Is Twitter Shadowbanning Conservatives?

Leftwing garbage site VICE actually reported that yes, Twitter is shadowbanning conservatives. Breitbart's write-up of the VICE article is here.

Trump tweeted about it, because of course he did:

Twitter “SHADOW BANNING” prominent Republicans. Not good. We will look into this discriminatory and illegal practice at once! Many complaints.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2018

What is shadowbanning? It's a method of limiting someone's reach without explicitly banning them. The most complained-of technique has been called "throttling," where Twitter only displays the shadowbanned account to the followers he interacts with the most, and hides them from all other people.

Because Twitter allows what could be called the accounts "closest followers" to see the tweets, the shadowbanned person will get responses of "Yeah, I can see your tweets" from those persons if he asks about it, and will thus doubt he's been shadowbanned.

But he has been. Because it's only that handful of accounts who saw his question about being shadowbanned.

I was personally shadowbanned; people who followed my account told me they could not see my tweets unless they specifically entered my timeline URL and just searched my timeline. That is, they could see my tweets when they searched my timeline, but Twitter didn't put my tweets into their timeline, even though they had specifically told Twitter they wanted to see my tweets in their timeline by "following" my account.

I could see the net effect of this on my retweets. Having used twitter for a while, I knew how many retweets I could expect for certain kinds of tweets, on average.

For a tweet that didn't break any new ground, but was a pithy or pungent restatement of something most conservatives believed, I could expect 40-100 retweets or so. This sort of tweet wasn't very novel or interesting, but people like retweeting things they agree with -- it saves them the trouble of writing it themselves. It's an easy way to transmit an idea you agree with. No, the thing you're retransmitting isn't all that earth-shaking, but people like spreading ideas or beliefs they agree with.

For a tweet that was actually interesting, or about breaking news and relatively fresh to the news, or was funny, etc., I had grown accustomed to seeing 300-500 retweets, or sometimes even 1000+.

Sometime in February or March of this year, as Twitter began it's new "health" initiative -- protecting people's "health" by shadowbanning people so that special snowflakes wouldn't be "harmed" by seeing them -- suddenly the number of retweets for a type one tweet -- not novel, but a decent restatement of a belief widely shared by conservatives -- dropped from 40-100 to something like five to twelve, and the number of retweets for a more interesting tweet dropped from 300-500 or more to 20 or 30.

Before you say, "Hey, that could have been NeverTrumpers just blocking or unfollowing you," well, no, this began in February or March of this year. The purging from NeverTrump follow lists had happened long before.

Roger Simon also complains of Twitter fucking with him in another way, slashing his follower-list nearly in half, for no obvious reason.

James O'Keefe previously caught Twitter employees bragging about banning people who talked about guns or God:

Not only does Twitter shadow ban prominent Republicans, they also consider any Trump supporter who tweets about "God," "guns," or "the flag" a Russian bot (as seen in our undercover expose.) https://t.co/lxo0JoN2GP pic.twitter.com/MAPhk8tsvr
— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) July 25, 2018

So yes, shadowbanning is real.

The other type of shadowbanning is removing rightwing accounts that Twitter doesn't like from its inventory of commonly-searched for account names. So, for example, if you're a liberal and you're searching for Tommy Vietor, if you write "Vie-" in the search box "Tommy Vietor" and his account name will appear immediately below, saving you the difficulty of having to remember his account's actual name. And bear in mind, many people's account names are not obvious. I think David French's account is like @DavidAFrench, either because he's egotistical or @DavidFrench was already taken by another David French.

This is another technique by twitter to limit people's ability to find right-wing accounts. It's also the technique that VICE was reporting on, specifically. (Though I know from persona experience that "Throttling" or partial-banning is a real tactic of twitter as well.)

Twitter claims that this is just a "bug" in their system. They're lying, as usual. What they're doing, per Jim Hanson (tweets below), is using blocklists -- which are nigh-exclusively used by liberals, blocking hundreds and thousands of accounts with a single command -- as an important (or the only) determinant as to whether an account is "harmful."

"Harmful" accounts will then be shadowbanned by a process called "QFD." I don't know what that stands for. Update: Now I do. It stands for "Quality Filter Discrimination."

So if a lot of liberals put you on to their blocklist -- and almost all liberals use blocklists -- then you are deemed a low-quality account and shadowbanned for not rising to Twitter's famous level of quality.

This is just Twitter making a leftwing political decision while pretending they're applying a rule evenhandedly. It's like them hiring Anita Sarkesian, a rabid left-wing censor, as a judge in deciding which accounts are "harmful." They can say they didn't make this decision themselves, but instead deferred to their expert outside judge Anita Sarkesian -- but then, they selected Sarkesian for that post, and they knew, obviously, what kinds of accounts she would find "harmful."

Spoiler alert: Some of the accounts banned after Sarkesian joined the Health and Safety Council were, get this, critical of Anita Sarkesian.

Twitter knows that liberals are block-list crazy and conservatives, maybe as a point of pride, do not use them, so by letting the number of block-lists deployed against an account determine if it's too low quality an account to appear on Twitter, Twitter knew damn well they were once again letting left-wingers determine who could post on Twitter, while pretending these decisions are being made simply by an "algorithm" having absolutely no political bias to it.

By the way, Jim Hanson says that Twitter is "fixing" what they have called a "bug." But Hanson says they're not really "fixing" it -- all they're doing is removing the highest-profile conservative accounts from this QFD low-quality shadowban, in hopes that the high-profile conservatives now declared High Enough Quality for Twitter will stop squawking about it and let Twitter go on its merry way of shadowbanning not-quite-so-high-profile accounts:

.@realDonaldTrump told @jack to stop #Shadowbanning #Twitter says it is a side effect
But it was a foreseeable one

The Left blocks conservatives far more than we block them

So more conservatives are deemed low quality and filtered out

Fix this!https://t.co/G1kxRXGLiX
— Jim Hanson (@Uncle_Jimbo) July 26, 2018

As I suspected
Twitter just fixed things for really high profile accounts

Their Quality Filter problem still exists for the great majority of conservatives
Twitter should stop the use of mass banning lists
The Left uses these to damage conservative acct "quality"ratings pic.twitter.com/hgLjqu6bMg
— Jim Hanson (@Uncle_Jimbo) July 26, 2018

Unfortunately, the highest-profile Republicans tend to be a very selfish and mercenary crew, concerned about their own speech rights, or those of their close allies, and quite willing to permit the liberals to quash the speech of other conservatives -- to let progressives do the censorship against the neocon/NeverTrumper's enemies -- so I think Twitter will probably get away with this.

All twitter has to do is remove this shadowban from the Ben Shapiro and David French types' accounts, while leaving them on everyone else's account, and the Ben Shapiro and David French types will never say a damn word again about it.

So the only real solution, I think, is for conservatives to start making their own block-lists and blocking leftwinger en masse, so that everyone is shadowbanned according to the "How many users block you?" metric, thus forcing Twitter to abandon it, or just confess they're in the business of blocking conservatives.

They will always try to impose a negative caste system on American citizens, making some high caste and others low caste, and we must insist that there is only one caste and employ every tool at our disposal to frustrate their efforts at castification.

Conservatives have prided themselves on not employing block lists, partly because they've complained of the practice being used against them in the past, but these blocklists are now being used, if Jim Hanson is right, as the basis for shadowbans.

So the way to defeat this practice is just to make sure that Twitter's leftwing favorites appear on as many blocklists as conservatives do, rendering it useless as an allegedly "neutral" arbiter of who is allegedly a low-quality person.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 05:30 PM

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1 FIRST

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:29 PM (bUjCl)

2 Is?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 26, 2018 05:31 PM (O2RFr)

3 This isn't an undernood.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:31 PM (ezX5B)

4 Did the corgis get lost on the way to this thread?

So quiet in here.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:32 PM (ezX5B)

5 This must be the super secret thread for VIPs.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:33 PM (ezX5B)

6 I shadowbanned this post to show how it works.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:33 PM (PA9oZ)

7 "Trump tweeted about it, because of course he did..."

Abuse of Power!

Posted by: NeverTrumpers and Donks (BIRM) at July 26, 2018 05:33 PM (6eEQ+)

8 It was an under-NOOD when I got here. Thanks to my assertiveness, and superior intra-thread mobility skillz it all gots fixed. so there.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:34 PM (bUjCl)

9 I don't use socialist media.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 26, 2018 05:34 PM (j5LcW)

10 Did Ace shadow ban himself and this post?

It's like a ghost town in here.

Maybe I should make fun of people.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:34 PM (ezX5B)

11 >>>8 It was an under-NOOD when I got here. Thanks to my assertiveness, and superior intra-thread mobility skillz it all gots fixed. so there.
Posted by: runner

no it was all me baby

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:35 PM (PA9oZ)

12 >>>9 I don't use socialist media.
Posted by: Boss Moss a

good plan, but virtually all media is socialist media, unfortunately.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:35 PM (PA9oZ)

13 If TRUMP is talking this up it will get visibility. But will it affect twitter policy ? I think the only alternative may be a competing site.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:36 PM (bUjCl)

14 I wouldn't know for "shadowbanned." I can't make sense of Twitter anyway.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at July 26, 2018 05:36 PM (HiLJ1)

15 I banged a shadow once totally satisfied.A CNN co-respondent too..no not Wolf the other ones......

Posted by: saf at July 26, 2018 05:36 PM (5IHGB)

16 Bill Kristol is obviously the high quality Tweeter Twitter wants.(Tweeter Twitter heh)

Posted by: steevy at July 26, 2018 05:36 PM (LiyEm)

17 no it was all me baby
Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:35 PM (PA9oZ)

disappointment, bitter it is...

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:36 PM (bUjCl)

18 So the only real solution, I think, is for conservatives to start making their own block-lists and blocking leftwinger en masse, so that everyone is shadowbanned according to the "How many users block you?" metric, thus forcing Twitter to abandon it, or just confess they're in the business of blocking conservatives.

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Either that or, you know, STOP USING TWITTER.

Stop using them to follow accounts. Stop using them to post stuff. And, stop linking them. Call it a boycott or whatever you want, but stop using their product until they stop their abuses.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 26, 2018 05:37 PM (KDpai)

19 Probably , with the future banning

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2018 05:37 PM (pHfeF)

20
Queef For Democrats, right?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 26, 2018 05:37 PM (eXA4G)

21 >>>13 If TRUMP is talking this up it will get visibility. But will it affect twitter policy ? I think the only alternative may be a competing site.
Posted by: runner a

I think you're right. I'd love for someone to start working on a twitter and facebook killer.

But they couldn't be political per se; that's a huge limitation. Gab.ai is explicilty a conservative reaction to twitter. But most people on twitter don't care about politics.

To kill these companies, someone has to offer a competing product with some useful advantage to it.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:37 PM (PA9oZ)

22 >>>17 no it was all me baby
Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:35 PM (PA9oZ)

disappointment, bitter it is...
Posted by: runner

...

well honestly it was mostly you

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:38 PM (PA9oZ)

23 C'mon PDT, line up and kick Dorsey square in the nutsack by quitting Twitter and going to Gab.ai! Hit that Libtard phuch where he lives!

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 26, 2018 05:38 PM (b3Pum)

24 it would be a large slice of winning for Trump to suggest people pick up stakes and head for Gab.ai instead of Twitter

followed by him doing just that

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at July 26, 2018 05:39 PM (RKQ/v)

25
Bill Kristol is obviously the high quality Tweeter Twitter wants.(Tweeter Twitter heh)
Posted by: steevy at July 26, 2018 05:36 PM (LiyEm)

So, a twat.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 26, 2018 05:39 PM (eXA4G)

26 >>>Either that or, you know, STOP USING TWITTER.

Stop using them to follow accounts. Stop using them to post stuff. And, stop linking them. Call it a boycott or whatever you want, but stop using their product until they stop their abuses.

...

certainly something I have urged in the past. But again, most people are non-political and are also non-woke to the harms of social media.

The boycott thing isn't really working, or at least isn't working sufficiently, at least not yet.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:39 PM (PA9oZ)

27 Never signed up for Twitter, joined gab instead.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - It's OK, I'm with the banned at July 26, 2018 05:39 PM (qqcdC)

28 >>> it would be a large slice of winning for Trump to suggest people pick up stakes and head for Gab.ai instead of Twitter
followed by him doing just that

Imagine their stock numbers! Ouch!

Posted by: Max Power at July 26, 2018 05:40 PM (q177U)

29 If only we had a sentient AG that understood the word illegal.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 26, 2018 05:40 PM (r9UYA)

30 Surprise!!

One other complaint I've seen is that twitter is breaking up tweet threads. You have someone like Sundance at TCT who regularly posts a series of 15 tweets to flesh out a story, and not all tweets in the thread display. Only clue is when the tweeter numbers the tweets.

Now, maybe this is just twitter being buggy - I don't read enough Lefty tweet threads, but I have seen it in action.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2018 05:40 PM (W+vEI)

31 It would be positively Alinsky-like if a high-profile conservative blogger mentioned four or five particularly unpleasant popular leftist tweeters, and suggested that they be blocked by as many conservatives as possible.

I have no idea where one would find such a person or blog, but a fellow can dream...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2018 05:40 PM (wYseH)

32 I'm sure TruCons will line up and defend a private company getting to do whatever the hell they want.

This is no different than giving a large donation to one side of the aisle, it should be treated as a campaign donation with all the requisite laws we are told should apply to corporations.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 26, 2018 05:41 PM (UfkIY)

33 What is is Bart Simpson says? Beer, the cause and solution to life's problems? Something like that.

Twitter is the tool Trump uses to communicate, yet that social platform is run by a socialist and is a cesspool.

Somehow my brain sees a connection.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:41 PM (ezX5B)

34 I think you're right. I'd love for someone to start working on a twitter and facebook killer.

But they couldn't be political per se; that's a huge limitation. Gab.ai is explicilty a conservative reaction to twitter. But most people on twitter don't care about politics.

To kill these companies, someone has to offer a competing product with some useful advantage to it.
Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:37 PM (PA9oZ)

I think Amazon has a good model with their book publishing - all authors, whether conservative or liberal are allowed to publish. There is some moderation but just to keep it going off the cliff. At least that is what it seems like to me.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:42 PM (bUjCl)

35 Was trying to get a raise out of bluebell on the last thread concerning baseball.
I guess she was shadowbanning me.
No worries...the playoffs loom BBells...

Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2018 05:42 PM (0tfLf)

36 Trump trolling Twitter.

What an incredible time to be alive.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 05:42 PM (ptqGC)

37 Twitter knows that liberals are block-list crazy and conservatives, maybe as a point of pride, do not use them

***

The intersting thing here is that because the left has become such a hive mind there isn't much useful information in the average leftwing response.

Pick your favorite liberal talking head....every liberal you talk to will not only believe the same things, but will make the same arguments for those things.

It is...disturbing...and a recent phenomenon. Even as late as the 90s liberals felt comfortable making their own arguments and staking their own views slightly outside the mainstream of the left. But that time has come and gone.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (eSx+E)

38 Or we could go totally leftist and declare it a public utility and take it over.
That would be wrong.
But it would be funny.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (r+sAi)

39 Twitter was started by a liberal gay guy. If they didn't ban conservatives I'd be shocked. Does twitter even have an income stream?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (ZVFID)

40 1 FIRST
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:29 PM (bUjCl)

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Blocked!!!

Posted by: Orson at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (0ul97)

41 I shadowbanned Twitter long ago.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (c+2jX)

42 I'd use my dormant twitter account to deploy the "no-host" list on enemy accounts.

No-host lists. Yeah.

Posted by: 13times at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (K3B2k)

43 33 What is is Bart Simpson says? Beer, the cause and solution to life's problems? Something like that.

Twitter is the tool Trump uses to communicate, yet that social platform is run by a socialist and is a cesspool.

Somehow my brain sees a connection.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:41 PM (ezX5B)

++++

I haven't watched the Simpsons in a while, but that sounds more like a Homer quote than a Bart one. Unless Bart has hit his teens and started partying hard.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (KDpai)

44 >> If TRUMP is talking this up it will get visibility. But will it affect twitter policy ? I think the only alternative may be a competing site.

Old and busted: People sue Trump for blocking them from replying. They have a "right" to communicate with the president, a government official.

New Hotness: Twitter is shadowbanning POLITICAL CANDIDATEs (Rep Mark Meadows and others, IIRC) - denying them access to their constituents and potential voters.

Yeah, Twitter's gonna regret that Trump lawsuit.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (W+vEI)

45 >>>29 If only we had a sentient AG that understood the word illegal.

Posted by: Under Fire

it's not really illegal, but there are bad legal consequences which could flow from this.

First of all: It's false advertising, and companies are fined all the time for false advertising. Why doesn't someone launch a probe of Twitter and facebook to make sure they are living up to the promise they make to consumers that these are neutral platforms that are devoted to free expression? If that's not true, then they can be fined bigtime.

Second of all: As Ted Cruz pointed out, the Communications and Decency Act makes those who run message boards immune to lawsuit for what its users post so long as it is a "neutral" platform and the platform does not reflect the editorial preferences of the ownership.

Obviously, Twitter and FaceBook are not neutral and therefore should not have immunity to suit, per the CDA.

I'm afraid of that line of thought because that would expose ME, too, to suit based on what a commenter says, but I'm willing to deal with that later.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (PA9oZ)

46 I'm not on twitter, but the times I've read Ace taking apart Tapper or Chris Cuomo were comedy gold.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM (ptqGC)

47 I can think of an easier way to defeat this, which I will use personally.

A) Never log into an account on twitter.

B) Never read anything on Twitter.

C) Never quote anything on Twitter.

D) Tell anyone who tries to tell you something about Twitter that they are a mindless idiot and you don't want to hear anything about that cesspool.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM (k1TUh)

48 I used to work for Jim Hanson. He's a stand-up guy, one of the best!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM (AzW6q)

49 it would be a large slice of winning for Trump to suggest people pick up stakes and head for Gab.ai instead of Twitter

followed by him doing just that

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Calling for people to leave twitter? Impeachable offense I am afraid.

Posted by: Bob Meuller at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM (eSx+E)

50 Ace: "Twitter claims that this is just a 'bug' in their system."

Funny how all these bugs are always one-way streets keeping Conservatives off the highway. Never is an edge given to the Right. Oh, but when the Right exploits a tool Silicon Valley already conceded to the Left (Facebook account access), it's time for criminal investigations.

Remind me, who are the Fascists again?

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM (6eEQ+)

51

it would be a large slice of winning for Trump to suggest people pick up stakes and head for Gab.ai instead of Twitter

=

no. don't think gab.ai is the answer.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM (bUjCl)

52 Although I rarely use twitter, I am also signed up with Gab.ai (there's a moron group there). Even though I abhor the abuse of power by liberal social media companies, I think the fight back technique is much more effective than the "just don't use it" option. It's the only way to cause pain to the "self-proclaimed elites" cucks and Dems. I understand the intellectual appeal of "just create a viable alternative using the free market" I just don't think it will have an effect soon enough to really help.

Posted by: Iris at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM (6lKe4)

53 Was trying to get a raise out of bluebell on the last thread concerning baseball.
I guess she was shadowbanning me.
No worries...the playoffs loom BBells...
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2018 05:42 PM (0tfLf)
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Yes, they do, but in the meantime the New York Yankees are 5.5 games behind the Boston Red Sox and right now that's all that matters to me.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM (JJZzu)

54 I used to work for Jim Hanson. He's a stand-up guy, one of the best!----
Did he let you play with the Muppets?

Posted by: shibumi at July 26, 2018 05:45 PM (SbIX4)

55 >>>39 Twitter was started by a liberal gay guy. If they didn't ban conservatives I'd be shocked. Does twitter even have an income stream?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp

Same income stream that most social media companies have: they use software to collect your personal information and preferences, then package you up and sell you to advertisers.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:45 PM (PA9oZ)

56 certainly something I have urged in the past. But again, most people are non-political and are also UNAWARE about the harms of social media.

FIFY

I am not gonna use the leftist BS language they have forced upon us. It's insidious and subversive.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:45 PM (ezX5B)

57
I suspect most high profile Leftists are on the never ever ban list by twitter so block list scheme wouldn't work.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 26, 2018 05:45 PM (r+sAi)

58 I'm afraid of that line of thought because that
would expose ME, too, to suit based on what a commenter says, but I'm
willing to deal with that later.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (PA9oZ)

The horde would bail you out, do a GoFundMe for legal defense, and then get drunk.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 05:45 PM (ptqGC)

59 Twitter is run by fascist censoring Left Wing Ideologues. So fukc then with a rusty spork.

Posted by: WonkishRogue Tarrasque eating Twitter enthusiast at July 26, 2018 05:46 PM (O9JR8)

60 I used to work for Jim Hanson. He's a stand-up guy, one of the best!----
Did he let you play with the Muppets?
Posted by: shibumi at July 26, 2018 05:45 PM (SbIX4)

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If Jim made muppets, they'd be pretty awesome - probably Special Forces muppets that do drug interdictions in Guatemala, or somesuch.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 05:46 PM (AzW6q)

61 All part of the Leftist mindset and its project for annihilating conservatism. Nothing hard to understand about it. The command came down after the 2016 election -- squeeze the Right out of social media. It was important for Trump to say what he said.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 26, 2018 05:46 PM (H8QX8)

62 The better answer to all this is to ban companies from selling your personal information at all without your explicit approval.

Facebook and twitter would die overnight.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 05:47 PM (eSx+E)

63 are there twitter advertisers who target conservative users? maybe a lawsuit about being overcharged for ads would accomplish something

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at July 26, 2018 05:48 PM (UFyv9)

64 >>>62 The better answer to all this is to ban companies from selling your personal information at all without your explicit approval.

Facebook and twitter would die overnight.
Posted by: 18-1 at

ding ding ding ding

but it's such a huge move I think the cucks would be all askared.

A lot of Republicans take a lot of Silicon Valley money.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:48 PM (PA9oZ)

65 >>Ace: "Twitter claims that this is just a 'bug' in their system."

Yeah, the undercover Project Veritas videos disprove that. He got a variety of Twitter employees admitting how they target conservative accounts for suspension. After seeing that developer describe how he sets up filters based on key words - yeah, it's an algorithm, not "bugs".

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2018 05:48 PM (W+vEI)

66 no. don't think gab.ai is the answer.
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM (bUjCl)

There have been a number of the Horde reporting some troubling things that made them delete their accounts.

Heard about it other places too. One of the champions and investors in it also pulled up stakes.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:48 PM (ezX5B)

67 If that's not true, then they can be fined bigtime.
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ace, who would fine them? I have no idea what government agency would have oversight over Twitter. The FCC, maybe?

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 05:48 PM (JJZzu)

68 Probably Willowed from last thread: TAX ADVISE FROM MORON TO MORON (NEVER TRUST A MORON):
>>>>>
319 Does anybody on here know tax law? My 401K is woefully underfunded. I'm thinking about taking out a HELoC, and stuffing as much as I can into my/my wife's IRAs, and fixing up the house as well. Can I just straight up deduct the HELoC payments?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 26, 2018 05:00 PM (ty7RM)
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It's hard (and dangerous) to provide tax advice without knowing your exact tax situation. I'm a CPA/Tax Adviser. Depending on her age, you and your wife can put up $6,500 per year each in an individual IRA. However that may be limited based on whether either of you is eligible to participate in any other retirement plan thru your employers. Having said that, the HELOC interest is only deductible if it is used to improve your home or second residence. If it is use for any other purpose, i.e. pay off credit cards or buy vehicle, then it is not deductible on Schedule A Itemized deduction.
Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 26, 2018 05:38 PM (2sCft)

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 26, 2018 05:48 PM (2sCft)

69 But they couldn't be political per se; that's a huge limitation. Gab.ai is explicilty a conservative reaction to twitter. But most people on twitter don't care about politics.

To kill these companies, someone has to offer a competing product with some useful advantage to it.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:37 PM (PA9oZ)

++++

It is a reaction from the right, but the platform itself is not conservative or anti-liberal. They don't ban people for spouting left-wing stupidity.

But, you're right about the lack of advantage. No one from the left uses it because there's no reason for them to do so. Twitter serves all their needs better than Gab.ai does.

But, that will be true of any new platform. Why would a lefty abandon Twitter to move to a new platform? Because the new platform promises not to be mean to icky right-wingers?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 26, 2018 05:48 PM (KDpai)

70 Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:45 PM (PA9oZ)

Is that part of the user agreement that gives them permission to do that in exchange for using their platform?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 26, 2018 05:49 PM (ZVFID)

71
but it's such a huge move I think the cucks would be all askared.

***

Yes, but it is also the right thing to do. I imagine the debate about Facebook being able to sell your data without your approval would NOT go well for facebook and friends.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 05:49 PM (eSx+E)

72 Mueller says Trump is intimidating"witnesses" with his tweets..Funny, I always thought that answering back your "critics" is a first amendment right... I guess not in Trumps case..

Posted by: It's me donna at July 26, 2018 05:49 PM (O2RFr)

73 Silver is goint to $hit. Sell your silver dimes.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 26, 2018 05:49 PM (j5LcW)

74 I uninstalled Twitter in the run up to the 2016 election,pretty early on in the run up.Already the core values of what we call NeverTrumpers were becoming obvious to me and I was unfollowing like a boss.

Posted by: steevy at July 26, 2018 05:50 PM (LiyEm)

75 thinking that any leftists could be blocked by using block-lists is foolish, in fact downright silly. Any leftist who thinks something is happening simply needs to send a single short message to Twitter management and they will have the Automatic Manual Override put them back in instantly.

It's a rigged game, all the way though. Trying to figure out how to best it is foolish, it will just keep being rigged in other ways. You can never win playing with their toys, by their rules. Because the only real rule in their game is Heads, they always win, Tails, you always lose.

Sometimes the only way to win is not to play at all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2018 05:50 PM (k1TUh)

76 >>>ace, who would fine them? I have no idea what government agency would have oversight over Twitter. The FCC, maybe?

I don't know, really. The Federal Trade Commission usually does the false advertising suits, I think, but I don't know if they'd do that with a media company, as they're not "trading" anything.

Except the details of your name, address, preferences, and shopping history to advertising companies.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:50 PM (PA9oZ)

77 I actually was one of the first people to ever discover the concept of "shadowbanning" -- although at the time I had no word for it, since the concept was not yet named.

I uncovered the fact that newspapers were shadowbanning conservative commenters - - i.e. you could comment, but ONLY you could see your comment. For everyone else, you comment did not exist and could not be seen. But you never knew that, because you saw your own comment. You just thought that you must be unpopular, since no one ever replied to or noted the existence of your comments.

I wrote up this expose NOT under the "zombie" persona, but under one of my many other online personas, "Investigate the Media," 11 years ago back in 2007. It actually caused a major ruckus at the time -- I knew someone in the SF Chronicle newsroom, and they told me my report was THE topic of discussion there for over a month:

http://investigatethemedia.blogspot.com/2007/11/san-francisco-chronicle-deceives-its.html

http://investigatethemedia.blogspot.com/2007/11/sf-chronicle-admits-to-deceptive.html

After I outed the SF Chronicle, and my expose got a lot of coverage, they changed their policy, as did other newspapesr in their "group," to unban conservatives -- for a while. But after the spotlight on them went away, they started the process up again, until they just outright banned all conservatives openly.

As far as I know, this was the first expose of shadowbanning.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 05:50 PM (c+2jX)

78 Shadowbanning is a passive-aggressive feminine response so it's not surprising a fag like Jack Dorsey would use it.

It's the millenial way.

I'd already heard that The Violinist and French and Glenn Beck haven't been shadowbanned.

That speaks volumes about what they are: Controlled Opposition.

I know I sound like a broken record saying it, but nothing else makes sense. Their continued existence is to lure you back to the soothing balm of losing that is the cuck plantation.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 26, 2018 05:50 PM (4ErVI)

79 Yes, they do, but in the meantime the New York Yankees are 5.5 games behind the Boston Red Sox and right now that's all that matters to me.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 05:44 PM

I caught the 5.5 and thought it was clever.
Now we have to take care of business with Houston.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2018 05:50 PM (0tfLf)

80 There have been a number of the Horde reporting some troubling things that made them delete their accounts.

Heard about it other places too. One of the champions and investors in it also pulled up stakes.
Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:48 PM (ezX5B)

They tried going for absolute freedom of speech, which quickly turned into absolute freedom of hate. Plus their architecture is wonky.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:51 PM (bUjCl)

81 The better answer to all this is to ban companies from selling your personal information at all without your explicit approval.

Facebook and twitter would die overnight.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 05:47 PM (eSx+E)

Actually, that is what started FaceBook's freefall. They changed their language and people had to choose to opt in to having their personal data used. People suddenly said "nope". Before, they didn't read the fine print.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:51 PM (ezX5B)

82 >>>70 Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:45 PM (PA9oZ)

Is that part of the user agreement that gives them permission to do that in exchange for using their platform?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chim

...

oh almost certainly, though most people don't read that, and it's probably written in a vague and anodyne way so as not to alert you as to what you're agreeing to.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:51 PM (PA9oZ)

83 Silver is goint to $hit. Sell your silver dimes.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 26, 2018 05:49 PM (j5LcW)

-------

Maybe I'll send thirty of them to Bill Kristol.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 05:51 PM (AzW6q)

84 I called "greylisting."

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (c+2jX)

85 >>>Actually, that is what started FaceBook's freefall. They changed their language and people had to choose to opt in to having their personal data used. People suddenly said "nope". Before, they didn't read the fine print.

REALLY? I have a post in draft about that but didn't know that aspect; do you have a cite? Would like to include that.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (PA9oZ)

86 Am still coming to grips with how many out and out assholes there are ~~inhabiting~~ infesting this country. Seems like every time yu turn around there's another bunch stinking up the place.

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (57plp)

87 ......if GDP makes 5 or so......what's the chance of a rare appearance of the Victory Rack?

just sayin'.....

Posted by: Claude Hopper at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (XT6Vl)

88 Yeah, the undercover Project Veritas videos disprove that. He got a variety of Twitter employees admitting how they target conservative accounts for suspension. After seeing that developer describe how he sets up filters based on key words - yeah, it's an algorithm, not "bugs".
Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2018 05:48 PM (W+vEI)

Now. let's not bicker about who killed whom! You say "algorithm", I say "bug". They're practically synonyms!

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (9BLnV)

89
Second of all: As Ted Cruz pointed out, the Communications and
Decency Act makes those who run message boards immune to lawsuit for
what its users post so long as it is a "neutral" platform and the
platform does not reflect the editorial preferences of the ownership.
=====

An entire city of drones is exercising censorship over whatever is put on a platform. EU rules are draconian as far as what 'speech' is permitted, and we must comply because why should a company change rules for those crazy US people.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (MIKMs)

90
-Nucleic Acid Ban

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (/bYHr)

91 So if these are the new rulz? if we en mass report a leftie do they get shadow banned? Because I can play by the rules.

Posted by: batterup at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM (U2JQS)

92 >>>78 Shadowbanning is a passive-aggressive feminine response so it's not surprising a fag like Jack Dorsey would use it.

It's the millenial way.

I'd already heard that The Violinist and French and Glenn Beck haven't been shadowbanned.

That speaks volumes about what they are: Controlled Opposition.

I know I sound like a broken record saying it, but nothing else makes sense. Their continued existence is to lure you back to the soothing balm of losing that is the cuck plantation.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

...

Agree. Just looked up "controlled opposition" for a post.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM (PA9oZ)

93 Wasn't Shadow Run a game back in the 1980s?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM (JUOKG)

94 Now we have to take care of business with Houston.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2018 05:50 PM (0tfLf)
--------

That Altuve is nothing but trouble. Dimples and trouble.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM (JJZzu)

95 I learned about shadow banning from Scott Adams (Dilbert). I think he was one of the first to discover it.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM (ezX5B)

96 Zombie really is a national treasure.

Investigate the Media. Love it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM (4ErVI)

97 Because the new platform promises not to be mean to icky right-wingers?

***

There was a time, as recently as the 90s, where the left prided themselves public on being the people of free expression. In Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (1999) the UN loving, Pure Left Liberal guy says;

As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, the free
flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The
once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information
flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation
gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid
slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to
information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM (eSx+E)

98 I wish Trump would start posting on GAB, he could demolish Twitter over night

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at July 26, 2018 05:54 PM (YuQLm)

99 Maybe I'll send thirty of them to Bill Kristol.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 05:51 PM (AzW6q)

Don't do that! You'll just encourage the ass bandit.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 26, 2018 05:54 PM (9BLnV)

100 Maybe I'll send thirty of them to Bill Kristol.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 05:51 PM (AzW6q)

Save your dimes for Capt. Bill's cruise.

I still say we should arrange a national MoMe on one of the cuck cruises. We could wear yachting attire at the dinners and pirate costumes for the cocktail hours.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 05:54 PM (ptqGC)

101 Die, Twitter, die!

Oh, and deport Pranay Singh. Now.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at July 26, 2018 05:54 PM (8DwPe)

102 I can think of an easier way to defeat this, which I will use personally.

A) Never log into an account on twitter.

B) Never read anything on Twitter.

C) Never quote anything on Twitter.

D) Tell anyone who tries to tell you something about Twitter that they are a mindless idiot and you don't want to hear anything about that cesspool.
Posted by: Tom Servo

____________

This is the problem with our side.

We basically surrender the culture with "I'm taking my ball home"

So every company gets to abuse us and own all mass forms of communication, but we think we're "winning" by not using Twitter.

We're basically being run off by every company, should we just live like the Unabomber in some cabin in the middle of nowhere?

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 26, 2018 05:54 PM (UfkIY)

103 I think Amazon has a good model with their book publishing - all authors, whether conservative or liberal are allowed to publish. There is some moderation but just to keep it going off the cliff. At least that is what it seems like to me. Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 05:42 PM (bUjCl)

I have 11 books on Amazon, and they play a lot of games.I mostly write erotica, which isn't supposedly eligible for ads through Amazon - but I have found a LOT of erotica (sometimes with that designation IN THE TITLE), but a large portion are... Kindle Unlimited and the remainder seem to be large-name authors.
I petitioned to have one book advertised, but they told me the cover was too racy - it showed some cleavage and handcuffs. I emailed them back with screenshots of worse covers - in one, an almost naked guy in pink handcuffs was on a bed and it was an MM story - it was allowed to advertise, and Amazon absolutely ignored my mail. I've received threatening emails from Amazon about the price of books in other channels, (which I can't control), and threatening to yank my book in a market.

Know of authors who have had people steal their book content, republish it, and claim the author is the offender and Amazon takes the ORIGINAL authors work down without warning, and they have to fight to get it back - even though it's clear when the date was published who came first.
Keywords, and how they are weighed in searches, are another beast entirely and people play games with those (mis-categorizing their books so it appears in a less populated genre so they can climb that list).
I could go on. Independent authors are nervous about pushing on anything, for fear of Amazon just pulling their entire catalogue. Amazon plays favourites for sure, I wouldn't be surprised if it's also in political books, although I think to know you'd have to be in the thick of it to say.

Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 05:54 PM (Gim9y)

104 87 ......if GDP makes 5 or so......what's the chance of a rare appearance of the Victory Rack?

just sayin'.....
Posted by: Claude Hopper at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (XT6Vl)

Wishin' and hopin' and prayin'...

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at July 26, 2018 05:55 PM (57plp)

105 101 H1B visa?

Posted by: steevy at July 26, 2018 05:55 PM (LiyEm)

106 Actually, that is what started FaceBook's freefall. They changed their language and people had to choose to opt in to having their personal data used. People suddenly said "nope". Before, they didn't read the fine print.

REALLY? I have a post in draft about that but didn't know that aspect; do you have a cite? Would like to include that.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (PA9oZ)

I'll look and see if I saved an article. BRB.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 05:55 PM (ezX5B)

107 It's not pride, it's sanity

You cannot out Left the Left

Sane adults don't act like junior high school girls, I've zero urge to click 'like' on a post that I agree with or downvote shit that makes no sense

Which is why any site with down or upvoting is mobbed by the Left

We can make and use blocklists but it won't ever be anything but half assed

I think we've got to make and use parallel platforms.

And crush the midterms.

Posted by: hevel varik at July 26, 2018 05:55 PM (DfHNp)

108 Maybe I'll send thirty of them to Bill Kristol.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 05:51 PM (AzW6q)

Touche

Posted by: DR.WTF? at July 26, 2018 05:55 PM (T71PA)

109 100 Maybe I'll send thirty of them to Bill Kristol.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 05:51 PM (AzW6q)

Save your dimes for Capt. Bill's cruise.

I still say we should arrange a national MoMe on one of the cuck cruises. We could wear yachting attire at the dinners and pirate costumes for the cocktail hours.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 05:54 PM (ptqGC)

Throw Captain Bill into the pool? I mean the big one, the real big one.

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at July 26, 2018 05:56 PM (nBr1j)

110
That Altuve is nothing but trouble.

Do not take Altuve if you are allergic to Altuve.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 26, 2018 05:56 PM (IqV8l)

111 You mean with due process of law and in Minecraft.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 26, 2018 05:57 PM (j5LcW)

112 >>>
This is the problem with our side.

We basically surrender the culture with "I'm taking my ball home"

So every company gets to abuse us and own all mass forms of communication, but we think we're "winning" by not using Twitter.

We're basically being run off by every company, should we just live like the Unabomber in some cabin in the middle of nowhere?
Posted by: Jolly Roger

...

Good points, but yeah, I think ultimately we are going to just have to effectively live in cabins.

That, or revolution. Which I don't think we have the stones for.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:57 PM (PA9oZ)

113 Unfortunately, the highest-profile Republicans tend to be a very selfish
and mercenary crew, concerned about their own speech rights, or those
of their close allies, and quite willing to permit the liberals to quash
the speech of other conservatives

Ben Shapiro said it was for my own good.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2018 05:57 PM (oVJmc)

114 Mueller says Trump is intimidating"witnesses" with his tweetsMueller says Trump is intimidating"witnesses" with his tweets

***

You have to understand lefty thought. Speech which advances the left is good and should be promoted. Speech which weakens the left is hate speech and should be banned.

And I mean really, what do you expect from Whitey Bulger's errand boy?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 05:57 PM (eSx+E)

115 Agree. Just looked up "controlled opposition" for a post.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM (PA9oZ)

Youtube pushes Shapiro like crazy. The other day I had FIVE of his videos in my list of recommendations.

If I play a political video, I'll get a Shapiro video almost immediately if I let it play through. If it's not the second one, it's the third.

How can this be when youtube has gone to total war against conservatives?

Why would Google/Youtube be pushing Shapiro so relentlessly? Only one thing makes sense.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 26, 2018 05:57 PM (4ErVI)

116 >>>I'll look and see if I saved an article. BRB.
Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel

thank you, i couldn't find it.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:58 PM (PA9oZ)

117 Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:52 PM (PA9oZ)

Ace, it's on Daily Mail about the FB freefall - they mention it in the text. "Facebook has the worst day in Wall Street History..."

Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 05:58 PM (Gim9y)

118 >>>Youtube pushes Shapiro like crazy. The other day I had FIVE of his videos in my list of recommendations.

Dude, I've had to click the "NOT INTERESTED" box on the thousand Ben Shapiro Cuck Videos YouTube always wants me to watch over and over again and it's still trying to get me to watch this slippery-assed cuckling.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:59 PM (PA9oZ)

119 I'm admittedly social media ignorant but isn't twitter and Facebook for 'old people' now ? Conservatives should start using one of the other liberal platforms. Guerrilla warfare . Change the battlefield. We would need Trump to fire the first shot.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 26, 2018 05:59 PM (ZVFID)

120 Twatter is a commie/dim run service to support commie/dim objectives and brainwashing. Twatter needs to go away.

Posted by: Usntakim profoundly deplorable. at July 26, 2018 05:59 PM (0OmEj)

121 atomicplaygirl, thank you.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:59 PM (PA9oZ)

122 Would it be possible to slip Exlax into the NRO punch bowl at this Captain Bill Cruise/AOSHQ meet up?

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at July 26, 2018 05:59 PM (nBr1j)

123 >>Now. let's not bicker about who killed whom! You say "algorithm", I say "bug". They're practically synonyms!

Heh. Look, there is no way they are not running all kinds of stats on their users/usage down to the minute - what is trending, who is trending, who has the most follows, most view, most retweets, most unfollows, most replies, and on and on.

It would be incredibly easy for them to ID the most influential conservative users, who are most effective at getting out a non-progressive message.

And this also happens to correspond with who is shadowbanned --- by coincidence!

That, and I'd like to know if their Orwellian "Truth and Safety Council" have been involved in code changes/limiting the reach of designated "hateful" users.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2018 05:59 PM (W+vEI)

124 That Altuve is nothing but trouble. Dimples and trouble.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM

Have to say i didn't notice the dimples...
;-)
But any 2 bagger that is hitting above .300 is trouble.
Unless he's on your team in which case it is a good thing!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2018 05:59 PM (0tfLf)

125 Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 05:54 PM (Gim9y)

what about plagiarism laws ?

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 06:00 PM (bUjCl)

126 Liars and thieves everywhere.

Zoo accused of painting donkeys to look like zebras...

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2018 06:00 PM (+y/Ru)

127 This is the problem with our side.

We basically surrender the culture with "I'm taking my ball home"

So every company gets to abuse us and own all mass forms of communication, but we think we're "winning" by not using Twitter.

We're basically being run off by every company, should we just live like the Unabomber in some cabin in the middle of nowhere?
Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 26, 2018 05:54 PM (UfkIY)
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I get the frustration, Jolly Roger. But most of us on the right (and I include myself) don't have the inclination to attack things the way the lefties do - shriek, yell, make a lot of noise, hurl epithets and accusations, relentlessly and without regard to the truth. I honestly don't know how they have the time and the stomach for such stuff, but they do.

So they can successfully take over a good thing through sheer perseverance, and make it a bad thing. It's rare that our side can do the same.

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm not going to become a shrieking banshee. Heck, I don't have any social media at all. This place is my social medium.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:00 PM (JJZzu)

128 The real problem is all the leftists who are cool violating other peoples' freedom of speech rights. This is how they were trained and what makes them un-American. They don't get the idea of universal human rights. They are trained to few anyone who doesn't agree with them as the enemy.

Posted by: IanDeal at July 26, 2018 06:01 PM (5mrLG)

129 Liars and thieves everywhere.

Zoo accused of painting donkeys to look like zebras...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2018 06:00 PM (+y/Ru)

Where do they think they are? Tijuana?

Posted by: DR.WTF? at July 26, 2018 06:01 PM (T71PA)

130 Can you comment on Instagram with your pic?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 26, 2018 06:02 PM (ZVFID)

131 no i still can't find it, including in the daily mail articles i found.

can you give me the article's title?

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 06:02 PM (PA9oZ)

132 126>>Liars and thieves everywhere.

Zoo accused of painting donkeys to look like zebras...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2018 06:00 PM (+y/R
++++
What's Next? Fake Gnus??

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 26, 2018 06:02 PM (2sCft)

133 Our local Hearst rag The Houston Comical was shadowing banning commentors several years ago. You'd post and see your comment, then clear your cache and viola! it was gone.

That explains why local papers only have bat-shit crazy liberal commentors.

Posted by: DanMan at July 26, 2018 06:02 PM (QMG5F)

134 don't know what the answer is, but I'm not going to become a shrieking banshee. Heck, I don't have any social media at all. This place is my social medium.

Good for you.

I don't do any social media (I look at other sites. yes) but here.Don't do FB, Twitter, Gab. I'm irritable lately sometimes; I don't want to turn into a shrieking banshee by using FB.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 26, 2018 06:03 PM (AllCR)

135 Ace, here's the quote for ya:

"According to analysts, stalling numbers are likely the result of forcing Facebook users to consciously opt-in to having their information used for personal advertising - one of the key stipulations of the stringent GDPR rules."

bitly link:
dailym.ai/2LVj7Z2

Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 06:03 PM (Gim9y)

136 >>>48 I used to work for Jim Hanson. He's a stand-up guy, one of the best!

ITA
SSG are the good guys

Posted by: concrete girl at July 26, 2018 06:03 PM (BVthB)

137 I can't speak to shadow banning, 'cause I'm not 100% sure how it works. I do know THIS: I follow all kinds of conservatives, w/yuuuge followings, and I also follow lots of a-hole libs like Eichenwald (when he posted) and Cuck Kristol. Every. F'ing. Time. I opened my feed, those two ass hats were at the top. I really hope the social media fad has peeked*, or at least the worm has turned as far as the libtard manipulation.
*Exception being: LinkedIn, which is more business media.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 26, 2018 06:03 PM (ty7RM)

138 We're basically being run off by every company, should we just live like the Unabomber in some cabin in the middle of nowhere?

***
Here is the problem...

Liberals tend to have fewer societal obligations (kids, parents to take care of, mortgages, etc) and a much stronger hierarchical impulse.

They pay fewer penalties for taking actions to advance the left - oh no I lost my job as a barista...good thing Dad will advance my allowance for this month! Wow, if I had a kid living on people's couches until the wire transfer comes through would be tough!

They also worry less about the implications of what they are doing - John Oliver really showed my this person is BAD BAD BAD I'm going to go protest them! Listen to them first? Why would I do that?

And the left built an infrastructure to take care of their own - Damn, maybe I shouldn't have committed that felony no one in private industry will hire me. But at least I can always hit up my friend as Soros Inc....they are always hiring!

We conservatives have to find a different way to move forward, though frankly the fact there aren't conservative leaning activist groups with big budget donors is terrible.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 06:03 PM (eSx+E)

139 I don't know what the answer is, but I'm not going
to become a shrieking banshee. Heck, I don't have any social media at
all. This place is my social medium.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:00 PM (JJZzu)

This this this^^^ I've never been on Facebook and never will. Not on Twitter. It's bad enough when my husband complains about "one of my liberal friends has lost his mind," etc. No thanks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:03 PM (ptqGC)

140 We put a webcam in my feeble old bat Mother-In-Law's house this week so we can check on her and record what a nasty piece of work she is to her caregivers, etc.

It's like Bitch-Cam 24/7.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2018 06:03 PM (oVJmc)

141 115 Agree. Just looked up "controlled opposition" for a post.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:53 PM (PA9oZ)

Youtube pushes Shapiro like crazy. The other day I had FIVE of his videos in my list of recommendations.

If I play a political video, I'll get a Shapiro video almost immediately if I let it play through. If it's not the second one, it's the third.

How can this be when youtube has gone to total war against conservatives?

Why would Google/Youtube be pushing Shapiro so relentlessly? Only one thing makes sense.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

I've noticed that as well. I've never intentionally watched a Shapiro video, but for some reason, in the "recommended" sidebar on YouTube, there are ALWAYS several Be Shapiro videos there. Why are they recommended for me if I've never shown any interest in them?

"Controlled opposition." Good one.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 06:04 PM (c+2jX)

142 Yeah one Texas zoo tried to dress up a cat as a jackalope . Couldn't fool me I know the real thing

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 26, 2018 06:04 PM (ZVFID)

143 Thirty pieces of silver...

Fake gnus...

The hoard is on fire.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at July 26, 2018 06:04 PM (T71PA)

144 Ace, there's this:

Facebook’s stock plunged 20% Thursday morning after the company said it expects revenue growth to slow as it “puts privacy first” and rethinks its product experiences."

If you can read their conference call, you'll find details. They talk about how they expect it to slow future growth too...especially with the new EU data collection laws.

My original post referenced 2 articles I read on foreign websites, but I didn't keep them.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 06:04 PM (ezX5B)

145 The idea of Bill Kristol and his Democrat-felching homo buddies trapped in a tin box on the high seas with hundreds of Horde Morons fills me with laughter. I can just picture it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 06:04 PM (AzW6q)

146 118 >>>Youtube pushes Shapiro like crazy. The other day I had FIVE of his videos in my list of recommendations.

Dude, I've had to click the "NOT INTERESTED" box on the thousand Ben Shapiro Cuck Videos YouTube always wants me to watch over and over again and it's still trying to get me to watch this slippery-assed cuckling.
Posted by: ace

YouTube must have monetized his prostate. He loves getting paid for being their bottom.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 06:05 PM (c+2jX)

147 I saw Castification open for Confrontation Camp at The Forum in '98.

Posted by: ShainS at July 26, 2018 06:07 PM (7Ba/9)

148 The idea of Bill Kristol and his Democrat-felching
homo buddies trapped in a tin box on the high seas with hundreds of
Horde Morons fills me with laughter. I can just picture it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 06:04 PM (AzW6q)

Heh. As soon as we're well out to sea, Ace and everyone dons MAGA hats. Bill Kristol dissolves in a pool of tears.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:07 PM (ptqGC)

149 The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.

V. Lenin.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 26, 2018 06:07 PM (j5LcW)

150 Unless they're violating their own ToS, so long as they're just a company with a web-based service ..... why can't Farcebook do anything it wants? Pretty sure the legal answer is - they can. So that part of Trump's tweet must be incorrect - what's illegal about manipulating their own property any way they please?

Yeah yeah FB and Goolag et al should be treated like utilities, regulated monopolies - OK, maybe. But until they are, this is all so much whining. Ace can do anything he wants with this site, as can any proprietors with privately owned websites.

Not an academic point, a real world one. Fine to point out, mock, and pressure Twitter and FB on these things, but as complaining customers - not based on any legal issue, or even principle.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2018 06:08 PM (QDnY+)

151 YouTube is hoping to monetize Shapiro's sister's rack.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2018 06:08 PM (oVJmc)

152 Ace, off topic but you may want to comment on Ya Boi Zach's (Diversity and Comics) appearance on a "Comedy" Central show which turned into a hit-job. SJWs freaked out and shrieked that the hit-job was not rough enough, while D&C's fans roasted him for it. It is a good insight into the difference between SJWs who can't take criticism and normal people who can take teasing.

Posted by: DM at July 26, 2018 06:08 PM (CVpXk)

153 They're discussing Twitter and social media on Fox right now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:08 PM (ptqGC)

154 130 Can you comment on Instagram with your pic?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 26, 2018 06:02 PM (ZVFID)

I think so. You can upload videos there as well.

From what I've been reading today, Facebook hasn't cracked down there yet.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 26, 2018 06:09 PM (4ErVI)

155 Generally, I would wait to hear from the Cucks News Network and respected hard-nosed swinging-dick newsmen like Jake Tapper before I formulate an opinion, but they can't even handle their own in-studio loose shit these days.

Posted by: Fritz at July 26, 2018 06:09 PM (wjHbC)

156 Hello Horde,

As many of you saw, yesterday I put up a call for help in the GP Prayer list thread yesterday, as I was looking at looming homelessness within weeks.

Well, the Horde responded in an incredible fashion. I am simply amazed at the Community here. The generosity was overwhelming, and I would like to thank everyone from the bottom of my heart.

It was pretty dusty in here all of yesterday, and it is very dusty as I type this response.

I am proud to call myself a Moron, and to include myself as a member of the best community on the Web. If y'all don't mind, I will be dropping this note in each thread today.

Thank you all once again.

Tim

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 26, 2018 06:09 PM (b3Pum)

157 Wind chimes in the summer breeze is one of my favorite things.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 06:09 PM (ezX5B)

158 atomicplaygirl,

Thank you!!!

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (PA9oZ)

159 Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 06:00 PM (bUjCl)

They are a shoot first and ask questions later sort, if I catch your question correctly - very reactionary. They also have a huge problem with bookstuffing in Kindle Unlimited, and they haven't really been on top of it they way they should be until recently, when they started banning more people for it.

I can find the article if you are interested. Will take me a minute.

Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (Gim9y)

160 what about plagiarism laws ?
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 06:00 PM (bUjCl)
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runner, I can speak to this a bit because of the cookbook. Weasel, who is a very smart Weasel, did all the paperwork to incorporate us and obtain a copyright for our book. It's not automatically copyrighted unless you apply and pay a fee. So, we are protected here in the US and in countries that respect US copyright law.

However, I have a Google Alert set for the title and a couple of things have come up where someone overseas - in countries where US copyright law is not respected - has downloaded our book and is selling it themselves. There's nothing we can do about it. Weasel sent them a "cease and desist" letter but of course we heard nothing back.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (JJZzu)

161 >>>151 YouTube is hoping to monetize Shapiro's sister's rack.

there's gold in them thar hills.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (PA9oZ)

162 Facebook went after Snapchat in a bigly.. to make way for Instagram

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (bUjCl)

163 How'd they figure out that liberals have larger blocklists, and thus this strategy would be effective?

To gather this data, they must have hired an army of grievance studies majors to go through people's tweets, classify them as rightthink or wrongthink, and then give the length of their blocklist.

Posted by: Bear phone at July 26, 2018 06:11 PM (WrY3/)

164 Matt Gaetz just now on Fox: They're taking this to FEC as it is a kind of contribution to their opponents. Heh.

He said he, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan and one other Congressman --- all strong Trump supporters, all most critical of the Mueller investigation - were shadowbanned.

Twitter and the Left will regret their lawsuit against Trump blocking them.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2018 06:11 PM (W+vEI)

165 "Conservatives have prided themselves on not employing block lists, partly because they've complained of the practice being used against them in the past,"

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And it will continue to be so in perpetuity if you don't hit them good and hard. Good manners and forebearance have simply told the other side we are weak and wil do nothing.

You can't conduct a culture war by being polite.

Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 06:11 PM (CJmlv)

166 I have a modest proposal to try and get information about the problem and how to correct the issue.
Require publication of the metrics. There is a basis for "throttling" and it should be published. This should be accompanied by full statistics of who is being throttled and why. Then require that ANY person who has action taken against their account must receive notification and all information related to actions against their account.

Then turn the lawyers loose.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 26, 2018 06:11 PM (e1mEI)

167 I closed my Twitter account two years ago. Somehow, the sun still rose the next morning. I'm currently down to Gab and Facebook, and if I didn't belong to a club that uses FB exclusively to communicate, I wouldn't even be on there.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at July 26, 2018 06:11 PM (R85nB)

168 Ace -It's an honour to assist, my liege! *bows*
(and I didn't blow the margins, but thought about it! =)

Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 06:11 PM (Gim9y)

169 However, I have a Google Alert set for the title and
a couple of things have come up where someone overseas - in countries
where US copyright law is not respected - has downloaded our book and is
selling it themselves. There's nothing we can do about it. Weasel
sent them a "cease and desist" letter but of course we heard nothing
back.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (JJZzu)

It was my shrimp recipe, wasn't it?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:12 PM (ptqGC)

170 165. Yep. Retribution is not hypocritical.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 26, 2018 06:12 PM (fA1SL)

171 It's good to know that Sessions will publicly defend Rosenstein but not his president.

I'd he has not been captured by the swamp he has always been its creature.

Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 06:12 PM (CJmlv)

172 Youtube pushes Shapiro like crazy. The other day I had FIVE of his videos in my list of recommendations.

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Check this out - I discovered it by watching YouTube intermittently all night long for several weeks.

Lately, I've been putting on some cool conservative video or another to fall asleep to.

Then during my latest bout of insomnia, I was leaving it on for background noise as I vainly tried to sleep.

What I discovered: if you let it run all night, just pressing pause/play from time to time to keep it from timing out, you'll see how insidious they are. You start with something very right wing, and then it'll queue up a few similar ones.

Then, it'll move to a few by some NT cuck.

Then, it'll move to some centrist like Joe Rogan or Dave Rubin.

By morning, you'll be watching a CNN hagiography of Barack Obama.

This happened night after night.

They honestly believe this will subtly push people in their direction.

I don't think it works, but seriously - what a bunch of dickheads.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 06:12 PM (AzW6q)

173 I think the best approach is to kill these social media companies with the opt-in on privacy/data. That apparently is a big factor in Ye Faceplant these last two days.

Actually, in principle, I oppose basically attacking private businesses with regulatory shifts intended to nuke them - but I guess there's a semi-serious vanilla consumer protection/transparency argument for requiring full optionality on privacy/personal data in all transactions. I mean, even banks and other basic business institutions have to give you pretty high profile options on if/how they use your info/relationship - so maybe not such a big deal to require social media web companies to do the same thing.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2018 06:12 PM (QDnY+)

174 161 >>>151 YouTube is hoping to monetize Shapiro's sister's rack.

there's gold in them thar hills.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (PA9oZ)

Only if you've ever said to yourself, "Man, I wonder what Ben Shapiro would look like if he looked exactly like he does now but with massive volleyball sized tits?"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 26, 2018 06:13 PM (4ErVI)

175

There's nothing we can do about it. Weasel sent them a "cease and desist" letter but of course we heard nothing back.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (JJZzu)

don't tell me ...the Russians ?

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 06:13 PM (bUjCl)

176 Bwah! Son just showed me a "Trump text:"

"Deeply saddened by the news of Demi Lovato's overdose. Alexa, play Hate Being Sober by Chief Keef."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:13 PM (ptqGC)

177 169 However, I have a Google Alert set for the title and
a couple of things have come up where someone overseas - in countries
where US copyright law is not respected - has downloaded our book and is
selling it themselves. There's nothing we can do about it. Weasel
sent them a "cease and desist" letter but of course we heard nothing
back.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (JJZzu)

It was my shrimp recipe, wasn't it?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:12 PM

Yum!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2018 06:13 PM (0tfLf)

178 It was my shrimp recipe, wasn't it?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:12 PM (ptqGC)
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Yes. You can tell if it's a bootleg cookbook if it only has two copies of your shrimp recipe in it.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:14 PM (JJZzu)

179 I still don't get the business case for FB. Sure, I guess they get (lots of?) ad revenues, but enough to even come close to their valuation? They have expenses that are indexed to the number of users they have, so that's got to eat up a lot of capital; doesn't make sense to me. If half your valuation is based on hype, you're WAY overvalued.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 26, 2018 06:14 PM (ty7RM)

180 Conservatives have prided themselves on not employing block
lists, partly because they've complained of the practice being used
against them in the past, but these blocklists are now being used, if
Jim Hanson is right, as the basis for shadowbans.

Fuck that shit. I'm tired of our side being Boy Scouts. Boy Scouts don't win wars. Hell, they can't even keep the girl scouts from infiltrating their organization. Or other things. Being a Boy Scout means you willingly let the Left gut you and wear you as a skin suit (to paraphrase Iowahawk).

The Left plays for keeps. We need to do the same.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 26, 2018 06:14 PM (RRchO)

181 Let them ban whomever they want. Just require that they post, on every page, "We remove any content with which we disagree #Freedom4MeButNot4You"

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at July 26, 2018 06:14 PM (xQfPr)

182 I'm afraid of that line of thought because that would expose ME, too, to suit based on what a commenter says, but I'm willing to deal with that later.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:43 PM (PA9oZ

Would it really be an issue to you? I mean you would be responsible for what a cob says, but your comments section is incredibly open. No registration or sign in required. Most places at least have that, and I think they would need to go after all those places, like Facebook, Twitter, Wordpress, Youtube, Newspaper websites, ever before they would be able to go after you for something a jackhole here would say.

Posted by: buzzion at July 26, 2018 06:15 PM (lKs2v)

183
However, I have a Google Alert set for the title and a couple of things have come up where someone overseas - in countries where US copyright law is not respected - has downloaded our book and is selling it themselves. There's nothing we can do about it. Weasel sent them a "cease and desist" letter but of course we heard nothing back. "

Now I'm wondering how everything tastes with Curry added to it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2018 06:15 PM (k1TUh)

184 They honestly believe this will subtly push people in their direction.

I don't think it works, but seriously - what a bunch of dickheads.

***

Evan Thomas member of the left in good standing, estimated during the Bush years that the FNM was worth 15 points to the left in your average election. Basically, Texan politics would be nationwide politics otherwise.

Now consider how much crap the FNM has expanded on since then. Where would we be absent the FNM?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 06:16 PM (eSx+E)

185 Runner and whoever else is interested -

Here's the link from the Verge on Romance, KU, bookstuffing, cockygate and all sorts of salacious bits -
bit.ly/2KYq8M1

Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 06:16 PM (Gim9y)

186 slippery-assed cuckling

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2018 05:59 PM (PA9oZ)

You got a mouth like a $10 whore!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2018 06:16 PM (wYseH)

187 *harrumph*

*eyeroll*

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 06:16 PM (ezX5B)

188 Sorry, I can't help. I have never tweeted (twitted? twat? what is correct.) Never saw the point.

Never used facebook either.

But then, I do still use a quill pen.

Posted by: George LeS at July 26, 2018 06:17 PM (59GGI)

189 A Hollywood degenerate draws a naked Barron Trump and posts it on Twitter and is not even shadow banned.

Wouldn't this give the impression that conservative thought is illegal while pedophilia the next frontier.

Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 06:17 PM (CJmlv)

190 I have to go run errands, but you all play nice for a bit! I'll catch up on the thread when I get back, sorry. =(

Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 06:17 PM (Gim9y)

191 Most places at least have that, and I think they would need to go after all those places, like Facebook, Twitter, Wordpress, Youtube, Newspaper websites, ever before they would be able to go after you for something a jackhole here would say.
Posted by: buzzion at July 26, 2018 06:15 PM (lKs2v)

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Ah, but you forget our two-tiered system of justice - the law would be selectively applied like a mofo.

I'll get busted if I'm protesting the left and take one step out of line. One step.

They can torch cars and break up a chunk of the Capitol, and be released.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 06:18 PM (AzW6q)

192 Evan Thomas member of the left in good standing,
estimated during the Bush years that the FNM was worth 15 points to the
left in your average election. Basically, Texan politics would be
nationwide politics otherwise.

Now consider how much crap the FNM has expanded on since then. Where would we be absent the FNM?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 06:16 PM (eSx+E)

Which is precisely why the MSM needs to be brought up on charges of making unreported in-kind contributions to the Democrat Party. If D'Nesh D'Sousa needed to go to jail so does the head of CBS News. And all the rest.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 26, 2018 06:18 PM (RRchO)

193 168 Ace -It's an honour to assist, my liege! *bows*
(and I didn't blow the margins, but thought about it! =)
Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 06:11 PM

Dangit!

Posted by: The Margins at July 26, 2018 06:18 PM (eMmgj)

194 Would it really be an issue to you? I mean you would be responsible for what a cob says, but your comments section is incredibly open. No registration or sign in required. Most places at least have that, and I think they would need to go after all those places, like Facebook, Twitter, Wordpress, Youtube, Newspaper websites, ever before they would be able to go after you for something a jackhole here would say.
Posted by: buzzion at July 26, 2018 06:15 PM (lKs2v)
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We could get around that by having everyone use the nic "Lace Wigs."

Seriously though, I would hate hate hate for ace to get into any trouble for anything any of us would say. I think ace's point is that no one, including ace, claims that this site is "neutral."

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:18 PM (JJZzu)

195 "Harmful" accounts will then be shadowbanned by a process called "QFD." I don't know what that stands for. Update: Now I do. It stands for "Quality Filter Discrimination."

Wait, I thought "discrimination" was the worst thing in the world nowadays. Well, I guess it's OK when they do it.

Posted by: rickl at July 26, 2018 06:18 PM (sdi6R)

196

runner, I can speak to this a bit because of the cookbook. Weasel, who is a very smart Weasel, did all the paperwork to incorporate us and obtain a copyright for our book. It's not automatically copyrighted unless you apply and pay a fee. So, we are protected here in the US and in countries that respect US copyright law.

However, I have a Google Alert set for the title and a couple of things have come up where someone overseas - in countries where US copyright law is not respected - has downloaded our book and is selling it themselves. There's nothing we can do about it. Weasel sent them a "cease and desist" letter but of course we heard nothing back.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:10 PM (JJZzu)

Drone strike. Make Cookbook Great Again.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 26, 2018 06:19 PM (e1mEI)

197 Twitter, FarceBook, Google, ... etc are pretty clear in saying that they don't want the business of anyone who likes America. I wish Americans would just give these companies their wish and leave them. Let the asshole tech companies live with their America-haters. Sure, they'll still have bang up business in the cities and outside of the country, but they should really get on the shit-list in America. That is what they are.

As I said very long ago, it would be nice if Trump stopped using Twitter and started communicating through one of their competitors. Trump doesn't need Twitter. Twitter needs Trump.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 26, 2018 06:19 PM (ZVU3Y)

198 "Evan Thomas member of the left in good standing, estimated during the Bush years that the FNM was worth 15 points to the left in your average election. Basically, Texan politics would be nationwide politics otherwise.

Now consider how much crap the FNM has expanded on since then. Where would we be absent the FNM?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 06:16 PM (eSx+E)"

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30 points ahead.

Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 06:19 PM (CJmlv)

199 Yes. You can tell if it's a bootleg cookbook if it only has two copies of your shrimp recipe in it.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:14 PM (JJZzu)

Or if your lemon chicken recipe has exact measurements. In Austrian.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:20 PM (ptqGC)

200 O/T a bit: I spied a funny little article on Hufblo about the MO Senate race. Apparently the leftards are already claiming Russian hacking of Air Claire. Gearing up for a close election, no doubt.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 26, 2018 06:20 PM (ty7RM)

201 161 >>>151 YouTube is hoping to monetize Shapiro's sister's rack.

there's gold in them thar hills.
Posted by: ace

Speaking of which: You might find this amusing, Ace:

Joe Biden's niece -- pretty, blonde, skinny rich and WHITE -- got NO PRISON TIME for being caught red-handed while stealing $120,000. The ultimate example of "White Privilege." But because she's actually enjoying Liberal Mandarin privilege, no black activists will whine about it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5996609/ Joe-Bidens-niece-Caroline-avoids-jail-faced-felony-100-000-credit-card-scam.html

THIS is what should cause rioting in the black neighborhoods. But no.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 06:21 PM (c+2jX)

202 Seriously though, I would hate hate hate for ace to
get into any trouble for anything any of us would say. I think ace's
point is that no one, including ace, claims that this site is "neutral."

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:18 PM (JJZzu)

Yeah, but where does Ace have some secret algorithm for selectively deleting trolls and any other lefty viewpoints? That's the only way I see the analogy working.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 26, 2018 06:21 PM (RRchO)

203 OT - atomicplaygirl, sorry I never got back to you on sources of info for your father's home area/time period (occupied Poland, Silesia, in the "General Government"). As usual I'm buried in books on WWII, currently the eastern front, but I haven't researched the issue much.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2018 06:21 PM (QDnY+)

204 A Hollywood degenerate draws a naked Barron Trump and posts it on Twitter and is not even shadow banned.

Wouldn't this give the impression that conservative thought is illegal while pedophilia the next frontier.

Nah.

Conservative thought is banned, ANTI-conservative thought is fine.

It's the fact that it's trashing the Right that makes it okay. They'd never let a Lefty politician's kid be maligned.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2018 06:21 PM (oVJmc)

205 @atomicplaygirl - thanks, I'll take a look

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2018 06:22 PM (bUjCl)

206 I speak with confidence when I say I can never be banned from twatter, fakebook, yourtub, or similar. That would be an insult to my integrity. Now getting banned once from here is a quirk on my life resume. Getting reinstated was like cool water in the Sahara.

Posted by: Eromero at July 26, 2018 06:22 PM (zLDYs)

207 Caste system? Really??

But then... look who's writing the code - dudes who come from the culture that invented it.

Posted by: weew at July 26, 2018 06:22 PM (gk7if)

208 Or one could just not use Twitter.

Novel, I know.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 26, 2018 06:22 PM (jWe5r)

209 Yeah, but where does Ace have some secret algorithm for selectively deleting trolls and any other lefty viewpoints? That's the only way I see the analogy working.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 26, 2018 06:21 PM (RRchO)
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My comment wasn't about an ace version of shadowbanning, it was about the possibility of getting sued for something that someone here said.

See his comment at 45.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:23 PM (JJZzu)

210 OR~

Conservatives could just quit using Twitter and even consider generating a competing platform that is unfriendly to liberal actors.

I don't understand why people give a damn about twitter.
I consider it a bias confirmation and ego stroking tool.
Use it if you need that. Ignore it if you don't.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at July 26, 2018 06:23 PM (P+Ru9)

211 James Comey will find that Twitter did not intend to shadowban people, much like Hillary did not intend to leak classified information as if her Depends popped open.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2018 06:23 PM (hNICT)

212 207. By the girthy trunk of Ganesha, I swear that is a lie!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 26, 2018 06:24 PM (fA1SL)

213 Caste system? Really??

But then... look who's writing the code - dudes who come from the culture that invented it.

Posted by: weew at July 26, 2018 06:22 PM (gk7if)

Hey! The hippies were all about "equality" and they looked to the Indians for social and spiritual guidance. Of course, the hippies also had a secret desire to be able to have their wives immolated alive on their own funeral pyres ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 26, 2018 06:25 PM (ZVU3Y)

214 Like every revolution (Agricultural, Industrial) the laws lag behind the changes wrought. This is also true in the technological revolution...we are going through a huge transition.

However, a number of tech companies should have already had Anti-Trust laws applied. Bcz we haven't done so, they are outta control. Between Obama and a complacent Congress, nothing was done when it should have been, so now we are dealing with The Borg, basically.

Thanks Obama. For another job not done.

Posted by: platypus, gumdrop gorilla channel at July 26, 2018 06:25 PM (ezX5B)

215 It's good to know that Sessions will publicly defend Rosenstein but not his president.

I'd he has not been captured by the swamp he has always been its creature.
Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 06:12 PM

The one or two times he's been asked publicly about Russian collusion, he starts stuttering, blinking, fidgeting. He gets very nervous, acts intimidated and scared. I think he's compromised. The Deep State is blackmailing him. Whatever it is, it got him recusing himself in a nanosecond without telling Trump first. Not a peep out of him since then. Neutered Jeff.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at July 26, 2018 06:25 PM (2NqXo)

216 I don't understand why people give a damn about twitter.
I consider it a bias confirmation and ego stroking tool.
Use it if you need that. Ignore it if you don't.
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at July 26, 2018 06:23 PM (P+Ru9)

I always thought twitter was solely a mechanism for self-harm. Like, if you wanted to get fired and ruin your life, you would use twitter to post something stupid or racist, and BOOM your life is ruined.

Because that's the only way I've ever seen it used.

Twitter is like a razor blade in the hands of a goth teenage girl.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 06:25 PM (c+2jX)

217 My comment wasn't about an ace version of
shadowbanning, it was about the possibility of getting sued for
something that someone here said.

See his comment at 45.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:23 PM (JJZzu)

My apologies bluebell. That's what I get for not reading this in context and going off half-cocked.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 26, 2018 06:26 PM (RRchO)

218 We are railing against things when we should actually be filing a class action lawsuit! Make them own up to the fact that they are not a content-neutral publishing venue but they are editing content. It may lead to some interesting liability dangers for them.

Posted by: A Reggaeman at July 26, 2018 06:26 PM (NciVs)

219 I am going to bring charges against President Donald J. Trump for Shadow Obstruction of Justice ...

Posted by: Robert Mueller, Investigator Extraordinaire at July 26, 2018 06:26 PM (ZVU3Y)

220 the girthy trunk of Ganesha
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 26, 2018 06:24 PM (fA1SL)

And somewhere, a commenter's new nick springs into existence.

~the circle of life~

Posted by: hogmartin at July 26, 2018 06:26 PM (y87Qq)

221 The awesome thing here is that the country is really starting to wake up and realize that the people who do mental gymnastics and Crow on and on about diversity and inclusion are the first ones to silence anyone else's opinion they disagree with. With that in mind it is not too far of a leap to imagine after witnessing all the violence against conservatives in this country that if given the chance, the left would indeed bring up concentration camps and begin executing people they didn't like.

We live in very dangerous times and I really sincerely hope that all of this hateful rhetoric coming from the left which will absolutely result in somebody being killed if it hasn't already, will stop.

The other side of that coin is that if they don't stop We Begin burning down their f****** life just like they are doing right now.

I am in no way advocating violence, but it should be stressed that up until now, it has been nothing but left wing assholes marching in the streets chanting that they want Cops dead, and following people to their homes and harassing them. I firmly believe that they will set off a Tinder Box that they severely wish they hadn't. It will not end well for anyone but especially organizations that have done nothing but incite violence and hate.

Posted by: Dime 333 at July 26, 2018 06:26 PM (aR6C/)

222 Evan Thomas' figure was (unavoidably) just pulled out of thin air. Though, as was pointed out, it would completely change national politics (even at half, 7.5 points, it would do that).

But it's actually a bigger problem than that.

It's not just that short-term electoral results are distorted by the unbelievable distortion in the press. It's that the very framework in which many, many voters even try to think (if they do) about issues is false.

And yet there are stubborn anomalies, where clear public opinion simply will not comply with the orders from the Beltway or the press. Illegal migration or "sanctuary" lawlessness, for example. Yet the press distortion is a major reason it's taken decades for these two issues to become politically important (biggest single reason for Trump's amazing break-through to the nomination). And even NOW ..... the "GOP-controlled" House, generally, is still very out of step.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2018 06:27 PM (QDnY+)

223 Abandoning the platform merely cedes it to the enemy.

Sue to have it declared a public utility.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2018 06:27 PM (oVJmc)

224 Yeah, but where does Ace have some secret algorithm for selectively deleting trolls and any other lefty viewpoints? That's the only way I see the analogy working.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 26, 2018 06:21 PM (RRchO)

To be fair, ace did ban himself that one time.

TBH3K is a cruel master.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 26, 2018 06:27 PM (dEQP3)

225 Thinking more about it while fixing something to eat, one thing we ought to do is like what Zombie described above. Create some online sites like Investigate the Media and then make a lot of noise with them. What if we had a bunch of those around the country? Pushing our issues and pointing out the bias. Then when someone gets a hit on an issue, everyone amplifies it. Use other online personas to further push it.

It's what the Left does and it works. It's somewhat like United Frontism because it gives the perception that there are all these groups united against any given issue (which became an issue because they ginned it up in the first place), but really it's a core group of people with an agenda. Why not our agenda?

I don't know maybe it wouldn't work. It would take serious coordination and discipline.

I know Zombie made it work because I'm pretty certain I saw her stuff long before I met her here. The gay parade thing I definitely saw that elsewhere. In more than one place too.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 26, 2018 06:27 PM (4ErVI)

226 So true, zombie

I'd like to see a tally of all the lives & careers that been ended by one bad tweet. It'd look like the Vietnam Memorial.

Posted by: weew at July 26, 2018 06:27 PM (gk7if)

227 My apologies bluebell. That's what I get for not reading this in context and going off half-cocked.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 26, 2018 06:26 PM (RRchO)
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Isn't that the de facto position for all of us here?

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:28 PM (JJZzu)

228 Abandoning the platform merely cedes it to the enemy.

They can have it. They can choke on it.

Sue to have it declared a public utility.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2018 06:27 PM (oVJmc)

I am very much against this sort of thing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 26, 2018 06:28 PM (ZVU3Y)

229 Twitter is like a razor blade in the hands of a goth teenage girl.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 06:25 PM (c+2jX)

Stolen.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:29 PM (ptqGC)

230 Yer damn right I ordered the Shadow ban!

Posted by: Jack Jessup at July 26, 2018 06:29 PM (vDqXW)

231 "Twitter knew damn well they were once again letting left-wingers determine who could post on Twitter, while pretending these decisions are being made simply by an "algorithm" having absolutely no political bias to it."

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Algorithms, schmalgorithms! They've got enough worker bees dedicated to micromanaging the ban lists. This gives the lefties meaning to their lives while the rest of us have real jobs and lives and little time to play political games.

Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 06:30 PM (CJmlv)

232 Yes Ace banning xir furry self was a memeroable event

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2018 06:30 PM (hNICT)

233 "Using" Twitter - with no ill effects - is easy.

Just find people who have good info a/o analysis, and check in on them. No need to join. There is some good, and at least interesting, stuff there. Real meat. But you have to look for it, and bring some understanding to the topic.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2018 06:30 PM (QDnY+)

234 the girthy trunk of Ganesha

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 26, 2018 06:24 PM (fA1SL)

And somewhere, a commenter's new nick springs into existence.

~the circle of life~

Posted by: hogmartin at July 26, 2018 06:26 PM

---

I hunger......

Posted by: The Girthy Trunk of Ganesha at July 26, 2018 06:30 PM (JUOKG)

235 I'd like to see a tally of all the lives & careers that been ended by one bad tweet. It'd look like the Vietnam Memorial.
Posted by: weew at July 26, 2018 06:27 PM (gk7if)

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I was once denied employment because I DON'T use social media.

No kidding.

No way around it! Use it, don't use it... you're screwed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2018 06:30 PM (AzW6q)

236 Twitter is like a razor blade in the hands of a goth teenage girl

But don't you dare actually tweet that, because a mob of goth teenage girls will then doxx you and picket your place of work/business.

Posted by: weew at July 26, 2018 06:31 PM (gk7if)

237 229 Twitter is like a razor blade in the hands of a goth teenage girl.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 06:25 PM (c+2jX)

Stolen.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2018 06:29 PM (ptqGC)

I was just about to say that was a good one.

Posted by: rickl at July 26, 2018 06:32 PM (sdi6R)

238 If someone wants to go after Twitter the best way is to hold them criminally liable for the fraud they pull on advertisers with fake clicks and bullshit numbers. There's been enough of that to send the board and the whole upper echelon of the company away for decades.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 26, 2018 06:32 PM (ZVU3Y)

239 1. Liberals could not understand this over the course of their lifetime.

2. Conservatives know they are being fukd with.

3. What is the point of wasting the Internet on this?

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2018 06:32 PM (JFO2v)

240 I get the frustration, Jolly Roger. But most of us on the right (and I include myself) don't have the inclination to attack things the way the lefties do - shriek, yell, make a lot of noise, hurl epithets and accusations, relentlessly and without regard to the truth. I honestly don't know how they have the time and the stomach for such stuff, but they do.

So they can successfully take over a good thing through sheer perseverance, and make it a bad thing. It's rare that our side can do the same.

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm not going to become a shrieking banshee. Heck, I don't have any social media at all. This place is my social medium.

Posted by: bluebell

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We're wired that way (and I include myself) but it's a form of laziness.

Liberals take politics way more seriously than we do, and while that may not be so healthy for the psyche, it means suddenly if you support traditional marriage or don't want a man in your daughter's bathroom, you can completely lose your livelihood. They take scalps and know how to make people bend the knee.

So we need to fight even if it means getting outside of our comfort zones.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 26, 2018 06:32 PM (UfkIY)

241 226 There has to be a hundred famous cases, no telling how many how many without a platform.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2018 06:32 PM (pHfeF)

242 Girthy trunk - Michael Moore or Lena Dunham?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2018 06:33 PM (hNICT)

243 Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 06:21 PM (c+2jX)

There is so much wrong there.

Daily Mail. Doing the reporting that the FNM won't do.

$110K. At a phamarcy?

Trendy pharmacy?

Told friend she wanted to borrow the CC for a $672 purchase?

Opened an account. At a pharmacy?

Has been to anger management and drug addiction counseling.

John Edwards was right.

Posted by: golfman at July 26, 2018 06:33 PM (If3tB)

244 238 If someone wants to go after Twitter the best way is to hold them criminally liable for the fraud they pull on advertisers with fake clicks and bullshit numbers. There's been enough of that to send the board and the whole upper echelon of the company away for decades.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 26, 2018 06:32 PM (ZVU3Y)

Wouldn't that be wire fraud?

And it's a charge for every time it's happened. Could be thousands of charges.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 26, 2018 06:33 PM (4ErVI)

245 If half your valuation is based on hype, you're WAY overvalued.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 26, 2018 06:14 PM (ty7RM)

Leave Tesla out of this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at July 26, 2018 06:33 PM (8DwPe)

246 Conservatives have prided themselves on not employing block lists.....but I think more of us all the time are getting red pill or woke or whatever the kids are calling it.

Once you remove yourself from a firehose of liberal commentary like cable TV you tend to be sensitive to anything that puts that deluge of hate back in your life. If I was on twatter, and I'm not, I would use the hell out of block-lists.

Posted by: Neil deGrasse It's not rape if I'm wearing the dress Tyson at July 26, 2018 06:34 PM (1L9V9)

247 I know Zombie made it work because I'm pretty certain I saw her stuff long before I met her here. The gay parade thing I definitely saw that elsewhere. In more than one place too.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

A Belgian gay porn site reposted some of those pictures over and over for months -- actually "hotlinked" them, so the traffic load was on my server. As a result, the photos racked up millions and millions of views -- apparently it was one of the major gay porn hubs in all of Europe. From there, the pics were reposted evvvvverywhere, and still circulate to this day. But not as political-outrage photos, but simply as jack-off material for pervs.

The Internet is the real-world manifestation of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 06:34 PM (c+2jX)

248 Not sure how effective lawsuits would be. Earlier this year, A Federal Judge found against Dennis Prager in his lawsuit alleging that You Tube violated its advertised policies when it banned some Prager University videos.

Posted by: mercenary13 at July 26, 2018 06:34 PM (x5AV8)

249 Just quit- let the left echo the left, if that's what they pathetically need.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 26, 2018 06:35 PM (87EdW)

250 OT - kinda interesting, Mexican Prez-elect seems to be moving at warp speed to prep for closing a new trade deal (do not know the details, but assume US is getting what it wants).

Meanwhile, Canada is adrift, no movement on that side, apart from retaliation.

Ima think it's not the *best* strategy to be one of the last large trade partners to make your deal (EU, Mexico - would leave China and Canada).

Leverage, muthascratcha, do you speak it?

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2018 06:35 PM (QDnY+)

251 "All twitter has to do is remove this shadowban from the Ben Shapiro and David French types' accounts, while leaving them on everyone else's account, and the Ben Shapiro and David French types will never say a damn word again about it."

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The Left strictly polices their ranks to make sure nobody strays. We should also do the same to those nominally on our side.

Anyone so-called Republican who appears on any show and does not attack Dems and the Left or worse still, attacks other Republicans and/or conservatives should be pilloried, pelted with rotten fruit and vegetables and publicly disowned.

Self identification as Republican should not be allowed to anyone who has not contributed to the cause in word or deed.

Enough!

Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 06:35 PM (CJmlv)

252 Trump fighting back against leftist censors must surely be an impeachable offense.

I saw zombie commenting above, so hopefully she/he will see this comment - I visited some of your photo posts out of curiosity. I saw things I can never forget. *thousand yard stare with a tear rolling down my face*

Why haven't you escaped to flyover country and away from that horrible place?

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at July 26, 2018 06:36 PM (YIO84)

253 If someone wants to go after Twitter the best way is to hold them criminally liable for the fraud they pull on advertisers with fake clicks and bullshit numbers. There's been enough of that to send the board and the whole upper echelon of the company away for decades.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 26, 2018 06:32 PM (ZVU3Y)

Yup. It's like the line in The Client about going after the mob attorneys for mail fraud for false billing. It's not sexy but it's got teeth.

Not to mention having the benefit of being a very valid claim indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 26, 2018 06:36 PM (dEQP3)

254 The better answer to all this is to ban companies from selling your personal information at all without your explicit approval.

Facebook and twitter would die overnight.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2018 05:47 PM (eSx+E)

No need to ban.

Just have some "users" sue the company for selling their information without recompense.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at July 26, 2018 06:36 PM (8DwPe)

255 Good points, but yeah, I think ultimately we are going to just have to effectively live in cabins.

That, or revolution. Which I don't think we have the stones for.

Posted by: ace

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What about a big step beneath a violent revolution and simply push some laws that protect conservatives like we have for say transvestites? I mean if a tranvestite got run out of Red Hen, they would be sued into oblivion.

Are we so wed to our ideology of "free market does whatever the hell it wants" that we can't maybe pass a law or two that doesn't allow open platforms and businesses to discriminate based on the ideology of half the country?

It seems a lot easier to me than shooting people.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 26, 2018 06:36 PM (UfkIY)

256 >>But most of us on the right (and I include myself) don't have the inclination to attack things the way the lefties do - shriek, yell, make a lot of noise, hurl epithets and accusations, relentlessly and without regard to the truth.

Mike Cervovich does this stuff. He can be annoying with all the self-promotion, etc., but he is pwning the Left using their rules. He used twitter to crowdsource James Gunns' (and other Hollywood types) twitter feed and he made it a national story.

Same goes for Project Veritas.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2018 06:36 PM (W+vEI)

257 Fuck it, regulate them like utilities akin to other communication platforms such as telephone providers and treat them like public conveniences like bakers and wedding photographers

You are not going to build a ubiquitous, pervasive and globe spanning conservative or eve neutral alternative to these companies as twitter, google and Facebook have numerous patents on on most aspects as they were first to market and would either sue an upstart out of business or buy them.

The only reason they haven't moved against gab is because gab is less than a flea to them, if gab were to grow to be seen as a threat gab will be smashed in court or acquired.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 26, 2018 06:37 PM (FquqN)

258 A Belgian gay porn site reposted some of those pictures over and over for months -- actually "hotlinked" them, so the traffic load was on my server. As a result, the photos racked up millions and millions of views -- apparently it was one of the major gay porn hubs in all of Europe. From there, the pics were reposted evvvvverywhere, and still circulate to this day. But not as political-outrage photos, but simply as jack-off material for pervs.

The Internet is the real-world manifestation of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2018 06:34 PM (c+2jX)

You should've had ads up for all that traffic!

I saw them over on PJ Media. One of the commenters there posted a link to it (with a NSFW/NSFL tag). I saw another link on another conservative site. I know I've seen various people talking about them when the issue comes up.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 26, 2018 06:37 PM (4ErVI)

259 Fox doing a panel discussion on this right now

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2018 06:38 PM (pHfeF)

260 re-posting my own comment, because Morons seeking info and analysis ought to try it, for Twitter:

"Just find people who have good info a/o analysis, and check in on them.
No need to join. There is some good, and at least interesting, stuff
there. Real meat. But you have to look for it, and bring some
understanding to the topic."

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2018 06:38 PM (QDnY+)

261 I must admit that there's a special something about a guy who came here on an H1B Visa, who is enjoying the fruits of our society in a way that would be impossible where he came from, talking about how he can ban "rednecks" from talking to other Americans about God, guns or America.

There I said it.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 26, 2018 06:38 PM (koNhm)

262 What about a big step beneath a violent revolution
and simply push some laws that protect conservatives like we have for
say transvestites? I mean if a tranvestite got run out of Red Hen, they
would be sued into oblivion.

Are we so wed to our ideology of "free market does whatever the hell
it wants" that we can't maybe pass a law or two that doesn't allow open
platforms and businesses to discriminate based on the ideology of half
the country?

It seems a lot easier to me than shooting people.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 26, 2018 06:36 PM (UfkIY)

Hear, hear!

Posted by: LGoPs at July 26, 2018 06:39 PM (RRchO)

263 So we need to fight even if it means getting outside of our comfort zones.
Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 26, 2018 06:32 PM (UfkIY)
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I agree with you, but generally speaking, I think that those on our side have a lot more responsibilities - family, work, caretaking for both children and elderly parents, etc. - than the loudmouths on the left who do most of the shrieking. It would be a full-time job to counter them and as far as I know, we don't have a George Soros type to write the checks.

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:40 PM (JJZzu)

264 So the only real solution, I think, is for conservatives to start making their own block-lists and blocking leftwinger en masse, so that everyone is shadowbanned according to the "How many users block you?" metric, thus forcing Twitter to abandon it, or just confess they're in the business of blocking conservatives.

Ah, but then Twitter will weight the blocklists by how many people who are shadowbanned subscribe to it. So the people who are late in the game to blocklists will not influence the righteous people.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 26, 2018 06:40 PM (9qZ3S)

265 All twitter has to do is remove this shadowban from the Ben Shapiro and David French types accounts

All Masser Dorsey be need to do is let them good negros go off plantation.

Not gonna happen! Never! Let one out of prison or off the farm and they all take off!

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2018 06:40 PM (JFO2v)

266 "They will always try to impose a negative caste system on American citizens, making some high caste and others low caste, and we must insist that there is only one caste and employ every tool at our disposal to frustrate their efforts at castification."

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Class warfare is the real game in town, that's why "Republicans" like Ana Navarro, Jennifer Rubin, bill Kristol, Michael Steel et al need to identify and agree with high class Dems to be accepted in their club.

This was perfectly illustrated by Strzok in his infamous text where he said he could smell Trump voters in a Walmart.

Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 06:41 PM (CJmlv)

267 nood

Posted by: LGoPs at July 26, 2018 06:41 PM (RRchO)

268 261 I must admit that there's a special something about a guy who came here on an H1B Visa, who is enjoying the fruits of our society in a way that would be impossible where he came from, talking about how he can ban "rednecks" from talking to other Americans about God, guns or America.

There I said it.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 26, 2018 06:38 PM (koNhm)

Oh I've said it before as well, but not as artfully as you just did.

Believe me, I noticed when that story broke.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 26, 2018 06:41 PM (4ErVI)

269 https://lidblog.com/twitter-censors-conservatives/

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2018 06:42 PM (pHfeF)

270 @264
Yeah it's a losing proposition, then can write and re-write algorithems and code to achieve pretty much any result they want.

These leftist love them some government regulation let's give it to them good and hard.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 26, 2018 06:42 PM (FquqN)

271 >>I must admit that there's a special something about a guy who came here on an H1B Visa, who is enjoying the fruits of our society in a way that would be impossible where he came from, talking about how he can ban "rednecks" from talking to other Americans about God, guns or America.

Yup.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2018 06:42 PM (W+vEI)

272 than the loudmouths on the left who do most of the shirking

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2018 06:42 PM (JFO2v)

273 255
Are we so wed to our ideology of "free market does whatever the hell it wants" that we can't maybe pass a law or two that doesn't allow open platforms and businesses to discriminate based on the ideology of half the country?

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 26, 2018 06:36 PM (UfkIY)

I know this isn't a popular thing to say, but repealing a lot of anti-discrimination laws would go a long way towards restoring individual liberty in this country.

That is, after all, the source of "bake the cake or be ruined".

Posted by: rickl at July 26, 2018 06:42 PM (sdi6R)

274 Just have some "users" sue the company for selling their information without recompense.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at July 26, 2018 06:36 PM (8DwPe)
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Could they though? Don't you pretty much sign away all your rights when you create an account at one of these places?

Posted by: bluebell, now with Extra Class at July 26, 2018 06:42 PM (JJZzu)

275 I gotta call bullshit on this. I consider myself "to the right of Genghis Khan" and I block like crazy. Block early, block often. I've blocked thousands. And muted hundreds of terms. no time for idiots. Makes the internet a more pleasant experience. ;-)

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 26, 2018 06:45 PM (RCWzf)

276 WeaselDog somehow has two followers on Twitter.

@realweaseldog

Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2018 06:45 PM (MVjcR)

277 Sue them and point out their crap for all to see. At the same time switch to competitor sites (gab.ai ?). You get PDT and enough others to do that and suddenly it's not so much fun for them. At any rate, stop playing their games by their rules and being polite about it. The dynamic- they call the tune and we dance to it- needs to change.

Posted by: usmc4ever59 at July 26, 2018 06:45 PM (5XaAK)

278 talking about how he can ban "rednecks" from talking to other Americans about God, guns or America.

There I said it.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 26, 2018 06:38 PM (koNhm)

I want to go to America so I can be Free to oppress the right of others.

the converse

I want to go to India so I can more Honorable by killing my sister for dishonoring my family.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2018 06:46 PM (JFO2v)

279 A Hollywood degenerate draws a naked Barron Trump and posts it on Twitter and is not even shadow banned.

Wouldn't this give the impression that conservative thought is illegal while pedophilia the next frontier.

Nah.

Conservative thought is banned, ANTI-conservative thought is fine.

It's the fact that it's trashing the Right that makes it okay. They'd never let a Lefty politician's kid be maligned.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2018 06:21 PM (oVJmc)

If the feds are not at that guy's door arresting him for child pornography, Trump isn't doing his job as a father. That is so far beyond the pale.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 26, 2018 06:47 PM (imSgd)

280 Kate Winsletts boobs @ 252- KWB, if zombie left there how the hell would we know what a cesspool it was? I say zombie is doing yeomans labors for the rest of us. Ain't NO freaking way I'd go to that miserable city. I'm thankful zombie does this disgusting work so we don't have to. I hereby nominate zombie for an award similar to the CIA Wall Of Honor.

Posted by: Eromero at July 26, 2018 06:48 PM (zLDYs)

281

Just have some "users" sue the company for selling their information without recompense.

I'd like to see a section where the user gets to describe limits as to which types of information are permitted and for what price. The more invasive and intrusive, the higher the price. There should also be full disclosure of each and every method of information (both hardware and software) that's gathered, preferably with an annual report of same.

It's the social media monopolies who should be on a short leash, not the rest of us. We have a right to privacy that God gave us regardless of what some Constitutionally-illiterate radical leftard judge says.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 26, 2018 06:50 PM (HaL55)

282 Never signed up for Twatter. Indeed, the only times I've ever even looked at anything on that site was when Ace or one of the cobs posted a link to someone's post there on this or that subject.

First thing I noticed was that the leftie stupid really and truly burns there, with the heat of a thousand suns. If I had an account there, I'd get shadowbanned, outright banned, kicked out, whatever in no time, because it would be so easy to leave the lefties whimpering like whipped pups. These people could not make a cogent argument if their fucking lives depended on it. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Except I'd be the one who'd get kicked out in short order. Not worth it, just as Farcebook is not worth it.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at July 26, 2018 06:51 PM (oiwwc)

283 I'll block all you faggits on the baseball ground!

Posted by: kallisto at July 26, 2018 06:52 PM (WLeoI)

284 Haven't been on twitter for a while but there was a block list made up for conservatives like the ones the left has.

Someone should go ask Katica (https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst) to post the list again.

Posted by: pogoka at July 26, 2018 06:55 PM (w/bVh)

285 279 A Hollywood degenerate draws a naked Barron Trump and posts it on Twitter and is not even shadow banned.

I do not want to live in a country where perverts cannot think bad thoughts about 12 YOs. Next you know the mohammedans cant rape little girls in England.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2018 06:55 PM (JFO2v)

286 It's not just conservatives getting filtered. Free thinkers like Sargon and Tarl Warwick are on the block. IOW anyone outside their circle jerk of approved groupthink.

Posted by: kallisto at July 26, 2018 06:58 PM (WLeoI)

287 I recommend blocking Brianna Wu and Anita Sarkessian let them run into the QFD filters

Posted by: chad at July 26, 2018 06:59 PM (IJkXq)

288 Know what's sad? This hurts Twitter, Facebook and all the other social media bottom lines. Look at what happened to Faceplant over the last couple days. Twitter "could" face a similar fate, but, Jack (who's a total asshole, more so than Suckerburg.)

If they'd just let people post, without all the SJW crap they'd be making bank. Investors would be happy. Users, for the most part, would be happy.

I'd rather see innovation make money than make war.

Sadly, Twitter, Facebook, Google, et. al. have poisoned the well. It didn't have to be like this.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 26, 2018 07:00 PM (iiixZ)

289 It wouldn't surprise me if Snoozy was cooperating with Mueller against Trump.

Posted by: kallisto at July 26, 2018 07:03 PM (WLeoI)

290 Is ace off the twatter for good?

Posted by: kallisto at July 26, 2018 07:05 PM (WLeoI)

291 "I must admit that there's a special something about a guy who came here on an H1B Visa, who is enjoying the fruits of our society in a way that would be impossible where he came from, talking about how he can ban "rednecks" from talking to other Americans about God, guns or America.

There I said it.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 26, 2018 06:38 PM (koNhm)"

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India is a very class stratified country and the people who arrive on the H1B visa are middle class so their identification with the American ruling class is a given regardless of the pay scale.

And why shouldn't it stick in the craw of most of those who were made jobless so these workers could be imported?

Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 07:11 PM (CJmlv)

292 Twitter's growth has peaked! Once forensic analyst's, not these Wall Street snake oil analysts, figure out how many fake Twitter accounts [out of 332 million 1st qrtr. 2018] there are, the stock will tank like Facebook!

Posted by: hstad at July 26, 2018 07:12 PM (uywSX)

293 "It wouldn't surprise me if Snoozy was cooperating with Mueller against Trump.
Posted by: kallisto at July 26, 2018 07:03 PM (WLeoI)"

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He may very well be doing so though if anyone had anything it would have been exposed in a nanosecond to save the Republic, of course.

They've got nothing, there is nothing. The Cohen tapes have nothing. The point of the whole charade is to drag this out as long as possible to gin up media ratings and keep Mueller and his lawyers in sweet taxpayer millions.

Posted by: Decaf at July 26, 2018 07:19 PM (CJmlv)

294 I don't believe in being a$$holes like the Left...
But have said that, I did enjoy blocking two are just fine with the attempted coup against Trump.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at July 26, 2018 07:57 PM (Q4jRP)

295 Ace's strategy in Twitter blocking (despite opposing it philosophically) in order to minimize the effectiveness of blocking is analogous to Trump's philosophy on tariffs.

Posted by: TheMascotArmy at July 26, 2018 08:03 PM (IAGvD)

296 No, the answer isn't making your own lists, the answer is getting Comgress, or just whatever agency oversees the internet for the government to outlaw shadow banning. Shadow banning is fraud, swindling its victims out of their time.

I believe I'm shadow banned on YouTube. I'm not sure if my posts can't actually be seen but they NEVER get a response or a thumbs up. I've gotten about 2 responses in the last year and a half both of which amounted to "Shut the fuck up." I presume they came from some minder there at YouTube.

Posted by: jb at July 26, 2018 08:10 PM (BOLKF)

297 Well, ace, I was going to comment, but the absolute failfactory that is pixy's comment code doesn't like it and gave me 20 lines of error code. I get to hire IT people; I don't know who pixy is, but the comment section of this site will earn anyone claiming it as a resume point an instant trip to the circular file.

Posted by: SDN at July 26, 2018 08:24 PM (z3gg+)

298 QFD: Quarantined from Democrats?

Posted by: DinsdalePiranha at July 26, 2018 08:34 PM (/ODi8)

299 203
OT - atomicplaygirl, sorry I never got back to you on sources of info
for your father's home area/time period (occupied Poland, Silesia, in
the "General Government"). As usual I'm buried in books on WWII,
currently the eastern front, but I haven't researched the issue much.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2018 06:21 PM (QDnY+)

Probably a dead thread, but thanks for remembering me, rhomboid!! =)

Posted by: atomicplaygirl at July 26, 2018 09:07 PM (Gim9y)

300 Move to gab.ai
Move to gav.ai
Move to gab.ai.
LEAVE TWITTER FOREVER!

Posted by: Aelishdad at July 26, 2018 09:15 PM (bPQ3r)

301 i second (third? fourth? I didn't slog thru all 300 comments) the notion of using twitter solely to do these block lists of libs so as to make them get a taste of their own medicine. I've never used twitter, dont have an account, but if me and all other like-minded morons who are on this thread (and other morons) were to have a handily supplied list of accts to block, by crackey I'd sign up for twitter and go to town on the blocking. anyone care to make up such a list?

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