Gun Thread: Happy Mother's Day! [Weasel]

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Kate "Ma" Barker c. 1932

Well today it seems fitting to pay tribute to the shooting Mom's in our lives. In fact, all the shooting 'ettes deserve a special day of their own, don't you think?! Ma Barker, pictured above, certainly fit the definition of a shooting mom... or did she? While there is some question regarding her level of participation in the "gang" bearing her name, some of her sons were unquestionably familiar with firearms. In any event, it's an interesting story, some of which is chronicled at the Oklahoma Historical Society's website, and Wikipedia even has some interesting things to say on the subject.

Unsolicited Opinion
Last week in the comments the topic of women shooters came up during a discussion of sports where neither men nor women had an inherent advantage over the other. The case in point was, as I recall, some male transgender wacko who was competing as a female and sweeping all the girl's weightlifting records. Since I find the whole transgender sports thing to be idiotic bullshit to begin with I do not propose to open that discussion again, but it did get me thinking about my personal experience instructing and coaching ladies in what is otherwise a male dominated sport; long-range competitive shooting.

I have had the honor and privilege of coaching some of the very best long-range shooters in the world, both men and women. I have also had the pleasure of introducing many new shooters, again, both male and female, to recreational target shooting. I have always held the opinion that women are much better students, regardless of experience, because they more readily accept instruction. It seems only the very best male shooters; those with years of experience and a very high degree of professionalism and dedication to the sport, have the same level of concentration, focus and willingness to accept instruction as the ladies possess naturally from day one.

I have also observed that women seem to handle the stress of competition much better, too. One important aspect of a coach's job is deciding when a promising shooter is ready to move up and compete in an important national or international level competition. Match shooting may not seem like a particularly stressful activity, but depending on the circumstances there can be an enormous amount of pressure on everyone involved. Much of the needed focus is gained through experience, but no matter how experienced they may be, some shooters never seem to get a handle on it. Stress, and a shooter's response to it, always plays a critical part in their ability to perform when it counts and you're not going to have a good day as a team if one member is coming unglued on the firing line. Developing new team shooters always includes a critical assessment of their ability to control themselves and perform steadily when under a significant amount of pressure, and women almost never seem to have a problem in this regard.

So having said all of that and to answer a question that no one really asked, I think women shooters, especially as beginners, have an advantage over the men. Plus, they usually smell better and are nicer to look at, too. So to all the ladies out there, Moms and otherwise, I hope you had a great day. We love you!

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Well now let's see what else there is to talk about:


Here's a short article from NRA Shooting Sports on choosing an AR15 Match Barrel. While most people will buy a complete rifle, or a complete upper, there are those who build their own and need to have at least a starting point for discussion with their gunsmith. The article gives you a few points to think about.

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Here's a series of articles from Shooting Sports USA on the history of the National Smallbore Outdoor Rifle Championships:
Part 1: The Seed is Planted
Part 2: The Roaring Twenties
Part 3: The Depression and Wartime
Part 4: Post War Reorganization

I was lucky enough to attend the National Fullbore Matches at Camp Perry one year before the NRA kicked the F-Class shooters out. Camp Perry is an amazing place to shoot, and you can feel the history just being on one of the ranges, each of which being named for a Medal of Honor recipient. I recommend anyone who shoots in one of the divisions still holding their national championship there to go at least once in your life. Even if you're a casual shooter, it's the experience of a lifetime.

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Here's a Guns America Review on Bushnell Spotting Scopes. If you're a serious shooter, or birdwatcher, or peeping Tom, you need a spotting scope. The quality of the optics is clearly the most important factor, but you don't always have to spend a fortune to get good glass. If you're considering one, look around at your local range to see what brands others are using and ask questions on how much they like what they have, and more importantly if they would buy the same one again.

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Undesirable Outcome


Following up on our recent reloading series, this week's entry comes from our pal Blake who was recently at the range when someone nearby had a bad day. Blake explains:

This happened today, it's from a Glock chambered in 40 S&W, I believe. The reload blew out the bottom side of the case and the magazine went flying out of the gun. Fortunately, the shooter wasn't hurt, other than a powder burn on his hand along with a small blister. Best guess: The defect in the case was missed during the reloading process, though one of our very experienced shooters says that Winchester brass is known to be brittle.

Looking at the case, I'd say there was a defect somewhere! Either in the powder charge, or in the case itself, or both. If you look carefully, you can see a ring just above the case head and the rupture occurred along this line. You will normally see this in rifle cartridges which have been reloaded many times and are nearing a case head failure. The brass has stretched and become weakened from multiple firings, and this line is your indication the brass no longer safe to use. The ring could also simply have been caused by the overpressure against the chamber wall when it ruptured due to an excessive powder charge. It's difficult to say without inspecting the case. At any rate - pay attention to what you are doing at the reloading bench! This could have easily caused much more significant damage to the shooter's hand and the gun.

Thanks for sending this in, Blake!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 First!

Posted by: Uncle Si at May 12, 2019 07:01 PM (F7vOh)

2 Second?

Posted by: Grannymimi at May 12, 2019 07:04 PM (u5LFV)

3 hello!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 12, 2019 07:04 PM (sy5kK)

4 Third?

Posted by: Grannymimi at May 12, 2019 07:04 PM (u5LFV)

5 Howdy y'all! Welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

6 Is everybody still doing the foodie thing?

Posted by: Grannymimi at May 12, 2019 07:05 PM (u5LFV)

7 Intimidating empty comment section. Not sure how to respond.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2019 07:05 PM (MIKMs)

8 Don't know about other MoMe's, but the chef yesterday at the PacNWMoMe was also our armed security.


Somehow, it's appropriate.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 12, 2019 07:05 PM (sy5kK)

9 I once tried to reload .38 special cases to .357 pressures. The case on the first round I fired blew out like that. I threw the whole box in the river which was nearby.

Posted by: Vic at May 12, 2019 07:06 PM (mpXpK)

10 Pew! Pew!

Posted by: Emmie at May 12, 2019 07:07 PM (4HMW8)

11 Little LCD is here, so off to see Granny (my mom) for Mother's day.

Have a great day / evening, everyone!


and thanks Weasel for another great thread.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 12, 2019 07:08 PM (sy5kK)

12 I once tried to reload .38 special cases to .357 pressures. The case on the first round I fired blew out like that. I threw the whole box in the river which was nearby.


Posted by: Vic at May 12, 2019 07:06 PM (mpXpK)
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Sometimes a surprisingly small increase in powder can cause a yuuuge spike in the pressure profile. There is a lot going on inside those cartridges!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

13 The blowout on that case was more like a "powdering" though instead of a puncture.

Posted by: Vic at May 12, 2019 07:08 PM (mpXpK)

14 Gugs for gubs sake! Hallelujah!

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2019 07:08 PM (qBNEP)

15 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 12, 2019 07:08 PM (sy5kK)
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Thanks! See ya, LCD!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

16 isn't the rear edge of a Glock case partially unsupported?

that would make it easier for a weak case to blow out.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:09 PM (MasTK)

17 I have read that Glock .40 pistols are essentially a 9 mm frame with a .40 barrel dropped in, and that to accommodate the loading ramp for the .40, there is a larger area of unsupported cartridge case head when the pistol is in battery. Glock recommends not using reloads in their .40 caliber handguns for this reason.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 12, 2019 07:10 PM (t5m5e)

18 Weasel. are you sure that's Ma Barker? Looks like Curly of Three Stooges, but with hair.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2019 07:11 PM (qBNEP)

19 isn't the rear edge of a Glock case partially unsupported?

that would make it easier for a weak case to blow out.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:09 PM (MasTK)
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Could be! I'm not really that familiar with Glocks... more of a Sig guy.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

20 I once tried to reload .38 special cases to .357 pressures. The case on the first round I fired blew out like that. I threw the whole box in the river which was nearby.

Posted by: Vic at May 12, 2019 07:06 PM (mpXpK)
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quitter: disassemble them with your kinetic hammer and reload using the proper powder charge.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:11 PM (MasTK)

21 Weasel, there was a radio interview with the lady that founded "Girls with Guns".

They have affiliates nation wide now.

The website is girlswithguns. com

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:11 PM (iEuxk)

22 lol @ Ma Barker! Is s/he transitioning?

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2019 07:12 PM (9xfh1)

23 I think the Barker's were fond of the BAR. Not only did it give them overwhelming fire power against the coppers, the acronym is in their name.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 07:12 PM (2DOZq)

24 Weasel. are you sure that's Ma Barker? Looks like Curly of Three Stooges, but with hair.


Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2019 07:11 PM (qBNEP)
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That's what the Gun Thread Research Staff sent me to use!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

25 Went to the range yesterday with AltonJackson et fils. Sighted in the flip-up irons on the SIGM400 at 50yd thanks to an ingenious mechanical device proved by AltonJackson (bench rest). Hit paper a couple of times with the PPS and VP9 at 25yd, which is not bad by my standards.

Then guitars and tacos.

Is anyone familiar with the Appleseed Project shoots? I haven't heard much about them except that I think my dad did one a few years ago. Anyone been to one?

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 07:13 PM (RHDdi)

26 It was long ago but do remember before reloading spent brass was overlooked very carefully for cracks or any undesirable defects.

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2019 07:14 PM (BbGew)

27 21 Weasel, there was a radio interview with the lady that founded "Girls with Guns".

They have affiliates nation wide now.

The website is girlswithguns. com

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:11 PM (iEuxk)
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Do they need a coach?

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

28 hogmartin, Steck is very involved with them.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:14 PM (iEuxk)

29 24
Weasel. are you sure that's Ma Barker? Looks like Curly of Three Stooges, but with hair.





Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2019 07:11 PM (qBNEP)

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That's what the Gun Thread Research Staff sent me to use!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

That is Ma Barker per the image search I just did.

Posted by: Vic at May 12, 2019 07:15 PM (mpXpK)

30 Is anyone familiar with the Appleseed Project shoots? I haven't heard much about them except that I think my dad did one a few years ago. Anyone been to one?

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 07:13 PM (RHDdi)
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I've never been to one, but I have consistently heard good things about them.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

31 The website is girlswithguns. com
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:11 PM (iEuxk)


This website doesn't appear to be active.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 07:16 PM (RHDdi)

32 Well, she sure looks like she could make a mean biskit.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2019 07:16 PM (qBNEP)

33 Weasel, I will get ahold of the founder as she lives here in TX.

I will email you when I have more info.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:16 PM (iEuxk)

34 Nobody ever talks about Pa Barker, not even on Father's Day.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 12, 2019 07:16 PM (t5m5e)

35 Ma Barker looks like Ann Ramsey from Throw Momma From The Train.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 07:17 PM (2DOZq)

36 Weasel, I will get ahold of the founder as she lives here in TX.

I will email you when I have more info.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:16 PM (iEuxk)
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I was just teasing - I'm mostly retired now!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

37 I'm not easily intimidated, but see that Ma Barker? I wouldn't mess with xer. Xe looks like a psychotic Mother Superior.

Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2019 07:17 PM (9xfh1)

38 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Barker
Interesting reading

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2019 07:18 PM (BbGew)

39 hogmartin , I have another place to check.

The lady was on the outdoor show that is on our local station and I can get ahold of him.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:18 PM (iEuxk)

40 34 Nobody ever talks about Pa Barker, not even on Father's Day.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 12, 2019 07:16 PM (t5m5e)
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Ha! I was wondering about Pa Barker after seeing the picture of Ma.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

41 I opened up the gun thread and laughed like crazy when I saw the picture of Ma Barker! Thanks for tying Mother's Day into the gun thread, Weasel. I think.

Posted by: bluebell at May 12, 2019 07:18 PM (aXucN)

42 38 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Barker
Interesting reading

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2019 07:18 PM (BbGew)
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I know, right?

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

43 Happy Mothers Day, and a hat tip to Lyudmila Pavlichenko, Soviet sniper during WWII with 309 confirmed kills.
The USSR had some deadly women.

Posted by: navybrat, occasional commentater at May 12, 2019 07:19 PM (w7KSn)

44 "I have also observed that women seem to handle the stress of competition much better, too. "

Said no one who ever coached women at shooting pool. Or I suspect many other skill sports.

Posted by: Wtp at May 12, 2019 07:19 PM (WQfDg)

45 I opened up the gun thread and laughed like crazy when I saw the picture of Ma Barker! Thanks for tying Mother's Day into the gun thread, Weasel. I think.


Posted by: bluebell at May 12, 2019 07:18 PM (aXucN)
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I was pretty pleased with myself for thinking of it!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

46 Weasel, maybe she would like to come to a MoMe.

There are two other ladies that have been trying to make it that are match shooters.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:20 PM (iEuxk)

47 Hogmartin, hi! I'm an Appleseed instructor, going to our Waco TX event next weekend.


Whatcha want to know?

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 07:21 PM (LlRQB)

48 Weasel, maybe she would like to come to a MoMe.

There are two other ladies that have been trying to make it that are match shooters.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:20 PM (iEuxk)
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by all means - the more the merrier!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

49 agirlandagun.org


might be the website you two are looking for

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 07:22 PM (LlRQB)

50 Anybody else remember the lady/actress who looked like a sweet oldster -- I think that awful Honey show had her directing her young men how to lay down on fake accidents and training in a gym. That same actress sure seemed to be model for Rockwell 'Saying Grace'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2019 07:22 PM (MIKMs)

51 No rifles this week, just my carry revolver and pistols which I try to shoot every other week or so.

First up I shot my carry Taurus PT709 Slim in 9mm. Good shooter, accurate and easy to handle. Plus can fit in your pocket with a pocket holster if you want to.

Then I shot my ankle gun, a S & W 642 Airweight in .38 Special. I carry it in an ankle holster as a back up. Has the concealed hammer and barks like a bulldog but a decent shooter and good for a trigger workout.

Last is my briefcase gun, my Star Firestar in 9mm. Old skool, all steel and feels like a mini 1911. Good shooter and very accurate.

I like to shoot my carry stuff often and after so many years they are like old friends to me.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2019 07:23 PM (Z+IKu)

52 just checked Resident 3vil's G-17...

pretty much the whole rear of the case is unsupported, right about where you see that rupture.

i remember reading low number Springfields, and the theory that part of the problem was bad ammo being fired with the rear of the case being only partially supported.

might be the same thing here...

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:23 PM (MasTK)

53 Steck, Thank You, That is probably it. I heard the clip at about 4:30 in the am before coffee.

Hope you both are well.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:24 PM (iEuxk)

54 i remember reading low number Springfields, and the theory that part of the problem was bad ammo being fired with the rear of the case being only partially supported.

might be the same thing here...

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:23 PM (MasTK)
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Could be - I was leaning more to an overcharge as the cause, but case head separation isn't unheard of.
And absolutely correct on the cartridge base being partially unsupported in the '03's.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

55 by women, for women

https://divawow.org/

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:27 PM (MasTK)

56 Hogmartin, hi! I'm an Appleseed instructor, going to our Waco TX event next weekend.

Whatcha want to know?
Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 07:21 PM (LlRQB)


*waves*

Hello, there! Just wondering if anyone had done one, and what it's like. It seems to be geared towards first-time rifle shooters, but I don't want to assume that, and I wouldn't want to assume that I couldn't learn something from it.

It just came to mind when Weasel mentioned training new shooters, and I was wondering if it would be a worthwhile field report for a gun thread.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 07:28 PM (RHDdi)

57 Good evening Weasel. I see what you mean about that blown out case. What appears to be that stress ring should never have been reloaded.

I think I've heard of Glock not fully supporting the case. Another reason I like revolvers. :-)

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 07:28 PM (bmdz3)

58 So having said all of that and to answer a question that no one really asked, I think women shooters, especially as beginners, have an advantage over the men.

*****

The range supervisor and coach at the shooting club I go to in Tacoma, the same guy who discovered the talent my granddaughter has, agrees with you.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2019 07:29 PM (0tfLf)

59 Good evening Weasel. I see what you mean about that blown out case. What appears to be that stress ring should never have been reloaded.

I think I've heard of Glock not fully supporting the case. Another reason I like revolvers. :-)

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 07:28 PM (bmdz3)
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Yep - see how the rupture occurred right on that line? But it could have just as easily been the back of the chamber that imprinted on the brass when it failed. Hard to tell.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

60 Hogmartin, hi! I'm an Appleseed instructor, going to our Waco TX event next weekend.

Whatcha want to know?


I've been wanting to do one of these for a while now. What is a good rifle to take the course with? I have an A2-ish AR and a CMMG .22LR kit for same. Also have a 10/22 but it has like 8 lbs on it (maybe exaggerating, not going to to try to weigh it just for comment accuracy). I could probably borrow a stock 10/22 if that would be better.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 07:31 PM (qc+VF)

61 So having said all of that and to answer a question that no one really asked, I think women shooters, especially as beginners, have an advantage over the men.
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The range supervisor and coach at the shooting club I go to in Tacoma, the same guy who discovered the talent my granddaughter has, agrees with you.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2019 07:29 PM (0tfLf)


In my extremely limited experience, people from countries with very restrictive gun control who aren't familiar with guns but are interested in them also take to training well. They know what they don't know and are paying attention to the instructions. The highest scoring recruit in my boot camp division was from England and had never held a weapon before.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 07:32 PM (RHDdi)

62 s/8 pounds/8 pounds of barrel/

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 07:33 PM (qc+VF)

63 Ben, thanks, we're good!


Hogmartin, Appleseed is *fundamentals* rather than beginner. All sorts of experienced shooters come, and learn something.



You get to hear some Revolutionary War history during the breaks, too. Michigan has some great storytellers.

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 07:34 PM (LlRQB)

64 Hi Steck - I'd be happy to do a Q&A thread on Appleseed if you're interested. Just send me an email and we can work it out. Of course you're also welcome to discuss and answer questions here too!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

65 Appleseed is good training for anyone, unless you are an expert.

it's also handy if you've developed bad habits over the years.

some of the instructors are better than others, but that's the same everywhere, for everything.

i was having a bad weekend the day we went, and wasn't well anyway.

my "coach" refused to focus on one thing at a time, and kept trying to correct everything i was doing "wrong" at once, and it was frustrating.

shooting at the stupid 25 yard targets sucked too. i routinely qualled expert all my years in uniform, except, of course, on the simulated 25 meter course.

they are NOT the same thing as shooting for real.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:34 PM (MasTK)

66 Cartridge case base blowouts like the one illustrated can be the result of multiple factors. An unsupported case in the chamber of the pistol is usually a prerequisite, but can be aggravated by abusive cleaning and sizing.

Posted by: 10x25mm at May 12, 2019 07:35 PM (oVNRG)

67 Great Ma Barker intro.
My dad let me shoot his 30-30 when I was a kid, the first weapon I ever fired. But it was my mom who taught me how to shoot.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2019 07:35 PM (0tfLf)

68 If you want a woman and mother who was a good shot I give you Violette Szabo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violette_Szabo

Posted by: Abzod at May 12, 2019 07:36 PM (dHzE8)

69 Have I been to the range?

Hmm, evidence says, "Yes."

Shot an IDPA match yesterday that was reminiscent of my golfing, in that I tore up the first part of the match and the second part of the match tore me up.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at May 12, 2019 07:37 PM (WEBkv)

70 Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 07:32 PM (RHDdi)
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That's interesting. I know a lot of my overseas shooting buddies have a miserable time with reloading and sourcing components.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

71 all my bitching aside, Appleseed is a good place to spend time. i just had a shitty time, that time.

might go again soon, since i' a whole lot healthier.

still have all the bad habits too.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:37 PM (MasTK)

72 Bob the Bilderburg, your AR sounds like mine (maybe 15-18 pounds overall.) My conversion kit was pretty jam-tastic but otherwise made for a good Appleseed time.



Bob, HogMartin, many Appleseed events are *not* .22-only, if you'd rather shoot something else. That said, my choice of M-1 for my very first Appleseed was... sub-optimal (though it was all I had at the time IIRC.)

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 07:37 PM (LlRQB)

73 Happy Mothers Day, and a hat tip to Lyudmila Pavlichenko, Soviet sniper during WWII with 309 confirmed kills.
The USSR had some deadly women.
Posted by: navybrat, occasional commentater at May 12, 2019 07:19 PM (w7KSn)

My first company commander in the Army met his wife in the late unpleasantness in former Yugoslavia. She was Croatian and had been a sharpshooter in some paramilitary unit. I saw her a couple of times and she looked like an ordinary homemaker but I understand she had more kills than syphilis.

Posted by: Vanya at May 12, 2019 07:38 PM (U7voe)

74 hogmartin, funny you should mention that. On the same program they did the winners of the Dallas Safari Club's Exteme Women Hunters. The winner was from Slovakia and a finalist was from Sweden.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:38 PM (iEuxk)

75 54 ... "And absolutely correct on the cartridge base being partially unsupported in the '03's."

I have a low number '03. I've fired regular 30-06 ammo with it with no problem but that was decades ago. Now I only use it for low pressure cast bullet reloads. Very accurate out to about 150 yards and comfortable to shoot, even with that soft steel butt plate.

I believe the 'problem' with the low number '03s was greatly exaggerated and Col. Whelan's (sp?) tests confirmed that. But it became gospel for some reason among the shooting fraternity.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 07:39 PM (bmdz3)

76 Happy Mothers Day, and a hat tip to Lyudmila Pavlichenko, Soviet sniper during WWII with 309 confirmed kills. 
The USSR had some deadly women.
******
They're killer dillers when there dressed to the 'ilt.

Posted by: Thanatopsis at May 12, 2019 07:40 PM (KaKIg)

77 gotta go do some yard w*rk and start getting dinner ready.

it's a w*rk night for herself, and i gotta run all over LA dealing with my Dad being ill, so i can get him into City of Hope ASAP.

BIAB, or maybe the ONT...

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:40 PM (MasTK)

78 Hogmartin, Appleseed is *fundamentals* rather than beginner. All sorts of experienced shooters come, and learn something.

You get to hear some Revolutionary War history during the breaks, too. Michigan has some great storytellers.
Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 07:34 PM (LlRQB)


I may have to check one out. The nearest ones this summer seem to be 60 miles in one direction or 70 in the other. Fundamentals training never hurts. Likewise unlearning bad habits like redc1c4 mentioned. Like front sights on pistols. When did they start adding those? Does everyone know about pistol front sights? Why haven't I noticed them before? Those things are a game-changer.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 07:41 PM (RHDdi)

79 the yard w*rk, of course, is just an excuse to crack open a few brewskis...

as if i needed an excuse.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2019 07:41 PM (MasTK)

80 I believe the 'problem' with the low number '03s was greatly exaggerated and Col. Whelan's (sp?) tests confirmed that. But it became gospel for some reason among the shooting fraternity.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 07:39 PM (bmdz3)
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I shoot mine all the time. We had a Gun Thread on them last fall sometime. I love that rifle.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

81 Bob the Bilderburg, your AR sounds like mine (maybe 15-18 pounds overall.) My conversion kit was pretty jam-tastic but otherwise made for a good Appleseed time.

Sorry, unclear on my part. It's the 10/22 that has the bull barrel. It also has no sling swivels so maybe not good for position shooting, which I gather is what they teach at Appleseed. The AR is plain jane except for the #4 shot filling the compartment in the butt stock.

I haven't had any problems with the CMMG kit yet but I haven't used it all that much so far. Not so bueno with Federal 711B but no problems with any high-vel ammo so far.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 07:42 PM (qc+VF)

82 That Ma Barker was a real "looker"!

Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at May 12, 2019 07:43 PM (EgshT)

83 Bluebell, Weasel, Ben Had and Muad'dib!

Thank you so much for your support!

We had a lovely day out in Yakima. Mark is a rock star on the grill and we had the most excellent folks you can imagine. So glad we did it!

Thank y'all for your encouragement and donations.

Xo
Smooches!

And, Oregon Muse, if you're around, I love you and your wife. Thank you for coming out,

Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 07:43 PM (PkVlr)

84 the yard w*rk, of course, is just an excuse to crack open a few brewskis...

as if i needed an excuse.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May

*****

Sitting on my tailgate sipping a single malt and working thru a Romeo Y Julieta and looking at my yard. Just cleaned my Israeli Baby Eagle.
Ahhh...mom's day!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2019 07:44 PM (0tfLf)

85 I believe the 'problem' with the low number '03s was greatly exaggerated and Col. Whelan's (sp?) tests confirmed that. But it became gospel for some reason among the shooting fraternity.
Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 07:39 PM (bmdz3)

Be careful! This guy had one blow up in his face on the last round......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PaHP7XDTtU

Always wear you safety glasses.......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2019 07:46 PM (Z+IKu)

86 Went shooting Wed and today.

a lot of testing on Wed. afterwards I tried my MP15 at 200 yards for the first time. 5 shots, 3 hits! And the 3 hits were a 6" group. The other 2 shots... who knows.

Actually first time I tried shooting *anything* over 100 yards. Amazing how well those little peep sights work.

Today... Well, I shot the pistol (S&W victory) well. The .22 rifle was mystery all of a sudden. The scope settings that seemed to be right on last month were shooting way off today.

It had been shooting RIGHT ON at the 55 yard target. When it set the Elevation and Windage dials to what it was before, I was consistently and high and to the right. I had to move down 12 clicks and left 6 to get it to zero again. Then when I went to the 100 yard target and made the appropriate adjustment to elevation (that had worked before) I was shooting 3 inches low.

The scope *had* been holding its zero well - today it seems like it wasn't holding it at all.

Then I tested more brands of ammo in the MP15. I don't think I've found one that stands out so I think I'll buy a lot of cheap stuff until I start shooting it better.

Posted by: ArthurK at May 12, 2019 07:46 PM (ID6eK)

87 I'm crushed that I missed the MoMe.
But Mrs D and I had a great Anniversary and it looks like we're going to do a city tour of Boston.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2019 07:46 PM (0tfLf)

88 I'll take Faye Dunaway.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 07:47 PM (kHyP8)

89 Nurse, give us a few more details, Please.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:47 PM (iEuxk)

90 82 That Ma Barker was a real "looker"!
Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at May 12, 2019 07:43 PM (EgshT)

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Meh. She was no Chelsea Manning.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2019 07:48 PM (4knXT)

91 About the kaboomed case.


Don't own a .40, don't own a Glock - but isn't that combo semi-famous for this sort of failure - unsupported case when chambered, something like that? Obviously any case can fail, but I thought there was a particular isue with the .4O/Glock combo?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 07:48 PM (QDnY+)

92 Almost forgot. Happy Mothers Day for all the pistol packin' mamas out there.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 07:48 PM (bmdz3)

93 "tress, and a shooter's response to it, always plays a critical part in their ability to perform when it counts and you're not going to have a good day as a team if one member is coming unglued on the firing line. Developing new team shooters always includes a critical assessment of their ability to control themselves and perform steadily when under a significant amount of pressure, and women almost never seem to have a problem in this regard."

My understanding is that men and women have different adrenal responses to stress. Men get their hit immediately, while women get theirs up to five minutes later. A male that hasn't learned to cope with the adrenal hit is going to have a tougher time at it than a woman. But, they can eventually learn how to deal with.

I am uncertain if adrenaline has any benefit for shooting.

Posted by: JSchuler at May 12, 2019 07:49 PM (ySdHR)

94 Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 07:43 PM (PkVlr)
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Glad to hear you all had a great time!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

95 all my bitching aside, Appleseed is a good place to spend time. i just had a shitty time, that time.

Posted by: redc1c4



Hope you give it another crack!

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 07:50 PM (LlRQB)

96 Ben Had,

What goes on at a MoMe, stays at the MoMe.

It was absolutely wonderful. Hot and sunny and gorgeous. We had a croquet course set up, lawn darts ( the real ones with steel tips), corn hole, bubbles and loads of laughter and jokes.

I'm so fortunate to have found this place.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 07:50 PM (PkVlr)

97 And moonshine.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 07:51 PM (PkVlr)

98 Posted by: JSchuler at May 12, 2019 07:49 PM (ySdHR)
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Excellent point! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

99 Not to go too far off topic but while y'all were eating that poor dead chicken I was watching chris wallace and Sir Lawrence Kudlow.

Those funny little eyebrows of Wallace's are distracting.

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL YOU MOTHERS AND MRS. WEASEL TOO.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2019 07:51 PM (xj2l7)

100 Nurse, sounds wonderful. Are you starting to plan for #2?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:52 PM (iEuxk)

101 Aha - I see the gunz-wise Horde long ago noted the Glock/.40 combo thinggy. Thought it might, but dove right in with a comment without checking.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 07:52 PM (QDnY+)

102 Ben Had,

Yep!!!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 07:53 PM (PkVlr)

103 I may have to check one out. The nearest ones this summer seem to be 60 miles in one direction or 70 in the other.

Posted by: hogmartin




Hogmartin, I'll generally stay overnight and camp / sleep in the truck / whatever if it's more than an hour or so away. (That said, there's nothing like a hot shower in the morning.)

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 07:54 PM (LlRQB)

104 Matches lined up:

Next Saturday: Steel Challenge..which is an old indian word for "miss a lot of shots really really fast and burn through a lot of ammo."

Saturday after: M1 Garand match. Woot!

Then, June 1, Rifle/Pistol match sponsored by the 82nd Airborne, retired. First ever match they've done, I don't think they have any idea what they are getting in to and I hope it does well so they do more of them.

Hopefully, real life doesn't get in the way.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at May 12, 2019 07:54 PM (WEBkv)

105 Hogmartin, hi! I'm an Appleseed instructor, going to our Waco TX event next weekend.

Whatcha want to know?

****
What is this all about? Ive been looking for a reason to head to Waco

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2019 07:54 PM (XROPS)

106 Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 07:48 PM (QDnY+)
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Really? Well that ain't good! Now that you all mention it I'm sort of remembering hearing something along the same lines.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

107 We had folks from all over Washington State and Oregon.

One of the Horde drove five hours ONE WAY, to meet us!!!

Amazing people.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 07:54 PM (PkVlr)

108 Weasel and Blake:
I don't know if this has been covered, but Glock specifically says not to shoot reloads in the factory barrels. The chamber does not completely support the round; the result is that you get an expansion on the bottom of the case. I couldn't figure out what was going on with my g21 .45 reloads, since they would not chamber all the way, so the slide would not go into battery.
I bought SS rifled, fully supported bbls from Wolf in which to shoot reloads - not a problem since.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 07:54 PM (kHyP8)

109 Late to the Gun thread. Had a good day even in the rain yesterday. Ran our first Service Rifle shoot under the new *spit* laws. If went well as all the 100 year old bolt actions banged away. Must refine the timings again as the bolt actions just cannot reload as quick as you like to think so. I decided to handicap myself further by using a single shot rifle . Well it did handicap me as a posted the lowest score I have every shot. Oh well lesson learnt.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 12, 2019 07:55 PM (bgJ0E)

110 I don't believe you can say with any authority that the stress of a shooting competition is more naturally or better handled by males or females. It really has more to do with the individual personalities and grounding. I have one who is cool as a cucumber and. Can beat most males on the range. I laugh when she plays like she's ignorant, let's guys who her shooting tips and acts like she can't shoot... then starts putting them dead center in the first few rounds. But then, she has a father who has taught her to be cool under fire, breath, concentrate, have SI and all the other techniques. Oh yeah, and how to bust balls or throat punch if necessary...

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2019 07:55 PM (VkWRL)

111 The scope *had* been holding its zero well - today it seems like it wasn't holding it at all.

Sounds like a mounting issue but you probably should not be getting that kind of inconsistency between range sessions. Hopefully the scope doesn't have any internal defects.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 12, 2019 07:55 PM (EgshT)

112 Ive been looking for a reason to head to Waco

Now there's a combination of words that one doesn't see in that order very often.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 07:55 PM (qc+VF)

113
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL YOU MOTHERS AND MRS. WEASEL TOO.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2019 07:51 PM (xj2l7)
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Thanks! I'll pass that along!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

114 When I was a liddy biddy bouy I witnessed my mom shoot a whole in the center of a target using a 22 High Standard; she then proceeded to shoot another round through that hole.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2019 07:57 PM (xj2l7)

115 Hogmartin, I'll generally stay overnight and camp / sleep in the truck / whatever if it's more than an hour or so away. (That said, there's nothing like a hot shower in the morning.)
Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 07:54 PM (LlRQB)


Well if it doesn't start until 8am or so, I can drive in no trouble. How many days is it, and what is the schedule like? Or does it depend on the organizers? I could probably look at the website, but I figure you're here and other people sound interested too.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 07:58 PM (RHDdi)

116 100 Nurse, sounds wonderful. Are you starting to plan for #2?
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:52 PM (iEuxk)
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Ben Had will probably warn you on invitations - I keep showing up!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

117 Nurse, it is a very fine you all have done and a member of the Horde is a special person.

This will sustain you through a bunch of those lib fvcks.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 07:59 PM (iEuxk)

118 Stress, and a shooter's response to it, always plays a critical part in their ability to perform when it counts and you're not going to have a good day as a team if one member is coming unglued on the firing line.

My oath. Had a mil shoot some time ago with a Army team. Our team were in the finals and doing very well. The last shooter was a older and reasonably experienced shooter. He normally would shot a 75 -80 per cent result in practice. His first team final. To win we only needed him to shoot a 49 percent score. We cocked up by telling him that, he shot 48.........

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 12, 2019 07:59 PM (bgJ0E)

119 Weasel,

I will be your personal chauffeur is you show up! And it will be nice to have another pistol packing Moron around!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 08:00 PM (PkVlr)

120 https://pbs.tw___.com/media/D6TXyNcW0AIgkjV.jpg:large

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 12, 2019 08:01 PM (kQs4Y)

121 What is this all about? Ive been looking for a reason to head to Waco
Posted by: LASue



LASue, here's what we've been yakking about


https://tinyurl.com/NextWaco


If you're interested in Waco for Magnolia (the Chip & Joanna Gaines joint) be aware that Magnolia is closed Sundays.

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 08:01 PM (LlRQB)

122 In my very small unscientific sample - fit only for UN global climate studies, not actual science - female new shooters have been easier to teach, and safer. Good friends (couple) at the range once. The wife, fine. Deliberate, asked questions, went slowly. My friend picked up the Model 66 and did a semi-auto supported grip on it - so his support hand is badly exposed to gases from the cylinder gap - and I fairly grabbed it from him, too fast to even anything first. He's got a major blustery know-it-all problem in situations where he knows zilch, so not totally out of character.


Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:03 PM (QDnY+)

123 Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 12, 2019 07:59 PM (bgJ0E)
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Aw, man! I know what you mean brother! I try and squad the new guys first so I have plenty of time to work with but sometimes everything just seems to go to shit.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

124 Did she eat her victims as well?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 12, 2019 08:04 PM (cXV7n)

125 Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 08:00 PM (PkVlr)
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Well that's very nice of you, but clearly my reputation hasn't quite preceded me!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

126 > 47 I'm an Appleseed instructor, ...

Whatcha want to know?
Posted by: Steck

Ummm, I had been planning to go the the Ft. Worth session on May 4th. When I checked the web page on May 2nd it wasn't there any more. Does this happen often?

Posted by: ArthurK at May 12, 2019 08:07 PM (ID6eK)

127 weasel > Match shooting may not seem like a particularly stressful activity, but depending on the circumstances there can be an enormous amount of pressure on everyone involved.

I'm with you on this one.

I've played football and basketball. Other than shooting free throws and kicking field goals, those are both mostly reactionary. Easy.

I imagine competitive shooting to be extremely stressful.

I've played golf for 50+ years. Considering the time between shots (in both golf and competitive shooting), the mental discipline to relax and to sloooooow things down is a hard thing to do in the heat of the moment.

Pressure will bust a pipe.

Pressure makes diamonds, too.

Training...

Posted by: golfman at May 12, 2019 08:07 PM (OE84+)

128 Well if it doesn't start until 8am or so, I can drive in no trouble. How many days is it, and what is the schedule like?

Posted by: hogmartin



Hogmartin, most are 2-day events with morning check-in at 830am. The speed varies with group size and skill level, of course, normally you'd expect to be done 5-ish each day. For someone totally new, there's a LOT to learn and instructors do their best to give some one-on-one time with every student.

You'd want to bring an open mind and a good attitude, plus of course food / water / hat / mat / rifle or 2 / GIsling / ammo.

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 08:08 PM (LlRQB)

129 For women and gunzz, and training, NRA has "Women on Target", available at many ranges and clubs. Have heard only good things. Check it out, female wannabe gun nutz.


Dunno if it's still going, but there was a website called CorneredCat that was run by a woman shooting professional, and it was very solid. For shooters of all 89 genders, not just women - but initially at least part of her mission was to demystify things and get women into gunzzz.


Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:08 PM (QDnY+)

130 Mrs. Red doesn't shoot much, but when she does, she's very competent. Doesn't try to muscle the gun.
She won't shoot long arms, just her Ruger SR 9 C and my 22/45 with a feather weight trigger I put in.

I will never piss her off. Well, much.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:09 PM (kHyP8)

131 Weasel, yep it goes to shit real fast. I had some mates visiting so I was looking after them a bit too much. An SAS mate, my little Marine mate and a Secret Service guy(a good dude). They had a ball with free rifles, ammo and no range fees as it was my range. Me not so much, as it is hard to shoot and run the range.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 12, 2019 08:09 PM (bgJ0E)

132 Oh. Just realized that is not Bonnie of Bonnie and Clyde.
I will still take Faye Dunaway.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:10 PM (kHyP8)

133 I dunno.


Competing on a four inch wide piece of wood four feet off the ground in Front of 10,000 people at a national meet was a little nerve wracking.

I love it when Mark breathes down my neck and pushes me to do better. He's a great coach!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 08:11 PM (PkVlr)

134
Shelley Winters playing Ma Barker is more frightening than Ma Barker. J. Edgar Hoover had to make her into some Mastermind to justify shooting her. According to a Barker Gang accomplice, she "couldn't plan breakfast."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 12, 2019 08:11 PM (X3lUd)

135
132 Oh. Just realized that is not Bonnie of Bonnie and Clyde.
I will still take Faye Dunaway.
Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:10 PM (kHyP

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FYI, the real Bonnie wasn't so hot either.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2019 08:12 PM (4knXT)

136 Just got done spending hours compiling new chrono and ballistics data, punching it into an app to spit out dope cards for various typical conditions, and printing hardcopy and stuffing into binders.


Of particular interest to those who have precision rifles - most good ballistic apps let you set up trajectory info for a given round with an offset built into the zero. What this means for non-competition shooters from a practical standpoint is that you can dial in your rifle for your chosen round - then go buy a half dozen other loads, see where they print relative to that (which often involves horizontal change in impact), then set up your software to tell you what to dial for that round *with the rifle zeroed for the initial round*

Pick your samples wisely, and you should be able to walk into most gun shops, grab a common match variety of your caliber of choice, and have a dope sheet ready to go on demand without having to zero for it.


This is not the sort of information you want to have to go out and gather the hard way when you suddenly find you need it.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at May 12, 2019 08:12 PM (67XdO)

137 I imagine competitive shooting to be extremely stressful.

I've played golf for 50+ years. Considering the time between shots (in both golf and competitive shooting), the mental discipline to relax and to sloooooow things down is a hard thing to do in the heat of the moment.


I don't golf but I've been told by some that do that bullseye type shooting (handgun or rifle) is very similar to the putting game in terms of being more a mental discipline than a physical skill.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 08:13 PM (qc+VF)

138 Reloaded more 30 carbine yesterday, that can's pretty full now. Sort of all reloaded-up, for the moment. Need to make more empty brass - which I should this week on my duty day at the range. Especially the 1866 repro/45 Colt, which I need to get used to so I can shoot the silhouette match next month.


And a 2-gun match next Sunday (centerfire rifle, shotgun). Considering going back to the Mosin, if I can get this one guy to bring his Enfield again. Otherwise, The Greatest Battle Implement Ever Devised, as usual (M1). And there's a handgun match the day before. Depending on weather in the kitchen, might do both ....


That will be mostly steel, some paper, probably go with the 1911.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:13 PM (QDnY+)

139 Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 12, 2019 08:09 PM (bgJ0E)
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I've found a lot of stress can be taken off the shooter if I walk them through what to expect from me in terms of calls and other instruction. I also emphasize that they need to tell me when they're ready and I pay a lot of attention to how they're managing their workload. If they start getting spastic I have them stop and regroup.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:14 PM (MVjcR)

140 122 In my very small unscientific sample - fit only for UN global climate studies, not actual science - female new shooters have been easier to teach, and safer.

Concur. I have literally trained or introduced 100's of Lumpy Solders and civvie females to rifle shooting and its true. Females tend to listen, concentrate and respond better than males. Males have pre-conceived ideas about weapons and compared to the ladies, just resist listening to detail and advice. I also enjoy my Joey Bidet moments with the ladies in teaching the standing unsupported position and "helping " with their stance.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 12, 2019 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)

141 is very similar to the putting game in terms of being more a mental discipline than a physical skill.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 08:13 PM (qc+VF)

You're telling me...

I haven't made a putt of consequence in 2 years.

Helps to see one go in once in a while.

Posted by: golfman at May 12, 2019 08:16 PM (OE84+)

142 In my experience it's easier to teach women to shoot safely and accurately, especially the complete newcomers. (Kids are in their own category.) They want to learn and will pay attention. Just have to be sure to keep recoil light and with reasonable barrel lengths. No snubbies to learn on. I prefer to start with single shot guns or revolvers. It's too easy for newbies to lose track of a cocked, loaded semi-auto. Eliminate all possible distractions and dangers while the student is internalizing the safety rules, sight picture and trigger discipline.

If I could, I would start most new shooters with muzzleloaders but most won't have the patience those guns require.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 08:17 PM (bmdz3)

143 Ummm, I had been planning to go the the Ft. Worth session on May 4th. When I checked the web page on May 2nd it wasn't there any more. Does this happen often?
Posted by: ArthurK




That doesn't happen often, no. Might've been related to the ridiculous amount of rain lately.

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 08:17 PM (LlRQB)

144 Past 100 for OT though its military related. The new Army uniforms. Looks like they are copying the Soviet Unions caps. They say that the new uniforms resemble our WWII uniforms. Were the cap peaks that big /tall ?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 08:18 PM (2DOZq)

145 90% of any challenge is recognizing when you are going spastic and knowing how to get back in the zone.
Especially sex.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:18 PM (kHyP8)

146 Thanks for another well-done gun thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2019 08:18 PM (NWiLs)

147 Wait a minute! She looks like Rosa Klebbs!

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:19 PM (kHyP8)

148 Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2019 08:18 PM (NWiLs)
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Thanks Insomniac!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:19 PM (MVjcR)

149 If I could, I would start most new shooters with muzzleloaders but most won't have the patience those guns require.
Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 08:17 PM (bmdz3)

Years ago I saw this guy that started new shooters with a shotgun with no bead. Learned em to point.

Posted by: golfman at May 12, 2019 08:20 PM (OE84+)

150 90% of any challenge is recognizing when you are going spastic and knowing how to get back in the zone.
Especially sex.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:18 PM (kHyP
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Yeah, well that only lasts a couple of minutes....

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

151 NZ Frank! I thought I was the only one doing Joey Bidet instruction!

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:21 PM (kHyP8)

152 >>What is this all about? Ive been looking for a reason to head to Waco
Posted by: LASue


LASue, here's what we've been yakking about


https://tinyurl.com/NextWaco


If you're interested in Waco for Magnolia (the Chip & Joanna Gaines joint) be aware that Magnolia is closed Sundays.
Posted by: Steck

I'm local. An impromptu meet up might be possible if there is any interest.

Posted by: Aviator at May 12, 2019 08:22 PM (2cuLk)

153 Anyone want a basic M16A1 and M16A2 sight zeroing refresher, Paul Harrell has one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHtEoRUakKk

Good info.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2019 08:22 PM (Z+IKu)

154 They say that the new uniforms resemble our WWII uniforms. Were the cap peaks that big /tall ?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 08:18 PM (2DOZq)

Yep.

They look like soldiers in the USAAC.

Posted by: golfman at May 12, 2019 08:22 PM (OE84+)

155 151 NZ Frank! I thought I was the only one doing Joey Bidet instruction!
Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:21 PM (kHyP

" Hummm your hair smells nice."

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 12, 2019 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)

156 Ummm, I had been planning to go the the Ft. Worth session on May 4th. When I checked the web page on May 2nd it wasn't there any more. Does this happen often?
Posted by: ArthurK



Wanted to add, some Appleseed shoots fill up very quickly (especially a smaller range in a bigger city e.g. Ft. Worth) so signing up ahead of time is highly recommended!

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 08:23 PM (LlRQB)

157 Pressure will bust a pipe.

Pressure makes diamonds, too.

Training...

Posted by: golfman at May 12, 2019 08:07 PM (OE84+)
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I try and stay as calm and relaxed as humanly possible on the outside, even though I'm about to have a stroke on the inside. It's the coaches job to manage the shooter. No one responds well to being yelled at by a raving lunatic!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

158 Pavlichenko actually went on a fund-raising/war bond tour to the US, which I find amazing. There's a so-so Russian movie about her (the actress is incredibly easy to watch, for some reason). Think she didn't survive the war.


Didn't know Violette Szabo was a good shot. Just heard of her recently, about her demise, mostly, in Hastings' book "Das Reich" about the 2nd SS Panzer's infamous march up from southern France to Normandy.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:23 PM (QDnY+)

159 Yeah, well that only lasts a couple of minutes....
Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:20 PM (MVjcR

Braggart.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:24 PM (kHyP8)

160 The best coaches for fullbore match shooting are farmers. Normally unfuckingflappable.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 12, 2019 08:25 PM (bgJ0E)

161 See above:
"Plus, they usually smell better and are nicer to look at, too."

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

162 I didn't put this in the gub thread last Sunday, I don't think.

Last Saturday Sra blaster and I went to the range for date night. She wanted to try out a new pistola because she wasn't really digging her (Valentine's Day gift!) Kel-tec PF9 anymore. Her birthday was coming up so she wanted to try a new one. I was thinking she would like the S ampersand W M ampersand P Shield 2.0.

Of course, what she fell in love with was a Sig P365, which was, ahem, pricier.

But nothing is too good for my baby, so she got a Sig,

It is a nice little shooter.

But then we went canoeing, and well, you know....

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2019 08:25 PM (ZfRYq)

163 But then we went canoeing, and well, you know....
Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2019 08:25 PM (ZfRYq)

If the canoe starts rockin', don't come a-knockin'!

Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2019 08:26 PM (NWiLs)

164 Just reading about Ma Barker yesterday, because DecadesTV was showing The Untouchables all weekend and I caught an episode about her.

Some controversy about whether she was the hardened criminal that the Feds portrayed her as, that she may have been little more than an accomplice to her children and not even likely to have been violent.

Some say the Feds made her out to be more dangerous than she was after they killed her in shooting into the house where the gang was holed up.


But the FBI wouldn't *MAKE SOMETHING UP*, now, would they?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2019 08:27 PM (oVJmc)

165 But then we went canoeing, and well, you know....

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2019 08:25 PM (ZfRYq)
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We need to have a national conversation on these damn canoes!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:27 PM (MVjcR)

166
The old WWII era Army uniforms were called "pinks and greens". The pants were sort of pink. I thought they were just khakis, but they had a slight shade of pink.

The new uniforms will be very similar, but not that pink shade.

I didn't know until I read, but they had phased out the "Army greens" uniform, and the main uniform above the combat gear because the "blue" uniform.

With the new "pinks and green", the blue uniform will go back to being the dress uniform and not the standard uniform.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 12, 2019 08:27 PM (f1Vqw)

167 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHtEoRUakKk

Good info.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2019 08:22 PM (Z+IKu)


Paul Harrell, lol, I've been to that meeting.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2019 08:28 PM (xj2l7)

168 I watch some shooting show on the Outdoor channel where they demonstrated the different shooting stances adopted by law enforcement agencies through each decade starting in the 50's. Interesting to say the least. Something that seems pretty straight forward changed at least five times.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 08:28 PM (2DOZq)

169 Well, there's the pair of stylish shooters from Highlands Ranch STEM.

The 18-year-old is a boy who likes boys, so maybe he qualifies for this collection today. Don't girls like boys?

The 17-year-old is a girl who wants to be a boy, but let's let her in the collection since she's a she, never mind what she thinks or feels about it.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2019 08:28 PM (5+4v7)

170 I love Mothers Day. Guns and bewbz.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:29 PM (kHyP8)

171 Sold a gun for the first time. Have several Mosins, this one was "extra" (bought it in a rush right before a change in CA's idiotic gun laws a few years back reduced the value/fun of a C ampersand R FFL-03 license). Wasn't the year/stamping I was after - small mix-up with the guy at vendor - so easy to let it go to make room for other boomsticks. Sold some 54R ammo with it. May continue to trickle that out onto the market, as I have what is technically known as a "crap-ton" of it (mostly bought very cheap, and of course in the nice vacuum-sealed spam cans, great for long-term storage).


But as I don't buy gunzzz often, easily, or frivolously, I'd expect selling a gun will continue to be a rare experience for me.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:30 PM (QDnY+)

172 They look like soldiers in the USAAC.
Posted by: golfman at May 12, 2019 08:22 PM (OE84+)


They do. I wonder if it only looks like the peak is tall because the ones I'd have seen in pictures were crushed down after a while. Most of the pictures of WWII US Army soldiers that come to mind have them in garrison caps.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 08:31 PM (RHDdi)

173 I assume the new Army duds will have the digital camo?


And I heard the Navy is phasing out the "blueberries" dark digital camo. True?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:32 PM (QDnY+)

174 One of the Horde drove five hours ONE WAY, to meet us!!!

Amazing people.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 07:54 PM (PkVlr)

A lurker comes to the CenTexMoMee every year from Colorado Springs, CO. 15 hours each way.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 12, 2019 08:32 PM (v+XxP)

175

I love Mothers Day. Guns and bewbz.


Show a little class.



Please, it's teets.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 08:32 PM (AmDwF)

176 168 I watch some shooting show on the Outdoor channel where they demonstrated the different shooting stances adopted by law enforcement agencies through each decade starting in the 50's. Interesting to say the least. Something that seems pretty straight forward changed at least five times.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 08:28 PM (2DOZq)
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I was once doing load development at a range shared with State Police and a couple local LE agencies. They were shooting at 300 yds and just making stuff up in terms of shooting positions that seemed like a good idea to them at the time. It was interesting to say the least.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

177 I just had a thought. I have a few very good ammo cans. I should add them to the door prize list for Oct.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:33 PM (iEuxk)

178 Gotta go see the new uniforms, I guess. High peaked caps? You mean the billed hats for officers? Soviet ones can be high, but check out the Nork brass if you want to see ridiculously high peaked caps. Getting to bishop's/pope's mitre territory.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:33 PM (QDnY+)

179 I'm local. An impromptu meet up might be possible if there is any interest.
Posted by: Aviator




Aviator, that's a neat idea! Would Memorial Day be an option?

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 08:34 PM (LlRQB)

180 I grew up shooting at Perry. From wee tyke to soldier, I fired everything imaginable there- including tanks. At airplanes. Would wake up in the morning as a youth hearing the guns go off as the plane flew overhead. The roar of the takeoff was deafening if you were anywhere close (they used JATO type rockets to send them off).
You cannot appreciate just how damn far that 1,000m range is until you point an IRON SIGHT down at it- and wonder how someone can hit that at that range so accurately.
It was fun in the old days sleeping in the little 3-window POW huts before they built the new barracks.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at May 12, 2019 08:34 PM (z7BSm)

181 Am I to understand that "the science is not settled" on shooting stances?


Hmmm.


Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:35 PM (QDnY+)

182 Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 08:31 PM (RHDdi)

I think you're right. I just googled General Macauthur and his seems to be crushed down a bit but the peak also seems wider than the new caps.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 08:35 PM (2DOZq)

183 177 I just had a thought. I have a few very good ammo cans. I should add them to the door prize list for Oct.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:33 PM (iEuxk)
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They'd be great for souvenir prize bags!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

184 Please, it's teets.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 08:32 PM (AmDwF

Ok, Sooth:

Teets and Bewbs!

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:37 PM (kHyP8)

185 Getting my Browning Model 71 (Winchester replica) chambered in 348 Winchester ready for a hog hunt coming up in a few weeks. Great cartridge, but one you're not going to find on practically any gun store shelf. Reloading's the only practical option. And anyway, taking game with your own handloads is satisfying in its own right. Anyone else have any experience with this cartridge.

Posted by: WVinMN at May 12, 2019 08:37 PM (pV4s0)

186 You cannot appreciate just how damn far that 1,000m range is until you point an IRON SIGHT down at it- and wonder how someone can hit that at that range so accurately.
It was fun in the old days sleeping in the little 3-window POW huts before they built the new barracks.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at May 12, 2019 08:34 PM (z7BSm)
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Amazing what you can do with iron sights at long range, isn't it?
Oh, and staying in the original POW huts is now considered a rite of passage!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

187 Weasel, I will consider this done and off my list.

Just sent an email to the girlgunclub. I'll be curious if they get back to me.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:38 PM (iEuxk)

188 Ok, Sooth:

Teets and Bewbs!

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:37 PM (kHyP
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Smarty pants!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

189 181 Am I to understand that "the science is not settled" on shooting stances?

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My fave is Gangsta.

Sunglasses, gold chains, and a 1911 in each hand, aimed toward the ground with arms splayed and badass attitude.

Yo.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2019 08:39 PM (4knXT)

190 Weasel 'afore I forget, gracias for another great gunzzz thread.


You oughta post the UToob of the scene from "Take the Money and Run" from which the "gub" gag is derived. I'd forgotten how good it was. Back when Woody Allen was quite funny.



Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:39 PM (QDnY+)

191 Wait - there's something other than iron sights??


Huh.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:40 PM (QDnY+)

192 And I heard the Navy is phasing out the "blueberries" dark digital camo. True?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:32 PM (QDnY+)


The one they're testing looks like the USCG working uniform. Which is fine, because the Navy should've adopted it back in 2002, instead of that oddball blue digicammie thing.

If the Navy keeps with tradition, the new uniform will be uncomfortable, expensive, show paint readily, prominently hilight any pudginess, and not be approved for wear off the pier where they might be seen by decent folk.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 08:40 PM (RHDdi)

193 187 Weasel, I will consider this done and off my list.

Just sent an email to the girlgunclub. I'll be curious if they get back to me.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:38 PM (iEuxk)
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**fistbump**

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

194 Rhomboid @ 178- The norks wear tall hats because....well....they are short peoples generally. Even the generals is short.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2019 08:41 PM (qBNEP)

195 Weasel, if your going to do any movie clips. the standoff scene between Omar and Brother Mouzone from "The Wire" is the most classic ever.

If you haven't seen it ,you need to.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:42 PM (iEuxk)

196 That's Hermann Goering in drag, ain't foolin' me!

Posted by: Common Tater at May 12, 2019 08:42 PM (yBWAd)

197 I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall doing iron sight M-16s at 500 meters at Ft. Puke, Louisiana. At night. Just a little glow light would come on and you'd shoot. Silhouette would fall.
But that was 20-20 vision almost 50 years ago.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:42 PM (kHyP8)

198 Weasel 'afore I forget, gracias for another great gunzzz thread.


You oughta post the UToob of the scene from "Take the Money and Run" from which the "gub" gag is derived. I'd forgotten how good it was. Back when Woody Allen was quite funny.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:39 PM (QDnY+)
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My pleasure, amigo.

Send me a link to the vid if you have it.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

199
I wish they would bring back the Ike jacket:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower_jacket

That was just cool. The Pinks and Greens are considered the most "striking" and stylish uniform the Army ever used.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 12, 2019 08:44 PM (f1Vqw)

200 Weasel, if your going to do any movie clips. the standoff scene between Omar and Brother Mouzone from "The Wire" is the most classic ever.

If you haven't seen it ,you need to.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:42 PM (iEuxk)
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I'll check it out. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

201 Cicero there have been discussions among the ROs at my club about how to handle, um, "interesting" groups of shooters. Apparently there's been no serious weird incidents for a few years. In my time, there was only one time I had some vibes about a group. I think my vibes were justified - but the leader was cool and a military vet, and his g/f was incredibly hawt, so I "kept an eye" on her, and everything worked out.


We're very close to what in a normal country would be the border (barrier ends sort of close to there), always heaps of BP and supporting military activity (mostly helicopters) and usually BP vehicles near the gate, so while remote, not a permissive-seeming environment for sketchiness.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:45 PM (QDnY+)

202 Can someone google up the Las Vegas cop shoots through windshield and post. I think it would make for good discussion on pressure. The cop did a fantastic job in my opinion even though he had a slight hiccup when he had to drop his mag and replace.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 08:45 PM (2DOZq)

203 Man, I really wanted to get to the range today. Instead I spent my afternoon under a Jeep Wrangler trying to adjust the emergency brake to pass inspection. No joy.
Shoulda gone and shot shit.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:47 PM (kHyP8)

204 I haven't been for a wee bit, another oral surgery and pain killers. I don't even recognize the inside of my mouth any more, but oh well.
Took the .45 to a new shooters class here locally. Only two people showed up, me and a lady that the instructor knew fairly well. Once we got to the range he spent the majority of the time with the lady and very little with me. He came over to me twice. I was getting frustrated and was shooting at the precision targets and he told me not to get ahead of the instructor. The next time he came over he basically said that the .45 is a "sight over" pistol and I should aim higher at my target. He spent the rest of the time with the woman. I paid $150.00 for that class and got little out of it. I did run about 80 to 85 rounds through the .45 but I was getting frustrated. All of my shots were low and to the left. On the range, I got very little instruction so I finally packed it up and went back to the classroom.

I'm pretty damn good with my 10/22, but crap with my .45. I can hit center mass, but I'm not that accurate. Now that I'm off the pain killers I'll head back to the range, but damn, .45 ammo is expensive. I'm thinking I should look into wadcutters and try to save some money.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 12, 2019 08:47 PM (gEvQ8)

205 Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2019 08:48 PM (qIAv/)

206 Weasel, if your going to do any movie clips. the standoff scene between Omar and Brother Mouzone from "The Wire" is the most classic ever.

If you haven't seen it ,you need to.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:42 PM (iEuxk)


Is this the one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20G17K_0ghU

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 08:48 PM (RHDdi)

207 Will do, Weasel.


Oh - last night perusing the local/state gun forum, came across a thread on case-grabbers for picking up brass. People use these rolling cages originally created for picking up nuts and fruit, etc., off the ground.


The thread seemed to give the nod to - the small-nut retriever made by ..... Garden Weasel!



Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:48 PM (QDnY+)

208 I'm an Appleseed instructor, going to our Waco TX event next weekend.

Just looked it up. Didn't know that Waco Tactical Fitness was part of it. They have really fun Run & Gun competitions.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 12, 2019 08:49 PM (lD3vL)

209
Re the "crushed peaked cap". That had a really cool look. IIRC, only the Army Air Corp were allowed to do that back in the WWII era. To allow wearing the headsets when flying planes, they had to take out the wire stiffener, and the headphones would mash the cap down. After a while, it would have that permanent look.

But on the Air Corp guys could do it. Current Air Force regs don't allow one to crush the cap.

But from what I'm reading, the new pinks and greens hats will be made to give that crushed look.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 12, 2019 08:51 PM (f1Vqw)

210 Weasel, here's the movie clip -


https://preview.tinyurl.com/y494gv45


"abt natural"

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:51 PM (QDnY+)

211 Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:51 PM (QDnY+)
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thx. will check it out.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

212
Look up Bob Crane and Col. Hogan. That is the classic crushed cap look.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 12, 2019 08:52 PM (f1Vqw)

213 the small-nut retriever

Heh. Heh heh. Rhomboid said small nut retriever.

Ok, with that, I is done. Weasel, as always, great thread.
Now, off to GOT for teets and bewbs.

Happy Mother's Day to all the 'ettes! And, btw, your hair smells nice.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:53 PM (kHyP8)

214 >>Aviator, that's a neat idea! Would Memorial Day be an option?
Posted by: Steck

Unfortunately, that day is spoken for.

Posted by: Aviator at May 12, 2019 08:53 PM (2cuLk)

215 Old Blue @ 204- SG Ammo is your friend. Learn it, live it, love it. We all do.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2019 08:54 PM (qBNEP)

216 The guys at Forgotten Weapons/In Range TV shoot in the sort of competitions I would love - involve lots of movement, physical exertion, realistic positions from cover, etc. Where are they, AZ? Nothing like that around here.


Only thing they're missing is that their targets are not moving, and also don't have at least partial cover.


Yeah, scores would be very low. And each point would be very hard-earned, and based on at least a semi-realistic scenario. Anyway, tastes vary, but that's the sort of match I'd like.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:54 PM (QDnY+)

217 hogmartin, I can't answer that because dial up would spend 3 hours trying to load it.

Can you give me a verbal description?

It goes like this:

Omar and Brother Mouzone standing in an alley
Omar is carrying a .45 and Mouzone is carrying a PPK.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:54 PM (iEuxk)

218 So here's a question. Aside from combat of one sort or another - what's your most stressful shooting situation? How about plain ol' performance anxiety when other people are watching at the range? Can you tell a difference?

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

219 Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2019 08:53 PM (kHyP
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Thanks pal. See you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

220 And Weasel, good job as per usual. Gonna read another few pages of One Second After (for the 3rd or 4th time) and then lights out at OP Eromero.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2019 08:56 PM (qBNEP)

221 Steck and Aviator, you able to join Country Boy, DangerGirl and hubby and me in early July?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:56 PM (iEuxk)

222 It goes like this:

Omar and Brother Mouzone standing in an alley
Omar is carrying a .45 and Mouzone is carrying a PPK.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 08:54 PM (iEuxk)


Yes, it's that scene. There's some discrepancy between what Omar says about his Gold Cup and what the pistol actually looks like though, and I don't know enough about 1911s to know if he's bluffing or if he means it or if it's a TV prop goof.

I don't want to ruin it, in case anyone else wants to try to spot it.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 08:57 PM (RHDdi)

223 The thread seemed to give the nod to - the small-nut retriever made by ..... Garden Weasel!

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:48 PM (QDnY+)
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I demand royalties!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

224
Hmmm, a "Reagan" movie is in the works, starring Dennis Quaid. From what I can tell, it should be at least fair, if not a positive portrayal of the second-best president of our lifetime.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 08:57 PM (AmDwF)

225
I'm hearing there is trouble in NRA paradise. Anyone else hearing that?

Posted by: Spun & Murky at May 12, 2019 08:57 PM (4DCSq)

226 So, despite my best intentions I was not able to make it the range Saturday and so my SLR remains unfired by me. I did get to inspect my M14S and have come to the conclusion that it really is not a great battle rifle. It is more that the Army wanted to upgrade the M1 in a way that they could tweak to do well at Camp Perry even at the expense of the line troops. They took a 3MOA battle rifle and made it capable of 1MOA in the hands of expert armorers and shooters even though it would be a 5 or 6MOA in the field.

It does have a better gas system though. Probably what the M1 should have had back in 1936.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Platinum Member at May 12, 2019 08:58 PM (XK383)

227 >>Steck and Aviator, you able to join Country Boy, DangerGirl and hubby and me in early July?
Posted by: Ben Had

Depends when.

Posted by: Aviator at May 12, 2019 08:58 PM (2cuLk)

228 220 And Weasel, good job as per usual. Gonna read another few pages of One Second After (for the 3rd or 4th time) and then lights out at OP Eromero.


Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2019 08:56 PM (qBNEP)
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Thanks Eromero. And I loved that book, btw.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

229 As is customary for stuff I'm just not going to delve into, my understanding of the NRA sitrep is micron-deep, based on a few headline and twatter posts. Summarized: LaPierre was living the Baby Doc Duvalier lifestyle on company $$$. Is no bueno.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)

230 Aviator, I'll be in touch.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:00 PM (iEuxk)

231

Ever get tempted to put sandbags in your fireplace and shoot in your living room?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:00 PM (AmDwF)

232 I'm hearing there is trouble in NRA paradise. Anyone else hearing that?
Posted by: Spun & Murky at May 12, 2019 08:57 PM (4DCSq)

Yup....seems lots of money being washed and spent on things that don't need spending on.

Wayne LaPenis always does dress well. Very well.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2019 09:00 PM (Z+IKu)

233 Steck and Aviator, you able to join Country Boy, DangerGirl and hubby and me in early July?
Posted by: Ben Had



Depends on the date BH, we'll be out-of-state til 7/8.

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 09:01 PM (LlRQB)

234 204 ... Old Blue,
There are others here with better information. Pay special attention to your trigger finger. You should use the pad to pull the trigger, not the lower part of your finger. I have very large hands so I have to concentrate on using proper placement. By doing that it makes it easier to control the trigger pull. When I do that, my groups improve. Just my experience.

Can anyone back up my observation?

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 09:02 PM (bmdz3)

235
Yeah, Wayne LaPierre has been accused of living high on the hog with NRA money, going on big shopping sprees and shit.

There was also something about Ollie North being ousted for trying to get rid of LaPierre over the financial shenanigans.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 12, 2019 09:02 PM (f1Vqw)

236 Yup....seems lots of money being washed and spent on things that don't need spending on.

Wayne LaPenis always does dress well. Very well.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2019 09:00 PM (Z+IKu)
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Yep. That's kind of my impression, too. Gun Owners of America is worth a look.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

237 Grump, what's better about the gas system vs. the M1?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 09:02 PM (QDnY+)

238 Aside from combat of one sort or another - what's your most stressful shooting situation?
Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)


The first magazine from any pistol, first time to the line on any given day. Really. That's all. I go over everything twice to make sure I'm not forgetting any of the rules or anything, then once more. I also have a shrieking whimpering atavistic terror of loud noises and things that buck when I'm holding them. Not kidding. After the first magazine, I drop the mag, go to low retention/ready, and just breathe a couple times. Then I'm good for the rest of the day.

No idea why.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:02 PM (RHDdi)

239 >>Aviator, I'll be in touch.
Posted by: Ben Had

Sounds great.

Posted by: Aviator at May 12, 2019 09:03 PM (2cuLk)

240 A lurker comes to the CenTexMoMee every year from Colorado Springs, CO. 15 hours each way.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 12, 2019 08:32 PM (v+XxP)


Now ya got me wondering if this lurker comes to the annual Colorado Morondezvous.

Posted by: Emmie at May 12, 2019 09:03 PM (4HMW8)

241 Could it possibly be that as a male, you interact with the female students better than the male ones.

Males have a tendency to react to another male telling them what to do too sensitively. On the alert for the snide, the sneering or just plain domineering.

I would expect that it would vary among the males. I would want some discussion with other instructors of both sexes (are there female instructors) relating how the different genders react.

Not making any accusations or criticizing. I have no clue how you do what you do. It just struck me that I know males react better (in fact all humans react better to female humans) to females than males on average.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at May 12, 2019 09:03 PM (PrJJl)

242 Steck is the best!...she convinced me to get my gun.

Posted by: trapper's girl at May 12, 2019 09:03 PM (DGS6j)

243 229 As is customary for stuff I'm just not going to delve into, my understanding of the NRA sitrep is micron-deep, based on a few headline and twatter posts. Summarized: LaPierre was living the Baby Doc Duvalier lifestyle on company $$$. Is no bueno.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)

I didn't think that was secret. The NRA changed from advocacy as its focus to fund raising as its focus at the LaPierre direction.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 09:04 PM (2DOZq)

244 Emmie, that would be a yes.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:04 PM (iEuxk)

245 Can anyone back up my observation?

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 09:02 PM (bmdz3)
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Absolutely consider yourself backed-up!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

246 Yeah, scores would be very low. And each point would be very hard-earned, and based on at least a semi-realistic scenario. Anyway, tastes vary, but that's the sort of match I'd like.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 08:54 PM (QDnY+)
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I believe the guys in the "Forgotten Weapons" series use a range just outside of Tucson, AZ. That range, by the way, has a regular two gun rifle/pistol match I dearly want to shoot.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at May 12, 2019 09:05 PM (WEBkv)

247 I'm hearing there is trouble in NRA paradise. Anyone else hearing that?

There was some brouhaha at the annual convention revolving around the President (Ollie North) and the CEO (Wayne La Pierre) basically accusing each other of mishandling funds. Ended with North "resigning" as Pres and being replaced by a La Pierre loyalist. No idea who, if either, was in the right but the end result is that the old guard machine wins again.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:06 PM (qc+VF)

248 JTB - that's also my understanding, and I too have the low/left disease (with semi-autos only). I've applied all the conventional fixes, but the only thing that works is a very slow deliberate trigger pull, one too slow for real-world or match situations - when I do that, dead-center bullseyes. I'll continue to fight it, and practice, but resigned to having a slight bias in my impact results vs. aimpoint.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 09:06 PM (QDnY+)

249 Ever get tempted to put sandbags in your fireplace and shoot in your living room?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:00 PM (AmDwF)


A little, but buying an air pistol trap and shooting it across the basement. I never do, because I'd feel terrible if the cat wandered through or got hit by a ricochet.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:06 PM (RHDdi)

250 Grump, what's better about the gas system vs. the M1?

It is essentially self regulating I think. The piston/gas plug arrangement will only hold so much gas before it vents. And it is a form of short stroke. Maybe mid-stroke if something like that is a term. Rather than the gas pushing directly on the op rod, it move a piston that pushes against the sorter stouter op rod.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Platinum Member at May 12, 2019 09:07 PM (XK383)

251 shorter

Posted by: Grump928(C) Platinum Member at May 12, 2019 09:07 PM (XK383)

252 Well back to walking at work. Later folks.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 12, 2019 09:07 PM (v+XxP)

253 Emmie, that would be a yes.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:04 PM (iEuxk)


Responding to comment #10?

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:07 PM (RHDdi)

254 Regarding the blowout-had the same thing happen to my 27 which glock rebuilt no questions asked. The "glock smile" on .40 spent brass is well known in earlier gens and my research indicated a "stealth recall" was in effect. It's a feedramp support issue, I believe.

Posted by: Lance D. Boyle, M.D. - Dermatologist at May 12, 2019 09:07 PM (87EdW)

255 249 Ever get tempted to put sandbags in your fireplace and shoot in your living room?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:00 PM (AmDwF)

No but I have set up an archery target before.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 09:07 PM (2DOZq)

256 hogmartin, Thank You for finding that.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:07 PM (iEuxk)

257

I imagine the cats will steer clear of any kind of shooting noises.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:08 PM (AmDwF)

258 The M1 has the long long op rod because, in 1936, the Army would not allow gas ports in the barrel so the original had that gas trap thing past the muzzle. After they relented, Garand didn't want to redesign the whole system so he put a gas port back a bit from the muzzle end.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Platinum Member at May 12, 2019 09:09 PM (XK383)

259 Got Mama a G43 for mother's day.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 12, 2019 09:09 PM (c+PLQ)

260 It is essentially self regulating I think. The piston/gas plug arrangement will only hold so much gas before it vents. And it is a form of short stroke. Maybe mid-stroke if something like that is a term. Rather than the gas pushing directly on the op rod, it move a piston that pushes against the sorter stouter op rod.
Posted by: Grump928(C) Platinum Member at May 12, 2019 09:07 PM (XK383)
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"Direct impingement" on the bolt versus a gas cylinder and an op rod to operate the bolt.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at May 12, 2019 09:09 PM (WEBkv)

261 Thing is, the NRA's political clout cannot be squandered. Not attached to either them or GOA, just noting that there's little operational room for anything other than maximum political impact. Unless - or until - the "judiciary" finally starts remembering the 2A and treating it seriously/honestly.


Second Amendment Foundation is another good one, esp. as they are focused precisely on the legal battle.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 09:09 PM (QDnY+)

262
Ollie found the NRA was spening $100K per day on some law firm, headed by some guy named Bill Brewer.

LaPierre was supposedly getting all kinds of benefits from this money funneled through the law firm, including shit like a $39K for a little shopping day at some Beverly Hills clothes shop. $18K for a car and driver and all sort of shit like that.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 12, 2019 09:09 PM (f1Vqw)

263 hogmartin, #240

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:09 PM (iEuxk)

264 I imagine the cats will steer clear of any kind of shooting noises.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:08 PM (AmDwF)


You'd think, but this one is very friendly and stupid.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:09 PM (RHDdi)

265
Just a guess, but I think the biggest drawback of shooting in your basement or garage would be the Smell. What do they call it? Something -ite??

Anyway, that "Shooting Range" stink doesn't go away, I don't think.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:09 PM (AmDwF)

266 "Direct impingement" on the bolt versus a gas cylinder and an op rod to operate the bolt.


It still has an op rod, it is just shorter and stouter so less potential failure, I think.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Platinum Member at May 12, 2019 09:11 PM (XK383)

267 When's the TX MoMe? It's not in the sidebar.

Posted by: Emmie at May 12, 2019 09:11 PM (4HMW8)

268
I'd like to get one of those martial arts dummies for the living room that I can stab and shoot.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:11 PM (AmDwF)

269 It's like the M1 and the M1 Carbine had a baby.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Platinum Member at May 12, 2019 09:11 PM (XK383)

270 Emmie. Oct 19th, but it's a little early for the notice yet.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:12 PM (iEuxk)

271 Just a guess, but I think the biggest drawback of shooting in your basement or garage would be the Smell. What do they call it? Something -ite??

Anyway, that "Shooting Range" stink doesn't go away, I don't think.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:09 PM (AmDwF)


"Cordite", though it isn't used any more. Outside of some milsurp cartridges, it's just a generic name for spent smokeless powder smell.

Aerosolized lead would also be a problem I guess.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:12 PM (RHDdi)

272 Shoot. I dont have a rifle- Only a shotgun and a glock. Im trying to learn to shoot skeet but probably any shooting practice would be helpful. Maybe Ill buy a rifle and try one of the Ladyseed lessons.

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2019 09:13 PM (XROPS)

273 Flounder! Thank you so much! You and Kindletot helped so much yesterday!

It was great to meet you.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 12, 2019 09:13 PM (PkVlr)

274

"Cordite", though it isn't used any more.

Oh. I watch too much old detective shows.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:14 PM (AmDwF)

275 JTB - that's also my understanding, and I too have the low/left disease (with semi-autos only). I've applied all the conventional fixes, but the only thing that works is a very slow deliberate trigger pull, one too slow for real-world or match situations - when I do that, dead-center bullseyes. I'll continue to fight it, and practice, but resigned to having a slight bias in my impact results vs. aimpoint.

Did you watch the video from Silverado Shooting Academy (or whatever the name was, definitely "Silverado" something) that somebody posted a couple of weeks ago? I haven't been to the range since seeing it to try it out but he makes a good case that what we're probably doing is pushing the gun in anticipation of the recoil and that the way to train yourself out of it is exactly what you just said: extremely slow trigger pull with live ammo, paying super close attention to when you start to push the gun down. Stop and force yourself to overcome the reflex.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:14 PM (qc+VF)

276 great job again, Weasel!

And you're more than welcome for the picture!

Time to wander.

This whole real life interfering with AoS is getting old.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at May 12, 2019 09:14 PM (WEBkv)

277
P.I. Cannon had a little shooting range built into his high end apartment.

He'd press a button, and the wall would slide over, revealing a little pistol range.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 12, 2019 09:14 PM (f1Vqw)

278 Luckily, the NRA existed before these guys and will exist after these guys.

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2019 09:15 PM (XROPS)

279 LASue, come to the MoMe and you will get all the instruction you could ever want and probably find a shooting buddy close to you.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:15 PM (iEuxk)

280 Aerosolized lead would also be a problem I guess.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:12 PM (RHDdi)

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Don't look at me, I only eat lead paint chips, not inhale lead!

Posted by: Creepy Slow Joe at May 12, 2019 09:15 PM (WEBkv)

281 We shall see, hopefully, but I'm going to bet the M14 is more finicky than the M1 or my BM59, or even the FAL which makes little pretense to being anything beyond a 4MOA battle rifle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Platinum Member at May 12, 2019 09:15 PM (XK383)

282 Anyone know if Wayne LaPenis is actually paid 5 million a year?



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2019 09:16 PM (Z+IKu)

283 Grump, thanks. Interesting. And since I haven't - yet - acquired/read any of the Garand histories, didn't know that about the trap/port evolution. Going to bed smarter tonight.


And blake thanks re the AZ range. Yeah, I'd love to shoot at those matches they show. Online I saw an ad for a WWII 3-gun match back in NC. Looked awesome. Would just like to shoot in more interesting matches, but I understand the cost/hassle of what I'm talking about it substantial. Actually getting sort of bored with my usual local matches.


Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 09:16 PM (QDnY+)

284 Thanks, Ben Had.

Posted by: Emmie at May 12, 2019 09:16 PM (4HMW8)

285 Thanks again, Blake!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

286 279 LASue, come to the MoMe and you will get all the instruction you could ever want and probably find a shooting buddy close to you.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:15 PM (iEuxk)
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I really want to hit a MoMe.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at May 12, 2019 09:17 PM (WEBkv)

287 Oh. I watch too much old detective shows.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 12, 2019 09:14 PM (AmDwF)


No such thing as too many old detective shows.

But cordite was used until around WWI, I think. So a lot of early 20th century fiction writers used 'the smell of cordite', and it's been used since, even though the stuff itself isn't.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:17 PM (RHDdi)

288 Re, NRA-- every cause eventually becomes a racket...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2019 09:18 PM (oVJmc)

289 I would love to go to all the MoMes, but they are often held during the school year.

Posted by: Emmie at May 12, 2019 09:19 PM (4HMW8)

290 I really want to hit a MoMe.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at May 12, 2019 09:17 PM (WEBkv)


Where are you?

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:19 PM (RHDdi)

291 Re, NRA-- every cause eventually becomes a racket...


Ain't it the truth, brother. Ain't it the truth.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Platinum Member at May 12, 2019 09:19 PM (XK383)

292 JTB - that's also my understanding, and I too have the low/left disease (with semi-autos only). I've applied all the conventional fixes, but the only thing that works is a very slow deliberate trigger pull, one too slow for real-world or match situations - when I do that, dead-center bullseyes. I'll continue to fight it, and practice, but resigned to having a slight bias in my impact results vs. aimpoint.

Did you watch the video from Silverado Shooting Academy (or whatever the name was, definitely "Silverado" something) that somebody posted a couple of weeks ago? I haven't been to the range since seeing it to try it out but he makes a good case that what we're probably doing is pushing the gun in anticipation of the recoil and that the way to train yourself out of it is exactly what you just said: extremely slow trigger pull with live ammo, paying super close attention to when you start to push the gun down. Stop and force yourself to overcome the reflex.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:14

Granted, Im a novice, but after shooting skeet last week I met a guy who had a trigger adaptation where the he could pull the trigger but the shotgun fired only when he released his finger from the trigger. It seemed logical but also dangerous!

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2019 09:19 PM (XROPS)

293 Shoot. I dont have a rifle- Only a shotgun and a glock. Im trying to learn to shoot skeet but probably any shooting practice would be helpful. Maybe Ill buy a rifle and try one of the Ladyseed lessons.
Posted by: LASue



LASue, I see that the Ft. Worth Ladyseed still has 2 openings available (it's June 1-2) you may also be able to get a loaner .22 if you ask ahead-of-time.

Posted by: Steck at May 12, 2019 09:19 PM (LlRQB)

294 I'm not aware of any great stress when I shoot. The key word is 'aware'. When I shoot carefully, apparently I tense up to concentrate and keep a steady hold on the target. Much as I love any kind of shooting, after a while I have to take a break because I'm stiff and not as steady. Part of that is age but not all. The funny thing is I have no idea it's happening until I take a break to change targets.

The exception is trap shooting. That is so fast and instinctive I don't have time to tense up. It helps that I'm a decent wing shot.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 09:19 PM (bmdz3)

295 My brothers and I used to get in all kinds of trouble...

My mom would say every time, "I feel like Ma Barker!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2019 09:20 PM (MsK6T)

296 Blake, maybe you could make the one in TX. It is a 2 day affair so you get more bang for your buck.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:20 PM (iEuxk)

297
Did you watch the video from Silverado Shooting Academy (or whatever the name was, definitely "Silverado" something) that somebody posted a couple of weeks ago? I haven't been to the range since seeing it to try it out but he makes a good case that what we're probably doing is pushing the gun in anticipation of the recoil and that the way to train yourself out of it is exactly what you just said: extremely slow trigger pull with live ammo, paying super close attention to when you start to push the gun down. Stop and force yourself to overcome the reflex.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:14 PM (qc+VF)
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It's linked in a couple of gun threads a few weeks ago (see archive below).

I usually take more than one handgun to the range at a time and FORCE myself to shoot the first mag or cylinder painfully slowly until I reacquire (I hope) the feel for that gun and trigger. Sometimes all I do is fire really slowly and deliberately.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:20 PM (MVjcR)

298 Have heard of people who have a bucket of sand in their garage. For loading/clearing double/single carry pistols. Put on ear protection, point into the sand bucket, load/clear. Just in case. Guess the neighbors might be curious if you touched one off by mistake.


Similar to the clearing barrels they had at the finest USG overseas war-zone resorts. For clearing gunzz prior to entering buildings.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 09:20 PM (QDnY+)

299 A little, but buying an air pistol trap and shooting it across the basement. I never do, because I'd feel terrible if the cat wandered through or got hit by a ricochet.

When we moved into this house, I figured out that if I blocked opened both laundry room doors, I could have a clear 10 meters from the hallway into the garage. I spent a whole day building a plywood backstop that would swing down from the garage ceiling and mount a target box filled with plumber's putty. I used it once and it scared the dogs so badly that I haven't used it since.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:22 PM (qc+VF)

300
LaPierre's faction has counter-accused Ollie of financial improprieties including double dipping. Getting a salary from the NRA, and then from one of the law firms that works for the NRA.

The NY AG office has opened some investigation into it all. And they would love to take the NRA down.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 12, 2019 09:22 PM (f1Vqw)

301 Look ma! I'm on top of the world.

Posted by: White Heat at May 12, 2019 09:23 PM (KOCKb)

302 289 I would love to go to all the MoMes, but they are often held during the school year.

Posted by: Emmie at May 12, 2019 09:19 PM (4HMW
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we'll write a note to your teacher.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

303 we'll write a note to your teacher.
Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)


I am the teacher.

Posted by: Emmie at May 12, 2019 09:24 PM (4HMW8)

304 96 Blake, maybe you could make the one in TX. It is a 2 day affair so you get more bang for your buck.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:20 PM (iEuxk)
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Yeah man!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:25 PM (MVjcR)

305 ublius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 12, 2019 08:27 PM (f1Vqw)

The pinks and greens were what my father wore back then. USAAC. He hated those new blues after it became the USAF. Said they looked like bus driver uniforms.

Posted by: Grannymimi at May 12, 2019 09:26 PM (u5LFV)

306 we'll write a note to your teacher.
Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

I am the teacher.


Then write your own damn note!

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:26 PM (qc+VF)

307 Emmie. come Friday and return Sunday, you're good to go on Monday.

You could hitch a ride with our mutual friend.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:26 PM (iEuxk)

308 I am the teacher.

Posted by: Emmie at May 12, 2019 09:24 PM (4HMW
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Then we'll write you a note!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

309 I'd dress up as her.

Posted by: J. Edgar Hoover at May 12, 2019 09:27 PM (9gHOW)

310 292 ... "Granted, Im a novice, but after shooting skeet last week I met a guy who had a trigger adaptation where the he could pull the trigger but the shotgun fired only when he released his finger from the trigger. It seemed logical but also dangerous!"

LASue, I'v never heard of such a thing. I think it would drive me crazy going in reverse of decades of habit.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 09:28 PM (bmdz3)

311 Another issue I heard regarding the .40 blowouts on glock was multiple feedings of the same round- like if you carry with one in the pipe, but take it out for safety checks etc. The bullet gets set deeper over time, increasing pressure when fired.

Posted by: Lance D. Boyle, M.D. - Dermatologist at May 12, 2019 09:28 PM (87EdW)

312 Lance, what a great sock.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:30 PM (iEuxk)

313 For anyone considering a MoMe, the TX version is one whole hell of a lot of fun! Ben Had sets an impossibly high bar.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

314 The dog ate my homework.

Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at May 12, 2019 09:33 PM (EgshT)

315 Weasel, not so.

I want to encourage anyone that wants to meet the Horde, just jump in and it will take you from there.

It will be the most fun you have ever had.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:34 PM (iEuxk)

316 It will be the most fun you have ever had.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:34 PM (iEuxk)
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Agreed!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

317 312-i forgot I had it on- it's just ol' Farmer Bob.

Posted by: Lance D. Boyle, M.D. - Dermatologist at May 12, 2019 09:35 PM (87EdW)

318 i forgot I had it on- it's just ol' Farmer Bob.

Posted by: Lance D. Boyle, M.D. - Dermatologist at May 12, 2019 09:35 PM (87EdW)
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I was ready to ask you about this gross thing on my foot.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

319 I want to encourage anyone that wants to meet the Horde, just jump in and it will take you from there.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:34 PM (iEuxk)


And if there aren't any in your area, ask around about starting one and people will cheerfully walk you through it like an air traffic controller talking a passenger through landing a plane or like a mommy bird feeding a baby bird.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:38 PM (RHDdi)

320 I was ready to ask you about this gross thing on my foot.

Camo Crocs?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:38 PM (qc+VF)

321 I want to encourage anyone that wants to meet the Horde, just jump in and it will take you from there.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:34 PM (iEuxk)

And if there aren't any in your area, ask around about starting one and people will cheerfully walk you through it like an air traffic controller talking a passenger through landing a plane or like a mommy bird feeding a baby bird.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:38 PM (RHDdi)
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There really should be an instruction manual.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

322 Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant's Mother's Day commercial for South Central Bell:

https://tinyurl.com/y5rz5z6q

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at May 12, 2019 09:40 PM (hjaPQ)

323 I was ready to ask you about this gross thing on my foot.

Camo Crocs?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:38 PM (qc+VF)
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How'd you guess.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

324 I was ready to ask you about this gross thing on my foot.

Slap a hot iron to it.

Posted by: Dr. Scholl at May 12, 2019 09:41 PM (EgshT)

325 If three people on this site live near each other you have a MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:42 PM (iEuxk)

326 For an amusing image, I once tried to shoot skeet with a bolt action 12 gauge. It made the doubles just a bit of a challenge.

But that shotgun did okay with trap shooting. I sometimes shot against guys with $5,000 or more special trap guns. Instead of laughing at my relic they started remembering their first shotgun, often an inexpensve Sears bolt action 12. More than one asked to borrow it for a round. Big, nostalgic smilles all around when they finished their 25 targets.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 09:42 PM (bmdz3)

327 -
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"Granted, Im a novice, but after shooting skeet last
week I met a guy who had a trigger adaptation where the he could pull
the trigger but the shotgun fired only when he released his finger from
the trigger. It seemed logical but also dangerous!"


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LASue, I'v never heard of such a thing. I think it would drive me crazy going in reverse of decades of habit.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 09:28 PM (bmdz3)

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Release triggers, while not very common, have been around for a long time.

Posted by: irright at May 12, 2019 09:42 PM (RVcmP)

328 She seems nice.

Posted by: ALH at May 12, 2019 09:43 PM (htgmn)

329 Weasel, think we could get bluebell to write it?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:43 PM (iEuxk)

330 OK Kiddos - before the ONT comes along and kicks us to the curb, I want to thank you all for stopping by and spending some of your time here. I appreciate the chance to hang out with you all. Have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

331 329 Weasel, think we could get bluebell to write it?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:43 PM (iEuxk)
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Just what I was thinking!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

332 Thanks Weasel. It's always the highlight of my AoS week. Well, that and the Kateurday compliance pics.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:44 PM (qc+VF)

333 Thanks to you, Weasel. I hope I'll have some good gunzzz stuff next week, from range day later this week.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 09:45 PM (QDnY+)

334 Holy crap, is there somewhere you can just by a 500 pack of the straws that come with a can of Break-Free or Chain Wax or Gun Scrubber or carb cleaner or any of the other things that you have to shoot into a little tiny aperture and will inevitably loose the stupid straw stuck to the side of the can?

FFS.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:46 PM (RHDdi)

335 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:44 PM (qc+VF)
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Thanks BtB. It's a pleasure to have you here each week.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

336 For anyone considering a MoMe, the TX version is one whole hell of a lot of fun! Ben Had sets an impossibly high bar.

Everything is bigger in Texas.

Ben Had is the best.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 12, 2019 09:46 PM (lD3vL)

337 OK Kiddos - before the ONT comes along and kicks us to the curb, I want to thank you all for stopping by and spending some of your time here. I appreciate the chance to hang out with you all. Have a great week!
Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)


No, Weasel, thank you.

*hand salute*

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:47 PM (RHDdi)

338 Weasel,
As always, thanks for another fun gun thread. This stuff never gets old.

Between the book, food and gun threads, I spend more time on the computer on Sundays than the weekdays put together.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 09:48 PM (bmdz3)

339 333 Thanks to you, Weasel. I hope I'll have some good gunzzz stuff next week, from range day later this week.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2019 09:45 PM (QDnY+)
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OK! I'll look forward to it, rhomboid. Thanks amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

340 Holy crap, is there somewhere you can just by a 500 pack of the straws that come with a can of Break-Free or Chain Wax or Gun Scrubber or carb cleaner or any of the other things that you have to shoot into a little tiny aperture and will inevitably loose the stupid straw stuck to the side of the can?

Yup. Just go to Amazon and type in "spray can straw".

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:49 PM (qc+VF)

341 If three people on this site live near each other you have a MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:42 PM (iEuxk)

****

Well. I met up with Bluebell once when I was in DC.
That kinda counts doesn't it?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2019 09:49 PM (0tfLf)

342 Blue Bird of F'ing Joy.

You are too kind and I am so behind on what I need to mail you.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:49 PM (iEuxk)

343 Happy Mother's Day Ben Had !

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2019 09:50 PM (8tmib)

344 Well. I met up with Bluebell once when I was in DC.
That kinda counts doesn't it?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2019 09:49 PM (0tfLf)
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MicroMoMe.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

345 Yup. Just go to Amazon and type in "spray can straw".
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 09:49 PM (qc+VF)


No way. It's that easy? Don't tell me I've been walking past bundles of them on store shelves for years too.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 12, 2019 09:50 PM (RHDdi)

346 Diogenes, it absolutely does.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:51 PM (iEuxk)

347 Yea guns!

I was MoMe-ing instead of going to the range.

However, in light of the impending WA state gun control measure on July 1st, I may be buying more noisemakers because fuck em.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 12, 2019 09:51 PM (xJa6I)

348 Thanks hogmartin and JTB. You guys are the best!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

349 Hi back at ya JT and Thank You.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:52 PM (iEuxk)

350 I always thought "Ma Barker" would be a cute, imaginative name for a female dog.

Unfortunately, mine had already been named by somebody else before I adopted her.

Posted by: mnw at May 12, 2019 09:52 PM (Cssks)

351 I always thought "Ma Barker" would be a cute, imaginative name for a female dog.

Unfortunately, mine had already been named by somebody else before I adopted her.

Posted by: mnw at May 12, 2019 09:52 PM (Cssks)
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Now that's a great dog name idea!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:53 PM (MVjcR)

352 350 I always thought "Ma Barker" would be a cute, imaginative name for a female dog.

Unfortunately, mine had already been named by somebody else before I adopted her.
Posted by: mnw at May 12, 2019 09:52 PM (Cssks)

I agree.

Not thread related but another name I like is Kamir.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 09:53 PM (2DOZq)

353 Mark, I was thinking we were gonna need to send a search party out there.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:54 PM (iEuxk)

354 WeaselDog was "Princess" before we adopted her.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:56 PM (MVjcR)

355 353 Mark, I was thinking we were gonna need to send a search party out there.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:54 PM (iEuxk)

's all good. Just resting.

Had a great time there but was on my feet most of the day and felt like putting them up today.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 12, 2019 09:56 PM (xJa6I)

356 > I'm not aware of any great stress when I shoot. The key word is 'aware'.
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That's WHY I shoot. I go to the range, and the first shots are waaaay off, because my mind is not calm. Breathing, concentration, form.
By the end of the best sessions, the last few groupings are a small ragged group, with a handgun, emptied quickly, with confettii in the air... and I am completely relaxed.
It's a Zen thing.

Posted by: retired but not done at May 12, 2019 09:56 PM (K1IUD)

357 Ben Had is the best.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 12, 2019 09:46 PM (lD3vL)
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Ben Had - see? I told you so!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

358 Similar to the clearing barrels they had at the finest USG overseas war-zone resorts. For clearing gunzz prior to entering buildings.
Posted by: rhomboid at May

****

Had a round go off (not mine) at my HQs during Desert Storm. Hilarious. A hundred people hit the floor and the sounds of locking and loading reminded me of the clacker scene from The Longest Day.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2019 09:59 PM (0tfLf)

359 Weasel, you guys are ruining my shit shoveling image here.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:59 PM (iEuxk)

360 Prince the Poodle was named before we adopted him at 13 years old. He has never responded to any name so it doesn't matter. But he pays attention to anyone who has food or can let him into the yard when its time to do his business. Priorities.

I do love the idea of Ma Barker for a dog name.

Posted by: JTB at May 12, 2019 09:59 PM (bmdz3)

361 'Cujo'. I always thought 'Cujo' would be a great name for a dog.

Posted by: Stephen King at May 12, 2019 10:01 PM (CDGwz)

362 Watching the World Archery Recurve Championship. This is real archery. Compound bows are cheating imo.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 10:01 PM (2DOZq)

363 Oh and Weasel, Bluebell...Thank you again for the cookbook donations.

Ben, thank you for your door prizes as well!

MoMes are awesome and do not have to be complicated. Just like Glocks

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 12, 2019 10:01 PM (xJa6I)

364 However, in light of the impending WA state gun control measure on July 1st, I may be buying more noisemakers because fuck em.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 12, 2019 09:51 PM (xJa6I)

*****

Ditto.
I don't have a 5.56 but will relook that. Will visit the PX at Ft Lewis this week.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2019 10:03 PM (0tfLf)

365 My great old pal, Belmont, the Siamese cat. Already named when we got him. I never found out why the name.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2019 10:03 PM (CDGwz)

366 359 Weasel, you guys are ruining my shit shoveling image here.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2019 09:59 PM (iEuxk)
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Just call 'em like I see 'em!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

367 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 12, 2019 10:01 PM (xJa6I)
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You're welcome! As usual, bluebell did all the work!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)

368 I swear WD understands Spanish.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 10:05 PM (MVjcR)

369 I named my brother and sister kittens Bogie and Bacall. I was getting a pair from a litter but did not know what sex. If it had been two males they would have been Beavis and Butthead.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 12, 2019 10:07 PM (2DOZq)

370 Did anybody nood yet? If not, "nood."

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 12, 2019 10:08 PM (qc+VF)

371 OK. Signing off. 'Night everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2019 10:09 PM (MVjcR)

372 314 The dog ate my homework.
Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at May 12, 2019 09:33 PM (EgshT)

and then I ate the dog.

Posted by: Barky McJug Ears at May 12, 2019 10:35 PM (sy5kK)

373 That F250 isn't bad looking at all. I have seen far, far, worse.

Posted by: Anonymous Gerbil at May 12, 2019 10:51 PM (19Cvz)

374 Males have a tendency to react to another male telling them what to do too sensitively. On the alert for the snide, the sneering or just plain domineering.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at May 12, 2019 09:03 PM (PrJJl)

This is why "The Cautionary Tale" was invented.
Our egos are so fragile that if we directly tell another man what to do (unless in a chain of command) we are likely to end up in a duel (before the existence of soyboyz).
Women, on the other hand, tell men what to do without compunction. It's their job!

Oh. It has been speculated that another reason that women are better shooters is that,in testing, they generally have better fine motor-skills and eye-hand cooridination than men.

Thanks for the gub thread Weasel.

Posted by: Waepnedmann at May 12, 2019 10:51 PM (kF41u)

375 "248JTB - that's also my understanding, and I too have the low/left disease"

Spent 12ga hulls set upright along the top of a 7 yard target stand. Line 'em up, have an informal competition to clean them all off.

Throw in a few cases of ammo and this will solve things.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at May 12, 2019 11:06 PM (67XdO)

376
"This happened today, it's from a Glock chambered in 40 S&W, I believe. The reload blew out the bottom side of the case ..."

Extremely late to the thread, but this failure looks like the one that is reported on the ".40 S&W" Wiki page.

Apparently, certain semi-auto pistols (includoing Glocks) do not provide "support" (i.e. steel, in the form of barrel or block) around part of the the base of the .40 S&W case ... the brass case ( a considerable amount of it in poistol design terms) is the only thing between the powder charge and the external world.

Posted by: Arbalest at May 13, 2019 12:46 AM (FlRtG)

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