Liberals, NeverTrumpers Freak Out About Americans' Belief in a "Deep State"

Morning Joe was in a tizzy about this a couple of days ago.

The poll shows "bipartisan" concern over a Deep State.

Public Troubled by 'Deep State'
Monday, March 19, 2018
Bi-partisan concern that government is tracking U.S. citizens
West Long Branch, NJ -- A majority of the American public believe that the U.S. government engages in widespread monitoring of its own citizens and worry that the U.S. government could be invading their own privacy. The Monmouth University Poll also finds a large bipartisan majority who feel that national policy is being manipulated or directed by a "Deep State" of unelected government officials.
Americans of color on the center and left and NRA members on the right are among those most worried about the reach of government prying into average citizens' lives.
...
Fully 8-in-10 believe that the U.S. government currently monitors or spies on the activities of American citizens, including a majority (53%) who say this activity is widespread and another 29% who say such monitoring happens but is not widespread. Just 14% say this monitoring does not happen at all. There are no substantial partisan differences in these results.
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Turning to the Washington political infrastructure as a whole, 6-in-10 Americans (60%) feel that unelected or appointed government officials have too much influence in determining federal policy. Just 26% say the right balance of power exists between elected and unelected officials in determining policy. Democrats (59%), Republicans (59%) and independents (62%) agree that appointed officials hold too much sway in the federal government.
"We usually expect opinions on the operation of government to shift depending on which party is in charge. But there's an ominous feeling by Democrats and Republicans alike that a 'Deep State' of unelected operatives are pulling the levers of power," said Murray.

The reaction from the left and the Establishment right is one of near horror: They seem to view this idea that unelected bureaucrats have a lot of power in making policy -- much more than their charter actually grants them -- as a conspiracy theory almost the equal of Trutherism.

Is it? Hasn't this been, oh what's the right word, a standard Republican claim made for about 40 years or so?

For those conservative-identifying people who sniff that a belief in a determined, liberal/progressive cadre which rigs the game to favor the liberal/progressive cause, let me ask a few questions.

I won't ask these questions of liberal/progressives, who are unapologetic about their support for a maximally powerful hyperstate. I ask them only of conservative-leaning people now aghast at the "conspiracy theory" of a Deep State, precisely because those people have generally agreed that unelected bureaucrats have far too much (unconstitutional) power over policy for quite some time.

From around 1948 to just last year, as a matter of fact.

So here then, some questions:

1. Do you believe that the EPA is heavily staffed by activist liberals who wish to interpret or even invent laws to favor the radical environmentalist side of things?

I know most conservative-identifying people have expressed support for this proposition, or at least pretended to believe it in their daily job as spokesmen for Conservatism, Inc.

If you still believe in this proposition -- why do you claim it's conspiratorial nuttiness to claim that the upper echelons of the DOJ, FBI, IC and even military high command, ponds stocked with Obamaite fish for 8 years straight, could similarly have a strong political interest and might push their agenda, without constitutional authority to do so, through their bureaucratic and managerial decisions?

2. Do you believe that the Office of Civil Rights in the Justice Department is a pond stocked with very liberal fish, who push their politics, again without constitutional authority to do so, through their bureaucratic and managerial decisions?

If you believe the OCR has been stocked with Obamaites, why is it insane to think that the higher ranks of the DOJ might have been similarly stocked?

Even among career bureaucrats, promotions in the top positions not the result of blind testing or a strict seniority system, are they? Nope.

3. Do you believe the Department of Education has been stocked with liberal/progressive bureaucrats who push for things like sex ed and bizarre quasi-judicial rape courts?

This is another case where I've gotten the distinct impression that the conservative Establishment believes this, or at least pretends to in public utterances.

If the DOEd can be captured, why not the DOJ? Do you believe that "prosecutors and LEOs are almost always conservative?" Well, if you believe that, you're flat-out wrong, and kinda embarrassingly so.

4. In 2003, unknown members of the CIA chose to probe the question of whether Saddam Hussein sought -- sought, not bought -- uranium in Niger. The person they decided to send to answer this question was... Clinton loyalist Joseph Wilson, who was, coincidentally enough, the husband of archliberal, "Jews start all the wars" conspiracy theorist Valerie Plame (or Valerie Plame-Wilson).

I know for a fact that many Establishment types thought this was a cook-the-books scheme by liberals in the CIA, because this was a major controversy in 2004, with most Establishment Republicans agreeing that Joe Wilson was a biased investigator and the fact that he had been hand-picked for this venture showed a biased intent from the beginning.

Why is the Intelligence Community now beyond question by polite society? Is it that only Bushies know when the IC is ratf***ing them? Are Trump supporters too ill-educated and unsophisticated to similarly posit the IC might be ratf***ing their guy?

5. In 2007, aghast that Bush had gone to war against Iraq, even though their own intelligence justified the war, the Intelligence Community decided to cook the books in order to deny Bush any justification for a military strike on Iran by issuing a National Intelligence Estimate claiming that there wasn't any evidence Iran was seeking a nuclear weapon.

This of course represented a complete reversal of their previous analyses, and the IC itself reversed itself a couple of years later by deciding that the threat of an Iranian nuke was no so dire and so close to fruition that nothing short of secret bilateral talks with Iran were now necessary.

In just four years, the IC went from claiming Iran was hotly pursuing a nuke, to claiming (just for Bush) that they weren't, to reassessing once Obama was safely ensconced in the Oval Office and deciding, "Hey, maybe we were right the first time; maybe they were developing a bomb all along, and now we need to negotiate with them and make Gigantic Concessions to delay their bomb by just a few years."

Do the Establishment types who view the idea of an IC Deep State as lunatic thinking deny they themselves believed the IC Deep State was deliberately rigging the intelligence to stay Bush's hand in 2007?

If so, that would be news to me: they seemed to believe that in 2007, 2008.

Why the change of heart now?

Can I suggest an alternate reading things which does not require people to believe things in 2016 and then suddenly claim that a belief in such things in 2017 is prima facia proof of insanity?

Can I suggest that maybe the Establishment knows full well that there is a Deep State, and that there are, here and there, liberal Republican members of that Deep State, and they trust those liberal Republican members?

And can I suggest further they also know there is a much bigger liberal/progressive Deep State, but they are currently politically aligned with that bigger Deep State on the one issue they care about: Impeaching Trump?

And so the question isn't really "Is there a Deep State?" -- spoiler alert, there is -- but "Should we go along with the Deep State because hey, they're on our side this time?"

Matter of fact, one underemployed Twitter activist admitted as much:

Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics. But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state.
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 14, 2017

Well fellas, they may be on your side, but I don't see them as being on mine. So I oppose them, the same way I've always opposed the liberal/progressive Deep State.

The same way you used to oppose the liberal/progressive Deep State until you found them useful for your short-term political agenda.

But #MuhPrinciples are eternal and unchanging, huh?

I don't expect any answers, because these are the sorts of questions that people who are intellectually dishonest won't answer, because they know an answer would damage their stated position.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 04:22 PM

Comments

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1 Bold analysis, Ace! Now to hear what the Italicans have to say about the subject.....

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 22, 2018 04:24 PM (XKZwp)

2 These are bold statements..... had to be said.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 22, 2018 04:24 PM (C+R83)

3 I like my posts like I like my coffee. Bold and black.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 04:24 PM (AzW6q)

4 6-in-10 Americans (60%)

LOL.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 04:25 PM (8gDQu)

5 Boooo now no one will get my joke!

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 22, 2018 04:26 PM (XKZwp)

6 Insult sidebar link is wrong, should be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_pP6hBdqec&t=9m34s

I just stumbled across it because I listen to D&C also (thanks to Ace).

Posted by: moviegique at March 22, 2018 04:26 PM (7zeA4)

7 Morning Joke in a tizzy

STOP THE PRESSES!!

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 04:26 PM (FZYNt)

8 They admitted there was a deep state.Kristol said he rather the country was run by the deep state than Trump iirc.

Posted by: steevy at March 22, 2018 04:26 PM (LiyEm)

9 David brooks speaking here tonight. $122 so I'm sure everyone wants several tickets. Brought here by one of our tranny baptist churches to unite the community. Tons of seats left.

Posted by: NCKate at March 22, 2018 04:27 PM (1l010)

10 Formika and Schmoo can go f**k themselves...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 22, 2018 04:27 PM (O2RFr)

11 At this point, it's pretty much irrefutable fact.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 22, 2018 04:27 PM (NWiLs)

12 Im not worried. Billie Cristal and Jonah G have assured me everyone at the FBI and CIA are stand up guys, just like Comey.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2018 04:27 PM (/mFQ3)

13 10 Formika and Schmoo can go f**k themselves...
Posted by: It's me donna

not as easy as you suggest..

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 04:27 PM (FZYNt)

14 Old:

Soviet Union/Russia is not a threat.

Question Authority.

New:

The Russians are coming!

How dare you question your betters?

Posted by: Papist Bograt at March 22, 2018 04:28 PM (Fa3cJ)

15 >>>They admitted there was a deep state.Kristol said he rather the country was run by the deep state than Trump iirc.

yes I thought about including that but I had to get a post up and didn't feel like looking through that insignificant pest's twitter ravings.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:29 PM (8rNrN)

16 hi

Posted by: An Observation at March 22, 2018 04:29 PM (UR3h8)

17
Oh its Deep alright, and Cold too.

I mean that in both the old joke way and in the way govt looks at its citizens as serfs.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 22, 2018 04:29 PM (r+sAi)

18 Unfieerable bureaucrats who feel that they can take down a president.

So yeah call it what you want, but Deep State is accurate.

Just think about the John Doe investigations up in the snow billy state. That was a cluster farg of criminal scale.

The Deep State Rules.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 22, 2018 04:29 PM (ymnmz)

19 Obamaites

Vic likes Obamanites.
Obamanians might be a dog-whistle.
Cocksuckers always works.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2018 04:29 PM (FhXTo)

20 12 Im not worried. Billie Cristal and Jonah G have assured me everyone at the FBI and CIA are stand up guys, just like Comey.
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Yeah, when NR speaks its like GOD.

Posted by: Gumby at March 22, 2018 04:29 PM (2LelM)

21 19. Obamanations works.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 22, 2018 04:30 PM (fA1SL)

22 So the rampant insubordination to PDT, the unlawful leaks to media are all totes ok? That even members of his own party are guilty of this malfeasance? And this is a surprise that people believe that these "deep state" people are entrenched into the government - trying desperately to maintain a status quo, keep their cushy job where they can surf donkey porn 7.5hrs a day until they can retire?

SMOD -you are up.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 22, 2018 04:30 PM (jxbfJ)

23 Somewhere a cuck masturbates to old episodes of Hawaii Five-O.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 22, 2018 04:30 PM (4ErVI)

24 Turning to the Washington political infrastructure as a whole, 6-in-10 Americans (60%) feel that unelected or appointed government officials have too much influence in determining federal policy.

All of the legal defense funds out there, they are looking for people with court of appeals experience because the court of appeals is where policy is made. And I know this is on tape and I should never say that because we don't make law. I know. [giggling] Okay, I know. I'm not promoting it. I'm not advocating it. I know. [more giggling] -- Wise, Empathetic Latina, Sonia Sotomayor (known to the Senate before she was confirmed!!)

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 04:30 PM (8gDQu)

25 Man, ace, could you go easy on us? All we're doing is making sweet, sweet, rat-love, and you have to turn that beautiful act into a pejorative?

Go manfuck yourself, buddy!

Posted by: Rizzo the Rat at March 22, 2018 04:30 PM (jjaLl)

26 This issue reminds me of Ralph Peters letting his Never-Trump Freak Flag Fly the other day. Slink off and go suck Bill Kristol's dick some more, asshole. It's all you're good for anymore.

(he let slip that he believes everything in the Dirty Dossier is True, because the FBI would Never Lie, or something)

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 22, 2018 04:30 PM (k1TUh)

27 I used to be very skeptical of the deep state theories. Oh sure I would reason, there might be one rogue asshole here or there. But until all this crooked shit with the whole Hillary e-mail and Russia bullshit cam to light. I am all in. I don't trust any of these institutions, and it's sad frankly.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 22, 2018 04:30 PM (7qnb5)

28 changed my mind, the kristol quote is a great button-up.

Thanks for suggesting it.

Added it.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:31 PM (8rNrN)

29 I see Ace is boldly going where no man has gone before!

Posted by: Publius Redux at March 22, 2018 04:31 PM (Fb9aZ)

30 We will not be ignored.

(boils a bunny)

Posted by: Deep State at March 22, 2018 04:31 PM (ymnmz)

31 Wonder how this poll would have resulted if asked to Congress?

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:31 PM (48QDY)

32 Let's not leave out the fascism. Deepstate partner and Reichbank wanna be Citibank is apparently going to do its part to shit on the 2nd amendment by requiring merchants not to sell bumpstocks, firearms to those under 21, background checks and scary high capacity magazines.

Posted by: Keith at March 22, 2018 04:31 PM (USf3s)

33 Posted this earlier....but I think it appropriate to this discussion.
Look, had someone found body parts in Hillarys sock drawer, the MFM would have trumpeted:
"MISSING PERSON FOUND! HILLARY INSTRUMENTAL IN LOCATING! A GRATEFUL NATION THANKS!"
Put a torch to the whole evil thing.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at March 22, 2018 04:32 PM (LOq4H)

34 You're welcome.

Posted by: steevy at March 22, 2018 04:32 PM (LiyEm)

35 I used to be very skeptical of the deep state theories. Oh sure I would reason, there might be one rogue asshole here or there. But until all this crooked shit with the whole Hillary e-mail and Russia bullshit cam to light. I am all in. I don't trust any of these institutions, and it's sad frankly.
Posted by: Minnfidel

Editorial cartoons in the 1970s joked about how the civil service was there forever, while presidents cam and went every for years.

None of this is new.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at March 22, 2018 04:32 PM (Fa3cJ)

36 >>>29 I see Ace is boldly going where no man has gone before!

dude! It hasn't been bold for like six minutes of the seven it's been up.

i'm being persecuted for a youthful indiscretion with html

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:33 PM (8rNrN)

37 If there isn't a deep state, then why in hell are we paying billions for all those bureaucrats?

The shitfarm costs plenty.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:33 PM (7UW64)

38
Any of you old codgers remember when I was young and hot?

Posted by: The Military Industrial Complex at March 22, 2018 04:33 PM (lKyWE)

39
The one that really pissed me off about the EPA, besides shitting in their office and poisoning rivers, was not their evil bureaucrats power kicks against a puddle on some guy's land, but their so-called enviro org cohorts who would sue them and the EPA would settle on purpose and give them millions.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 22, 2018 04:33 PM (r+sAi)

40 this is why PDT will win again in 2020

Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 22, 2018 04:33 PM (y3aQB)

41 Vote against all Republican incumbents in the primary, and against all Democrats in the general.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2018 04:34 PM (QQ+il)

42 The shitfarm costs plenty.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:33 PM (7UW64)

By "shitfarm" I assume you're talking about the hallways at the EPA.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 04:34 PM (8gDQu)

43 It is absurd to think that all the bureaucracies mentioned above act in any way that would diminish the power they have accumulated over the past 40, 50 or 100 years. That is what the deep state is and they oppose everyone who is not them or making them more powerful.

Posted by: huerfano at March 22, 2018 04:34 PM (EtMVh)

44 You know, I don't trust polls.

I think we need a nationwide referendum directing the President to use all available means to eliminate the deep state as it is an existential threat to our liberty.

You know, just to see if folks are serious.

Posted by: Methos at March 22, 2018 04:34 PM (XQvuQ)

45 The establishment has been a problem since at least the revolutionary war. My kin rode with light horse Harry Lee, the occasional ly fought Brits, but mainly they dealt with backslidding Rich folk in the tidewater area. Of course, the over the mountain boys did so with some calm reasoning and logic, but mostly with fire, rope, and hot pitch.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2018 04:35 PM (MS0+a)

46 Only Killer Joe and Mika the Parrot could be aghast at this concept.

Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at March 22, 2018 04:35 PM (RD7QR)

47 1. Do you believe that the EPA is heavily staffed by activist liberals who wish to interpret or even invent laws to favor the radical environmentalist side of things?

Is this a trick question?

Posted by: dantesed at March 22, 2018 04:35 PM (88xKn)

48 44. Heh. Shades of 11 September 1973.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 22, 2018 04:35 PM (fA1SL)

49 Oh Lord, can you please arrange for all 3 of the just people in Washington DC to be out of town when you drop a giant rock on the rest of them?
Amen.

Posted by: An Observation at March 22, 2018 04:35 PM (UR3h8)

50 Editorial cartoons in the 1970s joked about how the civil service was there forever, while presidents cam and went every for years.

None of this is new.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at March 22, 2018 04:32 PM (Fa3cJ)

When I worked at the Corps, we would get a new commanding officer every three years. None of them had a clue about what the Corps was up to, nor did any of them particularly care. The Corps was nearly entirely civilian anyways, and career folks had been there for upwards of 30 years had not done a lick of work for 29. It was all run by bureaucrats who were not elected or even military, and mission creep was real.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:35 PM (7UW64)

51 Preach it Ace.

Posted by: The Choir at March 22, 2018 04:35 PM (sX1BW)

52 Most people at federal agencies lean left, many hard left. And that causes Deep State bias.

But there's an Inner Inner Party that rules the D party. They decided on Hillary for 2016, and made it so.

And there's often cabals at work that are small, and run by puppetteers. That's what Trump is facing off with the hydra that includes the Mueller investigation.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (n+6mJ)

53 1. Do you believe that the EPA is heavily staffed by activist liberals who wish to interpret or even invent laws to favor the radical environmentalist side of things?

Aided and abetted by the courts, let us not forget.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (8gDQu)

54 About the only way you can fight the Deep State is to shrink as much money and responsibility from DC as possible. Should be an easy conservative goal to remember.

Unfortunately too many on our side are still stuck in the 70's and 80s and think "our" Big Government like the CIA, FBI, and Pentagon are still in the tribe.

We keep handing more and more power and money over to them, all under the idea that because Democrats would rather spend the money on other things, it means its a victory for Team Republican.

Posted by: Maritime at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (lKmt3)

55 I used to be very skeptical of the deep state theories. Oh sure I would reason, there might be one rogue asshole here or there. But until all this crooked shit with the whole Hillary e-mail and Russia bullshit cam to light. I am all in. I don't trust any of these institutions, and it's sad frankly.
Posted by: Minnfidel

Editorial cartoons in the 1970s joked about how the civil service was there forever, while presidents cam and went every for years.

None of this is new.
Posted by: Papist Bograt at March 22, 2018 04:32 PM

Maybe it was willful ignorance on my part that we had a better government than we do. A nostalgia for the way things could or should be. I trust none of them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (7qnb5)

56 Ugh, Bill Kristol again.

Posted by: DaveD at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (P5fqQ)

57 Ah yes, Joe Wilson who wrote an op ed saying one thing that got a lot of coverage and then testified under oath to the exact opposite. And then there was Ronald Reagan who wanted to end the cold war but agreed with Wine Stain in Iceland that the Deep State was going to fight that plan to the end. The only way to end it turned out to be complete economic warfare with the oligarchs ending up on their feet.

Posted by: New Phone at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (EWLyK)

58 i'm being persecuted for a youthful indiscretion with html

We're way past youthful indiscretion. It's part of the business model now. Like Stormy's tits.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (FhXTo)

59 27
I used to be very skeptical of the deep state theories. Oh sure I would
reason, there might be one rogue asshole here or there. But until all
this crooked shit with the whole Hillary e-mail and Russia bullshit cam
to light. I am all in. I don't trust any of these institutions, and it's
sad frankly.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 22, 2018 04:30 PM (7qnb5)

******
You need to look to local government as the true bulwark of protection of your rights, life and liberty! You could move to Broward County . . I understand the Sheriff's Office there is excellent!

Posted by: Publius Redux at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (Fb9aZ)

60 should I be asking Major-General Robert Ross to pay DC another visit?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (7fqJk)

61 Bill Kristol was terrible in City Slickers

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (km8Y2)

62 39
The one that really pissed me off about the EPA, besides shitting in their office and poisoning rivers, was not their evil bureaucrats power kicks against a puddle on some guy's land, but their so-called enviro org cohorts who would sue them and the EPA would settle on purpose and give them millions.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

And how the windmill owners got away with killing endangered and migratory botds.by the thousands.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2018 04:37 PM (MS0+a)

63 I'll wager Me-cow and Jerky never heard about Eisenhower's observations about the military industrialist complex.

Posted by: Damned Yankee at March 22, 2018 04:37 PM (37IEG)

64 dude! It hasn't been bold for like six minutes of the seven it's been up.

i'm being persecuted for a youthful indiscretion with html

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:33 PM (8rNrN)

And you control the only ladder in the barrel.

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:37 PM (48QDY)

65 47 1. Do you believe that the EPA is heavily staffed by activist liberals who wish to interpret or even invent laws to favor the radical environmentalist side of things?

Is this a trick question?

Posted by: dantesed at March 22, 2018 04:35 PM (88xKn)

y'know, the folks who leaked an old mine into a river turning it the same shade of orange as Boehner's "tan."

Those folks.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:37 PM (7UW64)

66 My fist + Bill Kristol's pie hole

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2018 04:37 PM (ptqGC)

67 Oh its Deep alright, and Cold too.

I mean that in both the old joke way and in the way govt looks at its citizens as serfs.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 22, 2018 04:29 PM (r+sAi)

THE JOKE ISN'T FUNNY IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT.

Posted by: BEN ROTHLISBERGER at March 22, 2018 04:37 PM (QQ+il)

68 I was going to say I don't get why Trump is such an existential threat but, upon further reflection, yes, I do.

Trump is the rejection of the notion that those in the political class, by dint of their education, upbringing, and social status, deserve to have power and deserve to rule.

Furthermore, Trump is the repudiation of the very notion that those in the political class are better people of great intellect and superior values.

Of course they are lashing out. Trump represents the annihilation of their very reason for being.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM (mf5HN)

69 Maybe it was willful ignorance on my part that we had a better government than we do. A nostalgia for the way things could or should be. I trust none of them.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 22, 2018 04:36 PM (7qnb5)

Consider...

Why would the IC be any different than the Post Office?

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM (48QDY)

70 Manhattan Privilege covers all bets. The machinery of government never gets replaced, ergo, those that run it are more in power than those supposedly in charge of it.

Posted by: Gumby at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM (2LelM)

71 THE JOKE ISN'T FUNNY IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT.

Posted by: BEN ROTHLISBERGER at March 22, 2018 04:37 PM (QQ+il)

It was backwards, anyway.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM (8gDQu)

72 The term "deep state" is in fact putting lipstick on the pig.

It is a very sanitized term for what in reality is the situation.

I mean look at the term Fake News.

It came from the media first as a weapon to delegitimize Trump. Who coordinates the media like that? Journolist? Think Journolist on steroids.

Posted by: simplemind at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM (C6xeQ)

73 This is one of the few things I agree on with my friends from the Democrat Party.

Have these people never read the Anti-Federalist papers? Madison's Convention Notes?

They feared a bureaucracy that was out of the people's control.

Were they all "conspiracy kooks"?

Kristol should just come out as an dick-munching authoritarian, Banana Land Republic supporter.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM (VpIIl)

74
THE JOKE ISN'T FUNNY IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM (FZYNt)

75 Off sock.

Posted by: SH at March 22, 2018 04:39 PM (sX1BW)

76 30 round magazines are standard capacity not "high" capacity. 10 round magazines are LOW capacity.

Don't use the left's terminology.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2018 04:39 PM (pw+jk)

77 "...That's all right. We know where you've been..."

Posted by: Taqyia2Me at March 22, 2018 04:39 PM (Ftuf+)

78 Trump is the rejection of the notion that those in the political class, by dint of their education, upbringing, and social status, deserve to have power and deserve to rule.
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Trump is Jackson in this instance. He is also Teddy Roosevelt and Calvin Coolidge. Don't forget, he rolls all three into an FDR political platform.

Posted by: Gumby at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (2LelM)

79 Consider...

Why would the IC be any different than the Post Office?
Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM

I know, I just didn't want to believe how bad it has become I suppose, naive on my part for sure.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (7qnb5)

80 When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of ...

If we can not trust our governance there is always the bill of rights...

When do decide again that we are not being represented by our government?

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (0OmEj)

81 5. In 2007, aghast that Bush had gone to war against Iraq, even though their own intelligence justified the war, the Intelligence Community decided to cook the books in order to deny Bush any justification for a military strike on Iran by issuing a National Intelligence Estimate claiming that there wasn't any evidence Iran was seeking a nuclear weapon.

This of course represented a complete reversal of their previous analyses, and the IC itself reversed itself a couple of years later by deciding that the threat of an Iranian nuke was no so dire and so close to fruition that nothing short of secret bilateral talks with Iran were now necessary.

In just four years, the IC went from claiming Iran was hotly pursuing a nuke, to claiming (just for Bush) that they weren't, to reassessing once Obama was safely ensconced in the Oval Office and deciding, "Hey, maybe we were right the first time; maybe they were developing a bomb all along, and now we need to negotiate with them and make Gigantic Concessions to delay their bomb by just a few years."
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^ This.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (ATVNj)

82 I'll say one thing for SNL. They do a great bit on Mika, with her deep sighs, eye rolls, mumblings...

Such a professional.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (ptqGC)

83 Kristol doesn't like the fact he can no longer jerk somebody off in the shower to have them change policy or listen to him dribble.

He lost his grip on reality, so to speak.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (VpIIl)

84 >>>
Trump is the rejection of the notion that those in the political class, by dint of their education, upbringing, and social status, deserve to have power and deserve to rule.

Furthermore, Trump is the repudiation of the very notion that those in the political class are better people of great intellect and superior values.

Of course they are lashing out. Trump represents the annihilation of their very reason for being.

...

yes, and I think you meant this, but it's less about Trump than about the fact that the voters looked at the choice between a clown and the "elites" of the establishment and said: Clown seems like he knows better than these other clowns.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (8rNrN)

85 I think that it was not an organized Deep State to begin with. But the goal of the progressives was to find those obscure weak institutions and infest them live a virus. These centers of power have been growing since late seventies, getting larger and more leftist.

Over the course of years they would cross pollinate with employees and begin to knit at the edges, working off books toward the same goals.

Now there is significant overlap and I think that they are trying to flex their big muscles for the very first time, like a break out maneuver, or a cancer busting a cell wall. The Deep State is not hiding their actions they just pushed all their chips into the center of the table and said, "No conservative, no republican, now and never again."

And there are many elected official on the right, who have wilted in the face of this fight.

Mueller is the face of it. If his charade can be ended throguh self immolation, then the tide may recede.

I know he's floppin around looking for anything to hold on to, but I am frustrated that he's still there given that his mandate was built on lies from the loser's of an election.

We live in a banana republic now.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (ymnmz)

86 Must have been a good movie.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 22, 2018 04:41 PM (TI1a/)

87 THE JOKE ISN'T FUNNY IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT.

IRISH COMPASSION:
A man was sitting on a blanket at the beach. He had no arms and no legs. Three women, from England, Wales, and Ireland, were walking past and felt sorry for the poor man.

The English woman said, 'Have you ever had a hug?' The man said, 'No,' so she gave him a hug and walked on.

The Welsh woman said, 'Have you ever had a kiss?' The man said, 'No,' so she gave him a kiss and walked on.

The Irish woman came to him and said, 'ave ya ever been fooked laddie?' The man broke into a big smile and said, 'no'. She said, 'Aye ... ya will be when the tide comes in.'

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2018 04:41 PM (n+6mJ)

88 after 9/11, there was a lot of talk, by like instapundit and such, about how the old "elites" felt pushed aside and disregarded in favor of a new elite -- of first responders, soldiers, seamen, marines, and airmen.

They felt a Status Crisis and lashed out.

The same thing is going on here. 11/9 is the dying establishment's 9/11.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:41 PM (8rNrN)

89 Want proof we are being monitored? Just look at the case in Austin.

They admitted that they got his cell phone number because they had his location and time at the Fed Ex. Note, he did NOT make a phone call there, but his phone was ON... so they got the number because it WAS talking to a cell tower... even without him calling.

He then turned his phone off, and they could not find him...

He turned it back on, to make his 'video confession'... but made no calls... and just by turning his phone on, they found out what hotel he was at, and sent the SWAT Team.

Now the ONLY way this is possible, is if they are tracking ALL cell phone locations... and logging that information into a quickly searchable data base...

NSA's facility in Bluffdale is now online.... you know, that super duper Data Center?

If you have a cell... your location is now known to the government.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 22, 2018 04:41 PM (NgKpN)

90 Trump represents the annihilation of their very reason for being.

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Its just that concrete. And more. Trump has the power and the means, and the necessity to do real personal damage to deep staters. He has to annihilate them, in order to protect his family. They can't just let Trump win without extracting a price. It would encourage too much freedom.

Posted by: simplemind at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (C6xeQ)

91 It takes A LOT for me to well and truly hate someone.

I hate Bill Kristol.

And back in high school I used to like it when he came on tv.

*sigh*

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (72PAC)

92 When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of ...

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (0OmEj)

*furiously scribbles notes*

Posted by: Bob at NSA at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (48QDY)

93 Mika and Joe are just government butt sniffers.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (Sda6L)

94 Not really on point - since I don't take any of the people you're targeting seriously anyway - but both the Wilson thing and the Iran nuke NIE were examples of Bush Admin. incompetence/cowardice as much as they were crude "deep state" insubordination attempts (and they were).

Wilson had very superficial contact with the targets, his report was basically a nothingburger, and his claim to have touched the British estimate on Iraqi intentions WRT Niger or uranium was absurd. And obviously so. But pointing this out was beyond the ability of the entire administration. (and reason #358 that Dubya should have canned George after 9/11, but that's technically a separate issue)

The NIE debacle was a truly damaging failure by the administration (tied for first with their abiding by the second Hamdan v. Bush ruling of SCOTUS, which brazenly usurped the treaty power). Not making a crisis of that, and revamping the IC, was serious dereliction of duty. And many within shouting distance of the process shouted so, at the time.

All that boring esoterica aside, I am dismayed by the very long-standing pernicious impact of a "deep state," but I am just about beyond panic and into capitulation about the pernicious impact of a non-responsive political branch (Congress). And the electorate that enables it, seemingly regardless of what happens.

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (2835Q)

95 74

THE JOKE ISN'T FUNNY IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM (FZYNt)

Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (pw+jk)

96 They're like bugs scurrying around when you lift up the rock. Sorry 'boys' nowhere to hide.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (o7tuA)

97 Is it the Deep State, or is it The State?

I don't see many in government, ie The State, fighting for the people.

I see plenty of self-serving people in government, top to bottom, politicians to bureaucrats to media throne sniffers.

Posted by: davidt at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (djCea)

98 74
THE JOKE ISN'T FUNNY IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT.
Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 22, 2018 04:38 PM (FZYNt)
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IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE AMY SCHUMER NEVER EXPLAINS WHY A JOKE IS FUNNY BUT I ALWAYS DO.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (ATVNj)

99 The biggest problem that caused the Deep State to really take hold and become a major threat is the lifetime tenure of federal judges and the fact that Congress has never exercised any control over those federal judges that have gone totally batshit, anti-Constitutional loony.

Sure, there is always going to be the issue of full time staffers at the various agencies, but it's been the courts that have really turned this country upside-down and have been fighting against the Constitution and the Legislature and Executive - only from the Left, of course, because that is the main difference between leftist judges and conservative ones.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (8gDQu)

100 if you be wantin' old jokes, boyo, then watch Norm MacDonald's take on the Moth Joke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6QzDrT_x8

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:43 PM (8rNrN)

101 I'll say one thing for SNL. They do a great bit on Mika, with her deep sighs, eye rolls, mumblings...

Such a professional.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (ptqGC)

NBC - Self-Sustaining?

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:43 PM (48QDY)

102 Those guys are fags!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli, Political Analyst at March 22, 2018 04:43 PM (8rNrN)

103 Yeah, this isn't a thing just among Republicans. Heck, watch "Mr. Robot" sometime. The villains there are corporate executives, and the show's flaming left-wing, but the concept is basically the same as "Deep State": the ones behind the scenes who run everything. You can argue that it's not a real thing, but this is a common trope of American politics throughout living memory and earlier.

Posted by: T at March 22, 2018 04:44 PM (MmeCn)

104 Clown seems like he knows better than these other clowns.

Clowns are entertaining, shitheels are not. And dumpster fires will at least keep you warm for awhile as We go under.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2018 04:44 PM (FhXTo)

105 What's odd is that it used to be the Left who wore tin-foil hats about vast government conspiracies.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2018 04:44 PM (n+6mJ)

106 The State is in Deep Shit

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 22, 2018 04:44 PM (hMwEB)

107 The Deep State is NOT a new problem:

"...He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures...

...He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither...

...He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance...

...He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation...

...For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent...

...For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever..."

Nothing new under the sun. Our forefathers solved this.

"When in the course of human events..."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 04:45 PM (AzW6q)

108 watching Hitler's Circle of Evil

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 22, 2018 04:45 PM (hMwEB)

109 Kristol Meth - stay home and off Twatter - you're drunk.

The more they scream, the more it confirms what we know to be true.

Posted by: Cheri at March 22, 2018 04:45 PM (oiNtH)

110 Clown seems like he knows better than these other clowns.
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Clown seems like he actually likes the Country and its citizens and isn't out to destroy it just so he can make a buck off the fire sale, unlike the Hilbot.

Its pretty logical really.

Posted by: simplemind at March 22, 2018 04:45 PM (C6xeQ)

111 yes, and I think you meant this, but it's less about Trump than about the fact that the voters looked at the choice between a clown and the "elites" of the establishment and said: Clown seems like he knows better than these other clowns.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (8rNrN)

Yup. How dare those plebes reject us! How dare those plebes notice that we think they are plebes!

I forget who it is that it turns out his wife worked for the Rose Law Firm and, seriously, seriously, how does the political class in DC not all have kids with hemophilia?

The Hapsburgs look over and sniff inbred much?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 22, 2018 04:46 PM (mf5HN)

112 101 I'll say one thing for SNL. They do a great bit on Mika, with her deep sighs, eye rolls, mumblings...

Such a professional.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2018 04:40 PM (ptqGC)

It's the deep sighs, eye rolls, and mumblings that Joe finds so sexually satisfying

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 22, 2018 04:46 PM (+087i)

113 I am happy to do or believe pretty much anything that will piss the liberals off.

Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2018 04:46 PM (MVjcR)

114 Meet the new deep state same as the old deep state.

Posted by: dantesed at March 22, 2018 04:46 PM (88xKn)

115 i'm being persecuted for a youthful indiscretion with html

When you're young and have that urgency that young men have a simple html handjob can be more meaningful than full-on sex from java or flash in your middle age.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 22, 2018 04:46 PM (fuK7c)

116 It's all about them. A generation of people and their acolytes who feel they are better than the judgement of the voters. Who believe an insist they are recognized as some type of elite, or new Illuminati.

What they don't care to understand, or care for is that status is precisely what the Framers feared. Even Washington feared being made a "king" and almost did not accept the presidency.

Now these elites don't like that they've been turned aside. Especially for what they believe is a buffoonish character- Trump. But he is exactly the embodiment of what the American people want- a return to Constitutional government and American values that the depp state has turned us away from. No, strike that, what they have shamed, cajoled, legislated and deliberately push us out of.

They think it's a big F-You to them. And you know what- it is. The harder they push back, the more I want to see them writhe in pain.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 22, 2018 04:46 PM (VpIIl)

117 Where can a guy get a good cup of hot paste around here?

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 22, 2018 04:47 PM (pw+jk)

118 Great discussion, but I need to wander down to the bus stop and get the grandson....see you at the ONT.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at March 22, 2018 04:47 PM (LOq4H)

119 Vote against all Republican incumbents in the primary, and against all Democrats in the general.
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solid advice

Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2018 04:47 PM (9oJYp)

120 108 watching Hitler's Circle of Evil

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getting annoyed at how often they say "right-wing"

the German Worker's Party is right wing, uh-huh

btw us Goering pronounced "Gearing"?

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 22, 2018 04:47 PM (hMwEB)

121 Voltaire had an elegant solution to this problem: hang a few from time to time. It keeps the rest in line.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 22, 2018 04:47 PM (+087i)

122 Hey Ace, remember when what’s his name McAdams or something left the DoJ and said that under Holder every single new hire had to have experience in civil rights litigation? No matter what they were being hired for?
(Rhetorical question)

Posted by: New Phone at March 22, 2018 04:47 PM (PcXTI)

123 114 Meet the new deep state same as the old deep state.
Posted by: dantesed

careful, you don't want to hear from my lawyers

Posted by: P.Townshend at March 22, 2018 04:48 PM (FZYNt)

124
I don't see many in government, ie The State, fighting for the people.

I see plenty of self-serving people in government, top to bottom, politicians to bureaucrats to media throne sniffers.

Posted by: davidt at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (djCea)

This.

I'm a government employee, currently on my lunch hour.

In my first employee review, my "boss" stated that I was slowly learning the government system and attitude. IOW, I wasn't being the worker bee they wanted. I kept worrying about how to serve the customer, i.e. the public, who depend on me to produce the documents they need to contract with the state. How dare I?

As if the reason for being for the state is to perpetuate its own bureaucracy and rules and etc., instead of serving the public who pays the bills.

And of course all these jobs are unionized, so there's a whole other set of bureaucrats running the compensation side of things.

It's a racket. And, unfortunately, I have a conscience. So, loggerheads. For the next 10 years or so. They are stuck with me, because, baby, I'm union so they can't fire me. Hoist upon their own petard.

Now, who needs some plans and specs for highway or airport construction?

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:48 PM (7UW64)

125 89 Want proof we are being monitored? Just look at the case in Austin.

They admitted that they got his cell phone number because they had his location and time at the Fed Ex. Note, he did NOT make a phone call there, but his phone was ON... so they got the number because it WAS talking to a cell tower... even without him calling.

He then turned his phone off, and they could not find him...

He turned it back on, to make his 'video confession'... but made no calls... and just by turning his phone on, they found out what hotel he was at, and sent the SWAT Team.

Now the ONLY way this is possible, is if they are tracking ALL cell phone locations... and logging that information into a quickly searchable data base...

NSA's facility in Bluffdale is now online.... you know, that super duper Data Center?

If you have a cell... your location is now known to the government.
Posted by: Don Q.

They also used Google searches for information about locations and his purchase of specific stuff online.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2018 04:48 PM (MS0+a)

126 Say what you want about Stalin, but the man knew how to purge a bureaucracy.

Posted by: troyriser at March 22, 2018 04:49 PM (K8f5g)

127 Worst case scenario - Trump bought us a few years' relative peace. Keep that in mind, 'cause that ain't nothing, you know.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 22, 2018 04:49 PM (fA1SL)

128 If you have a cell... your location is now known to the government.

The cell system has to know what #'s are connected to what towers in real time in order to work. Pretty simple to get a look at that for a #.

Or are you saying they're logging that 100%?

Pretty simple to troll neighborhoods with their fake towers also.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2018 04:49 PM (FhXTo)

129 If you have a cell... your location is now known to the government.
Posted by: Don Q.

They also used Google searches for information about locations and his purchase of specific stuff online.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2018 04:48 PM (MS0+a)

If you object, then don't own a cell phone or use google or facebook or whatever. Go off grid. This isn't new, it is just more pervasive than it used to be.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:49 PM (7UW64)

130

You can just see Jonah's disappointment at everyone for not going along with his being a pathetic asskisser to progs.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz IVANOVICH at March 22, 2018 04:49 PM (LJuE4)

131 Finally some lefties are starting to see why big government is a problem. This might be the spark that gets some of them to think differently, or at least offer a pathway for righties to talk to them by starting with a basis of agreement. The establishment will be horrified, gonna need some more squirrels to keep the masses stirred up against each other instead of against them.

Posted by: Mayday at March 22, 2018 04:49 PM (7uC5o)

132 Posted by: davidt at March 22, 2018 04:42 PM (djCea)

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:48 PM (7UW64)

Government employee, see it everyday as well.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 22, 2018 04:50 PM (72PAC)

133 A document written long ago by very smart men in a new world colony declaring their independence from the king has a ring to it... a relevance even.

When the Constitution is meaningless and the bill of rights has been trashed... What is the answer?

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at March 22, 2018 04:50 PM (0OmEj)

134 btw us Goering pronounced "Gearing"?
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 22, 2018 04:47 PM (hMwEB)

It's the German "umlaut" (the two dots). Purse your lips tightly, and try to make the sound for "o." It comes out like a mix between "o" and "a."

Hard to do naturally for English speakers.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 04:50 PM (AzW6q)

135 I kept worrying about how to serve the customer, i.e. the public, who depend on me to produce the documents they need to contract with the state. How dare I?

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:48 PM (7UW64)

Translation...

You were making them look bad.

Took me 18 months. I got out. Might have been better off had I stayed but...

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:50 PM (48QDY)

136 What is the answer?
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42.

Posted by: simplemind at March 22, 2018 04:50 PM (C6xeQ)

137 I wonder why people and vehicles are following me around.

Posted by: Tom Donohue at March 22, 2018 04:51 PM (r9UYA)

138 The Deep State isn't a set of certain individuals. It is a governmental condition.

Jefferson set up the Deep State against John Adams and it's been going on ever since.

It is a consequence of government.

The bigger the government, the deeper the Deep State.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 22, 2018 04:51 PM (ATVNj)

139

BAM!!

FIRST AGAIN!!!

I'm an unstoppable force...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 22, 2018 04:51 PM (mPeei)

140 Where can a guy get a toilet bowl flavored cup of paste and a Tide Pod to go?

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 22, 2018 04:51 PM (pw+jk)

141 The other big problem that leads to a Deep State out of control is the refusal to arrest, prosecute and severely punish criminals in our political system. Lois Lerner needed to be hauled off to jail, and then on up the chain to Barky. Shrillary needed to be outfitted with an orange jumpsuit, and all of those scumbags working for her. Mueller, Comey and the rest of that bunch needed to be shitcanned back during the screwed up anthrax investigation, rather than promoted and given more power.

We have a toxic deep state because we don't come down hard on those who abuse governmental power. And I mean HARD! Shit, we don't do anything at all to them. That is what begets a toxic deep state operating outside of any law.

We watched Barky and his whole criminal crew break laws left and right, day after day, and watched as nothing was done - nothing was even said, really. And the courts jumped to Barky's side - the shitass federal courts with the lifetime pricks running them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 04:51 PM (8gDQu)

142 136 What is the answer?
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42.
Posted by: simplemind

NO MATH!!

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 04:51 PM (FZYNt)

143 "If you have a cell... your location is now known to the government.
"

They also know where you are shopping, where you are at any given time, whether you are asleep, etc.

Do you really believe they didn't make it difficult to replace or pull the battery on purpose?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 22, 2018 04:52 PM (VpIIl)

144
Translation...

You were making them look bad.

Took me 18 months. I got out. Might have been better off had I stayed but...

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:50 PM (48QDY)

I still am.

I survived a good five years at the CoE, I can do this standing on my head. They pay my health insurance bill, which is not unsubstantial, so I will stay until I retire, I expect.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:52 PM (7UW64)

145 I don't always shove an enormous dildo up my ass.
But when I do, it's monogrammed "Deep State."

Posted by: Billy the Crystal at March 22, 2018 04:52 PM (FLifI)

146 it wasn't the abuse of power that inspired Jonah Goldberg to write Liberal Fascism. it was the populism. a dictatorship of grey men in suits, we now know, is what Jonah wanted.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 22, 2018 04:52 PM (7fqJk)

147 136 What is the answer?

Thunderdome

Posted by: dantesed at March 22, 2018 04:52 PM (88xKn)

148 >>136 What is the answer?

Well, it certainly isn't Jeff Sessions.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 22, 2018 04:53 PM (r9UYA)

149 If you object, then don't own a cell phone or use google or facebook or whatever. Go off grid. This isn't new, it is just more pervasive than it used to be.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:49 PM (7UW64)

What if you use a VPN? I know that won't help the cell tracking but is it secure WRT internet usage?

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:53 PM (48QDY)

150 We watched Barky and his whole criminal crew break laws left and right, day after day, and watched as nothing was done - nothing was even said, really. And the courts jumped to Barky's side - the shitass federal courts with the lifetime pricks running them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 04:51 PM (8gDQu)

I would settle for Eric Holder to have the print of my husband's work boot across his preening mug.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 22, 2018 04:53 PM (7UW64)

151 136 What is the answer?

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Ahhh let's see... carry the 1..ahhhh ....ahhh POTATO.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 22, 2018 04:54 PM (pw+jk)

152 >>>2 Hey Ace, remember when what's his name McAdams or something left the DoJ and said that under Holder every single new hire had to have experience in civil rights litigation? No matter what they were being hired for?
...

I actually never heard that. Thanks.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:54 PM (8rNrN)

153 I don't understand why everyone keeps paying attention to what Billy Kristol says. He wasn't even that good in The Princess Bride.

Posted by: Rod Farva, Team Ramrod at March 22, 2018 04:54 PM (3q554)

154 Under zer0, intell agencies were looking in at democrat's opposition instead of out at America's enemies.

Posted by: PhilDirt at March 22, 2018 04:55 PM (oU+Gp)

155 Gees, Norm MacDonald is hilarious.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 22, 2018 04:55 PM (o7tuA)

156 152 I think he means J.Christian Adams.

Posted by: steevy at March 22, 2018 04:55 PM (LiyEm)

157 So, some liberals are apparently progressing from "Trump is Hitler" to "We'd rather have Hitler."

Posted by: MW at March 22, 2018 04:55 PM (wNx6K)

158 Hey Ace, remember when what's his name McAdams or something left the DoJ and said that under Holder every single new hire had to have experience in civil rights litigation? No matter what they were being hired for?
...

I actually never heard that. Thanks.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 04:54 PM (8rNrN)

J Christian Adams?

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:55 PM (48QDY)

159 Pro Tip:

civil rights litigation = anti white/heterosexuality litigation

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2018 04:55 PM (pw+jk)

160 ok, so more like Gooring

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 22, 2018 04:56 PM (hMwEB)

161 TPOP @99 with, to me, a key insight. Dig deeply, or just casually, into most major policy disasters of the last few decades, and you'll find the courts as the key actors, not the bureaucracy, not the elected branches.

Of course the failure of Congress to exercise its power over the federal courts - or even to try - is also to blame.

Though it always comes down (or can) to the fundamental derailment of the constitutional system, deference to Marbury v. Madison.

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 22, 2018 04:56 PM (2835Q)

162 Kristol obviously prefers dick.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 22, 2018 04:56 PM (woCRW)

163 J Christian Adams?
Posted by: golfman

didn't he save Star Wars?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 04:56 PM (FZYNt)

164 Wasn't it established that the government was doing all this during Obama? And a bunch of people were like "So what? You put all that shit up on social media anyways for everyone to see, but now you're gonna get worked up that the government is sucking it up as well?" But now suddenly it's "How dare you think the government is doing this!!" Really?

Posted by: buzzion at March 22, 2018 04:56 PM (lKs2v)

165 we've let them down again, sad.

Posted by: Chaos! At the White House at March 22, 2018 04:56 PM (DQC26)

166 Billly Kristol suffering from Trump-induced dementia?

Posted by: hepcat at March 22, 2018 04:56 PM (5b+Sr)

167 I don't always have penis but when I do I have the decency to sip it.

Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 22, 2018 04:57 PM (pw+jk)

168 I saw the Obamaite Fish open for Jailbait And The Podesta Pederasts at Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria in 2009.

Posted by: The Dumbass-Krugman Consensus at March 22, 2018 04:57 PM (50NPp)

169 didn't he save Star Wars?
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 04:56 PM (FZYNt)

Never heard of either.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 22, 2018 04:57 PM (48QDY)

170 Vote against all Republican incumbents in the primary, and against all Democrats in the general.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2018 04:34 PM (QQ+il)

This has been my basic voting strategy since the end of the Reagan Administration.

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2018 04:57 PM (953wK)

171 Worst case scenario - Trump bought us a few years' relative peace. Keep that in mind, 'cause that ain't nothing, you know.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine

Gives me time to get moved to the country, stock up on ammo, and get in better shape.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (TUUTu)

172 I'm not paranoid.

I'm just bugfuck crazy!

Posted by: A White House in Chaos at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (Nkh1h)

173 Yeah, that's closer. Since english language typesets don't contain umlauts, you'll often see them transliterated as "oe" or "oeh..." hence why people often spell it "Goering" or "Goehring."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (AzW6q)

174 Just kidding.

I always have penis and by the time 8:00 rolls around, I'm chugging it.

Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (pw+jk)

175
I don't always have penis but when I do I have the decency to sip it.
Posted by: Bill Kristol

With a pinkie that goes up.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (IqV8l)

176 Data mining facebook or google searches is not a crime. You volunteer that information. Now, suddenly, you want to make it a crime that someone notices what you said on a public forum?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 22, 2018 02:23 PM (roQNm)

Actually... this is new... they are doing it in real time... and by the very nature of how they are tracking you... they are tracking you on private property as well as in public.

And recent tests have shown, that even if you have your phone in Airline mode... it still tracks your location and uploads it the next time its online...

Yes... you can go Galt... but most people have NO IDEA about how they now lack privacy.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (NgKpN)

177 I don't always have penis but when I do I have the decency to sip it.
Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 22, 2018 04:57 PM (pw+jk)

My laugh for the day...

*clap

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (48QDY)

178 Good post, Ace

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (xJa6I)

179 A bit of a digression but an important point on wilson:

When Valerie Plame persuaded her boss to send Joseph Wilson IV to Niger he was working for a Saudi funded and controlled think tank. The Saudis at the time violently opposed the invasion of Iraq, fearing a freer iraq would put pressure on them to reform....

Posted by: 18-1 at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (eSx+E)

180 Billy Crisco is a shit eating dog.

Posted by: maddogg at March 22, 2018 04:59 PM (zHhW4)

181 Democrats and Republicans alike love them some Authority ... when they see themselves aligned with the Authority.

Or - as a certain oft-banned Moron here likes to say - Republicans and Democrats differ only on the Ends. The Means, however, not so much.

And that's all there is to it. Republicans love themselves some Police and Military. Democrats love themselves some Judiciary and Bureaurcracy.

But at the end of the day ... most of them agree in the Supremacy of the State over the Citizen. You know - as long as they agree with the State.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2018 04:59 PM (fiGNd)

182 You will have your penis.
You will finish your penis.
And you will like it!

Posted by: Stern, Paternal Mr. Kristol at March 22, 2018 04:59 PM (FLifI)

183 testing

Göring

Röhm

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 22, 2018 04:59 PM (hMwEB)

184 My principles have...evolved.

I used to want a moral and decent man as president.

Now? I don't give a fvck, as long as he begins the destruction of the current paradigm.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (KGmgT)

185 whöah

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (hMwEB)

186 Posted by: A White House in Chaos at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (Nkh1h)
_____________________________________

Yeah. Call me when attorneys are blowing their brains out in Fort Marcy Park and interns are blowing the president in the Oval Office.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (ATVNj)

187 164 Wasn't it established that the government was doing all this during Obama? And a bunch of people were like "So what? You put all that shit up on social media anyways for everyone to see, but now you're gonna get worked up that the government is sucking it up as well?" But now suddenly it's "How dare you think the government is doing this!!" Really?
Posted by: buzzion at March 22, 2018 04:56 PM (lKs2v)

Social media is one thing... tracking every cell phone in the US? a bit different.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (NgKpN)

188 ok, so more like Gooring

No, it's like someone posted above. You make an O sound except you pronounce as an E and it comes out as the Umlaut O.

There really isn't that sound in English.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (fuK7c)

189 Well now that we've got Goering's pronunciation straightened out, who wants to take on Seyss-Inquart? And what kind of effed up, hyphenated kraut name is that, anyway?

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (2835Q)

190
Worst case scenario - Trump bought us a few years' relative peace. Keep that in mind, 'cause that ain't nothing, you know.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 22, 2018 04:49 PM

I'm afraid that may be the BEST CASE scenario. On election night '16, Bill Whittle described Trump's victory as a "tourniquet".

Posted by: Hands at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (EzdLW)

191

Göring was a Gorn.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (IqV8l)

192 I don't always have penis but when I do I have the decency to sip it.
Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 22, 2018 04:57 PM (pw+jk)

Pinkies out, of course.

Posted by: Pug Mahon in the Upside Down at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (xPJvm)

193 171. Exactly so. That sense of urgency so many experienced before TGE is every bit as valid and correct today. More so, in fact, as we've been learning what these people did, do, and will amp up to 11 at the first opportunity.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (fA1SL)

194 i posit, they don't care about the deep state, they made money off the deep state.
they don't even care about Americas fall, they care about their position on picking up the scraps of what's left. They are big fish in a small pond compared to the global hopes.
I will have the last smile when they become the little fish being gobbled up, much like they are leaving us to be.

Posted by: willow at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (/ikqi)

195 Isn't it also odd how Joe and Mike seem to follow hillary's marching orders.

step 1. give us trump (because he's easy to defeat)
step 2. OMG the loons nominated trump, he must be stopped.

straight from HRC diktat.

Posted by: Chaos! At the White House at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (DQC26)

196 173 Yeah, that's closer. Since english language typesets don't contain umlauts, you'll often see them transliterated as "oe" or "oeh..." hence why people often spell it "Goering" or "Goehring."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (AzW6q)

It's why you have all these people with the last name "Muller, Moeller, Mueller."

Posted by: buzzion at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (lKs2v)

197 Worst case scenario - Trump bought us a few years' relative peace. Keep that in mind, 'cause that ain't nothing, you know.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine

I think that's the best case scenario.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (TI1a/)

198 >>>Well, if you believe that, you're flat-out wrong, and kinda embarrassingly so.

This^ is the TL;DR synopsis. This is them in a nutshell.

Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (q177U)

199 the trick is figuring out how DeepState operates, behind the scenes, collecting bigbucks out of the system.

Schweizer shows one way ... using gov authority to manipulate a stock, getting in (or out) and then turning it the other way. He said it was done hundreds of times. Then there is the Biden/McConnell others way ... getting (friends and family) paid for policy pushes.

Then there is probably a lot of drug/human/weapon trafficking, or info selling (Awans out of Pakistan, still unresolved). And there is the Kompramat ... Russia's way of compromising our polit's with hookers or underage sex.

And the Five Eyes things seems off the rails, as they have spied on the citizenry, and have access to pretty much all NSA files ... which is everything. It is all covert, secretive to even oversight in congress ... redacted everywhere.

This last one may be biggest, all theses SES (Senior Executive Service) members that float around and take authority, with little background check. This link is True Pundit on that ... really amazing ... mostly abused by Obama, but set up long before. "Specialists" brought in to run things and given top clearance, but they seem to have turned in to "The Shadow Government", dirty untouchables that somehow have authority. Was this the group that needed their own servers and blackberries to run their own government?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFFnT9JaG2gt=629s

Posted by: illiniwek at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (bT8Z4)

200 Yeah, that's closer. Since english language typesets don't contain umlauts, you'll often see them transliterated as "oe" or "oeh..." hence why people often spell it "Goering" or "Goehring."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (AzW6q)

But how did "Goethe" get an "r" in the English pronunciation?

I've always wondered about that but figured that it was something like the silliness associated with pronouncing Worchester in Mass.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (8gDQu)

201 >>>Somewhere a cuck masturbates to old episodes of Hawaii Five-O.

Is someone a cuck for masturbating to WKRP in Cincinnati?
Asking for a friend.

Posted by: wooga at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (PnpIB)

202 also muh prinicples?

they have none.

Posted by: willow at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (/ikqi)

203 My principles have...evolved.

I used to want a moral and decent man as president.

Now? I don't give a fvck, as long as he begins the destruction of the current paradigm.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (KGmgT)

If I am to be ruled by one unelected man I'd rather it be a Caesar than Anthony Kennedy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (QQ+il)

204 Is someone a cuck for masturbating to WKRP in Cincinnati?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: wooga

Bailey Quarters or Jennifer Marlow?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (FZYNt)

205 Gives me time to get moved to the country, stock up on ammo, and get in better shape.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2018 04:58 PM (TUUTu)

Same here.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (TI1a/)

206 Mandarins of the Deep State, sounds like a Buck Rogers serial.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (YqO0E)

207 Seyss-Inquart was a real Quisling ;-)

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (AzW6q)

208 I wonder what it would have been like under a President Cruz just in regard to the strategy the Left and GOP cucks would use against him.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (woCRW)

209 120 108 watching Hitler's Circle of Evil

==

getting annoyed at how often they say "right-wing"

the German Worker's Party is right wing, uh-huh

btw us Goering pronounced "Gearing"?
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 22, 2018 04:47 PM (hMwEB)

Umlauted vowels are tough for English speakers to pronounce. Any time you see an "e" after a vowel it means it should be umlauted.... so "gearing" is pretty close to how you pronounce goering, yes. It's more of a "eh" then a "ea" sound though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM (F5+ro)

210 Bailey Quarters or Jennifer Marlow?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (FZYNt)
______________________________________

Les Nesmond

Posted by: Kevin Spacey at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM (ATVNj)

211 Isn't there a law explaining this sort of deep state behavior?

Posted by: Pournelle at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM (oU+Gp)

212 201 >>>Somewhere a cuck masturbates to old episodes of Hawaii Five-O.

Is someone a cuck for masturbating to WKRP in Cincinnati?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: wooga at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (PnpIB)

Only the Phone Cops know for sure...

Posted by: Dr. Johny Fever at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM (NgKpN)

213 And Inquart is pronounced "Ink-vart"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM (AzW6q)

214 When I was young i asked my dad to borrow the car. He told me I could have the car tonight but had to sip his penis. When I sipped his penis I said "Hey that tastes like shit!" My dad said, "OH, that's right your brother has the car."

Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM (pw+jk)

215 184. As have mine. The realization that there exists a government largely divorced from, when not actually hostile toward, those over whom it exercises power came to me slowly, in bits and pieces.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM (fA1SL)

216 Data mining facebook or google searches is not a crime. You volunteer that information. Now, suddenly, you want to make it a crime that someone notices what you said on a public forum?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 22, 2018 02:23 PM (roQNm)

I volunteer the info to the private entity. FB or Google. Should take a little more to find out what I shared with those entities.

Different if they have my device. How did LE find out what he was searching, otherwise?

Posted by: golfman at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM (48QDY)

217 or maybe the only muh principles are accounting principles in their accts.

Posted by: willow at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM (/ikqi)

218 Bailey Quarters or Jennifer Marlow?

Bailey, always. She was a smoke show!

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 22, 2018 05:04 PM (7qnb5)

219 214 When I was young i asked my dad to borrow the car. He told me I could have the car tonight but had to sip his penis. When I sipped his penis I said "Hey that tastes like shit!" My dad said, "OH, that's right your brother has the car."
Posted by: Bill Kristol

Thread Winnah!!

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:04 PM (FZYNt)

220 WKRP?

With the potted plant?

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2018 05:04 PM (YqO0E)

221 Bailey Quarters or Jennifer Marlow?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (FZYNt)

Venus Flytrap.

Posted by: Obama at March 22, 2018 05:04 PM (ATVNj)

222 171. Exactly so. That sense of urgency so many experienced before TGE is every bit as valid and correct today. More so, in fact, as we've been learning what these people did, do, and will amp up to 11 at the first opportunity.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (fA1SL)

I admit I have gotten lax in the past year. Shame on me.

Somebody needs to give me a spanking.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 22, 2018 05:04 PM (TI1a/)

223 They seem to view this idea that unelected bureaucrats have a lot of
power in making policy -- much more than their charter actually grants
them
=============================

Since America's charter gives the administrative state zero input on policy the agencies are entirely dependent on Congress sloughing off its own responsibilities to have any such role at all.

And my ridiculous law professor brother, who is as lefty as Obama himself, can easily be driven into a rage by this question, especially if you whip out this book in evidence. Haha, I'm so much fun at Thanksgiving!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8v9w2mf

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Live from the gulag! at March 22, 2018 05:04 PM (LISuA)

224 Deep State also includes Big Business.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2018 05:04 PM (/mFQ3)

225
Is someone a cuck for masturbating to WKRP in Cincinnati?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: wooga

Bailey Quarters or Jennifer Marlow?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (FZYNt)

============
The healing power of "AND."

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2018 05:05 PM (pw+jk)

226
But there's an ominous feeling by Democrats and Republicans alike that a 'Deep State' of unelected operatives are pulling the levers of power,"

This is exactly the reason for the rise of Trump.... AND Bernie Sanders. They're both reactions to the same problem, albeit from different parts of the political spectrum.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 22, 2018 05:05 PM (XWkhW)

227 Apparently Trump just brokered a 1 billion dollar arms deal w/ Saudi Arabia..is that why the prince was here this week?

Posted by: IC at March 22, 2018 05:05 PM (a0IVu)

228 But how did "Goethe" get an "r" in the English pronunciation?

I've always wondered about that but figured that it was something like the silliness associated with pronouncing Worchester in Mass.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 05:01 PM (8gDQu)

---

I'm not sure on Goethe. I'm guessing it was sloppy pronunciation that became calcified.

Like how the English say "drawring" instead of "drawing."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:05 PM (AzW6q)

229 Bill Kristol's mask slipped. Like the cheese off his cracker. But his words are stunning to the effect that someone would ever advocate a shadow government. Guys like that little crap weasel are part of the problem.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 22, 2018 05:05 PM (7qnb5)

230 213 And Inquart is pronounced "Ink-vart"
__________________________________

I have ink farts.

Posted by: An Anxious Octopus at March 22, 2018 05:05 PM (ATVNj)

231 156 152 I think he means J.Christian Adams.
Posted by: steevy

Well, yes but in my defense I was overcome by a confusion of malaise and outrage and could not remember correctly. Thanks.

Posted by: New Phone at March 22, 2018 05:06 PM (PcXTI)

232 Like how the English say "drawring" instead of "drawing."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:05 PM (AzW6q)

I assumed that was just a speech impediment.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2018 05:06 PM (8gDQu)

233 Bailey Quarters or Jennifer Marlow?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (FZYNt)

Most definitely Jennifer Marlow now. Bailey has not aged as well. Switch that at their prime.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 22, 2018 05:06 PM (woCRW)

234 sort of like a special counsel who is appointed in violation of and charges people contrary to DOJ guidelines?

Posted by: Chaos! At the White House at March 22, 2018 05:06 PM (DQC26)

235
I admit I have gotten lax in the past year. Shame on me.
Somebody needs to give me a spanking.
Posted by: Legion of Gloomer

I was lax. Now I'm ex lax.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2018 05:06 PM (IqV8l)

236 This is exactly the reason for the rise of Trump.... AND Bernie Sanders. They're both reactions to the same problem, albeit from different parts of the political spectrum.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 22, 2018 05:05 PM

Yep. And we can all see how the deep state reacts when they don't get their way. Do not anger deep state, you wouldn't like it when it's angry.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 22, 2018 05:07 PM (7qnb5)

237 If you decide to go radio silent, do it gradually. Don't just suddenly drop off the grid. They are certainly watching for that.

*shiftyeyes*

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2018 05:07 PM (QQ+il)

238

Fool of an Ace!" he growled. This is a serious journey, not a moron walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance.

Posted by: Deep Gandalf at March 22, 2018 05:07 PM (qul7b)

239 Have the elite smart set aka The Deep State worked out yet that normal people find them suspect because the law abiding citizen is deem suspect and must be tracked at all times but illegal aliens may roam at will.

There is no benefit to citizenship, in fact you are punished for it by onerous taxes and your children being subject to college loans while "dreamers" attend for free.

Posted by: Decaf at March 22, 2018 05:07 PM (/3+Sg)

240 Les Nesmond
Posted by: Kevin Spacey at March 22, 2018 05:03 PM

I got your copper cob right here, big fella

Posted by: Les Nesmond at March 22, 2018 05:07 PM (EzdLW)

241 Liberty tree has to be rather thirsty.

Posted by: Sumdumchief at March 22, 2018 05:07 PM (6bgsf)

242 They also used Google searches for information about locations and his purchase of specific stuff online.

Don't look at me.

Posted by: Lace Wigs at March 22, 2018 05:07 PM (PnpIB)

243 I volunteer the info to the private entity. FB or Google.

Read the 42 pages of fine print. You gave up your rights around page 36.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2018 05:08 PM (TUUTu)

244 I wonder what it would have been like under a President Cruz just in regard to the strategy the Left and GOP cucks would use against him.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (woCRW)

Easy ... DNC would throw him a few bones on Morals Issues - such as a crackdown on States With Legalized Pot - in return for even more and more Centralized Federal Power and Weaponized Federal and State Police.

Because Progressives understand ... no issue is ever settled. They can alway backtrack on Morals Issues kind of shit. They're an Expediency.

But Power ... now By God ... expanding Power is where it's at. Especially when you're ready, willing, and able to use that Power while your Political Adversary spends time narrating some stupid fucking Shakespearian Soliloquy while your boot is upon their face.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2018 05:08 PM (fiGNd)

245 ok got it

the ö requires me to pretend I am holding a pingpong ball in my mouth

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 22, 2018 05:09 PM (hMwEB)

246 You know when I knew that Goologle was evil?

When Goologle had a campaign of "Don't be evil."

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2018 05:09 PM (pw+jk)

247 >>>241 Liberty tree has to be rather thirsty.

Russian hooker pee has the wrong pH

Posted by: wooga at March 22, 2018 05:09 PM (PnpIB)

248 244

Bingo.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2018 05:09 PM (/mFQ3)

249 It was backwards, anyway.

Judgy judgy in here.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 22, 2018 05:09 PM (r+sAi)

250 Should I be concerned about all those Google searches on guns, ammo, duct tape and wigs?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 22, 2018 05:09 PM (FLifI)

251 I have ink farts.
Posted by: An Anxious Octopus at March 22, 2018 05:05 PM (ATVNj)

Bill Kristol used to, but everything's digital, these days.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:09 PM (AzW6q)

252 Spankings?

Someone up for some danger?

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2018 05:10 PM (YqO0E)

253 245 - Bingo!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:10 PM (AzW6q)

254 test

Posted by: Surfperch at March 22, 2018 05:10 PM (WTo7q)

255 You know AG Sessions has a sooper secret list of all High Times subscribers ever so he can send them to the gas chambers if Trump gets reelected.

Posted by: A White House in Chaos at March 22, 2018 05:10 PM (Nkh1h)

256 A simpler and more fundamental explanation -- normal human response to incentives make an ever deepening state inevitable. Career government employees have very strong incentives to expand the reach and authority of government. They have no incentives to pull back (other than the weak impulse to treat outsiders with human decency). So the only path to improvement is to change the incentives. That is really difficult absent a revolution that usually makes things worse. What should we do?

Posted by: tom at March 22, 2018 05:10 PM (mOp9N)

257 ok got it

the � requires me to pretend I am holding a pingpong ball in my mouth

Bats dum.

Posted by: Mary Matlee at March 22, 2018 05:11 PM (QQ+il)

258 At least Hillary isnt president.

Yeay?

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2018 05:11 PM (/mFQ3)

259 Embrace my philosophy.

Posted by: John Galt at March 22, 2018 05:11 PM (r9UYA)

260 Bernie is a little bitch. He is easily bought off. The Deep State would have a field day with him. And his barely functionally retarded supporters wouldn't know the difference anyway.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 22, 2018 05:11 PM (46K9N)

261 250 Should I be concerned about all those Google searches on guns, ammo, duct tape and wigs?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 22, 2018 05:09 PM (FLifI)

I just accept that I'm dead if mine ever become an issue. I'm a true crime fan so just those alone make me look like some sort of serial killer.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 22, 2018 05:11 PM (4ErVI)

262 >>248 244

Bingo.

>>253 245 - Bingo!

248 244 253 245
Bingo!!!

Posted by: Bingo at March 22, 2018 05:12 PM (EzdLW)

263 Does paste come in this flavor "penis"?

Because it sounds like it might taste pretty fucking good.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 22, 2018 05:12 PM (pw+jk)

264 Ratfarting?
Ratfisting?
Ratfinking?
Ratfinding?
Ratfunding?
Ratfapping?
Ratfisking?
Ratfishing?

I don't understand, Ace.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at March 22, 2018 05:12 PM (CPk08)

265 184
My principles have...evolved.

I used to want a moral and decent man as president.

Now? I don't give a fvck, as long as he begins the destruction of the current paradigm.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2018 05:00 PM (KGmgT)

This. Exactly. Do what it takes. Bring it down and you have my support 110%Apocalypse now.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 22, 2018 05:12 PM (o7tuA)

266 I just accept that I'm dead if mine ever become an issue. I'm a true crime fan so just those alone make me look like some sort of serial killer.

That's why you use ether rather than chloroform.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2018 05:13 PM (QQ+il)

267 I can't think of any historical examples where The State has been rolled back, except through violent rebellion or revolution.

And then the cycle starts over again.

Posted by: davidt at March 22, 2018 05:13 PM (djCea)

268 >>>But how did "Goethe" get an "r" in the English pronunciation?

it doesn't. Those learning German are taught to imagine saying an "r" after an umlauted vowel because that winds up making the vowel sound approximately correct. However, you're not actually supposed to voice the r.

Either people are saying it wrong, or, because that vowel sound would usually come before an r, you're hearing the r you expect, even though it's not said.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2018 05:13 PM (8rNrN)

269
Should I be concerned about all those Google searches on guns, ammo, duct tape and wigs?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 22, 2018 05:09 PM

Concerns?

guns, ammo = yes
duct tape and wigs = nah, we celebrate all lifestyle choices

Posted by: The Google at March 22, 2018 05:13 PM (EzdLW)

270
Ratfarting?

Ratfisting?

Ratfinking?

Ratfinding?

Ratfunding?

Ratfapping?

Ratfisking?

Ratfishing?

I don't understand, Ace.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at March 22, 2018 05:12 PM (CPk0

==========
Where can we meet up?

Posted by: Richard Gere at March 22, 2018 05:14 PM (pw+jk)

271 Trump just brokered a 1 billion dollar arms deal w/ Saudi Arabia..is that why the prince was here this week? Posted by: IC

some rumors would suggest Trump is goring the ox of those (deep state, shadow players) that made those deals more covertly, and collected some huge bribes for the favor. Lots of billions being laundered ... I'm still foggy on all that, but it keeps looking worse the more I read.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 22, 2018 05:14 PM (bT8Z4)

272 I used the term "speed bump" instead of "tourniquet" for what Trump might end up representing - same same. Of course too early to say. But the end of the beginning might be in sight, with this CR. And that is a pretty bleak indicator.

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 22, 2018 05:14 PM (2835Q)

273 262 >>248 244

Bingo.

>>253 245 - Bingo!

248 244 253 245
Bingo!!!
Posted by: Bingo

That's a damn big bingo card. Looks more like a Chinese lottery.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2018 05:14 PM (TUUTu)

274 These purple crayons don't taste like grape.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 22, 2018 05:14 PM (r9UYA)

275 Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2018 05:08 PM (fiGNd)

ding! ding! ding! Exactly this.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 22, 2018 05:15 PM (o7tuA)

276 Either people are saying it wrong, or, because that vowel sound would usually come before an r, you're hearing the r you expect, even though it's not said.

It's properly an R sound made by vibrating the throat rather than rolling the tongue, though the tongue roll is close enough for government work.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2018 05:15 PM (QQ+il)

277

Back to the fields, peasants. Break time is over. FOREVER.

Posted by: Your Deep State Betters at March 22, 2018 05:15 PM (qul7b)

278 Hey Joe,

You should try the orange crayons.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 22, 2018 05:15 PM (pw+jk)

279 Good to know Trump is working hard to make Saudis happy.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2018 05:15 PM (/mFQ3)

280 THE JOKE ISN'T FUNNY IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT.

Posted by: Amy Schumer

Nobody told me, Amy.

And THAT"S WHY I lost !

Hic !
Shart !

THUD !

Posted by: Hilary Wobbles at March 22, 2018 05:16 PM (x33H9)

281 Don't even think about pronouncing Chinese names using English alphabets

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2018 05:16 PM (aC6Sd)

282 Where can we meet up?
Posted by: Richard Gere at March 22, 2018 05:14 PM (pw+jk)

Start with gerbils, move on to rats. Pretty soon you'll be doing groundhogs, and then manatees.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at March 22, 2018 05:16 PM (CPk08)

283 My principles have...evolved.

I used to want a moral and decent man as president.

Now? I don't give a fvck, as long as he begins the destruction of the current paradigm.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Just a question, one I don't have the answer to.
Say there's some actual evidence that Trump was getting his johnson wet after being freshly married to Melania.
That's pretty sad. Maybe it happened, maybe not.

The leftists want nothing other then to have Melania march out of the White House with their son and divorce him. They want the man ruined. They won't settle for less.

Who is worse? The MSM who want nothing other than that scenario? Or DJT for doing the deed?

I have my opinion, but it strays into D-Lamp territory.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 22, 2018 05:16 PM (LOgQ4)

284 It is sad that some people are miserable all the time.

Posted by: steevy at March 22, 2018 05:16 PM (LiyEm)

285 Good to know Trump is working hard to make Saudis happy.

At this time it's better than making Persians happy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2018 05:17 PM (QQ+il)

286 But how did "Goethe" get an "r" in the English pronunciation?

That way they could talk about the penis in polite company.
Paolo Goethe. (Paolo Girthy)

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2018 05:17 PM (TUUTu)

287 is that why the prince was here this week?

That, and doing Downfall memes in Farsi.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2018 05:17 PM (FhXTo)

288 Off sock

Posted by: JT at March 22, 2018 05:17 PM (x33H9)

289 Along with Kristol and the other pseudo-conservative deep state republicans, let's not forget former pres G W Bush, who could not be bothered to respond when Obama and the Demorats were blasting him left and right (mostly left) for 16 yrs, but suddenly found a voice when the country elected Trump.

Both Bushes, McCain, Romney... I'm sorry I ever spent a nickel supporting those useless frauds, just as I am sorry I ever wasted a second reading anything Kristol ever wrote.

Posted by: Barack Nobama at March 22, 2018 05:17 PM (vZzV+)

290 The other day when Bill Kristol made that Tweet I knew he was a Communist at heart.

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2018 05:18 PM (aC6Sd)

291 Good to know Trump is working hard to make Saudis happy.

Posted by: #neverskankles

You really think he's getting nothing in return?

You must be twelve years old. Five years ago you were seven.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 22, 2018 05:18 PM (LOgQ4)

292 Barry's safe word was "rat fuck."

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 22, 2018 05:18 PM (pw+jk)

293 So I wonder if the news about Facebook has caused any liberals to get off it-or conservatives for that matter?-I haven't had an account for years and then it was merely a name. Never posted anything.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2018 05:19 PM (tpDAe)

294
Both Bushes, McCain, Romney... I'm sorry I ever
spent a nickel supporting those useless frauds, just as I am sorry I
ever wasted a second reading anything Kristol ever wrote.

Posted by: Barack Nobama at March 22, 2018 05:17 PM (vZzV+)

i made phone calls for McCain. I feel so dirty when i think about it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 22, 2018 05:19 PM (o7tuA)

295 So all these Dems, especially minorities, are sure there is an unelected Deep State and yet they keep on voting for the Big Government Party? Not that the GOPe is small government. Actually, this damned budget makes me wonder why the hell I bother to vote for Senators and reps.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at March 22, 2018 05:19 PM (H80UQ)

296 Well I think it's clear we have a second nickname for the HQ now - "Smart Linguistics Blog". For those who are triggered by references to skeeery military things.

Yudihisthrathraishwhatever, Seyss-Inqart was a nasty piece of work but had some odd things going on. Allowed emergency air drops after the "hunger winter", joined the military in not implementing scorched earth directives in Holland. Was shot anyway (as Bedell Smith told him he would be). Not sure I've ever seen a hyphenated Austrian name, but then again I don't speak Austrian.

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 22, 2018 05:19 PM (2835Q)

297 289 Along with Kristol and the other pseudo-conservative deep state republicans, let's not forget former pres G W Bush, who could not be bothered to respond when Obama and the Demorats were blasting him left and right (mostly left) for 16 yrs, but suddenly found a voice when the country elected Trump.
Posted by: Barack Nobama at March 22, 2018 05:17 PM (vZzV+)

That was absolutely despicable. Another mask dropped.

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2018 05:19 PM (xjiRE)

298
Hey Joe,

You should try the orange crayons.
Posted by: Joe Biden

They don't have Flesh ones anymore.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2018 05:19 PM (IqV8l)

299 Ace did a good roundup but there are so many more examples.

The IRS targeting seems apropos.

How about Comey/Mueller pal Patrick Fitzgerald knowing at the outset of the last Special Counsel investigation that a) no crime had been committed because Plame wasn't a clandestine agent as defined by statute; and b) insider Richard Armitage was the "leaker" of her non-clandestine identity.

So why investigate a non-crime? As we know, Fitzgerald was trying to flip Libby to "give him Cheney" (the real political prize and enemy of the IC)

Posted by: Alec Leamas at March 22, 2018 05:20 PM (OIiRj)

300 i made phone calls for McCain. I feel so dirty when i think about it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 22, 2018 05:19 PM (o7tuA)

Hey, we've all had jobs like that.

Posted by: Candi at March 22, 2018 05:20 PM (CPk08)

301 Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 22, 2018 05:18 PM (LOgQ4)

I have never seen neverskankles post anything positive about Trump or what he's done. It's always not enough, not fast enough or not done right, so I'm a bit dubious about "never scankles".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2018 05:21 PM (tpDAe)

302 This budget knife in the back is why the gopE worked so hard to make sure I got rat fucked.

Posted by: Judge Roy Moore at March 22, 2018 05:21 PM (pw+jk)

303 Anyone who doesn't trust, or more to the point, denigrates, our national intelligence and law enforcement, is anti-American.

Posted by: *shakes an MSNBC talking head out of a bag* at March 22, 2018 05:21 PM (c/EDo)

304 >> Unfieerable bureaucrats who feel that they can take down a president.

You mean like the official twitter accounts of the NPS pledging it's Resistance after Trump was elected?

Or that CFPB lady declaring herself in charge despite Trump appointing Mulvaney?

You mean like the EPA or whatever agency creating Dumbledore's Army and communicating via secret text accounts about how to Resist Trump's appointed head of the agency?

Like Brennan tweet threatening Trump?

FFS, the DC Swamp/Deep State have been nothing but broadcasting their defiance to the duly elected POTUS since Day 1 --- and it's a conspiracy to take them at their word?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2018 05:21 PM (W+vEI)

305 284 It is sad that some people are miserable all the time.
Posted by: steevy at March 22, 2018 05:16 PM (LiyEm)

This is about me, isn't it.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 22, 2018 05:21 PM (NWiLs)

306 Seyss-Inqart was a nasty piece of work but had some odd things going on. Allowed emergency air drops after the "hunger winter", joined the military in not implementing scorched earth directives in Holland. Was shot anyway (as Bedell Smith told him he would be). Not sure I've ever seen a hyphenated Austrian name, but then again I don't speak Austrian.
Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 22, 2018 05:19 PM (2835Q)

---

So, after he was shot, was he then a corpse-man?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:22 PM (AzW6q)

307
@Bill Kristol
Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics. But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state.

Obviously: NOT

Deep state undermines "democratic and constitutional politics". Trump state is an imperfect but necessary attempt at correction.

Posted by: Hands at March 22, 2018 05:22 PM (EzdLW)

308 Did somebody want to sip penis??

Posted by: Peter North at March 22, 2018 05:22 PM (pw+jk)

309 Ratfishing?

I don't understand, Ace.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at March 22, 2018 05:12 PM (CPk0

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: A Ratfish at March 22, 2018 05:22 PM (WTo7q)

310 These survey results prove that nobody is paying attention to the MSM who have tried to hide it all, people can put two and two together even when interference is run all around them.

Posted by: Decaf at March 22, 2018 05:22 PM (/3+Sg)

311 305 It doesn't have to be.

Posted by: steevy at March 22, 2018 05:23 PM (LiyEm)

312 311 305 It doesn't have to be.
Posted by: steevy at March 22, 2018 05:23 PM (LiyEm)

Harrumph. Whatever you're smoking, pass that shit over.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 22, 2018 05:23 PM (NWiLs)

313 i made phone calls for McCain. I feel so dirty when i think about it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

I used to have a subscription to The Blaze to listen to Glen Beck.

we all have our skeletons

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:23 PM (FZYNt)

314 I don't see any hairy satchels in my near term future.

I haz teh sadz.

Posted by: Pudding Cup at March 22, 2018 05:24 PM (pw+jk)

315 we all have our skeletons
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:23 PM (FZYNt)

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Ted Bundy at March 22, 2018 05:24 PM (CPk08)

316 Now, who needs some plans and specs for highway or airport construction?
Posted by: tcn in AK

Did that Bridge to Nowhere ever get built? IIRC, it was meant to connect the city of Ketchikan with its airport on Gravina Island...

Posted by: Morton at March 22, 2018 05:24 PM (X4Ncv)

317 >>Good to know Trump is working hard to make Saudis happy.

>>At this time it's better than making Persians happy.

Amen!

Also, I am glad Trump is working with the Saudi prince who is liberating women, and jailing/seizing the assets of fellow Saudis such as Prince bin Talal Alwaleed.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2018 05:25 PM (W+vEI)

318 314 I don't see any hairy satchels in my near term future.

I haz teh sadz.
Posted by: Pudding Cup at March 22, 2018 05:24 PM (pw+jk)

Me too. I got dolphin-smooth just for you.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 22, 2018 05:25 PM (NWiLs)

319 "..I've always opposed the liberal/progressive Deep State."

Bitch, please. "Deep State" wasnt even a thing for you until last year.

Posted by: joe at March 22, 2018 05:25 PM (h93Lj)

320 NOOD

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:25 PM (FZYNt)

321 This budget knife in the back is why the gopE worked so hard to make sure I got rat fucked.
Posted by: Judge Roy Moore
----------------

At least my Congressman (Mark Meadows) and The Freedom Caucus have vociferously opposed the budget 'deal'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 22, 2018 05:25 PM (FJXGr)

322 I have never seen neverskankles post anything positive about Trump or what he's done. It's always not enough, not fast enough or not done right, so I'm a bit dubious about "never scankles".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2018 05:21 PM

It seems like a child turned loose with the parents computer. Completely lacking in knowledge of Saudi Arabia evolving over the past year and a half.

Anyway... Get your heat turned on yet? I'm guessing yes, because of your lack of numb-finger typos.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 22, 2018 05:26 PM (LOgQ4)

323 So I wonder if the news about Facebook has caused any liberals to get off it-or conservatives for that matter?-

+++

Yes. Can't tell you numbers or anything, but anecdotes. When it comes to social media it's getting to be Don't Use/Buy American. Good facebook replacement is out of Sweden I think, idka

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at March 22, 2018 05:26 PM (z2W2E)

324 Rat Fink.

Posted by: Ed "Big Daddy" Roth at March 22, 2018 05:26 PM (ctuyM)

325 Prosecutors drop charges against 11 of 15 Turkish thugs.Remember this outrage?

https://tinyurl.com/yag2ethv

Posted by: steevy at March 22, 2018 05:26 PM (LiyEm)

326 i made phone calls for McCain. I feel so dirty

Cough, Nixon, cough cough.

That enduring shame is why I warn people about voting straight ticket R. If you do that in Texas this November you will be voting for Pee Bush.

Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson's rapey banana at March 22, 2018 05:27 PM (1L9V9)

327 The Saudis are working hard to make Trump happy.

And liking it.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 22, 2018 05:27 PM (y7VOF)

328 That lib deep state certainly is depressing, but what's even more depressing to me is the sheer wastefulness of all that bureaucracy. Working for the state or federal government is, in far too many cases, one step up from being on the dole.

Posted by: Caliban at March 22, 2018 05:27 PM (QE8X6)

329 I don't see any hairy satchels in my near term future.

I haz teh sadz.
Posted by: Pudding Cup at March 22, 2018 05:24 PM (pw+jk)

Me too. I got dolphin-smooth just for you.
Posted by: Insomniac

JCrew Messenger Bag with the included butt plug.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2018 05:29 PM (TUUTu)

330 I have never seen neverskankles post anything positive about Trump or what he's done. It's always not enough, not fast enough or not done right, so I'm a bit dubious about "never scankles".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2018 05:21 PM (tpDAe)

Well ... you've seen me post plenty in support of him. I don't think I qualify as a "NeverTrumper".

But I'm not pleased. The omnibus bill is horse-shit. Sitting down with Mueller is friggin' stupid. And still, Mike Flynn twists in the wind while HR McMaster enjoys employment.

And I'm sick. Sick and Fucking Tired of this "In Donald We Trust" bullshit. The last time I saw this much unconditional support of a damned Republican was "W".

Spoiler Alert - He Was An AssHole.

A pox on all your damn houses, as I seem to recall from those miserable friggin' days in Sunday School.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2018 05:30 PM (fiGNd)

331 re Sessions - hotboxing a gas chamber with THC?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 22, 2018 05:30 PM (dQsCC)

332 Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 22, 2018 05:26 PM (LOgQ4)

Yes; Thanks for asking. Alas, the typos will continue, heat or not. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2018 05:30 PM (tpDAe)

333 JCrew Messenger Bag with the included butt plug.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2018 05:29 PM (TUUTu)

Full disclosure: I rock the Tumi messenger bag. Might even be worse than J Crew, lol.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:30 PM (AzW6q)

334 >>>I have never seen neverskankles post anything positive about Trump or what he's done. It's always not enough, not fast enough or not done right, so I'm a bit dubious about "never scankles

he's been harshing my mellow since day one.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 22, 2018 05:30 PM (N0sw0)

335 , Seyss-Inqart ... Not sure I've ever seen a hyphenated Austrian name, but then again I don't speak Austrian.

I'm guessing (looking things up is cheating) that he had filthy Scandi or Magyar ancestry, because those are not German names.

Of course, I don't speak Austrian either. I can read it just fine because they use the same words and alphabet as German, but when it comes out of their mouths it's a dog's breakfast.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 22, 2018 05:31 PM (fuK7c)

336 Paranoids are right. They are out to get you.

I have begun to think that the word paranoid may have no modern day meaning. Forget federal government. Cops gather cell phone records about where a gaggle of people are and now you are a possible suspect. Google and Facebook hoover up any and all info about you and sell it to people who want to change and influence your behavior. Your every move can be recreated by cameras.

Innocent by itself. In the hands of a Deep State (yup, throwing Google in there) with a grudge, it is terrifying.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 22, 2018 05:31 PM (e1mEI)

337 Sweden is even more sjw than we are. I'd go VKontakte before Idka.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 22, 2018 05:31 PM (dQsCC)

338 Of course, I don't speak Austrian either. I can read it just fine because they use the same words and alphabet as German, but when it comes out of their mouths it's a dog's breakfast.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 22, 2018 05:31 PM (fuK7c)

My German professor called the Austrian German "German Ebonics."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:32 PM (AzW6q)

339 i made phone calls for McCain. I feel so dirty when i think about it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

I used to have a subscription to The Blaze to listen to Glen Beck.

we all have our skeletons
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 22, 2018 05:23 PM (FZYNt)

Beck was really funny when he and his goofball buds were singing "Happy Days Are Here Again" after the 2010 when reciting all the lib jerkoff fantasies that went up in smoke. Other than that he was an emotional nightmare who cried too fucking much.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 22, 2018 05:34 PM (y7DUB)

340 I think the Deep State got to Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffez.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at March 22, 2018 05:34 PM (H80UQ)

341 Bipartisan is the escape hatch for non-closers. George should have been upfront from day one. "Those guy tried to kill my Dad." "Who's with me?" "What say we go F*up their world?!" Every chair would have emptied and headed for the planes. His problem, as with so many others before him, was that deep desire to not act like a blood-thirsty Muslim. Oh, no, he had to act like a milk-toast Christian ... instead of going ahead and doing war. Repent sinners, lest we make the same mistakes all over again, but this time at home!

Posted by: goon at March 22, 2018 05:35 PM (EaQ6/)

342 My German professor called the Austrian German "German Ebonics."

Heh.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 22, 2018 05:36 PM (fuK7c)

343 337. Vkontakte - superior Slav technology.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 22, 2018 05:38 PM (fA1SL)

344 Heh.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 22, 2018 05:36 PM (fuK7c)

He grew up in Nazi Germany, then East Germany. I remember when students were complaining about a Holocaust denier speaking on campus, that he admonished them that their freedom of speech was precious, and shouldn't be used to silence someone else's.

That was 2006.

My, my how time's have changed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:40 PM (AzW6q)

345 My, my how time's have changed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

So you are very young. I don't recognize your nic, but please hang around. There are people here who can do deep dives into East European stuff (and also frankly everything else. People were geeking out about bar stock steel the other day).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 22, 2018 05:46 PM (fuK7c)

346 Ok...but the very ones, all those progressives (then I need to ask, what is so "progressive" about socialism anyway?) NEED to read this, but they certainly never will. As Reagan once said: Government doesn't solve problems, government IS the problem.

Posted by: Flapjawman at March 22, 2018 05:48 PM (u8G6E)

347 Yeah I've been lurking for a while now. Work stoppage here at the office, so I'm kinda screwin' around. I like it here.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2018 05:49 PM (AzW6q)

348 BTW, why not start the mantra that the leftists don't want gun control...they are demanding Liberty Control.

Posted by: Flapjawman at March 22, 2018 05:51 PM (u8G6E)

349 Mandarins of the Deep State, sounds like a Buck Rogers serial.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2018 05:02 PM (YqO0E)
--------------------
Hey as long as Vintage Erin Grey is in it in spandaex I am fine with it

Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 22, 2018 05:53 PM (y3aQB)

350 I think the Deep State got to Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffez.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at March 22, 2018 05:34 PM (H80UQ)

Gowdy's behavior has been...weirder than usual of late, especially with that whole 'If you're innocent act like it' bit.

Deep State operatives must be holding Gowdy's hairdresser hostage. Only she knows the trick behind the special upwave.

Posted by: troyriser at March 22, 2018 05:55 PM (K8f5g)

351 Can I just say something I noticed? I deal with several federal agencies routinely (BLM, EPA, and USFWS). For some reason, there was a LARGE number of early retirements during the Obama years. These retirements were often money based - the employees were given very good terms under which to take early retirement. Without exception, the people promoted into those vacated positions were VERY much more progressive, far less competent, and far less even handed than their predecessors.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at March 22, 2018 06:02 PM (fftfA)

352 There is a Deep State and the members are not on our side. As to its elite members, many are sick and evil.

While they may not be of the Bill Ayers/Down Low Barky Teh Won mindset vis a vis the United States of America as to their endgame, they will sell out the country and its people in a blackened heartbeat to assure their continued control and riches. Their run is about up, thankfully, and the world will be a better place when they are no longer calling the shots. Much better place.

Posted by: oddnot is going to miss The Awakening and full Storm, Sadly at March 22, 2018 06:06 PM (g1MTt)

353 148
>>136 What is the answer?

Well, it certainly isn't Jeff Sessions.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 22, 2018 04:53 PM (r9UYA)
~~~~~~~Oh, how wrong you are. So very wrong. His nick is the "Silent Executioner", quiet and working out of the light. Meticulously. By the book to avoid reversible error.
Why was he crucified by his Senate buddies during his confirmation? Because they know, and their big $upporter$ know, that he will see to it that Trump's "Return of the Rule of Law" and equal application of same to the elites campaign promise will be kept. A clue: 18,000+ sealed indictments in 6 months, normally ~1500 a year, tops.
As Q says, No Deals and Enjoy the Show.

Posted by: oddnot is going to miss The Awakening and full Storm, Sadly at March 22, 2018 06:25 PM (g1MTt)

354 Mr. O'Spades. May I remind you, you are still under oath.

Are you now or have you ever ratfucked a Neocuck? Yes or no?

Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 22, 2018 06:27 PM (bJ0w+)

355 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwGsr3SzCZc

The link above is to a black hat conference talk. About how spies fsked it up and got traced by their cell phones.

Posted by: rsj at March 22, 2018 06:30 PM (IzQ0i)

356 Something like 8 in 10 Americans believe that we need fewer illegal immigrants. We're still not getting that wall.

Posted by: Obama waving from Martha's Vineyard at March 22, 2018 06:31 PM (6s3Tv)

357 Oops, sorry forgot to add that the link to the lack hat talk explains how they can ping your phone all the time, even if it is off.

Posted by: rsj at March 22, 2018 06:31 PM (IzQ0i)

358 Hey Joe, where you goin' widatpasteinyohand?

Posted by: Burger Chef at March 23, 2018 12:37 AM (RuIsu)

359 Heck, I was once a Marine, have been on the VA service connected disability list since I was 22 yrs old, the government knows more about me than I do and I could care less.
If they are watching my life they will be as bored as I am and I feel sorry for the agent assigned to me for surveillance.
Some times I even do things on line just to spice up those who snoop for Sheets and giggles LOL!

Posted by: obsidian at March 23, 2018 12:10 PM (ARK2U)

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