George Bush Criticizes Trump

After eight years of silence on Obama, now he's got some advice for a president.

Former President George W. Bush offered what appeared to be a thinly veiled critique of his Republican successor on Monday, as he defended the importance of the media and immigration policies that are "welcoming."
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"I am for an immigration policy that's welcoming and upholds the law," Bush said.

On the term "Islamic terrorism:"

He also echoed the reported comments of new National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, refusing to term terrorism as inherently Islamic.
"People who murder the innocent are not religious people," Bush said. "They want to advance an ideology. And we have faced those kind of ideologues in the past."

On Trump's battle with the press:

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"I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy," Bush said. "That we need an independent media to hold people like me to account. Power can be very addictive. And it can be corrosive."

And:

"One of the things I spent a lot of time doing was trying to convince a person like Vladimir Putin, for example, to accept the notion of an independent press," said Bush, who cautioned that "it's kind of hard to tell others to have an independent free press and we’re not willing to have one ourself."

Do we not have that now? Is the press being "chilled"? Are they so frightened by Trump they're rolling over for him?

Seems not. Pro-Tip: People who are calling someone "Hitler" with no fear of doing so are probably wrong in calling that person "Hitler."

On claims that Russia had contact with members of Trump's team, and the need for a special prosecutor:

Bush said it was important to know the truth about any relationship between Russia and members of the current administration -- "I think we all need answers -- but dodged when asked if a special prosecutor was required to look into collusion allegations.

The only supportive thing Bush said is that people should "take a man for his word" when Trump says he wants to unify the country. He did point out that Trump had only been in office for a month.

Most of Bush's statements are fairly anodyne Beltway pablum. In context, though -- being specifically prodded to criticize Trump -- they're a Beltway pablum rebuke.

Eh. Seems to me that by criticizing Putin, Bush is guilty of a LOGAN ACT VIOLATION.

Clips of the Matt Lauer (!!!) interview here.

One thing that strikes me is that Bush was pretty ignorant of the press as president or at least posed as being ignorant of them. On one hand, I guess, he was trying to float above them.

On the other hand, he very rarely rebutted the actual opposition party in the country, the national media, and I know many of his supporters pulled their hair out begging for him to actually do some presidential communications on this front. (And trying, futilely, to do for Bush what he couldn't or wouldn't do for himself.)

Strange to me that guy whose Administration was hit by a thousand Grim Milestones and cooked-up scandals (Valerie Plame, for example) would be so kind to the media.

My theory is that both the Democrats and the semi-deposed Establishment GOP have few hands at the levers of power -- except for their friends in the media and the permanent DC bureaucracy, so both have some investment in cultivating those power centers and pushing for them to have continued power.

Or even expanded power: Bill Kristol tweeted he favored the Deep State over the Trump state.

In the Democrats' case, it's just more of their same strategy of 60 years. In the Establishment GOP's case, it's making peace with an old adversary to destroy an even more dangerous, existential-threat adversary.

It just surprises me -- in a way that perhaps it should not -- that so many "conservatives" are now taking the media's side, as it's tottering and wounded in a way that it has literally never been in my lifetime.

For some, it seems, the leftist media isn't the hero they deserve, but it's the hero they need.

Clarification: There is no doubt it is best to have a fair and independent press, just as there is no doubt it is best to have a sober and kind mother.

But what if the press is unfair, biased, incompetent, and lies like an actual propaganda outfit?

Wouldn't you prefer they recognized the problem and reformed themselves?

Similarly, yes, you'd like a sober and kind mother. But what if a mother is a chronic junkie and abusive to her children? Shouldn't she de-toxify herself both chemically and psychologically?

And if you don't insist on that -- but just babble on about how important a mother is, no matter how unmotherly she may be -- aren't you just a damn enabler to evil?

A lot of "conservatives" -- Crocservatives, let's call them -- seem to be defending the media while the media still refuses to admit it's done a damn thing wrong, and in fact is just doubling down on all its sins.

Mollie Hemingway makes this point a lot. She's often badgered, "Don't we need an adversarial media?" She says yes, but then points out the need to reform.

No one in the media, nor the Democrats, nor the Establishment GOP, wants a reformed media. Not now, certainly.

They want it in full partisan War Room mode, because they are short of generals in their armies at the moment.

So to avoid conceding the very real need for media reform and reflection, they dodge the question by framing the only question as "Isn't the media important?"

Why yes, yes it is. And a mother is important too.

But when I tell her to get off the crack, she shouldn't keep telling me that mothers are important and that it's unamerican to criticize moms (or apple pie or baseball).

It's also amusing to me that an industry devoted to the idea that they should lodge criticisms of other institutions and the targeted institutions should change their behavior in conformance with the media's preferences itself refuses to change its behavior, or even to recognize the legitimacy of criticism of itself at all.

Hey media, know what else is an important institution that protects and defends our freedoms?

The military.

Have you ever taken that to mean that the military is beyond criticism? Have you ever accepted the proposition that criticizing the media was unamerican and dangerous to our very survival as a republic?

Or did you always snicker smugly at that, knowing that scoundrels often wrap themselves in the flag and deem all critics to be traitors?

What's the difference in your case, assholes?

Are you just a special Revolutionary Vanguard with greater rights and privileges with all the sub-castes beneath you?

Posted by: Ace at 04:00 PM

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1 George needs to be quiet for another eight years.

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 04:01 PM (iT57s)

2 1st?!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:01 PM (wmaTe)

3 Close enough

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:01 PM (wmaTe)

4 st?

Posted by: redc1c4, at February 27, 2017 04:02 PM (joq+X)

5 th

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:02 PM (EvBgT)

6 On the "Bush" so-called attack on Trump's muzzie ban et al:

It came from the Today Show, i.e. NBC so is suspect right off the top.

Bush has always been somewhat of a RINO and would have been worse if not for 911. And even after 911 his "religion of peace statement" was a load of horseshit. He has made himself blind to the true nature of muzzies.

He should stick to ranching and STFU.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 27, 2017 04:02 PM (mpXpK)

7 He never defended his own f-ing Administration.

He never said boo about the Obama Mis Administration.

Why is he attacking a GOP Administaration?

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 04:03 PM (iT57s)

8 I wish he's shut up for the next 8-16 years.

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:03 PM (c6/9Q)

9 for years i've defended GWB...

after today?

fuck that useless RINO POS, with a flaming porcupine, and shove it in with a tanker's bar.

he's dead to me.

Posted by: redc1c4, at February 27, 2017 04:03 PM (joq+X)

10 Apparently the only permanent win W made that matters is beating McCain.

Posted by: SomeGreekAngletoIt at February 27, 2017 04:03 PM (8J/Te)

11 Bush needs to crawl back under that ranch in Texas. Offered nothing about JEF, but 2 months in, opening up about the guy who beat his little brother. Pathetic man.

Posted by: keena at February 27, 2017 04:03 PM (w9KfV)

12 "People who murder the innocent are not religious people," Bush said. "They want to advance an ideology. "

Because no political ideology has ever been based on religion. Ever.

&^%$^*%$*%^$

Posted by: Half of Chechnya at February 27, 2017 04:03 PM (CPk08)

13 @2: "Close enough"

Your parents must be proud of your participation trophies.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 04:03 PM (qXXFv)

14 Ooops, sock stuck in croc

Posted by: DaveA at February 27, 2017 04:04 PM (8J/Te)

15 Guy filling in for Dennis Prager was taking GWB to the wood shed

Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2017 04:04 PM (HDU3V)

16 Does anyone have a list of the media outlets Trump has had shut down?

I'm tired of this fing free speech lie they keep spinning.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2017 04:04 PM (Mxs5H)

17 9 for years i've defended GWB...

after today?

fuck that useless RINO POS, with a flaming porcupine, and shove it in with a tanker's bar.

he's dead to me.
Posted by: redc1c4, at February 27, 2017 04:03 PM (joq+X)

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I look forward to the reaction the Horde has towards Trump when he says something "unhelpful" after his presidency is over.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:04 PM (EvBgT)

18 I saw Strange New Respect open for Stockholm Syndrome at the Quokkadrome in 2006.

I'd never heard Blue Oyster Cult songs done in folk-country style before. It was weird.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2017 04:04 PM (AszEs)

19 George needs to shut up and wile away the remaining days of his life making shitty painting.

No one other than liberals looking to get you to criticize the Trump administration gives a shit what your insights are.

There are times I wish AlGore were President, we more than likely would not of gotten Obama.

But maybe we had to get Obama to see how bad things really were.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 27, 2017 04:05 PM (3Xxpy)

20 16 Does anyone have a list of the media outlets Trump has had shut down?

I'm tired of this fing free speech lie they keep spinning.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2017 04:04 PM (Mxs5H)

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"Trump is coming for us! He's going to end all of our rights!"
-The MSM, continuously, since early November

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:05 PM (EvBgT)

21 In Bush's defense though, he was a horrible president. So there's that.

Also, the interviewer was realllly trying to get Bush to talk shit about Trump, and Bush mostly avoided it.

No reporter tried to prod Bush to talk shit about Obama, so that's probably why he kept quiet there.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:05 PM (wmaTe)

22 I would tell the Chechen sock to leave, but in retrospect he makes a good point.....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 27, 2017 04:05 PM (CPk08)

23 One of his points ( Mark ?) was he said nothing about Barak but starts yapping on President Trump.

Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2017 04:05 PM (HDU3V)

24 The Bush family annoys me. Their mutual friendship with the Clinton cabal tells all you need to know.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at February 27, 2017 04:05 PM (fq4ih)

25 Stay out the Bushes

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 27, 2017 04:05 PM (6Ll1u)

26 bo and his team wrecked this country, its civil structure and its economy without a single word of criticism, and now he woke up and found some courage? estupido

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:06 PM (c6/9Q)

27 The statements were typical innocuous stuff that a lefty like asshead Matt Lauer would pull out of someone and distort.

It's annoying only because the game here is to try and divide Republicans.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 27, 2017 04:06 PM (gjdGN)

28 From day one journalists savaged the "Selected, Not Elected" Bush - you' d think he might gently remind them of it.

Posted by: 13times at February 27, 2017 04:06 PM (WHVu+)

29 Mr. President Bush,
STFD and STFU

Respectfully,
The Deplorables.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 27, 2017 04:06 PM (jxbfJ)

30 Haha- I've finally gotten a pronouncable hash!

ASSES

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2017 04:06 PM (AszEs)

31 In Dubya's partial defense, they were really bending over backwards to get an anti-Trump quote of him. I mean, it would have been great if he didn't roll right over and give them one... especially a poorly-reasoned one... but whatever.

Also: "I am for an immigration policy that's welcoming and upholds the law," Bush said.

I thought this was just stupid at first. (Our country's immigration policy *is* the law, right? How can it "uphold the law"? But then I remembered the last thirty-odd years of immigration policy.)

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 27, 2017 04:06 PM (OVUYQ)

32 Also we supercharged immigration under Bush, specifically from the muslim world.

In fact the two biggest upticks in legal immigration began under both Bush Presidencies.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 27, 2017 04:06 PM (3Xxpy)

33 I could swear the Left and the press called Bush a liar and miscreant for 8 solid years, now's something's changed. Weird.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2017 04:07 PM (4e+hS)

34 The press, which hated BusHitler with every fiber of their beings, now run to him for comfortable quotes in the face of the immensely more terrifying TrumpHitler.

********

Is there a secret development program where we create newer, scarier, Hitlers? I'll admit the Mittler didn't make the cut, but is there such a program? A secret facility? In a lair? Run by Dick Cheney?

Because the would be awesome.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra at February 27, 2017 04:07 PM (hLRSq)

35 I don't think any of the actual quotes are that offensive, just weak, which is odd because W isn't a weak man.

I guess he just listens to his Father too much.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 27, 2017 04:07 PM (QQ+il)

36 It's worth keeping in mind that this is the first Republican administration since Eisenhower that doesn't have a Bush in a high position. I find that this fact provides an interesting context for W's remarks.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 27, 2017 04:07 PM (zSMr0)

37 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at February 27, 2017 04:07 PM (GwIKd)

38 These RINO start pandering to Leftist talk shows to make them part of the 'in' crowd

Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2017 04:07 PM (HDU3V)

39 I like George, I want to believe that he is a good guy and everything, but I want him to STFU for a bit longer. Especially since he sat on his hands, and his lips, while his community organizer successor ran our stuff right straight to the edge of the abyss. I think that we can all feel the wheels spinning in reverse as we try to claw our way back from the edge. Quick, everyone, run to the back of the bus! Maybe we can still save our damn dumb asses. Just can it George, go for a jog with our wounded guys and everything will be okay between us. I can't imagine the pressure that your family must apply to you every stinking day, but hang tough and do good and zip it.

Posted by: goon at February 27, 2017 04:07 PM (EaQ6/)

40 The worst mistake Reagan ever made was to compromise with the Republican Establishment by selecting George H.W. Bush as his running mate.

Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at February 27, 2017 04:07 PM (NfNIM)

41 Watch the interview. Thinly veiled was the MSMs only half truth description they could give of the innocuous Bush answers to attempted gotcha questions.

But of course people will believe what the press tells them when it's stuff they want to believe.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 27, 2017 04:08 PM (XNNr5)

42 34 Is there a secret development program where we create newer, scarier, Hitlers? I'll admit the Mittler didn't make the cut, but is there such a program? A secret facility? In a lair? Run by Dick Cheney?

Because the would be awesome.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra at February 27, 2017 04:07 PM (hLRSq)

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"That's called Texas, South Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee...hell, any red state. You're all Hitlers! By the way, please keep buying our newspaper."
-The New York Times

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:08 PM (EvBgT)

43 >>>It just surprises me that so many "conservatives" are now taking the media's side, as it's tottering and wounded in a way that it has literally never been in my lifetime.

On that point ... it drives me nuts to hear so many people saying things like "Trump is undermining faith in the media" as if we all loved and trusted the media until Trump came along.

The media, for one, is acting like no one ever criticized them or hated them before Trump came along, when they've been arguably more hated by conservatives and "the right" in general than the Democrat party is.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:08 PM (wmaTe)

44 Cue Jimmy Carter, stage left, for some more insightful comments.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 27, 2017 04:08 PM (TnUKj)

45 "I look forward to the reaction the Horde has towards Trump when he says something "unhelpful" after his presidency is over."

Why wasn't Bush the Younger saying ANYTHING during the Obama administration?

Posted by: Kristophr at February 27, 2017 04:08 PM (1f2c5)

46 Hey-- it's been a while since anyone noted that Jeb Bush will never be President.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2017 04:08 PM (AszEs)

47 One of Bush's daughter gave a speech at a planned parenthood fundraiser.

Very sad

Posted by: Yo! at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (GwIKd)

48 I regret every defense I made of Bush.

Posted by: dagny at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (Mc+44)

49 Everyone will get a chance to be Hitler for 15 minutes.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (1f2c5)

50 Personally, I'm always reminded of GWB whenever Karl Rove appears on television, and not in a good way.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (qXXFv)

51 One of Bush's daughter gave a speech at a planned parenthood fundraiser.

Very sad

But not shocking, both their mother and grandmother are pro-abortionist.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (QQ+il)

52 Also he was there to promote his book that all the proceeds are going to military charities.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (XNNr5)

53 "It just surprises me that so many "conservatives" are now taking the media's side, as it's tottering and wounded in a way that it has literally never been in my lifetime."

The future is unknown and scary; the present, while unacceptable is knowable and can be adapted to. Thus the explanation - I think.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (hLRSq)

54 Dammit, W.

*sigh*

Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2017 04:10 PM (0mRoj)

55 I heard much of the interview on way home, it is filled with half truths and strawmen

Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2017 04:10 PM (HDU3V)

56 I think Bush comes from the same school of Republican thought as Joe Scarborough. I heard him say they other day, "Every Republican knows the press is biased. It's just part of the game.".

Why? Why do Republicans have to accept that the deck is stacked against them and go from there?

I think Trump could do a smoother job of his critiques but I give him full credit for blowing up this dumb idea that Republicans have to accept the media's terms. We in fact don't have a free and fair press, they are clearly on the Democrats team.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 04:10 PM (/tuJf)

57 Trump is such a silencer that Bonnie and Clyde were afraid to announce that a "black movie" won Best Picture over a white musical.

That is how serious this is people!

You don't get more seriouser than this!!11!11!!!1

Posted by: Lily Formerly of HotAir (Now from AoSHQ)assassin in the night at February 27, 2017 04:10 PM (vivhj)

58 One of Bush's daughter gave a speech at a planned parenthood fundraiser.

The ugly one or the slutty one?

Posted by: dagny at February 27, 2017 04:10 PM (Mc+44)

59 40- worse than the amnesty? (Technically, amnesty *before* enforcement.)

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2017 04:10 PM (AszEs)

60
I regret every defense I made of Bush.
__________________________________

I have for years. This just shows again what he became.

Posted by: IP at February 27, 2017 04:11 PM (yV4wg)

61 This and his daughter giving a keynote speech to Planned Parenthood is all that you need to know about this family.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 27, 2017 04:11 PM (6Ll1u)

62 Mostly weaksauce, except that "not willing to have" a free press line, which is basically the same bullcrap the left screamed pretty much literally every day after 2001.

One of my main critiques of the left is that they would *not* shut up about how they weren't allowed to speak.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 27, 2017 04:11 PM (wB8Tg)

63 Whenever I want a deep philosophical examination of contemporary political issues I look to George W. Bush for guidance.

Said nobody ever.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 27, 2017 04:12 PM (gjdGN)

64 The Aztecs killed a bunch of people because of religion

Just saying

Posted by: Yo! at February 27, 2017 04:12 PM (GwIKd)

65 62
One of my main critiques of the left is that they would *not* shut up about how they weren't allowed to speak.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 27, 2017 04:11 PM (wB8Tg)

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"Do you see the violence inherent in the system?!?!?!"

"No one's doing anything to do!"

"More violence!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:12 PM (EvBgT)

66 On the other hand, he very rarely rebutted the actual opposition party in the country, the national media, and I know many of his supporters pulled their hair out begging for him to actually do some presidential communications on this front. (And trying, futilely, to do for Bush what he couldn't or wouldn't do for himself.)

And this, in no small part, is how we got Trump.

Fight. Back. Fight back fight back fight back fight back.

I can't remember how many times a day that was screamed here and elsewhere from 2001 -2009 and then again starting after the 2010 midterms.

Fight back. Stop letting lies go unaddressed.

It was utterly maddening to sit there and feel like I cared far more about what was being said about the GOP than the GOP did. Why bother defending a group that won't defend itself?

Now turn around and the one thing that I did feel George W. Bush had right was the remain classy and above the fray and now I'm getting shived in the face about that?

Yeah, done with hearing about decency and civility.

For the umpteenth time, social conventions and social mores are reciprocal. Once one side violates them, the other side can respond in kind.

So, yeah, I don't want to hear about Trump's boorishness and vulgarity. The Bush wing of the GOP had its turn to play by adult rules and that failed bigly. Time to play by another set.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 27, 2017 04:13 PM (mf5HN)

67 It's worth keeping in mind that this is the first Republican administration since Eisenhower that doesn't have a Bush in a high position. I find that this fact provides an interesting context for W's remarks.

It does contain a Mitch McConnell's wife.

Hopefully as a back channel to the enemy. Because the GOPe is the enemy. Just like the MSM is the enemy.

The DNC is merely opponents.

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 04:13 PM (iT57s)

68 this mcmaster dude, I just don't know....

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:13 PM (c6/9Q)

69 Watch the interview.

Matt Lauer was doing a hit job (as usual) and Bush comes across less critical than is implied in the headlines and summaries.

The NBC clip is most telling. Bush finally has enough of Lauer's shit and says, "Look, I am here to sell my book in support of our military..." and the clip immediately cuts off.

I don't agree with W on a lot but the "hot takes" floating around online are overstated. This is more a typical NBC hatchet job than a "OMG! Bush epically slams Trump!" thing.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 04:13 PM (71OEY)

70 Here is a link to the 2015 immigration handbook.

You can see on page 10 that the upswing in immigration jumps dramaticlly in Bush I term then again in Bush II

you can also see from the other tables that 90pct of new immigrants come from Mexico, Africa and Asia and only 10pct from Europe or the first world.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 27, 2017 04:13 PM (3Xxpy)

71 I wonder if George has any thoughts on a government takeover of the health care system? Security issues associated with closing GITMO? Maybe some insight on how the suspension of immigration policies has impacted our security?

No?

Then STFU.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 27, 2017 04:14 PM (gjdGN)

72 And I, for one, feel very foolish about some of my former beliefs after this election. For years, the left (and people on the, er, political fringes) have said "you conservatives are so gullible for thinking that your 'thinkers' actually believe what they say -- they're just making money off your ignorance!" and I defended them.

And now, well, it turns out that there was more truth to that than we realized. I'll bet you can find quotes from just about everyone on the right defending the media currently from, say, circa 2010, condemning the media in almost identical terms to what Trump is saying.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:14 PM (wmaTe)

73 Here is a link to the 2015 immigration handbook.

http://tinyurl.com/gropsp6

You can see on page 10 that the upswing in immigration jumps dramaticlly in Bush I term then again in Bush II

you can also see from the other tables that 90pct of new immigrants come from Mexico, Africa and Asia and only 10pct from Europe or the first world.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 27, 2017 04:14 PM (3Xxpy)

74 56 I think Bush comes from the same school of Republican thought as Joe Scarborough. I heard him say they other day, "Every Republican knows the press is biased. It's just part of the game.".

Why? Why do Republicans have to accept that the deck is stacked against them and go from there?

I think Trump could do a smoother job of his critiques but I give him full credit for blowing up this dumb idea that Republicans have to accept the media's terms. We in fact don't have a free and fair press, they are clearly on the Democrats team.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 04:10 PM (/tuJf)

That's sort of funny, because Bush, and most Republicans, act as if the press was performing their job in good faith.

Trump's the only one who's treated the media the way they deserve to be treated.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 27, 2017 04:14 PM (KUaJL)

75 Always time for criticism if it threatens the Uniparty. Open borders forever.

Posted by: brak at February 27, 2017 04:14 PM (WekB6)

76 @64: "The Aztecs killed a bunch of people because of religion"

Also because no one had yet discovered gravity and their pyramids were too tall.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 04:14 PM (qXXFv)

77 This Bush dude knows what he's talking about and should be totes believed.

Posted by: Dan Rather at February 27, 2017 04:15 PM (4e+hS)

78 Lauer leads him into it but GWB jumps in with both feet

Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2017 04:15 PM (HDU3V)

79 Watched the actual interview, and it was pretty neutral on Trump, but he did get a dig on Obama...
But still no fan of the Bush family.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 27, 2017 04:15 PM (MINbv)

80 Its not just "kind of" annoying, it kills my respect for the man. Eight years of silence about Obama and he pipes up now?? That's your priorities?

He's just miffed his brother got beat. Open borders jackwagon, just shut up and go away with the rest of your family.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 04:15 PM (39g3+)

81 W let Obama essential lose the Iraq war and give the remnants to Iran without saying a word.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 27, 2017 04:15 PM (QQ+il)

82 There is no doubt it is best to have a fair and independent press, just as there is no doubt it is best to have a sober and kind mother.

Flying Monkey Media is neither sober nor kind, in fact is in league with Deep State to bring down the Republic.

which is why we must collectively tell it to shut its whore mouth.

Posted by: kallisto at February 27, 2017 04:15 PM (nNdYv)

83 Please clap.

Posted by: Jeb! at February 27, 2017 04:16 PM (0mRoj)

84 We'll get those pesky Democrat Globetrotters next time!

Posted by: The Grand Old Washington Generals Party at February 27, 2017 04:16 PM (hHFOx)

85 I think Bush comes from the same school of Republican thought as Joe Scarborough.
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right,

let the democrats win school of thought; let's not drain the swamp let's work with it school of thought . fuck that school of thought

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:16 PM (c6/9Q)

86 let the democrats win school of thought; let's not drain the swamp let's work with it school of thought . fuck that school of thought
--

Whereas Trump belongs to the "School of Quokka".

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 27, 2017 04:16 PM (OVUYQ)

87 Say what you will about the Bush daughters, but Jenna earned her NBC News contracts with adequate screen time, unlike Chelsea and her Geico gecko interview.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (qXXFv)

88 Did he think this would help make Heb stop crying?

Posted by: wth at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (HgMAr)

89 OT:

I'm listening to the Giants/Athletics Spring Training game:

There's an ad for buying California state bonds.

That state is fucked.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (EvBgT)

90 I will always respect GWB. But by letting the Establishment Media kill his administration by a thousand cuts, he is partially responsible in my opinion for Obama. I give him no credence for his opinions on the media.
If he could be quiet for eight years, surely he could have held his tongue for longer.

Posted by: iwuzhere at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (GRNzr)

91 I believe "Bubbles in My Bathtub" is the. And if George Bush's new book on philosophy.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (gjdGN)

92 Welp, looks like Georgie made a fast trip to the asshole list.

Posted by: Weasel at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (Sfs6o)

93 I was willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt but not anymore. STFU and take your 2 daughters with ya

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (KlI/a)

94 If you like this you're gonna love P. Bush. Currently Texas Land Commissioner.

Posted by: Lurking Moron at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (1L9V9)

95 The NBC clip is most telling. Bush finally has enough of Lauer's shit and says, "Look, I am here to sell my book in support of our military..." and the clip immediately cuts off.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 04:13 PM (71OEY) fnord (71OEY)

Always, *always* suspect anything that seems designed to get people to jump to conclusions, because it's probably *exactly* that.

We're talking about professional manipulators here.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (wB8Tg)

96 "58 One of Bush's daughter gave a speech at a planned parenthood fundraiser.

The ugly one or the slutty one?"

The ugly one? I recall them both being cute. The PP crap is sad.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 04:18 PM (OD2ni)

97 Not one thing listed above is a criticism of Trump. Bush was asked a question and he gave the same answers as many people in the Trump administration have given. You guys are doing exactly what the Press intended for you to do.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 27, 2017 04:18 PM (XNNr5)

98 On the other hand, he very rarely rebutted the actual opposition party in the country, the national media, and I know many of his supporters pulled their hair out begging for him to actually do some presidential communications on this front. (And trying, futilely, to do for Bush what he couldn't or wouldn't do for himself.)

It was worse than that. If you ever see Dana Perino describe her time in the White House you realize that not only did Bush not defend himself, he intervened to prevent his own people from defending him. That would have had to be frustrating as hell, having your boss call you in an tell you not to do your job.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 27, 2017 04:18 PM (Xuv2G)

99 95
Always, *always* suspect anything that seems designed to get people to jump to conclusions, because it's probably *exactly* that.

We're talking about professional manipulators here.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (wB8Tg)

======================

Deceptive editing?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:18 PM (EvBgT)

100 Fuck the Bush family.

They have this carefully cultivated image of being these "great people", yet every time they leave office they leave the GOP in tatters and sell their supporters down the river.

Watching Jeb get humiliated in the last primary was long over due.

Posted by: Maritime at February 27, 2017 04:18 PM (uAO9M)

101 89 OT:

I'm listening to the Giants/Athletics Spring Training game:

There's an ad for buying California state bonds.

That state is fucked.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:17 PM (EvBgT)

No fucking way I'd buy California bonds. They're already underwater.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2017 04:18 PM (0mRoj)

102
PT needs to keep reminding folks that there is no free and independent press, there is only left or left of center propaganda machine alligned with democrat party

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:18 PM (c6/9Q)

103 Old and busted: All Hat No Cattle Swaggering Dark Lord Shrubby Chimpy McBusHitler II of Oilstan

Fresh and New: Elder Statesman GW Bush.

Posted by: 13times at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (WHVu+)

104 LOGAN ACT VIOLATION

Like 'leap day' only shows up in multiples of four years.

It's a head scratcher.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (ZFUt7)

105 I now know that the "conservatives" didn't fight back because they were progressives. NR, Redstate, Kristol, etc etc. Every single nevertrumper was a non-fighting "conservative."

They were progs all along. Including Bush.

Posted by: dagny at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (Mc+44)

106 Ask not to whom the BOD is given.
It is given to THEE!

Posted by: BOD tied to a brick, lobbed over the Bush compound wall at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (QtQaN)

107 The Bush wing of the GOP had its turn to play by adult rules and that failed bigly.

"W" even allowed the hyenas to slander his wife, and never put up a strong defense for a woman who had gone to Afghanistan to help that country's women.

Trump already has one lawsuit won against parties who defamed and slandered his wife, he hasn't been in office 45 days.

Posted by: kallisto at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (nNdYv)

108 101
No fucking way I'd buy California bonds. They're already underwater.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2017 04:18 PM (0mRoj)

===================

It was essentially for a one day sale (tax free? I wasn't paying that close attention).

I wonder if they would have gone through this had Hillary won.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (EvBgT)

109 Everyone will get a chance to be Hitler for 15 minutes.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (1f2c5)
..............

I better gear up, that's going to be a busy quarter hour.

Posted by: wth at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (HgMAr)

110 It doesn't matter what editing is being done, he was silent on President Obama, refused to say anything about policy or what he was doing, as is tradition for presidents not named Clinton.

He is talking about this one.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (39g3+)

111 >>That's sort of funny, because Bush, and most Republicans, act as if the press was performing their job in good faith.

I don't really think that's the case. I think they've been brainwashed by the sea of consultants and media experts who tell them that you can't fight the media, best just to grin and bear it. For years, that was true because there was no other path for the truth. We all shit on the media now because we have access to events today in ways we never did 20 or even 10 years ago.

Let's not forget that Trump has been playing with the media in a completely different universe for his entire life. In many ways, he is actually of the media. And he knows their game inside and out. He's like Patton shouting at Rommel that he read his book.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (/tuJf)

112 I believe that Putin made the chads hang in Florida in 2000.

Posted by: Louise Mensch at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (OD2ni)

113 98,
Indeed. The concept of a bully pulpit escaped them.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 27, 2017 04:20 PM (MINbv)

114 But George Bush did so much to advance the conservative cause!

Have a big glass of shut the fuck up on me, George. And thanks for giving us eight years of having to defend "food on your family" while banning light bulbs and spending like a sailor. Followed by Obama who was 100% your fault. You fuck.

Posted by: Mega at February 27, 2017 04:20 PM (hHFOx)

115 I wonder if they would have gone through this had Hillary won.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (EvBgT)

They'd be counting on a federal bailout to get them less in the red.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2017 04:20 PM (0mRoj)

116 Yeah, I saw that too. 8 years of refusing to criticize Barry, now he opens his yap. Sure, most of what he said is pretty milktoast but still.

I think the fact that Trump buried Yeb is what motivated him. The Bush clan stands together. Kinda like Democrats...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 27, 2017 04:20 PM (NdM46)

117 111 He's like Patton shouting at Rommel that he read his book.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (/tuJf)

====================

Good analogy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:20 PM (EvBgT)

118 64 The Aztecs killed a bunch of people because of religion

Just saying
Posted by: Yo! at February 27, 2017 04:12 PM (GwIKd)

Nope. Not true. If religions were sometimes the a central issue underlying civil strife and warfare, you would hear atheists pointing it out all the time, and that never ever happens. No way. Never.

Posted by: The Eight Million Casualties of the 30 Years War at February 27, 2017 04:20 PM (CPk08)

119 W's defending Jebra's sacred honor.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 04:21 PM (ul9CR)

120 George was always a moderate. That's why he had to take Cheney as VP, to "balance the ticket".

The Bushes are upset over the demise of Jeb's political career.

Posted by: Mathers at February 27, 2017 04:21 PM (3myMJ)

121 Not one thing listed above is a criticism of Trump. Bush was asked a question and he gave the same answers as many people in the Trump administration have given. You guys are doing exactly what the Press intended for you to do.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 27, 2017 04:18 PM (XNNr5)

I don't read it that way. He took a veiled swipe at the Travel Ban and also INCORRECTLY as if he was a left winger compared it to a religious ban. And also defended the MSM.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 04:21 PM (KlI/a)

122 53 "It just surprises me that so many "conservatives" are now taking the media's side, as it's tottering and wounded in a way that it has literally never been in my lifetime."

The future is unknown and scary; the present, while unacceptable is knowable and can be adapted to. Thus the explanation - I think.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (hLRSq)

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This.

Careers are going to be destroyed. Livelihoods are going to disappear. Whose? Who knows? Maybe EVERYONES? Maybe No Ones?

They are all scared sh--tless. (Many for their families, but too many for their pride, and only their pride).

Trump has upset the Applecart. The #nevertrumpers knew he would, and are still scared for their reputation and more importantly, their wallets and careers.

The uncertainty makes them all scared. Time and actually changing things will lower their fear. Until then...

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 04:21 PM (iT57s)

123 No, the media wanted us to join Bush in being a kinder gentler 1000 points of light "conservative." They didn't want us to say "fuck Bush." They want us to say, "fuck Trump." Our bashing Bush gains them nothing.

Posted by: dagny at February 27, 2017 04:22 PM (Mc+44)

124 It doesn't matter what editing is being done, he was silent on President Obama, refused to say anything about policy or what he was doing, as is tradition for presidents not named Clinton.

He is talking about this one.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
_____________

Exactly, I honestly can't think of a single criticism made by Bush towards Obama despite Obama basically saying Bush was a war criminal every day of his campaign.

I remember there was a nauseating amount of support for Obama from Bush's office during the transition as well.

Posted by: Maritime at February 27, 2017 04:22 PM (uAO9M)

125 >>64 The Aztecs killed a bunch of people because of religion

But they invented the zero. Until then there was at least one of everything.

Posted by: bananaDream at February 27, 2017 04:22 PM (Ag8Mw)

126 I better gear up, that's going to be a busy quarter hour.
Posted by: wth

Not funny.

Posted by: Poland at February 27, 2017 04:22 PM (ZFUt7)

127 G.W. Bush was better than Gore or Kerry would have been, but that's as far as I'm willing to go. Liberals before W were "Tax and Spend" whereas Bush was "Borrow and Spend". His Medicare Part D is/was a train wreck for the budget, and his "looked Putin in the eyes" comment is nearly up there with Chamberlain's "I have the paper". And now, NOW!, after 8 years of silence while Obama actively tried to divide and destroy this country, NOW GWB comes forward to criticize Trump. He truly is his father's son.

Posted by: OCBill at February 27, 2017 04:22 PM (df+Zi)

128 "I will always respect GWB. But by letting the Establishment Media kill his administration by a thousand cuts, he is partially responsible in my opinion for Obama."

IMO, The only member of the Bush WH that was any good at pushing back at the media was Tony Snow. The rest were useless. And Scott McClellan was worse than useless.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 04:22 PM (OD2ni)

129 I got in a fight on Facebook with a leftie that claimed not calling on the MSM was a violation of freedom of speech. Honestly, no normal person cares about who gets chosen to ask questions at a press conference.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 27, 2017 04:23 PM (Lqy/e)

130 If Bush had no intention of making public statements about Trump, but got led into it by Lauer, then he needs to say so damn quick.

If he can keep quiet for 8 years of Obama but feels the need to comment on Trump, publicly, in month 2, then he's in danger of going full McCain.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 27, 2017 04:23 PM (yL25O)

131 I'm going to have to take another break from this place.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 27, 2017 04:23 PM (XNNr5)

132 @120: "The Bushes are upset over the demise of Jeb's political career."

He's next in line for Kimmel's show when Guillermo retires.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 04:23 PM (qXXFv)

133 79 Watched the actual interview, and it was pretty neutral on Trump, but he did get a dig on Obama...
But still no fan of the Bush family.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 27, 2017 04:15 PM (MINbv)

Glad I'm not the only one.

W has alway been on the "compassionate" end of immigration which, in fairness, isn't really that much different that Trumps recent statements on DACA.

Personally, I disagree on both counts and favor building a wall and tossing everyone in the country illegally over with catapults (if some people from CA got mixed up in the process, all the better).

Still, rather than freak out about Bush talking the same polices he's had since 1999 or so in response to another typical NBC hit job and editing gimmick followed by Twitter hot takes BS... I suggest a more agnostic response.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 04:23 PM (71OEY)

134 Bet most of the Bushes wear Crocs. (Especially Jeb)

I'd never wear Crocs. Unless it was the head I tore off of one that I happened upon while out riding sirtless on a grizzly bear.

Posted by: Vlad P. at February 27, 2017 04:23 PM (r6Z+k)

135 Isn't this the guy who sat around while the real estate bubble grew and grew, and then burst?

Posted by: SFGoth at February 27, 2017 04:23 PM (dZ756)

136 129 I got in a fight on Facebook with a leftie that claimed not calling on the MSM was a violation of freedom of speech. Honestly, no normal person cares about who gets chosen to ask questions at a press conference.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 27, 2017 04:23 PM (Lqy/e)

=====================

Man...I never realized how oppressive the early administrations of the Republic were.

They didn't even have press secretaries! It was a constitutional violation! Impeach Jefferson!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (EvBgT)

137 Colomba is so hawt, just my hei... er, type.

Posted by: Robert Reich at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (HgMAr)

138 I like W as a person. He genuinely cares for our armed forces and veterans, IMO.

But yeah, criticizing Trump after not criticizing the SCOAMF?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (wtvvX)

139 I look forward to the reaction the Horde has towards Trump when he says something "unhelpful" after his presidency is over.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:04 PM (EvBgT)

We are discovering slowly that Trump is not as conservative as hoped. We will discover more of that, I believe. Compared to Obama, of course, he's one of us right-wing nutjobs, but under normal standards I think we will look back on Trump to have been pretty New York City liberal in a lot of ways. Most of what he's done so far is simply undoing Obama idiocy in a loud and in-your-face manner. That's a good thing (in fact, just by preventing the Hillary Presidency the nation already has a win), but it's probably going to result in steering us to center, not to right.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (jK8Z7)

140 If California is selling bonds they better yield about 18%.

Posted by: Mathers at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (3myMJ)

141 I'm tired of this fing free speech lie they keep spinning.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2017 04:04 PM (Mxs5H)

Not only has Trump admin not shut anyone down...they are being more inclusive and inviting press from *gasp* new media to their events.

Spicer today listed some unconventional outlets that would be attending the White House correspondent breakfast. One of them was EWTN.

Posted by: kallisto at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (nNdYv)

142 The Clintons were running their money laundering scheme on your watch, right George?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (/f1mm)

143 "I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy," Bush said. "That we need an independent media to hold people like me to account. Power can be very addictive. And it can be corrosive

---- Oh, it held you to account all right. It held you to account so much it destroyed your ability to accomplish anything.

But thanks for playing, eunich

Posted by: Tradd at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (GSJcT)

144 120 George was always a moderate. That's why he had to take Cheney as VP, to "balance the ticket".

The Bushes are upset over the demise of Jeb's political career.

Don't forget Billy Bush and the infamous grab her ---- tape.

Billy lost a great gig and his career. Too bad, sooo sad!

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 04:25 PM (iT57s)

145 @144: "Billy lost a great gig and his career. Too bad, sooo sad!"

Shoulda been chosen for White House Press Secretary.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 04:25 PM (qXXFv)

146 135
Isn't this the guy who sat around while the real estate bubble grew and grew, and then burst?

Posted by: SFGoth at February 27, 2017 04:23 PM (dZ756)

Nope. They did try to do something. The left was firmly in the way. Oh, and "racist!"

Posted by: dagny at February 27, 2017 04:25 PM (Mc+44)

147 it's a good thing that Trump ran against bo, hillary AND Bush

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:25 PM (c6/9Q)

148 Where was this when Obama was doing and saying stupid stuff?

Where was W. when Obama was still blaming W for every damn mistake he made well into his second term????

The masks has soooooooo slipped off of the GOP and their DC bussies in the press.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (NOIQH)

149 I think the fact that Trump buried Yeb is what motivated him. The Bush clan stands together. Kinda like Democrats...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
_________

Yea, except they sided with the Clintons despite Bill and Hill making their dad a one term President.

Apparently that "low energy" quip was just too much, they had to back Hillary.

Hopefully the Bush dynasty is dead and buried, their fan club doesn't go too far outside DC.

Posted by: Maritime at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (uAO9M)

150 I don't know any media people personally. So I'm just going to hate them all, kind of individually as well as collectively, until they prove themselves from a distance. I like Ace's blog and everything, but that doesn't mean that I don't hate him right along with the rest. The jury is still out. hahaha!!

Posted by: goon at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (EaQ6/)

151 Just so we're perfectly clear on Louise Mensch, she voluntarily submitted pro bono advice and advertising copy to the Clinton campaign

http://bit.ly/2dXI0pc

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (w/QBI)

152 "People who murder the innocent are not religious people," Bush said.
-------------
Bush: "Hey you there, Aztec priest. You are NOT a religious person!"

*Aztec priest puts fist in Bush's chest and rips out heart*
------------
Bush: "Hey you Priest of Moloch. You are NOT a religious person!"

*Priest of Moloch tosses Bush onto fire*
------------
Bush: "Hey you Pagen priest. You are NOT a religious person!"

*Pagan priest hangs Bush and throws his body in a bog*
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*Muslims murder Parisian cartoonists*

Bush: "Islam is a religion of peace"

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (3OAG2)

153 We are discovering slowly that Trump is not as conservative as hoped. We will discover more of that, I believe. Compared to Obama, of course, he's one of us right-wing nutjobs, but under normal standards I think we will look back on Trump to have been pretty New York City liberal in a lot of ways. Most of what he's done so far is simply undoing Obama idiocy in a loud and in-your-face manner. That's a good thing (in fact, just by preventing the Hillary Presidency the nation already has a win), but it's probably going to result in steering us to center, not to right.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (jK8Z7)

???

You may be right. And one of my worries was that PDT would veer to much to the center and that still "might" happen. BUT so far that has NOT happened and I would save my acusations of that until it happens

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (KlI/a)

154 I think it is pretty clear from the election that the Bushes can kiss our collective asses....

I KNOW they can kiss my ass

Pappa Bush lied to my face and George created a lot of the problems we now have....mostly by not ever defending himself.....

And Jeb! can just go straight to hell with "Little" Marco

Posted by: FITP at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (DCWZY)

155 What Kari said. Mensch is no mensch.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 27, 2017 04:27 PM (NdM46)

156 103 Old and busted: All Hat No Cattle Swaggering Dark Lord Shrubby Chimpy McBusHitler II of Oilstan

No love for me?

Posted by: Smirking Chimp at February 27, 2017 04:27 PM (nNdYv)

157 There is no proof that, should the current Democrat-Media Complex fail, Americans will be denied the news.

Quite the contrary--we will get along just fine without them. They need us.

A free press does not mean "these companies that are wholly invested in perpetuating the Democrat Party and expanding government must always exist."

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 27, 2017 04:27 PM (AmMfi)

158 138 I agree.

Posted by: iwuzhere at February 27, 2017 04:27 PM (GRNzr)

159 >>>Hopefully the Bush dynasty is dead and buried, their fan club doesn't go too far outside DC.

Posted by: Maritime at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (uAO9M)<<<

There... is... another... Bush... whack...er.

Posted by: dying Yoda at February 27, 2017 04:27 PM (r6Z+k)

160 Restate:

Right now you have the media elite trying to decapitate the President of the electorate via some whisper campaign.

They allude to being in the know about all kinds of things without even providing any real evidence. So they want the electorate's choice--gone, yet that electorate doesn't deserve any real facts.

The Left's wish of "two Americas" has come true--with two different medias.

I do not know how you combat this rumor mill and conviction in the Court of Public Opinion--but the Left should be careful what they wish for--their machinations might become fully revealed.

********

Added--the best way to handle this is for them to be disarmed. Call their bluff.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 27, 2017 04:27 PM (fi5nC)

161 w let the press piss on him ever day. thought they would like him more. he's a typical repuke phony in the mold of juan mclame. isn't he responsible for the tsa? nixonian. should have stuck to sucking karl roves' dick.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 27, 2017 04:28 PM (KP5rU)

162 I'm sure Dana Perino will Bush-'splain everything on The Five.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 27, 2017 04:28 PM (PY9jH)

163 Hopefully the Bush dynasty is dead and buried, their fan club doesn't go too far outside DC.
Posted by: Maritime at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (uAO9M)

From you lips to God's ears.

No more Bushes, no more Clintons, no more aristos.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 27, 2017 04:28 PM (NdM46)

164 Trump also was very much in the "Bush lied us into Iraq" camp. Someone disputed this on an earlier thread, but there's no doubt about it.

http://tinyurl.com/z84qve6

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:28 PM (jK8Z7)

165 I got in a fight on Facebook with a leftie that claimed not calling on the MSM was a violation of freedom of speech.

Yeah I had the same experience on twitter. Finally got the guy to recognize that it was not a violation of the first amendment for a president to not talk to a specific news outlet. I mean, by definition he can't talk to all of them in the first place. The first amendment does not compel the government to talk to the press. It prevents the government from silencing and censoring the press. There's a huge difference there.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 04:28 PM (39g3+)

166 @146: "The left was firmly in the way."

In a better world, both Barney Frank and Maxine Waters would have been exiled to Canada for their comments about Fannie and Freddie in House committee hearings.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 04:29 PM (qXXFv)

167 Being a PUTZ is definitely genetic with the Bushies. Barbara is the only one with a pair and dim is very danky

Posted by: nsirchov at February 27, 2017 04:29 PM (BGUo0)

168 "People who murder the innocent are not religious people," Bush said

Yeah. And the Shiites started it, anyways!

Posted by: Sunnis at February 27, 2017 04:29 PM (CPk08)

169 >>> If Bush had no intention of making public statements about Trump, but got led into it by Lauer, then he needs to say so damn quick.
.....

He did, in the interview. Lauer kept pushing for a 'hot take' and Bush replied, "Look, I am here to sell my book to honor and support the military..." It's also clear in the video that NBC was doing some of it's usual "editing for time".

Lauer kept trying to pin "Muslim Ban" on things and Bush didn't take the bait. He rephrased his answer around the same policies he's pushed since 2000ish.

.In context, there was really zero barbs at Trump and at least one barb tossed at Obama.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 04:29 PM (71OEY)

170 >> Isn't this the guy who sat around while the real estate bubble grew and grew, and then burst?

No. In fact Bush claimed from the very beginning of his Presidency that the GSEs were dangerously out of control and posed a threat to the economy. Congress ignored it.

And then 9/11 happened and despite the fact that he kept talking about Congress did nothing.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 04:29 PM (/tuJf)

171 Meh he's part of the uniparty. He needs to STFU for 8 more years. A good man but a not so good president.

Posted by: USNtakim at February 27, 2017 04:29 PM (hMqvx)

172 I'll give those still trying to defend W the benefit-of-the-doubt on all their points. Everything was taken out of context. He just wanted to promote a book for military families.

WHAT DID HE THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ?

The Mainstream Media is his enemy. Hell, even I know not to talk to MSNBC, CNN, The Times, or The Post.

W is willfully naive ... and just refuses to accept the ugly world for what it is. So he lies to us, and he lies to himself.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 27, 2017 04:30 PM (AuISE)

173
Down with the King and Aristocrats!
Down with the priests they can live off their fat!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 27, 2017 04:30 PM (QQ+il)

174 "i'm a uniter not a divider"...good job W

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:30 PM (c6/9Q)

175 "People who murder the innocent are not religious people," Bush said

Who are you calling "innocent", kemo-sabe.

Posted by: Ward Churchill at February 27, 2017 04:30 PM (OVUYQ)

176 Trump also was very much in the "Bush lied us into Iraq" camp. Someone disputed this on an earlier thread, but there's no doubt about it.

I don't think "very much" is an accurate description, but he was in that camp, yes. He's been stupidly wrong on several things in the past.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 04:30 PM (39g3+)

177 "Crocservative", eh? Sounds like another portmanteau making the rounds...one not welcomed here...one with ugly connotations...but, I'm sad to say, one quite apt to the use...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at February 27, 2017 04:30 PM (9krrF)

178 He's like Patton shouting at Rommel that he read his book.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 04:19 PM (/tuJf)

Here is where I prove that women can't tell jokes.

Crappity, what's that old joke about the US forces and the Russians stealing the battle plans? There's no point in reading them because the US hasn't read them either.

Something like that.

But funny.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 27, 2017 04:31 PM (mf5HN)

179 168 Yeah. And the Shiites started it, anyways!
Posted by: Sunnis at February 27, 2017 04:29 PM (CPk0

Just a reminder: those dogs aren't really human, so its OK to kill them.

Posted by: Various Shia at February 27, 2017 04:31 PM (CPk08)

180 You may be right. And one of my worries was that PDT
would veer to much to the center and that still "might" happen. BUT so
far that has NOT happened and I would save my acusations of that until
it happens

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (KlI/a)

Undoing the Obama idiocy isn't taking us to the right. It's just taking us to the center. Thank God he's doing it, but let's see what size the federal government is 2 years from now or even 4 years from now. I bet it ain't smaller.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:31 PM (jK8Z7)

181
Bushes, Obamas, Clintons, DNC, RNC= Globalists

Trump- Not Globalist.

I will NEVER defend GW "Islam is a religion of peace " Bush again. He is dead to me.

Anecdotally, if Carter came out and bitch slapped Obama, the Democrats would take Carter to the woodshed.

Are the Republicans going to do that to Bush? I'm guessing no.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 27, 2017 04:31 PM (J5mC3)

182 157 There is no proof that, should the current Democrat-Media Complex fail, Americans will be denied the news.

Quite the contrary--we will get along just fine without them. They need us.

A free press does not mean "these companies that are wholly invested in perpetuating the Democrat Party and expanding government must always exist."
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 27, 2017 04:27 PM (AmMfi)

==================

The monolithic main stream media always had an end point in the future. As the costs of disseminating news went down, the media was always going to be less necessary and powerful.

Rush in the 80s. Drudge in the 90s. Rathergate in the 00s. Trump in the 10s.

Each of these accelerated the decline a little bit. We may be able to see the end of the media's oversized influence now. Their power is diminished but they still push narratives successfully (Russia is still a thing? Muslim ban? Just wait until they finally get to the "Old people and young children will die with ACA stories"). I do think that it's less powerful than it was 5 years ago, and definitely less so than 10-15 years ago.

We'll see the continued degradation until we have a digital age version of the pamphlets and newspapers that marked the beginning of the Republic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:31 PM (EvBgT)

183 so another guy disappoints me...

Posted by: concrete girl at February 27, 2017 04:31 PM (5+8Lx)

184 163 Hopefully the Bush dynasty is dead and buried, their fan club doesn't go too far outside DC.
Posted by: Maritime at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (uAO9M)

From you lips to God's ears.

No more Bushes, no more Clintons, no more aristos.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 27, 2017 04:28 PM (NdM46)

=====================

"I'll be back in 2020."
-Hillary

"I'll be right behind."
-Chelsea

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:32 PM (EvBgT)

185 I thought the Sunnies started it by changing the heredity based grand mufti?

Posted by: Yo! at February 27, 2017 04:32 PM (GwIKd)

186 Crappity, what's that old joke about the US forces
and the Russians stealing the battle plans? There's no point in reading
them because the US hasn't read them either.

Something like that.

But funny.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 27, 2017 04:31 PM (mf5HN)

Not a joke, ATC. German colonel said that one of the most frustrating things about fighting the Americans was that we didn't follow our doctrine, to which an American replied that we didn't even know our doctrine, let alone feel like we had to follow it.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:32 PM (jK8Z7)

187 As for George W Bush, and the Bush clan generally, I realized, as Trump savaged Jeb and W at one of the primary debates a year ago, that I didn't care. I'm free of my clannish obligation to expend my time and social capital defending the Bush dynasty - just like I'm free of an intellectual alliance to Bill Kristol and Kevin Douche Williamson (an alliance which was always involuntary). I can wash the red paint off my face. That's the point of voting Trump.

Fuck him. He was another mask for global socialism all that time. Everything I thought I like about him was a paintjob.

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at February 27, 2017 04:32 PM (w/QBI)

188 "I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy," Bush said.
..........

Battered wife syndrome.

Posted by: wth at February 27, 2017 04:32 PM (HgMAr)

189 No. In fact Bush claimed from the very beginning of his Presidency that the GSEs were dangerously out of control and posed a threat to the economy. Congress ignored it.

Yeah, President Bush tried over a dozen times to get congress to restructure Freddie/Fannie and lending laws, because he could see what every sane person could see: a collapse coming. Congress ignored him, just like they ignored his budgets, each of which had serious cuts in spending in many departments and would have lowered the debt. Instead, they flipped him off and sent him a budget buster each year.

To his discredit, Bush just signed the budgets. But he did try.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 04:32 PM (39g3+)

190 >>>164 Trump also was very much in the "Bush lied us into Iraq" camp. Someone disputed this on an earlier thread, but there's no doubt about it.

http://tinyurl.com/z84qve6
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon

...

True. I'm less annoyed by criticism of Trump, though, as by a defense of the propaganda organ we call the media.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2017 04:33 PM (8rNrN)

191 So... media screws Bush during his time in office. Grim milestones, etc.

Bush is quiet for EIGHT YEARS re: Obama.

Trump, a member of Bush's own party, comes into office and GWB is suddenly critical of him, through his friends in the media.

You know, the ones who b*ttf*cked GWB numerous times of day for eight years.

UNIPARTY, and Trump is not a member.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 27, 2017 04:33 PM (J5mC3)

192 I believe a lot of the anti-Trump Puffery by Crocservatives like W is that they realize they were too cowardly to call Obama on his nation-damaging BS

for 8 fucking years!

Cuz it was more important to them to let the country sink and the middle class decline rather than be called a racist.

Well, fine.

And are now trying to reestablish their own self___ of themselves as brave, important, truth-telling men of cosmic importance-

by taking the zero risk shots at Trump as pets of the MSM.

Yeah, no. You didn't help the country when it was important GFY to Ireland and never come back.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 27, 2017 04:33 PM (vZ9Fw)

193 @184: "'I'll be back in 2020.' -Hillary"

I know everyone around here has enjoyed a good "Hillary will never be president" congratulatory slap on the back after the election, but everything she's done since then indicates she wants to run again.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 04:34 PM (qXXFv)

194 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (jK8Z7)

Considering he was just a stalking horse for Hillary he's not doing that bad.

Plus, he's making federalist noises, which we haven't heard in a long time.

Posted by: Mathers at February 27, 2017 04:34 PM (3myMJ)

195 164 Trump also was very much in the "Bush lied us into Iraq" camp. Someone disputed this on an earlier thread, but there's no doubt about it.

http://tinyurl.com/z84qve6
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:28 PM (jK8Z7)

He was. Which is fair -- I mean "lied" but be a little strong, but Bush (and Congress, and the CIA, and the media, etc.) were at the very least VERY MISTAKEN about the danger Iraq posed to the world under Saddam.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:34 PM (wmaTe)

196 189
To his discredit, Bush just signed the budgets. But he did try.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 04:32 PM (39g3+)

======================

The evils of omnibus budgets that deal with multiple departments.

Send the 12 separately, and suddenly the EPA has no funding for a year without a fight over funding defense.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:34 PM (EvBgT)

197 He did, in the interview. Lauer kept pushing for a 'hot take' and Bush
replied, "Look, I am here to sell my book to honor and support the
military

This is true.....yet another hit piece by the MSM and more proof that W is a pussy.....He should have told him to stuff that shit where the sun don't shine and, in fact, would have if the questions had have been about O.

The Bushies are butt hurt that none wants their brand of bullshit anymore and Trump proved it

Posted by: FITP at February 27, 2017 04:34 PM (DCWZY)

198 http://bit.ly/2dXI0pc
Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (w/QBI)

GEORGE is not happy.

Posted by: WEEZY!! at February 27, 2017 04:34 PM (nNdYv)

199 You don't come here for the hunting, do you President Bush?

Posted by: The MFM at February 27, 2017 04:34 PM (QQ+il)

200 True. I'm less annoyed by criticism of Trump, though, as by a defense of the propaganda organ we call the media.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2017 04:33 PM (8rNrN)

***************

Is that what you heard?

Althouse probably has the better take on it.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 27, 2017 04:35 PM (fi5nC)

201 "'I'll be FLAT ON MY back in 2020.' -Hillary"

fify

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 04:35 PM (ul9CR)

202 GWB, suddenly the Media's favorite living Republican president...

Oh, after McCain being their favorite go-to, soundbite guy...

I knew this was coming.

Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at February 27, 2017 04:35 PM (QAGI0)

203 "I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy," Bush said.

He's right. Just not necessarily this media. And that's the problem. The American people need information to be informed in order to vote properly. The way to do that is news media.

But that's not what we're getting, so they aren't doing their job and have to go.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 04:35 PM (39g3+)

204 193 @184: "'I'll be back in 2020.' -Hillary"

I know everyone around here has enjoyed a good "Hillary will never be president" congratulatory slap on the back after the election, but everything she's done since then indicates she wants to run again.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 04:34 PM (qXXFv)

======================

I do think she'll try to run again.

I do not think that she'll make it through the Democratic primary.

I hope she runs. It'll be the perfect end to her political life. Fail in 2008. Fail in 2016. Fail in 2020.

She'll be the Martin Van Buren of the 21st century, except that Van Buren actually made it to the presidency.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:35 PM (EvBgT)

205 In context, there was really zero barbs at Trump and at least one barb tossed at Obama.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 04:29 PM (71OEY)

Sorry, the Group Consciouness has assimilated the NewFact and your OldFact is no longer operative.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 27, 2017 04:35 PM (wB8Tg)

206 George W. Bush was an utter failure as President and was in no way conservative. Why many here hold him in high esteem is beyond me.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at February 27, 2017 04:35 PM (fZgzB)

207 w has been dead to me ever since he told me, "islam is a religion of peace." all the while knowing it was a fucking lie. he was a toady for the saudis. fuck him.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 27, 2017 04:35 PM (KP5rU)

208 @178 Crappity, what's that old joke about the US forces and the Russians stealing the battle plans? There's no point in reading them because the US hasn't read them either.

Something like that.

But funny.
------------------

I don't think I've heard that particular one. But there are a few different versions of it floating around. They all basically come down to the "little groups of paratroopers" idea.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (nsZ+m)

209 Funny, Bill Mayer tweet,during Oscars when Kimmel rolled out the bused in ordinary citizens. *Trump just wrapped up 2020*

Funny because actors sun glasses worth more than bused in guys house.

Like "W", hollywood doesn't understand this country.

I'm sure if "W's" Jenna married a muslim and carted off to his homeland to become his slave, he would just sit there.

Posted by: redenzo at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (5wSNN)

210 "'I'll be back in 2020.' -Hillary"

I know everyone around here has enjoyed a good "Hillary will never be president" congratulatory slap on the back after the election, but everything she's done since then indicates she wants to run again.
Posted by: Walter Freeman

Check her health in 3 years.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (ph+ut)

211 Pravda was an essential part of Soviet society, too.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (oVJmc)

212 Undoing the Obama idiocy isn't taking us to the right. It's just taking us to the center. Thank God he's doing it, but let's see what size the federal government is 2 years from now or even 4 years from now. I bet it ain't smaller.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:31 PM (jK8Z7)

His Supreme Court Pick
The MOST right wing cabinet ever
Cutting funding to the EPA
Building a Wall
Enforcing the immigratoin Laws
Hiring more INS Border Guards

Sounds pretty conservative to me?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (KlI/a)

213 "I'll be back in 2020."
-Hillary

"I'll be right behind."
-Chelsea
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 27, 2017 04:32 PM (EvBgT)

*Wakes up screaming*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (NdM46)

214 153 We are discovering slowly that Trump is not as conservative as hoped... But it's probably going to result in steering us to center, not to right.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (jK8Z7)

We had citizens forced to buy a government product at the barrel of a gun, pizza parlors threatened for thoughtcrimes, and "guidance" on letting mentally ill men use the stalls in 3rd grade girls bathrooms.

We have to get to the center before we can get to the "right."

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (Rkb46)

215 "...everything she's done since then indicates she wants to run again."

I agree.

And...

Hillary will never be President.

Posted by: Mathers at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (3myMJ)

216 The Bushes are upset over the demise of Jeb's political career.

Posted by: Mathers at February 27, 2017 04:21 PM (3myMJ)

Yes, and they'll hold that grudge until the 2nd Coming, from the looks of it.

I've always liked and respected W. That doesn't mean I think he was a great or even a good President. I do think his presidency had more than its share of crises--decision points, for lack of a better term--and I think Bush often made the wrong call. To his credit, he usually owned his mistakes, very much unlike Obama.

Posted by: troyriser at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (Fw5cQ)

217 GWB sux!

Posted by: Myshiba at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (n20xt)

218 I have not viewed the Bush family the same since Bubba and the Hag cozied up to HW in Maine. Brothers from different mothers or some squatch.

Then, in the midst of the past election year fun times, when ole Water Balloon Head McMuffin ran, at the quest of Mitt (of this I have no doubt), the CIA was mentioned. Something then led to an interview by HW at some point after being elected President. He was asked where he was on 11/22/63 when JFK was killed. He did not know or remember. Now, that dog don't hunt. I was a wee redneck and I remember. Ask anyone over two yrs old and most will remember where they were when they heard the President was shot in Dallas.

This comment then led (and, sorry, I have no idea where I read this, poot-heads) to photos of HW in front of the book depository or whatevah in Dallas on that day. Plus a typed letter to J. Edgar Hoover as a witness to the shooting, signed by HW as a "Texas rancher." I dunno, but it seemed odd he could not remember, my flying monkeys.

I flat out loved W post 9/11. Did not love him so much his second term and more globalization no borders bullshite. But I still thought him way better than The Won, and still do. However, his policy was to never criticize those in office following him (read this as well). And, due to the Jebastomping, he is now criticizing a fellow GOP President. I don't like this, W. Now go back and paint a dog and mind yer own bidness.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (fq4ih)

219 "Trump also was very much in the "Bush lied us into Iraq" camp. Someone disputed this on an earlier thread, but there's no doubt about it."

I have no more interest in re-fighting the political arguments of the Iraq War than I do those of the Vietnam War. There are more important things than to get bogged down into those distractions.

Don't you agree?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (hLRSq)

220 W also presupposes that Trump's goal is to march around the world an push for "democratic values" and "free press" like he did. this concept is souring on me.

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (c6/9Q)

221 Posted by: ScoggDog at February 27, 2017 04:30 PM (AuISE)

Agreed.

What would you have him do? He's doing a book tour for a book on a topic that he's generally garnered universal praise for... supporting the troops. Running the media gauntlet is part of that.

The guy flat out said, "Look, I'm here to sell my book..." when Lauer kept acting like an ass.

Sure, Bush could have added, "now STFU you ass. I had enough of your bullshit while I was President" but he didn't... because he's trying to sell a book.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (71OEY)

222 Oh is it also true, GWB's grandfather served as treasurer for, get this - Planned Parenthood?

Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (QAGI0)

223 Not a joke, ATC. German colonel said that one of the most frustrating things about fighting the Americans was that we didn't follow our doctrine, to which an American replied that we didn't even know our doctrine, let alone feel like we had to follow it.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:32 PM (jK8Z7)

That's it!

One of the things I like best about Battle: Los Angeles, besides, you know, the aliens, is that it shows the military not only as heroes but also as smart and this is on a unit level, not the top brass.

Unit has to fight aliens. Unit is cut off from everyone else. Marines just figure that shit out on the fly and rescue people. Because our troops are capable and heroic, every last one.

Also the look on Aaron Eckhart's face when the shiny new lieutenant is all "This is what I've trained for" re: fighting aliens is a hoot.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (mf5HN)

224 Dubya is a good man, but he's also a gentleman playing a very ungentlemanly game. The Rules were thrown out in 1996 with Clinton II. The GOP sticks to them at their own peril.

Posted by: red speck at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (RcEOo)

225 I can't say "Bush is dead to me" because I loathed W. On the drive home I thought of several nasty things to post about him and his execrable family but will pass. One dispassionate, undeniable observation is worse than any hate or bile I could muster:

George W. Bush sent our young men and women to fight the ill-advised Iraq War. After it predictably went south, the Democrats and its media mouthpieces called these brave souls Nazis, murderers, torturers, name it.

George W. Bush didn't say one goddamned thing while the Democrats and their media mouthpieces trashed the soldiers, airmen, and sailors he sent to Iraq. Many of them died, lost limbs and suffered other injuries.

So George W. Bush remained mute while our brave young men and women were roundly trashed (please spare me the "Rove told him to do so;" who the fuck cares?). Yet W goes on NBC, which as a reminder hired his daughters as "reporters" (both of whom parties with Huma when they were certain Hillary would win) yet acquiesces in trashing a president with more manhood in his fingernail clippings than can be found in him, his faggot father, and fat, self-loathing brother.

Bush couldn't speak up for the troops when the media trashed them yet aided and abetted the enemies of the people so he could whore a book.

Fuck him, fuck them.

Dismantled the Administrative State, destroy the media, put the figurative torch to D.C. and everyone in it.

Not one drop of blood more from our troops until those three things happen.

I can't believe I restrained myself.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (W6uIZ)

226 Not helpful by bush.

Posted by: local news at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (1isJI)

227 153 We are discovering slowly that Trump is not as conservative as hoped. We will discover more of that, I believe. Compared to Obama, of course, he's one of us right-wing nutjobs, but under normal standards I think we will look back on Trump to have been pretty New York City liberal in a lot of ways. Most of what he's done so far is simply undoing Obama idiocy in a loud and in-your-face manner. That's a good thing (in fact, just by preventing the Hillary Presidency the nation already has a win), but it's probably going to result in steering us to center, not to right.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:24 PM (jK8Z7)

???

You may be right. And one of my worries was that PDT would veer to much to the center and that still "might" happen. BUT so far that has NOT happened and I would save my acusations of that until it happens
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 04:26 PM (KlI/a)

-------

One of reasons that Trump might not move to the center is the absolute insanity of the left. Why reward your enemies?

Also, Trump played nice with the NYC Moonbat liberals when his career depended on it. He probably didn't like it. It was just a cost of doing business for him. Notice his policy choices are in direct opposition to any NYC Liberal standard positions?

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (iT57s)

228 "I'll be back in 2020."
-Hillary

"I'll be right behind."
-Chelsea

And lo, I beheld a pale horse...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (9krrF)

229 I know everyone around here has enjoyed a good "Hillary will never be president" congratulatory slap on the back after the election, but everything she's done since then indicates she wants to run again.

She lost Michigan. The party won't forget that. She has the stink of loser all over herself.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (QQ+il)

230 everything she's done since then indicates she wants to run again.

I don't think she'll be upright in 4 years. But Chelsea is definitely gearing up for a run in 2024.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (39g3+)

231 OT:

SpaceX just announced they're sending two private citizens on a trip around the moon late 2018. The two unnamed people have already put down a "significant deposit".

We'll see if it happens but, dayum.

Posted by: WisRich at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (hdpay)

232 There is no proof that, should the current Democrat-Media Complex fail, Americans will be denied the news.

Quite the contrary--we will get along just fine without them. They need us.

A free press does not mean "these companies that are wholly invested in perpetuating the Democrat Party and expanding government must always exist."
---

Repeat after me: The Media in all forms ONLY exists to sell advertising space.

ALL shows are there to kill time between advertisements. Local shows and national shows.

High rating? High price for ads.

Low rating? Low price for ads.

Informing the public? Not important
Getting facts correct? Not important
Telling the truth? Not important

Selling ads at a high price? IMPORTANT

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (J5mC3)

233 He's right. Just not necessarily this media.

*********

Correct.

Anyways some want to still foment the intramurals when the bigger dance needs to be played.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (fi5nC)

234 Sort of O/T

I reads that Barry and moocelle rented their D.C. house from a former Clinton press person. My question is how much money do these people like Perino and Sean Spicer make that they have a house suitable for king and queen obama?

Posted by: Chillin the most at February 27, 2017 04:39 PM (Cl52v)

235 aren't you just a damn enabler to evil?

yes

In the same way that Mao said revolutionaries take shelter among the population.

If the population turned on, and turned in the revolutionaries, instead of sheltering them, it would be a whole 'nother ball game.

Right now, half the population gives shelter and support to the revolutionaries. On the other side, half of the remainder don't want to get involved.

It takes leadership to motivate the indifferent, and keep up the moral of those who would defend the country. That is something both Trump and Reagan do/did while neither of the Bush presidents took any risks, other than Bush the Younger going to war in retaliation for 9/11; something he had to do.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 27, 2017 04:39 PM (ol+IX)

236 And the spirit of George W. Bush and his willful blindness regarding the media lives on with the excruciatingly annoying Dana Perino who never misses a chance to criticize Trump--albeit in her fake, phony, nice-girl sort of way.

Yeah, and fuck Jasper too.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 27, 2017 04:39 PM (7uYFy)

237 Dami,
Agreed.

And Hillary will never be president.

Seriously.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 27, 2017 04:39 PM (MINbv)

238 Speaking of budgets, will the govt actually have a budget again after all these years without one?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 27, 2017 04:39 PM (6Ll1u)

239
In the ten years after Clinton left office, 60,000 American factories closed and five million manufacturing jobs disappeared.

The overwhelming majority on Bush's watch. F--k him.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 27, 2017 04:39 PM (ZFUt7)

240 Scooter Libby went to jail for "x said vs y said" and Bush couldn't even verbally describe the problem. People who work for him knew that only the D will punish an outsider and pay loyalty.

Fuck his masochism, fuck him and fuck his blind uniparty games.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 27, 2017 04:40 PM (VdICR)

241 I can wash the red paint off my face. That's the point of voting Trump.
Posted by: phone of kari

Yup.

When the GOPe made it clear that they would rather lose (as they imagined it) than allow Cruz to get the nomination, ALL my loyalty went down the shitter.

And there it remains

Posted by: FITP at February 27, 2017 04:40 PM (DCWZY)

242 To his credit, he usually owned his mistakes, very much unlike Obama.
Posted by: troyriser at February 27, 2017 04:37 PM (Fw5cQ)

Yes. And though some things didn't turn out well, there's no way to prove the alternatives would have turned out better.

Posted by: Mathers at February 27, 2017 04:40 PM (3myMJ)

243 Yes George, we DO need a media to hold the powers to account.

We didn't have that for 8 years and continue to not have that for one and only one side of the aisle.

Now please just go.

Posted by: eleven at February 27, 2017 04:40 PM (qUNWi)

244 188 "I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy," Bush said.

Last week Juano told Chuck Todd that a free press was necessary for the New World Order to be effective.

Posted by: kallisto at February 27, 2017 04:40 PM (nNdYv)

245 "People who murder the innocent are not religious people," Bush said. "They want to advance an ideology. And we have faced those kind of ideologues in the past."

This sort of delusional pretending is infuriating, too.

The vast majority of Muslims want sharia law put in place. Over half of them want apostates executed.

Search for Pew research on Sharia law. He's either ignorant or knows and is promoting ignorance. There are no other options.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 27, 2017 04:40 PM (Rkb46)

246 Sounds pretty conservative to me?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (KlI/a)
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We on the right don't have a common definition of conservatism.

If "conservatism" means free trade, mass immigration and allying with the Muslim Brotherhood to topple Middle Eastern strongmen, then no, Trump is not a conservative.

If "conservatism" means conserving our prosperity, jobs, industry, tax base, way of life and Constitution, then yes, Trump is a conservative.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 04:40 PM (3OAG2)

247 Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (W6uIZ)

Well said.

Posted by: local news at February 27, 2017 04:41 PM (1isJI)

248 yeah and Scooter thing. can't forget that. Scooter saved their ass, and what did he get for it ?

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:41 PM (c6/9Q)

249 "224 Dubya is a good man, but he's also a gentleman playing a very ungentlemanly game. The Rules were thrown out in 1996 with Clinton II. The GOP sticks to them at their own peril."

I mostly agree except I believe the Rules were thrown out during the Bork fight in the 80's. W actually believed that reaching to Ted Kennedy on NCLB would generate good will from Dems.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 04:41 PM (OD2ni)

250 >>He was. Which is fair -- I mean "lied" but be a little strong, but Bush (and Congress, and the CIA, and the media, etc.) were at the very least VERY MISTAKEN about the danger Iraq posed to the world under Saddam.

Saddam's WMD program was only one, and actually a secondary, factor in the case to invade Iraq. The primary reasons were Saddam's funding and harboring of terrorists which was true and particularly meaningful post 9/11 and the fact that he was constantly violating multiple UN sanctions which he agreed to as a term of the cease fire, not peace but cease fire, and that he was shooting at America pilots enforcing the no-fly zone.

But it does show the power of the media that all most people remember today is that the reason we went to Iraq was because of WMD because that is the spot the media can hit Bush on.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 04:41 PM (/tuJf)

251 Bush is a globalist
I voted for him both times but that is before I woke up and understood what is going on in this world and what has been going on since the early 1900's

Posted by: MarkC at February 27, 2017 04:42 PM (iWFQR)

252 But when I tell her to get off the crack, she shouldn't keep telling me that mothers are important and that it's unamerican to criticize moms (or apple pie or baseball

The DH rule is an abomination.

Posted by: Gerard M. Delaney at February 27, 2017 04:42 PM (GJnhB)

253 I'll be back in 2020."
-Hillary

"I'll be right behind."
-Chelsea

And lo, I beheld a pale horse...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at February 27, 2017 04:38 PM (9krrF)

Funny, Revelations always described the Whore of Babylon as much more attractive.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra at February 27, 2017 04:43 PM (hLRSq)

254 @250
But it does show the power of the media that all most people remember today is that the reason we went to Iraq was because of WMD because that is the spot the media can hit Bush on.
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The media, and from what I've heard, Tony Blair. I've heard that the big push for WMD as the rationale was largely the fault of Tony Blair.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 04:43 PM (nsZ+m)

255 Bush should know by now that the media wants nothing but to pit Republican against Republican. All these a-holes need to stop taking the bait.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 27, 2017 04:43 PM (oVJmc)

256 I knew this was coming.

Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson

Correcto....this was as predictable as sunrise.

Hell, I'd be afraid if they ever got a new playbook...I wouldn't know how else to make friends and impress people without my precognition skills

Posted by: FITP at February 27, 2017 04:44 PM (DCWZY)

257 SpaceX just announced they're sending two private citizens on a trip around the moon late 2018. The two unnamed people have already put down a "significant deposit".

We'll see if it happens but, dayum.

.01 percenters.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2017 04:44 PM (ph+ut)

258 you can promote democracy, not a bad idea, but not when you are 30 trillion in debt and 95+ million (out of population of 300 mm ?) of your citizens are out of a job

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:44 PM (c6/9Q)

259 Bush said it was important to know the truth about any relationship between Russia and members of the current administration -- "I think we all need answers -- but dodged when asked if a special prosecutor was required to look into collusion allegations.

Why doesn't Dubya just look into "Pootie-Poot's" eyes and read his soul like he did 15 years ago?

Posted by: kbdabear at February 27, 2017 04:44 PM (AOrEZ)

260 is Space X a thing ?

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:45 PM (c6/9Q)

261 I don't believe an ex-President should openly criticize a sitting black President.

Posted by: GWB at February 27, 2017 04:45 PM (bgYgn)

262 "250 >>He was. Which is fair -- I mean "lied" but be a little strong, but Bush (and Congress, and the CIA, and the media, etc.) were at the very least VERY MISTAKEN about the danger Iraq posed to the world under Saddam."

They also badly misunderstood the Middle East. I did too. Turns out the choice for most is either secular dictator or Muslim nutcases. Given that choice, Saddam, Khadafy, Mubarak, Assad, etc are preferable.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 04:45 PM (OD2ni)

263 SpaceX - they used to Be Spacely Sprockets, right?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (ul9CR)

264 Isn't calling it "Islamic radicals" or "Islamic extremists" or "Political Islam" exactly how you DO separate the moderate Muslims (whatever that may be) from the muslims you are trying to eradicate?

Don't you have to drive a schism between the bad muslims and the good muslims and the way to do that is by naming the two factions accurately?

By pretending beheaders yelling Alluah Akhbar is work place violence or terrorists no different from Timothy McVeigh is how you end up creating the sense that all Muslims are the same.

Some people behead in the name of their religion, others don't. One would think it would be a good idea to point out the difference between them.

Posted by: scofflaw_x at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (y9ZJX)

265 The DH rule is an abomination.
Posted by: Gerard M. Delaney at February 27, 2017 04:42 PM (GJnhB)

More or less of an abomination than starting the 11th inning with a runner on second?

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (mf5HN)

266 His daddy was a carpetbagger, but we have to claim W, still we have fallen a long way from "When the Alamo reeked with the blood of the brave, and Mexican faith slept in Goliad's grave." Texas Independence Day 2 March. And screw the Bushes

Posted by: Patrick Henry at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (a7IXj)

267 Yet W goes on NBC, which as a reminder hired his daughters as "reporters" (both of whom parties with Huma when they were certain Hillary would win) yet acquiesces in trashing a president with more manhood in his fingernail clippings than can be found in him, his faggot father, and fat, self-loathing brother.

THAT's whati'mtalkinabout

Posted by: kallisto at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (nNdYv)

268 Someone should place the entire Hush clan on an ice flow and jettison them towards the north Atlantic.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (nN3W/)

269 But it does show the power of the media that all most people remember today is that the reason we went to Iraq was because of WMD because that is the spot the media can hit Bush on.
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The media, and from what I've heard, Tony Blair. I've heard that the big push for WMD as the rationale was largely the fault of Tony Blair.
Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 04:43 PM (nsZ+m)

This is true, but Saddam gave every indication he had WMD's and thus did most of the intelligence agencies around the world, and as much as I've now come to believe that fighting for Muslims is a total waste, you still have to cut Bush and Blair some slack. They couldn't take the chance that Saddam was bluffing.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (7uYFy)

270 "People who murder the innocent are not religious people," Bush said. "They want to advance an ideology."

My liberal girlfriend was right - he is a dumbass.

Posted by: jbspry at February 27, 2017 04:47 PM (bxc5w)

271 SpaceX - they used to Be Spacely Sprockets, right?

Space I-IX were not entirely successful.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 27, 2017 04:47 PM (oVJmc)

272 W was my first vote for President, in 2000. I held my nose both times, given the other choices. I was never happy about those votes, but now I feel like I need a shower.

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at February 27, 2017 04:47 PM (adsVM)

273 Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 04:41 PM (/tuJf)

half of the middle east funds terrorism in one form or another. The only thing Shia's and Sunnis can agree on is that Hamas and Hezballah need to be well armed and funded so that they can annihilate the Jews.

most of the middle easy lives under what we would call tyranny.

UN sanctions are toothless and meaningless.

The main selling point was, and has always been that Iraq was dangerous to the world, including to the US. That Saddam had the 4th biggest army in the world, was working on weapons of mass destruction, may have been tied to 9/11 (still no proof of that 16 years later), and that Saddam was in general a huge threat to world peace. Oh, and he violated a UN no fly zone that we set up around his country (an act of war, by the way).

Yeah, it was all always way oversold. Like I said, lied may be too strong -- extremely overhyped might be more appropriate.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:47 PM (wmaTe)

274 Yes, Georgie, the Islamic terrorists do want to "advance an ideology."

The ideology they want to advance is called: ISLAM.

And no, despite what your idiot advisers have told you, Islam is not a "religion of peace," and never has been.

And no, we don't need to be "welcoming" immigrants who despise our culture, our values, our heritage, our laws and who would happily replace our government with an Islamic theocracy. Nor do we need to be "welcoming" illegal aliens who come here and thumb their noses at our laws and our culture while waving their foreign flags in our faces and ripping off our welfare system to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

But it's good to know that after 8 years of silence while Obama wiped his ass with our constitution and blamed you for all his failures, you've finally found a president you're willing to criticize publicly.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 27, 2017 04:47 PM (riF5p)

275 Bush clan.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 27, 2017 04:48 PM (nN3W/)

276 257 SpaceX just announced they're sending two private citizens on a trip around the moon late 2018. The two unnamed people have already put down a "significant deposit".

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2017 04:44 PM (ph+ut)

Please let it be Soros and Tom Steyer and Apollo 13 without the successful return.

It would take a heart of stone not to laugh at the thought of them frozen solid in a space vehicle in a permanent loop between the earth and moon

Posted by: kbdabear at February 27, 2017 04:48 PM (AOrEZ)

277 NASA will be able to send a man back into Space in the year...?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 27, 2017 04:48 PM (6Ll1u)

278 Plus, he's making federalist noises, which we haven't heard in a long time.

Posted by: Mathers

AMEN

And this, really IS the solution to all our problems.

I have very little faith that anyone in Washington (or hell, most Governors) see it that way though

Posted by: FITP at February 27, 2017 04:48 PM (DCWZY)

279 W is just happy his term as Literally Hitler is over.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 27, 2017 04:48 PM (oVJmc)

280 George W. Bush was an utter failure as President and was in no way conservative. Why many here hold him in high esteem is beyond me.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at February 27, 2017 04:35 PM (fZgzB)

I hold him esteem because he has consistently demonstrated himself to be a sincere and outstandingly good man when it comes to support of the military, especially when no one is looking. I also though he demonstrated excellent leadership on and around 9/11.

I disagree with him on a LOT of policy. I can have policy disagreements with someone without thinking less of them as a person or diminishing their other qualities.

Many of the things that I think were mistakes, he fully admits to in "Decision Points" and takes personal responsibility without looking for scapegoats or making bullshit excuses. That earns a good deal of respect from me. There is far too little of that around these days.

He has always seemed to me to be a good, sincere man who I disagree with on a lot of policy points. I can respect that and, I'd guess given his history, that feeling might be mutual if I ever met the man.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 04:49 PM (71OEY)

281 @277 NASA will be able to send a man back into Space in the year...?
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NASA could probably send a man into space right now. But there'd be an awful big fuss when they couldn't get him back down safely.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 04:49 PM (nsZ+m)

282 "People who murder the innocent are not religious people,"

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Bush is fundamentally wrong on this. When people murder the innocent because their GOD tells them to kill the unbeliever, those people are religious fanatics, by definition.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 27, 2017 04:49 PM (ol+IX)

283
Search for Pew research on Sharia law. He's either ignorant or knows and is promoting ignorance. There are no other options.
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Would "can't upset the Muslims here legally, that would be bad" fit under "promoting ignorance?"

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (J5mC3)

284 This is true, but Saddam gave every indication he had WMD's and thus did most of the intelligence agencies around the world, and as much as I've now come to believe that fighting for Muslims is a total waste, you still have to cut Bush and Blair some slack. They couldn't take the chance that Saddam was bluffing.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (7uYFy)

Either Bush Lied! People Died! or more or less every intelligence agency in the world got one of the most pressing intelligence questions of the last 20 or so years completely wrong (or everything was shipped to Syria).

Of those, Bush Lied! People Died! is the less worrisome. I've never quite understood the need for people to handwave away the intelligence failures.

Or that stuff got shipped to Syria.

Or both.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (mf5HN)

285 I see George with a bullhorn, promising retribution. A nation full of TV watching non-participants crushed that vow.

I see Barack with a bow, promising reparations. A nation full of TV watching leaches yearns for that false reality still.

I see Donald with a hammer, noticing nails all around. A nation full of Twitter readers is getting a full dose of motion, while the power of the false press prohibits, or impedes, actual action.

Nothing has changed.

Old tired people are still warehoused and attended by hateful foreigners. Our so called "leaders" are running for reelection after a couple of months in office.

The liberal press finds a way to thrive upon the shit that is being thrown back at them. Shit that they created. A perpetual motion machine, indeed!

Nothing has changed. Progress is a myth. Doom is the only certainty. Come swiftly asteroid, comet, tsunami, Jesus. End our suffering.

Bourbon! more bourbon!

Posted by: goon at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (EaQ6/)

286 They also badly misunderstood the Middle East. I did too. Turns out the choice for most is either secular dictator or Muslim nutcases. Given that choice, Saddam, Khadafy, Mubarak, Assad, etc are preferable.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 04:45 PM (OD2ni)

Absolutely. But the "smartest people in the room" were just as wrong as average Joe's on the street, AND they still refuse to admit that they were wrong and change course (see: "arab spring")

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (wmaTe)

287
Anecdotally, if Carter came out and bitch slapped Obama, the Democrats would take Carter to the woodshed.

Are the Republicans going to do that to Bush? I'm guessing no.

Any Republican attacking Bush would be deathly afraid that their big donors would cut them off. The Bush power has always been their ability to raise tons of early money.

Remember how !Jeb! was inevitable in March 2015?

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (iT57s)

288 Some people behead in the name of their religion, others don't. One would think it would be a good idea to point out the difference between them.

Posted by: scofflaw_x at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (y9ZJX)

This is the part that can't be examined too closely re: Muslims.

The difference is that the "moderate" ones simply don't want to hold the knife.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (/f1mm)

289 His Supreme Court Pick

The MOST right wing cabinet ever

Cutting funding to the EPA

Building a Wall

Enforcing the immigratoin Laws

Hiring more INS Border Guards

Sounds pretty conservative to me?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (KlI/a)

Actually, no. Assuming those things that have been announced actually get done (which has not happened yet), I consider most of them not to be conservative policies, but centrist. These are the things BOTH sides should cheer for. The fact that we have half the country that thinks these are conservative policies is scary. Conservative policies would be eliminating or consolidating whole departments, rather than cutting some funding, and deporting millions of people who are here illegally, rather than just the "bad hombres". I have seen NOTHING on entitlements, fixing Social Security and Medicare, returning power to the states, indeed restoring Constitutionl government for that matter. It's early, and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think he thinks that way. I think Trump would be perfectly happy administering Gerald Ford's policies.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (jK8Z7)

290 NASA will be able to send a man back into Space in the year...?

In the year 2525, if man is still alive...

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (ol+IX)

291 Notice Bush put the "welcoming" before the "upholds the law". Switch that around there, Dubya. Or just leave out the "welcoming" part altogether. It's already a given that Americans are the most welcoming people on earth.

Posted by: JuJuBee at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (dargh)

292 I didn't see the interview, but didn't take the comments as being directed at Trump at all.

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 27, 2017 04:51 PM (msUl2)

293
SpaceX - they used to Be Spacely Sprockets, right?

Better than Cogswell Cogs!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 27, 2017 04:51 PM (IqV8l)

294 I asked the other day how many more mosques there are now compared to before 9-11 and I was told twice as many. It was shocking. But I honestly feel if The Donald had been president when 9-11 happened we would not be in this position. He would NOT have labeled it the religion of peace, nor would he have had such lax immigration policies. He would have been more along the lines of a Toby Keith song.

Posted by: Chillin the most at February 27, 2017 04:51 PM (Cl52v)

295 I've always thought he was a decent President when it came to most decisions. But his refusal to ever engage the press and let them paint him with whatever brush they felt led to the destruction of the Republicans in the 2006 midterms, and the collapse of the party afterwards (which was really only saved and bounced back thanks to Obama's extreme arrogance and overreach).

But no, this pathetic motherfucker isn't done yet. When am an shows him what standing up for yourself looks like, he ankle-bites from the sidelines like a little bith who's been shown for what he is.

Fuck George W Bush. The damage you've done to the nation and your party is incalculable. Please ditch your Secret Service dtail and go wandering in front of a bus, for the good of the nation you worthless shit.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 27, 2017 04:52 PM (S2VsH)

296 o/t but, TRump calls oscars fail, "a little sad". LOL

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:52 PM (c6/9Q)

297 Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (mf5HN)

I think the answer is that
a) every intelligence agency was wrong
and
b) there was institutional pressure to push for invading Iraq for whatever reasons going all the way back to HW's administration when many in the deep state were upset that HW didnt march the troops all the way to Baghdad in Gulf War I.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:52 PM (wmaTe)

298 Dana Perino who never misses a chance to criticize Trump--albeit in her fake, phony, nice-girl sort of way.

Started right on election night, after Podesta sent the crowd at the Javits Center home and then it was announced that Trump was on his way to The Hilton. PeRINO went on and on and ON about how Bush waited till morning to speak in 2004 when Kerry finally conceded.

And over on MSDNC, PeRINO's fellow Uniparty tart Nicole "I'm a useless loser" Wallace was doing the exact same thing.

Unlike the person who counted, Trump, neither of the virtue-signalling prissypantses knew that Clinton had conceded.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 04:52 PM (ul9CR)

299 296 o/t but, TRump calls oscars fail, "a little sad". LOL
Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 04:52 PM (c6/9Q)
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Nice.

Posted by: WisRich at February 27, 2017 04:52 PM (hdpay)

300
It is kind of annoying he is talking now, then again he is pimping a book and doesn't control the questions. That said, I think W took a couple of shots at obama and the press in that interview, but that of course is not what is being trumpeted.

Listening to the whole interview gave me a different impression than the post or fox news take.

On the third hand, you can't be more Estab GOP than the Bush family.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2017 04:53 PM (ODxAs)

301 264 Isn't calling it "Islamic radicals" or "Islamic extremists" or "Political Islam" exactly how you DO separate the moderate Muslims (whatever that may be) from the muslims you are trying to eradicate?

Don't you have to drive a schism between the bad muslims and the good muslims and the way to do that is by naming the two factions accurately?

By pretending beheaders yelling Alluah Akhbar is work place violence or terrorists no different from Timothy McVeigh is how you end up creating the sense that all Muslims are the same.

Some people behead in the name of their religion, others don't. One would think it would be a good idea to point out the difference between them.
Posted by: scofflaw_x at February 27, 2017 04:46 PM (y9ZJX)

Racist Bigot KKK
scofflaw must now go away!

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 27, 2017 04:53 PM (CPk08)

302 @284 Of those, Bush Lied! People Died! is the less worrisome. I've never quite understood the need for people to handwave away the intelligence failures.
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The general belief is that Saddam wanted people to think he had WMDs. He wanted the status that this conferred within the Middle East. And he didn't think that rest of the world would do anything about it so long as they didn't have any hard proof. So he created circumstantial evidence of WMDs, and managed to successfully fool everyone.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 04:53 PM (nsZ+m)

303 Funny, Revelations always described the Whore of Babylon as much more attractive.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra

Maybe, but she sure has hell did business with all the nations of the earth.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at February 27, 2017 04:54 PM (9krrF)

304 "...to accept the notion of an independent press," said Bush, who cautioned that "it's kind of hard to tell others to have an independent free press and we're not willing to have one ourself."

No, our mainstream media is not independent - it is an appendage of the Democrat party.

But somehow I don't think that is what Bush meant.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 04:54 PM (3OAG2)

305 "290 NASA will be able to send a man back into Space in the year...?"

Only when the moon gets transgender bathrooms.

Posted by: NASA at February 27, 2017 04:55 PM (OD2ni)

306 Good post. Bush 43 does need to keep a sock in it.

Re: the post below, Ace's statement of "I guess we can thank Trump for waking progressives up ..." Yes I agree we have to thank Trump for a whole lot, beginning with tearing off the masks that the GOPe has been wearing for a long time, but I don't think he's waking ANY progressives "up".

They are on a different mission from us, and think things were moving along just swimmingly, if not maybe a bit too slow, under the last administration. The only think they have become "woke" to is the fact that they might not be able to continue much longer in their aim to destroy our country.

They don't want a panacea, they want total government control. They achieve that by stressing all of the support systems, welfare, health care, health insurance. They continue to achieve their goals by controlling education of our young, entertainment of everyone, and most importantly, the news.

President Trump has thrown the proverbial monkey wrench into their destructive works, while also making them tip their hand at every step of the way. (I know, mixed metaphors.)

Oscars last night was a prime example. They have become unhinged because they can't control things right now. They have always been awake, they were just complacent in that their elites were running the show--literally running everything. Prez Trump changed that for now.

Posted by: squeakywheel at February 27, 2017 04:55 PM (f31Us)

307 Well, he made me millions on tech that doesn't work.

Posted by: M. Chertoff at February 27, 2017 04:55 PM (nN3W/)

308 Just as an aside, Mollie Hemingway is one of the smartest commentators out there right now. She's also quite pretty. Two things I like in a woman.

Posted by: pep at February 27, 2017 04:55 PM (LAe3v)

309 My image of Dubya is of a guy who saw what his father and his cronies and cohorts were into, and for many years, tried to avoid those circles. He wanted to not have to take part in their chicanery, and to enjoy himself, perhaps as the commissioner of MLB.

I think, when the drink took him and he was humbled, his father seized on the moment to appeal to him to be more of an active player in their "order". Hence, the political career began. However, it always seemed like there was a continuous reluctance in what he did. That he started out with a degree of independence, and slowly gave in to the influence of those around him. Remember how he was anti-nation-building in the 2000 election?

He's a man who tried not to be part of the garbage that Trump is currently fighting, but couldn't keep up the fight all his life. Eventually he gave in, and at this point, he knows better than to single himself out now. If he did, I mean, he might end up the same way as Scalia. After seeing some of the sentiments of these tyrannical filth, I have little doubt that he's not off-limits.

Posted by: S at February 27, 2017 04:56 PM (YtzJ5)

310 The timing tells it all. W uses 'weak tea' language only because he knows the MSM will run with it. Plausible deniability is a big benefit from a passive aggressive attack.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at February 27, 2017 04:56 PM (PvCxa)

311 W also presupposes that Trump's goal is to march
around the world an push for "democratic values" and "free press" like
he did. this concept is souring on me.

Posted by: runner

I think it is for a lot of us.....that's why the NeoCons are needing to change their sanitary napkins so frequently these days (and CIA etc too, probably)

Posted by: FITP at February 27, 2017 04:56 PM (DCWZY)

312 Just as an aside, Mollie Hemingway is one of the smartest commentators out there right now. She's also quite pretty. Two things I like in a woman.

Loved her in Star80.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 27, 2017 04:56 PM (QQ+il)

313 Oh, and regarding the Hag running in 2020...that is probably what is keeping her alive right now. The others in her witches coven are probably going along with it, like my supermodel mythology.

Maybe she will stagger and run for NYC mayor. Maybe. Maybe she will have another episode and face plant. Lots of maybe's, but no way is she running in 2020 unless there is some miracle levadopa cure that poor Michael J. Fox does not know about. The Hag's battery pack is all she has along with her Huma. Hell, maybe they'll all be in prison (wishful thinking).

For all the Dims who freak out about the FBI: Maybe you should not run a candidate under FBI investigation, no? Or one so corrupt she has a list of corruption that would make a third world dicktater blush.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at February 27, 2017 04:56 PM (fq4ih)

314 No, our mainstream media is not independent - it is an appendage of the Democrat party.
But somehow I don't think that is what Bush meant.

Not a defender of his at all, but I think it is what he meant. He also pointed out to Matt Lauer that he used to mean alot more than now because of the alternative media.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2017 04:56 PM (ODxAs)

315 They have always been awake, they were just complacent in that their
elites were running the show--literally running everything. Prez Trump
changed that for now.

Don't you mean "woke"?

Posted by: pep at February 27, 2017 04:57 PM (LAe3v)

316 " People that murder the innocent are not religious people. They want to advance an ideology."

Posted by: The Church Of Abortion Uber Alles Vehemently Disagrees at February 27, 2017 04:57 PM (ndGCC)

317 "I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy," Bush said. "That we need an independent media to hold people like me to account.

He fails to address *any* of the important questions regarding the current state of the media. Just how stupid does he think we are?

Power can be very addictive. And it can be corrosive."

It certainly is to the media, which is why they are freaking out now that they have lost their influence.

Posted by: John Kerry at February 27, 2017 04:57 PM (W8bn5)

318 If W was guilty of anything, he is guilty of believing that Islam could be perfected or reformed.
The reformation happened.
"There is no such thing as radical Islam. There is only Islam." - PM Erdogan

Posted by: navybrat at February 27, 2017 04:57 PM (w7KSn)

319 Post 9/11, we had a better pretext for invading Saudi Arabia than we did Iraq.

At the time I said the occupation would be problematic (so did Brent Skowcroft channeling Bush 41 in a WSJ op-ed), Iraq would ultimately go the way of Yugoslavia and split into three, and that we'd embolden Iran.

And I'm just an Ignoramus

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 27, 2017 04:57 PM (SIY7D)

320 You know even if you want to give W the benefit of the doubt and say that he wasn't attacking Trump with this stuff, he's still a fucking clueless halfwit idiot. You're there to talk about your book? Talk about your book! Why do you keep letting them get you into these other topics that are fucking obvious meant to be used as digs against Trump?

I also don't believe for one second that if he had written this book during Obama's administration and he was appearing on Fox and they were trying to bait him into these kind of responses to use as an attack on Obama that he would have let it happen.

So he's either stupid or playing the same game Obama played when talking about Fidel Castro's death.

Posted by: buzzion at February 27, 2017 04:57 PM (z/Ubi)

321 he's still a trillion times better than kerry

Posted by: concrete girl at February 27, 2017 04:58 PM (5+8Lx)

322 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:47 PM (wmaTe)

Saddam may not be directly tied to 9/11, but he was friendly with any Islamic Terrorist Organization that did not attack Iraq. He did fund Palestinian terrorists, including death benefits to the families of suicide bombers. Fact.

I have no proof, but I do not doubt Saddam supplied support to Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Maybe not for the 9/11 operation directly, but terrorist dollars are fungible.

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 04:58 PM (iT57s)

323 Sadam admitted that he kept up the image of having an active chemical and biological weapons program as a deterrent to Iran.

Couple that with seeing what you expect to see in intelligence, an aversion to taking risks in gathering intelligence, and plain old fashioned incompetence, etc etc.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at February 27, 2017 04:58 PM (FqgrG)

324 For all the Dims who freak out about the FBI: Maybe you should not run a candidate under FBI investigation, no? Or one so corrupt she has a list of corruption that would make a third world dicktater blush.

Dicktater? Is that an Irish strap-on?

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 04:58 PM (TppKb)

325 Only when the moon gets transgender bathrooms.

They better not push trans-species bathrooms. Ain't no way we're sharing a bathroom with those filthy Grey anal-probers.

Posted by: The Reptilians at February 27, 2017 04:58 PM (ul9CR)

326 Fuck GWB!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 27, 2017 04:58 PM (cOHS7)

327 I can't rule out the possibility that Hillary will have aged more in 4 years than Trump. This, knowing how the office chews people up.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 27, 2017 04:58 PM (VdICR)

328 We had citizens forced to buy a government product
at the barrel of a gun, pizza parlors threatened for thoughtcrimes, and
"guidance" on letting mentally ill men use the stalls in 3rd grade girls
bathrooms.

We have to get to the center before we can get to the "right."

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 27, 2017 04:36 PM (Rkb46)

I've posted before that when the voter dropped off her kid at a school where the Department of Education was more concerned with bathroom and locker room policy than whether the kid got an education, then drove past the Home Depot parking lot full of illegal aliens being enabled by the Department of Homeland Security who were taking the jobs that her union carpenter father and union electrician husband used to do, and got to the polling place where the ballot was printed in four languages under orders from the Department of Justice, and she said, "What the hell happened to my country?", how could she do anything but vote Trump? I'll add that fixing all those things is not conservative -- it's centrist. We have gone far, far to the left, so far that it seems conservative to get things back to normal, middle-of-the-road America.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:59 PM (jK8Z7)

329 The Bush's said they were going to vote for Hillary. Let that sink in.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 27, 2017 04:59 PM (nN3W/)

330 The general belief is that Saddam wanted people to think he had WMDs. He wanted the status that this conferred within the Middle East. And he didn't think that rest of the world would do anything about it so long as they didn't have any hard proof. So he created circumstantial evidence of WMDs, and managed to successfully fool everyone.
Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 04:53 PM (nsZ+m)

Well, that's kind of after-the-fact rationalization. I mean, nuclear weapons would have been a game changer -- but everyone knew he had chemical weapons since he'd used them in the Iraq / Iran war and against the Kurdish separatists.

WWI-era weapons don't really inspire a lot of fear, I wouldn't think. There's a reason no one has used chemical weapons in a real war since WWI -- they're expensive, hard to deploy, dangerous to everyone involved on both sides, and really only work in trench-warfare like scenarios where you can gas out a trench.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 04:59 PM (wmaTe)

331 Actually, no. Assuming those things that have been announced actually get done (which has not happened yet), I consider most of them not to be conservative policies, but centrist. These are the things BOTH sides should cheer for. The fact that we have half the country that thinks these are conservative policies is scary. Conservative policies would be eliminating or consolidating whole departments, rather than cutting some funding, and deporting millions of people who are here illegally, rather than just the "bad hombres". I have seen NOTHING on entitlements, fixing Social Security and Medicare, returning power to the states, indeed restoring Constitutionl government for that matter. It's early, and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think he thinks that way. I think Trump would be perfectly happy administering Gerald Ford's policies.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (jK8Z7)

???
LOL...good luck getting ANY of that done.

Deporting Millions? And how pray tell will you do that in today's America?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 05:00 PM (KlI/a)

332 Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at February 27, 2017 04:56 PM (fq4ih)

that recent video of her rallying the troops, surrounded by angelic light...weird, no ?

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 05:00 PM (c6/9Q)

333 They better not push trans-species bathrooms. Ain't no way we're sharing a bathroom with those filthy Grey anal-probers.

Not so fast...

Posted by: Sasha Grey at February 27, 2017 05:00 PM (TppKb)

334 >>The main selling point was, and has always been that Iraq was dangerous to the world, including to the US. That Saddam had the 4th biggest army in the world, was working on weapons of mass destruction, may have been tied to 9/11 (still no proof of that 16 years later), and that Saddam was in general a huge threat to world peace. Oh, and he violated a UN no fly zone that we set up around his country (an act of war, by the way).

After 9//11, that's a pretty hard statement to make. 20 guys hijacking a few planes with zero armies behind them changed the world in a pretty dramatic way.

I do think the Bush family saw the Middle East a lot differently than many. Bush senior was considered a hero in Kuwait and much of the Middle East post the first Gulf War. And while it's a mess now, tyranny is a bit strong for how much of the Middle East was in early 2000. Ruled by depots in some areas, no doubt. But far from all.

Kuwait, the UAE, Egypt, Jordan a few others, I've never felt remotely threatened in any of them. But Iraq was definitely one of the despotic spots where a crazy person was involved in international terrorism, torture and ethnic cleansing. He was given a choice to comply with the terms of the cease fire. He chose poorly.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 05:00 PM (/tuJf)

335 "312 Just as an aside, Mollie Hemingway is one of the smartest commentators out there right now. She's also quite pretty. Two things I like in a woman.

Loved her in Star80."

Heh. Eric Roberts was scary good as Paul Snider. Oh, and Mollie is cute and smart.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 05:00 PM (OD2ni)

336 off horseshoe.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:00 PM (W8bn5)

337

GW gave us Jugeared O'Dummy and seemed to not do anything to stop the rampaging...he could have, chose not to, thousand points of light.

He, Boner, Turtleneck and Ryan oversaw one of the worst anti-Conservative government of all times and did nothing to stop the curtailing of freedom.

Now Don comes out with nice cabinet picks, SC picks...and these same idiots are now attacking him.

Go back to painting, you dumbass. Thanks for nothing.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (wteGN)

338 Trump would be far more popular and closer to achieving his agenda if he was conferring with a Rove instead of a Conway.

Posted by: Billly Wynn at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (IfVuk)

339 "I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy," Bush said.
"That we need an independent media to hold people like me to account.

Yes, we do need an independent media. It's a pity we don't have one. Just saying "independent media" simply doesn't provide any useful information. Independent how? There is certainly no ideological diversity, nor commitment to objectivity. By this standard, we should all be defending Goebbels.

Posted by: pep at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (LAe3v)

340 he should have known he'd never get a fair shake with that worm lauer...lauer always hated him and it shows.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (5+8Lx)

341 I'm a Mollie fan too.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (ul9CR)

342 @318 The reformation happened.
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Maybe, maybe not.

The leader of Egypt has been making some interesting noises to the theological leadership in Egypt. His comments have basically been of the sort that suggest a conflict between Islam and the entirety of the rest of the world is probably the fault of Islam. And the local theological leadership (which is considered to have a lot of sway in the Sunni world) needs to figure out why that is.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (nsZ+m)

343 Yeah, and fuck Jasper too.

God, yes!

And Goldberg with his f'ng canine updates....Judas Priest what self absorbed fucks we have become in this country (yes, yes myself included)

Posted by: FITP at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (DCWZY)

344 "People who murder the innocent are not religious people,"

Which is why they always scream "Dawkins akbar" before murdering the innocent. Or perhaps Bush's point is that the victims are not innocent.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (W8bn5)

345 Or both.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 27, 2017 04:50 PM (mf5HN)

This. The UN even bitched publicly that the US was confiscating and destroying chemical weapons instead of letting the UN give them to, oh, what was his name? Mohamed Elbaradei?

Also, Israel blew up a facility in Syria a bit later that purportedly was the recipient of a lot of that material that left early in the invasion. They might even have used some of it during their recent unpleasantness.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 27, 2017 05:02 PM (wB8Tg)

346 Screw Trump he is worse than Hitler raping Ashley Judd. By the way President trump we need $100 billion to fix our infrastructure because we spent all that previous money on illegal aliens ($25B/yr in Kali last year).

Posted by: Jerry Brown at February 27, 2017 05:02 PM (cOHS7)

347 314 No, our mainstream media is not independent - it is an appendage of the Democrat party.
But somehow I don't think that is what Bush meant.

Not a defender of his at all, but I think it is what he meant. He also pointed out to Matt Lauer that he used to mean alot more than now because of the alternative media.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2017 04:56 PM (ODxAs)

Disagree. Bush's answer came directly in response to Lauer quoting Trump about the fake news media being the enemy of the people.

Of course Lauer dishonestly refers to "the media being the enemy of the people" when Trump referred to the fake news media being the enemy of the people.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 05:02 PM (3OAG2)

348 WWI-era weapons don't really inspire a lot of fear, I wouldn't think. There's a reason no one has used chemical weapons in a real war since WWI -- they're expensive, hard to deploy, dangerous to everyone involved on both sides, and really only work in trench-warfare like scenarios where you can gas out a trench.

Well, I mean, the various gases went from chlorine to much nastier stuff, and the delivery went from 'open the valves and pray the wind doesn't shift' to artillery, which was pretty reliable in terms of getting it to the other guys as long as you didn't have a handling accident...but even Stalin who didn't give a flying fuck about the lives of his troops didn't think the benefits were worth the drawbacks.

Posted by: Sasha Grey at February 27, 2017 05:03 PM (TppKb)

349 Sock cleanup

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:03 PM (TppKb)

350 @329 The Bush's said they were going to vote for Hillary. Let that sink in.
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Dubya explicitly stated he was not.

He did refuse to state who he was voting for, though, so there's a good chance it wasn't Trump.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:03 PM (nsZ+m)

351 >>> Where was W. when Obama was still blaming W for every damn mistake he made well into his second term????

The dad of the SEAL killed the Yemeni raid is angry at Trump and wants answers, calling for an investigation. I have no problem with people shining light on what went wrong in a military raid, but did no one tell him it was a raid set up by the Obama team? Why no hate for him too?

Yeah, I know that everything happened in Obama's entire term is Bush's fault, and everything that happened the day after the 2016 election is Trump's fault. But still.

And RIP to his son, and I hope he can find peace.

Posted by: LizLem at February 27, 2017 05:03 PM (hvf9s)

352 Hitler raping Ashley Judd

Video or it didn't happen.

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (TppKb)

353 @ Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 04:41 PM (/tuJf)

Spot on.

Context matters. Post 9/11, no responsible President could ignore Saddam's outright non compliance, support of terrorists, and outspoken threats against the U.S. Also, WMDs were found... just not in the quantities anticipated from the intel. Therein lies the rub though. Intel is always a best guess. No one knew. The threat was that Saddam could have cleared it all up in a second and lost nothing, but he chose to amp up his non compliance.

Now, compare and contrast: Immediately following Iraq, Gaddafi jumped up and volunteered to stop all his programs and became a model fucktard. He was shitting he pants and went out of is way to not be perceived as a threat or terror supporter. Now, he's always been full of shit but the fucker didn't even behave that well when Reagan leveled his house.

Fast forward around 6 years and Obama/ Hillary send the military to topple and execute him. No UN votes, no WMDs, no threat to the U.S., no authorization from Congress. Not saying the guy didn't deserve killing but, the country and world IS NOT better off without him. His replacement was ISIS and Libya brought ISIS up from the JV to a very wealthy owner of a nation... who then proceeded to attack our embassy on 9/11.

Obama and Hillary actually did in Libya what W is falsely accused of in Iraq, but no one gives a shit.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (71OEY)

354 "I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy," Bush said. "That we need an independent media to hold people like me to account...."

Uh, the media is independent in the sense that the state doesn't control it, but, well, a state might as well control it. Not OUR state, but a state none the less. The level of ideological purity tests that you have to pass and keep passing in order to keep a job in 95% of the industry is telling that "independent" only describes their relationship with the government. With each other, they're interdependent. And largely ideologically in lockstep.

for that matter, the second part of that quote, "...Power can be very addictive. And it can be corrosive." explains why that is. Though the object of that quote is different than he means.

Posted by: DaveM at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (WFjXF)

355 I have no proof, but I do not doubt Saddam supplied support to Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Maybe not for the 9/11 operation directly, but terrorist dollars are fungible.
Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 04:58 PM (iT57s)

Seems unlikely.

Al Qaeda has always been a Saudi enterprise. They received most of their funding and support from Saudi citizens and the Saudi government going back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan when bin Laden showed up with his check book and a handful of Arabs to support the Pashtuns in repelling the infidels from Muslim land.

And the Saudis and Saddam had bad blood over who was the top of the Sunni Arab pecking order in the M.E.

It seems highly unlikely to me that any official Iraqi money made it's way to Al Qaeda.

Hamas is a different story.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (wmaTe)

356 Ace, go write on the chalkboard 100 times: Do Not Trust The Media.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/27/bush-a-free-press-is-indispensable-to-democracy/

Posted by: Crispian at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (rY+Q1)

357 "There's a reason no one has used chemical weapons in a real war since WWI"

Pretty sure Iran-Iraq was a real war. More casualties than our Civil War (I).

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (jK8Z7)

358 Im sick and tired of the "good man" defense. I didnt vote for W. cause he was a "good man", my neighbor is a "good man" for gods sake. So what? I voted for him because he was supposed to be a good president, not a failure who grovels to the media.

Go away W.! And take Obama with you!

Posted by: Nurse Ratched at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (7Owrn)

359 Dubya explicitly stated he was not.

He did refuse to state who he was voting for, though, so there's a good chance it wasn't Trump.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:03 PM (nsZ+m)

Jeb! - Please clap

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (493sH)

360 Well, I mean, the various gases went from chlorine to much nastier stuff, and the delivery went from 'open the valves and pray the wind doesn't shift' to artillery, which was pretty reliable in terms of getting it to the other guys as long as you didn't have a handling accident...but even Stalin who didn't give a flying fuck about the lives of his troops didn't think the benefits were worth the drawbacks.
Posted by: Sasha Grey at February 27, 2017 05:03 PM (TppKb

That's kinda the point: you don't use them on troops: you can use them most effectively to threaten cities and towns.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 27, 2017 05:05 PM (CPk08)

361 344 "People who murder the innocent are not religious people,"

Which is why they always scream "Dawkins akbar" before murdering the innocent. Or perhaps Bush's point is that the victims are not innocent.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (W8bn5)

I don't know about Bush, but I do think Barky was often careful to state that "Islam does not condone the killing of the innocent" reserving the point about the victims not being innocent in the eyes of Islam.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 05:05 PM (3OAG2)

362
I can't help thinking that it'd be righteous if the Big Guy Upstairs were to make the Bush ranch a waystation for annual Quokka Migrations.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 27, 2017 05:06 PM (XWkhW)

363 Personally, I wonder how the Middle East would be different today if Bush had traveled to Erbil after Saddam fell, openly declared an independent Kurdistan, given them a pile of money for construction and armament, then wished Tehran and Riyadh good luck in their race to Baghdad.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 05:06 PM (qXXFv)

364 Does Bush have some business interests that are being threatened by Trump's policies? Or business interests of a relative? Maybe ¡Jeb! is pressuring him to do this?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:06 PM (W8bn5)

365 298 Dana Perino who never misses a chance to criticize Trump--albeit in her fake, phony, nice-girl sort of way.

Started right on election night, after Podesta sent the crowd at the Javits Center home and then it was announced that Trump was on his way to The Hilton. PeRINO went on and on and ON about how Bush waited till morning to speak in 2004 when Kerry finally conceded.

And over on MSDNC, PeRINO's fellow Uniparty tart Nicole "I'm a useless loser" Wallace was doing the exact same thing.

Unlike the person who counted, Trump, neither of the virtue-signalling prissypantses knew that Clinton had conceded.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 04:52 PM (ul9CR)

Notice who they did NOT blame?

How about the gutless drunken criminal that did not even have the courage, control, or ability to face the thousands of her own supporters? She lost, she knew it, and could not even have the decency to thank her Campaign staff?

No one called out the gutless Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 05:06 PM (iT57s)

366 Uh, the media is independent in the sense that the state doesn't control it, but, well, a state might as well control it.

Dear media, you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to get paid by the client.

Posted by: whores at February 27, 2017 05:07 PM (LAe3v)

367 Dubya explicitly stated he was not.

He did refuse to state who he was voting for, though, so there's a good chance it wasn't Trump.
Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:03 PM (nsZ+m)

Did the Deep State Party qualify for the ballot in Texas? If so, Bush probably voted for Egg McMuffin.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 05:07 PM (3OAG2)

368 My sweet kind mother in law had a saying I'd like to apply to G Bush.

'I wish him many good things, especially a speedy reunion with the Lord.'

That would be nice. Tonight actually would be groovy.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 27, 2017 05:07 PM (sxDSr)

369 Bush could have written in his brother's name

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 05:08 PM (c6/9Q)

370 Puff Ashley also said men in her family voting for Trump was like raping her.

She seems nice.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 05:08 PM (ul9CR)

371 Disappointing, so not surprising.

Posted by: Dang at February 27, 2017 05:08 PM (LwRTD)

372 How about the gutless drunken criminal that did not
even have the courage, control, or ability to face the thousands of her
own supporters? She lost, she knew it, and could not even have the
decency to thank her Campaign staff?

No one called out the gutless Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 05:06 PM (iT57s)

Pretty sure that Podesta kept her from speaking because her drunken rant would have been epic.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:08 PM (jK8Z7)

373 It doesn't bother me if Bush made some comments against Trump other than he did not say much against Obama's policies. Lest people forget Trump said Bush lied us into the Iraq war which is a lie by Trump. Also, he is not a hard core conservative regardless of what he says now. I still voted for Trump without liking him, because he's better than Hillary or anything the left has to offer.

Posted by: YatYas at February 27, 2017 05:09 PM (xN9Un)

374 You want George Bush to die tonight? Really?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 27, 2017 05:09 PM (fDdVG)

375 Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (71OEY)

Well, what people tend to forget is that-

the first terrorist attack on the WTC had Iraqi gov't fingerprints all over it.

So, Iraq was probably going down almost no matter what. It was the whole rebuilding/democracy project which was flawed without destroying islam.

But, but, but the direct evidence for 911 led straight back to Saudi royalty and Emirate royalty-

both countries should be smoldering radioactive ruins today.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 27, 2017 05:09 PM (vZ9Fw)

376 Well, that's enough hysterical overreaction for one day.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 27, 2017 05:09 PM (wB8Tg)

377 W; just STFU and STFD. Sir.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 27, 2017 05:09 PM (hBIFh)

378 Pretty sure Iran-Iraq was a real war. More casualties than our Civil War (I).
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (jK8Z7)

Well, I was trying to think of a better term than "real war" but I meant any of the major world conflicts since WWI involving at least one 1st world military.

Iran - Iraq was just a horrific slugging match shit show.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:09 PM (wmaTe)

379 I like choo-choo too but fast choo-choo.

Posted by: Jerry Brown at February 27, 2017 05:10 PM (cOHS7)

380 No one called out the gutless Hillary Clinton.

Nearly no one. Cory Lewandowski did, triggering Van Jones's weird meltdown.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 05:10 PM (ul9CR)

381 "I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy," Bush said.
"That we need an independent media to hold people like me to account.

Yes, we do need an independent media. It's a pity we don't have one. Just saying "independent media" simply doesn't provide any useful information. Independent how? There is certainly no ideological diversity, nor commitment to objectivity. By this standard, we should all be defending Goebbels.
Posted by: pep at February 27, 2017 05:01 PM (LAe3v)

Exactly.

There is really nothing to disagree with in that statement with the possibility of it being evasive rather than confrontational.

If Bush was there to comment on current events, perhaps I would criticize him for not taking that more head on. When he's there pitching a book, sitting in front of a display on his book, and outright says, "Look, I'm here to sell a book...", and the interview was supposed to be about the book, but Lauer pulled the usual, "Well, before we get to that... when do you think Trump stopped beating wife? Was it before or after he started persecuting Muslims based solely on their religion?"...

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 05:10 PM (71OEY)

382 @332...the angelic light was vaseline on the lens. Or some lens filter to not show her roadmap of face wrinkles.

Her eyes show she is more insane than prior to November 8th. Her only happiness is now going to Broadway shows, or popping up in the woods in one of her tweedy hideous jackets. Bill does not care, he is dickin' the bimbo's.

If the puthy hat Dims want to get behind her giant behind in 2020, even if she is on a gurney, then I say yippie!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at February 27, 2017 05:10 PM (fq4ih)

383 I may have been a shitty President and help deliver Obama to you but, I can dodge a thrown shoe with best of'em.

Posted by: Dubya at February 27, 2017 05:11 PM (nN3W/)

384 He will be on with Hannity, he won't be walked into fighting strawmen at least.

Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2017 05:11 PM (HDU3V)

385 Guess I'll skip Hannity tonight then.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (ul9CR)

386 374 You want George Bush to die tonight? Really?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 27, 2017 05:09 PM (fDdVG)

Huh. yeah, you're right I'm a bad person. I thought meeting the Lord was a good thing. but too soon I guess?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (sxDSr)

387 Tonight actually would be groovy.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 27, 2017 05:07 PM (sxDSr)

I think that is an intemperate remark, and I hope we don't see anything like in the future.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (rF0hx)

388 "He did refuse to state who he was voting for, though, so there's a good chance it wasn't Trump.
Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:03 PM (nsZ+m)"

His brother Marvin voted for Gary Johnson.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (OD2ni)

389 @378 Well, I was trying to think of a better term than "real war" but I meant any of the major world conflicts since WWI involving at least one 1st world military.
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There haven't exactly been many of those. Though there are stories that the Soviets used gas against some communities in Afghanistan.

And in the biggest of the post-WW1 conflicts, it's believed that one of the reasons why Hitler was opposed to chemical weapons was because he'd been gassed in WW1.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (nsZ+m)

390 If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a shoe.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (QQ+il)

391 A propaganda machine that controls the major outlets is not "a free press".

Leftist hacks inside government that illegally leak to leftist media, POTUS phone calls to world leaders, are not brave patriots. The are criminals undermining the republic.

The Russian/Chinese/Saudi contributions in the billions to Hillary is not charity, it is sedition and treason. Those that "report" it as charity and coverup and co-conspirators, not free press.

When former Governor, former Goldman Sachs, player Corzine reached across the MF Global locked wall and took $1.5B to cover his leveraged "gambling" debt on Greek bonds (or whatever, I forget) ... and it is reported as no big deal ... that is not a "free press".

Most of the Trump haters live in the delusion engineered by the globalist cabal and carpet bombed onto the public via the not "free press" media.

This is war.

(and I just came back from another hour of exercise with the chainsaw so as not to get absorbed by the digital fake world ...

)

Posted by: illiniwek at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (YMJtx)

392 The shoe dodge was kinda epic though.

Especially W's smirk before the second shoe was flung.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (qXXFv)

393 >>Al Qaeda has always been a Saudi enterprise. They received most of their funding and support from Saudi citizens and the Saudi government going back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan when bin Laden showed up with his check book and a handful of Arabs to support the Pashtuns in repelling the infidels from Muslim land.

Not entirely. It's long been known that Iran has harbored al Qaeda fighters.

Bottom line is the Middle East is extremely complex and tribal as much as religious. And we really don't understand all the tribal bullshit as much as we think we do. There are grudges and secret affiliations that go back hundreds and hundreds of years.

I didn't always agree with Bush's approach to the war but I never doubted he was trying to win with dwindling support which I blame mostly on the media that did everything they could to try and hamstring him. And people do forget we actually did win in Iraq and had helped set up a nascent democratically elected government. Kind of hard to blame Bush for Obama throwing it all away.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (/tuJf)

394 Remember Trump Bitch Slapped Jeb hard ....................

Posted by: name at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (En9Fa)

395 "'I am for an immigration policy that's welcoming and upholds the law,' Bush said."

So's Trump's. Is that Bush's brain talking or the open borders Chamber of Commerce hand up his ass?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2017 05:13 PM (1CroS)

396 Btw, can we drop the "independent media" crap?
We made it thru the horror of civil war, expanded a nation, and became the greatest power with a media labeled by it's bias. Every town had a "Republican" or "Democrat" paper, along with countless other sources...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 27, 2017 05:13 PM (MINbv)

397 "385 Guess I'll skip Hannity tonight then."

What? A couple of karate chops headed your way.

Posted by: Sean "Sensei" Hannity at February 27, 2017 05:13 PM (OD2ni)

398 Iran - Iraq was just a horrific slugging match shit show.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

You call that a s*** show? That's not a s*** show. THIS is a s*** show.

Posted by: War of the Triple Alliance at February 27, 2017 05:13 PM (LAe3v)

399 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (sxDSr)

I didn't say you were a bad person. I have a problem with the comment.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 27, 2017 05:13 PM (fDdVG)

400 Jeb please clap is almost as good as the drunken Pelosi giving hints about applause lines.

Jeb is done. Unsure what his road to success is now, but, perhaps, he should take art lessons with his brother.

I am sure they are grooming Jeb's son to do something in future. These dynasties never die.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at February 27, 2017 05:13 PM (fq4ih)

401 Sort of confirms GWB's New World Order Globalist bona fides, as if there was any serious doubt!

I am still amazed and dismayed at how the "Republican" wing of the Uniparty so easily self assembles into a circular firing squad, while the "Democrat" wing of the Uniparty automatically and invariably forms up and circles the wagons into an impenetrable defensive laager!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 27, 2017 05:14 PM (UDXti)

402 Perino took a flying mic-stand to the face during the melee following the show-throwing incident.

I may throw a lot of guff at her, but I gotta admit, I've never seen a Press Secretary get a shiner in the line of duty before. And she was downright upright about it. Props for that.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 05:14 PM (ul9CR)

403 Ok...you can. Maybe I should have put a smiley face...here.

Now STFU.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 27, 2017 05:14 PM (sxDSr)

404 Independent Media? They are not independent and they are not reporters. Not when +90% of them vote Dem.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM (JO9+V)

405 346; trump didn't rape ashley judd. he gets the top shelf stuff whenever he wants.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM (KP5rU)

406 WTF is wrong with Trump? Even stupid dry drunk W knew better than fighting people who buy ink by the barrel. Trump seems more interested in being the most disliked person in the country than achieving his policy goals.

Posted by: Billl Wynn at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM (IfVuk)

407 Shoe not show.

arrgh.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM (ul9CR)

408 @400 I am sure they are grooming Jeb's son to do something in future. These dynasties never die.
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Are there any Kennedys still in public office? I think it's safe to say that's one political dynasty that's gone.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM (nsZ+m)

409 iJeb! was twice elected governor of a major state. He's done enough and should enjoy his retirement far from the bright lights.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM (QQ+il)

410 Now STFU.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 27, 2017 05:14 PM (sxDSr)

??

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM (fDdVG)

411 Duck his Shoe?

Posted by: garrett at February 27, 2017 05:16 PM (NXfyF)

412 >>> the interview was supposed to be about the book, but Lauer pulled the usual, "Well, before we get to that... when do you think Trump stopped beating wife?

How sad is it that the left honestly believes this about Melania, that she is some abused woman in a golden guilded cage? People are so "Concerned" for her, it's silly.

Are there any full length pics of her from the events yesterday? I can only find pics from the shoulders up. Wearing classic New Yorker black, but I want to see the dress' details.

Posted by: LizLem at February 27, 2017 05:16 PM (hvf9s)

413 400 Jeb please clap is almost as good as the drunken Pelosi giving hints about applause lines.

Heh-or the FAB reading her (sigh) cue.

So un-humanlike, they have to tell her when to sigh.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 05:17 PM (ul9CR)

414 So how bout them cubs?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 27, 2017 05:17 PM (sxDSr)

415 Trump seems more interested in being the most disliked person in the country than achieving his policy goals.

Another unforced error.

Posted by: Billl Wynn at February 27, 2017 05:18 PM (IfVuk)

416 Journalists are usually among the first victims when the train they're riding arrives at its destination.

Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at February 27, 2017 05:18 PM (LBO1U)

417 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:04 PM (wmaTe)

I agree, most of the money for al-Qaeda came from Saudi and Gulf State Islamists. But Saddam was cunning, and a few hundred thousand is cheap insurance in keeping AQ away.

I hope that Trump finds a way to put the hurt on IISIS by finding and stopping the rich Sunni support for ISIS.

Permanently. Because they will keep on giving, whether it was AQ, ISIS, or whatever fanatic group that comes next. Kill the money supply. Hopefully by bankrupting or destroying the money suppliers.

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 05:18 PM (iT57s)

418 Shoe not show.

arrgh.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM (ul9CR)

Ed Sullivan: Was it a really big shoe?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 27, 2017 05:18 PM (493sH)

419 I have a dream. A dream in which O'Keef has video of a drunken Hillary ranting backstage as the election falls apart for the dems. And in this dream he releases it after she's laid all the groundwork for her comeback.

Posted by: Dang at February 27, 2017 05:18 PM (LwRTD)

420 Guess I'll skip Hannity tonight then."
What? A couple of karate chops headed your way.
Posted by: Sean "Sensei" Hannity at February 27, 2017 05:13 PM

Don't look at me, its after my bed time

Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2017 05:18 PM (HDU3V)

421

Bob.

R
E
L
A
X

Posted by: ThunderB at February 27, 2017 05:18 PM (MZ/gs)

422 Are there any Kennedys still in public office? I think it's safe to say that's one political dynasty that's gone.

Posted by: junior

They aren't alone.

Posted by: The Adams Family at February 27, 2017 05:18 PM (LAe3v)

423 Off to the heavy bag. just needed some motivation. GW did it. Later all.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 27, 2017 05:19 PM (sxDSr)

424 Posted by: naturalfake at February 27, 2017 05:09 PM (vZ9Fw)

Valid points.

Saudi Arabia has been backstabbing and double dealing us forever... but we can deal with them. They're jackasses but they're generally more of an asset than liability in most cases, present less of a direct threat than Iraq or Iran or N Korea or...

Our handling of post-Saddam Iraq was a clusterfuck (W admits as much in his book and goes into a lot of detail on his mistakes). Right intent, naive and terrible execution.

Had Iraq gone according to plan... I think things would be vastly different. I think Pakistan and Iran would have rapidly evolved into very different places or been next on the list of "Place to make an example of and Sell Off to Walmart".

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 05:19 PM (71OEY)

425 Interesting bit that Bush (land commish) supported Trump.
Fun to watch, that was.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 27, 2017 05:19 PM (MINbv)

426 Bill does not care, he is dickin' the bimbo's.

Last picture I saw of Bill it looks more like he's concentrating on taking his next breath.

Al Qaeda has always been a Saudi enterprise.

I think people make a serious mistake about Saudi Arabia when they talk like this. It is not a single unified bloc of like-minded people in a solid cultural agreement on policy. Its an oligarchy made up of a royal family with scores of princes each richer than Croesus, with their own agendas. Some are radical Muslims, some are atheist hedonists, some are pragmatists, etc, etc.

Are some Saudi princes big on al`Qaeda? Absolutely. Is the king? I don't think so, he seems midly religious and mostly interested in his family and keeping power and oil money flowing. But to act like its official Saudi policy to back terrorism or fund al`Qaeda misreads the situation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:19 PM (39g3+)

427
Bob.

R

E

L

A

X

Or fuck off. Either / or

Posted by: pep at February 27, 2017 05:20 PM (LAe3v)

428
400 These dynasties never die.

See my comment above about the ice flow thing.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 27, 2017 05:20 PM (nN3W/)

429 Are there any Kennedys still in public office? I think it's safe to say that's one political dynasty that's gone.

Posted by: junior

Chris Kennedy (one of Bobby's kids) is running for governor of Illinois. As if we don't have enough problems.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 27, 2017 05:20 PM (493sH)

430 "'People who murder the innocent are not religious people,' Bush said."

Really? So, by definition, if you kill someone innocent, you're not religious? There's a commandment that even addresses that, and it's directed at all people, especially the religious, and there's no exclusion clause about killing making you "not religious".

Bush must've gone to Hollywood Upstairs Protestant Church next door to Dr. Nick Riviera's alma mater.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (1CroS)

431 408
@400 I am sure they are grooming Jeb's son to do something in future. These dynasties never die.

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Are there any Kennedys still in public office? I think it's safe to say that's one political dynasty that's gone.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM (nsZ+m)

I eagerly await George P. Bush vs. Chelsea Clinton-Mezvensky in 2032. And yes, there are Kennedys still around. One of them, Caroline, was just Ambassador to Japan, and Joe Kennedy III took Barney Frank's old seat in the House. I don't know what Patrick Kennedy is up to now, but he can't be counted out.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (jK8Z7)

432 @429 Chris Kennedy (one of Bobby's kids) is running for governor of Illinois. As if we don't have enough problems.
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What are his chances of getting the nomination?

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (nsZ+m)

433

Been a long time since Bill and Bob have seen crocs on the knees

A little humor

Posted by: ThunderB at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (MZ/gs)

434 At least Bush never said he was one of those "severe conservatives", so there's that. He's right in character.

Posted by: Pete Seria at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (lJW6d)

435 And in the biggest of the post-WW1 conflicts, it's believed that one of the reasons why Hitler was opposed to chemical weapons was because he'd been gassed in WW1.
Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:12 PM (nsZ+m)

...Or because they're just shitty weapons in a war situation.

Various poisonous gases are expensive, volatile, hard to transport and deliver to where you want them to go to, and most of them disperse fairly quickly.

It wasn't an act of altruism or love of the geneva convention or bad memories that kept Hitler (or the Soviets, or Chinese, or Vietnamese, or whomever) from deploying chemical weapons -- they're just not very practical weapons of war.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (wmaTe)

436 e Bush dynasty is dead and buried,

I reiterate my wish that Trump take a trip to Hyannisport and finish whatever is left of the Kennedy's now that he's finished the Clintons and the Bushes.

Posted by: DaveA at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (8J/Te)

437 I blame Bush!

Posted by: filbert at February 27, 2017 05:22 PM (j94Z3)

438 400 I am sure they are grooming Jeb's son to do something in future. These dynasties never die
-------------

I think the plan was President George P. Bush of the North American Union during the transition period to President Chelsea Clinton of the Western Hemisphere Common Market which was to be followed by President Malia Obama of Pan-Gaia.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 05:22 PM (3OAG2)

439 I don't know what Patrick Kennedy is up to now, but he can't be counted out.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (jK8Z7)

Didn't he get a DUI a few years ago?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:22 PM (wmaTe)

440
This is the same stupid ass who was president when 911 happened...and then invaded Iraq 18 months later.

George Bush can go to Hell.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 27, 2017 05:23 PM (AKOhm)

441 https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/gun-ownership-right
Short video and finally know how to pronounce his name.

Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2017 05:23 PM (HDU3V)

442 Is Bill Wynn a sock, a Soros schmuck, or just a little touched?

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 05:23 PM (iT57s)

443 I don't know what Patrick Kennedy is up to now, but he can't be counted out.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (jK8Z7)

Didn't he get a DUI a few years ago?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:22 PM (wmaTe)

Ted Kennedy: DUI? What's the big deal. It's not like he killed someone..errr...

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 27, 2017 05:23 PM (493sH)

444 And in the biggest of the post-WW1 conflicts, it's believed that one of the reasons why Hitler was opposed to chemical weapons was because he'd been gassed in WW1.

Yeah but less about "I don't want to use these awful weapons" than "we can't control who gets gassed well enough." Hitler as an insane monster who was evil as hell, but he really did care about the German people very, very much. He didn't want his soldiers to get gassed by accident.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:23 PM (39g3+)

445

Kennedy are like zombies

They keep coming, slower, and with less intellect

Posted by: ThunderB at February 27, 2017 05:23 PM (MZ/gs)

446 What would you have him do?

I'd have W be smart enough to never do an interview with Matt Lauer ... regardless of the pretext ... because the results will never be good. No matter what.

That, apparently, is too much to ask.

I don't pity W for any of the backlash - no matter how unfair - because the fucker brought it on himself. Again.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 27, 2017 05:23 PM (fiGNd)

447 I think the plan was President George P. Bush of the North American Union during the transition period to President Chelsea Clinton of the Western Hemisphere Common Market which was to be followed by President Malia Obama of Pan-Gaia.

Then Malia steps in and steals the nomination from Chelsea and the slapfight ensues, right?

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:23 PM (TppKb)

448 Didn't he get a DUI a few years ago?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:22 PM (wmaTe)

Is there a Kennedy that hasn't?

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 27, 2017 05:24 PM (UDXti)

449 "Posted by: Billl Wynn at February 27, 2017 05:15 PM"

Hi Bill, how are those North Carolina polls looking for Hillary? Still think it will be an early night?

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 05:24 PM (OD2ni)

450 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:19 PM (39g3+)

Yes, those caveats apply (somewhat). My point still stands.

For example -- the Saud family probably isn't a huge fan of Wahhabism. And yet, for political reasons, they spend untold millions funding Wahhabi mosques worldwide every year.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:24 PM (wmaTe)

451 @439: "Didn't he get a DUI a few years ago?"

Yes, Ambien related, and since there wasn't a dead secretary in the car, they actually prosecuted him.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 27, 2017 05:25 PM (qXXFv)

452 Is there a Kennedy that hasn't?
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 27, 2017 05:24 PM (UDXti)

Michael Skakel. No DUI's as far as I know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:25 PM (wmaTe)

453
Bush promised Poland a missile shield from an aggressive Russia.

obama canceled that missile shield because obama was Putin's lap dog.

But I don't remember Bush (or the Fake News) criticizing obama for betraying our ally Poland for Putin's sake.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 27, 2017 05:25 PM (AKOhm)

454 Various poisonous gases are expensive, volatile, hard to transport and
deliver to where you want them to go to, and most of them disperse
fairly quickly.

It wasn't an act of altruism or love of the geneva convention or bad
memories that kept Hitler (or the Soviets, or Chinese, or Vietnamese,
or whomever) from deploying chemical weapons -- they're just not very
practical weapons of war.

Disagree.

Posted by: Kim Jong Nam at February 27, 2017 05:25 PM (LAe3v)

455 Exit polls out of PA are brutal for Trump. Going to be an early night. Get used to saying Madame Cankles!

Posted by: Will Bynn at February 27, 2017 05:26 PM (ul9CR)

456 If he wants illegal immigrants to have free access to his ranch, fine, as long as he ditches his private a SS security and thus lives like the rest of us have to.

By the way his daughter Barbra is giving a big money talk to satanic baby killing outfit planned Parenthood.

Fuck you W for betraying the hope so many conservatives, in every way possible.

Posted by: Jihadi at February 27, 2017 05:26 PM (UqjFu)

457 EARLY NIGHT! Drink!

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 27, 2017 05:26 PM (/f1mm)

458

Bill Wynn

Hillary

Atlanta

Lala land

Magic touch

Posted by: ThunderB at February 27, 2017 05:26 PM (MZ/gs)

459 "443 I don't know what Patrick Kennedy is up to now, but he can't be counted out.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (jK8Z7)

Didn't he get a DUI a few years ago? "

Yes. He told the cops to let him go because he was on his way to the House for a very important vote. It was 4am.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 05:26 PM (OD2ni)

460 George W. Bush will never be president again.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 27, 2017 05:26 PM (97XyN)

461 Michael Skakel. No DUI's as far as I know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:25 PM (wmaTe)

SO, one of the "good" Kennedys?

/s

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 27, 2017 05:26 PM (UDXti)

462 I don't pity W for any of the backlash - no matter how unfair - because the fucker brought it on himself. Again.

Look, we have had 16 years of Presidents who made Bill Clinton look good.

And yes, in the end, history will put Bill Clinton above George W Bush. He may have been an asshole but he made few big mistakes.

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:27 PM (TppKb)

463
What are his chances of getting the nomination?

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2017 05:21 PM (nsZ+m)

I think he's the first to announce so it might depend on how many jump in the race for the Dem nom.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 27, 2017 05:27 PM (493sH)

464 Had Iraq gone according to plan... I think things
would be vastly different. I think Pakistan and Iran would have rapidly
evolved into very different places or been next on the list of "Place to
make an example of and Sell Off to Walmart".

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 05:19 PM (71OEY)

From a strategic standpoint, if you assume that Iran is the actual enemy and that we have been at war with them since 1979, then after the fall of Iraq we had forces stationed in its eastern border (Afghanistan) and southern border (Iraq), with Pakistan (eastern border) being compliant, and forces nearby in Georgia and Turkey. Things could have turned out a lot differently. Unfortunately, we had one party actively working for America's defeat starting with the 2004 election, then into 2006 when they took Congress, with the culmination being in 2008 when an actual Iranian sympathizer was put into the White House. Stalemate in Afghanistan, withdrawal from Iraq, and so-called nuclear deal (which is actually not a deal at all, just a cave-in on sanctions and payment for hostages).

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:27 PM (jK8Z7)

465 Originally Bill Wynn was a dem pretending to be a Republican. Since then it appears to have been a sock.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at February 27, 2017 05:27 PM (m3iiU)

466 George W. Bush will never be president again.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 27, 2017 05:26 PM (97XyN)

Cloyd ... did I see on a thread a few days ago that you were looking at a DPMS ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 27, 2017 05:27 PM (fiGNd)

467
Pelosi stupidly lies that President Trump has no "jobs bill."

His Exec Orders cancelling stupid regulations IS A JOBS CREATOR.

President Trump's order for Keystone to proceed IS A JOBS BILL.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 27, 2017 05:27 PM (AKOhm)

468 >>I don't know what Patrick Kennedy is up to now, but he can't be counted out.

Oh yes he can. Patches is from the area. Trust me, that boy ain't right in the head.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 05:28 PM (/tuJf)

469 A sock?
Well, I was doing laundry earlier...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 27, 2017 05:28 PM (MINbv)

470 And yes, in the end, history will put Bill Clinton
above George W Bush. He may have been an asshole but he made few big
mistakes.

Posted by: JEM

**cough** letting Osama bin Laden go **cough**

Posted by: pep at February 27, 2017 05:29 PM (LAe3v)

471 "451 @439: "Didn't he get a DUI a few years ago?"

Yes, Ambien related, and since there wasn't a dead secretary in the car, they actually prosecuted him."

Kerry Kennedy (RFK daughter and Cuomo ex) claimed her DWI was caused by Ambien as well I believe.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 05:29 PM (OD2ni)

472 Freedom of the Press as envisioned by the Founders was not as a watchdog group over government but that if you wanted to start a paper, you could, without government influence. You were on the hook legally for what you printed, but you cold say pretty much what you wanted.
Start a newspaper. Start a magazine. Start (today) a blog.
Where this is a real threat to our representative democracy is when most the organs of the press line up on one side. Then add to that their failure to deal with facts. Now you have an arm of propaganda that becomes a tool for one side of the political spectrum.
The threat is very real.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 27, 2017 05:29 PM (0tfLf)

473 467
Pelosi stupidly lies that President Trump has no "jobs bill."

His Exec Orders cancelling stupid regulations IS A JOBS CREATOR.

President Trump's order for Keystone to proceed IS A JOBS BILL.

Just about every position president trump takes is a jobs bill.

Posted by: USNtakim at February 27, 2017 05:29 PM (hMqvx)

474

Jebs boy, a lesser Kennedy, Malis, and Chelsea

This is like fuck, marry, kill

Posted by: ThunderB at February 27, 2017 05:30 PM (MZ/gs)

475 SO, one of the "good" Kennedys?

/s
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 27, 2017 05:26 PM (UDXti)

..Welllll, compared to Ted Kennedy...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:30 PM (wmaTe)

476 He may have been an asshole but he made few big mistakes.

In terms of just doing the job of president, he was pretty good at it. In terms of his personal actions and his corruption, he was worse than Harding. Its a mixed bag, and for that reason I couldn't rank him very high in the list o' presidents.

Frankly I'd put Bush pretty close to him in the middle of the pack. There's been worse (Carter, Obama) by far.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:30 PM (39g3+)

477
Alternative post title:

Another Republican Becomes Useful Idiot For The Benefit Of The DNC's Fake News Media Complex, This Time It's Former President Bush

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 27, 2017 05:30 PM (AKOhm)

478 Posted by: Kim Jong Nam at February 27, 2017 05:25 PM (LAe3v)

If Japan or South Korea get hit, there is an Ohio Class or two that is going home empty.

Posted by: rd at February 27, 2017 05:30 PM (iT57s)

479 >>**cough** letting Osama bin Laden go **cough**

Well that and basically ignoring Islamic terrorism metastasizing for his entire term and doing nothing.

The only reason Bubba will be remembered fondly is because he's on the left and the media loves him.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2017 05:31 PM (/tuJf)

480 Well that tears it.

FU GWB

Posted by: groovemetal at February 27, 2017 05:31 PM (GZSAO)

481 Speaking of Kennedys, I guess Joe Kennedy is not getting paid to shill for the commies in Venezuela anymore.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 27, 2017 05:31 PM (OD2ni)

482 472,
Agreed. The progs got their hooks into electronic media with the "public airwaves" bull excrement, so we still have that to overcome

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 27, 2017 05:31 PM (MINbv)

483 Pelosi stupidly lies that President Trump has no "jobs bill."

Yeah, Obama had a bunch of em and unemployment was horrible under his tenure. The government doesn't make jobs, it just kills them. President Trump is getting the government out of the way, so there can be jobs.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:31 PM (39g3+)

484 Unfortunately, we had one party actively working for America's defeat starting with the 2004 election

The problem is this: when Bush 43 went into Iraq he hitched his wagon to Dem Congressional support.

In retrospect, the whole thing seems much uglier even than it did at the time. Intelligence assets proved to be half of that word. He trusted Rumsfeld to cook up the right force structure, which proved to be half the boots necessary to hold what we'd taken. And in the end...if you're going to fight a war of convenience, you have to get it over with FAST and take something worth taking. Like Texas.

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:32 PM (TppKb)

485 WOO-HOO! DEMS WIN FIRST ELECTION OF TRUMP ERA! IN DELAWARE! PROOF THAT THE PUSSY HAT MARCH WORKED!

Posted by: HuffPo at February 27, 2017 05:33 PM (FqgrG)

486 The problem is this: when Bush 43 went into Iraq he hitched his wagon to Dem Congressional support.

Said it then ... will say it now. If it was worth all that we poured into it - it was worth a Declaration of War.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 27, 2017 05:33 PM (fiGNd)

487
Pelosi stupidly lies that President Trump has no "jobs bill."

She's also the assclown who told us we had to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it and now she's attacking PDT for not having specifics in his repeal and replace plan

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 27, 2017 05:34 PM (lKyWE)

488 The government doesn't make jobs, it just kills them.

Done right, it provides the conditions that allow jobs to flourish, specifically a predictable set of laws and rules which constrain the bad actors without overly burdening everyone else. Unfortunately, there are lots of peawits out there who think government actually creates jobs and economic activity.

Posted by: pep at February 27, 2017 05:34 PM (LAe3v)

489 Posted by: USNtakim at February 27, 2017 05:29 PM (hMqvx)

But Congress didn't pass it. Do you realize how many earmarks and graft haven't been created? Dammit, bribes need to be repaid!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi and her well renumerated husband at February 27, 2017 05:34 PM (iT57s)

490 By the way, here's a forgotten 80s classic for the sidebar.

https://youtu.be/Ofz0iJQd-xU

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:34 PM (39g3+)

491
**cough** letting Osama bin Laden go **cough**

And more than once.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at February 27, 2017 05:35 PM (FqgrG)

492 e). The maskirova worked so well that even Saddam didn't know what he had.

Posted by: DaveA at February 27, 2017 05:35 PM (8J/Te)

493 If CBD really wanted to punish us, he'd post some of GWB's "art" on tomorrow morning's thread.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:35 PM (W8bn5)

494 And yes, in the end, history will put Bill Clinton
above George W Bush. He may have been an asshole but he made few big
mistakes.

Posted by: JEM
****

Not even.
He sold missile secrets to China for campaign cash. Somalia. He let N. Korea get nukes. He did little to stop Iran from getting Nukes.
Bin Laden? 9/11 was possible thanks to his admin's corruption. Haiti?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at February 27, 2017 05:36 PM (m3iiU)

495 Done right, it provides the conditions that allow jobs to flourish, specifically a predictable set of laws and rules which constrain the bad actors without overly burdening everyone else.

Well ... they did create a lot of demand for Sturm Ruger, Springfield, and such over the last either years.

Just being a smart ass. It's kind of my "thing".

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 27, 2017 05:36 PM (fiGNd)

496 The problem is that if the Media did the jobs they were supposed to do, no Democrat would ever be elected to any position, ever.

And the Media does not want that state of affairs. They want Democrats in power, because Democrats love they way they do things now.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 27, 2017 05:36 PM (MZcWR)

497 Done right, it provides the conditions that allow jobs to flourish, specifically a predictable set of laws and rules which constrain the bad actors without overly burdening everyone else.

Yeah but it does that by getting out of the way. When government tries to interfere with the economy it kills jobs. Stay back, do your job of getting bad guys and protecting the nation from threats, maintain infrastructure between states, and things will be much better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:36 PM (39g3+)

498 Maskirova ? the exotic dancer from Rasputin bar ?

Posted by: runner at February 27, 2017 05:37 PM (c6/9Q)

499 Bush. More than annoying. Affords Obama every courtesy for 8 years as he slashes and burns his way through this country and the Constitution. And now, Bush can't keep his mouth shut -- thinly veiled, my patoottie. Probably would have voted for Egg McMuffin if he couldn't have voted for Hillary.

Posted by: gracepc at February 27, 2017 05:37 PM (OU4q6)

500 ChimpyMcBush is playing 9-d chess here, - one order of magnitude below Gluteus Barackus, a fucking master of the yeti gambit.

Posted by: Fritz at February 27, 2017 05:37 PM (YAPkP)

501 I have a dream. A dream in which O'Keef has video of a drunken Hillary ranting backstage as the election falls apart for the dems. And in this dream he releases it after she's laid all the groundwork for her comeback.

Posted by: Dang

Supposedly she did throw objects at Mook and Podesta. Given the ubiquity of smartphones, I've got to think there's a video, and that it still exists, since it would be worth millions.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:37 PM (W8bn5)

502 462,
"Look, we have had 16 years of Presidents who made Bill Clinton look good."

We've had 28 years of down-down-down. And that's not all. I'm 68. I figure there have been only 20 years of my life with "good" presidents and that's giving credit to my first 12 years where it didn't even come into my mind that they were good or bad and so that was good, AFAIK.

Posted by: geoffb5 at February 27, 2017 05:37 PM (d3wbb)

503 Said it then ... will say it now. If it was worth all that we poured into it - it was worth a Declaration of War.

Absolutely. And it was worth a much bigger mobilization if you're going to do it and get it over with.

Bush 41 shot down Powell when he tried to weasel out of Kuwait, and in the end forced him to send in 400K troopers. Bush 43 did not have the experience of his father and was badly misled by his DoD on force size and tactics.

Once we were stuck in Iraq the Dems put the screws to Bush, and he was completely dependent on them domestically for the rest of his term.

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:37 PM (TppKb)

504
he's still a trillion times better than kerry
Posted by: concrete girl

A trillion times nothing is nothing.

Posted by: Billy Preston at February 27, 2017 05:38 PM (IqV8l)

505 The problem is this: when Bush 43 went into Iraq he hitched his wagon to Dem Congressional support.

...

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:32 PM (TppKb)

I really blame Bush for this, he should have known that he had little more than a year to the next election and that the Dems would immediately begin to sabotage anything he tried because a US military success was anathema to the Dems.

Glass parking lots are quick, simple to implement, serve pour enourager les autres and hard to reverse or sabotage by the enemies within!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 27, 2017 05:38 PM (UDXti)

506 The problem is that if the Media did the jobs they were supposed to do, no Democrat would ever be elected to any position, ever.

Not as the party is right now, no. Eventually they would clean up their act, kick out the extremists, and could get back into the game. But yeah until then? Landslide defeats.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:39 PM (39g3+)

507 "Don't we need an adversarial media?"

Uh, yeah, that's kind of why we are all pissed. You only find your cock and balls during Republican administrations.

Posted by: no good deed at February 27, 2017 05:39 PM (hJamr)

508 I figure there have been only 20 years of my life with "good" presidents

I'm 55, and let's see, eight years of Reagan and...

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:39 PM (TppKb)

509 "failure to deal with facts. Now you have an arm of propaganda that becomes a tool for one side of the political spectrum. The threat is very real. Posted by: Diogenes

yeah, except I'd say it is not a tool for one side, it is a weapon of the deep state, and the globalist cabal. They don't lean left, they try to undermine the republic for the benefit of the multi-nationals and ideological "fascists". They try to destroy duly elected officials if they don't bend the knee, if they couldn't kill them in the "womb".

They are enemies, foreign and domestic. They pushed Hillary despite all her crimes ... all her foreign money (which they actively covered up). That is not "leaning left". That is down with the cause, that is "woke".

Posted by: illiniwek at February 27, 2017 05:39 PM (YMJtx)

510 Supposedly she did throw objects at Mook and Podesta. Given the ubiquity of smartphones, I've got to think there's a video, and that it still exists, since it would be worth millions.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:37 PM (W8bn5)

Unless the thrown objects were their smartphones, in which case we may be out of luck.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 05:40 PM (3OAG2)

511 Bubble Boy Bush Blabs About His Betters

meh

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 27, 2017 05:40 PM (KgpWR)

512 Not even.
He sold missile secrets to China for campaign cash. Somalia. He let N. Korea get nukes. He did little to stop Iran from getting Nukes.
Bin Laden? 9/11 was possible thanks to his admin's corruption. Haiti?
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at February 27, 2017 05:36 PM (m3iiU)

You forgot impeachment, all the sexual misconduct here, and Pedo Island.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 27, 2017 05:41 PM (kXoT0)

513 Bush 43 did not have the experience of his father and was badly misled by his DoD on force size and tactics.

Well he had the right force to win, but the wrong to rebuild and hold. The mistake was rebuilding. The USA, no matter how horrible this is, will not stand for a long rebuilding campaign again. It just can't be done. In and out, while the rubble bounces is all we can do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:41 PM (39g3+)

514 Oh, and BJ Clinton castrated our military for no good reason, so that when when we had a threat to deal with we had to play catch up. Men died over that sh*t.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at February 27, 2017 05:41 PM (0x/TW)

515 Supposedly she did throw objects at Mook and Podesta. Given the ubiquity of smartphones, I've got to think there's a video, and that it still exists, since it would be worth millions.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:37 PM (W8bn5)

Yeah, but, are they worth dying for, that's the real question....

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 27, 2017 05:42 PM (kXoT0)

516 Glass parking lots are quick, simple to implement, serve pour enourager les autres and hard to reverse or sabotage by the enemies within!

All we really had to do was create Lake Tora Bora in October 2001 and it'd have been Central Asia's tourist hub in five years...

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:42 PM (TppKb)

517
I said it last week: Donald Trump, so far, is the Best President of my entire lifetime.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 27, 2017 05:42 PM (AKOhm)

518 That's some funny stuff up there /\

Posted by: Thinks he's Archer at February 27, 2017 05:43 PM (gbWkA)

519 505; glass parking lots stripe nice too. not many irregularities.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 27, 2017 05:43 PM (KP5rU)

520 Bush's interaction with the media during his presidency can be described as: Bend over, spread butt cheeks, and yell 'thank you daddy give me more'.

Posted by: JC at February 27, 2017 05:43 PM (3GSgE)

521 Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein tried to kill his daddy. It was payback time. Take out Saddam, without a thought in the world who or what would replace him.

Posted by: JuJuBee at February 27, 2017 05:43 PM (dargh)

522 Well he had the right force to win, but the wrong to rebuild and hold. The mistake was rebuilding. The USA, no matter how horrible this is, will not stand for a long rebuilding campaign again. It just can't be done. In and out, while the rubble bounces is all we can do.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:41 PM (39g3+)

Maybe, but we'll never know since Fredo Cut and Ran after Bush has Stabilized the situation.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 05:43 PM (KlI/a)

523 Tell Dubya to shut his whore mouth.......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 27, 2017 05:43 PM (5VlCp)

524 I said it last week: Donald Trump, so far, is the Best President of my entire lifetime.

===

fuckin A

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 27, 2017 05:44 PM (KgpWR)

525 Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein tried to kill his daddy. It was payback time. Take out Saddam, without a thought in the world who or what would replace him.
Posted by: JuJuBee at February 27, 2017 05:43 PM (dargh)

File that one under: BULLSHIT

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 05:44 PM (KlI/a)

526 As for Bush, I like him as a man--his continued devotion to the troops is a very good thing. He would not criticize Obama because--his successor and Black. But, Trump is the rude bumpkin who upset the Pubbie dynasties, so it's safe to bash him.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 27, 2017 05:44 PM (kXoT0)

527 Bush 43 did not have the experience of his father and was badly misled by his DoD on force size and tactics.

Once we were stuck in Iraq the Dems put the screws to Bush, and he was completely dependent on them domestically for the rest of his term.
Posted by: JEM a

The problem with that is it was eminently foreseeable the US public wouldn't support a +10yr occupation.

They gave up on the project in less than 5. It was folly to expect that the US public would support a temporary occupation let alone what was needed; a generation-long colonization of Iraq.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2017 05:45 PM (4YGWz)

528 One of Bush's daughter gave a speech at a planned parenthood fundraiser.

Very sad
Posted by: Yo! at February 27, 2017 04:09 PM (GwIKd)

He wife is pro-abortion. Christian school my kid went to was going to invite her to speak until I pointed that out. Had it been more generally known, I doubt Dubya gets elected in 2000.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 27, 2017 05:45 PM (/65jp)

529 In retrospect:

1. The looting should have been nipped in the bud immediately and not allowed to spread. Maybe Rumsfeld thought it was good as a photo op of liberated Iraqis "celebrating."

2 Should not have disbanded the army but rather cut off its head and reformed it. Keep paying the rank and file to keep them out of trouble and find things for them to do like clearing war damage.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 05:45 PM (3OAG2)

530 Said it then ... will say it now. If it was worth all that we poured into it - it was worth a Declaration of War.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 27, 2017 05:33 PM (fiGNd)

The Dems still would have begun the sabotage the day after the Declaration of War had been enacted, but their fingerprints would have been formally on it and might have constrained it a bit.

Nonetheless, there should be no more foreign adventures without a formal Declaration of War.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 27, 2017 05:45 PM (UDXti)

531 Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein tried to kill his daddy. It was payback time.

Put the cork back on your fork before you put the other eye out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 27, 2017 05:45 PM (39g3+)

532 Bush second term was my first republican vote. I figured he'd need the help against the Dem machine the media (as I watched them slide into progressive mode to get their guy elected)
and the weak kneed republicans behind himjoing with dems to undermine our guys fighting over yonder.

saying that I was astounded that He allowed the media and the dems and the stalwart Barf republicans to put their finger in the air to check how the wind blew to cover their own next election prospects...

now that he has come out and decided He will finally speak up! but against the guy middle America decided we Needed to stop the slide into a permanent uniparty..

well Bush.. i'm disappointed in you. not that you'd care obviously

cannot believe how many friends I bumped out of my life over this b.s and then they turn around and backstab all through Obama the people that supported them.

Posted by: willow at February 27, 2017 05:45 PM (R7cwD)

533 Another Republican Becomes Useful Idiot For The Benefit Of The DNC's Fake News Media Complex, This Time It's Former President Bush

Posted by: Soothsayer 45

With all due respect, I don't think he's a useful idiot. He's part of the Uniparty. He's getting something out of this. Whenever I hear 'useful idiot', I think 'Democrat voter who gets killed by an illegal or terrorist'. That will never happen to Dubya.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:46 PM (W8bn5)

534 Michael Skakel. No DUI's as far as I know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 27, 2017 05:25 PM (wmaTe)

That's true. he wasn't drunk, although I think he used a driver....

Posted by: Martha Moxley at February 27, 2017 05:46 PM (rF0hx)

535 >>> The government doesn't make jobs, it just kills them.
.....

This.

Unless, of course, you consider creating agencies full of GSA employees for life who and trillions in cost to doing business while causing 5X the damage they are supposed to prevent... when they are not too busy filing frivolous employment lawsuits, taking countless holidays, sick time, vacation time, PTO, AND various other time off to be "jobs created".

Great example: How many of these fucksticks have we heard about who never actually showed up for work for YEARS but got paid obscene amounts of money and are now retired at 30 years old with vast pensions and benefits?

Different example: In Obama's 8 years, $20 trillion was added to the debt yet we have nothing to show for it. Imagine if- pick your favorite private business- we're given even 1/1000th of $20 trillion to invest. What would be different? Imagine if that $20 trillion, plus the additionally trillions in lifetime interest was not removed from the economy and simply left in taxpayer's pockets?

Oh... the current debit ceiling expires on March 17th, which means our benevolent government will be out of cash again in a couple months. Think we're not getting another giant debt ceiling raise and firing up the printing presses again?

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 05:46 PM (71OEY)

536 I'm 55, and let's see, eight years of Reagan and...
===

And five weeks of Trump!

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 27, 2017 05:47 PM (OVUYQ)

537 One of Bush's daughter gave a speech at a planned parenthood fundraiser.

===

Same one that supported Hillary at HER fundraiser.

Just like Pappy.

Shit apples and shit trees.

/Trailer Park Superintendent Jim Lahey

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 27, 2017 05:47 PM (KgpWR)

538 In retrospect, the whole thing seems much uglier
even than it did at the time. Intelligence assets proved to be half of
that word. He trusted Rumsfeld to cook up the right force structure,
which proved to be half the boots necessary to hold what we'd taken.
And in the end...if you're going to fight a war of convenience, you have
to get it over with FAST and take something worth taking. Like Texas.

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:32 PM (TppKb)

Agreed. The force was sufficient to take Iraq, but not to hold it. I don't think anyone was prepared for how broken the country was. Normally, after the surrender, the fire department still shows up for work and the utilities still deliver electricity and water and everybody sorts out the new structure. In Iraq, everything had been run by fear for so long that the country was paralyzed without the state terror apparatus.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:47 PM (jK8Z7)

539 2 Should not have disbanded the army but rather cut off its head and reformed it. Keep paying the rank and file to keep them out of trouble and find things for them to do like clearing war damage.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 27, 2017 05:45 PM (3OAG2)

Yup...3rd world militaries, especially Arab ones, are only good at killing their own civilians. Something we should be aware of and use them to do. Often.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 27, 2017 05:47 PM (5VlCp)

540 Nood

Posted by: lindarising at February 27, 2017 05:48 PM (JNDQi)

541 With all due respect, I don't think he's a useful idiot. He's part of the Uniparty. He's getting something out of this. Whenever I hear 'useful idiot', I think 'Democrat voter who gets killed by an illegal or terrorist'. That will never happen to Dubya.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:46 PM (W8bn5)

True. The absolutely nauseating friendship with BJ and Hillz springs to mind. Yeah, you were both POTUS and that gives you a bond, but, the man is total scum.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 27, 2017 05:48 PM (kXoT0)

542 A trillion times nothing is nothing.
Posted by: Billy Preston at February 27, 2017 05:38 PM (IqV8l)
-----------
I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: Weasel at February 27, 2017 05:48 PM (Sfs6o)

543 nooo

Posted by: willow at February 27, 2017 05:48 PM (R7cwD)

544 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 27, 2017 05:35 PM (W8bn5)

I'm a prick, but I'm not that much of a prick!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 27, 2017 05:49 PM (rF0hx)

545 He's been dead to me ever since he went all kissy face with the muzzies after 9/11. We should have deported them all then.

Posted by: itsacookbook at February 27, 2017 05:49 PM (yPxXc)

546 the entire bush family can just go away and stfu. they had their chance, and blew it in the name of the new world order. fuck em all.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 27, 2017 05:50 PM (KP5rU)

547 nooo

Posted by: willow at February 27, 2017 05:48 PM (R7cwD)

Trying to hold on to that legacy I see!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 27, 2017 05:50 PM (UDXti)

548 Different example: In Obama's 8 years, $20 trillion was added to the
debt yet we have nothing to show for it. Imagine if- pick your favorite
private business- we're given even 1/1000th of $20 trillion to invest.
What would be different? Imagine if that $20 trillion, plus the
additionally trillions in lifetime interest was not removed from the
economy and simply left in taxpayer's pockets?

Bastiat made this point in an excellent way 150 years ago, in "That Which Is Seen, and That Which Is Not Seen."

http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:50 PM (jK8Z7)

549 The problem with that is it was eminently foreseeable the US public wouldn't support a +10yr occupation.

This is absolutely true. And I'm sure Rumsfeld would have agreed. The problem was that he expected supposedly-existing 'civil society' entities to stand up - but the ones that did stood up against us, and we didn't have the troops on every street corner to shoot them dead, as we had had in Japan and Germany.

There was a great piece way-back-when that analyzed the occupation force sizes on a square-mile and per-resident basis and concluded we needed 400K troopers in Iraq to achieve the same level of control we'd had in Germany in '45. Rumsfeld sent in half that, and then his generals went 'force protection' to avoid casualties.

Posted by: JEM at February 27, 2017 05:50 PM (TppKb)

550 I'll go along with them not being religious if the official recognition of Islam as a religion is terminated.

Posted by: Mathers at February 27, 2017 05:53 PM (3myMJ)

551 Only six hits for "religion of peace" shiite that Gerorge W Bush spewed out on, what was it, 9-12-2001?

And it was downhill from there on.

Trying to buy peace from muslims is no different than giving them straight up tribute.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 27, 2017 05:54 PM (P/kVC)

552 Cloyd ... did I see on a thread a few days ago that you were looking at a DPMS ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 27, 2017 05:27 PM (fiGNd)

Well, sort of. I linked to a DPMS on sale for $399, which seems like a great price to me. I haven't bought one, though.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 27, 2017 05:55 PM (97XyN)

553 Putting Paul Bremer, diplomat, in charge of the Iraq war.
Nice one George.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 27, 2017 05:57 PM (P/kVC)

554 >>> The problem with that is it was eminently foreseeable the US public wouldn't support a +10yr occupation.
......

Yup. Couple problems:
1. Bush himself said that he and his military advisors underestimated the rebuilding commitment and how generally fucked up things were with the tribes and groups there. Honest mistake, but a giant failure. He tried, and largely succeeded, with the surge but by then...
2. ...it had turned into a political issue rather than a war. Bush has a shit choice: Ignore the politics entirely, get booted from office, and let Kerry complete fuck shit up, or play politics and try to do what he could within the bullshit constraints invented by all the people who were "for it before they were against it".
3. Bush, from Day 1, didn't want it to seem like an occupation to the Iraqis. This was naive, IMO. You drove it tanks, ran Saddam into a rat hole, then started building a government of had picked people to form a democracy- a form of government never before seen and incomprehensible to the people there. Freedom itself is really incomprehensible to anyone there. I respect his intentions with this but it was friggin dumb. It IS an occupation. Stop pussy footing around that. It is a occupation because it needed to be and will remain so for as long as it takes to make sure the threat that caused us to go in the first place no longer exists.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 05:58 PM (71OEY)

555 Nood.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:58 PM (jK8Z7)

556 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 27, 2017 05:50 PM (jK8Z7)

Nice read, thanks. I was not familiar with that.

Posted by: Damiano at February 27, 2017 06:00 PM (71OEY)

557 I lost a lot of respect for W after he refused to pardon Scooter Libby.

Now, I wonder what I ever saw in him. What a disaster.

Posted by: Toad-O at February 27, 2017 06:02 PM (cct0t)

558 A lot of "conservatives" -- Crocservatives, let's call them

-Ace

HAHAHAHAHAHA It must be so noisy in your fucking head, but that's really the only interesting part of the blog these days. The nervous squirming keeps you coming back for more.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 27, 2017 06:10 PM (qjg65)

559 Whether or not the GWOT and /or the war in Iraq was justified or even smart is immaterial. GWB failed miserably in defending the effort and his own troops from the predictable consequences of allowing our domestic enemies (Dems and MSM BIRM) a free and unchallenged voice.

It emboldened the jihadis to hold out long enough to get us to quit. It also put thousands of our military in the ground and injured others permanently.

Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2017 06:11 PM (oOw3I)

560 A lot of "conservatives" -- Crocservatives, let's call them

-Ace

When you put up your first link to Heartiste are you going to call him Heartist because nobody will know the difference if you just change the spelling a bit.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 27, 2017 06:17 PM (qjg65)

561 Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 27, 2017 05:42 PM (AKOhm)

Well, according to Plastic Pelosi, "there are plenty of grounds right now for the current President" to be impeached. National Press Forum. The coven.

Posted by: gracepc at February 27, 2017 06:25 PM (OU4q6)

562 Last post - GONE

Posted by: Me at February 27, 2017 06:37 PM (RYASC)

563 Uh-oh.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at February 27, 2017 06:37 PM (FqgrG)

564 Well that sucks. I dropped some pearls on the disappeared thread.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 27, 2017 06:37 PM (LTHVh)

565 Dammit, why do all the assholes keep breaking Ace's blog? Honor the man's requests. And be decent FFS.

Posted by: Me at February 27, 2017 06:37 PM (RYASC)

566 PEARLS

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 27, 2017 06:37 PM (LTHVh)

567 Ha? Alexa what happened?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2017 06:38 PM (KlI/a)

568 Last post - GONE
Posted by: Me

Yeah. No bueno.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2017 06:38 PM (ph+ut)

569 564 Well that sucks. I dropped some pearls on the disappeared thread.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 27, 2017 06:37 PM (LTHVh)

*raising hand* Witness.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 27, 2017 06:38 PM (sK2fh)

570 Siri killed Ace.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 27, 2017 06:38 PM (LTHVh)

571 Siri, bring back Ace's last post.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2017 06:41 PM (1CroS)

572 Bush was the worst. Invaded the wrong country and many of our young soldiers killed or injured. Go away George and STFU. Probably voted for Hillary.

Posted by: Basket O' Deplorables at February 27, 2017 06:50 PM (3S5It)

573 test

Posted by: Emmie at February 27, 2017 06:50 PM (xVuS6)

574 Does nobody remember Tim Robbins talking about the chilling of free speech that was taking place under Bush? 16 years ago?
Does anyone remember that exactly the same thing was said about Bush at the time?

It was the end of times, free speech was dead, and democrats discovered the second amendment?

In this day and age, when we have instant recall through the internet, their BS should be rubbed right in their facts.

Posted by: Ring at February 27, 2017 06:54 PM (HPHHZ)

575 I used to like and respect W. No more. To sit silent during Obamanation and now come out and give the pressholes fodder against Trump is disgusting. He is a globalist stooge. Prolly has some pizzagate buds too. ~spit~

Posted by: oddnot enjoying #winning still with schadenboner to prove it at February 27, 2017 06:56 PM (g1MTt)

576 George W. Bush calls Bill Clinton 'brother from another mother':
http://tinyurl.com/zhuoqem

See pict at link.
Have a nice puke.

Posted by: Wontsubmit at February 27, 2017 06:58 PM (zj+JZ)

577 There is no doubt it is best to have a fair and independent press, just as there is no doubt it is best to have a sober and kind mother.

Left does this all the time.

If you point out propaganda, you oppose freedom of the press.

If you oppose abortion, you don't care about babies.

If you complain about skyrocketing ObamaCare premiums, you hate poor people.

If you think maybe another already-redundant government program is not the best idea, you hate children.

If you don't want to buy someone else's birth control, you are restricting their access to healthcare.

This is why we must reflexively reject every premise of the Left.

Posted by: Emmie at February 27, 2017 06:58 PM (xVuS6)

578 It is love:
http://tinyurl.com/juv7lwb

See picture are link.
Have a nice puke.
What has been seen cannot be unseen.

Posted by: Wontsubmit at February 27, 2017 07:00 PM (zj+JZ)

579 RatherGate.

Posted by: Bushy at February 27, 2017 07:04 PM (0Su3S)

580 486:

"Said it then ... will say it now. If it was worth all that we poured into it - it was worth a Declaration of War."

Don't worry, the courts will micromanage war from now on given what just happened out in the 9th Circuit. If a Republican is president he will be expected to follow the Constitution, and the GOP bootlickers who applauded the judicial interference with the president's lawful EO will get the sadz.

Meanwhile W remains a despicable bastard.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 27, 2017 07:06 PM (kpgmX)

581 The media won't reform, they see not need because they think they are perfect.
Why change. Bush was way too quiet about Obama and squandered any moral authority that he had left.
Of course he is nice to NBC/Comcast as they hired his daughter after they led an 8 years charge to diminish his success and destroy his reputation. W biggest strategic blunder was not to fight the media and push back on their propaganda.
It was a colossal error and helped create the conditions for the rise of Trump.

Posted by: standfast24 at February 27, 2017 07:31 PM (PNFIr)

582 1. GWB would never defend himself- so why should we?

2. The NYT now proudly features his Trump criticisms. Really? Before this they portrayed him as a dimwit who couldn't put two sentences together. Now what comes out of his mouth is pure genius... why, it's profound! Typical GOPe. Apologize. Prostrate yourself. Grovel. Beg for acceptance. A one-sided attempt at harmony.

3. Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Hussein O = 28 years of the worst leadership in our country's history.

Posted by: tjk at February 27, 2017 08:57 PM (ioZsA)

583 Bush is preaching the Obama Fantasy Islam(tm) line. I prefer King Abdullah's take: "This is Islam's civil war." That's honest, not "What civil war?"

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 27, 2017 09:21 PM (Ndje9)

584 GWB misses himself, and that power thingy.

Posted by: maverick muse at February 27, 2017 10:35 PM (hCdMd)

585 btw, if "killers aren't religious people", why do the #GetTrumpMedia call al-Awlaki and the Blind Sheikh "clerics" instead of terrorists?

And who holds the "Accountability-Holders" accountable?

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 27, 2017 10:48 PM (Ndje9)

586 17 9 for years i've defended GWB...

after today?

fuck that useless RINO POS, with a flaming porcupine, and shove it in with a tanker's bar.

he's dead to me.
Posted by: redc1c4, at February 27, 2017 04:03 PM (joq+X)

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I look forward to the reaction the Horde has towards Trump when he says something "unhelpful" after his presidency is over

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Piping hot. Isn't that the same coffee cup Bill Kristol has been jacking off into since July?

Posted by: VideoSavant at February 27, 2017 11:22 PM (pjvL0)

587 3 reason bush doesn't like trump:

bush is a sore loser, trump beat jeb,

Bush never defended himself and is misunderestimated by history. Trump is like Ronald Reagan, he defends his principles proudly and loudly and gets his message out clearly. Trump is taking Bush to school and Bush doesn't like it.

Trump is an outsider independent of corporate donations working to keep his promises to working class voters, this is a threat to the establishment elite.

Posted by: epg8y3g at February 28, 2017 04:42 AM (A0FR1)

588 Physiognomy is real and Breitbart's greying hair and eyelid assymetry were signs I believe of poor circulation. There is a phenomenon of medical fragility that is difficult to diagnose except with an echocardiogram to image poor blood flow.

And then also abrupt increase in exercise level can actually trigger cardiac events. So I think the most likely explanation is that my hero died prematurely because he was physically unhealthy.

Posted by: SciVo at February 28, 2017 05:09 AM (PlJlM)

589 W is porking Michelle Obama. You can see that in that picture of the two. Obama was just a continuation of Bush 2, Clinton, and Bush 1. Why would Bush 2 criticize? NWO whores.

Posted by: Pig at February 28, 2017 07:25 AM (K2SnJ)

590 I'm sure Putin, watching a hostile press reduce GWB to impotence and erase his accomplishments, must have been eager to take his advice and loosen things up in Russia.

Posted by: William A Befort at February 28, 2017 11:40 AM (awbcm)

591 W missed a fine opportunity to STFU.

Jimmah reprised.

Posted by: DNF at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (l1a29)

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