The Left Birthed Identity Politics, and Now Their Wretched Child Has Stabbed Them in the Back

The New York Times last week permitted a professor to question the Democrats' fixation on "identity liberalism," arguing that the fixation on division by race, gender, and orientation was a recipe for political failure.

[H]ow should [America's increasing] diversity shape our politics? The standard liberal answer for nearly a generation now has been that we should become aware of and "celebrate" our differences. Which is a splendid principle of moral pedagogy --but disastrous as a foundation for democratic politics in our ideological age. In recent years American liberalism has slipped into a kind of moral panic about racial, gender and sexual identity that has distorted liberalism's message and prevented it from becoming a unifying force capable of governing.
One of the many lessons of the recent presidential election campaign and its repugnant outcome is that the age of identity liberalism must be brought to an end. Hillary Clinton was at her best and most uplifting when she spoke about American interests in world affairs and how they relate to our understanding of democracy. But when it came to life at home, she tended on the campaign trail to lose that large vision and slip into the rhetoric of diversity, calling out explicitly to African-American, Latino, L.G.B.T. and women voters at every stop. This was a strategic mistake. If you are going to mention groups in America, you had better mention all of them. If you don't, those left out will notice and feel excluded. Which, as the data show, was exactly what happened with the white working class and those with strong religious convictions. Fully two-thirds of white voters without college degrees voted for Donald Trump, as did over 80 percent of white evangelicals...
[T]he fixation on diversity in our schools and in the press has produced a generation of liberals and progressives narcissistically unaware of conditions outside their self-defined groups, and indifferent to the task of reaching out to Americans in every walk of life. At a very young age our children are being encouraged to talk about their individual identities, even before they have them. By the time they reach college many assume that diversity discourse exhausts political discourse, and have shockingly little to say about such perennial questions as class, war, the economy and the common good. In large part this is because of high school history curriculums, which anachronistically project the identity politics of today back onto the past, creating a distorted picture of the major forces and individuals that shaped our country. (The achievements of women's rights movements, for instance, were real and important, but you cannot understand them if you do not first understand the founding fathers' achievement in establishing a system of government based on the guarantee of rights.)
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This campus-diversity consciousness has over the years filtered into the liberal media, and not subtly.... [It] appears to have encouraged the assumption, especially among younger journalists and editors, that simply by focusing on identity they have done their jobs.

It's worth reading in full. He goes on to discuss the media's "newfound anthropological interest" in the long-disparaged figure of the "angry white male."

Rich Lowry discussed that article and the cult of identity politics generally.

Mark Lilla, a professor at Columbia and highly respected intellectual historian, wrote that "American liberalism has slipped into a kind of moral panic about racial, gender, and sexual identity that has distorted liberalism's message and prevented it from becoming a unifying force capable of governing."
His piece [the one quoted directly above] itself occasioned a moral panic, focused overwhelmingly on how Lilla is, in fact, himself a white male. His op-ed was denounced from the left as "the whitest thing I've ever read," and part of an "unconscionable" assault on "the very people who just put the most energy into defeating Trumpism, coming from those who will be made least vulnerable by Trump's ascension."
Most reprehensibly and sophomorically, a Columbia colleague, Katherine Franke, accused Lilla of promoting a "liberalism of white supremacy" (and, for good measure, of "mansplaining"). One wonders if Franke has any conception of words and arguments as a means to persuade rather than to excoriate and shut down debate, or any inkling of her own self-satisfied intolerance.

Ah, I see. We're now just using "White" as a general derogatory term. Apparently the goal of the Social Justice Warriors is not to show respect for all people, but simply to swap out one Out-Group deemed socially acceptable to casually denigrate for another Out-Group who really deserves such treatment. (More on that later.)

Reason, Robby Soave argues that Democrat identity politics spurred those outside the permitted identity politics coalitions to form their own.

After noting that one of Hillary's minority-outreach staffers called Bernie Sanders a white supremacist for saying that you can't just play identity politics and expect to win, Soave writes:

This baseless accusation is emblematic of a specific problem for Democrats who, having successfully galvanized certain segments of the population into identity-based political coalitions, lost the presidential election because the people outside this group--working-class whites-f-ormed a coalition of their own.
The Democratic Party has itself to blame, of course: you can't cheer for white men to go extinct and then be surprised when they desert your candidate. Or, as Spiked magazine's Brendan O'Neill put it, liberals essentially did the following:

"You are a white man. Your whiteness defines you. Everything you think is because you're white, everything you say is because you're white. Don't try to be post-white. Don't try to be colourblind. Don't say you are 'over race'. You're white, own it and deal with it."
"Really? Oh. Okay. I identify as white."
"FASCIST!"
His point is we shouldn't be surprised to see people vote in keeping with the ill-defined interests of their designated identity group: that's the game the Lena Dunham Left has been playing with increasing fervency for years.

So: Can the left jettison identity politics?

I don't think so. Identity politics is the whole of leftism now. They have nothing else. They have no other brand, except for this.

Hatred is the central component of the alleged Anti-Hatred Coalition.

Identity politics is in fact racism. And the dirty little secret about racism is that it's popular (in some quarters) for a reason: It makes one feel better about oneself for no particularly good or logical reason. People with little achievement in their accounts may pat themselves on the back for the simple happenstance of belonging to an allegedly superior race, feeling a swell of unwarranted pride of not being among the supposedly inferior races.

But note the constant bleat from the identity politics warriors that all other races/genders/etc. than their own are inferior. They're constantly insulting, for example, men as rapists (or rape-enablers).

They're constantly insulting whites as secretly longing for pogroms.

Think about it: If these sorts of slurs were hurled at any other group -- the claim that certain people are born criminals and born wicked due to their race -- would we acknowledge it as racism?

Would we call it sexism if we said something like "Women, by virtue of their gender, cannot help but make false claims of rape to elevate their social standing"?

Of course we would.

But when this sort of racism/sexism is perpetrated by Favored Groups expressly permitted to indulge its inner hatefulness, the media and the mediating institutions of government, law, academia, etc. just (condescendingly) wink at it.

I long ago observed that Anti-Americanism is the way Europeans demonstrate their nationalism. Europeans have been taught by decades of leftist swill (as well as a pair of world wars that weren't so much fun) that nationalism is a scourge.

And yet Europeans are as patriotic/chauvinistic as any other people on earth.

How then to express one's nationalistic impulses while also paying lip-service to the bromide that nationalism is bad?

Simple -- merely sneer that "Those stupid Americans are sooo nationalistic."

Note that this is a passive-aggressive boast-- and a rather ugly one. Rather than going the traditional route and throwing praise on oneself by declaring "My nation is the best," or "USA! USA!," they get at the same notion crab-wise and cowardly by merely implying it.

If the Americans -- until recently, the top dogs in the world -- are so stupid, uncultured, boorish, and nationalist, what do you think that makes French or British or German people making this observation?

Well it makes them better, of course -- they're better, because they don't have this backwards, ugly nationalism the Americans have.

They express their nationalism by professing their strident opposition to nationalism, then finding other nations (America in particular) to be bankrupt in this area.

The people accusing all whites of racism are racist in the same way. They've declared that the anti-racist impulse is the most important moral impulse there is; and they find that whites -- almost all of them -- are deficient in anti-racism impulse, and therefore are immoral and inferior human beings.

Intellectually inferior too, of course, because they're so ignorant as to not be able to see their own racism, their own "privilege."

Once again, we get to the crabwise, cowardly pronouncement that one's own race is superior not by openly declaring it to be such, but by implying it by choosing other races to put down and thus, by inevitable logic -- if B is inferior to A, A must be superior to B -- suggesting one's own race is superior.

Feminine Supremacists do the same thing -- they plainly do not believe the sexes to be equal, and they're increasingly bold about saying so. They suggest that feminism is the highest morality, and guess what group is singularly ill-equipped in that moral priority? Why, men of course.

Note that they're not saying women are superior per se -- but when you've only got two sexes (until recently), and one of those two is marked inferior by inescapable encoding in their very DNA, then that must make the other one superior, right?

Those crying the loudest about "racism" are in fact racists looking, praying for any damn reason to think that their accomplishment-free lives are somehow superior to tens of millions of others due to the minor happenstance of their skin tone. And those crying the loudest about "sexism" are just attempting to prove that men are inferior, so that they can take their rightful, God-Promised place as the Superior Sex.

And frankly, they've made this all too obvious in recent years. The stealth, polite-company racism and sexism we've long tolerated from these hateful people has been emboldened and envenomed by the Cult of Identity Politics and Social Justice Warriorism to the point where they barely bother to hide the fact that they literally hate people of different races or genders and want them to either 1, assume the correct posture of deference and second-class citizenship as God has willed it or 2, simply die away and depart the planet forever.

And now people are saying what we frankly should have said 30 years ago:

I do not believe you must defer to me, but I'll be damned to Hell before I'm bullied into deferring to you. Go fuck yourselves in the heart with a knife, Racist. Sexist. Islamist. Whatever brand of hateful Other-hating I'm-superior-because-of-my-DNA-or-randomly-determined-cultural-baggage supremacist you are.

Have I mansplained this too harshly?

Posted by: Ace at 11:30 AM

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1 Good Morning, Ace.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 11:31 AM (MQZBa)

2 BAck later, much later after I read all that

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 01, 2016 11:31 AM (mpXpK)

3 Been up for a while now, I see.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 11:31 AM (MQZBa)

4 I'll get the others.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:31 AM (SgI6S)

5 Robby Soave?

If my last name was Soave, I would change it to Suave.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 11:33 AM (MQZBa)

6 No, you haven't. Damn fine post there Ace...may milk another $50 out of me.

Posted by: DanMan at December 01, 2016 11:33 AM (RusNE)

7 I feel like I have been saying this for 30 years.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 01, 2016 11:33 AM (7ZVPa)

8 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:34 AM (SgI6S)

9 I probably have been.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 01, 2016 11:34 AM (7ZVPa)

10 Those articles are pretty easy to manderstand.

Posted by: Roy at December 01, 2016 11:34 AM (VndSC)

11 Very nice, Ace. You are a hell of a writer.

Wish I had the intellectual chops to say more than that, but I don't. So I'll grab a cup of tea and read the comments.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2016 11:34 AM (X6fMO)

12 So, should I see the movie?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 01, 2016 11:34 AM (KUaJL)

13 The adderall must have kicked in.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 01, 2016 11:34 AM (4WhSY)

14 369 But I think Buzzsaw90 has a better knowledge of the Brandywine area if that's where we want to meet up. My email is in my nic if people want to email me & I can try to get a mailing list together.
Posted by: josephistan at December 01, 2016 11:25 AM (7HtZB)

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link in your nic did not work

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 01, 2016 11:34 AM (PNcou)

15 I feel like I have been saying this for 30 years.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada

You probably have. We all have.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:34 AM (SgI6S)

16 Why is this so hard for people. I don't see the color of your skin, your gender (all 57 of them), or sexual preference.

I'm a simple guy - Don't be an asshole.

That is how I judge people.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 01, 2016 11:35 AM (jxbfJ)

17 Why is this so hard for people. I don't see the color of your skin, your gender (all 57 of them), or sexual preference.

I'm a simple guy - Don't be an asshole.

That is how I judge people.

Yep. Don't start none, won't be none.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:36 AM (SgI6S)

18 tl;dr: identity politics only works so long as the largest group lets you get away with it.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 01, 2016 11:36 AM (KUaJL)

19 The New York Times last week permitted a professor to question the Democrats' fixation on "identity liberalism," arguing that the fixation on division by race, gender, and orientation was a recipe for political failure.

Lets see:

Doctor, heal thyself

Pot, call the kettle black

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye

IOW the NYT is a fine one to talk

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 01, 2016 11:36 AM (mpXpK)

20 The Argument of Utility is weak.

Posted by: iKant at December 01, 2016 11:36 AM (MQZBa)

21 Would we call it sexism if we said something like "Women, by virtue of their gender, cannot help but make false claims of rape to elevate their social standing"?

Of course we would.

If you said "encouraged and incentivized to" instead of "cannot help but" you'd have a very true statement.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2016 11:37 AM (0mRoj)

22 If my last name was Soave, I would change it to Suave.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 11:33 AM (MQZBa)

Suave and DeBoner (debonair).

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 11:37 AM (CS7jF)

23 I love it when a revolution eats itself.

Aside from the collateral damage, anyway.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at December 01, 2016 11:37 AM (u0s1P)

24 The white people are gonna build a nation. And the nonwhite people are gonna pay for it.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 11:38 AM (Bdeb0)

25 If my last name was Soave, I would change it to Suave.

Posted by: Rico at December 01, 2016 11:38 AM (u0s1P)

26 My fear on all this is that generally, identity politics tends to work.

Basically, every minority group goes HEAVILY Democrat. The only thing that balances it out is that whites keep upping their % to Republican candidates. White Democrats keep becoming a smaller group.

At some point though, there simply won't be enough white votes anymore to offset this.

So will this stuff work for Democrats when whites are in the minority?

Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 11:38 AM (g9iYn)

27 If my last name was Soave, I would change it to Suave.

Copycat.

Posted by: Rico at December 01, 2016 11:38 AM (u0s1P)

28 So: Can the left jettison identity politics?

Never,

that is the entire gist of their racist policy. Especially the racist sub-chapters of the Democrat Party known as the NAACP and the CBC.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 01, 2016 11:38 AM (mpXpK)

29 You probably have. We all have.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:34 AM (SgI6S)

We have.

Posted by: Deplorable 98ZJUSMC at December 01, 2016 11:39 AM (MHq1d)

30 6 No, you haven't. Damn fine post there Ace...may milk another $50 out of me.
Posted by: DanMan at December 01, 2016 11:33 AM (RusNE)

Heh. Heheheh. Heh heh.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2016 11:39 AM (0mRoj)

31 I said this about Obama.

Politics is about constituencies. Obama made it clear that he was going to upend things. Fundamentally transform America. That the people who didn't get constituent service in the past were going to get it now.

That meant all the left handed Lesbian transgendered Eskimos now had a voice.

People figured out that wasn't how this works.

It isn't how any of this works.

Posted by: blaster at December 01, 2016 11:39 AM (tewYv)

32 If my last name was Soave, I would change it to Suave.

The Paolo, he already has.
Posted by: Paolo Suave

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:39 AM (SgI6S)

33 At what point does more diversity become less diversity?
Didja ever notice that college campuses as group exhibit rigid conformity to more diversity?

Posted by: Guam tipper at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (RhmeP)

34 Very nice article, Ace.

That's it. No snark. It really is one of your best.

Posted by: pep at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (NrQPT)

35 So: Can the left jettison identity politics?

Yes - right after ending corruption, and satiating a thirst for fascist power.

Posted by: Roy at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (VndSC)

36 That's the drift Ace. A melting pot is not a piss pot.

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (ZoRF7)

37 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (4VAdr)

38 So will this stuff work for Democrats when whites are in the minority?

Not if minorities have opposing goals. Think opposition to illegal immigrants taking low-skill jobs, or the unions vs. the Greens.

Or Asians vs. non-high-achievers.

Posted by: Rico at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (u0s1P)

39 Shorter version

Bring us all your stuff before you self-report to the mines!

Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (hk1x8)

40 /So: Can the left jettison identity politics?/

No, of course not. They will cease to exist if they do; left's coalition consists entirely of small coalitions of aggrieved - depending on the era it could be "the workers" being cheated out of fair wages, "the farmers" being cheated out of land, the oppressed "proletariat" who, for whatever reason, is oppressed. obama "coalition" is a perfect example. the happier and more successful society, the least successful the left is - no pool to draw on. that is why Reagan won 3 terms.

Posted by: runner at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (c6/9Q)

41 I know you are but what am I?

Posted by: Dimpled Chad at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (IqV8l)

42 Excellent piece. And not the Columbia connection.

The left, which we should really start calling what it is, marxism, can't abandon identity politics because it is at the core of the entire movement. The whole point was to be a party of minorities and their useful idiot white supporters.

This was the international Marxist movement in practice. The same thing happened in Cuba. It isn't by magic that guys like Obama and Ayers have obsessed over Cuba for years as an example of a largely minority movement to overthrow the "white" establishment and install a Marxist government (the dirty little secret being that guys like Che thought blacks were lazy and indolent).

Today's left IS identity politics and they will live and likely die by it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (/tuJf)

43 23 I love it when a revolution eats itself.

Aside from the collateral damage, anyway.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at December 01, 2016 11:37 AM (u0s1P)

The left always eats its young--always. Nobody is ever pure enough.
Read Darkness at Noon by Arthur Koestler. At one point the protagonist bemoans the fact the young in the Soviet Union are almost invariably brutes. It seems to be happening in the West.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 01, 2016 11:40 AM (s7hQ/)

44 a bit off-topic:
note to the Trump people (I know some of you must be here): I don't think you will be able to make it illegal to burn the flag, but how about enforcing free speech on campus by denying federal aid to any college (including student loans) that has speech codes?
I recall the Clinton admin in the 1990s trying the same thing with their interpretation of civil rights laws.

Posted by: Mallfly ver 2.0001 at December 01, 2016 11:41 AM (2JQBv)

45 What a bunch of concubines.

Posted by: ajmojo at December 01, 2016 11:41 AM (1H9ox)

46 If my last name was Soave, I would change it to Suave.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 11:33 AM (MQZBa)

Like the partner in the law firm, "Swave and DeBoner?"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2016 11:41 AM (MiBfH)

47 With this subject I am always reminded of "Farnham's Freehold," a lesser known Heinlein book. Frankly I didn't much enjoy reading it for various structure and plot reasons, but the parallels between his fiction and our current society cannot be understated. Check it out.

Also, it's been said numerous times, but you, Ace, have the most wonderful headlines for your posts.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gloaty McGloatface at December 01, 2016 11:42 AM (RwwCT)

48 Remember that book 'whats the matter with Kansas ?

IIRC, the premise was that uneducated white people where too stupid to vote for their own self-interest.

Now that white people are actually voting for their self-interest..

RACIST !!!!!!!

Posted by: McCool at December 01, 2016 11:42 AM (lWCRE)

49 I heard from the "tolerant" people several times over the last year and a half that white men particularly older white men needed to die so that the world could be more equal.

One particular time was when I went on a date a few months ago. For some reason the young woman brought her friend along whom I could tell right away was an SJW based on appearance alone. We somehow veered into politics and they said someone needed to take Trump out and white men needed to die off. When they brought up Trump's comments regarding Muslims I pointed out that there are serious problems with Islam, their treatment of women and gays in particular. All I got was eye rolls.

Needless to say I didn't pursue the young woman any further.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 11:42 AM (BDZWU)

50 Drudge says MeAgain is leaving Fox. Perhaps she can get a job on the Young Turks.

Posted by: An Observation at December 01, 2016 11:42 AM (4HS8l)

51 Who, despite my hash, is not pro-Empire.

Posted by: That Guy who shouts at December 01, 2016 11:43 AM (4VAdr)

52 by the way, leftists are usually smart enough to first seize power and then start killing each other. Our leftists might not be that smart after all.

Posted by: Mallfly ver 2.0001 at December 01, 2016 11:43 AM (2JQBv)

53 And frankly, they've made this all too obvious in recent years.

Yeah, seems to have been the theme of oh, the last 8 years or so.

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 11:43 AM (jkmtt)

54 I can remember thinking, back when Trump first announced he would run and started getting traction, that the Democrat party and progressive politics in general would die a sad, pathetic, schadenboner-licious death, and what remained of the Republican party would split up into a Trumpian "pragmatic" party and a Buckleyite + Neocon reactionary opposition.

Think that's what we're really seeing already? Maybe it's too soon to tell.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 01, 2016 11:43 AM (sK2fh)

55 Suave and DeBoner (debonair).

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 11:37 AM (CS7jF)

Bet me to it, you did.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2016 11:43 AM (MiBfH)

56 When a group of 6 year old spoiled brats are given the keys to a political party.

Alex, I believe the answer is liberals?

Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered at December 01, 2016 11:43 AM (2PHKP)

57
What does "paid volunteer" mean?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 01, 2016 11:30 AM (mgbwf

Tomorrow , after the determination if the recount goes forward, each county Election supervisor has to hire or find people who can read and write to sit all day at a table and count votes.By frickin hand.

The only people who are going to do that reliably are either the chronically unemployed, retired, etc. They will need to be paid, but can "volunteer' to come in and be hired as temps to do this. It has to be done by Dec. 13 in order to release the electors.

Stein and Clinton/Soros know what they are doing.This has been preplanned, IMO. This is to throw the election into chaos, and force it to the House of Reps. for a vote.

Posted by: Jen at December 01, 2016 11:43 AM (be9L9)

58 I don't think anyone wants to do anything about flag burning, even "Trump people".

This was always a silly issue.

Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 11:44 AM (g9iYn)

59 OT early.

Trailer for a movie involving an intentionally locked down corporate building whose employees are instructed to kill their coworkers or be killed themselves. Sounds stupid, but looks pretty good. A lot of good actors in this.

http://tinyurl.com/The-Belko-Experiment

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 11:44 AM (CS7jF)

60 The only addition I'd make is that liberals do the racist, sexist spew not because they themselves feel they're the better race, sex etc. But because they need to reinforce in their paltry little mind that they, the liberal, is the better PERSON.

Liberals consider themselves superior to us deplorables. They have nothing to back this up in the real world, accomplishments or other. So they fabricate this false reality where the 'Other' is a racist, sexist etc.

And proceed to pat themselves on the back because of how good they, the liberal, are.

Very well said Ace.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 01, 2016 11:44 AM (WuRdh)

61 >>If you are going to mention groups in America, you had better mention all of them. If you don't, those left out will notice and feel excluded. Which, as the data show, was exactly what happened with the white working class and those with strong religious convictions.

Nonsense. As you say, they are anti-white and anti-Christian.

It's like they are suggesting that in addition to saying "Black Lives Matter" she should also have said "White Lives Matter".

Riiiiight.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 01, 2016 11:44 AM (gTQoY)

62 link in your nic did not work

Clicking it doesn't, hovering over it gives you joewall77 at hotmail dot com.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 01, 2016 11:44 AM (mgbwf)

63 Have I mansplained this too harshly?

Not nearly harshly enough, until the penultimate paragraph, actually.

Posted by: DocJ at December 01, 2016 11:44 AM (NYS7S)

64 So: Can the left jettison identity politics?

Go ahead. Try. When La Raza finds out that BLM is getting a bigger piece of the pie......

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:45 AM (SgI6S)

65 I read as much of it as I can, because I am pressed for time. I think a lot gets said regarding the left's trap of identity politics, and that cannot be a bad thing. The more we as a society talk about it, the more likely we can combat it.

And combat it, we should.

However. The paradox is, everything we do, all of it, when it's done in the public square, politically and otherwise, is about the other.

We're looking to correct the flaws in others.

Aaaaand, that's not how human beings get better at being human. We get better when we focus on ourselves. This is of course, self-evident.

And yet we spend so much of our physical and mental energy fighting in the public square, that what gets done is all the finger pointing in all its glory, so, needless to say, the public square is a fustercluck of badness, doing bad things badly.

But we're going to carry on, so who am I to suggest another way. People be people. They (we) won't stop now.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 01, 2016 11:45 AM (TOk1P)

66 Forgot to add that I wish I would have pursued the white people needed to die line further such as asking "If they don't die off quickly enough on their own should we intervene to make it happen more quickly?" I bet I would've gotten some interesting answers.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 11:45 AM (BDZWU)

67 Tired Dem donors feel like their money got burned

https://tinyurl.com/jnt3ezt

Posted by: Evilpens at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (y3aQB)

68 What movie is this a review of?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (493sH)

69 Allow me to repost this because I wish to increase my chances that our resident Conan Doyle sees my comments on his work.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 01, 2016 11:16 AM (39g3+)

I read your Holmes piece and quite liked it. I did not solve the mystery on my own.

I noticed that you tightened up some loose shit in the Conan Doyle canon; to wit, Watson's wandering wound. In the first Holmes book, A Study in Scarlet, he complains of a wound to his shoulder. In later works, the wound was to his leg. You gave him two wounds, presumably incurred at the same time. One wonders if he might not have been squatting to relieve himself when accosted by the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune such that a single bullet may have produced both wounds. Similarly, you hinted at another conundrum in the canon, Mrs. Watson, or should I say the Mistresses Watson. There are certain inconsistencies in the character in the canon that cause one to suspect there may have been more than one. Although not directly addressed, you made it clear that Watson had an eye for the ladies.

SPOILER ALERT!!!!

My only criticism is that you could have been more clear regarding the motive for the impersonation of "Colin". I think I understand. He wished to disassociate himself from his partners in crime once a murder had occurred without himself incurring what his "brother" incurred and therefore sought to involve Holmes to overturn the checkerboard, so speak.

In short, I very much enjoyed this addition to the Holmes literature.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (Nwg0u)

70 What I'm getting is that "white privilege" is a racist construct.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (4WhSY)

71
What does "paid volunteer" mean?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Sounds like the "mandatory volunteers" that Colin Powell and others have called for (Peace Corps and VISTA type stuff)

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (IqV8l)

72 Let the left devour itself one little slice at a time...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hillary clinton will never be the President of the United States. (note that it is the united states not the united self labeled identities). Can we all just get along and judge each mas/woman by the content of their character? Or am I a racist pig?

Posted by: USNtakim with a glorious beard at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (hMqvx)

73 Like the partner in the law firm, "Swave and DeBoner?"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2016 11:41 AM (MiBfH)

thought it was the name of cologne

Posted by: runner at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (c6/9Q)

74 Agenda in Flames; Women, Minorities Hardest Hit

Posted by: The New York Fucking Times at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (qJhUV)

75 I've always said that liberalism, (aka socialism, progressives) are a true cancer on this country. And like any cancer, you cannot peacefully co-exist with it.

Until we get that through our thick skulls, this national shit-show will continue uninterrupted.

Good news though - as the liberal loony left descends into straight up anarchy and psychosis over their repeated rejection by people with common sense, the desire to make liberalism against the law will grow. It's either that, or we have to play that Civ War 2 game again.

Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (2PHKP)

76 Another thought...

If privately-owned, but public establishments like restaurants can deny your constitutional rights by creating gun-free zones in their places of business... (and presumably denying service to those who arent willing to follow their wishes)

Why arent bakers, photographers etc.. allowed to say, I'm sorry, go exercise your 'rights' elsewhere.. ?

Posted by: McCool at December 01, 2016 11:47 AM (lWCRE)

77 Identity politics only worked when the people united by their identity were more active in politics than the people who weren't. When the outsiders became conscious of being marginalized they formed their own group. This was totally predictable and thus none of the intelligentsia saw it.

Also: if you keep poking somebody with a stick and predicting "You're going to attack me!" your prediction will eventually come true.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at December 01, 2016 11:47 AM (RD7QR)

78 ***want them to either 1, assume the correct posture of deference and second-class citizenship as God has willed it or 2, simply die away and depart the planet forever.

So, that explains the affinity with islam.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at December 01, 2016 11:47 AM (mVkKv)

79
What movie is this a review of?
Posted by: TheQuietMan

The Lives of Others

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2016 11:47 AM (IqV8l)

80 re 58: I think it's just Trump throwing sand in the leftists' eyes again. They always fall for it. When Dems come up with some hate crime story that turns out to be a hoax, the Dems always use it as an excuse to say that it can still start a "shut up and listen to me" conversation.

Posted by: Mallfly ver 2.0001 at December 01, 2016 11:47 AM (2JQBv)

81 Have I mansplained this too harshly?

Not nearly harshly enough, Ace. Spot on!

Posted by: OSUsux at December 01, 2016 11:48 AM (DFXmi)

82 Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 11:45 AM (BDZWU)

How did you locate these specimens? I mean if it's not too personal a question.

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 11:48 AM (jkmtt)

83 What I don't get is why Asians are so wed to the Democrat Party.

You would think if there was one "non-white" group of people that would reject that type of thinking it would be Asians. They tend to be culturally conservative, successful, and very rarely engage in "hate whitey" type nonsense.

But last I checked, I think they vote Democrat in higher % than Latinos.

Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 11:48 AM (g9iYn)

84 leftists are fascists. Fascists are leftists. Fascism calls for everyone in a group to band together and feel superior/battle the other groups who aren't them. simple as that.

Posted by: azjaeger at December 01, 2016 11:48 AM (JmQg4)

85 There's one minority group that generally aligns itself within the conservative movement. Evangelical Christians. Not that we aren't sometimes slapped around a bit by our fellow travelers. See if this phrase bothers you: " to love, honor and obey." But hey, for the most part we get along fine, at least until someone brings up the DH.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 01, 2016 11:48 AM (bpfzP)

86 Tired Dem donors feel like their money got burned

Wonder if Jeb's donors smartened up, too?

RSM writes from time to time about how if these people, instead of flushing $100M down some toilet like Jeb's campaign took that money and spent it here and there on real conservative news journalism...

Insty says what if they bought up some women's magazines.

These seem like good ideas.

Posted by: blaster at December 01, 2016 11:49 AM (tewYv)

87 >>>Have I mansplained this too harshly?

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the roar of my schadenboner.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 01, 2016 11:49 AM (tWr0P)

88 Yuuge content. Classy and luxurious, as ever.

Ewok's nootropics must be kicking in bigly.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at December 01, 2016 11:49 AM (OmAV8)

89 I've been saying for years, wake up and while shaving, call yourself a racist. Makes the day easier.

Posted by: Jean at December 01, 2016 11:49 AM (2RVmA)

90 Fascism calls for everyone in a group to band together and feel superior/battle the other groups who aren't them. simple as that.
Posted by: azjaeger at December 01, 2016 11:48 AM (JmQg4)

That's the import of the "Fascii" symbol originally, right?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 01, 2016 11:49 AM (sK2fh)

91 This - lengthy article and response is an outline and plan to deceive the American people about the purposes of the Progressive Fascist Left.
A How- To on Deception.
Very transparent.

Posted by: tubal at December 01, 2016 11:49 AM (d6TTt)

92 For some reason the young woman brought her friend along whom I could tell right away was an SJW based on appearance alone. We somehow veered into politics and they said someone needed to take Trump out and white men needed to die off. When they brought up Trump's comments regarding Muslims I pointed out that there are serious problems with Islam, their treatment of women and gays in particular. All I got was eye rolls.

Needless to say I didn't pursue the young woman any further.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 11:42 AM (BDZWU)

Dude.

You had a threesome staring you in the face and you talked politics from a Conservative prospective?

There's such a thing as having the integrity to stick to one's guns, but WTF!!!

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (CS7jF)

93 If my last name was Soave, I would change it to Suave.
Copycat.
Posted by: Rico at December 01, 2016 11:38 AM (u0s1P)

"The name is Suave. Rico Suave."

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (PRtT5)

94 Micheal Barone predicted years ago that whites would start voting as a block for the GOP. Not for any reason, per se, other than as they became less and less a strong majority, they'd start identifying politically as a group and less as an individual. I think it also had to do with feeling the need to "protect" one's group interests against other groups priorities.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (Uy6ri)

95 Have you ever asked a liberal what they want?

Sometimes, I wonder if they don't know exactly what they want, but just like the idea of screaming till their eyes water.

Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (2PHKP)

96 There are differences between races, genders, etc. No race is a "master race", some are better at things than others, and vice versa. But "we" agreed to ignore that and focus on character, on merit. Colorblindness is a social contract.

Now some groups can't succeed on merit, and like you say, what to advance (or feel good) based on a trait they are born with or identify with. To use it as a plus factor to gain a benefit.

But that gain can be, and often is, a loss to another group. So we've been put into groups now, and whitey is the designated bitch, and all other minorities/groups can fight over whitey's slice of the pie all while whitey is supposed to remain ignorant of this.

Whitey agreed with that social contract until it became clear that all sides weren't honoring it. 2016 just showed that whitey is "woke" and 'bout ready to shred it. That's not good for race pimps, and not good for a harmonious society. But it's the inevitable equal and opposite reaction to the Left's Grand Plan.

As I've said here and other places, I'm not part of a tribe/group - the Left put me into one. So I'm gonna organize it and win with it. The Left won't learn to stop using these tactics until said tactics are used against them. So the sooner we help them learn, the better.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (i6shs)

97 I was thinking about those companies than have gone all SJW by insisting they don't want the business of half The United States.
They probably expect the left will respond to their imbecilic heroism by rushing to buy from them.
It isn't going to happen. The left is too smug to reward their business supporters by, you know, giving them business. After all Kelloggs and others are only doing the clearly right thing (in their minds).

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (s7hQ/)

98 Stein and Clinton/Soros know what they are doing.This has been preplanned, IMO. This is to throw the election into chaos, and force it to the House of Reps. for a vote.
Posted by: Jen

Tie up Michigan. Trump still wins. Disenfranchise an entire state. Fight that lawsuit.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:51 AM (SgI6S)

99 And no - the left cannot disavow "identity politics" without destroying what is left of their shrinking coalition because, as you say, it's literally all they have.

Or as Cadet Mayo says in An Officer And A Gentleman... I got nowhere else to go!

Posted by: DocJ at December 01, 2016 11:51 AM (NYS7S)

100 While identity politics failed this time, it did work for Obama. He specifically gave up on white and working class voters and did not court them. I guess he had a broad general platform of "soaring rhetoric" that appealed to a larger base. But he was able to get more Hispanics and blacks than Hillary. She lost bc she underperformed across every demographic. I would say that identity politics does work just not this time.

Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2016 11:51 AM (6IPEM)

101 "We're now just using "White" as a general derogatory term."

Liberals have been using the phrase "white people" like it was dogshit in their mouth for a decade now. If an alt-right did rise, this is why.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 01, 2016 11:52 AM (S2VsH)

102 Tour de force, Ace.

They won't change because with few exceptions, they lack the self-awareness to do so.

When I was in high-school, many moons ago, we discussed the phenomenon of "reverse racism" in the context of affirmative action, scholarship opportunities, and the like. Even then, it was something ugly rearing its head, and everyone had the clarity to see it for what it was.

That's when the critical theorists decided to say that it couldn't possibly be racist because they had no institutional power.

So, for the last eight years, they had institutional power.

The stuff isn't even built on a foundation - it's on wheels, of a charlatan's wagon that has to either get a new coat of paint or skip town before the duped show up with pitchforks.

So, that's the left. The charlatan constantly looking for a new coat of paint.

Posted by: grognard at December 01, 2016 11:52 AM (/29Nl)

103
So: Can the left jettison identity politics?

I don't think so. Identity politics is the whole of leftism now. They
have nothing else. They have no other brand, except for this.
***

I disagree. It will be hard, but the left can do it.

The point of left wing politics is the acquisition of power. It looks like they've squeezed as much as they can out of identity politics as a strategy - remember Barack Obama would not have been elected without it.
So at some point they will temper it or roll it back, once they finally do a real review of why they lost 2016 (probably after further losses in 201

.
Remember that the left has changed positions and strategies on almost everything they supposedly hold dear - the political left in America has in the past:
Endorsed imprisoning people based on their race in internment camps (FDR)
Publicly shamed people for homosexuality (as recent as 2006)
Opposed and supported succession abroad and locally.
Opposed and supported wars of choice.
Violently opposed Islam (as recently as 2000).

etc...etc...etc...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 01, 2016 11:52 AM (X7E8f)

104 Sometimes, I wonder if they don't know exactly what they want, but just like the idea of screaming till their eyes water.
Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (2PHKP)

See #39 above

Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 01, 2016 11:52 AM (hk1x8)

105 Sometimes, I wonder if they don't know exactly what they want, but just like the idea of screaming till their eyes water.
Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (2PHKP)

Any answers that I have heard to your simple questions have been vague generalities and Leftist platitudes.

The Left is a Bumper Sticker.

Posted by: tubal at December 01, 2016 11:52 AM (d6TTt)

106 While identity politics failed this time, it did work for Obama. He specifically gave up on white and working class voters and did not court them. I guess he had a broad general platform of "soaring rhetoric" that appealed to a larger base. But he was able to get more Hispanics and blacks than Hillary. She lost bc she underperformed across every demographic. I would say that identity politics does work just not this time.

Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2016 11:51 AM (6IPEM)

Obama succeeded because he got enough of the white vote, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2016 11:53 AM (MiBfH)

107 It's actually been funny to watch the absolute outrage of the moonbat left at this article. The idea that there might be a problem on their side just does not compute - they are correct and morally pure and not to be argued with...

Posted by: lyford at December 01, 2016 11:53 AM (KlzLZ)

108 >>Also: if you keep poking somebody with a stick and predicting "You're going to attack me!" your prediction will eventually come true.

The left is convinced that they have already LITERALLY been physically attacked by the election of Trump.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 01, 2016 11:53 AM (gTQoY)

109 98 Stein and Clinton/Soros know what they are doing.This has been preplanned, IMO. This is to throw the election into chaos, and force it to the House of Reps. for a vote.
Posted by: Jen

& Then

Posted by: Evilpens at December 01, 2016 11:54 AM (y3aQB)

110 What movie is this a review of?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (493sH)

"Yummy Shit Sandwich! Let's Eat!"

Starring every Democrat/Liberal/Commie evar.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 11:54 AM (CS7jF)

111 Facepalm & HEADESK

Posted by: Evilpens at December 01, 2016 11:54 AM (y3aQB)

112 Micheal Barone predicted years ago that whites would start voting as a block for the GOP. Not for any reason, per se, other than as they became less and less a strong majority, they'd start identifying politically as a group and less as an individual. I think it also had to do with feeling the need to "protect" one's group interests against other groups priorities.
Posted by: Serious Cat

It does look like that is starting to happen.

It's funny that it wasn't that long ago that most whites were registered as Democrats.

If the GOP can figure out a way to some how keep the white working class on board and still attract white "white collar" voters that used to be the backbone of the Republican Party, it would be complete dominance.

Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 11:54 AM (g9iYn)

113
Or as Cadet Mayo says in An Officer And A Gentleman... I got nowhere else to go!
Posted by: DocJ at December 01, 2016

-----

I want you D.O.R.

Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 01, 2016 11:55 AM (hk1x8)

114 Didja ever notice that college campuses as group exhibit rigid conformity to more diversity?
__________________________

And they are tolerant of everything except any viewpoint that differs from their own.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 01, 2016 11:55 AM (rgZEV)

115 What movie is this a review of?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2016 11:46 AM (493sH)

"Weekend at Hillary's?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 01, 2016 11:55 AM (sK2fh)

116 >>Ah, I see. We're now just using "White" as a general derogatory term.
Apparently the goal of the Social Justice Warriors is not to show
respect for all people, but simply to swap out one Out-Group deemed
socially acceptable to casually denigrate for another Out-Group who
really deserves such treatment

Saw a youtube of campus feminists confronted by campus conservatives - and a few of the gals hissed "White Male! White Male! White Male!!!!" as if she were calling them the most derogatory term she knows.
It was weird --- but telling: to them , this *is* on par with calling them child-farking leppers.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2016 11:55 AM (NOIQH)

117 "Ah, I see. We're now just using "White" as a general derogatory term. Apparently the goal of the Social Justice Warriors is not to show respect for all people, but simply to swap out one Out-Group deemed socially acceptable to casually denigrate for another Out-Group who really deserves such treatment. (More on that later.)"

My experience is that our educational systems have taught several generations of minorities in this country not to hate slavery (although they mouth the words), but merely to crave their turn with the whip.

It's pretty disheartening.

Posted by: West at December 01, 2016 11:55 AM (1Rgee)

118 Great post, Ace!

Sorry im late. Got disoriented in Clam Canyon.

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (FC7Jy)

119 The New York Times last week permitted a professor to question the Democrats' fixation on "identity liberalism," arguing that the fixation on division by race, gender, and orientation was a recipe for political failure.

From Bella Dodd's "School of Darkness" http://genus.cogia.net/chap13.php

"BY APRIL, 1945, there was evidence of trouble in the Communist Party. Uneasiness increased among its functionaries. I first became aware of this in my work with the Italian Commission of the American Communist Party.

One day two foreigners appeared in our midst, recently come from Italy. Berti and Donnini were a smooth, attractive pair, who called themselves professors and had become leaders of the Italian Commission. They immediately started a controversy, about the, work among national minorities.

Earl Browder at the convention of 1944 had insisted 9n the elimination of a sense of difference among the foreign-born and had moved to have them treated as part of the American labor movement. To this Professors Berti and Donnini offered strenuous objections. They emphasized the importance of separate national organizations, of encouraging the foreign-born to use their languages, and of circulating foreign-language newspapers. They encouraged the organizing of the different national groups almost as if these were foreign colonies. It would strengthen the sense of nationalism among them, they asserted, a necessary thing for the building of world communism.

These two Party functionaries found themselves on the carpet for their unwelcome views. Plans were on foot to expel them. Then, suddenly, came the amazing news that they were members of the Italian Communist Party! Up to this point, like others, I had regarded them as honest but misguided foreigners with a penchant for disputation.

Now I realized that nothing they said had been unpremeditated, and that they were not speaking for themselves. They represented the International Communist movement and it was clear that Browder's approach to the national problem was in disfavor with some sections of world communism."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (SRKgf)

120 The left is convinced that they have already LITERALLY been physically attacked by the election of Trump.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 01, 2016 11:53 AM (gTQoY)

We can go back to the r/K selection theory, and the amygdala-jack, for an explanation of this. I have very little doubt that millions of leftists were left physically ill.

Posted by: grognard at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (/29Nl)

121 All of this is why the EU will never work as one untied country. If they had stuck to the original trading idea between the European countries, if would probably would survive. My guess is that all along, the EU was planned to be a political union, but now they are finding out that will never happen.

From the Express (UK)

EU could collapse BEFORE Brexit: Merkel and Tusk 'will destroy bloc as underdogs rise up'

Posted by: Colin at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (mIgf1)

122 >> What movie is this a review of?

P.C.U

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (NOIQH)

123 Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 11:54 AM (g9iYn)

The Republican Party could keep its voters by making good on its promises.

Posted by: tubal at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (d6TTt)

124 And couple with victimhood as a badge of honor. And emotional victimhood is what counts so if I am cut to the quick because some cad dumped me in a mean way I'm just as much a victim as women in Sweden who have experienced rapefugees intimately.

It is so stinking stupid, one wants to just laugh and ignore these cry bullies. But history has many examples of civilizations that advanced, got soft and then were overrun by barbarian hordes. And our cry bullies are purposefully importing the barbarians and giving them jobs or welfare and crying racist, xenophobe, etc when folks with a trace of common sense say we should stop.

Posted by: PaleRider with link to the funeral expense fund for SMFH's Carl at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (Jen0I)

125 Speaking of alt-right, I find the current leftie hand wringing about it amusing.

Breitbart's "alt-right" means not part of the traditional right wing structure in America, eg: The Chamber of Commerce, National Review, the Bush dynasty, etc

Random internet racists use the term to describe themselves because they see the world in terms of race and conservativism of both Breitbart and National Review varieties is color blind.

The left claims to be unable to distinguish between the two.

However, if one were to argue that the German National Socialists and say Bernie Sanders both call themselves socialists so they must be related, the left freaks out and screams about how the terms don't mean the same thing....

Posted by: 18-1 at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (X7E8f)

126 don't think so. Identity politics is the whole of leftism now. They
have nothing else. They have no other brand, except for this.
***

I disagree. It will be hard, but the left can do it.

The point of left wing politics is the acquisition of power. It looks like they've squeezed as much as they can out of identity politics as a strategy - remember Barack Obama would not have been elected without it.
So at some point they will temper it or roll it back, once they finally do a real review of why they lost 2016 (probably after further losses in 201.

No can do. If they jettison BLM, they'll never win. If the jettison La Raza but keep BLM, they'll never win. If the jettison LA Raza AND BLM in favor of gays, they'll never win.
Ad infinitum.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (SgI6S)

127 82 Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 11:45 AM (BDZWU)

How did you locate these specimens? I mean if it's not too personal a question.
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 11:48 AM (jkmtt)
===

Through a friend. We met at a bar and the young woman and I (I'll refer to her as Taylor) kind of hit it off talking about nerdy stuff. I texted Taylor about meeting up and she said fine then she said can I bring a friend which I though was weird but I was like ummm sure I guess. I met her again one on one after the meeting with her and her friend and I didn't really feel a connection so I let it go.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 11:57 AM (BDZWU)

128 Bottom line: all of the diversity crap originated with Stalin and the Comintern. Of course, the Soviets of ALL people realized what problems would arise from "diversity."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 11:57 AM (SRKgf)

129 I want you D.O.R.
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 01, 2016 11:55 AM (hk1x

I always got a chuckle out of that line. "I demand that you volunteer to quit."

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 11:57 AM (PRtT5)

130 I blame the Beatles and that damn White Album for all this hoo-ha.

Posted by: Mick Jagger at December 01, 2016 11:57 AM (vI+F1)

131 Ah white privilege. A chance to be insulted by assholes.

Joe Biden told black folks that the Republicans want to put y'all back in chains. Ol Slow Joe loves to babble bull puckey.

Jill Stein and the Hillary Crowd want to put white males in chains--and they are damned serious about it.

Posted by: Skeptical Voter at December 01, 2016 11:58 AM (Sda6L)

132 The left claims to be unable to distinguish between the two.

However, if one were to argue that the German National Socialists and say Bernie Sanders both call themselves socialists so they must be related, the left freaks out and screams about how the terms don't mean the same thing....

Yeah. They do. They made it up, they own it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 11:58 AM (SgI6S)

133 The left is convinced that they have already LITERALLY been physically attacked by the election of Trump.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 01, 2016 11:53 AM (gTQoY)

Did you ever see that video of the girl who went nutter the day after Trump won? She should be in the care of a doctor, but served instead as the poster child for a 'concerned liberal party'. She. was. unhinged.

Cyring, screaming, sobbing. As if someone had just murdered her whole family in front of her.
This is the problem with building an army made up of 'feelings'. Eventually you lose positive control and Krakatoa blows.

That's why the left cannot sustain this. Their entire premise is based on getting people whipped up to a good lather in order to utilize their rage for a hidden agenda. But when your rage puppets start to get out of control because they simply don't know how else to act...well, Chernobyl is another good analogy.

Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered at December 01, 2016 11:58 AM (2PHKP)

134 I would say that identity politics does work just not this time.
Posted by: L, Elle at December

I agree, that's what is worrisome.

Let's be honest, had any black been the Dem nominee, Trump probably would have lost.

What's strange to me though is the Republican vote seems to keep going down. Trump barely outperformed Romney. We won because their side had even worse turnout.

Had Trump simply replicated Bush in 2004, he would have stomped Hillary Clinton into the ground into something approaching a Reagan landslide.

Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 11:58 AM (g9iYn)

135 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

This is the problem. Leftists try to engage in racist politics, and when the victims of it complain, the left engages in ad hominem attacks instead of looking at things in an objective manner. I think government policies should be equitable. I don't think any group should be favored above any other.

So, rememember when Dems were called out on the pay gap scam between men and women? One response was that women pay more for clothes, so that constituted a pay gap. That sort of bullshit needs to be done away with.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 01, 2016 11:59 AM (OkKDg)

136 recipe for political failure.

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Excellent piece. I will add only that the consequence is not only political failure but also, as so often with political failure, violence, riot, and murder. Last night in Charlotte there was a racist demonstration that apparently did not rise to the level of riot but many others have and many others will. Watergate may not have had a body count but multiculturalism certainly has and we have not yet paid the full price in blood, nor will we have for decades to come.

They say the right thinks the left is wrong and the left thinks the right is evil. That's yesterday's dynamic. I am more than willing to ascribe evil to the left.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:00 PM (Nwg0u)

137 We can go back to the r/K selection theory, and the amygdala-jack, for an explanation of this. I have very little doubt that millions of leftists were left physically ill.

Posted by: grognard at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (/29Nl)

I thought it very curious how many leftists claim that encountering unwelcome viewpoints made them want to throw up. (Starting with the precious flower at Harvard who said that on hearing Larry Summers's comments, and continuing on through this election. I don't think I've ever heard a non-leftist, i.e., a loyal American, ever say that.)

You may have hit on the explanation.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:00 PM (SRKgf)

138 nd our cry bullies are purposefully importing the barbarians and giving them jobs or welfare and crying racist, xenophobe, etc

our cry bullies *are* the barbarians, homegrown and schooled. The foreign barbarians are just additional recruits to their ranks.

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:00 PM (jkmtt)

139 Have I mansplained this too harshly? No. Rock on! The left knows that "if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." They will never stop trying to divide us, to Balkanize us. For those of us old enough to have participated in the Cold War, we know the left are the communists - the powers of darkness. They have infiltrated most of our institutions and have been dressing up Statism and redefining the founding principles of democracy and capitalism for decades. Still they fail because we have the power to vote.

Have you noticed that homosexual marriage failed nearly universally
wherever it was put to a vote of the citizens. It was imposed upon us
by judiciary, starting with the ruling by a homosexual judge appointed
by Reagan. He should have recused himself and when he did not, he
should have been impeached. However, I am digressing. Through Trump we
will roll back the over reaching leftist agenda, but we must remain
ever vigilant against the left for they will never stop. We must defeat
and discredit their ideas.

Posted by: Locke Common at December 01, 2016 12:00 PM (1W2tx)

140 Giving *anyone* Absolute Moral Authority (or conversely, Absolute Moral Guilt) due to an inborne attribute is always going to go horribly wrong. As Ace says, all that has changed is the groups designated as "saint" or "goat", the desire to control others completely remains.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 01, 2016 12:00 PM (GDulk)

141 Tie up Michigan. Trump still wins. Disenfranchise an entire state. Fight that lawsuit.
________________________

Yes, what is the point of going forward with the Michigan re-count when they've missed the Pennsylvania recount deadline? Even if Hillary could steal Michigan, which is highly unlikely in light of the fact that Trump won Michigan by more than 20,000 votes, who cares? Even with Michigan, Hillary still loses.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 01, 2016 12:00 PM (rgZEV)

142 The identity politics thing seems rooted back in "Critical Theory" and was backed by foreign interests, (largely Stalinist) that infiltrated our government and marched through our institutions.

Perhaps there is some good outcome from our "melting pot" ideals, but the WASPy foundations were deliberately assaulted by "commies", and pretty successfully at that. Treating blacks as equals was a necessary continued evolution, but it became the spearhead for anti-American balkanizing, and then open borders dissolution. Corporatists found an opening for global profit as well, and China never said thank you, but wants to dominate us rather than join the church of the new world order.

Finally we are facing the ugly realities that Europe succumbed to, and now we recognize more fully. America does not want to join a new world order, nor to become a banana republic. America First will spread as fear subsides, but kids need education in civics. The schools could be the "re-re-education camps".

Posted by: illiniwek at December 01, 2016 12:00 PM (pS/eA)

143 >>Identity politics is in fact racism

Yup - so common, so casual these racial slurs have become.Great example of this is:

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ExceptWhitePeoplesrc=typd

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2016 12:00 PM (NOIQH)

144 I always got a chuckle out of that line. "I demand that you volunteer to quit."

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 11:57 AM (PRtT5)

And yet, it worked. Not at getting him to quit - but at getting him to stick through it.

Drills do not have the power to kick someone out of basic or other levels of training. They do have the power to make life suck so that you want to quit. And it really is a case of that which does not kill you makes you stronger.

Posted by: blaster at December 01, 2016 12:01 PM (tewYv)

145 Dude.

You had a threesome staring you in the face and you talked politics from a Conservative prospective?

There's such a thing as having the integrity to stick to one's guns, but WTF!!!
Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (CS7jF)
===

Nah, nothing like that was going to happen. Her friend had a steady relationship with another guy and was nothing special. If George R.R. Martin was a 20's something girl he would have looked like this girl. She even wore something like that stupid hat he wears all the time.

The girl I was pursuing was kind of cute and not so crazy as her friend. But I noticed some things that were problems early on. She smoked, was taller then me, and wasn't concerned at all with GAINZZ.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:01 PM (BDZWU)

146 "The standard liberal answer for nearly a generation now has been that
we should become aware of and "celebrate" our differences. Which is a
splendid principle of moral pedagogy"

Well, first, I'd argue that isn't a particularly good moral pedagogy. But more importantly:

That isn't what they do. They group themselves by race, class, or sexual similarities, and then become supremacists about the groups.

If they really celebrated their differences they'd be individualists, but they're just collectivists. Granted, they group themselves into soviets, which be are supposed to behave as a hive mind toward their individual interests. Thus democracy should be that each of the hives get a certain number of (identical) votes in accordance with their relative privilege, which would probably be their alleged anti-privilege. This is also why when someone in one of the groups they're claimed behave in a way other than the alleged group will, they become more hostile than they do even against those of us who are simply seen as opposition. You are seen as going against the best interests of your own group, making you a traitor- when it usually isn't even their best interests, it's just the interests of a few individuals with a lot of power.

Posted by: djmears at December 01, 2016 12:01 PM (WFjXF)

147 >>Giving *anyone* Absolute Moral Authority (or conversely, Absolute Moral
Guilt) due to an inborne attribute is always going to go horribly wrong.

It's like GenX never saw that teacher who did the blues eyes vs. brown eyes experiment.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2016 12:01 PM (NOIQH)

148 I think we are already starting to see the balkanization of their balkans.
They have formed a coalition of disparate groups that, quite honestly, other than their professed dislike/fear/hatred of whites, don't have much in common with each other. I'm going to speak in general terms here so please don't judge me.
Blacks don't like gays or hispanics.
Hispanics don't like gays, abortionists or blacks.
Asians don't like gays or poor people or concubines.
Abortionists don't like catholics (large portion of hispanics) and vice versa.
Gays don't like straight people.
Feminists don't like men.
Millenials don't like themselves.

At the end of the day, with all the vitriol the left spews forth, these islands are left supporting a bunch of other groups they really don't like. For some of those on those islands, they are only left with two options. Stay on the island and say nothing (don't vote) or move to the mainland (which is full of white people).

The drop in turnout of some of these groups (blacks, hispanics, catholics, straight people, men) for the dems this time around indicates they are at the "stay on the island and say nothing" stage. If the Golden Scalp Weasel Era is half as yuuuuge and glorious as hoped, their going to go on to the second stage. And I think that pretty soon they're going to need a bigger boat.

Posted by: ajmojo at December 01, 2016 12:02 PM (1H9ox)

149 The Republican Party could keep its voters by making good on its promises.
Posted by: tubal

I'm not sure everyone in the coalition wants the same things.

I just know I have a few Chamber of Commerce Republican friends and they WANT a very easy, open immigration process because they are convinced it keeps wages down and that benefits them.

Same wth trade, they want "free trade" because it benefits them.

Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 12:02 PM (g9iYn)

150 >>The identity politics thing seems rooted back in "Critical Theory" and was backed by foreign interests, (largely Stalinist) that infiltrated our government and marched through our institutions.

Yep. And our media. Whole lot of Columbia journalism students out there.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2016 12:02 PM (/tuJf)

151 69 ... Anonymous Wrecks,

What's the Holmes story by CT you mentioned? First I heard about it.

Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2016 12:02 PM (V+03K)

152
Leave me alone to live my life. Stay out of my wallet.

I denounce myself as racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic yada yada yada phuc all sjw leftist asshats

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at December 01, 2016 12:02 PM (NmFOj)

153 You get more of what you reward, less of what you punish.

With Affirmative Action we put into law, a system whereby it was OK to not only categorize by Race and Gender, but to reward members of some groups.

But you cannot reward one group, without inherently punishing the others... when you give one individual an advantage due to race, then others suffer.

I was raised to not even look at Race... I had Black, Hispanic, Asian, and White Friends growing up...

But Race, and Sex, came on my Horizon the Day in the Navy, when my soon to be Ex Wife got promoted to a rank above me, although she had much less time than I had in the Navy... and had never done a damn thing of note... while I had just returned from Desert Storm, where due to Personnel issues I had not only done my Job, but filled in for the jobs of the THREE Men above me, in a War zone... (ie, I had DONE the job of the three Men who HAD the rank I was not promoted to, in a War zone..).

2 Years later, I had transferred... and a Black subordinate of mine (same rank, I was senior) was promoted above me... he actually came to me and apologized... because we both knew, based on our records, that the only reason he was promoted above me was he was Black...

Needless to say, I'm bitter to this day because I was discriminated against because of my Race and Sex... it costs me thousands of dollars every year in retirement... and basically killed my Navy Career...

This was I the 90's.... My Son who just got out of the Navy, says its even worse now...

THIS is have you create a Bitter Clinger... this is how you created someone who now takes Race into consideration...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 01, 2016 12:02 PM (qf6WZ)

154 I've asked leftists what exactly it is that makes racism so evil?

They're normally taken aback by the question because they know it's evil because it's evil. They've never thought about why.

I said, "Isn't it evil because it robs a person of humanity and reduces his being to his race? He is then judged to be inferior and subhuman no matter what. That's pretty damn evil, right?"

"Yes."

"Aren't you doing the same thing then, except to whites?"

*Angry sputters and shouts of 'but, but, white PRIVILEDGE"*

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 01, 2016 12:03 PM (u0lmX)

155 54 I can remember thinking, back when Trump first announced he would run and started getting traction, that the Democrat party and progressive politics in general would die a sad, pathetic, schadenboner-licious death, and what remained of the Republican party would split up into a Trumpian "pragmatic" party and a Buckleyite + Neocon reactionary opposition.

Think that's what we're really seeing already? Maybe it's too soon to tell.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 01, 2016 11:43 AM (sK2fh)

Still too soon, but I have thought along those lines, also.

Posted by: Deplorable 98ZJUSMC at December 01, 2016 12:03 PM (MHq1d)

156 Have I mansplained this too harshly?

Very.

Posted by: eleven at December 01, 2016 12:03 PM (qUNWi)

157 Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 11:57 AM (BDZWU)

I hope your next possibility has got her mind right at least.

You know there's good women out there. Over the thanksgiving holiday I was at an event, lots of young women attended. Most of them looked stable and traditional, for lack of a better term. (I don't mean they were mousy types, to the contrary.)

Unfortunately the SJW types are ruling the media these days, gee I wonder why?

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:04 PM (jkmtt)

158 But when your rage puppets start to get out of control because they simply don't know how else to act...well, Chernobyl is another good analogy.

Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered

Sort of the point--either the raging hordes will sweep you into power, or give you pretext to seize power. They're pawns either way.

It's all madness, and it will either die with a West too weakened to survive, or be purged ruthlessly as the West transitions into...what, exactly? I don't know. I fear the Enlightenment was a brief hothouse flowering and the conditions no longer exist for what it wrought.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 01, 2016 12:04 PM (9krrF)

159 Yep. The Democrat Party.

Still segregationist after all these years.

Posted by: Jingo Unchained! at December 01, 2016 12:05 PM (VFhMt)

160
[T]he fixation on diversity in our schools and in the press has produced a generation of liberals and progressives narcissistically unaware of conditions outside their self-defined groups, and indifferent to the task of reaching out to Americans in every walk of life.

Heh.

I like irony almost as much as I like goldy or bronzey.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2016 12:05 PM (XWkhW)

161 Can the left jettison identity politics? The left long ago, probably at the very inception of "leftism" in American politics, became indelibly linked with the theories of Karl Marx, i.e., Marxism or socialism. The sine qua non of Marxism is divvying people up into classes, identifying which of the classes are privileged and which are not, and then pitting these classes against each other. So no, they can't. Progressives will truly be progressive when they progress beyond Marx, governmentalism, and their own power-mongering for their one-size-fits-all solutions for social problems.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at December 01, 2016 12:05 PM (XfHd6)

162 Apparently a lot of the smaller minority groups voted for Trump because they saw there was no place for them in the prog pecking order. Or, their groups had already experienced Hellary's tender mercy at some point and quite vehemently didn't want to do that again.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 01, 2016 12:06 PM (GDulk)

163 83 What I don't get is why Asians are so wed to the Democrat Party.
You would think if there was one "non-white" group of people that would reject that type of thinking it would be Asians. They tend to be culturally conservative, successful, and very rarely engage in "hate whitey" type nonsense.
But last I checked, I think they vote Democrat in higher % than Latinos.
Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 11:48 AM (g9iYn)

How's this for an explanation?

Asians traditionally are taught that the "protruding nail gets hammered down," and so focus on low profile, go along to get along, don't make waves strategies. (Kind of the inverse of The Tribe and the Muslims, in that respect, I'd say.) Work hard, keep your head down, play the piano, become a dentist, that sort of thing.

How do you avoid opprobrium in 21st century America? By subscribing to liberal/leftist nostrums.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (SRKgf)

164 I thought it very curious how many leftists claim
that encountering unwelcome viewpoints made them want to throw up.
(Starting with the precious flower at Harvard who said that on hearing
Larry Summers's comments, and continuing on through this election. I
don't think I've ever heard a non-leftist, i.e., a loyal American, ever
say that.)

You may have hit on the explanation.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:00 PM (SRKgf)

Not me, really. This guy:

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/ blog/
(take the space out)
SO much can be explained by this theory. I personally saw leftists ill in the aftermath, being in Canada. I have several gaming acquaintances who were still visibly depressed and ill more than a week later. And I had more than a few say how "scared, terrified," they were, and used other catastrophic/apocalyptic terminology that blew out even hyperbole.

Posted by: grognard at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (/29Nl)

165 I want you D.O.R.
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 01, 2016 11:55 AM (hk1x

I always got a chuckle out of that line. "I demand that you volunteer to quit."
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004

------

You should see what they asks of us.

Posted by: United States Army infantryman everywhere at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (hk1x8)

166 Sometimes, I wonder if they don't know exactly what they want, but just like the idea of screaming till their eyes water.

-
I suspect that the inconsistencies in their goals and arguments is not mere "loose shit" but an actual tactic. If you can incite the mob past rationality, you can get them to do anything.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (Nwg0u)

167 I think liberals want to believe that they are engaging in the noblest activity they can conceive of: self abasement because of their race.

But really I think they are being racist. They envision an Avatar type scenario in which they are the great white hope of an oppressed people who are too animalistic and primitive to survive or thrive on their own without the assistance of benevolent, enlightened liberals.

And then you have the purely power hungry liberals like LBJ, also racists in a similar vein. I don't give liberals any credit for having *any* noble impulses. They are condescending, narcissistic sh*ts who advocate fundamentally immoral policies.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (OkKDg)

168 Raysis.

Posted by: Saul Imsane at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (hoJm7)

169 What's the Holmes story by CT you mentioned? First I heard about it.

Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2016 12:02 PM (V+03K)

https://www.wattpad.com/299948082-the-dreadful-business-of-the-abernetty-family

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (CS7jF)

170 I like irony almost as much as I like goldy or bronzey.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2016 12:05 PM (XWkhW)

It has magnetic appeal.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:08 PM (SRKgf)

171 >>she said can I bring a friend which I though was weird

She was LITERALLY afraid you would physically hurt her.

Or worse, mansplain.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 01, 2016 12:08 PM (gTQoY)

172 99 Or as Cadet Mayo says in An Officer And A Gentleman... I got nowhere else to go!

Posted by: DocJ at December 01, 2016 11:51 AM (NYS7S)

I haven't seen that movie in a long time. Wouldn't mind seeing it again.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 01, 2016 12:09 PM (mpXpK)

173 Bertram Cabot, Jr @79:

"The Lives of Others"

Amazing movie. Remembering the elevator scene, and the red smudge on the note page.

Posted by: JPS at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (R/9Dn)

174 What's strange to me though is the Republican vote seems to keep going down. Trump barely outperformed Romney. We won because their side had even worse turnout.

Had Trump simply replicated Bush in 2004, he would have stomped Hillary Clinton into the ground into something approaching a Reagan landslide.

Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 11:58 AM (g9iYn)

Trump beat Romney's votes total by about 2 million votes. He beat Bush's 2004 total by about 600,000, and got more Electoral votes.

He got more votes than both of them, in more places that mattered.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (bMG0w)

175 I hope your next possibility has got her mind right at least.

You know there's good women out there. Over the thanksgiving holiday I was at an event, lots of young women attended. Most of them looked stable and traditional, for lack of a better term. (I don't mean they were mousy types, to the contrary.)

Unfortunately the SJW types are ruling the media these days, gee I wonder why?
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:04 PM (jkmtt)
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I've already noticed another young woman at the church I attend. She has a really devout air about her and very attractive to boot.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (BDZWU)

176 >>With Affirmative Action we put into law, a system whereby it was OK to
not only categorize by Race and Gender, but to reward members of some
groups.

Aaaand Don Q nails why the Left can't get rid of identity politics: There's too much to gain from it on an individual level. If they abandon it, then a lot of the loud-mouth activist grievance-studies types would have to work, show merit in order to insinuate themselves into society.

Just look at Obama and Hillary: What accomplishments did either of them have that warranted trusting them with the presidency????

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (NOIQH)

177 Conservatives in the Mist

Posted by: Grump928(c) at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (QQ+il)

178 >>>>she said can I bring a friend which I though was weird

I usually ask for an additional 3-4 friends and a small barnyard animal.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (MQZBa)

179 "The name is Suave. Rico Suave."

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 11:50 AM (PRtT5)

Several years ago, Eddie Murphy lent his voice to a Claymation sit-com, The PJs. In the Christmas episode, in order to make money, he has to be a repo man. When the owner of the repo service tells him he has a knack for the job, Murphy's character sighs, "Yeah, just call me Repo Suave."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (X6fMO)

180 Black people should have their own country. Seriously, I really said that and believe that.

Posted by: Keith Ellison, Future Head of the DNC at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (Tegl7)

181 What I don't get is why Asians are so wed to the Democrat Party.

You would think if there was one "non-white" group of people that
would reject that type of thinking it would be Asians. They tend to be
culturally conservative, successful, and very rarely engage in "hate
whitey" type nonsense.

But last I checked, I think they vote Democrat in higher % than Latinos.

Posted by: Maritime at December 01, 2016 11:48 AM

Look at where they all live. Concentrated blue areas. Los Angeles. The San Francisco Bay Area. Boston. New York. Why would they hitch their wagons to white people (which is what the GOP is, according to the left), when where they live, "white people" is the worst possible denigration?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (S2VsH)

182 This is why I never quite believed that Ace could somedayjoin the left to try to carve out some survivable cavity within that monster.

Because the left is only identity politics; they would have zero space for Ace, nor do I believe Ace could fake agree with identity politics for more than 10 seconds.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (4nTbg)

183 What's the Holmes story by CT you mentioned? First I heard about it.

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He posted it on Wattpad a few days ago and you can read it for free there.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (Nwg0u)

184 That Reason article by Robby Soave says that limiting immigration to the US violates the human rights of the immigrants.

Typical Reason.com Libertardarian. This is what too much pot does to your brain.

Posted by: VidOmnia at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (lqt/s)

185 I've already noticed another young woman at the church I attend. She has a really devout air about her and very attractive to boot.
Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (BDZWU)

Sounds more suitable. Good luck to you!

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (jkmtt)

186 I suspect that the inconsistencies in their goals
and arguments is not mere "loose shit" but an actual tactic. If you can
incite the mob past rationality, you can get them to do anything.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (Nwg0u)

Any beyond that, as we've been bandersnatching about, is that eventually you cannot appease all these groups you've brought together to use as rage puppets. Eventually, without fail, one group of sub-minorities will turn on the other group.

I just want a ring-seat and popcorn when the LBGT warriors turn on the Oppressed Muslims.

Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered at December 01, 2016 12:12 PM (2PHKP)

187 I usually ask for an additional 3-4 friends and a small barnyard animal.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke

Small? Really?

Posted by: Bruce at December 01, 2016 12:12 PM (8ikIW)

188 Did you guys know that Marshmallows aren't Magnetic?

I just learned that.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 01, 2016 12:12 PM (MQZBa)

189 http://www.anonymousconservative.com/ blog/
(take the space out)
SO much can be explained by this theory. I personally saw leftists ill in the aftermath, being in Canada. I have several gaming acquaintances who were still visibly depressed and ill more than a week later. And I had more than a few say how "scared, terrified," they were, and used other catastrophic/apocalyptic terminology that blew out even hyperbole.

Posted by: grognard at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (/29Nl)

Interesting. Thanks.

As an aside, what kind of idiot tries to deface something anonymously while sporting blue hair? That's pretty distinctive, even in a leftist stronghold.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:12 PM (SRKgf)

190 I've already noticed another young woman at the church I attend. She has a really devout air about her and very attractive to boot.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (BDZWU)

Warning Signs.

She may show up to your date dressed as a leather-clad dominatrix.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:12 PM (CS7jF)

191 178 Conservatives in the Mist
Posted by: Grump928(c) at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (QQ+il)

Is this a license to pre on the heads of leftists from a tree branch?

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 01, 2016 12:13 PM (Tegl7)

192 note to the Trump people (I know some of you must be here): I don't think you will be able to make it illegal to burn the flag

I don't know what a "Trump person" is. Does that mean someone who voted for him ?(I did) or agrees with everything he proposes (I don't). I think making it a crime to burn the flag is a bad idea; It just encourages lunatics to do it and do more of it for the attention factor.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2016 12:13 PM (tOcW/)

193 If you want to see the diversity left's dream vision you just have to watch the Matrix movie series with that in mind.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 01, 2016 12:13 PM (8w3qu)

194 Ever since I became interested in politics (1999), as a young white lower middle class trade school graduate, I wondered aloud to my father the following: "At what point can people just exist in our country without practically being forced to celebrate their being somehow different?"

I was 17 then and for years as I watched my fellow countrymen devolve into this... completely asinine new "way of life" where if one were too busy making a living to keep up with the "list of shit that apparently offends everyone", you were mocked, scorned, ridiculed and even worse, physically threatened.

Even now, when not with other folks like myself , my mask is ratchet strapped to my head for fear of the 'tolerant' and 'inclusive' scolding (or worse) I could receive.

It is clear however that the re-election of Pelosi.. PELOSI! the left has dug in and doubled down on the stupid new way of life as it were to THEM.

We have a long way to go, but with the election of Trump, their visceral hatred has been heavily exposed for what it is and what it should have never been.

Posted by: groovemetal at December 01, 2016 12:13 PM (GZSAO)

195 185 That Reason article by Robby Soave says that limiting immigration to the US violates the human rights of the immigrants.
Typical Reason.com Libertardarian. This is what too much pot does to your brain.
Posted by: VidOmnia at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (lqt/s)

Libertarianism = dorm room political philosophy for late adolescents

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:13 PM (SRKgf)

196 OFF TOPIC

Moron JP Mac is doing a sale on Hallow Mass (now $2.99) because it is our goodreads group read for January.
Check it out.

Link in nic

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 01, 2016 12:14 PM (Om16U)

197 Incentives matter.

For 40 years, whites have seen minorities receive greater and greater benefits by playing identity politics.

A 5% shift in the white vote is worth more than a 40% shift in the Hispanic vote.

There is also another attack here the leftists can't escape: Culture.

They keep telling vast swaths of Americans that their culture is wrong.

The most intimate part of your identity--after gender and family--is being attacked?

These whites leaving the Democratic Party? They're never coming back.

Also: Vox has an article that advises the Dems to double down on identity politics. Just pretend to pander to whites some more. Right.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2016 12:14 PM (e2Rx3)

198 170 Now and then a blind squirrel finds a nut but ace writes in such a verbose and sometime redundant style it's hard to struggle through all that. You desperately need an editor man, and if you can't find one you should do it yourself. Read it back and cruelly edit something you've already said or something irrelevant. or put a TLR summary at the top.

Posted by: docweasel at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (HDKZZ)

Ace needs to ban your pathetic whiny ass again.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:14 PM (bMG0w)

199 I haven't seen that movie in a long time. Wouldn't mind seeing it again.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 01, 2016 12:09 PM (mpXpK)

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Great casting.Very good acting and the pace was close to perfect..

Posted by: United States Army infantryman everywhere at December 01, 2016 12:14 PM (hk1x8)

200 122 >> What movie is this a review of?

P.C.U
Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2016 11:56 AM (NOIQH)

Highly underrated movie IMHO.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2016 12:15 PM (0mRoj)

201 A good companion to this post is the article in the Hill that Vic posted this AM:
http://bit.ly/2gINyFl
Really, what did the left think would happen when they at best ignored the concerns and interests of a sizable chunk of the population and at worse set them up as the cause of all evil in the world fit only to be sheared till they freeze? They should be relieved Trump won. The alternative might have been sudden and unpalatable to the denizens of the leftist bubble...

Posted by: Jackal at December 01, 2016 12:15 PM (P5lVw)

202 I see Glenn Kessler at WaPo has given Justin Trudeau 3 pinocchios for his fawning claims that the late Fidel "made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation".

Posted by: Jingo Unchained! at December 01, 2016 12:15 PM (VFhMt)

203 Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (BDZWU)

also thanks to you I now know what George RR Martin looks like.

eesh

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:15 PM (jkmtt)

204 Trump beat Romney's votes total by about 2 million
votes. He beat Bush's 2004 total by about 600,000, and got more
Electoral votes.

He got more votes than both of them, in more places that mattered.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (bMG0w)

If the GOPe party hadn't been hijacked by the liberal-lite RINOs, the real GOP would be crushing everything liberal in sight.
As it is, it takes a totally fucked up situation now to band together enough support to overcome a liberal opponent.

In other words, the GOPe is living on borrowed time. Or playing us. I'm not sure.

Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered at December 01, 2016 12:16 PM (2PHKP)

205 Diversity bad. Melting pot good.

Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2016 12:16 PM (Fmupd)

206 IS anyone else experiencing this?

There is some gawd-awful script running here this morning that is slowing my computer to a crawl.

Posted by: MTF at December 01, 2016 12:16 PM (sCBEO)

207 Once again, I am reminded of the Rule Of Anyway.

Any time we are told by someone that we cannot stand for Proper Policy X because "it will alienate minority group Y", just remember that those professionally aggrieved people in minority group Y would never vote for or like us anyway.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:16 PM (ujg0T)

208 Posted by: docweasel at December 01, 2016 12:07 PM (HDKZZ)

Ace needs to ban your pathetic whiny ass again.

Posted by: buzzion
Reading a lengthy, spot on, Ace post makes you a man dammit!

Posted by: Bruce at December 01, 2016 12:16 PM (8ikIW)

209 Interesting. Thanks.

As an aside, what kind of idiot tries to deface something
anonymously while sporting blue hair? That's pretty distinctive, even in
a leftist stronghold.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:12 PM (SRKgf)

You're welcome!

As for the second - they're pretty common here. At least 25% of the tween/teenaged girls now have blue/green/purple hair here. How rebellious!

But to actually do something like that? Their actions are totally justified by their feels. At least until the police say otherwise.

Then you get BLM.

Posted by: grognard at December 01, 2016 12:17 PM (/29Nl)

210 Feminine Supremacists live by the Althouse Rule:

You can note the differences between men and women, as long as your portray the feminine traits as superior.

Posted by: CJ at December 01, 2016 12:17 PM (9KqcB)

211 191 I've already noticed another young woman at the church I attend. She has a really devout air about her and very attractive to boot.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:10 PM (BDZWU)

Warning Signs.

She may show up to your date dressed as a leather-clad dominatrix.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:12 PM (CS7jF)

If by Warning Signs you mean you're about to have an awesome kinky time, Yes.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:17 PM (bMG0w)

212 193 note to the Trump people (I know some of you must be here): I don't think you will be able to make it illegal to burn the flag
I don't know what a "Trump person" is. Does that mean someone who voted for him ?(I did) or agrees with everything he proposes (I don't). I think making it a crime to burn the flag is a bad idea; It just encourages lunatics to do it and do more of it for the attention factor.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2016 12:13 PM (tOcW/)

I suspect that that was more of a head-fake than anything else. Trump probably isn't planning on wasting political capital on something so trifling. But it was an effective way of virtue-signaling to patriotic Americans, and setting a new atmosphere. Think George Patton in the eponymous movie slapping the soldier in the field hospital and then growling, "I ought to shoot you myself!" Was he planning on doing that? No. He was sending a message that would reverberate far and wide.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:17 PM (SRKgf)

213 Eventually, without fail, one group of sub-minorities will turn on the other group.

You mean like blacks and gays (gentrification, Prop

?

Blacks and Hispanics (Los Angeles neighborhoods)?

Muslims and...anyone?

They paper it over mostly, but it's been simmering for a while.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 01, 2016 12:18 PM (9krrF)

214 Democrats (and Fascists in general) have always been about identity politics. It's just in the 60's, they switched from whites to minorities.

Republicans have always been about equality under the law, and maximum freedom. When the Democrats (LBJ) started pushing the Great Society and other race based programs, the Republicans became conservative, wanting everyone to be equal.

Posted by: Walter Watson at December 01, 2016 12:18 PM (XAC7y)

215 But to actually do something like that? Their actions are totally justified by their feels. At least until the police say otherwise.

Then you get BLM.

Posted by: grognard at December 01, 2016 12:17 PM (/29Nl)

And the SA.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:18 PM (SRKgf)

216 From LawNewz.com:

Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein has been pushing hard for election recounts in several states. Wisconsin agreed, but then Stein demanded that the recount be done by hand, claiming that a manual recount would be more accurate than one done by machine. When the state Elections Commission rejected her, Stein sued, and was joined by Hillary Clinton in the legal effort. After a four-hour hearing on Tuesday evening, however, the court ruled against her.

So, no hand recount in WI.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:18 PM (PRtT5)

217 Posted by: AlaBAMA is triggered at December 01, 2016 11:58 AM (2PHKP)

"Rage puppet" is a great description. It shoes that the progs don't view their constituents as truly human either, so I guess it's no surprise they don't view us as human at all. To them *people* are either tools or obstructions to use the tools on. This is a truly Evil world view.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 01, 2016 12:18 PM (GDulk)

218 196 185 That Reason article by Robby Soave says that limiting immigration to the US violates the human rights of the immigrants.
Typical Reason.com Libertardarian. This is what too much pot does to your brain.
Posted by: VidOmnia at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (lqt/s)

Libertarianism = dorm room political philosophy for late adolescents
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:13 PM (SRKgf)

The reason.com hipsters just can't admit that their Libertarianism depends upon a set of cultural values that are, in fact, "Euro-centric", as the Multi-Commiecrats call them.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:19 PM (ujg0T)

219 As an aside, what kind of idiot tries to deface something
anonymously while sporting blue hair? That's pretty distinctive, even in a leftist stronghold.

WTF is it with blue hair, anyway? It's like a sure signifier of Queerhood or something.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 01, 2016 12:19 PM (9krrF)

220 Outstanding Ace. One of your best ever.

Posted by: Pyrocles, the Deplorable at December 01, 2016 12:19 PM (/mP6q)

221 With Affirmative Action we put into law, a system whereby it was OK to not only categorize by Race and Gender, but to reward members of some groups.

That wasn't really the main problem with affirmative action. It's not that some groups get rewarded in AA but that, SPECIFICALLY, people who are sub-standard are to be rewarded ... basically for being sub-standard and being from groups that underperform. That is the real problem with AA. If it were rewarding individuals in groups that overperform, to begin with, then there really wouldn't be much of a problem with AA since it would not be much different from a merit-based assessment. It is that AA sets out to intentionally force unqualified people into positions that is the serious problem.

Of course, forcing sub-standard and unqualified people into positions is one of the main strategies of the left, as it works to take apart our civilization. Chaos of any sort is exactly what the left is looking for.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2016 12:19 PM (zc3Db)

222 If by Warning Signs you mean you're about to have an awesome kinky time, Yes.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:17 PM (bMG0w)

Heh. If you've never seen the movie "Real Men" with Jim Belushi and the late John Ritter, there is a funny series of scenes in that which are relevant to this discussion. Hilarious movie.

http://tinyurl.com/Real-Men-Movie

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:20 PM (CS7jF)

223 I think it is so...liberating that we have finally reached a point in our country that you can be guilty of racism, or sexism, or any other liberal defined thought crime, not by actually doing something racist or sexist but by simple definition.

As a white male American of European Ancestry, I am directly and personally responsible for 99.995% of the world's problems, by definition. But for me, the real liberating part is, as an evil human, by definition, I also don't give a crap. Voting for Donald Trump (Lessor of Two Evils), owning guns, being conservative...none of these can make me any more evil so I guess I may as well do them all. Hell, I may just buy a full-sized SUV rather than the small SUV I drive now. Why not? Damned is damned.

Posted by: JB1000 at December 01, 2016 12:20 PM (16OL0)

224 If by Warning Signs you mean you're about to have an awesome kinky time, Yes.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:17 PM (bMG0w)

Considering you're dead, I don't think I want to know what you consider "an awesome kinky time."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2016 12:20 PM (X6fMO)

225 Well, I have decided.

I will not see this movie.

Posted by: The Arbiter of Deciding Between Decisions Which Will Have an Outcome at December 01, 2016 12:20 PM (3fl/N)

226 As for the second - they're pretty common here. At least 25% of the tween/teenaged girls now have blue/green/purple hair here. How rebellious!

These days the true counter-cultural rebels have natural hair color, no tats and no piercings.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2016 12:20 PM (0mRoj)

227 Diversity bad. Melting pot good.

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Al Sharoton evil.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:21 PM (Nwg0u)

228 WTF is it with blue hair, anyway? It's like a sure signifier of Queerhood or something.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 01, 2016 12:19 PM

On a girl, blue hair (particularly pastel blue hair) is a sure sign that she puts out on a first date. Think of it as peacock feathers.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 01, 2016 12:21 PM (S2VsH)

229 The American left can't get rid of identity politics. Here's why: The left, at least since the end of the 19th century is about redistribution of wealth. In homogeneous countries, the idea was that you appealed to the poor. As the Frankfurt School observed, this wouldn't fly in America since, A) there aren't that many poor, B ) the "poor" are relatively well off (by global standards) and C) Most of the poor want and plan to become, if not rich, at least non-poor, and have a reasonable shot at doing that.

So, if economic status won't work, you have to go to grievances, and that works best with minorities. And we do need to face the fact that for a good chunk of our history, we gave minorities plenty of reason to feel aggrieved.

The only way the left could give up identity politics is if they give up socialism. And if that happens, they pretty much cease to be the left.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at December 01, 2016 12:21 PM (zSMr0)

230 Posted by: JB1000 at December 01, 2016 12:20 PM (16OL0)

Just tell any SJW who wants to get in your face that s/he is not allowed to appropriate any of your technology that was developed in the past two centuries.

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:22 PM (jkmtt)

231
I suspect that that was more of a head-fake than anything else. Trump probably isn't planning on wasting political capital on something so trifling. But it was an effective way of virtue-signaling to patriotic Americans, and setting a new atmosphere. Think George Patton in the eponymous movie slapping the soldier in the field hospital and then growling, "I ought to shoot you myself!" Was he planning on doing that? No. He was sending a message that would reverberate far and wide.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:17 PM (SRKgf)

I don't think its a headfake. I think its something he actually believes. But yeah I doubt he'll spend much time on it. And a lot of people don't like it, even if they don't think it should be illegal. And its not going to hurt him that he does think it should be.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:22 PM (bMG0w)

232 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:21 PM

Al Sharoton? Is that a chain of luxury jihad hotels?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 01, 2016 12:22 PM (S2VsH)

233 >>the late Fidel "made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation". Posted by: Jingo Unchained! at December 01, 2016 12:15 PM (VFhMt)

Fidel also oversaw the evolution of a Cuban automobile industry that became the envy of the First World and the byword of innovation and luxury.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 12:22 PM (Bdeb0)

234 Also from LawNewz:

The Republican Party of Wisconsin filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission on Wednesday that alleges Jill Stein is allowing her campaign to be used as a front for Hillary Clinton's campaign in the recount effort. Stein has denied those allegations.

...

The GOP argues Stein's actions are essentially a coordinated $3.5 million expenditure on behalf of the Clinton campaign, in excess of the $2,000 amount allowed by federal campaign donations laws.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:22 PM (PRtT5)

235 WTF is it with blue hair, anyway? It's like a sure signifier of Queerhood or something.

It's also an anime thing, along with pink and green and other colors. My theory is that it was a way to separate characters visually, especially if they all were the same uniform or are otherwise pretty similar. (I mean, Japanese normally all have black or graying hair, so blondes or redheads would theoretically be just as exotic as neonheads.)

Or maybe it's just a random Japanese cultural thing, or random anime thing, like one artist did it and then it got copied.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at December 01, 2016 12:23 PM (u0s1P)

236 The phrase that pays is 'Racial Gerry-mongering'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 01, 2016 12:23 PM (1G5R8)

237 There is also another attack here the leftists can't escape: Culture.

They keep telling vast swaths of Americans that their culture is wrong.

Western and Asian cultures are more successful than other cultures. Therefore either those cultures are superior, or the people comprising it are themselves intrinsically superior. Kinda hard to get around that; success has to come from something, and it's not luck.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:23 PM (SRKgf)

238 Because the left has gotten along for so long, winning so easily by merely tossing out insults--all they have left are insults.

Look at their "outreach" to these groups that, voted for Obama twice, and now voted for Trump: Insults.

We don't even have to repeat them: We all here know them by heart, having heard them a dozen times a day for over 10 years.

That's their plan to win them back--"We shall insult you, berate you and mock you--you, your family, your religion, your neighbors, your city, your state, everything about you--until you vote the way we demand."

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2016 12:23 PM (e2Rx3)

239 Warning Signs.

She may show up to your date dressed as a leather-clad dominatrix.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:12 PM (CS7jF)
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I wouldn't mind the leather-clad part.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:23 PM (BDZWU)

240 >>Considering you're dead, I don't think I want to know what you consider "an awesome kinky time."

Schadenboner is Peruvian for Rigor Mortis of the Penis.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:23 PM (MQZBa)

241 the simple happenstance of belonging to an allegedly superior race, feeling a swell of unwarranted pride of not being among the supposedly inferior races.

Steelers fans 11ty! vs. Everyone

Posted by: DaveA at December 01, 2016 12:23 PM (8J/Te)

242 "One of the many lessons of the recent presidential election campaign and its repugnant outcome is that the age of identity liberalism must be brought to an end."

Wait. Nobody told him that Hillary lost?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (8ZskC)

243 So who is holding the bag today while Ace works out his frustrations?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (PsA/C)

244 I got your virtue signal right here!

Posted by: Fritz at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (2Mnv1)

245 IS anyone else experiencing this?

There is some gawd-awful script running here this morning that is slowing my computer to a crawl.

No.

Posted by: eleven at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (qUNWi)

246 I know that Ace and some COB's get pissed at me for saying this but I know this to be true.

The Left/Cultural Marxists end game is A Turner Diaries scenario.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (Tegl7)

247 I just checked Amazon video to see if I can watch that Officer and A Gentlemen with my prime account. Nope, $3.99 to "rent", This is why I am dropping prime. Every single movie that I have checked that I wanted to see is not included with prime. Hell add a few dollars to that and I can buy the damn DVD.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (mpXpK)

248 Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:22 PM (PRtT5)
============================

You've only been deplorable since 2004? What took you so long?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (bpfzP)

249 Ace can denounce intolerance and close-mindedness on the left all he wants to but they are deaf to the argument (just ask Prof. Lilla).

The practical reality is they will keep handing over elections, their so-called coalition will diminish and, in a closed-loop effect, will probably get even more radicalized. Without the academic bubble to protect her, Katherine Franke and her like-minded cohort would have to get jobs, interact with real people, and (generally speaking) live in the same world the rest of us live in. Their leftist activism would crash and burn, and Democrats would start winning some elections (probably).

It's twisted, but maybe Republicans should love the academy, love the non-profits and cheer on the Katherine Frankes of our time.

Posted by: MTF at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (sCBEO)

250 155 54 I can remember thinking, back when Trump first announced he would run and started getting traction, that the Democrat party and progressive politics in general would die a sad, pathetic, schadenboner-licious death, and what remained of the Republican party would split up into a Trumpian "pragmatic" party and a Buckleyite + Neocon reactionary opposition.

Think that's what we're really seeing already? Maybe it's too soon to tell.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 01, 2016 11:43 AM (sK2fh)

Patience. Lots of patience.

First, Trump hasn't been sworn in yet.

Secondly, identity politics is enounced in our media, universities, the Dem party, and even in the corporate world. It's not going to quietly lay down and die. We didn't get to this place overnight. People like Dineesh D'Sousa were writing books about PC back in the '80's. While it very well may be that leftist identity has reached it's zenith and is going through its' death agonies, those agonies might take years or even decades. And they will fight hard and ruthlessly to keep it going.

I think we on the right think this crap is so self-evidently absurd it will just die as soon as people stop and think about it. But socialism didn't die when the Berlin Wall came down. 9/11 didn't kill PC (which is what I thought would happen on 9/11.)

This is their religion we are talking about. Religions don't die easily.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (u0lmX)

251 >>Did you ever see that video of the girl who went nutter the day after Trump won? She should be in the care of a doctor, but served instead as the poster child for a 'concerned liberal party'. She. was. unhinged.

It's so weird. First, they are so over-the-top, and then they think they should be that way and should share it with the world.

If they'd read Shakespeare, their favorite line would be "all the world's a stage".

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (gTQoY)

252 Or maybe it's just a random Japanese cultural thing, or random anime thing, like one artist did it and then it got copied.

Posted by: Lance McCormick

/looks at pics of blue-haired SJWs

Ain't nobody mistaking this crew for the cast of a harem show.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (9krrF)

253 >>In other words, the GOPe is living on borrowed time. Or playing us. I'm not sure.

Nah. The GOP was as largely blind to what was happening as most people. It's only become obvious more recently what has really been going on.

Some were squishes. Some were well meaning but deluded. I think many have woken up to what is going on. I think you are going to see a lot of the same people who acted RINOish move a lot more decisively to the right.

But politicians rarely lead movements in a democracy, they follow.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2016 12:25 PM (/tuJf)

254 If I really had privilege I'd have a job and they'd STFU.

Posted by: DaveA at December 01, 2016 12:26 PM (8J/Te)

255 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM

If you have a Rasputin's or other decent used video/music store near you, you can probably buy the movie for less!

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 01, 2016 12:26 PM (S2VsH)

256 >>WTF is it with blue hair, anyway? It's like a sure signifier of Queerhood or something.

Aposematism, or the deliberate ugliness of feminism...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/gtwokxa

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2016 12:26 PM (NOIQH)

257 I don't think its a headfake. I think its something he actually believes.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:22 PM (bMG0w)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I think he actually believes it, too. By "headfake" I meant it was something he was throwing out there to indicate where his sentiments lay (lie?), and to send a message, and to set a tone, but not something he was seriously planning on pursuing.

Contrast this with Barky voicing support for BLM, Muslims, and other shitheads. He doesn't do anything about it, but he sets a tone by talking favorably about them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:26 PM (SRKgf)

258 I know that Ace and some COB's get pissed at me for saying this but I know this to be true.

The Left/Cultural Marxists end game is A Turner Diaries scenario.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist

They have a different ending in mind, of course.

Not that they'll get it. Or the written one.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 01, 2016 12:26 PM (9krrF)

259 Aposematism, or the deliberate ugliness of feminism...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/gtwokxa

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2016 12:26 PM (NOIQH)

For most feminists, working on deliberate ugliness is a coals to Newcastle proposition.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:27 PM (SRKgf)

260 WTF is it with blue hair, anyway? It's like a sure signifier of Queerhood or something.
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Or you're an 82 year old Lutheran.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 01, 2016 12:27 PM (bpfzP)

261 Of course, forcing sub-standard and unqualified people into positions is one of the main strategies of the left, as it works to take apart our civilization. Chaos of any sort is exactly what the left is looking for.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2016 12:19 PM (zc3Db)

And I think we have to start calling them on it.

Call it Clean and Sober McCarthyism.

Tailgunner Joe had the right idea, he just let the booze bottle do his thinking.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:27 PM (ujg0T)

262 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:21 PM

Al Sharoton? Is that a chain of luxury jihad hotels?

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You know very well I meant Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:28 PM (Nwg0u)

263 By the way, if you haven't seen it - the MELT DOWN of the Young Turks on election day is absolutely one of the funniest things I have ever seen. A scripted sit-com absolutely could not have been better done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO4xfj0ISoY

Posted by: An Observation at December 01, 2016 12:28 PM (4HS8l)

264 Libertarianism = dorm room political philosophy for late adolescents Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:13 PM (SRKgf)
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In the old days, Reagan reached out to the 'libertarians' of the time with a message of less government interference.

Maybe the current incarnation of 'libertinism' is the left's subversion.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2016 12:28 PM (MIKMs)

265 I thought my schadenboner from yesterday would have lost some of its turgidity.

Wrong. Wrong.

I've been pushing cotton all morning and loving every minute of it.

More identity politics, please.

Posted by: MacGruber at December 01, 2016 12:28 PM (C278+)

266 256 If you have a Rasputin's or other decent used video/music store near you, you can probably buy the movie for less!

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 01, 2016 12:26 PM (S2VsH)

The last decent video store we had near us went out of buisness. Now its Walmart bargain bin, Red Box rental, or Amazon.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 01, 2016 12:28 PM (mpXpK)

267
Well, I have decided.

I will not see this movie.
Posted by: The Arbiter of Deciding

You have no choice, Comrade.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2016 12:28 PM (IqV8l)

268 254 >>In other words, the GOPe is living on borrowed time. Or playing us. I'm not sure.

Nah. The GOP was as largely blind to what was happening as most people. It's only become obvious more recently what has really been going on.

Some were squishes. Some were well meaning but deluded. I think many have woken up to what is going on. I think you are going to see a lot of the same people who acted RINOish move a lot more decisively to the right.

But politicians rarely lead movements in a democracy, they follow.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2016 12:25 PM (/tuJf)

THIS.

Honestly? I think a lot of these GOPe or RINO types just need spine implants.

Although others, like the WSJ crowd, are just cynically exploiting these issues for cheap labor and globalism.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:29 PM (ujg0T)

269 You've only been deplorable since 2004? What took you so long?
Posted by: grammie winger at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (bpfzP)

2004 was when I first discovered AoSHQ. Before that, my deplorableness was undocumented.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:29 PM (PRtT5)

270 Therefore either those cultures are superior, or the people comprising it are themselves intrinsically superior.
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I blame the rivers. Like seriously. No rivers anywhere else dudes.

Posted by: Jared Diamond at December 01, 2016 12:29 PM (X7E8f)

271 At some point though, there simply won't be enough white votes anymore to offset this.

So will this stuff work for Democrats when whites are in the minority?
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That's just it: Whites, by any count, won't be a minority in many states for decades--some, it won't happen ever. (NB: TX is a minority-majority state now.)

So, the Dems strategy of focusing on minority votes, as you pointed out, only worked if they were getting a near-equal share of the white vote.

Now, they've lost that and--by all counts--are doing everything they can to lose even more.

That's where culture comes in: Nobody likes a loser.

And the Dems are setting themselves as the loser party--no power, nothing to offer except in the cities and coastal areas.

While the R's will be offering a winning program that benefits everyone.

Note the exit polling on rural Hispanics--Hillary lost huge amounts of them to Trump.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2016 12:29 PM (e2Rx3)

272 185 That Reason article by Robby Soave says that limiting immigration to the US violates the human rights of the immigrants.

Typical Reason.com Libertardarian. This is what too much pot does to your brain.

Posted by: VidOmnia at December 01, 2016 12:11 PM (lqt/s)
==========================

What's wrong with that statement. It's ipso facto true.

Your argument is with the false moral load that goes along with Soave's argument, which he doesn't address. Maybe (or probably) more along the lines of "yes, it limits the migrants human rights, as does any law, and that statement is therefore meaningless. Put another way, so what?"

Posted by: MTF at December 01, 2016 12:29 PM (sCBEO)

273 You've only been deplorable since 2004? What took you so long?
Posted by: grammie winger at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (bpfzP)

2004 was when I first discovered AoSHQ. Before that, I was merely irredeemable.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:29 PM (PRtT5)

274 2004 was when I first discovered AoSHQ. Before that, my deplorableness was undocumented.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004

Would that make lurkers undocumented Morons?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 01, 2016 12:30 PM (9krrF)

275 From what I have seen, blue/green hair are major warning signs. Pink/purple are less so.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 01, 2016 12:30 PM (X7E8f)

276
Secondly, identity politics is enounced in our media, universities, the Dem party, and even in the corporate world. It's not going to quietly lay down and die. We didn't get to this place overnight. People like Dineesh D'Sousa were writing books about PC back in the '80's. While it very well may be that leftist identity has reached it's zenith and is going through its' death agonies, those agonies might take years or even decades. And they will fight hard and ruthlessly to keep it going.

I think we on the right think this crap is so self-evidently absurd it will just die as soon as people stop and think about it. But socialism didn't die when the Berlin Wall came down. 9/11 didn't kill PC (which is what I thought would happen on 9/11.)

This is their religion we are talking about. Religions don't die easily.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 01, 2016 12:24 PM (u0lmX)

But, like bell bottoms, it can go out of fashion, and those manifesting it can be the subject of laughter and derision.

That'll stop it, fast. Think how socially insecure liberals are. A bit of mockery and they will swear to God that they were never liberals. After 1981 it seemed impossible to find anyone who supported Jimmy Carter, even among those who hated Reagan. Carter became an unperson.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:31 PM (SRKgf)

277 Before that, my deplorableness was undocumented.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:29 PM (PRtT5)
============================

Ahhh. Undocumented. Right. Around here we call that "illegal deplorable".

Posted by: grammie winger at December 01, 2016 12:31 PM (bpfzP)

278 Perhaps one of the best posts ever.

You speak the exact words my presupposed-by-the-left benited heart has been screaming.

If one good thing comes from the Trump ascendancy, it's that finally we are free, and have monumentally pushed back, against the Left's imposed and invented realities yoked upon us.

Posted by: JB at December 01, 2016 12:31 PM (XW8Ve)

279 259 I know that Ace and some COB's get pissed at me for saying this but I know this to be true.

The Left/Cultural Marxists end game is A Turner Diaries scenario.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist

They have a different ending in mind, of course.

Not that they'll get it. Or the written one.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 01, 2016 12:26 PM (9krrF)

Yes. But you get my point. They want a race/culture war against White European Christains (Men) to cause chaos and the destruction of Our Country.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 01, 2016 12:31 PM (Tegl7)

280 Would that make lurkers undocumented Morons?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable
Unicode Character at December 01, 2016 12:30 PM (9krrF)

Exactly.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM (PRtT5)

281 I wouldn't mind the leather-clad part.

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:23 PM (BDZWU)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/Hey-big-boy-How-bout-a-drink

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM (CS7jF)

282 The identity politics is not just about race. As a conservative I have been told to varying degrees that:
-I hate the earth
-I hate science
-I hate mentally ill people (druggies/transgender/vegetarians)
-I hate poor people
-I should hate rich people
-I hate animals
-I hate criminals even though they are only that way because I hate poor people
-I hate children (the ones that have made it out of the abortion gauntlet anyway)
-I hate old people
-I hate the disabled
-I hate all non-worshipping christians

"Hate". I have been accused, continuously, of actually hating all of these things. And typically the proof that is given of my hate is that I don't want to pay more out of my pocket for something some dipshit in Washington has concocted that he says will help these groups.

Not sure why I would get a little jaded after a while.

Posted by: ajmojo at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM (1H9ox)

283 One of the many lessons of the recent presidential election campaign and
its repugnant outcome is that the age of identity liberalism must be
brought to an end.

But then you'd be on our side. And the outcome wouldn't be 'repugnant'.

In other words, I don't think you can bring yourself to do it. You will at most disguise yourselves.

Posted by: t-bird at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM (2z74n)

284 >>Call it Clean and Sober McCarthyism.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:27 PM (ujg0T)

Submitted for consideration: Serving members of Congress who suggest that islands can "tip over and capsize" should be (gently, safely) removed from office.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM (Bdeb0)

285 This is their religion we are talking about. Religions don't die easily.

Posted by: Donna and V.

If the Left owns the 'cathedrals' and 'pulpits' of academia, it will never die.

Fortunately the post-modern university is becoming useless to industry. Four years of indoctrination in social zealotry isn't what productive organizations want or need.

What multinational wants a bunch of screaming Savonarolas as product managers?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM (1G5R8)

286 276 From what I have seen, blue/green hair are major warning signs. Pink/purple are less so.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 01, 2016 12:30 PM (X7E8f)
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Very true. My friend's girlfriend has green hair. Also very overweight and voted for Hillary based on "women's issues."

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM (BDZWU)

287 I do not believe you must defer to me, but I'll be damned to Hell before I'm bullied into deferring to you. Go fuck yourselves in the heart with a knife, Racist. Sexist. Islamist. Whatever brand of hateful Other-hating I'm-superior-because-of-my-DNA-or-randomly-determined-cultural-baggage supremacist you are.

Amen amen amen and amen.

Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at December 01, 2016 12:33 PM (mf5HN)

288 272 At some point though, there simply won't be enough white votes anymore to offset this.

So will this stuff work for Democrats when whites are in the minority?

And *this* is why we need an immigration "time out" for a while, and policies that encourage Affordable Family Formation, which would be chiefly but not solely White, again.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:33 PM (ujg0T)

289 184 ... Anonosaurus Wrecks (I'll try to get your nic correct),

Thanks for the location of CT's story.

Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2016 12:33 PM (V+03K)

290 Ahhh. Undocumented. Right. Around here we call that "illegal deplorable".

Posted by: grammie winger at December 01, 2016 12:31 PM (bpfzP)

That's because you're obviously a racist and a bigot. By the way, how was your bingo orgy?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:33 PM (PRtT5)

291 At some point though, there simply won't be enough white votes anymore to offset this.

***
The left uses the government to take money (and rights) from the outgroup and give them to the in group - this is a central part of how they work.

If the out group grows small, or doesn't have enough money, the whole bribery scheme falls apart - not enough serfs for all the would be lords...

That's why the left, when it can't hide theft, tries to confine it to 49% of the electorate.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 01, 2016 12:33 PM (X7E8f)

292 Bill Whittle has an excellent Afterburner episode on the role of the narrative, identity politics and political correctness in the Marxist push for power in the west. Basically morphing class struggle into racial struggle because class struggle didn't work too well revolution wise in prosperous Western democracies.

I tried to post the link in in the URL line but got the message that youtube "has been banned." Don't want to screw up the creaky blog code by including the link in body copy, but its easy enough to find with a few search terms.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at December 01, 2016 12:33 PM (USf3s)

293 Keith "The Eel" Ellison missteps on his quest to run the DNC.

http://tinyurl.com/gtnzdjh

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:34 PM (Nwg0u)

294 I'm at a point where if I read or hear someone describing others and skin color is mentioned, I internally label them as racist and nothing they say is of importance to me. If the topic is statistiics or demographics, that's another story and mentioning skin color is necessary, as in saying that 13% of the US population is black.

But, for instance, when someone is told to check their white privilege, the person saying that is racist in my book. Same with the BLM crowd in saying that only black lives matter.

The whole issue of identity politics to me is lazy and shallow. The left looks for an unsatisfactory characteristic in people, labels them as that and forever puts them in a box without any consideration of context or the wide spectrum of characteristics that that we all have. It's lazy. People are complex and can't be labelled with a single word.

Posted by: Marmeaux at December 01, 2016 12:34 PM (xujbM)

295 That's because you're obviously a racist and a bigot. By the way, how was your bingo orgy?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:33 PM (PRtT5)

Many an "O" was heard.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2016 12:34 PM (0mRoj)

296 Aposematism, or the deliberate ugliness of feminism...

Can I hijack the thread a moment to sound off on why I hate, hate, HATE tattoos on women?

A beautiful woman - hell, even a not-so-beautiful woman, but one who enjoys being feminine - has a body that is a like a pure, unblemished canvas. Why on earth would you deface that canvas with idiographs or skulls or flowers or whatever random shit appeals to you while you're sucking on your eight-dollar latte and sexting your pajama boy BFF?

Why the hell do so many girls / women / wymyn / whatever hate being women, anyway?

**rant off**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2016 12:34 PM (X6fMO)

297 I don't care a fig for skin color. I care what a person does, period.

Calling me racist because I'm white doesn't irritate me anymore than any other insult.

Shrug. My conscience is clear, let the crap rise away.

Anyway, good post Ace.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 01, 2016 12:34 PM (UHLlC)

298 Remember how during the debates, Trump would mention the factory worker in OH or PA? Or the family in FL, struggling to pay their Obamacare premium?
And Hillary would counter with a shout-out to women, gays, blacks or Hispanics?

I thought that was glaring: One was trying to expand his voter base and the other was trying to shore up their voting base.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2016 12:35 PM (e2Rx3)

299 >>Honestly? I think a lot of these GOPe or RINO types just need spine implants.

They need to get out of DC.

Look at what happens to a GOP Senator or Congressman over time. They live in a bubble, their freinds and neighbors are all Lefties - fellow politicians, lobbyists, media, non-profits, etc. These lose all touch of what life is like in their home state, like frogs in slowly boiled water.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2016 12:35 PM (NOIQH)

300 Always been a sucker for a cute chick with Blue hair.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:36 PM (MQZBa)

301 And I think we have to start calling them on it.

Call it Clean and Sober McCarthyism.

Tailgunner Joe had the right idea, he just let the booze bottle do his thinking.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:27 PM (ujg0T)

We really had a chance back then to put a dagger in the heart of the left. They of course fought back with everything they had and we, for various reasons, weren't successful in rooting the commie bastards out. It's just too bad McCarthy and others weren't successful.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2016 12:36 PM (493sH)

302 The worrisome thing about the left's hyper-emotional reaction to this election is that it will inevitably lead to leftist terrorism, just as Nixon's crushing victory in 1968 led to the Weathermen and such among those who couldn't let it go.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:36 PM (SRKgf)

303 http://preview.tinyurl.com/Hey-big-boy-How-bout-a-drink
Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM (CS7jF)

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/450/154/820.jpeg

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:36 PM (BDZWU)

304 People with little achievement in their accounts may pat themselves on the back for the simple happenstance of belonging to an allegedly superior race, feeling a swell of unwarranted pride of not being among the supposedly inferior races.

Putting aside the "little achievement" element for the time being, I would take issue with this whole line of thought. It is not simple "happenstance" that someone is of a certain race or ethnicity or nationality or family. It is who they are. If the situation were any different ... they would be someone else, entirely - i.e. "he" would not exist at all.

There is nothing unwarranted about taking pride in who one is - whether one has personal accomplishments or not. It is not always the individual who makes the accomplishments that defends the existence of a family or group but that person's progeny ... and it takes only one to accomplish enough to defend the exitence of his descendants for many years to come. The Greeks haven't done anything in the past 2000 years, but the genius of the ancient Greeks was so great that they bought the ethnic legitimacy of their descendants for these thousands of years. That's how great their genius was - and such genius is, indeed, rewarded by bestowing some pride in the heritable line. And rightfully so.

The problem is with people who make up bullshit about their group's/family's alleged accomplishments and contributions and then try to use those fantasies to claim that they are proud of who they are - even though they had to make up laughable, unbelievable lies about who their ancestors were or who their contemporaries are and what they actually do.

I have no problem with people who are rightfully proud of their families and groups that have legitimately contributed great works and inventions to the world or demonstrated raw intellectual power. Half the reason that people do those things is to buy legitimate pride for their families, descendants and society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2016 12:36 PM (zc3Db)

305 Have I mansplained this too harshly?

Yes...*sob*

Posted by: Trigglypuff at December 01, 2016 12:37 PM (vtcmf)

306 Posted by: 18-1 at December 01, 2016 12:30 PM (X7E8f)

Yes, the green is problematic. Saw an old lady, silver haired, with hideous emerald green streaks in her mane. Which of course were coordinated with her emerald green manicure (with additional glittery goodness.)

The prismatic hair on young women can be seen as fun or rebellious or whatever at least. But on a 50+ woman? wtf

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:37 PM (jkmtt)

307
At some point though, there simply won't be enough white votes anymore to offset this.

So will this stuff work for Democrats when whites are in the minority?

That's why you see articles celebrating the "browning" of America.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2016 12:38 PM (IqV8l)

308 Bill Whittle has an excellent Afterburner episode on the role of the narrative, identity politics and political correctness in the Marxist push for power in the west. Basically morphing class struggle into racial struggle because class struggle didn't work too well revolution wise in prosperous Western democracies.

Divide and conquer. It's as old as the Romans, probably older. The Reds' strategy: split the enemy - in this case, America - into squabbling subgroups that can be picked off piecemeal.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:38 PM (SRKgf)

309 I know that Ace and some COB's get pissed at me for saying this but I know this to be true.

The Left/Cultural Marxists end game is A Turner Diaries scenario.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist

Probably in part because that's a paranoid reading of history.

Not all social friction ends in open conflict. If you study history , you'll notice social conflict is the norm. Most conflict just gets washed away by time and events. It's only because wars are dramatic that we might think otherwise.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 01, 2016 12:38 PM (1G5R8)

310 Lots of good stories on WZ this morning. Stabby McRun'emover was taking a course in microaggressions with a project due this week. I'm saying he deserves an A.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:38 PM (Nwg0u)

311 >>Can I hijack the thread a moment to sound off on why I hate, hate, HATE tattoos on women?

This.

1000 x this.

I'll go one further. I hate Ace's ankle tat.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:39 PM (MQZBa)

312
Thirty four megabytes for the two art pictures and this 187kb opinion piece with commentary.

I have 1.5 GB left in my budget, and fourteen days remaining, that's 100MB a day. And 1/3 of today's allocation was used up in twelve minutes.

I'm thinking the only way to avoid bits being forced down my pipe is to stay offline.

Oh wait, I was online earlier; so two thirds of today's bit budget has already been used up. (I was checking the weather to get an idea how long it will continue snowing. Lota ads on weather.com. And click bait. Lota click bait.)

Posted by: Loyd Fairweather at December 01, 2016 12:39 PM (Hi3Xc)

313 The prismatic hair on young women can be seen as fun or rebellious or whatever at least. But on a 50+ woman? wtf

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:37 PM (jkmtt)

She's having a particularly difficult and protracted adolescence.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:39 PM (SRKgf)

314 they literally hate people of different races or genders and
want them to either 1, assume the correct posture of deference and
second-class citizenship as God has willed it or 2, simply die away and
depart the planet forever.

Submission, or die! Humm, where have I heard that before?

Posted by: Paladin at December 01, 2016 12:40 PM (ycm4Q)

315 ...or put a TLR summary at the top.

Dude.. just wow

a TLR summary. Because what? Reading is a struggle for you? Ace's command of the English language is inspiring and should be celebrated throughout by college folks like yourself.

How fucking LAZY can you be?

Posted by: groovemetal at December 01, 2016 12:40 PM (GZSAO)

316 MI recount objection will be filed today.

Hearing tomorrow.

Assume the State Board of Canvassers is deadlocked (2D, 2R). They now could take up to 5 days to rule.

Add at least 2 business days to elapse after decision date for recount to start.

Earliest recount start: Wednesday 12/7. Latest: Monday 12/12.

Ain't happening. Let's save the MI taxpayers $4 million.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 01, 2016 12:40 PM (xAAUf)

317
What's all this about birthing?

Posted by: Bracky Obama at December 01, 2016 12:40 PM (ODxAs)

318 The Left/Cultural Marxists end game is A Turner Diaries scenario.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist

It is. Some of the more special progs are wanting to start up their own militias!

Too funny.

Posted by: Deplorable 98ZJUSMC at December 01, 2016 12:41 PM (MHq1d)

319 There are 2 states where Trump didn't win a single county...

Massachusetts (where, of course, I live - Lord help me)
Hawaii

That's it.

So even in the Acela Media Corridor, Trump managed to win in places that were thought to be "off limits" for Republicans. For example, Trump out-performed Romney in terms of percentage lost in every state he lost except...

Commiefornia
Massachusetts (Lord help me)
Washington State
Washington DC

Seriously, unless Trump utterly implodes I have a hard time believing the Democrats come back from this.

Posted by: DocJ at December 01, 2016 12:41 PM (NYS7S)

320 Lots of good stories on WZ this morning. Stabby McRun'emover was taking a course in microaggressions with a project due this week. I'm saying he deserves an A.

But he has to collect the grade in person or he fails.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 12:41 PM (SgI6S)

321 Excellent. The only thing you forgot is that the atheist is superior to the religious because "spaghetti god" and "fairy tales."

Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2016 12:42 PM (a3mAZ)

322 Yeah, its been pretty obvious that instead of color-blind, we were heading towards color-supremacy, but a weird supremacy being based on being the most victimized.

A major cause for the left to retain this SJW color based system is that communism failed.

So economic class-based leftism failed.

What to do?

Replace Class Warfare with Identity Warfare.

Replace Economic Marxism with Cultural Marxism.

Instead of Workers Rise Up, its People of Color Rise Up.

BTW, if you think about it, its very Nazi, just with the jews being the white males.

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:42 PM (UBBWX)

323 >>Posted by: Loyd Fairweather at December 01, 2016 12:39 PM (Hi3Xc)

Pro Tip : You don't have to watch ALL the porn in HD.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:42 PM (MQZBa)

324 Thanks for the location of CT's story.

Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2016 12:33 PM (V+03K)

I popped a link to that story in at #169 above for you.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:42 PM (CS7jF)

325 It is. Some of the more special progs are wanting to start up their own militias!

With what? Not icky guns.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 12:43 PM (SgI6S)

326 283 The identity politics is not just about race. As a conservative I have been told to varying degrees that:

-I hate science

Posted by: ajmojo at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM (1H9ox)

I've been told (by people who don't anything about me) that I'm anti-science, anti-education, and anti-intellectual.

Good times, good times.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:43 PM (SRKgf)

327 I think the Scooby/ambulance/van from Hillary's passout performance is for sale on CL:

http://alturl.com/ocm2j

Text from ad:

Slightly used Conversion Van, armored with all the bells and whistles. Used to get around during the election cycle and no longer needed

Looks just like the one in the video.

Unless it is a scam/prank the location is where Hillary's house is in DC.

Posted by: blaster at December 01, 2016 12:43 PM (tewYv)

328
Excellent piece Ace.

Exactly what I would have said, except I don't write very well and can't spell.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 01, 2016 12:43 PM (ODxAs)

329 http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/450/154/820.jpeg

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:36 PM (BDZWU)

Indeed. She puts the Bone in Boner.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (CS7jF)

330 Identity politics is the whole of leftism now."

Now?

Sure...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (C9pBZ)

331 >>322
Excellent. The only thing you forgot is that the atheist is superior to the religious because "spaghetti god" and "fairy tales." Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2016 12:42 PM (a3mAZ)

I'm not sure that's exactly so, but it makes for a pithy comment.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (Bdeb0)

332 Seriously, unless Trump utterly implodes I have a hard time believing the Democrats come back from this.

Posted by: DocJ

The Left said the exact same thing in reverse in 2008.

Nothing is permanent, politics even less so.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (1G5R8)

333 Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:42 PM (UBBWX)

Losers of the world, unite!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (SRKgf)

334 What's all this about birthing? Posted by: Bracky Obama at December 01, 2016 12:40

WTF cares? Get me the hell out of this damned hut!

Posted by: Bracky's brother at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (vtcmf)

335 Very true. My friend's girlfriend has green hair. Also very overweight and voted for Hillary based on "women's issues."

Posted by: Independent George (or the commenter formerly known as Serenity Now!) at December 01, 2016 12:32 PM

But I'll bet she was easy to get in the sack. That's how nature works. Pretty girls attract the best mates. Fat girls use promiscuity to snag themselves a beta. Feminists rage against nature for precisely these reasons.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (S2VsH)

336 Also, how smart do you have to be to live life based on SJW identity politics?

Its pretty easy. This means it will be popular.

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (UBBWX)

337 The Left said the exact same thing in reverse in 2008.

Nothing is permanent, politics even less so.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (1G5R

Absolutely - and unfortunately - true.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (SRKgf)

338 I'll go one further. I hate Ace's ankle tat.

Butterfly?

Posted by: eleven at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (qUNWi)

339 >>339
I'll go one further. I hate Ace's ankle tat. Butterfly? Posted by: eleven at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (qUNWi)

Dolphin. Or clover. Or plate of shrimp.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 12:45 PM (Bdeb0)

340 Can I hijack the thread a moment to sound off on why I hate, hate, HATE tattoos on women?

This.

1000 x this.

I'll go one further. I hate Ace's ankle tat. Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:39 PM (MQZBa)

I hate them on everyone. In fact, I'll actually not give my business to a store or service if your employee has tats. I hate them that much.

Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2016 12:45 PM (a3mAZ)

341 294 Keith "The Eel" Ellison missteps on his quest to run the DNC.

http://tinyurl.com/gtnzdjh
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 12:34 PM (Nwg0u)

---------------

I hope it doesn't hurt his chances. As repubs, we should insist that Keith Ellison be the DNC chair.

Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2016 12:45 PM (Fmupd)

342 >>Butterfly?

3 Dolphin Anklet

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:45 PM (MQZBa)

343 We know what happened after the last, great "stabbed-in-the-back" theory....

Posted by: SFGoth at December 01, 2016 12:45 PM (dZ756)

344 Hillary Clinton was at her best and most uplifting when she spoke about American interests in world affairs...

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For instance, destroying Libya and Syria.

Posted by: RKae at December 01, 2016 12:46 PM (JTuAn)

345 Some of the more special progs are wanting to start up their own militias!

Next up: terrorist cells.

You heard it here first.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:46 PM (SRKgf)

346 303 The worrisome thing about the left's hyper-emotional reaction to this election is that it will inevitably lead to leftist terrorism, just as Nixon's crushing victory in 1968 led to the Weathermen and such among those who couldn't let it go.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:36 PM (SRKgf)

As I posted earlier about Joe McCarthy, if leftist terrorism like that *does* pop up, then we hit back hard. Revive the HUAC. Another Dies Committee. Organized blacklisting of Commiewood celebs.

I am so waiting for a moment where one of theirs squeals, "Waah! You're questioning my patriotism!" a la Mike Dukakis in 1988, and one of ours replies, "Damn right I am, you treasonous (son of a) bitch...."

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:46 PM (ujg0T)

347 The Left said the exact same thing in reverse in 2008.

You're right, of course. Then again, one could argue that Obama, largely, imploded.

He certainly imploded his own party.

Posted by: DocJ at December 01, 2016 12:46 PM (NYS7S)

348 I guess now the left can never run a white male candidate for president ever again.

Posted by: brak at December 01, 2016 12:46 PM (guIHw)

349 "Losers of the world, unite!"

Its really not that far off.

Why learn a political philosophy of liberty and economic freedom, which implies hard work and responsibility?

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:47 PM (UBBWX)

350 I'll actually not give my business to a store or service if your employee has tats. I hate them that much

Uh, rather extreme but to each their own...

Posted by: Bracky's brother at December 01, 2016 12:47 PM (vtcmf)

351 I'm not sure that's exactly so, but it makes for a pithy comment.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 12:44 PM (Bdeb0)
It's what the cultural marxists profess. Same identity politics bs.

Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2016 12:47 PM (a3mAZ)

352 I was talking to my kids friends and they were gripping about life. I said, heck, you guys got it so good. I grew up poor, and my father was a penniless immigrant. You know what there response was?

"You are so lucky."

I was lucky to be poor. My father was lucky to get shot at by Nazis. Lucky.

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (UgF8H)

353 Serious You Guys!

We need the Hispanics. Without them, we'll never win another election.

Bonus : They are Natural Conservatives.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (MQZBa)

354 Slightly used Conversion Van, armored with all the bells and whistles. Used to get around during the election cycle and no longer needed

Looks just like the one in the video.

Unless it is a scam/prank the location is where Hillary's house is in DC.

Did they get the urine and puke smell out?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (SgI6S)

355 "Next up: terrorist cells."

I already have several people on FB claiming they are "joining the resistance."

Enough people think in terms of war-metaphors, someone will act in those terms.

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (UBBWX)

356 308
At some point though, there simply won't be enough white votes anymore to offset this.

So will this stuff work for Democrats when whites are in the minority?

That's why you see articles celebrating the "browning" of America.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2016 12:38 PM (IqV8l)

Well, I can think of a solution to there being not enough white people.

:puts on Drakkar Noir:

Ladies.....

Posted by: josephistan at December 01, 2016 12:49 PM (7HtZB)

357 Pro Tip : You don't have to watch ALL the porn in HD.
Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:42 PM (MQZBa)

You shut your whore mouth.

Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at December 01, 2016 12:49 PM (mf5HN)

358 "One of the many lessons of the recent presidential election campaign and its repugnant outcome...."

Aaahhh.... "the repugnant outcome"???
Really, asshole?

Posted by: jb at December 01, 2016 12:49 PM (E8tD/)

359 The left, which we should really start calling what it is, marxism, can't abandon identity politics because it is at the core of the entire movement. The whole point was to be a party of minorities and their useful idiot white supporters. "

The odd thing is Marxism started out as a universalist creed, a perversion of Christianity. The motto was "Workers of the world, unite!" not "Gay, Female, Non-whites unite!"

I think that what happened, at least in the US, is that the "workers" proved to be a disappointment. In the '30's, intellectuals though the Tom Joads were going to rise up and revolt. In reality, their thought process was:

"The working class
can kiss my ass,
I've got the foreman's job
at last!"

Socialism of the "workers" variety was more successful in Europe because of the class barriers there. Here, where everyone aspires to be at least middle class, it doesn't work so well.

So they went with identity politics instead. I think old Commie Bernie Sanders recognizes that that is a dead end and wants to return to the old class-based Marxism.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 01, 2016 12:49 PM (u0lmX)

360 I guess now the left can never run a white male candidate for president ever again.

Posted by: brak

---

Shelia.

Jackson.

Lee.

THAT'S what I want! She'd be an AWESOME presidential candidate!

I can see her now: "I'm shutting down NASA, because as far as I know, we've already sent astronauts to Mars! So that's done!"

Posted by: RKae at December 01, 2016 12:49 PM (JTuAn)

361 As much as I want to believe it is people waking up, I really suspect it is the economy.
The Dem push to go further and further left threw some solid union supporters under the bus, which then backed up over them.
Plus in general, the economy has not been good and Hillary seemed to have been promising more of the same.
Shoter answer- it's the economy stupid.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at December 01, 2016 12:49 PM (m3iiU)

362 >>It's what the cultural marxists profess. Same identity politics bs. Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2016 12:47 PM (a3mAZ)

It's also what theists say when they want to oversimplify atheism for rhetorical effect, and it's as dumb in one context as it is in the other.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 12:50 PM (Bdeb0)

363 Serious You Guys!

We need the Hispanics. Without them, we'll never win another election.

Bonus : They are Natural Conservatives.
_______________________

Karl, it's not time yet for you to get up from your nap. Put down the whiteboard and go back to sleep on your mat.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 01, 2016 12:50 PM (rgZEV)

364 353 I was talking to my kids friends and they were gripping about life. I said, heck, you guys got it so good. I grew up poor, and my father was a penniless immigrant. You know what there response was?

"You are so lucky."

I was lucky to be poor. My father was lucky to get shot at by Nazis. Lucky.
Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (UgF8H)

Luxury! We were shot by Nazis & stabbed by Cossacks twice a day growing up. And we were thankful for it!

Posted by: The Yorkshiremen at December 01, 2016 12:50 PM (7HtZB)

365 Had Trump simply replicated Bush in 2004, he would have stomped Hillary
Clinton into the ground into something approaching a Reagan landslide.
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You identified the source of that slide: Over 16 years of the Republican Party doing absolutely NOTHING for that Reagan coalition.

They gave Trump--the Republican-- one more chance.

He delivers on just part of it and it'll be a landslide in 2020.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2016 12:50 PM (e2Rx3)

366 I don't doubt for a second the coming of leftist domestic terrorism, any more than I doubt Islamic domestic terrorism.

Posted by: USNtakim with a glorious beard at December 01, 2016 12:50 PM (hMqvx)

367 With what? Not icky guns.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 12:43 PM (SgI6S)

Sure. They figure with their superior intelligence, they'll become all-inclusive, super-diverse uber commandos.

....if they can survive the 80% casualty rates from accidental discharges and Darwinian episodes.

I found it on (D)U. It's a hoot.

Posted by: Deplorable 98ZJUSMC at December 01, 2016 12:50 PM (MHq1d)

368 Have I mansplained this too harshly?
Posted by: Ace at 11:30 AM

======================

I may be late, but no, not nearly hardly enough.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 01, 2016 12:51 PM (wkUSq)

369 I guess now the left can never run a white male candidate for president ever again.

It's funny cause it's true.

Posted by: eleven at December 01, 2016 12:51 PM (qUNWi)

370 "Next up: terrorist cells."

I already have several people on FB claiming they are "joining the resistance."

Enough people think in terms of war-metaphors, someone will act in those terms.
Posted by: Harun

Can we respond in those terms?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 12:51 PM (SgI6S)

371
It is quite the conundrum for the left in that they want white male votes, but every identity politics group lists white males as their enemy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 01, 2016 12:52 PM (ODxAs)

372 Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2016 12:50 PM (e2Rx3)

Perfectly said.

Posted by: DocJ at December 01, 2016 12:52 PM (NYS7S)

373 21 Would we call it sexism if we said something like "Women, by virtue of their gender, cannot help but make false claims of rape to elevate their social standing"?
Of course we would.
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If you said "encouraged and incentivized to" instead of "cannot help but" you'd have a very true statement.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2016 11:37 AM (0mRoj)
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No, you wouldn't.
To make the statement true, you would have to say "SOME women make false claims of rape to elevate their social standing."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 01, 2016 12:52 PM (Nox3c)

374
Orange is the new Black.

Posted by: DJT at December 01, 2016 12:52 PM (toH8T)

375 349 I guess now the left can never run a white heterosexual male candidate for president ever again.
Posted by: brak at December 01, 2016 12:46 PM (

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Just a small addendum, but, yes, you are correct. They've painted themselves into a corner.

Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2016 12:52 PM (Fmupd)

376 Some of the more special progs are wanting to start up their own militias!

Next up: terrorist cells.

You heard it here first.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:46 PM (SRKgf)

Uh, sure, buddy.

Posted by: Bill Ayers, Professor of Education what lives in Obama's old neighborhood at December 01, 2016 12:52 PM (3Liv/)

377 The prismatic hair on young women can be seen as fun or rebellious or whatever at least. But on a 50+ woman? wtf Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:37 PM (jkmtt)
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Just chuckle and ask 'Are You Being Served?' My kids used to place bets on the color of the old lady's hair each week.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2016 12:52 PM (MIKMs)

378 "Hillary Clinton was at her best and most uplifting when she spoke about American interests in world affairs and how they relate to our understanding of democracy."

WTF?

Intolerant or something of me, I'm sure, but that sentence marks the writer as an idiot unworthy of any further attention.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 01, 2016 12:53 PM (QDnY+)

379 353 I was talking to my kids friends and they were gripping about life. I said, heck, you guys got it so good. I grew up poor, and my father was a penniless immigrant. You know what there response was?

"You are so lucky."

I was lucky to be poor. My father was lucky to get shot at by Nazis. Lucky.
Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (UgF8H)

You know, in an odd way, I *sort of* get what those kids were griping about.

Sure, they are more affluent than you, but you had a culture and millieu of right and wrong, virtue and values, even when they were sometimes not honored in the breach.

The kids today? They honestly did not and do not.

Heck, the middle age Gen Xers of today, like me? We did not have that, for that matter.

Materially better off, but culturally/spriitually impoverished.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:53 PM (ujg0T)

380 I already have several people on FB claiming they are "joining the resistance."

Enough people think in terms of war-metaphors, someone will act in those terms.
Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (UBBWX)

But this kind of like how every single Frenchman was in the resistance after the war. I have a hard time believing they will actually match words to deeds. Deeds might hurt.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2016 12:53 PM (PsA/C)

381 >>You shut your whore mouth.

Some of those girls really need the 240p.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:53 PM (MQZBa)

382 Trailer for a movie involving an intentionally locked down corporate building whose employees are instructed to kill their coworkers...
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Hey, if R&D can hunt down the Marketing weasels, sign me up!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2016 12:53 PM (ZO497)

383 "You are so lucky."

I was lucky to be poor. My father was lucky to get shot at by Nazis. Lucky.

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (UgF8H)

*Points at your nic*

Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (CS7jF)

384 I think identity politics is a mutation of the political weapons that are political correctness and critical theory. They both started as tools for pushing cultural Marxism and globalism but have now essentially devoured their own movement.

Posted by: Drew in Mo at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (cGlgB)

385 This just in: "As the U.S. gets harder to reach, more Central Americans look to a Mexican dream"

"Six days after he was released in the Honduran capital of Tegucigalpa, Ferrera left for Tenosique. He didn’t feel safe in Honduras, but he also didn’t want to risk ending up in prison if he was caught illegally crossing the U.S. border. Immigrants who have been previously deported and are discovered again in the U.S. can be charged with a federal crime punishable by up to two years in prison — a sentence Trump has threatened to increase to five years once he is in the White House.

“Let’s wait and see whether Trump accomplishes his goals,” said Ferrera, as he unfolded a crinkled document that gives him the right to temporarily stay in Mexico while his request for a humanitarian visa is processed. “If I can’t be there, I’d rather be here.”

http://tinyurl.com/hvabuaq (LA Times)

Mrs.Guevara's reaction: "Go Trump! Let see how Mexico copes being on the other end of the deal."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (SRKgf)

386 What the Democrats have almost always stood for was faction.

You can read the Federalist Papers about the dangers of Faction.

Faction in American politics was what led to the Civil War, regardless of who you want to blame. I blame the 5000-10000 richest white slaveholders for talking the rest of the South for fighting for their interests. But political faction is what made the rest of the South think they were right. Irreconcilable interests. Except, they were eventually reconciled after hundreds of thousands of good men on each side died.

Faction was at the heart of the New Deal. We'll deal everyone in; there's pork and stuff for everyone, except of course, the Forgotten Man who worked to pay for it all.

Now, we have a relatively small faction of very wealthy people (the corporatists) talking up Faction for the sake of political power to enable the rest of their Agenda. BLM is financed by Democrat-Left activists, to create turmoil in American politics. So is Occupy Wall Street, International ANSWER, and on and on.
Behind all these idiotic political movements creating Faction are a relatively handful of very rich Americans (and others, like Soros) who wish to generate turmoil to aid in gaining political power, and attain THEIR desired goals.

The idiots in the street are just that; idiots, useful idiots, manipulated to be the shock troops of the Cultural Revolution in America.
Yes, for money and power, they so-called Democrats will double down on all this.
The dissenters will be shouted out and denounced, like the guy at Columbia that dared to write that essay.

To quote Charleton Heston from "Planet of the Apes": It's a madhouse!!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (RFeQD)

387 ShannonBream
01/12/16 12:56
2p @FoxNews - SenGraham reportedly rolling out bill to protect illegal immigrants who came to US as children. He joins us live.

But Pirate Grahamnesty to the rescue

Posted by: Evilpens at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (y3aQB)

388
Nah. The GOP was as largely blind to what was happening as most people. It's only become obvious more recently what has really been going on.

Some were squishes. Some were well meaning but deluded. I think many have woken up to what is going on. I think you are going to see a lot of the same people who acted RINOish move a lot more decisively to the right.

But politicians rarely lead movements in a democracy, they follow.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2016 12:25 PM (/tuJf)

Lindsey Graham is preparing legislation to protect Obama's DREAMers from mean old Trump. Looks like he's firmly planted.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (bMG0w)

389 Sure. They figure with their superior intelligence, they'll become all-inclusive, super-diverse uber commandos.

....if they can survive the 80% casualty rates from accidental discharges and Darwinian episodes.

Against rednecks who grew up making 400 yard shot on white tail deer?

Good luck.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (SgI6S)

390
"Next up: terrorist cells."

I already have several people on FB claiming they are "joining the resistance."

Enough people think in terms of war-metaphors, someone will act in those terms.

They will call themselves the TRUE patriots.
The new MinuteMen (MinutePersonsOfColor?)

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (IqV8l)

391 "Next up: terrorist cells."

I already have several people on FB claiming they are "joining the resistance."

Enough people think in terms of war-metaphors, someone will act in those terms.

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (UBBWX)

Is Olbermann still the leader of the resistance? Because the resistance will just involve a lot of rambling and shouting at clouds.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (493sH)

392 "At some point though, there simply won't be enough white votes anymore to offset this.

So will this stuff work for Democrats when whites are in the minority?

That's why you see articles celebrating the "browning" of America."

Yeah, that's not going to work. Way back when, Italians, and poles, and other dagos came to America and they all voted for leftists.

And then, in one or two generations, they stopped doing that. So it should repeat.

Besides, the lefties are often now including Asians with whites, which means they could easily flip as they become "opressors." And most Hispanics actually identify as whites, especially if as they get mixed up in the genetic blender that is America.

Also, if you slowed immigration for a while, you actually get more integration. (Ross Douthat's NYT piece on this was eye-opening.)

I would strongly suggest that we should avoid the assumption that all brown people will always be Democrats. (Democrats sell this line, let's not buy it.)

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (UBBWX)

393 "Losers of the world, unite!"

Its really not that far off.

Why learn a political philosophy of liberty and economic freedom, which implies hard work and responsibility?
Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:47 PM (UBBWX)

We're living in an Ayn Rand novel.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:55 PM (PRtT5)

394 Just chuckle and ask 'Are You Being Served?' My kids used to place bets on the color of the old lady's hair each week.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2016 12:52 PM (MIKMs)

I forgot about her...Mrs. Slocombe, right??

Now that was a woman who could pull it off, loved that character.

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 12:55 PM (jkmtt)

395 349 I guess now the left can never run a white heterosexual male candidate for president ever again.
Posted by: brak at December 01, 2016 12:46 PM (

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The activist left will refuse to back them. The activist leadership will refuse to back them.

It'll have to be some sort of revolt of the middle that will need to make it happen, if it were to happen. Assuming that the race were down to two people, the minority candidate being obviously terrible and the white candidate being obviously better suited for a general election campaign.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 01, 2016 12:55 PM (wkUSq)

396 Hillary Clinton was at her best and most uplifting when she spoke about American interests in world affairs and how they relate to our understanding of democracy.

Bwahahahahahahsaa!!!!
The only interest she was interested in was on the investments she made with the "donations" to the Foundation.
More like American interest for sale.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 01, 2016 12:55 PM (0tfLf)

397 Just chuckle and ask 'Are You Being Served?' My kids used to place bets on the color of the old lady's hair each week.
Posted by: mustbequantum
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Green? Blue?

British humor escapes me sometimes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2016 12:56 PM (ZO497)

398 354 Serious You Guys!

We need the Hispanics. Without them, we'll never win another election.

Bonus : They are Natural Conservatives.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (MQZBa)

Karl Rove, is that you?

Not only does the Rule Of Anyway apply here, but also this:

The SAME people who say we need to go wobbly for Hispandering reasons also want us to go wobbly for Teh Ghey reasons.

Never mind that the Latinos who are right leaning would find Teh Ghey pandering to be anathema.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:56 PM (ujg0T)

399 >>"You are so lucky."

What I wouldn't give to only have porn I found in the Forest!

Posted by: Today's Kids at December 01, 2016 12:56 PM (MQZBa)

400 391, Is Olbermann still the leader of the resistance?
Because the resistance will just involve a lot of rambling and shouting
at clouds.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (493sH)
And discussions of tactical strategies over peppermint lattes in Starbucks.

Posted by: IC at December 01, 2016 12:56 PM (a0IVu)

401 But this kind of like how every single Frenchman was in the resistance after the war.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2016 12:53 PM (PsA/C)

The French Resistance was pretty much the pre-war French Communist Party, to a very good approximation. Uncle Joe told them to shift from pacifism to fighting fascism on, oh, about June 22, 1941.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:56 PM (SRKgf)

402 ShannonBream
01/12/16 12:56
2p @FoxNews - SenGraham reportedly rolling out bill to protect illegal immigrants who came to US as children. He joins us live.

But Pirate Grahamnesty to the rescue

Posted by: Evilpens at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (y3aQB)

Of course he will. Leave it to the Vichy Republicans to continue to shoot the party in the foot every chance they get. Trump needs to invite Miss Lindsay to Trump Tower and explain things to her.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2016 12:56 PM (493sH)

403 It's also what theists say when they want to oversimplify atheism for rhetorical effect, and it's as dumb in one context as it is in the other.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 12:50 PM (Bdeb0)

Nope. The theist doesn't really care personally if you're an atheist. Any effort at all to discuss it is to help the atheist be happier, to have eternal life, not to benefit the theist. Personally, if you see yourself as a clump of future dirt, have at it. The atheist, on the other hand, is invariably smug, condescending, and projects sanctimonious (ironically) superiority because they want to be "lesser," existentially, than the theist. Insisting on an ontology of "I'm a sack of meat" as somehow intellectually superior is actually comical if it weren't for the rabidity of the oppression of alternative phenomenologies.

Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2016 12:57 PM (a3mAZ)

404 I already have several people on FB claiming they are "joining the resistance."

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (UBBWX)

With what weapons? All of the guns and gun owners are on *our* side!

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!! Idiots.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:57 PM (PRtT5)

405
To quote Charleton Heston from "Planet of the Apes": It's a madhouse!!
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America

Damn dirty apes!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2016 12:57 PM (IqV8l)

406 The biggest fault lines in American politics will be less and less over race and gender identities. "City v. Country" is the big one, and played a huge role in 2016. Trump did a little better than Romney with Blacks and Hispanics, even more so when you account for their reduced turnout. But the reason Trump won, even though he did less well with City Whites than Romney, was the big turnout he got from Country Whites.

I'd also add The Borg as a fault line -- an unholy alliance of BigGov, MSM and Academia, which is melding. Some members of BigBiz are already a part of the this, and are increasingly aligning with the Cultural Left. Many media outlets are owned companies already part of The Borg.

The Inner Sanctum of The Borg has money and power, but doesn't have voting numbers. Which is why it courts the minority vote. This can work in most major cities, but 2016 showed that it doesn't necessarily work for the entire nation.

Trump is re-branding the R party, which always had a clubbish classist tinge that limited its brand appeal, even to many Whites.

If Trump has an effective first term I can see lots more minorities and disaffected others in the D party switching sides. Because at the national level, the D Party is now about promoting the interests of The Borg above all else.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 01, 2016 12:58 PM (SIY7D)

407 Drudge headline misses a trick: "Politico: Republicans Will Take 3 Years To Kill Obamacare."

Surprised his editor didn't leave off the last word for a funny.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 12:58 PM (Bdeb0)

408 "Losers of the world, unite!"

It's really not that far off.

Why learn a political philosophy of liberty and economic freedom, which implies hard work and responsibility?

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:47 PM (UBBWX)

Particularly one that also engenders the possibility of abject failure unless one works hard enough.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 12:58 PM (SRKgf)

409 Why do you think so many white people scour their DNA so they can check a check box on an application form?

I've scoured my own hoping to find some native American DNA. I would love to own a casino.

Posted by: navybrat at December 01, 2016 12:59 PM (w7KSn)

410 >> I already have several people on FB claiming they are "joining the resistance."

Good luck digging trenches and building fortifications with an army of Pajama-Boys.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 12:59 PM (MQZBa)

411 Just chuckle and ask 'Are You Being Served?' My kids used to place bets on the color of the old lady's hair each week.
Posted by: mustbequantum
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Green? Blue?

British humor escapes me sometimes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,

Back when that show took place, I think it was to signal her ineptness at trying to color her hair than some kind of social statement.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 12:59 PM (SgI6S)

412 Oh to be able to get up in the morning and just start off writing like this so good.

Maybe someday.

Gonna have to pass this post around.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at December 01, 2016 12:59 PM (Jcg9Q)

413 Is this new resistance the people who duct tape their arms together and lay down in the street?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2016 12:59 PM (IqV8l)

414 Famous quotes by Mrs. Slocombe:

http://tinyurl.com/gvyooky

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (jkmtt)

415 297 ... MP4,

ABSOLUTELY F'ING CORRECT!! I see women, especially girls and young women, permanently defacing their bodies for a whim or for a passing fad and it sickens me. As a group, females are very aware (obsessed?) with fashion and body appearance. Why they would make such life long body alterations is a mystery beyond my understanding.

Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (V+03K)

416 Never mind that the Latinos who are right leaning would find Teh Ghey pandering to be anathema.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 12:56 PM (ujg0T)

I suspect that a female candidate also probably did not exert a siren call to Latin machismo.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (SRKgf)

417 "Losers of the world, unite!"
---------

"Loosers of the world untie!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (ZO497)

418 >>Nope. The theist doesn't really care personally if
you're an atheist. Any effort at all to discuss it is to help the
atheist be happier, to have eternal life, not to benefit the theist.
Personally, if you see yourself as a clump of future dirt, have at it.
The atheist, on the other hand, is invariably smug, condescending, and
projects sanctimonious (ironically) superiority because they want to be
"lesser," existentially, than the theist. Insisting on an ontology of
"I'm a sack of meat" as somehow intellectually superior is actually
comical if it weren't for the rabidity of the oppression of alternative
phenomenologies. Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2016 12:57 PM (a3mAZ)

OK, but none of this refutes my point. Anyway, it bores Zod. Let's talk about something important, like Kanye West or sea monkeys.

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (Bdeb0)

419 Just chuckle and ask 'Are You Being Served?' My kids used to place bets on the color of the old lady's hair each week.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2016 12:52 PM (MIKMs

In the first season of AYBS?, Mollie Sugden did actually dye her hair, but it proved to be too much of a pain, so she switched to outlandish wigs for the rest of the run.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (X6fMO)

420 Lindsey Graham is preparing legislation to protect Obama's DREAMers from mean old Trump. Looks like he's firmly planted.
Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (bMG0w)

I'm just going to put this here:

http://bit.ly/2gQcMho

Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (mf5HN)

421 It is. Some of the more special progs are wanting to start up their own militias!

With what? Not icky guns.

Posted by: rickb223
****

Rubber dildos will take the place of guns.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (+aCe4)

422 I think making it a crime to burn the flag is a bad idea; It just
encourages lunatics to do it and do more of it for the attention factor.

Agree, but I also believe that someone kicking you ass when you burn the flag as being "The right to debate!" and not assault. Since your political statement is so vile in my eyes, then I will respond with something you would conciser vile. Then in court ... Trial by combat. Cage Match...PPV?

Posted by: Paladin at December 01, 2016 01:01 PM (ycm4Q)

423 I already have several people on FB claiming they are "joining the resistance."

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:48 PM (UBBWX)

With what weapons? All of the guns and gun owners are on *our* side!

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!! Idiots.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 12:57 PM (PRtT5)

Yeah, I bet not many of those "super gun owners" are Leftys.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at December 01, 2016 01:01 PM (Jcg9Q)

424 Trailer for a movie involving an intentionally locked down corporate building whose employees are instructed to kill their coworkers...

-
I've seen ads for some movie about some chick politician who bravely stands up for gun control and against the NRA despite knowing it's political suicide. I predict box office suicide.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 01, 2016 01:01 PM (Nwg0u)

425 Why they would make such life long body alterations is a mystery beyond my understanding.
Posted by: JTB
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Hmm. Just going out on a limb here... maybe the decay of society?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2016 01:01 PM (ZO497)

426 ABSOLUTELY F'ING CORRECT!! I see women, especially girls and young women, permanently defacing their bodies for a whim or for a passing fad and it sickens me. As a group, females are very aware (obsessed?) with fashion and body appearance. Why they would make such life long body alterations is a mystery beyond my understanding.
Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (V+03K)

Lessee here ... you pay top dollar, and endure considerable discomfort to get a tattoo, and when they inevitably fall out of fashion, you again pay top dollar, and endure more discomfort, to get rid of the damned thing(s).

Sounds good. Where do I sign up?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:02 PM (SRKgf)

427 Well said, Ace!

Posted by: CanaDave at December 01, 2016 01:02 PM (Vqfqv)

428 Rubber dildos will take the place of guns.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (+aCe4)

So you've been in Austin I see.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at December 01, 2016 01:02 PM (Jcg9Q)

429 405
To quote Charleton Heston from "Planet of the Apes": It's a madhouse!!
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America

Damn dirty apes!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2016 12:57 PM (IqV8l)

------------------

I hate fucking apes.

Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (Fmupd)

430 Awesome, Ace. Now, let's talk about the idiotic terms "women's rights," "gay rights," "abortion rights." Pretty sure we all have the same rights, and I have no idea what gives all of these various groups of people (or murderers, ymmv) special rights. Or even what those special rights are.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (cm1Bl)

431 Hmm. Just going out on a limb here... maybe the decay of society?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2016 01:01 PM (ZO497)

Nah. Herd instinct, and social pressure.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (SRKgf)

432 I kinda want to send Rubber Dildos and Glitter to Standing Rock...

That's what the lefties sent the Oregon protesters.

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (UBBWX)

433 I hate fucking apes.
Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (Fmupd)

Probably should stop doing it, then.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (cm1Bl)

434 And about the European nationalism thing.

There was exactly one nationalism - German - that caused 100% of the misery of Europe in WWII.

And that was an insane, unprecedented and unique version, suffused with a bizarre ideology at the top.

The "nationalism" of the Allies and the resistance in the occupied countries destroyed the insane evil of that particular German nationalism.

Like so much else that cripples, impoverishes, and enslaves the world today, Europe's delusion about nationalism rests above all on ..... stupidity, and ignorance.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (QDnY+)

435 "Identity politics is the whole of leftism now. They have nothing else."

Well, no. There's the ever-present siren song of Free Shit.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 01, 2016 01:04 PM (noWW6)

436 >>Then in court ... Trial by combat. Cage Match...PPV? Posted by: Paladin at December 01, 2016 01:01 PM (ycm4Q)

I like it. Get this over to Marketing. I'm thinking something like, I don't know, "Scars and Stripes!", something snappy. Chainsaws. Swedish bikini team. Overpriced beer, pr0n sponsorships, theatre-in-the-round...

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 01:04 PM (Bdeb0)

437 >> Well said, Ace!

Personally, I think he could have fleshed it out a little more.

Maybe stretched it into two parts, or even a series?

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 01:04 PM (MQZBa)

438 420 Lindsey Graham is preparing legislation to protect Obama's DREAMers from mean old Trump. Looks like he's firmly planted.
Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (bMG0w)

I'm just going to put this here:

http://bit.ly/2gQcMho
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (mf5HN)

Maybe we should send Pansy Grahamnesty prostate massagers in the mail.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 01:04 PM (ujg0T)

439 Hmm. Just going out on a limb here... maybe the decay of society?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2016 01:01 PM (ZO497)

Nah. Herd instinct, and social pressure.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (SRKgf)

They all do the same thing and adopt the same look to look different and express their individuality.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2016 01:04 PM (493sH)

440 I hate fucking apes.

Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (Fmupd)

Why? Dead lay?

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at December 01, 2016 01:04 PM (Jcg9Q)

441 If Trump has an effective first term I can see lots more minorities and disaffected others in the D party switching sides. Because at the national level, the D Party is now about promoting the interests of The Borg above all else.

Pretty smart for an Ignoramus.

Posted by: eleven at December 01, 2016 01:04 PM (qUNWi)

442 Famous quotes by Mrs. Slocombe:

http://tinyurl.com/gvyooky

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (jkmtt)
=====

And let's not forget all her conversations about her 'pussy'.

Everything old is new again.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2016 01:05 PM (MIKMs)

443 The Inner Sanctum of The Borg has money and power

Then you get the women!

*snorts rail*

Posted by: Locutus at December 01, 2016 01:05 PM (87y4e)

444 Hmm. Just going out on a limb here... maybe the decay of society?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2016 01:01 PM (ZO497)

Nah. Herd instinct, and social pressure.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
--------------------

They are are not contradictory. The latter leads to the former.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2016 01:05 PM (ZO497)

445 Yeah, that's not going to work. Way back when, Italians, and poles, and other dagos came to America and they all voted for leftists.

And then, in one or two generations, they stopped doing that. So it should repeat.

Besides, the lefties are often now including Asians with whites, which means they could easily flip as they become "opressors." And most Hispanics actually identify as whites, especially if as they get mixed up in the genetic blender that is America.

Also, if you slowed immigration for a while, you actually get more integration. (Ross Douthat's NYT piece on this was eye-opening.)

I would strongly suggest that we should avoid the assumption that all brown people will always be Democrats. (Democrats sell this line, let's not buy it.)

Posted by: Harun at December 01, 2016 12:54 PM (UBBWX)

Wasn't Trump's share of the Hispanic vote something like 30%?

It would be interesting to know the breakdown there. I would wager that Hispanics who are second and third generation and those who jumped through hoops to come here legally make up the lions share of Hispanic GOP voters (and, in Florida, the Cubans).

My guess is that the Dems figure that even if Hispanics start to vote GOP after a generation or two, if you keep the spigot flowing, the new people will continue to outnumber them.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 01, 2016 01:05 PM (u0lmX)

446 422 I think making it a crime to burn the flag is a bad idea; It just
encourages lunatics to do it and do more of it for the attention factor.

Agree, but I also believe that someone kicking you ass when you burn the flag as being "The right to debate!" and not assault. Since your political statement is so vile in my eyes, then I will respond with something you would conciser vile. Then in court ... Trial by combat. Cage Match...PPV?
Posted by: Paladin at December 01, 2016 01:01 PM (ycm4Q)

But a message has come from the top that those who do it and get their asses kicked will not get any sympathy, whereas the ass kickers will be looked on as at worse over-enthusiastic, but with their hearts in the right place.

That's an important message to send.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:05 PM (SRKgf)

447 I kinda want to send Rubber Dildos and Glitter to Standing Rock...

That's what the lefties sent the Oregon protesters.

That'll go over real well in winter. Just what they need!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 01:06 PM (SgI6S)

448 >>Rubber dildos will take the place of guns.

Rifled.
With ballistic tips.
For her pleasure.

Or, His.

We at Nosler Rubber Dildo Division don't judge.

Posted by: Nosler Rubber Dildo Division at December 01, 2016 01:06 PM (MQZBa)

449 They all do the same thing and adopt the same look to look different and express their individuality.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2016 01:04 PM (493sH)

They all do the same thing to prove they're non-conformists!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:07 PM (SRKgf)

450 Alex Isenstadt
@politicoalex
NEWS: CHRISTIE reached out to Trump team this am and said he was interested in RNC chairmanship

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Evilpens at December 01, 2016 01:07 PM (y3aQB)

451 I love Brit humor and I can't stand "Are you being served?"

Monty Python, Ab Fab, and "Keeping Up Appearances" were my favorite Brit comedies.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 01, 2016 01:07 PM (u0lmX)

452 Rifled.
With ballistic tips.
For her pleasure.

Or, His.

We at Nosler Rubber Dildo Division don't judge.

My time has finally come!

Posted by: Peak Dildo at December 01, 2016 01:07 PM (87y4e)

453 Why they would make such life long body alterations is a mystery beyond my understanding.

Posted by: JTB

To shock and piss-off Daddy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2016 01:08 PM (zc3Db)

454 I know that Ace and some COB's get pissed at me for saying this but I know this to be true.

The Left/Cultural Marxists end game is A Turner Diaries scenario.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist

They have a different ending in mind, of course.

=========
I used to say:

"The leftists won't like this new paradise they think they are building at all. And they'll still be blaming people like me and you as they're being lined up against the wall."

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2016 01:08 PM (e2Rx3)

455 Fuck yeah Ace

Posted by: Random Joe at December 01, 2016 01:09 PM (vhbai)

456 I'm as white as a polar bear in a snowstorm but I don't necessarily want more white people. What I want is more people who identify with what is commonly considered white people values. Two of my nephews have a black father. What I want is for them to have the right values, to value patriotism, hard work, family, and self-reliance. This is something we should push for.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at December 01, 2016 01:09 PM (RD7QR)

457
"So: Can the left jettison identity politics?

I don't think so. Identity politics is the whole of leftism now. They
have nothing else. They have no other brand, except for this."

I was thinking about this, this morning. The left is going to have to find their own Trump that is going to have to grab them by the ____ and drag them kicking and screaming back to the middle, before they become a force to be reckoned with.

As with the GOP, the left's dolts have no creativity, no initiative, and no where to go but back to the same money people that drove them there in the first place.

If you would have told the GOP two years ago that they could have run a guy on border security, repealing Obamacare, and jobs, while smacking down the media, the left, and their identity politics BS, and that they could not only take the White House, but keep the Senate and the House, against Hillary, you would have been laughed out of the room. And yet, here we are, feasting on liberal tears.

Who is the left's Trump?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 01, 2016 01:09 PM (GX63o)

458 >>NEWS: CHRISTIE reached out to Trump team this am and said he was interested in RNC chairmanship

Because, he thinks it is Cream Filled. Like a Boston Cream Donut.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2016 01:09 PM (MQZBa)

459 There was exactly one nationalism - German - that caused 100% of the misery of Europe in WWII.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (QDnY+)

I think arguably French nationalism (who do you say "chauvinism" in French? /kidding) laid the foundation for WWII through the harshly punitive Treaty of Versailles. Let's face it, nobody is more nationalistic than the French. It's just that they're too weak and disorganized to act upon it effectively.

The largest in Europe in 1939? The French Army.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:10 PM (SRKgf)

460 My time has finally come!
Posted by: Peak Dildo
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Yup.

Posted by: Big Dildo at December 01, 2016 01:10 PM (ZO497)

461 Some of the more special progs are wanting to start up their own militias!
With what? Not icky guns.
Posted by: rickb223
****
Rubber dildos will take the place of guns.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (+aCe4)

And their secret weapon: snarky, cutting Twitter hashtags. We'll be running for the tall grass within a fortnight.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 01:10 PM (PRtT5)

462 Who is the left's Trump?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 01, 2016 01:09 PM (GX63o)

Good question. Probably too early to discern that; the left's Trump will arise in reaction to the real Trump, and what he does.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:11 PM (SRKgf)

463 Why they would make such life long body alterations is a mystery beyond my understanding.

Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2016 01:00 PM (V+03K)

Two words: daddy issues.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 01:11 PM (PRtT5)

464 Fabulous new microagressions going on in the new thread

Nood

Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 01, 2016 01:12 PM (hk1x8)

465 And their secret weapon: snarky, cutting Twitter hashtags. We'll be running for the tall grass within a fortnight.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 01, 2016 01:10 PM (PRtT5)

Channeling Yamamoto: "Behind every blade of grass there will be a malodorous transgender pervert with a Twitter account."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:12 PM (SRKgf)

466
how the hell does lindsey graham keep getting elected?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 01, 2016 01:12 PM (ODxAs)

467 I'm as white as a polar bear in a snowstorm but I don't necessarily want more white people. What I want is more people who identify with what is commonly considered white people values. Two of my nephews have a black father. What I want is for them to have the right values, to value patriotism, hard work, family, and self-reliance. This is something we should push for.
Posted by: joncelli

Amen. +1000

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2016 01:13 PM (SgI6S)

468 "Way back when, Italians, and poles, and other dagos came to America and they all voted for leftists. And then, in one or two generations, they stopped doing that. So it should repeat."

What's that old hastily whispered disclaimer at the end of the ad? Oh, yes, of course, this:

"Past performance is no guarantee of future results."

As for why it won't repeat nowadays, the consistently incisive Heather MacDonald wrote a piece for _City Journal_ a few years back about how fast Hispanics get sucked into Uncle Sugar's cushy welfare state, and thereafter remain.

She also neatly put paid to that "natural conservatives" bunk which has been peddled to us by the GOP establishment for the last forty years.

http://tinyurl.com/j7eacdx

Posted by: torquewrench at December 01, 2016 01:13 PM (noWW6)

469 is there a Cliff's notes version of this poast?

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 01, 2016 01:14 PM (84In0)

470 Have I mansplained this too harshly?

Iiiiii like it.

Posted by: gapoz at December 01, 2016 01:14 PM (thyJJ)

471 Seriously, unless Trump utterly implodes I have a hard time believing the Democrats come back from this.

Posted by: DocJ

The Left said the exact same thing in reverse in 2008.

Nothing is permanent, politics even less so
=======
They would have been right in 2008 if ANY of Obama's policies would have worked.

We were shouting they wouldn't. But we were honest enough to be willing to admit we were wrong.

They didn't work--just like we said they wouldn't.

The policies Trump will pursue?

They have a track record of working and working well.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2016 01:14 PM (e2Rx3)

472 Bravo, Ace. Another slam dunk in a string of countless slam dunks. Unfortunately, it seems that identity politics of the left, and all the poison it brings to a society, is here to stay and only growing more loud, unreasonable, crazed and yes, violent. There's no doubt a lot of white people were and are sick and tired of being ridiculed, name-called, denigrated, sh*t on and generally beaten down by these out-of-control SJWs. Hence, President Trump. But the left is just getting more deranged with their hate whitey crap.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at December 01, 2016 01:15 PM (+FSld)

473 >>Good question. Probably too early to discern that; the left's Trump will arise in reaction to the real Trump, and what he does. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2016 01:11 PM (SRKgf)

It is a good question. It's easy to think of the Left's "firebrands," (because emoting like children comes naturally) and that actually seems to make sorting them more difficult. I was thinking Liawatha, but she's establishment in spite of herself; Dean, but he's...something. Bezos? I think Gary Hart saw himself as the Dem's Trump back in the day...

Posted by: General Zod at December 01, 2016 01:16 PM (Bdeb0)

474 I'm usually in agreement with most posts here as I am of like mind in many areas. However this is possibly the most agreeable since I have fist visited a couple years ago. I have shared many of the same thoughts with others on this very subject. I will say that while in agreement I was able to expand on my previous thoughts by reading it. Thank you

Posted by: Inogame at December 01, 2016 01:16 PM (ySZHT)

475 468 "Way back when, Italians, and poles, and other dagos came to America and they all voted for leftists. And then, in one or two generations, they stopped doing that. So it should repeat."

What's that old hastily whispered disclaimer at the end of the ad? Oh, yes, of course, this:

"Past performance is no guarantee of future results."

As for why it won't repeat nowadays, the consistently incisive Heather MacDonald wrote a piece for _City Journal_ a few years back about how fast Hispanics get sucked into Uncle Sugar's cushy welfare state, and thereafter remain.

She also neatly put paid to that "natural conservatives" bunk which has been peddled to us by the GOP establishment for the last forty years.

http://tinyurl.com/j7eacdx
Posted by: torquewrench at December 01, 2016 01:13 PM (noWW6)

But there is one thing those "Wops" of yore had that we do not, and probably need:

An effective moratorium on immigration for a while.

From 1921 to 1965 we had it. We still had immigrants, but in small numbers and offset by actual outflows of people, particularly in the 1930s.

And assimilation and unity, spurred on by a World War against a common enemy, helped. (Well, maybe not for Japanese Americans, but otherwise...)

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2016 01:17 PM (ujg0T)

476 One of my favorite posts of all time Ace. Well done. You've put into words exactly what my brain was trying to put into words and couldn't. Thank you.

Posted by: Jason at December 01, 2016 01:19 PM (uYpPl)

477 469 is there a Cliff's notes version of this poast?

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 01, 2016 01:14 PM (84In0)

Next to your spell check

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2016 01:21 PM (bMG0w)

478 Heh....You should go on tumblr. Lots of us know it, but there are still people who use "white " as a slur. Sometimes we point out their ignorance (in the real sense of the word); sometimes we just laugh and scroll on.

Posted by: SouthParkConservative at December 01, 2016 01:23 PM (pw69d)

479 ACE:

Really good article. You nailed it. I hope this gets picked up at RCP and other aggregators.

Well played sir.

Posted by: Sweenicus at December 01, 2016 01:27 PM (7vTEZ)

480 No amount of mansplaining is too much or too harsh. The proper response of one who has been the recipient of harsh mansplaining is to make a sammich for the mansplainer, and seek further insight from him.

Posted by: VA MKZ at December 01, 2016 01:30 PM (htupJ)

481 Dems were getting elected on lies that hid their globalist "Marxism"
Repubs elected on lies covering their globalist corporatism

Now a business guy that really wants government that works for the people, the puts America first. There is some great potential, especially with a lot of prosecution and early retirement packages. But they left a real mess, that Obama made twice as bad as what Bush left.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 01, 2016 01:33 PM (pS/eA)

482 (MinutePersonsOfColor?)

I see you are excluding the MinutePerDaughters you sexist.

Posted by: An Observation at December 01, 2016 01:37 PM (4HS8l)

483 Well said, Ace. Thank you for writing it.

If I may add my $0.02 worth ...

Abraham Lincoln said to the Democrats of his day, "As I would not be a slave, so would I not be a master."

I say to the Democrats of our day, "As I would not be a master, so would I not be a slave."

Posted by: Brown Line at December 01, 2016 01:38 PM (xgyfF)

484 We recently had to attend an adoption conference, and attended a workshop on trans-racial adoption. You'd think it'd be for dealing with different types of hair, or why mommy & daddy look different than junior.
Nope.
It was about how racist white people were. How we shouldn't strive for a "color blind" society, but rather a "color conscious" society. You see, judging people by the content of the character and not the color of their skin is racist! And being lectured by a twenty-something Amy Schumer clone about the evils of white privilege was just the icing on the cake!

Posted by: Iblis at December 01, 2016 01:47 PM (9221z)

485 Brilliant Ace.

I'd add a bit. These creaming SJW harpies are deeply insecure and they have a strong psychological need to blame their own failures - or assuage their own race/class/whatever guilt - on something and thus we have the perpetual victimhood mentality.

Posted by: gwelf at December 01, 2016 01:48 PM (3CRoX)

486 "Have I mansplained this too harshly?" Depends on who you ask. I would say "NO!" You have actually done all us ordinary, non-SJW Americans a great favor. Thanks.

Posted by: BJ54 at December 01, 2016 01:55 PM (Bed/U)

487 Good lord man, I never realized that as a 59 year old male that has always been white (sometimes EXTREMELY white) I am the epitome of the miserable cretinous and privileged beast all the good people rail against these days. The shame, it is overwhelming. Is there a penance I can give? Prayers or good deeds I can commit? Or must I simply remove myself from this good earth?

Posted by: steve walsh at December 01, 2016 01:57 PM (fFfzk)

488 As some on this blog will recognize, I have long awaited the War of the Fellow Travelers. Orlando was the first of what will become many such incidents. I thought it would come full-force after the revolution had finally succeeded, but now that the triumph of the Left has at least been postponed, there is another possibility.

What has been holding the absurd Democratic coalition together is mutual recognition of grievances vis-a-vis the oppressors (and mutual support for each other's rent-seeking behavior through fleecing said oppressors, who pay most of the taxes). That is, BLM supports the Palestinian intifada, and BDS supports anti-police demonstrations. It was never stable for the gheys and the sharia supporters to be under the same banner, nor the Jews and any number of anti-Semitic ideologies. African-Americans are hurt more by unrestricted illegal immigration than anyone else, yet their leadership in Congress is devotedly open borders, while the Hispanic leadership in Congress supports all the Great Society rograms. But the glue in the coalition was power. Now that power has utterly slipped out of their grasp, at least for the time being, there is nothing that keeps diametric opposites together.

Well, almost nothing. They still have hatred of the whites. That is the only card Democratic leadership can play for the next few years. Look for the ads with Paul Ryan pushing Grandma off a cliff to come back, as they try to peel off some senior citizens, but the party will increasingly be defined as the anti-white coalition. It's their entire agenda.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 01, 2016 02:08 PM (jK8Z7)

489 "Fuck yourself in the heart with a knife"

Ha ha ha ha ha! I'll be screaming that out my car window on the freeway one of these mornings.

Posted by: kathyssaysso at December 01, 2016 02:10 PM (43OZ6)

490
Trump did some mansplaining to the whole country last month!

Posted by: ArthurK at December 01, 2016 02:12 PM (h53OH)

491 Here is K Franke's "sfwsplaining" bio

http://web.law.columbia.edu/faculty/katherine-franke

Posted by: lando's bfg at December 01, 2016 02:17 PM (oga8p)

492 "The Paolo, he already has.
Posted by: Paolo Suave"

Pfffft. What a silly name.

Posted by: Paulie Smoove, pimp rollin'... at December 01, 2016 02:21 PM (kVX3W)

493 Hillary Clinton was at her best and most uplifting when she spoke about American interests in world affairs and how they relate to our understanding of democracy. But when it came to life at home, she tended on the campaign trail to lose that large vision and slip into the rhetoric of diversity, calling out explicitly to African-American, Latino, L.G.B.T. and women voters at every stop. This was a strategic mistake.
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Oh, it may be liberal to talk about big themes, but she's also a member of the Pandercrat party. The Pandercrats have had a century of success posing as "fighters" against the Evil Big *.

Which is why I don't want Trump to become simply the Pandercrat, who simply still dares to pander to whites (which is not what I feel he did, but the traces are there). A century and a half of pandering to "downtrodden" whites as an infringed, victim group is exactly what got us into the mess "how you got Trump".

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2016 02:21 PM (2mC6G)

494 Beautifully stated Ace. Thanks. I forwarded your final declaration to a few people because that is EXACTLY how I feel about it also.

Posted by: Pamazon at December 01, 2016 02:23 PM (NNdb5)

495 So: Can the left jettison identity politics?

I don't think so. Identity politics is the whole of leftism now. They have nothing else. They have no other brand, except for this.
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No. Identity politics are simple. The left can't handle anything more than simple.

Look at the left's "Story of the Fall of Man". A man picks up an apple that he really, really wants to eat and thinks "This is mine" Ah! That's it he's stolen from the collective!! Property is THEFT!!

Compare this to Locke's almost Communitarian exceptions for "sweat equity", where he considers that perhaps sweat does not buy so much you waste it, or destroy it, or so much that nobody else can have some. (Oh Yes, Locke does!) The equity part of "sweat equity" is only one part of the larger equity of man's inevitable "sharing" of an environment.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2016 02:29 PM (2mC6G)

496 Finally! The necessary willingness to reject leftist imposed guilt: that is the best way to get some of the moral playing field back. Along with economic boycotts of leftist toadying companies (Kellog, currently, but also ESPN). Not- I shouldn't have to point out, race-elevating in response, but simply rejection of the idea that white is any worse than any other group.

Posted by: TomS. at December 01, 2016 02:29 PM (9/QQm)

497 "Along with economic boycotts of leftist toadying companies (Kellog, currently, but also ESPN)."

What did Kellog do? Not that I'm surprised they did something, but i don't remember anything in particular (just like Hillary scandals and abuses of power by the bureaucratic shadow government, the sheer volume make it all blend together).

Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 01, 2016 02:37 PM (egK2C)

498 Also, we can see the roots of identity politics in William Jennings Bryan's "Cross of God" speech (and also the penumbrae of zero-tolerance mentality) when Bryan says that not switching to a currency backed on silver was not simply not switching off the gold standard--NO.

He said: "You shall not crucify mankind upon a CROSS OF GOLD!"

See it's all there: The hysterics, the victimization, the identification with "the little man", the macro-aggression of not agreeing with me on policy. It's ALL there. There was no Hitler in the 19th century, so the Romans would have to do.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2016 02:38 PM (2mC6G)

499 "Fuck yourself in the heart with a knife"

Ha ha ha ha ha! I'll be screaming that out my car window on the freeway one of these mornings.
Posted by: kathyssaysso at December 01, 2016 02:10 PM (43OZ6)

Someone who is tech-savvy should really try and make that (and the entire last paragraph) into a meme.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 01, 2016 02:40 PM (egK2C)

500 The only way we will solve this problem is if we go into the Halls of Academia and clean house and drive them from their positions of power and influence. We must start at the collage level at first so as to make it easier at the lower levels such as the High School and Elementary levels.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at December 01, 2016 02:42 PM (JaJ3u)

501 "Along with economic boycotts of leftist toadying companies (Kellog, currently, but also ESPN)."

What did Kellog do? Not that I'm surprised they did something, but i don't remember anything in particular (just like Hillary scandals and abuses of power by the bureaucratic shadow government, the sheer volume make it all blend together).
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 01, 2016 02:37 PM (egK2C)

Never mind, I just read about it in the earlier post.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 01, 2016 02:46 PM (egK2C)

502 Ace, converging with the alt right at the speed of light. It was going to be hard for you to resist the call when you started lifting, but once you went low carb high fat your fate was sealed.

Posted by: DFCtomm at December 01, 2016 02:55 PM (r+PJJ)

503 491
Here is K Franke's "sfwsplaining" bio

http://web.law.columbia.edu/faculty/katherine-franke

Posted by: lando's bfg at December 01, 2016 02:17 PM (oga8p)

I call bullshit on "her" choice of pronouns.

Posted by: DFCtomm at December 01, 2016 03:00 PM (r+PJJ)

504 If only there were some final solution to all this ingrained-white racism....

Hmmmm... I'll go google "final solution"...

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2016 03:06 PM (2mC6G)

505 I would just point out that whenever there is a major Supremacy movement, like Eugenics or such, it always comes from the halls of academia. It's the wise and intelligent thinkers i.e. the elite towering above us or "our betters", that come up with this crap. It is, and always will be, an intellectual justification for culling the herd. It gets blamed on the lower classes because the intelligentsia won't do the dirty work. They do it by using their lessers and escape responsibility when it all goes south.

Posted by: lordoftheSmith at December 01, 2016 03:08 PM (1nAjA)

506 The big problem I see with identity politics is that it has no end game, no long-term resolution of the issues it raises except for internecine identity warfare. It's successful as a short-term path to power, and there's strong evidence that that's all the Democrats care about these days.

Posted by: Socratease at December 01, 2016 03:16 PM (FqHs5)

507 I dunno about "stabbed them in the back". I prefer to think of them as being stabbed a bit lower. Maybe with a pitchfork--repeatedly.

Posted by: Skeptical Voter at December 01, 2016 03:22 PM (Sda6L)

508 I am not impressed.....he lost me after he said ". . . One of the many lessons of the recent presidential election campaign and its repugnant outcome. . .

when it comes to liberals and SJWs in particular . . . rehabilitation is not possible.

LET'S JUST WORK ON MAKING AMERICA GREAT (PLEASE)!

Posted by: Myshiba at December 01, 2016 03:22 PM (cfHE9)

509 Another thing the left is trying to do is place all the blame for racial discord on to whites in general instead of on to Democrats where it belongs.
Whites didn't go to war to keep slaves in this country - Democrats did.
Whites didn't lead Indians down the Trail of Tear -- Democrats did.
Whites didn't found the KKK -- Democrats did
Whites didn't put Japanese Americans in camps during WW2 -- Democrats did.
Whites didn't vote against both Civil Rights Acts -- Democrats did.

For far too long those of us on the right have allowed the left to get away with this substitution and it's time we loudly start to correct the record.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at December 01, 2016 03:25 PM (qjwfm)

510 The SJW's are at war with individual liberty. To them individual liberty = white, Christian, straight male.

Posted by: The Ugly American at December 01, 2016 06:35 PM (bSxRn)

511 My grandparents and great grandparents and on and on were Democrats. They were hardly "Leftists". A good argument can be made that it was the Puritans of New England who were the fore bearers of the modern SJW and Left.

Posted by: The Ugly American at December 01, 2016 06:41 PM (bSxRn)

512 Love the line about not deferring, as that really captures what this is about. They want to impose their view on everyone, not just have the freedom to have and practice it, which most people in this country agree with. That's never enough. Most folks on this blog probably don't give a shit who you want to marry. But FU if you think it's okay to force someone else to bake your damn wedding cake. And it's not because I personally object to your wedding. I don't. It's because I believe in freedom, and you do not. And if you want to take away freedom, the Right in this country will not sit back and take it like they did in Europe.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at December 01, 2016 07:35 PM (h+Yef)

513 I was going to say something about this piece, but Ace said it all, so I am cool with it.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 01, 2016 08:01 PM (ry4ab)

514 Bang f'ing on, Ace!!!!!!!!! We are done, done, DONE with this shite!!

Posted by: Khiri at December 01, 2016 08:17 PM (N9ZZ/)

515 How'd that Red Pill taste going down, Ace?

It's a wonderful thing to see you finally coming around.

Good to have you on the barricades, sir.

Posted by: Not A Republican Anymore, but Damned Sure Not a Democrate Either at December 01, 2016 10:03 PM (luu01)

516 " Identity politics is the whole of leftism now. They have nothing else."

I'm not sure that's true. While what you say about "diversity" is true enough, they still have socialism, and it seems to be making a comeback.

While it's hard to make predictions, especially about the future, I think there's a good chance that today's multiculti bullshit will someday be seen as just a vessel, keeping the left afloat, until they could wait out the period when socialism seemed discredited. That seems to have worked. Bernie may be the model for their future.

Posted by: S Holmes at December 02, 2016 09:47 AM (+TcCF)

517 "Ah, I see. We're now just using "White" as a general derogatory term." I go away for a couple of months, and it looks like Ace might finally be getting the picture.

Posted by: gp at December 02, 2016 05:43 PM (mk9aG)

518
There was exactly one nationalism - German - that caused 100% of the misery of Europe in WWII.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 01, 2016 01:03 PM (QDnY+)

It wasn't nationalism that caused the misery, it was socialism. [National Socialist German Workers Party] Next you'll be saying the Nazi's were 'right-wing' ... and if you do I'll admit that your technically correct...they were just barely to the right of Soviet Socialists

Posted by: TJ Madison at December 03, 2016 03:49 PM (Irby8)

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