of people say it should have won Best Picture.
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Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:03 PM (miE9U

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I was really tempted to offer some kind of prize to the whoever didn't mention Star Wars. I just didn't know how to make it work.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:05 PM (OoEEx)

20 As I said I like King Kong movies
Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2019 08:02 PM (BbGew)

I tried but I couldn't get more than a half hour into Kong Island (or whatever it's called). The characters were all caricatures and the dialog was trite. Brie Flatass was a very unlikable asshole.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 08:06 PM (aS1PU)

21

Horny Co-Eds II was a much better movie than the first one. They really fleshed out the characters in the second one

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:06 PM (CVHFl)

22 Pale Rider was a good sequel to High Plains Drifter.

Less problematic rape.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 08:06 PM (fuK7c)

23 Beneath the Valley of the Supervixens was far superior to the first of the series.

Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:07 PM (yQpMk)

24 Ghandi II

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This Time It's Personal.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 15, 2019 08:08 PM (+y/Ru)

25 TJM, LOL.

Next week we should do the topic, movies that *should* have had a sequel but didn't.

"Pulp Fiction 2: Royale Revenge... With Cheese!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:08 PM (miE9U)

26 20 As I said I like King Kong movies
Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2019 08:02 PM (BbGew)

I tried but I couldn't get more than a half hour into Kong Island (or whatever it's called). The characters were all caricatures and the dialog was trite. Brie Flatass was a very unlikable asshole.
Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 08:06 PM (aS1PU

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King King
Son of Kong
King King 70s
King Kong(Peter Jackson)
And then finally Skull Island

It's not the worst series of remakes. Until Skull Island, which I found not very entertaining.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:08 PM (OoEEx)

27 Compared to the originals from the 1970s, the Apes remakes just don't do it for me.

They don't even come close to evoking that post acopalyptic vision.Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 15, 2019 08:08 PM (EZebt)

28 If Conan the Barbarian and Conan the Destroyer had come out in the opposite order then the sequel would have been better.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 08:08 PM (fuK7c)

29
The best Ape movie was the one with Ricardo Monteban.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:09 PM (kqTPz)

30 Just watched Alien again a few days ago, great movie.

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2019 08:09 PM (BbGew)

31 Also, Franco is no Heston, that's for sure.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 15, 2019 08:09 PM (EZebt)

32 Ro

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:09 PM (V2Yro)

33 Oh, wait, I know:

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: the last *and best* movie of the 'Fistful of Dollars' trilogy.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 08:10 PM (t4VPg)

34 Malcolm X > Malcolm IX

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 15, 2019 08:10 PM (oVJmc)

35 Road Warrior was better than Mad Max.

And I liked Thunderdome the most of all, because Tina Turner was HAWT.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:10 PM (V2Yro)

36 What are some sequels that you thought did better than the original?

--Spider-Man 2 (the 2004 one, not the crapfests that came later)

The Empire Strikes Back

Hot Shots: Part Deux

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:10 PM (XAYDB)

37 And then there's the sequel to Apocalypse Now that was featured on The Critic, "Apocalypse Wow!" It was a musical:

Here I am, I'm Colonel Kurtz
Fat and bald, like old Fred Mertz!
Watch me do a hula dance
To drop the egg rolls from my pants...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:10 PM (miE9U)

38 9

I love Aliens, but Alien is one of the greatest movies ever made. I must respectfully disagree.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:02 PM (OoEEx)

Each of your views aren't necessarily incompatible. Both "Alien" and "Aliens" are among the greatest movies ever made, but "Aliens" is just a little better (i.e. "Aliens" = 10, "Alien" = 9.9).

Posted by: Slappy at June 15, 2019 08:10 PM (BsrgJ)

39 Apropos of nothing, I'm watching Ghost World2001 with a, I guess 17 y/o ScarJo. The first 96 minutes was fun and now, with like 15 minutes to go, it's turning bad.

Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:11 PM (yQpMk)

40 Grump, I know Ghost World has a strange ending.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:12 PM (miE9U)

41 *flings poo*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 07:58 PM (kQs4Y)

That did not take long.

Posted by: tbodie at June 15, 2019 08:12 PM (zcuxU)

42 Ask your friend who Russ Meyer is, if doesn't know he's .....

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 08:13 PM (vGYXT)

43 Saw a couple good flicks while on vaca:

John Wick III - Didn't think they could pull off a sequel, and here we are on three. It didn't just have bravura fights scenes (that knife/ax donnybrook was killer!), we got a peek into the governing body itself. I really liked the chilly adjudicator lady, and this film gave the unflappable concierge a chance to shine too.

Book Smart - two best friends, who spent all of high school laser focused on their studies, find out that some of their party animal classmates also managed to get into top tier colleges. Was it all for naught?! They are determined to have one wild night before graduation. Much wackiness ensues. Enjoyable for seeing two besties who know each other so well they can finish each other's sentences.

Arctic - Mads Mikkelson as a pilot surviving in the arctic in the remains of his crashed airplane, desperately awaiting rescue. I like Man vs. The Elements movies.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:13 PM (kQs4Y)

44 I thought that "Lethal Weapon 2" was arguably a sliver better than "Lethal Weapon" but the gap in quality between the two is virtually non-existent.

Posted by: Slappy at June 15, 2019 08:13 PM (BsrgJ)

45 Compared to the originals from the 1970s, the Apes remakes just don't do it for me.

They don't even come close to evoking that post acopalyptic vision.Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 15, 2019 08:08 PM (EZebt)

I have to agree. If we are talking Planet of the Apes movies they have to include Chuck Heston. Although the one real stinker in that bunch was Battle for the Planet of the Apes. The humans had it won and then what do you know Roddy MacDowall and pals were just faking being killed. Silly ending

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:13 PM (CVHFl)

46 Good post, Oregon Muse*!!

*For joke: I know it was written by TJM, his writing style is recognizable.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:13 PM (W+vEI)

47 I happen to know, one of the Apes sequels was shot at UC Irvine.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:14 PM (miE9U)

48 I found Smurfs 1 jejune and nugatory. Smurfs Do Dallas was far superior.

Posted by: Pep at June 15, 2019 08:14 PM (/liaq)

49 The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: the last *and best* movie of the 'Fistful of Dollars' trilogy.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 08:10 PM (t4VPg)

Oh yeah by far - a neat little move I always enjoyed (once I saw it) at the end of G, B, & U is that Clint is always wearing some kind of coat - except at the very end when he gives a cigarette to the dying confederate soldier. Then he drops his coat and puts on the signature pancho he was wearing at the very beginning of A Fistful of Dollars, which he gets from the dead confederate, and he wears it while he rides off at the end. ( Maybe to go back to the Beginning?)

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:14 PM (V2Yro)

50
Just watched The Mule. Good movie but it was a long, slow buildup to a scene we never get to see.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:14 PM (kqTPz)

51 >>The new Apes movies were entertaining. I like to pretend the one with Mark Wahlberg never happened.

Ditto. I likes them more than I expected to.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:15 PM (W+vEI)

52 Also, Franco is no Heston, that's for sure.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 15, 2019 08:09 PM (EZebt)

He's not even James Franciscus

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:15 PM (CVHFl)

53 and this film gave the unflappable concierge a chance to shine too.

--AHE, you mean Lt. Daniels from The Wire?

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:16 PM (XAYDB)

54 46 Good post, Oregon Muse*!!

*For joke: I know it was written by TJM, his writing style is recognizable.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:13 PM (W+vEI)

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Mine is pompous and his is erudite, I know.

Hangs head on shame.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:16 PM (OoEEx)

55
We really need to have a Barry I. Gordon (B.I.G.) vs Irwin Allen vs Golan Globus vs Quinn Martin debate.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:17 PM (kqTPz)

56 The zombie movie "The Dead Don't Die" somehow has Bill Murray AND Iggy Pop AND Tilda Swinton. I will of course see it ASAP.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:17 PM (kQs4Y)

57 49 The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: the last *and best* movie of the 'Fistful of Dollars' trilogy.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 08:10 PM (t4VPg)

Oh yeah by far - a neat little move I always enjoyed (once I saw it) at the end of G, B, & U is that Clint is always wearing some kind of coat - except at the very end when he gives a cigarette to the dying confederate soldier. Then he drops his coat and puts on the signature pancho he was wearing at the very beginning of A Fistful of Dollars, which he gets from the dead confederate, and he wears it while he rides off at the end. ( Maybe to go back to the Beginning?)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:14 PM (V2Yro

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Ugh...that bridge sequence though.

It's 30 minutes long and does virtually nothing to advance anything in the story.

I prefer For a Few Dollars More, to be honest.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:18 PM (OoEEx)

58 A lot of people don't know there was a sequel to 1969's True Grit, "Rooster Cogburn."

It starred both John Wayne and Katherine Hepburn, who I believe refused to speak with Wayne the entire shoot.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:18 PM (miE9U)

59 The best Ape movie was the one with Ricardo Monteban.

How do you think we got that fine Corinthian leather?

Posted by: Zombie Tatoo at June 15, 2019 08:18 PM (EgshT)

60 isn't it BURT I Gordon?

I feel I am very familiar with his works via MST3K.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:18 PM (kQs4Y)

61 Yes was shot at UCI Steve

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 08:18 PM (vGYXT)

62 We really need to have a Barry I. Gordon (B.I.G.) vs Irwin Allen vs Golan Globus vs Quinn Martin debate.vs. Godzilla

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:17 PM (kqTPz)

Would be even better

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:18 PM (CVHFl)

63 Just saw an ad. Apparently they're rebooting Beverley Hills 90210.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (+y/Ru)

64
isn't it BURT I Gordon?

Who?

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (kqTPz)

65 I'm watching the Rolling Thunder Revue. I love it, but I don't think it's generalizable. It hits me in a place but I don't think I can show it to my kids and say see, this is what Dylan was about.

Scorcese has the most awesome taste in music.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (fuK7c)

66 >>Mine is pompous and his is erudite, I know.
Hangs head on shame.

??

I like it - no insult intended.
Just wanted to do the AoSHQ thing of beating a joke to death.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (W+vEI)

67

hahaha, you're right, of course.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (kqTPz)

68 Eris, man against the elements. Did you watch "The Day after Tomorrow"?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (6LZkj)

69 TJM, I think the bridge scene in GBU was Sergio Leone's attempt to make the film topical and relevant to Vietnam. Didn't work though.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (miE9U)

70 Another good related topic would be sequels that no one thought would be made because the first film was such a piece of crap. For example, the two "Mannequin" movies. I have a strong dislike for cheeseball actor Andrew McCarthy.

Posted by: Slappy at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (BsrgJ)

71 6
La Trivia:

Name all movies co-starring both Kris Kristofferson and James Coburn.
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics

The only 2 I can think of is "Payback" and "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid".

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (VhR1N)

72 52 Also, Franco is no Heston, that's for sure.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 15, 2019 08:09 PM (EZebt)

He's not even James Franciscus
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:15 PM (CVHFl)

He's not even an Anthony Francioso.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:20 PM (kQs4Y)

73 A lot of people don't know there was a sequel to 1969's True Grit, "Rooster Cogburn."

Rooster Cogburn and the Lady.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 08:20 PM (fuK7c)

74 66 >>Mine is pompous and his is erudite, I know.
Hangs head on shame.

??
I like it - no insult intended.
Just wanted to do the AoSHQ thing of beating a joke to death.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (W+vEI

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Tell us what's happening in Vermont Mary Clogg3nstein!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:20 PM (OoEEx)

75 That bridge in TGtB&tU was built and blown up twice, they needed to get some film time on it.
But it ruined a great movie.

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2019 08:20 PM (BbGew)

76
The only 2 I can think of is "Payback" and "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid".

Correct.

And James Coburn is "uncredited" in Payback, which is a mystery to me.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:21 PM (kqTPz)

77 The Empire Strikes Back was better than Star Wars.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 15, 2019 08:21 PM (nDe2U)

78 I've watched the most recent Apes trilogy three times: once as they came out in theaters, once as they were available digitally, and most recently last year with my 15-year-old granddaughter.

They are better than they have any right to be, and I probably think a bit more highly of the first two than you do. If anything, I find they all improve with repeated watching, something not true of a lot of SF/F movies.

Sequels better than the original? Aliens and T2. Don't misunderstand me: I love both originals and consider them to be ground-breaking classics. But in each case, the sequel built upon and improved the story. IMHO. YMMV. ..fritz..

Posted by: Fritzworth at June 15, 2019 08:21 PM (LuiNI)

79 69 TJM, I think the bridge scene in GBU was Sergio Leone's attempt to make the film topical and relevant to Vietnam. Didn't work though.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (miE9U

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I agree. Though, if you want to make something topical, you weave it into the fabric of the film, not append it into an almost completely removable sequence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:21 PM (OoEEx)

80 Thank you. Great reviews.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 15, 2019 08:22 PM (JgA4k)

81 I hate fcuking monkeys.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2019 08:22 PM (qBNEP)

82 Per IMDB, it turns out Hepburn and Wayne got along better on Rooster Cogburn than I thought.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:22 PM (miE9U)

83 Midnight Cowboy?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 08:23 PM (vGYXT)

84 Can the head of the Florida Agriculture commission Nikki Freid be removed or impeached over 2nd amendment violations? Any idea?

Posted by: Losamantesdeteruel at June 15, 2019 08:23 PM (iRRkC)

85 80 Thank you. Great reviews.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 15, 2019 08:22 PM (JgA4k)

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No, thank you for bringing me back to topical reality.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:23 PM (OoEEx)

86

I hate fcuking monkeys.

Posted by: Eromero

Well, I'm glad somebody said it.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:24 PM (kqTPz)

87 Another good related topic would be sequels that no one thought would be made because the first film was such a piece of crap. For example, the two "Mannequin" movies. I have a strong dislike for cheeseball actor Andrew McCarthy.
Posted by: Slappy at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (BsrgJ)

The Substitute

Posted by: weirdflunky at June 15, 2019 08:24 PM (GwY6O)

88 >>Another good related topic would be sequels that no one thought would be made because the first film was such a piece of crap. For example, the two "Mannequin" movies. I have a strong dislike for cheeseball actor Andrew McCarthy.

Sex and the City 2, though I don't blame Kim Cattrall. We can thank her for mercifully killing the 3rd one

Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:24 PM (W+vEI)

89 This is a personal choice of mine, but...

I think I personally enjoyed Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom, more than I enjoyed Raiders Of The Lost Ark.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:24 PM (miE9U)

90 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was so much better than Star Trek the Motion Picture it's like they're nor even in the same series.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 15, 2019 08:25 PM (qc+VF)

91 78

Sequels better than the original? Aliens and T2. Don't misunderstand me: I love both originals and consider them to be ground-breaking classics. But in each case, the sequel built upon and improved the story. IMHO. YMMV. ..fritz..

Posted by: Fritzworth at June 15, 2019 08:21 PM (LuiNI)

Jeez, how did I forget T2? "The Terminator" was great but T2 took it to another level.

Posted by: Slappy at June 15, 2019 08:25 PM (BsrgJ)

92 And not a single mention of my great ape movies. Bah.

Posted by: Brian Dennehy at June 15, 2019 08:25 PM (EgshT)

93 68 Eris, man against the elements. Did you watch "The Day after Tomorrow"?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (6LZkj)
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Is this the Dennis Quade/Jake Gyllenhall movie? I had to look it up, had never heard of it.

Or was it that nuclear war movie?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:25 PM (kQs4Y)

94 Did I think Mad Max and the Thunderdome was better than Road Warrior? It's been a long time but I think I did.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 15, 2019 08:25 PM (JgA4k)

95 63 Just saw an ad. Apparently they're rebooting Beverley Hills 90210.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (+y/Ru)

--Shannen Doherty wasted her career on that show (although I'm sure it made her rich). She could have had a great comic actress career, instead of the Heathers/90210/Mallrats sandwich.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:25 PM (XAYDB)

96 Ugh...that bridge sequence though.
It's 30 minutes long and does virtually nothing to advance anything in the story.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:18 PM (OoEE

Oh, I don't know about that, I think it contributes bigly to the overall "aw, who gives a shit about anything?" nihilistic atmosphere that makes the movie what it is. Back in the days when the "hero vs. villain" narratives were being turned over upside down.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 08:26 PM (t4VPg)

97 Ugh...that bridge sequence though.

It's 30 minutes long and does virtually nothing to advance anything in the story.

I prefer For a Few Dollars More, to be honest.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:18 PM (OoEEx)

My dad has been a life long civil war buff, and he cannot stand to watch that, there are so many gross historical errors of every kind in that scene. Leone was trying to do a combo of WW1/Vietnam angst about the Futility of War (hey, it was 1966, all the cool kids were doing it) so he just HAD to throw that in.

The music, on the other hand - gawd I love that music!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKFpaCMRWgU

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:26 PM (V2Yro)

98 89 This is a personal choice of mine, but...

I think I personally enjoyed Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom, more than I enjoyed Raiders Of The Lost Ark.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:24 PM (miE9U

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I both love and hate how much I talk to you on these threads.

I kind of agree. Temple of Doom gets a bad rap. I don't think i would rate it higher than Raiders, but I definitely love it. It's different from the others of the original trilogy, but still good. Maybe even great.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:26 PM (OoEEx)

99 I've not seen John Wick 3 but if JW 2 had been made first there'd have been no sequels.

The first is way better than JW 2.

Posted by: weirdflunky at June 15, 2019 08:27 PM (GwY6O)

100 90 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was so much better than Star Trek the Motion Picture it's like they're nor even in the same series.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 15, 2019 08:25 PM (qc+VF)

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I have thoughts....

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:27 PM (OoEEx)

101

Man Bad.
Ape Good.
Mute Hottie Best.

Posted by: My pimp shot my dealer at June 15, 2019 08:27 PM (0yhec)

102 Also, I haven't seen any of the First Blood movies, but I think some people here might believe Rambo (full title: RAMBO: First Blood Part II) was better than the original.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:03 PM (miE9U)

Do you even 'Murcia, bro?

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 08:27 PM (Lktpy)

103

Isn't Bill Murray in some movie called Ember City, or something? It was pretty good for a kids movie.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:27 PM (kqTPz)

104 Yeah I thought T2 was great.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 15, 2019 08:27 PM (JgA4k)

105 69 TJM, I think the bridge scene in GBU was Sergio Leone's attempt to make the film topical and relevant to Vietnam. Didn't work though.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (miE9U)

--I have a DVD of that movie with commentary, and that is correct, sir.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:27 PM (XAYDB)

106 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was so much better than Star Trek the Motion Picture it's like they're nor even in the same series. /i]

This is most certainly true.

Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:28 PM (yQpMk)

107 He's not even James Franciscus
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:15 PM (CVHFl)

He's not even an Anthony Francioso.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:20 PM (kQs4Y)

Nor a Frances McDermond.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 08:28 PM (t4VPg)

108 Isn't Bill Murray in some movie called Ember City, or something? It was pretty good for a kids movie.
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 15, 2019 08:27 PM (kqTPz)

City Of Ember. It's pretty good. It also stars Saoirse Ronan who is a very good actress (Brooklyn).

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 08:29 PM (aS1PU)

109 The World World Z sequel coming out directed by David Fincher with Brad Pitt coming back will be very very good. Better than the 1st.

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 08:30 PM (Lktpy)

110 oj's oldest, I'll go see Rambo!! Don't strangle me bro!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:30 PM (miE9U)

111 TJM, we're bros on these threads :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:30 PM (miE9U)

112 98: Temple of Doom gets some minus marks because that blond was irritating. I think she got the part because her husband (or future husband) Spielberg directed the movie. I'm guessing they are divorced by now.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 15, 2019 08:30 PM (VhR1N)

113 Dr. Sleep looks like it will sodomize The Shining to death.

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 08:30 PM (Lktpy)

114 What was that movie Penny from the Big Bang Theory was in? Ape in a bikini or something

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 08:31 PM (vGYXT)

115 111 TJM, we're bros on these threads :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:30 PM (miE9U)

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We do both seem to have the same childish glee about movies.

It's honestly not a bad thing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:31 PM (OoEEx)

116 Another good related topic would be sequels that no one thought would be
made because the first film was such a piece of crap. For example, the
two "Mannequin" movies. I have a strong dislike for cheeseball actor
Andrew McCarthy.

Posted by: Slappy at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (BsrgJ)

Kristy Swanson was in the second one. Stupid movie, but she was absolutely gorgeous in it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:31 PM (CVHFl)

117 Dr. Sleep looks like it will sodomize The Shining to death.

I enjoyed the book but, again, Steven King doesn't know how to end a story.

Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:31 PM (yQpMk)

118 109 The World World Z sequel coming out directed by David Fincher with Brad Pitt coming back will be very very good. Better than the 1st.
Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 08:30 PM (Lktpy)

I'll be looking forward to it - I thought the 1st had incredible potential, but just dropped the ball.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:32 PM (V2Yro)

119 112 98: Temple of Doom gets some minus marks because that blond was irritating. I think she got the part because her husband (or future husband) Spielberg directed the movie. I'm guessing they are divorced by now.
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 15, 2019 08:30 PM (VhR1N)

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Met on set. Still married.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:32 PM (OoEEx)

120 The music, on the other hand - gawd I love that music!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKFpaCMRWgU

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:26 PM (V2Yro)

Holy crap. That's the real Ennio Morricone directing that orchestra!

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 08:32 PM (t4VPg)

121 TJM, please consider doing a thread one week on the best pro-life movies, whether made as intentional pro-life statements or not.

I love the relatively obscure 1967 (black and white!) Lynn Redgrave flick, Georgy Girl. It needs as much love as it can get, and it features Charlotte Rampling when she was a smokin' hottie.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:32 PM (miE9U)

122 He's not even James Franciscus
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:15 PM (CVHFl)

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Bravo!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 15, 2019 08:32 PM (EZebt)

123 Midnight Cowboy?

-
Sequel was 3 A.M. Regrets.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 15, 2019 08:33 PM (+y/Ru)

124 113 Dr. Sleep looks like it will sodomize The Shining to death.
Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 08:30 PM (Lktpy

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I watched that trailer twice.

1) Do I like this trailer?
2) Yes, I very much like this trailer.

I'm optimistic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:33 PM (OoEEx)

125 >>TJM, please consider doing a thread one week on the best pro-life movies, whether made as intentional pro-life statements or not.

Gattaca
The Island (Michael Bay one)
Bella

Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:35 PM (W+vEI)

126 121 TJM, please consider doing a thread one week on the best pro-life movies, whether made as intentional pro-life statements or not.

I love the relatively obscure 1967 (black and white!) Lynn Redgrave flick, Georgy Girl. It needs as much love as it can get, and it features Charlotte Rampling when she was a smokin' hottie.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:32 PM (miE9U)

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To be honest, I don't think of movies in terms of politics, so I'd need help putting that together. I could think of the original Alfie, off the top of my head, and little else. I suppose the Gosnell movie, but moviegique already did a post about that one last year.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:37 PM (OoEEx)

127 125 >>TJM, please consider doing a thread one week on the best pro-life movies, whether made as intentional pro-life statements or not.

Gattaca
The Island (Michael Bay one)
Bella
Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:35 PM (W+vEI)

--The Island could have been a great movie, but instead punted.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:37 PM (XAYDB)

128 Tampopo II: The Renoodling
King of Comedy: Pupkin's Revenge
The Fourth Man

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 08:38 PM (ed8K1)

129 Lizzy, thanks, I'll check those out.
TJM, fair points.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:38 PM (miE9U)

130 Oh yeah, after reading the fantastic novel "The Caine Mutiny" I of course had to rewatch the movie. Bogie is perfection as the tightly wound Queeg, and Fred MacMurray's Lt. Keefer is one of the great weasels of film. It could easily have been a three hour affair, and the director and writer wanted to include so much more of the book, but the producer insisted on a two-hour time limit to squeeze one more viewing at the theater.

I first saw it years ago at the insistence of a fellow petty officer who pointed out the similarities to a certain paranoid first class of our acquaintance. We both thought the lawyer's chastising the mutineers in the final scene was tacked on as a sop to appease the Navy, but in fact the layer's speech in the novel was even more blistering. While my aunt and uncle were being made into soap, and you kids were goofing off at Princeton, Captain Queeg was fighting the enemy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:38 PM (kQs4Y)

131 98 89 This is a personal choice of mine, but...

I think I personally enjoyed Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom, more than I enjoyed Raiders Of The Lost Ark.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:24 PM (miE9U

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I both love and hate how much I talk to you on these threads.

I kind of agree. Temple of Doom gets a bad rap. I don't think i would rate it higher than Raiders, but I definitely love it. It's different from the others of the original trilogy, but still good. Maybe even great.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:26 PM (OoEEx)

Holy crispy crap. I knew different opinions were always possible; I just did not imagine that they could be this different.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 08:39 PM (ed8K1)

132 128 Tampopo II: The Renoodling
King of Comedy: Pupkin's Revenge
The Fourth Man
Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 08:38 PM (ed8K1

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That King of Comedy sequel just got killed because of its release date less than a week after Columbine.

/sarc

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:39 PM (OoEEx)

133 Holy crap. That's the real Ennio Morricone directing that orchestra!
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 08:32 PM (t4VPg)

He was also booked to do a rearrangement of Shostakovich for the score to Leone's movie about the siege of Leningrad, which doesn't exist now that Leone died in our timeline

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (t+qrx)

134 Can we all agree that Halloween 3: Season of the Witch has nothing to do with the franchise?

Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (yQpMk)

135 >>--The Island could have been a great movie, but instead punted.

How so?
Being a Michael Bay movie, I was impressed it was infused with the pro-life message amidst the fast cars, comical sidekick, hot chick and explosions.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (W+vEI)

136 114 What was that movie Penny from the Big Bang Theory was in? Ape in a bikini or something
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 08:31 PM (vGYXT)
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Serial Apist.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (kQs4Y)

137 I really like the movie "Crank" as an action thriller. But I never got around to seeing the sequel(s). Wondering if anybody thought those were good? Ya know for what they are, high action non-academy award films.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 15, 2019 08:41 PM (r+sAi)

138 134 Can we all agree that Halloween 3: Season of the Witch has nothing to do with the franchise?
Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (yQpMk)

Somewhere out there is Joe Bob Briggs' perfect review of that abomination.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 08:41 PM (ed8K1)

139 Trailer Park Boys: Countdown to Liquor Day > The Big Dirty

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:41 PM (XAYDB)

140 The mention of Leningrad reminds me...

I recall reading at least a year ago or so, there was supposed to be a (Netflix?) movie or perhaps limited series of the script Stanley Kubrick himself wrote, of the movie he wanted to make and never did, Napoleon.

Wonder if the project is still in the works?

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:41 PM (miE9U)

141 135 >>--The Island could have been a great movie, but instead punted.

How so?
Being a Michael Bay movie, I was impressed it was infused with the pro-life message amidst the fast cars, comical sidekick, hot chick and explosions.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (W+vEI

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When it became nothing but car chases in its final act, it became something lesser.

Still, it's one of Bay's best movies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:42 PM (OoEEx)

142 Splunge, not a fan of Temple Of Doom?

Also, another sequel for ya:

Blair Witch 2: The One Where Something Actually Happens

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:42 PM (miE9U)

143 135 >>--The Island could have been a great movie, but instead punted.

How so?
Being a Michael Bay movie, I was impressed it was infused with the pro-life message amidst the fast cars, comical sidekick, hot chick and explosions.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (W+vEI)

--The movie in the end kinda shrugged about the cloning thing.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:43 PM (XAYDB)

144 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing? Mine is definitely Reds. Tons of hype around this movie, and it felt like a three hour committee meeting.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 08:43 PM (ed8K1)

145 107 He's not even James Franciscus
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:15 PM (CVHFl)

He's not even an Anthony Francioso.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:20 PM (kQs4Y)

Nor a Frances McDermond.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 08:28 PM (t4VPg)

He's not even a Dermott Mulroney!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:43 PM (kQs4Y)

146
How about sequels with none of the original cast in the second one.

What's New Pussycat (1965) had a sequel Pussycat, Pussycat I Love You (1970) with Ian McShane. I haven't seen it but understand it's jaw droppingly bad.

Alfie (1966) the classic with Michael Caine had a sequel Alfie Darling (1975) with Alan Price as Alfie. It was a disaster. It also started Joan Collins and Rula Lenska (for all of you Rula Lenska fans)

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:43 PM (CVHFl)

147 134 Can we all agree that Halloween 3: Season of the Witch has nothing to do with the franchise?
Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (yQpMk)

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Since I liked it more than 2, I disagree. 3 almost worked as a movie. 2 got no where close to working as a movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:43 PM (OoEEx)

148 But this has to be one of the greatest explanation of a evil act ever, except possibly 'No, I expect you to die, Mr. Bond.'

Do I need a reason? Mr. Kupfer was right, you know...I do love a good joke and this is the best ever, a joke on the children. But there's a better reason...you don't really know much about Halloween...you thought no further than the strange custom of having your children wear masks and go out begging for candy. It was the start of the year in our old Celtic lands, and we'd be waiting...in our houses of wattles and clay. The barriers would be down, you see, between the real and the unreal, and the dead might be looking in...to sit by our fires of turf. Halloween...the festival of Samhain! The last great one took place three thousand years ago, when the hills ran red...with the blood of animals and children.

Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:44 PM (yQpMk)

149 Ooooo, Rula Lenska!! ;-)

I know Johnny Carson made fun of her a lot back in the day.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:44 PM (miE9U)

150 Can we all agree that Halloween 3: Season of the Witch has nothing to do with the franchise?

Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (yQpMk)

It was about the Donovan song?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:44 PM (CVHFl)

151 Donovan's song "Season Of The Witch" is used to great effect at the ending of Nicole Kidman's early starring flick, "To Die For."

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:45 PM (miE9U)

152 142 Splunge, not a fan of Temple Of Doom?

No, not as such. It seemed to mock everything I loved about the first:

- Seriously irritating female lead, like we were supposed to hate women or something, after adoring Marian.
- Lurid unnecessary grossness.
- Irritating child sidekick with stupid name
- Inane plot

Also, another sequel for ya:

Blair Witch 2: The One Where Something Actually Happens

I forgive Blair Witch, actually. It was something that could be gotten away with, once, and now that has happened and no one gets to do that again. Execution was not bad. Even the ending was charming in its nothingness, in context.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 08:46 PM (ed8K1)

153 And speaking of, I loved how Dylan McDermott's nemesis in L.A. to Vegas was played by the actor he is always being mistaken for, Dermot Mulroney, whose nemesis was in turn played by Eric Dane.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:46 PM (kQs4Y)

154 >> What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing? Mine is definitely Reds. Tons of hype around this movie, and it felt like a three hour committee meeting.

Tarzan the Ape Man (that's the one with Bo Derek).
My HS friend thought the Tarzan actor was hot. He was, but that didn't make up for the shame of sitting through that baaaaad movie.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:46 PM (W+vEI)

155 Which movie has been remade by Hollywood the most times?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 08:46 PM (vGYXT)

156 someone mention James Coburn?

well, you got Our Man Flint and In Like Flint...

Best scene was the chain defib from light socket to victim!

In other news, Prometheus STILL sucks!

Posted by: Gooshy at June 15, 2019 08:46 PM (NR6n1)

157 Can we all agree that Halloween 3: Season of the Witch has nothing to do with the franchise?
Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men

The Exorcist 3 (with George C Scott) should have been called Legion, from the book. It is in many ways at least equal to Exorcist I. Spine tingling in many scenes.

However, in the book there was no exorcist so the studio suits demanded one be cobbled into the script. This movie could have been really good. It's still pretty good.

Posted by: Blutarski at June 15, 2019 08:46 PM (+Tibp)

158 Blair Witch Project is actually about the 2 guys pulling off the perfect premeditated murder of the girl and getting away with it. Watch it again and be prepared to have your mind blown.

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 08:46 PM (Lktpy)

159 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing?

The Thin Red Line.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (yQpMk)

160 To be honest, I don't think of movies in terms of politics, so I'd need help putting that together. I could think of the original Alfie, off the top of my head, and little else. I suppose the Gosnell movie, but moviegique already did a post about that one last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:37 PM (OoEEx)

Is the movie Juno pro life? I certainly wouldn't call it pro abortion. It may be neither.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (jp0Bv)

161 Shaft was a pretty good comedy marred by a confusing plot. Give it about a "B".

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (ykYG2)

162 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was so much better than Star Trek the
Motion Picture it's like they're nor even in the same series.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg
...............

gotta agree wholeheartedly..
It was much better entertainment than Star Trek the
Motion Picture.
The first one was a tribute to Gene Roddenberry.. and all the trekkers out there.. and plodded and plodded along.. it was quintessential Star Trek.. just not all that entertaining..
Wrath of Khan was awesome!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (438dO)

163 One thing everyone can agree on about Blair Witch Project is its innovation, in that it was one of the first flicks that used an online viral marketing campaign.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (miE9U)

164 TCM had an interesting movie on June 6. Just after The Longest Day they played the Brit movie from the mid 70s, Overlord. Some expert opined that while both movies were historically accurate (I guess that's true if you paint with very broad strokes), but very different. TLD was a big picture movie. Overlord was the very intimate story of a Tommy training and joining the invasion.

Overlord probably has more documentary/news footage than any other drama. The expert talked about how seamlessly the staged scenes meld with the news footage. That's true, I guess, if by "seamless" you mean phantasmagorical.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (+y/Ru)

165 Let me be clear - I don't give one flying fuck about any bullshit world where apes are supposed be equal to humans in intelligence.
For Christ's sake - what the fuck do think apes are - Democrats?

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (dn8lZ)

166 He's not even James Franciscus

Lighten up, Franciscus.

Posted by: Sgt. Hulka at June 15, 2019 08:48 PM (oVJmc)

167 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing?

Most recently Booksmart. If NPCs could write a movie, beyond just acting in one, that was Booksmart. I really really should have known better going in.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 15, 2019 08:48 PM (ykYG2)

168 137 I really like the movie "Crank" as an action thriller. But I never got around to seeing the sequel(s). Wondering if anybody thought those were good? Ya know for what they are, high action non-academy award films.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 15, 2019 08:41 PM (r+sAi)
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Crank II: High Voltage is epic! I haven't seen the first but I would bet this is one sequel that's better than the original.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:48 PM (kQs4Y)

169 Bilwis, IMHO Juno is very pro-life, although the writer (Diablo Cody) threw a giant screaming fit about that interpretation.

Hey, Diablo? Now that Juno is a movie, it doesn't really belong to you anymore. STFU about what you demand people think it's about, because you don't get to make that final determination.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:48 PM (miE9U)

170 Which movie has been remade by Hollywood the most times?

There are, what, three Ben Hurs. Maybe four.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 08:49 PM (yQpMk)

171 i liked Godfather II because of all the old sicilian stuff, but deniro ruins it for me now.

Posted by: 1/2 siciliano trapper's girl at June 15, 2019 08:49 PM (BQJef)

172 Overlord probably has more documentary/news footage than any other drama. The expert talked about how seamlessly the staged scenes meld with the news footage. That's true, I guess, if by "seamless" you mean phantasmagorical.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

I saw that! I was kinda surprised I'd never heard of it.

Posted by: Blutarski at June 15, 2019 08:49 PM (+Tibp)

173 There are, what, three Ben Hurs. Maybe four.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 08:49 PM (yQpMk)

The plural is "Bens Hur".

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 08:49 PM (t+qrx)

174 134 Can we all agree that Halloween 3: Season of the Witch has nothing to do with the franchise?

Posted by: Grump928(C) still crushless on other men at June 15, 2019 08:40 PM (yQpMk)

I agree 100%. As for that flick, I challenge anyone to not go on shooting spree after playing the Silver Shamrock song from that movie over and over repeatedly. For example, play this video, which is the song repeated over and over for 10.5 hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73URVRMZfo

Posted by: Slappy at June 15, 2019 08:50 PM (BsrgJ)

175 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing?

That would be Annie, but poon was on the line, so....

Posted by: Blutarski at June 15, 2019 08:50 PM (+Tibp)

176 And just for completeness' sake:

I watched the most recent Fantastic Beasts movie on the plane over here, and it was probably the worst big budget movie I've ever seen.

It's a jumbled mess of nothing with an attempt at story in the last 30 minutes or so. And it's no fun to watch either.

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177 163 One thing everyone can agree on about Blair Witch Project is its innovation, in that it was one of the first flicks that used an online viral marketing campaign.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (miE9U)

There is and never was any witch. It was part of the marketing campaign. It's a Edgar Allen Poe type murder horror story of the 2 guys slowly luring the girl to the place to murder her while terrifying her along the way. It's genius.

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 08:51 PM (Lktpy)

178 Some movies do repetitiveness and it works... others do it and it annoys the crap out of the audience.

One movie where IMHO it worked, is hearing the surveillance recording over and over again, in "The Conversation."

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:51 PM (miE9U)

179 How can you have a Halloween movie without Michael Myers?

Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 08:51 PM (yQpMk)

180 163 One thing everyone can agree on about Blair Witch Project is its innovation, in that it was one of the first flicks that used an online viral marketing campaign.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (miE9U)

--And there's J-ROC's epic The Bare Pimp Project.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:51 PM (XAYDB)

181 Re DeNiro, I'd bet he's so over-the-top screeching anti-Trump because he thinks it'll insure him against ending up #MeToo-ed.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:52 PM (miE9U)

182 Ever wait for your next Netflix DVD and they send you something from WAY down the list?

Today I got "A Quiet Passion", about Emily Dickinson. I'm sure it's lovely, but I'm not inn the mood.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:52 PM (kQs4Y)

183 170 Which movie has been remade by Hollywood the most times?

There are, what, three Ben Hurs. Maybe four.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 08:49 PM (yQpMk)

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The Front Page has got to be at least its equal.

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184 144 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing? Mine is definitely Reds. Tons of hype around this movie, and it felt like a three hour committee meeting.
Posted by: Splunge
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Adaptations.

*spit*

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at June 15, 2019 08:52 PM (adsVM)

185
How can you have a Halloween movie without Michael Myers?

Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 08:51 PM (yQpMk)

He was busy making Austin Powers

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 08:52 PM (CVHFl)

186 Overlord probably has more documentary/news footage than any other drama. The expert talked about how seamlessly the staged scenes meld with the news footage. That's true, I guess, if by "seamless" you mean phantasmagorical.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 15, 2019 08:47 PM (+y/Ru)

Oh yeah I stayed up and watched that, and everything you say about it is true, and I thought the historical footage was awesome, and the story about the Tommy was very personal, and compelling...

and finally comes D-Day, what you've been waiting to see for the whole movie, and he's on the landing craft, and the door drops down, and BANG - He's Dead. The End.

That was just about that all time Suckiest of Sucky Endings I have ever seen. I wanted to throw something at the TV set. It was like clicking on a link and finding Yoko Ono screaming at you when you don't expect it. Yeah yeah, yeah, a lot of guys died right off. That don't make it anything that anybody wants to sit through an entire movie to see.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:53 PM (V2Yro)

187 169 Bilwis, IMHO Juno is very pro-life, although the writer (Diablo Cody) threw a giant screaming fit about that interpretation.

Hey, Diablo? Now that Juno is a movie, it doesn't really belong to you anymore. STFU about what you demand people think it's about, because you don't get to make that final determination.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:48 PM (miE9U)

--Sheeeit, I still haven't watched Juno, since it was over-hyped (especially since I lived in Canada at the time) and Cody is a tatted-up skank.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:53 PM (XAYDB)

188 Grump, there's most likely more than 4 Ben-Hurs. It was made several times just during the silent era.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:53 PM (miE9U)

189 That would be Annie, but poon was on the line, so....
Posted by: Blutarski at June 15, 2019 08:50 PM (+Tibp)

I don't think "conned into seeing" in that way should count, or we'd be here all night. Conned into seeing because I thought it would be worth seeing? Crimson Tide.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 08:53 PM (t+qrx)

190 Crank II: High Voltage is epic!

They're both great stupid fun.
OD on RedBull to really feel the movie.

Posted by: DaveA at June 15, 2019 08:53 PM (FhXTo)

191 Can't wait for the Love Guru sequel. I wonder what is holding it up?

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 08:53 PM (ed8K1)

192 logprof, I saw Juno some time ago.
I thought it wasn't bad but not much to write home about.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:53 PM (miE9U)

193 There are, what, three Ben Hurs. Maybe four.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 08:49 PM (yQpMk)

The plural is "Bens Hur".
Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 08:49 PM (t+qrx)

And that, your honor, is when the Pedantic War began.

Posted by: tbodie at June 15, 2019 08:53 PM (zcuxU)

194 179 How can you have a Halloween movie without Michael Myers?
Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 08:51 PM (yQpMk

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By being the creator and imagining an anthology series of Halloween themed stories instead of a series of things centered around an uninteresting cipher of a monster wearing a William Shatner mask.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:54 PM (OoEEx)

195 The Front Page has got to be at least its equal."

A Star is Born.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 08:54 PM (V2Yro)

196 Splunge, send my regards to the Lollypop Guild! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:55 PM (miE9U)

197 I haven't seen any of the 3rd? wave of monkey pics. The idea just pisses me off somehow. Plus I'd like to see them do David Brin's Uplift chimps.

Posted by: DaveA at June 15, 2019 08:55 PM (FhXTo)

198 By being the creator and imagining an anthology series of Halloween themed stories instead of a series of things centered around an uninteresting cipher of a monster wearing a William Shatner mask.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:54 PM (OoEEx)
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Hey, I liked the even-numbered ones!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:55 PM (kQs4Y)

199 Not to be That Guy: But I did not like Aliens nearly as much as Alien. And I liked alien3 better than Aliens. Ain't seen Resurrection, but I also ain't eager to see it.

Alien was a horror flick. Aliens was an action flick. I am very meh on action flicks, in general.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 08:55 PM (SUV+r)

200 That would be Annie, but poon was on the line, so....

Yeah, I watched The Notebook to get laid. That's worth a thread in itself, what have you watched to get some?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 08:55 PM (fuK7c)

201 watched the most recent Fantastic Beasts movie on the plane over here, and it was probably the worst big budget movie I've ever seen.

It's a jumbled mess of nothing with an attempt at story in the last 30 minutes or so. And it's no fun to watch either.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:51 PM (OoEEx)

Is that a sequel to the 1st one? I enjoyed the first Fantastic Beasts. The main characters were well done and well cast.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 08:55 PM (aS1PU)

202 182 Ever wait for your next Netflix DVD and they send you something from WAY down the list?

Today I got "A Quiet Passion", about Emily Dickinson. I'm sure it's lovely, but I'm not inn the mood.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:52 PM (kQs4Y)

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Never. They just skip the stuff that's "Long Wait" until I download it, rate it, and remove it from the list.

Fellini Satyricon was the last to do that.

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203 Adaptations.

*spit*
Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at June 15, 2019 08:52 PM (adsVM)

OH

THIS

Saw it with my aunt and uncle. It had no reason to exist that I can explain.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 08:56 PM (t+qrx)

204 >>Which movie has been remade by Hollywood the most times

Maybe not the most, but a lot:
Romeo and Juliet
Pride and Prejudice

*Not literally, just the basic characters/storyline applied to all sorts of different settings

Posted by: Lizzy at June 15, 2019 08:56 PM (W+vEI)

205 TJM, have you had a chance to see Dragged Across Concrete yet?
I've heard it's halfway good but suffers from Michael Cimino disease, i.e., too much film, not enough story.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:56 PM (miE9U)

206 56 The zombie movie "The Dead Don't Die" somehow has Bill Murray AND Iggy Pop AND Tilda Swinton. I will of course see it ASAP.

Hell, yeah! Hub and I wanted to see it tonight, but it is not playing anywhere near us.

Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 08:57 PM (OX9vb)

207 201
Is that a sequel to the 1st one? I enjoyed the first Fantastic Beasts. The main characters were well done and well cast.
Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 08:55 PM (aS1PU)

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I did not like the first one, but i could see its charm.

The second one is garbage, through and through.

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208 Yeah, I watched The Notebook to get laid. That's worth a thread in itself, what have you watched to get some?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

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Deep Throat. Her idea.

She was a biter, scratcher and kicker. Dayum!!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 15, 2019 08:57 PM (2mqzK)

209 Alien3 was a big disappointment to me at the time, but upon later viewing, and appreciating it for what it is and not what I wanted it to be, I can say I like it. Charleses Dutton and Dance are terrific.

Having said that, I was really hoping Blomenkamp would pull off the sequel that begins right after Aliens. Alas, Ridley stomped that sucker flat.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:58 PM (kQs4Y)

210 I shared this last week, but I'll repeat it again today...

Now that we've had the big-screen splashy biopics of Freddy Mercury and Elton John, who should come next?

I would pay real money to see a biopic of Jim Croce.
BUT, I'll bet the next one will be about David Bowie.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:58 PM (miE9U)

211 Next week we should do the topic, movies that *should* have had a sequel but didn't.

Master and Commander. They have a store of 20 novels to work with, the movie did well enough to justify it financially, and it was nominated for best film. They chose to make two sequels to Beverly Hills Chihuahua instead.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 15, 2019 08:58 PM (ynUnH)

212 Yeah, I watched The Notebook to get laid. That's worth a thread in itself, what have you watched to get some?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 08:55 PM (fuK7c)

--The Notebook (unsuccessful)

March of the Penguins (successful)

Deja Vu (successful)

N.B. The latter two I liked, so maybe DC, but they were repeat viewings so I count them

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 08:58 PM (XAYDB)

213 205 TJM, have you had a chance to see Dragged Across Concrete yet?
I've heard it's halfway good but suffers from Michael Cimino disease, i.e., too much film, not enough story.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:56 PM (miE9U

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Not yet, but I am on the lookout for streaming options (I know Dolley won't like it). After Cell Block 99 and Bone Tomahawk, I'm looking forward to it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:59 PM (OoEEx)

214 Jim S, yeah, Hollywood producers aren't big on logic. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 08:59 PM (miE9U)

215 What is "Adaptations"? Can't find it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:59 PM (kQs4Y)

216 Master and Commander. They have a store of 20 novels to work with, the movie did well enough to justify it financially, and it was nominated for best film. They chose to make two sequels to Beverly Hills Chihuahua instead.
Posted by: Jim S. at June 15, 2019 08:58 PM (ynUnH)

They'd have had to ~~imprison~~sequester the cast and film them all for a decade straight.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:00 PM (t+qrx)

217 Swear to god, hands up. I gave my ex an old copy of Ben Hur I found in the attic. She said "It's a Book"?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 09:00 PM (6nE2G)

218 Even if no other human can verify it, I will swear to my dying day that I was once in a movie house, sometime after Aliens and before Alien III, and saw a very short trailer whose tagline was "Aliens: Now they're on Earth."

I can't swear that there was an alien coming out of a subway entrance, but I think maybe there was.

I still want to see that movie.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:00 PM (ed8K1)

219 Master and Commander. They have a store of 20 novels to work with, the movie did well enough to justify it financially, and it was nominated for best film. They chose to make two sequels to Beverly Hills Chihuahua instead.
Posted by: Jim S. at June 15, 2019 08:58 PM (ynUnH)

Idiocracy. What happened to the Pimp who came out of the freeze box right at the very end?

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:00 PM (V2Yro)

220 All Hail Eris,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation_(film)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 09:00 PM (miE9U)

221 155 Which movie has been remade by Hollywood the most times?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 08:46 PM (vGYXT)

Candidates:

The 3 Musketeers
A Christmas Carol

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 09:00 PM (t4VPg)

222 is there a hollywood drama that isn't fueled by revenge?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 15, 2019 09:00 PM (Pg+x7)

223 What is "Adaptations"? Can't find it.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:59 PM (kQs4Y)

Best I can recall, auteur wankfest meets Florida Man and the orchids of doom.

Did not enjoy.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)

224 >>> I'll bet the next one will be about David Bowie.

He seemed to be extremely private.

Velvet Goldmine, which was all about glam rock had no Bowie songs.

I'll bet it won't be.

Posted by: fluffy at June 15, 2019 09:01 PM (dCRRg)

225
qdpsteve
@ 178, agreed. love that movie.

Posted by: Gooshy at June 15, 2019 09:01 PM (NR6n1)

226 Guy Mohawk, my husband and I enjoyed all the Crank movies. You know, for what they are. We were entertained.

Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:01 PM (OX9vb)

227 I liked Fantastic Beasts well enough, but not enough to ever bother with any sequels.

I also liked Ted 2 at least as much as the first.

Also Brendan Fraser's Mummy movies. They are far and away better than the Indiana Jones movies.

*crop dusts thread while leaving*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:02 PM (SUV+r)

228 218 Even if no other human can verify it, I will swear to my dying day that I was once in a movie house, sometime after Aliens and before Alien III, and saw a very short trailer whose tagline was "Aliens: Now they're on Earth."

I can't swear that there was an alien coming out of a subway entrance, but I think maybe there was.

I still want to see that movie.
Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:00 PM (ed8K1

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I know that's been a promise for the Alien movies since at least the 3rd one. I know the early marketing in the 4th said that. I wouldn't be surprised by the 3rd, either.

The 3rd went through so many iterations, i would honestly be surprised if there wasn't an early trailer promising aliens on earth.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 09:02 PM (OoEEx)

229 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation_(film)

Ohhhhh.

Saw it. I was ambivalent about it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 09:03 PM (kQs4Y)

230 I love Aliens, but Alien is one of the greatest movies ever made. I must respectfully disagree.

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Seconded.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 15, 2019 09:03 PM (/Njku)

231 Cornholio versus the Martians badly needs a redo or a sequel...

Posted by: My pimp shot my dealer at June 15, 2019 09:03 PM (0yhec)

232 fluffy, I'd think a Hollywood flick of Bowie's life would be inevitable. Bowie hits all the current crowd of producers' bullet points: he was legendary, quirky (to say the least), incredibly talented, must have had at least a few incredible situations in his career, had a big comeback in the 1980s, and was of questionable/flexible sexuality.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 09:03 PM (miE9U)

233 --The Island could have been a great movie, but instead punted.

It's a Dodge commercial with ScarJo.

Posted by: DaveA at June 15, 2019 09:03 PM (FhXTo)

234 Gooshy, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 09:04 PM (miE9U)

235 The FSU-Arkansas game is a pitching duel.

Love it!

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:04 PM (XAYDB)

236 --The Island could have been a great movie, but instead punted.

It's a Dodge commercial with ScarJo.
Posted by: DaveA at June 15, 2019 09:03 PM (FhXTo)

The Island was one of two Michael Bay movies what doesn't suck.

The other being 13 Hours.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:05 PM (SUV+r)

237 Has there been a movie thread on what I guess you could call soliloquy movies? Not entirely accurate, but what I mean is movies where most of it just listening to one person talk. I've seen three that made an impression on me:

Moon. Truly great, see it if you haven't, robots don't count.
Phone Booth. A bit more conventional Hollywood, but still held my attention, even if I've never been tempted to revisit it.
And a third, which I don't remember the title of, but which was basically Tom Hardy driving home in his BMW or whatever, on the phone from time to time. Sounds really boring but was not.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:05 PM (ed8K1)

238 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing?

Mad Dog and Glory. Bill Murray, Uma Thurman, and bob deniro. The critics loved it.

The critics loving it should have been the tell. I went to go see it with my dad. After it ended, we agreed that 1) it was the worst movie we had ever seen (at least versus expectations); and 2) we both would have walked out if we were seeing it alone.

Posted by: Chuck C at June 15, 2019 09:06 PM (zCabI)

239 Splunge, one-person movies?

See Robert Redford's latest, "All Is Lost."

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 09:06 PM (miE9U)

240 Master and Commander is all about the toxic masculinity. No way in hell those books get another script. No strong men, rites of passage, and male bonding allowed.

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 09:06 PM (Lktpy)

241 Adaptation was so utterly forgettable because it was framed as a screenwriter's story and forgot rule #1 about screenwriters' stories: unless you're Barton Fink, your story is boring and nobody cares.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:06 PM (t+qrx)

242 The Island was one of two Michael Bay movies what doesn't suck.

The other being 13 Hours.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:05 PM (SUV+r)

--13 Hours was good. A decent successor to Black Hawk Down (which is mentioned in the movie).

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:06 PM (XAYDB)

243 I think the neighboring town is being shelled by artillery, or fireworks not really sure.

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2019 09:07 PM (BbGew)

244 Moon. Truly great, see it if you haven't, robots don't count.
Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:05 PM (ed8K1)

Loved this movie so much.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:07 PM (t+qrx)

245 I'd call Gravity with Sandra Bullock a soliloquy movie, and I thought it was pretty good.

Cast Away, with Tom Hanks, is mostly a soliloquy movie.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:08 PM (V2Yro)

246 Movie I saw that alledgedly everyone loved yet I hated; Big Night. Complete waste of time and money.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 15, 2019 09:08 PM (a4qVe)

247 Never saw any of the Halloween, Chuckie, Nightmare/Elm, BlairWitch movies. I must be provincial.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2019 09:09 PM (qBNEP)

248 237 Moon. Truly great, see it if you haven't, robots don't count.
Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:05 PM (ed8K1)

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*kicks dust sadly*
-HAL9000, the main character of 2001: A Space Odyssey

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249 The thing about Master and Commander is they didn't follow 1 book but used a few to get the story. Not that they couldn't do it again.

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2019 09:09 PM (BbGew)

250 Can 21St century writers rip off story's like they used too? I think so.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 09:09 PM (6nE2G)

251 Hot Tub Time Machine's Sequel is better. Both are funny, but the second (er...the third?) is funnier

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:09 PM (JziUy)

252 239 Splunge, one-person movies?

See Robert Redford's latest, "All Is Lost."
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 09:06 PM (miE9U)

Eew. Really? That guy who sends those catalogs to my house? I did like him in The Sting, but that was a while ago.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:09 PM (ed8K1)

253 Alien v. Aliens

Discuss . . .

Posted by: Sharkman at June 15, 2019 09:10 PM (7cCNF)

254 Blazing Saddles on the IFC channel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2019 09:10 PM (85Gof)

255 238 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing?

Tossup between Pathfinder and District 9.

Pathfinder had gorgeous cinematography, but wooden acting and I don't remember if there was a plot.

District 9, just ugh. Stupid concept all the way round, and setting it in Johannesburg was such an obvious SJW move.

Now. Favorite movie that no one else I know has ever seen? Man Bites Dog. French "documentary" of journalist who joins up with a serial killer to document his life. Haha!

Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:10 PM (OX9vb)

256 253 Alien v. Aliens

Discuss . . .
Posted by: Sharkman at June 15, 2019 09:10 PM (7cCNF

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We did the Alien series (the first 4) 2 years ago.

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257 Moon. Truly great, see it if you haven't, robots don't count.
Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:05 PM (ed8K1)

Loved this movie so much.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:07 PM (t+qrx)

"Moon" is a very good movie.

I found it on in an on-line article titled "7 must see movies that you never heard of". Also on the list was "In Bruge" and the Bill Murray "Steve Zizzu" movie which was a paradoy of Jaques Cousteau. They were enjoyable as well.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 09:11 PM (aS1PU)

258 Alien v. Aliens

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I'm gonna say, Aliens is basically in the top 10 movies ever and Alien was meh. so, yeah, that sequal wayns

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:11 PM (JziUy)

259 255 238 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing?

The Black Hole.

I thought it was going to be a good scifi movie. Gawd, it was horrible, with the most pathetic R2D2 ripoff in screen history.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:11 PM (V2Yro)

260 255 Now. Favorite movie that no one else I know has ever seen? Man Bites Dog. French "documentary" of journalist who joins up with a serial killer to document his life. Haha!
Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:10 PM (OX9vb

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I was gonna be snarky, but then you mentioned Man Bites Dog.

That movie is great, in the sort of, make you wildly uncomfortable on purpose, sort of way.

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261 238 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing?

The Last Jedi.

Fuck that movie. So glad I had taken a few hits off the flask I keep in my office.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:12 PM (SUV+r)

262 I thought it was going to be a good scifi movie. Gawd, it was horrible, with the most pathetic R2D2 ripoff in screen history.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:11 PM (V2Yro)

--Nobody does rip-offs like the Big Rat,

Don't get me started.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:12 PM (XAYDB)

263 255 238 What movie are you most embarrassed about being conned into seeing?

The Black Hole.

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that movie was one of those older movies that was on HBO literally every second in the early 80's. as a baby, it was gud.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:13 PM (JziUy)

264 The best Ape movie was the one with Ricardo Monteban.

When the Ape stole his Cordoba.

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:13 PM (ScThf)

265 District 9, just ugh. Stupid concept all the way round, and setting it in Johannesburg was such an obvious SJW move.
Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:10 PM (OX9vb)

I liked District 9 because I'd been following the project ever since Blomkamp released a proto-trailer "Alive in Joburg" to see if anyone would fund it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le3y0QlLjJE

It also had a live pig fired at a guy that blew them both through the wall of a shack and if you can't find something to love about that then I just don't know what to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0YQy8D460

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:14 PM (t+qrx)

266 By being the creator and imagining an anthology series of Halloween themed stories instead of a series of things centered around an uninteresting cipher of a monster wearing a William Shatner mask.

T.J. Hooker wasn't THAT bad.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 15, 2019 09:15 PM (oVJmc)

267
I thought it was going to be a good scifi movie. Gawd, it was horrible, with the most pathetic R2D2 ripoff in screen history.
Posted by: Tom Servo

It had TWO R2D2 ripoffs. Slim Pickens and Roddy McDowall.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2019 09:16 PM (aKsyK)

268 >>>Next week we should do the topic, movies that *should* have had a sequel but didn't.

silverado ! which happens to be ace's favorite movie.

Posted by: 1/2 siciliano trapper's girl at June 15, 2019 09:16 PM (BQJef)

269 It also had a live pig fired at a guy that blew them both through the wall of a shack and if you can't find something to love about that then I just don't know what to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0YQy8D460
Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:14 PM (t+qrx)

Now *that's* something you don't see every day.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 09:16 PM (aS1PU)

270 I also like District 9 - yeah, it was obvious with the social commentary, but that's what a lot of the best sci-fi is all about, all the way back to the morlocks and the eloi. If it's done well, it works, and I thought District 9 did it well.

And THAT is a movie I wanted to see a sequel to.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:17 PM (V2Yro)

271 Moon was wonderful, despite Kevin the Perv Spacey being the robot. Sam Rockwell is one of my all-time favorite actors, definitely in that "wait, he's in it? might need to see that one" category. He can be funny, and he can be creepy, often in the same movie.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:17 PM (SUV+r)

272 re: Alien vs Aliens, they're so different comparison isn't relevant, or even fair, imho.

And if you want aliens on earth, AVP and AVP: Requiem await you. Ignore the critics. If all you need is two monsters pounding the crap out of each other, it's a treat.
I, Gooshy, honorary Weirzbowski Hunter, have spoken.

Posted by: Gooshy at June 15, 2019 09:17 PM (NR6n1)

273

I'm watching The Avengers (the Emma Peel variety) the episode The Superlative Seven. It's a take on And Then There was None. Quite the cast - Donald Sutherland, Brian Blessed, Charlotte Rampling and the bald guy from Empire Strikes Back

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 09:17 PM (CVHFl)

274 270 I also like District 9 - yeah, it was obvious with the social commentary, but that's what a lot of the best sci-fi is all about, all the way back to the morlocks and the eloi. If it's done well, it works, and I thought District 9 did it well.

And THAT is a movie I wanted to see a sequel to.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:17 PM (V2Yro)

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Philosophically, one could say that the movie leaving you wanting a sequel is the perfect movie to not have a sequel,

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275 A lot of people don't know there was a sequel to 1969's True Grit, "Rooster Cogburn."

It starred both John Wayne and Katherine Hepburn, who I believe refused to speak with Wayne the entire shoot.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Well, if you've heard one "AhhhhaaaaaaAhhhhhaaaaaAAA"

You've heard 'em all.

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:18 PM (ScThf)

276 I have not seen a lot more movies than I have seen.

Sorry, that's all I got.

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 09:18 PM (sdi6R)

277 beavis and butthead do america was the pinnacle of modern cinema.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 15, 2019 09:18 PM (KP5rU)

278 T.J. Hooker wasn't THAT bad.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 15, 2019 09:15 PM (oVJmc)

Crow T. Robot voice: Hooker's a good cop!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:19 PM (SUV+r)

279 I met Freddie Kruger once in Laguna, he was in disguise as as Robert Englund

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 09:19 PM (6nE2G)

280 *flings poo*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 07:58 PM (kQs4Y)

That did not take long.
Posted by: tbodie

I'm glad I ducked.

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:19 PM (ScThf)

281 271 Moon was wonderful, despite Kevin the Perv Spacey being the robot. Sam Rockwell is one of my all-time favorite actors, definitely in that "wait, he's in it? might need to see that one" category. He can be funny, and he can be creepy, often in the same movie.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:17 PM (SUV+r)

Agree. I remember seeing some movie about kids working at a water park that I'd never have bothered with in a million years if he were not in it. It wound up being good. My brain wants to tell me it was called "The Way Way Back," after the station wagons of yore, but I'm not sure about that part.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:19 PM (ed8K1)

282 What's wrong with District 9's message, haterz?

If you don't accept all immigrants with loving, open arms, because we are all a nation of immigrants, then you will be blown up when they go home and complain to their overlords...or something. Plus, all their crime is just because you didn't give them enough welfare. And your culture is stupid and evil for making crime against the law and for not having that much welfare in the first place.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:19 PM (JziUy)

283 277 beavis and butthead do america was the pinnacle of modern cinema.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 15, 2019 09:18 PM (KP5rU)

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Compared to Captain Marvel, sure, but have you seen Duece Bigalo, Male Bigalo?

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284 OK, hogmartin, it's been a long time since I saw District 9. But this is what I remember thinking was ridiculous about it: there appeared to be no effort to reverse engineer the aliens' technology and try to understand them, which you know humans would do ASAP. We (humans) just put the aliens in concentration camps and feared them. And of course, set in Johannesburg, because white people are bad and hate The Other.

If aliens really came to earth, I think humans would do their best to make friends with them and try to share technology. That movie was a huge fail for me.

Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:20 PM (OX9vb)

285 284 OK, hogmartin, it's been a long time since I saw District 9. But this is what I remember thinking was ridiculous about it: there appeared to be no effort to reverse engineer the aliens' technology and try to understand them, which you know humans would do ASAP. We (humans) just put the aliens in concentration camps and feared them. And of course, set in Johannesburg, because white people are bad and hate The Other.

If aliens really came to earth, I think humans would do their best to make friends with them and try to share technology. That movie was a huge fail for me.
Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:20 PM (OX9vb

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There was a secret military base that did just that, and everything.

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286

Generally speaking, when it comes to World War II movies, the battle against the Nazis gets all the attention. The bulk of the classics, from Patton to Saving Private Ryan to Dunkirk, all deal with the war in Europe. But now, the Pacific Theater will be getting its cinematic due thanks to the upcoming blockbuster, Midway.

The film, from Independence Day director Roland Emmerich, will tell the story of the Battle of Midway. The three-day battle began on June 4, 1942, and when it was over, represented the Americans' first major victory over Japan. Woody Harrelson stars in the film as real-life Midway commander Admiral Chester Nimitz, along with an ensemble cast including Luke Evans, Patrick Wilson, Mandy Moore, Dennis Quaid, Nick Jonas, Aaron Eckhart, and Darren Criss.

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I guess no WW2 movies were made before Patton.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2019 09:22 PM (aKsyK)

287 srs tho, some haterz said that D9 was actually a based AF message since Blokamp is from South Afrika and he has no love for social justice and may actually not believe that diversity is our strength. And that the movie is a big fuck you to our betters that demand it be so. The movie ends with a shot to a well known building in South Africa. It was once nice and then got taken over and became a literal shit hole.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:22 PM (JziUy)

288 Logprof, you drinking yet? Nice K to get out of the inning there.

Posted by: Bert G at June 15, 2019 09:22 PM (OMsf+)

289 Compared to Captain Marvel, sure, but have you seen Duece Bigalo, Male Bigalo?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 09:19 PM (OoEEx)

I worked with a guy who thought Duece Bigalo was the funniest movie ever made. It was for good reason that I nicknamed him Private Pyle

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 09:22 PM (CVHFl)

290 283; no, i haven't.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 15, 2019 09:22 PM (KP5rU)

291 275 A lot of people don't know there was a sequel to 1969's True Grit, "Rooster Cogburn."

Hadn't heard of it? That's another one that, a few years ago seemed like it was on rotation on some cable channels every other week.

But I gotta say that Jeff Bridge's Cogburn was better than Wayne's - more true to who the character was supposed to be. Wayne is good, but he never plays any character other than John Wayne.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:23 PM (V2Yro)

292 Eris, man against the elements. Did you watch "The Day after Tomorrow"?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2019 08:19 PM (6LZkj)

The book was excellent.

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:24 PM (ScThf)

293 Generally speaking, when it comes to World War II movies, the battle
against the Nazis gets all the attention. The bulk of the classics, from
Patton to Saving Private Ryan to Dunkirk, all deal with the war in
Europe. But now, the Pacific Theater will be getting its cinematic due
thanks to the upcoming blockbuster, Midway.

The film, from Independence Day director Roland Emmerich, will tell
the story of the Battle of Midway. The three-day battle began on June 4,
1942, and when it was over, represented the Americans' first major
victory over Japan. Woody Harrelson stars in the film as real-life
Midway commander Admiral Chester Nimitz, along with an ensemble cast
including Luke Evans, Patrick Wilson, Mandy Moore, Dennis Quaid, Nick
Jonas, Aaron Eckhart, and Darren Criss.

Does Mandy Moore play the Jap dating Chuck Heston's son?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 09:24 PM (CVHFl)

294 If aliens really came to earth, I think humans would do their best to make friends with them and try to share technology. That movie was a huge fail for me.
Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:20 PM (OX9vb)

Agree. The whole thing about 'Muricans tying down the hapless alien and dissecting it alive is a tired meme. I bet we would actually be ecstatic that we are not alone in the galaxy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:24 PM (SUV+r)

295 Lefty political subtexts can be strange, in that it's hard to tell when one will get over your "Ok, this sucks" threshold.

I get why District 9 got over some people's threshold, but I managed to enjoy it a lot, it was so well-done, and I suspect that my lack of surprise that low-grade aliens would wind up in human-like ghettos was a factor.

Aliens was intended to have a lefty political subtext ("The Marines were ineffective, just like in Vietnam, man") but hardly anyone noticed it.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:24 PM (ed8K1)

296 Generally speaking, when it comes to World War II movies, the battle against the Nazis gets all the attention. The bulk of the classics, from Patton to Saving Private Ryan to Dunkirk, all deal with the war in Europe. But now, the Pacific Theater will be getting its cinematic due thanks to the upcoming blockbuster, Midway.

The film, from Independence Day director Roland Emmerich, will tell the story of the Battle of Midway. The three-day battle began on June 4, 1942, and when it was over, represented the Americans' first major victory over Japan. Woody Harrelson stars in the film as real-life Midway commander Admiral Chester Nimitz, along with an ensemble cast including Luke Evans, Patrick Wilson, Mandy Moore, Dennis Quaid, Nick Jonas, Aaron Eckhart, and Darren Criss.

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I guess no WW2 movies were made before Patton.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2019 09:22 PM (aKsyK)

--Mandy Moore?

Why is anyone but a European-American in the cast?

[Well, guess I better shut up before the obscure tranny black immigrant gets inserted at the last minute]

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:25 PM (XAYDB)

297 Jeff Bridge's Cogburn was better than Wayne's - more true to who the character was supposed to be. Wayne is good, but he never plays any character other than John Wayne.

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yeah, but the Coen brother's ending is a bit too much sad trombone while Wayne's version is maybe a bit too happy yay.

I, the Coen film, I did like to see one of the James brothers and the other one of Qantrill guys take Rooster in because they were all actually tight buds.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:25 PM (JziUy)

298 If aliens really came to earth, I think humans would do their best to make friends with them and try to share technology. That movie was a huge fail for me.
Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:20 PM (OX9vb)

They weren't the ones who made the technology, they didn't know how it worked and it was barely functioning. It took them what, ten years to get the suit and the command pod working? MNU was trying to reverse-engineer it, but it wasn't going well because it integrated with their biology.

So in the mean time, the aliens were just squatting around in their shanty town with their spaceship up on blocks. Remember at the beginning, the humans had to basically break in and rescue them because they couldn't even figure out how to open the door to their own ship.

That said, yeah, it's about refugee squatters in a shanty town, re-cast with aliens. But I don't know that it's trying to make any point about us or them besides plus ça change.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:25 PM (t+qrx)

299 288 Logprof, you drinking yet? Nice K to get out of the inning there.
Posted by: Bert G at June 15, 2019 09:22 PM (OMsf+)

--Yes.

I soooooo want Coach Martin to retire with a CWS win.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:25 PM (XAYDB)

300 Are there really any new stories?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 09:25 PM (6nE2G)

301 And of course, set in Johannesburg, because white people are bad and hate The Other.

I thought it was set in Johannesburg because it was an Indy film with a pretty small budget (which made the f/x they came up with really incredible), and they all lived in Johannesburg.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:26 PM (V2Yro)

302 I can't believe none of you losers has mentioned the greatest sequel of all time.

Christmas Vacation.

You all disgust me.

Posted by: Allen Fundt at June 15, 2019 09:26 PM (C1NyB)

303 300 Are there really any new stories?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 09:25 PM (6nE2G)

No, but that should not be any impediment to enjoying the retellings.

Posted by: Zombie William Shakespeare at June 15, 2019 09:26 PM (ed8K1)

304 Is the new movie gonna make mention of white privilage because we beat on the little yellow bastards?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2019 09:27 PM (85Gof)

305 --Yes.

I soooooo want Coach Martin to retire with a CWS win.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:25 PM

I want the Razorbacks out of the CWS, lol.

Posted by: Bert G at June 15, 2019 09:27 PM (OMsf+)

306

It's a Wonderful Life II - Potter Strikes Back

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2019 09:27 PM (aKsyK)

307 Oh please. Don't remake Midway.

The 1970s film, while certainly flawed, was good enough. I can't see how it can be done any better in 2019.

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 09:27 PM (sdi6R)

308 302 I can't believe none of you losers has mentioned the greatest sequel of all time.

Christmas Vacation.

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it wouldn't be christmas if it was so hooter ... er hot in here.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:28 PM (JziUy)

309 Go 'Noles!!!!

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:28 PM (XAYDB)

310 Oh, a website I enjoy that has funny rewritten scripts for movies:

Www.the-editing-room.com

The script for LotR: Fellowship of the Ring is a howler.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 15, 2019 09:28 PM (7cCNF)

311 Happy Father's Day to all Moron dads. And, I'm not going to comment on the Godfather series as I've already given my not-so-well-received opinion. Enjoy!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front, Boofing Chapter at June 15, 2019 09:28 PM (NjJUT)

312 i liked the remake of true grit. kim darby completely ruined the original. damn, she was annoying.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 15, 2019 09:28 PM (KP5rU)

313 Oh please. Don't remake Midway.

The 1970s film, while certainly flawed, was good enough. I can't see how it can be done any better in 2019.
Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 09:27 PM (sdi6R)

Rob Reiner is gonna have the Japs winning and subsequently killing PDT's father.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2019 09:29 PM (85Gof)

314 Annnd, Arkansas pulls their relief pitcher after 18 pitches and two on, no outs in the top of the ninth.

Posted by: Bert G at June 15, 2019 09:29 PM (OMsf+)

315 No new stories. Just the same stories with different bunting.

Human interaction is all about what is left unsaid.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:29 PM (SUV+r)

316 Oh please. Don't remake Midway.

The 1970s film, while certainly flawed, was good enough. I can't see how it can be done any better in 2019.

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 09:27 PM (sdi6R)

Now with more WOKE!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 09:29 PM (CVHFl)

317 I thought it was set in Johannesburg because it was an Indy film with a pretty small budget (which made the f/x they came up with really incredible), and they all lived in Johannesburg.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:26 PM (V2Yro)

Oh. All right, fine. Just fine, Tom.

Forget I said anything about this movie.

*stomps off.

Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:30 PM (OX9vb)

318 i liked the remake of true grit. kim darby completely ruined the original. damn, she was annoying.
Posted by: chavez the hugo

Glen Campbell was no day at the beach either. Robert Duval was nice though.

Posted by: Blutarski at June 15, 2019 09:30 PM (+Tibp)

319 The 1970s film, while certainly flawed, was good enough. I can't see how it can be done any better in 2019.

The thing that you come to appreciate is that however full of malarkey the 70s movies were, they still had the real shit lying around.

Wanna make a scene where Zeros go up against F4Fs? Well, we have some Zeros lying around, and some F4Fs. There was still so much usable surplus.

These days it would be CGI and fuck CGI.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 09:30 PM (fuK7c)

320 It is very funny to me that there can be a whole discussion thread that opens with Godfather II, and never, once, mentions that there is a Godfather III. That is probably as it should be.

In Harlen Coben's novels with his sports-agent protagonist, the main character and his friend trade movie quotes often. Godfather III is off limits, except for one quote:

"Every time I try to get OUT, they pull me back IN."

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:31 PM (ed8K1)

321 Ooooo, Rula Lenska!! ;-)

I know Johnny Carson made fun of her a lot back in the day.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Charlie Callas in his standup..

"Hi, I'm Rula Lenska"

"Who's Rula Lenska ?"

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:31 PM (ScThf)

322 And of course, set in Johannesburg, because white people are bad and hate The Other.

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but remember, it's always those other whites who live way out there, who are not smart and rich enough to send their kids to private schools. They're the ones who are bad and we should hate.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:31 PM (JziUy)

323 But now, the Pacific Theater will be getting its cinematic due thanks to the upcoming blockbuster, Midway.

-
There's also a similar movie coming out, Dauntless.

https://youtu.be/OnrL47mdOTg

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 15, 2019 09:31 PM (+y/Ru)

324 There is no way GII was better than the original. De Niro and Kirby play buffoons, like it's a Marx brothers movie and not the Mafia. Marlon's cat out acted both.

Posted by: neootter at June 15, 2019 09:32 PM (0x00j)

325 i liked the remake of true grit. kim darby completely ruined the original. damn, she was annoying.
Posted by: chavez the hugo

Glen Campbell was no day at the beach either. Robert Duval was nice though.
Posted by: Blutarski at June 15, 2019 09:30 PM (+Tibp)

Surprisingly, Matt Damon was good. I could actually watch him and not cuss at the movie.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 09:32 PM (aS1PU)

326 320 It is very funny to me that there can be a whole discussion thread that opens with Godfather II, and never, once, mentions that there is a Godfather III. That is probably as it should be.

In Harlen Coben's novels with his sports-agent protagonist, the main character and his friend trade movie quotes often. Godfather III is off limits, except for one quote:

"Every time I try to get OUT, they pull me back IN."
Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:31 PM (ed8K1

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The post never mentions it either, actually.

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327 Www.the-editing-room.com

The script for LotR: Fellowship of the Ring is a howler.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 15, 2019 09:28 PM (7cCNF)

Holy lol, John Wick:

INT. KEANU'S PAD
GRIM KEANU prepares for the obligatory wave of low-level goobers.

HIT SQUAD
Hey Keanu! We're here to help establish your signature fighting style for this movie. Perhaps some wuxia mixed with--

KEANU shoots them all IN THE FUCKING HEAD.

HIT SQUAD
(dead)
Well, that's direct.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:32 PM (t+qrx)

328 I like the new True Grit. Am big fan of Jeff Bridges.

John Wayne was an iconic American. I get that. But, the new one is my favorite.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:33 PM (SUV+r)

329

The new Shaft may just be hitting theaters this week, but there's already talk of a sequel. Can ya dig it?

The film is the fifth big screen outing for the ultra-cool detective, following Richard Roundtree's trilogy of Blaxploitation outings in the '70s and the Samuel L. Jackson-starring sequel/semi-reboot from 2000. The newest version, also a sequel, retcons the relationship between Roundtree's original John Shaft and Jackson's younger John Shaft, making them father and son rather than uncle and nephew like they were in 2000's Shaft. The new film also adds a third John Shaft, played by Jessie Usher, who is the son of Jackson's character and grandson of Roundtree's. Boy, when did Shaft get so confusing?

Whatever the current state of Shaft's family dynamics, current Shaft director Tim Story likes the direction the franchise is heading - and he's already expressed plans to bring all three Shafts back for another sequel. "I'd bring everybody back," Story said at the film's press day, according to CinemaBlend.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2019 09:33 PM (aKsyK)

330 IIRC, the 70s Midway reused a lot of footage from Tora, Tora, Tora!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 15, 2019 09:33 PM (oVJmc)

331 "Who's Rula Lenska ?"
Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:31 PM (ScThf)

I only knew her from some commercials she was in. I think they were shampoo commercials. They presented her as some well known movies start. That's why Carson used to joke about her.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 09:34 PM (aS1PU)

332 314 Annnd, Arkansas pulls their relief pitcher after 18 pitches and two on, no outs in the top of the ninth.
Posted by: Bert G at June 15, 2019 09:29 PM (OMsf+)

--'Noles get a run!

1-0

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:34 PM (XAYDB)

333 You say the ending of the Coen Bro's version of True Grit is sad trombone, but I think you miss the point of the scene, and of the story. People who were on the frontier in the 19th century were not like us, not at all. They were tough, they were hard, they had "true grit" - death came, tragedy came, and they took it and went on without batting an eye, because that's who they were.

When she is told that Cogburn just died after she had waited 25 years to see him, we would think that would be a tragedy. But she just says well, that's too bad, and goes on about her business, because that's who she is, and she would've expected Cogburn to act the same way if things were reversed. That's the point of the scene.

And it's not that she was cold - it's that you had to be that kind of person to even have a hope of surviving out on the frontier. Hard men, and hard women.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:34 PM (V2Yro)

334 I want them to remake that film where the Nimitz went back into history with f-14s and almost fought and destroyed the Japanese Fleet.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2019 09:35 PM (85Gof)

335 Me?

Waiting on the long-anticipated remake of...

Guy from Harlem.

muh-fuckas!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:35 PM (SUV+r)

336 1-0

And a runner at third. Nice sac fly.

Posted by: Bert G at June 15, 2019 09:35 PM (OMsf+)

337 Flowers again pulled from outfield to bullpen.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:35 PM (XAYDB)

338 John Wayne was an iconic American. I get that. But, the new one is my favorite.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:33 PM (SUV+r)

Me, too, but I hesitate to say so. Haha.

I like Jeff Bridges in it, and I love Hailee Steinfeld as Mattie, and I like the language. I even like Matt Damon, Lord strike me down. But his character is an ass, just like him, so it's ok.

Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:35 PM (OX9vb)

339 Old shaft v new shaft. What you talking about? Shaft

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 09:36 PM (6nE2G)

340 Rula Lenska was no Ruta Lee.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 15, 2019 09:36 PM (oVJmc)

341 319
The thing that you come to appreciate is that however full of malarkey the 70s movies were, they still had the real shit lying around.

Wanna make a scene where Zeros go up against F4Fs? Well, we have some Zeros lying around, and some F4Fs. There was still so much usable surplus.

These days it would be CGI and fuck CGI.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 09:30 PM (fuK7c)

Actually, the problem I remember about Midway is that they used some stock aerial footage of planes that had nothing to do with Midway, like Hellcats and Avengers and whatnot..

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 09:36 PM (sdi6R)

342 There's also a similar movie coming out, Dauntless.

Heh. Our Puma commented on that the other day. The planes are the wrong color, they're a pre-war grey. Also there aren't the right number of rivets, the cowling for the .50 cals is all wrong and....

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 09:36 PM (fuK7c)

343 329
Whatever the current state of Shaft's family dynamics, current Shaft director Tim Story likes the direction the franchise is heading - and he's already expressed plans to bring all three Shafts back for another sequel. "I'd bring everybody back," Story said at the film's press day, according to CinemaBlend.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2019 09:33 PM (aKsyK)

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1) everyone says that pre-release (see John Carter for reference)
2) It's not going to make enough money.

Verdict: no sequel for at least 5 years until IP becomes potentially profitable again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 09:36 PM (OoEEx)

344 silverado ! which happens to be ace's favorite movie.

Posted by: 1/2 siciliano trapper's girl at June 15, 2019 09:16 PM (BQJef)

A friend of mine was dolly grip (production crew) on that movie.He kept his production scripts for all the movies he crewed for. Gave me four of them.

Posted by: Grannymimi at June 15, 2019 09:37 PM (u5LFV)

345 Prospect is an enjoyable Sci-Fi, it's a low budget movie but you wouldn't know it. More like a Western than Science fiction

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 15, 2019 09:37 PM (dKiJG)

346 Chris Hahn squirting more nonsense from his penile cranium

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:38 PM (XAYDB)

347 Bertram Cabot Jr. @ 286--, I expect hollyweird to screw up Midway with their usual Americahate.......sad indeed because it is a great story about brave med doing what had to be done.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2019 09:38 PM (qBNEP)

348 283 277 beavis and butthead do america was the pinnacle of modern cinema.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 15, 2019 09:18 PM (KP5rU)

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Compared to Captain Marvel, sure, but have you seen Duece Bigalo, Male Bigalo?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today!

Harley Davidson and The Marlboro Man was pure theater!! It got robbed of a Grammy! (seriously, I do love this stupid movie. I don't know why)

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 15, 2019 09:38 PM (VhR1N)

349 The Final Countdown

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2019 09:38 PM (85Gof)

350 Actually, the problem I remember about Midway is that they used some stock aerial footage of planes that had nothing to do with Midway, like Hellcats and Avengers and whatnot..
Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 09:36 PM (sdi6R)

EXACTLY. They were either stupid or didn't care and put in any old footage they could get. There were shots of Corsairs in that movie. Just a sloppy job.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 09:39 PM (aS1PU)

351 I want them to remake that film where the Nimitz went back into history with f-14s and almost fought and destroyed the Japanese Fleet.

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The Final Countdown...only this time the Americans in the Nimitz force both Japan and the allies to become genderqueer advocates and force half the country to make their kids switch genders.

Also, muslim appreciation and Christianphobia.

Basically, what our grandparents were fighting for in the first place.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:39 PM (JziUy)

352 I think humans would do their best to make friends with them and try to share technology.

Failing that we'd steal their ship and eat them. Hopefully after the sex part.

Posted by: DaveA at June 15, 2019 09:39 PM (FhXTo)

353 yeah, instead of The Man in the Hightower, just do a version of the Final Countdown where we rebel against a future HR corporate overlord takeover of america by a division of woke marines being sent across time.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:40 PM (JziUy)

354 333; exactly. pussies were destroyed in the frontier.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 15, 2019 09:40 PM (KP5rU)

355 326 The post never mentions it either, actually.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 09:32 PM (OoEEx)

Well, yes, but a "The Second Time Around" post ought to exclude it, even it it had been great (which it was not).

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:41 PM (ed8K1)

356 I see the new Midway is partly filmed in Canada and about half the cast is UK/Canadian. Really tired of this trend.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 09:41 PM (kQs4Y)

357 MONSTRUM a Korean monster movie Or is it, something is killing the villagers and the Deepwoods in the King has ordered someone find out what is going on.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 15, 2019 09:42 PM (dKiJG)

358 354 333; exactly. pussies were destroyed in the frontier.

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ok, on one hand we have Wayne's version: everyone lives happily ever after together on the farm.

Coen version: girl loses and arm and becomes an old maid, Rooster is never heard from again, but he joined the circus with his old bankrobbing buddies.

I think we could've found a slightly happier version that would be true to our forefather's super gritty shitty lives while also being entertaining for the fans.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:42 PM (JziUy)

359 The best part of Final Countdown was where one of the guys gets stuck on one of the Carriers and stays in 1941. When the other guys land back in modern times, they get out and see some mega-rich mofo in a limo being driven up to greet them...

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:42 PM (V2Yro)

360 And it's not that she was cold - it's that you had to be that kind of person to even have a hope of surviving out on the frontier. Hard men, and hard women.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:34 PM (V2Yro)

That's how I saw it, too. Even so, still had to have manners. "Don't stand up, trash."

Posted by: April at June 15, 2019 09:42 PM (OX9vb)

361 How many people would donate $5 to just blow Joe Buck Up forever?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 09:43 PM (6nE2G)

362 354 333; exactly. pussies were destroyed in the frontier.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 15, 2019 09:40 PM (KP5rU)

How do I get to this "frontier?"

Posted by: Sandra Fluck at June 15, 2019 09:43 PM (ed8K1)

363 Joe Buck reminds me...

Did anyone here ever see David Spade's flick, Joe Dirt?

It was I think supposed to be a comedy that celebrated all us deplorables, but ended up not really working.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 09:44 PM (miE9U)

364 Bert G, you cheering for Vandy???

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:45 PM (XAYDB)

365 Tinfoilbaby I offer $100 to blow up the insufferable Joe Buck

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 15, 2019 09:45 PM (a4qVe)

366 Sounds like more FSU fans in Omaha than Hogs fans.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:46 PM (XAYDB)

367 I see the new Midway is partly filmed in Canada and about half the cast is UK/Canadian. Really tired of this trend.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 09:41 PM (kQs4Y)

Well they can't film in georgia after all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2019 09:46 PM (85Gof)

368 356 I see the new Midway is partly filmed in Canada and about half the cast is UK/Canadian. Really tired of this trend.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 09:41 PM (kQs4Y)

At the movie's climactic battle, the dive bomber group's commander yells "Ram it home girls, eh!"

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 09:46 PM (sdi6R)

369 Bert G, you cheering for Vandy???

Hell no, fuck Vandy and especially fuck the Vandy Whistlers.

I'm pulling for my alma mater, Mississippi State.

Posted by: Bert G at June 15, 2019 09:46 PM (OMsf+)

370 Coen version: girl loses and arm and becomes an old maid, Rooster is never heard from again, but he joined the circus with his old bankrobbing buddies. "

I think the Coen version was the actual Novel version. And they were really his old Confederate buddies, which gets into some of the territory explored by the Outlaw Josie Wales.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:47 PM (V2Yro)

371 Rula Lenska was no Ruta Lee.

And Ruta Lee was no Peggy Lee.

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:47 PM (ScThf)

372 JT's got a Fever...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 09:48 PM (miE9U)

373 Hey hogmartin.. thank you.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 15, 2019 09:48 PM (dUJdY)

374 Flowers K!!!

FSU FTW!!!

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:48 PM (XAYDB)

375 Peggy Lee was DEFINITELY not Bruce Lee

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 15, 2019 09:48 PM (a4qVe)

376 StarkVegas baby!

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 09:48 PM (Lktpy)

377 Whoa - per Wiki: "In February 2019, James Cameron stated that he was working on reviving Blomkamp's project."

https://tinyurl.com/y25brftg

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 09:48 PM (kQs4Y)

378 Hey hogmartin.. thank you.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 15, 2019 09:48 PM (dUJdY)

Thank you

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:48 PM (t+qrx)

379 right, the james brother and the other guy were real folks who also rode with Captain Quantrill who Rooster rode with in the Civil War.

Captain of what? you may ask...well, don't ask Rooster, I tell you what.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 15, 2019 09:48 PM (JziUy)

380 I saw Pompous & Erudite open for Seals & Crofts at the Greek in '82.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 15, 2019 09:49 PM (9SkN+)

381 328 I like the new True Grit. Am big fan of Jeff Bridges.

John Wayne was an iconic American. I get that. But, the new one is my favorite.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 09:33 PM (SUV+r

My favorite as well.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 15, 2019 09:49 PM (t4VPg)

382 Hotel Mumbai is really a must see very riveting they pulled no punches just showed Terrorists just going around shooting all the Hotel guest is just heartbroking. The movie hints that the Indian government was woefully unprepared it and the cops that did go into to the hotel room were very brave.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 15, 2019 09:49 PM (dKiJG)

383 Old shaft v new shaft. What you talking about? Shaft

I'm Gonna Get U Sucka FTW !

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:49 PM (ScThf)

384 And Peggy Lee was no Sara Lee.

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 09:49 PM (sdi6R)

385 383 Old shaft v new shaft. What you talking about? Shaft

I'm Gonna Get U Sucka FTW !
Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:49 PM (ScThf)

Funny movie for sure.

Posted by: Splunge at June 15, 2019 09:50 PM (ed8K1)

386 Nobody doesn't love Sara Lee, except probably Little Debbie.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 15, 2019 09:50 PM (9SkN+)

387 I just can't like any Planet of the Apes stuff because it just doesn't make sense. Not a bit of it. I don't mean scientifically, I mean a population of like 7000 apes wiping out 7 BILLION human beings with superior weapons, tactics, experience, history, and networks. Plus... they're freaking chimpanzees and I just don't like 'em. And we're suppose to root against our own species?? At least the first film was a lesson about self destructiveness and an interesting sci fi twist: coming home to a planet where monkeys are in charge and humans are rare brutes.

As for better sequels: House 2 (Brought up yesterday) decides not to take its silly premise seriously and is a roaring lot of fun.

Star Trek 2 was better than 1, even though 1 is better than people give it credit for.

Empire Strikes Back, of course

Road Warrior, but its a very close race with Mad Max

Evil Dead II, although that's pretty much a remake

Blade 2, but again very close

Spider-Man 2

The Dark Knight

Iron Man 2. I know some people hated it but it was a better comic book movie and overall story.

Hot Shots Part Deux: first one was kinda fun, second one was gut busting hilarious

End Game sucked less than Infinity war, but those are parts 3 and 4 of a series so it doesn't really count

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:51 PM (39g3+)

388 Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:34 PM (V2Yro)

Alternatively, the Coen Brothers trademark is making movies that have dark and depressing endings, and decided it would be no biggie if they rip out the soul of the movie as long as it builds their own brand. So the main characters don't end up having positively contributed to the other's growth and instead we get "bleak nihilism is just soooo cooool duuuuude"

Posted by: Sjg at June 15, 2019 09:51 PM (gDSJf)

389 Holy fuck Rambo 3 ages worse than AOC and moar terrible.

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 09:51 PM (Lktpy)

390 StarkVegas baby!

Hail Mf'in State!

Posted by: Bert G at June 15, 2019 09:51 PM (OMsf+)

391 How about a thread dedicated to sequels that blew chunks compared to the original. That could last for a couple of months. The body count would be phenomenal. I'll start it off. Caddyshack was far superior to Caddyshack II. Jackie Mason couldn't hold Rodney Dangerfield's scrotum. And Dan Aykroyd was a shitty Bill Murray.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 15, 2019 09:51 PM (m79Dg)

392 Well they can't film in georgia after all
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Why not ?

Cannibal Bob went canoeing in Arizona.

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:51 PM (ScThf)

393 The Movie Thread

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 15, 2019 09:52 PM (U2TY5)

394 The Dark Knight was the sequel to Fight Club from the Joker's POV.

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 09:52 PM (Lktpy)

395 Try explaining to your ex that Stephen King wrote Stand by Me. And the Running Man, and my co.....

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 15, 2019 09:52 PM (6nE2G)

396 Have any of you guys ever seen The Horn Blows at Midnight ?

Its a guilty pleasure of mine.

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:52 PM (ScThf)

397 I know that's been a promise for the Alien movies since at least the 3rd one. I know the early marketing in the 4th said that. I wouldn't be surprised by the 3rd, either.

The 3rd went through so many iterations, i would honestly be surprised if there wasn't an early trailer promising aliens on earth.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 09:02 PM (OoEEx)

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Yeah, I remember the original trailer for Alien 3, and as luck would have it, it's on the youtubes.

youtube.com/watch?v=Bk_x9W1xKng

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (/Njku)

398 382 Hotel Mumbai is really a must see very riveting they pulled no punches just showed Terrorists just going around shooting all the Hotel guest is just heartbroking. The movie hints that the Indian government was woefully unprepared it and the cops that did go into to the hotel room were very brave.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 15, 2019 09:49 PM (dKiJG)

--Saw a doc about the Black Cats, the Indian special forces who finally made the Koranimal terrorists get got.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (XAYDB)

399 the key to Final Countdown is the doggeh.

for more navy time travel, see The Philadelphia Experiment.

Posted by: Gooshy at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (NR6n1)

400 And Peggy Lee was no Sara Lee.
Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 09:49 PM (sdi6R)

Nor Sandra Lee, who once made a Kwanzaa cake, dated Andrew Cuomo, and has been shithammered on the Food Network 24/7 for over a decade.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (t+qrx)

401 jeff bridges campaigned for jon tester. enough said.

Posted by: 1/2 siciliano trapper's girl at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (BQJef)

402 "Given a second two-hour timeframe to tell a story in the same universe with the same characters"

Or, a previous tv show. Like Firefly/Serenity.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (p+uA1)

403 I always enjoyed House 2, Didn't they make friends with the Ghosts haunting it and one was their Great Grandpa?

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (dKiJG)

404 Have any of you guys ever seen The Horn Blows at Midnight ?

Its a guilty pleasure of mine.
Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:52 PM (ScThf)

Jack Benny! Good movie.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (aS1PU)

405 396 Have any of you guys ever seen The Horn Blows at Midnight ?

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I saw the pr0n version. The title was similar.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (9SkN+)

406 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:51 PM (39g3+)

--Way to crib my comment, CRT!

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (XAYDB)

407 John Wayne was an iconic American. I get that. But, the new one is my favorite.

Both versions are equally great for different versions in my mind. I love em both and watch either any time I can.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (39g3+)

408 I watched an '80s Burt Reynolds movie, Stick. Part of the plot concerns some bigshot cocaine cowboys trying to invest in a legitimate business, movie producing. Unfortunately, the producer they are considering is only slightly less a crook than they. Apparently to make him look ridiculous, the screenwriters have him hyping his magnum opus The Cowboy and the Alien. It's funny because decades later Cowboys and Aliens was a pretty big hit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 15, 2019 09:54 PM (+y/Ru)

409 Good post, TJM. Well done.

I refused to watch the Apes movie. Mostly on moral grounds, same as when I refused to watch "Enemy at the Gates".

In the latter case, I just refuse to root for commies or Nazis. I hate any movie that makes me like either (looking at you, Inglorious Basterds).

In the former, the ending is a forgone conclusion: the apes are going to win. And I refuse to watch that happen. I am a human-ist. I root for my species.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 15, 2019 09:54 PM (xJa6I)

410 387 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:51 PM (39g3+)

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The new apes movies aren't about a few apes dominating billions of humans. The first new one is about a couple dozen escaping from modern day San Francisco.

And it's not about cheering on apes against humans, is about both evil and good being on both sides of conflicts.

Or, you know, you could just shit on movies you haven't seen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 09:54 PM (OoEEx)

411

The Japs sink the Nimitz in The Final Final Countdown.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2019 09:54 PM (aKsyK)

412 Way to crib my comment, CRT!

High five on your choices.

I agree with you on the Island as well, they missed a lot of opportunities to be thought provoking and interesting and just became a meh action film.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:55 PM (39g3+)

413 Full Moon tonight - just saw it rising. Lock up the Werewolves!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 09:56 PM (V2Yro)

414 I watched an '80s Burt Reynolds movie, Stick

Based on an Elmore Leonard book.

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:56 PM (ScThf)

415 Or, you know, you could just shit on movies you haven't seen.

Saw them both. Tell me how these movies are headed and that the apes don't conquer the world. Somehow. And how the humans aren't almost universally scum you are supposed to root against except the cute little girl. Try it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:56 PM (39g3+)

416 Rula Lenska was no Ruta Lee.

And Ruta Lee was no Peggy Lee.

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:47 PM (ScThf)

Who was no Christopher Lee

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 09:56 PM (CVHFl)

417

--Saw a doc about the Black Cats, the Indian special forces who finally made the Koranimal terrorists get got.
Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:53 PM (XAYDB)

Going to have to look for it.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 15, 2019 09:57 PM (dKiJG)

418 I agree with you on the Island as well, they missed a lot of opportunities to be thought provoking and interesting and just became a meh action film.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:55 PM (39g3+)

--Thank you.

That was the point I wanted to make: Stop with the 'splodies, and comment on the actual theme of the movie.

Posted by: logprof at June 15, 2019 09:57 PM (XAYDB)

419 Rula Lenska was no Ruta Lee.

And Ruta Lee was no Peggy Lee.
Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:47 PM (ScThf)

Who was no Christopher Lee
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 09:56 PM (CVHFl)

Pfft.

Posted by: Lee Marvin at June 15, 2019 09:58 PM (t+qrx)

420 415 Or, you know, you could just shit on movies you haven't seen.

Saw them both. Tell me how these movies are headed and that the apes don't conquer the world. Somehow. And how the humans aren't almost universally scum you are supposed to root against except the cute little girl. Try it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:56 PM (39g3+)

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There are 3.

Koba starts the fight, an ape.

The Colonel is trying to protect the human race.

Sometimes stories are not literal, but metaphor instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 09:58 PM (OoEEx)

421 Who was no Christopher Lee

Who was no Christopher George

Who came out as Lynda Day George

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:58 PM (ScThf)

422 In the former, the ending is a forgone conclusion: the apes are going to win. And I refuse to watch that happen. I am a human-ist. I root for my species.

Exactly. The purpose of these films is to dramatize how we got to the point where Charlton Heston yells about how we did while staring at the ruined Statue of Liberty. And we're supposed to root for that and be sympathetic toward the apes???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:58 PM (39g3+)

423 The Sara Lee I was thinking of plays bass and has played with lots of good musicians and groups. I can't find a YouTube video that highlights her, though. As a bass player she's mostly in the background and only appears in brief shots.

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 10:00 PM (sdi6R)

424 Who was no Christopher Lee

Who was no Christopher George

Who came out as Lynda Day George
Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 09:58 PM (ScThf)

In the end, all of this name riffing will end up at Dewitt Bisbee. Always.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 10:00 PM (aS1PU)

425 Sometimes stories are not literal, but metaphor instead.

I know you're aware that I know this.

I also know that you're aware that these are action flicks about smart chimpanzees.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 10:00 PM (39g3+)

426 Well since the apes are literally Val Jar clones, I pop extra corn and root for whitey.

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 10:00 PM (Lktpy)

427 422 In the former, the ending is a forgone conclusion: the apes are going to win. And I refuse to watch that happen. I am a human-ist. I root for my species.

Exactly. The purpose of these films is to dramatize how we got to the point where Charlton Heston yells about how we did while staring at the ruined Statue of Liberty. And we're supposed to root for that and be sympathetic toward the apes???
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:58 PM (39g3+)

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Do you have to root for a side in a story?

That's weird. Sometimes it's a balance between needs and an unfortunate conflict that arises.

Or, you know, 'humans good, everyone else bad'.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 10:00 PM (OoEEx)

428 So the main characters don't end up having positively contributed to the other's growth and instead we get "bleak nihilism is just soooo cooool duuuuude"

I see it as the Main Characters didn't want or need to "Grow" at all. They were complete in themselves right from the start - the movie is an examination of who they were, and we can reflect on how different they were from us.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 10:00 PM (V2Yro)

429 Caddyshack was far superior to Caddyshack II. Jackie Mason couldn't hold Rodney Dangerfield's scrotum. And Dan Aykroyd was a shitty Bill Murray.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male
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Pfft. 'Gone With the Wind II', or 'Scarlett', or 'Second Wind'

Really, I mean someone thinks something *not* written by Margaret Mitchell, and with pretenders filling the roles of Vivian Leigh and Clark Gable is gonna be a hit?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 15, 2019 10:01 PM (U2TY5)

430 I'm watching yoo-toobz vidyuhs of Mike Tyson beating the shit out of often larger men.

Fooker was the hardest hitter I've ever seen.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 10:01 PM (SUV+r)

431 The Sara Lee I was thinking of plays bass and has played with lots of good musicians and groups. I can't find a YouTube video that highlights her, though. As a bass player she's mostly in the background and only appears in brief shots.
Posted by: rickl

I read that as "only appears in brief shorts"

Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 10:01 PM (ScThf)

432 425 Sometimes stories are not literal, but metaphor instead.

I know you're aware that I know this.

I also know that you're aware that these are action flicks about smart chimpanzees.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 10:00 PM (39g3+)

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Seems to me like you refuse to look below the surface if a story doesn't meet your preconceived surface level notions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 10:02 PM (OoEEx)

433 Gator was the better sequel. And I'm very disappointed in everybody for not discussing this fact in evidence earlier.

Posted by: oj's oldest son with a long history of violence and acting stabby at June 15, 2019 10:02 PM (Lktpy)

434 I read that as "only appears in brief shorts"
Posted by: JT at June 15, 2019 10:01 PM (ScThf)

*perks up*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 15, 2019 10:02 PM (xJa6I)

435 I'm watching yoo-toobz vidyuhs of Mike Tyson beating the shit out of often larger men.

Fooker was the hardest hitter I've ever seen.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Dullard at June 15, 2019 10:01 PM (SUV+r)

His bite was worse than his punch.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 15, 2019 10:02 PM (aS1PU)

436 Fooker was the hardest hitter I've ever seen.

I'm no expert in boxing but from what I have read he wasn't much of a boxer, he just hit like a freight train and he didn't really face good boxers for most of his career. They put him up against bruisers and he crushed them until he faced a real boxer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 10:03 PM (39g3+)

437 I remember watching Planet of the Apes in a movie theater smoking a Winston.

When we lived in a free country run by adults.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 15, 2019 10:04 PM (Z+IKu)

438 My favorite takeoff on the Mutants under the City theme from Beneath the Planet of the Apes: Fry and Leela are walking in the ruins of old New York, underneath New New York, and the meet the mutants who live there, and the mutant shows them their church with the bomb in it.

Fry: ''WOW that is so cool!!! You mean you really have an atomic bomb that you worship as a god????"

Mutant: "Well yeah, but it's mostly a C and E thing now."

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 15, 2019 10:04 PM (V2Yro)

439 C.R. Taylor @ 422- It's like this, the apes are a.......metaphor......for some other...group of primitives. I think primitives didn't make the cut because they were primitives. And they are still around.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2019 10:04 PM (qBNEP)

440 121: I loved that film, and most James Mason work. The Charlotte Rampling character was pretty evil, but it was overall very good and dealt with a burgeoning irresponsibility of culture.

Posted by: CN at June 15, 2019 10:05 PM (U7k5w)

441 Exactly. The purpose of these films is to dramatize
how we got to the point where Charlton Heston yells about how we did
while staring at the ruined Statue of Liberty. And we're supposed to
root for that and be sympathetic toward the apes???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 09:58 PM (39g3+)

Rod Serling helped write the first Planet of the Apes movie script. I like the movie but had some preachy lefty shit in it and had very little in common with the book

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2019 10:05 PM (CVHFl)

442 Seems to me like you refuse to look below the surface if a story doesn't meet your preconceived surface level notions.

Look you can read whatever you choose into anything but these guys are not trying to make thought provoking philosophical art. They're making action movies with CGI about apes and monkeys who got smart, based on the pitch of: lets tell the story of how things got there!

(except the original premise was that humanity wiped its self out with nukes or some such thing and apes evolved to take that niche).

If you want it to mean more, fine. I am probably biased by just thinking chimpanzees are ugly, nasty things that should be kept as far away from me as possible.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 10:05 PM (39g3+)

443 ONT

Posted by: Bert G at June 15, 2019 10:06 PM (OMsf+)

444 This might be contraversial, but I think maybe the Exorcist 3 is better than the first one.

I'm not trying to take anything away from The Exorcist, it's a very fine movie. But some of the scenes in Exorcist 3 scared me far more than a profane pre-teen girl.

And it had George C Scott in it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 15, 2019 10:07 PM (xJa6I)

445 If you want it to mean more, fine. I am probably biased by just thinking chimpanzees are ugly, nasty things that should be kept as far away from me as possible.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Oh, I don't know, that morning thread chimp seems pretty cool.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 15, 2019 10:07 PM (/dN1M)

446 Charlotte Rampling was smokin hot in the 60's.

Posted by: Gooshy at June 15, 2019 10:07 PM (NR6n1)

447 446: Hence the perfect opposite of Lynn Redgrave

Posted by: CN at June 15, 2019 10:10 PM (U7k5w)

448 OK, the B-52s "Love Shack" video is the best one I can find featuring Miss Sara Lee on bass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOryJvTAGs

It's a music video, so that's kind of like a movie, isn't it?

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2019 10:10 PM (sdi6R)

449 442 Seems to me like you refuse to look below the surface if a story doesn't meet your preconceived surface level notions.

Look you can read whatever you choose into anything but these guys are not trying to make thought provoking philosophical art. They're making action movies with CGI about apes and monkeys who got smart, based on the pitch of: lets tell the story of how things got there!

(except the original premise was that humanity wiped its self out with nukes or some such thing and apes evolved to take that niche).

If you want it to mean more, fine. I am probably biased by just thinking chimpanzees are ugly, nasty things that should be kept as far away from me as possible.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 10:05 PM (39g3+)

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Have you heard off suspension of disbelief?

I hear time and time again about stuff like Dune where the author's intent means nothing once it reaches the world, but when it comes to something someone doesn't already love before they hear the "bad news" that the creator disagrees with then politically then author intent means everything.

I have yet to hear one word from Matt Reeves about how his movies are about dirty conservatives, but i have heard plenty from Frank Herbert about what Dune means. The former lack of message apparently means more than the latter's explicit intent of message.

What has Reeves said that said the monkeys winning is an indictment on humanity?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 10:11 PM (OoEEx)

450 They put him up against bruisers and he crushed them until he faced a real boxer.

No, Buster Douglas wasn't a real boxer, he just had the fight of his life. His mom had just died, I think, and he went wild.

A lot of what Tyson had was an aura of invincibility and when it was shattered he never got it back.

That takes nothing away from the previous 30ish fights where he absolutely demolished people.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 15, 2019 10:12 PM (fuK7c)

451 lol!

and btw:

NOOD!!!!

Posted by: Gooshy at June 15, 2019 10:12 PM (NR6n1)

452 Sorry. I'm out.

It's 4 in the morning. I should have gone to bed hours ago.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 10:13 PM (OoEEx)

453 Hi y'all

I like both True Grits, of course, but I enjoyed the Bridges one because it let the character of the young girl shine through. She had grit, too.

Posted by: booknlass at June 15, 2019 10:13 PM (xIKXj)

454 I hate fcuking monkeys.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2019 08:22 PM (qBNEP)

Hey, they're ALL 10s at closing time, right?

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2019 10:15 PM (p+uA1)

455 Have you heard off suspension of disbelief?

Yeah but everyone has their limits and this one goes past mine. Partly because they are trying to sell it as being so plausible and scientific and modern and its ridiculous start to finish.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 15, 2019 10:17 PM (39g3+)

456 TJM, 4 in the morning?? Where are you, in London??

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 15, 2019 10:18 PM (miE9U)

457 My school won the CWS last year, and in 06 and 07: Oregon State.

Bounced early this year but tough to be pissed about it.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 15, 2019 10:21 PM (7cCNF)

458 The Japs sink the Nimitz in The Final Final Countdown.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot

Damn that Denny Terio

Posted by: Miklos, survivor at June 15, 2019 10:21 PM (QzkSJ)

459 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 15, 2019 08:38 PM (kQs4Y)

Loved both the book and the movie. Great stuff, and *perfect* Bogart.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2019 10:21 PM (p+uA1)

460 How can you have a Halloween movie without Michael Myers?
Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 08:51 PM (yQpMk

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By being the creator and imagining an anthology series of Halloween themed stories instead of a series of things centered around an uninteresting cipher of a monster wearing a William Shatner mask.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 15, 2019 08:54 PM (OoEEx)

and see how well that turned out.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 10:22 PM (yQpMk)

461
Titanic II -- it'll knock off your socks, just you wait and see!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 15, 2019 10:40 PM (dPMBY)

462 A lot of what Tyson had was an aura of invincibility and when it was shattered he never got it back.

What Tyson had was an uppercut that could fell an ox. The fighters who could take that away from him, by not letting him work inside, or if he did, by pressing their gloves down on his so he couldn't start the punch, beat him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is without crush at June 15, 2019 10:49 PM (yQpMk)

463 The biggest thing I took away from GBU was that the American Civil War wasn't the end all, be all. Back in the '60s, every American history survey course was divided by the Civil War, and a really big thing was made of it. But GBU made me realize that for an awful lot of people, the Civil War was a this or a nasty little squabble taking place a continent away. Tes, it was important to the people concerned, but a lot of people living West of the Missouri River had other problems.

I didn't interpret the bridge scene as an anti Viet Nam screed. I saw it as an honest portrayal of down-in-the-dirt warfare. Maybe that was because I had read the vast majority of Bill Mauldin's war cartoons. To quote William Tecumseh Sherman, "War is hell" , and the bridge scene made that point.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at June 15, 2019 11:12 PM (5+J7M)

464 I love Whiplash

Posted by: ustuplay at June 15, 2019 11:24 PM (olvG6)

465 Hi all

Posted by: Wilsonian at June 15, 2019 11:44 PM (clwW5)

466 I liked The Two Towers the best of the LOTR movies, though technically it wasn't a sequel.

Posted by: norrin radd at June 16, 2019 12:19 AM (1iL/r)

467 I'm torn. Sometime in early 80's I came home from a bar around 11. Nobody was at the beach house that w/e except for me. I plopped down into the recliner and turned on tv.
I stopped on this channel because of the background sound and a ship going thru space. It was the beginning of Alien.
I was mesmerized by this film. Afterwards I sat in the dark without the tv on and wished I could have watched it again.
I freaked out of my mind when Aliens came out on the big screen. It was everything you WANTED in a sequel.
I always say that you can't have a sequel without the first one. The way we got to see the alien for the first time was phenomenal-even though gruesome. But, the scene when Lambert and Parker went to get the canisters and they don't know it's in there with them. The sounds and the first sight of the alien hanging down from the rafters is when you realize just how big that fucker got and then... Lambert turns and sees it and all we see is it's shadow on her. Classic horror. Aliens was such a great sequel...but I can't put it before the original because the whole premise of the "alien" was so mind blowing new in Alien and in Aliens-we knew what they were up against ...just like Ripley knew. It was just interesting to what and see how each one dealt with the situation. Crap, I hate when I talk myself out of something. Sequel better than the original-Godfather 2.

Posted by: ZaN at June 16, 2019 07:35 AM (NLEnr)

468 The second Austin Powers movie - better than the first.

Posted by: 13times at June 16, 2019 06:28 PM (K3B2k)

469 Thor: Ragnarock

Posted by: Irving Washington at June 17, 2019 11:59 AM (mqD1o)

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