NRA Calls for ATF To Consider New Regulation on Bump Stocks

The National Rifle Association, in its first statement on the Las Vegas shooting and in a rare break from its traditional opposition to gun-related regulations, called Thursday for a federal review of so-called bump stocks and suggested new rules might be needed for the device apparently used by the shooter in Sunday’s massacre.
"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations," the NRA said in a written statement....
The Obama administration’s ATF gave its seal of approval to selling the devices in 2010 after concluding that they did not violate federal law. On Thursday, the NRA called on the ATF to review that assessment.
"In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved," the NRA said. "Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law."

Interestingly, they don't call for a new law to ban or regulate these items, and it has to be remembered that Obama's ATF examined whether existing federal law gave them the power to regulate bump stocks, and they decided it didn't.

If the ATF under Obama found that its pen and phone authority did not reach that far, well then, by golly, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say their authority actually does not reach that far.

I don't see what principled reason could cause a deviation from that first finding -- either the law empowered the federal agency to make a rule in this area, or it didn't. A new fact (There was a massacre) and a new political input (the NRA's okay with it) should not change the more important fact that the law does not grant the administrative agency rule-making power in this area.

So is this a fake-out? Or does the NRA fear a new rule less than a new law (which, presumably, could be read to grant other powers of regulation, by unscrupulous progressive bureaucrats (which is to say, almost all of them))?

Posted by: Ace at 03:39 PM

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1 Hmmm...

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at October 05, 2017 03:41 PM (VGRuw)

2 Time for a national conversation about bump stocks!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2017 03:41 PM (YRS/H)

3 Yeah NRA this will make them love you and stop calling for your deaths...

Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2017 03:43 PM (rmVvL)

4 This is... bizarre.

Also, even with adblock on, a semi transparent SONOBI is now taking up 25% of my screen.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 03:43 PM (wmaTe)

5 I caught some Rush Limbaugh's show today, and there was a caller who suggested this kind of thing, calling special attention to the fact that it was the Obama administration that allowed bump stocks.

I don't think that'd work, but as useless, meaningless gestures go, it's not horrible, maybe?

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 05, 2017 03:43 PM (u0s1P)

6
It doesn't take much to rattle these Cucks on the Right.

Their "principles" are flexible.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 03:44 PM (yxTdI)

7 Their "principles" are flexible.

Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.

Posted by: Groucho Marx at October 05, 2017 03:44 PM (u0s1P)

8 I heard Dan Bongino on Fox say anyone with a 3-D printer could make one in about 10 minutes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 05, 2017 03:45 PM (PY9jH)

9 Well King Putt's ATF also approved and implemented Fast and Furious. A program designed to give an excuse to take away gun rights. So, for me them saying "oh we can't regulate bump stocks" means they were hoping for an event like Vegas that they could use for a a broad reaching weapons ban. and I know I'm probably not cynical enough about TFJEG and his minions in general.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at October 05, 2017 03:45 PM (eASYU)

10 So is the NRA taking lessons from the GOP-e on how to handle events such as these?

If it wasn't for the fact the range I go to requires an NRA membership ........

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 03:45 PM (jxbfJ)

11 I mean, I get it from a political perspective -- but keep in mind that this will be used as a cudgel forever.

"Even the extremist nazis at the NRA who want every six month old to be given a fully automatic machine gun with automatic bullets said bump stocks were too extreme for them! IF bump stocks are too extreme, how can the NRA now still be in favor of (whatever) which causes WAYYYY more deaths than bump stocks ever did!"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 03:45 PM (wmaTe)

12 Fine. Make them Class III. But then open up the Class III registry in perpetuity. I'll pay the $ for that...and making all of my ARs full auto. They want something; I want something. Compromise is good, right?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 05, 2017 03:45 PM (O9qtX)

13 I need to know where Trump stands on this issue before I can oppose him.

Posted by: ShainS at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (Wvuwn)

14 calling special attention to the fact that it was the Obama administration that allowed bump stocks.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 05, 2017 03:43 PM (u0s1P)

Pinky Emanuel vetoed it. Reg would've interfered with the bigger Eugenics plan.

Posted by: golfman at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (48QDY)

15 The only way to eliminate bump firing is to eliminate semi-auto firearms.

Posted by: davidt at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (qnVoV)

16 To paraphrase something said earlier, they want us to shut up about global warming because we aren't climatologists, but want to lecture us about bumpstocks, despite not being gunsmiths.

Posted by: fluffy at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (U0v/A)

17 >>>>"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles
to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional
regulations," the NRA said in a written statement....
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.OK move them over to Class III status like a silencer, easy peasy. Still legal but a background check to buy after an 8 months wait.

I like it actually. Strategically they get ahead of the dems and liberals when they say they want additional regulations on them, but leave the door open after a few months to move them back off the list like they are trying to do with silencers.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (+Dllb)

18 Prolly a good move for the NRA. Nobody in the media was talking about the approval of bump stocks occurring in the Obama erra so now we can open up the record and see what they were saying* while it was being approved.

* they didn't say a thing because Obama!

Posted by: DanMan at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (XTiHL)

19 Here's the deal team: rate of fire had nothing to do with this atrocity. It goes down the same way, bump fire or not. You can semi auto spray plenty fast to kill crowds of people who cannot run.

The argument should be that the government cannot have for itself something it does not give to us. Is select fire helpful in protecting the lives of politicians? Then it should be something the public can choose as well, for all the purposes intended by the second amendment, including defense of personal safety and individual liberty.

And, if you want to protect places where 10's of thousands of people congregate from sniper vantage points, that can be done. Expensive but do-able. Because spray fire in semi-auto can accomplish what this psycho did, it's the only serious approach to stopping future attacks like this.
Posted by: TexasDan at October 05, 2017 03:42 PM (yL25O)

Posted by: TexasDan at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (yL25O)

20 What this country needs are more vaguely worded laws and passionate judges to interpret them.

You can never have too many vaguely worded laws, nor can you have too many partisan judges. It's just common sense, for the children, and the hungry.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (m9X4Y)

21 I mean, whatever. I lived this long without knowing of bump stocks. I'd prefer a trade off, give me three-round bursts and silencers and 50 round magazines and you can keep that bump thing.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (XhN8Z)

22 But what about the USNS COMFORT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 05, 2017 03:47 PM (XhN8Z)

23 15 The only way to eliminate bump firing is to eliminate semi-auto firearms.
Posted by: davidt at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (qnVoV)

Correct.

All we're talking about is an alternative way to fire semi automatic firearms. Instead of pulling the trigger with your finger, your finger stays stationary and the gun moves.

Plenty of ways to make that happen.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 03:47 PM (wmaTe)

24 Well if Automatic weapons are firmly regulated, And what little I know about bump stocks. It might be better to self police than let someone else police you.

Posted by: Picric at October 05, 2017 03:47 PM (uvAuw)

25 The NRA in the 1930's pushed for automatic weapons to be banned because they were worried it would jeopardize legal gun ownership. They were able to get a federal law narrowly banning Tommy guns that were being used in shootout bank robberies and protect gun owners from federal registration of pistols.

It would be beyond stupid for the NRA to throw its credibility away over bump stocks and lose the larger war over making sure the 99.9999% of firearms stay legal.

My bigger fear though is once you open legislation to bump stocks all sorts of crazy shit sneaks in.

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2017 03:47 PM (lKmt3)

26 Govt agencies have twisted laws to allow them to regulate all kinds of things and the courts rarely say jack.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (xfb67)

27 Time for a national conversation on the left kissing my ass.

Posted by: Weasel at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (Sfs6o)

28 NRA Calls for ATF To Consider New Regulation on ~~Bump Stocks~~ 30 round magazines

Sound familiar?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (Z65m4)

29 I still think nothing comes of this. The NRA's gonna want something for this and the left aren't going to want to give them anything.

Posted by: Jackal at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (tRE+R)

30 shouldn't it be argued that regulating guns in anyway in reaction to a terrorist type attack or massacre is giving in to the demands of the murderers?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (XFue2)

31 If the NRA is for it...
We're against it!!!!

:Liberals

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (EyPfd)

32 21 I mean, whatever. I lived this long without knowing of bump stocks. I'd prefer a trade off, give me three-round bursts and silencers and 50 round magazines and you can keep that bump thing.
Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (XhN8Z)

There will be no trade off, though.

This only moves in one direction. As it has, slowly, for almost 100 years now.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (wmaTe)

33 12 Fine. Make them Class III. But then open up the Class III registry in perpetuity. I'll pay the $ for that...and making all of my ARs full auto. They want something; I want something. Compromise is good, right?
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 05, 2017 03:45 PM (O9qtX)

Make them Class III. Fine. What I want in return:
1) National reciprocity
2) Unimpeded travel with firearms. Don't want to be jeopardized going through Commie MA, NY, CT on my way to FL.
3) Permanent (not 10 yr, PERMANENT) guarantee that M855/M193 ammo will remain legal and available.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (jxbfJ)

34 Disappointing, if this moves forward. The NRA is successful because it emulates Planned Parenthood, fighting every incremental encroachment with tenacity. Bump fire stocks have not been an issue in the past, and one event shouldn't infringe on people's rights. The Republicans have power, so why not use it? Pass the suppressor regulations and shove it down the gun-grabbers' throats.

Posted by: Grimaldi at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (V/f/L)

35 I had to go online to figure what " bump stocks" even are. Apparently they are a thing.. and the latest massacre makes them a real thing... I don't really have a strong opinion about banning them or not... slippery slope argument seems to be a point of view of some here...

Posted by: kraken at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (zSVEm)

36 *rubs temples*

Jeebus.

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (NWiLs)

37 Did anyone poll the NRA Board Members?

Or is this the opinion of the "Professional Management Class" at the NRA Inc.?

Sort of like super patriotic Jerry Jones kneeling with his Dallas Cowgirls *before* the Anthem?

Posted by: rd at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (4dz1m)

38 You never cede ground to the left. NEVER. EVER.

When has giving the left anything ever been enough or generated goodwill?

Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (w46Mb)

39 I mean, whatever. I lived this long without knowing of bump stocks. I'd prefer a trade off, give me three-round bursts and silencers and 50 round magazines and you can keep that bump thing.
Posted by: Bob Loblaw

Thing is, they won't give you shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (Z65m4)

40 >>>>NRA Calls for ATF To Consider New Regulation on Bump Stocks 30 round magazines

Sound familiar?
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.Let's not have a case of the vapors, the NRA was fighting tooth and nail against all bans on high cap magazines.

This is actually a good ploy. It get's obama's name out there and associated with these stocks. Why don't we chill out and see how this settles.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (+Dllb)

41 NRA knows this is a stupid issue. They're shrewd.

Posted by: mnw at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (phyXb)

42 33 12 Fine. Make them Class III. But then open up the Class III registry in perpetuity. I'll pay the $ for that...and making all of my ARs full auto. They want something; I want something. Compromise is good, right?
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 05, 2017 03:45 PM (O9qtX)

Make them Class III. Fine. What I want in return:
1) National reciprocity
2) Unimpeded travel with firearms. Don't want to be jeopardized going through Commie MA, NY, CT on my way to FL.
3) Permanent (not 10 yr, PERMANENT) guarantee that M855/M193 ammo will remain legal and available.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (jxbfJ)

Thanks Harry Paratestes
4) No ban on magazine capacity. Ever.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (jxbfJ)

43 "The Obama administration's ATF gave its seal of approval to selling the devices in 2010 after concluding that they did not violate federal law."

That's because Barry thought "bump fire" meant something totally different.

Posted by: freaked at October 05, 2017 03:50 PM (KvWlw)

44
We need a mandatory eight month waiting period and back ground checks for people who want to buy pants with belt loops.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 05, 2017 03:50 PM (m9X4Y)

45 Binary triggers are better anyways.

Posted by: Jean at October 05, 2017 03:50 PM (TZ9Jv)

46 A review of an existing rule is to be preferred to a new rule. A new rule is to be preferred to a new law.

Because you already know what words are in the existing legislation, but you have no idea what a new when will finish as and be interpreted as. It is essentially a conservative "devil you know" position.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout at October 05, 2017 03:50 PM (hLRSq)

47 What did they ban last time?

Dukes of Hazzard reruns.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2017 03:50 PM (oVJmc)

48 40 round mags ... I have a number of them, and 30 round pistol mags...

Posted by: kraken at October 05, 2017 03:51 PM (zSVEm)

49 I despise bump stocks but I will not give up ground on the argument that rate of fire should be something the government dictates to me. That is what we would be doing.

I also don't think I would ever buy a full auto were it possible. I guess select fire, so I would. But I don't plan to use it.

Home invasions average 2.7 people in your home.

If grandma decides she would rather scare the life out of 2.7 attackers by spraying them from a MAC-10, then God bless her she should have that choice. And if rapid fire is still chosen by those who have to confront multiple attackers when defending, say, senators or late-night talk show hosts, then the public should be not be at a disadvantage in protecting their own lives.

Posted by: TexasDan at October 05, 2017 03:51 PM (yL25O)

50 How smart was Nikki Haley to pull down the Confederate flag after the root mess?

Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 05, 2017 03:51 PM (w46Mb)

51 38 You never cede ground to the left. NEVER. EVER.

When has giving the left anything ever been enough or generated goodwill?
Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (w46Mb)

This.

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 05, 2017 03:51 PM (NWiLs)

52 40 >>>>NRA Calls for ATF To Consider New Regulation on Bump Stocks 30 round magazines

Sound familiar?
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.
.Let's not have a case of the vapors, the NRA was fighting tooth and nail against all bans on high cap magazines.

This is actually a good ploy. It get's obama's name out there and associated with these stocks. Why don't we chill out and see how this settles.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (+Dllb)

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I agree. Best to wait and see what develops.

Posted by: Jackal at October 05, 2017 03:51 PM (tRE+R)

53 Binary triggers are better anyways.
Posted by: Jean at October 05, 2017 03:50 PM (TZ9Jv)

( Scuttles off to internetz)...

Posted by: kraken at October 05, 2017 03:51 PM (zSVEm)

54 33 12 Fine. Make them Class III. But then open up the Class III registry in perpetuity. I'll pay the $ for that...and making all of my ARs full auto. They want something; I want something. Compromise is good, right?
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 05, 2017 03:45 PM (O9qtX)

Make them Class III. Fine. What I want in return:
1) National reciprocity
2) Unimpeded travel with firearms. Don't want to be jeopardized going through Commie MA, NY, CT on my way to FL.
3) Permanent (not 10 yr, PERMANENT) guarantee that M855/M193 ammo will remain legal and available.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 03:48 PM (jxbfJ)

If we do that, what will we fundraise on next quarter?

Buy NRA Carry Guard Insurance!!!

Posted by: NRA Incorporated at October 05, 2017 03:51 PM (4dz1m)

55 I oppose these bomp stucks because we all know who put the bomp in the bomp she bomp bomp!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (YRS/H)

56 My bigger fear though is once you open legislation to bump stocks all sorts of crazy shit sneaks in.
Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2017 03:47 PM (lKmt3)

This.

They just have to make it broad enough for a lefty judge to mangle the regs and interpret it to mean all guns are banned.

Posted by: WisRich at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (G0vdT)

57 And I'm with the NRA. Ban "bump stocks" We don't need to let angry lefty clowns get tech shortcuts to do something that responsible people can develop as a skill.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (eASYU)

58 39 I mean, whatever. I lived this long without knowing of bump stocks. I'd prefer a trade off, give me three-round bursts and silencers and 50 round magazines and you can keep that bump thing.
Posted by: Bob Loblaw

Thing is, they won't give you shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (Z65m4)

Also this.

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (NWiLs)

59 NRA doesn't NEED a "trade off" for bumper stocks.

The trade off is getting rid of the hot potato.

Posted by: mnw at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (phyXb)

60 I still think nothing comes of this. The NRA's gonna want something for this

Srsly? If you believe that I have ocean front property in Az for sale.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (Z65m4)

61 You know, I still can't find any criminal intent in this Las Vegas massacre.

Posted by: James Comey, former Director of the Federal Bureau of Matter at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (Wvuwn)

62 Yeah NRA this will make them love you and stop calling for your deaths...

Posted by: steevy

If you appease them enough, they will love you. And believe you me it is worth it. I don't like the thought of liberals thinking of me as some mean, bigoted, cold hearted conservative.

Posted by: John McCain at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (wfEvN)

63 Why is my phone suddenly ringing off the hook??

Posted by: Bump Wills at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (TOk1P)

64 I don't see what principled reason could cause a deviation from that first finding -- either the law empowered the federal agency to make a rule in this area, or it didn't. A new fact (There was a massacre) and a new political input (the NRA's okay with it) should not change the more important fact that the law does not grant the administrative agency rule-making power in this area.

++++

Exactly. We already have too much power being grabbed by governmental agencies with nothing more than a wink and a nod.

This thing is an effort by the NRA to save their congressional allies from having to make politically difficult votes.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 05, 2017 03:53 PM (pvjTE)

65 15 Winner, we don't want to go here people.

Posted by: rammajamma at October 05, 2017 03:53 PM (AjNMO)

66 Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (jxbfJ)

Agreed on all counts. With the additional codicil to number 3 that ALL ammo restrictions be tossed.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 05, 2017 03:53 PM (O9qtX)

67

Associating Obama with legalization of bump stocks doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 05, 2017 03:53 PM (lKyWE)

68 NRA Carry Guard Insurance.

We will pay for your lawyers only if you beat the Rap!

Posted by: NRA Incorporated at October 05, 2017 03:53 PM (4dz1m)

69 They attempt to direct blame back to Obama's ATF, and also throw National Reciprocity in at the end. And try to look reasonable to your average non-gun person. This statement is already pissing off the "not one more inch" 2A crowd, but no matter what you think of the NRA, they are very good at walking a fine line when it comes to public statements like this. Your average leftie/SJW will not even read past the first 4 sentences, but it's about as good a statement that can be made, from a political and PR perspective.

Posted by: Flubnut at October 05, 2017 03:53 PM (nJfTV)

70 Binary triggers are better anyways.

Posted by: Jean at October 05, 2017 03:50 PM

you were 'sposed to keep that a secret

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 05, 2017 03:53 PM (cv0rf)

71 What next, no more shamalangading scopes?!? Where does the madness end?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2017 03:54 PM (YRS/H)

72 Were the Russians behind bump stocks or was it Macedonia Content Farmers? I'm confused.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 05, 2017 03:54 PM (YV+SU)

73 This.

They just have to make it broad enough for a lefty judge to mangle the regs and interpret it to mean all guns are banned.

Since bump stocks work on all semi autos, all semi autos are hereby banned.
Posted by: 9th Circus Court of Appeals

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 03:54 PM (Z65m4)

74 How can you trust a man that cannot trust is own pants? (Suspenders and belt).

Posted by: Henry Fonda- OUATITW at October 05, 2017 03:54 PM (suO/a)

75 Start calling them, "Obama-Bump-Stocks."

Posted by: davidt at October 05, 2017 03:54 PM (qnVoV)

76 Again with the OT: "Nobody Suffered Alone"

Soulless creatures who celebrate the death and injuries of "Trumptards" at the Vegas concert need to check their prog privilege. Included in the carnage were People of Diversity, such as this young heroic man who now considers the policeman who saved his life his brother:

http://tinyurl.com/yd3gntut

Posted by: kallisto at October 05, 2017 03:54 PM (kD8Fh)

77 59 NRA doesn't NEED a "trade off" for bumper stocks.

The trade off is getting rid of the hot potato.
Posted by: mnw at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (phyXb)

Yeah, but this won't get rid of any hot potato.

It'll be used as a foot in the door to force the NRA and others to "compromise" further.

It will be used by the MSM and anti-gunners to force the NRA to defend why they're in favor of (say) 30-round mags or "assault weapons" or anything else that KILLS MORE PEOPLE then bumpstocks.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (wmaTe)

78 60 I still think nothing comes of this. The NRA's gonna want something for this

Srsly? If you believe that I have ocean front property in Az for sale.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (Z65m4)

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That's my point. The NRA's gonna want something in trade. The left won't give them anything, so any bill dies in the House.

Posted by: Jackal at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (tRE+R)

79 >>>>21 I mean, whatever. I lived this long without knowing of bump stocks.
I'd prefer a trade off, give me three-round bursts and silencers and 50
round magazines and you can keep that bump thing.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (XhN8Z)

There will be no trade off, though.

This only moves in one direction. As it has, slowly, for almost 100 years now.
.
.
.Yes and it has moved in favor of gun rights for the last 40 years.

I understand that some people here were not alive and kicking in the late 1960s but we had a heck of an anti-gun law passed in 1968, go look it up. It gutted almost every aspect of gun owners rights.

Since then gun owner rights have moved ever further in favor of guns and individual freedom. In the 1970s you could not get a permit to carry a concealed weapon unless you were politically connected (NH excepted, Live Free or Die). Now in 35 States they are forced to give you a permit. Some States don't even require a permit and that ball just really started rolling in the last decade thanks in part to the NRA.

I remember people bitching about the NRA taking on the Heller case because they knew the SCOTUS would rule that the 2nd Amendment was not an individual right and all would be lost. They ruled the exact opposite.

A little perspective goes a long way in overcoming emotion.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (+Dllb)

80 Hey, what's this camel doing here and why is it's nose in my tent?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (KUaJL)

81 Wait, are we getting rid of potatoes now?!?!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (YRS/H)

82 I'm not going to argue with NRA with the tactics of gun politics. I might disagree, but they own this hill.

Posted by: Jean at October 05, 2017 03:56 PM (TZ9Jv)

83 You never cede ground to the left. NEVER. EVER.

When has giving the left anything ever been enough or generated goodwill?

Posted by: Yankeefifth

Meh. They seem nice enough. Don't you want peace in our time?

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at October 05, 2017 03:56 PM (wfEvN)

84 62 Yeah NRA this will make them love you and stop calling for your deaths...

Posted by: steevy

If you appease them enough, they will love you. And believe you me it is worth it. I don't like the thought of liberals thinking of me as some mean, bigoted, cold hearted conservative.
Posted by: John McCain at October 05, 2017 03:52 PM (wfEvN)

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Uhhh John?
Remember 2008?
Remember me in the 1990's?

Posted by: Zombie Bob Packwood, disgraced former Senator at October 05, 2017 03:56 PM (4dz1m)

85 The political math doesn't work this time. Too many Dem Senators in Red States up for re-election. Let Jimmy Kimmel cry and cry until something new comes along. The Left has the attention span of a gnat.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 05, 2017 03:56 PM (YV+SU)

86 I think a lot of things are being said and proposed right now. I really do think that as slow as congress seems to be that eventually this topic will fade as the emotional shock fades.

In the end, it'll be a non-starter.

Posted by: Soona at October 05, 2017 03:56 PM (ZAAkQ)

87 I may he a rapist but at least I'm not an NRA member!!

Posted by: Harvey Weinerstein at October 05, 2017 03:57 PM (SkuXa)

88 51 38 You never cede ground to the left. NEVER. EVER.

When has giving the left anything ever been enough or generated goodwill?
Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (w46Mb)

This.
Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 05, 2017 03:51 PM (NWiLs)

This again. Because it needs to be repeated and memorized.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 03:57 PM (jxbfJ)

89 69 They attempt to direct blame back to Obama's ATF, and also throw National Reciprocity in at the end. And try to look reasonable to your average non-gun person. This statement is already pissing off the "not one more inch" 2A crowd, but no matter what you think of the NRA, they are very good at walking a fine line when it comes to public statements like this. Your average leftie/SJW will not even read past the first 4 sentences, but it's about as good a statement that can be made, from a political and PR perspective.
Posted by: Flubnut at October 05, 2017 03:53 PM (nJfTV)

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You said it better than I did. This is PR move. The NRA playing good cop to the GOA's bad cop.

Posted by: Jackal at October 05, 2017 03:57 PM (tRE+R)

90 Blumenthal has already stated that bump fire stocks are the starting point for gun-banners, not the finish. So this is all academic anyway. But if we are going to have to give something up, something of equal or greater value must be gained. Or no sale.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 05, 2017 03:57 PM (O9qtX)

91 I don't think there will be 15 people in Congress total who will defend bump stocks!

Posted by: mnw at October 05, 2017 03:57 PM (phyXb)

92 81
Wait, are we getting rid of potatoes now?!?!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (YRS/H)

No, potatoe guns...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvqMWqxYuL8

Posted by: davidt at October 05, 2017 03:58 PM (qnVoV)

93 I have no problem forcing the conversation on a pointless gadget and avoiding everything of actual substance.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout at October 05, 2017 03:58 PM (hLRSq)

94 Hi Horde,
I am testing because I have repeatedly received Error500. Tim told me to ask ONT and Christian sent me directions and another Apple update.
I am only testing. I cannot stay, I think I have an infected gum from a tooth pulled out when I was a kid. My now retired dentist found it on an X Ray in 1990 or 1991 and could not get it out. I called oral surgeon this am and could only get an appt Monday. Luckily they had cancellation tomorrow. It gets larger every dat and I cannot eat.

Posted by: Carol at October 05, 2017 03:59 PM (NKOy9)

95 Posted by: kallisto at October 05, 2017 03:54 PM (kD8Fh) ***

Will the NFL kneelers recognize Officer Tom McGrath for saving the life of Jonathan Smith?

Posted by: kallisto at October 05, 2017 03:59 PM (kD8Fh)

96 79 >>>>21 I mean, whatever. I lived this long without knowing of bump stocks.
I'd prefer a trade off, give me three-round bursts and silencers and 50
round magazines and you can keep that bump thing.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 05, 2017 03:46 PM (XhN8Z)

There will be no trade off, though.

This only moves in one direction. As it has, slowly, for almost 100 years now.
.
.
.Yes and it has moved in favor of gun rights for the last 40 years.

I understand that some people here were not alive and kicking in the late 1960s but we had a heck of an anti-gun law passed in 1968, go look it up. It gutted almost every aspect of gun owners rights.

Since then gun owner rights have moved ever further in favor of guns and individual freedom. In the 1970s you could not get a permit to carry a concealed weapon unless you were politically connected (NH excepted, Live Free or Die). Now in 35 States they are forced to give you a permit. Some States don't even require a permit and that ball just really started rolling in the last decade thanks in part to the NRA.

I remember people bitching about the NRA taking on the Heller case because they knew the SCOTUS would rule that the 2nd Amendment was not an individual right and all would be lost. They ruled the exact opposite.

A little perspective goes a long way in overcoming emotion.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (+Dllb)

Very valid point. It was a long hard fought battle to gain those rights back. But the very minute we cede the teeniest tiniest bit, the left gets the momentum back and we start losing again.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 03:59 PM (jxbfJ)

97 Binary triggers are better anyways.
Posted by: Jean at October 05, 2017 03:50 PM (TZ9Jv)

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yup

And Bob from The NSA?.... binary triggers are boobs to a gay man.

Posted by: THE BARREL at October 05, 2017 03:59 PM (8XRCm)

98 You gotta ask yourself why you'd spend an ounce of political capital defending a device that, if I tried to use it, I couldn't hit a Holstein from 10 feet with.

Posted by: spongeworthy at October 05, 2017 03:59 PM (K/9da)

99 Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (+Dllb)

Dude, that was the NRA bitching at the SAF over Heller!

The NRA was dragged kicking and screaming into this case as amicus curie.

Posted by: rd at October 05, 2017 04:00 PM (4dz1m)

100
fuckingsock

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:00 PM (8XRCm)

101 Yes and it has moved in favor of gun rights for the last 40 years.

I understand that some people here were not alive and kicking in the late 1960s but we had a heck of an anti-gun law passed in 1968, go look it up. It gutted almost every aspect of gun owners rights.

Since then gun owner rights have moved ever further in favor of guns and individual freedom. In the 1970s you could not get a permit to carry a concealed weapon unless you were politically connected (NH excepted, Live Free or Die). Now in 35 States they are forced to give you a permit. Some States don't even require a permit and that ball just really started rolling in the last decade thanks in part to the NRA.

I remember people bitching about the NRA taking on the Heller case because they knew the SCOTUS would rule that the 2nd Amendment was not an individual right and all would be lost. They ruled the exact opposite.

A little perspective goes a long way in overcoming emotion.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (+Dllb)

============

This. They're damn good at PR and tactics, and haven't ceded any vital ground since the 90's. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
For Now...

Posted by: Jackal at October 05, 2017 04:00 PM (tRE+R)

102 Cam Newton, what are your thoughts on bump-stock routes?

*laughs in surprise of the question*

Posted by: Carlos Danger at October 05, 2017 04:00 PM (ce4vQ)

103 91 I don't think there will be 15 people in Congress total who will defend bump stocks!
Posted by: mnw at October 05, 2017 03:57 PM (phyXb)

they don't have to. We're not talking about an law passed by congress, we're talking about the ATF implementing rules.

Congress (run by R's) should absolutely not allow any anti-2a gun bill whatsoever on to the floor ever.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:00 PM (wmaTe)

104 How is anyone here arguing that the NRA should change its opinion on bump stocks? The NRA protects the 2nd Amendment, not peculiar accessories.

How would Trump or GOP argue against agreeing with the NRA. Best tactic is to write a straight law banning bump stocks and vote it out of the House and tell McConnell that any amendments will kill the bill.

Trump signs it in the Rose Garden with NRA and bipartisan Congressional reps present and gets a warm wet kiss from Jimmy Kimmel. Win-Win.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 05, 2017 04:01 PM (YV+SU)

105 What if the bump device is mounted to a shooter's wrist, forearm, elbow and/or shoulder? Is it still a bumpstock? This is silly.

It's like outlawing the use of a speculum for abortion.

Posted by: Fritz at October 05, 2017 04:01 PM (2Mnv1)

106 I'm curious how many here would comply with any sort of new law, or ban or outright confiscation if (when) it ever comes to that. Not me. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Weasel at October 05, 2017 04:01 PM (Sfs6o)

107 92 81
Wait, are we getting rid of potatoes now?!?!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (YRS/H)

No, potatoe guns...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvqMWqxYuL8
Posted by: davidt at October 05, 2017 03:58 PM (qnVoV)

Those things are awesome to shoot. Just remember to use the proper PVC pipe. And good hair spray.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 04:01 PM (jxbfJ)

108 I was on a job once and these guys had rigged up a caulking sausage gun, the landing was messy and spectacular.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 05, 2017 04:01 PM (6Ll1u)

109 >>>You never cede ground to the left. NEVER. EVER.

Just give us a few concessions. We PROMISE we will never try to punish or destroy those who disagree with our lifestyle choice.

Posted by: the homo lobby at October 05, 2017 04:01 PM (wfEvN)

110 And good hair spray.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 04:01 PM (jxbfJ)

------

Starting fluid.

Or Brake cleaner.

Coward.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:02 PM (8XRCm)

111 If you give a mouse a cookie . . . .

Posted by: McCool at October 05, 2017 04:02 PM (Izjjo)

112 But what about the USNS COMFORT!!!!!!!!!!!!
............

Tumpet jess try steeling all dere cand toonah.

Posted by: USS Gabby Giffords at October 05, 2017 04:02 PM (HgMAr)

113 The NRA is rightly trying to avoid new legislation.

I work with Washington and if you heard the subversive, expansive, vague stuff Democrats are throwing around you would try to avoid Legislatve action too.

They want to stuff a bunch of language that encroaches further and arms the judicial branch with more ammo so to speak for anti gun action.

It's a disgrace. Democrats are tryout by to stand in the victims backs for politics.

This Is my shocked face.

Posted by: Marcus T, Caffeine and Hate at October 05, 2017 04:02 PM (NMCva)

114 98 You gotta ask yourself why you'd spend an ounce of political capital defending a device that, if I tried to use it, I couldn't hit a Holstein from 10 feet with.
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 05, 2017 03:59 PM (K/9da)

No one has to. Just shrug and move on. "They're not illegal, they don't make a gun more deadly, if anything they make them less accurate and less deadly."

what more needs to be said? the NRA doesn't have to take a position on anything here.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:03 PM (wmaTe)

115 69 They attempt to direct blame back to Obama's ATF, and also throw National Reciprocity in at the end. And try to look reasonable to your average non-gun person. This statement is already pissing off the "not one more inch" 2A crowd, but no matter what you think of the NRA, they are very good at walking a fine line when it comes to public statements like this. Your average leftie/SJW will not even read past the first 4 sentences, but it's about as good a statement that can be made, from a political and PR perspective.
Posted by: Flubnut at October 05, 2017 03:53 PM (nJfTV)

=======

You said it better than I did. This is PR move. The NRA playing good cop to the GOA's bad cop.
Posted by: Jackal at October 05, 2017 03:57 PM (tRE+R)

So, make the BATF come out with all the media salivating and say 1. exactly why bump stocks do not turn a semi auto into an automatic or 2. reverse the last dozen times over forty years they have said it doesn't turn an semi into an auto. Now who looks stupid?

And if the frothing at the mouth Feinstein Senators want to pass a bill banning them, they will have to explain exactly why they are banning a device that doesn't do what they claim it does.

Make the BATF and the leftist Congress defend their position instead of the NRA having to defend theirs.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:03 PM (gIJ6H)

116 98 You gotta ask yourself why you'd spend an ounce of political capital defending a device that, if I tried to use it, I couldn't hit a Holstein from 10 feet with.
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 05, 2017 03:59 PM (K/9da)

Political capital? What political capital? The GOP has sold everyone one of us out thus far.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 04:03 PM (jxbfJ)

117 The Vegas shooter was registered as a Democrat in Palm Beach Fla. 4 chan + Twitter. 4 chan supposedly had a photo of the voter list.

Posted by: Clearly at October 05, 2017 04:03 PM (gNQDb)

118 I could see the ATF being ordered to consider the weapon illegal and and an automatic weapon, and then let it be litigated in court.

I don't want to see bump stocks made illegal, I don't think it will do anything, but the NRA is a political organization and if it does stupid things it will lose the power it has developed over nearly a century.

If the NRA went all in on bump stocks, it would give the GOP even more of a greenlight to flip the bird to the NRA and then you would really see some nasty legislation come out of DC.

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2017 04:04 PM (lKmt3)

119 >>>>Dude, that was the NRA bitching at the SAF over Heller!

The NRA was dragged kicking and screaming into this case as amicus curie.
.
.
.And they were dragged across the starting line by members.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:04 PM (+Dllb)

120 My viewpoint on guns has morphed over time. Mostly b/c of Europe and Islam.

But also that nothing is ever enough for a large group of people.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When has giving the left anything ever been enough or generated goodwill?
Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 05, 2017 03:49 PM (w46Mb)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No matter what the arena, they are trying to destroy everything that does not comply with their view...which seems to be Sodom & Gomorrah...or Satanism. I don't even know...it's like invasion of the pod people. Maybe Cruise was right about Thetans. At this rate, I think eventually we will be back to sacrificing virgins in volcanos.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is gonna go golfing at October 05, 2017 04:04 PM (s8v1a)

121 Also this.
Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die

*******

wow, more violence associated with right wingers

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 05, 2017 04:04 PM (XhN8Z)

122 I still don't know what a bump stock is after several days of it being mentioned; I guess I had better look it up.-

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 05, 2017 04:04 PM (iVOAv)

123

Ever notice every time we have one of these fake outrage debates on guns the Left chooses a particular part of the Second Amendment to parse?

For instance, sometimes they choose the word militia, and sometimes they choose the phrase well-regulated. And then they "lawyer" the shit outta that word to tell us what The Founders really meant.

And sometimes, the Left just goes directly after The Founders, saying they were White Slave Owners, therefore the entire Second Amendment should be discarded.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 04:05 PM (yxTdI)

124
What if the bump device is mounted to a shooter's wrist, forearm, elbow and/or shoulder? Is it still a bumpstock? This is silly.

-----

There's a whole nuther brouhaha about "stabilizing" braces for AR pistols and whether they're BATFE compliant or not.

Essentially... you cannot convert a AR "receiver" classified as a pistol into an "SBR - Short Barreled Rifle", which the brace is argued to have done.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (8XRCm)

125
No one has to. Just shrug and move on. "They're not illegal, they don't make a gun more deadly, if anything they make them less accurate and less deadly."

Like the left will let you just move on

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (lKyWE)

126 117 The Vegas shooter was registered as a Democrat in Palm Beach Fla. 4 chan + Twitter. 4 chan supposedly had a photo of the voter list.

Posted by: Clearly at October 05, 2017 04:03 PM (gNQDb)
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Hmmm. I'd like to see a second source for confirmation.

Posted by: WisRich at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (G0vdT)

127 still don't know what a bump stock is after several days of it being mentioned; I guess I had better look it up.-
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 05, 2017 04:04 PM (iVOAv)

I imagine you will be underwhelmed....

Posted by: kraken at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (zSVEm)

128 102 Cam Newton, what are your thoughts on bump-stock routes?

*laughs in surprise of the question*

Depends on what Frasier Crane thinks.

Posted by: Cam Newton - the TV guy at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (s8v1a)

129 >>>>I still don't know what a bump stock is after several days of it being mentioned; I guess I had better look it up.-
.
.
.Don't waste your time, they are junk. Inaccurate and cause jams. Just some toy that the wannabe Rangers take to the range to show how cool they are.

Most ranges have banned them anyway.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (+Dllb)

130
Point is: It's the same 3 or 4 bullshit fake, specious, dubious, and disingenuous arguments on the Second Amendment from the Left.

But it works.

It works all the time. The Cucks on the Right buckle at the knees.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (yxTdI)

131 Congressman Tim Murphy resigns

Posted by: McCool at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (Izjjo)

132 I read this simply as a PR move to ensure the public is aware that Obama's administration found bumpstocks lawful, so that the NRA cannot reasonably be demagogued on the issue

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at October 05, 2017 04:07 PM (014lE)

133 You can shoulder your brace now, again. They announced that a month or so back.

Posted by: Harvey Weinerstein at October 05, 2017 04:07 PM (SkuXa)

134 I'm registered as a Democrat in NJ. I hope, by God's grace I am never a mass murderer or any kind of murderer. I would be more interested if they find evidence that he supports Antifada or Islam.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 05, 2017 04:07 PM (iVOAv)

135 I still don't know what a bump stock is after several days of it being mentioned; I guess I had better look it up.-
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 05, 2017 04:04 PM (iVOAv)

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"pivoting stock" that rocks the trigger back and forth into your finger at a high rate of speed causing it to fire rapidly.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:07 PM (8XRCm)

136 104 How is anyone here arguing that the NRA should change its opinion on bump stocks? The NRA protects the 2nd Amendment, not peculiar accessories.

How would Trump or GOP argue against agreeing with the NRA. Best tactic is to write a straight law banning bump stocks and vote it out of the House and tell McConnell that any amendments will kill the bill.

Trump signs it in the Rose Garden with NRA and bipartisan Congressional reps present and gets a warm wet kiss from Jimmy Kimmel. Win-Win.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 05, 2017 04:01 PM (YV+SU)

Read what I said upthread.

This will be used by the left as foot in the door to further banning.

A bump stock is, essentially, a spring. We're talking about banning a spring.

You can find videos on youtube of people bumpshooting using their beer guts as the spring. or using rubber bands. Or using... just about anything.

And so if the ATF somehow reinterprets the law (or god forbid congress passes a new law), what exactly would it say?

"it is illegal to use any device or method for depressing the trigger more quickly than 1 depression per 2 seconds"? or something? Then any speed shooter is facing a felony charge if he shoots to fast?

I mean, cmon.

Any semi-automatic firearm can be bump shot -- that's what the end goal is. Ban all semi-auto firearms (the vast majority of firearms made in the last 100+ years)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:07 PM (wmaTe)

137 And in one fell swoop the NRA declared the Sig Brace should be outlawed.

No way they will simply focus on a bump stock.

Posted by: Marcus T, Caffeine and Hate at October 05, 2017 04:07 PM (NMCva)

138 131 Congressman Tim Murphy resigns

Posted by: McCool at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (Izjjo)
***

He suggested his mistress get an abortion but it turned out she wasn't really pregnant...

what a fiasco

Posted by: kallisto at October 05, 2017 04:08 PM (kD8Fh)

139 >>>Those things are awesome to shoot. Just remember to use the proper PVC pipe. And good hair spray.

Nightfiring will help spot any leaks early.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2017 04:08 PM (YRS/H)

140 Personally I see any additional laws as giving an inch to people who tell you to your face that they are going for the mile with full bans on ammo and weapons.

That being said I have always viewed the bump stocks as a work around for less than avid shooters.

Posted by: Drider at October 05, 2017 04:08 PM (HdKKm)

141 129

>>>I still don't know what a bump stock is after several days of it being mentioned; I guess I had better look it up.-
.
.
.Don't waste your time, they are junk. Inaccurate and cause jams. Just some toy that the wannabe Rangers take to the range to show how cool they are.

Most ranges have banned them anyway.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (+Dllb)

As they should be, considering some of the idiots waving their guns around at the ranges.... a little gun safety would be a nice thing to teach...

Posted by: kraken at October 05, 2017 04:08 PM (zSVEm)

142 Let's Go Astros!

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:08 PM (UyKzE)

143 >>>>I read this simply as a PR move to ensure the public is aware that
Obama's administration found bumpstocks lawful, so that the NRA cannot
reasonably be demagogued on the issue
.
.
.In the Military we called that a preemptive strike.

Seriously it is a brilliant move. Can't demonize the NRA now as they have publicly called for regulation of the exact thing the liberals latched onto. It literally takes the wind out of their sales.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:08 PM (+Dllb)

144 And just like that, FBN is starting to give more coverage to the upcoming tax reform debate. As I said, the rhetoric and proposals will fade with the emotional shock. I predict a bumper stock law won't even make it to committee.

Posted by: Soona at October 05, 2017 04:09 PM (ZAAkQ)

145 I say we give them the bump stock thing. but nothing is free. they gotta throw in RBG.

Posted by: x at October 05, 2017 04:09 PM (nFwvY)

146 NRA shoots self in foot.
Glad I dropped them years ago and went with GOA.

Give the left nothing.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 05, 2017 04:09 PM (mcI77)

147 Fen...

Bumpfire stock video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6oaRAgdslE

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 05, 2017 04:10 PM (EyPfd)

148 Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 03:55 PM (+Dllb)

I do agree with you about the ttrends.

I just wish the NRA had proposed a deal. Review the Obama regulations and pass National Reciprocity and Hearing Protection/ suppressors.

If we get National Reciprocity, it will gut gun control in ten years. Everyone will be saying, "What is the big deal?" Legal guns will be no problem in NJ, NYC, MA, DC, and CA.

I want to see the NRA Convention in NYC, and everyone there carrying legally. Shock those self righteous provincial boobs in Holy Gotham.

I want the people in NJ asking, "Why can some Kansas hick carry a gun in Camden, and I cannot?"

National Reciprocity will gut Gun Control forever.

Posted by: rd at October 05, 2017 04:10 PM (4dz1m)

149 and DACA.

Posted by: x at October 05, 2017 04:10 PM (nFwvY)

150 Until the NRA comes out with their promised statement on the death of Philando Castille, they have nothing to say to anyone of any import.

If an organisation that purports to defend legal owners rights won't decry the execution of a legal owner, it's opinion on regulation is of no meaning.

Posted by: Fringe at October 05, 2017 04:10 PM (HQjFY)

151 .Don't waste your time, they are junk. Inaccurate and cause jams. Just some toy that the wannabe Rangers take to the range to show how cool they are.

Most ranges have banned them anyway.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (+Dllb)

And thats definitely true. It's a dangerous an irresponsible way to handle a firearm, no doubt. It's also wildly inaccurate and a huge waste of ammo.

That being said, how does one write a law to outlaw such a device?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:10 PM (wmaTe)

152 I still want that teeny tiny gun I could wear on my belt loop. From Europe somewhere. Switzerland maybe.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is gonna go golfing at October 05, 2017 04:10 PM (s8v1a)

153 Nunez is down, and looks to be out.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (UyKzE)

154
The Left's Template on the Second Amendment

1. It's antiquated.
2. It's for Muskets.
3. Militia means Army, etc., not private citizens.
4. "well-regulated" means Government has final say on it.
5. Why do you want children to be killed by guns?
6. It was written by White slave owners.
7. You're a racist.
8. You need to die you genocidal bigot.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (yxTdI)

155 I'm a conservative gun owner and I don't need them. It's clear that these are made to circumvent that the weapons are semi-automatics and to make them operate as if they were automatic. There's already a mechanism for owning full auto. These are a gimmick, and I don't need these. Throw this one out the airlock. It's ok to give on something like this if they'll put it up clean.

Posted by: Gerry Parker at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (ALwir)

156 I'd prefer a trade off

Agreed. The thing about bump stocks is that they're incredibly easy to make. So this is not going to have any effect on crime. But, I'm perfectly happy to give the left this if supposed conservatives in congress recognize that the law will not affect crime and so ask for something in return to prove that this is not just another attempt to ratchet down on gun owners with laws that demonstrably have no effect on crime.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (2lndx)

157 If I agree with the NRA on this do I get a free flashlight or pocketknife?

Posted by: Weasel at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (Sfs6o)

158 wait, I did not know the LV investigation was over already. that was fast.

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (QC/4S)

159 Great start to this game. Fabulous.

Posted by: bluebell at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (UoSKV)

160 117 The Vegas shooter was registered as a Democrat in Palm Beach Fla. 4 chan + Twitter. 4 chan supposedly had a photo of the voter list.

Posted by: Clearly at October 05, 2017 04:03 PM (gNQDb)

since 1984.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (XFue2)

161 .Don't waste your time, they are junk. Inaccurate and cause jams. Just some toy that the wannabe Rangers take to the range to show how cool they are.

Most ranges have banned them anyway.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
__________

+1

I bet if you asked actual NRA members, 10-1 they would think they are a joke and wouldn't want the fight to jeopardize guns rights they do want to protect

Bump stocks are like Todd Akin explaining his pro-life position

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (lKmt3)

162 I say it is cover for GOP politicians.. they are getting out ahead of this issue..

So.. 1st.. if Congress is forced to ban bump stocks by public pressure.. they already (kinda) have the NRA's blessing - even though the NRA statement is kinda vague..

If ATF bans them through a rule, GOP congress-critters can say "I think that is a common sense ruling.. blah blah blah" and not have to take a stand on a vote..

I any case it helps them all in 2018 elections..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (so+oy)

163 Conspiracy Theory time!

Obama's ATF allowed the bump stock in the hopes that it would be used in a mass shooting and hoped to get the guns that could have one attached banned.

Posted by: Mailman at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (z/Ubi)

164 >>>>Don't waste your time, they are junk. Inaccurate and cause jams. Just
some toy that the wannabe Rangers take to the range to show how cool
they are.

Most ranges have banned them anyway.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:06 PM (+Dllb)

And thats definitely true. It's a dangerous an irresponsible way to
handle a firearm, no doubt. It's also wildly inaccurate and a huge waste
of ammo.

That being said, how does one write a law to outlaw such a device?
.
.
.You can't because the engineers will just come up with something else to narrowly circumvent the law or everyone will just 3D print a bunch of them to hand out to their buddies.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (+Dllb)

165 >>I'd prefer a trade off

I'd prefer a handjob.

'Wish in one hand and shit in other...'

as grandma would say.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (UyKzE)

166
Give the left nothing.
Posted by: Under Fire at October 05, 2017 04:09 PM (mcI77)

Okay, but what makes you think a big public fight with the NRA over bump stocks isn't exactly what the left wants?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (lKyWE)

167 These are a gimmick, and I don't need these. Throw this one out the airlock. It's ok to give on something like this if they'll put it up clean.
Posted by: Gerry Parker at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (ALwir)

That's the gotcha.

Posted by: WisRich at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (G0vdT)

168 Seriously it is a brilliant move. Can't demonize the NRA now as they have publicly called for regulation of the exact thing the liberals latched onto. It literally takes the wind out of their sales.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:08 PM (+Dllb)

...you really think the left will move on from pushing for gun control? You really think their real target here is bump stocks?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (wmaTe)

169 Has anyone ever actually clicked on sonobi?

Can't read the last part of the article thru it on ipid

Posted by: Euro at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (7hIYB)

170 Seriously it is a brilliant move. Can't demonize the NRA now as they have publicly called for regulation of the exact thing the liberals latched onto. It literally takes the wind out of their sales.

Hmmm.

1. MSM and Left (birm) shriek hysterically about the latest ZOMG THREAT TO ALL HUMANITY!!!!!

2. Other side gives in to take the wind out of their sails.

3. MSM and Left (birm) shriek hysterically about the NEXT ZOMG THREAT TO ALL HUMANITY!!!!!

4. Other side gives in to take the wind out of their sails.

You see where this is going, don't you?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (Mouru)

171 "And thats definitely true. It's a dangerous an irresponsible way to handle a firearm, no doubt. It's also wildly inaccurate and a huge waste of ammo.

That being said, how does one write a law to outlaw such a device?"

From my limited knowledge, it seems that POS could have done more damage had he not used a bump stock since such so much ammo is wasted with the bump stock. Any experts care to correct me if I'm wrong?

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (OD2ni)

172 I'm a conservative gun owner and I don't need them. It's clear that these are made to circumvent that the weapons are semi-automatics and to make them operate as if they were automatic. There's already a mechanism for owning full auto. These are a gimmick, and I don't need these. Throw this one out the airlock. It's ok to give on something like this if they'll put it up clean.
Posted by: Gerry Parker at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (ALwir)

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Give them the bumstock. But I want suppressors moved out of Class III.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:13 PM (8XRCm)

173 157 If I agree with the NRA on this do I get a free flashlight or pocketknife?

Posted by: Weasel at October 05, 2017 04:11 PM (Sfs6o)

Evidently you get to claim "you are long time conservative gun owner." That's it.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 05, 2017 04:13 PM (mcI77)

174 145 I say we give them the bump stock thing. but nothing is free. they gotta throw in RBG.
Posted by: x at October 05, 2017 04:09 PM (nFwvY)

OK, I want 5 things in return.
See #33 & #42 above for 1-4.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 04:13 PM (jxbfJ)

175 I'd prefer a trade off, give me three-round bursts and silencers and 50 round magazines

Seconded. Bump stocks are like "one weird trick" to fire faster. It's a retarded gimmick. So if sacrificing my right to retarded gimmicks will gain me access to something useful like three round bursts, I'm all for it.

Posted by: wooga at October 05, 2017 04:13 PM (+LD9I)

176 The Left's Template on the Second Amendment

1. It's antiquated.
2. It's for Muskets.
3. Militia means Army, etc., not private citizens.
4. "well-regulated" means Government has final say on it.
5. Why do you want children to be killed by guns?
6. It was written by White slave owners.
7. You're a racist.
8. You need to die you genocidal bigot.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class!

Response:

1. So is nancy Pelosi.
2. See #1.
3. You clowns hate the Army.
4. You clowns are the government, and you don't do anything well.
5. To save them from abortions.
6. Not all of them were Democrats.
7. Sez the proud parent of the Klan.
8. Mazeltov.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2017 04:13 PM (326rv)

177 look lefties, if it saves just one life isn't it worth giving up DACA, the CFPB, RBG, and Liz Warren? those two old broads have already lived full lives.

Posted by: x at October 05, 2017 04:13 PM (nFwvY)

178
btw, aren't we overdue for another fake attack on a mosque?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 04:14 PM (yxTdI)

179 Blumenthal has already stated that bump fire stocks are the starting point for gun-banners, not the finish. So this is all academic anyway. But if we are going to have to give something up, something of equal or greater value must be gained. Or no sale.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert

You will get nothing, as usual, and like it.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 04:14 PM (Z65m4)

180 175 I'd prefer a trade off, give me three-round bursts and silencers and 50 round magazines

Seconded. Bump stocks are like "one weird trick" to fire faster. It's a retarded gimmick. So if sacrificing my right to retarded gimmicks will gain me access to something useful like three round bursts, I'm all for it.
Posted by: wooga

***

I don't own a gun in real life, but I own Halo with muh three round shots

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 05, 2017 04:14 PM (XhN8Z)

181 "it is illegal to use any device or method for depressing the trigger more quickly than 1 depression per 2 seconds"? or something? Then any speed shooter is facing a felony charge if he shoots to fast?

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What!?

Posted by: Jerry Miculek at October 05, 2017 04:15 PM (4dz1m)

182 >>>>Seriously it is a brilliant move. Can't demonize the NRA now as they
have publicly called for regulation of the exact thing the liberals
latched onto. It literally takes the wind out of their sales.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:08 PM (+Dllb)

...you really think the left will move on from pushing for gun control? You really think their real target here is bump stocks?
.
.
.Seriously, why do people on here read words that I do not put in my posts?

where and when did I say the left would stop asking for gun control?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:15 PM (+Dllb)

183 Okay, but what makes you think a big public fight with the NRA over bump stocks isn't exactly what the left wants?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (lKyWE)

No, the NRA does not need to have a public fight over anything. Say nothing about it, the ADD media will move on to something else in a week and we can all move on and follow the normal script.

The NRA is now giving the left an opening that they WILL try to exploit.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:15 PM (wmaTe)

184 Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 04:14 PM (yxTdI)

Only if the shooter turns out to be Muslim or-God forbid- when wehave another attack by a member of the religion of peace.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 05, 2017 04:15 PM (iVOAv)

185 Eventually the NRA will run out of chickens.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 05, 2017 04:15 PM (Mouru)

186 DOn't know why I thought of this now, but England jus banned acid sales.

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (QC/4S)

187 Yeah. For goodness' sake, look at what you are dealing with. It may speak nicely, it may make noises that sound like words that it was trained to know would be effective, but it is not human. Would you try to negotiate with a rabid dog? These are rabid dogs who try not to appear so, but it's deception.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (/qEW2)

188 The NRA is now giving the left an opening that they WILL try to exploit.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:15 PM (wmaTe)

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To be fair..... the left tries to exploit shit when there are no openings.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (8XRCm)

189 Remember when Charlottesville was the be all, end all? End of Trump. And all the other stuff. People ready to fight in the streets. Statues toppling.

'Member? Almost seems like a more innocent time somehow.

Posted by: ' Member Berries at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (s8v1a)

190 Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2017 04:13 PM (326rv)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (iVOAv)

191 /sock

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (z/Ubi)

192 DEMs' best wet dream is for a GOP STOOPID enuf to defend bump stocks! They won't "give" anything! They want a big fight over this.

Posted by: mnw at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (phyXb)

193 That being said, how does one write a law to outlaw such a device?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:10 PM (wmaTe)
______________________

You do not need a new law. You just need a reinterpret an existing law. Modifications to legal arms to change them to full automatic are illegal. These things were deemed accessories, not modifications.
Accessories that simulate automatic fire -- legal. Modifications that enable automatic fire illegal.
Po-tay-to Po-tah-to.

I think the Obama ATF was wrong. Just fix that mistake. Keep Congress out of this. They'd screw it up.

Posted by: tommylotto at October 05, 2017 04:17 PM (oozmg)

194 Carrying acid in public without good reason will be outlawed in England. Not kidding.

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:17 PM (QC/4S)

195 Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (QC/4S)

Have they banned trucks yet?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 05, 2017 04:17 PM (iVOAv)

196 where and when did I say the left would stop asking for gun control?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:15 PM (+Dllb)

How else am I supposed to read this: "Can't demonize the NRA now as they have publicly called for regulation of the exact thing the liberals latched onto. It literally takes the wind out of their sales. "

The liberals will continue to demonize the NRA, and will have zero wind taken out of their sails on the gun control issue. They will skip zero beats going from "bump stocks" to "high capacity mags" or "semi auto assault weapons" or whatever else they think they can get.

And now they'll have a new talking point -- "...even the extremist Nazis at the NRA think bump stocks are too extreme for them. But how do they then explain their support for high capacity magazines, which kill way more people and cause way more deaths thank bump stocks? Because they WANT people to die!" (or whatever)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (wmaTe)

197 Move the optics to a discussion of this guy's tactics and what made them so devastating.

He had a high vantage point.

He had a huge, confused, largely immobile target (for the length of time that matters.)

He had darkness and distance and concealment.

Rate of fire did not matter. It did not matter. This was rapid, un-aimed fire.

I have zero interest in bump stocks but I have every interest in talking about real things.

Truth is I bet this would have been worse if he were at a lower angle and using a .50 cal or .338 Lapua, even fired from a bolt. He could have been in a locked, armored van parked in one of the exits but looking out into the field, spraying enfilade. Any situation where aiming just doesn't matter and no one with a gun can get to him quickly.

Posted by: TexasDan at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (yL25O)

198
Oooo Ooooo Ooooo!!!!

I know what I want.

I want the ban on Korean Garands lifted in exchange for bumpstocks.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (8XRCm)

199 I can bump fire my ass, is it now illegal?

Posted by: Hern Burford at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (MvnyR)

200 ATF will craft something expansive, calling the NRA's bluff.

This will end in a broader ban.

Posted by: Marcus T, Caffeine and Hate at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (NMCva)

201 DEMs' best wet dream is for a GOP STOOPID enuf to defend bump stocks! They won't "give" anything! They want a big fight over this.
Posted by: mnw at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (phyXb)

Too late. He just announced his resignation.

Next STOOPID GOP up...

Thom Tillis.

Posted by: golfman at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (48QDY)

202 Good thing no one is talking about binary triggers. Thank God for the ignorance of the left.

Posted by: Iblis at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (9221z)

203 From my limited knowledge, it seems that POS could have done more damage had he not used a bump stock since such so much ammo is wasted with the bump stock. Any experts care to correct me if I'm wrong?

I'm no expert, but I do play a lot of video games.

Had he been at ground level, a few degrees of inaccuracy means he is shooting above the crowd or in the dirt. So a bump stock would have hurt his murder plan. However, his position way up in the hotel gave him a good downward angle on the crowd, so accuracy became irrelevant. A few degrees off center is still going to be a hit from that vantage point. All he needed was rapid fire, accuracy be damned.

Posted by: wooga at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (+LD9I)

204 Has anyone ever actually clicked on sonobi?

Can't read the last part of the article thru it on ipid

Posted by: Euro at October 05, 2017 04:12 PM (7hIYB)
...........

The Future is People

Must have something to do with Soylent Green

Posted by: wth at October 05, 2017 04:19 PM (HgMAr)

205
So few people (including me) ever heard of bumpstocks and not widely used, I can see why they would take the good pr on this one.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 05, 2017 04:19 PM (r+sAi)

206 Have they banned trucks yet?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

"no truck ownership without good reason" !

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:19 PM (QC/4S)

207 You do not need a new law. You just need a reinterpret an existing law. Modifications to legal arms to change them to full automatic are illegal. These things were deemed accessories, not modifications.
Accessories that simulate automatic fire -- legal. Modifications that enable automatic fire illegal.
Po-tay-to Po-tah-to.

I think the Obama ATF was wrong. Just fix that mistake. Keep Congress out of this. They'd screw it up.
Posted by: tommylotto at October 05, 2017 04:17 PM (oozmg)

yeah, but
a) they don't make the gun an automatic weapon
and
b) the atf found them to be accessories but thats clearly what they are -- they are not modifications of the gun at all. They are aftermarket accessories.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:19 PM (wmaTe)

208 "199 I can bump fire my ass, is it now illegal?

Posted by: Hern Burford"

Hi sailor. Free tonight?

Posted by: Shep Smith at October 05, 2017 04:19 PM (OD2ni)

209 How many people do you you think will remember the phrase "bump stock" 2-days after the next National Freakout is underway without having to look it up?

I'm guessing less than 5%.

Posted by: DocJ at October 05, 2017 04:19 PM (NYS7S)

210 Isn't Cam Nuisance the idiot who was all butthurt because Peyton kicked his ass in the superbowl, and it must have been a racist plot ... because Peyton was white? Is he a kneeler?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 05, 2017 04:19 PM (/qEW2)

211 Tell your a what. I'll trade passage of The Hearing Protection Act for a bump stick ban. Deal?

Imagine Bitch McConnell saying that?

Posted by: Marcus T, Caffeine and Hate at October 05, 2017 04:20 PM (NMCva)

212 186 DOn't know why I thought of this now, but England jus banned acid sales.
Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (QC/4S)

Wow, did they really. I guess it makes sense, since it was not just a few mentally ill people doing it, as the media swore it was, but a whole group under the sway of a certain ideology of peace - as in destroying peace everywhere they go.

Posted by: Gumdrop Goriila needs to get going at October 05, 2017 04:20 PM (s8v1a)

213 correction. acid sales - to minors.

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:20 PM (QC/4S)

214 It's dumb to assent to any degree of the argument that blames the tech, blames the device.

Posted by: TexasDan at October 05, 2017 04:20 PM (yL25O)

215 The Vegas massacre will be overcome by events within the next two weeks.

No congressman wants to fuck with gun rights this close to the midterms anyway. The whole bumper stock question will just fade away.

Posted by: Soona at October 05, 2017 04:20 PM (ZAAkQ)

216 adults can still purchase acid, but not carry around in public. without good reason that is.

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:21 PM (QC/4S)

217

Is it true Mattis said we need to stay in the nuke deal with Iran??

That's what Fake News told me, today.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 04:21 PM (yxTdI)

218 Well good. The terrorists in England won't have acid to throw around anymore.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 05, 2017 04:21 PM (m9X4Y)

219 Good thing no one is talking about binary triggers. Thank God for the ignorance of the left.
Posted by: Iblis at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (9221z)

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There's all kinds of shit I dont want the left getting educated about, like blackpowder or reloading, or casting lead bullets.

"You mean.... you can make your own ammo??? IN YOUR HOUSE???"

"Yes".

*histrionics ensue

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:22 PM (8XRCm)

220 The NRA is just trying to get out in front on this.

A) Blame it on the Fredo Admin...they said these were OK..And drive that fuckin point home

B) Be on the "Inside" on this so they can control the language of what ever reg comes up...IE..Control the narrative for once

C) Mokusatsu this: Treat this with indifference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:22 PM (SjImc)

221 189 Remember when Charlottesville was the be all, end all? End of Trump. And all the other stuff. People ready to fight in the streets. Statues toppling.

'Member? Almost seems like a more innocent time somehow.
Posted by: ' Member Berrie

**************

We got more...

1. The USNS COMFORT IS AT NORFOLK!!!!!!

2. White men are terrorists! And Trump is white!

3. Mike Florio said a recent poll shows the the NFL OWNED TRUMP on the flag/anthem protests.

So much MSM winning.

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 05, 2017 04:22 PM (XhN8Z)

222 Has anyone seen the timeline of the whole shooting explained yet?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 05, 2017 04:22 PM (6Ll1u)

223 "I think the Obama ATF was wrong. Just fix that mistake. Keep Congress out of this. They'd screw it up.
Posted by: tommylotto at October 05, 2017 04:17 PM (oozmg)"

Agreed. I looked at some sites that sell bump stocks and it is advertised as a way to simulate automatic without the red tape that comes with compliance under the NFA.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2017 04:22 PM (OD2ni)

224 No congressman wants to fuck with gun rights this close to the midterms anyway. The whole bumper stock question will just fade away.
Posted by: Soona at October 05, 2017 04:20 PM (ZAAkQ)

This +1
As soon as Trump's next outrageous tweet or NFL grand standing takes this off the front pages.
Or we find out this guy was a Bernie-Bro ISIS convert type.

Posted by: Iblis at October 05, 2017 04:22 PM (9221z)

225 214 It's dumb to assent to any degree of the argument that blames the tech, blames the device.
Posted by: TexasDan at October 05, 2017 04:20 PM (yL25O)

Agreed. We're accepting the left's premise and giving them a big opening to take advantage of.

And I expect the left to at least try to take advantage of this opening.

We shall see.

I think it's a huge strategic mistake. Huge.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:22 PM (wmaTe)

226 Well good. The terrorists in England won't have acid to throw around anymore.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse

We won't lye to you.

Posted by: Religion of Peace at October 05, 2017 04:22 PM (326rv)

227 Freedom Caucus Head Mark Meadows: Open to Gun Control Banning Bump Stocks
-BB

Yeah, we need a new party.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 05, 2017 04:23 PM (mcI77)

228
Is it true Mattis said we need to stay in the nuke deal with Iran??

He did but with a list of caveats

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 05, 2017 04:23 PM (lKyWE)

229 OT, but 189's comment on how different events were supposed to be the be-all end-all brought to mind...

Catalonia declares independence Monday. Madrid and EU ain't gonna stand for that. Civil war, and only gov has arms. Not to mention EU desire for an army. What happens? No well regulated armed militia over here.

Posted by: Euro at October 05, 2017 04:23 PM (7hIYB)

230 186 DOn't know why I thought of this now, but England jus banned acid sales.

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:16 PM (QC/4S)
...............

Too late. Whoa! All of a sudden everything looks like a cartoon.

Posted by: Gov. Jerry "Flashback" Brown at October 05, 2017 04:24 PM (HgMAr)

231 Don't waste your time, they are junk. Inaccurate and cause jams. Just
some toy that the wannabe Rangers take to the range to show how cool
they are.

Ok, but wasn't Ace saying recently that NRA never gives an inch, and that's why they (were?) successful? On Twitter this is being played as "NRA + GOPe = that's how you get more Trump".

Posted by: Ian S. at October 05, 2017 04:24 PM (3J/LN)

232 Has anyone seen the timeline of the whole shooting explained yet?

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Ya, an hour after the guy shot himself, SWAT used an explosive charge to breach the door.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 05, 2017 04:24 PM (m9X4Y)

233 210 Isn't Cam Nuisance the idiot who was all butthurt because Peyton kicked his ass in the superbowl, and it must have been a racist plot ... because Peyton was white? Is he a kneeler?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 05, 2017 04:19 PM (/qEW2)

Peyton kicked his ass? Affirmative
Racist Plot? TBD

He also invented 'the dab" or "dabbing" celebratory dance move.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at October 05, 2017 04:24 PM (ce4vQ)

234 Trump should Tweet out an invite to Cam Newton to come to the White House.

That will spin things in a new direction for 48 hrs.

Astros!

Up 1 - 0 with 1 out in the Bottom of the 1st.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:24 PM (UyKzE)

235
Mattis is a shit, then.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 04:25 PM (yxTdI)

236 211 Tell your a what. I'll trade passage of The Hearing Protection Act for a bump stick ban. Deal?

Imagine Bitch McConnell saying that?
Posted by: Marcus T, Caffeine and Hate at October 05, 2017 04:20 PM (NMCva)

Better yet, put it in the Hearing Protection Act and dare the Dem's to veto it.

Posted by: WisRich at October 05, 2017 04:25 PM (G0vdT)

237 Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF,
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Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF,
Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF,
Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF,
Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF,
Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF,
Approved by Obama ATF, Approved by Obama ATF...

Posted by: davidt at October 05, 2017 04:25 PM (qnVoV)

238 Agreed. I looked at some sites that sell bump stocks and it is advertised as a way to simulate automatic without the red tape that comes with compliance under the NFA.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2017 04:22 PM (OD2ni)

I think we all agree it's stupid and gimicky.

That said, it does not, in any way, make a semi automatic gun an automatic gun.

The firing mechanism of a semi-auto operates differently than an auto gun.

All this does is use the recoil of the gun to "load" a spring that then pushes the gun back against your trigger finger, causing you to fire more quickly then you otherwise would by pulling the trigger as q uickly as you can.

Although there are people who can pull triggers incredibly fast.

A rubber band does the same damn thing as a bump stock.

There are whole youtube videos out there of fat guys using their beer gut in place of a bump stock.

It's not any kind of modification of the gun, you're just basically adding a spring to the back of it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:25 PM (wmaTe)

239 Altuve!

Back 2 Back off Sale!!

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:25 PM (UyKzE)

240 Cam Nuisance: proving the necessity for white quarterbacks.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 05, 2017 04:25 PM (/qEW2)

241 Now, let's talk about pressure cookers. They are kind of dangerous, no ? How about exploding donkeys ? I think Palis used that device a few times.

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (QC/4S)

242 232 Has anyone seen the timeline of the whole shooting explained yet?

----

Ya, an hour after the guy shot himself, SWAT used an explosive charge to breach the door.

***

yeah, I think breitbart had a good one.

The thing happened a lot faster than I thought. 10 minutes of shooting, a security guard then got 200 rounds in (or near) his leg for knocking on his door. Then he stopped firing, so swat methodically took their time to blast his door open (i.e., the 72 minutes).

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (XhN8Z)

243 Antiquated First Amendment?

I will go back to muskets as soon as the NYT goes back to hand powered printing presses, and CNN is a loud mouth standing on a box in Times Square.

And I want my four pounder gun too.

Posted by: Jerry Miculek at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (4dz1m)

244 227

The new party will be very small.

Posted by: mnw at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (phyXb)

245 ""You mean.... you can make your own ammo??? IN YOUR HOUSE???"

"Yes".

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Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (EyPfd)

246 And yet another reason to quit buying on Amazon...

Bought The Monster Hunter Files on Kindle. Online price says $7.99 but according to my credit card I have a pending transaction with Amazon for $8.55.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (a9VQa)

247 For everyone claiming they will trade bump stocks for something else, please list what gun stuff the dems have compromised on since 1934.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (Z65m4)

248 "Ya, an hour after the guy shot himself, SWAT used an explosive charge to breach the door."

Thomas Wictor (as usual) has a good breakdown on Twitter. Based on the death photos, he believes that the a-hole shot himself by accident while juggling multiple guns with gloves on.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2017 04:27 PM (OD2ni)

249 ATF will craft something expansive, calling the NRA's bluff.

This will end in a broader ban.
Posted by: Marcus T, Caffeine and Hate at October 05, 2017 04:18 PM (NMCva)

The ATF can't craft a law , only Congress can do that. The ATF has already stated, in writing numerous times that bump stocks do not violate either of the major firearms regulation acts passed by Congress. The ATF can only implement bans that Congress writes.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:27 PM (gIJ6H)

250 Is it true Mattis said we need to stay in the nuke deal with Iran??

=

both MAttis and Join Chiefs

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:27 PM (QC/4S)

251 Joint Chiefs that is

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2017 04:27 PM (QC/4S)

252 No well regulated armed militia over here.
Posted by: Euro at October 05, 2017 04:23 PM (7hIYB)

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As as aside......

The next time a lefty talks about "well regulated militia"..... point out to them that "regulated" referring to troops at the time of the framing did not mean "burdened with regulations from the government.

Well regulated meant "very versed" or "practiced, proficient, or accomplished".

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:27 PM (8XRCm)

253 Guns don't kill people but bump stocks do, apparently.

I hate that we have gone weak-kneed on this with zero appreciation for what we are saying.

400 rpm vs 120 rpm. Tell me the body count is measurably different.

Or we accept that 2nd just means muskets.

Posted by: TexasDan at October 05, 2017 04:27 PM (yL25O)

254 where and when did I say the left would stop asking for gun control?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:15 PM (+Dllb)

Because the Left asking for - demanding - gun control means the Left is going to get it. Guaranteed. With the exception for all of the times the Left hasn't gotten it. Which is unimportant because my fears trump any reason you can bring up.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout at October 05, 2017 04:28 PM (hLRSq)

255 I mean, whatever, clearly I'm in the minority on this one. And I don't ever plan on buying something as stupid and gimicky as a bump stock, nor do I plan on disrespecting my expensive firearms and deadly bullets flying out the end handling them in a way that I think is irresponsible and borderline reckless. (bump firing).

That said -- I guess we'll have to see how this plays out. I think everyone knows my wager.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:28 PM (wmaTe)

256 I should read the heading ut all day Bump Stocks are the lead topic and if I have it right illegal full auto rifles that Fkhead supposed to use is out and he was really using Bump Stocks instead?

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:28 PM (ghofu)

257 For everyone claiming they will trade bump stocks for something else, please list what gun stuff the dems have compromised on since 1934.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (Z65m4)

And THIS is what bothers me. I could giver to shits about bump stocks..but once you give the left an inch they want the tip and other 7 inches.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:28 PM (SjImc)

258 If I saw the correct picture it looked like the guy put a barrel to the roof of his mouth and blew his brains out.

Posted by: Bosk at October 05, 2017 04:29 PM (fjMEv)

259 Ok, but wasn't Ace saying recently that NRA never gives an inch, and that's why they (were?) successful?

NRA never gives an inch, but they will give up 20 rounds in a magazine.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 04:29 PM (Z65m4)

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Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (EyPfd)

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You speaka mah language, sir.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:29 PM (8XRCm)

261 Should we ban multi-story buildings?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 05, 2017 04:29 PM (EyPfd)

262
Thomas Wictor (as usual) has a good breakdown on Twitter. Based on the death photos, he believes that the a-hole shot himself by accident while juggling multiple guns with gloves on.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2017 04:27 PM (OD2ni)

Does he think Paddock was using his teeth to hold the barrel of a gun? I've seen the photo and Paddock's face was intact, his palate and the back of his head isn't.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:29 PM (gIJ6H)

263 Or we accept that 2nd just means muskets.
Posted by: TexasDan at October 05, 2017 04:27 PM

At least I'm ahead of that curve

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:29 PM (ghofu)

264 "Well regulated meant "very versed" or "practiced, proficient, or accomplished".

Posted by: fixerupper"

Yup. Thank God Scalia was given the chance
to explain the historical meaning in great detail in Heller.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2017 04:30 PM (OD2ni)

265
These bump stock ban people remind me of when homosexuals just said we just want legal partnerships not marriage. They got marriage but still aren't happy because some people won't celebrate with them.

Their ultimate goal is gun confiscation. Check that.... their ultimate goal is to make you a slave of the state after gun confiscation.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 05, 2017 04:30 PM (r+sAi)

266 The NRA did not back the Heller case; they were the ones opposed to it because they were the ones afraid of what the SC would rule. Only after Heller won did the NRA run around spiking the ball and end zone dancing like they had been the ones that scored.

By the way, the USCCA insurance is a much better deal than what you folks are saying about the NRA carry insurance. The USCCA insurance even covers you if you have to kick somebodies ass in a fist fight

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/

Posted by: Clearly at October 05, 2017 04:30 PM (gNQDb)

267 but once you give the left an inch they want the tip and other 7 inches.
.............

Say there!

Posted by: Shep at October 05, 2017 04:30 PM (HgMAr)

268 If it is able to identify the person who allegedly shouted a racial slur at Washington Redskins receiver Terrelle Pryor on Monday night, the NFL will ban that fan from future games, league spokesman Joe Lockhart said on a conference call Thursday.

Yeah just one problem, there is NO evidence anyone called him a racial name?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:30 PM (SjImc)

269 Fifty six cents in taxes. Luckily just bought it and told Amazon I wanted a refund.

Sheesh.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 05, 2017 04:30 PM (a9VQa)

270

The next time a lefty talks about "well regulated militia".....
point out to them that "regulated" referring to troops at the time of
the framing did not mean "burdened with regulations from the government.

Also point out that it reads "being necessary to the security of a free State".

ie, to ensure the State remains free. So, if it tries to become otherwise, it won't face a disarmed people.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2017 04:30 PM (oVJmc)

271 >>If I saw the correct picture it looked like the guy put a barrel to the roof of his mouth and blew his brains out.

He was juggling guns with his mouth, apparently.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:31 PM (UyKzE)

272 Harry is correct - huge mistake.

Unless the GOP is even worse than many say, and they really don't have the sense to let this hysteria pass.

There is zero - zero - political exposure to almost any incumbent on this non-issue. Nearly impossible to imagine a race - primary or general - turning on this. That's the practical standard.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2017 04:32 PM (QDnY+)

273 but once you give the left an inch they want the tip and other 7 inches.

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YOUR new nickname is SHORTSTUFF

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:32 PM (8XRCm)

274 PR governor saying they're running out of money. With a $119 billion deficit, it looks like they ran out of money a long time ago.

Posted by: Soona at October 05, 2017 04:32 PM (ZAAkQ)

275 Bought The Monster Hunter Files on Kindle. Online price says $7.99 but according to my credit card I have a pending transaction with Amazon for $8.55.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (a9VQa)

Taxes, Amazon must have a physical presence in the state of your billing address.

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at October 05, 2017 04:32 PM (dab45)

276 The left starts calling them 'Trump Stocks' in 3.. 2.. 1...

Posted by: Johnny at October 05, 2017 04:32 PM (kUotE)

277 I was wondering same thing, Fkhead humps 40 some weapons up to the 32nd floor, thounds of rounds that weight a lot, only to fire off 500 rounds if that in 10 minutes then shoots himself?

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:32 PM (ghofu)

278

CNBC - Harvey Weinstein is going to sue the NY Slimes over their defamatory story about him. Libturd vs libturds. Love it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2017 04:33 PM (493sH)

279 242 232 Has anyone seen the timeline of the whole shooting explained yet?

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Ya, an hour after the guy shot himself, SWAT used an explosive charge to breach the door.

***

yeah, I think breitbart had a good one.

The thing happened a lot faster than I thought. 10 minutes of shooting, a security guard then got 200 rounds in (or near) his leg for knocking on his door. Then he stopped firing, so swat methodically took their time to blast his door open (i.e., the 72 minutes).

+++++++++++++

So Once Again!

The shooter is confronted, He is challenged, and he then takes himself out?

This is like how many have done the same? You confront them and they eat the gun?

The only one I remember that did not kill himself was the Afghani in the Pulse Night Club. He made the Orlando Police back off with a threat of a bomb, and kept killing Hispanic Homosexuals while the police "negotiated." The police were actually in the nightclub itself in minutes. And then they were withdrawn.

How many people bled out in that three hour window?

Posted by: rd at October 05, 2017 04:33 PM (4dz1m)

280 Fixer upper, I know what the well reg militia means. Stuck over here, but still very much an ami that the locals tell to go home. My thinking/writing not clear, apologies, and it's a b!tch typing on tiny keys.

No armed citizens in EU. Barcelona is serious. Madrid and EU serious that there's no independence, so now what? Eu laws will send France and Germ support to Madrid.

Posted by: Euro at October 05, 2017 04:33 PM (7hIYB)

281 >>>>where and when did I say the left would stop asking for gun control?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:15 PM (+Dllb)

Because the Left asking for - demanding - gun control means the Left
is going to get it. Guaranteed. With the exception for all of the
times the Left hasn't gotten it. Which is unimportant because my fears
trump any reason you can bring up.
.
.
.Glad I reread your post because I totally took it the wrong way at first, and here is what I wrote in response before I reread your post:

With one notable sunseted exception they haven't gotten anything passed at the Federal level since the 1970s.

Not sure where people are going with this or why they think the left is winning on gun control. Every single time they have tried anything at the National level in regards to further gun control in my life they have gotten their asses handed to them, with that one exception that is now long gone.

Would someone please tell me what National huge gun control success the the dems have gotten since the GCA was passed in 1968? Sure in Blue States they have all sorts of crazy stuff but they have lost their collective butts on the National Stage where it counts.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:33 PM (+Dllb)

282 >>I was wondering same thing, Fkhead humps 40 some weapons up to the 32nd floor, thounds of rounds that weight a lot, only to fire off 500 rounds if that in 10 minutes then shoots himself?

Guy could have done a lot more damage if he was 1/2 as shrewd as people want to credit him for.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:34 PM (UyKzE)

283 Why doesn't the House / Senate initiate the usual commission "to study" bump stocks, and over the course of years, just disappear like all the other "studies"?

The MSM's gnat-like memory will forget this either way, and the next Jihadi attack will wipe this off table completely.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at October 05, 2017 04:34 PM (ce4vQ)

284 CNBC - Harvey Weinstein is going to sue the NY Slimes over their defamatory story about him. Libturd vs libturds. Love it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2017 04:33 PM (493sH)

Yeah LOL...it's a win win...I have no idea who to root for?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:34 PM (SjImc)

285 271 >>If I saw the correct picture it looked like the guy put a barrel to the roof of his mouth and blew his brains out.

He was juggling guns with his mouth, apparently.

************

That's a classic standby

Posted by: The Clinton Foundation Wet Work Team at October 05, 2017 04:34 PM (XhN8Z)

286 >>>Any experts care to correct me if I'm wrong?

Posted by: Benji Carver<<<

I only play an expert on the interwebs, but I figure when this fucking cowardly murdering piece-of-shit is firing a rifle from a 32nd floor window and his target is a crowd of 22,000 people at over 400 yards away, he just needs to find his elevation to spray them will bullets. I don't believe precision targeting was a priority.

Posted by: Fritz at October 05, 2017 04:34 PM (3ubcI)

287 As I said earlier:

"Bump stocks, bump uglies . . . whatever"

Posted by: Publius Redux at October 05, 2017 04:34 PM (Fb9aZ)

288 So how many people even heard of bump stocks or bump fire a week ago?

Posted by: tu3031 at October 05, 2017 04:34 PM (O5Q3r)

289 "Does he think Paddock was using his teeth to hold the barrel of a gun? I've seen the photo and Paddock's face was intact, his palate and the back of his head isn't.
Posted by: Jen the original"

He thinks he may have tripped in panic and the gun went off right at his face. Wictor believes the sheer volume of blood around his head indicates that he choked on his own blood for several minutes before dying and had not intended that. Interesting take and the fact that he could have kept firing for a while longer supports that.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (OD2ni)

290 Does he think Paddock was using his teeth to hold the barrel of a gun? I've seen the photo and Paddock's face was intact, his palate and the back of his head isn't.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:29 PM (gIJ6H)

I see lots of blood, but no brains

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (dab45)

291 If you act now against the gun grabbers by renewing your NRA membership for 30 years you get a blanket emblazoned with Charleton Heston's face and a free $200 accidental death policy.

Posted by: Weasel at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (Sfs6o)

292 Pamela Geller has an article showing ISIS infographic published today stating Paddock converted to Islam six months ago.

She disputes the media claiming that ISIS is simply trying to use this for PR and they had no affiliation with Paddock.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (gIJ6H)

293 Saw something this morning that Gen Kelly didn't go on the Vegas trip and will quit shortly, he is just a swamp blocker is what he is.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (6Ll1u)

294 IMO, this is purely an optics move by the NRA to appear ressonable.

The ATF does not take direction from the NRA, and bump stocks have been around for ages with ATF approval.

Now, the ATF can and will change their minds on things on a whim on a routine basis, - they recently reversed course on their ar15 pistol ruling.

Posted by: ghbucky at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (D2q91)

295 On Second Amendment issues, I fear Ivanka more than I fear Pelosi Galore.

Posted by: Furious George at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (j+dfT)

296 Wow. F*cking OBAMA was totes cool with it (or at least recognized he, f*cking OBAMA, didn't have the ability), and now the (R)s are going to ban them.

Yay.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (rjrh3)

297 The Right of the people to keep and bear arms !

Posted by: Michelle Fields at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (QC/4S)

298 OT, but so what.

For AtC, and all us NYC H8ers-

Go Indians! Beat those basterds!

Posted by: Anybody but the NY Yankees at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (tGjfm)

299 These bump-muskets must be seized from the peasantry!

Posted by: Thomas Gage at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (MvnyR)

300
I see lots of blood, but no brains

There, that PROVES he's a Democrat!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (oVJmc)

301 247 For everyone claiming they will trade bump stocks for something else, please list what gun stuff the dems have compromised on since 1934.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (Z65m4)

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And this is why I don't think anything will come of this. The statement is PR. The NRA comes away looking reasonable and the banners look unreasonable and unwilling to compromise.

Posted by: Jackal at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (tRE+R)

302 >>Pamela Geller has an article showing ISIS infographic published today

...and some big tits.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (UyKzE)

303 I'd trade a "discussion" on bump stocks in exchange for putting national carry and suppressors back on the table.

Otherwise the left can go fuck themselves.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (MCEs2)

304 On Second Amendment issues, I fear Ivanka more than I fear Pelosi Galore.

I fear the GOPe.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 04:37 PM (Z65m4)

305 CNBC - Harvey Weinstein is going to sue the NY Slimes over their defamatory story about him. Libturd vs libturds. Love it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan

Awesome. Thank you.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 05, 2017 04:37 PM (/qEW2)

306 Also saw a report he fired off 200 rounds at the door I guess to keep back anyone down the hall and that a few of the rifles jammed.

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:37 PM (ghofu)

307
CNBC - Harvey Weinstein is going to sue the NY Slimes over their defamatory story about him. Libturd vs libturds. Love it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2017 04:33 PM (493sH)

Might be hard to win since he's made payments to several women of between 80,000 -100,00 dollars to keep them quite

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 05, 2017 04:37 PM (lKyWE)

308 Rep Tim Murphy (R-PA) has resigned. This is one day after the revelation that he had urged his mistress to get an abortion (when they thought she was pregnant). Murphy had been an advocate for pro-life policies.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 05, 2017 04:37 PM (398bZ)

309 Go Indians! Beat those basterds!

Posted by: Anybody but the NY Yankees at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (tGjfm)

If I did not have real thick skin, I might take that as an insult and fighting words?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:38 PM (SjImc)

310 288 So how many people even heard of bump stocks or bump fire a week ago?
Posted by: tu3031 at October 05, 2017 04:34 PM (O5Q3r)

Raises hand

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 05, 2017 04:38 PM (IWbvi)

311 300
I see lots of blood, but no brains

There, that PROVES he's a Democrat!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (oVJmc)

Wiping monitor

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at October 05, 2017 04:38 PM (dab45)

312 >>Might be hard to win since he's made payments to several women of between 80,000 -100,00 dollars to keep them quite

because everyone knows there's no chance of keeping them quiet.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:38 PM (UyKzE)

313 And this is why I don't think anything will come of this. The statement is PR. The NRA comes away looking reasonable and the banners look unreasonable and unwilling to compromise.

And that stopped them when? '34? '68? '94 Clinton Gun Ban?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 04:38 PM (Z65m4)

314 "Glad I reread your post because I totally took it the wrong way at first, and here is what I wrote in response before I reread your post:"

I need to preemptively deploy my sarc tags.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout at October 05, 2017 04:38 PM (hLRSq)

315 >>>>Also saw a report he fired off 200 rounds at the door I guess to keep
back anyone down the hall and that a few of the rifles jammed.
.
.
.Bump fire stocks do that often. Most likely why he brought all of those rifles with him.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 05, 2017 04:38 PM (+Dllb)

316 please list what gun stuff the dems have compromised on since 1934.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2017 04:26 PM (Z65m4)

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Not a damn thing.

But... the courts have shoved a lot of shit up their asses in the last 15 years.

But... never forget.... Heller was a 5-4 split.

ONE.

FUCKING.

VOTE.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:39 PM (8XRCm)

317 Rep Tim Murphy (R-PA) has resigned. This is one day after the revelation that he had urged his mistress to get an abortion (when they thought she was pregnant). Murphy had been an advocate for pro-life policies.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 05, 2017 04:37 PM (398bZ)

He's actually a real good guy...I served with him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:39 PM (SjImc)

318 What's the NRA's problem with recoil comfort stocks?

Posted by: Keyser Sonobi at October 05, 2017 04:39 PM (QQ+il)

319 290
I see lots of blood, but no brains
Posted by: random lurker commenter at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (dab45)

Proof positive he was a democrat then.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 05, 2017 04:39 PM (jxbfJ)

320 Suddenly I feel a whole of a lot better not being part of the NRA. Sorry about all of those suckers who bought life memberships, though.

Posted by: _Jaybee_ at October 05, 2017 04:39 PM (O3uss)

321 But his use of illegal full auto rifles are out now?

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:40 PM (ghofu)

322 Rep Tim Murphy (R-PA) has resigned. This is one day after the revelation that he had urged his mistress to get an abortion (when they thought she was pregnant). Murphy had been an advocate for pro-life policies.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 05, 2017 04:37 PM (398bZ)

He's actually a real good guy...I served with him
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:39 PM (SjImc)

Oh not sure he resigned, just announced he will not run for re-election

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:40 PM (SjImc)

323 Hmmm. I'd like to see a second source for confirmation.

4chan - one source
Twitter post on subject not sourcing 4chan different source

That is why I waited before posting.

Doubtless you want links. Here:

https//www.google.com

Posted by: Clearly at October 05, 2017 04:40 PM (gNQDb)

324 the banners look unreasonable and unwilling to compromise.
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Hey Jesus freaks, are you done with my cake yet?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 05, 2017 04:40 PM (rjrh3)

325 "Rep Tim Murphy (R-PA) has resigned. This is one day after the revelation that he had urged his mistress to get an abortion (when they thought she was pregnant). Murphy had been an advocate for pro-life policies."

Good riddance. If you presume that all politicians are lying scumbags of varying degree, you don't get disappointed.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2017 04:40 PM (OD2ni)

326 CNBC - Harvey Weinstein is going to sue the NY Slimes over their defamatory story about him. Libturd vs libturds. Love it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2017 04:33 PM (493sH)

Might be hard to win since he's made payments to several women of between 80,000 -100,00 dollars to keep them quite

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic

If so, couldn't those be regarded as really expensive escorts? Or out of court settlements? In any case, something not admissible in court.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 05, 2017 04:40 PM (/qEW2)

327 320 Suddenly I feel a whole of a lot better not being part of the NRA. Sorry about all of those suckers who bought life memberships, though.

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We would not own firearms today without the NRA. No doubt in my mind on that score.

Posted by: ghbucky at October 05, 2017 04:41 PM (D2q91)

328
Hopefully, they won't make a mistake and-

outlaw lady bumps at the same time.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 05, 2017 04:41 PM (NyJwR)

329 308 Rep Tim Murphy (R-PA) has resigned. This is one day after the revelation that he had urged his mistress to get an abortion (when they thought she was pregnant). Murphy had been an advocate for pro-life policies.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 05, 2017 04:37 PM (398bZ)

I'm an advocate of getting rid of most tax deductions, but that doesn't mean I don't take 'em every year when available!

(joking, joking)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 05, 2017 04:41 PM (wmaTe)

330 Does he think Paddock was using his teeth to hold the barrel of a gun? I've seen the photo and Paddock's face was intact, his palate and the back of his head isn't.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:29 PM (gIJ6H)

I see lots of blood, but no brains
Posted by: random lurker commenter at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (dab45)

I'ive seen cattle shot in the forehead at close range prior to butchering and they don't have brains flying around everywhere. My guess is the coroner will say he died of a self inflicted gunshot wound, maybe he can determine if it was deliberate.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:41 PM (gIJ6H)

331 321
But his use of illegal full auto rifles are out now?
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:40 PM (ghofu)

Everything I've seen says they were acquired legally.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 05, 2017 04:42 PM (UBzPO)

332 "On Second Amendment issues, I fear Ivanka more than I fear Pelosi Galore."

Because Trump does everything Ivanka wants him to do with the exception of all of the things that she wants that he hasn't done.

[sarc tag here]

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout at October 05, 2017 04:42 PM (hLRSq)

333 252 No well regulated armed militia over here.
Posted by: Euro at October 05, 2017 04:23 PM (7hIYB)

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As as aside......

The next time a lefty talks about "well regulated militia"..... point out to them that "regulated" referring to troops at the time of the framing did not mean "burdened with regulations from the government.

Well regulated meant "very versed" or "practiced, proficient, or accomplished".

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:27 PM (8XRCm)

Too true! The European Armies of that time were not well regulated. They would take a town and steal anything not nailed down. If they took a liking to your womenfolk, well lets just say the Munich Train Station on New Years Eve was the just start of her journey.

And it was almost as bad in WW2. There was a reason the Germans prefered to be occupied by the Americans.

Posted by: rd at October 05, 2017 04:42 PM (4dz1m)

334 "Oh not sure he resigned, just announced he will not run for re-election"

NGU, I'm taking this from a report at Townhall. They say his resignation is effective Oct 21.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 05, 2017 04:42 PM (398bZ)

335 325: Agreed don't kill any baby except one embarrassing to me, is an ultra hypocrite

Posted by: CN at October 05, 2017 04:42 PM (5gaNQ)

336 The Right of the people to keep and bear arms !

Posted by: Michelle Fields at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (QC/4S)
.............

Right on sister! Whether real or wooden!

Posted by: Inspector Krogh at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (HgMAr)

337 Caller on radio said he had a user class 3 licence and new a lot about Bump Stocks thought the cyclic rate wasn't up to a full auto.

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (ghofu)

338 Shouldn't the Dems be standing up for Murphy for his strong pro abortion stance, like they would if he was a Democrat?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (6Ll1u)

339 NGU, I'm taking this from a report at Townhall. They say his resignation is effective Oct 21.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 05, 2017 04:42 PM (398bZ)

Sigh ok maybe.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (SjImc)

340 Pamela Geller has an article showing ISIS infographic published today stating Paddock converted to Islam six months ago.

How embarrassing for poor Pam.

She must have missed the FBI's announcement 20 minutes after the shooting stopped that it had been conclusively established that Paddock had no connection at all with ISIS.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (Mouru)

341 Harvey Weinstein is deflecting, signalling to libtards that he's going to use his time "off" to fight Trump and the NRA....

Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (7uYFy)

342 I'ive seen cattle shot in the forehead at close range prior to butchering and they don't have brains flying around everywhere. My guess is the coroner will say he died of a self inflicted gunshot wound, maybe he can determine if it was deliberate.

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when suiciding someone, be sure to avoid the blood, leave the brains.

Posted by: The Clinton Foundation Wet Work Team at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (XhN8Z)

343
I see lots of blood, but no brains
Posted by: random lurker commenter at October 05, 2017 04:35 PM (dab45)

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Yeah. I was disappointed that assholes head didn't split wide open.

Must have shot himself with a 9mm ball round. Too bad it wasnt a 9mm hollow point or better a 45 acp.

12 guage for the most dramatic effect.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (8XRCm)

344 Oh not sure he resigned, just announced he will not run for re-election
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:40 PM (SjImc)

Paul Ryan announced today that he accepted Murphy's resignation, effective October 21st.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (gIJ6H)

345
Murphy had been an advocate for pro-life policies.

Another Phony Republican exposed.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (yxTdI)

346 332 "On Second Amendment issues, I fear Ivanka more than I fear Pelosi Galore."

Because Trump does everything Ivanka wants him to do with the exception of all of the things that she wants that he hasn't done.

[sarc tag here]

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He listens to Donald Jr., and Eric on guns. And for our sakes, I hope he is listening to Steve Bannon too!

Posted by: rd at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (4dz1m)

347 332, still want to see javanka go back to NYC

Posted by: CN at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (5gaNQ)

348 where is the 13 mark/tattoo on the neck where his Adam's apple is from the original picture to it being gone from the neck of the dead body?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (XFue2)

349 I'ive seen cattle shot in the forehead at close range prior to butchering and they don't have brains flying around everywhere. My guess is the coroner will say he died of a self inflicted gunshot wound, maybe he can determine if it was deliberate.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:41 PM (gIJ6H)

Was responding to the "blew his brains out / back of his head off" verbiage

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (dab45)

350 326 CNBC - Harvey Weinstein is going to sue the NY Slimes over their defamatory story about him. Libturd vs libturds. Love it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2017 04:33 PM (493sH)

Might be hard to win since he's made payments to several women of between 80,000 -100,00 dollars to keep them quiet

=====

How much did he pay the men?

Asking because of muh PAY GAP PATRIARCHY!

Posted by: Carlos Danger at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (ce4vQ)

351 The real cowards here are the Democrat politicians. They don't want to ban stocks, or assault weapons. They want complete gun confiscation. You need only look at the cities they rule to know this is true.

They don't have the guts to say what they really want - because they know it'll never play well in places like Ohio and Wisconsin.

In 2020 whoever they run will swear they support the Second Amendment, then, once they're in the White House, they'll appoint SCOTUS justices that will neuter the same amendment.

The sole reason I voted for Trump last year was to make sure the balance of SCOTUS remains conservative. Anything else he does is gravy.

Posted by: Mike at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (r5g3L)

352
She must have missed the FBI's announcement 20 minutes after the shooting stopped that it had been conclusively established that Paddock had no connection at all with ISIS.

Yep. Case closed.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (yxTdI)

353 well, for some reason sponsors are also anti-NFL. Dannon dropped Scam! This must be racism.

Posted by: Roger Goodell, Supreme Smart Overlord at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (XhN8Z)

354 Next Wednesday is Queers day on BBC America. They will be showing eight special LGBT vignettes. Be sure to tune in!!

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at October 05, 2017 04:45 PM (nILVB)

355 Down the rabbit hole re: Vegas:

"Concert was used to cover-up High level assassination of Janet Airlines officials.

So everyone knows who Janet Airlines is right? Used to shuttle people from LV to Area 51.

Why was the second window angle pointed towards the airport near the Janet Airlines terminal parking lot?

Why in the leaked photos was the high powered rifle spotted at this window?"

NOTE: he also supposedly shot at the jet fuel storage tanks.

Posted by: shibumi at October 05, 2017 04:45 PM (aT+Bx)

356 " Pamela Geller has an article showing ISIS infographic published today stating Paddock converted to Islam six months ago. "

There is a possibility that this is true, and if it's so proven, I'll have no trouble admitting I'm wrong.

But one thing Geller and ISIS have in common is that they both credit ISIS for every act of terrorism.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2017 04:45 PM (7uYFy)

357 I actually kinda like the idea of a slow shitty painful death for him.

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at October 05, 2017 04:45 PM (dab45)

358 If the ATF under Obama found that its pen and phone authority did not reach that far, well then, by golly, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say their authority actually does not reach that far.

the ATF under obama called it a silly little gadget or something to that effect

they may have just decided it wasn't worth p*ssing off more voters

they may have just thought it wouldn't make a difference and sided with caution on voters

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 05, 2017 04:46 PM (fceHP)

359 348 where is the 13 mark/tattoo on the neck where his Adam's apple is from the original picture to it being gone from the neck of the dead body?

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damn, that's some amatuer shit right there.

Posted by: The Clinton Foundation Wet Work Team at October 05, 2017 04:46 PM (XhN8Z)

360
If so, couldn't those be regarded as really expensive escorts? Or out of court settlements? In any case, something not admissible in court.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 05, 2017 04:40 PM (/qEW2)

In a defamation lawsuit?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 05, 2017 04:46 PM (lKyWE)

361 also Paddock's dead body the collar of his shirt has been grabbed very hard.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 05, 2017 04:46 PM (XFue2)

362 Next Wednesday is Queers day on BBC America. They will be showing eight special LGBT vignettes. Be sure to tune in!!

And you thought 'BBC' meant 'British Broadcasting Corporation.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2017 04:47 PM (oVJmc)

363 Hollywood titan Harvey Weinstein has apologized after a bombshell New York Times report that he engaged in sexual harassment and misconduct for decades and reached settlements with eight women. He said he would take a leave from work and devote himself now to battling the NRA and President Trump.

???

How the fuck is the NRA and PDT involved in this? Sick bastard . So glad he is not Jewish....oh wait...never mind

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:47 PM (SjImc)

364 355: Interesting. Wonder who was there?

Posted by: CN at October 05, 2017 04:47 PM (5gaNQ)

365 Next Wednesday is Queers day on BBC America. They will be showing eight special LGBT vignettes. Be sure to tune in!!!

Wait, I'll get my Crocs!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 05, 2017 04:48 PM (Mouru)

366 So is this a fake-out? Or does the NRA fear a new rule less than a new law (which, presumably, could be read to grant other powers of regulation, by unscrupulous progressive bureaucrats (which is to say, almost all of them))?

might be just a /nod to the Trump people AND the NRA members that they are okay with it, dunno

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 05, 2017 04:48 PM (fceHP)

367 361 also Paddock's dead body the collar of his shirt has been grabbed very hard.

***

post suicide rigor mortis is a real mystery at times. snort. We've seen bodies move miles.

Posted by: The Clinton Foundation Wet Work Team at October 05, 2017 04:48 PM (XhN8Z)

368 "On Second Amendment issues, I fear Ivanka more than I fear Pelosi Galore."

Because Trump does everything Ivanka wants him to do with the exception of all of the things that she wants that he hasn't done.

[sarc tag here]
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout at October 05, 2017 04:42 PM (hLRSq)

Yes, because Trump being a lifetime member of the NRA and a conceal carry permit holder, and Don Jr. and Eric being avid gun owners and hunters are completely overruled by Ivanka, whose position on guns is unknown.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:48 PM (gIJ6H)

369 Shibumi and Pepe need to team up and form a Private Detective Agency.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:48 PM (UyKzE)

370 I would think that there is a bigger case for banning pistol braces than "bump stocks".

Posted by: Keyser Sonobi at October 05, 2017 04:48 PM (QQ+il)

371 Hollywood titan Harvey Weinstein has apologized after a bombshell New York Times report that he engaged in sexual harassment and misconduct for decades and reached settlements with eight women. He said he would take a leave from work and devote himself now to battling the NRA and President Trump.

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One of which which Ashley Judd, Ole Puffy herself.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 05, 2017 04:48 PM (8XRCm)

372 348 where is the 13 mark/tattoo on the neck where his Adam's apple is from the original picture to it being gone from the neck of the dead body?

Missed that, what foto?

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at October 05, 2017 04:49 PM (dab45)

373 >>>Remember when Charlottesville was the be all, end all? End of Trump. And all the other stuff. People ready to fight in the streets. Statues toppling.

Shhhhhhh........

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2017 04:49 PM (YRS/H)

374 Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:43 PM (ghofu

True. Bump-stocks do not match the full auto rate of 600-1200 rounds per minute. They fire by reciprocating the entire gun, to make you pull the trigger without concious action.

It is still a shitload faster than you can do it by deliberately moving your trigger finger. In either case, it is a lot faster than you can deliberately aim the gun for follow up shots at the target.

Posted by: rd at October 05, 2017 04:50 PM (4dz1m)

375 Blumenthal has already stated that bump fire stocks are the starting point for gun-banners, not the finish. So this is all academic anyway. But if we are going to have to give something up, something of equal or greater value must be gained. Or no sale.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 05, 2017 03:57 PM (O9qtX)

Take suppressors out of Class III, put bump stocks in. It's net win for nearly all gun-owners. And you can still use the technique of bump-firing without a gadget that specifically enables it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 05, 2017 04:50 PM (O848g)

376 Even before its feud over the national anthem with President Trump, the NFL Players Association wasnt on the same political team as many of its fans, judging from its contributions to leftist advocacy groups.
Tax documents released by 2ndVote show the NFLPA donated $5,000 in 2015 to the Center for Community Change Action, a group active in the anti Trump resistance and bankrolled by a host of liberal foundations, including top Democratic donor George Soross Foundation for Open Society.
A member of the AFL-CIO, the NFLPA also contributed in 2013 and 2015 to Working America, the AFL-CIOs community affiliate, which Open Secrets said spent $1 million in 2016 to defeat Mr. Trump.

So not only left wing and anti-american, but also pretty damn cheap. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2017 04:50 PM (SjImc)

377 the type of gunner runner he is theorized to be is called a armadillo. basically a weekly gig for a steady stream to live a pretty thrilling lifestyle that he seemed to enjoy.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 05, 2017 04:50 PM (XFue2)

378 369. 'ShiPepe,' or 'Wibumi'?

It'd be fun, either way.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 05, 2017 04:50 PM (fA1SL)

379 Hollywood titan Harvey Weinstein has apologized after a bombshell New York Times report that he engaged in sexual harassment and misconduct for decades and reached settlements with eight women. He said he would take a leave from work and devote himself now to battling the NRA and President Trump.

He's been sexually harassing women for years but now he's going to fight Trump and the NRA so all is forgiven

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2017 04:50 PM (493sH)

380 Supposed to say NUDE I was told.

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at October 05, 2017 04:50 PM (48QDY)

381 Yes, because Trump being a lifetime member of the NRA and a conceal carry permit holder, and Don Jr. and Eric being avid gun owners and hunters are completely overruled by Ivanka, whose position on guns is unknown.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:48 PM (gIJ6H)

The People of Panic are not swayed by your facts and reasoning Jen who is not a copy of a Jen!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout at October 05, 2017 04:50 PM (hLRSq)

382 " Harvey Weinstein is going to sue the NY Slimes over their defamatory story about him. Libturd vs libturds."

It's like the Iran-Iraq War. Henry Kissinger (I think) said "It's too bad they can't both lose."

Posted by: Lena Dunham's Ex-Dog at October 05, 2017 04:51 PM (gBM15)

383 Bump cannon to the right of them!
Bump cannon to the left of them!
Bump cannon in front of them!

Posted by: Alfred Sombodyorother at October 05, 2017 04:51 PM (MvnyR)

384 Thought strait away he should have taken the flying lead out the window he broke out

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:52 PM (ghofu)

385 "Concert was used to cover-up High level assassination of Janet Airlines officials.

So everyone knows who Janet Airlines is right? Used to shuttle people from LV to Area 51.

Why was the second window angle pointed towards the airport near the Janet Airlines terminal parking lot?

Why in the leaked photos was the high powered rifle spotted at this window?"

NOTE: he also supposedly shot at the jet fuel storage tanks.
Posted by: shibumi at October 05, 2017 04:45 PM (aT+Bx)

So your saying Jack Reacher: One Shot scenario?

Posted by: WisRich at October 05, 2017 04:52 PM (G0vdT)

386 >>>But... never forget.... Heller was a 5-4 split.

I'm sure constitutional law, as a subject is a complicated thing to be understood correctly... but, at the end all that's necessary is a binary vote. Yes/No.

Does one need to be anything more than a retarded ape (yes, Sodomizer, I'm thinking of you) to make a binary vote? The animal just has to flip the switch that she's been conditioned to flip.

We've got to reform the process about how we let federal judges fester the way they do.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 05, 2017 04:55 PM (/qEW2)

387 >>Why was the second window angle pointed towards the airport near the Janet Airlines terminal parking lot?

Because the Mandalay Bay is owned by Martians...

and everybody knows that the Martians have always been at war with The Greys.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2017 04:55 PM (UyKzE)

388 Ok guess I'll go upstairs to the Lt Bolshavik conversation

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:55 PM (ghofu)

389 Did he fire from both windows and ever go back to the first after the second?

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2017 04:56 PM (ghofu)

390 349 I'ive seen cattle shot in the forehead at close range prior to butchering and they don't have brains flying around everywhere. My guess is the coroner will say he died of a self inflicted gunshot wound, maybe he can determine if it was deliberate.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:41 PM (gIJ6H)

Was responding to the "blew his brains out / back of his head off" verbiage
Posted by: random lurker commenter at October 05, 2017 04:44 PM (dab45)

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Spend a few months at a medical examiner's morgue. It's not the bullets that blow brains out in suicides (most people hold the gun directly against the area they choose for the deed). It's the high-pressure gases immediately following the bullet that expand and explode the head.

Posted by: Soona at October 05, 2017 04:59 PM (ZAAkQ)

391 Spend a few months at a medical examiner's morgue. It's not the bullets that blow brains out in suicides (most people hold the gun directly against the area they choose for the deed). It's the high-pressure gases immediately following the bullet that expand and explode the head.

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another classic rookie mistake. For most suicides, we like to hold the gun about 3-5 feet away from the head.

Posted by: The Clinton Foundation Wet Work Team at October 05, 2017 05:00 PM (XhN8Z)

392
nood

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 05, 2017 05:01 PM (yxTdI)

393 But... never forget.... Heller was a 5-4 split.

Sadly, you have to accept that there are 4 of 9 justices who will vote their party and ideology over the constitution and the country. You know on any given issue which way they will vote.

Posted by: Keyser Sonobi at October 05, 2017 05:01 PM (QQ+il)

394 Yep, Ashley Judd was one of the actresses in the roundtable discussion I referenced in the other thread. So the pieces are falling into place.

This was before she dissembled in front of our eyes at the women's march. That was awful.

So Harvey admits the behavior but is still suing the NYT. Huh. Guess he wants to get some revenge by draining their coffers. See NYT, it may have been cheaper to keep your fact checkers.

Posted by: Gumdrop Goriila needs to get going at October 05, 2017 05:02 PM (s8v1a)

395

So the 2015 NSA data hacking by Russia was done by a contractor bringing the files HOME to his computer to work on it, where Kaspersky was loaded and used to hack the data.

such incompetence

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 05, 2017 05:04 PM (fceHP)

396 There, that PROVES he's a Democrat!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2017 04:36 PM (oVJmc)

Thread winnah?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 05, 2017 05:12 PM (O848g)

397 @162

What public pressure?

Are Republican voters burning up the congressional lines for these pukes to ban them?

No the only people clamoring for something to be done are Donks in Congress their appartchicks in the media and their sockpuppets on late night television.

The maxim we should adhere to is Obama's Maxim to Boehner when Boehner asked him for something in return...

Obama: You get nothing!

Posted by: Kreplach at October 05, 2017 05:13 PM (2JcMg)

398 "Yes, because Trump being a lifetime member of the NRA and a conceal carry permit holder, and Don Jr. and Eric being avid gun owners and hunters are completely overruled by Ivanka, whose position on guns is unknown.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2017 04:48 PM (gIJ6H)"

Ivanka? Sheesh, Mattis clearly established that October was McMaster's month to use the Trump remote control. What an amateur hour operation. No wonder Tillerson wanted to quit.

Posted by: GalosGann at October 05, 2017 05:13 PM (md1b/)

399 Bump stocks do not allow semi-automatic weapons to function as fully automatic weapons. The NRA is dead wrong to issue this statement (and betray their membership).

Posted by: redbanzai at October 05, 2017 05:21 PM (f5uaD)

400 Bump stocks do not allow semi-automatic weapons to function as fully automatic weapons. The NRA is dead wrong to issue this statement (and betray their membership).

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Maybe not the same fire rate but who are you kidding?

Go to youtube and watch. That being said I saw a guy fire a semi auto carbine in just a millisecond less time than a guy did with a bump stock which was around a second and a halfish.

Posted by: Drider at October 05, 2017 06:11 PM (HdKKm)

401 399 Bump stocks do not allow semi-automatic weapons to function as fully automatic weapons. The NRA is dead wrong to issue this statement (and betray their membership).
Posted by: redbanzai at October 05, 2017 05:21 PM (f5uaD)

I disagree. I view automatic weapons as 'pull the trigger in and hold it until the magazine empties.' I bumpstock allows exactly that behavior.

It may not violate the letter of the law, but it sure does skirt into a dark gray are of the spirit of the law.

I've seen these things for several years now and always wondered how they were not NFA'd. I figured someday some asshole would use them in a spree shooting and the backlash would be predictable.

If bumpstocks aren't NFA'd then full autos shouldn't be either. I have no problem with making bumpstocks NFA items, but I want something in return - like national CC reciprocity or silencers dropped from the NFA list.

Posted by: blindside1973 at October 05, 2017 06:35 PM (0z/gq)

402 24 Well if Automatic weapons are firmly regulated, And what little I know about bump stocks. It might be better to self police than let someone else police you.
Posted by: Picric at October 05, 2017 03:47 PM (uvAuw)

This. Just because we can get around the law doesn't mean we should.

Posted by: blindside1973 at October 05, 2017 06:39 PM (0z/gq)

403 From what I read of the ATF ruling at ammoland, it still takes both hands to apply pressure to the weapon.

I don't really see how this would have made much difference. This seems more about the need of politicians to think they can pass a meaningful law. They don't believe in evil anymore--except for Trump.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 05, 2017 07:36 PM (Ndje9)

404 they want us to shut up about global warming because we aren't climatologists, but want to lecture us about bumpstocks, despite not being gunsmiths.

I am so fucking stealing that. Thanks.

Posted by: Semper Why at October 05, 2017 07:45 PM (WjuiC)

405 Favorite song of every "conservative"organization ever:

We've played the game of "stay away"
But it costs more than I can pay
Without you, I can't make my way
I surrender, dear

I may seem proud, and I may act gay
That's just a pose, I'm not that way
'Cause deep down in my heart I say
I surrender, dear.

Those little mean things we were doing
Must have been part of the game
Lending a spice to the wooing
Oh, but I don't care who's to blame

When stars appear and shadows fall
Then you'll hear my poor heart call
To you, my love, my life, my all
I surrender, dear

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 05, 2017 08:16 PM (rznWS)

406 LaPierre needs to get his testosterone level checked.

Posted by: w at October 06, 2017 12:07 PM (vhrlk)

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