Saturday Evening Movie Thread 11-18-2017 [Hosted By: TheJamesMadison]

Real Vs. The Unreal

I don't think it'll be a terribly controversial thing to say here that practical effects work better, generally, than computer generated effects. I think the models used in 60s and 70s sci-fi are more convincing than many cutting edge special effects today. Even comparing the original King Kong model to that of the Peter Jackson film, there's a very palpable difference in how the two carry on film. In the original, you may notice when Kong is part of a background while live actors are part of the foreground, there being a difference in lighting and clarity between the two, but you're never unsure that the camera was actually looking at something real. In Jackson's movie, for all the money they threw at the screen, Kong often had a weightless quality (especially when he jumps) that make the visual look somewhat less real by comparison. It's an effervescent quality that's hard to define.

Although it's easy to find examples from big budget action movies, I think that the effect of actually capturing things on film is better encapsulated with smaller examples. We don't have much experience with space ships, but we do understand what a bird flying through the sky looks like.

Below are two examples from some older movies where the fact that the filmmakers actually captured the events on camera had an appreciably visceral effect on me.

Bad Day at Black Rock

Bad Day at Black Rock is a very small little movie from the 50s staring Spencer Tracy as a man who shows up to a very small town called Black Rock looking for a man he's never met for personal reasons. It turns out that the townspeople killed the man he's looking for and don't really like the fact that Tracy is poking around. At one point, Tracy is driving back from a farm outside of town and one of the hoods, played by Earnest Borgnine, is pursuing him in a car.

The two are driving, one in front of the other, along a single lane road with what looks like a steep drop off to one side. It also looks like they're driving at about 50 miles per hour when the car behind rams into the car ahead.

It doesn't seem like much, but it shocked me, because it really looked like they went out to the desert, by a dangerous drop off and rammed two cars against each other. The normal faking that a modern day movie would use (composition and green screen predominantly) were very obviously not being used. That feeling of reality was cheap to attain the way they did, and wildly effective.

Kes

Kes is a tiny little British movie set in a small coal mining town. It's about a boy, largely isolated from the other boys his age, and he finds an escape from his miserable little world of bullies and neglect in a kestrel. He adopts it and trains it.

Why I bring this up is because of the little scenes where the boy actually trains his bird. I didn't need to even look up any background on the movie to conclude that the kid had a real connection with the bird. The bird hadn't been trained by someone else and the boy hadn't been given a quick hour of training himself on how to handle the bird. He was comfortable with it in a way that can't be faked. It turns out that the boy did in fact train the bird (three of them, actually), so the connection we see is real.

I imagine what would happen if someone made this movie today, and I can't escape the idea that the kid would never have been given the bird. The production crew wouldn't trust him. The insurers would object in case the bird hurt the boy. They'd probably use some CGI to capture some shot they just couldn't do practically. And it would all create a distance between the film and the audience by comparison. Would it matter narratively? Not really, but movies are about emotional connection, and part of that equation is the audience buying the events on screen as actually happening on some level.

Having the boy actually train the bird enhances that experience that high quality fakery can't.

One More Example

One modern direction who understand getting as much in frame practically as possible is Guillermo del Toro. He loves men in suits for monsters. He loves intricate costumes and makeup effects. He's definitely not a guy who will plaster some green cloth on something, throw up his hands, and say, "We'll do it in post!"

One great example of del Toro's visual approach is near the end of Pan's Labyrinth. The step father of our main character Ophelia got a nasty cut on his face, splitting his cheek on one side. Alone, he looks in a mirror and sutures the wound shut, all in frame. It looks very real, and it's because it mostly is.

Well, it's mostly makeup. I could imagine another director just placing some green cloth on the actor's face and throwing the problem to the CGI folks months later. Instead, they built the outer layer of the wound with makeup and placed a small sliver of green at the center to allow the post production team to add the inside of the mouth.

It's a small effect, but it looks very real, and, combined with the actor's performance, it feels very real.

Again, it's a small effect, but it represents a wonderful combination of old school and new school effects to create an emotional resonance.

Lessons

For any filmmakers out there (I doubt it), I'd say that things in frame are better than things done in post. Think of the practical puppet creature effects in John Carpenter's The Thing versus the terrible and fake looking computer generated effects in the remake from a few years ago. The production of that remake actually did create puppet effects which were, apparently, on par with Carpenter's movie, but because the director had no idea what he was doing or how to use puppet effects, they refused to use any of it. There's a story where the director looked at a puppet which was designed to work from a specific angle, but he wanted to look at it from a different direction, so he chose the terrible CGI so he could put the camera at a different place instead of doing as he had designed it and having something that looks good.

What are some of your favorite practical effects? What about modern day uses of practical effects?

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Justic League
Wonder
Roman J. Israel

Next in my Netflix Queue:
I Saw the Devil

Movies I Saw This Week:
Agora (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2/4) Poster blurb: "Interesting and intelligent historical epic that is surprisingly distant." [Netflix DVD]
Ink (Netflix Rating 2/5 | Quality Rating 1.5/4) "Ambition without much skill or narrative cohesion. There's some fun visuals, though." [Amazon Prime]
The Adventures of Pluto Nash (Netflix Rating 2/5 | Quality Rating 1/4) "I was expecting such a bomb to be more interesting in its badness." [Netflix DVD]
The Voices (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2.5/4) "The tonal clashes are handled awkwardly making the second half work much less well than the first." [Netflix Instant]

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Posted by: OregonMuse at 05:56 PM

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1 Muse!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2017 05:54 PM (tbOMB)

2 That's a big gorilla.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 18, 2017 05:55 PM (gC2IV)

3 Damn dirty apes!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 05:57 PM (qJtVm)

4 Movie related. Adam West's final performance as Batman is now available. The DC animated film Batman vs Two-face is out for sale. William Shatner plays Two-face.

Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 05:59 PM (hbR5e)

5 The best effects are in the Milius / Schwarzenegger Conan. The rubber snake totally looks real and those ghosts that try to take Conan away look convincingly para-normal.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2017 06:00 PM (6FqZa)

6 There's an older (bad) movie about a giant octo-squid. I remember that at the end, it hauls its bulk onto land... and then suddenly gets sluggish. To such an extent it can be killed easily.

Also a good effect, because the cephalopods really DON'T do well on land. I'd rate it better than Peter Jackson's watcher-in-the-water.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (6FqZa)

7 I understand using computer graphics for fantastical beings and futuristic cities and suchlike, but they are using CGI for ordinary backgrounds now, I swear. Like they are too lazy to do some location scouting.

Soon it will be just actors in front of green screens, followed shortly by full-on CGI with no actors.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (qJtVm)

8 One of my personal favorites is the model work in "2001", particularly the exteriors of the space station and space ships.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (Ktb8D)

9 Well, it's mostly makeup. I could imagine another director just placing some green cloth on the actor's face and throwing the problem to the CGI folks months later. Instead, they built the outer layer of the wound with makeup and placed a small sliver of green at the center to allow the post production team to add the inside of the mouth.

It's a small effect, but it looks very real, and, combined with the actor's performance, it feels very real.

Daniel Day Lewis would've had his mouth slit for real and sewed it up.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (NWiLs)

10 Soon it will be just actors in front of green screens, followed shortly by full-on CGI with no actors.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (qJtVm)

It's been done.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (NWiLs)

11 Gorilla Pundit?

Posted by: Al Gore at November 18, 2017 06:02 PM (/qEW2)

12 I just watched Kes. Interesting little movie. I was fascinated whenever the bird was onscreen. Unfortunately, that wasn't very often. It took half the film for him to make his appearance, and then he was only seen a few times. Not really the movie's fault that it wasn't really about the bird. Just my expectation.

One other thing about the difference between then and now. The dead bird was a real dead bird. They killed a bird for that scene. No way they do that today.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 18, 2017 06:02 PM (FUu/Z)

13 I liked The Voices. Marjane 'Persepolis' Satrapi brought a lot of her personal demons into it. And Ryan 'Not Yet Deadpool' Reynolds brought his off-kilter charisma.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2017 06:02 PM (6FqZa)

14 9 Daniel Day Lewis would've had his mouth slit for real and sewed it up.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (NWiLs)

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I would die for my art!

That's not necessary, Daniel.

I would die for it!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 06:02 PM (Jj43a)

15 Watched a oldy but a goody PT109

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 06:03 PM (aC6Sd)

16 12
One other thing about the difference between then and now. The dead bird was a real dead bird. They killed a bird for that scene. No way they do that today.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 18, 2017 06:02 PM (FUu/Z)

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From what I've read, the bird accidentally died.

Now, whether that's a real life accident or a Mafia type accident...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 06:03 PM (Jj43a)

17 I don't think it'll be a terribly controversial thing to say here that practical effects work better, generally, than computer generated effects.

I think the clear example to refute that (even with the "generally" stipulation) is Knowing. The plane crash and the car crash in that movie were just unbelievable. Best effects I have ever seen.

Knowing also happens to be a great movie.

Computer effects have come a long way and, to my mind, tend to be better, generally, than physical effects. That's not to say that lots of movies have shitty computer generated effects - such as that turd Avatar ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 06:05 PM (8gDQu)

18 The dead bird was a real dead bird. They killed a bird for that scene. No way they do that today.

Deaaaaad birrrrrd.... gonna put it onnnn yooooou.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2017 06:05 PM (6FqZa)

19 There are a lot of older pre computer age special effects that you wonder now how they did it. Have to think of a example but sci -fi is most obvious

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 06:06 PM (aC6Sd)

20 7 I understand using computer graphics for fantastical beings and futuristic cities and suchlike, but they are using CGI for ordinary backgrounds now, I swear. Like they are too lazy to do some location scouting.

Soon it will be just actors in front of green screens, followed shortly by full-on CGI with no actors.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (qJtVm)

Sky captain and the world of tomorrow. The Star Wars prequels.

Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 06:06 PM (hbR5e)

21 19 There are a lot of older pre computer age special effects that you wonder now how they did it. Have to think of a example but sci -fi is most obvious
Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 06:06 PM (aC6Sd)

Highly intricate scale models and matte painting, usually.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:07 PM (NWiLs)

22 17
Knowing also happens to be a great movie.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 06:05 PM (8gDQu)

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Seconded!

Extra points for quality use of Beethoven's 7th!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 06:07 PM (Jj43a)

23 If it wasn't for bad CGI, the SyFy channel wouldn't exist.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 18, 2017 06:07 PM (gC2IV)

24 Skip: filming in darkness helped the first 'Alien'. Filming those creatures moving really fast helped the second

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2017 06:07 PM (6FqZa)

25 Models look better on film because they are three dimensional objects, and "behave" as such on film, like the actors, sets, etc.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 06:07 PM (ANIFC)

26 Blade Runner 2049 of course employed CGI but they also had absolutely gorgeous interiors and sets.

One particularly arresting instance of CGI:

http://tinyurl.com/yd8zc7zr

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 06:08 PM (qJtVm)

27 Mad Max: Fury Road used CGI in the big sandstorm but most of that stuff was real stunts.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2017 06:09 PM (6FqZa)

28 Pan's Labyrinth is one of my alltime favourite movies. Good storytelling and immersive experience.

Posted by: Gushka can has kitties what plays fetch at November 18, 2017 06:09 PM (9G8jN)

29 It's been done.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (NWiLs)

No, that near-lifelike simmulacrum was actually Ben Affleck.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 06:10 PM (qJtVm)

30 @7: "Like they are too lazy to do some location scouting."

It's becoming an uncanny valley problem on television. Either the major television studios think their effects are good enough now, and they're not, or they've reached a point of just not financially giving a fuck anymore.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 06:10 PM (I/iGu)

31 And sometimes they just resort to good old-fashioned blowing shit up, like Jabba's barge in Return of the Jedi IIRC.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:12 PM (NWiLs)

32 No, that near-lifelike simmulacrum was actually Ben Affleck.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

Is it real, or is it Ben Affleck?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at November 18, 2017 06:12 PM (S6Pax)

33 @21: "Highly intricate scale models and matte painting, usually."

Architecture has gone through the same thing recently. Doing proper scale models used to be a full time job in big firms. Nowadays, they slap photoshopped people on top of half-assed building renderings, and call it a day.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 06:13 PM (I/iGu)

34 29 It's been done.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:01 PM (NWiLs)

No, that near-lifelike simmulacrum was actually Ben Affleck.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 06:10 PM (qJtVm)

Brian Dennehy played the green screen. Brilliant work.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:13 PM (NWiLs)

35 30 @7: "Like they are too lazy to do some location scouting."

It's becoming an uncanny valley problem on television. Either the major television studios think their effects are good enough now, and they're not, or they've reached a point of just not financially giving a fuck anymore.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 06:10 PM (I/iGu)

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I think it's about control. The creatives want that specific view, but they can only shoot on a specific day and there's no guarantee that they'll get the same light.

Plus, it's generally cheaper to shoot in a studio rather than on location.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 06:13 PM (Jj43a)

36 Unfortunately, I haven't seen any of the three films you discuss in the post.

I also haven't seen any of the movies you mention at the end.

Dang! I feel so isolated ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 06:14 PM (8gDQu)

37 30 @7: "Like they are too lazy to do some location scouting."

It's becoming an uncanny valley problem on television. Either the major television studios think their effects are good enough now, and they're not, or they've reached a point of just not financially giving a fuck anymore.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 06:10 PM (I/iGu)

The Walking Dead uses a lot of practical effects still. Massive zombie hordes would be an exception. And also they use a lot of "half weapons" so like when Michonne is swinging her samurai sword it's only half length and then they digitally create the rest of it. I think that is a good use of CGI.

Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 06:14 PM (hbR5e)

38 Jimmy Comet stared in Pan's Labyrinth IICR.

Posted by: Stolen Cash at November 18, 2017 06:15 PM (tRLIC)

39 From what I've read, the bird accidentally died.

Now, whether that's a real life accident or a Mafia type accident...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 06:03 PM (Jj43a)

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lol. I haven't read word one about the movie, just know what I saw onscreen. But, the bird's death was a rather integral part of the plot. Can't imagine that the bird died and then they rewrote to incorporate the bird's death into the story. No, they were always going to kill him. They just didn't want to admit what they did.

But, my assumption was they didn't kill the trained bird. I figured they just used another one that nobody had trained. Why kill a more valuable bird when they can substitute something of much lesser value.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 18, 2017 06:16 PM (FUu/Z)

40 @20: "The Star Wars prequels."

You wanna know the worst part of the first prequel?

They CGI'd young Luke's lips to make them move more 'cause child actors tend to be a little "mushy mouthed."

It's really, really hard to unsee after you notice it too.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 06:16 PM (I/iGu)

41 Shooting scenes with tricky effects takes brains, planning and actual skills by model makers, etc.

The way the studios are going, they put all their money into a couple of marquis stars, pay the production crew crap, and try to paper it over with CGI.
CGI takes a small team of specialists (which takes brains itself to make it work), but the hardware to do CGI is capital, and can be depreciated off.
I find most movies nowadays poorly made, in terms of actual story telling and movie structure.
If you watch a lot of old movies, you can also see where a lot of older movies were also rather poorly made, even considering the technology and filming of the times. But then you also see old movies where the directors had real genius in creating and filming a scene, using lighting and camera angles.
Because they were actually devoted to making a good movie and telling a good story.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at November 18, 2017 06:17 PM (S6Pax)

42 Brian Dennehy played the green screen. Brilliant work.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:13 PM (NWiLs)

I get a kick out of movies and TV where one of the actors has some green in their clothing during green screen effects shots. I've never seen green screen effects come through someone's green eyes, though. Maybe with 4K we'll be able to see that? It'll be the end of green eyes on the screen. They would have to rewrite Big Trouble in Little China for the inevitable remake ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 06:18 PM (8gDQu)

43 Just finished watching Justice League and was pleasantly surprised. It was an enjoyable comic book movie that is much better than critics say it is. Gadot is one the best casting decisions in years. Anytime she is on screen makes the movie better. She even makes Affleck better! Mamoa is fun. As for the special affects., they are much better than anyone says.

It is better than either Avengers movies and on par with the 1st Ironman movie.

Posted by: Rgallegos at November 18, 2017 06:19 PM (meoYc)

44 I think that District 9 has some of the best effects around. I don't know how they did it but those aliens seem totally natural in all the shots, along with everyone interacting with them. I don't think it was an expensive movie, either.

Also, in Open Water they were really on a shoestring budget so they couldn't even think of fake sharks. All those scenes are in the water with live sharks.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 06:20 PM (8gDQu)

45 Also, great to see that Oregon Muse is feeling healthy enough to get his cob logging on.

I hope you are recovering ok from your surgery.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at November 18, 2017 06:20 PM (S6Pax)

46

Remember director James "Jimmy Jizzy-pants" Toback. Over 300 women accuse him of various lewd conduct to assault. Well, there's another one about him at the Daily Mail. Actress is Becky Wahlstrom. I've never heard of her.

Anyway, what makes this one so crazy, is well, he licked her armpits. She was going au naturale in the pit dept -- sisterhood I guess -- and that just turned ol' Jimmy Jizzypants on big time.

And as always apparently with him, he didn't want to have actual sex with her, just dry hump her leg while she stared in his eyes and pinched his nipples. Plus he wanted to keep licking her pits.

She actually wrote it about in her diary, and drew a picture of him, leering and rubbing himself.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 06:21 PM (8O3HH)

47 Thanks OM and TJM! Hope you are healing well, OM.

And speaking of really bad CGI....how about that upper lip in Justice League?

Let a thousand pile-ons bloom.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 06:22 PM (xJa6I)

48 One of my personal favorites is the model work in "2001", particularly the exteriors of the space station and space ships.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7

The storyline is kind of spartan, but they put a tremendous amount of effort into making it a visually beautiful movie.
Frankly, although it too is visually interesting, one of the cheesiest parts (on re-watching) is Dave Bowman's trip through the Stargate.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at November 18, 2017 06:23 PM (S6Pax)

49 The Walking Dead uses a lot of practical effects still. Massive zombie hordes would be an exception. And also they use a lot of "half weapons" so like when Michonne is swinging her samurai sword it's only half length and then they digitally create the rest of it. I think that is a good use of CGI.
Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 06:14 PM (hbR5e)

You mean she's not actually decapitating extras? What a gyp!

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:23 PM (NWiLs)

50 13 I liked The Voices. Marjane 'Persepolis' Satrapi brought a lot of her personal demons into it. And Ryan 'Not Yet Deadpool' Reynolds brought his off-kilter charisma

I remember watching this and wondering if the director was the writer of Persepolis, but not caring enough to look it up.

What I remember of Persepolis was that she thought the answer to the Shah and to Islamism was Communism.

bleh.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at November 18, 2017 06:25 PM (RKQ/v)

51 I'm happy with most of the CGI in the Marvel movies. Go practical as much as they can (which is a surprising amount, maybe) and then CGI fills in. I never get taken out of the moment, so CGI has really come of age, to me.

Another good CGI movie, Jurassic Park. Still holds up well.

All that said, I prefer practical effects whenever possible. More magic in in.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 06:25 PM (xJa6I)

52 >> so like when Michonne is swinging her samurai sword it's only half length and then they digitally create the rest of it.

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Hey, reckon that would work with another type of sword. A friend of mine wonders about that.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 06:25 PM (8O3HH)

53 @8: "One of my personal favorites is the model work in "2001", particularly the exteriors of the space station and space ships."

They had to rebuild all of those models from scratch fifteen years later for 2010 'cause Kubrick had all of the originals destroyed.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 06:25 PM (I/iGu)

54 36 Unfortunately, I haven't seen any of the three films you discuss in the post.

I also haven't seen any of the movies you mention at the end.

Dang! I feel so isolated ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 06:14 PM (8gDQu)

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He's got a lot of foreign movies in the mix, so it's not so surprising you haven't seen them. But, Bad Day at Black Rock is an American classic. That one shows up on TV all the time. It's definitely worth a watch.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 18, 2017 06:26 PM (FUu/Z)

55 In addition to "Thor: Ragnarok" I also saw a couple good smaller flicks on Netflix:

"While We're Young", with Ben Stiller and Naomi Watts as a middle-aged couple whose lives are shook up when they meet a hipster couple (Adam Driver and Amanda Seyfried). Stiller is an established documentarian who has been struggling to finish his last movie for years, and has put his and his wife's lives on hold because of it. Driver is very good as a young movie maker who ingratiates himself into his world and gradually takes over. He's funny in these quirky roles, but kind of an odd choice for Star Wars.

Also liked "The Clouds of Sils Maria" with Juliette Binoche as an actress renowned for her turn as a young seductress in a famous play 20 years ago, who has been asked to star again but this time as the older woman under the spell of the younger woman. It is initially very hard for her to imagine herself acting as the pathetic victim but her assistant (an excellent Kristen Stewart -- yes, really) shows her the humanity of the other role. A good flick about accepting where you are in the present moment.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 06:26 PM (qJtVm)

56 My favorite special effects involve rubber suits.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 06:27 PM (UdKB7)

57 That King Kong movie should be banned b/c it totally misrepresents Gorillas. It's uh...damaging to our reputation and species in general. We will need to sue to get "person rights" or whatever special treatment the Elephants are getting, b/c hey, we are way closer to human DNA.

So there.

Posted by: Gorillas having an SJW moment at November 18, 2017 06:29 PM (7UCSd)

58 There are a couple of good effects in Braveheart, one where he rides into the betrayer's bedroom on his horse and takes his face off with a spiked-ball-on-a-chain (you have to advance that part frame by frame to see when the substitution occurs), and the other is when the horse is impaled on the wooden lances (it's a model of a horse). The scenes seem seamless.

As a broader note, with the advent of 4k resolution and big home screens, it all seems like you can see toooo much and feel the camera's presence. There's a sort of flatness there now. It was very noticeable at first, but now I've gotten sorta used to it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2017 06:29 PM (0ogQG)

59 As a broader note, with the advent of 4k resolution and big home screens, it all seems like you can see toooo much and feel the camera's presence. There's a sort of flatness there now. It was very noticeable at first, but now I've gotten sorta used to it.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2017 06:29 PM (0ogQG)

You do NOT want to watch porn in 4K.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:32 PM (NWiLs)

60 Bad Day At Black Rock reminds me, I always liked Robert Ryan. A real hard ass. I could see him doing Samuel L. Jackson's wrath of God speech from Pulp Fiction.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 18, 2017 06:32 PM (Nwg0u)

61 >>>What are some of your favorite practical effects?

Dark Crystal used animatronics IIRC. They were pretty effective.

Return to OZ used a lot of claymation, which was semi-effective, pumpkin guy was actually an emaciated actor. I'm not sure about the copper guy, but I considered him to be a character that allowed me to suspend disbelief. And the Wheelers were a cheap, but incredibly nightmarish effect. It would be a travesty to try to render them in CGI.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2017 06:33 PM (/qEW2)

62 Return to OZ used a lot of claymation, which was semi-effective, pumpkin guy was actually an emaciated actor. I'm not sure about the copper guy, but I considered him to be a character that allowed me to suspend disbelief. And the Wheelers were a cheap, but incredibly nightmarish effect. It would be a travesty to try to render them in CGI.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2017 06:33 PM (/qEW2)

Return to Oz was great. Much more true to Baum's vision of Oz.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:34 PM (NWiLs)

63 You do NOT want to watch porn in 4K.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:32 PM (NWiLs)

Got some PTSD from that, did ya?

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:35 PM (7UCSd)

64 On the good side, in "Aliens" where Ripley in the mech suit loader is all practical effects. There was never a full sized working model, just bits and pieces filmed from various angle. For all the world it looks real.

On the bad side, "Revenge of the Sith" is just a cartoon. It is just some people gyrating in front of a green screen.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 06:35 PM (T71PA)

65 Return to Oz was great! Baum's books are little acid trips and it really caught that perfectly.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 06:35 PM (qJtVm)

66 63 You do NOT want to watch porn in 4K.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:32 PM (NWiLs)

Got some PTSD from that, did ya?
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:35 PM (7UCSd)

Well, uh, I heard that a friend did. He moved to Canada.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:36 PM (NWiLs)

67 @58: "As a broader note, with the advent of 4k resolution and big home screens, it all seems like you can see toooo much and feel the camera's presence."

One of the things that made early HDTV plasma screens tolerable was a lot of random noise in the projection. People called them "dancing dots" or "sparkling pixels." I'm kinda surprised the new fancy televisions and streaming boxes don't offer a subtle "film grain" mode to make things less perfect.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 06:36 PM (I/iGu)

68 I grew up watching crappy special effects like hubcaps suspended by wires, claymation and rubber suited monsters so anything more "realistic" is lost on me.

The special effects were just to add to the story, not be the story.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 06:38 PM (nUkMr)

69 I've mentioned that the Netflix Punisher series is garbage. In fact you would make much better use of your time rewatching whatever episodes of Daredevil Frank Castle is in.

SJW wankery that has plagued the comic books, from what I heard, is all over this series. Because a title that promises a Tarantino style bloodbath needs to vindicate my low-T voting habits, you see.

The Afghanistan flashbacks remind me of a Vietnam movie, in all of it's ham-fisted tropes.

There is much less action than the expectation. In fact reporters sitting around talking about secrets is just as frequent as Daredevil.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 18, 2017 06:39 PM (rnAwa)

70 Kinda from up thread, but I swear Ben Assfleck no longer has a neck. He's all pumped up I guess, but he just looks fat to me. And I never see a neck.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:40 PM (7UCSd)

71 >> You do NOT want to watch porn in 4K.

They used to say that about regular HD.

You know, some of them just don't seem to care. Details you don't want to see.

Hell, maybe the young bucks get off on ingrown hair bumps and stuff now.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 06:40 PM (8O3HH)

72
Got some PTSD from that, did ya?
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:35 PM (7UCSd)

Well, uh, I heard that a friend did. He moved to Canada.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:36 PM (NWiLs)

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His name wouldn't be George Glass, would it?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 18, 2017 06:40 PM (gC2IV)

73 As a broader note, with the advent of 4k resolution and big home screens, it all seems like you can see toooo much and feel the camera's presence. There's a sort of flatness there now. It was very noticeable at first, but now I've gotten sorta used to it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2017 06:29 PM (0ogQG)

Not for me, so far as I can tell. I haven't watched much in 4K (other than nature scenes and stuff) but I like 1080p much better than 720p (when it's real 1080p) and I imagine that I would like 4K even more.

I happen to like exact pictures - as exact as possible - and I can't imagine that it takes away from anything. Fuzziness and lack of focus to cover up stuff doesn't really appeal to me much. The more lifelike, the better. At least, that's my feeling on it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 06:41 PM (8gDQu)

74 The bump with obvious stuntman looks regular. The reaction shot of Tracy jolting around looks like it's filmed in front of a machine scrolled scenery painting.

Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2017 06:42 PM (FhXTo)

75 I remember watching this movie for the first time and saying "That's not stock footage!"Yes,they really did a wheels up B-17 landing.Stunt man alone in the plane I think they paid hom $25 k(don't know why this guy used the crappy music insteadof original audio)

https://youtu.be/ZJ07ieBOZpk

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2017 06:42 PM (LiyEm)

76 Also a good effect, because the cephalopods really DON'T do well on land.

http://operaspaziale.blogspot.com/2014/05/
charles-sheffield-zardalu.html

Die mammal.

Posted by: Zardalu at November 18, 2017 06:43 PM (FhXTo)

77 Got some PTSD from that, did ya?
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:35 PM (7UCSd)

Well, uh, I heard that a friend did. He moved to Canada.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:36 PM (NWiLs)

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His name wouldn't be George Glass, would it?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 18, 2017 06:40 PM (gC2IV)

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Jan must be really pissed off. Probably Marcia's fault.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:43 PM (7UCSd)

78 53 @8: "One of my personal favorites is the model work in "2001", particularly the exteriors of the space station and space ships."

They had to rebuild all of those models from scratch fifteen years later for 2010 'cause Kubrick had all of the originals destroyed.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 06:25 PM (I/iGu)

One of the model makers for ILM back in the 80s got the job because his "resume" was a Y-Wing model he built from scratch that looked identical to the ones used in "A New Hope." When "Return of The Jedi" was being filmed, they had a problem. They had no Y-Wings. They gave the last one from ANH away as a gift years before, so they used their new hire's homemade model as the master to build new Y-Wings from.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 06:44 PM (ANIFC)

79 70 Kinda from up thread, but I swear Ben Assfleck no longer has a neck. He's all pumped up I guess, but he just looks fat to me. And I never see a neck.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:40 PM (7UCSd)

He's definitely been hitting the PEDs.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:44 PM (NWiLs)

80 Speaking of large apes, here's a trailer for Rampage

https://youtu.be/coOKvrsmQiI

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 18, 2017 06:46 PM (rnAwa)

81 I'm more partial to the 1976 King Kong model. Pretty cool gallery of images at IMdb IMDb gives the legendary Rick Baker credit as the ape, but they used several different scale models, including a huuuge one.

https://tinyurl.com/y8dkg824

And Miss Jessica Lange. Talk about yer models!

https://tinyurl.com/y85xeovl

I was a kid when it came out and I thought it was awesome. Kinda weird watching it post-9/11, though.

The film's IMdb trivia page talks about the different models.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 06:46 PM (EzdLW)

82 Ben has a set of knockers now

Posted by: NCKate at November 18, 2017 06:46 PM (Jj68o)

83 One very crucial thing to know about the movie Kes. It happens to be the favorite movie of the illustrious Karl Pilkington. He'll proudly confirm it.

Posted by: Jdw at November 18, 2017 06:46 PM (yN+zo)

84 The Thing is the gold standard for practical effects. Likewise Aliens worked for me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 06:47 PM (xJa6I)

85 Ben has a set of knockers now
Posted by: NCKate

*honk honk*

Posted by: Al Franken at November 18, 2017 06:47 PM (5wCUq)

86 Is KingKong ghey in the new movie? Because he should be ghey. That's what new movies are all about, amiright?

Posted by: Eromero at November 18, 2017 06:48 PM (zLDYs)

87 I remember watching this movie for the first time and saying "That's not stock footage!"Yes,they really did a wheels up B-17 landing.Stunt man alone in the plane I think they paid hom $25 k(don't know why this guy used the crappy music insteadof original audio)

https://youtu.be/ZJ07ieBOZpk

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Twelve O'Clock High?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 18, 2017 06:49 PM (Nwg0u)

88 He's definitely been hitting the PEDs.

Are those steroids? He is wrecking his body. That plus smoking and drinking...and lack of ethics and morals. He's self-destructive I guess. He had a second comeback & now he's ruining that.

Always heard steroids can make you rage, and also shrink your meat & potatoes. What a trainwreck.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:49 PM (7UCSd)

89 Hey everybody, a few thoughts:

Agreed with TJM/original posters, the old-fashioned SFX are so much better than CGI it's not even funny. CGI just looks fake to me and screams "EFFECT!" and everyone here can tell it's been overused to death. The overgrown teenagers in the studio SFX departments are way too spoiled IMHO.

Also:

...The Criterion collection just announced their releases for January 2018, which are:
- Night Of The Living Dead
- Silence Of The Lambs
- Tom Jones (best picture 1963)

Finally, I wanted to give a shout out to CFO to ask if she received the movies I sent her, I mailed them out quite a while ago now.

...And, I still have a never-used/watched bluray of Misery if any Horde member wants it. Free for the asking. Just email me at QDPSJL at the gmail thingy, thanks.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 06:51 PM (eMKNe)

90 I'm getting Schadenfreude from King Kong (1976) IMDb Trivia:

In a 2008 interview with David Letterman, Meryl Streep revealed that she auditioned for the role of Dwan, but was turned down by Dino De Laurentiis as being "ugly". He said this in Italian, not knowing that Streep understood the language.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 06:52 PM (EzdLW)

91 Is KingKong ghey in the new movie? Because he should be ghey. That's what new movies are all about, amiright?
Posted by: Eromero at November 18, 2017 06:48 PM (zLDYs)

*glares*

Posted by: Gorilla Pundit gonna pound Emero at November 18, 2017 06:52 PM (7UCSd)

92 Wow, K State on the verge of blowing a huge lead.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 18, 2017 06:52 PM (gC2IV)

93 88 He's definitely been hitting the PEDs.

Are those steroids? He is wrecking his body. That plus smoking and drinking...and lack of ethics and morals. He's self-destructive I guess. He had a second comeback & now he's ruining that.

Always heard steroids can make you rage, and also shrink your meat & potatoes. What a trainwreck.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:49 PM (7UCSd)

They just shrink the potatoes. But they grow back when you stop. The effect steroids have on women is heartbreaking and irreversible.

The rage thing is more to do with the person than anything else. It does mess up your biochemistry some.

But they work as advertised. You will get bigger, recover faster, get stronger on them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 06:53 PM (xJa6I)

94 87 Yes.

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2017 06:53 PM (LiyEm)

95 Are those steroids? He is wrecking his body
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end.

Roids are endemic in Hollywood. How else do you think those beta theatre-geeks get so swole in just 6 weeks?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 06:53 PM (5wCUq)

96 Like the comments complaining about them wasting a rare plane.I'm guessing B-17's weren't quite so rare at the the time....

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2017 06:55 PM (LiyEm)

97 Oh and Malcom Young from AC/DC. Lived fast, made some wicked tunes. RIP.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 06:55 PM (xJa6I)

98 Carlo Rambaldi's life-size mechanical Kong was constructed after establishing the size of the hands in comparison to Jessica Lange, then scaling the body to the hands. A forty-foot Kong model was then constructed to create the rubber and horsehair skin, for the mechanical Kong.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 06:55 PM (EzdLW)

99 60 Bad Day At Black Rock reminds me, I always liked Robert Ryan. A real hard ass. I could see him doing Samuel L. Jackson's wrath of God speech from Pulp Fiction.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege

Yeah, him or Sterling Hayden.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (di1hb)

100 Roids are endemic in Hollywood. How else do you think those beta theatre-geeks get so swole in just 6 weeks?

Porn

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (7UCSd)

101 97 Oh and Malcom Young from AC/DC. Lived fast, made some wicked tunes. RIP.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 06:55 PM (xJa6I)

*Malcom Young died.

Sigh, my kingdom for an edit button here sometimes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (xJa6I)

102 PEDs can include steroids, HGH, and other performance enhancing drugs. His puffy look is a tell-tale sign of steroid use.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (NWiLs)

103 Anonosaurus, check out the movie version of Catch-22 sometime.

Mike Nichols had an entire WW2-era bomber flown into the ground and destroyed for that pic when it was shot in 1969/70, just for a friggin' *background comedy effect.*

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (eMKNe)

104
There were a lot of problems with the 2011 version of The Thing. Yeah, the CGI was clever, but ultimately inferior to Bottin's and Winston's work. That stuff was visceral. Also, the 2011 rendering, though nightmarish enough, didn't really gel with what was seen in the 1982 version.

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (qGuLD)

105 99 60 Bad Day At Black Rock reminds me, I always liked Robert Ryan. A real hard ass. I could see him doing Samuel L. Jackson's wrath of God speech from Pulp Fiction.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege

Yeah, him or Sterling Hayden.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (di1hb)

Oh yeah. Sterling Hayden was a legit tough guy. I wish he'd left a larger body of work.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (xJa6I)

106 The Grim Reaper messed up again. He must be a gubmint employee.

He was supposed to take Charlie, not Malc. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 06:57 PM (eMKNe)

107 I think that District 9 has some of the best effects around. I don't know how they did it but those aliens seem totally natural in all the shots, along with everyone interacting with them. I don't think it was an expensive movie, either.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 06:20 PM (8gDQu)

Some other things District 9 (or at least the pilot Blomkamp shopped around, Alive in Joburg) didn't fake: the interviews at the beginning, where people talk about how awful the aliens are, how they don't feel safe around them and don't understand their motivations etc? They interviewed people on the street about the actual refugees there. The District 9 shantytown location? Only Christopher Johnson's shack was built for filming. The rest of the structures were real shacks in an actual refugee camp (the residents had been relocated before shooting started, they weren't kicked out for the movie).

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 06:57 PM (y87Qq)

108 Also in Catch-22, there is a *fantastic* effect of a soldier being *cut in half* by a crazy drone flyer.

Late 1960s/early 70s SFX, done entirely in fromt of the camera. Zero computer effects.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 06:59 PM (eMKNe)

109 I know for the tv series Twelve O'clock high had a couple of flying planes and ground only aircraft. The Battle of Britain used Spanish post war aircraft.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 07:00 PM (aC6Sd)

110 Claymation Rockin the Free World!!
The Adventures of Sinbad
Mysterious Island
The Zapruder Film

I denounce myself Mia Copa Mia Copa

Posted by: Voter Dude at November 18, 2017 07:01 PM (U5Xeq)

111 In a 2008 interview with David Letterman, Meryl Streep revealed that she auditioned for the role of Dwan, but was turned down by Dino De Laurentiis as being "ugly". He said this in Italian, not knowing that Streep understood the language.

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Jessica Lange >>>>>>>> Squirrel Streep

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 18, 2017 07:02 PM (Nwg0u)

112 Hey don't even try it!!

Posted by: Gumby at November 18, 2017 07:02 PM (U5Xeq)

113

Thirded on "Knowing". Good flick. Bit of a surprise package that one.

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:02 PM (qGuLD)

114 102 PEDs can include steroids, HGH, and other performance enhancing drugs. His puffy look is a tell-tale sign of steroid use.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (NWiLs)

Ya know, majority of normal women do not like that look. The pumped up stuff. Guys do that for guys, or themselves I guess. Yes, a guy in shape is nice...but there's a spectrum for that. And I'd rather date a guy with love handles than a muscle bound freak of nature.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:03 PM (7UCSd)

115 Sterling Hayden:

I think his greatest contribution to film of all time, was helping get Stanley Kubrick discovered.

Was in two of his early films, The Killing and Dr. Strangelove.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:03 PM (eMKNe)

116 Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 06:57 PM (y87Qq)

There was only one problem with District 9 - the aliens worked for 20 years collecting the fluid they needed to go back home. They were getting drops at a time. And they had finally gotten enough to do it .. but then Wicus (or whatever his name was) sprayed a whole bunch onto himself and yet, still, in the end the alien had enough to make stuff work. So, they could have taken off years before.

Minor issue, really, but they did everything else so well in that movie that I don't know why they didn't make the minor adjustments to deal with that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 07:03 PM (8gDQu)

117
Speaking of large apes,

GAU-8 trumps monkey for all values of monkey.

Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2017 07:03 PM (FhXTo)

118 Anon, yup but Lange is even more of a moonbat than Streep is.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:03 PM (eMKNe)

119
Sterling Hayden was Gen. Jack D. Ripper, of course, he who did not avoid women, but did deny them his essence.

He also played the Robert Stack character in "Zero Hour!", the film upon which "Airplane!" was based.

They bought the rights to the film and barely changed the dialog at all -- just made it absurd.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 07:04 PM (8O3HH)

120 Eat em up, eat em up, KSU!!!

KState 45-Oklahoma St 40

Every man a Wildcat!!

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 07:04 PM (x3yKT)

121 I liked Wallace & Grommit in Claymation.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:04 PM (7UCSd)

122 Slightly off topic.

I've become fascinated with sound effects. The foley people are amazing. Right now "The Island" is on the tube. There is a scene where the good guys are hiding on a semi flatbed loaded with train wheels and being chased by baddies. They are pushing the train wheels off the back of the flatbed wreaking havoc on the cars behind. Obviously, it is CGI but the clanging of the wheels sounds real. All it is is probably someone banging on a metal pail but it is effective.

Also, the Balrog's roar in LOTR is a concrete block being dragged on some plywood. Even knowing that, it sounds exactly like you would imagine. exactly like you would imagine .

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 07:05 PM (T71PA)

123 Whoops I tread into a serious non fiction thread... I will be leaving now..

Posted by: Gumby at November 18, 2017 07:05 PM (U5Xeq)

124 Sterling Hayden

Before my time, but he was yummy.

(What? You guys drool over girls all the time!)

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:06 PM (7UCSd)

125 We saw Brannaugh's Murder On The Orient Express last week. We liked it. I'm on a tablet... So no more details!

Posted by: Chi-TownJerry at November 18, 2017 07:07 PM (5tSKk)

126 Ya know, majority of normal women do not like that look. The pumped up stuff. Guys do that for guys, or themselves I guess. Yes, a guy in shape is nice...but there's a spectrum for that. And I'd rather date a guy with love handles than a muscle bound freak of nature.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:03 PM (7UCSd)

I don't know about that. I had a friend in high school who used to lift all the time, but he was just a skinny guy. Tall but skinny. He would lift and lift and lift but I could still do more with one arm than he could do with his legs. He was obsessed with being big.

Finally, he started taking steroids some time after high school. He got really big. Sure, he looked a little funny - like he had put his thumb in his mouth and just blew himself up; he was big but with little definition - but he started bouncing at bars, getting chicks and he was more than satisfied. For him, steroids were a godsend. He got everything he wanted out of them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 07:07 PM (8gDQu)

127 When I first saw 2001 it looked like the future. Space stations and trips to the moon. Cool. I really thought we would see that is 20-30 years. Still waiting on that future.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:08 PM (UdKB7)

128 Gundrop, that's cool. Thanks for coming out to us. ;-)

(*cyberpinches GG's butt*)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:08 PM (eMKNe)

129 TCM played PT-109 an hour ago. Man, were the special effects bad. Just comically bad. Of course, that may also have something to do with my disdain for JFK.

I remember McHale's Navy. They'd have the PT boat blow up a Jap sub pretty much every episode, and it was always the same stock footage of a stationary sub being blown in half.

Posted by: pep at November 18, 2017 07:08 PM (LAe3v)

130 >> Before my time, but he was yummy.

Go on.

Posted by: Shep Smith at November 18, 2017 07:08 PM (8O3HH)

131 Duke: yup. Hollywood's had 30 years to play with CGI, but almost 100 years now to play with sound effects, so naturally they're better at them.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:09 PM (eMKNe)

132 When I first saw 2001 it looked like the future. Space stations and trips to the moon. Cool. I really thought we would see that is 20-30 years. Still waiting on that future.

-
We don't even have flying cars.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 18, 2017 07:09 PM (Nwg0u)

133 The original Kong was created in Claymation.. Please tell me you knew that.. The real Kong still roams free in the Mountains of Africa. ha ha they could never catch the real Kong!! pffft..

Posted by: Voter Dude at November 18, 2017 07:10 PM (U5Xeq)

134 Low budget but good, Saints and Soldiers does a pretty good job utilizing some WWII-era machinery in a limited way.

"It was shot in the forested hills of northern Utah with a budget of less than $1 million. However, through special connections, the production team was able to obtain dozens of re-enactors, extras, and rare period equipment." (Wikipedia)

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 07:10 PM (EzdLW)

135 We don't even have flying cars.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege

Have you been on a road lately? Do you really want those people trying to drive in 3 dimensions?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 07:11 PM (5wCUq)

136 PEDs can include steroids, HGH, and other performance enhancing drugs. His puffy look is a tell-tale sign of steroid use.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (NWiLs)

Ya know, majority of normal women do not like that look. The pumped up stuff. Guys do that for guys, or themselves I guess. Yes, a guy in shape is nice...but there's a spectrum for that. And I'd rather date a guy with love handles than a muscle bound freak of nature.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:03 PM (7UCSd)

The majority of women do like that look. They like large muscles. Guys do it so we can protect ourselves, our families, and our wife/girlfriend on top of it being healthy.

You are literally advocating for the women like the beta male soy boy look, which is bulllshit. It does against biology and evolutionary psychology for both sexes.

There is nothing wrong for women admitting that they prefer large muscles and string men. Jeez.

Posted by: Monk at November 18, 2017 07:11 PM (g4lFK)

137 Watching Westworld, stated a few weeks ago sci-fi overshoot it's Mark often, this movie is supposed to be 1984, these robot's won't even work in 2024

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 07:11 PM (aC6Sd)

138
What are some of your favorite practical effects? What about modern day uses of practical effects?

A good example is in Aliens, the scene where the Marines are entering the alien nest for the first time. According to the DVD extras, they used miniatures placed in front of the camera to represent the large room far in the distance, playing on perspective. The producers apparently freaked out when seeing the dailies because they thought Cameron was wasting money building huge sets for the small, throw-away shots.

When you watch the scene though, it's impossible to tell where the miniatures end and the full-size set begins. Cameron's a commie dick, but when he has to operate within a budget, he does one hell of a good job.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 07:12 PM (eXA4G)

139
I think there was a thread about the following here a while back. Anyway, these damned idiots are injecting some short of oil in their muscles to get this ridiculous pumped up look.

It looks grotesque, but they dig it. It's also very dangerous.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 07:12 PM (8O3HH)

140 freaked and Anon, I think one of the things 2001 was counting on was that the Cold War would still be going strong. So the US and USSR would still be spending ungodly-sized piles of money trying to keep up with each other.

Can't help but wonder where the US space program would be today if the Soviets were still out there.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:12 PM (eMKNe)

141 132 When I first saw 2001 it looked like the future. Space stations and trips to the moon. Cool. I really thought we would see that is 20-30 years. Still waiting on that future.

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We don't even have flying cars.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 18, 2017 07:09 PM (Nwg0u)

Progress by 2017
You wanted: trips to the moon
You'd settle for: flying cars
You got: Trannies in the girl's room

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 07:12 PM (ANIFC)

142
Willis O'Brien did the fx for King Kong. They guy was a master and a pioneer.

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:13 PM (qGuLD)

143 You are literally advocating for the women like the
beta male soy boy look, which is bulllshit. It does against biology and
evolutionary psychology for both sexes.

There is nothing wrong for women admitting that they prefer large muscles and string men. Jeez.

Posted by: Monk

Roid rage much?

Posted by: pep at November 18, 2017 07:13 PM (LAe3v)

144 102 PEDs can include steroids, HGH, and other performance enhancing drugs. His puffy look is a tell-tale sign of steroid use.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 06:56 PM (NWiLs)

The fact he is a huge 20 year plus alcoholic does not help with the puffy factor.

Posted by: Monk at November 18, 2017 07:13 PM (g4lFK)

145 Prince Ludwig, good question ;-)

Flying cars, if they *ever* become reality, won't be drivable by humans. They'll be 100% self-piloted and automated.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:13 PM (eMKNe)

146 There was only one problem with District 9 - the aliens worked for 20 years collecting the fluid they needed to go back home. They were getting drops at a time. And they had finally gotten enough to do it .. but then Wicus (or whatever his name was) sprayed a whole bunch onto himself and yet, still, in the end the alien had enough to make stuff work. So, they could have taken off years before.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 07:03 PM (8gDQu)

I think some got used driving the mecha suit too. There are a few fan theories on what it is, what it does, and why they needed to save it up but then could afford to use some; in the end it's pure elemental Macguffinite anyhow. They needed to collect it because they needed something to collect, and they needed to contaminate Wikus with it because his character needed to be contaminated. They had enough to do what they needed in the end because that's what the script said.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 07:14 PM (y87Qq)

147 Zulu is a great movie made in the early 1960s about the siege of Rorke's Drift in 1879. Movie crew went down to South Africa for filming.

As a kid, I had only seen the "pan and scan" version edited for TV in the 70s and 80s. The first time I saw a widescreen version on DVD for a widescreen TV, I was quite stunned by the imposing the mountainous terrain in the background that just seemed to go on forever. They also employed a cast of thousands of Zulus (including black South African soldiers).

The battle scenes have a grittiness that you can't get with CGI. The actors look hot, dirty and tired because they were. The bloodshed is rather tame by our current standards and looks like red paint but those guys are rolling around in genuine South African dirt.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 18, 2017 07:14 PM (5Yee7)

148 Del Toro is my daughters absolute favorite! His movies are just a wonder to watch. We went and saw Crimson Peak and I'm sad it didn't too very well. Visually it was stunning. I could have sat and watched it all over again. Plus it had Tom Hiddleston. nuff said. I love him!

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:15 PM (CNHr1)

149 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 07:07 PM (8gDQu)

I did say the majority of normal women.

But not surprised your friend who was a bouncer got chicks. It's like a candy store for them, from my experience. And, well...a protection kind of thing that the girls get drawn to.

Glad it worked out for him. I hope they were from a doc and legal.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:15 PM (7UCSd)

150 143 You are literally advocating for the women like the
beta male soy boy look, which is bulllshit. It does against biology and
evolutionary psychology for both sexes.

There is nothing wrong for women admitting that they prefer large muscles and string men. Jeez.

Posted by: Monk

Roid rage much?
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2017 07:13 PM (LAe3v)

Just calling out bullshit. Not raging. Never taken riods.

The saying Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks is for a reason.

Posted by: Monk at November 18, 2017 07:16 PM (g4lFK)

151 Can't spend muscles.

Cash is king.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 07:16 PM (nUkMr)

152 Anyone here see Atomic Blonde?

Outside of the usual "one petite blonde can kill 9 giant bad guys just using her right hand" bit, it looks halfway good.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:17 PM (eMKNe)

153 From what I've read, the bird accidentally died.

Now, whether that's a real life accident or a Mafia type accident...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 06:03 PM (Jj43a)

Probably no wind farm around then, so yes, suspicious . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at November 18, 2017 07:17 PM (2K6fY)

154 Monk, you and I live on different planets.

I do not see myself responding to your posts in the future.

Actually, I'm at the point where I usually skip them.

There is so much rage there. So little room for other's opinions and experiences.

I'm sorry for whatever damaged you this badly.

Peace out.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:19 PM (7UCSd)

155 ...Plus it had Tom Hiddleston. nuff said. I love him!

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:15 PM (CNHr1)

I gained a lot of respect for Hiddleston. He was in a series of film adaptations of Shakespeare's Henry 3rd, Henry 4th, and Henry 5th. He was very good.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 07:19 PM (T71PA)

156 Zulu is a great movie made in the early 1960s about the siege of Rorke's Drift in 1879. Movie crew went down to South Africa for filming.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 18, 2017 07:14 PM (5Yee7)

Hell of a movie. The 'History Buffs' YT channel guy (reviews historical flicks with an eye to accuracy but an allowance for a good show) reviewed it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VygWpmwBO8M

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 07:20 PM (y87Qq)

157 Best use of a blue screen ever: My Name Is Earl, when Randy discovers how they do the weather forecast.

https://tinyurl.com/yc8rwh43

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 07:20 PM (EzdLW)

158 139
I think there was a thread about the following here a while back. Anyway, these damned idiots are injecting some short of oil in their muscles to get this ridiculous pumped up look.

It looks grotesque, but they dig it. It's also very dangerous.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 07:12 PM (8O3HH)

Synthol. It's dangerous to use. There's a significant risk of infection and at least one user had to get significant debridement to keep from losing his arm.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 07:22 PM (NWiLs)

159 Gundrop, that's cool. Thanks for coming out to us. ;-)

(*cyberpinches GG's butt*)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:08 PM (eMKNe)

Hey, I said he was cute! I didn't say I'd let him pinch my butt!
Shame on you qdpsteve. Has Franken taught you nothing?!
*smacks qdp's noggin*

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:22 PM (7UCSd)

160 Ow!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:23 PM (eMKNe)

161 Maybe it's just nostalgia for afternoons watching grade Z Creature Feature flicks, but I kind of dig the old black and white sci-fi monsters like in the underrated "The Land Unknown". Check out the T-Rex action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI_Nu_LNRY0

It's like the effects man is wearing a $19.95 T-Rex snuggie! There is another aquatic dino that is actually rather niftily done.

Dinosaurs + hollow earth + Antarctic = awesomeness

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 07:23 PM (qJtVm)

162 Glad it worked out for him. I hope they were from a doc and legal.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:15 PM (7UCSd)

Anabolic steroids are usually illegal for muscle-enhancing purposes but you can get them in the back alley or find doctors who'll give you a wink-wink diagnosis and provide them.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 07:23 PM (NWiLs)

163 The battle scenes have a grittiness that you can't get with CGI. The actors look hot, dirty and tired because they were. The bloodshed is rather tame by our current standards and looks like red paint but those guys are rolling around in genuine South African dirt.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 18, 2017 07:14 PM

They didn't even use paint in some shots. The warriors would strike a "being shot" pose, clap a hand to their chest and fall. But when the hand drops there is no wound or even blood. Great film, though!

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:24 PM (qGuLD)

164 I gained a lot of respect for Hiddleston. He was in a series of film adaptations of Shakespeare's Henry 3rd, Henry 4th, and Henry 5th. He was very good.

I would love to watch those? Are they available on Amazon?

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:27 PM (CNHr1)

165 Maybe it's just nostalgia for afternoons watching grade Z Creature Feature flicks, but I kind of dig the old black and white sci-fi monsters like in the underrated "The Land Unknown". Check out the T-Rex action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI_Nu_LNRY0

It's like the effects man is wearing a $19.95 T-Rex snuggie! There is another aquatic dino that is actually rather niftily done.

Dinosaurs + hollow earth + Antarctic = awesomeness

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 07:23 PM (qJtVm)

Those are the same guys-in-rubber-suit monsters that are in the Doug McClure "Land That Time Forgot" movies. I agree they are classic.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 07:27 PM (T71PA)

166 163
They didn't even use paint in some shots. The warriors would strike a "being shot" pose, clap a hand to their chest and fall. But when the hand drops there is no wound or even blood. Great film, though!
Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:24 PM (qGuLD)

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It can be hard to hide an explosive squib with a red gel pack on a bare man's chest.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:27 PM (Jj43a)

167 Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:17 PM (eMKNe)
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I liked "Atomic Blonde" - great late-Cold War period piece, effective use of 80's soundtrack. Theron at least looked beat up after all her Hiiii-Keebah!! action.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 07:27 PM (qJtVm)

168 164 I gained a lot of respect for Hiddleston. He was in a series of film adaptations of Shakespeare's Henry 3rd, Henry 4th, and Henry 5th. He was very good.

I would love to watch those? Are they available on Amazon?
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:27 PM (CNHr1)

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The Hollow Crown?

I don't think it's on any streaming service. I've wanted to watch it for a while. I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:28 PM (Jj43a)

169 I gained a lot of respect for Hiddleston. He was in a series of film adaptations of Shakespeare's Henry 3rd, Henry 4th, and Henry 5th. He was very good.

I would love to watch those? Are they available on Amazon?

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:27 PM (CNHr1)

I don't know. I saw them on PBS a few years ago. I'd love to watch them again.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 07:28 PM (T71PA)

170 All Hail Eris, Charlize let her makeup get smudged? Cool. Thanks, I think I'll pick it up before long (or put it on my Christmas list).

Also thinking of getting a copy of Baby Driver.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:28 PM (eMKNe)

171 The Hollow Crown?

I don't think it's on any streaming service. I've wanted to watch it for a while. I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:28 PM (Jj43a)

Yes, I think that was the series title.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 07:29 PM (T71PA)

172 170
Also thinking of getting a copy of Baby Driver.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:28 PM (eMKNe)

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I highly recommend it. I love it.

Very fun surface, but the deeper level is still there about running from pain and escaping.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:30 PM (Jj43a)

173 I have another question for the Horde, but admittedly it isn't movie related. I'll ask again in tonight's ONT.

Which online cloud service provides the most storage for free?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:30 PM (eMKNe)

174 TJM, thanks! You sold me. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:30 PM (eMKNe)

175 "It can be hard to hide an explosive squib with a red gel pack on a bare man's chest."

Ketchup packet in the palm of the hand.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:31 PM (UdKB7)

176 175 "It can be hard to hide an explosive squib with a red gel pack on a bare man's chest."

Ketchup packet in the palm of the hand.
Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:31 PM (UdKB7)

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My eye!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:32 PM (Jj43a)

177 freaked, you'd have to pinprick the ketchup packet first.

Seems like all the ones I get are practically made of steel.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:32 PM (eMKNe)

178 The warriors would strike a "being shot" pose, clap a hand to their chest and fall. But when the hand drops there is no wound or even blood. Great film, though!
Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:24 PM (qGuLD)

I went to a seminar in the late 1980s on terrorism and the lecturer talked about the movie, Zulu. It was popular in Zululand at the time because the audience would watch the movie looking for their relatives that played the warriors!

Lecturer also predicted that the first Islamic attack would occur in New York City but thought the target would be the Statue of Liberty.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 18, 2017 07:32 PM (5Yee7)

179 Watching Westworld, stated a few weeks ago sci-fi overshoot it's Mark often, this movie is supposed to be 1984, these robot's won't even work in 2024
Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 07:11 PM (aC6Sd)

Is Westworld any good? I had some interest in watching. Or is it formulaic?

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:32 PM (7UCSd)

180
176 175 "It can be hard to hide an explosive squib with a red gel pack on a bare man's chest."

Ketchup packet in the palm of the hand.
Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:31 PM (UdKB7)

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My eye!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:32 PM (Jj43a)

Ta-daaaaaa!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 07:32 PM (eXA4G)

181 Did anyone see him in I Saw the Light? I wanted to go see it but never got the chance. I don't think it did well.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:33 PM (CNHr1)

182 Ray Harryhausen's stop motion effects are awesome. "Jason and the Argonauts" fighting the harpies and the skeleton army is a great scene. The amount of work they put into that is staggering.

Posted by: huerfano at November 18, 2017 07:33 PM (Dp2K8)

183 @172: "Very fun surface, but the deeper level is still there about running from ~~pain~~ Kevin Spacey and escaping."

FIFY.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 07:34 PM (I/iGu)

184 Walter, LOL.

"Hey you look like a cute kid! What's your name??..."

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:34 PM (eMKNe)

185 Henry V is available at Amazon if anyone is interested.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:34 PM (CNHr1)

186 I can see a Zulu taking his hand down and there is a ketchup packet stuck to his chest. They'd probably have to cut that.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:35 PM (UdKB7)

187 The original Westworld movie is a trip.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 07:35 PM (I/iGu)

188 Jewells, do they have any of the prequels? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:35 PM (eMKNe)

189 It can be hard to hide an explosive squib with a red gel pack on a bare man's chest.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:27 PM

Yeah, true. The "no wound" thing was pretty standard for a lot of action flicks like westerns and war stories around that time. But, at least put some paint on the guy's palm, or something, so it doesn't look like he died of a heart attack! Have always wondered why they did that? Doesn't seem like a a huge issue setting up the shots and whatnot or even a time constraint. With guys doing it in a group shot, I understand, but with a close up of a lone "shot guy"? Dunno.

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:35 PM (qGuLD)

190 Just saw the one Steve.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:36 PM (CNHr1)

191 The Hollow Crown

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MRIUB41

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 18, 2017 07:36 PM (pvjTE)

192 Henry V is available at Amazon if anyone is interested.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:34 PM (CNHr1)

Is it the one with Hiddleston as Henry V?

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 07:36 PM (T71PA)

193 I have seen this long ago ( Westworld) but caught the sequel not long ago so wanted to see this again. For those who don't know it's like all the players at Disneyland are robots and start killing the guests.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 07:36 PM (aC6Sd)

194 Justice League expected to fail to reach 100 million domestic in opening weekend. Holy Sh#t Batman!

Posted by: Max Power at November 18, 2017 07:36 PM (Hucnr)

195 In the old days it took longer to bleed. People were tough.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:37 PM (UdKB7)

196 Harryhausen stands the test of time. I still love Dr. Who siccing the Kali statue on Sinbad in "The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROssbvtE41U

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 07:37 PM (qJtVm)

197 otho, Big Jake used some squibs that looked pretty... kinda cheap, actually, as I recall.

Fun/funny late-career John Wayne flick. He basically insults/hits his grown sons all the way through it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:37 PM (eMKNe)

198 The original Westworld movie is a trip.

They ran it on TV here before the new one began. I think Yul Brenner was in it. It must have been pretty cool back in the day when it was made.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:37 PM (7UCSd)

199 Which online cloud service provides the most storage for free?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:30 PM (eMKNe)

Strictly by capacity for the free tier, I think it's mega.nz at the moment, with 50 gigglebutts.

It kind of varies though. If you already have AMZN Prime, I think you get unlimited picture storage. Google drive, Apple iCloud, and MSFT OneDrive also give you some free allotment if you own their devices, I think.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 07:38 PM (y87Qq)

200 189 Yeah, true. The "no wound" thing was pretty standard for a lot of action flicks like westerns and war stories around that time. But, at least put some paint on the guy's palm, or something, so it doesn't look like he died of a heart attack! Have always wondered why they did that? Doesn't seem like a a huge issue setting up the shots and whatnot or even a time constraint. With guys doing it in a group shot, I understand, but with a close up of a lone "shot guy"? Dunno.
Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:35 PM (qGuLD)

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I remember that for a Time the MPAA had real trouble with movies that showed, in the same frame, a gun firing and the targeted person being shot. I think it was something about Clint that began to break that (Where Eagles Dare... Maybe).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:38 PM (Jj43a)

201 My favorite special effects involve rubber suits.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 06:27 PM (UdKB7)

Like the Gill-man suit from "Creature from the Black lagoon"?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 07:39 PM (oPNmq)

202 The Hood exploding in Sink the Bismark is pretty impressive. They even used a grainy film stock to give it an actual footage feel. Much better than the effects in In Harm's Way (IHW is a great movie, but not for the effects).

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 07:39 PM (3DZIZ)

203 The Grim Reaper messed up again. He must be a gubmint employee.

He was supposed to take Charlie, not Malc. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 06:57 PM (eMKNe)

It looks the Reaper will be visiting David Cassidy soon. He's in a very bad way

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 07:39 PM (SiINZ)

204 I remember that for a Time the MPAA had real trouble with movies that showed, in the same frame, a gun firing and the targeted person being shot. I think it was something about Clint that began to break that (Where Eagles Dare... Maybe).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:38 PM

Aaaaahh... now it all makes sense if that is the case!

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:39 PM (qGuLD)

205 I still love Dr. Who siccing the Kali statue on Sinbad in "The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad":

That's the movie that got Tom Baker the job.

They asked what he had been in, and that movie was playing around the corner, so the production staff went over to watch it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 18, 2017 07:39 PM (oVJmc)

206 201 My favorite special effects involve rubber suits.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 06:27 PM (UdKB7)

Kinky.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 18, 2017 07:40 PM (NWiLs)

207 179
Is Westworld any good? I had some interest in watching. Or is it formulaic?
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:32 PM (7UCSd)
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The original Westworld with Yul Brynner?
Of course it's good ---because Yul Brynner.
And it doesn't matter if it's formulaic or not --- because Yul Brynner.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 07:40 PM (0jtPF)

208 We don't even have flying cars.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 18, 2017 07:09 PM (Nwg0u)

Colin Furze built a hoverbike.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 18, 2017 07:40 PM (2K6fY)

209 Raise the Titanic (1980) had a cool scene of the ship surfacing. I heard they blew most of the film budget on it.

The 55-foot ship model is currently rusting away somewhere in Malta.

Posted by: HuuskerDu at November 18, 2017 07:40 PM (gYAkw)

210 Zulu is a great movie made in the early 1960s about the siege of Rorke's Drift in 1879. Movie crew went down to South Africa for filming.

It's a very good movie. I couldn't imagine being those 100 or so British soldiers and knowing that thousands of Zulu warriors were about to show up

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (SiINZ)

211 I can see a Zulu taking his hand down and there is a ketchup packet stuck to his chest. They'd probably have to cut that.
Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:35 PM (UdKB7)

When Zulu was filmed, I don't think the little ketchup packets had been invented yet.

If I remember correctly, something like 11 Victoria Crosses were awarded to a garrison of about 130 men. That is a very unusual percentage. One of the defenders, Colour Sergeant Bourne was given the option of either accepting a VC or taking a commission. He chose a commission and I think he eventually retired as a Lt. Colonel.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (5Yee7)

212 Duke.. yes it is.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (CNHr1)

213 Soon it will be just actors in front of green screens, followed shortly by full-on CGI with no actors.

And then Skynet will get busted for having a casting couch.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (xQfPr)

214 "Like the Gill-man suit from "Creature from the Black lagoon"?

Oh yea. Or one stomping Tokyo. Rubber suit monsters are the best.

The creature was not the star of CFTBL though.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (UdKB7)

215 I still love Dr. Who siccing the Kali statue on Sinbad in "The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad":

That's the movie that got Tom Baker the job.

They asked what he had been in, and that movie was playing around the corner, so the production staff went over to watch it.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 18, 2017 07:39 PM (oVJmc)

He was also good as Rasputin in 'Nicholas and Alexandra'. An underrated movie in my opinion.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (SiINZ)

216 I remember that for a Time the MPAA had real trouble with movies that showed, in the same frame, a gun firing and the targeted person being shot. I think it was something about Clint that began to break that (Where Eagles Dare... Maybe)
.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:38 PM (Jj43a)

I seem to recall that one of Sam Peckinpaw's (sp?) films in the late 60's or early 70's was slightly scandalous because it showed blood as a result of being shot. They used a lot of squibs.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (T71PA)

217 **TOP FIVE FRANCHISES THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT**

5: Office Space 2: Office Spacey (Kevin takes over Gary Cole's role as Lundberg)

4. Speed Racer 2: Speed's On Speed

3. Godfather 4 (180 mins of nothing but Alec Baldwin being shot and shot and shot some more by other mobsters)

2. Horrible Bosses 3: Starring Harvey Weinstein

1. Primary Colors 2: Kill Bill

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (eMKNe)

218 We don't even have flying cars.

Uber's working on it, sort of. Last week's Greg Gutfeld Show did a segment making fun of their efforts.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 07:43 PM (EzdLW)

219 I love the Harryhausen Sinbad movies. Of course, the best visual is Caroline Munro, who is no special effect.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 07:43 PM (ANIFC)

220 And then Skynet will get busted for having a casting couch.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (xQfPr)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8yQhXDquII

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 07:43 PM (qJtVm)

221 hogmartin, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:44 PM (eMKNe)

222 TQM, wow, didn't know.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:45 PM (eMKNe)

223 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 07:40 PM (0jtPF)

I did see the original. I was wondering about the new one. Too bad we don't have a Yul Brynner type actor today. I saw him live in a show, but it was towards the end of his life and I wish I hadn't gone. That powerful, unique presence was gone.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:45 PM (7UCSd)

224 209 Raise the Titanic (1980) had a cool scene of the ship surfacing. I heard they blew most of the film budget on it.

The 55-foot ship model is currently rusting away somewhere in Malta.
Posted by: HuuskerDu at November 18, 2017 07:40 PM (gYAkw)

I am sorry, I like that movie. Great music. Cool idea. Richard Jordan. Leaky Storytelling. Idiotic conclusion.

"Let's not have a nuclear weapons shield to protect everyone because someone might, someday, make a Byzanium bomb!... oh and also the mineral is so powerful that it might provide energy for the entire country cheaply."

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:45 PM (ycWCI)

225 Great non cgi fantasy movie - Dragonslayer.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 18, 2017 07:45 PM (WN2A5)

226 The needle into the eye ball is very disturbing.

Green Screen - I always marvel at how good actors can make you believe the craziest stuff.

In 'The Fifth Element' there is a cutaway reaction shot where three actors are reacting to the main action sequence. Ruby Rod is emoting as hard as he can, but he is looking in the wrong direction.

And the commentary tracks on the DVD often mention how the actors have to react to action they can't see, or in some cases, the other actor isn't even on set. Having the other actor to react to/with is easier for the actors to get into the character, and into the action. Some budgets don't want to pay both high powered talent when only one of them is 'working'.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 07:46 PM (4XCge)

227 I remember that for a Time the MPAA had real trouble with movies that showed, in the same frame, a gun firing and the targeted person being shot. I think it was something about Clint that began to break that (Where Eagles Dare... Maybe).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:38 PM

It may not have been just "in the same frame", either. There may have been some concerns about running afoul of MPAA for being "too bloody", so the directors/producers would cut back where they felt they could.

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:46 PM (qGuLD)

228 Did Ralph Bakshi ever make a movie, animated or otherwise, that was (a) any good and (b) wasn't rated hard-R?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:46 PM (eMKNe)

229 219 I love the Harryhausen Sinbad movies. Of course, the best visual is Caroline Munro, who is no special effect.

My husband loves those!!! I actually still enjoy watching them but never see them on TV anymore. But you just gave me a great gift idea for the man who is impossible to buy for!

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 07:47 PM (CNHr1)

230

The Hollow Crown

Richard II is outstanding. The guy that plays Richard nails the part.

Henry IV pt I and II are both good. Jeremy Irons steals the show and Hiddleston actually does a pretty good imitation of him in the tavern scenes.

Henry V, meh. Honestly, you are better off skipping it and watching the Branagh version instead.

I haven't watched the rest because I found out Cumberbund plays Richard III and in the couple of clips I've seen he plays it exactly like I thought he would.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 07:47 PM (3DZIZ)

231 I never really believed the flying car thing but I did think we would have space stations and moon bases by now.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:47 PM (UdKB7)

232 217 **TOP FIVE FRANCHISES THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT**
.....
3. Godfather 4 (180 mins of nothing but Alec Baldwin being shot and shot and shot some more by other mobsters)......

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (eMKNe)
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Damn. How did the studio suits reject that one?
I'd pay to see it!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 07:47 PM (0jtPF)

233
I remember that for a Time the MPAA had real trouble with movies that showed, in the same frame, a gun firing and the targeted person being shot. I think it was something about Clint that began to break that (Where Eagles Dare... Maybe).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:38 PM (Jj43a)

I thing WED largely still conforms to that single-frame gun-kill rule. But Clint coldly slaughters so many Nazis in the flick that I get the feeling that the MPAA just threw up their hands and decided that it wasn't worth the effort to enforce the rule anymore.

Funny thing, it reminds me of an old Little Rascals episode that I saw at a kid. The Rascals all go to the movies to see a western. The white-hatted hero stands in the open with the damsel-in-distress clinging to his arm and he blasts away from the hip at the bad guys. The black-hats are all hiding behind rocks, and actually AIMING their Colts. And they're all falling over dead while the hero picks them off one by one from the hip.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 07:48 PM (eXA4G)

234 TJM/otho, I think the MPAA had problems with The Wild Bunch.

Plus the ratings system has gone through some weird permutations over the years. I think the original ratings were G, GP, M and X.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:48 PM (eMKNe)

235 228 Did Ralph Bakshi ever make a movie, animated or otherwise, that was (a) any good and (b) wasn't rated hard-R?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:46 PM (eMKNe)

His Lord of The Rings is interesting. I am not saying it is good, per se, but it is interesting to watch.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:48 PM (ycWCI)

236 >>>Dragonslayer.<<<<

Vermithrax Perjorative is the best looking movie dragon ever.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 07:48 PM (3DZIZ)

237 228 Did Ralph Bakshi ever make a movie, animated or otherwise, that was (a) any good and (b) wasn't rated hard-R?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:46 PM (eMKNe)

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I like how Lord of the Rings, but I'd be hard pressed to call it good.

A lot of people seem to like Wizards, but I thought it was an unwatchable mess.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:48 PM (Jj43a)

238 225 Great non cgi fantasy movie - Dragonslayer.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 18, 2017 07:45 PM (WN2A5)

Fun, but odd.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:48 PM (ycWCI)

239 Margarita, me too ;-)

(I think Alec paid for all the prints and burned them in a bonfire in the desert)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:48 PM (eMKNe)

240 Did Ralph Bakshi ever make a movie, animated or otherwise, that was (a) any good and (b) wasn't rated hard-R?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:46 PM

Wizards? That was ok.

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 07:49 PM (qGuLD)

241 I seem to recall that one of Sam Peckinpaw's (sp?) films in the late 60's or early 70's was slightly scandalous because it showed blood as a result of being shot. They used a lot of squibs.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (T71PA)

The Wild Bunch, maybe?

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 18, 2017 07:49 PM (5Yee7)

242 Oh, the end of Sanjuro.

Best arterial spray ever.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 07:49 PM (3DZIZ)

243 Sterling Hayden

Before my time, but he was yummy.

(What? You guys drool over girls all the time!)

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:06 PM (7UCSd)

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He was a leftist asshole. I'm guessing that gave him the oomph to reeeally caricature Ripper in Dr. Strangelove.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2017 07:49 PM (/qEW2)

244
I remember watching this movie for the first time and saying "That's not
stock footage!"Yes,they really did a wheels up B-17 landing.Stunt man
alone in the plane I think they paid hom $25 k(don't know why this guy
used the crappy music insteadof original audio)

https://youtu.be/ZJ07ieBOZpk

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2017 06:42 PM (LiyEm)

The tune is "Boogie Woogie" by the Tommy Dorsey orchestra. Big band music was the sound track to WWII, you know.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 07:49 PM (oPNmq)

245 AOP, yup.

And I looked up that old old song that was used in Get Out, "Run Rabbit Run." Came out in something like 1949.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:50 PM (eMKNe)

246 Ray Harryhausen's stop motion effects are awesome. "Jason and the Argonauts" fighting the harpies and the skeleton army is a great scene. The amount of work they put into that is staggering.

Posted by: huerfano at November 18, 2017 07:33 PM (Dp2K

That's a good one. I really liked it as kid. Movies like that could really capture a kid's imagination. Now it's all CGI nonsense

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 07:50 PM (SiINZ)

247 223 .....Too bad we don't have a Yul Brynner type actor today. I saw him live in a show, but it was towards the end of his life and I wish I hadn't gone. That powerful, unique presence was gone.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:45 PM (7UCSd)
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F*ck cancer.

But yeah, he had an extraordinary presence.
And that voice!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 07:51 PM (0jtPF)

248 Ralph Bakshi did the Heavy Metal movie, ( I think)
Now will look it up

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 07:51 PM (aC6Sd)

249 In Westworld there is one (or more) scenes where Yuel Brenner is marching through the scene in pursuit of the guy who wants a gunfight.

That same scene is redone with Arnold in the various Terminator movies. Even Summer Glau does it.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (4XCge)

250 The Fifth Element'

I think I actually saw that. Bruce Willis! I thought it was cool until the end. Then it kind of felt too unoriginal. Maybe I've become a curmudgeon about movies.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (7UCSd)

251 Oldie but awesome goodie - In Harm's Way. Best John Wayne flick ever.

Posted by: The Guy at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (4cEdi)

252 Blowing up the bridge in Wild Bunch was a good effect/stunt.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (3DZIZ)

253 Oldie but awesome goodie - In Harm's Way. Best John Wayne flick ever.

Posted by: The Guy at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (4cEdi)

254 F*ck cancer.

But yeah, he had an extraordinary presence.
And that voice!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 07:51 PM (0jtPF)

I'd imagine ladies would love Brenner's "The Magnificent Seven".

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (ycWCI)

255 Oldie but awesome goodie - In Harm's Way. Best John Wayne flick ever.

Posted by: The Guy at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (4cEdi)

256 Yul Brynner

should have checked my spelling.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (4XCge)

257 He was a leftist asshole. I'm guessing that gave him the oomph to reeeally caricature Ripper in Dr. Strangelove.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2017 07:49 PM (/qEW2)

So was Robert Ryan. He was a real pinko. I think I read that John Wayne couldn't stand him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 07:53 PM (SiINZ)

258 But I would be wrong

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 07:53 PM (aC6Sd)

259
Whatever happened to Farmers Only dot com?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 07:53 PM (xRjiA)

260 Soothsayer: somebody put some makeup on the pigs in the trough and... well, you just don't wanna know what happened after that. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:54 PM (eMKNe)

261 Mercury Rising--worth seeing just to watch Bruce Willis kill the shit out of Alec Baldwin.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 07:54 PM (3DZIZ)

262 225 Great non cgi fantasy movie - Dragonslayer.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 18, 2017 07:45 PM (WN2A5)
Fun, but odd.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:48 PM (ycWCI)

Yup....fun and enjoyable. The old bastard who played the wizard was an old english guy who also starred in HG Well's "The Shape of Things to Come" as a fur wearing warlord in post apocalyptic England called "The Boss".
1936 I think.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 07:54 PM (nUkMr)

263 259
Whatever happened to Farmers Only dot com?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 07:53 PM (xRjiA)

I just saw a tv commercial for it in the break-room at work last night.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:55 PM (ycWCI)

264 "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" took over three blocks in the Central Business District of New Orleans, including a short block in front of, and to the side of, the building I worked in. They made a special entrance to our garage by re-routing a one way street.

The set makers were amazing. They built a reproduction, a three story, reproduction, of a part of the Embarcadero in San Francisco in a vacant lot across the street. They were able to transform another street one I traveled daily for 15 years, making it unrecognizable. Of note were the painters. I could not tell plywood from steel without touching it. As I said amazing work.

All of this was constructed except the tall buildings on either side. I worked in the one to the right.

https://tinyurl.com/y8tnumtq

The building on the left was where the vacant lot was, the one on the right is the front of my building.

https://tinyurl.com/y8jqzfmr

Wish I could post some shots I got.

The movie, especially the CGI, was a disappointment but I gained a new appreciation for the builders.

Posted by: Javems at November 18, 2017 07:55 PM (yOqwj)

265 Rankin-Bass claymation movie I'd like to watch:

Mad Monster Party.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:55 PM (eMKNe)

266 "Whatever happened to Farmers Only dot com? "

Went to seed.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2017 07:55 PM (UdKB7)

267

Just saw a tv ad for a dating site for hooking up with "big" girls. Curve Connect dot com.

Must be the new farmers only dot com?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 07:56 PM (xRjiA)

268 Yul Brynner > Yuel Brynner > Euell Gibbons

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 07:56 PM (EzdLW)

269 Oh, the end of Sanjuro.

Best arterial spray ever.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 07:49 PM (3DZIZ)

ISTR reading that was actually a dorked-up effect; too much pressure in the pipe or something, so nobody was expecting what happened (and of course that's the one they kept).

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 07:56 PM (y87Qq)

270
I just saw a tv commercial for it in the break-room at work last night.

Oh. I haven't seen it in ages. Thought it was defunct.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 07:56 PM (xRjiA)

271 216 I seem to recall that one of Sam Peckinpaw's (sp?) films in the late 60's or early 70's was slightly scandalous because it showed blood as a result of being shot. They used a lot of squibs.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 07:42 PM (T71PA)

I've never seen a Peckinpah film (though I'm familiar with him via a Monty Python sketch), but I'm guessing that Verhoven had him beaten in the "most blood squibs used" category with Robocop.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 07:57 PM (5sQ8t)

272 He was a leftist asshole. I'm guessing that gave him the oomph to reeeally caricature Ripper in Dr. Strangelove.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2017 07:49 PM (/qEW2)

Hahahahaha
Don't be jealous. Jk

He was still good looking. Of course, now I'll have to remember that leftie thing when I see him in a movie. Way to ruin it for me!

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:57 PM (7UCSd)

273 254---I'd imagine ladies would love Brenner's "The Magnificent Seven".
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (ycWCI)
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Is there any other?!?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 07:57 PM (0jtPF)

274 269 Oh, the end of Sanjuro.

Best arterial spray ever.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 07:49 PM (3DZIZ)

ISTR reading that was actually a dorked-up effect; too much pressure in the pipe or something, so nobody was expecting what happened (and of course that's the one they kept).
Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 07:56 PM (y87Qq)

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Joan's arterial spray in The Passion of Joan of Arc.

100% real.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:58 PM (Jj43a)

275 273 254---I'd imagine ladies would love Brenner's "The Magnificent Seven".
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (ycWCI)
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Is there any other?!?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 07:57 PM (0jtPF)

Well, some might say "Seven Samurai", but nope, no other movie made called Magnificent Seven.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:59 PM (ycWCI)

276 qdpsteve -

Got the movie. Thank you again. I sent a package to you on Thursday. Should be there Wed. - Fri. Hope you like it.

Posted by: cfo mom at November 18, 2017 07:59 PM (RfzVr)

277 273 254---I'd imagine ladies would love Brenner's "The Magnificent Seven".
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 07:52 PM (ycWCI)
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Is there any other?!?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 07:57 PM (0jtPF)

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There was the one with the samurai...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:59 PM (Jj43a)

278 Blowing up the bridge in Wild Bunch was a good effect/stunt.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18,
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Horses coming off the train.
Blowing out the office window at the beginning and
the gunfight at the end.

That movie should be seen in a theater to be appreciated

Posted by: gNewt at November 18, 2017 07:59 PM (BoJzR)

279 TJM, remember that old joke about Joan of Arc's last words?

"I'm smoking more and enjoying it less!" :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:59 PM (eMKNe)

280 HG,
That was Ralph Richardson. He played Gladstone in Khartoum as well.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 08:00 PM (3DZIZ)

281 Are those steroids? He is wrecking his body. That plus smoking and drinking...and lack of ethics and morals. He's self-destructive I guess. He had a second comeback & now he's ruining that.

Always heard steroids can make you rage, and also shrink your meat & potatoes. What a trainwreck.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is something, something, the end. at November 18, 2017 06:49 PM (7UCSd)

He looks alcohol bloated to me.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:00 PM (Ri/rl)

282 You don't have to be lonely.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 08:00 PM (I/iGu)

283 279 TJM, remember that old joke about Joan of Arc's last words?

"I'm smoking more and enjoying it less!" :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:59 PM (eMKNe)

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Too soon!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:00 PM (Jj43a)

284 Dr. Who siccing the Kali statue on Sinbad i

Now the statue could just do an Atlas backflip. I knew this robot thing would get us in trouble.

Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2017 08:00 PM (FhXTo)

285 cfo mom, thanks and glad you got it! :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:00 PM (eMKNe)

286 I read somewhere that the train in Branaugh's Murder On the Orient Express ran on a 1 mile loop inside a huge film studio.

Posted by: HuuskerDu at November 18, 2017 08:01 PM (gYAkw)

287 I've never seen a Peckinpah film (though I'm familiar with him via a Monty Python sketch), but I'm guessing that Verhoven had him beaten in the "most blood squibs used" category with Robocop.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 07:57 PM (5sQ8t)

I don't think I've ever actually watched any of Pekinpah's films. They always seemed too in-your-face blood and guts edgy for me.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 08:01 PM (T71PA)

288 A lot of people seem to like Wizards, but I thought it was an unwatchable mess.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 07:48 PM (Jj43a)
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I assume you weren't trippin', otherwise, masterpiece.

I saw it at the drive in with a cute Jarhead and a bottle of cherry wine.

As for a good Bakshi film, I think "Fire and Ice" is actually not too bad. And as has been said, some elements of "Lord of the Rings" were effective.

If Bakshi is still alive he should tackle "Bored of the Rings".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 08:01 PM (qJtVm)

289 What would have been a good update of Seven Samurai/The Magnificent Seven would be a Christian village in the Middle East or Africa being attacked by islamic terrorists & contacting mercenaries to defend them. Of course, that movie will never be made.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:01 PM (ANIFC)

290 264----...I gained a new appreciation for the builders....
Posted by: Javems at November 18, 2017 07:55 PM (yOqwj)
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Wow. Just wow.
That must have been fascinating to witness the transformation of your own stomping ground into a new world.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 08:02 PM (0jtPF)

291

I'm dead now. Don't smoke.

Posted by: Zombie Yul Brenner at November 18, 2017 08:02 PM (IqV8l)

292 has anyone here seen "Looking for Richard," where Pacino and various great Shakespearians (including Spacey) rehearse and act scenes from Richard III?

I own it on VHS of all things. It's meta, but Shakesp. lends itself to revelling by actors.

best line by Al: "I'll have here, but I will not keep her long."

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 08:02 PM (9mZIr)

293
He was also good as Rasputin in 'Nicholas and Alexandra'. An underrated movie in my opinion.

He also has a nude scene in The Canturbury Tales (1972), but it's just a small part.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 18, 2017 08:02 PM (oVJmc)

294 I heard they were doing a sequel to Starman. I thought Bridges was excellent in that. Karen Allen...not a fan.

Just thought I'd mention.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:02 PM (7UCSd)

295 her. not here. *rolls eyes at self*

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 08:03 PM (9mZIr)

296 @286: "I read somewhere that the train in Branaugh's Murder On the Orient Express ran on a 1 mile loop inside a huge film studio."

I just wanna know how long Hollywood will continue inflicting Josh Gad upon us.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 08:03 PM (I/iGu)

297 He was still good looking. Of course, now I'll have to remember that leftie thing when I see him in a movie. Way to ruin it for me!
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:57 PM (7UCSd)

I don't know if he was in any movies but I always thought Robert Conrad was super hot. Wild Wild West.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:04 PM (Ri/rl)

298 HG,
That was Ralph Richardson. He played Gladstone in Khartoum as well.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 08:00 PM (3DZIZ)

Thanks GMP! He was always good in whatever I have seen him in. Talented guy and likable.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 08:04 PM (nUkMr)

299 296 @286: "I read somewhere that the train in Branaugh's Murder On the Orient Express ran on a 1 mile loop inside a huge film studio."

I just wanna know how long Hollywood will continue inflicting Josh Gad upon us.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 18, 2017 08:03 PM (I/iGu)

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Do you have something against happy snowmen?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:05 PM (Jj43a)

300 I'm dead now. Don't smoke.
Posted by: Zombie Yul Brenner

That was actually a pretty eerie commercial/PSA.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at November 18, 2017 08:05 PM (S6Pax)

301 Bozo, didn't hurt that Yup requested it air *after* he was already gone.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:05 PM (eMKNe)

302 Well, some might say "Seven Samurai", but nope, no other movie made called Magnificent Seven.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers? No?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at November 18, 2017 08:05 PM (S6Pax)

303 I did see the original. I was wondering about the new one. Too bad we don't have a Yul Brynner type actor today. I saw him live in a show, but it was towards the end of his life and I wish I hadn't gone. That powerful, unique presence was gone.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 07:45 PM (7UCSd)

I saw Yul Brynner too. I was a little kid, early 70's at the commissary at Universal.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:05 PM (Ri/rl)

304 Wizard of Oz is on TBS,

Poppys!

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 08:06 PM (aC6Sd)

305 Yup? Yul. This Mac is hyper vigilant with autocucumber.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:06 PM (eMKNe)

306 Karen Allen...not a fan.

Just thought I'd mention.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:02 PM (7UCSd)

Lordy I had a crush on her. She was in a lot of movies for a while, Animal House, Raiders. But Starman is one of my personal faves.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Covfefe with a little Irish at November 18, 2017 08:06 PM (bZ4w4)

307
I have always been a fan of the space travel scenes in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 18, 2017 08:06 PM (pNxlR)

308 Disney's Mulan had some of the Seven Samurai humor.

and the tough guys sang!

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 08:07 PM (9mZIr)

309 We have free HBO for a bit, taping anything we are interested in. Jules currently has "Sum of All Fears". It's a Jack Ryan story, anyone seen this? Any good?

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 08:07 PM (yJ1e6)

310 Murder on the Orient Express was shot on 65mm film, not digital. It was old school all the way.

Posted by: HuuskerDu at November 18, 2017 08:07 PM (gYAkw)

311 One of the best contrasts between "real" objects and CGI is Tora Tora Tora vs Pearl Harbor. The latter is a pale imitation of the former. Other aviation greats using real aircraft: The Blue Max, 633 Squadron, and The Battle of Britain. CGI can't compete (yet).

As for matte shots, it's hard to beat Raiders of the Lost Ark. The Pan Am clipper shot is mostly matte and the last scene in the movie is an exceptionally long matte shot using a surprisingly crude matte painting. But it works beautifully! And did you know that every ceiling shot in Gone With The Wind was a matte painting?

Posted by: MichiCanuck at November 18, 2017 08:08 PM (u5xAT)

312 Margaret Hamilton-Traumatizing American children since 1939.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 08:08 PM (3DZIZ)

313 Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:04 PM (Ri/rl)

Oh my gawd, yes! Those blue eyes were killer. I didn't watch that show but I think he was a guest star on some things. Kinda surprised he didn't make big screen, but sometimes it doesn't work.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:08 PM (7UCSd)

314 309 We have free HBO for a bit, taping anything we are interested in. Jules currently has "Sum of All Fears". It's a Jack Ryan story, anyone seen this? Any good?
Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 08:07 PM (yJ1e6)

Buttman is Jack Ryan, so no. Rent the DVD & listen to Tom Clancy's scathing commentary if you must watch.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:08 PM (ANIFC)

315 The Sum of All Fears - good enough.
The book was better. There is more 'stuff' in the book.
If you haven't read the book, the movie is pretty good.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 08:09 PM (4XCge)

316 My FIL was flying one of the kates in Tora Tora Tora.
I think he also landed on the carrier.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:09 PM (Ri/rl)

317 Yup? Yul. This Mac is hyper vigilant with autocucumber.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:06 PM (eMKNe)

System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text -> Spelling, uncheck 'Ewok'

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 08:09 PM (y87Qq)

318

Bookenlass, Richard, yes!

Thought I was the only one who had ever seen that!

And he KILLED that scene... perfect...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 18, 2017 08:10 PM (qul7b)

319 309 We have free HBO for a bit, taping anything we are interested in. Jules currently has "Sum of All Fears". It's a Jack Ryan story, anyone seen this? Any good?
Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 08:07 PM (yJ1e6)

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I think I'm the only one who likes it.

And I like it a lot.

I know that a lot of the criticism stems from two places: Ben Affleck and the change of bad guys from Islamic terrorists to neo Nazis.

The movie was made pre 9/11, and apparently the producers didn't consider Islamic terrorists to be credible villains. Apparently.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:10 PM (Jj43a)

320 310 Murder on the Orient Express was shot on 65mm film, not digital. It was old school all the way.
Posted by: HuuskerDu at November 18, 2017 08:07 PM (gYAkw)

Dunkirk was also shot on film, IIRC

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:10 PM (ANIFC)

321 hogmartin, thanks :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:10 PM (eMKNe)

322 'I always thought Robert Conrad was super hot.'

So did I.

Posted by: Robert Conrad at November 18, 2017 08:10 PM (UdKB7)

323 I'm glad you people tell me when I have free HBO, I wouldn't know otherwise

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 08:10 PM (aC6Sd)

324 Oh my gawd, yes! Those blue eyes were killer. I didn't watch that show but I think he was a guest star on some things. Kinda surprised he didn't make big screen, but sometimes it doesn't work.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:08 PM (7UCSd)

He should have been a bigger star, that man was handsome.
Do a search for young Robert Conrad, he was phenomenal, he had a 12 pack before that was a thing.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:11 PM (Ri/rl)

325 320 310 Murder on the Orient Express was shot on 65mm film, not digital. It was old school all the way.
Posted by: HuuskerDu at November 18, 2017 08:07 PM (gYAkw)

Dunkirk was also shot on film, IIRC
Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:10 PM (ANIFC)

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Nolan likes him some film.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:11 PM (Jj43a)

326 I make sport of The Affleck but he was quite good in Gone Girl and Hollywoodland.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 08:11 PM (qJtVm)

327 Flying taxis

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology- 39003397/sky-taxi-to-fly-in-dubai-from-july
remove space after y-

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at November 18, 2017 08:11 PM (fcxP2)

328 290
264----...I gained a new appreciation for the builders....

Posted by: Javems at November 18, 2017 07:55 PM (yOqwj)

----------------------------

Wow. Just wow.

That must have been fascinating to witness the transformation of your own stomping ground into a new world.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 18, 2017 08:02 PM (0jtPF)

--------------------------

I have a bunch of photo's I took, many from our parking garage, including some video of some of the scenes. Probably could have sold some pre-release had I the notion.

Posted by: Javems at November 18, 2017 08:11 PM (yOqwj)

329 Jules currently has "Sum of All Fears". It's a Jack Ryan story, anyone seen this? Any good?
Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 08:07 PM (yJ1e6)

Liev Schreiber owns bones. There's a nice montage set to a Pavarotti of 'Nessun Dorma' at the end and the bomb is neat to watch. Otherwise, meh. Seen worse, definitely seen better.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 08:12 PM (y87Qq)

330 Dare you to knock me off

Posted by: Eveready battery at November 18, 2017 08:12 PM (aC6Sd)

331 I wii keep asking because I cannot be the only person to have seen Brawl in Cell Block 99.

Speak up. I thought it was an awesome guy movie. It is what I think every guy wants to believe he could be even though the character is a criminal.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

332 326 I make sport of The Affleck but he was quite good in Gone Girl and Hollywoodland.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 08:11 PM (qJtVm)

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He's a shockingly good director. Gone baby gone, the town, and Argo?

Yes please, make more movies, even if his last is apparently bad.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:12 PM (Jj43a)

333 In Vino, so cool you've seen it.

He did kill it. How on earth could a man seduce the widow of his victim? But Pacino's charisma made it believable.

I wonder if Richard III had that quality too?

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 08:13 PM (9mZIr)

334 Lordy I had a crush on her. She was in a lot of movies for a while, Animal House, Raiders. But Starman is one of my personal faves.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Covfefe with a little Irish at November 18, 2017 08:06 PM (bZ4w4)

I can totally see guys liking her...don't know why I don't. I think it was Jeff Bridges that said there'd be a sequel. I'm guessing it'll be him coming back to meet his son. Not much I want to watch these days, but I'd see that.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:13 PM (7UCSd)

335 make sport of The Affleck but he was quite good in Gone Girl and Hollywoodland.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 08:11 PM (qJtVm)

His best acting and by far creepiest is Killer Inside Me.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (2DOZq)

336 I don't know if he was in any movies but I always thought Robert Conrad was super hot. Wild Wild West.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:04 PM (Ri/rl)

My sister had the hots for Robert Conrad in Wild Wild West too. TV actor mostly. He refused to be in the 1999 big screen remake. He's still around, but doesn't seem to have done much work since the 90s.

I liked him in Black Sheep Squadron.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (EzdLW)

337
The movie was made pre 9/11, and apparently the producers didn't consider Islamic terrorists to be credible villains. Apparently.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:10 PM (Jj43a)

I think you are wrong there. I think the reason they changed the villain then is the same reason they do it now: they do not want to offend the muslim community.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (ycWCI)

338 Lordy I had a crush on her. She was in a lot of movies for a while, Animal House, Raiders. But Starman is one of my personal faves.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Covfefe with a little Irish at November 18, 2017 08:06 PM (bZ4w4)

#metoo

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (ANIFC)

339 HuuskerDu and josephistan, there's a chapter in the latest edition of "The Filmmaker's Handbook," which I bought and read, about shooting on actual film, if you're masochistic enough to go ahead and insist on it.

The whole chapter on using professional 35mm and other film cameras pretty much reads like this:

- Make sure your lighting is adequate.
- Clean the gate.
- Install and remove film standing underneath a tarp that's blacker than black.
- Clean the gate.
- Record your audio separately.
- Clean the gate.
- Have a professional with experience setting your focus and aperture on the camera.
- Clean the gate.
- If there's a giant mile-long scratch across all the film you just spent tons of time painstakingly installing, removing and shooting your film on, it's because you let dirt into the camera and didn't clean the gate.
- Clean the gate.
- Clean the gate.
- CLEAN THE GATE!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (eMKNe)

340 "Zulu is a great movie made in the early 1960s about the siege of Rorke's Drift in 1879."

It was the first big movie role for Michael Caine Ironically, the East End boy played the upper upper class officer.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (pV/54)

341 Oh NVM, I don't think that's a Pavarotti. Still good.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (y87Qq)

342 He should have been a bigger star, that man was handsome.
Do a search for young Robert Conrad, he was phenomenal, he had a 12 pack before that was a thing.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:11 PM (Ri/rl)

Yup...he was a jock and in great shape but I think he is only like 4'11" on a good day. Maybe 5'2" with boots on.

Robert Reich small.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 08:15 PM (nUkMr)

343 Bridges that said there'd be a sequel. I'm guessing it'll be him coming back to meet his son. Not much I want to watch these days, but I'd see that.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:13 PM (7UCSd)

I would too. Karen crush aside, I am a huge fan of the Jeff. If done right it could be a great movie.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Covfefe with a little Irish at November 18, 2017 08:15 PM (bZ4w4)

344 >>>>I wonder if Richard III had that quality too?<<<<

He really did marry Anne Neville after killing her husband and father in law.

It was a bit more complicated than the play, but yeah he did it.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 08:15 PM (3DZIZ)

345 Nolan likes him some film.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:11 PM

Scores major points for that alone. Using film requires serious discipline.

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 08:15 PM (qGuLD)

346

Hmm, good questions.

Pacino's intensity, low temp creepiness and breaking the wall to walk right off the set and into your room, so to speak... amazing.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 18, 2017 08:16 PM (qul7b)

347 Buttman is Jack Ryan, so no. Rent the DVD & listen to Tom Clancy's scathing commentary if you must watch.
Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:08

Thanks. Her next one is La-La Land. Anyone seen that?

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 08:16 PM (yJ1e6)

348
Has anyone seen "A Shock to the System" starring Michael Caine?

I thought it started slow, got good in the middle, because of great editing and juxtaposition, and I like Michael Caine.

I also marvel at 'V for Vendetta'. Several places where Hugo Weaving makes that mask emote. I swear they had different versions of the mask, and I know they did some great stuff with lighting.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 08:17 PM (4XCge)

349 347
Thanks. Her next one is La-La Land. Anyone seen that?
Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 08:16 PM (yJ1e6)

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I found it to be middling entertainment. Apparently I'm in the minority opinion, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:18 PM (Jj43a)

350 Karen Allen was also the mom in The Sandlot. One movie that my kids watched habitually.

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 08:18 PM (9mZIr)

351 Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 08:16 PM (yJ1e6)

I liked La La Land a lot but man did it have an ending that left you feeling melancholy.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 08:18 PM (2DOZq)

352 I also marvel at 'V for Vendetta'. Several places where Hugo Weaving makes that mask emote. I swear they had different versions of the mask, and I know they did some great stuff with lighting.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 08:17 PM (4XCge)

I got REALLY tired of the standard tropes. Right wing, religious hypocrite dystopia. Of course.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:19 PM (ycWCI)

353 Sterling Hayden is one of the real deals of Hollywood. He ran away to sea as a boy and became a ship's captain in short order. Fell into Hollywood, but at the start of WWII he joined OSS and ran dangerous commando missions.

True that he flirted with Communism.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 08:19 PM (pV/54)

354 337
The movie was made pre 9/11, and apparently the producers didn't consider Islamic terrorists to be credible villains. Apparently.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:10 PM (Jj43a)

I think you are wrong there. I think the reason they changed the villain then is the same reason they do it now: they do not want to offend the muslim community.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (ycWCI)

The terrorists in the novel were muslim, left wing radicals and a Native American activist. Good luck getting anyone to film that!

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:19 PM (ANIFC)

355 352
I got REALLY tired of the standard tropes. Right wing, religious hypocrite dystopia. Of course.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:19 PM (ycWCI)

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Alan Moore is a crochetty old man.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:20 PM (Jj43a)

356 I could take down that dirty ape with one of these!

https://tinyurl.com/y7et8tc4

Posted by: I am Grope, Guradian of the Senate at November 18, 2017 08:20 PM (EK6pT)

357 Speak up. I thought it was an awesome guy movie. It is what I think every guy wants to believe he could be even though the character is a criminal.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

I thought it was really good, but I also can watch mean girls over and over.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:20 PM (Ri/rl)

358 Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:19 PM

England prevails!

Dective Finch - murfflle

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 08:21 PM (4XCge)

359 The terrorists in the novel were muslim, left wing
radicals and a Native American activist. Good luck getting anyone to
film that!

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:19 PM (ANIFC)

So just like real life, then? Muzzies and leftards still going strong. War-pathing Indians seems to be thin on the ground these days.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (oPNmq)

360 311 One of the best contrasts between "real" objects and CGI is Tora Tora Tora vs Pearl Harbor. The latter is a pale imitation of the former. Other aviation greats using real aircraft: The Blue Max, 633 Squadron, and The Battle of Britain. CGI can't compete (yet).

Posted by: MichiCanuck at November 18, 2017 08:08 PM (u5xAT)

This an appropriate opportunity as any to say that I, as a kid, must have seen Top Gun at least 5 times in the theater. There. I said it. I'm a Tomcatsexual. If you'll excuse me, I'll be heading over to Deviant Art...

Anyway, I still appreciate the film for its incredible *real* photography of F-14s as well as practical missiles. Back in the 80's, animated missiles were all the rage (see: Airwolf).

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (5sQ8t)

361
remember Ann Wedgeworth?

She played a ditz on Three's Company, and then played a ditz on Burt Reynolds' Evening Shade.

She's mort.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (xRjiA)

362 I kind of question whether 60's era practical effects are better than CGI now. CGI has gotten insanely good. The problem is, its so good you just stop being impressed by anything.

When the train crashes into the river in The General, its awesome and shocking because, well it really happened. You knew it really happened. It was jawdropping.

Now when the hulk punches a 200 foot long bionic space monster you shrug because, well its just a cartoon. I think CGi has kid of ruined movies while its made some things possible that never could have been before.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (39g3+)

363 Has anyone mentioned the third boob?

3 boobs!

Posted by: clonefan at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (ctQVg)

364 The terrorists in the novel were muslim, left wing radicals and a Native American activist. Good luck getting anyone to film that!
Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:19 PM (ANIFC)

In general, Tom Clancey had a healthy appreciation for leftism in it's various incarnations, imo.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (ycWCI)

365 340 "Zulu is a great movie made in the early 1960s about the siege of Rorke's Drift in 1879."

It was the first big movie role for Michael Caine Ironically, the East End boy played the upper upper class officer.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (pV/54)

I remember seeing an interview with him where he said he didn't know what to do with his hands on screen (this being his first big role) so he just clasped them behind his back for most of the film. Which made him look very haughty & upper-class.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (ANIFC)

366 Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:20 PM (Ri/rl)

Great. I thought women may like it too like they liked John Wick.

I call Brawl in Cell Block 99 the Redneck John Wick.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (2DOZq)

367
Well, some might say "Seven Samurai", but nope, no other movie made called Magnificent Seven.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers? No?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society

Seven Ways From Sundown
Seven Days To Noon

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (IqV8l)

368 Yup...he was a jock and in great shape but I think he is only like 4'11" on a good day. Maybe 5'2" with boots on.

Robert Reich small.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 08:15 PM (nUkMr)

Oh no, my childhood crush is ruined. That's way too short.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (Ri/rl)

369 War-pathing Indians seems to be thin on the ground these days.

Pretty much just fake ones bused into North Dakota and deposited in D.C.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (qul7b)

370 My sister had the hots for Robert Conrad in Wild Wild West too. TV actor mostly. He refused to be in the 1999 big screen remake. He's still around, but doesn't seem to have done much work since the 90s.

I liked him in Black Sheep Squadron.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 08:14 PM (EzdLW)

He got in a very bad car accident in 2003 (he was drunk) and hit another car head on. He suffered bad nerve damage and is partially paralyzed. He looks awful. He hosts a weekly radio show now.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 08:23 PM (SiINZ)

371 362 I kind of question whether 60's era practical effects are better than CGI now. CGI has gotten insanely good. The problem is, its so good you just stop being impressed by anything.

When the train crashes into the river in The General, its awesome and shocking because, well it really happened. You knew it really happened. It was jawdropping.

Now when the hulk punches a 200 foot long bionic space monster you shrug because, well its just a cartoon. I think CGi has kid of ruined movies while its made some things possible that never could have been before.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (39g3+)

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It's about emotional impact.

I think the overuse of CGI is going to make practical effects more impressive by comparison.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:23 PM (Jj43a)

372 363 Has anyone mentioned the third boob?

3 boobs!
Posted by: clonefan at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (ctQVg)

I see four boobs!

Posted by: Captain Jean-Luc Picard at November 18, 2017 08:24 PM (ANIFC)

373 Vermithrax Pejorative

Posted by: MAGA at November 18, 2017 08:24 PM (LnOh3)

374 308 Disneys Mulan had some of the Seven Samurai humor.

and the tough guys sang!
Posted by: booknlass

Love that movie. Eddie Murphy as MuShu was the best animated comic sidekick since Baloo.

I do not like video games, which I assume is why I cannot care for anything with CGI.
The last truly great CGI moment? The Millenium Falcon and the jump to hyperspeed.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 08:24 PM (x3yKT)

375 Oops, lightspeed.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (x3yKT)

376 Christopher and TJM, yup.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (eMKNe)

377 360 311 One of the best contrasts between "real" objects and CGI is Tora Tora Tora vs Pearl Harbor. The latter is a pale imitation of the former. Other aviation greats using real aircraft: The Blue Max, 633 Squadron, and The Battle of Britain. CGI can't compete (yet).

Posted by: MichiCanuck at November 18, 2017 08:08 PM (u5xAT)

This an appropriate opportunity as any to say that I, as a kid, must have seen Top Gun at least 5 times in the theater. There. I said it. I'm a Tomcatsexual. If you'll excuse me, I'll be heading over to Deviant Art...

Anyway, I still appreciate the film for its incredible *real* photography of F-14s as well as practical missiles. Back in the 80's, animated missiles were all the rage (see: Airwolf).
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM (5sQ8t)

Final Countdown - F-14s vs Zeros.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (ANIFC)

378 I mean you look at the last prequel (almost all CGI) and the first of the new Abrams Star Wars movies (almost all practical effects).

The difference isn't the effects so much as the skill and ability of the director and cinematographers at creating the scene. The effects in the hands of a good and capable director can work with either. John Carpenter's Thing worked because it was John Carpenter. The best CGI in the world (which arguably, Lucas has at his disposal) isn't good in the hands of essentially a hack.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (39g3+)

379 He really did marry Anne Neville after killing her husband and father in law.
It was a bit more complicated than the play, but yeah he did it.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 08:15

Seriously? The play is historical fiction written during the Tudor era. RIII didn't kill either. They were both killed in battle in what was later named the "war of the Roses", but RIII himself didn't do it.

In fact it's likely he didn't kill the princes in the Tower. Henry Tudor overthrew an anointed king and made up all kinds of BS to justify it. The winner writes the history is very true.

Look into it, RII did many good things in his short reign. He's not the demon WS perpetuated.

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (yJ1e6)

380 Love that movie. Eddie Murphy as MuShu was the best animated comic sidekick since Baloo.

I do not like video games, which I assume is why I cannot care for anything with CGI.

The last truly great CGI moment? The Millenium Falcon and the jump to hyperspeed.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 08:24 PM (x3yKT)

Was MuShu a pig? Mu Shu pork is a chinese dish.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (oPNmq)

381 Bad guys sang?

Anyone here ever see "Paint Your Wagon"?

Clint Eastwood... sings! :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (eMKNe)

382

I see as many boobs as I want...

Posted by: Rockery Hudpeck at November 18, 2017 08:26 PM (qul7b)

383 381 Bad guys sang?

Anyone here ever see "Paint Your Wagon"?

Clint Eastwood... sings! :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (eMKNe)

And so does Lee Marvin!

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:26 PM (ANIFC)

384 Shopgirl, when all bow to Mulan at the end, I usually sob. it's that moving to me.

(I guess I like it too. heh.)

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 08:27 PM (9mZIr)

385 Yup...he was a jock and in great shape but I think he is only like 4'11" on a good day. Maybe 5'2" with boots on.

Robert Reich small.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 08:15 PM (nUkMr)

He did his own stunts on Wild Wild West and almost broke his neck swinging from a chandelier when it gave way on him.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 08:27 PM (SiINZ)

386 I think the overuse of CGI is going to make practical effects more impressive by comparison.

Maybe? But in the end the same images show up on the screen, and the audience doesn't know how. They don't really even care. Puppet King Kong vs CGI King Kong its still just the image of a monkey climbing the building on their screen.

But now that they are comfortable with and aware of what CGI can do, the jaw dropping wonder of it all is kind of lost. Yeah, they made the impossible. Again. Kinda cool.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:27 PM (39g3+)

387 I think Mu Shu is a little cricket. isn't he, Shopgirl?

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 08:28 PM (9mZIr)

388 Just about to watch "Don't Look Now."

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:28 PM (ANIFC)

389 Josephine Tey wrote The Daughter of Time which takes apart the history around Richard III, it's very good.

Posted by: Lirio100 at November 18, 2017 08:28 PM (JK7Jw)

390 Nolan is a Kubrick fanboi, and 2001 is his favorite flick.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 08:29 PM (pV/54)

391 Fantastic Voyage is on Family HBO later, as a kid thought ghat movie was amazing

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 08:29 PM (aC6Sd)

392 But now that they are comfortable with and aware of what CGI can do, the jaw dropping wonder of it all is kind of lost. Yeah, they made the impossible. Again. Kinda cool.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:27 PM (39g3+)

But then it always comes back to story and how the characters and shots are presented.

Lucas failed in the prequels because he is a shitty director and writes horrific dialogue, so that even if the characters were not acting in front of a green screen would make them sound like cardboard cut outs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:29 PM (ycWCI)

393 I also marvel at 'V for Vendetta'. Several places where Hugo Weaving makes that mask emote. I swear they had different versions of the mask, and I know they did some great stuff with lighting.

Yeah Hugo Weaving did amazing stuff without ever showing his face. Look at how he was able to work with the Red Skull. That's talent. Spider-Man the kid keeps having to get that mask pulled off because, well he needs his face on display to act. Plus, ego.

Ditko would hate that, if he ever watched the movies. The mask was part of his objectivist concepts (as mocked somewhat in Watchmen). The mask lets him be pure and untouchble, it makes him a symbol. Pulling the mask off makes him just Peter Parker.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:30 PM (39g3+)

394 Kurosawa did amazing live action fight and battle scenes. Shot real arrows at Toshiru Mifune

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 08:30 PM (pV/54)

395 thanks Lirio100! I'll check out The Daughter of Time. I'm looking for my next book...

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 08:30 PM (9mZIr)

396 Did Ralph Bakshi ever make a movie, animated or otherwise, that was (a) any good and (b) wasn't rated hard-R?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 07:46 PM

The Hobbit.

Don't know how good it was.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 08:30 PM (8gDQu)

397 I kind of question whether 60's era practical effects are better than CGI now. CGI has gotten insanely good. The problem is, its so good you just stop being impressed by anything.

When the train crashes into the river in The General, its awesome and shocking because, well it really happened. You knew it really happened. It was jawdropping.

Now when the hulk punches a 200 foot long bionic space monster you shrug because, well its just a cartoon. I think CGi has kid of ruined movies while its made some things possible that never could have been before.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:22 PM

One of the problems I have with cgi, is that despite some of it actually looking very good, more often than not, the directors/producers don't know the meaning of restraint. I mean the way something is shot, framed, the angles etc. It defeats the realistic looking cgi if what you're showing could not possibly have been done with practical fx, stunts etc. It's hard to explain... but without the constraint of a shot that needs to look like a human eye/camera could witness, it still looks fake.

Posted by: otho at November 18, 2017 08:31 PM (qGuLD)

398 Time Bandits

Posted by: MAGA at November 18, 2017 08:31 PM (mQNSi)

399 Lucas failed in the prequels because he is a shitty director and writes horrific dialogue, so that even if the characters were not acting in front of a green screen would make them sound like cardboard cut outs.

Yeah it doesn't really matter what tools Lucas used. He's a great idea guy, a visionary, but he's not any good as a director or writer. Get him to bring you the plot concept, the setting, and you can have something great. Just don't let him do any more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (39g3+)

400 He did his own stunts on Wild Wild West and almost broke his neck swinging from a chandelier when it gave way on him.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 08:27 PM (SiINZ)

I didn't know that, that's cool he did his own stunts. I still had no idea I'm one half foot taller than he is at least.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (Ri/rl)

401 "Fantastic Voyage is on Family HBO later, as a kid thought ghat movie was amazing"

I was young. Raquel Welch made me feel funny.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (pV/54)

402 Since we are talking about special effects.

What about Star Trek the original TV Series.

Cheesy as hell. Low budget, but, damn, it was fun to watch.

Even when you got tired of constant transporter malfunctions.

For that matter, the special effects on Dr. Who are pretty lame, low budget. I mean, look at the daleks.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (4XCge)

403 I don't know if he was in any movies but I always thought Robert Conrad was super hot. Wild Wild West.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:04 PM (Ri/rl)

++++

Just browsing through his IMDB; he has done a *lot* of TV. It used to be the case they kept it more separate, TV people did TV and movie people did movies. But, he did play the lead in The Lady in Red: John Dillinger.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 18, 2017 08:33 PM (FUu/Z)

404
391 Fantastic Voyage is on Family HBO later, as a kid thought ghat movie was amazing
Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 08:29 PM (aC6Sd)

Absolutely.

Raquel Welch in a skintight wetsuit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 08:33 PM (eXA4G)

405

UNCLOG PIPES! UNCLOG PIPES!

Posted by: Dalek Plumbers at November 18, 2017 08:33 PM (qul7b)

406 Robert Conrad is 5ft 8in tall

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2017 08:34 PM (IqV8l)

407 I didn't know that, that's cool he did his own stunts. I still had no idea I'm one half foot taller than he is at least.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (Ri/rl)

He's 5'7", per the interwebs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:34 PM (ycWCI)

408

Yeah, Robert Conrad isn't a midget. He's just short.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:35 PM (xRjiA)

409 "Fantastic Voyage is on Family HBO later, as a kid thought ghat movie was amazing"

-----

Now there's a movie I would like to see redone with modern special effects. We know a lot more about the microscopic world of the human anatomy now then back then.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:35 PM (ANIFC)

410
Matt Damon is a shrimp who seems to get taller and taller in each movie.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:35 PM (xRjiA)

411 In regard to the idea of movies and TV being completely CGI --

Howard Chaykin predicted this in his groundbreaking 1980s comic book, "American Flagg!" The lead character was a former actor who had been fired from his hit series because the production team had collected enough images of him to keep the show going without him. He became a government law enforcement officer.

This description does not do justice to the comic. Try to find back issues.

And you don't screw with the Plex.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 18, 2017 08:35 PM (VQjk/)

412 5'8", 5'7"........keep going......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 08:35 PM (nUkMr)

413 I agree about the weightless feel of CGI characters. They've never yet quite gotten the feel right. You can kind of feel that they aren't really there, and I'm not sure why or how. The smaller the CGI the better it tends to work (like The Hulk). But really big stuff just looks like a picture. It doesn't interact with its surroundings quite right.

I think some of that comes from the fact that the guy "directing" the CGI isn't the guy directing the film. He's not filming the same thing as the real director no matter how much the real director is involved. he's rendering what the director has in his mind.

The better the director, the more plausible the effect will be, but ultimately there's a gap between the two. And you can usually sort of feel it, even if you don't consciously know why. And if its not really well done (Fant4stic) then it just looks bad. Expensively bad.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:35 PM (39g3+)

414 Even when you got tired of constant transporter malfunctions.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (4XCge)

The malfunctions were nothing. It was the way they fixed them that was so great .... just keep pushing the sliders up and down.

One thing about the original Star Trek that was pretty funny was that no one really had any expertise in anything. It was just who held the lease on the equipment was "the expert". But no one, at any point in that whole series, ever exhibited any actual knowledge of anything, save Spock. If Bones was out, for whatever reason, anyone else could pick up the tricorder and do the same stuff he did. Spock was even better than Bones at futzing with the tricorder.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 08:35 PM (8gDQu)

415
They say the guy who played Bane (?) is short, but he's not that short.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:36 PM (xRjiA)

416 I'm thinking about Jeff Bridges now b/c of Starman. Do any of the women remember that scene in Baker Boys with Michelle Pfeifer? I always thought it was so sexy. The men wouldn't like it, but women usually do.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:36 PM (7UCSd)

417 Speaking of King Kong-

In the latest iteration "Kong", they've seemed to solve the weight/gravity/momentum/inertia problems of CGI.

For me anyway, Kong and the various critters looked absolutely real on the screen.

They appeared to have real mass appropriate for their size. Pretty amazing.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2017 08:37 PM (9q7Dl)

418 Every time CGI comes up I sing the same song and its pointless because nobody who can do it is listening but... The Crichton book "Looker" was made into a pretty fun movie in the 80's but really needs to be redone today. The themes are even more powerful now than they were in the past. Actors getting so expensive that they use CGI copies then kill the originals. No one to pay, you see.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:37 PM (39g3+)

419 Do any of the women remember that scene in Baker Boys with Michelle Pfeifer? I always thought it was so sexy. The men wouldn't like it, but women usually do.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:36 PM (7UCSd)

Men tend to like any scenes with Michelle Pfeiffer in them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 08:38 PM (8gDQu)

420 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 08:35 PM (8gDQu)

lol
This was true. And poor Scotty, he always had to deliver the same lines. Every show. Cracks me up how little original dialogue he had.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:38 PM (7UCSd)

421 For that matter, the special effects on Dr. Who are pretty lame, low budget. I mean, look at the daleks.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (4XCge)

The Daleks were pretty scary, for being animated trash cans that couldn't climb stairs.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 08:38 PM (oPNmq)

422 I didn't know that, that's cool he did his own stunts. I still had no idea I'm one half foot taller than he is at least.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (Ri/rl)

He insisted on doing his stunts which gave the studio fits. He fought Red West (of Elvis fame) a lot in Seasons 3 and 4. West played the hired thug of the bad guys it seemed like every other episode

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 08:39 PM (SiINZ)

423 lol
This was true. And poor Scotty, he always had to deliver the same lines. Every show. Cracks me up how little original dialogue he had.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:38 PM (7UCSd)

In Roddenberry's ideal vision Scotty drank a lot more.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 08:40 PM (8gDQu)

424 Men tend to like any scenes with Michelle Pfeiffer in them.

LOL
I didn't think about that. I was thinking it moves really slow, and it's not porn and there's no nudity. So ya know, disappointing...for men.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:40 PM (7UCSd)

425 377 Final Countdown - F-14s vs Zeros.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (ANIFC)

I'm aware of it (mainly from the F-14 sendoff video set to "Teenage Wasteland" from years ago) but have never seen it. Is it a decent enough movie to procure?

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 08:41 PM (5sQ8t)

426 Since we are talking about special effects.

What about Star Trek the original TV Series.

Cheesy as hell. Low budget, but, damn, it was fun to watch.

Even when you got tired of constant transporter malfunctions.

For that matter, the special effects on Dr. Who are pretty lame, low budget. I mean, look at the daleks.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (4XCge)

I'd rather have the terrific escapism and imagination of the original Trek and Dr. Who (up until Tom Baker left) than all of the tedious sci-fi that's just trying to impress with special effects

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 08:41 PM (SiINZ)

427 Fantastic Voyage is on Family HBO later, as a kid thought ghat movie was amazing
Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 08:29 PM (aC6Sd)

Yes, Raquel Welch was amazing. The movie was ok, too.

I would like to have seen what Michael Crichton could've done with that story.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 08:41 PM (EzdLW)

428 I liked Scotty though. He didn't have much to work with, got little screen time, and had to repeat his basic lines a lot, but he always made it interesting and always sold it. There's a reason people remember and like him, despite Shatner doing his best to keep him off the screen. Shat was very jealous of his screen time, let's say.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:42 PM (39g3+)

429 LOL
I didn't think about that. I was thinking it moves really slow, and it's not porn and there's no nudity. So ya know, disappointing...for men.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:40 PM (7UCSd)

I still think one of the most sexually charged scenes I can think of is the one between Cary Grant and Eva Marie Saint on the train in North by Northwest.

Smouldery.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:42 PM (ycWCI)

430
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:32 PM (Ri/rl)

He's 5'7", per the interwebs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:34 PM (ycWCI)

I'm 5'7" so that makes me feel better. 5 feet is way too short.

They also lie about how tall they are. Arnold Schwarzenegger says he's 6 feet tall but I've met him and I think he's closer to 5'9 or 5'10".

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 18, 2017 08:43 PM (Ri/rl)

431 MuShu is a tiny dragon that was one of the Fa family ancestor/gods.

The Josephine Tey book on Richard III is terrific . One of the greatest mysteries written. Total vindication.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 08:43 PM (x3yKT)

432 I'm aware of it (mainly from the F-14 sendoff video set to "Teenage Wasteland" from years ago) but have never seen it. Is it a decent enough movie to procure?
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 08:41 PM (5sQ8t)

Re: Final Countdown. It is on Amazon Prime for free at the moment, if I am not mistaken.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:44 PM (ycWCI)

433 Yeah they all lie. If he's 5'7 he's probably 5'4. Almost all those actors are dinky with big heads. It looks good on screen.

A few of them are genuinely huge, though. Dolph Lundgren is enormous.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:44 PM (39g3+)

434 A few of them are genuinely huge, though. Dolph Lundgren is enormous.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:44 PM (39g3+)

I thought that was just locker room talk...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:45 PM (ycWCI)

435 There's a bit in a Plinkett review of either the Trek reboot or one of the Star Wars prequels where he compares a similar shot in each - the set and action don't do anything, it's just character dialogue. The Star Wars version is placed in some city square somewhere, all CGI. The Trek version is filmed on a set in an industrial building (a brewery, I think), dressed up to look like a starship.
Even though the background is unimportant in moving the plot forward, you intuitively notice real people moving around in the background in the Trek version; the Star Wars version with two actors in a Chromakey booth and about twelve Mos Eisley Cantinas worth of aliens looks fake as balls. Even if you don't consciously notice it, once it's pointed out, the difference is glaring.
And even with otherwise unreal effects, you can see the difference when there's some reality the actors are working with. In A New Hope, Alec Guinness isn't really edging around a chasm to nowhere to deactivate the tractor beam, it's just a matte painting. It looks compelling, in part, because of that 14" or whatever that he really is from the studio floor.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 08:45 PM (y87Qq)

436 They say the guy who played Bane (?) is short, but he's not that short.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:36 PM (xRjiA)

Nobody cared who I was until I stood on the box.

Posted by: Bane at November 18, 2017 08:45 PM (rnAwa)

437 Edward may have been killed in battle but was probably put to death after the battle was over. Whether or not Richard personally killed him, who knows? His brother would have given the order and Richard was there and may have had a hand in it. Henry VI was murdered in the Tower.We know Richard went straight to London after Tewksbury and there is strong evidence he went to the Tower the night Henry died. He probably didn't do the deed personally but he over saw it.

The princes went into the Tower under their uncle Richard's protection and were never seen again. Even when it would have been greatly to Richard;s advantage to produce them, he never did. Because he couldn't.

The situation with Anne Neville was complicated because her and Richard had grown up together. It is very likely she would have preferred to marry Richard all along, But she was given in marriage to Edward to cement a political alliance. After he was dead marrying her old friend from childhood who was a;so a prince of the blood probably didn't seem like a bad deal.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 08:45 PM (3DZIZ)

438 425 377 Final Countdown - F-14s vs Zeros.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (ANIFC)

I'm aware of it (mainly from the F-14 sendoff video set to "Teenage Wasteland" from years ago) but have never seen it. Is it a decent enough movie to procure?
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 08:41 PM (5sQ8t)

I like time travel stories - some people hate them, YMMV. But F-14s vs Zeros!

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:45 PM (ANIFC)

439 Watching "Cell" on cable currently-

Seems to have the strengths and weaknesses of the Stphen King novel.

Strong beginning then.....me...an...

...............de.......

......r.....s.....

I guess i'll stick with it.

But probably a non-ending ending as i the King novel.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2017 08:46 PM (9q7Dl)

440 428 I liked Scotty though. He didn't have much to work with, got little screen time, and had to repeat his basic lines a lot, but he always made it interesting and always sold it. There's a reason people remember and like him, despite Shatner doing his best to keep him off the screen. Shat was very jealous of his screen time, let's say.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:42 PM (39g3+)

Yeah, more Scotty! When he was given more room to stretch out, like when he got infested and killed that ho, and had to stand trial and all, he was awesome.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 08:46 PM (Vb4BV)

441 Years ago I was walking on Fifth Avenue, and passed a guy, and said to myself, "He looks just like Al Pacino, but really, really short." Like 5'1" short.

Was next to Al Franken in an airplane aisle. He's 5'5" in heels.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 08:46 PM (pV/54)

442 Wife and I just got back from seeing "Justice League" and in what may be a controversial opinion, we both enjoyed it more than "Thor: Ragnorok".

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 18, 2017 08:46 PM (6n332)

443 The Daleks were pretty scary, for being animated trash cans that couldn't climb stairs.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 08:38 PM

Co-sign. Did you see the series-origin film from a few years ago? Great backstory, and the actor who played the first Doctor is returning to play the same in the Christmas special.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 08:46 PM (x3yKT)

444 Final Countdown - F-14s vs Zeros.

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:25 PM (ANIFC)

I'm aware of it (mainly from the F-14 sendoff video set to "Teenage Wasteland" from years ago) but have never seen it. Is it a decent enough movie to procure?

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 08:41 PM (5sQ8t)

Get it. It is a fun movie even though it stars Martin Sheen.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 08:47 PM (T71PA)

445 josephistan, forgot about that! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 08:47 PM (eMKNe)

446 432 Re: Final Countdown. It is on Amazon Prime for free at the moment, if I am not mistaken.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:44 PM (ycWCI)

No thanks. I hate that song.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 08:47 PM (Vb4BV)

447
Speaking of short actors.....

Recently rewatched both Casablanca and Notorious. Both Bogie and Claude Raines were shrimps. In Casablanca, Curtiz did a fantastic job of making you forget that, even when they were standing near Ingrid Bergman, who was EXTREMELY tall for a woman of that time. Even compared to modern women, she's on the tall side.

On the other hand, in some scenes in Notorious, she looks like Lurch in a dress, and Raines looks like a tiny, tiny little monkey man. Not to mention that Hitchcock was kind of careless about showing her walking around in the extremely thin flats she was wearing to disguise the fact that she was gargantuan.

Despite all that, I still think Bergman was the most beautiful woman ever to walk in front of the camera. Even with the amazonian physique, the big, bulbuous nose and the overbite. A perfect symmetry of flaws.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 08:47 PM (eXA4G)

448 The Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot film has really good non-CGI sfx. And boobs.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 08:48 PM (EzdLW)

449 Conrad was on an episode of "Colombo" back in the day as a gym owner out for murder.

Colombo looked huge compared to him. Peter Faulk was 5'6" and her lied about that so sure.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 08:48 PM (nUkMr)

450 The Incredibles are coming.

https://youtu.be/ZJDMWVZta3M

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 08:48 PM (cAnNx)

451 Yeah whatever sort of person Richard was, those boys definitely died under his protection. Whether it was one of those "will no one rid me of this troublesome pair of princes" things or not, that was on him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:48 PM (39g3+)

452 One of my favorites, which I linked in another context about a week ago and got yelled at because someone thought the word 'bastard' was NSFW, is the crash scene from Runaway Train.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WszE4_hGZpk

That has to have been done for real except for the guy jumping from the caboose which would have been done separately from the crash scene.

Now I suppose somebody will show me how it was faked and ruin it.

Posted by: geoffb at November 18, 2017 08:48 PM (zOpu5)

453 I'd rather have the terrific escapism and imagination of the original Trek and Dr. Who (up until Tom Baker left) than all of the tedious sci-fi that's just trying to impress with special effects
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 08:41 PM (SiINZ)

Agreed. And I was surprised how scary those Daleks were. I think that sex, special effects and razzle dazzle have replaced script writing. They feel so empty of content somehow. And as someone not into Superheros & Comic Books, there's not a lot to watch for me. Maybe I've just become a curmudgeon and don't realize it yet.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:49 PM (7UCSd)

454 432 Re: Final Countdown. It is on Amazon Prime for free at the moment, if I am not mistaken.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:44 PM (ycWCI)

438 I like time travel stories - some people hate them, YMMV. But F-14s vs Zeros!

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 08:45 PM (ANIFC)

I'll check into whether or not my Amazon membership will let me see it. I don't mind time travel stories if done in an interesting way. Thank you, both!

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 08:49 PM (5sQ8t)

455 443 The Daleks were pretty scary, for being animated trash cans that couldn't climb stairs.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 08:38 PM

Co-sign. Did you see the series-origin film from a few years ago? Great backstory, and the actor who played the first Doctor is returning to play the same in the Christmas special.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 08:46 PM (x3yKT)

And then it will go to hell with the woman Doctor.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 08:49 PM (cAnNx)

456 I thought many of the non-CGI effects in LOTR helped the movies visually: the giant statues they pass on the river, most of Minas Tirith, etc. I suppose they could have created computer images but Jackson went with models and careful close-up photography.

I've always been amazed at how effective (no pun intended) the skeleton scene was in 'Jason and the Argonauts'. But I have a soft spot for Harryhausen.

But CGI isn't always bad. I really enjoyed 'Sky Captain'. It reminded me of those Superman cartoons from the early 1940s and the producers achieved that look and atmosphere. It was deliberately and delightfully over the top. If they had gone without CGI, it probably would have looked like the Flash Gordon Saturday serials and about as realistic.

Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2017 08:49 PM (V+03K)

457 Some really good early special effects are in H. Hughes "Hell's Angles", especially the bombing scenes. Worst kissing scene in all of moviedom though.

Posted by: Javems at November 18, 2017 08:49 PM (yOqwj)

458 394 Kurosawa did amazing live action fight and battle scenes. Shot real arrows at Toshiru Mifune
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 08:30 PM (pV/54)

And Mifune pulled them out and shot them right back.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 08:50 PM (x3yKT)

459 DNC Reunion photo.

http://neveryetmelted.com/ wp-content/uploads/2017/11/DemocratMolesters.jpg

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2017 08:50 PM (tbOMB)

460 450 The Incredibles are coming.
https://youtu.be/ZJDMWVZta3M
Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 08:48 PM (cAnNx)

I'd be excited, but I didn't see the words "Brad Bird" anywhere.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 08:51 PM (Vb4BV)

461 Both Bogie and Claude Raines were shrimps.

Yeah they were both pretty small guys, small in height and slender. But Bogie had enormous presence, he really was big on screen. Raines. Its so sad about him. I mean he got a lot of work but he should have been a big time screen star, so talented and charismatic, and I thought a handsome guy. But he was dinky. It just wouldn't work for the guy to be on a box while she is in a trench ever scene.

Ingrid Bergman and Grace Kelly are the most beautiful women who have ever lived, in my book. The kind that would, actually, make me walk into a telephone pole or crash a care.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:51 PM (39g3+)

462 Worst kissing scene in all of moviedom though.
Posted by: Javems

I'm available if anyone wants to rehearse.

Posted by: Al Franken at November 18, 2017 08:51 PM (5wCUq)

463 I'll check into whether or not my Amazon membership will let me see it. I don't mind time travel stories if done in an interesting way. Thank you, both!

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 18, 2017 08:49 PM (5sQ8t)

The Final Countdown is definitely worth watching. It has a bit of a feel of a made-for-TV movie, but it's a good, fun film. Kirk Douglas does a great job, which more than makes up for how annoying Martin Sheen is.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 08:51 PM (8gDQu)

464 I never said that CGI swear bad, I just think that if there's any chance to do an effect with practical and physical means, it'll probably be more convincing than a CGI variant of the same thing.

CGI like anything else, is just a tool. It can be used well or not well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:52 PM (Jj43a)

465 Years ago I was walking on Fifth Avenue, and passed a guy, and said to myself, "He looks just like Al Pacino, but really, really short." Like 5'1" short.

Was next to Al Franken in an airplane aisle. He's 5'5" in heels
.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 08:46 PM (pV/54)

A couple of years ago, I'm crossing Michigan Ave. and coming the opposite is a very short guy who looked like he had ricketts and a black woman had her arm under his. My thought was if she lets go that guy will fall. As he passes I'm thinking, I know that face. Once I crossed the street, I went, that was George Lucas. His wife is from Chicago. But by the time it dawned on my who it was they had gone into a store

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2017 08:52 PM (SiINZ)

466 Alec Guinness isn't really edging around a chasm to nowhere to deactivate the tractor beam, it's just a matte painting. It looks compelling, in part, because of that 14" or whatever that he really is from the studio floor.

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In the movie 'Salt', Angelina Jolie is on the outside of a tall building, moving from window to window. You know she is on a wire, and can't fall. It spoils the magic to know how the trick is done.

In 'Quigley Down Under' Laura San Glacomo does a face plant (fainting from heat exhaustion) that is just perfectly done. Then Tom Selleck wearily turns around to pick her up, and it looks real. It is a very well done scene.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 08:52 PM (4XCge)

467 Ingrid Bergman and Grace Kelly are the most beautiful women who have ever lived, in my book. The kind that would, actually, make me walk into a telephone pole or crash a care.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Maureen O'Hara back in the day could've stole my soul any time.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 08:52 PM (5wCUq)

468 460 450 The Incredibles are coming.
https://youtu.be/ZJDMWVZta3M
Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 08:48 PM (cAnNx)

I'd be excited, but I didn't see the words "Brad Bird" anywhere.
Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 08:51 PM (Vb4BV)

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He's in charge, don't worry.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:53 PM (Jj43a)

469 Ingrid Bergman and Grace Kelly are the most beautiful women who have ever lived, in my book. The kind that would, actually, make me walk into a telephone pole or crash a care.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:51 PM (39g3+)

Got to watch out for those cares. They are murder.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:53 PM (ycWCI)

470 Co-sign. Did you see the series-origin film from a
few years ago? Great backstory, and the actor who played the first
Doctor is returning to play the same in the Christmas special.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 08:46 PM (x3yKT)

No, never saw that. I have seen a few episodes of Dr. Who, mostly with Tom Baker. I always thought he played the role sort of tongue-in-cheek, like he was sharing a big joke with the audience, "look, we all know this is bullshit, but let's play along for the giggles."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 08:53 PM (oPNmq)

471 464 I never said that CGI swear bad, I just think that if there's any chance to do an effect with practical and physical means, it'll probably be more convincing than a CGI variant of the same thing.
CGI like anything else, is just a tool. It can be used well or not well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:52 PM (Jj43a)

I agree with that, and I'd actually go further. Even if the physical form is less convincing, I find it easier to suspend disbelief and just enjoy the movie in the face of a physical effect with flaws, than I do in the face of a fakey-looking CGI; even an almost there but not quite CGI.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 08:54 PM (Vb4BV)

472 The current IMAX format is the re-invention of 70mm. Nolan is the biggest fan of course.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 18, 2017 08:54 PM (rnAwa)

473 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 08:47 PM (eXA4G)

Ingrid Bergman was only 5' 9". My mom is that tall and yeah, it's tall, but it's not Valkyrie-tall. Come on.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 08:54 PM (qJtVm)

474 460 450 The Incredibles are coming.
https://youtu.be/ZJDMWVZta3M
Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 08:48 PM (cAnNx)

I'd be excited, but I didn't see the words "Brad Bird" anywhere.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 08:51 PM (Vb4BV)

Wikipedia says its directed and written by him.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 18, 2017 08:54 PM (cAnNx)

475 I think the CGI in Sky Captain worked because it was sold well, and processed well. Stuff like that and 300 work because its part of the whole unreal but convincing feel of the entire film. Nearly all of 300 was CGI but who cares?

But I agree with JTB. The 'big-atures' that Weta made for Lord of the Rings made it work better than CGI would have. They filmed right, they lighted right, they felt real and like they had weight. Weta is amazing. Unfortunately their brilliant and subtle use of color, lighting and focus in post production made things obnoxious under less talented directors. Now its super-overused.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (39g3+)

476 The F-14 vs Zero sequence has a shot where one of the Tomcats really almost flames out and crashes - high α at low airspeed? Something like that.

Apparently the TF30 engine was a bag of hammered ass.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (y87Qq)

477 And, if you like The Final Countdown then you should see The Philadelphia Experiment, too. Both of those movies have very much of the same sort of feel to them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (8gDQu)

478 The Incredibles are coming.

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Well, I am breathing fast

Posted by: Mr. Incredible at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (ANIFC)

479 Maureen O'Hara back in the day could've stole my soul any time.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 08:52 PM (5wCUq)

Audrey Hepburn.
Natalie Wood.

This little lady:
http://tinyurl.com/y7xe4tub

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (ycWCI)

480 I still think one of the most sexually charged scenes I can think of is the one between Cary Grant and Eva Marie Saint on the train in North by Northwest.

Smouldery.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:42 PM (ycWCI)

Ya know, I think I kinda remember that. Had an "oh my" reaction b/c seemed racy for an old film. But Eva also seemed like an ice princess to me, so not one of my fav old time actors.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (7UCSd)

481 471 ; even an almost there but not quite CGI.
Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 08:54 PM (Vb4BV)

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Like Tarkin 2.0.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (Jj43a)

482 468 He's in charge, don't worry.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:53 PM (Jj43a)

Oh good. If I had made the teaser trailer, there would have been a frame, visible for at least 3 seconds, dominated by his name.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (Vb4BV)

483 384 Shopgirl, when all bow to Mulan at the end, I usually sob. its that moving to me.

(I guess I like it too. heh.)
Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 08:27 PM (9mZIr)

My little girl. All grown up and saving China! sniff

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 08:56 PM (x3yKT)

484 Guardians of the Galaxy has one the best CGI production ever. I never was taken out of the movie because of it.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 08:56 PM (2DOZq)

485 Ingrid Bergman was only 5' 9". My mom is that tall and yeah, it's tall, but it's not Valkyrie-tall. Come on.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 08:54 PM (qJtVm)

Ahhhhh...there's the rub.If she said 5'9" then she is 6'2".

It's the opposite for gals, especially back in the day. Tall woman were not in demand.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 08:56 PM (nUkMr)

486
Ingrid Bergman and Grace Kelly are the most beautiful women who have ever lived, in my book. The kind that would, actually, make me walk into a telephone pole or crash a care.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Ava Gardner

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 18, 2017 08:56 PM (pNxlR)

487
5'9" is HUGE for a woman.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:57 PM (xRjiA)

488 482 468 He's in charge, don't worry.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:53 PM (Jj43a)

Oh good. If I had made the teaser trailer, there would have been a frame, visible for at least 3 seconds, dominated by his name.
Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (Vb4BV)

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Not many director names sell many tickets.

Nolan's does, I think, but that's about it in terms of big budget stuff.

Smaller pictures are different, of course.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:57 PM (Jj43a)

489 Ya know, I think I kinda remember that. Had an "oh my" reaction b/c seemed racy for an old film. But Eva also seemed like an ice princess to me, so not one of my fav old time actors.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:55 PM (7UCSd)

Yeah, she definitely seemed like the kind of lady where, after a night on the town you would wake up in a vat of ice wondering about your kidneys, but that scene is good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:57 PM (ycWCI)

490 5'9" is HUGE for a woman.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:57 PM (xRjiA)

Not at all.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 08:57 PM (8gDQu)

491
Yes at all.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:58 PM (xRjiA)

492 Yeah they always under list women in hollywood, because 6'1 is scary but 5'9 is statuesque.

Elizabeth Taylor never did anything for me. She just doesn't feel right to me. I think its the time period, that late 50s early 60s bullet bra era just felt unfeminine and unattractive.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:58 PM (39g3+)

493 Natalie Wood had the sexiest character ever IMO in This Property Is Condemned.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 08:58 PM (2DOZq)

494 490 5'9" is HUGE for a woman.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:57 PM (xRjiA)

Not at all.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 08:57 PM (8gDQu)

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Dolley is 5'11.

5'9 send small to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:58 PM (Jj43a)

495 Are you saying my mother is huge?!?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 08:58 PM (qJtVm)

496 Guardians of the Galaxy has one the best CGI production ever. I never was taken out of the movie because of it.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 08:56 PM (2DOZq)

I just got done watching both again today. Reminds me of how good the Star Wars could have been, but weren't.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2017 08:59 PM (tbOMB)

497

Dolley who?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:59 PM (xRjiA)

498 Sky Captain was a surprisingly good movie, but I think it was because the actors were good enough that you bought the story. With all the CGI, if there were lesser skilled actors, it would have been a joke.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 08:59 PM (7UCSd)

499
Dolly Madison??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:59 PM (xRjiA)

500 497

Dolley who?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 18, 2017 08:59 PM (xRjiA)

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Mrs TJM.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 08:59 PM (Jj43a)

501
Dolley is 5'11.
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That is a BIG sheep.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 08:59 PM (qJtVm)

502 Robert Conrad might've been a jock, but he couldn't outrun Gabe Kaplan in Battle of the Network Stars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqWU9huMMco

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 09:00 PM (EzdLW)

503 I thought 5'9" was the minimum for runway models.

It's what gay guys think is the ideal.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:00 PM (pV/54)

504 "Hah, gosh, 5'9" is not tall at all for a woman! That's practically tiny!"

:: is a 5'9" dude ::

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 09:00 PM (y87Qq)

505 both girls I dated were 5'3 or shorter. A taller girl would have been a nice change. They hit me about mid sternum.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:00 PM (39g3+)

506
473 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 08:47 PM (eXA4G)

Ingrid Bergman was only 5' 9". My mom is that tall and yeah, it's tall, but it's not Valkyrie-tall. Come on.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 08:54 PM (qJtVm)

Except that the average MAN in the 1940s was only around 5'6" or 5'7".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 09:00 PM (eXA4G)

507 http://tinyurl.com/yb32uzbs

Rita Hayworth

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:00 PM (ycWCI)

508 Speaking of sexy, I would have loved to have seen the Entwives in LOTR

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at November 18, 2017 09:01 PM (ANIFC)

509 Guardians, both of them, were so character-centered that the ridiculous plots and silly goings on still worked okay. Plus, Pratt is a really genuinely likeable guy. He has a nice Harrison Ford vibe, just the kind of guy you like to watch in whatever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:01 PM (39g3+)

510 :: is a 5'9" dude ::

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 09:00 PM (y87Qq)
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My dad was 5' 9"! Bagged him a big blonde beauty!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 09:01 PM (qJtVm)

511 It is funny to see Nicole Kidman with her men. Apparently she likes short guys.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (2DOZq)

512 Ahhhhh...there's the rub.If she said 5'9" then she is 6'2".
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

I once had a class with a girl who was a legit Amazon, at least 6'2" and attractive. It would've been nice to get together with her and have pro football players for sons, but do I really want kids who can kick my ass by the time they're 12?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (5wCUq)

513 Speaking of sexy, I would have loved to have seen the Entwives in LOTR
Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at November 18, 2017 09:01 PM (ANIFC)

I AM Groot.

Posted by: Groot at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (tbOMB)

514 Speaking of sexy, I would have loved to have seen the Entwives in LOTR
Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at November 18, 2017 09:01 PM (ANIFC)

So...

hrmmm...

...would...

the Entsss...

Posted by: Morning Wood at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (y87Qq)

515 Oh Christopher!

Elizabeth Taylor in "The Taming of a Shrew" with Richard Burton was great. That girl can throw a temper tantrum.

Taylor/Burton in "Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf" was also great acting, but I got nothing out of it. Very confusing.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (4XCge)

516 508 Speaking of sexy, I would have loved to have seen the Entwives in LOTR
Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at November 18, 2017 09:01 PM (ANIFC)

Ok, that was funny.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (Vb4BV)

517 Robert Conrad might've been a jock, but he couldn't outrun Gabe Kaplan in Battle of the Network Stars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqWU9huMMco
Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 09:00 PM (EzdLW)

Robert is 4'11", Gabe is 6 feet. One of Gabe's strides equal 3 of tiny Robert's.

No contest.

But put them in a boxing ring and look out! Duck Gabe!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (nUkMr)

518 Speaking of sexy, I would have loved to have seen the Entwives in LOTR

Don't worry Harvey, they'll probably show up in the Amazon show, naked and looking like Poison Ivy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (39g3+)

519 Signing in on tablet.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (mJ8mX)

520 Someone else mentioned Ava Gardner, what a beauty she was back in the day.

True she was good-looking, but from what I've read she wasn't a very good, or nice, person. Two abortions (because they were bad for her career), and she was an atheist who hated religion, because of a bad experience she had with *one* priest growing up. And of course she was a Dem.

Read her wiki profile. She comes off as rather cold to me.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:03 PM (eMKNe)

521 Elizabeth Taylor never did anything for me. She just doesn't feel right to me. I think its the time period, that late 50s early 60s bullet bra era just felt unfeminine and unattractive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:58 PM (39g3+)

No, she does not do much for me outside of those photos, but she is absolutely stunning in those photos.

Photography and film are sanitizing mediums. They have a tendency to drain the life from the images. It takes a rare person to be able to convey life and emotion through those mediums. Kate Upton has that, just as an example.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:04 PM (ycWCI)

522
For me, the greatest actress, and by that I mean the whole star package, the glam, the glitz, the class, etc, is Audrey Hepburn.

For the actors, it's a tie between Cary Grant and Bogart.

Cary Grant spoke with that affected "Transatlantic" accent which on anyone else would sound like a pompous ass. But for him, it's simply the way Cary Grant talks.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 09:04 PM (8O3HH)

523 5'9 is not Huge for a women! Maybe back in the day it was statuesque, but women were shorter then. I think average height was 5'5". But the average height today is much taller...increased nutrition or something. I bet it is 5'7 or taller.

Could be totally wrong. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:05 PM (7UCSd)

524 Judge Jeanine is on fire . . . again.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:05 PM (GsAUU)

525 AOP: The origin film is An Adventure in Space and Time. It explains how the showrunner got the idea for the Daleks.
Ridiculed until they got strong public reax the next day.

Posted by: Shopgirl: every man a Wildcat! at November 18, 2017 09:05 PM (x3yKT)

526 Rita Hayworth was very lovely. Loads of beautiful women back then, most of them showed up at one point or another in Hitchcock films.

Lauren Bacall was really cute when she was young, but she didn't stay that pretty physically. I mean she wasn't bad looking but she sounded like a taxi driver and lost her young cuteness. But she always seemed like someone that would be great to be around. Someone you could respect and enjoy the company of. I didn't get that kind of feel from Grace Kelly, for instance (who was apparently a raging slut) or Ava Gardner.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:05 PM (39g3+)

527 Oh, and you don't have to mention Mila.

I gave up on her after the latest thing about abortion, her and Mike Pence. Good grief. Talk about disappointing.

Aren't there any good-looking, GOOD women anymore?!? (Besides those here, I mean.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:05 PM (eMKNe)

528 Robert Redford is a shorty also.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:05 PM (2DOZq)

529 Robert is 4'11", Gabe is 6 feet. One of Gabe's strides equal 3 of tiny Robert's.

No contest.

But put them in a boxing ring and look out! Duck Gabe!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 09:02 PM (nUkMr)

Not only that, but Kaplan actually ran track in high school.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 09:06 PM (EzdLW)

530 523 5'9 is not Huge for a women! Maybe back in the day it was statuesque, but women were shorter then. I think average height was 5'5". But the average height today is much taller...increased nutrition or something. I bet it is 5'7 or taller.

Could be totally wrong. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:05 PM (7UCSd)

--Uh, actually average height for chicks today is 5'4".

P.S. I hope that's not why your moniker includes gorilla

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:06 PM (GsAUU)

531 Christopher, it seems that Rita Hayworth was the one classic movie beauty, who was also a pretty decent person. From what I can tell, the only people she gave a hard time to was the studios, because she didn't want to be "owned."

It's so sad IMHO she succumbed to Alzheimer's. She deserved better, from everything I've heard.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:07 PM (eMKNe)

532 short actors and special effects:

Ted Neely who played JC in Jesus Christ Superstar is maybe an inch or two taller than me, which would be 5'5'' or so. I know because after seeing the stage production, we were able to 'meet and greet' and I hugged him.

my 9-year-old daughter was able to talk to Carl Anderson, who played Judas, and asked him about his hanging scene. Mr. Anderson drew a pic of his little chair contraption with his signature, and gave it to her.

later, I remember hearing in the news that one of the subsequent actors in that role actually died using that rope thing.

hope I'm mistaken.

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 09:07 PM (9mZIr)

533 Here's the thing. They can probably very soon duplicate, say, Marilyn Monroe or Clara Bow. They'll look just right. But they won't... act right. They won't quite move the same way, or react the same way. It just won't be convincing with CGI.

What I think someone needs to work on, and work on now, is simulating voices. Really convincing, effective simulation so you can write in dialog and tweak the tones and the way its said to get an actual, believable voice. That would save so much money in animation and game making.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:08 PM (39g3+)

534 529 Not only that, but Kaplan actually ran track in high school.
Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 09:06 PM (EzdLW)

Think of the wind resistance he had to overcome.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 09:08 PM (Vb4BV)

535 I still think one of the most sexually charged scenes I can think of is the one between Cary Grant and Eva Marie Saint on the train in North by Northwest.

Smouldery.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 08:42 PM (ycWCI)

Hitchcock knew how to film couples in love/lust.

My vote for his most smoldery would be 'Notorious" with Cary Grant and Ingrid Bergman.

This really looks like love:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSD5-Zy4_LY

Might be improved with a CGI wombat on Grant's shoulder making snarky remarks.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2017 09:08 PM (9q7Dl)

536 Oh, one more thing about Richard. They have found his remains and he had scoliosis bad enough that by the time he died he probably walked with a stoop and one shoulder higher than the other. There is at least one reference to it from his own lifetime. A drunk in the city of York was punished for referring to the duke as "crook-backed Dickon".

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:08 PM (3DZIZ)

537 For me, the greatest actress, and by that I mean the whole star package, the glam, the glitz, the class, etc, is Audrey Hepburn.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear

She was also a courier for the Dutch Underground during the Nazi occupation. At least that's the rumor.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 09:08 PM (5wCUq)

538 To get a good idea of Robert Conrad's height, check out a "Mission: Impossible" two-parter (season two or three) that centers on fixed fights. RC has an uncredited role as a sparring partner, "Bobby."

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 18, 2017 09:08 PM (VQjk/)

539 I like a lot of Charton Heston movies ( the epics) but imo the man could not act. He over acted.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:09 PM (2DOZq)

540
I was reading something recently (Daily Mail, I think -- but of course) with all the Uncle Harvey antics, they did a piece on some of the sexual harassment and crap back in the day.

According to that, Joan Collins could have been Cleopatra if she had just banged one of the studio heads.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 09:09 PM (8O3HH)

541 Years ago they had a Star Trek retrospective at the Smithsonian and had the cast's original uniforms on display. I always thought at least Nimoy was tall but he was just of average height. Shatner was short and Nichelle Nichols' uniform was tiny.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 09:09 PM (qJtVm)

542 AOP: The origin film is An Adventure in Space and Time. It explains how the showrunner got the idea for the Daleks.

Ridiculed until they got strong public reax the next day.

Posted by: Shopgirl: every man a Wildcat! at November 18, 2017 09:05 PM (x3yKT)

When I said the Daleks were scary, I was being sarcastic. Given that they can't climb stairs, humans could escape them by simply running upstairs. Or one could set a trap for them by rigging a room with a drop-away floor, a pitfall, if you will.

Of course, that criticism can be leveled at a great many movies, that there exist simple, obvious solutions for dilemmas encountered by the protagonists.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 09:09 PM (oPNmq)

543 533 Here's the thing. They can probably very soon duplicate, say, Marilyn Monroe or Clara Bow. They'll look just right. But they won't... act right. They won't quite move the same way, or react the same way. It just won't be convincing with CGI.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:08 PM (39g3+)

Yo, this is what I was sayin' in The Real Slim Shady.

Posted by: Eminem at November 18, 2017 09:09 PM (Vb4BV)

544 Oops, forgot about Audrey. She was also, by all accounts, a very decent person.

Love that one of her very last roles was as an angel in "Always."

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:09 PM (eMKNe)

545 later, I remember hearing in the news that one of the subsequent actors in that role actually died using that rope thing.

hope I'm mistaken.
Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 09:07 PM (9mZIr)

Holy crap, that is not at all a Snapple fun fact o_O

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 09:10 PM (y87Qq)

546 Uh, actually average height for chicks today is 5'4".

I am shocked. Truly. Wow.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:10 PM (7UCSd)

547
Except that the average MAN in the 1940s was only around 5'6" or 5'7".

In the year twenty five twenty five, if man is still alive.
His average height will be seven foot five.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2017 09:10 PM (IqV8l)

548 546 Uh, actually average height for chicks today is 5'4".

I am shocked. Truly. Wow.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:10 PM (7UCSd)

--I wonder if immigration affects that.

Whatever, Mexico is my country-in-law and my wifey is 5'5"

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:11 PM (GsAUU)

549 5'9 is not Huge for a women! Maybe back in the day it was statuesque, but women were shorter then. I think average height was 5'5". But the average height today is much taller...increased nutrition or something. I bet it is 5'7 or taller.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:05 PM (7UCSd)

The trannies are gonna skew that average all to hell. Bruce Jenner was 6'2''.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 09:11 PM (EzdLW)

550 539 I like a lot of Charton Heston movies ( the epics) but imo the man could not act. He over acted.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:09 PM (2DOZq)

When you are playing either God, Prophets, or larger than life historical figures, it kind of comes with the territory.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:11 PM (ycWCI)

551
Elizabeth Taylor never did anything for me. She just doesn't feel right to me. I think its the time period, that late 50s early 60s bullet bra era just felt unfeminine and unattractive.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 08:58 PM (39g3+)

++++

Butterfield 8

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 18, 2017 09:12 PM (pvjTE)

552 230

The Hollow Crown

Richard II is outstanding. The guy that plays Richard nails the part.

Henry IV pt I and II are both good. Jeremy Irons steals the show and Hiddleston actually does a pretty good imitation of him in the tavern scenes.

Henry V, meh. Honestly, you are better off skipping it and watching the Branagh version instead.

I haven't watched the rest because I found out Cumberbund plays Richard III and in the couple of clips I've seen he plays it exactly like I thought he would.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 07:47 PM (3DZIZ)

Agree with all of this. Richard II is played by Ben Whishaw (Q in the Craig Bond movies). He's really good. And Hiddleston (who I also really like) is *much* better in Henry IV than in Henry V. So much more range.

Posted by: Gem at November 18, 2017 09:12 PM (XoAz8)

553 no, it isn't hogmartin, not at all! sorry to bring you down.

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 09:12 PM (9mZIr)

554 Years ago they had a Star Trek retrospective at the Smithsonian and had the cast's original uniforms on display.

That display toured the nation, I saw it when it came through OMSI in Portland. Two things struck me when I saw it.

1) how cheesy the props looked up close. like a child made them
2) how small the actors were. I mean even with stretchy fabric, they looked like kids wore them.

Audrey Hepburn was kinda cute but she always seemed meh to me. Not my kinda movies I guess.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:12 PM (39g3+)

555 Interesting that in the Thor: Ragnorok trailer the scene where the hammer was crushed by the goddess of Death was in a city but in the movie it was in a rural field.

Posted by: MAGA at November 18, 2017 09:12 PM (LnOh3)

556 "Bruce Jenner was 6'2''." And still "broad."

And she wonders why she can't get dates.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:13 PM (pV/54)

557 The trannies are gonna skew that average all to hell. Bruce Jenner was 6'2''.

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 09:11 PM (EzdLW)

Well, he did lose six inches.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 09:13 PM (oPNmq)

558 I know a girl from a lonely street:

https://youtu.be/u5SmLgGnKJ4

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:13 PM (GsAUU)

559 Remember Robert Shaw as Henry VIII in A Man For All Seasons?

For me, he *is* Henry.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:13 PM (eMKNe)

560 539 I like a lot of Charton Heston movies ( the epics) but imo the man could not act. He over acted.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:09 PM (2DOZq)

Yes, and it was glorious. Just who else would have pulled off "Get your hands off me, you damn dirty apes!"?

Charles Laughton? John Wayne (OK, I'd pay to see that)?

Posted by: Eminem at November 18, 2017 09:13 PM (Vb4BV)

561 Well, he did lose six inches.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2017 09:13 PM (oPNmq)

Ouch.

I laughed and cringed at the same time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:14 PM (ycWCI)

562 (sock off)

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 09:14 PM (Vb4BV)

563 Read a book on the Philadelphia Experiment many years ago, it was a test during WWII using electromagnet forces and might have actually moved a destroyer in time and space.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 09:14 PM (aC6Sd)

564 Wow! I actually had something to say on the movie thread. Usually I haven't even heard of 90 percent of the movies mentioned let alone who was in them. And yes, I am a curmudgeon. Apparently.

I've always been fascinated by the creativity in making sound effects in both movies and, especially, radio. Has anyone heard of a book about making sound effects for the old radio dramas?

Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2017 09:14 PM (V+03K)

565 Baby, I would like to go out tonight

If I go with you my folks will get uptight

https://youtu.be/u5SmLgGnKJ4

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:14 PM (GsAUU)

566 Charles Laughton? John Wayne (OK, I'd pay to see that)?

He'd have racked a shotgun halfway through the line.

Get your hands off me *ka-shak* you damned dirty apes!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:15 PM (39g3+)

567 Eminem, Patton Oswalt did a great parody of that scene once on The King Of Queens. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:15 PM (eMKNe)

568
556 "Bruce Jenner was 6'2''." And still "broad."

And she wonders why she can't get dates.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:13 PM (pV/54)

Didn't he say that despite the hormones and going under the knife, he was still essentially hetero, as in, attracted to women? I'm thinking that has something to do with it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 09:15 PM (eXA4G)

569 One of Hestons movies that I really like but I never see it shown on TV is The Warlord.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:15 PM (2DOZq)

570 563 Read a book on the Philadelphia Experiment many years ago, it was a test during WWII using electromagnet forces and might have actually moved a destroyer in time and space.
Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 09:14 PM (aC6Sd)

Oh, are you in for a treat. Read my books!

Posted by: Erich von Daniken at November 18, 2017 09:15 PM (Vb4BV)

571 559 Remember Robert Shaw as Henry VIII in A Man For All Seasons?

For me, he *is* Henry.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:13 PM (eMKNe)

=======

I bought that Blu-ray.

Saw it originally in high school when I did a three week course on More in England.

The movie is quality stuff.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 09:16 PM (Jj43a)

572
Hitchcock had Uncle Harvey tendencies. Well, I don't think he actually raped or spunked in a ficus, but he was a randy old bastard.

I remember reading some young actress at the time talking about how disgusting he was.

Looked it up -- it was Tippi Hedren. She compared him to Uncle Harvey recently. She's 87. And she said Hithcock ruined her when she rejected him.

She alleges sexual assault, I think. So maybe he was as bad as Uncle Harv.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 09:16 PM (8O3HH)

573 TJM, wow what a coincidence. I first saw it in high school (on a Betamax player!) as part of my British Literature course in my senior year.

Was surprised how much I liked it. At first I thought it was going to be some Shakespearean snoozer, then I started paying a little attention...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:17 PM (eMKNe)

574 I've always been fascinated by the creativity in making sound effects in both movies and, especially, radio. Has anyone heard of a book about making sound effects for the old radio dramas?

Foley! There actually is a lot of stuff out there about how sound effects are used, and how some recorded long ago (such as the Wilhelm Scream) are still used today.

https://youtu.be/LQ6ZHRiQPoI

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:17 PM (39g3+)

575 She alleges sexual assault, I think. So maybe he was as bad as Uncle Harv.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 09:16 PM (8O3HH)

Damn, that sucks.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:17 PM (ycWCI)

576 publics: yup. He harassed Tippi Hedren like crazy, to the point she wouldn't speak to him under any circumstances.

Sad that Alfred couldn't see what an ass he was making of himself.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:18 PM (eMKNe)

577 Foley! There actually is a lot of stuff out there about how sound effects are used, and how some recorded long ago (such as the Wilhelm Scream) are still used today.

https://youtu.be/LQ6ZHRiQPoI

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:17 PM (39g3+)]/i]

The Wilhelm Scream is in EVERYTHING.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 09:18 PM (T71PA)

578 Remember Robert Shaw as Henry VIII in A Man For All Seasons?

For me, he *is* Henry.
Posted by: qdpsteve

And despite being a lefty bitch, Cate Blanchett is Elizabeth I
https://youtu.be/lMpigAUQt_4

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 09:18 PM (5wCUq)

579 MeTV's website has an article on ST:TOS props. Kirk used Magic Slate.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 18, 2017 09:18 PM (VQjk/)

580 Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2017 09:08 PM (9q7Dl)

The Notorious Clip did look like love, you are right. But we had much better scripts, actors and directors back then. We just did.

Now we have crap on a cracker.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:19 PM (7UCSd)

581 Robert Shaw always gave a good performance. Hell he was even a good Pizarro.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:19 PM (3DZIZ)

582 There was a run of really great movies about the Medieval kings in the 70s. Burton, Harris, O'Toole, Shaw, etc. The best of them I think is Lion in Winter

https://youtu.be/L2xWQr4VaUA

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:19 PM (39g3+)

583 Just read that Ryan Gosling learned to play the piano for his role in La La Land. That is pretty impressive.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:19 PM (2DOZq)

584
Hitchcock had Uncle Harvey tendencies. Well, I don't think he actually raped or spunked in a ficus, but he was a randy old bastard.

I remember reading some young actress at the time talking about how disgusting he was.

Looked it up -- it was Tippi Hedren. She compared him to Uncle Harvey recently. She's 87. And she said Hithcock ruined her when she rejected him.

She alleges sexual assault, I think. So maybe he was as bad as Uncle Harv.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 09:16 PM (8O3HH)

Yeah, Tippi has talked about that for years, including how Hitch blackballed her career. As usual, Hollywood and the MFM ignored it because he was a great filmmaker. As if that makes everything okay.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 09:20 PM (eXA4G)

585 The Notorious Clip did look like love, you are right. But we had much better scripts, actors and directors back then. We just did.

Now we have crap on a cracker.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:19 PM (7UCSd)

And all done without showing really anything. The actors have to convey what they are feeling through dialogue.

Shit on a shingle might be more apropos.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:20 PM (ycWCI)

586 The best of them I think is Lion in Winter

https://youtu.be/L2xWQr4VaUA
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:19 PM (39g3+)

Bill Clinton is THE LION IN WINTER!!!!

Posted by: DNC at November 18, 2017 09:20 PM (GsAUU)

587 Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 09:18 PM (5wCUq)

I really liked both the Elizabeth movies she did.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:20 PM (2DOZq)

588
Reading some more about Tippi Hedren. She says Hitch just threw himself on top of her in the back of a limo when she was just a young ingenue, and tried kiss her. Probably like Al Frankeg, trying to stick his tongue down her throat.

She was just repulsed. Hitchcock was Uncle Harvey indeed.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 18, 2017 09:20 PM (8O3HH)

589
Sad that Alfred couldn't see what an ass he was making of himself.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:18 PM

Well, when everyone heaps praise and riches upon you...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2017 09:20 PM (IqV8l)

590 Haven't watch much in the way of movies this week.

But, I watched an interesting anime series "Future Diary" on crunchyroll.

The plot line is based around a survival game between 11 people with the winner(last one alive) becoming god.

Otherwise, the world will end.

The main character is a 14 year old boy who's a whiny wimp. and the other main character is a girl who's in love with him and vows to protect him no matter what.

But, she is also a participant in the game.

"Future Diary" has all the weaknesses and strengths of an anime series but towards the end becomes something more.

Warning!: the original ending (Ep 26) proved unsatisfactory for most of the fans of the show. They tried something subtle and while it worked, it wasn't exactly what fans wanted to see.

So, they made an OVA and wrapped things up in a clearer manner.

The series and OVA are now available on blu-ray but if you watch on crunchyroll or hulu or whatever you'll need to see the OVA episode on youtube with a fan translation.

Definitely worth your time if you're an anime fan.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2017 09:20 PM (9q7Dl)

591 >>>And despite being a lefty bitch, Cate Blanchett is Elizabeth I<<<

Oh no. Glenda Jackson or Flora Robeson.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:21 PM (3DZIZ)

592 581 Robert Shaw always gave a good performance. Hell he was even a good Pizarro.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:19 PM (3DZIZ)

His performance in The Taking of Pelham One Two Three just about made the movie.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 09:21 PM (Vb4BV)

593 Publius, I think I read that Tippi's daughter Melanie Griffith said Hitch locked her in a box while she was visiting her mom on set (I assume so he could mack on Tippi). Also:

He gave the little girl the gift of a painfully accurate wax doll figure of her mother in a miniature coffin, dressed in the same costume she wore in The Birds. Years later, a grown-up Griffith said of Hitchcock: "He was a mother------, and you can quote me."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 09:21 PM (qJtVm)

594 I don't think Hitchcock was an active perv I think he was a creepy stalking peeper type. But who knows. Immense talent, though. He's dead now so I can enjoy his work just for his work like composers and artists.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:21 PM (39g3+)

595 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 09:20 PM (eXA4G)

Though he could not destroy the next two generations apparently.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:22 PM (2DOZq)

596 583 Just read that Ryan Gosling learned to play the piano for his role in La La Land. That is pretty impressive.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:19 PM (2DOZq)

--He was probably paid impressively well in a matter of months to do nothing but piano lessons.

Which is not impressive.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:22 PM (GsAUU)

597 O'Toole was the go to guy for Henry II.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:22 PM (3DZIZ)

598 Robert Shaw was also the best Bond villian in From Russia With Love,

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:23 PM (pV/54)

599 Oh no. Glenda Jackson or Flora Robeson.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:21 PM (3DZIZ)

Glenda Jackson is Elizabeth I.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 09:23 PM (T71PA)

600 598 Robert Shaw was also the best Bond villian in From Russia With Love,
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:23 PM (pV/54)

Also, excellent as crunchy sharkbait in Jaws.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:23 PM (ycWCI)

601 Immense talent, though. He's dead now so I can enjoy his work just for his work like composers and artists.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:21 PM (39g3+)

I always hated Hitchcock movies. They're all pretty stupid. Saboteur has to be in the running for the dumbest movie of all time.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:23 PM (8gDQu)

602 I've only heard this but for old-school special effects I nominate the parting of the waters in "The Ten Commandments." They used a block of gelatin sliced in half. They filmed the halves being pushed against each other, then being left to melt into liquid. Then they ran that chunk of film backward.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 18, 2017 09:23 PM (VQjk/)

603 The real star of Pelham was David Shire.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:24 PM (3DZIZ)

604 Christopher, right. Hitch was pervy about *Tippi*, but I don't believe there are any other women he behaved that way about. (I could be wrong.)

Although I think Kim Novak always said, she got a weird vibe from Alfred while shooting Vertigo, as if he wanted to turn her into Grace Kelly (who quit the biz after she married the prince of Monaco, obviously).

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:24 PM (eMKNe)

605 Robert Shaw was also the best Bond villian in From Russia With Love,
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:23 PM (pV/54)

Yup....I kinda liked him better than 007 in that one.

He was a psycho, but a cool one.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 09:24 PM (nUkMr)

606 Shaw would have been a good Bond.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:24 PM (3DZIZ)

607 I'm going to disagree with the main thesis. I find special effects to be, in general, less distracting than practical effects. It's only when the special effects are really bad or the practical effects are really good that I will prefer the latter.

When I see a movie that has a guy in a dinosaur suit, my first, middle, and last thought is "Oh look, a guy in a dinosaur suit." When I see a movie that suddenly switches to claymation, I think "Oh look, clay models." Etc. The distractions I get from special effects are different. I watch the spaceship engaging, and after a while I think, "Huh, that spaceship sure doesn't bear all the wear and tear of travelling all over the galaxy for years." In other words, it's distracting on a secondary level, on a level of detail. Practical effects distract me on an immediate level. And no, this isn't the product of becoming used to special effects: I thought this way when I was a kid. When CGI started making its way into films I was elated because now they could realistically portray all the great science fiction stories that I've been wanting to see on screen. Of course, they can and do overuse it, there are plenty of places where practical effects are more appropriate, and the special effects have to improve so that they don't distract on that secondary level either. But that doesn't imply that practical effects are better in general.

Posted by: Jim S. at November 18, 2017 09:25 PM (ynUnH)

608 Lion in Winter's cast is jaw-dropping though, you can tell why it was so good.

Peter O'Toole
Anthony Hopkins
Katherine Hepburn
Nigel Terry
Timothy Dalton

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:26 PM (39g3+)

609 574 ... Christopher, Thanks. I will check out that link.

I don't remember all the details but I read about a radio script that called for the character to be standing by a window enjoying the morning air. The sound effect person had to create that impression. He finally opted to use the sound of soft, distant wind chimes and damned if it didn't work.

Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2017 09:26 PM (V+03K)

610 @ 564 -- JTB, if you come across such a book, please post its title. I'd love to dive into that.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 18, 2017 09:26 PM (VQjk/)

611

Anyone else notice all the actors discussed in this thread are Jews??

Ace's agenda, again?

Posted by: kate58 (no, not really, dummies) at November 18, 2017 09:26 PM (xRjiA)

612 Robert Redford is a shorty also.

Not that short. Everytime I see him in the Way We Were I marvel at his looks. And no one could wear a white turtleneck like him. I also like him in Indecent Proposal. Hated him in the Great Gatsby. But he was gorgeous and loved his acting. I don't care that he was a leftie.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:27 PM (7UCSd)

613 Ace's agenda, again?

Posted by: kate58 (no, not really, dummies) at November 18, 2017 09:26 PM (xRjiA)

Crap in your own punch bowl.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 09:27 PM (T71PA)

614 Anyone else notice all the actors discussed in this thread are Jews??

Ace's agenda, again?

Posted by: kate58 (no, not really, dummies) at November 18, 2017 09:26 PM (xRjiA)

So let's talk about Yaphet Kotto ... wait ... never mind.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:27 PM (8gDQu)

615 611

Anyone else notice all the actors discussed in this thread are Jews??

Ace's agenda, again?
Posted by: kate58 (no, not really, dummies) at November 18, 2017 09:26 PM (xRjiA)

?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:27 PM (ycWCI)

616 Robert Shaw is great in everything, even as a Depression era Irish gangster

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2017 09:28 PM (aC6Sd)

617 Great example of a practically-shot scene, that would have been ruined if shot in CGI (most likely):

The opening scene in 2001, with the apes/neanderthals. Today a (undoubtedly less talented filmmaker than Kubrick) would say, ah screw it, let's just do it as CGI animation, which would look horrible.

In the original 2001, it becomes kind of obvious these are (very talented) actors in gorilla suits, yet it *works,* thanks to everyone's commitment to *making* it work.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:28 PM (eMKNe)

618 So let's talk about Yaphet Kotto ... wait ... never mind.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:27 PM (8gDQu)

--LMAO.

Katto for VEEP!

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:28 PM (GsAUU)

619
Robert Shaw was also the best Bond villian in From Russia With Love,
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:23 PM (pV/54)

Just to be a pedantic dick, he was the henchman, not the villain, who of course is Blofeld.

He's definitely the best henchman of the series though. By far.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 09:28 PM (eXA4G)

620 From what I've read Hitchcock was pervy, but not anywhere like Harvey or some old time studio heads.

He may have gotten worse towards the end. Tippi and The Birds was late in his career.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:28 PM (pV/54)

621 Robert Shaw was also the best Bond villian in From Russia With Love

I think the considered him to replace Connery, which would have worked I think.

I loved him in The Sting

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:28 PM (39g3+)

622 I'll also say that I show my students the trailer for Agora in order to demonstrate how culture drills into them the idea that science and religion are in conflict. If they're willing to resort to the absurd historical inaccuracies of Agora in order to make that point, then it probably means there aren't actual examples available in history.

Posted by: Jim S. at November 18, 2017 09:29 PM (ynUnH)

623 Very funny, Sooth.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:29 PM (ycWCI)

624 Anyone else notice all the actors discussed in this thread are Jews??

Ace's agenda, again?
Posted by: kate58 (no, not really, dummies) at November 18, 2017 09:26 PM (xRjiA)
---
King Kong is Jewish? Who knew?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 09:29 PM (qJtVm)

625 Kim Novak

She up & quit Hollywood. Too bad too. She was gorgeous and a very good actor.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:29 PM (7UCSd)

626 The opening scene in 2001, with the apes/neanderthals. Today a (undoubtedly less talented filmmaker than Kubrick) would say, ah screw it, let's just do it as CGI animation, which would look horrible.

How do you know that?

In the original 2001, it becomes kind of obvious these are (very talented) actors in gorilla suits, yet it *works,* thanks to everyone's commitment to *making* it work.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:28 PM (eMKNe)

It sounds as if it "works" only because you want it to work.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (8gDQu)

627 625 Kim Novak

She up & quit Hollywood. Too bad too. She was gorgeous and a very good actor.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:29 PM (7UCSd)

DO NOT do an image search of her now. Trust me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (ycWCI)

628 Gundrop, yup!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (eMKNe)

629 Malcolm Young was not so young.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (GsAUU)

630 So let's talk about Yaphet Kotto ... wait ... never mind.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:27 PM (8gDQu)

Wasn't he in "Blue Collar"......liked that movie.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (nUkMr)

631 Primordial, what do you think of that scene?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (eMKNe)

632 King Kong is Jewish? Who knew?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 18, 2017 09:29 PM (qJtVm)

You could hardly miss the circumcision.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (ycWCI)

633 Dawn of Man is my favorite part of 2001. When Stargazer settles that bastard's hash it is like Charlton Heston running over Stephen Boyd.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:31 PM (3DZIZ)

634 There was an element of Hitchcock's voyerism and obsessive desire for his leading ladies in the biopic about Psycho.

Even went so far as to say that Norman Bates's peeping was informed by the director's long-standing experience.

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 09:31 PM (9mZIr)

635 It sounds as if it "works" only because you want it to work.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (8gDQu)

It works because they are hominids. Not chimps and not human.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 09:31 PM (T71PA)

636
When I said the Daleks were scary, I was being sarcastic

Yes. I know. What you said about them was almost word-for-word what was said in the origin film.
Which is why I wondered if you had seen it.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 09:31 PM (x3yKT)

637 Yaphet Kotto was always great, he had such a great voice and presence. Wish he'd gotten better work but Hollywood had a one negro at a time rule: sorry pal, the black guy of the moment is Sidney Poitier. Maybe later.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:31 PM (39g3+)

638 Short review of The Dark Tower: It stinks.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 18, 2017 09:32 PM (60v4h)

639 Every good Bond would make a good villain. You could cast Connery, Dalton, or Daniel Craig as the big villain in any action movie.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 18, 2017 09:32 PM (rnAwa)

640 597 O'Toole was the go to guy for Henry II.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 18, 2017 09:22 PM (3DZIZ)

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Geilgud as Henry IV in Chimes at Midnight.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 09:32 PM (Jj43a)

641 630 So let's talk about Yaphet Kotto ... wait ... never mind.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:27 PM (8gDQu)

Wasn't he in "Blue Collar"......liked that movie.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (nUkMr)

--LOOOOOVED Kotto in Homicide: Life in the Streets.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:32 PM (GsAUU)

642 King Kong is Jewish? Who knew?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

I'd hate to be his moyel. Oy vey!

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 09:32 PM (5wCUq)

643
So let's talk about Yaphet Kotto ...

I liked his little brother Vir.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2017 09:32 PM (IqV8l)

644
It works because they are hominids. Not chimps and not human.
Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 18, 2017 09:31 PM (T71PA)

2001 had homos? Are you sure you watched the same movie I did?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 09:33 PM (eXA4G)

645 I liked his little brother Vir.

Hah! Twins!

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 18, 2017 09:34 PM (4XCge)

646 2001 had homos? Are you sure you watched the same movie I did?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 09:33 PM (eXA4G)

Well, Hal always seemed a bit fey to me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:34 PM (ycWCI)

647 just watched Vertigo this week. My son was sick and I was taking care of him for a night. He'd never seen it. He thought the ending was stupid.

the green effect of Novak coming into the room as her original character: what's that supposed to suggest?

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 09:34 PM (9mZIr)

648 I just watched Split the other night. I thought it was one of shamalamadingdongs better movies. I thought Janes McAvoy did a great job.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 09:34 PM (2DOZq)

649 Every good Bond would make a good villain.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 18, 2017 09:32 PM (rnAwa)

Good point. Probably because the Bond character is such an amoral bastard in the first place, if you can do that well, you're already halfway to being the bad guy.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 09:34 PM (y87Qq)

650 I love The Sting, but the Lonnigan character was humorless. Really loved Robert Shaw in Swashbuckler. Very sexy.

Posted by: Shopgirl: #every man a wildcat at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (x3yKT)

651 I thought parting the Red Sea was done with streamers and fans?

Posted by: andycanuck at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (mJ8mX)

652 About "From Russia With Love" --

I wonder if the SPECTRE actors felt odd, shooting scenes with a guy holding a cat, and later seeing that his face never made it into the shot.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (VQjk/)

653 Primordial, what do you think of that scene?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (eMKNe)

I was not thrilled with it when I first saw it. I think it was the soundtrack that gave it any impact, frankly.

All in all, I thought 2001 was a well made movie and I loved it from the start (but I loved anything having to do with space) but it suffered from the problems of the book. The ending, of course, was ridiculous but that had to be because the ending of the book was ridiculous. Clarke was just waving his hands with no idea about trying to say anything (which became too painfully obvious with the pathetic story and stupid ending that was 2010) and the movie couldn't really do anything with that but what Kubrik did.

2001 was a great middle movie. The beginning and end were better missed, I think.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (8gDQu)

654 THe main villain in the Justice League movie Steppenwolf (yeah I know, who?) is entirely CGI. I've heard that he's kind of boring and has no real personality.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (39g3+)

655 622 I'll also say that I show my students the trailer for Agora in order to demonstrate how culture drills into them the idea that science and religion are in conflict. If they're willing to resort to the absurd historical inaccuracies of Agora in order to make that point, then it probably means there aren't actual examples available in history.
Posted by: Jim S. at November 18, 2017 09:29 PM (ynUnH)

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I was shocked that it devolved into a hitjob on a specific early Bishop.

Kinda weird. What was his name? Clivas if Alexandria?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (Jj43a)

656 2001 was a great middle movie. The beginning and end were better missed, I think.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (8gDQu)

I agree. It felt like three unrelated movies instead of a cohesive whole.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (xJa6I)

657 Yaphet Kotto has an amazing voice. It lends gravity to everything he says, and sticks with you long after the movie is over. I can call up memories of him speaking in Alien and that Bond movie (Diamonds Are Forever, I think), and that doesn't happen with almost any other actor, after so long.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (Vb4BV)

658
639 Every good Bond would make a good villain. You could cast Connery, Dalton, or Daniel Craig as the big villain in any action movie.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 18, 2017 09:32 PM (rnAwa)

I actually thought Dalton made an awesome villain in Hot Fuzz, equal to some of the best villains in the films that Pegg and Wright were parodying.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2017 09:36 PM (eXA4G)

659 Took a break for a bit.. turn on the tube, channel surfed and one of my all time favorites is on. The Wizard of Oz. God I remember watching that on TV as a kid and being mesmerized.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 09:36 PM (CNHr1)

660 654 THe main villain in the Justice League movie Steppenwolf (yeah I know, who?) is entirely CGI. I've heard that he's kind of boring and has no real personality.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:35 PM (39g3+)

RLM are not fans.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:36 PM (ycWCI)

661 627 625 Kim Novak

She up & quit Hollywood. Too bad too. She was gorgeous and a very good actor.
Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:29 PM (7UCSd)

DO NOT do an image search of her now. Trust me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:30 PM (ycWCI)

++++

Sometimes you have to wonder whether these women did something to piss off their plastic surgeon before they went under the knife.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 18, 2017 09:36 PM (pvjTE)

662 Vertigo is one of my favorite movies. One one level it's hokey. On another it's about sexual obsession.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:36 PM (pV/54)

663 647
the green effect of Novak coming into the room as her original character: what's that supposed to suggest?
Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 09:34 PM (9mZIr)

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That it's fantasy. Not a literal hallucination or anything, but that what Stewart is creating is not a real person.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 18, 2017 09:37 PM (Jj43a)

664 booknlass:

I'm not sure why Hitch chose green. But I think that scene is incredible. It always sends both a chill up my spine, and a thud in my heart.

I can tell you, for all my issues with women, if I could have one of my 'objects of desire' back, just as they were back in 1983, 1987, 1993, 2009... I probably would go for it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:37 PM (eMKNe)

665 There was an element of Hitchcock's voyerism and obsessive desire for his leading ladies in the biopic about Psycho.

Even went so far as to say that Norman Bates's peeping was informed by the director's long-standing experience.
Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 09:31 PM (9mZIr)

The movie Marnie with Sean Connery & Tippi shows that creepiness too. But the stalker is shown as the good guy really. Kinda weird film.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:37 PM (7UCSd)

666 TJM, true.
The scene where Scotty is literally forcing her into the previous woman's clothes, and forcibly sculpting her into that look and manner, is also incredible.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:38 PM (eMKNe)

667 Well damn, Yaphet Kptto has a Youtube channel:

https://youtu.be/zX7ALBb4MSc

Also, one of the best opening credits in network TV history.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:38 PM (GsAUU)

668 Gundrop, oh man.

Marnie is considered Hitch's weirdest-ass film, and is supposedly the one that just doesn't work the way it should.

It of course didn't help that things were so bad, *and* weird, between Hitch and Tippi IRL while it was being shot.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:39 PM (eMKNe)

669 666 TJM, true.
The scene where Scotty is literally forcing her into the previous woman's clothes, and forcibly sculpting her into that look and manner, is also incredible.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:38 PM (eMKNe)

Autobiographical, if you ask me. I think Hitchock was working through some of his issues on that one. Some great visuals in that though and you don't often see Jimmy Stewart playing a heel.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 18, 2017 09:39 PM (xJa6I)

670 Mark, yup.

They're not identical by any stretch of the imagine, of course, but I thought there were a few parallels between Vertigo and Gone Girl.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:40 PM (eMKNe)

671 Also Mark, Vertigo has been called Hitch's most personal film, interestingly enough.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:41 PM (eMKNe)

672 thanks TJM--everytime I see it, it's as if she's made of television particles, or she's a celluloid creature, stepping into the room off the screen.

Hitch was brilliant, i must admit.

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2017 09:41 PM (9mZIr)

673 FU Gillibrand

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:42 PM (GsAUU)

674 I actually thought Dalton made an awesome villain in Hot Fuzz, equal to some of the best villains in the films that Pegg and Wright were parodying.

Timothy Dalton is a really underrated, incredibly capable actor. He was good as the villain in Rocketeer too. I thought his Bond was dead on solid perfect, but they didn't give him very good scripts.

I liked Homicide, but it was flawed by heavy overdirection (the triple takes, the shaky cam) which got better as the show went on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:42 PM (39g3+)

675 Yaphet Kotto's Bond movie was "Live and Let Die."

I also liked him in "Midnight Run."

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 18, 2017 09:42 PM (VQjk/)

676 King Kong is Jewish? Who knew?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

I'd hate to be his moyel. Oy vey!
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 18, 2017 09:32 PM (5wCUq)

You're gonna need a chainsaw bayonet for that!

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 09:43 PM (EzdLW)

677 Some great visuals in that though and you don't often see Jimmy Stewart playing a heel.

He'd played a bad guy earlier in cinema but I won't say which movie because if you haven't seen it you will never, ever see it coming. One of the best reveals ever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:43 PM (39g3+)

678 one of my all time favorites is on. The Wizard of Oz.
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 18, 2017 09:36 PM (CNHr1)

Uh.. enjoy. That sounds... nice for you.

I hatehatehate that movie so much. Soooo much. Always did. Can't put my finger on why. People always do a knowing nod and say "yep, those flying monkeys scared you when you were little, right?"

No, it's not the stupid flying flippin' monkeys. I don't know what it is, I just hate it fractally; at a macro level and as far down as you care to drill I hate every part of it. The only thing I don't absolutely hate about it was the ending of A Fistful of Yen.

:: deep breath ::

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2017 09:43 PM (y87Qq)

679 Ignoramus, you could say that about Vertigo.

It's a film where so much of what happens is *in the heads of the characters,* more or less.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:44 PM (eMKNe)

680 677 Some great visuals in that though and you don't often see Jimmy Stewart playing a heel.

He'd played a bad guy earlier in cinema but I won't say which movie because if you haven't seen it you will never, ever see it coming. One of the best reveals ever.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:43 PM (39g3+)

I think I know which one you mean, and I agree.

Posted by: Splunge at November 18, 2017 09:45 PM (Vb4BV)

681
The scene where Scotty is literally forcing her into the previous woman's clothes, and forcibly sculpting her into that look and manner, is also incredible.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Scotty wanted to beam her up.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2017 09:45 PM (IqV8l)

682 hogmartin, as I recall, Kubrick also hated Wiz of Oz.

He also hated Mary Poppins, I think because he thought it was just so over-the-top manipulative. Then again that's more or less every Disney flick ever, I think.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:45 PM (eMKNe)

683 They're not identical by any stretch of the imagine, of course, but I thought there were a few parallels between Vertigo and Gone Girl.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:40 PM (eMKNe)

Gone Girl was just a very poor copy of the Scott Peterson case, with the twist that the chick was the guilty party. It actually could have been a very good movie but the writer got lost after 45 minutes and I think they outsourced the last half of the movie to some writer boiler room in India.

But Emily Rajatakowowski's tits were in it, so there was that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 09:45 PM (8gDQu)

684 CRT, I know that movie!

My wife and I just looked at each other in shock.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 18, 2017 09:45 PM (VQjk/)

685
Oh-wee-oh, Oh-Ohhhh

Or Re O Ohhhhh

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at November 18, 2017 09:45 PM (xRjiA)

686 --LOOOOOVED Kotto in Homicide: Life in the Streets.
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And his show son, Gus Fring from "Breaking Bad", really is an Italian-African like Kotto's character!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 18, 2017 09:46 PM (mJ8mX)

687 Primordial, LOL.

The ending of Gone Girl is kind of creepy... but not so well illustrated, IMHO. The audience has to figure it out.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:46 PM (eMKNe)

688 Marnie is considered Hitch's weirdest-ass film, and is supposedly the one that just doesn't work the way it should.

Knowing what we do now, you can project onto that film a lot of Hitchcock's emotions, and how he viewed her, and that feels he kind of saved her. That's simplistic, but it actually makes more sense from that point of view for me.

It is one weird ass film. I wonder what Connery was thinking.

Posted by: Gundrop Gorilla is in trouble bubble at November 18, 2017 09:46 PM (7UCSd)

689 "Cell" was meh.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2017 09:46 PM (9q7Dl)

690 nood

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at November 18, 2017 09:47 PM (Ktb8D)

691 ONT is nood, btw.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2017 09:47 PM (ycWCI)

692 Gundrop, I think Connery was thinking "Bond and now working with Hitch! I'm on a roll!!" ;-)

I've read Connery chose to do flicks just as often based on the paycheck as on how much he liked the story.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2017 09:48 PM (eMKNe)

693 Aw man, we were still having fun!

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 18, 2017 09:48 PM (VQjk/)

694 Josephine Tey wrote The Daughter of Time which takes apart the history around Richard III, it's very good.
Posted by: Lirio100 at November 18, 2017 08:28

Tis very good, that's what first got me into the idea he was basically slandered byt the Tudors and WS.

He did a lot of good in his short reign, for one made the legal issues done in English instead of Latin so the common people could understand it.

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 09:49 PM (yJ1e6)

695 Someone earlier mentioned the actor who played Bane in The Dark Knight Rises. That's Tom Hardy. He is 5'9'', since we're keeping track. Hell of an actor. Very good in Dark Knight, The Take, and Legend. But shamefully underutilized in Mad Max Thunder Road, which focused too much on Charlize Theron's character. He has a Marlon Brando type presence (younger Brando).

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 18, 2017 09:51 PM (EzdLW)

696 637 Yaphet Kotto was always great, he had such a great voice and presence. Wish he'd gotten better work but Hollywood had a one negro at a time rule: sorry pal, the black guy of the moment is Sidney Poitier. Maybe later.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2017 09:31 PM (39g3+)

He was great as Idi Amin in "The Raid on Entebbe"

Posted by: josephistan at November 18, 2017 09:51 PM (ANIFC)

697
You're achin' my leg, Marnie. You're achin' my leg."

That's about all I remember from that film.

Cuz it cracked me up so much.

In fact, that will be my new catch phrase.

You're achin' my leg, TheJamesMadison. You're achin' my leg."

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2017 09:52 PM (9q7Dl)

698 Tom Hardy is one of my favorite current actors. He has an amazing talent at voices.

For Bane he said he got the voice from a Romanian WWE-like wrestler, popular in England when he was young.

He kills as Alfie Solomons, the Orthodox gangster, in Peaky Blinders.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 09:55 PM (pV/54)

699 And his show son, Gus Fring from "Breaking Bad", really is an Italian-African like Kotto's character!
Posted by: andycanuck at November 18, 2017 09:46 PM (mJ8mX)

--Heh, well, Gus Fring is more like . . . well, not sure, but doesn't strike me as Italian-African.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 09:56 PM (GsAUU)

700 Heston's under-rated as an actor. (Translation: lefties have been mounting a hateful smear campaign against him for about thirty years now.)

Check out his performance in The Omega Man, or in the early scenes of Planet of the Apes.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2017 09:57 PM (v8NF5)

701 just saw I remember you, a Nordic chiller flick. It made me scream in fear. reallly good, really scary.

Posted by: vivi at November 18, 2017 10:00 PM (11H2y)

702 655
I was shocked that it devolved into a hitjob on a specific early Bishop.

Kinda weird. What was his name? Clivas if Alexandria?

I didn't see the movie, but that's probably Cyril. There were two Christian guys vying for power at the time, Cyril, the Patriarch of Alexandria, and Orestes the Prefect of Alexandria. A pro-Cyril monk threw a rock at Orestes and hit him in the head, so Orestes had him arrested and tortured. Accidentally killed him. So a pro-Cyril mob then took the nearest pro-Orestes person they could find (Hypatia) and killed her in response. Hypatia wasn't a Christian, but she was a Neoplatonist which strongly affirms the existence of God. Anyway, other than the mob that specifically killed her, the Christian community was horrified by it.

Posted by: Jim S. at November 18, 2017 10:04 PM (ynUnH)

703 Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2017 09:57 PM (v8NF5)m

The Left may have different reasons to criticize his acting but this Righty does not think he is that good of an actor. I would describe his movie acting as though he was doing a stage play.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 18, 2017 10:05 PM (2DOZq)

704 Well so far La La Land is a bust. Even
jules gave up on it. Now we are watching 'Spli". Is it any good?

Thanks for all the Richard III comment, I'm a big defender of him. If you have any questions and are interested check out the Yahoo group for him, all kinds of opinions are expressed.

One of histories great mysteries...what happened to the Princes in the Tower.

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 10:08 PM (yJ1e6)

705 "One of histories great mysteries...what happened to the Princes in the Tower."

Theon Greyjoy faked their deaths by killing and burning the corpses of two farm boys. The princes show up in next season.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2017 10:11 PM (pV/54)

706 'Spli". Is it any good?

Opps, "Split".

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at November 18, 2017 10:11 PM (yJ1e6)

707
Check out his performance in The Omega Man, or in the early scenes of Planet of the Apes.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2017 09:57 PM (v8NF5)

Heston did a great job in Khartoum.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 18, 2017 10:15 PM (8gDQu)

708 I ran "Murder on the Orient Express" 1st run at the Hollywood Paramount, now Disney's El Capitan. MOTOE was shot in 70 mm, not 65 mm.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at November 18, 2017 10:31 PM (w7U7L)

709 I really liked Split. Very entertaining.

Posted by: Gem at November 18, 2017 10:33 PM (XoAz8)

710 I really appreciated the practical effects in Moon (2009).

Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at November 18, 2017 10:50 PM (SE87h)

711 Michelle 0bama was Oscar-worthy in Kong: Skull Island

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 11:10 PM (GsAUU)

712 711 Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2017 11:10 PM (GsAUU)

She has to take the occasional Star Trek role to fund her ability to work for scale at her "art."

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2017 01:17 AM (SzZnW)

713 >>>246 Ray Harryhausen's stop motion effects are awesome. "Jason and the Argonauts" fighting the harpies and the skeleton army is a great scene. The amount of work they put into that is staggering.

Medusa scene was terrifying for me as a kid. Beautiful use of stop motion monster, and building fear and dread.

There is a reason the elite sushi restaurant in Monsters Inc is named Harryhausen. Easter egg honoring one of the best creature creators ever.

Posted by: LizLem at November 19, 2017 01:45 AM (bZVBe)

714 >>> 378 I mean you look at the last prequel (almost all CGI) and the first of the new Abrams Star Wars movies (almost all practical effects).

Lens flare and botching the sequel aside, JJ is an old school film nerd and it adds to whatever he does. It does him credit.

In the DVD extras/commentary of reboot trek, the production staff were freaking out over filming the scenes where Kirk has to jump to the platform to shut down the drill on Vulcan. It was going to cost a pretty penny via CGI. JJ somehow got wind and was like hey, let's just shoot it with mirrors! Old school style. Shot it quickly I think in a parking lot with mirrors, cost hardly anything. Looking at those scenes now, knowing that, it looks fantastic.

And YES, all CGI'd Steppenwolf was terrible. Should have done close ups with prosthetics so he felt more real, more solid and menacing. Ah well. Did not hate Justice League as much as I thought I would. Better than Thor the dark world, but then anything is.

I'm torn about Hitchcock. His films are my fave but he was flawed, as are most geniuses I've decided. Used film to exorcise those demons. I think losing his dream muse, Grace Kelly, to Monaco broke part of him. After that Tippi entered his life and he was definitely horrible to her. I love Vertigo. Extremely personal film. No other actor but Jimmy Stewart can make you root for such a manipulative, obsessive person. But I do every time. I want him to find his happiness and he destroys it every time.

(And yes I know the other film Jimmy Stewart was a villain in Chris Taylor!! Agreed it's excellent. Have you seen him in Mr. Krueger's Christmas? A film he did for the LDS church, it's a yearly Christmas tradition of mine. His sheer emotion at seeing the baby Christ...fantastic.)

Posted by: LizLem at November 19, 2017 02:11 AM (bZVBe)

715 64
On the good side, in "Aliens" where Ripley in the mech suit loader is
all practical effects. There was never a full sized working model, just
bits and pieces filmed from various angle. For all the world it looks
real.

===============

The way they did the power loader was a combination of stop-motion miniatures and "guy in a rubber suit".

The costume version was so heavy, it was attached to a crane to move it around, and for some shots they only used the upper torso section to simplify setup. So they had a suit on a crane with a guy in it to move the parts and Sigourney Weaver strapped to the front of the suit just kinda along for the ride for live action further out shots. The miniatures for the more mobile further out shots like when it's fighting the Queen and you see the whole queen moving around.

The feature-length making-of for Aliens has a decent section on how they did the loader, and there's even some shots of the full big man-in-suit rig in action from different angles while they were filming.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 19, 2017 08:43 AM (Fj8ld)

716 Some "Hell's Angles" 1930 version. This is the video I couodn't find earlier. A few cheesy shots but otherwise amazing.

https://tinyurl.com/y92lpe9f

Posted by: Javems at November 19, 2017 12:43 PM (yOqwj)

717 Agora is full of lies, mistakes, and ridiculous stupidity about both its period and its subjects.

Hypatia was a Neo-Platonic philosopher, which means she was interested in real things beyond the world, magic, math as magic, and coercing the gods to do stuff. She may or may not have been Christian; many of her students were.

But the movie creates a pretty-ish tissue of lies while attacking the foundations of Western civilization, so there's that. And I guess keeping Rachel Weisz employed is always justified.

Posted by: Suburbanbanshee at November 19, 2017 05:47 PM (BYYJV)

718 Practical effects.

Lee Marvin beating hobos with a live chicken in Emperor of the North. Hilarious.

The train t-boning the 1969 Charger in Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry.

Blues Brothers drawbridge car jump. And the mall chase sequence. And the lower whacker drive drive jump.

Posted by: 13times at November 19, 2017 06:03 PM (WHVu+)

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