Thread before the Gardening Thread, June 1 [KT]

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Good morning! Checking in from one of the parts of California where there is sometimes talk of seceding from the state with a couple of news items.

Brawl breaks out at event for California city officials

Attendees say a Southern California gathering of local government officials, where a fight broke out between city councilors, is known for its party culture.

A late-night argument between Southern California city councilors ended with one unconscious on the floor of a resort during an annual gathering of local government officials that some past attendees say is more fraternity party than public policy retreat.
The May 18 incident drew unwanted attention to the California Contract Cities Association, a little-known organization formed six decades ago to represent the interests of communities that contract for services such as police, fire, trash collection and street maintenance.
The fight occurred around 12:30 a.m., after the first day of business at the Annual Municipal Seminar, held at the Renaissance Indian Wells Resort & Spa. The meeting agenda included panels on such issues as homelessness, active shooters and government ethics.
There also was plenty of time for relaxation and fun on the taxpayers' dime.

Sounds a lot like some of the things that go on in Sacramento.

Serial ADA lawsuit plaintiff in court for tax evasion

"When Sacramento attorney Scott N. Johnson was indicted last week on tax charges, the reaction from people he has sued for Americans with Disabilities Act violations was simple and quick."

"Yaaaaay," said Steven Johnson, who runs a costume and magic shop in Carmichael with his mother and was sued in 2005 over a lack of ADA-compliant parking. "It isn't enough. The penalties for tax evasion are well and good, but he really should be caught up for his abuse of the ADA laws."
Across Northern California, Scott Johnson has filed thousands of lawsuits alleging ADA violations, collecting settlements and, sometimes, driving business owners to close their doors.

He is not the only one who has been harassing business owners for big bucks with lawsuits over ADA violations. Sometimes the lawsuits are for really trivial deviations from the regulations for accommodations for the disabled. Another reason not go go into business in the first place.

But enough about California for this morning. I suppose that things like that happen in other states, too.

Fake News is not New

Here is an argument that Antonio Salieri was the victim of Fake News.

Shortly before he died, in 1825, a story that he had poisoned Mozart went around Vienna. In 1830, Alexander Pushkin used that rumor as the basis for his play "Mozart and Salieri," casting the former as a doltish genius and the latter as a jealous schemer. Later in the nineteenth century, Rimsky-Korsakov turned Pushkin's play into a witty short opera. In 1979, the British playwright Peter Shaffer wrote "Amadeus," a sophisticated variation on Pushkin's concept, which became a mainstay of the modern stage.

In 2015, Herrmann discovered the score of a cantata, "Per la ricuperata salute di Ofelia," with one section composed by Salieri and another by Mozart. The find made clear what scholars have long known: that the two were more colleagues than rivals, and that their relationship was complicated mainly by Mozart's tendency to see plots arrayed against him.

Salieri worked for Emperor Joseph II, a guy who was interested in the arts.

Joseph was also one of the more enlightened monarchs of the day, noted for his rejection of regal pomp, his expansion of popular education, his integration of Jews into Austrian society, and his cultivation of a modern state bureaucracy. An edict that he issued in 1782, suggesting that "all our subjects, without distinction of nation and religion . . . should enjoy a legally guaranteed freedom," was nearly as radical as anything propounded in France or America. But Joseph was autocratic in his methods, as the historian Pieter Judson observes, in his 2016 book, "The Habsburg Empire." Salieri seems to have been a loyal Josephinian, liberal in his views but unquestioning toward authority.

You might be interested in reading this piece and seeing how much of it you agree with. These events were happening at about the time of the founding of the United States. The effects of the French Revolution on music are also mentioned.

There is also some mention of some of Salieri's progressive tendencies. Perhaps one reason for a reconsideration of his music among scholars at this time.

Music

Here's something simple from Mozart, the Piano Sonata No 11 in A Major

And if you would prefer to go straight to the movement everyone likes, here it is:

And here's a Salieri Requiem. He really did write music:

Hope you have a great weekend.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:15 AM

Comments

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1 Morning, horde.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 01, 2019 11:17 AM (gC2IV)

2 Corgis called.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 01, 2019 11:19 AM (gC2IV)

3 Salieri was a good composer who made some fine music. He was no rival of Mozart, but its pretty obvious that he didn't have nearly the talent or skill of the young super genius.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:20 AM (39g3+)

4 Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte has claimed he was once gay but "cured" himself of homosexuality in controversial remarks made during a trip to Japan. According to Rappler, a Filipino news publication, Duterte mocked his political opponent Senator Antonio Trillanes IV by saying his movements show he is homosexual.

https://bit.ly/30ZUPF6
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From queer to queer baiting. Rodrigo is the Rob Ford of the Pacific.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 11:22 AM (+y/Ru)

5 I've got chunks in my stool bigger than Salieri.

Posted by: W.A. Mozart at June 01, 2019 11:22 AM (T6t7i)

6 Nice photo of the Golden Gate.

Too bad the reality is not as golden.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 01, 2019 11:23 AM (EZebt)

7 I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The ADA isn't a law, it's a Hallmark card. Well, it's also an ambulance chaser's full employment act.

Posted by: W.A. Mozart at June 01, 2019 11:23 AM (T6t7i)

8 If you like reading non fiction about Mozart, I suggest "The Collected Letters of Mozart and His Family".
It is a heartbreaking book, truly.
Starts with letters from mother to father about little Wolfgang.
Ends with a plea from mother to the King of Prussia where she begs him for money for a proper funeral.
Which she didn't get.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 01, 2019 11:23 AM (w7KSn)

9 Actually, I said it, not this W.A. Mozart fellow, whomever he is.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:24 AM (T6t7i)

10 Well, off to clean my garage. Winter took it's toll. It's a disaster.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 01, 2019 11:24 AM (i5w/I)

11 There was (is?) a movement of upstate NY counties to secede from NY. At some point, the normal people of a state need to stand up to the thieves.

Posted by: windbag at June 01, 2019 11:24 AM (MAPkm)

12 Well, the Golden Gate Bridge isn't descriptive, its about its function. The bridge isn't golden (its reddish) its a gate to the Golden State.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:25 AM (39g3+)

13 Checking in from one of the parts of California where there is sometimes talk of seceding from the state with a couple of news items.

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California Donks "sing single payer healthcare" to tune of Queen's We Will Rock You.

https://bit.ly/2Xqk2q8

Not that they're crazy or anything.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 11:25 AM (+y/Ru)

14 Methinks AG Barr is letting the guilty know that now would be a good time for a little preemptive seppuku. Works for me.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:25 AM (T6t7i)

15 Mozart's famous last words:

"I'll be Bach!"

Posted by: Muldoon at June 01, 2019 11:26 AM (m45I2)

16 I was at a motel about a month ago, and I was BS'ing with the top maintenance guy. They had this device by the pool, for lifting the handicapped in and out. He told me it was two years old, never used and, in his words, an ornament to keep lawyers away.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 01, 2019 11:27 AM (iWluy)

17 The best scene in Amadeus is when Salieri reads the sheet music Mozart gives him, hears the music in his head and is utterly overcome "I heard the voice of God."

It would have been very difficult to be a composer with someone like that around, especially as Salieri was supposedly very religious and Mozart was supposedly a young party animal atheist, but the men were not enemies. It would be like being on a softball team and Babe Ruth shows up. Why are you even playing at this point when someone so much better is around?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:27 AM (39g3+)

18 The guy that killed Moe Zart.

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2019 11:28 AM (ykq7q)

19 Joseph was also one of the more enlightened monarchs of the day, noted for . . . his cultivation of a modern state bureaucracy.

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So he's the sumbitch!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 11:28 AM (+y/Ru)

20 The previous thread was fascinating. Human sexuality, venison cooking tips, Rogers and Hammerstein reference and firearms advice.

I particularly the discussion of sexuality being interrupted by someone talking about "modular design." Wait, what? Oh yeah, guns.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 01, 2019 11:29 AM (cfSRQ)

21 The guy that killed Moe Zart.

"I dunno, I killed a lotta guys"
--John Practice

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:30 AM (39g3+)

22 The bridge isn't golden (its reddish) its a gate to the Golden State.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:25 AM

Too often, it's a gate the hoi-polloi crash through to bother us.

Posted by: Marin at June 01, 2019 11:30 AM (mPz+a)

23 The guy that killed Moe Zart.
Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2019 11:28 AM (ykq7q)

Sal Lieri?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 11:30 AM (NFEMn)

24 It would have been very difficult to be a composer with someone like
that around, especially as Salieri was supposedly very religious and
Mozart was supposedly a young party animal atheist, but the men were not
enemies. It would be like being on a softball team and Babe Ruth shows
up. Why are you even playing at this point when someone so much better
is around?

This often happens at scientific conferences. You'll present your work, thinking you've done well, but then you hear a talk by one of the big guns, potential Nobel material sometimes, and think "why am I bothering".

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:32 AM (T6t7i)

25 23
The guy that killed Moe Zart.

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2019 11:28 AM (ykq7q)

Sal Lieri?

No, it was Lou Cabrazi.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:33 AM (T6t7i)

26 4
Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte has claimed he was once gay but
"cured" himself of homosexuality in controversial remarks made during a
trip to Japan. According to Rappler, a Filipino news publication,
Duterte mocked his political opponent Senator Antonio Trillanes IV by
saying his movements show he is homosexual.

https://bit.ly/30ZUPF6

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From queer to queer baiting. Rodrigo is the Rob Ford of the Pacific.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 11:22 AM (+y/Ru)

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Did anyone see the official response of their Foreign Secretary regarding Canadian trash? It appears the Canucks sent barges full of what was supposed to be clean, recyclable plastic that was actually household waste.

So they're sending it back. The Philippines' lead diplomat tweeted that the ship was almost ready to go and that added that if anyone gets in his way, he will "screw them dry. Don't provoke me!"

MAPA.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 01, 2019 11:33 AM (cfSRQ)

27 17 I doubt if Mozart was an atheist, but maybe agnostic. Compositions like his Requiem show somebody, who may be in doubt, asking for forgiveness, covering his ass if you will.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 01, 2019 11:33 AM (iWluy)

28 Whoops, MPGA.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 01, 2019 11:33 AM (cfSRQ)

29 This often happens at scientific conferences. You'll present your work, thinking you've done well, but then you hear a talk by one of the big guns, potential Nobel material sometimes, and think "why am I bothering".
Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:32 AM (T6t7i)

Mo matter who you are, there's always someone smarter, better-looking, richer or with a bigger dick.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 11:35 AM (NFEMn)

30 Compositions like his Requiem show somebody, who may be in doubt, asking for forgiveness, covering his ass if you will.

Supposedly Handel was atheist (or at least, he didn't believe in Christianity), but he wrote the Messiah. Talent doesn't require faith to produce beauty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:35 AM (39g3+)

31
California Donks "sing single payer healthcare" to tune of Queen's We Will Rock You.

We will, we will TAX YOU!!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 01, 2019 11:35 AM (aKsyK)

32 This often happens at scientific conferences. You'll present your work, thinking you've done well, but then you hear a talk by one of the big guns, potential Nobel material sometimes, and think "why am I bothering".
Posted by: pep
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Have you been watching Jeopardy?

As I pointed out the other night, the new contestants should be transported on stage in a tumbril.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 11:36 AM (HTHlp)

33 One letter from Mozart revealed that he wasn't good at reading his own contracts.
In one such contract that he signed, he later discovered that he was responsible for the laundry.
For the entire orchestra.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 01, 2019 11:37 AM (w7KSn)

34 Anyone else noting the sharp increase in violent anti semetic attack's in Europe ? Many "nationslist" consider European Jews to be outsiders

Posted by: Kurt at June 01, 2019 11:37 AM (/Qgcr)

35 From queer to queer baiting. Rodrigo is the Rob Ford of the Pacific.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 11:22 AM (+y/Ru)

callng someone straight " gay " is still an insult there, I think

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 01, 2019 11:38 AM (dm05u)

36 No, it was Lou Cabrazi.
Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:33 AM (T6t7i)

And he was later killed by a Turk, stabbed through the hand and garroted....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 11:38 AM (NFEMn)

37 The classical music channel on Sirius xm is one of my favorites, I can sense the hosts are raging progressives but they rarely make overt comments to that effect. So far anyway.

Posted by: Boots at June 01, 2019 11:38 AM (e9omi)

38 I'm practicing sitting in the shade under a new patio umbrella.

Posted by: Weasel at June 01, 2019 11:38 AM (MVjcR)

39 It would be like being on a softball team and Babe Ruth shows up. Why are you even playing at this point when someone so much better is around?

Salieri was a genius, the teacher of Beethoven, and his best music sounds like pre-Beethoven. I've never been convinced that Mozart was that much better than Salieri.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 01, 2019 11:40 AM (ykYG2)

40 It's funny how the Manila press hates Duterte about as much as our msm hate Trump

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 01, 2019 11:40 AM (dm05u)

41 It appears the Canucks sent barges full of what was supposed to be clean, recyclable plastic that was actually household waste. (to the Philippines)

So, of all places, Canada doesn't have enough space for garbage dumps?

NIMBYism is really getting out of hand.

Posted by: mikeski at June 01, 2019 11:41 AM (P1f+c)

42 I'm practicing sitting in the shade under a new patio umbrella.
Posted by: Weasel at June 01, 2019 11:38 AM

Treat dispensing is a fungible skill, and should be practiced often, as well.

This has been a Public Service Announcement.

Posted by: WeaselDog at June 01, 2019 11:41 AM (mPz+a)

43 Well I have no ambition today but a long list of things that should be done so guess I will plod through 1 or 2 of them. Thanks horde for the morning entertainment while I drank my coffee.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at June 01, 2019 11:41 AM (+TB+9)

44 I haven't heard much from JackStraw lately. Has he made any comments on Durham replacing Huber, because Huber, paraphrasing Barr's words, has done NOTHING? Apparently, Huber won't be coming after all.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:41 AM (T6t7i)

45 How is shipping trash halfway across the world environmentally friendly of Canada? Do they use sails?

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 01, 2019 11:42 AM (dm05u)

46 Glad that pic of the G.Gate isn't what the weather is right now, I'd be sweating to death.

Posted by: JROD at June 01, 2019 11:43 AM (Q8d2j)

47 Salieri was a genius, the teacher of Beethoven, and
his best music sounds like pre-Beethoven. I've never been convinced that
Mozart was that much better than Salieri.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo

My second daughter double majored in business and opera. (Guess which one she uses to make a living) Anyway, I asked her a question about Mozart recently, and she described his work as "trite". I don't know if she was repeating something she heard from her profs, or if that is really her opinion.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:44 AM (T6t7i)

48 Watching the news, I see that the Chief of Police at Virginia Beach does NOT wear four or five stars on his collar, but some single insignia. Unlike, say, oh, Scott Israel.

Also, the Virginia Beach LEO's took the fight to the shooter, rather than cowering around outside.

Still no word as to whether David Hogg is on the scene yet.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 11:44 AM (2kj6M)

49 42 I'm practicing sitting in the shade under a new patio umbrella.
Posted by: Weasel at June 01, 2019 11:38 AM

Treat dispensing is a fungible skill, and should be practiced often, as well.

This has been a Public Service Announcement.
Posted by: WeaselDog at June 01, 2019 11:41 AM (mPz+a)
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WD does love treats! Highly food motivated.

Posted by: Weasel at June 01, 2019 11:45 AM (MVjcR)

50 >>I haven't heard much from JackStraw lately. Has he made any comments on Durham replacing Huber, because Huber, paraphrasing Barr's words, has done NOTHING? Apparently, Huber won't be coming after all.

Reading is fundamental. All the cool kids are doing it. Give it a try!

>>Sessions had also asked Huber in 2017 to look into issues related to the sale of Uranium One and allegations that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had been improperly involved in the process, as well as broader claims of corruption at the Clinton Foundation. Barr seemed to suggest that what evidence Huber found, if any, may soon be revealed.

>>"The other issues [Huber has] been working on relate to Hillary Clinton" are "winding down and hopefully we'll be in a position to bring those to fruition," Barr said.

https://tinyurl.com/y42nvbjf

Apparently he will be coming, paraphrasing Barr's words.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 11:46 AM (/tuJf)

51 Kurt, you need to go straighten the California Donks out.

Article at RCP titled "Divisions Over Israel Shadow Calif. Democrats' Convention"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 11:46 AM (+y/Ru)

52 Mo matter who you are, there's always someone smarter, better-looking, richer or with a bigger dick.
Posted by: JoeF

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Yeah but the beauty of the last example given is that you'll never know that. Unless you are into that sort of thing.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 01, 2019 11:47 AM (Y4EXg)

53
Apparently he will be coming, paraphrasing Barr's words.

Posted by: JackStraw

Okay, so why was he replaced with Durham?

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:47 AM (T6t7i)

54 Treat dispensing is a fungible skill, and should be practiced often, as well.

This has been a Public Service Announcement.
Posted by: WeaselDog
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A fair point, but right now I want Hammer to get off of his ass and take me for a walk.

Posted by: Mike Hammer's Dog at June 01, 2019 11:47 AM (2kj6M)

55 This is just cute overload....

A young man & his best friend discover their love for baseball.

https://tinyurl.com/yybsextm

Posted by: Tami at June 01, 2019 11:48 AM (cF8AT)

56
Barr's words, has done NOTHING? Apparently, Huber won't be coming after all.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:41 AM (T6t7i)

We've been waiting and waiting for him to show up and now we find out he never got on the road.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 01, 2019 11:48 AM (TAmPV)

57 I'm practicing sitting in the shade under a new patio umbrella.
Posted by: Weasel

*****

They say that it takes somewhere around 10,000 hours of practice to master a particular skill.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 01, 2019 11:49 AM (m45I2)

58
A fair point, but right now I want Hammer to get off of his ass and take me for a walk.
Posted by: Mike Hammer's Dog at June 01, 2019 11:47 AM (2kj6M)

train your hooman into early morning summer walks

Posted by: vdoggeh woof woof at June 01, 2019 11:49 AM (dm05u)

59 It appears that the Mueller Report took some, er, liberties with quotes, removing portions that changed the entire tone and content of what was said, in order to produce a certain outcome

https://twitter.com/almostjingo/status/1134574689592832000

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:50 AM (39g3+)

60 I was watching a snippet of the Donkey Chomper's bar tending vid yesterday. One small detail caught my attention: she was filling a wine glass for a patron. It was one of the WAY over-sized wine glasses you find in every trendy restaurant. She cracked open the bottle, and proceeded to fill it to within 1/2" of the rim. I've never tended bar, but correct me if I'm wrong, a full pour of wine is typically 6 oz. yes? That was like 12 oz. I've seen bar tenders line up a pour of wine w/a pre-poured glass just to make sure they don't go over.
She's a f'ing poser. In all things.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 01, 2019 11:50 AM (ty7RM)

61 The meeting agenda included panels on such issues as homelessness, active shooters and government ethics.

There also was plenty of time for relaxation and fun on the taxpayers' dime.

But mostly relaxation and fun on the taxpayers' dime.

Posted by: rickl at June 01, 2019 11:50 AM (sdi6R)

62 Wow The Sooners have been cheating on their alumni giving number by more than 50%. ha!

Why does not Texas slip into Gulf?

OKLAHOMA SUX!

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2019 11:50 AM (JFO2v)

63 57 I'm practicing sitting in the shade under a new patio umbrella.
Posted by: Weasel

*****

They say that it takes somewhere around 10,000 hours of practice to master a particular skill.
Posted by: Muldoon at June 01, 2019 11:49 AM (m45I2)
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Yes, it is a sacrifice, but I feel that I owe it to all mankind.

Posted by: Weasel at June 01, 2019 11:50 AM (MVjcR)

64 This post has too many letters.

Posted by: Zombie Emperor Joseph II at June 01, 2019 11:51 AM (4knXT)

65 Yeah but the beauty of the last example given is that you'll never know that. Unless you are into that sort of thing.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 01, 2019 11:47 AM (Y4EXg)

Or used to play racquetball with the guy and got undressed in the locker in front of each other....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 11:51 AM (NFEMn)

66 squirrel!

car!

squirrel!

Posted by: vdoggeh woof woof on the job protecting the block at June 01, 2019 11:51 AM (dm05u)

67 >>Okay, so why was he replaced with Durham?

Perhaps he is busy dealing with the Clinton issues. Or maybe we should wait for an explanation from the parties involved instead of taking a a 5 second sound bite and applying confirmation bias to get the answer we want.

We have a whole government full of prosecutors. Jessie Lieu from the DC US Attorney's office has also been working on aspects.

By the way, we talked about this extensively already proving that if a bear falls in the woods and you didn't hear it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 11:51 AM (/tuJf)

68 Mo matter who you are, there's always someone smarter, better-looking, richer or with a bigger dick.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 11:35 AM (NFEMn)

Two words you do not want to hear at urinal

NICE DICK!

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2019 11:52 AM (JFO2v)

69
It appears that the Mueller Report took some, er, liberties with quotes, removing portions that changed the entire tone and content of what was said, in order to produce a certain outcome

The judge should throw the Flynn case out.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 01, 2019 11:52 AM (TAmPV)

70 An interesting factoid: today I spoke with a liberal Irish guy who lives in FL.

He said point blank "all the news is fake now."

This guy is a workaholic, and is not necessarily vested in news 24/7 and is liberal, so maybe this is a good sign?

Posted by: shibumi at June 01, 2019 11:52 AM (sktRI)

71 https://tinyurl.com/yy85up6u
It seems that Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, and Doug Collins were dissatisfied with Huber as well.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:53 AM (T6t7i)

72 hey! no posting!
bad doggeh

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 01, 2019 11:53 AM (dm05u)

73 The judge should throw the Flynn case out

We've suspected for a long time now that it was bogus, but its becoming rapidly more obvious that it was so.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:54 AM (39g3+)

74 Jimmy Dean's legacy.

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft entered into sausage breakfast biscuits.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 11:54 AM (+y/Ru)

75 Good morning horde. Uh? Jack Straw has been commenting and his comments are informative and are much appreciated by me.

Posted by: NOS4Ah2 at June 01, 2019 11:54 AM (WWS2B)

76 An interesting factoid: today I spoke with a liberal Irish guy who lives in FL.

He said point blank "all the news is fake now."

This guy is a workaholic, and is not necessarily vested in news 24/7 and is liberal, so maybe this is a good sign?
Posted by: shibumi at June 01, 2019 11:52 AM (sktRI)

I've heard the same from others, liberal and moderate.
Trump planted the seed by calling it "Fake News!", but the media did--and is still doing their level best--to prove him right.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 11:55 AM (NFEMn)

77 NICE DICK!
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2019 11:52 AM (JFO2v)

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I get "sporty!" a lot but I'm not quite sure what to make of it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 01, 2019 11:55 AM (4knXT)

78 fake woofs
bad
*grrrrwwwll*

Posted by: vdoggeh woof woof at June 01, 2019 11:56 AM (dm05u)

79 This post has too many letters.

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We could get rid of Kurt's.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 11:56 AM (+y/Ru)

80 66 squirrel!

car!

squirrel!
Posted by: vdoggeh woof woof on the job protecting the block at June 01, 2019 11:51 AM (dm05u)

I worked with a guy for almost 8 year and the day I left the business I said
Sam, everyone sees the same squirrels you do. We just dont chase them.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2019 11:56 AM (JFO2v)

81 NICE DICK!
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2019 11:52 AM (JFO2v)

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I get "sporty!" a lot but I'm not quite sure what to make of it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 01, 2019 11:55 AM (4knXT)

I hope you didn't miss-hear him. He could have said, "Shorty!"

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 11:57 AM (NFEMn)

82 Jack Straw has been commenting and his comments are informative and are much appreciated by me.

I never said he wasn't, I said I hadn't seen much of him, because I can't stay here all the time. Hence, my phrasing as a question. His arrogant tone is on him.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:57 AM (T6t7i)

83 I hope you didn't miss-hear him. He could have said, "Shorty!"

It could have been "spotty" and he was concerned for your health.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:58 AM (39g3+)

84 Just rolled out of bed.

Time for coffee and head to the range to break in my new Glock 19!

Whoohooo!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 01, 2019 11:58 AM (PkVlr)

85 Wow The Sooners have been cheating on their alumni giving number by more than 50%. ha!
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Uhhh...how we gonna pay for that shiny new stadium, boss?

Posted by: Sooner! at June 01, 2019 11:58 AM (ty7RM)

86 I get "sporty!" a lot but I'm not quite sure what to make of it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 01, 2019 11:55 AM (4knXT)

you braggin or complainin

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2019 11:58 AM (JFO2v)

87 Swallowswell is the spitting image of a young W C Fields sans the sense of humor of course

Posted by: REDACTED at June 01, 2019 11:58 AM (DPjeO)

88 >>I never said he wasn't, I said I hadn't seen much of him, because I can't stay here all the time. Hence, my phrasing as a question. His arrogant tone is on him

Oh horseshit. This is the 3rd or 4th time you have done this, posted something sarcastically about me being hardest hit or some other garbage because you grasp on to something that seems to contradict me. It gets old so I give it right back to you and now you try to play the victim. Boo hoo.

I never claimed to have all the answers. I follow along as best I can and give my opinion. If you don't like my opinion feel free to disagree but if you want to take shots don't expect I won't return in kind.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 12:02 PM (/tuJf)

89 Holy FARK!

I just checked the HeyJackass Chicago site.

6 killed 27 wounded to 7 AM this morning.
Do not go to Chicago today. It's open season on everybody

Posted by: Bruce at June 01, 2019 12:03 PM (vd8XM)

90 Mozart 41 symphonies. Beethoven 9. Mozart is 32 better.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 12:04 PM (+y/Ru)

91 84 Just rolled out of bed.

Time for coffee and head to the range to break in my new Glock 19!

Whoohooo!
Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 01, 2019 11:58 AM (PkVlr)
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Can we expect a range report tomorrow?

Posted by: Weasel at June 01, 2019 12:04 PM (MVjcR)

92 I follow along as best I can and give my opinion. If you don't like my
opinion feel free to disagree ...

No, you really don't. You've gotten increasingly aggressive and rude.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:04 PM (T6t7i)

93 2020 California Republican Primary:

Trump 91%
Weld 3%
.
Trump 90%
Kasich 3%

Posted by: HA at June 01, 2019 12:05 PM (MAstk)

94 Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 01, 2019 11:50 AM (ty7RM)

Did you see the video on the ONT (I think) of the "bartender" making an old fashioned? "Bartending" seems an over rated "skill".

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2019 12:05 PM (ykq7q)

95 It could have been "spotty" and he was concerned for your health.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 01, 2019 11:58 AM

Or your possible appropriation of other cultures foodstuffs.

Posted by: Spotted Dick at June 01, 2019 12:05 PM (mPz+a)

96 >>No, you really don't. You've gotten increasingly aggressive and rude.

They you should have no problem ignoring me.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 12:05 PM (/tuJf)

97 . . . from thread below:

Hamlet was very much like a Dane.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2019 12:06 PM (hSQmw)

98 Morning Nurse! One of these weekends I'll trek over to the west side and hit the range with you & Mark.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 01, 2019 12:06 PM (0kM6h)

99 "I must give you a piece of intelligence that you perhaps already know-- namely, that the ungodly arch-villain Voltaire has died miserably like a dog -- just like a brute."

Posted by: Wolfgang at June 01, 2019 12:07 PM (qI5Q1)

100 44 I haven't heard much from JackStraw lately. Has he made any comments on Durham replacing Huber, because Huber, paraphrasing Barr's words, has done NOTHING? Apparently, Huber won't be coming after all.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:41 AM (T6t7i)

We discussed this a lot yesterday...

WILLIAM BARR: Right, so Huber had originally been asked to take a look at the FISA applications and the electronic surveillance but then he stood back and put that on hold while the Office of Inspector General was conducting its review, which would've been normal for the department. And he was essentially on standby in case Mr. Horowitz referred a matter to him to be handled criminally. So he has not been active on this front in recent months and so Durham is taking over that role. The other issues he's been working on relate to Hillary Clinton. Those are winding down and hopefully we'll be in a position to bring those to fruition.

Posted by: Tami at June 01, 2019 12:07 PM (cF8AT)

101 This is the 3rd or 4th time you have done this, posted something
sarcastically about me being hardest hit or some other garbage because
you grasp on to something that seems to contradict me.

Nonsense. I post something because you're usually knowledgeable. As to whether it contradicts you, I don't really care one way or another. Stop looking for slights.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:07 PM (T6t7i)

102 Welp, I need to write some half-ass BS for the gun thread and mow the grass. Back later y'all.

Posted by: Weasel at June 01, 2019 12:08 PM (MVjcR)

103 People are surprised that Trump is so clean. I'm not really. It makes sense.

What surprises me is the total lack of bitch n****z in his posse. The prosecutors were at 'em every single day, hoping to catch a case. Not one of them, except Cohen, rolled over and barked like a dog for Mueller... they kept the code.

Political people are usually the most callow, self-dealing type of scum. All they had to do was tell a few vague lies to give Mueller a pretext. It's amazing they all stayed loyal and strong. Even Manafort.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:08 PM (5aX2M)

104 Do not go to Chicago today. It's open season on everybody
..

But we have a home game.

Posted by: CUBS at June 01, 2019 12:09 PM (MAstk)

105
Did you see the video on the ONT (I think) of the "bartender" making an old fashioned? "Bartending" seems an over rated "skill".

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2019 12:05 PM (ykq7q)

The Old Fashioned is a tool of the white male patriarchy.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 01, 2019 12:09 PM (TAmPV)

106 Once upon a time in your wildest dreams

Posted by: grammie winger at June 01, 2019 12:10 PM (lwiT4)

107 I worked with a guy for almost 8 year and the day I left the business I said

Sam, everyone sees the same squirrels you do. We just dont chase them.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2019 11:56 AM (JFO2v)

I catch most of my squirrels at work.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2019 12:10 PM (hSQmw)

108 Weasel,

Yes to the range report! Mark also has some new stuff he's itching to enjoy.

Jordan! Get yourself over here! If you need a place to sack out, you and hubby are welcome!

Email me!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 01, 2019 12:10 PM (PkVlr)

109 Welp, I need to write some half-ass BS for the gun thread .

Posted by: Weasel at June 01, 2019 12:08 PM (MVjcR)

What!?! I expect the gun thread to be fully assed! Shape up there, mister!

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2019 12:10 PM (ykq7q)

110 I got 1 & 1/2 of the lawn mowed before the lightning and rain chased me inside. More rain not needed; the sandbagging lot was crowded again today.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 01, 2019 12:11 PM (/+bwe)

111 But we have a home game.
Posted by: CUBS

Could be, but they're playing in St Louis.
The White Sox are in town. They're game is 1:10
Get in, get out before it gets dark

Posted by: Bruce at June 01, 2019 12:11 PM (vd8XM)

112 Did you see the video on the ONT (I think) of the "bartender" making an old fashioned? "Bartending" seems an over rated "skill".

That HAD to be a joke. Enjoyable, nonetheless.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:11 PM (T6t7i)

113 Still no word as to whether David Hogg is on the scene yet.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,

Mebbe his bicycle got a flat tire.

Posted by: JT at June 01, 2019 12:11 PM (Mt8Tk)

114 https://youtu.be/VHJ-WcDhba8 See you guys later

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 01, 2019 12:11 PM (gMngZ)

115 Have you been watching Jeopardy?

As I pointed out the other night, the new contestants should be transported on stage in a tumbril.

Oh, that is well put. I have been watching Jeopardy. I know that the new contestants have been training their whole lives for this shot. They're the best among all their peers.

(You can at this point think either of Broseidon or Rosie Perez in White Men Can't Jump. Rosie shows spectacular boobs if you're having trouble choosing).

And then you run into that buzzsaw.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 01, 2019 12:12 PM (fuK7c)

116 I'll be Bach!

Posted by: andycanuck at June 01, 2019 12:12 PM (Dh1wo)

117 We know how much we love Hannity.
I tuned in late yesterday and he had a townhall like format with real guest, including Jerry Rivers who was talking when I turned the TV on. Almost got the impression that he was on board with Trump being framed-up and an avelanche coming down the mountain...

Then...
We interrupt for a special announcement, some unknown dude for totally unknown reasons killed a bunch of people today... for the rest of the hour.

I am starting think there may be something to the crazy idea that every time something major and favorable to Trump comes out some left wing nut looses it and shoots up a bunch of people just to knock the big story of the day off the news.

And today it is all impeachment again, no Clinton fruition.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 01, 2019 12:12 PM (1g7ch)

118 OT: f roll pins to hell, now and forever.

Thank you for your time.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 01, 2019 12:12 PM (t+qrx)

119 Get in, get out before it gets dark
..

Great advice! Especially by our ball park!

Posted by: WHITE SOX at June 01, 2019 12:12 PM (MAstk)

120 Get in, get out before it gets dark
..

Great advice! Especially by our ball park!
Posted by: WHITE SOX

Serpentine....

Posted by: Bruce at June 01, 2019 12:13 PM (vd8XM)

121 Welp, I need to write some half-ass BS for the gun thread .

Posted by: Weasel at June 01, 2019 12:08 PM (MVjcR)

What!?! I expect the gun thread to be fully assed! Shape up there, mister!

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2019 12:10 PM (ykq7q)
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Guest post by Bree Larson...

Posted by: Boots at June 01, 2019 12:13 PM (e9omi)

122 https://youtu.be/VHJ-WcDhba8 See you guys later

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 01, 2019 12:11 PM (gMngZ)

All the people in that video are on Social Security now.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 01, 2019 12:14 PM (lwiT4)

123 I haven't heard much from JackStraw lately. Has he made any comments on Durham replacing Huber, because Huber, paraphrasing Barr's words, has done NOTHING? Apparently, Huber won't be coming after all.

JS has been around. Huber was doing nothing about Russia. He's been investigating Hillary.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 01, 2019 12:14 PM (fuK7c)

124 I tuned in late yesterday and he had a townhall like format with real guest, including Jerry Rivers who was talking when I turned the TV on. Almost got the impression that he was on board with Trump being framed-up and an avelanche coming down the mountain...
=======

95% of the time he's very pro Trump. Surprised me first time I heard it...really surprised me the 5th time I heard it.

Posted by: Tami at June 01, 2019 12:14 PM (cF8AT)

125 My second daughter double majored in business and opera. (Guess which one she uses to make a living) Anyway, I asked her a question about Mozart recently, and she described his work as "trite". I don't know if she was repeating something she heard from her profs, or if that is really her opinion.
Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 11:44 AM (T6t7i)

Trite. As opposed to her own sublime works of genius? There is a cycle in selecting the greatest composer. Beethoven was da bomb for sometime. Mozart had a resurgence after Out of Africa. Bach seems to be top dog now. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and they think the other person's stinks.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 01, 2019 12:15 PM (m79Dg)

126 And if you would prefer to go straight to the movement everyone likes, here it is

Up yours buddy. I play the first movement and I love it. Of course, the reason why I play it is because it's slow enough for me and the third movement is too fast. But still -- up yours buddy.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 01, 2019 12:15 PM (ynUnH)

127 All the people in that video are on Social Security now.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 01, 2019 12:14 PM (lwiT4)

Those peeps are prolly dead....I'm on social security.

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2019 12:16 PM (ykq7q)

128 There is a cycle
in selecting the greatest composer. Beethoven was da bomb for sometime.
Mozart had a resurgence after Out of Africa. Bach seems to be top dog
now.

Personally, I'm a Zamfir man.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:17 PM (T6t7i)

129 We interrupt for a special announcement, some unknown dude for totally unknown reasons killed a bunch of people today... for the rest of the hour.

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I noted yesterday that if I were Hannity's producer/showrunner, and we set up a big special with big names on the network's biggest ratings draw, and they preempted us for that crap, I'd be angry enough to eat whoever was responsible.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:18 PM (5aX2M)

130 Mozart 41 symphonies. Beethoven 9. Mozart is 32 better.

I can play 9 Beethovens in my head and 0 Mozarts.

I don't know shit about classical music, but Beethoven wins the Bander Challenge.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 01, 2019 12:18 PM (fuK7c)

131 Um, Barr said Huber had been on standby WRT FISA, but had been working on Clinton matters due to the IG investigation, and that he hoped they would be bringing those matters "to fruition". Unless I imagined it all.

There are known and unknown unknowns here, have been all along. The frustration - no, rage and fury - over the obvious crimes and injustices committed are entirely justified. The endless speculation/pronouncements/wild imaginings WRT the inner workings of what's going on is what a comment section is for - and all are free to skip when it's dumb, repetitive, or tedious.

First s**tburger to ripen here may well be the Flynn case, which has never made the slightest bit of sense in its own right, has always been drenched in dubious issues, and now has what appears to be a direct conflict between judge and prosecution [appears].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 12:18 PM (QDnY+)

132 Welp, I need to write some half-ass BS for the gun thread .

Posted by: Weasel

Nonsense !

The gun thread is informational, informative and entertaining !

Posted by: JT at June 01, 2019 12:18 PM (Mt8Tk)

133 Saleri's was the only one, in the "city of music" who knew that Mozart's music was miraculous. He felt indignant on his behalf. His jealousy came after the feeling of unfairness.

Also a devout person putting the crucifix on the fire is more hard-core than any metal concert.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 01, 2019 12:19 PM (rnAwa)

134 129 We interrupt for a special announcement, some unknown dude for totally unknown reasons killed a bunch of people today... for the rest of the hour.

-------

I noted yesterday that if I were Hannity's producer/showrunner, and we set up a big special with big names on the network's biggest ratings draw, and they preempted us for that crap, I'd be angry enough to eat whoever was responsible.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:18 PM (5aX2M)

George P was suppose to be on that panel but didn't see him. Did I just miss him?

Posted by: Tami at June 01, 2019 12:19 PM (cF8AT)

135 Personally, I'm a Zamfir man.
Posted by: pep

Slim Whitman for the win

Posted by: Bruce at June 01, 2019 12:20 PM (vd8XM)

136 I don't know shit about classical music, but Beethoven wins the Bander Challenge.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at

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Mozart is really good. Beethoven is really, really better. It's like comparing Joe Namath to John Elway.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:21 PM (5aX2M)

137 Salierli. Assassino.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 01, 2019 12:21 PM (MwFQu)

138
Personally, I'm a Zamfir man.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:17 PM (T6t7i)

We have MIM here. Musical instrument museum. There needs to be more music on the moog, if that the one you wave your hands between two metal posts and it makes alien sounds. Heidi had a blast with it at MIM. She's a moog prodigy.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 01, 2019 12:21 PM (OX6sG)

139 Namath prolly got laid more.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 01, 2019 12:21 PM (fuK7c)

140 7 I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The ADA isn't a law, it's a Hallmark card. Well, it's also an ambulance chaser's full employment act.
Posted by: W.A. Mozart
______

President George H.W. Bush said the ADA was his proudest accomplishment.

Posted by: Furious George at June 01, 2019 12:22 PM (9vQJW)

141 Did I just miss him?
Posted by: Tami at June 01, 2019 12:19 PM (cF8AT)

Not sure... I was just listening to audio. I don't think I heard him. Carter Page was there though.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:22 PM (5aX2M)

142 [AOC] cracked open the bottle, and proceeded to fill it to within 1/2" of the rim. I've never tended bar, but correct me if I'm wrong, a full pour of wine is typically 6 oz. yes? That was like 12 oz. I've seen bar tenders line up a pour of wine w/a pre-poured glass just to make sure they don't go over.
She's a f'ing poser. In all things.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin

Keepin' it real.
Stickin' it to the man.
Down with the patriarchy and the capitalists!

Posted by: Downcast at June 01, 2019 12:23 PM (p6Q7Q)

143 Thank you, KT, for the pianist. Awesome interpretation of the 'Turkish' variations. Did not use the theatrical flourishes and bass (I've heard it done with bassline done an octave lower) with pedal. Beautiful.

Don't have time today to dive into youtube for the pianist, although the 'Bosendorfer' (thank you Victor Borge) was prominent.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 01, 2019 12:23 PM (MIKMs)

144 Mozart 41 symphonies. Beethoven 9. Mozart is 32 better.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 12:04 PM (+y/Ru)

Mozart also had more than 626 compositions, as opposed to Beethoven's 138 opuses. Although, he wrote many others which were not numbered and lost to time. However, Beethoven's Symphonies are much better than Mozart's. His Sonatas are sublime as well. I think Mozart's Concertos are better, but they do not have the complexity of Beethoven's. In my opinion, Mozart was like a beautiful girl of 16 to 18. Beethoven's work was like a beautiful woman of 35 that actually had some wisdom acquired from life.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 01, 2019 12:23 PM (m79Dg)

145 Salieri was a genius, the teacher of Beethoven, and
his best music sounds like pre-Beethoven. I've never been convinced that
Mozart was that much better than Salieri.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 01, 2019 11:40 AM (ykYG2)

As a wise Flavor Flav once said, "Don't believe the hype!"

Posted by: TheHoser at June 01, 2019 12:23 PM (IDjUx)

146 Do not go to Chicago today. It's open season on everybody
Posted by: Bruce at June 01, 2019 12:03 PM (vd8XM)

It is hurricane season start today.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2019 12:24 PM (JFO2v)

147 Another old favorite was ruined today. Checked FAMILY CIRCLE magazine out of the library. Mother's Day edition, including a feature on an intact family. Then a feature on the mom of a teenaged drag queen. Um, no.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 01, 2019 12:25 PM (/+bwe)

148 I am convinced that if Mozart were alive today, he would be medicated into a state of mediocrity.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 01, 2019 12:25 PM (w7KSn)

149 @charliekirk11

Did you know:

Robert Mueller's office deleted 19,000 text messages between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok

How is that not obstruction of justice?

What were they trying to cover up?

====

That's a hellaova lotta text msgs!

Posted by: Tami at June 01, 2019 12:25 PM (cF8AT)

150 Mozart is really good. Beethoven is really, really better. It's like comparing Joe Namath to John Elway.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

I find I can listen to Mozart most of the time, but it's more background music. Beethoven requires full attention, and I'm often not in the mood for it.

I've actually been listening a lot to Ludovico Einaudi lately. Music snobs sometimes say his music is much simpler than a Beethoven or Mozart, but who cares? It's very emotionally evocative. Rachmaninoff plays a million notes a minute, but at the end, all I think is "that's a lot of notes".

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:25 PM (T6t7i)

151 I've always thought that with Mozart's compositions you can come it at any time and just enjoy them. With Beethoven you have to start at the beginning and pay attention, you can't just come in in the middle. But the reward is great.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 01, 2019 12:27 PM (ynUnH)

152 To the Namath-Elway analogy I can bring this back to Jeopardy.

Ken Jennings was asked about challenging the new guy Holzhauer. He said "can I have my 2004 brain back?", and went on to say you can't compare Ruth to Aaron.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 01, 2019 12:27 PM (fuK7c)

153
We have MIM here. Musical instrument museum.
There needs to be more music on the moog, if that the one you wave your
hands between two metal posts and it makes alien sounds. Heidi had a
blast with it at MIM. She's a moog prodigy.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 01, 2019 12:21 PM (OX6sG)

Theramin. It sounds to me like tuneable cicadas, but it is a fun instrument.

Of course if you like electronic music and taxidermy, there is the Badgermin.

https://youtu.be/I6eTdPG3jo8

Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2019 12:27 PM (hSQmw)

154
President George H.W. Bush said the ADA was his proudest accomplishment.

Posted by: Furious George at June 01, 2019 12:22 PM (9vQJW)
------------------------------------

What was it with that family? Wars in the middle east and progressivism at home. The younger Bush was the one who signed the law outlawing lightbulbs. Thus destroying that industry in the USA, and sending those jobs to China.

Posted by: Boots at June 01, 2019 12:27 PM (e9omi)

155 133 Saleri's was the only one, in the "city of music" who knew that Mozart's music was miraculous. He felt indignant on his behalf. His jealousy came after the feeling of unfairness.

Also a devout person putting the crucifix on the fire is more hard-core than any metal concert.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 01, 2019 12:19 PM (rnAwa)

That was the movie. It didn't really happen.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 01, 2019 12:28 PM (ynUnH)

156 I am convinced that if Mozart were alive today, he would be medicated into a state of mediocrity.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 01, 2019 12:25 PM (w7KSn)

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If Beethoven were alive today, he'd likely be incarcerated in a facility for the criminally insane.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:28 PM (5aX2M)

157 JS has been around. Huber was doing nothing about Russia. He's been investigating Hillary.

Fascinating criminal defense strategy.

Commit so many major felonies and crimes over a life time and have teams of prosecutors and investigators working 24/7 for decades unraveling all of the murders, espionage, sedition, corruption, fraud, extortion, and treason before they are willing to go to court with even one crime.

Heck, pin the Seth Rich "mugging" on her and for that alone she will die in prison. No need to see how many millennia of consecutive sentencing they can charge.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 01, 2019 12:29 PM (lD3vL)

158
Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 12:18 PM (QDnY+)

Barr, especially in the interview, looks like the cuddly grandpa. He words denote long arms and
jaws of steel.

Sounded as if he faulted Huber dropping the ball and said he's put his man on it.

When asked about his reputation/legacy he responded..."...everybody dies."

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 12:29 PM (Ofz3/)

159
Sounded as if he faulted Huber dropping the ball and said he's put his man on it.

======

"What a farce," says Powerline.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 01, 2019 12:30 PM (13CQC)

160

Just days after Memorial Day, when veterans are remembered for giving their lives in battle,Bill Nye nonchalantly claimed there is a "Pearl Harbor" moment on climate change every week - but is only being recognized by his side: "the science side."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 01, 2019 12:30 PM (aKsyK)

161 When asked about his reputation/legacy he responded..."...everybody dies.

That quote alone makes me trust the man. He's the right guy for the job.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:31 PM (T6t7i)

162 I've actually been listening a lot to Ludovico Einaudi lately. Music snobs sometimes say his music is much simpler than a Beethoven or Mozart, but who cares? It's very emotionally evocative. Rachmaninoff plays a million notes a minute, but at the end, all I think is "that's a lot of notes".
Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:25 PM

Really his music is great. There was a strange tribute album called "in a time lapse- the remixes" that I also enjoy.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 01, 2019 12:31 PM (/+bwe)

163 Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:25 PM (T6t7i)

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I agree with most of that... but Rachmaninoff is the shit. Makes my SMR blood boil in my veins. Tchaikovsky though... that's the money.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:31 PM (5aX2M)

164 From the HeyJackass.com link. Chicago has a big 8.6% homicide clearance rate. 81.4% black victims + 15.2% Hispanic victims = 96.6% minority victims.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

165 Jordan61
When you and hubbie come through E-burg to see Nurse, stop by ifor lunch.
Some good places here. Something to sustain you until Nurse takes you woodpecker hunting.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at June 01, 2019 12:31 PM (TkuZ0)

166 As I've said and will continue to say, the Mueller operation, from its establishment to this point [possible shenanigans in Flynn case WRT recorded conversations], is *in itself* part of the mega-scandal. One that may well come back to haunt the country unless it is dealt with. "Independent counsel" was abolished for lots of good reasons, but replacement statute/regs haven't solved the problem. Hard to see how to fix it, as abusive/idiotic use of discretion by DOJ is about impossible to exclude from the picture.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 12:31 PM (QDnY+)

167 Just days after Memorial Day, when veterans are remembered for giving their lives in battle,Bill Nye nonchalantly claimed there is a "Pearl Harbor" moment on climate change every week - but is only being recognized by his side: "the science side."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 01, 2019 12:30 PM (aKsyK)

And yet he's no scientist. He is - or was - a mechanical engineer. Grrrr.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 12:32 PM (KFtuK)

168 According to wiki Mozart was a devout Catholic.
There is a painting of him wearing a medal of some Holy Order given to him by the Pope.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 12:32 PM (Ofz3/)

169 haven't heard much from JackStraw lately. Has he made any comments on Durham replacing Huber, because Huber, paraphrasing Barr's words, has done NOTHING? Apparently, Huber won't be coming after all.

JS has been around. Huber was doing nothing about Russia. He's been investigating Hillary.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at Ju

The news about Durham is pretty exciting Also that the Flynn set up seems to be unraveling and will impact the credibility of Muellers report

Posted by: LASue at June 01, 2019 12:32 PM (wMHPW)

170 Theramin. It sounds to me like tuneable cicadas, but it is a fun instrument.

Of course if you like electronic music and taxidermy, there is the Badgermin.

https://youtu.be/I6eTdPG3jo8
Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2019 12:27 PM (hSQmw)

We are laughing our asses off. Only here...lol.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 01, 2019 12:33 PM (OX6sG)

171 The ADA story is amazing. I make $4000 and end your family's livelihood because a counter is two inches too high. Or low. Or the paint in the parkin lot is the wrong shade of blue.

And I never even have to visit your business.

Emotional Support Ponies in places where food is prepared and served is totes okay though.

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 12:33 PM (lPsvG)

172 Just days after Memorial Day, when veterans are remembered for giving
their lives in battle,Bill Nye nonchalantly claimed there is a "Pearl
Harbor" moment on climate change every week - but is only being
recognized by his side: "the science side."

Somebody send him the IDB story about NOAA BS'ing the game.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 01, 2019 12:34 PM (oVJmc)

173 "What a farce," says Powerline.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 01, 2019 12:30 PM (13CQC)

Tell me more.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 12:35 PM (Ofz3/)

174 Personally, I'm a Zamfir man.
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I'm waiting for Haydn to get some respect. Even his most serious works sound optimistic. Another 'just pretty stuff' dismissal, but just think about his own joy in music breaking out into even the most solemn and grave pieces.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 01, 2019 12:35 PM (MIKMs)

175 but Rachmaninoff is the shit. Makes my SMR blood boil in my veins. Tchaikovsky though... that's the money.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:31 PM (5aX2M)

Rachmaninoff was the original Rach and Roller

Posted by: vdoggeh woof woof at June 01, 2019 12:35 PM (dm05u)

176 there is a "Pearl Harbor" moment on climate change every week - but is only being recognized by his side: "the science side."

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It's weird how "the science side" doesn't understand how a hypothesis works.

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 12:35 PM (lPsvG)

177 It is hurricane season start today.

Yeah, the really went out on a limb predicting this year's season.

Colorado State University's first review of global climate patterns that could influence the 2019 hurricane season found a 65 percent chance that a near average or less active hurricane season will unfold, giving an above-average season a 35 percent chance of occurring.

That is like predicting coin tosses.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 01, 2019 12:36 PM (lD3vL)

178 There's an ADA lawsuit predator here in CO that's hit dozens and dozens of businesses. IIRC, some judge finally put a stop to him somehow.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:36 PM (5aX2M)

179 >>The news about Durham is pretty exciting Also that the Flynn set up seems to be unraveling and will impact the credibility of Muellers report

THe Hartford Courant, Durham's hometown paper in CT, reported that Durham has been working on these issues since last summer, before Barr was even in office.

Others have been reporting that he started before Barr made the announcement but the Courant is the only place I've found that says he's been at it for almost a year.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 12:36 PM (/tuJf)

180 ok, canine sock set aside

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 01, 2019 12:36 PM (dm05u)

181 The Conservative Case for ADA Regulations That Destroy Businesses

by George HW and George W Bush

Posted by: James OBrien at June 01, 2019 12:37 PM (R8O7X)

182 So hurricanes will happen in hurricane season, and there's a 35% chance that they might happen 35% more or 35% less.

SCIENCE SIDE!

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 12:37 PM (lPsvG)

183 Beethoven's Symphonies are much better than Mozart's.

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I think that there are few things more beautiful than Mozart's 40 symphony.

P.S. I love Rachmaninoff.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 12:38 PM (+y/Ru)

184 I'd like to start a movement to replace the leftist term "homelessness" with the more accurate one, "vagrancy."

Anyone second that?

"Homelessness" detoxifies a social pathology, and makes the "homeless" the subject of pity and compassion, which in most cases I suspect is not appropriate.

"Vagrancy" puts the onus back on the those who are responsible for the social pathology, and is a step toward addressing the problem. And by "addressing," I don't mean providing these clowns with $300,000 condos, as LA has been doing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 12:38 PM (KFtuK)

185 LOL WTF RE: Badgermin? Why?!?! Why did he do this? I must know the genesis of the Badgermin.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:38 PM (5aX2M)

186 ADA: revise it or sunset it.
It's not supposed to be bludgeon or a make-work program for inspectors, contractors, and lawyers.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 12:39 PM (Ofz3/)

187 I love Rachmaninoff so long as I don't have to play it.

Posted by: Little Boomer at June 01, 2019 12:39 PM (6fu25)

188
the Flynn case, which has never made the slightest bit of sense in its own right, has always been drenched in dubious issues, and now has what appears to be a direct conflict between judge and prosecution [appears].

Posted by: rhomboid

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How in the hell does this happen now that Barr is the boss? Judge Sullivan said Give me documents regarding your prosecution of Michael Flynn. Deep State says "No, we don't think they're relevant." And that's where we stand for now? Huh?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 01, 2019 12:39 PM (13CQC)

189 []184
I'd like to start a movement to replace the leftist term "homelessness" with the more accurate one, "vagrancy."

Anyone second that?

I expect everyone here does, but it won't happen. There's social posturing to be had!

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:40 PM (T6t7i)

190 According to wiki Mozart was a devout Catholic.
There is a painting of him wearing a medal of some Holy Order given to him by the Pope.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 12:32 PM

Yes. It ticked me off when reading about a famous artist, musician, poet, whatever, that the SJWs must retrofit them with atheism, lesbianism, etc. Because sincere belief in Christ and celibacy are impossible now.

Rosetti's Goblin Market, which she said repeatedly was a children's poem, is now about sex because of illustrators.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 01, 2019 12:41 PM (/+bwe)

191 Back from dog walk. Today is the local Master Gardener Tour. My neighbor across the street (one of the nicest people I've ever known) is one of the tour stops, well, her house/garden is.

The street is full of parked cars, and late-middle-aged folks taking the tour, all quite pleasant, most stopping to say hello to Sophie The Dog.

At any rate, my neighbor's place is like The Magic Garden. A gardener's dream. She works on it incessantly. She's 83.

Meanwhile. across the street, Chez Hammer is an embarrassment by contrast. Stuff that should have been pruned back in January/Febuary has run amok. Viney weeds crawling up through overgrown shrubbery. Gah!

Posted by: Mike Hammer's Dog at June 01, 2019 12:41 PM (w54mS)

192 He's not an alcoholic loser who decided to burn all his bridges and not even his family cares what happens to him anymore.

He's homeless.

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 12:41 PM (lPsvG)

193 Weasel, if still here, an idea for the gub thread: http://flamethrowerexpert.com/

Just to broaden our horizons a bit.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 12:41 PM (QDnY+)

194 Anyone second that?

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I still call them bums and beggars.

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 12:43 PM (lPsvG)

195 I'm waiting for Haydn to get some respect. Even his most serious works sound optimistic. Another 'just pretty stuff' dismissal, but just think about his own joy in music breaking out into even the most solemn and grave pieces.

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The BBC series Auschwitz uses music from Handel's Saul to give an appropriate somber aspect.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 12:43 PM (+y/Ru)

196 Welp, off to move dirt for flower beds. Later.

Posted by: pep at June 01, 2019 12:44 PM (T6t7i)

197 Thank you for telling me it was fiction. Your observation is very sporty.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 01, 2019 12:44 PM (rnAwa)

198
Tell me more.
Posted by: Braenyard

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Barr: "he has not been active on this front in recent months and so Durham is taking over that role."

Powerline: "This is news. Huber didn't do a blasted thing."

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 01, 2019 12:44 PM (13CQC)

199 . . . One day you wake up and realize you look like a young David Lynch . . .

And there is that stuffed badger sitting there . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2019 12:44 PM (hSQmw)

200 Jerry Rivers knew and got along with Trump from the 70's onward, so I think he's being kind of loyal to a fellow NYC guy.
Even if he rails against a Trump policy, it never gets personal.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 12:45 PM (NFEMn)

201 ADA: revise it or sunset it.
It's not supposed to be bludgeon or a make-work program for inspectors, contractors, and lawyers.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Broad, well-intended Nanny State regulations *always* blow up. ALWAYS. Consider Title IX.

Good intentions are the paving stones in the road to hell. As one Moron put it, attempts to substitute compassion for good judgement always fail. Always.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 12:46 PM (w54mS)

202 Colorado State University's first review of global climate patterns that could influence the 2019 hurricane season found a 65 percent chance that a near average or less active hurricane season will unfold, giving an above-average season a 35 percent chance of occurring.

Lessee, 65%, 35% ... where have I heard those numbers before? Oh yeah. In statistics. So they're saying the likelihood is that the incidence of hurricanes is most likely =

Now do IQ scores. Wait - same thing. Wait again - same thing with any normal distribution.

Is there anything global warming can't do?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 12:46 PM (KFtuK)

203 Is there anything global warming can't do?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 12:46 PM (KFtuK)

Maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2019 12:48 PM (ykq7q)

204 I agree about the homeless euphemism, sort of. Between the government, the churches, and private charity, nobody needs to live on the streets. The people who take advantage of them are homeless, but looking for a way up and out, and not cluttering my city with filth and detritus.

The people who do that do it because they want to and are vagrants and should be treated as such.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:48 PM (5aX2M)

205 Broad, well-intended Nanny State regulations *always* blow up. ALWAYS. Consider Title IX.

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I remember reading a few years ago that the feds were putting water regulations in place for a particular contaminate. The limit was lower than monitoring devices could measure.

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 12:48 PM (lPsvG)

206 Hurricanes: Anybody follow Bastardi?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 12:50 PM (Ofz3/)

207 Has Tony "Nightshade" Salieri been arrested yet?....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2019 12:51 PM (Z+IKu)

208 Rudy:

"The investigation of the investigators should include the formation, and conduct, of the special counsel's office".

Rudy, I told you to stop taking our cues from my comments here, but I'll allow it in this case.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 12:51 PM (QDnY+)

209 There needs to be more music on the moog, if that the one you wave your hands between two metal posts and it makes alien sounds.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

That's a theremin.

A moog is an analog synth that looks like an old heathkit learn-to-electronics set.

Posted by: mikeski at June 01, 2019 12:51 PM (P1f+c)

210
I'm off to a wedding.
Which means I'm required to wear pants.

Posted by: YIKES! at June 01, 2019 12:51 PM (t6XCL)

211 The BBC series Auschwitz uses music from Handel's Saul to give an appropriate somber aspect.
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Handel is another who doesn't get respect -- 'popular music', I guess.

I think Julio Cesare has been in constant rotation since writing. One of the best interpretations is from Danish Royal Opera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5lbVdr-2WU

or

Valerie Masterson does an awesome version as well.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 01, 2019 12:51 PM (MIKMs)

212 I'm off to a wedding.
Which means I'm required to wear pants.
Posted by: YIKES!

And remember. The zipper goes UP

Posted by: Bruce at June 01, 2019 12:52 PM (vd8XM)

213 I've got a couple LPs of Moog music.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 01, 2019 12:52 PM (oVJmc)

214 Homelessness, CA has solved that problem for America. The local Purple Heart reception centers in my area are closing down.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 12:53 PM (Ofz3/)

215 I remember reading a few years ago that the feds were putting water regulations in place for a particular contaminate. The limit was lower than monitoring devices could measure.
Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron
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California may be the worst. They require that lead content for most products be reduced to what are *background* levels.

A friend who was in the business of manufacturing Compact Disks (BMG), told me that if they met the CA standard, then a child would have *eat* 3-4 CD's a week to be endangered by the lead content in the metalization. But, that was the standard that CA demanded.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 12:53 PM (ZMWtN)

216 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:48 PM (5aX2M)

Fair enough. I of course have sympathy for those who are on the street through no fault of their own, but instead owing to the caprice of Fate.

But I also implicitly assume that most of the hard-core "homeless" are there because of their own decisions (or because of well-meant but disastrous public policies, such as O'Connor v. Donaldson, which turned the mentally ill loose onto the street for "care in the community").

Recently a local woman was stabbed 147 times by two vagrants who broke into her house.

https://tinyurl.com/y5oz65ql

Compassion, indeed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 12:54 PM (KFtuK)

217 Basic premise fail

Durham did not replace Huber

Durham was in addition to Huber.'

Posted by: Ben Had at June 01, 2019 12:54 PM (D4CfT)

218
Jerry Rivers knew and got along with Trump from the 70's onward, so I think he's being kind of loyal to a fellow NYC guy. Even if he rails against a Trump policy, it never gets personal.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 12:45 PM (NFEMn)

I noticed he began to shift right after the Paris nightclub attack in 2015 when his daughter was in the attending a soccer game in the stadium that was targeted.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 01, 2019 12:54 PM (TAmPV)

219 I would also add that people who take advantage of society's largesse that we provide for the honestly needy people who want to become productive like us, but have no intention of self-improvement, are also vagrants of a worse variety.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:55 PM (5aX2M)

220 Our uber-Progressive town relies *entirely* on charities to provide services for the homeless, while simultaneously establishing policies that *attract* 'homeless'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 12:55 PM (ZMWtN)

221 noticed he began to shift right after the Paris nightclub attack in 2015 when his daughter was in the attending a soccer game in the stadium that was targeted.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 01, 2019 12:54 PM (TAmPV)

Rivera was pretty much always on board with the War against Terror , but he's very weak on immigration.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 12:56 PM (NFEMn)

222 I've got a couple LPs of Moog music.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
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The company is located just down the street.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 12:57 PM (ZMWtN)

223 The inventor of the Theremin, there is another interesting biography.
A Soviet defector, the musical device he invented was perhaps the least important of his inventions.
He was eventually kidnapped from the streets of Manhattan (ostensibly by Soviets), never to be seen again.
A movie exists about him.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 01, 2019 12:57 PM (w7KSn)

224 CBS News
@CBSNews
A solution for childhood obesity? Universal basic income

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You can't argue with science or CBS News.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 12:57 PM (+y/Ru)

225 What hath vagrancy wrought?

Rotting trash in LA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM21yCBn8HI

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 12:57 PM (KFtuK)

226 Morticia, as with so much here I don't understand how or if the Flynn case prosecutors' behavior is subject to DOJ supervision, except that all of it is, in theory. Yeah, WTF? Of course the Concord case [Russian social media nonsense, significance = zero] was a farce from the outset, and DOJ hasn't s**t-canned that, either.

Who at Powerline? I assume John? Maybe he didn't read the Barr transcript. Or he's referring to some other aspect - lots of "farce" in the DOJ for many years now.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 12:58 PM (QDnY+)

227 A-no place to roam
Ain't got no home.

Posted by: Clarence Frogman Henry at June 01, 2019 12:58 PM (4knXT)

228 224 CBS News
@CBSNews
A solution for childhood obesity? Universal basic income

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You can't argue with science or CBS News.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 01, 2019 12:57 PM (+y/Ru)

I have a solution: bring back mandatory PE.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 12:58 PM (KFtuK)

229 He was eventually kidnapped from the streets of Manhattan (ostensibly by Soviets), never to be seen again.
A movie exists about him.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 01, 2019 12:57 PM (w7KSn)

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The commies never forgave him for the theremin.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 01, 2019 12:59 PM (4knXT)

230 @CBSNews

A solution for childhood obesity? Universal basic income

Quite the leap there. With some upside-down backflips and loop-de-loops.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 01, 2019 12:59 PM (lwiT4)

231 @157
Knowing destruction of government records.
Hatch Act (hiring government staff to work on your campaign)
Misappropriation of charity funds (Clinton Foundation) for political and personal purposes.

Then hit her with obstruction of justice after the former are proven.
The list just goes on and on....

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 01, 2019 12:59 PM (SqopC)

232 There's a great futuristic surf rock band called Man or Astroman that uses a theremin quite a bit:

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=xOld-kvQYm0

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 12:59 PM (2DpZX)

233 He was eventually kidnapped from the streets of Manhattan (ostensibly by Soviets), never to be seen again.
A movie exists about him.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 01, 2019 12:57 PM (w7KSn)

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The commies never forgave him for the theremin.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 01, 2019 12:59 PM (4knXT)

He was picking up the Good Vibrations

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 01:00 PM (NFEMn)

234 But I also implicitly assume that most of the hard-core "homeless" are there because of their own decisions (or because of well-meant but disastrous public policies

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Yup. Americans are the most generous people in the world, by a long shot. We want you to get better, and are willing to help. If you desire to live as a hobo, or won't kick the junk, or are an incurable lunatic, what the hell can more "compassion" accomplish?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 01:00 PM (5aX2M)

235 220 Our uber-Progressive town relies *entirely* on charities to provide services for the homeless, while simultaneously establishing policies that *attract* 'homeless'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 12:55 PM (ZMWtN)

Residents of SF routinely bleat that they don't know why there are so many vagrants there when they have all these programs to help them.

These people must have another small brain in their butts to drive their legs.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 01:00 PM (KFtuK)

236 The commies never forgave him for the theremin.
Posted by: Cicero
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I confess to mixed emotions.

I feel the same way about the 'Glass Harmonica'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 01:00 PM (U2TY5)

237 I honestly don't know how a normal kid becomes obese. My grandchildren are skin and bones and they eat well. Three meals a day and two snacks. Of course, they are always outside playing, so there's that.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 01, 2019 01:01 PM (lwiT4)

238
Who at Powerline? I assume John? Maybe he didn't read the Barr transcript. Or he's referring to some other aspect - lots of "farce" in the DOJ for many years now.
Posted by: rhomboid

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Scott, actually. (Good for you -- I can't tell Scott and John apart. Paul and Steve I can spot at the headline.)

He says "farce" in his column today in which he quotes the interview at length. That's his take on that passage of the interview.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 01, 2019 01:02 PM (13CQC)

239 Rivera was pretty much always on board with the War against Terror , but he's very weak on immigration.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 12:56 PM (NFEMn)

Yup....Jerry is down with the latino struggle as a faux minority who always takes our little brown brothers side in the open borders debate.

He wouldn't know an empanada from his mofongo.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2019 01:02 PM (Z+IKu)

240 Yup. Americans are the most generous people in the world, by a long shot. We want you to get better, and are willing to help. If you desire to live as a hobo, or won't kick the junk, or are an incurable lunatic, what the hell can more "compassion" accomplish?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 01:00 PM (5aX2M)

This.

You can't promote heresy in a church to which you don't belong.

And when someone's problem arises from internal variables, nothing external to the person is going to fix the problem short of coercion.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 01:02 PM (KFtuK)

241 There's another band called Legendary Pink Dots that does, too, but they're way too f*cking weird for most people:

The Saucers Are Coming

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Axi8nrvOkkY

(I do love their first contact songs, though.)

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 01:02 PM (2DpZX)

242 Gardening thread is up.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 01, 2019 01:03 PM (gC2IV)

243 "The investigation of the investigators should include the formation, and conduct, of the special counsel's office".

Just gonna keep repeating that one for emphasis, and to enhance the tedium of my comments [if that's possible].

Oh - and the "conduct" part, per force, encompasses the supervision of the Mueller operation. Let's see those scope memos.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 01:03 PM (QDnY+)

244
There's a gardening thread up for those of you morons who do such things.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 01, 2019 01:03 PM (13CQC)

245 106 Theramins led the big parade...

Posted by: Burger Chef at June 01, 2019 01:04 PM (RuIsu)

246 A little thematic mood music for the thread

https://youtu.be/om0ZkQzL7bo

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 01, 2019 01:04 PM (4knXT)

247 A solution for childhood obesity? Universal basic income

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And a complete end to welfare, food stamps, "adversity scores", section 8, and other BS?

I'll listen.

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 01:04 PM (2DpZX)

248 Residents of SF routinely bleat that they don't know why there are so many vagrants there when they have all these programs to help them.

These people must have another small brain in their butts to drive their legs.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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I was darkly amused a while back, when a reporter asked the City Manager, "Why is Asheville so hard to manage?"

Easy answer would have been, because 'Progressive' policies are turning it into an uncontrollable sewer. The actual answer was the usual litany of Lefty weasel words.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 01:04 PM (ZMWtN)

249
Durham was in addition to Huber.'

Which rules Bartertown?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 01, 2019 01:05 PM (oVJmc)

250 I would also add that people who take advantage of society's largesse that we provide for the honestly needy people who want to become productive like us, but have no intention of self-improvement, are also vagrants of a worse variety.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:55 PM

THIS. I asked about a volunteer food program for kids that seemed to have stopped suddenly. Part of it was volunteers were tired of serving people who couldn't even bother to get off their expensive phones long enough to chitchat before they hopped back into their late-model SUVs. The warning "don't judge the clients" used to be so that you didn't look down on dirty disheveled people with missing teeth, not overlook the conspicuous consumption...

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 01, 2019 01:05 PM (/+bwe)

251 A solution for childhood obesity? Universal basic income

Isn't welfare and food stamps etc. ALREADY universal basic income?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 01, 2019 01:06 PM (oVJmc)

252
"The investigation of the investigators should include the formation, and conduct, of the special counsel's office".

Just gonna keep repeating that one for emphasis, and to enhance the tedium of my comments [if that's possible].

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lol, not tedious. How do we get those "should"s to become "is"s?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 01, 2019 01:06 PM (13CQC)

253 Isn't welfare and food stamps etc. ALREADY universal basic income?

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I've posted it before, but you can go on the fed websites and find calculators for food stamps.

A family of four receives $700 a month.

My family of four has a $400/month budget, and that includes restaurants.

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 01:07 PM (2DpZX)

254
they are always outside playing, so there's that.
Posted by: grammie winger

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I think that's it. I am not a scientist, and I wonder if your body gets certain metabolic "habits" early in life, too.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 01, 2019 01:08 PM (13CQC)

255 California may be the worst. They require that lead content for most products be reduced to what are *background* levels.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 12:53 PM (ZMWtN)

It is neurotic, and/or stupid. Implicitly it assumes that if a lot is bad, less is better, without end.

A dear friend of mine is a toxicologist who exemplifies the problem. Mention any compound whatsoever and he says, "Ooooh, that one is bad." Of course, he also drives 35 mph on the freeway (scares the crap out of me as at the last second people realize he's barely moving and swerve around him), protects his ears when a plane passes overhead.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 01:08 PM (KFtuK)

256 not overlook the conspicuous consumption...
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An under-used phrase.

*tips hat to Veblen*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 01:09 PM (ZMWtN)

257 Federal Records Act, I think, xnycpeasant. Boring, but yuuuge and important violations. Kind of vanilla next to the massive, unprecedented, unbelievable deliberate systematic violation of the Espionage Act that were part of the same actions, but not at all a "pile on" charge.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 01:09 PM (QDnY+)

258 I was darkly amused a while back, when a reporter asked the City Manager, "Why is Asheville so hard to manage?"

Easy answer would have been, because 'Progressive' policies are turning it into an uncontrollable sewer. The actual answer was the usual litany of Lefty weasel words.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 01:04 PM (ZMWtN)

Asheville, NC? It used to be on our list of places to which we might flee, but has been struck off the list because we gathered that it was in the leftist death spiral.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 01:10 PM (KFtuK)

259 Yup....Jerry is down with the latino struggle as a faux minority who always takes our little brown brothers side in the open borders debate.

He wouldn't know an empanada from his mofongo.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2019 01:02 PM (Z+IKu)

He's Puerto Rican when he needs to be that, and he's Jewish when he needs to be that....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 01:13 PM (NFEMn)

260 A dear friend of mine is a toxicologist who exemplifies the problem. Mention any compound whatsoever and he says, "Ooooh, that one is bad." Of course, he also drives 35 mph on the freeway (scares the crap out of me as at the last second people realize he's barely moving and swerve around him), protects his ears when a plane passes overhead.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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I now have neighbors who are frightened to death by Roundup. When I try to explain 'exposure', and the higher danger associated with sundry stuff they have been around their entire lives, it falls on deaf ears.

Late-night bottom-feeder lawyers have more authority, in their eyes, than actual data, which I present.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 01:13 PM (4bd7D)

261 grammie winger!

Went out to eat last night, and saw that your Cubbies were playing the Cards.

I live smack dab in the middle of Cards country, and though I'm not a fan of them, I was a bit interested in the game do to the Cubs being your team and all.

So who won? We left before the game ended (end of the 4th).

Posted by: SMH at June 01, 2019 01:14 PM (RU4sa)

262
A family of four receives $700 a month.
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That's more than enough.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 01, 2019 01:14 PM (NFEMn)

263 do=due

Posted by: SMH at June 01, 2019 01:14 PM (RU4sa)

264 Asheville, NC? It used to be on our list of places to which we might flee, but has been struck off the list because we gathered that it was in the leftist death spiral.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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I get it, believe me.

We, on the other hand, are here for the duration. I'm too old to start somewhere else. Too many friends, and etc. here.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 01:15 PM (4bd7D)

265 I now have neighbors who are frightened to death by Roundup. When I try to explain 'exposure', and the higher danger associated with sundry stuff they have been around their entire lives, it falls on deaf ears.

Late-night bottom-feeder lawyers have more authority, in their eyes, than actual data, which I present.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 01:13 PM (4bd7D)

Infuriating, isn't it? We had a little tootsie testify against Roundup to the city council. Her qualifications? She at one point "worked in a lab."

Oh. OK. Sounds rock solid.

I look at the structure of Roundup - something she probably has never done, and probably wouldn't know doodly about anyway) and I don't see any of the usual characteristics of a carcinogen. Roundup hydrolyzes to glycine (one of the 20 amino acids in all proteins) and methylphosphonic acid, which is closely related the phosphates used as fertilizer.

But Roundup! RUN!!!!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 01:17 PM (KFtuK)

266
I think the #MeToo movement might have scared Jerry into re-evaluating his poltical leanings.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 01, 2019 01:18 PM (TAmPV)

267 I get it, believe me.

We, on the other hand, are here for the duration. I'm too old to start somewhere else. Too many friends, and etc. here.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2019 01:15 PM (4bd7D)

So it is Asheville, NC? I saw a video clip praising its "vibrant, robust street life" and I thought, "Uh oh. I know what that means."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 01:18 PM (KFtuK)

268 Entire states have banned straws because of one 8th grader's science project.

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 01:19 PM (lPsvG)

269 Since I saw grannie winger earlier on the thread, I've instructed all my kids to make sure Brandenburg No. 6 is played at my wake.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 01, 2019 01:19 PM (MIKMs)

270 My understanding is the office of special council was formed by congress. If so, it's not in the DOJ's perview.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 01:20 PM (Ofz3/)

271 268 Entire states have banned straws because of one 8th grader's science project.
Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 01, 2019 01:19 PM (lPsvG)

Madness, isn't it? One kid, who found one photo of a turtle with a straw in its nose (I did not know turtles snorted coke), and boom! Public policy is made.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 01:20 PM (KFtuK)

272 Geraldo was on the radio with I think Kilmead the other day and actually called the Coup a coup.

Which is unlike that feckless crapweasel's usual MO.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 01, 2019 01:21 PM (oVJmc)

273 We are cannibalizing each other like Nadler goes through pizzas.

Posted by: Californica Commie Dems at June 01, 2019 01:21 PM (EgshT)

274
There's a gardening thread up for those of you morons who do such things.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 01, 2019 01:03 PM (13CQC)

There was revolutionary talk here yesterday by some about hijacking todays gardening thread

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 01, 2019 01:22 PM (TAmPV)

275 Jay, have been meaning to ask about the Roundup idiocy. It's main virtue [or one of them] was precisely that it quickly degrades and becomes inert. And it's supposed to be a carcinogen? WTF?

Anyway, reminds me - ANOTHER thing to prudently stockpile before the idiots of CA ban it. [and another thing that stores in Yuma may be selling in large quantities to CA people soon, along with ammo]

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 01:24 PM (QDnY+)

276 Now I have to remember to pack straws in my travel kit?

Posted by: Burger Chef at June 01, 2019 01:25 PM (RuIsu)

277 There was revolutionary talk here yesterday by some about hijacking todays gardening thread

Oh that's mean. Those of us who aren't busy growing hydroponic pot can stay here and talk about badgers.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 01, 2019 01:26 PM (fuK7c)

278 That's it, isn't it? Whether it's the leaf or the pod or what's the best indoor lighting. You'd think they all live in CA, CO, or OR.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 01:28 PM (Ofz3/)

279 Why troll a gardening thread?

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2019 01:28 PM (BbGew)

280 There was revolutionary talk here yesterday by some about hijacking todays gardening thread
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Those of us underwater in the Midwest are dealing with veritable jungles. Remarkable.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 01, 2019 01:29 PM (MIKMs)

281 Braenyard, no. CFR6OO governs creation/conduct of "special counsels", which are created and supervised by the AG or in his stead the deputy AG [as in this case, until Barr's appointment]. Everything a special counsel does is subject to supervision. Hence the problem with the Mueller op - its formation did not conform with what is understood to be the basis for such an office [no underlying crimes, confirmed by results of Mueller's work], and its conduct [many issues] were in theory subject to supervision.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 01:30 PM (QDnY+)

282 Maybe the turtle got the idea of a snorkle to breath under water and was trying it out.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2019 01:31 PM (BbGew)

283 Since I saw grannie winger earlier on the thread, I've instructed all my kids to make sure Brandenburg No. 6 is played at my wake.

I'm going to arrange to have "pop goes the weasel" played, with a closed casket. Right up to the final line, then just wait...

Posted by: Hawkpilot at June 01, 2019 01:33 PM (Ga991)

284 Sessions authorized the Mueller special council?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 01:34 PM (Ofz3/)

285 >>Sessions authorized the Mueller special council?

Rod Rosenstein.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 01:36 PM (/tuJf)

286 Damnation, Bing says: Rosenstein

Rosenstein Secretly Authorized Mueller to Investigate Manafort -- After FBI Raided Manafort's Home. (CNSNews.com) - On May 17, 2017, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein wrote a brief memo appointing Robert Mueller as special counsel and authorizing him to investigate alleged Trump-Russia "links and/or coordination"

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 01:37 PM (Ofz3/)

287 Braenyard - Rosenstein created the office, after Jeff recused himself from all matters related to the [make-believe] topic. Rosie supervised - in theory - Mueller every step of the way.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 01:37 PM (QDnY+)

288 If people don't pay for this attempted coup it will come back twice as hard.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2019 01:39 PM (BbGew)

289 And it was a [obviously fraudulent] counter-intel "investigation" - not an appropriate subject for a special counsel, in any case. Just one of the fundamental problems here.

There's a reason Rudy said what he said today. Many have been saying it [including inside DOJ] since the day Mueller was appointed.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 01:40 PM (QDnY+)

290 Aw, neat. OT: just received this from mom & dad.

https://stoatnet.org/anthem.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 01, 2019 01:41 PM (t+qrx)

291 My gravestone epitaph will read "It was the best of times, it was the stoopidest of times".

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 01, 2019 01:42 PM (EgshT)

292 I'm going to arrange to have "pop goes the weasel" played, with a closed casket. Right up to the final line, then just wait...
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Heh. Be prepared to be cursed for all time for nightmares.

Uncle John died and kids made a short appearance at the wake -- just hustled through -- and nowhere near the casket. Later that year they were having fits about going to Uncle John and Aunt Jane's house for Christmas. They really figured that the dead uncle from the other side of the family was going to be there as a zombie.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 01, 2019 01:42 PM (MIKMs)

293 >>And it was a [obviously fraudulent] counter-intel "investigation" - not an appropriate subject for a special counsel, in any case. Just one of the fundamental problems here.

>>There's a reason Rudy said what he said today. Many have been saying it [including inside DOJ] since the day Mueller was appointed.

Who started the obstruction of justice investigation on Trump, the one Mueller took over?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 01:42 PM (/tuJf)

294 Barr says the word "spy" is a good English word and he will continue to use it.

I say a functional knowledge of the English language is a good thing; such as recognizing the difference between two similar words such as counsel and council.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 01:44 PM (Ofz3/)

295 Jay, have been meaning to ask about the Roundup idiocy. It's main virtue [or one of them] was precisely that it quickly degrades and becomes inert. And it's supposed to be a carcinogen? WTF?

Anyway, reminds me - ANOTHER thing to prudently stockpile before the idiots of CA ban it. [and another thing that stores in Yuma may be selling in large quantities to CA people soon, along with ammo]

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 01:24 PM (QDnY+)

You're exactly right. "Hydrolysis" means "a reaction with water." That's why Roundup is sold in such concentrated solutions that they're actually viscous: dilute solutions hydrolyze too quickly to be stored. Moreover, the hydrolysis products are harmless.

But owing to our appallingly bad science education, people presume that something that kills plants will kill people too. Never mind that plant physiologists spent decades studying, by happy chance ... plant physiology ... to find differences from mammalian physiology that could be exploited for use as herbicides.

And I too am considering stockpiling Roundup, for the same reason. It's only a matter of time until CA bans it.

Consider the ironic parallels. Ban effective public policy for dealing with vagrants, and you get a lot of vagrants. Ban an effective herbicide, and you get a lot of weeds.

I love metaphors.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 01:45 PM (KFtuK)

296
"Vagrancy" puts the onus back on the those who are responsible for the social pathology, and is a step toward addressing the problem. And by "addressing," I don't mean providing these clowns with $300,000 condos, as LA has been doing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 12:38 PM (KFtuK)
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as if you could find, or build, a condo in Lost Angels for $300K

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 01, 2019 01:49 PM (1KVV3)

297 do=due
Posted by: SMH at June 01, 2019 01:14 PM

Do be do be due

Posted by: zombie Frank Sinatra at June 01, 2019 02:00 PM (DMUuz)

298 as if you could find, or build, a condo in Lost Angels for $300K
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 01, 2019 01:49 PM (1KVV3)

But LA did just that. They built new accommodations for these clowns that came to $300,000 / unit. For which the vagrants pay ... nada.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 02:01 PM (KFtuK)

299 >>There's a reason Rudy said what he said today. Many have been saying it [including inside DOJ] since the day Mueller was appointed.

Who started the obstruction of justice investigation on Trump, the one Mueller took over?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 01:42 PM (/tuJf)

Wasn't Mueller head of the FBI when Obama, according to Maxine Waters:

" The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life. That's going to be very, very powerful. That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it's never been done before and whoever runs for President on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They're going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can't get around it. And he's [President Obama] been very smart. It's very powerful what he's leaving in place."

http://tinyurl.com/y22ujrn2

It appears Mueller has been running an op for the commies since 2012 or 13.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 02:02 PM (Ofz3/)

300 >>Wasn't Mueller head of the FBI when Obama, according to Maxine Waters:

He was for the first part and the Comey replaced him.

But what I was getting at is the crucial time period in May 2017 which helps explain why a special counsel was brought in. Mueller didn't start the obstruction of justice investigation of Trump, the very corrupt Andrew McCabe did.

And I agree about the long term corruption. I've been posting a link to the FISA abuse opinion authored by chief judge Rosemary Collyer and declassified by DNI Coats in April 2017. She states in the report that FISA abuse, illegal spying, was going on since 2012 at least.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 02:07 PM (/tuJf)

301 Ha, tuna fish song.

Posted by: DaveA at June 01, 2019 02:08 PM (FhXTo)

302
BEAKING NEWS:

Larry Hogan, the Republican governor of Maryland, said he will not challenge President Trump for the White House next year.

"I'm not going to be a candidate for president in 2020," he told the Washington Post.

This story is breaking and will be updated.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 01, 2019 02:11 PM (Xqo6t)

303 that alone she will die in prison. No need to see how many millennia of consecutive sentencing they can charge.

Print up the charge doc for each of the 30k emails and you could wall her in enough she couldn't climb out on a bollard.

Posted by: DaveA at June 01, 2019 02:13 PM (FhXTo)

304 Serial ADA troll in tax trouble?

There's a Mr. Schadenboner on line 1...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 01, 2019 02:14 PM (OF95o)

305 Larry Hogan, the Republican governor of Maryland, said he will not challenge President Trump for the White House next year.
"I'm not going to be a candidate for president in 2020," he told the Washington Post.
This story is breaking and will be updated.
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 01, 2019 02:11 PM (Xqo6t)

Also unrelated, Zombie Larry Hovis said he would not run for President in 2020.

"I'm dead, but I still would have had a better shot than Larry Hogan or Colonel Hogan" he was quoted as saying.

Or not.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2019 02:16 PM (Z+IKu)

306 178
There's an ADA lawsuit predator here in CO that's hit dozens and dozens
of businesses. IIRC, some judge finally put a stop to him somehow.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 12:36 PM (5aX2M)
Cease and desist from Smith Wesson?

Posted by: TheHoser at June 01, 2019 02:19 PM (IDjUx)

307 But Roundup! RUN!!!!

It's a conspiracy by the Dandelion People.

Sniveling causing bastards!!

Posted by: DaveA at June 01, 2019 02:24 PM (FhXTo)

308 DOJ supervises the FBI. Appointment of a special counsel is not an appropriate, lawful, or defensible management tool. Nor is it ever needed.

DOJ directs/squashes FBI activities every day of the week. CFR6OO is not something ever used for this routine activity.

Doesn't matter how corrupt McCabe was or wasn't. He's a subordinate. No special counsel needed to direct him. And the vast, ridiculous s**t-show that was the Mueller operation was nominally subject to supervision as well.

As I have long said, let's see all the scope memos [and first one, publicly known part, refers only to the counter-intel aspect that is not an appropriate subject for a special counsel]. And as Rudy said today, let's have complete review of the formation and conduct of the Mueller office.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 02:26 PM (QDnY+)

309 There was a comment on the EMT

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 01, 2019 02:27 PM (eAMlh)

310 There was a comment on the EMT about how unhappy the Obamas appear to be.
In connection with his communicable misery does he still golf, or was that just something he did to escape presidentin'?

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 01, 2019 02:30 PM (eAMlh)

311 The Red chickens have come home to roost.

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at June 01, 2019 02:31 PM (EgshT)

312 A quick survey of the coffee shop I'm in shows every woman here has a better ass than Brie Larson.
I'm doing the survey for the greater good.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 01, 2019 02:33 PM (eAMlh)

313 My grocery store overstocked beef for Memorial Day, and they were selling big, juicy ribeyes for $6 on Tuesday, so I have been eating steak for all meals for almost four days. Now, I'm out.

I'm talking myself down from walking over to the butcher and getting more, even fancier and less fiscally rational steaks.

I think it may actually be impossible to get tired of steak.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 02:34 PM (5aX2M)

314 A quick survey of the coffee shop I'm in shows every woman here has a better ass than Brie Larson. I'm doing the survey for the greater good.

That's a mighty low bar but by all means, proceed.

Posted by: The Assless Chaps Society at June 01, 2019 02:36 PM (EgshT)

315 I'm doing the survey for the greater good.
Posted by: Northern Lurker
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They also serve who sit and survey.

Posted by: Something said by Milton at June 01, 2019 02:40 PM (ZMWtN)

316
A quick survey of the coffee shop I'm in shows every woman here has a better ass than Brie Larson. I'm doing the survey for the greater good.

The display case has nicer buns than Brie Larson

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 01, 2019 02:40 PM (TAmPV)

317 >>Doesn't matter how corrupt McCabe was or wasn't. He's a subordinate. No special counsel needed to direct him. And the vast, ridiculous s**t-show that was the Mueller operation was nominally subject to supervision as well.

Yea it matters a whole lot.

You keep arguing the law while completely forgetting the politics. Impeachment is a political exercise not a legal one.

Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe testified to Congress on May 11, 2017 that nobody was interfering with his Russia collusion investigation which was opened officially in late July, 2016 but unofficially much earlier. This was 2 days after his BFF Comey was canned.

Yet just 5 days later he opened an obstruction of justice investigation on Trump and tried to recruit Rosenstein to help him. That's where the famous "What do you want to do, Andy, wire the president?" comment came from.

But instead of wiring he met with Trump and Mueller at the White House. The very next day Rosenstein appointed Mueller SC and took the investigation away from McCabe who was subsequently fired and is now being criminally investigated.

There is no chance whatsoever that Rosenstein could have just closed the investigation without Trump getting impeached. Most of the country was convinced at the time that Trump had colluded with Russia and the cries of coverup would have been deafening. Hell, half the Democrats want to impeach him now with ZERO evidence of any crimes. It just ignores the political reality to suggest that the investigations could have been closed with no consequences.

Besides, even Trump initially supported the investigations before he didn't.

"As far as I'm concerned I want the investigation to be done properly. When I did this, I said maybe I will confuse, maybe I'll lengthen the time but I have to do the right thing for the American People." - President Donald J Trump on 05/11/2017.Right before Mueller was appointed

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 02:41 PM (/tuJf)

318 Turley with a very good concise summary of the huge problems with Mueller's behavior and why public questioning is essential.

Graham committee staff - woo-hoo, over here. Need for hearings on special counsel is as obvious as the subject of the hearings, and the witness list.

And Turley doesn't even address the fundamental issue Rudy finally raised [and Andy McCarthy, to his credit, raised instantly when the office was created].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 02:41 PM (QDnY+)

319 Giuliani was on with Ingraham and said there is no way Huber should have "stood down" on such an important (potential) criminal charge involving a high priority item, waiting for the IG. Rudy thought Barr was just being polite/kind to say that was "normal".

I have no idea if Rudy is right, but also learned Rudy (helped?) set up the FISA court, and said diGenova was also involved.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 01, 2019 02:46 PM (Cus5s)

320 tablet sign in

Posted by: andycanuck at June 01, 2019 02:49 PM (Dh1wo)

321 database sign in

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at June 01, 2019 02:51 PM (EgshT)

322 WILLIAM BARR: Right, so Huber had originally been asked to take a look at the FISA applications and the electronic surveillance but then he stood back and put that on hold ... So he has not been active on this front in recent months and so Durham is taking over that role. ...

Posted by: Tami at June 01, 2019 12:07 PM (cF8AT)

I saw a clip. "stood back and put on hold" as if it was a synonym to "passing the buck".
And "so Durham is taking over that role", -**you're not doing your job I'll find someone who will**

That's my take. I think Grandpa Barr is a heavy hitter and expect his team players to be likewise.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 02:52 PM (Ofz3/)

323 Well it appears I've lost my long struggle with that damnable Italian butcher and his pretty daughters and their steaks.

But I did the NY strip. I'm cutting back on the ribeye for fear of gout.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 02:53 PM (5aX2M)

324 I'm forgetting nothing, Jack, I just don't think your characterization of the impeachment situation is accurate at all [Ryan was going to allow an impeachment inquiry? House committee was going to ask to do one? Huh?].

And absolutely yes DOJ could have shut down McCabe - it happens all the time [not a matter of law, a matter of basic, routine procedure and authorities].

Let's game out the alternative history. McCabe's ridiculous obstruction inquiry is shut down, after he is forced to defend it. Worst case: he screams to the press. Worst case: Hill committees call him up to have him argue his case. He has none - same reason he wouldn't have been able to defend it in the internal review.

Dems scream impeachment - for Trump exercising his basic constitutional power to dismiss an official universally/variously viewed as incompetent, insubordinate. Would have had the same resonance it has now - zip.

The fact that Dems/assorted nutcases are *still* screaming for impeachment reinforces my point, not your assertion, about the whole thing.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 02:57 PM (QDnY+)

325 >>That's my take. I think Grandpa Barr is a heavy hitter and expect his team players to be likewise.

You left off the second part of the quote where Barr says that Huber has also been working on the Uranium One sale and corruption at the Clinton Foundation and he hopes to bring that investigation "to fruition".

He's still working on some of the stuff he was appointed to do in 2017 and other stuff has been handed off.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 02:57 PM (/tuJf)

326 chinese proxy server sign in *hic*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!! at June 01, 2019 02:58 PM (EgshT)

327 Didn't Trump just recently tweet that Mueller came to his office to look for the job at FBI? And claimed that meant he had a conflict (because Trump said no) ... and was a bad pick.

When Trump said he wanted the investigation to continue, well he had to say that since he was firing Comey. If he fired Comey to stop the investigation, that would perhaps be real obstruction. He fired him for cause ... one cause (Barr said) was that Comey told Trump one thing (you are not under investigation) but refused to tell the public that, leaving the impression "Trump is under investigation".

Someone also suggested Comey also spread that story to others inside "look, Trump fired me to stop the investigation into him ... crying obstruction (fire) in a crowded DeepStateMob (theater).

But I see the JackStraw angle on that .. it just makes less sense to me. imo Comey and Mueller are both dirty ... both have been proving it repeatedly. (and Rosenstein and Huber and Wray have been slow walking or on stand down, at the least, till Barr took charge) imo

Posted by: illiniwek at June 01, 2019 03:01 PM (Cus5s)

328 Pet thread.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 01, 2019 03:01 PM (gC2IV)

329 I have no idea if Rudy is right, but also learned Rudy (helped?) set up the FISA court, and said diGenova was also involved.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 01, 2019 02:46 PM (Cus5s)

Hey, I saw that clip too and it was good.
It can be seen at Fox news clips or youtube fox news.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 03:03 PM (Ofz3/)

330 Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 02:41 PM (/tuJf)

Take all your commentary, some of the questions leading to the commentary and publish it in a book form.

Hell, I bet Ace would be your publisher.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 03:06 PM (Ofz3/)

331 >>I'm forgetting nothing, Jack, I just don't think your characterization of the impeachment situation is accurate at all [Ryan was going to allow an impeachment inquiry? House committee was going to ask to do one? Huh?].

For shutting down a criminal and obstruction investigation but obstructing the investigation? Yes.

>>And absolutely yes DOJ could have shut down McCabe - it happens all the time [not a matter of law, a matter of basic, routine procedure and authorities].

Of course he could. But if you are going to insist there would not have been repercussions for doing that when it's beyond obvious that a substantial amount of the country was jonesing for impeachment then you and I will never agree on this. And no I don't agree that your point is bolstered by lefties still screaming for impeachment. At all. Just the opposite. All they need is a reason which they never got.

Mueller did his investigation and all he proved in 2 years is that Trump didn't collude with Russia and didn't commit obstruction.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 03:09 PM (/tuJf)

332 I think it was also Giuliani that said the media was blockading this stuff ... said they are missing the story of the century ... so some such.

It really is ... lots of angles ... hopefully lots of long prison sentences, may a couple hangings, and I'd like to see a few military tribunals for those conspiring with Iran (a real supporter of terror, which we are on war footing against). But that is partly just me wondering wtf was up with Graham questioning Kavanaugh on military tribunals, for a few minutes. and Graham is now a key player, it would seem. one of them, at least.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 01, 2019 03:11 PM (Cus5s)

333 Oh - and the "conduct" part, per force, encompasses the supervision of the Mueller operation. Let's see those scope memos.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 01:03 PM (QDnY+)

Three day SC report was published the unredacted scope memos should have been attached as a preface, without which the entire report has no context.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 01, 2019 03:13 PM (1g7ch)

334 Yeah, I left out the Uranium part. Just trying to read Barr and it seemed he thought less of Hubert for letting it go.

The expectation of "bring to fruition" a subtle threat.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 03:13 PM (Ofz3/)

335 Anybody see this.
Paul Sperry Twitter

BREAKING: Carter Page reveals that he has been both an "FBI informant" and a "CIA informant" for more than a decade, which means that if he were in fact a "Russian agent" as alleged in the dossier-based FISA warrants, he's a double agent!

This seems big to me. Very big. Shows that the whole investigation was a sham. They wanted the FISA so they could spy on the rest of the campaign.

Posted by: WisRich at June 01, 2019 03:16 PM (OAlmw)

336 >>Yeah, I left out the Uranium part. Just trying to read Barr and it seemed he thought less of Hubert for letting it go.

>>The expectation of "bring to fruition" a subtle threat.

Maybe. I see it as more neutral.

Think how big each of the issues are, FISA abuse which dates back to 2012 at least, the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One. Those are each big investigations if there is something to them.

It could be as benign as a reallocation of the workload.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 03:19 PM (/tuJf)

337 335 Anybody see this.
Paul Sperry Twitter

BREAKING: Carter Page reveals that he has been both an "FBI informant" and a "CIA informant" for more than a decade, which means that if he were in fact a "Russian agent" as alleged in the dossier-based FISA warrants, he's a double agent!

This seems big to me. Very big. Shows that the whole investigation was a sham. They wanted the FISA so they could spy on the rest of the campaign.
Posted by: WisRich at June 01, 2019 03:16 PM (OAlmw)

Carter Page talked about this on Tucker a couple of weeks ago.

He was a longtime Informant for both the FBI and CIA, and yet was suddenly targeted.

Then, they outed him.

Then the Dems are so worried about sources, that they don't want to declassify the docs, showing that he was a Source, even though THEY outed him already.

Posted by: Don Q at June 01, 2019 03:20 PM (NgKpN)

338 Carter Page talked about this on Tucker a couple of weeks ago.

He was a longtime Informant for both the FBI and CIA, and yet was suddenly targeted.

Then, they outed him.

Then the Dems are so worried about sources, that they don't want to declassify the docs, showing that he was a Source, even though THEY outed him already.
Posted by: Don Q at June 01, 2019 03:20 PM (NgKpN)
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Thanks for the update.

Posted by: WisRich at June 01, 2019 03:25 PM (OAlmw)

339 >>This seems big to me. Very big. Shows that the whole investigation was a sham. They wanted the FISA so they could spy on the rest of the campaign.

It is big but it's also been mostly known for over a year. He was working as an undercover asset for the FBI as late as the Spring of 2016 and they took a warrant out on him in the Fall.

Somebody, like somebodies, at the FBI is screwed.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 03:25 PM (/tuJf)

340 If one enumerated all the players with a short synopsis each it would be pages.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 03:25 PM (Ofz3/)

341 Didn't Trump just recently tweet that Mueller came to his office to look for the job at FBI? And claimed that meant he had a conflict (because Trump said no) ... and was a bad pick.

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Yes.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2019 03:28 PM (5aX2M)

342 Saw a clip of Trump talking about Mueller vindictive about being fired and he also used the word "business", as in, we had bad business.

It seemed as if he was referencing two different events, (one actual retail business?) and him being fired.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 03:33 PM (Ofz3/)

343 Not sure I follow every bit of your last, Jack, but no, as my very telegraphic off-hand alternative scenario clearly illustrates, there was nowhere for McCabe to go with his obstruction idea. Putting it under public scrutiny would have ended it, in a humiliating fashion.

Dem leadership was trying to shush impeachment talk from way back [prior to mid-terms], for a reason. There was never any chance it would happen [many here back then would say it was inevitable/impending and I totally pooh-pooh'd it and guess what]. Not a chance Ryan/GOP House opens impeachment proceedings against a prez who fought his way into office *against their very establishment*, for exercise of his inherent power, against a figure regarded on all sides as an unfit nutcase.

Damage is done, but the objections to creation of the Mueller office are not hindsight, take full account of political realities at the time.

Giuliani's call - echoed implicitly by Turley's column, and reflecting the view of many inside the process who don't speak publicly - will probably be in vain, but it's very well founded.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 03:34 PM (QDnY+)

344 ...Putting it under public scrutiny would have ended it, in a humiliating fashion. ...

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 03:34 PM (QDnY+)
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There's the rub.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 03:37 PM (Ofz3/)

345 342 Saw a clip of Trump talking about Mueller vindictive about being fired and he also used the word "business", as in, we had bad business.

It seemed as if he was referencing two different events, (one actual retail business?) and him being fired.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 03:33 PM (Ofz3/)

IIRC, Mueller had put down a deposit on a golf club membership but then moved away, and was unhappy when he didn't get his deposit back.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 01, 2019 03:41 PM (VNsf1)

346 >>Dem leadership was trying to shush impeachment talk from way back [prior to mid-terms], for a reason. There was never any chance it would happen [many here back then would say it was inevitable/impending and I totally pooh-pooh'd it and guess what]. Not a chance Ryan/GOP House opens impeachment proceedings against a prez who fought his way into office *against their very establishment*, for exercise of his inherent power, against a figure regarded on all sides as an unfit nutcase.

Well we completely disagree. Ryan was never a Trump supporter, had urged him to drop out when the pussy tape hit. And the fact Trump hasn't been impeached doesn't seem to me to be proof that McCabe, a guy fired from the FBI for lying and leaking, wouldn't have found a way to make it happen. Ryan is as establishment as they come and as best I can tell the only thing he and Trump agreed on was tax cuts.

And you will never convince me that given the atmosphere in May of 2017 when Mike Flynn had just been canned for lying about speaking with Russians and the anti-Trump drumbeat was constant that shutting down investigations into Trump's colluding with Russia and then obstructing the investigation wouldn't have been called a coverup by the left and the media all day, everyday.

But we will never know. All we know is that they weren't shutdown and now they are done and there won't be an impeachment.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 03:42 PM (/tuJf)

347 342 Saw a clip of Trump talking about Mueller vindictive about being fired and he also used the word "business", as in, we had bad business.

It seemed as if he was referencing two different events, (one actual retail business?) and him being fired.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 03:33 PM (Ofz3/)
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He was. The business transaction I think was that Mueller wanted his dues or initiation fee refunded from one of Trumps clubs. I guess Trump said no.

Posted by: WisRich at June 01, 2019 03:43 PM (OAlmw)

348 No rub, Braenyard. McCabe, via his usual press allies, makes incendiary "obstruction!!!" charge for firing Comey. Grassley requests he come testify. He also asks Rosie to come up [different days] to discuss his long memo calling for dismissal of Comey.

Hmmm. One is a long detailed substantive rationale for dumping a guy everybody [for varying reasons] despised.

McCabe's "case" is .... what?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 03:45 PM (QDnY+)

349 Well Jack comment sections are imperfect means of detailed discussions.

Of course I am more than well aware of Ryan's antipathy to Trump and overall worthlessness. And also recognize that impeachment over nothing* was not remotely within his likely reactions. Reason I always pooh-pooh'd impeachment hysteria [from the Horde side].

*And nothing was what it would have been - see McCabe comment just above.

No investigations would have been shut down due to Comey's dismissal. And there were no publicly known "investigations" of "collusion" at that time - unless I'm forgetting something? [quite possible] Thought it was just the counter-intel operation - which was exposed as a result of things apart from the special counsel operation - again unless I'm mis-remembering.

There was a reason Trump, Sessions, and others at the WH were shocked by creation of a special counsel. They didn't think there was any impeachment likely.

And the ridiculous toxic media atmosphere pre-dated May '17, obviously continued - and worsened - beyond it.

Like I said, and Rudy said today, we need a thorough look at the creation and conduct of the Mueller operation.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 04:04 PM (QDnY+)

350 >>No investigations would have been shut down due to Comey's dismissal. And there were no publicly known "investigations" of "collusion" at that time - unless I'm forgetting something? [quite possible] Thought it was just the counter-intel operation - which was exposed as a result of things apart from the special counsel operation - again unless I'm mis-remembering.

Not only were they not shutdown, McCabe testified to Congress on May 11, 2017 that nobody was obstructing his counterintelligence investigation (which is the same thing as the collusion investigation) just days before he turned around and opened and obstruction investigation. So yes, the investigation was well known by then.

That's why Rosenstein knew he had to go but the investigations had to continue. So who was he supposed to appoint from the FBI to take over? McCabe was the acting director. How would Rosenstein have known who else was working with McCabe. Rumors were starting but who was doing what was very murky at that time.

Mueller was not a perfect choice but McCabe was flat out corrupt. Rosenstein had only been in the job for 3 weeks, he likely had very little idea who he could trust and he couldn't just take it from McCabe and give it to a junior FBI agent.

A lot of ups and downs and plot twists but at the end of the day Mueller completed the investigations and found no collusion and no obstruction. That was always the best outcome we could have asked for.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 04:15 PM (/tuJf)

351 I am positive every cry and argument from the Democrats is just rattling chains, they lie and cheat to try and get what they want.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2019 04:25 PM (BbGew)

352
Like I said, and Rudy said today, we need a thorough look at the creation and conduct of the Mueller operation.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2019 04:04 PM (QDnY+)

You ask "Why?" enough times then maybe the real truth can be found, but short version,

"Why the Russian coordination investigation / accusation?"
To cover up the previous crimes by the people who were really colluding with Russia, among other things.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 01, 2019 04:26 PM (1g7ch)

353 Rosenstein appears to me as an upper middle fellow who does his job, doesn't get involved in interoffice politics, and has a life.

Bamb, he's moved to a new job, three weeks he's promoted to a pay grade he never aspired to and suddenly he's boss in the middle of a top grade sh*tst*rm. He's not a white knight but he's not a crook.

He says, I don't have a life anymore.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2019 04:40 PM (qlqmy)

354 I'm still in the camp Rosenstein is in the thick of this.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2019 04:45 PM (BbGew)

355 "A lot of ups and downs and plot twists but at the end of the day Mueller
completed the investigations and found no collusion and no obstruction.
That was always the best outcome we could have asked for."

I can see not knowing if all the other FBI in line were in on it like McCabe ... but Rosie had oversight and instead said "wherever that may lead" and never reined in Mueller ... dawn raids of Trump people, destruction of evidence (Hilda emails?, Rudy mentioned yesterday how big a deal it is, why is no one talking about such blatant crimes?)

And they knew at least a few months before the 2018 election ... no collusion ... why did Rosie not demand getting that out to the public? Rosie gave no oversight ... imo Barr had to call him back to bear (second) witness to his DoJ decision (no obstruction) ... Barr had already sent a memo/letter to Rosie detailing why the code on obstruction did not apply, Rosie didn't care, let Mueller proceed.

"Stand Down" is a major tactic .. allows them to claim negligence or "mistakes were made", and keeps their kids from being kidnapped perhaps. (overstated, but they do prefer to be good little boys for DeepState)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 01, 2019 05:00 PM (Cus5s)

356 >>>I can see not knowing if all the other FBI in line were in on it like McCabe ... but Rosie had oversight and instead said "wherever that may lead" and never reined in Mueller ... dawn raids of Trump people, destruction of evidence (Hilda emails?, Rudy mentioned yesterday how big a deal it is, why is no one talking about such blatant crimes?)

We don't know if he reigned him in or not. We do know from his scope memo that he was specially authorized to go after Manafort. We are still waiting for the scope memos to be completely declassified.

>>And they knew at least a few months before the 2018 election ... no collusion ... why did Rosie not demand getting that out to the public? Rosie gave no oversight ... imo Barr had to call him back to bear (second) witness to his DoJ decision (no obstruction) ... Barr had already sent a memo/letter to Rosie detailing why the code on obstruction did not apply, Rosie didn't care, let Mueller proceed.

Frankly, I knew when Rosenstein made his announcement about the Russian troll farm indictments that there was no collusion with any US person and no votes were changed that there was no collusion. That was long before the midterms. And I doubt very much Mueller had much affect the 2018 midterms.

The party out of the White House almost always loses and as much as we like Trump the left hates him that much. Poll after poll showed that the Russia issue was way down the list of issues voters cared about.

Besides, the same people who thought Trump was guilty of something then still does. They don't care about fact or evidence, it's a religion for them.

When Rosenstein retired, his retirement ceremony was held in th Great Hall of the DOJ. It was never done before but the number of people who wanted to attend and the high regard he was held in justified using the big room. And sitting in the front room as a guest of honor was one Kellyanne Conway. Also attending were Trump's last 2 White House Counsels. Trump likes Rosenstein and has shown it over and over.

I doubt we've seen the last of him. He would be a key witness against McCabe and Comey at least.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)

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