Milo Officially "Uninvited" as Speaker at CPAC

CPAC is now in the strange position of having invited someone precisely because he was not permitted to speak on college campuses due to his controversial statements, and yet now having banned him from speaking there due to his controversial statements.

As you probably know, Establishment conservatives hoping to tank him began circulating a tape of an appearance on the Joe Rogan show early last year, in which he talked about having given oral sex to an older priest when he was 14, and making jokes (as he does) about that having improved his skills in that area. Then an appearance on another show was dug up, where he talked about younger "boys" (he says he meant "young men") have sex with older men a fair amount in gay circles.

It should be noted that as far as his "pro-pedophilia" remarks, he was actually the young person being preyed upon (though he denies he was preyed upon, calling himself, perhaps just sardonically, the "sexual predator" in the encounter), and not the person (the older man) who is actually charged with the moral and legal duty to not have sex with a 14 year old.

Nonetheless, some say that he's spouting "NAMBLA talking points" and people whose opinions I respect, like Niedermeyer's Dead Horse, takes a look at this in a fairly objective way and seems to try to give Milo every break she can, but seems to find there's just too many strikes here, and the batter is fairly called out.

I think that's a reasonable take -- though, in saying so, I don't think it's complete.

I would say an important additional dimension here is that if they can do it to him, they can do it to you too.

And they seem to be really doing it:

Simon & Schuster is reportedly canceling Milo's book deal https://t.co/yiEzGLKdIg pic.twitter.com/UTO4tCspF5
— Nick Monroe (@nickmon1112) February 20, 2017

I saw an unconfirmed claim -- and I stress, unconfirmed -- that even Breitbart is considering severing times.

I doubt that, but who knows. The way this works is that the Outrage Mob gins up its hatred quickly, giving no one a chance to actually think slowly and carefully about these things -- and they should be thought slowly and carefully about, because what's being engineered here is possibly an irrevocable negative hit on someone -- and then people feel pressure to react instantly precisely the way the mob wants because God Forbid we stand up to the mob and say, "Stop your baying, and give adult men and women of rational mind and good spirit a chance to actually think," then maybe they'll turn on us next.

Proud anger travels twice around the world before cool reflection has even slipped on its first sock.

FWIW, Milo offers a written statement in defense of himself here, and, it seems, a more chastened, more frightened video response here, perhaps as he realized how serious the mob was about collecting this week's scalp from his head.

I'm not a fan of Milo's and have rarely cited him. I won't get into the "why" of that here, for similar reasons that I didn't get into why I wasn't a fan of Pam Gellar's after the shooting at her Draw Mohammad event, when the Social Justice Warriors of the left and the right saw fit to mob up on her hours after she'd been shot upon by a jihadi.

Yeah I've got a few problems with him -- but let's leave that for another day. I haven't seen it necessary to have one opinion or another about Milo so far, so I don't know if I have to suddenly burst forth with a lot of Strongly Held Opinions I Just Formed Six Minutes Ago today.

Another day when, you know, he's not in the eye of the Social Media Scalp-Hunting Hurricane.

I just think that when the whole world sets its sights on one lonely target, it's not really terribly useful or moral of me to join in the collective attack.

I don't think the world will end if a couple of voices here or there caution, "Maybe we shouldn't rush to extirpate him from the face of the earth with just these three seconds of contemplation."

I have no bias in favor of Milo, and that indeed my bias tends to run the other way. (To the extent I have any bias -- I'm not really a follower or fan. I can't render much of an opinion on Milo because, in all honesty, I am not familiar with his writing, except through the occasional quotation provided by his enemies.)

But I do think Milo has done some good work in exposing the increasing intolerance and hateful mob mentality of our twitterfied, outrage-addicted society.

Whether that outweighs the sins he is said to have committed, I don't know.

I suspect most people don't. I suspect his fans know a fair amount about him, and his detractors and scalp-hunters know a bit less, and I think pretty much everyone else is like "Is Milo that lemonheaded gay guy who's on YouTube a lot?"

But I just have the same sick feeling:

And here we go again.

For what it's worth, several people whose opinions I respect include those at, get this, this very blog, are taking Milo to task for his statements, and I can't disagree with them in any kind of authoritative way.

I could dispute them, that is, I could put up a "Well what about this?" sort of semi-defense, but I wouldn't have terribly much emotional or intellectual chips invested in the defense itself. It would not be a "I'm definitely right, you're definitely wrong" kind of thing.

And to be honest, I have myself mixed opinions about the precious few of Milo's statements I've heard. There's some stuff I've seen (out of context) about the Jews I had quite a negative reaction to, but then, I don't know the context.

All that said, I do have an interest, and that interest is less about Milo than this same sick game of Pick the Day's Hate Object and Destroy It.

Is it my scalp they'll be coming for next week?

Who knows -- maybe this very post you're reading right now will be cited as the reason Ace Must Now Be Purged to Maintain the Purity of the Body of the Church of Twitter.

As I think The Joker said, there's an element of fairness in pure random cruelty. If it's kind of random thing, the way we all take our place at the Wheel of Punishment and hope our name doesn't come up, maybe it is fair.

So long as we all understand and agree in advance that our names are up there too.

One can dispute his claims and criticize the callowness and the occasional meanness and casual offensiveness of his statements without taking the next step of deciding that we're going to mob up together to destroy his life just because we're kinda bored and not doin' much else on a slow news day.

Or can we?

I don't know that we can any longer.

This is where we are; this is what we are. Perhaps this is what we've always been -- perhaps we just needed a technological innovation of social media to enable us to focus and purify our hatred into a polarized speck of white-hot dissolving heat.

Maybe we just needed this one stupid little tool so that we could take this week's pleasure in inflicting cruelty on strangers, like a sadistic kid just needs a magnifying glass to focus the sun's rays on a random ant.

#HasJustineLandedYet?

Note: As I said above, I am calling for time to consider this. I'm not a Milologist and I don't know the context of all his statements or the full Oppo Dump on the statements claimed to be racist, anti-semitic, or now, pro-pedophilia.

Maybe the people calling for his scalp know these things with much higher accuracy than I do, and do have enough of a case against him to make this call.

Maybe -- but all I've seen are these disjointed twitter links and thin, took-me-five-minutes-to-write-this news briefs which are themselves just compilations of the disjointed twitter links.

I do not see the sort of written out, thought out indictment in essay form, with all counter-arguments considered and answered and all evidence amassed, that would make me feel comfortable about saying "Let's smear this queer."

If someone writes that, and it makes the case, sure, I'll say the case is made and the punishment should be executed. (Maybe -- gotta tell you, I'm a Consistent Advocate of Free Expression and I'm not tribal on the point as many are. By which I mean: I'm not a fan of the rightwing Social Justice Mafia's scalp-hunting any more than I am the leftwing. In fact, I think I like the former less, as I find the former disappointing and illusions-shattering.)

But I haven't seen it yet. If someone wants to write it, I'd personally like to read it. I don't really read the guy and don't know much about him except he's controversial and has offered spurious (to my mind) defenses of the alt-right.

But even though I found those defenses spurious and calculatedly naive, I can't say I'm outraged by someone attempting to make the case that we should be more free to speak, not less.

My strongly-held opinion on that point is that we are too limited in what we are free to say without be scalped, boycotted, or fired, not too damn "free" and in need of further abridgments to make sure other people's Spaces are Safe.

Even if the defense of freedom of expression in question is frequently disingenuous, I still gotta say... I'm not terribly bothered by a disingenuous effort to push back against the Speech Police.

Other than that one article -- which I didn't finish; had enough of it after a few paragraphs -- I really do not know what all the fuss is about this guy, on either the pro- or con- side.

I'm ignorant. I guess that makes me a good candidate for a jury.

So what is the case? I need to actually hear the case before rendering any kind of verdict.

If I head must roll, fine, but let's kind of have all the facts out in the open and debated first, huh? I don't want to see yet another scalping based on little more than "We don't like this guy on Twitter so now he gets his."

Explain it to me like I'm a child, who knows nothing, and not someone who is on Twitter and the listservs all day who knows all the crimes this turbulent internet celebrity is guilty of.

Posted by: Ace at 05:53 PM

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1 No purple headlines at Breitbart now...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 20, 2017 05:48 PM (kP16F)

2 Milo's getting the "full John Derbyshire".

Posted by: OCBill at February 20, 2017 05:49 PM (df+Zi)

3
If - BIG if - Milo is proven to be a pedophile, or has pro pedophile opinions, and when I say proven, I mean from absolutely unassailable multiple source, then it's the right thing to do. And a really horrible thing both for him personally and politically for us considering he is a force to be reckoned with.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2017 05:49 PM (mbhDw)

4 Burn the witch!

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 20, 2017 05:50 PM (MINbv)

5 What is this "CPAC" and should I give a shiite what they say?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2017 05:50 PM (P/kVC)

6 The right has invested too much in this guy.. why do they do that?
Because they are desperate for a voice..

"Hey! We've got a right-wing queer! weoooohoo!"

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 20, 2017 05:50 PM (UpGcq)

7 #2

That sums it up perfectly.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 20, 2017 05:51 PM (g25eo)

8 6 The right has invested too much in this guy.. why do they do that?
Because they are desperate for a voice..

"Hey! We've got a right-wing queer! weoooohoo!"
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 20, 2017 05:50 PM (UpGcq)

It's because Milo was a living symbol of the malignant hypocrisy that is the Left. He was strident and articulate as well as unafraid.

So, it's a horrible shame IF, IF, IF it is proven.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2017 05:52 PM (mbhDw)

9 The way this works is that the Outrage Mob gins up its hatred quickly, giving no one a chance to actually think slowly and carefully about these things -- and they should be thought slowly and carefully about, because what's being engineered here is possibly an irrevocable negative hit on someone -- and then people feel pressure to react however the mob wants because God Forbid we stand up to the mob and say, "Stop your baying, and give adult men and women of rational mind and good spirit a chance to actually think."

That's the main point right there. I kept cautioning people on twitter to rein it in on him but they were blistering on.

They are about the fast hit job and then later retractions like Emily Litella, but never as immediate or public.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 05:52 PM (39g3+)

10 Huge fan of Milo's but recently it seems he's going a bit too far over the edge to wield his gay credentials to the point it's cringe-inducing. And I believe most of it is simply gayperbole but still - needs to back it off a notch or two.

Posted by: MSTisdale at February 20, 2017 05:52 PM (g9d8D)

11 So is he being hung out to dry for recruiting for the gay community?

Or acknowledging the fact that boys get recruited, not born, into it?

Posted by: Methos at February 20, 2017 05:53 PM (3Liv/)

12 When you build your reputation on controversy you have to expect it. But I fear he is only the first of more.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 20, 2017 05:53 PM (mpXpK)

13 One takeaway is that anyone advocating against the ctrl-left must at all times and in all ways be totally, completely, utterly above criticism.

Or the hammer will come down.

The kicker is that the standard for behavior for opponents of the ctrl-left is inhumanly rigorous (not to mention continually changing).

Only Trump has (so far) been able to successfully oppose them for any period of time.

And they're gunning (metaphorically) for him as hard as they can, as we all well know.

Posted by: filbert at February 20, 2017 05:53 PM (s5o+q)

14 If - BIG if - Milo is proven to be a pedophile, or has pro pedophile
opinions, and when I say proven, I mean from absolutely unassailable
multiple source, then it's the right thing to do. And a really horrible
thing both for him personally and politically for us considering he is a
force to be reckoned with.

Why? Make him defend his position in public. Isn't that what we always say here?

FTR, I think he let his mouth and his ego run wild because of all his recent success. It was a huge mistake, and if he's proven to have actually molested someone, we should shun him / lock him up. That's not yet the case, and regardless, I want to hear him defend himself.

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2017 05:53 PM (LAe3v)

15 I don't care. The left doesn't throw their own whackos under the bus. We're playing by their rules now. We should be circling the wagons around Milo and also making sure that he has a very nice job to go to if he needs to retire from the public eye.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 20, 2017 05:53 PM (Ztfnl)

16 Milo's getting the "full John Derbyshire".

Exactly.

Posted by: Veeshir at February 20, 2017 05:54 PM (UtXWA)

17 Then an appearance on another show was dug up, where he talked about younger "boys" (he says he meant "young men") have sex with older men a fair amount in gay circles.

Anyone who has any gay friends has known about this sort of thing for a very long time. This isn't any big secret. But, in the public discourse of homosexuality - specifically male, because no one really gives a shit about female homosexuality - it never sees the light of day the same way that the fact that male homosexuality revolves around anal sex is never broached (and why the topic of anal sex was even totally off limits for any part of an AIDs discussion for the first, say 10 or 15 years of the disease).

But ... all this sort of stuff has to be ignored so that people can lie and pretend that homosexuality is exactly like heterosexuality, except that it's spelled differently. LOL.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 20, 2017 05:54 PM (zc3Db)

18 One of Will "Grampa Walton" Geer's buggery partners was Harry ("NAMBLA Marches With Me") Hay, and Geer was something of a role model, so there's that... Hay, not so much!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 20, 2017 05:55 PM (kP16F)

19 @3
I reread your post, and I think we're actually in agreement. I would have let him speak at CPAC.

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2017 05:55 PM (LAe3v)

20 Ace, Milo's best stuff is not what he writes, but his speeches on his Youtube channel (how long 'til he gets run from there?). Every speech is different as well, not the same canned stuff that a Hillary! would get (but not so much anymore) a quarter mil for.

Also entertaining when libtard hecklers inevitably rear their fugly heads.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 05:55 PM (GsAUU)

21 Vitaly Churkin, who served as Russia's permanent representative to the United Nations since 2006, "died suddenly" in New York, the Russian Foreign Ministry announced. Churkin was at the Russian embassy when he became sick with a "cardiac condition" around 9:30 am, and was taken to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, where he died.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at February 20, 2017 05:55 PM (e8kgV)

22 Vox just posted a "Milo Yiannopoulos resurrected a dangerous old myth about gay men and pedophilia" article.

Breitbart seems to be doing a soft scrub of their most recent articles about him which suggests he's likely done there too.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2017 05:55 PM (zLVX9)

23 I'm not surprised at all that they're going after Milo. The left will gladly set money on fire if it advances their objectives, and New York publishing houses most of all. I'm not surprised at all that CPAC would happily disinvite people. C'mon, Erickson previously disinvited the future President from the Red State gathering.

I am astonished that so many otherwise reliable conservatives remain naive to the game.

Posted by: trev006 at February 20, 2017 05:55 PM (L5ro5)

24 Far too many gays normalize child/adult relations, largely because so many (I dare say perhaps a majority) first-time gay sexual encounters are of this nature. So I don't have a problem with push-back against that.

Here's the thing: by any reasonable definition, Milo is of the Left. It is only because he refuses one or two tenants of their orthodoxy is he labeled a dangerous heretic by them.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 05:55 PM (S2VsH)

25 It's because Milo was a living symbol of the malignant hypocrisy that is the Left. He was strident and articulate as well as unafraid.

So, it's a horrible shame IF, IF, IF it is proven.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2017 05:52 PM (mb
............
Well.. I just don't see that, J.J.
He's all over the place on his views.. I couldn't even watch more than a few minutes of his Maher interview.
The left needs no symbol of its hypocrisy.. all you need is a working brain to see it. If you need someone like Milo to point it out to you, you are as bad as the lefties..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 20, 2017 05:56 PM (UpGcq)

26 3 If - BIG if - Milo is proven to be a pedophile, or has pro pedophile
opinions, and when I say proven, I mean from absolutely unassailable
multiple source, then it's the right thing to do. And a really horrible
thing both for him personally and politically for us considering he is a
force to be reckoned with.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2017 05:49 PM (mbhDw)

Milo was the victim of a pedo in his youth. He has turned in 3 pedos that he knew of to the authorities.

If he's guilty of anything, it's of speaking to flippant about a serious subject. He himself said that.

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2017 05:56 PM (Enq6K)

27 Hate wins again.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 20, 2017 05:56 PM (U6f54)

28
If I was pure leftist I'd have to now defend Milo because he was once abused. Children below the age of consent can not give consent -- even if Milo thinks otherwise.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 20, 2017 05:56 PM (ZFUt7)

29 What is this "CPAC"......Posted by: Burnt Toast

_________

I just saw a commercial the other day - apparently it's a device for sleep apnea and if you have medicaid they will take care of all the paperwork directly.

Posted by: MSTisdale at February 20, 2017 05:56 PM (g9d8D)

30 "Maybe we just needed this one stupid little tool so that we could take this week's pleasure in inflicting cruelty on strangers, like a sadistic kid just needs a magnifying glass to focus the sun's rays on a random ant."

Yes. This is why I use a fake name on Facebook, and have never been on Twitter. Those of us of average disposition have less to gain from the attention of strangers than we have to lose. I am not willing for one stray comment or association to lead to what it could lead to.

Posted by: Me at February 20, 2017 05:56 PM (RYASC)

31 >>>nd if he's proven to have actually molested someone

you have the story wrong. When he was 14 -- when HE was 14 -- a priest induced him to give him a blowjob.

Milo's crime here is that he said it was a "positive" experience for him, and didn't damage him, which is taken to be an endorsement of men having sex with teenagers.

Milo was the "victim" in this encounter, not the perp, even though he himself (until recently) said he wasn't any victim.

But that's his right, it seems to me. If the victim of a sex crime says "I came through it okay" or "It made me stronger," I don't see how I have the right to insist that person give me a story about the emotional wreckage the encounter caused, simply because that makes for a more compelling Narrative about the dangers of sex crimes.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 05:57 PM (8rNrN)

32 Milo is part Jewish, and is an ardent Zionists (which is rare in the UK, trust me on this) so whatever Milo's said against "the Jews" is probably either unserious or else a critic of their liberal faction. The last of which many Jews will do in these comments every day.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 05:57 PM (6FqZa)

33 I don't really give a crap about CPAC or whether he's there or not, its never been a major force and the last few years clearly has virtually nothing to do with actual conservatism. I think its mostly just a place for people to go and party at like a trade convention.

But the publisher thing hurts, that's another story entirely. It's not surprising that Simon & Schuster dumped him, they were probably desperate to after the riots. That just hurts, and its going to be rough going for a bit for the guy. He gets hate all day long and twice on Sundays, so while he seems to thrive on it like Breitbart did, there are limits.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 05:57 PM (39g3+)

34 Seems to me a good time to double down.
After all is said and the smoke clears, he remains yet another arrow in the quiver. A good thing when the target is progressive double standards.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 20, 2017 05:58 PM (0tfLf)

35 Yes, let's put the CPAC and RedState crowd back in charge of the conservative movement, they were doing such a bang up job and we got tired of all the winning.

Posted by: Maritime at February 20, 2017 05:58 PM (m8FSu)

36 Milo exposed "the elephant in room" in regards to homosexuality and they're going to make him pay...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 20, 2017 05:58 PM (kP16F)

37 And this is how the left wins. They would never in a million years throw one of theirs under the bus. But we as Conservatives can't seem to miss the chance to plant the knife firmly into the back of one of our "fighters" who go after the left the way Milo can and does. There is no one on our side of this fight who does as good of a job as he does and if we lose him we lose an effective voice against the left. On top of that who do you think will be willing to stick their neck out if they know we will not have their back when they need it.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at February 20, 2017 05:59 PM (9qei7)

38 "Vox just posted a 'Milo Yiannopoulos resurrected a dangerous old myth about gay men and pedophilia' article.
"

Some truths really are dangerous, apparently.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 05:59 PM (S2VsH)

39 I thought Ace was taking one of his vac-cay days today.
Did I read that wrong?

Posted by: washrivergal at February 20, 2017 06:00 PM (Ivjge)

40 If this does get people talking about the rampant pedophilia and recruiting in certain sectors of homosexuality, then that's a good thing. It is truly horrific. Portland's mayor was one of those guys, recruiting underaged boys before he got into politics. It appears that one of the "antifa" leaders in Portland is one as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:00 PM (39g3+)

41 I think this looks like more scalp-taking, really, I do. If it requires combinations of statements from different times and places, and the most uncharitable interpretation of these statements, to form a conclusion, chances are it's been ginned up.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 20, 2017 06:00 PM (KIF49)

42 Wait. So the party that is pushing for grown men to shower with little girls finds **THIS** offensive?

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 20, 2017 06:01 PM (WHC8a)

43 I said it on Twitter but I'll say it here :
I see Milo primarily as a comedian. Which is fine, but he pushed the line and it pushed back this time.

His defense of gallows humor fails, in part because part of that is they the humor happens in the gallows, among other people in there with you. When you try to take it out, except in a few rare circumstances (where the darkness is general enough to be broadly understood) it fails with great backlash.
Part of what I constantly have to do in defending animal research is defend the gallows humor that is exposed to the public (through shitty Peta shit. ) it'd be harder to defend it if it weren't illicitly revealed.

That being said, cpac's motives here dealt with ticket sales, let's not kid ourself. And when that started to go south, they made another choice based on that.

Posted by: Tsrblke at February 20, 2017 06:01 PM (Uf3Wj)

44 @ace: "Perhaps this is what we've always been -- perhaps we just needed a technological innovation of social media to enable us to focus and purify our hatred into a polarized speck of white-hot dissolving heat."

Lord of the Flies repeating itself in successively quicker loops.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2017 06:01 PM (zLVX9)

45 >>>Far too many gays normalize child/adult relations, largely because so many (I dare say perhaps a majority) first-time gay sexual encounters are of this nature. So I don't have a problem with push-back against that.

i don't read much gay stuff at all, but I've seen enough confessionals in which gay men say this is how they "came of age," as it were.

I don't know much about this subculture but this isn't a terribly uncommon story.

as far as push-back, sure, push-back -- it is in fact pedophilia (or pederasty).

But remember, Milo is actually the underage person preyed upon in this story. His crime is just saying "It didn't bother me much" and making a flippant joke that it improved his blowjob skills.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:01 PM (8rNrN)

46
So, it's a horrible shame IF, IF, IF it is proven.

I don't think there's anything to 'prove' with what we have here, J.J.

All there is to do is to take a side based on the facts known. Basically, the mob is demanding everyone take a side.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 20, 2017 06:01 PM (oVJmc)

47 On top of that who do you think will be willing to stick their neck out
if they know we will not have their back when they need it.
---
Maybe that's not tangential.

Maybe it's the central point.

Posted by: Methos at February 20, 2017 06:02 PM (3Liv/)

48 I am astonished that so many otherwise reliable conservatives remain naive to the game.
Posted by: trev006 at February 20, 2017 05:55 PM (L5ro5)

As I said earlier on this subject...

We expect this pile on from the Left...

But the Right continues to do it to themselves as well....

Today? Its Milo...

During the Election, it WAS Trump... even on this site.

Its Bannon...

Its Flynn...

Its whoever the guy was who tore that female reporters arm off...

Before that??? it was Sarah Palin....

Go back further... Ross Perot...

The RIGHT is constantly destroying its own allies...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:02 PM (qf6WZ)

49
Maybe we just needed this one stupid little tool so that we could take this week's pleasure in inflicting cruelty on strangers, like a sadistic kid just needs a magnifying glass to focus the sun's rays on a random ant.
-Ace

Let's turn it over to Landru and FESTIVAL! one week a year.

Maybe I'll get some nookie.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 20, 2017 06:02 PM (FtrY1)

50 >>>39 I thought Ace was taking one of his vac-cay days today.
Did I read that wrong?

i didn't want to post on this today and would have preferred to hold it over but whatever. I guess something needs to be said.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:02 PM (8rNrN)

51 Homosexuality, as it bears no connection to procreation, has developed no natural limits of its own.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 20, 2017 06:02 PM (zc3Db)

52 If Milo had sex when aged 14 with a priest, I assume the priest was 'older'. It would be absolutely amazing if with a younger priest. Perhaps he can sue the Catholic diocese.
----------------------
Quoting:
"Then an appearance on another show was dug up, where he talked about younger "boys" (he says he meant "young men") have sex with older men a fair amount in gay circles."
==>
I want to know why Milo calls Trump "Daddy".

Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:03 PM (OmhcY)

53 Wait. So the party that is pushing for grown men to shower with little girls finds **THIS** offensive?
Posted by: #neverskankles at February 20, 2017 06:01 PM (WHC8a)

Threadwinner candidate.

Posted by: filbert at February 20, 2017 06:03 PM (s5o+q)

54 Wait. So the party that is pushing for grown men to shower with little girls finds **THIS** offensive?

Well its not that they find it offensive -- they don't. They know we find it offensive. Remember Senator Craig's wide stance? The left doesn't give a crap if he's in a rest area trying to get his fudge packed. They probably were in line to do it. But they know we care.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:03 PM (39g3+)

55 And this is how the left wins. Posted by: southdakotaboy

_ _ _ _ _

We're still in the painful process of yanking the diseased organs. The Trump Effect needs more than 1.5 months to spread.

Posted by: MSTisdale at February 20, 2017 06:03 PM (g9d8D)

56 And this is how the left wins. They would never in a million years throw one of theirs under the bus. But we as Conservatives can't seem to miss the chance to plant the knife firmly into the back of one of our "fighters"

________

Our side is always settling old scores no matter how self-defeating. Many elements would be fine perpetually losing as long as they were the person that gets to run the losing tribe.

Not a Milo fan, never really was, but the guy is not pro-pedophilia.

Posted by: Maritime at February 20, 2017 06:04 PM (m8FSu)

57 I thought we were ignoring the MSM narrative and fighting back these days? Are we back to abandoning our own and rolling over again? Someone needs to put me on the memo list.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 20, 2017 06:04 PM (Ztfnl)

58 CPAC once again rolls over for their doggie treats from the GOPe

Once again, our side is expected to lead the lynch mobs of denunciation demanded from the Outraged Left who give standing ovations to Hollywood pedophiles

I refuse to give a shit about Milo's morals, I'm not playing the Outrage Game any more

Posted by: kbdabear at February 20, 2017 06:04 PM (Ya7zs)

59 But remember, Milo is actually the underage person preyed upon in this story. His crime is just saying "It didn't bother me much" and making a flippant joke that it improved his blowjob skills.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:01 PM

That's it? That's what all the fuss is about?

Posted by: otho at February 20, 2017 06:04 PM (lmIoG)

60 Man with 13 year old boy: 'discovery'

Man with 13 year old girl: 'rape'

This is a double-standard in their guidebook that the Left will never be forced to address.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 20, 2017 06:04 PM (oVJmc)

61 I've enjoyed watching Milo taking on the campuses. The schadenfreude has been great in that sense of "someone's finally pushing back." To silence him is to prove that only liberals/the elites approved by the elites (aka MSM and the colleges)/ are allowed to speak.

Way back when I was in college, I went to a talk by Horowitz. He was literally shouted down and left before the audience got to hear anything from him. It was a packed room and two people ruined the whole thing by making it impossible for Horowitz to speak. He slunk off in defeat. Watching Milo talk gives a sense of satisfaction that maybe, just maybe "conservative" speakers can't be run off like wounded animals.

I'm disheartened to think that the usual tactics are succeeding again, when this election had my hopes up. Shame on me for actually having hope.

Posted by: soulpile at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (73HcQ)

62 And in a related development, Lena Dunham has called for a media blackout of coverage on Mr. Yiannopoulos in order for society to send a message about the horrors of child sexual abuse.

Posted by: CNN at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (j+dfT)

63 32 Milo is part Jewish, and is an ardent Zionists (which is rare in the UK, trust me on this) so whatever Milo's said against "the Jews" is probably either unserious or else a critic of their liberal faction. The last of which many Jews will do in these comments every day.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 05:57 PM (6FqZa)

--And then there's Bill Kristol, whose ideology I no longer care about but is an America-hating asshat.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (GsAUU)

64 Far too many gays normalize child/adult relations, largely because so many ****(I dare say perhaps a majority)**** first-time gay sexual encounters are of this nature.
--------------------------
Seriously?

Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (OmhcY)

65 the fact that male homosexuality revolves around anal sex

I used to interact (online) with Throbert McGee (ex-LGFer) and the guy at Classical Values. They would say that there's a lot of this in gay porn, but that the poop chute is not their thing and not as big a thing as it's made out to be.

The anal sex focus is more the drug subculture, and people who are just plain mentally ill like Andrew Sullivan.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (6FqZa)

66 >>Well.. I just don't see that, J.J.
He's all over the place on his views.. I couldn't even watch more than a few minutes of his Maher interview.

Milo only has one real message that I care about, free speech. The left and many on the right it seems, are absolutely determined to shut him up because he says things that go against many narratives and he does it fearlessly.

His been flying awfully close to the sun lately and made him self a target waiting for a slip. I hope this turns out to be nothing because he's a valuable force on college campuses and beyond.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (/tuJf)

67 The problem with personality cults is humanity is flawed and sinful. If these pedophilia accusations are true, he should be jailed. If they are false, somebody needs sued out of existence.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (rLlua)

68 I don't find Milo's statements very shocking. It's like the whole country is shocked, shocked to discover people under 18 are having sex.

Anyway, this is why I put more stock in ideologies than people. People are imperfect, and sometimes they disappoint you.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (Xuv2G)

69 The Left's outrage is to make YOU conform, not them.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (oVJmc)

70 I know very little about Milo except for references to him on the internet. I did see him on Tucker Carlson (?) I think a few weeks ago. I thought him to be incredibly articulate and made a very good case for the point he was presenting.

But my first exposure to Milo was when he appeared with and accompanied Dr. Franklin Graham on Dr. Graham's prayer march across the nation. I saw Milo in a prayer circle with a small group of Southern Baptist ladies, clasping his hands and saying "We're praying for you Milo". I think afterwards he remarked on how they genuinely seemed to love him. I hope he remembers them now.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 20, 2017 06:06 PM (dFi94)

71 Remember those good old days when people were presumed innocent until proven guilty?

Posted by: itsacookbook at February 20, 2017 06:06 PM (yPxXc)

72 OCbill @ 2- Derbyshire treatment.
I fully agree, even if I don't agree with Milo.

Posted by: Eromero at February 20, 2017 06:06 PM (zLDYs)

73 The Two Minutes' Hate goes from the large screen to the small.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 20, 2017 06:06 PM (KIF49)

74 I hate this sh*t.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at February 20, 2017 06:06 PM (GzDYP)

75
Goddam 21st century Witchhunters is what they are.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:06 PM (+BZ5R)

76 60 Man with 13 year old boy: 'discovery'

Man with 13 year old girl: 'rape'

This is a double-standard in their guidebook that the Left will never be forced to address.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 20, 2017 06:04 PM (oVJmc)

____

"rape" rape?

Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 20, 2017 06:06 PM (WHC8a)

77 >>>Milo is part Jewish, and is an ardent Zionists (which is rare in the UK, trust me on this) so whatever Milo's said against "the Jews" is probably either unserious or else a critic of their liberal faction. The last of which many Jews will do in these comments every day.

no not really. Milo's grandmother is jewish which makes him TECHNICALLY jewish, if he chose to be jewish, but he hasn't. He was raised catholic and has never identified as jewish.

I don't know the context of the remarks. I've mentioned before that for a while, I was doing this dumb joke where I would angrily push my soup away and darkly declare, "This soup is worse than the Holocaust."

Is that minimizing the Holocaust? Um, sure, until you figure out the whole point of the joke is that I'm being silly by comparing a very minor trifle (disappointing soup) to the Holocaust.

Is that the sort of thing he was doing? I don't know. Maybe he was just being flat-out anti-semitic.

Not having the quotes -- not being a Milologist -- I just don't know.

The easy thing is to say the thing that will ingratiate me to the mob (he's a terror who must be purged! PURITY!!) but I'm fucking sick of going along with the alligator just in hopes it will eat me last.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:06 PM (8rNrN)

78
Bookburners, Censors, and Witch-hunters, the lot of them.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:07 PM (+BZ5R)

79 Why are we rolling over for the left? Haven't we learned we don't have to?

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 20, 2017 06:07 PM (Ztfnl)

80 62 And in a related development, Lena Dunham has called for a media blackout of coverage on Mr. Yiannopoulos in order for society to send a message about the horrors of child sexual abuse.
Posted by: CNN

But lesbian pedo-incest is oky-doke?

Yea......

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 20, 2017 06:08 PM (rLlua)

81 Great post, Ace.

The future is here: #DeathByElectrons

Posted by: ShainS at February 20, 2017 06:08 PM (mt8X9)

82
OT, but Dana Loesch looking like Elvira tonight.

Yum!...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at February 20, 2017 06:08 PM (4DCSq)

83 Just know, whenever we are winning something and the Left is on the ropes, there will always be some member of GOPe/TruCon that will fuck it up and do the Left's dirty work and be super proud of themselves for doing it.

Posted by: Maritime at February 20, 2017 06:08 PM (m8FSu)

84 Milo used my severed arm to diddle Lena Dunham's little sister!

Posted by: Michelle Fields at February 20, 2017 06:08 PM (Ya7zs)

85 Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:01 PM

Whether he was the victim or not, calling his molestation a positive sexual experience that improved his blow-job skills NORMALIZES the behavior. Milo does not get a pass NOW because he was the kid THEN.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:08 PM (S2VsH)

86 I'm OUTRAGED!!!!

Posted by: Barney Frank at February 20, 2017 06:09 PM (Ya7zs)

87 I've liked Milo since he ripped Leslie Jones and the new Ghostbusters. His comments about Jones got him kicked off Twitter., here are some Leslie Jones' tweets :
http://tinyurl.com/z9dnx5f

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2017 06:09 PM (4e+hS)

88 Whether he was the victim or not, calling his molestation a positive sexual experience that improved his blow-job skills NORMALIZES the behavior. Milo does not get a pass NOW because he was the kid THEN.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:08 PM (S2VsH)
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He should play the victim and sue then?

Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:09 PM (OmhcY)

89 That's it? That's what all the fuss is about?

More or less, it was poorly worded and could be interpreted as support for underage sex, even though he made it clear he thought the age of consent laws were fine as is.

I would argue that despite his comments he's far from okay after his experiences, but I know why he said it: its a kick in the pills to the "priests are all molesters" crap.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:09 PM (39g3+)

90 67 The problem with personality cults is humanity is flawed and sinful. If these pedophilia accusations are true, he should be jailed. If they are false, somebody needs sued out of existence.
Posted by: Puddleglum at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (rLlua)

What pedophilia accusations? This is not a case Dennis Hastert paying off someone.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 06:09 PM (z/Ubi)

91 58 CPAC once again rolls over for their doggie treats from the GOPe

Once again, our side is expected to lead the lynch mobs of denunciation demanded from the Outraged Left who give standing ovations to Hollywood pedophiles

I refuse to give a shit about Milo's morals, I'm not playing the Outrage Game any more
Posted by: kbdabear at February 20, 2017 06:04 PM (Ya7zs)

++++

It is a one-sided affair. Examples are everywhere. The left is always on offense mode and pounces at every crumb that looks edible. And the GOP plays on the teeter-totter willing to take any stand when challenged and looks like the popular bet to them. They are whores of the worst kind.

Posted by: washrivergal at February 20, 2017 06:10 PM (Ivjge)

92
We're at a point in our nation's history when we're dealing with an alternate-universe-ish puritanical mob.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:10 PM (+BZ5R)

93 If these pedophilia accusations are true...

Who is making these accusations? Are they being inferred from what he said?

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2017 06:10 PM (Enq6K)

94
Milo's getting the "full John Derbyshire".
Posted by: OCBill

If he were a liberal he'd be getting the "full Gerry Studds."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 20, 2017 06:10 PM (IqV8l)

95 No one is accusing Milo of being a pedophile.

Just like no one is accusing Russia of hacking voting machines.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2017 06:11 PM (zLVX9)

96 79 Why are we rolling over for the left? Haven't we learned we don't have to?
Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 20, 2017 06:07 PM (Ztfnl)

____

We have to work together with liberals...cuz stuff and more stuff!

Posted by: "Conservative" leaders at February 20, 2017 06:11 PM (WHC8a)

97 Not jumping on the Outrage Bandwagon. Yawn.

Giving in, only helps the bad guys here.

Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at February 20, 2017 06:11 PM (28iwF)

98 They hate Milo because he's a happy warrior, not a victim. Did he go too far? Was he too flippant? Yes. So what?

A more representative picture of Milo is to be had at his debates, such as this one at UMass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCcp36n2cDg

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 20, 2017 06:11 PM (EnKk6)

99 I'm a fan of Milo despite his sexuality, not because of it.

This IS scalp hunting, pure and simple. We. Are. In. A. War.

The Left understand this. The Left thinks we're the bad guys. They will pick off any stragglers.

If CPAC had any balls, they'd re-invite Milo and if there was a publishing house with them, they would pick up his book contract and put it out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 20, 2017 06:11 PM (xJa6I)

100 >>He should play the victim and sue then?

Let's not be hasty.

Posted by: The Red Pope at February 20, 2017 06:11 PM (/Nite)

101 I haven't heard the tape, and I liked NDH's description of the context a lot less than I liked Milo's (presumably self-serving) description of it.

But that internet hate-storm was ginned up by NeverTrump RINOs and progressives specifically in order to manipulate *us*. Screw it - I don't feel like helping them destroy him.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 20, 2017 06:12 PM (PXbkt)

102 >>>That's it? That's what all the fuss is about?

no, there's a bit more. In the same interview, he is dishing on Hollywood parties, and says to Rogan that there were very, very young boys there being given drugs and taken advantage of, but won't reveal whose parties there were.

This is taken as protecting pedophiles, which it is, but in fairness, narcing on someone is sometimes a tough call. It wouldnt' be for me, but... whatever, I guess his point is that this is common at Hollywood gay parties. or something.

The other thing is that there's another interview where he's talking about the age of consent. I think he says the current age of consent "seems about right," but I guess he expressed some notion that maybe it could be lower.

I honestly don't know about that last one; Milo says it's unfairly edited, to conflate his statments about affirmative consent being a joke (in the case of campus sex police policies) with the other discussion about the age of consent.

Honestly, I don't know, and maybe the people calling for his scalp know these things with much higher accuracy than me, but all I see are these disjointed twitter links.

I do not see the sort of written out, thought out indictment in essay form, with all counter-arguments cosnidered and answered and all evidence amassed, that would make me feel comfortable about saying "Let's smear the queer."

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:12 PM (8rNrN)

103 Forty Eight Hour Rule, anyone ?

For my 0.02, he's got all the right enemies, so he's probably square on target.
I'ma give him a break until given proof "beyond a reasonable doubt".

And by the way, I think McMasters is a hella choice.
"Seventy-Three Eastings", anyone ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 20, 2017 06:12 PM (Oeb2k)

104 Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM

Every single gay man I've ever met, thus far. Oh and I live in the Bay Area, so I've met my share.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:12 PM (S2VsH)

105 Milo does not get a pass NOW because he was the kid THEN.

I think Milo made these snarky comments a year ago, when Trump wasn't yet the clear frontrunner. And he said it in an off-the-cuff stream; he didn't make it part of his stump speech

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 06:12 PM (6FqZa)

106 If the victim of a sex crime says "I came through it
okay" or "It made me stronger," I don't see how I have the right to
insist that person give me a story about the emotional wreckage the
encounter caused, simply because that makes for a more compelling
Narrative about the dangers of sex crimes.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 05:57 PM (8rNrN)
=============================

The danger is in validating the experience, and making it normal. If it is valid and normal, and causes no real harm to the aggressor or the victim, then where's the problem? And it leaves other victims to question why they DO NOT feel normal or valid, in fact they feel devastated and broken. I don't like a message that says "I'm OK, you're OK" when it comes to childhood sexual abuse. Don't make the child even more afraid to say something.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 20, 2017 06:13 PM (dFi94)

107 Too bad for Milo he's not a famous Polish film director.

Posted by: OCBill at February 20, 2017 06:14 PM (df+Zi)

108 I said it on Twitter but I'll say it here :
I see Milo primarily as a comedian. Which is fine, but he pushed the line and it pushed back this time.

Comedian, entertainer, sure. Like Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. They both, like Milo, throw bombs all the time.

Milo pushed the line, but as the initial victim of abuse, at least in my worldview, that's allowed.

If a female comedian and rape victim wants to make light of the experience as a way of processing her experience, I don't tell her to shut up. I change the channel if it offends me. I don't boycott her book publisher or start a riot on campus.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 20, 2017 06:14 PM (ZFUt7)

109 69 The Left's outrage is to make YOU conform, not them.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM (oVJmc)

So... seeing as how this is coming from the RIGHT...

What is the Rights outrage about?

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:14 PM (qf6WZ)

110 The 15 minutes of fame will now be followed by the 2 minutes hate.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 20, 2017 06:14 PM (PqqkK)

111 Every single gay man I've ever met, thus far. Oh and I live in the Bay Area, so I've met my share.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:12 PM (S2VsH)
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Every gay man you've ever met has told you that about themselves?

Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:14 PM (OmhcY)

112 Like with Trump, I am not obligated to defend my allies where we disagree, while still supporting them were we do.

It's liberating.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 20, 2017 06:14 PM (LTHVh)

113 90: I should have paid more attention to what I was reading. I tend to skim articles. Apologies.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 20, 2017 06:15 PM (rLlua)

114 Here's the thing: by any reasonable definition, Milo is of the Left. It is only because he refuses one or two tenants of their orthodoxy is he labeled a dangerous heretic by them.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 05:55 PM (S2VsH)

He's pro-capitalist, anti-feminism, pro-America, anti-abortion, anti-PC. He's even anti-gay marriage.

His big issue is free speech.

That's not" refusing one or two tenets of their orthodoxy." Obviously you can't call a flamer who talks about black dick a "socon." But that was precisely his appeal to college kids. We have our serious sober voices. The Right desperately needed their own Lenny Bruce type to make a pitch to the millennials.

He made as many enemies on the GOPe side as on the Left, however. The left is piling on now, but this hit came from CPAC (and I'm surprised they invited him to speak in the first place - it's not the right forum for him.) National Review is just as happy at his downfall as Leslie Jones is.

Posted by: Donna di deplorable ampersands&&&&and so there at February 20, 2017 06:15 PM (P8951)

115 And he said it in an off-the-cuff stream; he didn't make it part of his stump speech

Yeah it was a bunch of buddies snarking and BSing together, but it just happened to be on camera. He was being caustic and British and his usual outrageous over the top self and went too far. Its being weaponized against him by people who know 90% of the readers won't check to find out themselves and at least half will throw a fit.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:15 PM (39g3+)

116 The other thing is that there's another interview where he's talking about the age of consent. I think he says the current age of consent "seems about right," but I guess he expressed some notion that maybe it could be lower.

Apparently the could be lower part is that he feels that maybe there are some younger than the age that would be mature enough to consent, and that he thinks he was one of them. Which really isn't some shock that people feel they are a bit more mature and ready for things at an age lower than the legal limit.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 06:15 PM (z/Ubi)

117 were where

one of those

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 20, 2017 06:15 PM (LTHVh)

118 Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:09 PM

He should call what happened to him "unequivocally wrong", not "awesome blow-job practice!"

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:15 PM (S2VsH)

119 >>.I haven't heard the tape, and I liked NDH's description of the context a lot less than I liked Milo's (presumably self-serving) description of it.

I don't know. He spoke of it all flippantly, archly, and with campy humor, but he speaks of ALL THINGS this way.

Some friends and I were talking, and somehow one of them brought up sex with a daughter (note: one of us have daughters), and one guy said, "Well, you're paying her bills, aren't you?"

Look, I don't know. This is called "Dark Humor." A lot of people think it's funny. A lot of people say "that's something that should NEVER be joked about."

There's no way to say one side is right and one side is wrong, but I'm on the side of the first group. I laughed when my friend said "Well you're paying her bills, aren't you? Fair is fair!"

some things are said for effect, and that effect is not always literal seriousness.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:15 PM (8rNrN)

120 Every gay man you've ever met has told you that about themselves?
Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:14 PM (OmhcY)
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themselves = himself

Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:15 PM (OmhcY)

121 ...the RIGHT is constantly destroying its own allies...
Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:02 PM (qf6WZ)

This

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 20, 2017 06:16 PM (xJa6I)

122 And furthermore, eff CPAC !

Just one more enemy unmasking for us.

"The list is long.
- Dirac Angestun Gesept"

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 20, 2017 06:16 PM (Oeb2k)

123 Speaking as a fan of Milo - ie, someone who actually follows the guy and watches his videos and speeches - he is the epitome of free speech advocacy.

If there is ANYONE on this blog who feels differently, you need to get woke. I'm deadly serious about this, folks.

The only speech that needs to be protected is unpopular speech. We live in a country where people's pronouns are more important than their deeds. If that kind of speech is now going to be made mandatory, how can you be against the most passionate enemy of SJWs?!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 20, 2017 06:16 PM (tHwdc)

124 In the same interview, he is dishing on Hollywood parties, and says to Rogan that there were very, very young boys there being given drugs and taken advantage of, but won't reveal whose parties there were.

Seems to me that Milo could do some good by blogging about this further. Would he estimate that their ages were 20? 18? can he offer a standard deviation or thoughts on college or highschool? Can he pass judgement on any of that?

Some good may come of this after all, if a pedo nest is overturned in Hollywood.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 06:16 PM (6FqZa)

125 Let Milo speak !
Don't go all Berkeley on him.
Don't let the left take another scalp

Posted by: Him at February 20, 2017 06:16 PM (4ke74)

126 I definitely don't think Milo said anything bad enough to have his book deal canceled--and I certainly hope he won't. But, at the same time, I do think he said something close enough for CPAC, in their discretion to cancel his visit--when, as I have read he was only ever unilaterally invited by Schlapp--probably on the basis of the popularity he was enjoying.

But there is a lot of bad thinking that goes on. The left is a hypocrite--no matter what the conservative reaction to Milo is. Their rejection wasn't on his borderline acceptance of cross-generational sex, as it was of his "white supremacy". And they said he was "homo-phobic" when skating so close to the line on ("oppressive") consent, he's not the least "homophobic". The way the left treated Milo is one thing. The way the right popularized Milo for a season, and perhaps censured him (or not--that's still up in the air) has nothing to do with the left lying about Yiannopoulos' views so as to practice exclusion while unqualified-ly squawking about "inclusion".

The left has been about solidarity of a hodge-podge group of causes--to which fidelity is the only qualification for inclusion. The right never has been. We have different "right"s. The Trump-ian populists seem to want to squish us into a mold that was "successful" for the left--because that's a way to "fight back". However, a number of us want to hold to principal.

Understand: that's not something to lose the whole game over, by, say, de facto electing Hillary to appoint Garland for Scalia's (stolen??) seat. But it's also not something that we simply abandon because purity didn't get us a spot to place Gorsuch--who hopefully staves off the deluge.

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 06:16 PM (2mC6G)

127 Every gay man you've ever met has told you that about themselves?

it is not exactly a secret that at least some homosexuals, a lot in some areas, are fond of young men, so much so that there's an entire linguistic culture around it "bois," "bears," "twinks" etc. What he's arguing is hardly controversial at any level.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:17 PM (39g3+)

128 Funny watching a dividing line attempted to be drawn between homosexuality and pedophilia.

They are closely linked and are both immoral on the same grounds, they are an abomination to God.

Posted by: goodluckduck at February 20, 2017 06:17 PM (yqvys)

129 Milo, call me.

Posted by: Barney Frank at February 20, 2017 06:17 PM (X+rUO)

130 >>>The danger is in validating the experience, and making it normal. If it is valid and normal, and causes no real harm to the aggressor or the victim, then where's the problem?

all I see here is yet another argument that we must all Censor Ourselves in order to only propagate Approved Pro-Social Doctrines.

when do we ever get to stop being Transmission Stations for Approved Pro-Social Doctrines and just get to joke around?

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:17 PM (8rNrN)

131 I've watched several of Milo's speeches on video, and read some of his articles. I like him. I never revered him as a True Savior of the Right. I hope there are people out there who have his back.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 20, 2017 06:17 PM (FQKBL)

132 In 1979, Polanski gave a controversial interview with the novelist Martin Amis in which, discussing his conviction, he said "If I had killed somebody, it wouldn't have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But... fucking, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to fuck young girls. Juries want to fuck young girls. Everyone wants to fuck young girls!"

Posted by: OCBill at February 20, 2017 06:18 PM (df+Zi)

133 Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:14 PM

Perhaps I should have qualified that with "every gay man who has discussed it with me", but since we're on that subject, I do find it remarkable how many gay men will VOLUNTEER their sexual history, whether you asked for it or not.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:18 PM (S2VsH)

134 @ace: "... dishing on Hollywood parties ... but won't reveal whose parties there were. "

My guess is that Milo was parroting some of the notorious Bryan Singer gossip, and may not have had any direct experience himself.

Singer quickly outed himself as bisexual rather than gay and had a child with a female partner in 2014 after the stories about his house parties went into wider circulation and threatened his directorship of the X-Men franchise.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2017 06:18 PM (zLVX9)

135 The publisher, understandably, had no idea Milo's ideas were so dangerous.

Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:18 PM (OmhcY)

136 Oh good, a hill to die on.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 20, 2017 06:18 PM (/f1mm)

137 I see this as being as much about Trump and Bannon and Breitbart and looking for the next scalp as anything else.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 20, 2017 06:19 PM (6Ll1u)

138 Whether he was the victim or not, calling his molestation a positive sexual experience that improved his blow-job skills NORMALIZES the behavior. Milo does not get a pass NOW because he was the kid THEN.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:08 PM (S2VsH)

So because Milo does not agree with YOUR Judgement about HIS experience...

He's not supposed to talk about it at all?

OK then....

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:19 PM (qf6WZ)

139 His least line of defense will be to convert to Islam

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 20, 2017 06:19 PM (PqqkK)

140 CPAC has been going downhill lately anyway. I don't keep up with them anymore.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 20, 2017 06:19 PM (mpXpK)

141 I don't agree with Milo on his 'it might be OK for a 14-year old to have sex with an older person, but not for a 12-year old' theory. But I don't pay attention to Milo for his thoughts on sex, I pay attention to his thoughts on the broader culture war.

So I don't want to see him scalped. And I don't want people who tell me I shouldn't worry about trannies peeing with my daughters telling me I should not listen to the 90% of what Milo says that I agree with.

Posted by: George Tirebiter at February 20, 2017 06:19 PM (/zyrl)

142 Is this basically the gay equivalent of a heterosexual male Sophomore in High School wanting to get laid by a MILF or a teacher? And calling it rape?

I'm not saying I support that kind of relationship, but it's MUCH different than what pedophiles do or support.

Posted by: Clam at February 20, 2017 06:20 PM (nq/J2)

143 Some friends and I were talking, and somehow one of them brought up sex with a daughter (note: one of us have daughters), and one guy said, "Well, you're paying her bills, aren't you?"

Yeah... my buddies and I used to joke about how we should tape our gaming sessions because they were damned hilarious, to the point we'd lose track of what we were doing and could barely see from laughing. Some funny dudes in that gaming group, and then there was me, who's not funny particularly.

We said stuff that was way, way over the line and just flat wrong that we didn't want anyone in the world hearing. That was the joke: we could podcast it and lose jobs, etc. But it was in the moment.

everybody does this. That's why my rule is, I don't care how outrageous, awful, or wrong your joke is as long as its funny.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:20 PM (39g3+)

144 Yeah once Milo is good and buried they can focus exclusively on Trump

Posted by: MAx at February 20, 2017 06:20 PM (/RZxG)

145 130. That's easy. Never. Cultural marxism denies the existence of any non-political activity or speech.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 20, 2017 06:21 PM (KWxye)

146 If I do decide to condemn Milo, it won't be while the Left is taking shots at him.

Posted by: waelse1 at February 20, 2017 06:21 PM (hW7pu)

147 Milo is a neo-fascist.

When the Nazis first arose in Germany there were all smiley-faces, just like fascists always begin.

His speech is fascist violence and he and his fascist fans need to be beaten down so they will come to understand true tolerance and understanding.

Posted by: Yvette Falarca at February 20, 2017 06:21 PM (GsAUU)

148 "Perhaps this is what we've always been -- perhaps we just needed a technological innovation of social media to enable us to focus and purify our hatred into a polarized speck of white-hot dissolving heat."

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The modern equivalent to the games in the colosseum.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 20, 2017 06:21 PM (PqqkK)

149 when do we ever get to stop being Transmission Stations for Approved Pro-Social Doctrines and just get to joke around?

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:17 PM (8rNrN)
========================================

For me, personally? I suppose I could give it a try after 21 years of therapy for childhood sexual abuse. But I might not be very witty.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 20, 2017 06:22 PM (dFi94)

150 So because Milo does not agree with YOUR Judgement about HIS experience...

He's not supposed to talk about it at all?

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:19 PM

So according to you, fucking kids is not a bad thing, I'm just JUDGING it to be.

I know more about you than I did before, Don Q.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:22 PM (S2VsH)

151 This attack was coordinated by the nevertrump asshole brigrade, those paragons of virtue like John "Look at my flaccid penis" Schindler and Egg "CIA buttplug" McMuffin. I really, REALLY hate these people.

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at February 20, 2017 06:22 PM (nvc/3)

152 oh look a demented snowflake. Dance, snowflake! Dance for us!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:22 PM (39g3+)

153
Perhaps I should have qualified that with "every gay man who has discussed it with me", but since we're on that subject, I do find it remarkable how many gay men will VOLUNTEER their sexual history, whether you asked for it or not.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:18 PM (S2Vs

+++

I've had the same experience with gay men. Not that many, really, but they've all have been very open about their past - which I cannot understand as I am the private type and I certainly never asked them or even hinted that I was even interested.

Posted by: washrivergal at February 20, 2017 06:22 PM (Ivjge)

154 The only speech that needs to be protected is unpopular speech. We live in a country where people's pronouns are more important than their deeds. If that kind of speech is now going to be made mandatory, how can you be against the most passionate enemy of SJWs?!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 20, 2017 06:16 PM (tHwdc)
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Because it's a simple matter of right-to-discretion-by-property. The Berkeley SJWs had no official veto power over campus conservative guests--so they did by violence what they could not do by formal process. CPAC has a right to decide who fits the model of conservative, for speaking at their convention, and who doesn't.

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (2mC6G)

155 He was invited so he could be uninvited pfft

Posted by: vizzy at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (TdKpj)

156 Damn GsAUU / logprof, you did so well channelling Berkeley I almost sent a flame at you for that comment

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (6FqZa)

157 Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 20, 2017 06:14 PM (ZFUt7)

I'm not telling him to shut up.
I'd note Amy Schumer made that joke about "preferring consensual" and got raked over the coals.

CPAC made a decision on sales, it's not working as planned, so they changed course. Perhaps, they should be less a circus in general, but that's my thought on them.

Posted by: Tsrblke at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (Uf3Wj)

158 I think there is a lot of hurt inside that young man. Hence, his remarks, his flippant attitude etc. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (CNHr1)

159 >>>"Whether that outweighs the sins he is said to have committed, I don't know."

I'm still unclear as to any "sin" Milo has committed. All these report look suspiciously like shit from a failed oppo dump..... but who knows?

Either way, they are bringing down a guy that our enemy has identified as their enemy...... isn't that enough reason to support him?

I think it is. This ain't a playground fight.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (br2jI)

160 For those interested in sex with 14 year olds, South America is your best bet.

[Disclaimer: The use of this information is at the readers risk. This is not legal advice nor do these words condone any particular sexual activity or behavior.]

[Warning: The surgeon general has determined that sexual activity at any age can be dangerous to your health.]

Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (OmhcY)

161 Would that these same people gave Bill Clinton and his Child Fucking Buddies the same treatment.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (p+Qx5)

162 Seems like an orchastrated hit to me.

Not nearly ready to throw in the towel on Milo just yet.

As was said of Grant, We can't spare this man he fights.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (+lv+r)

163 Thats some serious incoherent trolling. I'm kind of impressed.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 20, 2017 06:24 PM (rLlua)

164 If you are not of the Left, or one of its "allies" (like a moslem), you need to be aware of everything you say and how you phrase it.

Sucks that it the way things are, but it is the way things are.

If you say anything that can be interpreted badly, it will be interpreted badly.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 20, 2017 06:24 PM (MZcWR)

165 The smug gloating about the book cancellation is painful to see. People can be just awful.

Incidentally, as Ignatz notes: this was a McMuffin joint. That was the team behind funding the info dig and publicizing it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:24 PM (39g3+)

166 More or less, it was poorly worded and could be interpreted as support for underage sex, even though he made it clear he thought the age of consent laws were fine as is.

I would argue that despite his comments he's far from okay after his experiences, but I know why he said it: its a kick in the pills to the "priests are all molesters" crap.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:09 PM

It's his life and his experience. He's at least being honest. Unless he is stating kids should do it and isn't pedo/pederasty just super, let's all join in... It's just the way he sees himself and what he does. I get the impression that he doesn't view underage stuff as a positive thing in general, but that he enjoyed it. That's his experience and it's the truth (if it's not entirely made up). It's his truth and he shouldn't bullshit about stuff to appease the crowd.

Posted by: otho at February 20, 2017 06:24 PM (lmIoG)

167 Yvette Falarca is a sock y'all

It was just an eerily representative sock

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 06:25 PM (6FqZa)

168 One of George W. Bush's former speechwriters had a draft rejected by Dubya. It was a speech meant for Bush to deliver to the CPAC audience.

Dubya said imperiously to "take out all that stuff about the conservative movement". Because, he explained, there was no "conservative movement" in America worth paying attention to, because he, GEORGE W. BUSH, had successfully "redefined" the Republican party away from conservatism.

(Cue, a short time later, the "redefined" Republican party losing control of both the House and Senate, and two years after that, GWB slinking out of the White House with record-low approval ratings.)

Anyway, Bush delivered his rewritten speech on schedule. No one at CPAC apparently noticed the lack of actual conservatism in what was supposed to be a speech to conservatives. Which should tell you a whole lot about what CPAC had degenerated into over the years.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2017 06:25 PM (noWW6)

169 In an earlier, less inhibited time, I heard a performer singing a country blues song about his girlfriend that included the line 'she might be only 12, but she's got the body of a 13-year old'.

Posted by: George Tirebiter at February 20, 2017 06:25 PM (/zyrl)

170 His speech is fascist violence and he and his fascist fans need to be beaten down so they will come to understand true tolerance and understanding.

Heh. Our speech is violence, their violence is speech.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 20, 2017 06:25 PM (LTHVh)

171 I think there is a lot of hurt inside that young man. Hence, his remarks, his flippant attitude etc.

Yeah I agree. I think it how he deals with the pain and confusion and conflict within him. He's a strong Roman Catholic that is continuously violating one of their basic precepts.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:26 PM (39g3+)

172 His biggest problem was not going somewhere those views are not only celebrated, but eagerly practiced upon both the willing and unwilling.

Of course, I'm talking about Hollywood.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 20, 2017 06:26 PM (4ErVI)

173 On umlilo!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" in Zulu at February 20, 2017 06:26 PM (DMUuz)

174 Pop takes another shot, neat,
Points out the same amber
Stain on his shorts that I've got on mine and
Makes me smell his smell, coming
From me;

Posted by: "Pop", by The Actual F*cking President of the United States at February 20, 2017 06:26 PM (/f1mm)

175 Is this basically the gay equivalent of a heterosexual male Sophomore in High School wanting to get laid by a MILF or a teacher? And calling it rape?

Posted by: Clam at February 20, 2017 06:20 PM (nq/J2)

That's the wrong analogy. If anything, it's more akin to a heterosexual female freshman in high school being preyed on by a teacher.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 20, 2017 06:26 PM (zc3Db)

176 Yet in the comments of your last thread--

you were hinting at your sources already calling General H.R. McMaster--"bad".

That would be what--the third national security scalp?

Take him out and you would really have chaos and encourage all our enemies.

So dude...why is it okay to take National security scalps appointed by Trump--yet defend Milo--because of the "scalp argument"?

Maybe take a look at Kurt Schlichter's twitter feed.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 20, 2017 06:26 PM (fi5nC)

177 137 I see this as being as much about Trump and Bannon and Breitbart and looking for the next scalp as anything else.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 20, 2017 06:19 PM (6Ll1u)

Exactly. You think the Left or the GOPe really gives a shit about Milo's sex life? He's a huge Trump supporter. He works for Bannon's publication.

He must be destroyed. If "white supremacist" or "anti-semite" didn't do it, this might. Note it's not like the Rogan interview was made yesterday. Someone at CPAC was looking around for something to nail him with.

This might work because child molestation is still (thankfully) so taboo in our society that many will immediately recoil from anybody associated with it. Nevermind that Milo himself was the one who was underage.

Posted by: Donna di deplorable ampersands&&&&and so there at February 20, 2017 06:26 PM (P8951)

178 Fucking children is also a Pillar of islam.

But, let's impugn Milo for words.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:27 PM (p+Qx5)

179 This is a person who set up a "charity" for white boys wanting to go college. He raised $100,000 and gave zero back. Zero.

Ben Shapiro, whom I'm not a fan of in particular (for nothing more than stylistic reasons), had a baby last year. Milo sent Ben a "congratulations" tweet with a picture of a black baby. Why? Hell if I know. He has lost his ever-loving mind.

That's just shit I've learned in five days. I quit reading him long before he was nuked last year on Twitter only because his work about pushing back against the left seemed less about hitting the left and more about promoting himself and his performance art crap.

As someone who followed his career and very much liked him in the beginning, he's gone totally off the reservation. I've been making this point on twitter (I'm lilmissrightie on twitter btw), his "friends" don't need to be retweeting praise for him - he's lost his shit - they need to get him some help. He went after Salon for this very shit a year and half ago and now he's Saloned himself! Drugs? Who knows. Clearly f'd in the head. He needs help; not accolades and faint praises for being the brave gay dude who sticks it to the left.

He is not anyone's hill to die on, be it, conservative, squish, right-of-center, whatever. He's opportunistic and a grifter and this downfall, if you can call it that, will springboard him to re-brand himself into something that has nothing to do with "free speech" or "hitting the left" or whatever anyone here wants to call it.

I was played by him for a long time. I hope others see the light on him. He's not the ally you think he is.

(I've read some of the other comments here - this isn't some NeverTrump of McMuffin bullshit I'm selling here. I was not for one day NeverTrump. I voted for him, ferchrissakes.)

Trump and Pence are now speaking at this event. There was no way in bleeping hell they could take the stage with this mess brewing. Sure, Netroots is psychotic every year, and they don't call it Nutroots for a reason, and yes, the rules are different for us, but that's life. You play the cards you're dealt with.

I don't see this as as witchhunt or the "outrage brigade" doing their thing. It's about drawing a line. We all have them. I'd say any talk, joke, in jest, or slip of the tongue, about pederasty is a bridge too far for most people, but ymmv.

(My comments are strictly about CPAC btw. The book deal is a different matter. I'm not sure how Lena Dunham can actually publish pages about actually diddling her baby sister and this is okay, but, whatever. As for Breitbart, the report in The Hill is that six staffers are threatening to walk if he's not fired. But, yeah, The Hill, so grain of salt and all.)

Just as a tire of the SJW Outrage Brigades, conversely, I tire of feeling like I have to go to the mattresses for people who area kind of pieces of shit because SWJ went after them. At a certain point I think everyone can all foad and I wash my hands of all of them.

Posted by: LMR at February 20, 2017 06:27 PM (ctZ2U)

180 You won't condemn Milo today like all good members of the virtue signaling outrage brigade? Then we can only conclude you're endorsing his pro-pederast views. What do you have to say for yourself? Hmmm? huh? ah... nothing, duly noted. Ace is pro-pederast, mark it dude.

Posted by: scofflaw_x at February 20, 2017 06:27 PM (y9ZJX)

181 >>>So the party that is pushing for grown men to shower with little girls finds **THIS** offensive?

No the left hate him because he's conservative-ish. This makes no difference to the left.

The news is that this has given a large segment of the right (never-Trumpers who still get panties twisted over gay shit) a chance to vent and purge a jerk that offends them morally and politically.

Posted by: wooga at February 20, 2017 06:27 PM (3I7wr)

182 169 It was a joke.

Posted by: George Tirebiter at February 20, 2017 06:27 PM (/zyrl)

183 No comment.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at February 20, 2017 06:27 PM (X+rUO)

184 Yvette Falarca is a sock y'all
--

Kind of a hot, looks-like-she'd-be-a-wildcat sock, if we're being honest.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 20, 2017 06:27 PM (PXbkt)

185 My first instinct was similar to yours, Ace, and then I watched the second video. It seems cut-and-dried to me that, in the context of denouncing "arbitrary" age-of-consent laws, he's describing sexual encounters between fully grown men and boys as young as 13 as "life affirming" moments. Maybe to him, they were. I'm guessing such moments aren't so "life affirming" to others, though, which is why we have age-of-consent laws. There was no *wink-wink* aren't-I-so-edgy-and-dangerous playfulness to his tone, either, nor was he speaking only in the context of his own experience. He e refused to name the adults he knew had had sex with teens.

I was generally pro-Milo before this, for the same reason I was pro-Gellar wrt her Draw Mohammad contest: being provocative in the service of freedom has it's time and place, and I'm of the opinion that 21st century America is that time and place. While the freedom to draw Mohammed is one I absolutely support, the freedom to have sex with young teens is one I do not support. I suspect this is what is driving most right-of-center objection to Milo at the moment.

For the record, I do NOT believe that Milo was lobbying for *his own* right to sex-up teens, but rather to explain his feelings of his own experience. I personally don't see how that makes it much better, though.

Posted by: holygoat at February 20, 2017 06:27 PM (DbBV5)

186 127 Every gay man you've ever met has told you that about themselves?

it is not exactly a secret that at least some homosexuals, a lot in some areas, are fond of young men, so much so that there's an entire linguistic culture around it "bois," "bears," "twinks" etc. What he's arguing is hardly controversial at any level.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:17 PM (39g3+)

--Bears don't necessarily have a thing for boys; they're just burlier homos as opposed to the fairies Hollywood prefers to show on TV.

Homosexual men are actually not the complete opposite of straight men. With both, beauty and youth are highly prized in a mate (see: all three Mrs. Trumps). With gay dudes it's just taken to an extreme because reproduction does not complicate the equation.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 06:28 PM (GsAUU)

187 CPAC is looking more and more like it's going to be a nevertrump circlejerk. Trump's done more to push the conservative agenda over the last thirty days than these assholes and their failed candidates could do over the past three decades. They won't ever admit that, though, because he's "vulgar" ...

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at February 20, 2017 06:28 PM (nvc/3)

188 150 So because Milo does not agree with YOUR Judgement about HIS experience...

He's not supposed to talk about it at all?

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:19 PM

So according to you, fucking kids is not a bad thing, I'm just JUDGING it to be.

I know more about you than I did before, Don Q.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:22 PM (S2VsH

and the personal attacks start... how... typical.

You either believe in Free Speech, or you do not.

Or, as you just attempted to do, you can shut someone up with outrageous and untrue accusations of molesting Children...

YOU and your type are the danger... not me...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:28 PM (qf6WZ)

189 147 Milo is a neo-fascist.

When the Nazis first arose in Germany there were all smiley-faces, just like fascists always begin.

His speech is fascist violence and he and his fascist fans need to be beaten down so they will come to understand true tolerance and understanding.
Posted by: Yvette Falarca at February 20, 2017 06:21 PM (GsAUU)

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Right. The guy getting shouted down, threatened with violence and silenced is the fascist.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 20, 2017 06:28 PM (Ztfnl)

190 Well Ed Schultz is speaking at CPAC so all is well.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2017 06:28 PM (4e+hS)

191 Milo always talks like that. It's his thing. Sure if you take just that one snippet in a vaccum it looks like OMG he's the worstest person eveah!!! But if you know him and his work you realize it's just who he is.

But of course "conservatives" have to raise the white flag of surrender because someone on MSNBC is mad.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 20, 2017 06:29 PM (WHC8a)

192 "All that said, I do have an interest, and that interest is less about Milo than this same sick game of Pick the Day's Hate Object and Destroy It.

Is it my scalp they'll be coming for next week?"
^^^
THIS, THIS, THIS a million times over. I'm sick of the Leftist insistence that one need to either agree or oppose vehemently anything that you come across in its entirety.

I'm not a fan of lots of things that Milo says and stands for. But one thing he is strongly FOR is that I and my community get to dictate our rules for ourselves. That principle undergirds out ability to oppose the things we dislike about Milo in our own social/economic circles. If we throw that principle out, then we're in the same territory as the SJWs who want to use the State to enforce their own morality everywhere.

While pointedly disagreeing in certain instances, I stand by Milo.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2017 06:29 PM (L54EB)

193 Just as a tire of the SJW Outrage Brigades, conversely, I tire of feeling like I have to go to the mattresses for people who area kind of pieces of shit because SWJ went after them. At a certain point I think everyone can all foad and I wash my hands of all of them.

I wouldn't fight for him, he doesn't need defending. He's perfectly able to defend himself. I'm concerned he might view a pistol as a very easy way out right now, but he doesn't need me to defend him.

But he doesn't need me to attack him, either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:29 PM (39g3+)

194 CPAP just needs to take a deep breath...

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 20, 2017 06:29 PM (FtrY1)

195 Ace, I remember your "fear of brown people" from a decade ago, so I know you've got some ... er ... skin in the game as a target for this sort of thing. And I share you ambivalence of Milo's help in promoting and defending the issues that matter to us. I usually dislike "on the other hand" essays, but nothing else seems suitable at the moment. As you say, later moments will make our choices clear and there's no need to join the mob now.

Posted by: Puzzled Dolphin at February 20, 2017 06:29 PM (SEWg5)

196 >>CPAC is looking more and more like it's going to be a nevertrump circlejerk. Trump's done more to push the conservative agenda over the last thirty days than these assholes and their failed candidates could do over the past three decades. They won't ever admit that, though, because he's "vulgar" ...

Trump is a feature speaker at CPAC.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2017 06:29 PM (/tuJf)

197 I remember a lot of 1980s-era songs about 17 year olds that are still belted out by fans today. And not just Winger.

I saw him dancin' there by the record machine
I knew he musta' been about seventeen

Joan Jett didn't even like males let alone males younger than her, IIRC. She was playing a role for the sake of this one song.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 06:29 PM (6FqZa)

198 Kind of a hot, looks-like-she'd-be-a-wildcat sock, if we're being honest.

She's got the crazy eyes.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 20, 2017 06:30 PM (LTHVh)

199 147 Milo is a neo-fascist.

When the Nazis first arose in Germany there were all smiley-faces, just like fascists always begin.

His speech is fascist violence and he and his fascist fans need to
be beaten down so they will come to understand true tolerance and
understanding.

Posted by: Yvette Falarca at February 20, 2017 06:21 PM (GsAUU)

Threadwinner.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2017 06:30 PM (4e+hS)

200 Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 05:57 PM (8rNrN)

I have no idea why he got dropped except as you say, it seems to be that he is unapologetic for his behavior and I might add that throws the predatory nature of homosexual men into the open for everyone to see.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 20, 2017 06:30 PM (6z9sL)

201 >>Everyone wants to fuck young girls!

Au Contraire, mon frer!

Posted by: Harry Reid at February 20, 2017 06:30 PM (p+Qx5)

202 Until 2008, the age of consent in Canada was 13. In a large number of countries, it's 14. In Afghanistan, it's effectively 9 or 10 (age when children can marry).

Posted by: OCBill at February 20, 2017 06:30 PM (df+Zi)

203
Milo Yanipoulis: The Criminal Without A Victim

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:30 PM (+BZ5R)

204 Yvette Falarca is a sock y'all

And a brilliant one! Well done!

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 20, 2017 06:31 PM (rLlua)

205 CPAC still meets and has speakers and everything?

Posted by: RioBravo at February 20, 2017 06:31 PM (OmhcY)

206 3
If - BIG if - Milo is proven to be a pedophile, or has pro pedophile opinions, and when I say proven, I mean from absolutely unassailable multiple source, then it's the right thing to do. And a really horrible thing both for him personally and politically for us considering he is a force to be reckoned with.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2017 05:49 PM (mbhDw)

++++

Well, first off if you are going to read what Milo says to try to determine where he comes down on these issues, is you first have to recognize the definitions of the words he is using, or at least recognize his definition of those words.

When he uses the term "pedophilia", he is talking about an adult engaging in sexual acts with a per-pubescent child. Milo has explicitly denounced that activity and his discussions about what occurred to him in his youth were about things that happened to him as a teenager. Pederasty is the term he uses.

When he does talk about his experiences with pederasty, he has was always the youth. And, he portrays himself as the pursuer in at least some of those encounters. As far as I know, there are no accusations that he, as an adult, messed around with anyone underage.

Personally, I am no fan of Milo's. But, that is a result of his flamboyant homosexuality. Just not something I care to watch. As far as him seducing a priest when he was 14, I don't really care. I am not going to be outraged, or pretend to be outraged. Teens are horny little bastards, and many of them engage in sexual activity. This will continue for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 20, 2017 06:31 PM (R+30W)

207 @165: "... this was a McMuffin joint."

One of the three pedophiles that Milo claims to have outed was Louise Mensch's first husband.

Her brand of crazy is something special. Huge McMullin proponent during the election. Currently pimping stories that Giuliani is beholden to Russian gangsters and Weiner's laptop scandal was a deliberate catfishing, hacking, and evidence planting operation coordinated between Putin's henchmen and dark forces within the NY FBI field office.

Her Twitter timeline is worth a deep dive if you enjoy sniffing glue.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2017 06:31 PM (zLVX9)

208 >>Joan Jett didn't even like males let alone males younger than her, IIRC.

Could've fooled me.

Posted by: Dee Dee Ramone at February 20, 2017 06:32 PM (p+Qx5)

209 Ace,
even the crack about the priest was a joke itself.
Milo has very clearly been against pedophilia throughout his career (he outed a writer at Salon who was a pedophile).
I'll be boycotting CPAC this year.
Fuck those who put themselves on moral high horses.

Posted by: SGT York at February 20, 2017 06:32 PM (ITvKk)

210 Maybe CPAC would prefer to offer the platform to Bill Ayers, or Jerimiah Wright, or Brett Kimberlin.

Oh wait, those people don't need a right wing platform -- there is no platform OF the left unavailable to anyone ON the left for any reason at any time.

Posted by: pouncer at February 20, 2017 06:32 PM (XjJoi)

211 167 Yvette Falarca is a sock y'all

It was just an eerily representative sock
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 06:25 PM (6FqZa)

--Someone should make an Yvette Falarca Rant Generator. All you need is for every other adjective to be fascist or neo-fascist.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 06:32 PM (GsAUU)

212 I'm a little grumpy over nevertrump shenanigans today. Didn't mean to rant. They just get on my nerves so much and this Milo attack is the latest in a long line of aggravations.

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at February 20, 2017 06:32 PM (nvc/3)

213 Watch though. The narrative and momentum is shifting back in the favor of the left, they are gaining confidence and strength. The latest big news stories have all been lefty victories. I hope President Trump can turn this around.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:32 PM (39g3+)

214 The timing of this must not be a coincidence. They've obviously been sitting on this, similar to an October Surprise, awaiting the most advantageous moment to release it ...

Posted by: ShainS at February 20, 2017 06:33 PM (mt8X9)

215 Vox is also offering to publish Dangerous under his own Castalia House imprint, which is really interesting in two ways.

First, Vox will get far more mileage if Milo accepts than he could ever have hoped to trying to ride Trump's coattails.

Second, unless Milo has a much better offer (and not knowing what Vox might be able to offer), Vox is presenting him with an offer difficult to refuse.

Posted by: Jamie at February 20, 2017 06:33 PM (xuma8)

216 He's a strong Roman Catholic that is continuously violating one of their basic precepts.

---

I'm guessing that he's not alone on that island

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 20, 2017 06:33 PM (PqqkK)

217 I suspect this is what is driving most right-of-center objection to Milo at the moment.

Posted by: holygoat at February 20, 2017 06:27 PM (DbBV5)

____

I think you suspect wrong. The "right of center" objection is simple.

Milo likes Trump. Therefore he must be destroyed.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (WHC8a)

218 I despise the But I get it! I'm not like the other Conservatives! bullshit that hurls forth at every charge of racism, bigotry, misogyny, Islamophobia, etc... There's always a more enlightened elder elitist asshole standing nearby to lead the cheers of "Burn the witch!"

Our party is filled to the brim with pussies in short pants.

We do not know that Milo endorses pedophilia. We can, however, I presume, research, and verify or discredit, his claimed history of turning over pedophiles to authorities.

It's a very tough spot in which he has placed himself and those who want to support free, even provocative speech.

I don't think he should be burned at the stake for what we do and do not know, but do think that it's enough, at this point, to withdraw his pulpit at CPAC.

Then again, I simply do not get the draw to CPAC anyway. It was only two or three years ago that GOProud wasn't even allowed to attend, because they are a gay, otherwise conservative organization. NOW they want the most loud, proud,, vulgar, and provocative gay man in America to speak?

The whole thing reeks of sensationalism from CPAC.

Another thing... I asked on twitter: If this video has been around for a year, why is it JUST NOW being revealed by a "Reagan Republican" website? Why wouldn't they have wanted to stop the evil-doer in his tracks as soon as possible?

Something stinks in suburbia.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (SEXy3)

219 I wish Trump would go to CPAC and stand up for Milo.

"I don't agree with Milo's values, to put it mildly. If he wants to have black boyfriends, fine, it's even fine if he brags about it, but come on, at some point you ease up, even I shut up about it sometimes at that age.

But he hates the pedos. Hates 'em. Exposed three of them, and one is on trial for rape now. Good for you, son. The lies spoken about him arr the exact same as the ones that said I bragged about sexual assault, from the same people. And just know this: we will remember you."

I'm not really angry about this, because Trump and Milo won in spite of the "conservative" movement, with some rare exceptions. I take more umbrage with Kristol being able to walk around breathing American air, even if I thought Milo was guilty. Which I don't, not for a second. Anyone demanding for us to watch the video, instead of the true interviews they were deceitfully edited in from, is not just ignorant. They are the enemy.

Posted by: trev006 at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (cxQj5)

220 I'd note CPAC was already in a tough spot having banned the log cabin gop a while back and now letting Milo talk.

Posted by: Tsrblke at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (Uf3Wj)

221 214 The timing of this must not be a coincidence. They've obviously been sitting on this, similar to an October Surprise, awaiting the most advantageous moment to release it ...
Posted by: ShainS at February 20, 2017 06:33 PM (mt8X9)

*****************

It would have been worse to let it out AFTER Bannon and other Trump hires appeared at CPAC with Milo.

Or don't you get that?

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (fi5nC)

222 Look up some of what Ann Coulter has written after researching age of consent laws in certain states in Mexico.

It's pretty creepy, and the ones with the lowest are also pumping the most "diversity" among the illegal infiltrators the leftoids love to celebrate.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (GsAUU)

223 In 2015, when there were 17 GOP candidates, I said to myself "16 of these people, upon winning the nomination, will be guaranteed to be accused of sexism, except Fiorina. 16 of these people, upon winning, will be accused of racism, except for Carson."

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (VdICR)

224 An intelligent and articulate communicator, like Ann coulter... and like Ann coulter, he chooses snark over substance, shock over reason, too often for most reasonable people to follow him.. he's a product of the times, and for the most part , he was our product. hopefully this will an opportunity for him to grow and learn...

Posted by: macleod at February 20, 2017 06:35 PM (N315I)

225
It would have been worse to let it out AFTER Bannon and other Trump hires appeared at CPAC with Milo.

Who Fucking Cares.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:35 PM (+BZ5R)

226 If this video has been around for a year, why is it JUST NOW being revealed by a "Reagan Republican" website?

A website with that and only two other stories, both pro-McMullin. It was created exclusively to release this.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:36 PM (39g3+)

227 Trump's speaking at CPAC? Wonder what the reaction will be like from the NRO crowd ... I can see them booing him.

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at February 20, 2017 06:36 PM (nvc/3)

228 Send him to me

Posted by: The Gimp at February 20, 2017 06:36 PM (6x2r1)

229 Here's my take on Milo's current situation.

In his less outrageous days, he's made comments about homosexuality being a bit sad and empty. He seems to have a full understanding of the not so rainbow side of being gay.

He was molested but steadfastly refuses to play the part of the victim. So where does that leave him? Saying that what happened to him wasn't really s bad thing but rather something that just happens in the gay community and maybe it's even ok.

A LOT of gay men say similar things. If we are going to destroy Milo over this, we damn sure better go after the whole mindset, and that means facing some really uncomfortable truths.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2017 06:36 PM (CV0N4)

230 >> He's a strong Roman Catholic that is continuously violating one of their basic precepts.

So. A Catholic?

Posted by: Nancy pelosi at February 20, 2017 06:36 PM (p+Qx5)

231
What would have been worse??
The Fake Outrage?

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:36 PM (+BZ5R)

232 What Milo is arguing, I think, is that life sucks sometimes.

You can live through ugly experiences, perhaps even joke about them (one might note the presence of Werner Klemperer, John Banner, Robert Clary, and the rest of the extensively Jewish cast of 'Hogan's Heroes') without having your life destroyed by them.

Was Milo already actively gay by that age? I can't speak for the gay part, but I've had periodic (friendly) email exchanges with a woman of my long-term acquaintance, now long settled a long way away, who often finds occasion for reminding me I should have fucked her brains out five times a week and twice on Sunday back when she was fourteen and I was just enough older to matter, and, frankly (pedophilia alert!) she's right.

But I wasn't an authority figure, just a friend of a relative.

I'll need to do a little more looking before I know what to think of the Milo thing.

Posted by: JEM at February 20, 2017 06:36 PM (TppKb)

233 And of course the "Establishment conservatives" who spread those videos are in complete denial about how CPAC disinviting Milo is similar to what the colleges have done.

As for your mention of Pamela Geller;
When the shooting happened I pointed out, particularly for the "conservatives" spouting "I believe in free speech, but Pamela Geller is obnoxious", that what they were really saying is "I don't believe in free speech for anyone I don't like" - just like the SJWs and terrorists.
If they really insisted on getting in a dig at her while condemning the terrorists, the proper phrasing would be "Pamela Geller is obnoxious, but I believe in free speech".

In the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes.
And then internet-lynched.

Posted by: Sam at February 20, 2017 06:36 PM (FAHea)

234 Zed's dead, baby.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 20, 2017 06:37 PM (LTHVh)

235
Milo shoots from the lip a lot. He uses a lot of asides, mostly to amuse himself is the impression that I get.

I have yet to read the pertinent documents on this, but I have never gotten an impression that he is pro-pedophilia. In fact, quite the opposite from his attacking of the pro-pedophilia hack at Salon.

Another mad rush to judgement is how it niw appears, IMHO.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 20, 2017 06:37 PM (v1g1+)

236 68 I don't find Milo's statements very shocking. It's like the whole country is shocked, shocked to discover people under 18 are having sex.

IKR ? I for one was horney as hell when I was 14. I couldn't get anything but magazines and tapes until years later but if I had the opportunity at the time I would have enjoyed it. Now, not so much gay sex for my part. But if an older woman would have been willing you're darn right I would have been all over that.

Posted by: Noah Bawdy at February 20, 2017 06:37 PM (kI9U5)

237 I have never seen or heard Milo. It is unnecessary because this is just the republican's once again eating one of their own. Instead of asking him to clarify his remarks, he is being trashed. Shame on those condemning Milo.

Posted by: Locke Common at February 20, 2017 06:37 PM (XPkir)

238 Would that these same people gave Bill Clinton and his Child Fucking Buddies the same treatment.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:23 PM (p+Qx5)
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My thoughts as well. However, Pedophile Island was actually doing teenagers, while Milo was merely going on about that type of relationship.

I saw a guy on PJMedia who responded that attraction to prepubescent children is the clinical definition of "pedophilia"--but who here wants to cite the very recently popular definition of "authoritarianism" which (before being identified as a a complete data flip-flop) saw the authoritarian impulse being correlated to conservative politics?

Everything has been politicized these days. The dictionary says that pedophilia is attraction to children (full stop), we wouldn't need to specify "prepubescent children" if the word "children" didn't otherwise apply.

Can we cite the effects of the Gramscian march, while stating that something should be uniformly unobjectionable simply because it's a popular clinical definition--having already moved the chains?

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 06:37 PM (2mC6G)

239 Milo, call us.

Posted by: BSA at February 20, 2017 06:38 PM (X+rUO)

240 (My comments are strictly about CPAC btw. The book deal is a different matter. I'm not sure how Lena Dunham can actually publish pages about actually diddling her baby sister and this is okay, but, whatever. As for Breitbart, the report in The Hill is that six staffers are threatening to walk if he's not fired. But, yeah, The Hill, so grain of salt and all.)

Keep in mind that Milo hasn't actually DONE anything. He is not Jerry Sandusky. He just stated his opinion that older men having sex with teenaged boys (NOT children) is not necessarily a bad thing, in his view. That's a disgusting opinion, but to crucify him for it...?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 20, 2017 06:38 PM (KW1qk)

241 So they go after Flynn--a major scalping and your response is--"eh".

They get the other guy to drop after Trump says he's in--and you Ace are saying that your sources say that General H. R. McMaster is "bad"--with less evidence to present than the Milo mess--yet you scream at this disinvite of Milo at CPAC--which is much smaller -potatoes in the grand scheme of things.

It's disproportionate.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 20, 2017 06:39 PM (fi5nC)

242 Here's the dirty secret that got Milo shitcanned.

Men like the young.

Young males, young females.

I'm not saying pre-pubescent. Those that like that, jail 'em. They're preying on innocence.

But at a certain age in a youth, the hormones kick in. You get hard. The motor's turned on and you want to try it out.

Don't y'all remember that?

The joker in the deck is that puberty comes at different times, but the law says 18.

Does anyone's dick first get hard at 18? Anyone's pussy get moist at the thought of the boyz?

If Milo had admitted that and simply said, "The law says you can't have sex until you're 18. I follow that law" and shut up right then and there, maybe what happened wouldn't have happened.

But he didn't. He went full nuance.

You never go full nuance in politics. They'll destroy you.

Posted by: Kim Jong Nam at February 20, 2017 06:40 PM (D2SPO)

243 So. A Catholic?
Posted by: Nancy pelosi

You say that as a joke (and a pretty good one) but the truth is every Christian fights a battle against the sin within them. We all have a 'besetting sin' that we struggle against, usually in secret and shame. That's part of why we are Christians, because of our knowledge of how much we need a savior, that we cannot save ourselves.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:40 PM (39g3+)

244 Oh, grow up!

Posted by: Joan Rivers at February 20, 2017 06:40 PM (k6eHk)

245
Why do we need to acknowledge and react to every single Fake Cockamamie Bullshit Charge the Left and the Republican Shits conjure up?

They can just shut their mouths and go bother someone else.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:40 PM (+BZ5R)

246 Wonder if the lifestyle has clouded judgment

Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2017 06:40 PM (HDU3V)

247 I am shocked to discover that anyone still has sex.

Of course, i'm drawing that from my own pathetic existence.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:40 PM (p+Qx5)

248 So no one still cares that I raped my sister when she was a toddler- right?

Posted by: Lena Dunham at February 20, 2017 06:40 PM (mtGE/)

249 I'm a Milo supporter because I love free speech. And I don't care what everybody else thinks. He has a raunchy sense of humor. We're all Puritans now? When he is proven to be a pedophile, I'll consider changing my mind. Until then, screw everybody.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 20, 2017 06:41 PM (BHMfA)

250 140 CPAC has been going downhill lately anyway. I don't keep up with them anymore.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 20, 2017 06:19 PM (mpXpK)

Me either. It's just a bunch of speeches. Do speeches really persuade anyone who is not already watching or listening?

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2017 06:42 PM (sdi6R)

251 Keep in mind that Milo hasn't actually DONE anything. He is not Jerry Sandusky. He just stated his opinion that older men having sex with teenaged boys (NOT children) is not necessarily a bad thing, in his view. That's a disgusting opinion, but to crucify him for it...?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004
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It's a good point to make.

I mean groups like the Rolling Stones and Ted Nungent made songs about "jailbait" girls, that doesn't mean they were actual child molesters.

I strongly disagree with Milo being flippant about his experience, but I'm not going to throw him in the same group as someone who rapes children.

Posted by: Maritime at February 20, 2017 06:42 PM (m8FSu)

252 The Left wins again. Let the book-burning begin.

Getting tired of this.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 20, 2017 06:42 PM (u82oZ)

253

I wiil say this... I know gays, lesbians, trannies, cross dressers... some are good friends. This Milo guy is making an impact. He's saying shit that has some of these people nodding and admitting "I agree. But, I've been too paranoid to say something". Now, they are. They're leaving the Left Reservation. He has done good.

Posted by: otho at February 20, 2017 06:42 PM (lmIoG)

254 CPAC is very GOPe.

I remember Ann Coulter observing in a past CPAC that she and one Donald Trump were the only speakers arguing against amnesty (uh, excuse me, "comprehensive immigration reform").

If I were in charge of CPAC I would have David Horowitz in the prime speaking slot talking about the importance of everyone coming together on Trump's agenda, and then introducing the President to give some remarks.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 20, 2017 06:42 PM (hA1V+)

255 >>When he is proven to be a pedophile, I'll consider changing my mind. Until then, screw everybody

Phrasing - Boom!

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:42 PM (p+Qx5)

256 Of course, i'm drawing that from my own pathetic existence.

I see new babies, someone out there must be.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:42 PM (39g3+)

257 This attack was coordinated by the nevertrump asshole brigrade, those
paragons of virtue like John "Look at my flaccid penis" Schindler and
Egg "CIA buttplug" McMuffin. I really, REALLY hate these people.

And we need to turn our ire on them and make an example of these RINO pukes so that they learn they will pay a price for their backstabbing or they will continue to do it. We need to purge them from our party and not let them be the ones doing the purging.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at February 20, 2017 06:42 PM (9qei7)

258 >>Until then, screw everybody.

That's the kind of talk that will get you banned from CPAC.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2017 06:42 PM (/tuJf)

259 Shit, I forgot to mention how few fucks I give about anything CPAP says or does.......

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 20, 2017 06:43 PM (br2jI)

260 chuck berry's marie was just six years old

Posted by: vizzy at February 20, 2017 06:43 PM (TdKpj)

261 This is why the left always wins in the end. They may suffer setbacks but they always win in the long run. They don't have better ideas or arguments. But they have the one thing that is required to win the long game...LOYALTY. Doesn't matter what a leftist says or does, other leftists defend him/her to the death.

The right.....mmmm.....not so much.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 20, 2017 06:43 PM (WHC8a)

262 And this is how the left wins. They would never in a million years throw
one of theirs under the bus. But we as Conservatives can't seem to miss
the chance to plant the knife firmly into the back of one of our
"fighters"
...
---------------------------------------

This was jumped on and pushed by the "Real" (Katie Pavlich) Conservatives aka NeverTrumpers. So if you want to lump yourself in with those guys go right ahead. Make no mistake, there is no "we" in this shitty act. If the Moral Minority NT's of the Republican party have to lie, distort, and slander someone to win a point, then who wants to belong to the same junk heap? They disgust me.

Posted by: Joanne at February 20, 2017 06:43 PM (t+/Ew)

263 I don't think the "exposing three pedophiles" means anything because 1, he's a journalist who advances with each hit and big story, and 2, at least two of those people seem to be enemies of his so he'd have reason enough to expose them even if he had no particular objection to pedophilia.

otoh, i don't see much evidence that he is a pedophile, except he cracked wise about it.

I have a joke which I got from a movie. It's not a particularly good joke and I don't tell it often. I only tell it when someone tells a dark, un-pc joke, and I'm just offering up one in return.

Here's the joke:

"What's the biggest cause of sexual abuse of minors?"

Give up?

"Sexy, sexy children."

We seem to be cursed to imitate the left in all of its lunacies. If they talk about "normalization" of things they don't like by trivial actions (or jokes), now WE all have to climb upon the "normalization is almost as bad as the thing being normalized" bandwagon.

It's not. People tell jokes. People use irony. People deal with dark subjects with dark humor.

You know what doctors say? "You're not really a doctor until you've killed your first patient."

Are doctors 'normalizing" malpractice and murder, or just making a dark joke about a dark reality of their profession?

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:43 PM (8rNrN)

264 This Milo guy is making an impact. He's saying shit that has some of these people nodding and admitting "I agree. But, I've been too paranoid to say something". Now, they are. They're leaving the Left Reservation. He has done good.

I agree, I believe he's having a huge impact, which is why the hate against him. Its far disproportionate to his statements. He's reaching people that ordinarily wouldn't give conservatism the slightest time of day. Young people.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:44 PM (39g3+)

265 If Milo had admitted that and simply said, "The law says you can't have sex until you're 18. I follow that law" and shut up right then and there, maybe what happened wouldn't have happened.

But he didn't. He went full nuance.

You never go full nuance in politics. They'll destroy you.
Posted by: Kim Jong Nam at February 20, 2017 06:40 PM (D2SPO)

Your problem is that the law does not say 18... in some States its as low as 16... in England it was 16... in Mexico its 13... France is 15... Russia is 16 but was 14 for a few years...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:44 PM (qf6WZ)

266 Trump is a feature speaker at CPAC.

Posted by: JackStraw

While last year, he declined to attend after it became obvious 'conservatives' were planning to stage an attention generating walk out if he dared to attend and give a speech.

Is this the face of contemporary conservatism? Walk outs, dis-invitations, slur campaigns?

Because, if so, I'm starting to feel more than a little uncomfortable.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 20, 2017 06:44 PM (ZFUt7)

267 A website with that and only two other stories, both pro-McMullin. It was created exclusively to release this.

****

RUFKM?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 06:44 PM (SEXy3)

268 225
It would have been worse to let it out AFTER Bannon and other Trump hires appeared at CPAC with Milo.

Who Fucking Cares.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:35 PM (+BZ5R)

Agreed. Who fucking cares. I'm sick of being led around by the nose regarding what I'm supposed to think about whom because of this idiotically Byzantine system of carefully choreographed media scripts.

I voted for Trump not because I particularly liked Trump or thought I would like everything he did, but because I thought he would be a breath of fresh air in the face of this Kabuki crap we've all got so used to over the past 30 years that all just goes to blow smoke & money up the collective asses of the political/journalist class while they do nothing but business as usual without giving a damn about the base.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2017 06:45 PM (L54EB)

269 I might be wrong, but CPAC strikes me as the same sorta institutionalized, self-congratulatory starfucking and navel gazing that goes on at the White House Correspondents Dinner.

*shrugs*

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2017 06:45 PM (zLVX9)

270 Isn't CPAC basically a bunch of 23 year olds looking to get jobs at National Review? I never get why anyone gives a fuck what happens there.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 20, 2017 06:45 PM (WHC8a)

271 I don't see that the victim of sexual assualt can't be positive about his experience.

I don't see how others can judge him, those here on this board are out of line.

Posted by: Funky Mike at February 20, 2017 06:45 PM (V0hmZ)

272 >>Here's the joke:

What's the best part about showering with a 15 year old girl?

You can slick her hair back and pretend she's 12.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:45 PM (p+Qx5)

273 chuck berry's marie was just six years old

She was also his daughter, listen to the lyrics more closely. He misses his little girl, not his lover.

Not that there are not some cradle-robbing songs out there that people don't think about.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:45 PM (39g3+)

274 Teens and sex leads to trouble, Shocked to hear it. Teens want sex and adults do too, even more trouble.

Posted by: USNtakim at February 20, 2017 06:45 PM (hMqvx)

275 Ace, I never liked being part of the outrage brigade. In the heat of the moment it feels nice, but on reflection it always made me feel like I was dirty for participating.

I'm reading so many verbal knife fights fought with bad logic and presumed outcomes and basic prejudgment.

But Tolerance of Speech means tolerance of all speech. That means pretty much what it says. Even speech that offends you. You have a choice to not listen, but not the obligation to "other" someone for holding an opinion even if it disgusts you.

It would be different if Milo were diddling kids, but that is not the question here.

It feels like so many people disliked Milo because of what his lifestyle is, but felt they had to be quiet because of what he said and who he pissed off; when a pretext was provided to dislike or attack him then that was the reason given for attacking him for what people actually hated about him.

It brings to mind Camus' Killing an Arab. In this case, as someone called it, Camus could have retitled it "Smearing a Queer"

Posted by: Kindltot at February 20, 2017 06:45 PM (XMCn6)

276 Well Ace, I hope this won't get me banned but ... There is more than a casual connection between gay men and pedophilia. No I'm not saying all gay men are pedophilias, but I believe a higher than average percentage is. Or vice versa. Maybe it's the pedos who are gay. What was Jerry Sandusky? Gay or pedo? Both?

Posted by: BamaBubba at February 20, 2017 06:46 PM (vKTRb)

277 It's not. People tell jokes. People use irony. People deal with dark subjects with dark humor.

You know what doctors say? "You're not really a doctor until you've killed your first patient."

Are doctors 'normalizing" malpractice and murder, or just making a dark joke about a dark reality of their profession?

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:43 PM (8rNrN)

Very true... now add in Blonde Jokes... or heaven forbid.. DEAD BABY JOKES...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:46 PM (qf6WZ)

278 Funny this hit comes just as he had a successful appearance on Bill Maher and had been offered a speaking spot at a mainstream conservative event, and his not-yet-published book was selling like gangbusters on Amazon.

I question the timing, and I question anything that so perfect;y aligns with the Left's desires - in this case, taking out a guy who was getting through to the college and 20-something set who have been raised in a PC world and were sick of it.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 06:46 PM (NOIQH)

279 I don't like the pitchfork mafia and I'm not going to dump on him, but if you're always pushing boundaries - running head-first, full speed into them - you're going to eventually knock Humpty off the wall. Milo better have some mad omelet skills or his 15 min are up.

Posted by: not the mama at February 20, 2017 06:47 PM (EpAnP)

280
Since Ann Coulter was brought up, let me remind everyone here of CPAC 2012 when it was reported by "our" side that Ann "ruined" Mitt Romney's appearance and spoiled the whole day by telling a joke about John Edwards that the Left didn't approve of.

I won't name names, but a lot of people here joined the chorus condemning Ann.

The problem here is Us more than anything. We empower our own enemies.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:47 PM (+BZ5R)

281 CPAC can eat that bag of hairy dicks but I'll state here so I'm not misunderstood that ALL those dicks are 18 years or older.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 06:47 PM (6FqZa)

282 Look I got nothing against Milo, but he is becoming a distraction and while we have the White House, The Senate, and The House we ought to concentrate on getting things done and packing the Courts.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2017 06:47 PM (SjImc)

283 Well there goes ace's invitation to CPAC...

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2017 06:47 PM (CV0N4)

284 And so I have to ask: what is CPAC and what do they do that helps us? Over the last 8 years, what tangible benefit has CPAC had in defeating the advancement of liberalism/ progressivism?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (6z9sL)

285 It's not. People tell jokes. People use irony. People deal with dark subjects with dark humor.

****

I remember a video with Joan Rivers making a dozen crude jokes and everybody laughing along, then she made one about either deaf or blind people, and a guy in the audience got huffy about it. She went the hell off on him. "YES IT IS FUNNY!!!"

Everything is funny until you're the butt of the joke or, lately, until you can gain "But I'm Different!" points from protesting it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (SEXy3)

286 I don't think I've commented here more than once or twice.� I figure, what's the point, I'm just�one voice in a thousand, and I don't care to spend the time searching through the torrent for a reply.� I make my comments in the yahoo group.� But as for this 'burn Milo at the stake thing', I have one thing to say:� I DON'T FUCKING CARE.

I don't care what he's done, what he's accused of, or even if he actually did it.

Milo is a fucking gladiator, he's on our side, and he's doing a fantastic (dare I say fabulous?) job taking the fight to the enemy.� He's fighting where most of us won't, or even can't.� He's one of the strongest pieces our side has on the board, and once again the right-wing circular firing squad is coming into play.

Not me.� I refuse to fire on an ally in time of war.� Fuck that.

The champions on the Left are a collection of pretty vile people, and do we see them being burned alive for it?� Fuck no! The Leftys, for all their faults, have their fucking priorities straight.� Ace has said it again and again, this is war, and I'm not going to be forced to bind my hands following a set of rules that the Left routinely ignores.

You want to tear down this guy who is kicking ass in your name, just so you can virtue signal and preen your feathers?� Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: harbqll at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (AzapX)

287 Remember ALL those women that Herman Cain forced himself on? Once Herman dropped out of the campaign, where'd they go?

That being said. I also respect Niedermeyer's Dead Horse's opinions.

I got no opinions of my own yet.

Posted by: John is still unBanned at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (cDJX3)

288 CPAC should only feature good, upstanding moral men like Newt Gingrich and John McCain!

Posted by: SGT York at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (ITvKk)

289 Hopefully Trump just hires him.

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (na84Y)

290 I'm just glad there weren't some bizarre statements made by people in power that an enterprising reporter could've investigated BEFORE declaring it fake.

Oh well. Milo lost a book deal, so I guess that helps abused children somehow.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (/f1mm)

291 They're not ready until they are 16.

Posted by: Arne Duncan at February 20, 2017 06:49 PM (mtGE/)

292 There used to be a social event where friends and neighbors expressed their displeasure with an individual and encouraged him to either change his ways or continue his existence elsewhere. This bit of social feedback was known as "running out of town on a rail." These traditional methods long ago died out, being widely considered a barbaric practice incompatible with our professed respect for the rule of law and dignity of the individual.

Until social media made it easy and risk-free, almost anonymous, to do so from the comfort of one's own home in a web browser.

Posted by: MaxDamage at February 20, 2017 06:49 PM (AQGVf)

293 I am a huge supporter and fan of Milo. He drove the social Justice warriors bat shit crazy and they had no defense against him except fake ginned up outrage. Milo was not a sexual predator. He was a horny boy who experimented in a sexual act that he wanted to engage in. when I was an early teen I would have jumped at the chance to have a sexual encounter with an adult female. If he had been an adult, preying on young teens of any gender then that would have been unforgivable in my book.

Posted by: dri at February 20, 2017 06:49 PM (5ivmn)

294 >>Well there goes ace's invitation to CPAC...

Now who is going to do the presentation on Conservative Shelving and the modern man?

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:49 PM (p+Qx5)

295 Mexico its 13...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:44 PM (qf6WZ)

--You're not there yet. . . .

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 06:49 PM (GsAUU)

296 284 And so I have to ask: what is CPAC and what do they do that helps us? Over the last 8 years, what tangible benefit has CPAC had in defeating the advancement of liberalism/ progressivism?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (6z9sL)

Ha ha ha, YES! This, too.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2017 06:49 PM (L54EB)

297 The video was, get this, edited.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/257888/#respond

Leno Dunham CONFESSES to child rape and gets her own publishing imprint. Someone edits a Milo tape and he's a leper.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 20, 2017 06:49 PM (eSAWM)

298 >>>I don't see how others can judge him, those here on this board are out of line.

i could see how you could judge him. The "best" thing to do is to always express whatever narrative is in the best interests of society.

Don't do drugs. Don't smoke. Don't curse.

Even conceding that's the best thing to do -- do we ALWAYS have to be at our best? Do we ever get to let our hair down and be a little bit bad?

And if we do occasionaly be a little bit bad -- what's the penalty? What should it be?

what's my penalty for the sexy, sexy children joke? (Which I don't even think is all that great.)

I'm "normalizing" pedophilia -- perhaps someone out there takes the joke as encouragement to commit a sex crime with a minor, because he felt that my joke, by winking at the idea of it, indicated that it wasn't all that serious.

This is a structure of morality in which literally everything we say is postulated to have a Butterfly Effect sort of influence over other people, thousands of miles away, so we must NEVER say ANYTHING except the most law-abiding, pro-social-policy, pro-child, pro-family, pro-miltiary, anti-racism, anti-lookism, etc. thing possible.

No. I cannot do that. I cannot live my life as a Robot basically offering up Davey and Goliath pro-morality messages with every breath I take.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:49 PM (8rNrN)

299 The WSJ carried out an almost tactically identical hit on Pewdiepie (the largest YouTuber in YouTube) last week, using selectively edited and misleading characterizations to imply he was an anti-semite and a racist. Despite being untrue, it cost him a TV show, his place on his network, and his favored ad status. All in all, millions of dollars.

Pewdiepie has over 50 million subscribers.

They have figured out a way to take out the "influencers," people - individuals who have the ability and reach to counter the cultural messages of the institutions they control. And notice - this was done by the WSJ... not Buzzfeed. This is the media attacking, not the right or the left.

Expect this to become the new normal. This will be done to Every. Single. Conservative. Voice. If they can't stop the signal, they will empty the auditorium so you are only speaking to yourself.

Posted by: Arrow at February 20, 2017 06:50 PM (ZaLKP)

300 Are doctors 'normalizing" malpractice and murder, or just making a dark joke about a dark reality of their profession?

Almost all great humor comes from a very dark place. Almost all great comedians are themselves tortured and miserable, not always but so many.

COps, morticians, firemen, military folks, all deal in very dark humor as part of dealing with their job. Stuff they'd never say outside their circle because nobody would understand laughing over crispy critters and KFC. But its funny in the context and its a way of coping with the stress and sadness and hardship they face. And God love em for it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:50 PM (39g3+)

301 >>Our party is filled to the brim with pussies in short pants.

I do not wear short pants!

That's my buddy Miss Lindsey.

Posted by: John McCain at February 20, 2017 06:50 PM (/Nite)

302 >>Now who is going to do the presentation on Conservative Shelving and the modern man?

conservative shelving and GAINNZzz

Posted by: tray at February 20, 2017 06:50 PM (yPHZI)

303 I think we're being led down the garden path of outrage by people who want us lined up behind them again.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 20, 2017 06:50 PM (oVJmc)

304 In the 1990s Democrats had, simultaneously, a rapist president, one senator who was a former klansman and one who had drowned his date.

They never spoke about these issues, at least not in public.

Republicans see an allies' blood in the water and have publically chewed him up before he can even form a coherent defense.

And we wonder why Republican politicians are such cowards and so afraid of the press. They know for a fact that their base not only will not defend them if they go astray, they'll eagerly join the mob against them.

Posted by: 29Victor at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (GA8+N)

305 This smacks a little bit too much of Milo being declared "Obsolete" over intemperate words about homosexual activities.

I seem to recall several Planned Parenthood officials laughing, joking and gossiping about altering abortion procedure to harvest specific baby parts for the greatest financial reward, all caught on video, while they simultaneously crammed food into their mouths and swilled wine... yet these monsters still walk into work every morning to do their jobs.

Posted by: Henry Bemis at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (4/IwW)

306 Mel Brooks' "The Producers" normalized Nazis!!!!11!

Posted by: wooga at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (3I7wr)

307 I remember a video with Joan Rivers making a dozen crude jokes and everybody laughing along, then she made one about either deaf or blind people, and a guy in the audience got huffy about it. She went the hell off on him. "YES IT IS FUNNY!!!"

Everything is funny until you're the butt of the joke or, lately, until you can gain "But I'm Different!" points from protesting it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (SEXy3)

+++

I remember when Joan made a joke about "how everybody knows" Obama is gay and Michelle is a man in drag, and how she died within two weeks. That's what I remember.

Posted by: washrivergal at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (Ivjge)

308 Ditto Ace.

Mob wants Milo's head post haste=Wait a fucking minute....

We do not have an excess of FIGHTERS for our side.

Best to chastise, require penance and then put Milo The Fighter back on the front line.

Posted by: 'Cold Civil War'. That seems apt. at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (oBuXO)

309 ok, Its not like Chuck has a history of any hijinx thanks for the info

Posted by: vizzy at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (TdKpj)

310 "I refuse to fire on an ally in time of war."

Well put.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (Oeb2k)

311 Everything has been politicized these days. The dictionary says that pedophilia is attraction to children (full stop), we wouldn't need to specify "prepubescent children" if the word "children" didn't otherwise apply.

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 06:37 PM (2mC6G)

++++

It depends on which dictionary you check. Some, as you say, just say attraction to children. Others, specify prepubescent children.

sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object; specifically : a psychological disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedophilia

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (R+30W)

312 He's done a lot of good in the fight.

Give it time resolve.

Looks like a coop by the left and the vichy goop.

Posted by: local news at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (1isJI)

313 Very true... now add in Blonde Jokes... or heaven forbid.. DEAD BABY JOKES...

***

OMG! I remember those from Jr High. Gross but everyone laughed.

Also, I was in Ft Lauderdale for a girl's weekend and a guy with no legs flew by us on a skateboard. It took about .00000001 seconds for me to say "There goes Bob"

My friend shrieked out "Oh my gawd! That's so bad! The devil worships YOU!!"

Then she laughed her ass off.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (SEXy3)

314 Let's see.... Leftists pull the pin on an obvious Leftist grenade, and we all start shitting our pants? What the fucking fuck?

Whatever. If you waver on this, you ain't worth the fucking time.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (br2jI)

315 287 Remember ALL those women that Herman Cain forced himself on? Once Herman dropped out of the campaign, where'd they go?

That being said. I also respect Niedermeyer's Dead Horse's opinions.

I got no opinions of my own yet.

Posted by: John is still unBanned at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (cDJX3)

___

Speaking of which....whatever happened to the gazillion women Trump supposedly assaulted over the years? You know the ones that were going to sue him and stuff. Odd how they all disappeared.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (WHC8a)

316 Harvey Milk and Roman Polanski were actual child molesters and the left CELEBRATES them.
Yet I am supposed to get bent out of shape over stuff deliberately taken out of context and distorted.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 20, 2017 06:52 PM (hVdx9)

317 You should've seen me. It was like the Special Olympics or something.

Posted by: Guess who at February 20, 2017 06:52 PM (/f1mm)

318 Again, it comes down to the only dichotomy that matters:

Moral Absolutism vs Moral Relativism

That's the fight we've been avoiding for the last 3-400 years.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:52 PM (p+Qx5)

319 If there were any question about how homosexuals "reproduce", Milo's certainly cleared that little mystery up...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 20, 2017 06:52 PM (kP16F)

320 there's a 50/50 chance all this turns into a big nothing burger.

but the damage is done. the retraction will be printed a week later on page 16 and the loony left will not acknowledge it

Posted by: Rick in SK at February 20, 2017 06:52 PM (K2T58)

321 Milo, call me--wait! I'll call you when I get a chance.

Posted by: Denny Hastert at February 20, 2017 06:52 PM (X+rUO)

322 Aaaaannnnd we now see the CPAC right in its full snowflake glory. After all, it wasn't too long ago that they would take offense at the slightest provocation. Then they made their peace with Milo because they wanted to win the election and now that they don't have to worry about the supreme court, it's time to purge the ranks.

And imagine the right calling a gay man a pedophile? Couldn't have seen that coming. And yes I have watched the video and if that is why they are going after Milo, it's pathetic. If Trump really does have a pair, he'll decline CPAC's invitation once again.

Posted by: George at February 20, 2017 06:53 PM (k+pS8)

323 I can remember 15-year-old Brook Shields doing jeans ads with sexual innuendo and the MSM telling objectors to get over themselves.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 20, 2017 06:53 PM (hA1V+)

324 you have a good heart Mr. Ace

the nevertrump hyenas have already gleefully devoured Milo's corpse though

i can still hear the screaming of the lambs

Posted by: happyfeet at February 20, 2017 06:53 PM (mLfQi)

325 Was thinking the other day on a similar matter of conservatives attacking each other. If one doesn't find like minded if not exactly other conservatives it will be a piecemeal attacks by Leftists.

Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2017 06:53 PM (HDU3V)

326 I won't name names, but a lot of people here joined the chorus condemning Ann.

Mostly we condemned Ann for being a blatant shameless hypocrite who was past the expiration date. Being totally opposed to Romney in violent, no uncertain terms then suddenly insisting he was the most excellent choice possible and we all had to vote for the most conservative person ever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:53 PM (39g3+)

327 You know what's the best part of sex with twenty five year olds? There's twenty of them!

Posted by: Harry Reid at February 20, 2017 06:53 PM (2pZpo)

328 I watched Milo's Facebook video, read his Facebook posting, and clicked his provided links and read through those.

Milo really does seem to have outed three pedophiles with his reporting. As he noted, it actually costs money to do such stories, as you have to check everything and get review by lawyers to make sure you aren't opening yourself up for slander charges.

Milo said they edited video of him to make a deceptive cut that makes him look bad. He said that originally he was talking about the fad of leftists to demand ridiculous levels of consent, like "I want to put my hand on your thigh. Is that okay? ... Now I want to kiss your lips with my lips. Is that okay?" etc. etc. ad nauseum. In that context, he made some comment about "consent is BS" and now he said that they edited the video to put that comment into the context of "age of consent" so that it sounded like he was saying "age of consent is BS". That's Michael Moore levels of dishonest editing, and I don't want to see that kind of sleaze win.

Milo loves saying outrageous things, making outrageous jokes, even dark jokes. The Left wants to use that as an excuse to crucify him.

It's okay for a Left person to say something like "let's just kill Trump and I am not even joking" because it's obviously a harmless joke. Milo can make IMHO obvious jokes and the Left says "that is beyond the pale and he must be silenced". (Remember "a few broken windows are not violence, [the words Milo says] are the real violence"?)

The Left collectively keeps throwing stuff at the walls and seeing what sticks. They've had Milo (among others) in their sights for a long time now, and they have found something that seems to be sticking so they will double down on it. Hey, let's crucify Milo!

I imagine that he will survive this and come back from it. He may start cutting back on his edgy humor, and I'm of two minds about that. On the one hand, he says things I would never say, so if he dials back on the edginess he's becoming more like me, which is hard for me to disapprove. But on the other hand, I'm kind of boring and he's not; his flamboyance is part of who he is and helps him gain attention for the issues he wants to discuss, and I want that to continue. Plus, I enjoy some of the outrageous stuff he has said, and if the Left can force him to change, they're keeping him down.

Posted by: mr_jack at February 20, 2017 06:53 PM (M59SC)

329 i could see how you could judge him. The "best" thing to do is to always express whatever narrative is in the best interests of society.

Don't do drugs. Don't smoke. Don't curse.

Even conceding that's the best thing to do -- do we ALWAYS have to be at our best? Do we ever get to let our hair down and be a little bit bad?

And if we do occasionaly be a little bit bad -- what's the penalty? What should it be?

what's my penalty for the sexy, sexy children joke? (Which I don't even think is all that great.)

I'm "normalizing" pedophilia -- perhaps someone out there takes the joke as encouragement to commit a sex crime with a minor, because he felt that my joke, by winking at the idea of it, indicated that it wasn't all that serious.

This is a structure of morality in which literally everything we say is postulated to have a Butterfly Effect sort of influence over other people, thousands of miles away, so we must NEVER say ANYTHING except the most law-abiding, pro-social-policy, pro-child, pro-family, pro-miltiary, anti-racism, anti-lookism, etc. thing possible.

No. I cannot do that. I cannot live my life as a Robot basically offering up Davey and Goliath pro-morality messages with every breath I take.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 06:49 PM

Right on, Ace.

Posted by: otho at February 20, 2017 06:54 PM (lmIoG)

330 I question the timing, and I question anything that
so perfect;y aligns with the Left's desires - in this case, taking out a
guy who was getting through to the college and 20-something set who
have been raised in a PC world and were sick of it. Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 06:46 PM (NOIQH)
=====

Whether (D) or (R), can't have those kids thinking for themselves. They might not give us all their money and sit quietly at the feet of their elders.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 20, 2017 06:54 PM (MIKMs)

331 Posted by: harbqll at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (AzapX)

****

From where did you copy that?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 06:54 PM (SEXy3)

332 It sounds like the right eating its own with the help of the GOPe. It seems like scalps are being taken fast and furious. Too bad. Milo is fabulous and gets under the skin of the left in a very effective way. I hope he doesn't get buried by this.

Posted by: USNtakim at February 20, 2017 06:55 PM (hMqvx)

333 Ooops. Just this weekend, I was touting Milo to be Trump's Comedic Champion at the WH Correspondent's Dinner.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2017 06:55 PM (bQxkN)

334 Anybody who thinks Milo is gone and doomed at this point is going to be very surprised, I think. He's not going away any more than Trump is or Breitbart would have, if his heart hadn't popped. This is a setback and a hard time for Milo, but he'll be back.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (39g3+)

335 Are these the same people who wanted to kick a marine out of the services because he objected to a 12 yr old boy being chained to a bed to be used as a sex object by an Afghanistan officer? FUCK THESE PEOPLE. Milo was not in any way calling for pedophilia,unlike Lena Dunham.

Posted by: Pamazon at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (NNdb5)

336 >>I can remember 15-year-old Brook Shields doing jeans ads with sexual innuendo and the MSM telling objectors to get over themselves.

After a 14 year old Brooke Shields starred in Blue Lagoon.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (p+Qx5)

337 Milo lost me with that staged Gavin McInnis kiss.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (eLvFT)

338 During one of Milo's speeches, he announced that every time some a-hole interrupted him in the middle of the sentence, he was gonna donate $200 to Trump's campaign. IIRC there was at least $400 during the portion I watched.

I got a kick out of how he refers to Trump as "Daddy."

So shoot me - now's the time, before I purchase my Sig!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (tHwdc)

339
They have figured out a way to take out the
"influencers," people - individuals who have the ability and reach to
counter the cultural messages of the institutions they control. And
notice - this was done by the WSJ... not Buzzfeed. This is the media
attacking, not the right or the left.

Expect this to become the new normal. This will be done to Every.
Single. Conservative. Voice. If they can't stop the signal, they will
empty the auditorium so you are only speaking to yourself.

Posted by: Arrow at February 20, 2017 06:50 PM (ZaLKP)

The owners of the media attacking. It's going to get uglier. Stealth filtering on social media.

Posted by: local news at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (1isJI)

340 >>They have figured out a way to take out the "influencers," people -
individuals who have the ability and reach to counter the cultural
messages of the institutions they control. And notice - this was done by
the WSJ... not Buzzfeed. This is the media attacking, not the right or
the left

THIS --- Reminds me of this Belmont Club post about the true danger of Snowden's NSA surveillance revelations:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zwdhcl4

Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (NOIQH)

341 Fucking communists will not be burning down Berkeley on account of anything CPAC said.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (VdICR)

342 -286 well put, harbqll

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (na84Y)

343 So according to you, fucking kids is not a bad thing, I'm just JUDGING it to be.

I know more about you than I did before, Don Q.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:22 PM (S2VsH)

Translation: You're not condemning this hard enough, so maybe YOU'RE a witch, too!!!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (L54EB)

344
Mostly we condemned Ann for being a blatant shameless hypocrite

No "we" didn't. Because we were all hypocrites in 2012 because we saw what was at stake.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 06:57 PM (+BZ5R)

345 We need to apply the Clinton Test: unless it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law, he's completely innocent, totally vindicated and the object of a hate-filled smear campaign.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at February 20, 2017 06:57 PM (J8/9G)

346 Hi happyfeet . I remember you from Jeff Goldstein's proteinwisdom, before he went nevertrump. How's he doing these days?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 06:57 PM (6FqZa)

347 I also have stated I will not participate with Leftist Speech Codes, or with Outrage Mobs orchestrated by the leftists and their NeverTrump allies. Hence why I did not support taking the confederate symbols down at that moment, will not be the first to tear down Milo, and supported Trump. Why? Because the left will use that take down as the fuel to take down much, much more important things and people.

Hence why the GOP has been useless in the culture wars, why they left took over academia and entertainment, and why we are losing our national pride. Heck it is why nationalism is now a bad word.

NeverTrumpers are even worse than the standard issue GOP hack, for they actually side with the left enthusiastically instead of a cowardly retreat. Hence why tweets by McMuffin are re-tweeted by BLM activists, and McCain is a hero on MSNBC.

Never give the left an inch, unless there is absolutely no other choice that you must give that inch. Otherwise be prepared for them to turn that inch into a mile.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 20, 2017 06:58 PM (MuTTO)

348 Milo's real crime was exposing the fact that this is a completely accepted part of gay culture.

Yet conservatives who didn't want gay scout leaders are bigoted monsters, right?

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2017 06:58 PM (CV0N4)

349 These are the same people who voted for the most pedo-looking VP candidate in American history. I swear Kaine has a panel van somewhere with "free candy" on the side.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:58 PM (39g3+)

350 MILO ABUSED DAVEY AND GOLIATH???

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 20, 2017 06:58 PM (oVJmc)

351 I'm a Milo supporter. He pisses off my enemies.

Fuck them.

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2017 06:58 PM (qUNWi)

352 When is last time anyone on TWD gotten a tetanus shot?

Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2017 06:58 PM (HDU3V)

353 The Aristocrats!

Posted by: bob saget at February 20, 2017 06:59 PM (n8oxI)

354
There's always going to be the 'blue haired ladies' contingent of conservatism who Rick Santorum will exploit every four years for his own financial gain.

They will never, ever 'get' Milo. This is a hit job to appease the 'blue haired ladies'.

Milo will probably pull another 500 grand from the noise.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 20, 2017 06:59 PM (ZFUt7)

355 harbqll,

Preach it.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 20, 2017 06:59 PM (BHMfA)

356 No "we" didn't.

Yeah, we did. She went full on reversal and poured it on like some kind of high priestess. We said "well he's awful but better him than Obama" while holding our noses. Well most of us, some were really fans.

Big difference there. She went from "he's the worst candidate we have" to "he's the salvation of America!" almost overnight.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 06:59 PM (39g3+)

357 @348, Lauren

Yes. That about sums it up!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 20, 2017 07:00 PM (kP16F)

358
When is last time anyone on TWD gotten a tetanus shot?

When's the last time someone on TWD puked from the rancid smell of rotting corpse?

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 20, 2017 07:00 PM (+BZ5R)

359 The only heads that need to roll are the #nevertrumpers. We've elected a president that's acting the most Conservative in living memory and they're still stabbing Trump and the right in the back. Lets purge them.

Posted by: TheBigH at February 20, 2017 07:00 PM (/5WmT)

360 ...before cool reflection has even slipped on its first sock

Nah, socks are uncool. I rarely wear them.

Posted by: Cool Reflection at February 20, 2017 07:00 PM (hA1V+)

361 278 Funny this hit comes just as he had a successful appearance on Bill Maher and had been offered a speaking spot at a mainstream conservative event, and his not-yet-published book was selling like gangbusters on Amazon.

I question the timing, and I question anything that so perfect;y aligns with the Left's desires - in this case, taking out a guy who was getting through to the college and 20-something set who have been raised in a PC world and were sick of it.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 06:46 PM (NOIQH)

Exactly so. What makes this doubly disgusting is that the GOPe was involved. Good job, GOPe. Young people who might have started to question PC because of Milo will now be told they were taken in by a "child molester" so nothing Milo says is valid.

Posted by: Donna di deplorable ampersands&&&&and so there at February 20, 2017 07:00 PM (P8951)

362 345
We need to apply the Clinton Test: unless it's proven beyond a shadow
of a doubt in a court of law, he's completely innocent, totally
vindicated and the object of a hate-filled smear campaign.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at February 20, 2017 06:57 PM (J8/9G)

One way to let them live by their rules.

Posted by: local news at February 20, 2017 07:00 PM (1isJI)

363 niedermeyer's dead horse is a she?

wow.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 20, 2017 07:00 PM (WTSFk)

364 @349: "I swear Kaine has a panel van somewhere with 'free candy' on the side."

Kaine reminds me of a much less clever Pastor Tim from The Americans.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2017 07:01 PM (3Vlkn)

365 Until the first effen person comes out and puts Kevin Jennings effen head on a pike, I don't worry about Milo.
Kevin Jennings was foisted on the public school system. I hope the rat bastards dick blows up to the size of a tree stump.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 20, 2017 07:01 PM (gR5Vc)

366 I swear Kaine has a panel van somewhere with "free candy" on the side.

That dude FREAKS ME OUT.

Posted by: Pennywise the Clown at February 20, 2017 07:01 PM (oVJmc)

367 284 And so I have to ask: what is CPAC and what do they do that helps
us? Over the last 8 years, what tangible benefit has CPAC had in
defeating the advancement of liberalism/ progressivism?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (6z9sL)

Well, remember that time when they invited Mitch McConnell in 2014 - carrying a rifle! - just after he used a bunch of money to defeat ... oh, wait. Nevermind.

Posted by: Joanne at February 20, 2017 07:01 PM (t+/Ew)

368 315
287 Remember ALL those women that Herman Cain forced himself on? Once Herman dropped out of the campaign, where'd they go?

That being said. I also respect Niedermeyer's Dead Horse's opinions.

I got no opinions of my own yet.

Posted by: John is still unBanned at February 20, 2017 06:48 PM (cDJX3)

___

Speaking of which....whatever happened to the gazillion women Trump
supposedly assaulted over the years? You know the ones that were going
to sue him and stuff. Odd how they all disappeared.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (WHC8a)
-------------As opposed to all the women who accused Bill Clinton. And are STILL accusing Bill Clinton.Funny how that is.

Posted by: John is still unBanned at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (cDJX3)

369 Milo's comments are nothing compared to James Alefantis' Instagram. But that's "fake news" we're not allowed to talk about.

Posted by: schizoid at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (YcYR+)

370 Milo does offer bjs to men, especially seemingly heterosexual ones, (like police who remove protestors from his speeches) a little too often and the Gavin staged kiss, a married heterosexual man, and saying he seduced a priest. So, to think Milo is of advocates gay sexual predatory behavior when he puts that persona out there himself, well it isn't a far stretch.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (eLvFT)

371 Also, I was in Ft Lauderdale for a girl's weekend and a guy with no legs flew by us on a skateboard. It took about .00000001 seconds for me to say "There goes Bob"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (SEXy3)

---------------

Wait, I thought Bob was a guy with no arms or legs floating in a pool.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (kTF2Z)

372 Never give the left an inch, unless there is
absolutely no other choice that you must give that inch. Otherwise be
prepared for them to turn that inch into a mile.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 20, 2017 06:58 PM (MuTTO)

Yup.

Posted by: local news at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (1isJI)

373 I think you suspect wrong. The "right of center" objection is simple.

Milo likes Trump. Therefore he must be destroyed.
Posted by: #neverskankles at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (WHC8a)

--------------------------

I'm right-of-center and I like Trump. A lot of my Twitter feed consists of the same, and most of them feel the same way I do about this. In fact, most right-of-center are not NeverTrump, else Hillary would be busy cementing Obama's legacy instead of getting black-out drunk between Hillary-in-the-wild photo ops.

Posted by: holygoat at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (DbBV5)

374 Your problem is that the law does not say 18... in some States its as low as 16... in England it was 16... in Mexico its 13... France is 15... Russia is 16 but was 14 for a few years...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 06:44 PM (qf6WZ)

++++

Not only that, but the law in the US used to be younger, in some cases, much younger.

While the general age of consent is now set between 16 and 18 in all U.S. states, the age of consent has widely varied across the country in the past. In 1880, the age of consent was set at 10 or 12 in most states, with the exception of Delaware where it was 7. The ages of consent were raised across the U.S. during the late 19th century and the early 20th century. By 1920 ages of consent generally rose to 16-18 and small adjustments to these laws occurred after 1920. As of 2015 the final state to raise its age of general consent was Hawaii, which changed it from 14 to 16 in 2001.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States

That's right, as recently as the GWB presidency, the age of consent was 14 in part of the USA.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (R+30W)

375 Dana Loesch, looking like one of those death chicks I dug in high school.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (GsAUU)

376 363 niedermeyer's dead horse is a she?

wow.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp

next thin you know they will tell us is Charlie Brown's Dildo is a Mrs.

Posted by: Rick in SK at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (K2T58)

377 The mysterious case of the disappearing post!!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 20, 2017 07:03 PM (UpGcq)

378 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 20, 2017 07:03 PM (KCxzN)

379 Here's how I figure: We can have a world where Milo is empowered or where the people who hate Milo are in power.

I certainly don't idealize/agree with either worldview overall.

But I know for a fact that regarding sexuality & culture, Milo's world at least would allow me to keep my views and his views separate in our own spheres, whereas the Left view would try to exterminate my world and force me to accept theirs in all aspects of sex & culture.

I'm happy to let Milo and his people be themselves because he's for letting me and my people be ourselves. The Left isn't. And that's why I'm with Milo, disagreements and all.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2017 07:03 PM (L54EB)

380 I think almost everyone jumps too fast and too high at the word "go," and almost everybody is too eager to get on a train.

I ain't on nobody's train, and I ain't jumping. If I get left behind, so be it.

The only info I have so far is that someone wants to Get Milo *really* bad, and the usual suspects are going along with it.

The details, as far as I have seen so far, are "interpreted with maximal hostility," which, unfortunately, seems to be the way of things now. Unfortunately, people don't seem to be hip to this game yet. Even more unfortunately, people seem eager to join in the game.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2017 07:03 PM (wB8Tg)

381 >>Posted by: Anonymous at February 20, 2017 07:02 PM (eLvFT)

That's a good nic for you. Idiot.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:03 PM (p+Qx5)

382 Lena Dunham admits to having sexually molested a child in her book, and this is laughed off and forgotten.

Milo makes these statements (full disclosure, I don't know all the context about this latest controversy) and he needs to be destroyed.

Both are known for living in that provocateur role (Milo is more explosive, but then, he's fighting against the dominant culture. If Dunham was doing her schtick in an earlier era, she would be the more explosive of the two).

So, yeah. Not condoning what Milo said, but sorry guys. Tear apart Dunham's career first, then come back to me.

Posted by: Revenant at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (ER4LC)

383 Milo's comments about his experience are not unusual.

Pedophiles groom their victims to believe that they (the child) is the cause of and in control of the rape. Pedophiles show the kids love, love they are not receiving from someone very important to them - a parent. His father abandoned him & his stepfather was a "tyrant". Pedophiles turn that love into a tool to manipulate the child into "consent". Because the kids may love their pedophile they take the burden and the shame. The shame stays - maybe forever.

How do you reconcile shame? By contorting your memory or accepting that you were not actually responsible. If you weren't responsible then you weren't in charge and for a strong adult that is hard to admit.

He needs understanding for what he has been through and still re-lives. His memory is wrong - it is a delusion.

Posted by: Not Freud at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (mtGE/)

384 What's with the Loesch choker collar? Slut.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (X+rUO)

385 >>niedermeyer's dead horse is a she?

wow.

Pssst, OregonMuse is a dude!

Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (NOIQH)

386 Milo fucked up because he uses humor to deal with the trauma he went through. Using humor is not a bad thing. Using humor to discuss the traumas with strangers in a public forum is not.

I listened to the Rogan podcast because I enjoy Rogan and always have. It was a great conversation but even Rogan said that Milo does himself a disservice by the sexual shit he throws out there about himself.

Milo is not anonymous speaking on the internet. He needed to have somebody grab him long ago and explain this to him.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (FKHWN)

387 Forced again to play by our own rules while our opponents cheer actual rapists and pedos.

Posted by: reality man at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (Ch0fq)

388 This is the little gay fella that became famous over a twitter banning row? Yeah, he's a bomb thrower what likes throwing bombs. Can't be too outraged if a significant number of people react negatively.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (wmcUK)

389 Isn't Dunham's sister a lesbian now? No surprise there!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 20, 2017 07:05 PM (kP16F)

390 CPAC can go get fucked up the ass and Breitbart too if they can Milo. A temporary suspension till this blows over, fine, but an out and out firing? They are legitimizing high tech lynchings and handing the left another scalp. Bunch of dickless fucking cowards.

I don't give two fucks how controversial Milo is, because fuck you, war.

Posted by: John Nada at February 20, 2017 07:05 PM (W9dvU)

391 Boulder terlit hobo - just in case in wasn't clear in the last thread, the "making s*** up" thing was a joke.

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2017 07:05 PM (LAe3v)

392 a bizarre bit of Trivia: In Raiders of the Lost Ark, remember when Marion says "I was too young. It was wrong and you knew it?"

And Indy says, "You were old enough to know what you were doing"?

You know how old she was supposed to be when Indy seduced her?

According to the original script conference when they were tossing out ideas, Indy was supposed to be a real rogue. And to prove he was a rogue, they were going to tell you how old Marion was when Indy devirginized her:

She was eleven.

I think their idea was to provide some historical grounding for the film -- the age of consent and marriage were younger in the 30s.

They, um... didn't include that detail in the actual movie, and left it vague.

But look it up: She was supposed to be ELEVEN when they had their "affair."

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:05 PM (8rNrN)

393 So, to think Milo is of advocates gay sexual predatory behavior when he puts that persona out there himself, well it isn't a far stretch.

Except he didn't, he did it from the opposite side: young people preying on old, as it were. As a joke.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:05 PM (39g3+)

394 Pssst, OregonMuse is a dude!
Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (NOIQH

Is Xhe aware of this breaking news?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 20, 2017 07:06 PM (FKHWN)

395 I thought we weren't supposed to judge others based on their sexuality?

Damn, this Calvinball is hard to keep a hold of...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 20, 2017 07:06 PM (sK2fh)

396 382
Lena Dunham admits to having sexually molested a child in her book, and this is laughed off and forgotten.

Milo
makes these statements (full disclosure, I don't know all the context
about this latest controversy) and he needs to be destroyed.

Both
are known for living in that provocateur role (Milo is more explosive,
but then, he's fighting against the dominant culture. If Dunham was
doing her schtick in an earlier era, she would be the more explosive of
the two).

So, yeah. Not condoning what Milo said, but sorry guys. Tear apart Dunham's career first, then come back to me.

Posted by: Revenant at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (ER4LC)
yup yup.

Posted by: local news at February 20, 2017 07:06 PM (1isJI)

397 >>What's with the Loesch choker collar? Slut.

Who are you retards?

And where do you come from?

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:06 PM (p+Qx5)

398
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (tHwdc)
--------
Y'all better watch out for Miley! She's like Annie Oakley or Wyatt Earpette or something! Natural shooting skills! Bigly skills!

Posted by: Weasel at February 20, 2017 07:07 PM (Sfs6o)

399 What's with the Loesch choker collar? Slut.

This is why despite her (lately) often poor choices in positions, i find myself still liking her. She's hot, and smart.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:07 PM (39g3+)

400 Transcript: http://tinyurl.com/zabnufc

He's talking pederasty. If you're fine with that, well I don't know what to say. I'm not a fan of CPAC but in this case I can see why they told Milo goodbye. On the other hand, if someone wants to invite him to speak at Milo, I think they should be able to.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 20, 2017 07:07 PM (J70i0)

401 @383, Not Freud

Truth!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 20, 2017 07:07 PM (kP16F)

402 So, yeah. Not condoning what Milo said, but sorry guys. Tear apart Dunham's career first, then come back to me.

When they stop giving Polanski standing ovations, maybe.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 20, 2017 07:07 PM (oVJmc)

403
I seem to recall several Planned Parenthood officials laughing, joking and gossiping about altering abortion procedure to harvest specific baby parts for the greatest financial reward, all caught on video

Which they also claimed was edited and taken out of context.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 20, 2017 07:07 PM (IqV8l)

404 I'm angry, the forking Republican party did fork all to stop the march of men in female safe spaces but find his opinion on consentual adult sex offensive? Really what the fork? It's okay for men to take away my safe spaces but male on adult male boinking means pedophile?

Posted by: Rose at February 20, 2017 07:08 PM (HA8mN)

405 Lena Dunham admits to having sexually molested a child in her book, and this is laughed off and forgotten.
**************************

This is what I can't fucking stand, we're expected to play nice and somehow still win. Fuck that shit.

Posted by: John Nada at February 20, 2017 07:08 PM (W9dvU)

406 It would have been worse to let it out AFTER Bannon and other Trump hires appeared at CPAC with Milo.

Or don't you get that?

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (fi5nC)

=================

I was basically wondering "Why Now?" ... when it seems it likely would have been more devastating at a later, more strategic time.

So, yeah, that was kind of my point of confusion.

Posted by: ShainS at February 20, 2017 07:08 PM (mt8X9)

407 Oh, and I have a general statement about conservative "purity" tests. I can't pass 'em. I facilitated 2 abortions during the 70s, one for my own brother's girlfriend, and I can't regret that. God gave us free will and we all have to live with our decisions. Never had one myself, but I would have during that time, if necessary. Things were different then; I was different then.

I still can't get behind making abortion illegal, but I do think that states should determine this and not the Feds.

Regarding gays and the Christian standing on that - another brother of mine is gay, and Catholic. He's practically a lay priest. I don't know if he is actively pursuing a relationship now (I don't think so, and I don't ask), but he is one of the kindest, Godliest men I know. I would like him to have true love some day. I'm a big fan of true love.

He once told me that he wanted to find a man like my dear departed (the highest standard, IMHO). I told him that such a man would never be found in a bar. I think he took that to heart. I know he's left his sordid lifestyle behind him (and I'm not judging - I've left my sordid lifestyle behind me as well).

God is about redemption and forgiveness. Any true Christian out there should understand this.

So be careful about the casting of stones. Purity will never be achieved on this earth.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 20, 2017 07:08 PM (tHwdc)

408 The left will use absolutely anything to silence someone who does not march lockstep with them. Nothing really offends the left morally: only obedience at the polls matter. Many many on the left are sick fucks morally and ethically.

Milo will be used by the left against the right to further condemn and silence the right.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 20, 2017 07:08 PM (nQ10o)

409 <<The WSJ carried out an almost tactically identical hit on Pewdiepie (the
largest YouTuber in YouTube) last week, using selectively edited and
misleading characterizations to imply he was an anti-semite and a
racist. Despite being untrue, it cost him a TV show, his place on his
network, and his favored ad status. All in all, millions of dollars.>>

First thing I thought of when this story broke.

Posted by: SGT York at February 20, 2017 07:08 PM (ITvKk)

410 I forgot to say this earlier, but check out the image on Bing!

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 07:08 PM (GsAUU)

411 Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2017 07:04 PM (wmcUK)

Hey, Fritz, got your jackboots on? cause you sound like a little Nazi boy to me.

Posted by: Donna di deplorable ampersands&&&&and so there at February 20, 2017 07:08 PM (P8951)

412 But look it up: She was supposed to be ELEVEN when they had their "affair."

Posted by: ace

Not seeing the problem.

Posted by: Mohammed at February 20, 2017 07:08 PM (LAe3v)

413 Smell is one of the senses that the zombie apocalypse took away, otherwise nobody would want to be near another live human

Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2017 07:09 PM (HDU3V)

414 These people are cowards.

I don't care for Englishmen or homos, but Milo is my new hero.

Let Milo Speak!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 20, 2017 07:09 PM (5VlCp)

415 I'm happy to let Milo and his people be themselves because he's for letting me and my people be ourselves. The Left isn't. And that's why I'm with Milo, disagreements and all.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2017 07:03 PM

Agreed... and it's spreading big time amongst Milo's peeps.

Posted by: otho at February 20, 2017 07:10 PM (lmIoG)

416 He's talking pederasty. If you're fine with that, well I don't know what to say.

You need to read the transcript or actually listen to the video yourself. You're getting an edited retelling of the actual statements. And the retelling is not friendly.

Imagine you and buddies sitting around talking crap and saying outrageous stuff for fun. Imagine someone tapes it and then tells the world what you said, distorting it and saying it was serious.

Fair?

I don't care if CPAC invites or disinvites him. I don't care about CPAC period. I care about Ace's larger point that you apparently didn't bother reading about the mindless gang pile on to destroy someone without thinking or learning.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:10 PM (39g3+)

417 This is an obvious Wedge Issue attempt to divide Trump supporters on the Right and Conquer them.

This is what always happens: They find some crap to insist that we all have to be PURE about, and then force concession after concession until we have no supporters.

I'm not playing that game. Not this time.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2017 07:10 PM (L54EB)

418 Oh good gravy, another "crops rotting in the fields!!11!!1!" story on FNC, because of the raids.

Just stop!

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 07:11 PM (GsAUU)

419 Wow. A nood from the future appeared and then poof, it was gone.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 20, 2017 07:11 PM (ul9CR)

420 This is a prime time to call the left out on their hypocrisy and double standards suffering us to endure their parade of molesters, rapists and Harry Reids who may or may not be a pederast for years and years, but nope, the "right" continues to fold like the dickless pussyhatted cowardly fucks that they are.

And #ThatsWhyYouGotTrump

Posted by: John Nada at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (W9dvU)

421 >>Oh good gravy, another "crops rotting in the fields!!11!!1!" story on FNC, because of the raids.

I don't care.

Bring on the $10 Lettuce!

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (p+Qx5)

422 Another thing... I asked on twitter: If this video has been around for a year, why is it JUST NOW being revealed by a "Reagan Republican" website? Why wouldn't they have wanted to stop the evil-doer in his tracks as soon as possible?

Something stinks in suburbia.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 06:34 PM (SEXy3)

----------------------------

Yup. I wondered about this, too. How was this publicly available, yet under wraps for so long? Odd.

Posted by: holygoat at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (DbBV5)

423 This is an obvious Wedge Issue attempt to divide Trump supporters on the Right and Conquer them.

This is what always happens: They find some crap to insist that we
all have to be PURE about, and then force concession after concession
until we have no supporters.

That is probably their strategy. That doesn't mean I can't decide on my own what I choose to think or do about Milo. Don't let them call the tune.

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (LAe3v)

424 Which they also claimed was edited and taken out of context.

The difference being, the full unedited and in context video was made available and didn't help them in the slightest.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (39g3+)

425 You definitely need to read a whole transcript, Leftist cut and paste comments like its a scrapbook to be put together

Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (HDU3V)

426 The whole thing reeks of sensationalism from CPAC.

^^ This ^^

Other than PDT and VPMP who was going to get any attention. So invite Milo then sack him just to stir the pot.

Posted by: DaveA at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (8J/Te)

427 Except he didn't, he did it from the opposite side: young people preying on old, as it were. As a joke.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:05 PM (39g3+)

Read the transcript, he does. He bounces back and forth on the age of consent laws he's for it but you see some kids are just ready, you know. It's just so helpful to have those older homosexual men to guide those young boys along when they don't get support at home.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (J70i0)

428 BTW: NeverTrumpers, who are such "super hawks" have never explained to me how their ethics and lack of hypocrisy jives with America dropping two atomic bombs on Japan, or even the firebombing of Tokyo, in WWII.

For me it is easy, I will proudly support destroying my enemies in war, no matter how hypocritical it may look. Once the war is over, we can go back to easy life of honor and ethics.

So it is true with our America in the early 21st century. The left has dumped a lot of rules relating to ethics and honor, and we are under no obligation to follow them either. I am so sick of hearing the NeverTrump legion say we must not lower ourselves to that level.

We did in WWII, and we won. When we did not, we lose...like Operation Make the Islamic World Like Us.

Do you want to win and feel a little dirty and "bad", or lose and keep your phony honor and ethics intact as our nation is turned into a SJW paradise?

Posted by: William Eaton at February 20, 2017 07:13 PM (MuTTO)

429 Ace, if I can offer an opinion?

It seems likely that when sexual abuse occurs and is not violent, the youngster, like Milo, can't avoid arousal.

That deepened arousal increases psychological and intellectual age exponentially, probably more so in intelligent, self-aware people.

Where the psychological, physical and spiritual imbroglio begins and a schtick like Milo's ends is near impossible discover.

I admire your compassion and wait and see approach. It shows you to be a moral man.

Posted by: Lonely Scalp at February 20, 2017 07:13 PM (xbd+K)

430 This is what always happens: They find some crap to insist that we all have to be PURE about, and then force concession after concession until we have no supporters.

I'm not playing that game. Not this time.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2017 07:10 PM (L54EB)

This is Gleichschaltung. It's not just political opinions. It's culture. Music. Books. Newspapers, TV shows, you MUST like the product of the dominant culture. If not, you are an enemy of the People and must be expunged.

Any argument or debate over what Milo did or didn't say is besides the point. He doesn't play the game, therefore he must be un-personed. This is just the hook they're hanging their hats on out of convenience.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 20, 2017 07:14 PM (sK2fh)

431 Why now? Milo would have killed at CPAC, if he got there. See what he did on Maher's HBO show this past Friday. He was amazingly charming. Lefties on the panel blew up, reduced to telling Milo to "go fuck yourself." The lone conservative was breaking up laughing. Maher was in deep Bromance.

Give him a CPAC stage he would have been a big voice for Free Speech.

Now he's radioactive in some quarters but his career will go on, but he's been reduced in his dangerousness to the Left, because he can't go mainstream,

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2017 07:14 PM (bQxkN)

432 Short take on Milo:

Quite intelligent. Natural contrarian. Seems psychologically traumatized/unstable. Exhibit A: look at the body language in his interview with Bill Maher.

He has a certain intellectual fearlessness. He could break through the instability, or he could go completely around the bend like David Brock.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 20, 2017 07:14 PM (hA1V+)

433 >>But look it up: She was supposed to be ELEVEN when they had their "affair."

Wow, that's young.

Posted by: Jerry Lee Lewis at February 20, 2017 07:14 PM (/tuJf)

434 I've been sick of this since Akin, the pile on was huge there and still he's hated on by people here who don't even give a crap what he actually said or whether it was valid or not. It was just a rush to be on the 'right side' of things and be able to show your glowing virtue to the public. See, I'm not like them.

Its got to stop. People need to step back and think, learn, study, and find out what is going on instead of leaping to be the first in line to throw that stone.

Remember Jesus' lesson? He didn't say the girl wasn't guilty. He said everyone is guilty. He told her to stop doing it. But he told them to stop the mob attack as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:14 PM (39g3+)

435 "we're expected to play nice and somehow still win"

Mmmm, yeah, right. Never understood that, no matter how many times Our Self Appointed Betters told me.

IRL, the aggressor sets the ROE. Any other viewpoint is pre-accepting defeat. Which, to be fair, describes the GOPE wing of the Uniparty to a T.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 20, 2017 07:14 PM (Oeb2k)

436 The nood is a lie!

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2017 07:14 PM (3Vlkn)

437 It is the Age of Maximally-Hostile Interpretation, and if you allow mobs to drive people out of public life, their jobs, because of hostile interpretations (Brendan Eich, PewDiePie, Milo), then *you* will be ruled by whoever inflames the mob.

Here's a hint - the people who inflame the mob will be vicious, amoral control freaks.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2017 07:15 PM (wB8Tg)

438 I am so sick of hearing the NeverTrump legion say we must not lower ourselves to that level.
******************************

Exactly, we fight to win, and if that means fighting dirty, who cares. Losing honorably means we all wind up in re-education camps run by Muslims.

Posted by: John Nada at February 20, 2017 07:15 PM (W9dvU)

439 I remember in jr high (about 12) two friends leaving school to get married. One went to Mexico and the other to Tennessee. This would have been mid-60s approx. Don't recall anything but a vague disapproval from adults because they 'had' to get married.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 20, 2017 07:16 PM (MIKMs)

440 Not here to defend Milo, since I have two young sons, but I hope Lena Dunham, who admitted grooming and seducing her juvenile sister, will be treated equally.

Milo after all did out three actual pedophiles, and I'm sure thousands of gays have been in a position to do the same, and have not.

Posted by: Jeremy Abrams at February 20, 2017 07:16 PM (Pu0xs)

441 It's just so helpful to have those older homosexual men to guide those young boys along when they don't get support at home.

In the context of being the young man who was looking for sex. As in: not being a predator himself, but being someone looking for it.

See the distinction here? I'm not defending it, I'm simply pointing out that he was not arguing for pederasty as some have claimed or tried to argue.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:16 PM (39g3+)

442 Wait, I thought Bob was a guy with no arms or legs floating in a pool.

****

Don't overthink it!!!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 07:17 PM (SEXy3)

443 I'm fetching the ten-foot-pole, with which I will not be touching this one.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2017 07:17 PM (0mRoj)

444 336 >>I can remember 15-year-old Brook Shields doing jeans ads with sexual innuendo and the MSM telling objectors to get over themselves.

After a 14 year old Brooke Shields starred in Blue Lagoon.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 06:56 PM (p+Qx5)

++++

After a 12 year old Brooke Shields starred in Pretty Baby, as a child prostitute.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 20, 2017 07:17 PM (R+30W)

445 >>>Hey, Fritz, got your jackboots on? cause you sound like a little Nazi boy to me.

Posted by: Donna<<<

Donna, chill. This guy is talking about a subject matter that is taboo according to the laws of God and man. I don't know the dude, don't know the context, don't care about the overreaction of his critics and don't support him or his critics.

He is bringing this down upon himself, so he doesn't deserve victim status or sympathy. Sounds to me like Milo needs real help.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2017 07:17 PM (wmcUK)

446 >>That is probably their strategy. That doesn't mean I can't decide on my
own what I choose to think or do about Milo. Don't let them call the
tune.

Ah, but what they are doing is attempting to remove your opportunity to decide - by suspending his twitter account, protests shutting down his speeches, getting his book cancelled, trying (but failing) to pressure Maher to not have him on his show, and the CPAC.

This is a banning of sorts, convincing the marketplace that they will be punished should they support the wrong sort of person.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 07:18 PM (NOIQH)

447 421 >>Oh good gravy, another "crops rotting in the fields!!11!!1!" story on FNC, because of the raids.

I don't care.

Bring on the $10 Lettuce!
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (p+Qx5)

--Those people can be snobs, but I'm becoming more and more a fan of the localvore concept. Small local farmers do not use illegal or low-skilled labor for their products, and most of the big operations that do also use pesticides on certain produce like strawberries that absorb the chemicals so they can't just be washed off.

I'm fine with the price of crops rising if it means less crime, lass strain on infrastructure, and fewer gibzmedats breeding.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2017 07:18 PM (GsAUU)

448 So it never occurred to Milo that he was groomed as a 14yr old? Seems he's rationalizing his current lifestyle.

Or he has an almost predatory personality that was able to take a priest down a pedophilic path?

Which is it?

This is a problem and was always going to be a problem with Milo as a conservative icon. He says the "gay world" views pederasty differently. Of course it does. It has to to excuse it's behavior and the very well known connection homosexuality has with Nambla.

Posted by: The Media Suxs at February 20, 2017 07:18 PM (7Txj/)

449 I am sure that Breitbart will dump him, which would never have happened with Andrew alive. The place ain't what it used to be, and that's a fact.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:18 PM (39g3+)

450 Milo dig his own grave. Free speech is not always smart speech, is it? Government cannot censor him, that is constitutional. But CPAC, etc., can refuse to have him speak.

If you want to be Libertarian about it, ok, but without the morals that say "this is not ok" then everything becomes ok. And anarchy ensues.

That's just a fact, and our founders knew it.

Milo ruined his career. He and he alone.

Posted by: James M Yerian at February 20, 2017 07:18 PM (PjdRu)

451 >>Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 20, 2017 07:17 PM (R+30W)

She really should have said yes when I asked her out.

I think we would have been good for eachother.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:18 PM (p+Qx5)

452
Oh good gravy, another "crops rotting in the fields!!11!!1!" story on FNC, because of the raids.

Seasonal farm labor is excluded from immigration laws isn't it?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 20, 2017 07:19 PM (lKyWE)

453 Good by!

Posted by: R. DUKE at February 20, 2017 07:19 PM (ONH2e)

454 Read the transcript, he does. He bounces back and forth on the age of consent laws he's for it but you see some kids are just ready, you know. It's just so helpful to have those older homosexual men to guide those young boys along when they don't get support at home.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 20, 2017 07:12 PM (J70i0

He is rationalizing not being a victim of child sexual abuse. Guy needs help. He shouldn't be seeking therapy via a public forum. Because saying dumb shit like that will ultimately happen.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (FKHWN)

455 @448: "So it never occurred to Milo that he was groomed as a 14yr old? Seems he's rationalizing his current lifestyle."

Did it ever occur to you that he wasn't groomed per se, but was a willing participant like many other young teenagers, male and female alike?

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (3Vlkn)

456 Posted by: Lonely Scalp at February 20, 2017 07:13 PM (xbd+K)

Exactly correct - the experience of being goomed for abuse caused changes in your hormones and amines (dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin to name a few) Your delusion of the abuse being a good thing was reinforced by your own chemistry

Posted by: Not Freud at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (mtGE/)

457 Real nood.

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (qUNWi)

458 446
>>That is probably their strategy. That doesn't mean I can't decide on my
own what I choose to think or do about Milo. Don't let them call the

tune.
Ah, but what they are doing is attempting to remove
your opportunity to decide - by suspending his twitter account,
protests shutting down his speeches, getting his book cancelled, trying
(but failing) to pressure Maher to not have him on his show, and the
CPAC.

This is a banning of sorts, convincing the marketplace that they will be punished should they support the wrong sort of person.

No doubt. But if they say "x" and you then automatically say "y", then you're being controlled every bit as much as if they say "x" and you say "x it is".

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (LAe3v)

459 'Has Justine landed?" That is the all of it and to me now that is all there can be. Just as every hate crime is a hoax, every shame mob, to me, is just chasing Justine. And I thank Ace for keeping her name alive.

Posted by: jocon307 at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (/hogv)

460 After a 12 year old Brooke Shields starred in Pretty Baby, as a child prostitute.

Stark naked, no less. And even younger than that, in a photo "essay" by an acclaimed photographer, totally nude and made up to appear more adult. She had a very weird childhood but was sexualized her whole young life. The 70s had a lot of that going on, finally there was pushback in the 80s and it was put to a stop but culture was headed to a very dark place.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (39g3+)

461 Keith Ellison belonged to a group that taught that white people were created by an evil scientist. Geitner & Sharpton - tax cheats. Jackson - "hiemytown." Byrd - "white n****." Fauxcahauntus - stole a job from an Indian. DWS - Stole an election from Bernie. Berkeley mob - rioted & shut down free speech. Chick who organized Women's March - Advocates sharia. Silverman - jokes about pedophillia

That's just off the top of my head. None of them got attacked by the hair-trigger lefty outrage mob.

But within literally a number of minutes, the conservative Twittersphere was believing the worst about Milo, retweeting it and passing sentence.

Posted by: 29Victor at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (GA8+N)

462 Sexual perversion is called perversion for a reason. Very few things can affect a person , particularly a young male person than a warping ,stunting or twisting of his sexual drive and identity. At any age.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (tz0ev)

463 Sometimes there isn't a lot of difference between 14 year old hookers and 14 year old drug dealers.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (gR5Vc)

464
I'm fetching the ten-foot-pole, with which I will not be touching this one.
Posted by: Insomniac

You talkin' about me?

Posted by: Stretch Zawadzki at February 20, 2017 07:21 PM (IqV8l)

465 >>>
It seems likely that when sexual abuse occurs and is not violent, the youngster, like Milo, can't avoid arousal.

i take milo at his original word that he was not a "victim" (and I excuse him now claiming he was because when the world is after you, you gotta defend yourself).

So I don't think he was damaged by the event. I take his original account as true.

Look, when I was 14, i wanted to get laid. badly. If it had been with an older woman (and sometimes, in my fantasies, it was), I would have jumped on that.

Would it have psychologcially damaged me? Maybe. A lot of guys on the site used to joke "Wish that was me" when female-teacher-seduces-underage-male-student stories would come up.

But then moms of underage boys would object to that.

We had different frames of reference. The more juvenile males here were seeing their adult selves in that kid's body, and the moms were seeing their own kids being abused.

Obviously, your take there will depend on what you project of yourself into that situation.

Those stories got a little contentious and I flat-out stopped putting them up because I didn't want to disturb the chill of the blog.

anyway, sex is a little more complicated than most people are willing to admit in any kind of argument or policy discussion.

I never had sex with an underage person and as an underage person never had sex with an adult. I have no actual experience in this area, and I can't say for certain that *all* kids are damaged when this happens, or if 90% are, or 80%, or what. I don't know.

i wouldn't necessarily shout down milo though just because he's offering his experience that in his one case, he wasn't.

(And he might have been -- he just might not know it. The stuff that effects us the most profoundly, hell, we might not even be aware of how deeply it effected us.)

but who knows? It's a thing that happened to him. i wasn't there. I don't know him.

I have no real basis to form any kind of opinion on this.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:21 PM (8rNrN)

466 The only way to respond, if you get caught in a Fainting Couch Cow(SJW) online mob attack, is this:
"I am not taking any charge against me seriously that comes from lying treasonous pinkos, or their corrupt globalist brethren. Go...fuck...yourself...to...death"

Any other response plays into their hands.

BTW, let's stop calling them SJW's which is a lie on all three counts.

They are Fainting Couch Cows

Posted by: Grad School Fool at February 20, 2017 07:21 PM (swEzU)

467 They got us to talk about fucking children..... that right there means we lost this particular battle.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 20, 2017 07:21 PM (br2jI)

468 If you want to be Libertarian about it, ok, but without the morals that say "this is not ok" then everything becomes ok. And anarchy ensues.
***************

Oh for fuck's sake.

Posted by: John Nada at February 20, 2017 07:21 PM (W9dvU)

469 #IStandWithMilo

Posted by: Paul A'Barge at February 20, 2017 07:21 PM (1M/iC)

470 437
It is the Age of Maximally-Hostile Interpretation, and if you allow mobs
to drive people out of public life, their jobs, because of hostile
interpretations (Brendan Eich, PewDiePie, Milo), then *you* will be
ruled by whoever inflames the mob.

Here's a hint - the people who inflame the mob will be vicious, amoral control freaks.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2017 07:15 PM (wB8Tg)

That's where we are.

Posted by: local news at February 20, 2017 07:22 PM (1isJI)

471 In the context of being the young man who was looking for sex. As in: not being a predator himself, but being someone looking for it.

See the distinction here? I'm not defending it, I'm simply pointing out that he was not arguing for pederasty as some have claimed or tried to argue.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:16 PM (39g3+)

You don't seem to realize that's how homosexuals couch their predations on young boys. They're helping them see. They aren't recruiting fresh meat. Those boys are confused and need an older man to help them. Pedo's act the same way.

Conservative's growing defense of homosexuality and it's perversions is fascinating to watch.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 20, 2017 07:22 PM (J70i0)

472 Well, I've decided. At least until something more serious than this hodge-podge comes in; and particularly in light of the fact that he outed three pedos. I'm on Team Milo.

Posted by: Alana at February 20, 2017 07:22 PM (XZS4L)

473 Will Bill Maher defend Milo?

Posted by: Magnolia at February 20, 2017 07:22 PM (lq/GS)

474 >>>
If you want to be Libertarian about it, ok, but without the morals that say "this is not ok" then everything becomes ok. And anarchy ensues.

yeah, not really lookin' to live under your Because I Said So rules any more than I'm lookin' to live under the left's.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:22 PM (8rNrN)

475 Wait, Milo is gay? I thought he was just festive, like Paul Lynde.

Posted by: josephistan at February 20, 2017 07:23 PM (ANIFC)

476 Remember Rush Limbaugh and the Oxycontin #WarOfHate?

I stood with Rush Limbaugh. Now @IStandWithMilo

If you don't stand with your allies, you have no allies. And you are a danger to your fellow travelers.

Posted by: Paul A'Barge at February 20, 2017 07:23 PM (1M/iC)

477 >>>
You don't seem to realize that's how homosexuals couch their predations on young boys. They're helping them see. They aren't recruiting fresh meat. Those boys are confused and need an older man to help them. Pedo's act the same way.

could be correct. what does that have to do with the 14 year old who was successfully groomed?

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:23 PM (8rNrN)

478 " I don't know the dude, don't know the context"

So you don't know what you're talking about then.

Glad you cleared that up.

Posted by: Donna di deplorable ampersands&&&&and so there at February 20, 2017 07:23 PM (P8951)

479 >> #IStandWithMilo

Pro Tip : Stand to one side, or the other. Just, not in front of him.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:24 PM (p+Qx5)

480 392 a bizarre bit of Trivia: In Raiders of the Lost Ark, remember when Marion says "I was too young. It was wrong and you knew it?"

And Indy says, "You were old enough to know what you were doing"?

You know how old she was supposed to be when Indy seduced her?

According to the original script conference when they were tossing out ideas, Indy was supposed to be a real rogue. And to prove he was a rogue, they were going to tell you how old Marion was when Indy devirginized her:

She was eleven.

I think their idea was to provide some historical grounding for the film -- the age of consent and marriage were younger in the 30s.

They, um... didn't include that detail in the actual movie, and left it vague.

But look it up: She was supposed to be ELEVEN when they had their "affair."

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:05 PM (8rNrN)

Yeah there's discussions between Lucas and Spielberg that they wanted her young, and it was meant to give Indy this darker vibe or something. I forget the descriptive reasoning of it. But reading about that always seemed bizarre, because that's like one of those things which would make a character you want the audience to like completely unlikeable.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 07:24 PM (z/Ubi)

481 This is an obvious Wedge Issue attempt to divide Trump supporters on the Right and Conquer them.

This is what always happens: They find some crap to insist that we
all have to be PURE about, and then force concession after concession
until we have no supporters.

I'm not playing that game. Not this time.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2017 07:10 PM (L54EB)

I think you are right. Someone, or someones have an issue with someone goring their ox, engineer, wait for or provoke a comment that can be used as a pretext for throwing him off a media platform in a messy and horrible way including a witch hunt to give it a moral basis, and then when it is done silkily say to the witnesses, "pray it does not happen to you, too"

And the last part is essential. Not, I will hurt you for saying this, not, this is against our code, but saying "I have the power for destroying you for what I consider badthought at the moment"

Pisses me off because it is not so much political or economic, as "you said bad things about me/my friends and demeaned me"

crap, welcome to my world buttercup.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 20, 2017 07:25 PM (XMCn6)

482 I think a lot of people are missing the point:

Milo is being punished based on a DISTORTION of what he said. To excuse this to legitimize what the left has been doing to Trump and every American to the right of Stalin. I don't agree with Milo on a lot of things and find him too flamboyant in his homosexuality, but I'm not going to validate what the left and cowardly fuckweenie establishment conservatives like the shitstains at CPAC's efforts to destroy him.

Posted by: John Nada at February 20, 2017 07:25 PM (W9dvU)

483 Festive. hah.

I remember when the neighbor's son was only 'Theatrical'.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:25 PM (p+Qx5)

484 when i was 14, a friend told me he had walked by the house of an attractive classmate (15 years old) and she had taken off her bathrobe right in front of the window and he'd seen everything.

I walked by that house like 2-4 times per night for like a year hoping to catch a repeat performance of the same glorious moment.

(Didn't happen, of course. I began to suspect my friend was lying.)

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:25 PM (8rNrN)

485 317 You should've seen me. It was like the Special Olympics or something.
Posted by: Guess who at February 20, 2017 06:52 PM (/f1mm)

That would have been funny if the host deadpanned back,
"Yeah, we know"

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2017 07:25 PM (P/kVC)

486 See the distinction here? I'm not defending it, I'm simply pointing out that he was not arguing for pederasty as some have claimed or tried to argue.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 07:16 PM (39g3+)

The Age of Maximally-Hostile Interpretation. Because someone is The Other, you are allowed to "reframe" what they said into what you think the Dreaded Other would say, like illegal immigrants becomes immigrants, or problems in Sweden becomes a specific terror attack in Sweden, or "think about illegals when you vote" becomes "illegals should vote," to take an example from the other side (seriously, look at the transcripts).

People, on average, are *desperate* for a "clean win," and a clean win means your opponent is not just wrong, they are evil.

*Mostly* this has been a leftist problem because they have the academic and media and entertainment support system to back up their hostile interpretations. But it's a human problem, ultimately.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2017 07:25 PM (wB8Tg)

487 Expect this to become the new normal. This will be done to Every. Single. Conservative.

They've already #NationalDivorce'd The Matrix.

Posted by: DaveA at February 20, 2017 07:26 PM (8J/Te)

488 And Lena Dunham admits to moldering her sister(puke) in her book and she gets rave reviews

Come on man, he explained what he said and you know it was taken out of context

This is not winning, this is how we lose, again, again, again

Posted by: Gonzotx at February 20, 2017 07:26 PM (s587h)

489 Twinks (young but legal) with older men are staples in the gay community. It's called "grooming."
Despite what Hollywood tells you --where EVERY show on the TV has at least ONE gay character, gays actually make up a very small percentage of society. So, the gay teen at the local high school doesn't have a big pool to choice from for his sexual experimentation like his heterosexual peers do. This leads this young boys (perhaps not of the legal consent age, but POST-PUBERTY, so it's not pedophilia) to seek that out elsewhere, and often that leads them to older men.
That is what Milo is talking about when you listen to the full 3 hour, unedited tape. And having grown up in a city with a large gay population, it's true.
What Milo expounds on is that the age of consent is arbitrary -- why is it OK at 17 but not ok at 16? (In other places, 16 is OK, not 15).
Anyway, I agree with him that the age of consent is arbitrary --I've seen plenty of "unequal" relationships between 2 teens to know that just reaching the age of consent doesn't make one magically able to consent to things they were unable to the day before. Nonetheless, IMO, the line does have to be drawn somewhere.
But the younger post-pubescent boys with older men is a real thing in the gay community that the left in their fury to normalize it simply ignores. Milo made the mistake of talking about it openly. But he does not, in any kind of way, "advocate *for* pedophilia." That's a deliberately dishonest characterization of what he's says.
Also, the fact that he started his sexual experiences at 13 -- and insists he wasn't a "victim" -- has obviously covered his thoughts on this. Many who start sexual conduct young rationalize that they were not "taken advantage of" etc. That isn't a little thing that should be dismissed when weighing what he says.
And he does make clear that he thinks it is SOME who may be able to consent earlier than the statutory age of consent -- he concedes that for most, the age of consent is probably right.
Whatever -- like I said, his main sin here was not being #NeverTrump and exposing a common practice in the gay community.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at February 20, 2017 07:26 PM (+51lA)

490 >If you don't stand with your allies, you have no allies. And you are a danger to your fellow travelers.

this

Posted by: Grad School Fool at February 20, 2017 07:26 PM (swEzU)

491 Last word- Milo isn't someone we should jettison because of unfounded bullshit. If he was a straight-up Family Man, hit with these allegations by the same "sources", what would the first reaction be?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 20, 2017 07:27 PM (br2jI)

492 299 The WSJ carried out an almost tactically identical hit on Pewdiepie (the largest YouTuber in YouTube) last week, using selectively edited and misleading characterizations to imply he was an anti-semite and a racist. Despite being untrue, it cost him a TV show, his place on his network, and his favored ad status. All in all, millions of dollars.

Posted by: Arrow at February 20, 2017 06:50 PM (ZaLKP)

=============================

Not a lawyer ... are these intentional, out-of-context, edited "news" libels that damage individuals financially and -- more importantly -- their reputations -- allowed?

Or is there some kind of criminal and/or civil suit recompense that can be pursued by the victim?

Posted by: ShainS at February 20, 2017 07:27 PM (mt8X9)

493 It depends on which dictionary you check. Some, as you say, just say attraction to children. Others, specify prepubescent children.

sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object; specifically : a psychological disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedophilia

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (R+30W)
---
Good. So conservatives within CPAC are Merriam Webster-definition-of-pedophilia denier and need to be silenced!!

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 07:27 PM (2mC6G)

494 A 12-15 year old me would have gladly fucked any woman that would have let me fuck her.

The notion that it would have had a negative effect on me is downright laughable.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:28 PM (p+Qx5)

495 @418 Oh good gravy, another "crops rotting in the fields!!11!!1!" story on FNC, because of the raids.

--------------------

There's a very easy solution to this, and it's one that we really ought to be suggesting at every opportunity - more H2 visas.

If American citizens really won't do agricultural work no matter how large of a paycheck is offered, then the obvious solution is to offer more H2 visas. And if anyone complains to you that it will increase the cost of your produce, just point out that *not* pushing for increased H2 visas means taking advantage of foreigners via sub-legal wages.

Posted by: junior at February 20, 2017 07:28 PM (nsZ+m)

496 i don't really think milo is my ally, necessarily, but I will not bless this tactic.

and "conservatives" who gladly join in have no right to criticize the Social Justice Warriors they pretend to hate. They just disagree on what the target list should be, not the rules of engagement.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:28 PM (8rNrN)

497 He is rationalizing not being a victim of child sexual abuse. Guy needs help. He shouldn't be seeking therapy via a public forum. Because saying dumb shit like that will ultimately happen.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 20, 2017 07:20 PM (FKHWN)

I agree. I'm not hating the guy. I feel sorry for him and it was obvious even before this that he is a mess. I've never understood the love for him beyond he drives the Left insane.

I'm not even shocked by what he said because that is what homosexual men believe, in general.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 20, 2017 07:28 PM (J70i0)

498 Those stories got a little contentious and I flat-out stopped putting them up because I didn't want to disturb the chill of the blog.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:21 PM (8rNrN)

Man, you know, some days it doesn't seem like that... and then I read the comments in other places.

Damn, off this rock, please, someone, give me a chance.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2017 07:28 PM (wB8Tg)

499 I find Milo's stance on this repulsive, and have no issue with CPAC disinviting him. They're an advocacy group, not a public platform open to all.

What gets me about all this is that Milo's comments are in line with positions staked out by many 'pink' left activists advocating breaking down traditional standards on sexuality and age of consent- where has the outrage been then? That the left jumps whole hog onto this now is pretty richly ironic.

Posted by: Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx at February 20, 2017 07:29 PM (Oq6zc)

500 I have never read anything by him or listened to him, but I also refuse to defenestrate him at the behest of the Left or cowards that cringe before them. They have no standing whatsoever either to judge or demand I judge.

When those on the other side start paying a price for their transgressions and when they apply a consistent set of principles to those in their ranks, maybe I'll think about it.

Until then, it's war.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at February 20, 2017 07:30 PM (J8/9G)

501 @452 Seasonal farm labor is excluded from immigration laws isn't it?
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There's a visa - the H2 - that covers temporary agricultural workers.

Posted by: junior at February 20, 2017 07:30 PM (nsZ+m)

502 This means we can impeach Trump now, yes?

Posted by: The Media at February 20, 2017 07:30 PM (hA1V+)

503 Dead thread probably but I want to add one thing more.

Milo is a weapon. He is a fighter against the SJW front of this culture and civil cold war.

This is Rules for Radicals all over again. They're freezing, polarizing and destroying Milo.

I'm not pro-gay. I was called homophobic before it was hip and edgy. Milo is a glory hound. He is a drama queen. But he is on our size.

One more thing. Teenagers have sex. Some of you may have forgotten that or may want to. Some of the people they have sex with aren't always teenagers. This is nothing new. Mentally, sure, teens aren't ready for relationships and their sexuality can be molded and messed with. But biologically, once your cock starts getting hard, you're ready and usually willing and able to get it on.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 20, 2017 07:30 PM (xJa6I)

504 > I also refuse to defenestrate him at the behest of the Left or cowards that cringe before them. They have no standing whatsoever either to judge or demand I judge.

When those on the other side start paying a price for their
transgressions and when they apply a consistent set of principles to
those in their ranks, maybe I'll think about it.

Until then, it's war.

...
cut paste, cut paste

this is the goddamned point

Posted by: Grad School Fool at February 20, 2017 07:31 PM (swEzU)

505 Matt Fucking Schlapp===head of CPAC and Milo disinviter....

Matt and his butt boy Erick Erickson seemed to be relieved that Donald Trump did not visit their esteemd gatherings last year.

P*ussies.

Posted by: 'Cold Civil War'. That seems apt. at February 20, 2017 07:31 PM (oBuXO)

506 "crops rotting in the fields"....

well... WHOSE crops are they? They ain't my crops. i don't own those fields. Ain't my business.

As if these mystical "Crops" were some Rousseauean public good, like a bridge or Kate Upton, the loss of which damages all Americans equally.

Screw that. Some jackass farmer tried to cut corners by hiring illegals? (or, more charitably, some poor farmer had no choice but to cut corners or lose the farm)... Ain't my bitch.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 20, 2017 07:31 PM (sK2fh)

507 >>>494 A 12-15 year old me would have gladly fucked any woman that would have let me fuck her.

The notion that it would have had a negative effect on me is downright laughable.

...

you don't know that. You could have fallen in love -- high chance of that, given the power imbalance, and how she was giving you EVERYTHING your young self dreamed of -- and to this day your entire personality could be distorted by that.

i don't know about anyone else, but a LOT of my subsequent sexual/romantic history was a weird chasing-the-dragon kind of thing trying to re-live my first couple of sexual encounters.

I think this is what causes abused girls to keep going after older/plainly unsuitable men, or what leads to the claimed "cycle of sexual abuse" thing where an abuse victim, now an adult, abuses a child.

because that first one (or the first few) are very, very formative and really imprint on someone.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:31 PM (8rNrN)

508 meanwhile, the left will rally around a real pedophile like roman polanski... pathetic.

Posted by: jpfoursc at February 20, 2017 07:32 PM (5YYYL)

509 >>>Glad you cleared that up.

Posted by: Donna<<<

And so what I said was so offensive, it makes me a jackbooted Nazi oppressor?

Yeah, that's clear.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2017 07:32 PM (wmcUK)

510 When those on the other side start paying a price for their

transgressions and when they apply a consistent set of principles to
those in their ranks, maybe I'll think about it.

Until then, it's war.
===

Yep.

We can moralize after our enemies are crushed to dust.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 20, 2017 07:33 PM (tz0ev)

511 I believe it speaks volumes about our society when boys who grow up and open up about being sexually abused as children are completely shunned and punished again as adults. This happens all the time.

If you are a father you definateky know this rule (do not open up about being sexually abused as a child!).

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 20, 2017 07:33 PM (FKHWN)

512 Yeah there's discussions between Lucas and Spielberg that they wanted her young, and it was meant to give Indy this darker vibe or something. I forget the descriptive reasoning of it. But reading about that always seemed bizarre, because that's like one of those things which would make a character you want the audience to like completely unlikeable.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 07:24 PM (z/Ubi)

Every so often a writer does something really nasty (out of character) to a character who doesn't deserve it, for whatever reason. I think this is one of those cases. While Indy was a bit of a rake, nothing else about him indicated this.

It may also be connected to Hollywood's attitude about sex and children, which is notoriously distorted.

I'm just glad *someone* yanked the leash in this case... on the other hand, we would never have had Indy 4....

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2017 07:33 PM (wB8Tg)

513 This is a hit job, pure and simple.

Milo has my support (fwiw).

The Left and GOPe are not going after him because of his "support of pedophilia". They're going after him because he's a dangerous voice, that resonates with many groups.

As Breitbart said so pithily: Fuck you - war!

Posted by: browndog at February 20, 2017 07:33 PM (bGMOs)

514 Hi Mr. hobo not sure what Mr. G is up to

my *guess* is that whole group ended up on twitter, but I'm not a twitter

it's hard to see some of them like Mr. sdferr especially making that kinda transition

it was a special group

Posted by: happyfeet at February 20, 2017 07:34 PM (mLfQi)

515 104 Posted by: Undocumented at February 20, 2017 06:05 PM

Every single gay man I've ever met, thus far. Oh and I live in the Bay Area, so I've met my share.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 20, 2017 06:12 PM (S2VsH)

Same here. Every gay man I've had the "how did you decide you were gay" discussion with has told me their first encounter was as a child or underage teen. Sometimes it was consensual with a peer while other times they were molested by someone older.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT at February 20, 2017 07:34 PM (nvMvs)

516 >>you don't know that.

Yes, I do. Because I am me.

I know damned well I needed to get my dick bent so I could go back to being able to focus on anything else.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:34 PM (p+Qx5)

517 I think it's easy for an older, almost-29-year-old man like myself to project backwards into the past and claim that if an older woman seduced me, I would have been all hit-it-and-quit-it and wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am, but the older me is more cynical and knowing, and the younger me fell in love at the drop of a hat (and stayed in love for years).

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:34 PM (8rNrN)

518 garrett, you probably would be wearing a gimp suit

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:36 PM (8rNrN)

519 "Did it ever occur to you that he wasn't groomed per se, but was a willing participant like many other young teenagers, male and female alike?"

So you are saying that it's ok for a 14yr old to prey on an adult man and make him eligible for prison for pederasty?

Sheesh. He was groomed. It's revisionist history now. He'll never know whether he would have taken the normal path without the deviation by the deviant priest.

Or he's got a predatory personality problem himself.

Posted by: The Media Suxs at February 20, 2017 07:36 PM (7Txj/)

520 She was supposed to be ELEVEN when they had their "affair."

An experienced harlot then.

Posted by: The Mo Show at February 20, 2017 07:36 PM (8J/Te)

521 Pretty clear cut in my eyes. Either you're with those who believe they have the right to use their righteous judgement to destroy someone's life, or you're not. Milo is one of the main figures against the political correctness advocates in our society especially among those who are younger. He's had an impact winning over a large number of college age kids. You can admit defeat to the power of political correctness or you can do what we've been doing for the past year and collectively tell these people "fuck you"

Posted by: connor at February 20, 2017 07:37 PM (PmQiG)

522 >>the younger me fell in love at the drop of a hat (and stayed in love for years).

I'm still that way.

I can fall in love in a heartbeat, and do.

And I will forever remember it. Each and every time.

However, I also would have appreciated somebody learning me that the majority of women will use their sexuality as a tool to achieve whatever capricious objective that pops into their heads. Without guilt and without hesitation.

That lesson would have been more valuable then the antiquated notions I was raised to believe and to seek.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:39 PM (p+Qx5)

523 484 when i was 14, a friend told me he had walked by the house of an attractive classmate (15 years old) and she had taken off her bathrobe right in front of the window and he'd seen everything.

I walked by that house like 2-4 times per night for like a year hoping to catch a repeat performance of the same glorious moment.

(Didn't happen, of course. I began to suspect my friend was lying.)

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:25 PM (8rNrN)

++++

Or maybe the young lady... how to put this... was selective about who she flashed.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 20, 2017 07:40 PM (R+30W)

524 Hahaha

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:40 PM (p+Qx5)

525 Face it : most of you males resent Milo's good looks. That's why they went after Dan Quayle, that's why others went after Sarah Palin.

Jealousy.

And his hair was "lemon yellow" only briefly.

He's rather sweet and boyish. Sorry. And I'm female.

Posted by: Ashley Juddhead at February 20, 2017 07:41 PM (SJ184)

526 I've said it before, and I'll say it again-

It al depends on what the definition of 'we' is.

Posted by: Muldoon at February 20, 2017 07:42 PM (wPiJc)

527 I call bullshit to all the men claiming that if an older women wanted to Fuck you as a 12-16 year old that you. Would not suffer any negative psychological effects. bullshit. you would suffer negative psychological effects being sexual with a girl your age because the emotions involved.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 20, 2017 07:42 PM (FKHWN)

528 >>I call bullshit to all the men claiming that if an older women wanted to Fuck you as a 12-16 year old that you. Would not suffer any negative psychological effects. bullshit. you would suffer negative psychological effects being sexual with a girl your age because the emotions involved.

Perhaps it's because you were a late bloomer. Or, gay?

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:43 PM (p+Qx5)

529 Get this : Milo gives a PERFORMANCE. Could it be that he's not even gay?

Could be.

Posted by: Ashley Juddhead at February 20, 2017 07:43 PM (SJ184)

530 Did the people howling for Milo's head do the same for Roman Polanski?

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at February 20, 2017 07:45 PM (adsVM)

531 I am very, very strongly reminded of a post I got linked to by John C Wright, during the Vox Day torchhunt a few years back.

http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/06/the-evil-league-of-evil-is-given-pious-advice/

Pretty much, if we are to be burned at the stake for demanding that these things be put to an honest test, then bring on the torches. I honestly don't know Milo Yiannapolis, and have not reviewed his taps, but if calling for level heads before torches gets me metaphorically burned at the stake, so be it.

Lynch mobs must not be tolerated, and this? This is a lynch mob on the hunt.

Posted by: Voyager at February 20, 2017 07:45 PM (9syeX)

532 First I heard of Milo was pre-Gamergate, I think, or around then. I read a game review of his on Breitbart and thought to myself - "This dude is basically an unreconstructed leftist." Nothing that has happened since has changed my mind. I don't know if its for real or for show, but I'd watch out getting too invested.

That having been said, he has the right to free speech, and CPAC has the right of free association.

An interesting test would be to see if they would let him buy a table in the exhibition hall.

Posted by: Not Milo at February 20, 2017 07:45 PM (Bc3Xm)

533
500 I have never read anything by him or listened to him, but I also refuse to defenestrate him at the behest of the Left or cowards that cringe before them. They have no standing whatsoever either to judge or demand I judge.

When those on the other side start paying a price for their transgressions and when they apply a consistent set of principles to those in their ranks, maybe I'll think about it.

Until then, it's war.
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at February 20, 2017 07:30 PM (J8/9G)

THIS.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 20, 2017 07:45 PM (nQ10o)

534 I was 14, working after school making wiring harnesses in a little factory. She was 24. She reached out. We got busy.

She's 79 now if she's still alive. Hi Nga (Blossom), here's looking at you!

That said, I'm on my fourth marriage. Whether she increased my broken Martian status, I couldn't say. But I am a broken Martian.

Posted by: this one time at band camp at February 20, 2017 07:45 PM (y+GEM)

535 What gets me about all this is that Milo's comments are in line with positions staked out by many 'pink' left activists advocating breaking down traditional standards on sexuality and age of consent- where has the outrage been then? That the left jumps whole hog onto this now is pretty richly ironic.

Posted by: Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx at February 20, 2017 07:29 PM (Oq6zc)
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And, all of them are uniformly not invited to CPAC.

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 07:46 PM (2mC6G)

536 They have figured out a way to take out the "influencers," people - individuals who have the ability and reach to counter the cultural messages of the institutions they control. And notice - this was done by the WSJ... not Buzzfeed. This is the media attacking, not the right or the left.

Some online have called this "the GamerGate election"; a number of young people of all races were "woke" to the corrosive effects of the Left as part of that phenomenon, and a number of the "ringleaders" later were out-and-proud Trump supporters.

I think this Milo thing is intended to be the first stage in impeaching Trump. The threads from here aren't hard to follow: Steve Bannon, of course, and Milo had VIP credentials from Trump on Election Night.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2017 07:47 PM (5dOnv)

537 517 I think it's easy for an older, almost-29-year-old man like myself to project backwards into the past and claim that if an older woman seduced me, I would have been all hit-it-and-quit-it and wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am, but the older me is more cynical and knowing, and the younger me fell in love at the drop of a hat (and stayed in love for years).

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:34 PM (8rNrN)

And you know I think Milo is in that sort of "almost 29" age range. So his I was mature enough at an age younger than the age of consent law says, isn't exactly a surprising thing for him to say. As I mentioned I think a lot of us have that "I'm definitely ready for this situation even if the law says 'no'"

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 07:48 PM (z/Ubi)

538 528 >>I call bullshit to all the men claiming that if an older women wanted to Fuck you as a 12-16 year old that you. Would not suffer any negative psychological effects. bullshit. you would suffer negative psychological effects being sexual with a girl your age because the emotions involved.

Perhaps it's because you were a late bloomer. Or, gay?
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:43 PM (p+Qx5

Ha! No sir. The love of my life was 2 years older than me when we met when I was 12. She was my girlfriend for 3 years. I was way too young to be having sexual experiences.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 20, 2017 07:48 PM (FKHWN)

539 I am livid.

I didn't vote for Trump. I don't agree with Milo on a lot of things. But I had pre-ordered his book because free speech is that important.

This shit must stop. While the left's attack is to be expected, it is absolutely DISGUSTING to see people on the right go after him based on one stupid little comment. Screw CPAC and screw the NeverTrumpers.

I have nothing in common with these losers who will gladly sit back and watch the left continue to suppress university opinion on campuses and elsewhere just because the counter message isn't coming from the right people. Oh, dear, someone on our side gave a controversial opinion. We can't have that!

This is the last straw. No more money going to conservative groups except those that have clearly and explicitly stood on the right side. No more time wasted talking to losers who did (and will) do nothing to advance causes I care about. No more. The end.

BTW, I am contacting Simon Schuster and letting them know that their horrible decision will have an impact on my future purchases of books they publish. I encourage others to do the same. It won't reverse the decision, but they at least nee to be made aware that there are many people outside of their bubble that are very unhappy with their decision.

Posted by: GayEarth at February 20, 2017 07:49 PM (R5PUB)

540 528 >>I call bullshit to all the men claiming that if an older women wanted to Fuck you as a 12-16 year old that you. Would not suffer any negative psychological effects. bullshit. you would suffer negative psychological effects being sexual with a girl your age because the emotions involved.

Perhaps it's because you were a late bloomer. Or, gay?
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:43 PM (p+Qx5)

I was hit on by a teacher that I thought was attractive in high school. Luckily, I was (unluckily, still am) too thick-headed to pick up on that stuff. Years later, I realized what was going on. Glad I didn't. She left the next year. My guess is she got busted.

Posted by: Not Milo at February 20, 2017 07:50 PM (Bc3Xm)

541 Ace, I had his book pre-ordered thru Amazon, and got an e-mail from them that S&S was delaying the book to June 13 but NOT that it had been canceled.

Posted by: SDN at February 20, 2017 07:53 PM (z3gg+)

542 So I guess calling someone a pedophile is the next level above calling someone racist, which has completely (and especially in this case) lost almost sll its previous power. I am not a huge Milo fan either, but this is despicable, and here we arr all, like Paclov's sog, jumping to the sound of the MSM's god-damn bell... For fuck's-sake, we have got to stop letting them do this to us every time someone comes along on our side who is a fighter amd stands up to their bullshit... First Flynn, now Milo and next it will be Conway or Bannon... letting them claim a acalp just embolden's them on the next witch hunt...

Posted by: I Smell Something Rotten at February 20, 2017 07:54 PM (sHEYW)

543 >>Ha! No sir.

Glad you took that the right way...after I hit post I almost fealt a little bad. Almost.

But really, that's you. And I respect you for understanding yourself.

I, on the other hand, can give you a long list of everything I didn't learn then that I would have learned had I been able to think about anything else other than getting laid.

Of couse, at 13 I was 6 feet tall, growing hair in places nobody else was growing hair and working every day after school and all summer long on job sites.

It was downright unfair, I tell you.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 07:54 PM (p+Qx5)

544 I watched some of his youtube vids after the dust up at Berkley. I can see why The Left wants to silence the guy. He's quick on his feet, highly intelligent, and very funny. If he ever got a late night show, I'm pretty sure he would end The Left's hold on millennials in about a month. He also has interesting, thoughtful, not easily categorized views on sexuality and related cultural issues.

However, I can't imagine that a CPAC appearance would do anything but lead to grief for all parties. The RedState crowd would be aghast at their precious principles being violated and Erik Erickson would have a violent spasm of virtue signaling on the cover of USA Today. Besides, Milo has said on numerous occasions he doesn't consider himself a conservative.

Posted by: Zon Toro at February 20, 2017 07:55 PM (82s/V)

545 Let's wait to see what Angry John McCain says about this in the NYT.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at February 20, 2017 07:58 PM (j1Wvr)

546 Ace, your angst is showing.

Aside from a couple of side points along the way, you just wrote 1,784 words to say you don't know the situation and can't opine.

Posted by: Esteban at February 20, 2017 08:01 PM (pycQW)

547 Milo is the Point of the Spear , and the Flaming Arrow Over the Wall into the camp of the SJWs,and NeverTrumpers.
I will be proud to fight beside him.

Posted by: Dirty Old Deplorable at February 20, 2017 08:02 PM (YB89a)

548 529: If Milo's not gay, he should get an Academy award.

How many straight men would be willing to put on pearls and lipstick and talk about sucking black dick and being a bottom? Anybody here?

Nah, he's gay.

Posted by: Donna di deplorable ampersands&&&&and so there at February 20, 2017 08:05 PM (P8951)

549 Milo is far smarter than he is wise.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 20, 2017 08:06 PM (Uy6ri)

550 Also, I was in Ft Lauderdale for a girl's weekend and a guy with no legs
flew by us on a skateboard. It took about .00000001 seconds for me to
say "There goes Bob"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2017 06:51 PM (SEXy3)

---------------

What? If at the beach it's Sandy!

Posted by: Joanne at February 20, 2017 08:07 PM (t+/Ew)

551 I've found Milo to be funny, and effective fighting the SJWS and hope he's able to beat this shit.

Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2017 08:07 PM (3gBCr)

552 what was the movie again?

Posted by: oddnot enjoying #winning still with schadenboner to prove it at February 20, 2017 08:10 PM (g1MTt)

553 541 Ace, I had his book pre-ordered thru Amazon, and got an e-mail from them that S&S was delaying the book to June 13 but NOT that it had been canceled.
Posted by: SDN at February 20, 2017 07:53 PM (z3gg+)

The delay had been so he could include stuff on Berkeley and the other psycho riots that had happened recently. The book cancellation just happened today.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 20, 2017 08:10 PM (A1AkS)

554 i don't really think milo is my ally, necessarily, but I will not bless this tactic.

and "conservatives" who gladly join in have no right to criticize the Social Justice Warriors they pretend to hate. They just disagree on what the target list should be, not the rules of engagement.
Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:28

Since this "reveal" is coming after his invite to CPAC I suspect it's some on the right not comfortable w/ him, or else just leftists trying to cause trouble on the right.

I thought you mentioned Milo being on the alt-right when I first read this, but I can't find it. In the Maher interview he says he is hated on the alt-right. It may be them (whoever they are) but who knows.

Read his explanation on FB and it's plausible. The clips or posts of what he said all seem to be edited so I'll withhold judgment. It the timing of this that I have trouble with, there's a motive there and it's to destroy an effective advocate for free sppech against the Left.

Posted by: Farmer at February 20, 2017 08:10 PM (o/90i)

555 I'd just say to listen to his talk at Colorado Springs or Cal Poly from his Youtube Channel. He's making the case that I think we agree on while throwing out some rude, outrageous shit back at SJWs and Identity Politics people. When NR types criticize him as being content-free, it's clear that they've never taken an hour or two to listen to an actual talk.

It's crossed my mind that I wouldn't be shocked if the whole Bruno persona were just a way to be able to make the "White, Christian, Cis-Male, Straight" Classical Liberal view without being blown up immediately by the identity politics paradigm that almost everyone has started to accept - "you can't say that because you're not a ...." THis is not unlike white, male lefties who pretended to be Iraqi women bloggers or whatever about 10 years ago to say what they wanted to say against the war AND be heard by people like themselves.

Posted by: Ciitzen at February 20, 2017 08:11 PM (xI87X)

556 However, I can't imagine that a CPAC appearance would do anything but lead to grief for all parties. The RedState crowd would be aghast at their precious principles being violated and Erik Erickson would have a violent spasm of virtue signaling on the cover of USA Today. Besides, Milo has said on numerous occasions he doesn't consider himself a conservative.
Posted by: Zon Toro at February 20, 2017 07:55 PM (82s/V)

Erick Erickson is a cancer on the right. I have zero idea why WSB out of Atlanta gives him a voice.

Monica Perez (true libertarian) is much smartest and better educated and informed than Erickson. Wish they would give her a weekday gig and dump Erickson.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 20, 2017 08:19 PM (FKHWN)

557 Sorry.... just not gonna go to the mat for an obviously sick individual who boasts of giving a priest a wet Willie at the age of 14.

Posted by: PaddyO' at February 20, 2017 08:19 PM (Bbw58)

558 ace,

stand up... stand up for the evidence or the lack thereof. if they come up with evidence later that doesn't invalidate you.

Milo isn't my favorite either... I think he's an opportunistic person who could very well knife us later.

I know you've been through crap from he who shall not be named. On the other hand, you can plainfully call out things without getting the sting. Look at Ben Shapiro... he realizes that he's always his own man.

I dunno, its easy for me to say... my livelihood doesn't depends upon tacking these winds... but you know the game at this point.

Posted by: Former Mass Resident at February 20, 2017 08:20 PM (zkQGt)

559 when i was 14, a friend told me he had walked by the
house of an attractive classmate (15 years old) and she had taken off
her bathrobe right in front of the window and he'd seen everything.

I walked by that house like 2-4 times per night for like a year
hoping to catch a repeat performance of the same glorious moment.

(Didn't happen, of course. I began to suspect my friend was lying.)

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2017 07:25 PM (8rNrN)

-- Funny story.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 20, 2017 08:23 PM (Uy6ri)

560 I wouldn't take those statements above as pro-pedophile. He is correct that there is a lot of predation on young teenagers who are who are not truly men yet as well as young men by gay men. Just look at the behavior of Harvey Milk. Recognizing that and remarking on it is not approval of it, I don't think.

And whether he wants to admit it or not, he was a victim of abuse if he was truly having oral sex with a priest when he was 14.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2017 08:24 PM (FTXAT)

561 I think this Milo thing is intended to be the first stage in impeaching Trump. The threads from here aren't hard to follow: Steve Bannon, of course, and Milo had VIP credentials from Trump on Election Night.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2017 07:47 PM (5dOnv)
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Oh goody. Slippery slope arguments who told us that simply allowing gay people to be gay--with consenting adults--would never lead to anything more--and even suggesting it would was a SLIPPERY SLOPE.

Ace wrote something earlier about the Overton Window shifting--as a good thing. So people who want to be conservatives and have conservative principles have to accept that Milo meant only and exactly what he said and nothing more can be made out of his "oppressive" "one-size-fits-all" "consent" musings.

Does this Overton window thing move or not?

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 08:25 PM (2mC6G)

562 He's being "Akin-ed."

He's smarter than Todd but the means used is very similar.

As far as the book, if the deal has gone away he should self-publish to cut out the middle man publishing industry which only exists to use their profits to feed unreadable left "authors."

Posted by: geoffb5 at February 20, 2017 08:29 PM (d3wbb)

563 Here is the deal, Ace:

The clips HAVE been edited to increase Milo's culpability.

Without that editing, he is less culpable.

(He does not, for example, actually advocate older men soliciting masturbation from boys below the age of consent, or anyone prepubescent. On the contrary, he firmly opposes it.)

But, even unedited, he is NOT guiltless.

For example, he does suggest with perfect seriousness that post-pubescent boys below the age of consent are mature enough to be plied for sex by older men without it being necessarily evil. (He includes himself as an example.) And he sees nothing wrong with boys who are just barely past the age of consent entering into homosexual relationships with men decades older.

Please note: He is not saying that older men seeking sexual relationships with boys under the age of consent shouldn't be against the law. He is saying that the law is correct...but only because an arbitrary age-of-consent must be drawn somewhere and 16 is "about right" for most boys.

But, he is also saying that, in the case of a sexually precocious 13-year-old such as himself, the need for an arbitrary age-limit is the only reason such a relationship is wrong, and that if the law could be written with a maturity-based limit rather than chronological-age-based limit, then a relationship between himself at age 13 and a 29-year-old older man would be a positive social good.

And as for a 16-year-old boy? He is not only saying that a sexual relationship between that boy and a 29-year-old man is should be legal, but that it is not morally objectionable in any way.

This young man is looking less composed, more haunted by the minute. He will hit bottom at some later point (I don't think this is it).

Conservatives should stop having him for a spokesman. His evident happiness at the thought of 16-year-old boys (and perhaps a few, um, talented younger ones, if only the law weren't such a blunt instrument) being seduced by men twice their age disqualifies him.

Doesn't it?

Seriously, doesn't it?

I'm not talking about what's outlawed, here. Conservatives believe there's more to what is immoral than merely what is illegal. I'm talking about what Conservatives hold to be good for humans as humans, and what Milo does.

There is a wide gulf between them, on this point.

Isn't there?

Posted by: R.C. at February 20, 2017 08:30 PM (piMDU)

564 If we didn't have the same media orgs blowing this up posting paens to pedophiles like Salon did, Dunham's behavior with sister, support of Polanski etc I may put a little more stock in any of this. But after the daily lies posted, the hounding of people from livelihoods, and the recurrent cases of Flynn, PewDiePie, etc type death by innuendo I have no trust in it. I've been on receiving end of the suspicion from my humor and I know it's effects. Until there is any examples of any actions to actually modify consent, words are words.

Posted by: Aacid at February 20, 2017 08:31 PM (As2Hz)

565 I am definitely not for this: http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/02/20/ breitbart-employees-demand-milo-yiannopoulos-fired/

There is no reason that because CPAC disinvites him Breitbart should be plied with an ultimatum about his employment.

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 08:39 PM (2mC6G)

566 Rereading my last post, I find myself wishing I could edit it.

So, to cover myself:

1. I hope Milo will become a more stable individual than he is, and not commit suicide when his 15 minutes are up.

2. The way he's looking recently makes me a bit concerned for him, in that area.

3. Even if conservatives DON'T disagree with Milo about what constitutes a healthy sexuality, they should stop having him as a spokesperson before he implodes.

4. I did not intend the bad, bad pun about him probably "hitting bottom" at some point in the future. Yes, yes, I get it: He probably has already done so, a lot. Har, har. Fine. But I was concerned for the lad's well-being, not being snarky. The LEFT likes to eat its children when it's done using them. Let's not be like them.

Other minor errata, I think folks can figure out what I meant.

Posted by: R.C. at February 20, 2017 08:39 PM (piMDU)

567 Killing Milo is killing Trump. That's all this is.

I like Milo. I didn't know anything about his sexual history until this thread because I've been more interested in his Gamergate/free speech issues. I've seen interviews with him where he is thoughtful, informed and even philosophical. I know that he is outrageous and flamboyant at times... Maybe this persona got away from him.

"Nazi" and "fascist" were so ridiculous that they were only working to his advantage, so they had to find something else. Killing Milo is killing Trump, which is the real objective here.

Posted by: Gem at February 20, 2017 08:44 PM (uaHyk)

568 This also reminds me of the whole Pewdiepie thing.

Posted by: Gem at February 20, 2017 08:47 PM (uaHyk)

569 The thought of a dudes hairy ass makes me limp like a noodle but I enjoy watching Milo fuck with the left. I was looking forward to his book. It is a shame that "conservatives" are going to join the "liberals" in claiming his scalp because gay cooties. These are the same snobs that are going to always work against President Trump so that they can continue to nobly lose to the left.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at February 20, 2017 08:51 PM (j1Wvr)

570 But, he is also saying that, in the case of a sexually precocious
13-year-old such as himself, the need for an arbitrary age-limit is the
only reason such a relationship is wrong, and that if the law could be
written with a maturity-based limit rather than chronological-age-based
limit, then a relationship between himself at age 13 and a 29-year-old
older man would be a positive social good.

And as for a 16-year-old boy? He is not only saying that a sexual
relationship between that boy and a 29-year-old man is should be legal,
but that it is not morally objectionable in any way.

This young man is looking less composed, more haunted by the minute.
He will hit bottom at some later point (I don't think this is it).

Posted by: R.C. at February 20, 2017 08:30 PM (piMDU)

First, I think that no moral person (especially including conservatives) should cosign this opinion. The types of relationships he views as not morally reprehensible are wrong and should not be normalized. Those types of relationships are from what I understand, however, common in the gay community. So common that it was unremarkable in the early days of "gay rights" for NAMBLA to march in gay pride parades. NAMBLA was also one of the member groups of the ILGA from 1978 until they were expelled from the group when the UN gave them consultative status.

Second, I will say again that it appears Milo was abused and rather than recognize that he prefers to believe that what happened to him was and is normal.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2017 08:52 PM (FTXAT)

571 Maybe evangelicals are happy to have a president who has embraced their community in the White House after eight years of the not so secret Muslim, and they don't want him to share the spotlight with a "Dangerous Faghot" in Milo's own words with all the bathroom-marriage-baking controversy. Milo at CPAC is more of so cons having to shut up and celebrate some Johnny Cum Lately Twitter YouRube star.

Posted by: Nevermind at February 20, 2017 08:53 PM (nCKKS)

572 571 Maybe evangelicals are happy to have a president who has embraced their community in the White House after eight years of the not so secret Muslim, and they don't want him to share the spotlight with a "Dangerous Faghot" in Milo's own words with all the bathroom-marriage-baking controversy. Milo at CPAC is more of so cons having to shut up and celebrate some Johnny Cum Lately Twitter YouRube star.
Posted by: Nevermind at February 20, 2017 08:53 PM (nCKKS)

Milo opposes all the trannies in bathrooms crap. Is not in favor of gay marriage. And is definitely not on board with the forcing of bakeries to bake a cake for a gay wedding against their will. He even went to Memories Pizza to talk to them and gave them his support.

So your post is just full of stupidity.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 08:57 PM (z/Ubi)

573 " It is a shame that "conservatives" are going to join the "liberals" in
claiming his scalp because gay cooties. These are the same snobs that
are going to always work against President Trump so that they can
continue to nobly lose to the left. "

As Trump would say, they are LOSERS.

Posted by: GayEarth at February 20, 2017 08:57 PM (R5PUB)

574 Did Milo do worse than Donna Brazille?

Posted by: East Bay Jay at February 20, 2017 09:05 PM (PvCxa)

575 An old friend of mine, who grew up in New Orleans, said he was "passed around among the parish priests like a Fritos pack" for their enjoyment: he of course grew up queer. And masochistic.

But of course, we're not allowed to notice any problems with homosexuality.

Posted by: Beverly at February 20, 2017 09:13 PM (CLufM)

576 "Sorry.... just not gonna go to the mat for an obviously sick individual who boasts of giving a priest a wet Willie at the age of 14."

I hope you haven't sinned any in your life because apparently it makes you open to the masses of self righteous judgement with no one to defend you. Let's call this statement by you what it is, cowardice.

Posted by: connor at February 20, 2017 09:17 PM (PmQiG)

577 So, a man's life is half in ruins over a video manufactured and edited by his political enemies.

...and some of you are convicting him on that basis, alone.

...without him appearing in a court, before his accusers.

Yeah...to hell with The Constitution, anyway. What do we need it for?

Posted by: The Hot Gates at February 20, 2017 09:20 PM (k3uSs)

578 Milo is smart and funny as hell, and he makes the left-wing bullies piss themselves and show their true colors. Unless I personally catch him f**king an underage relative of mine, I support the son of a biscuit eater and will continue to do so.

Posted by: VA MKZ at February 20, 2017 09:27 PM (bgYgn)

579
An old friend of mine, who grew up in New Orleans, said he was "passed
around among the parish priests like a Fritos pack" for their enjoyment:
he of course grew up queer. And masochistic.

But of course, we're not allowed to notice any problems with homosexuality.

Posted by: Beverly at February 20, 2017 09:13 PM (CLufM)

This is true... I will also point out that people can be both right and wrong in their world view. Milo is absolutely right in his defense of free speech and his willingness and ability to stand up to crybullying SJW's.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2017 09:33 PM (FTXAT)

580 Tammy Bruce is another very effective gay spokesperson for the conservative cause, and, guess what? She was also seduced by a much older person at a very young age, and feels that it didn't damage her, but rather helped her to discover herself.

She and Milo have both since spoken out against pedophilia in general, while embracing what happened to them personally as just part of who they are.

As others have stated, this is a common backstory among the gay community.

Yes, we must absolutely punish child molestation and statutory rape. But we can't get bent out of shape when an effective spokesperson for our worldview embraces a terrible thing that happened to him/her as just "part of who I am", especially when that person considers the crime to be generally a big net minus for society.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at February 20, 2017 09:38 PM (0OG8D)

581 So, conservatives:

Am I still a weirdo for wanting to begin the killing of leftists?

Posted by: Ken at February 20, 2017 09:39 PM (4Uqsq)

582 Posted by: Ken at February 20, 2017 09:39 PM (4Uqsq)

You're a psycho.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 09:42 PM (z/Ubi)

583 CPAC is the Conservatism Inc. version of Nerd Prom.

Posted by: tsj017 at February 20, 2017 09:43 PM (EGz/K)

584 "Posted by: Ken at February 20, 2017 09:39 PM (4Uqsq)"

Kind of an odd comment. There may come a time soon when civil war does break out, but you shouldn't wish for it. If this were a more radical site like a militia message board (I'm guessing those exist), I would think you were an agent provocateur.

Posted by: GayEarth at February 20, 2017 09:52 PM (R5PUB)

585 Lots of great stuff here. Liked Ace's Indiana/Marion story... Made me play that sequence in my head, which ended with her saying, "Do you know what you did to me; to my life??" Takes on a slightly different tone when filtered through Original Intent!

As re: pop song status, there's Stevie Nicks' "Edge of Seventeen" ("He was no more than a baby..."). And most of Hollywood giving Polanski a standing-O. And there's the fact that Woody Allen appears to be rehabilitated, in the eyes of the general public.

I knew of Milo from the periphery, until he got kicked off Twitter -- then I started checking out his YT gigs. I watched his recent RT appearance and was charmed -- he reminded, and reminds me, of most of who I hung out with in the 80s, when I scratched out a living as an actress, doing sidework as a shopgirl. There in the family of the theatre, and upscale retail, dwelt many Milos. Some of whom were jerks; some were darlings. His tossed-off trash plays like a rerun of a thousand cast parties I attended. I think he's funny, and often right on the mark. The rest of what he says is white noise to me now, as it was then.

I agree that today's Reveal, of info that's been in the public domain for months, smacks of set-up. I'm not on Twitter, so I don't have to worry about my TL cluttering up with accusations that I'm promoting pedophilia.

I join his little old Baptist ladies in praying for him tonight.

Posted by: voiceover at February 20, 2017 09:54 PM (XvbjR)

586 Simon Schuster is reportedly canceling Milo's book deal
https://t.co/yiEzGLKdIg
pic.twitter.com/UTO4tCspF5
- Nick Monroe (@nickmon1112) February 20, 2017

++++

Vox Day offers to publish at Castalia.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/02/
simon-schuster-cancels-dangerous.html

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 20, 2017 09:54 PM (R+30W)

587 So your post is just full of stupidity.
Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 08:57 PM (z/Ubi)

Didn't say Milo was personally responsible for the culture wars. Just looking to get rich off them. You know which scalp the left shouldn't have claimed? Flynn's. That was a matter of nat sec. This is just noise. As for the pedophilia part, there are obviously a lot of people compromised in our govt. Go after them instead of promoting someone selling his sentimental education by NAMBLA.

Posted by: Nevermind at February 20, 2017 09:54 PM (nCKKS)

588 Milo is, of course, funny and smart.

And he is, of course, correct to oppose the fascism of the regressive leftists.

And it is nice to see the left justly hoisted on their own petard, when a partly-Jewish gay man with a succession of black boyfriends calls them out on their authoritarian and anti-intellectual horses***.

All that goes without saying, or should.

And, the videos were tendentiously edited to make his views sound worse than they are. Nobody should excoriate Milo for things he doesn't actually think.

And, 99% of the "objectionable" things he's said are "objectionable" because they're true, and painfully obvious, but they're in that list of things you're not supposed to say, and he not only said them, but said them cruelly and got people to laugh with him.

NOT, in my view, a capital offense.

So I appreciate some of his talent and some of his social impact. I am in some ways sympathetic to him.

But it's time the conservatives and the sane Trump supporters politely parted ways with him. Wish him well; don't crush him, but steer clear from here on out. Befriend him privately to help keep him on an even keel...but don't have him as spokesman!

This is not to destroy him, but to prevent his eventual implosion from doing damage.

Why?

First, because some of the things that he does think are incompatible with moral sanity.

You can still be a conservative while agreeing with Milo that it should be legal for a boy barely past the age of consent to engage in mutual masturbation with a much older man. You can argue that on various libertarian grounds.

But you cannot, I think, be a conservative while agreeing with Milo that such a thing is morally acceptable, let alone good for either person, or for anyone else around.

(I notice, by-the-way, that Milo is around age 32...roughly the age of the older men who solicited him when he was 14 or thereabouts. Let's hope his opinions on this matter aren't reflected in his current behavior.)

Secondly, because Milo is looking ragged. There are dark circles under his eyes. He is looking haunted and worse-for-wear. He may not implode...but then again, he may.

If he ever does, he needs friends from the morally-sane side of the universe to help him out and listen to him privately.

But they need to stop publicly endorsing him before that happens.

Because if he's caught in bed with a dead girl or (much more likely) a live boy, he will wreak havoc on the conservative cause, and they will have to abandon him and condemn him in a public and no-room-for-dispute kind of way. And then he'll have few or no morally sane friends left to help him avoid being suicidal (literally or figuratively).

So. Time to back away, without animus, pointing out the unfair editing of the video but stating that, apart from that, Milo's views on sexual morality aren't quite ours, even if we see eye-to-eye with him on freedom-of-speech and the fascistic nature of leftists.

Posted by: R.C. at February 20, 2017 09:56 PM (piMDU)

589 Milo is kind of like the Lenny Bruce of this era. Deliberately, hilariously outrageous, but the problem with all of the people who believe that there are no real boundaries, is that they're incapable of knowing when they cross some important ones. It doesn't bother me, it's par for the course, but it always causes these people a great deal of trouble with the normals.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 20, 2017 09:57 PM (V2Yro)

590 Tammy Bruce is another very effective gay
spokesperson for the conservative cause, and, guess what? She was also
seduced by a much older person at a very young age, and feels that it
didn't damage her, but rather helped her to discover herself.

She
and Milo have both since spoken out against pedophilia in general,
while embracing what happened to them personally as just part of who
they are.

As others have stated, this is a common backstory among the gay community.

Posted by: pw at February 20, 2017 09:38 PM (0OG8D)

Is there an analogous term to Stockholm Syndrome for young people who are abused and groomed into a gay lifestyle?

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2017 10:05 PM (FTXAT)

591 "Children below the age of consent can not give consent [...]"

That's slightly different than reality. Or it's a self-referential statement.

Our society has decided that any human under the age of X is not capable of giving consent to sexual activity.

I guess that I'm a hell of lot stranger than most, but I thought long and hard prior to puberty about how I wanted to act after puberty. (Insert "long and hard" joke here.) (Add "insert" joke here, while you're at it.)

It seems to me that early homosexual behavior has the potential drawbacks of a) venereal disease (including HIV) and b) emotional entanglements. It's not there are going to be children generated by that behavior.

I don't think that treating young humans as children until they are 26 is a good thing. I don't think that treating young humans as adults when they are 9 is a good thing.

I'll point out that some people think a child can decide they have the wrong gender at an absurdly low age. Maybe those people think that a 9 year old can bang a 40 year old. I dunno.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at February 20, 2017 10:08 PM (ZBO0C)

592 This crap is reminding me of the discretion confusion on the left.

It's simple.

Nobody has taken Gary Johnson's scalp by not being invited to speak at CPAC. The lack of speaking at CPAC scalps no one. Milo has been moved from the category of being invited to speak at CPAC to not being invited--by CPAC at their discretion.

If that doesn't pass your "logic filter", then I'm afraid logic runs a different direction for you than me.

As for how you can get the left to understand certain arguments--you can't even convince them that somebody who has never talked shunning trannies is not going to put trannies in camps!! The question of how you get the unhinged left to understand ANYTHING these days is a problem that doesn't necessarily have a solution.

And importing their "hypocrisy" Alinsky crap over here is a REAL great. fucking. idea.

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 10:10 PM (JhE5a)

593 #590: There's probably a word for it in German; they have words for pretty much everything in that language.

The point I'm making here is, if I talk about some terrible thing that happened to me in my past, and I say it wasn't all that bad for me and ultimately made me a better person, or at least helped me "discover myself", that doesn't necessarily mean that I approve of that thing happening to someone else.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at February 20, 2017 10:14 PM (0OG8D)

594 593 #590: There's probably a word for it in German; they have words for pretty much everything in that language.

The point I'm making here is, if I talk about some terrible thing that happened to me in my past, and I say it wasn't all that bad for me and ultimately made me a better person, or at least helped me "discover myself", that doesn't necessarily mean that I approve of that thing happening to someone else.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at February 20, 2017 10:14 PM (0OG8D)

So you mean someone that gets into a car accident and then take 18 months to learn to walk again and uses those lessons they've learned to become a motivational speaker isn't encouraging everyone else to do the same thing?

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 10:23 PM (z/Ubi)

595 I'll point out that some people think a child can decide they have the wrong gender at an absurdly low age. Maybe those people think that a 9 year old can bang a 40 year old. I dunno.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at February 20, 2017 10:08 PM (ZBO0C)
---
Thanks for illustrating slippery slope. That we can popularize things on the basis that it's ***ONLY*** ***EVER*** about "consenting adults", and a stipulation that was SO IMPORTANT before, can be negotiated later.

And now we're saying that unknown to the evangelicals--who Trump thinks he couldn't have won without--there was this necessary deal with solidarity with subtlety around the previously strict "age of consent"--or be branded as a pitchfork brigade for making a decision that the consent renegotiation might be not the best conservative representation.

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 10:25 PM (JhE5a)

596 #594: Yes! Thanks, Buzz! You know exactly what I'm talking about, here!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at February 20, 2017 10:26 PM (0OG8D)

597 @595 I'm afraid that I don't quite follow your point.

Keep in mind that in the tradition around here, I've read practically nothing that you've posted earlier in the thread.

"For Christ's sake, could you read the rest of the thread prior to whining?!" is a perfectly valid response.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at February 20, 2017 10:34 PM (ZBO0C)

598 So you mean someone that gets into a car accident
and then take 18 months to learn to walk again and uses those lessons
they've learned to become a motivational speaker isn't encouraging
everyone else to do the same thing?

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2017 10:23 PM (z/Ubi)

That is a pretty poor analogy as the speaker did not turn into (or discover he was) a car on account of that accident.

This is a side issue and does not excuse pillorying Milo over abuse that he suffered BUT there has to be a recognition that someone who does not see their own abuse as abuse his internally normalized it.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2017 10:37 PM (FTXAT)

599 *his internally normalized it should read has internally normalized it

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2017 10:38 PM (FTXAT)

600 Gotta say, with all the Left imploding at the seams this whole past month, this Milo thing sorta pulled itself out of its own Conservative ass at a unique time. No?

Posted by: Corona at February 20, 2017 10:39 PM (MB5zC)

601 567
Killing Milo is killing Trump. That's all this is.

I agree. I don't know his personal issues, but I will not base anything on what is circulating out there in the frenzy. And I will not help destroy this man.

Posted by: gracepc at February 20, 2017 10:43 PM (OU4q6)

602 You worry too much: your instincts are probably right and one can learn a lot merely from who is attacking Milo and the manner in and tone with which they are doing it. If it looks and smells like a bored/terrified witch hunt, the odds are that's exactly what it is...

Posted by: Mietzsche at February 20, 2017 10:49 PM (MGrGQ)

603 #598: How about Malala Yousefzani as an example?

She was an Afghani teen who went to school (oh, the horror!) and encouraged other girls to do so.

She was shot in the head for it. She survived, and didn't back down from her stance. She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for it.

She is now part of the international Left, which is allied with the very jihadis who shot her.

That doesn't diminish her basic message, that girls should try to live up to their potential. Well, okay; maybe it does diminish her message just a bit, since she is on some some level supporting sharia law.

Still, she's not saying that every girl who wants an education should survive getting shot in the head in order to earn that privilege. If she just absolutely 100% had her way in this matter, no other girl would have to go through that.

I can agree with her on that point, at least.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at February 20, 2017 10:59 PM (0OG8D)

604 Milo has denied that he is a pedo, he has reminded us of the fact that he himself outed several pedos, and I am reading from several sources that this video editing to twist his words was a set up by the left in conjunction with some of the never trumper crowd. I agree that Milo has become a little risky and arrogant with his comments lately, and maybe pushed his wording a little too far thus making it easier for the left to engineer a fall for him.

May I remind all of you that conservatives, gamers and libertarians of the younger generation idolize Milo because he speaks truth to the face of powerful leftist individuals and industries. He spits their hypocrisy back at them. Do you all have any idea how isolated, persecuted and psychologically abused conservative or even moderate students are in college on a daily basis? If we allow OUR ENEMIES to turn US against Milo, we most likely again lose a big portion of badly needed younger voters for our side. We will reveal ourselves to the conservative/moderate milenials as hypocrites and weaklings.

What are we doing?
Playing again into the hands of the fascists on the left.

When are we going to learn not to allow them to use our virtues as if they were our Achilles heel?

Posted by: Martell at February 20, 2017 11:00 PM (5uqMH)

605 TheFUQ?

Posted by: Corona at February 20, 2017 11:01 PM (MB5zC)

606 Martell's got a good point.

Posted by: Corona at February 20, 2017 11:02 PM (MB5zC)

607 No free speech for Milo says Simon & Schuster.
Let he who is without sin ... etcetera.

Posted by: Hit by Irony at February 20, 2017 11:02 PM (0a1T6)

608 Milo is still pretty young. I was his age now when he was born. I was pretty sure I had figured out everything from my hard adolescent and young adult past at that point. Two divorces and lots of family turmoil later, I think I have a better perspective. He still has a ways to go. The question is, is anyone appropriate mentoring him still?

Posted by: epador at February 20, 2017 11:09 PM (7TSW3)

609 That doesn't diminish her basic message, that girls should try to live
up to their potential. Well, okay; maybe it does diminish her message
just a bit, since she is on some some level supporting sharia law.

Still,
she's not saying that every girl who wants an education should survive
getting shot in the head in order to earn that privilege. If she just
absolutely 100% had her way in this matter, no other girl would have to
go through that.

I can agree with her on that point, at least.

********************************

I can agree with her on the point that education is important. I also recognize that she is a tool of the left.

I think Milo is wrong about homosexuality.

I think he is very right about leftist totalitarianism and the left's efforts to silence speech they don't agree with. I think that is a valuable point of agreement.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2017 11:13 PM (FTXAT)

610 "For Christ's sake, could you read the rest of the thread prior to whining?!" is a perfectly valid response.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at February 20, 2017 10:34 PM (ZBO0C)
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What indicates that I haven't read the whole thread? My first post is at 127--clearly ~100 posts isn't too much to read. I've kept more or less abreast since then, checking to see what valid points people were making or how much conflation or dissembling was ruling the day.

There is a general failure to grasp how much the evangelical right--if that is what CPAC represents currently--owes to solidarity, based on the momentary, pragmatic strategic decision to support Trump, and how endless that the reverberations--even extending to a controversy that has little likelihood of affecting Trump's governance or power, and thus the particular decision made.

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 11:14 PM (JhE5a)

611 A question: can anyone talk about sexuality in teenagers in public without being called a pedophile? Seriously, is that topic now taboo upon penalty of being labeled a deviant? For those who aren't getting what I'm saying, let me be more blunt:

As Americans, are we capable of acknowledging that people under 18 can be, and often are, sexual beings with sexual urges?

The question seems absurd on its face, I know, because of all the advertising, movies, television, music, etc that regularly and routinely takes teenage "idols", as they're known, and sells them as a sexual commodity worldwide. But after the money isn't being made from the prostitution of children, are we all supposed to shut up and pretend that nobody under 18 has sex, thinks about sex, or - here it comes - WANTS sex? I mean, there are entire movies like American Pie dedicated to this very concept, and it's not even 20 years old yet.

Because in all of the "examples" shown, Milo demonstrates an unabashed - albeit unorthodox - comfort in discussing the sexuality of young males. Probably one reason is because - here comes another one - he was probably sexually active as a teenager himself. every example I heard was either a joke, or an observation. Nothing was an endorsement, condoning, or acceptance of pedophilia as good or right or justifiable; just that it happens, and he's explaining the mechanics. If that topic is so taboo that we will put a scarlet letter on anyone who is willing to discuss it like an adult, then the problem is with US, not with Milo.

Posted by: S at February 20, 2017 11:14 PM (YtzJ5)

612 No free speech for Milo says Simon Schuster.

Let he who is without sin ... etcetera.

Posted by: Hit by Irony at February 20, 2017 11:02 PM (0a1T6)

Milo should self publish. Also, SS is a private company and is not required to give anyone a platform. I think they are cowards but that is their right. I will not buy their books and that is my right.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2017 11:15 PM (FTXAT)

613 Aargh! Shoulda known:

https://www.evanmcmullin.com/reaganbattalion

Posted by: geewhiz at February 20, 2017 11:17 PM (LG9Ah)

614 short version:

he's homosexual. pederasty is a thing among homosexuals. it just is. he talked about it in an interview. his enemies on the right dug up some out-of-context audio from him, and his enemies on the left (by that I mean the media) are talking about it endlessly and calling him a "pedophile" or an apologist for pedophilia.

as a factual matter, milo wasn't talking about pedophilia. he was talking about pederasty. pedophilia is an attraction to pre-pubescent children. like a 7 year old. milo was talking about relationships between teenagers and adults. the age of consent would seem to me to be a valid area for public debate.

my two pennies.

Posted by: WARPIG at February 20, 2017 11:20 PM (KL5Ns)

615 Also, I am highly suspicious that these bullshit charges are being thrown at Milo when he was one of the first and most high-profile people to bring up Pizzagate. Seems an awful lot like a way to distract from the elite's own pedophilia, like Anthony Weiner's and Denny Hastert's and Jon Podesta's.

Posted by: S at February 20, 2017 11:22 PM (YtzJ5)

616 I think a fair summation of 95% of this post is "Milo deserves due process".

Posted by: melanerpes at February 20, 2017 11:22 PM (ZD0Qq)

617 #609: Agreed 100%!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at February 20, 2017 11:23 PM (0OG8D)

618 Keep in mind all of the awards "Queer as Folk" received.

About a teen age boy's first gay experience, but he was 17.

Posted by: Jack at February 20, 2017 11:32 PM (YX9fV)

619 A question: can anyone talk about sexuality in teenagers in public without being called a pedophile? Seriously, is that topic now taboo upon penalty of being labeled a deviant? For those who aren't getting what I'm saying, let me be more blunt:
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CPAC did not claim Yiannopoulos was a pedophile they said he condoned it, and then that he failed to answer to ACU's satisfaction. How about not heaping slop upon slop? I think Milo's own dissembling hurt him a little on this.

Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2017 11:33 PM (JhE5a)

620 I believe Milo when he stated that he is not a pedophile. This persecution against this man is another example of our enemies (the leftist progressive globalist anti western civilization cabal which includes the anti trumpers on the right) systematically trying to take down effective fighters on our side.

I wasn't going to buy Milos book. Now, if he publishes it, I will buy not one but several copies.

I am so angry and disgusted by these globalists' desperation to turn US into their pet plebes, that I have done the insane: Will not buy from amazon any more. Deleted all my lists on my account. Will let it sit there unused. Don't need it. Bezos can take his Washington compost and mostly made in china crap and stuff it up his ass. Not one more penny from me. This is one small way I can fight these aholes.

To quote Milo, "I am a western civilization supremacist". Starve the beasts. Lordy am I pissed off!

Posted by: Martell at February 20, 2017 11:36 PM (5uqMH)

621 OK, let's say Milo was promoting pederasty.

Now, everyone who thinks that a howling Internet mob, egged on by the media, ruining every aspect of his life that they can touch is an appropriate way to respond to this kind of behavior, please raise your hand.

Posted by: West at February 20, 2017 11:42 PM (n0cAt)

622 I come at this from a completely different direction, having met a man and a woman (they don't know each other) who were each sexually abused beginning when they were VERY young, about 5 years old.

This experience to a young child, to use my own analogy, is like having his wires FRIED. Think of being a completely ignorant naive 5 year old boy, and having someone you know and are supposed to be able to trust, walking into your bedroom, putting... just imagine each and every movement and what you think you might feel, being in that naive unknowing state. One person viciously called it shock "therapy." It totally changes that child.

I don't know Milo's history. I do know from speaking with many abused men in order to learn more about this, that they feel immense shame, immense shame and guilt, from the abuse. I know that some of them end up with sexual fetishes or preferences - as Milo clearly has - as a result. Many times, men won't disclose this for the first time until they're in their 40s or 50s. One man I knew didn't disclose until he was about 60 years old. 60!

I've been listening to some of Milo's presentations and he has been edging closer and closer to telling about his abuse and TRYING VERY HARD to explain to people the consequences of abuse, as he tried on Bill Maher's show, but was shut down. It's very hard for an abuse survivor to talk about this, but he has been extraordinarily brave about it. Extraordinary. He's extraordinarily unusual in this. Amazing, really to watch him inch closer and closer to explaining to the gratefully uninitiated. It's a club I promise you don't want to join.

I don't really have time to write the book this requires, but perhaps it will suffice to say, the more we hear from abuse survivors - ALL THEY HAVE TO SAY- and not just the sanitized sounds we want to hear, the sooner we will start saving them from suicide and preventing it in the first place. But we are not open, we are quick to judge. I promise you, when you shame them more, they clam up and you will never know what's behind the mask.

I spent years talking with that man who had been raped at age 5 for some time. He had multiple personalities and he would switch personalities all the time, it was so aggravating. But I made it a point to be accepting, totally accepting, so he would tell me what he was thinking. He had a very successful business and he had employees to think about. I wanted him better because he deserved a good life.

One of his personalities wanted to be a girl so badly. The other two, one was the successful (hyper-busy) business man and the other was a frustrated teenager that despised the girl wannabe. He was a mess. But if I had shamed him, he would never have shared his inner conflicts with me, I wouldn't have learned, he wouldn't have had a confidante, and his therapy would probably still not be getting off the ground.

Instead, today, he has more or less fused his personalities and functions much better. He's no longer afraid of people standing near him, he's able to work better, he's able to understand he's only one person now. It's progress.

Milo is willing to explain all the wiring problems, if people won't shame him to exile. He's willing to do the self-sacrificing of explaining the effects of abuse to the unknowing population. This would be an immense service to humanity, because suffering would be more often prevented and afflicted children would be better understood by more people.

So, I would never criticize Milo for what he said or didn't say. His candor is entirely too valuable. He literally deserves a medal for bravery. I do care about what he DOES, but as far as I can see, he hasn't done a single thing wrong.

It took me 3 years of reading, talking to people, meeting people, to get a handle on this, because my friend was too ashamed, too afraid and too triggered to explain it all to me. He dropped bread crumbs. IT was so frustrating.

My entrance to this alternate universe has really changed my view on so much. And it is an alternate universe where up is down, left is right, normal is abnormal. You cannot judge it by your standards if you wish to understand those suffering. You must meet them on their terms or accomplish nothing.

We have so many young people suffering.... I'm thankful to Milo for trying to inform we normals about the crazy world all around us that we don't even know is there.

Finally, I love Ace's point: this instantaneous let's destroy someone before we can think for 2 minutes, is corrosive. And, you know, the left loves Lena Dunham, ADMITTED child molester. Her parents must have been a piece of work. The left is thrilled to destroy Milo, our very effective gladiator.

Posted by: Bedtime Stories at February 20, 2017 11:44 PM (Kpbco)

623 #622: Agreed with you, too, 100%!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at February 20, 2017 11:48 PM (0OG8D)

624 Well, like they said, now we know what the left will call you when racist/fascist won't stick.
I hope Milo gets his book out somehow. I think he's going to need another one just for tonight.

Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2017 11:54 PM (3gBCr)

625 615. Yes, projection and never let a crisis go to waste.
622. Thank you for your comment. Honest and informative. I agree with you about Milo.
624. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get his book out.
The younger people who support and love Milo because he is a fighter and very courageous are up in arms about this attack.I believe that CPAC Is controlled by the enemy on the right that opposes Trump.

They are about to lose big.

Posted by: Martell at February 21, 2017 12:14 AM (5uqMH)

626 Ace hides behind his anonymity, and everyone understands and respects that.

A flamboyant homosexual from the UK dares to yell American truth to power and must be exorcised. Go fuck yourself, Ace.

P.S. No one gives a shit about your Gainzz, fatboy. Eat less and exercise more. It ain't rocket science. Fuckinhell. We are doomed.

Posted by: 1st time long time at February 21, 2017 12:18 AM (H+DV4)

627 Never had anything useful to contribute to hillariousness I read here daily. I've worked 17 years with trauma folks. Milo was abused, and he will never be a predator/pedophile. Anyone interested in understanding trauma should listen to this guy. He's the foremost expert, and right!

Posted by: Alh at February 21, 2017 12:23 AM (Ro67X)

628 @610: "What indicates that I haven't read the whole thread?"

Not *you*, *me*. *I* haven't read the whole thread.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at February 21, 2017 12:24 AM (ZBO0C)

629 Bessel Vanderkolk--the body keeps the score. You can find him presenting on YouTube.

Posted by: Alh at February 21, 2017 12:25 AM (Ro67X)

630 622,

This.

Posted by: geoffb5 at February 21, 2017 12:28 AM (d3wbb)

631 Not *you*, *me*. *I* haven't read the whole thread.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at February 21, 2017 12:24 AM (ZBO0C)
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Yeah, I realized I took a wrong turn there, when re-read your post.

Posted by: Axeman at February 21, 2017 01:08 AM (JhE5a)

632 CPAC did not claim Yiannopoulos was a pedophile
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Thanks so much for that nuance that the media and Left are utterly ignoring in their desire to destroy this man. It's mega important.

Posted by: S at February 21, 2017 01:30 AM (YtzJ5)

633 If Milo is silenced, Ann Coulter will be next. Then Rush.

The worst thing about this is this is largely the right devouring itself again. While the left is insane, it rarely goes after its own allies.

Milo has outed three pedophiles. How many have you outed Ace?

Posted by: Jezebel at February 21, 2017 02:07 AM (8HXY5)

634 Never trust them homosexuals.
They ain't right in the head.

Politics is politics and that's another matter.
This ain't about politics, it is about kids.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at February 21, 2017 03:24 AM (lQqij)

635 No more freedom of speech...

Posted by: Aunt Milka at February 21, 2017 03:35 AM (NOk5K)

636 anyone know what the NY Times is making of this in light of their recent article advocating normalizing just this kind of thing?

Posted by: firefirefire at February 21, 2017 04:58 AM (vO2v4)

637 Another reset of the fake news counter. Even my schadenboner would be hard pressed to be slapped around this much...

Posted by: somejoe at February 21, 2017 05:22 AM (bEHhv)

638 616 I think a fair summation of 95% of this post is "Milo deserves due process".
Posted by: melanerpes at February 20, 2017 11:22 PM (ZD0Qq)
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Except there IS NO "due process" for public shaming and character assasination, is there ?

THAT seems to be the real point here.

Posted by: deadrody at February 21, 2017 06:21 AM (vJOFB)

639 He fights. I'll buy his book.

Posted by: BillR at February 21, 2017 06:30 AM (iyXZR)

640 The bottom line is, this is ridiculous bullshit.

There is only one intent that matters - that of the speaker. If you can clearly, unambiguously, without question state that Milo's intent in any of his past statements was to forgive or endorse pedophilia, then 1) you're a helluva lot smarter than most, and 2) you're also full of shit.

Again, there is only one person whose opinion matters - Milo's. And considering his entire "thing" is about free speech, the idea that anyone on the right is buying this nonsense, specifically packaged to be the very poison pill "free speech" issue that Milo's own side would attack him for is UNFORGIVABLE. Beyond the context of what he said, the fact that you're falling for their shit is unfathomable. Whistling past the graveyard, much ?

I mean, you do realize, the only speech that needs protecting is "unpopular speech", right ? That there is no need to be vigilant about free speech when it only applies to people that are going to unequivocally say "pedophilia is bad" and "any sex between anyone below the age of consent is bad, wrong, and illegal" ?

And to the absolute fool who thinks that being invited to CPAC and then publically UN-invited isn't "scalp hunting", you are ridiculously naive. Like someone who is too pathetically weak and cowardly to admit that going along with the scalp hunting left is, in fact, SCALP HUNTING itself.

And for anyone talking about "Alinsky tactics" on this side, are you kidding me ? This is "make them live up to their own standards" 101, as well as attacking along the front of "the right hates gays" as well. I'm just shocked at how many of you are either too dumb to realize it, or just showing your true colors.

I don't really take issue with Ace's take on this, except to say I'm a bit disappointed that he isn't on the exact same page as I am. That is not to say, defense of Milo, for only being on the same side, but based on both principle and protecting against falling for the age old bullshit from the left.

Posted by: deadrody at February 21, 2017 06:35 AM (vJOFB)

641 624 Well, like they said, now we know what the left will call you when racist/fascist won't stick.
I hope Milo gets his book out somehow. I think he's going to need another one just for tonight.
Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2017 11:54 PM (3gBCr)
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It will be interesting to see if that sticks since he sold a shit ton of pre-orders on Amazon. I see their page for the book is gone, but in my "orders" page it's still there. I guess if the publisher has said they won't publish, Amazon can't exactly have a page to sell it, but I'm curious WTF they're going to do about existing orders. Not sure what they'd be waiting for as an milestone to tell them to refund all the pre-orders.

I'd bet that some publisher out there is willing to make money and not be pussies in the face of the fascist left.

Posted by: deadrody at February 21, 2017 06:39 AM (vJOFB)

642 634 Never trust them homosexuals.
They ain't right in the head.

Politics is politics and that's another matter.
This ain't about politics, it is about kids.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at February 21, 2017 03:24 AM (lQqij)

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Thanks for making my point for me. Dipshit. Milo did not do anything to endanger any kids anywhere. BTW, maybe you missed the irony of using the leftist motto, "It's for the children".

And while I'm on it, there is no such thing as "normalizing" such behaviors as pedophilia or rape. I mean, you do realize you're throwing down with the idiotic lefty trope about "rape culture", don't you ?

There are pedophiles and rapists, and there is everyone else. Nobody that isn't in the first group is going to join because Milo said something you think "normalizes" immoral behavior. Give your fellow humans a little credit. The only way that gets used is by an existing scum trying to deflect blame for their own behavior. And if you would dismiss that excuse out of hand - as you should - then the idea that there is any merit to the excuse is similarly bullshit.

Posted by: deadrody at February 21, 2017 06:44 AM (vJOFB)

643 I have listened to the Milo tape and IMO, he was defending the 13 year old's ability to acknowledge his own gayness but it came off as Milo defending the adults feelings towards the 13 y.o... I believe in the cross talk, Milo missed the comments that ultimately got him in trouble and would have clarified it had he caught it. That said, I was never a fan of CPAC asking him to speak for many reasons. Some in his favor, others not.

Posted by: walknot at February 21, 2017 10:23 AM (FnHBZ)

644 He's just another provocateur; all be it a flamboyant and foreign one. Always curious, there's one guy and one nation they seem skittish about provoking.

Posted by: The Ugly American at February 21, 2017 10:45 AM (bSxRn)

645 The AXS TV channel has a long form interview of Carly Simon by William Shatner. I saw it on demand via Sling TV. This is Carly Simon as in Simon & Schuster, who just canceled Milo's book.

Carly Simon says, and I'm using her language, that she had an affair with a 16 year old boy when she was 8 or 10 years old (I forget which). She spoke of it fondly and at some length.

Posted by: Comment Monster at February 21, 2017 10:51 AM (I9uDD)

646 Strange, the left never disavowed Allen Ginsburg despite his explicit promotion of man-boy sex. He still remains one of their darlings. But now they are all outrageously outraged about Milo.

Posted by: Pervy Grin at February 21, 2017 11:18 AM (t5SJk)

647 One thing I'm particularly good at is unpacking other people's "package deals".

We heard the left's package deal that anybody who voted for Obama in 2008 didn't really vote for him, unless they voted for him in 2012--and then a variation of that unless you voted for Hillary 2016. If you have changed your mind after any point of giving a black president the BoD, then you didn't really vote for Obama in 2008--despite the fact that .... you know ... you did.

We all thought that was stupid. It's stupid to adopt the momentum-driven "package deal" mentality of the left.

Milo is not Trump, Trump is not Milo. Milo's book deal is not a key element in Trump's opportunity and capacity to wield actual executive power and right the ship. Nor is his position at Breitbart--both of which I'm pro on his keeping.

The Conservative Political Action Convention is not similar to the brands of "Stanford" or "Berkeley" which is not supposed to be representative of a single view--especially political, while CPAC obviously is a forum for conservative politics, as defined by the people who fund the convention. The CPAC disinvite =/= book deal =/= Breitbart job.

I mean really, if the campus conservatives at Berkeley had invited Milo to talk about campus issues--and Milo said, "You know what, I've been silent on how much I love black dicks for too long--that you'll have to understand I'm going to do 20 minutes on black dicks." And the conservatives decided nah, we don't think we want that package deal--who's stupid enough to say a disinvite is "censorship"? They didn't invite Huckabee--are we going to get lib-level stupid and say that was "censorship"? Or the conservatives that shut down the Huckabee non-speech are just as bad as those who burned crap and broke windows and forced an emergency evacuation of the speaker?

Does it really get that dumb for the right?

I mean, don't we hate the behavior of the left because they try to force stupid cant on us--simply because it's politically expedient: "Blow jobs aren't sex. So Bill Clinton did not have sex in the Oval Office, liars!"

"When they say it's not about the sex (but the perjury) it's about the sex."

"Any reasonable man would perjure themselves about sex."

Posted by: Axeman at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (2mC6G)

648 To Catch a Predator owes a lot of people apologies for trying to catch people who say that they were only tempted to have sex with young teens (and didn't follow through--even saying that they would never actually do it, you know). Why is it so important to catch these men--sometimes teenagers themselves--if they could mean a willing adolescent girl online who would consent to have sex!!

Isn't that none of anybody's damn business!

Posted by: Axeman at February 21, 2017 12:41 PM (2mC6G)

649 If God has a problem with Milo, God and Milo will work it out. What Milo did when, where and with whom and how he felt about it afterwards is completely irrelevant. It has no effect on my life whatsoever. It has no effect on yours either.

What does have an effect on our lives is the right to free speech. This is clearly an effort to silence Milo. There is no difference between this effort and the throwing of bricks at peaceable assemblers at Berkeley. We should all see this for what it is and act accordingly. If we are in error, that error should be on the side of liberty.

Posted by: Just Saying at February 21, 2017 12:49 PM (OECjg)

650 #649 "If we are in error, that error should be on the side of liberty."

Yes, extremely well said.

Posted by: OCBill at February 21, 2017 01:07 PM (df+Zi)

651 I have never even heard him speak. My daughter often rants about how awful he is and Conservatives are doing themselves no favors supporting him.

While I do have compassion for his humanity, I really can't see why or how child abuse is not condemned more.

His one time support of that, could be repented, could it not?

I don't know, can't we all just get along?

Posted by: me at February 21, 2017 01:25 PM (VoCyE)

652 There is no difference between this effort and the throwing of bricks at peaceable assemblers at Berkeley.
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Yeah, that kind of dumb shit.

Yup NO difference....Except a disinvitation is 1, not against the law, 2 not a safety hazard, 3. causes no property destruction, 4, not a spectacle, 5, can't block traffic, 6, often done at one's own discretion with one's own property, 7, not a failure to peaceably assemble....

Posted by: Axeman at February 21, 2017 02:27 PM (2mC6G)

653 And like that, he was gone.

Posted by: OCBill at February 21, 2017 03:18 PM (uHrT3)

654 In comment #645 above I misstated some facts. The interview with Carly Simon was by Dan Rather not Bill Shatner. It's hard for me to tell the two apart. The interview is no longer available on demand, sudddenly. But it is on iTunes for $3. I downloaded it and watched it again, and:

* Carly Simon was 7 or 8, not 8 or 10, as I previously asserted, when she began having sexual relations with a 16 year old boy.

* Carly Simon did not use the term "affair" as I asserted. But their relationship went on for 2 emotionally charged years, during which Carly had her heart broken because he'd finish with her and go prowling after her older sister.

* The phrase "Boys in the Trees" came up in the interview and you'll never listen to "You Belong to Me" the same way again after listening to this interview.

* The essence of what I asserted is absolutely correct and even more appalling than what I asserted.

I recommend buying the interview on iTunes. It's remarkable for more than this. Carly Simon is a remarkably complex and intelligent person and I'm going to go listen to more than "You're So Vain."

My wife, who watched the interview with me initially, and has been in love with Carly since 9th grade, told me I was crazy to say that she'd said that stuff in the interview because she watched it with me and it didn't happen. It's going to take me a while to recover from being proven right, but with enough unexpected gifts and filling the dishwasher, I'll get back in her good graces. Chicks, man.

Posted by: Comment MOnster at February 21, 2017 09:29 PM (HXsXt)

655 You might like this piece. I looked up the author, and he's written about growing up with "2 mothers." https://stream.org/milo-yiannopoulos-hypocrisy-within-lgbt-community/

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