Mid-Morning Open Thread
[When I Want An Art Critic's Opinion I'll Beat It Out Of Him]

breton.jpg

Breton Brother and Sister
William Bouguereau

This is gorgeous. And a testament to the concept that good things come to those who work hard.

Sorry "performance artists" and "installation artists" and "Three Used Tissues And A Broken Tea Cup artists." This guy worked hard at being an artist, and he succeeded.

Based on sketches Bouguereau made while summering in Brittany in the late 1860s, this picture was completed in the artist's studio in 1871. His young models, posed in traditional Breton costumes, epitomize pastoral sibling affection. This type of scene was quickly snapped up by American collectors, earning Bouguereau fame and fortune. As one critic explained, "Whoever gets a picture by [him] gets the full worth of his money, in finished painting, first-rate drawing, and a subject and treatment that no well-bred person can...fault."

[Hat Tip: Hyacinthoides non-scripta]

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM




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Posted by: Rick in SK at April 13, 2017 09:23 AM (FZYNt)

2 summoned

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 13, 2017 09:23 AM (FZYNt)

3 they look like Mennonite terrorists

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 13, 2017 09:24 AM (FZYNt)

4 Wow - that's so beautiful.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:24 AM (dFi94)

5 th!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2017 09:24 AM (p+Wdc)

6 Beautiful painting, but big sis looks less than thrilled.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2017 09:25 AM (p+Wdc)

7 Well - I definitely spotted the sniper.

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:26 AM (Fb9aZ)

8 Now THAT'S what I call art.

Posted by: Dick Morris at April 13, 2017 09:26 AM (4e0F4)

9 Yikes! Clicking the picture downloaded it.

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:26 AM (Gqgs8)

10 Gorgeous. They look like they could jump off the canvas and into the real world.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at April 13, 2017 09:26 AM (N3JsI)

11 RMBS took the words right out of my keyboard: lovely picture, older girl would rather be somewhere else.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 09:26 AM (RD7QR)

12 Look at those sweet little faces.

The painting is so clear, it almost looks like a photograph.

And I love all the colors. Beautiful picture - thanks, CBD.

Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:26 AM (sBOL1)

13 'Kearny man' kills wife and mother of his children



Way at the end of the article we find is he is an illegal.



http://tinyurl.com/krdfjhw



Narrative....


Great tell there. Up here it's "Lawrence Man", "Lynn Man", "Framingham Resident"....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (p+Wdc)

14 I love the colors. They make me want to feel the material.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (dFi94)

15 She's got some hawt piggies.

Posted by: Dick Morris at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (fqERy)

16 Alternate title to this work: "Child without an I-phone in His Hand"

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (Fb9aZ)

17 LOL. If you ever want some entertainment, praise William Bouguereau's work to a group of art snobs.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (nwqNw)

18 older girl would rather be somewhere else.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 09:26 AM (RD7QR)
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You think so? To me she looks content and serene.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (dFi94)

19 Based on sketches Bouguereau made while summering in Brittany

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I'd like to spend a summer in Brittany, IYKWIM

Posted by: josephistan at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (7HtZB)

20 Love these guys that do this photo-realistic (almost) kind of work. When I win the lottery I'm gonna get me some of these.

Posted by: goon at April 13, 2017 09:28 AM (EaQ6/)

21 16 Alternate title to this work: "Child without an I-phone in His Hand"
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (Fb9aZ)

But he does have an apple.

Posted by: josephistan at April 13, 2017 09:28 AM (7HtZB)

22 Alternate title to this work: "Child without an I-phone in His Hand"

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (Fb9aZ)



However, he is holding an Apple product.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 13, 2017 09:28 AM (9q7Dl)

23 I wonder if there's a word for that particular style of head covering?

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (dFi94)

24 21
16 Alternate title to this work: "Child without an I-phone in His Hand"

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (Fb9aZ)



But he does have an apple.

Posted by: josephistan at April 13, 2017 09:28 AM (7HtZB)

Heh - that is why I love this place!

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (Fb9aZ)

25 >>>23 I wonder if there's a word for that particular style of head covering?
Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (dFi94)

Is that a wimple?

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (Gqgs8)

26 Incredibly life-like. The faces look like photos superimposed over a painting.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (vg8iE)

27 LOL. If you ever want some entertainment, praise William Bouguereau's work to a group of art snobs.
Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (nwqNw)
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Kris, really? Is he not considered a good artist by the powers that be?

I think this is lovely. But then again, I'm no art snob, so what do I know!

Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (sBOL1)

28 *shakes fist at computer*


Curse you, josephstan!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (9q7Dl)

29 Has anyone tried Opera Coast browser on iPad? I had Mercury but it's gone.
Someone recommended Chrome, but when I looked at most recent ratings they have 1 star?
I liked Mercury to open tiny urls linked here.

I had Dolpin, but looked & can't open links.

Any other suggestions?

Posted by: Carol at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (sj3Ax)

30 Speaking of "hands", I'd also like to know where anyone has seen any better feet painting than this. A real masterpiece of accuracy and care.

Posted by: goon at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (EaQ6/)

31 I feel funny looking at this picture.

Posted by: Rex Ryan at April 13, 2017 09:30 AM (9hpn+)

32 For brother and sister, they sure seem to have different hair and skin coloring.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:30 AM (dFi94)

33
Barefoot children, forced to pick fruit from trees for subsistence. Of course the vast right wing conspiracy likes this Photoshop.

Follow me on Twitter.

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 13, 2017 09:30 AM (HTdUD)

34 I have a poster from a Bouguereau exhibition at the California Palace of Art (the Arts?) someone brought me many years ago. Girl sitting on the side of a well, reminds me of this girl. Has always been one of my favorite things.

Posted by: Miss Sippi at April 13, 2017 09:30 AM (Tcfj+)

35 Thick ankles.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 13, 2017 09:31 AM (igd3d)

36 This guy is not a real artist. A real artist hates his subject matter and revels in the pain his works bring the fools who are forced to pay for this.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet -Your Conspiracy Theory Outfitter - Reynolds Wrap 30% Off! at April 13, 2017 09:31 AM (hLRSq)

37 32 For brother and sister, they sure seem to have different hair and skin coloring.

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The milkman delivered more than the milk one day....

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 13, 2017 09:31 AM (vg8iE)

38 30
Speaking of "hands", I'd also like to know where anyone has seen any
better feet painting than this. A real masterpiece of accuracy and care.

Posted by: goon at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (EaQ6/)

Foot fetishes were discussed in an earlier thread I believe - along with Pizzagate.

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:31 AM (Fb9aZ)

39 Is that a wimple?

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (Gqgs
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That was my thought too.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:31 AM (dFi94)

40 A lovely grove of trees showing how they enclose the two young mammals (looks like a young adult and a larva/?juvenile). Nice treatment of the rock there. Probably a glacial erratic.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 13, 2017 09:31 AM (CPk08)

41 Mom's ATV is parked off to the side and out of view.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 09:32 AM (fqERy)

42 I like this artist. I always have. I'm not at all knowledgeable about art, but I know what I like.

I also like Lawrence Alma-Tadema, if CBD is looking for suggestions. This is Spring, from 1894:

http://tinyurl.com/kkahx2a



Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 13, 2017 09:32 AM (X6fMO)

43 Carol, try the Brave browser. I use it on my iMac, Macbook and iPhone with no trouble. I do have an iPad, but don't use it often, so I don't think I've got it on there. But I would think it would work okay since it works on my iPhone.

Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:32 AM (sBOL1)

44 Lovely painting. How the heck did he get the toddler to sit still?

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 13, 2017 09:33 AM (MIKMs)

45 I'd also like to know where anyone has seen any better feet painting than this. A real masterpiece of accuracy and care.

Posted by: goon at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (EaQ6/)
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Yeah, they are very good. Right down to the arch in her foot.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:33 AM (dFi94)

46 32 For brother and sister, they sure seem to have different hair and skin coloring.
Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:30 AM (dFi94)

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They're still not sure who the mother is.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 09:33 AM (kTF2Z)

47 Yes, it's a brilliant painting, but I've seen thousands of photographs that are just as good.

But yeah, this was 1871. I guess context is everything.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at April 13, 2017 09:33 AM (Yi9Gb)

48 Kris, really? Is he not considered a good artist by the powers that be?

I think this is lovely. But then again, I'm no art snob, so what do I know!

Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (sBOL1)

He had the unfortunate timing of painting during the rise of Impressionism and Modernism. He is seen as a saccharine relic of the Past whose art does nothing to contribute to modern Society. All the artistic criticisms you heard about Norman Rockwell (i.e. too cute, not serious, not relevant to the struggle, etc.), put on William Bouguereau.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:34 AM (nwqNw)

49 The traditional headresses of Bretagne are called "coiffes" or, singular "coiffe"

http://local-moda.blogspot.com/2013/03/ traditional-headdress-of-women-of.html

remove spaces

I have been there and the fancy ones - with lace are very, very beautiful

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:34 AM (Fb9aZ)

50 "If you ever want some entertainment, praise William Bouguereau's work to a group of art snobs."

You mean he's no Rothko?

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (97XyN)

51 39 Is that a wimple?

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (Gqgs
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That was my thought too.
Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:31 AM (dFi94)


It is possibly a picture from Normandy, where the women traditionally wore cotton bonnets, each district/village having its style.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (CPk08)

52 Breton Brother and Sister

Brother and sister? Her complexion is darker though. Did she identify as African American?

Posted by: Shaun King at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (4e0F4)

53 Extremely embiggenable version of this picture, at the Met:

http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/435754

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (Gqgs8)

54 I don't know about how Opera runs on an iPad, but if it's anything nearly as good as the PC version then I think that you will be pleased. I find it to be lightweight, quick and it suppresses advertising fairly well. I don't have any comment about browser security, but I don't visit any strange sites other than, eh-hem, the AOSHQ, and my malware protection seems adequate.

Posted by: goon at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (EaQ6/)

55 His 'girl defending herself from Eros ' is nekkid goodness.

Seriously this is probably his best technically produced painting from his collection. His others are good but don't quite compare.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (jl269)

56 I have been there and the fancy ones - with lace are very, very beautiful


Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:34 AM (Fb9aZ)
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Thanks for the info, Publius. I learn so many things here.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (dFi94)

57 Is that a wimple?

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (Gqgs



No, she uses Proactiv.








Thank you, madames and monsuiers, I'll be here all week.

Try the Roast Pork with Breton Apples in Armagnac .

Be sure to tip your waitress.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 13, 2017 09:36 AM (9q7Dl)

58 All the artistic criticisms you heard about Norman Rockwell (i.e. too cute, not serious, not relevant to the struggle, etc.), put on William Bouguereau.
Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:34 AM (nwqNw)
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Ah. No wonder. I love Norman Rockwell. No wonder I like this picture too.

Thanks.

Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:36 AM (sBOL1)

59 It is possibly a picture from Normandy, where the women traditionally wore cotton bonnets, each district/village having its style.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (CPk0

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And onions. Don't forget the onions on the belt.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 09:36 AM (kTF2Z)

60 Sorry: Bretagne, not Normandy. I stand corrected: thank you Publius Redux.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 13, 2017 09:37 AM (CPk08)

61 >>>32 For brother and sister, they sure seem to have different hair and skin coloring.
Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:30 AM (dFi94)

Their lips are identical.

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:37 AM (Gqgs8)

62 Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:34 AM (nwqNw)

Which is ironic since the impressionists were bashed around pretty good by the art critics when they first appeared .

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 09:37 AM (jl269)

63 The grass and other elements around her legs and feet are much less defined. Maybe he didn't like painting dirt.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:38 AM (dFi94)

64 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (CPk0

Painting scenes from Brittany was very popular at the time. The people of Brittany were seen as simple people and primitives who had shirked the terrible lifestyle of Modern France for a more pure, true existence. It's a take on the "Noble Savage" theme.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:38 AM (nwqNw)

65 Is she aware of her brother's privilege? Up the Revolution.

Posted by: Shaun King at April 13, 2017 09:38 AM (4e0F4)

66
And onions. Don't forget the onions on the belt.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 09:36 AM (kTF2Z)


Not to be confused with the Parisian striped shirt and baguette, which is de rigeur before 11:00 AM, between Easter and Advent.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 13, 2017 09:38 AM (CPk08)

67 Their lips are identical.

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:37 AM (Gqgs
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Oh yes - I see that now.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:39 AM (dFi94)

68 The look on their faces...must have just heard about Ben Carson being stuck in an elevator.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 09:40 AM (fqERy)

69 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (p+Wdc)

You see the same thing for human trafficking. Over all the "California man/woman" (or really, "insert state here") has an Asian, hispanic or muslim name and was not raised in the US. As a group, Judeo-Christian whites don't go in for trafficking and *Americans* don't either.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 13, 2017 09:41 AM (sEDyY)

70 This painting reminds me of the Dutch painter Vermeer.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 09:41 AM (jl269)

71 To become a well known painting the artist should have titled it, "The Last Apple" since global warming will destroy all crops and the brother and sister will subsequently be locked in a dystopian incestuous relationship producing deformed progeny that communicates through whistles and grunts.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at April 13, 2017 09:41 AM (zvdvr)

72 To me she looks content and serene.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (dFi94)

Agreed.

And I could get all deconstructionist and artsy-fartsy and say that she is the personification of the Madonna with child.

This ain't just simple pretty art.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 09:41 AM (rF0hx)

73
"Breton Brother and Sister"

But who identifies as who?

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM (322R1)

74 Today is the first day of the Easter Triduum, which consists of Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and then the Easter Vigil Mass on Saturday night, which is absolutely the most beautiful Mass of the year. And long. Very long. But incredible.

I will be here for just a bit, but then I'll be gone until Easter. For all my fellow Christians, have a blessed Holy Week and a joyous Easter. For all our Jewish friends, Happy Passover.

May God keep us all safe in our houses of worship, and may He bless us all.

Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM (sBOL1)

75 This painting reminds me of the Dutch painter Vermeer.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 09:41 AM (jl269)
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Yes.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM (dFi94)

76 Well I have the new computer running finally. Just can't figure out how to set up Windows 10 yet.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM (mpXpK)

77 Which is ironic since the impressionists were bashed around pretty good by the art critics when they first appeared .
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 09:37 AM (jl269)

By the Academy and the Traditionalists, yes. The younger generation of critics tended to support the Realists and Impressionists. By the time of the Post-Impressionists, Traditionalism has lost its influence on the art world. It would try to hang on, especially in the USA, but World War I was the final nail in its coffin.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM (nwqNw)

78 >>>21
But he does have an apple.
Posted by: josephistan at April 13, 2017 09:28 AM (7HtZB)

He has two.

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:43 AM (Gqgs8)

79 Chicago Tribune: The newspaper is a master on how they manage to put an anti-Trump tone to almost every news story they write. It can be just about anything, today its about Trump gutting the EPA...amazing.

Posted by: Colin at April 13, 2017 09:43 AM (RS7vk)

80 To me she looks content and serene.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM


Having further embiggened the art, I can agree with that.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2017 09:43 AM (p+Wdc)

81
64 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (CPk0

Painting scenes from Brittany was very popular at the time. The people of Brittany were seen as simple people and primitives who had shirked the terrible lifestyle of Modern France for a more pure, true existence. It's a take on the "Noble Savage" theme.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:38 AM (nwqNw)






Seeing as this painting was completed in 1871 I started wondering about art themes in Europe and the influence of the Franco-Prussian War. That war had an enormous influence on European politics (one could credibly argue that it was just the first campaign in a Greater European War that only ended in 1945), and I'm wondering if it had the same effect on art.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 13, 2017 09:44 AM (XWkhW)

82 I look forward to this thread every morning. It's so nice to have other opinions about art than the ones I was surrounded by every day.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:45 AM (nwqNw)

83 What a gorgeous painting. Appropriate colors that are appealing but not distracting and they set off the brilliance of her white blouse and head piece. I love the way he captures the folds in the material.

The very realistic look of the children and their sharp delineation makes them pop out from the softer and darker background, outing the viewers' focus where it belongs. And the direct stare of the young models establishes a bridge with the audience. I feel that direct look emphasizes their innocent youth; there's nothing of artifice or calculation in it.

I've seen other Bouguereau's works. The man seems to genuinely enjoy painting his subjects whether this couple or the sensual pleasures of a bather or Venus. I find his art, and it is art, to be highly desirable.

Thanks for another great thread, CBD.

Posted by: JTB at April 13, 2017 09:45 AM (V+03K)

84 Vic,
Good luck trying to set up Windows 10.

Posted by: Carol at April 13, 2017 09:46 AM (sj3Ax)

85
Just can't figure out how to set up Windows 10 yet.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM (mpXpK)








In the trash bin while you install Win 7?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 13, 2017 09:46 AM (XWkhW)

86 Sublime.

Great painting, CBD!

Thank you.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at April 13, 2017 09:47 AM (oQQwD)

87 There seems to be a light mist in the background. Is it sarin gas?

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 09:47 AM (fqERy)

88 Painting scenes from Brittany was very popular at the time. The people of Brittany were seen as simple people and primitives who had shirked the terrible lifestyle of Modern France for a more pure, true existence. It's a take on the "Noble Savage" theme.
Posted by: Kris


Hah! Liberals were so naive back then. Everybody knows that in order to romanticize Noble Savages, you must import actual savages!

They lacked my advanced grievance technological breakthroughs.

Posted by: Angela Merkel at April 13, 2017 09:47 AM (7T8jT)

89 Today is the first day of the Easter Triduum, which
consists of Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and then the Easter Vigil Mass
on Saturday night, which is absolutely the most beautiful Mass of the
year. And long. Very long. But incredible.



I will be here for just a bit, but then I'll be gone until Easter.
For all my fellow Christians, have a blessed Holy Week and a joyous
Easter. For all our Jewish friends, Happy Passover.



May God keep us all safe in our houses of worship, and may He bless us all.





Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM (sBOL1)
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Blessing so you and your family, Bluebell, as we celebrate the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

I will be gone from the threads as well until after Resurrection Sunday. However, I will still try to post a morning devotional, Good Friday till Easter. Today's devotional on Holy Thursday is on the morning thread, at post 195.
May the Lord bless you and keep you. May He make His face shine upon you, and give you His peace. Hang on - Sunday's coming.

Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:47 AM (dFi94)

90 Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM

And to you and yours, bluebell. Today starts the marathon of services between now and late morning on Sunday. The weather looks good, the family's all set for Pascha. Now I just have to finish the week ambulatory and awake enough to help read the Gospel Sunday morning....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2017 09:48 AM (p+Wdc)

91 Well I have the new computer running finally. Just can't figure out how to set up Windows 10 yet.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM (mpXpK)

Way to go, Vic!!

Posted by: Golfman at April 13, 2017 09:48 AM (yxVpR)

92 56
I have been there and the fancy ones - with lace are very, very beautiful




Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:34 AM (Fb9aZ)
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Thanks for the info, Publius. I learn so many things here.


Posted by: grammie winger - alleluia! at April 13, 2017 09:35 AM (dFi94)
Heya Grammie-W - you are always welcome. Speaking of being welcome - was in your neighborhood of Chicago - at Harry Caray's steakhouse for "Toast to Harry Day" - with tons o' Cubbies fans - and had a great time - was thinking of you! Daughter Redux may be attending the Columbia College Film School, btw.

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:48 AM (Fb9aZ)

93 >>the Franco-Prussian War. That war had an enormous
influence on European politics (one could credibly argue that it was
just the first campaign in a Greater European War that only ended in
1945), and I'm wondering if it had the same effect on art. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 13, 2017 09:44 AM (XWkhW)

You might enjoy "The Judgement of Paris: The Revolutionary Decade That Gave The World Impressionism" by Ross King. I did.

Posted by: General Zod at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (Bdeb0)

94 Seeing as this painting was completed in 1871 I started wondering about art themes in Europe and the influence of the Franco-Prussian War. That war had an enormous influence on European politics (one could credibly argue that it was just the first campaign in a Greater European War that only ended in 1945), and I'm wondering if it had the same effect on art.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 13, 2017 09:44 AM (XWkhW)

The study of art cannot be completed without the study of its historical context. I don't know much about the Franco-Prussian War, the Paris Commune or its political aftermath. It definitely affected French art though. When I taught this period, I dedicated a huge chunk of class time to just the facts of World War I. That War had a profound effect on art history.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (nwqNw)

95 The little kid has to go. We need that lap for an employee.

NOW Junior.

Posted by: UA at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (PNcou)

96 Happy Easter, Bluebell!!

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at April 13, 2017 09:50 AM (oQQwD)

97 Heh. Now Assad is saying the US fabricated the gas attack. Pretty much confirms there was a gas attack or he would just deny it happened.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 09:50 AM (kTF2Z)

98 Rondinella Mamma, I doubt you saw it, but I left you a note on one of the threads a few days ago. If you haven't seen this movie, I think you would really like it: The Gospel According to St. Matthew. TheJamesMadison recommended it. It's streaming for free on Amazon Prime right now, if you have it. It was made in Italy in the mid 60s by Pasolini.

Here's a really interesting review of it by Steven Greydanus:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kba2zvj

Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:50 AM (sBOL1)

99 The maid looks Romanii; I call gypsy. The kid is probably stolen, but just recently.

Posted by: General Zod at April 13, 2017 09:50 AM (Bdeb0)

100 95
The little kid has to go. We need that lap for an employee.



NOW Junior.

Posted by: UA at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (PNcou)

Heh. Awesome - that's not just the thread winner - I declare that the "Weekly Threadwinner Laureate."

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 09:51 AM (Fb9aZ)

101 The detail and realism are amazing in this one. I wish I had artistic talent. I can doodle like a mofo, though.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at April 13, 2017 09:51 AM (0mRoj)

102 I was a wannabe artist so I guess you could say art and war was intertwined.

Posted by: Adolf at April 13, 2017 09:51 AM (jl269)

103 30 Speaking of "hands", I'd also like to know where anyone has seen any better feet painting than this. A real masterpiece of accuracy and care.
Posted by: goon at April 13, 2017 09:29 AM (EaQ6/)

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Get off my lawn

Posted by: QuentinT. at April 13, 2017 09:51 AM (PNcou)

104 From my dim memory, a lot of European towns had distinctive clothing/headgear. So did cloistered religious -- think Flying Nun. I seem to remember nurses having caps that were different for each school as well.

I don't think it ever really caught on in the US, aside from the Amish and academe.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 13, 2017 09:51 AM (MIKMs)

105 All the artistic criticisms you heard about Norman
Rockwell (i.e. too cute, not serious, not relevant to the struggle,
etc.), put on William Bouguereau.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:34 AM (nwqNw)

I have seen far too many highly regarded (by the art establishment) modern art pieces that, frankly, sucked donkey dick.

When I want an art critic's opinion I'll beat it out of him.

The proof is in the crowds. And my experience in dozens of museums across the United States and Europe is that the people...the great unwashed, ignorant fools...know quality when they see it.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 09:52 AM (rF0hx)

106 Remember kids, if you convince your parents to vote for me, the government will give you FREE shoes.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 13, 2017 09:52 AM (7T8jT)

107
You might enjoy "The Judgement of Paris: The Revolutionary Decade That Gave The World Impressionism" by Ross King. I did.

Posted by: General Zod at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (Bdeb0)





Ooo, that looks good. Right on point. Thanks.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 13, 2017 09:52 AM (XWkhW)

108 New York's free college should workout real well......For North Carolina, Texas, etc.

Every year, thousands of newcollege gradsreceive their diplomas from
prestigiousupstate New York universities only to take flight moments
after they step off the stage, bidding a fond, and sometimesnot so
fond, farewell to a place they called atemporary home for four years.

Posted by: Colin at April 13, 2017 09:52 AM (RS7vk)

109 >>>94

When I taught this period, I dedicated a huge chunk of class time to just the facts of World War I. That War had a profound effect on art history.
Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (nwqNw)

Kris:

You might like the new Mark Steyn chat about WWI I recommended in the earlier thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCNflPm_UzU

Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:53 AM (Gqgs8)

110 Hah! Liberals were so naive back then. Everybody knows that in order to romanticize Noble Savages, you must import actual savages!

They lacked my advanced grievance technological breakthroughs.
Posted by: Angela Merkel at April 13, 2017 09:47 AM (7T8jT)

Oh, they did. The Romantics were notorious for this. The American Indian was a very popular theme. I enjoy Joseph Wright of Derby's "Indian Widow".

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:53 AM (nwqNw)

111 It came with 10 so I am stuck with it unless I want to buy 7 separately.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 13, 2017 09:54 AM (mpXpK)

112 GA-6 special next Tues.: new poll

Shows DEM @ 39%-- nowhere near the 50% he'd need to win outright.

One-on-one, against either of the 2 leading GOP candidates, the DEM (Ossoff; VERY bad news indeed) loses by about 8 points or so.

The DEM in GA-6 has raised $4 mill. THIS is the one where the DNC has bet all the chips they have-- NOT the one last Tues. in KS; not MT at large; not the one in SC. THIS one in GA, to replace Tom Price. It's upscale suburban & Mr. Orange didn't run particularly well there. Underperformed Romney by a zillion points. OK... 17 points.

The poll was commissioned by Red Racing Horses (RRH) & is +/- 5 points MOE. It's a legit lol by a neutral outfit, imo.

Posted by: mnw at April 13, 2017 09:54 AM (aVY3U)

113
Im not much of an artsy kinda guy.

But this painting is impressive. Detail, depth, lighting and shadows.

And the eyes. He nailed the eyes.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 09:55 AM (8XRCm)

114 108 I believe the lucky students will have to sign an agreement to reside in NYS for four years after graduation. If they graduate.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 09:55 AM (fqERy)

115 Je ne suis pas no ways fahhtiiigue.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 13, 2017 09:56 AM (7T8jT)

116 should read "legit poll"

Don't spellcheck me, bo.

Posted by: mnw at April 13, 2017 09:56 AM (aVY3U)

117 that is like a picture.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl... at April 13, 2017 09:57 AM (0O7c5)

118 >>>>>GA-6 special next Tues.: new poll



Shows DEM @ 39%-- nowhere near the 50% he'd need to win outright.



One-on-one, against either of the 2 leading GOP candidates, the DEM
(Ossoff; VERY bad news indeed) loses by about 8 points or so.



The DEM in GA-6 has raised $4 mill. THIS is the one where the DNC
has bet all the chips they have-- NOT the one last Tues. in KS; not MT
at large; not the one in SC. THIS one in GA, to replace Tom Price.
It's upscale suburban Mr. Orange didn't run particularly well
there. Underperformed Romney by a zillion points. OK... 17 points.



The poll was commissioned by Red Racing Horses (RRH) is +/- 5 points MOE. It's a legit lol by a neutral outfit, imo.
.
.
.
.Less than double digits the msm will call it a win for the democrats.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 13, 2017 09:57 AM (le7jz)

119 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 09:52 AM (rF0hx)

I used to be a tour guide in a well-respected Modernist art gallery. I was trained in the art criticisms and got the opposite from the actual patrons. There are some patrons that try to agree with the Scholars because they want to be seen as thoughtful, smart or tasteful. Sometimes they genuinely like Modern art. Art is great because there is something for everyone.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:57 AM (nwqNw)

120 Give it a few years and a degree from SUNY will carry the same weight as a degree from The University of Phoenix.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 09:58 AM (kTF2Z)

121 Is it just me, or does the kids headcovering look like it was an afterthought to cover something up? no detail and seems to high for the head.

nitpickers gotta nitpick

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 13, 2017 09:58 AM (PNcou)

122 >>>The Romantics were notorious for this.

:::rewatches "Talking In Your Sleep", scratches head:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 13, 2017 09:59 AM (igd3d)

123 Speaking of the difficulty of painting hands, one of the better episodes of Ink Master was the task of tattooing the Praying Hands. Separated the real deal from the wannabes.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 09:59 AM (jl269)

124 You might like the new Mark Steyn chat about WWI I recommended in the earlier thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCNflPm_UzU
Posted by: m at April 13, 2017 09:53 AM (Gqgs

I'm addicted to "The Great War" channel on You Tube right now. It narrates WWI weke-by-week as it happened, starting July 28, 1914. The US just declared war on Germany, so no spoilers.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:59 AM (nwqNw)

125 She's looking at me like she's judging me.

Posted by: eleven at April 13, 2017 10:00 AM (qUNWi)

126
The study of art cannot be completed without the study of its historical context. I don't know much about the Franco-Prussian War, the Paris Commune or its political aftermath. It definitely affected French art though. When I taught this period, I dedicated a huge chunk of class time to just the facts of World War I. That War had a profound effect on art history.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (nwqNw)






Well, I've had a fascination with the Franco-Prussian War for awhile now. It's a radical turning-point in history that's often not well understood.

Plus, it pisses me off when Hollywood sets films in 1870 Paris because it sounds romantic, but ignores the war completely, including the fact that Paris was under siege for 4 months.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 13, 2017 10:01 AM (XWkhW)

127 I'd also like to know where anyone has seen any better feet painting than this. A real masterpiece of accuracy and care.

Posted by: goon at April 13, 2017 09:29

I thought the same thing. Here's another of his, Dante and Virgil (in hell.)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kre9nnr

*trigger warning: rear nudity*

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 13, 2017 10:01 AM (2vRRd)

128 "Is that a wimple?"

So *that's* how the world ends? Doesn't seem that dangerous, really.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at April 13, 2017 10:01 AM (zpdu0)

129 Je ne suis pas no ways fahhtiiigue.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton


I didn't know you spoke Spanish, Mom.
Still don't know why you didn't win by 50 points!

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 13, 2017 10:01 AM (HTdUD)

130 why would a little kid be wearing bandoliers?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 13, 2017 10:02 AM (PNcou)

131 Wonderful picture. I love real talent.

Posted by: kraken at April 13, 2017 10:02 AM (zSVEm)

132 121 Is it just me, or does the kids headcovering look like it was an afterthought to cover something up? no detail and seems to high for the head.

nitpickers gotta nitpick
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 13, 2017 09:58 AM (PNcou)

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They had used the same hair dye as Grammie Winger and were not pleased with the results

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 10:02 AM (kTF2Z)

133 120 or Morehouse

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (fqERy)

134 Lovely selection, CBD!

In other art news:

The sculptor of Wall Street's iconic "Charging Bull"
statue says New York City has violated his legal rights with the
placement of "Fearless Girl," a statue of a young girl...Artist Arturo Di Modica and his lawyers argued at a press conference in
New York City on Wednesday that the placement of the statue was
copyright infringement and distorted the meaning of his sculpture.

Di Modica at times became emotional during a press conference, and
said the bull's message was supposed to be "freedom in the world, peace,
strength, power and love."

"In our opinion, a deliberate choice was made to exploit and to
appropriate the Charging Bull through the placement of 'Fearless
Girl,'"...



I can see why he's pissed.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (NOIQH)

135 Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:57 AM (nwqNw)

That was absolutely not directed at you, and if I was unclear I apologize.

I think that there is a small amount of interesting and pleasing art being created now, but, in my opinion, too much of it is indulgent and lazy.

I love the intersection of technically accomplished and thoughtful. But most of the time when I look at modern art, my thought is, "Wow, that artist is an entitled asshole."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (rF0hx)

136 I don't think it ever really caught on in the US, aside from the Amish and academe.

For certain values of "Amish." There are neighborhoods in the US where you can get murdered for wearing the wrong hat.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (H5rtT)

137 I believe the lucky students will have to sign an agreement to reside in NYS for four years after graduation. If they graduate.




What's the penalty if they don't?
Is that a hard four years or a "soft" four years? (3 to 3.5)

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (uh5kC)

138 an arrest has been made of a suspect connected to the Brian Terry murder.....sadly, it wasn't the former president or any in his administration

Posted by: phoenixgirl... at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (0O7c5)

139 They can call it macaroni if they want. I don't care.

At some point, folks who care about these things will note that the GOP won 4 specials in a row since T-Rump took office.

It would be weird if Team Donald took note of these successes & concluded that, "Obviously, we need to go all Romney/ Schwarzenegger now."

Posted by: mnw at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (aVY3U)

140
Contrast the lack of detail on the backscapes to the photograph detail of the subjects.

The more I look at this painting, the more in awe I become.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (8XRCm)

141 One of the old traditions for babies was keeping their ears covered until 4 or so. Before antibiotics, ears were very vulnerable. I keep yapping at people to keep babies and toddlers' ears covered because the tubes haven't dropped yet -- oh well, keeps the ear doctors in $.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 13, 2017 10:04 AM (MIKMs)

142
130 why would a little kid be wearing bandoliers?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 13, 2017 10:02 AM (PNcou)







Sneaky, dastardly Francs-tireurs.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 13, 2017 10:04 AM (XWkhW)

143 Whoa. I just went back and re-read some of my comments. Sorry about some of them. I'm doing this at work and typing too fast to finish complete thoughts. I confused myself. Heh.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:04 AM (nwqNw)

144 The little kid has to go. We need that lap for an employee.



NOW Junior.

Posted by: UA at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (PNcou)

Heh. Awesome - that's not just the thread winner - I declare that the "Weekly Threadwinner Laureate."
Posted by: Publius Redux



Seconded.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 10:05 AM (uh5kC)

145 I can see why he's pissed.

No doubt. But he's outside the system, see. All he has to do is commission Hank Ketcham to place Dennis the Menace behind Fearless there, about to goose the sassy bitch. And they won't be able to say a word. Subversive!

I'd have gone with a matador, myself. But, just me.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 13, 2017 10:06 AM (H5rtT)

146 That War had a profound effect on art history.


Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (nwqNw)


Not surprising.

War is social upheaval, and WWI was a particularly brutal war.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:06 AM (rF0hx)

147 >>I'm addicted to "The Great War" channel on You Tube
right now. It narrates WWI weke-by-week as it happened, starting July
28, 1914. The US just declared war on Germany, so no spoilers. Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:59 AM (nwqNw)

If it's uncharacteristically thorough, it'll cover or at least touch on the sinking of Von Spee's squadron off the coast of the Falklands early in the war, which is interesting on many different levels that ordinarily escape observation (acute controversy over a possible/successful denial-and-deception campaign, the Pacific in WW1 naval activity, the role of wireless and undersea cables, the Panama Canal's first strategic consequentiality, etc.)...

Posted by: General Zod at April 13, 2017 10:06 AM (Bdeb0)

148 I can see why he's pissed.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (NOIQH)

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Yes. I agree.

Fearless Girl changes the Bull from a symbol of strength to a symbol of oppression.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:06 AM (8XRCm)

149 I can't fault this painting, so that proves I'm well bred.

Posted by: jwest at April 13, 2017 10:06 AM (Zs4uk)

150 What I like most about this painting is that, in contrast to photography of the era, the depth of the subjects, their humanity, shines through.

I am much less inclined to be interested modern art that is painted in a near photographic style. This however, preserves a time and place that is gone, and therefore the realism of the painting is not only beautiful, it's useful as a time preserving artifact.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:07 AM (TOk1P)

151 It was made in Italy in the mid 60s by Pasolini.

Here's a really interesting review of it by Steven Greydanus:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kba2zvj

Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 09:50 AM (sBOL1)

Thanks, Bluebell! I missed the notice in the past thread, but I know this movie! Good call; I love it. I am stirred by anything having to do with the events leading up to Easter... don't even get me started about Passion Plays or Good Friday processions!

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at April 13, 2017 10:07 AM (oQQwD)

152 137 probably a soft 6 months.

Liberal SIL is sending nephew loser boy to SUNY Binghamton. Good luck with that. but but, it's FREE!!!

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 10:07 AM (fqERy)

153 You sister is blossoming into a mighty fine young woman, laddie. Take these two apples and come back in about 4 hours.

Posted by: Fritz at April 13, 2017 10:08 AM (2Mnv1)

154 Mick Mulvaney, Trump's director of the Office of Management and Budget,
is pressing lawmakers to include language to restrict federal funding
grants for cities that do not enforce federal immigration policies.
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Need to run Mulvaney for Senate. He's a South Carolinian and former US Congressman.

There's your Lindsey Graham primary.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:08 AM (5FLKM)

155 This painting is a perfect example of what one can do with mastering glazing. And Bouguereau is highly underrated among the masters.

Posted by: Brisco_County at April 13, 2017 10:08 AM (HwKTL)

156 why is her right arm darker than her left arm? must of run out of some paint or something

Posted by: DanMan at April 13, 2017 10:08 AM (XTiHL)

157 War is social upheaval, and WWI was a particularly brutal war.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:06 AM (rF0hx)

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Kansas City had a special commemoration at the WWI museum to mark the 100th Aniversary of Americas entry into the war. (BTW if you have an opportunity to go.... definately take a day and go the museum.)

I did some quick math in my head. My birthday is actually almost 10 years closer to the start of WWI than it is to today.

I haz a sad.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:08 AM (8XRCm)

158 That was absolutely not directed at you, and if I was unclear I apologize.

I think that there is a small amount of interesting and pleasing art being created now, but, in my opinion, too much of it is indulgent and lazy.

I love the intersection of technically accomplished and thoughtful. But most of the time when I look at modern art, my thought is, "Wow, that artist is an entitled asshole."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (rF0hx)

No worries. I didn't take it that way. I enjoy talking about art.

It's funny when SJW's talk about intersectionality like it's something they invented. Art has been the crossroads of all human experience since it was invented. And I always laugh when they complain about "Cultural Appropriation". LOL. If they only knew.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:09 AM (nwqNw)

159 >>I love the intersection of technically accomplished and thoughtful. But
most of the time when I look at modern art, my thought is, "Wow, that
artist is an entitled asshole."



The art I see that I like is not in fancy galleries, it's typically a venues like the Cherry Creek Arts Festival, where more traditional artists (not craftsy types) show and sell their work. These artists have skill and their works are beautiful; no need for some critic to tell me why it has meaning. No bags of meadow on display here!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:09 AM (NOIQH)

160 --
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Thick ankles.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 13, 2017 09:31 AM

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More cushion for the pushin'.

Posted by: Dick Morris at April 13, 2017 10:09 AM (pMGkg)

161 Posted by: UA at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (PNcou)

Heh. Awesome - that's not just the thread winner - I declare that the "Weekly Threadwinner Laureate."
Posted by: Publius Redux



Seconded.

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You're checks are in the mail.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 13, 2017 10:09 AM (PNcou)

162 Fearless girl? Hmmm. A fifty pound girl in front of stampeding, fifteen hundred pound bulls. I'd rename it girl who doesn't get basic physics or girl who's about to be a grease stain.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 10:10 AM (kTF2Z)

163 >>>All he has to do is commission Hank Ketcham to place Dennis the Menace

Gonna be waiting a while. At least until he reanimates.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 13, 2017 10:11 AM (igd3d)

164 Fearless girl? Hmmm. A fifty pound girl in front of
stampeding, fifteen hundred pound bulls. I'd rename it girl who doesn't
get basic physics or girl who's about to be a grease stain.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 10:10 AM


Rachel Corrie's little sister.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2017 10:11 AM (p+Wdc)

165 assuming decent health, those 2 got to observe WWI from close range.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 13, 2017 10:12 AM (PNcou)

166 163 >>>All he has to do is commission Hank Ketcham to place Dennis the Menace

Gonna be waiting a while. At least until he reanimates.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 13, 2017 10:11 AM (igd3d)

I got this.

Posted by: Dr. Herbert West at April 13, 2017 10:12 AM (0mRoj)

167 fifteen hundred pound bull

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Not to be all pedantic..... bull a full grown bull is *well* north of 2500 pounds

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:12 AM (8XRCm)

168 130 why would a little kid be wearing bandoliers?



Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 13, 2017 10:02 AM (PNcou)


Breton. Woods. Agreement.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 13, 2017 10:12 AM (H5rtT)

169 94 Seeing as this painting was completed in 1871 I started wondering about art themes in Europe and the influence of the Franco-Prussian War. That war had an enormous influence on European politics (one could credibly argue that it was just the first campaign in a Greater European War that only ended in 1945), and I'm wondering if it had the same effect on art.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 13, 2017 09:44 AM (XWkhW)

The study of art cannot be completed without the study of its historical context. I don't know much about the Franco-Prussian War, the Paris Commune or its political aftermath. It definitely affected French art though. When I taught this period, I dedicated a huge chunk of class time to just the facts of World War I. That War had a profound effect on art history.
Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:49 AM (nwqNw)

Kris, have you read (I believe this is the title) The Rites of Spring, which is supposed to be about the influence of the Great War on art? It was recommended by a friend but I never go around to it.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 10:12 AM (RD7QR)

170 Posted by: General Zod at April 13, 2017 10:06 AM (Bdeb0)

Please do check it out. It is very thourough. Yes, they did cover Spee. Since the episodes are only 10 minutes long, they also have special episodes to add detail and focus. If anyone's interested, they do a special episode on WWI and Art.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:12 AM (nwqNw)

171 RAS has Orange back up to 48% approve today. Best in a over a month, I believe.

For a while there, it looked like there weren't enough approvers to staff the WH kitchen.

Posted by: mnw at April 13, 2017 10:12 AM (aVY3U)

172 Heh - Shia LaBeouf is now in hiding in cabins in Lapland ( Yes - the 4Chan folks have driven him to a cabin in Lapland) where his new imprisonment - ahem - I mean "performance art" is him . . . in a cabin . . . . near some other friends in cabins . . . where they chat via the web and talk about how eeeeevil Trump is. They are accessible to the outside world via a mock up cabin in a museum in Helsinki and can be interacted with via a screen - kind a like Skype. The results of course, are utterly hilarious as 4Chan, and its Scandinavian equivalents, mercilessly troll him. Of course, being imprisoned in cabins, Shia et al. cannot get away. You cannot make up how retarded the left is - what did they THINK was going to happen??
Anyway - read for yourselves - oh - and the picture of the guy putting the MAGA hat on Shia on screen and snapping a pic is f*cking priceless.

https://heatst.com/tech/ shia-labeouf-is-in-a-cabin-in-rural-finland-and-still-getting-trolled/

(remove spaces)

hat tip : Drudge

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 10:13 AM (Fb9aZ)

173 >>Yes. I agree.
Fearless Girl changes the Bull from a symbol of strength to a symbol of oppression.


Yep. And de Blasio's response is just so....jerky:

"Men who don't like women taking up space are exactly why we need the Fearless Girl."

Put a puritan bonnet on her and call her "Abigail Williams."

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:14 AM (NOIQH)

174 >>Art has been the crossroads of all human experience
since it was invented. And I always laugh when they complain about
"Cultural Appropriation". LOL. If they only knew. Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:09 AM (nwqNw)

Wouldn't you also agree that depictions of luminescent moonlight, bubbling brooks, moss-covered riverstones, small cottages with chimneys and cheery windows, and water-wheels also contribute significantly to depictions of the human condition?

Posted by: General Zod at April 13, 2017 10:14 AM (Bdeb0)

175

Houston, the concern trolls have landed.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:14 AM (5FLKM)

176 "The proof is in the crowds. And my experience in dozens of museums across the United States and Europe is that the people...the great unwashed, ignorant fools...know quality when they see it."

Yep, I agree CBD. And it must really grind some gears in the art world that whenever they need an attendance boost they must set up a "special exhibit" by the masters.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet -Your Conspiracy Theory Outfitter - Reynolds Wrap 30% Off! at April 13, 2017 10:14 AM (hLRSq)

177 "Men who don't like women taking up space are exactly why we need the Fearless Girl."

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I would respond to Debalsio that a truly fearless girl on her own accord and doesnt need to tear down anybody else.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:16 AM (8XRCm)

178 For a while there, it looked like there weren't enough approvers to staff the WH kitchen.

Posted by: mnw
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Yes because immediately following the 2016 Presidential Election, the polls became all accurate.And reliable. And shit.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:16 AM (5FLKM)

179 Kris, have you read (I believe this is the title) The Rites of Spring, which is supposed to be about the influence of the Great War on art? It was recommended by a friend but I never go around to it.
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 10:12 AM (RD7QR)

I had not heard of it. It's on the list now. I read "All Quiet on the Western Front", "August 1914", "The Guns of August" and "Europe's Last Summer". I took a break and am reading "Six Summers in Paris" about the early French Revolution.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:16 AM (nwqNw)

180 Little red hat boy looks like he's threatening to shove that super-beet he's holding up someones squeakhole.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 10:16 AM (fqERy)

181 Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 10:13 AM (Fb9aZ)


The reindeer are Trumpian spies.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet -Your Conspiracy Theory Outfitter - Reynolds Wrap 30% Off! at April 13, 2017 10:16 AM (hLRSq)

182 I can see why he's pissed.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:03 AM (NOIQH)

Mr Di Modica gave that spectacular statue as a GIFT to Walll Street because he was so proud to have been able to immigrate and live out the American Dream.

Putting that stupid little girl statue in front of it just shows how the left abhors anything which smacks of industry, earned rewards, true opportunity and pure force of will. When they come to cart that symbol of leftism away, I'll be celebrating.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at April 13, 2017 10:16 AM (oQQwD)

183 I heard Shia LeBouieaf is being held captive in a Kinkaid cottage, where Dexter Morgan is patiently narrating him through still-shots of his thesbian criminality...

Posted by: General Zod at April 13, 2017 10:17 AM (Bdeb0)

184 For a while there, it looked like there weren't enough approvers to staff the WH kitchen.

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Same pollsters that had Hillary up by 10 in Pennsylvania?

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:17 AM (8XRCm)

185 35 Thick ankles.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 13, 2017 09:31 AM (igd3d)


Cankles?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 10:17 AM (V4ryl)

186 I have never seen this painting before. What a masterpiece.

I would rate her beauty higher than that of Mona Lisa.

It is a fascinating portrait.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 13, 2017 10:17 AM (4AVeu)

187 Girl who's parents didn't love her enough to get her out of the way of stampeding 1500 2500 pound bulls.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 10:18 AM (kTF2Z)

188 @172 Finns have a fairly low tolerance for bullshit. Just saying.
And, funnest place anywhere to play "Find The Sniper." Hay-ha!

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 13, 2017 10:18 AM (H5rtT)

189 Okay, everyone - that's it for me for a few days. I'll check back in on Sunday to wish everyone a Happy Easter!

May God bless and keep us all safe.

Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 10:19 AM (sBOL1)

190 If there were a sniper in this painting, we would see him.

Posted by: jwest at April 13, 2017 10:19 AM (Zs4uk)

191
Take care bluebell.

Be safe, have fun.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:19 AM (8XRCm)

192 177
"Men who don't like women taking up space are exactly why we need the Fearless Girl."



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I would respond to Debalsio that a truly fearless girl on her own accord and doesnt need to tear down anybody else.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:16 AM (8XRCm)

DeBLaz is also a retard (and socialist - but then I am being redundant) - and a few years ago he f*cking dropped the NY Groundhog on Groundhog Day . . and KILLED it (Yes - NYC has its own groundhog - "Staten Island Chuck" - a resident at the Staten Island Zoo). He is mainly the reason that NY will next have a Republican Mayor after the next election ( although If Hillary runs they probably will elect her - only to find out that she is actually worse than Blaz - and will likely EAT the Groundhog on Groundhog Day).

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 10:20 AM (Fb9aZ)

193 "All the artistic criticisms you heard about Norman Rockwell (i.e. too cute, not serious, not relevant to the struggle, etc.), put on William Bouguereau."


If there's one simple way an artist (or most anyone else) can get on my good side, it's Not Being Down With The Struggle.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at April 13, 2017 10:20 AM (KGH7Z)

194 One of the old traditions for babies was keeping their ears covered until 4 or so. Before antibiotics, ears were very vulnerable. I keep yapping at people to keep babies and toddlers' ears covered because the tubes haven't dropped yet -- oh well, keeps the ear doctors in $.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 13, 2017 10:04 AM (MIKMs)


Whaaaaat? Are you suggesting there might be a plan to introduce people as early as possible, as consumers into the Healthcare Industrial Complex?

What a thought...

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:20 AM (TOk1P)

195 The sculptor of Wall Street's iconic "Charging Bull"
statue says New York City has violated his legal rights with the
placement of "Fearless Girl," a statue of a young girl...Artist Arturo Di Modica and his lawyers argued at a press conference in
New York City on Wednesday that the placement of the statue was
copyright infringement and distorted the meaning of his sculpture.


Too bad he can't sue them for vandalism. Because that's what the second statue is.

If they want to make a statement about 'grrl powah', sculpt their own damn statue and don't hijack someone else's.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 10:21 AM (V4ryl)

196 Posted by: mnw
===

"Orange"
"Mr. Orange"
"Team Donald"
"T-Rump"

The barely repressed Nevertrumper "I TOLD YOU SO" explosion is building, building...

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:21 AM (5FLKM)

197 Liberal SIL is sending nephew loser boy to SUNY Binghamton. Good luck with that. but but, it's FREE!!!


Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 10:07 AM (fqERy)

Back in the 70's (I think) New York City tried free college for everyone. It lasted only a few short years and was to expensive for the city.
From the internet (Inside higher edu..)
It is great that the state of New York wants to do something progressive
for higher education, but the devil is in the details. And the history
of American college financial aid has shown that well-intentioned
programs often backfire if they do not examine unintended consequences.
We should promote free public higher education, but only if we do it
right.

Posted by: Colin at April 13, 2017 10:21 AM (RS7vk)

198 I did some quick math in my head. My birthday is actually almost 10 years closer to the start of WWI than it is to today.

I haz a sad.
Posted by: fixerupper

My maternal grandfather was born in 1895, and enlisted in the Army in 1915. He served in the Army on the Mexican border under Major George Patton, before the Great War, and was in the 37th division, and was in four major battles in the Great War.
He died of pneumonia 20 years before I was born. And now, with his son, my uncle, passing last year at 93, there is now no one alive now who ever actually knew him.
He and my grandmother lay at rest next to my parents' grave.

And his son, my uncle, served in the 90th division (part of 3rd Army), under...General George S. Patton.

We still remember them......lest we forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBPSr4TsQkI

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at April 13, 2017 10:22 AM (RFeQD)

199 Blaz - and will likely EAT the Groundhog on Groundhog Day

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Well.....*hic*..... its a form of a BEAVER.... right???

*hic* ... *sharrrrt*.... *fall*..... *shoe flies* ...*thud*.... *sharrrrt*....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:22 AM (8XRCm)

200 I'm thinking the mother of these kids drank a lot during pregnancy.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 13, 2017 10:22 AM (h1Sto)

201 Get off my lawn
Posted by: Quentin T. at April 13, 2017 09:51 AM


Even if I'm barefoot?

Posted by: J. Random Moron at April 13, 2017 10:23 AM (DMUuz)

202 Fearless girl? Hmmm. A fifty pound girl in front of stampeding, fifteen hundred pound bulls. I'd rename it girl who doesn't get basic physics or girl who's about to be a grease stain.

Posted by: Duke Lowell


It says to me someone's ignorant of the combination of girls and bulls in Greek myth...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at April 13, 2017 10:23 AM (9krrF)

203 Wouldn't you also agree that depictions of luminescent moonlight, bubbling brooks, moss-covered riverstones, small cottages with chimneys and cheery windows, and water-wheels also contribute significantly to depictions of the human condition?
Posted by: General Zod at April 13, 2017 10:14 AM (Bdeb0)

I think there's a place for both kinds--great social-political commentaries (the German Expressionists for example) and the private meditations of individuals who just want to depict beauty that speaks to the individual viewer's soul. What bothers me is when one group calls the other group " tasteless" and "bad art" because reasons.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:23 AM (nwqNw)

204 They both have remarkably clean feet for being on a dirt road barefoot. Their wooden clogs must be out of view.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 10:23 AM (fqERy)

205 If I had the where-with-all, this is the type of art I would collect.
This, and of course, black-light, felt pictures of large-breasted American women.

Posted by: Strobe at April 13, 2017 10:24 AM (gbWkA)

206 May God bless and keep us all safe.
Posted by: bluebell at April 13, 2017 10:19 AM (sBOL1


God bless you and your family, bluebell!

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 10:24 AM (V4ryl)

207 I don't look at any poll but RAS. That outfit isn't part of the liberal amen chorus. But even RAS had Trump in the mid-30s not long ago.

RAS had the '16 GE about right, btw. So did IBD/TIPP. All the others showed their adz majorly.

Posted by: mnw at April 13, 2017 10:24 AM (aVY3U)

208 Doesn't NYC already have a female statute that symbolizes Freedom and fearlessness ?

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 10:24 AM (jl269)

209 "Fearless Girl." Mute, impotent, immobile, petulant, in the moment but not of it, immature, brassy.

Di Modica should be content to re-orient his bull so that it's teabagging Little Miss Pissy.

Your move, DeBlasio.

Posted by: General Zod at April 13, 2017 10:24 AM (Bdeb0)

210 186 I have never seen this painting before. What a masterpiece.

I would rate her beauty higher than that of Mona Lisa.

It is a fascinating portrait.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 13, 2017 10:17 AM (4AVeu)

Another form of entertainment... call the "Mona Lisa" overrated. Just stand back when you do.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:25 AM (nwqNw)

211
It says to me someone's ignorant of the combination of girls and bulls in Greek myth...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at April 13, 2017 10:23 AM (9krrF)

"Whaddya mean I don't get to ride the bull for free? There's a catch?"

Posted by: Europa at April 13, 2017 10:25 AM (oQQwD)

212 Back in the 70's (I think) New York City tried free college for everyone. It lasted only a few short years and was to expensive for the city.

Posted by: Colin at April 13, 2017 10:21 AM (RS7vk)


Which, no doubt, came as a complete surprise.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 10:26 AM (V4ryl)

213 Normally not a fan of portraits ... but damn, this guy was good.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 13, 2017 10:26 AM (BEMJs)

214 196

I'm the kind of NEVERTRUMPer who sent him a sizable campaign contribution.

You?

Posted by: mnw at April 13, 2017 10:27 AM (aVY3U)

215 The Wall Street Journal seems shocked that PDT and Xi are getting along so well.

PDT must've said a million times during the primaries: "I know how to deal with China. I win when I deal with China."

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 13, 2017 10:27 AM (s/EUv)

216 Back in the 70's (I think) New York City tried free college for everyone. It lasted only a few short years and was to expensive for the city.


Posted by: Colin at April 13, 2017 10:21 AM (RS7vk)


CCNY used to be a great school. It produced eminent scientists and serious Nobel prize winners. Then they decided that they had to have open enrollment, so that everyone could have an equal chance of attending a great school. Well ... everyone was able to attend but the cost was that the once-great school is now a piece of shit and most of the people who enroll never make it through. The school had to come to the level of its student body.

This is a leftist success story. Everybody can say they went to CCNY .. though now no one with a brain would want to.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 13, 2017 10:27 AM (zc3Db)

217 Well, it's almost 11. Guess I should get out of bed. Probably should start getting ready to head for the office.

Posted by: Bill DeBlasio at April 13, 2017 10:28 AM (9hpn+)

218 The barely repressed Nevertrumper "I TOLD YOU SO" explosion is building, building...



Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:21 AM (5FLKM)


If you have ever been to Althouse and read the comments of "Chuck"* then you see the NeverTrumper in his full-on bat-guano-crazy glory.


*Who is a lifelong Republican. He swears.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet -Your Conspiracy Theory Outfitter - Reynolds Wrap 30% Off! at April 13, 2017 10:28 AM (hLRSq)

219 I have never seen this painting before. What a masterpiece.

I would rate her beauty higher than that of Mona Lisa.

It is a fascinating portrait.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 13, 2017 10:17 AM (4AVeu)

Another form of entertainment... call the "Mona Lisa" overrated. Just stand back when you do.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:25 AM (nwqNw)


As a painting it's not overrated. It's considered a masterpiece because it is.

Her actual beauty though... meh. Seems kinda silly to me to be discussing it as such, but she's not all that.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:28 AM (TOk1P)

220 Didn't California have some sort of "free" college at one time?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 13, 2017 10:29 AM (IqV8l)

221 Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:25 AM (nwqNw)

I would be one to defend it. The technique used by Divinci in his paintings was ground breaking . Keep in mind that the Mona Lisa was painted almost 300 years prior to Bouguereau.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 10:29 AM (jl269)

222 Didn't California have some sort of "free" college at one time?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 13, 2017 10:29 AM (IqV8l)

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Still does.

Its called The GI Bill.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:30 AM (8XRCm)

223 Her expression appears to be both content yet sad.

Her eyes, subtle pout/smile, head tilt and posture project a mixture of emotions.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 13, 2017 10:31 AM (4AVeu)

224 201 Get off my lawn
Posted by: Quentin T. at April 13, 2017 09:51 AM

Even if I'm barefoot?
Posted by: J. Random Moron at April 13, 2017 10:23 AM (DMUuz)

---

You can get off my lawn by coming into the bedroom...

Posted by: Quentin T. at April 13, 2017 10:31 AM (PNcou)

225 I had the good fortune to see a collection of Bouguereau's works at the Hartford Atheneum around 1985 and have been a fan ever since. I have two nicely-framed prints hanging in my home.

Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at April 13, 2017 10:31 AM (nvMvs)

226 And I could get all deconstructionist and artsy-fartsy and say that she is the personification of the Madonna with child.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 09:41 AM (rF0hx)


There's nothing wrong with critical analysis of great works of art and sussing out what the artist was trying to do or say.

It's just that the progs and commies have f*ked up art criticism (as they do everything) by imposing often ludicrous meanings on works that are obviously far removed from anything the artist could imagine.

So now art criticism leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth. But it didn't have to be that way.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 10:32 AM (V4ryl)

227 My maternal grandfather was born in 1895, and enlisted in the Army in
1915. He served in the Army on the Mexican border under Major George
Patton, before the Great War, and was in the 37th division, and was in
four major battles in the Great War. He died of pneumonia 20 years before I was born. And now, with his
son, my uncle, passing last year at 93, there is now no one alive now
who ever actually knew him.
=====

I remember my WWI vet grandfather vividly. He was 20 years older than my grandmother and was gassed. I remember his bullet scars (he told us kids they were Indian arrow wounds) and how much he enjoyed us kids because he never expected to live long enough to see his own kids grow up, much less grandkids. Teachers told us that it was impossible for us to have a WWI vet, he was really WWII, and we kids were deluded. I have his Croix de Guerre, Campaign Medal (some of the battle bars are lost), and his Purple Heart.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 13, 2017 10:33 AM (MIKMs)

228 Her expression appears to be both content yet sad.




The Paolo won't be back for two weeks.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 10:33 AM (uh5kC)

229 O'Reilly Jet Rangering in to the Vatican to pay whatever the going indulgent rate might be.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 10:34 AM (fqERy)

230 I had a dream that Trump nominated another Justice. I also dreamed we found the spare car keys so take it for what it's worth.

Posted by: Max Power at April 13, 2017 10:34 AM (QCc6B)

231 indulgence

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 10:35 AM (fqERy)

232 You can get off my lawn by coming into the bedroom...
_________________________

Heh, heh. . . he said "coming". . . yeah, yeah.

Posted by: Bevis at April 13, 2017 10:35 AM (4AVeu)

233 Gorgeous painting.

Posted by: Gem at April 13, 2017 10:36 AM (Oizsv)

234 Meanwhile, back at the restaurant...

The first of the table tops have come in and they are great. These are made by woman who has a small company making cutting boards and other products out of the curly (tiger) maple that isn't quite good enough for Gibson Guitars.

Apparently, Gibson will use about 6 board feet out of every 100, so there is a lot of wood left over.

We also just order a few refrigerator items you can see at webstaurant - a True TSSU-60-10HC 2 Door refrigerated sandwich prep table (for when someone says "go make me a sammich") and the Vollrath 40863 48" Cubed Glass refrigerated countertop display cabinet, to encourage people to pig out on pies and cakes and such.

Also bought (62) of the Lancaster natural wood window back chair.

All that money in the bank was just collecting dust anyway.

Posted by: jwest at April 13, 2017 10:36 AM (Zs4uk)

235 229 O'Reilly Jet Rangering in to the Vatican to pay whatever the going indulgent rate might be.
Posted by: Under Fire


Who will return first?

Barry from Tahiti or Bill from the Vatican?

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 13, 2017 10:37 AM (FZYNt)

236 Her expression appears to be both content yet sad.

Her eyes, subtle pout/smile, head tilt and posture project a mixture of emotions.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 13, 2017 10:31 AM (4AVeu)


I'm becoming much more aware of the relationship between, not just the artist capturing the mood/style of the subject, but also the notion of how the artist, in posing and painting his subjects, creates a mood and style.

In other words, here you have a haughty expression, perhaps impatience, and if so, might it be due to the fact that he asked her to dress up in an outfit she doesn't usually wear, and sit there while he draws her likeness?

How well did he know her before asking her to pose? He often did he ask her to pose for this one painting? Was the little boy a willing subject, or is this perfectly behaved little cherub of a child a lie, in that he was screaming the whole time, and the artist had to create from his own imagination the peaceful child we see here?

All of that, and more that we'll never know, went into creating the girl we see in the painting. She's beautiful. And mysterious, and we'll all only guess at what it all means.

Freakin' art, that is.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:38 AM (TOk1P)

237 Sidebar: fire bad!

Looks like a sharia compliant version of holdmahbeer prank (carbide? (whatever blows up in H2O) edition). Might even be the same guy dropping the rocks and the smoke.

Posted by: DaveA at April 13, 2017 10:38 AM (FhXTo)

238 *Who is a lifelong Republican. He swears.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH
===

Of course.
Massive campaign contributor too, I would imagine.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:38 AM (5FLKM)

239 I keep yapping at people to keep babies and toddlers' ears covered because the tubes haven't dropped yet. Posted by mustbequantum


*****

?????

That is a puzzling comment.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 13, 2017 10:38 AM (wPiJc)

240 LOL. If you ever want some entertainment, praise William Bouguereau's work to a group of art snobs.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 09:27 AM (nwqNw)

How many commenters have written, 'It's just like a photograph'? But that's the point, isn't it? With the advent of modern photography, there's little commercial need for representational exactitude in likeness in painting.

I admire craftsmanship. I admire technical mastery--and the example above is an exemplar of technical mastery. However, it isn't necessarily snobbish to point out that the measure of a work of visual art should not necessarily be dependent on its verisimilitude, how closely it approximates real life.

Tastes differ. I don't look down on people who don't like abstract works. That said, I don't like being called a snob for thinking the painting above is a pedestrian piece of sentimental tripe.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:39 AM (Fw5cQ)

241 Speaking of art, the artist of the Wall Street "Charging Bull" sculpture wants that little girl statue removed.

http://tinyurl.com/kn94uyo

Posted by: josephistan at April 13, 2017 10:39 AM (7HtZB)

242 Testing, 1 2 3.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:40 AM (nwqNw)

243 Meanwhile, back at the restaurant...
=====
Wasn't that a card for silent movies: Meanwhile, back at the ranch . . .

Much luck to you, jwest; all that energy and knowledge should be used and useful.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 13, 2017 10:40 AM (MIKMs)

244 >>That is a puzzling comment.


Maybe he's referring to the tubes you can have put in a toddler's ears to prevent ear infections? We did that with our son because he was getting ear infections every other week; he was constantly sick. The tubes eventually come out on their own.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:41 AM (NOIQH)

245 This looks like a photograph. Amazing.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 13, 2017 10:41 AM (1zARK)

246 Don't know how that little bird got in the house this morning, but it was fun, first awakening Milady to the sound of the chase, then following the bird around, as it smashed into mirrors and closed windows, hiding behind stuff on a kitchen shelf, finally finding the open kitchen window and flying out. The black cat helped in the chase, just to add to the cartoonishness of it all.

All this before coffee!

Posted by: mindful webworker - mighty hunter at April 13, 2017 10:41 AM (lVPif)

247 Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:39 AM (Fw5cQ)

Photography was a huge reason for the development of Modern Art. Picasso himself said so.

But you are correct about my use of "art snob". Apologies.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:42 AM (nwqNw)

248 Hyperreal, love this painting. Never heard about the artist before, so that's cool to learn a bit.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 13, 2017 10:43 AM (xJa6I)

249 And Picasso sucks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 13, 2017 10:43 AM (xJa6I)

250 I don't like being called a snob for thinking the painting above is a pedestrian piece of sentimental tripe.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:39 AM (Fw5cQ)

Snob.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:44 AM (rF0hx)

251 Oh, lookout, we got a badass here.

Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson at April 13, 2017 10:44 AM (9hpn+)

252 That is a puzzling comment. Posted by: Muldoon at April 13, 2017 10:38 AM (wPiJc)
=====

Sorry, Master M (bowing and groveling to the Peerless Punster), that is how it was described to me by moms who had ear tubes installed after chronic ear infections. Eustachean tubes? My grandmothers used to growl and mutter about covering ears for little ones in the wind.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 13, 2017 10:45 AM (MIKMs)

253 It says to me someone's ignorant of the combination of girls and bulls in Greek myth...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at April 13, 2017 10:23 AM (9krrF)

*shifty eyes*

What do you mean? What have you heard?

Posted by: Zeus at April 13, 2017 10:45 AM (0mRoj)

254 Still does.

Its called The GI Bill.
_________________________

Yeah, free for giving up four years of your life.

That kind of free.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 13, 2017 10:46 AM (4AVeu)

255 Another form of entertainment... call the "Mona Lisa" overrated. Just stand back when you do.



Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:25 AM (nwqNw)


Some experts say the Mona Lisa is a self portrait of Leo as a woman.

Digital analysis shows the eyes match and the Mona's enigmatic smile is Leo's droop-corner mouth upside down.

The transgenderists could have a field day with this.

Posted by: davidt at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (XoldI)

256 So now art criticism leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth. But it didn't have to be that way.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 10:32 AM (V4ryl)


That's the thing though. We can take this back from the self-proclaimed keepers of art.

People who want to do art criticism should be encouraged to do so, but let's set some fairly easy to understand ground rules though:

1. Respect the intent of the artist.
2. Accept others' interpretations, as long as they are not DISMISSIVE of the intent of the artist.

In other words, if you want to see something else in a piece of art, fine, go for it. That is your right. But don't tell me the piece above is pro-abortion or pro-pedophilia or some other such nonsense, because YOU aren't allowed to foist that on the art, when the artist had NO indication of putting it there.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (TOk1P)

257 Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:41 AM (NOIQH)


IIRC, the Eustachian tube connects the inner ear to the throat. In small children it is so small it is easy to plug, leading to earaches and infections. Sometimes an artificial tube is installed to keep that opening opened up.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet -Your Conspiracy Theory Outfitter - Reynolds Wrap 30% Off! at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (hLRSq)

258 Snob.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:44 AM (rF0hx)

Philistine.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (Fw5cQ)

259 I want to kiss her feet.

Posted by: Chris M at April 13, 2017 10:48 AM (eAZVt)

260 My grandmothers used to growl and mutter about covering ears for little ones in the wind.
==

I remember that. Especially wet ears from bath/shower/swimming.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:48 AM (5FLKM)

261 Photography was a huge reason for the development of Modern Art. Picasso himself said so.

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Maybe to a small extent.

But Id wager that the number of Modern Artists that have the technical talent to paint like the artist that created this portrait approaches zero.

If you applied the Moder Artist talent standard to other forms of art, like say...... musicians..... you'd have a high number of musicians who couldnt play for shit.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:48 AM (8XRCm)

262 Well, if it's OK to vandalize the charging bull sculpture by putting a little girl in front of it, it should be OK for some Moron to add additional sculptures of little gnomes looking up her dress and laughing at her mish, right?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 10:48 AM (V4ryl)

263
I had not heard of it. It's on the list now. I read "All Quiet on the Western Front", "August 1914", "The Guns of August" and "Europe's Last Summer". I took a break and am reading "Six Summers in Paris" about the early French Revolution.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:16 AM (nwqNw)


I know you're much more conversant on the subject than I am, but I enjoyed The War That Ended Peace: The Road to 1914:

http://tinyurl.com/lprh5jt

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 13, 2017 10:48 AM (X6fMO)

264 *imagines his balls are the size of apples while fapping his Vienna sausage*

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 13, 2017 10:48 AM (XkVXQ)

265 Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (TOk1P)

Have you ever read "Rape of the Masters" by Roger Kimball?

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:49 AM (nwqNw)

266 I saw this painting and it reminded me of the painting of the Mary holding the infant Jesus and lamb, sure enough it is the same artist.

Posted by: MAGA at April 13, 2017 10:49 AM (A4HOq)

267 I don't like being called a snob for thinking the painting above is a pedestrian piece of sentimental tripe.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:39 AM (Fw5cQ)


It's alright, Troy. We don't think any less of you for saying this.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:49 AM (TOk1P)

268 That said, I don't like being called a snob for thinking the painting above is a pedestrian piece of sentimental tripe.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:39 AM (Fw5cQ)


What most people admire (and what many who are called "art snobs" look down on) is actual skill in producing the picture - i.e. THE work of art.

At some point "artists" decided that actual skill in producing images was some sort of vulgar exercise and that is where they split with the vast majority of people. "Artists" wanted to be known (and celebrated) more for their deep intellects and profound statements rather than garish splotches of paint on canvas or lines on paper that took real talent to make. This is the problem. This is why most people laugh at lots of abstract stuff.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 13, 2017 10:49 AM (zc3Db)

269 That is a puzzling comment.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 13, 2017 10:38 AM (wPiJc)

Eustachian tubes drop just like testicles.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:50 AM (rF0hx)

270 Bluebell,
I've been looking at browsers in the App Store. I'll look to see if Brave is available.
Thank you.

Posted by: Carol at April 13, 2017 10:50 AM (sj3Ax)

271 From Drudge: Comey wants new TV series to improve FBI's image. I assume it'll be a remake of Get Smart. "Would you believe we have 1000 sober, honest competent agents at the FBI? How about two sober agents?"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 13, 2017 10:50 AM (Nwg0u)

272 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 13, 2017 10:48 AM (X6fMO)

Added to the list.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:50 AM (nwqNw)

273 Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (TOk1P)

Have you ever read "Rape of the Masters" by Roger Kimball?

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:49 AM (nwqNw)


No, I've never actually "studied" art in any meaningful way.

Should I? In other words, is there something specific about the book that would cause you to recommend it?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:51 AM (TOk1P)

274 Posted by: mustbequantum at April 13, 2017 10:45 AM (MIKMs)

I've always gotten ear aches if the wind blow into my ears, even as an adult. I have sinus "issues" which probably plays a part in that.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 13, 2017 10:51 AM (sEDyY)

275 From Drudge: Comey wants new TV series to improve FBI's image. I assume it'll be a remake of Get Smart. "Would you believe we have 1000 sober, honest competent agents at the FBI? How about two sober agents?"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 13, 2017 10:50 AM (Nwg0u)


-----

I know.... give it an edgy law enforcement name....like maybe "Dragnet".

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:51 AM (8XRCm)

276
I couldn't make something this beautiful.

I can barely snap a photo with my phone and that's just pushing one big, red button.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (5FLKM)

277 >>Well, if it's OK to vandalize the charging bull sculpture by putting a
little girl in front of it, it should be OK for some Moron to add
additional sculptures of little gnomes looking up her dress and laughing
at her mish, right?




"Duuuuude, we're so ahead of you!"

--- Drunk Wall Street Bro

http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/bro-fearless-girl.jpg

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (NOIQH)

278 Snob.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:44 AM (rF0hx)


Philistine.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (Fw5cQ)

Effete Northeastern Liberal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (rF0hx)

279 However, it isn't necessarily snobbish to point out that the measure of a work of visual art should not necessarily be dependent on its verisimilitude, how closely it approximates real life.

Tastes differ. I don't look down on people who don't like abstract works. That said, I don't like being called a snob for thinking the painting above is a pedestrian piece of sentimental tripe.
Posted by: troyriser


When someone's technical ability doesn't surpass a syphilitic monkey with epilepsy, that's not art. Call me a snob all day long.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (uh5kC)

280 Comey wants new TV series to improve FBI's image.

===


They could call it "Comey Quits".

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:53 AM (5FLKM)

281 I have a question regarding the previous thread.
Why is there so much of a difference between north and South Korea? Is it only communism? Why can't North Korea grow food and manufacturing? Even if they had personal gardens they could eat- or is it just snark that they eat bark?

Posted by: Chilling the most at April 13, 2017 10:53 AM (Cl52v)

282 278 Snob.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:44 AM (rF0hx)


Philistine.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (Fw5cQ)

Effete Northeastern Liberal.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (rF0hx)

Oh shit. Now it's getting nasty!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at April 13, 2017 10:53 AM (0mRoj)

283 For what it's worth, Troy, I'm actually not a big fan of Bouguereau's work. But I am a Traditionalist, which has not helped my career.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:53 AM (nwqNw)

284 Photography was a huge reason for the development of Modern Art. Picasso himself said so.
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Maybe to a small extent.

But Id wager that the number of Modern Artists that have the technical talent to paint like the artist that created this portrait approaches zero.

If you applied the Moder Artist talent standard to other forms of art, like say...... musicians..... you'd have a high number of musicians who couldnt play for shit.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:48 AM (8XRCm)


Picasso was a lazy putz, who wanted an audience to bow and scrape before him. He was a con artist more than he was an actual, you know, artist.

He's P.T. Barnum, working in a different medium.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:53 AM (TOk1P)

285 "Duuuuude, we're so ahead of you!"
--- Drunk Wall Street Bro

http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/bro-fearless-girl.jpg

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (NOIQH)


Ha! Thanks, LIzzy. Now that's what *I* call art!

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 10:54 AM (V4ryl)

286 although If Hillary runs they probably will elect her - only to find out that she is actually worse than Blaz - and will likely EAT the Groundhog on Groundhog Day

**hic**

A groundhog? That's disgusting!

A beaver, on the other hand. . .

HUMA!

MOMMY'S FEELING ITCHY PANTS!

PUT ON THOSE HEELS AND ACHTUNG, BABY!

**hic**

**shart**

**faceplant**

Posted by: Hillary at April 13, 2017 10:54 AM (X6fMO)

287 Now you know why the frauds of today that call themselves artists want to do things like make concrete stalagmites that look like piles of concrete poop.
Real talent is hard to develop and takes tons of practice. Cramming a whip handle in someone's butt and taking a pic is easy...unless they didn't want the whip there...

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at April 13, 2017 10:54 AM (m3iiU)

288 >>Comey wants new TV series to improve FBI's image.

Uh, "Quantico"?


Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)

289 265 Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (TOk1P)

Have you ever read "Rape of the Masters" by Roger Kimball?
Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 10:49 AM (nwqNw)

That wasn't "rape-rape"

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at April 13, 2017 10:55 AM (7HtZB)

290 that is how it was described to me by moms who had ear tubes installed after chronic ear infections. Eustachean tubes? My grandmothers used to growl and mutter about covering ears for little ones in the wind.

*****

Oh, okay. I think you are conflating a couple or three different things.

1. Eustachian tube is an anatomic channel that connects the middle ear with the inside of the nose. It allows drainage of fluid and equalization of air pressure.

2. Surgical ear tubes (also known as PE tubes or pressure equalization tubes) are small plastic grommets inserted into the ear drum (tympanic membrane) to assist with drainage of chronic fluid from repeated infections. They typically stay in place for a year or two and then are spontaneously expelled and the hole in the eardrum seals on its own (but not always)

3. Covering the ears is really not much of a factor in preventing ear infections. The underlying cause of middle ear infections is more commonly an upper respiratory tract infection, that includes the middle ear space (via the Eustachian tubes) and bacterial overgrowth within that mucous fluid in the middle ear.

4. Testicles may drop. Eustachian tubes? Not so much.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 13, 2017 10:55 AM (wPiJc)

291 She's beautiful. And mysterious, and we'll all only guess at what it all means.
_____________________________

Well said, Muldoon.

You are left wondering what her hair looks like, what the unobscured shape of her face is, is she a classic beauty?

We look at the limited elements of her beauty (her charcoal eyes, her fingers, feet and face) in our own subjective effort to project those characteristics to support an image of her objective beauty.

We can speculate that she is kind and compassionate judging from the happiness found on her brothers face, which is reassuring to the viewer that she has a good heart and soul.

Such a fascinating image.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 13, 2017 10:55 AM (4AVeu)

292
Comey wants new TV series to improve FBI's image.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058801/

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 13, 2017 10:55 AM (IqV8l)

293 278 Snob.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:44 AM (rF0hx)


Philistine.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (Fw5cQ)

Effete Northeastern Liberal.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (rF0hx)

And you're both DOODY HEADS!


(What were we talking about?)

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 10:55 AM (RD7QR)

294 Whaddya mean I don't get to ride the bull for free? There's a catch?

Posted by: Europa at April 13, 2017 10:25 AM (oQQwD)


There always is, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Pasiphae at April 13, 2017 10:56 AM (X6fMO)

295 293 278 Snob.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:44 AM (rF0hx)


Philistine.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:47 AM (Fw5cQ)

Effete Northeastern Liberal.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (rF0hx)

And you're both DOODY HEADS!


(What were we talking about?)
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy

I know you are, but what am I?

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 13, 2017 10:56 AM (FZYNt)

296
Occasionally , I can make a complete circle if I really focus and use the built-in Crayon sharpener.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:56 AM (5FLKM)

297 Effete Northeastern Liberal.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (rF0hx)

Pusillanimous pismire.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:56 AM (Fw5cQ)

298 Comey wants new TV series to improve FBI's image.

-------

How about "They Frogmarched the Domestic Spiers Doing Political Bidding Away in Orange."

Posted by: fixerupper at April 13, 2017 10:57 AM (8XRCm)

299 Real talent is hard to develop and takes tons of practice. Cramming a whip handle in someone's butt and taking a pic is easy...unless they didn't want the whip there...
Posted by: Tilikum KAW



You want "real" art?
Paint that when they didn't want it there.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 10:57 AM (uh5kC)

300 Maybe someone could hang a placard around the brave little girl statue's neck that read "Rachel Corrie - Nevertheless she persisted"

Posted by: Muldoon at April 13, 2017 10:58 AM (wPiJc)

301 I have a question regarding the previous thread.
Why is there so much of a difference between north and South Korea?


Communism.

Is it only communism?

Pretty much.

Why can't North Korea grow food and manufacturing?

Because communism has pretty much destroyed NKor's agriculture and manufacturing.

Even if they had personal gardens they could eat- or is it just snark that they eat bark?
Posted by: Chilling the most at April 13, 2017 10:53 AM (Cl52v)


I believe NKor citizens are forbidden to have personal gardens. And I believe the penalty for having one is rather high, i.e. prison camp.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 10:58 AM (V4ryl)

302 Comey wants new TV series to improve FBI's image.



Sesame Street is already taken. Sorry.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 10:58 AM (uh5kC)

303
Effete Northeastern Liberal.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (rF0hx)


Pusillanimous pismire.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:56 AM (Fw5cQ)

Egg-sucking, sheep stealing, son of a stuffed monkey!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:58 AM (rF0hx)

304 United passenger's lawyer: "Oh, it's ON, bitchezzzz!"

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 10:58 AM (NOIQH)

305 Snob.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


Philistine.

Posted by: troyriser


Effete Northeastern Liberal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


And you're both DOODY HEADS!

(What were we talking about?)

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy


I know you are, but what am I?

Posted by: Rick in SK


Look at you lamebrains! I'm gone a week and you guys couldn't insult your way into a slapfight!

Posted by: zombie Don Rickles at April 13, 2017 10:59 AM (9krrF)

306 for all you guys on the side of Dr. No, you are now on the side of the slimey lawyer now giving a press conference

Posted by: nsirchov at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (1TcdB)

307 No, I've never actually "studied" art in any meaningful way.

Should I? In other words, is there something specific about the book that would cause you to recommend it?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:51 AM (TOk1P)

The author ridicules the way modern art critics read modern social causes into the Old Masters' works. For example, see his discussion on Gauguin's "The Spirit of the Dead Watching". The scholar says it is about White Male dominance of the Brown-skinned Female Other. According to Kimball, what Gauguin was really doing was depicting a dream his Tahitian mistress had.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (nwqNw)

308 Well I have the new computer running finally. Just can't figure out how to set up Windows 10 yet.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 13, 2017 09:42 AM (mpXpK)

Set it on a rock out in the south forty. Walk away about 80 paces, turn, and fire until the box is shredded.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (0deF2)

309 >>Maybe someone could hang a placard around the brave little girl statue's
neck that read "Rachel Corrie - Nevertheless she persisted"


Ha!


I was thinking that she - or really, her feminist fans - are more like Abigail Williams in The Crucible. It's all the mean bull's fault - get him!!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (NOIQH)

310 Tastes differ. I don't look down on people who don't like abstract works. That said, I don't like being called a snob for thinking the painting above is a pedestrian piece of sentimental tripe.


Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 10:39 AM (Fw5cQ)


Saying "it's technically beautiful, but I don't care fot it" is one response.

Calling it "a pedestrian piece of sentimental tripe" pretty much assures that you'll be called a snob.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (X6fMO)

311 How about a statue of Carlos Danger trying to hand little miss Marxist wannabe a piece of candy.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (fqERy)

312 A pox on all their houses, Dr Weirdo and United

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (n0D40)

313 You want "real" art?
Paint that when they didn't want it there.

Posted by: rickb223


Followed up with "The Artist, Recovering in the ICU".

Posted by: zombie Don Rickles at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (9krrF)

314 Oooooh, Art Fight!

*grabs whiskey bottle, hides behind bar*

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at April 13, 2017 11:01 AM (sUeAK)

315 Egg-sucking, sheep stealing, son of a stuffed monkey!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 10:58 AM (rF0hx)

Sheep stealing? Never proved.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 11:01 AM (Fw5cQ)

316 When I want an art critic's opinion I'll beat it out of him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 09:52 AM (rF0hx)


OK, CBD, you need to make this the official motto of the Mid-Morning Art Thread.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 11:01 AM (V4ryl)

317 Sheep stealing? Never proved.

Posted by: troyriser


The paternity test is still out...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at April 13, 2017 11:02 AM (9krrF)

318 Photography may have caused the movement away from trompe l'oeil or photo realism art but it shouldn't have. Just as there are photographers that can capture a moment in time that makes it art, a trompe l'loeil artist can be measured the same way, only better since it's a painting. As always ,IMHO.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 11:02 AM (jl269)

319 276 I couldn't make something this beautiful.
I can barely snap a photo with my phone and that's just pushing one big, red button.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 10:52 AM (5FLKM)


Me neither.

Background is just a touch out of focus ... makes the girls really stand out.

This is one of the best things I've ever seen.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 13, 2017 11:02 AM (BEMJs)

320
This one is in the denver art museum, they sell lots of prints.

http://www.bouguereau.org/A-Childhood-Idyll.html

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 13, 2017 11:03 AM (ODxAs)

321 Calling it "a pedestrian piece of sentimental tripe" pretty much assures that you'll be called a snob.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (X6fMO)

I actually kinda sorta like the painting, but couldn't help myself with that 'sentimental tripe' response. Snobs have an image to uphold.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 11:03 AM (Fw5cQ)

322

Sons ex girlfriend, the one I liked, is from Brittany. Very tall, blue blue eyes and blond hair. Like a French Viking. Smart too. This painting makes me think of her family. They love America. That whole region remembers WWII and the US role in liberation. They are the flyover country of France.

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:03 AM (n0D40)

323 Abstract art with rare exceptions is bullshit nonsense vomited forth by people who lack talent or are lazy.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 13, 2017 11:04 AM (fcBnw)

324 There are already tons of photos of drunk people doing obscene things to the girl's statue on social media.

Hey, it's New York. What did you expect?

By the way, there are two parts of the Wall Street bull that have no tarnish on them because people rub them. One is his nose. The other is his balls.

New York.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 13, 2017 11:04 AM (4AVeu)

325 I actually kinda sorta like the painting, but couldn't help myself with that 'sentimental tripe' response. Snobs have an image to uphold.


Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 11:03 AM (Fw5cQ)


Understood. We're all snobs about something or other in our wheelhouses.

You don't like Holman Hunt, either, if I recall?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 13, 2017 11:04 AM (X6fMO)

326
If this lawyer for Dr. No thinks his speech is going to impress a jury, he's mistaken. It's sleep inducing.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 13, 2017 11:05 AM (HTdUD)

327 The author ridicules the way modern art critics read modern social causes into the Old Masters' works. For example, see his discussion on Gauguin's "The Spirit of the Dead Watching". The scholar says it is about White Male dominance of the Brown-skinned Female Other. According to Kimball, what Gauguin was really doing was depicting a dream his Tahitian mistress had.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (nwqNw)


Right. I mentioned Kimball's book on the book thread awhile back. The "scholar" who turned Gaugin's work into a progressive morality play is what gives art criticism a bad name. Kimball is trying to restore its legitimate function.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 11:05 AM (V4ryl)

328 UA CEO needs to get out the checkbook and ask how many zeroes.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 11:05 AM (kTF2Z)

329 Makes me thinks of the Breton spirit; kind, independent, loyal, family oriented

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:05 AM (n0D40)

330 I do like Mark Chagall though.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 13, 2017 11:05 AM (fcBnw)

331 Re: art criticism - Saw a fabulous John Singer Seargent show where beside each of his paintings were two opinions from critics written at the time the painting premiered, one positive and one negative. It was fascinating to see what some thought of them at that time.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 11:06 AM (NOIQH)

332 330 I do like Mark Chagall though.
Posted by: Kreplach
______

Uh, that is "Mark" with a "c".

Posted by: Cark Chagall at April 13, 2017 11:06 AM (j+dfT)

333 The Pervert Doc's family is playing it up big time for the big bucks. LMAO

Oh and the daughter is cute

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:06 AM (KlI/a)

334 Maybe someone could hang a placard around the brave little girl statue's
neck that read "Rachel Corrie - Nevertheless she persisted"

Richard Cory went hone last night, and put a bullet Through his head

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 13, 2017 11:07 AM (FZYNt)

335 328 UA CEO needs to get out the checkbook and ask how many zeroes.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 13, 2017 11:05 AM (kTF2Z)

Actually he needs to be updating his resume' because he's going to be hitting the bricks soon.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 11:07 AM (RD7QR)

336 >>If this lawyer for Dr. No thinks his speech is going to impress a jury, he's mistaken. It's sleep inducing.


Kinda veered into railing against corporate America blah bah blah...

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 11:07 AM (NOIQH)

337 You don't like Holman Hunt, either, if I recall?


Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 13, 2017 11:04 AM (X6fMO)

I genuinely dislike Holman Hunt's work. His paintings are cringe-worthy, especially 'The Awakening Conscience', where the perspective is hopelessly screwed.

If you're going to do cornball genre paintings, at least be technically proficient.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 11:07 AM (Fw5cQ)

338
Asian 'Rosa Parks'.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 13, 2017 11:07 AM (HTdUD)

339 couldn't help myself with that 'sentimental tripe' response. Snobs have an image to uphold.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 11:03 AM (Fw5cQ)

A lot of the artist's work is more sentimental than the one I chose, which is, I think, one of his best pieces. Much of his other stuff is gauzier and soft and not as pleasing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 11:08 AM (rF0hx)

340 Grifters and con men gotta con

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:08 AM (n0D40)

341 Lost 2 front teeth?

Hey I wonder if he needs my business card.

I take United Checks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:08 AM (KlI/a)

342 I could paint that except I have no art skills and no art supplies.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2017 11:08 AM (C8aCP)

343 It came with 10 so I am stuck with it unless I want to buy 7 separately.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 13, 2017 09:54 AM (mpXpK)

No, you're not. Download Linux Mint 18, boot it off the DVD or thumb drive on which you put it, and tell it to format the hard drive and install itself.

Unless you are wedded to a suite of software that only runs under windows, you no longer need windows.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 13, 2017 11:09 AM (0deF2)

344 338
Asian 'Rosa Parks'.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 13, 2017 11:07 AM (HTdUD)

Nevertheless, he was twisted.

(Yeah, I know, phrasing.)

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 11:09 AM (RD7QR)

345 Currently watching the mostly boring press conference in history on CNN. Asshole United passenger has a daughter named Crystal Pepper. Sounds like a soft drink.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at April 13, 2017 11:09 AM (IPWiu)

346 Broken nose, lost two front teeth, concussion.

Gives new meaning to 'Disembarking' the plane.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 13, 2017 11:09 AM (HTdUD)

347 Things that make you go "Hmmm".

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/262400/

Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2017 11:10 AM (r/0kC)

348 I could paint that except I have no art skills and no art supplies.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2017 11:08 AM (C8aCP)

I've taken up sculpting. Clay is cheap.

Posted by: troyriser at April 13, 2017 11:10 AM (Fw5cQ)

349 346 Broken nose, lost two front teeth, concussion.

Gives new meaning to 'Disembarking' the plane.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum

Don't give him pain meds, cause you know what he'll trade them for

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 13, 2017 11:11 AM (FZYNt)

350
Anybody with his art supplies, talent, vision and hard work could paint that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 13, 2017 11:11 AM (ODxAs)

351 Broken nose, lost two front teeth, concussion.

Gives new meaning to 'Disembarking' the plane.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 13, 2017 11:09 AM (HTdUD)


Nonetheless, he persisted.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet -Your Conspiracy Theory Outfitter - Reynolds Wrap 30% Off! at April 13, 2017 11:11 AM (hLRSq)

352 341 Lost 2 front teeth?

Hey I wonder if he needs my business card.

I take United Checks
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:08 AM (KlI/a)

Who gets the anesthesia?

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 11:11 AM (RD7QR)

353 So this guy has committed fraud before right


Was he on camera the whole time? How do we know he didn't hurt himself for a pay day?

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:11 AM (n0D40)

354 William Bouguereau: My favorite painter of all time.

Posted by: RKae at April 13, 2017 11:11 AM (4DpAT)

355 Understood. We're all snobs about something or other in our wheelhouses.




H&K rules. Glocks drool.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 11:11 AM (uh5kC)

356
I was a wannabe artist so I guess you could say art and war was intertwined.

Posted by: Adolf at April 13, 2017 09:51 AM (jl269)

He could paint a house in an afternoon. 2 coats!!

Posted by: Prudie, thinking she has a funny at April 13, 2017 11:12 AM (al6UK)

357 345
Currently watching the mostly boring press conference in history on CNN.
Asshole United passenger has a daughter named Crystal Pepper. Sounds
like a soft drink.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken

Crystal Pepper is a meth-addicted stripper's name.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 13, 2017 11:12 AM (dZ756)

358 Oh the lawyer already went Nazi...LMAO

Called the Cops 'Storm Troopers"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:12 AM (KlI/a)

359 345
Currently watching the mostly boring press conference in history on CNN.
Asshole United passenger has a daughter named Crystal Pepper. Sounds
like a soft drink.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at April 13, 2017 11:09 AM (IPWiu)

Coulda been worse - last name could have been "Meth"

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 11:13 AM (Fb9aZ)

360 1. Asian Rosa Park gets dragged.
2. CEO steps on Dick.
3. Shady lawyer blames corporate America.
4. PROFIT!!!

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 11:13 AM (fqERy)

361 This lawyer is also going after the City of Chicago...Go Go GO Go

LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:13 AM (KlI/a)

362 Rick in SK,

"Don't give him any pain meds, cause you know what he'll trade them for"

Thread winnuh.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at April 13, 2017 11:13 AM (IPWiu)

363 I've never heard of that artist before, but this painting is fantastic.

Posted by: rickl at April 13, 2017 11:14 AM (xjiRE)

364 Asian Rosa Parks?
Jesus.......

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at April 13, 2017 11:14 AM (FqgrG)

365 No, I've never actually "studied" art in any meaningful way.

Should I? In other words, is there something specific about the book that would cause you to recommend it?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 10:51 AM (TOk1P)

The author ridicules the way modern art critics read modern social causes into the Old Masters' works. For example, see his discussion on Gauguin's "The Spirit of the Dead Watching". The scholar says it is about White Male dominance of the Brown-skinned Female Other. According to Kimball, what Gauguin was really doing was depicting a dream his Tahitian mistress had.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (nwqNw)


Sounds interesting, but I think for my limited pursuit, I would be more interested in a better understanding of artists' original intentions, rather than a criticism of modern art for ignoring it.

Would this book be worth my time in that regard?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 11:14 AM (TOk1P)

366 Almost perfect, except for brother's right eye. Now I can't stop focusing on it.

Posted by: pete at April 13, 2017 11:15 AM (meg+g)

367 I haven't been following the United Airlines debacle closely, other than to make funny jokes about it, but why is all the shit sticking to the airline and not to the cops?

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2017 11:15 AM (C8aCP)

368 Very pretty painting. I love the faces and the detail in the costumes.

Posted by: Kraig the Climber at April 13, 2017 11:15 AM (4jm34)

369 360 1. Asian Rosa Park gets dragged.
2. CEO steps on Dick.
3. Shady lawyer blames corporate America.
4. PROFIT!!!

----

Vhat a country!

Posted by: Some old Russian comic at April 13, 2017 11:15 AM (suO/a)

370

Dr No gets dragged. Sees people filming. Senses pay day. Bangs his face/ head intentionally into an object, say a wheelchair, in the jetway to cause bleeding/injury, enhances payday

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:16 AM (n0D40)

371 United should go long on the egg roll. Make him sue, get it moved to federal court if they can and stretch it out. The way this guy lives he will be dead or in prison before the case gets a verdict.

No need to play nice.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 13, 2017 11:16 AM (5VlCp)

372 Saul Goodman this lawyer is not.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at April 13, 2017 11:16 AM (IPWiu)

373 Way at the end of the article we find is he is an illegal.

-
PBS ran an American Experience: The Great War which I generally thought was quite good. However it had one glaring omission, the Zimmerman telegram. German foreign minister Zimmerman telegraphed Mexico offering to let them have the southwestern US if they attacked the US if the US declared war on Germany. The Brits eavesdropped on the wire and let the US know. When confronted, the Germans admitted it. It caused great anti-German feeling in the US. PBS went on and on about how Wilson was too proud to fight and wept when he was forced into war. But no Zimmerman. Am I paranoid for suspecting PBS was shielding Mexico and the "immigrants" from any bad mindthoughts concerning reconquista-ism?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 13, 2017 11:16 AM (Nwg0u)

374 Dao has a kid? I thought he was a turd burglar

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (nv4l9)

375 Asshole United passenger has a daughter named Crystal Pepper. Sounds like a soft drink.

Or the newbie at the Chocolate Starfish.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (X6fMO)

376 All I want for Easter is my two front teeth.

That and 20 million dollars.

Posted by: Dr. Dao at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (IqV8l)

377 It's a proof problem. United has the deep pockets, but they didn't cause the injury

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (n0D40)

378 This lawyer is also going after the City of Chicago...Go Go GO Go

LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup


Can we fix it so they all lose? Please?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (9krrF)

379 This lawyer is also going after the City of Chicago...Go Go GO Go

LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:13 AM (KlI/a)


Sue Rahm just because. But it's ridiculous that this is the number one story in the country

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (493sH)

380 Clay is cheap.

A guy's gotta eat, you know.

Posted by: Clay Aiken at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (X6fMO)

381 374
Dao has a kid? I thought he was a turd burglar

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (nv4l9)

Apparently he has 5 kids and some grandkids.

Posted by: Tami at April 13, 2017 11:19 AM (Enq6K)

382 379 This lawyer is also going after the City of Chicago...Go Go GO Go

LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:13 AM (KlI/a)


Sue Rahm just because. But it's ridiculous that this is the number one story in the country
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (493sH)

Everybody hates to fly. It's schadenfreude.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 11:19 AM (RD7QR)

383 Sounds interesting, but I think for my limited pursuit, I would be more interested in a better understanding of artists' original intentions, rather than a criticism of modern art for ignoring it.

Would this book be worth my time in that regard?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 11:14 AM (TOk1P)

Maybe not. He does actually talk about artists' intentions, but the book is about the absurd modern interpretations of past works. Perhaps look for collections of the artists' personal writings.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 11:19 AM (nwqNw)

384 Was the cop a Chicago cop?

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:19 AM (n0D40)

385
254 Still does.

Its called The GI Bill.
_________________________

Yeah, free for giving up four years of your life.

That kind of free.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 13, 2017 10:46 AM (4AVeu)








Along with the added benefit of possibly being disemboweled by mortar shrapnel in a foreign land.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 13, 2017 11:19 AM (XWkhW)

386 If they are of the parts I think they are,they are most certainly appropriate.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/262347/

Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2017 11:20 AM (r/0kC)

387 377
It's a proof problem. United has the deep pockets, but they didn't cause the injury

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (n0D40)

You saw him injury himself?

Posted by: Tami at April 13, 2017 11:20 AM (Enq6K)

388 Everyone cheering on Dr. Fellate remember these shit show lawyers walk away with half of any settlement.

Posted by: NCKate at April 13, 2017 11:20 AM (fYnwI)

389 Sure the pic isn't exactly an action pic, but the execution is incredible. I thought it was a photo at first.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at April 13, 2017 11:20 AM (0x/TW)

390 They always told me it doesn't pay to resist the cops. I guess 'they' were wrong.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 11:20 AM (jl269)

391 As I lk=looked at this agaian - and the title "brenton" brother and sister I thought -

"Who are You?"

"I am Arthur - King of the Bretons"

"King of the who?"

"The Bretons!"

"Who are they?"

"We are all Bretons . . and I am your King!"

"King eh? Well . . I didn't vote for you!"

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 13, 2017 11:20 AM (Fb9aZ)

392 She's beautiful. Stunningly realistic. Her eyes are amazing.

Posted by: psych495 at April 13, 2017 11:20 AM (uIGjr)

393 Dao has a kid? I thought he was a turd burglar
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (nv4l9)

Lady boy working both sides of the street.

A man has got to eat you know.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 13, 2017 11:21 AM (5VlCp)

394 Dao has a kid? I thought he was a turd burglar

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 13, 2017 11:17 AM (nv4l9)




Just because he trades drugs for sex with guys and he gave a guy with chest pains a genital exam doesn't mean he's bent

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 13, 2017 11:22 AM (493sH)

395 I didn't seem him injure himself

I saw him dragged

Then later I saw him bloodied

He has to prove who did that and how, and why United is responsible

The guy has a history of fraud.

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:22 AM (n0D40)

396 This lawyer is a jerk...When asked why he did not want to get up? "He did not want to"

NOt sure I would have gone down that road

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:23 AM (KlI/a)

397 Just because he trades drugs for sex with guys and he gave a guy with chest pains a genital exam doesn't mean he's bent
Posted by: TheQuietMan

just means he qualifies to be a high school teacher

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 13, 2017 11:23 AM (FZYNt)

398 A beautiful piece, CBD. Thank you. What a joy to behold amidst a world of so much ugliness.

Posted by: fly gal at April 13, 2017 11:23 AM (8TdcF)

399 Just because he trades drugs for sex with guys and he gave a guy with chest pains a genital exam doesn't mean he's bent

You play pocket pool with one Cub Scout and you never live it down.

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 13, 2017 11:24 AM (X6fMO)

400 >>Everyone cheering on Dr. Fellate remember these shit show lawyers walk away with half of any settlement.

Just expanding the club of "everyone involved in this sh#tshow is a jerk" by one, then?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 13, 2017 11:24 AM (NOIQH)

401 Look this do dah or what ever his name is is gonna make a fortune.. But I am not impressed with this Lawyer... I hope he is not one of mine

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:25 AM (KlI/a)

402 But it's ridiculous that this is the number one story in the country
Posted by: TheQuietMan




The reason it is? Is because it could have been any one of us that got bumped.

Except for a muzzie. Because we're all equal.

Except some are more equal than others.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 11:26 AM (uh5kC)

403 327 The author ridicules the way modern art critics read modern social causes into the Old Masters' works. For example, see his discussion on Gauguin's "The Spirit of the Dead Watching". The scholar says it is about White Male dominance of the Brown-skinned Female Other. According to Kimball, what Gauguin was really doing was depicting a dream his Tahitian mistress had.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (nwqNw)

Right. I mentioned Kimball's book on the book thread awhile back. The "scholar" who turned Gaugin's work into a progressive morality play is what gives art criticism a bad name. Kimball is trying to restore its legitimate function.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 11:05 AM (V4ryl)



Ugh.

You've wandered into a huge pet peeve of mine-

the imposition of some modern progressive nonsense onto the art of a previous era.

A few years ago I wandered onto a movie website where the proprietor was trying to make some bizarre assertion that the director of a 1930s horror movie was making a statement about global warming.

The movie was a very standard monster flick of that era...maybe "White Zombie" if I'm remembering correctly.

And "deconstructed" by the blogtard to fit into his goofy worldview.

So, I tried to argue with him nicely and logically about the absurdity of his critique.

Aaaaaand, you can probably figure out how that went.

He immediately went from 0 to 100 on the shouty, abusive, outrageous outrage scale.

So, I insulted him gratuitously cuz life's too short for emotionally unstable morons(the bad kind).

And left.

That experience convinced me that I never wanted to see the Left take control of the gov't again in my lifetime.

Their ignorance is impervious to reason and logic or even human decency.

We really dodged a bullet when Hillary! lost.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 13, 2017 11:26 AM (9q7Dl)

404

Furthermore United didn't injure him

If he is to be believed the cop injured him. The cop is not a United employee. United asked the cop to remove him, not injure him

he is just looking for the deep pockets. United didn't injure him. And Chicago didn't either, as the cop was acting out of the scope of his employment

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:26 AM (n0D40)

405 If we're still talking about art, the Society of Illustrators in New York has a pretty cool exhibit of sci fi and fantasy illustration art upcoming this summer

http://tinyurl.com/mte7wlz

Posted by: josephistan at April 13, 2017 11:26 AM (7HtZB)

406 As I said yesterday, the police called were sort of like transit police. They are not armed, (thanks to Chicago city hall). And not part of the Chicago Police Dept.

Posted by: Colin at April 13, 2017 11:26 AM (RS7vk)

407 I saw him dragged



Then later I saw him bloodied



He has to prove who did that and how, and why United is responsible



The guy has a history of fraud.

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:22 AM (n0D40)

He broke his own nose, knocked out two of his own teeth and gave himself a concussion?

Posted by: Tami at April 13, 2017 11:27 AM (Enq6K)

408 Am I paranoid for suspecting PBS was shielding Mexico and the "immigrants" from any bad mindthoughts concerning reconquista-ism?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 13, 2017 11:16 AM (Nwg0u)


A good an explanation as any. Someone else posted here an article written at one of those conservative webzines, I can't remember which. The gist of which, was that Wilson was literally worse than Hitler, because Hitler (among many many other things) never would have existed had Wilson not gotten us into that war "for no good reason."

Well yeah. There's a good reason. The damned dirty Krauts were, among other things, working on carving up this country, had they won.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 11:27 AM (TOk1P)

409 They'd much rather have this stupid story full of "villains" rather than shinie a light on the foreign policy shitshow of the last six years.

Posted by: Chupacabra at April 13, 2017 11:27 AM (9/YlV)

410 Bew row guaa...

Bow a rague a...

Boig a rarew...

Butter guts roar...

...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 13, 2017 11:28 AM (GgzGa)

411 Best meme on the net: "Southwest Airlines: We beat our competition, not our passengers."

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at April 13, 2017 11:28 AM (IPWiu)

412 I don't know that she particularly looks serene she looks more complacent after being asked where the child got the apple from.

like an eye roll was just within her reach but held back for politeness sake

Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:28 AM (4lrrm)

413 Even if they had personal gardens they could eat- or is it just snark that they eat bark?
Posted by: Chilling the most at April 13, 2017 10:53 AM (Cl52v)

I believe NKor citizens are forbidden to have personal gardens. And I believe the penalty for having one is rather high, i.e. prison camp.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004


Not sure about NorK, but in Cuba possession of "the means of agriculture" is forbidden. Meaning no private gardens and no private chickens.

Posted by: Adriane the Coffee Critic ... at April 13, 2017 11:29 AM (AoK0a)

414 410 Bew row guaa...

Bow a rague a...

Boig a rarew...

Butter guts roar...

...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 13, 2017 11:28 AM (GgzGa)

Heh. Yeah, people who actually speak French always cringe when I give it a try.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at April 13, 2017 11:29 AM (RD7QR)

415 404




Furthermore United didn't injure him



If he is to be believed the cop injured him. The cop is not a United
employee. United asked the cop to remove him, not injure him



he is just looking for the deep pockets. United didn't injure him.
And Chicago didn't either, as the cop was acting out of the scope of
his employment

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:26 AM (n0D40)

It's a vast winged conspiracy.

Posted by: Hillary! at April 13, 2017 11:30 AM (XoldI)

416 If he is to be believed the cop injured him. The cop is not a United
employee. United asked the cop to remove him, not injure him
.

===

911 abuse.

The airlines have been granted 'special government regulations' for their convenience and profit.

By calling the cops/security whatever, they made this into a "ZOMG FEDERAL AIRCRAFT SECURITY INCIDENT".

United?

All of 'em.

Let 'em burn.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 11:30 AM (5FLKM)

417 Ya know who is mad at United?

American, Delta, and the rest...I bet Eastern is really pissed

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 13, 2017 11:30 AM (KlI/a)

418 Prisoners will injure themselves or swallow things in order to claim abuse, sue, get a transfer, spend some time in the hospital with they prefer

They also injure themselves to get pain killers. The good kind


Everyone in this situation is awful but that doesn't mean I believe this guy for a minute

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:30 AM (n0D40)

419 Are you all impressed how I never dropped my phone even after being concussed?

Posted by: Dr No at April 13, 2017 11:31 AM (qXFhJ)

420 Go ahead yuck it up.
Do you know who else nervously laughed when they lost confidence in their leader?

Posted by: Under Fire at April 13, 2017 11:31 AM (fqERy)

421 408 Am I paranoid for suspecting PBS was shielding Mexico and the "immigrants" from any bad mindthoughts concerning reconquista-ism?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 13, 2017 11:16 AM (Nwg0u)


A good an explanation as any. Someone else posted here an article written at one of those conservative webzines, I can't remember which. The gist of which, was that Wilson was literally worse than Hitler, because Hitler (among many many other things) never would have existed had Wilson not gotten us into that war "for no good reason."

Well yeah. There's a good reason. The damned dirty Krauts were, among other things, working on carving up this country, had they won.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 11:27 AM (TOk1P)

History has also largely forgotten that Germany sent saboteurs to attack America in 1916.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tom_explosion

Posted by: josephistan at April 13, 2017 11:31 AM (7HtZB)

422 he is just looking for the deep pockets. United didn't injure him. And Chicago didn't either, as the cop was acting out of the scope of his employment
Posted by: ThunderB



Wait a damn minute. All day yesterday we were told that we HAD TO OBEY A LAWFUL ORDER.

Now you are saying it wasn't a lawful order?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 11:31 AM (uh5kC)

423 did any representative of united try to stop the escalation? considering we are to believe they are the boss when on their plane.

Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:31 AM (4lrrm)

424 He broke his own nose, knocked out two of his own teeth and gave himself a concussion?
Posted by: Tami


Don't know about him specifically, but jailhouse CCTV cameras have caught it in many other cases / circumstances ...

Posted by: Adriane the Coffee Critic ... at April 13, 2017 11:31 AM (AoK0a)

425 If you are going to resist there is a chance you are going to be injured. Drama queen victim wins again .

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 11:31 AM (jl269)

426 Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 11:14 AM (TOk1P)

Maybe not. He does actually talk about artists' intentions, but the book is about the absurd modern interpretations of past works. Perhaps look for collections of the artists' personal writings.

Posted by: Kris at April 13, 2017 11:19 AM (nwqNw)


That won't do! I'm looking for someone to make this easy for me...

But seriously, thanks for the info. I really do appreciate it. I really would like to be able to study art to a greater extent, but time being what it is, I'll not do more than just dabbling in it, I'm sure.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 11:32 AM (TOk1P)

427 The sculptor of Wall Street's iconic "Charging Bull" statue says New York City has violated his legal rights with theplacement of "Fearless Girl," a statue of a young girl.

-
And yet, she persisted.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 13, 2017 11:32 AM (Nwg0u)

428 Wait a damn minute. All day yesterday we were told that we HAD TO OBEY A LAWFUL ORDER.
===


PUT THAT FUCKING TOILET SEAT LID DOWN, MISTER

Posted by: United Flight Attendant at April 13, 2017 11:33 AM (5FLKM)

429
Jeez. You'd think he was the only person ever violently ejected from an airplane.

Posted by: John McCain at April 13, 2017 11:33 AM (HTdUD)

430 Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 11:31 AM (uh5kC)

Where did you get that out of her post?

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 11:33 AM (jl269)

431 Even if they had personal gardens they could eat- or is it just snark that they eat bark?

Posted by: Chilling the most at April 13, 2017 10:53 AM (Cl52v)



Posted by: Adriane the Coffee Critic ... at April 13, 2017 11:29 AM (AoK0a)

I read recently that some is NK can now have gardens and sell some of the produce for profit, but its very limited. thanks to their beloved Kim jong un, the benevolent god.

Posted by: Colin at April 13, 2017 11:33 AM (RS7vk)

432 He broke his own nose, knocked out two of his own teeth and gave himself a concussion?

Posted by: Tami at April 13, 2017 11:27 AM (Enq6K)

I have no idea whether he did it to himself, but for a potential multimillion dollar payday, people have done much worse to themselves.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 13, 2017 11:34 AM (rF0hx)

433 Where did you get that out of her post?


"He acted out of the scope of his employment"

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 11:34 AM (uh5kC)

434

I would ant to see the medical reports. Who wrote them, s buddy of his? Based on what? The guys self report? He is a liar.

He has to prove it. He is trying to force a quick settlement so he can avoid having to prove it. It's a scam. I don't believe him. At least not as to the cause and the extent of his injuries

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:34 AM (n0D40)

435 look I don't want to sound bitter but I really can't sympathise with the whole airport process from them dumping my purse to looking under my bra and panties. while being not so polite themselves, or the long waits.

It used to be a rather positive experience now I perspire while dealing with the experience .

Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:34 AM (4lrrm)

436 It came with 10 so I am stuck with it unless I want to buy 7 separately.
Posted by: Vic

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/
10-things-to-disable-in-windows-10/

Posted by: a good place to start at April 13, 2017 11:35 AM (v9gSJ)

437 Norks making money would run into the same problem Cubans have: nothing to buy.

Posted by: Chupacabra at April 13, 2017 11:35 AM (9/YlV)

438 If Dr. No and his supporters win, you will see the equivalent the scenario of rocks being thrown at Baltimore cops and doing nothing, being played out on airplanes. The Ferguson affect is the ill wind that fills the vacuum of authority.

Posted by: nsirchov at April 13, 2017 11:35 AM (1TcdB)

439 Scummy people who run scams and like drugs do injure themselves for cash and drugs

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:36 AM (n0D40)

440 nood.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 13, 2017 11:36 AM (V4ryl)

441 G'day all.

Good grief. Ambulance chasers = attention whores

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 13, 2017 11:36 AM (PY9jH)

442 --
--
"He acted out of the scope of his employment"





Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2017 11:34 AM

--------

That part can be read both ways.

Posted by: irright at April 13, 2017 11:37 AM (pMGkg)

443 In terms of technical artistry, it probably doesn't get any better than this. When a painting looks like a photo, technique is just impeccable, as is attention to detail. Personally, I find the technical execution phenomenal, but the painting itself seems cold to me, as though it is just an example of technical execution, and not a portrayal of life..

Posted by: macleod at April 13, 2017 11:37 AM (N315I)

444 I said yesterday, everyone had to behave badly for this to occur. Everyone.

But I smell fraud

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:37 AM (n0D40)

445 Take the bull out. Then all you have is a silly girl sculpture.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at April 13, 2017 11:37 AM (cjzGm)

446 If Dr. No and his supporters win, you will see the equivalent the
scenario of rocks being thrown at Baltimore cops and doing nothing,
being played out on airplanes. The Ferguson affect is the ill wind that
fills the vacuum of authority.
==

Right.



And that's why we need special regulations for Greyhound and a Federal Bus Police Force.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 11:38 AM (5FLKM)

447 Their was a YouTube video of a bus driver of a private (?) bus driver who had her bus stopped by a soldier, screaming at the soldier, that he was an asshole or such...She is probably now uncomfortably living in a camp somewhere.

Posted by: Colin at April 13, 2017 11:38 AM (RS7vk)

448 look I don't want to sound bitter but I really can't sympathise with the whole airport process from them dumping my purse to looking under my bra and panties. while being not so polite themselves, or the long waits.

It used to be a rather positive experience now I perspire while dealing with the experience .

Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:34 AM (4lrrm)


Once upon a time, there was this thing called the Constitution. And in this Constitution, there's this thing called the Fourth Amendment.

I'm not sure how, but Americans are now ok with total strangers, high school dropouts, working for the Airline Industrial Complex, shining flashlights up their bungholes...

What a world.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 13, 2017 11:38 AM (TOk1P)

449 Jack Sock, at what point is our travel within Our own borders supposed to become this inconvenient? the whole process has become an inconvenience and often a rude experience for Their convenience while stating If we want to fly the not so friendly skies because of Other peoples actions we must obey and tolerate the rudeness and now nekked exploitation?
When is it we have to put off Our planned trips with obligations to give up a apid for ticket for the convenience of ____? anything else?

Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:39 AM (4lrrm)

450 He is a scam artist

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:40 AM (n0D40)

451 for all you guys on the side of Dr. No, you are now on the side of the slimey lawyer now giving a press conference

Posted by: nsirchov at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (1TcdB)

Slimy lawyers exist because once in a while, they are needed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 13, 2017 11:41 AM (0deF2)

452 --
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He is a scam artist

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:40 AM

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I agree completely. But then again, so is United AND the City of Chicago. (not necessarily in this instance, just in general)

Posted by: irright at April 13, 2017 11:45 AM (pMGkg)

453 So after this guy was dragged off the plane, they left him alone...he injures himself and then he runs back on the plane less than 10 minutes later bloodied? Oooookay....

Posted by: Tami at April 13, 2017 11:46 AM (Enq6K)

454 for all you guys on the side of Dr. No, you are now on the side of the slimey lawyer now giving a press conference

Posted by: nsirchov at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (1TcdB)


no I am on the side of americans in general, you or I. we didn't do 911 but WE are treated as if We did. and I expect a service that I pay for . not to be considered only at the convenience after they got my cash and they may renege on Their obligation for Their convenience.

Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:47 AM (4lrrm)

455 Yes Tami. It happens all the time. People fake falls, fake back injuries, do self harm for drugs or cash. All the time.

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:48 AM (n0D40)

456 Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:39 AM (4lrrm)

This has been the process for decades. You want me to list other inconveniences of life and how normal people handle them?

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 13, 2017 11:48 AM (jl269)

457 Download Linux Mint 18

IIRC the Mint guy publicly declared Trump Voters non-grata a few threads ago.

Posted by: DaveA at April 13, 2017 11:48 AM (FhXTo)

458 He is a scam artist
===

Like Rosa Parks.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at April 13, 2017 11:50 AM (5FLKM)

459 jack goferit. I am stating where I stand and many others, we might have to travel to and fro, but if they want polite consideration they reciprocate not at their whim Only.

and right I have given up flying because of their behavior . not my own.
others cannot do so Because their obligations Must be met and this is possibly their only avenue.

respect goes both way.

Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:50 AM (4lrrm)

460 United should go long on the egg roll. Make him sue, get it moved to federal court if they can and stretch it out. The way this guy lives he will be dead or in prison before the case gets a verdict.

No need to play nice.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Because the publicity magically stops when lawyers do what makes people hate lawyers.

Posted by: The clown at April 13, 2017 11:50 AM (326rv)

461 I love Bouguereau! I first discovered him about ten or fifteen years ago. Beautiful paintings of beautiful subjects.

Posted by: biancaneve at April 13, 2017 11:52 AM (A/iod)

462 mho only! that's what comments are about.

peace.

Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:52 AM (4lrrm)

463 She's beautiful. Stunningly realistic. Her eyes are amazing.

Posted by: psych495 at April 13, 2017 11:20 AM


Now that I look at the painting again, I'm struck by how much she looks like my friend's little girl at that age, when she was all dolled up in the traditional Azorean garb for some cultural dance event.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2017 11:52 AM (p+Wdc)

464 btw, the painting is lovely I wouldn't mind gazing at it in my own home.

Posted by: willow at April 13, 2017 11:52 AM (4lrrm)

465 I kinda wish something else would happen before I've got everyone on ignore_user().

Posted by: DaveA at April 13, 2017 11:53 AM (FhXTo)

466 455
Yes Tami. It happens all the time. People fake falls, fake back injuries, do self harm for drugs or cash. All the time.

Posted by: ThunderB at April 13, 2017 11:48 AM (n0D40)

So I guess the blood coming out of his mouth as they dragged him down the aisle was fake too. Probably had one of those packs they use in the movies...he carried it just in case the airline had to force him off the plane. He bit it just in time for those filming to catch it.

Posted by: Tami at April 13, 2017 11:57 AM (Enq6K)

467 "IIRC the Mint guy publicly declared Trump Voters non-grata a few threads ago."

He's doing a shit job of enforcing it.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at April 13, 2017 11:58 AM (wKLtz)

468 IIRC the Mint guy publicly declared Trump Voters non-grata a few threads ago.

Posted by: DaveA at April 13, 2017 11:48 AM (FhXTo)

Yeah, he did. Guess what? I get his product for free, and don't "donate". If I had to buy it, I'd reconsider.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 13, 2017 12:02 PM (0deF2)

469 for all you guys on the side of Dr. No, you are now on the side of the slimey lawyer now giving a press conference

Posted by: nsirchov at April 13, 2017 11:00 AM (1TcdB)

Keep pretending that the airline process is somehow wondrously better than people know it to be.

Yes, this guy is a walking shitshow. He's no Ghandi. Then again, neither was Ghandi.

Posted by: The clown at April 13, 2017 12:23 PM (326rv)

470 "Hyacinthoides non-descripta"?

O.K. But the PLANT is Hyacinthoides non-scripta.

Greetings from the Gardening Thread, Bluebell.

Posted by: KT at April 13, 2017 12:24 PM (qahv/)

471 Did I read that wrong?

Posted by: KT at April 13, 2017 12:25 PM (qahv/)

472 Bougereau's work is gorgeous, but his work leaves me with some question marks.
I have been told, by art instructors, to read the symbolism of the young "girl with broken vase" as depicting unhappily-lost virginity.
http://tinyurl.com/llw45ry

There's this obviously-pedophilic take on the broken vase, by another artist:
http://tinyurl.com/k2qk9yy

And here is another Bougereau with the same vase:
http://tinyurl.com/n24j5z8

It's just something to be aware of. None of these painstakingly painted works have any accidental symbolism.

Posted by: Cameo_Appearance at April 13, 2017 01:12 PM (nb404)

473 Posted by: Cameo_Appearance at April 13, 2017 01:12 PM (nb404)

That sounds like a lot of pomo gobbledygook to me.

Bouguereau is known for his transcendentally sublime paintings of the Blessed Mother. He has no peer in presenting and executing that subject matter in 3-D.

I'm an artist - trained in painting, sculpture and illustration. I graduated a 4 year art school with new im0proved skills but also the realization that most art professors are unrepentant perverts. So it's no surprise to me that the links you reference are about dirty talk rather than just the technique and craft of painting.

Sometimes a broken vase is just a broken vase.

Posted by: kallisto at April 13, 2017 01:42 PM (kD8Fh)

474 Modern art is shit. Obviously, modern art commences sometime after 1871.

Posted by: The Beer Whisperer at April 13, 2017 01:47 PM (KSL35)

475 "That sounds like a lot of pomo gobbledygook to me."

It was pretty straightforward, really, but nothing that you are required to agree with. I agree that his work is gorgeous.

Painting the Blessed Virgin Mary isn't a proof, though. We have enough instances of debauched homosexuals who nevertheless painted sublime religious art.

Posted by: Cameo_Appearance at April 13, 2017 02:01 PM (nb404)

476 startlingly beautiful painting

Posted by: Shoey at April 13, 2017 02:15 PM (jiQjN)

477 I'm gonna second Shoey, I never comment on these beautiful paintings but this one is one of the most gorgeous things I have ever seen.

Probably makes me a philistine, or whatever they call people who are not fully appreciative of a poorly painted black square.

Posted by: motionview at April 13, 2017 02:52 PM (pYQR/)

478 Painting the Blessed Virgin Mary isn't a proof, though. We have enough instances of debauched homosexuals who nevertheless painted sublime religious art.

Posted by: Cameo_Appearance at April 13, 2017 02:01 PM (nb404)


Who for example?

In any case, Bougeuareau was a devout Catholic whose oeuvre was an expression of his spiritual beliefs:


"Bougeaureau viewed his art as a form of worship of God and His most beloved creation, mankind."

https://tinyurl.com/m524cgz



(I'm not sure why you had to include the modifier "debauched' before the word homosexual though.)

Posted by: kallisto at April 13, 2017 03:09 PM (kD8Fh)

479 The Nut Gatherers (at the Detroit Institute of Arts) is my favorite Bouguereau painting. My best friend's mother used to say it reminded her of us, long before we ever saw it (my bf was born in Detroit but the family moved). The flush of the skin and the way that the girls face each other catches them in a way that seems natural even though the image is idealized.

Speaking of critics, I got the following comment about a piece of mine: "It has a unique quality of gestural solidity which makes the sculpture appear both stable and ethereal." I think it's a compliment.

As for criticism of Rockwell, I thought it was funny that when I took my parents and one of my brothers to see a traveling exhibit of his work, it was packed. A report said it was one of the most popular exhibits, and I could tell why. People were responding to the paintings, and most of them were too young to have ever seen the Saturday Post or have seen them in the context of just illustrations.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at April 13, 2017 03:14 PM (fxCK2)

480 -I can't produce DNA-stained sheets for you, but Michelangelo and Caravaggio are two examples.

-Religiosity is not an argument against pedophilia.

-Not all homosexuals are debauched. Some are sexually continent, as practicing Christians.

-I linked to three paintings. No dirty writing, no pomo revisionism. Just the paintings.

Posted by: Cameo_Appearance at April 13, 2017 03:23 PM (nb404)

481 What a beautiful painting!

Posted by: Jeanne T. at April 13, 2017 04:04 PM (7m6aO)

482 This.Is.Gorgeous! Whoever commissioned it must have been thrilled - nay, gobsmacked. Superb.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at April 13, 2017 04:46 PM (tHwdc)

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