Another Day, Another NY Times Piece Extolling the Virtues of Communism.


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May Day, New York City, 1935

Yesterday, May 1st, was International "Hug A Commie" Day.

It's depressing to see the NY Times get all weepy-eyed and nostalgic for for commie thugs and murderers:

It is perhaps hard to understand now, but at that time, in this place, the Marxist vision of world solidarity as translated by the Communist Party induced in the most ordinary of men and women a sense of one’s own humanity that ran deep, made life feel large; large and clarified.

I mean, aside from the ruined economies, the mass murdering, the labor camps, the manufactured famines! We didn't know! Comrades! Who's with me?

It was to this clarity of inner being that so many became not only attached, but addicted. No reward of life, no love nor fame nor wealth, could compete with the experience. It was this all-in-allness of world and self that, all too often, made of the Communists true believers who could not face up to the police state corruption at the heart of their faith, even when a 3-year-old could see that it was eating itself alive.

It was all a lie. But such a beautiful lie.

This article could have been written by a dirty hippie reminiscing about Woodstock.

But it was part of the NY Times "Red Century" series of articles. I'm not making this up, they actually called it 'Red Century.'

I wonder why they never run articles about old Nazis getting together to reminisce about the good old days and sing the Horst Wessel song and such?


This seems appropriate:

Posted by: OregonMuse at 11:24 AM




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1 gold

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:23 AM (FZYNt)

2 Better dead than Red

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:23 AM (FZYNt)

3 anyone home?

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:24 AM (FZYNt)

4 Commies killed everyone?

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (FZYNt)

5 top 5

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (FZYNt)

6 The Time Machine appears to be totally working.

Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (iv4pJ)

7 Give them time. They will come.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (KbfL/)

8 Insanity is trying the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. To Communists, they call this "Tuesday."

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (KUaJL)

9 Lol, "communist true believers could not face up the corrupt police state"
There was only one party and it was wholly corrupt.

Who writes crap like this.

Posted by: Penfold at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (Fbt5B)

10 This October should be a doozy.

Posted by: josephistan at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (7HtZB)

11 clarity of inner being

That sounds like a religious invocation. It's sickening.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at May 02, 2017 11:26 AM (RD7QR)

12 The Time Machine appears to be totally working.
Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (iv4pJ)


Heh. Thanks, fixed.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 11:26 AM (KbfL/)

13 "When Communism Inspired Americans"

Dude, it was only like 2 years ago that you asshats were gushing over Venezuela.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 02, 2017 11:26 AM (KUaJL)

14 Answer: Communism
Question: What was the leading cause of death in the 20th Century?

Posted by: OCBill at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (df+Zi)

15 it's all good until they start rounding up dissenters and killing them.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl... at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (0O7c5)

16 "Kill a Commie for Mommy" - Johnny Ramone

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (ul9CR)

17 Hitler is reviled (rightly) and held up as THE villain of the 20th century.Stalin?Not so much.You see gamer tags onXbox with Stalin in them.Anything with Hitler would be instantly banned.

Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (r/0kC)

18 6 The Time Machine appears to be totally working.
Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (iv4pJ)



First thing I noticed - apparently, OM got up to 88 mph.

Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (xgKhT)

19 But those weren't "true Communist" societies!

Once we have true communism/socialism, everything will be peachy keen!

Posted by: Every Progressive Everywhere at May 02, 2017 11:28 AM (1JnAL)

20 I must say I do enjoy videos of the old NVA parades.

(NVA=National Peoples Army - East Germany)

Posted by: RioBravo at May 02, 2017 11:28 AM (SsblQ)

21 Every day I envy my father. He got *paid* to kill commies.
He was pretty good at it, until that one day.

Posted by: navybrat at May 02, 2017 11:28 AM (w7KSn)

22 Egad, the writing.

Bill Safire spins in his grave.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 11:28 AM (Pz4pT)

23 Hey, if anyone needs something stuck in their head, just remember that Blake's The Tyger matches up perfectly with Cult of Personality!

You're welcome.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 02, 2017 11:28 AM (8nWyX)

24 I've posted about Hayek and his book Road to Serfdom here before. I thought it worth raising again in the context of planned economies.

Hayek had a simple argument in his Road to Serfdom: in addition to being inherently coercive, central planning is sub-optimal because it's not as good as free market pricing at processing information in order to make informed decisions. Even when bureaucrats are smart and well-intentioned, they don't always have all the information they need. If they do have sufficient information, they get overwhelmed by it. Free market pricing wins every time, with the exception of the occasional grand military-oriented project.

An extension of this idea is that bureaucrats don't like change and won't admit to making mistakes. Compare the private sector: even monopolistic companies that don't change and won't admit to making mistakes will eventually fail.

Reagan, a closet intellectual, was a big fan of Hayek. If you believed Hayek, you'd have understood the Soviet Union's vulnerability.

If you understood Hayek, you'd have known that ObamaCare was doomed to fail.

The book itself is a bit of a slog because of Hayek's acaemic style. You can find a Reader's Digest summary version online, which I recommend. This summary version was read by millions back in 1945, when we had far fewer people getting higher education

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (SIY7D)

25 They just didn't stack the bones of the enemies of the people high enough. Maybe next time.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (TwwWO)

26 Its in the opinion section but still, who would even consider running this but a leftist rag that ran a series of articles praising communism even as it starved millions to death?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (39g3+)

27 I wonder why they never run articles about old Nazis getting together to reminisce about the good old days and sing the Horst Wessel song and such?

I thought this was pretty good:

Why Isn't Communism as Hated as Nazism?
Dennis at PragerU
https://youtu.be/nUGkKKAogDs

Posted by: mindful webworker - party of one at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (gB+8C)

28 Who writes crap like this.
Posted by: Penfold at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (Fbt5B)


The same fools and useful idiots who wrote oozing paeans of love to Fidel Castro when he died, and never mind those ungrateful Cubanos in Miami who partied for 3 days straight.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (KbfL/)

29 Speaking of commies, the NFL is eliminating PPK.
Because "competition".

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (QM5S2)

30 It was to this clarity of inner being that so many became not only
attached, but addicted. No reward of life, no love nor fame nor wealth,
could compete with the experience.
========================


No reward. No love. No wealth. No family loyalty. No freedom. No prosperity. No food. No God.


Who wouldn't want that?? Sounds like paradise to me. Especially the Inner Self part. Lord knows, we need more Inner Self.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (lwiT4)

31 The NYT has been commie since the 30s.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (mpXpK)

32 I expect some bright boy in the Times or the National Laughingstock to pen a piece arguing that capitalism has killed more people than Communism.

Posted by: josephistan at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (7HtZB)

33 7 Give them time. They will come.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (KbfL/)



If you build a new thread, the corgis will come...

Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (xgKhT)

34 The thing is it's a 100 times better to be a peasant / poor under a Capitalist regime than a Communist regime. Unfortunately it takes first hand knowledge before people realize it.

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 11:30 AM (BNXbq)

35 Hitler is reviled (rightly) and held up as THE villain of the 20th century.Stalin?Not so much.You see gamer tags onXbox with Stalin in them.Anything with Hitler would be instantly banned.
Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (r/0kC)


I think Chairman Mao gets a pass because he wasn't white.

I ain't joking.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 11:30 AM (Pz4pT)

36 If they'd dress a little better they'd get more support....they're just so drab.

Posted by: BignJames at May 02, 2017 11:31 AM (x9c8r)

37 29 Speaking of commies, the NFL is eliminating PPK.
Because "competition".
Posted by: Roland THTG at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (QM5S2)

Not really sure how football can stop handguns from being made.

Posted by: josephistan at May 02, 2017 11:31 AM (7HtZB)

38 35 Him too,but there is open hero worship of Stalin(especially from some young Russians)

Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2017 11:31 AM (r/0kC)

39 Trump was mean to the New York Times at Harrisburg...

So just as an example of the media take the totally failing New York Times. Pretty soon they'll only be on the Internet. The paper is getting smaller and smaller. You ever notice? It's starting to look like a comic book it's getting so small.

But I will tell you because I watched and I used to be in the real estate business.They sold their beautiful New York Times building in Manhattan - a cathedral to journalism, such a beautiful, beautiful building, for around $130 million. And the group that bought it later sold it for approximately $500 million. And now they live in a very ugly office building in a crummy location.

Next they buy the Boston Globe newspaper with losses for $1.3 billion, invest millions and millions and millions of dollars to get it going and in the end they sell it for $0.They give it away.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 02, 2017 11:31 AM (HTdUD)

40 Mama we're all commie now
Mama we're all commie now
Let's go

Posted by: Quiet Riot at May 02, 2017 11:32 AM (DpOmP)

41 People in Sweden were marching with flags of North Korea yesterday. May Day "Solidarity".


Yeah, who wouldn't want to live in North Korea, eh?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:32 AM (lwiT4)

42 The NYT has always carefully rejected any political or social philosophy that accepts the primacy of the individual; and of course religion, which one can argue is the basis for the concept of the individual is also violently discarded.

They are a vile group of people. They revel in the destruction of the West and the glories that it has brought to Man.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2017 11:32 AM (FyX1G)

43 The only thing that makes Nazis worse than Communists is that they did their job quicker. They murdered fewer people, but killed in a shorter time period.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:32 AM (39g3+)

44 Better dead if not red

Posted by: Walter Duranty at May 02, 2017 11:32 AM (DpOmP)

45 Last night I watched the doc series Apocalypse: Stalin . I posted at that time it was a coin flip who was more evil , Hitler or Stalin but I'd have to give a very slight edge to Stalin.

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 11:33 AM (BNXbq)

46 I love how the NY upper class dreams they could have controlled a Communist revolution; when in reality some Teamster or union iron worker would have purged their ass with a screwdriver week two.

Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2017 11:33 AM (zZb/S)

47 Not really sure how football can stop handguns from being made.

Posted by: josephistan at May 02, 2017 11:31 AM (7HtZB)

Speaking of commies, the NFL is eliminating PP(ampersand goes here)K.

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 02, 2017 11:33 AM (QM5S2)

48 Trump was mean to the New York Times at Harrisburg... (cont.)

And then they write nasty editorials and op-eds telling me how I should be handling world events and our country. No.

But that's what we have - they're incompetent, dishonest people who after the election had to apologize because they covered it, us, me, all of us ' they covered it so badly that they felt they were forced to apologize because their predictions were so bad. Do you remember their predictions? They lost a lot of people because of the way they covered.

So here's the story, if the media's job is to be honest and tell the truth, then I think we would all agree the media deserves a very, very big fat failing grade. Very dishonest people.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 02, 2017 11:33 AM (HTdUD)

49 24 I've posted about Hayek and his book Road to Serfdom here before. I thought it worth raising again in the context of planned economies.

Hayek had a simple argument in his Road to Serfdom: in addition to being inherently coercive, central planning is sub-optimal because it's not as good as free market pricing at processing information in order to make informed decisions. Even when bureaucrats are smart and well-intentioned, they don't always have all the information they need. If they do have sufficient information, they get overwhelmed by it. Free market pricing wins every time, with the exception of the occasional grand military-oriented project.

An extension of this idea is that bureaucrats don't like change and won't admit to making mistakes. Compare the private sector: even monopolistic companies that don't change and won't admit to making mistakes will eventually fail.

Reagan, a closet intellectual, was a big fan of Hayek. If you believed Hayek, you'd have understood the Soviet Union's vulnerability.

If you understood Hayek, you'd have known that ObamaCare was doomed to fail.

The book itself is a bit of a slog because of Hayek's acaemic style. You can find a Reader's Digest summary version online, which I recommend. This summary version was read by millions back in 1945, when we had far fewer people getting higher education
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (SIY7D)

==============

"I can't imagine anything more racist. Of course people can know everything and are flawless. That's why we should give all power to the government. Why yes, I do believe that Donald Trump is going to put all gays in camps, why do you ask?"
-Very smart college student who's waiting for her final exam grades, knowing that he constant writing of #WhitePrivilege all over her blue books ensure her straight A's

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:33 AM (BjrOM)

50 Him too,but there is open hero worship of Stalin(especially from some young Russians)
Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2017 11:31 AM (r/0kC)


I guess that makes sense, really. In Russia, I have no idea what the younger generations know, and don't know.

They love their western culture these days, obviously, but otherwise, do they get taught ANYTHING about their own history?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 11:34 AM (Pz4pT)

51 I think they believe that due to the law of averages, communism must be due for success.

Sad that they don't see the built in failure of the system.

BTW, Marx called for the dictatorship of the proletariat, not the dictatorship by the proletariat. Big difference.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 02, 2017 11:34 AM (7ZVPa)

52 wonder why they never run articles about old Nazis getting together to reminisce about the good old days and sing the Horst Wessel song"

Had that dude not invaded the Soviet Union, they would've been.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at May 02, 2017 11:34 AM (MINbv)

53 Commies. Can't live with them (because they throw you in death camps), can't live without them (because they throw their own into said death camps and THEY STILL BELIEVE!)

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at May 02, 2017 11:34 AM (e1mEI)

54 43 The only thing that makes Nazis worse than Communists is that they did their job quicker. They murdered fewer people, but killed in a shorter time period.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:32 AM (39g3+)

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Wrong. They double crossed Stalin.

Nothing else matters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:35 AM (BjrOM)

55 The paper is getting smaller and smaller. You ever notice? It's starting to look like a comic book it's getting so small.

I noticed that about our local newspaper, its itty. Its not just thin, the dimensions are about 60% what they used to be. Its ridiculous, I don't know why they even keep printing.

The local newspaper built a brand new huge building with presses in it in about 2000 at the last height of newspaper circulation and popularity. Now its closed, empty. The paper is printed in Portland, and is mostly USA Today content. I don't even think they have any reporters any longer.

The Oregonian, Portland's news paper, doesn't even run the website that their content is on, its a separate entity.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:35 AM (39g3+)

56 The Soviets were an ally against the Nazis so they got that cover.During the war there was plenty of pr soviet propaganda(not least because of numerous commie agents of influence in our own government)

Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2017 11:35 AM (r/0kC)

57 They are getting nostalgic about communism??

Posted by: IC at May 02, 2017 11:35 AM (a0IVu)

58 Communism is a fine system, except they forgot about the greed molecule.
It shows up in everyone's DNA and makes a bollox of everything.

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 02, 2017 11:36 AM (QM5S2)

59 (NVA=National Peoples Army - East Germany)

Posted by: RioBravo at May 02, 2017 11:28 AM (SsblQ)

They could "goose step" even the Nazi lead parades...Of course the fat boys army is the champion "goose steppers now". The Chinese and Russians and some South American Armies still are pretty good....Nothing like the old "Goose Step" to wake up the crowd.....

Posted by: Colin at May 02, 2017 11:36 AM (1O7AR)

60 50. Stalin - the Russians know their history, of course. I knew a lot of older refugees from the USSR - Red Army vets of the GPW - who hated Stalin, but (to a man) admired him.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 11:36 AM (TwwWO)

61 57 They are getting nostalgic about communism??
Posted by: IC at May 02, 2017 11:35 AM (a0IVu)

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I hear that North Korea is always opening its doors to Americans who want in.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:36 AM (BjrOM)

62 yeah it is a big cult of sorts. In a cult it is best to be one of those that gets to spend the money and control the power, not the other 95%.

The Islam cult has power to kill those that leave ... another trait that makes "cults" stronger and more totalitarian. Scientology threatens those that might leave perhaps, but not sure they murder.

Power and liberty don't mix well, and leftist lies and propaganda are the 'emulsifier' that hold them together (for the left, Islam, communism, etc).

Christianity (in its pure form) gives full choice to the individual, and the US Constitution gives full power to the individual ... or at least recognizes certain liberties as God-given to the individual and beyond the reach of government.

But now we are to the point of actually debating whether "irredeemable deplorables" really have those rights, since the commiesare asserting their influence as the populist liberty people revolt.

viva la counter-revolucion.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 02, 2017 11:36 AM (TmCOq)

63 58 Communism is a fine system, except they forgot about the greed molecule.
It shows up in everyone's DNA and makes a bollox of everything.
Posted by: Roland THTG at May 02, 2017 11:36 AM (QM5S2)

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Also individualism.

There's that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:37 AM (BjrOM)

64 I read "Court of the Red Tsar" not too long ago, and it chilled me to the bone. Just who the f*ck would idolize Josef Stalin? He was a monster who surrounded himself with worse monsters. Jeebus.

Posted by: Pug Mahon of the Clan Deplorable at May 02, 2017 11:37 AM (RwwCT)

65
Wrong. They double crossed Stalin.


And they are recognized as racist. Sure, Mao and Stalin were both hugely racist, but they weren't as blatant about it and the left can get away with pretending they were not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:37 AM (39g3+)

66 Now that we have a bit of critical mass it's time for the right to turn May 1 into the rememberence of the victims of communism

Posted by: Former mass resident at May 02, 2017 11:37 AM (3FOeT)

67 I posted at that time it was a coin flip who was more evil , Hitler or Stalin but I'd have to give a very slight edge to Stalin.

Posted by: Jack Sock

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Hitler killed 20+ million, about half of those his own people. Stalin killed over 60 million, about two thirds of them his own people. Mao killed somewhere around 90 million people, almost all of them his own people.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 02, 2017 11:38 AM (7ZVPa)

68 >>>Hitler is reviled (rightly) and held up as THE villain of the 20th century.Stalin?Not so much.You see gamer tags onXbox with Stalin in them.Anything with Hitler would be instantly banned.

Stalin did have a boss mustache.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 02, 2017 11:38 AM (sgMYt)

69 65
Wrong. They double crossed Stalin.


And they are recognized as racist. Sure, Mao and Stalin were both hugely racist, but they weren't as blatant about it and the left can get away with pretending they were not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:37 AM (39g3+)


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"We were celebrated by Mother Russia under Stalin!"
-Dead Mongols

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:39 AM (BjrOM)

70 She's too clueless to even realize that all that's she's admiring is the emotional glow that comes from being a true fundy in an all encompassing secular religion.

That is WHY people get hooked into cults, you idiot. The cult gives them a reason for living, and makes them feel much bigger than themselves. (the less self-identity a person has, the more susceptible they are to getting subsumed by the Cult)

Marxism/Communism was one of the more unusual cults, in that it did away with God, substituted Man in his place, and promised Heaven Right Here, Right Now.

It's really not that hard to see why it failed in little more than one generation. It's only real legacy is that it created a blueprint and a script for all future dictators and oppressors to follow. (eg., Chavez, Maduro) As long as people are stupid and pay no attention to history, it'll keep working, until the script reaches its per-ordained ending.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 11:39 AM (KeRkT)

71 11 clarity of inner being

That sounds like a religious invocation. It's sickening.

---

try metamucil

Posted by: Poland at May 02, 2017 11:39 AM (PNcou)

72 There's no Kulak like a dead Kulak

Posted by: Ioseph Stalin at May 02, 2017 11:39 AM (DpOmP)

73 >>>>No reward. No love. No wealth. No family loyalty. No freedom. No prosperity. No food. No God.


Who wouldn't want that?? Sounds like paradise to me. Especially the Inner Self part. Lord knows, we need more Inner Self.


Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (lwiT4)

Hee. Sarcasm appreciated.
If you don't have family, freedom, faith, or love, everything else can be trivialized by people eager to take advantage of you. Inner self is an empty substitute. Explains why so many people are bamboozled by the hard left.

Posted by: Prudie, speaking from experience at May 02, 2017 11:39 AM (al6UK)

74 67
Hitler killed 20+ million, about half of those his own people. Stalin killed over 60 million, about two thirds of them his own people. Mao killed somewhere around 90 million people, almost all of them his own people.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 02, 2017 11:38 AM (7ZVPa)

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"All lies! My gender studies professor told me that those studies were done by Exxon, which makes them untrustworthy!"
-Very smart college student who's waiting for her final exam grades, knowing that he constant writing of #WhitePrivilege all over her blue books ensure her straight A's

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:40 AM (BjrOM)

75 Communists only got their power through murder and intimidation. Lenin allowed a scheduled vote after the October Revolution and was overwhelmingly defeated by the Socialists. That's when he declared his dictatorship and went on a killing spree of his opponents.

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 11:40 AM (BNXbq)

76 I expect some bright boy in the Times or the National Laughingstock to pen a piece arguing that capitalism has killed more people than Communism.
Posted by: josephistan at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (7HtZB)


Incidentally if you type http://www.thenationallaughingstock.com into your browser, it takes you directly to the Washington Post.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 11:41 AM (KbfL/)

77 The most important signaling that Virtual Signaling does is identifying who the useful idiots are

Posted by: Nikita Krushev at May 02, 2017 11:41 AM (DpOmP)

78 14 Answer: Communism
Question: What was the leading cause of death in the 20th Century?
Posted by: OCBill at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (df+Zi)

Answers which are also close, but not correct?

Malaria due to the outlawing of DDT...
Abortions worldwide...


All things embraced and celebrated by the Left...

Posted by: Don Q. at May 02, 2017 11:41 AM (NgKpN)

79 Commie thinking:
"Ants live in a colony, why not humans?"

Posted by: navybrat at May 02, 2017 11:41 AM (w7KSn)

80 The NYT has always carefully rejected any political
or social philosophy that accepts the primacy of the individual; and of
course religion, which one can argue is the basis for the concept of the
individual is also violently discarded.




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2017 11:32 AM (FyX1G)
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This, I believe, is why religious groups are targeted by the Left. If you have no Freedom of Conscience, you basically have no personhood. You may not believe what you want, or say what you want, or think what you want. Erasing freedom of conscience erases what it means to be an individual, to be human. Religion is always one of the first targets of totalitarianism.


The exception seems to be Islam. I believe that's because Islam itself is totalitarian. Fellow travelers.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:42 AM (lwiT4)

81 Posted by: Ignoramus at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (SIY7D)

==============

"I can't imagine anything more racist. Of course people can know everything and are flawless. That's why we should give all power to the government. Why yes, I do believe that Donald Trump is going to put all gays in camps, why do you ask?"
-Very smart college student who's waiting for her final exam grades, knowing that he constant writing of #WhitePrivilege all over her blue books ensure her straight A's
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:33 AM (BjrOM)


Which is a fine point at which to point out the traditional understanding of the advantage of Western military dogma (esp. British and American) was the fact that commanders (and NCOs) on the ground were not only encouraged but expected to MAKE decisions based on what they saw in front of them. Not just let some General in the rear make decisions for them, based on limited knowledge, limited understanding of real time facts.

And now, here we are. We have the perfect meddling of the higher ups, including politicians, who are turning our military into a Social Justice experiment, while at the same time forcing every field commander to question every decision they make on the ground, on the basis of whether it meets some artificial standard of conduct, imposed by a distant and "all-knowing" leadership.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 11:42 AM (Pz4pT)

82 By the way, we'd thank you all for these cushy, well-paid gigs in your universities, but we're, you know, Commies.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 02, 2017 11:43 AM (1Boes)

83 I can't see any excuse for Bolshevik nostalgia.
It's not just fake news it's bolshevik.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 02, 2017 11:43 AM (nBr1j)

84 74, Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:40 AM (BjrOM)

"When Rex Tillerson was at the helm of Exxon, he made global warming the worstest ever and killed more people than Stalin, Hilter and Mao combined" - rants and musings of SJW and their Sierra Club friends.


Posted by: IC at May 02, 2017 11:43 AM (a0IVu)

85 Watch 1984 on YouTube....still worth a watch after all these years.

Posted by: Colin at May 02, 2017 11:43 AM (1O7AR)

86 It is perhaps hard to understand now, but at that time, in this place, the Marxist vision of world solidarity as translated by the Communist Party induced in the most ordinary of men and women a sense of one's own humanity that ran deep, made life feel large; large and clarified.
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And they WERE WRONG!! Move on!

Marx's "philosophy" is incoherent as humanism or materialism. So that it aims to restore "man's dignity" is beside the point. You can make me a car that falls apart when I put my key in the door--what it was INTENDED to do--plays no role in it.

---
a sense of one's own humanity that ran deep, made life feel large; large and clarified.
---
Snake. oil.

Posted by: Axeman at May 02, 2017 11:44 AM (2mC6G)

87 Definition of equality under Communism:

Equal misery for all.

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 11:44 AM (BNXbq)

88 Also individualism.

There's that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:37 AM (BjrOM0


And honor. And integrity. And tradition. And history. And purity, and sacredness, and all the fucked up crazy stuff that everyone has to care about, that makes no necessary sense, and we SHOULD be able to away with if we were only ticky tocky meatbots driven by pleasure and pain. You don't have to believe in God or the Devil to know that its a stupid, evil mind that reduces everyone to that.

Its all shit. And yes, they SHOULD have known better.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 02, 2017 11:44 AM (CPk08)

89 80 The NYT has always carefully rejected any political
or social philosophy that accepts the primacy of the individual; and of
course religion, which one can argue is the basis for the concept of the
individual is also violently discarded.




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2017 11:32 AM (FyX1G)
==========================

This, I believe, is why religious groups are targeted by the Left. If you have no Freedom of Conscience, you basically have no personhood. You may not believe what you want, or say what you want, or think what you want. Erasing freedom of conscience erases what it means to be an individual, to be human. Religion is always one of the first targets of totalitarianism.


The exception seems to be Islam. I believe that's because Islam itself is totalitarian. Fellow travelers.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:42 AM (lwiT4)

When do get parades with dunce caps, show trials and re-education?

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 02, 2017 11:44 AM (nBr1j)

90 Better dead than Red

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:23 AM (FZYNt)

Gonna make a tshirt with that saying, only cross out "Red" and put in "Democrat."

Posted by: Country Boy at May 02, 2017 11:45 AM (Jcg9Q)

91 Nazism "versus" Communism?

There are 2 kinds of Socialism: National and International.

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, officially styled moron at May 02, 2017 11:45 AM (9MlEz)

92 It is perhaps hard to understand now, but at that time, in this place, the Marxist vision of world solidarity as translated by the Communist Party induced in the most ordinary of men and women a sense of one's own humanity that ran deep, made life feel large; large and clarified.


Perhaps??

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 11:46 AM (SRKgf)

93 Who would call nazis right-wing if not for communism?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 02, 2017 11:46 AM (VdICR)

94 I love how the NY upper class dreams they could have controlled a Communist revolution; when in reality some Teamster or union iron worker would have purged their ass with a screwdriver week two.
Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2017 11:33 AM (zZb/S)


Heh. Despite what those upper class twits might believe, any union thug would tell them that the crowbar is mightier than the pen.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 11:46 AM (KbfL/)

95 It is perhaps hard to understand now, but at that time, in this place, the Marxist vision of world solidarity as translated by the Communist Party induced in the most ordinary of men and women a sense of one's own humanity that ran deep, made life feel large; large and clarified.




Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 11:46 AM (493sH)

96 When do we get those cool retro mauser bolo pistols?

Posted by: antifa bolshevik boy at May 02, 2017 11:47 AM (CrzWQ)

97 Posted by: Axeman at May 02, 2017 11:44 AM (2mC6G)

Leftists always judge by intentions. Medicaid for all is great because we really really really want everybody to be able to afford healthcare. Doesn't matter that Medicaid doesn't actually improve health outcomes, we get points for trying!

On the flip side, they view the intentions of conservatives as inherently selfish, racist, or mean-spirited, so any actions that come about because of them must necessarily be badwrong.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 02, 2017 11:47 AM (KUaJL)

98 I have formally renounced the Republican Party. I will NEVER vote for another Republican.

Just puttin' that out there...

Posted by: jbspry at May 02, 2017 11:47 AM (IhKmM)

99 96 When do we get those cool retro mauser bolo pistols?
Posted by: antifa bolshevik boy

don't forget the big furry hats

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:48 AM (FZYNt)

100 Definition of equality under Communism:

Equal misery for all.




Except for those in charge.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2017 11:48 AM (Njtx4)

101 The old story of the tyrant walking through the field chopping off all the stalks that grew taller than any other to create equality is perfect for explaining communism. Everyone is equal, a the cost of ambition, innovation, greatness, individualism, and hope. And above them all, the man with the sword enforcing this vision of life.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:48 AM (39g3+)

102 The Red Guards used to break into the homes of counter revolutionaries and break priceless antiquities and artwork. (See Life and Death in Shanghai by Nien Cheng.)
The SJW scum have started the same process.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 02, 2017 11:48 AM (nBr1j)

103 I think my 9th grade economics teacher was a communist. He was very smart, and always gave me A's, but I think He was a commie. Of course, this was at the U of IL, so no surprise there.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:48 AM (lwiT4)

104 Hitler is reviled (rightly) and held up as THE villain of the 20th century.Stalin?Not so much.You see gamer tags onXbox with Stalin in them.Anything with Hitler would be instantly banned.

Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (r/0kC)



Some mass murders are more equal than others

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 11:48 AM (493sH)

105 86 And they WERE WRONG!! Move on!

Marx's "philosophy" is incoherent as humanism or materialism. So that it aims to restore "man's dignity" is beside the point. You can make me a car that falls apart when I put my key in the door--what it was INTENDED to do--plays no role in it.

---
a sense of one's own humanity that ran deep, made life feel large; large and clarified.
---
Snake. oil.
Posted by: Axeman at May 02, 2017 11:44 AM (2mC6G)

==============

Have you read the Communist Manifesto?

It's all hate, anger, and greed. Then Marx waves his magic hands, and a perfect society appears, populated by automatons.

Anyone who reads that and thinks, "That sounds great!" is a moron.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:49 AM (BjrOM)

106 Communism is not a political system. Just like liberalism and environmentalism, it's a religion.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 02, 2017 11:49 AM (MZcWR)

107 But those weren't "true Communist" societies!



Once we have true communism/socialism, everything will be peachy keen!



Posted by: Every Progressive Everywhere at May 02, 2017 11:28 AM


Go fuck yerselves, sideways, with a flamin', barbed-wire wrapped pineapple!

Posted by: A True Scotsman at May 02, 2017 11:49 AM (p+Wdc)

108 Despite the soaring rhetoric about world solidarity, one's sense of humanity, clarity of inner being, all-in-allness of world and self, etc. these nitwits overlook the obvious: Marx's notions of political economy are hopelessly, risibly flawed.

His whole analysis is based on the labor theory of value, which would be laughable if suggested by a student in an Econ 101 essay.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 11:49 AM (SRKgf)

109 This new guy is a FB friend of Bill Wynn.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (VdICR)

110 78 14 Answer: Communism
Question: What was the leading cause of death in the 20th Century?
Posted by: OCBill at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (df+Zi)
Answers which are also close, but not correct?

Malaria due to the outlawing of DDT...
Abortions worldwide...
All things embraced and celebrated by the L


the progressive has come to bring us death, and that more abundantly.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (KbfL/)

111 50. Stalin - the Russians know their history, of course. I knew a lot of older refugees from the USSR - Red Army vets of the GPW - who hated Stalin, but (to a man) admired him.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 11:36 AM (TwwWO)


I was specifically talking about younger generations.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (Pz4pT)

112 Despite what those upper class twits might believe, any union thug would tell show them that the crowbar is mightier than the pen.



FIFY.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (Njtx4)

113 11 clarity of inner being

That sounds like a religious invocation. It's sickening.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at May 02, 2017 11:26 AM (RD7QR)


One man's dehumanizing, soul crushing oppression is another man's clarity of inner being, evidently.

But yes. Anything you allow to define your identity fills the category of religion.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (yL25O)

114 "This, I believe, is why religious groups are targeted by the Left."

Disagree with you on that. I propose that the Left hates and targets religious groups because, as a hard core Religious group itself, it hate the competition and does everything it can to get rid of it. All new religions hate the old religions they are trying to replace - that's what heresy laws are all about.

"You may not believe what you want, or say what you want, or think what you want."

Reflect that this is true of almost EVERY pre-western enlightenment society in human history. People who did those things - said what they wanted, and thought what they wanted - were either driven out or burned as witches, unless they took great care to keep very quiet about it.

Leftist belief is not really anything new - it is a rejection of Western Enlightenment values and a return to the Status Quo Ante, which is where those who can achieve power say anything they want to keep the plebs under control, and make use of frequent witch hunts and book burnings to make sure everyone gets the message. Message being - "do what you're told and we won't hurt you." And also "your life belongs to the State, not to you, and We are the State."

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (KeRkT)

115 In other words, the Dream of Total Enslavement was tarnished by the reality of total enslavement.

Posted by: jbspry at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (IhKmM)

116 The old story of the tyrant walking through the field chopping off all the stalks that grew taller than any other to create equality is perfect for explaining communism.

--

...and the trees were all made equal, by hatchet, axe, and saw....

Rush, The Trees, 1978

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (7ZVPa)

117 "and promised Heaven Right Here, Right Now." tom servo

well, there was always one more five year plan (or "in the next budget, we pinky-swear promise"), and always one more enemy of "the people" to be destroyed. Just a little more sacrifice, citizen. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 02, 2017 11:51 AM (TmCOq)

118 Have you read the Communist Manifesto?

It's all hate, anger, and greed. Then Marx waves his magic hands, and a perfect society appears, populated by automatons.

Anyone who reads that and thinks, "That sounds great!" is a moron.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:49 AM (BjrOM)



Exactly. Meanwhile, Marx and his playmate Engels write about the oppression and exploitation of workers, while neither one did a lick of work, but sat around with their thumbs up their asses living off of ... workers in Engels's factory.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 11:51 AM (SRKgf)

119
I approved of the NYT article.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at May 02, 2017 11:51 AM (ODxAs)

120 But yes. Anything you allow to define your identity fills the category of religion.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (yL25O)
=========================

A big Yep to that.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:51 AM (lwiT4)

121 103 I think my 9th grade economics teacher was a communist. He was very smart, and always gave me A's, but I think He was a commie. Of course, this was at the U of IL, so no surprise there.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:48 AM (lwiT4)

I had a Yugoslavian professor. I don't know what his political philosophy but there's no way he was a Marxist. Oddly I don't recall any of my professors forcing their beliefs on me.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 02, 2017 11:51 AM (nBr1j)

122 There was a great article at The Federalist yesterday that broke down the 5 main arguments against anti-Communism.

http://tinyurl.com/mvbs8o3

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:52 AM (BjrOM)

123 109 This new guy is a FB friend of Bill Wynn.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (VdICR)

Ah, so an early night, I guess!

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at May 02, 2017 11:52 AM (RD7QR)

124 The exception seems to be Islam. I believe that's because Islam itself is totalitarian. Fellow travelers.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:42 AM (lwiT4)


Fellow Travelers... like the scorpion and the frog

Posted by: Nikita Krushev at May 02, 2017 11:52 AM (DpOmP)

125 24 I've posted about Hayek and his book Road to Serfdom here before. I thought it worth raising again in the context of planned economies.

Hayek had a simple argument in his Road to Serfdom: in addition to being inherently coercive, central planning is sub-optimal because it's not as good as free market pricing at processing information in order to make informed decisions. Even when bureaucrats are smart and well-intentioned, they don't always have all the information they need. If they do have sufficient information, they get overwhelmed by it. Free market pricing wins every time, with the exception of the occasional grand military-oriented project.

An extension of this idea is that bureaucrats don't like change and won't admit to making mistakes. Compare the private sector: even monopolistic companies that don't change and won't admit to making mistakes will eventually fail.

Reagan, a closet intellectual, was a big fan of Hayek. If you believed Hayek, you'd have understood the Soviet Union's vulnerability.

If you understood Hayek, you'd have known that ObamaCare was doomed to fail.

The book itself is a bit of a slog because of Hayek's acaemic style. You can find a Reader's Digest summary version online, which I recommend. This summary version was read by millions back in 1945, when we had far fewer people getting higher education
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 02, 2017 11:29 AM (SIY7D)


Also ignored by bureaucrats, "quality".

A great teacher gets paid the same as a lousy teacher.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 02, 2017 11:52 AM (1JnAL)

126 One man's dehumanizing, soul crushing oppression is another man's clarity of inner being, evidently.

But yes. Anything you allow to define your identity fills the category of religion.
Posted by: TexasDan at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (yL25O)

It all depends on if you are the Commisar, and part of the Party or not...

Posted by: Don Q. at May 02, 2017 11:53 AM (NgKpN)

127 Yeah there's nothing really like that feeling that comes over you when you just helped murder an entire village's people, for the single reason that they work a little harder and have a little more stuff than you do.


Ahhh, good times, good times.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 02, 2017 11:53 AM (lCQM4)

128 The exception seems to be Islam. I believe that's because Islam itself is totalitarian. Fellow travelers.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:42 AM (lwiT4)


It is. It is a self-contained socio-political construct of brutal totalitarianism, disguised as a religion that it is not.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at May 02, 2017 11:53 AM (EjfPg)

129 I expect some bright boy in the Times or the National Laughingstock to pen a piece arguing that capitalism has killed more people than Communism.

Well, Zyklon B was a publicly-sold product, was it not? And were not the camp crematoria built by for-profit companies?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (X6fMO)

130 >>>>But it was part of the NY Times "Red Century" series of articles. I'm not making this up, they actually called it 'Red Century.'
\.
.
.
.
.That's because the rivers ran red with the blood of the victims of a centuries worth of Communism.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (le7jz)

131 Disagree with you on that. I propose that the Left hates and targets
religious groups because, as a hard core Religious group itself, it hate
the competition and does everything it can to get rid of it. All new
religions hate the old religions they are trying to replace - that's
what heresy laws are all about.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (KeRkT)

============================


Yes, I see what you're saying. Perhaps one is dependent on the other.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (lwiT4)

132 "35 Hitler is reviled (rightly) and held up as THE villain of the 20th century.Stalin?Not so much.You see gamer tags onXbox with Stalin in them.Anything with Hitler would be instantly banned.
Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (r/0kC)


I think Chairman Mao gets a pass because he wasn't white.

I ain't joking.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 11:30 AM (Pz4pT)"


Pfffft. Pikers.

Posted by: Pol Pot at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (BT9mr)

133 "41 People in Sweden were marching with flags of North Korea yesterday. May Day "Solidarity".

Yeah, who wouldn't want to live in North Korea, eh?
Posted by: grammie winger"


Vox actually has an article today about what a great economy North Korea has. Seriously. Of course, those morons believe there is a bridge between Gaza and the West Bank.

Posted by: Benji Carver at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (OD2ni)

134 Communism takes more blind faith than any religion.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (oVJmc)

135 It is perhaps hard to understand now, but at that time, in this place, the Marxist vision of world solidarity as translated by the Communist Party induced in the most ordinary of men and women a sense of one's own humanity that ran deep, made life feel large; large and clarified.


I bet the folks in the gulag and the basement of the Lubyanka had a deep-running sense of their own humanity, and had their lives feeling large and clarified.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (SRKgf)

136 a couple of thousand murdered is personal... 20 million... mere statistics

Posted by: Ioseph Stalin at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (DpOmP)

137 "The old story of the tyrant walking through the field chopping off all
the stalks that grew taller than any other to create equality is perfect
for explaining communism. Everyone is equal, a the cost of ambition,
innovation, greatness, individualism, and hope. And above them all, the
man with the sword enforcing this vision of life."

Rush did that one better in "The Trees".

http://tinyurl.com/lyxlh2c

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 11:55 AM (KeRkT)

138
Go fuck yerselves, sideways, with a flamin', barbed-wire wrapped pineapple!
Posted by: A True Scotsman at May 02, 2017 11:49 AM (p+Wdc)


No True Scotsman would insult another man without a good "bile yer head" in there somewhere.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 02, 2017 11:55 AM (yL25O)

139 Have you read the Communist Manifesto?

It's all hate, anger, and greed. Then Marx waves his magic hands, and a perfect society appears, populated by automatons.

Anyone who reads that and thinks, "That sounds great!" is a moron.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 11:49 AM (BjrOM)


I've read the stuff of people who have read it. I certainly am not going to slog through that tripe.

Anyhoo, Marx was a fraud. Not just an anti-Semite, and all around rotten human being, he was lying about his numbers, and lying about the circumstances he was supposedly trying to rectify.

Indeed, the conditions he described in German industry was already being repaired by the time he wrote his garbage. He was basing his theories on information that was already out of date.

And here's the kicker: the REASON German industry had been in such bad shape (for workers) in the time of the data Marx was working from was, get this, because industry itself was brand-flippin'-new!

The owner class has almost entirely clueless about the conditions of their workers, and once they realized it... they fixed it!

So, the fix Marx sought was already unnecessary by the time he wrote it, and the one thing that might be his argument for his theories, that owners didn't care about workers, was already disproven as well. By actual owners who, indeed, cared about their workers.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 11:55 AM (Pz4pT)

140 Imagine if Mel Brooks had made 'The Producers' about Stalin

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 11:55 AM (PNcou)

141 Communism can only work with perfected humanity, sinless, yet it offers no salvation or perfection. It presumes humanity is sinless if only removed from bad influences, which is absurdly childish and without the slightest shred of logic or comprehension of human nature.

Capitalism, for all its flaws and evils, takes advantage of human nature and sin, to benefit the greatest number and largest slice of humanity.

And capitalism's real ills are not nearly as horrendous as those of communism. Being taken advantage of by a cruel business isn't as bad as being starved to death or murdered by communist idealists.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:55 AM (39g3+)

142 135 It is perhaps hard to understand now, but at that time, in this place, the Marxist vision of world solidarity as translated by the Communist Party induced in the most ordinary of men and women a sense of one's own humanity that ran deep, made life feel large; large and clarified.


I bet the folks in the gulag and the basement of the Lubyanka had a deep-running sense of their own humanity, and had their lives feeling large and clarified.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (SRKgf)

Well, large and deep-running wounds, anyway.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at May 02, 2017 11:56 AM (RD7QR)

143 Also ignored by bureaucrats, "quality".

A great teacher gets paid the same as a lousy teacher.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 02, 2017 11:52 AM (1JnAL)

"Well duh. Xhe was probably disadvantaged and a victim of systemic oppression anyway. It would be unfair to Xer if xhe isn't paid as much as the great teacher, and contribute to the cycle of violence by the Patriarcy against xer." -College student trying to get in the pants of the feminist chick with pink hair and a nose ring in his gender studies class

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 02, 2017 11:56 AM (KUaJL)

144 That's a pretty good song (and video). Beats the fuck out of rap.

The NYT stuff, not so much. I'm thinking they should move their HQ down to Cuba, to show their oneness and wokeville status wit teh Cause.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 02, 2017 11:57 AM (wTwJ2)

145 Vox actually has an article today about what a great
economy North Korea has. Seriously. Of course, those morons believe
there is a bridge between Gaza and the West Bank.

Posted by: Benji Carver at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (OD2ni)
===========================

Maybe they prefer grass-fed people to grass-fed beef.



Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:57 AM (lwiT4)

146
Rush did that one better in "The Trees".

http://tinyurl.com/lyxlh2c
Posted by: Tom Servo

Greatest Canadian export ever

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:57 AM (FZYNt)

147 A question for the hoard : with all that extra spending in the budget, and keeping funding for Planned Parenthood... do you think my democrat wife will be willing to peg me tonight???

Posted by: Paul Ryan at May 02, 2017 11:57 AM (DpOmP)

148 And they are recognized as racist. Sure, Mao and Stalin were both hugely racist, but they weren't as blatant about it and the left can get away with pretending they were not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:37 AM (39g3+)



Che: Anyone want to buy one of my t-shirts?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 11:57 AM (493sH)

149 Next they buy the Boston Globe newspaper with losses for $1.3 billion,
invest millions and millions and millions of dollars to get it going and
in the end they sell it for $0.They give it away.
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Mexican Billionaires Hardest Hit

Posted by: andycanuck at May 02, 2017 11:58 AM (nlbfN)

150 The exception seems to be Islam. I believe that's because Islam itself is totalitarian. Fellow travelers.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:42 AM (lwiT4)


Also, the Islamists, no dummies they, have realized how much the Western intelligentsia hate their own cultures, so they learned how to play the "have pity on us, we're poor brown people" card. Which had paid off bigly for them, I must admit.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 11:58 AM (KbfL/)

151 This article is right in a sense though; communism does give us a good feel for human nature and humanity's sin. This is what happens when you utterly reject God. This is what you get. The common thread between all the horrific dictators in the 20th century and all their evil was.... atheism.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:58 AM (39g3+)

152 Vox actually has an article today about what a great
economy North Korea has. Seriously. Of course, those morons believe
there is a bridge between Gaza and the West Bank.

Posted by: Benji Carver at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (OD2ni)

They're carbon neutral! Could North Korea be a template for the western world in the fight against climate change?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 02, 2017 11:58 AM (KUaJL)

153 The majority of Russia did not want Communism just as the majority of Germany did not want Hitler. Murder and violence were the tools that gave both power.

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 11:58 AM (BNXbq)

154 111. I don't know a lot of younger Russians, but I think the attitude would be similar, if slightly less well-informed by personal experience. Victory Day is a BFD in Russia, and everyone more or less agrees that only a monster like Stalin could have defeated the monster that was Hitler.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (TwwWO)

155
4 Commies killed everyone?

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (FZYNt)







No. But it wasn't for lack of effort.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (XWkhW)

156 >>>>>The paper is getting smaller and smaller. You ever notice? It's starting to look like a comic book it's getting so small.



I noticed that about our local newspaper, its itty. Its not just
thin, the dimensions are about 60% what they used to be. Its
ridiculous, I don't know why they even keep printing.



The local newspaper built a brand new huge building with presses in
it in about 2000 at the last height of newspaper circulation and
popularity. Now its closed, empty. The paper is printed in Portland,
and is mostly USA Today content. I don't even think they have any
reporters any longer.



The Oregonian, Portland's news paper, doesn't even run the website that their content is on, its a separate entity.
.
.
.The Lexington KY newspaper isn't even printed their anymore. Gannett bought them out a few years ago and they print the paper in Louisville with about 5 others in the region. The local news is down to about 1 or 2 pages at best, everything else is recycled AP, USA Today or Reuters reprints.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (le7jz)

157 Vox actually has an article today about what a great
economy North Korea has. Seriously. Of course, those morons believe there is a bridge between Gaza and the West Bank.

Posted by: Benji Carver at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (OD2ni)



Comrades, don't believe those imperialist lies. It's pure utopia there. Move there now!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (493sH)

158 Vox actually has an article today about what a great
economy North Korea has. Seriously. Of course, those morons believe
there is a bridge between Gaza and the West Bank.

Posted by: Benji Carver at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (OD2ni)



I love the throw away oh yeah most people are starving but hand wave hand wave hand wave.


The notion that politics are what gives people their sense of shared humanity is such an inversion of how shared humanity leads to political system that all I can do is slack jawed stare at it in shock.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (mf5HN)

159 131 Disagree with you on that. I propose that the Left hates and targets
religious groups because, as a hard core Religious group itself, it hate
the competition and does everything it can to get rid of it. All new
religions hate the old religions they are trying to replace - that's
what heresy laws are all about.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (KeRkT)

============================


Yes, I see what you're saying. Perhaps one is dependent on the other.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (lwiT4)

Simpler... the Left wants the State to determine what is right and wrong... what is good and just... and what is LEGAL and illegal.

Thus, Religions must be minimized... can't have GOD saying what is right and wrong...

Oh, and individuality must go away, because the basis of that is self determination... ie, making up your own damn mind... not being told what to believe by said State...

Its all about the Power of the State...

Posted by: Don Q. at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (NgKpN)

160 The old story of the tyrant walking through the field chopping off all the stalks that grew taller than any other to create equality is perfect for explaining communism.

-------

...and the trees were all made equal, by hatchet, axe, and saw....

Rush, The Trees, 1978
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 02, 2017 11:50 AM (7ZVPa)


1978... wasn't he still working for the Kansas City Royals then?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (Pz4pT)

161 139 I've read the stuff of people who have read it. I certainly am not going to slog through that tripe.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 11:55 AM (Pz4pT)

=================

It's really short, can be downloaded for free, and you'll learn from it directly.

I'd recommend a read.

It's not like it's going to change your mind, is it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (BjrOM)

162 What's a hundred-million dead in the pursuit of a bad idea?

/NYT

Once again, it's all about their feelz.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (oVJmc)

163 Trotsky purposely turned down a higher position in Lenin's government because he believed his Jewish identity would be used against the Party.

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (BNXbq)

164 None of these assholes extolling the virtues of communism ever seem to move to a communist shit hole?

Go figure?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (KlI/a)

165 The local news is down to about 1 or 2 pages at best, everything else is recycled AP, USA Today or Reuters reprints.

Which I think is the absolutely wrong direction to go. If they had a clue in their vapid heads, they'd go with all local and one page of the rest of the country and world. We live in a strange time when we can more quickly and easily hear about world events than those next door. By the time a news story comes out in the paper, its old and boring. But what's going on at home, that's close and interesting.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (39g3+)

166
Hitler killed 20+ million, about half of those his own people. Stalin killed over 60 million, about two thirds of them his own people. Mao killed somewhere around 90 million people, almost all of them his own people.

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by people, you mean prisoners

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (PNcou)

167 134 Communism takes more blind faith than any religion.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles


Bitch, please.

Posted by: Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (wTwJ2)

168 Vox actually has an article today about what a great
economy North Korea has. Seriously. Of course, those morons believe
there is a bridge between Gaza and the West Bank.

Posted by: Benji Carver at May 02, 2017 11:54 AM (OD2ni)

Not too long ago, North Koreans were stripping trees of their bark for food. There were reports of black market cannibalism.

Seriously, what's wrong with those people at Vox? How can they write that stuff? Are they trying to generate sympathy for the Norks because they hate Trump, too? What the hell?

Posted by: troyriser at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (Fw5cQ)

169 Also ignored by bureaucrats, "quality".

A great teacher gets paid the same as a lousy teacher.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 02, 2017 11:52 AM (1JnAL)



When I taught in Europe, faculty pay was determined strictly by age up to a certain point, after which it was constant. So some faculty toodled in at 11 am, hung out a bit, then buggered off in mid-afternoon, while others worked seven-day weeks, brought in a lot of research money (from which the university took a hefty cut), and yet ... were paid less, because younger. Grrrr.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (SRKgf)

170 157
Comrades, don't believe those imperialist lies. It's pure utopia there. Move there now!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (493sH)

==============

Please, Left. Do it.

All of you. At once. And tear up your American passports and renounce your American citizenship as soon as you land in Pyongyang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:02 PM (BjrOM)

171 155
4 Commies killed everyone?

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 02, 2017 11:25 AM (FZYNt)


No. But it wasn't for lack of effort.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (XWkhW)


See? They're not even good at that.

Well, pretty good. But not great.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 02, 2017 12:02 PM (yL25O)

172 The majority of Russia did not want Communism just as the majority of Germany did not want Hitler. Murder and violence were the tools that gave both power.

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 11:58 AM (BNXbq)




So what gives the left power here? Stupidity, gullibility, willful ignorance.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 12:02 PM (493sH)

173 104
Hitler is reviled (rightly) and held up as THE villain of the 20th
century.Stalin?Not so much.You see gamer tags onXbox with Stalin in
them.Anything with Hitler would be instantly banned.



Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (r/0kC)

One thing is that some of Hitler's victims were Europeans, whereas a good chunk of the West does not consider Russia as part of the West, thus not a lot of Euros killed by Stalin, and as to Mao Zedong, he was killing Chinese.

Posted by: Penfold at May 02, 2017 12:02 PM (Fbt5B)

174 163 Trotsky purposely turned down a higher position in Lenin's government because he believed his Jewish identity would be used against the Party.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (BNXbq)

===============

Antisemitism is probably a modern day selling point to most leftists.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:03 PM (BjrOM)

175 Renouncing your individuality is a masochism that will mitigate every other self-doubt and self-loathing. "Who goes nazi?" but the man who's neurotic doubts have turned into misanthropy?

http://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 02, 2017 12:03 PM (VdICR)

176 A question for the hoard : with all that extra spending in the budget, and keeping funding for Planned Parenthood... do you think my democrat wife will be willing to peg me tonight???
Posted by: Paul Ryan at May 02, 2017 11:57 AM (DpOmP)


You lie! You're not the real Paul Ryan. The real Paul Ryan doesn't have sex with his wife. A woman.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:03 PM (Pz4pT)

177 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (TwwWO)

Yes it took a monster because the Russian troops were marched to the front with minders and guards that would shoot anyone who looked like they were retreating.

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 12:03 PM (BNXbq)

178 Trotsky purposely turned down a higher position in Lenin's government because he believed his Jewish identity would be used against the Party.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (BNXbq)

Posted by: Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:03 PM (KlI/a)

179 Heh...in the early days of the war in the east, the germans joked that their best general was stalin....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 12:03 PM (TwwWO)

180 Vox actually has an article today about what a great
economy North Korea has.


Number of VOX writers who have relocated to the secluded paradise: 0.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 12:03 PM (oVJmc)

181 Trotsky purposely turned down a higher position in Lenin's government because he believed his Jewish identity would be used against the Party.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (BNXbq)
Posted by: Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:03 PM (KlI/a)

Nothing a little Ax will not cute comrade

Posted by: Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:04 PM (KlI/a)

182 "If you understood Hayek, you'd have known that ObamaCare was doomed to fail."

The inference I unavoidably draw is that Trump, Ryan, and McConnell don't understand Hayek. As the teetering triumvirate gear up for their next attempt to pass Obamacare Lite v. 2.0.

Another layer of lipstick on the pig will surely do the trick!

Posted by: torquewrench at May 02, 2017 12:04 PM (qJjMA)

183 I love the throw away oh yeah most people are starving but hand wave hand wave hand wave.


The notion that politics are what gives people their sense of shared humanity is such an inversion of how shared humanity leads to political system that all I can do is slack jawed stare at it in shock.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (mf5HN)


I believe starving was extolled as "healthy".

Everyone's at their goal weight! The pinnacle of BMI!

Posted by: TexasDan at May 02, 2017 12:05 PM (yL25O)

184 There's an idiot on my twitter feed now arguing with me that "real" communism hasn't been tried and how "real" communism would be fantastic. I'm torturing him.

Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2017 12:05 PM (Mc+44)

185 Regarding Socialism (not communism):
From its founding in 1948 until sometime after the Likud coalition victory in 1977, Israel was a one-party (democratic), national, socialist state. Was it a success or failure? Was there a viable alternative during that time period?

Posted by: RioBravo at May 02, 2017 12:05 PM (SsblQ)

186 Do they really think that they would be running the show? That someone else would not hijack the whole shebang, and line them in front of a wall?

Posted by: Paladin at May 02, 2017 12:05 PM (WujO7)

187 Nazism "versus" Communism?

There are 2 kinds of Socialism: National and International.

---

Nazi = Racial
facism = national

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 12:05 PM (PNcou)

188 43 The only thing that makes Nazis worse than Communists is that they did their job quicker. They murdered fewer people, but killed in a shorter time period.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:32 AM (39g3+)
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Also they way the Nazis did their killing was much more heinous. Correct me if I'm wrong but for the most part the Communists just shot their victims.

Posted by: Independent George at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (BDZWU)

189 111. I don't know a lot of younger Russians, but I think the attitude would be similar, if slightly less well-informed by personal experience. Victory Day is a BFD in Russia, and everyone more or less agrees that only a monster like Stalin could have defeated the monster that was Hitler.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (TwwWO)


That's what I don't know, then. How much information gets out today. I think what you're describing is the very nature of the totalitarian state, controlling information, but I think we were led to believe with the "fall of communism" in the early 90s, and what with this internet thing and all, that younger generations would have access to a more thorough understanding of their own history.

I guess not.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (Pz4pT)

190 158 I love the throw away oh yeah most people are starving but hand wave hand wave hand wave.


The notion that politics are what gives people their sense of shared humanity is such an inversion of how shared humanity leads to political system that all I can do is slack jawed stare at it in shock.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (mf5HN)

===============

I'm always reminded of Thomas Paine when he said that societies arise from the good in people, and governments arise from the bad.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (BjrOM)

191 A great teacher gets paid the same as a lousy teacher.

Took karate with a couple of Russian guys. They said that's the reason Communism failed. No money in it.

Posted by: tu3031 at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (qJhUV)

192 177. Yes. One of those old men I knew was in a penal battalion. But the reds were able to grind the germans down in attritional battles lasting months, and it really did come down to which side could send enough men to still be on the field after the battle. And st

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (TwwWO)

193 15 it's all good until they start rounding up dissenters and killing them.....


Posted by: phoenixgirl... at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (0O7c5)

They consider that the best part.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (XMDuf)

194 Why do you crazy Americans worship your guns ?
Ohh .Mayday ,,,, Nevermind .

Posted by: awkward davies at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (JsMw3)

195 The best way to insure an increase in per-capita GDP under communism is to rapidly cull the population

Posted by: Ioseph Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (DpOmP)

196 184 There's an idiot on my twitter feed now arguing with me that "real" communism hasn't been tried and how "real" communism would be fantastic. I'm torturing him.
Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2017 12:05 PM (Mc+44)

================

I believe that the next big attempt at a communist state will be through some sort of data driven society, where people are assigned their place based on what the algorithm tells them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (BjrOM)

197
164 None of these assholes extolling the virtues of communism ever seem to move to a communist shit hole?

Go figure?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (KlI/a)








And Che, the Argie, never bothered to agitate for Communism in his home country. Curious, that.

Personally, I think he knew damned well that Argentina was a tough nut to crack, and he pussed out, preferring to do the easy shit in Cuba. Not to mention gleefully moving over to the Congo later on so he could kill black people.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (XWkhW)

198 Simpler... the Left wants the State to determine what is right and wrong... what is good and just... and what is LEGAL and illegal.


For today only. And maybe tomorrow. And only for them.
Witness amerifa. The STATE has already said rioting is illegal. They want it to be legal and squeal like 12 yr old girls when people start cracking their skulls.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (Njtx4)

199 Correct me if I'm wrong but for the most part the Communists just shot their victims.
Posted by: Independent George at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (BDZWU)

Ya mean other than those I lock on a barge and sunk? Or send to a certain death in the Gulags? And let's not forget the prison "Volunteers" who cleared the mine fields for me.

Yup I am a swell guy

Posted by: Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (KlI/a)

200 184 There's an idiot on my twitter feed now arguing with me that "real" communism hasn't been tried and how "real" communism would be fantastic. I'm torturing him.
Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2017 12:05 PM (Mc+44)


Don't let us interrupt.

But this is true of every human system. If humans were perfect, ANY system would work beautifully. Like truly beautifully.

The reality is that any system which does not account for the failings of man at the core of its organization will lead to misery and death.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 02, 2017 12:08 PM (yL25O)

201 >>It was to this clarity of inner being that so many became not only
attached, but addicted. No reward of life, no love nor fame nor wealth,
could compete with the experience...



Koombya much?

Sounds more like a cult than a political movement.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 02, 2017 12:08 PM (NOIQH)

202 Someone was paid to write and edit this piece, right?

They sold ad space, right?

They charged for the copy, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 02, 2017 12:08 PM (fD1ST)

203 198 Simpler... the Left wants the State to determine what is right and wrong... what is good and just... and what is LEGAL and illegal.


For today only. And maybe tomorrow. And only for them.
Witness amerifa. The STATE has already said rioting is illegal. They want it to be legal and squeal like 12 yr old girls when people start cracking their skulls.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (Njtx4)


They want a license from the government to crack skulls at will themselves.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 02, 2017 12:08 PM (XMDuf)

204 184 There's an idiot on my twitter feed now arguing with me that "real" communism hasn't been tried and how "real" communism would be fantastic. I'm torturing him.
Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2017 12:05 PM (Mc+44)


"But real Shari'a is not practiced anywhere yet!"

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 02, 2017 12:08 PM (CPk08)

205 I've read the stuff of people who have read it. I certainly am not going to slog through that tripe.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 11:55 AM (Pz4pT)

=================

It's really short, can be downloaded for free, and you'll learn from it directly.

I'd recommend a read.

It's not like it's going to change your mind, is it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (BjrOM)


No, of course it's not going to change my mind, but regardless of how short it is, why in the world would I WANT to read it?

I don't have endless amounts of time to read. Life is too short to give to that evil monster, any more than a cursory condemnation.

Like I said, others have read it. They offer clear refutations of it. Why in God's name would I need to do that myself.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (Pz4pT)

206 17 Hitler is reviled (rightly) and held up as THE villain of the 20th century.Stalin?Not so much.You see gamer tags onXbox with Stalin in them.Anything with Hitler would be instantly banned.
Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2017 11:27 AM (r/0kC)


As I said last week, one of the biggest problems in our society is that one can openly proclaim oneself a Communist without fear of imminent and grievous bodily harm.

Posted by: rickl at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (xjiRE)

207 Also they way the Nazis did their killing was much more heinous. Correct me if I'm wrong but for the most part the Communists just shot their victims.

Posted by: Independent George at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (BDZWU)



5 million dead Ukrainians: 5 year plans did the trick too

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (493sH)

208 I have been away for awhile, completely lost my voice (the out-loud one) and felt lousy in general. Barely better now, but you know what would cheer me up? The Mike Hammer 'killing commies' quote. I'm sure he hit that one at some point in the last 48 hours or so.

Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (zLDYs)

209 5 million dead Ukrainians: 5 year plans did the trick too
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (493sH)

THAT was some of my best work

Posted by: Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (KlI/a)

210 Oh, and individuality must go away, because the
basis of that is self determination... ie, making up your own damn
mind... not being told what to believe by said State...



Its all about the Power of the State...

Posted by: Don Q. at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (NgKpN)
==================================

This is what infuriates me about these leftist thugs and their academic enablers, shutting down free speech on college campuses. This is a taste of what's to come. Individual points of view must be squelched. Your right to speak an unpopular idea must be squashed. Christian Students' Group? No campus access. Write something outside the box on a term paper? Teacher screams Sexist Racist Bigot and out you go.

I remember several years back, a Nazi group wanted to march in Skokie IL, a community in which many Jews lived. It was very controversial. I believe they finally did get a parade permit. I hated that decision at the time. Now, I think it was the right one. if all are not allowed to speak, then none of us will be allowed, at some point.

The first amendment is pre-eminent. The second protects the first.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (lwiT4)

211 Which I think is the absolutely wrong direction to go. If they had a clue in their vapid heads, they'd go with all local and one page of the rest of the country and world. We live in a strange time when we can more quickly and easily hear about world events than those next door. By the time a news story comes out in the paper, its old and boring. But what's going on at home, that's close and interesting.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (39g3+)



There's a tiny local paper in my town that does exactly that. They publish three times a week and the front page is always local stuff, with an emphasis on community boosterism (here's the town fair, here's the school group's trip to build houses, that type of stuff). The key focus is on the local news. The national news is in the middle of the first section and is all AP or syndicated opinion columns, very carefully chosen to present both sides. The sports section is front page high school sports, some college stuff and the pro stuff is all AP.

There's a TON of local ads, both the weekly grocery flyers and other stores. Then there's the legal ad section. They're making a killing on the legal ads because they're the cheapest in the county so everyone uses them.

It's actually a really good little paper because the reporters focus on local issues, such as the various zoning wars, and they try to just flat out report.

Funny how that makes them economically viable, now, isn't it? I've spoken to the publisher a few times since I know her through work and she's said they decided about 15 years ago to be very local oriented because there was no other paper serving that niche. They're still in business because of that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (mf5HN)

212 Venezuela, perfection of socialism/communism, 95 percent of the population live in equality.

Posted by: gNewt at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (0nM5K)

213 There's an idiot on my twitter feed now arguing with me that "real" communism hasn't been tried and how "real" communism would be fantastic. I'm torturing him.
Posted by: dagny




If it doesn't include salt, lemon juice & razor blades, you're a piker.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2017 12:10 PM (Njtx4)

214 196
184 There's an idiot on my twitter feed now arguing with me that "real"
communism hasn't been tried and how "real" communism would be fantastic.
I'm torturing him.

Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2017 12:05 PM (Mc+44)



================



I believe that the next big attempt at a communist state will be
through some sort of data driven society, where people are assigned
their place based on what the algorithm tells them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (BjrOM)

======
I have seen that show, both seasons in fact. See Psycho-Pass.

Posted by: Penfold at May 02, 2017 12:10 PM (Fbt5B)

215 Correct me if I'm wrong but for the most part the Communists just shot their victims.
Posted by: Independent George at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (BDZWU)

Ya mean other than those I lock on a barge and sunk? Or send to a certain death in the Gulags? And let's not forget the prison "Volunteers" who cleared the mine fields for me.


Starvation is handy, too.

Posted by: Mao at May 02, 2017 12:10 PM (oVJmc)

216 Any Jewish Doctors here...I have some unfinished business

Posted by: Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:10 PM (KlI/a)

217 Seriously, what's wrong with those people at Vox? How can they write that stuff? Are they trying to generate sympathy for the Norks because they hate Trump, too? What the hell?
Posted by: troyriser at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (Fw5cQ)


Vox is staffed with hipster millennial twats with their shelves crammed full of self-esteem trophies who think they are way smarter than they actually are. So they write crap and wonder why they're not up for Pulitzers.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 12:10 PM (KbfL/)

218 Trotsky purposely turned down a higher position in Lenin's government because he believed his Jewish identity would be used against the Party.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (BNXbq)



Yet Jews were prominent in the Stalin regime (e.g., Kamenev, Zinoviev, Yagoda, to name a few besides Trotsky) until he whacked them. Along with untold millions of others.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:10 PM (SRKgf)

219 Correct me if I'm wrong but for the most part the Communists just shot their victims.

Posted by: Independent George


--

No, shooting was expensive compared to starving or working their people to death.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 02, 2017 12:10 PM (7ZVPa)

220 >>The notion that politics are what gives people their sense of shared
humanity is such an inversion of how shared humanity leads to political
system that all I can do is slack jawed stare at it in shock.


Yup, this.

If politics is your religion you are doing it wrong.
The State is not God - you are not God.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 02, 2017 12:10 PM (NOIQH)

221 199 Correct me if I'm wrong but for the most part the Communists just shot their victims.
Posted by: Independent George at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (BDZWU)


not so much.

Posted by: Ukrainian Mass Starvation at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (yL25O)

222 205 No, of course it's not going to change my mind, but regardless of how short it is, why in the world would I WANT to read it?

I don't have endless amounts of time to read. Life is too short to give to that evil monster, any more than a cursory condemnation.

Like I said, others have read it. They offer clear refutations of it. Why in God's name would I need to do that myself.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (Pz4pT)

===============

Because it's a primary source.

Any critique you give of something that's filtered solely through other people's opinions of it lacks the authority of actual exposure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (BjrOM)

223 There's an idiot on my twitter feed now arguing with me that "real"
communism hasn't been tried and how "real" communism would be fantastic.


Every theory works, theoretically.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (oVJmc)

224 Correct me if I'm wrong but for the most part the Communists just shot their victims.
Posted by: Independent George at May 02, 2017 12:06 PM (BDZWU)

Ya mean other than those I lock on a barge and sunk? Or send to a certain death in the Gulags? And let's not forget the prison "Volunteers" who cleared the mine fields for me.

Yup I am a swell guy

Posted by: Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (KlI/a)


Let's be clear about the starvation thing. You shipped millions of people to the middle of nowhere, in the freezing cold, and left them there with no access to food.

A bullet to the head would have been kind.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (Pz4pT)

225 178 Trotsky purposely turned down a higher position in Lenin's government because he believed his Jewish identity would be used against the Party.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 12:00 PM (BNXbq)
Posted by: Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:03 PM (KlI/a)
**************
The only difference that would have made was his killers carbon footprint would have been smaller.

Posted by: torabora at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (0+2tr)

226 There's an idiot on my twitter feed now arguing with me that "real" communism hasn't been tried and how "real" communism would be fantastic. I'm torturing him.
Posted by: dagny



Tell him "real" capitalism hasn't been tried either.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (SRKgf)

227 Genocide in the UN used to be defined as deliberate attempt to murder any specific group, including political and social groups. The Soviet Union eliminated protection of political groups because Stalin knew he'd be wiping out political enemies by the ocean full, so he couldn't have the UN on his back.

The low estimate in the Black Book of Communism is about 94 million dead. That's about one out of every three Americans. The population of the four most populated states in the USA: New York, Florida, California, and Texas... combined. Completely empty, every single person dead.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (39g3+)

228 216 Any Jewish Doctors here...I have some unfinished business
Posted by: Stalin at May 02, 2017 12:10 PM (KlI/a)


You keep that shit up and you are gonna pop an artery in your head. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (CPk08)

229 Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (Pz4pT)

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Because it's a primary source.

Any critique you give of something that's filtered solely through other people's opinions of it lacks the authority of actual exposure.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (BjrOM)


Which would be great if I was teaching a class, or on the debate team, but I'm not.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:12 PM (Pz4pT)

230 Hey what does I guy have to do get a little recognition around here?

Posted by: Pol Pot at May 02, 2017 12:12 PM (KlI/a)

231 "Oh, and individuality must go away, because the
basis of that is self determination... ie, making up your own damn
mind... not being told what to believe by said State...



Its all about the Power of the State...

Posted by: Don Q. at May 02, 2017 11:59 AM (NgKpN)"
That's why having someone like Trump as President is a literal Hell for them. (they believe in Heaven on Earth, the flip side is Hell on Earth) They are having to live through the movie where their own personal AntiChrist is in charge of all the things they hold dear. Watching them, just realize - they are acting the way that any good Fundy would act if he knew the AntiChrist was in power. Perfectly explains every word that comes out of Maxine W's mouth.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 12:12 PM (KeRkT)

232 Let's be clear about the starvation thing. You shipped millions of people to the middle of nowhere, in the freezing cold, and left them there with no access to food.

A bullet to the head would have been kind.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (Pz4pT)



There was no need to ship the Ukrainians anywhere. Just seal them off with the NKVD, take every means of subsistence from them, and await developments.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:12 PM (SRKgf)

233 Communism is awesome, but I'm moving to North Carolina or Florida to get away from the government I demanded.

Posted by: Locusts Everywhere at May 02, 2017 12:13 PM (fD1ST)

234 Every theory works, theoretically.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 12:11 PM (oVJmc)



In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice.

In practice, there is.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:13 PM (SRKgf)

235 I believe that the next big attempt at a communist state will be through some sort of data driven society, where people are assigned their place based on what the algorithm tells them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:07 PM (BjrOM)

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I have seen that show, both seasons in fact. See Psycho-Pass.



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Divergent. Insurgent. Allegiant.
Good movies.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2017 12:13 PM (Njtx4)

236 I believe that the next big attempt at a communist state will be through some sort of data driven society, where people are assigned their place based on what the algorithm tells them.

--

to go about without your cell phone will be a crime. Big Brother needs to watch and listen

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (PNcou)

237 Essentially the NYT's opinion is that humanity is optimized by destroying the individual, except for the elite class of individual that will rule them.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (oVJmc)

238 Depressing? It is just the NYT being the NYT.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Hosts the Are We There Yet? Political Party at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (hLRSq)

239 229 Which would be great if I was teaching a class, or on the debate team, but I'm not.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:12 PM (Pz4pT)

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But you are here, talking about the relative merits of Communism and Marxism.

You ARE debating, and you're intentionally cutting yourself off from one of the foundational documents of that which you are arguing against.

Besides, if you ever get into an argument in real life, you can whip out, "I've read the Communist Manifesto, and it's terrible for x, y, and z reasons."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (BjrOM)

240 There will be more for the rest of you if we kill off the undesireibles today

Posted by: Fidel at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (DpOmP)

241 It was to this clarity of inner being that so many became not only
attached, but addicted. No reward of life, no love nor fame nor wealth,
could compete with the experience...

Koombya much?
Sounds more like a cult than a political movement.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 02, 2017 12:08 PM (NOIQH)


It is. But instead of "Kumbaya", they sing the "Internationale".

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (KbfL/)

242 Correct me if I'm wrong but for the most part the Communists just shot their victims.

Actually the bulk were starved, worked, frozen, and beaten to death. Bullets cost money. Which is worse: being worked and starved to death in a Nazi prison camp, or worked and starved to death in a gulag? Is being shot in the head a less awful death than being gassed in a shower?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (39g3+)

243 235 Divergent. Insurgent. Allegiant.
Good movies.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2017 12:13 PM (Njtx4)

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He made a funny!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (BjrOM)

244 230 Hey what does I guy have to do get a little recognition around here?
Posted by: Pol Pot at May 02, 2017 12:12 PM (KlI/a)


Bunch of racists around here.

Posted by: Emperor Hirohito at May 02, 2017 12:15 PM (CPk08)

245 233 Communism is awesome, but I'm moving to North Carolina or Florida to get away from the government I demanded.
Posted by: Locusts Everywhere at May 02, 2017 12:13 PM (fD1ST)


I have a very liberal acquaintance who has pretty much the same thing. He is proposing to flee CA for AZ because taxes are too high, etc. here. Yet he will certainly vote for the exact same shit there that he voted for here, and now wants to escape.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:15 PM (SRKgf)

246 "It was to this clarity of inner being that so many became not only attached, but addicted. No reward of life, no love nor fame nor wealth, could compete with the experience."


The Rapture without all of that Jesus stuff.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Hosts the Are We There Yet? Political Party at May 02, 2017 12:15 PM (hLRSq)

247 The "we haven't tried the perfect system" is the driving argument of Islam as well.

For Islam to work, it requires the complete cooperation (submission) of everyone in the community. So until everyone on the planet submits, Muslims can say we haven't really given Islam a chance yet. In fact, it CAN'T work until everyone submits.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 02, 2017 12:15 PM (yL25O)

248 Correct me if I'm wrong but for the most part the Communists just shot their victims.
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I don't know if it is historically accurate or not, but the Russian movie "The Admiral" illustrates quite well another method. Czarist naval officers connected to concrete blocks and then dumped over the side of a boat.

"The Admiral" is a Russian movie (200 about Admiral Kolchak. Not to be confused with the half-dozen other recent movies with the same entitle.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 02, 2017 12:16 PM (SsblQ)

249 Pol Pot just needed a larger population base to work his magic . He'd have made the big leagues in India .

Posted by: awkward davies at May 02, 2017 12:16 PM (JsMw3)

250 Someone at the Times should send out Friedman to find a Russian cab driver and see what they think.

Posted by: tu3031 at May 02, 2017 12:16 PM (qJhUV)

251 Communism is awesome, but I'm moving to North Carolina or Florida to get away from the government I demanded.
Posted by: Locusts Everywhere at May 02, 2017 12:13 PM (fD1ST)


I believe in New Hampshire they're called "MASS-holes" after they state they've ruined and are fleeing from.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 12:16 PM (KbfL/)

252 Posted by: RioBravo at May 02, 2017 12:16 PM (SsblQ)
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200(blah) = 2008

Posted by: RioBravo at May 02, 2017 12:16 PM (SsblQ)

253 Question: What was the leading cause of death in the 20th Century?

Me Motherfuckers!

Posted by: Spanish Flu at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (FZYNt)

254
Ya mean other than those I lock on a barge and sunk? Or send to a certain death in the Gulags? And let's not forget the prison "Volunteers" who cleared the mine fields for me.

Starvation is handy, too.

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take them out in December and spray them with hoses. They make lovely ice sculptures.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (PNcou)

255 Most of the bloodshed of the 20th century can be traced to the Kaiser sending Lenin - and a crap-ton of cash with him - back to Russia to knock them outta the Great War. It worked, but talk about unintended consequences

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (TwwWO)

256 Which would be great if I was teaching a class, or on the debate team, but I'm not.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:12 PM (Pz4pT)

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But you are here, talking about the relative merits of Communism and Marxism.

You ARE debating, and you're intentionally cutting yourself off from one of the foundational documents of that which you are arguing against.

Besides, if you ever get into an argument in real life, you can whip out, "I've read the Communist Manifesto, and it's terrible for x, y, and z reasons."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (BjrOM)


You're just going to have to accept that I'm never going to read Marx's dirty rotten book.

I have.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (Pz4pT)

257 Bunch of racists around here.
Posted by: Emperor Hirohito at May 02, 2017 12:15 PM (CPk0


No kidding.

Posted by: Théoneste Bagosora at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (CPk08)

258 I believe in New Hampshire they're called "MASS-holes" after they state they've ruined and are fleeing from.

And some of us are trapped here.

Posted by: tu3031 at May 02, 2017 12:18 PM (qJhUV)

259 245 I have a very liberal acquaintance who has pretty much the same thing. He is proposing to flee CA for AZ because taxes are too high, etc. here. Yet he will certainly vote for the exact same shit there that he voted for here, and now wants to escape.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:15 PM (SRKgf)

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"I sure do hope that AZ doesn't start raising its taxes in order to pay for increased services after you get there!"

Related:

I saw an article yesterday that Oregon is thinking of killing the Medicaid expansion in order to shore up their budgets.

I think that the best way forward in regards to federal health care is to keep the Medicaid expansion as it is, and repeal everything else. It MIGHT be politically viable enough of a solution to pass. The Medicaid expansion is going to die on its own, and those states that took it on will bear the brunt of their folly (not all...I wish we could actually get rid of it).

But if Oregon is just floating the idea now, imagine how things will look in 2020 when all of the states that took the expansion suddenly have to pay for a whole lot more of it than now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:18 PM (BjrOM)

260 Hey what does I guy have to do get a little recognition around here?

Posted by: Pol Pot


--

Percentage wise, you are at the top, but in sheer numbers, you just played on a much smaller field.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 02, 2017 12:18 PM (7ZVPa)

261


Comrades, the dead are all equal. Communism will make you all equal

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 12:18 PM (493sH)

262 I'm back. That sucked. Curled myself up into a ball until the abdominal pain went away, then fell asleep for a bit.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:18 PM (0mRoj)

263 My favorite professor was a South African specialist in economics and geology. He was very funny and engaging, and he would tell the story of how he used his geological expertise to identify a very promising new gold vein in South Africa, and used his economic expertise to put together a mining consortium to exploit it. He would tell how it was all going perfectly, and then "we drilled the test bores, and nothing was there. Just - nothing. The venture failed miserably, and we all lost everything we'd put into it. Well, that's life, and so I did what all Great Business Failures do next - I became a University Professor!"

I can still hear him, his Afrikaaner accent was wonderful.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 12:18 PM (KeRkT)

264 230 Hey what does I guy have to do get a little recognition around here?
Posted by: Pol Pot at May 02, 2017 12:12 PM (KlI/a)

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get another comma on the butchers bill

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 12:18 PM (PNcou)

265 165 The local news is down to about 1 or 2 pages at best, everything else is recycled AP, USA Today or Reuters reprints.

Which I think is the absolutely wrong direction to go. If they had a clue in their vapid heads, they'd go with all local and one page of the rest of the country and world. We live in a strange time when we can more quickly and easily hear about world events than those next door. By the time a news story comes out in the paper, its old and boring. But what's going on at home, that's close and interesting.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 12:01 PM (39g3+)


Our local rag was bought by Saint Warren of Omaha several years ago and all they have done is cut the thing to the bare bones. The Sunday paper now is no bigger than the Wednesday paper used to be 25 years ago.

All the paper is now is snarky headlines about Republicans and newsroom affirmative action. The local minor league hockey team would have a game with 6K+ people at the game and the paper would have a one paragraph "story" about the game while a high school girls volleyball game 60 miles away with 45 people at it would get 3/4's of a page with pictures and a huge writeup. Why? Gotta have the diversity.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (1JnAL)

266 Question: What was the leading cause of death in the 20th Century?

Me Motherf**kers!
Posted by: Spanish Flu at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (FZYNt)

What a silly thing to say.

Posted by: Your Built-in Genetic Code at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (Pz4pT)

267 This article could have been written by a dirty hippie reminiscing about Woodstock.
...........

Hey, I was just there for the pussy.

Posted by: dirty hippie at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (HgMAr)

268 Divergent. Insurgent. Allegiant.
Good movies.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2017 12:13 PM (Njtx4)

I've heard there's a fourth one in the works to clean up some issues from the previous three.

They're naming it... Detergent.

Posted by: WisRich at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (hdpay)

269 256 You're just going to have to accept that I'm never going to read Marx's dirty rotten book.

I have.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (Pz4pT)

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I honestly don't care, but I just think that everyone would benefit from seeing the awfulness of the ideas, undistilled, for themselves.

Oh well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (BjrOM)

270 Hey what does I guy have to do get a little recognition around here?
Posted by: Pol Pot
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Percentage wise, you are at the top, but in sheer numbers, you just played on a much smaller field.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 02, 2017 12:18 PM (7ZVPa


Yeah, but in the cray-cray category, that guy is up near the top.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (KbfL/)

271 Let's be clear about the starvation thing. You shipped millions of people to the middle of nowhere, in the freezing cold, and left them there with no access to food.

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O, there was food there. For the MOTIVATED

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (PNcou)

272 No kidding.
Posted by: Theoneste Bagosora at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (CPk0


I hear you, bro!

Posted by: Tikka Khan at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (CPk08)

273 Hey what does I guy have to do get a little recognition around here?
Posted by: Pol Pot at May 02, 2017 12:12 PM (KlI/a)


Bash Trump.

Posted by: CNN at May 02, 2017 12:20 PM (oVJmc)

274 "I sure do hope that AZ doesn't start raising its taxes in order to pay for increased services after you get there!"


He's not bright enough to grasp the point, much less to learn from experience.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:20 PM (SRKgf)

275 If you feel the need to read a book by Marx and/or Engels, may I recommend "The Communist Manifesto". It is short and much less boring and time-consuming than other works such as "Capital".

Posted by: RioBravo at May 02, 2017 12:20 PM (SsblQ)

276 Divergent. Insurgent. Allegiant.
Good movies.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2017 12:13 PM (Njtx4)

I've heard there's a fourth one in the works to clean up some issues from the previous three.
They're naming it... Detergent.

Posted by: WisRich at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (hdpay)


( *snort* )

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 12:20 PM (KbfL/)

277 So...this is written by a red diaper baby. And this series has been going for months. Oh, man...

Most Communists never set foot in party headquarters, laid eyes on a
Central Committee member, or were privy to policy-making sessions. But
every rank-and-filer knew that party unionists were crucial to the rise
of industrial labor; party lawyers defended blacks in the South; party
organizers lived, worked, and sometimes died with miners in Appalachia;
farm workers in California; steel workers in Pittsburgh. What made it
all real were the organizations the party built: the International
Workers Order, the National Negro Congress, the Unemployment Councils.
Whenever some new world catastrophe announced itself throughout the
Depression and World War II, The Daily Worker sold out in minutes.


Gosh, why aren't all blue collar workers Commies, what with all this good work they've been doing? /sarc

Posted by: Lizzy at May 02, 2017 12:20 PM (NOIQH)

278 Ok communism bad . Socialism is ok though , right ?
I mean Bernie almost won the primary .

Posted by: awkward davies at May 02, 2017 12:20 PM (JsMw3)

279 268
I've heard there's a fourth one in the works to clean up some issues from the previous three.

They're naming it... Detergent.
Posted by: WisRich at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (hdpay)

===============

There actually is supposed to be a fourth one, but the third one did so poorly that it's becoming some kind of television thing and the main actress is not getting rehired for it.

Considering how annoying the woman is in real life, I just sit back and giggle slightly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:21 PM (BjrOM)

280 Venezuela, perfection of socialism/communism, 95 percent of the population live in equality.

Posted by: gNewt at May 02, 2017 12:09 PM (0nM5K)
............

Yeah, who needs TP when there's no food?

Posted by: wth at May 02, 2017 12:21 PM (HgMAr)

281 The Right sucks...They are Cowards, RINOs, Assholes, Liars


But the 'Left" is self destructing right in front of our eyes.

Buy more Ammo and Water

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2017 12:21 PM (KlI/a)

282 "The Admiral" is a Russian movie (200 about Admiral Kolchak. Not to be confused with the half-dozen other recent movies with the same title."

Didn't that guy end up moving to Chicago? Yeah, and he stalked things. At night.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 12:22 PM (KeRkT)

283 275 If you feel the need to read a book by Marx and/or Engels, may I recommend "The Communist Manifesto". It is short and much less boring and time-consuming than other works such as "Capital".
Posted by: RioBravo at May 02, 2017 12:20 PM (SsblQ)

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I've read that even communist economists kind of hate Capital because it's so poorly written.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 02, 2017 12:22 PM (BjrOM)

284
40 Million Ways to Cook an Omelet
by J. Stalin

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 12:22 PM (oVJmc)

285 All the paper is now is snarky headlines about Republicans and newsroom affirmative action. The local minor league hockey team would have a game with 6K+ people at the game and the paper would have a one paragraph "story" about the game while a high school girls volleyball game 60 miles away with 45 people at it would get 3/4's of a page with pictures and a huge writeup. Why? Gotta have the diversity.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (1JnAL)



Be of good cheer. Once the trans thing really catches on, girls'/ womens' sports will be a thing of the past.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:22 PM (SRKgf)

286 And the man said, 'and these are our economists - deadliest weapon of all.' - just the punchline

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 12:22 PM (TwwWO)

287 Stalin killed his own citizens in numbers, 20+ million, that make Hitler look like a amateur.

Posted by: Strobe at May 02, 2017 12:22 PM (gbWkA)

288
236 I believe that the next big attempt at a communist state will be through some sort of data driven society, where people are assigned their place based on what the algorithm tells them.

--

to go about without your cell phone will be a crime. Big Brother needs to watch and listen
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 12:14 PM (PNcou)

Time to start building that Faraday Cage for the phone. Business opportunity.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at May 02, 2017 12:22 PM (e1mEI)

289 separate but equal was dandy in theory

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 12:23 PM (PNcou)

290 I hear you, bro!
Posted by: Tikka Khan at May 02, 2017 12:19 PM (CPk0


Listen, if whitey ain't dyin', nobody gives a shit.

Mebbe I should pay the Russkies a visit. Yeah, that's an idea....

Posted by: Genghis Khan at May 02, 2017 12:23 PM (CPk08)

291 to go about without your cell phone will be a crime. Big Brother needs to watch and listen

The elimination of cash, so BB can track your purchases. To be followed by the implantation of a chip in your body, so to spare you the inconvenience of a smartphone or credit card. Just wave your arm!

Not to go all Kent Brockman, but - IT'S IN REVELATIONS, PEOPLE!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 02, 2017 12:23 PM (X6fMO)

292 My favorite professor was a South African specialist in economics and geology. He was very funny and engaging, and he would tell the story of how he used his geological expertise to identify a very promising new gold vein in South Africa, and used his economic expertise to put together a mining consortium to exploit it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 12:18 PM (KeRkT)


I have heard that it takes 1 billion(!) (that's right 'b' not 'm') dollars to get a new gold mine up and running.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 12:24 PM (KbfL/)

293 I like beet soup. In fact i love the color red. But my neighbor doesn't so I'm turning him in for the good of the state... comrade.

Actually i do love beet soup.

Posted by: Some moron 'self identifying as illegal for the perks' at May 02, 2017 12:24 PM (DdGS0)

294 Listen, if whitey ain't dyin', nobody gives a shit.

Mebbe I should pay the Russkies a visit. Yeah, that's an idea....
Posted by: Genghis Khan at May 02, 2017 12:23 PM (CPk0


LOL. Wankers.

Posted by: Yersinia pestis at May 02, 2017 12:25 PM (CPk08)

295 Gosh, why aren't all blue collar workers Commies, what with all this good work they've been doing? /sarc


Posted by: Lizzy at May 02, 2017 12:20 PM (NOIQH)


Which is why CPUSA's membership is 3,000 and climbing!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Hosts the Are We There Yet? Political Party at May 02, 2017 12:25 PM (hLRSq)

296 Like moldbug said...America is a Communist country. Not in the sense that there's an actual politburo ordering factories to produce 5% more steel or be imprisoned as wreckers, but in the sense that the governing ideals of our politics and culture are communistic. You don't get punished for being too fanatical, too pure in your pursuit of those ideals, but you sure as shit get ridden out of town on a rail for being insufficiently devoted to universal brotherhood and "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Posted by: Schmendrick at May 02, 2017 12:26 PM (8P1dI)

297 Winston Churchill to Stalin in Tehran - I know we will win, because God is on our side. To which Stalin replied - Satan is on my side, he is a good communist.

Posted by: Strobe at May 02, 2017 12:26 PM (gbWkA)

298 Marx Said Man Said.com

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 02, 2017 12:26 PM (PNcou)

299 Beets are Satan's hemorrhoids.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:26 PM (0mRoj)

300 I see ace is "woke".

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 02, 2017 12:26 PM (KbfL/)

301 "Free market pricing wins every time, with the exception of the occasional grand military-oriented project. " ignoramus

this is very true in theory, but Reagan also used deficit spending (voodoo economics) and that genie never went back in the bottle. Easy (fiat) money policy is not really "free market". And the real costs of clean air and not using slaves and not supporting oppressive regimes must be added when comparing "global free trade" with the basic trade concepts.

When Wall Street leverages 50:1 and monetary policy drives people into dotcom stocks, the invisible man is trampled. (same with housing bubble, AAArated junk FNM bonds) Add to that $600T+ in unregulated derivatives markets and massive distortions are added. Making sure markets don't crash becomes the driving policy agenda ... and if a bubble pops, the biggest gamblers get bailed out, the invisible man is last.

capitalism is the winner ... but military might and being the reserve currency are big factors. The Chinese are capitalists ... but most of their people are just part of their machinery. (what if using slaves and polluting is not "punished" using law, rather than hope in belief it is inferior for profits and will magically die on its own?)

I've come to the conclusion (mostly) that "raw" capitalism and protecting the individual are not the same thing. War against evil is a must ... as suggested by most of our wars. Capitalism requires much oversight, with liberty at the fore front.

Liberty is the higher virtue, and trade with those that use slaves, pollute and would in time go to war with a free nation .. is "problematic".

Posted by: illiniwek at May 02, 2017 12:27 PM (TmCOq)

302 >>Most Communists never set foot in party headquarters, laid eyes on a

Central Committee member, or were privy to policy-making sessions.Posted by: Lizzy at May 02, 2017 12:20 PM (NOIQH)

Not unlike Harry Reid's attitudes toward the noisome tourist-proles wandering through the Capitol Building, the commies knew something about keeping the People safely removed from the Nice Stuff.

Posted by: General Zod at May 02, 2017 12:27 PM (Bdeb0)

303 I like beet soup. In fact i love the color red.
..............

Then you'll love the color SuperBeets turns your pee.

Posted by: Dana Loesch at May 02, 2017 12:27 PM (HgMAr)

304 296. As Heidegger, Kojeve, and dozens of others pointed out - the West & the USSR were indistinguishable on the level of materialism.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 12:28 PM (TwwWO)

305


To be fair, the Rand piece is not that bad, it touches on Whittaker Chambers.

But every other article appears to be a bit weepy.



Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at May 02, 2017 12:28 PM (/uzc3)

306 Most Communists never set foot in party headquarters, laid eyes on a Central Committee member, or were privy to policy-making sessions. But every rank-and-filer knew that party unionists were crucial to the rise of industrial labor; party lawyers defended blacks in the South; party
organizers lived, worked, and sometimes died with miners in Appalachia; farm workers in California; steel workers in Pittsburgh. What made it all real were the organizations the party built: the International Workers Order, the National Negro Congress, the Unemployment Councils.
Whenever some new world catastrophe announced itself throughout the Depression and World War II, The Daily Worker sold out in minutes.




Why would anyone be opposed to this paradise on earth?!?!?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 12:28 PM (493sH)

307 "You don't get punished for being too fanatical, too pure in your pursuit
of those ideals, but you sure as shit get ridden out of town on a rail
for being insufficiently devoted to universal brotherhood and "from each
according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Dude, you need to move out of whatever hell hole you're stuck in and move to Texas. (But not Austin)

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 12:28 PM (KeRkT)

308 253 Question: What was the leading cause of death in the 20th Century?

Me Motherfuckers!
Posted by: Spanish Flu at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (FZYNt)


Such a gloryhound. I caused a baby boom in the 70's all by myself.

Posted by: Spanish Fly at May 02, 2017 12:28 PM (BT9mr)

309 When I was in Australia (1979) most places put beets on hamburgers unless you specifically told them not to.

Posted by: wth at May 02, 2017 12:29 PM (HgMAr)

310 Reagan also used deficit spending (voodoo economics) and that genie never went back in the bottle.

He did so on the promise and assumption that cuts were coming, which would reduce cost and eliminate the debt. In the first three years of his first term, Reagan was working with the Carter economy of double digit inflation and unemployment. Both were around 20% in my state at the time. So deficit was inevitable, but when the economy turned around, should have been no problem, if congress had kept its word.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 12:29 PM (39g3+)

311 Didn't that guy end up moving to Chicago? Yeah, and he stalked things. At night.


Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 12:22 PM


Kolchak...Night Slav.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 02, 2017 12:29 PM (p+Wdc)

312 Your worship was weak... I shall let you suffer through this...

Posted by: SMOD at May 02, 2017 12:29 PM (DpOmP)

313 311. Heh...they never recovered most of the gold he & his boys looted from Kazan.... hundreds of millions of dollars worth....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 12:31 PM (TwwWO)

314 312 Your worship was weak... I shall let you suffer through this...
Posted by: SMOD at May 02, 2017 12:29 PM (DpOmP)

You suck, SMOD. We begged and pleaded for you to deliver global annihilation, but did you? No. You promised and promised but never showed up or did jack shit. Just like a deity.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:31 PM (0mRoj)

315 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 02, 2017 12:17 PM (TwwWO)

Yes but what I don't get is how the Whites lost the Civil War?

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 02, 2017 12:31 PM (BNXbq)

316 Nazis are worse than commies because they had their discriminatory master race policy. Commies just made a plan and killed anyone in the way of the plan. Murderous and delusional as opposed to murderous and practical. It's like the difference between Jack the Ripper and some gangland hitter. They made it more personal and that's easier to be horrified by.

Posted by: Bavaria Clock Support Line at May 02, 2017 12:31 PM (2UVTb)

317 BEETS BEETS
BEETS
NOTHING BEATS BEETS
BUT MORE BEETS BEATS BEETS
BEETS BEETS BEETS BEETS BEETS
BEAT YO BEETS TO THE FUNKY BEETS BEATS

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 02, 2017 12:32 PM (sgMYt)

318 Nazis are worse than commies because they had their discriminatory master race policy. Commies just made a plan and killed anyone in the way of the plan.

They both had a plan and killed everyone in the way of the plan. Nazis just had worse PR.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (39g3+)

319 Communism. Fascism. Nazism. BLM. Whatever.

It's all Helter Skelter to me

Thank You Barack Obama

Posted by: Charlie Manson at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (DpOmP)

320 You suck, SMOD. We begged and pleaded for you to deliver global annihilation, but did you? No. You promised and promised but never showed up or did jack shit. Just like a deity.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:31 PM (0mRoj)



Better off praying to Jobu.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (SRKgf)

321 >>Murderous and delusional as opposed to murderous and
practical. Posted by: Bavaria Clock Support Line at May 02, 2017 12:31 PM (2UVTb)

Lawful Evil versus Chaotic Evil.

Posted by: General Zod at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (Bdeb0)

322 316 Nazis are worse than commies because they had their discriminatory master race policy. Commies just made a plan and killed anyone in the way of the plan. Murderous and delusional as opposed to murderous and practical. It's like the difference between Jack the Ripper and some gangland hitter. They made it more personal and that's easier to be horrified by.
Posted by: Bavaria Clock Support Line at May 02, 2017 12:31 PM (2UVTb)

Maybe, but Nazis also haven't had the benefit of over 70 years of positive propaganda and public relations efforts by the media, academia, and our own goddamn government.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (0mRoj)

323 LOL. Wankers.
Posted by: Yersinia pestis at May 02, 2017 12:25 PM (CPk0


You have no clue.

Posted by: Gamma Crucis, Thinkin of Goin Nova at May 02, 2017 12:34 PM (CPk08)

324 318 Nazis are worse than commies because they had their discriminatory master race policy. Commies just made a plan and killed anyone in the way of the plan.

They both had a plan and killed everyone in the way of the plan. Nazis just had worse PR.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (39g3+)



The commies killed people on class origin, rather than racial origin. Other than that, they're pretty much of a muchness.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:34 PM (SRKgf)

325 They both had a plan and killed everyone in the way of the plan. Nazis just had worse PR.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (39g3+)


Don't look at me...

Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at May 02, 2017 12:34 PM (DpOmP)

326 320 You suck, SMOD. We begged and pleaded for you to deliver global annihilation, but did you? No. You promised and promised but never showed up or did jack shit. Just like a deity.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:31 PM (0mRoj)


Better off praying to Jobu.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (SRKgf)

I'll give him a cigar. And rum.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:34 PM (0mRoj)

327 Better off praying to Jobu.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (SRKgf)


You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

Posted by: Eddie Harris at May 02, 2017 12:35 PM (DpOmP)

328 Nazis are considered worse than commies because our chattering class were sympathetic to the commies and Uncle Adolph attacked Uncle Joe. They're the ones who wrote the stories (and still do).

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 12:35 PM (oVJmc)

329 Free thinking lefties:

Death to fascists!

Ribbentrop/Molotov deal

Fascists are good guys and our pals.

Operation Barbarossa

Death to fascists!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2017 12:36 PM (493sH)

330 Delusional vs Practical - It doesn't matter to the dead; they're still dead regardless.

Posted by: Strobe at May 02, 2017 12:36 PM (gbWkA)

331 326 320 You suck, SMOD. We begged and pleaded for you to deliver global annihilation, but did you? No. You promised and promised but never showed up or did jack shit. Just like a deity.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:31 PM (0mRoj)


Better off praying to Jobu.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:33 PM (SRKgf)

I'll give him a cigar. And rum.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:34 PM (0mRoj)


I laugh at your prayers and entreaties. I only ask that you die with an axe in your hand.

Posted by: Crom at May 02, 2017 12:36 PM (CPk08)

332 The Whites lost because they split into a bunch of factions that fought each other with no discipline and no overall coordination, while the Reds were focused and united, and were able to knock off all of the various White factions one at a time.

Hmm, sound familiar?

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2017 12:36 PM (KeRkT)

333 328 Nazis are considered worse than commies because our chattering class were sympathetic to the commies and Uncle Adolph attacked Uncle Joe. They're the ones who wrote the stories (and still do).
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 12:35 PM (oVJmc)

All the way back to Walter Duranty, may he be eternally penetrated by the white-hot barbed cock of Satan.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:37 PM (0mRoj)

334 I laugh at your prayers and entreaties. I only ask that you die with an axe in your hand.
Posted by: Crom at May 02, 2017 12:36 PM (CPk0

Like a logging accident?

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:37 PM (0mRoj)

335 "Which I think is the absolutely wrong direction to go. If they had a clue in their vapid heads, they'd go with all local and one page of the rest of the country and world. We live in a strange time when we can more quickly and easily hear about world events than those next door. By the time a news story comes out in the paper, its old and boring. But what's going on at home, that's close and interesting.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor"


Absolutely spot-on.
I would actually pay money for a paper that was 90% news from a 5 or 6 county area, presented without political favoritism.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at May 02, 2017 12:38 PM (KGH7Z)

336
I have formally renounced the Republican Party. I will NEVER vote for another Republican.



Just puttin' that out there...


What else do we got? Pat Paulsun is dead!

Posted by: Paladin at May 02, 2017 12:38 PM (WujO7)

337 328 Nazis are considered worse than commies because our chattering class were sympathetic to the commies and Uncle Adolph attacked Uncle Joe. They're the ones who wrote the stories (and still do).
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 02, 2017 12:35 PM (oVJmc)



The Commies here hated Hitler, then they liked Hitler, then they hated Hitler again.

They probably wished Stalin could have made up his mind.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 02, 2017 12:39 PM (SRKgf)

338 New post that's been up for a while.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2017 12:39 PM (0mRoj)

339 " the governing ideals of our politics and culture are communistic." Schmendrick

true at the base level ... but the Wall Street guys leveraged our markets and abused our currency and bought our government. It looked like "capitalism" but at least on paper they own US. They could not buy the presidency this time, but they still seem to run DC/NY and global policy.

Of course that is what ACTUAL communism is ... a mafia of a few, with their fingers in control of almost every institution. Soros has his fingers in everything ... the billionaires (including the new internet billioniares, which were surely helped along) run the show. The have grabbed lady liberty by the ... kitty.

We are the counter-revolution, waking up (based?) to how far down the rabbit hole we've been taken.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 02, 2017 12:40 PM (TmCOq)

340 Stalin gets a "pass" over Hitler for three reasons and the second one buttresses the first.

1. We were never actually at war with Stalin/USSR. We were allies (after 1941) against Hitler
2. Hitler double- crossed Stalin by invading USSR (which conveniently glosses over the fact that they were allies prior to that.
3. Many influential intellectuals and artists in the US--including many Jews--were totally enamored with Communism in ways they could never be with Nazism.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 02, 2017 12:43 PM (7uYFy)

341 " So deficit was inevitable, but when the economy turned around, should have been no problem, if congress had kept its word. Posted by: C Taylor

yeah, and same with immigration I guess. I don't mean to blame Reagan, just that the debasement of our currency has been steady. Nixon removed us completely from ties to gold.

Volcker seemed to be on a more stable path on monetary policy ... Obama even trotted him out, but he had no major role.

The globalists have been in charge at least since 1988 with Bush. But maybe since? 1913 and the federal reserve? Lots of powerful men in the shadows moving chess pieces around.

Hopefully they are not all pure evil ... but it is certainly not "the belief in capitalism" (versus the cult of communism) as some higher religion that has made us great. I think the constitution is where "we" must focus ... all those liberties for which we fought. That will generate a working form of capitalism, where the invisible man gets his due.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 02, 2017 12:51 PM (TmCOq)

342 I'm reading a biography of Hitler and it's really funny because Hitler was really a Bohemian artist type who slept late and eked out a "living" selling kitschy painted postcards. He didn't appear to have any animosity with Jews--he was friends with a few and a couple of his best customers were Jewish.
Something changed when he went off to WW1. And when Germany lost, he was changed forever.
But I don't believe he ever killed anyone personally. I don't think he had the cruel personality of a Stalin --who actually did shoot enemies after smiling and shaking hands with them.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 02, 2017 12:51 PM (7uYFy)

343 "I wonder why they never run articles about old Nazis getting together to
reminisce about the good old days and sing the Horst Wessel song and
such?"

And I wonder why we do not organize and remember that May 1 is also an official American holiday. Loyalty Day. It is reaffirmed by proclamation by the President every year.

And then I guess it goes back in the drawer.

Posted by: gracepc at May 02, 2017 01:00 PM (OU4q6)

344 "....the Marxist vision of world solidarity ..."

If Marx had ever tried to share a pizza and find Common ground on toppings, he would have realized his vision of world solidarity was impossible.

Posted by: DaveM at May 02, 2017 01:38 PM (FNtbC)

345 This article is right in a sense though; communism does give us a good feel for human nature and humanity's sin. This is what happens when you utterly reject God. This is what you get. The common thread between all the horrific dictators in the 20th century and all their evil was.... atheism.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 02, 2017 11:58 AM (39g3+)
---
One of the things that I enjoyed about the Coen Brothers' Hail, Caesar, is the confidence that Marxism had "history down to a Science", such that a not-too-bright actor played by George Clooney, glibly assumes from that that they know everything that's going to happen.

Posted by: Axeman at May 02, 2017 01:40 PM (2mC6G)

346 All these guys want to be Will Durant.

Posted by: BJ54 at May 02, 2017 04:48 PM (Bed/U)

347 I think it's worth noting (as the Times does) that Communism was far more attractive than Nazism. It seemed (and in some ways intended to be) benevolent. Whereas Nazism was unabashedly villainous. Ultimately that made Communism far more insidious, dangerous, and destructive. And Nazism was so cocky that within ten years they had picked fights with most of the world and evoked great coalition determined to exterminate them.

As to Mao: he doesn't get a pass because he wasn't white, but because he wasn't in Europe. He committed his crimes in a country where the language and even the writing are incomprehensible to outsiders, which had little interaction with the major centers of world culture.

Hitler committed his crimes at center stage, so to speak. And his victims had millions of relatives in the U.S., among them a large portion of America's academic and mass media communities.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that Hitler got more attention.

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at May 03, 2017 11:35 PM (YkV15)

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