What To Do About Roy Moore and the At-Risk AL Senate Seat?

Although Roy Moore is currently ahead in polls, his support is dropping. Based on current trends -- always a dangerous beginning to a sentence -- there's a decision cascade coming at which point his support will suddenly drop quite a bit, and he'll be behind Jones, maybe by a fair amount.

This boat seems slow getting to full steam but once it gets there, it will have unstoppable momentum.

So what to do? We certainly don't want to lose this seat.

I see only two options to try to save the seat. But everyone would have to be on board with them to make either work.

First: The Republican Senators announce, more or less to a person, that if elected, Roy Moore would not be seated. This then permits the Alabama GOP to attempt a campaign claiming "Vote for Roy Moore just so that the Republican governor may appoint a replacement in his stead." In other words, vote for Roy Moore, get a Republican other than Roy Moore. (Not Luther Strange, as he was specifically rejected by Republican voters.)

Treat the vote as a vote for a party preference and not an individual, because the Senate has announced he won't be taking that seat either way.

Second: This is the harder one. (That last one was hard, but this one is harder.)

A write in campaign. But here's the problem, of course: any write-in will likely just split the GOP vote so that Doug Jones wins outright. For this option to work, it would be necessary for around 90% of the Alabama GOP agree not only to write in a different candidate name, but the same candidate name.

That's tough after a tough primary that divided Republican voters.

One name seems obvious: Jeff Sessions. A good name to unify people that everyone already knows.

Well, Jeff Sessions has already said he's not interested in being Senator, but if Jeff Sessions won, that would create a situation where the winner does not take the seat, once again, I think, setting up the circumstances for the Alabama governor to appoint a temporary senator in his stead.

Writing in Jeff Sessions may be more morally palatable for some than voting for Roy Moore, even if the net result is exactly the same. (Governor appoints temporary Senator to fill seat until 2020 election.)

Another possibility -- a bad one, I think -- is to agree to write in Luther Strange, the runner-up in the GOP primary. I don't think this would work because this was a vigorously contested primary and the people who voted against Strange did so for a reason; they were generally anti-establishment, and wanted that anti-establishment sentiment to be heard, and I don't think they'll cotton to the idea of giving Strange the seat they chose to not give him.

However, this is just a temporary seat that comes up for proper general election in 2020. This isn't forever. (Though the idea of Doug Jones holding the seat for that long does seem like forever...)

I realize people will say "Mo Brooks is better than both of these guys" and I'd agree, but the problem is, given that he came in 3rd in the primary, what actual claim would he have to be the write-in candidate of consensus, apart from many of us just thinking he was the best candidate from the start? At least Strange could say "I was the runner-up" and "I was already in the seat and didn't blow up the world."

I'm not in Strange's camp; I just want to figure out some way to not give up this seat. Strange seems doable (if a bitter pill for some) while Brooks seems not doable.

If there were an establishment people actually trusted, they could make a quick decision and say "This is best for Alabama, and for America, as far as keeping the Senate in (nominal) GOP control." The problem is, of course, that people do not trust the establishment, so this important role of making tough decisions that people will trust as a respectable, practical compromise, is currently not being played by anyone.

I think the Vote Moore to Get Someone Else plan is the strongest-- especially given that Moore voters don't have to themselves be convinced to vote for Moore -- but we'd need wide consensus on that plan for it to work, and I don't know of anyone in the GOP who has broad enough appeal and trust to push that. Let alone the 6-10 "Wise Men" you'd need to convince people on this plan.

Oh, by the way:

If the Democrats win this, and the Senate slips to a 51-49 (with independents) Republican majority, do you want to bet your life that none of our liberal Senators make it official and jump to the Democrats, or independents caucusing with Democrats, to make it a 50-50 tie?

Whatever is going to be done, it must be done quickly and resolutely. If we're gonna back Roy Moore, then we have to all agree that we're backing this horse, come what may (and what may be coming is further allegations -- and evidence, and growing moral qualms about pulling the lever for Moore, even if done with the intent of not electing Moore).

If we're gonna cut him loose, we have to agree on way to cut him loose him that still keeps the seat Republican. And we have to agree on that quickly, and then stick with that.

The election is December 12th, less than a month away. I really think we have to put aside concerns (real concerns, admittedly) about having imperfect information and what's fair to Roy Moore and focus ruthlessly on what is necessary to keep this seat.

It's time to be as ruthless as MacBeth: "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well/It were done quickly."

Corrected: Commenters tell me the seat comes up for re-election in 2020, not 2018, and I believe them.

Posted by: Ace at 07:31 PM

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1 Roy, at this point, has to win.

No going back now.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 14, 2017 07:29 PM (nUkMr)

2 I thought the seat was to fill sessions term and that was 4 years...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:30 PM (O2RFr)

3 First

Posted by: Hotspur at November 14, 2017 07:31 PM (2AZTO)

4 Third.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 07:31 PM (+Dllb)

5 Fourt

Posted by: Hotspur at November 14, 2017 07:31 PM (2AZTO)

6 Who the heck has a yearbook in December?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 14, 2017 07:31 PM (IcT7t)

7 >>>I thought the seat was to fill sessions term and that was 4 years...

i thought i heard byron york say it was until 2018.

i could be wrong. Most likely I am.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:31 PM (8rNrN)

8 Sixth

Posted by: Hotspur at November 14, 2017 07:31 PM (2AZTO)

9 Not to worry Ace, they shot their bolt way too early on this one. He will win by double digits come election night.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 07:32 PM (+Dllb)

10 LOL

Loser!

Posted by: Hotspur at November 14, 2017 07:32 PM (2AZTO)

11 maybe york said that the appointment could have run until the elections of 2018.

If it's a longer stay, that just means it's more critical that Jones not be permitted to win.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:32 PM (8rNrN)

12 i thought i heard byron york say it was until 2018.

i could be wrong. Most likely I am.

I hope you are right

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:32 PM (O2RFr)

13 >>. Not to worry Ace, they shot their bolt way too early on this one. He will win by double digits come election night.

I don't think so, and I don't know what joy there'd be in Moore winning.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:33 PM (8rNrN)

14 >>>I thought the seat was to fill sessions term and that was 4 years...

i thought i heard byron york say it was until 2018.

i could be wrong. Most likely I am.
.
.
.He gets to fill Sessions seat until the 2020 election cycle. Strange was the temporary appointment until they could set up a special election is what I understand.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 07:33 PM (+Dllb)

15 McCain: Roy Moore 'Should Not Be a United States Senator'

Either should you cork head.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 14, 2017 07:33 PM (r9UYA)

16 I don't think so, and I don't know what joy there'd be in Moore winning.

I am with you

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:34 PM (O2RFr)

17 Yeah, fuck that.

Moore is clearly being smeared by those who oppress us.

Regardless of what events took place decades ago (far less damaging than what Bill Clinton ever did on a day that ended in "y") we cannot, we must not, allow the motherfuckers in the swamp to dictate to the people of Alabama who they should or should not elect as their Senator.

Posted by: That Guy at November 14, 2017 07:34 PM (zTikR)

18 Ace,

This election is for the remainder of Sessions' term, which ends in three years (January 2021).

This seat is a very big deal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 14, 2017 07:35 PM (wYseH)

19 First: The Republican Senators announce, more or less to a person, that if elected, Roy Moore would not be seated.

++++

Any scenario that has Moore winning the election and then the GOP taking the seat away from him is a non-starter. It would tear the party apart.

Ace failed to note a 3rd option: Support Moore now and then celebrate his victory when he wins the election.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 14, 2017 07:35 PM (FUu/Z)

20 I vote for torches and pitchforks.

Or a stripper/pornstar candidate.

Posted by: Weasel at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (Sfs6o)

21 I hope Judge Moore stays in the race... They've got nothing!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (e9G8E)

22 I'm all for the voting for Moore and replacing him with another when he is not seated... Unless of course somersetting comes out that shows his innocence...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (O2RFr)

23 Stand with Moore.

Most of these congressional assholes are my-friend-across-the-aisle buddies with guys like Menendez, who was doing about the same, if not worse than Moore.

Screw'em all, they're all corrupt perverts as far as I care, so one more won't count.

I don't have to love who he is; all that matters is that he votes for my interests, period.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (q6jjE)

24 Rudy Roy Moore? Dolemite?

Posted by: Adobe Juan Kenobe at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (GnhLE)

25 >>>Moore is clearly being smeared by those who oppress us.

It's not clear to many. I was initially suspicious but the articles about people in Gadsden chattering about this for decades makes me believe there's enough truth here.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (8rNrN)

26 Any scenario that has Moore winning the election and then the GOP taking the seat away from him is a non-starter. It would tear the party apart.

Like it isn't already torn apart?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:37 PM (O2RFr)

27 >>>Most of these congressional assholes are my-friend-across-the-aisle buddies with guys like Menendez, who was doing about the same, if not worse than Moore.

they were hitting on 14 year olds?

I don't know about "just as bad as."

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:37 PM (8rNrN)

28 7 >>>I thought the seat was to fill sessions term and that was 4 years...

i thought i heard byron york say it was until 2018.

i could be wrong. Most likely I am.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:31 PM (8rNrN)

++++

That term ends 2020.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 14, 2017 07:37 PM (pvjTE)

29 >>>Any scenario that has Moore winning the election and then the GOP taking the seat away from him is a non-starter. It would tear the party apart.

not really.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:37 PM (8rNrN)

30 The fact that so many are trying so hard to derail Moore is all the more reason for him persevere!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at November 14, 2017 07:39 PM (e9G8E)

31 Not to worry Ace, they shot their bolt way too early on this one. He will win by double digits come election night.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 07:32 PM (+Dllb)

Yeah, but did he do it? Is he some slimy, little girl-loving perv who'd jump at the chance to join Bill Clinton on a private jet trip to Pedophile Island?

I'm about sick of these people--all of them. It isn't too much to ask of our politicians that they not behave like fucking Caligula.

Posted by: troyriser at November 14, 2017 07:39 PM (my7fr)

32 Jeff Sessions can fill my seat any day!

Posted by: shep at November 14, 2017 07:39 PM (BoMuO)

33 Missed the newness.

Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 14, 2017 07:39 PM (NWiLs)

34 Nope, I'm behind Moore 100 %.

It's all just lies, and we need a honey badger in the Senate.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at November 14, 2017 07:40 PM (Ktb8D)

35 >>>The fact that so many are trying so hard to derail Moore is all the more reason for him persevere!

Agreed.

Posted by: Anthony "Carlos Danger" Weiner at November 14, 2017 07:40 PM (8rNrN)

36 I'm gonna say it even though it's not popular.... I think Moore is creepy and most likely guilty of at least some of this.. I also think it stinks that all these "victims" waited till now after 40 years to come out... Nobody,except the Dems, wins here

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:40 PM (O2RFr)

37 If McConnell and McCain are against it, I'm for it. Go Roy!

Posted by: Under Fire at November 14, 2017 07:40 PM (r9UYA)

38 The Republicans aren't going to get this seat. If they magically replaced Moore three days before the election, The Washington Post would have something ready for whoever replaced them. Don't think this hasn't been mapped out.

This is about Democrats getting power by any means necessary. To destroy Trump, they need the House and Senate back, and given the Republicans who seem to automatically side with Democrats, they already have a nice handicap going.

Posted by: TB at November 14, 2017 07:40 PM (wNx6K)

39 It would be easier to convince people to vote for Moore, then let him argue to keep the seat to which he was duly elected until convicted of a crime a la pedo Menendez.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2017 07:40 PM (BoMuO)

40 Anyone here talking about how the signature in the yearbook has some issues?

Moore was not D.A. in 1977.

The "Y" in the name Roy is different than Moore's signature.

The letters D. A. after his name appears to be written by different person.

The Olde Hickory House appears to be written by different person.

The yearbook came out right before Christmas? They usually come out right before the school year ends the spring/early summer.

The part of the signature "Moore" and D. A. and the restaurant and date appear to be written in blue ink and the rest in black ink.

Look up Thomas Wictor on Twitter.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 07:41 PM (8b+oT)

41 >>>>>>>Any scenario that has Moore winning the election and then
the GOP taking the seat away from him is a non-starter. It would tear
the party apart.

not really.
.
.
.Yes really. The gop(e) would be saying that State elections do not matter. Like him or not, accusations aside, the man is innocent until proven guilty. And this has all of the markings of a political hit job.

I say let the people of AL decide and we go from there.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 07:41 PM (+Dllb)

42 So the new rule is if you have someone accusing you of inappropriate behavior 35+ years ago you aren't fit to hold office?

Is this the rule they want to go with? I have a friend who was a page back in the early 80s and the stories he has about what went on in DC with Congresscritters and 16-18 year old boys and girls!

DC would be a ghost town....which doesn't sound so bad actually

Posted by: DitkaCA at November 14, 2017 07:41 PM (kVjCi)

43 Or parade out women who claim the Democrat diddled them as a teen.

Scorched earth. Make all options unpalatable. People stay home in disgust.

Posted by: Count Floyd at November 14, 2017 07:41 PM (eJdrh)

44 Rudy Roy Moore? Dolemite?
Posted by: Adobe Juan Kenobe at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (GnhLE)

Ummmmmm.....Yes.

Can you dig it?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 14, 2017 07:41 PM (nUkMr)

45 26 Any scenario that has Moore winning the election and then the GOP taking the seat away from him is a non-starter. It would tear the party apart.

Like it isn't already torn apart?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:37 PM (O2RFr)

++++

It's nothing compared to taking a guy who just got elected and refusing to allow him to assume the office. Especially since the allegations were aired before the election. The people get to make the decision, not DC rats.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 14, 2017 07:42 PM (FUu/Z)

46
In the meantime while we ponder...

here's a kitten called Stevie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6Fvo6_zCc

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 07:43 PM (oF/3c)

47 It's nothing compared to taking a guy who just got elected and refusing to allow him to assume the office. Especially since the allegations were aired before the election. The people get to make the decision, not DC rats.

I believe it would take 2/3's of the Senate to do that.. They may or may not have that

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:43 PM (O2RFr)

48 I'm sticking with Roy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 07:43 PM (60v4h)

49

The problem is: He won't be seated.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 07:44 PM (oF/3c)

50 If we're gonna back Roy Moore, then we have to all agree that we're
backing this horse, come what may (and what may be coming is further
allegations -- and evidence
---
Or we just do it without the agreement of the foreigners in D.C. and let them vote to kick him out going into an election year.

Under no circumstances can the gope be allowed any face-saving move here, much less get one of their own for the seat.

Oh and if they go nuclear, when the seat comes up in 2020, run a write in campaign for Moore.

As for further allegations and evidence. Any evidence presented in the future will be the first evidence, and typically when you're claiming something you want to supply some applicable evidence first so people don't tune you out.

As for allegations, they're already so far down to the bottom of the bimbo barrel that the trotted Allred out for it. That means their most credible allegations lie behind them.

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2017 07:44 PM (XQvuQ)

51 Or we just throw money at Moore and the people in AL vote for him. We just might win something even better than a Senate seat, an end to this scandal a few weeks before elections that the media pull over and over and we keep falling for. Muh sacred honor requires we all denounce and abandon because some idiot at Bezos' Blog made some crap up? Bah!

Democrats NEVER do this. Why do we fall for it every time? Fall over each other to be the first to virtue signal how morally superior we are that it is better to nobly lose than win?

If Moore came out and confessed to every charge alleged it would have zero legal implications. For the same reason the legal system has a Statute of Limitations society should as well. Let. It. Go.

Btw, have you -ever-heard of a perv suddenly quitting their perving as they grow in power, wealth and political influence? So where are the current accusers? Huh?

Posted by: John Morris at November 14, 2017 07:44 PM (yd+8u)

52 I don't know where they are coming up with this idea that the winner of an election has to be backed by a party.

It seems odd on it's face.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 07:44 PM (60v4h)

53 Strange to me that Moore has been in political hot spots for decades and only now, when all the sexual assault allegations have been news du jour, do 40 year old accusations surface.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 07:44 PM (8b+oT)

54 If Judge Moore were a homosexual, and actually raped adolescent boys, and boasted about it, they'd name an aircraft carrier after him...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (e9G8E)

55 If Moore could find anyway to dispute these charges that would help... So far he hasn't... That says a lot

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (O2RFr)

56 I've said it before and I'll say it again, but racist/sexist/homophobe has lost its power. They've been overplayed and are now worthless. What has power now?

Rape. Child abuse. Child sexual abuse.

It's just a matter of time until it's you guys, (R)s. Just like Moore and Trump, Gloria will be prancing her little dancing monkeys in front of the cameras for some of your elections soon.

So who will stand for you when you're accused?

No, really. Why should they?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 07:46 PM (8Zprg)

57 >>>>
I don't know where they are coming up with this idea that the winner of an election has to be backed by a party.

It seems odd on it's face.
.
.
.He agreed to the Party rules when he ran as a Republican in the Primary. He could have chosen to run as Independent but he didn't and he is bound by the rules he signed off on.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 07:46 PM (+Dllb)

58 >>>Under no circumstances can the gope be allowed any face-saving move here, much less get one of their own for the seat.

and if Doug Jones wins, which I think he will?

You're ignoring some possibilities so that you can just focus on the preferability of one possiblity: "Moore wins, GOPe humbled."

What if he doesn't and we now have a Dem senator sitting there until 2020?

Posted by: Anthony at November 14, 2017 07:46 PM (8rNrN)

59 It's not clear to many. I was initially suspicious but the articles about people in Gadsden chattering about this for decades makes me believe there's enough truth here.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (8rNrN)

But remember when Roy was making a name for himself with the Ten Commandments issue? Why wouldn't the Commiecrats shoot their load then? Sexual harassment was still an issue with the Clarence Thomas Kangaroo Court then too.

I am betting, when this is all over, that this will be shown to be a Demunist smear job and nothing else.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 14, 2017 07:46 PM (ujg0T)

60 In the absence of any evidence that he did this, what gives the GOP the right to refuse to seat him if he wins?

Posted by: Bill R. at November 14, 2017 07:46 PM (IuYIh)

61 It's not clear to many. I was initially suspicious but the articles about people in Gadsden chattering about this for decades makes me believe there's enough truth here.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (8rNrN)

Sorta like the story about the "fight" Senator Paul was having with his neighbor?

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 14, 2017 07:46 PM (7UW64)

62 Gosh Ace, whatever you do, don't let the people of Alabama, who are familiar with the man, decide his fate.

Posted by: artemis at November 14, 2017 07:46 PM (AwPyG)

63 Who cares if the Senate slips to 50-50, or if the dems take it. Honestly...what would change? Nada. Such a disgusting farce, all of it.

Posted by: lizabth at November 14, 2017 07:47 PM (y849F)

64 27>>they were hitting on 14 year olds?

>>I don't know about "just as bad as."

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:37 PM (8rNrN)

underage prostitutes? Yeah, i'd say that's worse than hitting on 14 year-olds.

Also, this is just my own biases and cynicism, but I'm willing to bet a fair share of congress critters have had their taste of jailbait.

With all the BS they pull on the voters, and from what I know of high-rolling business culture, I'm sick of assuming that these guys are all nice and wonderful family men. So quite honestly, I don't really care if he did hit on 14 year-olds.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 07:47 PM (q6jjE)

65 55 If Moore could find anyway to dispute these charges that would help... So far he hasn't... That says a lot
Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (O2RFr)

This is the thing about presumption of innocence and exactly what Ace was bringing up last thread. The burden should not be on the accused to prove his innocence, but the accuser to provide credible evidence of guilt. So far, a lot of their 'evidence' has seemed a bit shaky.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 14, 2017 07:47 PM (rb1zT)

66 >>>It's just a matter of time until it's you guys, (R)s. Just like Moore and Trump, Gloria will be prancing her little dancing monkeys in front of the cameras for some of your elections soon.

So who will stand for you when you're accused?

No, really. Why should they?

...

it's true that this is a real possibility that should be a cause of concern.

but I prioritize keeping this seat higher, just because this particular battle ends in 28 days. We have lots of time to work on the concern that this tactic will be used as a bludgeon.

Posted by: Anthony at November 14, 2017 07:47 PM (8rNrN)

67 49

The problem is: He won't be seated.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 07:44 PM (oF/3c)

The GOPee dont wanna go there.

Posted by: Golfman - with update punctuation issues at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (cqo4V)

68 @62...what a concept, eh?

Posted by: lizabth at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (y849F)

69 The man is a sex offender. With a record. Spent six months in Chino for exposing himself to an eight-year-old.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (ztrrs)

70 >>Who cares if the Senate slips to 50-50, or if the dems take it. Honestly...what would change? Nada. Such a disgusting farce, all of it.

Tax reform for one. And anything else they tried to do for the next couple years.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (/tuJf)

71 >>>35
>>>The fact that so many are trying so hard to derail Moore is all the more reason for him persevere!

Agreed.

Posted by: Anthony "Carlos Danger" Weiner at November 14, 2017 07:40 PM (8rNrN)

Was I just socked by the Boss?!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (e9G8E)

72 Anyone here talking about how the signature in the yearbook has some issues?
---
Hey don't let the fact that every bit of the allegations is obviously fraudulent get in the way of a good railroading.

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (XQvuQ)

73 It really pisses me off that WaPo is having success with this hit.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (XlbwU)

74 NOBODY FUCKS WITH THE JESUS!

Posted by: Roy Moore at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (ztrrs)

75 It's not clear to many. I was initially suspicious but the articles
about people in Gadsden chattering about this for decades makes me
believe there's enough truth here.

Posted by: ace
-----
I'm not so sure we trust the person who says people have been chattering about this for decades. If they had been, we probably would have heard that chattering bubble to the surface during the 10 commandments standoff.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (8b+oT)

76 The choice I want to avoid most is the one in which the Democrats manage to knock a candidate off the ballot without a vote or any evidence whatsoever.

I'm skeptical they can maintain momentum on this story much longer. There's nothing more really coming out, the worst seems to be on the table, and people aren't really having their minds changed (all those GOPe guys hated him already). If he has the lead still right now, I dunno if he'll ever lose it. Usually if someone is going to be dumped, he craters really fast.

Who knows? I leave the future in God's hands.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (39g3+)

77 So far, a lot of their 'evidence' has seemed a bit shaky.

We shall see.... It is starting to mount up against him...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (O2RFr)

78 >>>underage prostitutes? Yeah, i'd say that's worse than hitting on 14 year-olds.

Oh, that never came to anything. those prostitutes were hired by a political rival to say that.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (8rNrN)

79 55 If Moore could find anyway to dispute these charges that would help... So far he hasn't... That says a lot

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (O2RFr)

++++

He denied ever meeting the 14 year olds. What else would you have him do? Is he supposed to remember a detailed alibi for the moments in question 40 years ago?

It is a coordinated attack. If there were evidence against him, that would be different, but it is just the say so of political opponents.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (pvjTE)

80 He agreed to the Party rules when he ran as a Republican in the Primary. He could have chosen to run as Independent but he didn't and he is bound by the rules he signed off on.

So he's still a Republican. I'm not getting the argument. It's not a party election, it's a person election.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 07:49 PM (60v4h)

81 Eight year olds, Dude.

Posted by: Walter Sobachak at November 14, 2017 07:49 PM (ztrrs)

82 I'm not in Alabama, but if I were, I'd vote for Moore. This is nothing but a Uniparty hit job, in my opinion.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2017 07:49 PM (sdi6R)

83 Anything other than backing an innocent man named Roy Moore is just giving in to the Democrats and being a spineless pussy.

And just because his lead is down to 5 doesn't mean it'll keep trending that way. Also, when did we start trusting polls again????

Posted by: Country Boy at November 14, 2017 07:49 PM (3mPSt)

84 I don't care if Roy is a rat soup eating motherfucker.

He ain't the dem's or GOPe's rat soup eating motherfucker.

When you scream "WAR!" this is what it looks like......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 14, 2017 07:49 PM (nUkMr)

85 and the prostitute who claims she was underage when she had sex with Menendez was underage by a matter of months and claimed, dubiously, that she made special mention of her upcoming birthday, like a John would give a f---.

That actually was just a hit.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:49 PM (8rNrN)

86 Just needed to get that out.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 14, 2017 07:50 PM (XlbwU)

87 Let the election happen. Seat him. Appoint a special prosecutor who is mandated to go after all sexual crimes in Congress

Watch the swamp drain as if by magic.

Posted by: Lily(former Bronco Superfan) now of AoSHQ assassin in the night at November 14, 2017 07:50 PM (vfC/C)

88 How about Mitch McConnell resigns and the KY governor appoints a Republican. That would be a pickup, right?

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 07:50 PM (oVJmc)

89 When did polls go back to being reliable? What did I miss?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2017 07:51 PM (q6C1L)

90 If we go with option 1 or 2, we are collectively saying "smears and lies totally work."

So... EVERY GOP candidate will get this treatment from now on. At least every white man and woman who is heterosexual.

The Democrats have no problem lying and the media will do their bidding, no questions asked. Hell, there is a taped conversation with a reporter offering money for someone to lie. People will perjure themselves for money. It's not a problem in this world.

So... smears will become SOP.

Every potential GOP candidate will be smeared. Nationally, and maybe even locally.

No one will run on that GOP ticket since their lives will be destroyed if they do.

Democrats will own America, with a little help from their friends in the MSM.

Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 07:51 PM (aT+Bx)

91 We shall see.... It is starting to mount up against him...

Posted by: It's me donna
-----
The signature in the lady's yearbook has all kinds of issues with it. And they really like that signature.

Moore was not D.A. in 1977.

The "Y" in the name Roy is different than Moore's signature.

The letters D. A. after his name appears to be written by different person.

The Olde Hickory House appears to be written by different person.

The yearbook came out right before Christmas? They usually come out right before the school year ends the spring/early summer.

The
part of the signature "Moore" and D. A. and the restaurant and date
appear to be written in blue ink and the rest in black ink.

Look up Thomas Wictor on Twitter.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 07:51 PM (8b+oT)

92 Not to worry Ace, they shot their bolt way too early on this one. He will win by double digits come election night.

I don't think so, and I don't know what joy there'd be in Moore winning.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:33 PM (8rNrN)

The joy will be that an innocent man was able to defeat all the rotten forces against him. Like with Trump.

Make McConnell decide whether to seat him or not, and watch all hell break loose if he doesn't.

Posted by: Country Boy at November 14, 2017 07:51 PM (3mPSt)

93 but I prioritize keeping this seat higher, just because this particular battle ends in 28 days. We have lots of time to work on the concern that this tactic will be used as a bludgeon.

Posted by: Anthony at November 14, 2017 07:47 PM (8rNrN)

---

I have no concern whatsoever.

If the "law and order" slash "pro-Constitution" professional (R) politicians can't lean even slightly towards law and order and the Constitution, I'm fine believing every single accusation against every single one of them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 07:51 PM (8Zprg)

94 if elected, Roy Moore would not be seated.

-
Ahhh, hang him first then ask questions.

What I think: Elect him now with the agreement that, if elected, a full blown public hearing will be conducted and, if clear and convincing evidence of misconduct is presented, then he will be expelled. Not a bad idea to tie this to Menendez as well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 14, 2017 07:51 PM (Nwg0u)

95 Ace,
This is how you sounded about Trump and look what happened!!!!
This situation has all the same hallmarks- the GOPe that we all hate running to the mics, repeating the exact same words, Gloria Allred, etc.
The only scenario in which Roy Moore should step down is if Mitch McConnell steps down TODAY, AS IN NOW.
Other than that, I think Roy Moore is being Chris McDanieled. Let them try to not seat him. The days of being passive are over.
McConnell, Karl Rove, and Steven Law are all behind this and the Washington post was all too happy to oblige.
Moore will win.

Posted by: Flowerbelle at November 14, 2017 07:51 PM (AkAvN)

96 >>>There's nothing more really coming out,

story that the mall barred him came out last night or yesterday.

Story that there have been chitterings about this in Gadsden for years came out today.

Yearbook came out yesterday, I think.

I don't know where you get this idea that the worst is behind us.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:51 PM (8rNrN)

97 I was initially suspicious but the articles about people in Gadsden chattering about this for decades makes me
believe there's enough truth here.

But all they chattered about is that he dated high school girls. Not "he raped them" or even "he made nasty approaches" just "the guy sure likes 'em young don't he?"

And legally young. They stated several times he'd tell them he'd see them when they grew up a little. This is the problem: what he did was something I don't like, but it was over a short period of time decades ago. Dating legal aged girls isn't a firing offense, and even if it is a bit distasteful... its been ages, and zero said about it since then.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 07:52 PM (39g3+)

98 >>>>55 If Moore could find anyway to dispute these charges that would help... So far he hasn't... That says a lot

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (O2RFr)

This is the thing about presumption of innocence and exactly what
Ace was bringing up last thread. The burden should not be on the accused
to prove his innocence, but the accuser to provide credible evidence of
guilt. So far, a lot of their 'evidence' has seemed a bit shaky.
.
.
.So just because he can't disprove these charges he is guilty....seriously?

A lawyer once told me that you can never prove your innocence. We just have to look at the Duke rape case and the two boys who had absolute *proof* they were nowhere near where the alleged rape occurred but were still charged with forcible rape to see how that works out.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 07:52 PM (+Dllb)

99 You see, this is called precedent. A precedent was set when the media, the middle-left and "pro-women" organizations like NOW decided that rapist and predator Bill Clinton was fine and dandy as a president. So f*** the media and f*** the Republican establishment that set up this hit job (I'm not disputing the truth of the accusations, but true or false, how it came out was a certainly a textbook political op).

Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 14, 2017 07:52 PM (ppaKI)

100 Why wouldn't we force the Republican establishment to nullify the people's vote? If anyone is still confused who runs the show, that will teach them.

We can't vote our way out of this

Posted by: son of sonobi at November 14, 2017 07:52 PM (BTwZs)

101 Tax reform for one. And anything else they tried to do for the next couple years.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (/tuJf)

Boy. Youre a dreamer.

Posted by: SENATOR Susan Collins - with the assist from McTurtle at November 14, 2017 07:52 PM (cqo4V)

102 This was an op run by the GOP. Fuck them. Roy did nothing wrong. Put him in the Senate. If criminal charges are filed and he is found guilty then that's another story.

Can't let these intimidation tactics by totalitarians decide who The People may elect.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 07:52 PM (g4lFK)

103 >>>The joy will be that an innocent man was able to defeat all the rotten forces against him. Like with Trump.

how are you so sure he's innocent?

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:52 PM (8rNrN)

104 Couple of things
If he wins he wins, the senate cannot void an election and must seat him
He can only be removed from office for actions committed after he takes office
My friends in Alabama tell me is support is growing not shrinking and allegations have actually s icier the wind out of his appointment.

At least one of the accusers will be proven a liar within the next few weeks locally people are starting to come forward to dispute the accusers

Posted by: Jhaley59 at November 14, 2017 07:52 PM (of+54)

105 Criminal Charges or it didn't happen. It's that fucking simple.

This is not the Soviet Union.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 07:53 PM (g4lFK)

106

These stories are just too "neat" and tidy for me.

For example: the specific details regarding the 14 yr old: i) She was at the courthouse for a custody hearing, ii) Roy offered to "watch her" for her mother at the courthouse.

These details actually pre-empt an important question: Did Roy Moore know the girl's age/did the girl mislead Roy into thinking she was an adult?, AND establishes the fact Roy Moore regarded the girl as a "child" who needed adult supervision

Which leads to me believe this was a totally manufactured event.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 07:53 PM (oF/3c)

107 Yeah, but did he do it? Is he some slimy, little girl-loving perv who'd jump at the chance to join Bill Clinton on a private jet trip to Pedophile Island?

I'm about sick of these people--all of them. It isn't too much to ask of our politicians that they not behave like fucking Caligula.

Posted by: troyriser at November 14, 2017 07:39 PM (my7fr)

If that was the case, it would have been discovered long before now.

Sticking with an innocent man is the only decent option.

Posted by: Country Boy at November 14, 2017 07:54 PM (3mPSt)

108 I'm not really a Moore guy in general, but if the GOP wants to keep that seat, it's Moore or bust. There is no reslistic Plan B.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 14, 2017 07:54 PM (H5knJ)

109 I don't know where you get this idea that the worst is behind us

Just not seeing anything more coming out. We'll both see, but I think they've dumped it all at this point. Post said they had a 4 part series, and they've done their 4 days.

I have no dog in this hunt, he's not from my state, I have no power over what happens. His presence in the Senate wouldn't change anything, he's basically the same voting bloc that Sessions was. He maybe a nasty molesting piece of crap, but I've seen no evidence.

The worst thing that's come out is the mall banning but that story is looking a bit... spurious.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 07:54 PM (39g3+)

110 Say, didn't I hear that Ted Cruz's dad helped assassinate JFK or something?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 07:54 PM (8Zprg)

111 The election is December 12th, less than a month away. I really think we have to put aside concerns (real concerns, admittedly) about having imperfect information and what's fair to Roy Moore and focus ruthlessly on what is necessary to keep this seat.

So WaPo and Gloria Allred get to decide who is the Republican candidate even after the primary is long done?

This is the standard we want to adopt?

Yeah. Count me out.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2017 07:54 PM (dEQP3)

112

btw, why would a 14 yr old girl need anyone to "watch her" at the courthouse, especially male stranger?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 07:54 PM (oF/3c)

113 >>>
But all they chattered about is that he dated high school girls. Not "he raped them" or even "he made nasty approaches" just "the guy sure likes 'em young don't he?"

And legally young. They stated several times he'd tell them he'd see them when they grew up a little.

...

so he was just grooming them?

You don't have a problem with this, even assuming the assault and rape claims are bogus?

You don't think a lot of Republicans are going to have a problem with this?

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:55 PM (8rNrN)

114 Also... RE: the yearbook signature, lots of questions:

1. When do you get your yearbook? In the summer. Why is this girl carrying it around at Christmas?

2. "Olde" is misspelled. It's Old Hickory House

3. At the time, Moore was not DA, was Deputy DA. Why would he sign the yearbook DA?

4. The two sevens in the signature are different.

More here: https://twitter.com/hale4jesus/status/930219506852511744

Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 07:55 PM (aT+Bx)

115 and if Doug Jones wins, which I think he will?
--
Do you remember how you never really wanted to support Trump and never really thought he could win? And then he did?

Nobody takes these October surprises seriously anymore, except the political establishment which benefits from them. Let the voters of Alabama make the call.

It's not like you (or the rest of us that don't live there) have any right to choose their options for them.

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2017 07:55 PM (XQvuQ)

116 I'm gonna say it even though it's not popular.... I think Moore is creepy and most likely guilty of at least some of this.. I also think it stinks that all these "victims" waited till now after 40 years to come out... Nobody,except the Dems, wins here

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:40 PM (O2RFr)

I'm gonna say it even though it might not be popular: you are full of shit about Moore.

Posted by: Country Boy at November 14, 2017 07:55 PM (3mPSt)

117 >>>
So WaPo and Gloria Allred get to decide who is the Republican candidate even after the primary is long done?

This is the standard we want to adopt?

...

I think what's being decided is that Doug Jones will be the Alabama Senator for four miserable years and I would like to avoid that at almost any cost.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:55 PM (8rNrN)

118 I'm gonna say it even though it might not be popular: you are full of shit about Moore.

Yep. That's fair.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 07:56 PM (60v4h)

119 I want to see what Donald Trump says about it.

Posted by: ALH at November 14, 2017 07:56 PM (MYss1)

120 I could care less about keeping the Senate GOP except, I suppose, for the judiciary.

What the hell have they done with all the power we gave them, except scheme immediately for re-election?

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 14, 2017 07:56 PM (XlbwU)

121 Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: [stands up]
Boon: [stands up] Let's do it.
Bluto: [shouting] "Let's do it"!
Mitch Fuck U
Paul Fuck U
Grahamnesty Fuck U
Flake Double Fuck U

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 14, 2017 07:56 PM (bmkS9)

122 Don't care, this seat is too important and this act as a template for Dems to screw others running for office.

And the Senate acting like they have integrity to protect is laughable bullshit.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (U+nHb)

123 Vote for Moore to stick it to McConnell.
Then throw Moore into the same pit as Menedez.

See, if McConnell had any morals, they'd expel Menedez, and let Christie pick his replacement. Then who cares what happens to Moore.

Posted by: Iblis at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (RL0Wu)

124 >>>2. "Olde" is misspelled. It's Old Hickory House

no, someone found a contemporaneous ad calling it "OLDE Hickory House."

Please, Thomas Wictor is not a reliable source.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (8rNrN)

125 78 >>>underage prostitutes? Yeah, i'd say that's worse than hitting on 14 year-olds.

Oh, that never came to anything. those prostitutes were hired by a political rival to say that.
Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:48 PM (8rNrN)

Ok, but this is precisely the point -- we believe the prostitutes and lawyers who said after the fact that they were paid.

And so now we're believing whom about Moore because of what?

I have to say, I'm sick of this BS about having to sort out the kernel of truth in rumors, esp. when the press forces it into a witch hunt that tars all people they're against. I'm not playing that game, and I don't want them to keep playing it, and the only way they'll stop is if they stop winning with it.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (q6jjE)

126 I see the contingent of uniparty strap-ons have arrived. I'm out. Have a great and wonderful evening.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (r9UYA)

127 I think we can entirely disregard the Gloria Allred woman's story. Its weird, oddly specific in pointless details, confused, and the yearbook thing doesn't make any sense.

That leaves us with a couple girls who dated Moore and said nothing ill about him (no sexual activity at all), and one girl who claims he tried to put his hand down his underwear at age 14. That's really awful, but her story is troubled -- apparently her mom says that she never had a phone in her room then. She doesn't say when she told him she was 16, and clearly while he liked 16-19 year olds, he definitely had a pattern of rejecting girls too young.

So even if he actually did spend any time with her, he probably did so under the false understanding she was 16. And there's not only zero evidence of it, he denies it happened, and she's been caught out with one lie already.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (39g3+)

128 I'm going to have to decide if i want a 28day vacation from the blog, aren't I.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (60v4h)

129 Powell v. McCormick rules out any attempt not to seat Moore. The House tried to prevent Adam Clayton Powell from taking his seat. The Supreme Court held that as long as Powell was properly elected and fulfilled the qualifications required by the Constitution, the House could vote to expel him (2/3rds) but must allow him to take office absent an expulsion. Thus, the Senate could expel him but not refuse to seat him.

Similarly, the Alabama Sec. of State would probably lose a court challenge to Moore if he refuses to certify the election as he cannot as an official add qualifications beyond the Constitution (see U.S. Term Limits v. Thornton).

Alabama either has to pull a Torricelli with a favorable state judge to put someone else on the ballot, try a long shot write in (last successful attempt in the Senate was Murkowski against her own party's nominee and a Dem.) Or desert to the Dem.

Some of the worst accusations against Moore are looking kinda shaky and may fall apart but who knows what else is out there.

Posted by: whig at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (s8rl2)

130 If Moore could find anyway to dispute these charges that would help... So far he hasn't... That says a lot

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (O2RFr)

WTF: how do you prove you DIDN'T do something??

The fact that you assume guilt says a lot.

Posted by: Country Boy at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (3mPSt)

131 84 I don't care if Roy is a rat soup eating motherfucker.

He ain't the dem's or GOPe's rat soup eating motherfucker.

When you scream "WAR!" this is what it looks like......
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 14, 2017 07:49 PM (nUkM

AAA+++

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (4u7kU)

132 The worst thing that's come out is the mall banning but that story is looking a bit... spurious.

I don't see how this is anything but gossip and urban legend from unaccountable people.

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (oVJmc)

133 but I prioritize keeping this seat higher, just because this particular
battle ends in 28 days. We have lots of time to work on the concern that
this tactic will be used as a bludgeon.
---
Why do you care so much about preserving a senate 'majority' that has failed to do much of anything? They are going to continue to fail to do anything useful through next year's elections regardless of what happens in Alabama.

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2017 07:58 PM (XQvuQ)

134 >>>I could care less about keeping the Senate GOP except, I suppose, for the judiciary.

kind of an enormous exception, isn't it?

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:58 PM (8rNrN)

135 The other option is to back a dem who believes in killing a baby up until the day it is born, so there is that.

Posted by: Jomcdowe at November 14, 2017 07:58 PM (q8OQc)

136 The Gadsden chatterings had the opposite effect on me. Everyone has known for years, but no one looked into it till now? No one ever did oppo research on a guy who has run for statewide office multiple times and uncovered what everyone knew?

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 14, 2017 07:58 PM (H5knJ)

137 >>>Why do you care so much about preserving a senate 'majority' that has failed to do much of anything?

judges

you want that to end? Lots of circuit court seats to be filled, and half of the Supreme Court is physically decrepit.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:58 PM (8rNrN)

138 >>>>So WaPo and Gloria Allred get to decide who is the Republican candidate even after the primary is long done?

This is the standard we want to adopt?

...

I think what's being decided is that Doug Jones will be the Alabama
Senator for four miserable years and I would like to avoid that at
almost any cost.

.
.
.Uh it won't be four years.....it will be two years even if he wins. And I don't want to get banned or anything but Ace you are judging a man on accusations and letting your judgement be clouded by what might happen to what is going to be an inconsequential Senate seat in the long run.

I say let the people of AL decide who they want to represent them.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 07:59 PM (+Dllb)

139 When Gloria Allred jumps in, the worst is behind us. I thought that the Post would be holding back until Moore denied... but that didn't happen.Moore talked to Hannity and right now is the "he's on the ropes, let's finish him" part of the smear.

Just FYI, I tried to look up some of the people in the articles ace mentioned- one was a waitress who said that Moore was creepy. She has a facebook page, and she supports Doug Jones. Imagine that

Posted by: Wacko at November 14, 2017 07:59 PM (uQ4B2)

140 George Bush senior was a serial groper and everyone knew it, they always do, no one seemed to have a "problem" with him.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 07:59 PM (U+nHb)

141 I want Moore to win.
Don't know or care if he is Jack the Ripper.
This is a battle between DC insiders and deplorables.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 14, 2017 07:59 PM (hMwEB)

142 I seem to remember the primary for this race was rather heated as well. Where were these accusers then? They could have ended him then. Why not?

I do not know what this guy did. At this point, I do not care.

IS HE DOING IT NOW? Has he ever used his power of office to do it? That should be the real concern. Not some he-said she-said bullshit that no one can ever confirm or deny from nearly half a century ago.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at November 14, 2017 07:59 PM (nILVB)

143 Or,.... the GOPe could stop sabotaging him because he WON the primary... vice their intended GOPe squish....

You know... fight back? support him???

Instead of piling on?

Reagans 11th Commandment.... they certainly don't support it...

They could have just SHUT THE FUCK UP.... instead they gave the attack credibility....

Posted by: I am Groot!! at November 14, 2017 07:59 PM (NgKpN)

144
Don't worry about it. We'll punish the gope cucks even harder in the 2018 midterms if need be.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:00 PM (oF/3c)

145 130 If Moore could find anyway to dispute these charges that would help... So far he hasn't... That says a lot

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (O2RFr)

WTF: how do you prove you DIDN'T do something??

The fact that you assume guilt says a lot.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (3mPSt)

^^^THIS!!!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 08:00 PM (q6jjE)

146 story that the mall barred him came out last night or yesterday.

Story that there have been chitterings about this in Gadsden for years came out today.

Yearbook came out yesterday, I think.

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I don't know whether Moore acted improperly or not. I do know that all of the above is mere inuendo. Moore allegedly flirted with girls? What does that even mean! That he talked to girls? Maybe joked around with them? Burn the witch! They are implying that his state of mind was to get into underage pants and they cannot know that. This smells like smear.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Nwg0u)

147 so he was just grooming them?

You can't 'groom' legal age girls. That term specifically is about underage kids you're "training" to think sexually about you and life when they are not ready to and shouldn't be.

You don't have a problem with this, even assuming the assault and rape claims are bogus?

I think its nasty and I wouldn't do it but ace it was almost 40 years ago. For a couple years he hit on high school girls, then stopped. He got married. He never has had the slightest whisper about it ever since. Are you seriously going to tell me there's nothing you did in your past that was stupid or regrettable that you left behind?

You don't think a lot of Republicans are going to have a problem with this?

In Alabama?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:00 PM (39g3+)

148 Roy Moore is holding a campaign event right now.

Posted by: ALH at November 14, 2017 08:00 PM (MYss1)

149 I'd rather fight and die standing than die acting as a fucking doormat for our betters to walk over.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (g4lFK)

150 This is one of the oldest political tricks around. The f'n GOP is in on it too. Every one of them is a scumbag.

Posted by: freaked at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (UdKB7)

151 Roy Moore is holding a campaign event right now.

I imagine he will hold one or more every day for the next month.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (60v4h)

152
Also, isn't it true one of these women are former Biden employees? And she was very "impeach Trump" on social media and then deleted all that a few days ago?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (oF/3c)

153 >>>Uh it won't be four years.....it will be two years even if he wins. And I don't want to get banned or anything but Ace you are judging a man on accusations and letting your judgement be clouded by what might happen to what is going to be an inconsequential Senate seat in the long run.

i have no obligations to Moore personally. My interest in him is entirely political.

And i'm not judging him -- I'm judging the likelihood of retaining, or losing, this seat.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (8rNrN)

154 >>Uh it won't be four years.....it will be two years even if he wins. And I don't want to get banned or anything but Ace you are judging a man on accusations and letting your judgement be clouded by what might happen to what is going to be an inconsequential Senate seat in the long run.

It can't really be both so important that the Dems would run a last minute hit on a guy which will eventually be discovered and an unimportant seat.

I really don't get the idea that this is an unimportant seat. Yea, the Senate hasn't covered itself is glory this year but if it goes you can kiss off the rest of the Trump agenda cause nothing will happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (/tuJf)

155
Giving the Dims any victory against Moore will encourage more of the same.

Other Republicans better think long and hard about this.

Or prepare to go hammer and tongs on the Dims with the same type of accusations.

Better to straight up say Moore may or may not be a flawed individual but right now it's all hands on deck to save America and we can't allow the Dims even a smidgen of power,

so flawed or not saving America is more important than indulging a Democrat witch hunt.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (9q7Dl)

156 130 If Moore could find anyway to dispute these charges that would help... So far he hasn't... That says a lot

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (O2RFr)

This is why they don't let even the fucking IRS go back 40 years. You think he keeps an alibi in his pocket. This why they do this like this.

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (4u7kU)

157 (That last one was hard, but this one is harder.)

That's what she said.

Posted by: Michael Scott at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (GsAUU)

158 The Trump wars have returned.

Once again we get to separate the men from the pussies.

Posted by: Country Boy at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (3mPSt)

159 111
So WaPo and Gloria Allred get to decide who is the Republican candidate even after the primary is long done?

This is the standard we want to adopt?

Yeah. Count me out.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2017 07:54 PM (dEQP3)

Margarita DeVille said something similar the other night. Why not just let the WaPo pick senators and dispense with elections?

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (sdi6R)

160 >>>The other option is to back a dem who believes in killing a baby up until the day it is born, so there is that.

Yeah, Doug Jones is an unrepentant and avowed leftist in a state that despises most of his worldview. Points to him for honesty but make no doubt as senator he'll vote against his state on every occasion.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (ppaKI)

161
If Judge Moore were a homosexual, and actually raped adolescent boys, and boasted about it, they'd name an aircraft carrier after him...
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM

Congress would give him a standing ovation.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (IqV8l)

162 145 130 If Moore could find anyway to dispute these charges that would help... So far he hasn't... That says a lot

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (O2RFr)

WTF: how do you prove you DIDN'T do something??

The fact that you assume guilt says a lot.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 14, 2017 07:57 PM (3mPSt)

^^^THIS!!!
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 08:00 PM (q6jjE)

Uh.... he has consistently and constantly denied these charges...

What else can he do?

Posted by: Don Q., Arcanist at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (NgKpN)

163 Getting rid of Moore is cover for the republicans to fight Trump and blame it on Dems. They jumped on the bandwagon pretty fast. pricks...them acting like they are all full of integrity. It's sickening.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (U+nHb)

164 Please, Thomas Wictor is not a reliable source.
--

OK.

Then how about the fact that the 7's are different?

And why would he write DA when he was DDA at the time?

Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (aT+Bx)

165 Why vote? If our betters are going to nix whoever wins primaries to their own purpose to install their cronies and get away with it why bother? This is essentially what the Club wants. Please remember this same scenario was played out with Trump also. It is incredibly similar really.

Posted by: Lester at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (LfJIn)

166 Seriously, what is the objection to Moore? That he's a creepy dude that it's "icky" for us to be associated with?

Wasn't that the whole argument of NeverTrump?

If the guy did nothing illegal, and from what I can tell there's absolutely no evidence that he did, why should I give up to the Democrats a seat that I want to use to move my agenda forward?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (q6jjE)

167 Anti-Moore UniParty has momentum. They will keep making shiite up until the election.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (IWbvi)

168 .
[ ] A few decades of acceptable judges chosen by "our" side

[ ] A newly accepted precedent regarding "acceptable" elected officials chosen by "our" side.

Pick one.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (8Zprg)

169 i used to dislike Roy Moore very much

now i love him!

he's the best choice and you know it

Posted by: happyfeet at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (mLfQi)

170 I don't have any problem with replace. Why would I--I'm from Connecticut. But there's something unsettling about violating the principle of "innocent until proven guilty." At that point, everyone becomes vulnerable.

Posted by: Caliban at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (QE8X6)

171 >>>You don't think a lot of Republicans are going to have a problem with this?

In Alabama?

...

The age of consent in alabama isn't 14 so yeah. If they thought it should be lower they would have the political power to make it lower.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (8rNrN)

172 Let Alabama voters decide? Meanwhile, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Honestly, if losing this seat spells doom for the GOP, then good riddance.

Of course, you could set focus on an ACTUAL scandal, the use of taxpayer money to settle sexual harassment complaints against sitting members of the US Congress and their staff members. What did Paul Ryan know, and when did he know it?

Also, have all the HW Bush accusers been heard yet? I suspect not.

Posted by: Born Free at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (11xs4)

173 the yearbook thing is obviously, laughably, fake btw

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (hMwEB)

174 117 >>>
So WaPo and Gloria Allred get to decide who is the Republican candidate even after the primary is long done?

This is the standard we want to adopt?

...

I think what's being decided is that Doug Jones will be the Alabama Senator for four miserable years and I would like to avoid that at almost any cost.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:55 PM (8rNrN)

++++

If that happens, it will have been the result of GOPe types who sabotaged their own candidate. The only way the GOP retains that seat is if Moore takes it.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (FUu/Z)

175 My biggest concern here is that all it apparently takes to destroy an election or a candidate (Republican at least) is to trot out some accusers and have a newspaper carry the story. That is not a line I really care to cross because if it works once...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (39g3+)

176 Giving the Dims any victory against Moore will encourage more of the samePosted by: naturalfake at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (9q7Dl)

You mean GUARANTEES more of the same, don't you

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (4u7kU)

177 "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well/It were done quickly."

That's what she said. . . . or, he said.

Posted by: Michael Scott at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (GsAUU)

178 156 130 If Moore could find anyway to dispute these charges that would help... So far he hasn't... That says a lot

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2017 07:45 PM (O2RFr)

This is why they don't let even the fucking IRS go back 40 years. You think he keeps an alibi in his pocket. This why they do this like this.
Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (4u7kU)

Hell... I'm lucky if I can remember shit from last week....

40 years ago? lets see... I was 18...

Posted by: Don Q., Arcanist at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (NgKpN)

179 It reminds me a little of the Clarence Thomas hearings. The accusations were weak and implausible, but the pressure to step down was enormous. Thomas weathered it, and they haven't tried the "pervert" tack again with SC justices., because they know they lost that round.

Posted by: artemis at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (AwPyG)

180 Can anyone here (or anywhere) who has ever been alone, or had the opportunity to be alone in a room with another human PROVE you didn't make improper advances or attempt the sexual assault of that person? Can that person PROVE they didn't attempt to sexually assault you?

Posted by: OCBill at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (df+Zi)

181 162>>Uh.... he has consistently and constantly denied these charges...

What else can he do?
Posted by: Don Q., Arcanist at November 14, 2017 08:02 PM (NgKpN)

Yeah, I agree. Sorry if it was unclear.

If someone says you said stuff to them 20-30 years ago, how do you prove that you didn't?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (q6jjE)

182
Also realize that the most recent accuser would never have materialized had the previous accusers accomplished to get Moore out of the race.

What does that tell you?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (oF/3c)

183 All I need to know about this- what should be a local story for AL voters- is that David French, Evan McMuffin, the Turtle, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, and Cruise Director Kristol, are all full-bore against Moore, and all immediately started jumping up and down trying to draw more attention to this.

If you actually care about winning (even if you oppose Moore), you'd ignore this story. There's nothing to be gained by turning this into the major news story nationwide. They did the opposite.

Posted by: Wacko at November 14, 2017 08:05 PM (uQ4B2)

184 173 the yearbook thing is obviously, laughably, fake btw
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (hMwEB)

------

Agree, I laughed out loud.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:05 PM (U+nHb)

185 See this is where watching politics after dark comes in handy.

Anybody else hear the interview Moore gave the other night on Hannity. It was not good.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:05 PM (/tuJf)

186 As they say in college rape court and family law, file fucking criminal charges or shut the fuck up. It's that simple. Just have to have the balls to fight back

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:05 PM (g4lFK)

187 I'm under the impression that a lot of GOPe are not running for re-elections.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2017 08:05 PM (q6C1L)

188 **the yearbook thing is obviously, laughably, fake btw**

yes yes it's completely phony

Posted by: happyfeet at November 14, 2017 08:05 PM (mLfQi)

189 >>>>Uh it won't be four years.....it will be two years even if he wins. And I
don't want to get banned or anything but Ace you are judging a man on
accusations and letting your judgement be clouded by what might happen
to what is going to be an inconsequential Senate seat in the long run.

i have no obligations to Moore personally. My interest in him is entirely political.

And i'm not judging him -- I'm judging the likelihood of retaining, or losing, this seat.

.
.
.Ace why do you care if the Republicans hold this seat? Honest question....as nothing and I mean nothing has been done in the Senate since Trump got elected.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 08:05 PM (+Dllb)

190 179

If it works this time with Moore, expect to see it on a regular basis moving forward.

Posted by: OCBill at November 14, 2017 08:05 PM (df+Zi)

191 176 Giving the Dims any victory against Moore will encourage more of the samePosted by: naturalfake at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (9q7Dl)

You mean GUARANTEES more of the same, don't you
Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (4u7kU)

McConnell has already guaranteed it... as has RYAN.... as has SESSIONZZZZZZZZ... by publically stating they believe the accusers...

Even though they have not met them... have not investigated this... have most probably not talked to the Judge....

Posted by: Don Q., Arcanist at November 14, 2017 08:06 PM (NgKpN)

192 'This is about Democrats getting power by any means necessary. To destroy Trump, they need the House and Senate back,'

I think this is really about SCOTUS. That is where the true desperation of the Left lies.

Posted by: harry lime at November 14, 2017 08:06 PM (ALDN3)

193 It's entirely possible (even likely) that to many voters in Alabama won't vote for Moore. I'm not familiar enough with AL politics to know who would be a palatable write - in candidate. I see a real danger in losing the seat (Todd Akin comes to mind), regardless of guilt/innocence.
It'd be nice if Trump made the call here.

Posted by: Parker at November 14, 2017 08:06 PM (vYEdl)

194 >>ce why do you care if the Republicans hold this seat? Honest question....as nothing and I mean nothing has been done in the Senate since Trump got elected.

Accept all the judges. Kind of a big fucking deal.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:06 PM (/tuJf)

195
Think about it:

The last accuser's claims escalated the charges against Moore. And she just suddenly appeared.

Someone is orchestrating this.

The next accuser will be, what, a 11 yr old nun and he raped her?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:07 PM (oF/3c)

196 Best for POTUS to appeal to Sessions to do what is right. Then replace him as AG. Win-win.

Posted by: harry lime at November 14, 2017 08:07 PM (ALDN3)

197 many of you are assuming that Roy Moore will win and therefore to propose a Torricelli Maneuver is a frustration of the voters' will.

I do not make that assumption. I assume he will lose. I assume the voters' will will be, on December 12th, that Doug Jones will be the junior senator from Alabama.

we can't prove our prognostications about the future until the future arrives, but please don't misunderstand or misstate my position.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:07 PM (8rNrN)

198 he has to win, and needs to everything to win. the smear campaign against him will the replicated down the line if he does not; against every male Republican politician. this is a trial run.

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:07 PM (QC/4S)

199 Judge Moore all the way. Even if he loses, the RINO establishment squish the party appoints won't be much worse than the Democrat. Hell, Doug Jones might even vote Republican more often.

Lets not let this get out, but a devastating electoral judo move by Jones, would be to announce he intends to caucus with the Republicans. Of course, he would be lying and stab us in the back when it mattered - but you have to expect the same from the establishment squish.

Nope, this is Bannon (Trump) vs McConnell (GOPe). Let Bannon drag Moore home - this is a media war, he's the one who can win it.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:07 PM (9TU00)

200 196 replace him with Moore

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 14, 2017 08:07 PM (hMwEB)

201 Honestly, if losing this seat spells doom for the GOP, then good riddance.

---

Losing seat = doom
Refusing to seat = doom

Rah rah go team.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:07 PM (8Zprg)

202 I say Alabamans write-in Melania Trump!

Hey, if that hag Hillary can be a carpet-bagging Senator ...

Posted by: ShainS at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (BiLU+)

203 I think what's being decided is that Doug Jones will be the Alabama Senator for four miserable years and I would like to avoid that at almost any cost.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:55 PM (8rNrN)

And the process by which this is occurring is a hit piece by WaPo with a follow up by Allred.

*slams cards on table*

I am completely agnostic about if the charges against Moore are true. What I am NOT agnostic about is everyone losing their ever loving minds over accusations. There is one, precisely one, sort of piece of evidence, namely, the supposed yearbook signature.

Everything else is he said/she said. Everything.

Moore has denied all of this. There are valid reasons to doubt the supposed victims stories. There are valid reasons to find them credible. What there is not is proof of any kind.

I want people to take a very long and very hard and very deep look at what we are saying here. I want people to look back and remember the Kellers, who lost a quarter century of their lives, and the Ameraults, who lost nearly as much.

ace, if you want to game theory this out as to what must be done, that is fine. But do not avoid that who and what are the driving forces here. Do not avoid the power dynamics that are being created here.

If Moore did that of which he is accused, then I agree utterly that he should be replaced. The problem is that these are non-falsifiable claims and the acceptance thereof without something more than "I believe her" should concern us all.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (dEQP3)

204 Fuck A, I knew this would turn into Trump squishes 2.0

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (g4lFK)

205 176 Giving the Dims any victory against Moore will encourage more of the samePosted by: naturalfake at November 14, 2017 08:01 PM (9q7Dl)

You mean GUARANTEES more of the same, don't you
Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (4u7kU)

--Yeah, fuck 'em.

We joke about it, but this actually *is* a hill to die on.

Posted by: Michael Scott at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (GsAUU)

206 so, he has a month to get it together and win.

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (QC/4S)

207 Recall that the Salem Witch Trials were largely based on the accusations of young girls.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (sdi6R)

208

All I know is there'll be more accusers. More accusers will materialize until Roy Moore withdraws.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (oF/3c)

209 /regional manager sock

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (GsAUU)

210
This is why they don't let even the fucking IRS go back 40 years.
You think he keeps an alibi in his pocket. This why they do this like
this.
--

If this stands remember: EVERYONE can be framed.

EVERYONE.

Just make up a charge that can't be disproved and, if you're not gay, muslim, black or a democrat, you ARE guilty.

Just fabricate a charge that can't be disproved.

It goes like this:

"X politician was in my city on X day/ X year, preferable over 30 years ago. I met him in the hotel/ restaurant/other, and he took me into a room and exposed himself/ molested me. I have been silent because I was afraid."

Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (aT+Bx)

211 Accept all the judges. Kind of a big fucking deal.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:06 PM (/tuJf)

Last time I heard, they had cleared 13 judges.In 10 months

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (4u7kU)

212 The next accuser will be, what, a 11 yr old nun and he raped her?

Raped and murdered her.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (60v4h)

213 As Trump has shown, you can't win if you don't fight the media. And accusations coming fast and furiously.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (U+nHb)

214 >>>It'd be nice if Trump made the call here.

I thought of that but Trump himself is not popular among all sectors of the party -- especially the NeverTrump types most likely to defect in an election. I think whatever Trump called for would be reflexively rejected by the NeverTrump people.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (8rNrN)

215 When Bill Clinton is held accountable for raping Juanita Broderick and all the other wymenz who accused him, when Joey Choo Choo is shit canned from the party for being a creepy groper, when Skankles is ditched for being the co-conspirator of her STD ridden husband.... maybe then I'll give two shits about all of this.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 14, 2017 08:09 PM (oLTNb)

216
I looked it up, the age of consent in AL is 16. There are some exceptions, such as a teacher-student. The age is 19, there. A teacher can't bang a student under 19.

There was a case recently where a Alambam teacher, another one of the female teachers banging male students, was charged under that law, but a judge threw it out, because of some problem with the statute, he thought.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 14, 2017 08:09 PM (8O3HH)

217 I do not make that assumption. I assume he will lose. I assume the voters' will will be, on December 12th, that Doug Jones will be the junior senator from Alabama.

we can't prove our prognostications about the future until the future arrives, but please don't misunderstand or misstate my position.

Posted by: ace

OK, then McConnell should announce he won't seat him because of the Confederate ads. He's clearly a klan grand dragon.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:09 PM (9TU00)

218 @197

?? So why the post, ace?

Posted by: artemis at November 14, 2017 08:09 PM (AwPyG)

219 'The next accuser will be, what, a 11 yr old nun and he raped her?'

Nope.

Posted by: The ficus in the parlor at November 14, 2017 08:09 PM (UdKB7)

220 Simple. Vote for Moore. Vote early and often, just like a democrat would do.

Posted by: Fred at November 14, 2017 08:09 PM (fMoy8)

221 Trump needs to stay out of it.

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:09 PM (QC/4S)

222 I don't know if the yearbook thing is fake or not but here are my concerns:

1) The last name of Roy Moore appears to be in a different colored ink than the first and is slightly different in style.
2) The date is bizarre, who dates signatures?
3) The wording of the inscription is like some strange beatnick poet with odd grammar and syntax, very weird and not adult.
4) The date and location appear to be in different ink color
5) The location is printed in different handwriting than the rest of the writing
6) The name of the place is misspelled by someone sitting in the building at the time?
7) Why would she bring her yearbook to work on Christmas break?
8 ) and most compelling to me, something Tami pointed out earlier: why the hell didn't she do something to the signature after he tried to molest her? Seriously what 16 year old girl won't symbolically take it out on an awful old man like that in her yearbook, why is it pristine?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:09 PM (39g3+)

223 This is a very dangerous thing the McConnell gang is doing. It is an open attempt to usurp the Constitution in a manner any voter will recognize. It is an ultimate power play. The gauntlet has been thrown.

Posted by: gNewt at November 14, 2017 08:10 PM (X0SOM)

224 The next accuser will be, what, a 11 yr old nun and he raped her?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:07 PM (oF/3c)

============

More likely along the lines of an 11-year-old Shep Smith ...

Posted by: ShainS at November 14, 2017 08:10 PM (BiLU+)

225 Raped and murdered her.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (60v4h)

she got better

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 14, 2017 08:10 PM (hMwEB)

226 Ace, you assumed Trump would lose.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:10 PM (g4lFK)

227 >>>>many of you are assuming that Roy Moore will win and therefore to
propose a Torricelli Maneuver is a frustration of the voters' will.

I do not make that assumption. I assume he will lose. I assume the
voters' will will be, on December 12th, that Doug Jones will be the
junior senator from Alabama.

we can't prove our prognostications about the future until the
future arrives, but please don't misunderstand or misstate my position.

.
.
.And he will be the Junior Senator from Alabama for two years in a completely dysfunctional Senate that has accomplished absolutely nothing since Trump was elected.

At worst it will be a 50/50 break with Pence making multiple tie votes on Trump Judicial nominations until the 2018 election cycle. Absolutely nothing will change.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 08:10 PM (+Dllb)

228 I played a video of Clarence Thomas at ?Hillsdale? university for my parents. He was very charming and approachable. He referred to his wife of many years as his "bride".

Mom: wait but isn't he that pervert?
Dad: No that was someone else.

Of course. It had to be, right?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2017 08:10 PM (q6C1L)

229 Fuck that. This is the people of Alabama's seat to do whatever the fuck they want with it. Fuck Sessions and every other asshole in DC.

Posted by: Timon at November 14, 2017 08:10 PM (t+EJe)

230 >>Last time I heard, they had cleared 13 judges.In 10 months

Which is all because of Dem obstruction. But they are getting all of the ones Trump nominated through.

We lose the Senate and that ends.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:10 PM (/tuJf)

231 This all sounds like the convoluted ideas people were coming up with last summer before the GOP convention. Trump would definitely lose in the general, so some kind of sneaky maneuvering was necessary to deny him the nomination.

We were assured it wasn't about Trump himself. No, it had to be done to win the election.

Bullshit then and bullshit now. The way to win is to back our guy.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 14, 2017 08:11 PM (FUu/Z)

232 175 My biggest concern here is that all it apparently takes to destroy an election or a candidate (Republican at least) is to trot out some accusers and have a newspaper carry the story. That is not a line I really care to cross because if it works once...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:03 PM (39g3+)

^^THIS as well.

Besides, look at how many seasoned pols we've had who are already creepy AF. Bad Touch Biden? Ted Kennedy, for crying out loud? Clinton? Look at old poppy bush playing grab-ass. Heck, even Reagan was in Hollywood hopping beds for a good portion of his adult life.

I'm not saying it's something to condone...but the only reason it comes up like that is the media specifically frames it to take down people they don't like. When was the last time you heard a Democrat's private bad behavior described as something all Democrats had to condone?

They play that game because it works. If it takes down Moore, they will keep playing it. Screw that.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 08:11 PM (q6jjE)

233 judges

you want that to end? Lots of circuit court seats to be filled, and half of the Supreme Court is physically decrepit.
---
Somehow that has happened without Sessions present to vote. This fear your pushing that the senate will flip is based on asshattery from other senators, which is simply in their character and not a result of this election.

In answer to your question, if the cost of rejecting the gope hit job is that judicial nominations are frozen until after we fill the senate with Bannon acolytes next year, yeah I am content to go that route.

I get nothing I value by giving up the chance on 'conservative of whatever stripe that DC hates' in favor of 'sure vote for McConnell for majority leader'.

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (XQvuQ)

234
Of course, you could set focus on an ACTUAL scandal, the use of taxpayer money to settle sexual harassment complaints against sitting members of the US Congress and their staff members. What did Paul Ryan know, and when did he know it?

THIS is the body they say Roy Moore is too indecent to be a part of.

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (oVJmc)

235 well, given the whole fusion gps collusion fbi scam, why would we assume this is not some dem op too?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (vuY5x)

236 Doesn't it only matter if a court of law believes the accusers? WTF is McConnell ("I believe the accusers") to muddy the waters. On what proof does he base this on?

Repressed memories? Ufffffffffff

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (U+nHb)

237 >>>ace, if you want to game theory this out as to what must be done, that is fine. But do not avoid that who and what are the driving forces here. Do not avoid the power dynamics that are being created here.

If Moore did that of which he is accused, then I agree utterly that he should be replaced. The problem is that these are non-falsifiable claims and the acceptance thereof without something more than "I believe her" should concern us all.

...

I get that, but then there is Moore's curious manner of not denying the claims. When asked if he "dated" teenage girls while in his 30s, he said (On Hannity-- not an adversarial interview) "Not generally, no."

http://tinyurl.com/y7wu6frz

everyone here knows why someone answers in that way: When they're attempting a denial but don't want to over-commit themselves to a claim, for fear of being proven false later. They leave themselves wiggle-room.

That is a very worrisome answer.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (8rNrN)

238 Also all the polls were wrong about Trump. The only people right about Trump were those willing to follow his lead and fight back.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (g4lFK)

239 Also realize that the most recent accuser would never have materialized had the previous accusers accomplished to get Moore out of the race.
What does that tell you?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:04 PM (oF/3c)

Yup.....Excellent point!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (nUkMr)

240 There are a couple, maybe more, writers over at pjmedia.com who really hate Moore the same way that Bill Krystal hates Trump.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse, Unperson at November 14, 2017 08:13 PM (4XCge)

241 I looked it up, the age of consent in AL is 16.
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That is as of a change in the law in 2001. Prior to that, it was 14.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 14, 2017 08:13 PM (XlbwU)

242
Christ Almighty don't worry about it!

The D's are gonna lose 5 seats in November 2018, at least.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:13 PM (oF/3c)

243 >>Somehow that has happened without Sessions present to vote. This fear your pushing that the senate will flip is based on asshattery from other senators, which is simply in their character and not a result of this election.

Because Luther Strange had taken Sessions seat and voted for the judges.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:13 PM (/tuJf)

244 he is on the right track with the lawsuit against wapo, and after those defaming him

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:13 PM (QC/4S)

245 IIRC, it takes 50 votes to confirm a judge. Are we at risk of losing another vote on judges?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:13 PM (60v4h)

246 235 well, given the whole fusion gps collusion fbi scam, why would we assume this is not some dem op too?
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (vuY5x)

because it stinks of Karl Rove tactics
I'm betting this is GOPer sabotage

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 14, 2017 08:13 PM (hMwEB)

247 If Moore did that of which he is accused, then I agree utterly that he should be replaced. The problem is that these are non-falsifiable claims and the acceptance thereof without something more than "I believe her" should concern us all.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (dEQP3)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 14, 2017 08:14 PM (rb1zT)

248 >>>>>I get that, but then there is Moore's curious manner of not denying the
claims. When asked if he "dated" teenage girls while in his 30s, he said
(On Hannity-- not an adversarial interview) "Not generally, no."

http://tinyurl.com/y7wu6frz

everyone here knows why someone answers in that way: When they're
attempting a denial but don't want to over-commit themselves to a claim,
for fear of being proven false later. They leave themselves
wiggle-room.

That is a very worrisome answer.
.
.
.So you are basing this whole thing on the fact that he dated teenage girls when he was 30? Do I have that right?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 08:14 PM (+Dllb)

249 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:09 PM (39g3+)

--True.

Not even close to passing the smell test.

Bullshit on ice.

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:14 PM (GsAUU)

250 17, 18, and 19 are teenagers. So he was telling the truth. So what if he had the consent of the parents and dated a 17 year old girl to court to marry and have kids.

Fucking A.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:14 PM (g4lFK)

251 Oh ffs. It was a valid election. Deal with it.

Posted by: Simplemind at November 14, 2017 08:14 PM (ZuGkg)

252 >>>235 well, given the whole fusion gps collusion fbi scam, why would we assume this is not some dem op too?

I have previously been thinking that as well but see post 237.

Also, I'm not really committed to finding out the truth about Moore. I doubt we'll be able to determine that -- as many point out, these claims are essentially "non-falsifiable."

I'm thinking about what the critical mass of allegations are -- even ones that can't be proven or even seem dubious -- that causes us to lose a seat we need.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:14 PM (8rNrN)

253 If this stands, this will mean McTurtle and his friend will be able to pick the senators from here on out. That's what this is all about. Absolute pure power. And the only one that can stop them is Trump. He's gonna bug out on this shitstorm. Nice people we got in our foxhole

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 08:14 PM (4u7kU)

254 I do not make that assumption. I assume he will lose. I assume the voters' will will be, on December 12th, that Doug Jones will be the junior senator from Alabama.

That could happen, but I don't see any outcome that works any other way if you yank Moore or try some procedural trick to replace him. A Democrat hasn't won that seat for ages, I think the voters are a bit sick of the crap they've had to eat for years now, particularly in rural Alabama. I don't think they are responding well to the maneuvers by the press.

We'll see. But I still stick by the analysis that when things go badly in a scandal type event, they go badly in a hurry, not over several days. They crater fast. He hasn't.

I believe that your analysis of the likely events of a 49/51 Senate are accurate, some jackass would flip parties (which I believe should be illegal while serving in office) and ruin everything. But I think we should trust the voters of the state and trust the guy until something a bit more compelling than a Gloria Allred press conference and some girl's claim comes up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:14 PM (39g3+)

255 I live and vote in Alabama My only concern is that the democrat not be elected. He will of course vote straight Reid/Schumer Party Line : 'no' on any Trump SCOTUS pick and his abortion positions are the Gosnell Wing of the Infanticide gang.: no Born Alive , no Partial Birth ban no Pain Capable protection . Rip the kid out and sell the parts The people of Al need to understand , they need to have their noses rubbed in it, that as much as Moore might be , once was ,a creep , the democrat is pure poison.

Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at November 14, 2017 08:15 PM (YrDFq)

256 If Deep State wins this round, voting for the candidate of our choice becomes impossible.

What happens when we know going into the booth that voting means nothing? That our 'betters' will choose the 'correct' candidate for us?

Posted by: Boots at November 14, 2017 08:15 PM (EBwPV)

257 come on, it's Alabama, not like he dated his underage sister.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2017 08:15 PM (vuY5x)

258 246 235 well, given the whole fusion gps collusion fbi scam, why would we assume this is not some dem op too?
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (vuY5x)

because it stinks of Karl Rove tactics
I'm betting this is GOPer sabotage
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 14, 2017 08:13 PM (hMwEB)

I agree, especially considering how quickly McConnell and McCain jumped in demanding that Moore drop out.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2017 08:15 PM (sdi6R)

259 does not matter who he dated; sean penn is 57 his gilfriend is 25

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:15 PM (QC/4S)

260 Even if everything alleged about Moore and worse were true I would vote for him if I lived in Alabama. This is such an obvious coordinated take down by the "Establishment" that I would have to go against it no matter how bad Moore is.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 14, 2017 08:15 PM (ILjEV)

261 In The past 40 years there was a full blown kiddie didler day care witch hunt, tail hook scandal, free fire zone in the workplace for mere suggestion of harassment, bubba getting called out trying to put his dick in anything that moved, etc.

And this controversial politician never drew flack until the UniParty pick went down in flames.

Incredible.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 14, 2017 08:15 PM (IWbvi)

262 Will Allred submit that yearbook to forensic analysis? Or even expert scrutiny?

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 08:15 PM (oVJmc)

263 "Not generally, no."
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I'd have gone with "un-generally."

Posted by: Weasel at November 14, 2017 08:15 PM (Sfs6o)

264
I still think this larry flynt.

Flynt is coordinating with wapo, allredbaboonass, and Democrat and Republican henchmen.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (oF/3c)

265 >>>So you are basing this whole thing on the fact that he dated teenage girls when he was 30? Do I have that right?

not all of that but I'm thinking of 28 days of that ad running with him answering "Not generally, no."

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (8rNrN)

266 girlfriend...geez louise

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (QC/4S)

267 I'll repeat what said this morning about that yearbook thing....

A 16 year old girl gets her yearbook signed by a guy that, later that same evening, accosted her.

But she does absolutely nothing to the 'note' he left in her yearbook hours before? Doesn't scratch it out. Doesn't write 'I hate you!'. Nothing? And leaves it there for 40 years...untouched?

16 year old girls are not known for their emotional stability. I find it a tad hard to believe.

Posted by: Tami at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (Enq6K)

268 ace, I think you've got this all upside down. This is a political hit no different from the dossier used on Trump. The GOPe is either instigating it or cooperating with it. We do not surrender to this - ever. We may be defeated but we do not surrender. If we walk away from our candidates based on unprovable 40 year old smears, guess what's going to happen next.

Posted by: Mr Black at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (eIQzG)

269 That is a very worrisome answer.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (8rNrN)
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If he was 30 and they were 18-19 why are you worried?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (U+nHb)

270 Why would the GOP do this a month before the election when they had an entire primary when it was clear that Moore was doing very well and likely to win to do the hit?

They could have then had Strange and won the election in a walk.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:17 PM (/tuJf)

271 17 is a teenager
18 is a teenager
19 is a teenager

Who gives a fuck? Dating and courtship in the 70's for marriage does not mean sex.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:17 PM (g4lFK)

272 Best/easiest plan, Get the Governor and Moore to endorse Mo Brooks as the alternate either as write in or as replacement should Moore not be seated.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at November 14, 2017 08:17 PM (af5xa)

273 I get that, but then there is Moore's curious manner of not denying the claims. When asked if he "dated" teenage girls while in his 30s, he said (On Hannity-- not an adversarial interview) "Not generally, no."

He married his wife - she was 18 or 19 - when he was in his 30s. How's he supposed to answer that question - Hannity screwed up.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:17 PM (9TU00)

274 >>>260 Even if everything alleged about Moore and worse were true I would vote for him if I lived in Alabama. This is such an obvious coordinated take down by the "Establishment" that I would have to go against it no matter how bad Moore is.

it could be true; it could also be, as you say, an establishment (or Democrat, or both) hit.

But the bigger question is: Is it working? Will it work?

I don't think you can say "this won't work" simply because you think it's a manufactured hit.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:17 PM (8rNrN)

275 Considering that Ds have 25 seats on the line next year, and the Rs have 8, how likely is it that they pick up any seats, much less three (or two)?

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 08:17 PM (oVJmc)

276 1. When do you get your yearbook? In the summer. Why is this girl carrying it around at Christmas?

2. "Olde" is misspelled. It's Old Hickory House

3. At the time, Moore was not DA, was Deputy DA. Why would he sign the yearbook DA?

4. The two sevens in the signature are different.

More here: https://twitter.com/hale4jesus/status/930219506852511744

Posted by: shibumi

5. The "Y" in Roy is very different.

6. The "e"s, the "y" and the "r" in "Olde Hickory House are not written the way Roy Moore writes.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:17 PM (8b+oT)

277 I still think this larry flynt.

Flynt is coordinating with wapo, allredbaboonass, and Democrat and Republican henchmen.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (oF/3c)

--Flynt's dead.

Necromancy?

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:18 PM (GsAUU)

278 >>>He married his wife - she was 18 or 19 - when he was in his 30s. How's he supposed to answer that question - Hannity screwed up.

oh I didn't know that. Important context.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:18 PM (8rNrN)

279 Audemus jura nostra defendere roughly translates as Fuck All Ya'll.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:18 PM (60v4h)

280 I have previously been thinking that as well but see post 237.

Also, I'm not really committed to finding out the truth about Moore. I doubt we'll be able to determine that -- as many point out, these claims are essentially "non-falsifiable."

I'm thinking about what the critical mass of allegations are -- even ones that can't be proven or even seem dubious -- that causes us to lose a seat we need.

Posted by: ace at November

Well I agree with your 237, however, I would use this as an opportunity to bludgeon everyone associated with tht fusion collusion in a boy who cried wolf way. We do not have time to puzzle out the truth before the election and there is no reason to believe the media is an honest dealer here.

Vote him in sort it out later.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2017 08:18 PM (vuY5x)

281
A few months from now we'll find out who was behind this and how much these women were paid.

But for now, it's time to panic.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:18 PM (oF/3c)

282 he needs to go on the attack i think, start talking about Woody Allen and Sean Penn and the rest of them; then jump to the issues that people of Alabama care about

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:18 PM (QC/4S)

283 That is as of a change in the law in 2001. Prior to that, it was 14.

I always thought it was 12, maybe 13

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 14, 2017 08:19 PM (4u7kU)

284 Kind of glad I'm not in Alabama, but think I would vote for Moore anyway.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 08:19 PM (aC6Sd)

285 it's Rove, from the beginning it looked like him, or one of his acolytes

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:19 PM (QC/4S)

286 270 Why would the GOP do this a month before the election when they had an entire primary when it was clear that Moore was doing very well and likely to win to do the hit?

They could have then had Strange and won the election in a walk.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:17 PM (/tuJf)

It's the GOP wing of the Uniparty.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2017 08:19 PM (sdi6R)

287 . If we walk away from our candidates based on unprovable 40 year old smears, guess what's going to happen next.
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See #90

Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 08:19 PM (aT+Bx)

288 everyone here knows why someone answers in that way: When they're attempting a denial but don't want to over-commit themselves to a claim, for fear of being proven false later. They leave themselves wiggle-room.

It sounds like a lawyer speaking to me: looking to give the correct answer without giving anything away or locking yourself in. They always do it, to everything. Its like an occupational hazard, they stop being able to be certain or firm on anything.

And let's say he dated 16 year old girls. Perfectly legal and at the time in Alabama not exactly shocking culturally. But kinda icky today, right? So he'd rather not just come out and say "yep, I loved em young!" but he doesn't want to say "I never! Why sir you defame my sacred honor!" because that's just a lie.

So he's trying to straddle that fence as best he can as a politician. Kinda distasteful, but hardly surprising.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:19 PM (39g3+)

289 I'm probably way behind but the stepson of the latest accuser (with Gloria A) says he's known her for years and doesn't believe the story. Has offered to put out an official statement for Moore.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 08:19 PM (3myMJ)

290 still... even if we say "Well he made an honest woman" of that 18 year old girl, it's still a bit corroborative as far as his general appreciation for girls most would say were too young.

I'm not sure about any of this, his innocence, his guilt, the partisan motivation of the accusers.

I'm not sure he'll lose.

But I am feeling the winds blowing in that direction.

No one has to take my prognostication over their own.

but this is what I'm feeling.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:19 PM (8rNrN)

291 --Flynt's dead.

Necromancy?

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:18 PM (GsAUU)

He's not dead...just looks that way.

Posted by: Tami at November 14, 2017 08:19 PM (Enq6K)

292 Apparently there's some memo about Congress members holding a press conference tomorrow to introduce articles of impeachment.

Anyone on this list should immediately be acccused by men, women, teens, babies, and dogs of sexual harassment.
I want the mess they want to make, to rise up immediately and explode in their faces.

Posted by: Shopgirl: Happy 103rd Bday, Buck O'Neil!! at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (IpsQV)

293 268 ace, I think you've got this all upside down. This is a political hit no different from the dossier used on Trump. The GOPe is either instigating it or cooperating with it. We do not surrender to this - ever. We may be defeated but we do not surrender. If we walk away from our candidates based on unprovable 40 year old smears, guess what's going to happen next.
Posted by: Mr Black at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (eIQzG)

Exactly. That kind of "Icky! Run Away!" mentality is what got us the spinning wheel of death primary resulting in milquetoast Romney, who was so afraid of being disliked that he practically gave the election to Obama.

The thing to remember is that you are not responsible for your candidate's personal life. This is what the Left taught us with Clinton, and now they want to take it back..conveniently after they're done with it and right as we begin to learn how to use it against them.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (q6jjE)

294 >>it's Rove, from the beginning it looked like him, or one of his acolytes

Again, why now? Why a month from the election when they can't really do anything instead of in the primary?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (/tuJf)

295

You stay with Moore, for fuck's sweet sake. Or set a precedent and open up EVERY candidate for the same shit.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (S/hVx)

296 Yes, I think he wife was a teenager when they married or dated. They've been married 30 years.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (U+nHb)

297 Kind of glad I'm not in Alabama, but think I would vote for Moore anyway.

It's great at either end, North and South. The middle is to be avoided.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (60v4h)

298 let him run, let him win, and string up any RINO fucks who try to keep him out of office.

#ProblemSolved

Posted by: FBI PAO at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (kb/by)

299 Option #4: Screw 'em. War.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (Ndje9)

300 >>.289 I'm probably way behind but the stepson of the latest accuser (with Gloria A) says he's known her for years and doesn't believe the story. Has offered to put out an official statement for Moore.

interesting, I'd like to see the statement when/if it issues

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (8rNrN)

301 Then how about the fact that the 7's are different?

And why would he write DA when he was DDA at the time?

Posted by: shibumi
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And everything is in cursive except the name of the restaurant and D. A..

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (8b+oT)

302 That is as of a change in the law in 2001. Prior to that, it was 14.

I thought that was the case too but I dug and dug and could not find any confirmation. Someone from the state here said its been 16 forever.

He married his wife - she was 18 or 19 - when he was in his 30s.

She was mid 20s when they married, but he probably dated her earlier.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (39g3+)

303 dont think it was that clear that Moore was gonna win - caught them unawares

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (QC/4S)

304 A few months from now we'll find out who was behind this and how much these women were paid.

But for now, it's time to panic.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:18 PM (oF/3c

As Harry Reid said "He lost, didn't he?" They don't care if you find out

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (4u7kU)

305 >>>>>>>So you are basing this whole thing on the fact that he dated teenage girls when he was 30? Do I have that right?

not all of that but I'm thinking of 28 days of that ad running with him answering "Not generally, no."

.
.
.OK put your Alabama glasses on and look at what the people there who actually vote say. Even after this full court press he is up by 5 in the latest poll. He has been hammered 24/7 and he is still up in the latest poll. That should tell us something.

Give the people of that State some credit.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (+Dllb)

306 Exactly. That kind of "Icky! Run Away!" mentality is what got us the
spinning wheel of death primary resulting in milquetoast Romney, who was
so afraid of being disliked that he practically gave the election to
Obama.

The thing to remember is that you are not responsible for your
candidate's personal life. This is what the Left taught us with
Clinton, and now they want to take it back..conveniently after they're
done with it and right as we begin to learn how to use it against them.
---

The "Icky! Run Away!" mentality is what kept many here away from Trump in the primaries.

Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (aT+Bx)

307 Unless of course somersetting comes out that shows his innocence...
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Alright! The Napoleonic Code arrives in the Anglosphere! And you claim to be from Somerset. Tsk. Tsk.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (mJ8mX)

308 >>t's the GOP wing of the Uniparty.

Well I'm told constantly that Strange was establishment, leaving aside the small fact that Trump backed him and even campaigned for him, so why not take out Moore in the primary and let Strange win?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (/tuJf)

309 BTW , give the devils their due , the D's , Bezos , the Wapoo gang , this was pure genius . Let the story out in October , no Moore. Do it in late November: checkmate . There is the Torricelli option. That the Alabama Supremes find some penumbral emanation, some made up statute , kick Moore off the ballot and run some placeholder.But Moore would have to take one for the Republic , not the R Party , but the Nation and withdraw.Won't happen. Sad

Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (YrDFq)

310 grump, I know you're a Tide fan, but do you live in Alabama?

I always assumed, but want to get it straight.

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (GsAUU)

311 I'm thinking about what the critical mass of allegations are -- even ones that can't be proven or even seem dubious -- that causes us to lose a seat we need.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:14 PM (8rNrN)

I don't disagree with your concern, I share it to a great extent. But this is star chamber justice we are engaging in here. If this is successful, who will not be treated to the same method?

Where does it frickin end?

This is exactly the same type of thing you have rightly railed against- the uniparty refusal to listen to the dirty peasants (and you cannot convince me that this is not McConnell's part in this.)

I am not saying if he is guilty, we should still defend him, but the thing is THE BURDEN IS NOT ON THE ACCUSED. If we have given that up, where the hell are we?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (rb1zT)

312 Again, why now? Why a month from the election when they can't really do anything instead of in the primary?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (/tuJf)
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because they don't want a majority in the House OR the Senate that eliminates all their excuses for not getting what the voters want done.

Primary every single RINO!

Posted by: FBI PAO at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (kb/by)

313 For the next 28 days middle aged guys across America will close their porn website tabs before posting on political forums about how disturbing it is that a 30 year old found 18-19 year olds attractive.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (8Zprg)

314 McConnell and the senators to not allow him to serve if he is elected - Well, we need not burden ourselves with elections anymore, our Beatific Senators will decide for us.

Posted by: gNewt at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (X0SOM)

315
Recall that the Salem Witch Trials were largely based on the accusations of young girls.
Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2017 08:08 PM (sdi6R)

Little realized factoid - the accusers were the real witches.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (IWbvi)

316 ace, I'm assuming Trump's base in AL has near 100% overlap with Moore's base. I'm less concerned about the Never-Trumpers there than I am getting the base to agree to another plan (write-in).

Posted by: Parker at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (vYEdl)

317
That's how they concocted this whole farce.

They looked at Roy Moore and his younger wife and carefully fabricated, using circumstantial evidence, a history of Roy Moore and young girls.

They provided, what, a court date that showed Moore and the 14 yr old's mother at the Courthouse together. They provided a signature in a yearbook that IMPLIES a meeting...and a ride home...and a forced bj attempt.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (oF/3c)

318 If the Dems win this one they will do it over and over.

It only takes money to get people to make charges and they already spend a lot of that.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (3myMJ)

319
Moore might win, the senate might refuse to seat him. Is it the end of the world if Alabama only has one senator for a while?

Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson's rape victims at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (1L9V9)

320 really, whether he wins or loses, maybe even whether he did it or not, this is a line in the sand moment. Voting him and giving the finger to gope and everyony to their left will be useful. "suck it"

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (vuY5x)

321 I think we should fight for him because it's important to have that vote in the Senate (for Americans). That's just my opinion but I hate the smell of a coordinated take down. It's just more of the same bullshit we've had to endure for years.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (U+nHb)

322 Anybody else hear the interview Moore gave the other night on Hannity. It was not good.

Of course not. That would mean watching Hannity.

What was not good about it?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (gIRsn)

323 he is on the right track with the lawsuit against wapo, and after those defaming him
Posted by: runner

that 1) won't get anywhere before the election, and 2) will probably get tossed before discovery.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (9TU00)

324 Haven't read all the comments, so don't know how repetitive this is, but: For my money, go with Moore for the spot.

At worst, he was kinda kooky a little over 30 years ago (and no one has alleged he really did a Clinton on anyone), but has turned his life around big-time (assuming the accusers are telling the truth). Been in public life all that time, including as Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court.

You vote for who the guy is now, and there is just absolutely zero evidence that - whatever his problem was 30 years go - he's a danger to anyone except the Donks and Mitch McConnell (sp?).

My bottom line is I do not credit these accusers at all. 30 years is too long to just let this lie dormant. So far, I haven't heard a single instance in which any of these women reported any of these incidents to anyone at anywhere near the time they supposedly occurred. And for them to just happen to be coming forward now is too much. Gloria Allred's involvement is the last straw - she has a horse in everyone of these races, and I don't think any of them have finished in the money.

So - take what I say with that grain of salt (i.e., I don't believe the allegations). The Senate will seat him - probably have to (they were not going to seat that bird from Illinois that Blagoyavich (sp?) appointed - but they did because the needed the vote. Same song, same tune).

Besides, it's the only realistic scenario for keeping the seat (unless Moore drops out).

Posted by: one-eyed cat peepin' in the seafood store at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (/sTHK)

325 do you live in Alabama?

Yep. The Eastern Shore of Mobile Bay.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (60v4h)

326 This is the GOPe and McTurtle going after Bannon. Bannon has targeted them in 2018 and the GOPe is going to make an example of Moore, and by extension, Bannon, that the rest of those losers in Congress better stick with GOPe or else. Pour encourager les autres, non?

Posted by: Boots at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (EBwPV)

327 >>because they don't want a majority in the House OR the Senate that eliminates all their excuses for not getting what the voters want done.

Oh. Ok.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (/tuJf)

328 I get that, but then there is Moore's curious manner of not denying the claims. When asked if he "dated" teenage girls while in his 30s, he said (On Hannity-- not an adversarial interview) "Not generally, no."

Different folks, different strokes. If they were beyond the age of consent, well that's one thing; if they weren't that's something else. There's a reason the age of consent is codified.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (oLTNb)

329 I still think this larry flynt.
Flynt is coordinating with wapo, allredbaboonass, and Democrat and Republican henchmen.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (oF/3c)

Walter Sobchak needs to pay him a visit.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (nUkMr)

330 I wish I were one percent as decent a man as Judge Moore... If such dodgy allegations can take him down, then whither the rest of us? This is a hill worth dying for!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (e9G8E)

331 3. At the time, Moore was not DA, was Deputy DA. Why would he sign the yearbook DA?

Yeah I forgot that one. I mean a lot of these are pretty minor but if you add them all up? The bundle looks really sketchy. It doesn't make sense, the entire business with this latest girl is just bizarre. None of it feels right.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (39g3+)

332
And everything is in cursive except the name of the restaurant and D. A..

And isn't it wonderfully convenient that he included his future job, the current date, and the location? If someone wrote that into a murder mystery you'd laugh at how trite it was.

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (oVJmc)

333 311: well said.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (89T5c)

334 And everything is in cursive except the name of the restaurant and D. A..

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM
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There are TONS of issues with the yearbook.

But... I guess "graphology" isn't a valid concern. Even though it is used in "court."

It's also not relevant that they didn't have child proof locks when the girl said he locked her in the car.

All girls maligning Republicans must be believed.

All girls maligning Democrats are liars.

Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (aT+Bx)

335 There's precedent for this. In 2000, Mel Carnahan was killed in a plane crash before the election for U.S. Senate in Missouri. His name stayed on the ballot and he was elected, thereby allowing the sitting governor, Roger Wilson (the former Lt. Governor) to appoint Jean Carnahan as senator.

As an aside, John Ashcroft refused to contest the election even though one has to be alive to be elected to the U.S. Senate. All of that history got lost in the hanging chads.

Posted by: RS at November 14, 2017 08:24 PM (CNQqJ)

336
What's going on here is a Story.

This Story is peppered with facts and accurate details that in reality do not support the thesis of the Story.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:24 PM (oF/3c)

337 I am, however, a native born Texian, a fact of which I am extraordinarily and unjustifiably proud.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:24 PM (60v4h)

338 And everything is in cursive except the name of the restaurant and D. A..

And isn't it wonderfully convenient that he included his future job, the current date, and the location? If someone wrote that into a murder mystery you'd laugh at how trite it was.
Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November

she can't even read cursive!

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2017 08:24 PM (vuY5x)

339 306The "Icky! Run Away!" mentality is what kept many here away from Trump in the primaries.
Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 08:21 PM (aT+Bx)

Well, I was one of those, but fair enough.

I would claim that's different, though, because the rationale in a primary is different from the general election with set candidates. I didn't vote for Trump, and even after he won I was very skeptical.

But skeptical, lukewarm support because of "Icky!" is different from withholding your vote/supporting the other side because of "Icky!"

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 08:25 PM (q6jjE)

340 As for the yearbook, everything after 'Moore' looks like a female's handwriting.

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 08:25 PM (oVJmc)

341 Moore might win, the senate might refuse to seat him. Is it the end of the world if Alabama only has one senator for a while?

Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson's rape victims at November 14, 2017 08:22 PM (1L9V9)

I thought I read they can't refuse to seat him. He's not been convicted of any crime.

Posted by: Tami at November 14, 2017 08:25 PM (Enq6K)

342 This is a very dangerous thing the McConnell gang is doing. It is an
open attempt to usurp the Constitution in a manner any voter will
recognize. It is an ultimate power play. The gauntlet has been thrown.
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There is only one possible response if government shows us beyond all doubt that it will not submit to the outcome of free and fair elections.

The only question, if the McConnell hunta succeeds, is how long it takes for us to act.

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2017 08:25 PM (XQvuQ)

343 Ace, here's what we have on the stepson at this time:

http://bit.ly/2iVWVAz

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 08:25 PM (3myMJ)

344 I present Plan B:

If Sessions wins a write-in campaign (which would be difficult, but doable with the right social media channels, but that would have to start tonight), it gives PDT an out to get rid of a poorly performing AG (IMHO) and nominate somebody who won't fold or recuse him or herself for going after the Prog/Dems who have clearly violated the law like Her Heinous, the Podestas and all the other Progs in DC who've skated for far too long.

The DC Swamp needs a draining and Sessions has proven that he's not up to the task. He needs to go. Back to the Senate would be the best option I can see since his chances of going along with UpChuck Schumer are almost nil.

I'd like to see Moore win, since his enemies are also my enemies, and I'd love to see him up there poking the GOPe in the eye every day, but Plan B might work.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 14, 2017 08:25 PM (tRaq7)

345 I agree with Ace.

Moore won the primary fair and square, the timing on these allegations stinks, and only the allegations of contact with underage females really appall me.

However, he has shown a distinct lack of political skill in handling adversity. Hannity gave him a good opportunity to defend himself and refute these charges. He was either poorly prepared, just not good at explaining himself, or he's actually lying and not good at keeping the stories straight. Moore's answers actually made this worse.

Whether he's telling the truth or not, this is a bad situation and he missed the best opportunity to squash this before it picked up momentum. There's no time for a lawsuit against the Post or his accusers to have any beneficial effect. Discovery could take until 2020...

Losing the AL seat even for a little over 2 years would be very bad. It will be harder for Trump to push legislation without a reliable vote from this AL seat. Then there's the judges & other nominees still to be voted on. We don't know exactly how 2018 will go. It should be a historic opportunity to win several more Senate seats, but only if Trump can get his agenda through before then.

I don't think Moore is going to step aside so this is going to have to happen despite him.

Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 08:26 PM (8zN2Y)

346 And isn't it wonderfully convenient that he included his future job, the current date, and the location? If someone wrote that into a murder mystery you'd laugh at how trite it was.

Yeah its the kind of thing an experienced investigator tosses out because it doesn't help gather information at all. Its just too implausible to be trusted without significantly greater supporting evidence.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:26 PM (39g3+)

347 Recall that the Salem Witch Trials were largely based on the accusations of young girls.

Posted by: rickl

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Probably should have been some young girls accusing him if it were true. But there haven't been any young girls accusing him, just middle aged Hillary supporters 40 years after the alleged events.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:26 PM (8b+oT)

348 Ace, you disappoint me by being swayed by small town gossip. I grew up in a small town. Everyone "knew" that my Homecoming Queen older sister had had an abortion -- false -- and that I would sleep with anyone who asked (also false; I didn't give anyone in that scummy little town my virginity of any orifice). Everyone also "knew" that my dad burned down a building he owned -- false. Many of these rumors were spread by people who hated my father, a take-no-prisoners, drain-the-swamp kind of a guy. He was falsely arrested by the local cops so he took them to court. According to my mother, the risk to my father if he lost was $20,000. He didn't blink, and he won. The city paid out the nose. If I lived in Alabama I would be voting for Moore.

Posted by: Victoria at November 14, 2017 08:26 PM (hTI+8)

349
What they're showing is evidence of a connection between Moore and the women.

Christ Almighty, all of us could be framed up if all they needed was to establish a mere connection to another person!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:26 PM (oF/3c)

350 hat 1) won't get anywhere before the election, and 2) will probably get tossed before discovery.

==

the point is to fight back , see Melania Trump's lawsuit agains some rag claiming she was an escort

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:27 PM (QC/4S)

351 I am, however, a native born Texian, a fact of which I am extraordinarily and unjustifiably proud.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:24 PM (60v4h)

Excellent, didn't know that, Grumpy!

My mom goes back to the old 300. Descended from Alamo defender and Deaf Smith. salute!

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 08:27 PM (3myMJ)

352 325 do you live in Alabama?

Yep. The Eastern Shore of Mobile Bay.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:23 PM (60v4h)

--Underrated part of the country, to be sure.

The peeps down there see way too many UFOs, though.

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:27 PM (GsAUU)

353 SJWs and feminists ALWAYS lie.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:27 PM (g4lFK)

354 So by nominating Slumberin' Sessions to do nothing as AG, Trump will have set in motion his own demise? Dang. That's Shakespearean.

As for Moore, assuming the allegations are true, he can shove his holier-than-thou bibles up his rear end. I don't care if he was taking at-bats above the Mendoza line of consent. This was not the 1870s Alabama, this was the 1970s if not 1980s, and as a 30-something deputy AG, that's both creepy AND hardly something a serious bible-thumper should be doing. Are any loud-mouthed morality-types actually moral?

I like Ace's idea #1. I cringe at the idea of the Bolshis finally taking over the Duma.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 14, 2017 08:27 PM (dZ756)

355 Posted by: Victoria at November 14, 2017 08:26 PM
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Very well put Victoria.

Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 08:27 PM (aT+Bx)

356 I agree with Ace.

Moore won the primary fair and square, the timing on these allegations stinks, and only the allegations of contact with underage females really appall me.

However, he has shown a distinct lack of political skill in handling adversity. Hannity gave him a good opportunity to defend himself and refute these charges. He was either poorly prepared, just not good at explaining himself, or he's actually lying and not good at keeping the stories straight. Moore's answers actually made this worse.

Whether he's telling the truth or not, this is a bad situation and he missed the best opportunity to squash this before it picked up momentum. There's no time for a lawsuit against the Post or his accusers to have any beneficial effect. Discovery could take until 2020...

Losing the AL seat even for a little over 2 years would be very bad. It will be harder for Trump to push legislation without a reliable vote from this AL seat. Then there's the judges & other nominees still to be voted on. We don't know exactly how 2018 will go. It should be a historic opportunity to win several more Senate seats, but only if Trump can get his agenda through before then.

I don't think Moore is going to step aside so this is going to have to happen despite him.
Posted by: Jill V2 at November

You know what whole innocent until proven guilty thing? You will be appalled at the allegations which could be made against you.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (vuY5x)

357 Tucker called Tammy Bruce "Tammy Moore"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (IqV8l)

358 or that she was illegal, or that she faked her paperwork and other crap

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (QC/4S)

359 Ordinarily I would vote for a child molester over a Democrat, but these days I don't care. I just want to see the whole thing burn

Posted by: Regular joe at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (7PllL)

360 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (9TU00)

361 Sorry, I gotta disagree with you about Moore, Tucker.

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (GsAUU)

362 I looked it up, the age of consent in AL is 16.
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That is as of a change in the law in 2001. Prior to that, it was 14.
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 14, 2017 08:13 PM (XlbwU)

But it had to be a first cousin or niece.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (IWbvi)

363 @287 If we walk away from our candidates based on unprovable 40 year old smears, guess what's going to happen next.
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Notice that the GOP (and ace, apparently) seem to be aware that the voters won't walk away, and that's why they're floating the "won't seat him" nonsense. I'm a little ashamed of ace for jumping on this particular bandwagon

Posted by: artemis at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (AwPyG)

364 The most annoying thing people are trying with this is this argument:

What if it was your daughter that accused him? Would you say she was a lying slut and defend a pedophile then, you pervert scumbag????

And that's almost word for word.

The answer to that is simple: What if it were your son who were accused by some random girl of doing this? Would you throw him out of the house on her word, and condemn him?

The truth is, how we'd behave with our child does not decide justice or right or wrong. True or false, we'll defend and stick up for our loved ones until we have overwhelming proof otherwise, that's what love and commitment and family is like.

That has nothing to do with the truth of the matter or justice. It has nothing to do with right and wrong. Whether I'd believe my daughter or not doesn't mean these girls cannot possibly be lying.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:29 PM (39g3+)

365
And after graciously and idiotically handing his Senate seat to some dead guy's wife, the first thing the Democrats did was embarrass and vote No on Ashcroft's nomination to AG, including that awful Jean Carnahan!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:29 PM (oF/3c)

366 If Sessions wins a write-in campaign

I won't vote for him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:29 PM (60v4h)

367 Because Luther Strange had taken Sessions seat and voted for the judges.
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Okay, I had forgotten that.

Still, I'll be more convinced the the judiciary is an issue I should support the GOP on when they have filled all current vacancies rather than make promises.

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2017 08:29 PM (XQvuQ)

368 The peeps down there see way too many UFOs, though.
Posted by: logprof

Testing out of Eglin/Hulbert can explain that

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (9TU00)

369 Let It Burn. Let it all burn to the ground.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (2DOZq)

370 360 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU
Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (9TU00)

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heh, good one.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (U+nHb)

371 That's how they concocted this whole farce.

They looked at Roy Moore and his younger wife and carefully
fabricated, using circumstantial evidence, a history of Roy Moore and
young girls.

They provided, what, a court date that showed Moore and the 14 yr
old's mother at the Courthouse together. They provided a signature in a
yearbook that IMPLIES a meeting...and a ride home...and a forced bj
attempt.

Posted by: Soothsayer
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That yearbook signature reminds me of that fake ass word document that put Little Green Footballs on the map.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (8b+oT)

372 I get that, but then there is Moore's curious manner of not denying the claims. When asked if he "dated" teenage girls while in his 30s, he said (On Hannity-- not an adversarial interview) "Not generally, no."

http://tinyurl.com/y7wu6frz

everyone here knows why someone answers in that way: When they're attempting a denial but don't want to over-commit themselves to a claim, for fear of being proven false later. They leave themselves wiggle-room.

That is a very worrisome answer.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 08:12 PM (8rNrN)

Where the hell is this "he did not deny the claims" coming from? The Hannity interview? That's it?

Because if we're going to do original sources, which we should, here is Moore's statement on the first WaPo story.

http://bit.ly/2zLfDCX

Here's the statement from Friday:

http://bit.ly/2zM012h

Here's the statement from Allred on Monday:

http://bit.ly/2z3eERi

In all of those he refers to the allegations as lies. He uses the term intentional defamation. He calls it a witch hunt. He categorically denies engaging in sexual impropriety with anyone.

Again, Moore could be lying through his teeth in all of those statements, a position which I think has the possibility of being true.

But these claims that he hasn't denied vigorously these allegation is just flat out wrong.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (dEQP3)

373 Option #4: Screw 'em. War.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (Ndje9)

That about sums it up. The Dems/MFM will lie, cheat and steal to win an election. The minute AllRed showed it for the dog and pony show that's when I knew it was all BS.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (SiINZ)

374 I don't have a yearbook (HS drop out at 15) but I wonder how many of you have inscriptions from December. And do people normally date these things ? Oh God, the things I missed

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (4u7kU)

375 As for Moore, assuming the allegations are true...

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That's not how this works. That's not how ANY of this works.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (8Zprg)

376
I don't doubt he signed the yearbook. Everything else the woman said was a lie.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (oF/3c)

377 If you are going to allow unsubstantiated charges to end campaigns, you might as well just get out of politics now.

The days of playing it straight are gone.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (3myMJ)

378 268
ace, I think you've got this all upside down. This is a political hit
no different from the dossier used on Trump. The GOPe is either
instigating it or cooperating with it. We do not surrender to this -
ever. We may be defeated but we do not surrender. If we walk away from
our candidates based on unprovable 40 year old smears, guess what's
going to happen next.

Posted by: Mr Black at November 14, 2017 08:16 PM (eIQzG)

An even ickier smear.

What do I win?
And that is what this is about....the ickiness of the smear. Reprobate democrats pointing and saying oooooo icky; and expecting the normals to be repulsed. Same old tired playbook.

Make them play the hand all the way through. If he steps down then none of then none of the rinos will have to expose themselves further.

Prediction- If Moore stays the course, this will all go away. If he quits, it will all go away. In one instance he is elected Senator in the other the dems get the seat......AND IN EITHER CASE nothing will be proven but the effectiveness of the icky smear.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (7+qdf)

379 My mom goes back to the old 300. Descended from Alamo defender and Deaf Smith. salute!
Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 08:27 PM (3myMJ)

--Cool.

Born in VA, but back two generations my grandparents were yankees (PA and IL).

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (GsAUU)

380 360 - I've never tossed a few bucks at an 18-year-old stripper. But if that's the custom aroud here, I'm willing to try and fit in.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (H5knJ)

381 #345 post makes me think the Meeting of the Concerned are starting to post here. It sounds like Mcmuffin.

Posted by: lizabth at November 14, 2017 08:32 PM (y849F)

382 The peeps down there see way too many UFOs, though.

That's really more Pensacola Bay.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:32 PM (60v4h)

383 If these allegations turn out to be false I hope these women have an escape plan cause their days in Alabama would be over.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 08:32 PM (/tuJf)

384 372But these claims that he hasn't denied vigorously these allegation is just flat out wrong.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (dEQP3)

Yeah...I understand ace's apprehension about this matter in the media. But I'm pretty disappointed that he bought into the Democrat/Media line of "There are no arguments for X" when in fact there are a ton, but just nowhere near as heavily publicized...conveniently enough for the Dems...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 08:33 PM (q6jjE)

385 Maybe TPTB waited til now to go after Moore because they didn't take him seriously until he was about to win. Seems like they still need to learn from their dismissal of Trump.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 14, 2017 08:33 PM (ILjEV)

386 373
Option #4: Screw 'em. War.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 14, 2017 08:20 PM (Ndje9)

That about sums it up. The Dems/MFM will lie, cheat and steal to win
an election. The minute AllRed showed it for the dog and pony show
that's when I knew it was all BS.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (SiINZ)

Are you saying Alred is a dog whistle for sleazy corruption?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 14, 2017 08:33 PM (7+qdf)

387 As much as I appreciate the team pep talk, this won't work. "We" aren't a group, and there's no coordinating "us."

When the GOPe decided to sabotage Moore's campaign, there were only two possible outcomes: they would succeed, or the voters of AL would elect Moore anyway.

The only acceptable outcomes to me are 1) losing the seat to a Democrat so that it'll be easier to win back in 6 years (also it won't reward the GOPe for their behavior), or 2) Moore is going to have to publicly discredit enough witnesses to throw doubt on the smear campaign.

Posted by: Matt_SE at November 14, 2017 08:33 PM (CTWGT)

388 Testing out of Eglin/Hulbert can explain that
Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (9TU00)

--Oh, I know from my days in Tally. Pensacola is I think #1 in UFO reports.

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:33 PM (GsAUU)

389 Yearbooks come out the last week of school in June. I used to work on school year books, you take the pictures throughout the year, and then send it off to the printer around April or so and get the books back in time for summer vacation.

Somebody should look through that entire yearbook and find every boy named Roy and put a microscope on him. That woman had a friend named Roy and "altered" his message to her.

Posted by: Boots at November 14, 2017 08:34 PM (EBwPV)

390 Many of these rumors were spread by people who hated my father, a take-no-prisoners, drain-the-swamp kind of a guy.

Small town rumor stories. My mom grew up in Cheyenne Wyoming, which for the state is big but... especially in the 1930s-50s was small. Their next door neighbor had a nasty combination: a man who molested two of my aunts and a wife who was a bitter shrew with a wicked tongue.

After the girls were molested by this creep, out comes a rumor -- from the nasty lady -- that the Hansen family were communists. Just as the McCarthy era thing was happening

Hey, it was an easy fit. Dad was from Denmark and didn't speak English terrifically. Mom had a brain tumor and was really weird for a while. They were raised super strict.

The consequences of this were horrendous, up to and including doctors refusing to give medical care after a horrendous car crash in the rocky mountains when their brakes went out just after getting the car checked up.

Some terrible stuff can happen in small towns.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:34 PM (39g3+)

391 In all of those he refers to the allegations as lies. He uses the term intentional defamation. He calls it a witch hunt. He categorically denies engaging in sexual impropriety with anyone.

Again, Moore could be lying through his teeth in all of those statements, a position which I think has the possibility of being true.

But these claims that he hasn't denied vigorously these allegation is just flat out wrong.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (dEQP3)

The key to the scoldist orthodoxy....

He dated someone who was a teenager... therefore he MUST have been a pervert. He MUST have done something inappropriate...

They conflate dating a younger Woman, as Rape... or Sexual Assault...

Which... its not...

He admitted he dated younger women... but that is it...

Posted by: Don Q., Arcanist at November 14, 2017 08:34 PM (NgKpN)

392 What if Moore flips parties again?

Posted by: torabora at November 14, 2017 08:34 PM (6dFYM)

393 I don't have a yearbook (HS drop out at 15) but I wonder how many of you have inscriptions from December. And do people normally date these things ? Oh God, the things I missed
Posted by: Bubba Clinton

That's another thing, we got yearbooks at the END of the year. It was full of pictures for that school year. Hell, football had just ended and basketball was going strong -- that's half the pictures in mine. She was toting around her yearbook from the prior year, at work?

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:34 PM (9TU00)

394 I don't have a yearbook (HS drop out at 15) but I wonder how many of you have inscriptions from December.

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (4u7kU)

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I think someone else commented already, but yeah, I sort of remember them coming out near the end of the year in the early 80s. Pretty sure I never got one before Christmas. School had just barely started by then.

When is prom? Wouldn't yearbooks come out after it?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:34 PM (8Zprg)

395 Victoria nails it. Grew up in a small town, and small southern towns are vicious little fuckers.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:35 PM (g4lFK)

396 Why would you put a date next to your signature in a girl's yearbook?

To help your alleged victim establish a timeline for an allegation made 40 years later, of course!

The whole thing smells of bullshit.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:35 PM (8b+oT)

397 @387 I am perfectly okay with #1. The GOPe needs to lose the seat if this is the way they want to play.

Posted by: lizabth at November 14, 2017 08:35 PM (y849F)

398 He should get Seinfeld to cut an ad for him - Love is Love

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:35 PM (9TU00)

399 @385, Rove - if it was Dems be easy to trail, Allred came in at the end here, not the beginning

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:35 PM (QC/4S)

400 The only question, if the McConnell hunta succeeds, is how long it takes for us to act.

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2017 08:25 PM (XQvuQ)
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If it succeeds they will be emboldened to do it again the people will either act or go home, as the TParty did.

Posted by: gNewt at November 14, 2017 08:35 PM (X0SOM)

401
Think about the last waitress you had.
There's a receipt out there with your signature that shows your "connection" to this waitress on a certain at a certain time.

Now that waitress and her lawyer can come out and concoct any story about you they wish. She said you tried to stick your finger in her bum in the parking lot. You gonna deny it? They have the receipt! You were at the restaurant! You were there! Other people saw there!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:35 PM (oF/3c)

402
My mom goes back to the old 300.

She fought at Thermopylae?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (IqV8l)

403 394
I don't have a yearbook (HS drop out at 15) but I wonder how many of you have inscriptions from December.

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 14, 2017 08:31 PM (4u7kU)

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I think someone else commented already, but yeah, I sort of remember
them coming out near the end of the year in the early 80s. Pretty sure
I never got one before Christmas. School had just barely started by
then.

When is prom? Wouldn't yearbooks come out after it?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian
population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:34 PM (8Zprg)

YEP.....the senior formal is in the spring. Spring sports and all the other crap would not be in the year book
Look for other Roys.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (7+qdf)

404 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU

Just about every year around here, one of the strip clubs is busted for having underaged girls. I doubt that's unique to my area.

I guess what I'm saying is: good point.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (39g3+)

405 I would encourage people to read the tweets of Thomas Wictor on Roy Moore. The latest accuser presented a yearbook that appears to be forged. This has the markings of a political hit job.

I'm 100% in support of Roy Moore. I think he can win the vote in Alabama. If Republican crapweasels in the Senate seek to expel him, then they need to show what kind of solid evidence they have against him, otherwise the expulsion will represent an assault on our representative republic.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (AZD0r)

406 What if Moore flips parties again?
Posted by: torabora

Then its OK.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (9TU00)

407 And don't we all sign Christmas cards with "Merry Christmas 1977" and then reiterate it after signing the card with "12/22/77"?

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (mJ8mX)

408 If the GPOe pull this off I recommend they just hire Roger Goodall to run the party. He is doing to the NFL exactly whay the GOPe want done to them.

Posted by: tbodie at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (XMGl9)

409 370 360 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU
Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (9TU00)

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heh, good one.
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (U+nHb)

Or 18 year old internet camgirls.

/did I say that out loud?

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (sdi6R)

410 The government doesn't get to tell the people of AL who can or cannot be their representative. The people of AL determine who represents them in the first place. This wouldn't be a problem if we just repealed the 17th Amendment.

Posted by: EmpireHasNoClothes at November 14, 2017 08:37 PM (tTBAb)

411
What's more, it was just "reported" the "rumors" about fingering waitresses' bums have been "swirling" for years.

Are you gonna deny it and stay in the race for Senate?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:37 PM (oF/3c)

412 Anyone heard from that big sexy mamma jamma Brazile lately?

Is she still vertical?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 14, 2017 08:37 PM (nUkMr)

413 Hmmmm...

I seem to remember a LOT of people on here saying Trump needed to step down... stop running...

After the Grab the Mish stuff...

and.... its a lot of the same people...

Interesting...

Posted by: Don Q., Arcanist at November 14, 2017 08:37 PM (NgKpN)

414 409 370 360 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU
Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (9TU00)

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heh, good one.
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 14, 2017 08:30 PM (U+nHb)

Or 18 year old internet camgirls.

/did I say that out loud?
Posted by: rickl

You need to say it in Russian

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:38 PM (9TU00)

415 He dated someone who was a teenager... therefore he MUST have been a pervert. He MUST have done something inappropriate...

Sure, that's why trot out the three girls who say nothing untoward happened, one of them at age 19. There's nothing there to condemn him for, but they were padding to make it seem like he was a monster.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:38 PM (39g3+)

416
I would encourage people to read the tweets of Thomas Wictor on Roy
Moore. The latest accuser presented a yearbook that appears to be
forged. This has the markings of a political hit job.
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#124

"Not a reliable source."

Posted by: shibumi at November 14, 2017 08:38 PM (aT+Bx)

417 The whole thing smells of bullshit.
Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:35 PM (8b+oT)

--Stinkin' the high heaven

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:38 PM (GsAUU)

418 Somebody should look through that entire yearbook and find every boy named Roy and put a microscope on him. That woman had a friend named Roy and "altered" his message to her.

Posted by: Boots at November 14, 2017 08:34 PM (EBwPV)

I tried to find the yearbook online but have had no success so far. I found a yearbook of mine from the 70's, so they're out there but couldn't find that one.

Posted by: Tami at November 14, 2017 08:38 PM (Enq6K)

419 then they need to show what kind of solid evidence they have against him, otherwise the expulsion will represent an assault on our representative republic.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (AZD0r)

Uh.... the GOPe has ignored the intentions of the voters the last 3 election cycles...

Why should now be any different?

Posted by: Don Q., Arcanist at November 14, 2017 08:39 PM (NgKpN)

420 You become part of the community when the last person that remembers you moved there dies.

Posted by: gNewt at November 14, 2017 08:39 PM (X0SOM)

421 Send money to Roy Moore.

This is all bullshit from the GOPe.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (3BFzK)

422 Just about every year around here, one of the strip clubs is busted for having underaged girls. I doubt that's unique to my area.

I guess what I'm saying is: good point.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:36 PM (39g3+)

and where would this be ? AFAF

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (4u7kU)

423 Yeah, we got our yearbooks in mid-summer. There were photos of the commencement in them.

Our school won a lot of awards (yeah, there are yearbook awards!).

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (GsAUU)

424 yearbook shmearbook

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (QC/4S)

425 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU

HATER!

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (oVJmc)

426 Interesting none of this came out during the 10 Commandments ordeal, which was bigger than this Senate race.

We are ruled by one party. If the last 10 years didn't wake you up to this fact, then you are lost. We can't roll over to these fucksticks.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (g4lFK)

427 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (9TU00)

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Any adult male that's been to the beach.

Heck, any adult male that's been to the mall.

Okay, grocery store.

Outside.

Awake.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (8Zprg)

428 Who do we have that can pass the "I was never a pervert test"? High bar amirite?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 14, 2017 08:41 PM (VezBU)

429 Frankly I do not see anything wrong with what was written in the yearbook if Moore did write it. Anyway who signs their full name to a note to a romantic interest?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 14, 2017 08:41 PM (2DOZq)

430

You know what's a great song for this post by Ace that perfectly encapsulates Ace's feelings on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FkdleIkFyo

Who's gonna tell you when it's too late
Who's gonna tell you things aren't so great

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 08:41 PM (oF/3c)

431 should look through that entire yearbook and find every boy named Roy and put a microscope on him. That woman had a friend named Roy and "altered" his message to her.

Posted by: Boots

or Ray or Kay; oh and check the publication date on that yearbook.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:41 PM (9TU00)

432 You become part of the community when the last person that remembers you moved there dies.
Posted by: gNewt at November 14, 2017 08:39 PM (X0SOM)

PJ O'Rourke asking when his house would be known as the O'Rourke place "Oh when you die."

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2017 08:41 PM (dEQP3)

433 I tried to find the yearbook online but have had no success so far. I found a yearbook of mine from the 70's, so they're out there but couldn't find that one.

Posted by: Tami at November 14, 2017 08:38 PM (Enq6K)
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I'm guessing whoever put up the money for this hit has also paid to remove that yearbook from the internet. The school itself might have old copies in its library, and anyone who attended that school and purchased a yearbook might have one in their garage or attic.

Posted by: Boots at November 14, 2017 08:41 PM (EBwPV)

434 Merry Christmas, kids! Here's your yearbooks! We got all the great moments of your first five weeks and that leaves lots of room for Christmas signatures! Just ignore your next five months, nothing much happens.

Bullshit.

Yearbooks come out right before the school year ends around May.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:41 PM (8b+oT)

435 @428 pervert is such a general term....

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:42 PM (QC/4S)

436 Send money to Roy Moore.

This is all bullshit from the GOPe.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

Where ...

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:42 PM (9TU00)

437 427 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (9TU00)
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Any adult male that's been to the beach.

Heck, any adult male that's been to the mall.

Okay, grocery store.

Outside.

Awake.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (8Zprg)

i cant leave for a minutes without getting talked about behind my back.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 14, 2017 08:43 PM (VezBU)

438 Nood. 9th Circus

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2017 08:43 PM (BoMuO)

439 427 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (9TU00)

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Any adult male that's been to the beach.

Heck, any adult male that's been to the mall.

Okay, grocery store.

Outside.

Awake.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (8Zprg)

--LMAO, guilty.

Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:43 PM (GsAUU)

440 Somebody should look through that entire yearbook and find every boy
named Roy and put a microscope on him. That woman had a friend named Roy
and "altered" his message to her.

Posted by: Boots
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Yep.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:44 PM (8b+oT)

441 But Gloria Allred, the WaPo (official paper of the CIA), and our one party thought leaders, political leaders, and corporate oligarchs are reliable scources.

Jeeeeesuuus you have to be kidding me.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:44 PM (g4lFK)

442 Also the age that a person can MARRY in AL was 14 when Roy Moore was out looking for a wife. (I think it still is, but now it needs parental consent.) But dating someone that age is not illegal; screwing them is. Big difference here.

Posted by: Victoria at November 14, 2017 08:44 PM (hTI+8)

443 Mitch McConnell, "I believe Moore did it because i did the same thing, well, it was with the family cat, but you know, similar".

Posted by: OCBill at November 14, 2017 08:44 PM (I1WUK)

444 Okay, HYPOTHETICALLY, would once wanking to a Traci Lords movie keep me from being seated in the US Senate (once being defined as somewhere between a single time and three times a day for four years)?

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 08:44 PM (oVJmc)

445
Remember the Traci Lords scandal back in the mid to late '80s. What was she, 15 when she started. IIRC, she had fake documents showing her age over 18.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 14, 2017 08:44 PM (8O3HH)

446 Donate to support Judge Roy Moore for Senate

https://www.roymoore. org /Support-Judge-Moore/

Connect the spaces.

Posted by: gNewt at November 14, 2017 08:45 PM (X0SOM)

447 It would be a problem in New york and probably ohio. Not in Alabama. Do go wobbly now ace.

Posted by: Simplemind at November 14, 2017 08:45 PM (ZuGkg)

448 439 427 Everyone who has tossed a few bucks at an 18yo stripper needs to STFU

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (9TU00)

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Any adult male that's been to the beach.

Heck, any adult male that's been to the mall.

Okay, grocery store.

Outside.

Awake.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:40 PM (8Zprg)

--LMAO, guilty.
Posted by: logprof at November 14, 2017 08:43 PM (GsAUU)

Gulf coast during spring break.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:45 PM (g4lFK)

449 I'm guessing whoever put up the money for this hit has also paid to remove that yearbook from the internet.

Not all schools have archived their yearbooks, especially smaller, rural ones. The further back you go, the less likely it is. Not surprising this one is in the gap. It would be super simple for a reporter to go to the school library and get one to study though. If they really wanted to do the work.

Yearbooks come out right before the school year ends around May.

We got ours around September of the following year, which made signatures awkward for seniors. It varies, but I'm not aware of ANY who get them around Christmas.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:45 PM (39g3+)

450 Where the hell is this "he did not deny the claims" coming from? The Hannity interview? That's it?

Because if we're going to do original sources, which we should, here is Moore's statement on the first WaPo story.

http://bit.ly/2zLfDCX

Here's the statement from Friday:

http://bit.ly/2zM012h

Here's the statement from Allred on Monday:

http://bit.ly/2z3eERi

In all of those he refers to the allegations as lies. He uses the
term intentional defamation. He calls it a witch hunt. He
categorically denies engaging in sexual impropriety with anyone.

Again, Moore could be lying through his teeth in all of those
statements, a position which I think has the possibility of being true.

But these claims that he hasn't denied vigorously these allegation is just flat out wrong.

Posted by: alexthechick
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I just wanted to repeat this for you.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:45 PM (8b+oT)

451 Hannity should go after the yearbook... No other news outlet is. Funny how no other news outlet is investigating that angle...not fox, drudge...etc etc etc.....strange that

Posted by: E.T. at November 14, 2017 08:46 PM (P1GJy)

452 they had to go back, what 50 years? to dig something up...that should tell you something

Posted by: runner at November 14, 2017 08:46 PM (QC/4S)

453 What if Moore flips parties again?

I could scarce blame him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:47 PM (60v4h)

454 In my humble estimation, there are only two names that have a chance to win -- Moore or Jones, the two names on the ballot.

To be ruthlessly political in maintaining the seat (as you claim to want to be), we need to shout down these allegations regardless of whatever doubts we might have inside. He is in his 70's, been married for ever, has children and grand children, and all the allegations (even if given credit) are all very very old, when he was a young man. There are no allegations that he was a middle aged pedophile predator. That tells me the allegations are probably BS (because people do not just outgrow such preverted predilections), but even if they are not BS, he obviously is no longer a pedophile predator and no danger to the innocent youth in DC. The middle school of DC will be safe with Moore in town. So, we need to elect Moore to keep this seat. Every republican or republican leaning voter needs to be encouraged to support Moore.

Then if ten other boots drop between now and election, we can adopt your first plan. Elect Moore but refuse to seat him. However, that should only be an emergency ripcord if some 14 year old produces a blue dress with a mixture of 40 year old Moore semen and virgin hymen blood smeared all over it.

Posted by: tommylotto at November 14, 2017 08:47 PM (oozmg)

455 It's not clear to many. I was initially suspicious but the articles about people in Gadsden chattering about this for decades makes me believe there's enough truth here.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2017 07:36 PM (8rNrN)

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My God Ace. There were not people in Gadsden talking about this for decades.

There were people emailing shit to some reporter . Did you even read the article?

200% on Team Moore, MAGA!

Posted by: MAGA at November 14, 2017 08:48 PM (LnOh3)

456 I appreciate the thought ace put into this but when I look at the options I don't see any good ones there. None of them seem more likely or helpful than just letting the guy run and trusting the voters. Congress isn't going to block him. The Alabama GOP isn't going to de-certify him; that's just begging for a godawful lawsuit from a former judge.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 08:48 PM (39g3+)

457 Also the age that a person can MARRY in AL was 14 when Roy Moore was out looking for a wife. (I think it still is, but now it needs parental consent.) But dating someone that age is not illegal; screwing them is. Big difference here.
Posted by: Victoria at November 14, 2017 08:44 PM (hTI+

Exactly. And back then in small towns, it was common for parents to seek out older established men for their teenage daughters to hopefully marry and have kids and a big family.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 08:48 PM (g4lFK)

458 It would be a problem in New york

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I seriously doubt that. Not if they approached it honestly.

Shoot, I'd imagine even now in 2017 there are PLENTY of grown-ass men in Baltimore, Chicago, DC, Detroit, etc. sleeping with 15-19 year olds.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:49 PM (8Zprg)

459 I always write the date by my signature, just the year, then, just to be sure, I write the date again with month, day and last two digits of the year so everyone's sure about when I wrote my message to my friend.

Bullshit.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:50 PM (8b+oT)

460 What if Moore flips parties again?

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Isn't he running as a Republican?

Ta-dah!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:50 PM (8Zprg)

461 I signed 7th and 8th grade girls yearbooks when i taught that class. Just sayin'. In retrospect my signature may have looked like a penis, but it coulda been a tree...the tree of life...thats it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 14, 2017 08:50 PM (VezBU)

462 Are you saying Alred is a dog whistle for sleazy corruption?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 14, 2017 08:33 PM (7+qdf)

She runs to the whistle.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 14, 2017 08:51 PM (IWbvi)

463 Sessions: 'There's no reason not to believe women'?

When Sessions was trying to get his job, these same people called him a Klansman. I guess there's no reason not to believe it.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 14, 2017 08:51 PM (Ndje9)

464 PJ O'Rourke asking when his house would be known as the O'Rourke place "Oh when you die."
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2017 08:41 PM

Ah, yes. The 'moving to New Hampshire' essay.

So. Much. Truth.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 14, 2017 08:52 PM (Qa1CP)

465 Not all schools have archived their yearbooks, especially smaller, rural ones. The further back you go, the less likely it is. Not surprising this one is in the gap. It would be super simple for a reporter to go to the school library and get one to study though. If they really wanted to do the work.

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Believe it or not, I found yearbooks from that highschool for the years '52, '53, '54, '55, '69 and '71...but no '77.

Posted by: Tami at November 14, 2017 08:52 PM (Enq6K)

466 453 What if Moore flips parties again?

I could scarce blame him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 08:47 PM (60v4h)

Was he a democrat when he was a pervert.....Alleged pervert?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 14, 2017 08:53 PM (VezBU)

467 People in Gadsden have been chattering for decades about how gullible people have become when they believe every story written by a single person talking about what people in Gadsden have been chattering about.

Posted by: Dang at November 14, 2017 08:56 PM (8b+oT)

468 Alabamian here. All this has done is make me more likely to get out and vote instead of being lazy because it's a safe seat. The way I see it:

Short game: Moore is the most likely non-Jones candidate to win. Vote Moore.

Long game: 40-year-old unproven, shaky accusations from WaPo derail an otherwise secure race? Hang it up, because the only thing more reliable than the gope's proclivity to lose with honor is the certainty of Dem cheating. If this works once, the engine's burnt out and we're sliding backwards into the abyss.

Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at November 14, 2017 08:56 PM (Nu6Gg)

469 Was he a democrat when he was a pervert.....Alleged pervert?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 14, 2017 08:53 PM (VezBU)

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No, silly. When will you people learn? The (D)s and (R)s flipped at some unknown point in the past, and if he WAS a (D) it meant he was really an (R) if/when he did bad stuff.

All the good stuff like freeing the slaves is totes (D), though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - carried over to a good chunk of the Russian population via Mongol rape at November 14, 2017 08:58 PM (8Zprg)

470 I live in Birmingham. My plan is to write in someone, hell maybe myself.

Long time lurker first time poster.

Now you're not gonna want to hear this but Roy Moore ain't the hill to die on. He's always been a showboat and fraud.

I mean this is the guy who blamed 9/11 as punishment on America for its moral failings. Yes you read that right. I'd love to hear all you tough guys defend Judge Cornpone on that one.

Its bad enough that so many of my fellow Republicans sound like all those people in the 90's making excuses for Bill Clinton.

I mean shit, I voted for Trump and I hate the GOPe but you're not going to see me rationalize how its ok for a 32 year old man to be putting moves on sixteen year olds. Politics is not worth losing your soul over and sorry, but some of these women seem credible.

This race was over in the primaries due to Mo Brooks running the most idiotic and dumb campaign I've ever seen and I went in ready to vote for him. At one point he actually called upon all the candidates to resign so that Jeff Sessions could be given the seat. I mean really stupid stunts like that, only rivaled by Luther Strange alienating everyone by burning bails of cash on advertisements that just made people hate him more.

Posted by: Warbuck at November 14, 2017 08:58 PM (lyGIv)

471 ....all moore needs to do is prove the yearbook is fake and this entire mess will go away, all of it, every accusation...there is plenty of time before the election

Posted by: E.T. at November 14, 2017 08:58 PM (P1GJy)

472 61 I signed 7th and 8th grade girls yearbooks when i taught that class. Just sayin'. In retrospect my signature may have looked like a penis, but it coulda been a tree...the tree of life...thats it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 14, 2017 08:50 PM (VezBU)

LOL
I see you have a theme tonight, no matter what the thread.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla or morose moronic moose muse at November 14, 2017 08:59 PM (DMcz+)

473
In reverse order:

(and what may be coming is (1) further allegations -- and (2) evidence, and (3) growing moral qualms about pulling the lever for Moore, even if done with the intent of not electing Moore).

The Democrats are clearly using (1) & (3). These are bad reasons to NOT vote for Moore.

The GOPe is scared of Moore. McConnell is likely to load his pants on the Senate Floor.

If Moore wins, a very large number of the GOPe are likely to be de-elected.

(2) is a good reason ... but Slick Willie was elected, and its taken 40+ years to finally (?) get Harvey the Lump ...

... and what evidence I've seen against Moore is little more than 30+ year-old charges, the recent Yeah-we've-known-about-his-teenager-contacts-for-decades-and-done-nothing.

Are there any police reports, sealed judicial actions (suits, court orders, etc.), i.e., strong evidence?

Is there a Chappaquiddick in Moore's past? There was one (The Chappaquiddick) in Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's, ... and he was STILL elected to the US Senate and seated ... repeatedly.

If we're gonna back Roy Moore, then we have to all agree that we're backing this horse, come what may ...

Courage. FORCE the presentation of STRONG evidence now ... not in 2 weeks. "They've" had 30+ years to collect ... now show us, publicly, on national news and in national newspapers, everything, before Thanksgiving.

Whatever is going to be done, it must be done quickly and resolutely.

Push the button. There's a reason that Anthony Weiner is now unemployable.

Vote for Moore.

Posted by: Arbalest - GNAMM Survivor at November 14, 2017 09:00 PM (FlRtG)

474 Of course, Ace, we could just admit the obvious truth: our entire legal and electoral system has become worthless, and will not be fixed by anything other than violence applied to all those who tore it to shreds to destroy America.

Posted by: SDN at November 14, 2017 09:01 PM (z3gg+)

475 I don't think Moore is going to step aside so this is going to have to happen despite him.
Posted by: Jill V2 at November

You know what whole innocent until proven guilty thing? You will be appalled at the allegations which could be made against you.
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2017 08:28 PM (vuY5x)

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You're right. Lots of people can allege all kinds of things. That's why there is a statute of limitations and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in criminal trials. That's why there's a statute of limitations and presumption of innocence until proven guilty by a preponderance of the evidence in civil trials.

There are no such standards when it comes to politics. It's a complex mix of what your public image was before, how fast on your feet you are in defending yourself, how credible or not the accusations against you are, and whether the media decides to park a hurricane of bad coverage over your head.

So far Moore is coming up short in effectively defending himself. If I were in AL I would still vote for him at this point, but I'm a partisan who will feel real pain if the Dems take the seat. Special elections like this are low turnout events. Not every GOP or independent voter will drag themselves to the polls to vote for someone they feel lukewarm about. The Dems on the other hand, smell blood and will be delighted to skip into the voting booth for the chance of winning the seat temporarily and unleashing hordes of stories about how the GOP is a mess, , etc.

Truth and fairness don't enter into it, sadly.

Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:02 PM (8zN2Y)

476 Birmingham is the hub of GOPestablishment.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2017 09:05 PM (60v4h)

477 People saying that Moore hasn't done enough to defend himself:

What could he do to satisfy you?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 09:05 PM (q6jjE)

478 Posted by: Warbuck at November 14, 2017 08:58 PM (lyGIv)

Long time lurker first time poster.

Well welcome aboard. Thanks for de-cloaking.

Nicely written post and good to know the local scuttlebut on this guy.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla or morose moronic moose muse at November 14, 2017 09:06 PM (DMcz+)

479 I looked through a couple yearbooks today, both mine and my daughters...not one person dated their signature. And by December, the previous year's books were shunted aside. Moore is innocent and if we let the dems use this tactic for a win, they will do it every time. They tried it with Trump. Go Roy!

Posted by: CN at November 14, 2017 09:07 PM (5gaNQ)

480 Politics is not worth losing your soul over and sorry, but some of these women seem credible.

Yeah but are they the ones who say he molested them or just the ones who said he dated them? Because you know as well as I do that makes a huge difference.

If this entire story was just "Moore dated 16 year old girls" it wouldn't have gone anywhere.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 09:09 PM (39g3+)

481 457: He did nothing wrong. I do not believe judging yesterday's actions (let alone 40 years) by today's laws and headlines.

Posted by: CN at November 14, 2017 09:10 PM (5gaNQ)

482 Maybe other stuff comes out that may change things. But as of tonight Moore is up 6 and with nothing else coming will win by double digits. Secondly, the idea that the elites in the senate are gonna expel him is not gonna happen.

Posted by: jmell7 at November 14, 2017 09:10 PM (sDmve)

483 So you're saying we need to be as ruthless as Democrats and vote for the candidate, no matter what his sins and crimes. Okay, I'm down with that. These are dangerous times.

Posted by: Mary at November 14, 2017 09:13 PM (2ly7u)

484 George Santayana repeats himself.

Posted by: todd akin's zombie career at November 14, 2017 09:13 PM (mJ8mX)

485 Every single time some of you idiots fall for it.

Thank god Trump stood and fought. Otherwise we'd have Hillary as president.

Jesus, you'd think you would learn but no...some just love their shit sandwiches.

This is a political hatchet job. The greater hysteria against Moore, the greater the threat he is to them.

Alabama has known Moore for 60+ years. They know the truth.

And where do you all get off taking Alabamians voting rights away?

And Cruz throwing Moore under the bus is par for the course. Phony that he is. Just like he accused Trump of being responsible for Dem violence by holding rallies.

Posted by: Winkin, Blinkin and Nod at November 14, 2017 09:14 PM (C+Q5F)

486 People saying that Moore hasn't done enough to defend himself:

What could he do to satisfy you?
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 09:05 PM (q6jjE)
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He needed to sit down with a lawyer, explain everything he could remember, and work out a set of clear, short, blunt denials & explanations. Then he needed to spend several hours practicing it under hostile questioning. Then he needed to deliver that defense when a friendly interviewer like Hannity was gently probing and giving him the opportunity to deny the accusations.

He came across unclear and shifty to me. Now maybe that's just because he had a hard time remembering, he's older and could have been tired from dealing with this, and he's not used to being accused of sexual misconduct.

Now....I don't know. He could try the Geraldine Ferraro approach: call a press conference and answer each and every question until the reporters run out of them. Unfortunately, I'm not sure he's got the political skill and stamina to manage that kind of high stakes verbal combat.

His best bet might be to hunker down, hope nothing new comes up, and see if his polls stabilize.

The AL GOP may not find that the best bet for keeping the seat.

Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:14 PM (8zN2Y)

487 470 Now you're not gonna want to hear this but Roy Moore ain't the hill to die on. He's always been a showboat and fraud. Posted by: Warbuck

Maybe, maybe not--but this isn't really about Moore, just like the Mueller Fraud isn't about Trump.

They are both about screwing over the People because our Betters have decided who should rule us. He couldn't be more fraudulent than the phonys who are trying to take him down.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 14, 2017 09:15 PM (Ndje9)

488 You cannot tell Alabama what to do. Let's embrace the man and judge him on his dedication to the Constitution and his commitment to the well-being of freemen.

Posted by: Fritz at November 14, 2017 09:16 PM (ZkTuR)

489 457: He did nothing wrong. I do not believe judging yesterday's actions (let alone 40 years) by today's laws and headlines.
Posted by: CN

100% agree with you. He did nothing wrong. In fact from a biologogical and evolutionary viewpoint, he maximized his sexual market value.

He did everything right.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 09:17 PM (g4lFK)

490 483 So you're saying we need to be as ruthless as Democrats and vote for the candidate, no matter what his sins and crimes. Okay, I'm down with that. These are dangerous times.
Posted by: Mary at November 14, 2017 09:13 PM (2ly7u)

No, I for one am saying, this smells like a total fraud..a la Harry Reid's lie about Romney. They pulled this shit with Trump. If it turns into a winning formula, they'll keep at it. Let the pussyheads march their very little brains out. They've proven nothing

Posted by: CN at November 14, 2017 09:18 PM (5gaNQ)

491 Meh, I say vote Moore in and if he did anything that is illegal, throw him out once convicted, but not before.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 14, 2017 09:18 PM (v3DL/)

492 We are in a war against a ruling elite that has every intention of staying in power by any means necessary.

If we can be allies with nation, the Soviet Union-- that killed millions of its own citizens--in order to defeat Nazi Germany, ........surely we can hold our noses and vote for Roy Moore.

Or give Moore money if you live outside Alabama.

Giving the Dems the AL Senate seat is, to me , unconscionable.

Posted by: Redgrains at November 14, 2017 09:20 PM (WPxnj)

493 I don't care if he's cornpone. I don't care if he said stupid stuff in the past. I think defending our candidates against staged horseshit is absolutely the hill to die on, otherwise every last one of our candidates will be destroyed by our own hands as unsubstantiated allegations will be all we need to run away in baby tears

Posted by: CN at November 14, 2017 09:21 PM (5gaNQ)

494 478 Posted by: Warbuck at November 14, 2017 08:58 PM (lyGIv)

Long time lurker first time poster.

Well welcome aboard. Thanks for de-cloaking.

Nicely written post and good to know the local scuttlebut on this guy.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla or morose moronic moose muse at November 14, 2017 09:06 PM (DMcz+)

Funny, I have friends and close family involved in politics throughout the South, who say nothing but good things about Moore for the last 20 years. Some have worked with him.

Guess that woman in group preference is more important than felony false allegations that can destroy a man's life.

I pity y'alls sons if you have any.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 09:22 PM (g4lFK)

495 To the Dem, GOPe, and other rinos,

FUCK YOU!
War!

Posted by: Ben Franklin at November 14, 2017 09:22 PM (3Lhng)

496 Sorry to see you caving on this, Ace. After this, EVERY Republican candidate can be accursed of doing something 40 years ago with a sexual tinge, and then we all have to accept Mitch Mconnell's candidate. No way.

As several others have noted, this was used against Trump, who essentially said "F*%& You".

Actually, I don't think any of the accusations are that significant. He flirted with someone 40 years ago. He got aggressive with a female date (we have no idea if there was any lead up to that aggression) in 1975. He liked to date younger women. While we are it, let's dig up Nixon's bones because he was a bad person 40 years ago

Win or lose, I hope he stays in the race. And if the Senate tries to remove him, well, they will guarantee defeat in '18. (Remember, he has not been convicted of anything).

Btw, i have no connection with Alabama, but I am seriously sick of seeing the GOPe wreck the party.

Posted by: Tom Scott at November 14, 2017 09:23 PM (9/QQm)

497 You cannot tell Alabama what to do. Let's embrace the man and judge him on his dedication to the Constitution and his commitment to the well-being of freemen.
Posted by: Fritz at November 14, 2017 09:16 PM (ZkTuR)
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Alabama voters and the Alabama GOP will make their decisions.

The National GOP, US Senators & Representatives, and voters outside Alabama will also make their own decisions.

Right now Moore doesn't look like a winner. It's possible he wins the seat given how red AL is. Next year every single US Rep is up for election and a third of the Senate. If the Republicans outside AL think that Moore will be used as a cudgel against them, they will do everything possible to quarantine the damage.

For the Dems, this is potentially the best opportunity to survive what should be a bad set of Senate races in 2018. Todd Akin was used as a weapon way beyond Missouri.

We've lost a bunch of Senate seats we should have had over the last 8 years. A few seats going differently would have left us in a much better position to fight off Obamacare before it sunk its roots in as an entitlement.

Whatever happens in this situation, we must not lose the AL Senate seat, and we must win more seats in 2018.

Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:25 PM (8zN2Y)

498 So conservatives surrender. How many years was it that the swimmer served in the Senate unimpeded *after* Chappaquiddick?

Posted by: Random thought generator at November 14, 2017 09:25 PM (1EwqP)

499 After last year, Ace is still trusting media polling?

I'm trying to understand the logic of the people of Alabama deciding to vote for the Democrat due to a pretty obvious sleazy political smear job.

Reminds me a lot of a year ago saying Trump had no chance of winning because of the Access Hollywood tape.

I could be wrong, but trying for a 3 bank shot seems kind of dumb based on the idea of "Moore is dropping in THE POLLS".

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 14, 2017 09:27 PM (wfDW1)

500 I heard mcstain raped someone once and he should resign unless he can prove otherwise.

Posted by: Wapo reporter at November 14, 2017 09:28 PM (jxw6R)

501 Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:25 PM (8zN2Y)

Oh shut up, troll.

Posted by: Winkin, Blinkin and Nod at November 14, 2017 09:29 PM (C+Q5F)

502 There has always been some bit of elections that resembled intelligence operations. What I've seen since the 90s and accelerating since 2009 is that they are becoming all intelligence ops. What is printed in the press, on TV, and the internet is a swamp of paid for disinformation. Truth and lies woven together in a "Gordian" knot.

Do I know what Moore did or didn't do 38 years ago. No. No one outside those who were there in person knows and they, now, have every reason to lie. Too much power and money are on the line.

All I do know is that if a Democrat wins this seat there will be hell to pay. Not just from what will happen in the Senate but from all the crap that was flung around since July 2015. The divide is going to become a chasm, wide and very deep.

So willow me baby, 6 to the bar.

Posted by: geoffb at November 14, 2017 09:31 PM (zOpu5)

503 Damn the dirt balls !
Full speed ahead !

Posted by: deguello at November 14, 2017 09:32 PM (cWAlb)

504 486 People saying that Moore hasn't done enough to defend himself:

What could he do to satisfy you?
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 14, 2017 09:05 PM (q6jjE)
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He needed to sit down with a lawyer, explain everything he could remember, and work out a set of clear, short, blunt denials & explanations. Then he needed to spend several hours practicing it under hostile questioning. Then he needed to deliver that defense when a friendly interviewer like Hannity was gently probing and giving him the opportunity to deny the accusations.

He came across unclear and shifty to me. Now maybe that's just because he had a hard time remembering, he's older and could have been tired from dealing with this, and he's not used to being accused of sexual misconduct.

Now....I don't know. He could try the Geraldine Ferraro approach: call a press conference and answer each and every question until the reporters run out of them. Unfortunately, I'm not sure he's got the political skill and stamina to manage that kind of high stakes verbal combat.

His best bet might be to hunker down, hope nothing new comes up, and see if his polls stabilize.

The AL GOP may not find that the best bet for keeping the seat.
Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:14 PM (8zN2Y)

So he should come off as not authentic and hiding something because of that instead of authentic and being himself.

Day of the paper cuts and lemon juice can't come soon enough for those in PR.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 09:32 PM (g4lFK)

505 It looks like the French lessons might have affected Ace more than he realized.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2017 09:34 PM (mJ8mX)

506 Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:25 PM (8zN2Y)

Oh shut up, troll.

Posted by: Winkin, Blinkin and Nod at November 14, 2017 09:29 PM (C+Q5F)
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It's a free country. You get your opinion. I get mine.

I think Moore is badly damaged. He may be innocent. I want us to win the seat. I doubt he'll step aside so I guess it would be best if AL voters vote for either Moore or settle on a single write in candidate.

I don't live in AL, so I'm just watching on the sidelines.

Have a nice evening, W,B, & N.

Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:34 PM (8zN2Y)

507 On Drudge there is a link regarding a robo call from the Washington Post offering women between the ages of 54-57 $5000 -$7000 for negative info on Moore.
So we need to hold the seat and if they want to replace him later with a Republican I'm ok with that.
The Dems just want to impeach Trump, stop his agenda and are worried about another SCOTUS appt.
If he doesn't drop out then VOTE MOORE

Posted by: redridinghood at November 14, 2017 09:35 PM (PvFoN)

508 Yah! We don't even have to have elections anymore. We'll decide who we want in our criminal club.

We don't even have to pay off homeless Dems to vote in Republican primaries. Just accuse and punish the voters choice without any proof or legal process.

Just gets easier and easier.

Posted by: GOPe AKA Democrats at November 14, 2017 09:36 PM (C+Q5F)

509 Sen. Blumenthal first hit on his wife when she was 16 and he was in his 30's. He claims that he didn't start dating her for a few years, and I'm sure he would never tell a lie....

So, it's not just young men of the South who have a thing for lithe little 16 year old fem forms, and we already arguably have a pedophile in the senate.

Posted by: tommylotto at November 14, 2017 09:37 PM (EmQBp)

510 Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:14 PM (8zN2Y)

So he should come off as not authentic and hiding something because of that instead of authentic and being himself.

Day of the paper cuts and lemon juice can't come soon enough for those in PR.
Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 09:32 PM (g4lFK)
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There's an art and skill to handling hostile questions. Some people have it and some don't.

Are you of an age to remember Col. Oliver North handling the grilling by Congress over Iran-Contra? He stood up to withering questions and cleaned their clocks. Not everyone can do that well.

PR flacks get hired because we live in a shallow society where looking & sounding good on TV is prized. Sad, but that's the way it goes.

Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:40 PM (8zN2Y)

511 "I think Moore is badly damaged."

No, you are on a mission to spread the crap around.

You should be outraged at what is happening instead you are supporting the witch hunt, political hit job.

Posted by: Winkin, Blinkin and Nod at November 14, 2017 09:43 PM (C+Q5F)

512 I am firmly convinced that this smear job is jointly cooked up by the Dems and the GOPe. Neither want him in the Senate and the GOPe is willing to lose the seat for the sake of keeping their country club exclusive.

And I don't believe any polls on this race showing any further changes in the way people are voting. There is no preference cascade coming, and I can't believe Ace still believes those things happen. The polls are just as biased as they were a year ago. Moore has the lost all the support he is going to lose now, and if he is still showing a lead it is going to hold.

This reminds me so much of last year when I kept pointing out that Trump had a hard floor of 42% support and nothing was going to change that. Clinton's numbers were all over the map, but Trump's support was rock solid regardless of what slime they were going to throw at him.

If the polls showed Moore behind right now, then it might be time to consider the crazy scenarios. But he isn't.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 14, 2017 09:44 PM (wfDW1)

513 Dating and courting does not mean sex. As a matter of fact, a man would want a young woman to hold off on sex until marriage to show she is a virgin.

Reality is not porn and porn is not reality.

Don't like the age of consent laws of 16 then change them.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 09:45 PM (g4lFK)

514 510 Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:14 PM (8zN2Y)

So he should come off as not authentic and hiding something because of that instead of authentic and being himself.

Day of the paper cuts and lemon juice can't come soon enough for those in PR.
Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 09:32 PM (g4lFK)
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There's an art and skill to handling hostile questions. Some people have it and some don't.

Are you of an age to remember Col. Oliver North handling the grilling by Congress over Iran-Contra? He stood up to withering questions and cleaned their clocks. Not everyone can do that well.

PR flacks get hired because we live in a shallow society where looking & sounding good on TV is prized. Sad, but that's the way it goes.
Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:40 PM (8zN2Y)

I think Roy Moore did fine. His accusers look like liars and attention whores wanting 15 seconds of fame.

If they were credible they should file criminal charges, but they are and they can't because Roy Moore did nothing wrong or illegal.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 09:51 PM (g4lFK)

515 The establishment and other useless deep state cunts are doing everything they can to discredit Moore because he's about to replace Ruth the walking, talking brain-dead corpse Ginsberg before Donny Two-Scoops' term is over. Ruth, retire and enjoy the rest of your existence upon this Earth like that paragon of virtue and magnificence, John McCain.

Posted by: Fritz at November 14, 2017 09:52 PM (ZkTuR)

516 On the last accuser, is unbelievable to me for this reason:

What 16 year old girl, waiting for her boyfriend to pick her up after work, takes instead a ride with a relative stranger? (and an older guy, not attractive to her) And when the boyfriend shows up and she's not there, what then? Would she rick pissing off current boyfriend just to catch an earlier ride? That's just not plausible. Plus, the yearbook post is suspect too - who dates a yearbook post? It's a yearbook! I question the 14 y.o. too - Moore was high-profile, and just a phone call from the parents would have bounced him, IMO.

Posted by: Mr Weekend at November 14, 2017 09:52 PM (QBWfa)

517 One write in Candidate to rule them all, Motherfuckers:

Bocephus

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 14, 2017 09:52 PM (QgDuz)

518 All are bad options.

1) Vote for the person that will best promote your beliefs.

2) If that person is Moore, that's fine, there is a reason we have an Innocent until Proven Guilty mindset in America.

3) Let the courts decide afterwards. If he is convicted then remove him. If ala Menendez and others, he is not, then he stays until next election.

But to advocate stealing the votes of Alabama citizens and deny sitting the person they voted to represent them....that makes me want to harm someone.

Posted by: doug at November 14, 2017 09:54 PM (89il5)

519 Sessions is a rare "double turd"

Posted by: Ahhh Tolstoy at November 14, 2017 09:55 PM (m1jEH)

520 Ace --
I really like this site, and all the contributing bloggers. And the Moron Horde.

But please butt out of Alabama politics. We'll handle things. We know Moore is flawed, but he's our gigantic "fuck y'all" to the DC swamp. That's precisely why we want him. Luther Strange is a swamp creature, and is utterly unacceptable for that reason.

Posted by: Anonymous in 'Bama at November 14, 2017 09:56 PM (v5uOx)

521 "I am firmly convinced that this smear job is jointly cooked up by the Dems and the GOPe. Neither want him in the Senate and the GOPe is willing to lose the seat for the sake of keeping their country club exclusive."

Of course it is. It's clear as day.

It's a smear job meant to tell the voters that we are ruled by the corrupt elite.

Shit, they've tried, sentenced and already announced punishment. They are judge, jury, and executioner.

Why have laws at all? Oh, yeah those are only for the little people.

We literally do not have a country any longer.

Hillary and Bill are walking around free yet some guy who held hands and kissed teen girls with permission from their parents for old fashioned courting is hung out to dry.

Posted by: Winkin, Blinkin and Nod at November 14, 2017 09:58 PM (C+Q5F)

522 It's a free country. You get your opinion. I get mine.

I think Moore is badly damaged. He may be innocent. I want us to win the seat. I doubt he'll step aside so I guess it would be best if AL voters vote for either Moore or settle on a single write in candidate.

I don't live in AL, so I'm just watching on the sidelines.

Have a nice evening, W,B, & N.
Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:34 PM (8zN2Y)

He's only damaged because his own party immediately threw him under the bus.

Also he has categorically denied all of the assault accusations. The rest about dating legal aged women in the 17-19 year old range is the only part where he has been lawyerly. What more do you want??????

The rest requires that the accusers offer something more than hearsay.

Oh, and Moore was not banned from the mall. Yeah gads, people can't get that right and the story is from yesterday.

But, go ahead and throw Moore to the wolves because the next time it will be you.

BTW, I know personally that Jill V2 is a troll who was Miss 80's Baby before.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 09:58 PM (J70i0)

523 What To Do About Roy Moore and the At-Risk AL Senate Seat?

Keep pushing firebrand populists and then blame #NeverTrump when something like this happens again...

Posted by: Steve Bannon, currently raping the corpse of Andrew Breitbart at November 14, 2017 10:00 PM (itfg0)

524 If they had to go back 40 years to find a sin someone may have committed....make him Chief Justice for all I care.

Posted by: doug at November 14, 2017 10:03 PM (89il5)

525 First: The Republican Senators announce, more or less to a person, that if elected, Roy Moore would not be seated. This then permits the Alabama GOP to attempt a campaign claiming "Vote for Roy Moore just so that the Republican governor may appoint a replacement in his stead." In other words, vote for Roy Moore, get a Republican other than Roy Moore. (Not Luther Strange, as he was specifically rejected by Republican voters.)

Dangerous precedent. It would give Dems carte blanche, when they get control, to refuse all Republicans. In a nightmare scenario where the Dems make 2018 look like 2006 or even 1958, they'd do it because they'd be in a position to imminentize their eschaton...

Posted by: Some random eschaton at November 14, 2017 10:04 PM (itfg0)

526 Bocephus
neigh! neigh!

Posted by: senator incitatus at November 14, 2017 10:04 PM (mJ8mX)

527 Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:40 PM (8zN2Y)

I think Roy Moore did fine. His accusers look like liars and attention whores wanting 15 seconds of fame.

If they were credible they should file criminal charges, but they are and they can't because Roy Moore did nothing wrong or illegal.
Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 09:51 PM (g4lFK)
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It's a judgement call. I didn't hear it the same way. I don't know that he's guilty of anything other than liking to date pretty young girls when he was single. He just didn't sound convincing to me.

I'm not sure what to think of the accusers. I hit a registration/paywall when I tried to read the original article, and it'll be a cold day in Hell before I give the WaPo any information or $. I didn't see the 5th woman's press conference because I won't subject myself to the sight of Gloria Allred. [Michelle Malkin referred to Allred as a "publicity tapeworm" when she surfaced to torpedo another GOP candidate years ago and the image stuck.] From what I've read of the coverage, three of the original women just said he sought to date them when they were just at or above the legal age of consent. That doesn't bother me, it wasn't all that unusual 40 years ago.

They can't file criminal charges. All of this is decades past the statutes of limitation.

We're stuck with he said/she said. It's possible that this is just a vile smear. It's possible there's some kernel of truth. We'll probably never know.

Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 10:06 PM (8zN2Y)

528 Yeah, remind me again why this is a BFD?

The GOP got handed the Senate, House, and the Presidency and can't manage to do shit.

I actually never thought I'd buy into the Let It Burn thing, but I'd be lying if I said it's not looking bettter and better.

Posted by: Strat at November 14, 2017 10:07 PM (fzJhR)

529 "BTW, I know personally that Jill V2 is a troll who was Miss 80's Baby before."

Yep. It's a troll. It thinks it's so smart but it's an obvious 'concern' troll.

Posted by: Winkin, Blinkin and Nod at November 14, 2017 10:15 PM (C+Q5F)

530 Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 09:34 PM (8zN2Y)

He's only damaged because his own party immediately threw him under the bus.

Also he has categorically denied all of the assault accusations. The rest about dating legal aged women in the 17-19 year old range is the only part where he has been lawyerly. What more do you want??????

The rest requires that the accusers offer something more than hearsay.

Oh, and Moore was not banned from the mall. Yeah gads, people can't get that right and the story is from yesterday.

But, go ahead and throw Moore to the wolves because the next time it will be you.

BTW, I know personally that Jill V2 is a troll who was Miss 80's Baby before.
Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 09:58 PM (J70i0)
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I agree that members of the party jumped too quick in tossing Moore under the bus. The only thing any of them should have said before he addressed the accusations in detail was "These are serious allegations about a long time public servant who has never been accused of such things before. The timing of this is very suspect given he's been active in public life for 40 years. If true, he should stand aside."

The lawyerly answers bothered me.

Regarding the troll thing, I rarely post here. I'm not familiar with a poster using the name "Miss 80's Baby", but then I don't often look at the comments. I enjoy reading the posts and rarely feel inclined to participate in the discussion. I've only ever posted as "Jill" or "Jill v2". I'm not sure what you're basing your belief about "Miss 80's Baby" on, but it's not correct. Sadly, you're off a few decades!

The "chainsaw bayonets" addition gave me a good chuckle. Trust the MSM to completely screw up coverage of guns.

Have a nice evening, WOPR.

Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 10:16 PM (8zN2Y)

531
How hard would,it be to convince three women of being groped by Paul,Ryan at the gym, or McCain at the doctors office? Someone should give it a,whirl.,if we don't stand our ground on this one, this is the way it's going to be for republicans from now on. Whispering campaigns by Jeff Bezos and the mean girls. No charge that can be proven! So what. I'd that doesn't bother you, I don't know what to tell you.

Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 14, 2017 10:22 PM (dFi94)

532 Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 10:16 PM (8zN2Y)

No you're a troll and your inability to respond properly further proves my point. Crawl away and troll someplace else. Don't expect anyone to defend you because the accusation is all that matters.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 10:28 PM (J70i0)

533 How's about we just let Alabamans play it out the way THEY want to.

Yeah we, as in the concerned GOP, have a vested interest but that just means we should supply support and not try to undermine their opportunity to vote their desire.

If Moore stays in he would have my vote just for standing up against the liars and scoudrels of the establishment.

And isn't that what we really need in Congress?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead and Toxically Masculine) at November 14, 2017 10:32 PM (hVoJQ)

534 Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 10:16 PM (8zN2Y)

Okay, I think I've made my point. We either stand together and stop this "The accusations are serious" and "Maybe they are true" crud or we let the Uniparty use this as a nuclear weapon. If there were some sort of solid proof that Moore assaulted some girl, then it would be different. But there is no proof. So, no hedging or anything should be done.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 10:34 PM (J70i0)

535 The nevertrumpers obviously want the Senate to go Dem, they say it everyday.

And they prove it with their actions against Moore.

Fuck them.

Posted by: Pam at November 14, 2017 10:39 PM (5FhpD)

536 Best alternative: Lampposts all around.
No politician left behind.

Posted by: irright at November 14, 2017 10:40 PM (RVcmP)

537 Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 10:16 PM (8zN2Y)

No you're a troll and your inability to respond properly further proves my point. Crawl away and troll someplace else. Don't expect anyone to defend you because the accusation is all that matters.
Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 10:28 PM (J70i0)
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My "inability to respond properly"? Hmmm, I guess you must be referring to the "What more do you want?????? " part.

I think I covered that in another post, but I should have been more clear in responding to you directly. Sorry about that.

First, I don't need anything from Moore. I'm not an AL voter and I wasn't donating money in this race. If I were an AL voter, I'd wait until the election and see how things were going. If he was still in the race and a write-in was too likely to split the vote, with what I've heard so far, I'd vote for him. I want us to keep the seat.

Second, what I think Moore should do if he's able is to practice his answers, and give another definitive interview addressing the accusations. He was pretty clear in denying the 5th woman's accusations. Now figure out a way to explain to debunk the yearbook signature or explain how it's not supportive of the woman's allegations.

I don't expect anyone else to defend me. Like I said, I rarely post here so the chances anyone remembers conversing with me in the past are about zero. The term "troll" is subjective so I'm not arguing that point with you. You're entitled to your opinion. However, you're incorrect about the "Miss 80's Baby" thing. Believe that or not as you will.

Posted by: Jill V2 at November 14, 2017 10:45 PM (8zN2Y)

538 If the GOPe in any form over-rules the votes of the people of Alabama, what makes you think that those so over-ruled will vote either for any lop that is stuck in Moore's place before the vote, or for any Republican after if they refuse to seat him or expel him? They will have guaranteed the election of Jones. If your choice won the primary in your state, and your party did not like him so they just cancelled your vote, how loyal would you be to them in the future?

Keeping in mind that the GOPe has worked for over a year to be the Democrats' helpmate, and to blatantly screw over their own voter base nationwide.

Here in Colorado, the question being asked at appearances of Republican primary candidates is why, since all the Republican Party has any enthusiasm for is lying to their own voters, why we should believe an damn thing you say since you are a Republican?

We have yet to get a good answer. I have had the pleasure of really pi**ing off a Republican candidate for Governor and another who is running for my RINO congresscritter's seat. Both have betrayed conservatives after promising to be on our side. I called them out on it chapter and verse with specifics. We ARE going to get rid of our incumbent congresscritter, if we have to replace him with a Democrat. We have been stabbed in the back too often, and if he gets renominated, he will have no campaign in our county.

Believe me, Alabama is being watched here. And what is watched is the happy cooperation between the GOPe and the Democrats to take down Moore.

The Republicans are doing nothing but break every promise they have made, and then laugh at us for believing them in the first place. If giving Republicans control of the government results in no changes of policy and having Republicans defend and protect Democrat policy in order to attack President Trump, then we DO have a one-party government and there is no point in pretending that there is an electoral opposition.

Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at November 14, 2017 10:57 PM (Btk3j)

539 Ace did you assume the Billy Bush tape was going in one direction and bail-out? How about everybody grow a pair and fight this hit job?

Posted by: Conan at November 14, 2017 10:58 PM (jchTW)

540 I remember when the right stood together over W's 'lost decade'. They accused him of cocaine, hookers and more. And the media kept asking questions that were never answered. And we were okay with that. A whole decade (plus).

And now Moore gets fried because he can't prove he didn't do something 40 years ago? McConnell was okay with Bush's 'youthful indiscretion' blockade of all news from that period. Who thinks that what Moore might have done compares to what W did? But that was okay? Interesting.

Posted by: Steve Earle Song Ideas at November 14, 2017 11:01 PM (PvCxa)

541 If Moore is forced to resign, there is a third solution, which is for the AL legislature to step in, and cancel the election, allow the governor to appoint the senator until the next election (or even allow Strange to stay in office).

If the Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) complain, we have the precedent of the Massachusetts legislature changed the rules twice to prevent a Republican governor from appointing a replacement senator.

I would wait a few more days to see if Moore can turn the tide before promoting this solution.

Posted by: civil truth at November 14, 2017 11:13 PM (t3LBb)

542 Bill Kristol suggests Quin Hillyer who is NeverTrump, but supported Santorum strongly in 2012.

I don't think it is reasonable to reward McConnell with Strange. If he wants the seat so badly, let him swallow his pride and support Brooks, who he spent millions against, producing this mess.

Posted by: MikeN at November 14, 2017 11:23 PM (o/eHL)

543 The never trumpers in congress will use any excuse to impeach Trump if we lose the Alabama senate seat to the party of Saul Alinski.

Posted by: Martell at November 14, 2017 11:54 PM (o9fZ6)

544 Old Hickory shot a man dead. Execute him!
Ulysses S. Grant ordered Jews to be expelled. Court-marshal him!
Grover Cleveland may have produced an illegitimate child. Denounce him!
48 y/o Grover Cleveland married 20 y/o Frances Folsom. Fathers get your pitchforks!

Evidence for all the above existed then and exists today. In the case of Roy Moore, what there is, is a last minute hit job of unverified unverifiable allegations, trying to tie Moore to Harvey Weinstein hysteria.

All the Uniparty need is for Roy Moore to be seen as reprobate and deviant for one month. Ace, gullible, help out Anita Hill and get to looking for Clarence Thomas' p*u*b*i*c hair on the coke can, willya?

Posted by: Ron Reid at November 15, 2017 01:46 AM (AH5vn)

545 NO BAILING ON MOORE! STAY THE DAMNED COURSE!

This is a Dem bastard hit job just as sure as it could possibly be. It would be better for Jones to win the seat than for the Reps to bail on Moore, because if the Reps bail we'll see this tactic used on every Rep candidate from here on out.

For what it's worth, I think Moore is innocent. Moreover, when I graduated in the 70's nearly every girl in my high school class was married within a year. They had been dating older guys and most had marriage plans in the works by Christmas of senior year.

If Moore was dating 17 and 18 year old seniors, they were legal. Most girls were planning to marry quite soon after high school anyway assuming they had a suitable beau. I don't see that he did anything wrong for the time period and he certainly has had a model marital relationship since.

This is character assassination, pure and simple. Damn the scumbags, GOPe and Dem that descended to these levels, but don't let them get away with it! Fight back, and BACK MOORE TO THE HILT!!!

Posted by: mac at November 15, 2017 05:55 AM (hFEbq)

546 Okay, I think I've made my point. We either stand together and stop this "The accusations are serious" and "Maybe they are true" crud or we let the Uniparty use this as a nuclear weapon. If there were some sort of solid proof that Moore assaulted some girl, then it would be different. But there is no proof. So, no hedging or anything should be done.
Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 10:34 PM (J70i0)
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I agree. If there was any actual proof that these accusations of wrongdoing from 40 years ago were true, it would be a different situation. But neither of the women who claim Moore did something illegal have produced any corroborating evidence of their claims.

The woman who says Moore molested her when she was 14 already had part of her story contradicted by her own mother. The accuser said Moore called her at home, and she took the call on the phone in her bedroom so her mother wouldn't hear. But her mother says the girl did not have a phone in her bedroom in 1979. So if the accuser's memory is wrong about that, we have to wonder what else she is remembering incorrectly. A couple of her friends say they recall her talking about dating an older man in the '70's. But there is no proof that she actually was seeing an older man, and there is no proof that the older man was Moore. For all we know, the "older man" romance may have been a teenage fantasy, or it may have been some other man. If she had come forward now with some proof that it was Moore, this would be a different situation. But she is basically saying "trust me" and I'm not willing to do that. Not after so many years have passed, and not after we have already seen her own mother contradict one key detail of her story.

As for the waitress accuser, again, there is not one shred of evidence corroborating her story. The year book inscription proves nothing other than that Moore may have signed her yearbook; it does not prove he assaulted her. And given that two different colors of ink were used in the inscription, it may not even prove that he signed the year book.

Nobody can corroborate the waitress' account -- not even the boyfriend who she says showed up just as the assault was ending. (He didn't notice she'd been crying, or had marks on her neck, or had been pushed onto the pavement?) She claims she had "black and purple bruises" on her neck the next day, but nobody can corroborate that either, because she says she covered the bruises with makeup. It all just seems a little too convenient. Then there is the fact that she said she forgot about the assault for 40 years and only remembered it when the other women came forward. Moore has been a public figure in Alabama for decades, and he has been in the news there many times.
But she never before had her memory triggered, or thought she should go public with her claim of his attack on her? That hardly seems credible.

If somebody can produce some actual proof that Moore did something illegal to any of these women, I'll be happy to reconsider my opinion. But until then, this is bullshit. Two uncorroborated, and unprovable, claims of molestation from 38 and 40 years ago, being raised now for the first time ever? No. Just no.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 15, 2017 06:07 AM (BXf9o)

547 My standards for electing Republicans has been set by the DemocRats . . .If he hasn't been caught with a live boy, or a dead woman, in bed, then I will gladly vote for him.

Posted by: Politicks Is War at November 15, 2017 08:16 AM (EATOD)

548 They want Jeff Sessions to take the seat because he is putting the heat on pedophiles/human trafficking and they want it stopped.

Posted by: jihadi at November 15, 2017 09:33 AM (I64i9)

549 I'd rather see the democrat win than McConnell win, and its not particularly close. a declared enemy is one thing, a traitor quite another. our war , from now until primary season is over is with mcconnell and the asshat GOPe. if they remove Moore then i would urge every conservative patriot in alabama to stay home or vote for the dem. until you defeat the establishment there is no hope for change. none.

Posted by: Slick Wilbur at November 15, 2017 11:03 AM (8F7Ub)

550 The Republicans who chose not to vote for Strange in Alabama made that choice because either A) They were disturbed how Strange tried to stand in the way of the impeachment proceedings of Bentley, the man who appointed him or B) because Moore was such a "godly" man who stood up for the 10 commandments and stood against homosexual marriage.

Strange is NOT viewed by most Alabamians as too "establishment." He just made a poor ethical decision that many (including myself) found hard to overcome when voting time came. In fact many believe if he had been patient and not gotten involved in the Luv Guv mess he could and would have ended up with the seat later on.

Moore is NOT viewed by most Alabamians as anti-establishment. He is viewed as that man who tried to keep God in the government (by some) or as a charlaton (by others.)

It's all a mess!! But you give us too much credit (or not enough?) by thinking this is establishment vs non establishment. This is just Alabama politics in all its glory!

Posted by: Southalagal at November 15, 2017 01:47 PM (V6coj)

551 Here's a new link of Thomas Wictor describing the ink issues:
https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/930875613220499456

Posted by: akelm88 at November 15, 2017 04:11 PM (dNh/A)

552 Why not this guy? He's got the quals and the cred:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Boozer

Posted by: sestamibi at November 15, 2017 09:05 PM (L55FJ)

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