Deep State Conspirators Filed a Motion To Share Their Unmasked Targets With Foreign Intelligence Services, Thereby Pointing Out Which Persons Foreign Intelligence Should Spy On -- Without Any Constitutional Protections for US Services

Obama did this, and NeverTrump supports Obama in this, as they supported so much of Obama's agenda.

Remember the US intelligence trick? They can't spy on US citizens without a warrant sufficient to clear the probable cause evidentiary hurdle. But if they tell foreign intelligence services to do the spying and slip the results back to the US intelligence community, they get their spying done by proxy, avoiding a judge's scrutiny and any intersection with the US Constitution at all.

I think that that sort of thing maybe can be used on occasion. When there's something very serious to investigate.

But here? No one has been charged with any kind of espionage or conspiracy with Russia after two and half, maybe three years of foreign intelligence service wiretaps, US wiretaps, undercover agent infiltration, grand jury investigations, etc.

Was this really the sort of situation where you resort to the anti-constitutional back door to get your spy on?

Well, it is -- if you're determined to win an election for your successor and the intelligence community supports you in that, and no one minds that they are devolving the United States of America into the grubbiest, most venal third world junta.

A secret memo granted broad rights to the FBI to share information gathered under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act with foreign officials.
Two-way exchange of information with foreign officials could allow the politicized targeting of Americans, since foreign nations aren’' obligated to uphold the U.S. Constitution.
The efforts by the Justice Department to gather information on Trump aides repeatedly involved figures associated with foreign agencies.
Foreign allies strongly opposed President Donald Trump declassifying information illuminating the investigation into Russian collusion.

Gee, I wonder why our foreign allies oppose this move so much.

Well, their names can be blacked out and recorded as "FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES 1 and 2" as we do when we mask other actors we don't wish to embarrass.

But the story of how the Obama Administration weaponized the intelligence community to rig an election must be told.

Monica Crowley argues in favor of a theory many of us believe -- that the intelligence community, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Rice, etc. have been attacking Trump as viciously as possible because they know that they themselves might be facing actual criminal proceedings, and they want to make the record as dirty as possible so that non prosecutor would press such a case involving accusations and counter-accusations.

The best defense, the saying goes, is a good offense.
The key orchestrators of the Big Trump-Russia Collusion Lie seem to have hewed tightly to that tactical advice.
Over the past two years, one of their biggest "tells" has been their hyper-aggressive and gratuitous attacks on the president. Given that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation found no collusion or obstruction of justice, their constant broadsides now look, in retrospect, like calculated pre-emptive strikes to deflect attention and culpability away from themselves.
By accusing Mr. Trump of what they themselves were guilty of, they created a masterful distraction through projection.
We now know that former FBI Director James Comey and his deputy, Andrew McCabe, are hip-deep in the conspiracy. Both wrote supposed "tell-all" books and carpet-bombed the media with interviews in which they regularly flung criminal accusations against the president. Whenever asked about their own roles, they reverted to denouncing Mr. Trump.
With Mr. Mueller's findings, Mr. Comey's and Mr. McCabe's media benders look increasingly suspicious.
As do those of their comrades in the Obama national security apparatus, including former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and his partner in possible crime, former CIA Director John Brennan, who, apart from former President Barack Obama himself, may be the biggest player of them all.

Crowley collects up a lot of evidence supporting this theory, but you'll have to go to he link for that. (I don't like linking a third party, usually, but you can read the full article here if you can't see it through the real link to the Washington Times.)

Julie Kelly at AmGreat also has her eye on John Brennan.

It was clear that Gowdy, who left office this year, already suspected Brennan largely had relied on the infamous Steele dossier as the primary source for his claims about Russian election activity.
Gowdy asked Brennan directly whether the CIA had relied on the dossier.
"No," Brennan answered. "It wasn't part of the corpus of intelligence information that we had. It was not in any way used as a basis for the intelligence community's assessment that was done. Uh, it was, it was not."
...
[T]he report was always thin gruel to fortify such a damning accusation; the substance of the document runs about 12 pages with plenty of white space, irrelevant images and a graph of the social media footprint of news outlets such as Russia Today and CNN....
Did Brennan Lie to Congress?
Now, there are questions about Brennan’s truthfulness in that testimony. On Wednesday, Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) tweeted that "a high-level source tells me it was Brennan who insisted that the unverified and fake Steele dossier be included in the Intelligence Report . . . Brennan should be asked to testify under oath in Congress ASAP."

It's a widely held belief -- which can't yet be proven, because the FBI and DOJ won't tell us anything about what they did to get the FISA wiretap authorization -- that the First FISA application, which was denied by the court, relied almost entirely on the dossier.

Having had that "corpus of intelligence" rejected as bullshit, they then attempted to phony up a case against George Papadopolous and Carter Page and get a FISA warrant based mostly on bullshit about them -- while still referencing the dossier.

Again, we can't prove this, but it is interesting that the FBI and DOJ are so stridently opposed to telling the people who pay their salaries what did happen here.

Finally, Devon Nunes says he might refer up to two dozen people for possible criminal charges, largely owing to lying to Congress and investigators -- a criminal law which has previously only applied to Republicans or Republican-associates, but which it's time to begin imposing on Democrats and Obama officials.

Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., appeared to raise exceptions for the number of people who could be the subject of a criminal referral he plans to submit to the Justice Department in the coming days that focuses on the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation.
...
"The American people need to have confidence in the FBI and the Department of Justice. We are working on the referrals," Nunes said. "There's going to be many of them. There are going to probably at least be a dozen if not two dozen individuals, and as we continue to get more information and build these and build them out, we want to make sure that everything is finished before we turn them in."
Affirming commentary by host Sean Hannity about preventing future underhanded tactics to undermine President Trump, Nunes said, "There are people who definitely lied and misled Congress, OK? If they don't go to prison, we are going to have a two-tier Justice Department, justice system in this country and it is not going to be good for the American people."

To quote Comey Conduit Benjamin Wittes...

tick tick tick tick tick....

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 05:04 PM

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1 So far the conspirators have gone unindicted

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2019 05:06 PM (U7k5w)

2 Barack Mugabe is the gift that keeps on giving....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 04, 2019 05:06 PM (Z+IKu)

3 A foist?

Posted by: CN at April 04, 2019 05:06 PM (U7k5w)

4 I so hope this tick-tock pans out

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2019 05:08 PM (O2RFr)

5 As the first direct hard evidence of the long-inferred foreign intelligence agency shennanigans pertaining to unlawful spying on domestic political opponents - which was assumed to be the cause behind the UK's declassification freakout - this could be a really big fucking deal

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 04, 2019 05:08 PM (eAshZ)

6 Foreign allies strongly opposed President Donald Trump declassifying
information illuminating the investigation into Russian collusion.

Trump needs to keep the FISA stuff under seal until October 2020. $hit will get real then.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 04, 2019 05:08 PM (JUOKG)

7 Remember the US intelligence trick? They can't spy on US citizens without a warrant sufficient to clear the probable cause evidentiary hurdle. But if they tell foreign intelligence services to do the spying and slip the results back to the US intelligence community, they get their spying done by proxy, avoiding a judge's scrutiny and any intersection with the US Constitution at all.

It's my finest professional achievement.

Posted by: John Brennan at April 04, 2019 05:08 PM (sy5kK)

8 aaaand...

NOW you know why Susan Powers was doing the Un-Masking.

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:09 PM (Y5i3u)

9 I kind of hope dirty judges exonerate Brennan even after all the damning evidence is registered. When most Republicans no longer honor the law, it will mean a lot less wasted effort on legal niceties and RuleOfLaw cuckery.

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:09 PM (JH+YW)

10 Any "solution" that doesn't significantly reduce the size and scope of the DOJ and FBI is no solution at all.

Build a Secret Police - and they'll act like one.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:09 PM (mvp+a)

11 Many of our allies are anything but. Between France, Germany, and now the UK, who needs enemies?

Posted by: Someguy at April 04, 2019 05:09 PM (S00Id)

12 Ultimately it probably doesn't even matter if there aren't any indictments prior to 2020; if this gets out in the open, we're likely off into 2-terms territory.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 04, 2019 05:09 PM (eAshZ)

13 Out the foreign fuckers.

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2019 05:10 PM (BXMxN)

14 Out the foreign fuckers.

I agree

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2019 05:10 PM (O2RFr)

15 -----think that that sort of thing maybe can be used on occasion. When there's something very serious to investigate.----

I think if they established something was that serious they would have the evidentiary evidence needed to get a warrant.

There is no excuse for allowing this work around. It makes a joke of our Constitutional protections.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:11 PM (V86aL)

16 I so wish for action but the rot runs very deep. Maybe too deep to cut out.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 04, 2019 05:11 PM (RD7QR)

17 Did Brennan Lie to Congress?

Well, then, put a letter of reprimand in his file!

That will teach him!

Posted by: #Nevers and Flakes at April 04, 2019 05:12 PM (sy5kK)

18 You don't spy on Citizens. You spy on Serfs.

We live in a Police State.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:12 PM (mvp+a)

19 Repeal the PATRIOT Act.
Dissolve the FBI and CIA.
Winnow out DoJ like the Mongols through the steppes.

And every damned Congresscritter who was in on this is banned from office and imprisoned for life.

At that point, maybe...and I mean maybe...we can discuss me ever trusting the Federal Government. Ever. Again.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 04, 2019 05:12 PM (AM1GF)

20 Remember very early on a leak of the convesation of Trump with the Aussie pm and the Aussie pm saying nasty things about Trump?Those sheep fuckers are part of the plot for sure.

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2019 05:12 PM (BXMxN)

21 You don't spy on Citizens. You spy on Serfs.

In their minds the ends justify the means... because Trump bad!

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2019 05:13 PM (O2RFr)

22 Let the arkancides begin.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Of Girth at April 04, 2019 05:13 PM (giapq)

23 I so wish for action but the rot runs very deep. Maybe too deep to cut out.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to

Sometimes, it has to be burned out.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 04, 2019 05:13 PM (AM1GF)

24 Wow! Trump punts again on border security giving Mexico another year to stop the trafficking and drugs or he will totally close the border in a year.
I'm seeing a disturbing pattern on immigration with him at this point that can't be ignored.
*types*
*deletes*

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/ 2019-04-04/trump-punts-border-closure- gives-mexico-year-stop-flow-drugs-immigrants-us

Posted by: literally serious at April 04, 2019 05:13 PM (zmPFY)

25

This 2minute vid is very good and deserves your support:

Another Day In Trump's America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_EoMmuqVU

Posted by: Soothie at April 04, 2019 05:13 PM (/XLap)

26 Riddle:

After Adm Rodger's blew this up and Trump knew everything - why didn't they bail and shred everything. Did they all come up with Monica Crowley's 'create FUD' defense together? I love to see the transcripts of that signal chat.

Posted by: Jean at April 04, 2019 05:14 PM (25Dt7)

27 There is no excuse for allowing this work around. It makes a joke of our Constitutional protections.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation

Between this and their cozy arrangement with Silicon Valley, the Constitution is a mere technicality to these worthless scumbags.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 04, 2019 05:14 PM (AM1GF)

28 We live in a Police State.
Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:12 PM (mvp+a)

Well I'm glad somebody else finally figured that out.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 04, 2019 05:14 PM (t3CIe)

29
If I wrote what I hope happens to these bastards here....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2019 05:14 PM (zBaqJ)

30 since foreign nations aren't obligated to uphold the U.S. Constitution

beep beep, hooray!
beep beep, hooray!

Posted by: RBG at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (786Ro)

31 a theory many of us believe -- that the intelligence community, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Rice, etc. have been attacking Trump as viciously as possible because they know that they themselves might be facing actual criminal proceedings"

Nah. They're not that smaht. They were just soiling their diapers, and hoping the shiite would stick.

It didn't.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (6qErC)

32 Technical question here. Is Nunes pouncing or seizing?

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (JgA4k)

33 10s of 1000s should be locked up at Gitmo by now.

Posted by: literally serious at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (zmPFY)

34 Foreign allies strongly opposed President Donald Trump declassifying information illuminating the investigation into Russian collusion.

Because it will show all their shady shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (trcbu)

35 >>There is no excuse for allowing this work around. It makes a joke of our Constitutional protections.

The people charged with upholding our Constitution are the people making a joke out of our Constitutional Protections.

A LOT of these people belong up against the wall.

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (Y5i3u)

36 Bottom line, ubama was non-American. The guys was however real muslim born and raised.

Posted by: Eromero at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (qBNEP)

37 I see our secret racist friend is back.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Of Girth at April 04, 2019 05:16 PM (giapq)

38 >>Obama did this

Kenya Dig It?

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:16 PM (Y5i3u)

39 36 Bottom line, ubama was non-American. The guys was however real muslim born and raised.
Posted by: Eromero at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (qBNEP)

Yet nobody in power cares.

Posted by: Ignored Facts at April 04, 2019 05:16 PM (sy5kK)

40 State,local,Federal,law enforcement at every level is corrupt and privileged with virtual titles of nobility.If you aren't cop you are little people.

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2019 05:17 PM (BXMxN)

41 #19 #metoo

Posted by: Loveulongtime at April 04, 2019 05:17 PM (fi7+4)

42 I love the sidebar item about how Trump's team told Mueller that privately they'd cooperate, but publicly they had to make noise about it for political reasons. So it's all Big Time Wrasslin', and Trump knows that game as well as anybody.

And all the chumps out there in the bleacher seats are saying "wut? we though alla this was for realz!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:17 PM (Kpl3J)

43 Between this and their cozy arrangement with Silicon Valley, the Constitution is a mere technicality to these worthless scumbags.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 04, 2019 05:14 PM (AM1GF)

Never forget ... plenty of these people in both parties. And voting blocs.

Recall how many Repubs expressed their full-throated support for the Patriot Act.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:17 PM (mvp+a)

44 32 Technical question here. Is Nunes pouncing or seizing?
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (JgA4k)

It's a triple pounce with a backwards reverse seize.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 04, 2019 05:18 PM (RD7QR)

45
The people charged with upholding our Constitution are the people making a joke out of our Constitutional Protections.

A LOT of these people belong up against the wall.
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:15 PM (Y5i3u)

ANOTHER reason we need the wall.

Posted by: Ignored Facts at April 04, 2019 05:18 PM (sy5kK)

46 Does Trump not get how razor thin he won the swing states in 2016. And 4 years of moar immigration of all kinds plus prison reform to allow more Dem votes. Where is he going to make up these votes to win in 2020? This is suicide ffs!

Posted by: literally serious at April 04, 2019 05:18 PM (zmPFY)

47 Let the name Michele flournoy become something to remember.

then go read about the center for new american security.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 04, 2019 05:18 PM (+mYkQ)

48 So do we have a concern troll?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 04, 2019 05:19 PM (O2RFr)

49 Until now the threat of releasing the details about the foreign intelligence agencies has been more useful to Trump than actually releasing it. That may still be the case, but after the Mueller exoneration it's likely being reassessed.
It's possible that the foreign services were acting in good faith, or a plausibly deniable appoximation, while fed fake justifications by their own local franchise of the cabal.

Posted by: GalosGann at April 04, 2019 05:19 PM (iBAhd)

50 Recall how many Repubs expressed their full-throated support for the Patriot Act.
Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:17 PM (mvp+a

The Patriot Act does not allows this. This is a Police state action work around of the Act.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:19 PM (V86aL)

51 I saw Uh It Was It Was Not open for Was (Not Was) at a private concert in Langley VA in '92.

Posted by: Hands at April 04, 2019 05:19 PM (786Ro)

52 42 I love the sidebar item about how Trump's team told Mueller that privately they'd cooperate, but publicly they had to make noise about it for political reasons. So it's all Big Time Wrasslin', and Trump knows that game as well as anybody.

And all the chumps out there in the bleacher seats are saying "wut? we though alla this was for realz!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:17 PM (Kpl3J)

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You'd think by now some of these NeverTrumpers would at least admit this non-politician is better at this than we thought he'd be. Alas, they are doubling and tripling down.. or in Goldberg's case.. copy/pasting down.

Posted by: Inogame at April 04, 2019 05:19 PM (ySZHT)

53 So, where are the Trump people RIGHT to petition for redress, from the FISA courts?

Oh yeah, the are not accountable to ANYONE it seems, and you can't sue them if they are wrong?

This is a blatant abuse of Civil Rights, using the FOREIGN Intelligence Act as cover.

Posted by: Don Q at April 04, 2019 05:19 PM (NgKpN)

54 And, of course, this is why the UK and AUS don't want this shit declassified. They've been running espionage AGAINST the US system, with the US political system helping.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 04, 2019 05:20 PM (oVJmc)

55 At that point, maybe...and I mean maybe...we can discuss me ever trusting the Federal Government. Ever. Again."

Perhaps a newsletter?

or a jib?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:20 PM (6qErC)

56 much too late to worry about a two tier justice system here in the US: it's been in place for some time now.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (rf8q9)

57

Foreign agents to the tiger pits. Accept no substitutes.

Bonesteel 2020!

Posted by: Octavian Bonesteel, Gentleman Adventurer at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (AzW6q)

58 Remember, kids, the administration with NO SCANDALS whatsoever - and NO CORRUPTION either, of course!

Posted by: Murrrican Ninja War Eeyore at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (xptlg)

59 I would love to see some "Investigative Journalism" work and a report on 60 Minutes on this very subject.

heh

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (d7Ww2)

60 Thankfully, Gorsuch recently got the court to reapprove the Death Penalty is available in some instances. This is one.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, a shot of covfefe please at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (LISuA)

61 The Patriot Act does not allows this. This is a Police state action work around of the Act.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:19 PM (V86aL)

Expand the Police State enough - and it assumes powers on its own.

Rules do not constrain Power. Power determines the Rules.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (mvp+a)

62 53 So, where are the Trump people RIGHT to petition for redress, from the FISA courts?

Oh yeah, the are not accountable to ANYONE it seems, and you can't sue them if they are wrong?

This is a blatant abuse of Civil Rights, using the FOREIGN Intelligence Act as cover.
Posted by: Don Q at April 04, 2019 05:19 PM (NgKpN)

Start asking the important questions of the day, like "Is Kim Kardashian's azz fat?"

Posted by: Ignored Facts at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (sy5kK)

63 Posted by: literally serious at April 04, 2019 05:18 PM (zmPFY)

Uh oh, the blackpiller trollbot is back.

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (JH+YW)

64 It is no mistake that the Clinton (and Obama) team always accuse others of doing what they are doing (in this case collusion). It is not psychological projection, but calculated, tactical hypocrisy meant to muddy the water and preemptively undermine the slowly impending revelations of their own misdeeds. They do this every time. It is so predictable that you can rightly presume every specific attack or accusation signals another misdeed of their own from which the accusation is meant to distract us and effectively cover-up over time.

Posted by: rocky feller at April 04, 2019 05:22 PM (tVQUs)

65 Is should be really easy for the FNM to spin the story of how Obama was a naive good guy who was infested by bad actors the Clintons suggested for his admin, kind of like "Jimmy Carter was just too nice to be a good politician" .

So to the PTB: stop worrying about "oh noes, can't make the first black preezy look bad" and get the truth out already. We the people have a right to know, and if you don't expose this shit, all the commie and jihadi infiltrators will keep on damaging the country.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at April 04, 2019 05:22 PM (eASYU)

66 We heard all along foreign security didn't want information out, many figured it was in collusion with the Swamp creatures.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2019 05:23 PM (BbGew)

67 54 And, of course, this is why the UK and AUS don't want this shit declassified. They've been running espionage AGAINST the US system, with the US political system helping.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 04, 2019 05:20 PM (oVJmc)

Yup, Steele still has dealings with MI6.

He is the only foreign Agent who, by his own writings and admissions, interfered in the US Election.

And was Paid by? Democrats, and our own FBI.

Posted by: Don Q at April 04, 2019 05:23 PM (NgKpN)

68 We had a Revolution for far less than this.

Are we now paper tigers?

A complete embarrassment to our founders.

Posted by: Ha at April 04, 2019 05:23 PM (MAstk)

69 62 53 So, where are the Trump people RIGHT to petition for redress, from the FISA courts?

Oh yeah, the are not accountable to ANYONE it seems, and you can't sue them if they are wrong?

This is a blatant abuse of Civil Rights, using the FOREIGN Intelligence Act as cover.
Posted by: Don Q at April 04, 2019 05:19 PM (NgKpN)

Start asking the important questions of the day, like "Is Kim Kardashian's azz fat?"
Posted by: Ignored Facts at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (sy5kK)

When it comes to her ass "fat" is so far back that it's just a speck in the rear view mirror.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 04, 2019 05:23 PM (RD7QR)

70 Share Their Unmasked Targets With Foreign Intelligence Services

Hey, buggerObama who did you kill who did you kill
Hey, buggerObama who did you kill who did you kill

Hey, buggerObama how many did you kill did you kill
Hey, buggerObama how many did you kill did you kill

You hate our people so bad why don't you go away
You hate our people so bad why don't you go away
Why don't you just go away

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (ePWRo)

71 I hope all of this info is building to a denouement - the Dems have absorbed the "no collusion" shock and are starting to attack again. The time is ripe for Trump and his people to launch a strong counter attack, now. If they waste too much time they could lose the moment.

Declassify the FISA warrants!

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (Kpl3J)

72 46 Does Trump not get how razor thin he won the swing states in 2016. And 4 years of moar immigration of all kinds plus prison reform to allow more Dem votes. Where is he going to make up these votes to win in 2020? This is suicide ffs!
Posted by: literally serious at April 04, 2019 05:18 PM (zmPFY)

from the Hispanic voters, that will go from 20% to 50%.

from the black supporters, will go from 8% to 20%.

from the demoralized Leftists that will not show up for the election.

Posted by: Ignored Facts at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (sy5kK)

73 Expand the Police State enough - and it assumes powers on its own.

Rules do not constrain Power. Power determines the Rules.
Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (mvp+a)

I agree. And I was not defending the Patriot Act but pointing out that abuse of power has run amok without the assistance of the Act.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (V86aL)

74 Foreign allies strongly opposed President Donald Trump declassifying information illuminating the investigation into Russian collusion.

The only questions are when it should leak and to who.

Im thinking right after or during the Dim Convention to beat down their bump; or after the next big summit. Trump can tell the bitches to there faces to get ready.

To who, hmmm. WikiLeaks would be epic trolling. There are a few reporters who have earned it, very few. To the NYTimes just to watch them squirm - knowing that by not running with it - someone else will.

Posted by: Jean at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (25Dt7)

75 We heard all along foreign security didn't want information out,"

Why this is a surprise to many befuddles me. Of course other state actors don't want such info out there - it compromises their own actions.

Then I recall that our betters are kollege gradiduates. Many with degrees in PoliSci and Journa...er, coding.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (6qErC)

76 With the heat of a thousand suns.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (ePWRo)

77 It's a triple pounce with a backwards reverse seize.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 04, 2019 05:18 PM (RD7QR)

Triple Lindy?

Posted by: Lemon2024! at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (zCyNd)

78 TRUMP
TRUMP
TRUMP

DECLASSIFY
DECLASSIFY
DECLASSIFY

Posted by: Hands at April 04, 2019 05:25 PM (786Ro)

79 Posted by: literally serious at April 04, 2019 05:18 PM (zmPFY)

Uh oh, the blackpiller trollbot is back.
Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:21 PM (JH+YW)

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Nah, that was lurking lurker, who finally got the banhammer for blowing the margins. Very similar in style and content though.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 04, 2019 05:25 PM (ffYR/)

80 Rosemary Collyer. Rudolph Contreras. Who investigates them?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, a shot of covfefe please at April 04, 2019 05:25 PM (LISuA)

81 Lock him up or
String him up.

Posted by: EL DOPO at April 04, 2019 05:25 PM (BuB4M)

82 Nah, that was lurking lurker, who finally got the banhammer for blowing the margins. Very similar in style and content though.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 04, 2019 05:25 PM (ffYR/)

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Oh, did LL get banned?

Must've missed that.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 04, 2019 05:26 PM (AzW6q)

83 "who finally got the banhammer for blowing the margins"

That's a funny reason to get banned. Ooops!

Posted by: Chris M at April 04, 2019 05:26 PM (eAZVt)

84 Just wow.

This is a straight up violation of civil rights as well as blatant treason and sedition.

They all need a swift trial and if found guilty, they all need to face the firing squad, or however it's done these days.

Bu-u-u-ut, nothing will happen cuz it's mean to administer just punishment to Democrats.

And the Reps simply don't have the balls or spine to do their Constitutional duty.

Sad.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 04, 2019 05:26 PM (9X624)

85 Serious question.

Why are these countries our allies? Why do we protect them from Russia?

I'm no fan of Russia but these guys are hardly better, when it comes to free speech as well.

Posted by: Someguy at April 04, 2019 05:26 PM (S00Id)

86 from the Hispanic voters, that will go from 20% to 50%."

The "tell" is that suddenly President Trump isn't "doing enough" to do whatever he's supposed to do vis a vis the US/Mexico border.

The left's 180 on this is hilarious.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:26 PM (6qErC)

87 Im thinking right after or during the Dim Convention to beat down their bump; or after the next big summit.

With the Brexit mess, the Brits are ready to be squeezed.

Posted by: Miklos, squeezed like Limeys at April 04, 2019 05:26 PM (zCyNd)

88 Declassify the FISA warrants!

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (Kpl3J)

Best time would be when Buttgieg looks to be getting traction. And he might, the Dems badly need a savior and a Macron-style cipher may be it.

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:27 PM (JH+YW)

89 Ain't no one gonna do shit.

Posted by: Agent #1 at April 04, 2019 05:27 PM (786Ro)

90 Oh, did LL get banned?

Must've missed that.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 04, 2019 05:26 PM (AzW6q)

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Yep, by CBD.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 04, 2019 05:27 PM (ffYR/)

91 71 I hope all of this info is building to a denouement - the Dems have absorbed the "no collusion" shock and are starting to attack again. The time is ripe for Trump and his people to launch a strong counter attack, now. If they waste too much time they could lose the moment.

Declassify the FISA warrants!
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (Kpl3J)

Gotta wait until the official Mueller report is "released", as not to "interfere" with the investigation.

"TwoWeeks"

Yeah, "way too many" quotes.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 04, 2019 05:28 PM (sy5kK)

92 I hope LL makes it back soon.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:28 PM (Kpl3J)

93 Yep, by CBD.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 04, 2019 05:27 PM (ffYR/)

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Oh well. He was a concern troll, for sure, but that's too bad, I guess.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 04, 2019 05:28 PM (AzW6q)

94 Cucksrrvatives are anti-white bigots. Fuck off with that is " racist" to notice canaries in the coal mine when it's a fact that white men and also white women (to a lessor extent) have some disturbing stats from high suicide rates, open discrimination, 70k opioid deaths a year mostly affecting whites, and literal calls for genocide to replacement. But it's racist to point out this it's objectively unhealthy for America for this to occur like it would be for any American group to be targeted this way.

SMFH

Posted by: literally serious at April 04, 2019 05:28 PM (zmPFY)

95 Why are these countries our allies?"

Haven't you heard their accents? It's to die for! Sounds so... smaht.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:29 PM (6qErC)

96 "if they tell foreign intelligence services to do the spying and slip
the results back to the US intelligence community, they get their spying
done by proxy"

and as I understand it, the five eyes have access to ALL the NSA data collection, for the world. And even contractors for the five eyes had full access, to everything. So any bad actor had years to collect kompromat on ANY political enemy ...

So of course they ARE DeepState, and acted together against Trump (against America as a free people). That was rammed through after 9/11. (and they suspended Judge Nap' when he said that was going on, per his sources).

Obama at the last moment in office, also opened up access to almost everyone, encouraged them to spread all the intel (kompromat) wide and far, under the claim Trump would hide the real global warming data, or some such coverup.

hang em high, or prepare for domestic war ... or both.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2019 05:29 PM (Cus5s)

97 "Finally, Devon Nunes says he might refer up to two dozen people for possible criminal charges, largely owing to lying to Congress and investigators"

The operative word here is "might". Yes, he might do this. He might not. With GOP "might" usually transitions to "probably not" in a couple days after the "Conservative Case for Thumb Twiddling" comes out in NR. Then "probably not" becomes "we've moved on to other things" in a month or so and then never heard of again.

Yes, republicans might do something. And I also might sprout wings out of my butthole. Embrace the power of "might".

Posted by: I Have Questions at April 04, 2019 05:29 PM (BvNzB)

98
I remember reading a piece a while back, over a year ago, maybe late 2017, that it was Brennan who ran this whole op out of CIA HQ. It may have been something by judicial watch, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, Brennan got this idea of Russian collusion in his head -- there was some false report about this, and he seized on that as the way to get Trump.

You've got to appreciate just how much Trump scared the Deep State and Establishment. He not going to be beholden to them for funding, which is how they control basically everybody.

And worse, he was making anti-"free trade" noises, anti-war monger noises, etc, etc. This scared the ever-lovin' dogshit out of these guys.

I fully believe they were thinking Hillary was going to win, and then they would use all this to prosecute Trump and throw him in jail as a warning to any others not to try to do what Trump was doing.

Once he won, they panicked even more.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 04, 2019 05:29 PM (f1Vqw)

99 I agree. And I was not defending the Patriot Act but pointing out that abuse of power has run amok without the assistance of the Act.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:24 PM (V86aL)

The very existence of the act led to this, regardless of wording. It set the tone and agenda for our alphabet agencies to treat the Citizenry as Public Enemy Number One.

This was always going to be the endgame of granting such powers. There is no other choice now but to destroy these agencies. They can not be reformed.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:29 PM (mvp+a)

100 Oh, did LL get banned?

Lil' Lupe got banned? Manhattan bartenders should start a GoFundMe for her.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 04, 2019 05:29 PM (sy5kK)

101 I hope LL makes it back soon.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:28 PM (Kpl3J)

When did LL Bean ever go away?

From the Onion-"African-Americans continue 82 year boycott of LL Bean"

Posted by: Miklos, not a recent purchaser at April 04, 2019 05:30 PM (zCyNd)

102 By The Book!
became Buy My Book!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2019 05:30 PM (r+sAi)

103 With the Brexit mess, the Brits are ready to be squeezed.

I feel the shame. I actually thought Brexit was going to happen. There's a hard deadline, there are three failed votes on the deal, whoopee!

But no, a weasely vote against hard Brexit so now they have to take the cuck deal that leaves them effectively in the EU without having a say or another referendum for a do-over.

Note to self: never get your hopes up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 04, 2019 05:30 PM (fuK7c)

104 Just remember: We do not have Republican judges, or Democrat judges. We have Uniparty judges. Especially on the FISA Court.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Tax Roberts at April 04, 2019 05:30 PM (LISuA)

105 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent
that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of
men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the
basest of men.

Posted by: Lord Comey at April 04, 2019 05:30 PM (LuPts)

106 I thought lurkers never got banned.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at April 04, 2019 05:30 PM (JgA4k)

107 @ZoeTillman

McConnell isn't wasting time: Less than 24 hours after changing the rules for how long it takes to get to a final vote on US district court and executive branch nominees, he's filed fo cloture on six such nominees.

Posted by: Ha at April 04, 2019 05:31 PM (MAstk)

108 The Merkel/Obama meeting in Berlin tomorrow is especially interesting in light of this.

Posted by: Lily von Shtupp, back after a long (ahem) hiatus at April 04, 2019 05:31 PM (U/+l+)

109 Scott Adams today was wondering do the Democrats really want all the information in Mueller's report out there, there might be things they want to keep hidden.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2019 05:31 PM (BbGew)

110 The day BEFORE the Mueller report is released, Trump should declassify all of the FISA warrants and release them to the public. Those fucktards Nadler and Schiff want transparency?

Well, here's your eff'n transparency boys!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 04, 2019 05:31 PM (so+oy)

111 you fucked up MI6. you trusted Obama.

Posted by: x at April 04, 2019 05:32 PM (nFwvY)

112 Oh, did LL get banned?

another case of illegal cut-and-paste?

Pixy is a beyotch.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 04, 2019 05:34 PM (sy5kK)

113 I thought lurkers never got banned.

Tain't lurkers if they post!

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 04, 2019 05:34 PM (7s3Gx)

114 The deep state went with Russian collusion because that was much easier to sell than what scared them the most about PDT. That would be his declared stance on the Iran Deal.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 04, 2019 05:34 PM (+mYkQ)

115 Trying to investigate someone, maybe a high profile businessman you suspect of being in bed with a foreign government is different than say, spying on political opponents.

At least it should be different.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 04, 2019 05:34 PM (ycWCI)

116 The LL Mobile:

https://bit.ly/2OMedj0

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 04, 2019 05:34 PM (fuK7c)

117 "The American people need to have confidence in the FBI and the Department of Justice.

lol

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 04, 2019 05:35 PM (DTX3h)

118 This use of US intelligence assets to attack the opposition party for political gain is orders of magnitude greater than what Nixon was accused of doing.

And, as we have heard repeated endlessly over the last couple of years, collusion with a foreign country to interfere with an election or results is a form of treason, those who took part need to be tried for everything from treason down to false statements. BUT first hit them with an open shut case of false statements, just one, so they sit in the greybar while facing a possible life sentence.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2019 05:35 PM (1g7ch)

119

I will replace the Capitol Police with my loyal gurkhas, and drain the swamp!

Bonesteel 2020!

Posted by: Octavian Bonesteel, Gentleman Adventurer at April 04, 2019 05:36 PM (AzW6q)

120 they need the FISC approval to do the "parallel construction" of what they acquire (illegally) by NSA, which has EveryThing. OR, they use NSA details, to better FRAME Trump or others. (William Binney and others that developed these programs, and quit, covers a lot of this. Much of it is a huge revenue stream, for one thing, billions for all the players)

But in setting up Trump, like by running Russians into his office, then wiretapping Trump meeting with (their) Russians ... they screwed up a few times. Like the guy that never went to Hungary (or whatever country, they had the wrong guy) as his passport proved.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2019 05:36 PM (Cus5s)

121 Scott Adams today was wondering do the Democrats really want all the information in Mueller's report out there"

I'm old enough to remember when the Mule-er report was supposed to be "secret" to "protect it's integrity" and "keep information away from Trumpf"

So yeah, I'm laughing. Again.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:36 PM (6qErC)

122 At least it should be different.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 04, 2019 05:34 PM (ycWCI)

To a hammer, the whole world is a nail.

Asking an investigator to show good judgement on when and when not to investigate is simply asking too much.

These FISA powers are simply too much. They have no place in a free society.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (mvp+a)

123 Declassify the whole ball of wax. All of it. I don't give a fuck who it hurts. The Aussies and Brits can get over it.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (0OmEj)

124 94 Cucksrrvatives are anti-white bigots. Fuck off with that is " racist" to notice canaries in the coal mine when it's a fact that white men and also white women (to a lessor extent) have some disturbing stats from high suicide rates, open discrimination, 70k opioid deaths a year mostly affecting whites, and literal calls for genocide to replacement. But it's racist to point out this it's objectively unhealthy for America for this to occur like it would be for any American group to be targeted this way.

SMFH
Posted by: literally serious at April 04, 2019 05:28 PM (zmPFY)

Look, we get it. Trump is not perfect and ideal. But too much doom and gloom does not inspire, and it's The Donald or the Demunist Commiecrats.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (ujg0T)

125 From the Jonah Goldberg thread.

***************

124 [...]

I mean isn't the giant drop in their ratings (and credibility) a giant, fucking clue they've fucked this unicorn to death and now they're just a bunch of bilge peddling necrophiliacs?

***************

Beating a dead unicorn. I like it.

Posted by: Wit's End at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (ROYpB)

126 was wondering about how this would work

Mr. Bezos also will retain voting rights over any additional shares Ms. Bezos receives through a stock split or dividend. If Ms. Bezos transfers her shares, other than selling them in the open market, she is required to have the recipient enter into a voting agreement under the same terms with Mr. Bezos.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (MTjB1)

127 Beating a dead unicorn."

Superglue?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:38 PM (6qErC)

128 123 Declassify the whole ball of wax. All of it. I don't give a fuck who it hurts. The Aussies and Brits can get over it.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (0OmEj)

Government corruption needs to be sunlighted.

Is that a verb? It is now.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 04, 2019 05:38 PM (sy5kK)

129 How many democrats are running for pres now? Are we at 2 dozen? What is the record?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 04, 2019 05:39 PM (7//KB)

130 This 'you spy on our citizens and we'll spy on yours and we can all share the data' goes much further.

See Five Eyes

USA, UK, Can, AUS and NZ.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2019 05:39 PM (hdwhl)

131 Was this really the sort of situation where you resort to the anti-constitutional back door to get your spy on?

____

"It's the greatest power high you can experience next to straight-up voter fraud!" Unindicted, traitorous coup-conspirators everywhere

Posted by: ShainS -- Climate Justice Warrior at April 04, 2019 05:40 PM (YjzW1)

132 If I wrote what I hope happens to these bastards here....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2019 05:14 PM (zBaqJ)

Speaking of which, did anybody catch Mr. Smooth at work in "Happy" yesterday?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2019 05:40 PM (1g7ch)

133 the threat of fisa gone wrong is greater than whatever foreign intelligence agencies will learn from dsiclosing the information about the trump fisa warrants.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:40 PM (MTjB1)

134 If we have no Constitutional protections from our Government, then the 16th Amendment is null and void.

Spread the word.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 04, 2019 05:40 PM (u82oZ)

135 Like the guy that never went to Hungary (or whatever country, they had the wrong guy) as his passport proved."

It was Michael Cohen, they claimed he went to Prague to deliver "secret collusion material" to Russia. The problem was that Michael Cohen's passport clearly showed he had never visited the Czheck Republic in his life. Best guess is that whoever wrote the Dossier found a reference to a "Michael Cohen" on a flight list somewhere and included it, without realizing that in some places, like NYC, that is an extremely common name.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:40 PM (Kpl3J)

136 I'm starting to think that maybe--just maybe--the truth will come out eventually.

USA Today printed an editorial a couple of days ago that called for transparency and specifically called for investigation of the Obama administration. If the lefty media worm turns on this thing, it's all over for the Dem criminals.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at April 04, 2019 05:41 PM (hjaPQ)

137 129 How many democrats are running for pres now? Are we at 2 dozen? What is the record?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 04, 2019 05:39 PM (7//KB)

Thereabouts. I think it's mostly a moneymaking scheme for all but the top 4 or 5 but it is comic in a dark sort of way. Maybe we can arrange for a melee to cull out the weak ones, followed by duels to settle things between the survivors.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 04, 2019 05:41 PM (RD7QR)

138 The Aussies and Brits can get over it.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (0OmEj)

The Russians in front of us pose less danger than the Aussies and Brits behind us.

I kid not. Both will work to undermine our Sovereignty - on behalf of their Globalist agenda.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:41 PM (mvp+a)

139 127 Beating a dead unicorn."

Superglue?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:38 PM (6qErC)

Glitter glue.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 04, 2019 05:41 PM (ycWCI)

140 you would think bezos would have some sort of right of first refusal to buy here shares.

guess he does not have a controlling stake so maybe not.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:41 PM (MTjB1)

141 These FISA powers are simply too much. They have no place in a free society.
Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (mvp+a)

Thanks, W.

Oh, wait.

Posted by: golfman at April 04, 2019 05:41 PM (OE84+)

142
Mr. Bezos also will retain voting rights over any additional shares Ms. Bezos receives through a stock split or dividend. If Ms. Bezos transfers her shares, other than selling them in the open market, she is required to have the recipient enter into a voting agreement under the same terms with Mr. Bezos.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (MTjB1)

so her attorneys just rolled over and died.

stunning.

WA is a community property state. She helped create the business plan and was active in Amazon's founding and initial operations.

If any settlement ever screamed "50/50", it was this one.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 04, 2019 05:41 PM (sy5kK)

143 But if they tell foreign intelligence services to do the spying and slip the results back to the US intelligence community, they get their spying done by proxy, avoiding a judge's scrutiny and any intersection with the US Constitution at all.

The US government has a duty to stop foreign intelligence services from spying on American citizens in AMerica. I don't see any way around this.

Everyone who tried to get a bunch of fuzzy foreigners to spy on Americans in this land should be strung up. Then, after they're dead we can give them a swift trial ... the fvckers.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 04, 2019 05:42 PM (N3Mch)

144 the Clinton (and Obama) team always accuse others of doing what they are doing (in this case collusion)
Let's not forget trying to set up Trump, Jr. to deflect for what Hunter Biden was doing in Ukraine.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2019 05:42 PM (r+sAi)

145 Here's my theory about why all the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't defeat Trump: "The 80's called and they want their foreign policy back." Teh One neutered Russia as a boogie man.

Posted by: Dangerously Cheezy at April 04, 2019 05:42 PM (Ai1hj)

146 Maybe we can arrange for a melee to cull out the weak ones"

THUNDERDOME!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:42 PM (6qErC)

147 We have a lot of unused lamp posts in this country. It's a shame .

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 04, 2019 05:42 PM (M+Lyo)

148 *Door of Brennan's cell swings open*
BRING OUT THE GIMP!

Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 04, 2019 05:43 PM (koNhm)

149 the threat of fisa gone wrong is greater than whatever foreign intelligence agencies will learn from dsiclosing the information about the trump fisa warrants.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:40 PM (MTjB1)

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That's the stated objection.

The real objection is to the humiliation of the American IC criminals and their 5 Eyes co-conspirators.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 04, 2019 05:43 PM (AzW6q)

150 Beating a dead unicorn. I like it.
Posted by: Wit's End

Just in time for National Piñata Day, April 18th.

Posted by: Manos at April 04, 2019 05:43 PM (786Ro)

151 128 Government corruption needs to be sunlighted.

Is that a verb? It is now.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 04, 2019 05:38 PM (sy5kK)

"Sunlit"?

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 04, 2019 05:43 PM (DTX3h)

152 Overton Window. Done shifted.

Posted by: Eromero at April 04, 2019 05:43 PM (qBNEP)

153 Best guess is that whoever wrote the Dossier found a reference to a "Michael Cohen" on a flight list somewhere and included it, without realizing that in some places, like NYC, that is an extremely common name.

I thought they claimed his phone pinged a cell tower in Prague.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 04, 2019 05:43 PM (fuK7c)

154 Speaking of which, did anybody catch Mr. Smooth at work in "Happy" yesterday?

Yeaahhhh... that was pleasant. >8^P

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 04, 2019 05:43 PM (7s3Gx)

155 OT: Awww, the Cult of #ORANGEMANBAD are protesting in front of the White House . Apparently releasing the entire Mueller Report will certainly, for reelz this time,
take down Trump.

Bless their hearts.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 04, 2019 05:44 PM (aeiKy)

156 And this is why most journalists and people from the MSM should be first in line for the noose.

This is a story of constitutional subversion, abuse of power and treason performed at the highest levels of our government. Where is the media? Collecting Pulitzer's for writing political storylines on the Russian Collusion fraud that was paid for by their bosses on the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 04, 2019 05:44 PM (ZFEdM)

157 Look, we get it. Trump is not perfect and ideal. But too much doom and gloom does not inspire, and it's The Donald or the Demunist Commiecrats.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (ujg0T)

It's done deliberately, to limit appropriate feelings to "Trump loves illegal immigration so I don't support him" (see: Ann Coulter) and "TRUMP IS THE NAZI DEVIL HITLER" (which is a curious kind of Holocaust denial, but hey). No space for being proud of this President or discussing his accomplishments in revealing his enemies.

The appropriate response to blackpilling William Joyces is to shoot them FIRST.

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:44 PM (JH+YW)

158 134 If we have no Constitutional protections from our Government, then the 16th Amendment is null and void.

Spread the word.

If we have no Constitutional protections from our Government, then the Constitution is null and void.

Spread the word.

Posted by: Colt, Glock, Smith and Wesson, Remington, Armalite, etc, etc. at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (sy5kK)

159 To a hammer, the whole world is a nail.

Asking an investigator to show good judgement on when and when not to investigate is simply asking too much.

These FISA powers are simply too much. They have no place in a free society.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:37 PM

I agree. I was one who originally believed it could be kept under control, that it was "necessary" to keep the country safe from terrorists - but I was wrong. Almost instantly, the focus shifted from finding "terrorists" to oppressing political opponents of the party in power.

I renounce and denounce any and all of my former support for the FISA abominations.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (Kpl3J)

160 The FISA judge must have been in on the coup.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (V86aL)

161 I'll file this under "Things Jonah Goldberg Will Never Tweet."

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (TN1P5)

162 Did Brennan Lie to Congress?
........

He claimed he was not a Moai?

Posted by: wth at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (v0R5T)

163 132 If I wrote what I hope happens to these bastards here....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2019 05:14 PM (zBaqJ)

They know you speak for the majority of America
That's why they are so desperate to button this thing up.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (ePWRo)

164 At that point, maybe...and I mean maybe...we can discuss me ever trusting the Federal Government. Ever. Again.

There is never a time you should trust your Government.

Even the Founding Fathers knew this.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (lD3vL)

165 >>WA is a community property state. She helped create the business plan and was active in Amazon's founding and initial operations.

Only if they had joint accounts. If they maintained individual accounts and each managed their own finances, then this would be a possible fair settlement.

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (Y5i3u)

166 You still think Trumps relative cold shoulder to the British is just happenstance?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 04, 2019 05:46 PM (ZFEdM)

167 hat's the stated objection.

The real objection is to the humiliation of the American IC criminals and their 5 Eyes co-conspirators.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at A

which is really interesting. you would have to wonder if brennan stepped through the looking glass and did this with the intention of having it discovered then having the entire intelligence apparatus dismantled.

not that he is that smart, but once you are through the looking glass.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:46 PM (MTjB1)

168 *Door of Brennan's cell swings open*
BRING OUT THE GIMP!
Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 04, 2019 05:43 PM (koNhm)

That fucking creep makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. What an evil sonofabitch.

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 04, 2019 05:46 PM (M+Lyo)

169 She helped create the business plan and was active in Amazon's founding and initial operations.

Only if they had joint accounts. If they maintained individual accounts and each managed their own finances, then this would be a possible fair settlement.
Posted by: garrett at A

she didn't help with anything in any meaningful way.

how was it she was so key to everything but no one knew so until they got divorced?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:47 PM (MTjB1)

170 The FISA judge must have been in on the coup.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (V86aL)

--------

Rudolph Contreras (who was compelled to recuse himself from the Flynn case) is a FISA judge, and also a personal friend of Peterstroke and Andy McCabe.

I've got my money on him being the one who inked the dirty warrants.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 04, 2019 05:47 PM (AzW6q)

171 166 You still think Trumps relative cold shoulder to the British is just happenstance?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 04, 2019 05:46 PM (ZFEdM)

Wouldn't be surprised if he's saving the revelation until after Theresa May tries to terminate the Brexit process.

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:47 PM (JH+YW)

172 I need to see hangings.

Posted by: nip at April 04, 2019 05:47 PM (DfGpI)

173 160 The FISA judge must have been in on the coup.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (V86aL)

Wasn't he hanging out with one or two of the conspirators? Maybe Strzok or McCabe.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 04, 2019 05:47 PM (RD7QR)

174 I thought they claimed his phone pinged a cell tower in Prague.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 04, 2019 05:43 PM (fuK7c)

I think "anonymous sources" made that claim. And then when it came time to "reveal" the evidence, it was "oh that's too secret, means and methods, harrumph, harrumph, we can't let anyone see any actual "evidence" of that."

in other words a Brennan special.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:47 PM (Kpl3J)

175 There is never a time you should trust your Government.

Even the Founding Fathers knew this.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (lD3vL)

^This^

Posted by: DR.WTF at April 04, 2019 05:48 PM (aS1PU)

176 I renounce and denounce any and all of my former support for the FISA abominations.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (Kpl3J)

No it served its purpose at the time and did allow the intelligence services to prevent additional attacks. As with all government programs , it has been corrupted by bad actors.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:48 PM (V86aL)

177 how did someone who voted communist get any job in the government?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:48 PM (MTjB1)

178 What Braenyard said @ 163, JJ. Sho nuf.

Posted by: Eromero at April 04, 2019 05:48 PM (qBNEP)

179 >>how was it she was so key to everything but no one knew so until they got divorced?

Even if she did, but they had their finances separate for any reason, then there are all sorts of ways for her to end up with only 25% of his holdings.

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:48 PM (Y5i3u)

180 "135
Like the guy that never went to Hungary (or whatever country, they had the wrong guy) as his passport proved."

It was Michael Cohen, they claimed he went to Prague to deliver
"secret collusion material" to Russia. The problem was that Michael
Cohen's passport clearly showed he had never visited the Czheck Republic
in his life. Best guess is that whoever wrote the Dossier found a
reference to a "Michael Cohen" on a flight list somewhere and included
it, without realizing that in some places, like NYC, that is an
extremely common name.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:40 PM (Kpl3J)"
...
This is a result of letting third-party non-.gov groups have access to various databases. They were just political operatives punching in stuff and running with whatever random crap they found.
I've physically escorted people off to arrest for security violations, so this whole clusterfuck enrages me.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 04, 2019 05:49 PM (eAshZ)

181 #TwoWeeks

Posted by: Max Power at April 04, 2019 05:49 PM (q177U)

182 the Cult of #ORANGEMANBAD are protesting in front of the White House"

Time to laugh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 04, 2019 05:49 PM (6qErC)

183 "The American people need to have confidence in the FBI and the Department of Justice.

lol

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 04, 2019 05:35 PM (DTX3h)
..........

Nunes cracks the funneh.

Posted by: wth at April 04, 2019 05:49 PM (v0R5T)

184 Even if she did, but they had their finances separate for any reason, then there are all sorts of ways for her to end up with only 25% of his holdings.
Posted by: garrett at A

right

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:49 PM (MTjB1)

185 We need a national decorate your lamp post day.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 04, 2019 05:49 PM (0OmEj)

186 Seriously, legally, what are the required standards for renewal of a FISA warrant? I've never seen anyone focus on this but I would think you'd need to show something more than "we haven't gotten what we're looking for yet."

Do you need to show some progress, additional evidence, or that there's a reason why the first warrant didn't get you what you thought you were looking for?

This begs the question of additional fraud in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th warrants (or a totally in-the-tank Court) or both.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 04, 2019 05:49 PM (koNhm)

187 I know you all remember who was SoS when all this was happening.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 04, 2019 05:49 PM (+mYkQ)

188 It's done deliberately, to limit appropriate feelings to "Trump loves illegal immigration so I don't support him" (see: Ann Coulter)

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:44 PM (JH+YW)

Meh. I am willing to give this guy (and Ann Coulter) the benefit of the doubt and assume they are the (metaphoric) "Set your head on fire and run around" crowd. Or the Chicken Littles who see the sky falling.

But hey, to use the wartime British analogy you started, we must just "Keep Calm And Carry On".

But we WILL need the modern day Albert Pierrepoint (hangman of William Joyce) to do away with the traitors, no doubt.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 04, 2019 05:50 PM (ujg0T)

189 Hmmm, this chili turned watery on reheating.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 04, 2019 05:50 PM (ycWCI)

190 166 Well that and the fact that they are openly contemptuous of him....

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2019 05:50 PM (BXMxN)

191 I was one who originally believed it could be kept under control, that it was "necessary" to keep the country safe from terrorists - but I was wrong.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (Kpl3J)

It leads to a conclusion much too uncomfortable for some. You simply can't build strong institutions to keep the Citizenry safe, and constrain those institutions with rules. No matter how many rules are put in place - those institutions will always turn on the Citizenry eventually.

Freedom requires risk, a certain degree of chaos, and will never be secured using a "top-down" methodology. Freedom must be secured at the grass-roots level.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:50 PM (mvp+a)

192 >>Hmmm, this chili turned watery on reheating.

Carrots will thicken it right up!

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:51 PM (Y5i3u)

193 Nunes said, "There are people who definitely lied and misled Congress, OK? If they don't go to prison, we are going to have a two-tier Justice Department, justice system in this country and it is not going to be good for the American people."

________________

I suspect Nunes is well aware of what happens when a population decides it has had enough of unequal justice.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 04, 2019 05:51 PM (qC1Sy)

194 But in setting up Trump, like by running Russians into his office, then wiretapping Trump meeting with (their) Russians ... they screwed up a few times. Like the guy that never went to Hungary (or whatever country, they had the wrong guy) as his passport proved.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2019 05:36 PM (Cus5s)

That was Cohen. As much as he was supposed to roll over Trump, he always denied the trip. (and the other Cohen who made the trip was probably interviewed...)

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2019 05:51 PM (1g7ch)

195 No worries, it's our job to watch government closely!

Posted by: MSM at April 04, 2019 05:51 PM (MAstk)

196 the biggest disappointment with the whole bezos thing is that the richest man in the world gave $35.6 billion for some neverwaslocalnewslatinahoocie, destroying two families.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:52 PM (MTjB1)

197 how did someone who voted communist get any job in the government?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:48 PM (MTjB1)

---------

The fact that that occurred tells you all you need to know about where our IC's loyalties lay, and it ain't with America.

It's kinda like how Spenser Rapone's professors at West Point were demanding he be censured for his outspoken Communism and insubordination, but orders came from above to ignore it.

Above a certain level of government, the bosses are working to get our enemies into our national security apparatus and keep them there. It's been that way for a long time now.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 04, 2019 05:52 PM (AzW6q)

198 185 We need a national decorate your lamp post day.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 04, 2019 05:49 PM (0OmEj)

--------------

Give us a call.

Posted by: Halmark - when you want to send just the right message at April 04, 2019 05:52 PM (qC1Sy)

199 I have been saying all along there was nothing to the Mueller investigation. And that there was dirty business in the US Intelligence community. But I have been attacked from all sides for my courageous position, for standing alone against those of bad character.

And an Egg McGuffin is a sandwich.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 04, 2019 05:52 PM (VaN/j)

200 the biggest disappointment with the whole bezos thing is that the richest man in the world gave $35.6 billion for some neverwaslocalnewslatinahoocie, destroying two families.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:52 PM (MTjB1)

That and his bad taste in women.

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (M+Lyo)

201 The fact that that occurred tells you all you need to know about where our IC's loyalties lay, and it ain't with America.

It's kinda like how Spenser Rapone's professors at West Point were demanding he be censured for his outspoken Communism and insubordination, but orders came from above to ignore it.

Above a certain level of government, the bosses are working to get our enemies into our national security apparatus and keep them there. It's been that way for a long time now.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at A

indeed

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (MTjB1)

202 >> the biggest disappointment with the whole bezos thing is that the richest man in the world gave $35.6 billion for some neverwaslocalnewslatinahoocie, destroying two families.

That is enough to buy all of the pussy in Sweden.

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (Y5i3u)

203 The horse has galloped far from the barn but there also needs to be a severe Legislative fix to this back-door/5 eyes sh*t.

I know, it's called the Fourth Amendment: but we need something more wordy and specific in the US Code because apparently our apparatchiks did't get the memo.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (koNhm)

204 Out, damned sock.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (VaN/j)

205 Biggest scandal in American politics since the Civil War, and that wasn't a scandal.

A lot of people need to be in a lot of jails. And they need to be put there before they - and the nation - all die.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (6eEQ+)

206
I agree. I was one who originally believed it could be kept under control, that it was "necessary" to keep the country safe from terrorists - but I was wrong. Almost instantly, the focus shifted from finding "terrorists" to oppressing political opponents of the party in power.

If we were to stratify threats to our liberty, treasury and way of life, "terrorism" ranks fairly low and quite frankly is easily manageable once we clear out the obstructionists who prevent sane people from doing what is necessary to eliminate terrorist threats.

The clear and present danger is our out-of-control anti-American government that is filled and overflowing with the the most depraved, corrupt and wicked among us.

i can stop the criminal at the door, I can do something about the shoe bomber, but I can't do anything about an entity that annually steals half my income, charges me five figures of "rent" to live on the land I own, and tells me how much my toilets can flush, what milk I can drink, what energy I can use, what things I can say, forces me to accommodate people who want me dead, and works night and day to eliminate every single God Given Right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (lD3vL)

207 I hope the next blow job Obama receives is from a bear trap.

Posted by: kathysaysso at April 04, 2019 05:54 PM (vkS2Z)

208 "You'd think by now some of these NeverTrumpers would at least admit this
non-politician is better at this than we thought he'd be. Alas, they
are doubling and tripling down.. or in Goldberg's case.. copy/pasting
down."

or they are just mercenary reporters caught up in their own egomania ... money from Qatar to destroy America, no problem.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2019 05:54 PM (Cus5s)

209 "Monica Crowley argues in favor of a theory many of us believe -- that the intelligence community, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Rice, etc. have been attacking Trump as viciously as possible because they know that they themselves might be facing actual criminal proceedings, "

Yeah, right, in a government without a single person willing to do their actual job and enforce the law ?

Uh - huh.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 04, 2019 05:54 PM (wA4OO)

210 "173
160 The FISA judge must have been in on the coup.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 04, 2019 05:45 PM (V86aL)

Wasn't he hanging out with one or two of the conspirators? Maybe Strzok or McCabe.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 04, 2019 05:47 PM (RD7QR)"
....
Yes, they're friends with one of the judges, and being the sooper-smart counterintel experts they are, they discussed arranging low-key coup related meetings with him on their work phones.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 04, 2019 05:54 PM (eAshZ)

211 I hope the next blow job Obama receives is from a bear trap.
Posted by: kathysaysso at April 04, 2019 05:54 PM (vkS2Z)

have you seen the maw on his wife ?

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 04, 2019 05:54 PM (M+Lyo)

212 "The American people need to have confidence in the FBI and the Department of Justice. We are working on the referrals," Nunes said.

----------------

Psst: Devin, that ship has sailed.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (qC1Sy)

213 Hi Theresa, Don here. Say, I know you have your hands full screwing your people with that Brexit sham of yours, but I wanted to give you a heads up. I'm declassifying everything. Yes, I know how it makes you look. No, I won't reconsider. What do you mean by "anything" Terri? Have you seen my wife? Why would I even consider letting you do that? No, my answer is final. Have a nice day!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (gC2IV)

214 160 I figured that with the bull shit given to the FISA judges that they signed off those requests they are as much part of the conspiracy as any other Swamp creatures.

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (BbGew)

215 Trump got way higher caliber poon with a fraction of Bezos money

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (BXMxN)

216 I know, it's called the Fourth Amendment: but we need something more wordy and specific in the US Code because apparently our apparatchiks did't get the memo.

No matter how it is worded, it makes no difference when the same people who are charged with protecting your Rights are in the forefront in purposely violating them.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (lD3vL)

217 Jonah needs to trade in his dog card. CPS (Canine Protective Services) needs to come in, and take them to caring forever homes.

He can sit and tweet with his new cats, as he slowly begins to resemble a bitter, middle aged lesbian.

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (sLicW)

218 This is a story of constitutional subversion, abuse of power and treason performed at the highest levels of our government. Where is the media? Collecting Pulitzer's for writing political storylines on the Russian Collusion fraud that was paid for by their bosses on the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 04, 2019 05:44 PM (ZFEdM)

the Steele document was opposition research paid for by the Democrats. They then used that as justification to get the FBI and DOJ, to continue said opposition research using government funding and power.

They then used THAT as justification for Mueller to continue that opposition research.

The Dems want access to that opposition research, which is why they are screaming for the release of the Mueller report AND all evidence or documents they collected.

It started as op research, and continues to be that to this day.

Posted by: Don Q at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (NgKpN)

219 I'm just a rube, but I don't understand why Trump can't pull these agency heads into the Oval Office, demand they reveal everything or get fired, and just go right down the list until these agencies have been purged.

Posted by: Blago at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (UfkIY)

220 But hey, to use the wartime British analogy you started, we must just "Keep Calm And Carry On".

But we WILL need the modern day Albert Pierrepoint (hangman of William Joyce) to do away with the traitors, no doubt.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 04, 2019 05:50 PM (ujg0T)

That's all I want. But major personalities like Ann had better get their heads straight, because past a certain point she's guaranteed an appointment for an Adam's apple stretching.

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:56 PM (JH+YW)

221 Cuba agrees to let players go to MLB, that way they get a cut of the pie unlike when they defect. Puig had to pay the mob millions for getting him out, the socialists want that money

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 04, 2019 05:56 PM (ViGAX)

222 202 >> the biggest disappointment with the whole bezos thing is that the richest man in the world gave $35.6 billion for some neverwaslocalnewslatinahoocie, destroying two families.

That is enough to buy all of the pussy in Sweden.
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (Y5i3u)

Reflect on the mundane nature of all of it. He wasn't doing lines of coke on 10 new hookers each day or having wild sex parties. He was cheating on his wife(who given she looks pretty decent was probably not sleeping with him or something) with a pretty average looking woman(somewhat pretty).

The sort of story you might hear at any level of life.

Posted by: Someguy at April 04, 2019 05:56 PM (mX8Vr)

223 @219
Because Trump would be guilty of obstruction of obstruction of justice.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 04, 2019 05:56 PM (koNhm)

224 >>I don't understand why Trump can't pull these agency heads into the Oval Office, demand they reveal everything or get fired, and just go right down the list until these agencies have been purged.

He can.

He should have cleaned house at Justice a long time ago.

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:56 PM (Y5i3u)

225 what's the statute of limitations on treason? asking for John Kerry.

Posted by: x at April 04, 2019 05:56 PM (nFwvY)

226 What would Longshanks do?

Posted by: Toad-O at April 04, 2019 05:57 PM (cct0t)

227 216 I know, it's called the Fourth Amendment: but we need something more wordy and specific in the US Code because apparently our apparatchiks did't get the memo.

No matter how it is worded, it makes no difference when the same people who are charged with protecting your Rights are in the forefront in purposely violating them.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (lD3vL)

The absolute greatest blow to the correct reading of the Constitution came when a Supreme Court Justice decided that 'the Constitution is not a suicide pact', and could thus, be ignored.

Posted by: Don Q at April 04, 2019 05:57 PM (NgKpN)

228 >>The sort of story you might hear at any level of life.

Sure. If the figure being discussed was $36.50.

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:57 PM (Y5i3u)

229 have you seen the maw on his wife ?

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 04, 2019 05:54 PM (M+Lyo)

I'd bet my paycheck that maw has never been anywhere near his dick.

Posted by: kathysaysso at April 04, 2019 05:58 PM (vkS2Z)

230 >>This is a story of constitutional subversion, abuse of power and treason performed at the highest levels of our government. Where is the media? Collecting Pulitzer's for writing political storylines on the Russian Collusion fraud that was paid for by their bosses on the Democratic Party.

As Trump's been tweeting, the biggest scandal in the history of the US.

Go figure Mr. Hyperbole would not be exaggerating with this.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 04, 2019 05:58 PM (W+vEI)

231 226 What would Longshanks do?

Posted by: Toad-O at April 04, 2019 05:57 PM (cct0t)

Throw gays out the tower window! Maybe he was a secret Muslim?

Posted by: Gref at April 04, 2019 05:58 PM (AMIL/)

232
That and his bad taste in women.

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (M+Lyo)

Say what you want, but Donnie Boy hasn't paid millions in ransoms for Ivanka or dick pic blackmail. Bezos had to know that, despite having an order of magnitude more wealth than Donald Trump, he's still well behind in the Game.

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:58 PM (JH+YW)

233 He should have cleaned house at Justice a long time ago.
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:56 PM (Y5i3u)

-------

TBF, I think they had that set up as the trigger for obstruction charges and impeachment during the Mueller fiasco.

But the Mueller fiasco is over now, and I hope Trump gets down to business, and heads start rolling soon.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 04, 2019 05:58 PM (AzW6q)

234 The fact that that occurred tells you all you need to know about where our IC's loyalties lay, and it ain't with America.

And why should it be? The top-most levels of government have for generations been working to destroy the US and have us toil under the umbrella of a global cabal of tyrants.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 05:58 PM (lD3vL)

235 Devin, that ship has sailed.

And, how. Ahoy!

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at April 04, 2019 05:59 PM (EgshT)

236 Hmmm, this chili turned watery on reheating.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 04, 2019 05:50 PM (ycWCI)

Because the dead cows are crying for the death of Mother Gaia.

Posted by: Alexandria Orcasia Cilestromagandi at April 04, 2019 05:59 PM (sLicW)

237 you know the mel gibson girlfriend that recorded him the you should blow me thing?

how do you think bezos is going to use the "you made me lose $35.6 billion" thing will go?

"no sex? you are not in the mood? $35.6 billion, you better fucking get in the mood."

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:59 PM (MTjB1)

238 >>This is a story of constitutional subversion, abuse of power and treason performed at the highest levels of our government. Where is the media? Collecting Pulitzer's for writing political storylines on the Russian Collusion fraud that was paid for by their bosses on the Democratic Party.

Billy Mumphrey was a country boy.
You might say he was a 'cock-eyed optomist'...

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:59 PM (Y5i3u)

239 Freedom requires risk, a certain degree of chaos, and will never be secured using a "top-down" methodology. Freedom must be secured at the grass-roots level.

Posted by: Democracy Run Amok at April 04, 2019 05:50 PM

Yes - even the infamous "Star Chamber" of Elizabethan times, the one we still make reference to, was set up with the Best of Intentions, the Protection of the Crown.

just for historical reference, the "Star Chamber" which all governments crave in one form or another, was a meeting room in Elizabeth's Court where her top ministers could meet and hand out warrants and sentences, even death sentences, for whoever caught their attention. No evidence needed, no representation allowed, the defendant didn't even have to be informed that the Star Chamber was sentencing him, until the moment that they caught up with him and executed the sentence.

Yeah it kinda does sound what we've let the FISA court turn into.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 05:59 PM (Kpl3J)

240 227 216 I know, it's called the Fourth Amendment: but we need something more wordy and specific in the US Code because apparently our apparatchiks did't get the memo.

No matter how it is worded, it makes no difference when the same people who are charged with protecting your Rights are in the forefront in purposely violating them.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (lD3vL)
----------------------------

Or, we could use a version of the warning from Revelation which says adding to or subtracting from these words incurs death.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 04, 2019 05:59 PM (qC1Sy)

241 228 >>The sort of story you might hear at any level of life.

Sure. If the figure being discussed was $36.50.
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:57 PM (Y5i3u)

Yeah the divorce settlement is on an entirely different level.

But I was getting at that the sort of sinfulness was actually pretty normal.

Posted by: Someguy at April 04, 2019 05:59 PM (mX8Vr)

242
she didn't help with anything in any meaningful way.

how was it she was so key to everything but no one knew so until they got divorced?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:47 PM (MTjB1)

they left NY, drove to Seattle, and together wrote the initial Amazon business plan.

She ran the books and operations from their original location, in the garage of their home.

She did help build that.

But whatever.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 04, 2019 05:59 PM (sy5kK)

243 "219
I'm just a rube, but I don't understand why Trump can't pull these
agency heads into the Oval Office, demand they reveal everything or get
fired, and just go right down the list until these agencies have been
purged.

Posted by: Blago at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (UfkIY)"
--
You have to remember that there have been multiple attempts on groups of GOP congresscritters, as well as more than one attempt on the boss man, in the last 3 years. It's just that all of them that didn't involve anyone getting shot have been memory-holed. At least some of those were intended as messages. We are, and have been, this close > < to various bad actors saying "fuck it" and just going for it.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 04, 2019 06:00 PM (eAshZ)

244 TBF, I think they had that set up as the trigger for obstruction charges and impeachment during the Mueller fiasco.

But the Mueller fiasco is over now, and I hope Trump gets down to business, and heads start rolling soon.

This^^^^^

Heads need to start rolling. NOW!

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 04, 2019 06:00 PM (0OmEj)

245 blake: "Psst: Devin, that ship has sailed."

Ain't that the truth. I really like Nunes. He's one of the few worth his salt. (BTW, give to his campaign. He's earning it.) But, yeah, hearing Congresspeak is a comedy all its own. Nunes will actually do something (not enough, but more than typical), but playing the straight man in the spectacle before us is damn tiring.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 04, 2019 06:00 PM (6eEQ+)

246 But the Mueller fiasco is over now, and I hope Trump gets down to business, and heads start rolling soon.

What would be the start of a national catharsis is to have Trump instigate a country-sized version of Michael Corleone settling family business.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 06:00 PM (lD3vL)

247 It's good to have a maw.

Posted by: Little Lupe at April 04, 2019 06:00 PM (EgshT)

248 FBI....Cheka, GPU, OGPU, NKVD, KGB.

Birds of a feather.....maybe we can come up with cool new names for the FBI now.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 04, 2019 06:01 PM (Z+IKu)

249 For the record, I wish to note here that President Obama instructed us to do everything "by the book."

Posted by: Susan Rice at April 04, 2019 06:02 PM (DuAZ5)

250 For the record, I wish to note here that President Obama instructed us to do everything "by the book."
Posted by: Susan Rice
=================

Susan, are you ever going to return my copy of the book "Rules for Radicals?"

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 04, 2019 06:02 PM (DuAZ5)

251 Hmmm, this chili turned watery on reheating.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 04, 2019 05:50 PM

=====

Because the dead cows are crying for the death of Mother Gaia.
Posted by: Alexandria Orcasia Cilestromagandi at April 04, 2019 05:59 PM

And those bubbles bubbling up?

Yeah, cow farts.

Posted by: The Brains Behind AOC at April 04, 2019 06:02 PM (Ay+Od)

252 Oh, and Theresa, one more thing before I let you go. Please call themPM of Australia and let him know. I'd do it, but no one fucking knows who he is. Thanks.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 04, 2019 06:02 PM (gC2IV)

253 250 For the record, I wish to note here that President Obama instructed us to do everything "by the book."
Posted by: Susan Rice
=================

Susan, are you ever going to return my copy of the book "Rules for Radicals?"
Posted by: Barack Obama at April 04, 2019 06:02 PM (DuAZ5)

And 1984?

Posted by: Don Q at April 04, 2019 06:03 PM (NgKpN)

254 248 FBI....Cheka, GPU, OGPU, NKVD, KGB.

Birds of a feather.....maybe we can come up with cool new names for the FBI now.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 04, 2019 06:01 PM (Z+IKu)

Part of the problem (depending on your viewpoint!) is that Mother Theresa-type persons aren't hired by those organizations.

Posted by: Gref at April 04, 2019 06:04 PM (AMIL/)

255 Your chili turned watery? Did you put carrots in it or something?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 04, 2019 06:04 PM (ViGAX)

256 Throw gays out the tower window! Maybe he was a secret Muslim?

Posted by: Gref at April 04, 2019 05:58 PM

Fun trivia - found out that Edward 1 (Longshanks) was never actually accused of doing that - but an earlier King, Henry 1, really did throw someone off a tower for pissing him off! And he didn't get any underlings to do it for him, he pitched the guy off himself.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 06:04 PM (Kpl3J)

257 I'm just a rube, but I don't understand why Trump can't pull these agency heads into the Oval Office, demand they reveal everything or get fired, and just go right down the list until these agencies have been purged.
Posted by: Blago at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (UfkIY)

Could pull an Obama, fire them and take direct control of the Departments. For DoJ/FBI take about a thousand youngish war vets from DoD and make them FBI agents and prosecutors. ... F'IT - transfer the whole Ranger Regiment, equipment and all.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2019 06:04 PM (1g7ch)

258 hey left NY, drove to Seattle, and together wrote the initial Amazon business plan.

She ran the books and operations from their original location, in the garage of their home.

She did help build that.

But whatever.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at A

source?

the quote was was she "was there when he wrote the business plan."

the garage was not in their home it was rented.

she did some of the books.

she did not build that

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 06:05 PM (MTjB1)

259 Declassify it all and let the light shine on all the cockroaches.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2019 06:06 PM (nBV40)

260 [Or, we could use a version of the warning from Revelation which says adding to or subtracting from these words incurs death.

Again, other than vigilantes, who in government do you think has the integrity to punish the malefactors in government?

Satan doesn't cast out Satan. A house divided can't stand.

(as far as the reference to Rev. adding receives the plagues written in the book, subtracting is eternal damnation)

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 06:06 PM (lD3vL)

261 >>Say what you want, but Donnie Boy hasn't paid millions in ransoms for Ivanka or dick pic blackmail. Bezos had to know that, despite having an order of magnitude more wealth than Donald Trump, he's still well behind in the Game.

Kinda amazing that the icky Orange Man, whose swagger and love of media attention, did not do ANYTHING Mueller could latch on to, despite all his resources and harch threats to Cohen and others.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 04, 2019 06:07 PM (W+vEI)

262 For DoJ/FBI take about a thousand youngish war vets from DoD and make them FBI agents and prosecutors. ... F'IT - transfer the whole Ranger Regiment, equipment and all.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2019 06:04 PM (1g7ch)

I'm not sure the skillsets for quality investigative work and infantry tactics overlap. Now, if you mean kick in their doors at 3 AM and bring them to justice- I agree, let's do this. But Donald Trump, for whatever reason, evidently wants investigation first. I don't know how he's gotten as much of the conspiracy unravelled as he has, but clearly a lot of investigative work has happened. We owe it to the President to sed this through.

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 06:08 PM (JH+YW)

263 "219 I'm just a rube, but I don't understand why Trump can't pull these agency heads into the Oval Office, demand they reveal everything or get fired, and just go right down the list until these agencies have been purged.

Posted by: Blago at April 04, 2019 05:55 PM (UfkIY) "

Exactly. I find this baffling.
I must not understand the words "Chief Executive" correctly, being, as you say, just a rube.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 04, 2019 06:08 PM (wA4OO)

264 (as far as the reference to Rev. adding receives the plagues written in the book, subtracting is eternal damnation)

I always liked the part about the Whore of Babylon. I think that would make a good movie.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 06:08 PM (Kpl3J)

265 Have we done the LDS church 'evolving' on gay marriage yet?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 04, 2019 06:10 PM (bcbK8)

266 Whore of Babylon?

Hillary is running?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2019 06:10 PM (nBV40)

267

Donna Brazille: I've known Joe Biden for 30 years and in that time, he never did anything inappropriate with me.

That's some low hanging fruit right there.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 04, 2019 06:10 PM (f1Vqw)

268 OT, but rather funny:

I'm a CPA and am on hold with the IRS for a client.

An agent left an unclear message on my office phone at 9:00 pm last night, saying if I don't get back to her by tomorrow with answers to her questions that I couldn't understand, she's going to reject an amended return we filed 4 months ago. So I called the tax practitioners' line, and the agent I got hold of said the name and agent ID # wasn't even listed in the case notes, which were of no help anyway in trying to find out what the hell she called about.

That's the boring typical incompetency.

Then she mentioned "they took our phones away here." They no longer have physical phones on their desks and "making outgoing calls is complicated."

Incompetency still reigns supreme at the IRS. Now with more technology.

Posted by: Marybeth at April 04, 2019 06:10 PM (CmURZ)

269 Kinda amazing that the icky Orange Man, whose swagger and love of media attention, did not do ANYTHING Mueller could latch on to, despite all his resources and harch threats to Cohen and others.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 04, 2019 06:07 PM (W+vEI)

Just the fact the Dems are stuck on Stormy, as opposed to having her and Avenatti show up as corpses just to protect themselves, means even the Cohen raid gave them nothing amounting to a true scandal. Or there were too many restrictions in getting that knowledge out.

Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 06:10 PM (JH+YW)

270 so, the whore of babylon, she generally considered to be multilingual?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 06:10 PM (MTjB1)

271 202 >> the biggest disappointment with the whole bezos thing is that the richest man in the world gave $35.6 billion for some neverwaslocalnewslatinahoocie, destroying two families.

That is enough to buy all of the pussy in Sweden.
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2019 05:53 PM (Y5i3u)

You don't pay for pussy in Sweden. Just take it.

Posted by: New bearded friends from desert regions. at April 04, 2019 06:11 PM (sy5kK)

272 NOOD

Posted by: DR.WTF at April 04, 2019 06:11 PM (aS1PU)

273 266 Whore of Babylon?

Hillary is running?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 04, 2019 06:10 PM (nBV40)

The Whore of Little Rock just doesn't have the same cachet.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 04, 2019 06:11 PM (Kpl3J)

274 trev006, well said. Once again PDT is doing everything in the exact proper way so as to leave the rats no way out.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 04, 2019 06:11 PM (+mYkQ)

275 Don't forget: Brennen was the source of the "17 US intelligence agencies agree that Russia is interfering with our election"

Remember Hillary repeating that line in the debate?

And now we know, it was just Brennen and 4 other guys he handpicked to review.

He put that out in the media, that lie.

Then that lie got put into FISA applications--from him directly and the media as "confirmation."

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at April 04, 2019 06:12 PM (TN1P5)

276 Conversation that I had with the neighbors, chili doesn't have beans in it.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 04, 2019 06:12 PM (ViGAX)

277
source?

the quote was was she "was there when he wrote the business plan."

the garage was not in their home it was rented.

she did some of the books.

she did not build that
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 06:05 PM (MTjB1)

a dozen or so Seattle Times articles that I have to be subjected to, in order to scroll to the sports section where I want to read the only thing worth reading on that rag.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 04, 2019 06:13 PM (sy5kK)

278 157 Look, we get it. Trump is not perfect and ideal. But too much doom and gloom does not inspire, and it's The Donald or the Demunist Commiecrats.

Posted by:Curmudgeonat April 04, 2019 05:37 PM (ujg0T)

It's done deliberately, to limit appropriate feelings to "Trump loves illegal immigration so I don't support him" (see: Ann Coulter) and "TRUMP IS THE NAZI DEVIL HITLER" (which is a curious kind of Holocaust denial, but hey). No space for being proud of this President or discussing his accomplishments in revealing his enemies.

The appropriate response to blackpilling William Joyces is to shoot them FIRST.
Posted by: trev006 at April 04, 2019 05:44 PM (JH+YW)

First, I was full Trump as soon as he announced while the old guard were fighting between Jen, Rubio, and Cruz.
Second, There is nothing wrong with holding Trump accountable to what got him elected. No Immigration, kick out illegals, Border Security, and Wall. Once the demographics change, it's game over for America. And they are changing rapidly like both parties want for various motives.

Finally; I give Trump credit where it's due. Always. But None of it matters if the invasion is successful and Marxists/Commies are voted in for life. After that you can kiss Western Civilization goodbye as well.

Posted by: literally serious at April 04, 2019 06:13 PM (zmPFY)

279 This might help focus things...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1112947197484695552.html

To quote: "We've been looking at this the wrong way !!"

Posted by: CPT. Charles at April 04, 2019 06:15 PM (W+kMI)

280 What they don't understand about Trump is that he has dealt with this sh*t every business as usual day.
And in his business there were no jobs for life.

The painful thing is when he came into office he thought he had allies. He thought there were people he could trust.

It's been a steep learning curve but he's learning faster than they can keep up.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 04, 2019 06:16 PM (ePWRo)

281 Things are quickly coming undone on all these people.

Exit question: who plays McCabe in the film "All the President's Women?"

Too bad Micheal Douglas is 30 years too old to pull it off.

Posted by: 13times at April 04, 2019 06:16 PM (K3B2k)

282 Seattle Times articles that I have to be subjected to, in order to scroll to the sports section where I want to read the only thing worth reading on that rag.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at A

when I googled it the quote I found has the wife saying she was there when the plan was written, not that she was a writer. you would think she would not go out of her way to claim that she helped write it unless say so was untrue.

she was 14 years his junior with next to no business experience. why would someone care what she thought?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 06:16 PM (MTjB1)

283 We are working on the referrals," Nunes said. "There's going to be many of them. There are going to probably at least be a dozen if not two dozen individuals,
.........

Referrals? *yawn*
Wake me up when ONE gets indicted.

Posted by: wth at April 04, 2019 06:17 PM (v0R5T)

284 276 Conversation that I had with the neighbors, chili doesn't have beans in it.

all the more space for carrots.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 04, 2019 06:18 PM (sGtp+)

285 the threat of fisa gone wrong is greater than whatever foreign intelligence agencies will learn from dsiclosing the information about the trump fisa warrants.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2019 05:40 PM (MTjB1)

I disagree. The problem is not with FISA but with the refusal to hold those who abuse it to the harshest letter of the law. Those who abuse FISA should be thrown into a cell and the key thrown away - at best.

If society has a problem holding those who abuse power liable then our problems are much deeper than any particular formulation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 04, 2019 06:18 PM (N3Mch)

286 Anybody want to buy some manganese? Apparently there is a bunch of it around the farm.

Posted by: Weasel at April 04, 2019 06:18 PM (MVjcR)

287 What's the better look for Trump. Having a traitor shot or hanged?

Posted by: Loretta at April 04, 2019 06:19 PM (vI+F1)

288 Benedict Arnold's name can be replaced with the details of the Mueller Coup ...

Under the guise of the "Most Trustworthy Marine in DC", the man ran a coup for the Shadow Government, destroying evidence of their own crimes, while framing a duly elected president that ran on cleaning up the Globalist Cartel. And destroying any Trump supporter that was nearby, with process crimes or just the cost of defense against malicious subpoenas.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 04, 2019 06:19 PM (Cus5s)

289 Benedict Arnold's name can be replaced with the details of the Mueller Coup

The Mueller coup was only the latest America-destroying action of the Barky junta. They were pulling shit like that every single day while the Indonesian illegitimately occupooped the White House.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 04, 2019 06:21 PM (N3Mch)

290 A criminal referral of the Justice Dept. to the Justice Dept.

Surely they'll put their top men on it.

Posted by: aelfheld at April 04, 2019 06:28 PM (IxDhF)

291
I disagree. The problem is not with FISA but with the refusal to hold those who abuse it to the harshest letter of the law. Those who abuse FISA should be thrown into a cell and the key thrown away - at best.

If society has a problem holding those who abuse power liable then our problems are much deeper than any particular formulation.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 04, 2019 06:18 PM (N3Mch)

From the beginning, Trump should have issued a strong policy statement to DoJ that civil rights violations will be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible, 50% conviction rate would be deemed 'outstanding'.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 04, 2019 06:30 PM (1g7ch)

292 Again, other than vigilantes, who in government do you think has the integrity to punish the malefactors in government?

Satan doesn't cast out Satan. A house divided can't stand.

(as far as the reference to Rev. adding receives the plagues written in the book, subtracting is eternal damnation)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 04, 2019 06:06 PM (lD3vL)

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I'd say if a pattern of executing those who would dare such a thing is developed it would be sufficient deterrent to those who would do otherwise.

Remember, this would have to be done with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 04, 2019 06:34 PM (qC1Sy)

293 287 What's the better look for Trump. Having a traitor shot or hanged?
Posted by: Loretta at April 04, 2019 06:19 PM (vI+F1)

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Yes.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 04, 2019 06:35 PM (qC1Sy)

294 Susan Rice is another who would get my vote for Who would you like to see in a orange jumpsuit

Posted by: Skip at April 04, 2019 06:43 PM (BbGew)

295 time's a wasting, folks

Posted by: Keto not Beto at April 04, 2019 07:04 PM (9AcAx)

296 Obama made lots of room in Gitmo. Maybe he should get a billit ?

Posted by: torabora at April 04, 2019 07:06 PM (5nwyF)

297 Obama made lots of room in Gitmo. Maybe he should get a billit

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most conservatives won't be fully decucked until they accept that it's ok to have hillary and obama arrested for what they did.

After all, these same suckers,on the left and the right, were perfectly happy to accuse trump of treason and spread rumors that he going down to da jail.

Obama is not untouchable...at least he should be held to legal process, especially since the left wants to SWAT and sue us into oblivioun.

executive summary, fuck them.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at April 04, 2019 07:11 PM (9AcAx)

298 Meanwhile, back on the ranch, The Border is still WIDE OPEN.
Immigration is everything.

Posted by: Quilp at April 04, 2019 07:41 PM (Bf3hj)

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