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Leftwing Magazine The Nation: We Must Get to the Bottom of Spygate
It's written by Steve Cohen, who is, depending on how charitably you want to put it, either a longtime skeptic of the intelligence community and the US policy towards Russia or a Russian toady and Soviet sympathizer. But he's right in this:US Attorney General William Barr now proposes to investigate the origins of Russiagate. He has appointed yet another special prosecutor, John Durham, to do so, but the power to decide the range and focus of the investigation will remain with Barr. The important news is Barr's expressed intention to investigate the role of other US intelligence agencies, not just the FBI, which obviously means the CIA when it was headed by John Brennan and Brennan's partner at the time, James Clapper, then director of national intelligence. As I argued in The Nation, Brennan, not Obama’' hapless FBI Director James Comey, was the godfather of Russiagate, a thesis for which more evidence has since appeared. We should hope that Barr intends to exclude nothing, including the two foundational texts of the deceitful Russiagate narrative: the Steele Dossier and, directly related, the contrived but equally ramifying Intelligence Community Assessment of January 2017. (Not coincidentally, they were made public at virtually the same time, inflating Russiagate into an obsessive national scandal.) Thus far, Barr has been cautious in his public statements. He has acknowledged there was “spying,” or surveillance, on the Trump campaign, which can be legal, but he surely knows that in the case of Papadopoulos (and possibly of General Michael Flynn), what happened was more akin to entrapment, which is never legal. Barr no doubt also recalls, and will likely keep in mind, the astonishing warning Senator Charles Schumer issued to President-elect Trump in January 2017: "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you." (Indeed, Barr might ask Schumer what he meant and why he felt the need to be the menacing messenger of intel agencies, wittingly or not.) But Barr's thorniest problem may be understanding the woeful role of mainstream media in Russiagate. As Lee Smith, who contributed important investigative reporting, has written: "The press is part of the operation, the indispensable part. None of it would have been possible…had the media not linked arms with spies, cops, and lawyers to relay a story first spun by Clinton operatives." How does Barr explore this "indispensable" complicity of the media in originating and perpetuating the Russiagate fraud without impermissibly infringing on the freedom of the press? Ideally, mainstream media--print and broadcast--would now themselves report on how and why they permitted intelligence officials, through leaks and anonymous sources, and as “opinion” commentators, to use their pages and programming to promote Russiagate for so long, and why they so excluded well-informed, nonpartisan alternative opinions. Instead, they have almost unanimously reported and broadcast negatively, even antagonistically, about Barr’s investigation, and indeed about Barr personally. (The Washington Post even found a way to print this: "William Barr looks like a toad...") Such is the seeming panic of the Russiagate media over Barr's investigation, which promises to declassify related documents, that The New York Times again trotted out its easily debunked fiction that public disclosures will endanger a purported US informant, a Kremlin mole, at Putin’s side. Finally, but most crucially, what was the real reason US intelligence agencies launched a discrediting operation against Trump? ... We are left, then, with this paradox, formulated in a tweet on May 24 by the British journalist John O'Sullivan: "Spygate is the first American scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently but the media want to cover them up."
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Media is up to their rat ears in this
Posted by: CN at June 03, 2019 01:00 PM (U7k5w)
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The media can't be expected to live by their own rules.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 03, 2019 01:00 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 03, 2019 01:00 PM (6qErC)
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I imagine the only reason they are interested in this is to clear Russia.
Posted by: willow at June 03, 2019 01:01 PM (r/xAU)
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2: True, like all donks.
Posted by: CN at June 03, 2019 01:01 PM (U7k5w)
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Trump has completely changed the dynamics in our government and media.
I had no idea it would be this entertaining.
I had no idea it would be this entertaining.
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at June 03, 2019 01:01 PM (ZlkUF)
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British journalist John O'Sullivan: "Spygate is the first American
scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently
but the media want to cover them up."
Blimey.
scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently
but the media want to cover them up."
Blimey.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 03, 2019 01:01 PM (ptqGC)
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The media can't be expected to live by their own rules.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 03, 2019 01:00 PM (w7KSn)
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Well, thats a relief.
Because we never had any intention of doing so.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 03, 2019 01:00 PM (w7KSn)
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Well, thats a relief.
Because we never had any intention of doing so.
Posted by: THE M.F.M. at June 03, 2019 01:01 PM (8XRCm)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at June 03, 2019 01:01 PM (xfj5P)
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What timeline did we just enter?
Posted by: Delaforce at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (WcSOE)
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>> "Spygate is the first American scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently but the media want to cover them up."
Not THAT many government officials want the facts published. See Nadler and Schiff's efforts to muddy the water .
Not THAT many government officials want the facts published. See Nadler and Schiff's efforts to muddy the water .
Posted by: Lizzy at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (W+vEI)
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Katrina Vanden Heuvel's Husband & he is a Putin apologist, John Batchelor has him on once a week to spew his Ballwashing Or Putin & Gorbachev
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (BqBId)
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Stalin was framed.
Posted by: Burger Chef at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (RuIsu)
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British journalist John O'Sullivan: "Spygate is the first American
scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently
but the media want to cover them up."
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Fast and Furious
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently
but the media want to cover them up."
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Fast and Furious
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
Posted by: THE M.F.M. at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (8XRCm)
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sock off....
sock off....
Posted by: fixerupper at June 03, 2019 01:03 PM (8XRCm)
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Katrina Vanden Heuvel's Husband
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (BqBId)
Poor bastard
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (BqBId)
Poor bastard
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 03, 2019 01:04 PM (xPl2J)
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Spygate is the first American scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently
but the media want to cover them up"
Here, pull the other one, 'kay?
but the media want to cover them up"
Here, pull the other one, 'kay?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 03, 2019 01:04 PM (6qErC)
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14: I don't remember the previous administration going transparent on any of these.
Posted by: CN at June 03, 2019 01:04 PM (U7k5w)
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off topic but before I forget:
Fox biz news had a camera on protesters in London, some have signs that read
Trump Out
Tories Out
Fight for a Socialist Future
Fox biz news had a camera on protesters in London, some have signs that read
Trump Out
Tories Out
Fight for a Socialist Future
Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at June 03, 2019 01:04 PM (ZqRa6)
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maybe some on that side are smart enough and waking up enough to realize that this sort of entrenched govt power could well end up abusing the hell out of them in time
Posted by: bored383 at June 03, 2019 01:04 PM (zJ4nO)
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>> How does Barr explore this "indispensable" complicity of the media in originating and perpetuating the Russiagate fraud without impermissibly infringing on the freedom of the press?
Maybe first recognize that the "free press" you're talking about is actually "paid Fusion GPS propaganda" and go from there to track down the money/deals between them and the press???
Maybe first recognize that the "free press" you're talking about is actually "paid Fusion GPS propaganda" and go from there to track down the money/deals between them and the press???
Posted by: Lizzy at June 03, 2019 01:04 PM (W+vEI)
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Tucker had a guy on from The Nation, I think a different guy, on this subject though, iirc.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 03, 2019 01:04 PM (Cus5s)
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When you've lost The Nation....
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at June 03, 2019 01:04 PM (YxTyy)
Posted by: McCool at June 03, 2019 01:05 PM (sZaoP)
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I had to look up "ramifying".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:05 PM (fuK7c)
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Of course Greenwald and The Nation want to cover this. This scandal could clear out a -lot- of dead wood in both parties, which would firmly put outsider socialists in charge of the Dems. The coalition of deep staters and the lefties who hate them is not stable enough to survive the coming crucible.
Posted by: trev006 at June 03, 2019 01:06 PM (Ws6iM)
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14
British journalist John O'Sullivan: "Spygate is the first American
scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently
but the media want to cover them up."
-------
Fast and Furious
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
Posted by: THE M.F.M. at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (8XRCm)
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Out of sight, out of mind. That's our motto!
British journalist John O'Sullivan: "Spygate is the first American
scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently
but the media want to cover them up."
-------
Fast and Furious
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
Posted by: THE M.F.M. at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (8XRCm)
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Out of sight, out of mind. That's our motto!
Posted by: The Media at June 03, 2019 01:06 PM (EjlXc)
Posted by: Mayor Buttplug at June 03, 2019 01:06 PM (YxTyy)
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US Attorney General William Barr now proposes to investigate the origins of Russiagate. He has appointed yet another special prosecutor
He's not a special prosecutor
US Attorney General William Barr now proposes to investigate the origins of Russiagate. He has appointed yet another special prosecutor
He's not a special prosecutor
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 03, 2019 01:06 PM (TAmPV)
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British journalist John O'Sullivan: "Spygate is the first American
scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently
but the media want to cover them up."
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Fessik. Tear his arms off.
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Oh, you mean THESE crises!
Fast and Furious
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently
but the media want to cover them up."
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Fessik. Tear his arms off.
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Oh, you mean THESE crises!
Fast and Furious
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at June 03, 2019 01:06 PM (ZlkUF)
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I had to look up "ramifying".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:05 PM (fuK7c)
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Sounds intriguing...
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:05 PM (fuK7c)
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Sounds intriguing...
Posted by: Shep! at June 03, 2019 01:07 PM (AzW6q)
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Wait a minute, we were having a perfectly nice thread about a smiling Queen fist-bumping Trump while wearing Brexit Party colors, a Morrissey song about a snooty London hairstylist not wanting to give him an appointment, Mia Sara, and now we're back to the usual?
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:07 PM (8erNz)
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Isn't "The Nation" a bit too nationalistic of a title?
Posted by: josephistan at June 03, 2019 01:07 PM (7HtZB)
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Posted by: THE M.F.M. at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (8XRCm)
In those cases, the government didn't want transparency either.
In those cases, the government didn't want transparency either.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 03, 2019 01:07 PM (2DOZq)
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Not first!
But I have listened to Cohen on John Batchelor - he gives him an hour every week to discuss Russia and US issues. Despite what Mark Levin may say, Cohen is reasonable - he is in effect an old time liberal, and is out of step with the new socialists. Surprising, considering his wife is the chief editor, Katerina whatshername, from The Nation.
Its how the current landscape of politics is changing. The communists are here. Russia is really not the threat. But re Tucker Carlson, overweening capitalism (or Corporatism) led by the Deep State and the Chamber of Commerce, is.
Strange days....
But I have listened to Cohen on John Batchelor - he gives him an hour every week to discuss Russia and US issues. Despite what Mark Levin may say, Cohen is reasonable - he is in effect an old time liberal, and is out of step with the new socialists. Surprising, considering his wife is the chief editor, Katerina whatshername, from The Nation.
Its how the current landscape of politics is changing. The communists are here. Russia is really not the threat. But re Tucker Carlson, overweening capitalism (or Corporatism) led by the Deep State and the Chamber of Commerce, is.
Strange days....
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:07 PM (1T0t0)
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I call it Bootyjugging
Posted by: Pete Bootyjug at June 03, 2019 01:08 PM (flINI)
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but the media want to cover them up.
As Burge famously tweeted:
Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.
As Burge famously tweeted:
Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.
Posted by: McCool at June 03, 2019 01:08 PM (sZaoP)
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https://nyp.st/2EOwgkM
*********
DeWayne Craddock was violent with co-workers before Virginia Beach shooting: report
********
Hey the shooter was as Frank Zappa called them in Thingfish, "Severely Tanned Individuals"
******
Down the rabbithole it goes
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DeWayne Craddock was violent with co-workers before Virginia Beach shooting: report
********
Hey the shooter was as Frank Zappa called them in Thingfish, "Severely Tanned Individuals"
******
Down the rabbithole it goes
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 03, 2019 01:08 PM (BqBId)
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"How does Barr explore this "indispensable" complicity of the media in originating and perpetuating the Russiagate fraud without impermissibly infringing on the freedom of the press?"
As he explores each of the government officials and what they did, he quite openly states exactly what the media did in concert with them. There may not be any legal repercussions to the media, but whatever is Left now of their credibility and integrity would be destroyed.
(I can see them, lying in bed at night, trying to get that voice out of their heads so that they can sleep: "You are fake news." And the voice of Orange Man Bad, the accent of an extra from Guys and Dolls, won't stop.)
As he explores each of the government officials and what they did, he quite openly states exactly what the media did in concert with them. There may not be any legal repercussions to the media, but whatever is Left now of their credibility and integrity would be destroyed.
(I can see them, lying in bed at night, trying to get that voice out of their heads so that they can sleep: "You are fake news." And the voice of Orange Man Bad, the accent of an extra from Guys and Dolls, won't stop.)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (hLRSq)
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Lung harvesting. US, not China.
https://tinyurl.com/y5x8by88
Yes ... I know about the source ... but the screenshot is from twitter so it should be confirmable.
https://tinyurl.com/y5x8by88
Yes ... I know about the source ... but the screenshot is from twitter so it should be confirmable.
Posted by: Off the reservation at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (vWMNq)
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I don't understand what is taking so long.
All you would need is the fully redacted first FISA warrant.
It would be akin to receiving the Rosetta Stone.
You could easily perform the necessary back dating of the underlying info to see how and when this whole illegitimate and illegal affair got started.
But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
All you would need is the fully redacted first FISA warrant.
It would be akin to receiving the Rosetta Stone.
You could easily perform the necessary back dating of the underlying info to see how and when this whole illegitimate and illegal affair got started.
But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
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>>Finally, but most crucially, what was the real reason US intelligence agencies launched a discrediting operation against Trump?
#OrangeManBad
Duh!
#OrangeManBad
Duh!
Posted by: Lizzy at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (W+vEI)
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Oh, you mean THESE crises!
Fast and Furious
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
Oh, you can add Lisa Jackson's doing Govt business as 'Richard Windsor', the James Risen thing, and we haven't even gotten to Hillary's mailserver which remember went live THE DAY BEFORE SHE TOOK OFFICE AS SecState.
Fast and Furious
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
Oh, you can add Lisa Jackson's doing Govt business as 'Richard Windsor', the James Risen thing, and we haven't even gotten to Hillary's mailserver which remember went live THE DAY BEFORE SHE TOOK OFFICE AS SecState.
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (8erNz)
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Cohen, like Greenwald and Matt Taibbi are solid on this issue.
But that's because they are Russian agents.
But that's because they are Russian agents.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (NFEMn)
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Assholes!
Posted by: Fritz at June 03, 2019 01:10 PM (LuPts)
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DeWayne Craddock was violent with co-workers before Virginia Beach shooting: report
But he practiced proper dental hygiene.
But he practiced proper dental hygiene.
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 03, 2019 01:10 PM (xPl2J)
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Willowed:
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Yup. Mia Sara as Sloane Peterson.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019
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I'm winging this, but didn't Mia Sara play Harley Quinn -- the first live-action actress to play the character? On TV, anyway?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 03, 2019 12:59 PM (ClOmq)
She played her on 'Birds of Prey' but I don't know when Harley Quinn first was on live action.
The Animated Series is the only real Harley as far as I'm concerned. Despite how good Margot Robie's butt looks.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019
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I remember that series; that's what I was thinking of. Was there ever a live-action embodiment of Harley Quinn before Mia Sara's?
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Yup. Mia Sara as Sloane Peterson.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019
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I'm winging this, but didn't Mia Sara play Harley Quinn -- the first live-action actress to play the character? On TV, anyway?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 03, 2019 12:59 PM (ClOmq)
She played her on 'Birds of Prey' but I don't know when Harley Quinn first was on live action.
The Animated Series is the only real Harley as far as I'm concerned. Despite how good Margot Robie's butt looks.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019
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I remember that series; that's what I was thinking of. Was there ever a live-action embodiment of Harley Quinn before Mia Sara's?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 03, 2019 01:10 PM (ClOmq)
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But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
The Left doesn't trust Barr either.
Maybe he's doing something RIGHT.
But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
The Left doesn't trust Barr either.
Maybe he's doing something RIGHT.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:10 PM (NFEMn)
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Fast and Furious
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at June 03, 2019 01:06 PM (ZlkUF)
I am pretty darn sure the government did not want those to be transparent. At all.
IRS Targeting
Benghazi
VA Crisis
Solyndra
Seth Rich
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at June 03, 2019 01:06 PM (ZlkUF)
I am pretty darn sure the government did not want those to be transparent. At all.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:11 PM (hLRSq)
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The problem with Declassificstion is that they dont want to put the FISA process at risk. (Even Barr doesn't want to do that). Disclosure is going to be limited so that the public doesn't demand an end to FISA.
Posted by: Revenant at June 03, 2019 01:12 PM (/QeeM)
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First the late RBG sides with conservatives, and now The Nation publishes something sensible?
I sense a disturbance in The Farts.
I sense a disturbance in The Farts.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 03, 2019 01:12 PM (wCTys)
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>>"How does Barr explore this "indispensable" complicity of the media in originating and perpetuating the Russiagate fraud without impermissibly infringing on the freedom of the press?"
In addition to FusionGPS, thing this is where the Clinton Foundation and the DNC emails come in.
As with FusionGPS, you have to follow the money (CF grants, seminars, etc.) as well as the coordination between campaign and party people and the MSM (see: Maggie Haberman, Glen whatshisfedora, etc.)
In addition to FusionGPS, thing this is where the Clinton Foundation and the DNC emails come in.
As with FusionGPS, you have to follow the money (CF grants, seminars, etc.) as well as the coordination between campaign and party people and the MSM (see: Maggie Haberman, Glen whatshisfedora, etc.)
Posted by: Lizzy at June 03, 2019 01:12 PM (W+vEI)
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How does Barr explore this "indispensable" complicity of the media"
He doesn't. Let them twist on their own rope.
He doesn't. Let them twist on their own rope.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 03, 2019 01:12 PM (6qErC)
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I am pretty darn sure the government did not want those to be transparent. At all.
It depends on whether you're talking about the Executive or the Legislative.
And when you get to the Executive, can the President bend the Deep State to his will?
Yeah, the Executive was uniformly against disclosure in the Obama years. It was the Omerta Administration.
It depends on whether you're talking about the Executive or the Legislative.
And when you get to the Executive, can the President bend the Deep State to his will?
Yeah, the Executive was uniformly against disclosure in the Obama years. It was the Omerta Administration.
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:13 PM (8erNz)
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But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
The Left doesn't trust Barr either.
Maybe he's doing something RIGHT.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:10 PM (NFEMn)
+++I know he'd win me over for sure if I could see a video of him drop-kickingcertain individuals out of helicopters.
But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
The Left doesn't trust Barr either.
Maybe he's doing something RIGHT.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:10 PM (NFEMn)
+++I know he'd win me over for sure if I could see a video of him drop-kickingcertain individuals out of helicopters.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 03, 2019 01:13 PM (EjlXc)
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But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
Yep. In the end, there's going to be concerns and questions about discrepancies and mistakes. The government isn't going to fix itself.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
Yep. In the end, there's going to be concerns and questions about discrepancies and mistakes. The government isn't going to fix itself.
Posted by: Prince Tuesday at June 03, 2019 01:13 PM (2f6Iy)
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The problem with Declassificstion is that they dont want to put the FISA process at risk. (Even Barr doesn't want to do that). Disclosure is going to be limited so that the public doesn't demand an end to FISA.
The best way to protect FISA is to make sure the people who abused it get stiff prison sentences.
The problem with Declassificstion is that they dont want to put the FISA process at risk. (Even Barr doesn't want to do that). Disclosure is going to be limited so that the public doesn't demand an end to FISA.
The best way to protect FISA is to make sure the people who abused it get stiff prison sentences.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 03, 2019 01:14 PM (TAmPV)
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Oh, you can add Lisa Jackson's doing Govt business as 'Richard Windsor', the James Risen thing, and we haven't even gotten to Hillary's mailserver which remember went live THE DAY BEFORE SHE TOOK OFFICE AS SecState.
And lest I forget, the thing that convinced me Obama or at least his coterie expected to be in power forever, the voiding of the plea bargain with the Philly New Black Panthers over voter intimidation.
And lest I forget, the thing that convinced me Obama or at least his coterie expected to be in power forever, the voiding of the plea bargain with the Philly New Black Panthers over voter intimidation.
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:14 PM (8erNz)
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I don't understand what is taking so long. All you would need is the fully redacted first FISA warrant. It would be akin to receiving the Rosetta Stone.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
Because it exposes both parties, Five Eyes, and the American Police State.
All of which are Too Big to Fail.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
Because it exposes both parties, Five Eyes, and the American Police State.
All of which are Too Big to Fail.
Posted by: Voting at June 03, 2019 01:15 PM (fbVsP)
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12 Katrina Vanden Heuvel's Husband & he is a Putin apologist, John Batchelor has him on once a week to spew his Ballwashing Or Putin & Gorbachev
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (BqBId)
Sorry - missed this. I listen to all of Batchelor's weekly output. Cohen may be off track on some things, but I think he is honest and not insane in his views. He does give Russia more benefit of the doubt than they sometimes deserve, and is a Russian apologist, but he has been right on for several years about what is happening re the deep state.
Again, Russia is not our enemy. They have a GDP the size of Italy. Yes, they have nukes, but I don't go to sleep fearing that they will launch an attack. They have a sphere of influence where they want to be preeminent. We push back. Frankly, we should be less involved there and let Europe handle it if they fear the ruskies (which I don't think they really do - it's a good sledgehammer to hit trump). If Eastern Europe doesn't want Russia interfering, they need to build a strong coalition (which we can be part of) and take the lead. Won't happen while the EU is there oppressing them.
I view the EU as more dangerous than Russia... They want to destroy Europe and socialize it. Russia isn't interested in that anymore, but the seeds the Soviets left have borne their evil fruit, here and in Europe, and we have to deal with them like the vermin they are...
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 03, 2019 01:02 PM (BqBId)
Sorry - missed this. I listen to all of Batchelor's weekly output. Cohen may be off track on some things, but I think he is honest and not insane in his views. He does give Russia more benefit of the doubt than they sometimes deserve, and is a Russian apologist, but he has been right on for several years about what is happening re the deep state.
Again, Russia is not our enemy. They have a GDP the size of Italy. Yes, they have nukes, but I don't go to sleep fearing that they will launch an attack. They have a sphere of influence where they want to be preeminent. We push back. Frankly, we should be less involved there and let Europe handle it if they fear the ruskies (which I don't think they really do - it's a good sledgehammer to hit trump). If Eastern Europe doesn't want Russia interfering, they need to build a strong coalition (which we can be part of) and take the lead. Won't happen while the EU is there oppressing them.
I view the EU as more dangerous than Russia... They want to destroy Europe and socialize it. Russia isn't interested in that anymore, but the seeds the Soviets left have borne their evil fruit, here and in Europe, and we have to deal with them like the vermin they are...
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:15 PM (1T0t0)
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And lest I forget, the thing that convinced me
Obama or at least his coterie expected to be in power forever, the
voiding of the plea bargain with the Philly New Black Panthers over
voter intimidation.
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:14 PM (8erNz)
++++Stomach turning.
And lest I forget, the thing that convinced me
Obama or at least his coterie expected to be in power forever, the
voiding of the plea bargain with the Philly New Black Panthers over
voter intimidation.
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:14 PM (8erNz)
++++Stomach turning.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 03, 2019 01:15 PM (EjlXc)
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The best way to protect FISA is to make sure the people who abused it get stiff prison sentences.
Yes, but how do you purge those judges and their staffs who failed in their due diligence responsibility?
When the FBI walks a writ to FISA who double-checks what the FBI submits?
Yes, but how do you purge those judges and their staffs who failed in their due diligence responsibility?
When the FBI walks a writ to FISA who double-checks what the FBI submits?
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:15 PM (8erNz)
63
The squealing from the press and the Dems is ridiculous and expected.
Has anyone pointed out anything in the Barr interview with the CBS woman, who is an actual journalist, that is so awful? Just asking if they've even attempted to give a reason that Barr is so horrible.
Also, why aren't the Republicans in the Senate summoning Mueller to testify? I really hope he doesn't get away with saying, screw you Congress, I'm not answering any of your questions. And the media was strangely satisfied with not asking any questions.
Has anyone pointed out anything in the Barr interview with the CBS woman, who is an actual journalist, that is so awful? Just asking if they've even attempted to give a reason that Barr is so horrible.
Also, why aren't the Republicans in the Senate summoning Mueller to testify? I really hope he doesn't get away with saying, screw you Congress, I'm not answering any of your questions. And the media was strangely satisfied with not asking any questions.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (J3qJd)
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Its how the current landscape of politics is changing. The communists are here. Russia is really not the threat. But re Tucker Carlson, overweening capitalism (or Corporatism) led by the Deep State and the Chamber of Commerce, is.
Strange days....
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:07 PM (1T0t0)
You're perceptive.
There's a realignment of sorts going on right now.
For example, you have the ostensible capitalists of the CoC and the Marxists on the same side when it comes to Illegal Immigration.....
You have normally pro-business conservatives demanding break-up of monopolies...
You have leftist sticking up for SPY AGENCIES!!
It's weird how this is shaking out and who knows where it will be 10 years from now....
Strange days....
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:07 PM (1T0t0)
You're perceptive.
There's a realignment of sorts going on right now.
For example, you have the ostensible capitalists of the CoC and the Marxists on the same side when it comes to Illegal Immigration.....
You have normally pro-business conservatives demanding break-up of monopolies...
You have leftist sticking up for SPY AGENCIES!!
It's weird how this is shaking out and who knows where it will be 10 years from now....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (NFEMn)
65
>> Lung harvesting. US, not China.
Lung Harvest in't till late august.
Any Lung you harvest now is going to be thin skinned and bitter.
Lung Harvest in't till late august.
Any Lung you harvest now is going to be thin skinned and bitter.
Posted by: garrett at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (lbnGJ)
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63 The squealing from the press and the Dems is ridiculous and expected.
Has anyone pointed out anything in the Barr interview with the CBS woman, who is an actual journalist, that is so awful? Just asking if they've even attempted to give a reason that Barr is so horrible.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (J3qJd)
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"He's acting like the president's lawyer instead of the AG."
"How exactly?"
"By not buying into a blatantly false narrative that's been debunked for years."
These are not smart or honest people.
Has anyone pointed out anything in the Barr interview with the CBS woman, who is an actual journalist, that is so awful? Just asking if they've even attempted to give a reason that Barr is so horrible.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (J3qJd)
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"He's acting like the president's lawyer instead of the AG."
"How exactly?"
"By not buying into a blatantly false narrative that's been debunked for years."
These are not smart or honest people.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (9cans)
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as well as the coordination between campaign and party people and the MSM"
It is a bit gratifying to see the end of "Media" as an "Impartial Observer and Reporter" bullshiite.
"Mass Media" has always been bought and paid for - but somehow got progressives to limit competition in the US for the middle 20th century...
It is a bit gratifying to see the end of "Media" as an "Impartial Observer and Reporter" bullshiite.
"Mass Media" has always been bought and paid for - but somehow got progressives to limit competition in the US for the middle 20th century...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (6qErC)
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The problem with Declassificstion is that they dont want to put the FISA process at risk. (Even Barr doesn't want to do that). Disclosure is going to be limited so that the public doesn't demand an end to FISA.
The best way to protect FISA is to make sure the people who abused it get stiff prison sentences.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 03, 2019 01:14 PM (TAmPV)
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Absolutely, those dastardly FBI/DOJ agents duped us.
---FISA Judges.
The best way to protect FISA is to make sure the people who abused it get stiff prison sentences.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 03, 2019 01:14 PM (TAmPV)
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Absolutely, those dastardly FBI/DOJ agents duped us.
---FISA Judges.
Posted by: WisRich at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (G0vdT)
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But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
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Even if Barr's determined to dispense harsh justice (maybe, maybe not, I don't know), he'd be the only one, and he'd be contending with armies of insubordinate Deep State DoJ attorneys (totally honest rank-and-file guys, amirite) and the kind of Hawaiian judges who signed off on the FISA warrant in the first place.
Outlook:
[_] Promising
[X] Bleak
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan)
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Even if Barr's determined to dispense harsh justice (maybe, maybe not, I don't know), he'd be the only one, and he'd be contending with armies of insubordinate Deep State DoJ attorneys (totally honest rank-and-file guys, amirite) and the kind of Hawaiian judges who signed off on the FISA warrant in the first place.
Outlook:
[_] Promising
[X] Bleak
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (AzW6q)
70
RBG can't die, officially, until impeachment begins.
Posted by: The people across the aisle want us silenced at best,dead at worst at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (xXx5y)
71
Do you think that the Left is beginning to wonder if Trump could turn the machinery of the State against them?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (oVJmc)
72
How does Barr explore this "indispensable" complicity of the media"
He doesn't. Let them twist on their own rope.
Posted by: Anon a mouse
Yep. That's the thing; the media refuses to be subject to the same inquiry, the same level of scrutiny that they insist all others be subject to.
In the rare cases people stick a mike in a journos face, the 'defenders of freedom' run like stuck pigs. No one demands the "AAAANSWER DAAH QUESTION!!!"
He doesn't. Let them twist on their own rope.
Posted by: Anon a mouse
Yep. That's the thing; the media refuses to be subject to the same inquiry, the same level of scrutiny that they insist all others be subject to.
In the rare cases people stick a mike in a journos face, the 'defenders of freedom' run like stuck pigs. No one demands the "AAAANSWER DAAH QUESTION!!!"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (cXV7n)
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Finally, but most crucially, what was the real reason US intelligence agencies launched a discrediting operation against Trump?
The answer is simple as this quote:
"It is not enough to simply defeat Trump. He must be destroyed thoroughly. His kind must not rise again."
- David Plouffe, ex-TFG advisor to the WH, fellow fellator and anti-American scum Progressive (BIRM)
The answer is simple as this quote:
"It is not enough to simply defeat Trump. He must be destroyed thoroughly. His kind must not rise again."
- David Plouffe, ex-TFG advisor to the WH, fellow fellator and anti-American scum Progressive (BIRM)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (HaL55)
74
65 >> Lung harvesting. US, not China.
Lung Harvest in't till late august.
Any Lung you harvest now is going to be thin skinned and bitter.
Posted by: garrett at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (lbnGJ)
Need to let them ripen on the bronchus first. Then cure in the smoking shed.
Lung Harvest in't till late august.
Any Lung you harvest now is going to be thin skinned and bitter.
Posted by: garrett at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (lbnGJ)
Need to let them ripen on the bronchus first. Then cure in the smoking shed.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 03, 2019 01:18 PM (NWiLs)
75
1 Media is up to their rat ears in this
Posted by: CN at June 03, 2019 01:00 PM (U7k5w)
Metaphor alert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFGLRR27EA
Posted by: CN at June 03, 2019 01:00 PM (U7k5w)
Metaphor alert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFGLRR27EA
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 03, 2019 01:18 PM (wCTys)
76
The reporters were actually paid money by the Clintons for this product placement. It's not even a question of bias, it was payolla.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 03, 2019 01:18 PM (yQpMk)
77
62 The best way to protect FISA is to make sure the people who abused it get stiff prison sentences.
Yes, but how do you purge those judges and their staffs who failed in their due diligence responsibility?
When the FBI walks a writ to FISA who double-checks what the FBI submits?
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:15 PM (8erNz)
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How about just adopt the left's arguments against guns re: FISA?
It's outdated.
If it saves one life.
No one can be trusted with it.
Yes, but how do you purge those judges and their staffs who failed in their due diligence responsibility?
When the FBI walks a writ to FISA who double-checks what the FBI submits?
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:15 PM (8erNz)
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How about just adopt the left's arguments against guns re: FISA?
It's outdated.
If it saves one life.
No one can be trusted with it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:18 PM (9cans)
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Press Association @PA
2h
#Breaking A Swedish court has ruled that it will not seek the detention of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in relation to a suspected rape case
2h
#Breaking A Swedish court has ruled that it will not seek the detention of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in relation to a suspected rape case
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 03, 2019 01:18 PM (BqBId)
79
The media complaining about Barr is like Al Capone complaining about Elliot Ness.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at June 03, 2019 01:18 PM (JgA4k)
80
To quote Howard Dean, "Ayieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
Posted by: Caliban at June 03, 2019 01:18 PM (opA8E)
81
>>Need to let them ripen on the bronchus first. Then cure in the smoking shed.
Key to a good lung is to let the Sugars set. Need hot days and cool nights for that.
Key to a good lung is to let the Sugars set. Need hot days and cool nights for that.
Posted by: garrett at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (lbnGJ)
82
67 as well as the coordination between campaign and party people and the MSM"
It is a bit gratifying to see the end of "Media" as an "Impartial Observer and Reporter" bullshiite.
"Mass Media" has always been bought and paid for - but somehow got progressives to limit competition in the US for the middle 20th century...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (6qErC)
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Yeah, until broadcast television, media was a giant swamp of sniping from partisan operatives.
The media created its own image of the impartial press through its stranglehold on broadcasting.
Nice to see it go away.
It is a bit gratifying to see the end of "Media" as an "Impartial Observer and Reporter" bullshiite.
"Mass Media" has always been bought and paid for - but somehow got progressives to limit competition in the US for the middle 20th century...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (6qErC)
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Yeah, until broadcast television, media was a giant swamp of sniping from partisan operatives.
The media created its own image of the impartial press through its stranglehold on broadcasting.
Nice to see it go away.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (9cans)
83
ace, let me clear it up - back when Russia mattered, as the USSR, Cohen was a Soviet toady, many times, when it mattered. And when that had all the appalling significance one might imagine.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (QDnY+)
84
Operation Mockingbird. The press is the CIA.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (xfb67)
85
Also, why aren't the Republicans in the Senate summoning Mueller to testify?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (J3qJd)
You're speaking rhetorically, right?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (J3qJd)
You're speaking rhetorically, right?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (i0ykY)
86
71
Do you think that the Left is beginning to wonder if Trump could turn the machinery of the State against them?
I don't think Trump is interested and I believe the left knows it. Plus they think they're going to win.
Do you think that the Left is beginning to wonder if Trump could turn the machinery of the State against them?
I don't think Trump is interested and I believe the left knows it. Plus they think they're going to win.
Posted by: Off the reservation at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (vWMNq)
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Do you think that the Left is beginning to wonder if Trump could turn the machinery of the State against them?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (oVJmc)
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That would require a degree of logic, introspection, reason and reflection, that, frankly..... I do not think they are capable of.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (oVJmc)
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That would require a degree of logic, introspection, reason and reflection, that, frankly..... I do not think they are capable of.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (8XRCm)
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41 I don't understand what is taking so long.
All you would need is the fully redacted first FISA warrant.
It would be akin to receiving the Rosetta Stone.
You could easily perform the necessary back dating of the underlying info to see how and when this whole illegitimate and illegal affair got started.
But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan
This is my take also. I'm not holding my breath waiting for something to come from this.
All you would need is the fully redacted first FISA warrant.
It would be akin to receiving the Rosetta Stone.
You could easily perform the necessary back dating of the underlying info to see how and when this whole illegitimate and illegal affair got started.
But I still don't fully trust Barr, I just see this as more frustration through investigation.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:09 PM (Mzkan
This is my take also. I'm not holding my breath waiting for something to come from this.
Posted by: Sooner at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (Fs5vw)
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70 RBG can't die, officially, until impeachment begins.
Posted by: The people across the aisle want us silenced at best,dead at worst at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (xXx5y)
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"Try it, motherfuckers."
-Cocaine Mitch, high on his own supply
Posted by: The people across the aisle want us silenced at best,dead at worst at June 03, 2019 01:17 PM (xXx5y)
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"Try it, motherfuckers."
-Cocaine Mitch, high on his own supply
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (9cans)
90
>> Lung harvesting. US, not China.
Lung Harvest in't till late august.
Any Lung you harvest now is going to be thin skinned and bitter.
Posted by: garrett at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (lbnGJ)
...........
This is why we will need more unskilled labor. A few thousand Honduran tortilla vendors will do.
Lung Harvest in't till late august.
Any Lung you harvest now is going to be thin skinned and bitter.
Posted by: garrett at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (lbnGJ)
...........
This is why we will need more unskilled labor. A few thousand Honduran tortilla vendors will do.
Posted by: wth at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (v0R5T)
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12 Katrina Vanden Heuvel's Husband & he is a Putin apologist, John Batchelor has him on once a week to spew his Ballwashing Or Putin & Gorbachev
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He's been a long standing contributor to John Batchelor's show. Many times he has good points, though he is definitely friendly towards Russia. I find him more credible than our own media and Govt. operatives.
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He's been a long standing contributor to John Batchelor's show. Many times he has good points, though he is definitely friendly towards Russia. I find him more credible than our own media and Govt. operatives.
Posted by: Pete Seria at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (7ZQe3)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (bcbK8)
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83 ace, let me clear it up - back when Russia mattered, as the USSR, Cohen was a Soviet toady, many times, when it mattered. And when that had all the appalling significance one might imagine.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (QDnY+)
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This is the story of Tulsi Gabbard, sort of.
Russian apologists are on our side today, which is weird and won't last.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 03, 2019 01:19 PM (QDnY+)
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This is the story of Tulsi Gabbard, sort of.
Russian apologists are on our side today, which is weird and won't last.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (9cans)
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Also, why aren't the Republicans in the Senate summoning Mueller to testify?
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You mean the ones that could've shut this whole mess down a couple of years ago?
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You mean the ones that could've shut this whole mess down a couple of years ago?
Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (2DpZX)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:21 PM (hLRSq)
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As I argued in The Nation, Brennan, not Obama's hapless FBI Director James Comey, was the godfather of Russiagate, a thesis for which more evidence has since appeared.
They were all in on it and need to be held liable for it, including and most of all, Barky. All of them. Every single one in the junta. Dragged away crying, in handcuffs and orange jumpsuits, never to be seen or heard from again. And that includes the traitors who pushed on with this coup through the "investigation", which was a known sham from the beginning.
They were all in on it and need to be held liable for it, including and most of all, Barky. All of them. Every single one in the junta. Dragged away crying, in handcuffs and orange jumpsuits, never to be seen or heard from again. And that includes the traitors who pushed on with this coup through the "investigation", which was a known sham from the beginning.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 03, 2019 01:21 PM (UqwnA)
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Semi-willowed on the last thread:
http://disq.us/p/227w28v
Please let me know how you think this lines up with the press coverage on OMB's UK visit.
She's physically no taller than Sadiq, but methinks she's got a lot more stature with the general populace.
http://disq.us/p/227w28v
Please let me know how you think this lines up with the press coverage on OMB's UK visit.
She's physically no taller than Sadiq, but methinks she's got a lot more stature with the general populace.
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:21 PM (8erNz)
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Paul Darrow, who played Avon in the 70s BBC SciFi show 'Blake's 7,' has died at age 78.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 03, 2019 01:22 PM (oVJmc)
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You mean the ones that could've shut this whole mess down a couple of years ago?
Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (2DpZX)
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^This. The GOPe couldn't be more happy to have this President continually compromised and obstructed.
Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (2DpZX)
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^This. The GOPe couldn't be more happy to have this President continually compromised and obstructed.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 03, 2019 01:22 PM (AzW6q)
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Mueller's animus toward PDT may stem from a long-ago dispute over Mueller wanting his non-refundable 15K Trump golf course fee refunded.
Per Bill O'Reilly who says PDT told him this personally.
Per Bill O'Reilly who says PDT told him this personally.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 03, 2019 01:22 PM (O8WFE)
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through its stranglehold on broadcasting"
Indeed. I do admire how progressives were able to sell government control over electronic media. They weren't about to let it be as open as the printed press...
Indeed. I do admire how progressives were able to sell government control over electronic media. They weren't about to let it be as open as the printed press...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 03, 2019 01:22 PM (6qErC)
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This from The Nation..... THE NATION!!! Which illustrates how insane and extreme the Democrat Party has become...
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:22 PM (90T4r)
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>>This is the story of Tulsi Gabbard, sort of. Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (9cans
In what sense?
In what sense?
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:23 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Off the reservation at June 03, 2019 01:23 PM (vWMNq)
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Saw that in the daily-mail this morning.
Posted by: Off the reservation at June 03, 2019 01:23 PM (vWMNq)
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Hey. ALL mail is DAILY mail....
Posted by: Off the reservation at June 03, 2019 01:23 PM (vWMNq)
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Hey. ALL mail is DAILY mail....
Posted by: Papa Kaisich at June 03, 2019 01:23 PM (8XRCm)
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the Free Press should be no more (legally) able to spread lies, or especially to spread political propaganda
-- than should prosecutors be able to fake evidence and suborn perjury to frame innocent men or companies (e.g. Arthur Anderson).
Why did Weissman need to destroy legit Arthur Anderson (and some 85k jobs)? My theory, some oligarchs don't want companies that are not flexible on GAAP, and really prefer two sets of books and lots of wiggle room. ... Because corporate media, corporate finance companies are another leg of this evil leviathan.
-- than should prosecutors be able to fake evidence and suborn perjury to frame innocent men or companies (e.g. Arthur Anderson).
Why did Weissman need to destroy legit Arthur Anderson (and some 85k jobs)? My theory, some oligarchs don't want companies that are not flexible on GAAP, and really prefer two sets of books and lots of wiggle room. ... Because corporate media, corporate finance companies are another leg of this evil leviathan.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 03, 2019 01:24 PM (Cus5s)
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It's weird how this is shaking out and who knows where it will be 10 years from now....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (NFEMn)
If I was an "End of Days Type" (I'm a believer, but think that humanity's story is just beginning) it would be easy to point out who is on the side of evil in the coming Apocalypse. Regretfully, there are a lot of people on both sides who haven't taken the red pill yet. The majority of DC is the enemy of all Americans, and they have us at each others throats. I blame the R's slightly less than the Demonrats (thank you Paul Ryan, who was worse than Boner, who I think would have worked with Trump).
I'm totally with Ace about the National Divorce (I was thrown off Red State in 2012 for saying we were heading in that direction). I would prefer Levin's (or Instapundit's, or the many others who have called for it before Mark got on that bandwagon) Convention of States. Yes, its potentially deadly. But it might be the only way to avoid the Divorce, which will be messy, with many thrown plates, broken pieces of furniture, and the cops being called for disorderly conduct.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (NFEMn)
If I was an "End of Days Type" (I'm a believer, but think that humanity's story is just beginning) it would be easy to point out who is on the side of evil in the coming Apocalypse. Regretfully, there are a lot of people on both sides who haven't taken the red pill yet. The majority of DC is the enemy of all Americans, and they have us at each others throats. I blame the R's slightly less than the Demonrats (thank you Paul Ryan, who was worse than Boner, who I think would have worked with Trump).
I'm totally with Ace about the National Divorce (I was thrown off Red State in 2012 for saying we were heading in that direction). I would prefer Levin's (or Instapundit's, or the many others who have called for it before Mark got on that bandwagon) Convention of States. Yes, its potentially deadly. But it might be the only way to avoid the Divorce, which will be messy, with many thrown plates, broken pieces of furniture, and the cops being called for disorderly conduct.
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:24 PM (1T0t0)
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"He's acting like the president's lawyer instead of the AG."
"How exactly?"
"By not buying into a blatantly false narrative that's been debunked for years."
These are not smart or honest people.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (9cans)
Yeah, I'm aware of that canard. Just wondering if there are any new complaints based on the interview. Although it seems like they are just pretending the interview didn't happen.
"He's acting like the president's lawyer instead of the AG."
"How exactly?"
"By not buying into a blatantly false narrative that's been debunked for years."
These are not smart or honest people.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (9cans)
Yeah, I'm aware of that canard. Just wondering if there are any new complaints based on the interview. Although it seems like they are just pretending the interview didn't happen.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:24 PM (J3qJd)
109
Spokane County Sheriff says Inslee should resign or be arrested over Sanctuary state law.
Posted by: Ha at June 03, 2019 01:24 PM (MAstk)
110
I trust Barr. Implicitly.
But he's an army of one.
Even Trump---also an army of one-- has had challenges getting the Deep State to do his bidding.
Barr needs to sit a coup-investigating Grand Jury post haste
But he's an army of one.
Even Trump---also an army of one-- has had challenges getting the Deep State to do his bidding.
Barr needs to sit a coup-investigating Grand Jury post haste
Posted by: The people across the aisle want us silenced at best,dead at worst at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (xXx5y)
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103 >>This is the story of Tulsi Gabbard, sort of. Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (9cans
In what sense?
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:23 PM (Bdeb0)
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Remember her trip to prop up Assad in Syria? That's because Assad is a Russian stooge.
She's a Russian stooge.
The fact that there are some conservatives out there saying she sounds reasonable scares me a bit, because all she does is say the Russiagate stuff is BS. That's a low bar to hop.
In what sense?
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:23 PM (Bdeb0)
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Remember her trip to prop up Assad in Syria? That's because Assad is a Russian stooge.
She's a Russian stooge.
The fact that there are some conservatives out there saying she sounds reasonable scares me a bit, because all she does is say the Russiagate stuff is BS. That's a low bar to hop.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (9cans)
112
Tulsi Gabbard..... I am of the opinion that Kyrstin Sinema is more conservative than Gabbard..... do. not. trust. her...
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (90T4r)
113
Mueller's animus toward PDT may stem from a long-ago dispute over Mueller wanting his non-refundable 15K Trump golf course fee refunded.
Per Bill O'Reilly who says PDT told him this personally.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 03, 2019 01:22 PM (O8WFE)
I'm convinced that Robert DeNiro's violent, demented and unhinged and out of proportion hatred towards Trump has it's origins in something personal--or business related--from NYC decades ago.
Politics doesn't explain it.
Per Bill O'Reilly who says PDT told him this personally.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 03, 2019 01:22 PM (O8WFE)
I'm convinced that Robert DeNiro's violent, demented and unhinged and out of proportion hatred towards Trump has it's origins in something personal--or business related--from NYC decades ago.
Politics doesn't explain it.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (NFEMn)
114
Mark Levin is an angry grandmother who must be made to smell the glove.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (Bdeb0)
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>>112 Tulsi Gabbard..... I am of the opinion that Kyrstin Sinema is more conservative than Gabbard..... do. not. trust. her...
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (90T4r)
Kyrsten could teach Tulsi many things.
So many, many things.
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (90T4r)
Kyrsten could teach Tulsi many things.
So many, many things.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)
116
God help me but I do so love seeing the Baby Diaper Trump balloon again (UK protests).Pro-Trumpers need to co-opt that just for fun.
Posted by: Passing Commenter at June 03, 2019 01:27 PM (PA2FD)
117
Steve Cohen is gonna get Milkshook, if he don't watch hisself.
Posted by: Roland THTG at June 03, 2019 01:27 PM (88+cf)
118
Russia isn't interested in that anymore, but the seeds the Soviets
left have borne their evil fruit, here and in Europe, and we have to
deal with them like the vermin they are...
They are America's Public Enemy Number One.
They need to be identified and treated as such. They call themselves "Progressives." In reality, they are Global Socialists who live here in the US. They are opposed to every single moral and legal principle the Founders laid out in the Constitution and their stated goal is to destroy our nation from within and install their version of Socialism in its place. Whenever you hear the term "progressive values," know that you're hearing your enemy.
They hate this country and everyone in it who isn't one of them. They must be purged from our body politic and from society or they will take over from within. They are our self-identified enemies and need to be treated as such.
#PurgeProgressivismBAMN
left have borne their evil fruit, here and in Europe, and we have to
deal with them like the vermin they are...
They are America's Public Enemy Number One.
They need to be identified and treated as such. They call themselves "Progressives." In reality, they are Global Socialists who live here in the US. They are opposed to every single moral and legal principle the Founders laid out in the Constitution and their stated goal is to destroy our nation from within and install their version of Socialism in its place. Whenever you hear the term "progressive values," know that you're hearing your enemy.
They hate this country and everyone in it who isn't one of them. They must be purged from our body politic and from society or they will take over from within. They are our self-identified enemies and need to be treated as such.
#PurgeProgressivismBAMN
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 03, 2019 01:27 PM (HaL55)
119
You mean the ones that could've shut this whole mess down a couple of years ago?
Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (2DpZX)
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^This. The GOPe couldn't be more happy to have this President continually compromised and obstructed.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
Then primary every repugnant you can. Every one.
Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (2DpZX)
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^This. The GOPe couldn't be more happy to have this President continually compromised and obstructed.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
Then primary every repugnant you can. Every one.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 03, 2019 01:28 PM (pcp3j)
120
Also, why aren't the Republicans in the Senate
summoning Mueller to testify? I really hope he doesn't get away with
saying, screw you Congress, I'm not answering any of your questions. And
the media was strangely satisfied with not asking any questions.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (J3qJd)
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Using the IC-FBI technique for releasing damaging "information", the Senate needs a "hook" to call in Mueller for questioning. I think the DOJ IG report on the FISA Court shenanigans plus a week for public marinating of the same would do just fine.
summoning Mueller to testify? I really hope he doesn't get away with
saying, screw you Congress, I'm not answering any of your questions. And
the media was strangely satisfied with not asking any questions.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (J3qJd)
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Using the IC-FBI technique for releasing damaging "information", the Senate needs a "hook" to call in Mueller for questioning. I think the DOJ IG report on the FISA Court shenanigans plus a week for public marinating of the same would do just fine.
Posted by: mrp at June 03, 2019 01:28 PM (Pqytn)
121
Mark Levin is an angry grandmother who must be made to smell the glove.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (Bdeb0)
SMELL THIS, YOU BIG DOPE!!!
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (Bdeb0)
SMELL THIS, YOU BIG DOPE!!!
Posted by: M. Levin's Blood Pressure Monitor at June 03, 2019 01:28 PM (oVJmc)
122
>>Remember her trip to prop up Assad in Syria? That's because Assad is a Russian stooge.
She's a Russian stooge.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (9cans)
That she's a Syrian stooge was clear. I hadn't seen that as extending to a Russian allegiance. Maybe so.
She's a Russian stooge.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (9cans)
That she's a Syrian stooge was clear. I hadn't seen that as extending to a Russian allegiance. Maybe so.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:28 PM (Bdeb0)
123
I'm totally with Ace about the National Divorce (I was thrown off Red State in 2012 for saying we were heading in that direction). I would prefer Levin's (or Instapundit's, or the many others who have called for it before Mark got on that bandwagon) Convention of States. Yes, its potentially deadly. But it might be the only way to avoid the Divorce, which will be messy, with many thrown plates, broken pieces of furniture, and the cops being called for disorderly conduct.
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:24 PM (1T0t0)
No way, not me.
Had a liberal-leaning prof in college thirty-five years ago pointing out that if we ever had that, all the special interest groups would rush in to have all their agendas enshrined into the Constitution.
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:24 PM (1T0t0)
No way, not me.
Had a liberal-leaning prof in college thirty-five years ago pointing out that if we ever had that, all the special interest groups would rush in to have all their agendas enshrined into the Constitution.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (NFEMn)
124
Sounds like Barr has actually established a Special Prosecutor properly...no of this open-ended witch hunt BS.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (Pg+x7)
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (Bdeb0)
127
Trump and pretty pretty Melania with Charles and Camilla.
I swear Trump's expression is like Al Czerik saying, "so, how much to buy this dump?"
http://bit.ly/2MoZahN
I swear Trump's expression is like Al Czerik saying, "so, how much to buy this dump?"
http://bit.ly/2MoZahN
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fuK7c)
128
They call themselves "Progressives." In reality, they are Global Socialists who live here in the US.
They don't seem much different than Stalinists to me. Not much at all.
They don't seem much different than Stalinists to me. Not much at all.
Posted by: Voting at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fbVsP)
129
123
No way, not me.
Had a liberal-leaning prof in college thirty-five years ago pointing out that if we ever had that, all the special interest groups would rush in to have all their agendas enshrined into the Constitution.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (NFEMn)
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Needs to get passed by 36 state legislatures.
That's a tremendously high bar for anything getting through.
I would imagine that the only things getting through would be relatively anodyne stuff like term limits and, if the legislatures are feeling saucy, a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Repealing the 2nd? Nope.
Making Abortion an explicitly protected right? Nope.
Repealing the Income Tax? Nope.
No way, not me.
Had a liberal-leaning prof in college thirty-five years ago pointing out that if we ever had that, all the special interest groups would rush in to have all their agendas enshrined into the Constitution.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (NFEMn)
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Needs to get passed by 36 state legislatures.
That's a tremendously high bar for anything getting through.
I would imagine that the only things getting through would be relatively anodyne stuff like term limits and, if the legislatures are feeling saucy, a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Repealing the 2nd? Nope.
Making Abortion an explicitly protected right? Nope.
Repealing the Income Tax? Nope.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (9cans)
130
Russian apologists are on our side today, which is weird and won't last.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (9cans)
Probably. Putin can't live forever. Russia today is a pest, but I think its mostly because they want some respect which they haven't really given them since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Not so Iran, who are real adversaries. Same with China. It infuriated me when Obola gave them billions in cool cash that they immediately spread around, killing more Americans (they were the largest suppliers of arms against us for the last 15 years in Iraq, and I don't forgive Bush for letting them slide).
I don't worship Trump, but he has really set the priorities where they need to be. China, Iran, Korea. Two Bushes, a Clinton, and a disease of the body politic have really left us screwed. God knows where we would be if Hillary had won (Kurt Schlichter's America?)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:20 PM (9cans)
Probably. Putin can't live forever. Russia today is a pest, but I think its mostly because they want some respect which they haven't really given them since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Not so Iran, who are real adversaries. Same with China. It infuriated me when Obola gave them billions in cool cash that they immediately spread around, killing more Americans (they were the largest suppliers of arms against us for the last 15 years in Iraq, and I don't forgive Bush for letting them slide).
I don't worship Trump, but he has really set the priorities where they need to be. China, Iran, Korea. Two Bushes, a Clinton, and a disease of the body politic have really left us screwed. God knows where we would be if Hillary had won (Kurt Schlichter's America?)
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (1T0t0)
131
"Were it not for my being compromised and incompetent, you would have never gotten William Barr. You're welcome." -- Jeff Sessions, 11-dimensional possim Grandmaster
Posted by: ShainS -- Quarter-Wit aspiring to be Half-Wit at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (MgJJP)
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120 Also, why aren't the Republicans in the Senate
summoning Mueller to testify? I really hope he doesn't get away with
saying, screw you Congress, I'm not answering any of your questions. And
the media was strangely satisfied with not asking any questions.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (J3qJd)
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Using the IC-FBI technique for releasing damaging "information", the Senate needs a "hook" to call in Mueller for questioning. I think the DOJ IG report on the FISA Court shenanigans plus a week for public marinating of the same would do just fine.
Posted by: mrp at June 03, 2019 01:28 PM (Pqytn)
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There's only one reason and his name is Cocaine Mitch.
summoning Mueller to testify? I really hope he doesn't get away with
saying, screw you Congress, I'm not answering any of your questions. And
the media was strangely satisfied with not asking any questions.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (J3qJd)
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Using the IC-FBI technique for releasing damaging "information", the Senate needs a "hook" to call in Mueller for questioning. I think the DOJ IG report on the FISA Court shenanigans plus a week for public marinating of the same would do just fine.
Posted by: mrp at June 03, 2019 01:28 PM (Pqytn)
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There's only one reason and his name is Cocaine Mitch.
Posted by: WisRich at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (G0vdT)
133
Yes, but how do you purge those judges and their staffs who failed in their due diligence responsibility?
When the FBI walks a writ to FISA who double-checks what the FBI submits?
Posted by: JEM
It's supposed to be the FBI General Counsel. Who was bypassed for the FISA warrant on Carter Page.
And the FBI General Counsel at the time (James Baker) is dirty too. He's starting to sing because he sees where this is going.
And lastly, the CIA Director, Gina Haspel, is a John Brennan loyalist, according to Jed Babbin.
When the FBI walks a writ to FISA who double-checks what the FBI submits?
Posted by: JEM
It's supposed to be the FBI General Counsel. Who was bypassed for the FISA warrant on Carter Page.
And the FBI General Counsel at the time (James Baker) is dirty too. He's starting to sing because he sees where this is going.
And lastly, the CIA Director, Gina Haspel, is a John Brennan loyalist, according to Jed Babbin.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (vcOmj)
134
128 They call themselves "Progressives." In reality, they are Global Socialists who live here in the US.
They don't seem much different than Stalinists to me. Not much at all.
Posted by: Voting at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fbVsP)
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"Splitters!"
-Leninists
They don't seem much different than Stalinists to me. Not much at all.
Posted by: Voting at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fbVsP)
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"Splitters!"
-Leninists
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (9cans)
135
Had a liberal-leaning prof in college thirty-five years ago pointing out that if we ever had that, all the special interest groups would rush in to have all their agendas enshrined into the Constitution.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (NFEMn)
That's exactly my concern.
If we do have a national divorce, I propose splitting the country in half.
We get the half above ground.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (NFEMn)
That's exactly my concern.
If we do have a national divorce, I propose splitting the country in half.
We get the half above ground.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (wCTys)
136
When Barr explained why Huber did nothing after being tasked to investigate the FISA Court abuses, that's the tell that Barr's in it to the final wrap-up.
Posted by: mrp at June 03, 2019 01:32 PM (Pqytn)
137
As others have said, Barr's only "action" WRT the media will be to lay out the facts - whatever's left of the civic culture, standards, or common sense will have to take care of the rest.
Yeah, I know. But true.
On the evergreen topic of media as neutral vs. media as partisans, it's hard to put into a snappy slogan or gross generalization, but there *was*, very much, a watchdog or effectively neutral role of the press in modern times, that has almost completely abandoned [it still exists in the "new" media, and corners of the old].
The Barr interview. There's an example of what used to be common.
Many may not be old enough to recall how Roger Mudd, in one interview, ended Ted Kennedy's [already ridiculous, and purely inertial] presidential quest. Bill Clinton didn't get enough help from the press to avoid being seen as a corrupt, scandal-drenched incompetent - for those paying attention [remember the farcical first wave of abortive cabinet appointments, one after the other being torpedoed by media frenzy?].
When Reagan was at the very apex of the Cold War struggle with the Russians, with nukes very much in the spotlight, who became a key State Dept. arms control official? The NYT' s Washington national security correspondent. Uh huh. Imagine anything like that being possible today.
Things *have* changed, they *were* very different, and over-generalizing about there never having been a real press is incorrect and understates the problem today.
Yeah, I know. But true.
On the evergreen topic of media as neutral vs. media as partisans, it's hard to put into a snappy slogan or gross generalization, but there *was*, very much, a watchdog or effectively neutral role of the press in modern times, that has almost completely abandoned [it still exists in the "new" media, and corners of the old].
The Barr interview. There's an example of what used to be common.
Many may not be old enough to recall how Roger Mudd, in one interview, ended Ted Kennedy's [already ridiculous, and purely inertial] presidential quest. Bill Clinton didn't get enough help from the press to avoid being seen as a corrupt, scandal-drenched incompetent - for those paying attention [remember the farcical first wave of abortive cabinet appointments, one after the other being torpedoed by media frenzy?].
When Reagan was at the very apex of the Cold War struggle with the Russians, with nukes very much in the spotlight, who became a key State Dept. arms control official? The NYT' s Washington national security correspondent. Uh huh. Imagine anything like that being possible today.
Things *have* changed, they *were* very different, and over-generalizing about there never having been a real press is incorrect and understates the problem today.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 03, 2019 01:32 PM (QDnY+)
138
Had a liberal-leaning prof in college thirty-five years ago pointing out that if we ever had that, all the special interest groups would rush in to have all their agendas enshrined into the Constitution.
That's been my objection since I started hearing people push a Constitutional Convention. Not only would every special interest swarm, but every political hobbyhorse as well.
That's been my objection since I started hearing people push a Constitutional Convention. Not only would every special interest swarm, but every political hobbyhorse as well.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 03, 2019 01:33 PM (9t0Zz)
139
"They don't seem much different than Stalinists to me. Not much at all."
Just the spelling.
Goals are identical.
Just the spelling.
Goals are identical.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2019 01:33 PM (cqNba)
140
136 When Barr explained why Huber did nothing after being tasked to investigate the FISA Court abuses, that's the tell that Barr's in it to the final wrap-up.
Posted by: mrp at June 03, 2019 01:32 PM (Pqytn)
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Just wait until Democrats impeach him in the House and...then the Senate acquits him...
Wait...how is impeachment supposed to help Democrats?
Posted by: mrp at June 03, 2019 01:32 PM (Pqytn)
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Just wait until Democrats impeach him in the House and...then the Senate acquits him...
Wait...how is impeachment supposed to help Democrats?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:33 PM (9cans)
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>>It's weird how this is shaking out and who knows where it will be 10 years from now....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (NFEMn)
A couple of times in the Republic's history, there have been shifts where the two sides basically switched. If we are inclined to wonder how that could have happened, we are witnessing it right now. Basically, the natural drift of history and institutions is "leftward," or towards resistance and the many forms of totalitarianism that it produces, all predicated on Utopia. Eventually that drift will facilitate to a flanking maneuver.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:16 PM (NFEMn)
A couple of times in the Republic's history, there have been shifts where the two sides basically switched. If we are inclined to wonder how that could have happened, we are witnessing it right now. Basically, the natural drift of history and institutions is "leftward," or towards resistance and the many forms of totalitarianism that it produces, all predicated on Utopia. Eventually that drift will facilitate to a flanking maneuver.
Posted by: Caliban at June 03, 2019 01:33 PM (opA8E)
142
>>We get the half above ground.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (wCTys)
Or we get a Morlock-Eloi division.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (wCTys)
Or we get a Morlock-Eloi division.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:33 PM (Bdeb0)
143
Naziism, Marxism, Islamism...... no functional differences....
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (90T4r)
144
133 Yes, but how do you purge those judges and their staffs who failed in their due diligence responsibility?
When the FBI walks a writ to FISA who double-checks what the FBI submits?
Posted by: JEM
It's supposed to be the FBI General Counsel. Who was bypassed for the FISA warrant on Carter Page.
And the FBI General Counsel at the time (James Baker) is dirty too. He's starting to sing because he sees where this is going.
In my view, the jury is out on the FISA courts. Presumably they have to act on the information provided to them by the FBI. If the FBI swears itself blue that their allegations are on the up and up, I don't see what alternative a FISA judge has other to accept their representation. He's in no position to investigate their claims.
When the FBI walks a writ to FISA who double-checks what the FBI submits?
Posted by: JEM
It's supposed to be the FBI General Counsel. Who was bypassed for the FISA warrant on Carter Page.
And the FBI General Counsel at the time (James Baker) is dirty too. He's starting to sing because he sees where this is going.
In my view, the jury is out on the FISA courts. Presumably they have to act on the information provided to them by the FBI. If the FBI swears itself blue that their allegations are on the up and up, I don't see what alternative a FISA judge has other to accept their representation. He's in no position to investigate their claims.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (wCTys)
145
I don't fear Russia, but I don't trust them. They are pretty close to being a Thugocracy.
But I do think they would rather be friendly rivals with us than outright enemies.
And I agree they crave our respect.
But I do think they would rather be friendly rivals with us than outright enemies.
And I agree they crave our respect.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (NFEMn)
146
I don't worship Trump, but he has really set the priorities where they need to be. China, Iran, Korea. Two Bushes, a Clinton, and a disease of the body politic have really left us screwed. God knows where we would be if Hillary had won (Kurt Schlichter's America?)
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh
Real people notice.
Trump has a good relationship with Shinzo Abe (Japanese PM) because he has stood up to China and N. Korea (which benefits Japan) and the Japanese know it.
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh
Real people notice.
Trump has a good relationship with Shinzo Abe (Japanese PM) because he has stood up to China and N. Korea (which benefits Japan) and the Japanese know it.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (vcOmj)
147
123 I'm totally with Ace about the National Divorce (I was thrown off Red State in 2012 for saying we were heading in that direction). I would prefer Levin's (or Instapundit's, or the many others who have called for it before Mark got on that bandwagon) Convention of States. Yes, its potentially deadly. But it might be the only way to avoid the Divorce, which will be messy, with many thrown plates, broken pieces of furniture, and the cops being called for disorderly conduct.
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:24 PM (1T0t0)
No way, not me.
Had a liberal-leaning prof in college thirty-five years ago pointing out that if we ever had that, all the special interest groups would rush in to have all their agendas enshrined into the Constitution.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (NFEMn)
Joe's right.
Opening up the sick patient, the USA as it exists, to rework the Constitution will not go in our favor, I think. It would be a pork rush to rival the land rush of Oklahoma.
I don't have an answer except to say one will be forced to submit to the other. It will be us kneeling or it will be them. No other solution seems workable. We can't divorce on regional basis, nor on a county level.
Divorce would just kick the can down the road and make the eventual war all the worse.
There are probably 5,000 to 50,000 assholes who need to die. And if they do, the Republic can recover.
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:24 PM (1T0t0)
No way, not me.
Had a liberal-leaning prof in college thirty-five years ago pointing out that if we ever had that, all the special interest groups would rush in to have all their agendas enshrined into the Constitution.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM (NFEMn)
Joe's right.
Opening up the sick patient, the USA as it exists, to rework the Constitution will not go in our favor, I think. It would be a pork rush to rival the land rush of Oklahoma.
I don't have an answer except to say one will be forced to submit to the other. It will be us kneeling or it will be them. No other solution seems workable. We can't divorce on regional basis, nor on a county level.
Divorce would just kick the can down the road and make the eventual war all the worse.
There are probably 5,000 to 50,000 assholes who need to die. And if they do, the Republic can recover.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (bcbK8)
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one decent theory is that the globalist cabal is a threat to all nation states, especially if they get (even more) control of the US Superpower.
Macron and Merkel are fully on board with their own globalist division in the EU, and Hillary/Kerry/Jarret seemed to be hand in glove with them.
But Russia ... probably not. In that sense it is possible Putin did prefer Trump, but then again, he was getting control of US with Uranium One (cornering the market, sort of) ... the same way Putin had leverage over Europe via natural gas (and oil I guess).
But I don't know where all these covert ops are heading ... some say we need a Russia/India/US alliance, not a China/Pakistan/US alliance ... I don't know that much about geo-political force structure to have a solid opinion ... except the former seems more Western.
Macron and Merkel are fully on board with their own globalist division in the EU, and Hillary/Kerry/Jarret seemed to be hand in glove with them.
But Russia ... probably not. In that sense it is possible Putin did prefer Trump, but then again, he was getting control of US with Uranium One (cornering the market, sort of) ... the same way Putin had leverage over Europe via natural gas (and oil I guess).
But I don't know where all these covert ops are heading ... some say we need a Russia/India/US alliance, not a China/Pakistan/US alliance ... I don't know that much about geo-political force structure to have a solid opinion ... except the former seems more Western.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (Cus5s)
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(btw, melania is smashing in that hat. it stole the show.)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 03, 2019 01:35 PM (Pg+x7)
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Real people notice.
Trump has a good relationship with Shinzo Abe (Japanese PM) because he has stood up to China and N. Korea (which benefits Japan) and the Japanese know it.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (vcOmj)
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"But the fish food! Didn't you see the fish food!?!?!?"
-Leftist, driven by logic and not emotion
Real people notice.
Trump has a good relationship with Shinzo Abe (Japanese PM) because he has stood up to China and N. Korea (which benefits Japan) and the Japanese know it.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (vcOmj)
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"But the fish food! Didn't you see the fish food!?!?!?"
-Leftist, driven by logic and not emotion
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:35 PM (9cans)
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Nuke DC to get them all - case closed.
Posted by: DaveA at June 03, 2019 01:35 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: FBI at June 03, 2019 01:35 PM (lbnGJ)
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A couple of times in the Republic's history, there have been shifts where the two sides basically switched
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Yup. See the Civil Rights movement in the '60's....
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Yup. See the Civil Rights movement in the '60's....
Posted by: Universities, the Media and the Democrats at June 03, 2019 01:36 PM (NFEMn)
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>>N. Korea (which benefits Japan) and the Japanese know it. Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (vcOmj)
Would love to hear a Shinzo Abe gettin' real with North Korea:
"Don't make us come over there again."
Would love to hear a Shinzo Abe gettin' real with North Korea:
"Don't make us come over there again."
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:36 PM (Bdeb0)
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They don't seem much different than Stalinists to me. Not much at all.
It's a distinction without much of a difference. Socialists, Communists, Progressives, Stalinists, Maoists, they're all just minor variations on the theme of central control with them at the top of everything.
All of them are our enemies. We'd better start dealing with them as the enemies they are or we're going to dearly regret not doing so. Look at the damage they've already done to academia and mass media.
I have only one message to them: Fuck you. War.
It's a distinction without much of a difference. Socialists, Communists, Progressives, Stalinists, Maoists, they're all just minor variations on the theme of central control with them at the top of everything.
All of them are our enemies. We'd better start dealing with them as the enemies they are or we're going to dearly regret not doing so. Look at the damage they've already done to academia and mass media.
I have only one message to them: Fuck you. War.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 03, 2019 01:36 PM (HaL55)
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152 You fucked up.
You trusted us.
Posted by: FBI at June 03, 2019 01:35 PM (lbnGJ)
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I trusted you more than Delta Tau Chi.
That was my mistake.
You trusted us.
Posted by: FBI at June 03, 2019 01:35 PM (lbnGJ)
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I trusted you more than Delta Tau Chi.
That was my mistake.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:36 PM (9cans)
Posted by: Zombie Mao at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (lbnGJ)
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153 A couple of times in the Republic's history, there have been shifts where the two sides basically switched
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Yup. See the Civil Rights movement in the '60's....
Posted by: Universities, the Media and the Democrats at June 03, 2019 01:36 PM (NFEMn)
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"Hail FDR and Woodrow Wilson."
-Conservatives and Republicans today
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Yup. See the Civil Rights movement in the '60's....
Posted by: Universities, the Media and the Democrats at June 03, 2019 01:36 PM (NFEMn)
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"Hail FDR and Woodrow Wilson."
-Conservatives and Republicans today
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (9cans)
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(btw, melania is smashing in that hat. it stole the show.)
I read that it's supposed to be an Audrey Hepburn / My Fair Lady reference.
She totally pulls it off.
I read that it's supposed to be an Audrey Hepburn / My Fair Lady reference.
She totally pulls it off.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (fuK7c)
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127 Trump and pretty pretty Melania with Charles and Camilla.
I swear Trump's expression is like Al Czerik saying, "so, how much to buy this dump?"
http://bit.ly/2MoZahN
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fuK7c)
"Hey, I gotta tell ya..."
I swear Trump's expression is like Al Czerik saying, "so, how much to buy this dump?"
http://bit.ly/2MoZahN
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fuK7c)
"Hey, I gotta tell ya..."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (bcbK8)
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Only Russian connections to Russiagate are the Democrats
Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (BbGew)
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Tucker had a guy on from The Nation, I think a different guy, on this subject though, iirc.
Posted by: illiniwek
Tucker has had Cohen on several times to talk about Russia. He was a reliable supporter of the USSR back in the the 80's. He was on The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour almost every week criticizing US policy towards the USSR. He is married to Katrina vanden Heuvel.
Tucker had a guy on from The Nation, I think a different guy, on this subject though, iirc.
Posted by: illiniwek
Tucker has had Cohen on several times to talk about Russia. He was a reliable supporter of the USSR back in the the 80's. He was on The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour almost every week criticizing US policy towards the USSR. He is married to Katrina vanden Heuvel.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 03, 2019 01:38 PM (aKsyK)
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There are probably 5,000 to 50,000 assholes who need to die. And if they do, the Republic can recover.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (bcbK
So you're saying we might need C-130s instead of helicopters?
There are probably 5,000 to 50,000 assholes who need to die. And if they do, the Republic can recover.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (bcbK
So you're saying we might need C-130s instead of helicopters?
Posted by: rickl at June 03, 2019 01:38 PM (xjiRE)
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Wait...how is impeachment supposed to help Democrats?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:33 PM (9cans)
It doesn't except in the sense that they may be able to keep their rabid base appeased. They set their own selves up on this one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:33 PM (9cans)
It doesn't except in the sense that they may be able to keep their rabid base appeased. They set their own selves up on this one.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:38 PM (hLRSq)
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Repealing the 2nd? Nope.
Making Abortion an explicitly protected right? Nope.
Repealing the Income Tax? Nope.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers
Maybe repealing the 17th? That would solve a whole slew of problems, and I think the States would be totally on board with that.
That being said, I understand Joe's fear. I have it too. But my wife is from the former Yugoslavia, and I have seen what happens during civil wars. Her father was shot trying to keep his muslim friends and coworkers from being slaughtered (he was the serbian manager and chief engineer of the local coal mine). While visiting his grave, my wife pointed out the young brothers who were hunted in the hills and murdered by the Bosniak (i.e., muslim) Yugoslavs, the long couple burned in their house, etc. It got ugly and left devastation in its wake that they haven't even come close to getting over.
By the way, when the US went over there, they had no problem "moving" mass amounts of Serbians around the country, taking them from their homes, and then handing those homes and properties over the the new Bosnian govt as a primary muslim area. I think this was part of Bill trying to suck up the the Muslim world, and it didn't work...
Making Abortion an explicitly protected right? Nope.
Repealing the Income Tax? Nope.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers
Maybe repealing the 17th? That would solve a whole slew of problems, and I think the States would be totally on board with that.
That being said, I understand Joe's fear. I have it too. But my wife is from the former Yugoslavia, and I have seen what happens during civil wars. Her father was shot trying to keep his muslim friends and coworkers from being slaughtered (he was the serbian manager and chief engineer of the local coal mine). While visiting his grave, my wife pointed out the young brothers who were hunted in the hills and murdered by the Bosniak (i.e., muslim) Yugoslavs, the long couple burned in their house, etc. It got ugly and left devastation in its wake that they haven't even come close to getting over.
By the way, when the US went over there, they had no problem "moving" mass amounts of Serbians around the country, taking them from their homes, and then handing those homes and properties over the the new Bosnian govt as a primary muslim area. I think this was part of Bill trying to suck up the the Muslim world, and it didn't work...
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:38 PM (1T0t0)
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@KateBennett_DC
NEW: @FLOTUS wearing a custom @dolcegabbana dress for her meeting with the Queen today. The hat is an original design by her couturier, designer Hervé Pierre. Here is Pierre's sketch of the hat:
https://tinyurl.com/yy8et7sz
NEW: @FLOTUS wearing a custom @dolcegabbana dress for her meeting with the Queen today. The hat is an original design by her couturier, designer Hervé Pierre. Here is Pierre's sketch of the hat:
https://tinyurl.com/yy8et7sz
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:39 PM (cF8AT)
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I don't fear Russia, but I don't trust them. They are pretty close to being a Thugocracy.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (NFEMn)
They're pursuing what they view as their own national self-interests. They are less of a threat to us than the EU.
And their support of Assad is logical. Our insistence on removing Assad is not. We need more brutal dictators in the Middle East emulating Western culture - not less.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (NFEMn)
They're pursuing what they view as their own national self-interests. They are less of a threat to us than the EU.
And their support of Assad is logical. Our insistence on removing Assad is not. We need more brutal dictators in the Middle East emulating Western culture - not less.
Posted by: Voting at June 03, 2019 01:39 PM (fbVsP)
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OT: on twitter I received a promoted tweet from the CA SOS wanting me to "return" my ballot for Senate District 1 or 33. Lots of advice on how to return without even wasting a stamp. Mainly pushed letting a harvester collect it. I don't live in CA, so this was moot for me, but how much do these ads cost to promote and why would those two districts be the focus?
Posted by: Ever at June 03, 2019 01:39 PM (ZZDMQ)
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For those of you who say the MSM is losing power/control, think again.
There was a story in the NYT recently about tax cuts, showing the comparison of people who got a cut vs people who think they got a cut. 90% of earners over $100K got a cut, but only 45% think they got a cut.
The MSM only focused on the new SALT caps, and 1/2 the population now thinks they pay more even though the pay less tax. The MSM's power to persuade public opinion hasn't decreased at all.
There was a story in the NYT recently about tax cuts, showing the comparison of people who got a cut vs people who think they got a cut. 90% of earners over $100K got a cut, but only 45% think they got a cut.
The MSM only focused on the new SALT caps, and 1/2 the population now thinks they pay more even though the pay less tax. The MSM's power to persuade public opinion hasn't decreased at all.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:39 PM (FiUMj)
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>>He was on The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour almost every week criticizing US policy towards the USSR. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 03, 2019 01:38 PM (aKsyK)
Reminds me of Vladimir Posner, professional USSR apologist.
Reminds me of Vladimir Posner, professional USSR apologist.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:40 PM (Bdeb0)
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163 147
There are probably 5,000 to 50,000 assholes who need to die. And if they do, the Republic can recover.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (bcbK
So you're saying we might need C-130s instead of helicopters?
Posted by: rickl at June 03, 2019 01:38 PM (xjiRE)
Yep. Or a Purge Night.
There are probably 5,000 to 50,000 assholes who need to die. And if they do, the Republic can recover.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (bcbK
So you're saying we might need C-130s instead of helicopters?
Posted by: rickl at June 03, 2019 01:38 PM (xjiRE)
Yep. Or a Purge Night.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:40 PM (bcbK8)
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There are probably 5,000 to 50,000 assholes who need to die. And if they do, the Republic can recover.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (bcbK
Pinochet is the word
Is the word that you heard
It's got groove it's got meaning
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (bcbK
Pinochet is the word
Is the word that you heard
It's got groove it's got meaning
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 03, 2019 01:40 PM (OLCnA)
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saw this on Facebook the other day ... Scalia saying the people feel (and are) powerless since their elected fed reps have decided to ignore them and only care about money and getting reelected.
This is Scalia from around 1977, advocating for the convention of states.
youtube.com/watch?v=wB3ERZjMTPE
This is Scalia from around 1977, advocating for the convention of states.
youtube.com/watch?v=wB3ERZjMTPE
Posted by: illiniwek at June 03, 2019 01:40 PM (Cus5s)
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Mueller Report Page 1 Para 2:
The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and
systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In
June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that
Russian hackers had compromised its computer network.
Releases of hacked materials-hacks
that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government-began that same month.
public reporting!! Mueller report never said where Wiki got the DNC stuff. Whole report is total bullshit.
The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and
systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In
June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that
Russian hackers had compromised its computer network.
Releases of hacked materials-hacks
that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government-began that same month.
public reporting!! Mueller report never said where Wiki got the DNC stuff. Whole report is total bullshit.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (JFO2v)
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So what Brett is saying is that physical removal of White men is possible in America! Yay!!!!
Posted by: Paisley Ford at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (ALaia)
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These are not smart or honest people.
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I still laugh when I hear one of them say, "The President's hand-picked AG!!!!11!!1!!"
Duh - every AG is hand-picked.
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I still laugh when I hear one of them say, "The President's hand-picked AG!!!!11!!1!!"
Duh - every AG is hand-picked.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (vg8iE)
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164 Wait...how is impeachment supposed to help Democrats?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:33 PM (9cans)
It doesn't except in the sense that they may be able to keep their rabid base appeased. They set their own selves up on this one.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:38 PM (hLRSq)
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No, it won't.
Successful impeachment and a failure to get conviction in the Senate is something I'm not sure the activist left thinks much about.
It's possible that they don't know that the Senate would play a roll in the process at all, and they believe that a House impeachment vote would be the literal end of Trump.
Maybe, in some twisted way, it would convince the activist left to fight harder for the Senate, but if the acquittal vote ends up something like 55-45 (a couple of Democrats voting for acquittal), it becomes the question of what good came of this? What composition of the Senate will lead to conviction?
It's an insanely high bar, and I think that once the activist left realized that it would demoralize them, especially with a Trump win in 2020.
The establishment really did box themselves in by not tamping down on impeachment talk right after they got the House.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:33 PM (9cans)
It doesn't except in the sense that they may be able to keep their rabid base appeased. They set their own selves up on this one.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:38 PM (hLRSq)
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No, it won't.
Successful impeachment and a failure to get conviction in the Senate is something I'm not sure the activist left thinks much about.
It's possible that they don't know that the Senate would play a roll in the process at all, and they believe that a House impeachment vote would be the literal end of Trump.
Maybe, in some twisted way, it would convince the activist left to fight harder for the Senate, but if the acquittal vote ends up something like 55-45 (a couple of Democrats voting for acquittal), it becomes the question of what good came of this? What composition of the Senate will lead to conviction?
It's an insanely high bar, and I think that once the activist left realized that it would demoralize them, especially with a Trump win in 2020.
The establishment really did box themselves in by not tamping down on impeachment talk right after they got the House.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (9cans)
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"Hail FDR and Woodrow Wilson."
-Conservatives and Republicans today
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (9cans)
Those bastards started us on this pathway. Wilson with his progressive 17th amendment that took away state's rights, and FDR for starting the current socialist welfare state (that we will leave once we collapse).
Yes, I know what you mean by "Conservatives and Republicans today" - they are no friends of America as it was founded, or the people who would like to see it somewhat restored...
-Conservatives and Republicans today
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (9cans)
Those bastards started us on this pathway. Wilson with his progressive 17th amendment that took away state's rights, and FDR for starting the current socialist welfare state (that we will leave once we collapse).
Yes, I know what you mean by "Conservatives and Republicans today" - they are no friends of America as it was founded, or the people who would like to see it somewhat restored...
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (1T0t0)
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Reminds me of Vladimir Posner, professional USSR apologist.
Hah! That's a blast from the past.
He did some interesting gyrations in the immediate post-Soviet period. I haven't seen him now in years.
Hah! That's a blast from the past.
He did some interesting gyrations in the immediate post-Soviet period. I haven't seen him now in years.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (fuK7c)
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The Nation is a voluntary Soviet information campaign that outlived its KGB handlers. But, blind squirrel, acorn, some assembly required. Plus this particular story is remarkably non-spittle-flecked.
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at June 03, 2019 01:42 PM (RD7QR)
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114 Mark Levin is an angry grandmother who must be made to smell the glove.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (Bdeb0)
LOL!
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:25 PM (Bdeb0)
LOL!
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:42 PM (1T0t0)
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I remember back in the dark ages (before the internet) when I learned about yellow journalism in school. How horrible it was and how it stampeded us into terrible wars and other recklessness... and then we were told that the press wasn't like that anymore and Walter Cronkite and his compatriots were only interested in Truth, Justice and the American Way just like Superman and his sidekick in the press, Jimmy Olson.
Good times. Good times.
Good times. Good times.
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at June 03, 2019 01:42 PM (ZlkUF)
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Someone mentioned Scalia..... I will likely never be 100% convinced his death was natural, given the nature of our enemies...
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:42 PM (90T4r)
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You think all that CNN bullshit happened by accident?
They program shit out weeks and months, it's hilarious.
You think all that CNN bullshit happened by accident?
They program shit out weeks and months, it's hilarious.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Williams at June 03, 2019 01:43 PM (7wsmM)
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Forget the "origins"
Follow the FISA "renewals"
Follow the FISA "renewals"
Posted by: Deep Trote at June 03, 2019 01:43 PM (koNhm)
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Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:39 PM (cF8AT)
Remember all of the designers that vowed they would never design for the first lady?
Yeah, those heady days of late 2016- early 2017...
Remember all of the designers that vowed they would never design for the first lady?
Yeah, those heady days of late 2016- early 2017...
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:43 PM (hLRSq)
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#174
And didn't the DNC refuse to turn over their network servers to the FBI for investigation? Why? And why would Mueller include that in his report without any federal investigation findings regarding the alleged DNC "hack"?
And didn't the DNC refuse to turn over their network servers to the FBI for investigation? Why? And why would Mueller include that in his report without any federal investigation findings regarding the alleged DNC "hack"?
Posted by: mrp at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (Pqytn)
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147 Opening up the sick patient, the USA as it exists, to rework the Constitution will not go in our favor, I think. It would be a pork rush to rival the land rush of Oklahoma.
I saw Pork Rush open for Bread Styx at the Sugar Bowl back in the noughties.
I saw Pork Rush open for Bread Styx at the Sugar Bowl back in the noughties.
Posted by: Anachronda at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (sGtp+)
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But, blind squirrel, acorn, some assembly required.
Ahem. Per alexthediminutive, it's "even a blink squirrel fucks a pumpkin twice a day".
Ahem. Per alexthediminutive, it's "even a blink squirrel fucks a pumpkin twice a day".
Posted by: AoSHQ Style Guide at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (fuK7c)
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178 "Hail FDR and Woodrow Wilson."
-Conservatives and Republicans today
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (9cans)
Those bastards started us on this pathway. Wilson with his progressive 17th amendment that took away state's rights, and FDR for starting the current socialist welfare state (that we will leave once we collapse).
Yes, I know what you mean by "Conservatives and Republicans today" - they are no friends of America as it was founded, or the people who would like to see it somewhat restored...
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (1T0t0)
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No, I think you may have missed my satirical point.
The comment was in response to the idea that D/R's switched in the 60s. If that's the case, then modern day Republicans would revere Wilson/FDR and modern day Democrats would revere Calvin Coolidge.
The idea of the switch is just a dumb way for Democrats to claim more moral authority from the Civil Rights Act (which more Republicans voted for than Democrats proportionally) and to lay claim to Lincoln.
-Conservatives and Republicans today
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (9cans)
Those bastards started us on this pathway. Wilson with his progressive 17th amendment that took away state's rights, and FDR for starting the current socialist welfare state (that we will leave once we collapse).
Yes, I know what you mean by "Conservatives and Republicans today" - they are no friends of America as it was founded, or the people who would like to see it somewhat restored...
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (1T0t0)
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No, I think you may have missed my satirical point.
The comment was in response to the idea that D/R's switched in the 60s. If that's the case, then modern day Republicans would revere Wilson/FDR and modern day Democrats would revere Calvin Coolidge.
The idea of the switch is just a dumb way for Democrats to claim more moral authority from the Civil Rights Act (which more Republicans voted for than Democrats proportionally) and to lay claim to Lincoln.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (9cans)
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Impeachment helps Dems fire up the base. Elections are no longer about persuading the other side to vote for you. It's all about getting your side fired up to vote.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (FiUMj)
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127 Trump and pretty pretty Melania with Charles and Camilla.
I swear Trump's expression is like Al Czerik saying, "so, how much to buy this dump?"
http://bit.ly/2MoZahN
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fuK7c)
"Hey, I gotta tell ya..."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (bcbK
+++Very odd twist of fate. When Charles married Diana I thought the Camilla relationship was over. Now there she is, hosting the President and First Lady in her home. I know now that he never gave her up and the Diana marriage was a farce to guarantee heirs.
127 Trump and pretty pretty Melania with Charles and Camilla.
I swear Trump's expression is like Al Czerik saying, "so, how much to buy this dump?"
http://bit.ly/2MoZahN
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fuK7c)
"Hey, I gotta tell ya..."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:37 PM (bcbK
+++Very odd twist of fate. When Charles married Diana I thought the Camilla relationship was over. Now there she is, hosting the President and First Lady in her home. I know now that he never gave her up and the Diana marriage was a farce to guarantee heirs.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (EjlXc)
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For all the reference to Russian obstruction to the election I have never heard exactly what they did that was so awful. Again the Mexican government in conjunction with Mexican nationals did infinitely more.
Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (BbGew)
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166 @KateBennett_DC
NEW: @FLOTUS wearing a custom @dolcegabbana dress for her meeting with the Queen today. The hat is an original design by her couturier, designer Herv Pierre. Here is Pierre's sketch of the hat:
https://tinyurl.com/yy8et7sz
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:39 PM (cF8AT)
Twitter campaign to boycott and destroy D&G in 3, 2, 1...
NEW: @FLOTUS wearing a custom @dolcegabbana dress for her meeting with the Queen today. The hat is an original design by her couturier, designer Herv Pierre. Here is Pierre's sketch of the hat:
https://tinyurl.com/yy8et7sz
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:39 PM (cF8AT)
Twitter campaign to boycott and destroy D&G in 3, 2, 1...
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (J3qJd)
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@187
"And didn't the DNC refuse to turn over their network servers to the FBI for investigation? Why? And why would Mueller include that in his report without any federal investigation findings regarding the alleged DNC "hack"?"
And let's not forget that Mueller's team itself deleted 1000s of Sztrok/Page texts. He should charge himself with Obstruction.
"And didn't the DNC refuse to turn over their network servers to the FBI for investigation? Why? And why would Mueller include that in his report without any federal investigation findings regarding the alleged DNC "hack"?"
And let's not forget that Mueller's team itself deleted 1000s of Sztrok/Page texts. He should charge himself with Obstruction.
Posted by: Deep Trote at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (koNhm)
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"Spygate is the first American scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently but the media want to cover them up."
No shit, Sherlock.
Except there is a big part of gummint, the leftist radical House, that wants it covered up as well. This, while they whine that Mueller needs to come back and say more.
No shit, Sherlock.
Except there is a big part of gummint, the leftist radical House, that wants it covered up as well. This, while they whine that Mueller needs to come back and say more.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (+fPHo)
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188 147 Opening up the sick patient, the USA as it exists, to rework the Constitution will not go in our favor, I think. It would be a pork rush to rival the land rush of Oklahoma.
I saw Pork Rush open for Bread Styx at the Sugar Bowl back in the noughties.
Posted by: Anachronda at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (sGtp+)
I bow to the master of mixed metaphors.
Well done.
I saw Pork Rush open for Bread Styx at the Sugar Bowl back in the noughties.
Posted by: Anachronda at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (sGtp+)
I bow to the master of mixed metaphors.
Well done.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (bcbK8)
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Hey man. FDR is a hero. He saved us from the Great Depression!!!!!
- Typical American
- Typical American
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: AoSHQ Style Guide at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (fuK7c)
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@174
Yeah it's complete and utter horseshit.
The DNC refused to let the FBI take possesion of the Server then had an outsourced company, Crowd Strike, 'analyse' the server, then they wrote a report saying yep, it was Russians.
So again, the FBI simply took at face value the assertions of and outfit bought and paid for by the DNC.
Just like the dossier.
The FBI needs to be dissolved. We pay billions to these incompetent buffoons and they don't even do any of the work.
Yeah it's complete and utter horseshit.
The DNC refused to let the FBI take possesion of the Server then had an outsourced company, Crowd Strike, 'analyse' the server, then they wrote a report saying yep, it was Russians.
So again, the FBI simply took at face value the assertions of and outfit bought and paid for by the DNC.
Just like the dossier.
The FBI needs to be dissolved. We pay billions to these incompetent buffoons and they don't even do any of the work.
Posted by: John The Savage at June 03, 2019 01:46 PM (Mzkan)
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177 Successful impeachment and a failure to get conviction in the Senate is something I'm not sure the activist left thinks much about.
sure they do. Clinton would be avenged.
sure they do. Clinton would be avenged.
Posted by: Anachronda at June 03, 2019 01:46 PM (sGtp+)
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191 Impeachment helps Dems fire up the base. Elections are no longer about persuading the other side to vote for you. It's all about getting your side fired up to vote.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (FiUMj)
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How does an impeachment vote followed by a very quick acquittal affect the left's base?
Cause that's what would happen if the Democrats managed to pass impeachment in the House.
The Democratic Establishment either has no idea, or has a good idea that it would depress their base tremendously. So, they want the issue but not the actual vote. They'll keep playing footsie with the idea without ever pulling the trigger, providing their base with a healthy case of blue balls just in time for the election.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (FiUMj)
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How does an impeachment vote followed by a very quick acquittal affect the left's base?
Cause that's what would happen if the Democrats managed to pass impeachment in the House.
The Democratic Establishment either has no idea, or has a good idea that it would depress their base tremendously. So, they want the issue but not the actual vote. They'll keep playing footsie with the idea without ever pulling the trigger, providing their base with a healthy case of blue balls just in time for the election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:46 PM (9cans)
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I remember Blinky the Squirrel and Bullwinkle.....
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:47 PM (90T4r)
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143 Naziism, Marxism, Islamism...... no functional differences....
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (90T4r)
Hitler & the commies had their faults, but they didn't fuck goats.
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:34 PM (90T4r)
Hitler & the commies had their faults, but they didn't fuck goats.
Posted by: josephistan at June 03, 2019 01:47 PM (7HtZB)
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LOL...FB and Apple stocks tumble on "fears" OrangeManBad will investigate them for antitrust violations.
Burn in hell Cuckerberg.
Burn in hell Cuckerberg.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:47 PM (FiUMj)
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But Russia ... probably not. In that sense it is possible Putin did prefer Trump, but then again, he was getting control of US with Uranium One (cornering the market, sort of) ... the same way Putin had leverage over Europe via natural gas (and oil I guess).
Kremlin:
do we push the inexperienced guy who advocates policies that'll hurt us, hoping he's full of crap and will make a mistake or prove to be a liar, or do we push the woman that Putin hates personally but all of whose policies benefit us as a nation state?
Kremlin:
do we push the inexperienced guy who advocates policies that'll hurt us, hoping he's full of crap and will make a mistake or prove to be a liar, or do we push the woman that Putin hates personally but all of whose policies benefit us as a nation state?
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:48 PM (8erNz)
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I wonder if OMB has had Prince Charlie get his shine box yet......??
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:48 PM (90T4r)
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My guess is they time impeachment for early fall next year. The campaign will be nothing but impeachment talk and the Dems bet there will be no action in the senate. It's not about actually impeaching.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:49 PM (FiUMj)
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@205 "LOL...FB and Apple stocks tumble on "fears" OrangeManBad will investigate them for antitrust violations.
Burn in hell Cuckerberg. --Lurking Lurker"
Yes, much as Bonnie and Clyde "feared" federal charges for bank robbery
Burn in hell Cuckerberg. --Lurking Lurker"
Yes, much as Bonnie and Clyde "feared" federal charges for bank robbery
Posted by: Deep Trote at June 03, 2019 01:49 PM (koNhm)
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The Kavalec Memo debunking the Steele "dossier" is the clincher.
Posted by: mrp at June 03, 2019 01:49 PM (Pqytn)
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The establishment really did box themselves in by not tamping down on impeachment talk right after they got the House.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (9cans)
I didn't say it was a good plan or that it wouldn't damage the Democrats - outside of the ones in the absolutely safe districts who are fundraising like all get-out off of it. It was a dumb idea but it was all swept up in the hysteria once the Golden Scalp Weasel won and they went through every possible thing to keep him out of office from trying to get electors to switch their votes, to celebrity PSAs, to getting Congress not to certify the election, and so on. I think it was just like the tide, just as inexorable, that they went to impeachment. And now that is gone, but the frenzied mob is still there wanting to burn a monster and they don't look like they would be real picky about definitions.
The establishment really did box themselves in by not tamping down on impeachment talk right after they got the House.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (9cans)
I didn't say it was a good plan or that it wouldn't damage the Democrats - outside of the ones in the absolutely safe districts who are fundraising like all get-out off of it. It was a dumb idea but it was all swept up in the hysteria once the Golden Scalp Weasel won and they went through every possible thing to keep him out of office from trying to get electors to switch their votes, to celebrity PSAs, to getting Congress not to certify the election, and so on. I think it was just like the tide, just as inexorable, that they went to impeachment. And now that is gone, but the frenzied mob is still there wanting to burn a monster and they don't look like they would be real picky about definitions.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:49 PM (hLRSq)
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205 LOL...FB and Apple stocks tumble on "fears" OrangeManBad will investigate them for antitrust violations.
If you want to hurt the Chinese in the US trade arena you just start pushing crates of iPhones into the Pacific.
You will not make serious headway on China as a trade adversary until you start hurting those 'American' companies who depend on the Middle Kingdom nearly 100% for production.
If you want to hurt the Chinese in the US trade arena you just start pushing crates of iPhones into the Pacific.
You will not make serious headway on China as a trade adversary until you start hurting those 'American' companies who depend on the Middle Kingdom nearly 100% for production.
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (8erNz)
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Impeachment helps Dems fire up the base. Elections are no longer about persuading the other side to vote for you. It's all about getting your side fired up to vote.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (FiUMj)
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This a tough situation for them - they can appease the base with impeachment, and probably lose more voters in the middle. So obviously not a great outcome there.
But - they've got their NPC mob whipped into a bloodthirsty frenzy, shooting Congressmen, lighting themselves on fire, hitting people with bike locks, burning things, attacking Senators at their homes, smashing storefronts, stealing Congressional data, doxxing people, "milkshaking" them, faking hate crimes, jumping people for wearing MAGA hats, and on and on and on.
That mob will need to be sated, and I don't think mealy-mouthed half-measures will do the trick.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (FiUMj)
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This a tough situation for them - they can appease the base with impeachment, and probably lose more voters in the middle. So obviously not a great outcome there.
But - they've got their NPC mob whipped into a bloodthirsty frenzy, shooting Congressmen, lighting themselves on fire, hitting people with bike locks, burning things, attacking Senators at their homes, smashing storefronts, stealing Congressional data, doxxing people, "milkshaking" them, faking hate crimes, jumping people for wearing MAGA hats, and on and on and on.
That mob will need to be sated, and I don't think mealy-mouthed half-measures will do the trick.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (AzW6q)
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I remember Blinky the Squirrel and Bullwinkle.....
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019
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Blinky was Rocky's idiot younger brother. Never could master flying, and got himself smashed against Bullwinkle's antlers one day. Sad. . . .
I remember Blinky the Squirrel and Bullwinkle.....
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019
*
*
Blinky was Rocky's idiot younger brother. Never could master flying, and got himself smashed against Bullwinkle's antlers one day. Sad. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (ClOmq)
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208 My guess is they time impeachment for early fall next year. The campaign will be nothing but impeachment talk and the Dems bet there will be no action in the senate. It's not about actually impeaching.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:49 PM (FiUMj)
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The Democratic House Members who won in the districts that Trump won in 2016 did it by being able to focus on local issues.
An actual impeachment campaign will swamp any local issues and lead to losing the House most likely.
I'm sure the Democratic Establishment knows this, and is going to "Repeal and Replace" the activist Left without any results for as long as they can.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 03, 2019 01:49 PM (FiUMj)
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The Democratic House Members who won in the districts that Trump won in 2016 did it by being able to focus on local issues.
An actual impeachment campaign will swamp any local issues and lead to losing the House most likely.
I'm sure the Democratic Establishment knows this, and is going to "Repeal and Replace" the activist Left without any results for as long as they can.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (9cans)
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127 Trump and pretty pretty Melania with Charles and Camilla.
I swear Trump's expression is like Al Czerik saying, "so, how much to buy this dump?"
http://bit.ly/2MoZahN
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fuK7c)
Am I the only one who is reminded of a "before" and "after" photo?
I swear Trump's expression is like Al Czerik saying, "so, how much to buy this dump?"
http://bit.ly/2MoZahN
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 03, 2019 01:30 PM (fuK7c)
Am I the only one who is reminded of a "before" and "after" photo?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (wCTys)
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May Barr be Godzilla to Comey's Smug Monster.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (8msR+)
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Kremlin:
do we push the inexperienced guy who advocates policies that'll hurt us, hoping he's full of crap and will make a mistake or prove to be a liar, or do we push the woman that Putin hates personally but all of whose policies benefit us as a nation state?
What was it that Obama told Medvedev (sp?) that was caught on the hot mic again?
do we push the inexperienced guy who advocates policies that'll hurt us, hoping he's full of crap and will make a mistake or prove to be a liar, or do we push the woman that Putin hates personally but all of whose policies benefit us as a nation state?
What was it that Obama told Medvedev (sp?) that was caught on the hot mic again?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (J3qJd)
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And while Brennan read a book on Marx
The brownshirts practiced in the park
And Lupe wailed dirges in the dark
The day the Republic died
And while Brennan read a book on Marx
The brownshirts practiced in the park
And Lupe wailed dirges in the dark
The day the Republic died
Posted by: Barky McBean at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (vtcmf)
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The establishment really did box themselves in by not tamping down on impeachment talk right after they got the House.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (9cans)
Hell, Impeach Trump and you've got President Pence. How does that help them?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (9cans)
Hell, Impeach Trump and you've got President Pence. How does that help them?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (bcbK8)
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220 The establishment really did box themselves in by not tamping down on impeachment talk right after they got the House.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (9cans)
Hell, Impeach Trump and you've got President Pence. How does that help them?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (bcbK
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Well, he'll obviously step aside having been part of such a terrible administration, and then we get President Pelosi, right?
Right?!?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (9cans)
Hell, Impeach Trump and you've got President Pence. How does that help them?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (bcbK
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Well, he'll obviously step aside having been part of such a terrible administration, and then we get President Pelosi, right?
Right?!?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:51 PM (9cans)
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Remember all of the designers that vowed they would never design for the first lady?
Yeah, those heady days of late 2016- early 2017...
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer
Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:43 PM (hLRSq)
And the other designers were like "YES! More for us!"
I think D & G have been big supporters since day 1....and they gave zero fucks if anyone had a problem with that.
Yeah, those heady days of late 2016- early 2017...
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer
Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 03, 2019 01:43 PM (hLRSq)
And the other designers were like "YES! More for us!"
I think D & G have been big supporters since day 1....and they gave zero fucks if anyone had a problem with that.
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:51 PM (cF8AT)
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Had a liberal-leaning prof in college thirty-five years ago pointing out that if we ever had that, all the special interest groups would rush in to have all their agendas enshrined into the Constitution.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM
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I did too. He started by claiming to be an atheist Marxist Anarchist. One of the best profs I had in school. He taught comparative politics. (Got an A) It was fun, open, great exchanges of ideas and interesting. I learn a heck of a lot and it cemented my belief in conservative values and free market capitalism.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 03, 2019 01:29 PM
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I did too. He started by claiming to be an atheist Marxist Anarchist. One of the best profs I had in school. He taught comparative politics. (Got an A) It was fun, open, great exchanges of ideas and interesting. I learn a heck of a lot and it cemented my belief in conservative values and free market capitalism.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 03, 2019 01:52 PM (axyOa)
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>>I'm sure the Democratic Establishment knows this, and is going to "Repeal and Replace" the activist Left without any results for as long as they can. Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (9cans)
Yes. In spite of all the "democratic socialist" babble that's getting much more attention/regard than it merits, the Democratic establishment is no different than the GOP establishment in this regard.
Simply put, AOC and her ilk are the left's Tea Party, and their movement will be smothered in the crib if it jeopardizes House control or Biden's victory.
Yes. In spite of all the "democratic socialist" babble that's getting much more attention/regard than it merits, the Democratic establishment is no different than the GOP establishment in this regard.
Simply put, AOC and her ilk are the left's Tea Party, and their movement will be smothered in the crib if it jeopardizes House control or Biden's victory.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:53 PM (Bdeb0)
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Well, he'll obviously step aside having been part of such a terrible administration, and then we get President Pelosi, right?
Right?!?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today!
*****
Given the freaks on the Left, he'd more likely get milk-shaked aside.
Right?!?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today!
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Given the freaks on the Left, he'd more likely get milk-shaked aside.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (axyOa)
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@realDonaldTrump 12 minutes ago
London part of trip is going really well. The Queen and the entire Royal family have been fantastic. The relationship with the United Kingdom is very strong. Tremendous crowds of well wishers and people that love our Country. Haven't seen any protests yet, but I'm sure the....
....Fake News will be working hard to find them. Great love all around. Also, big Trade Deal is possible once U.K. gets rid of the shackles. Already starting to talk!
London part of trip is going really well. The Queen and the entire Royal family have been fantastic. The relationship with the United Kingdom is very strong. Tremendous crowds of well wishers and people that love our Country. Haven't seen any protests yet, but I'm sure the....
....Fake News will be working hard to find them. Great love all around. Also, big Trade Deal is possible once U.K. gets rid of the shackles. Already starting to talk!
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (cF8AT)
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221
220 The establishment really did box themselves in by not tamping down on impeachment talk right after they got the House.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (9cans)
Hell, Impeach Trump and you've got President Pence. How does that help them?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (bcbK
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Well, he'll obviously step aside having been part of such a terrible administration, and then we get President Pelosi, right?
Right?!?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:51 PM (9cans)
And still, the FAB will never be POTUS.
220 The establishment really did box themselves in by not tamping down on impeachment talk right after they got the House.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (9cans)
Hell, Impeach Trump and you've got President Pence. How does that help them?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (bcbK
============
Well, he'll obviously step aside having been part of such a terrible administration, and then we get President Pelosi, right?
Right?!?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:51 PM (9cans)
And still, the FAB will never be POTUS.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (N39Ws)
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I swear Trump's expression is like Al Czerik saying, "so, how much to buy this dump?"
"Charles, you're a delusional asshole and I just hiked a lap of Pall Mall with your mother earlier, she's gonna outlive you".
"Charles, you're a delusional asshole and I just hiked a lap of Pall Mall with your mother earlier, she's gonna outlive you".
Posted by: JEM at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (8erNz)
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Nood
Posted by: Furious George at June 03, 2019 01:55 PM (9vQJW)
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From the pictures, I suspect the Charles/Camilla home smells of camphor, elderberry wine, moth balls, and other things...
Posted by: washrivergal at June 03, 2019 01:55 PM (EjlXc)
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Simply put, AOC and her ilk are the left's Tea Party, and their movement will be smothered in the crib if it jeopardizes House control or Biden's victory.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:53 PM (Bdeb0)
Analysis..... true, and well put.... AOC says everything there is to say about the party core...
Simply put, AOC and her ilk are the left's Tea Party, and their movement will be smothered in the crib if it jeopardizes House control or Biden's victory.
Posted by: Zod at June 03, 2019 01:53 PM (Bdeb0)
Analysis..... true, and well put.... AOC says everything there is to say about the party core...
Posted by: kraken at June 03, 2019 01:55 PM (90T4r)
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Blinky was Rocky's idiot younger brother. Never could master flying, and got himself smashed against Bullwinkle's antlers one day. Sad. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (ClOmq)
Blinky had poor eyesight (hence name) and this was before prescription googles.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 03, 2019 01:50 PM (ClOmq)
Blinky had poor eyesight (hence name) and this was before prescription googles.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 03, 2019 01:55 PM (JFO2v)
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Well, he'll obviously step aside having been part of such a terrible administration, and then we get President Pelosi, right?
Right?!?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:51 PM (9cans)
And still, the FAB will never be POTUS.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (N39Ws)
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Pelosi appoints Hillary as VP.
Pelosi steps down.
Hillary is POTUS!
Well, he'll obviously step aside having been part of such a terrible administration, and then we get President Pelosi, right?
Right?!?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:51 PM (9cans)
And still, the FAB will never be POTUS.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (N39Ws)
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Pelosi appoints Hillary as VP.
Pelosi steps down.
Hillary is POTUS!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:55 PM (9cans)
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183: What, you don't sleep with a pillow on your face?
Posted by: CN at June 03, 2019 01:56 PM (U7k5w)
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And lastly, the CIA Director, Gina Haspel, is a John Brennan loyalist, according to Jed Babbin.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (vcOmj)
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Babbin is a RINOe Deep state whore
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 03, 2019 01:31 PM (vcOmj)
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Babbin is a RINOe Deep state whore
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 03, 2019 01:56 PM (BqBId)
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@realDonaldTrump 11 minutes ago
Russia has informed us that they have removed most of their people from Venezuela.
I'm not buying it....
Russia has informed us that they have removed most of their people from Venezuela.
I'm not buying it....
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:56 PM (cF8AT)
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Hypothetical alt-history question. It's the 1840's here in the US. The southern states make it clear that they have no interest in expanding the institution of slavery to new territories or acquiring more territory into which slavery can be extended. Does the US eventually have a civil war?
Because it seems to me that the Left is behaving like the South. The South came to call slavery a positive benefit, they agitated for conquest to provide more territory, they wanted slaves in the territory already acquired, they wanted a resumption of the slave trade. The Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska Act, all of these failed to placate southern slaveholders, who always wanted more and more.
Hypothetical alt-history question. It's the 1840's here in the US. The southern states make it clear that they have no interest in expanding the institution of slavery to new territories or acquiring more territory into which slavery can be extended. Does the US eventually have a civil war?
Because it seems to me that the Left is behaving like the South. The South came to call slavery a positive benefit, they agitated for conquest to provide more territory, they wanted slaves in the territory already acquired, they wanted a resumption of the slave trade. The Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska Act, all of these failed to placate southern slaveholders, who always wanted more and more.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2019 01:56 PM (BWL+E)
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""Barr no doubt also recalls, and will likely keep in mind, the
astonishing warning Senator Charles Schumer issued to President-elect
Trump in January 2017: "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence
community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.""""_________________
Comey and Preet Bharara are Schumer acolytes, promoted to USA of SDNY through his advocacy. tl;dr: This was an Op run out of Schumer's Office.
astonishing warning Senator Charles Schumer issued to President-elect
Trump in January 2017: "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence
community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.""""_________________
Comey and Preet Bharara are Schumer acolytes, promoted to USA of SDNY through his advocacy. tl;dr: This was an Op run out of Schumer's Office.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at June 03, 2019 01:56 PM (XAE+X)
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Pelosi appoints Hillary as VP.
Pelosi steps down.
Hillary is POTUS!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:55 PM (9cans)
I think a good fraction of the Democratic party privately want the Clintons ground up for dog meat.
Pelosi appoints Hillary as VP.
Pelosi steps down.
Hillary is POTUS!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read some Movie Thoughts and Pre-Order Crystal Embers Today! at June 03, 2019 01:55 PM (9cans)
I think a good fraction of the Democratic party privately want the Clintons ground up for dog meat.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2019 01:57 PM (BWL+E)
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So what Brett is saying is that physical removal of White men is possible in America! Yay!!!!
Posted by: Paisley Ford at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (ALaia)
Possible, but not recommended.
Posted by: Paisley Ford at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (ALaia)
Possible, but not recommended.
Posted by: Andrei Bonovia Konovalov at June 03, 2019 01:57 PM (yQpMk)
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237
Hypothetical alt-history question. It's the 1840's here in the US.
The southern states make it clear that they have no interest in
expanding the institution of slavery to new territories or acquiring
more territory into which slavery can be extended. Does the US
eventually have a civil war?
Because it seems to me that the Left is behaving like the South. The
South came to call slavery a positive benefit, they agitated for
conquest to provide more territory, they wanted slaves in the territory
already acquired, they wanted a resumption of the slave trade. The
Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska Act,
all of these failed to placate southern slaveholders, who always wanted
more and more.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2019
*
*
. . .
Good point. Educated Southerners knew that slavery was an inefficient labor system and that it would eventually expire -- but that time was not yet, they thought. And a small group couldn't bring the future by themselves. So . . .
Hypothetical alt-history question. It's the 1840's here in the US.
The southern states make it clear that they have no interest in
expanding the institution of slavery to new territories or acquiring
more territory into which slavery can be extended. Does the US
eventually have a civil war?
Because it seems to me that the Left is behaving like the South. The
South came to call slavery a positive benefit, they agitated for
conquest to provide more territory, they wanted slaves in the territory
already acquired, they wanted a resumption of the slave trade. The
Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska Act,
all of these failed to placate southern slaveholders, who always wanted
more and more.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2019
*
*
. . .
Good point. Educated Southerners knew that slavery was an inefficient labor system and that it would eventually expire -- but that time was not yet, they thought. And a small group couldn't bring the future by themselves. So . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 03, 2019 01:58 PM (ClOmq)
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"Spygate is the first American scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently but the media want to cover them up."
That kinda says it all, really
That kinda says it all, really
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 03, 2019 01:59 PM (39g3+)
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NEW: @FLOTUS wearing a custom @dolcegabbana dress for her meeting with the Queen today. The hat is an original design by her couturier, designer Herv Pierre. Here is Pierre's sketch of the hat:
https://tinyurl.com/yy8et7sz
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:39 PM (cF8AT)
Twitter campaign to boycott and destroy D&G in 3, 2, 1...
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (J3qJd)
The infants on Yahoo were trying to mock her. Her one outfit they claimed looked like a flight attendant (it looked very stylish to me) and the white outfit and hat they were wondering if she realized that she looked like Eliza Doolittle. So typical of the brainless twats at Yahoo
https://tinyurl.com/yy8et7sz
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:39 PM (cF8AT)
Twitter campaign to boycott and destroy D&G in 3, 2, 1...
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 03, 2019 01:45 PM (J3qJd)
The infants on Yahoo were trying to mock her. Her one outfit they claimed looked like a flight attendant (it looked very stylish to me) and the white outfit and hat they were wondering if she realized that she looked like Eliza Doolittle. So typical of the brainless twats at Yahoo
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 03, 2019 01:59 PM (OLCnA)
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I think D & G have been big supporters since day 1....and they gave zero fucks if anyone had a problem with that.
======
Yeah, surprisingly - they are great. They also don't support gay marriage!
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Yeah, surprisingly - they are great. They also don't support gay marriage!
Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 03, 2019 02:00 PM (vg8iE)
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The media is the enemy
Posted by: Zombie Andrew Breitbart at June 03, 2019 02:00 PM (I5SAg)
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241 237
Hypothetical alt-history question. It's the 1840's here in the US.
The southern states make it clear that they have no interest in
expanding the institution of slavery to new territories or acquiring
more territory into which slavery can be extended. Does the US
eventually have a civil war?
Because it seems to me that the Left is behaving like the South. The
South came to call slavery a positive benefit, they agitated for
conquest to provide more territory, they wanted slaves in the territory
already acquired, they wanted a resumption of the slave trade. The
Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska Act,
all of these failed to placate southern slaveholders, who always wanted
more and more.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2019
*
*
. . .
Good point. Educated Southerners knew that slavery was an inefficient labor system and that it would eventually expire -- but that time was not yet, they thought. And a small group couldn't bring the future by themselves. So . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 03, 2019 01:58 PM (ClOmq)
Hadrian: in your alternate history, no. No civil war. The expansion of slavery into the territories, or south into Mexico, was what made slavery into a crisis.
HOWEVER, viewing people as portable property, there would be nothing stopping slave owners from transporting their slaves to new homes in California or Oregon or anywhere else.
So we're back to human nature and the idea of the black man not being a man....but property.
Hypothetical alt-history question. It's the 1840's here in the US.
The southern states make it clear that they have no interest in
expanding the institution of slavery to new territories or acquiring
more territory into which slavery can be extended. Does the US
eventually have a civil war?
Because it seems to me that the Left is behaving like the South. The
South came to call slavery a positive benefit, they agitated for
conquest to provide more territory, they wanted slaves in the territory
already acquired, they wanted a resumption of the slave trade. The
Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska Act,
all of these failed to placate southern slaveholders, who always wanted
more and more.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2019
*
*
. . .
Good point. Educated Southerners knew that slavery was an inefficient labor system and that it would eventually expire -- but that time was not yet, they thought. And a small group couldn't bring the future by themselves. So . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 03, 2019 01:58 PM (ClOmq)
Hadrian: in your alternate history, no. No civil war. The expansion of slavery into the territories, or south into Mexico, was what made slavery into a crisis.
HOWEVER, viewing people as portable property, there would be nothing stopping slave owners from transporting their slaves to new homes in California or Oregon or anywhere else.
So we're back to human nature and the idea of the black man not being a man....but property.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 02:01 PM (bcbK8)
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226 @realDonaldTrump 12 minutes ago
London part of trip is going really well. The Queen and the entire Royal family have been fantastic. The relationship with the United Kingdom is very strong. Tremendous crowds of well wishers and people that love our Country. Haven't seen any protests yet, but I'm sure the....
....Fake News will be working hard to find them. Great love all around. Also, big Trade Deal is possible once U.K. gets rid of the shackles. Already starting to talk!
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (cF8AT)
"London part"? Where else will Trump be visiting?
London part of trip is going really well. The Queen and the entire Royal family have been fantastic. The relationship with the United Kingdom is very strong. Tremendous crowds of well wishers and people that love our Country. Haven't seen any protests yet, but I'm sure the....
....Fake News will be working hard to find them. Great love all around. Also, big Trade Deal is possible once U.K. gets rid of the shackles. Already starting to talk!
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (cF8AT)
"London part"? Where else will Trump be visiting?
Posted by: josephistan at June 03, 2019 02:02 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: JAS at June 03, 2019 02:02 PM (I5SAg)
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(I'm doing my yearly re-read of Shelby Foote. So the topic is fresh in my mind)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 03, 2019 02:02 PM (bcbK8)
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175 So what Brett is saying is that physical removal of White men is possible in America! Yay!!!!
Posted by: Paisley Ford at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (ALaia)
Yeah, they had no problem moving people around in Bosnia. When it comes time, the "correct" people (I won't use the term right, iykwimaiktyd) will do what they think is necessary.
So we basically have a few choices. Roll the dice on trying to fix the problems we have with a CoS, Divorce, or CW2. Maybe keep on doing what we are doing know, with conservatives and Normals being stomped down by corporate America (really People Soft? have they not heard of tortious interference?) but I think cold CW leads to CW2.
It'll mean a lot of dead on all sides. I have read how some of the crazier leftist groups actually send some of their folks overseas and get them involved in local wars. I wish I could remember where, I'd post it. But we may laugh at Antifa, but they are dead serious, the same way the Brown Shirts were almost a century!! ago. I remember growing up around the men of WW2, and how we heard about liberty, and how it could never happen here. They were wrong..
Posted by: Paisley Ford at June 03, 2019 01:41 PM (ALaia)
Yeah, they had no problem moving people around in Bosnia. When it comes time, the "correct" people (I won't use the term right, iykwimaiktyd) will do what they think is necessary.
So we basically have a few choices. Roll the dice on trying to fix the problems we have with a CoS, Divorce, or CW2. Maybe keep on doing what we are doing know, with conservatives and Normals being stomped down by corporate America (really People Soft? have they not heard of tortious interference?) but I think cold CW leads to CW2.
It'll mean a lot of dead on all sides. I have read how some of the crazier leftist groups actually send some of their folks overseas and get them involved in local wars. I wish I could remember where, I'd post it. But we may laugh at Antifa, but they are dead serious, the same way the Brown Shirts were almost a century!! ago. I remember growing up around the men of WW2, and how we heard about liberty, and how it could never happen here. They were wrong..
Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 03, 2019 02:02 PM (1T0t0)
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226
@realDonaldTrump 12 minutes ago
London part of trip is going really well. The Queen and the entire
Royal family have been fantastic. The relationship with the United
Kingdom is very strong. Tremendous crowds of well wishers and people
that love our Country. Haven't seen any protests yet, but I'm sure
the....
....Fake News will be working hard to find them. Great love all
around. Also, big Trade Deal is possible once U.K. gets rid of the
shackles. Already starting to talk!
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (cF8AT)
Quick some one get the giant balloon baby Trump and lets get her up inthe air before he leaves London!
@realDonaldTrump 12 minutes ago
London part of trip is going really well. The Queen and the entire
Royal family have been fantastic. The relationship with the United
Kingdom is very strong. Tremendous crowds of well wishers and people
that love our Country. Haven't seen any protests yet, but I'm sure
the....
....Fake News will be working hard to find them. Great love all
around. Also, big Trade Deal is possible once U.K. gets rid of the
shackles. Already starting to talk!
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 01:54 PM (cF8AT)
Quick some one get the giant balloon baby Trump and lets get her up inthe air before he leaves London!
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2019 02:05 PM (ymnmz)
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When you have a black market that a whole host of people were involved in INCLUDING the media, they tend to want to cover it up. Which is why Trump spent all of 2017 distracting them while the DOJ and Military intelligence sneaked around and mapped the whole thing out.
Sucks to be you MSM.
Sucks to be you MSM.
Posted by: akelm88 at June 03, 2019 02:07 PM (dNh/A)
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The infants on Yahoo were trying to mock her. Her one outfit they claimed looked like a flight attendant (it looked very stylish to me) and the white outfit and hat they were wondering if she realized that she looked like Eliza Doolittle. So typical of the brainless twats at Yahoo
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 03, 2019 01:59 PM (OLCnA)
Daily Mail was comparing it to something Lady Di wore...
https://tinyurl.com/yyyam9wu
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 03, 2019 01:59 PM (OLCnA)
Daily Mail was comparing it to something Lady Di wore...
https://tinyurl.com/yyyam9wu
Posted by: Tami at June 03, 2019 02:10 PM (cF8AT)
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189 But, blind squirrel, acorn, some assembly required.
Ahem. Per alexthediminutive, it's "even a blink squirrel fucks a pumpkin twice a day".
Posted by: AoSHQ Style Guide at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (fuK7c)
[Scribbles furiously] So the squirrel is blinking because it humped a pumpkin twice that day?
Ahem. Per alexthediminutive, it's "even a blink squirrel fucks a pumpkin twice a day".
Posted by: AoSHQ Style Guide at June 03, 2019 01:44 PM (fuK7c)
[Scribbles furiously] So the squirrel is blinking because it humped a pumpkin twice that day?
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at June 03, 2019 02:40 PM (RD7QR)
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Robert Conquest credited SF Cohen in his seminal book The Great Terror. No idea why, but there it is.
MSNBC used to invite Cohen's husband, Katrina van USSR, to help the hosts of various shows run America down - until Obama's Ukraine adventurism put a stop to it
MSNBC used to invite Cohen's husband, Katrina van USSR, to help the hosts of various shows run America down - until Obama's Ukraine adventurism put a stop to it
Posted by: 13times at June 03, 2019 02:47 PM (K3B2k)
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118 Russia isn't interested in that anymore, but the seeds the Soviets
left have borne their evil fruit, here and in Europe, and we have to
deal with them like the vermin they are...
They are America's Public Enemy Number One.
They need to be identified and treated as such. They call themselves "Progressives." In reality, they are Global Socialists who live here in the US. They are opposed to every single moral and legal principle the Founders laid out in the Constitution and their stated goal is to destroy our nation from within and install their version of Socialism in its place. Whenever you hear the term "progressive values," know that you're hearing your enemy.
---------
George Soros is the primary financial source to keep these traitors running.
Soros is an out and out enemy of America. Why is that evil loser still alive?
left have borne their evil fruit, here and in Europe, and we have to
deal with them like the vermin they are...
They are America's Public Enemy Number One.
They need to be identified and treated as such. They call themselves "Progressives." In reality, they are Global Socialists who live here in the US. They are opposed to every single moral and legal principle the Founders laid out in the Constitution and their stated goal is to destroy our nation from within and install their version of Socialism in its place. Whenever you hear the term "progressive values," know that you're hearing your enemy.
---------
George Soros is the primary financial source to keep these traitors running.
Soros is an out and out enemy of America. Why is that evil loser still alive?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 03, 2019 05:51 PM (sy5kK)
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The bottom welling liberal democrats feeding with the vermin
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 03, 2019 06:58 PM (wGqjj)
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"Hypothetical alt-history question. It's the 1840's here in the US. The
southern states make it clear that they have no interest in expanding
the institution of slavery to new territories or acquiring more
territory into which slavery can be extended. Does the US eventually
have a civil war?"
Slave holders were well aware of the contradiction between slavery and the principles of the Declaration. The only way they could reconcile them was to declare that black people were somehow less than fully human and that their enslavement was a positive good for them. Having taken the position that slavery was a positive good, the South was compelled to push for its acceptance - anything less would mean accepting that it was somehow other than good. Ultimately, maintenance of the lie compelled the South into its catastrophic decision to secede.
So, as long as slavery existed among us, a war was inevitable. It was just a matter of when, and how.
southern states make it clear that they have no interest in expanding
the institution of slavery to new territories or acquiring more
territory into which slavery can be extended. Does the US eventually
have a civil war?"
Slave holders were well aware of the contradiction between slavery and the principles of the Declaration. The only way they could reconcile them was to declare that black people were somehow less than fully human and that their enslavement was a positive good for them. Having taken the position that slavery was a positive good, the South was compelled to push for its acceptance - anything less would mean accepting that it was somehow other than good. Ultimately, maintenance of the lie compelled the South into its catastrophic decision to secede.
So, as long as slavery existed among us, a war was inevitable. It was just a matter of when, and how.
Posted by: Brown Line at June 03, 2019 11:16 PM (S6ArX)
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