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Game Over? Teacher Says That For First Time In Her Long Career, a Class Has Refused to Pass Judgment Against the Human Sacrifice Depicted in Shirley Jackson's Cautionary Tale "The Lottery"
Via Instapundit, an absolutely chilling sign of the end times.
Shirley Jackon's "The Lottery" is a staple of middle school literature textbooks. It's about a rural town which conducts a lottery before harvest season. The surprise twist at the end is that the "winner" of the lottery is ritually murdered by stoning in order to guarantee a good harvest. Per Wikipedia, when the story was originally published in the New Yorker, readers were so angry about it that they cancelled subscriptions and wrote hate mail to the magazine and the author. An overreaction? Of course. But in 1948 (when the story was published), the public was at least educated enough to know that "The Lottery" was a story about a sick and repulsive practice. Fast forward to the ugly now, when our Little Monsters think they're super-educated by ninth grade but are so feral they don't understand this story is supposed to be about unambiguous evil.Then in the 1990s, something started to change dramatically in how her students responded to the sobering tale. Rather than being horrified by it, some claimed they were bored by it, while others thought the ending was "neat." When Ms. Haugaard pressed them for more of their thoughts, she was appalled to discover that not one student in the class was willing to say the practice of human sacrifice was morally wrong! She describes one interaction with a student, whom she calls Beth: "'Are you asking me if I believe in human sacrifice?' Beth responded thoughtfully, as though seriously considering all aspects of the question. 'Well, yes,' I managed to say. 'Do you think that the author approved or disapproved of this ritual?' "I was stunned: This was the [young] woman who wrote so passionately of saving the whales, of concern for the rain forests, of her rescue and tender care of a stray dog. 'I really don’t know,' said Beth; 'If it was a religion of long standing, [who are we to judge]?'" "For a moment, I couldn’t even respond," reports Ms. Haugaard. "This woman actually couldn't seem to bring herself to say plainly that she was against human sacrifice. My classes of a few years before would have burst into nervous giggles at the suggestion. This class was calmly considering it." At one point, a student explained she had been taught not to judge, and if this practice worked for them, who was she to argue differently. Appalled by the student’s moral indifference, Ms. Haugaard concludes, "Today, for the first time in my thirty years of teaching, I looked my students in the eye and not one of them in my class could tell me that this society, this cultural behavior was a bad thing.""The Lottery" is available online, though I caution you: No judgments.
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Good Morning, Ace.
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 02:02 PM (YbE0z)
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Good afternoon Ace
Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 02:02 PM (aC6Sd)
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rd?
Posted by: Todler at March 20, 2018 02:03 PM (8D42x)
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ok, I can read the content now...
Posted by: Todler at March 20, 2018 02:03 PM (8D42x)
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Yay!
Posted by: JAS at March 20, 2018 02:03 PM (sCN2W)
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Ah, that phresh thread smell...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at March 20, 2018 02:03 PM (7LY+6)
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They've ingrained a desire to watch people die into the little demons.
Posted by: Hikaru at March 20, 2018 02:04 PM (P9D9p)
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Book Thread?
Posted by: Weasel at March 20, 2018 02:04 PM (MVjcR)
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corgis called.
Posted by: Todler at March 20, 2018 02:04 PM (8D42x)
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Shirley Jackon's "The Lottery" is a staple of middle school literature textbooks.
Never read it. Never even heard of it.
Never read it. Never even heard of it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 20, 2018 02:04 PM (8gDQu)
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I call shenanigans.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 20, 2018 02:04 PM (n+6mJ)
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Willowed
And seems we had a school shooting, but only perp was killed and surprise surprise it was done by a good guy with a gun who had a firearm lawfully in a school.
Don't expect this story to get around much.
Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 02:02 PM
And seems we had a school shooting, but only perp was killed and surprise surprise it was done by a good guy with a gun who had a firearm lawfully in a school.
Don't expect this story to get around much.
Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 02:02 PM
Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 02:04 PM (aC6Sd)
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whew! getting worried
Posted by: DanMan at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (XTiHL)
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OH GOD NOT THE BEES! NOT THE BEES!!!
Posted by: Nicolas Cage at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (NWiLs)
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There we go.
Posted by: Max Power at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (QCc6B)
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I don't blame the little shits. I blame the parents and teachers.
Posted by: JAS at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (sCN2W)
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If she wants to get them riled up again, she should start using a story about a mom who quits her job at the New York Times to stay home with her new baby.
Posted by: vrf at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (MwaUC)
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Bitch is too stupid to realize that she is partly at fault for this.
Posted by: buzzion at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (cAnNx)
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Meh. Part of the outrage in 1948 wasn't that human sacrifice was offensive -- it was that it was equating that capricious, vicious brutality with traditional religion and traditional mores.
The fact that people are losing grip on the metaphor and treating the actions literally is depressing on two fronts. But it doesn't make the original genius or anything.
The fact that people are losing grip on the metaphor and treating the actions literally is depressing on two fronts. But it doesn't make the original genius or anything.
Posted by: sunny-dee at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (QAOZh)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (7LY+6)
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If the lottery was for Corgies, then I would be indifferent.
Posted by: CoolHandLuke at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (ZeVko)
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (Nbpoo)
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Shirley Jackon's "The Lottery" is a staple of middle school literature textbooks.
Never read it. Never even heard of it.
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Seriously, what crap is this. We were reading Shakespeare in Jr. High. And that was a public school. A diverse one.
Never read it. Never even heard of it.
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Seriously, what crap is this. We were reading Shakespeare in Jr. High. And that was a public school. A diverse one.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (sX1BW)
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But CNN tells me that his age cohort has absolute moral authority.
Posted by: Mark1971 at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (xPl2J)
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So close. Yet so far.
Posted by: 1K Comment Threads, the continuing saga at March 20, 2018 02:06 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 20, 2018 02:06 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Miss Understood at March 20, 2018 02:06 PM (/zwDg)
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Inherent good and evil is an interesting idea to dwell upon. I believe C.S. Lewis discusses this.
Posted by: Max Power at March 20, 2018 02:06 PM (QCc6B)
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Most of their fiction is this sort of dystopian stuff: Hunger Games, Wall Runner, even as far back as Battle Royale.
I can see why they are kind of aren't viscerally moved, human sacrifice for the sake of order is the theme of a lot of pop culture
I can see why they are kind of aren't viscerally moved, human sacrifice for the sake of order is the theme of a lot of pop culture
Posted by: Jeff Hawkins at March 20, 2018 02:06 PM (DuTGc)
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Kid was probably thinking, 'depends, did he vote for Trump?'
Posted by: GregV61 at March 20, 2018 02:06 PM (FLpne)
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Then in the 1990s, something started to change dramatically in how her students responded to the sobering tale. Rather than being horrified by it, some claimed they were bored by it, while others thought the ending was "neat."
The real flowering of the "noble savage" idea in the West.
Probably half the kids who liked it were pierced in 12 different places and had tattoos running up their necks.
The real flowering of the "noble savage" idea in the West.
Probably half the kids who liked it were pierced in 12 different places and had tattoos running up their necks.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 20, 2018 02:06 PM (8gDQu)
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The long march. It's working.
Posted by: the NEA at March 20, 2018 02:06 PM (6ceDf)
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Human Sacrifice and Bombs. Both Illegal. Coincidence?
Posted by: USMC8541 at March 20, 2018 02:06 PM (NmR1a)
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This is how we got "feminists" that are totes cool with FGM and Sharia Law.
Posted by: Guzalot at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (prSvo)
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This is where moral relativism leads. When I was in high school learning about the Aztecs, they were being portrayed sympathetically vis a vis the Spanish. When we got to the part about how they would sacrafice people and dance in their skins I said, in front of the class, "I'm glad the Spaniards conquered them. They deserved it."
Posted by: DanInMN at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (h5ffp)
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Huh. Marinate a culture in Political Correctness for 50 years. Imagine the result is psychotic children. Sociopaths really, completely unable to identify evil. Because Tolerance.
Guess this explains Obama, Clinton, the FBI, et.al.
Guess this explains Obama, Clinton, the FBI, et.al.
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (t41dG)
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"The Lottery"? You mean like Powerball?
Posted by: The Hag at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (iM8ao)
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This will make the Purification far easier in some ways.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (fA1SL)
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These students will be prey when the Burning Times come.
They will lie on their backs with their necks stretched, awaiting the knife.
They will lie on their backs with their necks stretched, awaiting the knife.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (dDMQ9)
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Yeah, passing judgment on reprehensible matters is so judgmental.
I believe we used to call it 'having a spine'.
Yeah, passing judgment on reprehensible matters is so judgmental.
I believe we used to call it 'having a spine'.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (LOgQ4)
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We hit the lotto!
Posted by: Planned Parenthood Kids at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (extUd)
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I always thought the story was a little scary, as was its purpose, but mostly because I thought that would be the one lottery I would "win".
Its also the story of blind obedience to people like obama.
I always thought the story was a little scary, as was its purpose, but mostly because I thought that would be the one lottery I would "win".
Its also the story of blind obedience to people like obama.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (r+sAi)
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And yet, if you suggest sacrificing a whale, or a dog, or even a dirty rat, they'll stage massive protests and hashtag campaigns and work to get you fired and removed from "polite" society.
Posted by: Todler at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (8D42x)
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My take: the teacher has become old and cranky and the student are fucking with her head.
Posted by: Max Power at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (QCc6B)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag! at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (rBnYq)
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And when was this a "staple of middle school literature?" I never heard of it. What I do remember reading was "The Giver" though, where the end of the book is the boy saving the life of his baby brother who the society had decided was too weak to live.
Posted by: buzzion at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (cAnNx)
Posted by: Diogenes at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (0tfLf)
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I had a hunch those Judeo-Christian teachings were good for something
Posted by: Mega at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (iM8ao)
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Not surprised, look at abortion statistics. That is essentially human sacrifice on an industrial scale.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (7ZVPa)
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Never read it. Never even heard of it. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 20, 2018 02:04 PM (8gDQu)
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I'm pretty sure, since you are under 29, you read 'The Giver' instead.
Shirley Jackson is one of the most underappreciated writers of the 20th C.
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I'm pretty sure, since you are under 29, you read 'The Giver' instead.
Shirley Jackson is one of the most underappreciated writers of the 20th C.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (MIKMs)
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I noticed that the Parkland kids didn't want to say anything bad about the lunatic gunman either.
This "world without shame" is a direct consequence of relativism being the religion of choice and a complete disaster with attendant "tragedies."
This "world without shame" is a direct consequence of relativism being the religion of choice and a complete disaster with attendant "tragedies."
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (CAKgV)
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I believe that turning our children into psychopaths with no moral compass is the endgame for Our Overlords and Social Engineers.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (/LX46)
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As long as they are more than ten miles away.
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (roQNm)
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Play responsibly.
Posted by: The Florida Lottery at March 20, 2018 02:09 PM (NWiLs)
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I'm not too impressed by teenagers saying "who are we to judge" when that is actually the most judgmental age of all. It sounds instead like a bunch of kids with the jaded and cynical pose because they, in their clumsy and dim manner, believe that is what a sophisticated adult is like.
And by the way - on one hand I am supposed to be worried by what the hyper-judgmental SJWs are doing with the mush-filled skulls of the teenagers and on the other hand I am supposed to be horrified at the cynical and jaded non-judgmentalism of teenagers.
The contradiction is um, kind of patent.
And by the way - on one hand I am supposed to be worried by what the hyper-judgmental SJWs are doing with the mush-filled skulls of the teenagers and on the other hand I am supposed to be horrified at the cynical and jaded non-judgmentalism of teenagers.
The contradiction is um, kind of patent.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Says Use Misery Marinade for Your Next BBQ! at March 20, 2018 02:09 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: wooga at March 20, 2018 02:09 PM (PnpIB)
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44 My take: the teacher has become old and cranky and the student are fucking with her head.
Posted by: Max Power at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (QCc6B)
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There's always that possibility...
Posted by: Max Power at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (QCc6B)
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There's always that possibility...
Posted by: Jackal at March 20, 2018 02:09 PM (1wgRH)
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If choosing to kill an unborn child for your own personal convenience is acceptable, why isn't the choice to kill for personal hunger acceptable?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 20, 2018 02:09 PM (ATVNj)
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Well, these little shits have grown up with The Hunger Games so to them it probably isn't a big deal.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 20, 2018 02:09 PM (0tfLf)
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Knock knock
Posted by: The Burning Times at March 20, 2018 02:09 PM (iM8ao)
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more likely afraid to counter what they think is the 'politically correct' opinion.
they've seen how teachers treat the kids that aren't 'with the program'
they've seen how teachers treat the kids that aren't 'with the program'
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at March 20, 2018 02:09 PM (RKQ/v)
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Human sacrifices WERE usually selected from the young and ....dumb. The teacher should have said "Well then let me get you all signed up for the sacrifice lottery. This makes it so much simpler."
It never enters their s(*#, spoiled brains it could be them.
It never enters their s(*#, spoiled brains it could be them.
Posted by: Lester at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (LfJIn)
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BURN THE WITCH!!!!
Posted by: Orson at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (mTe3b)
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Read "The Lottery" in middle school. Still remember being horrified by the ending the first time I read it.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (Dn4Uq)
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Planned Parentism in action.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (QQ+il)
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Similarly, a very lefty journalism teacher asked us in the Editorial Writing class, What do you believe is worth fighting for?
And the enviro chicky-poo said *Nothing* is worth fighting for.
A Blackfeet Vietnam vet was flabbergasted. Nothing? Nothing???
This was 30 years ago.
And the enviro chicky-poo said *Nothing* is worth fighting for.
A Blackfeet Vietnam vet was flabbergasted. Nothing? Nothing???
This was 30 years ago.
Posted by: jeanne del norte at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (PhsM5)
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Yankees and stoning, burning and trial by water. What's new about any of this?
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (2LelM)
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Shirley Jackson, isn't that the stupid Congresswoman that can't drive a car?
Posted by: tbodie at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (oM0mm)
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"Lord of the Flies" was published in 1954.
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (roQNm)
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46 And when was this a "staple of middle school literature?" I never heard of it. What I do remember reading was "The Giver" though, where the end of the book is the boy saving the life of his baby brother who the society had decided was too weak to live.
Posted by: buzzion at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (cAnNx)
Good movie too.
Posted by: buzzion at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (cAnNx)
Good movie too.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (NWiLs)
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I blame CNN. It's my number one go-to.
Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (2Mnv1)
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (vgnpr)
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My take: the teacher has become old and cranky and the student are fucking with her head.
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That might be true but the basic point is this is a trend she began noticing twenty years ago and has culminated, finally, and a completely amoral group.
I have no problem believing this is true. The hive-mind is especially strong with these kids as well, so what the teacher was told by one person would probably be replicated in other conversations.
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That might be true but the basic point is this is a trend she began noticing twenty years ago and has culminated, finally, and a completely amoral group.
I have no problem believing this is true. The hive-mind is especially strong with these kids as well, so what the teacher was told by one person would probably be replicated in other conversations.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag! at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (rBnYq)
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Why not judge? Be like Charles Napier
"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."
"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (+087i)
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Um, has the teacher heard of abortion and euthanasia? It's a real stretch from there to ritual stoning.
Posted by: ejochs at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (z1MNB)
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>>Posted by: DanInMN at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (h5ffp)
Reminds me of my 6th Grade Social Studies presentation on Afghanistan. Which was, essentially, 'It's a shithole.'
'Their National Sport is a form of Polo played with the carcass of a dead goat.'.
'Even the Russians would rather go back home, to Russia! - than stay there.'.
Reminds me of my 6th Grade Social Studies presentation on Afghanistan. Which was, essentially, 'It's a shithole.'
'Their National Sport is a form of Polo played with the carcass of a dead goat.'.
'Even the Russians would rather go back home, to Russia! - than stay there.'.
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (Nbpoo)
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I wonder how they feel about a religion that throws homosexuals off the roofs of tall buildings
I wonder how they feel about a religion that throws homosexuals off the roofs of tall buildings
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 02:10 PM (lKyWE)
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Should we stone Hillary to insure a good harvest? I'm asking for a friend.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (2LelM)
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These students will be prey when the Burning Times come.
They will lie on their backs with their necks stretched, awaiting the knife.
Posted by: Sharkman
Pro tip: Always use a blade. Save ammo for the truly dangerous.
They will lie on their backs with their necks stretched, awaiting the knife.
Posted by: Sharkman
Pro tip: Always use a blade. Save ammo for the truly dangerous.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (5t9V6)
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I'm not too impressed by teenagers saying "who are we to judge" when that is actually the most judgmental age of all.
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Some parents like to tell me they don't want to force things down their kids so that their kids can make up their own mind.
They are horrified when I tell them I take the exact opposite approach. Its called parenting. If I believe it, you better believe I think it important for my kids to believe it too. Of course, its more knowledge than belief.
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Some parents like to tell me they don't want to force things down their kids so that their kids can make up their own mind.
They are horrified when I tell them I take the exact opposite approach. Its called parenting. If I believe it, you better believe I think it important for my kids to believe it too. Of course, its more knowledge than belief.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (sX1BW)
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As an experiment I suggest the teacher switch to Animal Farm and ask the kids afterwards if the story is a how-to manual. I bet they say "yes".
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag! at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (rBnYq)
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Well I'll amend I have recently heard of it. There is apparently a Facebook page about exposing the corruption in my mostly rural home county. And it seemed kind of dumb but you know somewhat plausible. Shit like the kids of the county sheriff getting away with silly bullshit and stuff like that. But I'm scrolling down the page and get to a post that is apparently meant to connect The Lottery to my county. Riiiiiiight.
Posted by: buzzion at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (cAnNx)
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A real life version of the (great) Keanu Reeves movie "The Rivers Edge".
Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (FSP6v)
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Well, isn't this what the Left's moral relativism is supposed to produce?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (oVJmc)
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I can't believe that many of you have never heard of "The Lottery." Not read it, just heard of it.
Must be a different crowd than the one on Sunday Morning....
Must be a different crowd than the one on Sunday Morning....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (7uYFy)
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Rome felt fine about subduing the brits because the druids did human sacrifice. Not being good with human sacrifice is distinctly an idea born of civilization. They're dying for us to go back. Besides, the Left would love to be able to pick sacrifices.
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (CAKgV)
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it's because free speech is dead. I don't blame the kids for being unwilling to judge. it would be used against them.
Posted by: x at March 20, 2018 02:12 PM (nFwvY)
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You know who else changed the culture to produce a generation of little Eichmanns?
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 20, 2018 02:12 PM (QLvwG)
Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 20, 2018 02:12 PM (5OEn4)
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Somewhere in Hell, Adolph smiles.
Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 02:12 PM (gbWkA)
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Aztecs are literally giddy with this poll.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:12 PM (2LelM)
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Insomnia again Ace?
Posted by: Muad'dib at March 20, 2018 02:12 PM (sjdRT)
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Do people still have any doubts about our Overlords and Our Betters engaging in ritualistic human sacrifices, pedophilia, and cannibalism? This will become the norm in the next 10 years. This is some Old Testiment evil shit.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:12 PM (/LX46)
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Animal Farm was one required-reading school book that affected me very deeply. I believe it played a big part in forming my anti-Communist politics. That and learning that my relatives back in Italy were staunch anti-Commies.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 02:12 PM (Dn4Uq)
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Shirley Jackson is one of the most underappreciated writers of the 20th C.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM
She's not the only underappreciated S. Jackson of 20th Century, you know.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM
She's not the only underappreciated S. Jackson of 20th Century, you know.
Posted by: Shelia Jackson-Lee at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (ctuyM)
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The Millennials were the Boomers' fault. These kids, of the Tide pod persuasion, are the children of Gen X.
What a nightmare.
What a nightmare.
Posted by: Apostate at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (0Fq5T)
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On a positive note. They can't throw a grenade 30 meters when they come to round us up after we win the Dem lottery. And they are all really scared of guns.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (aVYsC)
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This was in the literary canon at the private school I attended.
Very good moral tale, I'm surprised it's still being assigned as reading. The Veldt by Ray Bradbury came to mind when I read Ace's post.
If you aren't familiar with it, read it too!
Very good moral tale, I'm surprised it's still being assigned as reading. The Veldt by Ray Bradbury came to mind when I read Ace's post.
If you aren't familiar with it, read it too!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (661ce)
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I don't remember reading this short story. I remember reading Lord of the Flies and thinking glad I don't wear glasses and roast pork is damn good. Oh wait....
Posted by: Penfold at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (Fbt5B)
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Yeah but its all theoretical to them. Even the main girl quoted "wrote passionately about saving the whales" so clearly she understands the value of at least some life and absolute value judgments. She just retreats into vain and vapid arguments about being non judgmental when confronted with something new because that's what she's been raised to do.
The cardinal sin of today is to make someone feel bad, so kids are taught to never, ever have any strong feelings or question anyone else lest they feel bad. Even when its patently obvious they ought to.
If you never learn to think, if you are never trained to make reasoned, analyzed judgments discerning the facts and understanding the consequences, then you fall back on memorized and trained patterns. Even if they are utterly contradictory and absurd.
Its not that kids are incapable of making value judgments, its that when confronted in the theoretical realm, they are not trained to think.
The cardinal sin of today is to make someone feel bad, so kids are taught to never, ever have any strong feelings or question anyone else lest they feel bad. Even when its patently obvious they ought to.
If you never learn to think, if you are never trained to make reasoned, analyzed judgments discerning the facts and understanding the consequences, then you fall back on memorized and trained patterns. Even if they are utterly contradictory and absurd.
Its not that kids are incapable of making value judgments, its that when confronted in the theoretical realm, they are not trained to think.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (39g3+)
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88. And a nice post number to reinforce the point.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (fA1SL)
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Spock was willing to sacrifice for the many, so are soldiers, so was Jesus.
But there was real reason for those sacrifices.
Still, what is the REAL moral of the Lottery story? To never sacrifice your life for your friend? To avoid the draft lottery by going to Canada? That all "old religions" are a relic of less progressive times?
idk, just asking questions. heh
But there was real reason for those sacrifices.
Still, what is the REAL moral of the Lottery story? To never sacrifice your life for your friend? To avoid the draft lottery by going to Canada? That all "old religions" are a relic of less progressive times?
idk, just asking questions. heh
Posted by: illiniwek at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (bT8Z4)
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Our culture is broken really the word should be shattered. Go long on guns, go even longer on ammunition. And pray that God has mercy on our world.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (0OmEj)
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73 My take: the teacher has become old and cranky and the student are fucking with her head.
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That might be true but the basic point is this is a trend she began noticing twenty years ago and has culminated, finally, and a completely amoral group.
No, I don't think they are either amoral or fucking with her. These kids have been conditioned to know not to judge others publicly their whole lives, and that is the worst sin. Look at the quote. The girl says "if it is a longstanding tradition, who are we to judge." Does that remind anyone here of any longstanding religions that frequently commit immoral acts in the name of Allah? Oops. Gave that one away.
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That might be true but the basic point is this is a trend she began noticing twenty years ago and has culminated, finally, and a completely amoral group.
No, I don't think they are either amoral or fucking with her. These kids have been conditioned to know not to judge others publicly their whole lives, and that is the worst sin. Look at the quote. The girl says "if it is a longstanding tradition, who are we to judge." Does that remind anyone here of any longstanding religions that frequently commit immoral acts in the name of Allah? Oops. Gave that one away.
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (+087i)
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i'm becoming more and more in favor of VERY late term abortions...
IYKWIMAITTYD.
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225th trimester.
IYKWIMAITTYD.
Posted by: redc1c4
225th trimester.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (5t9V6)
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He won the lottery, and died the next day....isn't it ironic...dontchya think?
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (7qnb5)
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I find "The Lottery" to be reprehensible and contrary to everything I value.
Imagine. State-sponsored gambling. How utterly disturbing.
Imagine. State-sponsored gambling. How utterly disturbing.
Posted by: Polly Progressive at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (MnkFD)
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Hey, why not... These kids have no moral bearing. They're willing to countenance Islam. They're willing to countenance (and vote for) Hillary Clinton. They're willing to countenance the attempted overthrow of a duly - elected government by a rogue intelligence apparatus, because their side didn't win.
All values are of equal value to this generation, and only the power to apply values matters.
That said, they have no inherent power, and we do. These adult children are weak of mind, body, and morals.
So when we exert our power, I don't want to hear any g-ddamn mewling and whinging about how it's "wrong."
I'm saying this, and I'm only 34 freaking years old. The teacher is right... something has changed dramatically in a short time. We may need to consider more-or-less permanent internment for the young. This generation is a serious net - negative to society, and they grow more detrimental by the day.
If they believe in the law of the jungle, then let's let them have it.
All values are of equal value to this generation, and only the power to apply values matters.
That said, they have no inherent power, and we do. These adult children are weak of mind, body, and morals.
So when we exert our power, I don't want to hear any g-ddamn mewling and whinging about how it's "wrong."
I'm saying this, and I'm only 34 freaking years old. The teacher is right... something has changed dramatically in a short time. We may need to consider more-or-less permanent internment for the young. This generation is a serious net - negative to society, and they grow more detrimental by the day.
If they believe in the law of the jungle, then let's let them have it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (POSRR)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (oVJmc)
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I remember a Sci-Fi short story of a similar nature but with a twist, the men of the town competed in a type of bodybuilders contest to determine which one would be eaten that year.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (QQ+il)
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I saw a social experiment on youtube where young people were being read English translated quotes from Mein Kampf and most if not all of them thought they were just peachy.
Posted by: navybrat at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (w7KSn)
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The only "shame" is in standing in the way of Progress.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (6bFre)
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And when was this a "staple of middle school literature?" I never heard of it. What I do remember reading was "The Giver" though, where the end of the book is the boy saving the life of his baby brother who the society had decided was too weak to live.
Posted by: buzzion at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (cAnNx)
Good movie too.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man
My wife informs me in the book the head of the 'village' (or what ever you want to call that community) was male, while in the movie the head was female (Meryl Streep).
If so, I prefer the movie version. Because I can see Hillary Clinton in Meryl Streeps performance.
Posted by: buzzion at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (cAnNx)
Good movie too.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man
My wife informs me in the book the head of the 'village' (or what ever you want to call that community) was male, while in the movie the head was female (Meryl Streep).
If so, I prefer the movie version. Because I can see Hillary Clinton in Meryl Streeps performance.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (LOgQ4)
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>>Everybody must get stoned.
*Busts into thread*
*Slits own throat*
*Jumps out 2nd story window*
*Busts into thread*
*Slits own throat*
*Jumps out 2nd story window*
Posted by: Naked WASP User at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (Nbpoo)
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Jackson's short story, "The Possibility of Evil" is also a great one. Appearances being deceiving and all.
Posted by: Jmel at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (cUPRJ)
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I wouldn't be surprised if most of Congress would approve sacrifices of conservatives. Daily.
Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (oiNtH)
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When you've had "don't judge" hammered into your heads all your life anything is acceptable.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (RD7QR)
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Jeebus, whatever happened to Lord of the Flies? Too gay?
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (2LelM)
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I appreciate the perplexity expressed by the teacher. The very next question she should have asked is, if you have been taught to make no judgments, then on what basis were the Nazis bad? Assuming they actually holocausted anyone, why judge them bad? Maybe it was a religious thing.
Posted by: Chestertonrocks at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (3rpCw)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (Dn4Uq)
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My take: the teacher has become old and cranky and the student are fucking with her head.
Posted by: Max Power at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (QCc6B)
No teenager in history has ever taken a stance just to get a teacher's goat or to be contrary for the sake of being contrary, or gone with peer pressure, or said something just because.
Never.
Posted by: Max Power at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (QCc6B)
No teenager in history has ever taken a stance just to get a teacher's goat or to be contrary for the sake of being contrary, or gone with peer pressure, or said something just because.
Never.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Says Use Misery Marinade for Your Next BBQ! at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM (hLRSq)
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52 I believe that turning our children into psychopaths with no moral compass is the endgame for Our Overlords and Social Engineers.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (/LX46)
It's one of the first steps in cult indoctrination. You need to break down the moral norms of the person and separate the person from those who hold "normal" views. Then you can replace it with anything you want, like worshipping the State.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (/LX46)
It's one of the first steps in cult indoctrination. You need to break down the moral norms of the person and separate the person from those who hold "normal" views. Then you can replace it with anything you want, like worshipping the State.
Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (tMFgx)
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Some parents like to tell me they don't want to force things down their kids so that their kids can make up their own mind.
They are horrified when I tell them I take the exact opposite approach. Its called parenting. If I believe it, you better believe I think it important for my kids to believe it too. Of course, its more knowledge than belief.Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (sX1BW)
Yeah, no shit. I run into this too and even in my own family. Even my husband is less overt about it than I am. Why in the world would I leave the people I love best in the world to flounder around in the cesspool of current culture and not give them the benefit of my opinion and store of facts?
People just don't want to "parent."
They are horrified when I tell them I take the exact opposite approach. Its called parenting. If I believe it, you better believe I think it important for my kids to believe it too. Of course, its more knowledge than belief.Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (sX1BW)
Yeah, no shit. I run into this too and even in my own family. Even my husband is less overt about it than I am. Why in the world would I leave the people I love best in the world to flounder around in the cesspool of current culture and not give them the benefit of my opinion and store of facts?
People just don't want to "parent."
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (CAKgV)
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See? I told you.
Posted by: Margaret Sanger at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (MnkFD)
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Well, isn't this what the Left's moral relativism is supposed to produce?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (oVJmc)
Exactly.
They learned not to "pass judgement" and that all "cultures are equal".
Then add the combination of broken home, no traditional religion in their lives and being hit with hundreds of thousands of violent images between movies, games and what they can get on the internet.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM (oVJmc)
Exactly.
They learned not to "pass judgement" and that all "cultures are equal".
Then add the combination of broken home, no traditional religion in their lives and being hit with hundreds of thousands of violent images between movies, games and what they can get on the internet.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (7uYFy)
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Leftism preaches hate, thats the moral of the story
Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (aC6Sd)
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On a positive note. They can't throw a grenade 30 meters when they come to round us up after we win the Dem lottery. And they are all really scared of guns.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM
Yea I think baby arms of rage Hogg would have a tough time getting my gun from me.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM
Yea I think baby arms of rage Hogg would have a tough time getting my gun from me.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (7qnb5)
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Must be a different crowd than the one on Sunday Morning....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM
Behold the power of 'Pants Required'.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM
Behold the power of 'Pants Required'.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (ctuyM)
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Our culture is broken really the word should be shattered. Go long on guns, go even longer on ammunition. And pray that God has mercy on our world.
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We have basically conquered material hardship. Unfortunately, in doing so we lost spiritual and cultural discipline.
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We have basically conquered material hardship. Unfortunately, in doing so we lost spiritual and cultural discipline.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (sX1BW)
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Have to go there: Is it really all that surprising when this generation was raised to believe that it's totes OK, even brave, to sacrifice your unborn child if its conception messes with your career, your savings plan, etc.?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (W+vEI)
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I do not understand people saying "I never heard of it" as if that's a badge of honor.
It's a book I encountered somewhere along the way. It has a twist ending that's not as good as Ender's Game. It's not quite canon but it's a book people should have heard of.
It's a book I encountered somewhere along the way. It has a twist ending that's not as good as Ender's Game. It's not quite canon but it's a book people should have heard of.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (fuK7c)
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I've never heard of it either.
But, what do we expect when we live in a society that celebrates the slaughter of the unborn and decries the conviction of a cop killer?
But, what do we expect when we live in a society that celebrates the slaughter of the unborn and decries the conviction of a cop killer?
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (RldqE)
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Posted by: DeporaBOT at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (y3aQB)
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Who are you to judge? Let me tell you who you are. You are the lucky recipient of 3,000 years of Western Civilization, and you live at the crowning peak of freedom and lack of want. You have every advantage handed to you on a silver platter, and you just have to wake up and reach for it. You are educated, wealthy (by most standards) and live without fear.
If you cannot bring yourself to determine right from wrong based upon the collected wisdom of 3 millennia, then you are an imbecile of the lowest class and should be locked up to protect society from your blithering idiocy.
That's who you are to judge. Now get to it.
If you cannot bring yourself to determine right from wrong based upon the collected wisdom of 3 millennia, then you are an imbecile of the lowest class and should be locked up to protect society from your blithering idiocy.
That's who you are to judge. Now get to it.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (7UW64)
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Priest made the point a few weeks ago that Christ was the last sacrifice we get to make.
Posted by: DaveA at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (FhXTo)
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Some parents like to tell me they don't want to force things down their kids so that their kids can make up their own mind.
They are horrified when I tell them I take the exact opposite approach. Its called parenting. If I believe it, you better believe I think it important for my kids to believe it too. Of course, its more knowledge than belief.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM
This!
Deciding to let the little darlings make up their own minds is nothing more than teaching them not to make any decision. And you can bet someone else is more than ready to step in and make up their minds for them.
They are horrified when I tell them I take the exact opposite approach. Its called parenting. If I believe it, you better believe I think it important for my kids to believe it too. Of course, its more knowledge than belief.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:11 PM
This!
Deciding to let the little darlings make up their own minds is nothing more than teaching them not to make any decision. And you can bet someone else is more than ready to step in and make up their minds for them.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 20, 2018 02:16 PM (0tfLf)
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Children of the Corn becomes a reality by 2021. He Who Walks Behind The Rows will win in a landslide in 2020.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:16 PM (/LX46)
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And yet, if you suggest sacrificing a whale, or a
dog, or even a dirty rat, they'll stage massive protests and hashtag
campaigns and work to get you fired and removed from "polite" society.
Posted by: Todler at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (8D42x)
IIRC, PETA protested the Ortho fire ant killer radio commercial and it got pulled for a while. Then Chevron smarted up and not only re-ran it but expanded on it with others.
dog, or even a dirty rat, they'll stage massive protests and hashtag
campaigns and work to get you fired and removed from "polite" society.
Posted by: Todler at March 20, 2018 02:07 PM (8D42x)
IIRC, PETA protested the Ortho fire ant killer radio commercial and it got pulled for a while. Then Chevron smarted up and not only re-ran it but expanded on it with others.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 20, 2018 02:16 PM (QLvwG)
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Never read it. I did see South Park's brilliant episode based on it though.
"Britney's New Look"
"Britney's New Look"
Posted by: Puddleglum at March 20, 2018 02:16 PM (ar2ec)
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 02:16 PM (CAKgV)
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I wonder how they feel about a religion that throws homosexuals off the roofs of tall buildings
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We think it's cool, so long as the religion is practiced by persons of darker-hued skin tones, in non-industrialized countries. After all, who are we to judge the practices of such naturally noble peoples?
But, on the other hand, if the religion is being practiced by white-skinned devils in industrialized, capitalistic, exploitative western nations, then clearly it is evil and wrong and must be stopped by any means possible!
I wonder how they feel about a religion that throws homosexuals off the roofs of tall buildings
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We think it's cool, so long as the religion is practiced by persons of darker-hued skin tones, in non-industrialized countries. After all, who are we to judge the practices of such naturally noble peoples?
But, on the other hand, if the religion is being practiced by white-skinned devils in industrialized, capitalistic, exploitative western nations, then clearly it is evil and wrong and must be stopped by any means possible!
Posted by: Millennial idjit at March 20, 2018 02:16 PM (fqUgw)
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In the Horde edit of The Lottery, the winner is thrown off of an IKEA shelf.
In the Horde edit of The Lottery, the winner is thrown off of an IKEA shelf.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (eXA4G)
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We have basically conquered material hardship. Unfortunately, in doing so we lost spiritual and cultural discipline.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (sX1BW)
Rough times make hard men, hard men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make rough times
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (sX1BW)
Rough times make hard men, hard men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make rough times
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (+087i)
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Rome felt fine about subduing the brits because the druids did human sacrifice. Not being good with human sacrifice is distinctly an idea born of civilization. They're dying for us to go back. Besides, the Left would love to be able to pick sacrifices.
The fact that Romans also practiced human sacrifice* was something they weren't particularly fond of emphasizing.
*Both in a disguised form as gladiator games and more overtly by burying people alive in times of crisis.
The fact that Romans also practiced human sacrifice* was something they weren't particularly fond of emphasizing.
*Both in a disguised form as gladiator games and more overtly by burying people alive in times of crisis.
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (bZ7mE)
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I think a lot of this supposed decay can be put down to simple immaturity. Remember these kids have been taught by their betters that 26 years olds are "children". A 9th grader now is probably like a 7th grader 25 years ago and a 5th grader 50 years ago.
It's rot, but it is not necessarily the rot we assume. Lefties have a lot of incentive to keep kids immature because it keeps them lefty longer. And longer is all they need.
It's rot, but it is not necessarily the rot we assume. Lefties have a lot of incentive to keep kids immature because it keeps them lefty longer. And longer is all they need.
Posted by: Mega at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (iM8ao)
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They'll be 'caring' for us when we're in the old peoples home.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (PNcou)
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At one point, a student explained she had been taught not to judge, and if this practice worked for them, who was she to argue differently.
So I guess she's okay with Jews controlling the weather
At one point, a student explained she had been taught not to judge, and if this practice worked for them, who was she to argue differently.
So I guess she's okay with Jews controlling the weather
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (lKyWE)
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As with all trends Progressive, there is a retreat from the individual.
SELF-sacrifice is noble. Ergo, if the self is denied, then Other-sacrifice must be equally noble.
SELF-sacrifice is noble. Ergo, if the self is denied, then Other-sacrifice must be equally noble.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (6bFre)
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No teenager in history has ever taken a stance just
to get a teacher's goat or to be contrary for the sake of being
contrary, or gone with peer pressure, or said something just because.
Never.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Says Use Misery Marinade for Your Next BBQ! at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM
This statement is rated Mostly True.
If it weren't for AtC, it would have made True.
to get a teacher's goat or to be contrary for the sake of being
contrary, or gone with peer pressure, or said something just because.
Never.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Says Use Misery Marinade for Your Next BBQ! at March 20, 2018 02:14 PM
This statement is rated Mostly True.
If it weren't for AtC, it would have made True.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (ctuyM)
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Behold the power of a generation that grew up on prescription drugs.
Posted by: Mega at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (iM8ao)
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You guys are wrong on one thing. . All cultures to them are equal. Except their own. That's an even scarier proposition. They are being taught systematically that the culture that gave them all these things is inferior.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (7qnb5)
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I'm saying this, and I'm only 34 freaking years old. The teacher is right... something has changed dramatically in a short time.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (POSRR)
Social media and the ubiquitous iPhone
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (POSRR)
Social media and the ubiquitous iPhone
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (7uYFy)
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141 77
I wonder how they feel about a religion that throws homosexuals off the roofs of tall buildings
_________________
Is that wrong? Someone should have told me.
I wonder how they feel about a religion that throws homosexuals off the roofs of tall buildings
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Is that wrong? Someone should have told me.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (3DZIZ)
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Do people still have any doubts about our Overlords and Our Betters engaging in ritualistic human sacrifices, pedophilia, and cannibalism? This will become the norm in the next 10 years.
This is some Old Testiment evil shit.
Posted by: Monk
Then release me from the New Testament restraints.
This is some Old Testiment evil shit.
Posted by: Monk
Then release me from the New Testament restraints.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (5t9V6)
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I do not understand people saying "I never heard of it" as if that's a badge of honor.
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I have heard of The Red Badge of Courage.
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I have heard of The Red Badge of Courage.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (sX1BW)
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Look who's a Judgy McJudgerson this morning.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (Dp6qK)
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Wicker Shim
Posted by: Zod at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (Bdeb0)
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Weird, I read the Lottery, the Velt, Lord of the Flies and Animal Farm (hated that one, but read it) in school. I also read Mein Kampf in high school.
Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (gbWkA)
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Jeebus, whatever happened to Lord of the Flies?
Venezuela is doing a national theatrical presentation.
Venezuela is doing a national theatrical presentation.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (r+sAi)
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146 They'll be 'caring' for us when we're in the old peoples home.
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Hopefully you don't have any tattoos that will trigger them.
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Hopefully you don't have any tattoos that will trigger them.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:19 PM (2LelM)
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Adam Schiff just called to say "hey, stoning the kid might be justified"
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag! at March 20, 2018 02:19 PM (rBnYq)
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It's a work of fiction, and eighth graders these days don't have the time to be bothered with fiction when "real life" drama is going on in Hollywood and in the halls of their schools.
Besides, nothing like that is ever going to happen to them, so why should they care?
Besides, nothing like that is ever going to happen to them, so why should they care?
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 20, 2018 02:19 PM (uDcBt)
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We never read the Lottery, either. Closest thing I recall is that Twilight Zone episode where the aliens arrive and offer wonderful technology and developments if only the earth forces all blacks to go on their space ship to an unknown destiny.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:19 PM (39g3+)
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Fuck school reading lists. It's all dark shit now that they don't read Mark Twain. 1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit 451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal Farm - all dark and depressing! They get one fucking genre - depressing! No wonder kids are so fucking depressed and suicidal! The government is crushing them and has been for decades so they'll have little broken humans to take care of and control.
Posted by: Dang at March 20, 2018 02:19 PM (8b+oT)
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The non judgemental position is SJW crap but the non plussed / bored attitude I think is just that this surprise ending is nothing new for the kids.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (4lzWT)
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the men of the town competed in a type of bodybuilders contest to determine which one would be eaten that year.
I like the cut of your jib and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
I like the cut of your jib and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Posted by: Shep Smith at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (PnpIB)
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The silver lining is that Generation Z will wipe these motherfuckers off the face of the earth without batting an eye.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (/LX46)
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23 Shirley Jackon's "The Lottery" is a staple of middle school literature textbooks.
Never read it. Never even heard of it.
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Seriously, what crap is this. We were reading Shakespeare in Jr. High. And that was a public school. A diverse one.
Posted by: SH
We did The Lottery and Shakespeare which is why I'm so well rounded, earyoudight, and do grammer so gud.
I wonder what the students thought of Lord of the Flies.
I wonder if this highschool and college generation actually roots for the Nazis when they watch The Sound of Music. I have no doubt that many root for the Nazis when they watch Schindler's List.
Never read it. Never even heard of it.
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Seriously, what crap is this. We were reading Shakespeare in Jr. High. And that was a public school. A diverse one.
Posted by: SH
We did The Lottery and Shakespeare which is why I'm so well rounded, earyoudight, and do grammer so gud.
I wonder what the students thought of Lord of the Flies.
I wonder if this highschool and college generation actually roots for the Nazis when they watch The Sound of Music. I have no doubt that many root for the Nazis when they watch Schindler's List.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (kfcYC)
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Do younger people ever spend even a moment of solitude in their daily lives? Or does the iPhone's flicker cast a glowing shadow of their entire lives?
With solitude comes contemplation and reflection--two things the younger generation lacks.
With solitude comes contemplation and reflection--two things the younger generation lacks.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (7uYFy)
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1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit 451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal Farm - all dark and depressing!
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You forgot "Bless the Beasts and the Children".
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You forgot "Bless the Beasts and the Children".
Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (8XRCm)
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Social media and the ubiquitous iPhone
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A good argument can be made that the Pill and the iPhone are the two most consequential (in a negative way) inventions of the past 75 years.
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A good argument can be made that the Pill and the iPhone are the two most consequential (in a negative way) inventions of the past 75 years.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (sX1BW)
173
Mein Kampf is now a self help best seller
Posted by: Miss Understood
Which is JUST LIKE "Art of the Deal" by Donald Trump.
So you may ask yourself, is Trump....JUST LIKE HITLER?
Well, of course. If you think Mein Kampf is just like "Art of the Deal". And yes, I know of a couple of high IQ Idiots that think just like that.
Posted by: Miss Understood
Which is JUST LIKE "Art of the Deal" by Donald Trump.
So you may ask yourself, is Trump....JUST LIKE HITLER?
Well, of course. If you think Mein Kampf is just like "Art of the Deal". And yes, I know of a couple of high IQ Idiots that think just like that.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 20, 2018 02:21 PM (vcOmj)
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If you do not know that these little products from leftist indoctrination would not think twice about supporting camps or death to our side you are not paying attention.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 20, 2018 02:21 PM (pw+jk)
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I do not understand people saying "I never heard of it" as if that's a badge of honor.
casts side-long glance....
casts side-long glance....
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 20, 2018 02:21 PM (ZQfW9)
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If by first time, you mean starting 20 odd years ago, then yes.
I do wonder how much of this is actual who are we to judge and how much of it is the Front Row Kids attempting to show how smart and sophisticated they are by rejecting the obvious and easy answer that human sacrifice is wrong. Have to get that good grade and prove how smart you are, after all.
I do wonder how much of this is actual who are we to judge and how much of it is the Front Row Kids attempting to show how smart and sophisticated they are by rejecting the obvious and easy answer that human sacrifice is wrong. Have to get that good grade and prove how smart you are, after all.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 20, 2018 02:21 PM (mf5HN)
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159 Weird, I read the Lottery, the Velt, Lord of the Flies and Animal Farm (hated that one, but read it) in school. I also read Mein Kampf in high school.
Posted by: Archer
I seem to recall that somebody took excerpts of Mein Kampf to a college campus, read it, and the youngin's agreed with it. Might have been Crowder or someone associated with him.
Posted by: Archer
I seem to recall that somebody took excerpts of Mein Kampf to a college campus, read it, and the youngin's agreed with it. Might have been Crowder or someone associated with him.
Posted by: Puddleglum at March 20, 2018 02:21 PM (ar2ec)
178
How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit ??
Posted by: Hudson at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (VWsDy)
179
'One Fish, Two-Fish, Weather Controlling Jew Fish'
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (Nbpoo)
180
We know of the story of what happens when a group of kids( boys) are left alone on a island
Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (aC6Sd)
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It shouldn't be all that shocking.
I know people mostly these days think of the teaching of human evolution as logical and rational compared with creationism, including most of the crowd here.
But consider the implications. If evolution is the base for which I give all children to understand their existence, than humanity is little more than just the latest arbitrary step in the grand cosmic accident, with no more or less importance than a cockroach in the grand scheme of things.
Is it inconceivable through that lens that I could arbitrarily value the life of a blue whale more so than that of a human, given we both have the same relative value? Worse yet, we follow on by classifying the human being as a pernicious blight that threatens all the other species and the globe itself.
Why gasp at what we have created?
I know people mostly these days think of the teaching of human evolution as logical and rational compared with creationism, including most of the crowd here.
But consider the implications. If evolution is the base for which I give all children to understand their existence, than humanity is little more than just the latest arbitrary step in the grand cosmic accident, with no more or less importance than a cockroach in the grand scheme of things.
Is it inconceivable through that lens that I could arbitrarily value the life of a blue whale more so than that of a human, given we both have the same relative value? Worse yet, we follow on by classifying the human being as a pernicious blight that threatens all the other species and the globe itself.
Why gasp at what we have created?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (661ce)
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Rough times make hard men, hard men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make rough times
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM
A hard man is good to find.
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:17 PM
A hard man is good to find.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (LOgQ4)
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134
Who are you to judge? Let me tell you who you are. You are the lucky recipient of 3,000 years of Western Civilization, and you live at the crowning peak of freedom and lack of want. You have every advantage handed to you on a silver platter, and you just have to wake up and reach for it. You are educated, wealthy (by most standards) and live without fear.
If you cannot bring yourself to determine right from wrong based upon the collected wisdom of 3 millennia, then you are an imbecile of the lowest class and should be locked up to protect society from your blithering idiocy.
That's who you are to judge. Now get to it.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (7UW64)
Thread winner, if we are judging.
Who are you to judge? Let me tell you who you are. You are the lucky recipient of 3,000 years of Western Civilization, and you live at the crowning peak of freedom and lack of want. You have every advantage handed to you on a silver platter, and you just have to wake up and reach for it. You are educated, wealthy (by most standards) and live without fear.
If you cannot bring yourself to determine right from wrong based upon the collected wisdom of 3 millennia, then you are an imbecile of the lowest class and should be locked up to protect society from your blithering idiocy.
That's who you are to judge. Now get to it.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (7UW64)
Thread winner, if we are judging.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (Dp6qK)
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This reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon where the security guy asks himself "If a cow is full of burgers where does the milk come from?".
After living the most secure lives in history who needs culture and religion to contain aggression. We can assume it will go on like this, no? Like electricity coming out of the wall. Or burgers out of the cow.
After living the most secure lives in history who needs culture and religion to contain aggression. We can assume it will go on like this, no? Like electricity coming out of the wall. Or burgers out of the cow.
Posted by: ahzoo at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (wK745)
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165 Fuck school reading lists. It's all dark shit now that they don't read Mark Twain. 1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit 451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal Farm - all dark and depressing! They get one fucking genre - depressing! No wonder kids are so fucking depressed and suicidal! The government is crushing them and has been for decades so they'll have little broken humans to take care of and control.
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Dang, most of our list was pretty dark. Thank God we weren't expected to read Moby Dick in 7th grade. Jeebus.
165 Fuck school reading lists. It's all dark shit now that they don't read Mark Twain. 1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit 451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal Farm - all dark and depressing! They get one fucking genre - depressing! No wonder kids are so fucking depressed and suicidal! The government is crushing them and has been for decades so they'll have little broken humans to take care of and control.
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Dang, most of our list was pretty dark. Thank God we weren't expected to read Moby Dick in 7th grade. Jeebus.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Shep Smith at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (PnpIB)
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the men of the town competed in a type of bodybuilders contest to determine which one would be eaten that year.
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Which one gets eaten, the most well developed, or the one least developed?
The most well developed should be required to make babies. The least developed should be culled from the herd. Simple animal husbandry.
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Which one gets eaten, the most well developed, or the one least developed?
The most well developed should be required to make babies. The least developed should be culled from the herd. Simple animal husbandry.
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (roQNm)
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We know of the story of what happens when a group of kids( boys) are left alone on a island
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I enjoyed the story where Brooke Shields was left on an island.
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I enjoyed the story where Brooke Shields was left on an island.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (sX1BW)
189
Of Mice and Men was good but depressing as hell.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (4lzWT)
190
I do not understand people saying "I never heard of it" as if that's a badge of honor.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (fuK7c)
It's just a fact. Though I am a little proud of it. So sue me.
I covered that exact type of material, though, in Genesis with the aborted sacrifice of Isaac.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (fuK7c)
It's just a fact. Though I am a little proud of it. So sue me.
I covered that exact type of material, though, in Genesis with the aborted sacrifice of Isaac.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (8gDQu)
191
I do wonder if the popular tween book and movies series "The Hunger Games" has blunted their reaction. And compared to the Hunger Games, it sounds maybe a little bit less awful - just one death and done vs. mandatory sport of it?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (W+vEI)
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176 If by first time, you mean starting 20 odd years ago, then yes.
I do wonder how much of this is actual who are we to judge and how much of it is the Front Row Kids attempting to show how smart and sophisticated they are by rejecting the obvious and easy answer that human sacrifice is wrong. Have to get that good grade and prove how smart you are, after all.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 20, 2018 02:21 PM (mf5HN)
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In other words, they're bullshitting. I hope that's the case.
I do wonder how much of this is actual who are we to judge and how much of it is the Front Row Kids attempting to show how smart and sophisticated they are by rejecting the obvious and easy answer that human sacrifice is wrong. Have to get that good grade and prove how smart you are, after all.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 20, 2018 02:21 PM (mf5HN)
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In other words, they're bullshitting. I hope that's the case.
Posted by: Jackal at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (1wgRH)
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PG County MD public education here. Never read The Lottery. Was assigned Canterbury Tales and slogged thru it, even the sex parts. Was no Penthouse Forum though.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (QLvwG)
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Read "We Have Always Lived In The Castle" about twenty years ago -very good novel. Never read "The Lottery".+
Those library books aren't going to turn themselves in.
Read "We Have Always Lived In The Castle" about twenty years ago -very good novel. Never read "The Lottery".+
Those library books aren't going to turn themselves in.
Posted by: Glenn John at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (LilNs)
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I've had an ongoing argument/discussion with my friends many times over the last few decades...What good has the Catholic Church ever done? My response has always been that it provides the basis for morality. Good and Evil aren't fictional concepts. There's a difference between good and evil, right and wrong, truth and lies. The Church has done a pretty good job of emphasizing the fact that good and evil exist. If the world turns atheist, it will only take a generation or two for the concept of good and evil to disappear completely. And that's when anything will be acceptable.
Posted by: pete at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (meg+g)
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Thread winner, if we are judging.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner
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Seconded.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner
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Seconded.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (fqUgw)
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'One Fish, Two-Fish, Weather Controlling Jew Fish'
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (Nbpoo)
I am still somewhat impressed that someone found a newish way to anti-Semite.
Also look at you with the poo hash.
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 02:22 PM (Nbpoo)
I am still somewhat impressed that someone found a newish way to anti-Semite.
Also look at you with the poo hash.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (mf5HN)
198
The fact that Romans also practiced human sacrifice* was something they weren't particularly fond of emphasizing.
Yeah it was an acceptable practice in an emergency, but they saw it as being more sophisticated not like those barbarians.
Yeah it was an acceptable practice in an emergency, but they saw it as being more sophisticated not like those barbarians.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (39g3+)
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'FINNY DIES'
'GEORGE SHOOTS LENNY IN THE HEAD'
That's what I remember from my 8th grade English class.
Right inside the cover of both books.
'GEORGE SHOOTS LENNY IN THE HEAD'
That's what I remember from my 8th grade English class.
Right inside the cover of both books.
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (Nbpoo)
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171 1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit 451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal Farm - all dark and depressing!
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You forgot "Bless the Beasts and the Children".
Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM
Huck Finn
The Pearl
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You forgot "Bless the Beasts and the Children".
Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM
Huck Finn
The Pearl
Posted by: Diogenes at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (0tfLf)
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The first book that really got me reading was 'Blow, Baby, Blow'. I found it in the gutter and would read it in the woods before dinner. I had to think a lot about baseball before coming inside cuz of things.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (2LelM)
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177 - Have you read it?
Posted by: ahzoo at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (wK745)
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Let me guess: that little non-judgmental SJW is all for abortion and vehemently against the death penalty...
And she then says that she was taught not to judge. Come here, lammie-pie and let me whisper something in your ear....
YOU WERE RAISED WRONG!
And she then says that she was taught not to judge. Come here, lammie-pie and let me whisper something in your ear....
YOU WERE RAISED WRONG!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (GdWl+)
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Although Mein kampf was really boring, the worse was Das Kapital.
Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (gbWkA)
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A good argument can be made that the Pill and the iPhone are the two most consequential (in a negative way) inventions of the past 75 years.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (sX1BW)
I would also agree with the Pill--supplemented by the 1965 Immigration Act. They have worked in tandem to change demographics at a much more accelerated rate than what might have happened naturally.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (sX1BW)
I would also agree with the Pill--supplemented by the 1965 Immigration Act. They have worked in tandem to change demographics at a much more accelerated rate than what might have happened naturally.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (7uYFy)
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But is controlling the weather really all that anti semitic? I mean that's pretty badass.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (39g3+)
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73 My take: the teacher has become old and cranky and the student are fucking with her head.
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That might be true but the basic point is this is a trend she began noticing twenty years ago and has culminated, finally, and a completely amoral group.
I have no problem believing this is true. The hive-mind is especially strong with these kids as well, so what the teacher was told by one person would probably be replicated in other conversations.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag!
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Call me pessimistic here but Teach needs to show me some notes or something backing this up. Handwritten, stone tablets, whatever but some me your notes then I'll believe its not the kids just messing with her.
I know I did some shady "mess with the teacher stuff" on multiple occasions back in the %$'s that they surely weren't thinking off the decade before us punks and since kids are very creative then I wouldn't put it past them to do exactly this.
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That might be true but the basic point is this is a trend she began noticing twenty years ago and has culminated, finally, and a completely amoral group.
I have no problem believing this is true. The hive-mind is especially strong with these kids as well, so what the teacher was told by one person would probably be replicated in other conversations.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag!
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Call me pessimistic here but Teach needs to show me some notes or something backing this up. Handwritten, stone tablets, whatever but some me your notes then I'll believe its not the kids just messing with her.
I know I did some shady "mess with the teacher stuff" on multiple occasions back in the %$'s that they surely weren't thinking off the decade before us punks and since kids are very creative then I wouldn't put it past them to do exactly this.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at March 20, 2018 02:25 PM (9B/d8)
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I enjoyed the story where Brooke Shields was left on an island.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (sX1BW)
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Dang, wish I'd thought of that.
Would have been cheaper than the divorce.
I enjoyed the story where Brooke Shields was left on an island.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (sX1BW)
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Dang, wish I'd thought of that.
Would have been cheaper than the divorce.
Posted by: Andre Agassi at March 20, 2018 02:25 PM (fqUgw)
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So I read some of my 8th grader's short stories and thought, holy shit, he's nuts. He said that he was writing them as if they were "stranger things" episodes and he's not actually that creepy.
Scared me a bit at first. If he were a gothy recluse I'd be more worried, but he's the opposite.
Scared me a bit at first. If he were a gothy recluse I'd be more worried, but he's the opposite.
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 02:25 PM (CAKgV)
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171 1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit 451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal Farm - all dark and depressing!
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You forgot "Bless the Beasts and the Children".
Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (8XRCm)
___________________________
add Black Like Me; and Metamorphosis
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You forgot "Bless the Beasts and the Children".
Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (8XRCm)
___________________________
add Black Like Me; and Metamorphosis
Posted by: Orson at March 20, 2018 02:25 PM (mTe3b)
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So I guess these non-judgmental gentle folk from the SJW camp will embrace someone flying the Stars and Bars?
NRA sticker on a car.
And numerous other examples of "Not wanting to judge".
NRA sticker on a car.
And numerous other examples of "Not wanting to judge".
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 20, 2018 02:25 PM (EyPfd)
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A generation raised on Hunger Game series, GOT, all preverse type of things...we shouldn't be that surprised.
Islam is the religion of peace crap and don't judge... notice she said if a long time religion, let them.
I'm not surprised. I'm sickened.
The problem is the teacher didn't know how to engage the students and get them to really think it through and change their minds.
That's a huge problem. But the schools seem to all have this problem. Do they even use the Socratic method anymore?
Because she could have made that girl realize she does judge...all the time.
And that "not judge" thing is a bunch of hooey.
Islam is the religion of peace crap and don't judge... notice she said if a long time religion, let them.
I'm not surprised. I'm sickened.
The problem is the teacher didn't know how to engage the students and get them to really think it through and change their minds.
That's a huge problem. But the schools seem to all have this problem. Do they even use the Socratic method anymore?
Because she could have made that girl realize she does judge...all the time.
And that "not judge" thing is a bunch of hooey.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 02:25 PM (LZJOv)
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I don't know guys, this is the age group of kids raised on high speed internet since they were babies. They were watching gore, rape porn, snuff films, and other darkweb vile shit probably before age 12.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:25 PM (/LX46)
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Who are you to judge? Let me tell you who you are. You are the lucky recipient of 3,000 years of Western Civilization, and you live at the crowning peak of freedom and lack of want. You have every advantage handed to you on a silver platter, and you just have to wake up and reach for it. You are educated, wealthy (by most standards) and live without fear.
If you cannot bring yourself to determine right from wrong based upon the collected wisdom of 3 millennia, then you are an imbecile of the lowest class and should be locked up to protect society from your blithering idiocy.
That's who you are to judge. Now get to it.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (7UW64)
This needs to be written with letters deep as a spear is long on the fire-stones on the Secret Hill.
If you cannot bring yourself to determine right from wrong based upon the collected wisdom of 3 millennia, then you are an imbecile of the lowest class and should be locked up to protect society from your blithering idiocy.
That's who you are to judge. Now get to it.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (7UW64)
This needs to be written with letters deep as a spear is long on the fire-stones on the Secret Hill.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 02:25 PM (QQ+il)
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I do not understand people saying "I never heard of it" as if that's a badge of honor.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (fuK7c)
Evidently you've never been around for a comic book thread
I do not understand people saying "I never heard of it" as if that's a badge of honor.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (fuK7c)
Evidently you've never been around for a comic book thread
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (lKyWE)
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I never took fiction seriously. I know it isn't real.
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (+lOpA)
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>>> I have no doubt that many root for the Nazis when they watch Schindler's List.<<<
That pot and pan manufactory was a secret radar installation for manipulating the weather.
That pot and pan manufactory was a secret radar installation for manipulating the weather.
Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (2Mnv1)
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171 1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit 451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal Farm - all dark and depressing!
Those are things I would consider required reading.
Those are things I would consider required reading.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (NWiLs)
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Ace sez:
"Teacher Says That For First Time In Her Long Career, a Class Has Refused to Pass Judgment Against the Human Sacrifice Depicted in Shirley Jackson's Cautionary Tale "The Lottery""
But the article states that the incident (of students not passing judgment on The Lottery) happened in the late 1990s. Which was 20 years ago.
So, civilization came to an end 20 years ago already.
"Teacher Says That For First Time In Her Long Career, a Class Has Refused to Pass Judgment Against the Human Sacrifice Depicted in Shirley Jackson's Cautionary Tale "The Lottery""
But the article states that the incident (of students not passing judgment on The Lottery) happened in the late 1990s. Which was 20 years ago.
So, civilization came to an end 20 years ago already.
Posted by: zombie at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (42M22)
220
I do wonder if the popular tween book and movies
series "The Hunger Games" has blunted their reaction. And compared to
the Hunger Games, it sounds maybe a little bit less awful - just one
death and done vs. mandatory sport of it?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (W+vEI)
NEITHER! Behold the power of.....
series "The Hunger Games" has blunted their reaction. And compared to
the Hunger Games, it sounds maybe a little bit less awful - just one
death and done vs. mandatory sport of it?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 02:23 PM (W+vEI)
NEITHER! Behold the power of.....
Posted by: NC Ref at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (pAx+1)
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The fact that Romans also practiced human sacrifice* was something they weren't particularly fond of emphasizing.
Yeah it was an acceptable practice in an emergency, but they saw it as being more sophisticated not like those barbarians.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (39g3+)
To be fair, human sacrifice was frowned upon by the Romans fairly early in the Republic. It was never used by the time of Caesar.
Yeah it was an acceptable practice in an emergency, but they saw it as being more sophisticated not like those barbarians.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (39g3+)
To be fair, human sacrifice was frowned upon by the Romans fairly early in the Republic. It was never used by the time of Caesar.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (7uYFy)
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The microagression generation doesn't understand moral equivalency. I'm shocked! Their parents must be saints.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (rdl6o)
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>>I do wonder how much of this is actual who are we to judge and how much of it is the Front Row Kids attempting to show how smart and sophisticated they are by rejecting the obvious and easy answer that human sacrifice is wrong. Have to get that good grade and prove how smart you are, after all.
Well, if the Penn law prof. Amy Wax story is any indication, they would be doing this to please their 'who are we to judge' teachers.
Well, if the Penn law prof. Amy Wax story is any indication, they would be doing this to please their 'who are we to judge' teachers.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 02:27 PM (W+vEI)
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The "winner" of the lottery that gets murdered is the real lucky one. I wouldn't want to live back in those days when there wasn't the internet and cell phones. And who wants to have get all sweaty out in the hot sun picking corn, potatoes or whatever?
Posted by: Average Student at March 20, 2018 02:27 PM (WrMOC)
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I don't know guys, this is the age group of kids raised on high speed internet since they were babies. They were watching gore, rape porn, snuff films, and other darkweb vile shit probably before age 12.
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True, those of us of a certain age tried to view those things as well. But our modems froze up half way through after waiting for 30 minutes. So then we just went outside.
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True, those of us of a certain age tried to view those things as well. But our modems froze up half way through after waiting for 30 minutes. So then we just went outside.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:27 PM (sX1BW)
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I covered that exact type of material, though, in Genesis with the aborted sacrifice of Isaac.
Great Dylan song. Happened out on Highway 61.
Great Dylan song. Happened out on Highway 61.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:27 PM (fuK7c)
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Like I said. They are taught not to judge and that all cultures are equal. Except their own. They are being taught that their culture is beneath all others. The very same culture that affords them the rights to be little shits.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 02:27 PM (7qnb5)
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>>I never took fiction seriously. I know it isn't real.
I'll suspend my disbelief.
But, I'll have you know that I am not doing so willingly.
I'll suspend my disbelief.
But, I'll have you know that I am not doing so willingly.
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (Nbpoo)
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Adam Schiff just called to say "hey, stoning the kid might be justified"
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag!
You should not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned!
Wait, what?
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag!
You should not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned!
Wait, what?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (vcOmj)
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Could it just be that the trope is no longer a shocker? Cultural osmosis has flowed it through enough that the ending is boring and predictable?
Posted by: GeoSTI at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (w1GWh)
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Rome felt fine about subduing the brits because the druids did human sacrifice.
The Carthagenians were accused of that, too, though it's hard to tell how much of that was Roman propaganda.
Last I read, we really don't know much about the Carthaginian culture that hasn't been filtered through Roman propaganda, but we know one thing for sure: They lost, and they were LOSERS.
Okay, two things.
The Carthagenians were accused of that, too, though it's hard to tell how much of that was Roman propaganda.
Last I read, we really don't know much about the Carthaginian culture that hasn't been filtered through Roman propaganda, but we know one thing for sure: They lost, and they were LOSERS.
Okay, two things.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hXeKX)
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218 171 1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit 451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal Farm - all dark and depressing!
Those are things I would consider required reading.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (NWiLs)
Res ipsa loquitur
Those are things I would consider required reading.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (NWiLs)
Res ipsa loquitur
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hMwEB)
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The problem with high school Shakespeare is, they give you the non-sexy stuff like Julius Caesar because it's non-sexy.
Kids would be much more likely to get into something like Much Ado About Nothing.
Kids would be much more likely to get into something like Much Ado About Nothing.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (Dn4Uq)
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It's like taking "The Twilight Zone" seriously.
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (+lOpA)
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I covered that exact type of material, though, in Genesis with the aborted sacrifice of Isaac.
Great Dylan song. Happened out on Highway 61.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:27 PM (fuK7c)
Man, you must be putting me on.....
Great Dylan song. Happened out on Highway 61.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:27 PM (fuK7c)
Man, you must be putting me on.....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (7uYFy)
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Generation sociopath
Posted by: TJ at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (nM2+j)
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Posted by: tcn in AK at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM
Hmm...I approve of the cut of your jib and would like to inquire about any newsletters you might have.
Hmm...I approve of the cut of your jib and would like to inquire about any newsletters you might have.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (p+Wdc)
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168 The silver lining is that Generation Z will wipe these motherfuckers off the face of the earth without batting an eye.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (/LX46)
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And then a herd of unicorns will come in a cloud of sprinkles!!!!!
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM (/LX46)
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And then a herd of unicorns will come in a cloud of sprinkles!!!!!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (0jtPF)
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good argument can be made that the Pill and the iPhone are the two most consequential (in a negative way) inventions of the past 75 years.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM
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Don't forget television, the product that when used, causes brain activity lower than when one is in a coma.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:20 PM
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Don't forget television, the product that when used, causes brain activity lower than when one is in a coma.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (7ZVPa)
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Who are you to judge? Let me tell you who you are. You are the lucky recipient of 3,000 years of Western Civilization, and you live at the crowning peak of freedom and lack of want.
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I'm also a sinner who can judge knowing that I can be judged as well.
Then again, not all sins are equal.
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I'm also a sinner who can judge knowing that I can be judged as well.
Then again, not all sins are equal.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (sX1BW)
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Fook, the heirs to the Enlightenment casting aside their birthright...that sort of thing never worked out well, whether for a "mess o'pottage" or the latest iPhone.
Prayin' for a miracle, because there's no way we're getting out of this on our own.
Prayin' for a miracle, because there's no way we're getting out of this on our own.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (AM1GF)
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Do not judge does not mean that kind of judgment because the statement would contradict itself. It's referring to the need for due process in matters of judgment. It's a call for critical thinking and logic on these matters. But that's what you get when you teach a generation to run on feelings.
Posted by: akelm88 at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (dNh/A)
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43 And yet, if you suggest sacrificing a whale, or a dog, or even a dirty rat, they'll stage massive protests and hashtag campaigns and work to get you fired and removed from "polite" society.
Posted by: Todler
"That dirty rat, see...he killed my brother, now I'm gonna kill him."
Posted by: Todler
"That dirty rat, see...he killed my brother, now I'm gonna kill him."
Posted by: Steve Lawrence homage to James Cagney at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (kfcYC)
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I read a fairly recent article that there was archeological evidence suggesting Carthage did sacrifice babies.
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:29 PM (hMwEB)
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Gonna need more Tide pods. And more bug spray. Much more.
Posted by: cool breeze at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM (UGKMd)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM (vcOmj)
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Hey, as long as the human sacrifice isn't done with ebil gunz!
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM (rdl6o)
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232 218 171 1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit 451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal Farm - all dark and depressing!
Those are things I would consider required reading.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (NWiLs)
Res ipsa loquitur
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hMwEB)
Heh. But seriously, those are significant works of literature (though I don't know about Owl Creek, never read that) I think any person who wants to claim to be well-read needs to have read. Especially Orwell's works, which were an alarm bell and still are.
Those are things I would consider required reading.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (NWiLs)
Res ipsa loquitur
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hMwEB)
Heh. But seriously, those are significant works of literature (though I don't know about Owl Creek, never read that) I think any person who wants to claim to be well-read needs to have read. Especially Orwell's works, which were an alarm bell and still are.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM (NWiLs)
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So, civilization came to an end 20 years ago already.
Posted by: zombie
It's a long, long way down.
https://youtu.be/GSPDTJJchw0
Posted by: zombie
It's a long, long way down.
https://youtu.be/GSPDTJJchw0
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM (KXVP7)
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Literature becomes the living memory of a nation.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
( Wonder how many of the newest generations could read through one of his books and still be unable to make a judgment call of good and evil.)
Literature becomes the living memory of a nation.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
( Wonder how many of the newest generations could read through one of his books and still be unable to make a judgment call of good and evil.)
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM (LOgQ4)
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I think kids nowadays simply can't take a story (or a video game, or a movie) and overlay it into real life. They can't put themselves into the lottery winner's shoes- i.e. the terror they must feel. Today's youth are lacking real empathy and they scare me.
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM (GdWl+)
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After decades of scholarship denying that the Carthaginians sacrificed their children, new research has found 'overwhelming' evidence that this ancient civilisation really did carry out the practice.
http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2014-01-23-ancient-
carthaginians-really-did-sacrifice-their-children
http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2014-01-23-ancient-
carthaginians-really-did-sacrifice-their-children
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:31 PM (hMwEB)
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When we 'like' on Facebook we 'like' non-judgmentally.
When we 'like' on Facebook we 'like' non-judgmentally.
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:31 PM (roQNm)
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Hard to believe that Shirley can sing back up on such hits as "I Think I Love You" and "I Can Feel Your Heartbeat", and then turn around and write such a dark tale.
Posted by: Duncan MacKochinar at March 20, 2018 02:31 PM (i60k0)
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That might be true but the basic point is this is a trend she began noticing twenty years ago and has culminated, finally, and a completely amoral group.
I have no problem believing this is true. The hive-mind is especially strong with these kids as well, so what the teacher was told by one person would probably be replicated in other conversations.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag!
Yea, if she had said a class or two, I'd think the kids were messing with her. But a trend since the 90s?
And couple that with all the other stuff we are seeing with kids, and education failures, and it is easy to believe.
I have no problem believing this is true. The hive-mind is especially strong with these kids as well, so what the teacher was told by one person would probably be replicated in other conversations.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from the gulag!
Yea, if she had said a class or two, I'd think the kids were messing with her. But a trend since the 90s?
And couple that with all the other stuff we are seeing with kids, and education failures, and it is easy to believe.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 02:31 PM (LZJOv)
Posted by: "Things Fall Apart" by Chinua Achebe at March 20, 2018 02:31 PM (Nbpoo)
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Kids need to read Solzhenitsyn too.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:31 PM (NWiLs)
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Last I read, we really don't know much about the Carthaginian culture that hasn't been filtered through Roman propaganda, but we know one thing for sure: They lost, and they were LOSERS.
Okay, two things.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hXeKX)
But only after Hannibal ran ragged over Rome for years and drove them absolutely crazy. He was undefeated going into the Super Bowl but then got beaten like a red-headed stepchild.
Okay, two things.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hXeKX)
But only after Hannibal ran ragged over Rome for years and drove them absolutely crazy. He was undefeated going into the Super Bowl but then got beaten like a red-headed stepchild.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 20, 2018 02:31 PM (8gDQu)
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230 Could it just be that the trope is no longer a shocker? Cultural osmosis has flowed it through enough that the ending is boring and predictable?
Posted by: GeoSTI at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (w1GWh)
With Game of Thrones and Walking Dead on TV, who can really be fazed by this twist ending?
Posted by: GeoSTI at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (w1GWh)
With Game of Thrones and Walking Dead on TV, who can really be fazed by this twist ending?
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (+lOpA)
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The story really has nothing to do with human sacrifice or the morality of stoning.
From the last words of the person who "won" the lottery, the lesson comes out:
"It's not fair. It's not right."
This story teaches the difference between what is fair and what is right.
Was it fair? Of course. Perfectly fair, no favoritism, no cheating.
Was it right? Of course not.
The story shows the stark difference and leads to discussions on other things that are fair but not right. People can take that in a thousand directions from democratic elections to affirmative action.
But really, it's a pretty simple message.
From the last words of the person who "won" the lottery, the lesson comes out:
"It's not fair. It's not right."
This story teaches the difference between what is fair and what is right.
Was it fair? Of course. Perfectly fair, no favoritism, no cheating.
Was it right? Of course not.
The story shows the stark difference and leads to discussions on other things that are fair but not right. People can take that in a thousand directions from democratic elections to affirmative action.
But really, it's a pretty simple message.
Posted by: Jwest at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (/roJx)
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When someone says they are non judgemental it means only for certain things. They are usually quite judgmental in the right areas.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (pw+jk)
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I don't judge anyone, ever.
But I'm still up for the jobs of jury and executioner if anyone's looking...
But I'm still up for the jobs of jury and executioner if anyone's looking...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (6bFre)
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The one book that SHOULD be required reading in all Junior Highs or High schools is "Anthem," a short novella by Ayn Rand. By far her most "readable" book, and also shortest. And also less confusing. "Anthem" is a devastating condemnation of collectivism; once you read it, you can never accept communism or totalitarianism as your world view. Ever. It's like a permanent inoculation against later attempts at collectivist brainwashing.
The plot envisions a future society where there is no single-person pronoun. Everything is "we" and "us." The government banned the words "I" and "we" in an attempt to socially engineer away the personality trait of individuality. People grow up thinking themselves part of a hive, not as separate entities.
But then, needless to say, our hero discovers an old book that has the word "I" in it, and everything changes.
The plot envisions a future society where there is no single-person pronoun. Everything is "we" and "us." The government banned the words "I" and "we" in an attempt to socially engineer away the personality trait of individuality. People grow up thinking themselves part of a hive, not as separate entities.
But then, needless to say, our hero discovers an old book that has the word "I" in it, and everything changes.
Posted by: zombie at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (42M22)
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I still hated having to plow through Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. Jeebus, that man really needed an editor.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Zombie Mohammed at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (y2HeD)
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Not having done it in high-school, I read The Catcher in The Rye last year to see what the big deal was about. It didn't work.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 20, 2018 02:33 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: zombie at March 20, 2018 02:33 PM (42M22)
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"I'm not judgemental at all. Unlike those pigeon-f*ckers over there! Screw those guys!"
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 20, 2018 02:33 PM (6bFre)
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 02:33 PM (Nbpoo)
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We did have a picture up yesterday of Trump examining a black babyfor sacrifice.
We did have a picture up yesterday of Trump examining a black babyfor sacrifice.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (lKyWE)
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Metamorphosis?
Sounds Kafkaesque.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM
Reading it was a trial.
Sounds Kafkaesque.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 20, 2018 02:30 PM
Reading it was a trial.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (p+Wdc)
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I'm OK with a Logan's Run scenario as long as I get the young Jenny Agutter
Posted by: BigZesty at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (hJn/J)
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258 Kids need to read Solzhenitsyn too.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:31 PM (NWiLs)
absolutely
although maybe an abridged version ...
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:31 PM (NWiLs)
absolutely
although maybe an abridged version ...
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (hMwEB)
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It's like taking "The Twilight Zone" seriously.
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Previous generation's nightmares are now commonplaces.
It's like taking "The Twilight Zone" seriously.
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Previous generation's nightmares are now commonplaces.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (MIKMs)
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I never took fiction seriously. i know it isn't real.
Isn't that what atheists and most of the left says about
The Bible?
Isn't that what atheists and most of the left says about
The Bible?
Posted by: Glenn John at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (LilNs)
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I do not understand people saying "I never heard of it" as if that's a badge of honor.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (fuK7c)
no comment thread on any type of conservative-leaning article on any type of popular culture would be complete without at least one
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:15 PM (fuK7c)
no comment thread on any type of conservative-leaning article on any type of popular culture would be complete without at least one
Posted by: brak at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (VckGX)
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Who is anyone to judge?
These fine young people are so enlightened. It warms my heart so.
Now, if you all would be so kind as to get into these nice trains. You don't need a ticket. Your travel arrangements are free, courtesy of the government.
There is no need to bring your luggage with you. We will make sure you get it when you get to your destination.
Most importantly, don't make trouble and don't bother us with trivial questions about morality and life.
These fine young people are so enlightened. It warms my heart so.
Now, if you all would be so kind as to get into these nice trains. You don't need a ticket. Your travel arrangements are free, courtesy of the government.
There is no need to bring your luggage with you. We will make sure you get it when you get to your destination.
Most importantly, don't make trouble and don't bother us with trivial questions about morality and life.
Posted by: Ghosts of 1939 at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (MnkFD)
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With Game of Thrones and Walking Dead on TV, who can really be fazed by this twist ending?
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (+lOpA)
I know, right. - The Tiger and the Lady
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (+lOpA)
I know, right. - The Tiger and the Lady
Posted by: auscolpyr at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (suO/a)
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See also - Mind, American, the Closing of
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (fA1SL)
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Well, I was taught to judge people, and quite frankly, most of you are in need of improvement.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (1ISKN)
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I still hated having to plow through Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. Jeebus, that man really needed an editor.
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I think the primary value of reading some books is just to know that you can plow through something as dense as Dickens or any Russian author. There is a pride of accomplishment.
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I think the primary value of reading some books is just to know that you can plow through something as dense as Dickens or any Russian author. There is a pride of accomplishment.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (sX1BW)
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Meh. Part of the outrage in 1948 wasn't that human sacrifice was offensive -- it was that it was equating that capricious, vicious brutality with traditional religion and traditional mores.
The fact that people are losing grip on the metaphor and treating the actions literally is depressing on two fronts. But it doesn't make the original genius or anything.
Posted by: sunny-dee at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (QAOZh)
Yep, that was always the problem with the story. It's a progressive morality tale about how we should abandon our outdated notions which really are the equivalent of killing people. I mean those traditions stand in the way of the abortion industry.
Also, I'm not shocked the class may be bored by it. It's a type of story that's been done forever since that time.
The fact that people are losing grip on the metaphor and treating the actions literally is depressing on two fronts. But it doesn't make the original genius or anything.
Posted by: sunny-dee at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (QAOZh)
Yep, that was always the problem with the story. It's a progressive morality tale about how we should abandon our outdated notions which really are the equivalent of killing people. I mean those traditions stand in the way of the abortion industry.
Also, I'm not shocked the class may be bored by it. It's a type of story that's been done forever since that time.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (1M6ye)
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It's all dark shit now that they don't read Mark Twain.
Obviously, we didn't read the same Mark Twain.
You had the one with all the singin' and dancin', aw shucks, right?
Not the "Letters from The Earth" one, or, what do we have to say now,
"N-Word Jim"?
If'n you don't hold your mouth just right, all-growed-up Mark Twain becomes sort of the prototype of the pain in the ass liberal, with America being wrong about every damn thing and mos' folks being jes' vain and greedy.
Obviously, we didn't read the same Mark Twain.
You had the one with all the singin' and dancin', aw shucks, right?
Not the "Letters from The Earth" one, or, what do we have to say now,
"N-Word Jim"?
If'n you don't hold your mouth just right, all-growed-up Mark Twain becomes sort of the prototype of the pain in the ass liberal, with America being wrong about every damn thing and mos' folks being jes' vain and greedy.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (H5rtT)
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I read a fairly recent article that there was archeological evidence suggesting Carthage did sacrifice babies.
Oh, it's possible, and I wouldn't put anything past those barbarians, but what I've read years ago suggested that maybe they were just wicker dolls and not actual things to put people in (or something along those lines).
I mean... There are some foreign practices that would be easy to misconstrue, and even easier to demagogue and intentionally demonize. History isn't just written by the winners, but by the survivors.
The survivors generally also have an interest in not being totally honest, too, for that matter.
Anyway, my point is that Carthage must be destroyed.
Oh, it's possible, and I wouldn't put anything past those barbarians, but what I've read years ago suggested that maybe they were just wicker dolls and not actual things to put people in (or something along those lines).
I mean... There are some foreign practices that would be easy to misconstrue, and even easier to demagogue and intentionally demonize. History isn't just written by the winners, but by the survivors.
The survivors generally also have an interest in not being totally honest, too, for that matter.
Anyway, my point is that Carthage must be destroyed.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (hXeKX)
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Lots of Northern European Genealogy in my heritage. My ancestors loved them some human sacrifice.
Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: Charles Dickens at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (GdWl+)
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Way O/T. I don't understand the fan following of "Friends." Even with the decent looking mish, I don't find it very entertaining, and it certainly doesn't deserve to be in syndication, running several hours a day!
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (rdl6o)
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I wish the teacher talked about the methods she used to get them to see the errors in their thinking. That bothers me. She was to teach. I can think of a number of ways right now I would engage a person/classroom on the topic and judgement, and turn them around or cause them to re-think.
She had over a decade to think of some. But I didn't see that part of the story. Sorry, but wtf?
She had over a decade to think of some. But I didn't see that part of the story. Sorry, but wtf?
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (LZJOv)
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Anyone have a problem sending these little shits off to war?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (1ISKN)
Posted by: Zombie Adolf at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (y2HeD)
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As far as I can tell it is OKEY DOKEY to be judgemental about:
1. Christians.
2. White males.
3. White females.
4......
AH yeah that's it. AND the judgement is evil must eradicate.
1. Christians.
2. White males.
3. White females.
4......
AH yeah that's it. AND the judgement is evil must eradicate.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (pw+jk)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (EyPfd)
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282 I still hated having to plow through Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. Jeebus, that man really needed an editor.
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I think the primary value of reading some books is just to know that you can plow through something as dense as Dickens or any Russian author. There is a pride of accomplishment.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (sX1BW)
A Sale of Two Titties > A Tale of Two Cities
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I think the primary value of reading some books is just to know that you can plow through something as dense as Dickens or any Russian author. There is a pride of accomplishment.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (sX1BW)
A Sale of Two Titties > A Tale of Two Cities
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (mPeei)
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Coincidentally - Ace posts this today, on the feast day of St. Wolfram.
In Frisia, the custom was that people, including children, were sacrificed to the local gods having been selected by a form of lottery at festival time. Wulfram was told that the king was unable to change the custom but Wulfram was invited to save them if he could. According to the story, the turning point came with the rescue of a man, Ovon, who had been chosen by lot to be sacrificed by hanging. Wulfram begged King Radbod to stop the killing, but the people were outraged at the sacrilege proposed. In the end, they agreed that Wulfram's God could have a chance to save Ovon's life, and if he did, Wulfram and the God could have him. Ovon was hanged, and left for a couple of hours, while Wulfram prayed. When the Frisians decided to leave Ovon for dead, the rope broke, Ovon fell and was still alive. Ovon became Wulfram's slave, his follower, a monk, and then a priest at Fontenelle Abbey.
In Frisia, the custom was that people, including children, were sacrificed to the local gods having been selected by a form of lottery at festival time. Wulfram was told that the king was unable to change the custom but Wulfram was invited to save them if he could. According to the story, the turning point came with the rescue of a man, Ovon, who had been chosen by lot to be sacrificed by hanging. Wulfram begged King Radbod to stop the killing, but the people were outraged at the sacrilege proposed. In the end, they agreed that Wulfram's God could have a chance to save Ovon's life, and if he did, Wulfram and the God could have him. Ovon was hanged, and left for a couple of hours, while Wulfram prayed. When the Frisians decided to leave Ovon for dead, the rope broke, Ovon fell and was still alive. Ovon became Wulfram's slave, his follower, a monk, and then a priest at Fontenelle Abbey.
Posted by: simplemind at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (EWstT)
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Way O/T. I don't understand the fan following of "Friends." Even with the decent looking mish, I don't find it very entertaining, and it certainly doesn't deserve to be in syndication, running several hours a day!
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (rdl6o)
Then why are you watching it? Just sayin...
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (rdl6o)
Then why are you watching it? Just sayin...
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (LZJOv)
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267 Not having done it in high-school, I read The Catcher in The Rye last year to see what the big deal was about. It didn't work.
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The secret is you had to have grown up wealthy in the Northeast to relate to any of it. Never understood why it was praised other than NY City liked it. Can't even remember much of the story and I read all of Salinger's works.
267 Not having done it in high-school, I read The Catcher in The Rye last year to see what the big deal was about. It didn't work.
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The secret is you had to have grown up wealthy in the Northeast to relate to any of it. Never understood why it was praised other than NY City liked it. Can't even remember much of the story and I read all of Salinger's works.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (2LelM)
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265. Paid by the word, Dickens. Once you know that, a great deal of his style becomes understandable.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (fA1SL)
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I still hated having to plow through Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. Jeebus, that man really needed an editor.
Posted by: Gumby
Vastly more tolerable than Hawthorne.
That fucker took took pages to describe a chair in an attic.
Posted by: Gumby
Vastly more tolerable than Hawthorne.
That fucker took took pages to describe a chair in an attic.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (KXVP7)
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The fact that Romans also practiced human sacrifice* was something they weren't particularly fond of emphasizing.
Yeah it was an acceptable practice in an emergency, but they saw it as being more sophisticated not like those barbarians.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (39g3+)
To be fair, human sacrifice was frowned upon by the Romans fairly early in the Republic. It was never used by the time of Caesar.
Posted by: JoeF.
Buuuuurrrrrrrp!
Posted by: The Lions
Yeah it was an acceptable practice in an emergency, but they saw it as being more sophisticated not like those barbarians.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:24 PM (39g3+)
To be fair, human sacrifice was frowned upon by the Romans fairly early in the Republic. It was never used by the time of Caesar.
Posted by: JoeF.
Buuuuurrrrrrrp!
Posted by: The Lions
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (5t9V6)
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Kaboom Kids post should be required reading for all kids.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at March 20, 2018 02:36 PM (661ce)
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Not having done it in high-school, I read The Catcher in The Rye last year to see what the big deal was about. It didn't work.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn
The most over read and over analyzed book of the 20th century. What a waste of time.
I realize that that JD Salinger was partly misunderstood with respect to what he wrote about, and he personally did not ask for the adulation that has been heaped upon it.
But......really?
And then, JD Salinger ends up in the book "Shoeless Joe", which is the novel that the movie "Field of Dreams" was based on. Actually, the movie is better than the book.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn
The most over read and over analyzed book of the 20th century. What a waste of time.
I realize that that JD Salinger was partly misunderstood with respect to what he wrote about, and he personally did not ask for the adulation that has been heaped upon it.
But......really?
And then, JD Salinger ends up in the book "Shoeless Joe", which is the novel that the movie "Field of Dreams" was based on. Actually, the movie is better than the book.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (vcOmj)
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It would seem that, far from having too many school shootings, we in fact have far too few.
Posted by: Ken at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (SdEXS)
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264-zombie, I really enjoyed Anthem, and I read all of Ayn Rand's works. That, combined with my Hungarian headmaster who escaped the 1956 revolution in Budapest, and my father, who escaped from the Bolsheviks in Russia, molded my current political philosophy. I am grateful first that they survived, and second that they taught me.
The collective works for bees. For humans? Not so much.
The collective works for bees. For humans? Not so much.
Posted by: moki at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (V+V48)
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Didn't the ancient Romans leave new-born infants out in the hills overnight, to see if they survived? And wasn't Remus adopted and raised by a female wolf?
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (roQNm)
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Anyone have a problem sending these little shits off to war?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
Always a use for cannon fodder...
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
Always a use for cannon fodder...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (AM1GF)
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If it wasn't for Carthage, Italy would have no war victories in all of history.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (7ZVPa)
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Was it fair? Of course. Perfectly fair, no favoritism, no cheating.
Posted by: Jwest at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (/roJx)
That's not the complete definition of "fair".
It wouldn't be fair to force you to play Russian roulette even though you would stand an even chance along with everyone else. However, it would be fair to do that to you as punishment for certain crimes. More than fair, in the right circumstances.
Posted by: Jwest at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (/roJx)
That's not the complete definition of "fair".
It wouldn't be fair to force you to play Russian roulette even though you would stand an even chance along with everyone else. However, it would be fair to do that to you as punishment for certain crimes. More than fair, in the right circumstances.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (8gDQu)
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But only after Hannibal ran ragged over Rome for years and drove them absolutely crazy. He was undefeated going into the Super Bowl but then got beaten like a red-headed stepchild.
Sometimes all it takes is a decent army and a fantastic general like Hannibal.
And war elephants. Those are helpful.
Sometimes all it takes is a decent army and a fantastic general like Hannibal.
And war elephants. Those are helpful.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (hXeKX)
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Second look at us?
The Aztecs
The Aztecs
Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (LiyEm)
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I think the primary value of reading some books is just to know that you can plow through something as dense as Dickens or any Russian author. There is a pride of accomplishment.
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Big fan of Russian authors - Dickens - not so much.
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Big fan of Russian authors - Dickens - not so much.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (2LelM)
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Well I heard of it, read it, and was horrified, referring to t'The Lottery'. I think a better story is 'The Goft of the Magi' by O. Henry. Sad ending but not so disasterous consequences. Never heard of 'The Giver' but it sounds interesting.
Posted by: Sweet Andy Licious at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (Mo5Uy)
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For the past few years watching our society has been like watching the film Prince of Darkness.
We're watching the Anti-God get pulled through the mirror. All the strange phenomena that crop up in the first half-hour of the movie, that sense of impending dread, the onset of madness.
We're watching the Anti-God get pulled through the mirror. All the strange phenomena that crop up in the first half-hour of the movie, that sense of impending dread, the onset of madness.
Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (wwd4n)
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86 Rome felt fine about subduing the brits because the druids did human sacrifice. Not being good with human sacrifice is distinctly an idea born of civilization. They're dying for us to go back. Besides, the Left would love to be able to pick sacrifices.
Posted by: dagny
Know who were really good at it? The Aztecs. They had flair.
Posted by: dagny
Know who were really good at it? The Aztecs. They had flair.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (kfcYC)
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Oh, it's possible, and I wouldn't put anything past those barbarians, but what I've read years ago suggested that maybe they were just wicker dolls and not actual things to put people in (or something along those lines).
Posted by: Lance McCormick
Infant bones mixed in with burnt animal bones don't resemble wicker dolls in the slightest.
Posted by: Lance McCormick
Infant bones mixed in with burnt animal bones don't resemble wicker dolls in the slightest.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (KXVP7)
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We can't let there be a war elephant gap.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:38 PM (hXeKX)
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Way O/T. I don't understand the fan following of "Friends." Even with the decent looking mish, I don't find it very entertaining, and it certainly doesn't deserve to be in syndication, running several hours a day!
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It was awful then and it's awful now.
I don't understand why it was so popular in the first place.
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It was awful then and it's awful now.
I don't understand why it was so popular in the first place.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 20, 2018 02:38 PM (vg8iE)
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310 Was it fair? Of course. Perfectly fair, no favoritism, no cheating.
Posted by: Jwest at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (/roJx)
That's not the complete definition of "fair".
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The only metric for fair would be if the harvest failed.
Posted by: Jwest at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (/roJx)
That's not the complete definition of "fair".
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The only metric for fair would be if the harvest failed.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:38 PM (2LelM)
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Re 212,
I use modified socratic method in my classes. Students hate it because I do not them them what to think nor hint at what I believe. I also do not let them stop with the facile reply from authority as if the status of the person uttering the speech determines it truth or lack thereof.
The problem with education becoming credentialism is that a lot of students just want to do the minimum required and get the stamp of societal approval. Thus, tell me what is the approved answer so I can repeat it to you and get my good grade becomes their thinking process. Iconoclasts in class become the enemy because it clouds what might be the teacher approved answer and can introduce complexity. Two feet bad, four feet good and so forth are what some want.
I use modified socratic method in my classes. Students hate it because I do not them them what to think nor hint at what I believe. I also do not let them stop with the facile reply from authority as if the status of the person uttering the speech determines it truth or lack thereof.
The problem with education becoming credentialism is that a lot of students just want to do the minimum required and get the stamp of societal approval. Thus, tell me what is the approved answer so I can repeat it to you and get my good grade becomes their thinking process. Iconoclasts in class become the enemy because it clouds what might be the teacher approved answer and can introduce complexity. Two feet bad, four feet good and so forth are what some want.
Posted by: whig at March 20, 2018 02:38 PM (acrHV)
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People ain't the way they used to be.
Posted by: Old Man Warner at March 20, 2018 02:38 PM (MihIm)
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The best thing about not being judgemental is that it doesn't matter how absolutely shitty the omelet is.
Posted by: Zombie Stalin at March 20, 2018 02:38 PM (y2HeD)
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I don't understand why it was so popular in the first place.
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The 90's were a weird time.
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The 90's were a weird time.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:38 PM (sX1BW)
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If the kids were fucking with their teacher, she should fuck with them right back. Everybody gets an F for missing the point of the story.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (2NqXo)
Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (2Mnv1)
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Never heard of 'The Giver' but it sounds interesting.
Posted by: Sweet Andy Licious at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (Mo5Uy)
there is a movie version from a few years ago
it's good
Posted by: Sweet Andy Licious at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (Mo5Uy)
there is a movie version from a few years ago
it's good
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (hMwEB)
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so what explains this?
Influence of progressive marxism? moral relativism of the post war era?
Or is it the multiculti indoctrination? Or decline of religion?
Influence of progressive marxism? moral relativism of the post war era?
Or is it the multiculti indoctrination? Or decline of religion?
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (LWu6U)
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Anyone have a problem sending these little shits off to war?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
Always a use for cannon fodder..."
Just don't give them any live grenades.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
Always a use for cannon fodder..."
Just don't give them any live grenades.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (EyPfd)
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The one book that SHOULD be required reading in all Junior Highs or High schools is "Anthem," a short novella by Ayn Rand.
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In my HS, Atlas Shrugged was required reading. Bet it isn't even allowed on campus these days.
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In my HS, Atlas Shrugged was required reading. Bet it isn't even allowed on campus these days.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (7ZVPa)
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I heard that on the Morning Homewreckers that Low IQ Meeka was too dumb to understand idiot Steyer's impeached fantasies.
Also in case it hasn't been reported the murdering Somali cop has finally been charged after sitting on his worthless ass and getting paid for over half a year.
Also in case it hasn't been reported the murdering Somali cop has finally been charged after sitting on his worthless ass and getting paid for over half a year.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (y7DUB)
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Well, in China they would stone the teachers for being "educated", so there's something to look forward to.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 20, 2018 02:40 PM (LWu6U)
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Conrad, Dostoevsky, Faulkner, Orwell, and Solzhenitsyn were on my high school's required reading lists.
And my high school was by no means a good one.
And my high school was by no means a good one.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 20, 2018 02:40 PM (fA1SL)
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To be frank, I always thought the lesson of The Lottery was don't be sheep. I didn't feel bad for any of them and that was 45 years ago.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 20, 2018 02:40 PM (4lzWT)
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301 I still hated having to plow through Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. Jeebus, that man really needed an editor.
Posted by: Gumby
Vastly more tolerable than Hawthorne.
That fucker took took pages to describe a chair in an attic.
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If you want head games read Faulkner.
301 I still hated having to plow through Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. Jeebus, that man really needed an editor.
Posted by: Gumby
Vastly more tolerable than Hawthorne.
That fucker took took pages to describe a chair in an attic.
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If you want head games read Faulkner.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:40 PM (2LelM)
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human sacrifice has been sanctioned and subsidized by the united states federal government since 1973
im surprised it took 45 years for the kids to catch on to this
perhaps if they had been paying more attention to current events they could have figured it out by the new millenia
im surprised it took 45 years for the kids to catch on to this
perhaps if they had been paying more attention to current events they could have figured it out by the new millenia
Posted by: sound awake at March 20, 2018 02:40 PM (z1VN1)
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so what explains this?
Influence of progressive marxism? moral relativism of the post war era?
Or is it the multiculti indoctrination? Or decline of religion?
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest
The names for the same thing, and its effect.
Influence of progressive marxism? moral relativism of the post war era?
Or is it the multiculti indoctrination? Or decline of religion?
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest
The names for the same thing, and its effect.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at March 20, 2018 02:40 PM (AM1GF)
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Also, I'm not shocked the class may be bored by it. It's a type of story that's been done forever since that time.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (1M6ye)
The current version is the Hunger Games. Jennifer Lawrence ruined that book with her non acting.
Also, I'm not shocked the class may be bored by it. It's a type of story that's been done forever since that time.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (1M6ye)
The current version is the Hunger Games. Jennifer Lawrence ruined that book with her non acting.
Posted by: moki at March 20, 2018 02:40 PM (V+V48)
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human sacrifice has been sanctioned and subsidized by the united states federal government since 1973
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Yeah, but that's the "good" kind.
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Yeah, but that's the "good" kind.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (vg8iE)
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290 I wish the teacher talked about the methods she used to get them to see the errors in their thinking. That bothers me. She was to teach. I can think of a number of ways right now I would engage a person/classroom on the topic and judgement, and turn them around or cause them to re-think.
She had over a decade to think of some. But I didn't see that part of the story. Sorry, but wtf?
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (LZJOv)
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I suspect it's because she's part of the problem. I.e. she's been teaching that "all cultures are created equal, etc" claptrap since graduating and she, like most liberals, are unwilling or unable to admit they are at the root of the problem.
She had over a decade to think of some. But I didn't see that part of the story. Sorry, but wtf?
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 02:35 PM (LZJOv)
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I suspect it's because she's part of the problem. I.e. she's been teaching that "all cultures are created equal, etc" claptrap since graduating and she, like most liberals, are unwilling or unable to admit they are at the root of the problem.
Posted by: Jackal at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (1wgRH)
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human sacrifice has been sanctioned and subsidized by the united states federal government since 1973
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Who are we to judge, with all those penumbras.
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Who are we to judge, with all those penumbras.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (sX1BW)
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re 321, my mistake.
I really need to get a new prescription on my glasses. I have to sit pretty far back from the monitor now to see properly.
Should read, Students hate it because I do not tell them. . .
and "its truth or lack thereof" in the first paragraph.
I really need to get a new prescription on my glasses. I have to sit pretty far back from the monitor now to see properly.
Should read, Students hate it because I do not tell them. . .
and "its truth or lack thereof" in the first paragraph.
Posted by: whig at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (acrHV)
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Generation Z is polarized. For instance my nieces and nephews are straight edge right wing commie hating teens and tweens. They hate degeneracy, are hard working, Christian, strive for self improvement and straight A's and volunteering.
Then you have the tide pod eating psychopaths.
I'm placing my money on the first group even if their numbers are way less than the second. They are judgemental and not tolerant at all of any Marxist bullshit.
Then you have the tide pod eating psychopaths.
I'm placing my money on the first group even if their numbers are way less than the second. They are judgemental and not tolerant at all of any Marxist bullshit.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (/LX46)
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Didn't the ancient Romans leave new-born infants out in the hills overnight, to see if they survived? And wasn't Remus adopted and raised by a female wolf?
Lots of ancient cultures apparently did that, though it was also used as a literary device by biographers to give their hero the "proper" parents (I'm looking at you, Moses), so it's hard to know how many actually survived or what the criteria actually were.
But again, that's why Carthage must be destroyed.
Lots of ancient cultures apparently did that, though it was also used as a literary device by biographers to give their hero the "proper" parents (I'm looking at you, Moses), so it's hard to know how many actually survived or what the criteria actually were.
But again, that's why Carthage must be destroyed.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (hXeKX)
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But the icehag instructor here was at a community college or somesuch. Dickish hs kids are expected. By college, they should know better.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (fA1SL)
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That mindset is antithetical to everything I understand. Can't process it at all.
So where were the"parents" during all this? Cheering from the sidelines?
That mindset is antithetical to everything I understand. Can't process it at all.
So where were the"parents" during all this? Cheering from the sidelines?
Posted by: irongrampa at March 20, 2018 02:42 PM (S/hVx)
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With the link provided in the main post, how many have read it?
Posted by: dDan at March 20, 2018 02:42 PM (hwYmz)
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Well, I was taught to judge people, and quite frankly, most of you are in need of improvement.
Next, the feats of strength!
Next, the feats of strength!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 02:42 PM (QQ+il)
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Know who were really good at it? The Aztecs. They had flair.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (kfcYC)
Ya see! Ya see! That's what I've been talking about. Flair! People remember flair!
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (kfcYC)
Ya see! Ya see! That's what I've been talking about. Flair! People remember flair!
Posted by: Chotckies Manager at March 20, 2018 02:42 PM (QLvwG)
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282 I still hated having to plow through Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. Jeebus, that man really needed an editor.
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When you're getting paid by the chapter, you tend to ramble. A lot Dickens' work was run as serials in newspapers. That's why you end up with subplots that appear to simply be there to drag out the story.
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When you're getting paid by the chapter, you tend to ramble. A lot Dickens' work was run as serials in newspapers. That's why you end up with subplots that appear to simply be there to drag out the story.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 02:42 PM (1M6ye)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 20, 2018 02:42 PM (EyPfd)
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philosopher Rene Girard says that an innocent sacrifice is the only way to solve the human problem of violence. he says it should only be done once though. Christ 's sacrifice suffices for Christians
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (G4vri)
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307 Didn't the ancient Romans leave new-born infants out in the hills overnight, to see if they survived?
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the father could reject an infant, it was then left to die outside
it was a practice in Europe into the middle ages I think
same concept as culling the runt of a litter - not wasting resources on a weak or sickly looking infant
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the father could reject an infant, it was then left to die outside
it was a practice in Europe into the middle ages I think
same concept as culling the runt of a litter - not wasting resources on a weak or sickly looking infant
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (hMwEB)
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Zombie,
Back in 2008-2009, I had 8th graders read "Harrison Bergeron" and "Anthem." Small private southern school, so it probably wouldn't have worked if I was teaching in pub schools. Very interesting reactions among diehard obammie fans. Adjectives like horrible, wrong, unfair...but mostly the belief that those situations could never happen.
Back in 2008-2009, I had 8th graders read "Harrison Bergeron" and "Anthem." Small private southern school, so it probably wouldn't have worked if I was teaching in pub schools. Very interesting reactions among diehard obammie fans. Adjectives like horrible, wrong, unfair...but mostly the belief that those situations could never happen.
Posted by: Euro at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (eX72r)
Posted by: Mega at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (iM8ao)
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I'm surprised how many people have never heard of "The Lottery". Not only did we read it in middle school, we also saw a short film. I liked horror stories back then, and it was a good one.
I suppose nowadays it's taught in Comparative Religion courses.
I suppose nowadays it's taught in Comparative Religion courses.
Posted by: rickl at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (xjiRE)
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Know who were really good at it? The Aztecs. They had flair.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn
Flair & panache!
Posted by: Dirks Strewn
Flair & panache!
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (5t9V6)
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One thing I noticed is the complaint was "It's not fair" not that it's not right.
Posted by: dDan at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (hwYmz)
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131 I do not understand people saying "I never heard of it" as if that's a badge of honor.
It's a book I encountered somewhere along the way. It has a twist ending that's not as good as Ender's Game. It's not quite canon but it's a book people should have heard of.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02
I'm not saying it as a badge of honor. I'm saying it as a question it being called a staple of middle school literature. The Giver. The Hatchet. A Day No Pigs would Die. The Westing Game. Those are what I remember as required reading.
It's a book I encountered somewhere along the way. It has a twist ending that's not as good as Ender's Game. It's not quite canon but it's a book people should have heard of.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02
I'm not saying it as a badge of honor. I'm saying it as a question it being called a staple of middle school literature. The Giver. The Hatchet. A Day No Pigs would Die. The Westing Game. Those are what I remember as required reading.
Posted by: Buzzion at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (eMCnH)
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so what explains this?
Influence of progressive marxism? moral relativism of the post war era?
Or is it the multiculti indoctrination? Or decline of religion?
Postmodernism.
"There are no rules..."
WTFF? Are you really and truly that fucking stupid?
Influence of progressive marxism? moral relativism of the post war era?
Or is it the multiculti indoctrination? Or decline of religion?
Postmodernism.
"There are no rules..."
WTFF? Are you really and truly that fucking stupid?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (GdWl+)
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Last I read, we really don't know much about the
Carthaginian culture that hasn't been filtered through Roman propaganda,
but we know one thing for sure: They lost, and they were LOSERS.
Okay, two things.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hXeKX)
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Of course Carthage lasted for a thousand years and fell to a state that lasted in some form for roughly two thousand years. Not bad! BIGLY
Carthaginian culture that hasn't been filtered through Roman propaganda,
but we know one thing for sure: They lost, and they were LOSERS.
Okay, two things.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hXeKX)
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Of course Carthage lasted for a thousand years and fell to a state that lasted in some form for roughly two thousand years. Not bad! BIGLY
Posted by: RioBravo at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (5NMZN)
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And this is why we went to kindergarten roundup at the local Christian school last week. A Bible verse for every letter of the alphabet. Memory verses. Dedicated Bible storytime. That's just the tip of the iceberg, and Pookette will be very happy there.
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 20, 2018 02:44 PM (XKZwp)
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I suspect it's because she's part of the problem. I.e. she's been teaching that "all cultures are created equal, etc" claptrap since graduating and she, like most liberals, are unwilling or unable to admit they are at the root of the problem.
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That is almost a certainty. Too many cannot follow the logical conclusion of things. What they may see as unintended consequences, I see as the logical path.
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That is almost a certainty. Too many cannot follow the logical conclusion of things. What they may see as unintended consequences, I see as the logical path.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:44 PM (sX1BW)
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So where were the"parents" during all this? Cheering from the sidelines?
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Working two jobs so they can send their children to an obscenely overpriced college someday.
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Working two jobs so they can send their children to an obscenely overpriced college someday.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 20, 2018 02:44 PM (ATVNj)
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:44 PM (roQNm)
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Ready for the muzzies!
Ready for the muzzies!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2018 02:44 PM (RCRTc)
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Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:43 PM (hMwEB)
The Spartans has no problem with it.
The Spartans has no problem with it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 20, 2018 02:44 PM (4lzWT)
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So, civilization came to an end 20 years ago already.
Back then, someone who talked like that was an outlier. Now, she's teaching the class.
Back then, someone who talked like that was an outlier. Now, she's teaching the class.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:44 PM (39g3+)
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327 Never heard of 'The Giver' but it sounds interesting.
Posted by: Sweet Andy Licious at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (Mo5Uy)
there is a movie version from a few years ago
it's good
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (hMwEB)
The book's better than the movie in my opinion.
Posted by: Sweet Andy Licious at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (Mo5Uy)
there is a movie version from a few years ago
it's good
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (hMwEB)
The book's better than the movie in my opinion.
Posted by: Surfperch at March 20, 2018 02:45 PM (MihIm)
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If you can call turquoise "flair."
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:45 PM (+lOpA)
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We read it yesterday.
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:44 PM (roQNm)
Am I a day behind again?
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:44 PM (roQNm)
Am I a day behind again?
Posted by: dDan at March 20, 2018 02:45 PM (hwYmz)
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Infant bones mixed in with burnt animal bones don't resemble wicker dolls in the slightest.
Then my memory is faulty, my half-remembered sources are in error, and I give up, because this is the Internet, and I'm too lazy to do research and my point was a dumb one.
Carthage has been totally delenda estified, their culture is gone, and good freaking riddance to those Punic bastards and their Phoenician devilry.
Then my memory is faulty, my half-remembered sources are in error, and I give up, because this is the Internet, and I'm too lazy to do research and my point was a dumb one.
Carthage has been totally delenda estified, their culture is gone, and good freaking riddance to those Punic bastards and their Phoenician devilry.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:45 PM (hXeKX)
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The reason this story was written and why it was promoted in the public schools at that time and throughout the 50's, 60's and 70's is that clear message, the difference between fair and right, was something the government wanted to instill at an early age.
While we were reading "The Lottery" and absorbing the message Fair wasn't always Right, the children in the Soviet Union were reading stories that promoted the theory that Fair (as in idealistic communism) is Right.
While we were reading "The Lottery" and absorbing the message Fair wasn't always Right, the children in the Soviet Union were reading stories that promoted the theory that Fair (as in idealistic communism) is Right.
Posted by: Jwest at March 20, 2018 02:46 PM (/roJx)
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350 282 I still hated having to plow through Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. Jeebus, that man really needed an editor.
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When you're getting paid by the chapter, you tend to ramble. A lot Dickens' work was run as serials in newspapers. That's why you end up with subplots that appear to simply be there to drag out the story.
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I always suspected Dickens is something that needs to be read to you while you're doing something productive and repetitive. Then you welcome the unnecessary wanderings cuz you are bored to death doing something repetitive and mind numbing.
350 282 I still hated having to plow through Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. Jeebus, that man really needed an editor.
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When you're getting paid by the chapter, you tend to ramble. A lot Dickens' work was run as serials in newspapers. That's why you end up with subplots that appear to simply be there to drag out the story.
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I always suspected Dickens is something that needs to be read to you while you're doing something productive and repetitive. Then you welcome the unnecessary wanderings cuz you are bored to death doing something repetitive and mind numbing.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:46 PM (2LelM)
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With the link provided in the main post, how many have read it?
I read it the day Insty posted it.
I read it the day Insty posted it.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at March 20, 2018 02:46 PM (GdWl+)
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I thought Tale of Two Cities was one of Dickens less verbose works. Try Little Dorrit for a real forest killer.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 20, 2018 02:46 PM (y7DUB)
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To be fair, human sacrifice was frowned upon by the Romans fairly early in the Republic. It was never used by the time of Caesar.
They buried a couple random foreigners alive during the 2nd Punic War, and I'm pretty sure a couple Vestal Virgins after that.
The gladiator games evolved out of funeral sacrifices and continued to have an implicit religious function until they were finally banned well into the Christian era. It is worth remembering that Rome - physical city and state - was a deity in Roman thought. Yes, the Romans literally worshiped the State.....
They buried a couple random foreigners alive during the 2nd Punic War, and I'm pretty sure a couple Vestal Virgins after that.
The gladiator games evolved out of funeral sacrifices and continued to have an implicit religious function until they were finally banned well into the Christian era. It is worth remembering that Rome - physical city and state - was a deity in Roman thought. Yes, the Romans literally worshiped the State.....
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 20, 2018 02:46 PM (bZ7mE)
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In my thinking, the Nazi's would have approved of this thinking. So that means that Trump approves. The SS (Schutzstaffel) (did have sharp uniforms though).
Posted by: Colin at March 20, 2018 02:46 PM (Yz9i0)
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I am OK with sacrificing individuals who subscribe to human sacrifice.
Make her affirmative response to that practice akin to winning "The Lottery".
Then let her classmates witness the ritual killing.
Problem solved.
This generation has largely been insulated from the actual impacts of their decisions. I will leave one small exception for those lying in the most recently used section of Arlington, or fighting in combat. They get it, they've seen it.
Beyond that, this is a generation largely coddled by liberal teachers, media organizations and politicians who make them believe, falsely, that actions have no consequence, truths are just unpleasant thoughts, material experience or history that destroys their supposition is "fake" and they can "will" any potential thought into "reality".
They are headed for a crash with reality because they've been raised to be delusional. That won't, and shouldn't, end well.
Make her affirmative response to that practice akin to winning "The Lottery".
Then let her classmates witness the ritual killing.
Problem solved.
This generation has largely been insulated from the actual impacts of their decisions. I will leave one small exception for those lying in the most recently used section of Arlington, or fighting in combat. They get it, they've seen it.
Beyond that, this is a generation largely coddled by liberal teachers, media organizations and politicians who make them believe, falsely, that actions have no consequence, truths are just unpleasant thoughts, material experience or history that destroys their supposition is "fake" and they can "will" any potential thought into "reality".
They are headed for a crash with reality because they've been raised to be delusional. That won't, and shouldn't, end well.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 20, 2018 02:46 PM (VpIIl)
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That's a kind offer, but no thank you. I called dibs.
That's a kind offer, but no thank you. I called dibs.
Posted by: BigZesty at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (hJn/J)
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You know ...
... I graduated college in '95. High school in '90.
Plenty of this non-judgemental bullshit was going on then too. Including from plenty of Boomers when I first hit the jobsite.
So I guess I'd like to know how far back you had to go to get this unversal "human sacrifice is wrong" reaction ? Had to be pre-Eugenics.
Sorry ... do not put much stock in all this "society used to be so much better" shit. All the non-pc history I ever read calls bullshit.
... I graduated college in '95. High school in '90.
Plenty of this non-judgemental bullshit was going on then too. Including from plenty of Boomers when I first hit the jobsite.
So I guess I'd like to know how far back you had to go to get this unversal "human sacrifice is wrong" reaction ? Had to be pre-Eugenics.
Sorry ... do not put much stock in all this "society used to be so much better" shit. All the non-pc history I ever read calls bullshit.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (yv6t0)
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Didn't the ancient Romans leave new-born infants
out in the hills overnight, to see if they survived? And wasn't Remus
adopted and raised by a female wolf?
Lots of ancient cultures apparently did that, though it was also
used as a literary device by biographers to give their hero the "proper"
parents (I'm looking at you, Moses), so it's hard to know how many
actually survived or what the criteria actually were.
But again, that's why Carthage must be destroyed.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (hXeKX)
There, there Mowgli.
out in the hills overnight, to see if they survived? And wasn't Remus
adopted and raised by a female wolf?
Lots of ancient cultures apparently did that, though it was also
used as a literary device by biographers to give their hero the "proper"
parents (I'm looking at you, Moses), so it's hard to know how many
actually survived or what the criteria actually were.
But again, that's why Carthage must be destroyed.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (hXeKX)
There, there Mowgli.
Posted by: Rudyard Kipling at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (QLvwG)
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Working two jobs so they can send their children to an obscenely overpriced college someday.
Nah, its so they can enjoy 2-3 cars, hi def TV, high speed wireless internet, Iphones (latest gen) for everyone in the family, big vacation every year, a half caf-half decaf soymilk latte every morning (each), and to order delivery/pickup/Blue Ribbon Instameal pre-packaged and measured dinner shipments every day, etc. And the kids college education.
Nah, its so they can enjoy 2-3 cars, hi def TV, high speed wireless internet, Iphones (latest gen) for everyone in the family, big vacation every year, a half caf-half decaf soymilk latte every morning (each), and to order delivery/pickup/Blue Ribbon Instameal pre-packaged and measured dinner shipments every day, etc. And the kids college education.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (39g3+)
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That "judgement thing" has become way distorted, and people say they get it from the bible.
Long story short, during the Paterno thing, message boards everywhere were saying not to judge him or the other involved cowards. I was in shock. Watched it for 3 days, and then had enough. And these were frickin' college students, and perhaps some adults.
So, in my usual way, I decided to lay down some hard facts. Like what the bible stories teach, and about judgement in society, and blah, blah, blah. I didn it nicely, even though I wanted to call them all fvckin' idiots.
Anyway, there were no more posts about not judging. And when there were, someone would respond how that was wrong. So my work there was done. Heh.
No one is teaching kids how to think. Even at college. Once someone did - me on a fvckin message board - it changed things.
Do you know how pathetic that is? I should not be teaching anyone anything. But it also shows they are receptive to learning and the Socratic method, if someone would bother.
This is not me saying look at this thing I did, this is me saying how bad things are at a college level that they thought they should not judge the raping of little boys and the cover-up. And no one was telling them different. Until my big fat Gorilla ass had had enough of crazy group think.
Just another story to add to the Education Apocalypse. And the family one too I guess.
Long story short, during the Paterno thing, message boards everywhere were saying not to judge him or the other involved cowards. I was in shock. Watched it for 3 days, and then had enough. And these were frickin' college students, and perhaps some adults.
So, in my usual way, I decided to lay down some hard facts. Like what the bible stories teach, and about judgement in society, and blah, blah, blah. I didn it nicely, even though I wanted to call them all fvckin' idiots.
Anyway, there were no more posts about not judging. And when there were, someone would respond how that was wrong. So my work there was done. Heh.
No one is teaching kids how to think. Even at college. Once someone did - me on a fvckin message board - it changed things.
Do you know how pathetic that is? I should not be teaching anyone anything. But it also shows they are receptive to learning and the Socratic method, if someone would bother.
This is not me saying look at this thing I did, this is me saying how bad things are at a college level that they thought they should not judge the raping of little boys and the cover-up. And no one was telling them different. Until my big fat Gorilla ass had had enough of crazy group think.
Just another story to add to the Education Apocalypse. And the family one too I guess.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (LZJOv)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (QQ+il)
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>>>Didn't the ancient Romans leave new-born infants out in the hills overnight, to see if they survived? And wasn't Remus adopted and raised by a female wolf?
Lots of ancient cultures apparently did that, though it was also used as a literary device by biographers to give their hero the "proper" parents (I'm looking at you, Moses), so it's hard to know how many actually survived or what the criteria actually were.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (hXeKX)
The Moses story was the exact opposite. He was set adrift specifically in order to save him. Had he been kept in the home he would have certainly been killed.
And I'm really not sure about "literary" device, thing. The story of Moses was a complete one with all parts being important - his being a Jew and his being raised in Pharoah's house. Not to mention that it was written as an historical piece, not a work of fiction.
Lots of ancient cultures apparently did that, though it was also used as a literary device by biographers to give their hero the "proper" parents (I'm looking at you, Moses), so it's hard to know how many actually survived or what the criteria actually were.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (hXeKX)
The Moses story was the exact opposite. He was set adrift specifically in order to save him. Had he been kept in the home he would have certainly been killed.
And I'm really not sure about "literary" device, thing. The story of Moses was a complete one with all parts being important - his being a Jew and his being raised in Pharoah's house. Not to mention that it was written as an historical piece, not a work of fiction.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (8gDQu)
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That girl who refuses to make judgments or condemn others for their beliefs? I bet the mortgage payment she thinks Trump is Hitler. Once she gets to Kiddie Kollege she'll be the first one out there protesting conservative speakers coming to kampus.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (2NqXo)
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there is a movie version from a few years ago
it's good
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (hMwEB)
The book's better than the movie in my opinion.
Posted by: Surfperch at March 20, 2018 02:45 PM (MihIm)
Lois Lowry is a decent YA writer. The Giver is part of a quadrilogy, but I think the first two books are the best. The last two fall into open borders territory that is naive considering the issues sovereign nations faces vis a vis unfettered, un vetted immigrants who come in for welfare, etc.
Her best book, I think, was Number the Stars, which dealt with the Nazi invasion of Denmark, and the rescue of Jews from being sent to concentration camps.
it's good
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:39 PM (hMwEB)
The book's better than the movie in my opinion.
Posted by: Surfperch at March 20, 2018 02:45 PM (MihIm)
Lois Lowry is a decent YA writer. The Giver is part of a quadrilogy, but I think the first two books are the best. The last two fall into open borders territory that is naive considering the issues sovereign nations faces vis a vis unfettered, un vetted immigrants who come in for welfare, etc.
Her best book, I think, was Number the Stars, which dealt with the Nazi invasion of Denmark, and the rescue of Jews from being sent to concentration camps.
Posted by: moki at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (V+V48)
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Plowing through a long Dickens novel - pffft. Try reading
George Eliot's novel "Daniel Deronda".
George Eliot's novel "Daniel Deronda".
Posted by: Glenn John at March 20, 2018 02:48 PM (LilNs)
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look at it this way,
we are teaching them it is ok to sacrifice the third world to save "mother earth"
we are teaching them to sacrifice the women of europe to save "refugees"
or that it is ok to sacrifice the students of parkland to save "minorities" from bad police records.
etc.
So how could kids have a problem with this.
we are teaching them it is ok to sacrifice the third world to save "mother earth"
we are teaching them to sacrifice the women of europe to save "refugees"
or that it is ok to sacrifice the students of parkland to save "minorities" from bad police records.
etc.
So how could kids have a problem with this.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 20, 2018 02:48 PM (LWu6U)
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343 Generation Z is polarized. For instance my nieces and nephews are straight edge right wing commie hating teens and tweens. They hate degeneracy, are hard working, Christian, strive for self improvement and straight A's and volunteering.
Then you have the tide pod eating psychopaths.
I'm placing my money on the first group even if their numbers are way less than the second. They are judgemental and not tolerant at all of any Marxist bullshit.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (/LX46)
PINOCHET DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!!!!!
Then you have the tide pod eating psychopaths.
I'm placing my money on the first group even if their numbers are way less than the second. They are judgemental and not tolerant at all of any Marxist bullshit.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:41 PM (/LX46)
PINOCHET DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:48 PM (+087i)
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Sorry ... do not put much stock in all this "society used to be so much better" shit. All the non-pc history I ever read calls bullshit.
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Scogg - stop judging our judgments.
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Scogg - stop judging our judgments.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:48 PM (sX1BW)
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So I guess I'd like to know how far back you had to go to get this unversal "human sacrifice is wrong" reaction ? Had to be pre-Eugenics.
There have always been the insane and morally corrupt among us. They just used to be the outliers, prevented from gaining power and influence.
Now they're celebrated.
There have always been the insane and morally corrupt among us. They just used to be the outliers, prevented from gaining power and influence.
Now they're celebrated.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (39g3+)
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The toxic cocktail where post-modernism is stirred with 40+ years of Roe v Wade.
Posted by: Taqyia2Me at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (Ftuf+)
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We can no longer judge ... unless you're enjoying that burger too much, right, Gray Lady?
Then it's game on!
Then it's game on!
Posted by: Christian Toto at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (GppXG)
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To be frank, I always thought the lesson of The Lottery was don't be sheep. I didn't feel bad for any of them and that was 45 years ago.
My take on it was "O, the irony of the Lottery's Biggest Fan winning it and changing her tune! People, am I right?"
But I haven't read all the comments, and it's been a while since I read the story or saw an adaptation. The play version I did see (I want to say it was a high school production) ended with the crowd throwing wadded up pieces of paper at the "winner" (presumably subbing for rocks), and that kinda killed the tension or whatever.
My take on it was "O, the irony of the Lottery's Biggest Fan winning it and changing her tune! People, am I right?"
But I haven't read all the comments, and it's been a while since I read the story or saw an adaptation. The play version I did see (I want to say it was a high school production) ended with the crowd throwing wadded up pieces of paper at the "winner" (presumably subbing for rocks), and that kinda killed the tension or whatever.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (hXeKX)
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>>Back in 2008-2009, I had 8th graders read "Harrison Bergeron" and "Anthem."
We've become very Harrison Bergeron-ish with the micro-aggressions and privileges stuff. We can't have/do something because it offends a certain group of people, effectively hobbling the people who are privileged enough to have/say such things. Instead of physical chains, there are burdens or "privilege" that one is automatically discounted.
Just look at the reviews of "A Wrinkle in Time" being dismissed because the reviewer is a white, male, so he can't understand/is automatically assumed to be hostile toward a black teen girl-centered story.
We've become very Harrison Bergeron-ish with the micro-aggressions and privileges stuff. We can't have/do something because it offends a certain group of people, effectively hobbling the people who are privileged enough to have/say such things. Instead of physical chains, there are burdens or "privilege" that one is automatically discounted.
Just look at the reviews of "A Wrinkle in Time" being dismissed because the reviewer is a white, male, so he can't understand/is automatically assumed to be hostile toward a black teen girl-centered story.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (W+vEI)
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The teacher should conduct an experiment and insert a minority group as the lottery winner each year and gage reactions against an all white village where a white, hetero male is the winner.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (661ce)
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Carthage has been totally delenda estified, their culture is gone, and good freaking riddance to those Punic bastards and their Phoenician devilry.
Posted by: Lance McCormick
Also, needed room for the Lebensraum-ing Vandals.
Posted by: Lance McCormick
Also, needed room for the Lebensraum-ing Vandals.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (KXVP7)
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The 90's were a weird time.
I liked the high hair on women.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (QQ+il)Mm
I refer to it as LIBH
Long Island Big Hair
I liked the high hair on women.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 02:47 PM (QQ+il)Mm
I refer to it as LIBH
Long Island Big Hair
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (4lzWT)
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Its dollars to doughnuts that Savonarola Hogg was part of the bullying crowd in Parkland. Sanctimonious little shits such as he always find their home among that crowd.
Its dollars to doughnuts that Savonarola Hogg was part of the bullying crowd in Parkland. Sanctimonious little shits such as he always find their home among that crowd.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (vzMuS)
402
Moral relativism has been taught as the premier ethical philosophy over the last 50 Years or so. Not shocking that kids are internalizing it.
Posted by: Joe, living mobile at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (mk7Bj)
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oh shit, i left out
that it is ok to sacrifice a "clump of cells" to save some ho from having to cancel her gap year plans.
that it is ok to sacrifice a "clump of cells" to save some ho from having to cancel her gap year plans.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (LWu6U)
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If you think of it as Blue Falconing a member of your own party to trap the big Boss maybe it's not such a big deal.
Posted by: DaveA at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (FhXTo)
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Why did these children determine they could not judge another culture? Because they've been brainwashed into thinking there own could never be superior. Think about all the ways that they've been taught that. Everyone wins a medal. It's only because of "white privilege" and racism that America is where it is today. The founding fathers are scoffed at. They've been taught that any misfortune or discomfort is someone else's fault and they are the victims. They live on the best place on earth hands down. And they are taught every day how horrible it is. Then we're SHOCKED that they all come to this insane conclusion?
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (7qnb5)
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Sorry ... do not put much stock in all this "society used to be so much better" shit. All the non-pc history I ever read calls bullshit.
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Dude, I went through school not-so-long-ago. It was bad then, but not like this. And just from "talking" (they can barely do it) to younger people, I know it's worse.
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Dude, I went through school not-so-long-ago. It was bad then, but not like this. And just from "talking" (they can barely do it) to younger people, I know it's worse.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (AzW6q)
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Her best book, I think, was Number the Stars, which dealt with the Nazi invasion of Denmark, and the rescue of Jews from being sent to concentration camps.
The King of Denmark wore a Star of David as a finger to the Nazis. Pretty much everyone in the country started to.
The King of Denmark wore a Star of David as a finger to the Nazis. Pretty much everyone in the country started to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (39g3+)
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Does it say where this is? Guessing NYC private school with $50k tuition?
Posted by: Guys from Fight Club at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (Q8xB9)
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264 The one book that SHOULD be required reading in all Junior Highs or High schools is "Anthem," a short novella by Ayn Rand......
Posted by: zombie at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (42M22)
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I was stunned to find that required reading in my kid's sophomore English class. Catholic HS, no less.
It's the best piece of fiction she's written.
She actually manages the balance between artistry and didacticism in it.
And it's a great jumping off point for learning about Marxism in action. Got my kid interested in Soltzhenitsyn and Pasternak.
Posted by: zombie at March 20, 2018 02:32 PM (42M22)
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I was stunned to find that required reading in my kid's sophomore English class. Catholic HS, no less.
It's the best piece of fiction she's written.
She actually manages the balance between artistry and didacticism in it.
And it's a great jumping off point for learning about Marxism in action. Got my kid interested in Soltzhenitsyn and Pasternak.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (0jtPF)
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Then Ms. Haugaard turn to the class and faced 30 triangle faced Hogg's. The faces were just staring, and chanting in unision. She put her hand to her mouth and gasped in horror.
She startled to wake just in time. She was panting, sweating with her sheets in a knot. Then, to her relief the alarm clock went off.
She startled to wake just in time. She was panting, sweating with her sheets in a knot. Then, to her relief the alarm clock went off.
Posted by: redenzo at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (14qvS)
411
The Indians are right. Cows are sacred. They can turn grass into steak and that's an f'en miracle!
Posted by: JB1000 at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (16OL0)
412
I don't understand why it was so popular in the first place.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 20, 2018 02:38 PM (vg8iE)
Supposedly it was for Gen-X, which I'm a part of, and I never saw much interesting in the show.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 20, 2018 02:38 PM (vg8iE)
Supposedly it was for Gen-X, which I'm a part of, and I never saw much interesting in the show.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (CEjKW)
413
So where were the"parents" during all this? Cheering from the sidelines?
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My kids rolled their eyes when I weighed in on some of the history or literature. Youngest just told me that she did not realize that Palestinians weren't poor oppressed things until last year. Even our 'conservative' schools are truly infected by some of the relativistic nonsense.
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My kids rolled their eyes when I weighed in on some of the history or literature. Youngest just told me that she did not realize that Palestinians weren't poor oppressed things until last year. Even our 'conservative' schools are truly infected by some of the relativistic nonsense.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (MIKMs)
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No one is teaching kids how to think. Even at college. Once someone did - me on a fvckin message board - it changed things.
Do you know how pathetic that is? I should not be teaching anyone anything. But it also shows they are receptive to learning and the Socratic method, if someone would bother.
by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla
gumdrop, in Paul's letter to Timothy, he tells him not to let those who are older to despise him for his youth, when he (Timothy) is knowledgeable of the Scriptures, and able to teach them the Gospel of Christ. I think your example above shows you to be in that same category. Teach away.
Do you know how pathetic that is? I should not be teaching anyone anything. But it also shows they are receptive to learning and the Socratic method, if someone would bother.
by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla
gumdrop, in Paul's letter to Timothy, he tells him not to let those who are older to despise him for his youth, when he (Timothy) is knowledgeable of the Scriptures, and able to teach them the Gospel of Christ. I think your example above shows you to be in that same category. Teach away.
Posted by: moki at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (V+V48)
415
Reality is a bitch. We call her Mother Nature.
You can't escape the consequences of your actions forever. Reality catches up and throat punches you.
You can't escape the consequences of your actions forever. Reality catches up and throat punches you.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (VpIIl)
416
Hair got huge in Texas in the 80's.
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (+lOpA)
417
Students hate it because I do not them them what to think nor hint at what I believe.
This is interesting because I completely respect it and have also experience the complete opposite.
One of the most powerful statements I ever heard from a teacher was a poli.sci. TA who said "this is my confession of bias" on the first day of class. (She was a Reagan Republican, in a place and time where that was controversial).
I can see the merits both of disclosing bias and not admitting to it.
This is interesting because I completely respect it and have also experience the complete opposite.
One of the most powerful statements I ever heard from a teacher was a poli.sci. TA who said "this is my confession of bias" on the first day of class. (She was a Reagan Republican, in a place and time where that was controversial).
I can see the merits both of disclosing bias and not admitting to it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (2NqXo)
419
Old and busted: The founders were slaveholding racists and we should remove their statues due to their original sin of slavery
New hotness: we shouldn't judge other culture's abhorrent actions if it is a longstanding tradition and works for them. Also the founders were racists because of slavery and should not be honored.
Wait, wut?
New hotness: we shouldn't judge other culture's abhorrent actions if it is a longstanding tradition and works for them. Also the founders were racists because of slavery and should not be honored.
Wait, wut?
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:52 PM (+087i)
420
Its dollars to doughnuts that Savonarola Hogg was part of the bullying crowd in Parkland.
Yeah but not the kind that beats up the nerd for lunch money, he would be on the receiving end of that. He's the crybully type that makes other people suffer for disagreeing or giving him bad feels, using the system and authorities.
Yeah but not the kind that beats up the nerd for lunch money, he would be on the receiving end of that. He's the crybully type that makes other people suffer for disagreeing or giving him bad feels, using the system and authorities.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (39g3+)
421
Hair got huge in Texas in the 80's.
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (+lOpA)
Not the only thing.
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (+lOpA)
Not the only thing.
Posted by: Texas Society for Plastic Surgeons at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (QLvwG)
422
The King of Denmark wore a Star of David as a finger to the Nazis. Pretty much everyone in the country started to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (39g3+)
Never heard of that. Good on him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:50 PM (39g3+)
Never heard of that. Good on him.
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (+lOpA)
423
Huffing bug spray and eating Tide pods is no way to go through life children.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (r9UYA)
424
45 years ago, my fifth grade class read this story and the students were horrified (except one).
The teacher admonished us to not to judge the people or the times they lived with.
I went to an ultra progressive school staffed by freshly graduated 60's hippie education majors.
The non-horrified student ended up in prison.
The amoral teacher retired with a "you got to be fucking kidding me" sized pension.
Nothing new here, move along.
The teacher admonished us to not to judge the people or the times they lived with.
I went to an ultra progressive school staffed by freshly graduated 60's hippie education majors.
The non-horrified student ended up in prison.
The amoral teacher retired with a "you got to be fucking kidding me" sized pension.
Nothing new here, move along.
Posted by: Berry Bug at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (qIP5b)
425
Wait, wut?
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:52 PM (+087i)
Nihilistic self-hate always leads to such cognitive dissonance.
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:52 PM (+087i)
Nihilistic self-hate always leads to such cognitive dissonance.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (8gDQu)
426
I wonder how many of the students would have no problem judging or condemning Christianity?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (OLCnA)
427
I actually liked Silas Marner.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (4lzWT)
428
Has David Hogg ever denied the rumors that he used to bully Nikolas Cruz?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (EyPfd)
429
When I grew up, I thought the lottery was a statement about the vietnam war. Back then, everyone knew their number in the draft lottery and it was a big deal.
I was too young, but i go the idea, and felt that when we had to read that we were being told how wrong it was to pick people to go and die in the jungle.
I still wonder if that is why it became such an iconic part of american education.
I was too young, but i go the idea, and felt that when we had to read that we were being told how wrong it was to pick people to go and die in the jungle.
I still wonder if that is why it became such an iconic part of american education.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (LWu6U)
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I'm firmly in the camp of the couple of morons up above who say this old bat is being fucked-with. It's a turning point in every teacher's career.
I know there are some who never tire of it, but it gets to be same-old, same-old: somebody has something shocking! occur with Today's Yoot, and every self-styled Kunservative rams a stick up their ass and takes off on Kids Nowadays. It's only fun for the first 20 years or so. Jesus.
I knew veterans of World War One. The first thing they needed you to know was that these WWII veterans were nothing special. This attitude is as old as Xenophon, and for all that time it has been the identifier of Old Coots. After you got over the hill, they tore the hill down.
My dad is 95, was in the heart of some of the stoutest action of the Bulge and the Rhine, and would have you now that the percentage of slackers and a-holes to decent guys does not change that much from one generation to the next. 'Course, that's just one of those nothin-special WWII vets talking.
But, don't let me slow you down. We're Lost! Lost! and the country I knew? Gone! Forever! How genuine Conservatives spend their time...
I know there are some who never tire of it, but it gets to be same-old, same-old: somebody has something shocking! occur with Today's Yoot, and every self-styled Kunservative rams a stick up their ass and takes off on Kids Nowadays. It's only fun for the first 20 years or so. Jesus.
I knew veterans of World War One. The first thing they needed you to know was that these WWII veterans were nothing special. This attitude is as old as Xenophon, and for all that time it has been the identifier of Old Coots. After you got over the hill, they tore the hill down.
My dad is 95, was in the heart of some of the stoutest action of the Bulge and the Rhine, and would have you now that the percentage of slackers and a-holes to decent guys does not change that much from one generation to the next. 'Course, that's just one of those nothin-special WWII vets talking.
But, don't let me slow you down. We're Lost! Lost! and the country I knew? Gone! Forever! How genuine Conservatives spend their time...
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (H5rtT)
431
Old and busted: The founders were slaveholding racists and we should remove their statues due to their original sin of slavery
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Thomas Jefferson was an amoral pretentious slave holding Francophile, and yet he still wrote the greatest political document of all time.
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Thomas Jefferson was an amoral pretentious slave holding Francophile, and yet he still wrote the greatest political document of all time.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (sX1BW)
432
They youngens I know personally seem to be a 180 from Millenials. And Ive read several articles claiming GenZ to be a more conservative than we think.
Kinda makes sense that the pendulum would swing back after 10 years of non stop insanity from your yuuuthes.
Kinda makes sense that the pendulum would swing back after 10 years of non stop insanity from your yuuuthes.
Posted by: Guys from Fight Club at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (Q8xB9)
433
Old and busted: The founders were slaveholding racists and we should remove their statues due to their original sin of slavery
New hotness: we shouldn't judge other culture's abhorrent actions if it is a longstanding tradition and works for them. Also the founders were racists because of slavery and should not be honored.
Wait, wut?
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:52 PM
See my post at 405. These kids live in the best place on earth. Yet they are told everyday how horrible it is and that everyone else is superior. There conclusion is wrong of course. But not surprising given the brainwashing they've had.
New hotness: we shouldn't judge other culture's abhorrent actions if it is a longstanding tradition and works for them. Also the founders were racists because of slavery and should not be honored.
Wait, wut?
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:52 PM
See my post at 405. These kids live in the best place on earth. Yet they are told everyday how horrible it is and that everyone else is superior. There conclusion is wrong of course. But not surprising given the brainwashing they've had.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (7qnb5)
434
I highly recommend Thomas Fielding. Tom Jones. Joseph Andrews. If you haven't read them, you are in for a treat.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (2LelM)
435
429 that makes sense
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (hMwEB)
436
The Moses story was the exact opposite. He was set adrift specifically in order to save him. Had he been kept in the home he would have certainly been killed.
And I'm really not sure about "literary" device, thing. The story of Moses was a complete one with all parts being important - his being a Jew and his being raised in Pharoah's house. Not to mention that it was written as an historical piece, not a work of fiction.
My point (such as it was) is that that kind of origin is pretty common, so it's unlikely that all of these great heroes had actually been abandoned in their infancy, but since that was an actual custom, it's hard to say that none of them were, either. Moses was the first one I thought of.
And I'm really not sure about "literary" device, thing. The story of Moses was a complete one with all parts being important - his being a Jew and his being raised in Pharoah's house. Not to mention that it was written as an historical piece, not a work of fiction.
My point (such as it was) is that that kind of origin is pretty common, so it's unlikely that all of these great heroes had actually been abandoned in their infancy, but since that was an actual custom, it's hard to say that none of them were, either. Moses was the first one I thought of.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (hXeKX)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:55 PM (39g3+)
438
Was there any recipes in the book?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 02:55 PM (o7tuA)
439
Lizzy, a lot of Twitter got their lulz at the Federalist because the Wrinkle reviewer wrote porn on the side. lololol Christian con hypocrisy.
never mind the merits of the review, never mind the Federalist being more of a libertarian site.
never mind the merits of the review, never mind the Federalist being more of a libertarian site.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 20, 2018 02:55 PM (G4vri)
440
There have always been the insane and morally corrupt among us. They just used to be the outliers, prevented from gaining power and influence.
Now they're celebrated.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (39g3+)
No. Because if that were true ... Margaret Sanger would have been stopped in her tracks. Ted Kennedy shamed from the public forum. Hitler and Mussollini never gained National followings. The Twenties would have never roared.
And that's just here in America.
Nah ... this gentile, We Just Knew Better In Our Day bullshit is ... bullshit. Wistful longing for a time that never was.
World has always been ugly. Just used to be easier to cover up. And Ignorance must really be Bliss.
Now they're celebrated.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:49 PM (39g3+)
No. Because if that were true ... Margaret Sanger would have been stopped in her tracks. Ted Kennedy shamed from the public forum. Hitler and Mussollini never gained National followings. The Twenties would have never roared.
And that's just here in America.
Nah ... this gentile, We Just Knew Better In Our Day bullshit is ... bullshit. Wistful longing for a time that never was.
World has always been ugly. Just used to be easier to cover up. And Ignorance must really be Bliss.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 20, 2018 02:56 PM (yv6t0)
441
The Washington Times: All the news fit to print in the 1990's, today!
Posted by: RioBravo at March 20, 2018 02:56 PM (5NMZN)
442
Guess I picked the wrong week to stop mainlining Raid.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 02:56 PM (7qnb5)
443
Old and busted: The founders were slaveholding racists and we should remove their statues due to their original sin of slavery
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Thomas Jefferson was an amoral pretentious slave holding
Francophile, and yet he still wrote the greatest political document of
all time.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (sX1BW)
Well, in between romps with Sally Hemmings to 'clear his mind.'
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Thomas Jefferson was an amoral pretentious slave holding
Francophile, and yet he still wrote the greatest political document of
all time.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (sX1BW)
Well, in between romps with Sally Hemmings to 'clear his mind.'
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 20, 2018 02:56 PM (QLvwG)
444
the Wrinkle reviewer wrote porn on the side. lololol Christian con hypocrisy.
never mind the merits of the review, never mind the Federalist being more of a libertarian site.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 20, 2018 02:55 PM (G4vri)
The wrinkle reviewer porn? Is that like granny porn?
never mind the merits of the review, never mind the Federalist being more of a libertarian site.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 20, 2018 02:55 PM (G4vri)
The wrinkle reviewer porn? Is that like granny porn?
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 02:57 PM (+087i)
445
>>Yeah but not the kind that beats up the nerd for lunch money, he would be on the receiving end of that. He's the crybully type that makes other people suffer for disagreeing or giving him bad feels, using the system and authorities.
Thought I read that the Parkland activists like Hogg and shavedheadchick were all in drama club. This is a toxic combination of activism + budding young actors finding a spotlight and acting their butts off in their new role at "shooting victim who has found his/her voice."
Thought I read that the Parkland activists like Hogg and shavedheadchick were all in drama club. This is a toxic combination of activism + budding young actors finding a spotlight and acting their butts off in their new role at "shooting victim who has found his/her voice."
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 02:57 PM (W+vEI)
446
World has always been ugly. Just used to be easier to cover up. And Ignorance must really be Bliss.
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The real difference between now and yesteryear is that humanity has basically conquered its material needs.
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The real difference between now and yesteryear is that humanity has basically conquered its material needs.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 02:57 PM (sX1BW)
447
Romulus and Remus were raised by a shepherd's wife. She was a prostitute and her nickname was "the Wolf". According to Livy, anyway.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 20, 2018 02:57 PM (3DZIZ)
448
390 look at it this way,
we are teaching them it is ok to sacrifice the third world to save "mother earth"
we are teaching them to sacrifice the women of europe to save "refugees"
or that it is ok to sacrifice the students of parkland to save "minorities" from bad police records.
etc.
So how could kids have a problem with this.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 20, 2018 02:48 PM (LWu6U)
Nicely put.
The new morality is depravity, and it is all around us.
A depraved culture, rotting from within and without.
we are teaching them it is ok to sacrifice the third world to save "mother earth"
we are teaching them to sacrifice the women of europe to save "refugees"
or that it is ok to sacrifice the students of parkland to save "minorities" from bad police records.
etc.
So how could kids have a problem with this.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 20, 2018 02:48 PM (LWu6U)
Nicely put.
The new morality is depravity, and it is all around us.
A depraved culture, rotting from within and without.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 02:57 PM (LZJOv)
449
Ugh.Off Fight Club sock
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (Q8xB9)
450
Yep, remember the book. But to pass judgement on it requires a grounding in traditional mores such as Judeo-Christianity.
Posted by: RI Red - Proud member, CRNSA at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (JpdDz)
451
fuck, i am so out of touch, i thought the point of school was to teach kids what to think.
I mean, if the teachers don't indoctrinate them that some things are wrong, and evil, then who will? I guess no one. and so here we are.
Surely kids are not expected to inherently know morality that will work in society. No one is stupid enough to believe that. Kids are what we make of them. if we make mush out of their morals, they will murder us.
I mean, if the teachers don't indoctrinate them that some things are wrong, and evil, then who will? I guess no one. and so here we are.
Surely kids are not expected to inherently know morality that will work in society. No one is stupid enough to believe that. Kids are what we make of them. if we make mush out of their morals, they will murder us.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (LWu6U)
452
I grew up on a diet of Conan, Die Hard, Predator, Chuck Norris films, and classic Arnold and Stallone films beginning at age 8. That shit was tame compared to the depraved hyper sexualized and nihilistic trash that is passed off as rated PG and even G rated and shown on Nickelodeon and Disney and Cartoon Network that is turning kids into psychopaths.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (/LX46)
453
I haven't read the comments, but as Chesterton said - "Wherever there is animal worship, there is human sacrifice."
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (TKmA0)
454
The stupid times precede the burning times by only a generation or two. This episode proves that the stupid times are upon us.
Only a generation this mindlessly stupid could think that "wildlife" is sacrosanct while at the same time that their own race is expendable. Only a race of people this stupid could think that capital punishment is a horror that makes us akin to Hitler while at the same time thinking that abortion on demand, and its commensurate wholesale murder of unborn, defenseless children, is the ultimate and most important of all "rights" that women only posses and which should be celebrated.
Weep. Weep for the future of the race of man. All is lost.
Shorter version. "We're f*cked"
Only a generation this mindlessly stupid could think that "wildlife" is sacrosanct while at the same time that their own race is expendable. Only a race of people this stupid could think that capital punishment is a horror that makes us akin to Hitler while at the same time thinking that abortion on demand, and its commensurate wholesale murder of unborn, defenseless children, is the ultimate and most important of all "rights" that women only posses and which should be celebrated.
Weep. Weep for the future of the race of man. All is lost.
Shorter version. "We're f*cked"
Posted by: Publius Redux at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (Fb9aZ)
455
I thought the "Shall not judge" verse in Scripture was a warning against hypocrisy?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (661ce)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (o7tuA)
457
I still wonder if that is why it became such an iconic part of american education.
I'm sure a lot of boomers have that connection, but objectively it is a good story to force young people to consider that kind of situation, the ethics of it, and how a culture can go bad and consider how to deal with it.
Because it happens all around us, every day.
A lot of the stuff we 29-year-olds (well 52) take for granted, few children that age have never encountered or considered before. So its useful to help them learn through a device like that instead of someone in a uniform kicking in the door to drag off a family member for being the wrong sort.
I'm sure a lot of boomers have that connection, but objectively it is a good story to force young people to consider that kind of situation, the ethics of it, and how a culture can go bad and consider how to deal with it.
Because it happens all around us, every day.
A lot of the stuff we 29-year-olds (well 52) take for granted, few children that age have never encountered or considered before. So its useful to help them learn through a device like that instead of someone in a uniform kicking in the door to drag off a family member for being the wrong sort.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (39g3+)
458
The Moses story was the exact opposite. He was
set adrift specifically in order to save him. Had he been kept in the
home he would have certainly been killed.
And I'm really not sure about "literary" device, thing. The story of
Moses was a complete one with all parts being important - his being a
Jew and his being raised in Pharoah's house. Not to mention that it was
written as an historical piece, not a work of fiction.
My point (such as it was) is that that kind of origin is pretty
common, so it's unlikely that all of these great heroes had actually
been abandoned in their infancy, but since that was an actual custom,
it's hard to say that none of them were, either. Moses was the first
one I thought of.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (hXeKX)
Hey! Don't leave me out. Turns out I was a prince.
set adrift specifically in order to save him. Had he been kept in the
home he would have certainly been killed.
And I'm really not sure about "literary" device, thing. The story of
Moses was a complete one with all parts being important - his being a
Jew and his being raised in Pharoah's house. Not to mention that it was
written as an historical piece, not a work of fiction.
My point (such as it was) is that that kind of origin is pretty
common, so it's unlikely that all of these great heroes had actually
been abandoned in their infancy, but since that was an actual custom,
it's hard to say that none of them were, either. Moses was the first
one I thought of.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 20, 2018 02:54 PM (hXeKX)
Hey! Don't leave me out. Turns out I was a prince.
Posted by: Lone Starr at March 20, 2018 02:59 PM (QLvwG)
459
I'm not saying it as a badge of honor. I'm saying it as a question it being called a staple of middle school literature. The Giver. The Hatchet. A Day No Pigs would Die. The Westing Game. Those are what I remember as required reading.
I'll give you that as a generational or regional thing. I've never heard of The Hatchet. We go through our paces and we learn what we're taught and then we break out.
I'll give you that as a generational or regional thing. I've never heard of The Hatchet. We go through our paces and we learn what we're taught and then we break out.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:59 PM (fuK7c)
460
I will say one thing I am surprised at: that people are surprised that facebook and google data mined the hell out of peoples personal lives. Hello, you are giving them the info. PS - quit sending naked pics on your cellphone.
I will say one thing I am surprised at: that people are surprised that facebook and google data mined the hell out of peoples personal lives. Hello, you are giving them the info. PS - quit sending naked pics on your cellphone.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 20, 2018 02:59 PM (r+sAi)
461
OT - Bloomberg TV and CNBC are all Farcebook and Cambridge Analytica all the time. They must pay for denying the Beast the throne
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2018 02:59 PM (OLCnA)
462
The story isn't about unambiguous evil. When I first read it I thought it sounded like a pagan ceremony, and that was when I was a kid. Multiculturalism is our strength right??
Posted by: DFCtomm at March 20, 2018 02:59 PM (50gG9)
463
>>Lizzy, a lot of Twitter got their lulz at the Federalist because the Wrinkle reviewer wrote porn on the side. lololol Christian con hypocrisy.
Huh. I've seen dismissive comments aimed at mainstream movie reviewers who happen to be white men, not just the Federalist.
It's seems to have become a valid response: that person's opinion has no value because of [gender, race, religion, etc.].
Huh. I've seen dismissive comments aimed at mainstream movie reviewers who happen to be white men, not just the Federalist.
It's seems to have become a valid response: that person's opinion has no value because of [gender, race, religion, etc.].
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 03:00 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Traveling Man&&& at March 20, 2018 03:00 PM (+g3xQ)
465
I haven't read the comments, but as Chesterton said - "Wherever there is animal worship, there is human sacrifice."
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True? He is wise, so I'll believe it.
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True? He is wise, so I'll believe it.
Posted by: SH at March 20, 2018 03:00 PM (sX1BW)
466
I'm firmly in the camp of the couple of morons up above who say this old bat is being fucked-with. It's a turning point in every teacher's career.
If it was simply one year, I'd agree.
That it was noticed over a 20 year span? No.
I was never told to fuck with a certain teachers mind by the class ahead of me, no did I or anyone I know, tell that to the class behind us.
If it was simply one year, I'd agree.
That it was noticed over a 20 year span? No.
I was never told to fuck with a certain teachers mind by the class ahead of me, no did I or anyone I know, tell that to the class behind us.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 03:00 PM (5t9V6)
467
451 fuck, i am so out of touch, i thought the point of school was to teach kids what to think.
I mean, if the teachers don't indoctrinate them that some things are wrong, and evil, then who will?
Parents, hopefully.
I mean, if the teachers don't indoctrinate them that some things are wrong, and evil, then who will?
Parents, hopefully.
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 20, 2018 03:00 PM (+087i)
468
not one of them in my class could tell me that this society, this cultural behavior was a bad thing.
What's the big deal? You sell the body parts to people who actually need them and nothing goes to waste.
What's the big deal? You sell the body parts to people who actually need them and nothing goes to waste.
Posted by: t-bird at March 20, 2018 03:00 PM (2z74n)
469
I read The Handmaids Tale in jr high. Hated it. And I tried watching the Hulu show....blegh.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 03:01 PM (Q8xB9)
470
South Africa's new finance minister says the reason people are poor is because of lack of money.
So he plans to print alot more of it and give it to poor people.
That should work out splendidly !
http://tinyurl.com/ybalgr9p
I'm beginning to put more faith in that world IQ map.
https://___ur.com/gallery/s9lwz
So he plans to print alot more of it and give it to poor people.
That should work out splendidly !
http://tinyurl.com/ybalgr9p
I'm beginning to put more faith in that world IQ map.
https://___ur.com/gallery/s9lwz
Posted by: McCool at March 20, 2018 03:01 PM (tWnED)
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 03:01 PM (MIKMs)
472
The current version is the Hunger Games. Jennifer Lawrence ruined that book with her non acting.
Posted by: moki at March 20, 2018 02:40 PM (V+V4
Actually I found the movies improved on the book and that Lawrence did an adequate job. One thing about the stories is they didn't have her beating up 200 pound guys. She almost gets killed by someone smaller than her and is only save by the hulking guy from another district who tosses the little waif around like a rag doll.
Posted by: moki at March 20, 2018 02:40 PM (V+V4
Actually I found the movies improved on the book and that Lawrence did an adequate job. One thing about the stories is they didn't have her beating up 200 pound guys. She almost gets killed by someone smaller than her and is only save by the hulking guy from another district who tosses the little waif around like a rag doll.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 03:01 PM (CEjKW)
473
What about The Chocolate War,why didn't that kid just sell the fucking chocolate?
Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (LiyEm)
474
This world IQ map ----> http://tinyurl.com/yb63wk69
Posted by: McCool at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (tWnED)
475
Thomas Jefferson was an amoral pretentious slave holding Francophile, and yet he still wrote plagiarized the greatest political document of
all time.
FIFY
all time.
FIFY
Posted by: George Mason, Thomas Paine and John Adams at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (ATVNj)
476
South Africa's new finance minister says the reason people are poor is because of lack of money.
So he plans to print alot more of it and give it to poor people.
That should work out splendidly !
Robert Mugabe wept.
So he plans to print alot more of it and give it to poor people.
That should work out splendidly !
Robert Mugabe wept.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (QQ+il)
477
Thomas Jefferson was an amoral pretentious slave holding Francophile, and yet he still wrote plagiarized the greatest political document of all time.
FIFY
FIFY
Posted by: George Mason, Thomas Paine and John Adams at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (ATVNj)
478
Has David Hogg denied rumors that he used to bully Nikolas Cruz?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (EyPfd)
This x a billion. There is a digital footprint showing Hogg to be a little psychopath himself. And doesn't video exist of the bullying?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 20, 2018 02:53 PM (EyPfd)
This x a billion. There is a digital footprint showing Hogg to be a little psychopath himself. And doesn't video exist of the bullying?
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (/LX46)
479
I read The Handmaids Tale in jr high. Hated it. And I tried watching the Hulu show....blegh.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 03:01 PM (Q8xB9)
I never read the book but what I don't understand is that the story seems to make no logical sense.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 03:01 PM (Q8xB9)
I never read the book but what I don't understand is that the story seems to make no logical sense.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 03:03 PM (CEjKW)
480
"Long story short, during the Paterno thing, message boards everywhere were saying not to judge him or the other involved cowards. I was in shock. Watched it for 3 days, and then had enough. And these were frickin' college students, and perhaps some adults."
They said "don't judge" because they already knew the judgment and didn't want to face it. That does not mean they actually believe in making no judgments.
Me, I want my foes to face justice; however I want to be treated much better than I deserve.
They said "don't judge" because they already knew the judgment and didn't want to face it. That does not mean they actually believe in making no judgments.
Me, I want my foes to face justice; however I want to be treated much better than I deserve.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Says Use Misery Marinade for Your Next BBQ! at March 20, 2018 03:03 PM (hLRSq)
481
Yep, remember the book. But to pass judgement on it requires a grounding in traditional mores such as Judeo-Christianity.
Posted by: RI Red - Proud member, CRNSA at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (JpdDz)
Exactly. Islam would have no trouble with this story. Stoning to death is in line with their ideology. As is killing. Because,that is what they are taught. Also, honor killings.
Posted by: RI Red - Proud member, CRNSA at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (JpdDz)
Exactly. Islam would have no trouble with this story. Stoning to death is in line with their ideology. As is killing. Because,that is what they are taught. Also, honor killings.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 03:03 PM (LZJOv)
482
I'll give you that as a generational or regional thing. I've never heard of The Hatchet. We go through our paces and we learn what we're taught and then we break out.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:59 PM (fuK7c)
Check it out. Its basically Cast Away or Young Robinson Crusoe. Not exactly long.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 20, 2018 02:59 PM (fuK7c)
Check it out. Its basically Cast Away or Young Robinson Crusoe. Not exactly long.
Posted by: buzzion at March 20, 2018 03:03 PM (lKs2v)
483
Ace, you could have a discussion post of what "The Lottery" is supposed to mean.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 03:03 PM (CEjKW)
484
some guy Evan Sayet, I think wrote a nice essay about how the left made "discrimination" a dirty word. Basically it means today something that what it really means.
Today it means to make a judgment based upon unreasonable non fact based assessments. If you just look at the root of the word you'll intuit it really meant something very different. They changed the meaning of the word, and it changes the way people think. most people anyway
Paging George Orwell. Mr. Orwell pick up the white courtesy phone. (I said white on purpose)
Today it means to make a judgment based upon unreasonable non fact based assessments. If you just look at the root of the word you'll intuit it really meant something very different. They changed the meaning of the word, and it changes the way people think. most people anyway
Paging George Orwell. Mr. Orwell pick up the white courtesy phone. (I said white on purpose)
Posted by: simplemind at March 20, 2018 03:03 PM (/iXlD)
485
I try to reread Shirley Jackson's 'The Lottery' every year if only to remind myself just how good she was at the short story form. There's simply no wasted motion in this story, no misplaced word or comma, with everything where it should be.
Jackson would be shocked at the morally bankrupt response of contemporary teens. She would view their indifference to life as the most horrifying thing of all.
In case you were wondering, those students described by the teacher are just the sort who can pull the lever on the gallows or pull the trigger on the prisoners lining the ditch, and it looks like we're turning out a whole generation of them. It won't turn out well.
Jackson would be shocked at the morally bankrupt response of contemporary teens. She would view their indifference to life as the most horrifying thing of all.
In case you were wondering, those students described by the teacher are just the sort who can pull the lever on the gallows or pull the trigger on the prisoners lining the ditch, and it looks like we're turning out a whole generation of them. It won't turn out well.
Posted by: troyriser at March 20, 2018 03:04 PM (K8f5g)
486
I believe all this other crap came much later, with social activists trying to change the extremely clear and obvious message of the story...
The difference between Fair And Right.
I can just see some fresh out of college lit major trying to twist this story around to show that "society tends to scapegoat individuals to bear the sins of the community".
Bullshit.
The difference between Fair And Right.
I can just see some fresh out of college lit major trying to twist this story around to show that "society tends to scapegoat individuals to bear the sins of the community".
Bullshit.
Posted by: Jwest at March 20, 2018 03:04 PM (/roJx)
487
475 Thomas Jefferson was an amoral pretentious slave holding Francophile, and yet he still wrote plagiarized the greatest political document of
all time.
FIFY
Posted by: George Mason, Thomas Paine and John Adams at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (ATVNj)
*Cough
all time.
FIFY
Posted by: George Mason, Thomas Paine and John Adams at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (ATVNj)
*Cough
Posted by: John Locke at March 20, 2018 03:04 PM (+087i)
Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:04 PM (4YjNb)
489
476 South Africa's new finance minister says the reason people are poor is because of lack of money.
So he plans to print alot more of it and give it to poor people.
That should work out splendidly !
Robert Mugabe wept.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (QQ+il)
That's just modern money theory, and nearly every bureaucrat in Washington believes that to one extent or the other.
So he plans to print alot more of it and give it to poor people.
That should work out splendidly !
Robert Mugabe wept.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (QQ+il)
That's just modern money theory, and nearly every bureaucrat in Washington believes that to one extent or the other.
Posted by: DFCtomm at March 20, 2018 03:04 PM (50gG9)
490
Not much in this generation to recommend it's continuance. Reality will emerge supreme, it always does. And that fact will render these young ones irrelevant.
With luck, there is enough of those who don't subscribe to the current philosophy to keep us going and counter them.
I hope.
Not much in this generation to recommend it's continuance. Reality will emerge supreme, it always does. And that fact will render these young ones irrelevant.
With luck, there is enough of those who don't subscribe to the current philosophy to keep us going and counter them.
I hope.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 20, 2018 03:04 PM (S/hVx)
491
159 Weird, I read the Lottery, the Velt, Lord of the Flies and Animal Farm (hated that one, but read it) in school. I also read Mein Kampf in high school.
Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (gbWkA)
Some books are more equal than others.
Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (gbWkA)
Some books are more equal than others.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 20, 2018 03:05 PM (7UW64)
492
Hatchet.
kid flys in small plane to remote area in Alaska, in route pilot has heart attack. Kid survives crash . . .
kid flys in small plane to remote area in Alaska, in route pilot has heart attack. Kid survives crash . . .
Posted by: simplemind at March 20, 2018 03:05 PM (EWstT)
493
Well we busted out of class
Had to get away from those fools
We learned more from a 3-minute record baby
Than we ever learned in school
- Bruce Springsteen
"No Surrender"
Had to get away from those fools
We learned more from a 3-minute record baby
Than we ever learned in school
- Bruce Springsteen
"No Surrender"
Posted by: RioBravo at March 20, 2018 03:05 PM (5NMZN)
494
I can't be surprised by the "who are we to judge" attitude. If we teach that all "cultures" are "equally valid" then we can't be shocked when barbarity is looked at with indifference, be it the human sacrifice of the lotters, FGM, beheading of the infidel or raping their women (we have seen in Europe that people refuse to condemn rapey migrants).
Posted by: CN at March 20, 2018 03:05 PM (5gaNQ)
495
But muh slippery slope fallacy!
Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at March 20, 2018 03:05 PM (fdjeU)
496
I'm a member of another political debate board, there are roughly the same number of liberals as conservatives. Yet it's the conservative parents who frustrate me the most. They admit their kids are liberal, and full of horse shit ideas. Yet they make no effort to correct them.
Posted by: Mike, but not THAT Mike at March 20, 2018 03:05 PM (swJ7s)
497
Holy Shit!!
cnn has a postive story about Trump saying small town America is booming again unddr Trump.
Then again cnn also has his approval at 32% lol, while everyone has it it the low to mid 40s.
Baby steps I guess.
cnn has a postive story about Trump saying small town America is booming again unddr Trump.
Then again cnn also has his approval at 32% lol, while everyone has it it the low to mid 40s.
Baby steps I guess.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 03:05 PM (Q8xB9)
498
The real difference between now and yesteryear is that humanity has basically conquered its material needs.
Yeah, the basic struggle to survive took up so much energy and time people had less time and energy for stupid and crazy. And the really pathetic losers and incompetents who refused to face reality tended not to live to breed or influence anyone else.
Its true that the world has always been an awful place, at least since the Fall. Our sin takes different forms at different times, but its always constant.
What has changed in the USA at least is that evil and crazy is being not just accepted but codified, embraced, celebrated, and empowered.
We had different evils in the past (cruelty to the different, slavery, mistreatment of women, etc) but it was always wrapped under a veneer of an attempt to be moral and follow objective, absolute standards of behavior, which were very powerful in restraining the worst of evil in most cases. Today all that restraint is gone, all the structures the nation were built on are torn down, and nothing has been put in its place other than the ever-changing Jell-O of progressivism
Yeah, the basic struggle to survive took up so much energy and time people had less time and energy for stupid and crazy. And the really pathetic losers and incompetents who refused to face reality tended not to live to breed or influence anyone else.
Its true that the world has always been an awful place, at least since the Fall. Our sin takes different forms at different times, but its always constant.
What has changed in the USA at least is that evil and crazy is being not just accepted but codified, embraced, celebrated, and empowered.
We had different evils in the past (cruelty to the different, slavery, mistreatment of women, etc) but it was always wrapped under a veneer of an attempt to be moral and follow objective, absolute standards of behavior, which were very powerful in restraining the worst of evil in most cases. Today all that restraint is gone, all the structures the nation were built on are torn down, and nothing has been put in its place other than the ever-changing Jell-O of progressivism
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 03:06 PM (39g3+)
499
I'm firmly in the camp of the couple of morons up above who say this old bat is being fucked-with. It's a turning point in every teacher's career.
If it was simply one year, I'd agree.
That it was noticed over a 20 year span? No.
I was never told to fuck with a certain teachers mind by the class ahead of me, no did I or anyone I know, tell that to the class behind us.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 03:00 PM (5t9V6)
YoungFag here. We didn't pull this shit either. And I went to a small private school where this would likely occur. It didn't occur in the public schools either in my hometown.
If it was simply one year, I'd agree.
That it was noticed over a 20 year span? No.
I was never told to fuck with a certain teachers mind by the class ahead of me, no did I or anyone I know, tell that to the class behind us.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 03:00 PM (5t9V6)
YoungFag here. We didn't pull this shit either. And I went to a small private school where this would likely occur. It didn't occur in the public schools either in my hometown.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 03:06 PM (/LX46)
500
I never read the book but what I don't understand is that the story seems to make no logical sense.
=====
When I read it, waaaay backwhen, if you look at Islam and the standard practices, it all makes a horrifying logical sense.
I never read the book but what I don't understand is that the story seems to make no logical sense.
=====
When I read it, waaaay backwhen, if you look at Islam and the standard practices, it all makes a horrifying logical sense.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 03:06 PM (MIKMs)
501
Look at what's been pounded into their tiny brains. America is racist, no need to honor her with an anthem, privilege is only why we are successful, capitalism is bad, Christians are bad. No need for two parents. America is greedy. America represses everyone else. Etc. Etc. When you're taught that your culture is bad it's easy to believe you have no place to judge others.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 03:06 PM (7qnb5)
502
485: Unless they are called upon to execute murderers, then they will not.
Posted by: CN at March 20, 2018 03:06 PM (5gaNQ)
503
Human sacrifice is okay, but I bet these kids know everyone *else* is racist and should be punished for it.
Posted by: Methos at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (XQvuQ)
504
So, let me get this straight...
These toads can't make moral judgments about a work of fiction, but they are triggered by me saying "penis."
These toads can't make moral judgments about a work of fiction, but they are triggered by me saying "penis."
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (gCJeK)
505
1984, Lord of the Flies, The Lottery, Fahrenheit
451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal
Farm - all dark and depressing!
Those are things I would consider required reading.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (NWiLs)
Res ipsa loquitur
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hMwEB)
Heh. But seriously, those are significant works of literature
(though I don't know about Owl Creek, never read that) I think any
person who wants to claim to be well-read needs to have read. Especially
Orwell's works, which were an alarm bell and still are.
Posted by: Insomniac
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I get that, but can they sprinkle in some good lighter reading? Some humor? Something uplifting? A tale of overcoming? Or is all great literary work just required to be dark and heavy?
451, Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, Animal
Farm - all dark and depressing!
Those are things I would consider required reading.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 02:26 PM (NWiLs)
Res ipsa loquitur
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 02:28 PM (hMwEB)
Heh. But seriously, those are significant works of literature
(though I don't know about Owl Creek, never read that) I think any
person who wants to claim to be well-read needs to have read. Especially
Orwell's works, which were an alarm bell and still are.
Posted by: Insomniac
-----
I get that, but can they sprinkle in some good lighter reading? Some humor? Something uplifting? A tale of overcoming? Or is all great literary work just required to be dark and heavy?
Posted by: Dang at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (8b+oT)
506
273 I'm OK with a Logan's Run scenario as long as I get the young Jenny Agutter
Posted by: BigZesty at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (hJn/J)
What about the too young Jenny in Walkabout?
Posted by: BigZesty at March 20, 2018 02:34 PM (hJn/J)
What about the too young Jenny in Walkabout?
Posted by: Downcast at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (IhJ1W)
507
447
Romulus and Remus were raised by a shepherd's wife. She was a prostitute
and her nickname was "the Wolf". According to Livy, anyway.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 20, 2018 02:57 PM (3DZIZ)
*****
Livy was a writer of philistine, "Greek", "gutter-trash", heaving bosom fiction. Only one small plinth above "dinosaur porn", dontchyaknow.
Romulus and Remus were raised by a shepherd's wife. She was a prostitute
and her nickname was "the Wolf". According to Livy, anyway.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 20, 2018 02:57 PM (3DZIZ)
*****
Livy was a writer of philistine, "Greek", "gutter-trash", heaving bosom fiction. Only one small plinth above "dinosaur porn", dontchyaknow.
Posted by: Virgil at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (Fb9aZ)
508
485
In case you were wondering, those students described by the teacher are just the sort who can pull the lever on the gallows or pull the trigger on the prisoners lining the ditch, and it looks like we're turning out a whole generation of them. It won't turn out well.
Posted by: troyriser at March 20, 2018 03:04 PM (K8f5g)
That seems to have been the whole point of Progressive education, yes?
In case you were wondering, those students described by the teacher are just the sort who can pull the lever on the gallows or pull the trigger on the prisoners lining the ditch, and it looks like we're turning out a whole generation of them. It won't turn out well.
Posted by: troyriser at March 20, 2018 03:04 PM (K8f5g)
That seems to have been the whole point of Progressive education, yes?
Posted by: rickl at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (xjiRE)
509
307 Didn't the ancient Romans leave new-born infants out in the hills overnight, to see if they survived? And wasn't Remus adopted and raised by a female wolf?
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (roQNm)
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The Romans exposed unwanted (usually disabled) babies because they thought it barbaric to kill little babies outright. It was considered impious, an affront to the gods. By leaving the baby outside, the decision about its life and death was left to the gods.
You might compare this to our own practices. We think it okay to dismember a fully-formed, viable baby in the womb. Indeed, we hold it as a sacred 'right.' But we still (for the time being) balk at killing newborns outright, even though by doing so we could avoid inflicting pain on the infant.
Posted by: Seven Cookies at March 20, 2018 02:37 PM (roQNm)
-----------------------------------
The Romans exposed unwanted (usually disabled) babies because they thought it barbaric to kill little babies outright. It was considered impious, an affront to the gods. By leaving the baby outside, the decision about its life and death was left to the gods.
You might compare this to our own practices. We think it okay to dismember a fully-formed, viable baby in the womb. Indeed, we hold it as a sacred 'right.' But we still (for the time being) balk at killing newborns outright, even though by doing so we could avoid inflicting pain on the infant.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (0jtPF)
510
>>I never read the book but what I don't understand is that the story seems to make no logical sense.
Author wrote it after a vacation in Afghanistan where for kicks she wore a burka (including the eye covering with little holes to see out) for a day. She found her burka cloak-of-invisibility inspiring - the cloaks her handmaids wear.
But now she says it's someone like Pence who would create a Handmaid's Tale-like future world.
Author wrote it after a vacation in Afghanistan where for kicks she wore a burka (including the eye covering with little holes to see out) for a day. She found her burka cloak-of-invisibility inspiring - the cloaks her handmaids wear.
But now she says it's someone like Pence who would create a Handmaid's Tale-like future world.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (W+vEI)
511
What about The Chocolate War,why didn't that kid just sell the fucking chocolate?
Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (LiyEm)
I just saw that movie. Weird, but fun. Great soundtrack.
Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (LiyEm)
I just saw that movie. Weird, but fun. Great soundtrack.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 20, 2018 03:08 PM (8gDQu)
512
But muh slippery slope fallacy!
Remember: the slippery slope argument is not a fallacy because it is wrong but because it does not refute one's opponent.
In other words, if someone argues that we should legalize homosexual marriage... and your response is "that will lead to greater evils"... that's a slippery slope fallacy.
Its not that the greater evils argument is necessarily false, its that the argument does not refute the opponent. Its just a statement of potential danger.
Logical fallacies are errors in structure and approach, not absolute statements of falsehood.
Remember: the slippery slope argument is not a fallacy because it is wrong but because it does not refute one's opponent.
In other words, if someone argues that we should legalize homosexual marriage... and your response is "that will lead to greater evils"... that's a slippery slope fallacy.
Its not that the greater evils argument is necessarily false, its that the argument does not refute the opponent. Its just a statement of potential danger.
Logical fallacies are errors in structure and approach, not absolute statements of falsehood.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 03:08 PM (39g3+)
513
I get that, but can they sprinkle in some good lighter reading? Some humor?
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That is a reasonably modest proposal.
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That is a reasonably modest proposal.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 20, 2018 03:08 PM (5NMZN)
514
Long story short, during the Paterno thing, message boards everywhere were saying not to judge him or the other involved cowards. I was in shock. Watched it for 3 days, and then had enough. And these were frickin' college students, and perhaps some adults."
They said "don't judge" because they already knew the judgment and didn't want to face it. That does not mean they actually believe in making no judgments.
Me, I want my foes to face justice; however I want to be treated much better than I deserve.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Says Use Misery Marinade for Your Next BBQ! at March 20, 2018 03:03 PM (hLRSq)
I said long story short. They had to get there and I used the socratic method to lead them. They had to be taught to see it. It was a process. And the bible story and Jesus also had to be relayed. It was a teaching thing. I didn't make one post and it was done. The thing was, they had been so soaked in "don't judge" and had no idea how it was explained biblically.
I was a no one until I made that post. They didn't go "okay stranger" got it. It was a process of back and forth.
But it was so sad that they were;'t having discussions with teachers and parents. But of course, now I know dissenting ideas and questions are shut down in classes, and schools teach group think and don't judge ad nauseum.
They said "don't judge" because they already knew the judgment and didn't want to face it. That does not mean they actually believe in making no judgments.
Me, I want my foes to face justice; however I want to be treated much better than I deserve.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Says Use Misery Marinade for Your Next BBQ! at March 20, 2018 03:03 PM (hLRSq)
I said long story short. They had to get there and I used the socratic method to lead them. They had to be taught to see it. It was a process. And the bible story and Jesus also had to be relayed. It was a teaching thing. I didn't make one post and it was done. The thing was, they had been so soaked in "don't judge" and had no idea how it was explained biblically.
I was a no one until I made that post. They didn't go "okay stranger" got it. It was a process of back and forth.
But it was so sad that they were;'t having discussions with teachers and parents. But of course, now I know dissenting ideas and questions are shut down in classes, and schools teach group think and don't judge ad nauseum.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 03:08 PM (LZJOv)
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What about the too young Jenny in Walkabout?
Posted by: Downcast at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (IhJ1W)
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Crazy - my wife and I just watched that movie two days ago! Gosh Jenny Agutter was a hottie - she was also in American Werewolf in London (and Logan's Run as was mentioned).
Posted by: Downcast at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (IhJ1W)
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Crazy - my wife and I just watched that movie two days ago! Gosh Jenny Agutter was a hottie - she was also in American Werewolf in London (and Logan's Run as was mentioned).
Posted by: Publius Redux at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (Fb9aZ)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (EyPfd)
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499 I'm firmly in the camp of the couple of morons up above who say this old bat is being fucked-with.
we fucked with our latin teacher. mostly over the pronunciation of facio
we fucked with our latin teacher. mostly over the pronunciation of facio
Posted by: x at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (nFwvY)
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Handmaid's Tale is pretty stupid.
Sheri Tepper, who is a batshit crazy feminist but can actwrite, has a better version titled The Gate to Women's Country. Interesting twist.
Sheri Tepper, who is a batshit crazy feminist but can actwrite, has a better version titled The Gate to Women's Country. Interesting twist.
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (hMwEB)
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In order to make a moral judgement you need to have morals.
Christian values used to be assumed. They aren't any more. Christians are ridiculued without even bring understood.
I doubt any of those kids know where the phrase "the writing on the wall" even comes from. Or could tell you anything about the sermon on the mount.
Without Christianity, paganism will rise with all it's traditional blood letting.
Unless Islam murders everyone first.
Christian values used to be assumed. They aren't any more. Christians are ridiculued without even bring understood.
I doubt any of those kids know where the phrase "the writing on the wall" even comes from. Or could tell you anything about the sermon on the mount.
Without Christianity, paganism will rise with all it's traditional blood letting.
Unless Islam murders everyone first.
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (4YjNb)
520
Word usage question: are the media immoral pond scum, or are they amoral pond scum?
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at March 20, 2018 03:10 PM (7GNTg)
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453 I haven't read the comments, but as Chesterton said - "Wherever there is animal worship, there is human sacrifice."
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (TKmA0)
Dana Perino hardest hit and exposed.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 20, 2018 02:58 PM (TKmA0)
Dana Perino hardest hit and exposed.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 03:10 PM (/LX46)
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Holy Shit!!
cnn has a postive story about Trump saying small town America is booming again unddr Trump.
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"Small town America" is not a good thing on the Left. After all, the left believes small towns mainly white, Christian, rural with few or no POC, homosexuals, etc. You know, the place where all those rednecks live.
If anything, it's CNN raising the alarm bell.... "Oh noes!!! The Nazis are becoming economically viable!!"
cnn has a postive story about Trump saying small town America is booming again unddr Trump.
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"Small town America" is not a good thing on the Left. After all, the left believes small towns mainly white, Christian, rural with few or no POC, homosexuals, etc. You know, the place where all those rednecks live.
If anything, it's CNN raising the alarm bell.... "Oh noes!!! The Nazis are becoming economically viable!!"
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 20, 2018 03:10 PM (vg8iE)
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What scares me about the left's "non-judgmentalism" is that it's a command and control botnet.
The mushy headed people run around in a default state of non-judgmentalism of everything. Then they get a signal from the command servers telling them they are now judgmental of X.
Then they release their rage on X and everyone associated with it.
It doesn't matter that they didn't care about X at any point in their lives up until one nanosecond before the signal, now they are convinced it's the worst thing ever.
See the left's fascination with the emoluments clause and Trump. Before the signal went out, they didn't care about it. Then they're told it's the worst thing ever. They don't even do a rule check to see if the new rule makes sense against past behavior they applauded. They also won't apply this new rule to people of whom they approve. It's a narrow and flexible ruleset.
You can even spoof these bots for a little while, up until they get online. That's how you get people signing petitions to end women's suffrage and ban Dihydrogen monoxide. But as soon as they get online, they check in with the C and C servers (HuffPost, CNBC, Reddit, etc) to see if the signal really came from the left.
The mushy headed people run around in a default state of non-judgmentalism of everything. Then they get a signal from the command servers telling them they are now judgmental of X.
Then they release their rage on X and everyone associated with it.
It doesn't matter that they didn't care about X at any point in their lives up until one nanosecond before the signal, now they are convinced it's the worst thing ever.
See the left's fascination with the emoluments clause and Trump. Before the signal went out, they didn't care about it. Then they're told it's the worst thing ever. They don't even do a rule check to see if the new rule makes sense against past behavior they applauded. They also won't apply this new rule to people of whom they approve. It's a narrow and flexible ruleset.
You can even spoof these bots for a little while, up until they get online. That's how you get people signing petitions to end women's suffrage and ban Dihydrogen monoxide. But as soon as they get online, they check in with the C and C servers (HuffPost, CNBC, Reddit, etc) to see if the signal really came from the left.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 20, 2018 03:10 PM (iv0p7)
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It isn't the end times if we fight back. Can we stop this "tired old Republican professor" shit and start harming these pieces of shit?
Every time some Democrat attacks some old lady or little girl, we see the TORP set looking like deer in the headlights and bemoaning just what mean, violent people our enemies, excuse me, friends on the opposite side of the aisle, are, and as a result making us ALL look like pussies.
Next time a Democrat/Antifa/NAMBLA piece of dogshit pushes a Tea Partier in a wheelchair into oncoming traffic, I don't want to see bemoaning. I want to see the little pussy's house address going viral online.
We've seen what we can do if we man up. Remember the little pantywaist who tried to rush the stage and attack Trump, and got his head kicked in by his supporters? Remember how Antifa ran like little bitches when they met up with people, many of them veterans, who wouldn't take their shit? We are, at heart, men, and they are not.
Let's start getting pissed and acting on it.
Every time some Democrat attacks some old lady or little girl, we see the TORP set looking like deer in the headlights and bemoaning just what mean, violent people our enemies, excuse me, friends on the opposite side of the aisle, are, and as a result making us ALL look like pussies.
Next time a Democrat/Antifa/NAMBLA piece of dogshit pushes a Tea Partier in a wheelchair into oncoming traffic, I don't want to see bemoaning. I want to see the little pussy's house address going viral online.
We've seen what we can do if we man up. Remember the little pantywaist who tried to rush the stage and attack Trump, and got his head kicked in by his supporters? Remember how Antifa ran like little bitches when they met up with people, many of them veterans, who wouldn't take their shit? We are, at heart, men, and they are not.
Let's start getting pissed and acting on it.
Posted by: Ken at March 20, 2018 03:10 PM (SdEXS)
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I also think there's a non-zero chance the teacher is being fucked with.
But I would also hope a teacher with that much experience would be able to spot that a mile away.
But I would also hope a teacher with that much experience would be able to spot that a mile away.
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:11 PM (4YjNb)
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I'm OK with a Logan's Run scenario as long as I get the young Jenny Agutter
Or the young Farrah Fawcett, also in the movie
But now she says it's someone like Pence who would create a Handmaid's Tale-like future world.
Yeah that was really annoying. But clearly, she's cashing in, so why interfere with the money train by pointing out this is blatantly about Islam? From her perspective, its just good business. And she might even believe it at this point.
Or the young Farrah Fawcett, also in the movie
But now she says it's someone like Pence who would create a Handmaid's Tale-like future world.
Yeah that was really annoying. But clearly, she's cashing in, so why interfere with the money train by pointing out this is blatantly about Islam? From her perspective, its just good business. And she might even believe it at this point.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 03:11 PM (39g3+)
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You might compare this to our own practices. We think it okay to dismember a fully-formed, viable baby in the womb.
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It is remarkable, is it not, how resistant to change humanity is? Must be unbelievably frustrating to try and teach such a lot of stiff necked, stone hearted, slow learning mooks.
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It is remarkable, is it not, how resistant to change humanity is? Must be unbelievably frustrating to try and teach such a lot of stiff necked, stone hearted, slow learning mooks.
Posted by: simplemind at March 20, 2018 03:11 PM (nYJSC)
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But now she says it's someone like Pence who would create a Handmaid's Tale-like future world.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (W+vEI)
I read about half of that book, just to see what the furor was all about. It is nonsense on the face of it. She never explains who took over the country, or who made all the changes, or how they found the power to do so, let alone the power to keep things that way. Makes no sense whatsoever. It is just a fever dream from a very silly woman.
I couldn't finish the damned thing, it was so banal.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 03:07 PM (W+vEI)
I read about half of that book, just to see what the furor was all about. It is nonsense on the face of it. She never explains who took over the country, or who made all the changes, or how they found the power to do so, let alone the power to keep things that way. Makes no sense whatsoever. It is just a fever dream from a very silly woman.
I couldn't finish the damned thing, it was so banal.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 20, 2018 03:11 PM (7UW64)
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BTW: that post is the most disturbing I've read in a long time. Is it time for SMOD or another flood?
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at March 20, 2018 03:12 PM (7GNTg)
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I never read the book but what I don't understand is that the story seems to make no logical sense.
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When I read it, waaaay backwhen, if you look at Islam and the standard practices, it all makes a horrifying logical sense.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 03:06 PM (MIKMs)
Bingo!
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When I read it, waaaay backwhen, if you look at Islam and the standard practices, it all makes a horrifying logical sense.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 03:06 PM (MIKMs)
Bingo!
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 03:12 PM (LZJOv)
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Sheri Tepper, who is a batshit crazy feminist but can actwrite, has a better version titled The Gate to Women's Country.
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I'd be more interested in The Gate to Man's Country.
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I'd be more interested in The Gate to Man's Country.
Posted by: Barry! at March 20, 2018 03:12 PM (vg8iE)
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Handmaids Tale is the official TV show of the resistance. So it won all sorts of awards. Even though the produxtion is awful. But WomYn and grrrrrrl power and Trump!!!!!
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 03:12 PM (Q8xB9)
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What has changed in the USA at least is that evil and crazy is being not
just accepted but codified, embraced, celebrated, and empowered.
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It's a return to historic norms, see Romans 1
just accepted but codified, embraced, celebrated, and empowered.
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It's a return to historic norms, see Romans 1
Posted by: Methos at March 20, 2018 03:12 PM (XQvuQ)
534
The original Handmaidens tale was about post Islamic revolution Iran.
Of course that's a hate fact now
Of course that's a hate fact now
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:12 PM (4YjNb)
535
Handmaid's Tale is pretty stupid.
Yeah its kind of shocking they got an actor of Robert Duvall's caliber to be in the movie, let alone made a film of that crapfest.
Yeah its kind of shocking they got an actor of Robert Duvall's caliber to be in the movie, let alone made a film of that crapfest.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 03:13 PM (39g3+)
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My parents and I are 1.5 generations apart. They had me in their 30s. They are either Pre- or Very Early Baby Boomers. (My father was born only just as WWII started for the U.S.)
I'm supposedly Gen X, but near the end of that categorization.
I've asked my mother if the difference between when she grew up and when I grew up is greater than when I grew up and today.
She says she thinks the difference is smaller from now to the 80s, than the 80s to the 50s. But, and I quote, "But then, I lived through the '60s."
My children and I are 1.5 generations apart. I shudder to think what they will be seeing.
I'm supposedly Gen X, but near the end of that categorization.
I've asked my mother if the difference between when she grew up and when I grew up is greater than when I grew up and today.
She says she thinks the difference is smaller from now to the 80s, than the 80s to the 50s. But, and I quote, "But then, I lived through the '60s."
My children and I are 1.5 generations apart. I shudder to think what they will be seeing.
Posted by: makatta at March 20, 2018 03:13 PM (Y7Qzg)
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Wow, after reading Instapundit's story about "The Lottery" I do NOT want those people deciding about my healthcare. It's not just death panels, it's getting put on a friggin' ice floe.
Posted by: vivi at March 20, 2018 03:13 PM (11H2y)
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Eh the bigger issue is that this same girl would give absolutely no deference to an actual religion of long standing to do something as minor as refuse to pay for birth control. Cultural relativism has always been a young persons game. The oscillating logic of progressivism is the real virus.
Posted by: Sam Haysom at March 20, 2018 03:13 PM (SVGOz)
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BTW: that post is the most disturbing I've read in a long time. Is it time for SMOD or another flood?
No...
The other thing.
There will be running and screaming.
No...
The other thing.
There will be running and screaming.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 20, 2018 03:13 PM (Boy/L)
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>> But we still (for the time being) balk at killing newborns outright, even though by doing so we could avoid inflicting pain on the infant.
Not the Dutch... they just loves themselves some euthanasia. They'll kill old people, alcoholics, the depressed,. Just say you're unhappy and the Dutch will suggest helping you kill yourself.
Not the Dutch... they just loves themselves some euthanasia. They'll kill old people, alcoholics, the depressed,. Just say you're unhappy and the Dutch will suggest helping you kill yourself.
Posted by: McCool at March 20, 2018 03:13 PM (tWnED)
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that post is the most disturbing I've read in a long time. Is it time for SMOD or another flood?
"No, I said I wouldn't again destroy the world...
with water."
--God
"No, I said I wouldn't again destroy the world...
with water."
--God
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 03:14 PM (39g3+)
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473 What about The Chocolate War,why didn't that kid just sell the fucking chocolate?
Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (LiyEm)
My high school was that mixed with "Lord Of The Flies".
Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2018 03:02 PM (LiyEm)
My high school was that mixed with "Lord Of The Flies".
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 03:14 PM (ujg0T)
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525 I also think there's a non-zero chance the teacher is being fucked with.
But I would also hope a teacher with that much experience would be able to spot that a mile away.
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:11 PM (4YjNb)
I think you give these kids far too much credit.
But I would also hope a teacher with that much experience would be able to spot that a mile away.
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:11 PM (4YjNb)
I think you give these kids far too much credit.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 20, 2018 03:14 PM (7UW64)
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The kids are never exposed to morality in their daily lives.
The Democrat Press Machine has been indoctrinating them 24/7 that the US is full of evil, hate, discrimination, and worse. At the same time they worship sluts like the Kardashians, holding them up like queens to admire.
Yet they eat on a regular schedule, live in warm homes, have access to a multitude of electronics for communication and entertainment.
Oh, and most don't do any work for it.
And every day, the drumbeat from Leftists that America is evil.
If having a warm home, easy immediate access to food, unlimited fantasy through their smartphone, is BAD, why would anyone expect a different outcome?
C'mon now, any reason why they can't see right from wrong?
For a test, it would be interesting to do the same reading with an assembled class of home-schoolers, minus their parents.
I am convinced the results would be very different.
The Democrat Press Machine has been indoctrinating them 24/7 that the US is full of evil, hate, discrimination, and worse. At the same time they worship sluts like the Kardashians, holding them up like queens to admire.
Yet they eat on a regular schedule, live in warm homes, have access to a multitude of electronics for communication and entertainment.
Oh, and most don't do any work for it.
And every day, the drumbeat from Leftists that America is evil.
If having a warm home, easy immediate access to food, unlimited fantasy through their smartphone, is BAD, why would anyone expect a different outcome?
C'mon now, any reason why they can't see right from wrong?
For a test, it would be interesting to do the same reading with an assembled class of home-schoolers, minus their parents.
I am convinced the results would be very different.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 03:15 PM (UsCnO)
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534 The original Handmaidens tale was about post Islamic revolution Iran.
Of course that's a hate fact now
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:12 PM (4YjNb)
I am surprised. I thought Margaret Atwood was a leftist moonbat, and it was about Teh Christchenzz
Of course that's a hate fact now
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:12 PM (4YjNb)
I am surprised. I thought Margaret Atwood was a leftist moonbat, and it was about Teh Christchenzz
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 03:15 PM (ujg0T)
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Who are they to judge? Well unless you're, Christian, own a gun, wealthy, white, male. conservative. Then your a repressive scum! Everyone else is automatically awesome!
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 03:15 PM (7qnb5)
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The "don't judge" dictum is very handy to the Left so that they can continue with dismantling the civil society. They are very judgemental in dismissing anything they don't like or disagree with, their trick is to fool everybody else into going along with them.
Posted by: Decaf at March 20, 2018 03:16 PM (/3+Sg)
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Nood
Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2018 03:16 PM (LiyEm)
549
Only someone who is illiterate, stupid to the point of retardation and bat shit crazy would say The Hand Maidens Tale will come through someone like Mike Pence.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at March 20, 2018 03:16 PM (7GNTg)
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My high school was that mixed with "Lord Of The Flies".
It's a shame that Buzzion died playing the part of Piggy.
It's a shame that Buzzion died playing the part of Piggy.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 20, 2018 03:16 PM (gCJeK)
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PS - quit sending naked pics on your cellphone.
wait. when did the HQ make this a rule?
damn Democrat politicos, ruining a good thing for the rest of us...
wait. when did the HQ make this a rule?
damn Democrat politicos, ruining a good thing for the rest of us...
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 20, 2018 03:17 PM (G4vri)
552
The mushy headed people run around in a default state of non-judgmentalism of everything. Then they get a signal from the command servers telling them they are now judgmental of X.
Then they release their rage on X and everyone associated with it.
The Return of the Archons.
Then they release their rage on X and everyone associated with it.
The Return of the Archons.
Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that ther is a Star Trek for everything at March 20, 2018 03:17 PM (QQ+il)
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In order to make a moral judgement you need to have morals.
Christian values used to be assumed. They aren't any more. Christians are ridiculued without even bring understood.
I doubt any of those kids know where the phrase "the writing on the wall" even comes from. Or could tell you anything about the sermon on the mount.
Without Christianity, paganism will rise with all it's traditional blood letting.
Unless Islam murders everyone first.
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (4YjNb)
True. Yet, teachers seem incapable of teaching that. How the things we take are universal beliefs, are not. And how differently Eastern Civilization is and why. About the Enlightment too...that the East didn't go thru. And the inherent dangers to our way of life.
Our schools suck.
That's why I wish we would pushback...oops...nevermind...I said I wouldn't talk about that anymore.
Christian values used to be assumed. They aren't any more. Christians are ridiculued without even bring understood.
I doubt any of those kids know where the phrase "the writing on the wall" even comes from. Or could tell you anything about the sermon on the mount.
Without Christianity, paganism will rise with all it's traditional blood letting.
Unless Islam murders everyone first.
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (4YjNb)
True. Yet, teachers seem incapable of teaching that. How the things we take are universal beliefs, are not. And how differently Eastern Civilization is and why. About the Enlightment too...that the East didn't go thru. And the inherent dangers to our way of life.
Our schools suck.
That's why I wish we would pushback...oops...nevermind...I said I wouldn't talk about that anymore.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 03:17 PM (LZJOv)
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Learning to think reasonably and logically is a skill, it is something you have to learn. People aren't born with it, they are merely born with a greater inclination or disinclination toward it. Most can remember the point in their life when things fell together like a Lego "click" and suddenly they could make more sense out of life. They had the tools and knew how to use them.
Modern public schools and the left's education philosophy does not want to, and does not, teach kids this skill. They shun it as being a bad thing, and push children away from it.
Lacking this skill, this is what you get.
Modern public schools and the left's education philosophy does not want to, and does not, teach kids this skill. They shun it as being a bad thing, and push children away from it.
Lacking this skill, this is what you get.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 03:17 PM (39g3+)
555
Little Monsters.... Perfect reference for this because Lady Gaga and what she calls her fans and what they are involved in.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 03:18 PM (/LX46)
556
Hair got huge in Texas in the 80's.
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (+lOpA)
"The bigger the hair, the closer to God."
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (+lOpA)
"The bigger the hair, the closer to God."
Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at March 20, 2018 03:19 PM (uiwCw)
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Only someone who is illiterate, stupid to the point of retardation and bat shit crazy would say The Hand Maidens Tale will come through someone like Mike Pence.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at March 20, 2018 03:16 PM (7GNTg)
I know, right? And that is all of Hollywood and most of the progressive left it seems.
I was in total disbelief when I heard that.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at March 20, 2018 03:16 PM (7GNTg)
I know, right? And that is all of Hollywood and most of the progressive left it seems.
I was in total disbelief when I heard that.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 03:19 PM (LZJOv)
558
After reading that link again, I'm starting to think that it's more about the teacher coming to her senses than it is about the little Children of the Corn in her classes she's been busy churning out for 30 years.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at March 20, 2018 03:19 PM (GdWl+)
559
Beth will probably fail to grow up to be an euthanasia technician in the gulag.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 20, 2018 03:19 PM (e1mEI)
560
"I don't blame the little shits. I blame the parents and teachers.
Posted by: JAS at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (sCN2W)"
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Exactly. If children are born perfect and society supposedly makes them evil then why do we need education? I think we are about to find out what children are like when not instructed in morality.
Posted by: JAS at March 20, 2018 02:05 PM (sCN2W)"
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Exactly. If children are born perfect and society supposedly makes them evil then why do we need education? I think we are about to find out what children are like when not instructed in morality.
Posted by: Decaf at March 20, 2018 03:20 PM (/3+Sg)
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556 Hair got huge in Texas in the 80's.
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (+lOpA)
"The bigger the hair, the closer to God."
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So true. That's why Trump won. That, and he washes his hair.
Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 02:51 PM (+lOpA)
"The bigger the hair, the closer to God."
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So true. That's why Trump won. That, and he washes his hair.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 03:20 PM (2LelM)
562
oh, and shut up, Ken.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 20, 2018 03:20 PM (G4vri)
563
109
Old: Everybody Gets a Trophy!
New: Everybody Wins the Lottery!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (oVJmc)
Yeah, but the payoff is in Venezuelan money.
Old: Everybody Gets a Trophy!
New: Everybody Wins the Lottery!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 02:13 PM (oVJmc)
Yeah, but the payoff is in Venezuelan money.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 03:21 PM (UsCnO)
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Sheri Tepper, who is a batshit crazy feminist but
can actwrite, has a better version titled The Gate to Women's Country.
Interesting twist. Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (hMwEB)
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Thank you for mentioning that one. She is personally batshit, but her evocation of the black bags getting on the spaceship if absolutely chilling.
can actwrite, has a better version titled The Gate to Women's Country.
Interesting twist. Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (hMwEB)
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Thank you for mentioning that one. She is personally batshit, but her evocation of the black bags getting on the spaceship if absolutely chilling.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 20, 2018 03:21 PM (MIKMs)
565
Ace if Spades is the incarnation of Lord of the Flies. Don't be Piggy.
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 03:22 PM (2LelM)
566
Let's start getting pissed and acting on it.
Posted by: Ken at March 20, 2018 03:10 PM (SdEXS)
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This. Time to start giving these adult babies the discipline their parents and teachers didn't.
Posted by: Ken at March 20, 2018 03:10 PM (SdEXS)
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This. Time to start giving these adult babies the discipline their parents and teachers didn't.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 20, 2018 03:22 PM (AzW6q)
567
Lacking this skill, this is what you get.
Along those same lines, Dr. Jordan Peterson has a video where he notes that some of his clients would say, "Oh, I don't want to even talk about that." and so they don't.
He counters with, "None of what we're going to talk about has to happen, OK?"
That is how you think; by examining and exploring possible ways to improve a situation.
Along those same lines, Dr. Jordan Peterson has a video where he notes that some of his clients would say, "Oh, I don't want to even talk about that." and so they don't.
He counters with, "None of what we're going to talk about has to happen, OK?"
That is how you think; by examining and exploring possible ways to improve a situation.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at March 20, 2018 03:24 PM (GdWl+)
568
I think it was Instapundit last year that linked to some articles by professors who said kids were really nice and polite, but had no idea how to think critically. It was pretty scary. And that is what the schools are churning out. Robots for the revolution.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 03:26 PM (LZJOv)
569
mustbequantum, black bags on spaceship?
was that a different novel?
was that a different novel?
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 03:26 PM (hMwEB)
570
Th junior politicians of Parkland FL refused to say a bad thing about the FBI or the sheriff's department either.
Both refused to obey the law.
They even engaged in a politically driven policy that suppressed reporting of crimes which result in a person failing a background check.
And then stood idly by as 17 human beings were murdered. And as the killer walked out of the school.
They then treated everyone else as criminals.
Both refused to obey the law.
They even engaged in a politically driven policy that suppressed reporting of crimes which result in a person failing a background check.
And then stood idly by as 17 human beings were murdered. And as the killer walked out of the school.
They then treated everyone else as criminals.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 20, 2018 03:27 PM (Fa3cJ)
571
I think this is partly a result of secularism: regarding humans as animals. Mice and fish sometimes eat their young. Male lions kill the cubs of other males when they take over a pride. Chimps have no pity for their old or infirm and will beat them to death in competition for food.
We don't seek to train these species to behave better. So the same principle applies to humans. If you see Muslims beheading people who believe differently or beating their women, that's just how that species of animals behaves. Or Indians burning their widows or instituting a caste system. Or Maori or certain African and South American tribes engaging in cannibalism.
To pass judgment on these cultures would be like looking down our nose at various species of animals. So sit there, assume the lotus position and repeat to yourself "their culture is no worse than mine. My culture is no better than theirs. We are all animals" over and over again.
Of course it's self refuting, because that in itself is a moral rule. If I reject it and want to be a hard assed deontologist, none of the relativists can condemn me, because I'm just one more species in the zoo of humans classified by ethics.
We don't seek to train these species to behave better. So the same principle applies to humans. If you see Muslims beheading people who believe differently or beating their women, that's just how that species of animals behaves. Or Indians burning their widows or instituting a caste system. Or Maori or certain African and South American tribes engaging in cannibalism.
To pass judgment on these cultures would be like looking down our nose at various species of animals. So sit there, assume the lotus position and repeat to yourself "their culture is no worse than mine. My culture is no better than theirs. We are all animals" over and over again.
Of course it's self refuting, because that in itself is a moral rule. If I reject it and want to be a hard assed deontologist, none of the relativists can condemn me, because I'm just one more species in the zoo of humans classified by ethics.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 20, 2018 03:29 PM (/qEW2)
572
"Without Christianity, paganism will rise with all it's traditional blood letting.
Unless Islam murders everyone first.
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (4YjNb) "
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Islam, another system that has elastic morality. It seems the only forbidden thing is to disobey. No wonder the Sinister side of politics promotes it.
Unless Islam murders everyone first.
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 03:09 PM (4YjNb) "
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Islam, another system that has elastic morality. It seems the only forbidden thing is to disobey. No wonder the Sinister side of politics promotes it.
Posted by: Decaf at March 20, 2018 03:30 PM (/3+Sg)
Posted by: Corndog at March 20, 2018 03:30 PM (vFCjI)
574
155
Do people still have any doubts about our Overlords and Our Betters
engaging in ritualistic human sacrifices, pedophilia, and cannibalism?
This will become the norm in the next 10 years.
This is some Old Testiment evil shit.
Posted by: Monk
Then release me from the New Testament restraints.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (5t9V6)
It seems that we are getting close. The last side, (and yes, in this country we are now taking sides) to realize this is the side going down.
Too bad for them. Because those that try to be good, fall short, and try again KNOW evil, those that live in a life of moral relativism have no idea what true evil can be, and are more easily lured into it without realizing it.But hey, they have or wish for thousand dollar Apple X iphones. So there is that.
Do people still have any doubts about our Overlords and Our Betters
engaging in ritualistic human sacrifices, pedophilia, and cannibalism?
This will become the norm in the next 10 years.
This is some Old Testiment evil shit.
Posted by: Monk
Then release me from the New Testament restraints.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2018 02:18 PM (5t9V6)
It seems that we are getting close. The last side, (and yes, in this country we are now taking sides) to realize this is the side going down.
Too bad for them. Because those that try to be good, fall short, and try again KNOW evil, those that live in a life of moral relativism have no idea what true evil can be, and are more easily lured into it without realizing it.But hey, they have or wish for thousand dollar Apple X iphones. So there is that.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 03:31 PM (UsCnO)
575
52 I believe that turning our children into psychopaths with no moral compass is the endgame for Our Overlords and Social Engineers.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (/LX46)
You start with the leaders, and then it trickles down.
Read Hayek.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 02:08 PM (/LX46)
You start with the leaders, and then it trickles down.
Read Hayek.
Posted by: West at March 20, 2018 03:32 PM (7Fa8Y)
576
Foolish foolish teacher. She was not able to think quickly. In addition we've become so multi-cultural that we can't think clearly. The story needs to be updated so that students can relate to it. Say, make it a bunch of whites stoning a black man. I'm pretty sure the students would be horrified. Flesh out the lesson plan by mixing up the cultures and genders; see what it does take to make students horrified. This actually could be a good 'teaching moment' to get students to think about what morality really is.
Posted by: Cathy at March 20, 2018 03:32 PM (3j/6R)
577
267
Not having done it in high-school, I read The Catcher in The Rye last year to see what the big deal was about. It didn't work.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 20, 2018 02:33 PM (kfcYC)
Perspective. It mattered when one was 16. A lot mattered when one was 16 that is meaningless now. It is called growing up. You read it after you grew up. So to you, it was meaningless. Makes perfect sense to me.
Not having done it in high-school, I read The Catcher in The Rye last year to see what the big deal was about. It didn't work.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 20, 2018 02:33 PM (kfcYC)
Perspective. It mattered when one was 16. A lot mattered when one was 16 that is meaningless now. It is called growing up. You read it after you grew up. So to you, it was meaningless. Makes perfect sense to me.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 03:34 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: Millenials at March 20, 2018 03:34 PM (UsCnO)
579
One correction, the lottery was not a "harvest-time event". It took
place on June 27th. This ritual was not explained as any kind of sacrifice. The story was terrifying precisely because nobody
remembered why the lottery started. They just kept on doing it year
after year out of blind, unquestioning tradition. 40 years later, I
still think about that story every time I wash dishes. It taught me to
always ask "why?" Perhaps teachers today are asking the wrong
questions.
place on June 27th. This ritual was not explained as any kind of sacrifice. The story was terrifying precisely because nobody
remembered why the lottery started. They just kept on doing it year
after year out of blind, unquestioning tradition. 40 years later, I
still think about that story every time I wash dishes. It taught me to
always ask "why?" Perhaps teachers today are asking the wrong
questions.
Posted by: HenryCameron at March 20, 2018 03:35 PM (wQJg1)
580
Didn't read that till college - course that was a couple more years than 30 ago...
Along with 'The machine stops' by E.M. Forster
Whenever I hear people say we shouldn't judge cultures, I like to trot out the Aztecs and ask if we should restore their country to them.
Along with 'The machine stops' by E.M. Forster
Whenever I hear people say we shouldn't judge cultures, I like to trot out the Aztecs and ask if we should restore their country to them.
Posted by: Damned Yankee at March 20, 2018 03:35 PM (37IEG)
581
579 One correction, the lottery was not a "harvest-time event". It took
place on June 27th. This ritual was not explained as any kind of sacrifice. The story was terrifying precisely because nobody
remembered why the lottery started. They just kept on doing it year
after year out of blind, unquestioning tradition. 40 years later, I
still think about that story every time I wash dishes. It taught me to
always ask "why?" Perhaps teachers today are asking the wrong
questions.
-----------------------
So like married sex?
place on June 27th. This ritual was not explained as any kind of sacrifice. The story was terrifying precisely because nobody
remembered why the lottery started. They just kept on doing it year
after year out of blind, unquestioning tradition. 40 years later, I
still think about that story every time I wash dishes. It taught me to
always ask "why?" Perhaps teachers today are asking the wrong
questions.
-----------------------
So like married sex?
Posted by: Gumby at March 20, 2018 03:36 PM (2LelM)
582
" I think this is partly a result of secularism: regarding humans as animals. Mice and fish sometimes eat their young. Male lions kill the cubs of other males when they take over a pride. Chimps have no pity for their old or infirm and will beat them to death in competition for food. "
---------
Yanomami tribes of the Amazon have the same practices yurt our betters are all for keeping them in their natural state. I say de-savage them as soon as possible.
The very word savage is a judgement on such behavior and customs.
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Yanomami tribes of the Amazon have the same practices yurt our betters are all for keeping them in their natural state. I say de-savage them as soon as possible.
The very word savage is a judgement on such behavior and customs.
Posted by: Decaf at March 20, 2018 03:37 PM (/3+Sg)
583
"those that live in a life of moral relativism have no idea what true evil can be, and are more easily lured into it without realizing it."
---------
Until they lose someone they love.
---------
Until they lose someone they love.
Posted by: Decaf at March 20, 2018 03:41 PM (/3+Sg)
584
True. Yet, teachers seem incapable of teaching that. How the
things we take are universal beliefs, are not. And how differently
Eastern Civilization is and why. About the Enlightment too...that the
East didn't go thru. And the inherent dangers to our way of life.
Our schools suck.
========
The State does not allow teachers to teach morality, only relativism. Nothing is truly evil, and nothing is truly good.
How in the hell can anyone expect a kid to be moral if the kid is never exposed to actual, honest to God morality?
True. Yet, teachers seem incapable of teaching that. How the
things we take are universal beliefs, are not. And how differently
Eastern Civilization is and why. About the Enlightment too...that the
East didn't go thru. And the inherent dangers to our way of life.
Our schools suck.
========
The State does not allow teachers to teach morality, only relativism. Nothing is truly evil, and nothing is truly good.
How in the hell can anyone expect a kid to be moral if the kid is never exposed to actual, honest to God morality?
Posted by: Millenials at March 20, 2018 03:42 PM (UsCnO)
585
I'm sure it's been pointed out already up thread, but Ms. Hauggard's story isn't even recent. She was encountering this POV back in the 90s. It's only gotten worse in the 30 years since her anecdote, and has spread from the "left coast" to every major, minor, community and ivy league college across the fruited plain.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at March 20, 2018 03:47 PM (rP4OC)
586
I'd be bitching about all these mentions of God in schools and separation of church and state, but I have to go do my afternoon prayer thing.
Posted by: Damned Yankee at March 20, 2018 03:47 PM (37IEG)
587
political correctness has achieved it's goal of raising a generation of moral monsters who only know what to be outraged about when they are told to be outraged by it.
Posted by: Shoey at March 20, 2018 03:49 PM (bBE6d)
588
Have people really never heard of "The Lottery?" I thought it was pretty ubiquitous in middle/high school curricula. It certainly was for MY high school, and I graduated back in 1998.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at March 20, 2018 03:49 PM (rP4OC)
589
"The bigger the hair, the closer to God."
Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at March 20, 2018 03:19 PM
Amen.
Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at March 20, 2018 03:19 PM
Amen.
Posted by: Winona Ryder & Demi Moore at March 20, 2018 03:56 PM (ctuyM)
590
Lottery in June, corn be heavy soon.
"Some places have already quit lotteries." Mrs. Adams said.
Because so much of the ritual had been forgotten or discarded, Mr. Summers had been successful in having slips of paper substituted for the chips of wood that had been used for generations.
"Some places have already quit lotteries." Mrs. Adams said.
Because so much of the ritual had been forgotten or discarded, Mr. Summers had been successful in having slips of paper substituted for the chips of wood that had been used for generations.
Posted by: dDan at March 20, 2018 03:59 PM (hwYmz)
591
I'm surprised the short story is still in the literary anthologies for public schools. I taught it long ago, and the shock value really worked well then. The last few lit books we used didn't have the selection anymore. So glad I got to teach when we were allowed to teach independent thinking, back when liberal arts really meant what the word liberal means.
Posted by: jazzuscounty at March 20, 2018 04:00 PM (kzmOH)
592
Read the Lottery in the 7th grade. I considered it a horror story.
Posted by: Soona at March 20, 2018 04:01 PM (Fs5vw)
593
>>>545
I am surprised. I thought Margaret Atwood was a leftist moonbat, and it was about Teh Christchenzz
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 03:15 PM (ujg0T)
_________
She ret-conned it to that when she realized there was better money to be made bashing Christians
I am surprised. I thought Margaret Atwood was a leftist moonbat, and it was about Teh Christchenzz
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 03:15 PM (ujg0T)
_________
She ret-conned it to that when she realized there was better money to be made bashing Christians
Posted by: Spooky Pikachu at March 20, 2018 04:03 PM (4YjNb)
594
Ms. Haugaard is shocked, SHOCKED I say, at the moral ambivalence of her students. But I'd be interested to know if her response to killing a baby in the womb is, "Who am I to judge?"
Posted by: bradc at March 20, 2018 04:04 PM (q7jW2)
595
"Read the Lottery in the 7th grade. I considered it a horror story."
as any sane person would, Academia is no longer in the business of raising sane, reasonable people.
as any sane person would, Academia is no longer in the business of raising sane, reasonable people.
Posted by: Shoey at March 20, 2018 04:05 PM (bBE6d)
596
I'm amazed that 50 years ago, reading this story in junior high school, it was a clear and obvious lesson in the difference between what is fair and what is right.
The main point being driven home by person being stoned, saying as their last words: "It isn't fair, it isn't right."
Kind of a dead giveaway right there what the theme of the story is.
However, in the past half century, social justice warriors have bent the meaning to try showing how communities scapegoat individuals to cleanse their collective sins.
Bullshit.
The stoning aspect was purely for shock value, to make the story crystal clear in it's messaging. The lottery was absolutely fair. The townspeople took great care to maintain the integrity of its preparations and avoid event he appearance of bias.
But it wasn't right.
In the 60's, people pointed to a new program designed to make college admission more available to blacks. It touted how much more "fair" things would be.
But it wasn't right.
There are multiple examples of things every day that people can point to where to make them "fair", they wouldn't be right.
Communism, in it's purest sense, appeals to society's sense of fairness. What could be more fair than the government owning everything and distributing based on need?
But it isn't right.
50 years ago, we knew how to take the central theme of a short story for what it was.
The main point being driven home by person being stoned, saying as their last words: "It isn't fair, it isn't right."
Kind of a dead giveaway right there what the theme of the story is.
However, in the past half century, social justice warriors have bent the meaning to try showing how communities scapegoat individuals to cleanse their collective sins.
Bullshit.
The stoning aspect was purely for shock value, to make the story crystal clear in it's messaging. The lottery was absolutely fair. The townspeople took great care to maintain the integrity of its preparations and avoid event he appearance of bias.
But it wasn't right.
In the 60's, people pointed to a new program designed to make college admission more available to blacks. It touted how much more "fair" things would be.
But it wasn't right.
There are multiple examples of things every day that people can point to where to make them "fair", they wouldn't be right.
Communism, in it's purest sense, appeals to society's sense of fairness. What could be more fair than the government owning everything and distributing based on need?
But it isn't right.
50 years ago, we knew how to take the central theme of a short story for what it was.
Posted by: Jwest at March 20, 2018 04:18 PM (/roJx)
597
I remember reading that in high school, and to the one claiming to have been taught not to judge, when it involves human sacrifice, judge away. I wonder what they'd think of H G Wells' Time Machine. Or the classic Star Trek episode, A Taste of Armageddon.
Posted by: DaveM at March 20, 2018 04:21 PM (WWC3Y)
598
but comrade Jwest, right and wrong are just constructs of the White, Male Patriarchy.
Posted by: Shoey at March 20, 2018 04:32 PM (bBE6d)
599
I think I read The Lottery when I was either a freshman or a sophomore in high school back in the Dark Ages. To me, the ending was like a slap in the head. The start of the story was so normal -- a small town farming community preparing for the spring planting season. Then boom! The horror of the stoning and the total acceptance by all parties that it was necessary for the community to survive. No one stoning the woman bore any malice toward her; it was simply the way things had always been done.
I don't think I've ever thought of The Lottery as some sort of metaphor or containing a hidden meaning. I've always interpreted it as an extremely well executed short story by a talented and skilled writer. But then, when I read it, dystopian literature was an every day occurance. John Hersey's White Lotus, Whatzisname's Canticle For Leibowitz, a bunch of others. Science fiction, as distinguished from fantasy, was particularly dark those days, too.
Don't mistake me: Those kids uncritically accepting the end of the story bothers me. Has our culture become so coarsened that our kids cannot recognize an evil when they see it? I'd like to think my kids and grandkids would be able to say that killing the woman was bad.
I don't think I've ever thought of The Lottery as some sort of metaphor or containing a hidden meaning. I've always interpreted it as an extremely well executed short story by a talented and skilled writer. But then, when I read it, dystopian literature was an every day occurance. John Hersey's White Lotus, Whatzisname's Canticle For Leibowitz, a bunch of others. Science fiction, as distinguished from fantasy, was particularly dark those days, too.
Don't mistake me: Those kids uncritically accepting the end of the story bothers me. Has our culture become so coarsened that our kids cannot recognize an evil when they see it? I'd like to think my kids and grandkids would be able to say that killing the woman was bad.
Posted by: Deplorable Lady with Only Two Deplorable Cats at March 20, 2018 04:44 PM (FDGIm)
600
You miss the point. The students are "non-judgmental" because they've been very effectively taught that you'd better not be on the wrong side of something like this and that there are no set rules in place to know which side is the "approved" side. You have to wait for your teachers or others in leadership positions to tell you where to line up. Thinking on your own is dangerous. This is the truly scary part.
Posted by: KK at March 20, 2018 04:53 PM (DCJV7)
601
I have not read "The Lottery", but the books that really helped me understand totalitarianism were:
The Gulag Archipelago
Animal Farm
1984
To Kill you is No Loss
The Diary of Anne Franke
There were others later, but those are ones I read during high school and early college. "To Kill You..." was I believe during my first year of work after graduating from college.
This depressing degeneration or 'slouching towards Gomorrah' I've watched for almost 35 years and the acceleration to madness is only going faster.
I have not read "The Lottery", but the books that really helped me understand totalitarianism were:
The Gulag Archipelago
Animal Farm
1984
To Kill you is No Loss
The Diary of Anne Franke
There were others later, but those are ones I read during high school and early college. "To Kill You..." was I believe during my first year of work after graduating from college.
This depressing degeneration or 'slouching towards Gomorrah' I've watched for almost 35 years and the acceleration to madness is only going faster.
Posted by: Sapwolf at March 20, 2018 05:37 PM (cuot+)
602
You thought Millennials were bad...
Posted by: Muns at March 20, 2018 05:43 PM (fO+6C)
603
As a certain LibPope said, "Who am I to judge?"
Posted by: WannabeAnglican at March 20, 2018 07:20 PM (0qiZp)
604
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ... I know not what to make of a republic of 30 million atheists."
Posted by: John Adams, Qualified Lesbian at March 20, 2018 08:11 PM (Ndje9)
605
I never heard of The Lottery; I guess it's not as popular as Shirley Jackson's other creation, The Name Game.
What's your name, son? Tucker? All right, everyone; let's do Tucker!
Tucker, Tucker, mo-mucker,
banana-fana-fo-fuh...
Hey! That's not nice, kid!
What's your name, son? Tucker? All right, everyone; let's do Tucker!
Tucker, Tucker, mo-mucker,
banana-fana-fo-fuh...
Hey! That's not nice, kid!
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Keyboard Cossack at March 20, 2018 08:16 PM (wSC8T)
606
There is bride burning in India, sati or suttee. The bride is burned to death after the husband dies. The British tolerated it for a long time so does that make the British evil? We tolerate man boy sex in Afghanistan, don't hear much about that. "It's none of our business" is actually a perfectly OK response.
Posted by: bjstuggzzz at March 21, 2018 02:02 AM (e44Qj)
607
I don't see the big deal, the students reactions logically lead to cultural segregation.
Posted by: Yawning at March 21, 2018 11:12 AM (2SFbp)
608
Whsts the big deal, their friend Mohammed and his cousin Mohammed did it to their Aunt Mohammed!
And who are we to judge?
Congratulations, Miss Armstrong-OReilly-Chan-Klopstein! You can retire now!
And who are we to judge?
Congratulations, Miss Armstrong-OReilly-Chan-Klopstein! You can retire now!
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