Thread below the Gardening Thread: Arrividerchi, Roma? [KT]

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Although it is easy to forget with the high drama surrounding Trump's EO, the USA is not the only country dealing with immigration issues. Don't know how it will work out, but this sounds like a sensible concept: Italy unveils plan to better integrate fewer migrants.

More than 500,000 migrants have entered Italy since 2014, and nearly 175,000 asylum seekers are waiting in reception centres.
The Italian government on Wednesday unveiled a series of measures aimed at easing the crush of migrants pouring into the country, including a new push at integration. . .

Apparently, some of the people wanting to get into the country are going to be sent back. Faster than they have been sent back in the past. Arrividerci. And fewer migrants may be coming through Libya to Italy in the future.

Here's something I didn't know: In Italy, Islam does not officially exist.

This month, Italy's Interior Ministry and the country's nine major Islamic associations signed an unprecedented agreement. Muslim organizations agreed to create a registry of their imams and to require them to preach in Italian. In return, the government vowed to "facilitate the path" toward the official recognition of Islam in Italy.

Of course, it is hard to even imagine something like that in the USA. How do you think regional history affects the current Italian approach to migrants? Versus, say, the German approach? Looking to brush up on the history of the Roman Empire? "Rome is such a big topic".

The collapse of the Western Roman Empire has two interesting angles to explore. One is why it lasted so long despite the external stresses and the internal conflict. History books do a good job of covering that material. The other angle is why did the Western Empire collapse when the Eastern Empire continued on? That's a subject that offers some insights into why a thousand years later the West was ready to roar past the rest of humanity.

I'm not quite ready for a civilizational collapse in order to fuel a renaissance a thousand years hence. Do you think the current Italian efforts to get the migrant situation under control will help them hang onto their culture for a little longer?

Here is Nat King Cole singing "Arrividerci, Roma" mostly in Spanish. A rebel before his time. When in Rome, sing in Italian! Hasn't that always been the rule? On the other hand, you might want to invite someone to dance with you. Latin style.

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1 First!
and
"I'm really concerned about Gorsh" - to get that out of the way /s

Posted by: Chuck C at February 11, 2017 11:12 AM (h99GH)

2 Uno!!!

Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 11:13 AM (Om16U)

3 Curses, foiled again!

Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 11:13 AM (Om16U)

4 Fifth!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe at February 11, 2017 11:14 AM (UDXti)

5 Eh!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe at February 11, 2017 11:14 AM (UDXti)

6 4 Fifth!
Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe at February 11, 2017 11:14 AM (UDXti)

*points and laughs*

Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 11:15 AM (Om16U)

7 Nicth Ein!

Oh wait wrong language.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2017 11:16 AM (Rag2N)

8 Top 10?

Posted by: Flyboy at February 11, 2017 11:16 AM (bUjWk)

9 The gypsies are leaving because of Trump?

Posted by: Dazed and Confused at February 11, 2017 11:17 AM (3hIZX)

10 couple of photos of Melania & Mrs Abe

https://twitter.com/melaniasflotus/status/830440323633573889

Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 11:17 AM (Om16U)

11 It's like the Crusades all over again. Except with better food.

Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2017 11:18 AM (2Mnv1)

12
4 Fifth!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe at February 11, 2017 11:14 AM (UDXti)

yay! ( approaches fifth, glass in hand)

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at February 11, 2017 11:18 AM (rIvb0)

13 *points and laughs*

Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 11:15 AM (Om16U)

And here I thought you didn't have a cruel streak!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe at February 11, 2017 11:19 AM (UDXti)

14 The good thing about Europe is that when the tide turns and the deportation starts, they aren't committed to the anchor baby concept. They will round up and eject them too.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 11:19 AM (G8mpq)

15 Oh, on my blog today an interview with Moron Rolf, whose book got optioned by an indy filmmaker.

And scroll down yesterday to my post about Jon Del Arroz, hispanic writer who got blacklisted for voting Trump.

Link in nic

Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 11:19 AM (Om16U)

16 Sounds like the Italian gummint is beginning to get a possible glimmer of a clue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:19 AM (WDdjT)

17 Old and busted: When in Rome, do as the Romans do...

New Moslem Hotness: When in Rome, kill Romans!

Posted by: Don Q. at February 11, 2017 11:19 AM (qf6WZ)

18 And here I thought you didn't have a cruel streak!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe at February 11, 2017 11:19 AM (UDXti)

Just when I am foiled at "first".

Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 11:20 AM (Om16U)

19
"I'm really concerned about Gorsh"

The Riddler?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2017 11:20 AM (IqV8l)

20 Would love to see Italy, especially Rome, some day. But I can't afford a trip to Boston as it stands. Looks like a "staycation" this year. Oh well, at least I finally get paid time off.

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2017 11:20 AM (7qAYi)

21 9. Heh.....good riddance! Lousy, thieving tinkers. The Methodists of Europe.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 11:21 AM (idLmR)

22 The Riddler?

It's a type of stew.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 11:21 AM (G8mpq)

23 Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 11:19 AM (Om16U)

When being black-listed for voting for Trump begins to have a cachet, then we'll know we won bigly!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe at February 11, 2017 11:21 AM (UDXti)

24 Just when I am foiled at "first".

Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 11:20 AM (Om16U)

That does tend to make one a bit "testy"!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe at February 11, 2017 11:22 AM (UDXti)

25 When in Rome be a Roman candle.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2017 11:22 AM (IqV8l)

26 And here I thought you didn't have a cruel streak!
Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe at February 11, 2017 11:19 AM (UDXti)

I read this at first as "cruel steak", which would be well-done and smothered in ketchup.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 11:23 AM (8nWyX)

27 Heh. I just noticed that my hash contains Pres. Trump's initials.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:23 AM (WDdjT)

28 Islam says that nations must accept Islam, but Islamic nations don't allow the practice of other religions, indeed they persecute them.

This means that as soon as Islam is strong enough in any country, other religions will not be allowed to practice. This is unacceptable. Islam should not be recognized as a religion anywhere until Islam accepts the practice of other religions everywhere.

The acceptance of Islam as a one-way street is suicidal. It enables a ratchet that only moves in one direction, toward the rule of Islam over everyone.

Posted by: Mathers at February 11, 2017 11:25 AM (3myMJ)

29 I read this at first as "cruel steak", which would be well-done and smothered in ketchup.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 11:23 AM (8nWyX)

"Gruel steak" is what we had for breakfast before we walked to school in the snow barefoot and against the wind!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:25 AM (UDXti)

30 >>>Do you think the current Italian efforts to get the migrant situation under control will help them hang onto their culture for a little longer?

I assume that's a rhetorical question.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:25 AM (W8bn5)

31 Good morning, you bitter, deplorable clingers.

Blue skies and sunshine. Short-sleeve weather by 9am, with a predicted high in the 80s. I don't know if I can stand much more of this harsh February weather. (Sings: ♩Ooooohhhh!klahoma....)

I've got so many desperate matters which scream for me to be addressing (but my address book crashed), that it ought to be really difficult to be filled with hope and joy, knowing it will all be chilled again tomorrow. But for today... for just now...

Wow, it's a nice, hope-filled, joyous day!

May it be so for you & yours, too

Posted by: mindful webworker hanging on by my fingernails at February 11, 2017 11:26 AM (v6tPi)

32 "Gruel steak" is what we had for breakfast before we walked to school in the snow barefoot and against the wind!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:25 AM (UDXti)

You had it easy! We had to walk uphill, too. Both ways.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:27 AM (WDdjT)

33 *taps chin*

Amazon is asking for my review of Weber's Shadow of Victory. How does two stars grab you?

I wanted to know more about Gold Peak knocking off Mesa as shown in Cauldron of Ghosts. Instead I got treated to yet another telling of the Mobius uprising along with Indy's rebellion. Let's not even talk about the Polish planet on the Verge, all those names made me flee reading about it and did not detract from the story. I did not care at all to know what the Mesan Alignment was doing until Firebrand stumbled into his personal Waterloo, delete that and Mobius and there goes about 15% or 20% of the book. Also delete Lt. Col. Weng until she is introduced to Daud, there goes another 10% of the book.

After this, I am so done with the Honor Harrington series. No more.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2017 11:27 AM (Rag2N)

34 32. You walked? You had feet? Luxury!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 11:28 AM (idLmR)

35 Amazon is asking for my review of Weber's Shadow of Victory. How does two stars grab you?
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Maybe I am one of the only ones, but I did not enjoy the HH series at all. I know a lot of people are very fond of the series, but I just never got it. Weber is a good writer and I have enjoyed a lot of his stuff, but I tried a couple of the HH, and gave up on all of them.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 11:30 AM (MIKMs)

36 "reception centres"
so much more civil than detention cells.

Posted by: socalcon at February 11, 2017 11:31 AM (Roy2Z)

37
"Gruel steak" is what we had for breakfast before we walked to school in the snow barefoot and against the wind!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:25 AM (UDXti)

MY parents were loving and caring. They wrapped my bare feet in barbed wire for traction on the six miles of snow and ice.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at February 11, 2017 11:31 AM (J8/9G)

38 You had it easy! We had to walk uphill, too. Both ways.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:27 AM (WDdjT)

We couldn't even AFFORD a hill in my village!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 11:32 AM (sK2fh)

39 Muslim organizations agreed to create a registry of their imams and to require them to preach in Italian.

I'm sure Italian women will enjoy being groped by Muslim men whose imams preach in Italian so much more than they would being groped by Muslim men whose imams do not preach in Italian.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:32 AM (W8bn5)

40 "Gruel steak" is what we had for breakfast before we walked to school in the snow barefoot and against the wind!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:25 AM (UDXti)

You had it easy! We had to walk uphill, too. Both ways.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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You had schools?

We had to sit in front of the hut and just scratch in the dirt with dull sticks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 11:34 AM (ZO497)

41 i have no desire to visit anything in europe. ever.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 11, 2017 11:36 AM (KP5rU)

42 Inertia has been carrying through the Honor Harrington series for the past few books as I started to skip over more and more of each book because either Weber had already written that section in another book or as with the Mesan Alignment they were so far beyond the pale on evil I really did not want to know about them.

This time? More than half the book in my eyes is garbage. Only reason I even tried to read it is because Amazon had knocked over $2 off the Kindle price. Still wondering if I can ask for a refund.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2017 11:36 AM (Rag2N)

43 Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at February 11, 2017 11:31 AM (J8/9G)

You're lucky, your parents could afford barbed wire! My parents wrapped my feet in poison ivy for the six mile walk through the swamp!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:36 AM (UDXti)

44 "reception centres"
so much more civil than detention cells.

Posted by: socalcon at February 11, 2017 11:31 AM (Roy2Z)

You know, Libya is so dysfunctional right now, that even a fifth-rate power like Italy could probably conquer it. Europe as a whole? Absolutely. So lets have Italy, alone, or in concert with the EU, invade and conquer Libya, and set up a colonial regime. All the bogus "refugees" can settle there, instead, and there will be plenty of work for them. Bonus: Italy gets the oil.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:37 AM (WDdjT)

45 One thing that makes me think humans perhaps did evolve in warmer climes (like Africa) is that they can't walk barefoot in the snow without getting frostbite, whereas other mammals like wolves can.

But chimpanzees and gorillas seem pretty hairy, compared to humans. If you tossed a chimp or a gorilla onto the Alaskan tundra during winter and supplied them with food, would they be able to survive, or would they die of exposure?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:38 AM (W8bn5)

46 >>>"Gruel steak" is what we had for breakfast before we walked to school in the snow barefoot and against the wind!<<<

Who had steak? We had farina and not even the dog would eat it.

Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2017 11:38 AM (2Mnv1)

47 I like the idea of making the imams speak in Italian. It forces the members of the mosque to learn Italian themselves, one step towards assimilation. It also helps non-muslims to hear what the imams are preaching. Although perhaps they preach one sermon in Italian, and then "the real" sermon at another time in another place.

Muslim clerics hide behind language - they say one thing to non-muslims and another thing entirely to muslims. I've heard of inter-faith prayer services where the muslim imam prays in Arabic, and in his prayers, he calls Christ a liar and Christianity a false and dangerous religion. But the nice Methodist minister standing next to him nods and smiles because he has no clue what the imam is saying.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 11:39 AM (bpfzP)

48 i have no desire to visit anything in europe. ever.

Posted by: chavez the hugo

I used to, but I expect it's too far gone to shit now. It would depress me more that I would enjoy it, which would defeat the point.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:39 AM (W8bn5)

Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2017 11:40 AM (2Mnv1)

50 We had to sit in front of the hut and just scratch in the dirt with dull sticks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 11:34 AM (ZO497)

Sticks, you had sticks to scratch with!
We softened sticks in muddy water and ate them for breakfast! Then we used our fingernails to scratch out our lessons on the slate in front of the hut!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:40 AM (UDXti)

51 and set up a colonial regime. All the bogus "refugees" can settle there, instead, and there will be plenty of work for them. Bonus: Italy gets the oil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:37 AM (WDdjT)

+1

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 11:40 AM (sK2fh)

52 I posted this for the nightcrawlers last night but you day walkers might like it, too.

Drudge: Junkie Dolphins

In what can only be described as a youngster doing the 'puff, puff, pass', West Australian dolphins may be using blowfish - or 'blowies' - to get high, scientists have found.

. . . .

She said that in Australia, scientists had seen juveniles mouthing blowies in the Leschenault estuary in WA's South West and a sub-adult dolphin carrying an inflated blowie for a few hours in the Kimberley.

Blowies have a lethal toxin called tetrodotoxin, present in their skin, flesh and internal organs.

If consumed, this toxin can be deadly to predators, including humans.

. . . .

According to the documentary, small doses of the toxin have a narcotic effect and the program considered it as recreational drug use by dolphins.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 11, 2017 11:42 AM (Nwg0u)

53 Hut?!?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 11:42 AM (G8mpq)

54 You know, Libya is so dysfunctional right now, that even a fifth-rate power like Italy could probably conquer it. Europe as a whole? Absolutely. So lets have Italy, alone, or in concert with the EU, invade and conquer Libya, and set up a colonial regime. All the bogus "refugees" can settle there, instead, and there will be plenty of work for them. Bonus: Italy gets the oil.
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That's an intriguing plan.

However, I don't think it works with the Soros plan of "get rid of nations and create a one world government by bringing in billions of Muslims and outbreeding Europeans."

Also... not really sure if the conquer gene still exists in Western Europe.

So.. an interesting idea, but not sure how practical it would be, since Europe seems bent on Suicide by Islam.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 11:42 AM (J5mC3)

55 Local libwit wrote a column today about all the mean people who want to keep refugees out of the country because they're so "afraid." Seems our local Lutheran churches are on board with bringing as many Syrian refugees here as possible.

This same womyn took her two young children to the local Wymyn's March, because of course. Local march was sponsored by Planned Parenthood.

Anyhow, happy Saturday, all!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 11:42 AM (PY9jH)

56 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:37 AM (WDdjT)

I've often thought that a lot of today's problems would not be here if the British Empire had not collapsed!
A benevolent colonial Libya would seem to make a lot of sense!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:43 AM (UDXti)

57 You know, Libya is so dysfunctional right now, that even a fifth-rate power like Italy could probably conquer it. Europe as a whole? Absolutely. So lets have Italy, alone, or in concert with the EU, invade and conquer Libya, and set up a colonial regime. All the bogus "refugees" can settle there, instead, and there will be plenty of work for them. Bonus: Italy gets the oil.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

They could prevent the boats manned by smugglers from entering Italy. Then they could execute the smugglers, and conscript the migrants (who are mostly fighting age men) and tell them, "Help us conquer Libya, and we will make you rulers over the land!" and then sail back to Libya with their new army.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:44 AM (W8bn5)

58 Seems our local Lutheran churches are on board with bringing as many Syrian refugees here as possible.

So .. ELCA then.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 11:44 AM (G8mpq)

59 If you tossed a chimp or a gorilla onto the Alaskan tundra during winter and supplied them with food, would they be able to survive, or would they die of exposure?

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And would they believe in global warming?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 11, 2017 11:44 AM (Nwg0u)

60 Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 11:30 AM Well I enjoyed the *2* HH books by Weber that I read. But it was several months after the first before I read the second one and I have yet to feel any urge to get the third novel. I've found that with a whole lot of authors. I'll buy a novel or 3 that they wrote and enjoy the stories fine, no feeling of having wasted my money or time but also feel like I've had my fill of that author or series and I'll read other stuff at least for year or two.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 11, 2017 11:45 AM (Jen0I)

61 Hut?!?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 11:42 AM (G8mpq)

We called it a hut, but it was really only a pile of dead leaves that acted as a wall.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:45 AM (UDXti)

62 Local libwit wrote a column today about all the mean people who want to keep refugees out of the country because they're so "afraid." Seems our local Lutheran churches are on board with bringing as many Syrian refugees here as possible.

This same womyn took her two young children to the local Wymyn's March, because of course. Local march was sponsored by Planned Parenthood.
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Sigh.

It's the same with a lot of the Catholic Charities.

A woman my Uncle knows from church went to the Wymyn's March; she's a senior citizen and I can't imagine what attracted her to that. Keep forgetting to ask him about it.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 11:45 AM (J5mC3)

63 45. Yep. The natural or original habitat of Man was tropical/savanna. It requires a mastery of a range of technologies to survive and thrive in even a temperate climate. Even the ancients knew this - consensus was that Egypt was just about the perfect environment for humans.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 11:47 AM (idLmR)

64 Can I just say how proud I was this morning to see our FLOTUS, Melania, escorting the Japanese PM's wife through a garden in S. FL?

She looked absolutely lovely, and didn't have a death grip around the PM wife's neck.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 11:47 AM (PY9jH)

65 The true nature of Organized Charities can be analyzed by the old rule "Follow the Money!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:47 AM (UDXti)

66 "So lets have Italy, alone, or in concert with the EU, invade and conquer Libya, and set up a colonial regime."

I think they tried something like that in the run-up to WWII in Ethiopia and failed miserably. Italians just aren't very good at conquering and subjection of other countries, at least not since the Roman Empire.

Posted by: Ripley at February 11, 2017 11:48 AM (1BQGO)

67 This time? More than half the book in my eyes is
garbage. Only reason I even tried to read it is because Amazon had
knocked over $2 off the Kindle price. Still wondering if I can ask for a
refund. Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2017 11:36 AM (Rag2N)
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So, write an honest review (which you can do in your sleep) and demand a refund. Easy-peasy.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 11:49 AM (MIKMs)

68 So.. an interesting idea, but not sure how practical it would be, since Europe seems bent on Suicide by Islam.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 11:42 AM (J5mC3)

It would take another Mussolini, I guess. Someone who could gin up nationalist fervor amongst the Italian people, all the while confining the xenophobia to the muslims, who deserve it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:49 AM (WDdjT)

69 I've often thought that a lot of today's problems would not be here if the British Empire had not collapsed!
A benevolent colonial Libya would seem to make a lot of sense!
Posted by: Hrothgar
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Two world wars within 20 years make it difficult to maintain an empire.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 11:49 AM (NBHj5)

70 In return, the government vowed to "facilitate the path" toward the official recognition of Islam in Italy.
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Can someone remind me how the prophecy of the Popes ends?

Posted by: Methos at February 11, 2017 11:49 AM (3Liv/)

71 Seems our local Lutheran churches are on board with bringing as many Syrian refugees here as possible.

So .. ELCA then.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 11:44 AM (G8mpq)
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That was my first thought too. My cousin is ELCA. I went to church with her one time for a Sunday School Christmas program. You know, with little kids dressed like shepherds and all. It was at the Sunday School Christmas program that my cousin's pastor announced she was a lesbian, and introduced her gay lover to the congregation.

People clapped.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 11:50 AM (bpfzP)

72 20 Would love to see Italy, especially Rome, some day. But I can't afford a trip to Boston as it stands. Looks like a "staycation" this year. Oh well, at least I finally get paid time off.
Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2017 11:20 AM (7qAYi)

I went with a buddy around 12 years ago. It is a beautiful city: especially if you like Art, Architecture, Religious History, Women and rain.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 11:50 AM (92kX2)

73 Muslim organizations agreed to create a registry of their imams and to require them to preach in Italian.

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I thought it was a big deal in Islam that they do their business in Arabic, the language Allah actually speaks.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 11, 2017 11:51 AM (Nwg0u)

74 "Help us conquer Libya, and we will make you rulers over the land!" and then sail back to Libya with their new army.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:44 AM (W8bn5)

Hehe. I like it. Though the last few decades have not been kind to plans that include the concept "so then after we give them a bunch of weapons..."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 11:51 AM (sK2fh)

75 69. Hell, it's a miracle that Europe survived at all. The first one was disastrous, inconceivably so. And the second more or less finished them off.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 11:52 AM (idLmR)

76 Two world wars within 20 years make it difficult to maintain an empire.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 11:49 AM (NBHj5)

The price of Empire isn't cheap. And removing roughly two generations (one per WW) of the alpha males from your native population doesn't help!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:52 AM (UDXti)

77
I think they tried something like that in the run-up to WWII in Ethiopia and failed miserably. Italians just aren't very good at conquering and subjection of other countries, at least not since the Roman Empire.
Posted by: Ripley at February 11, 2017 11:48 AM (1BQGO)

A friend and I have a theory: Countries have Greatness points. Some more than others. Rome spent pretty much every point it had, plus borrowed against the points it would generate for the next 2000 years, at least.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 11:52 AM (92kX2)

78 >>>Can someone remind me how the prophecy of the Popes ends?<<<

Francis opens the barn door?

Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2017 11:53 AM (2Mnv1)

79 Where's the love? The compassion?

Posted by: Jeb! at February 11, 2017 11:53 AM (57R5r)

80

Can someone remind me how the prophecy of the Popes ends?
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"In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. "

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 11:53 AM (J5mC3)

81 I love Italy. I'd go back in a heartbeat. Have been to Rome twice, and still haven't seen everything I want to see.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 11:53 AM (PY9jH)

82 Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 11:50 AM (92kX2)

Italy and Rome are both beautiful, and I'm glad I got to see a bit of it while it was still Italy and Rome.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:54 AM (UDXti)

83 I saw Suicide by Islam open for the Grateful Dead at the Savoy in '68.

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at February 11, 2017 11:54 AM (zwsnd)

84 The other angle is why did the Western Empire collapse when the Eastern Empire continued on? That's a subject that offers some insights into why a thousand years later the West was ready to roar past the rest of humanity.

This leads into one of my favorite articles by my favorite economist, Jesus Huerta de Soto, "Socialism and Decivilization"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z6oex9w

Posted by: Kindltot at February 11, 2017 11:54 AM (ry6W6)

85 Local libwit wrote a column today about all the mean people who want to keep refugees out of the country because they're so "afraid." Seems our local Lutheran churches are on board with bringing as many Syrian refugees here as possible.

This same womyn took her two young children to the local Wymyn's March, because of course. Local march was sponsored by Planned Parenthood.

Anyhow, happy Saturday, all!

Posted by: Jane D'oh

What I don't get, is if they have so much MuzzLove, why not emigrate to a Muslim country, become citizens, and petition the government to admit the refugees there?

Why do they feel the need to inflict Islam on the rest of us? There is something insincere about their concern, since it seems more like a desire to exercise power over others than some personal cause they care about.

Like PETA members who seem to delight in cruelty against their fellow humans more than they care about saving animal lives (which, as it turns out, they don't really).

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:54 AM (W8bn5)

86 I've often thought that a lot of today's problems would not be here if the British Empire had not collapsed!
A benevolent colonial Libya would seem to make a lot of sense!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 11:43 AM (UDXti)

Muslims would actually flourish under a benevolent colonial rule that suppressed the worst excesses of islam. Sure, they would have no vote, but under an islamist dictatorship, they have no vote, either, or at best a sham vote that is worthless.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:54 AM (WDdjT)

87 *sigh*

Italy and the Holy See are two different countries that just happen to share the same city as their capitol.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2017 11:54 AM (Rag2N)

88 Seems our local Lutheran churches are on board with bringing as many Syrian refugees here as possible.

I think just about all denominations are on board with it. Its in their dna

Posted by: MAC-SOG at February 11, 2017 11:55 AM (QPdNE)

89
Why are we supposed to be worried about Gorsuch, because of the unconfirmed report from bloomberg? or something else?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 11, 2017 11:55 AM (ODxAs)

90 69% of Italians have an unfavorable option of Islam? I wonder why that could possibly be?!!.

I think the people who are practicing Catholics and should ask the saints to intercede so that there is revival in the RCC.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2017 11:56 AM (fDdVG)

91 I thought it was a big deal in Islam that they do their business in Arabic, the language Allah actually speaks.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 11, 2017 11:51 AM (Nwg0u)

I always figured that was just typical Arab chauvinism.

But "Islam" isn't really very homogeneous anyways, is it? There's assloads more versions of Islam than Sunni and Shia, and even within all those versions, there's been tons of disagreements over doctrine and jurisprudence stuff over the years.

TL;DR: I'm sure some do, but not all.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 11:57 AM (sK2fh)

92 It would take another Mussolini, I guess. Someone who could gin up nationalist fervor amongst the Italian people, all the while confining the xenophobia to the muslims, who deserve it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:49 AM (WDdjT)

My roots go back to Rome, I'll do it.

First I'll need a few years to learn the frigging language though. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 11, 2017 11:57 AM (aMlLZ)

93 Let's try Mexico.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 11:57 AM (7sBXM)

94 Invaders should be treated like invaders.

Posted by: itsacookbook at February 11, 2017 11:58 AM (yPxXc)

95 So, I can post of Mexico but not Canada?

I'm giving you people the side-eye.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 11:58 AM (7sBXM)

96 People clapped.

It's a dying cult. They are just about out of denominations to merge with to keep their number reasonably meaningful.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 11:58 AM (7sBXM)

97 That was my first thought too. My cousin is ELCA. I went to church with her one time for a Sunday School Christmas program. You know, with little kids dressed like shepherds and all. It was at the Sunday School Christmas program that my cousin's pastor announced she was a lesbian, and introduced her gay lover to the congregation.

People clapped.

Posted by: grammie winger

Of course, for a liberal, the purpose of Sunday School isn't instruction in Christianity. It's an opportunity for indoctrination into liberal pet causes, and normalizing perversion.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (W8bn5)

98 Mr. BTEG loves the Honor Harrington series, but I don't know if he's read all the books.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (FQKBL)

99 I read this at first as "cruel steak", which would be well-done and smothered in ketchup.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 11:23 AM (8nWyX)

If you don't like the crewel steak try the needle-point veal!

Posted by: Kindltot at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (ry6W6)

100 A Purdue University staff member is being investigated after he allegedly threatened to rape pro-life women during an online debate about the campus pro-life club's recent campaign.

http://bit.ly/2kx8j5k

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (bpfzP)

101 I think it has a problem with a lot of proxies/spoofers - since I'm still banned at home I tried to use a country spoofer from Kyrgyzstan as a joke and the site wouldn't even load.

Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (OuELg)

102 A friend and I have a theory: Countries have Greatness points. Some more than others. Rome spent pretty much every point it had, plus borrowed against the points it would generate for the next 2000 years, at least.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 11:52 AM (92kX2)

I think someone stole all our greatness points...

Posted by: Haiti at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (sK2fh)

103 Italy and the Holy See are two different countries that just happen to share the same city as their capitol.
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I'm aware of that.

I just don't figure it works out well for Vatican City when islam becomes the national religion of Italy

Posted by: Methos at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (3Liv/)

104 ciao bella!

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 11, 2017 12:00 PM (WTSFk)

105 Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 11:50 AM (bpfzP)

We had a pastor in my denomination who announced that she was going on a cruise with her male lover and they were sharing the same cabin. This was some years ago, but she couldn't understand why anyone would be upset at her either announcing it or doing it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2017 12:00 PM (fDdVG)

106 First I'll need a few years to learn the frigging language though. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 11, 2017 11:57 AM (aMlLZ)

Just shout loudly, and wave your hands a lot.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 12:00 PM (WDdjT)

107
99 I read this at first as "cruel steak", which would be well-done and smothered in ketchup.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 11:23 AM (8nWyX)

If you don't like the crewel steak try the needle-point veal!

Posted by: Kindltot at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (ry6W6)

And don't forget to tip your seamstress!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 11, 2017 12:00 PM (cuZZW)

108 Islam should not be recognized as a religion

Let me get you a period there .

They can try again after ret-conning everything after Mo leaves Medina? Say he was bewitched by da debbil but no more blaming da JOOOS.

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2017 12:00 PM (8J/Te)

109 My roots go back to Rome, I'll do it.

First I'll need a few years to learn the frigging language though. lol
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 11, 2017 11:57 AM (aMlLZ)

First, do you talk with your hands? Have you shaken your fist at a guy? Have you ever gotten so pissed you could feel your eyes bulging in your skull over something of, shall we say, less than monumental importance?

If so, you are already half way there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 12:00 PM (92kX2)

110 grazie mille

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 11, 2017 12:00 PM (WTSFk)

111 whatsamatta u

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 11, 2017 12:01 PM (WTSFk)

112 I'm not quite ready for a civilizational collapse in order to fuel a renaissance a thousand years hence.

Chillax, I'm on it.

Posted by: Hari Seldon at February 11, 2017 12:01 PM (vBeA5)

113 whatsamatta u

Ah, my alma mater.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 12:02 PM (7sBXM)

114 Italy, alone, or in concert with the EU, invade and conquer Libya, and set up a colonial regime.

Cause it worked so well next door.

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2017 12:02 PM (8J/Te)

115 Of course, for a liberal, the purpose of Sunday
School isn't instruction in Christianity. It's an opportunity for
indoctrination into liberal pet causes, and normalizing perversion.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (W8bn5)
=======================

I was absolutely stunned. Not just by the fact that the pastor apparently had a live-in gay lover. But by the appalling lack of judgment as to the appropriateness of time, setting, and audience. I think she's a nitwit. In addition to being Biblically out-of-whack.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:02 PM (bpfzP)

116 whatsamatta u
Posted by: musical jolly chimp

Frostbite Falls is lovely this time of year.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at February 11, 2017 12:02 PM (QDr6b)

117 Grammie, that's a story from last year, unless there was an update. I never heard if that guy got arrested like he should have.

Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at February 11, 2017 12:02 PM (OuELg)

118 Bonus: Italy gets the oil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 11:37 AM (WDdjT)

You have heard my theory on France, Spain and Holland invading Venezuela through the bridgehead of Curacao, under the pretext of human rights and nation building, right?

Posted by: Kindltot at February 11, 2017 12:03 PM (ry6W6)

119 I think she's a nitwit. In addition to being Biblically out-of-whack.

Many will be shocked when Jesus says 'I never knew you'.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 11, 2017 12:04 PM (7sBXM)

120 We had a pastor in my denomination who announced
that she was going on a cruise with her male lover and they were sharing
the same cabin. This was some years ago, but she couldn't understand
why anyone would be upset at her either announcing it or doing it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2017 12:00 PM (fDdVG)
=======================

This just astounds me. No words.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:04 PM (bpfzP)

121
I'm not quite ready for a civilizational collapse in order to fuel a renaissance a thousand years hence.

Chillax, I'm on it.
Posted by: Hari Seldon

I knew you were going to say that.

Posted by: The Mule at February 11, 2017 12:04 PM (IqV8l)

122 "Failure as a way of life" piece from on the elitist political establishment linked in nic. I think I'll read the guy's book: it sounds really good.

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at February 11, 2017 12:04 PM (adsVM)

123 If you speak non-Mexican Spanish, you stand half a chance of understanding Italian.

Broseidon, will have it to you this weekend. Once I stop spazzing out about rewriting.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2017 12:04 PM (Rag2N)

124 I think just about all denominations are on board with it. Its in their dna
Posted by: MAC-SOG
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There is a Biblical imperative to care for the alien in your midst. Which is a good thing, unless the alien is intent upon destruction of Christianity. Therein lies the difficulty.

Those people which are so welcoming believe that the kindly refugees are just nice folks, because the nice folks say that they are just nice folks.

Besides, the call to prayer is such a beautiful sound...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:05 PM (ZO497)

125 http://bit.ly/2kx8j5k

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (bpfzP)

That shiny chrome dome would make an excelent target for a sniper, wouldn't it? Creep looks like James Carville.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 12:05 PM (WDdjT)

126 Grammie, that's a story from last year, unless there was an update. I never heard if that guy got arrested like he should have.

Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at February 11, 2017 12:02 PM (OuELg)
==========================

From last year? Oh - didn't see that. Sorry, it popped up on my LifeSite news feed. With any luck, they're still , er , interrogating him. Wink. Nod.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:06 PM (bpfzP)

127 The only people who fear Islam are people who fear gunshot wounds, machete attacks, being run over by motor vehicles, poison gas, bombs, airplanes used as bombs, train derailments, nuclear explosions, being thrown off buildings, crucifixions, amputations . . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 11, 2017 12:06 PM (Nwg0u)

128 This just astounds me. No words.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:04 PM (bpfzP)

Heterosexuality? Shocking! If she'd have announced she was going on a cruise with her lesbian lover, there would have been no eyebrows raised.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 12:08 PM (WDdjT)

129 Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM
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When I was caught in an ISP ban, I used Hoxx VPN Proxy, which is an add on for Firefox. Worked quite well.

Then after a few weeks... I'm unbanned just as mysteriously as I was banned.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 12:08 PM (J5mC3)

130 On our first trip to Italy (I had been there as a child while my dad was in the AF), husband and I had read a novel based in Rome, where one of the female characters kept making the "okay" sign with her fingers when being asked something.

The "okay" thing translates to "you're an asshole" in Italy. It's like giving someone the finger here.

I swear, for some freaking reason, neither one of us could stop doing it! We were ordering gelato, and the lady behind the counter asked us if we liked it, and my husband smiled and gave her the "okay" sign.

Yeesh. I could have died.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:08 PM (PY9jH)

131 89: Because the FNM, dumb as they are, are still pretty good at manipulating conservatives. So they have run stories about G telling Blumenthal that he was "demoralized that Trump called out the Seattle judge" -- sourced from lying Blumenthal. And also G is Episcopalian and remained a member of a leftist leaning congregation in Boulder.

They hope that if conservatives get scared about Gorsuch they can keep him from being confirmed and it will be a morale boosting victory even if the 2nd choice is also conservative. We have been burned by Roberts and other R appointed judges so we are of course leery, but when the FNM is trying to convince me that I should distrust Gorsuch, then *I* assume they really fear him and going all in on the psy-ops against him.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 11, 2017 12:08 PM (Jen0I)

132 >>>Many will be shocked when Jesus says 'I never knew you'.<<<

And Jesus thusly spake, "Don't ask, don't tell." -- Bible studies on CNN

Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2017 12:09 PM (2Mnv1)

133 Besides, the call to prayer is such a beautiful sound...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:05 PM (ZO497)

Non-muslims should hijack that shit. Blare that stupid ass muezzin across town? And the jackass government won't shut it down? Drop to your knees and give me 20 hail marys, soldier. Right on the spot, whatever you're doing. Or whatever your preferred method of communing with the Almighty is.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:09 PM (sK2fh)

134 I once had a girlfriend of Italian decent who waved her hands when she spoke. Every now and then I'd grab her hands when she spoke and she'd stop talking.

Square biz.

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at February 11, 2017 12:09 PM (zwsnd)

135 The only people who fear Islam are people who fear gunshot wounds, machete attacks, being run over by motor vehicles, poison gas, bombs, airplanes used as bombs, train derailments, nuclear explosions, being thrown off buildings, crucifixions, amputations . . . .
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free!

...decapitations, stoning, rape, child-rape, incest, being stuffed in a cage and burned alive...

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at February 11, 2017 12:09 PM (QDr6b)

136 The only people who fear Islam are people who fear gunshot wounds, machete attacks

Again with this irrational, racist fear of machete attacks. The machete is an *agricultural implement*.

Posted by: The OSU Office of Diversity and Sustainability at February 11, 2017 12:09 PM (10LGw)

137 If you speak non-Mexican Spanish, you stand half a chance of understanding Italian.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2017 12:04 PM (Rag2N)

Northern Italy, it sounds like Spanish that was sat on too hard. Forget about Sicily.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 11, 2017 12:10 PM (ry6W6)

138 For fluffy from last thread- really orange tea - rooibos is quite robust and is an orange red color.. South African tea.

Posted by: Nicole at February 11, 2017 12:10 PM (byoOB)

139 There is a Biblical imperative to care for the alien in your midst.
Which is a good thing, unless the alien is intent upon destruction of
Christianity. Therein lies the difficulty
==================================

Absolutely. Sometimes I feel I'm walking a tightrope here. I too am a stranger and an alien. I am not in my home country. The Jews were often not in their home country, and were in need of protection and sustenance. I am commanded to do the same. Widows, orphans, aliens and strangers in your midst, for I am the Lord your God who brought you up from Egypt.

I wrestle with this everyday.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:10 PM (bpfzP)

140 I just heard Sen John Hoeven(R-ND) utter the worst curse word I've ever heard....BIPARTISAN

Posted by: Under Fire at February 11, 2017 12:10 PM (57R5r)

141 '''Los Angeles Times: California submits a $100-billion wish list of infrastructure projects to Trump for federal funding"

hahahaha

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 12:11 PM (J5mC3)

142 And yeah, that creep looks like he has some of the James Carville alien DNA.

Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at February 11, 2017 12:11 PM (OuELg)

143 I think Pope Francis will get an unpleasant karmic surprise one day. Year after year he will look out upon Rome as it turns into Little Aleppo and smile benevolently. "Ah, we are becoming more diverse!". Then, one day, he will be given the Daniel Pearl treatment, and Islam will declare victory over Christianity. I believe that to many Muslims, Catholicism is synonymous with Christianity, so that would be a big win for them.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 12:12 PM (W8bn5)

144 I mentioned on a dead thread yesterday, that I was filling my car and the local imam pulled up next to me with his wife in the car with him.

He is one scary looking dude. And she is "lovely."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:12 PM (PY9jH)

145 I took some hot dogs out of the freezer this morning to defrost for dinner, but changed my mind & decided to make kielbasa instead. Is it OK to refreeze the hot dogs?

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2017 12:12 PM (7qAYi)

146 Forget about Sicily.
Posted by: Kindltot at February 11, 2017 12:10 PM (ry6W6)

Sicilian isn't even Italian. It's like catalan vs. castillan spanish. Linguistic cousins, but Sicilian and Sardi are technically different languages. I guess the closest analog to English would be Faroese? I dunno.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:12 PM (sK2fh)

147 I just heard Sen John Hoeven(R-ND) utter the worst curse word I've ever heard....BIPARTISAN

Posted by: Under Fire at February 11, 2017 12:10 PM (57R5r)

And the masks just keep on coming off!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 12:13 PM (UDXti)

148 I mentioned on a dead thread yesterday, that I was filling my car and the local imam pulled up next to me with his wife in the car with him.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Only one wife? What is he, a homo?

Posted by: Mohammad at February 11, 2017 12:13 PM (QDr6b)

149 Absolutely. Sometimes I feel I'm walking a tightrope here. I too am a stranger and an alien. I am not in my home country. The Jews were often not in their home country, and were in need of protection and sustenance. I am commanded to do the same. Widows, orphans, aliens and strangers in your midst, for I am the Lord your God who brought you up from Egypt.

I wrestle with this everyday.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:10 PM (bpfzP)

Giving aid and comfort to strangers is not the same thing as giving aid and comfort to invaders. And if you cannot determine which is which, then assume "invader".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 12:14 PM (WDdjT)

150 139. All the nomadic peoples seem to have very strong rules about hospitality and the treatment of strangers, which makes sense. What they don't have is an imperative to allow themselves to be taken over by them. We've forgotten that last part.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 12:14 PM (idLmR)

151 Is it OK to refreeze the hot dogs?

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2017 12:12 PM (7qAYi)

Sure , just don't eat em

Posted by: MAC-SOG at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (QPdNE)

152 why did the Western Empire collapse when the Eastern Empire continued
on? That's a subject that offers some insights into why a thousand years
later the West was ready to roar past the rest of humanity.

That's a very weighty subject. Did you mean to venture an opinion? Me, I think it's because overly centralized and stultified civilizations do well for a while, then collapse catastrophically because they're unable to adapt to new situations. Rome was calcified. So was Byzantium, but maybe less so, at least for another 1000 years.

Posted by: pep at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (LAe3v)

153 I think there's a difference between caring for the alien in your midst, and inviting more aliens in to care for, when you can't support the widows and orphans you already have.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (FQKBL)

154 Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 12:11 PM (J5mC3)

"My friendsh, we need to reach across the aisle..." Juan McCain

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (UDXti)

155 I wrestle with this everyday.
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I try to keep in mind that they're not coming to the West out of desperation, but seeking the free handouts our countries are selling our children into debt bondage to provide.

Posted by: Methos at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (3Liv/)

156 I freaking love rooibos btw. If anyone's in the NE US and lives near a Wegmans, their store-brand pre-packaged rooibos is actually not terrible. And it's one of the only consistent brands i've found that isn't flavored with some awful fake vanilla or citrus or some other flavor.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (sK2fh)

157 I dunno.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:12 PM (sK2fh)

Dutch? Scots?

I didn't realize Sicilian was a unique language. Only that these really excited people were completely unintelligible.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (ry6W6)

158 I mentioned on a dead thread yesterday, that I was filling my car and
the local imam pulled up next to me with his wife in the car with him.
============================

I only know of one mosque in my area, and they're Albanian. They look totally westernized to me. The girl who used to cut my hair was Albanian muslim. She could not say enough good things about America. Bleached hair, skinny jeans, piercings, make-up to the hilt. Loved that girl.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (bpfzP)

159 I think someone stole all our greatness points...
Posted by: Haiti at February 11, 2017 11:59 AM (sK2fh)

IIRC Haiti is the only nation that was born from a successful slave revolt, which is noteworthy.

That hasn't made it any nicer on the people who live there since about forever, but it might come in handy on a quiz show or something.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (8nWyX)

160 >>The only people who fear Islam are people who fear gunshot wounds,
machete attacks, being run over by motor vehicles, poison gas, bombs,
airplanes used as bombs, train derailments, nuclear explosions, being
thrown off buildings, crucifixions, amputations . . . .

You forgot rape, including gang-rape, child rape, sexual slavery...

Posted by: Malmo, Cologne, Rotterham... at February 11, 2017 12:16 PM (NOIQH)

161 I took some hot dogs out of the freezer this morning to defrost for dinner, but changed my mind & decided to make kielbasa instead. Is it OK to refreeze the hot dogs?

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2017 12:12 PM (7qAYi)

I've refrozen hot dogs and I'm still alive. But why bother refreezing them, anyway? Just throw them in the refrigerator. They'll be fine in there for a good, long time.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 12:17 PM (zc3Db)

162 Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (8nWyX)

For some definitions of "successful".

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2017 12:17 PM (UDXti)

163
I think there's a difference between caring for the alien in your midst,
and inviting more aliens in to care for, when you can't support the
widows and orphans you already have.

Posted by: Barb at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (FQKBL)
===============

Good point. And one thing I think churches should avoid is taking in refugees and expecting the State to care for them. No - you take them, then they are your family. Not the governments.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:18 PM (bpfzP)

164 Loved that girl.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (bpfzP)

Did she do that string thingy on the eyebrows?

Posted by: MAC-SOG at February 11, 2017 12:18 PM (QPdNE)

165 I think there's a line between being charitable and being foolish. Giving to the truly needy (whether it's money or time) is a good thing, but if you give everything away and then your own family becomes needy, I think that's foolish.

Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at February 11, 2017 12:18 PM (OuELg)

166
I only know of one mosque in my area, and they're Albanian. They look totally westernized to me. The girl who used to cut my hair was Albanian muslim. She could not say enough good things about America. Bleached hair, skinny jeans, piercings, make-up to the hilt. Loved that girl.
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I worked with two Muslims in my former job-- one was a Turk who drank liquor, the other was black and claimed to be a Sufi. I wouldn't consider either one dangerous, and both had daughters in college.

I think the key to this is to figure out who is a practicing and non-practicing Mulsim. I suspect many in the US are what we'd term non-practicing.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 12:18 PM (J5mC3)

167 I once had a girlfriend of Italian decent who waved her hands when she spoke. Every now and then I'd grab her hands when she spoke and she'd stop talking.
Posted by: 1921
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I wonder if that would work with Bernie?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:19 PM (ZO497)

168 Hot dogs have a shelf life just short of a Twinky.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 11, 2017 12:19 PM (57R5r)

169 That hasn't made it any nicer on the people who live there since about forever, but it might come in handy on a quiz show or something.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (8nWyX)

Thing is, they were so habituated to being slaves, that they simply exchanged one set of masters for another, a situation which persists to this day.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 12:19 PM (WDdjT)

170
Absolutely. Sometimes I feel I'm walking a tightrope here. I too am a stranger and an alien. I am not in my home country. The Jews were often not in their home country, and were in need of protection and sustenance. I am commanded to do the same. Widows, orphans, aliens and strangers in your midst, for I am the Lord your God who brought you up from Egypt.

I wrestle with this everyday.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:10 PM (bpfzP)

Apparently it is only an idiomatic statement, but taking a viper to one's bosom is fitting here, I think. Yes, we need to be compassionate to help those in need. But it seems that the ones in need are not being helped-the Yazidis and the Christians in the Middle East, who are being terrorized. The demographics of the majority of "refugees" being brought in fit the profile for active terrorists: 15-40, male, single. Those are the fighters in these imbroglios, not the victims. If the government was bringing in primarily women and children, that would be one thing-and even then, they should be vetted out the wazzou, just as we would vet for immigrant visas, which is essentially what we are issuing.

God calls us to be compassionate, but He doesn't call us to be idiots.

Posted by: moki at February 11, 2017 12:19 PM (gfRCk)

171
Here's the follow up article about the guy who threatened rape:

http://tinyurl.com/hqdox34

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at February 11, 2017 12:20 PM (NqQAS)

172 Did she do that string thingy on the eyebrows?

Posted by: MAC-SOG at February 11, 2017 12:18 PM (QPdNE)
===================================

No, I've only seen that once. Still trying to figure that out.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:21 PM (bpfzP)

173 I once had a girlfriend of Italian decent who waved her hands when she spoke. Every now and then I'd grab her hands when she spoke and she'd stop talking.

Square biz.

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at February 11, 2017 12:09 PM (zwsnd)

I noticed the chicks seem to do that more. Usually its the ones where English is their second language. The American born English speaking ones don't seem to do that much. The chicks though, yeah it don't matter. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 11, 2017 12:21 PM (aMlLZ)

174 Good point. And one thing I think churches should avoid is taking in refugees and expecting the State to care for them. No - you take them, then they are your family. Not the governments.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:18 PM (bpfzP)

Yep. To the extent that I know anything about it, nowhere does the Lord command us to pull a Robin Hood. It's not "rob from the rich and give to the poor". It's just "give to the poor"

That "gift" may be succor and shelter. it may be nothing more than kindness. But it isn't "Christian" to just leave your door unlocked at night, and it sure as shinola isn't "Christian" to unlock your neighbor's door at night and fling it wide open and then go back to your own house and back to bed.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:21 PM (sK2fh)

175 I try to keep in mind that they're not coming to the West out of desperation,

Even if they were, so what? There are lots of other places for them to take their desperation. THey don't belong here, desperate or not.

but seeking the free handouts our countries are selling our children into debt bondage to provide.

Posted by: Methos at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (3Liv/)

That's part of it. THey want to come here because we are civilized. They want to come here because we are wealthy - and not oil-wealthy (i.e. by luck and the good graces of someone else). They want to come here because we have made life better. But they want to come here and take advantage of what our cultures have done while changing us to be more like their cultures, that they're running away from. They're coming here as part of an invasion, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 12:21 PM (zc3Db)

176 Ahhhh...another weekend.
And here I find myself with $42 in my pocket and guess what HOLLYWOOD? I won't be spending it on one of your BS movies.
This will be 10 weekends in a row.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 11, 2017 12:21 PM (0tfLf)

177 I freaking love rooibos btw. If anyone's in the NE
US and lives near a Wegmans, their store-brand pre-packaged rooibos is
actually not terrible. And it's one of the only consistent brands i've
found that isn't flavored with some awful fake vanilla or citrus or some
other flavor.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (sK2fh)

I love it as well. Kroger's Private Selection brand is excellent.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:21 PM (PY9jH)

178 He doesn't call us to be idiots.

Posted by: moki at February 11, 2017 12:19 PM (gfRCk)
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Just my luck. I'm practically an expert at idiot.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:22 PM (bpfzP)

179 I think the key to this is to figure out who is a practicing and non-practicing Mulsim. I suspect many in the US are what we'd term non-practicing.
Posted by: shibumi
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Thus, 'assimilated'. One cannot adhere to the strictest tenets of Islam and simultaneously accept American culture. I mean, even the Mormons had to adapt.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:22 PM (ZO497)

180 163
I think there's a difference between caring for the alien in your midst,
and inviting more aliens in to care for, when you can't support the
widows and orphans you already have.

Posted by: Barb at February 11, 2017 12:15 PM (FQKBL)
===============

Good point. And one thing I think churches should avoid is taking in refugees and expecting the State to care for them. No - you take them, then they are your family. Not the governments.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:18 PM (bpfzP)

I understand, I often feel that way. But remember, in addition to being as gentle as lambs, we also must be as wise as serpents.

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2017 12:22 PM (7qAYi)

181 Yes, we need to be compassionate to help those in need.

But if we bring them here, we're either forcing them to adopt our ways, which is imperialistic, or we're allowing them to keep their ways, in which case some is bound to leak into our culture, and we'll be appropriating theirs.

No, the only solution is to keep them in their home country and provide them with assistance there.

Posted by: pep at February 11, 2017 12:23 PM (LAe3v)

182 Absolutely. Sometimes I feel I'm walking a tightrope here. I too am a stranger and an alien. I am not in my home country. The Jews were often not in their home country, and were in need of protection and sustenance. I am commanded to do the same. Widows, orphans, aliens and strangers in your midst, for I am the Lord your God who brought you up from Egypt.

I wrestle with this everyday.

Posted by: grammie winger

Yes, but you did not think, "These filthy kuffir do not eat lutefisk! Uffda! I will keel them!". Likewise most Jews assimilate pretty much seamlessly (although the left wing numbskulls, like my father, piss me off).

When you talk about the stranger, the orphan and the widow, you are taking that from the OT, I believe. Well, the OT also had very strict laws against other religions, so that (in Deut) even if your brother said, "come worship other gods with me", that was a capital offense.

That is just to say that I think that when the OT says to be compassionate to the alien and the widow, there is an implicit assumption that these will not be people whose values are diametrically opposed to those of your society. I also think that ancient Israel did not have the options like we have, of for example brokering a deal with an Islamic nation to set up camps for real refugees until the conflict ends, and rewarding them financially for their troubles.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 12:23 PM (W8bn5)

183 Here's the follow up article about the guy who threatened rape:

http://tinyurl.com/hqdox34
Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at February 11, 2017 12:20 PM (NqQAS)

As reprehensible and scum like as this douchebag is, I actually appreciate that these assholes have dropped the mask of civility and just openly spew the hatred from which it all comes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 12:24 PM (92kX2)

184 isn't "Christian" to unlock your neighbor's door at
night and fling it wide open and then go back to your own house and
back to bed.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:21 PM (sK2fh)
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Great illustration. Thank you.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:24 PM (bpfzP)

185
Just my luck. I'm practically an expert at idiot.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:22 PM (bpfzP)

grammie, honey, you are far from an idiot! I think of you as that Proverbs 31 woman, and I would aspire to be that!

Posted by: moki at February 11, 2017 12:25 PM (gfRCk)

186 Yes, but you did not think, "These filthy kuffir do not eat lutefisk! Uffda! I will keel them!"
========================

You don't know that.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:25 PM (bpfzP)

187
I just heard Sen John Hoeven(R-ND) utter the worst curse word I've ever heard....BIPARTISAN

Is that the B from LGBTQRZ?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2017 12:26 PM (IqV8l)

188 186 Yes, but you did not think, "These filthy kuffir do not eat lutefisk! Uffda! I will keel them!"
========================

You don't know that.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:25 PM (bpfzP)

If lutefisk is right, I am ok with being wrong.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 12:27 PM (92kX2)

189 Moki - you are too sweet. While we're on the subject, what would a Proverbs 31 woman do, if she and her husband were on the Paleo Diet, and she just found an entire bag of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups hidden in his nightstand drawer? There's got to be a verse for this.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:28 PM (bpfzP)

190 189 Moki - you are too sweet. While we're on the subject, what would a Proverbs 31 woman do, if she and her husband were on the Paleo Diet, and she just found an entire bag of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups hidden in his nightstand drawer? There's got to be a verse for this.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:28 PM (bpfzP)

To everything there is a season?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 12:28 PM (92kX2)

191 >>>I freaking love rooibos btw.

Me amoros marco rooibos, aussi. That is, until he turned against me!

Posted by: &iecxl;Jeb! at February 11, 2017 12:29 PM (W8bn5)

192 Italy is a toilet and Libya is a port-o-potty.

They deserve each other.

Mussolini is spinning on his lamp post.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 11, 2017 12:29 PM (5VlCp)

193 While we're on the subject, what would a Proverbs 31 woman do, if she and her husband were on the Paleo Diet, and she just found an entire bag of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups hidden in his nightstand drawer? There's got to be a verse for this.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:28 PM (bpfzP)

Eat them all. What's he going to do, ask why they're missing?

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 12:29 PM (8nWyX)

194 If lutefisk is right, I am ok with being wrong.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 12:27 PM (92kX2)

if i'm not mistaken, "Lutefisk" comes from the islandic word "Bleeeeeeearrrrchhhh!" which roughly translates to "Bleeeeeearrrrrchhh!" in English. Probably mid-13th to 14th-century in origin.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:30 PM (sK2fh)

195 189 Moki - you are too sweet. While we're on the subject, what would a Proverbs 31 woman do, if she and her husband were on the Paleo Diet, and she just found an entire bag of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups hidden in his nightstand drawer? There's got to be a verse for this.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:28 PM (bpfzP)

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I believe God called for moderation in all things.

My husband said to quote the verse, "Sharing is Caring" Hezekiah 4:8.

Posted by: moki at February 11, 2017 12:30 PM (gfRCk)

196 We had a pastor in my denomination who announced
that she was going on a cruise with her male lover and they were sharing
the same cabin. This was some years ago, but she couldn't understand
why anyone would be upset at her either announcing it or doing it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2017 12:00 PM (fDdVG)

Now, if it had been her lesbian lover, that would be different.

Posted by: Toad-O at February 11, 2017 12:30 PM (cct0t)

197 Eat them all. What's he going to do, ask why they're missing?

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 12:29 PM (8nWyX)
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Perfect !

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:30 PM (bpfzP)

198 I am becoming wearisome about this, but if you haven't read 'The Camp of the Saints', you ought to. It's pretty damned frightening. A novel, written in 1973 !

Excerpt from a review:
Abandon any thoughts of "political correctness" when reading this book. It presents the reality of the world's population rather than a Utopia of the brotherhood of mankind. As a a non-white character from the book, Monsieur Hamadura, who has embraced France and its culture points out, it's not only race that matters, but the whole common culture, language, and heritage that is threatened by a massive influx of people of other backgrounds. The message and the warning presented is: in a war of the haves versus the have-nots, it is the haves who will lose if they are unwilling or unable to defend themselves against the invaders.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:31 PM (ZO497)

199 The message and the warning presented is: in a war of the haves versus the have-nots, it is the haves who will lose if they are unwilling or unable to defend themselves against the invaders.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:31 PM (ZO497)

Sounds a lot like Camus.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:32 PM (sK2fh)

200
Why are we supposed to be worried about Gorsuch...

Those are our orders from Fake News, that's why.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLE at February 11, 2017 12:33 PM (GzOxe)

201 The message and the warning presented is: in a war of the haves versus the have-nots, it is the haves who will lose if they are unwilling or unable to defend themselves against the invaders.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:31 PM (ZO497)

Just substitute "Rebel" for "Invader"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:33 PM (sK2fh)

202 My husband said to quote the verse, "Sharing is Caring" Hezekiah 4:8.

Posted by: moki at February 11, 2017 12:30 PM (gfRCk)
=================================

Yes. You're right - I could go with that. However, I'm going to have to go with the book of Mark. Somewhere it says in there that "You have to fit into your black suit because my son Mark is getting married in June."

I told him he's going to look awesome.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:34 PM (bpfzP)

203
When the Fake News declares someone "controversial" or, even worse, "embattled," it's time for the Right to panic and cower.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLE at February 11, 2017 12:34 PM (GzOxe)

204 The weather here is absolutely beautiful today. Low 70's, sunny.

And my spring allergies are killing me.

Ah, well. Steeling myself to go to Sam's Club.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:35 PM (PY9jH)

205
Ah, well. Steeling myself to go to Sam's Club.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:35 PM (PY9jH)

I'm jealous. We only have Costco up here, and I don't really like it. I miss Sam's.

Posted by: moki at February 11, 2017 12:35 PM (gfRCk)

206
We will never understand why Republicans think the only antidote to ALL the Democrats being against them is...compromise.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLE at February 11, 2017 12:36 PM (GzOxe)

207 "embattled"

Holy crap, I hate that word. YOU'RE the dingleberries causing the battle! YOU'RE the dinguses who are lying to create a fake controversy!

so much hate.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:37 PM (sK2fh)

208 Moki, I've never even been in a Costco. Wish we had one here. Our Sam's Club isn't bad, but Saturdays are crazy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:37 PM (PY9jH)

209 Ah, well. Steeling myself to go to Sam's Club.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Do you have to negotiate a gauntlet of human land-masses like you do at Costco?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at February 11, 2017 12:37 PM (QDr6b)

210 Gardening Thread is up for romantic types. And farmers.

Posted by: KT at February 11, 2017 12:38 PM (qahv/)

211 Sounds a lot like Camus.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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I was told that there would be no Existentialist overtones in this thread. Or undertones.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:39 PM (ZO497)

212 When the Fake News declares someone "controversial" or, even worse, "embattled," it's time for the Right to panic and cower.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLE at February 11, 2017 12:34 PM (GzOxe)

Hardly. Just go look at Kelly Ayotte's "explanation" of what was said. She is representing Gorsuch and did not deny that he was quoted accurately. All she added was:

"it's important to clarify that the judge's comments were not about a specific case. They were more generic about comments from any source that do not go to the merits of the case and that he felt very strongly about the independence of the judiciary."

But the judiciary is not really "independent" in that way. Judges can be impeached and tossed off the bench - as many of them certainly should be. That is the interconnection between the judiciary and Congress where it is made clear that the judiciary does not have the last word on what is or isn't Constitutional. Congress has the same task of defending the Constitution - against rogue and retarded judges - as the judiciary has.

What Gorsuch said (that neither he nor his representative Ayotte have denied in any way) was retarded and gratuitous. The other branches of government have responsibilities with respect to an out-of-control judiciary ... that the Congress has, sadly, never even tried to live up to.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 12:41 PM (zc3Db)

213 Do you have to negotiate a gauntlet of human land-masses like you do at Costco?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at February 11, 2017 12:37 PM (QDr6b)

Yes. And Walmart is next door, so......

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:41 PM (PY9jH)

214 Well, time to go meet the day. I am messing with my TR6. I had to cut the ignition switch out of it. They fastened it to the bottom of the steerin column with "security screws", the heads of which snap off once torqued up. Of course, being british, the screws worked loose. But still can't be unscrewed. And the ignition switch was in a very awkward location; pretty much had to reach through the steering wheels to operate it. So it's going to get a "generic" ignition switch in a blank spot in the lower dash amongst the heater controls.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 12:41 PM (WDdjT)

215
I was told that there would be no Existentialist overtones in this thread. Or undertones.
--

I got to have an early midlife crisis and got through it by reading existential literature.

Actually outed myself as an existentialist to my boss the other day. He seemed to take it well.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 12:42 PM (J5mC3)

216 We will never understand why Republicans think the only antidote to ALL the Democrats being against them is...compromise.

Posted by: Soothsayer
-------------

It is generally in conservatives DNA to be polite and accommodating. The Left know this, and are quick and adept at taking advantage. An easy thing to do when you yourself are unprincipled, and the ends justify the means.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:43 PM (ZO497)

217 211. Hell, we've got neo-Heideggerian ventriloquist's dummies:

https://youtu.be/lxplpDKx_Qk

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 12:43 PM (idLmR)

218 Of course, being british, the screws worked loose.
But still can't be unscrewed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 12:41 PM (WDdjT)

Our resident shelving expert, Shelvey, knows all about screws. I'm sure he could offer you some advice.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:43 PM (PY9jH)

219 oops.

Hello, Barrel.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:44 PM (PY9jH)

220 Yes. And Walmart is next door, so......

Posted by: Jane D'oh

You could make a killing selling supplemental insurance for mobility scooter accidents.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at February 11, 2017 12:45 PM (QDr6b)

221 215. Movie recommendation for you - Tarkovsky's Stalker. Deeply beautiful and moving story with powerful existential overtones.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 12:45 PM (idLmR)

222 Mess with the shelves, get the drill.

Posted by: The Barrel at February 11, 2017 12:46 PM (92kX2)

223
*hands Jane an indulgence*

No real damage done.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:46 PM (ZO497)

224 That's a very weighty subject. Did you mean to venture an opinion? Me, I think it's because overly centralized and stultified civilizations do well for a while, then collapse catastrophically because they're unable to adapt to new situations.

Someone should write a book about that.

Posted by: ibn khaldun at February 11, 2017 12:46 PM (6FqZa)

225 224. Ahh, yes. Asabiya.... heh - Teh Trumpening is actually a god demonstration of that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 12:48 PM (idLmR)

226 Moki - you are too sweet. While we're on the subject, what would a Proverbs 31 woman do, if she and her husband were on the Paleo Diet, and she just found an entire bag of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups hidden in his nightstand drawer? There's got to be a verse for this.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 12:28 PM (bpfzP)

To everything there is a season?

Posted by: Aetius451AD

Matthew 26:39

Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this [peanut butter] cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 12:49 PM (W8bn5)

227 Thanks, Mike.

You could make a killing selling supplemental insurance for mobility scooter accidents.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at February 11, 2017 12:45 PM (QDr6b)

You do know, that in that last couple of years I've been hit by two of those scooters? One was in Kroger as I was getting batteries, and the woman who rammed into my heel claimed she thought I was a cardboard cutout or something, and another time a woman clipped me as I was standing in line (Kroger, again).

Then, last year I was at the cashier at a local car wash, and a behemoth speeding backwards very nearly ran me down. I had to stand on my tip toes and flatten myself against the counter.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:50 PM (PY9jH)

228 From the sidebar:

Panic setting in among Hispanics over deportations

How about that. You know where they can no longer panic? Back in their country of origin

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 11, 2017 12:50 PM (auHtY)

229 *reads an email from NaNoWriMo*

"Because of this core organizational value, we join the many voices standing against the presidential executive order that bans refugees from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States."

Go peddle that line of thought in Tehran.... enjoy the flaming pineapple as its jammed up your fourth point.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2017 12:50 PM (Rag2N)

230 Actually outed myself as an existentialist to my boss the other day. He seemed to take it well.

Posted by: shibumi
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Well, of course he 'seemed' to take it well. Existentialphobes are experts at hiding their true feelings.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:50 PM (ZO497)

231 It is generally in conservatives DNA to be polite and accommodating. The Left know this, and are quick and adept at taking advantage. An easy thing to do when you yourself are unprincipled, and the ends justify the means.

Posted by: Mike Hammer

Also, I think leftists and Muslims have an animal cunning that allows them to detect when they're dealing with someone with a tender conscience, and they're really good at laying on the guilt trip.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 12:53 PM (W8bn5)

232 230. Heh....but what are their 'true feelings,' anyway, amd how would we or anyone else know? How would they know, for that matter?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 12:53 PM (idLmR)

233 The other branches of government have responsibilities with respect to
an out-of-control judiciary ... that the Congress has, sadly, never even
tried to live up to.
---
There's video of New Gringrich floating around talking about how one of the early Presidents and Congress got mad at a bunch of judicial tyrants and solved the problem by abolishing their courts, effectively firing them. They sued to get their jobs back and none of the remaining judges would give them a hearing out of fear they'd be next.

Assuming he knows what he's talking about, it's been done and could be done again.

Posted by: Methos at February 11, 2017 12:53 PM (3Liv/)

234 Posted by: Jane D'oh

So there is a market need. Someone find some investors, we got a winner!
Mutual of Peruvia Insurance Co.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at February 11, 2017 12:54 PM (QDr6b)

235 nood

Posted by: m at February 11, 2017 12:55 PM (3jGss)

236
Ye Gads!

Mrs. H is down in central-ish Georgia looking after her aged mother, so I've been batching it.

I am noticing a significant accumulation of dust on shelves (okay, all of the flat surfaces)... which means it's on the floors and in the rugs too.

Someone better get busy around here.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:55 PM (ZO497)

237 You do know, that in that last couple of years I've been hit by two of those scooters?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:50 PM (PY9jH)

When I had my hip replacement (yes, at 35), my parents came up to help me out for the surgery and subsequent first week. Places like IKEA and Kroger actually have real manual wheelchairs, and I had no trouble navigating with those and not killing anyone. Then we went to Sam's Club, and all they had were motorized scooters the size of a heavy cruiser and about as nimble.

I waited in the car.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 12:56 PM (8nWyX)

238 Presidents and Congress got mad at a bunch of judicial tyrants and solved the problem by abolishing their courts, effectively firing them.
--------------

Newt says to just cut off funding.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 12:57 PM (ZO497)

239 Oh, one of the books I reviewed last year is free today

Christian dystopic fiction

https://twitter.com/BookHorde/status/830477126054842369

Posted by: @votermom (twitter) @vm (gab) at February 11, 2017 12:57 PM (Om16U)

240 Based on what I see at WalMart here, those "mobility" scooters should really be called "obescooters".

Maybe "whale skates"?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2017 12:57 PM (WDdjT)

241 I got to have an early midlife crisis and got through it by reading existential literature.

Actually outed myself as an existentialist to my boss the other day. He seemed to take it well.

Posted by: shibumi

I like the literature, especially Sartre. It fits my mood. But I tried reading Being and Nothingness once, and couldn't make heads or tails of it. Pure multisyllabic word salad. Totally incomprehensible.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 12:58 PM (W8bn5)

242 Assuming he knows what he's talking about, it's been done and could be done again.

Posted by: Methos at February 11, 2017 12:53 PM (3Liv/)

Certainly should be. Lifetime appointments are very, very dangerous things and those who get them need to be held to the highest standards. The minute a federal judge issues a decision or makes any sort of ruling that is clearly un-Constitutional that judge needs to be impeached and tossed off the bench.

I understand the Founders' reasoning that lifetime appointments would free the judges from contemporary politics but lifetime appointments also free judges to immerse themselves in their contemporary politics and, with no threat to their lifetime tenure, allow them to ignore the Constitution, the law, and anything they don't feel like being bound by.

Lifetime appointments are such powerful tools that those holding them must not stray from their tasks and the law. The minute they do they need to be out.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 12:59 PM (zc3Db)

243 You do know, that in that last couple of years I've been hit by two of those scooters? One was in Kroger as I was getting batteries, and the woman who rammed into my heel claimed she thought I was a cardboard cutout or something, and another time a woman clipped me as I was standing in line (Kroger, again).

Then, last year I was at the cashier at a local car wash, and a behemoth speeding backwards very nearly ran me down. I had to stand on my tip toes and flatten myself against the counter.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 12:50 PM (PY9jH)

I was on a cruise once and watched a pair of them get into a head on. One came flying out of an elevator, and another was zipping around the corner to get into that elevator and BAM they slammed into each other. They're lucky somebody wasn't in the middle of them.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 11, 2017 01:00 PM (aMlLZ)

244 Newt says to just cut off funding.
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Right, it wasn't the same as impeaching them as, though I got the impression their authority was nullified.

But yeah, simply removing their funding, while technically allowing them to continue doing the job, means they're on their own to figure out how to keep the lights on and their staff fed.

Posted by: Methos at February 11, 2017 01:00 PM (3Liv/)

245 Pure multisyllabic word salad. Totally incomprehensible.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

I hate that sort of nonsense.

Posted by: James Joyce at February 11, 2017 01:00 PM (QDr6b)

246 Non-muslims should hijack that shit. Blare that stupid ass muezzin across town? And the jackass government won't shut it down? Drop to your knees and give me 20 hail marys, soldier. Right on the spot, whatever you're doing. Or whatever your preferred method of communing with the Almighty is.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 12:09 PM (sK2fh)

Angelus bells.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 11, 2017 01:01 PM (brIR5)

247 Islam shouldn't exist.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 11, 2017 01:02 PM (MZcWR)

248 241. That's Sartre. Pure nonsense as a thinker. Want proof? He was a dedicated and enthusiastic communist long after ot became clear how monstrous that ideology was. And he had googly eyes.... so there.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:02 PM (idLmR)

249 Well, of course he 'seemed' to take it well. Existentialphobes are experts at hiding their true feelings.
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LOL.

I'm in MI.

He's in NYC.

We see each other once every other year and talk a handful of times per year.

Everything else is done via email.

I think he can handle "existentialist" as opposed to "conservative" any day of the week.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 01:02 PM (J5mC3)

250 I got to have an early midlife crisis and got through it by reading existential literature. Actually outed myself as an existentialist to my boss the other day. He seemed to take it well. Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 12:42 PM (J5mC3)
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LOL. Actually used to use 'existential' as a descriptor for incomprehensible babble by someone. Worked because it sounded like a compliment to their oh-so-educated brains, but a few coffee spews from people who knew me. Started using 'quantum' in the same way.

A great friend of mine declared midlife crisis every other year to clear away the detritus of a full and enjoyable life. I think it worked.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 01:03 PM (MIKMs)

251 *reads an email from NaNoWriMo*

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2017 12:50 PM (Rag2N)

NaNo is mostly cool, but AFAICT it is run locally and nationally by the kind of person who, at any time, will whip their tiny political winkie out and slap it on the table like they expect to get a cookie for it.

I mean, it's not like the industry isn't almost completely overrun by SJWs. TOR was basically anti-"gamer gate" central.

Spring NaNo will almost be as unbearably hostile and anxiety-ridden as it would have been hostile and smug had the FAB won.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 11, 2017 01:05 PM (wB8Tg)

252 https://tinyurl.com/gp7aox5

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Major League Pitcher Complains About Anti-Trump Articles, Strikes Out Haters With Flaming Response

Trevor Bauer of the Indians

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 11, 2017 01:05 PM (y3aQB)

253 One came flying out of an elevator, and another was zipping around the corner to get into that elevator and BAM they slammed into each other. They're lucky somebody wasn't in the middle of them.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division

More evidence of the need for insurance.
"Mutual of Peruvia: Trust the Drunken Ewok"

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at February 11, 2017 01:05 PM (QDr6b)

254 LOL. Actually used to use 'existential' as a descriptor for incomprehensible babble by someone. Worked because it sounded like a compliment to their oh-so-educated brains, but a few coffee spews from people who knew me. Started using 'quantum' in the same way.
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That is funny,

If you read about existentialism from a philosophical standpoint, it's mostly incomprehensible gobblygook.

But... if you read fiction by existential authors, most of it is quite nice.

They're big on personal responsibility and finding meaning in life.

Not so into the whole "you are The Other" cr@p.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 01:08 PM (J5mC3)

255 253. *notice: insurance policy is for informational and entertainment purposes only.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:09 PM (idLmR)

256 They're big on personal responsibility and finding meaning in life.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 01:08 PM (J5mC3)

But the main issue of existentialism is that there is no meaning in life.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:11 PM (zc3Db)

257 Major League Pitcher Complains About Anti-Trump Articles, Strikes Out Haters With Flaming Response

Trevor Bauer of the Indians

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 11, 2017 01:05 PM (y3aQB)

Nice to see someone not backing down to the tolerant wonders

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 11, 2017 01:12 PM (auHtY)

258 Very gratified by the "panic" among "immigrant communities" being reported.

Funny - it is absolutely certain that if you went to actual immigrant communities (legal immigrants), there'd be not the slightest panic. Depending on which community, there'd be satisfaction on the measures finally being taken to enforce undisputed laws after decades of lawlessness.

But since we live in a dumbed-down, media-warped civic culture where Barack Obama could be considered for any public office, the adults do need to get out there and counter the black propaganda offensive - which is probably just starting.

We'll now get to see the real-life test of my (and others') expectation that just changing the water temperature by actually undertaking routine enforcement/deportation actions will have a dramatic effect.

Hmmm, I actually do need to go to the nearby Home Depot for a few things. There's light rain, but I'm thinking it might be a good indicator to see how many hombres are hanging in the parking lot.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 01:13 PM (QDnY+)

259 *notice: insurance policy is for informational and entertainment purposes only.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine
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...and cannot prevent sexually transmitted diseases.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 11, 2017 01:13 PM (ZO497)

260 Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 11, 2017 01:12 PM (auHtY)

YEP!

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 11, 2017 01:15 PM (NDivk)

261 256. I think it's more that meaning is not a given. Not quite the same thing.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:15 PM (idLmR)

262 Meh.

Existentialism is me...if I were a gay Frenchman wearing a feathered cap and had a rabid hamster in my pantaloons.

"Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius FTW.

Posted by: Stoicism at February 11, 2017 01:15 PM (9q7Dl)

263 If you tossed a chimp or a gorilla onto the Alaskan tundra during winter
and supplied them with food, would they be able to survive or would
they die of exposure?
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Depends. Did the gorilla cross Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: zombie harambe at February 11, 2017 01:15 PM (nlbfN)

264
But the main issue of existentialism is that there is no meaning in life.
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That would be existential nihilism.

Run of the mill existentialism states that each person has to find their own meaning, and there is no one size fits all solution. It's a big theme in some of the fiction as well.

http://tinyurl.com/j5njno6

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 01:16 PM (J5mC3)

265 Do you think the current Italian efforts to get the migrant situation under control will help them hang onto their culture for a little longer?

Italian culture has been eroding for some time, but not due to islamic influence. American pop culture is the culprit. I've made frequent trips to Italy over the years, and noticed a big change in the late 1990s. Kids were wearing hip hop attire - in my family's hometown way up in the mountains, we're not city folk. When I made my usual pilgrimage to the shoe boutiques, I found American and British looking footwear. Che sciagura!

And the attitudes toward family and religion were moving far away from what is considered traditional Italian. Maybe the islamic influx will do something to help my people remember their roots.

I do know there have been demonstrations in the streets of Rome against housing for "refugees", since native Italians are homeless due to economic instability post-Euro (currency).Romans want the natives' situations to be addressed before Lo Straniere is welcomed and accommodated.

If jihadi muslims equate Christianity with Catholicism, it's due no doubt to their militaristic bent. They know that the Crusades and their greatest military defeats occurred under the aegis of Catholic leaders.

Posted by: kallisto at February 11, 2017 01:17 PM (nNdYv)

266 Then we went to Sam's Club, and all they had were motorized scooters the size of a heavy cruiser and about as nimble.

I waited in the car.

Posted by: hogmartin

Just an fyi (not trying to browbeat anyone into a boycott), but the CEO of Sam's Club is a racist who hates white men.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 01:18 PM (W8bn5)

267 On judicial lawlessness, the understandable instinct is to just work around it - not try to fix it. Fixing it would be "haaaaarrrd" (true).

Looks like we'll be getting another round of adapt to judicial tyranny, instead of crushing it.

But maybe it's not so dark - because if you give Hitler the Rhineland and the Sudetenland without a shot, you'll be getting more chances to stand up to him, guaranteed.

If the absurd malfeasance of the WA district and the 9th does not get reversed or repudiated - in its own terms, not through finesse - we can surely expect more "opportunities" for the administration and Congress to do their jobs.

Minor chance that the audacity of the malfeasance has scared enough of the judiciary - fearing, at last, some reassertion of reason and the rule of law by the adults, due to the severity of the provocation - that the coup attempt will be allowed to whither away.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 01:19 PM (QDnY+)

268 262. Ain't that the truth of it, though?

A man is what he does, to paraphrase Aristotle.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:19 PM (idLmR)

269 I think it's more that meaning is not a given. Not quite the same thing.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:15 PM (idLmR)

I would disagree. The existentialist finds nothing more than the physical world, which immediately removes all possibility of meaning in life - since meaning requires an existent meta-system.

What happens with existentialists is that they cannot face the logical consequences of their own theory and set about trying to pretend that this or that is "meaningful". But it's all a hoax and they know it. Just some contrived thought games they use to pass the meaningless time they claim is the actual nature of reality. They have removed all possibility of meaning in their initial formulation.

Luckily, for existentialists it doesn't matter ... because everything is meaningless in the end, anyway.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:19 PM (zc3Db)

270
I like the literature, especially Sartre. It fits my mood. But I tried reading Being and Nothingness once, and couldn't make heads or tails of it. Pure multisyllabic word salad. Totally incomprehensible.
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One of my favorite books is "Nausea" although not a lot happens in it.

I can't read most of the pure philosophy. It makes my head hurt.

Have you tried reading Milan Kundera? He's listed as an existential writer, however.. wow. I think he's just an amazing author who might happen to have some existential themes in his work.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 01:19 PM (J5mC3)

271 Sen Tillis(R-NC) BIPARTISAN revised Gang of 8 bill looking good about now
FOAD

Posted by: Under Fire at February 11, 2017 01:20 PM (57R5r)

272 Major League Pitcher Complains About Anti-Trump Articles, Strikes Out Haters With Flaming Response

Trevor Bauer of the Indians

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 11, 2017 01:05 PM (y3aQB)

Love how a "tolerant" prog wishes cancer on him. Proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 01:20 PM (PY9jH)

273 Run of the mill existentialism states that each person has to find their own meaning, and there is no one size fits all solution.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 11, 2017 01:16 PM (J5mC3)

"'Meaning' ... you keep saying that word but I don't think it means what you think it means."

What they are referring to is what I just wrote in my last comment, there is no actual meaning but people can amuse themselves with pretend "meaning" that they devote their meaningless lives to. They know it's all pretend but their philosophy doesn't have anything else to offer.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:22 PM (zc3Db)

274 269. That, too. It is, however, more a sort of moody stoicism, in its better forms.

A weird philosophical dead-end, but an interesting one.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:23 PM (idLmR)

275 >>>Run of the mill existentialism states that each person has to find their own meaning, and there is no one size fits all solution. It's a big theme in some of the fiction as well.

I think even where they can find no meaning, they at least consider it something of value, and the quest for it to be something important. In Nausea, I think Roquentin was continually appalled by the absurdity around him (eg. the Self Taught Man). In other words, he considered that a bad situation and was continually searching for a way out.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 01:24 PM (W8bn5)

276 A weird philosophical dead-end, but an interesting one.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:23 PM (idLmR)

They might actually be correct, essentially ... but then it wouldn't matter, anyway.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:25 PM (zc3Db)

277 Bauer is a quirky individualistic iconoclast - I doubt he's entirely conservative but he strikes me as a guy with a decidedly anti-authority bent so he's certainly not one to bow to the tolerance brigade.

Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at February 11, 2017 01:25 PM (OuELg)

278 Luckily, for existentialists it doesn't matter ... because everything is meaningless in the end, anyway. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:19 PM (zc3Db)
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Must be quantum.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 01:26 PM (MIKMs)

279 Whoa, the video (body-cam?) of the cop doing the taxpayer relief shot on a noble oppressed hero in Baltimore (WeaselZippers) is interesting.

It's too shaky to see exactly what happened, but obviously our hero, instead of surrendering (it was a foot chase right out in the street) must have attempted to raise his gun at the officer.

Also, the (presumably under-cover) cop has impressive sleeves (tattoos) as shown in the video.

Gun thread!

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 01:27 PM (QDnY+)

280 You'd think Rome would've learned its lesson regarding barbarians.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2017 01:27 PM (0mRoj)

281 Luckily, for existentialists it doesn't matter ... because everything is meaningless in the end, anyway.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:19 PM (zc3Db)

"Cogito/Dubito ergo sum" gets replaced with The Absurd.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:27 PM (sK2fh)

282 Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2017 01:20 PM (PY9jH)

Yep Michael Savage who I despise Said Liberalism is a Mental Disorder

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 11, 2017 01:28 PM (NDivk)

283 "Cogito/Dubito ergo sum" gets replaced with The Absurd. Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:27 PM (sK2fh)
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'No Exit'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 01:29 PM (MIKMs)

284 >>>Have you tried reading Milan Kundera? He's listed as an existential writer, however.. wow. I think he's just an amazing author who might happen to have some existential themes in his work.

I will give that a look into. Thanks for the tip. And it's not even Sunday.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 01:29 PM (W8bn5)

285 Whatever happened to Nip Sip? Would certainly be amusing to hear his perspective on the almost comically ridiculous behavior of Tillis on the amnesty thing. Imagine he'd be not too pleased either.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 01:30 PM (QDnY+)

286 276. Yeah - Teh Horde needs to watch the aforementioned film - 'Stalker,' by Tarkovsky. Very existential, and even religious, in its way, but you don't really notice it until you're done watching it and are thinking about it later.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:30 PM (idLmR)

287 Luckily, for existentialists it doesn't matter ... because everything is meaningless in the end, anyway. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:19 PM (zc3Db)
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Must be quantum.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 01:26 PM (MIKMs)

Which is, I believe, basically why Einstein disliked quantum theory so much.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:30 PM (zc3Db)

288 You'd think Rome would've learned its lesson regarding barbarians.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2017 01:27 PM (0mRoj)

You would think that all of Europe after how many times it had been overrun and they fought back to retake it wouldn't just hand their countries to people who would put them all on the chopping block

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 11, 2017 01:30 PM (auHtY)

289 'No Exit'.
Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 01:29 PM (MIKMs)

That's the Sartre play, with the whole "hell is other people" dealy going on?

I haven't done much philosophy-ing for a while, so most of what I can remember is just mashed together into a giant conceptual ball of chewing gum in the back of my brain.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:31 PM (sK2fh)

290 Comrades, just a reminder, the ration of Heavy Philosophical Musings to Boobehs in this thread is dropping below established norms.

Posted by: AOSHQ Comments Zampolit at February 11, 2017 01:32 PM (QDnY+)

291 There were some great pics of boobies and tits linked to in another thread yesterday...

Posted by: (he he... Audubon says "alll raighhht") at February 11, 2017 01:33 PM (sK2fh)

292 Yeah - Teh Horde needs to watch the aforementioned film - 'Stalker,' by Tarkovsky.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:30 PM (idLmR)

Never seen it, but the Strugatsky novella it was based on (Roadside Picnic) is worth reading.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 01:34 PM (8nWyX)

293 Comrades, just a reminder, the ration of Heavy Philosophical Musings to Boobehs in this thread is dropping below established norms.

Posted by: AOSHQ Comments Zampolit at February 11, 2017 01:32 PM (QDnY+)

There was enough tit in the ONT photo of the selfie with the alleged background to last for, at least, 5 threads.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:34 PM (zc3Db)

294 289. That's the one. The loss/denial of the transcendent necessarily divests all things of their meaning or significance. Things get a bit rocky from there.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:34 PM (idLmR)

295 292. It's very loosely based on that short story. Seeing the flick is what made me go looking for the source-text.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:36 PM (idLmR)

296 I haven't done much philosophy-ing for a while, so
most of what I can remember is just mashed together into a giant
conceptual ball of chewing gum in the back of my brain. Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:31 PM (sK2fh)
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Me too. The one thing the Horde is really good at is calling all of us out for our carelessness. I have been using 'existential' and 'quantum' for years as a running joke -- forgetting how important even really odd viewpoints can add to the philosophical/scientific lore.

But I'm not going to stop making fun of both (and myself).

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 01:36 PM (MIKMs)

297 Until the Churches in America purge themselves of this Liberation Theology and Global Marxism, the masses will remain brainwashed. The Churches are profiting off of the destruction of Christians and Christianity.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 11, 2017 01:37 PM (a94gW)

298 45
If you tossed a chimp or a gorilla onto the Alaskan tundra during winter and supplied them with food, would they be able to survive, or would they die of exposure?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 11:38 AM (W8bn5)

I would think they would probably die. Animals in cold climates tend to have layers of fat or blubber that serve as insulation.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 01:37 PM (sdi6R)

299 296. Nor should you stop. If we can't laugh at philosophy and pseudo-intellectual stepchildren, then all hope is gone.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:39 PM (idLmR)

300 "ICE is showing up at people's homes, showing up at places of business. This level of ICE activity .... is absolutely unprecedented" Austin pro-immigrant attorney Stephanie Gharakhanian told the WSJ.

OK, I'll man up here - where is a certain chemistry professor? I need to apologize, and salute his humanity and prescience in foreseeing a Hitlerian future if immigration laws were actually enforced.

I mean, folks, THEY'RE SHOWING UP AT PEOPLE'S HOMES AND PLACES OF BUSINESS!!!!

Surely this cannot be constitutional! Police state! Where is a judge to step in prevent the law from being enforced .... um, well, you know protect people's human rights! And stuff! Can't the Pope do anything?

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 01:39 PM (QDnY+)

301 Luckily, for existentialists it doesn't matter ... because everything is meaningless in the end, anyway. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:19 PM (zc3Db)
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Must be quantum.

Posted by: mustbequantum

I am no mathematician. Do you guys really believe that events at the atomic level happen arbitrarily, randomly without prior causes? Or do believe that things really do happen deterministically, but we just don't know the mechanisms yet, so you need to resort to statistics? I would hope it's the latter. Non-determinism makes no sense.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 01:39 PM (W8bn5)

302 But I'm not going to stop making fun of both (and myself).
Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 01:36 PM (MIKMs)

*wiping a tear* *sniffles* That's beautiful.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:39 PM (sK2fh)

303 Yep TPOP, that young lady on the ONT was, well, memorable.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 01:41 PM (QDnY+)

304 Do you guys really believe that events at the atomic level happen arbitrarily, randomly without prior causes?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 01:39 PM (W8bn5)

Yes. And no. But mostly Yes.

Any discussion on determinism for me usually telescopes down into a discussion on the definition of what "causality" actually is.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:42 PM (sK2fh)

305 300. Snort!

Have you checked fapplebee's?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:42 PM (idLmR)

306 Hey all you smart guys on this smart military blog:

since the discussion has moved to philosophy and the margins of quantum theory - could someone describe in a nutshell what is the essence of said theory?

I have this idea that quantum theory means reality is fungible.

Posted by: kallisto at February 11, 2017 01:43 PM (nNdYv)

307 304. Here we go.....

Causality has always baffled me, because it has always baffled mankind, I suppose.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:44 PM (idLmR)

308 Do you guys really believe that events at the atomic level happen arbitrarily, randomly without prior causes? Or do believe that things really do happen deterministically, but we just don't know the mechanisms yet, so you need to resort to statistics? I would hope it's the latter. Non-determinism makes no sense.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 01:39 PM (W8bn5)

One of the essential features of quantum theory is that the statistics of certain events occurring demonstrate that it almost definitely cannot just be an underlying determinism that is merely given a statistical description. Quantum theory, itself, does not really allow for the possibility of an underlying deterministic universe. The non-deterministic, statistical nature of the Quantum universe is fundamental, not ancillary.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:44 PM (zc3Db)

309 reality

Posted by: kallisto at February 11, 2017 01:43 PM (nNdYv)

whoah, whoah whoah there. Let's leave words like "reality" out of any description of physics.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:45 PM (sK2fh)

310 Non-determinism makes no sense.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 01:39 PM (W8bn5)

BTW, that's a tautology

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:45 PM (zc3Db)

311 regarding Q physics and Q-mech, I've never seen a better primer on the topic than the feynman lectures.

http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:46 PM (sK2fh)

312 306. I think it's based on the inability to predict or measure the position of an electron going around a nucleus, if I remember correctly. Something like that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:47 PM (idLmR)

313 Yeah. Finally got locked out of twitter. Love how they don't tell you why.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at February 11, 2017 01:47 PM (Kt5cm)

314
"ICE is showing up at people's homes, showing up at places of business. This level of ICE activity .... is absolutely unprecedented"

The glaciers are on the move!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2017 01:47 PM (IqV8l)

315 The non-deterministic, statistical nature of the Quantum universe is fundamental, not ancillary.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:44 PM (zc3Db)

I always kinda felt it was like a "weak form" of non-determinism.

Things "might" be determined, some how, to the extent that has any meaning, but any determining actions are somehow below the resolution of the observable universe

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:48 PM (sK2fh)

316 Nothing matters and nothing we do ultimately makes any difference. How's that for philosophy?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2017 01:48 PM (0mRoj)

317 http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:46 PM (sK2fh)

Thanks I will attempt to absorb this info.

Long ago I tried reading "In Search of Schroedinger's Cat" and I think my right brain tried to kill me after page seven. So I had to stop.

Posted by: kallisto at February 11, 2017 01:48 PM (nNdYv)

318 WTF?!? Men are now buying clothes from Lululemon. Holy Bob they look super ghey and feminized.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 11, 2017 01:48 PM (a94gW)

319 Posted by: kallisto at February 11, 2017 01:43 PM (nNdYv)

An easily understandable and interesting explanation is given by Feynman in many talks. Here is one he gave at the Esalen Institute (a hippyish sort of spot but a great lecture by Feynman):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72us6pnbEvE

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:49 PM (zc3Db)

320 313 Yeah. Finally got locked out of twitter. Love how they don't tell you why.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at February 11, 2017 01:47 PM (Kt5cm)

That's how you know you're doing it right.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:49 PM (sK2fh)

321 316. Vanity of vanities, all is vanity!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:49 PM (idLmR)

322 316 Nothing matters and nothing we do ultimately makes any difference. How's that for philosophy?
Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2017 01:48 PM (0mRoj)

Kirilov? Is that you?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:50 PM (sK2fh)

323 318. You are mistaken. Those are not men.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:50 PM (idLmR)

324 since the discussion has moved to philosophy and the margins of quantum theory - could someone describe in a nutshell what is the essence of said theory?

I have this idea that quantum theory means reality is fungible.
Posted by: kallisto at February 11, 2017 01:43 PM (nNdYv)

There's a lot to it, so it would probably be pretty hard to wrap the whole thing up neatly, I think. The best I (not an expert) could do is give a little snapshot.

So, the model of the atom that we all learned in school, with the protons and neutrons in the nucleus like the sun, and the electrons orbiting around it in defined levels like planets? Turns out it's not like that. Electrons will be somewhere in those orbits, but they don't orbit the nucleus, they have a probability of being at any point in that orbit.

"Light" is photons, right? But are they waves on the electromagnetic spectrum, or particles with their own mass? Turns out, they're both, depending on which you ask them to be at any time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 01:51 PM (8nWyX)

325 Have you checked fapplebee's?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:42 PM (idLmR)

=====

After his flounce from here, he took his act over to Reason. Shockingly, he is still anti Trump.

Posted by: Flyboy at February 11, 2017 01:53 PM (bUjWk)

326 Our ability to describe the universe in the related languages of physics and mathematics has far, far outstripped our ability to conceptualize the universe as ... well... concepts.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:54 PM (sK2fh)

327 Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:48 PM (sK2fh)

Weak is a good way to put it. Quantum allows for deterministic probabilities - meta-determinism. But it doesn't allow for the actions to be 100% repeatable given the same exact initial conditions. It just doesn't allow for this possibility.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:54 PM (zc3Db)

328 325. After his most recent flounce, you mean. He's done this sort of thing before.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:55 PM (idLmR)

329 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 01:54 PM (zc3Db)

Right on. My interest is in the very concept of "same exact initial conditions" in that formulation. Not just is it possible (feasible), but is it possible (conceptually valid)?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:57 PM (sK2fh)

330 325 Have you checked fapplebee's?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 01:42 PM (idLmR)

=====

After his flounce from here, he took his act over to Reason. Shockingly, he is still anti Trump.
Posted by: Flyboy at February 11, 2017 01:53 PM (bUjWk)

Last I saw he was still flogging the expired equine over at Insty's. I don't check Reason very often. They've gone a bit nutty.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2017 01:57 PM (0mRoj)

331 Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 01:51 PM (8nWyX)

Thanks for that reference, and also to TPoP and Warai-otoko for the links. Now I have my summer beach reading all lined up!

ha

Posted by: kallisto at February 11, 2017 01:57 PM (nNdYv)

332 Mars v Venus question. When I ask my wife "what do you think we should do about this bush that is encroaching on our fence?" what part of that question sounds like "could you please spend the next 5 or 10 minutes lecturing me about my shortcomings?"

Please and thank you.

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2017 01:58 PM (HV1LS)

333 I have this idea that quantum theory means reality is fungible. Posted by: kallisto at February 11, 2017 01:43 PM (nNdYv)
=====

Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe we'll all get lucky and it will be like currency -- and we'll all get rich and powerful.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 02:01 PM (MIKMs)

334 currency -- and we'll all get rich and powerful.
Posted by: mustbequantum at February 11, 2017 02:01 PM (MIKMs)

hehe... forex markets for subatomic particles?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 02:02 PM (sK2fh)

335 Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2017 01:58 PM (HV1LS)

I can't help in that dept. The Mars/venus template in my relationship with SO is flipped on its head. IOW, I'm the one who tends to communicate directly , like a "y" chromosome type, and he is the one that goes all around the block, like a double x.

I think it's cause he was the only boy in a family of 5 siblings. (His poor dad.)

Posted by: kallisto at February 11, 2017 02:05 PM (nNdYv)

336 Mars v Venus question. When I ask my wife "what do you think we should do about this bush that is encroaching on our fence?" what part of that question sounds like "could you please spend the next 5 or 10 minutes lecturing me about my shortcomings?"

Please and thank you.

Posted by: blaster

Fences are not loving. Fences exclude the Other.

But to answer your question, perhaps she thought you were trying to imply that she should have done something about it. This made her angry, so she brought up your shortcomings.

Just apologize to her for not trimming it earlier and go out and trim it. It's easier that way.

Posted by: ¡Jeb! at February 11, 2017 02:07 PM (W8bn5)

337 Fences are not loving. Fences exclude the Other.
Posted by: �Jeb! at February 11, 2017 02:07 PM (W8bn5)

Bushes, on the other hand...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 02:08 PM (sK2fh)

338 Let them in! Let them all in!!1!

Posted by: Chemtrail at February 11, 2017 02:10 PM (Tyii7)

339 Venus always wins. Mars is always wrong. Deal with it.

Posted by: Dear Scabby at February 11, 2017 02:14 PM (6LwXe)

340 Right on. My interest is in the very concept of "same exact initial conditions" in that formulation. Not just is it possible (feasible), but is it possible (conceptually valid)?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 01:57 PM (sK2fh)

As far as my understanding goes, two quantum systems can certainly be in the same exact state but the act of observation is then the problem. Without the observation the two continue along in the same evolution ... but there isn't really much meaning to that until the observations. So ... Heisenberg, I would guess, says that the observations cannot be exactly the same ... Not just cannot be known to be but there isn't even any meaning to claiming that any two particles have the same exact momentum and (relative) position.

I can't vouch for what I'm saying here, but I think this is pretty much the situation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 02:15 PM (zc3Db)

341 Grammie, Prayers for your Dad. Think positively. Went through this twice with my dad. Took 4 months to clear once and then lived on own for 7 years. Second time was when he had open heart surgery. Had problems afterward but lived for another 9 years in adult independent living, assisted living, nursing home, and finally in memory care. Last place was fabulous. It was in Wisconsin and there are similar facilities from the same group in Illinois. If, hopefully years from now, you need specifics on the memory care place, please let me know.

Posted by: Mrs JTB at February 11, 2017 02:16 PM (V+03K)

342 Mars v Venus question. When I ask my wife "what do you think we should do about this bush that is encroaching on our fence?" what part of that question sounds like "could you please spend the next 5 or 10 minutes lecturing me about my shortcomings?"

Please and thank you.

Posted by: blaster

Fences are not loving. Fences exclude the Other.

But to answer your question, perhaps she thought you were trying to imply that she should have done something about it. This made her angry, so she brought up your shortcomings.

Just apologize to her for not trimming it earlier and go out and trim it. It's easier that way.

Posted by: �Jeb! at February 11, 2017 02:07 PM (W8bn5)

Wait...she rips on him, yet HE is supposed to apologize to her?

Fuck that.

Posted by: Name Changed To Protect The Innocent Poster at February 11, 2017 02:16 PM (Jcg9Q)

343 The problem I see often is that lefties think it's ohhh so easy to assimilate foreign lower class people. They think "Muslim immigrants" and they think of the well-educated Iranians whose grandparents fled after the Shah was overthrown.

When I lived in Metro Detroit, the Sunni and Shia leaders in Dearborn met regularly as part of an interfaith group in order to work together and nip problems in the bud. It made sense to me. The second- and third-generation Americans knew their history, loved the US, and sure didn't want religious violence imported with newcomers.

But the "elites" don't know anything about culture shock or tensions between subgroups. They're so used to controlling the culture and pushing a political POV, they think that immigrants will be so grateful that they'll abandon their beliefs and upbringing. I mean, doesn't everyone aspire to be a secular socialist servant of the state?

Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 11, 2017 02:18 PM (G8B7r)

344 Some of the finest people I know explode every now and then.

Posted by: Chemtrail at February 11, 2017 02:18 PM (Tyii7)

345 The thing I can only tenuously grasp for brief periods is quantum computing. A matrix of qbits that can (and must) represent every possible state between them sounds just lovely for processing, but how you actually turn that into something that you can program, and then read, just eludes me.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 02:22 PM (8nWyX)

346

Wait...she rips on him, yet HE is supposed to apologize to her?

Fuck that.
Posted by: Name Changed To Protect The Innocent Poster at February 11, 2017 02:16 PM (Jcg9Q)

You're obviously not married

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at February 11, 2017 02:24 PM (Kt5cm)

347 So ... Heisenberg, I would guess, says that the observations cannot be exactly the same ... Not just cannot be known to be but there isn't even any meaning to claiming that any two particles have the same exact momentum and (relative) position.

I can't vouch for what I'm saying here, but I think this is pretty much the situation.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 11, 2017 02:15 PM (zc3Db)

That's my understanding of it in a nutshell, too. The formulation of the HUP in bra-ket notation is basically the "F=ma" of Qmech, so it ought to have some deep underlying significance. Don't ask me what that formulation is though, cause i can't remember. I'm totally armchairing it at this point.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 02:24 PM (sK2fh)

348 http://tinyurl.com/hqdox34

From upthread, how come these fucksticks never talk like this when I'm around? I'd stomp this little weasel into a grease spot. So sick of them.

Posted by: F.N.G. at February 11, 2017 02:25 PM (kiSdp)

349 Hejh, bless his principled, totes conservative heart. I remember when he was pretending to be a libertarian party member until it became impossible to deny how absurd that group had become.

LARPing politics.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2017 02:26 PM (idLmR)

350 JEF scheming to take PT down.
NY Post

Posted by: Under Fire at February 11, 2017 02:30 PM (6LwXe)

351 Damn, and I was hoping Obama's inherent laziness would save us. Here's the article to which Under Fire was referring:
http://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/

or:

https://tinyurl.com/hja3wgm

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 11, 2017 02:34 PM (EnKk6)

352 Well seeing as how everything zero touches turns to crap I'm not too worried.

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2017 02:37 PM (BO/km)

353 Wait...she rips on him, yet HE is supposed to apologize to her?

Fuck that.
Posted by: Name Changed To Protect The Innocent Poster at February 11, 2017 02:16 PM (Jcg9Q)

You're obviously not married

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at February 11, 2017 02:24 PM (Kt5cm)

I'm married, but in my world I would have went out, shot gunned the fence, blow torched the bush, then came inside and played guitar.

fear will keep the system in line. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 11, 2017 02:37 PM (aMlLZ)

354 351 Damn, and I was hoping Obama's inherent laziness would save us. Here's the article to which Under Fire was referring:
http://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/

or:

https://tinyurl.com/hja3wgm

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 11, 2017 02:34 PM (EnKk6)

One might point out that at anything he has had to really work at, he is an abject failure.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 02:38 PM (92kX2)

355 Thanks for the heads-up, Under Fire and Eris.

Meh (on the substance).

The sort of "protests" and rabble-rousing the affirmative action intern and his ilk can instigate won't have any effect, other than to alienate more people, when they get messy.

Sort of like the current GOP townhalls. Seems a vanishingly small chance these loudmouths represent anyone but themselves and the usual suspects in terms of organizations (SEIU, et al).

But it's delicious, hilarious, to hear these idiots talking about protecting Obama's legacy - unpopular, absurd, failing nonsense that is already being dismantled or falling apart on its own.

To the extent these efforts by the Obama types remind people of the connection between things they hate (O-care, mass illegal migration) and things they doubt or rate as of little importance ("climate change"), they only keep those anchors firmly attached to Dems' electoral necks.

Irresponsibility, stupidity, and cowardice by the GOP remain 10,000 times the threat to progress that Obama and his play-army represent.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 02:41 PM (QDnY+)

356 "ICE is showing up at people's homes, showing up at places of business.
This level of ICE activity .... is absolutely unprecedented" Austin
pro-immigrant attorney Stephanie Gharakhanian told the WSJ.

I think they're doing that now because, if you're looking for people, you usually find them at home or at work. That's just a hunch though...

Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2017 02:42 PM (qJhUV)

357 Damn, and I was hoping Obama's inherent laziness would save us.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 11, 2017 02:34 PM (EnKk6)

I'm sure he's not going to be doing any of the actual agitating, aside from the occasional desultory speech. He'll continue to wake up at 1030, play some golf, watch ESPN, and then go to parties with celebrities so Michelle can unhinge her jaw and hork down lobster tail while wearing 1970s motel drapery. They have an army of gibbering homunculi to do things for them, and they don't have to do or pay for any of it.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 02:42 PM (8nWyX)

358 hogmartin, you have a way with words! Hilarious.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 02:43 PM (QDnY+)

359 So, he's declared himself an enemy of America.

Fine, arrest him and try him for sedition.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 02:44 PM (sdi6R)

360 359 So, he's declared himself an enemy of America.

Fine, arrest him and try him for sedition.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 02:44 PM (sdi6R)

Remember, in his mind 'Treason' is only reserved for those who are disloyal to him personally.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 02:45 PM (92kX2)

361 He'll continue to wake up at 1030, play some golf, watch ESPN, and then go to parties with celebrities so Michelle can unhinge her jaw and hork down lobster tail while wearing 1970s motel drapery. They have an army of gibbering homunculi to do things for them, and they don't have to do or pay for any of it.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 02:42 PM (8nWyX)

lol. that's great.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 11, 2017 02:46 PM (aMlLZ)

362 Remember, in his mind 'Treason' is only reserved for those who are disloyal to him personally.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 02:45 PM (92kX2)

And "sin" is being out of alignment with his values.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 02:47 PM (8nWyX)

363 And "sin" is being out of alignment with his values.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 02:47 PM (8nWyX)

Right, hence we are all sinners.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 02:48 PM (92kX2)

364 Some of the finest people I know explode every now and then.

We can absorb that.

Posted by: Un-Prez'nit Toonces at February 11, 2017 02:48 PM (Tyii7)

365 My fav was always "that's not who we are"

... who's "we", white man?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 02:48 PM (sK2fh)

366 God I hope Europe finally comes to their senses. I've projected them as over and done in my fiction, but I'm German-English and would dearly love to be wrong. Maybe we'll even see a revival of Christianity...well, that could be a pipedream.

Posted by: William Alan Webb at February 11, 2017 02:49 PM (OhYcy)

367 Sorry, Sparky, the position of savior was filled 2000 years ago- and it is not an affirmative action hire that might need more 'diversity.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2017 02:49 PM (92kX2)

368 Grr. I'm totaling up my expenses for the year and there's a 20 cent discrepancy between the figure I get and what it should be. I hate when that happens.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 02:51 PM (sdi6R)

369 He'll continue to wake up at 1030, play some golf, watch ESPN, and then go to parties with celebrities so Michelle can unhinge her jaw and hork down lobster tail while wearing 1970s motel drapery. They have an army of gibbering homunculi to do things for them, and they don't have to do or pay for any of it.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 11, 2017 02:42 PM (8nWyX)
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Hahaha! Pure Hammer horror! I'm picturing Podesto cutting Hillary's finger for blood to feed the imps, but only sand and spiders pour out.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 11, 2017 02:53 PM (EnKk6)

370 368 Grr. I'm totaling up my expenses for the year and there's a 20 cent discrepancy between the figure I get and what it should be. I hate when that happens.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 02:51 PM (sdi6R)

Tell us your secret!

Posted by: The CBO at February 11, 2017 02:53 PM (92kX2)

371 Checking my hash. Betting on meh.

Posted by: Kevin C at February 11, 2017 02:54 PM (9khZC)

372 Very gratified to see the ICE enforcement actions, and especially to see the "panic" among the right "communities".

But I still think a graduated, gradual overall enforcement policy makes sense.

1) Empty jails/prisons, and lists of convicted felons on release (like the woman in Phoenix) - deport those first

2) Sit down with large companies and sectors known to employ the most illegals (food processors, agriculture, etc.) and give them a glide-path to legal labor - 6 months or something to wean themselves off illegals, with the prospect of legal, contracted, regulated labor to replace it (but with "prevailing wage" and other guard-rails to minimize displacement of actual, available local labor)

3) Sit-downs with small businesses that have become dependent on illegals (construction, etc.) in many regions, giving them time and a deadline to replace *their* illegal labor (with the attention-getter of raids on their job sites in the near future if they don't hop to it)

4) Legal and budgetary (appropriations) actions to attack sanctuary cities/states directly, from judicial actions to void laws (federal pre-emption) to high-impact administrative moves (blocking use of drivers' licenses etc issued to illegals) to SCOTUS-proof appropriations strategy that simply cuts $$$ to lawless states with the conditionality implicit

The feds do these things - the water temperature will be so dramatically changed that, as Trump himself commented at some point, they'll be leaving so fast you're head will spin

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 02:54 PM (QDnY+)

373 Cool! Found it. I must have fat-fingered the calculator the first time through.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 02:55 PM (sdi6R)

374 If I squint and tilt my head, I see my initials in there.

Posted by: Kevin C at February 11, 2017 02:55 PM (9khZC)

375 Transgenders, bathrooms and "tolerant" liberals-a political cartoon:

http://tinyurl.com/he4t92c

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2017 02:56 PM (fDdVG)

376 351 Damn, and I was hoping Obama's inherent laziness would save us. Here's the article to which Under Fire was referring:
http://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/

This is the 40-some odd-% who voted for Hillary! maintaining the same stupid policies and attitudes which lost them the last election,

so good.

The not so good part is that "community organizing" is simply blackmail writ large in that it's purpose is to commit violence and damage property in order to make the day-to-day functioning at a company or local gov't impossible,

then the blackmailer(community organizer) gets what he wants to make it stop.

But, since this activity will require crossing state lines, etc-

this brings and should bring RICO into play along with asset seizing if Trump and the DOJ wish to play hardball. Obama and Soros could find themselves very poor very fast.

Not to mention attempting to subvert a legitimate gov't and it's activities, well that just falls afoul of all kinds of federal laws.

Again, if Trump is willing to play hardball.

Several of the well-known, big money libs also have coordinated against US interests with foreign gov'ts in the open at places like Davos. Easy peasy to go after them under the law.

A few big-name cases prosecuted under RICO and this nonsense will stop dead in its tracks.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 11, 2017 02:58 PM (9q7Dl)

377 No, the only solution is to keep them in their home country and provide them with assistance there.
Posted by: pep at February 11, 2017 12:23 PM (LAe3v)

How many billions of dollars have gone to "developing" countries over the decades to provide assistance with nothing to show for it?

Triage might work better. Country A is in pretty good shape so we don't need to help. Country B is a hopeless basket case so we can't help it. Country C has some good basics and seems to be trying so let's help until they become A or B.

That's at the government level. If you or I want to send our own money to any of them, subject to federal laws, we can.

But no matter what, each and every country has the duty to check and double check anyone from anywhere wanting to enter for any reason.

Posted by: all doubt removed at February 11, 2017 02:58 PM (Z+wR7)

378 Posted by: Under Fire at February 11, 2017 02:30 PM (6LwXe)

Well, apparently Donald Trump reads the "NY Post" so he might have a few things to say to former President Obama.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2017 02:59 PM (fDdVG)

379 I took in $4560.01 more than I spent in 2016, which is good.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 03:00 PM (sdi6R)

380 379 I took in $4560.01 more than I spent in 2016, which is good.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 03:00 PM (sdi6R)

Wait, there's something wrong here...

Posted by: The CBO at February 11, 2017 03:03 PM (92kX2)

381 I took in $4560.01 more than I spent in 2016, which is good.

You didn't build that.

Posted by: Un-Prez'nit Toonces at February 11, 2017 03:07 PM (Tyii7)

382 I don't count pennies I pick up off the ground as income, so I actually did better than that.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 03:09 PM (sdi6R)

383 332 Mars v Venus question. When I ask my wife "what do you think we should do about this bush that is encroaching on our fence?" what part of that question sounds like "could you please spend the next 5 or 10 minutes lecturing me about my shortcomings?"

Please and thank you.
Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2017 01:58 PM (HV1LS)

She's being a jerk. It happens to everyone from time to time.

My darling has many fine qualities, but he recently explained that I baby my tools and they're not fragile. He had started using my multi head screwdriver to pry open a crusty can of paint, so I'd handed him the paint can opener. It's how my dad broke his same screwdriver and Craftsman's replacement wasn't as good.

I admit that if he ever complains to me that his lawnmower is rusting, I'm going to remind him that the tarp blew off in the fall and he was too lazy to replace it or make room in his garage. Because I'm the future patron saint of jerks!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 11, 2017 03:10 PM (G8B7r)

384 Grammie -

You might consider replacing the Reese's Peanut Butter Cups with a package of Atkins Peanut Butter Cups. One serving - two cups - contain 0 g sugar and 2 g net carbs.

What you do with the confiscated candy is between you and your maker.

Regards,
Butch

Posted by: Butch at February 11, 2017 03:10 PM (hXu8T)

385 Warai-otoko @ 311 - Thank you very much! Bookmarked.

Posted by: Butch at February 11, 2017 03:15 PM (hXu8T)

386 An easily understandable and interesting explanation is given by Feynman in many talks. Here is one he gave at the Esalen Institute (a hippyish sort of spot but a great lecture by Feynman):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72us6pnbEvE

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Thank you. I understand the system that he is describing with the boxes, regarding the uncertainty principle. I had always thought the uncertainty principle was due to the *methods* of measurement interfering with the things measured. But I don't like this, and I hope someone discovers some way around it. I would prefer if things are Newtonian.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 03:20 PM (W8bn5)

387 I would prefer if things are Newtonian.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 03:20 PM (W8bn5)

Go slow enough, and they are.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2017 03:49 PM (sK2fh)

388 Know Yoko, know peace.

Posted by: AoSHQ Yoko Appreciation Society at February 11, 2017 04:16 PM (DMUuz)

389 Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that just the act of observation can change the state a photon is in whether it is a wave or a particle. Thinking of the slit experiment.

Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at February 11, 2017 04:18 PM (9iR5/)

390 https://tinyurl.com/z5mlfcq

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Flashback: When Elizabeth Warren Supported School Choice

LIEawatha was for it, Before she was against it

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 11, 2017 04:26 PM (ydGZi)

391 So,in the "Oh, Yes" category of things, I just got a fundraising email from "Sheriff David Clarke for US Senate"

Which I just thought I'd mention as I hadn't heard that was happening.

Looks to be for WI.

Posted by: Methos at February 11, 2017 04:28 PM (3Liv/)

392 I would prefer if things are Newtonian.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2017 03:20 PM

Preach it, Brother!

Posted by: Fig at February 11, 2017 04:33 PM (DMUuz)

393 I would imagine Sheriff Clarke would have gigantic out-of-state support were he to run.

Think it would be excellent to have such a practical, no-nonsense guy in an even higher profile position.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2017 04:34 PM (QDnY+)

394 Obama is an even bigger scumbag than I thought.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 11, 2017 04:45 PM (7uYFy)

395 Chloe had three kittens. I adopted two, Kira and Leo, and my neighbor kept the third, Roxy.

I rescued Roxy from the roof once.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 04:48 PM (sdi6R)

396 Oops, wrong thread.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2017 04:48 PM (sdi6R)

397 https://tinyurl.com/zmnbwev

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White House Suddenly Removes Head Cybersecurity Officer

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 11, 2017 05:24 PM (ydGZi)

398 397 https://tinyurl.com/zmnbwev

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White House Suddenly Removes Head Cybersecurity Officer
Posted by: EVLINC! at February 11, 2017 05:24 PM (ydGZi)

Would that be the guy who wasn't smart enough, or didn't care enough, about Obama sending Hillary email on her private server?

Posted by: Don Q. at February 11, 2017 05:59 PM (qf6WZ)

399 Wonder how long it will take the feminist social just warriors to start in on Sir Nick Faldo over his observation this afternoon at Pebble Beach. An amateur golfer in the Pro-Am, a well figured female (probably the only one in the field), made a 7' put and he commented on her "Fine form". Some form of rape I'm sure.

Posted by: Javems at February 11, 2017 06:12 PM (yOqwj)

400 Posted by: Mrs JTB at February 11, 2017 02:16 PM (V+03K)
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Thank you so much for the encouraging words - they do give me hope. I'm in Wisconsin and my dad is in Illinois, in a facility in the northern 'burbs. I'll definitely reach out for any input you might have if we have to make decisions about further care / facilities / etc. Thank you so much! I'm so glad you had all those bonus years with your dad. That's so wonderful to hear.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 11, 2017 06:13 PM (bpfzP)

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