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Here’s the video of Notre Dame cathedral’s spire collapsing amidst the flames.pic.twitter.com/uR2LWrIFGJ
— Jerry Dunleavy (@JerryDunleavy) April 15, 2019
It hurts me 💔😭 #NotreDame pic.twitter.com/iYq62rGikO
— Max Goutaloy (@MaxGoutaloy) April 15, 2019
"Near the square, onlookers pray in front of the burning" https://t.co/g0Wf8R1KJx pic.twitter.com/0zn7Tpws1N
— Nick Monroe (@nickmon1112) April 15, 2019
https://t.co/BCNRYCXZRv pic.twitter.com/blao5BHQ4Q
— Nick Monroe (@nickmon1112) April 15, 2019
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)First of all, this is just horrible
Posted by: AltonJackson link in nick for the MiMoMe at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (9C0cu)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (+S3WW)
We Live In Interesting And Stupid And Evil Times
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (nkfRj)
Posted by: Alex Jones's Dildo at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (U7k5w)
Who Burned Down Notre Dame?
a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (5tb4C)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (t6MX/)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (nkfRj)
Listen you Tranzis Twats, if you don't like this country then move.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (uYZSX)
A thread here with the details and clips, deleted tweets:
https://twitter.com/nickmon1112
Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: My life is insanity at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (Xm8Oy)
Some stupid with a flare gun?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM
This.
Posted by: Casino in Montreux, Switzerland
--
I see what you did there.
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (Z3zSO)
So at least they have that to console themselves with.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: Geoff Flakey at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (pPQeR)
Posted by: Alex Jones's Dildo at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (O7MnT)
Who Burned Down Notre Dame?
a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM
h. Penguins.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (9CkBG)
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (9221z)
573 It can well be rebuilt. St Paul outside the Walls in Rome suffered a similar fire in... mid 1800s(?) and was rebuilt stone for stone.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (PbpT7)
a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h FRANK STALLONE
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (O7MnT)
Sigh.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (ufFY8)
a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?
I say G. Caused by B, E & F.
Posted by: tbodie - autocucumber is Ridiculous Bullshit at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (BBhgz)
They can't.
And so incredibly sad. Hell, I'm almost in tears. And yes, I've seen it.
What is left of this world?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Igotnothing at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (Ssh2k)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (9CkBG)
St. Paul's Cathedral in Munster Germany. Took ten years to rebuild it after all the Allied bombing in WWII.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (uYZSX)
Just want to cry.
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (dm05u)
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I don't know that capable craftsmen for this kind of work still exist.
But if they do, I'll bet they aren't called. City governments only want some postmodern eyesore, these days.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (AzW6q)
I know, right?
How many years have we seen obvious terror attacks immediately dismissed as "not terrorism, we'll never know why this happened?" Not just here, but in Europe. Just can't believe them anymore.
Quite the convergence of stories - Omar's 9/11 comments + pushback, Boston Marathon today, and now this. This discussion of terrorism is insisting upon itself.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (bcbK8)
So at least they have that to console themselves with.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (fqUgw)
I half expect Macron to immediately declare that a Mosque will be built atop that very spot, ASAP.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (UnA8+)
kinda pissed at the french firefighters, even though I don't know the situation, and it is a French iconic place. But I just can't see the same reaction by responders in the US.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (+S3WW)
Only way I can think of is if the workers first tried to put it out and failed, then they reported it.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (kUmUV)
Posted by: JT at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (2NLdK)
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (dNzKv)
Posted by: Tentotwo at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (yhf6w)
Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (9CkBG)
Don't you start
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (bcbK8)
Do the French actually have a fire department? If so they look utterly incapable of fighting this fire. Maybe they've just surrendered to the fire
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (OLCnA)
God often cleanses with fire.
At least the French wont be able to surrender it to the Muzzies and let them turn it into a mosque.
Its still horrible...
Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (lWCRE)
Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (G0vdT)
Posted by: Big Al fredo at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (iWo0u)
my 0.02, feel free to disregard.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (wA4OO)
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (UnA8+)
If it were in London, they'd already be bulldozing.
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (9221z)
>A French guy called into Prager's radio show just now, said that there have been church desecrations every week in France.
Also called it a "historic trauma" and a non-lethal 9/11 for France."
Non-lethal *so far*. Wait until the aftermath of this event and its ramifications plays out.
Posted by: Anonymous 7 at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (DwzBO)
Paris police launch criminal investigation into Notre Dame Cathedral fire
Why are they launching a criminal investigation if this is just an unfortunate restoratin accident?
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (Z3zSO)
Posted by: Brian Stelter at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (O7MnT)
Who Burned Down Notre Dame?
a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
________________
I kinda doubt the Yellow Vest people did it. They are Frenchies (real ones, not imported fakers), and the French love their history, and Notre Dame is an important symbol of French history.
It would be like Tea Partiers blowing up the Jefferson Memorial or the Washington Monument. It just wouldn't happen.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (rxtQa)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (dNzKv)
Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (+S3WW)
====
The speed at which muzzie terrorism was discounted is a great indicator of it being muzzie terrorism.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (pw+jk)
Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (Pqytn)
Thousands of priceless artifacts destroyed.
No sprinklers
many hydrants not working.
Loss prevention just never a consideration
Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (lWCRE)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (dNzKv)
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (Z3zSO)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (uYZSX)
Quite the convergence of stories - Omar's 9/11 comments + pushback, Boston Marathon today, and now this. This discussion of terrorism is insisting upon itself.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (W+vEI)
It's ironic that the MSM's efforts to cover for the Muslims leads people to suspect them first and foremost of anything bad that happens.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (x3tTl)
Posted by: Terlingua at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (RQfnU)
IIRC, this is the day that Jesus cleansed the Temple.
Posted by: Florida man at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (w7KSn)
They do. And being French they wear bright shiny silver helmets but probably not the guys you want coming to your rescue.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: dartist at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (88+cf)
---
They're sure because they need to be sure.
If this was islamic arson, why there might be peaceful muslims celebrating the fire who find their way to lampposts.
And worse, elected officials who lose their next election.
Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (kOpft)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (dNzKv)
kinda pissed at the french
firefighters, even though I don't know the situation, and it is a French
iconic place. But I just can't see the same reaction by responders in
the US.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (r+sAi)
Yes, the firefighters are going to get criticism, but CNN had a NJ chief on air who described how difficult this type of fire is to fight.
Posted by: Vendette at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (OKErp)
So at least they have that to console themselves with.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (fqUgw)
Candy stores all across the EU have sold out.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Dr Alice at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (gKjjH)
Posted by: willow at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (r/xAU)
Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (IXZGh)
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (UnA8+)
I would much rather have Marcon say that Notre Dame will be rebuilt by extra taxes imposed on MUSLIMS.
And if they don't like it, they can fvcking leave France and go back to their original shitholes.
And why not? They don't seem to have much Liberty, Fraternity, or Equality right now.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (Z3zSO)
--------
Could be to build a case of criminal negligence against workers/firms who destroyed a global icon. Or it could be the other thing. But I figure they'd be looking to charge someone no matter what.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (AzW6q)
Indeed.
A terrible, no good day, regardless.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (6qErC)
With a luxurious casino in the basement.
Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (88+cf)
See 2 threads ago
Posted by: Shep at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (RZ6R1)
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (BbGew)
a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (5tb4C)
whatever or whomever caused it in the movie it will be European White Supremacists.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (BJKQV)
Posted by: willow at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (r/xAU)
Some people did something
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (O7MnT)
Probably
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (RD7QR)
Clue style.
Sinead O'Conner
In the narthex
With a flaming tampon.
----
Did she take it out first?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (uYZSX)
These fucking people are deranged.
Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (IXZGh)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (Rarvo)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (dNzKv)
> Posted by: JoeF.
Have there been any confirmed sitings of Funky Claude in the vicinity?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (0OWcv)
IIRC, this is the day that Jesus cleansed the Temple.
Posted by: Florida man at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (w7KSn)
Oh my. I think you are correct.
Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne, lurking since 2007 at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (UNthw)
But as people have said in previous threads, this is almost symbolic of French and overall European culture
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (39g3+)
Insurance.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (/tuJf)
If, as was stated, Muslim bastards are celebrating this on social media, I want Trump to point it out, slam the fuckers and tie it right to the Muslim traitors in congress. I want this shoved down their throats until they choke.
I'm out. I cannot watch this.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (Ki5SV)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM
Begun, the ice cream wars will have.
Posted by: Obi Juan Sonobi at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (RQfnU)
Any word on causes yet? I imagine not, as the fire isn't even out at this point, but I desperately hope it was an accident and not terrorism.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (eAshZ)
1) Twitter hashtag #IAmADame goes viral
2) Lefty panic over non-existent anti-Muslim backlash.
3) Twitter bans discussion of the fire
4) John Kerry brings American folk singer to Paris to promote healing
5) Emmanuel Macron apologizes for his country building a cathedral that caused the Muslims' fire to burn out of control
6) Notre Dame is rebuilt as a mosque.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (BJKQV)
Posted by: REDACTED at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (RZ6R1)
Posted by: ROP at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (4Eo4+)
Even freaking Newsweek did a story on Catholic Churches being desecrated in France.
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (Z3zSO)
The terrorists are killing your ancestors, buddy, by erasing any record of them. Destroy their historic artifacts, buildings, cemeteries, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (W+vEI)
*rubs chin in deep though*
Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (YmfOS)
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (dm05u)
"So you're saying that the Jews did it in retaliation?"
--Congresswoman Omar
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (39g3+)
I imagine the insurance/bonding company for the contractors is sweating bullets right about now.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (0OWcv)
"Ownership
Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State."
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (5tb4C)
Posted by: Broward County Fire Department at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (EYsyU)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (k3g2v)
Call 877-435-7277
Posted by: jeffersonian at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (yX3gx)
Posted by: Off the reservation at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (vWMNq)
+++
New Zealand was March 15 this is April ...
Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (O5f1Y)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (0OWcv)
More like getting out of town and moving to Moscow
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (bim/x)
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (RD7QR)
Oh wow....Sci Fi's best Catholic and Notre Dame both die on the same day.
Synchronicity.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Eddie Baby at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (wpJDK)
If that happened I wouldn't really be surprised. They were working overhead on the roof, after all
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (39g3+)
h ______________?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (5tb4C)
Tea Partiers. Obviously. With cigarettes.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (ASicf)
1) Twitter hashtag #IAmADame goes viral
2) Lefty panic over non-existent anti-Muslim backlash.
3) Twitter bans discussion of the fire
4) John Kerry brings American folk singer to Paris to promote healing
5) Emmanuel Macron apologizes for his country building a cathedral that caused the Muslims' fire to burn out of control
6) Notre Dame is rebuilt as a mosque.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (BJKQV)
7) Hillary becomes President!!!
Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (NFEMn)
Whe should probably move important European landmarks over here for safe keeping.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (TAmPV)
Like when they found the terrorist camp in NM
and they went in and bulldozed the whole site so nobody could ask any questions
Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (lWCRE)
Macron is there on site showing himself off. He is the most anti-Christian president France has ever had. Mitterrand was a Saint comparing with Macron. I am in total disgust.
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (Z3zSO)
Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (YmfOS)
Wait are we talking about Notre dame or the papacy?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (/Fxjk)
So at least they have that to console themselves with.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (fqUgw)
I half expect Macron to immediately declare that a Mosque will be built atop that very spot, ASAP.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (UnA8+)
I also predict that, come this Thursday, Frankie Fabulous will very ostentatiously invite a French Muslim delegation to St Peter's for the washing of the feet, to show his solidarity with his brothers in Christ.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (Ki5SV)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (0OWcv)
He's in Medina.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (t6MX/)
More: Does Paris not have firefighting boats that could just pump water up from the Seine?
I mean... it's right there.
I asked that very question two threads ago.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: whitey at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (71VoH)
Posted by: Awotter at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (0x00j)
Posted by: Czech Chick at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (M3WlM)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (bcbK8
Hey.
Leave me out of this.
Posted by: Sting at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (IXZGh)
42 But, of course, metal doesn't burn.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (9CkBG)
Don't you start
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo
willowed from up-thread - Is it too soon for the truthers to say "but fire can't melt steel"
Posted by: BifBewalski - sofa king we Todd did at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (td8Ta)
"Ownership
Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State."
Posted by: zombie at Awho negotiated that deal?
who negotiated that deal
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (MTjB1)
Posted by: willow at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (r/xAU)
> Posted by: JoeF.
Have there been any confirmed sitings of Funky Claude in the vicinity?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (0OWcv)
Not to quibble, but the real life "Funky" Claude Nobs was a great guy and was made an honorary member of Deep Purple for their "Machine Head" album:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Nobs
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: The EU at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (sZzDP)
http://tinyurl.com/y64n7cuv
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (ZGrMX)
St. Paul's Cathedral in Munster Germany. Took ten years to rebuild it after all the Allied bombing in WWII.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM
***************************
They built a new Coventry Cathedral beside the bombed ruins of the old medieval more than twenty years after Germans destroyed it.
The old ruins were left as a memorial and still look better than the new cathedral, which, like most things built in Britain in the sixties....or since, come to think of it, is an ugly steaming pile of dogshit.
Posted by: Rudi Von Starnberg at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (OFzX4)
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (dm05u)
honestly I'm just incredulous at the concept that it was impossible to get water on this fire until about 7 hours after it was reported.
ON AN ISLAND
and what, did Macron ban all helicopters from France b/c of an old witch's Pinochetesque prophecy or something?
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (Rarvo)
Like the Elgin Marbles and the Ishtar Gate.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (0OWcv)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (FSPNP)
We already have our own in EPCOT and Vegas
Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (lWCRE)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (r+sAi)
Take up a collection. Kettle at every gov't office and a GoFundMe online. It'll get funded.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (J+mig)
either or
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (MTjB1)
Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State."
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (5tb4C)
"Owned by the State"
That explains why they were never forced to install sprinkler systems.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (rxtQa)
God often cleanses with fire.
At least the French wont be able to surrender it to the Muzzies and let them turn it into a mosque.
Its still horrible...
Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (lWCRE)
I think you give the current crop of Euro leaders too much credit. They are perfectly capable of doing something so sickeningly self-abnegating.
As for the French firefighters, I'm going to give them the benefit of a doubt. I think they would have done as much as they could given the conditions, which look to be complex and difficult. But let's hope the Frogs at least bother to thoroughly investigate the fire and the response to it.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (RD7QR)
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The Catholic Church never misses a fundraising opportunity.
Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (sX1BW)
kinda pissed at the french firefighters, even though I don't know the situation, and it is a French iconic place. But I just can't see the same reaction by responders in the US.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (r+sAi)
Interesting thread by a US firefighter on the difficulty putting out fires in old cathedrals.
https://tinyurl.com/y4mycbs3
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (cF8AT)
Well, the fire was contained to the island, so they can start handing out commendations to each other.
Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (xSo9G)
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
The concept is not new.
Posted by: The Holy Crown of St. Stephen at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: BifBewalski - sofa king we Todd did at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (td8Ta)
Notre Dame was already rotting, and France didn't want to fund its repair. Christianity is not really the value system of the EU bureaucrats. shame. They should have fixed it if only for the tourist dollars.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (Cus5s)
Oh, I wasn't disputing that at all. A definite hero.
My thought was that he might've been "running in and out" saving art treasures or something.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (0OWcv)
a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?
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The HLA. (Hunchback Liberation Army)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (bim/x)
Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (eAsh
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Add to that...
1. During Holy Week
2. There have been recent attempts that have been foiled.
If an organized Jihadist group did this they will want to take the credit. The problem for the French government is even if it was an accident most people don't believe them anymore. Being politically correct kills credibility.
Posted by: William Eaton at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (MuTTO)
laser measurements of every detail of Notre Dame were completed just a
few years ago.
http://tinyurl.com/y64n7cuv
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM
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That's all well and good, but it won't "be" Notre Dame, it will be a replica. Notre Dame is gone for ever and can't be replaced. It can be rebuilt, but it will never be the same.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Chick Who Restored the Ecce Homo Jesus Mural at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (ASicf)
Posted by: southdakota conservative at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (wg50I)
Call 877-435-7277
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As a Catholic, I have mixed feelings about this idea. And I agree that this is an icon of Christianity.
However... this cathedral is in France. It is a tourist attraction. I don't know if it's my responsibility as an American Catholic to repbuild a French icon that probably makes money for a French government that supports Islam and hate Catholics.
If the French want this rebulit, they should spearhead this. If they do not, well then, it's over for Christian France. Just declare Islam the religion of the state and get it over with.
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (Z3zSO)
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (J+mig)
A GoFundMe would do it in quick fashion, but I don't have faith that the Church would be savvy enough to use it.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (Xqo6t)
Notre Dame also survived the French Revolution, even though the devotees of Reason desecrated the high altar and destroyed much of the interior religious imagery in the 1790s.
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (pPNCa)
Paris has lots of socialism and bureaucracy. Fireboats and common sense not so much.
Also, Muslims.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: JAS at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (KOCKb)
Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (C7rlo)
Posted by: JuJuBee at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (aBR7R)
Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (kOpft)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (DBRY5)
Posted by: rc at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (giWZY)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (ptqGC)
I'll keep listening....
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (cF8AT)
I know, everybody just hates the "Holden Caulfield" character, and all his works and ways -- but let me remind you for a moment of his most memorable trait, his hatred for guys who scrawl "Fuck You" on everything, and he is pretty sure that when he dies somebody will put "Fuck You" on his tombstone. And I think of that because, over on one of the other Big Dick Conservative commentary sites, the very first thing that got said about Notre Dame was:
"France is a African/muslim shithole especially Paris."
The Shithole School of Geography, shodding rough over Western Civ.
I am so proud of this great American, I wish we could meet right now.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (8ZmvG)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (YslsA)
Now he sits and waits patiently for the order.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (BbGew)
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Ditto. Europe's great cathedrals are points in time showing the evolution of a continent through the Fall of Rome, the Dark Ages, the Renaissance, etc. They are treasures of Western civilization. If this was an accident, it is heartbreaking. It this was deliberate, the French should view it as a casus belli.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: AOC at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (sZzDP)
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The Catholic Church never misses a fundraising opportunity.
Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (sX1BW)
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Bingo!
Posted by: whitey at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (71VoH)
In the old days, a lot of someones would be shot for that.
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Swallowell/Buttplug 2019 at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (gqxu1)
Nah, never happened.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (kOpft)
Oh good...I missed what he said about the crown of thorns.
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (14URa)
I pray that this truly was an accident. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Earl Sheib at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (2LelM)
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It seems like this would be easy to verify
Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (kOpft)
It's hard to see how such a large fire could grow/sustain itself in that case.
Obviously, I'm missing something here.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (LPVCP)
Brother Fucker sings somebody done somebody wrong song....
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (lzp4R)
Christian France was guillotined in the late 1700s
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (39g3+)
So bets on if this was started by a member of the religion of peace? And if so is retaliation in order?
Posted by: southdakota conservative at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (wg50I)
Might be just what is needed to push them out of europe.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (9Om/r)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (JUOKG)
By that definition it hasn't been "Notre Dame" for a long time. It's be desecrated, sacked, damaged, generally fucked up multiple times since the initial completion 700 years ago.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (9CkBG)
"Ownership
Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in
Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While
the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the
designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for
religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for
paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that
the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive
subsidies from the French State."
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Thanks, Zombie. That's what I thought, but I didn't know for sure. All right, President Macron, it's time for a statement.
Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (Pqytn)
Which never happened, because, it was thwarted.
So why ever would anyone suspect anything but a construction accident.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (37IEG)
good news
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (DBRY5)
I had wondered if they had moved them prior to construction. It would make sense to do so. But so would planned firefighting measures.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (t6MX/)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (Pg+x7)
You gotta see this video. This is a change of pace you could say.
A PSA called "It's On Us" about stopping sexual assault. Joey Bidet and Gaylord are in it. Wonder how long this one will last?
https://youtu.be/wNMZo31LziM
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (uYZSX)
Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) warned Monday that President Trump is endangering the life of one of their members, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), with his attacks suggesting the freshman lawmaker downplayed the 9/11 terror attacks.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (aKsyK)
France is a cuckshed of epic proportions.
Churches have been burning all over the place, and that little shit Macron is probably in some back alley servicing some "youths".
What a mess.
Watch for this in the UK.
Get rid of your opposition by destroying their history.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Joe Biden at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (z8c2c)
THe walls and main arches in the roof are, but the roof is wood. Lots of wood and cloth inside.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (39g3+)
In the old days, a lot of someones would be shot for that.
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (9221z)
If passersby just used buckets and peed on the thing, they've been more effective.
That is just insane beyond belief.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (zBaqJ)
It's hard to see how such a large fire could grow/sustain itself in that case.
Obviously, I'm missing something here.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (LPVCP)
Wooden frames.
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (HaL55)
I'm just guessing as I'm not a fireman.
Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (IXZGh)
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Yep, Pam Geller had an article about this over the weekend:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y534f2jy
In France, an average of two churches are being desecrated (i.e. vandalized, torched, feces smeared on, etc.) every day.
Similar types of things also happening to churches in Germany.
Bet you can't guess who's doing it? lol
And BTW, the French police had previously arrested and jailed a muzzie woman for a plot to blow up Notre Dame with gas canisters. So it has been targeted by muzzies already. (Don't know if they're responsible for today's fire, but they ain't unhappy about it).
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (fqUgw)
Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State."
Posted by: zombie at Awho negotiated that deal?
who negotiated that deal
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The clue is 1905.
Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (zvw0X)
Posted by: AOC at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (sZzDP)
Dammit to hell.
Thread winner.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (9CkBG)
good news
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (DBRY5)
Had they moved them to safe keeping before the renovation started?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (bim/x)
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (9221z)
It's hard to see how such a large fire could grow/sustain itself in that case.
Obviously, I'm missing something here.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (LPVCP)
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The roofs are wood and there is a lot of wood (and these days plastic, etc.) inside them. I suspect the *structure* will survive (it's hard to burn stone) but reconstruction will take decades if the whole building burns. I would ordinarily say, "raze it and start over" but it isn't an ordinary building.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (I2dne)
Indeed. Why I pray it was accidental.
The rage if not might make this fire seem small...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (2LelM)
It looks more like the French State nationalized it but all expenses would be paid by the Catholic Church. As it was used as the hq of an Archdiocese the ownership appears nominal.
Posted by: Someguy at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (HUFx8)
> Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
> The concept is not new.
> Posted by: The Holy Crown of St. Stephen
Trump would look awesome wearing the Iron Crown of Lombardy.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (0OWcv)
Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (BJKQV)
Old churches under renovation are at huge risk for these types of fires. Holy Week is also a huge risk... lots of people who don't usually go to church there - people have less of a sense of who "should" be there and who shouldn't. There have been a number of Orthodox Church fires around Orthodox Easter in the last few years. 2016 was especially bad. I'm not saying that any of these are terrorism, BUT it's the perfect "cover" for this type of thing.
Posted by: Katja at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (fFYAm)
Yeah, common sense seems to have gone out the window on this one.
But I bet they get a real cracking plan worked up after this!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (39g3+)
https://youtu.be/wNMZo31LziM
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (uYZSX)
Oh barf.
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (rxtQa)
Does this mean Notre Dame is cancelling football this year???
Posted by: Accidental Occasional Cortex at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (Pqytn)
It may be a sign that Macron has lost the Mandate of Heaven.
Posted by: Miklos, who been there when it was a church at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (zCyNd)
Wait, they took SEVEN HOURS to get water on this?
In the old days, a lot of someones would be shot for that.
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (9221z)
It's France. Half of the firefighters were probably on a state mandated 30 day vacation. The other half were going to white privilege sensitivity training.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (LPVCP)
Posted by: WisRich
definitely dark humor but i needed it and it made me LOL
Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (PbpT7)
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When at first you don't succeed.
See the twin towers.
Posted by: hmmm at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (zvw0X)
Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (dIb4M)
Posted by: JAS at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (KOCKb)
Posted by: Awotter at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (0x00j)
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (cF8AT)
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Could be wrong but it might be harder than you think. There are multiple walls for instance.
I don't blame the pompiers at all really. That cathedral would be difficult to put out, the architecture presents problems. Initial discussion was probably deciding if they could safely do anything other than save the surrounding area from fire and if they could rescue anything from the inside.
Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (O5f1Y)
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (9221z)
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Lead melts at about 600 degree F.
Doubtful.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (8XRCm)
though the devotees of Reason desecrated the high altar and destroyed
much of the interior religious imagery in the 1790s.
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (pPNCa)
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A little-known fact is that when the Post-Bastille mob went nuts in Orleans, they burnt the city's treasury and all of its contents, which included several personal items belonging to St. Joan of Arc.
Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (Pqytn)
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Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (BqBId)
Just my deplorable suspicious nature, I guess.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (wA4OO)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (9CkBG)
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Yep. There is no "original" Notre Dame. It's gone through multiple renovations/repairs over the centuries.
Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (G0vdT)
Now he sits and waits patiently for the order.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (0tfLf)
In an ideal world. Meanwhile, in that same world, all the gendarmes are mobilized for a massive round up of The Usual Supects.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (ujg0T)
That's several levels of more complicated and difficult to pull off. I'm guessing those are gone.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (k3g2v)
They already got the flame.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (6qErC)
Dunno. Terrorists killed French people and the French eventually wound up apologizing and blaming the victims.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (BJKQV)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (uYZSX)
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So the Archdiocese controls the Paris Fire Department?
Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (2LelM)
Did you see my tweet to you about naming your new puppy?
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (cF8AT)
Call him 'Marco'!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (bcbK8)
No one in the EU has powder fire retardant for an air drop?
Bizarre. So much for "cooperation"
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (6qErC)
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It's a cornerstone of Western civilization, it must be rebuilt. And I'm not even Catholic.
Posted by: jeffersonian at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (yX3gx)
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (dIb4M)
In the old days, a lot of someones would be shot for that.
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (9221z)
Wait wut? Where do you see that? Seven hours from when they knew or seven hours from when it started?
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (RD7QR)
We'll know for sure if there is footage of bees before the fire
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio Cortez at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (SkuXa)
A business owner (350 employees) says, "And--you probably know--Rockford, Illinois was second in machine tool production"
And we have a president about whom he could say that.
Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (C7rlo)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (GBteo)
The rage if not might make this fire seem small...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (6qErC)
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If it turned out to be Islamist arson, the French would do nothing and probably apologize, because the French are cucks.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (uYZSX)
Just please don't tell the "renovators" where they've been spirited away to.
Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (xSo9G)
The walls are stone.
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Limestone. Which the fire will spall by turning it to calcium corbonate.
That fire is burning at 3000 degrees plus. Granite would not survive.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (8XRCm)
I mean... it's right there"
First, we're going to need an environmental impact study. Next, a request for exception to the water pumping prohibition protecting the critically endangered Seine smelt...
Posted by: The EU at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (+rqF4)
Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (5Q+j+)
Similar types of things also happening to churches in Germany.
Bet you can't guess who's doing it? lol
And BTW, the French police had previously arrested and jailed a muzzie woman for a plot to blow up Notre Dame with gas canisters. So it has been targeted by muzzies already. (Don't know if they're responsible for today's fire, but they ain't unhappy about it).
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (fqUgw)
Remember the Pali scumbags who holed up in the Church of the Nativity, taking priests and nuns hostage, pissing and shitting all over the place, tearing up bibles and books and generally destroying the place.
Europeans generally didn't give a shit about that - in fact all of the perps were given safe haven in various Eurotrash countries - and the CHurch of the Nativity was a lot older and more historical than even Notre Dame ... though it wasn't as big and didn't have as many popular movies or stories made of it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (ASicf)
Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Quelle Horreur at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (8qYU4)
Now, there's a fire......
Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (IXZGh)
Posted by: eleven at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (NLLmE)
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To be honest, Europe is doing the slow slide into Islam via atheism. I'd rather it be muslim arson so the people of France can see who their government is importing, protecting, supporting and appeasing and make a decision.
That being said, even if it is islam, the msm story will be muslim backlash, not anything about the building itself. Became islam must be protected at all costs by left.
And why is that exactly?
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (Z3zSO)
Posted by: Kemp at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (3llFN)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (LPVCP)
The Concorde crashed after a piece of metal on the runway damaged it on takeoff from Paris.
The runway hadn't been thoroughly checked and cleared of debris because the crew had been at...safety training.
Posted by: Miklos, can't make this stuff up at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (aKsyK)
But falsely accusing Trump of being a racist and Russian Agent is a okay.
And suggesting my ass. That's exactly what she did.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (rxtQa)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (YslsA)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (uYZSX)
Carrot Ironfoundersson Cochran
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (NWiLs)
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*squinty eyes*
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (0OWcv)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (hdzef)
Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (88+cf)
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Connie Willis wrote a comedy time travel syfy novel about restoring Coventry Cathedral, To Say Nothing of the Dog.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Jewells45 at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (kG5hP)
Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (5Q+j+)
Did you see my tweet to you about naming your new puppy?
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (cF8AT)
I don't think I did. *goes to look*
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (9CkBG)
I am in tears, and I thank God I have seen it in person, but didn't the
bastards tear it down themselves during their revolution less than 200
years ago?
Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (5Q+j+)
No. It has stood for 850 years. Even the Nazis did not destroy it. I'm no papist but this is an architectural icon and today is further proof that evil is winning. Because you will never, ever convince me that this was not a deliberate act of evil. And you know who I'm talking about.
Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (BqBId)
After accidentally spilling a 55gal drum of accelerant.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (1g7ch)
See the twin towers.
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Yep, they do tend to go back and try again with a new and improved plan when their first efforts don't cause as much death and destruction as they intended.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Sharkman at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (Y3hKx)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM
It's a female English bulldog. I suggested naming her either Maggie or Thatcher.
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (cF8AT)
Did you see my tweet to you about naming your new puppy?
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (cF8AT)
Call him 'Marco'!
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Polo!
Dammit...
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (rxtQa)
If it creates a generation of "Soccer Moms turned Security Moms" in France, close enough.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: dartist at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (IXZGh)
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I hate to sound too conspiratorial but I question the timing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (+y/Ru)
The runway hadn't been thoroughly checked and cleared of debris because the crew had been at...safety training.
Posted by: Miklos, can't make this stuff up at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (zCyNd)
To be fair, if I recall that story, the engine cowling had fallen off an old 757 or something like... one or two take offs before and no one immediately noticed.
Which is probably fair.
Although dangerous AF.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (GBteo)
Some rebuilding projects turn out very well. Sir Christopher Wren's version of St. Paul's Cathedral is beautiful in its own English Baroque way, even though it is not a replica of Old St. Paul's, the Gothic cathedral that was destroyed in the Great Fire of London in 1666.
Winston Churchill urged London firefighters to concentrate on saving St. Paul's in 1941 (it suffered two direct hits during the Blitz) on the grounds that its destruction would damage the morale of his war-torn country.
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (pPNCa)
Posted by: Skip at A
needed to make sure the evidence was destroyed.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (MTjB1)
Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (FJYfm)
According to multiple firefighters on the Twatter, Paris' department is considered one of the best in the world. The problem is it's on an island, the roads are narrow and awful, and a cathedral is the worst-case structure design for firefighting.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (ZGrMX)
>Also called it a "historic trauma" and a non-lethal 9/11 for France."
>>The terrorists are killing your ancestors, buddy, by erasing any
record of them. Destroy their historic artifacts, buildings, cemeteries,
etc.
--Posted by: Lizzy
Watch Macron's response to this. Oh, he'll make the usual empty, feckless, political noises about it being a "tragedy", etc. But if there is any hint of stonewalling or a whitewash of an investigation, he'll be signaling that he simply doesn't care about the loss.
He'll also be putting out the subliminal message that it's open season on *any* Christian churches, no matter what denomination. If the loss of historic Notre Dame Cathedral is met with a shrug by the leftist political class, then what guarantee of legal protections do other local Christian congregations have in France?
Posted by: Anonymous 7 at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (DwzBO)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM
It's a female English bulldog. I suggested naming her either Maggie or Thatcher.
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (cF8AT)
I like those suggestions.
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (bcbK
Oh look. Notre Dame isn't the only thing on fire.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (9CkBG)
Posted by: Sharkman at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (Y3hKx)
Maybe we should return the favor for giving us the statue of liberty and donate a fire truck or two to Paris.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (cF8AT)
I realize it's a 750 year old cathedral but you'd think they'd have retrofitted it with a halon fire suppression system.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Sharkman at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (Y3hKx)
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That's can't be right, can it? If so, Paris is a tinderbox and a big fire would spread like, well, wildfire and destroy the city with relative ease. I know they use a lot of stone construction, but that defies belief - especially in a city where rioters set fires with relative frequency.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (I2dne)
According to multiple firefighters on the Twatter, Paris' department is considered one of the best in the world. The problem is it's on an island, the roads are narrow and awful, and a cathedral is the worst-case structure design for firefighting.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (ZGrMX)
Especially when you don't try.
7 hours.
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Posted by: csmats at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (X5VFN)
In the choir, there existed a first frame with woods felled around 1160-1170 (it is estimated that some could have 300 to 400 years, which brings us to the 8th or 9th centuries !!!). This first frame has disappeared, but woods were reused in the second frame set up in 1220. They are still there today. Why this second frame?
- Fire, it's not impossible.
http://tinyurl.com/y3dobcjv
Posted by: Braenyard at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (2PgZd)
President Trump is endangering the life of one of their members
Why can't they spend their time focusing on more worthwhile pursuits? Retrieving our flag from Mars would be a good start.
Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (vtcmf)
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (cF8AT)
Sharia.
Because British.
Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (IXZGh)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (0O7c5)
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If it did turn out to be a deliberate act by muzzies, I'm not sure Macron would let that get out to the public. That would enrage the French (the real ones), and he's already got more than he can handle with the Yellow Vests.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (fqUgw)
Even if it does turn out to be an accident, it could still be related to the timing. Say, if the workers were cutting corners trying to get something ready before Easter.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (0OWcv)
The runway hadn't been thoroughly checked and cleared of debris because the crew had been at...safety training.
Errr, no. The cowling strip that came off the Continental flight fell off five minutes before Concorde flight 4590 took off.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (7s3Gx)
Zee permite she is , how you say, "held up" in zee Departmente Nacional du Environment.
Posted by: Chief Fire Inspector Clouseau at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (LL1Be)
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If you strike him down, he'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (bim/x)
They didn't tear it down, but they destroyed some of the interior statuary in the 1790s and desecrated the high altar by enthroning a naked prostitute on it as the Goddess of Reason.
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (pPNCa)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (GBteo)
And throw Puerto Rico in, too.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (ASicf)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
Surprised as well. IIRC, the new Houston fire boats can pump somewhere around 500+ feet...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (6qErC)
Ok, the live feed people are dissing Trump over his water drop advice.
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (cF8AT)
Probably failed to understand the meaning of the word "Perhaps".
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (ZGrMX)
THIS. Sadly, a lot of us Americans don't realize how hard it is to navigate big American LaFrance style fire trucks (seriously, that IS the brand name of most of them) through the narrow medieval era streets of this area.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (ujg0T)
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If you strike him down, he'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (+y/Ru)
No one's ever REALLY gone
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Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (IXZGh)
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I hate to sound too conspiratorial but I question the timing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM
I'll withhold judgement until more data is available.
As mentioned earlier this morning, there isn't a church in Europe that doesn't have scaffolding around it. As long as they are under repair, they pay less in taxes. First question here...was anyone even working today on the scaffolding?
Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (U7k5w)
British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just
took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your
help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's
suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
Sure - that's why there's no cathedral now - because they didn't need anyone's help.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (37IEG)
Helos with buckets.
They do it all the time out here.
Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (dIb4M)
Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (G0vdT)
Reminds me of the bit by a comedian who said he owned the hatchet George Washington used to cut down the cherry tree.
He said the handle broke about 50 years ago and had to be replaced and about 25 years ago the the hatchet blade had cracked and had to be replaced .
But though it doesn't have any of the original parts it still occupies the same spot.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (rxtQa)
And why is that exactly?
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (Z3zSO)
Proxy army against Christians and Christianity.
Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (YmfOS)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
Noted, then.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (bcbK8)
However, TIME columnist Christopher J. Hale tweeted, "A Jesuit friend in Paris who works in #NotreDame told me cathedral staff said the fire was intentionally set."
Here's a link to their website: https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxqtell2
Go there and you can see who Chris Hale's tweet which has since been deleted. Checked him out on Twitter and he's a dem, worked for Obama, and ran (unsuccessfully) for office in TN.
Posted by: IrishEi at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (NtglE)
Posted by: California.... at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (NgKpN)
If the French want this rebulit, they should spearhead this. If they do not, well then, it's over for Christian France. Just declare Islam the religion of the state and get it over with.
Posted by: shibumi
"Well, it wasn't my house on fire..."
Heard often prior to 4805AD
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (uAgHA)
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (hdzef)
A big part of that sloppiness is that a building that important, and that iconic, should have had sprinklers, automatic fire suppression systems, early warning sensors, etc. But like every great ancient building in Europe, I'm sure that no one ever spent one penny to have any of those things installed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (Kpl3J)
Okay - they will erect a glass trapezoid that will feature 24 hour, 7 days a week LGBTQWTF dance and poetry slams.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (hLRSq)
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Thatcher would be a great name.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (lWCRE)
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (NWiLs)
I think you meant "Muslims".
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (UnA8+)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (fqUgw)
I'm not sure anyone still gives a shit what the French government thinks. If they can't explain how the fire got so bad over seven hours, someone will die.
Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (6n54H)
Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (dIb4M)
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It's not some American island but an historic medieval city. Meaning built to withstand seiges in it's day. And probably medieval seiges engines with a similar arc.
Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (O5f1Y)
Same thing on churches in Germany.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (zBaqJ)
Halon would kill all occupants. May not even made any more.
If they tried wet pipe sprinklers that would have been minimal effort.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (pPNCa)
LOL. Nothing promotes reason in a man like a naked chick.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (ASicf)
or will Gun Control and Immigration reform be required ?
Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (lWCRE)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (ASicf)
...Shit, are still carrying PR on our balance sheet?
I thought we wrote that off decades ago.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (GBteo)
Good point, but they won't get Sir Christopher Wren. They'll get some hack like Frank Gehry, and I said on the previous post, they'll get something that looks like a post-tornado trailer park after the rubble has been bulldozed into a pile.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (0OWcv)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
Yeah, they're doing a bang-up job all on their own.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (BJKQV)
If it did turn out to be a deliberate act by muzzies, I'm not sure Macron would let that get out to the public.
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Depending on who had access to the report, the choice to release it to the public might end up taken out of his hands.
This will need to be watched very closely.
Posted by: junior at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (Fp6vo)
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French building codes were fairly lax during the dark ages.
Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (9CkBG)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun
Well...yeah. I think they do need his help. They need somebody's help.
Posted by: eleven at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (NLLmE)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (U7k5w)
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Rebuilding fire damaged property is what I do for a living.
There is going to be nothing to save.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
Noted, then.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (bcbK
Enjoy your imminent status as an Islamic Country, France.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (UnA8+)
Halon relies on choking out fire by replacing oxygen, that would be nearly impossible in an 850 year old building with that much internal space.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (MTjB1)
Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (G0vdT)
Reminds me of the bit by a comedian who said he owned the hatchet George Washington used to cut down the cherry tree.
He said the handle broke about 50 years ago and had to be replaced and about 25 years ago the the hatchet blade had cracked and had to be replaced .
But though it doesn't have any of the original parts it still occupies the same spot.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (rxtQa)
The paradox of Theses's Ship. I wrote, and sold, a story along those lines.
If you replace everything, piece by piece, at what point does it stop being what it was?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (zBaqJ)
Halon has the unfortunate side effect of killing you if you are caught in it.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (kUmUV)
Metal strip falls off preceding plane. Concord runs over the strip and cuts the rubber. Tyre disintegrates and slings a large chunk of rubber into a wing fuel tank puncturing it while damaging wiring. So fuel is pouring out while the throttle is open and voila one long flaming disaster.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (uYZSX)
Flame retardant isn't 100 percent water.
Those "people" are stupid.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (6qErC)
By the way, I'm writing this from an 95 year old school house that was burned out in the 1980's and converted to condos in 1990's. The only thing original is the outer 2-foot think granite walls... which makes me hopeful all the major outer structure of Notre Dame will sill be standing once the flame are extinguished.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (Xqo6t)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (bcbK
Apparently BCochran doesn't. Never responded to them...on Twitter or here.
I thought they were cute!
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
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Aerial bombardment with water might not work, and I know France is not known for crappy fire response and that no one like amateurs butting in during a crisis - but c'mon. They teased Barry when he sent freaking James Taylor to sing them a song after a terror attack, but never attacked him even for that humiliating and appalling "gesture."
People need to come to grips.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (x3tTl)
Yeah lady, clearly you did
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: AnnaS at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (7eotl)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (uYZSX)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
So ... unlike WWI and WWII, then?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (x3tTl)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (AB9tT)
Halon would kill all occupants. May not even made any more.
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Its not made any more because of the toxicity fears, which were unfounded and overblown....kinda like DDT.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (8XRCm)
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Depends doesn't it.
Let's say you have an old car - maybe your dad's old car. And you restore it over the years to the point that everything is a new part.
Would you still consider it your dad's old car?
I would.
Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (TAmPV)
Way ahead of you on that one.
Posted by: zombie Robert Paxton McCullogh at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (TfwlC)
Posted by: ROP at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (4Eo4+)
He's an Irish f**k who hates America. Who cares what that sh***bag utters?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (6qErC)
Rebuilding fire damaged property is what I do for a living.
There is going to be nothing to save.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (8XRCm)
They're going to have to structurally level this thing right? They can't use any of that stone after this heat treatment even if it looks like it survived can they?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (uYZSX)
A raging fire generates an updraft that would most likely dispel any Halon.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (x3tTl)
reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.
Excellent.
You Vichy fuckers can form an alliance with Iran and get that shit done.
Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (LL1Be)
A. Halon is now banned.
B. It wouldn't work in this environment.
Sprinklers or water mist and it still would have been impractical.
Posted by: Earl Sheib at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (/tuJf)
not that they had some or that we could have gotten them there.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (MTjB1)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
Does the President have superpowers? How can he provoke maximum cuntiness in his enemies, which is inversely proportional to their effect?
Notre Dame burns for hours: ah well, c'est la vie.
Nationalists protest: SHOOT TO KILL!
Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (6n54H)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (37IEG)
I don't know how hot the fire is burning, or what the properties of limestone are, but... idk, might be ok.
Wouldn't bet on it though.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (GBteo)
Huh? The fire only started four hours ago.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (x3tTl)
I'd been hearing it took two hours for them to get on site and staged.
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (/tuJf)
__________________
Ms. Immigration Fraudster is the one who downplayed the 9/11 ISLAMIC terror attacks, and Trump wasn't the only American who was offended by her remarks.
If she doesn't want to be criticized for her ignorant public comments, she should stop making them.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (MTjB1)
Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (bcbK
I learned the answer to that question when I replaced every part of a pre-made computer with new parts, ages ago.
It stopped being the same thing (though one can argue it still carries the lineage) when the last original part was replaced.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (UnA8+)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
Those two have sort of assumed the authority to accept or refuse assistance, haven't they. I didn't know reporters were now the French and Parisian governments.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Off the reservation at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (vWMNq)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (bcbK8)
hack like Frank Gehry, and I said on the previous post, they'll get
something that looks like a post-tornado trailer park after the rubble
has been bulldozed into a pile.
That's right. The talent to do stuff like that is gone. Plus how long did it take to build it, 200 years?
Posted by: dartist at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (K22Va)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (uYZSX)
True, except this time it looks like an accident. We shall see
Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (O2RFr)
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Along with my arsenal!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (+y/Ru)
Mad dog?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (7s3Gx)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (37IEG)
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Nope.
I belive the church is limestome. All of that is going to spall. The heat changes the limestone to calcium carbonate.
Even if it were granite, I doubt that would survive that hot of a fire.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (8XRCm)
IIRC, it's about a hundred feet or so the chapel on the side closest to the water, so pretty much the entire structure would be within range of a modern fire boat...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (6qErC)
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Its a really really big volume to fill. Maybe if the attic was where it started and that was a smaller enclosed space, but really, get a fire going in an attic in a medieval cathedral, its over. Complicating factors include, French people, island limited access.
Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (DYNzp)
Halon relies on choking out fire by replacing oxygen, that would be nearly impossible in an 850 year old building with that much internal space.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (39g3+)
Concealed space between the barrel vault ceiling and the high pitched is vast. It would be no problem running conventional wet pipe sprinklers there.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (1g7ch)
>>Old wood
Just a hint of Friction can set that stuff off.
Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (dIb4M)
Especially in the morning.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (t6MX/)
Posted by: rammajamma at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (AjNMO)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (QTTaq)
If I was Jewish and I'm not but if I was, I'd draw up a plan to disappear that little fuckstick because at every turn he says stupid shit that is either intentional or because he is autistic that doesn't bring good faith towards the Jewish community.
When the war against the wizards begin, he will be the first to go.
Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (YmfOS)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (7s3Gx)
McDonnell douglas DC-10
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (MTjB1)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (9CkBG)
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"No! Now go away before we make fun of you a second time!"
Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (O5f1Y)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (bcbK
I learned the answer to that question when I replaced every part of a pre-made computer with new parts, ages ago.
It stopped being the same thing (though one can argue it still carries the lineage) when the last original part was replaced.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (UnA8+)
That is one answer.
There IS a line, I think. Probably not at 50%, maybe at 25% original where the nature of the thing, or person, has changed.
But I'm willing to entertain the opposite view that there is something of the spirit that continues on even if parts change.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (bcbK8)
391 dammit
Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (/tuJf)
The fire or something else?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (bcbK
Don't cry over spilled bong water.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (t6MX/)
I'd been hearing it took two hours for them to get on site and staged.
Probably their lunch break.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (7s3Gx)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at A
so the downside would have been?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (MTjB1)
But enough about Cher.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (+y/Ru)
Wouldn't bet on it though.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (GBteo)
Concrete can be affected by heat, but like you I'm not sure on stone. Fire like that I would think most of the heat would go up so the temperature on the walls may not be that bad. It won't be the same, but if any of the walls remain and have been compromised they could be supported by a light steel frame in the inside.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (kUmUV)
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (pPNCa)
Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (5Q+j+)
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One of Terry Pratchett's novels (can't remember which one off the top of my head) ended on a similar note. The villains plotted to destroy and counterfeit an important physical cultural icon... without realizing that the icon had naturally decayed and been secretly replaced multiple times over the centuries.
Posted by: junior at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (Fp6vo)
A. Halon is now banned.
B. It wouldn't work in this environment.
Sprinklers or water mist and it still would have been impractical.
Posted by: Earl Sheib at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (/tuJf)
This.
Another thing is that halon can smother an incipient fire, but when fed into a raging fire can itself be destroyed. Even carbon tetrachloride, when exposed to fire, results in production of phosgene. Tres nasty stuff.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (x3tTl)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (U7k5w)
but I bet some of your best friends are trumps ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (bim/x)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (MTjB1)
Building got destroyed by fire anyway. I don't see how destroying with water would have been any worse.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (J+mig)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,
Si, es verdad.
Posted by: Miklos, Havana taxi driver at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (zCyNd)
They will have to be drowning in their own children's blood before they ask us openly for help.
Posted by: Martell at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (N7J/1)
Posted by: Barack Obama at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (SkuXa)
Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (QTTaq)
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Hello first name only troll guy.
Tell your Mom I left my jacket hanging on the bedpost and Ill pick it up next time Im by for a sleep over.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (U7k5w)
It was Notre Dame. they should have been ALL OVER IT, trying anything, asking for help
ANYTHING
not just filming smoke, then flames, then bits falling off. then one guy with a damn hose.
COME ON!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (Rarvo)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (MTjB1)
The complete destruction of the building and damage to surrounding buildings. Other than that, not much.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (9CkBG)
Any chance somebody -- anybody! -- in France has woken up and is actually planning ahead for something this devastating?
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (ebZss)
I live in fire country and while I agree they use fire retardant, I stood and watched them fill up buckets with water from the lake and helicopter it and dump
Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Martell at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (N7J/1)
Don't tease me
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (U7k5w)
I laid the wood to a young frenchie once in israel
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (bim/x)
Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (QTTaq)
I suspect he's a lot brighter than you.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (x3tTl)
Posted by: REDACTED at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (RZ6R1)
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (kUmUV)
I think if stone gets hot enough, it starts to crack.
But I could be wrong, after all, I am just a moron.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: wth at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at A
yes, everything is gone now, might have recovered some of the art were it water.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (MTjB1)
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Could be. Never seen a modern fire boat. I'm offering variables that might affect the choice on using them.
Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (O5f1Y)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (bim/x)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,
Si, es verdad.
Posted by: Miklos, Havana taxi driver at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (zCyNd)
Say what you want about 'em, Cubans know how to maintain a car.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (oVJmc)
Correct. Wiki's got a nice little writeup of the whole affair. And Air Crash Investigation highlighted the difficulties the investigators had in figuring out the fuel tank had in fact ruptured rather than had been punctured.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (7s3Gx)
Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (14URa)
You're here why?
I mean really...what do you hope to accomplish?
Do you really believe you'll have a chance in hell?
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (cF8AT)
-
Lincoln was shot on the 14th, died on the 15th.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (+y/Ru)
The Templar's were arrested on the 13th...
Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (gmo/4)
You don't want to be anywhere near a place where halon is exposed to fire. As you said, very nasty.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (/tuJf)
Nope.
I belive the church is limestome. All of that is going to spall. The heat changes the limestone to calcium carbonate.
Even if it were granite, I doubt that would survive that hot of a fire.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (8XRCm)
And of course just wait till someone remembers the burning lead environmental issues.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (O2RFr)
++++++++++
When we have a wildfire it is usually retardant for wide-area bombardment (C130-based fire tankers) and water for the targeted stuff (helicopter drops). It's thankfully been a few years since my mountain caught on fire so that may have changed but it has been the norm of most of my life.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (I2dne)
This is brilliant, it reads like an actual Trump sentence!! Ha!
Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (QTTaq)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at A
so? what happened? where do you think you get more of the art inside? water damage of fire? would you rather have your house burned or flooded?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (MTjB1)
But enough about Cher.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (oVJmc)
LOL!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Robbie
________________
An "idiot" billionaire who got himself elected president.
You should be that stupid.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (fqUgw)
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No.
Posted by: Rorschach at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (SkuXa)
muzzies, I'm not sure Macron would let that get out to the public. That
would enrage the French (the real ones), and he's already got more than
he can handle with the Yellow Vests.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (fqUgw)
No, it won't. There's no "real French" left. Or "real europeans." There are only atheist SJW NPCs who will say that the cathedral deserved to burn because it was a symbol of christian oppression against muslims and part of the old cis-normal anti-LGBTXYZZZ religious patriarchy.BTW - I'm not kidding. Even a little bit.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (LPVCP)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (oVJmc)
Oh, Mr. Peebles, just when I think I don't have a laugh in me, there you are. Bless your heart, darlin.
Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (14URa)
turner and others painted it.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (Pg+x7)
Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (O2RFr)
Solomon Grundy was born on a Monday
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (NWiLs)
But he never could beat Batman
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (t6MX/)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (uYZSX)
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Crews were first called to Holy Name Cathedral, 735 N. State Street, around 5:30 a.m....
Flames were shooting from the roof when firefighters arrived quickly from the station down the street...
It didn't take long for the flames to grow feeding on the old, heavy timber in the roof. Tower ladder trucks poured the water on from outside, but without an inside attack the cathedral quite likely would have been lost.
To get at the fire from inside, firefighters had to run nearly 500 feet of hose through the front door, straight up a vertical ladder, through a three by three opening into an attic filled with smoke, and somehow make their way on narrow wooden planks.
"They had to crawl through so much - loose boards, a thirty foot drop to a ceiling 100 years old," said John Martinez, Chicago firefighter.
Early signs indicate the fire began in a space between the cathedral's decorative ceiling and the roof line, in an area just above, behind and to the side of the altar. The attic space is rich with timber trusses and beams that make perfect fuel for a fire. Flames quickly poked through the roof as water from fire department hoses poured into the building.
Some firefighters had only been on the job for just three days.
"We're well trained. We were trained very well," said Yonan Bitivin, Chicago Fire Dept. candidate...
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I suppose if you fight fires in a city that was completely destroyed by fire, you just might take fighting fires seriously.
Posted by: Boots at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (e9omi)
Say what you want about 'em, Cubans know how to maintain a car.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (bcbK
They really know how to flip em over and float on them all the way to Florida.
Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (IXZGh)
would you rather have your house burned or flooded?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (MTjB1)
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Burned.
I dont carry flood insurance.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Julius Caesar at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (84QUd)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (MTjB1)
The structure itself, at this point, is not completely destroyed. And you're ignoring the risk to surrounding buildings.
Look, I don't know if the response was correct. Hell the response is still ongoing. But no one else here knows if it was correct either.
Alright, I'm out. Gotta go pick up the kiddos. Stay safe Horde.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (9CkBG)
Posted by: Brody at April 15, 2019 03:52 PM (4Eo4+)
a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?
The sluts at Notre Dame university who rebelled against the mother of four boys who wrote the letter suggesting that the women at the campus cathedral consider modesty over public wearing of yoga pants.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 15, 2019 03:52 PM (lD3vL)
similar in regards to a major historical building in the center of a european city. outside of war.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:52 PM (Pg+x7)
Case in point: USS Constitution. And God help anyone who tries to set fire to Old Ironsides.
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:52 PM (pPNCa)
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:53 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2019 03:54 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:54 PM (0tfLf)
You should be that stupid.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (fqUgw)
He outsmarted 17 GOP rivals, Hillarhoid, and routinely owns every Democrat, and sows dissension within the Democrat Party. Most recently, by musing about putting illegal aliens in "sanctuary" cities. Half of the Reds are enraged, the other half are trying to pretend that that would be OK, all the while hoping to God he doesn't actually do it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:57 PM (x3tTl)
There IS a line, I think. Probably not at 50%, maybe at 25% original where the nature of the thing, or person, has changed.
It has been estimated that the entire human body's cells are replaced within a seven to ten year span.
So every ten years, you are a completely different person.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 15, 2019 03:57 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:57 PM (QTTaq)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (uAgHA)
Woah.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (9CkBG)
He's gonna strip a gear on Ace's time machine.
Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2019 03:58 PM (xjiRE)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (9CkBG)
Not necessarily. You know that firefighters occasionally get hit with these dumps.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:58 PM (rxtQa)
Presume he has pre-arranged his two fuel stops? Don't think they do tankers.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 04:00 PM (8ZmvG)
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 04:00 PM (ZGrMX)
13th century craftsmanship is nearly impossible to replicate. It takes painstaking research and work by specialists.
This muslims have been threatening this great Glory to God to decades. The cause of this great destruction is obvious. Europe needs the new crusades right in their midst. Otherwise, the enemy within will have won.
Posted by: Cascadia at April 15, 2019 04:01 PM (Q4yvj)
If there was any truth to that, the accusations that they've made over the years would have created a body count that would make Game of Thrones look like a picnic.
Posted by: AoSHQ betting window at April 15, 2019 04:01 PM (NeSSd)
I dont carry flood insurance.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (8XRCm)
I know it was just snark but : You would be covered for the resulting water damage . It would not be considered 'flooding' . Water damage that entered into a opening caused by a covered peril is covered under your homeowners policy,
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 04:02 PM (rxtQa)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 04:02 PM (U7k5w)
The building I worked in had the corporate data center upstairs with a Halon tank the size of a railroad car.
We were encouraged to exit as quickly as possible should a fire alarm go off.
Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2019 04:02 PM (88+cf)
Posted by: Robbie
Come suck my Pulitzer. If there was anything there, he would be under prosecution. The reason you're here is that you're a whiny bitch.
Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty at April 15, 2019 04:03 PM (NeSSd)
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 04:05 PM (U7k5w)
Even if it were granite, I doubt that would survive that hot of a fire.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (8XRCm)
Limestone is calcium carbonate. Often very pure, in fact. It is mined for that purpose. It will spall in a hot fire, possibly from water of crystallization flashing to steam. And enough heat drives out CO2, leaving behind lime, CaO. And the resulting lime has no structural strength.
Posted by: zombie Robert Paxton McCullogh at April 15, 2019 04:07 PM (TfwlC)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2019 04:08 PM (TfwlC)
Your prolapse is leaving a slimy trail again.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2019 04:10 PM (TfwlC)
Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 15, 2019 04:11 PM (LL1Be)
No, "Off, 'My Balls Must Match Exactly' sock"?
Not even a "Off, Injection is nice but I'd rather be blown sock"?
C'mon, man...
You didn't get a 'heh' on that so I'll presume no one here has been to
Lake Havasu City. People used to say he'd bought the wrong bridge.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 04:14 PM (8ZmvG)
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (8XRCm)
very cool
Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 04:18 PM (C7rlo)
Posted by: Onicisor 1183 at April 15, 2019 04:19 PM (I50Lz)
I'm beginning to lose faith in him a little bit.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 04:22 PM (8ZmvG)
What with almost a millennia of multi-generational work emblematic of Western civilization burning down in a day.
Beloved wife points out also-- Notré Dame burning at the start of holy week? I'm CURIOUS how this is going to shake out. Any banlieues in the vicinity, one wonders? Purely out of my abiding love of French geography that I have just now remembered I have, you understand.
Still, nothing for it but to wait for the investigation. Should we find we know very little about how the fire started-- especially in regards to particulars of the who and why, if it WASN'T a simple construction-related fire, which in fairness it COULD be-- well, perhaps we will therefore know quite a lot.
Posted by: FlamethrowerInTheDark at April 15, 2019 04:23 PM (zlzYb)
Don't you remember the Deepwater Horizon? Now that was a fire. And the ships fighting it would never fit in the Seine. They are way too big.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA6Fx7ZEST0
Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (EMi53)
Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (3GR94)
I think we need to keep a little perspective that in religious terms both pro and con, that it one screwed-up country that no one should want to emulate.
It is a shame that their beautiful church burned down. I'm down with that.
That's it for me.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (8ZmvG)
Posted by: Julius Caesar at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (84QUd)
Yes, but it is on the 13th, not the 15th
Posted by: Oldcat at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (UxbT4)
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Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)