Mid-Morning Open Thread

Boatmen On The Missouri
George Caleb Bingham

This is an interesting and amusing painting, although nobody would argue for its inclusion among the greats. So why did I choose it? Well, in addition to it being nice to look at, it was donated to the De Young Museum Mr. and Mrs. John D. Rockefeller 3rd, the third generation of a famous family of fascist oppressors.

It's easy for the Left to demonize wealth, but here is a very nice example of what it can do. And while I have no need to assure you of this, I will, because it needs repeating: the progressive canard that government is necessary for the support of the arts is just that; a lie, perpetrated on the American public. I will take privately funded art any day of the week over the work product of the current crop of lazy, self-indulgent, narcissistic, talentless drones whose only skill is sticking a thumb in the eye of Western culture.

Posted by: CBD at 09:35 AM

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1 Fist!

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:32 AM (oAY8z)

2 Of

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:33 AM (oAY8z)

3 Fury!!!!

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:33 AM (oAY8z)

4 I don't trust these guys. They look shady.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:33 AM (oAY8z)

5 That is a nice piece.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 27, 2017 09:33 AM (0tfLf)

6 Master boaters, all.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 27, 2017 09:36 AM (M5NPS)

7 Top 10.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 09:36 AM (O7MnT)

8 that was my first fisting in a long time!

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:36 AM (oAY8z)

9 Dragging for corpses...

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 09:38 AM (r/0kC)

10 Which one is Tom Sawyer and which one is Huck Finn....?

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 27, 2017 09:38 AM (eytER)

11 Early Guns N' Roses

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 27, 2017 09:38 AM (FZYNt)

12 Looks like steam power is about to overtake them.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 27, 2017 09:38 AM (0tfLf)

13
Sooooo..... this painting floats your boat eh??

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 09:39 AM (8XRCm)

14 Famous canoe accident.

Posted by: fly gal at March 27, 2017 09:39 AM (Z88Jg)

15 Ghost @8.
Did you spell that right?

Posted by: Diogenes at March 27, 2017 09:39 AM (0tfLf)

16 We sold sold out on American Inovation.
Next week we will be having fire SALES SALES on EU Outreach!!!

Posted by: Czar's 'R' Us at March 27, 2017 09:39 AM (fqERy)

17 Three Dog Night?

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 09:41 AM (uLuPn)

18 So basically it's the highway department paradigm: two guys sitting around while another guy does the actual work. Good to know that that's a time-honored method.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 09:42 AM (RD7QR)

19 8
that was my first fisting in a long time!

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:36 AM (oAY8z)

Call me.

Posted by: Jared Fogle of Subway at March 27, 2017 09:42 AM (jxbfJ)

20 Don't pay the ferryman!

Posted by: Chris de Burgh at March 27, 2017 09:42 AM (qojq3)

21 Ahhh. The old "Missouri Boat Ride" gambit!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 09:42 AM (DfQBn)

22 Huma giving the Weiner another chance?

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/260932/

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 09:43 AM (r/0kC)

23 These guys don't mansplain.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 09:43 AM (uLuPn)

24 Dude on the port side is sitting on one big depth charge.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 27, 2017 09:43 AM (fqERy)

25 The Missouri is no Columbia.

Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 09:43 AM (T1Co2)

26 Very yawn inspiring.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 27, 2017 09:43 AM (eDqwv)

27 10 Which one is Tom Sawyer and which one is Huck Finn....?
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks

A modern day warrior
Mean, mean stride
Today's Tom Sawyer
Mean, mean pride

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 27, 2017 09:43 AM (FZYNt)

28 8 that was my first fisting in a long time!
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:36 AM (oAY8z)

I'm hoping that wasn't actual TMI.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 09:43 AM (RD7QR)

29 Huma and Anthony don't want to have to testify against each other.

They should be charged with RICO.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 09:44 AM (uLuPn)

30 Reminds me of how the Freedom Caucus feels - stranded on a boat. Sold down the river once again by the establishment.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 27, 2017 09:44 AM (jxbfJ)

31 Those guys have a decent amount of wood...must be early morning.

Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 09:44 AM (T1Co2)

32 the Rockefeller's are still a bunch of greedy, door-slamming, hypocritical, progressive a-holes.

Posted by: Shoey at March 27, 2017 09:44 AM (OYK2S)

33 Rockafellas in the boat.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 09:45 AM (uLuPn)

34 I was actually going to suggest this painting a couple of weeks ago, CBD. I had come across it while reading a basic American history book.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 09:45 AM (X6fMO)

35
that was my first fisting in a long time!

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:36 AM

TMI, dude...TMI.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 27, 2017 09:45 AM (p+Wdc)

36 Nice painting. Don't no why I love it like I do....

Posted by: David Byrne at March 27, 2017 09:45 AM (qojq3)

37 Didn't the WPA (or whatever it was called) support art. Post offices and other public buildings around the country had paintings, some which were good, or at least interesting for the time.

Posted by: Colin at March 27, 2017 09:45 AM (odQZE)

38 that was my first fisting in a long time!

You never forget your first.

Posted by: Hope Solo's Globetrotting Squeakhole at March 27, 2017 09:46 AM (X6fMO)

39

Al Cisi meeting with Ronald Lauder, head of the American Jewish Congress . Very interesting

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 09:46 AM (D1AgW)

40 Boy, these faces aren't turning out well.

Think I'll just put a big black shadow across the last fella's face.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 27, 2017 09:47 AM (OVUYQ)

41 A guy on the radio this morning put this whole Huma/Weiner thing into context....

If she's wanting to work on the marriage, if she sees hope there, if she wants this relationship to survive...why'd she leave him? Because the campaign told her to? And if she is really sincere in her desire for the marriage to work, why'd she let the campaign tell her what to do?

I guess to ask the question is to answer it.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 27, 2017 09:47 AM (eytER)

42 At least they're not wearing leggings..so to speak.

Posted by: United Airlines at March 27, 2017 09:47 AM (fqERy)

43

Al Cisi looking to make some big moves. I think the Gaza issue will be resolved shortly

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 09:47 AM (D1AgW)

44 >>. Post offices and other public buildings around the country had paintings, some which were good, or at least interesting for the time.

Some of it Communist propoganda!

Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 09:47 AM (T1Co2)

45 34 I was actually going to suggest this painting a couple of weeks ago, CBD. I had come across it while reading a basic American history book.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 09:45 AM (X6fMO)

=====================

Tangential jumping off point!

So, reading Sandburg's biography of Lincoln, and I'm right at the end of Volume 3. The Civil War is kicking in and, to very little surprise, the battles are not getting huge descriptions.

And yet, the book is whetting my appetite for more.

So, recommendations for a book on a military history of the Civil War?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (mC1ZI)

46 The sniper's right by the shoreli...

*pink mist*
*thud*

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (VuJJJ)

47 I dont think anybody wants an independent Gaza with Hamas/ISIS leadership

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (D1AgW)

48 Obamacare is like the 6 hour old, 900 comment thread and Ryan is the comment that gets willowed an hour after the nood comes up.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (KUaJL)

49 This is a good piece and about sums up my feelings on the Obamacare repeal fiasco.

https://amgreatness.com/2017/03/26/art-possible-age-recrimination/

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (r/0kC)

50 41 A guy on the radio this morning put this whole Huma/Weiner thing into context....

If she's wanting to work on the marriage, if she sees hope there, if she wants this relationship to survive...why'd she leave him? Because the campaign told her to? And if she is really sincere in her desire for the marriage to work, why'd she let the campaign tell her what to do?

I guess to ask the question is to answer it.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks

After a few years of maintaining Hillary's crusty garden she misses the big wiener

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (FZYNt)

51 Rockafellas in the boat.

"Cinderella Rockefella:"

http://tinyurl.com/kmjmwm6

Posted by: Hope Solo's Globetrotting Squeakhole at March 27, 2017 09:49 AM (X6fMO)

52 I'm on a boat!

Posted by: Justin Timberlake at March 27, 2017 09:50 AM (2z74n)

53 The idea that the bill wasn't sufficiently conservative to pass is a gross over simplification. This congress is beyond dysfunctional and many congressmen are either actively or secretly opposed to Trump on both sides of the isle. To me, the strangest part of the story was DT insisting on a vote. I wonder what really happened?

Posted by: Max Power at March 27, 2017 09:50 AM (QCc6B)

54 Al Cisi looking to make some big moves. I think the Gaza issue will be resolved shortly
Posted by: ThunderB

Interesting. It's as if there was a change in US administrations or something.

Posted by: $5 says that he dies screaming at March 27, 2017 09:50 AM (326rv)

55 Identifiable people? Distinct landscapes? Broad color palette? What is this shit?

Posted by: Rothko at March 27, 2017 09:50 AM (VuJJJ)

56 I dont think anybody wants an independent Gaza with Hamas/ISIS leadership
Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (D1AgW

But that would be the consequences of Left Wing Policies from The Left and very popular on American College Campuses

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 09:50 AM (KlI/a)

57 I always say 'Fist!'. That way, if I'm not actually first it just looks like I'm fisting the person before me.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:51 AM (oAY8z)

58 Pikers.

Posted by: Serious Sean Penn at March 27, 2017 09:51 AM (fqERy)

59 Al Cisi looking to make some big moves. I think the Gaza issue will be resolved shortly
Posted by: ThunderB

And how will he do that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 09:51 AM (KlI/a)

60 53 The idea that the bill wasn't sufficiently conservative to pass is a gross over simplification. This congress is beyond dysfunctional and many congressmen are either actively or secretly opposed to Trump on both sides of the isle. To me, the strangest part of the story was DT insisting on a vote. I wonder what really happened?
Posted by: Max Power at March 27, 2017 09:50 AM (QCc6B)

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No, what's weirder, is Ryan acquiescing to Trump's demand.

I swear.

That's the one thing that bothers me most about D.C.. The legislature is, in several key ways, the single most powerful branch of the three, but it currently refuses to even accept the idea of that fact.

I understand the reality of party politics, but at some point, a Speaker of the House has to learn to say, "POTUS, shut up. This is my job. You go do yours."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 09:52 AM (mC1ZI)

61 I can see the SEAL team in the water behind the boat.

Posted by: Strobe at March 27, 2017 09:52 AM (gbWkA)

62 Obamas' hack gets a gig on NBC.

http://thehill.com/media/325874-nbc-news-signs-former-white-house-press-secretary-josh-earnest

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 09:52 AM (O7MnT)

63 So, recommendations for a book on a military history of the Civil War?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (mC1ZI)

Shelby Foote's 3-volume The Civil War is a long, long slog, but I enjoyed it. You can get a taste of his prose style with an excerpt, Stars in Their Courses: The Gettysburg Campaign:

http://tinyurl.com/lmhj8z6

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 09:52 AM (X6fMO)

64

Al Cisi may think he can get rid of an existential threat and get some US cash to upgrade his hardware

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 09:53 AM (D1AgW)

65 reminds me of when big zwey gutted that guy after he looked at elmira

Posted by: concrete girl at March 27, 2017 09:53 AM (fZXYQ)

66 This must be a government sponsored boat. Only one guy is working.

Posted by: Strobe at March 27, 2017 09:53 AM (gbWkA)

67 CINDERELLA UNDERCOVER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-vgRRc24RE

Posted by: Oingo Boingo at March 27, 2017 09:53 AM (T1Co2)

68 63
Shelby Foote's 3-volume The Civil War is a long, long slog, but I enjoyed it. You can get a taste of his prose style with an excerpt, Stars in Their Courses: The Gettysburg Campaign:

http://tinyurl.com/lmhj8z6
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 09:52 AM (X6fMO)

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3 volume slog through intricate details of history?

Right down my alley.

Thanks!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 09:54 AM (mC1ZI)

69

Al Cisi is a military dictator. He can "fix" Gaza in the traditional way

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 09:54 AM (D1AgW)

70 I find Bingham's figures to be a bit stiff, not bad, just not animated. But I love the detail in the clothing, buildings, boats and other items. And his color use is gorgeous (look at some of his skies) and appropriate (look at the wooden boat, stone and brick in buildings, and the color used in peoples' clothing). The boat in today's painting is detailed enough that I feel I could see how it was assembled if I looked long enough. As CBD said, Bingham's work may not be great art but it is interesting and enjoyable.

BTW CBD, I got one of the Carl Larrson Kindle books after last week's example. Page after page of very pleasant paintings that really capture the feel of comfortable (not lavish) family life in Scandinavia. It is thoroughly enjoyable Thanks for introducing me to Larrson the artist.

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 09:54 AM (V+03K)

71 63 So, recommendations for a book on a military history of the Civil War?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (mC1ZI)

Shelby Foote's 3-volume The Civil War is a long, long slog, but I enjoyed it. You can get a taste of his prose style with an excerpt, Stars in Their Courses: The Gettysburg Campaign:

http://tinyurl.com/lmhj8z6
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 09:52 AM (X6fMO)

He's probably the most well-known Civil War author, but yeah, his books are loooooong.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 09:54 AM (VuJJJ)

72 Mazen Fuqha, a senior member of Hamas' military wing, was shot four times in the head in Gaza City near his home on March 24 by two men who used a pistol with a silencer. Fuqha had operated a cell that carried out a suicide bombing of a bus in 2002 that killed nine Israelis and injured 40 others. He was sentenced to nine life terms before his release in the Shalit deal in 2011.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (rF0hx)

73 >>To me, the strangest part of the story was DT insisting on a vote. I wonder what really happened?

He had to. Whatever the decision, a vote pretty much had to be done because of the legislative timing and the other things in the pipeline.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (/tuJf)

74 66 This must be a government sponsored boat. Only one guy is working.
Posted by: Strobe at March 27, 2017 09:53 AM (gbWkA)

Union.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (VuJJJ)

75 Looks like a relatively easy job, what does it pay?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (7ZVPa)

76 62 Totally non partisan and without bias,they are.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (r/0kC)

77 Some uplifting mornings news: Super massive Black Hole racing through space at 5 Millon MPH.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (fqERy)

78 71 He's probably the most well-known Civil War author, but yeah, his books are loooooong.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 09:54 AM (VuJJJ)

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The only detailed history of the Civil War in any capacity I've read up to this point is Bud Robertson's biography of Stonewall Jackson.

It almost made me cry.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (mC1ZI)

79 I understand the reality of party politics, but at some point, a Speaker of the House has to learn to say, "POTUS, shut up. This is my job. You go do yours."

Well, on the other hand there's a lot to be said for executive support and lobbying, especially when it comes to putting pressure on individual members. It's not unheard of and I don't think it's out of bounds.

Though really, having Trump push this bill in the first place was a mistake for him, I think. For all we know, Ryan may have insisted on Trump's involvement as a strategic thing.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (eytER)

80

The worst of the worst, the most radical in Egypt, have moved to Sinai and Gaza. All in one place

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 09:56 AM (D1AgW)

81 Al Cisi is a military dictator. He can "fix" Gaza in the traditional way
Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 09:54 AM (D1AgW)

Fine with me, but ya know after he "Fixes" it that way it will be Israel's Fault

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 09:57 AM (KlI/a)

82 79 Well, on the other hand there's a lot to be said for executive support and lobbying, especially when it comes to putting pressure on individual members. It's not unheard of and I don't think it's out of bounds.

Though really, having Trump push this bill in the first place was a mistake for him, I think. For all we know, Ryan may have insisted on Trump's involvement as a strategic thing.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (eytER)

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I wish executives were a bit less obvious about it. But since patronage isn't really a thing anymore, I guess they have to be open about it.

Oh well, it's what happens when a delegator trusts the wrong managers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 09:57 AM (mC1ZI)

83 This is a good piece and about sums up my feelings on the Obamacare repeal fiasco.

https://amgreatness.com/2017/03/26/art-possible-age-recrimination/
Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 09:48 AM (r/0kC)

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Best line of the article:

"Trump just had one of the best days any president ever had: He got promoted from Hitler to incompetent"

But Im STILL pissed.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 09:57 AM (8XRCm)

84 The worst of the worst, the most radical in Egypt, have moved to Sinai and Gaza. All in one place

Target rich environment

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 09:57 AM (uLuPn)

85 The worst of the worst, the most radical in Egypt, have moved to Sinai and Gaza. All in one place

Bombs Away

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 09:58 AM (uLuPn)

86 I like this picture. Water, trees, clouds for me to yell at. Looks very peaceful.

Peaceful is nice.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 09:58 AM (sBOL1)

87 >>Shelby Foote's 3-volume The Civil War is a long,
long slog, but I enjoyed it. Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 09:54 AM (VuJJJ)

Good, good stuff. He gives the often-neglected West front more attention than many. Lent the trilogy to a friend who moved with it. Grr.

Posted by: General Zod at March 27, 2017 09:59 AM (Bdeb0)

88 The Gaza leadership is being assassinated, one by one

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 09:59 AM (D1AgW)

89 Some uplifting mornings news: Super massive Black Hole racing through space at 5 Millon MPH.

Now witness the firepower of the fully armed and operational cooter station!

Posted by: Empress Flukeatine at March 27, 2017 09:59 AM (87y4e)

90 How deep a hole is that guy shoveling on that boat?

Posted by: davidt at March 27, 2017 10:00 AM (XoldI)

91 Ha H Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (rF0hx)

They could have given him one in the junk, too, as a gesture of comity.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 27, 2017 10:00 AM (WDdjT)

92 >>Target rich environment

I want to see nice tight bomb patterns, Boys!

Posted by: Colonel Cathcart at March 27, 2017 10:00 AM (T1Co2)

93 Don't look now fellers, but there's a Union Gunboat coming up behind you.

Posted by: Strobe at March 27, 2017 10:00 AM (gbWkA)

94 86 I like this picture. Water, trees, clouds for me to yell at. Looks very peaceful.

Peaceful is nice.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 09:58 AM (sBOL1)

For when they shall say "peace and safety," then sudden destruction cometh upon them.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:01 AM (VuJJJ)

95
Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn and .......... Abe Lincoln??

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:01 AM (8XRCm)

96
Henry Hill, Jimmy Conway and Tommy DeVito dumping bodies. Goodfellas the very early years

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 10:02 AM (493sH)

97 >> Don't look now fellers, but there's a Union Gunboat coming up behind you.

If that was the Hudson, that Steamer would be a lot smaller and filled with corn.

Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 10:02 AM (T1Co2)

98 95
Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn and .......... Abe Lincoln??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:01 AM (8XRCm)

Wigger Jim

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:02 AM (VuJJJ)

99 Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn and .......... Abe Lincoln??

All that's missing are the MAGA hats.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 10:03 AM (uLuPn)

100 Wigger Jim
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:02 AM (VuJJJ)

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**coffee out my nose**

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:03 AM (8XRCm)

101 For when they shall say "peace and safety," then sudden destruction cometh upon them.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:01 AM (VuJJJ)
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Thanks, pal. I'll go back to yelling at clouds.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 10:03 AM (sBOL1)

102 >>> Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn and .......... Abe Lincoln??

Cant be. He's not wearing his MAGA ball cap.

Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2017 10:03 AM (jw2Xw)

103 Day before yesterday the bigger tunnels were bombed from the air by the IDF, smart bombs

Yesterday the head of Hamas was killed by assasins that came to his home from the sea. Which is interesting. Since there is a blockade from the sea

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:03 AM (D1AgW)

104
92 >>Target rich environment

I want to see nice tight bomb patterns, Boys!

Posted by: Colonel Cathcart at March 27, 2017 10:00 AM (T1Co2)

Not to worry, B52 carpet bombing is extremely accurate. The bombs ALWAYS hit the ground.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 27, 2017 10:04 AM (XWkhW)

105 Lived near the Missouri almost all of my life (can't quite see the river itself from our current house but we can see the Iowa side), and what a lot of people don't know is how yuuuuuuge it is. We were in Sioux City this weekend, and one of the bridges has a flood gauge on it. It was currently at 4.5 meters, so nowhere near flood stage, but that is still a LOT of water. The I-80 bridge between Nebraska and Iowa is insanely high for a reason.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 27, 2017 10:04 AM (ar2KI)

106

And not a peep from al Cisi

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:04 AM (D1AgW)

107 I will take privately funded art any day of the week over the work product of the current crop of lazy, self-indulgent, narcissistic, talentless drones whose only skill is sticking a thumb in the eye of Western culture.

Tell us what you really think.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 27, 2017 10:04 AM (QQ+il)

108 Thanks for introducing me to Larrson the artist.

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 09:54 AM (V+03K)

Thank grammie winger....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 27, 2017 10:04 AM (rF0hx)

109 "I will take privately funded art any day of the week over the work
product of the current crop of lazy, self-indulgent, narcissistic,
talentless drones whose only skill is sticking a thumb in the eye of
Western culture."

What happens when those once privately run Rockefeller Foundation and the Ford Foundation are run by Leftists hacks?

Posted by: Wendy at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (bpemY)

110 Illinois lawmakers see marijuana legalization as gateway to fiscal boost

FOX NEWS

Yeah, because Casino Money worked such wonders in NJ?
LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (KlI/a)

111 Thanks, pal. I'll go back to yelling at clouds.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 10:03 AM (sBOL1)

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Pssssssst

*whispers* . . . "they cant hear you"

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (8XRCm)

112
97 >> Don't look now fellers, but there's a Union Gunboat coming up behind you.

If that was the Hudson, that Steamer would be a lot smaller and filled with corn.

Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 10:02 AM (T1Co2)

As long as it didn't sail down from Cleveland......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (XWkhW)

113 Hey Pookie, I grew up in Sioux City, graduated in the last graduating class of Central High School

I'm a Little Maroon.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (uLuPn)

114 101 For when they shall say "peace and safety," then sudden destruction cometh upon them.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:01 AM (VuJJJ)
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Thanks, pal. I'll go back to yelling at clouds.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 10:03 AM (sBOL1)

I got more. The Bible is a great source for depressing quotes

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (VuJJJ)

115 The only detailed history of the Civil War in any capacity I've read up to this point is Bud Robertson's biography of Stonewall Jackson.

It almost made me cry.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (mC1ZI)

It's not a Civil War history as such, but Tony Horowitz' Confederates in the Attic is another book I liked. Horowitz, a (spit!) journalist, is inspired to rekindle his childhood fascination with the Late Unpleasantness when a documentary is being shot near his property. He enters the world of reenactors, does a slam-bang battlefield "Civil Wargasm" tour with a hardcore reenactor named Robert Lee Hodges and then tours parts of the South himself, trying to see how far the War remains in the psyche.

Along the way, of course, he runs into racism, PC nonsense and deliberate public school ignorance - and all of this before the dog-eating crackhead poisoned race relations beyond repair.

An interesting book, but depressing as hell by the end:

http://tinyurl.com/n75bk2b

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (X6fMO)

116 . The Bible is a great source for depressing quotes
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (VuJJJ)

So is the Congressional Record

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (KlI/a)

117 Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:03 AM (D1AgW)

See #72

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (rF0hx)

118 68 ... MP4 and TJM, I love Shelby Foote's 3 volume Civil War history. I have them in hardcover and have given several sets as gifts. They are a narrative, not a text book. If you want tons of foot notes (no pun intended) and an extensive bibliography, look elsewhere. But for a narrated approach, it's great.

Trivia: Foote wrote every word of the series long hand using a dip pen. If I recall, the pen nib was a Probate 313, still available. Also, Foote was a gentleman. I spoke to him on the phone once, calling to thank him for his writing and how he enhanced the Ken Burns PBS series. (I believe this happened to him all the time.) He was gracious at the interruption of his day. And yes, he really did have that refined drawl you heard on TV.

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (V+03K)

119 110 Illinois lawmakers see marijuana legalization as gateway to fiscal boost

FOX NEWS

Yeah, because Casino Money worked such wonders in NJ?
LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (KlI/a)

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They'll pass it, along with hundreds of millions of dollars in new spending, receipts will come in below expectations.

How can they not predict this? I'm just some nobody and I can see this coming.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (mC1ZI)

120
"I will take privately funded art any day of the week over the work
product of the current crop of lazy, self-indulgent, narcissistic,
talentless drones whose only skill is sticking a thumb in the eye of
Western culture."

What happens when those once privately run Rockefeller Foundation and the Ford Foundation are run by Leftists hacks?

Posted by: Wendy at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (bpemY)

When?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 27, 2017 10:07 AM (XWkhW)

121 110 Yeah,casinos used to be the last hope of dying states but now there is weed!

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 10:07 AM (r/0kC)

122 What happens when those once privately run Rockefeller Foundation and the Ford Foundation are run by Leftists hacks?

Posted by: Wendy at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (bpemY)

Then you get shitty art, or funding of left-wing activists, instead. Oh, wait...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 27, 2017 10:07 AM (WDdjT)

123 Get off the cooler, retard. I want another beer!

Posted by: The other two guys in the boat at March 27, 2017 10:07 AM (ivHkJ)

124

All that going on in Gaza, which is Egypt, and not a peep

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:07 AM (D1AgW)

125 116 . The Bible is a great source for depressing quotes
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (VuJJJ)

So is the Congressional Record
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (KlI/a)

True, but only one of these also contains a message of hope...

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:07 AM (VuJJJ)

126 Muldoon's book is on sale this week for only a dollar!

Link in nic

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 27, 2017 10:08 AM (Om16U)

127 Nice painting. Lived in Cincy for a while. Some lazy days just enjoyed watching the barges just moving with the Ohio River current.

Oh yea... puffy shirts.

Posted by: A Lurker at March 27, 2017 10:09 AM (3g9Il)

128 115 It's not a Civil War history as such, but Tony Horowitz' Confederates in the Attic is another book I liked. Horowitz, a (spit!) journalist, is inspired to rekindle his childhood fascination with the Late Unpleasantness when a documentary is being shot near his property. He enters the world of reenactors, does a slam-bang battlefield "Civil Wargasm" tour with a hardcore reenactor named Robert Lee Hodges and then tours parts of the South himself, trying to see how far the War remains in the psyche.

Along the way, of course, he runs into racism, PC nonsense and deliberate public school ignorance - and all of this before the dog-eating crackhead poisoned race relations beyond repair.

An interesting book, but depressing as hell by the end:

http://tinyurl.com/n75bk2b

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (X6fMO)

====================

I have added it to the Amazon Wish List.

Certainly looks interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:09 AM (mC1ZI)

129

Pretty sure Al Sisi and Bibi fixing to do some house cleaning in Gaza

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:09 AM (D1AgW)

130 118 ... MP4 and TJM, I love Shelby Foote's 3 volume Civil War history. I have them in hardcover and have given several sets as gifts. They are a narrative, not a text book. If you want tons of foot notes (no pun intended) and an extensive bibliography, look elsewhere. But for a narrated approach, it's great.

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (V+03K)

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You know...you could gift one my way...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:09 AM (mC1ZI)

131 they're all thinking about a "motorboat" ....

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 27, 2017 10:09 AM (0O7c5)

132 An interesting book, but depressing as hell by the end:

Isn't everything?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:10 AM (VuJJJ)

133 82 79 Well, on the other hand there's a lot to be said for executive support and lobbying, especially when it comes to putting pressure on individual members. It's not unheard of and I don't think it's out of bounds.

Though really, having Trump push this bill in the first place was a mistake for him, I think. For all we know, Ryan may have insisted on Trump's involvement as a strategic thing.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 27, 2017 09:55 AM (eytER)

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I wish executives were a bit less obvious about it. But since patronage isn't really a thing anymore, I guess they have to be open about it.

Oh well, it's what happens when a delegator trusts the wrong managers.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 09:57 AM (mC1ZI)

Trump assumed Ryan was on his side and delegated to him. Ryan assumed that Trump knew that Ryan had his own agenda. They talked past each other and then got caught up in a procedural trap. My guess is that they let Ocare collapse and take it up again in the autumn.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 10:10 AM (RD7QR)

134 Hey Pookie, I grew up in Sioux City, graduated in the last graduating class of Central High School

I'm a Little Maroon.
Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 10:05 AM (uLuPn)

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You are an old fart.

Went to college in Sioux City.. Met Mrs Fixxer there.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:10 AM (8XRCm)

135 124

All that going on in Gaza, which is Egypt, and not a peep
Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:07 AM (D1AgW)

No, Sinai is a part of Egypt. Gaza is still nominally a part of the Palestinian Authority.

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 10:10 AM (7HtZB)

136 Wait. Isn't that Mark Meadows in the middle shoveling more bullshit?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 27, 2017 10:11 AM (9IM0p)

137 Yeah,casinos used to be the last hope of dying states but now there is weed!

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 10:07 AM (r/0kC)

Don't forget the legal brothels!

Posted by: Nevada at March 27, 2017 10:11 AM (WDdjT)

138 All that's missing are the MAGA hats.
Posted by: ALH�

Did painters use Photoshop back then?

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at March 27, 2017 10:11 AM (ZFUt7)

139 What I'm hearing now is that this class of Congress can't legislate itself out of a brown paper bag.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 27, 2017 10:11 AM (Om16U)

140 Had really bad dreams last night and they're really bothering me. It wasn't that what was going on per se was horrifying in the expected sense, but what it signified upon the slightest reflection that was really disturbing.

Even my fucking subconscience hates me.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (VuJJJ)

141 >>A guy on the radio this morning put this whole Huma/Weiner thing into context....

Huma is Hillary's mini-me, so she's modeling her marriage after Bill 'n Hill's: can't be forced to testify against your spouse.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (NOIQH)

142 What I'm hearing now is that this class of Congress can't legislate itself out of a brown paper bag.

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Yes they can.

They just arent going to give Trump any wins.

It's intentional.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (8XRCm)

143 http://bit.ly/2n9Weo3
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Paul Ryan's bait-and-switch Obamacare promise

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (y3aQB)

144 You are an old fart.

Went to college in Sioux City.. Met Mrs Fixxer there.

I went to Briar Cliff.

I'm not old, 61.95 is the new 40.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (uLuPn)

145 Even my fucking subconscience hates me.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (VuJJJ)

Mine will not talk to me anymore?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (KlI/a)

146 139 What I'm hearing now is that this class of Congress can't legislate itself out of a brown paper bag.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 27, 2017 10:11 AM (Om16U)

Speaking of brown paper bags...I could go for a forty right about now.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (VuJJJ)

147 133 My guess is that they let Ocare collapse and take it up again in the autumn.
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 10:10 AM (RD7QR)

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Those treating this as the end of all ACA fixes (either explicitly or implicitly) are foolish.

This is going to come up again. Democrats still won't want to repeal it meaning that Republicans are going to have to do it all themselves.

The HFC has stretched its muscles and will be listened to next time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (mC1ZI)

148

Fattah runs the West Bank

Hamas runs Gaza. Hamas is an acronym for Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt in Palestine. Gaza is stuffed with radical Egyptians now

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (D1AgW)

149 I went to Briar Cliff.

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Sorry.

Chief here.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (8XRCm)

150 Three little men in a boat?

Is this the return of the female orgasm thread?

Posted by: Damiano at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (Mq0tM)

151 There is a line from Heinlein, I think from "Stranger in a Strange Land": "A government supported artist is an incompetent whore." Pretty sure it was said by Jubal Harshaw.

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (V+03K)

152 The link is brighter and sharper. The amount of cottonwood on the shore and the fluff on the river makes my nose start to itch.

Big shirts, smocked sleeves, I keep hoping that look will come back.

Very nice, placid composition. I do wonder why they are hauling stovewood. Not enough there to really satisfy one of the side wheelers, and if I had only brought that much home for a day of work I'd be asked how much time we spent drinking coffee.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (0hI48)

153 >>Trump assumed Ryan was on his side and delegated to him. Ryan assumed that Trump knew that Ryan had his own agenda. They talked past each other and then got caught up in a procedural trap. My guess is that they let Ocare collapse and take it up again in the autumn.

Possible. On the other hand, Trump just might not be an idiot and knew exactly what was in the bill and understood the process and was in favor or it.

For weeks, all I've heard from the true conservatives is that this bill should be killed. So they did. Not much of a mystery.

I don't for a second by the 5th dimensional chess argument. This was just a plain old defeat because some people wouldn't support the bill. Nothing more complicated than that.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (/tuJf)

154

Did painters use Photoshop back then?

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton

Please run for office. Please please please.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 10:15 AM (uLuPn)

155 Lived near the Missouri almost all of my life (can't quite see the river itself from our current house but we can see the Iowa side), and what a lot of people don't know is how yuuuuuuge it is. We were in Sioux City this weekend, and one of the bridges has a flood gauge on it. It was currently at 4.5 meters, so nowhere near flood stage, but that is still a LOT of water. The I-80 bridge between Nebraska and Iowa is insanely high for a reason.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 27, 2017 10:04 AM (ar2KI)

The Missouri and Mississippi are, in my mind, one river. Two forks of the Great American River.

I mentioned this a while back, an article published recently about the vehicles that go missing in the river. They just vanish! If they're observed going in, there's almost no chance of recovery UNLESS it is located almost immediately, and then it has to be marked somehow to keep it from drifting away, down and into the mud.

No one has any idea how many vehicles are in there. Dozens? Hundreds? Buried where?

Sometimes even boats disappear. Big, honking metal shells that just lay down and disappear in the murky darkness.

Yes, if you don't realize how big these rivers are, you have no idea.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:15 AM (TOk1P)

156 145 Even my fucking subconscience hates me.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (VuJJJ)

Mine will not talk to me anymore?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (KlI/a)

Heh.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:15 AM (VuJJJ)

157
What I'm hearing now is that this class of Congress can't legislate itself out of a brown paper bag.
Posted by:�@votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale�

All we need is the House, Senate, the Presidency.

AND 60 actual republican Senators. Conservative Senators.

I'm sure we're just one election cycle away.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 10:15 AM (ZFUt7)

158
Dammit.

Now Ive got a hankering for a Charlie Boy and a schooner.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:15 AM (8XRCm)

159 44 >>. Post offices and other public buildings around the country had paintings, some which were good, or at least interesting for the time.

Some of it Communist propoganda!
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The WPA murals in Coit Tower are like that. What seems incongruous nowadays is that the 30s communist propaganda is energetically pro-industry and pro-raping-the-Earth.

What would they paint today? Everybody would be growing vegetables, I guess.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 27, 2017 10:15 AM (OVUYQ)

160 Som I have mentioned this a few times, but a couple of books: Scott Adams How to Fail at Everything... and The Happiness Advantage.

They go together oddly enough though they were not designed that way.

Easy enough to recommend someone pick up a book - over the internet I can't hand you a copy. But I would spring for the Scott Adams book if you want to read it - we can figure out how to get it to you.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2017 10:16 AM (tewYv)

161 They'll pass it, along with hundreds of millions of dollars in new spending, receipts will come in below expectations.

How can they not predict this? I'm just some nobody and I can see this coming.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (mC1ZI)

Illinois can't pay bills it already has so I'm sure the geniuses will start spending more money they don't have and never will

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 10:16 AM (493sH)

162 >>> What I'm hearing now is that this class of Congress can't legislate itself out of a brown paper bag.

The reason Republicans can't govern is they can't resolve their internal contradictions.

Most of them are statists; they ran as Republicans out of opportunism. Because they are from a red district and so they have to wear the Republican label, even though they are ideologically centrist Democrats.

But their voters don't want Democrat policies. So, theses RINO's can't vote for what they want. And they can't vote for what their constituents want.

So they end up trying to calibrate "what's the minimum amount of ground I can concede to those stupid people who voted for me and still get the Big Government that I *know* is in their best interest."

And that's why they can't accomplish anything.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:16 AM (O7MnT)

163 Hamas is part of Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:17 AM (D1AgW)

164 It's been 5 days since Schiff claimed he had hard proof that Trump was colluding with the Russians to swing the election.

Plus, where the heck is obama, this is the longest he has kept his mouth shut since hillary lost the election.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2017 10:17 AM (le7jz)

165 158
Dammit.

Now Ive got a hankering for a Charlie Boy and a schooner.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:15 AM (8XRCm)

Harry Reid, is that you?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:17 AM (VuJJJ)

166 Even my fucking subconscience hates me.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (VuJJJ)

Again, right there with ya.

Lots of dreams about failure. Can't even get laid in my dreams either. Once I get to that point, I wake up. Every freakin' time.

Posted by: Country Boy at March 27, 2017 10:17 AM (Jcg9Q)

167 ALH, I met my future husband (as did a lot of girls) at Unity CHS. Ah, the good old days of driving to Sioux City for Quiz Bowl matches and coming up with new terms for the 100+ point beatdowns we administered.....

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 27, 2017 10:17 AM (ar2KI)

168 >>>What would they paint today? Everybody would be growing vegetables, I guess.

Transgendered people sharing restrooms with Muslims while cheerful illegal immigrants sweep up after them.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:18 AM (O7MnT)

169 Fattah runs the West Bank

Hamas runs Gaza. Hamas is an acronym for Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt in Palestine. Gaza is stuffed with radical Egyptians now
Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (D1AgW)

yes but Fatah's grip on the West Bank is also slipping

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:18 AM (KlI/a)

170 . And yes, he really did have that refined drawl you heard on TV.
Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (V+03K)
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How cool is that! I just loved hearing him talk on that documentary. I love Southern drawls of all sorts.

Not to mention that he was smart and a good writer.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 10:18 AM (sBOL1)

171 I don't for a second by the 5th dimensional chess argument. This was just a plain old defeat because some people wouldn't support the bill. Nothing more complicated than that.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (/tuJf)

I agree. Trump didn't want this to fail.

But I also think he's not balled up in a corner crying about it. All this "its the end of his agenda" crap is just crap.

Bills pass, bills don't pass. That is why they vote on things.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2017 10:18 AM (tewYv)

172 For weeks, all I've heard from the true conservatives is that this bill should be killed. So they did.

That's my read. A significant slice of the Republican House didn't want the stink of OCare on them.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 27, 2017 10:18 AM (QQ+il)

173 Had really bad dreams last night and they're really bothering me. It wasn't that what was going on per se was horrifying in the expected sense, but what it signified upon the slightest reflection that was really disturbing.�Even my fucking subconscience hates me.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor

People tend to misinterpret dreams. For .05 cents - cheap - I'll reinterpret your dream for you into something less disturbing.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 10:19 AM (ZFUt7)

174 171 But I also think he's not balled up in a corner crying about it. All this "its the end of his agenda" crap is just crap.

Bills pass, bills don't pass. That is why they vote on things.
Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2017 10:18 AM (tewYv)

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Well, let's not get too hasty...

Can we imagine a Congress that doesn't pass a single law?

On a certain level that sounds like heaven.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:19 AM (mC1ZI)

175 Mo Dowd says in the NYT, PDT, you got played, and she is so right.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 27, 2017 10:20 AM (6ptq6)

176
People tend to misinterpret dreams. For .05 cents - cheap - I'll reinterpret your dream for you into something less disturbing.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 10:19 AM (ZFUt7)

last night I dreamed I was going to wake up and have to go to work...a real nightmare

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:20 AM (KlI/a)

177 Quiz Bowl!

Channel 2 broadcast that, right?

Good old days, watching Charles Harness deliver the news.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 10:20 AM (uLuPn)

178 I think Mo Dowd just wants PDT to grab her mish.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2017 10:21 AM (tewYv)

179 I don't for a second by the 5th dimensional chess argument. This was just a plain old defeat because some people wouldn't support the bill. Nothing more complicated than that.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (/tuJf)

I spent most of the past few weeks not taking a side with this thing. I don't have time to study Congressional bills, and even if I did I'm not an expert on healthcare delivery, so I really have no idea what should or should not be in a bill that is worth passing.

AND NEITHER DOES PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY ELSE!

This healthcare mess is not going to be solved in Washington. Which is why, the best result of all would be to kill this bill, kill the next one that comes along, and let the one that exists today collapse and die from inertia and overbloat.

That won't happen either, but if it did then perhaps a market solution could be had.

No, some way or another, Washington is going "fix" healthcare. I have no faith in any solution they come up with, and I don't care how it gets built and sold and passed.

This is what I find mystifying: that people who otherwise talk about wanting smaller government aren't shouting from the rooftops that Washington should be forced out of this conversation.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:21 AM (TOk1P)

180 >>But I also think he's not balled up in a corner crying about it. All this "its the end of his agenda" crap is just crap.

Yea, he's moving on. But this defeat will have a ripple effect on other parts of the agenda.

It might be time for a beer summit to get everyone on the same page.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:21 AM (/tuJf)

181 >>>Had really bad dreams last night and they're really bothering me

I dreamed I was hanging out in San Francisco with some friends (except SFO in my dream was like some high-tech city-of-the-future and not a filthy shithole filled with aggressive, urine-scented vagrants.) For some reason, I had a wax statue of John McCain, which came to life after I accidentally broke it in half.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:21 AM (O7MnT)

182 Lots of dreams about failure. Can't even get laid in my dreams either. Once I get to that point, I wake up. Every freakin' time.
Posted by: Country Boy at March 27, 2017 10:17 AM (Jcg9Q)

Yeah. Failure, loneliness, rejection, humiliation, hopelessness, abandonment...these are the recurring themes.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:21 AM (VuJJJ)

183 I remember when Hillarycare failed to pass at the start of Clinton's term and the great collapse in faith and the markets that followed. Actually I don't. But now a Republican is President so of course modern western society is hanging in the balance.

Posted by: Charley Horse at March 27, 2017 10:22 AM (+kahX)

184 What's exhausting is constantly second guessing the "news" trying to figure out what's really going on.

Posted by: Max Power at March 27, 2017 10:22 AM (QCc6B)

185 130 ... "You know...you could gift one my way..".
TJM,
LOL.

I would if I had a spare copy. If you pursue the series, check at a used book store. Chances are it will have an inexpensive set of the paperbacks.

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 10:22 AM (V+03K)

186 It might be time for a beer summit to get everyone on the same page.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:21 AM (/tuJf)
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Trump wine summit, please. Beer summits are so last administration.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 10:22 AM (sBOL1)

187 164 It's been 5 days since Schiff claimed he had hard proof that Trump was colluding with the Russians to swing the election.

Plus, where the heck is obama, this is the longest he has kept his mouth shut since hillary lost the election.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2017 10:17 AM (le7jz)

They're both blowing: Schiff is blowing smoke and Bambi is blowing Reggie.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 10:23 AM (RD7QR)

188 I dreamed I was hanging out in San Francisco with some friends (except SFO in my dream was like some high-tech city-of-the-future and not a filthy shithole filled with aggressive, urine-scented vagrants.) For some reason, I had a wax statue of John McCain, which came to life after I accidentally broke it in half.
Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:21 AM (O7MnT)

McCain? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:23 AM (VuJJJ)

189 179 This is what I find mystifying: that people who otherwise talk about wanting smaller government aren't shouting from the rooftops that Washington should be forced out of this conversation.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:21 AM (TOk1P)

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Well, because of the ACA (and the 70 year history of the federal government inserting itself into healthcare), it's the feds that have to pull back themselves.

Unless you want to organize a constitutional convention where the states pass an amendment that forbids the federal government from doing anything that's not enumerated in the constitution.

We could call it: "The 10th Amendment Part II: This Time We Mean It".

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:23 AM (mC1ZI)

190 I think Mo Dowd just wants PDT to grab her mish.

Well, she would probably let him, and then brag about it later.

She's really a groupie for famous men who want nothing to do with her. Patterns repeat, and all that.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2017 10:24 AM (uLuPn)

191 If RyanCare couldn't pass the House with a strong majority how was it ever going to get approved by the Senate?

OCare won't be dealt with until it's a crisis. People losing coverage because there is none to be had. States going broke

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 10:24 AM (8RTTd)

192 Yea, he's moving on. But this defeat will have a ripple effect on other parts of the agenda.
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The whole business was depressing. A nice dose of Vitamin Mulvaney would really hit the spot this week.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 27, 2017 10:24 AM (OVUYQ)

193 David Gergen thinks President Trump has had the worst first 100 days of ANY president??

I would beg to differ....

Posted by: William Henry Harrison at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (7uYFy)

194 Fattah runs the West Bank

Hamas runs Gaza. Hamas is an acronym for Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt in Palestine. Gaza is stuffed with radical Egyptians now
Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (D1AgW)

I missed responding to your comment about al Sisi and Bibi doing a cleanup on Gaza. Do you think that'll be soon?

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (RD7QR)

195 Even my fucking subconscience hates me.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:13 AM (VuJJJ)

Heh.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (rF0hx)

196 Art, religion, philosophy, science, education, prose, poetry etc. all existed before gov't.

Posted by: Locke Common at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (YCQah)

197 last night I dreamed I was going to wake up and have to go to work...a real nightmare
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:20 AM (KlI/a)

I would sometimes have extremely literal dreams about being at work and working on a project that was actually pending in real life. I actually came up with a couple of good ideas too.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (VuJJJ)

198 insomniac

(mother mode on) you have to stop being so hard on yourself....you are better than who you think you are....and you are loved....now start acting like it or i'm going to have slap you around....(mother mode off)

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (0O7c5)

199 For weeks, all I've heard from the true conservatives is that this bill should be killed. So they did. Not much of a mystery.

I don't for a second by the 5th dimensional chess argument. This was just a plain old defeat because some people wouldn't support the bill. Nothing more complicated than that.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:14 AM (/tuJf)

Agree. Too many posters on here live in some movie or gaming world and try to assign mystical powers to Trump that he doesn't have.

I think Trump understood that this bill was going to repeal what it could through reconciliation and he then felt that the next two stages would be negotiated and passed within a year or two.

I believe Trump knows now that he is dealing with a party that he reluctantly belongs (don't you all remember the threats from him to do whatever he had to during the campaign regarding the non support, the actual threats from the RNC of pulling funding, the real Never Trumpers all running around screaming the sky is falling, how Ryan went ballistic over pussygate, etc.). Trump has now gotten to see who is adhering to their campaign rhetoric and believes in what they say and those who just tell their constituents anything to get elected.

So if he can peel off a few Democrats to help move a bill, all the better. Tell me Joe Manchin or some other Democrats from the south or Midwest who are not in their party's elite aren't going to look at coming on board with Trump as a positive for their district and their own numbers , especially if Trump won in their home court.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (yxZrv)

200 I will take privately funded art any day of the week over the work
product of the current crop of lazy, self-indulgent, narcissistic,
talentless drones whose only skill is sticking a thumb in the eye of
Western culture.

Last night I was reading some random super-cheap Kindle book I bought and forgot about, and the set-up to the mystery was the WPA program that paid painters to bring in a canvas every week. No quality check, then they just tossed the canvases into storage and eventually they were all given away or destroyed. Many of the big names in post-war American art were in this program, and many of the lost pictures could have been worth something (but why would a government agency bother try to recoup money spent by selling off assets people might want to purchase? The taxpayer trough is bottomless...)

Anyway, I stopped reading at a point where a character was bitching at Eleanor Roosevelt that the WPA murals being painted in public buildings (generally pro-America, and at least the taxpayers could go see what they were paying for) were too "realistic" and "pictorial". Who needs those old fuddy-duddies who could paint faces when you could just smear some colors?

I used to see this one quite often. "The Evolution of Corn."
https://is.gd/W1noJ2

Posted by: Heide Radieshen at March 27, 2017 10:26 AM (CSwR8)

201 Posted by: William Henry Harrison at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (7uYFy)
David RODHAM Gergen

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 27, 2017 10:27 AM (y3aQB)

202 Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (0O7c5)

Slap away. It'll take my mind off things.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:28 AM (VuJJJ)

203 Well it was nice to see in the morning report that more and more people understand the Civil War is already upon us.

I just don't understand though how so many people can think it can be resolved peacefully. The Prog scum hate us, and we hate them.

We are no longer a people with common goals. We want to be left alone, and they want to rule and destroy us. The U in USA is dead, and it's only a matter of time before this thing goes hot.

And with that, I need some sleep. Later peeps.

Posted by: Country Boy at March 27, 2017 10:28 AM (Jcg9Q)

204 Trivia: Foote wrote every word of the series long hand using a dip pen. If I recall, the pen nib was a Probate 313, still available.

When I can move my fat ass to write, I like to use a dip pen, myself. I find it very difficult to write fiction straight on the computer.

Also, Foote was a gentleman. I spoke to him on the phone once, calling to thank him for his writing and how he enhanced the Ken Burns PBS series. (I believe this happened to him all the time.) He was gracious at the interruption of his day. And yes, he really did have that refined drawl you heard on TV.

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (V+03K)

The same thing happened to Horowitz when he went to interview Foote. Every now and then the telephone (which he hated, along with Burns' series), he'd pick it up, listen for a moment and then drawl, "You're speaking to him."

The Foote chapter is called, I believe, At the Feet of the Master.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 10:28 AM (X6fMO)

205 Yeah. Failure, loneliness, rejection, humiliation, hopelessness, abandonment...these are the recurring themes.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor

Your mind tends to replay the events of the day in dreams. To file them, classify them, if you may. In a downturn scenario, it will continue this annoying task.

Try spending the last hour before sleep in doing enjoyable things that have little to do with your life. Comedies are good. I really couldn't count the number of times I've watched Seinfeld before nodding off. No bad dreams.

WatchIng a disturbing drama before sleep is just asking for trouble.

.05 - cheap, please

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 10:29 AM (ZFUt7)

206 Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 27, 2017 10:25 AM (0O7c5)
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+10000000000000

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 10:29 AM (sBOL1)

207 I think Trump understood that this bill was going to repeal what it could through reconciliation and he then felt that the next two stages would be negotiated and passed within a year or two.

That plan was poorly laid out. It was like Underwear Gnome economics.

Phase 1: Pass the bill that doesn't repeal Obamacare.
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Repeal Obamacare.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:29 AM (O7MnT)

208 If RyanCare couldn't pass the House with a strong majority how was it ever going to get approved by the Senate?

OCare won't be dealt with until it's a crisis. People losing coverage because there is none to be had. States going broke
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 10:24 AM (8RTTd)

It wasn't. As Newt said this morning on F&F, when the bill was finally in the open, Paul, Cruz, and Lee all said they wouldn't vote for it. Newt said it should have been pulled then. You couldn't pass that bill in the Senate with three R Senators immediately saying they were a no.

Newt also said that he thought Trump should not try to pass tax reform immediately, but what he should start on it infrastructure , which the Democrats will gladly climb on board. Then work on tax reform and Obamacare on parallel tracks, he has no idea why the schedule for this was devised in this way, as it doesn't make sense from a legislative coalition sense.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 10:29 AM (yxZrv)

209 I agree. Trump didn't want this to fail.

But I also think he's not balled up in a corner crying about it. All this "its the end of his agenda" crap is just crap.

Bills pass, bills don't pass. That is why they vote on things.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2017 10:18 AM (tewYv)

Seems to me there are lots of Republicans who invest a LOT of their sense of well-being on wins and losses in Washington.

Frankly, I can't think of a more sad existence.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:30 AM (TOk1P)

210 Trump assumed Ryan was on his side and delegated to
him. Ryan assumed that Trump knew that Ryan had his own agenda. They
talked past each other and then got caught up in a procedural trap. My
guess is that they let Ocare collapse and take it up again in the
autumn.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 10:10 AM (RD7QR)

Background music begins to play softly . . .We're caught in a trapI can't walk outBecause I love you too much, baby

Why can't you seeWhat you're doing to meWhen you don't believe a word I say?

We can't go on togetherWith suspicious minds (suspicious minds)And we can't build our dreamsOn suspicious minds

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 10:30 AM (JO9+V)

211 Is there any reason to not think of the Missouri as the bigger part of a big formed river. There is a White Nile and a Blue Nile

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 10:31 AM (8RTTd)

212 They're all eyeing the topless mermaid that just surfaced outside the frame.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 27, 2017 10:31 AM (BWL+E)

213 Seems to me there are lots of Republicans who invest a LOT of their sense of well-being on wins and losses in Washington.

Frankly, I can't think of a more sad existence.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:30 AM (TOk1P)

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Consider this. Ryan tanked the whole thing on purpose.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:31 AM (8XRCm)

214 Try spending the last hour before sleep in doing enjoyable things that have little to do with your life. Comedies are good. I really couldn't count the number of times I've watched Seinfeld before nodding off. No bad dreams.

WatchIng a disturbing drama before sleep is just asking for trouble.

.05 - cheap, please
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 10:29 AM (ZFUt7)

*goes searching for a nickel*

That's probably good advice. The problem is I usually take a long time to fall asleep, and that's under ideal conditions. It's during that time my mind goes into overdrive and starts beating me over the head.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:32 AM (VuJJJ)

215 Whenever I hear Suspicious Minds -- Elvis backed by the great TNT Band -- I think of the hot French chick in the remake of Breathless

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 10:33 AM (8RTTd)

216 >>175
Mo Dowd says in the NYT, PDT, you got played, and she is so right. Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 27, 2017 10:20 AM (6ptq6)

Maureen Dowd has a lollipop in her hair.

Posted by: General Zod at March 27, 2017 10:34 AM (Bdeb0)

217 The problem is I usually take a long time to fall asleep, and that's under ideal conditions. It's during that time my mind goes into overdrive and starts beating me over the head.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:32 AM (VuJJJ)

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Word. I never understood people that can just fall asleep when their heads hits the pillow.

Dont they have thoughts??

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:34 AM (8XRCm)

218 >>Consider this. Ryan tanked the whole thing on purpose.

The only way I could believe this is to believe that he has been plotting some nefarious plan with Obama for the last 8 years. Seems unlikely.

Occam's razor. One group thought they had a plan to get started on repealing something that took years and multiple bills to implement. Others wanted something done all at once in one bill or nothing.

I don't see it as much more complicated than that.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:36 AM (/tuJf)

219

Joncelli

It may be happening now

Hamas is Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. When Obama said Mubarak should go and Morsi of Muslim Brotherhood take over, Gaza was jubilant. They knew Obama was supporting them instead of Israel

Al Sis threw Morsi out. Muslim Brotherhood are and existential threat to him. And they are all in Gaza now

Day before yesterday IDF bombs rhe tunnels

Yesterday the head of Hamas is assassinated by a frogman hit squad

And not a peep from Al Sisi

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:36 AM (D1AgW)

220
From the Justice League trailer:

Barry Allen to Bruce Wayne: What's your superpower?
Bruce: I'm wealthy.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 27, 2017 10:36 AM (1hM1d)

221 217 The problem is I usually take a long time to fall asleep, and that's under ideal conditions. It's during that time my mind goes into overdrive and starts beating me over the head.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:32 AM (VuJJJ)

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Word. I never understood people that can just fall asleep when their heads hits the pillow.

Dont they have thoughts??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:34 AM (8XRCm)

I envy those people.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:36 AM (X2m/e)

222 Seems to me there are lots of Republicans who invest a LOT of their sense of well-being on wins and losses in Washington.

Frankly, I can't think of a more sad existence.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:30 AM (TOk1P)

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Consider this. Ryan tanked the whole thing on purpose.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:31 AM (8XRCm)

I would rather consider that preening a-hole as little as possible.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:37 AM (TOk1P)

223 As far as I'm concerned, the legislative process worked this time. Ryancare was a bad bill. The bad bill failed because it didn't get enough votes.

Yay. Now maybe they'll actually come up with a good bill. You know, one that actually works towards reducing healthcare costs.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 27, 2017 10:37 AM (KUaJL)

224 That plan was poorly laid out. It was like Underwear Gnome economics.

Phase 1: Pass the bill that doesn't repeal Obamacare.
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Repeal Obamacare.
Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:29 AM (O7MnT)

what was poorly laid out was Ryan trying to get a huge piece of legislation undone without first working to convince the country this was the way to do it and WHY(explain about the taxes, etc.) and then have the constituents work on their representatives while the congress critters all fight with each other over their own issues with the bill.

And months from now, finally have a piece of legislation that can be passed by both houses and signed.

Newt was interesting with his comments this morning and I was on board with them. (not to mention he took a five second moment to slap Brian Kilmeade back in his chair for asking if Paul Ryan had permanently damaged President Trump, I enjoyed his angry face and his statement that Trump is not damaged).

He said that even Obama and the democrats spent 9 months selling the country of Obamacare. They didn't run to the well of the house and drop in a mystery bill and tell everyone it had to be passed by the end of the week.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 10:37 AM (yxZrv)

225 Can't even get laid in my dreams either. Once I get to that point, I wake up. Every freakin' time.

Same here. It's so routine, I actually expect it now.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 10:37 AM (X6fMO)

226 >>>
Consider this. Ryan tanked the whole thing on purpose.

I can see one plausible scenario for that.

Remember how, after the election, Republicans immediately started backing off repeal saying, "Let's not do this right away. Let's do it in two or three years."

What if the leadership decided to come up with a bill that couldn't pass so they could kick the can down the road like they wanted to?

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:38 AM (O7MnT)

227 218 >>Consider this. Ryan tanked the whole thing on purpose.

The only way I could believe this is to believe that he has been plotting some nefarious plan with Obama for the last 8 years. Seems unlikely.

Occam's razor. One group thought they had a plan to get started on repealing something that took years and multiple bills to implement. Others wanted something done all at once in one bill or nothing.

I don't see it as much more complicated than that.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:36 AM (/tuJf)

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Don't forget to add:

Ryan rushed out a bill that he knew he didn't have enough support for and tried to strongarm the most obstinate parts of his caucus into accepting it against an artificial deadline. You know...he's not that good at managing a caucus.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:38 AM (mC1ZI)

228 44 >>. Post offices and other public buildings around the country had paintings, some which were good, or at least interesting for the time.

Some of it Communist propoganda!
Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 09:47 AM (T1Co2

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Tom Wolfe made an interesting observation in The Painted Word to the effect that Modern Art; Dada, Cubeism, etc. came to a screeching halt in the 30's and everyone became a Socialist Realism painter, which is what that Post Office art is.

Anyone here knowledgeable enough about the period to support that?

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at March 27, 2017 10:38 AM (eGPQr)

229 That's probably good advice. The problem is I usually take a long time to fall asleep, and that's under ideal conditions. It's during that time my mind goes into overdrive and starts beating me over the head.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor

Been there. You have to break that pattern. That's why I believe in television in the bedroom. Comedies you've seen before. Stuff you can close your eyes to and see the characters. Stuff that forces your brain to stfu.

Or pron. That works too, with sound turned off.

Sleep is absolutely integral to good health and optimal brain power during the day. You have to control it or it will control you.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 10:38 AM (ZFUt7)

230 220
From the Justice League trailer:

Barry Allen to Bruce Wayne: What's your superpower?
Bruce: I'm wealthy.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 27, 2017 10:36 AM (1hM1d)

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"rich"

Jeez. Get your facts straight before going to print. This is the HQ!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:39 AM (mC1ZI)

231 The problem is I usually take a long time to fall asleep, and that's
under ideal conditions. It's during that time my mind goes into
overdrive and starts beating me over the head.

I've had this problem. I try to read or re-watch previously viewed TV until I fall asleep in the middle of a page. The problem with the first solution is picking something to read that doesn't make me think too much.

Posted by: Heide Radieshen at March 27, 2017 10:39 AM (CSwR8)

232 The problem is I usually take a long time to fall asleep, and that's under ideal conditions. It's during that time my mind goes into overdrive and starts beating me over the head.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:32 AM (VuJJJ)
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Word. I never understood people that can just fall asleep when their heads hits the pillow.

Dont they have thoughts??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:34 AM (8XRCm)

I envy those people.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:36 AM (X2m/e)

Oversimplification, but on the right track: The difference is, some people are able to control their own thoughts much of the time. Some are not.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:40 AM (TOk1P)

233 I don't trust these guys. They look shady.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2017 09:33 AM (oAY8z)

NEVER trust anyone with a penis! Penis people are vile disgusting filth. I detest them from the bottom of my heart.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 10:40 AM (vRcUp)

234 230 220
From the Justice League trailer:

Barry Allen to Bruce Wayne: What's your superpower?
Bruce: I'm wealthy.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 27, 2017 10:36 AM (1hM1d)

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"rich"

Jeez. Get your facts straight before going to print. This is the HQ!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:39 AM (mC1ZI)

Loose shit? Here? Nah...

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:40 AM (X2m/e)

235 233
NEVER trust anyone with a penis! Penis people are vile disgusting filth. I detest them from the bottom of my heart.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 10:40 AM (vRcUp)

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"I know, right? Vote Bernie!"
-Very smart college student who's struggling with their core classes but acing that gender studies course

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:41 AM (mC1ZI)

236 ...Away, I'm bound away, 'cross the wide Missouri...

Looks like one of those paintings on display in an old timey pool hall with burgindy or green walls to give it a certain cachet. Not a complaint, just an observation. There is a tip-of-the-hat kind of charm to it.

Posted by: LizLem at March 27, 2017 10:41 AM (hvf9s)

237 >>What would they paint today? Everybody would be growing vegetables, I guess.

A sea of non-white, androgynous faces. Not doing anything - just being the best special non-white/cis/hetero/thin/christian/male snowflake selves they can be. To them, that is their achievement.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 10:41 AM (NOIQH)

238 >>>Consider this. Ryan tanked the whole thing on purpose.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:31 AM (8XRCm)

This whole fiasco has a Ryan-esq stench about it.

Posted by: Max Power at March 27, 2017 10:41 AM (QCc6B)

239 Fucking penis people need to be eliminated.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 10:41 AM (vRcUp)

240 Word. I never understood people that can just fall asleep when their heads hits the pillow.

Dont they have thoughts??

You're going to think this is nuts.

When I lay down to sleep, I concentrate on this imaginary place I've created in my head. It's stunningly beautiful. I have a few friends. We go on adventures together. I plot them out like novels.

I fall asleep to that.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:42 AM (O7MnT)

241 238 >>>Consider this. Ryan tanked the whole thing on purpose.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:31 AM (8XRCm)

This whole fiasco has a Ryan-esq stench about it.
Posted by: Max Power at March 27, 2017 10:41 AM (QCc6B)

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Malice or incompetence?

I'd bet money that if McConnell had been able to start this process, it would have passed the Senate. That man can wrangle his people much better than Ryan.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:42 AM (mC1ZI)

242 Fucking penis people need to be eliminated.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 10:41 AM (vRcUp)

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Catey dear.

If *youre* fucking penis people.... youre doing it wrong.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:42 AM (8XRCm)

243 and everyone became a Socialist Realism painter, which is what that Post Office art is.

I'm not going to argue with Tom Wolfe, but are you confusing "Socialist Realism" with "Social Realism"? Grant Wood, Thomas Hart Benton--they did the post offices, they showcase the working man, but they never advocate for Stalinism.

http://www.artcyclopedia.com/history/social-realism.html

Posted by: Heide Radieshen at March 27, 2017 10:43 AM (CSwR8)

244 What is that guy shoveling in the back of that rowboat?

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 10:43 AM (qUNWi)

245 Yeah. Failure, loneliness, rejection, humiliation, hopelessness, abandonment...these are the recurring themes.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:21 AM (VuJJJ)

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Look at it this way. Anything that happens to you now will be an improvement.

Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2017 10:43 AM (Fmupd)

246 I don't know how Ryan has the guts to show his face in public. He is either a rat or a failure or both

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (KlI/a)

247 I went to one of those painting / wine-drinking classes over the weekend - it was a singles group thing. I think my painting came out the best, with the exception of the truck which was just out of place. I might revisit it & paint over the stupid truck.

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (7HtZB)

248 When I lay down to sleep, I concentrate on this imaginary place I've created in my head. It's stunningly beautiful. I have a few friends. We go on adventures together. I plot them out like novels.

I've tried that whole imaging thing. Every time I've tried it my brain says "fuck you" and turns it into something awful.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (X2m/e)

249 Malice or incompetence?

I'd bet money that if McConnell had been able to start this process, it would have passed the Senate. That man can wrangle his people much better than Ryan.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:42 AM (mC1ZI)

I think we have no evidence so far that Ryan is in any way competent.

I will give him SOME benefit of the doubt that he's not an evil SOB.

So that's my vote.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (TOk1P)

250
Fucking penis people need to be eliminated.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner

They sure do make you sleepy
With the things they might say

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (IqV8l)

251 Its gonna be ok. The whole thing

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (D1AgW)

252 >>Barry Allen to Bruce Wayne: What's your superpower?

Bruce: I'm wealthy.

Seriously? Ugh.
Batman is *not* sassy, big-headed Tony Stark. He only does the rich playboy act with people who don't know he's Batman.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (NOIQH)

253 >>Ryan rushed out a bill that he knew he didn't have enough support for and tried to strongarm the most obstinate parts of his caucus into accepting it against an artificial deadline. You know...he's not that good at managing a caucus.

I understand that's the new talking point but it really isn't true. Ryan announced over a year ago when they put a repeal bill through Congress and to Obama's desk that this was the process that was going to be used if we got a Republican president.

There were many, many committee meetings over the last year on this bill and those committees included members of the Freedom Caucus. Regular order. It wasn't written in some back room like Obamacare, it was written the way legislation was intended to be written. Don't believe the spin. And it had to come first and fast if they wanted to do other things this year because of legislative rules as much as people don't want to hear it.

I do think Ryan could have done a better job of informing people on the bill and the reasons for doing it this way but at the end of the day if you have a group of people who won't support the bill or the process and they have the numbers to stop it then that's what happens and no amount of negotiating is going to change the outcome.

Onward to tax reform. Obamacare is here for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:45 AM (/tuJf)

254 >>> .05 - cheap, please
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 10:29 AM (ZFUt7)

Not that long ago advice was .02; either inflation has gone up or you are charging the Lucy Van Pelt rate.

Posted by: LizLem at March 27, 2017 10:45 AM (hvf9s)

255 249 I think we have no evidence so far that Ryan is in any way competent.

I will give him SOME benefit of the doubt that he's not an evil SOB.

So that's my vote.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (TOk1P)

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To be fair:

I have to imagine that corralling House Republicans is a near impossible task.

Remember before Ryan took up the job, everyone was asking why anyone would even want the job?

Speaker of the House shouldn't be a policy wonk, but a master politician. He needs to be more Martin Van Buren or Henry Clay than anything else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:46 AM (mC1ZI)

256 >>Onward to tax reform.

Can we expect this will be a similar cock-up? Or is the Donor Class sufficiently on-board with tax reform to make it happen?

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:46 AM (O7MnT)

257 I fall asleep dreaming that I'm in a Broadway musical - The Pirates of Penzance, South Pacific, Guys and Dolls, Chorus Line, The King and I . . .

Posted by: Shep Smith at March 27, 2017 10:47 AM (JO9+V)

258 252 >>Barry Allen to Bruce Wayne: What's your superpower?

Bruce: I'm wealthy.

Seriously? Ugh.
Batman is *not* sassy, big-headed Tony Stark. He only does the rich playboy act with people who don't know he's Batman.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (NOIQH)

Well, if he wasn't rich, he wouldn't be able to get those wonderful toys he uses to fight the villains. But yeah, his superpower is his mind.

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 10:47 AM (7HtZB)

259 So -- Is Ryan a professional loser?

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 10:48 AM (qUNWi)

260 253 I do think Ryan could have done a better job of informing people on the bill and the reasons for doing it this way but at the end of the day if you have a group of people who won't support the bill or the process and they have the numbers to stop it then that's what happens and no amount of negotiating is going to change the outcome.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:45 AM (/tuJf)

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Thank you for proving my point.

He can't manage his caucus. Maybe the caucus is unmanageable, but still...I really just don't think Ryan is the type of guy who can do it in good circumstances much less extremely challenging times.

I just don't think he has the right political mind.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:48 AM (mC1ZI)

261 The Denver airport has big murals that were painted in the last 20 years, so that should give one idea of what would be produced today. It's still Commie-looking - surprise!

http://www.bing.com/images/
search?q=Denver+Airport+Murals+ExplainedFORM=RESTAB

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 10:48 AM (NOIQH)

262 Like the Washington Generals?

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 10:48 AM (qUNWi)

263 When I lay down to sleep, I concentrate on this imaginary place I've created in my head. It's stunningly beautiful. I have a few friends. We go on adventures together. I plot them out like novels.�I fall asleep to that.
Posted by:�V the K�

That's an excellent strategy. I use something similar. A date at some young girls apartment. With roomate. I try to run a scenario where I seduce both of them, or just one.

If some other thoughts intrude I force myself to go back to the door and knock again. Never fails. But sometimes I have to start over multiple times.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 10:48 AM (ZFUt7)

264 Count me in as one of those people who can't fall asleep. Ever since I was a child, it's taken me at least 2-3 hours before real, deep sleep takes over. It's a PITA when 5am rolls around and I have to head out to work.

Dreams are strange things with me. Sometimes I have them, sometimes I don't. And a lot of the times that I have them, they're depressing things. I've not had a nightmare, at least, for years.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 10:49 AM (X6fMO)

265 Mrs928 has trouble sleeping since she worries at night, which I don't understand. Unless I'm physically hurting, I'm out like a light. Sleep is my escape from worry.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 27, 2017 10:49 AM (QQ+il)

266 >>Can we expect this will be a similar cock-up? Or is the Donor Class sufficiently on-board with tax reform to make it happen?

Which donors? Do you really think that only the RINOs have donors and supporters?

It's going to be a much less ambitious tax plan but hopefully they can get together on this one. I wasn't tired of winning.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:49 AM (/tuJf)

267 Onward to tax reform.

Can we expect this will be a similar cock-up? Or is the Donor Class sufficiently on-board with tax reform to make it happen?
Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:46 AM (O7MnT)

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Not going to happen. They might tinker at the margins abit. But a Reaganesque comprehensive code restructuring???

Nope.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:49 AM (8XRCm)

268 I do think Ryan could have done a better job of informing people on the bill and the reasons for doing it this way but at the end of the day if you have a group of people who won't support the bill or the process and they have the numbers to stop it then that's what happens and no amount of negotiating is going to change the outcome.

Onward to tax reform. Obamacare is here for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:45 AM (/tuJf)

What I want to know is, what was Ryan committed to in this bill, the thing that the conservatives would not accept, that he would not let go of?

If we can know that, with some clarity, we'll know who to support when the Party fractures.

Which it will.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 10:49 AM (TOk1P)

269 266 Which donors? Do you really think that only the RINOs have donors and supporters?

It's going to be a much less ambitious tax plan but hopefully they can get together on this one. I wasn't tired of winning.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:49 AM (/tuJf)

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Is the repeal of the income tax to be replaced by a sales tax too ambitious?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:50 AM (mC1ZI)

270 Another challenge is that the Freedom Caucus can't be easily bought off with some pork for their district, or a nice donation to an unaffiliated (*wink* *wink*) PAC. They actually want Constitutional Government and real reform.

The GOP leadership is baffled by this phenomenon.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:50 AM (O7MnT)

271 Consider this. Ryan tanked the whole thing on purpose.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:31 AM (8XRCm)

This whole fiasco has a Ryan-esq stench about it.
Posted by: Max Power at March 27, 2017 10:41 AM (QCc6B)

I've known many highly intelligent people who can do math, engineering, design, etc. who can't manage people at all.
As have many here have found in their own workplaces.

Paul Ryan did not want the speakership job if you all remember. He had to be talked and cajoled into it and this is what you get when you elect or hire someone who doesn't want the job.

He probably is really good at math, as is his reputation. But trying to lead a dysfunctional organization such is the House of Representatives and get things that are approved via a majority of Americans requires a skill and finesse and some doublespeak that I don't believe Ryan possesses or wants to cultivate.
His performance with Slo Jo should have been an eye opener regarding how he can't deal with the number of lying politicians entrenched in Congress and that he is better suited to working on the nuts and bolts of legislation and not the movement of it through.

Trump has now had a window seat to this and he'll search for a different delivery system for what he wants to do.

Who would make a better leader in the House? Anyone who actually runs for the job and gets the votes through lobbying themselves. That would at least indicate they can manage people.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 10:50 AM (yxZrv)

272 I use something similar. A date at some young girls apartment. With roomate. I try to run a scenario where I seduce both of them, or just one.

How many times does Mr Furley knock on the door?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 10:50 AM (X6fMO)

273 The Freedom Caucus are evil say 99 percent of respondents.
MOE +/- 98%

Posted by: FOX News/Ipecac Poll at March 27, 2017 10:51 AM (ymRuQ)

274 When I lay down to sleep, I concentrate on this imaginary place I've created in my head. It's stunningly beautiful. I have a few friends. We go on adventures together. I plot them out like novels.

I fall asleep to that.

That's similar to what I do too.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 10:51 AM (ul9CR)

275 I expect "Tax Reform" to look a lot like the Obamcare "repeal and replace." 99.5% of the tax code won't be touched, there will be a few nibbles around the edges, and big cuts for the donor class.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:52 AM (O7MnT)

276 You know what a "happy ending" is??? Destroying the vile thing, for good!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 10:52 AM (vRcUp)

277 I use something similar. A date at some young girls apartment. With
roomate. I try to run a scenario where I seduce both of them, or just
one.

Now Sheldon, leave Penny alone.

Posted by: Leonard at March 27, 2017 10:52 AM (JO9+V)

278 Barack Obamas former press secretary is now a political analyst for NBC News and MSNBC, the network announced Monday.

Can you say Incest?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:53 AM (KlI/a)

279 Insomniac..that's what happened to me last Sunday night.. a week ago. I usually fall asleep in 30 minutes. I tossed and turned until 4 a.m. My brain would not shut off and stupid shit would pop in my head.. lyrics to a song, what actor played in that movie, how am I going to die.. etc. My mind was jumping around every topic imaginable. I felt like my brain was short circuiting.

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at March 27, 2017 10:53 AM (zRZaJ)

280 Seriously? Ugh.
Batman is *not* sassy, big-headed Tony Stark. He only does the rich playboy act with people who don't know he's Batman.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 10:44 AM (NOIQH)

But everybody knows he's Batman. It's in all the comic books on every news stand in the country.

And Clark Kent is Superman, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 27, 2017 10:54 AM (WDdjT)

281 >>Barack Obamas former press secretary is now a political analyst for NBC News and MSNBC, the network announced Monday.

Josh Earnest?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 10:54 AM (NOIQH)

282 Deformed by my own body.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 10:54 AM (vRcUp)

283 >>What I want to know is, what was Ryan committed to in this bill, the thing that the conservatives would not accept, that he would not let go of?

I guess there are two major theories. One, Ryan is a total sellout or he believed he thought this was the best he could do under the current rules.

Time will tell.

But if the shoe was on the other foot and the Freedom Caucus was in charge and they put a straight repeal on the docket I don't think that would have passed either even if it was allowed under the reconciliation rules which it wouldn't be.

At some point, the Republican caucus, not just Ryan but all of them, are going to have to decide if they want to govern or not. They have proven pretty good at blocking things, now let's see them get together and pass something.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:55 AM (/tuJf)

284 I use something similar. A date at some young girls apartment. With
roomate. I try to run a scenario where I seduce both of them, or just
one.

If you need a wingman, or even a used car, call me.

Posted by: Larry Dallas at March 27, 2017 10:55 AM (7HtZB)

285 Barack Obamas former press secretary is now a political analyst for NBC News and MSNBC, the network announced Monday.

Josh Earnest?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 10:54 AM (NOIQH)

yes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 10:55 AM (KlI/a)

286 281
Our unquestionable polling indicates No.

Posted by: FOX News/Ipecac Poll at March 27, 2017 10:56 AM (ymRuQ)

287
I fall asleep dreaming that I'm in a Broadway musical
Posted by: Shep Smith

Spill the wine. Dig that boy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 27, 2017 10:56 AM (IqV8l)

288 Josh Earnest essentially moved from the Retail Operation of the Democrat Party to its Marketing Division.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM (O7MnT)

289
Oh.... and the nights where I *do* fall asleep relatively quickly???

Brain says "not so fast Kemosabe."

WIDE AWAKE AT 3:07 AM!!! NOW LETS THINK ABOUT ALL KINDS OF STUFF!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM (8XRCm)

290 That looks a little light to be a cord of wood. Them boys best get cracking!

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM (2Mnv1)

291 289
Oh.... and the nights where I *do* fall asleep relatively quickly???

Brain says "not so fast Kemosabe."

WIDE AWAKE AT 3:07 AM!!! NOW LETS THINK ABOUT ALL KINDS OF STUFF!!!
Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM (8XRCm)

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This sort of thing isn't going to happen to me when I get old, is it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM (mC1ZI)

292 Morning all... I see the stock market is in the crapper...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 10:58 AM (O2RFr)

293 121
110 Yeah,casinos used to be the last hope of dying states but now there is weed!
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Don't forget how the lottery has saved hundreds and thousands of schools from failure!!*^

Not tried: Policies that promote economic growth and freedom, letting the tax base grow organically. No room for corruption and graft, see.

*I'm not opposed to gambling, I'm opposed to stupid lies to raise taxes.
^Before that, alcohol and cig tax increases were going make the states flush with cash.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 27, 2017 10:59 AM (ZQpd0)

294 This sort of thing isn't going to happen to me when I get old, is it?

Yeah, but you can always take naps..

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 10:59 AM (O2RFr)

295 265 Mrs928 has trouble sleeping since she worries at night, which I don't understand. Unless I'm physically hurting, I'm out like a light. Sleep is my escape from worry.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 27, 2017 10:49 AM (QQ+il)

Some of us are troubled and melancholy souls.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 11:00 AM (X2m/e)

296 This sort of thing isn't going to happen to me when I get old, is it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM (mC1ZI)
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Since we've already established that I'm old enough to be your mother's much younger friend, I feel it is within my rights to call you a reprobate for that comment.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 11:00 AM (sBOL1)

297

Is the repeal of the income tax to be replaced by a sales tax too ambitious?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:50 AM (mC1ZI)

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A large and ponderous tax code is where congress derives most of it's power. So don't look for any simplification.

Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2017 11:00 AM (Fmupd)

298 289
Oh.... and the nights where I *do* fall asleep relatively quickly???

Brain says "not so fast Kemosabe."

WIDE AWAKE AT 3:07 AM!!! NOW LETS THINK ABOUT ALL KINDS OF STUFF!!!
Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM (8XRCm)

ESPECIALLY REALLY EMBARRASSING OR PAINFUL MEMORIES FROM THE PAST!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 11:01 AM (X2m/e)

299 296 This sort of thing isn't going to happen to me when I get old, is it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM (mC1ZI)
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Since we've already established that I'm old enough to be your mother's much younger friend, I feel it is within my rights to call you a reprobate for that comment.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 11:00 AM (sBOL1)

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I thought you were just 29!!!

I was pretty sure that I was the old man at 31.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:01 AM (mC1ZI)

300
You have to perceive the brain as software on your computer. If you don't like the program its running you change it.

It's not the boss of you.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 11:01 AM (ZFUt7)

301 This sort of thing isn't going to happen to me when I get old, is it?

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ha
haha
HAHA
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*beathes*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

~ Time

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2017 11:01 AM (8XRCm)

302 Wait, Ryancare wasn't the House (R)s tax reform plan?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 27, 2017 11:01 AM (/f1mm)

303 This sort of thing isn't going to happen to me when I get old, is it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM

Assuming by "old" you mean > 29 Earth Years, and you continue to post here, the answer is no.

Moose out front should'a told you.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 27, 2017 11:01 AM (6nAAV)

304 So when are we going to hear from that whistleblower and more about Obama hacking Trump that Devin Nunes promised us?

Posted by: William Henry Harrison at March 27, 2017 11:01 AM (7uYFy)

305 ... MP4 and TJM, I love Shelby Foote's 3 volume Civil War history. I have them in hardcover and have given several sets as gifts. They are a narrative, not a text book. If you want tons of foot notes (no pun intended) and an extensive bibliography, look elsewhere. But for a narrated approach, it's great.

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 10:06 AM (V+03K)

Finished it a few weeks ago...took me nearly a year, but it's a good read. I recently read a "Battle of the Bluge" book written by an Army historian...so dry and statistical it was nearly unreadable.

Posted by: BignJames at March 27, 2017 11:02 AM (x9c8r)

306 At some point, the Republican caucus, not just Ryan but all of them, are going to have to decide if they want to govern or not. They have proven pretty good at blocking things, now let's see them get together and pass something.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:55 AM (/tuJf)

There seems to be a hard belief that the conservatives in Congress are unwilling to compromise on anything.

I don't think there's any evidence for that. There IS evidence they won't compromise on SOME things, and I think we're pretty clear on what most of those things are.

What we're not clear on is, what is Ryan's hard line? What line won't he cross to get legislation passed?

If those two things are incompatible (and they might be), then this again, is where we figure out the Party is not one Party, but is irreparably fractured.

It might be, but we don't know because honestly, we have no idea what Ryan's hard principles are. No idea.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:02 AM (TOk1P)

307 RE: Obamacare repeal, I don't think it will ever happen. And to be honest, Trump was probably right not hold the vote.

It comes out like this: The Rich have power; they can get what they want done by buying politicians.

As for everyone else, well, the takers have the power. They are a big voting block and NO politician EVER will vote to take away anything from the takers. EVER. Repealing Obamacare is perceived as taking something away from the takers. That makes the takers for vote for the party who is not taking away. And the parties want the takers votes as much as they want the money of the rich.

As for the makers, well, we exist to subsidize the takers. That's all. Our thoughts and our votes don't matter. All they need from us is our tax money. That's all.

/yep, it's a cynical monday...

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 11:02 AM (FkAXz)

308 >>Josh Earnest essentially moved from the Retail Operation of the Democrat Party to its Marketing Division.

NBC/MSNBC also just hired John Podesta, too, right?

Looks like they learned something form the DNC email leak - the one where it was revealed just how much the DNC controls what is aired on the news channels, particularly MSNBC: if you have the Democrat party apparatchiks onsite giving you the orders verbally you don't leave a paper (email) trail!!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:02 AM (NOIQH)

309 I thought you were just 29!!!

I was pretty sure that I was the old man at 31.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:01 AM (mC1ZI)
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We talked about this, remember? I mentioned thee was some tricky math involved.

If your memory is as bad as all that, maybe I really am younger than you!

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 11:02 AM (sBOL1)

310 This sort of thing isn't going to happen to me when I get old, is it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 10:57 AM (mC1ZI)

Get off my lawn. Snot-nosed punks...

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 11:02 AM (X2m/e)

311 >>They have proven pretty good at blocking things

True that. They've managed to block border security, entitlement reform, defunding sanctuary cities, reducing the EPA, universal e-Verify,

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:03 AM (O7MnT)

312 So, OT:

I finally told my wife that I was trying to lose weight. Her response: "You don't need to. Unless you're trying to get abs."

"I am."

"Well, in that case, let's see how we can cut even more carbs from our meal plan for the week."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:03 AM (mC1ZI)

313 *there* not thee. Phone phingers

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 11:03 AM (sBOL1)

314 304 So when are we going to hear from that whistleblower and more about Obama hacking Trump that Devin Nunes promised us?

That's my question to

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 11:03 AM (O2RFr)

315 >>
NBC/MSNBC also just hired John Podesta, too, right?

That was the Washington Compost/National Laughingstock

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:03 AM (O7MnT)

316 204 ... MP4, I remember that chapter in the Horowitz book. Made me smile when I read that part.

I enjoy using dip pens and keep several handy on my desk. There are times when they just feel right. I hate composing creative writing on computers. I prefer a manual typewriter for that or a fountain or dip pen as an alternative. (This is just hobby stuff for me, not business, my deadline days are blessedly in the past.)

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 11:04 AM (V+03K)

317 309
We talked about this, remember? I mentioned thee was some tricky math involved.

If your memory is as bad as all that, maybe I really am younger than you!

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 11:02 AM (sBOL1)

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I ignored the tricky math. You'll always be 29 to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:04 AM (mC1ZI)

318 I think the bill failure all comes back to the failure theater games of the past 4 years.

If they have put up eleventyteen bills to repeal Obamacare in the past, they should have one ready to go.

They instead went with this one. And said, well, we can't just repeal Obamacare.

SAY WHAT? You mean all that stuff we said we could do we really couldn't? That isn't the Freedom Caucus's fault.

If there is or was a multi tier path to get there, then that should have been laid out instead of here it is everybody vote on it.

It does seem there were mismanaged expectations all around.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2017 11:04 AM (tewYv)

319 drones whose ~~only skill~~ job it is sticking a thumb in the eye of Western culture.

Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2017 11:04 AM (FhXTo)

320 Some of us are troubled and melancholy souls.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 11:00 AM (X2m/e)

**fist bump**

I'd add in "lonely," too.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 11:04 AM (X6fMO)

321 Nice hats.

What is the guy in the back about to do with that shovel?

Posted by: simplemind at March 27, 2017 11:04 AM (xVRrG)

322 ^Before that, alcohol and cig tax increases were going make the states flush with cash.
Posted by: RoyalOil
________

I'm helping to balance New York's budget all by myself.

Posted by: DistHillary at March 27, 2017 11:05 AM (j+dfT)

323
RE: Obamacare repeal, I don't think it will ever happen. And to be honest, Trump was probably right not hold the vote.

1972 - Only Nixon can go to China.

2017 - Only Trump can go to single payer.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 27, 2017 11:05 AM (IqV8l)

324 I'd bet money that if McConnell had been able to start this process, it would have passed the Senate. That man can wrangle his people much better than Ryan.

I think the issue is that where the rubber meets the road there's:

a) Limited stomach for a pure repeal, because the previous 'system' was not a system and, for everyone who gets a $50 cut in their monthly employer-group plan you'll have an explosion in COBRA and individual plan costs.

b) Nor is there the stomach for the kind of cost-containment the NHS practices (the Brits import vast numbers of 'Asian' doctors to work as unionized government employees) and tell the providers "Hey, expensively trained American doctors, you're now driving Toyotas and flying coach, not our problem whether you can afford the ski cabin".

c) Nor is there enough willing to write off pharma contributions and say "Okay, you'll get paid at the average of the Canadian, German, British, and Italian reimbursement rate, Uncle Sugar's citizens aren't going to subsidize them anymore, raise their prices and your reimbursement here goes up."

d) It's entirely reasonable to establish greater competition and empty the birth control and gender-reassignment hormone pills and some of the frou-frou coverages from the benefit basket, but the preexisting-conditions horse has left the barn, it's reasonable to sanction those who don't carry insurance until their gut explodes but guaranteed-issue and some form of community rating for those maintaining coverage and transitioning between forms of coverage is going to continue.

d) It would also be reasonable to control use of very, very expensive specialists like anesthesiologists who are the modern equivalent of buggy-whip vendors, there will always be a need for a few to handle corner cases and they'll probably make ridiculous sums for that specialty, but in most cases automated solutions can more readily handle the job than, say, they can with self-driving semis or Uber.

Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2017 11:06 AM (TppKb)

325 It's easy for the Left to demonize wealth, but here is a very nice example of what it can do. And while I have no need to assure you of this, I will, because it needs repeating: the progressive canard that government is necessary for the support of the arts is just that; a lie, perpetrated on the American public. I will take privately funded art any day of the week over the work product of the current crop of lazy, self-indulgent, narcissistic, talentless drones whose only skill is sticking a thumb in the eye of Western culture.

When Bander and I were going through the National Gallery of Art, we took the time to read the spiel about how it came into existence. As a result, I have now revised my definition of fuck you money.

Fuck you money is when you are so damn rich you can tell a US President, hey, I think what this country needs is an art museum so I'm just going to build it and fill it up with all the extra Old Masters I have that eh I just don't need around anymore, that okay with you?

Because, more or less, that's what Andrew Mellon did.

That, dear Horde, is fuck you money.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 27, 2017 11:06 AM (mf5HN)

326 I finally told my wife that I was trying to lose weight. Her response: "You don't need to. Unless you're trying to get abs."

"I am."

"Well, in that case, let's see how we can cut even more carbs from our meal plan for the week."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:03 AM (mC1ZI)

Getting those storied abs you see in action movies and Superman comics are purely genetic. You can lose weight and bring out the muscle. You can even get a flat stomach. But those rippling six-packs are not going to show on most people....
Good luck

Posted by: JoeF. at March 27, 2017 11:06 AM (7uYFy)

327 Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 10:55 AM (/tuJf)

My belief is we will revisit ObamaCare when the urgent need to do something overrides the various factions settled positions. When it is more dangerous to stay where they are than to negotiate in earnest.

When is that time? Watch the for the politicians to start talking about this without prompting and you will know.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Spring Sale! Get Your Vernal Vituperations at the Outrage Outlet! at March 27, 2017 11:07 AM (hLRSq)

328 324 Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2017 11:06 AM (TppKb)

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My larger point isn't really policy related. It's all about how McConnell, if he wanted to pass it, could pass almost any repeal/replace bill if he really wanted to. It's what his decades in the Senate has taught him to do.

There are large policy discussion to be had, but I'm just thinking, at the moment, of the pure politics of getting legislation through a Chamber of Congress.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:08 AM (mC1ZI)

329 274
When I lay down to sleep, I concentrate on this imaginary place I've
created in my head. It's stunningly beautiful. I have a few friends. We
go on adventures together. I plot them out like novels.

I fall asleep to that.

That's similar to what I do too.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 10:51 AM (ul9CR)

it's rare that i don't go right to sleep...i look forward to my dreams.....my dreams are my happy/safe place....filled with adventures.....loved ones that are no longer here... sometimes come for a visit....i work out real life issues.....receive messages from the great beyond....i've had to face hard facts about myself in them....which i hope is helping me be a better person....

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 27, 2017 11:08 AM (0O7c5)

330 Was at St. Louis for a weekend trip. The St. Louis Art Museum has quite a few Binghams, and I think I saw this one there on loan. There are a few larger paintings where he has like an entire town in the picture for something or other (election day, court decision, etc.). It's very Americana and pleasant to look at.

Posted by: They Can't Have My French Fries at March 27, 2017 11:08 AM (9F4vW)

331 >>Her response: "You don't need to. Unless you're trying to get abs."
"I am."

Heh. I can't find it*, but Greg Gutfeld did an funny rant on how having great abs means you're an a$$hole, because the determination it takes to get and maintain great abs means requires that you put aside everything else in your life. And he was editor of Men's Health, so he would know

*I think Bing messed w/its search logic to hide conservative stuff - I have not able to find stuff lately

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:08 AM (NOIQH)

332 326 Getting those storied abs you see in action movies and Superman comics are purely genetic. You can lose weight and bring out the muscle. You can even get a flat stomach. But those rippling six-packs are not going to show on most people....
Good luck
Posted by: JoeF. at March 27, 2017 11:06 AM (7uYFy)

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Only way to find out is to lost the last 5-6 pounds of fat that's covering up those abs.

I've already started the millions of crunches/planks/everything else, so here's to hoping!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:09 AM (mC1ZI)

333
*I think Bing messed w/its search logic to hide conservative stuff - I have not able to find stuff lately
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:08 AM (NOIQH)

I agree.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 27, 2017 11:09 AM (7uYFy)

334
Great threads and comments this morning.

I can now add cutting to my self-hurt repertoire.

Posted by: Eeyore at March 27, 2017 11:10 AM (iqmCr)

335 >>I don't think there's any evidence for that. There IS evidence they won't compromise on SOME things, and I think we're pretty clear on what most of those things are.

I don't think there's any evidence one way or the other. Many of these guys have never been in charge when there was a Republican president so they've never actually had to pass anything meaningful.

Mark Meadows, the head of the Freedom Caucus, has been in office since 2013. Similarly, many of the members of the Caucus come from safe Republican districts so they don't really feel the need to compromise on much.

And on the other side you have Republicans from purple or even bluish districts and they have their constituencies.

I don't know if Ryan is up to the job of governing the House or not but I also don't think it's an easy job at all. Very diverse group with lots of people who don't seem to want to compromise so far and nothing is getting done unless there is some compromise on legislation.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:10 AM (/tuJf)

336 314 304 So when are we going to hear from that whistleblower and more about Obama hacking Trump that Devin Nunes promised us?

That's my question to
Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 11:03 AM (O2RFr)

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You won't. It's been replaced by "Trump is a total failure".

Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2017 11:10 AM (Fmupd)

337 331
Heh. I can't find it*, but Greg Gutfeld did an funny rant on how having great abs means you're an a$$hole, because the determination it takes to get and maintain great abs means requires that you put aside everything else in your life. And he was editor of Men's Health, so he would know

*I think Bing messed w/its search logic to hide conservative stuff - I have not able to find stuff lately
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:08 AM (NOIQH)

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I have thought about whether I'd be willing to try to maintain it. I haven't decided yet, or even found out if I can do it.

Mostly, I just had that ugly little pouch of fat that started right at my belly button. That's what started this whole drive.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:10 AM (mC1ZI)

338 Only way to find out is to lost the last 5-6 pounds of fat that's covering up those abs.

I've already started the millions of crunches/planks/everything else, so here's to hoping!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:09 AM (mC1ZI)

I'd be content to lose the last one pound in my abdomen that's hiding the the last FEW inches of cock that I just know are there.....

Posted by: JoeF. at March 27, 2017 11:11 AM (7uYFy)

339 This sort of thing isn't going to happen to me when I get old, is it?�
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Of course it is. Computer analogy again. Brain is like a disk clean-up utility programmed to sift through your hard drive of memories. More memories equals more shit to sift through.

If it finds some bad sectors of bad memories, unresolved stuff, it alerts you - at 3 fucking a.m.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 11:12 AM (ZFUt7)

340 Lefty fascists aren't so much against money when THEY have it.

Posted by: Pleistocene Megafauna at March 27, 2017 11:13 AM (nKPgU)

341 339 Of course it is. Computer analogy again. Brain is like a disk clean-up utility programmed to sift through your hard drive of memories. More memories equals more shit to sift through.

If it finds some bad sectors of bad memories, unresolved stuff, it alerts you - at 3 fucking a.m.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 11:12 AM (ZFUt7)

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You may underestimate the awkwardness of my childhood and dating years....

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:13 AM (mC1ZI)

342 Are there any really wealthy conservatives - not GOPe, not libertarian - out there?

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 11:14 AM (7HtZB)

343 If it finds some bad sectors of bad memories, unresolved stuff, it alerts you - at 3 fucking a.m.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 11:12 AM (ZFUt7)

Truth.
The other night I had dreams about an old friend and two previous lovers who I have unresoved shit with....

Posted by: JoeF. at March 27, 2017 11:14 AM (7uYFy)

344 Remember when Obama told Trump during the transition that the most frustrating thing about the presidency is not being able to work things through Congress. Probably about the only honest thing he told him.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 27, 2017 11:15 AM (yxZrv)

345 >>Are there any really wealthy conservatives - not GOPe, not libertarian - out there?

Do the Koch Brothers count?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:15 AM (/tuJf)

346 Morning all... I see the stock market is in the crapper...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 10:58 AM (O2RFr)

The word is, it was up on the prospects of Trump's agenda being implemented. Now that's in doubt so the market is selling off. If the market completely tanks can we blamed that on the Democrats for not being on board with the Trump agenda?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 11:16 AM (493sH)

347 345 >>Are there any really wealthy conservatives - not GOPe, not libertarian - out there?

Do the Koch Brothers count?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:15 AM (/tuJf)

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Open Borders Koch Brothers?

Thar be libertarians, matey.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:16 AM (mC1ZI)

348 >>I have thought about whether I'd be willing to try to maintain it. I haven't decided yet, or even found out if I can do it.

Good for you for trying! GO GAINZZZZ!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:16 AM (NOIQH)

349 "Cushingoid appearance" does not mean that one looks like Peter Cushing. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 11:17 AM (7HtZB)

350 348 Good for you for trying! GO GAINZZZZ!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:16 AM (NOIQH)

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God...I wish Ace was a morning person.

Then I could participate in some GAINZ threads.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:17 AM (mC1ZI)

351 This sort of thing isn't going to happen to me when I get old, is it?
--

Yes. You'll take up gardening, enjoying lounging on the couch, and spend a lot of time talking about how stupid people are.

Also, you might turn into one or both of your parents. If you're lucky, it's the good one.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 11:18 AM (FkAXz)

352 Dreams are nothing but wayward-traveling electrons coming back to share their information of other demensions where you exist.

Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2017 11:18 AM (Fmupd)

353 >>Open Borders Koch Brothers?

>>Thar be libertarians, matey.

And yet, they were one of the driving forces aligned to kill the bill. You're going to have to square that circle for me. They can't be open borders squishes and True Conservatives at the same time.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:18 AM (/tuJf)

354 JosephStan, yes Trump has tapped them to work in his cabinet. Rex Tillerson comes to mind.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 27, 2017 11:18 AM (yxZrv)

355 351
Yes. You'll take up gardening, enjoying lounging on the couch, and spend a lot of time talking about how stupid people are.

Also, you might turn into one or both of your parents. If you're lucky, it's the good one.
Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 11:18 AM (FkAXz)

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My wife is hoping I turn into my mom instead of my dad.

I'm thinking it's going to be the other way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:19 AM (mC1ZI)

356 305 ... "I recently read a "Battle of the Bluge" book written by an Army historian...so dry and statistical it was nearly unreadable."

BignJames, I think you read "A Time For Trumpets" by Charles Macdonald. It's full of information but can be dry, as you said. The same man commanded a rifle company during The Bulge and wrote about it in "Company Commander", which I think is a much more interesting account of the battle. And a lot shorter.

Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 11:19 AM (V+03K)

357 Do the Koch Brothers count?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:15 AM (/tuJf)

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Open Borders Koch Brothers?

Thar be libertarians, matey.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:16 AM (mC1ZI)

Yep, pretty libertarian.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 27, 2017 11:19 AM (rxiJx)

358 353 And yet, they were one of the driving forces aligned to kill the bill. You're going to have to square that circle for me. They can't be open borders squishes and True Conservatives at the same time.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:18 AM (/tuJf)

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What bill? AHCA?

Maybe the AHCA wasn't libertarian in nature?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:19 AM (mC1ZI)

359 My wife is hoping I turn into my mom instead of my dad.

I'm thinking it's going to be the other way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:19 AM (mC1ZI)

I hope I turn into my Mom.

Posted by: Caitlyn jenner at March 27, 2017 11:19 AM (7HtZB)

360 Morning all... I see the stock market is in the crapper...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 10:58 AM (O2RFr)

The word is, it was up on the prospects of Trump's agenda being
implemented. Now that's in doubt so the market is selling off. If the
market completely tanks can we blamed that on the Democrats for not
being on board with the Trump agenda?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 11:16 AM (493sH)

Buy on rumor, Sell on news. Friday was news. Also, the markets hate *fiery hate* uncertainty.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 11:20 AM (JO9+V)

361 >>>I finally told my wife that I was trying to lose weight. Her response: "You don't need to. Unless you're trying to get abs."

"I am."

"Well, in that case, let's see how we can cut even more carbs from our meal plan for the week."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:03 AM (mC1ZI)

Getting those storied abs you see in action movies and Superman
comics are purely genetic. You can lose weight and bring out the
muscle. You can even get a flat stomach. But those rippling six-packs
are not going to show on most people....

Good luck
.
.
.Yep when I was running and working out pretty much everyday I got down to 165 pounds (I am 5'11") with less than 5% body fat and I never could get decent abs no matter how many crunches and stuff I tried.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2017 11:21 AM (le7jz)

362 >>Yes. You'll take up gardening, enjoying lounging on the couch, and spend a lot of time talking about how stupid people are.
Also, you might turn into one or both of your parents. If you're lucky, it's the good one.

LOL, so true!
May even adopt a dog you treat as a pseudo-child to comfort yourself for having to deal with sassy teen child(ren).

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:22 AM (NOIQH)

363 >>What bill? AHCA?

Yea, that bill.

>>Maybe the AHCA wasn't libertarian in nature?

Doubtful. The group of donors that they are at the center of has an enormous pot of money that they promised to use to support people who voted against the bill because it didn't go far enough in completely repealing Obamacare.

So I guess they are squishy Libertarian Conservatives. Sort of .

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:23 AM (/tuJf)

364 Thar be libertarians, matey.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:16 AM

Call me David.

Posted by: One of the Koch Brothers at March 27, 2017 11:23 AM (QD9b6)

365
>>Yes. You'll take up gardening, enjoying lounging on the couch,
and spend a lot of time talking about how stupid people are.
Also, you might turn into one or both of your parents. If you're lucky, it's the good one.

>>>LOL, so true!
May even adopt a dog you treat as a pseudo-child to comfort yourself for having to deal with sassy teen child(ren).

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:22 AM (NOIQH)

And join the board of your HOA.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 11:24 AM (JO9+V)

366 The word is, it was up on the prospects of Trump's agenda being implemented. Now that's in doubt so the market is selling off. If the market completely tanks can we blamed that on the Democrats for not being on board with the Trump agenda?
Posted by: TheQuietMan�

Thank G-d that the democrats didn't pull this shit on Ronald Reagan. Tens of millions of post war children were suddenly hitting working age. His policies created the opportunity for business growth and job creation that accommodated these tens of millions.

There should be civil war in this country with millions of youth marching on Washington - demanding the same opportunity their parents had. Instead they've been fed this line of shit that evil corporations or individuals have all the money.

Grrrr.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 11:24 AM (ZFUt7)

367 >>>They can't be open borders squishes and True Conservatives at the same time.

To Big Business, a flood of migrants is a flood of consumers --- usually with little financial acumen. They expect to make a fortune selling them fuel, food, clothing, and consumer goods.

And if they require welfare and subsidies to pay for those things... meh.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:26 AM (O7MnT)

368 There should be civil war in this country with millions of youth marching on Washington - demanding the same opportunity their parents had. Instead they've been fed this line of shit that evil corporations or individuals have all the money.

Grrrr.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 11:24 AM (ZFUt7)

They've also been brainwashed that socialism is just the bestest and they should be taken care of for their entire life.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 11:26 AM (493sH)

369 I'm supposed to get a job offer today for a great (but hard) job.

Or a rejection.

Not sure which terrifies me the most.

And I've a bunch of work needing done regardless.

Life, what a ride.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 27, 2017 11:27 AM (ZQpd0)

370 f.lux + solitaire on the smart phone usually knocks me out.

Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2017 11:27 AM (FhXTo)

371 >>There should be civil war in this country with millions of youth
marching on Washington - demanding the same opportunity their parents
had.

OWS - Marching to demand they get the same *stuff* their parents had without actually having to work for it.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:28 AM (NOIQH)

372 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRq_ET5ykY This is totally cool especially if you are a WW2 buff

Posted by: Jeffrey R. Carter at March 27, 2017 11:28 AM (Cgudb)

373 OWS - Marching to demand they get the same *stuff* their parents had without actually having to work for it.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:28 AM (NOIQH)

Also the drum circles, smoking weed, and rapes.

Mostly the drum circles, smoking weed and rapes.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 27, 2017 11:29 AM (KUaJL)

374 >>To Big Business, a flood of migrants is a flood of consumers --- usually with little financial acumen. They expect to make a fortune selling them fuel, food, clothing, and consumer goods.

I understand the theory. But the reality is that groups like Americans For Prosperity, which is largely the Koch Brothers, was very vocal in opposing this bill and said they would donate to those who voted against it and oppose those who voted for it.

So you can't just say donors are all behind the GOPe. Everyone has donors and constituents and there are a lot of very strange bedfellows in DC.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:29 AM (/tuJf)

375 Best story today:

In ZeroHedge, Trump supposedly handed Merkl a $375 BILLION bill for NATO. As per the Times of London.

It true... awesome.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 11:31 AM (FkAXz)

376 I'm fond of Bingham. Several of his works are in the St. Louis Art Museum. They aren't up there with, say, the work of Thomas Cole (IMO), but they're a bright slice of Americana.

Carry on with the political discussion...the Monday blues are here.

Posted by: iwuzhere at March 27, 2017 11:31 AM (jiGGU)

377 Yep when I was running and working out pretty much everyday I got down to 165 pounds (I am 5'11") with less than 5% body fat and I never could get decent abs no matter how many crunches and stuff I tried.�
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

You can get them. But we're talking situps on a slant bench, with serious weights in each hand, next to your ears. Pain, pain, pain. When you finish you feel like someone pummeled your gut.

Garden variety ab exercises only flatten, they don't excentuate.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 11:31 AM (ZFUt7)

378 375 Best story today:

In ZeroHedge, Trump supposedly handed Merkl a $375 BILLION bill for NATO. As per the Times of London.

It true... awesome.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 11:31 AM (FkAXz)

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Both sides have denied it.

Fake news.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:31 AM (mC1ZI)

379 377 Yep when I was running and working out pretty much everyday I got down to 165 pounds (I am 5'11") with less than 5% body fat and I never could get decent abs no matter how many crunches and stuff I tried.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

You can get them. But we're talking situps on a slant bench, with serious weights in each hand, next to your ears. Pain, pain, pain. When you finish you feel like someone pummeled your gut.

Garden variety ab exercises only flatten, they don't excentuate.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 11:31 AM (ZFUt7)

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*takes notes*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:32 AM (mC1ZI)

380 ESPECIALLY REALLY EMBARRASSING OR PAINFUL MEMORIES FROM THE PAST!
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 11:01 AM
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Ugh! I hate that. Mostly happens at about 3:00 AM on a night where I've had too much to drink. Pounding headache, beer trots and upset stomach add to the misery of not being able to get back to sleep.

On sober nights though, the best thing I have found to help chase the thoughts out of my head and get to sleep is prayer. And no, I'm not some preachy, come to Jesus freak. I do remember the prayers from my childhood (I'm Catholic) so I usually start with an Act of Contrition--hoping that will clear the black marks on my soul in case I croak in my sleep. Then I tell God if He doesn't want to listen, I understand, since I am such a useless jerk and only come running to Him when I have problems. Then I start saying Hail Marys and Our Fathers until I drift off. Whole process usually lasts about a half hour.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 27, 2017 11:32 AM (HiDrR)

381 >>356
305 ... "I recently read a "Battle of the Bluge" book written by an Army
historian...so dry and statistical it was nearly unreadable."

Not unlike Clay Blair's authoritative, two-volume "Hitler's U-Boat War." Almost 1800 pages of serious sub warfare geek-out.

Posted by: General Zod at March 27, 2017 11:32 AM (Bdeb0)

382 In ZeroHedge, Trump supposedly handed Merkl a $375 BILLION bill for NATO. As per the Times of London.

It true... awesome.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 11:31 AM (FkAXz)

375B actually seems really low to me, but I'll defer to the experts on this smart military blog.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 27, 2017 11:32 AM (KUaJL)

383
OWS - Marching to demand they get the same *stuff* their parents had without actually having to work for it.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:28 AM (NOIQH)

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Yup. And also wanting it to be lawful to shit in public.

Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2017 11:34 AM (M7Vz6)

384 So, Bernie is going to sponsor a bill to replace Obamacare with single payer.

Pretty sure that was the plan all along.

Betcha the GOPe will go along with it.

But, of course, they won't have to abide by it.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 11:36 AM (FkAXz)

385 371 OWS - Marching to demand they get the same *stuff* their parents had without actually having to work for it.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 11:28 AM (NOIQH)

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"My parents bought a house the second they were out of college, right?!?!?"
-Very smart college student who's struggling with their core classes but acing that gender studies course

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:36 AM (mC1ZI)

386 Not sure it was posted but did y'all see the leftist open carry protest in Phoenix?

Starting to feel froggy??

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 27, 2017 11:36 AM (2x9LM)

387 Yup. And also wanting it to be lawful to shit in public.

Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2017 11:34 AM (M7Vz6)

We approve.

Posted by: EPA Hallway Poopers at March 27, 2017 11:36 AM (JO9+V)

388 384 So, Bernie is going to sponsor a bill to replace Obamacare with single payer.

Pretty sure that was the plan all along.

Betcha the GOPe will go along with it.

But, of course, they won't have to abide by it.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 11:36 AM (FkAXz)

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It'll be tabled in committee.

It will be used as some sort of political hammer by progressives somehow.

It will not be effective.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:37 AM (mC1ZI)

389 What's wrong with Mattis? Seems like he's pushing the same BS line that AQ et al don't represent "true islam" that we've heard since 9/11

http://tinyurl.com/n4mdgej

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 11:37 AM (7HtZB)

390 I'm fond of Bingham. Several of his works are in the St. Louis Art Museum. They aren't up there with, say, the work of Thomas Cole (IMO), but they're a bright slice of Americana.

Carry on with the political discussion...the Monday blues are here.

Posted by: iwuzhere at March 27, 2017 11:31 AM (jiGGU)

St. Louis Art Museum is very well laid out, with fairly clear spaces dedicated to different types/styles of art. They have a pretty great section of abstract paintings, even thought I know nothing of the artists, only that I know what I like.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:37 AM (TOk1P)

391 389 What's wrong with Mattis? Seems like he's pushing the same BS line that AQ et al don't represent "true islam" that we've heard since 9/11

http://tinyurl.com/n4mdgej
Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 11:37 AM (7HtZB)

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Don't care as long as he kills AQ et al.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:38 AM (mC1ZI)

392 Mark Meadows, the head of the Freedom Caucus, has been in office since
2013. Similarly, many of the members of the Caucus come from safe
Republican districts so they don't really feel the need to compromise on
much.
=====

What I can't get over is how they were ignored until the last minute and all they got were threats -- when, as if you say, they are in safe districts. Makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 27, 2017 11:39 AM (MIKMs)

393 .Yep when I was running and working out pretty much everyday I got down to 165 pounds (I am 5'11") with less than 5% body fat and I never could get decent abs no matter how many crunches and stuff I tried.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2017 11:21 AM (le7jz)

Same here. Even in the best shape of my life, at around 4-5% body fat and working out like a fiend I never got a six-pack.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 11:39 AM (0mRoj)

394 Posted by: IrishEi at March 27, 2017 11:32 AM (HiDrR)

I should do that. I could do worse than say the rosary at night.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 11:39 AM (X6fMO)

395 I like to poop in the sink and squish it through my fingers

Posted by: The Honorable Paul Ryan at March 27, 2017 11:40 AM (B5R2a)

396 in a husky, whispery voice "I'm Boatman."

Posted by: Dang at March 27, 2017 11:40 AM (8b+oT)

397
"My parents bought a house the second they were out of college, right?!?!?"
-Very smart college student who's struggling with their core classes but acing that gender studies course

----------------
There was a story in... I wanna say Slate... a few weeks back about a Millennial who had paid off her $200K student loan debt in just two years. It was simple,

- Her mom gave her a job at the Non-Profit she ran and paid her $150K per year.
- Her mom bought her a condo, so she wouldn't have to pay rent.
- She then sold the condo and moved in with her mom and used the funds to pay off the debt.

See how easy that was for a responsible "self-sufficent" Millennial?

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:40 AM (O7MnT)

398 Don't care as long as he kills AQ et al.

Agreed..

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 11:41 AM (O2RFr)

399 You think it's a boatload of firewood, but since when does it take three guys to steer a mini-barge?
River pirates. Red Scarf is in charge and looks like one of those Commie wealth redistributers. Big Hat wants some shoes bad. The Other Crewman is wearing red pants and straw hat and needs new duds.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 27, 2017 11:41 AM (FtrY1)

400 >>>Bernie is going to sponsor a bill to replace Obamacare with single payer.

And Republicans/Trump will offer a compromise by reviving the "Public Option" Nancy Pelosi wanted so much.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:42 AM (O7MnT)

401 Any prognosticators out there think they know what will happen w/Gorsuch? It's just unfriggin' believable to me that the same D(crat)-bags who confirmed him for Federal judgeship now have a problem w/him on SCOTUS.
I'm really curious, do you think the Rs have the sack to go nuclear? Will they have to?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 27, 2017 11:42 AM (ty7RM)

402
in a husky, whispery voice "I'm Boatman."
Posted by: Dang

A Vulgar Boatman

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 27, 2017 11:42 AM (IqV8l)

403 >>>>375 Best story today:

In ZeroHedge, Trump supposedly handed Merkl a $375 BILLION bill for NATO. As per the Times of London.

It true... awesome.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 11:31 AM (FkAXz)

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Both sides have denied it.

Fake news.
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.Yep just another attempt to embarrass Trump.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2017 11:43 AM (le7jz)

404 Nor is there the stomach for the kind of cost-containment the NHS practices (the Brits import vast numbers of 'Asian' doctors to work as unionized government employees) and tell the providers "Hey, expensively trained American doctors, you're now driving Toyotas and flying coach, not our problem whether you can afford the ski cabin".

Will never work unless everyone decides they want Sri Lankan doctors or whatever.

No American male or female is going to go to college for 4 years then to Med school/etc for medical training for 8 years and then set up an office.

All of that is a huge investment in time and money. Not to mention all of the time and money and loss of good times invested just for the opportunity to go to med school.

You want the best and brightest in your doctors or, at least, I do for mine. With the best training available.

3rd world doctors? Pass.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 27, 2017 11:44 AM (vZ9Fw)

405 401 Any prognosticators out there think they know what will happen w/Gorsuch? It's just unfriggin' believable to me that the same D(crat)-bags who confirmed him for Federal judgeship now have a problem w/him on SCOTUS.
I'm really curious, do you think the Rs have the sack to go nuclear? Will they have to?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 27, 2017 11:42 AM (ty7RM)

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If forced to make a prediction, I'd say that he gets through without bombing the filibuster but with much noise from Senate Democrats.

Schumer will try to thread the needle between needing to keep the filibuster in place for next time and appeasing his base.

Since Schumer is bad at his job, I'm going to assume that he ends up pissing everyone off at the same time while doing it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:44 AM (mC1ZI)

406 "I see the stock market is in the crapper... "

The indices are all coming back. They should end the day only slightly down or flat

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 11:44 AM (SIY7D)

407 Mark Meadows, the head of the Freedom Caucus, has been in office since 2013. Similarly, many of the members of the Caucus come from safe Republican districts so they don't really feel the need to compromise on
much.
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What I can't get over is how they were ignored until the last minute and all they got were threats -- when, as if you say, they are in safe districts. Makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 27, 2017 11:39 AM (MIKMs)

Paul Ryno: I rule with an iron fist when it comes to comservatives and a limp wrist when it comes to Democrats

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 11:45 AM (493sH)

408 What I can't get over is how they were ignored until the last minute and all they got were threats -- when, as if you say, they are in safe districts. Makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 27, 2017 11:39 AM (MIKMs)

I know lots of folks devote a lot of time and energy reading the Congressional box scores, so they know all about which Congresscritter is doing what at any given time.

To me there's no point in getting to know the individuals, or even to know who is part of the Apple Dumpling Caucus and who is part of the Flaming Arrow Caucus.

I'll divide them into Gopes and conservatives. And define for myself what "conservative" means, regardless of what shows up on the back of their bubble gum card.

Ryan leads the Gopes. And he was a stuttering fustercluck of a miserable failure on this.

So I'm just going to assume there are more people than this so-called "Freedom Caucus" who were opposed to his fustercluckery here.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:45 AM (TOk1P)

409

You want the best and brightest in your doctors or, at least, I do for mine. With the best training available.

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What you want? That's adorable.

Posted by: Ruling Elites at March 27, 2017 11:46 AM (7HtZB)

410 >>What I can't get over is how they were ignored until the last minute and all they got were threats -- when, as if you say, they are in safe districts. Makes absolutely no sense.

Possibly because it isn't true. This bill went through the normal, remember when everyone wanted normal process instead of back room legislating ... seems so last year, committee process which included 4 different committees and included Freedom Caucus members.

They were included, it's just that what they wanted wasn't enough to get passed but it was enough to stop the bill from passing. That's really the net of the problem, you have to have a bill that 1) can get passed and 2) is acceptable to the rules you are using.

Unlike what we hear from the media everyday, the Republicans have a very diverse group of people in Congress ranging from the Susan Collins types to the Jim Jordan types in both Houses. The Democrats have purged just about everyone who isn't far left so its a lot easier for them to be united. If all the Freedom Caucus' demands were met, which would not have been a reconciliation bill but leave that aside, they would have lost the more moderate members and we'd be having a similar discussion about them.

If they don't figure out how to work together soon we are going to see the same slow motion car wreck on tax reform.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:46 AM (/tuJf)

411 >>>You want the best and brightest in your doctors or, at least, I do for mine. With the best training available.

Yeah, not the DMV employees you get with Single Payer.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:46 AM (O7MnT)

412 CNN breathlessly reporting that Rep. Nunes disappeared into his residence and wasn't seen again for 8 hours.

Posted by: torabora at March 27, 2017 11:48 AM (unVX4)

413 Should Republicans have simply never promised to repeal Obamacare in the first place, if they had no plan/intention of doing so?

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:48 AM (O7MnT)

414
Sleep?

Sleep has always been easy for me. Hell,, sometimes I pass out just standing in the street...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 27, 2017 11:48 AM (HSmrB)

415 If forced to make a prediction, I'd say that he gets through without bombing the filibuster but with much noise from Senate Democrats.

Schumer will try to thread the needle between needing to keep the filibuster in place for next time and appeasing his base.

Since Schumer is bad at his job, I'm going to assume that he ends up pissing everyone off at the same time while doing it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:44 AM (mC1ZI)

Word on the street is they'll let Gorsuch slide through and filly bust every other nominee who comes up during the Trump era, especially if they're replacing Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg or any of the rest of "their" seats.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:49 AM (TOk1P)

416 The Good: A new female acquaintance just texted that they found her daughter's missing cat.

The Bad: It was pining for the fjords. An ex-cat.

The Ugly: It was in the dryer.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 11:49 AM (JO9+V)

417 wonderful painting. you might have used "the jolly boatmen" by bingham (national gallery). i recommended it to this site last year. it has been described as the most important genre painting in american history. for good reason.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 11:49 AM (WTSFk)

418 Should Republicans have simply never promised to repeal Obamacare in the first place, if they had no plan/intention of doing so?

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:48 AM (O7MnT)

What would they have done fundraising on?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 11:49 AM (493sH)

419 >>If they don't figure out how to work together soon we are going to see the same slow motion car wreck on tax reform.

If the GOP leadership insists that "the only bill we can pass" is one that leaves 99.5% of the tax code intact but takes care of the Donor class, that is what is likely to happen.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:49 AM (O7MnT)

420 You can get them. But we're talking situps on a slant bench, with serious weights in each hand, next to your ears. Pain, pain, pain. When you finish you feel like someone pummeled your gut.
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Or do chin-ups, with legs horizontal (in a pipestem). Two sets of 25: hands shoulder width, palms out and hands together, palms in.

You won't be thinking of your abs.

Posted by: fit in 10 minutes a day at March 27, 2017 11:49 AM (nIGPZ)

421 I'm a little relieved that I don't have to read Jack Straw's millions of one-note posts anymore. Has anyone seen him and Y not/Chemjeff in the same room?

Posted by: artemis at March 27, 2017 11:50 AM (AwPyG)

422 You want the best and brightest in your doctors or, at least, I do for mine. With the best training available.

Yeah, not the DMV employees you get with Single Payer.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:46 AM (O7MnT)

Well, no one with a picogram of brains is going to invest all of that expensive time and money- just to be able to practice their profession if the reward isn't there.

Waaaaaaaay too much of "healthcare reform" seems based on leftarded jealousy of income,

and none on, you know, actual human behavior and motivation.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 27, 2017 11:50 AM (vZ9Fw)

423 415 Word on the street is they'll let Gorsuch slide through and filly bust every other nominee who comes up during the Trump era, especially if they're replacing Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg or any of the rest of "their" seats.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:49 AM (TOk1P)

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Maybe McConnell should put together a proposal as likely to be taken up by Democrats as that lame proposal Schumer put together was going to be taken up by Republicans:

If you promise not to filibuster any future judicial appointees, we won't nuke the filibuster right now.

Then just nuke it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:50 AM (mC1ZI)

424 Mexico subway "penis seats" to punish male oppressors:

http://tinyurl.com/m24spuw

I'd have thought Japan would've been the promulgator of this little gem, but no, Mexico. Who'da thunk it.

Posted by: General Zod at March 27, 2017 11:50 AM (Bdeb0)

425 Should Republicans have simply never promised to repeal Obamacare in the first place, if they had no plan/intention of doing so?

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:48 AM (O7MnT)

They never would have gotten a majority in '10, '12, '14, or '16 had they said they weren't going to repeal.

Period.

They won't have a majority in '18 if they don't.

Bank on it.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:50 AM (TOk1P)

426 ... the oppression of the painting is not its provenance so much as it association with manifest destiny, etc.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 11:51 AM (WTSFk)

427 Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 11:49 AM (JO9+V)

And that put the last knife in my heart for the day.

I'm out.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 11:51 AM (X6fMO)

428 425 They won't have a majority in '18 if they don't.

Bank on it.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:50 AM (TOk1P)

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I'll take that bet.

People love their individual congress critters but hate everyone else's.

They'll still vote for their guy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:52 AM (mC1ZI)

429 >>If the GOP leadership insists that "the only bill we can pass" is one that leaves 99.5% of the tax code intact but takes care of the Donor class, that is what is likely to happen.

It's a lot more complicated than that. It will actually be harder to pass tax reform than it was to pass the Obamacare repeal bill and it will require Republicans to unite.

What do you think the odds of that are?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:52 AM (/tuJf)

430 ... but, hey, oppression is oppression and i guess we take it where we can get it these days!

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 11:52 AM (WTSFk)

431 I think the GOP may have been hoping they could get "Just a little bit pregnant" with the Obamacare repeal.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:53 AM (O7MnT)

432 Maybe McConnell should put together a proposal as likely to be taken up by Democrats as that lame proposal Schumer put together was going to be taken up by Republicans:

If you promise not to filibuster any future judicial appointees, we won't nuke the filibuster right now.

Then just nuke it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:50 AM (mC1ZI)

I get the impression McC likes the idea of a filly buster being available to him in the future, more than he likes the idea of getting Trump's nominees through.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:54 AM (TOk1P)

433 the Republicans have a very diverse group of people in Congress ranging from the Susan Collins types to the Jim Jordan types in both Houses. The Democrats have purged just about everyone who isn't far left so its a lot easier for them to be united.

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Donks goose step to the sound of the same drummer even if it is the exact opposite of the drum to which they goose stepping five minutes ago.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 27, 2017 11:54 AM (Nwg0u)

434 432 I get the impression McC likes the idea of a filly buster being available to him in the future, more than he likes the idea of getting Trump's nominees through.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:54 AM (TOk1P)

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He obviously does.

He very much buys into the idea of the comity and tradition of the Senate.

I was just wish casting.

Le sigh....

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:55 AM (mC1ZI)

435 They won't have a majority in '18 if they don't.

Bank on it.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:50 AM (TOk1P)

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I'll take that bet.

People love their individual congress critters but hate everyone else's.

They'll still vote for their guy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:52 AM (mC1ZI)

I'm hoping this is a moot argument. That they actually repeal the thing, but since I'm not expecting they will, I believe they will have a VERY hostile voter base, and will have nothing to offer them when the time comes to ask for money.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:56 AM (TOk1P)

436 GAINZZZZ with a Shake-Weight

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 27, 2017 11:56 AM (2x9LM)

437 (btw, for me the case to be made for arts funding by govt is funding for organizations, not artists: museums (for exhibitions), orchestras and dance troupes (for performances). these are very expensive operations that demand and live off of private subsidy and which can not typically sustain by ticket sales alone. should govt be involved? dunno. but the case is made and certainly is viable on the local level (millages, assessments and bonds). federal? no? ok.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 11:58 AM (WTSFk)

438 )

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 11:59 AM (WTSFk)

439 Heh. Carlos Danger is getting another shot.

#HumaPower!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 27, 2017 11:59 AM (2x9LM)

440
If they don't figure out how to work together soon we are going to see the same slow motion car wreck on tax reform. Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 11:46 AM (/tuJf)
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Gohmert saying no absolutely convinced me it was baaaaaad. The younger senators being against it I was counting on and kinda discounted, but even the 'moderates' had qualms, no thanks.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 27, 2017 11:59 AM (MIKMs)

441 435 I'm hoping this is a moot argument. That they actually repeal the thing, but since I'm not expecting they will, I believe they will have a VERY hostile voter base, and will have nothing to offer them when the time comes to ask for money.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 11:56 AM (TOk1P)

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I think that the overall composition of each congressional district makes it very unlikely that Republicans will get replaced with Democrats in a mid term for not passing legislation.

Republicans will still be able to make the argument of, "We didn't get you into this mess!" They'll have incumbency. I'm not sure how willing national Democrats will be in terms of heterodoxy in terms of the ACA, so the message on both sides will probably still be Republicans calling for its repeal and Democrats calling for "fixes" at most.

Sure, there will be pissed off segments of the base, but overall, I think that there won't be enough to tip the balance in enough races.

We'll see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 11:59 AM (mC1ZI)

442 436 GAINZZZZ with a Shake-Weight
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 27, 2017 11:56 AM (2x9LM)

With a refreshing spritz at the end of every workout!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 11:59 AM (0mRoj)

443 Or do chin-ups, with legs horizontal (in a pipestem). Two sets of 25: hands shoulder width, palms out and hands together, palms in.�You won't be thinking of your abs.
Posted by: fit in 10 minutes a day�

That hurts just thinking about it.

No I'll take my punishment laying down. On a slant bench.

I was just thinking - abs are like girly muscles. They don't become larger and more obvious unless you're using weights against them.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 12:00 PM (ZFUt7)

444 I should do that. I could do worse than say the rosary at night.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2017 11:39 AM
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That's my feeling too. And Mary promised many graces (15?) and an express ticket through Purgatory for those who prayed the Rosary. Win-win.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 27, 2017 12:00 PM (HiDrR)

445 I guess the problem with us is we don't think like politicians. We're stuck in this mindset of... If you say you're going to do something, you ought to do it, or at least try. But that's not how politicians think.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 12:00 PM (O7MnT)

446 440
Gohmert saying no absolutely convinced me it was baaaaaad. The younger senators being against it I was counting on and kinda discounted, but even the 'moderates' had qualms, no thanks.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 27, 2017 11:59 AM (MIKMs)

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The bill seems to have been the worst kind of compromise measure that pleases no one.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:01 PM (mC1ZI)

447 White Dwarf Orbiting a Black Hole Clocked At Moving 1% of the Speed of Light

From the sidebar.

This is a race thing isn't it?

Posted by: Diogenes at March 27, 2017 12:01 PM (0tfLf)

448 Can we get an "I keed, I keed" or some similar signaling of sarcasm on the labeling of Mr. and Mrs. John D. Rockefeller 3rd as "the third generation of a famous family of fascist oppressors." Because that family has done a heck of a lot of good for our country and for the world.

Posted by: m at March 27, 2017 12:02 PM (Gqgs8)

449 Any bets on whether or not the GOPe tries to save Ocare when it crashes?

Posted by: davidt at March 27, 2017 12:02 PM (XoldI)

450 Heh. Carlos Danger is getting another shot.
#HumaPower!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 27, 2017 11:59 AM
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Heh. For "spousal privilege" considerations no doubt.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 27, 2017 12:02 PM (HiDrR)

451 431
I think the GOP may have been hoping they could get "Just a little bit pregnant" with the Obamacare repeal.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 11:53 AM (O7MnT)

What they were trying to pass last week certainly was no repeal.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 27, 2017 12:02 PM (jxbfJ)

452 Judicial meeting: Feinstein complaining about Garland not getting a vote and also evil Dark Money (only for R's of course).

Somebody once said "Elections have consequences."

Yep.

Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 12:02 PM (hdpay)

453 I guess the problem with us is we don't think like politicians. We're stuck in this mindset of... If you say you're going to do something, you ought to do it, or at least try. But that's not how politicians think.
Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 12:00 PM
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That's because we have scruples and politicians have screwples.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 27, 2017 12:05 PM (HiDrR)

454 ... e.g. a museum mounts an exhibit of leonardo da vinci to travel to 3 other museums (to spread costs which are sky high for insurance, etc.). should the n.e.a. kick in some $$ to make it happen? a lot of people would love to see a leonardo exhibit. in other words, there is a public benefit.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 12:06 PM (WTSFk)

455 White Dwarf Orbiting a Black Hole Clocked At Moving 1% of the Speed of Light

but but but - climate change

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 27, 2017 12:06 PM (FZYNt)

456 It occurs to me that you've been saying about Abzz isn't just true of Abzz. I'd like to have huge biceps, but my arms aren't constructed that way. They're abnormally long... I need like a 37" sleeve on my shirt. So building them up is hard.

The guys who have it easiest are the shorter guys, like 5'6. With less musculature they get ripped more easily.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 12:07 PM (O7MnT)

457 I like the colors in this and the riverboat off in the distance. Neat picture.

I also wish RuPaul didn't have a wang. So many confused boners...

Speaking of confused boners, I'm not really worried about the healthcare 'debacle'. And I'm not worried about Trump courting democrats. I'm fully expecting him to bend them to his will.

Also, I like Rottweliers. There, random thoughts, now back to work.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 27, 2017 12:08 PM (zsHGH)

458 White Dwarf Orbiting a Black Hole Clocked At Moving 1% of the Speed of Light

*****

That Robert Reich is deceptively speedy for a man his age.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 27, 2017 12:09 PM (lHb9q)

459 ... on the one hand, you can say "those snooty smarty pants want a leonardo da vinci exhibit, let them pay for it themselves." on the other hand, you cbd might want to see it!

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 12:09 PM (WTSFk)

460 I'd have thought Japan would've been the promulgator of this little gem, but no, Mexico. Who'da thunk it.
Nah, Japan isn't full of SJWs. They combat the "oppression of women on the subway" by having women-only cars where they can't be groped. (By men, anyway; maybe they're a lesbian perv's paradise).

Doing something symbolic and snarky that doesn't accomplish anything, like an anatomically-correct mannequin molded into a seat? That's the Western SJW... or the whole Western Left, really.

Posted by: mikeski at March 27, 2017 12:10 PM (81V3b)

461
should the n.e.a. kick in some $$ to make it happen? a lot of people would love to see a leonardo exhibit. in other words, there is a public benefit.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 12:06 PM (WTSFk)

I think that's exactly the type of thing the N.E.A. should be doing.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 12:10 PM (lKyWE)

462 >>Gohmert saying no absolutely convinced me it was baaaaaad. The younger senators being against it I was counting on and kinda discounted, but even the 'moderates' had qualms, no thanks.

Eh, I don't make my decision based on what any individual congressman says. Ted Poe, who was also a member of the Freedom Caucus said it wasn't great but it was a good enough start and he was a yes vote. He quit the Caucus over their stance.

Tax reform is going to go through the same reconciliation process although they will have to pass a 2018 budget resolution first so gird your loins, it's going to get bumpy.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 12:11 PM (/tuJf)

463 Also, I like Rottweliers. There, random thoughts, now back to work.
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They have such sweet smiles and happy, lazy dispositions -- but can get up and move when necessary.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 27, 2017 12:11 PM (MIKMs)

464 "If they don't figure out how to work together soon we are going to see the same slow motion car wreck on tax reform."

Healthcare is closer to a binary Yes or No thing.

With Taxes and Infrastructure Trump can horse trade and punish, carrots and sticks. It'll look like big city government politicking. Freedom Caucus may get shut out, if Trump can peel off enough Ds. Trump will want to fuck Schumer over.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 12:11 PM (SIY7D)

465 Seven-Minute...er...no

...Six-Minute Abs

Posted by: Muldoon at March 27, 2017 12:12 PM (lHb9q)

466 If judge Gorsuch thinks he can burn me at the stake he'll have to get past my AR-15 ghost guns that can fire thirty clips a second!

Posted by: Diane Feinstein at March 27, 2017 12:12 PM (FqgrG)

467 401 Any prognosticators out there think they know what will happen w/Gorsuch? It's just unfriggin' believable to me that the same D(crat)-bags who confirmed him for Federal judgeship now have a problem w/him on SCOTUS.
I'm really curious, do you think the Rs have the sack to go nuclear? Will they have to?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 27, 2017 11:42 AM (ty7RM)

I hope he does. Makes it easier to laugh in the Dem's faces when Ginsberg croaks and we get to appoint someone to her chair.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 27, 2017 12:12 PM (KUaJL)

468 White Dwarf Orbiting a Black Hole Clocked At Moving 1% of the Speed of Light

Captain, the engines are giving it everything they've got but I don't think we can outrun it!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 12:12 PM (493sH)

469 It late to talk about the art in the art thread, I know, but have we talked about the boat?

It's all square and flat bottomed. It doesn't look very directional. Is that guy working a tiller to push it about?

I can see it as part of a train of towable barges. I wonder how these three scamps came to be floating downriver with firewood.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 27, 2017 12:13 PM (gIRsn)

470 "Sure, there will be pissed off segments of the base, but overall, I think that there won't be enough to tip the balance in enough races."

Which is why RyanCare should have died because of Ds in the Senate, not Rs in the House.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 12:14 PM (SIY7D)

471 I can see it as part of a train of towable barges. I wonder how these three scamps came to be floating downriver with firewood.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Midnight requisition.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 12:14 PM (DfQBn)

472 >>>>I guess the problem with us is we don't think like politicians. We're
stuck in this mindset of... If you say you're going to do something, you
ought to do it, or at least try. But that's not how politicians think.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 12:00 PM

~~~~~

That's because we have scruples and politicians have screwples.
.
.
.I was just talking about something similar with the checkout lady at Krogers the other day. They are now putting those anti theft RIF tags in almost every package of beef and they have to be deactivated at the checkout counter.

I asked the lady why and she said the theft rate is through the roof on beef especially. I said I can't understand how someone would even think about how they could get a rump roast out of the store without getting caught and said that means I would be a lousy criminal.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2017 12:14 PM (le7jz)

473 My bet is that Gorsuch gets filibustered. Not the best D move, but it's Schumer's best move for himself.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 12:15 PM (SIY7D)

474 White Dwarf Orbiting a Black Hole Clocked At Moving 1% of the Speed of Light

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Damn one percenters!

- Occupy Black Hole

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 27, 2017 12:15 PM (Nwg0u)

475 >>With Taxes and Infrastructure Trump can horse trade and punish, carrots and sticks. It'll look like big city government politicking. Freedom Caucus may get shut out, if Trump can peel off enough Ds. Trump will want to fuck Schumer over.

Not really for taxes. This would be the case if they were operating under normal legislative rules but they won't be unless Trump decided to go left and work with Dems which I think is unlikely.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 12:15 PM (/tuJf)

476 They are now putting those anti theft RIF tags in almost every package of beef and they have to be deactivated at the checkout counter.

I asked the lady why and she said the theft rate is through the roof on beef especially.

*****

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just put a couple cops on a steak-out?

Posted by: Muldoon at March 27, 2017 12:16 PM (lHb9q)

477 469: those are bargemen on the missouri or platte river. maybe with a cargo of pelts. beginning of taming the west. bingham made a number of paintings on the theme, "the jolly boatmen" being the most famous.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 12:16 PM (WTSFk)

478
- Occupy Black Hole
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler!

Where are all the white women at?

Posted by: Sheriff Bart at March 27, 2017 12:16 PM (FZYNt)

479 473 My bet is that Gorsuch gets filibustered. Not the best D move, but it's Schumer's best move for himself.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 12:15 PM (SIY7D)

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My hope is that they do it.

They don't need their entire caucus to go in on it, just 41 of them.

How scared are all 10 of those Democratic senators in states that Trump won who are up for re-election in 2018? Are they more scared of the activist left or of the wayward Trump voter?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:17 PM (mC1ZI)

480
I can see it as part of a train of towable barges. I wonder how these three scamps came to be floating downriver with firewood.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 27, 2017 12:13 PM (gIRsn)

Probably used as early pilot tugs too.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 12:17 PM (lKyWE)

481 "but they won't be unless Trump decided to go left and work with Dems which I think is unlikely."

He will if he has to, is my bet.

I'm Freedom Caucus in my heart, but I'm pragmatic.

e.g. I hate OCare with a passion but you can't turn back the clock.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 12:18 PM (SIY7D)

482 >>>I wonder how these three scamps came to be floating downriver with firewood.<<<

Old timey steamboats weren't fired by sustainable green unicorn farts like they are today.

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2017 12:19 PM (2Mnv1)

483 Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 11:19 AM (V+03K)

It was "Dark December, A Full Account of The Battle of the Bulge" by Robert Merriam.

Posted by: BignJames at March 27, 2017 12:19 PM (x9c8r)

484 "Are they more scared of the activist left or of the wayward Trump voter?"

Can depend a lot on whether Trump is judged successful (or only partly so because of D obstruction), meaning jobs up, border secured, etc.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 12:19 PM (SIY7D)

485 483 Posted by: JTB at March 27, 2017 11:19 AM (V+03K)

It was "Dark December, A Full Account of The Battle of the Bulge" by Robert Merriam.
Posted by: BignJames at March 27, 2017 12:19 PM (x9c8r)

I've been battling my bulge.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 12:20 PM (0mRoj)

486 >>I'm Freedom Caucus in my heart, but I'm pragmatic.

>>e.g. I hate OCare with a passion but you can't turn back the clock.

That's where I am. Hopefully, the members of the Freedom Caucus come around to this view because passing a 2018 budget resolution is gonna be nasty.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 12:20 PM (/tuJf)

487 I wonder how these three scamps came to be floating downriver with firewood.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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That's not firewood; it's sopressata.

Posted by: Giuseppi with the red bandana on the right at March 27, 2017 12:20 PM (HiDrR)

488 470 "Sure, there will be pissed off segments of the base, but overall, I think that there won't be enough to tip the balance in enough races."

Which is why RyanCare should have died because of Ds in the Senate, not Rs in the House.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 12:14 PM (SIY7D)

If you're the senate democrats, why would you actually want to fillibuster the bill? If I'm Chuck Schumer, I just tell the democrats to vote against it, then when the thing comes crashing down in a few years (because it will because it didn't fundamentally fix any of Obamacare's issues), the democrats get to look all high and mighty with having voted against it which gives the mandate for single payor. This depends on the democrats getting back into power at some point in the future, sure, but probability tells us that that's going to happen eventually, and probably in 8 years, if not 4.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 27, 2017 12:21 PM (KUaJL)

489 ... they may not have pelts, they may have trade goods for the indians or mountain men to get pelts. it was a big business. astor did a lot to establish the fur trade early on. in fact, green bay was founded on the fur trade i believe very early.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 12:21 PM (WTSFk)

490 Chimp: feel free to donate to all the art organizations you wish.

Just stop confiscating other people's money, under threat of violence, for your luxuries.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at March 27, 2017 12:21 PM (VMBAP)

491 "but they won't be unless Trump decided to go left and work with Dems which I think is unlikely."

He will if he has to, is my bet.

I'm Freedom Caucus in my heart, but I'm pragmatic.

e.g. I hate OCare with a passion but you can't turn back the clock.

Thank God they could with the 21st Amendment!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 12:22 PM (DfQBn)

492 476 Wouldn't it be cheaper to just put a couple cops on a steak-out?

Posted by: Muldoon at March 27, 2017 12:16 PM (lHb9q)

Maybe. But, then, the cops' peers would give them a ribbing.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at March 27, 2017 12:22 PM (u9OP6)

493
>>e.g. I hate OCare with a passion but you can't turn back the clock.

2012 was the best shot at killing Obamacare.Thanks for nothing Mitt

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 12:23 PM (lKyWE)

494 Wouldn't it be cheaper to just put a couple cops on a steak-out?
Posted by: Muldoon at March 27, 2017 12:16 PM
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These crooks are pretty slick--usually have a couple covering their flanks.

Posted by: Giuseppi with the red bandana on the right at March 27, 2017 12:24 PM (HiDrR)

495 I've been battling my bulge.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 12:20 PM (0mRoj)

They can take care of that w/outpatient surgery. I think you lack conviction.

Posted by: BignJames at March 27, 2017 12:24 PM (x9c8r)

496 >>I wonder how these three scamps came to be floating downriver with firewood.

And that's why it's an interesting painting - there's a story there!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 12:24 PM (NOIQH)

497 It's all square and flat bottomed.

Where'd ya meet this lass?

Meanwhile boatwise I thought it was a tow-rope job because I didn't look close at the oars.

Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2017 12:24 PM (FhXTo)

498 STOP BEING DIVISIVE. I WILL NOT DIVIDE FROM YOU, BUT YOU SURE SEEM TO WANT TO DIVIDE FROM ME!

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 27, 2017 12:24 PM (vRcUp)

499 Wouldn't it be cheaper to just put a couple cops on a steak-out?

Posted by: Muldoon at March 27, 2017 12:16 PM (lHb9q)

Maybe. But, then, the cops' peers would give them a ribbing.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at March 27, 2017 12:22 PM (u9OP6)

Not if they were well seasoned.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 12:24 PM (JO9+V)

500 How scared are all 10 of those Democratic senators in states that Trump won who are up for re-election in 2018? Are they more scared of the activist left or of the wayward Trump voter?

It's telling the principle doesn't even enter into the calculus. It's all about spite for Republicans not appointing anti-gun liberal Merrick Garland to the Court, and fear of their violent, stupid 'Antifa' base.

On qualifications along, Gorsuch should be a shoo-in. But it's not about qualifications, is it?

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 12:25 PM (O7MnT)

501
Maybe. But, then, the cops' peers would give them a ribbing.
Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at March 27, 2017 12:22 PM (u9OP6)

A rump roast

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 12:25 PM (lKyWE)

502 490 mr. crawford: arts funding is largely private in america. wealthy donors and corporations. govt. funding is minor. i'm not advocating federal funding, only saying that is the case that is made.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 12:26 PM (WTSFk)

503 It was a dark and stormy December. Suddenly, an artillery barrage erupted.

- Army Historian Edward George Bulwer-Lytton

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 27, 2017 12:26 PM (Nwg0u)

504 Insty offers up this cheery option: McCain and a couple others may keep the Senate from approving the elimination of the filibuster, and that would let the Dems sink Gorsuch.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2017 12:27 PM (tewYv)

505 #472 I said I can't understand how someone would even think about how they could get a rump roast out of the store without getting caught and said that means I would be a lousy criminal.

When I was much younger I worked in loss prevention as a store detective. Trust me, a rump roast is nothin'.

Oh the stories I could tell. How about some intrepid criminals wheeling an entire display of watches out to the parking lot on one of the store's own stock carts and loading it into a van? Or the guy with 12 multi-packs of underwear stuffed down his "booster bloomers." Or 2 working together who tried to house over 600.00 worth of batteries at once.

I had to get out of that line of work. It was destroying my faith in humanity.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 12:27 PM (ul9CR)

506 Out flank them.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at March 27, 2017 12:28 PM (3goJJ)

507 This thread is starting to smell like low tide.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 27, 2017 12:28 PM (ymRuQ)

508 Who the fuck elected McLame POTUS anyway?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 12:28 PM (ul9CR)

509 They huntin' gators?

Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (HgMAr)

510 500 It's telling the principle doesn't even enter into the calculus. It's all about spite for Republicans not appointing anti-gun liberal Merrick Garland to the Court, and fear of their violent, stupid 'Antifa' base.

On qualifications along, Gorsuch should be a shoo-in. But it's not about qualifications, is it?
Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 12:25 PM (O7MnT)

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I can't get mad at Democrats for not bowing to his qualifications.

We wouldn't bow to a judge's qualifications if he was saying stuff like, "Black people are obviously being victimized by the police," or whatever.

Ideology always plays a hand, and that's fine. It's just reality.

The thin veneer they're placing on top of their objection is something no one buys.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (mC1ZI)

511 @WhatWhatWhat?

I could tell a tale or two about working Door at New York West (strip club) or working security in a campustown convenience store.

Guys would nuke a burrito and put the SCALDING HOT burrito down their pants to try to sneak it out.

It never worked. The screams were funny, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (zsHGH)

512 e.g. a museum mounts an exhibit of leonardo da vinci to travel to 3
other museums (to spread costs which are sky high for insurance, etc.).
should the n.e.a. kick in some $$ to make it happen?

A private organization could also accomplish this.

The idea sounds reasonable, but 1) the money will be taken from all taxpayers for the benefit of a tiny fraction who live near the chosen museums (which will be in NYC, California, and possibly Chicago, because they always are) and 2) the agency will start with Good Art like the Leonardo and end up funding drag puppet shows because that's what always happens.

FWIW, I have seen two Raphaels--coincidentally paintings of the same woman, at different times--one at the Indianapolis Museum of Art and one at the Milwaukee Art Museum, and the security, transportation, and insurance for both exhibitions were funded entirely with private money.

Posted by: Heide Radieshen at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (CSwR8)

513 Are we back to Let it Burn? Seems the Freedom caucus is.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (l513m)

514 479 473 My bet is that Gorsuch gets filibustered. Not the best D move, but it's Schumer's best move for himself.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 12:15 PM (SIY7D)

My gut feel is after a lot of bluster and belly aching, they won't filibuster.

Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 12:30 PM (hdpay)

515 Can't wait to see Chelseas' tweet about Abe Lincolns' MAGA hat.

Posted by: Corona at March 27, 2017 12:30 PM (3/A/K)

516 >>Insty offers up this cheery option: McCain and a couple others may keep the Senate from approving the elimination of the filibuster, and that would let the Dems sink Gorsuch.

His girlfriend has been one of the most outspoken backers of Gorsuch and made it clear that he favors repealing the filibuster if it comes to that. McCain sort of went along with him last week.

I think he gets confirmed one way or the other.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 12:30 PM (/tuJf)

517 499 Wouldn't it be cheaper to just put a couple cops on a steak-out?

Posted by: Muldoon at March 27, 2017 12:16 PM (lHb9q)

Maybe. But, then, the cops' peers would give them a ribbing.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at March 27, 2017 12:22 PM (u9OP6)

Not if they were well seasoned.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 12:24 PM (JO9+V)

Aye, there's the rub.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at March 27, 2017 12:30 PM (u9OP6)

518 My bet is that Gorsuch gets filibustered. Not the best D move, but it's Schumer's best move for himself.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 12:15 PM (SIY7D)

My gut feel is after a lot of bluster and belly aching, they won't filibuster.
Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 12:30 PM (hdpay)

How did they delay the committee vote by 1 week? WTF did they do that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 12:31 PM (KlI/a)

519 Are we back to Let it Burn? Seems the Freedom caucus is.
_________________

So much for any hope of the relief in ammo prices...

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 12:31 PM (UmSfZ)

520 @mustbequantum

Yep, very scary in motion. Great guard dogs, not overly aggressive, depending on how they're raised.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 27, 2017 12:32 PM (zsHGH)

521 514 My gut feel is after a lot of bluster and belly aching, they won't filibuster.
Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 12:30 PM (hdpay)

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It'll be every one of the red state Democratic senators deciding, completely independently *wink wink* that they will let him through, bucking leadership.

This will, of course, piss off the Democratic base much more than endear them to the lost lifetime Democratic voter who voted for Trump in 2016.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:32 PM (mC1ZI)

522 when detroit went bankrupt the city pensioners wanted to sell the detroit inst. of arts (which was owned by the city). they brought in christie's to appraise the collection. is there a public benefit for the citizens now and in the future for the museum? or is the pension obligation more important?

the governor came up with a plan to raise private and state (michigan) funds to buy the art from the city and turn the museum private like almost all museums in america and which they should have done years ago.

i think philadelphia is the only other city owned large museum.

but i think michigan state funds were involved. should they have. dunno. but the case is made that the museum was an asset and benefit fr the citizens beyond the $$ alone.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 12:32 PM (WTSFk)

523 I've been battling my bulge.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner

This person is a FAKE. Even if you still have the disguting junk between your legs, you CANNOT get an erection if you are on estrogen therapy!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 12:32 PM (vRcUp)

524 There's nothing quite like a good rump roast.

Posted by: Hope's Rolo at March 27, 2017 12:32 PM (vtcmf)

525 Guys would nuke a burrito and put the SCALDING HOT burrito down their pants to try to sneak it out.

It never worked. The screams were funny, though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (zsHGH)

Just a burrito? Pikers.

Prosecuter May Li said when officers searched Banwell they found another four chilli peppers in his pocket, a stolen milk shake and fruit juice, and a clarinet stashed in his waist-band, which was missing from a music shop.

http://tinyurl.com/cnslex7

Posted by: Ruling Elites at March 27, 2017 12:32 PM (7HtZB)

526 "i'm not advocating federal funding, only saying that is the case that is made."

This is the only thing I've ever seen you discuss, and you're always making the statists' case. You're not informing us unwashed masses of anything -- we've heard all these excuses before.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at March 27, 2017 12:33 PM (VMBAP)

527 How did they delay the committee vote by 1 week? WTF did they do that?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 12:31 PM (KlI/a)
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More of these crazy "Senate Rules". Committee rules allow for a one week delay for consideration. They're only allowed to do it once per nominee.

Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 12:33 PM (hdpay)

528 527
More of these crazy "Senate Rules". Committee rules allow for a one week delay for consideration. They're only allowed to do it once per nominee.

Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 12:33 PM (hdpay)

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Don't even think of changing that rule.

It's in the constitution. I forgot where.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:34 PM (mC1ZI)

529 A rump roast
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic
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Policemans Ball

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 27, 2017 12:35 PM (NBHj5)

530 Is that a clarinet in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Posted by: Mai Li at March 27, 2017 12:35 PM (vtcmf)

531 I like big rump roasts.

Posted by: Sir Mix A Lot at March 27, 2017 12:35 PM (XoldI)

532 Don't even think of changing that rule.

It's in the constitution. I forgot where.

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It's in the Donks win, America loses clause.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 27, 2017 12:36 PM (Nwg0u)

533 531 I like big rump roasts.
Posted by: Sir Mix A Lot at March 27, 2017 12:35 PM (XoldI)

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Don't lie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:36 PM (mC1ZI)

534 Is that a clarinet in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
Posted by: Mai Li at March 27, 2017 12:35 PM (vtcmf)
__________________

squeak!

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 12:36 PM (UmSfZ)

535 "but the case is made that the museum was an asset and benefit fr the citizens beyond the $$ alone."

Who fucking cares? "The case is made" about all sorts of stupid and evil things.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at March 27, 2017 12:37 PM (VMBAP)

536 It'll be every one of the red state Democratic senators deciding, completely independently *wink wink* that they will let him through, bucking leadership.

This will, of course, piss off the Democratic base much more than endear them to the lost lifetime Democratic voter who voted for Trump in 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:32 PM (mC1ZI)
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I'm getting the sense it's going to be a hybrid: Some vulnerable Red State Dem's and some from very safe states. Leahy and Durbin say they don't know how they're going to vote.

Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 12:37 PM (hdpay)

537 Don't even think of changing that rule.

It's in the constitution. I forgot where.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:34 PM (mC1ZI)

It's in the "Good and Plenty Clause" Duh!

Posted by: Timon at March 27, 2017 12:37 PM (27k1O)

538 The judiciary committee has a rule that any member can ask for a delay on voting a candidate out of committee for any reason or for no reason given. So that is what the Dems did.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 27, 2017 12:38 PM (yxZrv)

539 531 I like big rump roasts.
Posted by: Sir Mix A Lot at March 27, 2017 12:35 PM (XoldI)

Filet mignon face with a rump roast booty

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 12:38 PM (7HtZB)

540
More of these crazy "Senate Rules". Committee rules allow for a one week delay for consideration. They're only allowed to do it once per nominee.

Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 12:33 PM (hdpay)

Fuc No, no, no! No more! Not this time, Consigliere! No more meetin's! No more discussions! No more Democratic tricks! You give 'em one message - I want Gorsuch now! If not, it's all-out war, we go to the mattresses.k em:

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 12:38 PM (KlI/a)

541 Ashley cooks a great rump roast.

Posted by: Vincent H at March 27, 2017 12:38 PM (XoldI)

542 536 I'm getting the sense it's going to be a hybrid: Some vulnerable Red State Dem's and some from very safe states. Leahy and Durbin say they don't know how they're going to vote.
Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 12:37 PM (hdpay)

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That would be the safer play, wouldn't it?

As many safe, not up for re-election this year Democrats as possible. As long as they're "good" on everything else, no one will remember in a couple of cycles.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:39 PM (mC1ZI)

543 HR, been hoping to see you. Grandson is going to Germany on an exchange program this Spring. Not exactly sure where yet. Is it just the large cities that seem dangerous?

Posted by: Infidel at March 27, 2017 12:39 PM (uKRys)

544 Introducing the Pocket Burrito!

Posted by: Ron Popeil at March 27, 2017 12:40 PM (vtcmf)

545 Shit man...just read that Daniel Greenfield article in the morning thread. Damn that was a good read, he frigging nailed it.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 27, 2017 12:42 PM (aMlLZ)

546 Rep. Kevin Brady sure is getting a lot of face time on FOX news.
He should join Rove in the seasonal migration of the shit necked manatees.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 27, 2017 12:42 PM (ymRuQ)

547 "but the case is made that the museum was an asset and benefit fr the citizens beyond the $$ alone."

Who fucking cares? "The case is made" about all sorts of stupid and evil things.

Exactly! I think the pension payments and people being able to make their house payments and buy groceries are more important than a fourth grade field trip, but that's just me.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 12:43 PM (DfQBn)

548 This person is a FAKE. Even if you still have the disguting junk between your legs, you CANNOT get an erection if you are on estrogen therapy!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner

Not true. Between 0 and 10% of castrated rapists (chemically or physically castrated) go on to rape again. With an erection.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 12:43 PM (ZFUt7)

549 >>The thin veneer they're placing on top of their objection is something no one buys.

On that note, I thought the Republicans badly botched the opposition to Merrick Garland by harrumphing about "procedure" instead of saying, "Hey, this guy will gut the Second Amendment and rubber-stamp presidential authority."

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 12:43 PM (O7MnT)

550 And so it begins....

Italy could soon become the first Western country to offer paid "menstrual leave" to female workers.
The proposed law is currently being debated
in the country's parliament. If passed, itwould mandate that companies
enforce a menstrual leave policy and offer three paid days off each
month to working women who experience painful periods....
Alrighty! Who wants to hire more women?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 12:44 PM (NOIQH)

551 549 >>The thin veneer they're placing on top of their objection is something no one buys.

On that note, I thought the Republicans badly botched the opposition to Merrick Garland by harrumphing about "procedure" instead of saying, "Hey, this guy will gut the Second Amendment and rubber-stamp presidential authority."
Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 12:43 PM (O7MnT)

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They botched it so badly that Garland is on SCOTUS now!

I mean, seriously, politicians playing politics should never ever surprise anyone ever. And yet people keep being surprised by it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:44 PM (mC1ZI)

552 550 And so it begins....

Italy could soon become the first Western country to offer paid "menstrual leave" to female workers.
The proposed law is currently being debated
in the country's parliament. If passed, itwould mandate that companies
enforce a menstrual leave policy and offer three paid days off each
month to working women who experience painful periods....
Alrighty! Who wants to hire more women?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 12:44 PM (NOIQH)

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"We're not hiring you because you're a woman. We're hiring the guy because he's slightly more qualified than you."

"We have the exact same qualifications."

"Yeah, but he had an extra 2 weeks in the internship 20 years ago."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:46 PM (mC1ZI)

553 Not true. Between 0 and 10% of castrated rapists (chemically or physically castrated) go on to rape again. With an erection.

If they can physically do it, the wrong parts were taken off. IYKWIM.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 12:46 PM (DfQBn)

554
541 Ashley cooks a great rump roast.

Posted by: Vincent H at March 27, 2017 12:38 PM (XoldI)

Never heard of a rump roast being described as puffy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 27, 2017 12:46 PM (XWkhW)

555 544 Introducing the Pocket Burrito!
Posted by: Ron Popeil at March 27, 2017 12:40 PM (vtcmf)

You owe me a new monitor!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 12:47 PM (ul9CR)

556 Never heard of a rump roast being described as puffy.
____________

That's a NASTY rump roast.

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 12:47 PM (UmSfZ)

557 550 And so it begins....

Posted by: Lizzy

You're not the "the guy who always says 'and so it begins'" guy are you?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 27, 2017 12:48 PM (gIRsn)

558
On that note, I thought the Republicans badly botched the opposition to Merrick Garland by harrumphing about "procedure" instead of saying, "Hey, this guy will gut the Second Amendment and rubber-stamp presidential authority." Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 12:43 PM (O7MnT)

What? They made it a referendum on the election which is what it was.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 12:48 PM (lKyWE)

559 513 Are we back to Let it Burn? Seems the Freedom caucus is.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (l513m)

I think some old fashioned types are still hung up on wanting to know what's in legislation before passing it.

Posted by: President Bill Clinton at March 27, 2017 12:49 PM (/f1mm)

560 Italy could soon become the first Western country to offer paid "menstrual leave" to female workers. The proposed law is currently being debated in the country's parliament. If passed, itwould mandate that companies enforce a menstrual leave policy and offer three paid days off each month to working women who experience painful periods....
Alrighty! Who wants to hire more women?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 12:44 PM (NOIQH)

But but but.. I thought men and womyn were all the same, in fact we're always being told womyn are much stronger then men. So why don't they just power through it?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 12:49 PM (493sH)

561 Darned sock.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 27, 2017 12:49 PM (/f1mm)

562 offer three paid days off each month to working women who experience painful periods....

So, how many of you dudes would claim to be women, walk like cowboys and writhe around at your desks for a few hours to claim three days off...

Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2017 12:50 PM (TppKb)

563 I think they should have allowed the vote... Even though it wouldn't pass at least we would know where people stand... It couldn't look any worse than it does now...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 12:50 PM (O2RFr)

564 "So why don't they just power through it?"

Hillary! Powered through to the pavement.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 12:51 PM (hLRSq)

565 But but but.. I thought men and womyn were all the same, in fact we're always being told womyn are much stronger then men. So why don't they just power through it?

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#ButShePersistedInBloating

Posted by: Washington Senators at March 27, 2017 12:51 PM (PNcou)

566 564 "So why don't they just power through it?"

Hillary! Powered through to the pavement.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 12:51 PM (hLRSq)

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No she didn't. The MAN prevented her!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 12:51 PM (mC1ZI)

567 Hillary! Powered through to the pavement.

Bollards are your friend

Posted by: Hillary! at March 27, 2017 12:52 PM (O2RFr)

568 >>"Yeah, but he had an extra 2 weeks in the internship 20 years ago."

Heh.

Not only is it insane that they want to mandate that ~ half the potential workforce get an additional paid leave, 3 days /month (out of ~21 workdays), there's the issue with, er, cycle alignment. All the women in the office could be taking the same 3 days off. And while I can see where that could be a good thing - yay, time off from women at work! - it could get dicey when this overlaps with deadlines, or say, when its a small business and it would have no staff, etc.

This is not an advancement, this makes them a burden/risk in the workplace.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 12:52 PM (NOIQH)

569 563 I think they should have allowed the vote... Even though it wouldn't pass at least we would know where people stand... It couldn't look any worse than it does now...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 12:50 PM (O2RFr)

The folks that got a repeal bill through Congress and to Obama's desk last year?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 27, 2017 12:53 PM (/f1mm)

570 Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2017 12:50 PM (TppKb)

I will henceforth identify as a woman for three days each month.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 27, 2017 12:53 PM (mczip)

571 Wandered thru the break room. CNN blabbing about Trump's 13th visit to the golf course.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at March 27, 2017 12:53 PM (m3iiU)

572 Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 12:50 PM (O2RFr)

They certainly haven't covered themselves with glory, have they? They'll be back when the political pain of doing nothing is worse than the political pain of doing something.

Unfortunately, that doing something is going to be hasty and ill-considered and be a complete charlie foxtrot.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 12:53 PM (hLRSq)

573 "the case made" is a valid case imho. govts fund education. should they? there is a valid case to be made that education is a social and civic good and property owners who do not have children are taxed to pay for elementary schools. perhaps they shouldn't have to.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 12:53 PM (WTSFk)

574 Hey you all see where Ted Koppel said to Hannity's face that he was bad for America?I thought he was a great American....

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 12:54 PM (O2RFr)

575
But but but.. I thought men and womyn were all the same, in fact we're always being told womyn are much stronger then men.

They can't be boatmen

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 12:54 PM (lKyWE)

576 Can't they just invent something so that employees can have some days each year where they choose to not go to work for whatever reasons they think valid and still be paid?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 27, 2017 12:54 PM (PNcou)

577 562 offer three paid days off each month to working women who experience painful periods....
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To keep the gender-equity scales balanced, men will be henceforth be allowed an hour a day for wanking on company time.

Posted by: The Italian EPA at March 27, 2017 12:54 PM (4bKiB)

578 If the press would have or still report on the Joe Biden Rule, any Garland controversy would have been eliminated. Much like the Dems vote on Iraq when Clinton was President and Obama's identification of the seven banned countries, it doesn't matter that the Dems did the exact same thing they are screaming bloody murder about now.

You can't work or compromise with opposition that does this . They have declared war. You have to recognize this and plan accordingly.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 27, 2017 12:54 PM (l513m)

579 Italy could soon become the first Western country to offer paid "menstrual leave" to female workers. The proposed law is currently being debated in the country's parliament. If passed, itwould mandate that companies enforce a menstrual leave policy and offer three paid days off each month to working women who experience painful periods....
Alrighty! Who wants to hire more women?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 12:44 PM (NOIQH)

I'm sure this will have no unintended consequences and everything will turn out exactly as the lawmakers are envisioning.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 27, 2017 12:54 PM (KUaJL)

580 Are they raping with only 10% of their erection? I'm confused.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 27, 2017 12:54 PM (SEy7A)

581 I come to work to get away from menstruation at home.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 27, 2017 12:55 PM (SEy7A)

582 I menstruate spiritually, but not physically.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 12:56 PM (vRcUp)

583 Lawmakers in Canada have surpassed all expectations of stupidity - they won't let this Moron have his own surname on a personalized plate, because some may find it offensive:
https://tinyurl.com/kw2ewya

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at March 27, 2017 12:56 PM (oQQwD)

584
My friends, you don't have to be afraid of CharlieBrown'sDildo in the ladies room three days per month.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 12:56 PM (ZFUt7)

585 We should have legislative menstrual leave.

Posted by: Miss Lindsey at March 27, 2017 12:57 PM (vtcmf)

586 Ashley's rump roast has been overly tenderized.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 27, 2017 12:57 PM (ymRuQ)

587 I menstruate spiritually, but not physically.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 12:56 PM (vRcUp)

Caitlyn, you're past that age wise, so you menopause spiritually...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 12:57 PM (O2RFr)

588 They can't be boatmen
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 12:54 PM (lKyWE)

Where?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 27, 2017 12:58 PM (SEy7A)

589 They can't be boatmen
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 12:54 PM (lKyWE)

"Persons of boat".

Please.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 27, 2017 12:58 PM (8nWyX)

590 Ashley's rump roast has been overly tenderized.
______________

That's what she says...

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 12:58 PM (UmSfZ)

591 Lorne Grabher

I don't get it. Lorne is a nice, typical Canadian name.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 12:58 PM (ul9CR)

592 >>Hey you all see where Ted Koppel said to Hannity's face that he was bad for America?I thought he was a great American....

Gah, I saw that CBS Morning Show segment yesterday. It was so predictable. Talk radio and Fox News created a rift in America by providing different (read: fake) news --- which resulted in Trump! Koppel was patronizing, saying, "But you're dangerous because you're so effective at telling people what they want to hear!" Hannity laughed it off.

After interviewing Hannity and Spicer, Koppel interviews NYT editor and pleads with him to heal America. Pu-lease.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 12:58 PM (NOIQH)

593 Must be a slow news day.

Posted by: Jaimo at March 27, 2017 12:59 PM (9U1OG)

594 ... when the people of indiana wrote a state constitution they included a provision to pay for a college system (i think it's in their constitution). imho that's admirable. those farmers weren't so dumb. they saw the value of education for their children.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 01:00 PM (WTSFk)

595 559 513 Are we back to Let it Burn? Seems the Freedom caucus is.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (l513m)

I think some old fashioned types are still hung up on wanting to know what's in legislation before passing it.
Posted by: President Bill Clinton at March 27, 2017 12:49 PM (/f1mm)

What's in the Freedom caucuses bill? Have you read it?

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 27, 2017 01:00 PM (l513m)

596
Where?
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 27, 2017 12:58 PM (SEy7A)

On the Missouri

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 01:00 PM (lKyWE)

597 It never occurs to senile farts like Ted Koppel that if the media hadn't become shills for the Democrat Party, they wouldn't be in the position where nobody listens to them.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 01:00 PM (O7MnT)

598 If women can get three days off per month for menstrual pain, I should get three Mondays off per month during football season.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (LTHVh)

599 "Persons of boat".

Please.

Posted by: hogmartin

Obviously, seamen is out.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (ZFUt7)

600 Honest question: Do the Republicans really want to govern, or do they just want to scream about not having enough votes, collect a paycheck and campaign for their next election?

/also make sure they don't offend any Democrats so they get invited to all the cool 'pizza parties'

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (FkAXz)

601
You know whos' got the best rump roast? Chelsey. It's totally presidential...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (HSmrB)

602 The Failure Caucus doesn't bother with silly concepts like "having bills."

That would be too much like governing.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (ul9CR)

603 Hey, CBD, I really like this painting, too! There's something about it that makes me happy and proud to be American ( maybe that the subjects were entrepreneurs?)...its style reminds me of the way my artist-cowboy-neighbor paints .

Also, keep yourself out of the ladies' room, even for only 3 days a month. Ladies' rooms are gross.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (oQQwD)

604 After interviewing Hannity and Spicer, Koppel interviews NYT editor and pleads with him to heal America. Pu-lease. Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 12:58 PM (NOIQH)
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I must atone for the nightly hostage crisis broadcasts that elected Reagan.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (MIKMs)

605
After interviewing Hannity and Spicer, Koppel interviews NYT editor and pleads with him to heal America. Pu-lease.

For the NYT to fail would go a long way toward healing 'Merica, so by all means...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (XGabL)

606
The NASDAQ went positive, S&P is now flat and the Dow has come back almost flat as well. CNBC (the Trump slump) hit hardest

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (493sH)

607 SEAMAN IS OUT?!

Posted by: CNN at March 27, 2017 01:02 PM (LTHVh)

608 Mid-Morning thread still up at 1:10 PM

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 01:02 PM (r/0kC)

609 there are state universities throughout the country. should states be in the business of diverting tax $$ to educate a relatively small number of citizens? most states have said yes.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 01:03 PM (WTSFk)

610 But but but.. I thought men and womyn were all the same, in fact we're always being told womyn are much stronger then men.

Hey buddy, I'm stronger than most men, and women.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 01:03 PM (vRcUp)

611 Mid-Morning thread still up at 1:10 PM

Only 10:10 here on the left coast...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 01:03 PM (O2RFr)

612 I heard Mike Cernovich was on 60 Minutes and really gave it to Scott Pelly. Did anyone see it?

Posted by: Independent George at March 27, 2017 01:03 PM (BDZWU)

613 ... are state universities among those "stupid and evil" govt. endeavors?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 01:03 PM (WTSFk)

614
1) Vote for Socialized Medicine
2) ?
3) Free Market!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 27, 2017 01:03 PM (LTHVh)

615
Sean Spicer up shortly.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 01:04 PM (ZFUt7)

616 Methinks ol' Ted Koppel needs a long vacation away from NYC.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 01:04 PM (JO9+V)

617 >> The Failure Caucus doesn't bother with silly concepts like "having bills."

Yeah, name-calling is real sophisticated. Since the Ryan bill failed to actually repeal Obamacare as the GOP promised, and since the mainstream GOP has been playing "Failure Theater" for a decade now, why aren't they the "Failure Caucus?"

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 01:05 PM (O7MnT)

618 *looks around*

No nood? Someone tell Zoot to light the Ewok signal lamp.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 27, 2017 01:05 PM (p+Wdc)

619 Methinks ol' Ted Koppel needs a long vacation away from NYC.

I hear Syria is lovely this time of year...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 01:05 PM (O2RFr)

620 611 Shit,if ace switches to West coast time he will saunter in after 4 every day

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 01:05 PM (r/0kC)

621 >>are state universities among those "stupid and evil" govt. endeavors?

Given the trend toward safe spaces and Play Doh therapy and offering majors in things like women's studies or black studies instead of actually teaching relevant topics I'd half to say at this point, yes they are.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 01:05 PM (/tuJf)

622 587 I menstruate spiritually, but not physically.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 27, 2017 12:56 PM (vRcUp)

Caitlyn, you're past that age wise, so you menopause spiritually...
Posted by: It's Me donna at March 27, 2017 12:57 PM (O2RFr)

Shouldn't it be "xerstruate" & "xernopause"?

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 01:05 PM (7HtZB)

623 I would have to look this up, Italian politics can be...interesting.

I don't know this is really being pushed by women.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2017 01:05 PM (tewYv)

624 595 559 513 Are we back to Let it Burn? Seems the Freedom caucus is.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (l513m)

I think some old fashioned types are still hung up on wanting to know what's in legislation before passing it.
Posted by: President Bill Clinton at March 27, 2017 12:49 PM (/f1mm)

What's in the Freedom caucuses bill? Have you read it?

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 27, 2017 01:00 PM (l513m)

Only phase III. It's going to fix everything.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 27, 2017 01:06 PM (/f1mm)

625 have not half

more coffee

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 01:06 PM (/tuJf)

626 >>>Are state universities among those "stupid and evil" govt. endeavors?

They weren't until the late sixties when they got taken over by the Socialist Left and started churning out Gender Studies degrees.

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 01:06 PM (O7MnT)

627 Big Tampon is behind the bill in Italy.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 01:06 PM (JO9+V)

628 1) Vote for Socialized Medicine
2) ?
3) Free Market!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 27, 2017 01:03 PM
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1) Vote for Socialized Medicine
2) ?
3) Utopia!

FIFY

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 01:07 PM (FkAXz)

629 Honest question: Do the Republicans really want to govern, or do they just want to scream about not having enough votes, collect a paycheck and campaign for their next election?

/also make sure they don't offend any Democrats so they get invited to all the cool 'pizza parties'

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 01:01 PM (FkAXz)

Sadly for Republicans in Washington, unlike the Dems in Washington, they don't believe in the stuff their voters want them to say in order to get elected.

So no, they don't want to govern. They seem to enjoy the fine Corinthian leather of their office couches, and the live boys or girls or sheep of their choice to help break in said couches.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 01:07 PM (TOk1P)

630 613 ... are state universities among those "stupid and evil" govt. endeavors?
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You know, if you'd asked this question 20 years ago, it would have been much easier to give the answer you're looking for.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 27, 2017 01:08 PM (4bKiB)

631 >>Big Tampon is behind the bill in Italy.

Big Pamprin!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 01:08 PM (NOIQH)

632 nood

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 27, 2017 01:08 PM (WPSd5)

633 Obviously, seamen is out.

ISWYDT....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 27, 2017 01:08 PM (i0ykY)

634 Westminster killer Khalid Masood's teenage daughter defied his orders to wear a burqa - and headed to a school prom night in a �revealing backless dress. http://nyp.st/2o9Qrjo

disturbingly hot, that one.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 27, 2017 01:08 PM (LTHVh)

635 By the way, there's an idiot economics professor who says poor people in America are worse off than those in Africa or India because it's so hard to apply for benefits here.

I am not making this up.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/03/angus-deaton-qa/518880/

Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2017 01:11 PM (O7MnT)

636 Are we back to Let it Burn? Seems the Freedom caucus is.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 27, 2017 12:29 PM (l513m)

Who named them the "Freedom Caucus?"

Did they come up with it themselves? Is so... dumb.

If the left/media came up with it, then everyone else parroting the term is another example of the language being controlled by the left.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 01:11 PM (TOk1P)

637 621 & 626: yes.

i grew up going to public schools in the suburbs. the system worked well. but in a city like detroit where the school system has failed, that civic good is brought into question. private alternatives are worthy and worthy of subsidization. right?

it's really a shame. imo, the civic good of the public school system is worth it. sad to see it crumble.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 01:13 PM (WTSFk)

638 I would have to look this up, Italian politics can be...interesting.

I don't know this is really being pushed by women.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2017 01:05 PM (tewYv)

Growing up with Italian women on both sides of the family, I'm sooo betting on its the men pushing this.

I can just hear the back room discussions ... Mario, a what da fucka we goona do ah? Dissa bitcha bad enough when a dey not a ridin da cotton, but disa week she bonga bonga people at worg ona da head with a da wooden spoon. Dey needa to go da fucka home.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 27, 2017 01:15 PM (aMlLZ)

639 should the govt provide vouchers for private education of children? that is a question on the table now.

why should i pay with my taxes fror someone to send their kid to a private school?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 01:16 PM (WTSFk)

640 (btw: per wikipedia, green bay traces its origins to the establishment of a french fur trading outpost in 1634, making it one of the earliest european settlements in north america!)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 27, 2017 01:30 PM (WTSFk)

641 You ever wear a top hat?

They're silk. They're heavy. They're hot to wear. You don't see ventilation holes bored into top hats.

Thus, while it is an interesting artsy thing to do, and we've seen it in movies many times, in real life a person would rarely choose a top hat as their everyday hat. Even an old one, that you didn't care about ruining, is a bad choice anywhere that's hot or even just warm.

One of the great things about cowboy hats is that they are good looking AND functional.

Posted by: RobM1981 at March 27, 2017 01:34 PM (qlIZh)

642 #willowedWit

Should Lorne Grabher win his case to renew the personalized last-name license plate he's had for decades...

...he should get a license plate frame that, below the plate, says "by the pu$$y"...

Goooood afternoon, morning threaders.

Posted by: mindful webworker - self-denouncing in 3... 2... at March 27, 2017 02:11 PM (mkW7v)

643 Gee Huck, I doan think that The Duke & The King were dukes and kings at all!

Posted by: Things Jim might have said at March 27, 2017 05:04 PM (ndGCC)

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