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Amash does not offer specifics. Barr's letter summarizing Mueller's conclusion was entirely accurate. Barr said the report concluded there was no collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the RUSSIANS. Barr said that Mueller did not make a decision about whether the president committed obstruction of justice. How is that misleading? Why would Barr lie about the report and then release it? None of these things makes sense. But you know what does make sense? That Amash wants to run for president as a libertarian. One more thing, J-Am, where are your libertarian principles regarding illegal surveillance on American citizens? On Illegal FISA warrants, national security letters, human intelligence assets being placed around a political campaign by the unelected political bureaucracy? The jack-booted fedgov strong-arming people to plead to process crimes? U cool with that bro, because TRUMP?
Princeton could use a man like Jim Lower. Never trust anyone whose method of defining himself, and of showing off his virtue, is by negative comparison to you. That's what libertarians are, that's what the liberal NeverTrumpers are. People often define themselves by that which they are not. But it's not good to make a political alliance with those who specifically signal that they are good and wise because they are not Deplorable You. Never trust them, never rely on them, because the very heart of their ego and self-regard is spurning you and despising you. Comments(Jump to bottom of comments)1
Loser big L
Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2019 12:10 PM (O2RFr) 2
As a Libertarian I ask, What are Republicans?
Posted by: nip at May 20, 2019 12:11 PM (DfGpI) 3
Rtc
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at May 20, 2019 12:11 PM (HC/+T) 4
What a fucking cocksucker.
Posted by: thathalfrican - dat dude at May 20, 2019 12:11 PM (BLzn1) 5
Read his Twitter rant over the weekend. Still waiting on Amash's details about the lies, crimes, and offenses.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:12 PM (9hauA) 6
LOLbertarians strike again.
Posted by: thathalfrican - dat dude at May 20, 2019 12:12 PM (BLzn1) 7
Top 10 bisch!
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (tH5fk) 8
Amash is done, if he runs he'll lose the primary.
Posted by: HA at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (MAstk) 9
Just vomiting up emotional crap with no substance.
I'm surprised he didn't say, "I'm literally shaking! " Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (9hauA) 10
Mittfuck Fuckmney called Ahmass's comments "courageous"
Even though he stopped short of saying there was grounds for impeachment, how the fuck hell is this courageous? Amass will now be taint linked 24/7 by the democrats and the media. That's courageous? What a stupid mewling fuckhead of a diseased twat waffle. Thanks again Utah, you stupid fuckheaded fucks. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (+dsLj) 11
Every so-called Libertarian I ever met was a fraud. They were so inconsistent in their arguments, it was pathetic.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (VpIIl) 12
So, what exactly was the impeachable conduct? Not cooperating withe the phone investigation enthusiastically enough?
This a-hole will be sent to the camps in the second wave of arrests, then he will get justice. Posted by: Ripley at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (MxEKc) 13
somebody needed some attentionnnnnnn!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (Rarvo) Posted by: HA at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (MAstk) 15
impeachment investigation resolution
Spot the weasel words. Just for comparison's sake, note that reparations have to be "studied" before actually legislating. These people have all the intellectual and political courage of a terminally ill slug. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (Boy/L) 16
lol get fucked Amash.
You blew up any bridges you had with me, just like Hitler-Daenerys did with Jonny Snow the other night. lol Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (ufFY8) 17
If you meet a libertarian, beat him. He will know why.
Also, join the Ace of Spades Moron Horde Gab group. 3,000 characters allowed per post, and conservatives do not get censored: https://tinyurl.com/ybxah6js Posted by: Monty James at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (a2tKe) 18
WhoTF is Amash, and why should we care?
Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (10vz8) 19
Yeah, I'm China's bitch!
Posted by: J. Amash at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (vg8iE) 20
Amash is a "not-so-secretly-a-Lefty" style of Libertarian
Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (Rarvo) 21
Well fuck me running. Can't believe I did that...
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (NWiLs) 22
Pelstinians like to throw bombs.
Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (488xF) 23
Alternate Headline: Justin Amash auditions for his own MSLSD show and Cuckshed brand.
Posted by: ShainS -- Adversity Score = -1600 (full Self-Reliance penalty) at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (Kag2G) 24
So, what exactly was the impeachable conduct? Not cooperating withe the phone investigation enthusiastically enough?
Open-ended, non-specific bullshit. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (Boy/L) 25
Power politics and Justin is impotent
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:14 PM (bcbK8) 26
Amash is a self-serving, attention-whoring twat.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (NWiLs) Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (488xF) Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (Rarvo) 29
11 Every so-called Libertarian I ever met was a fraud. They were so inconsistent in their arguments, it was pathetic.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (VpIIl) Hitting a bong will do that to your arguments. Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (10vz8) 30
The Democrats and the left keep on trying to steamroll the American people into submission to their insane policies and beliefs.
But the most urgent thing is OrangeManBad. Spare me. Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (9hauA) Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (tH5fk) 32
Palestinian Power, woot woot!
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (W+vEI) 33
Here are my principal conclusions:
1. Justin Amash likes to take it up the pooper 2. Justin Amash has engaged in Purgeable offenses 3. Partisanship does NOT mean 'whatever is opposed to Democrats' 4. Justin ALSO has not read the full report. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:16 PM (bcbK8) 34
Not satisfied with ushering in 1984, Michigan Republican decides to go Kafka.
Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 12:16 PM (488xF) 35
They were so inconsistent in their arguments, it was pathetic.
************ I have a friend who is libertarian minded but supports Trump. Still, every time he tries to argue a political point from a libertarian point of view, he sounds like a retard. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at May 20, 2019 12:16 PM (+dsLj) 36
@BenKTallmage has the details on AMash's business in/with China.
He's protecting his financial interest is bashing Trump. Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2019 12:17 PM (W+vEI) 37
Lol, get fucked.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: LOL, get fucked at May 20, 2019 12:17 PM (Gms0Y) 38
I work with a libertarian. He is Trump all the way.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 20, 2019 12:17 PM (lTZLC) 39
But the most urgent thing is OrangeManBad.
But here's the thing, Chique--if Trump were such a DANGERTOOURDEMOCRACY, shouldn't they be actually introducing articles of impeachment? It's almost as if they don't believe their own bullshit. Insert Green New Deal stupidity here. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:17 PM (Boy/L) 40
We have reached point where Nancy Pelosi is the calm voice of reason.
Posted by: Ripley at May 20, 2019 12:17 PM (MxEKc) 41
2 As a Libertarian I ask, What are Republicans?
Posted by: nip at May 20, 2019 12:11 PM (DfGpI) Republicans are people who believe the Federal Republic system created by our Founders to be the best instrument ever crafted for securing the blessings of liberty. It's all in the name. Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at May 20, 2019 12:18 PM (J+mig) 42
>>We have reached point where Nancy Pelosi is the calm voice of reason.
I think most of that is Woodrow Wilson's Dentures. Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 12:18 PM (488xF) 43
I thought Tali-baba's office was in Gaza, Rubbleland. Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2019 12:18 PM (pNxlR) 44
let's not speak of it Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (Rarvo) I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Sentient fungus nipping at my ankles. Bioluminescent tentacles trying to slither up my pants leg. Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:18 PM (NWiLs) 45
Justin Amash can't stand being in the minority apparently.
Watch him 'retire' and go to work for some Dem-friendly law firm. Posted by: JEM at May 20, 2019 12:18 PM (8erNz) Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at May 20, 2019 12:18 PM (olqTN) 47
The Libertarian Party is a joke party.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (b7IdW) 48
I wish we could find Rashida Tllib in "Leavenworth" not "Longworth".
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (ahS0B) 49
I'm in favor of a lot of Libertarian principles, actually.
I want to be left alone. I want other people to be left alone. I want a small government in every area except national defense. But as a practical measure, Libertarians can't pour water out of a boot if instructions are printed on the sole. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (bcbK8) 50
Here's the thread: the whole Amash family - dad, brothers, are in business with China.
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/ 1130412370424057856 Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (W+vEI) 51
>>I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Sentient fungus nipping at my ankles. Bioluminescent tentacles trying to slither up my pants leg.
Oh, man. I am sorry. If you've seen the Fungus you have already breathed in the spores. Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (488xF) 52
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Sentient fungus nipping at my ankles. Bioluminescent tentacles trying to slither up my pants leg.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:18 PM (NWiLs) That sounds like a pretty typical trip to Japan. Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at May 20, 2019 12:20 PM (J+mig) 53
Oh, man. I am sorry.
If you've seen the Fungus you have already breathed in the spores. Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (488xF) Mycological infections are a bitch. Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:20 PM (NWiLs) 54
Mitt Romney is a profile in courage. In his mind. He is the type of person to declare doing something that everyone else is doing as courageous.
What would be courageous is a Dem bucking his/her own party, because they have those folks on lock down. Republican smearing his own party. Been there, done that, boring. Now if say Ted Cruz said something similar (in whatever parallel universe), I would at least be more willing to look into his issues. But then again, Cruz would actually have provided details. Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:20 PM (9hauA) 55
As a rule, libertarian candidates for local office tend to be...underwhelming.
Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:20 PM (Bdeb0) 56
But here's the thing, Chique--if Trump were such a DANGERTOOURDEMOCRACY, shouldn't they be actually introducing articles of impeachment? It's almost as if they don't believe their own bullshit. Insert Green New Deal stupidity here.
If Trump were what the Tlaibs of the Uniparty claim him to be, they and their Hawaii-judgebots would all be in pens in Guantanamo. Posted by: JEM at May 20, 2019 12:20 PM (8erNz) 57
50 Here's the thread: the whole Amash family - dad, brothers, are in business with China.
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/ 1130412370424057856 Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (W+vEI) i hope the tariffs crush them Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 20, 2019 12:20 PM (0O7c5) Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Bwaana returns at May 20, 2019 12:20 PM (Z216Q) 59
Can we deport this turd back to that hotbed of libertarianism, the Gaza Strip?
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2019 12:20 PM (y7DUB) 60
I mean, really. Any party than runs Gary Johnson/William Weld in the 2016 election cannot be taken seriously.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at May 20, 2019 12:21 PM (b7IdW) 61
And Reason comes out with an article defending him and Nick the Fonz goes so far as saying after this they need to have Justin head the Libertarian ticket.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 20, 2019 12:21 PM (4thlk) Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at May 20, 2019 12:21 PM (488xF) 63
55 As a rule, libertarian candidates for local office tend to be...underwhelming.
Baked-underwhelming, or plaid-sport-coat underwhelming? Posted by: JEM at May 20, 2019 12:21 PM (8erNz) 64
But as a practical measure, Libertarians can't pour water out of a boot if instructions are printed on the sole.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (bcbK Plus their party people seem to be both silly and smug. Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:21 PM (9hauA) 65
Oddly, this will only hurt the Democrat party. Party leadership has foreclosed impeachment, basing the decision, in part, on the lack of " bi-partisanship". This will only encourage the leftists to push harder. Pelosi knows that impeachment is a political loser, and will have to fight them back again.
Posted by: Revenant at May 20, 2019 12:21 PM (NUNXH) 66
i'm a libertarian = wake and bake
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (0O7c5) 67
61 And Reason comes out with an article defending him and Nick the Fonz goes so far as saying after this they need to have Justin head the Libertarian ticket.
Reason: too baked to change the clock batteries because right twice a day is good enough. Posted by: JEM at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (8erNz) 68
See ya, Justin. Don't take any wooden nickles.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Memorial Day Special! AoS Brand Cuck Flensing Knives 50% off at The Outrage Outlet! at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (hLRSq) 69
Ahhhhh, Amash is a libertarian. Didn't know that. There was a time when I called myself a libertarian. Then I decided that I wanted to win elections rather than shunting them to leftists. Then libertarians went away from personal responsibility and small government and toward being nearly indistinguishable from the left and I never looked back.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (RD7QR) 70
FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (Zz0t1) 71
Xiexie Justin!
Posted by: Xi Jingping at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (TqmRu) 72
Hey Amish, if you're so certain that Barr misrepresented the Mueller report, how come Mueller hasn't testified yet to set the record straight?
Posted by: WisRich at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (G0vdT) 73
58 Jesse Kelly with the perfect reaction.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yywowmn3 Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Bwaana returns at May 20, 2019 12:20 PM (Z216Q) So Amash is just angling for a media gig once he leaves office? Sounds about right. Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (b7IdW) 74
How's that Weld 2020 steamroller going, by the way?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (Boy/L) 75
These are my principles. And if you don't like them, well, I have others.
Posted by: Justin Amash at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (1sNHT) 76
"Republicans are people who believe the Federal Republic system created by our Founders to be the best instrument ever crafted for securing the blessings of liberty."
Can I have some of what you are smoking...Please. (Rim shot) Posted by: nip at May 20, 2019 12:23 PM (DfGpI) 77
If Trump were what the Tlaibs of the Uniparty claim him to be, they and their Hawaii-judgebots would all be in pens in Guantanamo. ====== Nah, they'd be smoke going up the chimney. Posted by: Vlad the implaer, whittling away like mad at May 20, 2019 12:23 PM (QfYJy) 78
What "high crime or misdemeanor" has Trump committed?
Seriously. I'm curious. You fucks keep running on this. It will REALLY work out well for Americans who like prosperity and a powerful America. Posted by: Sponge at May 20, 2019 12:23 PM (Zz0t1) 79
These days, 'anti-Trump Republican talking head' is a buyer's market.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at May 20, 2019 12:23 PM (b7IdW) 80
(over-the-fence weekend conversation)
"Hey, Bob." "Howdy." "Election tomorrow, huh?" "Yep. I'm voting for Joe. He's the libertarian candidate." "Huh." "Yeah!" "Huh......well, guess I'd better get back to it." Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:23 PM (Bdeb0) Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at May 20, 2019 12:23 PM (olqTN) 82
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Sentient fungus nipping at my ankles. Bioluminescent tentacles trying to slither up my pants leg.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:18 PM (NWiLs) Wrong door...that the HQ's men's room. Barrel is 2nd door on your right. Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2019 12:23 PM (cF8AT) 83
32 Palestinian Power, woot woot!
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (W+vEI) Surprise surprise, Justin Amash is one of those odd Palestinian "Christians" who likes to get whipped by the Muslims. See also Said, Edward Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 20, 2019 12:24 PM (ujg0T) 84
Read his Twitter rant over the weekend. Still waiting on Amash's details about the lies, crimes, and offenses.
Why? When reckless blood libel is perfectly acceptable. We are a sick, depraved nation when we elevate pathological liars and men of no character. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if this country were to adopt elements of the Mosaic law, particularly the part where false accusers would receive upon themselves the punishment they sought to have imposed on their enemies. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:24 PM (o/v81) 85
78 What "high crime or misdemeanor" has Trump committed?
Seriously. I'm curious. You fucks keep running on this. It will REALLY work out well for Americans who like prosperity and a powerful America. Posted by: Sponge at May 20, 2019 12:23 PM (Zz0t1) He conspired to steal the election from Hillary, obviously. He conspired with...us: the voters in a majority of the states. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:24 PM (bcbK8) 86
74 How's that Weld 2020 steamroller going, by the way? Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:22 PM (Boy/L) Zombie Rachel Corrie is standing athwart its path and yelling "STOP!" Yeah, that steamy ... Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2019 12:24 PM (pNxlR) 87
The Libertarian Party is a joke party.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (b7IdW) But but but......POT!!!!!! Posted by: Sponge at May 20, 2019 12:24 PM (Zz0t1) 88
I'm certain others have said this more intelligently but I would think libertarians would be opposed to the deep state.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at May 20, 2019 12:24 PM (JgA4k) 89
But here's the thing, Chique--if Trump were such a DANGERTOOURDEMOCRACY, shouldn't they be actually introducing articles of impeachment? It's almost as if they don't believe their own bullshit. Insert Green New Deal stupidity here.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:17 PM (Boy/L) Plus Trump must be the worst tyrant Hitler EVER, what with all the people falling all over themselves to insult him and even call for violence against him with no fear of reprisal. Yeah, it takes real courage. Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:24 PM (9hauA) 90
And Congresswoman Tlaib, the House already has an impeachment investigation committee. It's the Judiciary.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:25 PM (Boy/L) 91
64 But as a practical measure, Libertarians can't pour water out of a boot if instructions are printed on the sole.
Water? The fluid involved in the way I heard that line is, ahem, water-based. I have to admit I laughed for about half an hour the first time I heard it. Oh, and the instructions are on the heel, not more generally the sole, so it's perhaps too much to expect a Libertarian to find them anyway. Posted by: JEM at May 20, 2019 12:25 PM (8erNz) 92
59: Sadly the turd was born here, the Pali dad got here in the 1950s, I believe.
Posted by: CN at May 20, 2019 12:25 PM (U7k5w) 93
Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances. With Democrat total control there is no partisanship. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2019 12:25 PM (aKsyK) 94
"Libertarians" were invented by Leftists to become a cancer to the Republican party.
Most I know are just garden variety rebels who will take any position as long as it is edgy and controversial. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:26 PM (o/v81) 95
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Just vomiting up emotional crap with no substance. I'm surprised he didn't say, "I'm literally shaking! " Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (9hauA) +++ LOL. Posted by: washrivergal at May 20, 2019 12:26 PM (EjlXc) 96
8 Amash is done, if he runs he'll lose the primary.
Posted by: HA at May 20, 2019 12:13 PM (MAstk) Yep. The China stuff will sink him. Posted by: clutch at May 20, 2019 12:26 PM (hKNN0) 97
64 But as a practical measure, Libertarians can't pour water out of a boot if instructions are printed on the sole.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:19 PM (bcbK Plus their party people seem to be both silly and smug. Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:21 PM (9hauA) Exactly! Silly and smug. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:26 PM (bcbK8) 98
Send in James Taylor to serenade Amash and Tlaib with a rendition of "You've got a Traitorous Friend."
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2019 12:26 PM (NpoKk) 99
Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if this country were to adopt elements of the Mosaic law, particularly the part where false accusers would receive upon themselves the punishment they sought to have imposed on their enemies.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:24 PM (o/v81) I had no idea such a concept existed in Mosaic law. I've been advocating something similar for years - that if you bring false charges against someone, you should be sentenced to what they would have been sentenced to, if convicted. Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at May 20, 2019 12:26 PM (J+mig) 100
J Am will run on Open Borders, end the Fed, end entitlements, repeal Obamacare, and every other libertarian fantasy. They are all noble things to work for, but they won't happen in a single election cycle. Their philosophy is "Give me all of this or go fuck yourself" Progressives didn't say "Give us full communism now" they were patient and learned how to rephrase what they wanted in socially acceptable ways, and abide by any baby step they could take.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 20, 2019 12:26 PM (dNzKv) Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (b7IdW) 102
If PDT were the dictator the progtards claim, they couldn't be making those claims for very long.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (NWiLs) 103
Michigan has given us Gerald Ford, Mitt Romney, Michael Moore, and Justine Amish. I say it's time to cut Michigan loose. Let Canada have it,
Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (5fSr7) 104
If Trump were what the Tlaibs of the Uniparty claim him to be, they and their Hawaii-judgebots would all be in pens in Guantanamo.
Posted by: JEM Or in ovens. Posted by: rickb223 at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (KB6If) 105
63 55 As a rule, libertarian candidates for local office tend to be...underwhelming.
Baked-underwhelming, or plaid-sport-coat underwhelming? Posted by: JEM at May 20, 2019 12:21 PM (8erNz) Has to be one or the other. With both plaid and a buzz they would spend hours just staring at the plaid and saying "whoa" and even Californians won't go for that. Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (RD7QR) 106
What an asshole. Yeah, he needs to be primaried and voted out ASAP.
We need to #PurgeProgressivism in 2020. This crap has gone on long enough. If we're ever going to right the ship of state here, that will be our opportunity. Just think what that would do if a whole gaggle of these assholes in Congress got replaced with people who support PDT and MAGA. Fuck you. War. Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (HaL55) 107
Corgis alerted
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (BqBId) 108
Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances.
No, its contempt for the normal rules of civil and social decency. When one or more groups decide that respect, honesty, integrity and honor are things to be mocked and ridiculed, then that is the death of a cooperative society. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (o/v81) 109
Progressives didn't say "Give us full communism now" they were patient and learned how to rephrase what they wanted in socially acceptable ways, and abide by any baby step they could take.
Until now. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (Boy/L) 110
I can't verify this, but apparently Amash has business holdings in China that will be impacted by Trump's hard-line stance against tha predatory business practices of the Chinese.
He should recuse himself immediately, or face censure by Congress! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (wYseH) 111
Libertarian in my office where I work seems anti Christian to me. How dare those Christians say anything about morality when they themselves are not perfect. He is a self proclaimed atheist, who grew up in a Protestant church. He will not eat at Chi-Fil-A because he has his principles. Posted by: Glenn John at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (LilNs) 112
I used to occasionally read a libertarian website that, IIRC, was British. Their slogan was something like "the state is the enemy."
Can't remember the name of the site. Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at May 20, 2019 12:28 PM (JgA4k) 113
BREAKING: ***Joe Biden endorses Daenarys Targaryen for Queen. "Because of her evolution in office, Daenarys is my kind of girl. She's a winner and a uniter, just like me! I would love to smell her hair!"***
Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Bwaana returns at May 20, 2019 12:28 PM (Z216Q) 114
Remember, "right-wing" political speech is deemed "violent", but throwing milkshakes (and other things) at right-wing pols is just speech and perfectly fine.
https://tinyurl.com/y3lmznzw This is actually a bigger deal because Burger King UK seemed to initially wink their eyes at it on social media, at least until the lawyers got on the phone. https://tinyurl.com/y59zmxlu Posted by: The Institute at May 20, 2019 12:28 PM (nGsFZ) Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:28 PM (o/v81) 116
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"Libertarians" were invented by Leftists to become a cancer to the Republican party. Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at May 20, 2019 12:23 PM (olqTN) That reminds me, need to give the Green Party more money. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:28 PM (bcbK8) 117
J Am will run on Open Borders, end the Fed, end entitlements, repeal Obamacare, and every other libertarian fantasy.
IOW, Hey FSA! GFY! Winning combination there. Posted by: rickb223 at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (KB6If) 118
I suspect this Amash dude or Romney will run as independent in the general election--with the specific purpose of denying Trump re-election.
Posted by: Mike at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (WWn8/) 119
Amash doesn't have a chance of winning, but he will spend a year attacking trump and siphon 3-4%. Then there will be Kasich sapping another 3-4%. And they will both be happy with Biden in the end because "I told you so".
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (dNzKv) 120
110 I can't verify this, but apparently Amash has business holdings in China that will be impacted by Trump's hard-line stance against tha predatory business practices of the Chinese.
He should recuse himself immediately, or face censure by Congress! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (wYseH) Censure him anyway, if by censure you mean beat with a gutta-percha cane on the floor of the House by the Sgt at Arms. Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs) 121
Tlaib looks like Helen Thomas - especially in the mouth area.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (vg8iE) 122
92 59: Sadly the turd was born here, the Pali dad got here in the 1950s, I believe.
As with Omar, she came over at age 5. Her - if I say 'savage' I'm rayciss, right? - mindset wasn't set in some other - if I say 'shithole' I'm rayciss, right? - it was developed here. Posted by: JEM at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (8erNz) 123
Libertarians are for the most part Liberals who disagree with Gubment Policy on Drugs or one issue or another & they convince themselves they are "Libertarian" Bill Maher is a Perfect Example
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (BqBId) Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (aKsyK) 125
Not all libertarians are inconsistent. I think Tom Woods is very consistent. But he could be an exception to the rule.
Posted by: Augustine at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (BDZWU) 126
36 @BenKTallmage has the details on AMash's business in/with China.
He's protecting his financial interest is bashing Trump. Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2019 12:17 PM (W+vEI) _____ Jeebus, is every critter of influence in The Swamp -- aside from PDT and maybe the Freedom Caucus -- an anti-American traitor andsellouttyo foreign interests? /rhetorical Posted by: ShainS -- Adversity Score = -1600 (full Self-Reliance penalty) at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (Ty6Zr) 127
113 BREAKING: ***Joe Biden endorses Daenarys Targaryen for Queen. "Because of her evolution in office, Daenarys is my kind of girl. She's a winner and a uniter, just like me! I would love to smell her hair!"***
Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Bwaana returns at May 20, 2019 12:28 PM (Z216Q) Smells like burnt innocents and psychosis. Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs) Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (488xF) 129
>>I can't verify this, but apparently Amash has business holdings in China that will be impacted by Trump's hard-line stance against tha predatory business practices of the Chinese.
It's verified here: https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (W+vEI) 130
He should recuse himself immediately, or face censure by Congress! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (wYseH) LOL! It's cute you actually think this would happen. Posted by: Sponge at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (Zz0t1) 131
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Libertarian in my office where I work seems anti Christian to me. How dare those Christians say anything about morality when they themselves are not perfect. He is a self proclaimed atheist, who grew up in a Protestant church. He will not eat at Chi-Fil-A because he has his principles. Posted by: Glenn John at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (LilNs) There is a LOT of hostility towards religion in the Libertarian world. A lot of 'no gods or king, only man' types in there. See also Ayn Randians. It was one of problems with them. I'm a bad Christian but I'm pro-Christian. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (bcbK8) 132
I suspect this Amash dude or Romney will run as independent in the general election--with the specific purpose of denying Trump re-election.
It won't work. If the economy were bad, maybe. But you can't make a dent in an incumbent running with Trump's in-party approval numbers. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (Boy/L) 133
Libertarian in my office where I work seems anti Christian
to me. Their fundamental flaw is the belief that man is inherently good. Orthodox Christianity declares that the natural man is fallen and totally depraved. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (o/v81) 134
WhoTF is Amash, and why should we care?
-- Welcome to the veneer of bipartisanship on the call for impeachment. Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (JoUsr) 135
State Rep. Jim Lower (R) said he would challenge Amash in the Republican primary for his western Michigan seat rather than seek a third term in the state legislature.
That extra cash you didn't know what to do with? There you go. Posted by: Braenyard at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (5TmO/) 136
Until now.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (Boy/L) The old KGB minders that ran the show were brilliant. Now the zealous Useful Idiots they've created are running the show, and they're too blinded by their ideology to realize they're driving the ship aground. Thank God the USSR failed when it did. We might not be this close to sinking these bastards if they were still in control of the American socialists. Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at May 20, 2019 12:31 PM (J+mig) 137
Libertarian in my office where I work seems anti Christian to me. How dare those Christians say anything about morality when they themselves are not perfect. He is a self proclaimed atheist, who grew up in a Protestant church.
He will not eat at Chi-Fil-A because he has his principles. Posted by: Glenn John I'd be bringing CfA back to the office for lunch every day! Posted by: rickb223 at May 20, 2019 12:31 PM (KB6If) 138
128 You get your steak, Ace?
or, are you still Fasting?? Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (488xF) +1 What, if anything, did you put on it? Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:31 PM (bcbK8) Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2019 12:31 PM (VzbI8) 140
Until now.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:27 PM (Boy/L) Strike while the iron is hot. They have spent generations indoctrinating for this moment. Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 20, 2019 12:31 PM (dNzKv) Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 20, 2019 12:31 PM (BqBId) Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 12:32 PM (488xF) 143
I am a compassionate libertarian.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 20, 2019 12:32 PM (dNzKv) 144
If indeed Justin Amash' family in heavily involved in Chinese trade I hope this get bruited about even more, because that would be a really appealing as well as a damning reason for them to want to impeach Trump.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2019 12:32 PM (ahS0B) 145
I can't verify this, but apparently Amash has business holdings in China that will be impacted by Trump's hard-line stance against tha predatory business practices of the Chinese.
So Amash favors laws and policies that are deliberately harmful to America but beneficial to our opponents. There is a word for that... Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:32 PM (o/v81) 146
read that guy a couple of days ago, seems to not have anything factual to state to back up his b.s
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:32 PM (r/xAU) 147
#nevertrustalibertarian
Posted by: Quilp at May 20, 2019 12:32 PM (Bf3hj) 148
141 http://bit.ly/2Eky98B
******** Giuliani: I'd Like to Put Schiff 'Under Oath' | Breitbart Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 20, 2019 12:31 PM (BqBId) I'd like to put him under a brazen bull. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:32 PM (bcbK8) 149
139 WhoTF is Amash, and why should we care?"
The Monster Mash? Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2019 12:31 PM (VzbI ------- The media's latest cats paw. Posted by: WisRich at May 20, 2019 12:32 PM (G0vdT) Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 20, 2019 12:33 PM (1ISKN) 151
Libertarians are usually off the rails by the third paragraph.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 20, 2019 12:33 PM (5TmO/) 152
State Rep. Jim Lower (R) said he would challenge Amash in the Republican primary for his western Michigan seat rather than seek a third term in the state legislature. I grew up in the district and went to high school with some Lowers. (Pronounced like Matt Lauer). Good folk, for the most part. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:33 PM (O7MnT) 153
Fenelon, I always suspect Mitt to be on the same train because of his china interests.
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:33 PM (r/xAU) 154
Ahoy!
Justin is a true principal conservative libertarian, much like Billy K, Steve, and me! Nick "the Fonz" and I, will do all we can to remove the orange man from our people's house! Now back to the couch, because in reality I am a lazy f... Where are my dogs? Ahoy! Posted by: Cap'n Joney Goldberg at May 20, 2019 12:33 PM (2nW6u) 155
So Amash favors laws and policies that are deliberately harmful to America but beneficial to our opponents.
There is a word for that..." "mademoneyunderObamaadministration"? A bit run on, but hey... Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2019 12:33 PM (VzbI8) 156
The definition of libertarian sure has changed in the last 20 years or so.
Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2019 12:33 PM (xjiRE) 157
Libertarianism sounds nice when you're young. It's a natural outgrowth of youthful anti-authority positions, and the central tenets are easy enough to grasp. But it really doesn't work as a coherent political platform - ask 100 libertarians how much state intervention should exist and you get 100 different answers, or just everyone says "well we obviosly need an entity to enforce contracts."
Live and let live is nice when it's reciprocated. But the left in this country has no desire to let anybody live as they please. Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at May 20, 2019 12:33 PM (oZ6kz) 158
The Silly Smug Party you say?
Posted by: F'tang F'tang Biscuit Barrel at May 20, 2019 12:34 PM (tH5fk) 159
Someone needs to amash their foot in his ass.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 20, 2019 12:34 PM (1ISKN) 160
So, now I want to know if Amash has read the report that he is criticizing others for not having read.
Posted by: Emmie at May 20, 2019 12:34 PM (4HMW8) 161
Amash has nothing just like the Democrats.
All about the feelings but never specific reasons for impeachment. Full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2019 12:34 PM (NpoKk) 162
The nub of this thing is that impeachment would be a huge loser for Democrats. And this just eggs them on.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:34 PM (O7MnT) 163
>> If indeed Justin Amash' family in heavily involved in Chinese trade I hope this get bruited about even more, because that would be a really appealing as well as a damning reason for them to want to impeach Trump.
He's part(?) owner of a Chinese business that makes tools that are imported by his father's import business and then sold by his brother's Michigan business as "American made tools." Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2019 12:35 PM (W+vEI) 164
139 WhoTF is Amash, and why should we care?"
The Monster Mash? Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2019 12:31 PM (VzbI It was a graveyard smash Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:35 PM (RD7QR) 165
115 Or in ovens. Preferably ovens. Environmentally friendly ovens. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:28 PM (o/v81) Solar ovens Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2019 12:35 PM (pNxlR) 166
On my journey to the vast right wing conspiracy, I may have spent a minute-and-a-half as a libertarian.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at May 20, 2019 12:35 PM (JgA4k) 167
i'm going to try to limit my lbiertarian swiping, but I remember they were always in the groups demonstrating during bush , groups that always seemed to back Islam against jews.
and talk about Aurthoritarian states to back! Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:35 PM (r/xAU) 168
161 Amash has nothing just like the Democrats.
All about the feelings but never specific reasons for impeachment. Full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2019 12:34 PM (NpoKk) A tale told by an idiot Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:35 PM (bcbK8) 169
Live and let live is nice when it's reciprocated. But the left in this country has no desire to let anybody live as they please.
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at May 20, 2019 12:33 PM (oZ6kz) And that's the entire problem. The kind of society they would build would depend entirely on trust, and the untrustworthy would abuse it to no end. Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at May 20, 2019 12:36 PM (J+mig) 170
Libertarians are very similar to demofascists. Only they like smoking pot more.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 20, 2019 12:36 PM (pw+jk) 171
Libertarianism sounds nice when you're young. It's a natural outgrowth of youthful anti-authority positions, and the central tenets are easy enough to grasp. But it really doesn't work as a coherent political platform
Not even libertarians are serious about implementing the ideas, it's just philosophical LARPING. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:36 PM (O7MnT) 172
Also, can Amash state the instances where Barr misrepresented Mueller's report?
How about any specific impeachable offenses by Trump? Waiting..... Posted by: Emmie at May 20, 2019 12:36 PM (4HMW8) 173
this is the swamp that needs to be drained
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 20, 2019 12:36 PM (0O7c5) 174
So, now I want to know if Amash has read the report that he is criticizing others for not having read.
Well, of course he has. He said the Attorney General misrepresented Mueller's findings. Which, you know, Mueller hasn't said. So, I'm thinking Barr must have changed the font size and margins. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:36 PM (Boy/L) 175
http://bit.ly/2EkI52e
******* Fox News Host Mark Levin's New Book Dethrones Howard Stern From Amazon Best-Seller List Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 20, 2019 12:36 PM (BqBId) 176
amash is a Michigan er I believe.
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:36 PM (r/xAU) 177
Amish is big on making money from shitty tools out of China. China and his bank account are calling the shots.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 20, 2019 12:37 PM (pw+jk) 178
But it really doesn't work as a coherent political platform - ask 100 libertarians how much state intervention should exist and you get 100 different answers, or just everyone says "well we obviosly need an entity to enforce contracts."
Exactly. I occasionally offer the hypothetical: So you build your dream home and plan to retire there. Two years later I build and begin operating a hog rendering plant up wind of your location. Your response? Then I get to hear about their wonderful Police State plans for regulation, zoning, fining, and their ability to control what I can or cannot do with my property. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:37 PM (o/v81) 179
163 >> If indeed Justin Amash' family in heavily involved in Chinese trade I hope this get bruited about even more, because that would be a really appealing as well as a damning reason for them to want to impeach Trump.
He's part(?) owner of a Chinese business that makes tools that are imported by his father's import business and then sold by his brother's Michigan business as "American made tools." Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2019 12:35 PM (W+vEI) Oh, that's so brazenly sleazy that it actually makes sense. Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:37 PM (RD7QR) 180
167 i'm going to try to limit my lbiertarian swiping, but I remember they were always in the groups demonstrating during bush , groups that always seemed to back Islam against jews.
and talk about Aurthoritarian states to back! Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:35 PM (r/xAU) If a "Libertarian" has an opinion on Iran other than "fuck them in particular", he is a hypocrite. Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at May 20, 2019 12:37 PM (J+mig) 181
Yup....Amash's family business is Michigan Industrial Tools, which is linked to Tekton, a Chinese manufacturer.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2019 12:37 PM (wYseH) 182
Or in ovens.
Preferably ovens. Environmentally friendly ovens. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:28 PM (o/v81) Solar ovens Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2019 12:35 PM (pNxlR) Built by Solyndra in northern Minnesota. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:37 PM (Boy/L) 183
Amash has always struck me as a political performance artist.Sure, he's sincere. But he seems to be clinching proof that libertarianism is neither serious nor feasible.
Yes, the state is a bloated mess in desperate need of reform. But the libertarian approach to it is reminiscent of South Park's Underpants Gnomes. Step 1: Talk about Constitution-based reform.Step 2: ????Step 3: Liberty! Posted by: Dale Price at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (lcgkl) 184
French Press Schiff for Brains and all you'll get is pus.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (NpoKk) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (ahS0B) 186
This Amash scumbag is pulling this garbage because of his family toolmaking business based in China. Trump's America First economic policies is making it more difficult for Amash and his family to make money of cheap Chinese labor making crappy tools to sell in the US.
The fake republicans - like Romney, Ryan, Murkowski, Flake, and this Amash piece of filth - care only about their own personal wealth, not what is good for the country. Posted by: Pete at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (jfe0a) Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (o/v81) 188
Their fundamental flaw is the belief that man is inherently good. Orthodox Christianity declares that the natural man is fallen and totally depraved.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (o/v81) Yep, that is my problem with what I understand about libertarian philosophy. I actually agree with a lot of what the say, but the fatal flaw that gets them off the rails IMO is not accounting for human nature, which leads to weird conclusions sometimes. I generally respect their philosophy quite a bit, but I find a lot of self-proclaimed libertarians to be ridiculous. I know we have a few actual libertarian Morons who are very insightful. Only if more were like that. Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (9hauA) 189
Libertarians are really fun to debate illegal immigration with.
Libertarian: "There should be open borders and no welfare state." Sane Person: "How do you eliminate the welfare state when you're importing millions of poor, welfare-dependent voters?" Libertarian: [...] Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (O7MnT) 190
I used to call myself a libertarian, because of the similarity of their ideas to a lot of the concepts Robert Heinlein espoused in his fiction. Then the Ls began to leap off the diving board. Said diving board was located, figuratively, on the rooftop of a 40-story building.
I declined to follow them. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (ClOmq) 191
it's time to go lower (R)
Posted by: trapper's girl at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (DGS6j) 192
And that's the entire problem. The kind of society
they would build would depend entirely on trust, and the untrustworthy would abuse it to no end. Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at May 20, 2019 12:36 PM (J+mig) ==== East Germany versus West Germany. It is what leftism does every single time. Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (pw+jk) Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:39 PM (9hauA) 194
The fake republicans - like Romney, Ryan, Murkowski, Flake, and this Amash piece of filth - care only about their own personal wealth, not what is good for the country.
That pretty much describes every single professional politician. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:39 PM (o/v81) 195
Cato, i'm trying to keep my angst in check on this. I do have pals that are libertarian and we mostly agree on stuff except borders and islam.
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:39 PM (r/xAU) 196
Roald Dahl's "Justin and the Giant Impeach" was always my favorite childhood book.
Posted by: zombie at May 20, 2019 12:39 PM (5tb4C) 197
Would this new found feeling of impeachment have to do with Libertarian leanings or the company with strong ties to China that is about to get murdered with import taxes?
Posted by: inogame at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (+2xjH) 198
Off-Topic: Who would be the best successor to Trump?
Dan Crenshaw seems to have a lot of spunk, and Tom Cotton ain't too bad neither. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (O7MnT) 199
If Amash read the report like he claims, then why not offer specifics for his charges against the president? Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (olqTN) 200
196 Roald Dahl's "Justin and the Giant Impeach" was always my favorite childhood book.
Posted by: zombie at May 20, 2019 12:39 PM (5tb4C) Charlie and the Chinese Factory was a more profitable read. Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (NWiLs) 201
inogame, free trade man...
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (r/xAU) 202
I wonder if Drudge has a giant spinning dildo picked out for Mayor Pete for next Valentines Day yet.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (BRpqW) 203
Fox News Host Mark Levin's New Book Dethrones Howard Stern From Amazon Best-Seller List
-- Howard Stern wrote a book? What is it titled, "How I Threw Pieces of Lunchmeat at a Woman's Bare Bottom for Fun and Profit?" (Yes, I saw him do this once on his show many years ago.) Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (JoUsr) 204
Bloomberg "news" is interviewing Marianne Williamson. Apparently she's a best selling author, activist AND Democrat presidential candidate. Who? Oh she's for capitalism with a conscience. Sure Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (OLCnA) 205
Every ostensible GOP lawmaker should line up for a press conference with a joint statement to the effect that in all this talk of "impeachable offenses" there has not been one, specific charge of criminal conduct backed up with evidence.
The party should demand that anyone calling for impeachment cite (a) a criminal statute the President allegedly violated, (b) the specific evidence for that crime. If none of the above, they are to be deemed Ridiculous Assclown and motion to expel said member from their chamber should be initiated. That, and that in this country we do not indict for the purpose of "looking for a crime." It's not rocket surgery. Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (koNhm) 206
Sane Person: "How do you eliminate the welfare state when you're importing millions of poor, welfare-dependent voters?"
Usually they deflect and call you a racist. The US, like the rest of the world is not your home, but is merely an Economic Opportunity Zone. They can't process the abstract notion that not all cultures are compatible with traditional Western civilization. Somehow the illiterate and morally bankrupt foreigner will somehow run an ethically pure and fruitful business. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (o/v81) 207
200 196 Roald Dahl's "Justin and the Giant Impeach" was always my favorite childhood book.
Posted by: zombie at May 20, 2019 12:39 PM (5tb4C) Charlie and the Chinese Factory was a more profitable read. Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (NWiLs) LOLs to you both Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (bcbK8) 208
Neither Levin's book nor Stern's book is on the NYT bestseller list.
But Michelle Obama, Jill Biden, and Melinda Gates are. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (Boy/L) 209
Libertarians grew out of Randists when they got tired of being judged on keeping to principles. They hate Religion because it judges them.
Rand was anti religion because of her commitment to rationality, which at least has some thought in it. Libertarians are just looking for a religion without morals. Posted by: Oldcat at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (EJbIh) 210
Stern belongs in the throne not on it.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (5TmO/) 211
So the Amash family owns Harbor Freight?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (NpoKk) 212
I used to have regular arguments with a co-worker/friend who would be passionately liberal (because he had fallen for the lie that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives).
In reality, however, when you ferreted out his real beliefs he was a libertarian/conservative. He actually had as much skepticism about the state as I did but he couldn't make the connections. Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (JgA4k) 213
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (OLCnA)
She's also for reparations for slavery whatever it costs. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (ahS0B) 214
103 "Michigan has given us Gerald Ford, Mitt Romney, Michael Moore, and
Justine Amish. I say it's time to cut Michigan loose. Let Canada have it," Give them the Flint-Ann Arbor-Detroit triangle and the whole State changes. Just as sawing off the SF to LA coast would change Cal. Posted by: geoffb at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (zOpu5) 215
198 Off-Topic: Who would be the best successor to Trump?
Dan Crenshaw seems to have a lot of spunk, and Tom Cotton ain't too bad neither. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (O7MnT) I was thinking Attila the Hun's Vengeful Zombie myself. Maybe on a ticket with Thomas Sowell's clone for diversity. Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:43 PM (RD7QR) 216
>>I do have pals that are libertarian and we mostly agree on stuff except borders and islam.
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:39 PM (r/xAU) Do you agree with them that when you drive all the way across town at 2 a.m. to the HoJo and you find out that they're out of mozzarella sticks and the waffle fries (the seasoned ones, not the plain ones) that it totally sucks? Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:43 PM (Bdeb0) 217
Consider the dilemma for the GOP Establishment this represents.
They've been trying to primary Amash for years to install a more establishment Republican. Now he's taken on a anti-tariff, anti-Trump position that aligns with the GOP-e. Do they back his opponent, or do they welcome him to the club? Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (O7MnT) 218
198 Off-Topic: Who would be the best successor to Trump?
Dan Crenshaw seems to have a lot of spunk, and Tom Cotton ain't too bad neither. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (O7MnT) I was thinking about this. Dan has the media savvy. Whoever takes over from Trump NEEDS to be able to play the press. Give him some seasoning, some high profile work, and see how he does. If he can't cut it as Sec of State, he probably can't do President. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (bcbK8) 219
215 198 Off-Topic: Who would be the best successor to Trump?
Dan Crenshaw seems to have a lot of spunk, and Tom Cotton ain't too bad neither. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (O7MnT) I was thinking Attila the Hun's Vengeful Zombie myself. Maybe on a ticket with Thomas Sowell's clone for diversity. Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:43 PM (RD7QR) Zombie Vlad Tepes. Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (JgA4k) 220
How about Dahl's Death of a Ball Sucker
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (NpoKk) 221
>>215 198 Off-Topic: Who would be the best successor to Trump?
Barron Trump, strength to his hand. Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (Bdeb0) 222
Rob Eno
@Robeno I'm absolutely amazed at the number of Libertarians siding with @justinamash for openly supporting the police state. No one who has paid any attention to Libertarians is surprised by this. The Libertarians supported the Occupoop Wall Street dirtbags and their insane screed against civil society. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (vq6T3) 223
I'm utterly shocked there are still idiots out there that yell "Bababoey!!!" at golf tournaments.
People are idiots. Posted by: Sponge at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (Zz0t1) 224
So libertarian bargaining ends up sounding like Steve Martin as Navin Johnson talking about what he needs as he's leaving.
Well we just need the police....okay well yeah for foreign intervention I guess we need something - not the army, but private military contractors....well yeah we need someone to enforce some zoning regulations so your house isn't right next to the Sriracha plant...sure yeah I guess we need some consumer products oversight so that companies aren't just releasing poison... And eventually you get to something that looks pretty similar to the current state apparatus. Except drugs and prostitution are legal. Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (oZ6kz) 225
I'm absolutely amazed at the number of Libertarians siding with @justinamash for openly supporting the police state.
I'm not. Libertarians are just retards who are having a particularly difficult and protracted adolescence. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (bul8j) 226
132 I suspect this Amash dude or Romney will run as independent in the general election--with the specific purpose of denying Trump re-election.
It won't work. If the economy were bad, maybe. But you can't make a dent in an incumbent running with Trump's in-party approval numbers. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:30 PM (Boy/L) Indeed, like John Anderson (1980) and Ralph Nader (2000) I suspect such a candidacy would draw away Democrats disgusted with the full blown commie tilt. Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (ujg0T) 227
Dan Crenshaw seems to have a lot of spunk, and Tom Cotton ain't too bad neither.
Either would need to have F-you money so that they can blow off the corrupting influence of billionaire donors who have ideas that run contrary to this country's General Welfare. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (o/v81) 228
I hate liberaltarians.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (lLeln) Posted by: JT at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (GWll0) 230
Give them the Flint-Ann Arbor-Detroit triangle and the whole State changes. Just as sawing off the SF to LA coast would change Cal. True, the good people of the Upper Peninsula do not deserve to be governed by Detroit and Lansing. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (O7MnT) 231
Off-Topic: Who would be the best successor to Trump?
-- Greg Abbott or that new governor in FL? He seems pretty good at not backing down or cowering. Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (JoUsr) 232
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Bloomberg "news" is interviewing Marianne Williamson. Apparently she's a best selling author, activist AND Democrat presidential candidate. Who? Oh she's for capitalism with a conscience. Sure Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (OLCnA) Well, by "conscience" she means "crystals and incense." So yeah. No. Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (RD7QR) 233
Greetings, Zombie! Hope all is well with you.
Posted by: Emmie at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (4HMW8) Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (6qErC) 235
"Michigan has given us Gerald Ford, Mitt Romney, Michael Moore, and Justine Amish. I say it's time to cut Michigan loose. Let Canada have it," In fairness they have also given us Bob Seger, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock. Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (TAmPV) Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:46 PM (Boy/L) 237
Signs you idea may be crazy:
1) Rashida Tlaib instantly signs on 2) You're backing prosecutorial misconduct and abuse of power I'm absolutely amazed at the number of Libertarians siding with @justinamash for openly supporting the police state. Modern libertarians ain't the ones of even five years ago. Without weed as their unifying and only shared cause, most of the old ones have left or aren't active any longer. The movement is being rapidly taken over by the left Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 20, 2019 12:46 PM (39g3+) 238
I wonder if Drudge has a giant spinning dildo picked out for Mayor Pete for next Valentines Day yet.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (BRpqW) ........ Bootygig should definitely be president because countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia would SO respect him. This who we are... gay. Posted by: wth at May 20, 2019 12:46 PM (v0R5T) 239
I tend to read Amash as Amish, which makes me wonder if he says thee and thou a lot and drives a buggy to work.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at May 20, 2019 12:46 PM (JgA4k) 240
I'm utterly shocked there are still idiots out there that yell "Bababoey!!!" at golf tournaments.
People are idiots. Posted by: Sponge at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (Zz0t1) LOL. SO true. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2019 12:46 PM (vq6T3) 241
Barron Trump, strength to his hand.
Barron Trump, the Bran Stark of the Trump family. Works for me. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:46 PM (O7MnT) 242
Michigan gave us herpes.
Posted by: F'tang F'tang Biscuit Barrel at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (tH5fk) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (ahS0B) 244
201 inogame, free trade man...
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (r/xAU) I only mention as I see Tekton tools is the company sourcing most of their products form China and Amash lists it on his financial disclosure forms.. I wonder... if one has to do with the other is all. https://tinyurl.com/y2adoqs2 Posted by: inogame at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (+2xjH) 245
239 I tend to read Amash as Amish, which makes me wonder if he says thee and thou a lot and drives a buggy to work.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at May 20, 2019 12:46 PM (JgA4k) Buttgig hopes to ride buggery into the White House. Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (NWiLs) 246
Michigan has given us Gerald Ford, Mitt Romney, Michael Moore, and Justine Amish.
Don't lump Ford in with those other three. He was a damn fine American who took the reins at a shitty time. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (Boy/L) 247
Is Amash going to be holding hands with Tlaib when she dons her bomb belt?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (JgA4k) 248
Yeah screw this guy! Clearly his comments reflect the will of any and followers of an entire political philosophy!
Posted by: EtcEtcEtc at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (I0YsO) 249
"Libertarians" in office and in media have been stabbing Conservatives in the back for the last 20 years. On every single big issue, "Libertarians" have opposed Conservatives. Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (olqTN) 250
Specifics? I don't need to provide any stinkin' specifics!
Just because Mueller admitted that Barr didn't misrepresent his report doesn't mean that Barr didn't misrepresent it. I say he did! How did he misrepresent it? In many ways! Too many to count! You have to know how to read the report; there are emanations from penumbras that the ordinary reader just can't perceive! You gotta be a super-genius, like me, to really get it! You plebes are obviously just too dumb to understand! Posted by: Rep. Justin Amash (D-Idiocracy) at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (k4dH2) 251
"Father?"
"Yes, Barron?" "I'm going to have to reduce them, aren't I?" "Yes, son. Yes, you are." "Okay." Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:48 PM (Bdeb0) Posted by: Mayor Buttplug at May 20, 2019 12:48 PM (UyrTF) 253
Zod, sure, I could care less if they waste time and money on stupid stuff.
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:48 PM (r/xAU) 254
Most libertarians are stunted adolescents (like many Leftists are).
And I think Amish has business interests vis a vis China, so that could be another reason for his outburst. Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 20, 2019 12:48 PM (H8QX8) 255
220 How about Dahl's Death of a Ball Sucker
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (NpoKk) Oh Uncle Oswald... Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at May 20, 2019 12:48 PM (bcbK8) 256
In fairness they have also given us Bob Seger, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (TAmPV) and Grand Funk Railroad Posted by: Mark1971 at May 20, 2019 12:48 PM (xPl2J) 257
He represents an R+6 District.
In the next year, all of the illegal activities under Obama against Trump will surface. His primary opponent should have a field day! Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 20, 2019 12:48 PM (so+oy) 258
202 I wonder if Drudge has a giant spinning dildo picked out for Mayor Pete for next Valentines Day yet.
A Sawzall with an, ahem, attachment would be an easy animated GIF. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IPQNA62 Works with Vac-U-Lock Dildo! (something I'd never heard of before, and never wish to hear of again, but this does look like a well-made part...) Posted by: JEM at May 20, 2019 12:48 PM (8erNz) 259
I suspect this Amash dude or Romney will run as independent in the general election--with the specific purpose of denying Trump re-election.
The GOP-E is reportedly looking to get Katshit, the Flake, Ben Sassy, or some combination to run against Trump, just to make sure the Democrat wins. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (O7MnT) 260
inogam,e it is probably correct to assume amash works for himself. not his constituents or country.
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (r/xAU) 261
A few books by Marianna Williamson -
A Return to Love, A Course in Weight Loss, and Illuminata: A Return to Prayer. Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (NpoKk) 262
250 Specifics? I don't need to provide any stinkin' specifics! Just because Mueller admitted that Barr didn't misrepresent his report doesn't mean that Barr didn't misrepresent it. I say he did! How did he misrepresent it? In many ways! Too many to count! You have to know how to read the report; there are emanations from penumbras that the ordinary reader just can't perceive! You gotta be a super-genius, like me, to really get it! You plebes are obviously just too dumb to understand! Posted by: Rep. Justin Amash (D-Idiocracy) at May 20, 2019 12:47 PM (k4dH2) Did you use X-ray specs or googly-eyes glasses when you read it? Or do you know Nicholas Cage personally? Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (pNxlR) 263
181,
Short version. Amash Imports (owned by the father, Attallah (Charles) Amash) owns Michigan Industrial Tools (run by the brother Jeff Amash), Amash Brothers Distributing, and Tekton Inc. (also run by Jeff Amash). Tekton sells hand tools which it claims are US made but imports them from the Chinese firm Dynamic Source International which is co-owned by Congressman Justin Amash. Posted by: geoffb at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (zOpu5) 264
247 Is Amash going to be holding hands with Tlaib when she dons her bomb belt?
____________ Hopefully he'll be holding hands with her when she detonates it. Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (k4dH2) 265
But the most urgent thing is OrangeManBad.
But here's the thing, Chique--if Trump were such a DANGERTOOURDEMOCRACY, shouldn't they be actually introducing articles of impeachment? It's almost as if they don't believe their own bullshit. Insert Green New Deal stupidity here. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) They could have found us years ago if, 1.They really wanted to. 2. If we were real. Posted by: imaginary peeing hookers at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (nEOLy) 266
The "libertarians" like the idea of less authoritarian conservatism, so they see a "Libertarian" and say gee that's my kind of politician. Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (olqTN) 267
189 Libertarians are really fun to debate illegal immigration with.
Libertarian: "There should be open borders and no welfare state." Sane Person: "How do you eliminate the welfare state when you're importing millions of poor, welfare-dependent voters?" Libertarian: [...] Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (O7MnT) But here's the thing. Libertarians USED to understand that. It was a no-brainer. Get rid of the welfare state first, and then we can discuss open borders. I don't know what's wrong with today's so-called libertarians. You have to go out of your way to get that wrong. Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (xjiRE) 268
Tom Cotton called for an end to some of those untouchable farm subsidies while campaigning. Unfortunately he has both the fiber AND the flavor of unsalted oatmeal. Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (HC/+T) 269
216 >>I do have pals that are libertarian and we mostly agree on stuff except borders and islam.
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:39 PM (r/xAU) Do you agree with them that when you drive all the way across town at 2 a.m. to the HoJo and you find out that they're out of mozzarella sticks and the waffle fries (the seasoned ones, not the plain ones) that it totally sucks? Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:43 PM (Bdeb0) IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE LIBERTARIANS ARE HUGE STONERS, WILLOW IS KNOWN TO BE A HUGE STONER, AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF POST-TOKING MUNCHIES-DRIVEN CONVERSATION ONE WOULD EXPECT TO TAKE PLACE. Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (NWiLs) 270
The GOP-E is reportedly looking to get Katshit, the Flake, Ben Sassy, or some combination to run against Trump, just to make sure the Democrat wins.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (O7MnT) And I will jump for joy when, like John Anderson in 1980, this will give Trump at least a plurality of the popular vote, and an electoral landslide, in 2020. Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (ujg0T) 271
Usually they deflect and call you a racist. The US, like the rest of the world is not your home, but is merely an Economic Opportunity Zone.
They can't process the abstract notion that not all cultures are compatible with traditional Western civilization. Somehow the illiterate and morally bankrupt foreigner will somehow run an ethically pure and fruitful business. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (o/v81) I don't know what is so hard for open borders zealots on the left or right to understand. Do you have a right to determine who should be allowed in your own home? If you are doing okay financially, does that give every person worse off than you the right to enter your home undeterred and parade through your house, taking whatever they want? Do you have a personal obligation to do financially support every single poor person in your neighborhood? And by the way, how generous are you in your personal life, anyway? How often do you actually help people in need? If your answer is rarely or never, shut it. Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (9hauA) 272
I saw that Stern's book had a bunch of one-star reviews on Amazon. I read through some of them and it's all people complaining that the book is mostly transcripts of old interviews of people from his show that everyone's already heard.
Posted by: Mark1971 at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (xPl2J) 273
Official "libertarians" prove that once again they are nothing but open borders freaks who smoke weed and want open borders.
and to think that I was once partial to their claims - what a bunch of f'in liars. Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (Kpl3J) 274
Y'all are talking about giving away valuable real estate it's just distressed. All these distressed areas in the US simply need renovation.
Farmers renovate their fields by burning and then plowing it. Posted by: Braenyard at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (5TmO/) 275
I actually think partnering with Tlaib is, in itself, proof of insanity.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (JgA4k) 276
Tekton sells hand tools which it claims are US made but imports them from the Chinese firm Dynamic Source International which is co-owned by Congressman Justin Amash.
Damn, I've got some Tekton stuff. Including a couple of the weirdest bar-clamps I ever bought. Design clearly intended to dodge someone's patent. Posted by: JEM at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (8erNz) 277
Damn, and I have some Tekton torque wrenches in the roll-away. Is there no escape from these people?
Posted by: Eisenhorn at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (uGHnY) 278
I'm not. Libertarians are just retards who are having a particularly difficult and protracted adolescence.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (bul8j) Wuh?! Posted by: SE Cupp Size at May 20, 2019 12:51 PM (O9JR8) 279
The biggest problem with libertarians these days is that they aren't really all that libertarian. A lot of them are just GOP squishes and big-city types who find the religious right distasteful. Problem is that all that stodgy moralizing is what makes limited government possible. Organic public order from below rather than being imposed above. No state that doesn't stigmatize unwed motherhood and other morally wrongheaded choices is going to remain small for too long, because it's inherent that those choices create constituencies who will want to vote themselves other people's money as a means of support.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 20, 2019 12:51 PM (nDdGQ) 280
Does anyone know the name of Amash's tool company so I can boycott them?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 20, 2019 12:51 PM (HaL55) 281
Ace said this:
"Never trust anyone whose method of defining himself, and of showing off his virtue, is by negative comparison to you. That's what libertarians are, that's what the liberal NeverTrumpers are." For the left, white "cis" males are the one group that it's always okay to hate and it's always okay to just dump on. Ace, are you putting libertarians also in a permanent "okay to hate" category? I consider myself a libertarian. (A small-l libertarian, not a Libertarian, because I'm not a member of the Libertarian Party.) The people who love government sure love to dump on libertarians. It's not that fun to get it from people who should be my allies in addition to people who are my enemies. I'm totally fine with dumping on Justin Amash and in particular I'm fine with calling him a "fake libertarian" if he won't even object to Stasi-like surveillance of US citizens. Maybe he says he's a libertarian but he doesn't seem to be a good one. He should go pound sand. A libertarian is a person who believes that individual liberty is axiomatically good. A libertarian rejects tests like "does this right cause more trouble than it's worth", like the standard gun banners want to apply to the Second Amendment, or like the progressives want to apply to "hate speech" and thus apply to the First Amendment. And a libertarian, a real one, is firmly opposed to government spying on its own citizens under almost all circumstances (and "orange man bad" definitely does not excuse it). Traditionally, libertarians have been more closely aligned with conservatives, because conservatives overall want the government to be smaller and do less. The traditional difference between a libertarian and a social conservative was that sometimes the social conservative approved of the use of government to enforce morality (for example, keeping marijuana illegal, or keeping prostitution illegal). libertarians don't favor government getting involved in "victimless crimes". (That's not to say we always approve of such activities; it means that we don't think government should be involved in regulating it.) A modern conservative who might want the church to tell people not to do gay stuff but doesn't want the government to force people not to do gay stuff... that's pretty close to a libertarian, whatever that person may call himself/herself. Because we have a winner-take-all system, I've been voting straight Republican for years, even though I'm a libertarian. I'm not going to stop just because people dump on libertarians, but I am going to ask you to just stop it. Just stop it. By all means call out fake libertarians who can't even condemn Stasi-like tactics. By all means call out never-Trumpers of any political stripe. And please, keep up the snark and funny jibes against our political enemies. But there's no need to just pick fights with libertarians, like me, who are natural allies of conservatives. Big tent, okay? Posted by: mr_jack at May 20, 2019 12:51 PM (57l0O) 282
JT, a myriad of house issues, plumbing electric that i'm trying to stabilize, and my little granbaby broke his arm on a climbing wall
other than that , im fair or slightly prone to ripping someones head off. Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:52 PM (r/xAU) 283
232 204
Bloomberg "news" is interviewing Marianne Williamson. Apparently she's a best selling author, activist AND Democrat presidential candidate. Who? Oh she's for capitalism with a conscience. Sure Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2019 12:41 PM (OLCnA) Well, by "conscience" she means "crystals and incense." So yeah. No. Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (RD7QR) I have lost count at the number of women (and some men) I know who initially liked Marianne Williamson's self help works, only to be disgusted when they found out what a foaming at the mouth Leftist she is. Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 20, 2019 12:52 PM (ujg0T) 284
What was there to misrepresent in a report that was laughable from the first page, where it claimed without ever offering any proof, at all, that Russia definitely hacked the DNC and phished the pedo worm Podesta and carried out dangerous unbalancing of the election with $100,000 in FarceBook ads ... ??
ANyone who thinks the Mueller report wasn't a joke from the start is an idiot or a treasonous, leftist dirtbag. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2019 12:52 PM (vq6T3) 285
270 The GOP-E is reportedly looking to get Katshit, the Flake, Ben Sassy, or some combination to run against Trump, just to make sure the Democrat wins.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (O7MnT) " Doesn't everyone remember that they already tried that in 2016, with Egg McMuffin? And they failed - MISERABLY!!! (to be said with a Grand Nagus voice) Bill Kristol and his pals are the only ones left who think this could work. Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2019 12:52 PM (Kpl3J) 286
Duh, nevermind. I just saw it above.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 20, 2019 12:52 PM (HaL55) 287
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In fairness they have also given us Bob Seger, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock. Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2019 12:45 PM (TAmPV) and Grand Funk Railroad Posted by: Mark1971 at May 20, 2019 * * . . . And Elmore Leonard and Loren D. Estleman. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2019 12:52 PM (ClOmq) 288
I have bought two (2) Tekton tools from Amazon.
1. A tube cutter. It didn't have enough of the wheel extending beyond the support to go all the way through even thin wall tubing. 2. Internal snap ring pliers. The pins were to big a diameter to fit in the holes of the snap rings. Amazon gave me my money back and, get this, didn't want me to send them back. I fixed both tools' defects. Quality of Tekton tools is non existent. Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (pw+jk) 289
In fairness they have also given us Bob Seger, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock. Posted by: Flawless Male Logic And Alice Cooper Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (aKsyK) Posted by: James OBrien at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (AsNmV) 291
>>261 A few books by Marianna Williamson -Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (NpoKk)
Marianne Williamson is a witch. Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (Bdeb0) 292
The GOP-E is reportedly looking to get Katshit, the Flake, Ben Sassy, or some combination to run against Trump, just to make sure the Democrat wins. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (O7MnT) I look forward to the Sassy/Flake ticket. Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (TAmPV) 293
Surprised Ace didn't include Cuckid French's pushing Amash.
Posted by: dagny at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (IyR4I) 294
I'm utterly shocked there are still idiots out there that yell "Bababoey!!!" at golf tournaments.
People are idiots. Posted by: Sponge at May 20, 2019 12:44 PM (Zz0t1) The best thing about Augusta National is they run all those fuckheads immediately. I don't think they even allow cellphones on the course. The PGA are a bunch of mercenary cocksuckers who moved up their championship for the first time in 70 years so CBS wouldn't be in conflict with the Goodell Football League. Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (y7DUB) 295
JA is just trolling for a veep spot with Buttplug.
Posted by: Gmac - Winning never gets old ... like me. But old beats the alternative! at May 20, 2019 12:54 PM (qZdIZ) 296
Golf is the only spectator sport I can think of that's more boring than baseball.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2019 12:54 PM (NWiLs) 297
267 189 Libertarians are really fun to debate illegal immigration with.
Libertarian: "There should be open borders and no welfare state." Sane Person: "How do you eliminate the welfare state when you're importing millions of poor, welfare-dependent voters?" Libertarian: [...] Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:38 PM (O7MnT) But here's the thing. Libertarians USED to understand that. It was a no-brainer. Get rid of the welfare state first, and then we can discuss open borders. I don't know what's wrong with today's so-called libertarians. You have to go out of your way to get that wrong. Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2019 12:50 PM (xjiRE) It's simple. Libertarians fall into two groups: acne-plagued undergraduates engaging in intellectual masturbation by dropping late night dorm room profundities, and aging retards who've never grown up, and lack the sense God gave geese. Oh, and "open borders?" Yeah, no. Not ever. Totally unworkable, as any grownup will instantly appreciate. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2019 12:55 PM (bul8j) 298
until the Libertarians wrest control away from the Dope Smoking Caucus, they will never be a viable party
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at May 20, 2019 12:55 PM (RKQ/v) 299
The GOP-E is reportedly looking to get Katshit, the Flake, Ben Sassy, or some combination to run against Trump, just to make sure the Democrat wins.
-- Juggernaut II Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at May 20, 2019 12:55 PM (JoUsr) 300
But there's no need to just pick fights with libertarians, like me, who are natural allies of conservatives. Big tent, okay?
Posted by: mr_jack at May 20, 2019 12:51 PM (57l0O) That IS fair. I can respect small l libertarians in the Republican Liberty caucus, and I can even respect "Luap Nor" and his son, even though they have gone off the deep end at times, for staying in the GOP. Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 20, 2019 12:55 PM (ujg0T) 301
The Emflakening.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2019 12:55 PM (yQpMk) 302
264 247 Is Amash going to be holding hands with Tlaib when she dons her bomb belt?
____________ Hopefully he'll be holding hands with her when she detonates it. Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (k4dH2) Pete Buttigeig will join them and together, they'll all go and blow up Jefferson's Head on Mt. Rushmore. Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2019 12:55 PM (Kpl3J) Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2019 12:55 PM (xjiRE) 304
Marianne Williamson is a witch.
Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (Bdeb0) We did this before, Zoddie. I think you just like saying it If she's a Witch she doesn't identify as one. She was ordained in the Unity Church (Which is not Unitarian, but sounds like they are) which would not make her a Witch unless she just converted to Wicca. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2019 12:56 PM (ahS0B) 305
>>290 The Conservative Case for an American Stazi by Max Boot Posted by: James OBrien at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (AsNmV)
"Max Boot: Cool U-Boat Commander Name, Simpering Idiot Outlook--A Life In Parallel." Sold wherever political biographies are remaindered. Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:56 PM (Bdeb0) 306
But there's no need to just pick fights with libertarians, like me, who are natural allies of conservatives. Big tent, okay?
Posted by: mr_jack at May 20, 2019 12:51 PM (57l0O) That's fine. I have no problem with real libertarians. The problem is that libertarians don't seem to be interested in what I'll call "classical" libertarianism anymore, or if they are they refuse to call out the libertarians who are just stalking horses for the left. Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:56 PM (RD7QR) 307
But there's no need to just pick fights with libertarians, like me, who are natural allies of conservatives. Big tent, okay?
But is it ok to kick you around for wanting to engage in sodomy in exchange for money and drugs? Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 12:57 PM (o/v81) 308
anyway I guess my point is re libertarians woudl be, I often don't even agree with republicans. ( free trade - corps are our pals )
but I find I agree with us more than the left, so i'm good enough with accepting the gaps in between. Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:57 PM (r/xAU) 309
Do you have a right to determine who should be allowed in your own home?
If you are doing okay financially, does that give every person worse off than you the right to enter your home undeterred and parade through your house, taking whatever they want? Do you have a personal obligation to do financially support every single poor person in your neighborhood? Why isn't this argument ever raised by the GOPe? Or anyone, for that matter? It's just plain old common sense...oh wait: Party of Stoopid. Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 20, 2019 12:57 PM (HaL55) 310
I was a Liberterian back in the founding days of the party. Most of us were Rand followers then. The modern L party people are nothing even vaguely resembling what we were like. Left the party years ago when the crazy people started invading from the left.
Basically the modern party is more a Libertarian-Marxist fusion, if you can wrap your head around that. Posted by: An Observation at May 20, 2019 12:57 PM (GH3B6) 311
When Tully stood up and started explaining why he should be king, I immediately thought of Kasich.
Posted by: dagny at May 20, 2019 12:57 PM (IyR4I) 312
I'm not a witch. I'm you!
Posted by: Marianne Williamson at May 20, 2019 12:57 PM (NWiLs) 313
I love killing babies!!
Posted by: SE Cupp Size at May 20, 2019 12:57 PM (9t0Zz) 314
Hi, Mr_Jack. Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at May 20, 2019 12:57 PM (HC/+T) Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at May 20, 2019 12:58 PM (olqTN) 316
The cop killer in Auburn, AL is in custody. He was wearing body armor, indicating likely premeditation. The district attorney says he'll seek the death penalty.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at May 20, 2019 12:58 PM (hjaPQ) 317
Doesn't everyone remember that they already tried that in 2016, with Egg McMuffin? And they failed - MISERABLY!!!
They think it will succeed with higher profile Republicans; the same way Democrats think Biden has "working class appeal." By which I think they mean, "those idiot hicks will think Biden's one of them because he's as stupid as they are." Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:58 PM (O7MnT) 318
>>I think you just like saying it If she's a Witch Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2019 12:56 PM (ahS0B)
Zod likes to say "borborygmous" and "semiotics." "Witch" is uninteresting to say. Marianne Williamson is a witch. Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:58 PM (Bdeb0) 319
sooth, they used to be onboard with smaller govt . less regulations govt control.
Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:59 PM (r/xAU) 320
Ayn Rand put it best when she called libertarians hippies of the right.
Posted by: Someguy at May 20, 2019 12:59 PM (mX8Vr) 321
"Bloomberg "news" is interviewing Marianne Williamson. Apparently she's a
best selling author, activist AND Democrat presidential candidate. Who? Oh she's for capitalism with a conscience. Posted by: TheQuietMan" So business get to keep 30% of their profits. And regular visits\s from govt. compassion inspectors. Posted by: Ripley at May 20, 2019 12:59 PM (MxEKc) 322
The GOP-E is reportedly looking to get Katshit, the Flake, Ben Sassy, or some combination to run against Trump, just to make sure the Democrat wins.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2019 12:49 PM (O7MnT) Those dickholes think we'll just come back to the fold like none of this shit happened when DJT is gone. They're in for a very rude awakening when they find out that the Golden Scalpweasel was the easy way to mend fences. Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2019 12:59 PM (y7DUB) Posted by: willow at May 20, 2019 12:59 PM (r/xAU) 324
RINO Amash is attention whoring for a spot on someone's presidential campaign, one of his flockmate Socialist buddies on the other side of the aisle to make it 'bipartisan'.
Posted by: Gmac - Winning never gets old ... like me. But old beats the alternative! at May 20, 2019 01:00 PM (qZdIZ) 325
Posted by: mr_jack at May 20, 2019 12:51 PM (57l0O)
I think a lot of us are referring more to big L libertarians and doofuses who claim to be libertarian to be edgy or because they hate religion/love weed. Alas, this is what we come across the most. I can't speak for Ace but I doubt he means to insult every single libertarian out there. Just mostly the clowns. Read some of the comments for more nuanced takes on libertarians and libertarianism. Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 20, 2019 01:00 PM (9hauA) 326
>>320 Ayn Rand put it best when she called libertarians hippies of the right.
Posted by: Someguy at May 20, 2019 12:59 PM (mX8Vr) She put it wrong when she said that William F. Buckley was "too intelligent to believe in God." Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 01:00 PM (Bdeb0) 327
i don't find him to be a fake libertarian at all- he personifies libertarian politicians: Side with the left on all cultural issues, but still claim to be on the right, to the right of everyone actually, because low taxes & freedom, and marketsssss.
Justin will have ten yeas come January 3 2021- BAM- Pension. He wants out. Posted by: Quilp at May 20, 2019 01:00 PM (Bf3hj) 328
>>Golf is the only spectator sport I can think of that's more boring than baseball.
Try watching some NBA Basketball or maybe a Superbowl? Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2019 01:00 PM (488xF) 329
320 Ayn Rand put it best when she called libertarians hippies of the right.
Posted by: Someguy at May 20, 2019 12:59 PM (mX8Vr) While there were many aspects of Ayn Rand that I like, she DID have that habit of alienating just about all of the people who would otherwise be her allies, from Buckley to Goldwater. She seemed to enjoy pissing in people's political lemonade. Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 20, 2019 01:01 PM (ujg0T) 330
In fairness they have also given us Bob Seger, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock.
And, you know, Hitsville USA. Motown! Posted by: Ian S. at May 20, 2019 01:01 PM (6XLoz) 331
Nood
Posted by: Furious George at May 20, 2019 01:01 PM (9vQJW) 332
299 The GOP-E is reportedly looking to get Katshit, the Flake, Ben Sassy, or some combination to run against Trump, just to make sure the Democrat wins.
---------- Hold my sparkling water... Posted by: Mittens Rombley at May 20, 2019 01:01 PM (9dQxE) 333
That's fine. I have no problem with real libertarians. The problem is that libertarians don't seem to be interested in what I'll call "classical" libertarianism anymore, or if they are they refuse to call out the libertarians who are just stalking horses for the left.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 20, 2019 12:56 PM (RD7QR) The problem with libertarianism - and the reason I come down on it - is that it's the right wing's answer to Marxism. Namely, a superficially appealing but laughably unworkable pseudo-intellectual prescription for utopia, which appellation is particularly apt, since "utopia" literally means "nowhere." Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2019 01:01 PM (bul8j) 334
83 32 Palestinian Power, woot woot!
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at May 20, 2019 12:15 PM (W+vEI) Surprise surprise, Justin Amash is one of those odd Palestinian "Christians" who likes to get whipped by the Muslims. See also Said, Edward Posted by: Curmudgeon OOOooohhhhh, this explains a lot. I used to sympathize a lot with Palestinian Christians in Bethlehem, as they suffered endless abuse, killings and ethnic cleansing at the hands of their Muslim brethren. But then I learned that a majority of Palestinian Christians are just as anti-Semitic as their Islamist relatives. Very disappointing. Many of them would rather live under the thumb of Islam than be in a Jewish nation, so they side with the Muslims in trying to include Bethlehem and East Jerusalem in some planned Palestinian state. I wouldn't be surprised if Amash is flying his ethnic flag here. Trump is as close as we've ever had to a Jewish president (two of the recent jew-killing mass-shooters left manifestos bashing Trump as a "Jew President"), so opposing him for that reason alone is sufficient for Amash. Posted by: zombie at May 20, 2019 01:02 PM (5tb4C) 335
Marianne Williamson is a witch.
Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (Bdeb0) I am to understand that in the past, erections were blamed on witchcraft. Are you trying to tell us something? Posted by: blaster at May 20, 2019 01:02 PM (9VeU0) 336
these 5 minute Americans seem to struggle with a few of the basics
Posted by: x at May 20, 2019 01:02 PM (nFwvY) 337
I'm still sympathetic to the true libertarians, small "L", and I think what's gone wrong is that because the movement is so diffused and unstructured, it has no Brand Control. And so rich leftists who want to sneak inside conservative lines have been using that to put up a false front (Like Jeff Flake, one of the worst at this) And so, "Libertarian" is getting a very bad name, because no one can stop this from happening.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2019 01:02 PM (Kpl3J) 338
Amash looks, acts, and sounds like a Bulwark douchebag. Kick him from the caucus and beat his head into the mire of his blood. Then begin the proscriptions.
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at May 20, 2019 01:02 PM (FTPVM) 339
It's simple. Libertarians fall into two groups: acne-plagued undergraduates engaging in intellectual masturbation by dropping late night dorm room profundities, and aging retards who've never grown up, and lack the sense God gave geese.
I think that the Libertarian party is over represented by those who present Asperger Syndrome. Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2019 01:03 PM (o/v81) Posted by: McLurkerson at May 20, 2019 01:03 PM (ETHQn) 341
335
Marianne Williamson is a witch. Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (Bdeb0) I am to understand that in the past, erections were blamed on witchcraft. . . . Posted by: blaster at May 20, 2019 * * . . . If you ever wondered why Darrin stayed married to Samantha despite her mother and the rest of her family, this is why. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2019 01:04 PM (ClOmq) 342
335 Marianne Williamson is a witch.
Posted by: Zod at May 20, 2019 12:53 PM (Bdeb0) I am to understand that in the past, erections were blamed on witchcraft. Are you trying to tell us something? Posted by: blaster at May 20, 2019 01:02 PM (9VeU0) Sadly, there are leftist bitches who are (or in their younger years were) hawt. See also the Redgrave ladies for an across the pond example. Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 20, 2019 01:04 PM (ujg0T) 343
I was in one of these corporate reeducation classes last week. At one point they displayed a picture of Shanghai and asked- "what do you see?". After a bunch of contrived answers it was my turn and I said "millions of enslaved people yearning to breath free".
*audible gasp* The proctor though they could shame me into silence by asking the follow up question- Why? Why would you say that? I stated, "It's an obvious truth. China is a communist country and by definition they are enslaved. They have no liberty or freedom that isn't granted to them by the state. I can think of few things a human being would want more than that." Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2019 01:05 PM (VpIIl) 344
Traditionally, libertarians have been more closely aligned with conservatives, because conservatives overall want the government to be smaller and do less. The traditional difference between a libertarian and a social conservative was that sometimes the social conservative approved of the use of government to enforce morality (for example, keeping marijuana illegal, or keeping prostitution illegal). libertarians don't favor government getting involved in "victimless crimes". (That's not to say we always approve of such activities; it means that we don't think government should be involved in regulating it.)
Posted by: mr_jack at May 20, 2019 12:51 PM (57l0O) Morality certain has a part in law. It is a huge part of what defines a society and what a sensible society pursues. This is where even "l"inertarians are off the rails. They basically want no government and they almost always are against the idea of borders, which means that they reject the idea of the nation-state. This is crazy and reflects a political ideology that bears no relationship to reality. THis is the problem with libertarians. Anyone who is against the idea of the nation-state is not really the sort of political ally any reasonable conservative would want. There is, of course, a huge difference between Libertarians and libertarians but the fact is that there are far more Libertarians (and they are basically leftists whose main concerns are smoking pot and other drugs) than libertarians and that they each have serious problems being taken seriously. THe Libertarians are just leftists and the libertarians are anti-nation-state people of the most frivolous sorts of political views. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2019 01:06 PM (vq6T3) 345
One man's opinion but, I think that current libertarians, certainly those of the Big L variety, are more libertine than classic liberal. They don't like anyone harshing their mellow, whether it is the Federal Government, the PTA, or unborn children.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2019 01:06 PM (yQpMk) 346
It's simple. Libertarians fall into two groups: acne-plagued undergraduates engaging in intellectual masturbation by dropping late night dorm room profundities, and aging retards who've never grown up, and lack the sense God gave geese.
Oh, and "open borders?" Yeah, no. Not ever. Totally unworkable, as any grownup will instantly appreciate. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2019 12:55 PM (bul8j) Bingo. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2019 01:07 PM (vq6T3) 347
You're gonna have to serve somebody.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2019 01:08 PM (yQpMk) 348
It's worth considering that phony libertarians (like phony conservatives, and even liberals) are part of the establishment defense system and are designed to blunt reforms.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 20, 2019 01:08 PM (oVJmc) 349
Libertarians are border line anarchists with a bong.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2019 01:08 PM (VpIIl) 350
"There is a LOT of hostility towards religion in the Libertarian world."
They tend toward spouting off that the Right wants to implement THEOCRACY! as their bizarre and lame-assed justification for not wanting to be allies. That's right before you get them to admit that the only thing they really care about is weed. Posted by: McLurkerson at May 20, 2019 01:10 PM (ETHQn) 351
"198 Off-Topic: Who would be the best successor to Trump?
Dan Crenshaw seems to have a lot of spunk, and Tom Cotton ain't too bad neither." Both are too warmongering. Crenshaw is okay but strikes me as at heart a standard donor-friendly Republican with an eyepatch: well-marketed boomer bait. I distrust him on vital conservative issues like sharply limiting _legal_ immigration, not just cracking down on illegal immigration. I worry that Crenshaw is a variation of the same "look, a vet!" hustle that the Dems used to sneak libs into a bunch of suburban moderate seats in '18. Crenshaw's service is hugely impressive at a personal level... but (as we've learned through painful experience) that can't make up for not being a nationalist. Cotton is smarter and better. He is nationalist on a number of issues. I distrust him on foreign policy but am open to being persuaded to support him on other grounds. The best potential successor to Trump (so far) is Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri. Go to Youtube and listen to his inaugural Senate speech from last week, it's dynamite. Hawley is focused on the cultural and political interests of working Americans, especially in the red states, and is willing to use legitimate government authority against the enemies of that base and of everyone reading this comments thread -- especially Big Tech. Hawley is ahead of every other Republican on the tech regulation issue (sadly, including President Trump). This is not only a crucial policy issue on its own merits, it is also a good proxy for whether a Republican "gets it" overall in the present period of sharpening class conflict, institutional decline, and accelerating social revolution. Posted by: Lexington at May 20, 2019 01:12 PM (H1AqP) 352
But here's the thing. Libertarians USED to understand that. It was a no-brainer. Get rid of the welfare state first, and then we can discuss open borders.
Well like I said, old libertarians are leaving the movement and leftists are taking over. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 20, 2019 01:14 PM (39g3+) 353
I would like to thank all you thoughtful GOPers for showing me the error of my ways.
FYNQ. It's not that you don't know, it's just all wrong. Posted by: nip at May 20, 2019 01:15 PM (DfGpI) 354
208 Neither Levin's book nor Stern's book is on the NYT bestseller list.
But Michelle Obama, Jill Biden, and Melinda Gates are. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2019 12:42 PM (Boy/L) ______ Nor Dennis Prager's latest Rational Bible commentary installment (or its predecessor), which were both Amazon best-sellers. Posted by: ShainS -- Adversity Score = -1600 (full Self-Reliance penalty) at May 20, 2019 01:15 PM (qz4/O) Posted by: McLurkerson at May 20, 2019 01:17 PM (ETHQn) 356
I think some of the condemnations of libertarians here are overly broad. For example, there are some who are just idiotic kids with stupid ideas, or potheads who think prostitution needs to be legal and borders totally open. But in the past, at least, based on the libertarians I knew, their main concern was the vast encroachment on personal liberties by the federal and local governments and a desire for greater freedom.
Sure, almost all of them were focused on pot, but a lot were also focused on taxes (calling ALL of it theft universally). But I also think most of those people are out of the party or are becoming out numbered by leftists these days. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 20, 2019 01:24 PM (39g3+) Posted by: nip at May 20, 2019 01:26 PM (DfGpI) 358
Chink money interfering in U.S. politics.
A good comment from Insty's by 'Montgomery Draxel'... Amash just loves China, it's a real libertarian paradise. You can pay workers pennies, dump chemicals directly in the ocean, and not just fire anyone for any reason - you can have them killed. He brags that we send them money for cheaply made trinkets while we shell out massive amounts of welfare benefits to all the people displaced and unemployed via offshoring. I wonder if he would like to debate about the eventual costs the US and other nations will have to clean up the ocean from China's complete lack of regulation? Think of it as Adam Smith's invisible cancer. Libertarianism is political autism and Amash is one of its final bosses. Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2019 01:26 PM (Dh1wo) 359
357 Romney/Ryan 2012!
Speaker Ryan 2016! Posted by: nip at May 20, 2019 01:26 PM (DfGpI) Paging William Weld....paging William Weld. We have learned the hard way about phony Republicans. Why cannot you see the phony "Libertarians"? Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 20, 2019 01:36 PM (ujg0T) 360
#344
Morality certain has a part in law. It is a huge part of what defines a society and what a sensible society pursues. This is where even "l"inertarians are off the rails. They basically want no government Some libertarians literally want no government. They often call themselves "anarcho-capitalists" (sometimes "ancaps" for short). My own natural conservative tendencies say that we shouldn't be the first people to try running a whole country under the ancap ideas... and those ideas have literally never been tried in the history of the world. Government would have no army or navy, but people would pay insurance companies "anti-invasion insurance" and those companies would have their own armed forces? Are ancaps kidding? (Spoiler: they aren't kidding.) As a libertarian who believes in a small government, I can point to a country that tried the ideas I want to see implemented. It is the USA, in its early days. The Federal government was small and did little. No income tax, no welfare or other entitlements. It worked, really well, for a long time. And I'm not an idiot, so as long as there are any government handouts at all I want controls on immigration. I'm not 100% on board with the idea of unlimited free immigration, but I don't spend much time thinking about it because our country is so far from being a libertarian small-government country. And unless we get magical Utopian medical technology that makes all of us immune to all diseases, it's trivially obvious that we want control over who comes into the country to keep out people with horrible contagious diseases. But my standards are that for any law or any government program I would think "am I willing to send people to prison for breaking this?" I'm totally willing to send people to prison for treason or not paying their share of the national defense; I'm not willing to send people to prison for "victimless crimes" like smoking marijuana. I'm willing to send people to prison for not paying their taxes, but that means I'm not willing to spend taxes on things like art (and definitely not on "art" like a photo of a crucifix in a jar of urine). Posted by: mr_jack at May 20, 2019 01:47 PM (57l0O) 361
359-I do see.
It's members of the Party of McCain talking any shit that riles me up. I don't care about weed or running your life. I try to treat people the way I would like to be treated. Raised the kids Catholic. I realize the Church is run by men and men are fucked up. I like rules as guidelines. I also think Gov could stop right now with new laws and we would be fine. Instead we will get another thousand this year. I also don't like most people. I consider this the most stable site on the net. Still jerks here, me included. Posted by: nip at May 20, 2019 01:56 PM (DfGpI) 362
>>> People often define themselves by that which they are not. But it's not good to make a political alliance with those who specifically signal that they are good and wise because they are not Deplorable You. Never trust them, never rely on them, because the very heart of their ego and self-regard is spurning you and despising you.
Very good point. Did the left and the floppy left (ie GOPe and Libertarians) learn ANY useful political lessons from Game of Thrones? Posted by: LizLem at May 20, 2019 01:59 PM (hvf9s) 363
Very good point. Did the left and the floppy left
(ie GOPe and Libertarians) learn ANY useful political lessons from Game of Thrones? Posted by: LizLem at May 20, 2019 01:59 PM (hvf9s) ========================== MOR Dragons! Posted by: Dragonz-R-Us at May 20, 2019 02:08 PM (Pqytn) Posted by: McLurkerson at May 20, 2019 03:26 PM (ETHQn) 365
I got up to page 44 in the Mueller report. Meh. Life is too short.
One thing I learned: there were two Russian outfits who created fake online personas, and were successful in provoking some sucker rallies. I didn't see any extensive evidence that the info the fakers posted was false, or any more phony and ginned-up than our own "legitimate, domestic" political info is. Another thing I learned: these Russian outfits primarily wanted to defeat Hillary, not elect Trump, as evidenced by their support for Bernie. Here's something I know without reading any damn report: The widespread presence of false info, no matter what the source, does not invalidate our elections. All of our elections take place in a miasma of lies and disinformation from all parties, domestic and foreign, and always have. There's no way to prevent it, and if there was, the cure would be worse than the disease. So what the Russians did, as outlined in the report, strikes me as small potatoes, and the 2016 election results cannot be assailed on that basis. Posted by: gp aka Source Pee at May 20, 2019 04:00 PM (mk9aG) 366
Libertarianism is the reverse side of the Utopian coin, Socialism being the obverse.
They're both founded in a fundamental, unshakable misunderstanding of human nature. Posted by: aelfheld at May 20, 2019 04:31 PM (IxDhF) 367
Justin Amash "has deliberately misrepresented" chinese made tools as being made in USA.
Posted by: deplorably bonnie blue at May 20, 2019 07:25 PM (D5b2h) 368
What kind of libertarian denies an innocent man the right to curse the state?
Posted by: Buck Turgidson at May 20, 2019 09:03 PM (WDqR/) 369
Amash calls his Chinese tool company "Michigan Industrial Tools". Does China also have a state named Michigan? That's deceptive marketing.
He also claimed his tools were made in America. That's fraud. Ama$h is a me$$. Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 20, 2019 10:22 PM (Ndje9) Processing 0.07, elapsed 0.0788 seconds. |
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