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Politico: "Obama's Hidden Iran Giveaway"
Note this is Politico, a fake news outlet that cheers on Democrats, not, say, WND.
When Politico is giving their investigatory piece that headline, you know it's bad -- and you know it's probably worse than they're letting on, or worse than they've yet discovered. Maybe bookmark the piece for reading tonight -- it's very long and detailed. I'll excerpt some stuff but this is just a little bit of it.Obama's Hidden Iran Giveaway By dropping charges against major arms targets, the administration infuriated Justice Department officials -- and undermined its own counterproliferation task forces. By JOSH MEYER 04/24/17 05:00 AM EDTAt the time, the Obama Administration crowed that they had "winnowed" Iran's additional request for more released prisoners down to these harmless seven.
When President Barack Obama announced the "one-time gesture" of releasing Iranian-born prisoners who "were not charged with terrorism or any violent offenses" last year, his administration presented the move as a modest trade-off for the greater good of the Iran nuclear agreement and Tehran’s pledge to free five Americans.
And while this was going on, the Administration was putting DOJ investigations into both new and old Iranian or Iran-affiliated targets into slowdown, throwing sand in the gears at every turn. That's all I can quote. Politico even includes a fact check at the end of the piece comparing Obama's claims about these seven (actually 21) "civilians" (actually spies and illegal arms smugglers) that he released. Basically, Obama released the Rosenbergs in exchange for a promise to not build a nuclear bomb for ten years -- just continue doing all the research, testing, and procurement to build a bomb in ten years. Oh, and then he gave the country the atomic secrets were stolen for $150 billion as seed money for their own Iranian Manhattan Project.
But Obama, the senior official and other administration representatives weren’t telling the whole story on Jan. 17, 2016, in their highly choreographed rollout of the prisoner swap and simultaneous implementation of the six-party nuclear deal, according to a POLITICO investigation. In his Sunday morning address to the American people, Obama portrayed the seven men he freed as "civilians." The senior official described them as businessmen convicted of or awaiting trial for mere "sanctions-related offenses, violations of the trade embargo." In reality, some of them were accused by Obama's own Justice Department of posing threats to national security. Three allegedly were part of an illegal procurement network supplying Iran with U.S.-made microelectronics with applications in surface-to-air and cruise missiles like the kind Tehran test-fired recently, prompting a still-escalating exchange of threats with the Trump administration. Another was serving an eight-year sentence for conspiring to supply Iran with satellite technology and hardware. As part of the deal, U.S. officials even dropped their demand for $10 million that a jury said the aerospace engineer illegally received from Tehran. And in a series of unpublicized court filings, the Justice Department dropped charges and international arrest warrants against 14 other men, all of them fugitives. The administration didn't disclose their names or what they were accused of doing, noting only in an unattributed, 152-word statement about the swap that the U.S. "also removed any Interpol red notices and dismissed any charges against 14 Iranians for whom it was assessed that extradition requests were unlikely to be successful" Three of the fugitives allegedly sought to lease Boeing aircraft for an Iranian airline that authorities say had supported Hezbollah, the U.S.-designated terrorist organization. A fourth, Behrouz Dolatzadeh, was charged with conspiring to buy thousands of U.S.-made assault rifles and illegally import them into Iran. A fifth, Amin Ravan, was charged with smuggling U.S. military antennas to Hong Kong and Singapore for use in Iran. U.S. authorities also believe he was part of a procurement network providing Iran with high-tech components for an especially deadly type of IED used by Shiite militias to kill hundreds of American troops in Iraq. The biggest fish, though, was Seyed Abolfazl Shahab Jamili, who had been charged with being part of a conspiracy that from 2005 to 2012 procured thousands of parts with nuclear applications for Iran via China. That included hundreds of U.S.-made sensors for the uranium enrichment centrifuges in Iran whose progress had prompted the nuclear deal talks in the first place.
When federal prosecutors and agents learned the true extent of the releases, many were shocked and angry. Some had spent years, if not decades, working to penetrate the global proliferation networks that allowed Iranian arms traders both to obtain crucial materials for Tehran's illicit nuclear and ballistic missile programs and, in some cases, to provide dangerous materials to other countries.
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Two 1sts in a day?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 12:41 PM (p+Wdc)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 12:41 PM (p+Wdc)
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Surprise, f---ers!
Posted by: Ben Rhodes at April 24, 2017 12:42 PM (f4GSC)
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You're islamophobic if you stop Iran from getting viable nuclear weapons, Mr. White Nationalist.
Posted by: Erg McMuffin at April 24, 2017 12:42 PM (GgzGa)
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A fourth, Behrouz Dolatzadeh, was charged with conspiring to buy
thousands of U.S.-made assault rifles and illegally import them into
Iran.
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In fairness if you are literally giving guns to narcogangs in Mexico it is kind of hard to prosecute someone else for trying to buy them for an Islamist state, no?
thousands of U.S.-made assault rifles and illegally import them into
Iran.
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In fairness if you are literally giving guns to narcogangs in Mexico it is kind of hard to prosecute someone else for trying to buy them for an Islamist state, no?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2017 12:43 PM (eSx+E)
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Oh sure, I summon the corgis, warn them of the engrayening, and you go and fix it before I get back. I'll just sit over here with my coffee.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 12:43 PM (p+Wdc)
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I heard they gave Pinocchio four Obamas.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 24, 2017 12:43 PM (QtQaN)
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Basically, Obama released the Rosenbergs in exchange for a promise to not build a nuclear bomb for ten years -- just continue doing all the research, testing, and procurement to build a bomb in ten years.
Oh, and then he gave the country the atomic secrets were stolen for $150 billion as seed money for their own Iranian Manhattan Project.
Posted by: Ace at 12:48 PM
===============
"So, you're saying that he's a patriot with America's best interests at heart, right?"
-MSM
Oh, and then he gave the country the atomic secrets were stolen for $150 billion as seed money for their own Iranian Manhattan Project.
Posted by: Ace at 12:48 PM
===============
"So, you're saying that he's a patriot with America's best interests at heart, right?"
-MSM
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 12:44 PM (mC1ZI)
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By the way, remember all the times the left argued in the early 00s that Bush 43 was going to drive all the states in the Middle East to developing nuclear weapons?
Looks like Obama wanted to make sure they do get them.
Looks like Obama wanted to make sure they do get them.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2017 12:44 PM (eSx+E)
10
What we all suspected all along..and there is still much we don't know...makes me sick to my stomach....and hate the Left more and more
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:45 PM (KlI/a)
11
Drip, drip, drip.
Posted by: Peter Rooter at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (bc2Lc)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (riF5p)
13
Republicans are just as responsible for this as obama.
Republicans are just as responsible for this as obama.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (QjPR0)
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Glad this detail is coming out - surprisingly fast, too.
Obama has done so many outrageous things that these additional items are not all that surprising. Hope he burns in hell for this.
Obama has done so many outrageous things that these additional items are not all that surprising. Hope he burns in hell for this.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (NOIQH)
15
Obama is going to be speaking in Chicago on Sunday.
Let's ask him about this.
And Susan Rice. Let's ask him about that as well.
Please.
/oh wait, anyone who would ask those questions would never bee allowed into the city, let alone into His Royal Presence
Let's ask him about this.
And Susan Rice. Let's ask him about that as well.
Please.
/oh wait, anyone who would ask those questions would never bee allowed into the city, let alone into His Royal Presence
Posted by: shibumi at April 24, 2017 12:48 PM (FkAXz)
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at April 24, 2017 12:48 PM (fLMbU)
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>>Republicans are just as responsible for this as obama.
I'd say Ben Rhodes' useful in the MSM are as much, if not more responsible for assisting Obama is getting this thing passed.
I'd say Ben Rhodes' useful in the MSM are as much, if not more responsible for assisting Obama is getting this thing passed.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:48 PM (NOIQH)
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Oh, and then he gave the country the atomic secrets were stolen for $150 billion as seed money for their own Iranian Manhattan Project.
-------
Cash.
In Swiss Francs
On Pallets.
Flown over to Iran on a jet.
By my President.
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Cash.
In Swiss Francs
On Pallets.
Flown over to Iran on a jet.
By my President.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 24, 2017 12:48 PM (8XRCm)
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Obama is a f*cking douchebag traitor who has emboldened and enriched (with hundreds of billions of dollars of our money) America's worst enemies.
With the MSM, Hollywood, and U.S. academia cheering him on loudly from the sidelines.
SMOD, you know what to do.
With the MSM, Hollywood, and U.S. academia cheering him on loudly from the sidelines.
SMOD, you know what to do.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 12:48 PM (riF5p)
20
"Hidden Giveaway."
I guess maybe that's fair, in that they weren't exactly advertising what they were doing, and in fact, downright lying about it.
But many of us were assuming that's what the Valjar Administration was up to, so... not entirely hidden.
I guess maybe that's fair, in that they weren't exactly advertising what they were doing, and in fact, downright lying about it.
But many of us were assuming that's what the Valjar Administration was up to, so... not entirely hidden.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 12:48 PM (TOk1P)
21
You right-wingers and your obsession with a hostile foreign power acquiring high tech weaponry. What about Trump's tax returns!!!
Posted by: Millenius Douchenozel at April 24, 2017 12:49 PM (QtQaN)
22
Republicans are just as responsible for this as obama.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (QjPR0)
No but they are not blameless
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (QjPR0)
No but they are not blameless
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:49 PM (KlI/a)
23
didn't he also threaten to shoot down israeli jets if they attacked Iran?
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 24, 2017 12:49 PM (55//3)
24
Do we detect the influence of the Persian Princess here?
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2017 12:49 PM (0tfLf)
25
Republicans are just as responsible for this as obama
===
What was Cruz' excuse for voting for it again? I forget.
===
What was Cruz' excuse for voting for it again? I forget.
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at April 24, 2017 12:49 PM (fLMbU)
26
I believe Giuliani said Obama does not love America, not the way most of us do. And Rush said, early on in Obama's first term, "This president intends to deliver a bitch slap to America".
Could anyone argue with either of these? Does anyone else shake their head in incredulity that we would elect and re-elect a president of this ilk, and that he would be defended to the last breath by his party, the media, and much of the country (his "consituents")?
Surreal.
Could anyone argue with either of these? Does anyone else shake their head in incredulity that we would elect and re-elect a president of this ilk, and that he would be defended to the last breath by his party, the media, and much of the country (his "consituents")?
Surreal.
Posted by: RM at April 24, 2017 12:50 PM (U3LtS)
27
Where is the screaming fire skull?
Posted by: FarkinClownshoes at April 24, 2017 12:50 PM (X3ClC)
28
Wow. Bet this leads the news at 6:30 tonight on all channels.
Posted by: Spartan Fan at April 24, 2017 12:50 PM (fMfXq)
29
I'm getting dizzy!
Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at April 24, 2017 12:51 PM (CLKfs)
30
I'm gonna repeat what I said on another thread - bombing Iran to smithereens is a good and noble idea.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 12:51 PM (c6/9Q)
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25 Republicans are just as responsible for this as obama
===
What was Cruz' excuse for voting for it again? I forget.
****
you know, if the Gop didn't support this, their consultants said it would lead to a 1000 year reign of socialist corpse eaters or something.
You see how we won the 2016 election right? Must've been right.
===
What was Cruz' excuse for voting for it again? I forget.
****
you know, if the Gop didn't support this, their consultants said it would lead to a 1000 year reign of socialist corpse eaters or something.
You see how we won the 2016 election right? Must've been right.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 24, 2017 12:51 PM (55//3)
32
These are good upstanding citizens.
Remember, according to our government, WE are the terrorists.
Remember, according to our government, WE are the terrorists.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 12:51 PM (28F//)
33
That fuckin asshole should be in prison
Posted by: Getcha Pull at April 24, 2017 12:51 PM (eq5FO)
34
Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 12:51 PM (yMJnb)
35
IDGAF what the JEF has to say, but the damage he's done will last decades.
Posted by: IP at April 24, 2017 12:51 PM (A/Djk)
36
It wasn't a payoff, Iran won that $150 billion in the Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes. Or in cattle futures.
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at April 24, 2017 12:52 PM (BWL+E)
37
lotta treason going on.
If trump was the super hitler we had beeen promised, then obama or at least his anti-EO judges would be charged with treason.
sad.
If trump was the super hitler we had beeen promised, then obama or at least his anti-EO judges would be charged with treason.
sad.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 24, 2017 12:52 PM (55//3)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 12:52 PM (riF5p)
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>>>I'm gonna repeat what I said on another thread - bombing Iran to smithereens is a good and noble idea.
Even better if Israel or the Saudies or both do it!
Even better if Israel or the Saudies or both do it!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 12:53 PM (g38i/)
40
Most Smart Lefties like JEF will cite 1950's CIA meddling almost immediately when talking about Iran. It's actually our own damn fault Iran held our diplomats hostage, conducted assassinations around the world, blew up our troops in Iraq, and now want a nuke so they can blow up Israel. I really don't care what the CIA did - it didn't justify any of this.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at April 24, 2017 12:53 PM (dY21i)
Posted by: V the K at April 24, 2017 12:53 PM (O7MnT)
42
That fuckin asshole should be in prison
Yes. While awaiting his execution for, and I cannot stress this enough, literal treason.
Yes. While awaiting his execution for, and I cannot stress this enough, literal treason.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 12:53 PM (yMJnb)
43
Well its not like Iran is free to develop its ballistic missiles in the meanwhile and share that technology with the Norks.
Posted by: Millenius Douchenozel at April 24, 2017 12:53 PM (QtQaN)
44
Basically, Obama released the Rosenbergs in exchange for a promise to not build a nuclear bomb for ten years -- just continue doing all the research, testing, and procurement to build a bomb in ten years.
Oh, and then he gave the country the atomic secrets were stolen for $150 billion as seed money for their own Iranian Manhattan Project.
But Ohole isn't a goat humping muzzie.
Try again.
Oh, and then he gave the country the atomic secrets were stolen for $150 billion as seed money for their own Iranian Manhattan Project.
But Ohole isn't a goat humping muzzie.
Try again.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 12:54 PM (HBKaX)
45
And yet, and yet -
Because not one fucking person in this administration - not Trump, not Sessions, not Mattis and certainly not the mewling, water-spined homunculi calling themselves Republicans - will touch this for fear of being called names by the MFM. . .
Barack Hussein Obama will not, for one moment, be troubled by probing questions, a Congressional hearing or even a slightly snarky comment.
He will most certainly not be arrested and brought up on charges of high treason.
I'm out. Anything more and Ace would permaban me.
Because not one fucking person in this administration - not Trump, not Sessions, not Mattis and certainly not the mewling, water-spined homunculi calling themselves Republicans - will touch this for fear of being called names by the MFM. . .
Barack Hussein Obama will not, for one moment, be troubled by probing questions, a Congressional hearing or even a slightly snarky comment.
He will most certainly not be arrested and brought up on charges of high treason.
I'm out. Anything more and Ace would permaban me.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 24, 2017 12:54 PM (X6fMO)
46
ACE!!
PLEASE post this vid of stupid Hollywood celerys wise-cracking about this Iran-obama deal!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X7Ma6pXGiw
ACE!!
PLEASE post this vid of stupid Hollywood celerys wise-cracking about this Iran-obama deal!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X7Ma6pXGiw
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:54 PM (QjPR0)
47
What was Cruz' excuse for voting for it again? I forget.
I missed the part where it was voted on, since it's not a treaty.
I missed the part where it was voted on, since it's not a treaty.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 12:55 PM (f4GSC)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 12:55 PM (yMJnb)
49
Feckless is too mild a word to describe Obama and Kerry, and too generous besides.
Posted by: steve walsh at April 24, 2017 12:56 PM (Mv90I)
50
^^
remember that vid??
Watch it again to remind yourselves how much "liberals" are just hateful leftist evil cocksuckers.
^^
remember that vid??
Watch it again to remind yourselves how much "liberals" are just hateful leftist evil cocksuckers.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:56 PM (QjPR0)
51
I'm gonna repeat what I said on another thread - bombing Iran to smithereens is a good and noble idea.
Even better if Israel or the Saudies or both do it!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 12:53 PM (g38i/)
That is what i had in mind, friend, as long as future Haliburton executives (Mattis, McMasters) GTFOUTW.
Even better if Israel or the Saudies or both do it!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 12:53 PM (g38i/)
That is what i had in mind, friend, as long as future Haliburton executives (Mattis, McMasters) GTFOUTW.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 12:56 PM (c6/9Q)
52
>>PLEASE post this vid of stupid Hollywood celerys wise-cracking about this Iran-obama deal!!!
Save a copy of that for the day Iran drops its first nuke(s).
Of all the celebrity propaganda on behalf of the Obama admin over the past 8 years, that one is THE WORST.
Save a copy of that for the day Iran drops its first nuke(s).
Of all the celebrity propaganda on behalf of the Obama admin over the past 8 years, that one is THE WORST.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:56 PM (NOIQH)
53
It wasn't a payoff, Iran won that $150 billion in the Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes. Or in cattle futures.
Their cut of helping the Nigerian prince.
Their cut of helping the Nigerian prince.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 12:57 PM (HBKaX)
54
What was Cruz' excuse for voting for it again? I forget.
I missed the part where it was voted on, since it's not a treaty.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 12:55 PM (f4GSC)
You and me both
I missed the part where it was voted on, since it's not a treaty.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 12:55 PM (f4GSC)
You and me both
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:57 PM (KlI/a)
55
Republicans are just as responsible for this as obama.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (QjPR0)
No but they are not blameless
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:49 PM (KlI/a)
Since 2010 they ran on not offending the delicate sensibilities of voters who loved them some Obama. So yeah, I'm not inclined to argue about amounts of blame.
This is their stank.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (QjPR0)
No but they are not blameless
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:49 PM (KlI/a)
Since 2010 they ran on not offending the delicate sensibilities of voters who loved them some Obama. So yeah, I'm not inclined to argue about amounts of blame.
This is their stank.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 12:57 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:58 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:58 PM (QjPR0)
58
In another development, this was in a NYT story about Comey's motivations:
"The document, which has been described as both a memo and an email, was written by a Democratic operative who expressed confidence that Ms. Lynch would keep the Clinton investigation from going too far, according to several former officials familiar with the document."
Nothing to see here, move along.
If you followed the unfolding Hillary investigation in real time, in retrospect it's clear that Lynch hamstrung the DOJ/FBI investigation of Hillary.
Lynch also insisted that Comey call it a "matter" not an "investigation" for better optics. Which led to the joke: the Federal Bureau of Matters
Comey let this happen. NYT article shows that Comey did what he did because he feared blowback on himself and the FBI, not because of the merits
"The document, which has been described as both a memo and an email, was written by a Democratic operative who expressed confidence that Ms. Lynch would keep the Clinton investigation from going too far, according to several former officials familiar with the document."
Nothing to see here, move along.
If you followed the unfolding Hillary investigation in real time, in retrospect it's clear that Lynch hamstrung the DOJ/FBI investigation of Hillary.
Lynch also insisted that Comey call it a "matter" not an "investigation" for better optics. Which led to the joke: the Federal Bureau of Matters
Comey let this happen. NYT article shows that Comey did what he did because he feared blowback on himself and the FBI, not because of the merits
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (SIY7D)
59
Cruz voted for the motion by congress to try to force the president to give them a vote. The whole thing was idiotic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (39g3+)
60
How else to summon the 12th Iman and bring the Islamic Apocalypse?
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (GJ+Qx)
61
Well, that's bad, but it's not like we had a malignant mole as President.
i mean it's not as though Obama was acting as a agent of a foreign power against American interests, and...
...oh....
Never mind.
Well, that's bad, but it's not like we had a malignant mole as President.
i mean it's not as though Obama was acting as a agent of a foreign power against American interests, and...
...oh....
Never mind.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (9q7Dl)
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Since 2010 they ran on not offending the delicate sensibilities of voters who loved them some Obama. So yeah, I'm not inclined to argue about amounts of blame.
This is their stank.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 12:57 PM (TOk1P)
The are cowardly pussies sure for not fighting Fredo tooth and nail from 2008 on many things..but in the case of the "Iran Deal" that was and is 100% a Left Wing Fredo Deal with NO Republican involvement.
This is their stank.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 12:57 PM (TOk1P)
The are cowardly pussies sure for not fighting Fredo tooth and nail from 2008 on many things..but in the case of the "Iran Deal" that was and is 100% a Left Wing Fredo Deal with NO Republican involvement.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (KlI/a)
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53 It wasn't a payoff, Iran won that $150 billion in the Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes. Or in cattle futures.
Their cut of helping the Nigerian prince.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 12:57 PM (HBKaX)
Nah.... Obama got a call in the Whitehouse, from Iranian Microsoft, saying his computer had been hacked...
and after what happened to Hillary... he HAD to get that taken care of...
Their cut of helping the Nigerian prince.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 12:57 PM (HBKaX)
Nah.... Obama got a call in the Whitehouse, from Iranian Microsoft, saying his computer had been hacked...
and after what happened to Hillary... he HAD to get that taken care of...
Posted by: Don Q. going hmm at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
64
As this stuff comes out more and more, Barky will hit the trail because it's indefensible.
There was another good article, in the NYT of all places, about how Lynch was using the Justice Deparment to kill the Clinton Investigation and undermine the FBI.
There was another good article, in the NYT of all places, about how Lynch was using the Justice Deparment to kill the Clinton Investigation and undermine the FBI.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (h5F/r)
65
this was a "deal" from Kerry, Obama, and Clinton. it didn't go through the Senate. that was one reason it was such a Constitutional mockery.
Still, impeachment wasn't on the table because governing or something.
Still, impeachment wasn't on the table because governing or something.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 24, 2017 01:00 PM (O+oMt)
66
Lizzy, I would not shed a damn tear if Hollywood was bombed by Iran or North Korea.
Problem is that wouldn't solve much of the problem. Most movies aren't actually shot in HWood anymore. The unions are too expensive, so they shoot in Texas or Louisiana, or Canada.
These days, sound stages are positively cheap to build.
Problem is that wouldn't solve much of the problem. Most movies aren't actually shot in HWood anymore. The unions are too expensive, so they shoot in Texas or Louisiana, or Canada.
These days, sound stages are positively cheap to build.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 01:00 PM (yMJnb)
67
There really is no rationale for what Obama did other than he simply hates Israel and wants to see it wiped off the face of the Earth.
I'm really not using hyperbole
I'm really not using hyperbole
Posted by: Maritime at April 24, 2017 01:00 PM (espai)
68
13
Republicans are just as responsible for this as obama.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (QjPR0)
Not at all! Just look at all the trials and convictions for espionage and treason!
Oh... right.
Republicans are just as responsible for this as obama.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:46 PM (QjPR0)
Not at all! Just look at all the trials and convictions for espionage and treason!
Oh... right.
Posted by: rickl at April 24, 2017 01:00 PM (xjiRE)
69
Cruz voted for the motion by congress to try to force the president to give them a vote. The whole thing was idiotic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (39g3+)
Yes I said then and I will sill stand by it, that ALL The Republicans and any Dems with a brain should have just got up and walked out of the Senate instead of even voting on that useless POS
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (39g3+)
Yes I said then and I will sill stand by it, that ALL The Republicans and any Dems with a brain should have just got up and walked out of the Senate instead of even voting on that useless POS
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:00 PM (KlI/a)
70
but Hollywood is the Mecca for all these leftist celebrity shits
First, nuke Mecca.
Then Hollywood.
but Hollywood is the Mecca for all these leftist celebrity shits
First, nuke Mecca.
Then Hollywood.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:02 PM (QjPR0)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 01:02 PM (yMJnb)
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Winnowing!
Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at April 24, 2017 01:03 PM (VFhMt)
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There really is no rationale for what Obama did other than he simply hates Israel and wants to see it wiped off the face of the Earth.
I'm really not using hyperbole
Posted by: Maritime
1. Who hates Israel? Anti-semites
2. Who are the biggest anti-semites? 1.1 BILLION muzzies.
Ergo, Obola is a muzzie.
I'm really not using hyperbole
Posted by: Maritime
1. Who hates Israel? Anti-semites
2. Who are the biggest anti-semites? 1.1 BILLION muzzies.
Ergo, Obola is a muzzie.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 01:03 PM (HBKaX)
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Lizzy, I would not shed a damn tear if Hollywood was bombed by Iran or North Korea.
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We can absorb a terrorist attack.
Lizzy, I would not shed a damn tear if Hollywood was bombed by Iran or North Korea.
>>>
We can absorb a terrorist attack.
Posted by: Obama at April 24, 2017 01:03 PM (wrS2o)
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71 any Dems with a brain
So...
The Republicans, then?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 01:02 PM (yMJnb)
I'm sorry Sir, but the evidence does not support your contention...
Unless you can find enough Republicans with brains (there are a few, but not many)
So...
The Republicans, then?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 01:02 PM (yMJnb)
I'm sorry Sir, but the evidence does not support your contention...
Unless you can find enough Republicans with brains (there are a few, but not many)
Posted by: Don Q. going hmm at April 24, 2017 01:03 PM (NgKpN)
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A repost from July, on point for the Iran deal as well as Fake News:
Recall that earlier this year, The New York Times ran a long piece about Ben Rhodes, the failed novelist who became Obama's key foreign policy adviser (because it's all about building the Narrative, you see). The deep reveal was that the Obamans used leading journalists as dumb Useful Idiots, to be played like ventriloquist's dummies.
This was part of a broader pattern revealed in the article, which focused in depth about how Rhodes made up the narrative that the Iranian treaty came about because, in his infinite wisdom, Obama seized the initiative to foster connections with moderates in the Iranian regime, which was a total fabrication.
Recall that earlier this year, The New York Times ran a long piece about Ben Rhodes, the failed novelist who became Obama's key foreign policy adviser (because it's all about building the Narrative, you see). The deep reveal was that the Obamans used leading journalists as dumb Useful Idiots, to be played like ventriloquist's dummies.
This was part of a broader pattern revealed in the article, which focused in depth about how Rhodes made up the narrative that the Iranian treaty came about because, in his infinite wisdom, Obama seized the initiative to foster connections with moderates in the Iranian regime, which was a total fabrication.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 24, 2017 01:03 PM (SIY7D)
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Building a wall on our open border won't make us safe.
But allowing our enemy Iran to make nukes will make us safer.
That's the logic we're fighting here. And we're losing the argument.
Building a wall on our open border won't make us safe.
But allowing our enemy Iran to make nukes will make us safer.
That's the logic we're fighting here. And we're losing the argument.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:03 PM (QjPR0)
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38 That fuckin asshole should be in prison
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Or hanging from a lamppost.
............. and Soros swinging next to him.
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Or hanging from a lamppost.
............. and Soros swinging next to him.
Posted by: DaveD at April 24, 2017 01:04 PM (P5fqQ)
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Since 2010 they ran on not offending the delicate sensibilities of voters who loved them some Obama. So yeah, I'm not inclined to argue about amounts of blame.
This is their stank.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 12:57 PM (TOk1P)
The are cowardly pussies sure for not fighting Fredo tooth and nail from 2008 on many things..but in the case of the "Iran Deal" that was and is 100% a Left Wing Fredo Deal with NO Republican involvement.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (KlI/a)
So the President signs treaties that aren't treaties, and funds cash giveaways to foreign countries without Congressional oversight.
The No Republican Involvement is THE m-fing problem here.
This is their stank.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 12:57 PM (TOk1P)
The are cowardly pussies sure for not fighting Fredo tooth and nail from 2008 on many things..but in the case of the "Iran Deal" that was and is 100% a Left Wing Fredo Deal with NO Republican involvement.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (KlI/a)
So the President signs treaties that aren't treaties, and funds cash giveaways to foreign countries without Congressional oversight.
The No Republican Involvement is THE m-fing problem here.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:04 PM (TOk1P)
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Uaa
I missed the part where it was voted on, since it's not a treaty.
Posted by: gewa76
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Oh yeah.
Here it is.
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, released the following statement regarding votes on the Iran Nuclear Review Act:
"This bill was a missed opportunity. If Congress had acted to defend our constitutional authority- if Congress had adopted the Cruz-Toomey amendment - then we would be able to stop a bad Iran deal. Instead, the odds are now overwhelming that under these ground rules President Obama will negotiate, and Congress will acquiesce to, a terrible deal that allows Iran to acquire nuclear weapons and will endanger the lives of millions of Americans and our allies.
"I voted no on cloture because we should have insisted on amendments to put real teeth in this bill. Ultimately, I voted yes on final passage because it may delay, slightly, President Obama's ability to lift the Iran sanctions and it ensures we will have a Congressional debate on the merits of the Iran deal.
I missed the part where it was voted on, since it's not a treaty.
Posted by: gewa76
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Oh yeah.
Here it is.
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, released the following statement regarding votes on the Iran Nuclear Review Act:
"This bill was a missed opportunity. If Congress had acted to defend our constitutional authority- if Congress had adopted the Cruz-Toomey amendment - then we would be able to stop a bad Iran deal. Instead, the odds are now overwhelming that under these ground rules President Obama will negotiate, and Congress will acquiesce to, a terrible deal that allows Iran to acquire nuclear weapons and will endanger the lives of millions of Americans and our allies.
"I voted no on cloture because we should have insisted on amendments to put real teeth in this bill. Ultimately, I voted yes on final passage because it may delay, slightly, President Obama's ability to lift the Iran sanctions and it ensures we will have a Congressional debate on the merits of the Iran deal.
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at April 24, 2017 01:04 PM (fLMbU)
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The good news in, When Iran launches a nuke at us, it will only count as a single extremist incident.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 24, 2017 01:04 PM (oGRue)
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There really is no rationale for what Obama did other than he simply hates Israel and wants to see it wiped off the face of the Earth.
I'm really not using hyperbole
Well, you left out the part about Obama being a Muslim and hating the United States. Other than that, you were correct.
I'm really not using hyperbole
Well, you left out the part about Obama being a Muslim and hating the United States. Other than that, you were correct.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (ewSN2)
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I guess people elected him out of masochism. I hope we got that out of our system.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (vRcUp)
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I'm sorry Sir, but the evidence does not support your contention...
The original comment said "all the Republicans and any Dems with a brain." I was assuming "with a brain" modified only "any Dems."
I may have been mistaken, however.
The original comment said "all the Republicans and any Dems with a brain." I was assuming "with a brain" modified only "any Dems."
I may have been mistaken, however.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (yMJnb)
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Hey, if you didn't want to be killed by Muslims, you should have had your mother abort you.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (CMbMd)
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>>First, nuke Mecca.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:02 PM (QjPR0)
The large-scale equivalent of sticking a Black Cat in an anthill. Explosion, confusion, mass unfocused insanity, lots of death.
And, for the savvy modern-day Cecil Rhodes speculator, eventual stupefying profit.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:02 PM (QjPR0)
The large-scale equivalent of sticking a Black Cat in an anthill. Explosion, confusion, mass unfocused insanity, lots of death.
And, for the savvy modern-day Cecil Rhodes speculator, eventual stupefying profit.
Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (Bdeb0)
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but Hollywood is the Mecca for all these leftist celebrity sh*ts
First, nuke Mecca.
Then Hollywood.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:02 PM (QjPR0)
I have determined that Anna Kendrick is to be the mother of my children. So y'all can nook Hollowwood if you want, just make sure it's a date when Anna is out of town.
First, nuke Mecca.
Then Hollywood.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:02 PM (QjPR0)
I have determined that Anna Kendrick is to be the mother of my children. So y'all can nook Hollowwood if you want, just make sure it's a date when Anna is out of town.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:06 PM (TOk1P)
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73 There really is no rationale for what Obama did other than he simply hates Israel and wants to see it wiped off the face of the Earth.
I'm really not using hyperbole
Posted by: Maritime
1. Who hates Israel? Anti-semites
2. Who are the biggest anti-semites? 1.1 BILLION muzzies.
Ergo, Obola is a muzzie.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 01:03 PM (HBKaX)
It makes sense if you are a dyed in the wool leftist who believes in your own BS. The idea is to give the 'downtrodden', the afflicted of the world (Muslims and third world nations) nukes so that they can no longer be 'pushed around' by the evil western powers. If they then use the nukes to destroy the only liberal democracy in the whole region, this is just omelette : eggs.
I'm really not using hyperbole
Posted by: Maritime
1. Who hates Israel? Anti-semites
2. Who are the biggest anti-semites? 1.1 BILLION muzzies.
Ergo, Obola is a muzzie.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 01:03 PM (HBKaX)
It makes sense if you are a dyed in the wool leftist who believes in your own BS. The idea is to give the 'downtrodden', the afflicted of the world (Muslims and third world nations) nukes so that they can no longer be 'pushed around' by the evil western powers. If they then use the nukes to destroy the only liberal democracy in the whole region, this is just omelette : eggs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (+c7tK)
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>>And, for the savvy modern-day Cecil Rhodes speculator, eventual stupefying profit. Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (Bdeb0)
Not that anyone gets wealthy blowing up anthills with firecrackers. That's where the wheels come off the analogy. Still, if House Saud could be replaced by a well-armed petroleum pirate class, things would be much more innaresting...
Not that anyone gets wealthy blowing up anthills with firecrackers. That's where the wheels come off the analogy. Still, if House Saud could be replaced by a well-armed petroleum pirate class, things would be much more innaresting...
Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (Bdeb0)
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Building a wall on our open border won't make us safe.
But allowing our enemy Iran to make nukes will make us safer.
That's the logic we're fighting here...
Actually, that's a red herring.
Once you begin to grasp that they DON'T CARE AT ALL whether we're "safe", you begin to understand that those who make those faux arguments are the enemy.
But allowing our enemy Iran to make nukes will make us safer.
That's the logic we're fighting here...
Actually, that's a red herring.
Once you begin to grasp that they DON'T CARE AT ALL whether we're "safe", you begin to understand that those who make those faux arguments are the enemy.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (ewSN2)
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Jeeb Ace, it's Monday, you're working too hard.
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2017 01:08 PM (2WITp)
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Obama wants Iran to have nuclear weapons because the West is bad and the Crusades and shit.
Posted by: steevy at April 24, 2017 01:08 PM (r/0kC)
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In reality, some of them were accused by Obama's own Justice Department of posing threats to national security.
It's treason. No one wants to say it.
It's treason. No one wants to say it.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 24, 2017 01:09 PM (i0ykY)
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Gag.. a FB friend is gushing on about Obama. I don't know how much longer I can keep looking at her vapid, stupid posts.
Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at April 24, 2017 01:10 PM (zRZaJ)
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82 There really is no rationale for what Obama did other than he simply hates Israel and wants to see it wiped off the face of the Earth.
I'm really not using hyperbole
Well, you left out the part about Obama being a Muslim and hating the United States. Other than that, you were correct.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (ewSN2)
Obama's too much of a cigarette-smoking, alcohol-drinking, gay-sex-loving, shari'ah-violating shit-for-brains to be accepted into Islamic Heaven, so the only way for him to be a Muslim is if he is indeed the Mahdi, existing just to usher in the end of the world.
Otherwise he's just an anti-Semitic, Islam-sympathizing shit-for-brains puppet of The Iranian Valerie Jarrett.
I'm really not using hyperbole
Well, you left out the part about Obama being a Muslim and hating the United States. Other than that, you were correct.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (ewSN2)
Obama's too much of a cigarette-smoking, alcohol-drinking, gay-sex-loving, shari'ah-violating shit-for-brains to be accepted into Islamic Heaven, so the only way for him to be a Muslim is if he is indeed the Mahdi, existing just to usher in the end of the world.
Otherwise he's just an anti-Semitic, Islam-sympathizing shit-for-brains puppet of The Iranian Valerie Jarrett.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:10 PM (CMbMd)
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It's treason. No one wants to say it.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 24, 2017 01:09 PM (i0ykY)
Since September 12, 2012.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 24, 2017 01:09 PM (i0ykY)
Since September 12, 2012.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 01:10 PM (yMJnb)
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So when we give the Presidency to a guy that hung out with the guy in his neighborhood, When he sought out Marxists to sit at the knee at. When He went country to country apologizing for America deeds To the world.
What did we expect?
srsly isn't This what we were afraid of?
Sad it was true.
What did we expect?
srsly isn't This what we were afraid of?
Sad it was true.
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 01:11 PM (4lrrm)
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Once you begin to grasp that they DON'T CARE AT ALL whether we're "safe", you begin to understand that those who make those faux arguments are the enemy.
You're right.
The teacher (me) is schooled by the student (you).
Once you begin to grasp that they DON'T CARE AT ALL whether we're "safe", you begin to understand that those who make those faux arguments are the enemy.
You're right.
The teacher (me) is schooled by the student (you).
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:11 PM (QjPR0)
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Obama had the ability to lift the sanctions without Congressional approval. That was because of the idiocy of Congress before Obama became President.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:11 PM (Z9mio)
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Alright. Back to working at work.
Dammit.
Dammit.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 01:12 PM (yMJnb)
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 01:12 PM (4lrrm)
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May everyone of those involved in this betrayal of America and the world suffer a slowly metastasizing incurable flesh eating bacteria. Starting with Gaylord Merkin Focker the Worst.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 01:12 PM (p6l+P)
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Soon enough we're gonna be seeing those smug little "Miss Me Yet?" Obama bumperstickers...
Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)
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96 It's treason. No one wants to say it.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 24, 2017 01:09 PM (i0ykY)
Since September 12, 2012.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 01:10 PM (yMJnb)
And the event that day was...?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 24, 2017 01:09 PM (i0ykY)
Since September 12, 2012.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at April 24, 2017 01:10 PM (yMJnb)
And the event that day was...?
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at April 24, 2017 01:13 PM (RD7QR)
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Once you begin to grasp that they DON'T CARE AT ALL whether we're "safe", you begin to understand that those who make those faux arguments are the enemy.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (ewSN2)
Exactly, the whole point was to make us feel/be unsafe. Leftists believe that the only reason we can interfere with impunity in other nations is that those nations do not have the power to reach us.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (ewSN2)
Exactly, the whole point was to make us feel/be unsafe. Leftists believe that the only reason we can interfere with impunity in other nations is that those nations do not have the power to reach us.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 24, 2017 01:13 PM (+c7tK)
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Soon enough we're gonna be seeing those smug little "Miss Me Yet?" Obama bumper stickers...
Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)
________
nope, sure don't
Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)
________
nope, sure don't
Posted by: IP at April 24, 2017 01:13 PM (A/Djk)
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 01:13 PM (4lrrm)
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How did obama get his mits on $150 billion in cash without Congress, and President Trump can't even get a measley billion out of Congress legally??
The answer, in part, is this: Congress knew and aided and abetted in that $150B payout.
How did obama get his mits on $150 billion in cash without Congress, and President Trump can't even get a measley billion out of Congress legally??
The answer, in part, is this: Congress knew and aided and abetted in that $150B payout.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:13 PM (QjPR0)
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81 The good news in, When Iran launches a nuke at us, it will only count as a single extremist incident.
__________________
A lone wolf attack. The motive may never be known.
__________________
A lone wolf attack. The motive may never be known.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 01:13 PM (riF5p)
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obama got many billions, perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars without Congress' (official and legal) approval.
Where the fark is the investigation??
obama got many billions, perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars without Congress' (official and legal) approval.
Where the fark is the investigation??
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:14 PM (QjPR0)
Posted by: IP at April 24, 2017 01:15 PM (A/Djk)
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Here's what I don't get: Even if you give Obama the benefit of the doubt and say this was more about securing a FP legacy than a deliberate act of treason;
What's his legacy gonna be when it's obvious this is a replay of the Assad-CW sham?
They will have bribed Iran not to develop nuclear weapons, Iran has taken the bribe and will develop nukes, and the Obama-ites will go the press, saying, "We always knew they weren't stopping their nuclear weapons program."
I'm vexed. Terribly vexed.
What's his legacy gonna be when it's obvious this is a replay of the Assad-CW sham?
They will have bribed Iran not to develop nuclear weapons, Iran has taken the bribe and will develop nukes, and the Obama-ites will go the press, saying, "We always knew they weren't stopping their nuclear weapons program."
I'm vexed. Terribly vexed.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 01:15 PM (f4GSC)
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look people, we can afford to lose those so disposable peoples from the world citizenry.
especially from Israel and the U.S.
all for the good of a handful of stuffed pockets.
especially from Israel and the U.S.
all for the good of a handful of stuffed pockets.
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 01:15 PM (4lrrm)
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"28 Wow. Bet this leads the news at 6:30 tonight on all channels.
Posted by: Spartan Fan"
Need the Ben Roethlisberger sock to explain why this is funny.
Posted by: Spartan Fan"
Need the Ben Roethlisberger sock to explain why this is funny.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 24, 2017 01:15 PM (OD2ni)
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The billions that Iran received, wasn't that money assets frozen oh way back when Carter was President and he was trying to 'act tough' after the Iranians seized the US Embassy in Tehran?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 01:16 PM (p6l+P)
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83 I guess people elected him out of masochism. I hope we got that out of our system.
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That and he was the ultimate Affirmative Action hire.
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That and he was the ultimate Affirmative Action hire.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 01:16 PM (vg8iE)
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Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (+c7tK)
Well, in part.
But, this is really part of the Democrat/Progtard plan that states:
That having the US as the one superpower in the world endangers the planet and makes war more possible and makes them feel all oogy inside.
So, the world needs to be broken up into "Spheres of Influence" with 5-6 "superpowers running each area.
That's the impetus behind giving Iran the means and funds to build ICBM nukes,
so they can stand and evenly throw punches with the US.
(TFG's ROE for the ME indicates the same mindset. It stripped all of our technological and military advantages to the bone so muslim terrorists had a better shot at killing and wounding American soldiers cuz fairness)
Go back and look at the statements by both Prez Clinton and Madeline Albright.
At the time, that was their logic for making sure China got our nuclear sub secrets, thought they didn't quite phrase it that way.
Longterm plans coming to fruition.
Meanwhile, the Reps are in a circlejerk of fecklessness.
Well, in part.
But, this is really part of the Democrat/Progtard plan that states:
That having the US as the one superpower in the world endangers the planet and makes war more possible and makes them feel all oogy inside.
So, the world needs to be broken up into "Spheres of Influence" with 5-6 "superpowers running each area.
That's the impetus behind giving Iran the means and funds to build ICBM nukes,
so they can stand and evenly throw punches with the US.
(TFG's ROE for the ME indicates the same mindset. It stripped all of our technological and military advantages to the bone so muslim terrorists had a better shot at killing and wounding American soldiers cuz fairness)
Go back and look at the statements by both Prez Clinton and Madeline Albright.
At the time, that was their logic for making sure China got our nuclear sub secrets, thought they didn't quite phrase it that way.
Longterm plans coming to fruition.
Meanwhile, the Reps are in a circlejerk of fecklessness.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2017 01:16 PM (9q7Dl)
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105 Once you begin to grasp that they DON'T CARE AT ALL whether we're "safe", you begin to understand that those who make those faux arguments are the enemy.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (ewSN2)
Exactly, the whole point was to make us feel/be unsafe. Leftists believe that the only reason we can interfere with impunity in other nations is that those nations do not have the power to reach us.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 24, 2017 01:13 PM (+c7tK)
Don't forget, they're still committed to the Bill Ayers "Millions upon Millions of Americans must be killed off" (Ayers wanted 25 Million dead, but that was based off of 1970s population numbers).
Having Iran be the ones to do the deed gives them a way to say that they aren't to blame, even though they are.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (ewSN2)
Exactly, the whole point was to make us feel/be unsafe. Leftists believe that the only reason we can interfere with impunity in other nations is that those nations do not have the power to reach us.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 24, 2017 01:13 PM (+c7tK)
Don't forget, they're still committed to the Bill Ayers "Millions upon Millions of Americans must be killed off" (Ayers wanted 25 Million dead, but that was based off of 1970s population numbers).
Having Iran be the ones to do the deed gives them a way to say that they aren't to blame, even though they are.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:17 PM (CMbMd)
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A summary of some of the politico comments:
1. This story is fake and will blow over.
2. Trump! RUSSIA!!!
3. Sure, Obama may have stretched the truth, but Trump lies EVERY SINGLE DAY!!
4. This is all fake news to appease the Saudis
5. This is the Republicans fault and they are all criminals
6. This deal stopped a WAR!!!!
1. This story is fake and will blow over.
2. Trump! RUSSIA!!!
3. Sure, Obama may have stretched the truth, but Trump lies EVERY SINGLE DAY!!
4. This is all fake news to appease the Saudis
5. This is the Republicans fault and they are all criminals
6. This deal stopped a WAR!!!!
Posted by: shibumi at April 24, 2017 01:17 PM (FkAXz)
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1. Iran is cheating, working night and day to build nukes no matter what they say.
2. The Iran Deal was intended to provide them the political cover needed until they succeed.
3. To Comrade O, the terrorist nation with nukes who must be stopped is America, not Iran.
4. Nukes have 3 steps;
the energy from fissile materal
the triggers, detonaters, casing, etc.
the missiles to deliver
The Deal only covers the energy part. So they are building the other two openly and the first secretly.
It's a feature, not a bug, Politico. Your boy is on the Other Team.
2. The Iran Deal was intended to provide them the political cover needed until they succeed.
3. To Comrade O, the terrorist nation with nukes who must be stopped is America, not Iran.
4. Nukes have 3 steps;
the energy from fissile materal
the triggers, detonaters, casing, etc.
the missiles to deliver
The Deal only covers the energy part. So they are building the other two openly and the first secretly.
It's a feature, not a bug, Politico. Your boy is on the Other Team.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 01:17 PM (m6qV1)
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I'd like to have a complete accounting of all the funds spent by Obama and an accounting to all those groupies , their names, who owned what and all the beneficiaries
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 01:17 PM (4lrrm)
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"The billions that Iran received, wasn't that money assets frozen oh way back when Carter was President"
Yes. But we gave up the lawsuit and (coincidentally) Iran released some prisoners, the release of whom should have happened as a pre-condition for negotiations.
And we gave some of the money in pallets of hard cash, because you need hard cash to fund terrorism
Yes. But we gave up the lawsuit and (coincidentally) Iran released some prisoners, the release of whom should have happened as a pre-condition for negotiations.
And we gave some of the money in pallets of hard cash, because you need hard cash to fund terrorism
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 24, 2017 01:18 PM (SIY7D)
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So the President signs treaties that aren't treaties, and funds cash giveaways to foreign countries without Congressional oversight.
The No Republican Involvement is THE m-fing problem here.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:04 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah and what would you have proposed they do? It's fine to scream and yell and kick and stamp,,,but what concrete action would you have suggested the Republicans do when he shove this shit on America?
The No Republican Involvement is THE m-fing problem here.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:04 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah and what would you have proposed they do? It's fine to scream and yell and kick and stamp,,,but what concrete action would you have suggested the Republicans do when he shove this shit on America?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:18 PM (KlI/a)
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people He did this right in front of our face.
and Politco darling, you already had part of the info which you choose to ignore to prop your love child up.
and Politco darling, you already had part of the info which you choose to ignore to prop your love child up.
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 01:19 PM (4lrrm)
125
ACE!!
PLEASE post this vid of stupid Hollywood celerys wise-cracking about this Iran-obama deal!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X7Ma6pXGiw
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:54 PM (QjPR0)
That was pretty funny. It's difficult to do really good farce.
PLEASE post this vid of stupid Hollywood celerys wise-cracking about this Iran-obama deal!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X7Ma6pXGiw
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:54 PM (QjPR0)
That was pretty funny. It's difficult to do really good farce.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:19 PM (zc3Db)
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I will say again with no-shit gravity, folks:
Anyone who thinks the government of Israel--Likud, Labour, or otherwise--will sit idly by as the Iranians gain the bomb is deluded.
Make of my comment what you will.
Anyone who thinks the government of Israel--Likud, Labour, or otherwise--will sit idly by as the Iranians gain the bomb is deluded.
Make of my comment what you will.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 24, 2017 01:19 PM (B+qrE)
127
Worked hard and failed,now all I can say is I threw it all away. Oh, I was just a boy, giving it all away...
Posted by: Baba O'Barky at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (vtcmf)
128
Hmm - stomped in the last briefly lived thread :
OK - not looking at Obama's speech, nor will I click on any link that
reports it, nor will I pay even a smidgen of attention to that disgusting
SCOAMF. (of which this Iran thing only confirms). One of the most pleasant things about his being out of the White
House is that I do not have to give a shit about him anymore. Luckily,
the Sh*t Midas' presence on the national scene will only galvanize
everyone on continuing down the anti-SJW, drain the swamp path.
Oh
- and, btw, calling BS on the previous post on the GAO "right
wing"extremism" being a much bigger problem in the US than actual
Islamic terrorism. First of all - it's a "post 9/11" list. See? Apart
from those 3,000+ of our countrymen murdered by Islamic Terrorism things
are just peachy keen with islam - those White supremacists? They are
the REAL problem they have killed 106 people since then in deliberate
coordinated terrorist attacks!! (apart from that Mrs. Lincoln - how was the play?).
Of course if you look at the actual
statistics it is clear that every person who was a "white supremacist"
who killed anyone, for any reason, was put into the database. Also
included? Skinhead gangs who killed others in prison fights! Seriously?
This is the same problem as the Tsarnaev brothers blowing people up in
the Boston Marathon?). Oh - and white gangs killing people as part of
gang initiation? Yep! Domestic terrorism!! ( Black gangs killing whites?
Oh that is totes A-OK btw - we don't keep that stat - nope. so we are
all good - thought you'd like to know). Also - a lot of the "domestic
terror" events are split into multiple events even when they should not
be (couple goes on killing spree in Vegas in one day - kills a few
people one end of the trip - then drives to the other kills a few more -
2 incidents!- huh?).
So my take away - even with that vigorous
massage (hand-job?) on the statistics - islamic terrorists have still
killed more people since 2001 (119) than "domestic "right wing"
terrorism (106) and of the 106 "right wing" deaths/incidents most are
bullshit, uncoordinated gang activity, or the activity of clearly crazy
people - not a coordinated terrorist movement. Add in 9/11 and you see
that from 2000 onward 3,115 people have been killed in islamic terror
attacks. "Right Wing" terrorist attacks would, therefore, be 3.4% of
that total and islamic terror would account for 96.6% - now that is a
statistic! But don't look for that to be reported any time soon.
Also - interestingly - anyone who was anti-globalist is also considered "right -wing" - so - Occupy Wall street was a "right wing" operation? Who knew!?!
OK - not looking at Obama's speech, nor will I click on any link that
reports it, nor will I pay even a smidgen of attention to that disgusting
SCOAMF. (of which this Iran thing only confirms). One of the most pleasant things about his being out of the White
House is that I do not have to give a shit about him anymore. Luckily,
the Sh*t Midas' presence on the national scene will only galvanize
everyone on continuing down the anti-SJW, drain the swamp path.
Oh
- and, btw, calling BS on the previous post on the GAO "right
wing"extremism" being a much bigger problem in the US than actual
Islamic terrorism. First of all - it's a "post 9/11" list. See? Apart
from those 3,000+ of our countrymen murdered by Islamic Terrorism things
are just peachy keen with islam - those White supremacists? They are
the REAL problem they have killed 106 people since then in deliberate
coordinated terrorist attacks!! (apart from that Mrs. Lincoln - how was the play?).
Of course if you look at the actual
statistics it is clear that every person who was a "white supremacist"
who killed anyone, for any reason, was put into the database. Also
included? Skinhead gangs who killed others in prison fights! Seriously?
This is the same problem as the Tsarnaev brothers blowing people up in
the Boston Marathon?). Oh - and white gangs killing people as part of
gang initiation? Yep! Domestic terrorism!! ( Black gangs killing whites?
Oh that is totes A-OK btw - we don't keep that stat - nope. so we are
all good - thought you'd like to know). Also - a lot of the "domestic
terror" events are split into multiple events even when they should not
be (couple goes on killing spree in Vegas in one day - kills a few
people one end of the trip - then drives to the other kills a few more -
2 incidents!- huh?).
So my take away - even with that vigorous
massage (hand-job?) on the statistics - islamic terrorists have still
killed more people since 2001 (119) than "domestic "right wing"
terrorism (106) and of the 106 "right wing" deaths/incidents most are
bullshit, uncoordinated gang activity, or the activity of clearly crazy
people - not a coordinated terrorist movement. Add in 9/11 and you see
that from 2000 onward 3,115 people have been killed in islamic terror
attacks. "Right Wing" terrorist attacks would, therefore, be 3.4% of
that total and islamic terror would account for 96.6% - now that is a
statistic! But don't look for that to be reported any time soon.
Also - interestingly - anyone who was anti-globalist is also considered "right -wing" - so - Occupy Wall street was a "right wing" operation? Who knew!?!
Posted by: Publius REdux at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (Fb9aZ)
Posted by: Golfman at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (48QDY)
130
How did obama get his mits on $150 billion in cash without Congress, and President Trump can't even get a measley billion out of Congress legally??
I think it came from frozen Iranian assets and not congress
How did obama get his mits on $150 billion in cash without Congress, and President Trump can't even get a measley billion out of Congress legally??
I think it came from frozen Iranian assets and not congress
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (lKyWE)
131
So the President signs treaties that aren't treaties, and funds cash giveaways to foreign countries without Congressional oversight.
The No Republican Involvement is THE m-fing problem here.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:04 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah and what would you have proposed they do? It's fine to scream and yell and kick and stamp,,,but what concrete action would you have suggested the Republicans do when he shove this sh*t on America?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:18 PM (KlI/a)
Their jobs.
The No Republican Involvement is THE m-fing problem here.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:04 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah and what would you have proposed they do? It's fine to scream and yell and kick and stamp,,,but what concrete action would you have suggested the Republicans do when he shove this sh*t on America?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:18 PM (KlI/a)
Their jobs.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (TOk1P)
132
They want America reduced to the size and strength of other second world countries.
Graft and corruption is tougher to hide in the first world.
Graft and corruption is tougher to hide in the first world.
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (fLMbU)
133
Anyone who thinks the government of Israel--Likud, Labour, or otherwise--will sit idly by as the Iranians gain the bomb is deluded.
Make of my comment what you will.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 24, 2017 01:19 PM (B+qrE)
A) Maybe
B) That already might have "The Bomb"
C) Maybe
Make of my comment what you will.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 24, 2017 01:19 PM (B+qrE)
A) Maybe
B) That already might have "The Bomb"
C) Maybe
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (KlI/a)
134
Anyone who thinks the government of Israel--Likud, Labour, or otherwise--will sit idly by as the Iranians gain the bomb is deluded.
===============
If they really wanted to get all responsible parties, they'd have to bomb Tehran, DC and Chicago and throw in NY for good measure.
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If they really wanted to get all responsible parties, they'd have to bomb Tehran, DC and Chicago and throw in NY for good measure.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (vg8iE)
135
I will continue to say this every time someone brings up the JEF.
Barack Obama is the Mahdi (or at least thinks he is).
Barack Obama is the Mahdi (or at least thinks he is).
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (CMbMd)
136
,but what concrete action would you have suggested the Republicans do when he shove this shit on America?
Make a damn case against to The People!
How's that for a start? Republicans passively and weakly opposed obama for 8 years. Their opposition was pathetic.
,but what concrete action would you have suggested the Republicans do when he shove this shit on America?
Make a damn case against to The People!
How's that for a start? Republicans passively and weakly opposed obama for 8 years. Their opposition was pathetic.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (QjPR0)
137
Their jobs.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah nice sound bite.
So you have no real suggestion?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah nice sound bite.
So you have no real suggestion?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (KlI/a)
138
ps; when I say Obama is on the Other Team, I mean exactly that.
He's not feckless, reckless, naive, gullible, blind, stupid, etc.
HE'S ON THEIR TEAM, NOT OURS.
He's not feckless, reckless, naive, gullible, blind, stupid, etc.
HE'S ON THEIR TEAM, NOT OURS.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 01:22 PM (m6qV1)
139
people He did this right in front of our face.
and Politco darling, you already had part of the info which you choose to ignore to prop your love child up.
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 01:19 PM (4lrrm)
Exactly. Which is why this "Hidden" thing is so misleading. Everybody knew what he was doing. Nobody did anything to stop him.
President let's his Iranian puppetmaster treat the White House like her own private dictatorship, and nobody stopped him.
and Politco darling, you already had part of the info which you choose to ignore to prop your love child up.
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 01:19 PM (4lrrm)
Exactly. Which is why this "Hidden" thing is so misleading. Everybody knew what he was doing. Nobody did anything to stop him.
President let's his Iranian puppetmaster treat the White House like her own private dictatorship, and nobody stopped him.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:23 PM (TOk1P)
140
Democrats have no problem opposing Bush/Trump and the Republicans on Everything.
Democrats make a federal case out of everything the Republicans want to do. Democrats say "we're opposed to this idea and here's why..."
Republicans sit on their thumbs.
Democrats have no problem opposing Bush/Trump and the Republicans on Everything.
Democrats make a federal case out of everything the Republicans want to do. Democrats say "we're opposed to this idea and here's why..."
Republicans sit on their thumbs.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:23 PM (QjPR0)
141
Make a damn case against to The People!
How's that for a start? Republicans passively and weakly opposed obama for 8 years. Their opposition was pathetic.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (QjPR0)
The American people WERE against this.
And other than walk out like I suggested
What would you have had them do?
By this late in the Admin, the Train has left the Station
That is what happens when 52% of the American People put that fuck Fredo back in Office
Elections have consequences
How's that for a start? Republicans passively and weakly opposed obama for 8 years. Their opposition was pathetic.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (QjPR0)
The American people WERE against this.
And other than walk out like I suggested
What would you have had them do?
By this late in the Admin, the Train has left the Station
That is what happens when 52% of the American People put that fuck Fredo back in Office
Elections have consequences
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (KlI/a)
142
sigh
Posted by: The Scorpion at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: josephistan at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (7HtZB)
144
138 ps; when I say Obama is on the Other Team, I mean exactly that.
He's not feckless, reckless, naive, gullible, blind, stupid, etc.
HE'S ON THEIR TEAM, NOT OURS.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 01:22 PM (m6qV1)
He grew up Sunni in Indonesia, but chose to give The Bomb not to a Sunni nation, but to the Shi'ites.
His goal is the Apocalypse.
He's not feckless, reckless, naive, gullible, blind, stupid, etc.
HE'S ON THEIR TEAM, NOT OURS.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 01:22 PM (m6qV1)
He grew up Sunni in Indonesia, but chose to give The Bomb not to a Sunni nation, but to the Shi'ites.
His goal is the Apocalypse.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (CMbMd)
145
Their jobs.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah nice sound bite.
So you have no real suggestion?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (KlI/a)
I have suggestions.
I don't think you want to hear them.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah nice sound bite.
So you have no real suggestion?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:21 PM (KlI/a)
I have suggestions.
I don't think you want to hear them.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (TOk1P)
146
Hate has no home in Tehran.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (U6f54)
147
138 ps; when I say Obama is on the Other Team, I mean exactly that.
He's not feckless, reckless, naive, gullible, blind, stupid, etc.
HE'S ON THEIR TEAM, NOT OURS.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 01:22 PM (m6qV1)
Actually he is all those things. "And"
He's not feckless, reckless, naive, gullible, blind, stupid, etc.
HE'S ON THEIR TEAM, NOT OURS.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 01:22 PM (m6qV1)
Actually he is all those things. "And"
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (+c7tK)
148
I have suggestions.
I don't think you want to hear them.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (TOk1P)
LOL, I would probably agree with most of them...It's Bob over at the NSA that neither of us want him to over hear.
I don't think you want to hear them.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (TOk1P)
LOL, I would probably agree with most of them...It's Bob over at the NSA that neither of us want him to over hear.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:25 PM (KlI/a)
149
Thanks, Tennessee.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:25 PM (LTHVh)
150
Barack Obama is still a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 24, 2017 01:26 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Chris M at April 24, 2017 01:26 PM (eAZVt)
152
iggy pop daid it best. "blah, blah, blah." til somebody is swingin from a lampost i really don't give a shit anymore. the rot goes deep.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 24, 2017 01:26 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:26 PM (QjPR0)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 01:26 PM (HBKaX)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 01:28 PM (p6l+P)
156
Democrats have no problem opposing Bush/Trump and the Republicans on Everything.
Democrats make a federal case out of everything the Republicans want to do. Democrats say "we're opposed to this idea and here's why..."
Republicans sit on their thumbs.
--
"Bashing the other party is unprofessional and leads to heart feelings. Plus, if we're mean to them, they'll stop inviting us to their super fun parties."
--GOPe, led by Paul Ryan and John McCain
Democrats make a federal case out of everything the Republicans want to do. Democrats say "we're opposed to this idea and here's why..."
Republicans sit on their thumbs.
--
"Bashing the other party is unprofessional and leads to heart feelings. Plus, if we're mean to them, they'll stop inviting us to their super fun parties."
--GOPe, led by Paul Ryan and John McCain
Posted by: shibumi at April 24, 2017 01:28 PM (FkAXz)
157
Barack Obama, Gavrilo Princip, and Adolf Hitler walk into a bar.....
Posted by: Lord Sir x at April 24, 2017 01:28 PM (5S1b4)
158
So can we know the details of the Iran deal now?
Posted by: Iblis at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (9221z)
159
Barack Obama, Gavrilo Princip, and Adolf Hitler walk into a bar.....
Hey! There's only 3 nuts between the three of us.
Hey! There's only 3 nuts between the three of us.
Posted by: A. Hitler at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (LTHVh)
160
99 Obama had the ability to lift the sanctions without Congressional approval. That was because of the idiocy of Congress before Obama became President.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:11 PM (Z9mio)
---------------------------------
BINGO.
This is just one more pathetic instance of Congress ceding power to the executive (or judiciary) out of laziness and/or fear of taking responsibility.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:11 PM (Z9mio)
---------------------------------
BINGO.
This is just one more pathetic instance of Congress ceding power to the executive (or judiciary) out of laziness and/or fear of taking responsibility.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (0jtPF)
161
I've said it before but the leftists really believe the next 9/11 will happen in Omaha--not NYC or San Fransisco.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
162
158 So can we know the details of the Iran deal now?
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All details will be revealed during the nuclear winter.
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All details will be revealed during the nuclear winter.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (vg8iE)
163
seen on twitter: all senators are off to 1600 Penn on Wednesday to hear out Tullerson, Mattis, Coats, Dunford. topic: Kim Jong Un.
@reuterszengerle
something is up
@reuterszengerle
something is up
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (O+oMt)
164
>>>Posted by: Publius REdux at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (Fb9aZ)
Did you read the GAO report? It was not intended, nor does it anywhere in the report, attempt to argue that one form of violent extremism is more or less dangerous than another. It simply assesses how federal CVE (countering violent extremism) efforts have a strategy or evaluate progress. The report acknowledges that the most fatalities from violent extremism were on September 11 in the first paragraph. Shoulda left that in the last thread, as it wasn't worth bringing over here.
Did you read the GAO report? It was not intended, nor does it anywhere in the report, attempt to argue that one form of violent extremism is more or less dangerous than another. It simply assesses how federal CVE (countering violent extremism) efforts have a strategy or evaluate progress. The report acknowledges that the most fatalities from violent extremism were on September 11 in the first paragraph. Shoulda left that in the last thread, as it wasn't worth bringing over here.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (g38i/)
165
161 I've said it before but the leftists really believe the next 9/11 will happen in Omaha--not NYC or San Fransisco.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
Well, that's where they would do it.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
Well, that's where they would do it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (+c7tK)
166
A fool and our money are soon parted.
Posted by: The United States at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (j1Wvr)
167
All the Republicans ever cared about was making sure the Demoncrats tossed a little bit of cash their way after selling out the country.
As long as they got a cut of the vig, that's all that mattered to them.
As long as they got a cut of the vig, that's all that mattered to them.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:32 PM (CMbMd)
168
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (g38i/)
So you think that was a fair and balance report?
So you think that was a fair and balance report?
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:32 PM (Z9mio)
169
Yeah and what would you have proposed they do? It's
fine to scream and yell and kick and stamp,,,but what concrete action
would you have suggested the Republicans do when he shove this shit on
America?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:18 PM (KlI/a)
I would have hoped that they would have reminded Obama that the Senate has to approve treaties after telling him this was a treaty whether Obama wanted to admit it or not THEN I would have hoped that they would have sent notice to all negotiators of the same thing.
What was NOT an acceptable response was what they did... which was pass a bill that basically turned the whole notion of Senatorial consent on treaties on its head.
fine to scream and yell and kick and stamp,,,but what concrete action
would you have suggested the Republicans do when he shove this shit on
America?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:18 PM (KlI/a)
I would have hoped that they would have reminded Obama that the Senate has to approve treaties after telling him this was a treaty whether Obama wanted to admit it or not THEN I would have hoped that they would have sent notice to all negotiators of the same thing.
What was NOT an acceptable response was what they did... which was pass a bill that basically turned the whole notion of Senatorial consent on treaties on its head.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (geAkB)
170
I've said it before but the leftists really believe the next 9/11 will happen in Omaha--not NYC or San Fransisco.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
__________
My guess is Minneapolis.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
__________
My guess is Minneapolis.
Posted by: IP at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (A/Djk)
171
Achmed, come on down!
Posted by: Baba O'Barky at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (vtcmf)
172
So can we know the details of the Iran deal now?
Posted by: Iblis at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (9221z)
Selective assasination and things that go bang in the night would be a good start
Posted by: Iblis at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (9221z)
Selective assasination and things that go bang in the night would be a good start
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (KlI/a)
173
seen on twitter: all senators are off to 1600 Penn on Wednesday to hear
out Tullerson, Mattis, Coats, Dunford. topic: Kim Jong Un.
@reuterszengerle
something is up
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (O+oMt)
"Gentlemen of the Senate, we have come to conclusion that KJU is nucking futs. Now, to our luncheon."
seen on twitter: all senators are off to 1600 Penn on Wednesday to hear
out Tullerson, Mattis, Coats, Dunford. topic: Kim Jong Un.
@reuterszengerle
something is up
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (O+oMt)
"Gentlemen of the Senate, we have come to conclusion that KJU is nucking futs. Now, to our luncheon."
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (c6/9Q)
174
You know, hot cocoa with Old Forester Prohibition Bourbon ain't half bad.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (prVmP)
Posted by: Widespread Panic at April 24, 2017 01:34 PM (2qHjF)
176
It simply assesses how federal CVE (countering violent extremism) efforts have a strategy
No wonder the fedgov hasn't been able to stop muzzies. They're not even looking for them.
No wonder the fedgov hasn't been able to stop muzzies. They're not even looking for them.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 01:34 PM (HBKaX)
177
Did you read the GAO report? It was not intended,
nor does it anywhere in the report, attempt to argue that one form of
violent extremism is more or less dangerous than another. It simply
assesses how federal CVE (countering violent extremism) efforts have a
strategy or evaluate progress. The report acknowledges that the most
fatalities from violent extremism were on September 11 in the first
paragraph. Shoulda left that in the last thread, as it wasn't worth
bringing over here.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (g38i/)
The report is based on (likely deliberately) erroneous data.
nor does it anywhere in the report, attempt to argue that one form of
violent extremism is more or less dangerous than another. It simply
assesses how federal CVE (countering violent extremism) efforts have a
strategy or evaluate progress. The report acknowledges that the most
fatalities from violent extremism were on September 11 in the first
paragraph. Shoulda left that in the last thread, as it wasn't worth
bringing over here.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (g38i/)
The report is based on (likely deliberately) erroneous data.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:34 PM (geAkB)
178
How did obama get his mits on $150 billion in cash without Congress, and President Trump can't even get a measley billion out of Congress legally??
I think it came from frozen Iranian assets and not congress
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (lKyWE)
No. In fact, Barky and his junta had to go through all sorts of illegal machinations to find the cash - the cold, hard cash - to load it up on pallets and secrectly deliver it in the middle of the night to iran.
Further, it was delivered in Euros - because even Barky and his America-hating junta weren't able to get those billions in actual greenbacks.
I think it came from frozen Iranian assets and not congress
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (lKyWE)
No. In fact, Barky and his junta had to go through all sorts of illegal machinations to find the cash - the cold, hard cash - to load it up on pallets and secrectly deliver it in the middle of the night to iran.
Further, it was delivered in Euros - because even Barky and his America-hating junta weren't able to get those billions in actual greenbacks.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:34 PM (zc3Db)
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Spicer Up.
Posted by: WisRich at April 24, 2017 01:35 PM (hdpay)
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The report is based on (likely deliberately) erroneous data.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:34 PM (geAkB)
whatever makes you say that ?? look at the great job they did with O-care estimates !!
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:34 PM (geAkB)
whatever makes you say that ?? look at the great job they did with O-care estimates !!
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 01:35 PM (c6/9Q)
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I can't bear to read the whole piece. Just tell me when I need to get a Margarita in the blender going prior to SMOD's arrival.
Posted by: Cheri at April 24, 2017 01:35 PM (oiNtH)
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"Gentlemen of the Senate, we have come to conclusion that KJU is nucking futs. Now, to our luncheon."
Al Franken, "Did that idiot just say Kaiju? Godzilla is around?"
Al Franken, "Did that idiot just say Kaiju? Godzilla is around?"
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 01:35 PM (p6l+P)
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So can we know the details of the Iran deal now?
Posted by: Iblis at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (9221z)
Selective assasination and things that go bang in the night would be a good start
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (KlI/a)
I'd go pretty loose on the "selective" part. Perhaps "wholesale" better describes what I'd like to see?
Posted by: Iblis at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (9221z)
Selective assasination and things that go bang in the night would be a good start
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (KlI/a)
I'd go pretty loose on the "selective" part. Perhaps "wholesale" better describes what I'd like to see?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:35 PM (zc3Db)
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I have suggestions.
I don't think you want to hear them.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (TOk1P)
LOL, I would probably agree with most of them...It's Bob over at the NSA that neither of us want him to over hear.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:25 PM (KlI/a)
Throw me a bone here, guys. You can't imagine what it's like: 'What do you got for us today, Bob? Find anything good, Bob? Have you thought about your career path, Bob?'
I mean, come on. Baby needs a new pair of shoes.
I don't think you want to hear them.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 01:24 PM (TOk1P)
LOL, I would probably agree with most of them...It's Bob over at the NSA that neither of us want him to over hear.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:25 PM (KlI/a)
Throw me a bone here, guys. You can't imagine what it's like: 'What do you got for us today, Bob? Find anything good, Bob? Have you thought about your career path, Bob?'
I mean, come on. Baby needs a new pair of shoes.
Posted by: Bob at the NSA at April 24, 2017 01:36 PM (Fw5cQ)
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So.. Valery Jarret's loyalties to her motherland were strong right down to the end, eh?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 24, 2017 01:37 PM (so+oy)
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Me and Nation of Islam totes don't teach and encourage black people that rape and murder of the inferior subspecies whites Devils is ok.
Tootles.
Tootles.
Posted by: Louis Farakanabooboo at April 24, 2017 01:37 PM (2qHjF)
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170 I've said it before but the leftists really believe the next 9/11 will happen in Omaha--not NYC or San Fransisco.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
__________
My guess is Minneapolis.
Posted by: IP at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (A/Djk)
Not gonna happen. I don't see foreign actors intentionally picking a Muslim Hotbed (Minneapolis, Detroit, Dearborn, etc.) to terrorize.
I'm thinking it ends up being somewhere in Florida, for some reason.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
__________
My guess is Minneapolis.
Posted by: IP at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (A/Djk)
Not gonna happen. I don't see foreign actors intentionally picking a Muslim Hotbed (Minneapolis, Detroit, Dearborn, etc.) to terrorize.
I'm thinking it ends up being somewhere in Florida, for some reason.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:37 PM (CMbMd)
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The report is based on (likely deliberately) erroneous data.
And deliberately reductive. They ignored all incidents that weren't either White Supremacist or Islamic Terrorism. Also they limited it to deaths. And "incidents". Basically the report is useless for either description or proscription. It's a Democratic Media Talking Point.
And deliberately reductive. They ignored all incidents that weren't either White Supremacist or Islamic Terrorism. Also they limited it to deaths. And "incidents". Basically the report is useless for either description or proscription. It's a Democratic Media Talking Point.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:37 PM (LTHVh)
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And that, children, is why he was awarded the Nobel Participation Prize.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 01:38 PM (Nwg0u)
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I've said it before but the leftists really believe the next 9/11 will happen in Omaha--not NYC or San Fransisco.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
I'm not sure they really believe it. They're just cowards, and it's easier to fight imaginary enemies than true existential threats.
The real Islamophobia is exemplified by lefties bending the knee to muslims, because they're afraid of getting their heads chopped off.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
I'm not sure they really believe it. They're just cowards, and it's easier to fight imaginary enemies than true existential threats.
The real Islamophobia is exemplified by lefties bending the knee to muslims, because they're afraid of getting their heads chopped off.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 01:38 PM (f4GSC)
Posted by: Gronk at April 24, 2017 01:38 PM (48QDY)
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I honestly think that Obama being forced to watch the ruination of his "legacy" and being unable to stop it or prevent the ensuing publicity world be more painful and humiliating than actual imprisonment.
I want to see this, and wish him a long healthy life until the last vestiges of his presidency are relegated to the trash.
I honestly think that Obama being forced to watch the ruination of his "legacy" and being unable to stop it or prevent the ensuing publicity world be more painful and humiliating than actual imprisonment.
I want to see this, and wish him a long healthy life until the last vestiges of his presidency are relegated to the trash.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 24, 2017 01:38 PM (S/hVx)
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whatever makes you say that ?? look at the great job they did with O-care estimates !!
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 01:35 PM (c6/9Q)
Cause if you click through to the data, they are seriously padding the number of "far right violent extremism" incidents with garden variety murders and even gang violence in prisons (but only white gang violence... there is no mention of the many, many incidents of black or Hispanic gang violence in prisons).
Anything to support the narrative, I guess.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 01:35 PM (c6/9Q)
Cause if you click through to the data, they are seriously padding the number of "far right violent extremism" incidents with garden variety murders and even gang violence in prisons (but only white gang violence... there is no mention of the many, many incidents of black or Hispanic gang violence in prisons).
Anything to support the narrative, I guess.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:39 PM (geAkB)
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Al Franken, "Did that idiot just say Kaiju? Godzilla is around?"
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 01:35 PM (p6l+P)
"Al, here some fugu for you. yes , a japanese delicacy ..."
(am i gonna get banned for this ????)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 01:35 PM (p6l+P)
"Al, here some fugu for you. yes , a japanese delicacy ..."
(am i gonna get banned for this ????)
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 01:39 PM (c6/9Q)
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161 I've said it before but the leftists really believe the next 9/11 will happen in Omaha--not NYC or San Fransisco.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
They think the Muzzies give a shit about this red state-blue state crap? The Boston bombers didn't travel to Texas to do their damage - plenty of infidels in deep blue MA.
That cop who was shot in Paris was a gay rights activist who had worked with refugees. However, he didn't get the chance to volunteer that information to the Muzzie who shot him - and if he had, it wouldn't have made the slightest difference.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 01:30 PM (ZQpd0)
They think the Muzzies give a shit about this red state-blue state crap? The Boston bombers didn't travel to Texas to do their damage - plenty of infidels in deep blue MA.
That cop who was shot in Paris was a gay rights activist who had worked with refugees. However, he didn't get the chance to volunteer that information to the Muzzie who shot him - and if he had, it wouldn't have made the slightest difference.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 24, 2017 01:39 PM (s7vJs)
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Between this and the latest on the leaks showing how the Dems were going to cheat in the general election, one would think the media would be going crazy.
But that would require real reporters digging up and reporting real news.
The reality is this is third world methodology and the media is bought and paid for.
But that would require real reporters digging up and reporting real news.
The reality is this is third world methodology and the media is bought and paid for.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2017 01:40 PM (0tfLf)
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I still think the next big attack will be a mall attack during a Christmas season.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:40 PM (Z9mio)
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I would have hoped that they would have reminded Obama that the Senate has to approve treaties after telling him this was a treaty whether Obama wanted to admit it or not THEN I would have hoped that they would have sent notice to all negotiators of the same thing.
What was NOT an acceptable response was what they did... which was pass a bill that basically turned the whole notion of Senatorial consent on treaties on its head.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (geAkB)
???
Like what?
What was NOT an acceptable response was what they did... which was pass a bill that basically turned the whole notion of Senatorial consent on treaties on its head.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (geAkB)
???
Like what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:40 PM (KlI/a)
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I honestly think that Obama being forced to watch the ruination of his "legacy" and being unable to stop it or prevent the ensuing publicity world be more painful and humiliating than actual imprisonment.
I want to see this, and wish him a long healthy life until the last vestiges of his presidency are relegated to the trash.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 24, 2017 01:38 PM (S/hVx)
I really could not give a shit about Barky's feelings of humiliation. Frankly, he demonstrated over and over that he is immune to humiliation.
I just want to see him held to the letter of the law and the book thrown at him.
I want to see this, and wish him a long healthy life until the last vestiges of his presidency are relegated to the trash.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 24, 2017 01:38 PM (S/hVx)
I really could not give a shit about Barky's feelings of humiliation. Frankly, he demonstrated over and over that he is immune to humiliation.
I just want to see him held to the letter of the law and the book thrown at him.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (zc3Db)
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Greatest 12th Imam Evah!
Posted by: ShainS at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (Q2q/j)
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>>>So you think that was a fair and balance report?
What were the report's recommendations and how do you disagree with them?
What were the report's recommendations and how do you disagree with them?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (g38i/)
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I wonder if it's a coincidence that Politico puts this story out on the day that Obama returns from his "gaycation.'
Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (7uYFy)
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Crates of money totalling billions, free path to building nukes, ended sanctions, and set free spies.
What did we get out of this "negotiation," again?
What did we get out of this "negotiation," again?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (39g3+)
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198 I would have hoped that they would have reminded Obama that the Senate has to approve treaties after telling him this was a treaty whether Obama wanted to admit it or not THEN I would have hoped that they would have sent notice to all negotiators of the same thing.
What was NOT an acceptable response was what they did... which was pass a bill that basically turned the whole notion of Senatorial consent on treaties on its head.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (geAkB)
???
Like what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:40 PM (KlI/a)
Corker's bill made it so that instead of needing 60 votes to PASS the Iran Deal, they now needed 60 votes to STOP the Iran Deal.
What was NOT an acceptable response was what they did... which was pass a bill that basically turned the whole notion of Senatorial consent on treaties on its head.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:33 PM (geAkB)
???
Like what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:40 PM (KlI/a)
Corker's bill made it so that instead of needing 60 votes to PASS the Iran Deal, they now needed 60 votes to STOP the Iran Deal.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (CMbMd)
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But that would require real reporters digging up and reporting real news.
The reality is this is third world methodology and the media is bought and paid for.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2017 01:40 PM (0tfLf)
The Hell you say...
What about BOR?
The reality is this is third world methodology and the media is bought and paid for.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2017 01:40 PM (0tfLf)
The Hell you say...
What about BOR?
Posted by: Mona Charen, Bill Kristol,etc. at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (48QDY)
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Obama could lose the support of millions but would still have millions of people who will kiss his ass. He will never feel humiliation . He is a narcissist. They don't do humiliation.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:43 PM (Z9mio)
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"Gentlemen of the Senate, we have come to conclusion that KJU is nucking futs. Now, to our luncheon."
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Oh, we're not national security guards. We're national security monitors.
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Oh, we're not national security guards. We're national security monitors.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 01:43 PM (Nwg0u)
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Corker's bill made it so that instead of needing 60 votes to PASS the Iran Deal, they now needed 60 votes to STOP the Iran Deal.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (CMbMd)
As I said over and over again and the first minute when Corker posted that POS I would have gotten up and walked out on that POS.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (CMbMd)
As I said over and over again and the first minute when Corker posted that POS I would have gotten up and walked out on that POS.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:44 PM (KlI/a)
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"And in a series of unpublicized court filings, the Justice Department dropped charges and international arrest warrants against 14 other men, all of them fugitives."
...If only there were some type of group or organization that had people in it whose job it was to uncover and "publicize" such things. Oh well.
...If only there were some type of group or organization that had people in it whose job it was to uncover and "publicize" such things. Oh well.
Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at April 24, 2017 01:44 PM (CLKfs)
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Corker's bill made it so that instead of needing 60 votes to PASS the Iran Deal, they now needed 60 votes to STOP the Iran Deal
Except it wasn't a treaty, so they didn't need any votes to do anything on it. It was an attempt to give congress some say in what the president was doing.
Sanctions =/= treaty, the deal was to end the sanctions.
They just did it all wrong and ended up looking idiotic.
Except it wasn't a treaty, so they didn't need any votes to do anything on it. It was an attempt to give congress some say in what the president was doing.
Sanctions =/= treaty, the deal was to end the sanctions.
They just did it all wrong and ended up looking idiotic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:45 PM (39g3+)
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He is a narcissist. They don't do humiliation.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:43 PM (Z9mio)
No. No. His wax wings will melt when he gets to close to the sun.
Oh. Wait.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:43 PM (Z9mio)
No. No. His wax wings will melt when he gets to close to the sun.
Oh. Wait.
Posted by: Mona Charen, Bill Kristol,etc. at April 24, 2017 01:45 PM (48QDY)
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I really could not give a shit about Barky's feelings of humiliation. Frankly, he demonstrated over and over that he is immune to humiliation.
I just want to see him held to the letter of the law and the book thrown at him.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (zc3Db)
He's extremely thin skinned so I doubt he's immune to humiliation.
I really could not give a shit about Barky's feelings of humiliation. Frankly, he demonstrated over and over that he is immune to humiliation.
I just want to see him held to the letter of the law and the book thrown at him.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (zc3Db)
He's extremely thin skinned so I doubt he's immune to humiliation.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 24, 2017 01:46 PM (lKyWE)
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Crates of money totalling billions, free path to building nukes, ended sanctions, and set free spies.
What did we get out of this "negotiation," again?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (39g3+)
But Trump once said "pussy." Which makes him the worst president in history.
Let's keep our priorities straight.
What did we get out of this "negotiation," again?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (39g3+)
But Trump once said "pussy." Which makes him the worst president in history.
Let's keep our priorities straight.
Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at April 24, 2017 01:46 PM (CLKfs)
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If only there were some type of group or organization that had people in it whose job it was to uncover and "publicize" such things. Oh well.
Yeah it would have to be a big network of people working to find, write about, and publicize information useful to the American people in decisionmaking, critical for a democracy. You could even make money at it, publishing regular journals and maybe TV shows. I mean, you could even dedicate entire cable networks to this kind of effort.
Yeah it would have to be a big network of people working to find, write about, and publicize information useful to the American people in decisionmaking, critical for a democracy. You could even make money at it, publishing regular journals and maybe TV shows. I mean, you could even dedicate entire cable networks to this kind of effort.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:46 PM (39g3+)
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the deal was to end the sanctions.
Not all of which are at the President's discretion. In many cases, he broke the law. A daily statement from the Republican's pointing out that the President was a criminal would have been welcomed by me whether it had any practical effect or not.
Not all of which are at the President's discretion. In many cases, he broke the law. A daily statement from the Republican's pointing out that the President was a criminal would have been welcomed by me whether it had any practical effect or not.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:47 PM (LTHVh)
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Yeah it would have to be a big network of people working to find, write about, and publicize information useful to the American people in decisionmaking, critical for a democracy. You could even make money at it, publishing regular journals and maybe TV shows. I mean, you could even dedicate entire cable networks to this kind of effort.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:46 PM (39g3+)
We're on it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:46 PM (39g3+)
We're on it.
Posted by: TMZ at April 24, 2017 01:47 PM (48QDY)
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So you think that was a fair and balance report?
What were the report's recommendations and how do you disagree with them?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (g38i/)
Well, since they didn't even bother to vet the data and make sure it was correct, any conclusions they drew were off too. Since most of their recommendations dwelled on "community outreach" rather than, oh lets say, tightening immigration standards to keep out jihadists, I for one have a big problem with those recommendations.
And that does not even begin to touch on the stupidity of the FBI focusing their "anti-terrorism" training on combatting the threat of Tea Partiers because of this stupid "analysis".
What were the report's recommendations and how do you disagree with them?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (g38i/)
Well, since they didn't even bother to vet the data and make sure it was correct, any conclusions they drew were off too. Since most of their recommendations dwelled on "community outreach" rather than, oh lets say, tightening immigration standards to keep out jihadists, I for one have a big problem with those recommendations.
And that does not even begin to touch on the stupidity of the FBI focusing their "anti-terrorism" training on combatting the threat of Tea Partiers because of this stupid "analysis".
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (geAkB)
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Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (CMbMd)
I believe it was a bad gambit but it was an attempt to delay or limit what Obama already had the power to do. Of course there were other things they could have done that were constitutional or legally questionable that could have delayed the deal . But of course the GOP doesn't play hardball like the Left to their and our detriment.
I believe it was a bad gambit but it was an attempt to delay or limit what Obama already had the power to do. Of course there were other things they could have done that were constitutional or legally questionable that could have delayed the deal . But of course the GOP doesn't play hardball like the Left to their and our detriment.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (Z9mio)
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (fLMbU)
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'We would like to work with President Obama on blah blah blah but his continued criminality makes this difficult.'
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (LTHVh)
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re Corker; They should have opened Impeachment Hearings.
btw, no American is allowed to inspect. For an "American" deal, that's kinda' odd, huh?
btw, no American is allowed to inspect. For an "American" deal, that's kinda' odd, huh?
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (m6qV1)
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. Of course there were other things they could have done that were constitutional or legally questionable that could have delayed the deal .
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (Z9mio)
Like what?
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (Z9mio)
Like what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (KlI/a)
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Except it wasn't a treaty, so they didn't need any
votes to do anything on it. It was an attempt to give congress some say
in what the president was doing.
Sanctions =/= treaty, the deal was to end the sanctions.
They just did it all wrong and ended up looking idiotic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:45 PM (39g3+)
It was a treaty and covered far more than sanctions.
votes to do anything on it. It was an attempt to give congress some say
in what the president was doing.
Sanctions =/= treaty, the deal was to end the sanctions.
They just did it all wrong and ended up looking idiotic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:45 PM (39g3+)
It was a treaty and covered far more than sanctions.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (geAkB)
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Speaking of budding nuclear countries, according to the Canada Free Press, Trump has invited the entire Senate to a briefing on North Korea.
Hmmm.
I can't remember the last time that happened.
Hmmm.
I can't remember the last time that happened.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (3myMJ)
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He grew up Sunni in Indonesia, but chose to give The Bomb not to a Sunni nation, but to the Shi'ites.
His goal is the Apocalypse.
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So he was immanentizing the eschaton.
His goal is the Apocalypse.
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So he was immanentizing the eschaton.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (Nwg0u)
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Isn't Barry wonderful? He's going to take questions about Trump at his little presentation today.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (vg8iE)
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Like what?
Are we refighting this? I'm pretty sure we had threads and threads at the time with people suggesting actions and Republican toadys toadying.
Are we refighting this? I'm pretty sure we had threads and threads at the time with people suggesting actions and Republican toadys toadying.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (LTHVh)
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With the Nork situation still heating up, I'm hoping that PDT will go to Congress first before attacking over a new nuke test or ballistic missile launch. I can see no current AUMF that would justify this. He's gonna need that cover and backing if the Norks wildly escalate which is a real possibility.
Now if the Norks actually attack US assets, then fuckitall and blow their shit up.
Now if the Norks actually attack US assets, then fuckitall and blow their shit up.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 24, 2017 01:51 PM (wTwJ2)
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Are we refighting this? I'm pretty sure we had
threads and threads at the time with people suggesting actions and
Republican toadys toadying.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (LTHVh)
We did.
threads and threads at the time with people suggesting actions and
Republican toadys toadying.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (LTHVh)
We did.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:51 PM (geAkB)
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I don't see foreign actors intentionally picking a Muslim Hotbed (Minneapolis, Detroit, Dearborn, etc.) to terrorize.
I don't rule out total incompetence. The accidental "crossing of the streams" as is were, of an IED of a particularly dirty type.
I don't rule out total incompetence. The accidental "crossing of the streams" as is were, of an IED of a particularly dirty type.
Posted by: IP at April 24, 2017 01:51 PM (A/Djk)
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It was a treaty and covered far more than sanctions.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (geAkB)
Nice try. But no it was not classified as a treaty by he Legal President of the United States at the time...right or wrong.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (geAkB)
Nice try. But no it was not classified as a treaty by he Legal President of the United States at the time...right or wrong.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:51 PM (KlI/a)
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Corker's bill made it so that instead of needing 60 votes to PASS the Iran Deal, they now needed 60 votes to STOP the Iran Deal.
The deal was going through regardless. Obama wouldn't let a little thing like congressional disapproval stop him. The Corker bill was about accountability.
In this case, when the shit hits the fan, Obama can't even say, "I wanted to take action (e.g. missile strikes in Syria), but congress wouldn't let me." This is his baby, 100%.
The deal was going through regardless. Obama wouldn't let a little thing like congressional disapproval stop him. The Corker bill was about accountability.
In this case, when the shit hits the fan, Obama can't even say, "I wanted to take action (e.g. missile strikes in Syria), but congress wouldn't let me." This is his baby, 100%.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 01:52 PM (f4GSC)
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ok, Major Garrett, what an ass.
Garrett: Trump didn't get everything done in his first 100 days! He's clearly a failure Sean, wouldn't you agree?
Spicer: No.
Garrett: Oh yeah, he's a failure, why won't you agree with me?
Garrett: Trump didn't get everything done in his first 100 days! He's clearly a failure Sean, wouldn't you agree?
Spicer: No.
Garrett: Oh yeah, he's a failure, why won't you agree with me?
Posted by: WisRich at April 24, 2017 01:52 PM (hdpay)
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It was a treaty and covered far more than sanctions.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (geAkB)
Nice try. But no it was not classified as a treaty by he Legal President of the United States at the time...right or wrong.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:51 PM (KlI/a)
The President may have a lot of power but he does not get to turn a treaty into not a treaty through rhetorical slight of hand.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (geAkB)
Nice try. But no it was not classified as a treaty by he Legal President of the United States at the time...right or wrong.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:51 PM (KlI/a)
The President may have a lot of power but he does not get to turn a treaty into not a treaty through rhetorical slight of hand.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (geAkB)
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Are we refighting this? I'm pretty sure we had
threads and threads at the time with people suggesting actions and
Republican toadys toadying.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (LTHVh)
And I never heard any realistic suggestions then either...This was set in stone from the moment that fuck Fredo was re-elected.
threads and threads at the time with people suggesting actions and
Republican toadys toadying.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (LTHVh)
And I never heard any realistic suggestions then either...This was set in stone from the moment that fuck Fredo was re-elected.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (KlI/a)
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (3myMJ)
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Gosh, will accept financial analyst report recommendations that I know has garbage data input, garbage analysis based on that data, and garbage conclusions flowing thereafter ? Hmmm, tough, tough call.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (HBKaX)
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Well, Clinton and Carter gave the NorKs nukes; Obama didn't want to be outdone.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (klDIs)
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226 Isn't Barry wonderful? He's going to take questions about Trump at his little presentation today.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (vg8iE)
He's a classy asshole.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (vg8iE)
He's a classy asshole.
Posted by: Reggie at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (+c7tK)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (LTHVh)
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>>>Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (geAkB)
You know how I know you didn't actually read the report?
You know how I know you didn't actually read the report?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (g38i/)
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Crates of money totalling billions, free path to building nukes, ended sanctions, and set free spies.
What did we get out of this "negotiation," again?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (39g3+)
Death to America
What did we get out of this "negotiation," again?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:42 PM (39g3+)
Death to America
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (493sH)
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The President may have a lot of power but he does not get to turn a treaty into not a treaty through rhetorical slight of hand.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (geAkB)
LOL
It was never called a treaty and never presented as one ON PURPOSE
The President may have a lot of power but he does not get to turn a treaty into not a treaty through rhetorical slight of hand.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (geAkB)
LOL
It was never called a treaty and never presented as one ON PURPOSE
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (KlI/a)
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185 So.. Valery Jarret's loyalties to her motherland were strong right down to the end, eh?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 24, 2017 01:37 PM (so+oy)
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Iran is not her motherland any more than Indonesia is Obama's.
The rodent-bitch crawled out of the sewers of left-wing Chicago.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 24, 2017 01:37 PM (so+oy)
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Iran is not her motherland any more than Indonesia is Obama's.
The rodent-bitch crawled out of the sewers of left-wing Chicago.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (0jtPF)
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5 He grew up Sunni in Indonesia, but chose to give The Bomb not to a Sunni nation, but to the Shi'ites.
*****
What is/was ValJar?
(Besides a commie)
*****
What is/was ValJar?
(Besides a commie)
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (0tfLf)
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Don't hate me because I'm a handsome rara avis.
Posted by: Barry Obama at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (TNQMS)
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*reads suggestions and kudos from OSP on rough draft of short story submission for Amazon Storyteller UK contest*
Still need a title and start work on cover art. And edit. And publish. *thud*
Still need a title and start work on cover art. And edit. And publish. *thud*
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (p6l+P)
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>>>The deal was going through regardless. Obama wouldn't let a little thing like congressional disapproval stop him. The Corker bill was about accountability.
In this case, when the shit hits the fan, Obama can't even say, "I wanted to take action (e.g. missile strikes in Syria), but congress wouldn't let me." This is his baby, 100%.>>>
No. Corker, as much as Obama, owns this deal and any damage Iran does with their nukes.
In this case, when the shit hits the fan, Obama can't even say, "I wanted to take action (e.g. missile strikes in Syria), but congress wouldn't let me." This is his baby, 100%.>>>
No. Corker, as much as Obama, owns this deal and any damage Iran does with their nukes.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (klDIs)
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>>> Oh, and then he gave the country the atomic secrets were stolen for $150
billion as seed money for their own Iranian Manhattan Project.
"Cash. In Swiss Francs. On Pallets."
And, by the way, the Obama White House *never* came clean on exactly where all that cash money had originated. It's not as though there was a spending line item in the cromnibus for "Tehran Payoff Moolah".
The spineless, brainless, gutless Beltway GOP have *never* forced the issue of getting that question answered for the public.
billion as seed money for their own Iranian Manhattan Project.
"Cash. In Swiss Francs. On Pallets."
And, by the way, the Obama White House *never* came clean on exactly where all that cash money had originated. It's not as though there was a spending line item in the cromnibus for "Tehran Payoff Moolah".
The spineless, brainless, gutless Beltway GOP have *never* forced the issue of getting that question answered for the public.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (qJjMA)
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240 226 Isn't Barry wonderful? He's going to take questions about Trump at his little presentation today.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (vg8iE)
He's a classy asshole.
Posted by: Reggie at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (+c7tK)
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE REGGIE WOULD KNOW!
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 01:50 PM (vg8iE)
He's a classy asshole.
Posted by: Reggie at April 24, 2017 01:53 PM (+c7tK)
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE REGGIE WOULD KNOW!
Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (+c7tK)
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So, it's not just Garrett.
White House press is all in on the "Trump didn't get everything done in his first 100 days".
White House press is all in on the "Trump didn't get everything done in his first 100 days".
Posted by: WisRich at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (hdpay)
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Sean Spicer is terrible.
Sean Spicer is terrible.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (QjPR0)
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So.. Valery Jarret's loyalties to her motherland were strong right down to the end, eh?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 24, 2017 01:37 PM (so+oy)
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Iran is not her motherland any more than Indonesia is Obama's.
The rodent-bitch crawled out of the sewers of left-wing Chicago.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (0jtPF)
It was an entire administration filled with rabid America haters. Everything they did was to weaken or destroy the country.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 24, 2017 01:37 PM (so+oy)
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Iran is not her motherland any more than Indonesia is Obama's.
The rodent-bitch crawled out of the sewers of left-wing Chicago.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (0jtPF)
It was an entire administration filled with rabid America haters. Everything they did was to weaken or destroy the country.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (493sH)
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Garrett: Trump didn't get everything done in his first 100 days! He's clearly a failure Sean, wouldn't you agree?
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Whatever else Trump has done or didn't do, he has changed the tone of the country such that we can now feel that the government is on America's side or, at least, not actively working against us.
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Whatever else Trump has done or didn't do, he has changed the tone of the country such that we can now feel that the government is on America's side or, at least, not actively working against us.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (Nwg0u)
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>>White House press is all in on the "Trump didn't get everything done in his first 100 days".
:Gee, how'd that happen?"
--- JournoList
:Gee, how'd that happen?"
--- JournoList
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (NOIQH)
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Corker, as much as Obama, owns this deal and any damage Iran does with their nukes.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (klDIs)
So Corker was over in Geneva negotiating this POS? I don't think so.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (klDIs)
So Corker was over in Geneva negotiating this POS? I don't think so.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:57 PM (KlI/a)
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And, by the way, the Obama White House *never* came clean on exactly where all that cash money had originated. It's not as though there was a spending line item in the cromnibus for "Tehran Payoff Moolah".
The spineless, brainless, gutless Beltway GOP have *never* forced the issue of getting that question answered for the public.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (qJjMA)
Obama's stash. Same place as the welfare handouts and Obama pho'
The spineless, brainless, gutless Beltway GOP have *never* forced the issue of getting that question answered for the public.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (qJjMA)
Obama's stash. Same place as the welfare handouts and Obama pho'
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 24, 2017 01:57 PM (493sH)
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Iran is not her motherland any more than Indonesia is Obama's.
The rodent-bitch crawled out of the sewers of left-wing Chicago.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (0jtPF)
See 129.These things aren't mutually exclusive.
The rodent-bitch crawled out of the sewers of left-wing Chicago.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (0jtPF)
See 129.These things aren't mutually exclusive.
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (48QDY)
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And I never heard any realistic suggestions then either...
Then you weren't listening. Short of impeachment, they probably couldn't have stopped the Presidents criminal activity, but they didn't need to approve it.
They could have made a continuing Big Deal over it. Daily subpoenas and hearing. Publicizing of the sordid details as they learned them. Publicly offering immunity to whistleblowers etc.
Then you weren't listening. Short of impeachment, they probably couldn't have stopped the Presidents criminal activity, but they didn't need to approve it.
They could have made a continuing Big Deal over it. Daily subpoenas and hearing. Publicizing of the sordid details as they learned them. Publicly offering immunity to whistleblowers etc.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (LTHVh)
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He's extremely thin skinned so I doubt he's immune to humiliation.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 24, 2017 01:46 PM (lKyWE)
He's too stupid to know when he should be humiliated. We got to watch him embarrass himself time and again over the 8 years he was occupooping the Oval Office. He did one stupid thing after another ... and it never fazed him. He would just say or do something idiotic and then move onto the next retarded thing. He even seemed to relish making a fool of himself.
I just want to see him held liable for his actions and jailed, at the very least. I won't hold my breath waiting for this, of course, but I couldn't give a shit about trying to make him feel humiliated. You're fighting a losing battle on trying to make Barky feel bad enough to punish himself. He knows that he's already done irreparable damage. There is no fixing lots of the crap he did, no matter what is tried, now.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 24, 2017 01:46 PM (lKyWE)
He's too stupid to know when he should be humiliated. We got to watch him embarrass himself time and again over the 8 years he was occupooping the Oval Office. He did one stupid thing after another ... and it never fazed him. He would just say or do something idiotic and then move onto the next retarded thing. He even seemed to relish making a fool of himself.
I just want to see him held liable for his actions and jailed, at the very least. I won't hold my breath waiting for this, of course, but I couldn't give a shit about trying to make him feel humiliated. You're fighting a losing battle on trying to make Barky feel bad enough to punish himself. He knows that he's already done irreparable damage. There is no fixing lots of the crap he did, no matter what is tried, now.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (zc3Db)
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:Gee, how'd that happen?"
--- JournoList
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (NOIQH)
I was thinking the same thing: They must do a huddle beforehand to decide what they're going to hammer Trump on today.
--- JournoList
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (NOIQH)
I was thinking the same thing: They must do a huddle beforehand to decide what they're going to hammer Trump on today.
Posted by: WisRich at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (hdpay)
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The rodent-bitch crawled out of the sewers of left-wing Chicago.
............
So the rats and flies followed her to the WH.
............
So the rats and flies followed her to the WH.
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (HgMAr)
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So Corker was over in Geneva negotiating this POS?
No, he was in DC making sure the Senate approved it.
No, he was in DC making sure the Senate approved it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (LTHVh)
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No. Corker, as much as Obama, owns this deal and any damage Iran does with their nukes.
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Corker didn't put a stopper in the deal.
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Corker didn't put a stopper in the deal.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (Nwg0u)
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Nice try. But no it was not classified as a treaty by he Legal President of the United States at the time...right or wrong.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:51 PM (KlI/a)
The President is not the one who gets to decide what is or isn't a treaty.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:51 PM (KlI/a)
The President is not the one who gets to decide what is or isn't a treaty.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (zc3Db)
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This is just one more pathetic instance of Congress ceding power to the executive (or judiciary) out of laziness and/or fear of taking responsibility.
_________________________
Yeah, if we ever have an Article V convention, or even a completely new constitutional convention after Barry's islamic buddies have used our money to nuke half the country to smithereens, one of the things we need to do is include a section saying that under no circumstances may any legislator delegate his/her lawmaking responsibilities to any other branch (or agency) of government, and the penalty for doing so or attempting to do so will be death.
Think that will get their attention?
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Yeah, if we ever have an Article V convention, or even a completely new constitutional convention after Barry's islamic buddies have used our money to nuke half the country to smithereens, one of the things we need to do is include a section saying that under no circumstances may any legislator delegate his/her lawmaking responsibilities to any other branch (or agency) of government, and the penalty for doing so or attempting to do so will be death.
Think that will get their attention?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (riF5p)
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Then you weren't listening. Short of impeachment, they probably couldn't have stopped the Presidents criminal activity, but they didn't need to approve it.
They could have made a continuing Big Deal over it. Daily subpoenas and hearing. Publicizing of the sordid details as they learned them. Publicly offering immunity to whistleblowers etc.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (LTHVh)
They did NOT approve it. maybe you were not listening
Then you weren't listening. Short of impeachment, they probably couldn't have stopped the Presidents criminal activity, but they didn't need to approve it.
They could have made a continuing Big Deal over it. Daily subpoenas and hearing. Publicizing of the sordid details as they learned them. Publicly offering immunity to whistleblowers etc.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (LTHVh)
They did NOT approve it. maybe you were not listening
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (KlI/a)
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236 Go to Congress? See #224.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight
Yeah I just saw that post; now, can I trust CFP as an accurate source? Based on prior 'reporting' by that outfit, I don't think so.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight
Yeah I just saw that post; now, can I trust CFP as an accurate source? Based on prior 'reporting' by that outfit, I don't think so.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (wTwJ2)
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Gee, how'd that happen?"
--- JournoList
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (NOIQH)
I was thinking the same thing: They must do a huddle beforehand to decide what they're going to hammer Trump on today.
Posted by: WisRich at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (hdpay)
It's all coordinated. Just like every news report (Fox included) is independent moderate/centrist Macron and far right wing Le Pen
--- JournoList
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (NOIQH)
I was thinking the same thing: They must do a huddle beforehand to decide what they're going to hammer Trump on today.
Posted by: WisRich at April 24, 2017 01:58 PM (hdpay)
It's all coordinated. Just like every news report (Fox included) is independent moderate/centrist Macron and far right wing Le Pen
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (493sH)
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The President is not the one who gets to decide what is or isn't a treaty.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (zc3Db)
Not even if he's historically half black?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (zc3Db)
Not even if he's historically half black?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 24, 2017 02:00 PM (493sH)
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*ponders*
How do the Plagues of Egypt align with the Democrat Party?
Death of the first born - abortion
Nile running red - well that river in Colorado changed color due to the EPA.
How do the Plagues of Egypt align with the Democrat Party?
Death of the first born - abortion
Nile running red - well that river in Colorado changed color due to the EPA.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 02:00 PM (p6l+P)
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It's time to designated all those who work or have worked for: 1) OFA, 2) WH (1/21/2009-1/20/2017), 3) any soros organization as members of terrorist organizations and fill Gitmo to the gills
Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at April 24, 2017 02:01 PM (DpOmP)
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>>>257 Corker, as much as Obama, owns this deal and any damage Iran does with their nukes.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (klDIs)
So Corker was over in Geneva negotiating this POS? I don't think so.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:57 PM (KlI/a)>>>
Never said he was. He didn't even need to know what was going on in order to grease the gears for this "POS." He wanted his and the GOP's approval on this "POS" without even knowing what was in it or having any say so on it whatsoever.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (klDIs)
So Corker was over in Geneva negotiating this POS? I don't think so.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:57 PM (KlI/a)>>>
Never said he was. He didn't even need to know what was going on in order to grease the gears for this "POS." He wanted his and the GOP's approval on this "POS" without even knowing what was in it or having any say so on it whatsoever.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 02:01 PM (klDIs)
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They did NOT approve it.
There we will have to disagree. They voted to make sure that the Senate approved it.
I don't let them off on voting for cloture and then voting against a nominee either. You change the rules to insure a bill passes and as far as I'm concerned you voted for it.
There we will have to disagree. They voted to make sure that the Senate approved it.
I don't let them off on voting for cloture and then voting against a nominee either. You change the rules to insure a bill passes and as far as I'm concerned you voted for it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 02:01 PM (LTHVh)
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Said it before, I'll say it again.
Trump needs to handle the Iran nuclear "deal" and the Paris climate "executive agreement" as being nothing more than proposed but unratified treaties.
He needs to actually submit both to the Senate.
Send them over, saying, "My predecessor negotiated these treaties but never had them ratified. I recommend that you not ratify them, but I do insist that you hold an up or down vote on each. If I haven't received a YES vote on either or both by the close of business next Friday, I will regard both as never having taken effect as ratified treaties."
Neither has any realistic chance of passage. That will be that.
George W. "Flounder" Bush should have done exactly this with the Kyoto Protocol left on his desk by the departing Billy Jeff Blowjob. Instead, Bush just ignored Kyoto, and then, brazenly, Senate Democrats beat up on him for years afterwards about it, even though the majority of them had previously voted to reject the protocol in a "sense of the Senate" resolution.
Trump needs to handle the Iran nuclear "deal" and the Paris climate "executive agreement" as being nothing more than proposed but unratified treaties.
He needs to actually submit both to the Senate.
Send them over, saying, "My predecessor negotiated these treaties but never had them ratified. I recommend that you not ratify them, but I do insist that you hold an up or down vote on each. If I haven't received a YES vote on either or both by the close of business next Friday, I will regard both as never having taken effect as ratified treaties."
Neither has any realistic chance of passage. That will be that.
George W. "Flounder" Bush should have done exactly this with the Kyoto Protocol left on his desk by the departing Billy Jeff Blowjob. Instead, Bush just ignored Kyoto, and then, brazenly, Senate Democrats beat up on him for years afterwards about it, even though the majority of them had previously voted to reject the protocol in a "sense of the Senate" resolution.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 02:02 PM (qJjMA)
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"He grew up Sunni in Indonesia, ..."
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He did not. His parents, grandparents, and stepfather were all committed atheists.
The fancy, English-language school he went to for the few years he was in Indonesia required a religion course. You could choose between Christianity and Islam.
His mother picked Islam, not because she had any respect for it, but because she loathed anything she considered Western or "white."
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He did not. His parents, grandparents, and stepfather were all committed atheists.
The fancy, English-language school he went to for the few years he was in Indonesia required a religion course. You could choose between Christianity and Islam.
His mother picked Islam, not because she had any respect for it, but because she loathed anything she considered Western or "white."
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 02:02 PM (0jtPF)
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201 >>>So you think that was a fair and balance report?
What were the report's recommendations and how do you disagree with them?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (g38i/)
Why do you answer a question with a question? Your turn.
What were the report's recommendations and how do you disagree with them?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (g38i/)
Why do you answer a question with a question? Your turn.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (Z9mio)
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I don't let them off on voting for cloture and then voting against a nominee either. You change the rules to insure a bill passes and as far as I'm concerned you voted for it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 02:01 PM (LTHVh)
Yep.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 02:01 PM (LTHVh)
Yep.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (zc3Db)
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OT, but one website is reporting that Gregg Allman has entered hospice care...
Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (j+dfT)
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The President is not the one who gets to decide what is or isn't a treaty.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (zc3Db)
Yeah? Well, right or wrong ( wrong in my opinion), he did on this.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (zc3Db)
Yeah? Well, right or wrong ( wrong in my opinion), he did on this.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (KlI/a)
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164
>>>Posted by: Publius REdux at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (Fb9aZ)
Did you read the GAO report? It was not intended, nor does it
anywhere in the report, attempt to argue that one form of violent
extremism is more or less dangerous than another. It simply assesses how
federal CVE (countering violent extremism) efforts have a strategy or
evaluate progress. The report acknowledges that the most fatalities from
violent extremism were on September 11 in the first paragraph. Shoulda
left that in the last thread, as it wasn't worth bringing over here.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (g38i/)
Ummm - first off I did read it. Did you? I even got into the appendices and researched the stats in them. Secondly the point of my post is that the statistics are cooked in it to make it look as if there have been more "right wing" terrorist incidents than islamic ones in order to support the previous administration's attempts to islamicize the US and support islamic terror regimes like Iran - hence - it is very topical. Lastly - my inclusion of the 9/11 stats was to prove a point - which is that statistically - islamic terrorism is actually a HUGE problem domestically in the US even with the last admin's cooking of the books on stats since then.
>>>Posted by: Publius REdux at April 24, 2017 01:20 PM (Fb9aZ)
Did you read the GAO report? It was not intended, nor does it
anywhere in the report, attempt to argue that one form of violent
extremism is more or less dangerous than another. It simply assesses how
federal CVE (countering violent extremism) efforts have a strategy or
evaluate progress. The report acknowledges that the most fatalities from
violent extremism were on September 11 in the first paragraph. Shoulda
left that in the last thread, as it wasn't worth bringing over here.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:31 PM (g38i/)
Ummm - first off I did read it. Did you? I even got into the appendices and researched the stats in them. Secondly the point of my post is that the statistics are cooked in it to make it look as if there have been more "right wing" terrorist incidents than islamic ones in order to support the previous administration's attempts to islamicize the US and support islamic terror regimes like Iran - hence - it is very topical. Lastly - my inclusion of the 9/11 stats was to prove a point - which is that statistically - islamic terrorism is actually a HUGE problem domestically in the US even with the last admin's cooking of the books on stats since then.
Posted by: Publius REdux at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (Fb9aZ)
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How do the Plagues of Egypt align with the Democrat Party?
Death of the first born - abortion
Nile running red - well that river in Colorado changed color due to the EPA.
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Plague of frogs- Al Franken
Death of the first born - abortion
Nile running red - well that river in Colorado changed color due to the EPA.
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Plague of frogs- Al Franken
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (Nwg0u)
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Garrett: Trump didn't get everything done in his first 100 days! He's clearly a failure Sean, wouldn't you agree?
___________________
Remember what Obama promised he'd do first? Close Gitmo!
But of course, Obama actually did it, so clearly he could never be called a failure.
Oh wait . . . . . er, nevermind.
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Remember what Obama promised he'd do first? Close Gitmo!
But of course, Obama actually did it, so clearly he could never be called a failure.
Oh wait . . . . . er, nevermind.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (riF5p)
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They did approve it. That's what Corker's bill did.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (klDIs)
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"Corker, as much as Obama, owns this deal and any damage Iran does with their nukes."
Also: Boeing, and their D.C. lobbying arm, own Corker. Cui bono?
Also: Boeing, and their D.C. lobbying arm, own Corker. Cui bono?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (qJjMA)
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To what is Obama loyal? The three competing theories explaining Obama are 1. he's massively incompetent. 2. he's a left wing ideologue. 3. he's a closet Muslim. Are these theories mutually exclusive? Pick which you believe most accurately explains Obama's behavior and provide top 3 examples to support your position.
Posted by: IanDeal at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (teGBX)
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OT, but one website is reporting that Gregg Allman has entered hospice care...
Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (7uYFy)
Man. I'm getting old.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (7uYFy)
Man. I'm getting old.
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 02:05 PM (48QDY)
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267----one of the things we need to do is include a section saying that under no circumstances may any legislator delegate his/her lawmaking responsibilities to any other branch (or agency) of government, and the penalty for doing so or attempting to do so will be death.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (riF5p)
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Oooooh. I like it!
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 01:59 PM (riF5p)
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Oooooh. I like it!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 02:05 PM (0jtPF)
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Doesn't matter if it was designated a treaty or not because the senate approved it, thanks to Corker.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 02:05 PM (klDIs)
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They did approve it. That's what Corker's bill did.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (klDIs)
Not even close
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (klDIs)
Not even close
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:05 PM (KlI/a)
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Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (geAkB)
You know how I know you didn't actually read the report?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (g38i/)
You don't.... but I am sure that will not stop you from acting like a sanctimonious tool so go right ahead.
You know how I know you didn't actually read the report?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:54 PM (g38i/)
You don't.... but I am sure that will not stop you from acting like a sanctimonious tool so go right ahead.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (geAkB)
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His mother picked Islam, not because she had any respect for it, but because she loathed anything she considered Western or "white."
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 02:02 PM (0jtPF)
Exactly. And that's why Obama favors it.
I never got the insistence that Obama is Muslim. He's clearly an atheist who worships nothing but himself.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 02:02 PM (0jtPF)
Exactly. And that's why Obama favors it.
I never got the insistence that Obama is Muslim. He's clearly an atheist who worships nothing but himself.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (s7vJs)
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I guess in order to get a nobel peace prize and be the bestest global president of the world they had to do an assist of disposing of the big statan and the little satan?
or it's just to keep the west in line, because you know how we are, we need a counterbalance to power and ..
ok that was b.s I believe He just wanted us to not be a superpower. as one of my very progressive friends told me once.. 'why should we be the only people with nuclear capabilities , all should have the same weapons."
because..
well the rest of the countries have their own interests and aren't mad at all. if Iran wants hedgemony in that part of the world let em.
or it's just to keep the west in line, because you know how we are, we need a counterbalance to power and ..
ok that was b.s I believe He just wanted us to not be a superpower. as one of my very progressive friends told me once.. 'why should we be the only people with nuclear capabilities , all should have the same weapons."
because..
well the rest of the countries have their own interests and aren't mad at all. if Iran wants hedgemony in that part of the world let em.
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (4lrrm)
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272 *ponders*
How do the Plagues of Egypt align with the Democrat Party?
Death of the first born - abortion
Nile running red - well that river in Colorado changed color due to the EPA.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 02:00 PM (p6l+P)
Rain of frogs? Well we got Sharknado!
How do the Plagues of Egypt align with the Democrat Party?
Death of the first born - abortion
Nile running red - well that river in Colorado changed color due to the EPA.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 24, 2017 02:00 PM (p6l+P)
Rain of frogs? Well we got Sharknado!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (+c7tK)
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Doesn't matter if it was designated a treaty or not because the senate approved it, thanks to Corker.
Right, in the end, that's all that will matter.
Right, in the end, that's all that will matter.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (39g3+)
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Don't worry Garrett, Trump has done plenty in his first 100 days and he still has years to go.
Enjoy.
Enjoy.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (3myMJ)
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Of course the MSM is pushing, "Trump's first 100 days a failure."
See, the thing is: Nobody's. Listening. Anymore.
See, the thing is: Nobody's. Listening. Anymore.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (f4GSC)
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>>>292 They did approve it. That's what Corker's bill did.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (klDIs)
Not even close
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:05 PM (KlI/a)>>>
Lol. Whatever you say.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (klDIs)
Not even close
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:05 PM (KlI/a)>>>
Lol. Whatever you say.
Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (klDIs)
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>>His mother picked Islam, not because she had any respect for it, but
because she loathed anything she considered Western or "white."
When the rest of us were learning state capitals, about the Constitution and 3 branches of government, going to 4th of July bbqs/fireworks, celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas with our families, Obama was memorizing the koran and listening to the daily calls for prayer.
Regardless of his country of origin and claimed religion, Obama's sensibilities are not American, as his formative childhood years were spent in a muslim country, a muslim school.
because she loathed anything she considered Western or "white."
When the rest of us were learning state capitals, about the Constitution and 3 branches of government, going to 4th of July bbqs/fireworks, celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas with our families, Obama was memorizing the koran and listening to the daily calls for prayer.
Regardless of his country of origin and claimed religion, Obama's sensibilities are not American, as his formative childhood years were spent in a muslim country, a muslim school.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (NOIQH)
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I hope every cocksucker involved in this bit of treason dies horribly and burns in hell forever.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (0mRoj)
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To what is Obama loyal? The three competing theories explaining Obama are 1. he's massively incompetent. 2. he's a left wing ideologue. 3. he's a closet Muslim. Are these theories mutually exclusive? Pick which you believe most accurately explains Obama's behavior and provide top 3 examples to support your position.
Posted by: IanDeal at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (teGBX)
Barky, who is at his core Indonesian, looks at himself as the avenging angel of the third world - brought to wreak pain and devastation on the first world for us having embarrassed and shamed his people with our intelligence, creativity, productivity, freedom, advancement and success. He is loyal to anything that is anti-western. It's just that simple.
Posted by: IanDeal at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (teGBX)
Barky, who is at his core Indonesian, looks at himself as the avenging angel of the third world - brought to wreak pain and devastation on the first world for us having embarrassed and shamed his people with our intelligence, creativity, productivity, freedom, advancement and success. He is loyal to anything that is anti-western. It's just that simple.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (zc3Db)
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I never got the insistence that Obama is Muslim. He's clearly an atheist who worships nothing but himself.
Yeah I think he was raised with a largely Muslim worldview, or at least formed in part by it, but he himself isn't Muslim at any level. This is the man who defined sin as "being out of alignment with my values."
Yeah I think he was raised with a largely Muslim worldview, or at least formed in part by it, but he himself isn't Muslim at any level. This is the man who defined sin as "being out of alignment with my values."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (39g3+)
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I don't let them off on voting for cloture and
then voting against a nominee either. You change the rules to insure a
bill passes and as far as I'm concerned you voted for it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 02:01 PM (LTHVh)
Yep.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (zc3Db)
This.
then voting against a nominee either. You change the rules to insure a
bill passes and as far as I'm concerned you voted for it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2017 02:01 PM (LTHVh)
Yep.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:03 PM (zc3Db)
This.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 02:08 PM (geAkB)
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Corker, as much as Obama, owns this deal and any damage Iran does with their nukes."
Also: Boeing, and their D.C. lobbying arm, own Corker. Cui bono?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (qJjMA)
Karl Marx was a total asshole as an economist, but he was sometimes perceptive as a social critic and he was spot on when he said that capitalists would sell their enemies the rope that would be used to hang them."
Also: Boeing, and their D.C. lobbying arm, own Corker. Cui bono?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (qJjMA)
Karl Marx was a total asshole as an economist, but he was sometimes perceptive as a social critic and he was spot on when he said that capitalists would sell their enemies the rope that would be used to hang them."
Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 02:08 PM (7uYFy)
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222 . Of course there were other things they could have done that were constitutional or legally questionable that could have delayed the deal .
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (Z9mio)
Like what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (KlI/a)
They could have used their congressional powers to declare everything Obama wanted as illegal and unconstitutional whether accurate or not and forced the Supreme Court to address it.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:48 PM (Z9mio)
Like what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (KlI/a)
They could have used their congressional powers to declare everything Obama wanted as illegal and unconstitutional whether accurate or not and forced the Supreme Court to address it.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:08 PM (Z9mio)
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Plague of frogs- Al Franken
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (Nwg0u)
it's the frogs who are being plagued right now by Muzzies.
The frogs still vote stupidly.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 02:04 PM (Nwg0u)
it's the frogs who are being plagued right now by Muzzies.
The frogs still vote stupidly.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (s7vJs)
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (OZmbA)
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looks at himself as the avenging angel of the third world - brought to wreak pain and devastation on the first world for us having embarrassed and shamed his people with our intelligence, creativity, productivity, freedom, advancement and success. He is loyal to anything that is anti-western.
Exactly. His whole viewpoint of foreign policy is based on Zinn's concept of American evil and the horrors of colonialism. He hates everything we stand for and believe in because he thinks it is oppression and tyranny over noble peoples.
Exactly. His whole viewpoint of foreign policy is based on Zinn's concept of American evil and the horrors of colonialism. He hates everything we stand for and believe in because he thinks it is oppression and tyranny over noble peoples.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (39g3+)
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>>>Why do you answer a question with a question? Your turn.
So you didn't actually read the report or the recommendations?
Your turn!
So you didn't actually read the report or the recommendations?
Your turn!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (g38i/)
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"Gregg Allman has entered hospice care..."
Sorry to hear this. He's had serious medical issues for awhile.
"Ain't but one way out baby, Lord I just can't go out the door."
Sorry to hear this. He's had serious medical issues for awhile.
"Ain't but one way out baby, Lord I just can't go out the door."
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (SIY7D)
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See, the thing is: Nobody's. Listening. Anymore.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (f4GSC)
Long, slow and loud clap.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (f4GSC)
Long, slow and loud clap.
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (48QDY)
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>>See, the thing is: Nobody's. Listening. Anymore.
Especially when we see the progress he has made so far - Gorsuch, southern border crossing way down, companies deciding to stay in US, rolling back so many of Obama's EOs, getting the woman freed from Egypt, dropping a bomb on Syria....Its a good start!
Especially when we see the progress he has made so far - Gorsuch, southern border crossing way down, companies deciding to stay in US, rolling back so many of Obama's EOs, getting the woman freed from Egypt, dropping a bomb on Syria....Its a good start!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (NOIQH)
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Meanwhile over at Media-ite:
Latest Lawsuit Alleges Black Fox Employees Forced to Arm Wrestle for Entertainment
Meanwhile over at Media-ite:
Latest Lawsuit Alleges Black Fox Employees Forced to Arm Wrestle for Entertainment
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (OZmbA)
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298 Don't worry Garrett, Trump has done plenty in his first 100 days and he still has years to go.
Enjoy.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (3myMJ)
Major Garrett started out in allegedly conservative news sites.
Enjoy.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (3myMJ)
Major Garrett started out in allegedly conservative news sites.
Posted by: kallisto at April 24, 2017 02:10 PM (kD8Fh)
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He grew up Sunni in Indonesia, but chose to give The Bomb not to a Sunni nation, but to the Shi'ites.
*****
What is/was ValJar?
(Besides a commie)
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (0tfLf)
the gap between shia and sunni islamo-nazis is highly exaggerated - Iranian shia are still hiding al_Zawahiri, a moslem brother in good standing and obl's mentor
*****
What is/was ValJar?
(Besides a commie)
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2017 01:55 PM (0tfLf)
the gap between shia and sunni islamo-nazis is highly exaggerated - Iranian shia are still hiding al_Zawahiri, a moslem brother in good standing and obl's mentor
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 02:10 PM (c6/9Q)
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OT, but one website is reporting that Gregg Allman has entered hospice care...
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So he's no longer a ramblin' man.
I watched a doc on the plane crash that killed Lynyrd Skynyrd. As they were landing in Greeneville SC, they could see flame coming from their right engine and reported the problem. They played their concert and were told to fly to their next venue, Baton Rouge LA, and somebody would check the plane out there. Because what could possibly go wrong?
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So he's no longer a ramblin' man.
I watched a doc on the plane crash that killed Lynyrd Skynyrd. As they were landing in Greeneville SC, they could see flame coming from their right engine and reported the problem. They played their concert and were told to fly to their next venue, Baton Rouge LA, and somebody would check the plane out there. Because what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 02:10 PM (Nwg0u)
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This is what should be thrown in the Democrats' face every day:
Bill Clinton on his North Korean nuclear agreement: "This agreement will help to achieve a longstanding and vital American objective: an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean peninsula."
Notice the weasel wording. He knew to cover himself though the agreement was touted as the end of worry over NK nukes.
Bill Clinton on his North Korean nuclear agreement: "This agreement will help to achieve a longstanding and vital American objective: an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean peninsula."
Notice the weasel wording. He knew to cover himself though the agreement was touted as the end of worry over NK nukes.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (3myMJ)
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*scribbling* seven civilians, energy production...
Posted by: GAO at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (2z74n)
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I never got the insistence that Obama is Muslim. He's clearly an atheist who worships nothing but himself.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (s7vJs)
Yes, but the Muslim's count him as one of their own, so he's just as much a Muslim as a lapsed Catholic is a still a Catholic or a secular Jew would still be considered a Jew.
We elected a Muslim president.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (s7vJs)
Yes, but the Muslim's count him as one of their own, so he's just as much a Muslim as a lapsed Catholic is a still a Catholic or a secular Jew would still be considered a Jew.
We elected a Muslim president.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (7uYFy)
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I never got the insistence that Obama is Muslim. He's clearly an atheist who worships nothing but himself.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (s7vJs)
Barky was BORN a muslim. That's a fact. He had a muslim step-father. That's a fact. He spent his formative years growing up in the largest muslim nation in the world. That's a fact. He was registered at one of his schools as a muslim. That's a fact.
You can make your own assessments about how much he believed or believes in islam but you cannot deny the facts of his life. Barky clearly showed that he has very strong muslim sympathies and very strong antipathy to America and all things western. Again, those are facts. It doesn't matter if he is or ever was a practising muslim. He was immersed in an islamic world and tends to choose the islamic side whenever the possibility presents itself. Make of it what you will.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (s7vJs)
Barky was BORN a muslim. That's a fact. He had a muslim step-father. That's a fact. He spent his formative years growing up in the largest muslim nation in the world. That's a fact. He was registered at one of his schools as a muslim. That's a fact.
You can make your own assessments about how much he believed or believes in islam but you cannot deny the facts of his life. Barky clearly showed that he has very strong muslim sympathies and very strong antipathy to America and all things western. Again, those are facts. It doesn't matter if he is or ever was a practising muslim. He was immersed in an islamic world and tends to choose the islamic side whenever the possibility presents itself. Make of it what you will.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (zc3Db)
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so current Nork tech is probably part of what those Clintonistas sold China back in the 90's. (supposedly they recently discovered that was the case)
Clintons sold "Made in USA" product for their own dirty profit, which is what globalists and communists do. Personal gain at the expense of that "Greater Good" they always preach about, out of the other side of their mouth ... or from their other face (that Hillary used for private speeches to bankers for instance).
Chinagate discovery said they sold out the "crown jewels" of US missile tech. "Multipolarity" (shared superpower status with multiple states, via US "sharing" our tech) was policy, which was just a cover for their treason. God only knows what other tech has been shared with Russia via Skolkovo deals or other treason/espionage or blackmail (e.g. pedo' island tapes).
Democrats are mostly commies sold out to "globalist" cabals. Communists are really dirty little mafias made mega rich by manipulated markets and bailouts, and using various government backed agendas. Change is gonna do us good.
Clintons sold "Made in USA" product for their own dirty profit, which is what globalists and communists do. Personal gain at the expense of that "Greater Good" they always preach about, out of the other side of their mouth ... or from their other face (that Hillary used for private speeches to bankers for instance).
Chinagate discovery said they sold out the "crown jewels" of US missile tech. "Multipolarity" (shared superpower status with multiple states, via US "sharing" our tech) was policy, which was just a cover for their treason. God only knows what other tech has been shared with Russia via Skolkovo deals or other treason/espionage or blackmail (e.g. pedo' island tapes).
Democrats are mostly commies sold out to "globalist" cabals. Communists are really dirty little mafias made mega rich by manipulated markets and bailouts, and using various government backed agendas. Change is gonna do us good.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (TmCOq)
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I heard they gave Pinocchio four Obamas.
Tell the truth! Tell the truth! Tell the truth! Tell the truth!
Tell the truth! Tell the truth! Tell the truth! Tell the truth!
Posted by: obama sitting on pinocchio's face at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (nlbfN)
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Major Garrett started out in allegedly conservative news sites.
Posted by: kallisto at April 24, 2017 02:10 PM (kD8Fh)
They're all whores.
Even ace. Baby Goat Alliance?
Posted by: kallisto at April 24, 2017 02:10 PM (kD8Fh)
They're all whores.
Even ace. Baby Goat Alliance?
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (48QDY)
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They could have used their congressional powers to declare everything Obama wanted as illegal and unconstitutional whether accurate or not and forced the Supreme Court to address it.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:08 PM (Z9mio)
Congress has the power to declare something unconstitutional? And where in the Constitution do they have that power?
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:08 PM (Z9mio)
Congress has the power to declare something unconstitutional? And where in the Constitution do they have that power?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (KlI/a)
Posted by: kallisto at April 24, 2017 02:12 PM (kD8Fh)
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"This is the man who defined sin as 'being out of alignment with my values.'"
The same man who talked constantly in his original campaign about his purported "Christian" faith, while simultaneously spewing this New Age psychobabble that's entirely inconsistent with the actual Christian concept of sin.
While the arm of the Democratic Party called "the news media" obligingly and constantly revoiced the former claim, while saying nothing regarding the latter criticism of that claim.
The same man who talked constantly in his original campaign about his purported "Christian" faith, while simultaneously spewing this New Age psychobabble that's entirely inconsistent with the actual Christian concept of sin.
While the arm of the Democratic Party called "the news media" obligingly and constantly revoiced the former claim, while saying nothing regarding the latter criticism of that claim.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 02:12 PM (qJjMA)
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You change the rules to insure a
bill passes and as far as I'm concerned you voted for it.
I agree, Cruz failed terribly in that test, and so did a bunch of others. I think they got bamboozled into thinking this was a way to stop it, without thinking it through well enough.
bill passes and as far as I'm concerned you voted for it.
I agree, Cruz failed terribly in that test, and so did a bunch of others. I think they got bamboozled into thinking this was a way to stop it, without thinking it through well enough.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:12 PM (39g3+)
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Exactly. His whole viewpoint of foreign policy is based on Zinn's concept of American evil and the horrors of colonialism. He hates everything we stand for and believe in because he thinks it is oppression and tyranny over noble peoples.
And Zinn's theory comes straight from...Soviet propaganda. The guy was a literal card-carrying communist.
And Zinn's theory comes straight from...Soviet propaganda. The guy was a literal card-carrying communist.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 02:12 PM (f4GSC)
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"304 I never got the insistence that Obama is Muslim. He's clearly an atheist who worships nothing but himself.
Yeah I think he was raised with a largely Muslim worldview, or at least formed in part by it, but he himself isn't Muslim at any level. This is the man who defined sin as "being out of alignment with my values."
Obama is your garden variety smug urban liberal. Not a Muslim, but sympathizes with them because it lets him lecture Christians.
Yeah I think he was raised with a largely Muslim worldview, or at least formed in part by it, but he himself isn't Muslim at any level. This is the man who defined sin as "being out of alignment with my values."
Obama is your garden variety smug urban liberal. Not a Muslim, but sympathizes with them because it lets him lecture Christians.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 24, 2017 02:12 PM (OD2ni)
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President Jarret wanted
1. A nuclear-armed Iran
2. An Iran with loads of money and resources with which to fuck us up
3. A humbled and disgraced United States.
The Europeans and the GOP went along with it because
1. $150 billion to be spent by Iran, excellent prospects for sales commisions, kickbacks and skims
2. YOLO / death wish.
1. A nuclear-armed Iran
2. An Iran with loads of money and resources with which to fuck us up
3. A humbled and disgraced United States.
The Europeans and the GOP went along with it because
1. $150 billion to be spent by Iran, excellent prospects for sales commisions, kickbacks and skims
2. YOLO / death wish.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at April 24, 2017 02:12 PM (wZc7i)
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>>>Ummm - first off I did read it. Did you? I even got into the appendices and researched the stats in them.
Ok, so where is the appendix that you have an issue with referenced in the report and how is it connected to the recommendations?
Ok, so where is the appendix that you have an issue with referenced in the report and how is it connected to the recommendations?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:13 PM (g38i/)
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Latest Lawsuit Alleges Black Fox Employees Forced to Arm Wrestle for Entertainment
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (OZmbA)
First, ???????
Second, the UK Daily Mail is reporting the Hannity is threatening to sue some chick who is trying to O'Reilly him.
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (OZmbA)
First, ???????
Second, the UK Daily Mail is reporting the Hannity is threatening to sue some chick who is trying to O'Reilly him.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 02:13 PM (geAkB)
335
Nothing will change until people go to prison.
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at April 24, 2017 12:48 PM (fLMbU)
Back in civilized times, many traitors went to the gallows for lesser, but still evil instances of treason.
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at April 24, 2017 12:48 PM (fLMbU)
Back in civilized times, many traitors went to the gallows for lesser, but still evil instances of treason.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 02:13 PM (0deF2)
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Especially when we see the progress he has made so far - Gorsuch, southern border crossing way down, companies deciding to stay in US, rolling back so many of Obama's EOs, getting the woman freed from Egypt, dropping a bomb on Syria....Its a good start!
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There was a story in a foreign news site the other day that said that local Afghan tribal leaders were happy about the big mega-bomb the U.S. dropped there. They said it had really made a difference in reducing the level of ISIS activity there.
Of course, U.S. media wasn't reporting this, as it helps Trump.
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There was a story in a foreign news site the other day that said that local Afghan tribal leaders were happy about the big mega-bomb the U.S. dropped there. They said it had really made a difference in reducing the level of ISIS activity there.
Of course, U.S. media wasn't reporting this, as it helps Trump.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (riF5p)
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You change the rules to insure a
bill passes and as far as I'm concerned you voted for it.
I agree, Cruz failed terribly in that test, and so did a bunch of others. I think they got bamboozled into thinking this was a way to stop it, without thinking it through well enough.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:12 PM (39g3+)
There was NEVER anyway to stop this. It was all Kabuki Theater from the get go. And that is the ONLY Reason Fredo even agreed to go along with this Farce.
bill passes and as far as I'm concerned you voted for it.
I agree, Cruz failed terribly in that test, and so did a bunch of others. I think they got bamboozled into thinking this was a way to stop it, without thinking it through well enough.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:12 PM (39g3+)
There was NEVER anyway to stop this. It was all Kabuki Theater from the get go. And that is the ONLY Reason Fredo even agreed to go along with this Farce.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (KlI/a)
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Congress has the power to declare something unconstitutional? And where in the Constitution do they have that power?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (KlI/a)
In the power of impeachment.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (KlI/a)
In the power of impeachment.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (zc3Db)
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Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:09 PM (g38i/)
Did you read the report? Did you think a prison stabbing should count as an extremism incident? Your turn.
Did you read the report? Did you think a prison stabbing should count as an extremism incident? Your turn.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (Z9mio)
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>>I never got the insistence that Obama is Muslim. He's clearly an atheist who worships nothing but himself.
Yeah, seems to be an atheist, but he sympathizes (or even identifies?) with muslims. The way he constantly lectured us about Islamaphobia after each attack, his UN speech after Benghazi - it was pretty clear he had chosen a side, and it wasn't ours. That was enough for me; he doesn't need bow to Mecca 5x a day to prove he picked them.
Yeah, seems to be an atheist, but he sympathizes (or even identifies?) with muslims. The way he constantly lectured us about Islamaphobia after each attack, his UN speech after Benghazi - it was pretty clear he had chosen a side, and it wasn't ours. That was enough for me; he doesn't need bow to Mecca 5x a day to prove he picked them.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (NOIQH)
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Ok, so where is the appendix that you have an issue
with referenced in the report and how is it connected to the
recommendations?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:13 PM (g38i/)
Garbage in, Garbage out.
with referenced in the report and how is it connected to the
recommendations?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:13 PM (g38i/)
Garbage in, Garbage out.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (geAkB)
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In the power of impeachment.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (zc3Db)
Yeah and with a Democratically Controlled Senate that was going to Happen? Come on be serious
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (zc3Db)
Yeah and with a Democratically Controlled Senate that was going to Happen? Come on be serious
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:15 PM (KlI/a)
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Along with the abandonment of the Iraq salient, the Iran nuclear deal was the greatest - and most potentially dangerous - foreign policy mistake since WWII.
And most of it was not, in fact, subject to the normal treaty process, as the core of the project (the sanctions regime) was built on a series of executive agreements, mostly multi-lateral, and thus subject to executive repudiation. As were the prosecutorial and investigative actions that were dropped, per the Politico article - executive discretion.
None of which absolves the GOP - but it's important to actually understand the process that has evolved since WWII. Int'l executive agreements have proliferated in this period. Their constitutionality - that is, where they veer into territory requiring Senate consent to ratification, per the treaty process - has long been one of the contentious gray areas in this area of constitutional law.
Per Grump's comment above, what the GOP failed to do - even to try, for the most part - was to engage in politics, to use the tools at their disposal to impose a cost for this outrageous policy disaster. Just as they generally continue to do (just try to find a single important issue where the GOP, in a concerted way and using their immense current institutional power, are "politicizing" key issues to marshal popular support for important action).
It's quite boringly possible (and true) that the Iran disaster was both a defensible use of executive authority (given recent decades of history and the nature of the complex anti-Iran containment project), AND an example of GOP failure.
And most of it was not, in fact, subject to the normal treaty process, as the core of the project (the sanctions regime) was built on a series of executive agreements, mostly multi-lateral, and thus subject to executive repudiation. As were the prosecutorial and investigative actions that were dropped, per the Politico article - executive discretion.
None of which absolves the GOP - but it's important to actually understand the process that has evolved since WWII. Int'l executive agreements have proliferated in this period. Their constitutionality - that is, where they veer into territory requiring Senate consent to ratification, per the treaty process - has long been one of the contentious gray areas in this area of constitutional law.
Per Grump's comment above, what the GOP failed to do - even to try, for the most part - was to engage in politics, to use the tools at their disposal to impose a cost for this outrageous policy disaster. Just as they generally continue to do (just try to find a single important issue where the GOP, in a concerted way and using their immense current institutional power, are "politicizing" key issues to marshal popular support for important action).
It's quite boringly possible (and true) that the Iran disaster was both a defensible use of executive authority (given recent decades of history and the nature of the complex anti-Iran containment project), AND an example of GOP failure.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2017 02:15 PM (QDnY+)
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You all do realize that muslims are atheists, too, right?
Their "allah" isn't a god in as much their god is an ideology same as marxism.
In other words, in 500 years, communism will be a religion, too, and they will "pray" to Karlmarx.
You all do realize that muslims are atheists, too, right?
Their "allah" isn't a god in as much their god is an ideology same as marxism.
In other words, in 500 years, communism will be a religion, too, and they will "pray" to Karlmarx.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (oexXb)
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Well the media is having a field day saying Trump has accomplished "nothing" in his first 100 days.... Just keep saying that.....It'll make you feel better...
Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (O2RFr)
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I'm one of the few people in the world who knows the secret back-channel way to communicate with Drudge (for news tips only). Just sent him this -- let's see if he features it!:
"Major story suppressed by BART subway system in Oakland -- entire train taken over by huge gang of violent "flash mob" thieves, 100+ riders beaten + robbed -- story embargoed for two days!: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/BART-takeover-robbery-50-to-60-teens-swarm-11094745.php -- should be national news"
Depending on how well one frames the "tip," Matt decides whether or not to run with it. I've gotten pretty good and figuring out how to get his attention.
It is via the method that I actually do mist of my effective "work" -- framing the cultural narrative. All behind the scenes.
"Major story suppressed by BART subway system in Oakland -- entire train taken over by huge gang of violent "flash mob" thieves, 100+ riders beaten + robbed -- story embargoed for two days!: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/BART-takeover-robbery-50-to-60-teens-swarm-11094745.php -- should be national news"
Depending on how well one frames the "tip," Matt decides whether or not to run with it. I've gotten pretty good and figuring out how to get his attention.
It is via the method that I actually do mist of my effective "work" -- framing the cultural narrative. All behind the scenes.
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Obama's foreign policy was pretty much Ben Rhodes getting back at the jocks that gave him swirlies every day in high school.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (OD2ni)
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Obama is a non-practicing sympathizer with Islam's and its goal of world domination. He'll lean more toward Islam as time goes on.
I remember when he was anti gay marriage too, not that long ago.
I remember when he was anti gay marriage too, not that long ago.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (3myMJ)
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Well the media is having a field day saying Trump has accomplished "nothing" in his first 100 days.... Just keep saying that.....It'll make you feel better...
Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (O2RFr)
GORSUCH!
I rest my case
Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (O2RFr)
GORSUCH!
I rest my case
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (KlI/a)
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304 ....I think he was raised with a largely Muslim worldview.....
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (39g3+)
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No, he wasn't. NONE of the people who raised him practiced any religion.
I think he has some affection for superficial Islam from living in Indonesia as a child, but he was NOT raised with a Muslim worldview at all.
He was raised by devout leftists.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (39g3+)
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No, he wasn't. NONE of the people who raised him practiced any religion.
I think he has some affection for superficial Islam from living in Indonesia as a child, but he was NOT raised with a Muslim worldview at all.
He was raised by devout leftists.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (0jtPF)
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Yeah, seems to be an atheist, but he sympathizes (or even identifies?) with muslims. The way he constantly lectured us about Islamaphobia after each attack, his UN speech after Benghazi - it was pretty clear he had chosen a side, and it wasn't ours. That was enough for me; he doesn't need bow to Mecca 5x a day to prove he picked them.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (NOIQH)
Does anti-Christian work?
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (NOIQH)
Does anti-Christian work?
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: mrp at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (Pqytn)
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>>I never got the insistence that Obama is Muslim. He's clearly an atheist who worships nothing but himself. Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 24, 2017 02:06 PM (s7vJs)
We don't "claim" him, so far as I know, i.e. he's never given the secret atheist hand-signal, and he's had plenty of opportunity. The Muslims can have him...
We don't "claim" him, so far as I know, i.e. he's never given the secret atheist hand-signal, and he's had plenty of opportunity. The Muslims can have him...
Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (Bdeb0)
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Muslims were probably the first Dogmatic Totalitarians that existed. The idea that islam is a religion probably developed over a relatively short time just to propel their ideological dogma.
Muslims were probably the first Dogmatic Totalitarians that existed. The idea that islam is a religion probably developed over a relatively short time just to propel their ideological dogma.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (oexXb)
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2017 02:15 PM (QDnY+)
Rule followers will always get punked by people who don't follow the rules.
Rule followers will always get punked by people who don't follow the rules.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (Z9mio)
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Barky was BORN a muslim. That's a fact. He had a
muslim step-father. That's a fact. He spent his formative years
growing up in the largest muslim nation in the world. That's a fact.
He was registered at one of his schools as a muslim. That's a fact.
You can make your own assessments about how much he believed or
believes in islam but you cannot deny the facts of his life. Barky
clearly showed that he has very strong muslim sympathies and very strong
antipathy to America and all things western. Again, those are facts.
It doesn't matter if he is or ever was a practising muslim. He was
immersed in an islamic world and tends to choose the islamic side
whenever the possibility presents itself. Make of it what you will.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (zc3Db)
He also attended a Madrassa during his formative educational years.
muslim step-father. That's a fact. He spent his formative years
growing up in the largest muslim nation in the world. That's a fact.
He was registered at one of his schools as a muslim. That's a fact.
You can make your own assessments about how much he believed or
believes in islam but you cannot deny the facts of his life. Barky
clearly showed that he has very strong muslim sympathies and very strong
antipathy to America and all things western. Again, those are facts.
It doesn't matter if he is or ever was a practising muslim. He was
immersed in an islamic world and tends to choose the islamic side
whenever the possibility presents itself. Make of it what you will.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:11 PM (zc3Db)
He also attended a Madrassa during his formative educational years.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 02:18 PM (geAkB)
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Middle class is/has been under fire and the Establishment says, yay. Illegal immigrants flood the U.S, take all service jobs and the Establishment says, yay. Rich are comfortable with rich being rich, with a wide bottom of poor support. Get rid of the troublesome middle class and the Establishment says, yay.
Republicans/Democrats is a semantic distinction only. With no opposition, the middle class is doomed. Trump may may be the last gasp of the republican ideal. And he is besieged.
We bought a couple of years with Trump. After him....Le Deluge.
Republicans/Democrats is a semantic distinction only. With no opposition, the middle class is doomed. Trump may may be the last gasp of the republican ideal. And he is besieged.
We bought a couple of years with Trump. After him....Le Deluge.
Posted by: Russkilitlover at April 24, 2017 02:18 PM (e2eRo)
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Latest Lawsuit Alleges Black Fox Employees Forced to Arm Wrestle for Entertainment
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Forced how? At gunpoint?
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Forced how? At gunpoint?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 02:18 PM (vg8iE)
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This deal just keeps getting worse!
Posted by: Lando Calrissian at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (rX06+)
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"Second, the UK Daily Mail is reporting the Hannity is threatening to sue some chick who is trying to O'Reilly him."
Its Debbie Schlussel and I do not buy it for a minute. Fat, ugly and crazy.
Its Debbie Schlussel and I do not buy it for a minute. Fat, ugly and crazy.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (OD2ni)
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I never gotas the insistence that Obama is Muslim
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He said the Muzzie call to prayer was the most beautiful sound proving he is both blind and deaf.
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He said the Muzzie call to prayer was the most beautiful sound proving he is both blind and deaf.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (Nwg0u)
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>>>Did you read the report? Did you think a prison stabbing should count as an extremism incident? Your turn.
GAO does not maintain the database. Not every single prison stabbing was included. Stabbings done for extremist motivations were included. Again, how is that relevant to the recommendations? (Hint, there were two!)
GAO does not maintain the database. Not every single prison stabbing was included. Stabbings done for extremist motivations were included. Again, how is that relevant to the recommendations? (Hint, there were two!)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (g38i/)
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We will be digging out from under this turd for a long long time.The only good is the lines between them and us is very easy to see.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (nQHw/)
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If you want to pique Drudge's interest, come up with something that involves at least two of the following things
Robots
Tom Brady
Elon Musk
camille Paglia'
Jerry Brown
Tim Tebow.
Robots
Tom Brady
Elon Musk
camille Paglia'
Jerry Brown
Tim Tebow.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (7uYFy)
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All behind the scenes.
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)
And that's why we love you.
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)
And that's why we love you.
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 02:20 PM (48QDY)
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"Major story suppressed by BART subway system in Oakland -- entire train taken over by huge gang of violent "flash mob" thieves, 100+ riders beaten + robbed -- story embargoed for two days!: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/BART-takeover-robbery-50-to-60-teens-swarm-11094745.php -- should be national news"
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)
WTFFF?!
It would be nice to sic some Pinkerton posses on these animals.
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)
WTFFF?!
It would be nice to sic some Pinkerton posses on these animals.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:20 PM (zc3Db)
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>>Does anti-Christian work?
Sure, and anti-west in general.
I don't care who he prays to, if he prays at all, he's obviously sided with muslim countries who want death to America, a world-wide caliphate.
Sure, and anti-west in general.
I don't care who he prays to, if he prays at all, he's obviously sided with muslim countries who want death to America, a world-wide caliphate.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 02:21 PM (NOIQH)
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Latest Lawsuit Alleges Black Fox Employees Forced to Arm Wrestle for Entertainment
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Forced how? At gunpoint?
Posted by: bicentennialguy
Massa Murdoch gon whup Toby if'n Toby don't arm wrestle for massa's entertainment!
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Forced how? At gunpoint?
Posted by: bicentennialguy
Massa Murdoch gon whup Toby if'n Toby don't arm wrestle for massa's entertainment!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 02:21 PM (HBKaX)
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White House press is all in on the "Trump didn't get everything done in his first 100 days".
Posted by: WisRich at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (hdpay)
They're butt-hurt about his farting off the White House correspondents' dinner.
Posted by: WisRich at April 24, 2017 01:56 PM (hdpay)
They're butt-hurt about his farting off the White House correspondents' dinner.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 02:21 PM (SRKgf)
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Not only does Obama sympathize with Islam, he even chose a side in the ongoing sectarian war.
He prefers Shia over Sunni.
He prefers Shia over Sunni.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:21 PM (3myMJ)
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It's quite boringly possible (and true) that the Iran disaster was both a defensible use of executive authority (given recent decades of history and the nature of the complex anti-Iran containment project), AND an example of GOP failure.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2017 02:15 PM (QDnY+)
You, sir, sound like someone who actually understands what they're talking about.
Respect.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2017 02:15 PM (QDnY+)
You, sir, sound like someone who actually understands what they're talking about.
Respect.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 02:21 PM (f4GSC)
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Wow, zombie!
I can see why they'd want to hide this given the Berkley shenanigans already in the news.
I can see why they'd want to hide this given the Berkley shenanigans already in the news.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 02:22 PM (NOIQH)
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"Major story suppressed by BART subway system in Oakland -- entire train taken over by huge gang of violent "flash mob" thieves, 100+ riders beaten + robbed -- story embargoed for two days!: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/BART-takeover-robbery-50-to-60-teens-swarm-11094745.php -- should be national news"
Posted by: zombie
Bernard Goetz, a lonely nation turns it's eyes toward thee...
Posted by: zombie
Bernard Goetz, a lonely nation turns it's eyes toward thee...
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 02:22 PM (HBKaX)
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what is actually interesting to ponder is ..isn't iran sponsored by Russia enthusiastically?, or am I wrong?
anyway as Trump is constantly accused of Russia patronage I thought it was an interesting aside.
anyway as Trump is constantly accused of Russia patronage I thought it was an interesting aside.
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 02:22 PM (4lrrm)
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Obama's too much of a cigarette-smoking, alcohol-drinking, gay-sex-loving, shari'ah-violating shit-for-brains to be accepted into Islamic Heaven, so the only way for him to be a Muslim is if he is indeed the Mahdi, existing just to usher in the end of the world.
Otherwise he's just an anti-Semitic, Islam-sympathizing shit-for-brains puppet of The Iranian Valerie Jarrett.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:10 PM (CMbMd)
But all those sins are forgiven if he advances the islamist agenda. Remember the 9/11 murderers caroused in strip clubs before the attack.
Otherwise he's just an anti-Semitic, Islam-sympathizing shit-for-brains puppet of The Iranian Valerie Jarrett.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:10 PM (CMbMd)
But all those sins are forgiven if he advances the islamist agenda. Remember the 9/11 murderers caroused in strip clubs before the attack.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (0deF2)
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351---Does anti-Christian work?
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (48QDY)
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Bullseye!
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 02:17 PM (48QDY)
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Bullseye!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (0jtPF)
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WTFFF?!
It would be nice to sic some Pinkerton posses on these animals.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
Furthermore, there are surveillance cameras on every platform of every station, plus cameras on the cars themselves -- and NO PICTURES were released by BART or the police. For obvious "Oakland reasons."
They don't want the criminals caught. They want to avoid protests against "profiling."
It would be nice to sic some Pinkerton posses on these animals.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
Furthermore, there are surveillance cameras on every platform of every station, plus cameras on the cars themselves -- and NO PICTURES were released by BART or the police. For obvious "Oakland reasons."
They don't want the criminals caught. They want to avoid protests against "profiling."
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Iran makes AK-47/74's. WTH would someone try to smuggle them from the U.S. to Iran unless they wanted to be armed opposition?
If that was the case, LET THEM HAVE THEM.
If that was the case, LET THEM HAVE THEM.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (+aCe4)
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371 Not only does Obama sympathize with Islam, he even chose a side in the ongoing sectarian war.
He prefers Shia over Sunni.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:21 PM (3myMJ)
Considering he grew up in a Sunni Madrassa, that shows you how much The Iranian Valerie Jarrett has control over him.
He prefers Shia over Sunni.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:21 PM (3myMJ)
Considering he grew up in a Sunni Madrassa, that shows you how much The Iranian Valerie Jarrett has control over him.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (CMbMd)
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"Major story suppressed by BART subway system in Oakland -- entire train taken over by huge gang of violent "flash mob" thieves"
Oh. Croakland.
That'll be the Eskimos acting up again, I expect. Them damn tundra trudgers ain't nothing but trouble on the hoof.
Oh. Croakland.
That'll be the Eskimos acting up again, I expect. Them damn tundra trudgers ain't nothing but trouble on the hoof.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 02:24 PM (qJjMA)
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I've been a fan of Zombie's ever since the time Zombie proved that the Israeli's missile targeting systems were capable of hitting ambulances right through the vent.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 24, 2017 02:24 PM (uBKPR)
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Almost as if the JEF has assurances the unknown 3rd party terrorists the Iranians hand the nuke that blows up DC to won't set it off when him or his are in town. Or maybe they'll go with the donkey-cart to Mecca for the Shia wins all of Mo's marbles game.
Posted by: DaveA at April 24, 2017 02:24 PM (FhXTo)
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He was raised by devout leftists.
The Madrasa was pretty Muslim where he went to school in Indonesia.
The Madrasa was pretty Muslim where he went to school in Indonesia.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:24 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (g38i/)
Thanks I don't need a hint. What I gather is you believe the report and its recommendations are fair. You believe the prison stabbing reports listed are valid in regard to counting as extremist incidents.
Thanks I don't need a hint. What I gather is you believe the report and its recommendations are fair. You believe the prison stabbing reports listed are valid in regard to counting as extremist incidents.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:25 PM (Z9mio)
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Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (DQ4Fv)
Of course ... which is why I would like to see the Pinkerton option.
Of course ... which is why I would like to see the Pinkerton option.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2017 02:25 PM (zc3Db)
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>>Bernard Goetz, a lonely nation turns it's eyes toward thee...Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 02:22 PM (HBKaX)
"With my time in the limelight, I regret that I didn't use it more to push vegetarianism. I support vegetarian options in the school lunch program." -- Bernie Goetz
Peaceful...until fucked with.
"With my time in the limelight, I regret that I didn't use it more to push vegetarianism. I support vegetarian options in the school lunch program." -- Bernie Goetz
Peaceful...until fucked with.
Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 02:25 PM (Bdeb0)
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376 Obama's too much of a cigarette-smoking, alcohol-drinking, gay-sex-loving, shari'ah-violating shit-for-brains to be accepted into Islamic Heaven, so the only way for him to be a Muslim is if he is indeed the Mahdi, existing just to usher in the end of the world.
Otherwise he's just an anti-Semitic, Islam-sympathizing shit-for-brains puppet of The Iranian Valerie Jarrett.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:10 PM (CMbMd)
But all those sins are forgiven if he advances the islamist agenda. Remember the 9/11 murderers caroused in strip clubs before the attack.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (0deF2)
They took an active role, however. They didn't sit back and let someone else do it.
Otherwise he's just an anti-Semitic, Islam-sympathizing shit-for-brains puppet of The Iranian Valerie Jarrett.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 01:10 PM (CMbMd)
But all those sins are forgiven if he advances the islamist agenda. Remember the 9/11 murderers caroused in strip clubs before the attack.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (0deF2)
They took an active role, however. They didn't sit back and let someone else do it.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 24, 2017 02:25 PM (CMbMd)
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http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/BART-takeover-robbery-50-to-60-teens-swarm-11094745.php
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And the sweet, innocent yoots got away with it, so they'll be doing it again soon.
And probably spreading the word to their similarly criminally-inclined friends on FB and Instagram and Snapchat and all the other social media, about how easy and fun it was.
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And the sweet, innocent yoots got away with it, so they'll be doing it again soon.
And probably spreading the word to their similarly criminally-inclined friends on FB and Instagram and Snapchat and all the other social media, about how easy and fun it was.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 24, 2017 02:25 PM (riF5p)
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Hey, it's cool. Obama and his family and friends will be on a yacht in Tahiti when Iran drops the big one.
Posted by: scoville unit at April 24, 2017 02:25 PM (N+CRe)
391
Zombie, I bet Tucker Carlson would cover it if he had the info... It's right up his alley and he had some Council member on from Oakland a while back and took him to the woodshed...
Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 02:25 PM (O2RFr)
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GAO does not maintain the database. Not every single
prison stabbing was included. Stabbings done for extremist motivations
were included. Again, how is that relevant to the recommendations?
(Hint, there were two!)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (g38i/)
And that is wrong... First, the GAO is responsible (as are all researchers) for making sure the data they use is valid.
Second, the keeper of the data DID NOT list all prison killing, stabbing or otherwise caused. They only listed the ones where they presume the killer was a white nationalist. They do not list killings in prison by Hispanic gangs or Black Muslims (or other Muslim cliques for that matter).
And again never mind that none of those killings should in any way be listed in a report on terrorism.
prison stabbing was included. Stabbings done for extremist motivations
were included. Again, how is that relevant to the recommendations?
(Hint, there were two!)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (g38i/)
And that is wrong... First, the GAO is responsible (as are all researchers) for making sure the data they use is valid.
Second, the keeper of the data DID NOT list all prison killing, stabbing or otherwise caused. They only listed the ones where they presume the killer was a white nationalist. They do not list killings in prison by Hispanic gangs or Black Muslims (or other Muslim cliques for that matter).
And again never mind that none of those killings should in any way be listed in a report on terrorism.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 02:26 PM (geAkB)
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As of 11:34am PST, the story still not on Drudge. As an experiment, I'll see how long it takes (if ever) to appear!
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:26 PM (DQ4Fv)
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"Major story suppressed by BART subway system in Oakland -- entire train taken over by huge gang of violent "flash mob" thieves, 100+ riders beaten + robbed -- story embargoed for two days!: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/BART-takeover-robbery-50-to-60-teens-swarm-11094745.php -- should be national news"
Depending on how well one frames the "tip," Matt decides whether or not to run with it. I've gotten pretty good and figuring out how to get his attention.
It is via the method that I actually do mist of my effective "work" -- framing the cultural narrative. All behind the scenes.
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)
God love you for your good work.
Hmmm. They're asking the help of the Oakland Housing Authority in identifying the perpetrators. Damn Scandis at it again.
Depending on how well one frames the "tip," Matt decides whether or not to run with it. I've gotten pretty good and figuring out how to get his attention.
It is via the method that I actually do mist of my effective "work" -- framing the cultural narrative. All behind the scenes.
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)
God love you for your good work.
Hmmm. They're asking the help of the Oakland Housing Authority in identifying the perpetrators. Damn Scandis at it again.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 02:26 PM (SRKgf)
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plus cameras on the cars themselves
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (DQ4Fv)
recent story says most cameras installed on cars are decoys.
Gotta send those $$$ elsewhere.
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (DQ4Fv)
recent story says most cameras installed on cars are decoys.
Gotta send those $$$ elsewhere.
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 02:26 PM (48QDY)
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>>>Ummm - first off I did read it. Did you? I even got into the appendices and researched the stats in them.
Ok, so where is the appendix that you have an issue with referenced
in the report and how is it connected to the recommendations?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:13 PM (g38i/)
Seriously BSG? It's Appendix II - the, umm, stats part. cross reference a few of the more dubious "right wing" terrorist events to actual news reports of the time and throw out the ones where it is obvious prison related gang violence - or general gang violence. Also - look at Appendix II and check out the bogus definition of domestic "right wing" terrorism - it includes anyone who was "anti global" or who fosters "conspiracy theories."Lastly - check out the couple who went on a killing spree in Vegas - they killed some folks at one end Vegas drove to the other end and killed again - that is "2" incidents of "right wing" terrorism instead of 1. The Report makes it clear that islamic terrorism and "right wing" terrorism are both co-equal issues that need government action to solve, thus acting to dilute the clear and present danger of islamic terrorism by linking it to bogus issues like prison gang fights or gang violence in general. (and it is constantly being used by SJWs as a stat).
This pisses me off - if you are OK with it well then - so be it - but I am hopping mad at crap like this.
>>>Ummm - first off I did read it. Did you? I even got into the appendices and researched the stats in them.
Ok, so where is the appendix that you have an issue with referenced
in the report and how is it connected to the recommendations?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:13 PM (g38i/)
Seriously BSG? It's Appendix II - the, umm, stats part. cross reference a few of the more dubious "right wing" terrorist events to actual news reports of the time and throw out the ones where it is obvious prison related gang violence - or general gang violence. Also - look at Appendix II and check out the bogus definition of domestic "right wing" terrorism - it includes anyone who was "anti global" or who fosters "conspiracy theories."Lastly - check out the couple who went on a killing spree in Vegas - they killed some folks at one end Vegas drove to the other end and killed again - that is "2" incidents of "right wing" terrorism instead of 1. The Report makes it clear that islamic terrorism and "right wing" terrorism are both co-equal issues that need government action to solve, thus acting to dilute the clear and present danger of islamic terrorism by linking it to bogus issues like prison gang fights or gang violence in general. (and it is constantly being used by SJWs as a stat).
This pisses me off - if you are OK with it well then - so be it - but I am hopping mad at crap like this.
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 02:27 PM (Fb9aZ)
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Its Debbie Schlussel and I do not buy it for a minute. Fat, ugly and crazy.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (OD2ni)
Debbie Schlussel Says Sean Hannity Didn't Sexually Harass Her
But in an interview with Newsweek on Monday morning, Schlussel says: "I never used the word 'sexual harassment' in the radio interview." "My response was in response to the 'made to feel uncomfortable' part."
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 24, 2017 02:19 PM (OD2ni)
Debbie Schlussel Says Sean Hannity Didn't Sexually Harass Her
But in an interview with Newsweek on Monday morning, Schlussel says: "I never used the word 'sexual harassment' in the radio interview." "My response was in response to the 'made to feel uncomfortable' part."
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 24, 2017 02:27 PM (493sH)
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Remember the 9/11 murderers caroused in strip clubs before the attack.
Those kind of guys are usually given a special dispensation by a Muslim cleric to do whatever they want in the name of carrying out a secret Islamic mission. Its like being given carte blanche to carry out a spy mission, its ok because of the end goal.
Those kind of guys are usually given a special dispensation by a Muslim cleric to do whatever they want in the name of carrying out a secret Islamic mission. Its like being given carte blanche to carry out a spy mission, its ok because of the end goal.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:28 PM (39g3+)
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rhomboid-
The Deal is indefensible. Not even Chuck Schumer could defend it. And certainly not a mistake.
The Deal is indefensible. Not even Chuck Schumer could defend it. And certainly not a mistake.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 02:28 PM (m6qV1)
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I remember back when BART police officer Johannes Mehserle got railroaded by the D.A. in a kangaroo-court proceeding, and did time and had his career destroyed.
Over the accidental shooting death of Oscar Grant, a stoned career criminal breaking parole, who was physically resisting arrest after an ethnic gang brawl on a BART train at three in the morning.
The local liberal loons all bawled in unison, "Why does BART have to have its own in-house police force anyway?"
Over the accidental shooting death of Oscar Grant, a stoned career criminal breaking parole, who was physically resisting arrest after an ethnic gang brawl on a BART train at three in the morning.
The local liberal loons all bawled in unison, "Why does BART have to have its own in-house police force anyway?"
Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 02:28 PM (qJjMA)
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I believe statistics on who's doing killing might start on the local level, say Chicago p.d or ny p.d, it than becomes a statistic through a local political lens.
I say this because I read sites (police blogs) where they complain often about what crimes are mentioned for ..reasons..
I say this because I read sites (police blogs) where they complain often about what crimes are mentioned for ..reasons..
Posted by: willow at April 24, 2017 02:29 PM (4lrrm)
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They don't want the criminals caught. They want to avoid protests against "profiling."
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (DQ4Fv)
"Police are looking for a man wearing a t-shirt and jeans."
Oh. OK. I'll keep an eye out for him.
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:23 PM (DQ4Fv)
"Police are looking for a man wearing a t-shirt and jeans."
Oh. OK. I'll keep an eye out for him.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 02:29 PM (SRKgf)
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391 Zombie, I bet Tucker Carlson would cover it if he had the info... It's right up his alley and he had some Council member on from Oakland a while back and took him to the woodshed...
Posted by: It's Me donna
Yeah, true, but I don't have access to Carlson's team, so I have no way to influence them (any more than the average person does). I only ever had one connection at Fox, but I haven't used it for several years.
Posted by: It's Me donna
Yeah, true, but I don't have access to Carlson's team, so I have no way to influence them (any more than the average person does). I only ever had one connection at Fox, but I haven't used it for several years.
Posted by: zombie at April 24, 2017 02:29 PM (DQ4Fv)
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I would build a prison just off the coast of Israel just for people who enable a nuclear Iran.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 24, 2017 02:30 PM (VdICR)
405
>>"Why does BART have to have its own in-house police force anyway?" Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 02:28 PM (qJjMA)
Why are agencies in the federal government that don't have a law enforcement mission buying hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition with no sensible explanation, anyway?
Kinda thing.
Why are agencies in the federal government that don't have a law enforcement mission buying hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition with no sensible explanation, anyway?
Kinda thing.
Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 02:30 PM (Bdeb0)
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Schlussel says: "I never used the word 'sexual harassment' in the radio interview." "My response was in response to the 'made to feel uncomfortable' part."
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Gee, a poorly fitting bra could make her feel uncomfortable.
Would she make the same claim?
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Gee, a poorly fitting bra could make her feel uncomfortable.
Would she make the same claim?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 02:30 PM (vg8iE)
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Not only does Obama sympathize with Islam, he even chose a side in the ongoing sectarian war.
He prefers Shia over Sunni.
That's my general impression of his foreign policy in the ME: American withdrawal, and Iran as the regional hegemon.
Openly admitting this would be political death (probably the only thing that could turn liberal Jews against him), so the lies were means to an end.
He prefers Shia over Sunni.
That's my general impression of his foreign policy in the ME: American withdrawal, and Iran as the regional hegemon.
Openly admitting this would be political death (probably the only thing that could turn liberal Jews against him), so the lies were means to an end.
Posted by: gewa76 at April 24, 2017 02:31 PM (f4GSC)
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398 Remember the 9/11 murderers caroused in strip clubs before the attack.
Those kind of guys are usually given a special dispensation by a Muslim cleric to do whatever they want in the name of carrying out a secret Islamic mission. Its like being given carte blanche to carry out a spy mission, its ok because of the end goal.
============
Remember the story a year or so ago where the cleric said it was OK to have anal sex with other men so that the opening would allow more explosives to fit inside?
Those kind of guys are usually given a special dispensation by a Muslim cleric to do whatever they want in the name of carrying out a secret Islamic mission. Its like being given carte blanche to carry out a spy mission, its ok because of the end goal.
============
Remember the story a year or so ago where the cleric said it was OK to have anal sex with other men so that the opening would allow more explosives to fit inside?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 02:31 PM (vg8iE)
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Fox News scourge Gabriel Sherman is now reporting
that a racial discrimination lawsuit will be filed
by seven African American employees this week.
--Media-ite
Fox News scourge Gabriel Sherman is now reporting
that a racial discrimination lawsuit will be filed
by seven African American employees this week.
--Media-ite
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:32 PM (OZmbA)
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371 Not only does Obama sympathize with Islam, he even chose a side in the ongoing sectarian war.
He prefers Shia over Sunni.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:21 PM (3myMJ)
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Not necessarily. It depends on which side is the most anti-American at the moment. THAT is the side he will instinctively take.
He prefers Shia over Sunni.
Posted by: Meremortal, weight weight at April 24, 2017 02:21 PM (3myMJ)
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Not necessarily. It depends on which side is the most anti-American at the moment. THAT is the side he will instinctively take.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 02:32 PM (0jtPF)
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"Why does BART have to have its own in-house police force anyway?" Posted by: torquewrench at April 24, 2017 02:28 PM (qJjMA)
Why are agencies in the federal government that don't have a law enforcement mission buying hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition with no sensible explanation, anyway?
Kinda thing.
Posted by: General Zod
Dept. of Ed SWAT Team.
Why are agencies in the federal government that don't have a law enforcement mission buying hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition with no sensible explanation, anyway?
Kinda thing.
Posted by: General Zod
Dept. of Ed SWAT Team.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 02:32 PM (HBKaX)
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OT: First pussy hats to fight the sexists now brain bats to fight the science deniers.
http://tinyurl.com/kfr3pbq
http://tinyurl.com/kfr3pbq
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 02:32 PM (Nwg0u)
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Remember the story a year or so ago where the cleric said it was OK to have anal sex with other men so that the opening would allow more explosives to fit inside?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 02:31 PM (vg8iE)
What the hell would someone do with a six-foot asshole?
Give him a radar gun and hide him at the bottom of a hill.
/just the punchline
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 02:31 PM (vg8iE)
What the hell would someone do with a six-foot asshole?
Give him a radar gun and hide him at the bottom of a hill.
/just the punchline
Posted by: Insomniac at April 24, 2017 02:32 PM (0mRoj)
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The suit alleges that employees of color were forced
to arm wrestle for the entertainment of white
employees.
The suit alleges that employees of color were forced
to arm wrestle for the entertainment of white
employees.
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:32 PM (OZmbA)
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"But in an interview with Newsweek on Monday morning, Schlussel says: "I never used the word 'sexual harassment' in the radio interview." "My response was in response to the 'made to feel uncomfortable' part."
Schlussel used to go on Howard Stern's show back in the day and play the part of the "dumb conservative" that Howard/Robin could laugh at and mock. She should crawl back n her hole.
Schlussel used to go on Howard Stern's show back in the day and play the part of the "dumb conservative" that Howard/Robin could laugh at and mock. She should crawl back n her hole.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 24, 2017 02:33 PM (OD2ni)
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"black employees were
forced to arm wrestle for the entertainment of
white employees in the accounting department"
forced to arm wrestle for the entertainment of
white employees in the accounting department"
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:33 PM (OZmbA)
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What were the report's recommendations and how do you disagree with them?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 01:41 PM (g38i/)
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Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0deF2)
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416 "black employees were
forced to arm wrestle for the entertainment of
white employees in the accounting department"
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:33 PM (OZmbA)
Simon Legree, CPA?
forced to arm wrestle for the entertainment of
white employees in the accounting department"
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:33 PM (OZmbA)
Simon Legree, CPA?
Posted by: Insomniac at April 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0mRoj)
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414
The suit alleges that employees of color were forced
to arm wrestle for the entertainment of white
employees.
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That is fucking preposterous on its face.
Even if it was true, anyone who didn't say "fuck you" and participated, deserved to provide entertainment to the white employees.
414
The suit alleges that employees of color were forced
to arm wrestle for the entertainment of white
employees.
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That is fucking preposterous on its face.
Even if it was true, anyone who didn't say "fuck you" and participated, deserved to provide entertainment to the white employees.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 02:34 PM (vg8iE)
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my prediction for FOx - James Murdoch is gonna make a mess of things, will be removed from management and a professional will be hired. Fucking c()nt he is.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 02:34 PM (c6/9Q)
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Furthermore, there are surveillance cameras on every platform of every
station, plus cameras on the cars themselves -- and NO PICTURES were
released by BART or the police. For obvious "Oakland reasons."
Also this:
The agency has struggled to contain fare evaders, and is in the midst of installing surveillance cameras in train cars after The Chronicle reported that most of the existing cameras were decoys.
Decoys. Because of course they are.
station, plus cameras on the cars themselves -- and NO PICTURES were
released by BART or the police. For obvious "Oakland reasons."
Also this:
The agency has struggled to contain fare evaders, and is in the midst of installing surveillance cameras in train cars after The Chronicle reported that most of the existing cameras were decoys.
Decoys. Because of course they are.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at April 24, 2017 02:35 PM (4df7R)
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PussyBrain Hat
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 02:35 PM (IqV8l)
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This over-determined and even exotic approach to "explaining" the most destructive behavior among leadership individuals - in Obama's case, "Muslim mindset" (whatever that is), or Justice Roberts' adopted children, etc. - is pretty pointless, but it also suggests a wildly optimistic (or blinkered) view of the overall situation.
Wildly optimistic, because it assumes these people aren't as clueless, or as small in character, as they obviously are.
The thousands of govt. employees and millions of Americans who agree (or think they agree) with many of Obama's most outrageous and disastrous policies aren't Muslim - most, as noted by others, are if anything anti-religious bigots in general.
These stupid, indefensible policy ideas are not new, they are held by huge numbers of people, and they have nothing to do with where Obama spent some childhood time.
And if you think Roberts' outrageous lawless beclowning of the SCOTUS requires some B-movie conspiracy explanation, you're not paying much attention to the collapsed, lawless judiciary at all levels.
Things are much worse than people clinging to these explanations *seem* to think. Much of the leadership class, and the millions who elect them, have no connection to Islam of any kind, aren't being blackmailed - they just actually believe this crazy, destructive, dangerous, illiterate, morally inverted crap.
Wildly optimistic, because it assumes these people aren't as clueless, or as small in character, as they obviously are.
The thousands of govt. employees and millions of Americans who agree (or think they agree) with many of Obama's most outrageous and disastrous policies aren't Muslim - most, as noted by others, are if anything anti-religious bigots in general.
These stupid, indefensible policy ideas are not new, they are held by huge numbers of people, and they have nothing to do with where Obama spent some childhood time.
And if you think Roberts' outrageous lawless beclowning of the SCOTUS requires some B-movie conspiracy explanation, you're not paying much attention to the collapsed, lawless judiciary at all levels.
Things are much worse than people clinging to these explanations *seem* to think. Much of the leadership class, and the millions who elect them, have no connection to Islam of any kind, aren't being blackmailed - they just actually believe this crazy, destructive, dangerous, illiterate, morally inverted crap.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2017 02:35 PM (mBYZv)
Posted by: Muzzie who had asshole stretched at the behest of a cleric at April 24, 2017 02:35 PM (vg8iE)
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Remember the story a year or so ago where the cleric said it was OK to have anal sex with other men so that the opening would allow more explosives to fit inside?
Posted by: bicentennialguy
Yeah. Not "our doctors can fix that", instead, it was "stick a dick in it!"
Posted by: bicentennialguy
Yeah. Not "our doctors can fix that", instead, it was "stick a dick in it!"
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 02:36 PM (HBKaX)
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Howling Mad Murdoch
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 02:36 PM (IqV8l)
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417
What were the report's recommendations and how do you disagree with them?
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Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0deF2)
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Heh.
What were the report's recommendations and how do you disagree with them?
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Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0deF2)
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Heh.
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 02:36 PM (Fb9aZ)
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>>The suit alleges that employees of color were forced
to arm wrestle for the entertainment of white
employees. Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:32 PM (OZmbA)
Their masters raised them for that! They were specifically bred on the plantation to arm-wrestle, that's why they're so good at it!
to arm wrestle for the entertainment of white
employees. Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:32 PM (OZmbA)
Their masters raised them for that! They were specifically bred on the plantation to arm-wrestle, that's why they're so good at it!
Posted by: Zoddy the Greek at April 24, 2017 02:36 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Sphynx at April 24, 2017 02:37 PM (OZmbA)
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NOOD btw
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 02:37 PM (Fb9aZ)
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Those kind of guys are usually given a special dispensation by a Muslim cleric to do whatever they want in the name of carrying out a secret Islamic mission. Its like being given carte blanche to carry out a spy mission, its ok because of the end goal.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:28 PM (39g3+)
So the Grand Imam signed off on Barack and the gay butt-seks with Reggie?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:28 PM (39g3+)
So the Grand Imam signed off on Barack and the gay butt-seks with Reggie?
Posted by: golfman at April 24, 2017 02:37 PM (48QDY)
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The idea of something making you uncomfortable is infantile. So what, it made you uncomfortable? Alcoholics Anonymous is vaguely creepy and odd but it does have some good ideas, and one of them is "I am only responsible for what happens to me, and no one else is." You respond to things because of how you are, not because of how others are.
There are some acts which will provoke a response in any reasonable person and should be avoided, but nobody is responsible for how you respond except you.
There are some acts which will provoke a response in any reasonable person and should be avoided, but nobody is responsible for how you respond except you.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:37 PM (39g3+)
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Obama doesn't appear to be religious, but admires Islam.
He believes the US has been a hegemon which needs to be neutered.
In furtherance, natural regional powers like Iran should be allowed their spheres of influence, in order to keep the World in balance and the US in line
He believes the US has been a hegemon which needs to be neutered.
In furtherance, natural regional powers like Iran should be allowed their spheres of influence, in order to keep the World in balance and the US in line
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 24, 2017 02:37 PM (SIY7D)
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In furtherance, natural regional powers like Iran should be allowed their spheres of influence, in order to keep the World in balance and the US in line
Yeah he wants a Muslim superpower, because that will help ease colonial shame and help Muslims feel empowered, ending their need to act out in violence. That's really what he thinks the root causes of terrorism are: oppressed peoples lashing out against their oppressors. If only they weren't so oppressed, they'd stop being so violent, and ultimately we're to blame for it all.
Yeah he wants a Muslim superpower, because that will help ease colonial shame and help Muslims feel empowered, ending their need to act out in violence. That's really what he thinks the root causes of terrorism are: oppressed peoples lashing out against their oppressors. If only they weren't so oppressed, they'd stop being so violent, and ultimately we're to blame for it all.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 02:40 PM (39g3+)
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>>>Thanks I don't need a hint. What I gather is you believe the report and its recommendations are fair. You believe the prison stabbing reports listed are valid in regard to counting as extremist incidents.
Why don't you just list the two recommendations and how you disagree with them then?
Why don't you just list the two recommendations and how you disagree with them then?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:40 PM (g38i/)
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There was NEVER anyway to stop this.
Congress should have declared war on Iran. Then it's Treason.
Congress should have declared war on Iran. Then it's Treason.
Posted by: DaveA at April 24, 2017 02:43 PM (FhXTo)
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Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:40 PM (g38i/)
Because I'm not playing your game spike. You think the report is valid. I dont.
Because I'm not playing your game spike. You think the report is valid. I dont.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:44 PM (Z9mio)
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>>>And again never mind that none of those killings should in any way be listed in a report on terrorism.
You know how I know you didn't read the report?
You know how I know you didn't read the report?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:44 PM (g38i/)
439
Gipper Lives, must be a misunderstanding. Of course the deal was indefensible - as I routinely describe it. We're talking substance of it here.
I was giving my usual boring but well-founded lecture about process, since that was one of the points of contention.
Executive agreements have never been approved by the Senate, per se. Congress sometimes has a role in creating implementing legislation for such agreements (as with treaties). That's one source of power in this situation. Still don't understand why that wasn't used - even if without result, to raise the profile and put people on the hot seat - as part of a larger effort to "politicize" this.
But as JackStraw correctly pointed out at the time, the heart of the Iran containment project was a series of multi-lateral non-treaty agreements - with the US of course being the prime mover and enforcer dragging reluctant, useless, irresponsible "allies" along. Such a project is completely vulnerable to a US president abandoning it, without anyone's consent - that is, the rest of the world is off to the races, whatever restraints the Congress might keep or impose on the behavior of US companies.
I was giving my usual boring but well-founded lecture about process, since that was one of the points of contention.
Executive agreements have never been approved by the Senate, per se. Congress sometimes has a role in creating implementing legislation for such agreements (as with treaties). That's one source of power in this situation. Still don't understand why that wasn't used - even if without result, to raise the profile and put people on the hot seat - as part of a larger effort to "politicize" this.
But as JackStraw correctly pointed out at the time, the heart of the Iran containment project was a series of multi-lateral non-treaty agreements - with the US of course being the prime mover and enforcer dragging reluctant, useless, irresponsible "allies" along. Such a project is completely vulnerable to a US president abandoning it, without anyone's consent - that is, the rest of the world is off to the races, whatever restraints the Congress might keep or impose on the behavior of US companies.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2017 02:45 PM (mBYZv)
440
>>>Because I'm not playing your game spike. You think the report is valid. I dont.
Just list the 2 recommendations then. I'll even give partial credit.
Just list the 2 recommendations then. I'll even give partial credit.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:45 PM (g38i/)
441
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:45 PM (g38i/)
Recommendation
1. Put BSG on scroll by
2. Profit!
Recommendation
1. Put BSG on scroll by
2. Profit!
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:47 PM (Z9mio)
442
Do you need the page number for the recommendations? They are also in the gray box (the "highlights") if you don't want to read the report.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:49 PM (g38i/)
443
Most were due to be relaxed in the next few years anyway
Why didn't Ace bother to tell us that ?
Why didn't Ace bother to tell us that ?
Posted by: Him at April 24, 2017 02:51 PM (gd7hT)
444
>>>Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0deF2)
Did you move the goal posts? Where were they originally?
Did you move the goal posts? Where were they originally?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 02:51 PM (g38i/)
445
1. Put BSG on scroll by
2. Profit!
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:47 PM (Z9mio)
Exactly. He is an unserious lightweight, and argues disingenuosly, to boot.
2. Profit!
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 02:47 PM (Z9mio)
Exactly. He is an unserious lightweight, and argues disingenuosly, to boot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 02:56 PM (0deF2)
446
rhomboid-- got it. thanks.
The deal was ratified in the senate--the Iranian Senate.
And the UN, where the Saudis are in charge of women' rights.
The deal was ratified in the senate--the Iranian Senate.
And the UN, where the Saudis are in charge of women' rights.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 02:57 PM (m6qV1)
447
BSG - I am not going to get into a false pissing contest with you since you seem to be being deliberately obtuse or perhaps "concerned"
The recommendations are to direct the CVE task force to:
1. Develop a cohesive strategy that includes measurable outcomes for CVE activities and
2. Establish and implement a process to assess overall progress in CVE.
With CVE meaning both "right wing" terrorism and islamic terrorisim; with both being given equal emphasis for the task force based upon the report's statistical finding that there are more instances of "right wing" terrorism in the US than islamic terrorisim.
Yuo agree with that equal emphasis. I decidedly do not.
Thanks again for your "concern" but as I said I read the report - you, obviously, did not.
The recommendations are to direct the CVE task force to:
1. Develop a cohesive strategy that includes measurable outcomes for CVE activities and
2. Establish and implement a process to assess overall progress in CVE.
With CVE meaning both "right wing" terrorism and islamic terrorisim; with both being given equal emphasis for the task force based upon the report's statistical finding that there are more instances of "right wing" terrorism in the US than islamic terrorisim.
Yuo agree with that equal emphasis. I decidedly do not.
Thanks again for your "concern" but as I said I read the report - you, obviously, did not.
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 02:59 PM (Fb9aZ)
448
That's my boy!
Posted by: Anne Dunham's Ghost at April 24, 2017 03:08 PM (bpemY)
449
>>>Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 02:59 PM (Fb9aZ)
Finally someone knows the recommendations!!
Unfortunately CVE is not simply far right wing extremist or radical Islamist extremists but also far left wing extremists, which the report says includes environmental and animal rights extremists.
The CVE task force had some 44 tasks in the SIP that made no distinction between far right, Islsmist, or far left extremists.
The GAO report was not intended nor was it asked to evaluate whether the SIP was bullshit (which apparently is what several posters thought they should have done). The GAO report was asked to assess the implementation, which they did and which cover the 2 recommendations that we finally get posted. Which have nothing to do with far right or Islamic extremism.
But let's all shake our fists and get our panties bunched about some data that was provided only as background and had no impact on the recommendations.
PS someone mentioned Pinkerton in the thread. Funny, they were the original source of most of the data in START. Them and Air Force personnel.
Finally someone knows the recommendations!!
Unfortunately CVE is not simply far right wing extremist or radical Islamist extremists but also far left wing extremists, which the report says includes environmental and animal rights extremists.
The CVE task force had some 44 tasks in the SIP that made no distinction between far right, Islsmist, or far left extremists.
The GAO report was not intended nor was it asked to evaluate whether the SIP was bullshit (which apparently is what several posters thought they should have done). The GAO report was asked to assess the implementation, which they did and which cover the 2 recommendations that we finally get posted. Which have nothing to do with far right or Islamic extremism.
But let's all shake our fists and get our panties bunched about some data that was provided only as background and had no impact on the recommendations.
PS someone mentioned Pinkerton in the thread. Funny, they were the original source of most of the data in START. Them and Air Force personnel.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 03:18 PM (g38i/)
450
If nothing else, Look at the bio about Amin Ravan and it should make seethe with anger. He obtained US made transmitters, filtered them through China to Iran, and
"some of which ended up in a particularly deadly form of IED responsible for killing American troops in Iraq."
"some of which ended up in a particularly deadly form of IED responsible for killing American troops in Iraq."
Posted by: Wendy at April 24, 2017 03:18 PM (bpemY)
451
Sorry, this simply cannot be true. May I remind you that this was an administration without a whiff of scandal.
Posted by: Slo-Pitch Whiffer at April 24, 2017 03:26 PM (5JlYa)
452
But let's all shake our fists and get our panties
bunched about some data that was provided only as background and had no
impact on the recommendations.
PS someone mentioned Pinkerton in the thread. Funny, they were the
original source of most of the data in START. Them and Air Force
personnel.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 03:18 PM (g38i/)
***
Wrong - but nice try. Thanks for playing -
It (the findings in the appendix) clearly did have an impact, as the report sets forth, and this is in the fact that both sets of CVEs ("Right wing" and islam) are to be treated, as the report clearly states, co-equally; equal threats even though they are not ( or are you saying that they are?!?? If you are just say so so we all know where you stand). But, again , you knew that and are deliberately trying to obfuscate it? Why ? - because you are a concern troll apparently, or perhaps just a troll- although I don't recall you being particularly troll-ly before.
The appendix is a major part of the paper - it is also constantly cited by people in various parts of the government, and by lefty jack-offs, for the appendix findings in that the government must be just as vigilant of "right wing" terror as it is for islamic terror if not "more" as it is "statistically more of a threat" in their eyes.
That doesn't get your panties in a twist? Well booh-yah for you. It pisses me off is all I am saying.But, again, nice try.You get a D-
bunched about some data that was provided only as background and had no
impact on the recommendations.
PS someone mentioned Pinkerton in the thread. Funny, they were the
original source of most of the data in START. Them and Air Force
personnel.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 03:18 PM (g38i/)
***
Wrong - but nice try. Thanks for playing -
It (the findings in the appendix) clearly did have an impact, as the report sets forth, and this is in the fact that both sets of CVEs ("Right wing" and islam) are to be treated, as the report clearly states, co-equally; equal threats even though they are not ( or are you saying that they are?!?? If you are just say so so we all know where you stand). But, again , you knew that and are deliberately trying to obfuscate it? Why ? - because you are a concern troll apparently, or perhaps just a troll- although I don't recall you being particularly troll-ly before.
The appendix is a major part of the paper - it is also constantly cited by people in various parts of the government, and by lefty jack-offs, for the appendix findings in that the government must be just as vigilant of "right wing" terror as it is for islamic terror if not "more" as it is "statistically more of a threat" in their eyes.
That doesn't get your panties in a twist? Well booh-yah for you. It pisses me off is all I am saying.But, again, nice try.You get a D-
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 03:58 PM (Fb9aZ)
453
Obama gave the Iranians $150 billion?
The US Manhattan Project only cost $27 billion in 2016 dollars.
The US Manhattan Project only cost $27 billion in 2016 dollars.
Posted by: Socratease at April 24, 2017 04:02 PM (FqHs5)
454
@451 Sorry, this simply cannot be true. May I remind you that this was an administration without a whiff of scandal.
*****
Which is larger, a whiff or a smidgeon?
*****
Which is larger, a whiff or a smidgeon?
Posted by: steve walsh at April 24, 2017 04:05 PM (hloNl)
455
The Insein/Iran Scandal
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 24, 2017 04:19 PM (TEIU+)
456
>>>The appendix is a major part of the paper - it is also constantly cited by people in various parts of the government, and by lefty jack-offs,
Constantly cited? A report that's been out 18 days? Ok, then, should be easy to show me several instances where it's been "constantly cited".
>>>as the report sets forth, and this is in the fact that both sets of CVEs ("Right wing" and islam) are to be treated, as the report clearly states, co-equally
Citation from the report? Maybe you can go through the SIP tasks and show which ones are specific to which threat? Or maybe this isn't anywhere.
Yeah, you're pissed off. I'm not. Lighten up, you'll live longer.
Go back and reread the recommendations. Or stay pissed. Your life.
Constantly cited? A report that's been out 18 days? Ok, then, should be easy to show me several instances where it's been "constantly cited".
>>>as the report sets forth, and this is in the fact that both sets of CVEs ("Right wing" and islam) are to be treated, as the report clearly states, co-equally
Citation from the report? Maybe you can go through the SIP tasks and show which ones are specific to which threat? Or maybe this isn't anywhere.
Yeah, you're pissed off. I'm not. Lighten up, you'll live longer.
Go back and reread the recommendations. Or stay pissed. Your life.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 04:26 PM (g38i/)
457
Once again:
If an agent of the Muslim Brotherhood won the presidency of the United States how, exactly, would his conduct differ from Obama's conduct while in office?
If an agent of the Muslim Brotherhood won the presidency of the United States how, exactly, would his conduct differ from Obama's conduct while in office?
Posted by: simplemind at April 24, 2017 05:35 PM (xVRrG)
458
Clarifying what Ace said, there is no need for Iran to cheat on the deal because the deal is the cheat.
Uranium centrifuges, the deal says they stop refining uranium for nukes, and switch to other chemicals, hailed as a breakthrough.
However, Iran has been improving its centrifuges, lowering the time it takes to get the uranium.
Before it would have taken them thousands of years, they have the time down to just decades.
Now they can spend ten years working on other chemicals(fluorine), and get the process down to where they will be weeks away, all without cheating,
Uranium centrifuges, the deal says they stop refining uranium for nukes, and switch to other chemicals, hailed as a breakthrough.
However, Iran has been improving its centrifuges, lowering the time it takes to get the uranium.
Before it would have taken them thousands of years, they have the time down to just decades.
Now they can spend ten years working on other chemicals(fluorine), and get the process down to where they will be weeks away, all without cheating,
Posted by: MikeN at April 24, 2017 05:39 PM (o/eHL)
459
456
>>>The appendix is a major part of the paper - it is also
constantly cited by people in various parts of the government, and by
lefty jack-offs,
Constantly cited? A report that's been out 18 days? Ok, then, should
be easy to show me several instances where it's been "constantly
cited".
>>>as the report sets forth, and this is in the fact that
both sets of CVEs ("Right wing" and islam) are to be treated, as the
report clearly states, co-equally
Citation from the report? Maybe you can go through the SIP tasks and
show which ones are specific to which threat? Or maybe this isn't
anywhere.
Yeah, you're pissed off. I'm not. Lighten up, you'll live longer.
Go back and reread the recommendations. Or stay pissed. Your life.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 04:26 PM (g38i/)
****Again - nice try - the stats are from 2016 and before and are based up on government stats in this area all of which are constantly cited for the set reason of making it sound like "right wing" terroism is a big bigger problem than islamist terrorism - when it is not. I didn't say the report was being cited - I said the statistics it is based on are - but thanks for putting words in my mouth that I didn't say - sounding a little like a lefty troll my friend - but you keep on f*cking that chickenExample of this are contained in the following:
From last month:
https://tinyurl.com/mljz5se
Or pick from the following selection at this site of these stats being used an cherry picked:
https://www.hsdl.org/? collectionid=2471
Or this one:
https://tinyurl.com/mqydg5c
(Remove the spaces)
or look up and read:
"Right Wing Resurgence: How a Domestic Terrorism Threat is being Ignored," by Daryl Johnson
On the second point, as again you clearly did not read the report, try looking at pages 4 and 5 the reasoning is quite clear for a cogent person - the report clearly makes the same argument as cited by those above - that "right wing" extremism ( made up) is a bigger threat than islamic (real).
Look maybe you can't read - and that's OK. The first step towards solving a problem is admitting you have one
Anyway - this report is more of the same BS as cited above, that we have been hearing about for a long, long time, based on the same BS and cooked up stats and arguments (granted sometimes in different formats - but basically the same) and is a danger because it is the basis upon which spying and threatening legitimate, right side of the aisle political groups (Lois Lerner anyone?), through the government, is legitimized and weaponized. But hey - you are OK with it - that's good - good on ya lad - just remember when they break down your door first to put in a good word for the rest of us Mmm k? I on the other hand will be fine as I will be armed and ready and aware - unlike you. So thanks for your concern.
Grade : F
Want to earn a C? How about you answer these questions: Do you agree with the findings on pages 4 and 5? Do you find the stats in Appendix II to be correct? Are you in agreement with the recommendations on page 8 that government and community action to counter the messages of extremists on the right with government led/sponsored "alternative community messages" is appropriate? If you are, may I suggest leaving here and popping over and becoming a DailyKos commenter - it may suit you more.
>>>The appendix is a major part of the paper - it is also
constantly cited by people in various parts of the government, and by
lefty jack-offs,
Constantly cited? A report that's been out 18 days? Ok, then, should
be easy to show me several instances where it's been "constantly
cited".
>>>as the report sets forth, and this is in the fact that
both sets of CVEs ("Right wing" and islam) are to be treated, as the
report clearly states, co-equally
Citation from the report? Maybe you can go through the SIP tasks and
show which ones are specific to which threat? Or maybe this isn't
anywhere.
Yeah, you're pissed off. I'm not. Lighten up, you'll live longer.
Go back and reread the recommendations. Or stay pissed. Your life.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 04:26 PM (g38i/)
****Again - nice try - the stats are from 2016 and before and are based up on government stats in this area all of which are constantly cited for the set reason of making it sound like "right wing" terroism is a big bigger problem than islamist terrorism - when it is not. I didn't say the report was being cited - I said the statistics it is based on are - but thanks for putting words in my mouth that I didn't say - sounding a little like a lefty troll my friend - but you keep on f*cking that chickenExample of this are contained in the following:
From last month:
https://tinyurl.com/mljz5se
Or pick from the following selection at this site of these stats being used an cherry picked:
https://www.hsdl.org/? collectionid=2471
Or this one:
https://tinyurl.com/mqydg5c
(Remove the spaces)
or look up and read:
"Right Wing Resurgence: How a Domestic Terrorism Threat is being Ignored," by Daryl Johnson
On the second point, as again you clearly did not read the report, try looking at pages 4 and 5 the reasoning is quite clear for a cogent person - the report clearly makes the same argument as cited by those above - that "right wing" extremism ( made up) is a bigger threat than islamic (real).
Look maybe you can't read - and that's OK. The first step towards solving a problem is admitting you have one
Anyway - this report is more of the same BS as cited above, that we have been hearing about for a long, long time, based on the same BS and cooked up stats and arguments (granted sometimes in different formats - but basically the same) and is a danger because it is the basis upon which spying and threatening legitimate, right side of the aisle political groups (Lois Lerner anyone?), through the government, is legitimized and weaponized. But hey - you are OK with it - that's good - good on ya lad - just remember when they break down your door first to put in a good word for the rest of us Mmm k? I on the other hand will be fine as I will be armed and ready and aware - unlike you. So thanks for your concern.
Grade : F
Want to earn a C? How about you answer these questions: Do you agree with the findings on pages 4 and 5? Do you find the stats in Appendix II to be correct? Are you in agreement with the recommendations on page 8 that government and community action to counter the messages of extremists on the right with government led/sponsored "alternative community messages" is appropriate? If you are, may I suggest leaving here and popping over and becoming a DailyKos commenter - it may suit you more.
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 06:11 PM (Fb9aZ)
460
>>>Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 06:11 PM (Fb9aZ)
Wow! You really are all fired up, aren't you? Look at you!
Let's look at the 2 recommendations from the GAO report, shall we?
1. Develop a cohesive strategy that includes measurable outcomes for CVE activities and
2. Establish and implement a process to assess overall progress in CVE.
What do these mean? (They were in fact stated in the report but let' brush up, shall we?)
For #1, it means there is NO cohesive strategy and NO measurable outcomes for the CVE Task Force that has been around since 2011.
For #2, it means there is NO process to assess overall progress in combating violent extremism.
IOW, typical government throw money down a hole program. This is as harsh a criticism as you're going to find in a GAO report.
Go back to the stats that you have such a case of the ass about. Go to the timeline chart.
Now, the CVE TF has been around since 2011. LOOK AT THE INCIDENTS OF VIOLENT EXTREMISM BEFORE AND AFTER 2011.
No impact, right? None?
So which one of us is "fucking that chicken"?
The one who is taking the report recommendations and pointing out that the CVE TF, PER THE GAO REPORT, has NO cohesive strategy, NO measurable outcomes, and NO process to assess the effectiveness of ANY of its activities?
Or the one who is "concerned" about including in the AB as violent extremists and plans on being "armed and ready" when the boogeymen "break down his door"?
You know how I know you don't play poker?
Wow! You really are all fired up, aren't you? Look at you!
Let's look at the 2 recommendations from the GAO report, shall we?
1. Develop a cohesive strategy that includes measurable outcomes for CVE activities and
2. Establish and implement a process to assess overall progress in CVE.
What do these mean? (They were in fact stated in the report but let' brush up, shall we?)
For #1, it means there is NO cohesive strategy and NO measurable outcomes for the CVE Task Force that has been around since 2011.
For #2, it means there is NO process to assess overall progress in combating violent extremism.
IOW, typical government throw money down a hole program. This is as harsh a criticism as you're going to find in a GAO report.
Go back to the stats that you have such a case of the ass about. Go to the timeline chart.
Now, the CVE TF has been around since 2011. LOOK AT THE INCIDENTS OF VIOLENT EXTREMISM BEFORE AND AFTER 2011.
No impact, right? None?
So which one of us is "fucking that chicken"?
The one who is taking the report recommendations and pointing out that the CVE TF, PER THE GAO REPORT, has NO cohesive strategy, NO measurable outcomes, and NO process to assess the effectiveness of ANY of its activities?
Or the one who is "concerned" about including in the AB as violent extremists and plans on being "armed and ready" when the boogeymen "break down his door"?
You know how I know you don't play poker?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 07:00 PM (RrhD2)
461
So - BSG you won't answer my questions- and in fact just say the same meaningless bs without addressing anything in the report- particularly the reports clear statements regarding "right wing" CVEs. Hey- get back to me when you read the report and can answer my questions . Until then your retard level remains:
[ ]. Low
[ X]. High
Grade : F-
Read my last post - answer my questions or your status will remain as above. Poker face? I will put my poker face up against your bitter face any day. - soros troll
[ ]. Low
[ X]. High
Grade : F-
Read my last post - answer my questions or your status will remain as above. Poker face? I will put my poker face up against your bitter face any day. - soros troll
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 07:09 PM (72Jvf)
462
Your quote 1: "The appendix is a major part of the paper - it is also constantly cited by people in various parts of the government, and by lefty jack-offs, for the appendix findings"
Your quote 2: "I didn't say the report was being cited"
My reading? Or your writing? Or you just don't want to admit you made a sloppy claim?
Your quote 2: "I didn't say the report was being cited"
My reading? Or your writing? Or you just don't want to admit you made a sloppy claim?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 07:11 PM (RrhD2)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 07:13 PM (RrhD2)
464
So still not answering my questions- because you don't want to and because you talk funny and your sh*t's all retarded. But mostly because you talk funny and your sh*t's all retarded.
Ok Trollio - you still get an F -
I warned you your status would not change until you answered my questions - now go away or a shall taunt you yet another time. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!
(Gosh I love taunting trolls so please keep responding by not answering my questions or offering any facts or logic - love you Man - most fun I have had in a while!)
Ok Trollio - you still get an F -
I warned you your status would not change until you answered my questions - now go away or a shall taunt you yet another time. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!
(Gosh I love taunting trolls so please keep responding by not answering my questions or offering any facts or logic - love you Man - most fun I have had in a while!)
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 07:46 PM (72Jvf)
465
Can I grade your taunting?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 07:51 PM (RrhD2)
466
Nope - gotta answer my questions Banana Spits Guy- that last post means you get another taunt, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction and continue to dismiss your silly bowl legged running about.
Grade still :
F-
Grade still :
F-
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 07:56 PM (72Jvf)
467
These taunts are really weak. Do you get better as you get warmed up? Or worse?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 07:57 PM (7h4Fr)
468
These taunts are really weak. Do you get better as you get warmed up? Or worse?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 07:57 PM (7h4Fr)
***
Oh no ~ warming up denotes that I am cold. And that is not so. I am so hot. So very very hot. And you, my devilishly inept little ragamuffin, are so very, very lost. You still have not answered my questions, Banana Soros Man. So you again shall be taunted mercilessly.
I, one more time, unclog my nose in your direction, son of a window-dresser! So, you think you could out-clever we conservative folk with your silly, knees-bent running about in SJW type, dancing behavior! I wave my private parts at your aunty, you cheesy, secondhand electric donkey bottom biter.
You, man, are making this too damn easy. I think you should call Bill Wynn ~ you may be the new running "troll" joke name on Ace of Spades ducky! The fact that you do not even understand/get the insults that are happening to you makes this even sweeter! Oh, your tears. They taste so sweet! Mmmmmm. Please do not answer my questions ~ please try and say something that you think is "pithy." Please continue to not even understand what is being done to you. Please continue to be a lefty troll and miss the meaning of everything. Please!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 07:57 PM (7h4Fr)
***
Oh no ~ warming up denotes that I am cold. And that is not so. I am so hot. So very very hot. And you, my devilishly inept little ragamuffin, are so very, very lost. You still have not answered my questions, Banana Soros Man. So you again shall be taunted mercilessly.
I, one more time, unclog my nose in your direction, son of a window-dresser! So, you think you could out-clever we conservative folk with your silly, knees-bent running about in SJW type, dancing behavior! I wave my private parts at your aunty, you cheesy, secondhand electric donkey bottom biter.
You, man, are making this too damn easy. I think you should call Bill Wynn ~ you may be the new running "troll" joke name on Ace of Spades ducky! The fact that you do not even understand/get the insults that are happening to you makes this even sweeter! Oh, your tears. They taste so sweet! Mmmmmm. Please do not answer my questions ~ please try and say something that you think is "pithy." Please continue to not even understand what is being done to you. Please continue to be a lefty troll and miss the meaning of everything. Please!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g
Posted by: Pavlov cleaning up the pool of drool form the millionth doorbell ring at April 24, 2017 10:58 PM (UOr6C)
469
haha. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 24, 2017 11:09 PM (UOr6C)
470
It took you 3 hours to come up with that? I'm sorry I hurt your feewings by saying that you shouldn't have brought your deep thoughts into the next thread as it has clearly upset you. We'll see how long your butthurt lasts!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 11:58 PM (x1XAV)
471
NO Trollio ~ you cannot apologize ~ you can only answer my questions or continue to receive taunts, so foul, so deeply intense that you will remember them even when you are facebooking your SJW friends. In the alternative ~ you can simply STFU. But it is entirely up to you as I am not the, as you call it, "the butthurt one."
So ~ still can't answer my questions eh? And you are still clueless on the insults. God this is great. Well then:
Apologize? No chance, SJW, troll bedwetting type. I burst pimples at you and call your apologies, as well as your non existent arguments, a silly thing. You tiny-brained wiper of other people's bottoms!
Grade still:
F-
Best part? You still have no clue on what is happening. Please, please, please be stupid enough to respond again and not answer my questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSGkBWYDmrM
So ~ still can't answer my questions eh? And you are still clueless on the insults. God this is great. Well then:
Apologize? No chance, SJW, troll bedwetting type. I burst pimples at you and call your apologies, as well as your non existent arguments, a silly thing. You tiny-brained wiper of other people's bottoms!
Grade still:
F-
Best part? You still have no clue on what is happening. Please, please, please be stupid enough to respond again and not answer my questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSGkBWYDmrM
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 25, 2017 06:14 AM (UOr6C)
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:::snicker:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 25, 2017 06:37 AM (x1XAV)
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