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Why Can't the Left Accept a Defeat?
Because Their "Politics" are a Messianic Cult, and Every Religious Zealot Knows You Cannot Repeal the Kingdom of Heaven Come to Earth
Sharp insight from John David Danielson at The Federalist.
The obstinacy of Senate Democrats reflects the mood of their progressive base, whose panicked anger is the natural reaction of those for whom politics has become an article of faith. Progressives, as the terms implies, believe society must always be progressing toward something better. Always forward, never backwards. After eight years of Obama, they believed progressive politics in America would forever be on an upward trajectory. Trump shook that faith. But his election also unmasked the degree to which progressivism as a political project is based not on science or rationality, or even sound policy, but on faith in the power of government to ameliorate and eventually perfect society. All the protests and denunciations of Trump serve not just as an outlet for progressives' despair, but the chance to signal their moral virtue through collective outrage and moral preening--something that wasn't really possible under Obama, at least not to this degree. Not that they didn't try. Recall that during the Obamacare debate in 2009 Ezra Klein suggested that Sen. Joe Lieberman was "willing to cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in order to settle an old electoral score," simply because he threatened to filibuster what would become the Affordable Care Act. This is the language of political fundamentalism--policy invested with the certainty of religious conviction. Religious fundamentalism of course rests on immutable truths that cannot be negotiated.I'm not a big fan of any religion, but traditional religions are nicely circumscribed as far as their scope and ambition. I know what topics a traditional religious outlook will take an interest in -- those related to sex, marriage, childbirth, and the sanctity of life. Most religions -- except for Islamism, which isn't really a religion but a totalitarian political movement with a quasi-religious justification -- focus chiefly on the metaphysical and the transcendent. They focus on the Kingdom to Come, not the temporal kingdoms of earth. Therefore, fewer issues are sacralized. Someone who is focusing on your eternal soul is not therefore focusing on your healthcare decisionmaking. The left politicizes everything, and given the left's increasing cultishness, that means they religicize everything. Everything -- not just a few rules about sodomy and marriage and abortion -- becomes a Sacred Principle which must be fought for with the passionate fury of the zealot, from whether private religiously-based organizations must pay for a woman's $9 per month birth control pills to whether the Pagan Deceiver Milo Yiannopolous can be allowed to step foot upon the sanctified ground of Berkeley Auditorium 3C. The article linked above pairs nicely -- or pairs ominously -- with this excellent rumination on the death of liberalism (the good sort of classical liberalism) due to the left's insistence on their being only two categories of temporal actions: Those which are forbidden, and those which are mandatory. The nutshell of his thesis is this: Liberalism was discovered -- not invented, but discovered -- in reaction to the very bloody religious wars that swept through Europe in the 1600s and 1700s. The previous rule that Politics Was Everything and whoever had the throne could inflict his will on everyone, down to mandating what god a citizen should bow to, resulted in endless war, death, misery, and mutual hatred and suspicion. Classical liberalism was discovered (he's keen on insisting on this word) as a way of avoiding the religious wars that killed 8 million people. The state would be more rules-light, and leave more freedom to citizens, thus reducing the incentive to, or need for, resort to violent bloodshed when Your Guy wasn't on the throne. He calls this rules-set "a minimum viable politics" -- the minimum possible state interference with the habits and preferences of citizens, yet still preserving of social stability and order. And this minimum viable politics necessarily was a pluralistic politics, permitting all sorts of sharply-disagreeing religions and philosophies. The main thing a "minimum viable politics" focuses on outlawing is illiberalism which itself threatens the minimum viable politics -- thus, a minimum viable politics focuses on protecting people's right to religious conscience, right to free speech and free thought, right to have a say in how they are governed (and later, by whom they are governed). It does not mandate the tiny particulars of what you must or must not do. It does not require that you bake a cake for someone, for example. Rather, it mandates that you must respect others' freedoms. Because the alternative is a return to the Thirty Years' War and bomb plots and priests hiding in priest holes as the King's Men search the town for them. The left is of course undoing all this, turning our rules-light system into a very rules-heavy system, in which virtually everything is illegal, and what little is not illegal, is mandatory. It is reversing pluralism -- and the result of reversing pluralism will be what the result of an end to pluralism has been in the past. Which is civil war, or, at best, not full civil war but roving bands of Religious Enforcement Vigilante night-riders who terrorize outsiders and pagans with the support and aid of their correligionists. Which we're seeing more and more of. Politicians, "journalists," and "celebrities" are actively encouraging punching people they call "Nazis" (which means anyone who disagrees with them; they should just say "Pagans") and "setting it all on fire." The TV director who made this pronouncement said to open a history book -- it's the only way, she advised. She should open a history book herself. She should point to me a single case where rampant political violence from one faction was not quickly met by equal or even greater political violence from the factions that were being preyed upon. Does she think people are going to sit back and let themselves be beaten because the "arc of history" demands they take their lumps agreeably? No, sister. Soon the people you punch will start punching back, and then, not long after that, they'll start punching first. And what moral ground will you have to object to it? Your rules, Vagina Warrior. If the left ever did bother to open a history book, they'd discover that every illiberal, gloriously bloody revolution invites its own equally bloody counter-revolution, it's own Vendee, its own final Thermidor. If a thing is sacralized, that means you are bound by conscience and God Himself to fight for that. If an enemy is demonized, your are bound to slay that demon. The more which is sacralized, the more blood, the more maimings, the more fires, the more murders. In a minimum viable politics, people are free to sacralize what they will, assuming they do not break the rules of minimum viable politics and resort to vigilante violence to vindicate their religious beliefs. But the left is determined to sacralize every flighty thought that gets into their heads -- like that men with penises should be free to use women's room, and if little girls are bothered by seeing a man's penis, why, they must just "overcome" their "discomfort" at seeing an adult man's penis -- and they are also determined to use the violence of the state or the violence of private vigilantes to enforce those Sacred Lunacies. It won't end well. It will end, eventually. But not well, and not without many, many casualties, of both the guilty and innocent kind. Mass political violence is like a tornado, and tornadoes do not discriminate between the virtuous and the vicious. They just kill everything in their path.
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Ugh, yes, it is a cult.
In some cases, literally:
https://poseidonawoke.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/prosecution-yvette-felarca/
In some cases, literally:
https://poseidonawoke.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/prosecution-yvette-felarca/
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2017 05:38 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2017 05:39 PM (W2Fol)
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It's almost like we're hard-wired to be religious and those who forsake a God will come to worship something else - you know, like the State.
But that's crazy talk!
But that's crazy talk!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 05:40 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: Lord Chancellor johnd01 at February 02, 2017 05:40 PM (ukNFU)
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They have had a streak of wins in this country since the 60's, why should the0y quit in their eyes
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2017 05:41 PM (Frvrc)
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It won't end well. It will end, eventually. But not well, and not without many, many casualties, of both the guilty and innocent kind. Mass political violence is like a tornado, and tornadoes do not discriminate between the virtuous and the vicious.
My bullets have no one's name on them.
They are addressed "To Whom It May Concern".
My bullets have no one's name on them.
They are addressed "To Whom It May Concern".
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2017 05:41 PM (W2Fol)
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 05:41 PM (vIjh1)
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I guess the left simply cannot accept that they lost. Shame, they actually could learn something.
Posted by: E.Valley AZ at February 02, 2017 05:42 PM (DMYwi)
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Oooooh, very nice.
I wish I could post stuff like this on my FB and not have friends there throw a complete meltdown. It's stuff they really need to hear and ponder. Pearls before swine, God Bless 'em. They'd probably just accuse Ace of mansplaining. Ewoksplaining?
I wish I could post stuff like this on my FB and not have friends there throw a complete meltdown. It's stuff they really need to hear and ponder. Pearls before swine, God Bless 'em. They'd probably just accuse Ace of mansplaining. Ewoksplaining?
Posted by: LizLem at February 02, 2017 05:42 PM (hvf9s)
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Lyingtology
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 02, 2017 05:42 PM (ugg0N)
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Also consider their apocalyptic rhetoric. It's the talk of a zealot.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 02, 2017 05:42 PM (oVJmc)
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This is an outstanding essay that begs to be spread far and wide.
Posted by: NaCly_Dog at February 02, 2017 05:42 PM (u82oZ)
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The good news is, how long can it really take to get a new messiah?
Posted by: The Jews, 5777 and counting at February 02, 2017 05:42 PM (kumBu)
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Yes, that Messianic Cult has a name, and the name is Marxism and it teaches that ends justify the means, and that revolution is really ok, because you are doing it to give mankind fucking paradise, dude.
Posted by: runner at February 02, 2017 05:43 PM (c6/9Q)
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It's almost as if humanity keeps making the same mistakes over and over. If only some group of people would develop a set of rules that, if followed, would prevent those mistakes. Of course, it would have to be very difficult to change, or everyone would constantly be trying to change it for their immediate political advantage.
It would have to be really intelligently constructed, though, with lots of built-in protections and diffusion of power. Something on the order of our Constitution.
It would have to be really intelligently constructed, though, with lots of built-in protections and diffusion of power. Something on the order of our Constitution.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2017 05:43 PM (LAe3v)
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Pixxy pop up ads.
And it's the site.
This is a brand new phone. First trip to the Internet.
Use Dolphin browser.
And it's the site.
This is a brand new phone. First trip to the Internet.
Use Dolphin browser.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2017 05:43 PM (W2Fol)
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They have had a streak of wins in this country since the 60's 1913, why should they quit in their eyes
Posted by: Skip
Slight edit there.
Posted by: Skip
Slight edit there.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 02, 2017 05:43 PM (DNPz2)
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The GOP-E can't accept a defeat either, which is going to be Trump's real problem moving forward.
Not to be an Eeyore, but I really think the Senate is going to be where Trump gets sidelines. Not by Schumer or Pelosi, but "severely conservative "Republican Senators.
Most of Trump's achievements I think are going to have to come from Executive Orders unfortunately.
If they aren't willing to even confirm his Cabinet positions, I don't know how real laws are going to get passed.
Not to be an Eeyore, but I really think the Senate is going to be where Trump gets sidelines. Not by Schumer or Pelosi, but "severely conservative "Republican Senators.
Most of Trump's achievements I think are going to have to come from Executive Orders unfortunately.
If they aren't willing to even confirm his Cabinet positions, I don't know how real laws are going to get passed.
Posted by: Maritime at February 02, 2017 05:44 PM (qRZ4c)
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So how did that work out for Robespierre?
Anyway, the inevitable return to the norm of human history is just bad luck...
Anyway, the inevitable return to the norm of human history is just bad luck...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 02, 2017 05:44 PM (C9pBZ)
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We should be able to put bags over their heads and throw them in vans so we can take them to the deprogramming center.
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 02, 2017 05:44 PM (ugg0N)
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John Leguizamo is dead?
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi (D-Dementia) at February 02, 2017 05:45 PM (97XyN)
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What Skip said, +.
As I commented yesterday, the Dems/authoritarian racists have been winning, even when they lose.
They get most of what they want by having lawless courts cram it down the country's throat. Lose at the ballot box? No problem. A group small enough to fit in an SUV can, literally, legislative social norms for a country of 330 million.
Lose elections at all levels, wave-style? No problem. Your "opposition" won't actually oppose you, much.
So why *shouldn't* the authoritarian racists just assume they prevail, in all circumstances? They pretty much have, esp. the last 10 years, whatever the electorate, the constitution, or existing laws might say.
As I commented yesterday, the Dems/authoritarian racists have been winning, even when they lose.
They get most of what they want by having lawless courts cram it down the country's throat. Lose at the ballot box? No problem. A group small enough to fit in an SUV can, literally, legislative social norms for a country of 330 million.
Lose elections at all levels, wave-style? No problem. Your "opposition" won't actually oppose you, much.
So why *shouldn't* the authoritarian racists just assume they prevail, in all circumstances? They pretty much have, esp. the last 10 years, whatever the electorate, the constitution, or existing laws might say.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 02, 2017 05:45 PM (QDnY+)
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We will win, for varying amounts of win.
The best is just to have loved children within a two-parent framework.
The aborted ones do not get to vote on the future.
The best is just to have loved children within a two-parent framework.
The aborted ones do not get to vote on the future.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 02, 2017 05:45 PM (u82oZ)
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>>> It's almost like we're hard-wired to be religious and those who forsake a God will come to worship something else - you know, like the State.
First rule of the State...thou shalt have no other gods before the state.
But please, covet your neighbor and his wife, we fully support that!
First rule of the State...thou shalt have no other gods before the state.
But please, covet your neighbor and his wife, we fully support that!
Posted by: Your betters, plotting at February 02, 2017 05:45 PM (hvf9s)
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We need to encourage California Secession and Also encourage all the useless Left to flock to California to support the Secession!
Encourage the insanity!
Get them to congregate in vast herds of California Socialist Workers Party Blackshirts.
Keep them penned up, and let the Left do what it does best, fuck everything up.
Encourage the insanity!
Get them to congregate in vast herds of California Socialist Workers Party Blackshirts.
Keep them penned up, and let the Left do what it does best, fuck everything up.
Posted by: rd at February 02, 2017 05:45 PM (iT57s)
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I'm beginning to think Matt Bracken is a psychic.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 05:45 PM (vIjh1)
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3
It's almost like we're hard-wired to be religious and those who forsake a
God will come to worship something else - you know, like the State.
I think we are hard-wired. The religious among us think it's a search for God. The agnostic and atheistic among us explain that as a desire to impose order on chaos, because we are thinking creatures, and it scares us to contemplate how insignificant we are and how brutal life usually is.
It's almost like we're hard-wired to be religious and those who forsake a
God will come to worship something else - you know, like the State.
I think we are hard-wired. The religious among us think it's a search for God. The agnostic and atheistic among us explain that as a desire to impose order on chaos, because we are thinking creatures, and it scares us to contemplate how insignificant we are and how brutal life usually is.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2017 05:46 PM (LAe3v)
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Ace proving once again why he's the best blogger on the Internet.
Posted by: Ryan at February 02, 2017 05:46 PM (5Feof)
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>>Which is civil war, or, at best, not full civil war but roving bands of
Religious Enforcement Vigilante night-riders who terrorize outsiders and
pagans with the support and aid of their correligionists. Which we're seeing more and more of.
That's what's been so disturbing, especially within the last two weeks: these sh#tbirds are cheering on the end of civilized society. They're not even pretending to respect free speech, "dissent is the highest form of patriotism," blah blah blah. Nope, they're being like Michale Brown's mom and yelling "Burn this motherf#$@er down!!!!" --- and then calling *US* Nazis.
Religious Enforcement Vigilante night-riders who terrorize outsiders and
pagans with the support and aid of their correligionists. Which we're seeing more and more of.
That's what's been so disturbing, especially within the last two weeks: these sh#tbirds are cheering on the end of civilized society. They're not even pretending to respect free speech, "dissent is the highest form of patriotism," blah blah blah. Nope, they're being like Michale Brown's mom and yelling "Burn this motherf#$@er down!!!!" --- and then calling *US* Nazis.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2017 05:46 PM (NOIQH)
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Moldbug much?
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 02, 2017 05:46 PM (yct0x)
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Most of Trump's achievements I think are going to have to come from Executive Orders unfortunately.
If they aren't willing to even confirm his Cabinet positions, I don't know how real laws are going to get passed.
Trump will take to Twitter and appeal directly to the miscreant senator's voters.
If they aren't willing to even confirm his Cabinet positions, I don't know how real laws are going to get passed.
Trump will take to Twitter and appeal directly to the miscreant senator's voters.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2017 05:46 PM (W2Fol)
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Modern Leftism is a religion of sorts. It has an orthodox set of beliefs which it insists can't be challenged by skepticism or reason.
It's a fellow traveler with Islam, and shares with it a deep-rooted intolerance of non-believers.
It's a fellow traveler with Islam, and shares with it a deep-rooted intolerance of non-believers.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 05:46 PM (SIY7D)
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"traditional religions are nicely circumscribed as far as their scope and ambition"
Except for those occasions, like this week, when they disgrace themselves with vile mendacious slander suitable for Rev. Wright's "church" - see Catholic bishops' outrageous brownshirt imitation re the immigration/refugee EO.
Except for those occasions, like this week, when they disgrace themselves with vile mendacious slander suitable for Rev. Wright's "church" - see Catholic bishops' outrageous brownshirt imitation re the immigration/refugee EO.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 02, 2017 05:46 PM (QDnY+)
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Everyone on the left rolled up a new DND character after the election, and they all picked Blackguards.
VECNA NEEDS SKULLS, HEATHEN!
VECNA NEEDS SKULLS, HEATHEN!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 05:47 PM (kumBu)
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I always like these think pieces, but why are we trying to understand them?
Did understanding Stalin stop the mass murder?
Did understanding Stalin stop the mass murder?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 05:47 PM (4ErVI)
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I am almost 100% sure that Trump has thought this through and knows exactly what he is going to do to overcome the Senate hurdle. Right now they are a useful diversion.
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 02, 2017 05:47 PM (ugg0N)
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The difference between right and left is a fundamental disagreement about the role of government in our lives.
Conservatives believe in a small government that focuses on a few strictly defined objectives such as national defense. The left going by whatever name suits them today and they do love to come up with exciting new names and words, believes that government's role is to rule over us because only a small band of "elites" knows what is good for us.
The left believes government is there to solve all problems while the right believes, as Ronald Reagan said, the government IS the problem. I'm not sure how we ever square this one.
Conservatives believe in a small government that focuses on a few strictly defined objectives such as national defense. The left going by whatever name suits them today and they do love to come up with exciting new names and words, believes that government's role is to rule over us because only a small band of "elites" knows what is good for us.
The left believes government is there to solve all problems while the right believes, as Ronald Reagan said, the government IS the problem. I'm not sure how we ever square this one.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2017 05:47 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 02, 2017 05:48 PM (LWdJM)
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All the Leftist think if California secession is a reality it will become a utopia, for one they can't do it and two it will become Venezuela.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2017 05:48 PM (Frvrc)
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32 Modern Leftism is a religion of sorts. It has an orthodox set of beliefs which it insists can't be challenged by skepticism or reason.
It's a fellow traveler with Islam, and shares with it a deep-rooted intolerance of non-believers.
Until they start getting thrown off of roof tops.
It's a fellow traveler with Islam, and shares with it a deep-rooted intolerance of non-believers.
Until they start getting thrown off of roof tops.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2017 05:48 PM (W2Fol)
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California Socialist Workers Party Blackshirts.
How about CRAZIS
-or-
Green Socialist Workers Party, the GREEZIS?
Because deep in their Socialist hearts, there is a Totalitarian waiting to spring forth.
How about CRAZIS
-or-
Green Socialist Workers Party, the GREEZIS?
Because deep in their Socialist hearts, there is a Totalitarian waiting to spring forth.
Posted by: rd at February 02, 2017 05:48 PM (iT57s)
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Bezos better pay attention to business and keep his ugly mug out of politics. Drudge headline.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 02, 2017 05:49 PM (oVJmc)
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The left ... believes that government's
role is to rule over us because only a small band of "elites" knows what
is good for us.
You forgot to mention that they always assume THEY are the elites.
role is to rule over us because only a small band of "elites" knows what
is good for us.
You forgot to mention that they always assume THEY are the elites.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2017 05:49 PM (LAe3v)
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Because they're insane.
Take a gander at the Chicago Tribune.
"Trump Immigration Order Revives Horrible Memories for Holocaust Survivors."
Read it again.
And remember that the Trib is considered the Republican newspaper in Chicago.
Take a gander at the Chicago Tribune.
"Trump Immigration Order Revives Horrible Memories for Holocaust Survivors."
Read it again.
And remember that the Trib is considered the Republican newspaper in Chicago.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 02, 2017 05:49 PM (n3MnG)
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The Left are Bold and the Right are Brave.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 02, 2017 05:49 PM (LWdJM)
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Leftists never admit defeat because they would have nothing left if they did.
They have no life outside of politics.
Just look at the Clinton's and Kennedy's. Grifters and criminals.
They have no life outside of politics.
Just look at the Clinton's and Kennedy's. Grifters and criminals.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 02, 2017 05:49 PM (uUBML)
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I watched in wonder as they threw the whole boat away in 2009. Then when they magically won in 2012 (then again maybe it wasn't magic, maybe this country had the right sense about Turd Romney), I questioned everything I knew about this country. About reality even. I questioned whether I really watched them throw it all away.
Well, I did. I did see it. I was not mistaken.
What's truly incredible is I am watching it again. Their entire party is now about to go down in well deserved flames. Normal everyday people don't want anything to do with this shit. The Democrat Party as you know it, is about to be fucked beyond measure.
Well, I did. I did see it. I was not mistaken.
What's truly incredible is I am watching it again. Their entire party is now about to go down in well deserved flames. Normal everyday people don't want anything to do with this shit. The Democrat Party as you know it, is about to be fucked beyond measure.
Posted by: Mega at February 02, 2017 05:49 PM (EdXI9)
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When I see an adult man's penis highlighted as a link, my heterosexual subconsciousness triggers an alarm at the speed of light.
Posted by: Fritz at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (2BjYu)
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Does this mean I can start punching heads?
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (qUNWi)
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Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2017 05:43 PM (W2Fol)
Mercury browser has better scrolling controls!
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Posted by: Hrothgar at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (UDXti)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (/tuJf)
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Of course, this isn't entirely new - 'immanentize the eschaton' has been in the political lexicon for a long time. But social media makes it not only easier to control the herd, it gives the pack animals a megaphone.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (kumBu)
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Really one of the best analysis that you've done, Ace.
I am always tempted to post pictures from the Civil War on Facebook with the comment "Is this what you really want?"
I am always tempted to post pictures from the Civil War on Facebook with the comment "Is this what you really want?"
Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (7LRwl)
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We just cancelled Amazon Prime. We'll be using Walmart/Jet/Barnes and Noble for online purchasing.
Or not buying anything.
Cue The Idler Manifesto.
Or not buying anything.
Cue The Idler Manifesto.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (n3MnG)
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46 Leftists never admit defeat because they would have nothing left if they did.
They have no life outside of politics.
And they are just so damned superior to us Rubes...
They have no life outside of politics.
And they are just so damned superior to us Rubes...
Posted by: deplorable donna at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (O2RFr)
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"Most of Trump's achievements I think are going to have to come from Executive Orders unfortunately.
If they aren't willing to even confirm his Cabinet positions, I don't know how real laws are going to get passed."
Trump may still get all his nominees approved, SCOTUS included. It looks like he's not bribing anyone for their vote.
It gets interesting when we get into new legislation, like Infrastructure where Trump will need to peel off 10 D Senators. Expect carrots and sticks for those D Senators vulnerable in 2018.
Expect some punishment for AZ, ME and NY (fuck you Chuck!)
If they aren't willing to even confirm his Cabinet positions, I don't know how real laws are going to get passed."
Trump may still get all his nominees approved, SCOTUS included. It looks like he's not bribing anyone for their vote.
It gets interesting when we get into new legislation, like Infrastructure where Trump will need to peel off 10 D Senators. Expect carrots and sticks for those D Senators vulnerable in 2018.
Expect some punishment for AZ, ME and NY (fuck you Chuck!)
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 05:51 PM (SIY7D)
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Leftism is also very Utopian (like Marxism). If you have the path to Utopia, everything is justified against those in your way.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 02, 2017 05:51 PM (oVJmc)
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Any religion with recycling as a sacrament needs to fuck off.
Posted by: Dang at February 02, 2017 05:51 PM (8b+oT)
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One thing from election night. If you watched the coverage (or even better, when ace re posted the election night coverage), you will see that the left and the media were absolutely willing to bet their lives that Trump would lose. They were that damn sure of it. Which is why when the night went on they couldn't deal with it.
So I think this is a large factor of why they are acting like they are. Their world was turned upside down and the only way they can deal with it is violence.
So I think this is a large factor of why they are acting like they are. Their world was turned upside down and the only way they can deal with it is violence.
Posted by: HH at February 02, 2017 05:51 PM (DrCtv)
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I could not agree more. Thanks ace.
Posted by: USNtakim at February 02, 2017 05:51 PM (hMqvx)
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>>>We just cancelled Amazon Prime. We'll be using Walmart/Jet/Barnes and Noble for online purchasing.
i must have missed Bezos' statement -- what did he do that is bothering people?
i must have missed Bezos' statement -- what did he do that is bothering people?
Posted by: ace at February 02, 2017 05:52 PM (8rNrN)
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Wow, someone wrote out my thoughts into a comprehensive essay. The left are so radically angry because their church (the holy order of bureaucrats or for some of them GAIA) lost the election and right thinking people cannot allow their church/god to be defeated.
Its also IMO why they are comfy with Islam. They disagree on the details but they both favor a theocratic government.
Its also IMO why they are comfy with Islam. They disagree on the details but they both favor a theocratic government.
Posted by: PaleRider at February 02, 2017 05:52 PM (dkExz)
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Any religion with recycling as a sacrament needs to f*** off.
Posted by: Dang
To say nothing of penumbral emanations.
Any religion with recycling as a sacrament needs to f*** off.
Posted by: Dang
To say nothing of penumbral emanations.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2017 05:52 PM (LAe3v)
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" Progressives, as the terms implies, believe society must always be progressing toward something better. Always forward, never backwards."
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“Progress means getting nearer to the place you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turning, then to go forward does not get you any nearer.
If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man.”
― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
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“Progress means getting nearer to the place you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turning, then to go forward does not get you any nearer.
If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man.”
― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2017 05:53 PM (ZO497)
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After the election, I kinda felt like the folks in Wargames when the phantom Soviet strikes proved to be phantasmal. Now, for me, it resembles the moment when they find out that WOPR is still trying to launch the missiles and fear that Armageddon might still occur. It is because the left is too wrapped up in their thinking that they will "win" a civil war or a coup or some other stupid putsch.
Anarchy and tyranny are no ones friends and revolutions eat their own.
Anarchy and tyranny are no ones friends and revolutions eat their own.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2017 05:53 PM (R15Tp)
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>>> I think we are hard-wired. The religious among us think it's a search for God.
I definitely subscribe to that, Pep, the idea that God hardwired a homing device in our souls to search for him and Home. Thus the importance of the first commandment in keeping our spiritual priorities straight. The ways in which that natural desire gets twisted and warped by the secular, in particular by the political, is at times disheartening. And when it is used by a state to crush our fellow human beings it is devastating.
I definitely subscribe to that, Pep, the idea that God hardwired a homing device in our souls to search for him and Home. Thus the importance of the first commandment in keeping our spiritual priorities straight. The ways in which that natural desire gets twisted and warped by the secular, in particular by the political, is at times disheartening. And when it is used by a state to crush our fellow human beings it is devastating.
Posted by: LizLem at February 02, 2017 05:53 PM (hvf9s)
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Once again you're exactly right, Shelvey. This is why I'm worried. Not about DJT, and anything he'll do. But that some idiots will push too far, and then we'll really be in trouble. What I don't get is why no one on the left seems to see where this is going. They're not ALL that ignorant, or have zero regard for the rule of law - do they?
God, I hope I'm wrong.
God, I hope I'm wrong.
Posted by: iwuzhere at February 02, 2017 05:53 PM (GRNzr)
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Well if it is Civil War, then I shall join the Roundheads. Hair is mostly gone anyway. Be damned if I'll wear a foppish wig.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 02, 2017 05:53 PM (FtrY1)
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Sargon of Akkad on youtube - a classical liberal, damned sharp and funny as f*ck - has tons of excellent talks/docs on the nature of cults and sjw and politics in general. Much recommended, if you don't want to go the whole Voeglin route and learn the 'immanentize the eschaton' bit.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 02, 2017 05:53 PM (GdhCW)
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That's all fine and dandy, Ace, but what about the virgin and the volcano?
I guess one could read the post to find out.
I guess one could read the post to find out.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2017 05:53 PM (1CroS)
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Great essay ace.
Too bad the people that need to read this, never will.
It's a hard rain, gonna fall.
Too bad the people that need to read this, never will.
It's a hard rain, gonna fall.
Posted by: Joe Mama at February 02, 2017 05:54 PM (hrlSe)
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I wouldn't describe my religion as "nicely circumcised". That's Nunya Business.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 02, 2017 05:54 PM (YsaNw)
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People who think this is all a good idea are very fuzzy on history. Looking at the French revolution - Sure loads of people died and ultimately it dissolved in ridiculous Utopian drivel...but they meant well.
Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at February 02, 2017 05:54 PM (UgF8H)
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>>Trump may still get all his nominees approved, SCOTUS included. It looks like he's not bribing anyone for their vote.
Trump WILL get all his nominees approved including Gorsuch. No may about it.
The last 4 Sec of State were all approved with over 90 votes. What we are seeing now is something new and unprecedented. And when you see someone like Orrin Hatch say words like "crap" and "idiots" you know there is some righteous anger on the right.
Conservatives are much like America itself which shouldn't be surprising since we built the place, slow to anger but filled with a terrible resolve when angered.
Trump WILL get all his nominees approved including Gorsuch. No may about it.
The last 4 Sec of State were all approved with over 90 votes. What we are seeing now is something new and unprecedented. And when you see someone like Orrin Hatch say words like "crap" and "idiots" you know there is some righteous anger on the right.
Conservatives are much like America itself which shouldn't be surprising since we built the place, slow to anger but filled with a terrible resolve when angered.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2017 05:54 PM (/tuJf)
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Bezos is participating in the WA class action against Trump.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 02, 2017 05:54 PM (n3MnG)
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Interesting to see "minimum viability" here. That's a software-industry buzzword from a couple of years ago. It means roughly the same thing there that it means in the article: beyond a certain point, the more things you try to do, the more likely you are to fail at everything.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 02, 2017 05:54 PM (OVUYQ)
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I think I haven't set my pessimism low enough. My liberals (including, just now, a lawyer who got there through JAG) are justifying Berkeley in the name of Resisting Trump.
I believe it's time for me to feign an interest in sports.
I believe it's time for me to feign an interest in sports.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 05:55 PM (mgbwf)
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Anthony Weiner grafted on the Schwanz Of Vecna when a Congressman, it hasn't gone well for him since
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 02, 2017 05:55 PM (yct0x)
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President Donald Trump has been president less than two weeks.
Less than 320 hours.
I wish he had his cabinet in place. But he is making huge progress. He is running roughshod over the Democrats and driving the ENTIRE MSM crazy.
It is going to be a long eight years. We need to support Trump and all his fighting allies.
Less than 320 hours.
I wish he had his cabinet in place. But he is making huge progress. He is running roughshod over the Democrats and driving the ENTIRE MSM crazy.
It is going to be a long eight years. We need to support Trump and all his fighting allies.
Posted by: rd at February 02, 2017 05:55 PM (iT57s)
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Uh, which restroom should we use?
Posted by: Men With Penis Hats at February 02, 2017 05:55 PM (Tyii7)
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I think the fact that Leftists fully openly sanction the sale of dead baby organs should tell us everything we need to know about who they are and the entity they worship.
Posted by: Mega at February 02, 2017 05:55 PM (EdXI9)
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The state would be more rules-light, and leave more freedom to citizens, thus reducing the incentive to, or need for, resort to violent bloodshed when Your Guy wasn't on the throne.
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That idea is SOOOOOOOOOOO 17th century.
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That idea is SOOOOOOOOOOO 17th century.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 02, 2017 05:55 PM (Nwg0u)
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Pixxy pop up ads.
And it's the site.
This is a brand new phone. First trip to the Internet.
Use Dolphin browser.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2017 05:43 PM (W2Fol)
Or turn off JavaScript.
And it's the site.
This is a brand new phone. First trip to the Internet.
Use Dolphin browser.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2017 05:43 PM (W2Fol)
Or turn off JavaScript.
Posted by: filbert at February 02, 2017 05:55 PM (dIP+j)
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This all goes to the concept of the "Lightworker"
This doesn't necessarily refer to persons who get off work early and go to the golf course, like a recent President, but it may.
Lightworkers are those who volunteered, before birth, to help the planet and its population heal from the effects of fear. Each lightworker is here for a sacred purpose.
Very often, however, life on earth with its material focus creates a form of amnesia in lightworkers.
This doesn't necessarily refer to persons who get off work early and go to the golf course, like a recent President, but it may.
Lightworkers are those who volunteered, before birth, to help the planet and its population heal from the effects of fear. Each lightworker is here for a sacred purpose.
Very often, however, life on earth with its material focus creates a form of amnesia in lightworkers.
Posted by: undocumented illegal theologian at February 02, 2017 05:56 PM (e8kgV)
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Sure loads of people died and ultimately it dissolved in ridiculous Utopian drivel...but they meant well.
This should be the epitaph on every leftist's gravestone. "He meant well".
This should be the epitaph on every leftist's gravestone. "He meant well".
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2017 05:56 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: deplorable donna at February 02, 2017 05:56 PM (O2RFr)
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Which is civil war, or, at best, not full civil war but roving bands of Religious Enforcement Vigilante night-riders who terrorize outsiders and pagans with the support and aid of their correligionists.
Which we're seeing more and more of.
I predict in the next several years these roving bands the Left has will also emerge on the Right. And they will be uglier and meaner than the Left could imagine.
Which we're seeing more and more of.
I predict in the next several years these roving bands the Left has will also emerge on the Right. And they will be uglier and meaner than the Left could imagine.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 02, 2017 05:56 PM (uAkpP)
Posted by: garrett at February 02, 2017 05:56 PM (sW3DN)
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77 Trump has made rioting great again!
Posted by: steevy at February 02, 2017 05:56 PM (r/0kC)
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This M. le Spades, he speaks forthrightly.
Posted by: Maximillien Robespierre at February 02, 2017 05:56 PM (DMUuz)
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Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up now!
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi (D-Dementia) at February 02, 2017 05:56 PM (97XyN)
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67. Populist leaders - and trump is one - have a bad history of surviving. What people don't get is that this can lead to a Caesar.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 02, 2017 05:56 PM (GdhCW)
Posted by: garrett at February 02, 2017 05:57 PM (sW3DN)
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A digression from the main point, but the 30 years war is actually a piss poor example of a real religious war.
It started when the Habsburgs, the traditionally elected monarchs of Bohemia, demanded to be made the hereditary monarchs of Bohemia.
The most important member of the "Protestant" side was also the most power Catholic nation France.
The most powerful Protestant nation - England - was neutral.
It started when the Habsburgs, the traditionally elected monarchs of Bohemia, demanded to be made the hereditary monarchs of Bohemia.
The most important member of the "Protestant" side was also the most power Catholic nation France.
The most powerful Protestant nation - England - was neutral.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 02, 2017 05:57 PM (aZq03)
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We just cancelled Amazon Prime. We'll be using Walmart/Jet/Barnes and Noble for online purchasing.
Or not buying anything.
Cue The Idler Manifesto.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (n3MnG)
Welcome to the club.
Or not buying anything.
Cue The Idler Manifesto.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 02, 2017 05:50 PM (n3MnG)
Welcome to the club.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 05:57 PM (rAIG/)
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3 It's almost like we're hard-wired to be religious and those who forsake a God will come to worship something else - you know, like the State.
But that's crazy talk!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 05:40 PM (kumBu)
Shocking that no one ever thought of this before.....
But that's crazy talk!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 05:40 PM (kumBu)
Shocking that no one ever thought of this before.....
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 05:57 PM (nnAfn)
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Obviously false dichotomy - if that is what is asserted - between religious, and authoritarian/statist.
Plenty of hybrids that include both.
Devout Catholic do-gooders who are comfortable with massive, oppressive state power, and elimination of freedom - so long as their generally ignorant moral narcissism is assuaged and indulged.
Just one example that is currently prominent ("social justice" garbage), sure there are other religious flavors exhibiting the same thing.
Also, lazy and inaccurate assumption that the non-religious must per force end up embracing some sort of secular religion. Environmentalist whackos lack religion, but also mostly lack analytical critical thinking ability, and native intelligence.
Plenty of sane completely non-religious people who value limited govt., freedom (incl. prominently freedom of religion), and common sense.
Plenty of hybrids that include both.
Devout Catholic do-gooders who are comfortable with massive, oppressive state power, and elimination of freedom - so long as their generally ignorant moral narcissism is assuaged and indulged.
Just one example that is currently prominent ("social justice" garbage), sure there are other religious flavors exhibiting the same thing.
Also, lazy and inaccurate assumption that the non-religious must per force end up embracing some sort of secular religion. Environmentalist whackos lack religion, but also mostly lack analytical critical thinking ability, and native intelligence.
Plenty of sane completely non-religious people who value limited govt., freedom (incl. prominently freedom of religion), and common sense.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (QDnY+)
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I wish I could post stuff like this on my FB and not have friends there throw a complete meltdown. It's stuff they really need to hear and ponder. Pearls before swine, God Bless 'em. They'd probably just accuse Ace of mansplaining. Ewoksplaining?
Posted by: LizLem at February 02, 2017 05:42 PM (hvf9s)
Why are you so afraid of these so-called friends?
Posted by: LizLem at February 02, 2017 05:42 PM (hvf9s)
Why are you so afraid of these so-called friends?
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (uAkpP)
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>>>75 Bezos is participating in the WA class action against Trump.
I guess I can begin consciously uncoupling from the amazon ecoystem.
I guess I can begin consciously uncoupling from the amazon ecoystem.
Posted by: ace at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (8rNrN)
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One game changer is that President Trump has shown to the masses that the media can't be trusted. They covered for Barak for 9 years and its the only thing I think that gave him 2012.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (Frvrc)
Posted by: Bob Cobb at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (sW3DN)
Posted by: A Messianic Leftist at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (OzJeO)
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"Shocking that no one ever thought of this before.....
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 05:57 PM (nnAfn) "
Someone should write a book about it.
Perhaps a book about Liberal Fascism, as well...
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 05:57 PM (nnAfn) "
Someone should write a book about it.
Perhaps a book about Liberal Fascism, as well...
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 05:59 PM (kumBu)
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I wish I could post stuff like this on my FB and not have friends there throw a complete meltdown
They aren't your friends. They'd throw you into the fire in a heartbeat.
I wish I could post stuff like this on my FB and not have friends there throw a complete meltdown
They aren't your friends. They'd throw you into the fire in a heartbeat.
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 05:59 PM (nnAfn)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 02, 2017 05:59 PM (DNPz2)
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You haven't lived until you've heard an elderly paunchy liberal Baby Boomer shaking with rage, and promising to go to the mattresses over Donald Trump.
Yes, it's true that they've never shot a gun in their lives, and wouldn't know how to shoot it if you handed them one that was loaded and ready to go. Yes, they've never so much as thrown a punch in anger, much less soaked one up. Yes, it's also true that they're barely able to get in and out of a car unaided, or climb a flight of stairs without getting winded.
But to listen to them right now? They've got their war faces on. They're ready to, like, y'know, "take the fight to the streets".
What's happening here is elaborate and sadistic Walter Mitty fantasizing about what they'd like to do to the people who disagree with them.
In their minds, they're in a rough-hewn guerrilla camp up in the Sierra Maestra with the young Fidel, all of them wearing stylishly tilted Che berets, preparing to descend into the cities and mete out righteous revolutionary violence. Up against the wall, motherfucker!
Until the supplies of Poli-grip and stool softener run low, and they realize that a canvas tarp over rocky ground isn't _quite_ as comfortable as their electric blanket and custom orthopedic mattress back home. To say nothing of the lack of Whole Foods dining options. And the whole shitting-in-a-ditch business.
Other than THAT, though, they're totes down with the struggle, and ready on a moment's notice to ruck up, lock and load, and go inflict lots of lethal damage on The Man. You bet. No doubt about it.
Yes, it's true that they've never shot a gun in their lives, and wouldn't know how to shoot it if you handed them one that was loaded and ready to go. Yes, they've never so much as thrown a punch in anger, much less soaked one up. Yes, it's also true that they're barely able to get in and out of a car unaided, or climb a flight of stairs without getting winded.
But to listen to them right now? They've got their war faces on. They're ready to, like, y'know, "take the fight to the streets".
What's happening here is elaborate and sadistic Walter Mitty fantasizing about what they'd like to do to the people who disagree with them.
In their minds, they're in a rough-hewn guerrilla camp up in the Sierra Maestra with the young Fidel, all of them wearing stylishly tilted Che berets, preparing to descend into the cities and mete out righteous revolutionary violence. Up against the wall, motherfucker!
Until the supplies of Poli-grip and stool softener run low, and they realize that a canvas tarp over rocky ground isn't _quite_ as comfortable as their electric blanket and custom orthopedic mattress back home. To say nothing of the lack of Whole Foods dining options. And the whole shitting-in-a-ditch business.
Other than THAT, though, they're totes down with the struggle, and ready on a moment's notice to ruck up, lock and load, and go inflict lots of lethal damage on The Man. You bet. No doubt about it.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2017 05:59 PM (noWW6)
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The Hollywood and Academic Left are playing a game they're not going to like when it gets rough. Trump was the democratic response to their predations. The next response to their violence and calls for 'war' may not be nearly as nice.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at February 02, 2017 05:59 PM (ppaKI)
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Country Boy, that's what I'm afraid of. Not that the violent-prone Left doesn't deserve some might pushback - they're overdue for some - but once that sort of thing begins, it's impossible to stop. Gang warfare on a national political stage. Like the '20s in Germany between the Reds and the (real) Nazis.
Posted by: iwuzhere at February 02, 2017 05:59 PM (GRNzr)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at February 02, 2017 06:00 PM (Tyii7)
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Also, lazy and inaccurate assumption that the non-religious must per force end up embracing some sort of secular religion.
It isn't that they must, it's that they so often do.
It isn't that they must, it's that they so often do.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2017 06:00 PM (LAe3v)
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This should be the epitaph on every leftist's gravestone. "He meant well".
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I was thinking "PISS HERE".
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I was thinking "PISS HERE".
Posted by: Mega at February 02, 2017 06:00 PM (EdXI9)
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WHO POLITIC THIS BE!
Posted by: AL SHARPTON at February 02, 2017 06:00 PM (sW3DN)
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Yeah I say this a lot. They think you're keeping them out of Earthly Paradise by your intransigence, of *course* they're driven to a frenzy.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 02, 2017 06:00 PM (wB8Tg)
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My Uncle invented the Caeser Salad.
Posted by: Bob Cobb
Pfft. The other coot in the balcony invented a better one.
Posted by: Bob Cobb
Pfft. The other coot in the balcony invented a better one.
Posted by: Statler at February 02, 2017 06:00 PM (mgbwf)
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Hey, where is Val Jar?....
Posted by: KWDreaming at February 02, 2017 06:01 PM (AkcYt)
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Glad to see this being discussed here. When and where is my question.
Posted by: JROD at February 02, 2017 06:01 PM (jEV5Y)
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So here's the fundamental thing. Humans need to be governed. Otherwise we are mere beasts; acting on instinct.
We cannot act on instinct alone, or we are mere animals. So, we need governing.
The argument comes in who is to govern? Conservatives and Christians argue that self governance is best. People who know how to govern themselves need little outside government, except for things like armies and so forth.
Liberals argue that we can be animals and give government the responsibility to see that it doesn't spiral out of control. With, of course, them in control of us all. It is seductive: "Do what you want, we'll make sure nothing bad happens!" But ultimately, it requires giving them complete power over you, including them killing you.
And we all know that the left has no problems at all with genocide and killing humans.
We cannot act on instinct alone, or we are mere animals. So, we need governing.
The argument comes in who is to govern? Conservatives and Christians argue that self governance is best. People who know how to govern themselves need little outside government, except for things like armies and so forth.
Liberals argue that we can be animals and give government the responsibility to see that it doesn't spiral out of control. With, of course, them in control of us all. It is seductive: "Do what you want, we'll make sure nothing bad happens!" But ultimately, it requires giving them complete power over you, including them killing you.
And we all know that the left has no problems at all with genocide and killing humans.
Posted by: Vanceone at February 02, 2017 06:01 PM (KbgjX)
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https://tinyurl.com/jkws7b2
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The Party of Outrage
Democrats can barely keep up with their problems with Trump, raising some to wonder if their perpetual opposition is undermining a more focused message.
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The Party of Outrage
Democrats can barely keep up with their problems with Trump, raising some to wonder if their perpetual opposition is undermining a more focused message.
Posted by: EVLINC! at February 02, 2017 06:01 PM (y3aQB)
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Don't tell us what we can't do. We're totally going to Immunize the Elsydeon!
Or was it, uh, Incinerate the Escaflowne?
Whatever it is, we're going to do it.
Or was it, uh, Incinerate the Escaflowne?
Whatever it is, we're going to do it.
Posted by: UC Berkeley Militants at February 02, 2017 06:01 PM (kumBu)
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"Trump Immigration Order Revives Horrible Memories for Holocaust Survivors."
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Hitler wouldn't let the Jewish refugees into the Reich.
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Hitler wouldn't let the Jewish refugees into the Reich.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 02, 2017 06:01 PM (Nwg0u)
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If these be interesting times, I want no part of them.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM (xeeHA)
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"It won't end well. It will end, eventually. But not well, and not without many, many casualties, of both the guilty and innocent kind"
There's always some chance that we get the Bloody Civil War that some here seem to crave, or at least fantasize.
With Trump's election, the odds have gone down IMO from slim and are now closer to none, at least in the near-term.
Something like 65 million voted for Hillary, but out of that I'd say only five to ten million are hard core crazy. Unfortunately too many have key positions in The Borg. There's a relatively small number who do the public agitating we saw last night in Berkeley. And there's only so many washed-up celebs like Sarah Silverman who are desperate to remain Relevant.
So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world
There's always some chance that we get the Bloody Civil War that some here seem to crave, or at least fantasize.
With Trump's election, the odds have gone down IMO from slim and are now closer to none, at least in the near-term.
Something like 65 million voted for Hillary, but out of that I'd say only five to ten million are hard core crazy. Unfortunately too many have key positions in The Borg. There's a relatively small number who do the public agitating we saw last night in Berkeley. And there's only so many washed-up celebs like Sarah Silverman who are desperate to remain Relevant.
So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM (SIY7D)
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It's almost like we're hard-wired to be religious and those who forsake a God will come to worship something else - you know, like the State.
Which is why communism imposes atheism.
Which is why communism imposes atheism.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM (Om16U)
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Once again you're exactly right, Shelvey. This is why I'm worried. Not about DJT, and anything he'll do. But that some idiots will push too far, and then we'll really be in trouble. What I don't get is why no one on the left seems to see where this is going. They're not ALL that ignorant, or have zero regard for the rule of law - do they?
God, I hope I'm wrong.
Posted by: iwuzhere at February 02, 2017 05:53 PM
The people financing the Left plan on profiting on the chaos and instability.
People like George Soros.
And People that do not even live here.
Money is International. Trade is International.
And if the US is convulsed in unrest, markets will move. Trillions in Profits will be won and lost.
Once again you're exactly right, Shelvey. This is why I'm worried. Not about DJT, and anything he'll do. But that some idiots will push too far, and then we'll really be in trouble. What I don't get is why no one on the left seems to see where this is going. They're not ALL that ignorant, or have zero regard for the rule of law - do they?
God, I hope I'm wrong.
Posted by: iwuzhere at February 02, 2017 05:53 PM
The people financing the Left plan on profiting on the chaos and instability.
People like George Soros.
And People that do not even live here.
Money is International. Trade is International.
And if the US is convulsed in unrest, markets will move. Trillions in Profits will be won and lost.
Posted by: rd at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM (iT57s)
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I think we are hard-wired. The religious among us
think it's a search for God. The agnostic and atheistic among us explain
that as a desire to impose order on chaos, because we are thinking
creatures, and it scares us to contemplate how insignificant we are and
how brutal life usually is.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2017 05:46 PM (LAe3v)
Hence the Theatre of the Absurd, ie nihilism. The nihilist, those who will only admit that they are sacks of meat, existential ciphers, have no reason to go on. They might try to find meaning for a while in a "cause" but it's an empty promise.
think it's a search for God. The agnostic and atheistic among us explain
that as a desire to impose order on chaos, because we are thinking
creatures, and it scares us to contemplate how insignificant we are and
how brutal life usually is.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2017 05:46 PM (LAe3v)
Hence the Theatre of the Absurd, ie nihilism. The nihilist, those who will only admit that they are sacks of meat, existential ciphers, have no reason to go on. They might try to find meaning for a while in a "cause" but it's an empty promise.
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM (nnAfn)
Posted by: DaveA at February 02, 2017 06:03 PM (8J/Te)
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Can't take all this #winning
Lawyer behind false Iraq abuse claims against British Army struck off
"The disgraced solicitor brought thousands of cases of historical abuse against the military and its role in Iraq."
Lawyer behind false Iraq abuse claims against British Army struck off
"The disgraced solicitor brought thousands of cases of historical abuse against the military and its role in Iraq."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 02, 2017 06:04 PM (DNPz2)
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Liberals argue that we can be animals and give government the
responsibility to see that it doesn't spiral out of control. With, of
course, them in control of us all. It is seductive: "Do what you want,
we'll make sure nothing bad happens!" But ultimately, it requires
giving them complete power over you, including them killing you.
To quote Madison:
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to
govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would
be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men
over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the
government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to
control itself. "
Liberals argue that we can be animals and give government the
responsibility to see that it doesn't spiral out of control. With, of
course, them in control of us all. It is seductive: "Do what you want,
we'll make sure nothing bad happens!" But ultimately, it requires
giving them complete power over you, including them killing you.
To quote Madison:
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to
govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would
be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men
over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the
government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to
control itself. "
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Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 02, 2017 06:04 PM (8iiMU)
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Can she eat more kale?' Hordes of liberals want reassurance RBG's health is good
HAHAHA
Posted by: EVLINC! at February 02, 2017 06:04 PM (y3aQB)
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"They were that damn sure of it. Which is why when the night went on they couldn't deal with it. So I think this is a large factor of why they are acting like they are. Their world was turned upside down and the only way they can deal with it is violence."
Also, they are having a hard time admitting to themselves that they lost in part because they themselves fucked up horribly.
Said admission being hard to do for a bunch of arrogant narcissists who explode with anger at the merest suggestion that they're anything other than brilliant and omnicompetent.
Also, they are having a hard time admitting to themselves that they lost in part because they themselves fucked up horribly.
Said admission being hard to do for a bunch of arrogant narcissists who explode with anger at the merest suggestion that they're anything other than brilliant and omnicompetent.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2017 06:04 PM (noWW6)
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"101 >>this can lead to a Caesar.
My Uncle invented the Caeser Salad."
One of my law partners has a Caesar haircut. My buddy told him to beware the Ides of March at a meeting and he got pissed.
My Uncle invented the Caeser Salad."
One of my law partners has a Caesar haircut. My buddy told him to beware the Ides of March at a meeting and he got pissed.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2017 06:04 PM (OD2ni)
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>>>75 Bezos is participating in the WA class action against Trump.
I guess I can begin consciously uncoupling from the amazon ecoystem.
Posted by: ace at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (8rNrN)
It is necessary... I wonder if we could crowd fund a conservative alternative to Amazon? And facebook and twitter?
>>>75 Bezos is participating in the WA class action against Trump.
I guess I can begin consciously uncoupling from the amazon ecoystem.
Posted by: ace at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (8rNrN)
It is necessary... I wonder if we could crowd fund a conservative alternative to Amazon? And facebook and twitter?
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:04 PM (rAIG/)
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all is perfect with leftist life
Posted by: Walter Duranty at February 02, 2017 06:05 PM (DpOmP)
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Certain leftist Christian sects also espouse a similar viewpoint. They believe rather than waiting for THE kingdom it's their job to make it AHEAD of schedule so the kingdom is already here by the time Christ comes. Or something. And make it they will, one way or another.
Posted by: John Nada at February 02, 2017 06:05 PM (pCUr3)
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When you believe that the ends justify the means at establishing your Utopia on society, history does not matter.... Only the future.
Posted by: Pepe, Moar Pleaae. at February 02, 2017 06:05 PM (O6j88)
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In 2008 we argued that Bush, for all his failings, had actually handled the ccrap Clinton had left him and that McCain was actually pretty much the opposite of him in most ways anyway and the Left said, "No all you people look the same you NAZIs"
And we got Obama.
In 2012 we said hey Obama's really causing some issues, we offer up this left leaning technocrat who is really, really good at fixing bad bureaucracies and making them work and the Left said, "No all you people look the same you NAZIs"
In 2014 we gave the whole of the Congress to the Republicans and said for God's sake stop! Just stop for a minute. And the left said fuck you, war. And we will win. And you will be forced to say there are whoever many fingers, penises, or vaginas as we say there are.
Well...in 2016 we finally joined the war in progress and it looks like just maybe we picked the right guy to lead out side.
But the left started the war and until they feel pain for it they will continue. So right now our focus has to be how to best inflict pain on them.
And we got Obama.
In 2012 we said hey Obama's really causing some issues, we offer up this left leaning technocrat who is really, really good at fixing bad bureaucracies and making them work and the Left said, "No all you people look the same you NAZIs"
In 2014 we gave the whole of the Congress to the Republicans and said for God's sake stop! Just stop for a minute. And the left said fuck you, war. And we will win. And you will be forced to say there are whoever many fingers, penises, or vaginas as we say there are.
Well...in 2016 we finally joined the war in progress and it looks like just maybe we picked the right guy to lead out side.
But the left started the war and until they feel pain for it they will continue. So right now our focus has to be how to best inflict pain on them.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 02, 2017 06:05 PM (aZq03)
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>>The nihilist, those who will only admit that they are sacks of meat, existential ciphers, have no reason to go on.
I endure out of pure spite, thank you very much.
I endure out of pure spite, thank you very much.
Posted by: garrett at February 02, 2017 06:05 PM (sW3DN)
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"Also, lazy and inaccurate assumption that the non-religious must per force end up embracing some sort of secular religion. Environmentalist whackos lack religion, but also mostly lack analytical critical thinking ability, and native intelligence.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (QDnY+) "
It's not an absolute dichotomy. Plenty of irreligious people find completely innocuous outlets for the 'worship instinct' - hell, I'm one of them. But combine people's innate desire to *believe* in something with our innate desire to form tribes and you get a very dangerous cocktail.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 02, 2017 05:58 PM (QDnY+) "
It's not an absolute dichotomy. Plenty of irreligious people find completely innocuous outlets for the 'worship instinct' - hell, I'm one of them. But combine people's innate desire to *believe* in something with our innate desire to form tribes and you get a very dangerous cocktail.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:05 PM (kumBu)
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President Donald Trump has been president less than two weeks.
Less than 320 hours.
I wish he had his cabinet in place. But he is making huge progress.
He is running roughshod over the Democrats and driving the ENTIRE MSM
crazy.
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Hey! Knock it off with the optimism, pal!
The Secretary of Education seems less than 100% possible.
It's GAME OVER man.
Less than 320 hours.
I wish he had his cabinet in place. But he is making huge progress.
He is running roughshod over the Democrats and driving the ENTIRE MSM
crazy.
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Hey! Knock it off with the optimism, pal!
The Secretary of Education seems less than 100% possible.
It's GAME OVER man.
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 02, 2017 06:05 PM (Gv7El)
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Their religion is Puritanism. Read Nathaniel Hawethorne. Sadly this sick cult is baked into our psychology as a country.
Posted by: jihadi at February 02, 2017 06:06 PM (I64i9)
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"Why Can't the Left Accept a Defeat?"
Because you have to speak the correct words to them:
"It is therefore ORDERED, ADJUDGED and DECREED ..."
- the 162nd District Court of Texas, ruling "decisively against Mohammed Mohammed, father of Ahmed "Clock Boy" Mohammed, dismissing Mohammed's complaint against Daily Wire editor-in-chief Ben Shapiro and awarding Shapiro his attorneys' fees as well."
http://www.dailywire.com/news/13100/implosion-clo ck-boy-lawsuit-against-shapiro-ben-shapiro
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Yeah, Clock-Boy lost. Completely. Forever.
"Why Can't the Left Accept a Defeat?"
Because you have to speak the correct words to them:
"It is therefore ORDERED, ADJUDGED and DECREED ..."
- the 162nd District Court of Texas, ruling "decisively against Mohammed Mohammed, father of Ahmed "Clock Boy" Mohammed, dismissing Mohammed's complaint against Daily Wire editor-in-chief Ben Shapiro and awarding Shapiro his attorneys' fees as well."
http://www.dailywire.com/news/13100/implosion-clo ck-boy-lawsuit-against-shapiro-ben-shapiro
[remove space in "clo ck"]
Yeah, Clock-Boy lost. Completely. Forever.
Posted by: Arbalest at February 02, 2017 06:06 PM (FlRtG)
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Environmentalist whackos lack religion, but also mostly lack analytical critical thinking ability, and native intelligence.
Environmentalism is a religious movement.
It has myths (in the academic sense of the word), proscribed rituals, prohibited actions, dietary restrictions, holy days, etc., etc., etc.
Environmentalism is a religious movement.
It has myths (in the academic sense of the word), proscribed rituals, prohibited actions, dietary restrictions, holy days, etc., etc., etc.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at February 02, 2017 06:06 PM (mBnZE)
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"The most powerful Protestant nation - England - was neutral."
Well to be fair, England at the time had it's own internal class and religious war going on, and the eventual winner of that war, Oliver Cromwell, had a sharp military mind and realized he was a lot better off letting the continentals fight their own wars, he'd already fought and won his.
Well to be fair, England at the time had it's own internal class and religious war going on, and the eventual winner of that war, Oliver Cromwell, had a sharp military mind and realized he was a lot better off letting the continentals fight their own wars, he'd already fought and won his.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 02, 2017 06:06 PM (YsaNw)
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, but "severely conservative "Republican Senators.
Could be they're just bidding for pardons re: Syria, guns and emails once Sessions actually looks at the evidence.
Could be they're just bidding for pardons re: Syria, guns and emails once Sessions actually looks at the evidence.
Posted by: DaveA at February 02, 2017 06:07 PM (8J/Te)
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DID YOU HEAR HOW TRUMP REFERRED TO MEXICANS AS BAD HOMBRES? THAT'S EXACTLY LIKE HITLER STUFFING THE JEWS INTO OVENS!!!
*SHRIEKS*
*SHRIEKS*
Posted by: Leftist Rioter Breaking ATM Machines at Berkeley at February 02, 2017 06:07 PM (pCUr3)
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Remember when they made fun of all of us for eight years for being so "angry" and "fearful"?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Posted by: Mega at February 02, 2017 06:07 PM (EdXI9)
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"Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM (nnAfn) "
I disagree with Walter Sobchak, though; after decades of this country being infested with Marxists, I think I prefer Nihilists - even if it's not an ethos, dude.
I disagree with Walter Sobchak, though; after decades of this country being infested with Marxists, I think I prefer Nihilists - even if it's not an ethos, dude.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:07 PM (kumBu)
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So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world .
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Some anarchist gets off a lucky shot or blows up the wrong official for starters.
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Some anarchist gets off a lucky shot or blows up the wrong official for starters.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (vIjh1)
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The difference is between the Left, who fancy themselves Intelligent Designers who can wipe away society and create utopia, on the one hand, and those who realize society is complex and evolves - where helpful mores, customs, &c. propagate society while harmful ones are detrimental - and where society can not be created ex nihilo, but only jealously conserved by venerable stewards.
Posted by: The Political Hat at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (OzJeO)
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pep - yes, absolutely ..... I just frequently see what is really a sloppy and somewhat arrogant, and completely fatuous, claim from religious sorts that non-religious people are bound to end up with cultish devotion to some bad secular cause. Just ain't so. Even if the probably intended focus of ace's point - the authoritarians we're hearing from 24/7 these days - may be good actual examples.
And what JackStraw said - something I've been noticing and thinking about - this is really amazing, cabinet picks of a new president, most of them outstanding starts of various kinds, getting near-party line confirmation votes. Quite striking. Contrast with the overwhelming votes for the often dubious, or worse, Obama cabinet members - none of whom was accomplished, most of whom were awash in failure and scandal in their non-distinguished careers.
And what JackStraw said - something I've been noticing and thinking about - this is really amazing, cabinet picks of a new president, most of them outstanding starts of various kinds, getting near-party line confirmation votes. Quite striking. Contrast with the overwhelming votes for the often dubious, or worse, Obama cabinet members - none of whom was accomplished, most of whom were awash in failure and scandal in their non-distinguished careers.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (QDnY+)
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The most powerful Protestant nation - England - was neutral.
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Many Englishmen fought as mercenaries. Shortly afterwards, the English Civil War erupted between the Protestant Protestants and the Catholic-lite Protestants.
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Many Englishmen fought as mercenaries. Shortly afterwards, the English Civil War erupted between the Protestant Protestants and the Catholic-lite Protestants.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (Nwg0u)
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Well certainly, secular humanistic naturalism a the left holds it is a religion, it is their religion. The left has a system of ethics and absolutes which it wishes to impose on the nation, just as other religions before it.
The truth is, religious tolerance and a multi-religion culture is a lie, or at best a very transitory state. There can only be one, because of the very nature of religious thought. Faith will not accept heretic or unbeliever being in charge, because they necessarily must be wrong.
Some faiths -- Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, for example, can be flexible enough to accept wide variation and even apostasy, as long as it follows the basic foundational framework of their faith. That is, you don't have to be a Christian, as long as your worldview is informed by classical Judeo-Christian heritage.
What is trying to replace that foundation, the one which the nation and indeed western civilization its self, is based upon was created in the late 19th century with a few thinkers - Dewey, Marx, Darwin, and Freud primarily. They replaced all thought of God with humanity, replaced all idea of absolutes with relativism, and replaced all concept of truth with narrative.
As thinkers came along, they refined this thinking with guys like Derrida and Foucault, but its all the same basic thing: there is no right or wrong, only what you have the power to impose. There is no truth or lie, only that which you hold to.
Whether fascist or communist or radical humanist like Dawkins, its all the same beast, and it all leads to the same horrendous mountain of bones we saw in the 20th century's worst moments.
The truth is, religious tolerance and a multi-religion culture is a lie, or at best a very transitory state. There can only be one, because of the very nature of religious thought. Faith will not accept heretic or unbeliever being in charge, because they necessarily must be wrong.
Some faiths -- Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, for example, can be flexible enough to accept wide variation and even apostasy, as long as it follows the basic foundational framework of their faith. That is, you don't have to be a Christian, as long as your worldview is informed by classical Judeo-Christian heritage.
What is trying to replace that foundation, the one which the nation and indeed western civilization its self, is based upon was created in the late 19th century with a few thinkers - Dewey, Marx, Darwin, and Freud primarily. They replaced all thought of God with humanity, replaced all idea of absolutes with relativism, and replaced all concept of truth with narrative.
As thinkers came along, they refined this thinking with guys like Derrida and Foucault, but its all the same basic thing: there is no right or wrong, only what you have the power to impose. There is no truth or lie, only that which you hold to.
Whether fascist or communist or radical humanist like Dawkins, its all the same beast, and it all leads to the same horrendous mountain of bones we saw in the 20th century's worst moments.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (39g3+)
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What's a Nihilist, Walter?
Posted by: Donny at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (sW3DN)
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Spoiler Alert: The Left's religion is Satanism.
Posted by: Mega at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (EdXI9)
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>>>75 Bezos is participating in the WA class action against Trump.
I guess I can begin consciously uncoupling from the amazon ecoystem.
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Where the fuck am I supposed to get my fish oil supplements now?
I guess I can begin consciously uncoupling from the amazon ecoystem.
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Where the fuck am I supposed to get my fish oil supplements now?
Posted by: John Nada at February 02, 2017 06:09 PM (pCUr3)
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This is a lot of words to explain the simple motivations for the Left. Simply put: They don't have to accept anything.
The Left doesn't have to accept defeat because The Left Are The Rule-Makers.
This is a lot of words to explain the simple motivations for the Left. Simply put: They don't have to accept anything.
The Left doesn't have to accept defeat because The Left Are The Rule-Makers.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE (Special Limited Edition) at February 02, 2017 06:09 PM (7T8jT)
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If only the libertarian party was into liberty. Instead it is filled with dickbags and headed by someone who thinks the state should throw you in jail if you refuse to bake a gay wedding cake.
Posted by: wooga at February 02, 2017 06:09 PM (3I7wr)
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When you believe that the ends justify the means at establishing your Utopia on society, history does not matter.... Only the future.
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That is the dangerous part. Conservatives believe that Utopia, on secular terms as least, is impossible and that people are and always will be fallible, and therefore giving anyone too much power will eventually lead to bad results. This tempers conservative thinking and action.
The left believes that if they can force everyone to get with the program that they will usher in paradise for everyone with no wants unmet...at least no allowed wants unmet...But, it isn't even enough for mere compliance. Everyone must believe the right things too...because "bad" thoughts will also prevent paradise.
So in the end committed leftists are not only permitted, but required to do anything to force everyone else into the most authoritarian state you could imagine. Event the Soviets and the National Socialists failed to control thoughts.
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That is the dangerous part. Conservatives believe that Utopia, on secular terms as least, is impossible and that people are and always will be fallible, and therefore giving anyone too much power will eventually lead to bad results. This tempers conservative thinking and action.
The left believes that if they can force everyone to get with the program that they will usher in paradise for everyone with no wants unmet...at least no allowed wants unmet...But, it isn't even enough for mere compliance. Everyone must believe the right things too...because "bad" thoughts will also prevent paradise.
So in the end committed leftists are not only permitted, but required to do anything to force everyone else into the most authoritarian state you could imagine. Event the Soviets and the National Socialists failed to control thoughts.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 02, 2017 06:10 PM (aZq03)
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So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM (SIY7D)
Judging by several thousand years of history, a gigantic shitfest of misery followed by more misery and generations of grinding bad blood and even more misery and hatred. Also, worse hygiene.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM (SIY7D)
Judging by several thousand years of history, a gigantic shitfest of misery followed by more misery and generations of grinding bad blood and even more misery and hatred. Also, worse hygiene.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 02, 2017 06:10 PM (wB8Tg)
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Let's talk about "the Australian deal" that Trump got all pissy about.
The deal, which requires that the U.S. resettle refugees from among more than 1,500 asylum seekers being held on small Pacific islands.
Unspoken here is that Australia has one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world.
These 1,500 are those who Australia won't allow in.
They are currently relegated to islands off of Australia, the Australian legal equivalent of Gitmo.
Are we really suppose to soak up all the miscellaneous refugees that other governments don't want ?
Obama should never have made the deal.
Perhaps we can find a house down the street from the Obamas in DC for these 1,500 to live.
I bet that Ashton Kutcher has a big house (and he was worried about all those stuck in airports), maybe he can take in a few. Same of all the overpaid celebrities at the Golden Globes and SAG Awards.
The deal, which requires that the U.S. resettle refugees from among more than 1,500 asylum seekers being held on small Pacific islands.
Unspoken here is that Australia has one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world.
These 1,500 are those who Australia won't allow in.
They are currently relegated to islands off of Australia, the Australian legal equivalent of Gitmo.
Are we really suppose to soak up all the miscellaneous refugees that other governments don't want ?
Obama should never have made the deal.
Perhaps we can find a house down the street from the Obamas in DC for these 1,500 to live.
I bet that Ashton Kutcher has a big house (and he was worried about all those stuck in airports), maybe he can take in a few. Same of all the overpaid celebrities at the Golden Globes and SAG Awards.
Posted by: undocumented illegal world police at February 02, 2017 06:10 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:10 PM (fDdVG)
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122. Sure. The unthinkable happens and we get President Pense.
Alternatively, one of the riots stupidly backs a group of police up into a place from which there is no escape and they go to live-fire in self-defense. A thing like that sets a city on fire, amd cooler heads don't always prevail.
Alternatively, one of the riots stupidly backs a group of police up into a place from which there is no escape and they go to live-fire in self-defense. A thing like that sets a city on fire, amd cooler heads don't always prevail.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 02, 2017 06:11 PM (GdhCW)
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The Secretary of Education seems less than 100% possible. It's GAME OVER man.
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If DeVos goes down I'll just nominate Andrew Dice Clay in her place, believe me.
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If DeVos goes down I'll just nominate Andrew Dice Clay in her place, believe me.
Posted by: @RealDonaldTrump at February 02, 2017 06:11 PM (pCUr3)
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The difference is between the Left, who fancy themselves Intelligent Designers who can wipe away society and create utopia, on the one hand, and those who realize society is complex and evolves
- where helpful mores, customs, c. propagate society while harmful
ones are detrimental - and where society can not be created ex nihilo, but only jealously conserved by venerable stewards.
Approved.
- where helpful mores, customs, c. propagate society while harmful
ones are detrimental - and where society can not be created ex nihilo, but only jealously conserved by venerable stewards.
Approved.
Posted by: Sir Edmund Burke at February 02, 2017 06:11 PM (LAe3v)
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Political Correctness is their Morality-- but it's a faux morality, built for political ends. It's arcanely complex, and intended for imposition on others even more than subscription to by the faithful.
People are openly rebelling against it, now, and they see power slipping away.
People are openly rebelling against it, now, and they see power slipping away.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 02, 2017 06:11 PM (oVJmc)
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If these be interesting times, I want no part of them.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM
Unfortunately, that doesn't mean interesting times don't want a part of you.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 02, 2017 06:02 PM
Unfortunately, that doesn't mean interesting times don't want a part of you.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2017 06:11 PM (DMUuz)
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The biggest flaw with the left's religion, though, is that it is without foundation or structure. A culture can survive with a bad worldview, as long as it is consistent and gives structure. But for the progressive, there is no foundation.
Not only are they driven by relativism where truth is what you make of it and all is merely what you feel or wish to be, they keep changing their minds. What was once proper leftist thought becomes heresy, sometimes without warning and in very short order.
Homosexual radicals like Harvey Milk in the 80's considered marriage a heteronormative oppression, something repulsive to be rejected utterly. Now if you disagree with homosexual marriage, you're a heretic who must be destroyed.
There's no foundation with this kind of thinking, and what's more no end to it: the "progress" is infinite. You keep progressing, forever, or you stop being a good person. Your virtue and adherence to the faith is defined by how pure your progress is, always moving.
Not only are they driven by relativism where truth is what you make of it and all is merely what you feel or wish to be, they keep changing their minds. What was once proper leftist thought becomes heresy, sometimes without warning and in very short order.
Homosexual radicals like Harvey Milk in the 80's considered marriage a heteronormative oppression, something repulsive to be rejected utterly. Now if you disagree with homosexual marriage, you're a heretic who must be destroyed.
There's no foundation with this kind of thinking, and what's more no end to it: the "progress" is infinite. You keep progressing, forever, or you stop being a good person. Your virtue and adherence to the faith is defined by how pure your progress is, always moving.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:11 PM (39g3+)
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When discussing the leftist "religion", I like calling it 'Silentology', because "Shut up! They explained.".
Posted by: Stu Podaso at February 02, 2017 06:11 PM (bZXxP)
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"Something like 65 million voted for Hillary, but out of that I'd say only five to ten million are hard core crazy"
Agree completely. There are still plenty of normal people on the other side.
Agree completely. There are still plenty of normal people on the other side.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (OVUYQ)
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Spoiler Alert: The Left's religion is Satanism.
Good gravy, that's a reductio ad absurdum.
Also, you don't need to be a god-botherer to have a moral compass and a purpose to existence.
Good gravy, that's a reductio ad absurdum.
Also, you don't need to be a god-botherer to have a moral compass and a purpose to existence.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (mgbwf)
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Some anarchist gets off a lucky shot or blows up the wrong official for starters.
Like that could ever happen. Open a history book and stop spouting such farfetched fantasies!
/s
Like that could ever happen. Open a history book and stop spouting such farfetched fantasies!
/s
Posted by: wooga at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (3I7wr)
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Shillary came out of her house today and saw her shadow, four more years of not being President.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (xInes)
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Obama is a traitor. He'd love the idea of 1500 or more crazy Jihadis that Australian doesn't want to accept to come to the U.S.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (fDdVG)
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>>There's no foundation with this kind of thinking, and what's more no end to it: the "progress" is infinite
It's Calvinball without the fun.
It's Calvinball without the fun.
Posted by: garrett at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (sW3DN)
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Because they're insane. Take a gander at the Chicago Tribune. "Trump Immigration Order Revives Horrible Memories for Holocaust Survivors." Read it again. And remember that the Trib is considered the Republican newspaper in Chicago. Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 02, 2017 05:49 PM (n3MnG)
A friend who is of Iranian descent posted this quote from her aunt on her FB: "Isn't it ironic that your father escaped one coup by religious extremists only to have his son and daughter resist another coup of extremists in the country to which he fled for freedom?"
Yes, we are exactly the same as Iran. Sighhhhhhh. Why do people I love so much post such cray cray.
A friend who is of Iranian descent posted this quote from her aunt on her FB: "Isn't it ironic that your father escaped one coup by religious extremists only to have his son and daughter resist another coup of extremists in the country to which he fled for freedom?"
Yes, we are exactly the same as Iran. Sighhhhhhh. Why do people I love so much post such cray cray.
Posted by: LizLem at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (hvf9s)
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Let's talk about "the Australian deal" that Trump got all pissy about.
I am quite sure that if you go back through the last two months' of posts you'll find me making most if not all of those points on occasion, and certainly for the past two days since Trump bitch-slapped that shit Turnbull.
This was a highly necessary bitch-slapping, though it's unfortunate that the Prime Minister from Goldman Sachs is unlikely to fall as a result.
I am quite sure that if you go back through the last two months' of posts you'll find me making most if not all of those points on occasion, and certainly for the past two days since Trump bitch-slapped that shit Turnbull.
This was a highly necessary bitch-slapping, though it's unfortunate that the Prime Minister from Goldman Sachs is unlikely to fall as a result.
Posted by: JEM at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (TppKb)
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Minimum viable politics can only exist in a fairly homogeneous society. The belief that a secular government can somehow manage a multicultural society in some neutral manner is a fairy tale. Even a limited, secular government needs a worldview and it will implement that view. For example, would it be overbearing for a secular government that ruled over a mixed Hindu, Christian, and Buddhist population to outlaw sati (burning the widow)? You're choosing sides then.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (J70i0)
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Amazon? Do what I do. Find what I want there and then search with the manufacturer model number for other places to buy. Usually can find it for about the same price and no charge for sales tax if out of state.
Screw the statist bastards! End the Taxarchy!
Screw the statist bastards! End the Taxarchy!
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (FtrY1)
Posted by: Gutteral HItler at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (Gv7El)
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Uh, which restroom should we use?
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At the Berkley riot last night, there wassomeone something carrying a sign proclaiming 'Trans-Dyke'. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell that is. Anyone have a clue?
Posted by: Men With Penis Hats
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At the Berkley riot last night, there was
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (ZO497)
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The left believes that if they can force everyone to get with the program that they will usher in paradise for everyone with no wants unmet...at least no allowed wants unmet...But, it isn't even enough for mere compliance. Everyone must believe the right things too...because "bad" thoughts will also prevent paradise.
Well, not everyone. They're fine with death at the fringes; ie islamic jihadist blowing up a few, some riot deaths, some old people, the death of too many kids......
Utopia is actually a joke. It's greek for "no place." It doesn't exist, or rather it only exists in the minds of marxists and their cohorts.
Well, not everyone. They're fine with death at the fringes; ie islamic jihadist blowing up a few, some riot deaths, some old people, the death of too many kids......
Utopia is actually a joke. It's greek for "no place." It doesn't exist, or rather it only exists in the minds of marxists and their cohorts.
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (nnAfn)
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If only the libertarian party was into liberty. Instead it is filled with dickbags and headed by someone who thinks the state should throw you in jail if you refuse to bake a gay wedding cake.
Posted by: wooga at February 02, 2017 06:09 PM (3I7wr)
Basically victim to similar shenanigans as the Tea Party. "Organizers" came in and shitted it all up (plus the influx of anti-war liberals in 2000/01). Longer timescale.
Posted by: wooga at February 02, 2017 06:09 PM (3I7wr)
Basically victim to similar shenanigans as the Tea Party. "Organizers" came in and shitted it all up (plus the influx of anti-war liberals in 2000/01). Longer timescale.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (wB8Tg)
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If these be interesting times, I want no part of them.
Posted by: Moron Pundit
Unfortunately, that doesn't mean interesting times don't want a part of you.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Curse those damn, meddling Chinese !!!!
Posted by: Moron Pundit
Unfortunately, that doesn't mean interesting times don't want a part of you.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Curse those damn, meddling Chinese !!!!
Posted by: Adriane the Neo-Confucian Critic ... at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (AoK0a)
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>>These 1,500 are those who Australia won't allow in.
You forgot the best part. Many if not most of them come from 1 of the 7 countries Trump just put on a short term travel ban.
Obama was bound and determined to take in people from these countries no matter what.
You forgot the best part. Many if not most of them come from 1 of the 7 countries Trump just put on a short term travel ban.
Obama was bound and determined to take in people from these countries no matter what.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (/tuJf)
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"Posted by: rhomboid at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (QDnY+) "
I just find it darkly humorous that often those who are most smug about rejecting the 'primitivism' of organized religion end up being the unconscious adherents to secular religion.
Of course it's not an absolute - the Horde has many people with little or no religious faith, including our esteemed host.
I just find it darkly humorous that often those who are most smug about rejecting the 'primitivism' of organized religion end up being the unconscious adherents to secular religion.
Of course it's not an absolute - the Horde has many people with little or no religious faith, including our esteemed host.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (kumBu)
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They replaced all thought of God with humanity, replaced all idea of
absolutes with relativism, and replaced all concept of truth with
narrative....There is no
truth or lie, only that which you hold to.
...
Whether fascist or communist or radical humanist like Dawkins, its
all the same beast, and it all leads to the same horrendous mountain of
bones we saw in the 20th century's worst moments.
Why, it's almost as if it's all a matter of will, and the strongest will wins. A Triumph of the Will, if you will.
absolutes with relativism, and replaced all concept of truth with
narrative....There is no
truth or lie, only that which you hold to.
...
Whether fascist or communist or radical humanist like Dawkins, its
all the same beast, and it all leads to the same horrendous mountain of
bones we saw in the 20th century's worst moments.
Why, it's almost as if it's all a matter of will, and the strongest will wins. A Triumph of the Will, if you will.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (LAe3v)
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The deal, which requires that the U.S. resettle
refugees from among more than 1,500 asylum seekers being held on small
Pacific islands.
Unspoken here is that Australia has one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world.
These 1,500 are those who Australia won't allow in.
They are currently relegated to islands off of Australia, the Australian legal equivalent of Gitmo.
Are we really suppose to soak up all the miscellaneous refugees that other governments don't want ?
Obama should never have made the deal.
Perhaps we can find a house down the street from the Obamas in DC for these 1,500 to live.
I
bet that Ashton Kutcher has a big house (and he was worried about all
those stuck in airports), maybe he can take in a few. Same of all the
overpaid celebrities at the Golden Globes and SAG Awards.
Posted by: undocumented illegal world police at February 02, 2017 06:10 PM (e8kgV)
I am assuming this deal can be undone?
refugees from among more than 1,500 asylum seekers being held on small
Pacific islands.
Unspoken here is that Australia has one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world.
These 1,500 are those who Australia won't allow in.
They are currently relegated to islands off of Australia, the Australian legal equivalent of Gitmo.
Are we really suppose to soak up all the miscellaneous refugees that other governments don't want ?
Obama should never have made the deal.
Perhaps we can find a house down the street from the Obamas in DC for these 1,500 to live.
I
bet that Ashton Kutcher has a big house (and he was worried about all
those stuck in airports), maybe he can take in a few. Same of all the
overpaid celebrities at the Golden Globes and SAG Awards.
Posted by: undocumented illegal world police at February 02, 2017 06:10 PM (e8kgV)
I am assuming this deal can be undone?
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (rAIG/)
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The left has no future to look forward to, no objective reality to appeal to, and no absolute truth to base anything on. All they have is power to enforce their latest ideas and feelings to justify them. What makes you happy, comfortable, healthy, and "untriggered" is good, no matter what effect it has on others.
Almost all of the strongest adherents to this are aberrant and abnormal people themselves, and feel oppressed by a society which recognizes them as abnormal -- and thus, reminds them they are. They want to feel normal, despite their perversions and insanity, so they keep redefining normal. Now what was once normal and ordinary is "privileged" because such people have never felt any oppression or hardship due to their lives and behavior.
This allows the freak to think they are ordinary and proper and normal so nobody can question or dislike them or make them have the sadz.
Almost all of the strongest adherents to this are aberrant and abnormal people themselves, and feel oppressed by a society which recognizes them as abnormal -- and thus, reminds them they are. They want to feel normal, despite their perversions and insanity, so they keep redefining normal. Now what was once normal and ordinary is "privileged" because such people have never felt any oppression or hardship due to their lives and behavior.
This allows the freak to think they are ordinary and proper and normal so nobody can question or dislike them or make them have the sadz.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (mgbwf)
Could you please not use the tern "god botherer"? It sounds denigrating and of course people can have a moral compass and be ethical and not be religious.
Could you please not use the tern "god botherer"? It sounds denigrating and of course people can have a moral compass and be ethical and not be religious.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (fDdVG)
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>>>Remember when they made fun of all of us for eight years for being so "angry" and "fearful"<<<
Wasn't it bitter and clinging? It all seems so long ago.
Wasn't it bitter and clinging? It all seems so long ago.
Posted by: Fritz at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (2BjYu)
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ace: "I guess I can begin consciously uncoupling from the amazon ecoystem."
Hey, I know! You could start selling AoSHQ shirts!
But seriously, I'll try to increase my tip jar contributions. You've been a very stabilizing info source with some good cob-logging thrown in.
Hey, I know! You could start selling AoSHQ shirts!
But seriously, I'll try to increase my tip jar contributions. You've been a very stabilizing info source with some good cob-logging thrown in.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2017 06:15 PM (1CroS)
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The Left was sooo close to what they saw as their hegemony.
To have it torn away has driven them insane.
Those of us in the other tribe are validated.
What they "feel" is how lots of us "felt" for 8 years.
The responses are quite different.
Their is no reconciling this. Divorce is the only real answer, but most people on our side are in denial
To have it torn away has driven them insane.
Those of us in the other tribe are validated.
What they "feel" is how lots of us "felt" for 8 years.
The responses are quite different.
Their is no reconciling this. Divorce is the only real answer, but most people on our side are in denial
Posted by: tubal at February 02, 2017 06:15 PM (zSVEm)
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"So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world"
There's always a Black Swan hiding in the shadows at times like this, he never misses a chance to pop up when the time is right. "So much of left wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot." - George Orwell
There's always a Black Swan hiding in the shadows at times like this, he never misses a chance to pop up when the time is right. "So much of left wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot." - George Orwell
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 02, 2017 06:15 PM (YsaNw)
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Shillary came out of her house today and saw her shadow, four more years of not being President.
Strike up the music
The band has begun....
Strike up the music
The band has begun....
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2017 06:15 PM (qUNWi)
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"Liberalism was discovered -- not invented, but discovered -- in reaction to the very bloody religious wars that swept through Europe in the 1600s and 1700s. The previous rule that Politics Was Everything and whoever had the throne could inflict his will on everyone, down to mandating what god a citizen should bow to, resulted in endless war, death, misery, and mutual hatred and suspicion."
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Enlightenment Dudes: "We're going to do away with all this religiously motivated violence. You'll no longer be ruled by the clergy. You're all going to be free, and we'll only make laws based on Empiricism, Science, and Reason."
And what has been the end result of all this Empiricism, Science, and Reason?
Genocide and global war, with perhaps up to a billion dead when you add everything up. Mid-nine-figures, at least.
Fuck the Enlightenment. Fuck Modernity.
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Enlightenment Dudes: "We're going to do away with all this religiously motivated violence. You'll no longer be ruled by the clergy. You're all going to be free, and we'll only make laws based on Empiricism, Science, and Reason."
And what has been the end result of all this Empiricism, Science, and Reason?
Genocide and global war, with perhaps up to a billion dead when you add everything up. Mid-nine-figures, at least.
Fuck the Enlightenment. Fuck Modernity.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (xN1DB)
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At the Berkley riot last night, there was someone something carrying a sign proclaiming 'Trans-Dyke'. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell that is. Anyone have a clue?
--
Mentally ill.
Straight jacket + padded room next to the dude who thinks he's Napoleon.
At the Berkley riot last night, there was someone something carrying a sign proclaiming 'Trans-Dyke'. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell that is. Anyone have a clue?
--
Mentally ill.
Straight jacket + padded room next to the dude who thinks he's Napoleon.
Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (J5mC3)
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Yep. When there is no hereafter you have to make this world a Paradise, by force if necessary.
Talking to these true believers is like trying to plead your case to your Dominican interrogator. Just admit your heresy and we will be lenient!
Excellent post Ace.
Talking to these true believers is like trying to plead your case to your Dominican interrogator. Just admit your heresy and we will be lenient!
Excellent post Ace.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (EnKk6)
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>> "So much of left wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot." - George Orwell
That guy used to post here a lot.
That guy used to post here a lot.
Posted by: garrett at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (sW3DN)
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I wouldn't say Satanism, more just Godly less.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (Frvrc)
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tornadoes do not discriminate between the virtuous and the vicious.
They just kill everything in their path.
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Like the Bible says, tornadoes fall on the just and the unjust alike.
They just kill everything in their path.
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Like the Bible says, tornadoes fall on the just and the unjust alike.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (Nwg0u)
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I am assuming this deal can be undone?
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (rAIG/)
Correction. There are about 2500 refugees on this Island.Obamalama made a deal to accept half of them if they got through our 'security vetting'.So, we are talking about 1250 people.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:14 PM (rAIG/)
Correction. There are about 2500 refugees on this Island.Obamalama made a deal to accept half of them if they got through our 'security vetting'.So, we are talking about 1250 people.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (8iiMU)
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She should open a history book herself. She should point to me a single case where rampant political violence from one faction was not quickly met by equal or even greater political violence from the factions that were being preyed upon.
Jews, Germany, 1930s.
Jews, Germany, 1930s.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 02, 2017 06:17 PM (USVq/)
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Willowed last thread:
353 320 bluebell
Thank you for asking. She started rad/chemo today.
Update in the ONT (easier for me to update).
Would be happy to share Caring Bridge link (email in nic).
353 320 bluebell
Thank you for asking. She started rad/chemo today.
Update in the ONT (easier for me to update).
Would be happy to share Caring Bridge link (email in nic).
Posted by: ibguy at February 02, 2017 06:17 PM (vUcdz)
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You forgot the best part. Many if not most of them come from 1 of the 7 countries Trump just put on a short term travel ban.
I'm not sure if that's 100% true, but it's kinda magical that they get to the Pacific shores of Australia by paying off smugglers that get them into boats.
Back in the day they used to sink the boats when the Australian coastal forces closed in, so they'd have to be rescued and taken ashore in Australia. Common practice in the Med with the EU. Now, they know the Aussies are just going to take them to Bumfuck Egypt no matter what they do, so they don't bother getting wet.
I'm not sure if that's 100% true, but it's kinda magical that they get to the Pacific shores of Australia by paying off smugglers that get them into boats.
Back in the day they used to sink the boats when the Australian coastal forces closed in, so they'd have to be rescued and taken ashore in Australia. Common practice in the Med with the EU. Now, they know the Aussies are just going to take them to Bumfuck Egypt no matter what they do, so they don't bother getting wet.
Posted by: JEM at February 02, 2017 06:17 PM (TppKb)
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I've shared Ignoramus' view of the likelihood of serious physical shenanigans for some time. It's not going to become widespread, even though incidents will continue.
But there is something else, related, that is troublesome: the heckler's veto, which is morphing into the hooligan's veto, over free speech (Milo's tour).
The rot is deep. Look at the pathetic statement of the Berkeley chancellor. It's not the flashy kinetic stuff that's the problem, it's the absence of an American mindset or sensibility in such a huge % of people in positions of responsibility.
But there is something else, related, that is troublesome: the heckler's veto, which is morphing into the hooligan's veto, over free speech (Milo's tour).
The rot is deep. Look at the pathetic statement of the Berkeley chancellor. It's not the flashy kinetic stuff that's the problem, it's the absence of an American mindset or sensibility in such a huge % of people in positions of responsibility.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 02, 2017 06:17 PM (QDnY+)
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You know what turns people off to religion and spirituality worse than having to watch every word to avoid offending someone?
Pretty much nothing.
Pretty much nothing.
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 02, 2017 06:17 PM (Gv7El)
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Just as a personal anecdote, I had a friend and his wife try to get a visa to live in Australia, both American citizens, clean records, wife is billingual in Mandarin, has a family connection with someone born in Australia etc.
They both got rejected.
But we're supposed to take their outcast refugees?
This is a winning issue for Trump to say no.
They both got rejected.
But we're supposed to take their outcast refugees?
This is a winning issue for Trump to say no.
Posted by: Maritime at February 02, 2017 06:17 PM (qRZ4c)
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Have the leftards considered what will happen to the House and Senate composition, and to Presidential elections with those 55 electoral votes (and 53 reps and 2 sens) should Calexit go forth?
Wait! Where do I send my check?
Wait! Where do I send my check?
Posted by: Afroman at February 02, 2017 06:17 PM (9nQRw)
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Posted by: undocumented illegal world police at February 02, 2017 06:10 PM (e8kgV)
If I were super rich I would buy the properties on either side of all these outspoken libs and give the houses to refugees from the third world.
I would also love to pay for the tuition at their kids school for the children of the refugees.
If I were super rich I would buy the properties on either side of all these outspoken libs and give the houses to refugees from the third world.
I would also love to pay for the tuition at their kids school for the children of the refugees.
Posted by: CaliGirl at February 02, 2017 06:18 PM (8cEQL)
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Why, it's almost as if it's all a matter of will, and the strongest will wins. A Triumph of the Will, if you will.
Yes.
That's exactly what it is. If there is no higher power to appeal to, no absolute, objective truth and goodness we can look to for our behavior, all that's left is the power to impose one's personal whim on others. Those are your choices.
Yes.
That's exactly what it is. If there is no higher power to appeal to, no absolute, objective truth and goodness we can look to for our behavior, all that's left is the power to impose one's personal whim on others. Those are your choices.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:18 PM (39g3+)
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>>>Spoiler Alert: The Left's religion is Satanism.
The left is not Satanic. It's just a bunch of pervs with chips on their shoulder about Christianity, because some Christian made them feel guilty for diddling their own butthole.
The left is not Satanic. It's just a bunch of pervs with chips on their shoulder about Christianity, because some Christian made them feel guilty for diddling their own butthole.
Posted by: wooga at February 02, 2017 06:18 PM (wIz3V)
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Utopia is actually a joke. It's greek for "no place." It doesn't exist, or rather it only exists in the minds of marxists and their cohorts.
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (nnAfn)
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Psssst. Marxist assholes. Ill tell you a secret. Utopia is not a place. Its not a political system.
Utopia is the result of choosing to live your life to the fullest. Utopia isnt found by changing others. Its found by changing yourself.
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 06:13 PM (nnAfn)
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Psssst. Marxist assholes. Ill tell you a secret. Utopia is not a place. Its not a political system.
Utopia is the result of choosing to live your life to the fullest. Utopia isnt found by changing others. Its found by changing yourself.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 06:19 PM (vIjh1)
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Could you please not use the tern "god botherer"? It sounds denigrating and of course people can have a moral compass and be ethical and not be religious.
I apologize, dear. The thing I was reacting to represents the kind of race to the bottom that these threads can spiral into. Also, alex says I'm bad for insulting you.
I apologize, dear. The thing I was reacting to represents the kind of race to the bottom that these threads can spiral into. Also, alex says I'm bad for insulting you.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 06:19 PM (mgbwf)
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"Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (xN1DB) "
Enlightenment Dude: No longer shall you shed the blood of your neighbors in senseless wars over whose God is supreme!
Benighted Peasant: So what should we shed the blood of our neighbors over?
Enlightenment Dude: I dunno, you'll figure out something.
Enlightenment Dude: No longer shall you shed the blood of your neighbors in senseless wars over whose God is supreme!
Benighted Peasant: So what should we shed the blood of our neighbors over?
Enlightenment Dude: I dunno, you'll figure out something.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:19 PM (kumBu)
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Genocide and global war, with perhaps up to a billion dead when you add everything up. Mid-nine-figures, at least.
F*** the Enlightenment. F*** Modernity.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
Tanned, rested and ready, baby!
F*** the Enlightenment. F*** Modernity.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
Tanned, rested and ready, baby!
Posted by: Ba'al at February 02, 2017 06:19 PM (LAe3v)
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172 Spoiler Alert: The Left's religion is Satanism.
Good gravy, that's a reductio ad absurdum.
Also, you don't need to be a god-botherer to have a moral compass and a purpose to existence.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (mgbwf)
Actually you do, but I never argue that with those with no theology. Satan makes people not believe in him as a first step. It's impossible to have a moral compass without a moral authority, or you just have relativism. There is no objective Good.
Now, you can argue ethics, ie laws and rules you hold as concrete, but not morals. As far as existence is concerned, if you don't have a soul, ergo you're just a mess of fluid and meat with evolutionary adaptions and electrical impulses, there is no "existence" merely battery life.
Good gravy, that's a reductio ad absurdum.
Also, you don't need to be a god-botherer to have a moral compass and a purpose to existence.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (mgbwf)
Actually you do, but I never argue that with those with no theology. Satan makes people not believe in him as a first step. It's impossible to have a moral compass without a moral authority, or you just have relativism. There is no objective Good.
Now, you can argue ethics, ie laws and rules you hold as concrete, but not morals. As far as existence is concerned, if you don't have a soul, ergo you're just a mess of fluid and meat with evolutionary adaptions and electrical impulses, there is no "existence" merely battery life.
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (nnAfn)
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Jews, Germany, 1930s.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 02, 2017 06:17 PM (USVq/)
They did get it together when they established first, Israel, and second Mossad. Plus Elie Wiesel. So it was a long time coming, but apparently they hit back pretty hard when they finally got around to punching.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 02, 2017 06:17 PM (USVq/)
They did get it together when they established first, Israel, and second Mossad. Plus Elie Wiesel. So it was a long time coming, but apparently they hit back pretty hard when they finally got around to punching.
Posted by: moki at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (gfRCk)
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Excellent post. Related - progressives have been pushing this "we know best what everyone should do" for decades and it is finally beginning to reverse. Interesting write-up by David Goldman on PJ Media:
https://tinyurl.com/zjggzo8
President Trump has offended the core belief of modern liberalism, the notion that we have both the capacity and responsibility to fix all the world's problems. Instead of sin and punishment we have therapy, social work, and foreign aid.
https://tinyurl.com/zjggzo8
President Trump has offended the core belief of modern liberalism, the notion that we have both the capacity and responsibility to fix all the world's problems. Instead of sin and punishment we have therapy, social work, and foreign aid.
Posted by: marky at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (yEAdf)
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"I bet that Ashton Kutcher has a big house (and he was worried about all those stuck in airports), maybe he can take in a few. Same of all the overpaid celebrities at the Golden Globes and SAG Awards."
I'm okay with privately sponsored refugee status.
Where the sponsors both demonstrate and assume complete financial responsibility in perpetuity for the refugees. Liens and attachments to immediately follow any breach.
And where the sponsors are themselves permanently and directly liable, both civilly and criminally, for any malicious actions by those thus sponsored.
Let's see how many of the chattering classes are ready to step up on that.
I'm okay with privately sponsored refugee status.
Where the sponsors both demonstrate and assume complete financial responsibility in perpetuity for the refugees. Liens and attachments to immediately follow any breach.
And where the sponsors are themselves permanently and directly liable, both civilly and criminally, for any malicious actions by those thus sponsored.
Let's see how many of the chattering classes are ready to step up on that.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (noWW6)
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Big demonstration protesting President Trump's ban on the only 7 counties immigration in Philadelphia going on now. Heard this on talk radio this morning largely with Comcast employees who were given time off for the protest. It has been going on for awhile but ghis was first I saw it on tv.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (Frvrc)
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164 122. Sure. The unthinkable happens and we get President Pense.
Alternatively, one of the riots stupidly backs a group of police up into a place from which there is no escape and they go to live-fire in self-defense. A thing like that sets a city on fire, amd cooler heads don't always prevail.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 02, 2017 06:11 PM (GdhCW)
Or a false flag operation. What would have happened if a sniper started shooting up the Bezerkley Riot. Shooting either the attendees or the protesters?
This is getting damned dangerous.
People do not realize how it can all go boom.
Alternatively, one of the riots stupidly backs a group of police up into a place from which there is no escape and they go to live-fire in self-defense. A thing like that sets a city on fire, amd cooler heads don't always prevail.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 02, 2017 06:11 PM (GdhCW)
Or a false flag operation. What would have happened if a sniper started shooting up the Bezerkley Riot. Shooting either the attendees or the protesters?
This is getting damned dangerous.
People do not realize how it can all go boom.
Posted by: rd at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (iT57s)
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3 It's almost like we're hard-wired to be religious and those who forsake a God will come to worship something else - you know, like the State.
But that's crazy talk!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 05:40 PM (kumBu)
I don't worship either.
I worship tits.
But that's crazy talk!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 05:40 PM (kumBu)
I don't worship either.
I worship tits.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (4ErVI)
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That guy used to post here a lot.
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So did the gods of the copybook headings.
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So did the gods of the copybook headings.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (ZO497)
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I'm not a big fan of any religion, but traditional religions are nicely circumscribed as far as their scope and ambition.
I thought only the Jewish faith required that.
I thought only the Jewish faith required that.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (JO9+V)
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59 One thing from election night. If you watched the coverage (or even better, when ace re posted the election night coverage), you will see that the left and the media were absolutely willing to bet their lives that Trump would lose. They were that damn sure of it. Which is why when the night went on they couldn't deal with it.
So I think this is a large factor of why they are acting like they are. Their world was turned upside down and the only way they can deal with it is violence.
Posted by: HH at February 02, 2017 05:51 PM (DrCtv)
The Left was sure they were *this close* to unchallenged, permanent power. Then the rug was pulled out from under them.
Great post, Ace.
So I think this is a large factor of why they are acting like they are. Their world was turned upside down and the only way they can deal with it is violence.
Posted by: HH at February 02, 2017 05:51 PM (DrCtv)
The Left was sure they were *this close* to unchallenged, permanent power. Then the rug was pulled out from under them.
Great post, Ace.
Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2017 06:21 PM (sdi6R)
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RE: Refugees, a serious proposal:
(1) Prime Minister Dreamboat up there in Canada welcomes refugees, saying that "diversity is our strength."
(2) America is already pretty diverse. Majority-white, but that won't last forever. Plenty of blacks, Latins, orientals, and various Arab-types.
(3) Canada, on the other hand, is extremely white. It has nowhere near the diversity that America has.
(4) If diversity is a strength, America is far stronger in this regard than Canada is.
(5) It would therefore be unjust for America to hog all this wonderful diversity, while Canada is so lacking.
(6) Canada should therefore take all the refugees who want to come to America, until the point that Canada catches up with diversity. It's only fair.
(1) Prime Minister Dreamboat up there in Canada welcomes refugees, saying that "diversity is our strength."
(2) America is already pretty diverse. Majority-white, but that won't last forever. Plenty of blacks, Latins, orientals, and various Arab-types.
(3) Canada, on the other hand, is extremely white. It has nowhere near the diversity that America has.
(4) If diversity is a strength, America is far stronger in this regard than Canada is.
(5) It would therefore be unjust for America to hog all this wonderful diversity, while Canada is so lacking.
(6) Canada should therefore take all the refugees who want to come to America, until the point that Canada catches up with diversity. It's only fair.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 02, 2017 06:21 PM (xN1DB)
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Utopia is the former Capitol of Peruvia.
Posted by: garrett at February 02, 2017 06:21 PM (sW3DN)
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Just as a personal anecdote, I had a friend and his wife try to get a visa to live in Australia, both American citizens, clean records, wife is billingual in Mandarin, has a family connection with someone born in Australia etc.
At one point I had thoughts.
You need to do this or that or have this or that and it's not easy, and it got harder after we crossed 45. I haven't looked lately but at this point IIRC it'd have to involve investing a good chunk in government bonds.
At one point I had thoughts.
You need to do this or that or have this or that and it's not easy, and it got harder after we crossed 45. I haven't looked lately but at this point IIRC it'd have to involve investing a good chunk in government bonds.
Posted by: JEM at February 02, 2017 06:21 PM (TppKb)
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"I worship tits.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (4ErVI) "
There's a God for that.
Lots of them, actually.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (4ErVI) "
There's a God for that.
Lots of them, actually.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:21 PM (kumBu)
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Tanned, rested and ready, baby!
Posted by: Ba'al at February 02, 2017 06:19 PM (LAe3v)
( *throws an elbow* )
One side, chump.
Posted by: Ba'al at February 02, 2017 06:19 PM (LAe3v)
( *throws an elbow* )
One side, chump.
Posted by: Moloch at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (USVq/)
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I believe it's time for me to feign an interest in sports.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 05:55 PM (mgbwf)
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Ultimate Tazer Ball.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 05:55 PM (mgbwf)
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Ultimate Tazer Ball.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (EnKk6)
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Joy Behar, on "The View" today, tried to get Dr Phil to say that Trump is a narcissist.
Dr Phil ran through all the 5 major symptoms, just like we all did 8 years ago with Obama.
Dr Phil ran through all the 5 major symptoms, just like we all did 8 years ago with Obama.
Posted by: undocumented illegal doctor at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (e8kgV)
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O/T: Explosions in Paris..developing..man, I am so glad we had a lovely time when we were there last month, with no incidents.
Posted by: IC at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (a0IVu)
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Comcast employees who were given time off for the protest.
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Yeah that Time Warner deal should sail right on through.
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Yeah that Time Warner deal should sail right on through.
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (Gv7El)
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The left is freaking out, understandably. They realize this crazy guy might just bring on a resurgence of American industry, might just reverse the labor participation rate to such an extent that prosperity and balanced budgets might just return to our country.
That's scary stuff to the left. Not just eight years of Trump, but another eight years of his running mate. A Supreme Court making 8-1 decisions, with Ruth Bader Ginsberg being awoken only for compulsory 'No' votes.
That's why they want to kill it, like a twenty week fetus, right now. Before it gains any strength. Before it gains any momentum. They have to. There's no other choice. They chose this road and ignored reality for the past eight years.
So they'll fight. With proxies. With so-called 'moderates' like McCain and Graham. With signs, shovels, fire, and masked proxies.
We finally have someone willing to fight back. Who won one of the greatest upset victories ever. Don't go wobbly. Engage in the battle. Don't accept any left wing dogma from anyone. Punch back with logic and math. They have no answer for such arguments.
/kicks soapbox away
That's scary stuff to the left. Not just eight years of Trump, but another eight years of his running mate. A Supreme Court making 8-1 decisions, with Ruth Bader Ginsberg being awoken only for compulsory 'No' votes.
That's why they want to kill it, like a twenty week fetus, right now. Before it gains any strength. Before it gains any momentum. They have to. There's no other choice. They chose this road and ignored reality for the past eight years.
So they'll fight. With proxies. With so-called 'moderates' like McCain and Graham. With signs, shovels, fire, and masked proxies.
We finally have someone willing to fight back. Who won one of the greatest upset victories ever. Don't go wobbly. Engage in the battle. Don't accept any left wing dogma from anyone. Punch back with logic and math. They have no answer for such arguments.
/kicks soapbox away
Posted by: E Pluribus Juan at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (ZFUt7)
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The advantage of the old organized religions is not only that they are tried and tested as moral systems, but that they are stable and strong. They provide a trellis, if you like, a skeleton around which the culture can build without shifting or collapsing unpredictably.
The left has nothing of the sort to offer. They spent 100 years tearing down the old without having anything to build up in its place.
The left has nothing of the sort to offer. They spent 100 years tearing down the old without having anything to build up in its place.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (39g3+)
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I worship tits.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (4ErVI)
Amen, brother! Hallelujah!
Please add me to your church's newsbulletin.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (4ErVI)
Amen, brother! Hallelujah!
Please add me to your church's newsbulletin.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (JO9+V)
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>>I'm not sure if that's 100% true, but it's kinda magical that they get to the Pacific shores of Australia by paying off smugglers that get them into boats.
Yep, true.
I was in Papua NG a couple years ago working with an Australian customer who had bidness in that shithole. Australia has a big problem with illegals but as liberal as they have been lately with their immigrant problems even these people were too much for them.
Yep, true.
I was in Papua NG a couple years ago working with an Australian customer who had bidness in that shithole. Australia has a big problem with illegals but as liberal as they have been lately with their immigrant problems even these people were too much for them.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2017 06:23 PM (/tuJf)
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"So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world"
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Omar Mateen, the Pulse Nightclub killer, considered attacking Disney World instead. Somebody could decide to hit a soft target full of kids like Disney World or a school like they did in Beslan. The long-feared backlash occurs, the left backs Islam and attacks churches etc., and it's giddyup.
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Omar Mateen, the Pulse Nightclub killer, considered attacking Disney World instead. Somebody could decide to hit a soft target full of kids like Disney World or a school like they did in Beslan. The long-feared backlash occurs, the left backs Islam and attacks churches etc., and it's giddyup.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 02, 2017 06:23 PM (Nwg0u)
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a mess of fluid and meat with evolutionary adaptions and electrical impulses, there is no "existence" merely battery life.
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (nnAfn)
Did someone say they would give me their meat with fluids?
And use that thing with batteries?
Sign me up!
Posted by: dagny at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (nnAfn)
Did someone say they would give me their meat with fluids?
And use that thing with batteries?
Sign me up!
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 02, 2017 06:23 PM (8iiMU)
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As for as governing goes, it does seem that having multiple competing sources of power within a society is actually more important then democracy.
When you have a fully centralized state you get some kind of horror whether it is communist (Stalin), socialist (Hitler), or even republican (Robespierre).
Of course Democrat is generally the best system we've discovered, but it is not a panacea by itself.
When you have a fully centralized state you get some kind of horror whether it is communist (Stalin), socialist (Hitler), or even republican (Robespierre).
Of course Democrat is generally the best system we've discovered, but it is not a panacea by itself.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 02, 2017 06:23 PM (aZq03)
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At best the Left is working for Satan without knowing it. Mass murders in the hundreds of millions humans is the tell.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2017 06:23 PM (Frvrc)
Posted by: eleven -- Church of Butts at February 02, 2017 06:24 PM (qUNWi)
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So I think this is a large factor of why they are acting like they are. Their world was turned upside down and the only way they can deal with it is violence.
Sure, and to compound matters we have an entire generation whose entire life has been one of comfort, ease, winning, protection, and coddling.
They don't know how to lose.
Sure, and to compound matters we have an entire generation whose entire life has been one of comfort, ease, winning, protection, and coddling.
They don't know how to lose.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:24 PM (39g3+)
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The Left is doing the age old practice of creating a God in their own image, or alternatively, worshipping the creature rather than the Creator.
Posted by: tubal at February 02, 2017 06:24 PM (zSVEm)
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Pshaw, you two can kiss my Ruby Rod - it is the Age of Asmodeus!
Posted by: Asmodeus at February 02, 2017 06:24 PM (kumBu)
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I don't think these leftists will take it beyond where it is now. The rioting and property damage will continue and escalate. It will happen in their strongholds like Oakland, Portland, Seattle, maybe just maybe NYC, but it won't happen at that level elsewhere.
They are not pussies per se. Those who have infiltrated their ranks report they have some military training, arms expertise, fighting skills. Their problem is that there is still a rule of law when it comes to assault to kill and actual murder.
The moment a Trumpster gets murdered by one of them, it's Katy bar the door and they will be hunted down and captured or killed.
And that's why we won't get a civil war. We'll have this slow soft burn type of war but not a shooting war.
They are not pussies per se. Those who have infiltrated their ranks report they have some military training, arms expertise, fighting skills. Their problem is that there is still a rule of law when it comes to assault to kill and actual murder.
The moment a Trumpster gets murdered by one of them, it's Katy bar the door and they will be hunted down and captured or killed.
And that's why we won't get a civil war. We'll have this slow soft burn type of war but not a shooting war.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (U6f54)
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>>>I would also love to pay for the tuition at their kids school for the children of the refugees.
Posted by: CaliGirl<<<
Interesting. I wonder if the Obamas are willing to adopt, and nurture a refugee in their new home in D.C., and use their influence to get this poor, dear child admittance to Sidwell, now that the elder child has flown the coop and left them with a near empty nest? After all, isn't that who we are?
Posted by: CaliGirl<<<
Interesting. I wonder if the Obamas are willing to adopt, and nurture a refugee in their new home in D.C., and use their influence to get this poor, dear child admittance to Sidwell, now that the elder child has flown the coop and left them with a near empty nest? After all, isn't that who we are?
Posted by: Fritz at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (2BjYu)
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They did get it together when they established first, Israel, and second Mossad. Plus Elie Wiesel. So it was a long time coming, but apparently they hit back pretty hard when they finally got around to punching.
Posted by: moki at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (gfRCk)
There was also some heroic action in the Warsaw ghetto where the Jewish remnant held out for a month against everything Hitler could throw at them.
Posted by: moki at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (gfRCk)
There was also some heroic action in the Warsaw ghetto where the Jewish remnant held out for a month against everything Hitler could throw at them.
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (USVq/)
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Amazon colluding with WaSt Atty Gen Bob "Lawfare a Grandma Who Won't Arrange Flowers For A Gay Wedding" Ferguson to fight the executive order on immigration. They want to be sure that Boeing, Microsoft and Amazon can import unlimited H1B visa workers and all their relatives.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (FtrY1)
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Please add me to your church's newsbulletin.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (JO9+V)
It's called a "newsboobletin".
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (JO9+V)
It's called a "newsboobletin".
Posted by: Twin Peaks Temple Council President at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (8iiMU)
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Guys, if we keep arguing about objective good Stoic Trumpublican is going to show up like Beetlejuice.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (kumBu)
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Ultimate Tazer Ball.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes
Easy for you to say, without skin in the game.
Ouch!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes
Easy for you to say, without skin in the game.
Ouch!
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (mgbwf)
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With small children, the rule Ace mentioned is phrased slightly differently:
Things that are mine, and things that I don't want.
Everything a toddler wants is "his", like your juice box or legos.
Anything else, like spinach or a bath, is forbidden.
Violate these rules and much screaming ensues.
Things that are mine, and things that I don't want.
Everything a toddler wants is "his", like your juice box or legos.
Anything else, like spinach or a bath, is forbidden.
Violate these rules and much screaming ensues.
Posted by: Boots at February 02, 2017 06:26 PM (EBwPV)
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Enlightenment Dude: I dunno, you'll figure out something.
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Laughed at that one. I'm going to work it into my future "Fuck the Enlightenment" postings.
Enlightenment Dude: I dunno, you'll figure out something.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
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Laughed at that one. I'm going to work it into my future "Fuck the Enlightenment" postings.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 02, 2017 06:26 PM (xN1DB)
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"But there is something else, related, that is troublesome: the heckler's veto, which is morphing into the hooligan's veto, over free speech (Milo's tour). "
If it weren't for the shithead college protesters, Milo would have no fame outside the Gamer crowd.
Milo loved last night. And they're proving his point and amplifying it 1000x.
I caught a little of the coverage on CNN last night, which had a scroll at the bottom "College protests over alt-right speaker." The heads would dare not speak Milo's name, or give any background on his Fabulousness. They're scared, or should be.
If it weren't for the shithead college protesters, Milo would have no fame outside the Gamer crowd.
Milo loved last night. And they're proving his point and amplifying it 1000x.
I caught a little of the coverage on CNN last night, which had a scroll at the bottom "College protests over alt-right speaker." The heads would dare not speak Milo's name, or give any background on his Fabulousness. They're scared, or should be.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (SIY7D)
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I was in Papua NG a couple years ago working with an Australian customer who had bidness in that shithole.
Australia throws big money at some of the island shitholes they share a bathtub with.
Australia throws big money at some of the island shitholes they share a bathtub with.
Posted by: JEM at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (TppKb)
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My response to all the Amazon, Starbucks, etc. stuff?
OVERTURN CITIZENS UNITED. CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE. THEY HAVE NO FIRST-AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
OVERTURN CITIZENS UNITED. CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE. THEY HAVE NO FIRST-AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (xN1DB)
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I worship tits
Heretic!!!
Posted by: eleven -- Church of Butts at February 02, 2017 06:24 PM (qUNWi)
Now you've done it. Created a cleft deep and wide.
Heretic!!!
Posted by: eleven -- Church of Butts at February 02, 2017 06:24 PM (qUNWi)
Now you've done it. Created a cleft deep and wide.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (JO9+V)
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CSMBigBird: "Shillary came out of her house today and saw her shadow, four more years of not being President."
Threadwinner!
I still can't believe Hillary! was the viable candidate chosen by the Democrats. What a bullet we dodged. SuperTrump stepped in and caught it with his teeth.
Threadwinner!
I still can't believe Hillary! was the viable candidate chosen by the Democrats. What a bullet we dodged. SuperTrump stepped in and caught it with his teeth.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (1CroS)
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I worship tits.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (4ErVI)
Your eyes are looking too damn high.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 06:20 PM (4ErVI)
Your eyes are looking too damn high.
Posted by: Sir Mix-A-Lot at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (USVq/)
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Ahhhhhhmennnnnnnnn.
Posted by: Liturgical Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (Gv7El)
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It's called a "newsboobletin".
Posted by: Twin Peaks Temple Council President at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (8iiMU)
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Mammarygram
Posted by: Twin Peaks Temple Council President at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (8iiMU)
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Mammarygram
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (vIjh1)
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223. (And a post number fitting the topic.) Yep. Get everybody packed in and hyped up in a big public place - let's call it a 'Maidan' - and push both sides to utter insanity.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (GdhCW)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2017 06:28 PM (/tuJf)
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Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 02, 2017 06:19 PM (mgbwf)
You didn't insult me personally. I'm sure that I bother God sometimes but God graciously put up with me. because God knows that I reallyreally do to be transformed into the image of his son, Jesus Christ; even though I often fail miserably in the process^) However, to me the tone is "Can't you pesky people just run alone and play with your delusions?." And just as i don't like the "My brand of Christianity is so much sweller than your is Ii don't appreciate the "You are an evil irreligiouss swine vs. the condescension rolling of some Atheists simply because they don't believe.
I like you, Bandersnatch. You are smart man and appealingly energetic and interesting
You didn't insult me personally. I'm sure that I bother God sometimes but God graciously put up with me. because God knows that I reallyreally do to be transformed into the image of his son, Jesus Christ; even though I often fail miserably in the process^) However, to me the tone is "Can't you pesky people just run alone and play with your delusions?." And just as i don't like the "My brand of Christianity is so much sweller than your is Ii don't appreciate the "You are an evil irreligiouss swine vs. the condescension rolling of some Atheists simply because they don't believe.
I like you, Bandersnatch. You are smart man and appealingly energetic and interesting
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:28 PM (fDdVG)
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Milo loved last night. And they're proving his point and amplifying it 1000x.
Yeah. Milo's not all that, but the reactions are making him the God-Chatterer.
Yeah. Milo's not all that, but the reactions are making him the God-Chatterer.
Posted by: JEM at February 02, 2017 06:29 PM (TppKb)
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The Republicans are going to have to adopt the best aspects of libertarianism to survive long term. Regrettably, many of the culture wars have been lost forever, in large part due to the capitulation, over decades, of Rep party leaders. Their platform should be free speech, individualism, personal freedom and very limited government.
Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 02, 2017 06:29 PM (nQ10o)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 02, 2017 06:29 PM (Nwg0u)
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Hi, I just love eating dicks
Posted by: Bill Wynn at February 02, 2017 06:30 PM (dnJP5)
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without having anything to build up in its place.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (39g3+)
Hey, man, what am I? Chopped dog liver?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:22 PM (39g3+)
Hey, man, what am I? Chopped dog liver?
Posted by: St. Barack the Lightworker at February 02, 2017 06:30 PM (sK2fh)
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"I was in Papua NG a couple years ago working with an Australian customer who had bidness in that shithole. Australia has a big problem with illegals but as liberal as they have been lately with their immigrant problems even these people were too much for them."
The left in Oz like to romanticize Australia's aboriginal population as noble savages with deep ecological and femynyst roots, who protected the land before whites arrived to destroy it, just as the American left do with this country's aborigines.
I hence laughed and laughed at the newly released paper which strongly implies that mass species extinctions followed, and were directly caused by, the introduction of said aboriginal humans into Australia. Just as happened here.
It's SCIENCE, bitches!!!
The left in Oz like to romanticize Australia's aboriginal population as noble savages with deep ecological and femynyst roots, who protected the land before whites arrived to destroy it, just as the American left do with this country's aborigines.
I hence laughed and laughed at the newly released paper which strongly implies that mass species extinctions followed, and were directly caused by, the introduction of said aboriginal humans into Australia. Just as happened here.
It's SCIENCE, bitches!!!
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2017 06:30 PM (noWW6)
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Bill Whinnying again!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:30 PM (fDdVG)
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So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world .
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Some anarchist gets off a lucky shot or blows up the wrong official for starters.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (vIjh)
Something so outrageous and unexpected that decent people finally say "fuck this shit, we're done" and bring the knives out.
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Some anarchist gets off a lucky shot or blows up the wrong official for starters.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (vIjh)
Something so outrageous and unexpected that decent people finally say "fuck this shit, we're done" and bring the knives out.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (uAkpP)
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Remember, according to the Left, only the divinely revealed truth is permissible. Thus democracy is only democracy, when the people come to the correct pre-determined result.
How is this utopia achieved? By the elite shaping the tabula rasa that is the people into the "New SovietMan Person. Once properly indoctrinated with the correct thinking, the correct answers will flow forth to create a deus faux, the Volonte Generale, which will create a utopia of equity and unanimity where everyone is an elite special little snowflake.
How is this utopia achieved? By the elite shaping the tabula rasa that is the people into the "New Soviet
Posted by: The Political Hat at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (OzJeO)
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Just admit your heresy and we will be lenient!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (EnKk6)
You forgot that we won't even tell you what your heresy is. Just start admitting stuff.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (EnKk6)
You forgot that we won't even tell you what your heresy is. Just start admitting stuff.
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"Posted by: Bill Wynn at February 02, 2017 06:30 PM (dnJP5) "
Well shit guys, Bill Wynn saw his shadow - guess that means 6 more weeks of winter.
Well shit guys, Bill Wynn saw his shadow - guess that means 6 more weeks of winter.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (kumBu)
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What was once proper leftist thought becomes heresy, sometimes without warning and in very short order.
That's because it's all about political expedience.
That's because it's all about political expedience.
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I dunno. How are Trump supporters handling no Obamacare repeal and Betsy DeLoss?
Posted by: Bill Wynn
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Monmouth has their acceptance down 100,000 points in Florida.
Looks like a short night.
Posted by: Bill Wynn
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Monmouth has their acceptance down 100,000 points in Florida.
Looks like a short night.
Posted by: Liturgical Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (Gv7El)
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As with any religious doctrine - you can have a hard reading of the text or a soft reading. This can be done with Islam too (should some so choose) - the bit about seeing a Jew hiding behind a bush and killing him, well, ignore it and say that's dumb. Same thing applies with the bible. There are great gems in there, but that doesn't mean that we have to have a hard reading and take every single thing verbatim, translated across generations. Take the good parts for personal behaviour and for societal function, that's good enough.
These crazy people are not only seeking violence, but they have that hard reading of any text
These crazy people are not only seeking violence, but they have that hard reading of any text
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I confess that I am a hertic. I don't worship uhhh .."tits" ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:32 PM (fDdVG)
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ou forgot that we won't even tell you what your heresy is. Just start admitting stuff.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (J70i0)
I tried and failed to describe a "trans-dyke".
There was no correct answer!
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (J70i0)
I tried and failed to describe a "trans-dyke".
There was no correct answer!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at February 02, 2017 06:33 PM (EnKk6)
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I dunno. How are Trump supporters handling no Obamacare repeal and Betsy DeLoss?
Posted by: Bill Wynn at February 02, 2017 06:30 PM (dnJP5)
Aren't you Mr "Early Night For Hillary?"
I dunno. How are Trump supporters handling no Obamacare repeal and Betsy DeLoss?
Posted by: Bill Wynn at February 02, 2017 06:30 PM (dnJP5)
Aren't you Mr "Early Night For Hillary?"
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 02, 2017 06:33 PM (oVJmc)
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Stop moving forward!!
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Re -# 269.
Agree totally Fen... as long as you don't go all Arminian on me...
Agree totally Fen... as long as you don't go all Arminian on me...
Posted by: tubal at February 02, 2017 06:33 PM (zSVEm)
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Let's have a picnic by the river!
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So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world .
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Some anarchist gets off a lucky shot or blows up the wrong official for starters.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (vIjh)
Something so outrageous and unexpected that decent people finally say "fuck this shit, we're done" and bring the knives out.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (uAkpP)
My bet is turns out to be something minor. The final snowflake that causes the avalanche. It will be like Trump getting elected. The establishment will look bewildered as things spiral out of control.
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Some anarchist gets off a lucky shot or blows up the wrong official for starters.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 06:08 PM (vIjh)
Something so outrageous and unexpected that decent people finally say "fuck this shit, we're done" and bring the knives out.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (uAkpP)
My bet is turns out to be something minor. The final snowflake that causes the avalanche. It will be like Trump getting elected. The establishment will look bewildered as things spiral out of control.
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These crazy people are not only seeking violence, but they have that hard reading of any text
Posted by: Lurker primus at February 02, 2017 06:32 PM (DhPrq)
It's the classic "literal" versus "contextual" interpretation......
Posted by: Lurker primus at February 02, 2017 06:32 PM (DhPrq)
It's the classic "literal" versus "contextual" interpretation......
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt, loving the Cubs even though they are WINNERS at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (8iiMU)
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Now you've done it. Created a cleft deep and wide.
Posted by: Count de Monet
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This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Count de Monet
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This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (ZO497)
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Why Can't the Left Accept a Defeat?
I dunno. How are Trump supporters handling no Obamacare repeal and Betsy DeLoss?
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Yeah, many the building has been burned and many the victim assaulted in the conservative riots that followed those defeats.
I dunno. How are Trump supporters handling no Obamacare repeal and Betsy DeLoss?
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Yeah, many the building has been burned and many the victim assaulted in the conservative riots that followed those defeats.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 02, 2017 06:35 PM (Nwg0u)
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Well shit guys, Bill Wynn saw his shadow - guess that means 6 more weeks of winter.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (kumBu)
Nah, it's going to be an earlynight spring.
Well shit guys, Bill Wynn saw his shadow - guess that means 6 more weeks of winter.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:31 PM (kumBu)
Nah, it's going to be an early
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My bet is turns out to be something minor. The final snowflake that causes the avalanche. It will be like Trump getting elected. The establishment will look bewildered as things spiral out of control.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (J70i0)
They're going to look more than bewildered considering they're going to be targets.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (J70i0)
They're going to look more than bewildered considering they're going to be targets.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (4ErVI)
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The establishment will look bewildered as things spiral out of control.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist
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heh
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist
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heh
Posted by: The Camp of the Saints at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (ZO497)
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274 Hey, man, what am I? Chopped dog liver?
Posted by: St. Barack the Lightworker at February 02, 2017 06:30 PM (sK2fh)
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Eight short years ago we witnessed the immaculation of St. Barack - all of the fawning press coverage, the children singing his praises, the photoshopped iconography showing his radiant halo around his snooty upturned nose, it was funny but not.
He was their messiah, come to save the world and usher in a millennium of peace. Remember the Nobel Peace Prize before he even ascended to the WH?
It's making a lot of sense what The Federalist is saying. And that is why they cannot accept the defeat of their feminine godhead the pantsuit prophet.
Posted by: St. Barack the Lightworker at February 02, 2017 06:30 PM (sK2fh)
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Eight short years ago we witnessed the immaculation of St. Barack - all of the fawning press coverage, the children singing his praises, the photoshopped iconography showing his radiant halo around his snooty upturned nose, it was funny but not.
He was their messiah, come to save the world and usher in a millennium of peace. Remember the Nobel Peace Prize before he even ascended to the WH?
It's making a lot of sense what The Federalist is saying. And that is why they cannot accept the defeat of their feminine godhead the pantsuit prophet.
Posted by: Boots at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (EBwPV)
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I dunno. How are Trump supporters handling no Obamacare repeal and Betsy DeLoss?
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Suck off a 12-gauge, asswipe.
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Suck off a 12-gauge, asswipe.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (fVubI)
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I like you, Bandersnatch. You are smart man and appealingly energetic and interesting
He'd make a great pet.
I like you, Bandersnatch. You are smart man and appealingly energetic and interesting
He'd make a great pet.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE (Special Limited Edition) at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (7T8jT)
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I confess that I am a hertic. I don't worship uhhh .."tits" ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:32 PM (fDdVG)
All we ask is that you just give them a little respect.
I confess that I am a hertic. I don't worship uhhh .."tits" ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:32 PM (fDdVG)
All we ask is that you just give them a little respect.
Posted by: Twin Peaks Temple Council President at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (8iiMU)
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My response to all the Amazon, Starbucks, etc. stuff?
OVERTURN CITIZENS UNITED. CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE. THEY HAVE NO FIRST-AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (xN1DB)
Yes they do because they are owned and run by people who have those rights... that doesn't mean conservatives have to do business with them.
OVERTURN CITIZENS UNITED. CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE. THEY HAVE NO FIRST-AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 02, 2017 06:27 PM (xN1DB)
Yes they do because they are owned and run by people who have those rights... that doesn't mean conservatives have to do business with them.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (rAIG/)
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Oh, and if you have time to humor a Kennedy:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/02/take-the-new-york-times-climate-quiz/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/02/take-the-new-york-times-climate-quiz/
Posted by: JEM at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (TppKb)
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Let's have a picnic by the river!
Posted by: Littoraly Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (sK2fh)
And watch the little men in boats pass by
Posted by: Littoraly Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (sK2fh)
And watch the little men in boats pass by
Posted by: Clittoral Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (JO9+V)
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Civil wars often have happened in the past when one side mistakenly thought that they were about to lose all that they gained. Parliament rebelling against Charles I, Ditto against James II, the U.S. against Great Britain, French Revolution after Marie stupidly tried to get help from the Hapsburgs while in custody, the South after Lincoln's election, Pinochet and Allende in Chile, or when a whole ruling class is discredited--Weimar Republic, Chiang Kai Shek and his republic, and Russia under the czar and its successor the ill fated Kerensky republic and so on.
It often gets worse if other nations get involved.
It often gets worse if other nations get involved.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (R15Tp)
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"Worked for me!
Posted by: Gavrilo Princip at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (noWW6) "
Who are they calling lucky?
Posted by: Gavrilo Princip at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (noWW6) "
Who are they calling lucky?
Posted by: Leon Czolgosz at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (kumBu)
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Yeah. Milo's not all that, but the reactions are making him the God-Chatterer.
Yeah, he's at best a co-defendant. He's not in any way a real ally, he's just as upset at some of the really crazy crap out there as we are. But he's very articulate and well spoken and Americans think any English accent is super smart (so much so we cast a cockney as a butler in Batman), and he's gay which is all fab-o and hip now. So he's very effective and gets under the skin of the left terribly.
Yeah, he's at best a co-defendant. He's not in any way a real ally, he's just as upset at some of the really crazy crap out there as we are. But he's very articulate and well spoken and Americans think any English accent is super smart (so much so we cast a cockney as a butler in Batman), and he's gay which is all fab-o and hip now. So he's very effective and gets under the skin of the left terribly.
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Posted by: Soothsayer SLE (Special Limited Edition) at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (7T8jT)
If that's what it sounded like, I apologize. That was NOT the way it was intended.
If that's what it sounded like, I apologize. That was NOT the way it was intended.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (fDdVG)
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Will Bynn!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (89T5c)
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What is astounding to me is the syncretization of this religion of the left and Christianity.
That is, there are elements of the Church that are now following a new form of Christianity in which the tenets of the left are being incorporated as Christian Doctrine.
Yeah, I know the Church has had leftists forever. But not the Churches i attended. Not comprised of the sort of people who grew up at least center-right homes, half of them homeschooled, but who are now attending pussy hat rallies and coming unhinged on Fb over the status of Syrian refugees.
There is a new kind of justification by works, it seems; there is an appeal to things like overseas adoption and refugee relief which has less to do with concern for the needy and more to do with virtue signalling within the walls of the Church. It's pretty hard to criticize people for some of the things they are doing, but there is a tone to it that alarms me and that I cannot quite put my finger on at the same time.
But oh boy does it come out at times like this.
That is, there are elements of the Church that are now following a new form of Christianity in which the tenets of the left are being incorporated as Christian Doctrine.
Yeah, I know the Church has had leftists forever. But not the Churches i attended. Not comprised of the sort of people who grew up at least center-right homes, half of them homeschooled, but who are now attending pussy hat rallies and coming unhinged on Fb over the status of Syrian refugees.
There is a new kind of justification by works, it seems; there is an appeal to things like overseas adoption and refugee relief which has less to do with concern for the needy and more to do with virtue signalling within the walls of the Church. It's pretty hard to criticize people for some of the things they are doing, but there is a tone to it that alarms me and that I cannot quite put my finger on at the same time.
But oh boy does it come out at times like this.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (yL25O)
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My bet is turns out to be something minor. The final snowflake that causes the avalanche. It will be like Trump getting elected. The establishment will look bewildered as things spirl out of control.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (J70i0)
Yo, falcon! Why won't you listen to me?
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (J70i0)
Yo, falcon! Why won't you listen to me?
Posted by: The Falconer at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (OzJeO)
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At best the Left is working for Satan without knowing it. Mass murders in the hundreds of millions humans is the tell.
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I think there is a balance in all of us between good and evil. Most people choose the side of good. They do not randomly beat someone because they have a different opinion.
However, there are those that are doing that right now. They are choose violence (which is generally seen as bad) over non-violence (which is generally seen as good.) People decide to act that way. There is a clear choice here: sit in a dorm room and get stoned or go out to vandalize and beat people.
And if you choose the latter, aren't you choosing evil? And if you're choosing evil, aren't you siding against God and choosing Satan?
Some people don't have a moral compass, so it's easy to choose evil. Which seems to me a thing that would benefit Satan.
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I think there is a balance in all of us between good and evil. Most people choose the side of good. They do not randomly beat someone because they have a different opinion.
However, there are those that are doing that right now. They are choose violence (which is generally seen as bad) over non-violence (which is generally seen as good.) People decide to act that way. There is a clear choice here: sit in a dorm room and get stoned or go out to vandalize and beat people.
And if you choose the latter, aren't you choosing evil? And if you're choosing evil, aren't you siding against God and choosing Satan?
Some people don't have a moral compass, so it's easy to choose evil. Which seems to me a thing that would benefit Satan.
Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (J5mC3)
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"Something like 65 million voted for Hillary, but out of that I'd say only five to ten million are hard core crazy"
Agree completely. There are still plenty of normal people on the other side.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (OVUYQ)
Totally disagree.
They're like we've said about "moderate Muslims:" Moderate lefties just want the radical lefties to do all the looting and shooting for them. They're totally on board with the idea though.
Yes there might be a rare few exceptions. But not many.
Agree completely. There are still plenty of normal people on the other side.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 02, 2017 06:12 PM (OVUYQ)
Totally disagree.
They're like we've said about "moderate Muslims:" Moderate lefties just want the radical lefties to do all the looting and shooting for them. They're totally on board with the idea though.
Yes there might be a rare few exceptions. But not many.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (uAkpP)
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I like you, Bandersnatch. You are smart man and appealingly energetic and interesting
He'd make a great pet.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE (Special Limited Edition) at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (7T8jT)
Can confirm.
He'd make a great pet.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE (Special Limited Edition) at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (7T8jT)
Can confirm.
Posted by: alexthechick - ho ho ho now I've got a Ravage at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (dEQP3)
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I prefer to think I'm only the Fuhrer some of the time - you know, Intermittently Hitler.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (kumBu)
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Bandersnatch has a shiny coat and he's good with kids, too.
Bandersnatch has a shiny coat and he's good with kids, too.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE (Special Limited Edition) at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (7T8jT)
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Think about that bathroom argument that popped up out of nowhere. It was something they never wanted; never cared about... until one random Wednesday afternoon at 3:12. Then SUDDENLY they were able to work themselves into a purple-faced rage over it.
Remember: When the left are making demands, shrieking in the street, calling you a fascist, burning things...
...they are fighting for shit they haven't even made up yet.
They are demanding that you pre-agree to nonsense that WILL occur to them in the future.
Remember: When the left are making demands, shrieking in the street, calling you a fascist, burning things...
...they are fighting for shit they haven't even made up yet.
They are demanding that you pre-agree to nonsense that WILL occur to them in the future.
Posted by: RKae at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (cYyfJ)
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How are Trump supporters handling no Obamacare repeal and Betsy DeLoss?
I wonder if this fool ever gets tired of being wrong? I mean, does he wake up in the middle of the night and think "I keep getting everything so wrong, I'm so far off over and over maybe... just maybe I should consider.... nahhh"
I wonder if this fool ever gets tired of being wrong? I mean, does he wake up in the middle of the night and think "I keep getting everything so wrong, I'm so far off over and over maybe... just maybe I should consider.... nahhh"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (39g3+)
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Tech worker=code monkey with an attitude in a stinky cube.
Posted by: Under Fire at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (57R5r)
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Also, on the "anarchists" who have been so much in the news lately, I note that the J20 organization that was setting up various provocations and disruptions around the Trump inaugural was itself composed of delegates from other lefty organizations.
One of which being a self-described "Regional Coordinating Council". A coordinating council for anarchists.
Organize for anarchy! Procrastinate now! Jumbo shrimp!
One of which being a self-described "Regional Coordinating Council". A coordinating council for anarchists.
Organize for anarchy! Procrastinate now! Jumbo shrimp!
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (noWW6)
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Yes they do because they are owned and run by people who have those rights...
CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE!
Well, what about corporations like unions and NGOs like Sierra Club?
(at some point in this discussion heads explode.)
CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE!
Well, what about corporations like unions and NGOs like Sierra Club?
(at some point in this discussion heads explode.)
Posted by: JEM at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (TppKb)
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"Yo, falcon! Why won't you listen to me?
Posted by: The Falconer at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (OzJeO) "
I have a busy weekend, can't this wait?
Posted by: The Falconer at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (OzJeO) "
I have a busy weekend, can't this wait?
Posted by: Matt Ryan at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (kumBu)
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What was once proper leftist thought becomes heresy, sometimes without warning and in very short order.
That's because it's all about political expedience.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
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Save A Tree, Use Plastic Bags!
That's because it's all about political expedience.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
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Save A Tree, Use Plastic Bags!
Posted by: Eco-Warrior at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (ZO497)
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Eight short years ago we witnessed the immaculation of St. Barack - all of the fawning press coverage, the children singing his praises, the photoshopped iconography showing his radiant halo around his snooty upturned nose, it was funny but not.
Posted by: Boots at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (EBwPV)
Yes, the cult of personality around Obama in 2008 was blatant, thoroughly un-American, and downright frightening.
Eight short years ago we witnessed the immaculation of St. Barack - all of the fawning press coverage, the children singing his praises, the photoshopped iconography showing his radiant halo around his snooty upturned nose, it was funny but not.
Posted by: Boots at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (EBwPV)
Yes, the cult of personality around Obama in 2008 was blatant, thoroughly un-American, and downright frightening.
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So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world .
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A book I read recently on the Spanish Civil War said Franco attacked when he became convinced it would be more dangerous to do nothing than to do something. He became so convinced when the left assassinated the head of a minor right-wing party.
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A book I read recently on the Spanish Civil War said Franco attacked when he became convinced it would be more dangerous to do nothing than to do something. He became so convinced when the left assassinated the head of a minor right-wing party.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (Nwg0u)
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Yes they do because they are owned and run by people who have those rights... that doesn't mean conservatives have to do business with them.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (rAIG/)
Right. He's just calling the left on the hypocrisy of their argument against Citizens United.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (rAIG/)
Right. He's just calling the left on the hypocrisy of their argument against Citizens United.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (yL25O)
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Czolgosz murdered McKinley,, right?
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (89T5c)
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306 Let's have a picnic by the river!
Posted by: Littoraly Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (sK2fh)
And watch the little men in boats pass by
Posted by: Clittoral Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (JO9+V)
Yoohoo! *waves coquettishly*
Posted by: Littoraly Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (sK2fh)
And watch the little men in boats pass by
Posted by: Clittoral Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (JO9+V)
Yoohoo! *waves coquettishly*
Posted by: Von Ribbentwat at February 02, 2017 06:40 PM (EnKk6)
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295 Why Can't the Left Accept a Defeat?
I dunno. How are Trump supporters handling no Obamacare repeal and Betsy DeLoss?
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Yeah, many the building has been burned and many the victim assaulted in the conservative riots that followed those defeats.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free!
Those sick burns on twitter are very painful.
I dunno. How are Trump supporters handling no Obamacare repeal and Betsy DeLoss?
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Yeah, many the building has been burned and many the victim assaulted in the conservative riots that followed those defeats.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free!
Those sick burns on twitter are very painful.
Posted by: Puddleglum at February 02, 2017 06:40 PM (Vog7R)
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Totally disagree.
They're like we've said about "moderate Muslims:" Moderate lefties just want the radical lefties to do all the looting and shooting for them. They're totally on board with the idea though.
Yes there might be a rare few exceptions. But not many.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (uAkpP)
I agree 100%. If you don't vocally and visibly protest poor behavior, then you support it. There is not middle ground and there is no " I am against this BUT" NO BUTs you against it or your for it.
They're like we've said about "moderate Muslims:" Moderate lefties just want the radical lefties to do all the looting and shooting for them. They're totally on board with the idea though.
Yes there might be a rare few exceptions. But not many.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 02, 2017 06:38 PM (uAkpP)
I agree 100%. If you don't vocally and visibly protest poor behavior, then you support it. There is not middle ground and there is no " I am against this BUT" NO BUTs you against it or your for it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2017 06:40 PM (SjImc)
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My heart pumps peanut butter for the poor, poor Coastal Elites...
Posted by: Litorally Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:41 PM (kP16F)
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I confess that I am a hertic. I don't worship uhhh .."tits" ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
You are still welcome here. It's an interesting religion; although the congregation is almost entirely male, the clergy is all female.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
You are still welcome here. It's an interesting religion; although the congregation is almost entirely male, the clergy is all female.
Posted by: mikeski at February 02, 2017 06:41 PM (TXZ1v)
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That is, there are elements of the Church that are now following a new form of Christianity in which the tenets of the left are being incorporated as Christian Doctrine.
The Christian church has always been at its worst when it follows rather than leads culture. Instead of being salt and light, it turns into a sycophant begging for scraps at the table and hoping to be petted once in a while. See, we're good too, we're like you! Come to a service where we promise not to talk about sin and only mention Jesus once in a while!
The Christian church has always been at its worst when it follows rather than leads culture. Instead of being salt and light, it turns into a sycophant begging for scraps at the table and hoping to be petted once in a while. See, we're good too, we're like you! Come to a service where we promise not to talk about sin and only mention Jesus once in a while!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:41 PM (39g3+)
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"Yes there might be a rare few exceptions. But not many."
Politically I want nothing to do with people that think this way. 100 million or more fellow Americans are not the enemy.
We're nowhere close to having the mix of elements for a Civil War.
Politically I want nothing to do with people that think this way. 100 million or more fellow Americans are not the enemy.
We're nowhere close to having the mix of elements for a Civil War.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 06:42 PM (SIY7D)
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So he's very effective and gets under the skin of the left terribly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (39g3+)
And he is unflappable, which is fairly amazing considering some of the people who have interviewed him or confronted him.
I would have jumped over the table and smacked a bitch in a few of those interviews.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (39g3+)
And he is unflappable, which is fairly amazing considering some of the people who have interviewed him or confronted him.
I would have jumped over the table and smacked a bitch in a few of those interviews.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2017 06:42 PM (rF0hx)
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Yes they do because they are owned and run by
people who have those rights... that doesn't mean conservatives have to
do business with them.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (rAIG/)
Right. He's just calling the left on the hypocrisy of their argument against Citizens United.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (yL25O)
I know... but it cannot be stressed enough that we should not be doing business with people who take our money and seek to destroy us with it:-P
people who have those rights... that doesn't mean conservatives have to
do business with them.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:36 PM (rAIG/)
Right. He's just calling the left on the hypocrisy of their argument against Citizens United.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (yL25O)
I know... but it cannot be stressed enough that we should not be doing business with people who take our money and seek to destroy us with it:-P
Posted by: redbanzai at February 02, 2017 06:42 PM (rAIG/)
Posted by: Evil Libertarian at February 02, 2017 06:42 PM (fWTxg)
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One of which being a self-described "Regional Coordinating Council". A coordinating council for anarchists.
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Ever notice that your typical anarchist would be among the first to perish if actual anarchy ever befell us.
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Ever notice that your typical anarchist would be among the first to perish if actual anarchy ever befell us.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2017 06:42 PM (vIjh1)
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>>>What is astounding to me is the syncretization of this religion of the left and Christianity.
They were never separated to begin with, as long as you take Christianity to mean Protestantism.
They were never separated to begin with, as long as you take Christianity to mean Protestantism.
Posted by: a phoenician sailor at February 02, 2017 06:43 PM (uEmgg)
Posted by: ShainS at February 02, 2017 06:43 PM (mt8X9)
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If the Trump admin's Justice Department decided today that violence and assault resulting from political differences be included as a Hate Crime, what do you think the Left would say (after they shat bricks)?
If the Trump admin's Justice Department decided today that violence and assault resulting from political differences be included as a Hate Crime, what do you think the Left would say (after they shat bricks)?
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE (Special Limited Edition) at February 02, 2017 06:43 PM (7T8jT)
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There was also some heroic action in the Warsaw ghetto where the Jewish remnant held out for a month against everything Hitler could throw at them.
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (USVq/)
I have been researching the Warsaw Uprising of 44, after meeting a gentleman who had been one of the kids scurrying around the sewers as a courier. The Ghetto uprising was an inspiration for that. I have a couple of books on it, and I'm anxious to get started on them.
There was also some heroic action in the Warsaw ghetto where the Jewish remnant held out for a month against everything Hitler could throw at them.
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 02, 2017 06:25 PM (USVq/)
I have been researching the Warsaw Uprising of 44, after meeting a gentleman who had been one of the kids scurrying around the sewers as a courier. The Ghetto uprising was an inspiration for that. I have a couple of books on it, and I'm anxious to get started on them.
Posted by: moki at February 02, 2017 06:43 PM (gfRCk)
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"If you don't vocally and visibly protest poor behavior, then you support it."
I honestly have had this said to me:
"Well, you didn't come out and denounce the conservative wingnut who attacked the IRS building with an airplane, so of course we assume you support his goals."
Ah. Yes. The "conservative" who approvingly quoted Karl Marx in his suicide-murder manifesto. Yeah, I've got *so* much in common with him politically.
I honestly have had this said to me:
"Well, you didn't come out and denounce the conservative wingnut who attacked the IRS building with an airplane, so of course we assume you support his goals."
Ah. Yes. The "conservative" who approvingly quoted Karl Marx in his suicide-murder manifesto. Yeah, I've got *so* much in common with him politically.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2017 06:44 PM (noWW6)
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They are demanding that you pre-agree to nonsense that WILL occur to them in the future.
Posted by: RKae at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (cYyfJ)
It puts the check mark next to the (D) on the ballot, or else it gets the hose again.
Posted by: RKae at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (cYyfJ)
It puts the check mark next to the (D) on the ballot, or else it gets the hose again.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2017 06:44 PM (sK2fh)
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Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2017 05:59 PM (noWW6)
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You're a millennial, aren't you?
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You're a millennial, aren't you?
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2017 06:44 PM (Fmupd)
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Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2017 06:35 PM (sdi6R)
someone should ask, How does Donald J. Trump Starfish taste?
someone should ask, How does Donald J. Trump Starfish taste?
Posted by: EVLINC! at February 02, 2017 06:44 PM (y3aQB)
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Milo is like Breitbart and a few others who have a personality that is engaged and energized by opposition and trouble. There are people like me that rest and become energized by quiet and solitude, those who do so through interaction with people and then ... those guys, who I can't even relate to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:44 PM (39g3+)
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Yes, the cult of personality around Obama in 2008 was blatant, thoroughly un-American, and downright frightening.
Posted by: rickl
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The only thing weirder than the Cult of Obama is the insistence by the left that it didn't happen. Mention it to them and they deny it outright or say that they don't recall it.
Seriously, it's very tough to find anyone on the left who says "yeah, you know what? We got kinda carried away there. Obama was a good president, but we never should have gone in for all that messianic bullshit."
To be fair, if you're a college idiot, you might have been too young in 2008 to see how crazy it all was, but no one over 25 has any excuse.
Posted by: rickl
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The only thing weirder than the Cult of Obama is the insistence by the left that it didn't happen. Mention it to them and they deny it outright or say that they don't recall it.
Seriously, it's very tough to find anyone on the left who says "yeah, you know what? We got kinda carried away there. Obama was a good president, but we never should have gone in for all that messianic bullshit."
To be fair, if you're a college idiot, you might have been too young in 2008 to see how crazy it all was, but no one over 25 has any excuse.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 02, 2017 06:44 PM (xN1DB)
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This place is getting deep. Are we wearing smoking jackets now .... Without pants, of course
Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2017 06:45 PM (NLmyj)
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329 Czolgosz murdered McKinley,, right?
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (89T5c)
Which made Theodore Roosevelt president, the first Progressive president.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (89T5c)
Which made Theodore Roosevelt president, the first Progressive president.
Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2017 06:45 PM (sdi6R)
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Posted by: a phoenician sailor at February 02, 2017 06:43 PM (uEmgg)
Ohm groovy, Are we going to the Reformation Counter-Reformation fights now? .
Ohm groovy, Are we going to the Reformation Counter-Reformation fights now? .
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:45 PM (fDdVG)
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See, we're good too, we're like you! Come to a service where we promise not to talk about sin and only mention Jesus once in a while!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:41 PM (39g3+)
Yes indeed.
There was a new church advertising itself here in Austin with road signs that said "The church for the rest of us."
Way to trample on the Bride.
To so easily throw all the rest of the Church under the bus to score points for this new brand you're setting up.
In one short sentence they validate every smear of the Church as whatever we're accused of, and set themselves up as the only one place that is totes serious you guys not like that.
Burned me up, those damn signs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:41 PM (39g3+)
Yes indeed.
There was a new church advertising itself here in Austin with road signs that said "The church for the rest of us."
Way to trample on the Bride.
To so easily throw all the rest of the Church under the bus to score points for this new brand you're setting up.
In one short sentence they validate every smear of the Church as whatever we're accused of, and set themselves up as the only one place that is totes serious you guys not like that.
Burned me up, those damn signs.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 02, 2017 06:46 PM (yL25O)
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supposed to have Bill Lose's name in that dammit
Posted by: EVLINC! at February 02, 2017 06:46 PM (y3aQB)
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Nood, apparently.
Posted by: Vanceone at February 02, 2017 06:46 PM (KbgjX)
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Where did Aborigines aboriginate?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 02, 2017 06:46 PM (IqV8l)
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Dennis Prager wrote an essay on this a couple years back: http://tinyurl.com/z6o9fwf
First two paragraphs:
"For at least the last hundred years, the world's most dynamic religion has been neither Christianity nor Islam.
It is leftism."
First two paragraphs:
"For at least the last hundred years, the world's most dynamic religion has been neither Christianity nor Islam.
It is leftism."
Posted by: ShainS at February 02, 2017 06:46 PM (mt8X9)
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322. Anarchists form groups for various ourposes, affinity groups, they call them. They're quite organized, actually, and operated by a sort of consensus method at the operational level. Weird, but it is internally consistent.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 02, 2017 06:47 PM (GdhCW)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:45 PM
I hope so. We're past 300 comments, isn't it time for longbows vs. crossbows?
I hope so. We're past 300 comments, isn't it time for longbows vs. crossbows?
Posted by: a phoenician sailor at February 02, 2017 06:47 PM (uEmgg)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:47 PM (fDdVG)
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Just want to make a brief point.
There is so much we don't know about what's happening. And we cannot trust the media.
How many people were involved in Berkley?
Were they actually students?
Or were they agitators?
If they were agitators, were they paid? Who paid them?
Narratives are easily manipulated.
500 angry students are different than 5000 angry students, which is different than 400 students and 100 paid agitators.
I don't trust anything the press is saying. Was it after Ferguson when there were all those BLM riots where they were bussing in protestors?
Who is to say that's not happening here?
The media, through the use of selective camera angles and edited information, can make a protest of 100 seem like 2000 or more people are screaming.
In reality, it might be 100, only 15 people are violent.
There is so much we don't know about what's happening. And we cannot trust the media.
How many people were involved in Berkley?
Were they actually students?
Or were they agitators?
If they were agitators, were they paid? Who paid them?
Narratives are easily manipulated.
500 angry students are different than 5000 angry students, which is different than 400 students and 100 paid agitators.
I don't trust anything the press is saying. Was it after Ferguson when there were all those BLM riots where they were bussing in protestors?
Who is to say that's not happening here?
The media, through the use of selective camera angles and edited information, can make a protest of 100 seem like 2000 or more people are screaming.
In reality, it might be 100, only 15 people are violent.
Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 02, 2017 06:47 PM (J5mC3)
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"Well, you didn't come out and denounce the conservative wingnut who attacked the IRS building with an airplane, so of course we assume you support his goals."
Ah. Yes. The "conservative" who approvingly quoted Karl Marx in his suicide-murder manifesto. Yeah, I've got *so* much in common with him politically.
Posted by: torquewrench
Him and Lougner. They still think they can drop their trash on our steps.
Ah. Yes. The "conservative" who approvingly quoted Karl Marx in his suicide-murder manifesto. Yeah, I've got *so* much in common with him politically.
Posted by: torquewrench
Him and Lougner. They still think they can drop their trash on our steps.
Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2017 06:47 PM (NLmyj)
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And to think, they do this for Hillary. Gross. Just gross.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 02, 2017 06:47 PM (ve0bY)
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I wouldn't say Satanism, more just Godly less.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (Frvrc)
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Within one decade, you will agree with me. Maybe sooner.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2017 06:16 PM (Frvrc)
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Within one decade, you will agree with me. Maybe sooner.
Posted by: Mega at February 02, 2017 06:48 PM (EdXI9)
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10M out of the 65M might be the hardcore crazies, but 35 won't care what the crazies do to you, 15M will have some mild doubts, and only a few will have any Bonhoeffer in them.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 02, 2017 06:48 PM (oVJmc)
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Leni's Lizard Likes Leaping Lions
Posted by: Alliteral Hitler at February 02, 2017 06:48 PM (Gv7El)
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They were never separated to begin with, as long as you take Christianity to mean Protestantism.
Posted by: a phoenician sailor at February 02, 2017 06:43 PM (uEmgg)
Uh-huh. So which half of the baby do you choose, Catholic or Orthodox?
Posted by: a phoenician sailor at February 02, 2017 06:43 PM (uEmgg)
Uh-huh. So which half of the baby do you choose, Catholic or Orthodox?
Posted by: TexasDan at February 02, 2017 06:49 PM (yL25O)
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he that says, I know Him, and keeps not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Posted by: the Butcher at February 02, 2017 06:49 PM (AGJqR)
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Excellent post, ace. Frankly, rather frightening, but you nailed it.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - No-Longer-Deplorable Source of all SMODs at February 02, 2017 06:50 PM (tHocv)
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Messianic cult? Can any one say Islamic Fundamentalism? Anyone? it would explain the democrats defense of Muslim terrorists, brothers in arms. And before anyone decries the analogy, I direct your attention to Berkeley, Baltimore and Ferguson, plus pick any Trump rally disrupted by violence of the democrat apparatchik.
Posted by: Locke Common at February 02, 2017 06:50 PM (3qOVv)
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You are still welcome here. It's an interesting religion; although the congregation is almost entirely male, the clergy is all female.
Posted by: mikeski at February 02, 2017 06:41 PM (TXZ1v)
Don't forget the saints!
For example, today is Saint Uschi Digard's feast day.
Posted by: mikeski at February 02, 2017 06:41 PM (TXZ1v)
Don't forget the saints!
For example, today is Saint Uschi Digard's feast day.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2017 06:50 PM (4ErVI)
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There is a new kind of justification by works, it
seems; there is an appeal to things like overseas adoption and refugee
relief which has less to do with concern for the needy and more to do
with virtue signalling within the walls of the Church. It's pretty hard
to criticize people for some of the things they are doing, but there is a
tone to it that alarms me and that I cannot quite put my finger on at
the same time.
But oh boy does it come out at times like this.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (yL25O)
Yes. Don't get me started on this. About 10-15 years ago, my town, which is comprised of a large number of a certain Christian denomination that will remain unnamed, seemed to get into a phase of adopting Asian children.Apparently the church started the process, and it soon became 'a thing'.
While this is ostensibly a good thing, what I found troubling was the attitude of the parents. I realize now that it is simply "virtue-signalling". Many families would display their one or two older biological (lily-white) kids, and then preen over their newest Vietnamese or Korean or Chinese addition.It was very similar to showing off a new car, or brag of a new job, or a new pet.
I certainly do not object to adoption. My only critique is one of a 'charity begins at home' variety - please adopt an American child first, THEN go abroad. That, and quit the virtue signalling.
seems; there is an appeal to things like overseas adoption and refugee
relief which has less to do with concern for the needy and more to do
with virtue signalling within the walls of the Church. It's pretty hard
to criticize people for some of the things they are doing, but there is a
tone to it that alarms me and that I cannot quite put my finger on at
the same time.
But oh boy does it come out at times like this.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 02, 2017 06:37 PM (yL25O)
Yes. Don't get me started on this. About 10-15 years ago, my town, which is comprised of a large number of a certain Christian denomination that will remain unnamed, seemed to get into a phase of adopting Asian children.Apparently the church started the process, and it soon became 'a thing'.
While this is ostensibly a good thing, what I found troubling was the attitude of the parents. I realize now that it is simply "virtue-signalling". Many families would display their one or two older biological (lily-white) kids, and then preen over their newest Vietnamese or Korean or Chinese addition.It was very similar to showing off a new car, or brag of a new job, or a new pet.
I certainly do not object to adoption. My only critique is one of a 'charity begins at home' variety - please adopt an American child first, THEN go abroad. That, and quit the virtue signalling.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt, loving the Cubs even though they are WINNERS at February 02, 2017 06:50 PM (8iiMU)
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About that Leftist Fantasy Military Coup?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/h6twwap
I think I know where these guys stand.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/h6twwap
I think I know where these guys stand.
Posted by: rd at February 02, 2017 06:51 PM (iT57s)
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Totally disagree.
They're like we've said about "moderate Muslims:" Moderate lefties just want the radical lefties to do all the looting and shooting for them. They're totally on board with the idea though.
Yes there might be a rare few exceptions. But not many.
Posted by: Country Boy
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There is an elderly widow in the neighborhood for whom I hold great affection. I knew and respected her husband, who was a no-bullshit clinical psychologist. He called out bad behavior by its name and was constantly critical of contemporary parents and adults.
Well, he died a couple of years ago, and I have been helpful to her whenever she has asked or needed some helping hand with her house, car, or financial matters.
A week or two ago I stopped by, and she proudly pointed out the safety pin she was wearing on her lapel.
What to say? I just shrugged it off, because I know her to have a heart of gold, and that she is someone who unselfishly contributes all that she can to the community.
She is, however, emblematic of those who are in fact good people, and yet, have been seduced by the media and popular culture.
They're like we've said about "moderate Muslims:" Moderate lefties just want the radical lefties to do all the looting and shooting for them. They're totally on board with the idea though.
Yes there might be a rare few exceptions. But not many.
Posted by: Country Boy
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There is an elderly widow in the neighborhood for whom I hold great affection. I knew and respected her husband, who was a no-bullshit clinical psychologist. He called out bad behavior by its name and was constantly critical of contemporary parents and adults.
Well, he died a couple of years ago, and I have been helpful to her whenever she has asked or needed some helping hand with her house, car, or financial matters.
A week or two ago I stopped by, and she proudly pointed out the safety pin she was wearing on her lapel.
What to say? I just shrugged it off, because I know her to have a heart of gold, and that she is someone who unselfishly contributes all that she can to the community.
She is, however, emblematic of those who are in fact good people, and yet, have been seduced by the media and popular culture.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2017 06:51 PM (ZO497)
Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2017 06:51 PM (NLmyj)
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218 172 Spoiler Alert: The Left's religion is Satanism.
Good gravy, that's a reductio ad absurdum.
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200 million deaths and counting....
Good gravy, that's a reductio ad absurdum.
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200 million deaths and counting....
Posted by: Mega at February 02, 2017 06:52 PM (EdXI9)
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"Narratives are easily manipulated.
500 angry students are different than 5000 angry students, which is different than 400 students and 100 paid agitators."
It's astro-turfed.
Much easier to do out of a college campus, because you can get more to tag along, and then even more who rather hang out for a rush than work on that paper due in three days.
500 angry students are different than 5000 angry students, which is different than 400 students and 100 paid agitators."
It's astro-turfed.
Much easier to do out of a college campus, because you can get more to tag along, and then even more who rather hang out for a rush than work on that paper due in three days.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 06:52 PM (SIY7D)
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I wouldn't say Satanism, more just Godly less.
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As a thought exercise, what would the average America of say 1817 call an ideology that believed:
1) Killing babies is good
2) Christianity is the source of most of the world's problems
3) Homosexuality is natural and should be celebrated
4) Jerusalem should be cleansed of Jews, and probably Christians too
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As a thought exercise, what would the average America of say 1817 call an ideology that believed:
1) Killing babies is good
2) Christianity is the source of most of the world's problems
3) Homosexuality is natural and should be celebrated
4) Jerusalem should be cleansed of Jews, and probably Christians too
Posted by: 18-1 at February 02, 2017 06:52 PM (aZq03)
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someone should ask, How does Donald J. Trump Starfish taste?
Posted by: EVLINC! at February 02, 2017 06:44 PM (y3aQB)
Like LITERALLY STARFISH HITLER!!1!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzeU7CiIq3Q
Posted by: EVLINC! at February 02, 2017 06:44 PM (y3aQB)
Like LITERALLY STARFISH HITLER!!1!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzeU7CiIq3Q
Posted by: EVERYONE IS HITLER at February 02, 2017 06:53 PM (OzJeO)
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Latest idiot spout from journalism?
Donald Trump changed the name of "Black History Month" to just "History Month"
Oh wait, no he didn't that was just a dumbass rumor. And yet again, the third time today, a journalist has to back down and retract what they wrote. This is getting just tedious.
Donald Trump changed the name of "Black History Month" to just "History Month"
Oh wait, no he didn't that was just a dumbass rumor. And yet again, the third time today, a journalist has to back down and retract what they wrote. This is getting just tedious.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:53 PM (39g3+)
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Much easier to do out of a college campus, because you can get more to tag along, and then even more who rather hang out for a rush than work on that paper due in three days.
Plus those cute girls/boys you want to impress will be there! You can hook up afterward and reminisce about how you Smashed the System and Made a Difference in the afterglow
Plus those cute girls/boys you want to impress will be there! You can hook up afterward and reminisce about how you Smashed the System and Made a Difference in the afterglow
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:55 PM (39g3+)
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Utopia is actually a joke. It's greek for "no place." It doesn't exist, or rather it only exists in the minds of marxists and their cohorts.
Nah. It's on the Ohio River, a bit east of Cincinnati. Utopia, OH.
Back in the late 1800s, it was a commune, and its founder is still "credited" with "innovations" in running fantasy societies. But the cult couldn't survive disasters that were barely set backs for the nearby free towns -- Moscow (ironically) and New Richmond -- and now it's just a few homes, a bunch of trailers, and the long-abandoned foundations of the cult's buildings.
Nah. It's on the Ohio River, a bit east of Cincinnati. Utopia, OH.
Back in the late 1800s, it was a commune, and its founder is still "credited" with "innovations" in running fantasy societies. But the cult couldn't survive disasters that were barely set backs for the nearby free towns -- Moscow (ironically) and New Richmond -- and now it's just a few homes, a bunch of trailers, and the long-abandoned foundations of the cult's buildings.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at February 02, 2017 06:56 PM (fVubI)
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I wonder if this fool ever gets tired of being wrong?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (39g3+)
He's just a troll.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:39 PM (39g3+)
He's just a troll.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 02, 2017 06:57 PM (USVq/)
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I think some on the left are Satanist. All of this" spirit cooking"with the suggestion of pedophilia sounds pretty Satanic to me . Then are the jokers who like to dress up and poke their fingers in the eyes of Christians, when they think of Satan as the "deity" of permissiveness. In fact, they may not even believe in a deity, but I think some of them already belong to him without knowing it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 06:58 PM (fDdVG)
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The only thing weirder than the Cult of Obama is the insistence by the left that it didn't happen. Mention it to them and they deny it outright or say that they don't recall it.
Yep, its sort of disconcerting to see how totally easy it is for them too. No we didn't! Never happened! The press was hard on him!
After you flood them with evidence and proof, with dozens of images and video, all the outrageously over the top comments and statements, behavior and cultish activity... they say "Trump is a huge narcissist, look at how people act around him!"
There's no room for "wow you're right, maybe I should think about this." Its just zealotry. Judaism and Christianity at least encourage and welcome debate and questioning. Not so the left.
Yep, its sort of disconcerting to see how totally easy it is for them too. No we didn't! Never happened! The press was hard on him!
After you flood them with evidence and proof, with dozens of images and video, all the outrageously over the top comments and statements, behavior and cultish activity... they say "Trump is a huge narcissist, look at how people act around him!"
There's no room for "wow you're right, maybe I should think about this." Its just zealotry. Judaism and Christianity at least encourage and welcome debate and questioning. Not so the left.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 06:59 PM (39g3+)
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And what has been the end result of all this Empiricism, Science, and Reason?
Genocide and global war, with perhaps up to a billion dead when you add everything up. Mid-nine-figures, at least.
Fuck the Enlightenment. Fuck Modernity.
Bullshit, Masturbatin' Pete. The problem isn't with reason and science, but with the people who have made their trappings a cult. Marx claimed he had the "science of history" -- and founded the cult you condemn. The environmentalists claim to have "science" on their side, but can't even abide by the basics of scientific method.
Genocide and global war, with perhaps up to a billion dead when you add everything up. Mid-nine-figures, at least.
Fuck the Enlightenment. Fuck Modernity.
Bullshit, Masturbatin' Pete. The problem isn't with reason and science, but with the people who have made their trappings a cult. Marx claimed he had the "science of history" -- and founded the cult you condemn. The environmentalists claim to have "science" on their side, but can't even abide by the basics of scientific method.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at February 02, 2017 06:59 PM (fVubI)
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Nah. It's on the Ohio River, a bit east of Cincinnati. Utopia, OH.
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Were they refugees of New Harmony, IN?
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Were they refugees of New Harmony, IN?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2017 07:00 PM (ZO497)
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The Stand 2017 : My life for you Hillary!!! 'The suckle.' They want to be on Hillary's tit! And then all would be ok with the world. Sorry for the imagery, but it damn sure seems that's what their sickness boils down to.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 02, 2017 07:01 PM (ve0bY)
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Back in the late 1800s, it was a commune, and its founder is still "credited" with "innovations" in running fantasy societies.
Yeah quite a few of those showed up in the mid to late 1800s. Some of them did quite well and are still around, most vanished and are forgotten. A few sects like Seventh Day Adventism and Dispensationalism formed in Christianity that are still around, too.
Yeah quite a few of those showed up in the mid to late 1800s. Some of them did quite well and are still around, most vanished and are forgotten. A few sects like Seventh Day Adventism and Dispensationalism formed in Christianity that are still around, too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 07:01 PM (39g3+)
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So this is the tale of our refugees
they're here for a long long time
They'll have to make the best of things
its an uphill climb
so join us here each week my friends
you're sure to get a smile
from twelve hundred stranded refugees
Here on Turnbull's Isle
they're here for a long long time
They'll have to make the best of things
its an uphill climb
so join us here each week my friends
you're sure to get a smile
from twelve hundred stranded refugees
Here on Turnbull's Isle
Posted by: wth at February 02, 2017 07:02 PM (HgMAr)
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The problem isn't with reason and science, but with the people who have made their trappings a cult.
Science is just a tool, its one way of examining things. Its excellent in its place, but easily abused and goes particularly wrong when applied out of its place. Nazis were big on science, but they applied what they thought was scientific method to all sorts of nonscientific areas.
The biggest danger with technology and advancement is the one I tried to advance in Life Unworthy: the reach of one man's hand. Each step in technology brings great things, but also great evil. And each step makes it easier to do greater harm to a larger number of people with less and less effort.
Science is just a tool, its one way of examining things. Its excellent in its place, but easily abused and goes particularly wrong when applied out of its place. Nazis were big on science, but they applied what they thought was scientific method to all sorts of nonscientific areas.
The biggest danger with technology and advancement is the one I tried to advance in Life Unworthy: the reach of one man's hand. Each step in technology brings great things, but also great evil. And each step makes it easier to do greater harm to a larger number of people with less and less effort.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 02, 2017 07:03 PM (39g3+)
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See Also - Roosevelt's failed communal farms. There were many of them, more than anyone recalls:
http://tinyurl.com/hc6ro8p
http://tinyurl.com/hc6ro8p
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2017 07:03 PM (ZO497)
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What was that thing that Andrew Breitbart said? Oh, yeah: WAR
Posted by: starboardhelm at February 02, 2017 07:07 PM (hOtJL)
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Yes, the cult of personality around Obama in 2008 was blatant, thoroughly un-American, and downright frightening.
The left has done that at least since Clinton. Their candidate is always the smartest, most charming, most handsome -- and their opponent is always Literally Hitler.
It's Fuhrerprinzip. Their people have to be the smartest, best, nearly angels, because they're intent on giving them total power over their lives.
The left has done that at least since Clinton. Their candidate is always the smartest, most charming, most handsome -- and their opponent is always Literally Hitler.
It's Fuhrerprinzip. Their people have to be the smartest, best, nearly angels, because they're intent on giving them total power over their lives.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at February 02, 2017 07:09 PM (fVubI)
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the left became unhinged during Booosh, They went on cult steroids with Obama, everyone remembers the songs and missives from schools , teachers encouraging the children to adore the vaunted one messiahish halod ass the media cropwned while tingling in their pantalones/
anyway this has been a long hall, they thought the election in the bag, they PAID to win they used everything fraud lies, propaganda Hollywood .media and still lost
now they have truly lost their minds and I cannot bring myself to like anything about them at this point.
they menace society I hope they all seceded or move to Canada.
soon
anyway this has been a long hall, they thought the election in the bag, they PAID to win they used everything fraud lies, propaganda Hollywood .media and still lost
now they have truly lost their minds and I cannot bring myself to like anything about them at this point.
they menace society I hope they all seceded or move to Canada.
soon
Posted by: willow at February 02, 2017 07:11 PM (R7cwD)
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They were never separated to begin with, as long as you take Christianity to mean Protestantism.
You've got it backwards. Protestantism is a variety of Christianity.
You've got it backwards. Protestantism is a variety of Christianity.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at February 02, 2017 07:11 PM (fVubI)
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The only caveat to all of that being - one side in this owns all the guns.
And it ain't the side that's starting the fight. It's the side that will ultimately END the fight.
The progressive zealots would do well to think long and hard about that fact.
They should also think long and hard about the fact that, if that isn't enough to dissuade them, when it's all over, they'll be quite luck indeed, if the government that remains is ostensibly the same as we have now, rather than quite a bit more hostile to progressive ideals than it is now. I suspect a lot more things would be clearly spelled out in the aftermath that would harshly restrict the nonsense they pull today.
And it ain't the side that's starting the fight. It's the side that will ultimately END the fight.
The progressive zealots would do well to think long and hard about that fact.
They should also think long and hard about the fact that, if that isn't enough to dissuade them, when it's all over, they'll be quite luck indeed, if the government that remains is ostensibly the same as we have now, rather than quite a bit more hostile to progressive ideals than it is now. I suspect a lot more things would be clearly spelled out in the aftermath that would harshly restrict the nonsense they pull today.
Posted by: deadrody at February 02, 2017 07:12 PM (vJOFB)
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>>> My bet is turns out to be something minor. The final snowflake that causes the avalanche. It will be like Trump getting elected. The establishment will look bewildered as things spirl out of control. Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 02, 2017 06:34 PM (J70i0)
Some snowflake protestor got the bright idea, while on camera, that they should be breaking into white people's homes en masse and robbing them instead of burning down their own neighborhoods.
Yes, sweetie, you do that. And accidentally kill a bunch of innocent kids while you are at it. See how that turns out for you.
Some snowflake protestor got the bright idea, while on camera, that they should be breaking into white people's homes en masse and robbing them instead of burning down their own neighborhoods.
Yes, sweetie, you do that. And accidentally kill a bunch of innocent kids while you are at it. See how that turns out for you.
Posted by: LizLem at February 02, 2017 07:13 PM (hvf9s)
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and one would think they could recognize a govt a HUGE govt they grew to step on the rest of us could be as dangerous to them.
i'm sure they only 'get' that when they lose though.
i'm sure they only 'get' that when they lose though.
Posted by: willow at February 02, 2017 07:13 PM (R7cwD)
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Posted by: LizLem at February 02, 2017 07:13 PM (hvf9s)
That women is teacher. i don't know where it was evert determined where she taught.
That women is teacher. i don't know where it was evert determined where she taught.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2017 07:17 PM (fDdVG)
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This is sooooo spot on. These zealots have rejected God, everything about God, and have made their ideology their god. Their distorted perception of their own reality projected on the world around them makes it virtually impossible for them to deal with actual REALITY.
Posted by: Sojourner at February 02, 2017 07:17 PM (0Zwx2)
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"What was that thing that Andrew Breitbart said? Oh, yeah: WAR"
I don't think that he meant the bloody kind some here are fantasizing about.
I don't think that he meant the bloody kind some here are fantasizing about.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 07:19 PM (SIY7D)
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We have arrived at that time of our life where we wish to enjoy the fruits of our labors WITHOUT interference.
Just let us live out what remains, comfortably as we've planned to do. Not interested in picking up the weapons again and going forth to do battle.
Shove me hard enough, though and that WILL happen. Just not convinced that it's inevitable, the left does not have the sack to do it on the scale necessary for them to triumph.
We have arrived at that time of our life where we wish to enjoy the fruits of our labors WITHOUT interference.
Just let us live out what remains, comfortably as we've planned to do. Not interested in picking up the weapons again and going forth to do battle.
Shove me hard enough, though and that WILL happen. Just not convinced that it's inevitable, the left does not have the sack to do it on the scale necessary for them to triumph.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 02, 2017 07:19 PM (X35Yt)
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Politically I want nothing to do with people that think this way. 100 million or more fellow Americans are not the enemy.
We're nowhere close to having the mix of elements for a Civil War.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 06:42 PM (SIY7D)
That's fine. Step aside then.
Politically I want nothing to do with people that think this way. 100 million or more fellow Americans are not the enemy.
We're nowhere close to having the mix of elements for a Civil War.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 06:42 PM (SIY7D)
That's fine. Step aside then.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 02, 2017 07:27 PM (uAkpP)
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399 Some snowflake protestor got the bright idea, while on camera, that they should be breaking into white people's homes en masse and robbing them instead of burning down their own neighborhoods.
Yes, sweetie, you do that. And accidentally kill a bunch of innocent kids while you are at it. See how that turns out for you.
I think the result will more likely be "dead sweetie(s)."
Yes, sweetie, you do that. And accidentally kill a bunch of innocent kids while you are at it. See how that turns out for you.
I think the result will more likely be "dead sweetie(s)."
Posted by: S at February 02, 2017 07:33 PM (0Su3S)
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2017 07:36 PM (SIY7D)
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If a thing is sacralized, that means you are bound by conscience and God Himself to fight for that. If an enemy is demonized, your are bound to slay that demon.
Christianity recognizes that the demon to be slain is spiritual. It's a spiritual battle, with the demon exercising its powers through temporal means. Killing the advocates of the demon does not affect the demon at all: so long as humankind exist, the demon will have the means to his power.
We Christians look to the Lord Jesus Christ for the spiritual victory over the demon, and that is the only victory that matters.
Christianity recognizes that the demon to be slain is spiritual. It's a spiritual battle, with the demon exercising its powers through temporal means. Killing the advocates of the demon does not affect the demon at all: so long as humankind exist, the demon will have the means to his power.
We Christians look to the Lord Jesus Christ for the spiritual victory over the demon, and that is the only victory that matters.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at February 02, 2017 07:40 PM (o7l6R)
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Clever people getting paid money to say clever things. Minimally viable politics is an analogy to software /product development in a lean or agile fashion. A minimally viable product does just enough to get people to use it and catch on, and fund future developments and operations.
As with all analogies, you get feature creep. One, people want more. Two, the people who make stuff want to keep getting paid to make stuff. So, new features. Is Word 2016 better than Word 2013 better than 2010 better than 2007 etc etc etc?
That's why there are paradigm breakers who are disruptive over time, you get some bloated thing with lots of features which have many individual adherents, but clog things up for the main body of users. So what they end up doing is hiding all the small constituent features off in the margins
That's kind of where we are with politics. You never roll back feature sets. You go with a new product.
As with all analogies, you get feature creep. One, people want more. Two, the people who make stuff want to keep getting paid to make stuff. So, new features. Is Word 2016 better than Word 2013 better than 2010 better than 2007 etc etc etc?
That's why there are paradigm breakers who are disruptive over time, you get some bloated thing with lots of features which have many individual adherents, but clog things up for the main body of users. So what they end up doing is hiding all the small constituent features off in the margins
That's kind of where we are with politics. You never roll back feature sets. You go with a new product.
Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2017 07:49 PM (HV1LS)
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First they called me a biggot
but I did not speak out because I was not a biggot
Then they called me a homophobe
but I did not speak out because I was not a homophobe
Then they called me a racist
but I did not speak out because I was not a racist
Then they called me a nazi
But I did not speak out because I was not a nazi
Then they told me Hillary was going to rule over me
And I spoke with my vote
but I did not speak out because I was not a biggot
Then they called me a homophobe
but I did not speak out because I was not a homophobe
Then they called me a racist
but I did not speak out because I was not a racist
Then they called me a nazi
But I did not speak out because I was not a nazi
Then they told me Hillary was going to rule over me
And I spoke with my vote
Posted by: BFD at February 02, 2017 07:49 PM (mLimQ)
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And as usual, they will be covered sympathetically by the media. Perhaps by history as well.
Got into an argument with a liberal acquaintance on FB. It started with me asking questions about the subject, which further exposed his faulty thinking. Without going into particulars, his defense of the subject (how media affects rape culture) was that "we aren't cavemen, who cannot control desires, so we have to reject rape culture" but then "we are victim to the media. We can't control how the media affects our subconscious."
This humanist (progressive) movement will not gain ground in my opinion because 1. They are not unified except by opposition to individuals. And 2. they have a big dichotomy in how to define what it means to be human. You can't be human sometimes and "super human" other times. You can't be "given to whims and desires" sometimes and in total mind control other times. People are inherently sinful - or selfish - by nature. We want what makes us feel good, because life is painful. Sometimes that doesn't harm others...other times, Rape. Murder. Revenge. Jealousy.
Got into an argument with a liberal acquaintance on FB. It started with me asking questions about the subject, which further exposed his faulty thinking. Without going into particulars, his defense of the subject (how media affects rape culture) was that "we aren't cavemen, who cannot control desires, so we have to reject rape culture" but then "we are victim to the media. We can't control how the media affects our subconscious."
This humanist (progressive) movement will not gain ground in my opinion because 1. They are not unified except by opposition to individuals. And 2. they have a big dichotomy in how to define what it means to be human. You can't be human sometimes and "super human" other times. You can't be "given to whims and desires" sometimes and in total mind control other times. People are inherently sinful - or selfish - by nature. We want what makes us feel good, because life is painful. Sometimes that doesn't harm others...other times, Rape. Murder. Revenge. Jealousy.
Posted by: H at February 02, 2017 07:54 PM (wUUPa)
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Excellent piece Ace. Truly excellent and thoughtful and right on target.
Posted by: Syracuse1989 at February 02, 2017 07:58 PM (DAnVX)
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I mean, I sympathize with the feeling of "We are trapped in these squishy bodies and ruined world and wish to escape them both, some day." But thinking your way out of that isn't the answer. I think they all live in their heads. Life isn't so bad, really. I personally look forward with great anticipation to the Kingdom of God. I pray that you all as well get a glimpse of glory during your time on earth and have that hope to cling to during your trials. Prepare for persecution.
Posted by: H at February 02, 2017 08:00 PM (wUUPa)
Posted by: Shoey at February 02, 2017 08:08 PM (OYK2S)
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Great post Ace.
Posted by: Radar at February 02, 2017 08:12 PM (b6jcm)
416
The only people from the left who are fighting are the mercenaries. When the mercenaries are jailed there will be no more physical fighting.
Posted by: gNewt at February 02, 2017 08:15 PM (NPutB)
417
The one way trip to Mars is starting to look attractive.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 02, 2017 08:42 PM (FtrY1)
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"The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind" Le Bon
that was used by Hitler and Mussolini ... mass psychology, how to incite a mob.
But the 100 or so black masked thugs at Berzerkley were probably paid. The question is why was there only one arrest? There were plenty of reporters, filming guys starting the fires, throwing the barricade against the windows. Arrest 25 and find out who funded them, and either arrest them, or go RICO on their ass. (maybe several RICO investigations have begun, now that the left lost control) Milo funded extra security (not by choice) ... seems that should have gotten two dozen cops there ... or do they just pocket that money?
But the hate by celebrity figures and politicians gets some nuts activated without having to pay them. But that might work both ways.
that was used by Hitler and Mussolini ... mass psychology, how to incite a mob.
But the 100 or so black masked thugs at Berzerkley were probably paid. The question is why was there only one arrest? There were plenty of reporters, filming guys starting the fires, throwing the barricade against the windows. Arrest 25 and find out who funded them, and either arrest them, or go RICO on their ass. (maybe several RICO investigations have begun, now that the left lost control) Milo funded extra security (not by choice) ... seems that should have gotten two dozen cops there ... or do they just pocket that money?
But the hate by celebrity figures and politicians gets some nuts activated without having to pay them. But that might work both ways.
Posted by: illiniwek at February 02, 2017 08:53 PM (X0ibR)
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Fucking brilliant post, Ace.
I've considered myself a classical liberal ever since I learned what the term meant. It's really a crying shame how the leftists perverted that term.
I've never really felt at home in the Republican party, but I've always felt compelled to vote for them...in my worldview, economic liberalism (the classical version) was and is such a high priority that I was obligated to hold my nose and vote for them. They certainly aren't economic liberals (the good kind), but they're at least a check on the progressives (or being honest, leftists).
In return for my support, they've been crony bureaucratic capitalists, which is in some ways worse than pure socialism - because there's the false promise of freedom. At least in a socialist system, we'd know where we stand! ( I'll take my chances though)
Authoritarian right wing politics aren't the answer either, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.
When Obama was elected (and Franken stole the 60th Senate seat), I thought it was over. I thought they'd get their hooks in Healthcare, and we'd become France.
Then, two miracles happened: 1) Scott Brown got elected, and 2) the Democrats fucked up their golden chance. They could have run the table, and given the people so much bread and circuses that they'd never lose again. Somehow they pissed it away.
I don't know where we go from here, but hopefully the current Trump/Republican coalition ( because they're not the same thing) can 1) reduce corporate taxes 2) not become isolationists on trade 3) massively increase employment 4) start to build a bridge to minorities without pandering.
I've considered myself a classical liberal ever since I learned what the term meant. It's really a crying shame how the leftists perverted that term.
I've never really felt at home in the Republican party, but I've always felt compelled to vote for them...in my worldview, economic liberalism (the classical version) was and is such a high priority that I was obligated to hold my nose and vote for them. They certainly aren't economic liberals (the good kind), but they're at least a check on the progressives (or being honest, leftists).
In return for my support, they've been crony bureaucratic capitalists, which is in some ways worse than pure socialism - because there's the false promise of freedom. At least in a socialist system, we'd know where we stand! ( I'll take my chances though)
Authoritarian right wing politics aren't the answer either, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.
When Obama was elected (and Franken stole the 60th Senate seat), I thought it was over. I thought they'd get their hooks in Healthcare, and we'd become France.
Then, two miracles happened: 1) Scott Brown got elected, and 2) the Democrats fucked up their golden chance. They could have run the table, and given the people so much bread and circuses that they'd never lose again. Somehow they pissed it away.
I don't know where we go from here, but hopefully the current Trump/Republican coalition ( because they're not the same thing) can 1) reduce corporate taxes 2) not become isolationists on trade 3) massively increase employment 4) start to build a bridge to minorities without pandering.
Posted by: random at February 02, 2017 08:54 PM (CtRHK)
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122
"It won't end well. It will end, eventually. But not well, and not
without many, many casualties, of both the guilty and innocent kind"
There's always some chance that we get the Bloody Civil War that some here seem to crave, or at least fantasize.
With Trump's election, the odds have gone down IMO from slim and are now closer to none, at least in the near-term.
Something like 65 million voted for Hillary, but out of that I'd say
only five to ten million are hard core crazy. Unfortunately too many
have key positions in The Borg. There's a relatively small number who do
the public agitating we saw last night in Berkeley. And there's only
so many washed-up celebs like Sarah Silverman who are desperate to
remain Relevant.
So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world
3 deaths at a protest. and not the protestors, 3 cops die, and it will be bad.
it will escalate
and then get real bad.
and then get good again.
"It won't end well. It will end, eventually. But not well, and not
without many, many casualties, of both the guilty and innocent kind"
There's always some chance that we get the Bloody Civil War that some here seem to crave, or at least fantasize.
With Trump's election, the odds have gone down IMO from slim and are now closer to none, at least in the near-term.
Something like 65 million voted for Hillary, but out of that I'd say
only five to ten million are hard core crazy. Unfortunately too many
have key positions in The Borg. There's a relatively small number who do
the public agitating we saw last night in Berkeley. And there's only
so many washed-up celebs like Sarah Silverman who are desperate to
remain Relevant.
So, can anyone give a realistic scenario about how Ace's bloody fantasy would actually start and play out? In the real world
3 deaths at a protest. and not the protestors, 3 cops die, and it will be bad.
it will escalate
and then get real bad.
and then get good again.
Posted by: fox at February 02, 2017 09:11 PM (kENHD)
421
2017 a year we won't soon forget. If we live through it.
Posted by: Simplemind at February 02, 2017 09:13 PM (ZuGkg)
422
Ace,
You should print all your shit out and put it in a vault somewhere, so that in the year 2491 the dwindling survivors of the post-apocalyptic dystopia can peruse your scribblings and revere you as a prophet.
You should print all your shit out and put it in a vault somewhere, so that in the year 2491 the dwindling survivors of the post-apocalyptic dystopia can peruse your scribblings and revere you as a prophet.
Posted by: Zon Toro at February 02, 2017 09:31 PM (82s/V)
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Brilliant, as have been most eulogies for the Republic I've read in recent days. In times past, with the notable exception of the previous hot civil war, generally someone from the "right" would step forward and cool things down. The reason it came from that direction is the "right" believed in institutions that bound us together.
The middle to the right won't be making that concession this time because to do so would be to surrender all autonomy. The left-wing is incapable to make such a gesture because, as the piece quoted suggests, to do so would be heresy.
It won't end well at all, but it surely will end. The American Left is about to reap a whirlwind powered by tens of furies they created and don't even realize exist.
The middle to the right won't be making that concession this time because to do so would be to surrender all autonomy. The left-wing is incapable to make such a gesture because, as the piece quoted suggests, to do so would be heresy.
It won't end well at all, but it surely will end. The American Left is about to reap a whirlwind powered by tens of furies they created and don't even realize exist.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 02, 2017 11:26 PM (RWYt3)
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I have not the capabilities to inscribe the concentrated words that are thoughtfully poured upon this page.
I'm saving this one.
I'm saving this one.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at February 03, 2017 12:28 AM (6gk0M)
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The Leftists never grasp, or admit, or even THINK ABOUT, the fact that their evil side will be in Power every bit as much as their half-assed, morally vain "good" side.
And Evil loves Power, yes it does. Especially when it can cloak its sins with self-righteousness.
Christians and Jews know about Original Sin: we are all capable of doing evil, and we should know it and not presume to think we can be without flaw.
And Evil loves Power, yes it does. Especially when it can cloak its sins with self-righteousness.
Christians and Jews know about Original Sin: we are all capable of doing evil, and we should know it and not presume to think we can be without flaw.
Posted by: Beverly at February 03, 2017 02:57 AM (HRUrF)
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Minor objection: the Vendee was not a counter-revolution (except in self defense). It was a genocide committed by the French Revolutionaries. They demanded that Catholics swear *religious* fealty to the revolutionary government, the Catholics said no, and the revolutionaries exterminated them.
Posted by: joe at February 03, 2017 09:16 AM (timOb)
427
Great article, Ace. Well done.
Posted by: The Hot Gates at February 03, 2017 09:38 AM (k3uSs)
428
Excellent article, first rate analysis.
Thank YOU Ace.
Funny how the libs/progressives constantly rail against the majority of deplorables as stupid rubes, yet THEY are the ones so ignorant of history as to be unable to connect the dots to where this ultimately leads, no?
Historically illiterate idiots and spoiled brats, all.
MAGA!
Thank YOU Ace.
Funny how the libs/progressives constantly rail against the majority of deplorables as stupid rubes, yet THEY are the ones so ignorant of history as to be unable to connect the dots to where this ultimately leads, no?
Historically illiterate idiots and spoiled brats, all.
MAGA!
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Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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