Trump's Basic Instincts About the Political War Are Essentially Right, and The Establishment's Sense of It Is Essentially Wrong

Very good piece by Joe Katzman for the Daily Caller.

Short version: The right attempts political persuasion. The left, on the other hand, attempts social persuasion -- basically seizing the commanding heights of culture-making institutions and then deciding that espousing some political claims (being pro-gay-marriage) increase social status and that espousing other political claims (being against gay marriage) decrease social status and, indeed, make one a social pariah, fit for ostracism, mass mockery, and internal exile.

The left's method works much better than the right's. It always has and it always will. Because most people don't care about politics all that much -- but nearly everyone (except for the crankiest of contrarians, including some of the current assembled company) cares about their social status.

Having higher social status gets you invites to the Cocktail Party Circuit, which is a real thing, defined broadly (and metaphorically) enough. It makes you datable, it makes you "clubbable," as the old term went.

It can get you promoted at work, particularly if the sort of job you do is a bit vague as far as definite, tangible outputs and thus advancement depends more on how upper management feels about you.

While the left wing continues winning arguments by not even having arguments at all, instead simply demonizing those who espouse any contrary position, the #SmartSet (citation required) of the establishment right continues believing, apparently earnestly and definitely ridiculously, that if they just out argue their political competitors, they'll change minds.

They won't. Or not enough to actually matter. Because most people don't really care enough about these issues to really engage with them on an intellectual level; they just want to know what to claim to believe so that other people won't think they're weird, and deem them unfriendable, undatable, and poor candidates for promotion inside The Corporation.

Trump's manner of engaging with The Blob of left-wing virtue-signalling and status-conferring is to attempt to degrade the left wing cultural Borg of its own social status, thereby reducing its ability to set tastes, serve as "gatekeepers" of what the right-minded people agree are proper attitudes and beliefs, and demonize dissenters.

This is often ugly -- but that's how the sausage gets made. It does not matter if you produce a well-researched and well-cited bit of argument as to your position if the cultural princelings of the left can simply say "You're a Nazi and you hate women" and thereby, with seven stupid words, raze not only your argument but your entire claim to basic human dignity.

The only way to rob them of that ability is to reduce their own social status to a low level. You cannot confer or reduce social status unless you yourself have a great deal of it.

There's another aspect to this as well: Part of the reason some on the "Reputable Right" continue to act as confirmatory agents of the cultural left's social status. That is, they themselves act as if the cultural left's doyennes are indeed owed deference and do in fact possess high status, and do indeed therefore enjoy the lordly privilege of elevating, or degrading, the social status of those lower in the social hierarchy.

It is, of course, an age-old right of the nobility to confer (lesser) noble status on a commoner -- raising him to a baronet, say -- or to strip a lower-ranking noble of his status.

The establishment right/the self-claimed #SmartSet continues to act as if the cultural left has this lordly power because the lords of the left return the favor in a small way, permitting those on the nominal right who salute the flag of the left to at least attend their courts and hold on to the meager privileges of very low-level nobility.

They're sub-nobles, but at least the lords have recognized their superiority over the commoners and peasants.

Thus, this is a relationship that benefits both the Lords of the Left and its minor courtiers of the right: The minor courtiers of the right reify and confirm the exalted position of the Lords of the Left, while the Lords of the Left confer a small amount of social status on the establishment/liberal-leaning/#SmartSet right. Not a lot of social status, of course-- just enough to say they're better than the rest of the riff-raff.

Just enough that the petty nobles of the subjugated right can call themselves "respectable" in their Lords' eyes.

There is only one way to change this entirely-unacceptable arrangement: that is for the right to greatly increase the social status of at least some cadres of the right, so that some members of the right will themselves have the lordly power to raise and reduce social status.

But that seems almost impossible, and, furthermore, I don't think the right can really agree on which cadre to elevate to lordly status. And of course no one has more social status than the majority of the public agrees they have; who would be convinced if tomorrow most of the right-wing agreed mutually that, say, Brit Hume ought to be considered a National Lord?

The other alternative is, of course, to destroy (or degrade) the social status of the Lords of the Left. That's also hard, but it's easier to destroy than to create.

This involves a lot of base mockery and ridicule, something that the petty nobles of the liberal-leaning nominal right find horrifying when a right-winger does it, but don't seem to notice or at least care that their masters, the Lords of the Left, do nothing but this.

As they do it to other members of the right, not the eager courtiers seeking the blessings of the Lords of the Left, the petty nobility of the right permits it, and even engages in it themselves, to further ingratiate themselves with the courtly class.

The hell with that. It's time for pitchforks and torches.

A shorter way to say this is just to quote Andrew Breitbart: "Politics is downstream of culture."

Breitbart attempted that -- he did not act like a Pet Petty Noble for the true ruling class; rather, he challenged them and humiliated them -- and for that he was savaged by the defenders of the Lords of the Left, like David Frum, who just wouldn't know what to do with himself if the ruling class withdrew his "tolerated" status from him.

Posted by: Ace at 07:21 PM

Comments

(Jump to bottom of comments)

1 >>>It's time for pitchforks

i have a spare i can loan you

Posted by: concrete girl at January 17, 2018 07:22 PM (C6eZV)

2 I will summon teh ovvers...

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 07:23 PM (fA1SL)

3 Trump's threat of Fake News Awards would fit the bill quite nicely.

Posted by: Jmel at January 17, 2018 07:24 PM (l9Pyc)

4 I have a couple buckets of tar around here somewhere to donate.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 17, 2018 07:24 PM (FTlwv)

5 Ovvers summoned. Probably groggy from all the Welsh rabbit.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 07:24 PM (fA1SL)

6 This must have been some Movie.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2018 07:25 PM (OyjiK)

7 6. You're soaking in it.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 07:25 PM (fA1SL)

8 Don't remember seeing trailers for that.

Posted by: Confucius at January 17, 2018 07:26 PM (vDqXW)

9 Dang, I'll need popcorn for this movie.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 07:26 PM (cW490)

10 Trump just wanted to get "Fake News Awards" trending.

He's somewhere washing some KFC down with a Diet Coke and laughing his two-ton balls off.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:27 PM (ul9CR)

11 wow, top 20 AND I read the post, too.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 17, 2018 07:27 PM (F5+ro)

12 Here we go again in Toronto. Another day of hijab attacks in the Naked City. (Despite the updated cops' tweet.)
https://twitter.com/TPSOperations/status/953727083930406918

Posted by: andycanuck at January 17, 2018 07:27 PM (QCX64)

13 I'm cute and clubbable.

Posted by: Baby seal at January 17, 2018 07:27 PM (IqV8l)

14 In the time it takes to read this post, IKEA will make 3 Shelves for every person in America.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2018 07:27 PM (OyjiK)

15 Well, RightWing News is going out of business because they say Facebook is choking off their visibility and shares.

We've got the Executive Branch. We need to get vengeful about these companies getting froggy with the public discourse.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 17, 2018 07:28 PM (oVJmc)

16 Yup. You have to tell people that if the government pays for your healthcare and education, that makes them a member of the welfare class and they are to be scorned.

Jon Stewart not only narrowed the realm of political discourse, he told a generation of young working class people that it is OK to be on welfare. And they're voting accordingly.

And, increasingly, not working that much...

Posted by: Oschisms at January 17, 2018 07:28 PM (Y/y3J)

17 So it really is all mimosas and horse breeding after all? The hell with pitchforks where is my rifle?

Posted by: Archer at January 17, 2018 07:28 PM (KFf4Y)

18 President Trump simply applies logic, common sense and brass balls to a body politic which has been in need of all three since 1980. No blue bloods need apply.

Plus he has real world street cred.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2018 07:28 PM (EoRCO)

19 "Clubbable", like Jim Acosta?

Posted by: OCBill at January 17, 2018 07:29 PM (df+Zi)

20 I like that Corey Keyandpeele Booker guy!

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 17, 2018 07:29 PM (bc2Lc)

21 Trump's manner of engaging with The Blob of left-wing virtue-signalling and status-conferring is to attempt to degrade the left wing cultural Borg of its own social status,...

ATTEMPT???

Posted by: Two-Scoops at January 17, 2018 07:29 PM (CNm1v)

22 Moar phoney-baloney hijab-grabbing?

I ain't got time for the hijibba-jabba.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:29 PM (ul9CR)

23 You mean when comparing Trump's Make America Great to the Democrats' and their lackeys in the media's Make America a Shithole, Trump's slogan is better?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 17, 2018 07:29 PM (+y/Ru)

24 Trump sez mean things.

*facepalm*

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:30 PM (g4lFK)

25 it is an interesting time to be alive

Posted by: Bored383 at January 17, 2018 07:30 PM (70HTk)

26 Been saying a long time its a civil ( if just a cold for now ) war

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2018 07:30 PM (aC6Sd)

27 Jim "baby seal" Acosta?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 17, 2018 07:30 PM (7LY+6)

28 >> like David Frum, who just wouldn't know what to do with himself if the ruling class withdrew his "tolerated" status from him.

To be fair to David Frum, those Cocktail and Dinner Parties serve those Bite Sized Balls of Butter.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2018 07:30 PM (OyjiK)

29 One of the things that tuned me into the deep, deep rot of the establishment right is that as the left got more and more unhinged, did more and more unspeakable things...and kept winning...was that the GOPers doubled down on the "fight like a gentleman crap".

If you had asked a David Brooks in the year 2000, is it possible in 20 years that not only would gay marriage be a right, but that the government would be forcing people to participate in these abominations, he would have called you crazy and said something along the lines of "Americans would never stand for the government doing that."

And yet here we are...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2018 07:30 PM (Z8FFX)

30 This is why I come here.

Teh ace.

Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2018 07:31 PM (+lOpA)

31
No point wasting Christian kisses on a heathen idol's foot. To do things to gain approval is a fool's errand. Set your own standards, live up to them and treat these poseurs with the contempt they deserve.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 07:31 PM (g+uc5)

32 Harrumph!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at January 17, 2018 07:31 PM (ks6bw)

33 Unfortunately, I don't expect Republican politicians to scorn America's welfare class.

And I'm too angry at them to write good jokes about them. Maybe if I had steady work, I could do it.

Posted by: Oschisms at January 17, 2018 07:31 PM (Y/y3J)

34 I don't think the right can really agree on which cadre to elevate to lordly status.
---
I nominate me.

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 07:31 PM (vDqXW)

35 I don't have a pitchfork, would a pruning hook be acceptable?

Posted by: rd at January 17, 2018 07:31 PM (4dz1m)

36 Great analysis and essay, Ace.

First thing that came to mind was that scene in Braveheart:

"You're so concerned with squabbling for
the scraps from Longshank's table that you've missed your God given
right to something better."

Posted by: ShainS at January 17, 2018 07:32 PM (BiLU+)

37 Oh noes! Trump marketed the phrase FakeNews and other countries are using it.

Billionaire branding King is the best at branding.

goodness

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:32 PM (g4lFK)

38 Breitbart, like Tammy Bruce, used to be on the left and understood every fucking one of their underhanded tactics unlike the Ward Cleaver Republicans and dipshits like Rove. DJT was surely observing the likes of Mutt Rombley and the Bush family trying to be just a little to the right of the donks and thought "there are a lot of people being sold out that need someone to fight for them".

In the words of Gus McCrae, we put our faith in some strange containers.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2018 07:32 PM (y7DUB)

39 Best thing out of the shithole coup was I learned a new noun. Apparently denizens of a shithole are known as "shitholians"! LOL!

Posted by: keena at January 17, 2018 07:32 PM (RiTnx)

40 I agree... pitchforks and torch time... this is not the Age of Gentility..... and the other side is not Civil..... to steal from Tolkien... "if we do nothing, there won't be a Shire to go back to"......

Posted by: kraken at January 17, 2018 07:32 PM (zSVEm)

41 Damn, I thought that would come at most five posts after my first.

Posted by: Oschisms at January 17, 2018 07:32 PM (Y/y3J)

42 It's hard to risk being unpopular.

Fuck that. I'd rather live in a semi-sane world than take the blue pill.

Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2018 07:32 PM (+lOpA)

43 When John Boner got caught on tape childishly mocking his party's own base over immigration-that was a real turning point for me.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:33 PM (ul9CR)

44 Or is it Red pill. Can't remember.

Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2018 07:33 PM (+lOpA)

45 Andrew Breitbart would be having the time of his life right now. G-d, I miss him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2018 07:33 PM (ptqGC)

46 ''Ovvers summoned. Probably groggy from all the Welsh rabbit.''

Re the Welsh Rarebit; Stouffers has a decent frozen version if you want to give it a try without the effort of making it yourself. I always keep one in the freezer for a quick dinner if I don't feel like cooking. Add some nice crispy bacon and a salad as sides and you've got a fairly decent dinner.

Posted by: Tuna at January 17, 2018 07:33 PM (jm1YL)

47 I recently started rereading The Prince, it's amazing to think he wrote 500 years ago. You'd think Machiavelli was lurking here. From chapter 6:
"It should be borne in mine that there is nothing more difficult to manage, or more doubtful of success, or more dangerous to handle than to take the lead in introducing a new order of things. For the innovator has enemies in all those who are doing well under the old order, and he has only lukewarm defenders in all those who would do well under the new order."
Tell me that doesn't describe our current situation.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 17, 2018 07:33 PM (5wCUq)

48 Seriously, someone here, you know, someone with juice, needs to make sure Trump is reading the articles and the comments here. He needs to know someone has his back and is on his side. May even give him one or two good suggestions.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:33 PM (MTjB1)

49 So we liked the movie Ace?

No seriously, nice piece and dead on.

Trump can fight the left because he successfully navigated the left in a way I never would be able to.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2018 07:33 PM (SzZnW)

50
I'm losing status at the high school
I used to think that it was my school
Wah, wah, wah, wah

Posted by: Status Back Baby at January 17, 2018 07:34 PM (UdKB7)

51 Jeff Flake: sub-noble gas.

John McCain: sub-noble ass.

Posted by: ShainS at January 17, 2018 07:34 PM (BiLU+)

52 ''Andrew Breitbart would be having the time of his life right now. G-d, I miss him.''

I was thinking that myself the other day. He was fearless.

Posted by: Tuna at January 17, 2018 07:34 PM (jm1YL)

53
Toast makes every meal better.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 07:34 PM (g+uc5)

54 #NeverTrump is looking at the
#voted GOP but not Trump vs. #voted Trump but not GOP and expecting the former to outgrow the latter. This does not seem likely.

Posted by: NotMichaelBarone at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (FhXTo)

55 Erin may lurk here. She cracked when she said Dr. Sanjay will be here!

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (g4lFK)

56 High school spirit's at an all time low

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (IqV8l)

57 I read the Katzman article earlier, and nothing probably illustrates the futility of the practice of punching right than the scenario in that article.

Yeah, gain some incremental status for yourself, while distancing yourself from the people you agree are crazy to your right. That's done nothing to counter the left's momentum.

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (vDqXW)

58 Remember when sipping from the Cup of Your Enemies Tears, to extend your pinkie finger finger, you barbaric deplorables.

Posted by: rd at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (4dz1m)

59 The other alternative is, of course, to destroy (or degrade) the social status of the Lords of the Left. That's also hard, but it's easier to destroy than to create.

Leftists are definitely better at destroying than creating, so I have no problem with taking the fight to them on their own terms.

Good post, ace.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (sdi6R)

60 yeah, none of the losers in the gope ever had any status in hs. chess club may be fun but hardly anyone in chess club got laid before they finished their masters.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (MTjB1)

61 31
No point wasting Christian kisses on a heathen idol's foot. To do things to gain approval is a fool's errand. Set your own standards, live up to them and treat these poseurs with the contempt they deserve.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 07:31 PM (g+uc5)

H

Posted by: jsg at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (0gGpe)

62 -
I am a wart on the right butt cheek of the left.
But I am their FAVORITE wart on their right butt cheek. So, suck it, peons!

Posted by: Lil Billy Kristol at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (RVcmP)

63 Hear hear, dammit

Posted by: jsg at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (0gGpe)

64 So grateful we got the "short version."

Posted by: Peaches at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (14URa)

65 it makes you "clubbable," as the old term went.

The left is certainly clubbable ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (8gDQu)

66 Poor husband just arrived back home after trying for the third time in two days to fly to Arkansas on a major business trip.

Fortunately, we have leftover meatloaf.

And Fox showing the Rapist lying to us over Monica again. Millennials need to see this and have some knowledge put to them.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (ptqGC)

67 I maybe missing something, but... I pay attention to who is NOT ripping Trump.. Not hearing organized labor, the trades, or the infrastructure industries and their spinoffs going after him......

Posted by: kraken at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (zSVEm)

68 I don't think the right can really agree on which cadre to elevate to lordly status.
***
Because the elements of the right actually have ideals and beliefs. And also, our leaders are generally self absorbed, short sighted pricks.

The left can almost always get behind any random clown of any leftwing faction, because the only question is who gets more of the loot from the treasury.

Look at say a Roy Moore. The guy is clearly affiliated with the "Religious Right". But there is also no serious question that he would have advanced the cause of every serious faction of the right...yes even the Libertarians.

But we had idiots running around screaming the sky was failing if he got elected...and not just because of the sex hoax. Idiots at least nominally on the right thought Roy Moore could individually ban condoms or stupid crap like that.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (Z8FFX)

69 jeff flake is a base metal

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (MTjB1)

70 Breitbart's book RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION was so good. Damn shame he didn't live to write more.

Before I read it I had no idea all these guys-Breitbart, Drudge, Gutfeld etc. all knew each other online back when they were all nobodies. Imagine getting Drudge's original e-mail newsletter. Man.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (ul9CR)

71 >>>Breitbart, like Tammy Bruce, used to be on the left

I don't think he was on the left. He explained this to me and what he really was was one of those people I'm describing, people who don't really follow politics much or care about it all that much, but do wish to know what they should say or believe to be considered "respectable" and datable.

Most people get their 'politics" in this way. They don't have genuine convictions; they just imitate what they see others doing.

Many people do this in all facets of their lives that they don't care that much about. If you don't care about something and therefore haven't read up on it, you'll just do what most people do.

I know that when I've gone through some bureaucratic process, like buying auto insurance, and I'm asked which of three options I want, I will frequently just ask: "What do MOST PEOPLE do?!"

The power to establish what "most people" do -- people who don't really care enough to form their own independent opinions -- is immense.

Posted by: ace at January 17, 2018 07:37 PM (8rNrN)

72 No point wasting Christian kisses on a heathen idol's foot.

-
Whachu talking about?

- Jeff "Pearls Before Swine" Flake

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 17, 2018 07:37 PM (+y/Ru)

73 Excellent piece Ace.

Spot on.

Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at January 17, 2018 07:37 PM (T71PA)

74 When John Boner got caught on tape childishly mocking his party's own base over immigration-that was a real turning point for me.

-

There's been a lot of those post tea party moments.

John McCain complaining about Hobbits without understanding yes, exactly. Normal, small, unassuming people are standing up to ask that the important people and esteemed leaders of the world help us get this ring to that volcano...

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at January 17, 2018 07:37 PM (ks6bw)

75 Just enough that the petty nobles of the subjugated right can call themselves "respectable" in their Lords' eyes.

- Ace

-------------

Nailed it Bro!

Repeat this over and over.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:37 PM (g4lFK)

76 If Andrew Breitbart was still with us, it would be the Trolling of the Century if PDT had him enter the press room, on roller skates (remember his skates?) and handle the press whores.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2018 07:37 PM (ptqGC)

77

It was twenty years ago today
Ms. Lewinski taught the press to play
She's been going in an out of style
But she's guaranteed to raise a smile

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2018 07:38 PM (IqV8l)

78 Reagan: the Great Communicator.

Trump: the Great Humiliator.

Posted by: ShainS at January 17, 2018 07:38 PM (BiLU+)

79 kraken spot on, I had noticed that with the unions.

That fat criminal fk Trumka sure keeps a low profile since the election.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:38 PM (ul9CR)

80 When John Boner got caught on tape childishly mocking his party's own base over immigration-that was a real turning point for me.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:33 PM (ul9CR)

After Dudley Do-Right Willard inevitably lost a very winnable race in 2012, the GOP held a retreat (how fitting) on the eastern shore of Maryland and returned announcing that immigration reform was how to win going forward. I wanted them all destroyed.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2018 07:38 PM (y7DUB)

81 Most people get their 'politics" in this way. They don't have genuine convictions; they just imitate what they see others doing.

Many people do this in all facets of their lives that they don't care that much about. If you don't care about something and therefore haven't read up on it, you'll just do what most people do.

I know that when I've gone through some bureaucratic process, like buying auto insurance, and I'm asked which of three options I want, I will frequently just ask: "What do MOST PEOPLE do?!"

The power to establish what "most people" do -- people who don't really care enough to form their own independent opinions -- is immense.

Posted by: ace at January

yep.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:38 PM (MTjB1)

82 Just enough that the petty nobles of the subjugated right can call themselves "respectable" in their Lords' eyes.

*straightens Armani tie with a 'huff!'*

Posted by: Bill Kristol at January 17, 2018 07:38 PM (oVJmc)

83 I recently started rereading The Prince, it's amazing to think he wrote 500 years ago.
***
Because medieval philosophy, let alone renascence philosophy was generally more advanced then our own.

You can generally learn more about anything permanent, like the human condition, by ready an author from 500 years ago then you can from one today.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2018 07:39 PM (Z8FFX)

84 I miss Andrew. Bigly. I can't believe it's been almost 6 years now. Hope he's somewhere he can watch the show and have some popcorn.

Posted by: Peaches at January 17, 2018 07:39 PM (14URa)

85
Shorter version.
The left engages in Honey Badger politics.
They don't give a shit how many times they get stung just as long as they get to honey.
Power and money.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 17, 2018 07:39 PM (t6XCL)

86 Oh Yeah. Being a progressive definitely makes you more "clubbable" as far as the folks I run with. IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: cfo mom at January 17, 2018 07:39 PM (RfzVr)

87 Look at say a Roy Moore. The guy is clearly affiliated with the "Religious Right". But there is also no serious question that he would have advanced the cause of every serious faction of the right...yes even the Libertarians.

But we had idiots running around screaming the sky was failing if he got elected...and not just because of the sex hoax. Idiots at least nominally on the right thought Roy Moore could individually ban condoms or stupid crap like that.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (Z8FFX)
---
This and this again.

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 07:39 PM (vDqXW)

88 I was for Trump early on. It was either him or Carson. "Outsiders" plus "screw the GOPe."

Being a cynic, the best I hoped for was "Supreme Court Justices."

But damn.

Tell me the Hand of God is not working through this unlikely man.

Posted by: shibumi at January 17, 2018 07:39 PM (aT+Bx)

89 I recently started rereading The Prince, it's amazing to think he wrote 500 years ago.
***
Because medieval philosophy, let alone renascence philosophy was generally more advanced then our own.

You can generally learn more about anything permanent, like the human condition, by ready an author from 500 years ago then you can from one today.
Posted by: 18-1 at January

well, the problem with writing new philosophy is that the key points were figured out long ago. not much new to write about, when you embrace logic and reason.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:40 PM (MTjB1)

90 Reagan made fun of the left and changed the culture. Joe Schmoe wants to make fun of the progressive Prius types, but his livelihood depends on going with the crowd. A leader like Reagan or Trump can make mockery cool. If Trump wins a second term, we may have found another Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Obama hates You! at January 17, 2018 07:40 PM (2S0F4)

91 Add to that: We are in a situation in which people who generally do not give shits for what other people think in general (e.g. myself) are "right wing", simply because I don't like being told how to think and what to do.

We are a LOOONG fucking way from 1955, sparky.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 07:40 PM (CPk08)

92 What time are the Fake News Awards?

Rush had a piece on this today, it was about Absolute Truth.

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (/01mw)

93 Jonah Goldberg, who wrote the book on Liberal Fascism (literally), sure seems comfortable in his new role as Taint Licker To The Left.

I last read one of his columns well over a year ago; in it, he claimed he 'has paid a heavy price for muh principles'; ie no one is reading his drivel any more.

But I imagine him at the toniest cocktail party, allowed limited privileges to hunt thru the champagne glasses for leftover dregs, and half eaten canapes.

*waves at Jonah*

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (0ogQG)

94 Non- Christians holding Christians to the standards of Christ. Why do Christians fall for this foolishness?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (g4lFK)

95 Prager at the top of his show was looking at the conservative intelligentsia and the amount of #Nevers, having no reason to be against President Trump when it comes to conservatism.

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (aC6Sd)

96 Everyone should sleep with a copy of The Prince on their nightstand.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (MTjB1)

97 Well that's quite interesting. What we should be doing NOW is figuring out how to carry on with this after Trump is gone.

Because there is a expiration date and we need to be prepared and we need to start now.

I just hope that somewhere someone can pick up the torch and carry it after Trump.

And why can't we get an actual conservative network or a conservative national paper going?

Instead of donating all their money to politicians, some on the right could put some money in a few communication outlets so the right could have a steady voice.

Start now while the stock in conservativism is high so as to build a following and maybe even some converts.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (RwBDG)

98 Isn't part of this plan what we're already doing, like with the NFL and cable? Hoping to starve it 'til it dies, because of it's unceasing attempts to impose their viewpoints on us?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (oVJmc)

99 15 Well, RightWing News is going out of business because they say Facebook is choking off their visibility and shares.

We've got the Executive Branch. We need to get vengeful about these companies getting froggy with the public discourse.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 17, 2018 07:28 PM (oVJmc)

I didn't get to read it, but I saw that the WSJ had a front page article about how much power the social media companies have, and that they're like Ma Bell in the 70s.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (sdi6R)

100 >>>98 Isn't part of this plan what we're already doing, like with the NFL and cable? Hoping to starve it 'til it dies, because of it's unceasing attempts to impose their viewpoints on us?

well yeah, but not enough are doing so. (Shit, I haven't even cut the cable yet -- I'm a massive hypocrite.)

Posted by: ace at January 17, 2018 07:42 PM (8rNrN)

101 _
--
Best thing out of the shithole coup was I learned a
new noun. Apparently denizens of a shithole are known as "shitholians"!
LOL!

Posted by: keena at January 17, 2018 07:32 PM

--------------------------------------------

Sir. I demand your presence upon the field of honor.

Posted by: Shitholier (than thou) at January 17, 2018 07:42 PM (RVcmP)

102 87 Look at say a Roy Moore. The guy is clearly affiliated with the "Religious Right". But there is also no serious question that he would have advanced the cause of every serious faction of the right...yes even the Libertarians.

But we had idiots running around screaming the sky was failing if he got elected...and not just because of the sex hoax. Idiots at least nominally on the right thought Roy Moore could individually ban condoms or stupid crap like that.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (Z8FFX)
---
This and this again.
Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 07:39 PM (vDqXW)

Amen!

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:42 PM (g4lFK)

103 I loved the part in his book where AB talked about the dawn of the internet age, settling in with a bucket of KFC and a 6-pack and firing up his primitive modem, and by the time he got a connection he was surrounded by empties and bones.

One of my brother was one of those proto-geeks and I so remember those days. He'd be sitting there for an hour and we'd be mocking him, going "Is your computer talking to another computer yet? Still no? How long does this shit take?"

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:42 PM (ul9CR)

104 well yeah, but not enough are doing so. (Shit, I haven't even cut the cable yet -- I'm a massive hypocrite.)
Posted by: ace at January

Get rid of cable, get a Roku and learn to make it work for you.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:43 PM (MTjB1)

105 Posted by: ace at January 17, 2018 07:37 PM (8rNrN)

Thank you for that response. I was only repeating what I thought I've heard her say before but I certainly believe your accounting of his story.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2018 07:43 PM (y7DUB)

106 Because medieval philosophy, let alone renascence philosophy was generally more advanced then our own.

I would (and have) argued the same about Arabic philosophy. Ibn Khaldun observed life at Islam's decline and had Stuff To Say about it.

The Arabs weren't necessarily more stupid than we were. They just had a stupid ideology - and, perhaps more so, a lot of tribalism. Ibn Khaldun worked around it.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 17, 2018 07:43 PM (6FqZa)

107 ''I know that when I've gone through some bureaucratic process, like buying auto insurance, and I'm asked which of three options I want, I will frequently just ask: "What do MOST PEOPLE do?!"

The power to establish what "most people" do -- people who don't really care enough to form their own independent opinions -- is immense. ''

You're right about that. I've done it more times than I care to mention.

Posted by: Tuna at January 17, 2018 07:43 PM (jm1YL)

108 There's only one way to defeat the lords and landed gentry; run their necks through guillotines and nooses and burn their mansions.

They won't be mocked out of status. They certainly won't leave quietly.

Posted by: 13times at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (WHVu+)

109 Someone should ask John McCain if he agrees that a more reasonable immigration policy for the Uruk-hai and the Haradrim would have resolved everything peacefully in Middle Earth

Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (Z8FFX)

110 93 Posted by: GnuBreed at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (0ogQG)

You can't spell "idiot" without the N-R-O....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (SzZnW)

111 So basically the best way to attack the Left is to point and laugh.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (hMwEB)

112
One of my brother was one of those proto-geeks and I so remember those days. He'd be sitting there for an hour and we'd be mocking him, going "Is your computer talking to another computer yet? Still no? How long does this shit take?"
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

Modem neutrality

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (IqV8l)

113 I loved when Breitbart answered the left's bullshit with "so?".

It's such an effective way to bitch slap idiocies away. But no Republican ever uses that technique.

Schumer: Oh my God all these dreamers will be deported?
So?

MSM: Oh my God, trump may be obese!!!
So?

SJW: I am triggered by your speech
So?

And so forth...

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (1JAxC)

114 >>>And why can't we get an actual conservative network or a conservative national paper going?

Instead of donating all their money to politicians, some on the right could put some money in a few communication outlets so the right could have a steady voice.

...

instapundit has been pushing this idea for years.

Some try it.

The Daily Caller is really getting more and more a must-read. With an investment in more reportage, who knows.

Posted by: ace at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (8rNrN)

115 when you embrace logic and reason
--

Yeah, that is so not going to happen.

/onward to our socialist utopia! It will work this time!

Posted by: Liberals Everywhere at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (aT+Bx)

116 It's not so much about losing social status as it is about losing your job or your ability to make a living. The left wins arguments not because they are better at ridicule but because they control the power to punish and destroy.

Trump's a billionaire now but he's been rich all his life. He has never had to worry about paying his mortgage or providing for his family. I know a few trust fund babies and they do whatever they want and say whatever they want because at the end of the day they don't really lose any social status and more importantly they don't lose anything economically.

I love what Trump is doing but I am also under no illusion that lots of what he is doing is because he doesn't really give a fuck, he and his family will never suffer, and the more the left tries to harm him the further right he moves, further than he has ever been in his life if for no other reason than to punch back. He has that freedom.

The more institutions that Trump destroys or at least neuters that have the power to harm the more we will see ordinary people speak out. We are out here, we put him in office over Hillary despite all odds but we did it mostly anonymously. Once the tipping point is reached where people are really free to speak their minds you will see a lot more people speaking out freely and loudly. Trump like.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (/tuJf)

117 I don't know if it's *instinct* that causes Trump to succeed as much as it is a Don't-Give-a-Fuck personality type that his opponents - and the left in particular - has yet to figure out. To that extent, Trump's been lucky in his enemies.

I routinely mock the Nine-Dimensional-Chutes-and-Ladders explanations for why Trump has succeeded. The truth is, he's not all that knowledgeable or crafty. He's not a strategic genius, whatever the guy who draws Dilbert thinks. He's actually really simple. But he wins because most of the left's typical weapons - which worked on every other Republican since the beginning of time - don't deal him any damage. And yet the left keeps swinging those weapons around anyway, eventually hitting themselves.

Trump just doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck about offending you. He doesn't give a fuck if he's right on the facts. He doesn't give a fuck if what he's saying now contradicts what he said five minutes ago and what he'll say five minutes from now. Zero fucks given.

When you don't give a fuck, the weapon of shaming has no effect on you. The left (and the #SalonHot25) tries to shame him with the rules of decorum, with "have you no decency, sir?" with Muh Principles. But the truth is that Trump doesn't have all that much decency. Or rather, he doesn't give a fuck about decency.

Trump can't be bullied by the left because he hits back at bullies, and their taunts don't motivate him. That's why he's different than every other Republican, and so effective: he refuses to play the game by the left's rigged rules.

There is, I suspect, a way to counter Trump on this. But The left hasn't figured this out. They just yell louder and louder and louder about how awful he is, what a racist he is, how he's bringing The Handmaid's Tale to life. The more they yell, the more ridiculous they sound. They're the ones who sound awful. The racism charge just doesn't stick. And no one actually thinks Trump wants women to cover up.

I've got a lot of problems with Trump, but the fact that he's breaking the rules isn't one of them. The rules are rigged.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 17, 2018 07:45 PM (xN1DB)

118 Trump is the most conservative President we have ever had, even more conservative than Reagan.

Regan allowed himself to be rolled on immigration and was bad on the 2nd amendment.

The sad thing is Trump is an abberation and outlier.

Once hes gone from the scene there is no one that can replace him.

War is coming.

Prepare.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 17, 2018 07:45 PM (femXf)

119 ridicule is an extremely brutal, efficient tool and it was much of the reason pc was so rigorously enforced.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:45 PM (MTjB1)

120 104 well yeah, but not enough are doing so. (Shit, I haven't even cut the cable yet -- I'm a massive hypocrite.)
Posted by: ace at January

Get rid of cable, get a Roku and learn to make it work for you.
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:43 PM (MTjB1)

Yep. Everybody offers free first months

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:45 PM (g4lFK)

121 I told a bunch of left-curtsyers at HotAir time and time again that if they really didn't like socialism, they wouldn't feed into the vanity of the left.

Getting socialists--and Jacobins--to eat you last, isn't that great of accomplishment.

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 07:46 PM (vDqXW)

122 I like the new Salty Ace. Stay salty, my friend.

Conservatives need to Defeat Democrats Everywhere. In the elections, in the newsrooms, in the school boards, in the courts, in the culture, and in the classrooms.

Cede no battlefield. Don't even let a Dem run unopposed for dogcatcher even in the bluest city in the bluest county of the bluest state.

BHO started as a nobody state senator. Years later I'm suffering under ACA premiums.

Defeat Democrats Everywhere.

Posted by: Iasonas at January 17, 2018 07:46 PM (wVMAv)

123 'So basically the best way to attack the Left is to point and laugh.'

zombie said a while back that the best way to deal with the left is ridicule and shun.

Posted by: freaked at January 17, 2018 07:46 PM (UdKB7)

124
I don't know if it's *instinct* that causes Trump to succeed as much as
it is a Don't-Give-a-Fuck personality type that his opponents - and the
left in particular - has yet to figure out. To that extent, Trump's been
lucky in his enemies.

---

LOL.

Based Trump.

Posted by: shibumi at January 17, 2018 07:46 PM (aT+Bx)

125 94 Non- Christians holding Christians to the standards of Christ. Why do Christians fall for this foolishness?
Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (g4lFK)

This is something that baffles me about modern progressive Christianity.

It's like progressive Reform Judaism. Why bother? Just shoot yourself and spare everyone else the trouble of doing it themselves.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 07:46 PM (CPk08)

126 ''I know that when I've gone through some bureaucratic process, like buying auto insurance, and I'm asked which of three options I want, I will frequently just ask: "What do MOST PEOPLE do?!"

The power to establish what "most people" do -- people who don't really care enough to form their own independent opinions -- is immense. ''

This is how I make choices in the grocery store. If I want barbecue sauce, for example, I check to see which one has been selected the most times as evidenced by having the lowest number of bottles on the shelf.

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2018 07:46 PM (/01mw)

127 >>>You're right about that. I've done it more times than I care to mention.

there's nothing to be ashamed of. Just going along with the herd is a very low-effort heuristic (rule of thumb) that yields good results 80% of the time.

If you want to buy a book, there's no shame in starting your search with the bestsellers -- the idea being 'If this many people bought this book, then there's a good chance it's good. Or at least better than the books that didn't sell well."

It's not nearly always true, but for a very simple no-effort-required guide, it works okay.

Posted by: ace at January 17, 2018 07:47 PM (8rNrN)

128 121 Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 07:46 PM (vDqXW)

Allahpundit uses GOP defeat the way Bob Dole uses Viagra....

seriously, he revels in GOP defeat but is ostensibly a "center right voice"....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2018 07:47 PM (SzZnW)

129 Erin Burnette cannot keep a straight face interviewing minirities of color. She uses Blue Steel but can't hold it.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:47 PM (g4lFK)

130
Yep. Everybody offers free first months
Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:45 PM

Even the heroin dealer.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2018 07:47 PM (IqV8l)

131 116 It's not so much about losing social status as it is about losing your job or your ability to make a living. The left wins arguments not because they are better at ridicule but because they control the power to punish and destroy.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (/tuJf)

---------------------

Exactly. Social Justice Mob's first move is to try to get you fired. That might even be their only move at this point: get you fired, make you unemployable. Well, if you've got Fuck You Money, they can't do a goddam thing to you.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 17, 2018 07:47 PM (xN1DB)

132 100+
"I killed f***ing cops. They're f***ing dead.
I don't f***ing regret that,"

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ycsyrx4v

Posted by: Luis Bracamontes: undocumented immigrant at January 17, 2018 07:47 PM (CNm1v)

133 So basically the best way to attack the Left is to point and laugh.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at January 17, 2018 07:44 PM (hMwEB)

--------

Absolutely. In the biggest, boldest style of Trump, Breitbart and Reagan.

Posted by: Speed Racer at January 17, 2018 07:47 PM (j/7lG)

134 Fortunately, we have leftover meatloaf.

Enjoyed your video the other day making it in muffin tins.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 07:48 PM (cW490)

135 well, ridicule is effective and fun, however, I have found it equally effective when dealing with my lib friends is to ask them "what do you tell your children?" What libs advocate for publicly and what they tell and teach their children are not the same.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:48 PM (MTjB1)

136 There are still lots of good conservatives out there that don't have TDS

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2018 07:48 PM (aC6Sd)

137 "Regan allowed himself to be rolled on immigration and was bad on the 2nd amendment."

I know about the rolling of immigration part. But where was he bad on 2A? I've never heard that before. I was too young to really follow what was happening during most of Reagan's years, so I could easily have missed it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 07:48 PM (1JAxC)

138 "I will break out soon and I will kill more."

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ycsyrx4v

Posted by: Luis Bracamontes: undocumented immigrant at January 17, 2018 07:49 PM (CNm1v)

139 Dr. Sayjay. Head of the MSM Trump Deadpool.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:49 PM (g4lFK)

140 Those primitive modems would always pull fast ones on you too. They'd finally connect - just for a couple seconds, just long enough to get your hopes up, then cut back out and go back to the endless dialing.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:49 PM (ul9CR)

141 Trump just doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck about offending you. He doesn't give a fuck if he's right on the facts. He doesn't give a fuck if what he's saying now contradicts what he said five minutes ago and what he'll say five minutes from now. Zero fucks given. -Necrophiliac Masturbatin Pete

That's my take on him too. It's amazing to watch, and very gratifying, even when he horrifies me.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 07:49 PM (CPk08)

142 Politics is essentially the Dance Floor at Studio 54.

If you are not willing to get out there and mimic the other patrons, you better have a Private Table behind the Velvet Rope.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2018 07:49 PM (j/z0v)

143 Politics is essentially the Dance Floor at Studio 54.

If you are not willing to get out there and mimic the other patrons, you better have a Private Table behind the Velvet Rope.

Posted by: garrett at Januar

which did you prefer?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (MTjB1)

144 most people invest time and effort to research big-ticket purchases -- home, car, computer, etc. -- but for relatively cheap ones, like a landline phone, a lot of people will just go with "Amazon's Choice." Because, why not? It's not worth too much effort to find which landline phone is marginally better or marginally a better value than this one. The time spent researching that question is basically a loss-- you spent a dollar's worth of time to save pennies. bad use of time.

And for most people, look, they just don't care all that damn much about politics.

Even now, when people seem to care about "politics" more than ever -- nope, they don't care about politics.

They care about TRUMP.

Posted by: ace at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (8rNrN)

145 Yeeessss!!

According to KellyAnne's twitter feed, PDJT will live address the March for Life from the Rose Garden on Friday! Yayyy!! God is indeed using this uniquely flawed and gifted man every day. May he and his family stay safe..

Posted by: jmel at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (OeWgo)

146 Ridicule? Yes. So glad somebody besides Hillary is familiar with my work.

Posted by: Saul Alinsky at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (cW490)

147 122 I like the new Salty Ace. Stay salty, my friend.

Defeat Democrats Everywhere.
Posted by: Iasonas at January 17, 2018 07:46 PM (wVMAv)

----------------------

The turning point was when Ace went from saying "hey you guys, don't say 'cuck,' it's racist, seriously you guys" to recognizing how apt it is. I'm not sure when it happened here at this Smart Military Blog, but it's awesome.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (xN1DB)

148 >> Fortunately, we have leftover meatloaf.

I'd do anything for love, but I won't do leftover meatloaf.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (j/z0v)

149 Defeat Democrats Everywhere.
Posted by: Iasonas at January 17, 2018 07:46 PM (wVMAv)

Yup.......they are a criminal enterprise masquerading as a political party.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (EoRCO)

150 I'd go further and say the mockery and ridicule needs to increase to a level that will provoke a violent reaction from the snowflakes.

This will not be difficult. They're almost there already. You can see it in that Damore filing where some prevert threatened to hurt people who didn't buy into his/her/whatever's delusional fantasies.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (4ErVI)

151 Ergo, when discussing abortion with those who consider it a sacrament, always start with calling it exactly what it is: baby murder.

As in: "So why do you think it's a good idea to kill babies?"

Don't let them dissemble, because they will try to tell you "it isn't a baby, it's a clump of cells," or some other deflection. The reply is, "So am I. Now, why do you think it's okay to kill babies?"

Just don't stop.

Eventually they will freak out.

They will stomp their feet.

They will call you crazy.

They will whine, and eventually they will walk away shaking their heads.

And still, they will not answer the question.

Because they can't.

If the truth is on your side, use it. Mercilessly.

Posted by: tcn in AK at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (7UW64)

152 Jonah Goldberg lives in a million-dollar home in the DC suburbs. He and his ilk will do whatever it takes to maintain their cushy lifestyles. Kept men of the Buckleyites. I spit on them.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (ul9CR)

153 Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2018 07:49 PM (j/z0v)

Wanna see my velvet rope?

Posted by: Billy Krystol at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (wVMAv)

154 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

The new machine gun ban....

Basically the misnamed gun control act of 1986.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (SzZnW)

155

Get rid of cable, get a Roku and learn to make it work for you.

Hell, Ace is in New York. Get an antenna. According to antennaweb.org, he could get reception on ~80 channels for free.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (oVJmc)

156 'even when he horrifies me.'

It's like having a pet alligator. Those poor chickens don't stand a chance.

Posted by: freaked at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (UdKB7)

157
Non- Christians holding Christians to the standards of Christ. Why do Christians fall for this foolishness?

Posted by: Monk

I don't take lessons in my Christian duties from anti-religious bigots. Christ did not say, "Render unto Caesar everything you have."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (g+uc5)

158 117 I don't know if it's *instinct* that causes Trump to succeed as much as it is a Don't-Give-a-Fuck personality type that his opponents - and the left in particular - has yet to figure out. To that extent, Trump's been lucky in his enemies.

I routinely mock the Nine-Dimensional-Chutes-and-Ladders explanations for why Trump has succeeded. The truth is, he's not all that knowledgeable or crafty. He's not a strategic genius, whatever the guy who draws Dilbert thinks. He's actually really simple. But he wins because most of the left's typical weapons - which worked on every other Republican since the beginning of time - don't deal him any damage. And yet the left keeps swinging those weapons around anyway, eventually hitting themselves.

Trump just doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck about offending you. He doesn't give a fuck if he's right on the facts. He doesn't give a fuck if what he's saying now contradicts what he said five minutes ago and what he'll say five minutes from now. Zero fucks given.

When you don't give a fuck, the weapon of shaming has no effect on you. The left (and the #SalonHot25) tries to shame him with the rules of decorum, with "have you no decency, sir?" with Muh Principles. But the truth is that Trump doesn't have all that much decency. Or rather, he doesn't give a fuck about decency.

Trump can't be bullied by the left because he hits back at bullies, and their taunts don't motivate him. That's why he's different than every other Republican, and so effective: he refuses to play the game by the left's rigged rules.

There is, I suspect, a way to counter Trump on this. But The left hasn't figured this out. They just yell louder and louder and louder about how awful he is, what a racist he is, how he's bringing The Handmaid's Tale to life. The more they yell, the more ridiculous they sound. They're the ones who sound awful. The racism charge just doesn't stick. And no one actually thinks Trump wants women to cover up.

I've got a lot of problems with Trump, but the fact that he's breaking the rules isn't one of them. The rules are rigged.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 17, 2018 07:45 PM (xN1DB)

Worked for me!

Posted by: Tyler Durden at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (g4lFK)

159 What do MOST PEOPLE do?!
==

It's because as a species, going with the herd is a tried and tested survival strategy.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at January 17, 2018 07:52 PM (hMwEB)

160 Leftists are definitely better at destroying than creating, so I have no problem with taking the fight to them on their own terms.

Good post, ace.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 07:35 PM (sdi6R)

===============

There's a difference, though: the Left always destroys things of value (i.e., good); Ace is proposing destroying things of detriment (i.e. bad).

Posted by: ShainS at January 17, 2018 07:52 PM (BiLU+)

161 The other night on some talking head show on Fox, they were once again talking about Gitmo.

Some Democrat mouthpiece was going on and on, about how Gitmo should be closed, with the remaining detainees released for "time served". Regardless of how he was rebutted, by "these people are dangerous" (Khalid Sheik Mohammed, mastermind of 9/11?), etc., the drone was the same.

I would have asked him, since Obama was President for 8 years and an enlightened Democrat, why didn't he take care of this? I mean his pal at AG, Eric Holder, was part of the law firm that specialized in defending these lizards.

It's a talking point to spear people with. Nothing more. Who knows if the Democrats would do it, but it's like a lot of other Faux issues; something to be an idiot about on TV, yet speak Truth to Power, or some such nonsense.

This will again become a Democrat "phrase that pays" for the next few years. Closing Gitmo. Because Obama just couldn't do it. Poor guy. It was the NCAA March Madness brackets.

Listening to people on TV utter absolute stupid drivel, that should be batted down easily and then hooted off the camera, is so frustrating. The Media in all its forms exists to further controversy, because that brings in the ratings.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at January 17, 2018 07:52 PM (S6Pax)

162 They care about - "How am I doing?

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 07:52 PM (CNm1v)

163 The left fucked up with Trump by attacking him so viciously. Had they welcomed him and said "yeah we'll work with you" they could have probably gotten a lot of their wishes. I think Trump went into it looking for bipartisan, grand deals. But when he was attacked as wildly as he was by the MSM/Dems, he said fuck that shit, I'm not working with these assholes.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 07:52 PM (1JAxC)

164 >>Exactly. Social Justice Mob's first move is to try to get you fired. That might even be their only move at this point: get you fired, make you unemployable. Well, if you've got Fuck You Money, they can't do a goddam thing to you.

I'd give you a fist bump or a shake your hand but the whole masturbating thing.. let's just say we are in agreement.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 07:53 PM (/tuJf)

165 18-1 @ 68--Judge Roy Moore!
Exactly. I blame people like the GOPe, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham, all of whom told Judge Moore to quit. The lost that senate seat for us, not Roy Moore. Buncha aholes.

Posted by: Eromero at January 17, 2018 07:53 PM (zLDYs)

166 Hell, Ace is in New York. Get an antenna. According to antennaweb.org, he could get reception on ~80 channels for free.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January

you have to have cable in NYC, no reception.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:53 PM (MTjB1)

167 There's some cool OTA channels in the NYC area last time I checked.

Posted by: Iasonas at January 17, 2018 07:53 PM (wVMAv)

168 152
Jonah Goldberg lives in a million-dollar home in the DC suburbs. He and
his ilk will do whatever it takes to maintain their cushy lifestyles.
Kept men of the Buckleyites. I spit on them.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (ul9CR)

__
Well do be fair, $1M in the DC suburbs doesn't really buy you a lot. Still Jonah is a dick.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (1JAxC)

169 163 The left fucked up with Trump by attacking him so viciously. Had they welcomed him and said "yeah we'll work with you" they could have probably gotten a lot of their wishes. I think Trump went into it looking for bipartisan, grand deals. But when he was attacked as wildly as he was by the MSM/Dems, he said fuck that shit, I'm not working with these assholes.

I suspect this is right on the money.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (ul9CR)

170 broadcast reception depends on a CLEAR line of sight. Otherwise you get ghosting, interference, etc.

Posted by: ace at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (8rNrN)

171 157
Non- Christians holding Christians to the standards of Christ. Why do Christians fall for this foolishness?

Posted by: Monk

I don't take lessons in my Christian duties from anti-religious bigots. Christ did not say, "Render unto Caesar everything you have."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (g+uc5)

Exactly. But non-Chtistians shame Christians into actions and behaviors that do not benefit them. Its maddening.

Radical Christianity when?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (g4lFK)

172 "The hell with that. It's time for pitchforks and torches."

To quote Bender Bending Rodriguez:

hahahahahahaha

Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Pitchforks and torches" means open violence; i.e., hurting people and breaking stuff. The American Right - beyond a statistically insignificant minority - lacks the backbone to ever even consider that as an option.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (rznWS)

173 Why didn't Obama want to stop cocaine from coming into the country, same reason he did everything.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (6Ll1u)

174 165 18-1 @ 68--Judge Roy Moore!
Exactly. I blame people like the GOPe, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham, all of whom told Judge Moore to quit. The lost that senate seat for us, not Roy Moore. Buncha aholes.
Posted by: Eromero at January 17, 2018 07:53 PM (zLDYs)

400k Trump voters stayed home. I hope they're happy.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (2DOZq)

175 well, the left's tactic of exiling and or ostracizing people is very effective. You have to be amazed by the number of people that show up in DC or NYC then wind up being coopted into the left in order to be part of the group.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (MTjB1)

176 These points are all well made, but they are also frustratingly obvious. Of course the establishment right treats the left as its social betters; it was baked into the foundation of the modern right by its architect, William Buckley. He was always fixated on trying to win arguments with leftists, not to win arguments with the country, and always to engage the left in a manner that wouldn't preclude sharing a nice glass of port at the club at the end of the day. He deeply regretted the one time he gave it to the left like they deserved, with Gore Vidal in 1968. When he died his eulogists stressed how many leftists came to his funeral, how awsome his dinner parties were, how "congenial" he was, but now how he changed the arc of the politics in this country. The modern right was never built to stop the left; it was structured to oppose it in ways that would not be too offensive to our leftist overlords.

Posted by: JoeofPA at January 17, 2018 07:55 PM (d66ec)

177 142 Politics is essentially the Dance Floor at Studio 54.

If you are not willing to get out there and mimic the other patrons, you better have a Private Table behind the Velvet Rope.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2018 07:49 PM (j/z0v)

That's not a bad analogy. Back in those days, people would willingly stand in long lines as the doorkeepers decided who would get in and who would not.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 07:55 PM (sdi6R)

178 The left fucked up with Trump by attacking him so viciously. Had they welcomed him and said "yeah we'll work with you" they could have probably gotten a lot of their wishes.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 07:52 PM (1JAxC)
---
Agree. Trump came in with about the strongest MOR principles that I can remember. But the left does not really know moderation--because moderation isn't a buzz. And they made him their enemy.

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 07:55 PM (vDqXW)

179 broadcast reception depends on a CLEAR line of sight. Otherwise you get ghosting, interference, etc.

Posted by: ace at January

roku

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:55 PM (MTjB1)

180 Thinking ridicule will magically change behavior? It's like mocking Jake Tapper. He hasn't backed down. He won't back down. He hasn't lost status. He's defiant. He's ensconced landed gentry. His job is his to keep ( as long as he doesn't run afoul of the Manhattan Leninists.)

Posted by: 13times at January 17, 2018 07:55 PM (WHVu+)

181 Allahpundit uses GOP defeat the way Bob Dole uses Viagra....

seriously, he revels in GOP defeat but is ostensibly a "center right voice"....
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2018 07:47 PM (SzZnW)

He reached Jarles Chohnson status a while back, minus the mega banning but substituted sucking up to the trolls. So I did to HA what I did with LGF: just quietly left with no fanfare. Why make a scene and waste your time getting banned when those assholes can modify your text and make you look like an idiot. Life's too short to deal with finding the clean end of a turd.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2018 07:56 PM (y7DUB)

182 Wannabe elites suck up. A lot. And the annointed elites in this country are anything but superior. This needs to be drummed into their thick heads. Constantly. They are quite dull, always wrong, shallow and lazy. The very idea of merit horrifies them. One of the reasons they hate the very idea of a merit based and restricted immigration system is that it would mean more competition for them which they hate as much as native born middle class competition.

Posted by: Lester at January 17, 2018 07:56 PM (LfJIn)

183 Posted by: ace at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (8rNrN)

But I thought you had a midtown penthouse

Posted by: Iasonas at January 17, 2018 07:56 PM (wVMAv)

184 http://bit.ly/2DhdZtB

Former Chief Asst. U.S. Attorney: Trump Admins Espionage Act Enforcement May Spell Trouble For Hillary Clinton

Andy McCarthy

Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 17, 2018 07:56 PM (y3aQB)

185 Well do be fair, $1M in the DC suburbs doesn't really buy you a lot. Still Jonah is a dick.
Posted by: #neverskankles

If a $1M house in the DC burbs isn't much, imagine how small that $600K Vermont lake house Bernie sold out for must be.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 17, 2018 07:56 PM (5wCUq)

186 I know on a personal level when you fight to win instead of playing not to lose against these cry bullies, you will prevail. Also look at Trump.

Zero sum games are played with zero sum game rules.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:57 PM (g4lFK)

187 172. The chief was speaking metaphorically, I'd guess.

When it comes time for violence, it won't be anything that anyone talks about. That's how these things go.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 07:57 PM (fA1SL)

188 Trump wanted a huge infrastructure deal right out of the gate. A liberal wet dream. Then Screwmer and the rest refused to do one damn thing with him even if it was something they'd salivated over for decades. They did push him to the right wit their insane hatred and stupid ass "resistance."

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:57 PM (ul9CR)

189 157
Non- Christians holding Christians to the standards of Christ. Why do Christians fall for this foolishness?

Posted by: Monk

I don't take lessons in my Christian duties from anti-religious bigots. Christ did not say, "Render unto Caesar everything you have."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 07:51 PM (g+uc5)

The truth is that the anti-religion bigots have not one clue what Jesus said or taught, nor how they should react to that. I'm not going to give any credence to the ravings of the ignorant.

Deep down, they know there is a hell and they are headed to it, but they are angry because they would have to relinquish their will to be able to avoid it. They see Christians being happy about something they cannot see because they refuse to look.

I have seen a rabid atheist convert, and it was a beautiful thing. The light of Christ just took away every shadow. Right about when the convert says and actually means, "Thy will be done." That's the point where they discover the prison they have been in and just how free they can become by giving up their own stubborn will.

Naturally, YMMV.

Posted by: tcn in AK at January 17, 2018 07:58 PM (7UW64)

190 70 Breitbart's book RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION was so good. Damn shame he didn't live to write more.

Before I read it I had no idea all these guys-Breitbart, Drudge, Gutfeld etc. all knew each other online back when they were all nobodies. Imagine getting Drudge's original e-mail newsletter. Man.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (ul9CR)

=============

Agreed. Great book and eye-opening, also the parts about Arianna Huffington.

Posted by: ShainS at January 17, 2018 07:58 PM (BiLU+)

191 Good analysis, Ace. One thing to remember is, when your representatives seem more beholden to your opposition, they do not really represent you, but their masters.

This is the key, I think. They are more interested in the good opinion of the other people at cocktail parties than the people who elected them. This not only shows stupidity, but also brazen contempt.

At the same time, they want to lecture their own electorate about why they are doing what they are doing.

This is not something that can last long term.

One of the arguments against and for, frankly Trump was that he would burn the system down. I was not necessarily in favor of the system in the primaries, but I was also not convinced that it was a completely corrupt edifice.

I was wrong. Trump, and the reaction to Trump has shown just how deep the rot goes. At this point, it needs to be gutted.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2018 07:58 PM (sZJfc)

192 180 Posted by: 13times at January 17, 2018 07:55 PM (WHVu+)

Tapper is one of the leftoid baronets who kisses the royalty's butt but tries to woo the guild members who read his pap.

Tapper was never "centrist" and he is immune to ridicule because he remains what he always was, an agent of the democrats meant to sow confusion amongst us.

Jake "Honest Abe" Tapper is a fraud.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2018 07:58 PM (SzZnW)

193 A million dollars is crumbs. Pathetic CRUMBS!

Posted by: Nanzi Piglosi at January 17, 2018 07:58 PM (ul9CR)

194 174 165 18-1 @ 68--Judge Roy Moore!
Exactly. I blame people like the GOPe, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham, all of whom told Judge Moore to quit. The lost that senate seat for us, not Roy Moore. Buncha aholes.
Posted by: Eromero at January 17, 2018 07:53 PM (zLDYs)

400k Trump voters stayed home. I hope they're happy.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (2DOZq)

Strong evidence of voter fraud in Dem counties was ignored. Trump should have jumped on this.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:58 PM (g4lFK)

195 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 07:57 PM (fA1SL)

172 is a broken record. He only comments here recently to imply the Right are pussies.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 07:59 PM (2DOZq)

196 180 Thinking ridicule will magically change behavior? It's like mocking Jake Tapper. He hasn't backed down. He won't back down. He hasn't lost status. He's defiant. He's ensconced landed gentry. His job is his to keep ( as long as he doesn't run afoul of the Manhattan Leninists.)
Posted by: 13times at January 17, 2018 07:55 PM (WHVu+)

The market is a marvelous thing, and relentless savage ridicule is a very strong media signal, because it appeals most to adolescents and young adults.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 07:59 PM (CPk08)

197 Just read it. The article is quite good (and may be shorter than the review)

I do hope there are some Trump understudies out there.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 08:00 PM (cW490)

198 I guess I'll put my pirate flag back in the chest.

Posted by: freaked at January 17, 2018 08:00 PM (UdKB7)

199 195. Huh......that was also Woolworth's shtick. Where is he, anyway?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 08:00 PM (fA1SL)

200 Posted by: JoeofPA at January 17, 2018 07:55 PM (d66ec)
---
Good point. Buckley often said that the one thing he wanted to do is redeem the right from the John Birch society--whose predictions about communism in America have almost all come true.

I like Buckley--and I hate what I have heard of the racism in the John Birch society (but maybe that was lefty smear as well???). But I would agree that Buckley was a proponent of what I call "punching-right".

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 08:00 PM (vDqXW)

201 If I say how much I love Ace's movie reviews and what a Master of Shelving he is does that mean I can get named a baroness? I have no scruples, I'd do it for a title.

Posted by: cfo mom at January 17, 2018 08:00 PM (RfzVr)

202 Eromero, thumbs up.
______________________

But when he was attacked as wildly as he was by the MSM/Dems, he said fuck that shit, I'm not working with these assholes.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 07:52 PM (1JAxC)
********************

He told them, he's said it many times, You work with me I'll work with you; You punch me and I'll punch you back harder.

They don't listen.
I think he'll beat it into them.

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (CNm1v)

203 Jake Tapper is a lot like Jon Stewart. They both give the left's point of view 95% of the time. And then every now and then throw a bone to the right and say something marginally conservative. And because they don't stay 100% on the left, they are celebrated as fair minded by conservatives. And it's fucking pathetic.

Just like the odd time SNL made an Obama joke and everyone on the right had a collective orgasm over it, forgetting about the 100 previous skits that made conservatives look like idiots.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (1JAxC)

204 >>Strong evidence of voter fraud in Dem counties was ignored. Trump should have jumped on this.

Roy Moore lost mostly because he was a shitty candidate. Take a good look at his previous performances in state wide races in ruby red Alabama.

Shitty candidate often lose races even when there isn't a conspiracy.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (/tuJf)

205 Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 07:58 PM (g4lFK)

Jones got about the same number of votes as Hillary did.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (2DOZq)

206 PDT just released the Fake News Awards on GOP.com, but it looks like the site is overloaded now. Must be the MSM looking to see if they got a "Red badge of Courage".

Posted by: johnd01 at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (nVmgE)

207 181 Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2018 07:56 PM (y7DUB)

I used to read Josh Barro's crap on Twatter and then read "AllahPundit's" pap at Tepid...I am 75% certain AP is Barro.

There is a large swath of the "GOP" intelligenzia who are thrilled to be the Washington Generals to the donks' Globetrotters....

They should be ignored into penury

Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (SzZnW)

208 ''They care about TRUMP. ''

Correct again. I find myself sending emails of support and/or concern via the White House regularly. I just feel the need to let someone at the White House know that we deplorables are still out there cheering the president on.

Posted by: Tuna at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (jm1YL)

209 "Pitchforks and torches" means open violence; i.e., hurting people and breaking stuff. The American Right - beyond a statistically insignificant minority - lacks the backbone to ever even consider that as an option.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at January 17, 2018 07:54 PM (rznWS)

Not sure where you live, but you'd probably be surprised.

Posted by: tcn in AK at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (7UW64)

210 >>Shitty candidate often lose races even when there isn't a conspiracy.

Though, one can never rule out Witchcraft.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnel at January 17, 2018 08:02 PM (j/z0v)

211 Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (/tuJf)

So that binary choice is not a thing in State races?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:02 PM (2DOZq)

212

Naturally, YMMV.
Posted by: tcn in AK at January 17, 2018 07:58 PM (7UW64)

Thing is most American Christians care more about social status and worldly bullshit and the enemy exploits that and they fall for it.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:02 PM (g4lFK)

213 Remember that these are the folks that had people believing that Mittens Romney was worse than Hitler.

The guy who made your Sunday school teacher look like Ric Flair on a coke, booze and hooker binge, Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at January 17, 2018 08:02 PM (1JnAL)

214 Anyone watching Tucker? He is saying pretty much what Mastrubatin Pete and I were saying.

Losing your livelihood for speaking your mind is a pretty powerful incentive for keeping your mouth shut.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:03 PM (/tuJf)

215 I'm not saying it was aliens that caused Moore to lose....but it's was probably aliens.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:03 PM (1JAxC)

216 -
--
"... Trump just doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck about offending
you. He doesn't give a fuck if he's right on the facts. He doesn't give a
fuck if what he's saying now contradicts what he said five minutes ago
and what he'll say five minutes from now. Zero fucks given...."
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 17, 2018 07:45 PM

-------------------------------------------------

I have the same opinion. The only part I don't understand about Trump (and this has been very pleasantly surprising) is that he DOES seem to give a fuck about implementing a pretty damn good agenda.

Posted by: Shitholier (than thou) at January 17, 2018 08:03 PM (RVcmP)

217 The turning point was when Ace went from saying "hey you guys, don't say 'cuck,' it's racist, seriously you guys" to recognizing how apt it is. I'm not sure when it happened here at this Smart Military Blog, but it's awesome.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM (xN1DB)

I used to hate that term too, mostly because it seemed like a lot of sketchy assholes were using it. Then something turned my head around; maybe Jenna Jameson blasting idiots on Twitter with it did it. Anyway I used it against Rupert Murdoch recently. Felt good and was literally accurate.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2018 08:03 PM (y7DUB)

218 Right about when the convert says and actually means, "Thy will be done." That's the point where they discover the prison they have been in and just how free they can become by giving up their own stubborn will.

Naturally, YMMV.
Posted by: tcn in AK

I think sometimes the Buddhists have a point about attachment--be it to things or to our own willful pride. Sometimes you just have to let go.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, this space for rent! Call 1-800-MORON-AD for details! at January 17, 2018 08:04 PM (lLeln)

219 206 PDT just released the Fake News Awards on GOP.com, but it looks like the site is overloaded now. Must be the MSM looking to see if they got a "Red badge of Courage".
Posted by: johnd01 at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (nVmgE)

I thought it was going to be a live event. I has a sad.

Posted by: josephistan at January 17, 2018 08:04 PM (ANIFC)

220 Observation -
Comes helicopter time, it can be automated. Same's true of REMOVE QUINOA.
Purge-bots, ftw!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 08:04 PM (fA1SL)

221 95 Prager at the top of his show was looking at the conservative intelligentsia and the amount of #Nevers, having no reason to be against President Trump when it comes to conservatism.

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (aC6Sd)

============

Dennis Prager has been an awesome defender and proponent of Trump since his nomination and especially election (considering the numerous conservative ideas pushed by the President that likely none of the other 16 candidates would have championed).

He easily intellectually destroys all comers ...

Posted by: ShainS at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (BiLU+)

222 >>Sometimes you just have to let go.

Sometimes you have no choice.

Posted by: SQUATZ at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (j/z0v)

223 I have seen a rabid atheist convert, and it was a beautiful thing. The light of Christ just took away every shadow. Right about when the convert says and actually means, "Thy will be done." That's the point where they discover the prison they have been in and just how free they can become by giving up their own stubborn will.

As an atheist: rabid atheists generally have a screw loose. Atheism is a position with the sole advantage of being a product of rational reflection and nothing else. AStheism per se has nothing else, socially, spiritually, artistically, whateverly going for it. So if you are rabid about it, it's because you either haven't considered at length (yet) what people are, and what you are, and how you got there, or you have issues. A rabid atheist is like an ecstatic stoic. YMMV

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (CPk08)

224 Good post, Ace.

Well said.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (xJa6I)

225 >>So that binary choice is not a thing in State races?

Sure it is. But when one of those choices is just so unacceptable that you don't see a real win by voting for him or her you don't vote.

Again, go look at Moore's results in other statewide races in Alabama. A barely sentient rock that identifies as a Republican should win in a landslide there.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (/tuJf)

226 Roy Moore lost mostly because he was a shitty candidate. Take a good look at his previous performances in state wide races in ruby red Alabama.

Shitty candidate often lose races even when there isn't a conspiracy.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (/tuJf)
*************

And a lot of the reason he was a shitty candidate was No fing support from the right. All of the people who could have coached him, had mock interviews or whatever they do for their favorites Was denied to him and that was a shameful act.

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (CNm1v)

227 I see a Braveheart analogy here...
The Lords of the Left = Edward "Longshanks"
The Establishment Right = The Scottish "nobles"
Trump = the one who'd consume the Left with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse (Wallace)

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (wBMGD)

228 Though, one can never rule out Witchcraft.
Posted by: Christine O'Donnel

Thanks to our wonderful immigration system, our fair city now has the largest number of practicing witchdoctors in America, for all your anti-hexing needs. Diversity is our Vibrancy!

Posted by: Minneapolis Chamber of Commerce at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (5wCUq)

229 broadcast reception depends on a CLEAR line of sight. Otherwise you get ghosting, interference, etc.

My experience with OTA is that forcing this particularly HD technology had to be a plot by cable companies to reduce the reach of broadcast television.

(I live in the suburbs; every time a car went by, signal bounce dropped the reception. I eventually fixed it by buying a Tablo, allowing me to move the antenna upstairs and getting it to my television via WiFi.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (2lndx)

230 It's loading for me, but I see nothing Fake News Award related on GOP.com

Posted by: Nanzi Piglosi at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (ul9CR)

231 96 Everyone should sleep with a copy of The Prince on their nightstand.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 17, 2018 07:41 PM (MTjB1)

================

Melania sleeps with a copy of The Prince in her bed.

Posted by: ShainS at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (BiLU+)

232 204 >>Strong evidence of voter fraud in Dem counties was ignored. Trump should have jumped on this.

Roy Moore lost mostly because he was a shitty candidate. Take a good look at his previous performances in state wide races in ruby red Alabama.

Shitty candidate often lose races even when there isn't a conspiracy.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (/tuJf)

Jones got 92% of Hillary turnout in a runoff election. Come on.

The GOPe abandoned Roy Moore and left him to the wolves with banana lies.

Jackstraw, I'm fucking sick and tired of white Christian Hetero straight southern men being branded as pedophiles and deviants by the real pedophiles and deviants.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (g4lFK)

233 "... think they're weird, and deem them unfriendable, undatable, and poor candidates for promotion inside The Corporation."

Jesus. That's me.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (NWiLs)

234 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (CPk0

I don't understand.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (2DOZq)

235 214 Anyone watching Tucker? He is saying pretty much what Mastrubatin Pete and I were saying.

Losing your livelihood for speaking your mind is a pretty powerful incentive for keeping your mouth shut.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:03 PM (/tuJf)

The HQ is show prep for a lot of the Conservative Media.

Posted by: josephistan at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (ANIFC)

236 sock off, dammit

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (ul9CR)

237 The name of the movie ace has so succinctly reviewed here is:

"Keep Yer Powder Dry"

Posted by: Sharkman at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (BfOXk)

238 TuCa is great tonight.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (ptqGC)

239 The Fake News Awards page is still down. I got the link from his Twitter. https://gop.com/the-highly-anticipated-2017-fake-news-awards/

Posted by: johnd01 at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (nVmgE)

240 233 "... think they're weird, and deem them unfriendable, undatable, and poor candidates for promotion inside The Corporation."

Jesus. That's me.
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (NWiLs)

:fistbump:

Posted by: josephistan at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (ANIFC)

241 Good point. Buckley often said that the one thing he wanted to do is redeem the right from the John Birch society--whose predictions about communism in America have almost all come true.

I like Buckley--and I hate what I have heard of the racism in the John Birch society (but maybe that was lefty smear as well???). But I would agree that Buckley was a proponent of what I call "punching-right".

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 08:00 PM (vDqXW)

Was there anything the Birchers were wrong about? The fluoride is a communist plot thing was a stretch, but actually continual exposure to fluoride has side effects that can be harmful.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (4ErVI)

242 218 Right about when the convert says and actually means, "Thy will be done." That's the point where they discover the prison they have been in and just how free they can become by giving up their own stubborn will.

Naturally, YMMV.
Posted by: tcn in AK

I think sometimes the Buddhists have a point about attachment--be it to things or to our own willful pride. Sometimes you just have to let go.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, this space for rent! Call 1-800-MORON-AD for details! at January 17, 2018 08:04 PM (lLeln)

There's a lot of wisdom in Buddhism.

There's no shortage of ancient wisdom, Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on goodness or morality.

The problem comes down to the sticky details. Not just, how to live and how to treat others, but what we're here for and who sent us.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (xJa6I)

243 234 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (CPk0

I don't understand.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (2DOZq)

It's Chinatown, Jake.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (CPk08)

244 Speaking of Trump and his fucking insane economy....

I mentioned last week I think that I was testing the market out for new jobs. Had a series of interviews with a company, including flying out to HQ and then was ignored. Well ignored no longer, they offered me the position yesterday. Although I said fuck off, if you wait that long to get back to me.

But other than that since the start of the new year, it's been non-stop calls from recruiters. And not fake Indian recruiters with bullshit jobs. Actual recruiters, from actual companies with actual jobs. It's getting to the point where I don't want to talk to anyone anymore. I know, good problem to have

But I can't remember another time like this when there was such a palpable appetite by employers to hire.

So this is why even though you will never see a mention of the economy in the NYT, WaPo or on CNN, the common voters has to be seeing this in their day to day world.

Question is will they believe the NYT's lies or their own eyes? And I really don't know what the answer is.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:08 PM (1JAxC)

245 200
Good point. Buckley often said that the one thing he wanted to do is redeem the right from the John Birch society--whose predictions about communism in America have almost all come true.

I like Buckley--and I hate what I have heard of the racism in the John Birch society (but maybe that was lefty smear as well???). But I would agree that Buckley was a proponent of what I call "punching-right".
Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 08:00 PM (vDqXW)

That was before my time, but as far as I can tell, the Birchers were at least 90% right. And they were widely mocked and ridiculed, no thanks to Buckley.

I think charges of racism and antisemitism were overblown, and were mostly leftist smears. I don't think the Birchers were much different from mainstream Americans in that respect. Their main focus was anti-Communism, not racial purity or anything like that.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 08:08 PM (sdi6R)

246 There is something that I have been dying to say that fits right into this.

In social situations, the people who defend the existing social order are not JUST the people who benefit from it. No. They are also the people who sacrificed to be in it. Imagine the years of having to mouth the silly platitudes of the left, to pretend to believe their feverous orthodoxies, and suddenly be told, that this long term debasement of self was for naught.

That is why they sooooo feverously hate Trump - he is rich, successful, has power and influence, has a gorgeous wife, and doesn't give a rat fuck what they think. He scaled the heights, and didn't have to debase himself, constantly. It angers them, it infuriates them, but it also frightens them, badly. What if the right schools, the right breeding, the right beliefs, the catechisms of the left have NO meaning? What if your entire life has been a lie?

Posted by: Dean Wormer at January 17, 2018 08:08 PM (fftfA)

247 225 >>So that binary choice is not a thing in State races?

Sure it is. But when one of those choices is just so unacceptable that you don't see a real win by voting for him or her you don't vote.

Again, go look at Moore's results in other statewide races in Alabama. A barely sentient rock that identifies as a Republican should win in a landslide there.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (/tuJf)

Unacceptable by whose standards being framed 24/7 on every radio and news station.

A good Christian conseravtive was crucified and the conservatives do nothing.

Christians are not subhuman disposable trash!

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:08 PM (g4lFK)

248 240 233 "... think they're weird, and deem them unfriendable, undatable, and poor candidates for promotion inside The Corporation."

Jesus. That's me.
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (NWiLs)

:fistbump:
Posted by: josephistan at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (ANIFC)

*return fistbump*

Outcasts unite!

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 17, 2018 08:08 PM (NWiLs)

249 I'm trying to think of how mockery of the left-landed gentry/courtiers has worked in our favor. It's worked for the left - mocking God or TV evangelists or the "50's nuclear family." But working for us as commoners? How about Ace? He works mockery like a rented mule. Fifteen years he's been at it. We got zilch.

Posted by: 13times at January 17, 2018 08:09 PM (WHVu+)

250 Losing your livelihood for speaking your mind is a pretty powerful incentive for keeping your mouth shut.
Posted by: JackStraw

There's a very good reason I keep certain details about what I do for a living quite here. Not quite zombie level, but bad potential.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, this space for rent! Call 1-800-MORON-AD for details! at January 17, 2018 08:09 PM (lLeln)

251 Shitty candidate often lose races even when there isn't a conspiracy.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (/tuJf)
---
Yeah, but he didn't lose by so much that it's obvious that a little less bailing might not have helped him.

Apply what the article is saying. His loss of status over some pretty iffy stuff and the subsequent abandonment by prominent figures on the right made him the wounded animal that everybody was trying to walk past.

It's not because there were solid arguments against his character that would have applied to ANYBODY else--it's because in the status pool, he was a wounded animal, and people read the reactions of other people to kind of guide their decisions.

I mean, this was unprecedented abandonment by his party--it wasn't logical arguments against his fitness--it was the his low status--as somebody who the Democrats even started spreading the fear would instantly prey on teenage girl pages in Congress!!

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 08:09 PM (vDqXW)

252 -
--

If the truth is on your side, use it. Mercilessly.

Posted by: tcn in AK at January 17, 2018 07:50 PM

---------------------------------------

Were we merciless, we'd be on their side.
Not being merciless makes us oppose them.

Posted by: Shitholier (than thou) at January 17, 2018 08:10 PM (RVcmP)

253 Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (/tuJf)

You did not describe the theory of a binary choice. You described what people say that disagree that it's a binary choice.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:10 PM (2DOZq)

254 Short version: The right attempts political persuasion. The left, on the other hand, attempts social persuasion

It's more a matter of the Left having gone through the Gramscian March for well over a century engaging in Fabian socialism (and its like), while most of the rest of us were unaware, of the magnitude, if not scheme itself.

Having higher social status gets you invites to the Cocktail Party Circuit

Not everyone is obsessed about the proverbial "Cocktail" parties...

While the left wing continues winning arguments by not even having arguments at all, instead simply demonizing those who espouse any contrary position, the #SmartSet (citation required) of the establishment right continues believing, apparently earnestly and definitely ridiculously, that if they just out argue their political competitors, they'll change minds.

Superficially.

The Left changes the fundamentals so that when their Fabian little ~~hearts~~ Satanic bloog pumps feel it's right, they simply have to declare their position and the populace flips.

Gay marriage didn't happen because of some media talking head or some celebrity t**t, but all the little minions spreading the disease, most of whom did not realize the goal that they are making manifest.

"Trump's manner of engaging with The Blob of left-wing virtue-signalling and status-conferring is to attempt to degrade the left wing cultural Borg of its own social status, thereby reducing its ability to set tastes, serve as "gatekeepers" of what the right-minded people agree are proper attitudes and beliefs, and demonize dissenters."

While some minor rearguard action may as a last resort have to be fought this way, all this is really doing is raging against disposable pawn while cathartically emoting.

They're sub-nobles, but at least the lords have recognized their superiority over the commoners and peasants.

Much as with the likes of Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Kurt "Sonny" Schlichter, &c.

The other alternative is, of course, to destroy (or degrade) the social status of the Lords of the Left. That's also hard, but it's easier to destroy than to create.

This involves a lot of base mockery and ridicule, something that the petty nobles of the liberal-leaning nominal right find horrifying when a right-winger does it, but don't seem to notice or at least care that their masters, the Lords of the Left, do nothing but this.

But, again, the "Lords of the Left" aren't. The media, the entertainment industry, even politicians are just pawns (though one may occasionally become a Queen, like Obama). Heck, at this point, there isn't even a coordinated conspiracy, with the early Gramscian marchers creating a Stand Alone Complex where elements of the Left all around mutually support each other while insulating themselves from those others that screw up or jump the gun.

The hell with that. It's time for pitchforks and torches.

And the sound and fury.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 08:10 PM (itfg0)

255 Yes, banana lies!

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:10 PM (g4lFK)

256 The problem with establishment conservatives (NeverTrumpers) is they are confused as to which tribe they belong to.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (5fSr7)

257 Look at how much of the left resembles a religion. How much is about repeating the same tired ideas and phrases. The have been doing penance. They expect to get into "heaven".

Trump says, nah, bro, there is no heaven, and you have been wasting your time. That is why there is an almost religious fervor about them.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (fftfA)

258 Thing is most American Christians care more about social status and worldly bullshit and the enemy exploits that and they fall for it.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:02 PM (g4lFK)

I suspect that even more Christians have mistaken the line about meekness to mean we should be a bunch of pussies. Christ meant no such thing.

Never, not once, in the Bible does it say that being nice will get you into heaven.

Doing the will of His Father will. And I do not for one minute believe that His will is that we be nice to people who want us dead.

Paul puts it very specifically, and lists the things you must do. The Didache spells it out fairly clearly as well. Neither one says to let atheists steamroll you.

The Bible is also pretty clear about what love is, and how to live it. Not once does it say that getting your rocks off with anybody or anything means love, and should be promoted above all other things. Not once does it say to objectify your "partner" and then call that marriage. Not once does it say that orgasms are the highest and best goal of life.

It does, however, tell you who is behind all this nonsense. That would be the Father of Lies, and he is fairly easy to see once you start looking.

Being a Christian is not for the faint of heart.

Posted by: tcn in AK at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (7UW64)

259 Looking at it now, I'm glad Moore lost. He would have been a never ending embarrassment that the MSM would have lapped up.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (1JAxC)

260 >>>I'd do anything for love, but I won't do leftover meatloaf.

garrett owes me a keyboard.

Posted by: cfo mom at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (RfzVr)

261 245. The 'anti-Semitic' smear on JBS was standard Soviet practice. Before Hitler, twas Stalin who racked up the Jew-kills bigly. And after the war, Joe planned to deport his own Jewish population en toto.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (fA1SL)

262 I think charges of racism and antisemitism were overblown, and were mostly leftist smears. I don't think the Birchers were much different from mainstream Americans in that respect. Their main focus was anti-Communism, not racial purity or anything like that.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 08:08 PM (sdi6R)

They were absolutely overblown and outright false. I did some research on some of these groups from back in the 1950s years ago in school and read a few things related the JBS. They actually kicked out anyone who professed anti-semitism, including one of the founders. Revilo Oliver I think it was (cool palindrome name, dude!).

As far as the racism, they were opposed to busing. So were most people, actually, and that included both Whites and Blacks. No one except government bureaucrats and race hustlers liked using kids as pawns.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (4ErVI)

263 206 PDT just released the Fake News Awards on GOP.com, but it looks like the site is overloaded now. Must be the MSM looking to see if they got a "Red badge of Courage".
Posted by: johnd01 at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (nVmgE)

I thought it was going to be a live event. I has a sad.
Posted by: josephistan at January 17, 2018 08:04 PM (ANIFC)

Having it live might be considered trolling them too hard. Plus giving those worthless skidmarks more attention than they deserved.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (y7DUB)

264 I see a Braveheart analogy here...
The Lords of the Left = Edward "Longshanks"
The Establishment Right = The Scottish "nobles"
Trump = the one who'd consume the Left with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse (Wallace)

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (wBMGD)
---
So it's a BRAVEHEART review!

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (vDqXW)

265 163 I was afraid of exactly that, D's would chummy up and it would be all bi-partisan but of course the D's would get their way more.

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2018 08:12 PM (aC6Sd)

266 243 234 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (CPk0

I don't understand.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (2DOZq)

It's Chinatown, Jake.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (CPk0

Again you lost me.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

267 So, in summary, the left is a fag.

I've been trying to tell you guys!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2018 08:12 PM (Sfs6o)

268 All you have to do is get yourself banned if you feel like somebody is watching you on this site

Cobs and Ace I pray would understand

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:12 PM (g4lFK)

269 Joe Katzman's use of "Diversity Pokemon Points" in his article (Gotta catch 'em all!) is making my heart aflutter a little. Brilliant succinct name for it.

Don't worry Ace, you are still my favorite! Excellent essay on the ruling class. Pondering sending it to a few ppl I know and see if I can redpill them a bit from the left or the GOPe.

Posted by: LizLem at January 17, 2018 08:13 PM (hvf9s)

270 Just thinking how PDT made countless lefties type "fake news" in order to follow the story.

Too funny.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 08:13 PM (ul9CR)

271 Must be the MSM looking to see if they got a "Red badge of Courage".
Posted by: johnd01 at January 17, 2018 08:01 PM (nVmgE)

It is unlikely that they will ever collect the requisite Four Feathers, or even know that they should.

Posted by: Miklos, just Miklos at January 17, 2018 08:13 PM (zCyNd)

272 Top 5 Fake News stories on TuCa now

Posted by: jsg at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (0gGpe)

273 Hey, now! My husband loves leftover meatloaf! Me, not so much.

Meat elitists!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (ptqGC)

274 >>Unacceptable by whose standards being framed 24/7 on every radio and news station.

>>A good Christian conseravtive was crucified and the conservatives do nothing.

>>Christians are not subhuman disposable trash!

You can think whatever you want but apparently enough Alabamians didn't think that much of Moore long before this past race to support him and didn't think all that much of him this race.

All I heard here before the race was the national GOP didn't matter in Alabama because they were all RINOs and Alabama didn't care what they thought. Now all I hear is that the reason he didn't win against a guy who supports partial birth abortion pretty much till the baby is enrolled in college and other far left positions is because Mitch McConnell didn't bless him.

The whole race was a clusterfuck. If Bannon hadn't gotten involved and Luther Strange, the candidate Trump loudly and publicly and repeatedly had won the primary, there would be two Republican senators from Alabama right now instead of one.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (/tuJf)

275 Being a Christian is not for the faint of heart.
Posted by: tcn in AK at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (7UW64)
---
Jesus would like us "wise as serpents" and that's a part that seldom gets considered. I'm trying to inject some "street smarts" into my church, and it just seems a foreign invasion to a lot of people--which, in Christ, I respect their pushback.

Posted by: Axeman at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (vDqXW)

276 Paul Krugman Wins !!

Posted by: jsg at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (0gGpe)

277 It's funny to see the quality people that are granted high lefty status. A complete reversal from what I was brought up with.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (cW490)

278 Apple announced they are investing $350B in the US and giving every employee $2500 bonus due to the tax cuts.

Paging Nancy...Paging Nancy....

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (1JAxC)

279 Mary Eberstadt, It's Dangerous to Believe: Religious Freedom and Its Enemies.

Good book. Very specific to this topic. Leftism or progressivism is a religion, complete with witch hunts.

Posted by: tcn in AK at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (7UW64)

280 1 >>>It's time for pitchforks

i have a spare i can loan you
Posted by: concrete girl at January 17, 2018 07:22 PM (C6eZV)

Does the AoS Style Guide allow a manure fork in lieu of a pitchfork?

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 17, 2018 08:15 PM (di1hb)

281 I see a Braveheart analogy here...

The Lords of the Left = Edward "Longshanks"

The much-missed EoJ called Barry "Lord Rainbowshanks."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2018 08:15 PM (ptqGC)

282 The 'anti-Semitic' smear on JBS was standard Soviet practice. Before Hitler, twas Stalin who racked up the Jew-kills bigly. And after the war, Joe planned to deport his own Jewish population en toto.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet

IIRC, a Soviet defector in the 80s told the people debriefing him that the Soviet leadership feared "Reagan, AIDS, and the Jews. Not necessarily in that order".

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 17, 2018 08:15 PM (5wCUq)

283 And Krugman is the winner for his starring role in "The Market Will Never Recover"

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 08:15 PM (ul9CR)

284 @264 Longshanks: "The trouble with Congress is that it's full of conservatives."

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 17, 2018 08:16 PM (wBMGD)

285 The 'anti-Semitic' smear on JBS was standard Soviet practice. Before Hitler, twas Stalin who racked up the Jew-kills bigly. And after the war, Joe planned to deport his own Jewish population en toto.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (fA1SL)

" "

Posted by: Stalin's Doctors at January 17, 2018 08:16 PM (zCyNd)

286 As to leaving lil green aholes; I left quietly and when they/he found out I was over at blogmocracy, they banned me!

I didn't even get to flounce. dang it.

Sometimes you just walk away and other times you want to leave a mark.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 17, 2018 08:16 PM (RwBDG)

287 "Dickin around" ?

Posted by: E.T. at January 17, 2018 08:17 PM (P1GJy)

288 267 So, in summary, the left is a fag.

I've been trying to tell you guys!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2018 08:12 PM (Sfs6o)

And their shit's all retarded. If only we'd listened!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 17, 2018 08:17 PM (4ErVI)

289 The media is a tauntaun and Trump is Luke Shywalker.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 17, 2018 08:17 PM (+y/Ru)

290 278 Apple announced they are investing $350B in the US and giving every employee $2500 bonus due to the tax cuts.

Paging Nancy...Paging Nancy....

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (1JAxC)

============

Finally -- the Obama Recovery!!!

Posted by: ShainS at January 17, 2018 08:17 PM (BiLU+)

291 266 243 234 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (CPk0

I don't understand.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (2DOZq)

It's Chinatown, Jake.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (CPk0

Again you lost me.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:17 PM (CPk08)

292 The right is desperate for some cultural credibility.

Some well-heeled republicans need to purchase/start media or tech enterprises to compete in the cultural space. Movies/TV shows/social media etc, that reinforce conservative values.

Posted by: Revenant at January 17, 2018 08:18 PM (yXLbm)

293 Evangelical atheists are universally the most despicable people I have ever met.

I understand not believing, I don't understand being a colossal dick about it.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at January 17, 2018 08:18 PM (fftfA)

294 I found the whole "Lord" analogy interesting. So far as we have an ultimate ruler, it is King Trump. Cross him at your peril. We do not have many reliable elite commentators, the Kristols and Goldbergs and Douthats, but do we need them? When Stephens and Frum cross aisles so blithely, it is a sure sign they are intellectual mercenaries. And we need those like a hole in the head. What we need are loyal soldiers. Knights, peasants, whatever. The pledge is the thing.

As President Trump wholly demolishes expert consensus on foreign policy and economics, it is clear that ANYONE can step in to fill in the gap. I just decided to work on it myself. And given how articulate some of you are, you can too.

Be Breitbart yo.

Posted by: trev006 at January 17, 2018 08:18 PM (jRA31)

295 291 266 243 234 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:05 PM (CPk0

I don't understand.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (2DOZq)

It's Chinatown, Jake.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (CPk0

Again you lost me.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:17 PM (CPk0

Can the existentialism guys.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 17, 2018 08:18 PM (sZJfc)

296 Hey, now! My husband loves leftover meatloaf! Me, not so much.

Meat elitists!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (ptqGC)

-------

I love meat loaf leftovers too. I make two them at a time, and have big ass inch thick meatloaf slice sandwiches for lunch or dinner for a week.

Posted by: Speed Racer at January 17, 2018 08:19 PM (j/7lG)

297 -
--
The 'anti-Semitic' smear on JBS was standard Soviet practice. Before
Hitler, twas Stalin who racked up the Jew-kills bigly. And after the
war, Joe planned to deport his own Jewish population en toto.

--------------------------------------

I like the Tribe as well as the next gal, but I don't think the dog can carry everybody.

Posted by: Dorothy at January 17, 2018 08:19 PM (RVcmP)

298 Axeman, great response.

Let's say Moore was a 100% shitty candidate. The Republican Party and it's leadership STILL had an obligation to support the candidate in the election.

Either you support the Republican nominee or your not really Republican, just a grifter con man (like McConnell) getting rich sucking off the public teat (like McConnell).

Posted by: MAGA at January 17, 2018 08:19 PM (LnOh3)

299 >>You did not describe the theory of a binary choice. You described what people say that disagree that it's a binary choice.

I don't believe in simplistic theories. I believe that people are complex and sometimes they will say I don't are how bad the alternative is I am not voting for a person just because the other sucks worse.

If Hillary hadn't been the worst Democrat nominee maybe ever, we would be having the same discussion about Trump right now. Trump won but he had a major assist from Hillary being unbelievably bad. It would be a mistake to think otherwise.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:19 PM (/tuJf)

300 Commiies/Marxists/Muslims have killed 10s of millions of Christians the past 100 years. Sought them out for being Christian. Probably on the higher end of the 10s of millions.

I'm fucking sick and tired of the anti-Christian bullshit that is always on the attack coming from DC area, NYC area, Hollywood, San Fran, and academia.

Tired of spineless people of the faith sitting on their hands and keeping their mouths closed when it's obvious that good Christian leaders are targeted when they become a threat to the established order.

Oh but Mike Pence got the some Christians 55 million.... Pennies is what that amounts to.

Radical Christianity when?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:19 PM (g4lFK)

301 282 The 'anti-Semitic' smear on JBS was standard Soviet practice. Before Hitler, twas Stalin who racked up the Jew-kills bigly. And after the war, Joe planned to deport his own Jewish population en toto.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet

Trotsky declined a more public position because he knew being Jewish would hurt the communist efforts.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:20 PM (2DOZq)

302 292
The right is desperate for some cultural credibility.

Some
well-heeled republicans need to purchase/start media or tech enterprises
to compete in the cultural space. Movies/TV shows/social media etc,
that reinforce conservative values.

Posted by: Revenant at January 17, 2018 08:18 PM (yXLbm)

___Yes but do it subtly. Don't call it "conservative programming". Liberals never call anything on TV "liberal shows". They're just shows. That's what's needed on the right. Make movies and TV shows that are entertaining, but with a conservative tilt, but without the in your face HEY CHECK THIS OUT WE ARE CONSERVATIVE!!!! marketing

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:20 PM (1JAxC)

303 How's Krugman gonna spin this? There's no room to wiggle. He was as dead wrong as wrong can be. No response from him yet and one can see why.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 08:20 PM (ul9CR)

304 Apple announced they are investing $350B in the US and giving every employee $2500 bonus due to the tax cuts.

Paging Nancy...Paging Nancy....

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:14 PM (1JAxC)

Barry O: Don't everyone thank me all at once

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2018 08:20 PM (SiINZ)

305 Well, RightWing News is going out of business because they say Facebook is choking off their visibility and shares.

We've got the Executive Branch. We need to get vengeful about these companies getting froggy with the public discourse.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 17, 2018 07:28 PM (oVJmc)

Expecting Facebook to promote RightWing News is like expecting Der Sturmer to carry ads for Bar Mitzvah celebrations.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2018 08:20 PM (sD2WN)

306 If Adolf Stalin were alive today, he'd show Donald Trump a thing or two!

Posted by: Duh Left at January 17, 2018 08:21 PM (cW490)

307 I thought it was going to be a live event. I has a sad.
Posted by: josephistan at January 17, 2018 08:04 PM (ANIFC)

The first Oscars event wasn't broadcast live either. Trump has 7 more years (God willing) to make it so. We had to endure two terms of Obama having a live reading of his stupid b-ball bracket, please POTUS give us this!

Posted by: LizLem at January 17, 2018 08:21 PM (hvf9s)

308 ''As to leaving lil green aholes; I left quietly and when they/he found out I was over at blogmocracy, they banned me!

I didn't even get to flounce. dang it.

Sometimes you just walk away and other times you want to leave a mark.''

I just walked away. It was obvious something had seriously gone astray. Never got a chance to be banned.

Posted by: Tuna at January 17, 2018 08:21 PM (jm1YL)

309 I don't understand.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (2DOZq)

It's Chinatown, Jake.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (CPk0

Again you lost me.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In

I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 17, 2018 08:21 PM (+y/Ru)

310
Nothing wrong with leftover meatloaf. The flavors have a chance to age and commingle better. Lots of things taste better as leftovers.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 08:21 PM (9YJIO)

311 How's Krugman gonna spin this? There's no room to wiggle. He was as dead wrong as wrong can be. No response from him yet and one can see why.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 08:20 PM (ul9CR)

He won't even acknowledge it. Lefties live in their own world. Reality is not welcome there

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2018 08:21 PM (SiINZ)

312 Absolutely spot on. This observation summarizes the last twenty years of the Republican party, and explains why we commoners scream at the screen when the "leaders" of our movement open their mouths on camera.....and out comes an apologetic mouse. The left, on the other hand, is a thousand-toothed maw that grinds up everything opposed to it. Or so the media tell us.

Posted by: DZouave at January 17, 2018 08:21 PM (9/QQm)

313 They were absolutely overblown and outright false. I did some research on some of these groups from back in the 1950s years ago in school and read a few things related the JBS. They actually kicked out anyone who professed anti-semitism, including one of the founders. Revilo Oliver I think it was (cool palindrome name, dude!).

As far as the racism, they were opposed to busing. So were most people, actually, and that included both Whites and Blacks. No one except government bureaucrats and race hustlers liked using kids as pawns.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 17, 2018 08:11 PM (4ErVI)

He was a bit before my time but I wasn't a big WFB fan. His statements of conservative principles were spot on, of course, but he seemed to attract a lot of country clubbers who liked him because he used big words but didn't think so highly of the small business guy busting his hump to get his share of the American Dream. They didn't seem so supportive of Goldwater or Reagan imo; and if they tolerated RR it was only because he won. Reagan never turned his back on Goldwater, no matter how attractive that was.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2018 08:21 PM (y7DUB)

314 293 Evangelical atheists are universally the most despicable people I have ever met.

I understand not believing, I don't understand being a colossal dick about it.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at January 17, 2018 08:18 PM (fftfA)

It is simply a reflection of their deep unhappiness, and, seeing the joy of committed Christians, they have to belittle and lash out.

Much like a toddler.

They don't understand Christians, or Christ, or Christianity, and they are too stubborn and selfish to listen or learn. So, they build a few straw men and commence to bashing them.

Posted by: tcn in AK at January 17, 2018 08:22 PM (7UW64)

315 * off to walk it off*

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:22 PM (g4lFK)

316 309 I don't understand.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM (2DOZq)

It's Chinatown, Jake.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (CPk0

Again you lost me.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In

I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 17, 2018 08:21 PM (+y/Ru)

Ah.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:22 PM (CPk08)

317 America has not been polarized, we've been tribalized. This is what identity politics does.

We are the Red tribe. The Left is the Blue tribe.

If you want to be a member of the Blue tribe you will have to adopt Blue tribe ideology, along with their other customs and social mores. But the only real ideology of the Blue tribe is "The Blue tribe is always right."

Sometimes semi-treasonous members of the Red tribe like Mitt Romney and John McCain think they are popular with the Blue tribe so they try to run for POTUS. They quickly discover that the Blue tribe hates them too.

When Trump took over leadership of the Red tribe, the semi-treasonous members of the Red tribe were stripped of their status and therefore they despise Trump.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at January 17, 2018 08:22 PM (5fSr7)

318 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:17 PM (CPk0

What? I don't get ?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:23 PM (2DOZq)

319 I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel

But whatever happened to Baby Jane?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 17, 2018 08:23 PM (5wCUq)

320 Martha McSally just said on TuCa that "Dems need to stop dicking around" with the troops on the shutdown. I think I'm in love.

Posted by: Coolhandluke at January 17, 2018 08:23 PM (ZeVko)

321 Dean Wormer, I agree.

Posted by: cfo mom at January 17, 2018 08:23 PM (RfzVr)

322 Martha Mcsally was on tucker, and just said the dems are "dicking" around while our troops risk their lives.

Commander Ivanova lives.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 17, 2018 08:23 PM (aMlLZ)

323 So...Trump's plan was to just force the whole MFM to talk about the economy by awarding Krugman. Brilliant, actually.

But my guess is the MFM will quickly lose interest in the Fake News Awards rather than talk up the economy.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 17, 2018 08:23 PM (ul9CR)

324 Fake News top 5

5) Washington Post over a rally being empty by using a before the rally pic

4) Time falsely reporting he had a bust of MLK Jr removed

3) CNN reporting Trump and DT Jr had access to hacked WikiLeaks documents before the public did

2) ABC News Brian Ross reporting Flynn pleading guilty of lying and causing stock market to bomb

1) Paul Krugman saying economy would never recover

Posted by: jsg at January 17, 2018 08:24 PM (0gGpe)

325 Sometimes semi-treasonous members of the Red tribe like Mitt Romney and
John McCain think they are popular with the Blue tribe so they try to
run for POTUS. They quickly discover that the Blue tribe hates them
too.

This is the part of Mittens and McCancer that I really don't understand. You'd think if any two people on earth would understand how vile and vicious the left is, it's these two. And yet, they still desperately want to be loved by the left. I really don't get it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:24 PM (1JAxC)

326 293 Evangelical atheists are universally the most despicable people I have ever met.

I understand not believing, I don't understand being a colossal dick about it.
Posted by: Dean Wormer at January 17, 2018 08:18 PM (fftfA)

I agree. I'm an agnostic, and I do not possess the megalomaniacal ego that would be required to proclaim that there is no God, and anyone who believes is a stupid poopyhead.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 08:24 PM (sdi6R)

327 Okay I guess Alcoholic Asshole has a short memeory. He did the same thing to me a few days ago on the art thread.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:24 PM (2DOZq)

328 not for nothin' but cory booker was a bit of a sex predator back in the day. It'd be a shame if anyone looked into this.

Posted by: bada bing vip club card holder at January 17, 2018 08:25 PM (V3U1L)

329 Poor husband just arrived back home after trying for the third time in two days to fly to Arkansas on a major business trip.

Fortunately, we have leftover meatloaf.

And Fox showing the Rapist lying to us over Monica again. Millennials need to see this and have some knowledge put to them.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2018 07:36 PM (ptqGC)

Isn't this like a one-day road trip? Two, at most?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2018 08:25 PM (sD2WN)

330 302:

Yes, exactly right. They're just shows. And the network owners won't cancel them for being conservative (like Tim Allen's show)

Conservative culture has taken such a beating for so long that you could legitimately have a counter-culture form...

.. And a counter-culture becomes the new "cool" thing.

Posted by: Revenant at January 17, 2018 08:25 PM (yXLbm)

331 OMG OMG OMG she said Dick on national TV....where is my fainting couch

- #Salon25

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:25 PM (1JAxC)

332
How about a swift kick in the ass award to Jeff Flakey? I'd like to give that one to him myself

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2018 08:25 PM (SiINZ)

333 268 Monk - you know something I don't know?
I sat my tablet down and the screen was jumping around, enlargeing in and out.
Very strange.

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2018 08:25 PM (aC6Sd)

334 The establishment right/the self-claimed #SmartSet continues to act as if the cultural left has this lordly power because the lords of the left return the favor in a small way, permitting those on the nominal right who salute the flag of the left to at least attend their courts and hold on to the meager privileges of very low-level nobility.

========

Ie. sold us out in order to be token conservatives with their own shows, guest appearances or columns within liberal media venues. Or GOPe politicians left alone so long as they turn a blind eye to the worst bits of liberal policies.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 17, 2018 08:26 PM (/qEW2)

335 Anyone who has worked in real estate has met a Trump before. His tactics are not even that uncommon.

The goal in a deal is to wrong foot your opponent. Get him interested in meaningless things. Get him pissed so he does dumb stuff. That is Trump's gift. And for some reason lefties have no idea how to respond - probably because they have never had real jobs.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at January 17, 2018 08:26 PM (fftfA)

336 327 Okay I guess Alcoholic Asshole has a short memeory. He did the same thing to me a few days ago on the art thread.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:24 PM (2DOZq)

What are you talking about?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:26 PM (CPk08)

337 Martha McSally just said on TuCa that "Dems need to stop dicking around" with the troops on the shutdown. I think I'm in love.

Posted by: Coolhandluke at January 17, 2018 08:23 PM (ZeVko)

That was awesome.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 17, 2018 08:26 PM (aMlLZ)

338
I make a distinction between atheists (as a personal matter) and anti-Christian bigots and haters.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 08:27 PM (85P/p)

339 The goal in a deal is to wrong foot your opponent.
Get him interested in meaningless things. Get him pissed so he does
dumb stuff. That is Trump's gift. And for some reason lefties have no
idea how to respond - probably because they have never had real jobs.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at January 17, 2018 08:26 PM (fftfA)

___
You mean tweeting 2783 times a day isn't a real job?

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:27 PM (1JAxC)

340 Thanks to our wonderful immigration system, our fair city now has the largest number of practicing witchdoctors in America, for all your anti-hexing needs. Diversity is our Vibrancy!
Posted by: Minneapolis Chamber of Commerce at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM

That's adorable.

Posted by: Salem, MA at January 17, 2018 08:27 PM (xPipT)

341 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 17, 2018 08:26 PM (CPk0

Heh

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:27 PM (2DOZq)

342 Think about DACA - Trump holds all the cards. He says he want to help these poor kids, and if only the dems would give him $20 billion for the wall...but they would rather play games. Sigh. They are not worth $20 billion to the Dems.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at January 17, 2018 08:27 PM (fftfA)

343 Tuck interviewing a Chicago politician.

You can only imagine. My eyes are rolling to the moon.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #FiretheChiefsDC at January 17, 2018 08:28 PM (5Azle)

344 Cardenas is a penis

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2018 08:28 PM (IqV8l)

345 Dean Wormer - that was in reference to the progs being mad about debasing themselves for naught, although I also agree about the militant atheists.

Posted by: cfo mom at January 17, 2018 08:28 PM (RfzVr)

346 That was incredible.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM (/tuJf)

347 Masturbatin' Pete at January 17, 2018 07:45 PM (xN1DB)

What's great about Ace of Spades HQ is a guy named Masturbatin' Pete makes more sense than a lot of pundits.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM (dKiJG)

348 This is the part of Mittens and McCancer that I really don't understand. You'd think if any two people on earth would understand how vile and vicious the left is, it's these two. And yet, they still desperately want to be loved by the left. I really don't get it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:24 PM (1JAxC)

=============

Self-hatred (or what Ayn Rand termed "Unearned Guilt.") -- why you don't get it.

Posted by: ShainS at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM (BiLU+)

349 He called him a "loathsome demagogue"...loving it!

Posted by: Shopgirl: #FiretheChiefsDC at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM (5Azle)

350 317
We are the Red tribe. The Left is the Blue tribe.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at January 17, 2018 08:22 PM (5fSr7)

Hold it right there.

The Left are the Reds, and always have been.

It was the media who turned Republicans Red and Democrats Blue.

We have to stop accepting the Left's definitions and setting the terms of debate.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM (sdi6R)

351 A shorter way to say this is just to quote Andrew Breitbart: "Politics is downstream of culture."

Even shorter: Fuck You. War.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM (z79tQ)

352 Leftover pizza is better hot and fresh pizza a solid 72% of the time

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM (1JAxC)

353 328 not for nothin' but cory booker was a bit of a sex predator back in the day. It'd be a shame if anyone looked into this.

Posted by: bada bing vip club card holder at January 17, 2018 08:25 PM (V3U1L)

My homey would have never done that!

Posted by: T-Bone at January 17, 2018 08:30 PM (itfg0)

354 Better THAN hot and fresh that is

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:30 PM (1JAxC)

355 FFS, next time warn us that this will be tl;dr....

Posted by: Ted Striker's Polka Hits at January 17, 2018 08:30 PM (J86xe)

356 I have no idea why the caged bird sings.

Perhaps it's stupid.

Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2018 08:31 PM (+lOpA)

357 Great post. Coincidentally, today on Twitter the NeverTrump Ben Howe, who actively tried to get Hillary elected because his 'true con' principles can't stomach the vulgar, adulterous Trump, responded to me calling him out on his hypocrisy, that I should have a loftier goal than (qoute) 'gaining the ire of my betters'

lol that dumb mofo said that *without irony*

Posted by: Venus at January 17, 2018 08:31 PM (+51lA)

358 Martha McSally saying "dick" on national TV is the reason Arpaio needs to drop out of that Senate race. Immediately.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #FiretheChiefsDC at January 17, 2018 08:31 PM (5Azle)

359
Leftover cold pizza. Breakfast of champions.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 08:32 PM (O/WEf)

360
ABC - Trump claims credit for what is still mostly Obama's economy

The stagnant economy under Barry was all Bush's fault. The booming economy under Trump is all to Barry's credit. The world of delusion the MFM lives in

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2018 08:32 PM (SiINZ)

361 Sometimes semi-treasonous members of the Red tribe like Mitt Romney and
John McCain think they are popular with the Blue tribe so they try to
run for POTUS. They quickly discover that the Blue tribe hates them
too.

This is the part of Mittens and McCancer that I really don't understand. You'd think if any two people on earth would understand how vile and vicious the left is, it's these two. And yet, they still desperately want to be loved by the left. I really don't get it.
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:24 PM (1JAxC)

--------

Proof that the GOPe were comfortable being a Country Club minority? Running Warhawk McStain when the country was sick of war. Then running Romney when he was the one and only candidate that couldnot fight about Commiecare because Romneycare. Then Yeb! when the big issue was illegals.

Thy are acting, as a party, as I expected, like the dog who caught the car and has no idea what to do now with Donnie Two Scoops as the face and head of their party.

Posted by: Speed Racer at January 17, 2018 08:32 PM (j/7lG)

362 not for nothin' but cory booker was a bit of a sex predator back in the day. It'd be a shame if anyone looked into this.

Posted by: bada bing vip club card holder at January 17, 2018 08:25 PM (V3U1L)

My homey would have never done that!
Posted by: T-Bone

You said it!

Posted by: Flap Jack at January 17, 2018 08:33 PM (+y/Ru)

363 Are you sure this is the "short version?"

But a good piece, ace. I just want Trump to keep confounding them.

Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2018 08:33 PM (kNasr)

364 'I have no idea why the caged bird sings.'

Whadya think I'm gonna do, tap dance?

Posted by: the caged bird at January 17, 2018 08:33 PM (UdKB7)

365 This is the part of Mittens and McCancer that I really don't understand. You'd think if any two people on earth would understand how vile and vicious the left is, it's these two. And yet, they still desperately want to be loved by the left. I really don't get it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:24 PM (1JAxC)

"Conservatives" like Mittens and McStain know that the left never quits and will eventually be back in power, so they're posturing for a future seat at the foot of the table to capture the crumbs allotted to the sub-noble class.

Posted by: Perry Helion at January 17, 2018 08:34 PM (gwPgz)

366 360

ABC - Trump claims credit for what is still mostly Obama's economy

The stagnant economy under Barry was all Bush's fault. The booming
economy under Trump is all to Barry's credit. The world of delusion the
MFM lives in

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2018 08:32 PM (SiINZ)
____
9/11 was 10000% Bush's fault.Well into 2018, all the good stuff is still Obama's doing.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:34 PM (1JAxC)

367 350 317
We are the Red tribe. The Left is the Blue tribe.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at January 17, 2018 08:22 PM (5fSr7)

Hold it right there.

The Left are the Reds, and always have been.

It was the media who turned Republicans Red and Democrats Blue.

We have to stop accepting the Left's definitions and setting the terms of debate.
Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM (sdi6R)

True.

I remember when the treasonous fuckwits in the media stopped alternating which party was red and blue in elections.

It was a calculated smear against the Right.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 17, 2018 08:34 PM (xJa6I)

368 ''Leftover cold pizza. Breakfast of champions. ''

Plus a nice cup of black coffee. My husband actually takes the time to heat leftover pizza in the microwave.

Posted by: Tuna at January 17, 2018 08:35 PM (jm1YL)

369 Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 17, 2018 08:15 PM (di1hb)

as you wish

Posted by: concrete girl at January 17, 2018 08:35 PM (C6eZV)

370 Thanks to our wonderful immigration system, our fair city now has the largest number of practicing witchdoctors in America, for all your anti-hexing needs. Diversity is our Vibrancy!
Posted by: Minneapolis Chamber of Commerce at January 17, 2018 08:06 PM

We can take those bastards. Any. Day.

Posted by: Miklos and his very special Haitian friends at January 17, 2018 08:35 PM (zCyNd)

371 ABC - Trump claims credit for what is still mostly Obama's economy

-
Dude, you're going to have to wait until next year. This years Fake News Awards are already in.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at January 17, 2018 08:35 PM (+y/Ru)

372 Toaster oven >>>>> Microwave.

::protip::

Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2018 08:36 PM (+lOpA)

373 This is the part of Mittens and McCancer that I really don't understand. You'd think if any two people on earth would understand how vile and vicious the left is, it's these two. And yet, they still desperately want to be loved by the left. I really don't get it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:24 PM (1JAxC)

They're cucks plain and simple. They'd sit there and cheer on the Paolo has he rogered their wives

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2018 08:36 PM (SiINZ)

374 I should have a loftier goal than (qoute) 'gaining the ire of my betters'

lol that dumb mofo said that *without irony*

Posted by: Venus at January 17, 2018 08:31 PM (+51lA)

He was just telling it like he sees it!

Posted by: Perry Helion at January 17, 2018 08:36 PM (gwPgz)

375 Red Tribe, hell.

We are the true heirs to the Enlightenment, the Sons and Daughters of Liberty.

Nothing less.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, this space for rent! Call 1-800-MORON-AD for details! at January 17, 2018 08:37 PM (lLeln)

376 Beginning my first evening alone with a wee dram.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 08:38 PM (0plml)

377 ABC - Trump claims credit for what is still mostly Obama's economy

Was there a quantifiable timeline between the Bush and Obama economies? Maybe Trump should claim, like Dog-eat-Dog, that he inherited the Bush economy.

Posted by: Miklos and his Econ degree in the solution of rust remover at January 17, 2018 08:39 PM (zCyNd)

378 Sort of partially don't agree. In a way.

There's a lot of politics that is politics, not culture, and in that sphere the non-racist, non-authoritarians (as close as I'll come to saying "the right") has long needed to fight directly, substantively, and harshly.

Ridicule and mockery can be specific, substantive. Doesn't have to be general. Trump's insults to various deserving parties is fine, but there should be surrogates/allies, already in the public square, who take it to another level.

Of course there aren't, which isn't Trump's fault.

But the entire struggle doesn't have to consist of lowering someone social status - whatever that really means, in a practical sense. There's lots of room for taking on the most important pernicious lies and myths and nastily eviscerating them, and excoriating their proponents. Neutrals and some sheep will notice and understand. And resetting the framework for serious discussion, over time, works, and changes everything.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2018 08:39 PM (QDnY+)

379 Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:19 PM (/tuJf)

Jack, if anyone in either party was doing their alleged job, Trump would never have made it out of the primary. His whole political platform was good, but trade in particular was kryptonite to FAB. They learned the lesson about being tailored to your opponent's weaknesses far too late, hence President Oprah, but re-elections are a referendum on your life under the incumbent.

Which is why Trump could win today, and almost certainly will win if the Uniparty is dumb enough to shut down the gov.

Posted by: trev006 at January 17, 2018 08:39 PM (jRA31)

380 Mittens is hoping for a reach around. McCancer hopes he goes in his sleep.

Posted by: torabora at January 17, 2018 08:40 PM (juH7x)

381 I guess this is why calling lefties commie scum back in the good old days was so effective. But now, the lower right nobles have decided that that's soooo lower class. Instead, the left just calls us all racists n shizz while opening the borders and ignoring the laws they don't like while stuffing ballot boxes and we have to grin and eat shit. Lord knows it'd be uncouth to call them out on it.

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 17, 2018 08:40 PM (V3U1L)

382 {{{Northernlurker-ish}}}

Posted by: lin-duh at January 17, 2018 08:40 PM (kufk0)

383 Northernlurker....my condolences.

Posted by: torabora at January 17, 2018 08:41 PM (juH7x)

384 Beginning my first evening alone with a wee dram.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 08:38 PM (0plml)

I'll have one with you, if you allow.

All thoughts and prayers.

Posted by: Miklos Molnar at January 17, 2018 08:41 PM (zCyNd)

385 Dennis Miller

Trump is the last barricade between this country and malevolent fuckhats like that Cardenas guy from Chicago who was just on "Tucker."

Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 17, 2018 08:42 PM (y3aQB)

386 -
--
Hold it right there.

The Left are the Reds, and always have been.

It was the media who turned Republicans Red and Democrats Blue.

We have to stop accepting the Left's definitions and setting the terms of debate.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM

------------------------------

That has bugged the HELL out of me since it happened.
Pinko used to MEAN something.

Don't get me started on the whole "commies on the left, nazis on the right" BULL-FUCKING-SHIT!!!!

I apologize for all the ELEVENTY!!1!11
I get worked up sometimes.

Posted by: irright at January 17, 2018 08:43 PM (RVcmP)

387 ABC - Trump claims credit for what is still mostly Obama's economy

-------

How is this "mostly" Obama's economy? Do tell ABC.

ZIRP is gone, no stimulus, Obamacare neutered, regulations cut, taxes now cut, law and order being restored, trade bargaining restored.

Exactly how is Obama "owner" of what Trump has done over the last 12 months?

Posted by: MAGA at January 17, 2018 08:43 PM (LnOh3)

388 A raised glass in the memory of your loving wife.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 17, 2018 08:43 PM (BFWvf)

389 ABC - Trump claims credit for what is still mostly Obama's economy

Sure, the economy that survived is Obama's. The new stuff, i.e., the (re-)growth is Trump's.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 08:43 PM (cW490)

390 Dennis Miller

Trump is the last barricade between this country and malevolent fuckhats like that Cardenas guy from Chicago who was just on "Tucker."
Posted by: MISH McConnell

That man does have a way with words.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 17, 2018 08:44 PM (5wCUq)

391 I hate that I wish McCancer a nasty painful rest of his life. I didn't used to be like that. But they forced me into a) not giving a fuck and b) knowing they'd love for me to suffer, throwing it right back

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 17, 2018 08:44 PM (1JAxC)

392 ABC - Trump claims credit for what is still mostly Obama's economy

Was there a quantifiable timeline between the Bush and Obama economies? Maybe Trump should claim, like Dog-eat-Dog, that he inherited the Bush economy.
Posted by: Miklos and his in the solution of rust remover at January 17, 2018 08:39 PM (zCyNd)

Proposed Trump Twitter -

WRT to the successful economy, I credit the work of Obama most, after him there is nowhere to go but up.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 17, 2018 08:44 PM (Eu5eZ)

393 Evangelical atheists are universally the most despicable people I have ever met.

I understand not believing, I don't understand being a colossal dick about it.

Posted by: Dean Wormer
************************

Their collaborators are worse.

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 08:44 PM (CNm1v)

394 TuCa is a good man and means well, but he is the poster boy for the Right's irrational belief in the power of persuasion through Mowr Speech.

He has lunatics on his air for 60 minutes every week night. He questions, they filibuster, and at the end, they've had a pile of air time with an audience they don't often reach...and TuCa has debate brownie points.

Meh...cut the fuckers off. No more air time. Choke them. And fuck the debate points. People don't care.

Ditto for PDJT...cut Acosta's credentials. Stop giving him your stage.

Posted by: said a random dope at January 17, 2018 08:44 PM (6OUNd)

395 Was there anything the Birchers were wrong about?
The fluoride is a communist plot thing was a stretch, but actually
continual exposure to fluoride has side effects that can be harmful.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 17, 2018 08:07 PM (4ErVI)

The other thing is that sticking it in the water supply is not the most effective way to administer it, and it administers fluoride to things that will get no benefit from it, like adults, and your laundry. Put the damn stuff, in tiny amounts, in food and drinks mainly consumed by children.

How many parents, these days, won't even let their kids drink tap water?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2018 08:45 PM (sD2WN)

396 More: if Obama had literally anything to do with the Trump economy, pulling out of Paris should have caused a collapse. I never knew how to quantify his idiocy before, but trying to take credit for the Trump economy is LOL squared.

Posted by: trev006 at January 17, 2018 08:45 PM (jRA31)

397 Ace still doesn't get Trump and is making this overly complicated.

Trump has Mad Media Skillz which is necessary to beat down MSM and The Borg.

As a politician he's a Rudy Giuliani on a national and even World scale. He'll get judged and re-elected for driving effective change that many said was impossible.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 17, 2018 08:45 PM (pV/54)

398 395. Ice cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 17, 2018 08:46 PM (fA1SL)

399 Northernlurker, I will also pour myself a wee dram and lift a toast to your beloved wife. Sl�inte.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at January 17, 2018 08:46 PM (prxs+)

400 Roy Moore did nothing wrong except be born and live as a Christian Southern Hetero Married man.

That was his sin and the Cons stayed home, the Cons enabled the smear, and the Marxists committed massive voter fraud and the Cons looked the other way remaining silent.

Fucking sick of this bullshit.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:46 PM (g4lFK)

401 Jack, if anyone in either party was doing their alleged job, Trump would never have made it out of the primary. His whole political platform was good, but trade in particular was kryptonite to FAB. They learned the lesson about being tailored to your opponent's weaknesses far too late, hence President Oprah, but re-elections are a referendum on your life under the incumbent.

Which is why Trump could win today, and almost certainly will win if the Uniparty is dumb enough to shut down the gov.
Posted by: trev006 at January 17, 2018 08:39 PM (jRA31)

--------

IMO, there are several reasons Scankles lost, but her biggest blunder seemed to be the "Deplorable and Irredeemable" statement. It was galling showing how much utter contempt she had for over half the Country.

Posted by: Speed Racer at January 17, 2018 08:46 PM (j/7lG)

402 The estimated cost of building 119 miles of bullet train track in the Central Valley has jumped to $10.6 billion, an increase of $2.8 billion from the current budget and up from about $6 billion originally.

Small price to pay for clean, efficient high speed rail. Why, that's just under $1 million per mile.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at January 17, 2018 08:46 PM (+y/Ru)

403 I could accept the notion that both parties are red, since they both seem to embrace globalist socialism, rather than traditional Americanism and free enterprise.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 08:46 PM (sdi6R)

404 We have to stop accepting the Left's definitions and setting the terms of debate.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 08:29 PM

The only insight that Noam Chomsky ever had as a linguistic specialist is that "who determines the vocabulary wins the argument".

Isn't it odd that Chomsky became a wealthy man on the back of USG contracts, mainly the DoD?

Posted by: Miklos sometime linguist, cunningly at January 17, 2018 08:47 PM (zCyNd)

405 As a politician he's a Rudy Giuliani on a national and even World scale. He'll get judged and re-elected for driving effective change that many said was impossible.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 17, 2018 08:45 PM (pV/54)

I love Rudy. Wish he was in Trump's appointments somewhere.

Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2018 08:47 PM (+lOpA)

406 Was there a quantifiable timeline between the Bush and Obama economies?

Not certain he ever claimed an economy while still in office, unless you count the transfer of wealth to the counties surrounding DC

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 08:47 PM (cW490)

407 388 A raised glass in the memory of your loving wife.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 17, 2018 08:43 PM (BFWvf)

I've never met any of you but your love, prayer and support are real. Thank you.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 08:47 PM (0plml)

408
Trump is the last barricade between this country and malevolent fuckhats like that Cardenas guy from Chicago who was just on "Tucker."
Posted by: MISH McConnell

Tucker apologized for calling him a loathsome demagogue.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2018 08:47 PM (IqV8l)

409 yeah, trump just sliced through thousands of regulations, cut taxes, and killed the mandate, and has been in office for over a year...so I can see how idiots would say this is still obama's economy.

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 17, 2018 08:48 PM (V3U1L)

410 375 Red Tribe, hell.

We are the true heirs to the Enlightenment, the Sons and Daughters of Liberty.

Nothing less.
__________________________

Our tribe esteems liberty above all else. The labels don't matter. Sometimes you choose the tribe, sometimes the tribe chooses you.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at January 17, 2018 08:48 PM (5fSr7)

411 How many parents, these days, won't even let their kids drink tap water?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2018 08:45 PM (sD2WN)

It's the level of estrogen in the water supply that explains a lot.

Posted by: Miklos, yep, Miklos at January 17, 2018 08:48 PM (zCyNd)

412 406 Was there a quantifiable timeline between the Bush and Obama economies?

Not certain he ever claimed an economy while still in office, unless you count the transfer of wealth to the counties surrounding DC
_______

simple, everything good is obama/clinton and everthing bad is reagan bush trump. duh

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 17, 2018 08:48 PM (V3U1L)

413 Ice cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet

That's why I only drink rain water and pure grain alcohol. But mostly pure grain alcohol.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 17, 2018 08:49 PM (5wCUq)

414 400 Roy Moore did nothing wrong except be born and live as a Christian Southern Hetero Married man.

That was his sin and the Cons stayed home, the Cons enabled the smear, and the Marxists committed massive voter fraud and the Cons looked the other way remaining silent.

Fucking sick of this bullshit.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:46 PM (g4lFK)

Word.

Christian Southern Hetero Married men have to stick together.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 17, 2018 08:49 PM (itfg0)

415 I'd replace "sub nobles" and "minor courtiers" with "palace eunuchs."

Posted by: MW at January 17, 2018 08:49 PM (wNx6K)

416 I maybe missing something, but... I pay attention to who is NOT ripping Trump.. Not hearing organized labor, the trades, or the infrastructure industries and their spinoffs going after him......
Posted by: kraken

-------------------

where are the big San Francisco protests?

the left isn't stupid, it's evil, what's the game?

you may be right...but I suspect something more nefarious

Posted by: Steve Earle Song Ideas at January 17, 2018 08:50 PM (PvCxa)

417 He did the same thing to me a few days ago on the art thread.

Sooner or later they out themselves.

Posted by: Nathan Lee at January 17, 2018 08:51 PM (CNm1v)

418 https://tinyurl.com/yat9hxcq

------

Nice little view of Obama's economy

https://tinyurl.com/yat9hxcq

Posted by: MAGA at January 17, 2018 08:51 PM (LnOh3)

419 Ace,

It is now DIGITAL.

No ghosting, no multipath problems.

Either the picture comes in fine, or it comes in and drops out repeatedly, or it doesn't work at all.

Have you tried it? Get a cheap antenna, and scan the digital broadcast TV channels. Give it a shot. If the antenna doesn't work, return it.

BTW, most digital channels are UHF.

Posted by: rd at January 17, 2018 08:51 PM (4dz1m)

420 Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 17, 2018 08:49 PM (itfg0)

It may have made sense and been funny if Bill Clinton was ever consider a Southern Evangelical Christian.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 17, 2018 08:52 PM (2DOZq)

421 I agree with everything everyone said.

Now, to read the post and the comments.

Posted by: zombie at January 17, 2018 08:52 PM (42M22)

422 >>Jack, if anyone in either party was doing their alleged job, Trump would never have made it out of the primary. His whole political platform was good, but trade in particular was kryptonite to FAB. They learned the lesson about being tailored to your opponent's weaknesses far too late, hence President Oprah, but re-elections are a referendum on your life under the incumbent.

>>Which is why Trump could win today, and almost certainly will win if the Uniparty is dumb enough to shut down the gov.

Every election stand on it's own, every circumstance is different and it makes no sense to not put every election in the context of the time whether it's incumbency, an open seat or the state of the country.

Eight years of Obama had an affect on the psyche of the electorate that 4 years didn't with an incumbent Obama or in an open seat after 8 years of Bush when Obama beat McCain.

The power of national Parties is clearly waning as evidenced by Trump and the fact that had it not been for massive cheating and the power of Super Delegates in the Democrat Party it is likely that Bernie would have come a lot closer to beating if not out right beaten Hillary.

People put was too much stock in the power of the national Parties these days when the poll after poll shows that people have lost faith in national institutions and are looking for answers outside the traditional paths. Bernie and Trump should be clear evidence of that.

If the economy continues to perform I expect Trump to win re-election in a walk regardless of what the media says or even what the GOP wants.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:52 PM (/tuJf)

423 he estimated cost of building 119 miles of bullet train track in the Central Valley

Ignore the cost. Who can put a price on getting from Bakersfield to Madera and being without a car?

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 08:53 PM (cW490)

424 Northerlurker- Slap has my email waiting for you, as soon as you are ready.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 17, 2018 08:53 PM (BFWvf)

425 http://bit.ly/2Dh1dvv

A new report by Fox News contributor Sara Carter reveals Clinton Foundation hatchet man Sidney Blumenthal was grilled by the FBI in 2016 in connection to the Steele dossier. Last November, Hillary Clinton infamously admitted on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah that her campaign paid for the discredited document.

Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 17, 2018 08:53 PM (y3aQB)

426 I agree with everything everyone said.

Now, to read the post and the comments.

Posted by: zombie at January 17, 2018 08:52 PM (42M22)

Your request to revise and extend your comments is accepted.

Posted by: J. Strom Thurmond, President pro tem at January 17, 2018 08:54 PM (zCyNd)

427 414 400 Roy Moore did nothing wrong except be born and live as a Christian Southern Hetero Married man.

That was his sin and the Cons stayed home, the Cons enabled the smear, and the Marxists committed massive voter fraud and the Cons looked the other way remaining silent.

Fucking sick of this bullshit.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:46 PM (g4lFK)

Word.

Christian Southern Hetero Married men have to stick together.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 17, 2018 08:49 PM (itfg0)

Bill started serving Satan as soon as he took his honeymoon down to Haiti and attended and participated in Voodoo rituals.

Roy Moore caught to keep the 10 Commandments up in Alabama Courthouses defying the Feds.

They could not be more different. But as defined by the establishment from both sides Bill is a Christian Southern Hetero man.

*spit*

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:54 PM (g4lFK)

428 Way late to party, but Trump's #1 on Fake News Awards is Krugman saying on the day he won, the stock market would never recover.

Not fake news per se, but a great choice for number one. Rub their face in the Dow at 26K!

Posted by: Git back 2 yur shitholes at January 17, 2018 08:55 PM (1tGxG)

429 these same treasonous assholes push sad muslim girl with hijab stories more ferociously than actual muslim atrocities or, need it be said, liberals violently attack normies stories.

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 17, 2018 08:55 PM (V3U1L)

430 -
--
It's the level of estrogen in the water supply that explains a lot.

Posted by: Miklos, yep, Miklos at January 17, 2018 08:48 PM

-------------------------------------

What you talking 'bout Willis??

Posted by: Chelsea Manning at January 17, 2018 08:56 PM (RVcmP)

431 and the election of Flake has to show how the left simply infiltrates our side at will. Same with how mcconnell is letting us lose races just to show us peasanets we can FOAD.

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 17, 2018 08:56 PM (V3U1L)

432 395
The other thing is that sticking it in the water supply is not the most effective way to administer it, and it administers fluoride to things that will get no benefit from it, like adults, and your laundry. Put the damn stuff, in tiny amounts, in food and drinks mainly consumed by children.

How many parents, these days, won't even let their kids drink tap water?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2018 08:45 PM (sD2WN)

Maybe it made sense to fluoridate the water in the 40s and 50s; I don't know. That was before my time.

But today we have fluoride toothpaste, fluoride mouthwash, and fluoride treatments at the dentist. Anybody can choose to get fluoride if they wish. There's no need to put it in the water, and in fact, my local water authority does not fluoridate. And they are hardly Birchers.

As far as oral health is concerned, which has had a greater impact, fluoridation or flossing? That's an honest question. I never heard of flossing until I was a teenager, and it seems to help a great deal in preventing gum disease.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 08:57 PM (sdi6R)

433 Northernlurker, I've been missing you in threads all day, but I've been thinking of you continuously. I hope you, your children and grandchildren will envelop each other in love and precious memories of your wonderful wife. There's not really anything I can say except that you will be in my prayers.

Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2018 08:57 PM (kNasr)

434 well, get used to it, every GOP candidate is going to get the Roy Moore, Trump $700K dirt digging bulshit secks allegation special.

and the flakes, ryans, and mcconnels will never defend them

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 17, 2018 08:57 PM (V3U1L)

435 It's all a plot by big Soy.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 17, 2018 08:58 PM (BFWvf)

436 Nice little view of Obama's economy

https://tinyurl.com/yat9hxcq

I'll say! Nice chart.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 08:58 PM (cW490)

437 People put was too much stock in the power of the national Parties these days when the poll after poll shows that people have lost faith in national institutions and are looking for answers outside the traditional paths. Bernie and Trump should be clear evidence of that.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:52 PM (/tuJf)

The number of politicians who collect substantial money for their own PACs, and sometimes share it around, is further proof of this.

Posted by: J. Strom Molnar at January 17, 2018 08:58 PM (zCyNd)

438 Been meaning to reach out to the Horde/Pirate fans...The news about Cutch, SUCKS.

While I get the whole rebuild chatter (we're hearing it in KC now), if owners want fan loyalty, they need to figure out what generates it.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #FiretheChiefsDC at January 17, 2018 08:59 PM (5Azle)

439 The Left are the Reds, and always have been.

It was the media who turned Republicans Red and Democrats Blue.

We have to stop accepting the Left's definitions and setting the terms of debate.

Posted by: rickl at
********************

The commie reds and the pinko faggots have rolled us on that one. The best we can do is to own it and make it clear that a redstate teaparty constitutional conservative is not a red commie.

Posted by: Nathan Lee at January 17, 2018 09:00 PM (CNm1v)

440 >>>getting from Bakersfield to Madera

lol, i thought it was chowchilla to madera

Posted by: concrete girl at January 17, 2018 09:00 PM (C6eZV)

441 Roy Moore caught to keep the 10 Commandments up in Alabama Courthouses defying the Feds.

They could not be more different. But as defined by the establishment from both sides Bill is a Christian Southern Hetero man.

*spit*

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:54 PM (g4lFK)

Roy Moore is about as disingenuous as they come. He talked s**t and people ate it up. Even in Alabama his two statewide wins were fairly narrow (especially compared to how Republicans usually do there). The accusations didn't change people's minds so much as confirmed what people already felt (his and his allies idiotic responses probably sealed that deal).

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:00 PM (itfg0)

442 Exactly right. Dead balls on accurate. Highest marks for all involved.

Posted by: Simplemind at January 17, 2018 09:01 PM (ZuGkg)

443 Why fight for people that refuse to fight for themselves and even work against their own interests?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:01 PM (g4lFK)

444 Beginning my first evening alone with a wee dram.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 08:38 PM (0plml)

Northernlurker, I live about 80 miles out of Calgary, and I am due home from Arizona on Monday. If there is anything I can do to help you, even if it is only to lend a sympathetic ear, please let me know. I know the Cobs have my e-mail, because I got one from MisHum a while back.

And Ace, or Cobs, please pass on my e-mail to Northernlurker, with my blessing.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2018 09:01 PM (sD2WN)

445 -
Contrary to what you've heard, we are not the shithole party.

Posted by: Democraps 2018 at January 17, 2018 09:02 PM (RVcmP)

446 Thank you Bluebell. The horde has been precious to me on this shitholey day. When I talk to people, using my voice, I start falling apart. The horde is a great comfort.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 09:03 PM (0plml)

447 Again, use my name, please to pay.

I would be wonderful immigrant to American Dream, also pardon would be needed.

Posted by: Moses Sithole at January 17, 2018 09:04 PM (zCyNd)

448 444 Beginning my first evening alone with a wee dram.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 08:38 PM (0plml)

Northernlurker, I live about 80 miles out of Calgary, and I am due home from Arizona on Monday. If there is anything I can do to help you, even if it is only to lend a sympathetic ear, please let me know. I know the Cobs have my e-mail, because I got one from MisHum a while back.

And Ace, or Cobs, please pass on my e-mail to Northernlurker, with my blessing.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2018 09:01 PM (

Thank you AOP expect a call from me.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 09:04 PM (0plml)

449 441 Roy Moore caught to keep the 10 Commandments up in Alabama Courthouses defying the Feds.

They could not be more different. But as defined by the establishment from both sides Bill is a Christian Southern Hetero man.

*spit*

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 08:54 PM (g4lFK)

Roy Moore is about as disingenuous as they come. He talked s**t and people ate it up. Even in Alabama his two statewide wins were fairly narrow (especially compared to how Republicans usually do there). The accusations didn't change people's minds so much as confirmed what people already felt (his and his allies idiotic responses probably sealed that deal).
Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:00 PM (itfg0)

Right. Keep fucking that anti-Christian chicken Hat.

Christians do not apply for DC? Christians are expendable at home and on a global level.

The only thing disingenuous was the smear campaign against Moore by the Uniparty and mocking the Southern Christian Man.

Please indulge me on this Christian Love coming from DC and political operatives out of there?

I'll be waiting because all I see is pure hatred and contempt.

Posted by: Mo at January 17, 2018 09:06 PM (g4lFK)

450 Think I'll skip Tick Tock

Posted by: jsg at January 17, 2018 09:07 PM (0gGpe)

451 Trump's manner of engaging with The Blob of left-wing virtue-signalling and status-conferring is to attempt to degrade the left wing cultural Borg of its own social status, thereby reducing its ability to set tastes, serve as "gatekeepers" of what the right-minded people agree are proper attitudes and beliefs, and demonize dissenters.

========

He is doing as best as he can given his position. I hope he can pull it off. His repeated object lessons might eventually have an effect.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 17, 2018 09:07 PM (/qEW2)

452 And Slapweasel has my contact information and my real world name.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 09:07 PM (0plml)

453 >Northernlurker,

My sincere, deepest sympathies.

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at January 17, 2018 09:07 PM (e9G8E)

454 Hat, you cannot defend and justify what happened to Roy Moore. It was criminal and nobody spoke out.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:08 PM (g4lFK)

455 Oh Lordy!

Posted by: James Comey at January 17, 2018 09:08 PM (gGlcw)

456 Politics have never been a "social" thing with me. My opinions on politics have never been a ploy for social standing. I have never voted for anyone on the left side of any political contest and I never will. If more people actually put some thoughts into their values and belief systems we would be better off. I assume that I am not the only moron like myself. I was never a young reflexive leftist.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable!/infadel in training at January 17, 2018 09:08 PM (0OmEj)

457 I mix up the meatlaof and let it set overnight. Kinda like potato salad. When you cook your meatloaf the next day, all of its mix had married. Leftover meatloaf is like leftover potato salad. Righteous food for righteous people. Liberals don't deserve this kind of food.

Posted by: Eromero at January 17, 2018 09:08 PM (zLDYs)

458 northernlurker - my prayers to you and your family.

if you want to talk to someone who isn't emotionally involved e mail me at cfo.........mahm......@ the hotmail. thingy

My first husband died very suddenly and I know what a shock it is.

Posted by: cfo mom at January 17, 2018 09:08 PM (RfzVr)

459 Remember Northern, you're not alone.

And I'll second that call for a dram.

Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at January 17, 2018 09:08 PM (uuwor)

460 "Trump won but he had a major assist from Hillary being unbelievably bad."

Hillary was anointed by the Inner Inner D party in a way that kept out any real competition. She had a political legacy that superficially made her look experienced and competent. She had the full support of an Administration-in-waiting with deep ties throughout the Borg Establishment. She got a multi-billion dollar in-kind contribution from MSM. The incumbent President went all-in for her, to the point of committing multiple felonies.

Hillary was the node of an amazing juggernaut rolling down the hill. It would have crushed the likes of Jeb or Marco.

So give Trump some credit for stopping the juggernaut. He did a lot to turn tables and expose Hillary.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 17, 2018 09:08 PM (pV/54)

461 It is possible to do what ace is saying in an intellectual manner, wtih facts and arguments, you just have to be really in command of your facts and very intelligent. Check out this guy PWNING a lefty Brit newsreaderess. Start from 21:44-23:00 if you really want to get to it, but it's all very very good, best thing I've seen and I fucking hate vids:
https://tinyurl.com/yd2ku35u

Posted by: docweasel at January 17, 2018 09:08 PM (64mym)

462 The horde is a great comfort.
Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 09:03 PM (0plml)

----------

The Horde really is amazing, isn't it? We bicker and joke around, but then when a fellow Hordeling is in need we rally around like no one else. I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's no better place on the internet.

We will be here for you whenever you need us - quite nice that this place is open 24 hours a day!

And some day in the future I hope you'll tell us all about your wife. It sounds like you were lucky enough to have had a long and happy marriage - and a fruitful one, too, judging from your mention of children and grandchildren, too!

Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2018 09:09 PM (kNasr)

463 And Slapweasel has my contact information and my real world name.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 09:07 PM (0plml)

I will try to contact Slapweasel, then. I will be kind of hard to contact through the weekend, since I will be on the road north.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2018 09:10 PM (sD2WN)

464 Right. Keep fucking that anti-Christian chicken Hat.

Christians do not apply for DC? Christians are expendable at home and on a global level.

The only thing disingenuous was the smear campaign against Moore by the Uniparty and mocking the Southern Christian Man.

Please indulge me on this Christian Love coming from DC and political operatives out of there?

I'll be waiting because all I see is pure hatred and contempt.

Posted by: Mo at January 17, 2018 09:06 PM (g4lFK)

That's one hell of a strawman. You're basically saying he's a paragon of Christian spiffyness and anyone who doesn't like him must be a Christian hating swamp dweller?

Just because he virtue signals all the right signals to tickle your fancy doesn't mean that he isn't just a slimy rabble-rousing politician who knows (or knew) what to say to extract votes from people.

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:10 PM (itfg0)

465 118 Trump is the most conservative President we have ever had, even more conservative than Reagan.

Regan allowed himself to be rolled on immigration and was bad on the 2nd amendment.

The sad thing is Trump is an abberation and outlier.

Once hes gone from the scene there is no one that can replace him.

War is coming.

Prepare.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 17, 2018 07:45 PM (femXf)

This is my fear, and why I'm dreading 2020. If Trump is sui generis, one of a kind, a man and not a movement, then nothing has been solved and the tribalism accelerates and goes to open violence. As our esteemed Empress has said, the Tea Party was the people asking politely and Trump is the people yelling. What happens if our voice is gone?

Posted by: joncelli, Deplorable Yet Fuzzy at January 17, 2018 09:10 PM (1FhAQ)

466 Roy Moore is about as disingenuous as they come.

And yet you give not a single example.

How disingenuous.

Posted by: Dat that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:10 PM (YpQ7M)

467 This is a prime example of the wonderful blog posts I come here for

Posted by: son of sonobi at January 17, 2018 09:13 PM (Iynp0)

468 Northernlurker:
It's a tough, painful, lonely time. But you're working with a Horde-shaped net.

Love & prayers to you and yours.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #FiretheChiefsDC at January 17, 2018 09:14 PM (5Azle)

469 Trump is making it safe for people like Cotton to run for higher office. MSM has to be broken and I think it will be.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (pV/54)

470 I had hoped we were past the point at which people who can barely point to Alabama on a map instruct us in the internal state politics of the Heart of Dixie.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (WbIyz)

471 464 Right. Keep fucking that anti-Christian chicken Hat.

Christians do not apply for DC? Christians are expendable at home and on a global level.

The only thing disingenuous was the smear campaign against Moore by the Uniparty and mocking the Southern Christian Man.

Please indulge me on this Christian Love coming from DC and political operatives out of there?

I'll be waiting because all I see is pure hatred and contempt.

Posted by: Mo at January 17, 2018 09:06 PM (g4lFK)

That's one hell of a strawman. You're basically saying he's a paragon of Christian spiffyness and anyone who doesn't like him must be a Christian hating swamp dweller?

Just because he virtue signals all the right signals to tickle your fancy doesn't mean that he isn't just a slimy rabble-rousing politician who knows (or knew) what to say to extract votes from people.
Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:10 PM (itfg0)

10 Commandments in the Alabama Court rooms as listed above. Fought for it tooth and nail. But that's disingenuous. Hell of a virtue signal.

The only thing genuine is how both parties hate Christians but beg for our votes and money.

People are waking up. The establishment should be scared. It's an anti-Christian environment and the Unioarty establishment helped to build it and maintains it.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (g4lFK)

472 Tucker apologized for calling him a loathsome demagogue.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot
-------------

I was surprised by that. Not surprised he said it, but that he said that he wouldn't again. Perhaps he is afraid of scaring off future interviewees. I mean, almost every Prog/Lib/Dem that he interviews is a loathsome demagogue. Now that I think about it, they are the personification of shitholes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (7Cr6v)

473 "I had hoped we were past the point at which people who can barely point to Alabama on a map instruct us in the internal state politics of the Heart of Dixie.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (WbIyz) "

It's the one that looks like a boot, right?

Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (uuwor)

474 >>So give Trump some credit for stopping the juggernaut. He did a lot to turn tables and expose Hillary.

I give him credit but I also think he made it harder on himself than he needed to. I think a lot of people could have beaten her in the general cause she was flat out awful.

She practically had a stroke at the 9/11 anniversary, she sounded like a flat out lunatic with her WHY AM I NOT WINNING BY 50 POINTS YOU MIGHT ASK ad and she actually called half the country "irredeemable deplorables" and these are just some of her many lowlights.

It was more like a scooby van with four flats than a juggernaut but hey he won so it's all good.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (/tuJf)

475 Hat you sound like just another political purist wanking over some idealistic candidate who will fail spectacularly in the real world.

Let me guess.

Romney fan?

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (YpQ7M)

476 466 Roy Moore is about as disingenuous as they come.

And yet you give not a single example.

How disingenuous.

Posted by: Dat that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:10 PM (YpQ7M)

Yet even Trump belittled him after his loss (and Trump was wise enough to not back him in the primary).

Even Huckabee, who could at least give off a vibe of humbleness, dumped on him.

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (itfg0)

477 "This involves a lot of base mockery and ridicule..."

Posted by: Ace at 07:21 PM

Wow. This is a tough one. I can't think of anyone on the Right who is good at this kind of stuff.

Anyone?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (wYseH)

478 I may have trouble sleeping tonight. So I just bore everybody on the ONT. Just for the sake of my aching heart.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (0plml)

479 I had hoped we were past the point at which people who can barely point to Alabama on a map instruct us in the internal state politics of the Heart of Dixie.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (WbIyz)

Fair enough. What's your take on the election?

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (CNm1v)

480 It's the one that looks like a boot, right?

Touche.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (WbIyz)

481 NL- You are in my prayers as messed up and incoherent as they are.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable!/infadel in training at January 17, 2018 09:17 PM (0OmEj)

482 Northernlurker, I've been missing you in threads all day, but I've been thinking of you continuously. I hope you, your children and grandchildren will envelop each other in love and precious memories of your wonderful wife. There's not really anything I can say except that you will be in my prayers.

Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2018 08:57 PM (kNasr)

Anger and snark I have covered; heartfelt not so much.
So I'm appropriating this.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 17, 2018 09:17 PM (z79tQ)

483 Posted by: An Observing Hat

And still not a single example of "sliminess"? Or "typical" politician behavior?

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:17 PM (YpQ7M)

484 Memes similar to "You know who else liked _____?" help defang the leftist's inevitable "yr a nazi" assertion.

Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at January 17, 2018 09:17 PM (4IjGx)

485 had hoped we were past the point at which people who can barely point to Alabama on a map instruct us in the internal state politics of the Heart of Dixie.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (WbIyz)

No shit. Every 2 years it's contempt until election time and it's off to blow the Southern Christian base for money and votes and ignore their promises and pro Christian values policies at home and on a global level.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:18 PM (g4lFK)

486 What's your take on the election?

I was surprised by the outcome. The Republican votes were depressed, obviously, and yet the Democrats allegedly turned out as many voters as they turned out for Hillary. I found that beyond suspicious.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:18 PM (WbIyz)

487
On another site, a Leftie posted a link: "Social Conservatives Should Condemn Trump's Porn-Star Hookup"

My reply:
Your side has no standing whatsoever to dictate whom I should condemn. You have no moral authority. No power. Nothing.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 09:18 PM (5k3EP)

488 343Tuck interviewing a Chicago politician.

You can only imagine. My eyes are rolling to the moon.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #FiretheChiefsDC

Yea, he had his talking points and stuck to them.

The easiest way to find a Chicago alderman on short notice is to head for the nearest Federal prison.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 17, 2018 09:18 PM (0ogQG)

489 Anger and snark I have covered; heartfelt not so much.
So I'm appropriating this.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 17, 2018 09:17 PM (z79tQ)
-----------

Be my guest, Jack, and with my blessing.

Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2018 09:19 PM (kNasr)

490 Social status?

In high school I was a nerd.

For all of my adult life, I'm just some guy who talks on the radio.

I'm way too old and too numb to give a damn about my "social status" now.

People who actively care about that are people I don't have any desire to be around.

Set your own standards, live up to them and treat these poseurs with the contempt they deserve.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2018 07:31 PM (g+uc5)

Great advice.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread on the all-night request line at January 17, 2018 09:19 PM (rJUlF)

491 Oh, I almost forgot. She was also under active FBI investigation for pretty much the entire general election. That's something you don't see every election.

Like never.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:19 PM (/tuJf)

492 470 I had hoped we were past the point at which people who can barely point to Alabama on a map instruct us in the internal state politics of the Heart of Dixie.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (WbIyz)

Isn't that the place where they keep all the National Championship trophies ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 17, 2018 09:19 PM (O7JoB)

493 So I just bore everybody on the ONT.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (0plml)

Heh...you're not alone.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2018 09:20 PM (wYseH)

494 10 Commandments in the Alabama Court rooms as listed above. Fought for it tooth and nail. But that's disingenuous. Hell of a virtue signal.

The only thing genuine is how both parties hate Christians but beg for our votes and money.

People are waking up. The establishment should be scared. It's an anti-Christian environment and the Unioarty establishment helped to build it and maintains it.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (g4lFK)

The 10 Commandments thing did wonders for his political career, and probably helped counter all his obvious flaws.

'Twas not enough.

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:20 PM (itfg0)

495 Eight years of Obama had an affect on the psyche of the electorate that 4 years didn't with an incumbent Obama or in an open seat after 8 years of Bush when Obama beat McCain.�

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 08:52 PM (/tuJf)

I think this is the only part I disagree with in any way. Was the electorate that much less enthused after 8 years of Obama than 4 years? Obviously we were, yes, but we are already on the hard right. Hillary enjoyed a money and press advantage that not even Obama had, and she needed it to make up for her repulsive personality. I think there were a lot of people hurt by globalization that ended up switching from Democrat... and I think it is these people who will most enthusiastically support the Trump economic miracle.

Oprah could seriously make a play for these people if she had a history of advocating specifically for the working man. She does not, and while she could have won in 2008 she stands no chance of being more populist than Trump. Never gonna happen.

Posted by: trev006 at January 17, 2018 09:20 PM (jRA31)

496 I may have trouble sleeping tonight. So I just bore everybody on the ONT. Just for the sake of my aching heart.
Posted by: Northernlurker
---
I'm sure you will. I stared at the ceiling a few nights while trying to sleep after Mrs. TP nbr 1 passed.

Bore us away - we'll be here.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2018 09:20 PM (tr2D7)

497 Just shipped a Truckload Of Dicks (TOD) to Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan. I hope they choke on them.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 17, 2018 09:20 PM (r9UYA)

498 This is my fear, and why I'm dreading 2020. If Trump is sui generis, one of a kind, a man and not a movement, then nothing has been solved and the tribalism accelerates and goes to open violence. As our esteemed Empress has said, the Tea Party was the people asking politely and Trump is the people yelling. What happens if our voice is gone?
Posted by: joncelli, Deplorable Yet Fuzzy at January 17, 2018 09:10 PM (1FhAQ)

They win.

the cold war

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 17, 2018 09:21 PM (z79tQ)

499
The problem is exactly what ace's post states.

This war against leftism does not get won by repeating the navel-gazing and the self-flagellation conservatives and Republicans have perpetuated for 40+ years.

The high road is no longer an option. IF you want to win.

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:21 PM (YpQ7M)

500 So I just bore everybody on the ONT.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (0plml)

Heh...you're not alone.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2018 09:20 PM (wYseH)

Hey...got any more room in this club?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread on the all-night request line at January 17, 2018 09:21 PM (rJUlF)

501 476 466 Roy Moore is about as disingenuous as they come.

And yet you give not a single example.

How disingenuous.

Posted by: Dat that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:10 PM (YpQ7M)

Yet even Trump belittled him after his loss (and Trump was wise enough to not back him in the primary).

Even Huckabee, who could at least give off a vibe of humbleness, dumped on him.
Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (itfg0)

Waiting for your examples of phony Christian Roy Moore only virtue signaling and being sooner fake.

Roy Moore wanted to fight the voter Fraud that took place. This is another example of where the GOPe stabbed him in the back. And I include Trump in this.

Obvious Voter Fraud in Dim Countries being reported. Nope can't have a genuine fighter and Christian in DC. That would rock the boat.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:21 PM (g4lFK)

502 Heh...you're not alone.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2018 09:20 PM (wYseH)
---------------

He said, modestly.

Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2018 09:22 PM (kNasr)

503
As our esteemed Empress has said, the Tea Party was the people asking politely and Trump is the people yelling. What happens if our voice is gone?
Posted by: joncelli, Deplorable Yet Fuzzy

Reminds me of "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2018 09:23 PM (IqV8l)

504 494 10 Commandments in the Alabama Court rooms as listed above. Fought for it tooth and nail. But that's disingenuous. Hell of a virtue signal.

The only thing genuine is how both parties hate Christians but beg for our votes and money.

People are waking up. The establishment should be scared. It's an anti-Christian environment and the Unioarty establishment helped to build it and maintains it.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:15 PM (g4lFK)

The 10 Commandments thing did wonders for his political career, and probably helped counter all his obvious flaws.

'Twas not enough.

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:20 PM (itfg0)

Name the flaws since they are and were so obvious. And not the manufactured ones coming out of DC and DC operatives.

I'll be waiting.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:23 PM (g4lFK)

505 " I think a lot of people could have beaten her in the general cause she was flat out awful."

Trump won because he energized white non-college to turnout, which, because they are over-represented in swing states, swung the Electoral College.

I didn't see anyone else in the field who could have done that (Scott Walker was good in regional theater but couldn't do Broadway).

It's precisely because Romney couldn't get white non-college to get off the couch that he lost.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 17, 2018 09:24 PM (pV/54)

506 Be my guest, Jack, and with my blessing.

Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2018 09:19 PM (kNasr)

thanks

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 17, 2018 09:24 PM (z79tQ)

507 483 Posted by: An Observing Hat

And still not a single example of "sliminess"? Or "typical" politician behavior?

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:17 PM (YpQ7M)

Aside from his sad and pathetic response to the entire hitting on teen girls thing?

Aside from his over the top pseudo-populist hyperbole?

Or that he pretends to be some type of manly alpha male who has the demeanor of a bully?

But yah, he says he fights for you, cares about your feelz, and will protect you from the boogieman.

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:25 PM (itfg0)

508 I see that the Trigglypuffs have their onsies in a bunch over Kid Rock performing at the All-Star game. Something tells me these miscreants think a blue line is designer cocaine.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2018 09:25 PM (Tyii7)

509 Surprise winner of the fake news award, Paul 'the market will crash' Krugman.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2018 09:26 PM (v/qPr)

510 465
This is my fear, and why I'm dreading 2020. If Trump is sui generis, one of a kind, a man and not a movement, then nothing has been solved and the tribalism accelerates and goes to open violence. As our esteemed Empress has said, the Tea Party was the people asking politely and Trump is the people yelling. What happens if our voice is gone?
Posted by: joncelli, Deplorable Yet Fuzzy at January 17, 2018 09:10 PM (1FhAQ)

I'm dreading 2018. I think it's quite possible that the GOPe will throw the midterms, so they can join forces with the Dem half of the swamp for impeachment.

All they have to do is depress the turnout of Republican voters, and that is easy to do.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2018 09:26 PM (sdi6R)

511 Wow. This is a tough one. I can't think of anyone on the Right who is good at this kind of stuff.

Anyone?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (wYseH)

Are you aware of the penal code in this state?

I mean, the part you were not the test case for.

Posted by: This is not a shawade! at January 17, 2018 09:26 PM (zCyNd)

512 Roy Moore faught harder than most than anybody can claim against abortion. Stances on the Constitution. Wanting States Rights. Small government. Pro Christian and Pro Family policies at home.

Sounds like a terrible candidate to run as a republican.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:26 PM (g4lFK)

513 >>I had hoped we were past the point at which people who can barely point to Alabama on a map instruct us in the internal state politics of the Heart of Dixie.

As a resident of an often mocked blue state, I don't feel your pain at all.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:27 PM (/tuJf)

514 In the civil world I imagined we lived in Cruz would have been a good president. We do not live in a civil world and we needed Donald Trump. Trump put on his big boy boots (does he take them off?) and kicked the doors in. _ God bless him.

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 09:28 PM (CNm1v)

515 How hard is this to understand?

Trump won because he treated proper Americans as people worthy of respect, not something you scrape off your shoe.

Think the Dems and GOPe see us that way?

As our esteemed Empress has said, the Tea Party was the people asking politely and Trump is the people yelling. What happens if our voice is gone?
Posted by: joncelli, Deplorable Yet Fuzzy

That, my friend, is when the last box is opened.

You know the one.

God help us all if it comes to that.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, this space for rent! Call 1-800-MORON-AD for details! at January 17, 2018 09:28 PM (lLeln)

516 The Left has made it monetarily profitable to be a liberal. This rises exponentially the higher up the social chain you go. Elected politicians don't suddenly start aping Left-speak because they were particularly persuaded or like cocktail parties or feel like they are in high school again and want to be popular.

They are getting cash money for it. Same with celebs, CEO's etc.

CASH MONEY.

Posted by: Mega at January 17, 2018 09:28 PM (rv0Fo)

517 Wow.

Can't argue with those concrete, objective examples. *eyeroll*

Why don't you admit that the media rolled you. You fell for the mudslinging and the trial by media.

Ask yourself: Where are all of Moore's accusers now?

Yeah.

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:29 PM (YpQ7M)

518 Here's the numbers:

Moore got 651,972 votes in the Special Election.
He got 262,641 of 481,146 cast in the earlier run off.

So the Republicans got votes that didn't bother to vote in the primary and run off, which is good but, the Democrats turned out 673,896 for Doug Jones when Hillary Clinton only got 729,547 votes in 2016.

Trump polled 1,318,255 in 2016.

I just don't feel those Democratic numbers can be legitimate.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:29 PM (WbIyz)

519 As a resident of an often mocked blue state, I don't feel your pain at all.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:27 PM (/tuJf)

Why would anybody mock a state you can walk across in 20 minutes? I would call that adorable!

Posted by: Liz Cheney at January 17, 2018 09:29 PM (zCyNd)

520 505 " I think a lot of people could have beaten her in the general cause she was flat out awful.

She was awful, I believe, because of pressure from Trump. Any other candidate would have excused her every mis-step and face-plant (and we know that because they did). Nobody else would have dared say, "...you'd be in jail!" Nobody but Trump was going to get the Fuck You! vote. Thank God he did.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 09:30 PM (cW490)

521 No ghosting, no multipath problems.

Multipath is even worse with current digital signals than with the old analog. With analog, it would result in an often watchable but annoying ghosting. With digital, the tv will be unable to display anything, because it can't combine two slightly off-time signals like analog can.

Such as when a car goes by. Ask me how I know.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 17, 2018 09:30 PM (2lndx)

522 Trump won because he energized white non-college to turnout, which, because they are over-represented in swing states, swung the Electoral College.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 17, 2018 09:24 PM (pV/54)

Nationalist and Populist. Many don't like the connotation ... but its a winning strategy. One that neither party embraces.

Granted ... Trump is no Pinochet. But Hey - nobody is perfect. Except Pinochet.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 17, 2018 09:30 PM (O7JoB)

523
" I think a lot of people could have beaten her in the general cause she was flat out awful."

With the same voter population that elected Barky Hussein? TWICE?

"The Left has made it monetarily profitable to be a liberal. This rises exponentially the higher up the social chain you go"

That is an excellent point. And right in line with ace's analysis above.

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:31 PM (YpQ7M)

524 The is appalled at the very idea of shame when it is their bloc being shamed. There should be nothing shameful about using abortion for birth control or having illegitimate children and living off the state. However the left is good with trying to shame opponents for wrongthink. They are also good with using terrorism. Global warming will kill us all! Too far in the future? Global warming will kill off the cocoa crop!
Why yes, the left and right can differ on what are acceptable methods of persuasion.

Posted by: Obviously Obvious at January 17, 2018 09:31 PM (/RYJz)

525 The problem is exactly what ace's post states.

This war against leftism does not get won by repeating the navel-gazing and the self-flagellation conservatives and Republicans have perpetuated for 40+ years.

The high road is no longer an option. IF you want to win.

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:21 PM (YpQ7M)

We can't play by any rules because the left never has. Bash and humiliate them every day. Call them out and send them into hysterics the way Trump does.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2018 09:31 PM (SiINZ)

526 As a resident of an often mocked blue state, I don't feel your pain at all.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:27 PM (/tuJf)

Why would anybody mock a state you can walk across in 20 minutes? I would call that adorable!
Posted by: Liz Cheney at January 17, 2018 09:29 PM (zCyNd)
---------

And it's cute! All those little islands. So very cute.

Posted by: bluebell at January 17, 2018 09:32 PM (kNasr)

527 "it makes you "clubbable,"

Remember when W. proposed an Amendment to define marriage? Then he went mysteriously radio silent. I always had the feeling his wife told him to sit down and shut up. He certainly did.

I also think he abandoned the soldiers he asked to fight in Iraq. But that's another story.

This post brings to mind Warden's post from last Jan. 25: How Losing My Political Values Helped Me Gain My Freedom

[...]"He's a bully! Is this what you want? Someone who uses his power to bully other people?!!!"

And this is where everything funnels down to the very nexus of my change in attitude from "Do unto others" to "I will do unto you what you do unto me."

It's two words: Memories Pizza.

It was that moment that everything changed for me--not only the harassment, fake Yelp reviews and the death threats that forced them to temporarily close up shop--oh, that was bad enough, but the most powerful man on Earth bullying a couple of small town pizza owners from Indiana simply for expressing an opinion on a hypothetical asked of them by a reporter with a malicious agenda? That was when I snapped.

Do you remember?

It's this that sent me to a place from which I'll never return. I literally don't care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they've already done.

Donald Trump isn't the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They're the fucking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.

There aren't any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they've left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.

I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I'll consider his election a win.

Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people.

This new philosophy has freed me of more emotional angst that I can describe. Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don't care about their tantrums. I don't care about their accusations. I don't care if they say Trump is lying. I don't care if Trump is lying.

They created this Frankenstein. They own it. I am free of all obligation. I will never play defense again. I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.

What I will not do is let them play my values against me ever again. I don't need to prove that I'm better than them. I already know it.".......

Word.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at January 17, 2018 09:32 PM (Ndje9)

528 JackStraw @7:44... "I love what Trump is doing but I am also under no illusion that lots of
what he is doing is because he doesn't really give a fuck, he and his
family will never suffer, and the more the left tries to harm him the
further right he moves, further than he has ever been in his life if for
no other reason than to punch back. He has that freedom."

I have to disagree with this. Sometimes I think about what Trump would be going through right now if he'd lost the election, as all the "smart people" thought he would.

Do you really think a President Hillary and all her flying monkeys in the government would've let him go back to being a happy real estate tycoon after all the things he said about her during the campaign?

Hell, no. They would've sought not just revenge, but also to make an example of him so that others would know what happens to you if you dare try to rise up against The Powers That Be in this "utopia" they're trying to build.

Trump put everything on the line, and I'm really grateful to him for it!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 17, 2018 09:32 PM (wSC8T)

529
That, my friend, is when the last box is opened.

You know the one.

The L-Pills?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2018 09:32 PM (IqV8l)

530 Mostly right (both the lined article and Ace's commentary.) But....

1. It hasn't always been true that the left has had the edge. There were once many areas where conservative behavior gave you an edge, even in education. Of course that's dead now.

2 In parts of the country, we still had the upper hand in my lifetime. I grew up in NY, and in 1971 went to UVa. The difference was stunning. Most Virginians could hear "duty, honor, country" with pride, and not a snicker. There was a phrase used which baffled me, "We do (or do not) 'keep liquor in the house.'" That statement was unthinkable on Long Island, unless you were in AA. People were a bit ashamed NOT to go to church. (I'm of course speaking of actual Virginians, not students. But I knew many of the former.)

3. The "lordship" rhetoric is fun, but very much misleading. That is not the way the old WASP establishment thought, and it's not a good representation of how they functioned. To get a picture of it, at the bitter end of its days, reread Bonfire of the Vanities. Or read Florence King's Wasp Where Is Thy Sting?

4. Shorter version of (3): the beginning of Ace's comment is stronger than the later part. The latter is too much fun abuse, but not much serious discussion. The real point is that STATUS is what matters. It's an American flaw to always conflate that with titles.

5. Believe it or not, David Brooks is among the best to read on this. Besides being exhibit A, he's actually quite candid about it. He is the voice of the status-based world. And when he talks openly of that (and not about policy, of which he understands nothing) he's really good.

6. Don't underestimate the importance of pure geography in the attitudes of many pussycons. They don't want to be pariahs in their daily lives. Most people don't (which is the real point here.) I've long known this, because I'm a sport of nature; I love being derided. But I don't recommend it to others.

Posted by: George LeS at January 17, 2018 09:32 PM (+TcCF)

531 ONT

Posted by: lin-duh at January 17, 2018 09:33 PM (kufk0)

532 Ace, cracks in a nation's culture provide the place for antithetical penetration.

And now, the Left's culture is, more or less, the known tradition. It's gnostic and because of that full of delusion and subject to hysteria.

President Trump (whom I have affection for) has flung the Overton window wide open.

I liked Andrew Breitbart but he was wrong when he said that freedom should be an easy sell. It never has been.

Bannon understands some things that Andrew was too much of a gentleman to agree to and because of that his (Bannon's) demise is unfortunate.

Posted by: Ontario's Honey Hole at January 17, 2018 09:34 PM (Bt7Nk)

533 Yet even Trump belittled him after his loss (and Trump was wise enough to not back him in the primary).

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:16 PM (itfg0)
---
Trump was baited into it when they tried to hang the Moore loss around his neck. He simply stated who he backed in the primary. And he thought Moore would lose the general.

But again, it's not like Moore had no help in losing Alabama--and Trump didn't puss out while the race was being run!

Posted by: Zombie Cranbury's Singer at January 17, 2018 09:34 PM (JhE5a)

534 Ask yourself: Where are all of Moore's accusers now?

Yeah.
Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:29 PM (YpQ7M)

As predicted, by many as proof of a hit.
If there were any "there" there and not just theatre, it would still be a thing.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 17, 2018 09:34 PM (z79tQ)

535 Obvious Voter Fraud in Dim Countries being reported. Nope can't have a genuine fighter and Christian in DC. That would rock the boat.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:21 PM (g4lFK)

Name the flaws since they are and were so obvious. And not the manufactured ones coming out of DC and DC operatives.

I'll be waiting.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:23 PM (g4lFK)

What was obvious was that he was a s**t candidate.

It was obvious to anyone who wasn't caught up in their own feelz.

The election result, if anything, putting up a raging a**hole and expecting that candidate to win because they screeched truth to power is a really stupid idea.

It is idiotic to say that because Trump narrowly won, feelz and belittlement of others is a sure fire strategy.

IIRC, in the exit polls, showed the biggest swing against Moore to be women with children. Maybe instead of whining about how trying to pick up 16 year olds when your in your thirties is a paragon of Christian virtue, maybe, juuust maybe, Moore's campaign ought to have tried not to go out of their way to alienate such a large demographic.

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:34 PM (itfg0)

536 Pretty sure a Judge who fights for the 10 Commandments to remain in courtrooms is alpha. But you are actually calling him a bully, literally SJW Emo language

Hitting on what teen girls? The 14 year old fraud? As a man looking for a wife talking to a 17 year old? Everything was debunked.

The Constitution and Rule of Law and limited Federal Givernment is now feelz. Abortion on a mass scale is feelz. Descuction of the nuclear family and Christians are feelz?

Never change Hat, you are a anti Christian with your own agenda wrapping yourself around the NeverTrump American Flag.

Masks falling off left and right.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:34 PM (g4lFK)

537 535 Obvious Voter Fraud in Dim Countries being reported. Nope can't have a genuine fighter and Christian in DC. That would rock the boat.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:21 PM (g4lFK)

Name the flaws since they are and were so obvious. And not the manufactured ones coming out of DC and DC operatives.

I'll be waiting.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:23 PM (g4lFK)

What was obvious was that he was a s**t candidate.

It was obvious to anyone who wasn't caught up in their own feelz.

The election result, if anything, putting up a raging a**hole and expecting that candidate to win because they screeched truth to power is a really stupid idea.

It is idiotic to say that because Trump narrowly won, feelz and belittlement of others is a sure fire strategy.

IIRC, in the exit polls, showed the biggest swing against Moore to be women with children. Maybe instead of whining about how trying to pick up 16 year olds when your in your thirties is a paragon of Christian virtue, maybe, juuust maybe, Moore's campaign ought to have tried not to go out of their way to alienate such a large demographic.
Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:34 PM (itfg0)

Keep ducking that Anti Christian chicken Hat. Must pay the bills and keep the lights on.

Can't believe the Constitution and limited federal government is now feelz.

What a joke. No wonder our country is dying.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:37 PM (g4lFK)

538 Moore was up by double digits before the false accusations.

It wasn't his politics that lost him the race.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:37 PM (WbIyz)

539 It is idiotic to say that because Trump narrowly won, feelz and belittlement of others is a sure fire strategy.

Nobody is saying that.

Except you.

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:37 PM (YpQ7M)

540 There aren't any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way.

The whole point of this post, I believe, is that there ARE rules and there's a game that we can win.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2018 09:38 PM (cW490)

541 All their rules are unruly.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:38 PM (WbIyz)

542 Oh, yes, one more thing. If you want an earlier hierarchical model for what our society is like, I'd recommend the Chinese Mandarin system. Credentials in academics were the key which unlocked the path to power, not prowess in battle. But even that breaks down, as (so far as I can tell) they really took the entrance tests seriously, and didn't dumb them down because not enough Uighars were passing.

Posted by: George LeS at January 17, 2018 09:38 PM (+TcCF)

543 534 Ask yourself: Where are all of Moore's accusers now?

Yeah.
Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:29 PM (YpQ7M)

Suing him for defamation.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/y7523z3y

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:39 PM (itfg0)

544 IIRC, in the exit polls, showed the biggest swing against Moore to be women with children.

Because they, like you, got rolled by the 24/7 media onslaught.

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:40 PM (YpQ7M)

545 >>Trump won because he energized white non-college to turnout, which, because they are over-represented in swing states, swung the Electoral College.

I think that's simplistic analysis. Trump ran against Hillary in an open election. Romney lost to an incumbent Obama. It goes against every modern presidential election to not recognize the power of incumbency regardless of who is in office and acknowledge that counts for at a bare minimum 2 or 3 points.

And that also doesn't take into account the black vote that turned out in record numbers in important states for Obama that didn't for Hillary.

The election came down to 3 states and less than 80,000 votes. Trump was very smart to go to focus on the midwestern states that Hillary ignored in favor or her Hollywood campaign and I salute him for that but it's kind of silly to pretend that Hillary wasn't an historically awful candidate and that largely contributed to Trump's against all odds wins. It's that kind of thinking that will lose races because all we need is to run Trumpian candidates and they will win everywhere.

I'm as happy as anyone that Trump won, so is my now 601K and I'd like to keep on winning by not pretending that the world has magically changed and wants more Trump everywhere. We need good candidates that can win in specific races if we are going to keep winning.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:40 PM (/tuJf)

546 Never change Hat, you are a anti Christian with your own agenda wrapping yourself around the NeverTrump American Flag.

Masks falling off left and right.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:34 PM (g4lFK)

If Roy Moore is a paragon of Christianity, I'm glad the vast majorities of Christians don't come close to his example.

Posted by: An Observing Hat at January 17, 2018 09:40 PM (itfg0)

547 "They would've sought not just revenge, but also to make an example of him so that others would know what happens to you if you dare try to rise up against The Powers That Be in this "utopia" they're trying to build."

David Plouffe from the Obama administration made this quite clear when quoted by the NYT in Aug 2016: "It's not enough to beat him. His kind must never be allowed to arise again."

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 17, 2018 09:41 PM (pV/54)

548 It's two words: Memories Pizza.

It was that moment that everything changed for me--not only the
harassment, fake Yelp reviews and the death threats that forced them to
temporarily close up shop--oh, that was bad enough, but the most
powerful man on Earth bullying a couple of small town pizza owners from
Indiana simply for expressing an opinion on a hypothetical asked of them
by a reporter with a malicious agenda? That was when I snapped.

Do you remember?

It's this that sent me to a place from which I'll never return. I
literally don't care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is
worse than what they've already done.
-----------------------

Good post. I submit that what the Left did to Rick Santorum over his family's reaction to their stillborn daughter is the worst I have ever seen from them, and it's tops of a very long, very disgusting list.

Whether you like Santorum or not, I would hope that people wouldn't forget this stuff. The Left are not just bullies, they are evil fucking incarnate and it takes everything in my soul to not think about what I might wish for them.

Posted by: Mega at January 17, 2018 09:41 PM (rv0Fo)

549 Oh good.

I hope they bring the faked-up 30 year old yearbook to court.

To sue.

For "defamation".

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:41 PM (YpQ7M)

550 Pro Constitution, Limited Federal Government, States Rights, and actually faught a war to keep the 10 Commandments up in the courtrooms in Alabama are now feelz.

And the contempt for a true Christian who is a warrior for Christ and family values and policies is slime. And fake.

Nice try with the Alinsky tactics against somebody who knows and uses alinsky. I want Moar real Pro family Christians, and fighters in DC. I want more Roy Moore's in DC and we would not be in this fucking mess we are now.

*spit*

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:44 PM (g4lFK)

551 I was surprised by the outcome. The Republican votes were depressed, obviously, and yet the Democrats allegedly turned out as many voters as they turned out for Hillary. I found that beyond suspicious.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:18 PM (WbIyz)

518 Here's the numbers:

Moore got 651,972 votes in the Special Election.
He got 262,641 of 481,146 cast in the earlier run off.

So the Republicans got votes that didn't bother to vote in the primary and run off, which is good but, the Democrats turned out 673,896 for Doug Jones when Hillary Clinton only got 729,547 votes in 2016.

Trump polled 1,318,255 in 2016.

I just don't feel those Democratic numbers can be legitimate.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2018 09:29 PM (WbIyz)

Except for the fact that this has been what has been happening in special and general elections all last year.

Dems are energized, organized, and are turning out like lemmings. The GOP has been beyond subdued. In these types of elections, the GOP has usually has the edge. That this is happening across the board is a clear indicator that the Dems are going to do very, very well this November.

But hey, at least McConnell and Ryan won't be leading GOP majorities anymore, amirite?

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 09:44 PM (itfg0)

552 Only one of his accusers is suing. The rest have vanished.

Amazing.

"Molested" in 1979.

Suddenly motivated to tell her "story" weeks before a critical Senate race.

No politics. None at all.

The timing, Hat. So coincidental.

But please, do go on embarassing yourself. Your strawman army looks famished.

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:45 PM (YpQ7M)

553 From the article Hat linked:

"The decision to sue Mr. Moore and his campaign committee was difficult, but they need to be held responsible for their actions," Corfman said in a written statement to AL.com. "Mr. Moore sexually abused me when I was only 14 years old. Then he and his campaign called me a liar and immoral when I publicly disclosed his misconduct. They ignored my requests to stop attacking me and to acknowledge the truth. Just last week, after the election, they filed a lawsuit in which they once again called me a liar. By this lawsuit, I seek to do what I could not do as a 14-year-old--hold Mr. Moore and those who enable him accountable."

So. A counter-suit. SOP for reaching an out of court settlement.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 17, 2018 09:45 PM (z79tQ)

554 Such as when a car goes by. Ask me how I know.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at
******************************

Got to get that antenna off the ground and get yourself a signal amplifier.

Posted by: Elmo Lee LeGrand at January 17, 2018 09:45 PM (CNm1v)

555 >>And it's cute! All those little islands. So very cute.

You aren't helping me woman.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:47 PM (/tuJf)

556 Never change Hat, you are a anti Christian with your own agenda wrapping yourself around the NeverTrump American Flag.

Masks falling off left and right.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:34 PM (g4lFK)

If Roy Moore is a paragon of Christianity, I'm glad the vast majorities of Christians don't come close to his example.
Posted by: An Ob

Done more for pro Christian values and policies than any establishment member ever has. And he never left Alabama.

Anti-Christian you are. You want the weak and the suckers you can manipulate and then stab in the back.

Not on my generation and youngers watch.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:47 PM (g4lFK)

557 322,
"Martha Mcsally was on tucker, and just said the dems are "dicking" around while our troops risk their lives.

Commander Ivanova lives."

We need the "I am death incarnate" speech from the floor of the Senate.

Posted by: geoffb at January 17, 2018 09:47 PM (zOpu5)

558 I've lost track of the thread. Just stepped outside. It hurts.

3" of snow, 8.5 deg. and windy. The cold is becoming tedious. How you folk north and west of here endure this is beyond me.

Hold it...just checked windchill map, we're almost the lowest in the nation.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2018 09:48 PM (7Cr6v)

559 I'm not really bothered by the idea of a man in his thirties dating sixteen-year-old girls, in and of itself as a base concept, and here's why...

Look up the marriage laws in your state. I'm sure you'll see that sixteen-year-olds are free to marry anyone, and their parents have zero say in this from a legal standpoint.

With that in mind, I'd like to ask you... Is it better for a sixteen-year-old girl to marry a boy her own age, or a grown man who can legally hold a full-time job, and buy or rent a house, and buy other random things like, say, a car, on credit?

If I had a sixteen-year-old daughter who wanted to get married right away so she could be out on her own (as girls at that age often do; girls do tend to mature faster than boys, after all), I would feel much better about her marrying an older dude who is at least legally able to provide for her.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 17, 2018 09:48 PM (wSC8T)

560 Hold it...just checked windchill map, we're almost the lowest in the nation.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2018 09:48 PM (7Cr6v)

HA HA

Posted by: Nelson Muntz at January 17, 2018 09:49 PM (z79tQ)

561 I realize that some people are so emotionally invested in a political huckster that they become politically blind, but there sheer fact of the matter is that Moore was a bad candidate who ultimately is responsible for hoisting himself on his own petard.

If you identify so closely to him that any criticism is felt as an existential threat... get help.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 09:49 PM (itfg0)

562 The election came down to 3 states and less than 80,000 votes. Trump was
very smart to go to focus on the midwestern states that Hillary ignored
in favor or her Hollywood campaign and I salute him for that but it's
kind of silly to pretend that Hillary wasn't an historically awful
candidate and that largely contributed to Trump's against all odds wins.
----------------------------

I contend it. We all thought Hitlery was going to be unbeatable. Because of all her advantages, her name recognition, her inevitability, the softness of Republicans and most of all years of free media branding. And we were 100% correct.

Hillary's flaws gave Trump more gifts to work with, sure. But hindsight is 20/20. She wasn't "historically awful", she was rattled hourly by DJT for eight straight months and the stress of it took its toll on her both physically and
mentally. It was supposed to be a coronation, not a dogfight.

There are very few that Trump wouldn't have beaten. We all said for years... for YEARS... why doesn't so-and-so fight? Why doesn't he tell the truth about his opponent? Why does he let them tell lies? If that happened so-and-so would win. We said it for years.

Trump, along with being a mass media genius, a communication savant, and an expert on branding, proved us schlubs right. He was a freakin' Terminator. But by all means I hope the Democrats think like you do because they will make all the same mistakes again.

Posted by: Mega at January 17, 2018 09:50 PM (rv0Fo)

563 Funny how this shit only happens to Christians who are fighters.

It's like a pattern or something.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:50 PM (g4lFK)

564 Moore was a bad candidate who ultimately is responsible for hoisting himself on his own petard.

But that is NOT what you have been arguing.

First rule of holes.

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:51 PM (YpQ7M)

565 Hat, if he was a political huckster he would have won.

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 09:52 PM (CNm1v)

566 realize that some people are so emotionally invested in a political huckster that they become politically blind, but there sheer fact of the matter is that Moore was a bad candidate who ultimately is responsible for hoisting himself on his own petard.

If you identify so closely to him that any criticism is felt as an existential threat... get help.
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 09:49 PM (itfg0)

Would you say this to Jewish man defending a Jewish brother from obvious Anti-Semitism?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:52 PM (g4lFK)

567 "There are very few that Trump wouldn't have beaten. "

I agree. Bernie would have been a joke in the general. Dems had few other contenders. Biden had a puncher's chance, but most likely Trump would have beaten him to a pulp

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 17, 2018 09:53 PM (pV/54)

568 Hold it...just checked windchill map, we're almost the lowest in the nation.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2018 09:48 PM (7Cr6v)
*********************

A friend slept one winter in sleeping bag in Korea. Said he never wanted to see a cold day again.

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 09:54 PM (CNm1v)

569 She wasn't "historically awful"
-----------

*?*

Ye gads, man! It is not my intent to be contentious, but if she wasn't "awful", who was?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2018 09:54 PM (7Cr6v)

570 Dems are energized, organized, and are turning out like lemmings. The
GOP has been beyond subdued. In these types of elections, the GOP has
usually has the edge. That this is happening across the board is a
clear indicator that the Dems are going to do very, very well this
November.
----------------------------------------

Dems are going to be piss in the wind this November and will be lucky if they don't lose seats in the House and end up against a near supermajority in the Senate. Unless the GOP is looking to intentionally shank everything (a possibility but not likely since individuals do so love their own political fortunes so), the Dems are going up against Trump again, and are going to lose bigly, they just don't know it yet.

Posted by: Mega at January 17, 2018 09:54 PM (rv0Fo)

571 >>I contend it. We all thought Hitlery was going to be unbeatable. Because of all her advantages, her name recognition, her inevitability, the softness of Republicans and most of all years of free media branding. And we were 100% correct.

That's fine, we all have our own opinions. My opinion is that Trump was the right guy at precisely the right time with the right opponent and if he had fully run in 2012 instead of just sticking his toe in the water with the birther thing and then decided not to when it blew up in his face would have ended up as a grease mark.

But I sure glad he won in 2016.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:54 PM (/tuJf)

572 Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 09:49 PM (itfg0)

I like you enough to tell you that you're off the edge on this one. He got smeared, plain and simple, and it worked.
You don't like him, as is your right, but it seems as if you are condoning this kind of campaign nonsense. Which makes you seem rather naive, because it worked. Because it worked, it will be used again and again, and since nobody is perfect, good men won't choose to run for office which will leave the party's hand-picked candidates only.

You know what is most often hand picked?

Posted by: Nelson Muntz at January 17, 2018 09:55 PM (z79tQ)

573 Ye gads, man! It is not my intent to be contentious, but if she wasn't "awful", who was?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2018 09:54 PM (7Cr6v)
I explained it. Trump's methods would have thrown anyone off their game and his win would have made anyone look "historically awful" in hindsight. That's what losing looks like.
Hillary would have beaten any of the other Republican candidates.

Posted by: Mega at January 17, 2018 09:56 PM (rv0Fo)

574 With that in mind, I'd like to ask you... Is it better for a sixteen-year-old girl to marry a boy her own age, or a grown man who can legally hold a full-time job, and buy or rent a house, and buy other random things like, say, a car, on credit?

If I had a sixteen-year-old daughter who wanted to get married right away so she could be out on her own (as girls at that age often do; girls do tend to mature faster than boys, after all), I would feel much better about her marrying an older dude who is at least legally able to provide for her.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 17, 2018 09:48 PM (wSC8T)

Repeatedly trying to pick up teenage girls in your thirties is going to alienate a whole hell of a lot of people.

Even then, it could have been handled well and he could have survived. His, his campaign's, and his allies' response did more to validate any anti-Moore gut feelings than any "establishment" politician or media hack.

'Cause maybe, juuust maybe, there are a hell of a lot of mothers who are uncomfortable with the idea of a 30+ year old man macking on their teenage daughter and his side going off about how it's "fake" but totes OK if it weren't schtick wrapped in Bible verses did anything but help.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 09:56 PM (itfg0)

575 A friend slept one winter in sleeping bag in Korea. Said he never wanted to see a cold day again.
Posted by: gNewt
------------

My BIL was stationed north of the Arctic Circle for a while. I have since asked him if he'd like to go back to Alaska. "Why would I?" he responded, "I didn't leave anything there".

Upside for me, after he retired, he gave me some of his cold weather gear. I break it out when the temps go below 20 deg.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2018 09:58 PM (7Cr6v)

576 The thing that the GOP has to worry about is that Trump's MOV was in good measure due to voters who had also voted for Obama.

Trump is a Terminator but he's not a particularly ideological one. And if he loses in 2020 it'll be because he misprized his voters.

But if he wins and he loses the House, he'll still be strong and new House Members will be self-interested enough to prove workable.

Posted by: Ontario's Honey Hole at January 17, 2018 09:59 PM (Bt7Nk)

577 "if he had fully run in 2012 instead of just sticking his toe in the water "

Agreed. Trump would have failed in 2012.

But if the Rs had run somebody in 2012 who could have gotten white non-college (the largest cohort) to come out, he'd have won. Mitt was precisely not that guy.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 17, 2018 09:59 PM (pV/54)

578 The election came down to 3 states and less than 80,000 votes. Trump was very smart to go to focus on the midwestern states that Hillary ignored in favor or her Hollywood campaign and I salute him for that but it's kind of silly to pretend that Hillary wasn't an historically awful candidate and that largely contributed to Trump's against all odds wins. Posted by: JackStraw

Concur. Those Midwesterners voted Trump because Obama turned the Democrat Party into an anti-Prosperity and anti-American party. Even now, they're only excited about helping DACAs. They used to be excited about helping American workers. If they accidentally help Americans now, it's only in the service of growing the Government.

Even most Democrats know Bribe Me-Granny is a criminal. When even Brazille drops Seth Rich-bombs on you, it's pretty bad.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at January 17, 2018 10:00 PM (Ndje9)

579 564 Moore was a bad candidate who ultimately is responsible for hoisting himself on his own petard.

But that is NOT what you have been arguing.

First rule of holes.

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 09:51 PM (YpQ7M)

No, that's kinda the entire point I'm making.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 10:01 PM (itfg0)

580 My opinion is that Trump was the right guy at
precisely the right time with the right opponent and if he had fully run
in 2012 instead of just sticking his toe in the water with the birther
thing and then decided not to when it blew up in his face would have
ended up as a grease mark.

But I sure glad he won in 2016.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:54 PM (/tuJf)
His 2012 toe in the water was likely all prep for 2016, feeling out media responses etc, knowing the incumbent was likely to win.
I'm with you on right guy, right time, I just disagree on the size of the achievement. He made Hillary look historically bad, just like he made Rubio, Jeb, Paul etc look historically bad. I will back up my contention by telling you he's going to do it again in 2020.

Posted by: Mega at January 17, 2018 10:01 PM (rv0Fo)

581
Would you say this to Jewish man defending a Jewish brother from obvious Anti-Semitism?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:52 PM (g4lFK)

Get off your persecution complex.

Ever consider that the reason he wraps himself in Bible version is in order to get people like you to blindly defend him?

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 10:03 PM (itfg0)

582 'Cause maybe, juuust maybe, there are a hell of a lot of mothers who are uncomfortable with the idea of a 30+ year old man macking on their teenage daughter and his side going off about how it's "fake" but totes OK if it weren't schtick wrapped in Bible verses did anything but help.
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 09:56 PM (itfg0)

Your contempt and your mimdset towards Christians is disgusting. Your establishment group think is why Christianity and Christians are in trouble globally and in America.

You need our votes and money,,but at the end of the day we are all disposable trash and useful idiots to the establishment class.

Thanks for this enlightening thread on the mind set of the establishment in power. I won't forget it. And I doubt many Christian readers of this blog will either.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 10:05 PM (g4lFK)

583 He lost because #1 as Grump said, the numbers don't add up" - we always must beat the fraud percentage and #2 he was a clumsy clutz.

The reason he came off as a clumsy clutz is that all with an R proximal to their name refused assistance.
Not only did they deny assistance they denigrated him to the public. Shame on them for that.

Now we don't have a clutz we have a commie.

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 10:05 PM (CNm1v)

584 >>Agreed. Trump would have failed in 2012.

>>But if the Rs had run somebody in 2012 who could have gotten white non-college (the largest cohort) to come out, he'd have won. Mitt was precisely not that guy.

Two things. No, I don't think anyone was going to beat an incumbent Obama. We may hate him but the vast majority of Americans and particularly the minority community don't agree with us. There just are more takers than makers in todays America or at least there were in 2012, hopefully that will change. And if we go up against another charismatic black male in 2020 it will be a problem.

And 2 we need to stop this nonsense about when a candidate we don't like is the nominee we blame some mythical GOPe or R for doing it. It is intellectually dishonest to blame the establishment for controlling who is the nominee when we don't like them and then claim he is our guy when we do.

We are the electorate. We nominated both Bushes, Dole, McCain, Romney and Trump. For better or worse we own them all.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 10:05 PM (/tuJf)

585 Yeah, Hat, but those sixteen-year-olds all said Moore was a perfect gentleman to them, and nothing happened with them beyond kissing.

My conclusion: Moore was, at the time, a successful man with strong personal morals who just happened to be looking for a really young wife. This is absolutely legal.

I agree with you, though, that not everyone thinks about this subject from the same angle that I do. My mom was married at seventeen, to a boy her age, and yeah, they had... problems.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 17, 2018 10:06 PM (wSC8T)

586 Donna Brazille, such a hot name...

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 10:06 PM (CNm1v)

587 Your contempt and your mimdset towards Christians is disgusting. Your establishment group think is why Christianity and Christians are in trouble globally and in America.

You need our votes and money,,but at the end of the day we are all disposable trash and useful idiots to the establishment class.

Thanks for this enlightening thread on the mind set of the establishment in power. I won't forget it. And I doubt many Christian readers of this blog will either.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 10:05 PM (g4lFK)

You are being a paranoid tool.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 10:08 PM (itfg0)

588 583 He lost because #1 as Grump said, the numbers don't add up" - we always must beat the fraud percentage and #2 he was a clumsy clutz.

The reason he came off as a clumsy clutz is that all with an R proximal to their name refused assistance.
Not only did they deny assistance they denigrated him to the public. Shame on them for that.

Now we don't have a clutz we have a commie.

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 10:05 PM (CNm1v)

Unfortunately, they do. It followed a trend seen in special and regular elections throughout 2017.

The shift is happening far beyond the margin of fraud

Only a fool wouldn't be hitting the panic button right now.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 10:09 PM (itfg0)

589 Romney had a libido for what, charitably speaking, can be called equivocation.

That, combined with his writing off of 47% of the population, a large chunk of which was senior citizens. IIRC, he garnered 56% of that vote. That's not that high.

Romney, especially following his fraud/con presser then his yeah, I'l be your Sec of State, is much worse than Trump, IME.

Posted by: Ontario's Honey Hole at January 17, 2018 10:10 PM (Bt7Nk)

590
581
Would you say this to Jewish man defending a Jewish brother from obvious Anti-Semitism?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 09:52 PM (g4lFK)

Get off your persecution complex.

Ever consider that the reason he wraps himself in Bible version is in order to get people like you to blindly defend him?
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 10:03 PM (itfg0)

Funny how on,y Christians who have been slaughtered at home and world wide to the tune of close to 100 million are not persecuted.

He fought for the 10 Commandments. That killed his career as a Judge. He lost. But he fought,

How is that wrapping himself in Bibke verses?

Yes My Christian brothers and sisters are being persecuted world wide and at home.

All you have are SJW tactics of shaming and smears and ad hominens.

You literally have not argued a single point or answered a single question directly. Why?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 10:10 PM (g4lFK)

591 Why?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 10:10 PM (g4lFK)

Considering that you'd prefer to emoting about your feelz than to listen, why bother indeed.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 10:11 PM (itfg0)

592 Bravo! I had to endure all this for many years in my working days, but now that I'm retired I tell them all to go fuck themselves.

Posted by: sestamibi at January 17, 2018 10:12 PM (WusEB)

593 587 Your contempt and your mimdset towards Christians is disgusting. Your establishment group think is why Christianity and Christians are in trouble globally and in America.

You need our votes and money,,but at the end of the day we are all disposable trash and useful idiots to the establishment class.

Thanks for this enlightening thread on the mind set of the establishment in power. I won't forget it. And I doubt many Christian readers of this blog will either.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 10:05 PM (g4lFK)

You are being a paranoid tool.
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 10:08 PM (itfg0)

Observable reality, history, and facts of the ways Christians get treated.

All you have is name calling.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 10:12 PM (g4lFK)

594 It is intellectually dishonest to blame the establishment for controlling who is the nominee when we don't like them and then claim he is our guy when we do.
******************

Say that with a grain of salt.
The Republican Machine is alive, well, and a force to be reckoned with. George P. Bush is a candidate in Texas and he will win.

I went to precinct meetings just like the books and was shut down. Ron Paul (I know) had a primer on how to take control at the grass roots level. It is the most cogent way in print But there must be numbers of people willing to take the time and most Republican types are too busy because they have jobs, families, and other responsibilities.

The county and state RINO establishment must be broken in order for conservative candidates to make it past the primaries.

Posted by: gNewt at January 17, 2018 10:16 PM (CNm1v)

595 President Trump brought together a coalition that is strictly his accomplishment.

Like Obama, President Trump is not repeatable. And, unlike Obama, half of his own party is quite pleased with that. And I don't think that will change.

The weight that President Trump is willing to carry is admirable and a once-in-a-lifetime feat.

He is special.

Posted by: Ontario's Honey Hole at January 17, 2018 10:16 PM (Bt7Nk)

596 Why?

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 10:10 PM (g4lFK)

Considering that you'd prefer to emoting about your feelz than to listen, why bother indeed.
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2018 10:11 PM (itfg0)

Stay woke Hat. You have yet to counter my factual arguments except with muh feelz.

I listed policies, issues, and history. You deny them and say actual Conservative positions are about feelz.

Christian persecution is real. To deny this is to be delusional or turning a blind eye to it.

Posted by: Monk at January 17, 2018 10:17 PM (g4lFK)

597 >>The county and state RINO establishment must be broken in order for conservative candidates to make it past the primaries.

Trump may be governing as a conservative now, he was never in his life a conservative. This is a guy who criticized Romney after 2012 loudly and repeatedly for being too "mean" about illegals. Trump spent his life as a NY liberal before the 2016 race.

I keep saying this but we can't keep pretending 2016 was some sort of model for how things will play out in the future. Trump wanted no part of Roy Moore and only campaigned for him at the last minute in Florida so let's not pretend he has huge coattails or is some harbinger of a conservative renaissance.

Each race stands on it's own and always will.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 10:26 PM (/tuJf)

598 Hi, Jack! I'd like to hear your thoughts on my comment at #528. I just
wanted to put that out there as something for you to think about.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 17, 2018 10:32 PM (wSC8T)

599 >>Hi, Jack! I'd like to hear your thoughts on my comment at #528. I just
wanted to put that out there as something for you to think about.

Eh, I'm not that smart. If I had to guess I think she would have left him pretty much alone as long as he didn't cause too much trouble.

There is a mountain of stuff about to be exposed about her corruption and the balls she was juggling to keep it all going. I think she would have been far too preoccupied with trying to keep her game going and trying to deal with the shit that she and Obama left behind with North Korea and ISIS and Russia, etc. to have much time to deal with Trump as long as he couldn't expose her.

I really think people are going to be shocked when they see what's coming from all the corruption they left behind. Trying to keep that covered up and manage the numerous international issues she helped cause would have been a full time job.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 10:47 PM (/tuJf)

600 Obama:

Why can't that work come home? Obama asked.

Jobs' reply was unambiguous. "Those jobs aren't coming back," he said, according to another dinner guest.

The president's question touched upon a central conviction at Apple. It isn't just that workers are cheaper abroad. Rather, Apple's executives believe the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so outpaced their U.S. counterparts that "Made in the USA" is no longer a viable option for most Apple products.

Trump:

The headline from Apple is that it will "contribute" $350 billion to the U.S. economy over the next five years, although it's unclear exactly how the company came to that number.

But the company promised to create 20,000 new jobs and a new campus thanks, in part, to the prospect of tax reform.

It anticipates a $38 billion tax bill for repatriated cash, as a result of the new tax bill. This implies it will bring back virtually all of its $250 billion in overseas cash.

Apple also said it would spend over $30 billion in capital expenditures over the next five years. About $10 billion in capital expenditures will be investments in U.S. data centers, the company said.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 17, 2018 11:03 PM (e8kgV)

601 wank wank wank

Nevertrump Hat was completely wrong about Trump and is now rolling the dice hoping beyond hope to get some street cred by hitting boxcars on at least one prediction.

Accusation fly about how others are emotional about the Roy Moore election and yet...The Website Hat is hung up on being proved right.

Despite facts in evidence.

Almost as if there were an agenda of some sort. Almost...

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 17, 2018 11:46 PM (5ng19)

602 I don't think North Korea, ISIS and Russia would've really preoccupied Hillary if she'd won, Jack. She'd pay the Danegeld, and turn a blind eye as needed in foreign arenas to delay the threat from those factions, while turning the full force of the federal government on those domestic opponents who'd displeased her, such as Donald Trump.

I honestly think he'd have been imprisoned by now, with all his assets and the assets of his children seized, if Hillary had won. "Oh, I'll be in jail? No, you're the one who's going to be in jail."

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 17, 2018 11:56 PM (wSC8T)

603 When Hillary won, they were going to punish Trump bigly. Remember the campaign emails about "never letting his sort rise again"? Along with making him a punchline they were going to make an example of him in front of the country. Their bloodthirsty mob would allow nothing less.

Look what they did to Joe the Plumber for asking a question. And Palin for exposing Obama for the puppet he was. They would have exhausted every avenue to torment Trump, his businesses and his family for the rest of their natural born lives.

Posted by: Mega at January 17, 2018 11:58 PM (rv0Fo)

604 PW... *snap*

Posted by: Mega at January 17, 2018 11:59 PM (rv0Fo)

605 Great minds think alike, Mega... and so do we!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 18, 2018 12:05 AM (wSC8T)

606 As to the "only one way to stop this", I heartily say BULLHOCKEY!

We don't have aristocrats in America. Period. The right answer (not just the "oh well, guess this is all we can do" answer, but the *right* one) is to tell those trying to award social status on the basis of fealty to their bs to go to hell and to not look back if they know what's good for them. And enforce it.
Then we can go back to America-ing properly.

Posted by: GWB at January 18, 2018 12:17 AM (63l5P)

607 social status smoshal shatus

Posted by: Kim Jong-nun at January 18, 2018 01:43 AM (artIV)

608 >>>There is only one way to change this entirely-unacceptable arrangement

lol. no. there are endless ways.

Posted by: guillotines and lampposts and gutting like fish at January 18, 2018 08:24 AM (nFwvY)

609 >A shorter way to say this is just to quote Andrew Breitbart: "Politics is downstream of culture."

Sure, but then Moldbug said "Culture is downstream from power. Real power."

The real power is not the Presidency. Supreme Court, Beltway bureaucrats, Harvard/Yale, the media.

Posted by: Dividualist at January 18, 2018 08:37 AM (2pouU)

610 >>>Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2018 09:40 PM (/tuJf)<<<

Most of what you said is correct to some degree, but you also make the mistake of disregarding what Trump did.

You start from the incorrect premise that any republican candidate could have beat Hillary. That is simply not true.

Yes, Mitt lost to Obama when Obama was an incumbent. But you are conflating correlation with causation. Mitt ran a traditional "nice" GOPe campaign that did not inspire anyone, anywhere. He could not get out the vote because nobody cared. He did not switch any Obama voters to become Romney voters and he did not inspire any irregular voters (people who rarely vote) to vote. He refused to attack Obama at all (much like McCain before him) on any issue or run on issues that appealed to middle-Americans (border security, no amnesty). He lost largely because he was a non-entity who offered nothing but the same old uni-party nonsense (i.e., keep doing everything the way it has been done, regardless of whether it's a "d" or "r" in the WH).

Jeb or Marco (or any of the other candidates) would have run the SAME EXACT campaign as Mitt ran. They would have been terrified of attacking Hillary for fear of being labled "sexist". They would not have energized the base. They would not have switched any Obama voters to GOP votes.

So, the flaw in your thinking is your belief that Trump did nothing to win that some other GOP candidate wouldn't have done. That is absolutely not true. Hillary would have not just beat Jeb, she likely would have had a huge win. Same with Rubio.

That's not to say that a "trump-like" candidate will win in every GOP or competitive district or state. But to pretend Trump only won because Hillary was flawed and that any other GOP candidate would also have won is not realistic.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 18, 2018 08:40 AM (3ZtZW)

611 >>>We don't have aristocrats in America. Period.

Posted by: GWB at January 18, 2018 12:17 AM (63l5P)<<<
I wish that were true. But, everyone keeps calling a one-term governor "Governor" 30 years after he lost re-election. Same with former senators, judges, mayors, Secretaries of State, etc. We treat those people as if they are titled nobility by referring them to by the title of the seat they once held. It drives me nuts.

And, their children are treated as if they are somehow important - much like the heirs of titled aristocracy. Look at Chelsea Clinton, for instance.
We don't have titled aristocracy the same was as England, and new people can "break into" being in the aristocracy by winning an election or becoming wealthy (so it's easier to become an aristocrat here than it was in England), but we still have an aristocracy.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 18, 2018 08:50 AM (3ZtZW)

612 610 ...

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 18, 2018 08:40 AM (3ZtZW)

Exactly. It's kind of like what they say about the definition of insanity.

On the aristocracy thing, it's a curious thing that must be embedded in human nature, at least in at least a third of humans. Just look at how excited Americans get about the British royal family - how CRAZY is THAT!?!

But look at how Trump is not invited to that "party". The guy went to an elite university, and did well. He grew up rich, and built a multi-billion dollar empire. He was a TV star - as something he did in his spare time, for fun. Even after being elected POTUS, in one of the most astounding electoral victories in history. Nobody looks upon him as being part of the American aristocracy despite all these things - apparently because he rejects their groupthink, and builds buildings - something they look down upon.

Posted by: Optimizer at January 18, 2018 09:57 AM (EnK/R)

613 I've said for about two decades that Republicans believe having the right policy wins elections and Democrats believe that whoever has the most votes wins elections.

For example, Republicans try to explain why lowering taxes increases growth prospects, employment, and wages, while Democrats argue that lowering taxes will cause wealth disparities and besides, children to die in the streets if spending cuts accompany the reduction in tax rates.

It's all emotional with Democrats. They refuse to call abortion by it's name. It's always propagandistic terms like "women's health" or "reproductive freedom". How can anybody be against women's health or freedom? Voter ID laws intended to instill confidence in election outcomes are defined as "voter suppression". Do you want to be for suppressing votes? In their endeavor to restrict gun rights, they stopped using "gun control", which sounds way too coercive, and now it is "gun safety". Everybody likes safety. They even made us adopt their ridiculous language of referring to people brought here illegally as "Dreamers".

It's all based on emotion, or what Scott Adams calls "persuasion". Democrats figured this out a LONG time ago. The best the conventional, pre-Trump, Republicans could come up with was to call employers "job creators". I do think the "War on Terror" was effective, which is why Obama refused to use it.

Using emotional language that make the swells feel good about themselves is what wins. Not necessarily the best policy.

Posted by: Scott at January 18, 2018 10:26 AM (umdem)

614 "Pet petty noble" is far too generous. Those types are "conservative kapos." David French, who never misses a chance to virtue signal and attack conservatives, is getting a taste of what happened eventually to the WWII camp kapos. I am perfectly fine to step back and let the Left savage him as a Klansman, and smile with the certain knowledge it will happen to David Frum et al eventually.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 18, 2018 12:03 PM (0VW5V)

615 Most people want their own biases confirmed.

They reject challenges, in any form - fact and reality based, or not. iow: 'tl;dr'

Posted by: The Hot Gates at January 18, 2018 12:49 PM (Na/F1)

616 I left out, ace, that this is one of the most astute things I have read recently, whether by you or anyone else. Katzman's linked piece was excellent, too.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 18, 2018 01:09 PM (cOtZi)

617 I think David From has stockholm syndrome. Trump is good at smashing things and when he plants one of his nicknames on you all your nobility takes a beating - who wants to be lying Hillary or low energy Jeb? He can strip away status and the left cant seem to counter that. He uses CNN and their staff like punching bags and they keep coming back for more vowing to scratch his eyes out and swat at him with their purses only to receive another backhand. If he can continue b1tchslapping them and getting things done it will be a great 8 years but if he fails to get things done the b1tchslapping will stop working quickly.

Posted by: dean at January 19, 2018 03:34 AM (WeCAt)

618 For all DJT's alleged flaws, real - imagined and conflated - he abides by the key trait so frequently missing from those in public life these days. To thine own self be true.

His alleged vulgarity, outsize ego, boorishness and uncouthness all represent different aspects of his essential "realness". He is authentic in a way and in a magnitude almost equal to the lack of authenticity of most on the left. Not the left's pronouncements (although those are usually fake (or simply wrong) as well) but their character and principles. To a man and women as public persons they are totally inauthentic.

That is the point of DJT going on about fake this and fake that. It is like when he bestowed the title "Crooked" on Hillary or "Little Marco" on Rubio. It defined them in short hand using the same tactics the left use to shut down discussion. WHen you are up against such an insidious, machiavellian takeover of our political and cultural institutions unfortunately you need to know how to fight the enemy and no one in the GOP had the skill set or the ambition.

DJT deploys his laser like character-destroying monikers like a PR genius. He redefines the debate and focuses the mind of ordinary people and cuts through even the shortest political soundbite. He is mauling the Dems and beating them at their own game. They and the MSM can still keep up the pretense of ignoring what is actually happening in voterland (especially with the turbo charging of the economy) but the sword is ready to swing.

DJY needs to be careful giving special status to so-called conservative cadres as recommended in this piece. The problem is many (like Rinos) are not in any way authentic to the cause. As Robert Conquest famously observed "the best way to explain the behavior of any organization is to assume it is under the control of its enemies" and that is true of most organizations in the US today that claim to be not creatures of the Left.

Posted by: Arlo Falconbrook at January 19, 2018 03:49 AM (6SdJz)

619 Ace, you've restated Joe Katzman's piece much better ( http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/13/how-to-trump-the-media-avoid-conservatives-biggest-mistake/ ) but the bottom line offers nothing but dim prospects for the Right to win over any hearts and minds in this Culture War. It's like Vietnam all over again, with Hanoi Jane sabotaging good effort at every turn. The Left is vile and delusional.

Posted by: Phrank at January 19, 2018 06:20 AM (Lur/h)

620 i've been saying these exact ideas for over a decade now.

its all about social signalling and in-group/out-group strategies for 95% of people...if saying a fact that is anti-AGW destroys your chance that sweet promotion or bit of a$$ at the gym, who in their right mind would mouth the words?

Posted by: mark at January 19, 2018 09:50 AM (E/CI1)

621 Clever argument in the abstract. Or in the concrete in the very important process of describing all the ways we hate David Brooks. But it doesn't address the problem of Trump's personality disorders tripping up his own agenda and setting up the GOP for a rout in 2018. Best to at least start preparing an argument how these 'correct instincts' are separate from Trump's fatal flaws rather than part of them.

Posted by: John Oh at January 19, 2018 10:10 AM (hqmIb)

622 I didn't vote for the guy. Just couldn't bring myself to do it, but I haven't seem more than a handful pf conservatives in years. I find groups of us huddled in the netter regions of the interwebz, but because of the lack of our social status, we're just so many empty echo chambers.

From time to time in my surfing trudge through digital domains, a weary con such as myself may stumbleupon the odd "reasonable", left leaning intellectual, but once they smell the stench of conservative values on you, they multiply and transmogrify into their true forms. Almost daily I get assaulted with misogynist, cis, queer fear, racist epithets, that have all the impact of a wet feather in a light breeze. But still, I yearn to find that rare, unicorn like being. Alas, it seems all the classic liberals have been devoured or turned by progressive vampires. Keep your torches and pitchforks. Next, I venture forth, will be with wooden stakes and Holy water.

Posted by: Cap'n 'Ron at January 19, 2018 06:19 PM (98qxL)

623 Excellent article. I have thought the same myself for some time : that it is really about getting and keeping social status in a particular group than it is about, say, immigration.

Posted by: C. Harper at January 19, 2018 07:17 PM (xsxdK)

624 Great essay, and this is why and how I created a meme site during the election to support Trump.....lots of pulling down of the Leftist Cult Movement's statues to themselves.......
===========

How is the Leftist Cult Movement like Islamic Jihad.....

One Picture Equals 1000 Words.......
https://www.flickr.com/photos/141620822@N02/35477215040/in/dateposted-public/

[to enlarge, click the double arrows >]
[to send to a friend, click the curved arrow ~>]

Posted by: Dan Warren at January 20, 2018 09:12 AM (ILsua)

Processing 0.05, elapsed 0.066 seconds.
14 queries taking 0.0258 seconds, 632 records returned.
Page size 383 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.8 beta.