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This Is CNN
Oh, they did cover the Iran rallies.
The pro-government Iran rallies, I mean.Just incredible.. pic.twitter.com/jtlbqA0UYr
— Stephen Miller (@redsteeze) December 30, 2017
Scattered Protests Erupt in Iran Over Economic Woes. https://t.co/waB6Qrn2NC
— Thomas Erdbrink (@ThomasErdbrink) December 30, 2017
Last month Erdbrink, NYT's Tehran bureau chief, wrote a long, front-page story claiming that Trump had united the Iranian people behind the regime. Shouldn't he explain to NYT readers how he got it so wrong before filing more stories? https://t.co/J7BoZDWf9H
— Noah Pollak (@NoahPollak) December 30, 2017
NYT story by @ThomasErdbrink on Iran protests inaccurately reported size & cause. Said protests "scattered" & about "economic woes." Actually extensive & about regime.
— Omri Ceren (@omriceren) December 30, 2017
Not disclosed: Erdbrink doesn't seem to have been reporting from Iran. He's in Japan
No dateline. No note
1/2 pic.twitter.com/W7PvwtG3oL
Abhar, #Zanjan - #IranProtests, 3rd day, Dec 30: Protesters take down the billboard w/ Khamenei's picture on it. pic.twitter.com/Isi8rc55hC
— Hadi Nili (@HadiNili) December 30, 2017
Khamenei poster taken down economically, not, god forbid, politically https://t.co/KvW5rZsDgR
— Benny Avni (@bennyavni) December 30, 2017
How odd that the "mass rallies" Iranian state media insists is pro-government keep getting fired at by the government. pic.twitter.com/Tls3NjZmsp
— Vincent Casimir (@vncnt_csmr) December 30, 2017
CNN Correspondent: World Thinks That America Doesn’t Have A ‘Moral Leg To Stand On’ [VIDEO] https://t.co/szGlgL3CjS pic.twitter.com/MisvCzuuGU
— The Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 30, 2017
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 01:58 PM (6gGph)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:00 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 30, 2017 02:02 PM (EoRCO)
Posted by: NYT -world Problems. at December 30, 2017 02:02 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 02:02 PM (sdi6R)
She continued, "A lot of nations and their populations, no matter how they feel about their governments in particular, do perceive the United States as not really having a moral leg to stand on."
I can't fathom how that is considered to be legitimate "reporting." I don't know what to call it.
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:03 PM (6gGph)
It'd be like their hate for Reagan for destroying the Soviets.
Posted by: NYT -world Problems. at December 30, 2017 02:03 PM (oVJmc)
I think the technical term is "bullshit".
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:04 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Gref at December 30, 2017 02:04 PM (AMIL/)
Wait, what? Trump supports the protesters?
It is beyond stupid to support the overthrow of the Iranian government! This rebellion must be opposed!
Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 30, 2017 02:04 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 30, 2017 02:05 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 02:06 PM (T71PA)
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 02:06 PM (T71PA)
O.k., but their logic is somewhat strained.
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:07 PM (6gGph)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 30, 2017 02:07 PM (oVJmc)
All they need is the soothing balm of Cairo speech!
Available now at your local We B Theocrats outlet.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 30, 2017 02:07 PM (pNxlR)
It's hard to believe anyone takes these people seriously.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:08 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:07 PM (6gGph)
It usually is.
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 02:08 PM (T71PA)
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 02:08 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Tom Nichols at December 30, 2017 02:09 PM (gSwpy)
Posted by: This...is CNN at December 30, 2017 02:09 PM (O5Q3r)
Let's pray this is a successful revolution. It will save countless lives in the long run if it is.
Have we started a pool yet about when carter is going to pop off about how we shouldn't interfere?
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 02:09 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: Fritz at December 30, 2017 02:09 PM (A1FgP)
Let me be clear: The choice is a no-brainer, and I made it several years ago (with a little help from Valerie J, of course).
Posted by: Barack Obama at December 30, 2017 02:10 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:10 PM (6gGph)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 30, 2017 02:05 PM (oVJmc)
But but but The Handmaid's Tale!!!11!!!
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 02:10 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 02:09 PM (hscyr)
But wait this reeks of logic.
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:12 PM (6gGph)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:12 PM (/tuJf)
"A lot of nations and their populations, no matter how they feel about their governments in particular, do perceive the United States as not really having a moral leg to stand on."
Concern status
[ ] Totes
[X] None at all
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 30, 2017 02:13 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: CNN at December 30, 2017 02:13 PM (gSwpy)
Posted by: Tom Nichols at December 30, 2017 02:09 PM (gSwpy)
Mr Nichols, this should make you feel better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhrPMiwgkU
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 02:13 PM (T71PA)
You really can't parody these vacuous moral retards anymore. But I'm gonna do it anyway.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 30, 2017 02:13 PM (Ndje9)
I wonder if they shop at the same store as the FAB....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 30, 2017 02:13 PM (EoRCO)
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:10 PM (6gGph)
+++
She's wearing the patterned requisite neck-scarf, so she's over there "somewhere" - come-on.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 30, 2017 02:14 PM (tcwn1)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2017 02:14 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 02:09 PM (hscyr)
Why, it's almost as if they went underground after 2009 and waited Obama out.
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 02:14 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: JEM at December 30, 2017 02:14 PM (0XvG0)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2017 02:14 PM (gC2IV)
But...but...this cannot be. He's the chocolate messiah dammit!
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 02:15 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 30, 2017 02:15 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2017 02:15 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2017 02:15 PM (QkPts)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:12 PM (/tuJf)
To be fair, those white trucks are real gas hogs.
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 02:16 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: JEM at December 30, 2017 02:16 PM (0XvG0)
Do the Democrats prefer an Islamic theocratic despot to a popular democracy?
Get them in front of a microphone.
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 30, 2017 02:16 PM (Po6Jc)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 30, 2017 02:16 PM (rnAwa)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2017 02:15 PM (QkPts)
Hold our beer
Posted by: Podesta Group at December 30, 2017 02:17 PM (gSwpy)
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:17 PM (9TR2V)
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I'm sure she's done extensive research on these nations and their populations. Or she just pulled it out of her ass. Either or.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2017 02:17 PM (gC2IV)
And from where do you think Fake News is getting their Guidance & Talking Points on Iran?
From Deep State!
This has obama's State Department's stink all over it!
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 30, 2017 02:18 PM (H0qMa)
Posted by: kallisto at December 30, 2017 02:18 PM (AJwk0)
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:17 PM (9TR2V)
Ummmmmmm....No.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 30, 2017 02:18 PM (EoRCO)
Miss me yet? Happy Kwanzaa!
Posted by: Ex President Cock Curious at December 30, 2017 02:19 PM (O5Q3r)
We've got them on the dishonesty, andvremember, it's not treason if they're not US persons.
Posted by: Congressional Black Caucus at December 30, 2017 02:19 PM (0XvG0)
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:17 PM (9TR2V)
That's a mighty big jump to a conclusion.
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 02:19 PM (T71PA)
Really, that's what I think is going on here.
Fake News is contacting their subversives inside the State Dept asking them what's going in Iran.
State Dept shadow-govt moles are providing Fake News with this pro-iranian govt BULLSHIT.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 30, 2017 02:19 PM (H0qMa)
And this is why Rex Tillerson sucks dicks by the bagful.
Where is he? Where is HIS State Dept on this??
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 30, 2017 02:20 PM (H0qMa)
Can any group be more traitorous and dishonest than CNN?
We've got them on the dishonesty, andvremember, it's not treason if they're not US persons.
Posted by: Congressional Black Caucus
And boy howdy do we rule on airplanes.
Posted by: CBC at December 30, 2017 02:20 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:20 PM (In2qM)
Instead, State is letting the president twist in the wind with mere tweets about what's happening.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 30, 2017 02:21 PM (H0qMa)
Posted by: redenzo at December 30, 2017 02:21 PM (14qvS)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 02:22 PM (WbIyz)
CNN has gotten the license plate of the White Truck that is blocking our view.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2017 02:22 PM (dKiJG)
What makes you think they need help from anyone to create their own narrative? They are as big a part of the Deep State and the bureaucrats burrowed into the government.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:22 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:23 PM (LAe3v)
Iran tried o put a lid on this earlier this week by lifting the mandatory arrests on unproperly dressed women.
Economic woes, my ass.
This is all about Iran's Cruel Islamic Authoritarianism.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 30, 2017 02:23 PM (H0qMa)
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:23 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:24 PM (In2qM)
Posted by: steevy at December 30, 2017 02:24 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2017 02:24 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Fritz at December 30, 2017 02:24 PM (A1FgP)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:20 PM (In2qM)
I'm sorry, I'm not following this. Could you elaborate?
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:24 PM (6gGph)
Posted by: kallisto at December 30, 2017 02:25 PM (AJwk0)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2017 02:25 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: SteveOReno at December 30, 2017 02:25 PM (SiTI+)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:25 PM (In2qM)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 02:25 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Johnny at December 30, 2017 02:26 PM (kUotE)
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:26 PM (LAe3v)
Honest to Christ, I'm surprised Fake News didn't say this was about President Trump moving the US embassy to the real capital of Israel.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 30, 2017 02:26 PM (H0qMa)
Posted by: Locke Common at December 30, 2017 02:27 PM (YQoau)
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8jbl345
Posted by: Not On CNN at December 30, 2017 02:27 PM (Po6Jc)
I have five words plus six more:
Walter Duranty
Holodomar
Pulitzer Prize
And the final six:
New York Times, go to Hell.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:27 PM (mbhDw)
At a used book store. On the shelf I see Bush on the Couch by a psychiatrist purporting to uncover Bush 43's mental unfitness to be president.
So let's dispense with the notion that Trump is somehow a unique danger. To the Left all Republicans are Nazis, stupid and unbalanced. Thank God we have a president who is eager to fight back.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 30, 2017 02:27 PM (a2J8z)
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:28 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: The Onion at December 30, 2017 02:29 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:20 PM (In2qM)
I'm sorry, I'm not following this. Could you elaborate?
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:24 PM (6gGph)
Actually, as I learned from the Horde yesterday, thanks to Obama the Iranians now have an oil refinery paid for by the Iran Sellout Deal and Pallets of Cash.
It's in the city of Bandar Abbas. Be a real shame if lightning were to strike it. "Jewish lightning" IYKWIM.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:29 PM (mbhDw)
I think they've already forgotten all about it. That was, like, three or four apocalyptic scandals ago.
White van! White van!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 30, 2017 02:29 PM (T28di)
Posted by: This is CNN at December 30, 2017 02:29 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:03 PM (6gGph)
She's wearing a shemagh for authenticity.
A real one, not one from Sears.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 30, 2017 02:30 PM (2K6fY)
Our allies in the ME realize the US now has their back. SA and others are supporting this.
Sounds like something MBS would get behind.
Posted by: golfman at December 30, 2017 02:30 PM (48QDY)
Now they tell us that the Trumps are wrecking America's standing in the world as they are warmly received everywhere they go and are making foreign policy progress on several fronts.
The veterans of the Soviet-era Pravda must be shaking their heads in wonder.
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 02:30 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:30 PM (ANIFC)
https://tinyurl.com/y7m8u9ut
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:31 PM (/tuJf)
North Korea can run nuke program due to US Navy policing energy import sanctions.
This is CNN. This just in: President Trump gets two scoops of ice cream served , while his guests only get one.
Posted by: redenzo at December 30, 2017 02:31 PM (14qvS)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 30, 2017 02:27 PM (a2J8z)
You did that on purpose.
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 02:32 PM (T71PA)
Obviously we don't really know the exact situation on the ground but it is certainly widespread and regime-toppling centric.
If the regime can be toppled, it will be an event on the order of magnitude of the taking down of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union. A once in a lifetime that changes the course of history.
And it will be on this President's watch. God bless and keep him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:32 PM (mbhDw)
How do you know?
Why is Afghanistan the longest war this country's ever had again? What was our purpose there??? Our endgame???
You guys sure are hawkish like you've learned nothing from the last 30 years of mideast politics and warfighting
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:32 PM (9TR2V)
https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/946789572905701377
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 30, 2017 02:33 PM (Po6Jc)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 30, 2017 02:27 PM (a2J8z)
You did that on purpose.
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 02:32 PM (T71PA)
Better than him on a white ottoman
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:33 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 30, 2017 02:27 PM (a2J8z)
You did that on purpose.
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 02:32 PM (T71PA)
Bush on the Couch. Isn't that REALLY the story of Harvey Weinstein?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:33 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Possible TrumpTwitter at December 30, 2017 02:33 PM (gSwpy)
Oh, and as I recall you'd really only shop in Ginza if you're looking for things like kimonos. Much more glitz shopping in Shinjuku. Plus, cosplay girls.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 02:33 PM (iynDC)
After 20+ years of mealy mouthed non-commital safety, this is bigger thing than any I can think of
Posted by: Kindltot at December 30, 2017 02:34 PM (2K6fY)
Better than him on a white ottoman
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:33 PM (ANIFC)
How the Ottoman Became White...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:34 PM (mbhDw)
What in the fuck are you talking about? We are watching Iranian citizens protest against their own theocratic dictatorship and cheering them on and condemning the coverage of our own media which is seeking to spin this as anti-Trump and somehow you get a military invasion and nation building out of that?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:35 PM (/tuJf)
But that is just the straw which broke the back of the camel. Trump's actions in the ME have given them hope that this time the US will have the back of the people of Iran unlike Obama who loved him some tyrants.
Richard Fernandez at Belmont Club has written on this too today.
http://tinyurl.com/ybxmlz6p
Posted by: geoffb at December 30, 2017 02:35 PM (zOpu5)
How do you know?
Why is Afghanistan the longest war this country's ever had again? What was our purpose there??? Our endgame???
You guys sure are hawkish like you've learned nothing from the last 30 years of mideast politics and warfighting
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:32 PM (9TR2V)
-----------
Could you please point to anyone advocating war in Iran?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2017 02:35 PM (gC2IV)
"These lightly armed young men are fighting for their lives against the onslaught of American hayseeds and British and Canadian Imperialists, and though they are stacking the invaders' bodies high in the surf, it is only a matter of time before they are overrun and slaughtered, and Europe's peace shattered forever."
"This is CNN Foreign Correspondent Peter Arnett reporting from Nazi Machine Gun Bunker No. 64 overlooking Omaha Beach".
*gets shot in his ample forehead*
Posted by: Sharkman at December 30, 2017 02:36 PM (BfOXk)
Posted by: Possible TrumpTwitter at December 30, 2017 02:33 PM (gSwpy)
Considering the corruption within the Deep State at CIA, NSA and elsewhere, what are the odds that rogue elements there are leaking info to Obama and the Farsi Ferret down the road at the Kalorama Kaliphate Kompound which is then being relayed to Tehran?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:36 PM (mbhDw)
Instead, State is letting the president twist in the wind with mere tweets about what's happening.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 30, 2017 02:21 PM (H0qMa)
-----Saw a statement letter from Heather Nauert (SD spox).
And, PDJT, of course, isn't leaving the rhetoric up to someone else.
Posted by: baldilocks at December 30, 2017 02:36 PM (SIP8o)
Saying enough isn't warmongering
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (In2qM)
Posted by: Max Power at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (q177U)
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (9TR2V)
How do you know?
Why is Afghanistan the longest war this country's ever had again? What was our purpose there??? Our endgame???
You guys sure are hawkish like you've learned nothing from the last 30 years of mideast politics and warfighting
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:32 PM (9TR2V)
I think we've learned plenty about open-ended endless wars our troops are not allowed to win. I've seen no sign that Trump wants to continue that policy.
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (sdi6R)
So I went searching to see some of the stuff about Iran's last effort at voicing opposition to their regime in 2009. First thing I found of note was from several months in earlier in February of 2009 where its noted that Obama's team had been talking to Iran and Syria for MONTHS. After being President for less than two weeks, and the media is losing their shit over Trump's team having any contact at all with Russia.
http://minx.cc:1080/?post=282200
And then we get to the actual Iranian protests in June.
Obama speaks up several days later in a weak statement. http://minx.cc:1080/?post=288565
State department calls the violent government reaction to the protests "debate" http://minx.cc:1080/?post=288654
McCain criticizing Obama weak response on Iran. http://minx.cc:1080/?post=288671
Obama finally giving support to protesters. Again a bit mealy-mouthed. http://minx.cc:1080/?post=288775
Obama administration zeroes out spending on supporting democracy in Iran. Yup he sure is big on them not being an Islamist state. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/288768.php#288768
June 22 and Obama stills has an invite to Iranian diplomats to attend Independence Day celebrations of Hot Dogs and Fireworks. http://minx.cc:1080/?post=288872
June 24 and the invite is rescinded. Not because Obama's team realized how bad it looks, but because no Iranians invited RSVPed. http://minx.cc:1080/?post=288963
Obama/Merkel Press Conference and Merkel has stronger statement against Iran than Obama. http://minx.cc:1080/?post=289038
Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (cAnNx)
Jennifer Rubin has finally said something about Trump's support of Democracy for Iranians: "Trumps ongoing ignorance, like his contempt for democratic norms and insistence on monarchical-like loyalty, are mainstays of his personality."
She's another one who fooled me. I knew she wasn't really a conservative, but didn't think she was as far gone as this.
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (LAe3v)
FUPA - Farsis United Pro-America!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (mbhDw)
He even causes Iranians to have ill will against their own nation. He's turned them into fanatical, MAGA-esque teabagger types.
He incites them to be dissatisfied with their leaders and to doubt the propaganda that is given to them. If there's any violence or bloodshed, it'll be Trump's fault.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Max Power at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (q177U)
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:30 PM (ANIFC)
Made me laugh.
Posted by: girldog at December 30, 2017 02:38 PM (g5YYQ)
Posted by: kallisto at December 30, 2017 02:38 PM (AJwk0)
http://tinypic.com/r/309lefp/9
http://tinypic.com/r/os9vgp/9
http://tinypic.com/r/1235icx/9
http://tinypic.com/r/2n0lmx5/9
More light is needed, but then Mrs IMG will increase the number of plants (again).
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 30, 2017 02:38 PM (di1hb)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 30, 2017 02:38 PM (+y/Ru)
"A lot of nations and their populations, no matter how they feel about their governments in particular, do perceive the United States as not really having a moral leg to stand on."
Why should we give a flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks? The rest of the world hates us mostly for the following reasons:
We're richer than they are.
We're one of the few places in the world where a person can get rich by working harder and smarter than others, without having to suck government bureaucrat cock.
We can live anywhere we choose within our own borders, up to the limits of our pocketbook, without a residence permit (90% of Europe, I'm looking at you).
Our military could crush any other nation on earth if we chose to do so (even after 8 years of Chocolate Fonzie dorking the military in the squeekhole).
Virtually every important technological innovation in the last 50 years comes from the US.
We have more freedom than any other nation in the world (I don't give a fuck what those various Freedom Indexes say).
We're mostly a Christian nation (which is WHY we have more freedom than anywhere in the world).
For good or ill, virtually all popular culture in the world comes from the US (to be fair, they might have a point here).
They hate us because they are NOT Americans, and because they're too lazy, bigoted and uncivilized to embrace the strengths of the American System and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.
Envy, in a word.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 30, 2017 02:38 PM (eXA4G)
they feel about their governments in particular, do perceive the United
States as not really having a moral leg to stand on."
****
lefties have been claiming the rest of the world hates us since I have been alive (1969).
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 30, 2017 02:38 PM (h1jJh)
Posted by: Max Power at December 30, 2017 02:39 PM (q177U)
"Tens of Millions, Dreaming of Freedom Now That Ex-Prez'Nit Cock-Curious, The 'Fascists' Best Friend', Has Left The Oval Office, Protest Their Evil, Murderous Governments."
A little help for CNN's headline writers.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 30, 2017 02:39 PM (BfOXk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:36 PM (mbhDw)
I wouldn't put money against it.
Posted by: jsg at December 30, 2017 02:39 PM (gSwpy)
Posted by: golfman at December 30, 2017 02:40 PM (48QDY)
"Tens of Millions, Dreaming of Freedom Now That Ex-Prez'Nit Cock-Curious, The 'Fascists' Best Friend', Has Left The Oval Office, Protest Their Evil, Murderous Governments."
A little help for CNN's headline writers.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 30, 2017 02:39 PM (BfOXk)
They are going to miss it because we're taking it back.
Trump's unilateral deals means he's turning everyone else against each other. They'll have to compete to impress us.
MAGA is what's for dinner.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 30, 2017 02:40 PM (4ErVI)
this shows the buses ... and some guy speaking Persian (I guess, maybe Austrian)
youtube.com/watch?v=9eDuryfzFME
Posted by: illiniwek at December 30, 2017 02:40 PM (otAqJ)
Anyone hear from Obama ? Anything ? Nada ?
Posted by: Possible TrumpTwitter
I don't know what you people want from me. I've already rescinded my offer to give Texas to the Iranians if they didn't develop nukes.
**cough**for 2 months**cough**
Posted by: Barack "Let's Make a Deal" Obama at December 30, 2017 02:41 PM (LAe3v)
How do you know?
Why is Afghanistan the longest war this country's ever had again? What was our purpose there??? Our endgame???
You guys sure are hawkish like you've learned nothing from the last 30 years of mideast politics and warfighting
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:32 PM (9TR2V)
Yes, let's just sit on our hands and let the world's #1 sponsor of terrorism, on the road to developing nukes and exporting that tech to the NorKs, who believe and want Armageddon against us stay in power and crush a population that hates Islamic fundamentalism.
We should be doing everything we can to help topple that regime. And it doesn't necessarily involve war. Naval blockade of the Gulf and freezing all assets right now, as well as all forms of covert ops with I'm sure the Israelis and Saudis.
This is where intervention is in our national interest. To not see this is to be willfully ignorant or just obtuse.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:42 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 30, 2017 02:42 PM (otAqJ)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:42 PM (In2qM)
Two years ago this coming January I was at a trade fair in Dubai that had attendees from all over the region including Iranians. Virtually all of them were dressed in western clothes and were quite personable even with us Americans.
They were practically begging us to do business with them and we had to keep telling them that it was illegal for us to do so. They weren't angry at us, they were angry at their own government for making that the case.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:42 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 30, 2017 02:43 PM (/qEW2)
Noone was talking about war until they did.
Noone else remembers that???
It starts with bold gestures affirming the local freedom fighters.. always does.
Why do we always assume that our opponents are being sold a bill of goods but we're not???
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:43 PM (9TR2V)
Posted by: your betters at the NYT at December 30, 2017 02:43 PM (d6iST)
CNN-Clinton News Network
CNN-Completely negligible news source
Add your own!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 02:43 PM (8+Ozj)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks
And I haven't cared in the slightest since 1969.
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:44 PM (LAe3v)
Liberalization? I doubt I would phrase it that way.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 30, 2017 02:44 PM (SjImc)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2017 02:45 PM (O2RFr)
60 God keep the young rebels. It's so odd that so many of our own youth want nothing more than to be slaves.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 02:22 PM (WbIyz)
Waaaah! They're gutting Cards Against Humanity!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 30, 2017 02:45 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 02:45 PM (arhmY)
#Film@11!
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2017 02:45 PM (HbNSs)
What in the fuck are you talking about? We are watching Iranian citizens protest against their own theocratic dictatorship and cheering them on and condemning the coverage of our own media which is seeking to spin this as anti-Trump and somehow you get a military invasion and nation building out of that?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:35 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:32 PM (9TR2V)
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Could you please point to anyone advocating war in Iran?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2017 02:35 PM (gC2IV)
Careful guys. Too many of you start criticizing his comments and little Maxie will accuse you of labeling him Emmanuel Goldstein.
Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2017 02:45 PM (cAnNx)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:36 PM (mbhDw)
I saw something the other day about Trump and Netanyahu signing some document to put the screws to Iran.
I wonder if these demonstrations are related? Doubtful because it would take a lot of assets in country to make it happen.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:42 PM (mbhDw)
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There's always option c: evil.
I no longer give leftists the benefit of a doubt.
Posted by: Blake at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:03 PM (6gGph)
If you did her, you'd have to do her in the ass, because she doesn't have a moral **** to fuck with.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (d6iST)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:12 PM (/tuJf)
Lying weasels.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (8+Ozj)
Noone was talking about war until they did.
Noone else remembers that???
It starts with bold gestures affirming the local freedom fighters.. always does.
Why do we always assume that our opponents are being sold a bill of goods but we're not???
Let me refresh your memory. The wars in Iraq had nothing to do with locals protesting against their governments. It had to do with Islamic nuts flying planes full of Americans into buildings and killing thousands of Americans.
There is absolutely no comparison to what we are seeing right now with Afghanistan and Iraq.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (/tuJf)
With a pillow.
Until it's dead.
If I think about this any more my head will explode.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (oVWx5)
A lot of young people are going to have their eyes opened during the Trump presidency.
Posted by: Max Power
Their eyes wide shut
Posted by: Shaka when the walls fell at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 30, 2017 02:07 PM (oVJmc)
MIGA, please
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:28 PM (ANIFC)
I am choking to death here.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 02:47 PM (WbIyz)
Hope to God I'm wrong.
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:47 PM (9TR2V)
I have five words plus six more:
Walter Duranty
Holodomar
Pulitzer Prize
And the final six:
New York Times, go to Hell.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:27 PM (mbhDw)
Amen. Coincidentally enough I was recently talking to my eldest child about this very thing in the context of MFM coverups and propaganda going way back, and why the explosion of new media on the Internet is a net good, despite some of the drawbacks.
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 02:47 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 30, 2017 02:47 PM (SjImc)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 30, 2017 02:48 PM (/qEW2)
Fleets of white vans are flooding this nation's roadways!
The counter-revolution of DJT and the alt-right has begun!
Notify the stalwart warriors of #TheResistance, #HollywoodBattalion!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 30, 2017 02:48 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: baldilocks at December 30, 2017 02:36 PM (SIP8o)
Hi, baldilocks. Long time.
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:48 PM (6gGph)
The wars in Iraq had nothing to do with locals protesting against their governments. It had to do with Islamic nuts flying planes full of Americans into buildings and killing thousands of Americans.
How many Iraqis flew planes into buildings?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 30, 2017 02:48 PM (IqV8l)
BTW, just got my last big ammo purchase delivered. I wasn't going to buy anymore but I felt I owed it to myself....and my enemies.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 30, 2017 02:48 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 02:48 PM (vV/gB)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:12 PM (/tuJf)
____________________________________
Nothing that Bernie Sanders couldn't fix with a little Venezuelan socialism.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 02:49 PM (arhmY)
Boy, Obama and we really dodged a bullet in 2009, huh. Who knows what kind of dangerous s*** Neda was up to.
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:49 PM (LAe3v)
Hope to God I'm wrong.
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:47 PM (9TR2V)
As long as you don't mean the agents of allies and maybe some of of our own spooks on the ground there, I'l take that bet
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 30, 2017 02:49 PM (SjImc)
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 30, 2017 02:49 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 30, 2017 02:48 PM (/qEW2)
I think it's the Iranian version of Grindr.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 30, 2017 02:49 PM (4ErVI)
Hope to God I'm wrong.
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:47 PM (9TR2V)
I'll take that bet.
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 02:50 PM (T71PA)
Hope to God I'm wrong.
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:47 PM (9TR2V)
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Liar.
You'll be here in a heartbeat, gloating while telling everyone "I told you so."
Posted by: Blake at December 30, 2017 02:50 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2017 02:50 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 30, 2017 02:50 PM (SjImc)
I'll take that bet, x1000. ATC can hold the money. Or were you just blowing smoke out your ass?
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:50 PM (LAe3v)
For good or ill, virtually all popular culture in the world comes from the US (to be fair, they might have a point here).
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 30, 2017 02:38 PM (eXA4G)
You touched on something important there. Back when Hollywood was making Jimmy Stewart and John Wayne movies, they made plenty of people in foreign countries want to emulate Americans. Jazz music became popular around the world, including behind the Iron Curtain.
Today they see the raw sewage being pumped out by America's entertainment industry and are disgusted. One can even sympathize with observant Muslims who are outraged that the West wants to turn their daughters into whores.
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 02:51 PM (sdi6R)
http://bit.ly/2CcZ1sl
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 30, 2017 02:51 PM (+y/Ru)
I'm reading an interesting article from Military History on a 19th Russian (actually Chechen) adventurer's attempt to establish a Cossack colony at a port in what is now Djibouti (currently the site of our Camp Lemonnier and the new Chinese port). It was fueled by Slavophile expansion and a feeling of common cultural ground with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
Spoiler: It was a resounding failure. Cossacks, being Cossacks, soon resorted to rapine and slaughter, they pissed off the local tribes and the Europeans, and their colony was shelled by the French. Ashinov was exiled to the Volga River region.
Still...perhaps Uncle Palp should give it another go?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 30, 2017 02:51 PM (qJtVm)
Should anything, even a hang nail come about, it is all evil Trump's fault.
Posted by: This is CNN at December 30, 2017 02:51 PM (3BFzK)
I don't care what anybody says; those "independent journalists" make mighty fine slaves!
Posted by: Ayatollah Kho-anchor at December 30, 2017 02:51 PM (Ndje9)
What would we gain?
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 02:51 PM (WbIyz)
149 I don't want the World to "like" the US I want them to fear us...
Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (O2RFr)
Let them hate, so long as they fear.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 30, 2017 02:52 PM (eXA4G)
Noone was talking about war until they did.
Noone else remembers that???
It starts with bold gestures affirming the local freedom fighters.. always does.
Why do we always assume that our opponents are being sold a bill of goods but we're not???
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:43 PM (9TR2V)
We were talking about war with AQ, who were harbored & supported by the Taliban government of Afghanistan, as soon as it was known they were responsible for 9/11. had nothing to do with supporting "local freedom fighters."
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:52 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: logprof at December 30, 2017 02:52 PM (pHGAx)
Really? Are we really going to fight the start of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq again?
I thought by now it was pretty much common knowledge that we were fighting against transnational terrorists who made their homes in places like Afghanistan and Iraq and against the governments that harbored them but if some think it was because the locals were protesting against food and gas prices have at it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:52 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 02:52 PM (vV/gB)
Are there railroad tracks there for his armored train?
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 02:52 PM (WbIyz)
Bias. Front and center.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 02:53 PM (arhmY)
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at December 30, 2017 02:53 PM (hMwEB)
Fleets of white vans are flooding this nation's roadways!
The counter-revolution of DJT and the alt-right has begun!
Notify the stalwart warriors of #TheResistance, #HollywoodBattalion!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 30, 2017 02:48 PM (pNxlR)
White vans are a dogwhistle for White Nationalists.
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 02:53 PM (sdi6R)
Where he became a boatman. They even wrote a song about it.
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 02:53 PM (NWiLs)
Your description of Iraq and A'stan bear not the slightest resemblance to history or reality. And to think that US military action is implied or in play WRT Iran's internal turmoil is just idiotic.
And it's not just the idiot "left" or Dems who make informed people reluctant to go or support sending Americans into harms' way any more - it's people like you and others here (sadly), who combine a Code Pink understanding of the world with an NPR-level of information.
But the internalization of MSM/Beltway mindlessness on this topic extends all the way up the chain around here, so it's best just left alone, in a triage sense.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 02:53 PM (iynDC)
What would we gain?
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Apricots and Dates!
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 02:53 PM (vV/gB)
Bah.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 30, 2017 02:54 PM (MIKMs)
I'm reading an interesting article from Military History on a 19th Russian (actually Chechen) adventurer's attempt to establish a Cossack colony at a port in what is now Djibouti (currently the site of our Camp Lemonnier and the new Chinese port). It was fueled by Slavophile expansion and a feeling of common cultural ground with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
Spoiler: It was a resounding failure. Cossacks, being Cossacks, soon resorted to rapine and slaughter, they pissed off the local tribes and the Europeans, and their colony was shelled by the French. Ashinov was exiled to the Volga River region.
Still...perhaps Uncle Palp should give it another go?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 30, 2017 02:51 PM (qJtVm)
That sounds really interesting. Is that in the current issue of Military History? I gave up on them about 10 years ago.
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:54 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 30, 2017 02:54 PM (SjImc)
It doesn't count until they hang a few government weenies with turbans from lamp posts.
Posted by: Puddin Head
The Persians are a resourceful people. I'm sure they can be more creative than that.
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:54 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:54 PM (In2qM)
149 I don't want the World to "like" the US I want them to fear us...
Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2017 02:46 PM (O2RFr)
Let them hate, so long as they fear.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 30, 2017 02:52 PM (eXA4G)
Oderint dum metuant.
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 02:54 PM (NWiLs)
What would we gain?
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Apricots and Dates!
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 02:53 PM (vV/gB)
I could use a date.
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:54 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 02:55 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Mega at December 30, 2017 02:55 PM (rv0Fo)
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Mrs. Wrecks wanted to see Spielberg's new movie starring Squirrel Screech about how WaPo took down a president. If she goes, it'll be without the Anonosaurus.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 30, 2017 02:55 PM (+y/Ru)
http://bit.ly/2CcZ1sl
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 30, 2017 02:51 PM (+y/Ru)
More like Don Logan from "Sexy Beast." That clip alone is all the proof you need that there is no such thing as journalism as it is/was defined.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 02:55 PM (mbhDw)
understanding of the world with an NPR-level of information.
Dude, there's no need to go nuclear, at least not yet. Very amusing, though.
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:56 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Orson at December 30, 2017 02:56 PM (HdSHl)
She's another one who fooled me. I knew she wasn't really a conservative, but didn't think she was as far gone as this.
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (LAe3v)
Have you ever seen her on tv? She looks like a homeless person that dresses in stuff even Goodwill can't give away.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 30, 2017 02:57 PM (y7DUB)
Vans In White Satin,
Never Reaching the End
Honest Reports we've Written,
Never Meaning to Send
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 02:57 PM (vV/gB)
Posted by: jsg at December 30, 2017 02:39 PM (gSwpy)
hmmm, this may make it possible to put the nails in a lot more treasonous deep state coffins
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 02:57 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 30, 2017 02:58 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 30, 2017 02:58 PM (ppaKI)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-30/
jihadist-group-blows-oil-pipeline-iran-midst-protests
i question the timing...
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2017 02:58 PM (HbNSs)
AQnd more appropriately, what congressional authorization gave it to Ob+mao?
Why doesn't the presstitutes do their job?
Posted by: torabora at December 30, 2017 02:58 PM (sgGDX)
I thought the JEF got rid of sanctions and airlifted billions to Iran. Huh.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 30, 2017 02:59 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Captain Hate
Can't say I have. Does she at least wear pants?
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:59 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 02:59 PM (vV/gB)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:59 PM (In2qM)
Maxiepad, The Arabs have been at war with us since 1973, when they assassin ated Amb Noel. If you take a limited view.
Saying enough isn't warmongering
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 02:37 PM (In2qM)
The muzzies have been at war with civilization since 632 A.D.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2017 02:59 PM (d6iST)
State Dept shadow-govt moles are providing Fake News with this pro-iranian govt BULLSHIT.
--
Actually, we just email our friend Aubrey at The Guardian, and he tells us the rightthink.
Posted by: CNN/ NYT reporters at December 30, 2017 03:00 PM (aT+Bx)
Trump did the sword dance in SA ... seems at least some decided regime change here was a good time for them to get on board fighting terrorism in their own realm.
Maybe the average Mo' six pack in the MENA really doesn't love the terrorists as much as Obama/Hillary did.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 30, 2017 03:00 PM (otAqJ)
Nothings changed
Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2017 03:00 PM (O2RFr)
And I can't see how rapine and general savagery would put any locals off - the Danakil are among the most colorfully brutal sorts that still walk the earth.
Talk about assimilating to a different climate, though. Oh boy.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:00 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at December 30, 2017 03:00 PM (dq5u8)
The funny part was that the disclosure made JFK and LBJ look bad, not Nixon.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:00 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: DaveA at December 30, 2017 03:01 PM (FhXTo)
'MaXie', btw is a big banana splits supporter. The divisive, argumentative one who has already been banned once.
The sheets are coming off.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 30, 2017 03:01 PM (2FqvZ)
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Picking cotton on Plantation Obama.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 30, 2017 03:01 PM (+y/Ru)
Jennifer Ruboneout is a leftwing stooge. To be ignored and/or mocked mercilessly.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:01 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:01 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: jsg at December 30, 2017 03:01 PM (gSwpy)
Posted by: Marie Harf, on the verge of unemployment herself at December 30, 2017 03:01 PM (Ndje9)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at December 30, 2017 03:02 PM (dq5u8)
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Thanks for the tip, that's a great idea!
We're going to lead with "Alt-right deplorable reactionary hard-liners that share the same values at the nationalist Nazi loving Tea Party members."
Posted by: CNN/ NYT reporters at December 30, 2017 03:02 PM (aT+Bx)
The funny part was that the disclosure made JFK and LBJ look bad, not Nixon.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:00 PM (WbIyz)
They let the traitor go though since allegedly Nixon's crew were on a mission to discredit him.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 30, 2017 03:02 PM (2DOZq)
The funny part was that the disclosure made JFK and LBJ look bad, not Nixon.
Posted by: Grump928
Crushed McNamara
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 03:03 PM (In2qM)
Hardest hit: Hugh Hewitt, who first gave her a voice as if she has anything intelligent to say.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:03 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:03 PM (mbhDw)
Supporting freedom is totes supporting military action all over the globe, and being in favor of peace means hoping for the long, healthy, wealthy lives of dictators all over the globe. -- a position some people apparently take, despite it being incoherent
Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 30, 2017 03:03 PM (fVubI)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 03:03 PM (vV/gB)
I love me some migas...eggs scrambled w onion, toms andchilies and crispy pieces of corn tortillas and some grated cheese on top.
MIGAS.
OK, i get it now...pinche farsis.
Posted by: Pancho at December 30, 2017 03:03 PM (9YwhQ)
Posted by: torabora at December 30, 2017 02:58 PM (sgGDX)
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they do:
their j*b is to push "Teh Narrative" and protect the #DerpState...
which is what they do, relentlessly.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2017 03:04 PM (HbNSs)
Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2017 02:45 PM (cAnNx)
don't forget that the mean girlz clique is behind all of this opposition to him & his brothers, and you're white knighting for them (us).
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 03:04 PM (B3iHx)
Posted by: Professional Liars Club at December 30, 2017 03:04 PM (Ndje9)
- This Is CNN
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 30, 2017 03:04 PM (+y/Ru)
Nothings changed
The modern traitors are more likely to suck dick by choice.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 30, 2017 03:04 PM (fVubI)
And I can't see how rapine and general savagery would put any locals off - the Danakil are among the most colorfully brutal sorts that still walk the earth.
Talk about assimilating to a different climate, though. Oh boy.
Posted by: Farshimmelt
Had to have been done Great Game Russian cash behind that move.
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 03:04 PM (In2qM)
She was 100% wrong both times.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 30, 2017 03:04 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Marie Harf, on the verge of unemployment herself at December 30, 2017 03:01 PM (Ndje9)
Please send $20000000US via Pallets-o-Cash-o-gram for Midnight Basketballs to Tehran Community College and remain blessed.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:04 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 03:04 PM (arhmY)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 03:05 PM (In2qM)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 30, 2017 03:05 PM (2DOZq)
Hardest hit: Hugh Hewitt, who first gave her a voice as if she has anything intelligent to say.
You know who this benefits, don't you?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 30, 2017 03:05 PM (oVJmc)
make it five
Posted by: concrete girl at December 30, 2017 03:05 PM (9R040)
CNN's news coverage has nothing to do with reality. It has to do with making liberals, democrats, and Obama look good.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 30, 2017 03:05 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 03:05 PM (6gGph)
Ron Paul !!!!
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 30, 2017 03:05 PM (2D
Silver Dirhams!!!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:05 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 03:05 PM (vV/gB)
Posted by: Captain Hate
Can't say I have. Does she at least wear pants?
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 02:59 PM (LAe3v)
Goolag Tucker Carlson Jen Rubin; every time Tucker challenged her on her asinine statements she started shuffling through a huge stack of papers like an insane hoarder pushing a grocery cart around. For someone who used to be an attorney for Whoreyweird studios, she has no sense of how to present herself on camera. Or just doesn't care.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 30, 2017 03:06 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 03:06 PM (arhmY)
Yes, #MIGA. Not some suicidal theocracy aligned with the midget North Korean dictator who may cause the death of millions of his countrymen/women.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 30, 2017 03:06 PM (2FqvZ)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 03:06 PM (arhmY)
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They're protesting Trump's tax cuts!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 30, 2017 03:07 PM (+y/Ru)
If by "action" you mean "shopping opportunities on the Ginza strip in Japan."
Better than the shopping on the Gaza strip.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 30, 2017 03:07 PM (lKyWE)
If it weren't for sites like Ace of Spades, I wouldn't have any idea what those frauds are reporting.
Fu*k 'em.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 30, 2017 03:07 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: CNN at December 30, 2017 03:08 PM (gSwpy)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 02:53 PM (vV/gB)
And some of those Iranian wimmenz are pretty hot. You can keep the apricots.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2017 03:08 PM (d6iST)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 03:06 PM (arhmY)
See my comment upthread at 108.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:08 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Newsweak at December 30, 2017 03:08 PM (3BFzK)
Speaking of Harf, the NYT is now pushing a story that the Russia collusion investigation was actually started not by the phony Russia collusion dossier or corrupt agents at the FBI of equally corrupt lawyers at the DOJ but by a drunken conversation between George Papadopolus, the guy Mueller indicted for lying to the FBI, when he had a drunken conversation with an Australian diplomat whom he told the Russians were pushing dirt on Hillary Clinton.
Leave aside for a moment this Pop has been described as a low level coffee boy who spent a couple weeks with the campaign, the article was co-written by Mark Mazzetti who was proven to be a collaborator with the Obama administration and specifically Marie Harf to make Obama look good over the bin Laden raid.
They are getting desperate.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 03:09 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot
Hopefully, "We don't comment about ongoing operations."
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2017 03:09 PM (In2qM)
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 30, 2017 03:06 PM (y7DUB)
These documents I hold in my hand will lead to the impeachment of Donald Trump.
By the end of next year, Jen Rubin will be handing out mimeographed anti-Trump screeds on the street corner.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 30, 2017 03:09 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2017 02:45 PM (cAnNx)
Yeah, MaXie is a one note troll, with much love for Banana Splits.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 30, 2017 03:09 PM (2FqvZ)
In fairness, it was the 17th most holy site in Islam.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:09 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 02:53 PM (vV/gB)
And some of those Iranian wimmenz are pretty hot. You can keep the apricots.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2017 03:08 PM (d6iST)
I dated one briefly. As Woody Allen once wrote "she had a body that described a set of parabolas that could cause a cardiac arrest in a yak!"
Mean body. *wistful sigh of boners past*
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:10 PM (mbhDw)
The Free Beacon MSNBC year-end summary linked in the sidebar has a clip of Kasie Hunt gleeful over Rand Paul getting shot
Huh?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 30, 2017 03:10 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 03:10 PM (LAe3v)
We already told you.
Posted by: CNN: Lovingly Ironing Obama's Pant-Crease at December 30, 2017 03:10 PM (Ndje9)
The Free Beacon MSNBC year-end summary linked in the sidebar has a clip of Kasie Hunt gleeful over Rand Paul getting shot
Huh?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 30, 2017 03:10 PM (IqV8l)
Shot / Tackled
220 221
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 30, 2017 03:11 PM (2DOZq)
Better than the shopping on the Gaza strip.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 30, 2017 03:07 PM (lKyWE)
As that Muslim pubic hairdo?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:11 PM (mbhDw)
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There are 15 (fifteen! of the 17!) other 'intelligence' agencies who need love. CNN wants to provide for them. All 17 is too much, but they can handle 15. /s
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 30, 2017 03:11 PM (MIKMs)
Sure thing.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 02:12 PM (/tuJf)
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There are other ways CNN could spin this. From wikipedia's article on the 2009 movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Green_Movement
Background to the protests
The office of the President in Iran is considered the second powerful position in the country as it is granted significant power. Since 2005, Iran was led by Conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who served as Tehran mayor before being elected as President.[7] Ahmadinejad's name was associated with the profound human rights violations in the country, particularly with the use of violence. The list of these violations included the increased level of death penalty and problems with LGBT rights.
So that's the other angle CNN could employ in order to bias coverage in favor of the protestors and against the government. They could say, "The Iranian government are conservative homophobes, just like Trump and his ilk. The average Iranian, being liberal and pro-gay, have been alarmed by the rise of Trump and so the protests against their own government are actually a backlash upon what they see as the oppression and bigotry of the Trump regime".
So many ways to spin this. It must make them giddy with the possibilities.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 30, 2017 03:11 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 02:48 PM (6gGph)
---Happy New Year!
Posted by: baldilocks at December 30, 2017 03:11 PM (SIP8o)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 03:06 PM (arhmY)
She's cursing a blue streak in Farsi.
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 03:12 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: kakisto, slayin' all day at December 30, 2017 03:12 PM (AJwk0)
The Sandra Fluke of Cable News.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:12 PM (WbIyz)
'MaXie', btw is a big banana splits supporter. The divisive, argumentative one who has already been banned once.
The sheets are coming off.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 30, 2017 03:01 PM (
Ha! he's a returnee too. Maet banned him for threatening me. when Maet retired, somebody let him back in.
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 03:13 PM (B3iHx)
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 03:13 PM (LAe3v)
The Free Beacon MSNBC year-end summary linked in the sidebar has a clip of Kasie Hunt gleeful over Rand Paul getting shot
Huh?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 30, 2017 03:10 PM (IqV8l)
Sorry!!! Assaulted. Bad bad slip there.
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 03:13 PM (6gGph)
LOL, Well, at least it's good to get some black humor from her carryings-on.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 03:13 PM (8+Ozj)
Like attracting like I suppose.
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 03:13 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 02:54 PM (ANIFC)
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It's the March 2018 edition (from the future!). Couldn't get an online link to the article.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 30, 2017 03:13 PM (qJtVm)
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At least she didn't wave around a binder with "Tucker Carlson's Big Book of Lies" scrawled on the cover.
Looking at you, Kurt Eichenwald.
Posted by: josephistan at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (8+Ozj)
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (NWiLs)
I can state with certainty that a number of problematic commenters are on very thin ice with the Cobs. And that is all I will say.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (mbhDw)
(standard AOSHQ salutation to long-gone beloved Hordeniks)
And Happy New Year to you too!
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 03:13 PM (B3iHx)
Nah he was back before then.
Typically talking shit and whining about the ONT in the morning thread. And crying about how people were being mean to Moo Moo.
Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (cAnNx)
Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (aC6Sd)
Geez guys, I'm standing right here.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (WbIyz)
Then the comments
http://tinyurl.com/yal4fd8x
on this op-ed on GMOs:
http://tinyurl.com/ycpff3fz (goes to WaPo).
In light of these, I am now officially stupided out for a while.
My favorite comment was by the retard that said:
"Monsanto and the like are not going to offer up what they are inserting into what they are working on b/c they are interested in patents & profits."
Apparently, he does not know what the word "patent" means. Nor does he know that to get a patent you must disclose fully exactly what you did on which you wish to get a patent.
Inventor: "I'd like to get a patent on something I just did."
Patent examiner: "OK, what is it?"
Inventor: "I can't tell you."
Patent examiner: "OK, no problem. Here's your patent."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (WmqYl)
Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (aC6Sd)
Now that I think on it, Vladimir Posner reminds me of Average Joe.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:16 PM (mbhDw)
The food thing -- yes.
Petroleum products too expensive?
Sounds like they are pilfering the profits for the nuclear program.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 03:16 PM (arhmY)
Is he still alive? Well, either of them actually.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:17 PM (WbIyz)
Patent examiner: "OK, what is it?"
Inventor: "I can't tell you."
Patent examiner: "OK, no problem. Here's your patent."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (WmqYl)
A slight variation of this dialogue is how I got out of a murder charge.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 30, 2017 03:17 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (WbIyz)
Not you.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:17 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (mbhDw)
then i'm probably toast because i'm "mean".
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 03:17 PM (B3iHx)
Real journalists don't shriek, "No, no, no, no, no!" a dozen times when people are commenting on facts your network refuses to report.
Posted by: Sam Adams at December 30, 2017 03:17 PM (VDbGO)
Yeah, I saw that, too. It won't work. But nice try.
You've got to give this much to the Professional Liars; they are relentless. They've thought of ten different ways to lie about Trump before most of us have swallowed a cup of coffee. Its now All Agit/Prop, All the Time.
True pros.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 30, 2017 03:18 PM (Ndje9)
Wenck! Wenck! Not Steiner!
(Steiner effectively ignored the Fuhrerbunker order; Wenck had more resources and gave it the old college try, but quickly re-oriented towards getting displaced people - and those in uniform - towards the west, away from You Know Who)
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:18 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 30, 2017 03:18 PM (2DOZq)
Patent examiner: "OK, what is it?"
Inventor: "I can't tell you."
Patent examiner: "OK, no problem. Here's your patent."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (WmqYl)
Don't get me started on software patents.
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at December 30, 2017 03:18 PM (T71PA)
The food thing -- yes.
Petroleum products too expensive?
Sounds like they are pilfering the profits for the nuclear program.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 03:16 PM (arhmY)
Believe it or not, they only have one refinery. They used to have none until President you-know-who sent over all the money and they built one with it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:18 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (cAnNx
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we were mean to him only because he paid us to be that way...
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2017 03:19 PM (HbNSs)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (h1jJh)
Don't worry, we got your back. Or front.
If there's one thing that unites morons it is the defense of bodacious tatas.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (8+Ozj)
Not the same guy. MaXiE, formerly known as DaVe, or some variant, is OK on some subjects, but he seems to have a persecution complex.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (d6iST)
Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 30, 2017 03:09 PM (2FqvZ)
Also known as the Crew Clutch Clan
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (lKyWE)
if Shadow Government ops are indeed coordinating pro-mullah propaganda with their bedmates in the Ministry of Truth, I would say there is good cause for treason charges
Something I hope that Trump takes into consideration on reckoning day
Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (swEzU)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (aC6Sd)
See my #90.
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (sdi6R)
people are commenting on facts your network refuses to report.
You assume this bozo would know how a real journalist would behave.
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (LAe3v)
The proof is the entire Obama presidency where freedom became more endangered all over the world because he planned it so.
If Trump did nothing at all and just golfed the world will be a better place.
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (/3+Sg)
And I was misinterpreted.
Hey, I joined the party before the seizure of power!
I never really meant what I said, that was for domestic consumption!
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:21 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2017 03:21 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:21 PM (WbIyz)
I can state with certainty that a number of problematic commenters are on very thin ice with the Cobs. And that is all I will say.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (mbhDw)
+++
Uh-oh.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 30, 2017 03:21 PM (tcwn1)
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 03:13 PM (B3iHx)
So both Maet and CBD banned his ass? Maybe it's time Ace pulled the plug. For good.
IIRC, Maet got tired of babysitting the shit-stirrers. Why not just throw the shit-strirrer(s) out?
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 30, 2017 03:21 PM (2FqvZ)
Posted by: Recently-discovered Giant Pre-Historic Squid at December 30, 2017 03:21 PM (Ndje9)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (d6iST)
Oh now you've gone and done it. You've just doxed him!
Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2017 03:21 PM (cAnNx)
http://tinyurl.com/yal4fd8x
on this op-ed on GMOs:
http://tinyurl.com/ycpff3fz (goes to WaPo).
Gregor Mendel weeps.
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 03:23 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:23 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Hitler Meme fan at December 30, 2017 03:23 PM (U5Xeq)
The Middle East shows us in a stark contrast the differences of the two presidencies.
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 03:23 PM (/3+Sg)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 03:20 PM (/
if grimmy breaks out the purple drank on new years, there could very well be fresh front lol
Posted by: bebe's boobs boobs destroy at December 30, 2017 03:23 PM (hscyr)
make, no matter how well-liked you are by your colleagues, no matter how
many invites you receive to the "right" cocktail parties, you still
have to live with the knowledge that every time you stand before a
mirror, you are gazing into the eyes of a complete and total fraud.
It is my observation that most high-achieving people at one time or another have experienced "imposter syndrome", in which they assume they're a fraud, and will sooner or later be exposed. It's a strong motivator to up one's game.
The difference is that people who work for CNN really are frauds, and lack the self-awareness to know it.
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 03:24 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (mbhDw)
Ha! I was wondering why someone was sleeping a couple hours later in the morning before appearing in the 'Art Thread'.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 30, 2017 03:24 PM (2FqvZ)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Years ago my parents had neighbors who were from Iran. They came here because they didn't like the extremist Muslim stuff. The women liked to look good. They never referred to themselves as Iranian, they were Persians.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 30, 2017 03:24 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2017 03:21 PM (cAnNx)
Yep. Narrowed him down to one of the 93,547 guys named "Dave" who live in greater L.A.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2017 03:24 PM (d6iST)
Posted by: Voter Dude at December 30, 2017 03:25 PM (U5Xeq)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2017 03:24 PM (d6iST)
Dave's not here.
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 03:25 PM (NWiLs)
156 137 Tell ya what I'll bet you a dollar we'll have boots on the ground in Iran this time next year.
Hope to God I'm wrong.
Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:47 PM (9TR2V
I don't think we could normalize trade that soon after a democratic revolution. Widespread boot imports could cause disruption in the local economy.
Who knows, maybe there is a critical shortage of purple go-go boots amongst the people and it is a humanitarian crisis.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at December 30, 2017 03:25 PM (e1mEI)
Since I've crossed the rubicon, I appreciate buzzion's archivist and "president pro tempore" role in the Horde. For a dead guy, very handy institutional memory who can provide historical context.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:26 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (mbhDw)
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Blood will flow.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 03:26 PM (vV/gB)
Posted by: Things we saw at December 30, 2017 03:26 PM (sgGDX)
Posted by: Monty Python at December 30, 2017 03:26 PM (arhmY)
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He's been acting kooky for years, like 4 or 5 years. I don't remember what happened but it was on an ONT a long while ago.
Posted by: John Marston at December 30, 2017 03:27 PM (SkuXa)
Posted by: RI Red - Expert on everything expert at December 30, 2017 03:27 PM (yknOn)
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Comrade not proud, envious. We had glorious future and western capitalist media takes future away. In USSA you future is glorious, GLORIOUS!!!!
Posted by: PRAVDA at December 30, 2017 03:27 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Puddin Head
How about spears? Will they be shaken? Will shields be shattered?
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 03:27 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:14 PM (mbhDw)
Ha! I was wondering why someone was sleeping a couple hours later in the morning before appearing in the 'Art Thread'.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 30, 2017 03:24 PM (2FqvZ)
I avoid him at all costs if/when he does.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:28 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 30, 2017 03:28 PM (IqV8l)
Patent examiner: "OK, what is it?"
Inventor: "I can't tell you."
Patent examiner: "OK, no problem. Here's your patent."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:15 PM (WmqYl)
Don't get me started on software patents.
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF?
Yeah, a client of mine was just awarded a patent that was not software related. I said it sounded as fun as dousing yourself with gasoline and then setting yourself on fire. He added "yes, it was exactly like that, however, I needed to have fire blanket handy so I could put the fire out and then set myself on fire again."
Posted by: shibumi at December 30, 2017 03:29 PM (aT+Bx)
Do they realise that passengers at airports are not looking at screens showing CNNN's lies? People are checking the news on their phones from almost every other source.
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 03:29 PM (/3+Sg)
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 30, 2017 03:24 PM (+lVUW)
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Have a nephew who's married to a nice Persian lady. The girl couldn't be more LA CA type if if she tried.
Posted by: Blake at December 30, 2017 03:29 PM (WEBkv)
http://tinyurl.com/yal4fd8x
on this op-ed on GMOs:
http://tinyurl.com/ycpff3fz (goes to WaPo).
Gregor Mendel weeps.
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 03:23 PM (NWiLs)
Amazing, aren't they?
Leftists seem always for choice to go in for ad hominem attacks, alleging financial considerations as the motive for anyone pointing out the flaws in their "reasoning." That, plus invoking - but not citing - "studies" that, mirabile dictu, perfectly support their contention, despite being obvious rubbish, if they exist at all.
(I love the guy who said that "ethical independent scientists [aka 'crackpots'] were systematically ignored.")
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:29 PM (WmqYl)
because they didn't like the extremist Muslim stuff. The women liked to
look good. They never referred to themselves as Iranian, they were
Persians.
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Iranian jewish family I knew fled the country after '79 -- some were already here. Everybody made it out quickly except for the patriarch, who was some high-up in their congress. He had to literally trek over the mountains. Took him two years.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 30, 2017 03:29 PM (MIKMs)
Can you believe Chong is turning 80 years old .
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 30, 2017 03:29 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2017 03:30 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: CNN at December 30, 2017 03:30 PM (xwvEL)
BetteMidler@BetteMidler
A New Year. 3 more to go! Let's try to remember what our country was like before we were hijacked by this cretin and his villainous crew.
ROSIE@Rosie
we wont survive 3 more ...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 30, 2017 03:31 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: m at December 30, 2017 03:31 PM (6gGph)
Posted by: Lester at December 30, 2017 03:31 PM (LfJIn)
Posted by: geoffb at December 30, 2017 03:32 PM (zOpu5)
Posted by: Voter Dude at December 30, 2017 03:25 PM (U5Xeq)
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This made me think of Israelis and airstrips, which reminded me of the new movie coming out, 7 Days in Entebbe.
"StudioCanal optioned the rights to "Operation Thunderbolt: Flight 139 and the Raid on Entebbe Airport, the Most Audacious Hostage Rescue Mission in History" (published December 1, 2015), by Saul David. The book contains information that had previously not been available for books written about "Operation Thunderbolt", due to classification and security reasons."
I saw the previews and it looks pretty good.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 30, 2017 03:32 PM (qJtVm)
Posted by: pep at December 30, 2017 03:32 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 03:32 PM (vV/gB)
137 Tell ya what I'll bet you a dollar we'll have boots on the ground in Iran this time next year. Hope to God I'm wrong. Posted by: MAxIE at December 30, 2017 02:47 PM (9TR2V
I'll take that bet.I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell of that happening under a Trump administration.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 30, 2017 03:33 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: shibumi at December 30, 2017 03:29 PM (aT+Bx)
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Yeah, I did some patent research for an idea I had many years ago. Found out if your idea is readily duplicated, a patent is merely a license for someone else to steel your idea.
Best trademark, copyright and defend trademark vigorously and once the copycats show up, you are the "original."
Posted by: Blake at December 30, 2017 03:33 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2017 03:33 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 30, 2017 03:29 PM (2DOZq)
Barely. Weed must have life-extending properties after all.
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 30, 2017 03:33 PM (NWiLs)
Don't know what it is about "liberals." From covering up Stalin's deliberate starvation campaigns, to excusing the horrors of the gulag, to whitewashing the brutality of the average Islamic state, there is NO totalitarian horror that doesn't meet with their approval.
But, they'll always condemn America, won't they?
ALWAYS.
And with ZERO hesitation.
Posted by: Sam Adams at December 30, 2017 03:34 PM (VDbGO)
For different reasons, Iran, like Cuba, is one place poised to explode (in a good way) if they ever manage to shake off their tyrannical, parasitic regimes.
One of the world's oldest commercial cultures - and not completely destroyed by the mullahs, by any means. An interesting case. At least for many years, parliamentary votes on economic matters were "real" (i.e., they could go either way, and you didn't know which way they'd go).
Foreign policy and obviously predominance of the clerics were off-limits, but a lot of things were not, in terms of open discussion and debate.
Odd mix. One of the most, if not THE most, dangerous and criminal global actors (clearly the winner in their weight class) for decades. But at home, by no means a thorough totalitarian system. Some important "gaps".
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:35 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: shibumi at December 30, 2017 03:29 PM (aT+Bx)
Getting a patent with meaningful coverage* is not easy. It generally entails multiple go-arounds with the patent examiner, who typically will reject all claims out of hand, and has to be talked into granting some smaller subset of them. Think audit by IRS, with the IRS auditor playing the role of the patent examiner, and you've got the idea.
* re "meaningful coverage" I mean something non-trivial. It's easy to get a patent if you narrow the claims to the point of insignificance, e.g., claiming the process X after having eaten a pastrami sandwich on rye and washed it down with root beer.
To infringe a claim, you have to meet every limitation of the claim, so you could practice process X after eating a pastrami sandwich but washing it down with Coke, and you do not infringe.
That's what I mean by "meaningful coverage."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:35 PM (WmqYl)
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The essence of American Football is how many ways can we punish defense in order to goose offense. Been that way ever since the Chicks starting watching the game.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 30, 2017 03:35 PM (vV/gB)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 30, 2017 03:36 PM (+y/Ru)
Iowa was robbed of a touchdown.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2017 03:36 PM (dKiJG)
She continued, "A lot of nations and their populations, no matter how they feel about their governments in particular, do perceive the United States as not really having a moral leg to stand on." "
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Wearing the Palestinian scarf gives her the power to divine what everyone in the world thinks.
With a power like that you would think she would be POTUS rather than a CNN hack.
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 03:37 PM (/3+Sg)
I will visit him this afternoon. I am sure he is very glad to see the people rise up in Iran against the Islamic mobsters. I am also sure that he will be saddened by the loss of life by the protestors that appears inevitable.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2017 03:38 PM (arhmY)
Don't know what it is about "liberals." From covering up Stalin's deliberate starvation campaigns, to excusing the horrors of the gulag, to whitewashing the brutality of the average Islamic state, there is NO totalitarian horror that doesn't meet with their approval.
Posted by: Sam Adams at December 30, 2017 03:34 PM (VDbGO)
And they unfailingly blame America and capitalism for the economic misery in socialist countries like Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela.
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 03:38 PM (sdi6R)
BetteMidler@BetteMidler
A New Year. 3 more to go! Let's try to remember what our country was
like before we were hijacked by this cretin and his villainous crew.
ROSIE@Rosie
we wont survive 3 more ...
PaulKrugman@EconomicIdiot
The markets will never recover. Tax cuts stunt economic growth and there is no way the USA will ever see3% GDP growth again. Trump is a buffoon to say GDP can go to 4%.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 30, 2017 03:38 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at December 30, 2017 03:38 PM (eAMlh)
They lied to us for decades and used social pressure like "political correctness" to prevent us from telling simple truths. But the dam has broken. Their way doesn't work, and the only way they can defend it is with lies and violence. We're kicking it old-school because that's worked for millennia and not only can the snowflakes do nothing about it, but nobody is even listening to them any more.
I didn't think Trump was going to be much of a President. I thought we'd have to stumble through four years of a blowhard to prevent a venal kleptocrat from becoming President and cementing America's decline.
But the salutatory effect Trump has had on the entire world is just amazing. Saudia Arabia, Japan, China, Korea, Israel, and now Iran. Hell, our interests may not align with Putin's Russia but it's clear Putin at least respects Trump. Maybe our future is brighter than I thought. Maybe my kids will live in a free, prosperous America. And maybe we'll learn this time to tell them to go die in a fire when they try to tell us what we can't say or think.
Posted by: Viridian at December 30, 2017 03:38 PM (oXqPF)
She continued, "A lot of nations and their populations, no matter how they feel about their governments in particular, do perceive the United States as not really having a moral leg to stand on." "
So ... kinda the way we feel about CNN. Or the entire MSM, come to that. Or Hollywood. Or academia. Or the political class generally.
Would that be about right?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:39 PM (WmqYl)
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:39 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2017 03:40 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2017 03:40 PM (aC6Sd)
get a patent if you narrow the claims to the point of insignificance,
e.g., claiming the process X after having eaten a pastrami sandwich on
rye and washed it down with root beer."
CORRECT!!! I never worried about patents with 20+ claims.
Now the ones with 1 or 2 claims were unbeatable.
The table patent:
A horizontal surface with a variety of means of support.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 30, 2017 03:41 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:39 PM (iynDC)
That was Roseanne Barr, not Rosie O'Donnell.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:41 PM (WmqYl)
>>That's what I mean by "meaningful coverage."
I'm actually the co-holder of two patents for streaming media distribution in wide area networks believe it or not.
1) They are an enormous pain in the ass to get
2) So what? Unless you are going to go to war to defend them they are often not worth the trouble.
I find it's much better just to drink.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 03:41 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Voter Dude at December 30, 2017 03:25 PM (U5Xeq)
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This made me think of Israelis and airstrips, which reminded me of the new movie coming out, 7 Days in Entebbe.
"StudioCanal optioned the rights to "Operation Thunderbolt: Flight 139 and the Raid on Entebbe Airport, the Most Audacious Hostage Rescue Mission in History" (published December 1, 2015), by Saul David. The book contains information that had previously not been available for books written about "Operation Thunderbolt", due to classification and security reasons."
I saw the previews and it looks pretty good.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 30, 2017 03:32 PM (qJtVm)
The book is good, I got the Audio version. What was left out is that Kenya allowed them to land in exchange for them to destroy the Uganda AirForce.
The MOSSAD did a fly over took pictures of the Airport.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2017 03:42 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: geoffb at December 30, 2017 03:43 PM (zOpu5)
Now the ones with 1 or 2 claims were unbeatable.
The table patent:
A horizontal surface with a variety of means of support.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 30, 2017 03:41 PM (3BFzK)
Not quite what I meant. The number of claims is irrelevant. Claim structure is typically an inverted pyramid, starting with the broadest claim you think you're entitled to, and concluding with the narrowest claim(s) you think are worth bothering with.
In infringement litigation one or more of the claims may be asserted. Broad claims catch more, but may inadvertently read on the prior art, and thereby be invalidated in litigation. Ideally the patent examiner would have caught the relevant prior art, and asserted it against the claim, but they're human, working under time pressure, and sometimes miss things.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:45 PM (WmqYl)
For reasons passing understanding, I suspended my firm decades-long policy of never engaging these idiots, and sheepishly asked "what do you mean. I mean, exactly what? What did you expect to happen?".
What followed was incoherent one-liner crap that jumped around, all of it nonsense. Bottom line: they had no ability to explain or support a single sentence they spout.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:45 PM (iynDC)
we wont survive 3 more ...
Indeed. I expect Rosie to either stroke out or eat a pistol before 2020.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 03:46 PM (WbIyz)
A New Year. 3 more to go! Let's try to remember what our country was like before we were hijacked by this cretin and his villainous crew.
ROSIE@Rosie
we wont survive 3 more ..."
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Promises, promises ...
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 03:46 PM (/3+Sg)
Not showboating here - but I had/have real problems distinguishing the two Rosies, never having paid any mind to either.
And I thought/assumed *both* would be histrionic dumb***t Hollywood types, and therefore anti-Trump.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:48 PM (iynDC)
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*cough*
Posted by: GDP at December 30, 2017 03:48 PM (M7eqI)
1) They are an enormous pain in the ass to get
2) So what? Unless you are going to go to war to defend them they are often not worth the trouble.
I find it's much better just to drink.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 03:41 PM (/tuJf)
They are an enormous pain in the ass to get.
Re enforcing them, some litigators will take some infringement actions on a contingency basis (obviously if they think you have a very strong case).
And some corporations, etc. will take a license when threatened just to avoid the hassle and expense of litigation. David v. Goliath tends to engender sympathy for David by judges and juries unless David does this kind of crap routinely ("patent troll").
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:50 PM (WmqYl)
Not showboating here - but I had/have real problems distinguishing the two Rosies, never having paid any mind to either.
And I thought/assumed *both* would be histrionic dumb***t Hollywood types, and therefore anti-Trump.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:48 PM (iynDC)
Me too. I remembered because I was stunned that Roseanne Barr wasn't anti-Trump. Quite the contrary, in fact.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2017 03:51 PM (WmqYl)
Posted by: jsg at December 30, 2017 03:52 PM (xwvEL)
Posted by: geoffb at December 30, 2017 03:53 PM (zOpu5)
I said that with Trump we'd get someone with Mad Media Skillz -- necessary for an R President right now -- and Rudy Giuliani pragmatism. Trump's doing on a bigger scale what Rudy did in NYC.
Local MSM hated on Rudy the full eight years, but he won Manhattan when he got re-elected. History can rhyme.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2017 03:53 PM (pV/54)
I hope PDT is funneling them aid, and weapons, lots of weapons, Russian AK's and RPGs. Folks are getting sick of the ragheads.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at December 30, 2017 03:55 PM (mgCYE)
"The entire world understands that the good people of Iran want change, and, other than the vast military power of the United States, that Iran's people are what their leaders fear the most...."
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/947180713236934657
Posted by: geoffb at December 30, 2017 03:55 PM (zOpu5)
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:56 PM (iynDC)
Report: ESPN's John Skipper Resigned Due to Sexual Harassment Issues, Not Substance Abuse - Breitbart
Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 30, 2017 03:56 PM (y3aQB)
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That is a very astute observation, I had not thought of the timing. I just thought it was ironic that the avalanche of accusations would fall on Liberals so soon after the anti Trump pussy hats rallies.
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 03:56 PM (/3+Sg)
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 03:57 PM (iynDC)
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I thought he would certainly give it all he had. An ego of his size would not allow him to fail. Becoming a president was not enough as that would just equal Obama, he wanted to surpass him.
Why is this so hard to understand for our "public" intelleckshuls? You would think they knew nothing of psychology and human behavior.
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 04:01 PM (/3+Sg)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 04:02 PM (8+Ozj)
Posted by: internet expert at December 30, 2017 04:04 PM (V3U1L)
With Democrat politicians one needs to be a little more specific since most of them appear to dumb and/or sociopathic and/or criminal. He would have liked Hillary to be President or still wanted Obama as President?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 04:05 PM (8+Ozj)
And each element of that pejorative description can be thoroughly documented, of course. It's not just trash talk - it's almost clinically technical and non-polemical.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 04:08 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 30, 2017 04:09 PM (/qEW2)
https://tinyurl.com/y7h2ojek
"Media coverage inside Iran focused almost exclusively on the pro-regime rallies held on Saturday..."
Haha not just inside Iran
This.Is.CNN
Posted by: jsg at December 30, 2017 04:10 PM (xwvEL)
Posted by: RI Red - Expert on everything expert at December 30, 2017 04:12 PM (yknOn)
CNN needs to die and no, I 'm wishing no physical harm on the "reporters"-but good grief their need to stick up for BFF Obama's policies is sickening
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 04:13 PM (8+Ozj)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 04:13 PM (WbIyz)
I didn't think it was pejorative. I think it's the truth.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 04:14 PM (8+Ozj)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 04:14 PM (WbIyz)
Suffering shocked face exhaustion.
Not yet tired of winning, though.
Posted by: mindful webworker - "You can't spell Triumph without Trump!" at December 30, 2017 04:16 PM (VQjKe)
Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 30, 2017 04:19 PM (BsGS1)
Chong has been a fitness buff since his teens. Trained with Gironda and was at Golds pre-Arnold.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Fa La La La La La La FA LA LA LA LA LA LA at December 30, 2017 04:22 PM (ZiMuX)
The scope and nature of the internal conflict in Iran, if it becomes acute, is not suitable for conventional US military intervention, for lots of reasons. Obviously. Covert or other support is always an option.
And we haven't been in any "tar-baby" wars - this is the essence of the ignorance/misunderstanding he revealed. Our interventions were compelled by events and our own interests, they like all wars involved assessing risks and outcomes, and there's no magic time-line or cost figure to any war.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 04:23 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: Don Q. at December 30, 2017 04:24 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 04:25 PM (iynDC)
https://twitter.com/ThunderB
I miss her commenting here.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2017 04:30 PM (8+Ozj)
Whatever hastens the arrival of Armageddon, right, Barky?
Posted by: Sam Adams at December 30, 2017 04:31 PM (VDbGO)
He didn't hit them at all when they were killing our men with IEDs and taking over Iran.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 04:34 PM (WbIyz)
Somehow I don't think starting a 3rd war at that time would have been accepted very well. Anywhere.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 04:38 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2017 04:42 PM (aC6Sd)
And so here we are.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 04:42 PM (WbIyz)
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I can and I do.
He had a responsibility to stop their nuclear expansion yet did nothing. I can understand if he didn't want to do anything during the 2008 presidential election campaign but once that was over he had more than two months and did nothing.
W was ultimately a huge disappointment.
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 04:43 PM (/3+Sg)
Yep. But you might as well blame Reagan because he didn't do squat to stop their expansion either.
Everything always looks easier in hindsight.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 04:46 PM (/tuJf)
It looked pretty clear to me at the time. Iran was supplying, and sometimes planting, the EFP that killed hundreds of our men. Bush knew where they were built and by who and did fucking nothing. Nothing.
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 04:50 PM (WbIyz)
I see your point. Just not sure what could have been done. We enjoyed 27 seconds of national unity following the attacks of September 11. After that, it was all, "Bush is Hitler!" b.s. for the next eight years. Democrats who voted in support of the Iraq War simply revised history through their lying MFM mouthpieces, proclaimed Bush a bigot and warmonger, indicted America, slandered every American soldier in harm's way, and mouthed whatever propaganda necessary to bolster America's enemies.
We are not one nation. Half of us absolutely HATE the other half, and wish to witness the complete destruction of the "United" States.
Posted by: Sam Adams at December 30, 2017 04:51 PM (VDbGO)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 04:52 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 04:53 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Grump928(C) internet shut-in at December 30, 2017 04:54 PM (WbIyz)
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So he had nothing to lose. What was the Left going to do? Call him Stalin?
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 04:55 PM (/3+Sg)
He wouldn't have even gotten supported here had he launched a 3rd war. I think there is some selective memory going on right now.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2017 05:01 PM (/tuJf)
https://tinyurl.com/yaag4lxa
Posted by: jsg at December 30, 2017 05:05 PM (gSwpy)
Posted by: Decaf at December 30, 2017 04:43 PM (/3+Sg)
The Patriot Act and the bailouts.
I was dead set against the bailouts because I thought we needed to get things over with instead of kicking the can down the road.
With the Patriot Act, I learned a hard lesson about giving government this kind of power. The Patriot Act may not have been as malevolent under Bush, but in the hands of the completely unscrupulous, it has been.
Posted by: Blake at December 30, 2017 05:06 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 30, 2017 05:14 PM (T28di)
Yes, we had long occupations of Germany and Japan, but that was after we had flattened them and dictated peace terms, and what their new governments should look like. Both Iraq and Afghanistan adopted constitutions which respected sharia law. That should never have been allowed, any more than letting the Nazis have a voice in the Bundestag in 1948.
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 05:17 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 30, 2017 05:18 PM (jWe5r)
Wasn't a question of a "3rd war" being "started". Iran has been at war with us since '79 - but that's not even the sense in which I mean it. The war was on in Iraq. Much could have been done that wasn't. Without a "new", or recognized, war.
Iran was operating totally covertly, that is to say quite brazenly in a "badly kept secret" sort of way. They were, and would have been, under the same muzzle if we had hit them hard - discreetly - back over the border.
But - not the case that nothing was done. Task Force Black was out hunting down "special groups" - Iranian/Pasdaran advisors/operatives - every night. Had some success. But it was a half-measure, and a squandering of the perfect opportunity to ramp up the pressure on Iran even more, and hurt them. And some here might even have had first-hand experience with the fury and frustration resulting from the lack of dramatic escalation following confirmation of Iranian fingerprints on the deadliest IEDs.
And it's pretty simplistic and unserious to blame Bush for the nuke program. His administration, as I noted earlier today, ramped up and improved the sanctions regime, and did other things, that were the most effective steps to weaken and isolate Iran since they started the war in '79.
A military solution to the nuke program was very uncertain on the practical level, obviously very dicey on the geopolitical level. So a possible path not followed, but not some obvious or easy solution that was simply ignored.
So, in summary - yes, the response to Iranian intervention in Iraq was woefully inadequate; no, it wasn't "nothing", not even close; no, doing a lot more would not have meant a new war, either politically or practically; and no, the Bush admin. cannot be reasonably blamed for the Iranian nuke progress simply because the ultimate option of a military strike was not used.
But the lights over the reloading bench need fixing, and I am not up to the quixotic task of battling a blizzard of (slightly, sometimes) erroneous premises from every possible angle, so, off I go.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 30, 2017 05:18 PM (iynDC)
With the Patriot Act, I learned a hard lesson about giving government this kind of power. The Patriot Act may not have been as malevolent under Bush, but in the hands of the completely unscrupulous, it has been.
Posted by: Blake at December 30, 2017 05:06 PM (WEBkv)
I was a member of the Libertarian Party back in the late 90s. The Patriot Act was a collection of measures the Libertarians had been opposing for years, all rolled up into a ball, tied with a bow, and rammed through Congress in one fell swoop because "crisis".
Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2017 05:23 PM (sdi6R)
I believe Trump's election has given hope to our enemies' enemies, for whatever reason.
Posted by: strawdog at December 30, 2017 05:23 PM (Cssks)
Posted by: Stephen at December 30, 2017 06:41 PM (xnS5f)
Posted by: internet expert at December 30, 2017 07:03 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: Shopgirl: #ChiefsAFCWestChamps at December 30, 2017 07:17 PM (Q8nwU)
Bush 43 was a shit judge of advisors and far too loyal to.failures, a problem the current guy doesn't seem to have.
Posted by: JEM at December 30, 2017 07:28 PM (BSzjN)
Posted by: DaveM at December 30, 2017 08:56 PM (WWC3Y)
I call it projection.
Posted by: DJ at December 31, 2017 07:12 AM (rFNWv)
Posted by: askeptic at December 31, 2017 11:07 AM (I5fLO)
The Left is in bed with the Mullahs because there's damn good money in
hating America. Haven't run the numbers but I'm guessing the DNC is at
least 50% funded by the Middle East.
Posted by: Mega at December 30, 2017 02:55 PM (rv0Fo)
Why do you disrespect me? Are you saying $18 Billion is chicken feed?
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