Clinton-Appointed Judge in Flynn Sentencing Hearing Accuses Him of Treason, Suggests He'll Sentence Him Beyond What the Plea Deal Calls for

#TheResistance has a new hero.

The Clinton-appointed judge, Emmett Sullivan, claimed that Flynn's suggestion that the FBI misled him (which it, you know, did) cast doubt on Flynn's acceptance of culpability. The not-so-veiled threat from the judge is that if Flynn wouldn't repudiate his previous complaints about the FBI, he'd toss out the plea deal and sentence Flynn more harshly than the plea called for.

He also badgered both Flynn and the prosecutor about whether Flynn had committed "treason."

Though then, after he returned from a break, this Clinton appointee said he wanted to "clarify" that his own previous claim that Flynn was working in the White House when his contacts with foreigners occurred. I guess he bothered to read the actual facts and corrected himself -- well, "clarified" -- that Flynn wasn't in the White House and that he was now not "suggesting" treason.

Which is actually exactly what he did before.

Basically the judge seems to be threatening Flynn with jail time unless he offers more to the Mueller investigation. Flynn has gotten that message, and now says he wants to delay sentencing because he might cooperate more with Mueller.

The court has delayed sentencing to permit this. So, no sentencing today. After threatening Flynn for an hour, Flynn got the message and said he would cooperate more.











Posted by: Ace of Spades at 12:58 PM




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1 when the shift happens and people on the right do the math and realize it is worth it to let the crime fit the punishment, those will be interesting times

Posted by: bored383 at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (zJ4nO)

2 Stasiland.

Posted by: MW at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (hNTtn)

3 Top 5? YAY!

Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (lGLBx)

4 Slow down. It ain't over.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (cCsPW)

5 top 5

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (8D42x)

6 Done for the day!

Posted by: Ann at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (NDO5Q)

7 I don't know what the fuck is going in and will withhold comment.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (BXMxN)

8 So it continues to look like a hot mess

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (U7k5w)

9 Not G Gordon Liddy.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (d6PIl)

10 Burn it all down, scatter the stones, and salt the ground.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (trpsZ)

11 I have no idea what's going on with Sullivan. Maybe he's just making it clear that this trial is increasingly a farce and that he refuses to play along with it. I can't imagine why a Mueller fan would expend this much energy on calling attention to the 302s.

It's an odd trial, but when half the evidence is under seal, it's really impossible to know what the deal is.

Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (yBq7A)

12 I really hate these people. They are willing to do whatever it takes to make sure that someone like Trump is never elected again so they can continue to make this country into a banana republic while all of them are exempted from the odious laws they pass for the hoi polloi.

May they rot in hell for an eternity.

They are scum to the max and the willing media is so stupid they don't realize that when the government these people want is implemented, the media will be the first to be dragged to the slaughter.

Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 01:00 PM (lGLBx)

13 I believe I have succumb to a case of whiplash.

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:00 PM (fE+0o)

14 This is fucking ridiculous.

Prepare for what comes next and the burning times.

Posted by: John C Calhoun at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (1skAe)

15 fuk this sullivan

Posted by: Big Al fredo at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (iWo0u)

16 In defense of this judge, he was practically begging Flynn to withdraw the plea, and I think based on that he might have even thrown the whole thing out. Flynn is either hiding something else or was just laying down like a tired, wounded dog until the judge insinuated he would do hard time if he didn't at least agree to delay sentencing.

What I don't understand, and would fault the judge on (unless his hands are tied) is ... why does he have to play along with this fucking charade? Why not vacate the plea irrespective of whether Flynn agrees to or not given that he all but stated he knew there was serious proprietorial misconduct? Throw the damn plea and indictment out, with prejudice, hold the prosecution in contempt, and let them know that if they go after Flynn again further contempt charges will follow.

Our "justice" system is a fucking disgrace.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (GdJ+p)

17 I do appreciate the acknowledgement that we are truly not a nation of laws but vindictiveness and raw power play, and no matter if one has served well the country one may still be a victim of the political class.

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (fE+0o)

18 >>>I can't imagine why a Mueller fan would expend this much energy on calling attention to the 302s.

Because he was looking for MOAR EVIDENCE against Flynn.

And because he wanted to bring up this idea that if Flynn complains about FBI tactics, then he's not really accepting responsibility, and can be thrown in jail.

he wants to throw him in jail and is looking for any reason to do so.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (PbpT7)

19 huh? what on earth is going on w/ our judiciary?

Posted by: IC at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (a0IVu)

20 A really big shoe.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (aKsyK)

21 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?

Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)

22 Mueller's sentencing memo reads like Flynn is just short of the Rosenbergs. Flynn's sentencing memo says he was more or less entrapped. Irreconcilable. Good on the judge for not allowing himself to be implicated in this horseshoe. Win for Flynn. Mueller might quietly drop the charge.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (cCsPW)

23 Sorry to say, I can't keep track of who anyone even is anymore in this "investigation." A blur of names, a maelstrom of shifting allegiances.

It's like trying to makes sense of the Guelphs and Ghibellines battling it out in 12-century Italy. By the second paragraph, your head is spinning.

Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (c+2jX)

24 If you are accepting the plea deal you cannot proclaim your innocence to the court at the same time. If you do you are rejecting the plea deal and the greater sentence can be imposed.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (hLRSq)

25
Sara A. Carter @SaraCarterDC
#MikeFlynn sentencing postponed indefinitely with an update on March 13, 2019. Judge Sullivan has more questions about Special Counsel's and FBI conduct

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (BqBId)

26 A retired three-star general committing treason.

Yeah, right.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (XGA3u)

27 Judges are apolitical and always have been!

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (tp5vm)

28 How can evidence be withheld if one is defending his life?

srsly this is going to be an excuse?

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (fE+0o)

29 So Justice is now totally dependent on whether you cooperate with the FBI or not.

This is now... what... FOUR cases where this has been the major determiner of sentence, not that actual 'crime' committed?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (NgKpN)

30 "Justice." Okay then. So be it.

Posted by: Abiss at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (Y8DtA)

31 Full. Pardon. Now.
"Impeachment"-palooza is coming regardless. Let's have it out now.

Posted by: DocJ at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (NYS7S)

32 So.... judge is saying "I will treat you far worse than that asshole over there will, but you have to come clean on your own accord."

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (8XRCm)

33 SCO needed some Russian angle in the press, so Flynn's unregistered agent work helped them out here. He's basically glad to plead to the minor lying Russia! Russia! offense to get out from under the other one.

Posted by: Boswell at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (OjnQU)

34 7 I don't know what the fuck is going in and will withhold comment.
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (BXMxN)

Grade A shitshow.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)

35 I have a completely different reading than Ace.

I think the treason comment was aimed squarely at the prosecution. And by retracting it, as Jackal claimed, he got the prosecution to back off too. So if it wasn't treason, was it really that bad.

Sullivan gave Flynn every opportunity to retract his plea. And he still has time. Flynn has agency.

But if Flynn stays the course, Sullivan will throw the book at him. How cooperative he will be following that will remain to be seen. That could be a wild card Mueuller wants to avoid.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (sX1BW)

36 21 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)

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Some of us are ashamed that we did.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)

37 Ahhhh. The sweet smell of justice!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)

38 navybrat that is what I told my last child, " to what purpose?!" and "for whom?"

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (fE+0o)

39
I thought I just heard that the Judge clarified his statement and that he didn't mean to make Flynn sound as bad as he did.

What the fuck is this? And he delayed the sentencing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (/9p9e)

40

"TLDR: Flynn decided to delay sentencing so Sullivan can consider his continued cooperation with the government."

Does he mean Mueller's Shadow Government??

Posted by: Walt Disney and Walt Whitman at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (kyzbF)

41 The Obama stench is still hanging around.

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (RuIsu)

42 Emmit, you might want to clarify your position. We didn't want you to go quite that far so, go ahead after this break and, uh, soften it up a bit.


Posted by: Deep State controller at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (37IEG)

43 I don't know what the fuck is going in and will withhold comment.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (BXMxN)

you're new here aren't you?...

/s

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (8D42x)

44 >>I think the treason comment was aimed squarely at the prosecution. And by retracting it, as Jackal claimed, he got the prosecution to back off too. So if it wasn't treason, was it really that bad.

>>Sullivan gave Flynn every opportunity to retract his plea. And he still has time. Flynn has agency.

>>But if Flynn stays the course, Sullivan will throw the book at him. How cooperative he will be following that will remain to be seen. That could be a wild card Mueuller wants to avoid.

I agree with you.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (/tuJf)

45 So. Who called the judge during the break and made him back off from the treason stuff?

Posted by: G. Gnome, GNOMCO Home Defense System and Turkey Fryer Salesman at December 18, 2018 01:07 PM (al6UK)

46 Grade A shitshow.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)


Correct. I really think waiting a bit will be best. The listed tweets aren't exactly full of information.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:07 PM (hLRSq)

47 >>So. Who called the judge during the break and made him back off from the treason stuff?

He met with the Special Prosecutors team during the break, not Flynn's team.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (/tuJf)

48
TLDR: Flynn decided to delay sentencing so Sullivan can consider his continued cooperation with the government.

Is this bullshit or is this the fake news spin??

Flynn is supposedly cooperating with Mueller, not the Government. Mueller is the Shadow Government.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (kyzbF)

49 guys...

"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."

He went on:

"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (PbpT7)

50 Willowed:

Trump has been saying for the last couple days he is going to court to get an opinion he can if it is a national security issue.

Caravan was pretty helpful in showing that.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (/tuJf)

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I don't believe that would work - it would require a judge to side with Trump on a major issue where the government has a very interested iron in the fire, and that's an extremely, extremely unlikely outcome.

Can it be done by EO when the CR expires?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (AzW6q)

51 Because he was looking for MOAR EVIDENCE against Flynn.

And because he wanted to bring up this idea that if Flynn complains about FBI tactics, then he's not really accepting responsibility, and can be thrown in jail.

he wants to throw him in jail and is looking for any reason to do so.
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (PbpT7)

But that's the thing. Why does a judge need to get -more- evidence than the prosecution freely offers? Particularly if the prosecution has a plea deal and is recommending a light sentence?

You can call it a good cop/ bad judge, but if that was true Sullivan wouldn't be bringing up things that tend to damage the prosecution. It's at least as likely that Sullivan is fed up to the gills, and will punish Flynn for his role in this kabuki.

Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (yBq7A)

52 That's kind of Orwellian, isn't it? Not only do you have to take a plea deal, but you have to BELIEVE it, essentially as part of the sentence?

Posted by: West at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (7Fa8Y)

53 Where are you getting this idea that the judge is on Flynn's side? He threatened Flynn with jailtime even though the plea called for none.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (PbpT7)

54 Prediction...Mueller will drop charges. Flynn will "cooperate" even more, esp on this case against his former associates, and Mueller will drop charges.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (cCsPW)

55 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)
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Some of us are ashamed that we did.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)


We were just foot-soldiers. Hell, I never even rat-fucked the MREs.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (YHze/)

56 Isn't treason giving aid and comfort to an enemy? Turkey, for all the many faults of Erdogan, is still technically an ally of the United States.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (7HtZB)

57 >>So. Who called the judge during the break and made him back off from the treason stuff?

He met with the Special Prosecutors team during the break, not Flynn's team.

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Judges told him there was not enough for treason. Sullivan will hold them to that now. So he backed off, because he didn't want that sting to linger.

Seems like the Judge is giving Flynn a chance to save himself here.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (sX1BW)

58 Slow down. It ain't over.

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I don't think I've been this discouraged since Trump was elected.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (+y/Ru)

59 The judge gave every left winger a wet dream soundbite(that they are already trumpeting).Thanks.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (BXMxN)

60 21 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)

I hold my civil service oath to be null and void. United States of America in name only. This is an collaborationist occupation government of the New World Order.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (J+mig)

61 I have no idea what this means. But I'm still worried.

Posted by: Adorably Categorically Deplorable at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (6FY0P)

62 I'm sure there were death threats to his entire family tree.

This stinks to high heaven.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (F4u7C)

63 #35 above is right. Sullivan was itching to throw this whole thing out and then throw the book at the prosecution. Flynn and his attorneys fucked up his plan today. That's on him, not on the judge.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (GdJ+p)

64 The judge is not doing favors for Flynn.

Please read what he said:

"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."

He went on:

"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (PbpT7)

65 >>"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."

>>He went on:

>>"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."

And he walked all of it back after the break.

He also asked Flynn over and over if he wanted to pull his guilty plea and if he wanted to delay sentencing. It sounded like he was trying to goad him into it.

It is a very strange outcome for a simple plea bargain.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (/tuJf)

66 > "This is a very serious offense," Sullivan said. "A high ranking senior official of the government making false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation while on the physical premises of the White House."

I wonder if that same standard applies to high-ranking senior officials of the Department of Justice making false statements to the FISA Court?

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (oNFAg)

67 Well, never thought I'd have a ring side seat the the final internment of the Rule of Law in this country.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (qC1Sy)

68

What's the Crime?

I thought Flynn was charged with a Process Crime?

Is this cocksucking judge "disgusted" by a bullshit contrived process crime??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (kyzbF)

69 Isn't it amazing the leverage you have when you've monitored everyone's email, text, phone conversations, video viewing habits, net search requests and digital media.

We think so.

Posted by: Deep State DataCenter at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (37IEG)

70 Where are you getting this idea that the judge is on Flynn's side? He threatened Flynn with jailtime even though the plea called for none.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (PbpT7)

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That was a shot at Meuller.

"I can make your shitty plea deals worthless and NOBODY will take your shitty plea deals any longer."

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (8XRCm)

71 I think Sullivan is trying to tell Flynn that he will throw the book at him if he continues to plead guilty in order to undermine whatever bullshit plea deal Mueller offered him under the guise of no jail time.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (N5dam)

72 SMH, never be sorry, I for one am grateful, but until our govt becomes integral in itself, I will defend my childs right to say not for him/her.

same idea with I will send No One to prison unless a definitive violent crime. Because why should the masses pay for crime that our betters do as a matter of recourse?

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (fE+0o)

73 If "acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign government" is treason then when does the Tony Podesta trial start?

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (oNFAg)

74 I'm puzzled, isn't this the judge that demanded the FBI give him the original 302s, who was given new ones? So he figures that's okay now?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (39g3+)

75 We were just foot-soldiers. Hell, I never even rat-fucked the MREs.
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (YHze/)

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lol

Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.

My friends died for this?

Sure as hell wasn't freedom.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)

76 "TLDR: Flynn decided to delay sentencing so Sullivan can consider his continued cooperation with the government."

Can't have Flynn come testify from prison on a felony lying charge - I suppose the defense will use that gladly. So, best to wait until after Flynn gives testimony, then sentence him on the lying offense. Maybe the Judge is playing along with the SCO on that...

Posted by: Boswell at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (OjnQU)

77 Prediction...Mueller will drop charges. Flynn will "cooperate" even more, esp on this case against his former associates, and Mueller will drop charges.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (cCsPW)

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I think this is what Flynn is looking for. Either this, or a directed not guilty verdict from Judge Sullivan, which does not seem likely at this point.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (ffYR/)

78 But we heard all weekend that this judge was all over Mueller for not producing the original FBI interview summary that said Flynn didn't lie and then they did produce it but then... SICK OF IT.

Posted by: WE NEVER WIN, EVEN WHEN WE WIN at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (uloIh)

79 So....what does Mueller have on the judge? This is an absolute disgrace.

Posted by: deplorably bonnie blue at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (D5b2h)

80 Man, I'd love to hear this guys opinion of 30,000 emails about wedding plans, yoga positions and recipes being deleted, or how you can clean your email servers with a soft cloth.'

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (37IEG)

81 they just wanted to get the word TREASON into the news stream


Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (9HuGt)

82 "Basically the judge seems to be threatening Flynn with jail time unless
he offers more to the Mueller investigation. Flynn has gotten that
message, and now says he wants to delay sentencing because he might
cooperate more with Mueller."
If there was anything else left for Flynn to give to Mueller then why would Mueller have asked for no jail sentence? It indicates that Mueller thought there was nothing left to apply pressure for.

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (xPl2J)

83 "Arguably" and "disdain for this criminal offense" did a lot of work for Sullivan today. Bob Mueller knows it too.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (cCsPW)

84 The Logan Act. That is the charge the prosecution told Sullivan that they could charge him with.

Sullivan then asked "Isn't that the law nobody has ever been charged with" as if he didn't know.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (/tuJf)

85 I used to work for a judge as a clerk and pleas were taken according to form. The defendant had to admit to each element of the crime under oath and the prosecution had to provide the facts for each element that the defendant was pleading guilty to.

If the judge is not certain what crime the defendant is pleading to that is on the prosecution for not making that perfectly clear in the presentencing report. If the defendant is pleading yet proclaiming innocence regarding one of the elements, then again everything gets stopped to be sorted out. Ultimately, if it turned into a Charlie Foxtrot it was the fault of the prosecution for not getting everything lined up before hand.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (hLRSq)

86 Trust Judge Sullivan
Trust Sessions (uh, I mean Whitaker)
Trust the Process (Fultz will come!)
Trust leftover shrimp from that party three days ago
There are more things going on behind the scenes to bring the Deep State to heel than all your philosophy can dream of!

Posted by: Q Anon at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (DuAZ5)

87 Jack, he didn't walk it ALL back. He only walked back his previous accusation of TREASON, because that had been based on incorrect premises.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (PbpT7)

88 Flynn is protecting his son. Why everyone doesn't see this is beyond me

Posted by: REDACTED at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (L/iaS)

89 75 We were just foot-soldiers. Hell, I never even rat-fucked the MREs.
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (YHze/)

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lol

Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.

My friends died for this?

Sure as hell wasn't freedom.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)

Yes, but 11 year old drag queens can perform at gay bars. That's freedom.

/s

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (7HtZB)

90 53 Where are you getting this idea that the judge is on Flynn's side? He threatened Flynn with jailtime even though the plea called for none. 

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (PbpT7)

That's the thing. I don't think the judge is any more pleased with Flynn than with the prosecution. He sees a defense case that implies the government set Flynn up, but is pleading guilty in the face of exculpatory evidence. Then severely criticizes Flynn, only to walk it back after a meeting with the prosecutors.

Is it just opposite day around here? Forget Sullivan's political leanings, I'm wondering if he's as confused as I am.

Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (yBq7A)

91 Eeeh...there is a lot of Q level reality twisting to make this look like a swipe at mueller.

Posted by: Phil x at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (PtVrf)

92 I admit it-- I am lost on this.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (XROPS)

93 "the media will be the first to be dragged to the slaughter. "

Won't happen. Because conservatives won't shoot first.

Frog slowly boiling on the stove. That's our fate.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (6S+Rb)

94 Well, never thought I'd have a ring side seat the the final internment of the Rule of Law in this country.
Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (qC1Sy)

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That happened a while ago. The law courts are set up to protect the State and its interests, and they do. Bigly. It's all pretty predictable at this point. It's their field, their ball, their scoreboard, their refs, and their announcers.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (AzW6q)

95 I'm confused and disgusted.

Meanwhile, Comey, Stroyk, Hillary, Page, and every criminal in the Obama administration are free as birds with not a worry.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (ptqGC)

96 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)
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Some of us are ashamed that we did.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)

no, no NO

never be ashamed for your service. We didn't serve for the idiots in power at the current time, and we didn't serve for temporary glory.

We served the idea of America, to defend her basic freedoms and honest truths. Ours was to ensure this nation and the ideals that created her will endure. And she will live on in some form or another in perpetuity.

So never be ashamed of what we did or for our service.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (8D42x)

97 What's the judge's opinion on Bowe Bergdahl?

Posted by: NCKate at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (dMTwl)

98
It is a very strange outcome for a simple plea bargain.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (/tuJf)


It's a very strange outcome for ANY trial. Kafka-esque, man. F*ckin Kafka-esque

Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (9HuGt)

99
That's one way to look at it:

Flynn was pleading guilty to all kinds of serious shit (to make Trump look bad ), but, in cooperation with the Mueller, the prosecution agreed to let him off easy.

In other words, just like Cohen, in which Cohen admitted guilt in all kinds of federal election violations (to make Trump look bad) but Mueller's prosecution team agreed to only go after Cohen on a few other things.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (kyzbF)

100 when do the presidential pardons start?

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (d7Ww2)

101 I sentence you to life in Twitter.

Posted by: wth at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (HgMAr)

102 Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.

My friends died for this?

Sure as hell wasn't freedom.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)

Hear you...

I sometimes feel like I was let down by my fellow citizens.

While I was off protecting them against foreign enemies, they allowed Domestic ones to screw this country up.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (NgKpN)

103 This is like fucking Rashomon Everyone on here getting totally different impressions of whats going on

Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (llxrS)

104 And yet Hillary walks free as a bird. Not even charged with a damn thing.

Posted by: dingbat at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (Flqhs)

105 Not a lawyer here.


So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.


Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be taken off the case.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (ymnmz)

106 "This tired old woman we almost elected queen,
it was the end of the innocence."

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 01:17 PM (trpsZ)

107 We served the idea of America, to defend her basic freedoms and honest truths. Ours was to ensure this nation and the ideals that created her will endure. And she will live on in some form or another in perpetuity.

---

Freedom? Honesty?

LOL

Right.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:17 PM (XGA3u)

108 never be ashamed for your service. We didn't serve
for the idiots in power at the current time, and we didn't serve for
temporary glory.



We served the idea of America, to defend her basic freedoms and
honest truths. Ours was to ensure this nation and the ideals that
created her will endure. And she will live on in some form or another in
perpetuity.



So never be ashamed of what we did or for our service.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (8D42x)


THIS. However, this country doesn't deserve the sacrifices of its sons and daughters.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 01:17 PM (ptqGC)

109 Well - I love a good prediction and a good conspiracy as much as anybody and more than most. But I have no idea on this one.

I do know this. Sullivan, Flynn, the FBI, Mueller, Lawyers ? I ain't seeing any obvious good-guys here.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (axaxF)

110 Ace - Fox reported the judge recanted those remarks about treason when they came back from the recess.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (so+oy)

111 Did Sullivan get death threats from the Clinton Foundation over night after demanding Comey provide the original 302 notes?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (Evws/)

112 >>>He also asked Flynn over and over if he wanted to pull his guilty plea and if he wanted to delay sentencing. It sounded like he was trying to goad him into it.

He was. There is a reason that the judge forced disclosure of the doctored 302's last night, he was telegraphing his intentions for today. Flynn and his attorneys fucked it up.

He could be free of this charge while his persecutors could be in deep shit. And he rolled over and showed his belly like a submissive dog until finally agreeing to delay sentencing.

I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge, who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to be rolled.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (GdJ+p)

113 62 I'm sure there were death threats to his entire family tree.

This stinks to high heaven.
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (F4u7C)

I agree. Either that, or somebody showed same special pics to the Judge that just might get on the Internet if he doesn't get on board.

Posted by: TXMarko at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (juL44)

114 Schlichters right. Buy guns and ammo.

This is maddening.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (ZfRYq)

115 oops.. Ace included the "clarification".. never mind

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (so+oy)

116 The reason this is so murky is that the press is spinning/lying about the story to make it look better for their political party.

Don't believe what the press states.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (DodRu)

117 So....what does Mueller have on the judge? This is an absolute disgrace.
Posted by: deplorably bonnie blue at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (D5b2h)

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Probably nothing.

Most judges - the vast majority at the federal level in particular - are the hardest line statists you'll find. They back the state in virtually all things. They may rule against the state in small matters to preserve the veneer of impartiality, but when the chips are down, the high priests of the state will do their duty for their god.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (AzW6q)

118 So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.


Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be taken off the case.

------------

So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a denial of due process?

Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)

119 Just have to wonder where our "global warming tax" line in the sand will finally materialize.

Going to be a shame if the French, the freaking French, are willing to get pissed and do something while we sit back and passively acquiesce to our own destruction.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (37IEG)

120 It doesn't matter what he said after the recess,that will be a footnote on page 87.He gave them the blaring headline that they already are using.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (BXMxN)

121 102 Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.

My friends died for this?

Sure as hell wasn't freedom.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)

They sacrificed themselves for the cause of freedom.

Hope is not yet lost, but this is our darkest hour.

If we are able to hold back the tide, and preserve liberty with so much arrayed against us, future generations will call it our finest.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (J+mig)

122
"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan
said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that
if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."



He went on:



"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (PbpT7

====

This is what's killing me. wtaf?


What part of our country got "sold out," and what did Flynn supposedly get in exchange?


What "disgust" and "disdain" are warranted for Flynn's conversations with Kislyak?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (oGNNA)

123

What difference, at this point, does it make?!/1!??!1?!1!??

~CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE,,~COUGH,,COUGH-COUGH-COUGH-COUGH,, cough, cough-cough~

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (GEhPL)

124 The judge delayed this so he can suss this clusterfuck out. He know that Mueller isn't coming across with the truth.

Mueller has told Flynn plead guilty and your son walks.

got to be the reason

Posted by: REDACTED at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (L/iaS)

125 104 And yet Hillary walks free as a bird. Not even charged with a damn thing.
Posted by: dingbat at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (Flqhs)
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This is the one that sticks in my craw the most. Hillary committed crimes in the open, used our military to start a war in Lebanon and depose Khadafy because he wouldn't play ball and now we get Flynn being rectal probed by our government for 2 years for "lying" to the FBI.

/spit.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (qC1Sy)

126 Trust Judge Sullivan
Trust Sessions (uh, I mean Whitaker)
Trust the Process (Fultz will come!)
Trust leftover shrimp from that party three days ago

Posted by: Q Anon


I trust gas station sushi more.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (xzezz)

127 I wonder if that same standard applies to high-ranking senior officials of the Department of Justice making false statements to the FISA Court?
________________

That's different! We knew we were lying to the FISA court, and we knew it was a serious crime, but we didn't give a shit, because we knew there would never be any consequences for us!

Posted by: Deep State Conspirators at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (fqUgw)

128 The goal and purpose of all this is to send the unequivocal message to anyone like Gen. Flynn that no matter how long and how faithfully you may have served your country, if you do anything to cross The Cathedral you (and your family) are fair game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Flynn filed a retroactive FARA declaration because he was doing work for Turkey. Ostensibly a NATO ally. For that, this judge is floating the accusation of treason.

And in declaring Flynn's guilt, Mueller's filing makes the pro-forma statement about how Flynn's statements impeded a federal investigation, which is a lie and everyone knows it's a lie. There was no substantive, underlying investigation. The feds had the recordings of Flynn's conversations before they asked the questions.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (oNFAg)

129 118 So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.


Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be taken off the case.

------------

So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a denial of due process?

Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)


== == == ==
Yep. He's also telling the SC that if they continue this charade he'll destroy any value it has to them.

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (Mq6Af)

130 98 It's a very strange outcome for ANY trial. Kafka-esque, man. F*ckin Kafka-esque

which of the players wakes up in the morning to find himself transformed into a giant cockroach?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (xGZ+b)

131 so.. kinda willowed..

if Mueller is shut down by March, does Flynn go free from all the hidden charges Mueller has hanging over him?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (so+oy)

132 it could be, you know, it could be that the judge is just a dim-witted hack who can't even follow His Master's Voice and read the script properly


that and some Other Stuff. Treason, attempted coup.....Other Stuff

Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (9HuGt)

133 (100) I think that eventuality is what fuels the delays. Or something.
When it is over, then what? Drag it all on thru the next Prez election. That's the point.

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (RuIsu)

134 That judge had previously been appointed by both Reagan and Bush 1 to the superior Court of D.C. and the Court of Appeals D.C.

Posted by: No at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (TXqUQ)

135 After sentencing, Flynn would have been free to vent his spleen and tell them all how he really feels. He could go on to expose the FBI corruption that resulted in his conviction. He could write a book, etc.

Not any more. He stays on Mueller's leash.

Posted by: tommylotto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (dYinJ)

136 Meanwhile we can't even appoint a judge who will reliably stop us paying to chop up babies.

But any one of theirs would put any one of us through a show tribunal for wrongthink that would end in death.

Book it

Posted by: ... at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (fJD5I)

137 The only thing that makes sense to me is that Sharyl Atkisson said that Gen. Flynn was hired to root out the illegal surveillers in the IC so that's why they went after him first.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (kD8Fh)

138 This is a despicable coup.
May it fail.
I swear our nation is shot through with odious corruption. This is the "fundamental change" Obama boasted of.
Is this is what we truly are, may God have mercy on us.

Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (w7KSn)

139 112 >>>He also asked Flynn over and over if he wanted to pull his guilty plea and if he wanted to delay sentencing. It sounded like he was trying to goad him into it.

This is likely what happened.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (oNFAg)

140
By all measures, it obviously appears that the judge inserted himself into the role of Prosecutor.

And the judge CONTINUED the prosecutorial role against the defendant, even though this was the sentencing phase of the trial.

This judge is a Shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (kyzbF)

141
105 Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason

not sure whether typo or whether \nn/

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (NmR1a)

142 So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a denial of due process?

Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)


== == == ==
Yep. He's also telling the SC that if they continue this charade he'll destroy any value it has to them.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (Mq6Af)

-----------

Obviously, we could be wrong here, but it seems like Judge Sullivan is the only one trying to get at the truth here.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (sX1BW)

143 118
So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face
of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really
believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.





Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with
regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might
indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be
taken off the case.



------------



So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he
wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a
denial of due process?



Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)

Is that what happened? It seems to me that the judge accused him of being a traitor and threatened him with harsher treatment than the plea deal, and then Mueller said, hold on a second are you bug fuck nuts? After that they implied that maybe the sentencing would be different if he cooperated more?

Are we reading the same stuff. Cause I think your reading comprehension is up there with the judge that Mueller scolded.
But hey I'm not a lawyer.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (ymnmz)

144 This is a despicable coup.
May it fail.
I swear our nation is shot through with odious corruption. This is the "fundamental change" Obama boasted of.
Is this is what we truly are, may God have mercy on us.
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (w7KSn)


Sad, but true.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (F4u7C)

145
Something got under this judge's bonnet.

And I'm wondering if it was Rush Limbaugh going on and on about this judge's unusually correct behavior in the Stevens case.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (kyzbF)

146 Just another bit of the multi-act production of The Aristocrats.

The government is lawless, judges are lawless and there ain't nothing we can do about any of this.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (qxq6t)

147 So...what exactly will Flynn now be able to offer Bob Mullah? Is he just going to make shit up?


The thing is with making shit up, there can be contradictory evidence to your lies.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (kD8Fh)

148 I'd like to think that the judge here is threatening to make Mueller's plea offers useless in the future, but I'm not holding my breath given the massive amount of lawlessness that appears to have gone unanswered on the FBI and DOJ's part.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (eAshZ)

149 Years ago, while in the Army, I competed a tour in Turkey. I was reassigned back to the States.
A few months later, a very sharp young captain came to work for me. CPT Flynn.
I wonder how long before Meuller's goons come a knocking???

Kidding aside, as this isn't a laughing matter, I have said it before here, I know of no finer man, no better officer than Mike Flynn. I don't know what happened over the years as we haven't stayed in touch very much, but I will never believe he would put the interests of a foreign nation ahead of America. I just cannot believe that.


Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (0tfLf)

150 The worst thing about this is that Cankles the Clown is cackling her ass off somewhere.

She conjured this all out of whole cloth and the entire US government sprang into action to do her bidding in a way it never would for the lawfully elected President Trump.

Posted by: Thatch at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (DmvGi)

151 135
After sentencing, Flynn would have been free to vent his spleen and tell
them all how he really feels. He could go on to expose the FBI
corruption that resulted in his conviction. He could write a book, etc.




Not any more. He stays on Mueller's leash.

Posted by: tommylotto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (dYinJ)


This is exactly what it looks like.

PURE AND SIMPLE.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (ymnmz)

152 By all measures, it obviously appears that the judge inserted himself into the role of Prosecutor.

And the judge CONTINUED the prosecutorial role against the defendant, even though this was the sentencing phase of the trial.

This judge is a Shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer

...............

I don't know.. Sullivan's animosity toward the prosecution in the past would make me think it is more likely he was throwing Flynn a bone here.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (so+oy)

153 > "I'm not suggesting he committed treason."

Why would a federal judge who is supposedly well versed top to bottom in the facts and law of this case even let that word come flying out of his stupid mouth in the first place?

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (oNFAg)

154 Jack, he didn't walk it ALL back. He only walked back his previous accusation of TREASON, because that had been based on incorrect premises.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (PbpT7)
****
So that is why he didn't sentence him & there is Not sentencing even set. The March 13th is a Status update

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (BqBId)

155 137 The only thing that makes sense to me is that Sharyl Atkisson said that Gen. Flynn was hired to root out the illegal surveillers in the IC so that's why they went after him first.
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (kD8Fh)

Yup, I contend that Flynn was a target in and of himself.

Him as National Sec Advisor was something the Deep State did not want.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (NgKpN)

156 Is that what happened? It seems to me that the judge accused him of being a traitor and threatened him with harsher treatment than the plea deal, and then Mueller said, hold on a second are you bug fuck nuts?

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What is he pleading guilty too? What is the crime? Why does that crime deserve no punishment?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (sX1BW)

157 Posted by: Thatch at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (DmvGi)

unfortunately this

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (kD8Fh)

158 Since it seems many have hair on fire, time to go have some lunch and then do some writing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (trpsZ)

159 Is this is what we truly are, may God have mercy on us.
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (w7KSn)

Ours is a God of redemption. Nothing is beyond Him.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (J+mig)

160 Strip everything else away...if a prosecutor walks into court with a guilty plea in hand, and walks out with with another court date 3 months hence, that prosecutor had a very, very bad day.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (cCsPW)

161 So, I'm guessing we are not entertained?

They're already partying hard in the blue enclaves.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (37IEG)

162 My guess is Mueller has Flynn's sons nuts in his fist. Can't imagine for what, but it is the only thing that will make Flynn purr like a kitty.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (2LelM)

163 Ours is a God of redemption. Nothing is beyond Him.

---

He is also a God of justice.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (XGA3u)

164 Strip everything else away...if a prosecutor walks into court with a guilty plea in hand, and walks out with with another court date 3 months hence, that prosecutor had a very, very bad day.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (cCsPW)

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Good observation.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (sX1BW)

165 Strip everything else away...if a prosecutor walks into court with a guilty plea in hand, and walks out with with another court date 3 months hence, that prosecutor had a very, very bad day.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (BqBId)

166 >>I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge, who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to be rolled.

I'm not. Flynn has been counseled by his lawyers for months to accept the deal the FBI offered that had zero prison time with it and potentially the opportunity of having the charges dismissed and he walked into the Twilight Zone today in front of a federal judge who is threatening jail and mentioning treason.

I think he did the right thing and ask for delay and regroup. The ground shifted under everyone right in the middle of the sentencing phase and I would want to take some time and think things over myself if I was him.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (/tuJf)

167 156
Is that what happened? It seems to me that the judge accused him of
being a traitor and threatened him with harsher treatment than the plea
deal, and then Mueller said, hold on a second are you bug fuck nuts?



------------



What is he pleading guilty too? What is the crime? Why does that crime deserve no punishment?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (sX1BW)

You must be a troll. No one is arguing that crimes should go unpunished.Must be hard to live in your head.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (ymnmz)

168 Suggest you all read the twitter thread at Legal insurrection from a reporter in the courtroom. Judge was doing everything he could to get Flynn to retract his plea.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (L/94n)

169
I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge,
who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to
be rolled.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (GdJ+p

=====

This is starting to look right to me. Judge: "Well if you're going to plead guilty, here's what I've got to work with. You lied to the FBI about a matter of national security. You committed a crime that could send you to a federal prison. Why should anyone go easy on this shit?"

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (oGNNA)

170 >>>>>135 After sentencing, Flynn would have been free to vent his spleen and tell them all how he really feels. He could go on to expose the FBI corruption that resulted in his conviction. He could write a book, etc.

Not any more. He stays on Mueller's leash

--------------

Yep, exactly.

Good doggie. Roll over, Flynn.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (GdJ+p)

171 He is also a God of justice.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (XGA3u)


What the bleep is He waiting for??

I ask him this all the time lately.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (kD8Fh)

172
My reading is different in what the judge is getting at, seeming to wonder why he is pleading guilty at all, although I don't have access to the secret docs he has.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (r+sAi)

173 95 I'm confused and disgusted

Meanwhile Comey, Stroyk, Hillary, Page, and every criminal in the Obama administration are free as birds with not a worry.

Posted By: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (ptqGC)
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Disgusted yes. Confused no.

Posted by: ... at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (fJD5I)

174 @152

Nope.


There was no reason for the judge to insert himself in this manner and as said above, Flynn is now still on Mueller's leash.


And you know what the person who controls the leash can do?


It can lead the person on the leash any where it wants to.


Trump needs to blow this whole fucking thing up.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (qxq6t)

175 G-d gave us all the tools we need for our redemption.

We can't ask for much more than that.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (AzW6q)

176
Flynn is going to damage the office of the presidency for his son??

Flynn is a bigger piece of shit than Mueller says, then.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (kyzbF)

177 "I'm not suggesting he committed treason."


I have it on good authority that my opponent's wife is a thespian!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (0tfLf)

178 165
Strip everything else away...if a prosecutor walks into court with a
guilty plea in hand, and walks out with with another court date 3 months
hence, that prosecutor had a very, very bad day.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (BqBId)

Bullshit. He still has Flynn on a leash and continues to whip him. Mueller has a boner.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (ymnmz)

179 Fascism from a Fascist judge.

Posted by: American at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (sFNa8)

180 I cant even read this stuff anymore. This country is fubar.

Posted by: gm at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (/LIOp)

181 You must be a troll. No one is arguing that crimes should go unpunished.Must be hard to live in your head.

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No one but you and Mueller.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (sX1BW)

182 Judge Emmet Sullivan spells his first name with one "t", ace.

I am only saying this because I don't want you to be set up by Mueller. Mis-spelling the name, isn't that a Mueller felony?

Mueller did allegedly once tell an FBI agent he fired, that the agent committed a felony by lying to him - the agent went to Harvard and claimed the school color was "red", not "crimson".


This is the level of Weaseltrash that Mueller is.

I used Weaseltrash so as not to confuse anyone with our own, ethical, Weasel.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (UsCnO)

183 Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (kyzbF)

Yeah. At least Corsi, a man much older than Flynn, and with equal to lose...has the stones to fight back.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:30 PM (kD8Fh)

184 same idea with I will send No One to prison unless a definitive violent crime. Because why should the masses pay for crime that our betters do as a matter of recourse?

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM


Prosecutors will just look into our eyes and see conservative conviction and toss us off the jury. Like we had the words 'Jury Nullification' tattooed across our knuckles.

Yeah, we'd likely run out of room for the second word. My case, anyway. Who am I to judge those with extra digits?

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 01:30 PM (jYje5)

185 In other words, we still haven't approached our Bastille.

Posted by: JEM at December 18, 2018 01:30 PM (8erNz)

186 >>Jack, he didn't walk it ALL back. He only walked back his previous accusation of TREASON, because that had been based on incorrect premises.

He gave him the opportunity to rethink his guilty plea, a plea Sullivan doesn't seem to think fits since there was no real crime.

You have to admit, the was one of the strangest plea hearings you've ever heard. Catherine Herridge says in her 20 years covering trials in DC she has never seen anything like that.

I admit it was strange but I think ultimately he gave Flynn a break today.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (/tuJf)

187 It's shitshows all the way down.

Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (bJCqW)

188 Corsi said the FIBs showed up at his son's house to shake him down about a laptop computer.

According to Corsi, the son chuckled at the g-men and said be careful, my dog smells FBI meat.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (kD8Fh)

189 >>>>>I'm not. Flynn has been counseled by his lawyers for months to accept the deal the FBI offered that had zero prison time with it and potentially the opportunity of having the charges dismissed and he walked into the Twilight Zone today in front of a federal judge who is threatening jail and mentioning treason.

I think he did the right thing and ask for delay and regroup. The ground shifted under everyone right in the middle of the sentencing phase and I would want to take some time and think things over myself if I was him.

-------------------------
I would agree if the judge hadn't been so adamant in his goading Flynn to drop the plea, particularly after the pre-sentencing memo that Flynn's team submitted. The underlying message of that was "I was set up and they committed serious misconduct in prosecuting me." Why submit that if you are just going to roll over.

Yes, the ground shifted, but it shifted because of Flynn. The judge was itching to throw this shit out and ream Mueller's thugs a new one.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (GdJ+p)

190 Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (cCsPW)

This is very true. All pleas follow a form. If it does not go down according to the form then the prosecutor screwed something up somewhere.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (hLRSq)

191 My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (7HtZB)

192 121
If we are able to hold back the tide, and preserve liberty with so much arrayed against us, future generations will call it our finest.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (J+mig)


Don't mean to be a downer, but Britain went socialist less than a decade after Churchill said the same thing.

Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (xjiRE)

193 Unfortunately the MFM eats this up and will cherry pick the best parts and make the headlines. Good for the Democrats, they will never let this rest. All the "lawyers" on CNN etc, will hype this to the hilt.

Posted by: Colin at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (e06xK)

194 @186

Umm, a break?


To be at the mercy of Mueller and his bully boys for anther three months?

To have to retain incredibly expensive legal counsel for three more months?


Ridiculous.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (qxq6t)

195
I admit it was strange but I think ultimately he gave Flynn a break today.

A break?

Christ Almighty.

The judge could've blew up Mueller today. Instead, the bullshit continues.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (kyzbF)

196 Senile coot Sullivan needs to be impeached.

Posted by: gm at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (/LIOp)

197 191 My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (7HtZB)


I would but I gots a blood sugar problem,

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (kD8Fh)

198 This is starting to look right to me. Judge: "Well
if you're going to plead guilty, here's what I've got to work with. You
lied to the FBI about a matter of national security. You committed a
crime that could send you to a federal prison. Why should anyone go easy
on this shit?"


Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (oGNNA)
I wish it was this, but every time we convince ourselves someone is playing 4 dimensional Vulcan chess with Mueller we end up later with our hair on fire as it turns out to be tic-tac-toe with Mueller/Dems/Deep State going first.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (37IEG)

199 Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (ymnmz)
+++++
Wrong DOLT!! Flynn has a NDA on him as long as he is not sentenced & sent to jail. He can't talk about anything he has seen

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (BqBId)

200 181
You must be a troll. No one is arguing that crimes should go unpunished.Must be hard to live in your head.



-----------



No one but you and Mueller.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (sX1BW)

Hillary's FOIA'd and wiped server begs to disagree.
You are still a troll and a plea deal is part of the legal process, whether you like it or not. Are you suggesting Mueller went soft on Flynn?

LOL

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (ymnmz)

201 Remember the scene in "Dark Knight Rises" where the criminals set up their own court? That scene keeps coming to mind, again and again.

Posted by: Gonads and Strife at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (smXDp)

202 We are Americans.

Failure is not an option.

It was not an option when King George attempted to reduce the colonies to de-facto slavery.

It was not an option through the hellish winter at Valley Forge.

It was not an option when the Democrats seceded

It was not an option when the Japanese torpedoed the Pacific Fleet.

It was not an option when the Soviets got the bomb.

Here, with our backs to the wall, I say the same.

Failure is not an option. The line must be drawn here.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (J+mig)

203 This judge seems to be operating with 10% of the information that all of the rest of us have.

Shouldn't there have been at least some mention of the underhanded tactics of the persecution?

Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (3cq8T)

204
If this judge was stand-up, he would've dismissed the case.

He gave no break to Flynn today. This judge is a Shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (kyzbF)

205 Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but Kurt Schlichter had a pretty good rant at Townhall.


https://tinyurl.com/y8js4an5

Posted by: Timon at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (dKm4U)

206 Ugh, wish I'd bought judges back when the Clintons did. The prices weren't cheap but they value you get and the way they appreciate really makes them good investments.

So impracticable to buy now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (xJa6I)

207 Grade A shitshow.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)

A lower grade shitshow would be akin to an Amy Schumer nude pole dance.

Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (9rXxD)

208 166 >>I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge, who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to be rolled.

I'm not. Flynn has been counseled by his lawyers for months to accept the deal the FBI offered that had zero prison time with it and potentially the opportunity of having the charges dismissed and he walked into the Twilight Zone today in front of a federal judge who is threatening jail and mentioning treason.

I think he did the right thing and ask for delay and regroup. The ground shifted under everyone right in the middle of the sentencing phase and I would want to take some time and think things over myself if I was him.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (/tuJf)


== == == ==
I think (and hope!) this was the Judge's way of slapping Flynn in the face and saying "Snap outta it!".

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (Mq6Af)

209 I also disagree with Ace. The judge stated that he wouldn't sentence anyone who maintained their innocence, and asked Flynn multiple times if he wanted to challenge the circumstances.

I think the judge was pointing out the absurdity of the circumstances; that according to the special counsel he lied to FBI agents, lied about being misled, worked as a foreign agent, and may have committed treason and Logan Act violations...

...but because he plead guilty to lying and the Special Counsel recommended no time, he should serve no time while he testifies against others for crimes he's theoretically implicated in.

The judge is saying that he can't get off easy (specifically references Petraeus) by cooperating, either he's a criminal who deserves jail time or he's been railroaded.

Posted by: GrapeDrink at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (prRje)

210 libertyandjusticeforall
@Mark923to25
It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks; @GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed, he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)

211 198: I agree. For a year we were lectured on the 4D chess strategies of Sessions and Rosenstein, and that turned out to be crap.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (U7k5w)

212 Hillary's FOIA'd and wiped server begs to disagree.
You are still a troll and a plea deal is part of the legal process, whether you like it or not. Are you suggesting Mueller went soft on Flynn?

----------

What does Hillary have to do with anything I have said?

And where did I say Mueller went soft on Flynn?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (sX1BW)

213 With a 3-month delay, this will be coming back to court as the 2020 presidential campaign is starting to form up. It won't be going in earnest by any means, but the players will be starting to emerge. Whatever happens then (and G-d forbid another delay), it will be during a time with implications to some degree for 2020.

If this judge is indeed on the deep state side of the house, this might be a factor. I see this (not a lawyer, not even a good amateur legal mind) as more ambiguous than "the judge is a bad guy" but the timing is potentially a cause for nervousness.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (I2dne)

214 Some of us are ashamed that we did.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)



BS to that, we are still a Republic and you are one of the keepers of the flame, hold your head up high.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (otLn5)

215
From what I recall at the time Flynn was first fired, he was fired because he 'lied' to Pence. At the time I recall things were rather 'fluid' in the WH and other executive agencies: how far to push any narrative either for or against PDJT's election. Maybe the swampers decided to go with 'lying' to FBI rather than Pence.

Pence had one freebie as a power player and he wasted it on Flynn (according to the insider scoops) because Flynn wasn't a team player somehow. I have no brief for Flynn, a swampy creature at best, but the whole thing still reeks.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (MIKMs)

216
Unfortunately the MFM eats this up and will cherry
pick the best parts and make the headlines. Good for the Democrats, they
will never let this rest. All the "lawyers" on CNN etc, will hype this
to the hilt.


Posted by: Colin at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (e06x

====

I have the feeling the worm will turn once more on this, and the MFM will hide this to the hilt.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (oGNNA)

217 If this judge was stand-up, he would've dismissed the case.

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Really??? The matter before him today was a plea deal. How does a judge dismiss a plea deal.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (8XRCm)

218 "Catherine Herridge says in her 20 years covering trials in DC she has never seen anything like that."

I saw four years of plea hearings and never heard of anything like this.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (hLRSq)

219 We can haz burning times now?

Posted by: Roland THTG Kinetic Activist North Central Division at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (88+cf)

220 Confess and you may receive a quick death.
Deny and you must be purified by pain.
Do you confess?
Then on the morrow you shall receive your purification.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (uGHnY)

221 So impracticable to buy now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (xJa6I)

-------

They don't need to be bought. They're honest-to-goodness statists, and can be relied upon without payment of any kind.

They're not Bill Kristol. They're George Soros.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (AzW6q)

222 he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)


what does this mean? How does any NDA prevent exposing criminal activity? I thought it was about privacy issues, proprietary assets, etc.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (kD8Fh)

223 It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks; @GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed, he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)

How can the Federal Government write an NDA that says you can't talk to the Federal Government?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (NgKpN)

224 How does a judge dismiss a plea deal.

----------

When he knows something is amiss.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (sX1BW)

225 Flynn is an idiot - what he should have done was attack a US senator... you only get 30 days for that.

Posted by: reality man at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (xOBRH)

226
Add all this on top of we now two Liberal senators from AZ.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (r+sAi)

227 It's time for PDT to step in and pardon everyone in this f****** witchhunt. There will be no semblance of justice left if this shit continues.

Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (bJCqW)

228 You can't sign an NDA to prevent disclosing criminal acts. Contracts 101

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (xfb67)

229
Oh today was a sentence hearing?

Okay, then, where's the sentence??

This judge is a donkey. He's playing games.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (kyzbF)

230

1. POTUS Pardons
2. Judge Recalled by ballot, found in bed with dead sheep, converts to Islam and moves to Islamic madras in Turkey where he develops a Fatwah practice, issuing death sentences for gay commoners and bad authors.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (rr4fE)

231 Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (J+mig)

---

Nice sentiment, would almost agree except for one little thing...

We now have about half of the American population dumbed down and fat, with our millennial generation having to be schooled on how to be an adult.

Not exactly a recipe for success.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (XGA3u)

232 210
libertyandjusticeforall

@Mark923to25

It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks;
@GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or
other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed,
he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)

This is interesting. So the judge was doing Mueller a favor by trying to get Flynn to withdraw his guilty pleas and was threatening him with treason so that he could keep get Flynn to withdraw and ultimately keeping Flynns mouth shut........ oh shit I give up.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (ymnmz)

233

It's hilarious to see some of you say the judge did Flynn a favor today.

What a joke.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (kyzbF)

234 How does a judge dismiss a plea deal.

----------

When he knows something is amiss.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (sX1BW)

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No. Because if judges start altering plea deals, nobody will make plea deals.

He knew something was amiss. He was trying to get Flynn to not do the deal.

Flynn wlaked out with 90 days to "think it over".

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (8XRCm)

235 So the the deal Flynn agreed to was NO jail time if he pled guilty to lying? And the judge was all:

"um...I don't think that's a good deal for you General Flynn? Come back in 3 months."

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (kD8Fh)

236 That was a shot at Meuller.

"I can make your shitty plea deals worthless and NOBODY will take your shitty plea deals any longer."

Interesting take. I'm reminded of the Murry-Gellman Amnesia Effect. We know firsthand how media distorts, even inadvertently, events we have direct experience with. And yet we're taking Twitter as gospel.

The transcript could ring a different tone in person where things like context, tone, sarcasm etc are in full play.

Wait and see I guess. But it still reeks of the Judge motivating Flynn to make false statements to escape harsher sentencing. That's not how I was raised to administer "justice"

Surprised they dont have blank affadivits already prepared

I, ________, do solemnly swear to avoid prison by fingering Orange Man for acts of ____________ occurring on or about _________, to include any other crimes the Grand Global Marxist Commisar chooses to list in Appendix A.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (6S+Rb)

237
every time we convince ourselves someone is playing 4
dimensional Vulcan chess with Mueller we end up later with our hair on
fire as it turns out to be tic-tac-toe with Mueller/Dems/Deep State
going first.


Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (37IE

====

I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court. All of you make me sick."

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (oGNNA)

238 It's time for PDT to step in and pardon everyone in this f****** witchhunt. There will be no semblance of justice left if this shit continues.
Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (bJCqW)

----------------

I could see PDT doing this, after sentencing is completed. Not before.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (ffYR/)

239 212
Hillary's FOIA'd and wiped server begs to disagree.

You are still a troll and a plea deal is part of the legal process,
whether you like it or not. Are you suggesting Mueller went soft on
Flynn?



----------



What does Hillary have to do with anything I have said?



And where did I say Mueller went soft on Flynn?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (sX1BW)

lol

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (ymnmz)

240 "18 >>>I can't imagine why a Mueller fan would expend this much energy on calling attention to the 302s.

Because he was looking for MOAR EVIDENCE against Flynn.

And because he wanted to bring up this idea that if Flynn complains about FBI tactics, then he's not really accepting responsibility, and can be thrown in jail.

he wants to throw him in jail and is looking for any reason to do so."

I'm calling "racism" as well as "totalitarianism." The judge is black. Lt. Gen. Flynn offended black Jesus.

Reason 12,211,444 to nullify federal cases and do everything possible to prevent your children from serving in the military or any civilian branch of this corrupt occupation government that has started to put the USSR to shame.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (iw59Q)

241 Suggest you all read the twitter thread at Legal insurrection from a reporter in the courtroom. Judge was doing everything he could to get Flynn to retract his plea.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (L/94n)

Jen- And then have him go to trial? Or could the judge do something else in the meantime?


And I don't understand why it was so egregious that Flynn's lawyers pointed out the malfeasance in the initial interviews. If the judge think thats irrelevant, he could ignore it. It almost sounds like he was trying to punish Flynn for his lawyers raising those facts.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (XROPS)

242 Soap Box
Ballot Box

Running out of boxes......

Posted by: Roland THTG Kinetic Activist North Central Division at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (88+cf)

243 POTUS_Schedule @POTUS_Schedule
Tuesday, 18 December 2018
POTUS has sent a letter to the Speaker of the House extending the National Emergency declared in Executive Order 13818 of December 20, 2017
*****
Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human
Rights Abuse or Corruption
++++
HMMMMMMMMMMM????

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (BqBId)

244 >>I think (and hope!) this was the Judge's way of slapping Flynn in the face and saying "Snap outta it!".

That and maybe "Trust me, I know what happened".

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (/tuJf)

245
So the the deal Flynn agreed to was NO jail time if he pled guilty to lying? And the judge was all:

"um...I don't think that's a good deal for you General Flynn? Come back in 3 months."

Posted by: kallisto



Yeah.

Makes perfect sense!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (kyzbF)

246 Judge cannot throw it out with a guilty plea... so needs him to change his plea? This is a weird reversal to the usual to entice someone to plead guilty.

Posted by: TonicDog at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (teKzb)

247 I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court. All of you make me sick."
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (oGNNA)


Maybe this. A pox on all your houses.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (XROPS)

248 @234

Well attorney client privledge was blown up to get Trump, why stop there.


Let's blow up plea deals.


Hell Mueller and his bully boys should go bring Melania in for questioning.


If we are going to shred the constitution let's fucking shred the constitution bigly!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (qxq6t)

249 It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks;
@GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or
other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed,
he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)

This is interesting. So the judge was doing Mueller a favor by trying to get Flynn to withdraw his guilty pleas and was threatening him with treason so that he could keep get Flynn to withdraw and ultimately keeping Flynns mouth shut........ oh shit I give up.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (ymnmz)

I don't buy it. Mueller still works for the DOJ, and thus the President.

How can he write an NDA that say Flynn can't talk to the DOJ? or the President? or the DOJ IG?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (NgKpN)

250 Since running a plea agreement sentencing is as simple as it comes, why did the prosecutor screw this one up?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (hLRSq)

251 Just tell the truth...you are being forced to plead guilty.

Posted by: TonicDog at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (teKzb)

252 And speaking of judges . . .

The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit

-
That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the students.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)

253 Yeah.

Makes perfect sense!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (kyzbF)


It does make sense when you read comment 246

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (kD8Fh)

254 "214BS to that, we are still a Republic and you are one of the keepers of the flame, hold your head up high.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (otLn5)"
...
The problem here is centered on the definition of "we". There is a "we" that includes you and I and most here, but I'm not even sure that constitutes a majority of those living within CONUS. And it certainly doesn't seem to encompass the actual government.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (eAshZ)

255 >>>>The judge could've blew up Mueller today. Instead, the bullshit continues.

Exactly. Flynn had the grenade that would have blown the whole "muh Russia" investigation to kingdom come. The judge indicated he was quite willing to pull the pin. And Flynn refused to hand him the grenade.

I no longer feel any sympathy for him being on Mueller's leash. When you have the judge on your side and begging you to drop the plea because he knows you were set up, you take it. You don't fucking insult the judge by insisting on continuing the charade, especially after you submit a sentencing memo that laid out why it was a setup in the first place. I don't blame Sullivan for being pissed.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (GdJ+p)

256

The judge: Flynn, either you request a delay in this farce or I will sentence you jail time, and it will be a long jail time.


Right? That's what the judge said and did.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (kyzbF)

257 March is a status meeting not a sentencing hearing. It is indefinite.

Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (ZfRYq)

258 Wouldn't it be great if someone on the side of justice started digging into this judge's personal life?

If he's not dirty, I'm the Pope.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (xJa6I)

259 Don't worry, the judge pointed to the N in Flynn's name, and then held up three fingers. Three letters from N is Q. The judge is following the plan.

Posted by: Q Anon at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (J70i0)

260 "Flynn is an idiot - what he should have done was attack a US senator... you only get 30 days for that."

Hold my beer.

You can crack open skulls with a bicycle lock and get 3 years probation.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (6S+Rb)

261 Maybe the Judge is appalled at the hostage taking that Mueller has indulged in? Three months puts the onus on Mueller and his crew of Hillary foot warmers. Maybe.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (2LelM)

262 251
Since running a plea agreement sentencing is as simple as it comes, why did the prosecutor screw this one up?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (hLRSq)


I'll bite. To make Flynn think it was almost over then reel him back in and beat him with the rubber hose some more?That's the Occam's Razor of this.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (ymnmz)

263 >>Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.

Anyone who still thinks this has anything to do with Trump is even more deluded.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (/tuJf)

264 253 Which is why I can't stand this "first responders heroes" bullshit.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (BXMxN)

265 260: Ha! And Stealthjeff is working on the matter, crossing Ts in silence as he sharpens his ax on Wednesdays

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (U7k5w)

266 Or maybe I'm just vent-y today.

Bleh. Screwed up at work yesterday and it's making me cranky.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (xJa6I)

267 Bongino is fun today.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (+BKF+)

268 "Most judges - the vast majority at the federal level in particular - are the hardest line statists you'll find. They back the state in virtually all things. They may rule against the state in small matters to preserve the veneer of impartiality, but when the chips are down, the high priests of the state will do their duty for their god."

This and I know it from personal experience. Our judge sided with DNR on every single thing they wanted, even when it made no sense.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (JKNZq)

269 i can't crack this code.

Posted by: concrete girl at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (LG/rj)

270 "I've never sentenced someone for a crime who wasn't guilty... I don't want to start now."

Is that an accurate quote?

Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (3cq8T)

271 Out before the trolls have a field day.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (BXMxN)

272 149
Years ago, while in the Army, I competed a tour in Turkey. I was reassigned back to the States.

A few months later, a very sharp young captain came to work for me. CPT Flynn.

I wonder how long before Meuller's goons come a knocking???



Kidding aside, as this isn't a laughing matter, I have said it
before here, I know of no finer man, no better officer than Mike Flynn. I
don't know what happened over the years as we haven't stayed in touch
very much, but I will never believe he would put the interests of a
foreign nation ahead of America. I just cannot believe that.







Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (0tfLf)

So this makes us all ONE degree of separation from General Flynn.

Hanging around ace's place is pretty cool!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (UsCnO)

273 To make Flynn think it was almost over then reel him back in and beat him with the rubber hose some more?That's the Occam's Razor of this.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (ymnmz)

-----

Id buy that.

Except for the 302. Meullers teams was FORCED to provide the 302. Judge reads the 302 and goes "wait just a goddamned cotton pickin minute. NOBODY thought you were lying??? Then why you pleading to lying in my court??"

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (8XRCm)

274 258 March is a status meeting not a sentencing hearing. It is indefinite.

Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (ZfRYq)

This was continued at Flynn's request.

So does he then get to set the schedule? Can he go to the court next week and say, we dropped the plea agreement, and would like a court date?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (NgKpN)

275 "264 >>Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.

Anyone who still thinks this has anything to do with Trump is even more deluded."

I must be quite delusional. This seems solely about Trump. And Flynn dissin' Chocolate Jesus (hope that last part is wrong but no longer have any faith in any of this BS).

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (iw59Q)

276 Flynn does not have my sympathy. Not anymore. Trump either.

Posted by: nip at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (DfGpI)

277 I don't see where the judge was offering to throw out the case if Flynn would just take back his plea. The judge could do that on his own. Judges can do anything they want in their courtroom.

He told Flynn he was disgusted by him. Flynn wanted the case over. The judge took it from him, gave him Mueller as overseer for indefinite period.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (ZfRYq)

278 Oh. My bad. I get it now:

2 + 2 = Fish

Dont know how I missed that. Sorry. This is going to be like when the banks sold synthetic CDOs and we bailed them out for ripping us off.

Rope just shot up 150.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (6S+Rb)

279

The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit



Have You Ever Seen A Better Argument For the Second Amendment?

Add that with what Mueller is doing...

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (kyzbF)

280 Posted by: Steven Hays
Is your misspelling of a WS writer meant to be clever according to some pretzel logic of your own, or are you merely an imbecile?

Go suck-start Winona, and by Winona I mean John Crichton's pulse pistol.

Posted by: Sporkatus at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (HtLSE)

281 Except for the 302. Meullers teams was FORCED to provide the 302. Judge reads the 302 and goes "wait just a goddamned cotton pickin minute. NOBODY thought you were lying??? Then why you pleading to lying in my court??"
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (8XRCm)

Judge apparently got those THIS MORNING.

Question is, did the Defense have them? if so it seems they could have given them to the Judge.

ergo, I don't think the defense had this major piece of evidence... which is VERY troubling.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (NgKpN)

282 253
And speaking of judges . . .



The Hill

@thehill

Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit



-

That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide
employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the
students.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)

This goes back to the earlier SCOTUS rulings on Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to protect us.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (jxbfJ)

283 Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (U7k5w)
******
You & Kreplach ought to start a law firm

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (BqBId)

284 XI DEFENDS COMMUNISM...
Christians 'Standing in the Way' of Totalitarian Rule...

-
Damn Christians! Always standing in the way of justice!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (+y/Ru)

285 Can anyone tell the difference between the FBI and ISIS?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (2LelM)

286 I must be quite delusional. This seems solely about Trump. And Flynn dissin' Chocolate Jesus (hope that last part is wrong but no longer have any faith in any of this BS).
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (iw59Q)

Flynn was known as a straight shooter.

NOT someone the deep state wanted as National Security Advisor.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (NgKpN)

287
Id buy that.



Except for the 302. Meullers teams was FORCED to provide the 302.
Judge reads the 302 and goes "wait just a goddamned cotton pickin
minute. NOBODY thought you were lying??? Then why you pleading to
lying in my court??"

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (8XRCm)


Forced or "forced". I get it, Mueller was probably actually forced to cough them up, but I don't see how having anther 3 months to boot on neck Flynn is not a victory for Mueller. He doesn't care about legit convictions, the process is the punishment.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (ymnmz)

288 286: YAWN

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:52 PM (U7k5w)

289 >>I must be quite delusional. This seems solely about Trump. And Flynn dissin' Chocolate Jesus (hope that last part is wrong but no longer have any faith in any of this BS).

What does Trump have to do with any potential lies Flynn might have said to the FBI or a FARA case he wasn't involved with?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:52 PM (/tuJf)

290
Synchronicity: this morning Insty published a link to someone who disagrees with his 'Ham Sandwich Nation' essays. There is no such thing as prosecutorial abuse and those who think that are ignorant. Reynolds is very tolerant and really likes honest and educated debate, so the whole Mullerwaffen strafing of political disagreements is pretty ironic today.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 18, 2018 01:53 PM (MIKMs)

291 Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:52 PM (U7k5w)
****
Maybe you are one & the same, Schizo Much ?

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:53 PM (BqBId)

292 A lower grade shitshow would be akin to an Amy Schumer nude pole dance.

Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM



Dude...some of us are eating lunch, here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 01:53 PM (p+Wdc)

293 "I've never taken a guilty plea from someone who is not guilty, and I don't intend to now."



- Judge Emmet Sullivan, during today's Flynn sentencing.


Now that there is some real, HTG, tea leaves.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (UsCnO)

294 @253 And speaking of judges . . .

The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit

-
That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the students.
----------------------

This isn't really new. The decision is recent, but the doctrine espoused isn't. It's based off of a US Supreme Court decision from several years back that ruled that the police are not required to keep innocent civilians alive and/or unharmed.

While I don't like the implications of this, I suspect that the reason for it is pretty straightforward. Otherwise the cops could be sued for all sorts of stuff that happened that was arguably not under their control, such as a hostage negotiation that went bad.

Posted by: junior at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (Fp6vo)

295 294: I suspect you have a few other names here.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (U7k5w)

296
Can anyone tell the difference between the FBI and ISIS?

Posted by: Puddin Head
__________________

No,, not really. I love them both...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (GEhPL)

297 And speaking of judges . . .

The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit

-
That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the students.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)


Wait.....Doesn't it say "to protect and serve" on the side of every police car everywhere?

PROTECT means, yes...putting yourself between a criminal and the people.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (F4u7C)

298 Nood.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (ffYR/)

299 Eh...Where is Flynn's atty in all this?
Or did he leave him home AGAIN!?

Posted by: Shep Smith at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (xqfqx)

300 Penny Marshall dies aged 75 from complications caused by her diabetes - Daily Mai

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (BqBId)

301 @292:

The admonition about further cooperation has nothing to do with whether Flynn can plea to those charges, does it?

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (iw59Q)

302 Q will be the judge!
https://tinyurl.com/ybcsgakx

Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (Evws/)

303 The Progressives are longing for Lavrentiy Beria...

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (90T4r)

304
lower grade shitshow would be akin to an Amy Schumer nude pole dance.

Posted by: Roy
_________________

I'd hit it...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (GEhPL)

305 Shemp Shlock Sock off

Posted by: dananjcon at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (xqfqx)

306 I suspect you have a few other names here.
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (U7k5w)
======
Nope ! sorry Kreplach, 1 Have one name

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (BqBId)

307 "I must be quite delusional. This seems solely about Trump."

No, this is about anyone who was thinking of going against the Establishment Party the way Trump has.

You weren't thinking of getting out of line, were you?

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (6S+Rb)

308 This goes back to the earlier SCOTUS rulings on
Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle
Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to
protect us.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM


Hell, those rulings go back as far as the 1860s. Always screws with the lefty law students' heads when they have to read that one.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (p+Wdc)

309 @JackStraw I have been swayed before by your arguments, but if it's from Mueller, it's about Trump. That is Muellers reason for being.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (ZfRYq)

310 I suspect you have a few other names here.
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (U7k5w)
=====
& you were/are UnderFire too, That is why that one went apeshit & got Ban Hammered

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (BqBId)

311 This goes back to the earlier SCOTUS rulings on Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to protect us.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed


Unless you are a prisoner and under their control.

And someone, (can't remember where I read it), made the argument that kids are akin to prisoners due to forced attendance, arrest if the cut, and not allowed weapons to defend themselves.

Made a compelling argument. I wish I could find it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (xzezz)

312 "284This goes back to the earlier SCOTUS rulings on
Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle
Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to
protect us.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (jxbfJ)"
...
The big problem with this isn't the LEOs, it's the school. Public education is largely mandatory, and the schools are serving in loco parentis. They very emphatically have a duty to protect their students; to argue otherwise is batshit crazy.
With this decision they're telling anyone that can't afford home or private schools that they're required to hand their kids over to the state during the school week, but that the state only has a watered down, half-assed obligation to keep them safe.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (eAshZ)

313 >>The admonition about further cooperation has nothing to do with whether Flynn can plea to those charges, does it?

I'm not sure what that has to do with my question but I don't think so.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (/tuJf)

314 @310:

Well, yes.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (iw59Q)

315 Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (ymnmz)

Could be. I suppose we are going to need a little more time than the 48 Hour Rule gives to sort out what the what just was going on.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (hLRSq)

316
I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm
getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and
saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these
stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to
get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court.
All of you make me sick."


Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (oGNNA)
I just don't think Flynn is going to shatter his bonds and yell "I'm innocent! Free me!".

So we've watched Romeo drink the poison, now we're just waiting for Juliet to wake up and stab herself. Flynn isn't going to change his plea and the Judge isn't going to throw the case out, if he were, he'd have already done it.
Realistically if we assume Sullivan thinks this can be played against Mueller and in favor of Flynn, what does he think is going to happen now?


All I see is Mueller cackling and telling his men to press Flynn to make up some shit that implicates Trump and all of this goes away for him.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (37IEG)

317 And someone, (can't remember where I read it), made the argument that kids are akin to prisoners due to forced attendance, arrest if the cut, and not allowed weapons to defend themselves.

Made a compelling argument. I wish I could find it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (xzezz)

I used to make that argument when I was in school. I'd cap it off by noting that prisoners are better, too.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (J+mig)

318 are better, too.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (J+mig)

Ate better. The cafeteria there really sucked

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (J+mig)

319 @316 With this decision they're telling anyone that can't afford home or private schools that they're required to hand their kids over to the state during the school week, but that the state only has a watered down, half-assed obligation to keep them safe.
-----------------

On the other hand, the parents could throw out the school board if they were so inclined. So if the school board decided that they weren't going to make the protection of the kids a priority, the parents could bring in a school board that was willing to do so.

But I'm guessing that the parents won't.

Posted by: junior at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (Fp6vo)

320 313: Rubbish

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (U7k5w)

321 After reading the post at Legal Insurrection I'm of the opinion that this judge is setting the prosecution up for misconduct charges.

The judge asked Flynn if, after seeing the 302s that were withheld (exculpatory evidence prosection withheld) if he wanted to change his plea and Flynn declined the offer. The judge tried several more times to get him to withdraw his plea since it was blatantly obvious Mueller withheld information and the original 302s and notes are gone.

Now the judge saying he could sentence Flynn to lengthy jail time comes through harshly when READ but we dont know his tone when SPOKEN. The judge was giving him a chance to reconsider a guilty plea in light of this new evidence. Flynn again declined.

Finally the judge asked for both parties to get together amd come up with a plan when they reconveve in March.

The takeaway?

Flynn has been mentally broken by the Mueller prosecution. He is no longer a use to them but he does not want his family to suffer any longer. The judge gave him every oppprtunity to fight this injustice but Flynn is broken.

This judge saw straight through Muellers BS in witholding exculpatory evidence. I think this judge is also pissed at the delays in providing the information and the fact that the original 302s and notes have been destroyed. I thimk that when this reconvenes in March there are gonna be fireworks and they will be directed at Mueller.

Thats my reading of the situation as posted at Legal Imsurrection and elsewhere.

Posted by: Nevyan at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (a7HML)

322 Everything Mueller is doing is about Trump.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (r+sAi)

323 312: I agree, it's all about Trump and attempting to delegitimize the election of 2016.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (U7k5w)

324 @317:

If it was just about Flynn, a plea could have been accepted from him today with the recommended sentence. Maybe I'm missing something--the judge actually is pissed at Flynn and wants to throw the book at him over the specific charges--but not prone to see this as anything more than "repeat after me, 'Trump and I were hanging with the oligarchs and their whores at their Black Sea resort...'"

I would like to think this was a veiled suggestion to withdraw the plea, but Sullivan's remarks don't indicate so.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (iw59Q)

325 >>>>Ha! And Stealthjeff is working on the matter, crossing Ts in silence as he sharpens his ax on Wednesdays

I'm sure he'll have plenty of tweets how all this is planned according to their elaborate game of eleventy seven dimensional ju jitsu chess ...

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (GdJ+p)

326 256
>>>>The judge could've blew up Mueller today. Instead, the bullshit continues.



Exactly. Flynn had the grenade that would have blown the whole "muh
Russia" investigation to kingdom come. The judge indicated he was
quite willing to pull the pin. And Flynn refused to hand him the
grenade.



I no longer feel any sympathy for him being on Mueller's leash.
When you have the judge on your side and begging you to drop the plea
because he knows you were set up, you take it.

-------------------------------------


Not after Mueller told Flynn that if he whines, his son is prison mincemeat. Flynn told the Judge, "Watch me eat Mueller's fish! arf, arf, arf, clap clap! No, Judge, I really like herring!"


Because that is exactly what Mueller told Flynn what to say. Why is this so difficult to understand?




Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (UsCnO)

327 320: You should join the CN and Kreplach law firm

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (U7k5w)

328 Actually I disagree.

He asked Flynn 3 or 4 times in the hearing if he wanted to change his plea before going off on him.

It feels to me like the judge knows this entire charge is bullshit, and he's signaling to Flynn that the judge doesn't CARE what 'deal' has been made with the prosecutor, if he pleads guilty he's getting jail time.

The judge is sending a signal to Flynn - fight the laughable charge, or go to jail, but he's not going to allow Flynn to plead guilty and walk away.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (setIA)

329 329: It's like watching a piece of shit fiction at this point. The other day his followers were treated to a long thread about how the greatest spook of all time, Flynn, had set up his unworthy opponents, which were Mueller and the FBI

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:06 PM (U7k5w)

330 247 I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court. All of you make me sick."

That would follow his earlier exasperation re the games surrounding the 302s. He won't allow Lady Justice to be pimped out on his watch.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (6S+Rb)

331 114
Schlichters right. Buy guns and ammo.



This is maddening.





Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (ZfRYq)
====================

What is frustrating is that Schlichter is stealing our own Mark Andrew Edwards gig right before our eyes.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (UsCnO)

332 202
We are Americans.



Failure is not an option.



It was not an option when King George attempted to reduce the colonies to de-facto slavery.



It was not an option through the hellish winter at Valley Forge.



It was not an option when the Democrats seceded



It was not an option when the Japanese torpedoed the Pacific Fleet.



It was not an option when the Soviets got the bomb.



Here, with our backs to the wall, I say the same.



Failure is not an option. The line must be drawn here.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (J+mig)

Yeah, and also when Germany bombed Pearl Harbor!

Posted by: John "Bluto" Blutarsky at December 18, 2018 02:13 PM (UsCnO)

333 If the Judge saw exculpatory evidence today he should have thrown the whole thing out. Not a single fucking thing is stopping him from doing it. Either the 302s weren't exculpatory or the judge is corrupt. Either way, we are all tired of the monkey business.

Posted by: John C Calhoun at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (1skAe)

334 272
"I've never sentenced someone for a crime who wasn't guilty... I don't want to start now."



Is that an accurate quote?





Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (3cq8T)

Rush Limbaugh said that on his show in the 10 o'clock hour.

Posted by: John at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (UsCnO)

335 >>>285 Flynn does not have my sympathy. Not anymore. Trump either.

Ditto. Flynn had every chance to fight back and strike a big blow against Mueller's thugs today. He whiffed.

And Trump could also blow this whole thing to smithereens at any time by simply declassifying the documents and showing the whole world the true nature of the scandal to spy on him. He doesn't.

Why the fuck should I give a shit about either of them when they won't fight back with everything they have at their disposal?

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (GdJ+p)

336 Steven Hays: "Believe it or not, there were reporters in the courtroom. Only a delusional fool - "

Would trust a reporter to accurately inform them.

During the Florida 2000 mess a NYTs reporter interviewed me and wrote me up as 3 separate people all agreeing with each other.

And people like you swallowed it all up.

And my my! What big ears you have Grandma.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (6S+Rb)

337
The judge is sending a signal to Flynn - fight the laughable charge, or go to jail, but he's not going to allow Flynn to plead guilty and walk away.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (setIA)


Yeah that's my take away. Judge told Flynn if you're going toplay it safe don't expect me to bail your ass out.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (TAmPV)

338 These people are just itching for war. A real, live war.
They may just get it.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (jWe5r)

339 "323
On the other hand, the parents could throw out the
school board if they were so inclined. So if the school board decided
that they weren't going to make the protection of the kids a priority,
the parents could bring in a school board that was willing to do so.


But I'm guessing that the parents won't.



Posted by: junior at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (Fp6vo)"...
It goes beyond abstract stuff like school board representation. They are straight up claiming a blanket immunity from the predictable results of their negligence as long as it's someone else who pulls the trigger.
This is about culpability, not administrative priorities; the latter results in hurt feelings. People are dead because multiple organizations and dozens of individuals employed by them consistently failed to do their job.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 02:18 PM (eAshZ)

340 @285:

As for Flynn, I cannot agree for one reason: he briefly solicited defense funds and not many ponied up (this includes me, and although I've got a heart of stone regret it includes me). He literally was bankrupted, asked for a little of the love the actual criminal Andrew McCabe received, and money wasn't raised. I don't know whether it is true or not about his son but if so that only increases how I feel.

Flynn served a nation honorably that turned around and spat on him and used him a political prop. He deserved better.


Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (iw59Q)

341 People, people, people. Any country lawyer will tell you that leaving your fate in the hands of a jury is a bad idea. Leaving it in the hands of a judge is even worse.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at December 18, 2018 02:28 PM (uCrjJ)

342 @349:

No, I didn't.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 02:29 PM (iw59Q)

343 Do they really want to open the whole Treason can of worms? What Hillary did was treasonous. Bill, Gore, and the Chinese? Yeah, I didn't forget that either.

When will they get Karma is a HUGE #@$#@? Biden rule, nuclear option. You really want to go down the treason road?

Posted by: joe dagostino at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (3w9Fm)

344 "These people are just itching for war. A real, live war.
They may just get it."

Nah. Conservatives won't fire the first shot and the Left knows it. They are coward bullies hiding behind antifa masks yet still they test us with one outrage after the other. Why? Because we've taught them there is no consequence.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (6S+Rb)

345 When I read the interpretation in this thread that this judge was somehow speaking to Mueller's team, et al. I was genuinely amazed.
Everything the judge said was to Flynn and about Flynn. The context is crystal clear.

I am old enough to remember the days when even liberal judges would throw just about any case out if there was even "accidental" misconduct in a prosecutor's procedure. The underlying value was to protect liberty and the presumption of actual innocence, even if it means a guilty individual walks free.

Those days are long past. I suppose it became most obvious to me when the signature of a judge was no longer required for a U.S. citizen's phone conversations to listened to by governing authorities.

Posted by: DWC at December 18, 2018 02:35 PM (hqgb1)

346 Sullivan is following the legal maxim of Justitia Blowhard Maxiumus, i.e. a federal Court Judge should not miss the opportunity to exert his/her dictatorial powers in the most obnoxious way possible, particularly prior to having read the facts.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 02:38 PM (koNhm)

347 Stephen Hays: "Okay, see you around March! "

Doubtful. I know your kind all too well.

If I'm wrong, I'll still be here to eat crow.

But if you're wrong, you'll just slither away. You're only here today to goad people as some kind of ego reinforcement. Doesn't even matter what the topic is, you're all about zinging cheap shots to compensate for whatever insecurities are making you feel inferior. For the same reason a bully pushes around a kid half his size.

What has you chasing that dopamine high? Go ahead. Spill it. Maybe we can help you work through it.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (6S+Rb)

348 " If the Judge saw exculpatory evidence today he should have thrown the whole thing out. Not a single fucking thing is stopping him from doing it. Either the 302s weren't exculpatory or the judge is corrupt. Either way, we are all tired of the monkey business."

Yes. I am getting whiplash from the various stories floating around.

Posted by: Mike K at December 18, 2018 02:46 PM (s170V)

349 Our country is a fucking joke.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at December 18, 2018 02:53 PM (trMj1)

350 That Schlichter column is hilarious. Cohen sipping Pruno in the pokey.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 18, 2018 03:01 PM (SunNf)

351 Nah. Conservatives won't fire the first shot and the Left knows it. They are coward bullies hiding behind antifa masks yet still they test us with one outrage after the other. Why? Because we've taught them there is no consequence.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (6S+Rb)

Wars are fought by 20 year olds. We are all 29. However, we have a huge amount of economic power and experience. We could become ungovernable, if we get organized.

You saw how scared the left was of the Tea Party.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 18, 2018 03:03 PM (SunNf)

352 Any lawyers out there? Question: because Judge Contreras took the guilty plea from Flynn [and then "was" recused], does Sullivan have the authority to strike the guilty plea on his own or does he need to have Flynn make the motion? I don't know if that clarifies anything but is a good question and maybe is a partial explanation of this shitshow.
I am thinking a Judge can refuse to accept a plea, but in this case the plea was already accepted by Contreras, Strozk's dinner buddy, so Sullivan can't refuse to accept it because under law it has already been accepted.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (hKi6n)

353 Well, it sounds like the Evilcrats put Judge Sullivan's nuts in a nutcracker over the weekend. First he rightly calls out the FBI and Mueller for all kinds of outrageous misconduct, then he loses his shit completely and accuses the innocent Gen. Flynn of Treason?

What in the actual fukk?

Posted by: Beverly at December 18, 2018 05:19 PM (HjlD3)

354 Rush was talking about the Ted Stevens case and was talking about the corruption of the prosecutors that was so obvious, but yet took so long to be addressed, in context of Judge Emmet Sullivan bringing the hammer down on the prosecutors.

That stood out for me. To me, it seemed like the judge was backed into a corner and HAD to say something about the prosecutors because they made it untenable for the jugde not to, vs Sullivan recognizing this "obvious" prosecutorial misconduct and dealing with it right from the start.

I felt that did not bode well for Flynn. I was worried that Sullivan is some kind of leftist shill, and it looks like this is exactly the case.

Just sickening.

Posted by: JumboMumbo at December 18, 2018 05:59 PM (Y19lx)

355 The judge needs to be removed from the bench, he all but threatened Flynn to give Meuller what he wants or else he'll throw the book at him. This is a gross miscarrage of justice.

Posted by: Rose at December 18, 2018 06:12 PM (Ot5t8)

356 This is a lot like the old joke about the three explorers captured by a primitive tribe, given the choice between death and "bufu" (which is buggery by every man in the tribe). The first two take "bufu", but the third decides death is better after seeing what happens to the first 2. Who then discovers death is *BY* "bufu". You really just cannot win.

Posted by: GWB at December 18, 2018 06:57 PM (IVYWX)

357
ace,

I'm about to posit some rank speculation, here. But I swear, if I could, I would bet $1,000 even money on this speculation, I damn well would.

Judge Sullivan sent signals (through back channels or surrogates) that he was very sympathetic to General Flynn and even that Mueller's team may have behaved unethically in pressuring him into the guilty plea.
"But, you know, you guys (the defense) are going to have to make some kind of argument at sentencing to give the judge a predicate for lashing out at the government's case. He can't just step out there on his own. You have plead guilty after all. You have to at least vaguely suggest that you plea deal may not have been entirely legitimate. Give him something to work."

Unfortunately the defense took the bait, and instead this gave that hypocritical judge _THE_ perfect excuse to: lash out at the defense; falsely insinuate that the General may have committed treason; and postpone sentencing for MONTHS.

This allows Democrats and the media to continue the bullshit charade that what General Flynn has given - or is going to give - Mueller will devastate Trump.

I believe that General Flynn was setup... again.

These are some real evil bastards at work here.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at December 18, 2018 07:21 PM (Z2PYk)

358 Clarice Feldman @ American Thinker 12/16:
Michael Flynn caught a break when his case was assigned to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, who was monstrously played by a corrupt band of DoJ criminal attorneys and FBI agents (falsified 302's) in the case of former Senator Ted Stevens. After Stevens was convicted, the Senate Republicans lost their ability to filibuster and made it possible for the Democrats to ram through ObamaCare on a single-party vote.

Posted by: Wontsubmit at December 18, 2018 08:15 PM (122Gu)

359 So does this mean that when hillary acted as a foreign agent while she was SOS that she is guilty of treason? sure sounds like it

Posted by: macko at December 18, 2018 08:36 PM (YmqYy)

360 It's simple - they are trying to goad Flynn into COMPOSING testimony. He has already answered honestly (and I'm assuming that they have ruthlessly combed through his testimony to make sure that there isn't a smidge of mis-statement that they can hang further charges on).

But, he didn't finger Trump. He's going along with the plea deal, as it has promised to keep his son from going through the same hell as he has. They tried to goad him into rejecting this deal, in order to have an excuse for going after his son - at which point, what father would not say, "I'll say anything, just leave him alone!"

Flynn is treading a narrow path, and - so far - he has beaten them. They are delaying, trying to wear him down by attrition.

PS - not that it's a secret, but the Judge is in on this. His "mis-statemtents" about treason didn't have the effect of goading him into an open, public protest. So, he walked it back.

Either that, or the Judge studied at the Hopelessly Over the Top Dramatic School, and just got carried away with his lines.

Posted by: Linda Fox at December 19, 2018 07:35 AM (V1Os2)

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